Hash Drying Techniques, Whiting Out and Legends Cup Amsterdam

0:02SpeakerWelcome to Hash Church, everybody. I'm Bubble Man, and wow, I'm barely awake. Sorry for being so late, guys. I flew home from Amsterdam just yesterday. Got home quite late at night as my plane was a little bit delayed from Toronto. But other than having a little bit of a cold, a little bit of bags under my eyes, Life is good. I'm about to set up my D-nail here because I didn't even have time to do that yet.

0:28SpeakerAnd so far, all I've done really is I've sent off the link to Mr. Jibbs from The Melts representing.

0:37Georgia StomanovWelcome to Hash Church, everybody. I'm Bubble Man. Oh, wow.

0:39SpeakerYou better turn that off. I'm barely awake. Sorry for being... I always do that every year. Hey, welcome, Georgia Stomanov and Trey Hensley and the Ganja Geeks and Jaskaran Ray. I hope I'm pronouncing all these names correctly. It's wonderful to see you all. And it's wonderful to have you here in Hash Church. I guess I'll probably go over a little bit of what, you know, how the cup was and how the Ganja Conference was in Jamaica.

1:09SpeakerI'll probably invite a few folks in from the trip, Dane from River Rock TV and Cannabis Review TV, Jibs John Burry from The Melts, probably invite in Horatio and Johnny B, although Johnny B is still in Amsterdam, so I'm not sure. Which exact, you know, it could be late at night for John. I'm not sure if he even brought his computer. But that's okay. We've got a small amount of viewers, which isn't so bad.

1:35SpeakerI did really just put this one up. I didn't really organize this hash church very well. I was going to wake up this morning at 7 a.m. and come down and deal with this. How you doing, buddy?

1:52SpeakerWelcome, welcome. Mute that shit.

1:55Georgia StomanovOne breakfast. Scramble with toast.

1:59SpeakerTake downs, never ending gas tax. Sorry, hold on. That's okay. How was your trip back, Dave?

2:08Georgia StomanovThere we go. Say again, I couldn't hear you. I had my computer muted while I was getting rid of the background audio.

2:15SpeakerI was saying that welcome, welcome. It was good to have that trip with you in Amsterdam. I'm sure you're happy to be home now.

2:22Georgia StomanovYes, yes, I'm relaxing now at my mountain spot.

2:28SpeakerWhen I saw your pictures, that was before I got home, but it was exactly what I was thinking to myself. I'm always so happy to come back to B.C. and just, you know, right now we actually have snow all over my deck.

2:42Georgia StomanovOh, wow.

2:43SpeakerCheck this shit out.

2:46Georgia StomanovNice. It's a beautiful spot.

2:50SpeakerLittle winter wonderland, you know?

2:52Georgia StomanovYeah.

2:54SpeakerIt's awesome.

2:57Georgia StomanovIt's awesome. Some amazing views, man.

3:00SpeakerSo I just kind of whimmed it today. I didn't really have this set up. We've only got 26 viewers right now, which is a lot less than we normally have, but we welcome all of you. In chat we have Big John Glass, Shiny Mac, Todd Berner, Permanently High, Daniel the Dank, 46Fi, CTL Lupo, Rich Basit, and George Stolmanoff. Thanks, guys. George is actually from Pleven, Bulgaria. How cool is that?

3:27SpeakerBulgaria's in the house. And we've got Seattle in the house. We've got Central.

3:30Georgia StomanovWe've got a CTO.

3:32SpeakerWhat's that?

3:33Georgia StomanovNothing. I was just chatting.

3:36SpeakerRight on. So I think I'm going to hook up the D-Nail, bro. Is it? It hasn't been long since you were puffing out of this, has it? No.

3:45Georgia StomanovNo, it hasn't.

3:48SpeakerWe sure puffed tough, didn't we?

3:50Georgia StomanovOh, yeah, definitely.

3:56Georgia StomanovIt was amazing. We were at the cafe at the high noon, or now it's just known as the noon, and they had some locals there, and Giddyup had his live resin, and there was this one local, I think he was a rapper, I forget his name, but he would go in there, and he's like, I want to go to NASCAR, NASCAR, and he would just dab it, and they would just get up and run around the cafe and stuff.

4:16Georgia StomanovIt was amazing to see everyone's face and their reaction to some of the high quality products that we were bringing to the scene for them.

4:24SpeakerI really enjoyed the noon. I only ended up there one day. That was from Soma's house. We were on our way to Soma's house, I believe, and we ended up stopping at the noon for a little while. That was pretty cool. We put the denail down. Those guys literally would drop everything the minute we walked in. They were great guys. I'll definitely head back to the noon and spend some time there.

4:47Georgia StomanovI really enjoyed hanging out with the OCD genetics crew. City Labs, Ramon, Rich, and True from True Genetics. Man, they had some high, high quality product. I was really impressed with it. They ended up winning Dabadoo, Legends of Hash, and Cameras Cup various places, so.

5:08SpeakerYeah, they killed it. It was amazing to see them do so well. They were having a rough week, and from a rough week, they were the phoenix that rose from the ashes. I'm certain they had problems with one of their crops. I think it was last, last, last minute that they had lost a perfect crop and then had to start over, and so even the things that they were bringing forward weren't what they would consider the best of the best of the best, and they still won first place at Legends of Hash.

5:36SpeakerYeah. They won. I believe first place for solvent and third place at Dabadoo. And then I also saw them going up to the cannabis cup and grabbing things. I can't remember if I saw them get a first, but they definitely got a second or a third.

5:52Georgia StomanovYeah, dude, they killed it, man. And I see him true. He also slid Tommy Chong a giant tub of cannabis on stage after that tub of cannabis came from at the award show. I thought that was pretty slick.

6:04SpeakerI mostly miss Tommy, unfortunately. He's one of those elusive characters in the scene that I have never met. And I saw him on stage, and I thought, oh, maybe I'll meet Tommy today, but I'm really not one of those guys to go out of my way to force a meeting, even with someone like Tommy. So I never got to meet him.

6:21Georgia StomanovI got lucky. He came to the River Rock Greenhouse one time, so it was the one chance. I saw that. And then his son as well were kind of involved with an edible line that's coming out here. Say too much else.

6:35SpeakerOh, that's Paris you're talking about?

6:36Georgia StomanovSay again?

6:38SpeakerYou're talking about Paris?

6:40Georgia StomanovUh, yeah. The vegan. Wait, no, I don't mind. It's, uh, Tommy's vegan. Yeah, it makes sense.

6:50SpeakerI see Sarah Sunday is asking, is there anyone left in Amsterdam? I'm here for a few more days, so here's a nightmare story. And here's a great tip for you guys. Why don't we start with some education? I know... The main reason you guys watch this show isn't for me and my buddies to shoot the shit, but it's actually to pick up those valuable little nuggets of information that are actually, you're able to use in life and that they help you.

7:11SpeakerSo this is a value right here. When you're flying into Amsterdam or where you're leaving, I know a lot of people want to take the train because it's cheaper, but a cab is much safer. And depending on how many times you've been to Amsterdam and depending on your awareness of your surroundings, It's very, very easy to get jacked on the Metro, and what I'm guessing they did to our friend, she had a bag around her arm, and they probably cut this while she was sitting, took the bag without her even knowing, and minutes later she lost her purse, her passport, her money, her phone.

7:48SpeakerYeah, dude. How's that for a bad time?

7:54SpeakerSo she's still in Amsterdam right now, unfortunately, and... She's looking for some friends right now.

8:00Georgia StomanovI stood up. I took the train. I copped on a ride for free to the airport. And I was standing. I took a picture. I actually have to put it on Instagram. Someone scratched vegan into the window and like underlined it. It took me three minutes to realize it. I was like staring through it at first. I thought that was pretty ironic just standing there.

8:17SpeakerYeah, no shit. So I had a few people ask me. I sound like I have a cold. I did pick up a little cold on the way home from Amsterdam to Toronto. On the plane, I felt it about halfway through the plane ride. There were a bunch of people sneezing around me. It's not the worst cold I've ever had after the Cannabis Cop. And I certainly wouldn't consider it to be a Cannabis Cop cough, which is a very real thing.

8:41SpeakerOver the years, I've gone to the Cannabis Cop 19 times, if you can imagine. 19 times I've been at the Cannabis Cop in Amsterdam. 19 times, or close to it, I probably come home with a little bit of a cold or some sort of a little thing.

8:59Georgia StomanovHow are you feeling, Dane? Did you escape it? I stayed away. I learned last year. I hit the sublimator at the greenhouse, and it was OV for me for the rest of the trip. So I learned this year. I didn't hit shit. I torched the rigs before I hit them. I was smoking joints through my fingers. Boom. I'm good. I'm good to go.

9:16SpeakerWe weren't really sick though, were we? Like our crew, there was really no one in our crew.

9:20Georgia StomanovI was slamming juices too, man. They had juices that cost us at Whole Foods like 12 bucks here because of the craziness. Back there it was like 2 euros, so I was like, damn. I was just slamming those. That's pretty nice when you can slam juice like that. So I think that helped me. Because I was feeling pretty sick halfway through. I was like ran down from all the smoking and coffee.

9:40Georgia StomanovI was smoking cigarettes and everything. I don't normally smoke cigarettes, so. Yeah, feeling a lot better.

9:48SpeakerOne of our guys here in the chat, Hirish, is saying that he came back with black lung.

9:55Georgia StomanovOoh, gotta hate that.

9:59SpeakerTelling you. Stay away from black lung, son. What's that? I've been away for three weeks. I actually left on August 7th, if you guys can imagine. And on August 7th, or November 7th, sorry, 7th I left for Toronto and I headed over to Jamaica from Toronto. I was at the SRC Ganja Conference with Tony from United Cannabis and the rest of our CRD, Cannabinoid Research and Development team.

10:32SpeakerWhich consists of one, Vivian Brown, as well as a John Sayers. Vivian has an educational background, 35 years, and John Sayers has an agricultural background. And those are our two main Jamaican partners for cannabinoid research and development. And I'm sure you guys saw some of the videos. Didn't really get to talk about it. All right, here we go. Mr. John Gibbs in the house. Working on getting his camera going.

11:00SpeakerThat is UCAM, Cyberlink going, but he hasn't started his camera yet. Welcome, Jibs. I'm rocking your shirt.

11:07JibsOkay. Let me see if I can get this going. Here we go.

11:11SpeakerYou can do it. I got the utmost faith in you. We got Dane in the house. It's a nice, quiet church this morning. We have about 90 people watching. We usually get up to between 200 and 300. Greetings, Aaron Waite. Aaron Waite just came into chat. He is a fellow bubble ambassador that I really am impressed with. He came out of left field. The guy seemingly had never made hash before, and suddenly he was producing what I would consider some of the nicest hash on the planet, at least from the photos that he's been posting.

11:45SpeakerExtremely beautiful hash, so good job to you for that, Aaron. It's wonderful to see when people can really get it right away and they don't have to feel that there's this real impossibility of producing the wonderful full melts that, of course, John Burry is no stranger to. He gets to make more melts than most people. Horatio is going to come into the room in the next ten or so minutes.

12:16SpeakerAnd I am getting links through Facebook. And I'm just going to...

12:48SpeakerOh, here's my dabber eye. This was a really cool thing. I got this given to me by the wonderful people at Happy Daddy. Now, Happy Daddy is just down the border. I think they're in Portland or maybe Oregon. I'm not sure. I guess Portland's in Oregon. I meant Eugene. This is a little dabber eye sword. And I have to say it was one of my favorite little gifts in Amsterdam this year.

13:12SpeakerAnd there's Mr. Jibbs doing his wake and bake. It's like an owl picture, dude.

13:18Georgia StomanovYeah.

13:21SpeakerSo how was your cup? How did the melts and the trichome heavy extracts enjoy going up on stage and collecting their award?

13:27JibsWe had a fun time on our trip overall. I think we were out there for like 10 days between the High Times Cup and just seeing everybody and the legends. It was a very memorable trip. It was good for us both personally and as a company. Hell yeah, dude. A lot of good people worked together.

13:44SpeakerIt was so good, dude. Everyone seemed to just be having a great trip. And it just seemed like all of you guys were just winning. Like everyone we hung out with, I was like, oh, there's fucking Matt up on stage. Oh, there's Jibs and Ken are up on stage. Oh, look, there's, you know, True and Ramon are up on stage. It was really great to see all of you guys fully representing and winning.

14:11JibsYeah, it was pretty awesome.

14:12Georgia StomanovWere you facing?

14:14JibsYeah, I'm talking to Bubble Man and everybody on Hash Church.

14:18SpeakerYes.

14:21SpeakerHe's like, it's really, what are you doing? We've got 102 viewers now. We normally have 200 to 300. So if everyone wants to post that link of this YouTube hash church out to the world, we would love it. We've got a chat. If anyone has any questions for Gibbs, trichome heavy extracts, he's here. He can answer them. Which bubble bags are the best? Well, you just asked which bubble bags are the best.

14:49SpeakerThere's only one bubble bag, and that is bubble bags from Bubble Man. Every other company has their own name, so you can definitely purchase other water extraction bags, but they won't be bubble bags. Bubble bags is actually my name. So let's see if we've got some questions for myself or Dane or Jibs in regards to the making of hash, the drying of hash, the smoking of hash.

15:15SpeakerOh, we've got lots of action, Hirish. I've still got about seven to ten videos from Amsterdam. My next video is actually when trichome heavy extracts just arrived and I had just seen them for the first time at my apartment in Amsterdam. Got a little video that I'm actually editing right now that's going to be going up. Oh, Joe D'Alessandro, let's just get this question out of the way right away.

15:38SpeakerAs you can see, his ear has torn. He was wearing plugs, and maybe he's a raging bro, and maybe he caught it on something or something, but yeah, the ear tore, and now he's got one of the most original ears on the fucking planet, and I love it.

15:57JibsMy go-to response is to tell people I wrestle bears.

16:02SpeakerHe was wrestling at Grizzly Bear up here in Canada. All right, Del Betteridge. You want to come in, Del Betteridge? Sure, we're looking for Del Betteridge to come in. Del actually just got back from Jamaica. So maybe he'll have a little bit of things to tell us about his Jamaican trip. Let me see if I can find him. Here he is. I've been watching pictures of Del for the last couple of weeks go up over his Jamaica trip, and it was nice to see...

16:30SpeakerIt was nice to see someone that didn't necessarily have all the best connections in Jamaica still able to have a really good trip. And I even saw that he found some decent bud as well. So that's always nice to see. I hate to hear when people go to Jamaica and that they didn't find anything great. That always upsets me.

16:52SpeakerAll right. For a wakey, wakey, bakey. I got my two Amsterdam carb caps. One was given to me by Alex from Sohio. This is the Task Rock new highly educated unit. And then I got a little Hive one as well, which I haven't been as stoked on the Hive bowls, although in Amsterdam I was hitting them and they weren't that bad. It might be my own ability to use a prop.

17:18SpeakerJust mute us out there, Del, on the YouTube channel. Once you open the Google Chat, it'll still be talking through your YouTube, so you just have to mute that up. And welcome, Del. Welcome to Hash Church. Good morning, sir. Thank you so much. How are you? How are things? You got your camera off right now, or is it on?

17:38DelNope, it's on now, I think.

17:39SpeakerIt is. It is on. Well, welcome. Your trip to Jamaica looked absolutely like you had a blast. It was fantastic, actually.

17:47DelDefinitely a few tips from you helped me get around the area and yeah, I never really had any problem finding any good bud there. It took a few days to find hash that was good there, but by the end of the week, yeah, it worked out really nice.

18:02SpeakerSo when you were looking for hash, here's a question for you. Did you notice that the shitty hash was really soft and that the really good hash was really hard? Yes, very much so. Yes, so why that is, and here's another great tip for Hash Church, this will open your eyes if you're ever in Jamaica. There is a plant in Jamaica called breadfruit, and it's much like jackfruit and even similar to durian.

18:23SpeakerYou can Google these fruits if you're unaware of them. Breadfruit has a resin that secretes out of the tree trunk that they can actually cut into the hashish. So often, back in the day anyway, in the 90s, what they would do is they'd show you very small pieces of what is called Jamaican gum. This is collected on not the scissors, but the knives. Jamaicans don't trim with scissors.

18:46SpeakerJamaicans use knives like this. And they'll put the leaf like this and just do this sort of thing. This is how they trim. So they end up with an enormous amount of gum on their thumb and on their little knife. Also, the guys that are smuggling herb off the island, now this is going back even further, Thank you for watching.

19:28SpeakerHash is supposed to be hard at room temperature and jibs can actually attest. How much water hash do you see jibs that is as hard as yours?

19:38JibsIt's sadly pretty rare and like as much as I'd like to be able to smoke a lot more people's hash in Colorado with weed being legal both recreationally and medicinally, most times I'm at a loss to find other water hashes actually properly dried.

19:52SpeakerI bet it's got to be the biggest, biggest problem out there with water hash. It's very tricky to dry. And why it's tricky to dry is because you're not only dealing with an outside water surface, but you're also dealing with a surface, a glandular trichome wax membrane head that is holding moisture inside that head. And if you, if you often, Rich can probably talk about this as well, because he actually Has taken it to the point where he can really, I mean, fresh frozen is the trickiest to dry.

20:27SpeakerYou need to get that shit totally planed or sieved to perfection, and then you really need to have the right proper temperatures and the actual proper humidities. I guess living in Colorado, you're lucky there, and now that we have winter coming on, you've got to be looking forward to that.

20:43JibsWinter has already been pretty good. It got pretty cold pretty early this year. Yeah. Rooms staying at like no warmer than like 60 degrees right now. So, I mean, microplaning and or sieving the hashes, it definitely helps with it being able to separate so easily and making sure it's fine enough that you're actually getting all the water out, especially the fresh frozen.

21:08SpeakerYeah. Couldn't believe how many people showed me nice hash, even in Amsterdam, that was just soft like putty. Yeah. We also saw a lot of hash whiting out. I can tell you the only hash whiting out in Amsterdam was Jibs's from the melts as well as mine, which was my sweet skunk dry sift. And I actually left it open on the table the entire trip. Did I not, Jibs?

21:38JibsYeah, you did. We didn't leave any of our hash quite open as much. I did. It was definitely... Yeah, you definitely did. And that's...

21:47SpeakerI left yours open, dude, and it was... It was hard as a rock right till the day I left.

21:54SpeakerIt's because it's... Oh, we just broke 100. We got 131 people watching us now. It keeps asking me to download a plug-in. I guess I better just ignore it, because every time I click it, it opens a new thing.

22:12SpeakerI think it's time for me to hit a bowl.

22:16SpeakerIt's always scary hitting a bowl on that first day and waking up with a little bit of a cold. I'm going to go baby hits. Baby steps with the dabber eye. Right on, guys. Wake and bake hash church. Number 10. Episode number 10. Ooh, the fluge, a.k.a. the flow OG. Hello? You want some flow? Yeah, he's got, Dane's putting up the flow OG right now.

22:49JibsI might be smoking a little bit of that blue suede to start my day.

22:52Georgia StomanovDude, that stuff smelled like Froot Loops or something. I don't even know. That was awful.

23:02SpeakerThat was a little sweet skunk for me. I left a little bit in Toronto, so when I came back, there it was. And I actually got to thank Allison Gordon. She may or may not be watching this right now, but she brought me my hash all the way to the airport for probably less than a gram. So I've got to give her props on that. That was very generous.

23:28JibsThat's a good friend.

23:29SpeakerAll right. I'm going to leave you up. Del, tell us something about Jamaica that was really cool.

23:35DelOne of the funniest things that happened really was we were coming out of one of the restaurants and I was going to have a smoke after having dinner and we thought, wow, this is a Somewhat fancy place, we'll wait until we get out to the front entrance where I'm smelling hash.

23:55DelBig cloud around to see who's smoking this. We get out to the front of the building, there's a five feet tall with this big hash joint. Karen looked over at me and said, I guess it didn't matter if you waited until you got outside to enjoy your after dinner smoke. That's awesome. I was pretty surprised with the amount of older ladies that were actually smoking in the grill there.

24:23DelIt seemed like it was more common than I was expecting from the older women anyways.

24:30SpeakerYeah, there's a lot of puffing that goes on. That was just down from the Rock House. Ah, the Rock House.

24:36DelYeah, it's quite incredible. Nice up there, isn't it? Yeah, that's where we went. Yeah, we went there for our anniversary dinner, and it was really, really nice. Good food. It was quiet that night, so it was good.

24:49SpeakerYeah, one of the last dinners I got to have in Jamaica with my old man and his wife, actually, before they passed away, was at the Rock House. So that was in Jamaica. It was very nice to get that experience.

25:00DelOh, that's cool.

25:01SpeakerYeah, I appreciate that.

25:05SpeakerYeah, you know, it's a little bit better than, you know, the place where everyone sends you down to where everyone's jumping off the cliffs there. I can't even remember the name. It's really a touristy rift. Yeah. I mean, it's fun to vibe for a half a day or something, but it's not, it's just not quite the same as like the nice chill vibe of the rock house.

25:24SpeakerAnd that place is, you can actually rent those cabins and those are nice places, man.

25:29DelYeah, it looked really neat just being able to jump off the cliffs there and, you know, they had the ladders right in there and then you could just swim over and climb up the walkway there into the restaurant, I'm sure, if you were staying there. It definitely would be nice to spend a night or two there to make it special, but there was just so many little areas like that when we went up in the lighthouse and looked around there, which was really cool.

25:51DelYeah, I didn't realize you could go up top there, so it was pretty neat getting the history of it and seeing... The mechanics of it and the three foot thick walls. Oh yeah, dude. Yeah, that was definitely...

26:03SpeakerIt's really got quite an incredible history, that island, you know?

26:09DelIt really does with all the religions and the nine different kind of nationalities that came and went over the years with the pirates and Christopher Columbus and the food. Like you said, the food is just so good and so fresh and Even having a pop there, the Coke and the Pepsi, it's made with real sugar, so it just, everything was, people warning you about the food and the water and this and that.

26:34DelI wasn't sick once down there. The only time I felt like crap was the night we had a bag of chips, so.

26:39SpeakerIt was a little bit scary of the Chick V virus, though.

26:42DelWere you hearing about that? Yes, yes, they were talking about And Mosquitoes really seemed to like me, so I was a little bit worried about that. But, I mean, it was kind of funny because they're not worried about Ebola down there. They're ready for it, but it's not like a big thing that they're talking about. Totally. America. And, you know, it was just really nice to get away and get down with the people.

27:05DelWe never really stayed in the resort very much. We were always out eating with the people and walking around town. Yeah, man. We went out Went up to YS Falls.

27:17JibsOh, beautiful. Yeah. Black River.

27:23DelBlack River, yeah. Yeah, it was a good week, definitely. Yeah, for this time. There'll be more next time, obviously, now that we got to learn a few of the places. And then once you get away from the touristy areas, it's really not that expensive to be there. And I would like to see Kingston, actually, now after...

27:45DelHearing a lot of the stories from the people there saying, you know what, don't listen to what the news tells you. Kingston's a really nice place to go.

27:51SpeakerYeah, I mean, I really like Kingston. Kingston's really, when I was just a Jamaican tourist for all those years, which I guess I wasn't really just an American tourist, because really what I was doing was going there Thank you for watching.

28:25SpeakerIt's nice to see people geeking out on it, even on my last trip. I have a few good Jamaican friends now, and they geek out on making hash, much the way myself and Jibs does, who's in the camera box right next to you. I don't know if Jibs and Del have ever met before, but Del is a friend of ours from out in Ontario, and Jibs, of course, is a well-known hash maker for River Rock and, I guess, United Cannabis in the near future, down in Colorado.

28:54SpeakerNice. And on the other side, you got Dane, and Dane works for Cannabis Review TV, or I guess he owns it, and he works for River Rock and does some things for Tony. He was just in Amsterdam. Both of these guys were just in Amsterdam with me, and it was really good. Good times.

29:12Georgia StomanovWe're going to have some videos on River Rock TV. If you type in River Rock TV on YouTube, we're going to have those up starting maybe Tuesday next week, and I'll put out some videos of our time in Amsterdam, so look for those.

29:25DelYeah, I definitely watch your videos too, Dave. It's nice to see some good informative stuff up there. There's a lot of crap out there to watch, and it's nice to learn.

29:41SpeakerAll right, I'm going to invite in Topher. Topher wanted to come in and talk about his nerve pain and seizures. Talk about solvent sensitivity and how it can impact health, how things like dry sift and LHO can be an option as well as elder people caregiving with cannabis. So these are the things he wants to talk about, so I just sent him a link and invited him in here.

30:04SpeakerAnd I guess Joshua just asked me for a link as well. I think his name is the same on Facebook. Or did they make you change it, buddy? If they did, send me a link on Facebook. Now, I have two Facebook accounts. That's kind of what gets confusing, I guess. People sent, last time I noticed, everyone was sending me the link to the Bubble Man account. I check that less often, so.

30:27SpeakerI'm just going to check that right now, see if anyone's trying to send us messages to get in here. Bubble Man, oh yeah, 12 messages, that was crazy. Can I get the link? Can I get the link? Can I get the link? This shit is blowing up here, boys. Feel free to talk about something while I go into my not paying attention to Hatch Church mode, but paying attention to the things that I'm doing.

30:53DelWell, talking about that hash that had that gum and stuff in it, there was a few times when people were trying to show me samples, and you could stretch it right out. You knew there was something in it, and the guy who worked at the resort had kind of warned me to watch out for that too, because that's what they were kind of... Thank you for watching.

31:36DelTotally bad for you, but... Yeah, it's natural, but... Yeah. It was shit. It was shit, yeah. And you could tell even by smelling it when you opened it up or tried to stretch it that it had that fruity smell to it, too, so you knew something was wrong. But, I mean, everyone's given the samples, and you could just, as soon as you broke it open, you knew when it was real and when it wasn't, but...

32:01DelThat stuff was the cheapest stuff, believe it or not. By the end of the week, I was getting it for about $5 a gram, and they were good grams, and it was really, really nice.

32:12SpeakerAnd so was the cannabis, you know, that pineapple skunk, fruity weed, that's what they had?

32:20DelYeah, more or less they did that. That bud that I had in the pitcher was, they called it purple, but it wasn't purple. It did have a bit of a pineapple-y taste to it and skunk. And that was actually pretty good. I had a guy in the room next door to me that was from California, and he was a medical patient too, and he was looking at it.

32:41DelHe says, I've been here for two weeks and haven't been able to find buds like that. So a lot of trichomes on it. It was pretty good.

32:49SpeakerWell, listen, there are people that live on that island and have never left, and I can find better bud than them in two days.

32:57DelIt's pretty crazy to get those connections. I was just lucky.

33:02SpeakerWell, you know what? I don't know if it is luck, Del. I think that some of us have the no's and some of us don't. And you can call it luck when it keeps happening over and over again in the country you visit.

33:12DelI mean, I don't know if it is luck.

33:17SpeakerI think we might have been talking at the same time there. My bad. Sorry about that. Talking over you. I thought you were done.

33:24DelNo, I was done. I was just commenting on what you had said.

33:28SpeakerAh, yes.

33:33JibsTwo laughing at jibs. But definitely no one was just sneaking into the frame.

33:39SpeakerI thought I saw that. I did. I thought I saw that. I saw this kind of like...

33:48JibsBye, guys. Bye.

33:52SpeakerSuch a woman. Yep. Hey, I got home to a bunch of these. These are kind of funny. Check these out.

34:08JibsOh, yeah. Those are sweet, aren't they? That's funny.

34:11SpeakerDude, he sent me a ton if you want one.

34:17SpeakerOkay. What is it? I'm not a big pin guy, but you know what? These are kind of cool. So I should give a shout out, first of all. You guys can check out those pins. I guess he probably makes a variety of other ones. I can't believe his first pin would have been like bubble bags. It's a fairly large pin. And that's his company right there. Trippinblazed.com.

34:41SpeakerYou can check out Trippinblazed.com. He's on Facebook.com backslash TrippinBlazed.jd and TrippinBlazed is spelled T-R-I-P-P-N-B-L-A-Z or Zed, depending on how you pronounce that one, C-D dot J-D. How do you guys pronounce Z or Zed?

35:06SpeakerThat kind of has me at a loss. Come on, when you think about that letter in the alphabet, how do you say it?

35:12Georgia StomanovIt's a Zed. That's the only way.

35:14SpeakerZed?

35:15Georgia StomanovWhen you start saying Zed, it gets a little weird.

35:19SpeakerYeah, I don't know. I honestly don't know which one is which. I think I call it a Z.

35:25Georgia StomanovNow, if you're overseas, maybe, if you're like British, you're like Zed. When you say like saloon instead of sedan, maybe, or chips, fries. We don't say Z here, though.

35:38SpeakerRight. Oh, here's Topher. Welcome, Topher. Cam up if you can. We definitely prefer cameras in here. TJ. Well, I'll tell you, for having a cold, I'm still able to hit rips, which is, ooh, I was worried on the plane thinking I was going to be coming home and no rips for Bubble Man. But the sweet skunk is so smooth. That's what I heard time and time again in Amsterdam.

36:09SpeakerEveryone I smoked the sweet skunk dry sift with Often couldn't believe how smooth it was. And we were talking to Rob Clark about it, actually, because Todd McCormick was saying, hey, the bottom line is, you're losing terpenes. If you're letting it dry out for too long, you're losing terpenes. And then Rob Clark sort of rebuttaled, yes, yes, we're losing terpenes, but the terpenes that we're losing could potentially be a more...

36:38SpeakerThe ones that really grab and snap you, almost more volatile, more solvent-ish. And so sometimes those ones vape out first, and then you're left with a much smoother hash. So these are the differences between that young mentality of just making the fresh, smoking it right away, getting that... And then the, I'm 40 to 50 to 60 years old and been doing this for 40 years, and I actually don't want to cough every fucking rip that I take, because I take 8,000 a day, and then it becomes nice to have the quiver.

37:07SpeakerI love having both. What do you guys have to say about that?

37:11JibsI definitely agree, especially with Waterhatch or Drysip, that's one of your biggest indications of how dry it is, if you're a seasoned smoker and you're only, if the majority of what you're palleting and taking is Water hash or dry hash. As soon as I smoke hash that has a notable amount of moisture in it, my lungs are going to cough up and seize. Granted, there might be more water-soluble terpene stuck in it.

37:34JibsThey're really not doing me any benefit because of how much they're making me cough and some of the off-putting feeling they're leaving on my lungs.

37:44SpeakerYeah, you know, I don't think a lot of people are thinking about that and it's interesting that we've gotten to a point where we can, I guess really having the dialogue of Hash Church to me, the real value is just like a statement that you just made. This little conversation that erupts out of us just talking and asking questions to each other and puffing bowls and then we get led into this little doorway where there's value and we open the door and now we can start talking about this because a lot of kids out there are not thinking about these things and I really noticed that this year a few times, the only few times that I smoked something that wasn't, Jibs's, Tony's, myself's, Matt's, Ramon and True, and then a few others, randoms that came out of left field and really surprised me and it was a beautiful thing.

38:34SpeakerI bet you I had half a dozen people come up to me and show me full melt dry sift. Oh, wow. You know, that's random. And then even the water hash people were making, they're finally... The thing about water hash, and I guess the thing about dry sift is that what we are trying to do as hash makers, and you may agree with this or not, Gibbs, is that we are trying to decontaminate.

38:58SpeakerWe are trying to get the hash cleaned up enough that we are unveiling the quality that the grower and the strain has produced. And so in that unveiling, it's very important... That we do it properly. That we make sure the hash is dry properly if it's wet wash. And if it's dry sift, it goes back to the same thing. You need to make sure it's dry. Dry sift is not a misnomer, my friends.

39:24SpeakerWhen you make dry sift using dry ice and flash freeze your material, you're going to more likely have a material that cakes out later than if you dry that material, the herb that the resin is on, dry it out for like a month. Or two. Sometimes people will hang it for three to four weeks. They'll cut the buds off into a bin and then store that for like, you know, with the lid off for another month.

39:48SpeakerI think Matt does a similar thing to that. Then the heads are able to shrink. The wax membrane loses that moisture. And let me tell you, it takes a long time. For anyone that's ever dried bud on the stem, how long does it take for that stem to finally dry out? The bud just keeps pulling moisture from the stem. I think the resin head is no different.

40:09SpeakerThat moisture that it holds in the wax membrane, it takes a long time to dry, especially at a colder temperature if you're not wanting to lose all those valuable terpenes.

40:24SpeakerWell, that's my two cents anyway.

40:29JibsYeah, definitely. I mean, using fresh frozen material, it's great. You get a lot of those lower essential oils. Thank you for joining us.

41:02JibsI'd say nine times out of ten that's usually a sign that there's moisture. No, not quite nine times out of ten. I'd say a large amount of the time it's a sign that there's moisture in it. Hash can also become greasy just because it's warm. I noticed a lot of people's hash had legends, though. They were super properly dry once everybody was smoking in the room and everything like that, and you get in a room or like the coffee shops, it's 85 degrees, your hash is going to become a little more gummy.

41:29JibsAnd that just has to do with some of the nature of resin. But figuring out how to get it to be rock hard, making sure that you got all that moisture out, it's just really a thing of patience. And I know a lot of misconception from other hash makers in the last couple years, oh, this is so greasy, it's great, it's fire, you know, it's like the best hash I've ever made.

41:52JibsWell, in reality, that's not necessarily true. It being greasy a lot of the times is a sign of it. Currently degrading or just having water left in it. I don't think a lot of people understand that. When I finally figured out how to make perfectly dry hash in Colorado, pretty much every time a lot of patients and consumers were really put off by it. They're like, this is powder.

42:15JibsIt's not greasy. It's not going to melt. The hash didn't go down in potency by any means. The resin is still just as potent as it was before. All those terpenes are still there. Now it's actually dry. It's going to actually have a lot Thank you for watching.

42:48SpeakerRob and Skunk Man Sam. Those are my mentors. Those are really the guys that have been teaching me all these years. But they're very private men. And for the last 15 plus, 20 years, they've been very private. And it's nice to see them coming out more and more and more. And Legends has really exposed them to all these other people who had never really had the exposure before of being in a room, being able to talk, being able to see.

43:13SpeakerAnd one of the things that those guys do not put up with is caked out wet hash. And at Legends... They pushed it to the side. Yeah, they did. They pushed it to the side. Dude, countless times I've seen well-known hash makers come up so stoked with their hash and have Sam or Rob look at it and go, oh, this is whitey cake, and just be like, here, pass that one around to the people in the room.

43:36SpeakerSo it happened this year with probably three or four varieties, maybe even five. I'd have to look how many I wrote Whitey Cake on that little picture that I took, my little card with all the little... I left that in Amsterdam, by the way. I thought maybe it could get framed in with the legends of hash art to be hung in the venue when we have our legends dinner each year, but...

43:58SpeakerThose guys being able to tell, those guys that are the mentors that have been smoking this hash for 35 years and who basically were some of the first people to ever discover water hash, it's incredible that they can just look at the young hash maker and say, dude, that's all wrong. Straight give them the Gordon Ramsay. Like you just brought wet hash to the party. I don't want to smoke that.

44:20SpeakerI have 28 varieties of hash to smoke here and you want me to smoke your wet hash and hurt my throat?

44:27JibsYeah, and a lot of people aren't even accepting that information. It's just we all need to, I don't know, listen to people like Rob and Sam and listen to their valuable information of what is dry hash so we can all continue to bring a better product to consumers and ourselves.

44:47SpeakerWell, that's it, and those guys have no personal agenda of selling any product or any end result, so they really are They are an extremely valuable resource to our community, and I was with Rob Clark on my last day in Amsterdam, and we were walking through the lines of plane, and super tons of people were stopping me and going, oh, hey, Bubble Man, I watch your YouTube videos, and this, that, and the other thing, and each time I would introduce Rob, and what's up, Ken?

45:16SpeakerWelcome, Ken.

45:17JibsWhat's up, brother?

45:19SpeakerFellow Trichome Heavy Extractor, these guys killed it at, jeez, I don't know, you did everything you guys entered, you won a place in, correct? You didn't enter Dabadoo?

45:29JibsNo, you're correct.

45:31SpeakerBut you entered Legends, and you entered the Cannabis Cup, and if I'm not correct, you guys placed, what was that, second and third, or second and second?

45:42JibsYep, second and what? Second in both, yeah.

45:46SpeakerAwesome, dude, a couple of seconds, that's kick-ass, I've, uh, I used to have a second place cannabis cup hanging here, but it doesn't seem to be around anymore. I lost my cannabis cup. It happens. I was in the middle of saying something really good and I forgot what it was when I said, hey Ken, but...

46:05JibsIt was my beautiful face.

46:07SpeakerIt was. You just like threw me into a ray. Why don't we have a bowl? Why don't you put on your blue suede shoes, motherfucker?

46:15JibsRight? I need to get me some, for real.

46:21SpeakerYou guys work today or is Sunday a day off?

46:23JibsYeah, about to go on the lab. Days off aren't really a thing. No days off.

46:29SpeakerYeah, no shit. Hey, we should welcome three people, Horatio, Ross, and Topher. I know Topher definitely had some things he wanted to say. Ross, it'd be great if you could cam up for us. How's it going, man? Where are you cammed up? No, you're not. It's going good. I think you can hear us.

46:56SpeakerWhat's going on, Topher? Can you hear us? Yeah, can you hear me? I can now hear you. How are you doing today? Awesome. I'm doing alright. I hurt my back last night in my sleep, so... Did you have a seizure? No, I don't know. I don't know, but I woke up in terrible pain, so I've got my muscle stimulator. The best thing you can have. Yeah. A little...

47:19SpeakerNice. I used to get that when I had my car accidents. Right before I let my dislocated slightly hip set into a concrete foundation and give me scoliosis, I used to go do that. I'm really big on yoga now. I'm not sure if that's something that's an option for you. I think it's an option for everyone. After seeing John talk about it, I want to start trying it.

47:42SpeakerDude, it changed my life, Topher. Like, it literally, like, I was in rough shape. I had chronic headaches for two and a half years, and my spine was doing this weird S thing. And they said it was scoliosis, but Bikram just said it was laziness, and I appreciated his perspective more than theirs, so I just decided to do his yoga, and I did it every day for two and a half years, and I straightened my spine.

48:04SpeakerI don't have headaches anymore, and my spine is not all pricked out. Yeah, it's pretty awesome, dude. Oh, definitely, man. Well, you know, the thing about it is it won't be as easy as staying at home and just puffing bowls and stuff, but you really have to make yourself get to the studio. One of the things with John, because he got so crushed, that really helped him in his yoga later on was that he's been going to appointments for seven or eight or nine years.

48:31SpeakerHe is good at going to appointments. Getting to a place is nothing for John. He'll just go. If it's like 9 o'clock, he's there. Because he's done so many doctor's appointments and evaluations and so many different things that that's the hardest part for a lot of people. Luckily for being a guy, the easiest way for a guy to go do yoga is to be in chronic pain.

48:56SpeakerThat's basically what we wait for before we do yoga. And so if you're in chronic pain, then you're already halfway there, dude. You do a class of that yoga and you will not believe how much it gives you relief. I'll look into it, man. I'm excited to try it. Changed my life, dude. I told John every day for two years about that yoga. And the interesting thing is my friend Christian, who broke his back up in Whistler and then went to yoga one day when his girlfriend said, hey, come do this yoga.

49:27SpeakerAnd he thought yoga was a bunch of chicks in a room with candles chanting. Apparently it was not. Bikram's yoga is a 90-minute workout at 110 to 115 degrees. It is a seriously torturous workout. Damn. Yeah. But that's why it works. No pain, no gain. Yeah, what I saw with John was that he was so happy and that cannabis was really helping him in his life, but his health was deteriorating.

50:03SpeakerSo I thought, John needs more than just cannabis. And we all do. We all need more than just cannabis. Cannabis is incredible, but diet is huge. And then that working out of some sort. For me, it's yoga. For other people, it's different things. But moving the blood and getting the heartbeat accelerated and sweating are very important factors in our health.

50:26DelYou can see the difference in John's face just by looking at him after doing it for two or three weeks or whatever now.

50:31SpeakerYeah.

50:33DelYeah.

50:34SpeakerWe lost like 20 pounds, and I bet you 18 pounds that he lost was in his face. He looks amazing. He really does.

50:43DelYeah, he does. Definitely. So, Jed, are you there?

51:04SpeakerNot going to do that.

51:11SpeakerJohn?

51:15SpeakerCan you hear me? Uh-oh. Bubble man left the building.

51:21JibsUh-oh.

51:24SpeakerCan you hear me? I can hear you. Yeah, we can hear you. I missed the start of the damn episode and then like because you can't have YouTube running, I just caught where you guys are talking about shit whiting out and what was going on at the cup, but I didn't get to ask about what did the effects of the live sift that came out, what did, like I didn't know if you guys had commented on that already for that one entry that got sent out for Legends.

51:56SpeakerI didn't know if it was an actual subject. I saw Matt Barron. He was like... What live one are you talking about? I missed the start of the episode. I know you guys were talking about the drying and the whiting out, but I didn't know if... I heard the word dry ice, but then I muted YouTube. I didn't know if you guys had brought up that... The live sifting, because I remember I had made a machine like a year ago for like a fresh frozen sift, but it produced, like I had a, I didn't clean back then, so there was no cleaning, so it made the result of a ton of contaminant, but I've never really fired up the machine ever again.

52:31SpeakerIt just sits there, so I was wondering, I was like, oh shit, I clean now. Maybe, I never tried cleaning with, um, Basically that machine I made. It was made to break up fresh frozen bud that was in a ball. I would say this. If you're going to make live resin, you better damn sure go out of your way to figure out how to dry it because it takes months and nobody can figure that out.

52:54SpeakerWell, that's not hard for me because I would put it in my bathroom. Here's the thing. Either way... You're going to have to dry it. So there's two options. You dry it on the plant for a month or two before you sift because it is called dry sifting. That's not a misnomer. I repeat that all the time. It's dry sifting because these countries that have been doing this for years, like decades, have always dried the material for a very long time.

53:20SpeakerSo the other alternative is once you've made the sift is to now try and dry that properly. And flash freezing, it apparently doesn't work. It caked out. Every live resin I've seen dry sift has been not dry. So, for instance, I left my crush, or my sweet skunk dry sift, I left it open on the table the whole time I was in Amsterdam. Everyone else was so afraid they were keeping their hash in the freezer.

53:50SpeakerThe only dry sift live resin I saw was cake. And I mean cake. You couldn't even press it into a piece back into a ball. Huh, I've seen it, I just, now what you're saying makes sense, and I'm like, because that was the thing, I was like, I'm going to have to get that thing like a perfect thin patty, like a millimeter, like even a millimeter is too thick, and then try to dry them in pretty much pizza box sprays in the back oven, but I see what that cake issue is, so I'm wondering if there's a drying issue with the Somebody else is on vacuum oven tech because, yeah, it's pretty, you can't flash freeze it so easy.

54:30SpeakerWell, the best way, in my opinion, is to, when you hang the plant and the resin glands are diluted in the perfect ratio to be touched by air, I don't know how you think you're going to beat that by putting all those balls together in a congealed force. That's why I'm like, that's why I was thinking, I'm like, okay, to keep it separate, you've got to be gentle, you've got to be, you can't let, you've got to, you can't just randomly throw dry ice.

54:58SpeakerYou've got to try to be maintaining not too cold, not too warm, like a lot of factors, like you're going to need enough cold to break and keep that water in stasis because your whole bucket is going to be condensing like shit. So you need the room to be dehumidified or else that's going to add water. You need a strain that's not pulling in water. And vacuum freeze drying is, that's what it is.

55:22SpeakerThe flash freezing is going to be trouble. Then you've got that wad that you're going to try to crush into basically back into grains. I think there's going to be a contaminant wad up problem. And yeah, if you try to dry it as a wad, you're going to, That's what I wanted to see, if it was going to cake out or act abnormal, like would the heads rupture from the vacuum chamber from where it connects to the stock and therefore produce a more pre-melted product by balloon burst.

55:52SpeakerSo, yeah, no, that makes sense why it potentially doesn't press, but to try it out and fail to see what's next. What about freeze drying like the buds and then extracting the heads that are freeze dried off the buds? That is yes and no. You've got a volume issue because now your freeze dryer only does half a pound for 20 grand. Well, here's a quick question. Why not just do it the way it works?

56:19SpeakerAre we trying to reinvent the wheel or do you want to do something that we know already works? Why not just dry the material? I don't know. Yes and no.

56:28JibsI don't know what keeping growers doing with the ability to clean it up fresh frozen. Granted, it whited out. I feel like if I knew the same process of extracting the resin glands fresh frozen and then applied my similar drying techniques of drying fresh frozen water hash via spreading it out and putting it in certain controlled temperatures, I feel I could come up With a product that has its own uniqueness to it.

56:59JibsYes, it is still dry safe, but it is fresh frozen. It will have its own terpene variants as a result of the way it is made and then cured.

57:07SpeakerBut one of the main reasons your hash dries is because you microplane it and you breach those heads and that opens the wax membranes in more areas to release that moisture. Heads that are not broken like that are going to have a much more difficult, you may have to literally plane those heads too for that process to work. You may not. That defeats the... No, that's it.

57:34SpeakerThe step where you say we're going to spread it out, everyone has a hesitation because it's not going to be a wet potty either. It's going to be dry, but it's so cold that it's sweaty. It's like pulling in sweat. And that's in that handling of it why you're going to spend... Jim's in a different position. You've got equipment that allows you to not have any moisture in the room, so same thing.

57:58SpeakerYou're going to be throwing a lot of tech at you. And, I mean, sometimes that's what cups are about, but then it travels to a different environment with a different humidity, and I'm just hearing about this, but then it cakes out. So that's not something, you know, if that was my first go, I could see that unforeseen consequence happening as it, you know, it leaves a region, spends its day open versus, you know, So, I mean, I'm interested in to try it, but now it's about creating a technique and a bunch of elaborate setups because I don't want to white out.

58:32SpeakerI don't want to basically pull in moisture, but we're not microplaning dry sift, no way. That defeats the purpose altogether. Um, but there might be other options while it's still cold to basically, again, put it in another screen and shake it over and like, you know how you initially powder it out when you're carding? It would have to be something like that for the vacuum oven, but...

58:59SpeakerYou've got to have one sitting around. It wouldn't be something you would try from scratch. Here's an interjection from one of our guys in chat who care for real Aquila. He says, but the melt factor would be worse if it's dry material. Now, this is how, in the first place, we are led down these prohibition-based roads. We get led down just like Gibbs was saying about the grease and the wet.

59:25SpeakerWe constantly want what's most sellable. And that's why the oil world is all about that. It's all about whipping it and shattering it and de-waxing it and making it look like all these different things. One question, whoever's coughing, can you please mute your mic while you're coughing when you're not talking? Just mute your mic. That'd be awesome. So yeah, it's an interesting thing that people are going to think that their material is going to be less melty because they actually dried it out A little bit or properly.

59:57SpeakerI mean, the dry sift I have here that's been dried for months, it melts away and bubbles on a liquid just like water hash and disappears and leaves very little ash behind on the nail.

1:00:10Georgia StomanovI was on the plane ride home from Amsterdam and I was fortunate enough, I guess, to sit next to Nick at tea, so we got to talking and stuff like that. And he says a lot of times when they oil out it's due to maybe like the strain, like if you run a lot of OG cushions or something for that example, the oils in that strain will make your hash not capable of being as dry or as sifty as a skunk or a high sativa strain.

1:00:34Georgia StomanovWould you guys have a comment on that?

1:00:36SpeakerI think it's a great excuse for someone who's not able to get their hash dry. Both the beautiful hashes he showed me in Amsterdam were very wet and caked out and literally... I think it was Sam or Rob just looked at them and was like, wow, these are caked. They were beautiful, but they were caked. The hash was really, really wet. And that was the same thing the year before and the year before that.

1:00:59SpeakerAnd he's not the only one, so I'm not singling him out. Maybe it's drier in Colorado. It looks great in pictures. I suspect a lot of the well-known hash makers are so caught up in their image. That's what I love about Jibs. He's a really humble cat. He's constantly learning and learning and learning and he's not really hung up on whether he's, you know, I would ask him right now, do you think you've got it exactly the way it will be for the rest of eternity?

1:01:28JibsNo, there's a lot of things we're still going to work on as far as being able to, I don't know, playing around with machines, just figuring out how to do it more effectively just so we can reach more people and just continue to push the product quality level further. I don't know, as soon as you accept what you have is the best, you're not really going to get anywhere, you're not going to learn anything more, so...

1:01:47JibsI don't know, I don't see much value in that. I want to keep learning and seeing what we can do with hash without having to use solvents. I feel like a lot of people gave up on water hash and dry sift and I feel like people like Mark and myself and Ken and other like-minded people and groups of people up in the Seattle area are really trying to figure out how to bring the solventless hash game up to To newer quality levels and potencies just so we can have more enjoyable products and just help more people.

1:02:23SpeakerWell that's what it's all about and when you can get away from my tech, I don't think you'll ever have heard me say that about anything I've ever shared. I don't think you've ever heard me say my tech. My tech implies ego and it implies that we're really, when we get hung up on my tech, then it's like the other guy's tech, well that's, I can't do that, that's his tech.

1:02:43SpeakerIt's like no, it's our tech, it's a quiver. Each technique is an arrow and the quiver fits many, many arrows. Why would you want a quiver with one arrow? Well, check this out. You're talking about watering, kicking out and the terps and I got to have terps, I got to have terps. The same problem is in VHO, no one will purge their product because they're going to lose those terps.

1:03:08SpeakerAnd I'm like, well, get to a product that's clean and perfect your art. Then you can work backwards and enhance the experience. It's dry, it's clean, it's stable. Now let's see what process techniques we can change to try to keep this, not lose that. Like go back and try to retain losses versus get a gain you haven't really earned because your product's not dry. And now you can't let go of it because it's gotten to claim to fame that your stuff is terpy melty.

1:03:37SpeakerBut if you haven't earned it, you can't control it and you can't keep it. And then you start doing things like coming to Legends with Wet Hash, which, again, it's not something I typically experience because I guess I'm only dabbing what I get from our local group, but... I totally get it, and it's no different in the solvent world. Everyone is selling out for the same sexual appeal to get a market going.

1:04:04SpeakerBut I can't. My turps, but I can't. I've got to keep it hot. And the thing about it is you can smoke whited out bubble and dry sift. Butaned out oil, the equivalent of turps, makes for a really different experience.

1:04:25JibsI feel it's pretty similar. I definitely, I don't know, I don't smoke a lot of oil. Like this week, I smoked a decent amount. It all came from people I knew quite well, the Gold Coast, the TC Labs crew. It was all hand-selected flowers that I either, I saw some of the flowers myself, I trust them. When they're picking their starting product, especially around that time, it's really good.

1:04:47JibsI see them distill their tame, but still... It's just different. It's not... I forgot where I was going with that. I'm really stoned.

1:05:01SpeakerNice! I was doing that the other day, and today, and right now. Now we're taking a left turn. Well, basically what we're talking about is the prohibition model that keeps sucking us down, and it's that look. It's got to have this... Oh, the crystalline accessor I was going with it.

1:05:19JibsOkay, take it. Is their product as long oil or water hash? I definitely feel it being crystalline is the biggest thing my throat notices. I can handle really clean, well, de-wax, shattered to some extent in moderation. I can handle water hash and dry sieve pretty much till kingdom come in whatever amount I want to smoke it. But as soon as I'm smoking an oil that has noticeable crystalline structure to it, Or water hash that has no noticeable crystalline structure to it is because of water or water and butane remnants.

1:05:57JibsThat's when my throat just becomes noticeably inflamed. And that's one thing like scientific knowledge has been able to tell us that we can apply, I don't know, back to what we're doing is any pure proper resin or oil should not be crystalline.

1:06:16SpeakerOkay, well I got to take out only one other question to that. Now, Everybody clearly knows the process for making butter will get you less residuals, but again, sells out the terps. That's kind of the biggest thing. Should it not have just ended shatter as a process, but rarely do people make butter to go for any type of best product in its category. Because of the high wax content.

1:06:44SpeakerWell, I mean, wax content.

1:06:48SpeakerIt's the way it's made. There's a proper way to make wax and then there's an improper way. Whipping it's not as good as doing it in a vacuum setting. Yeah, but it needs water to white out. Wax is whited out, BHO, versus where in water half, it's the effect of not drying properly. With BHO, it's the effect of you let water in. So you have to add water to make wax.

1:07:16SpeakerAnd vitrification as well. So, Mark, okay, because I'm interested in that crystalline structure. Do you agree that it always makes a harsher experience? Because I don't make butter and I don't try it, so I don't really know. I don't experience whited out stuff at all. I don't know. I don't smoke oils at all or make them. Just water. The concept that water creates the crystalline structure, that's bothering our throats.

1:07:46SpeakerWhat Jibs is saying is really what I'm interested in. I mean, you'd be guessing either way, but I mean, I'll tell you one thing. When you drive properly for a month or two or three, and then you go start, take it to Amsterdam and hit everyone with it that's smoking all this harsh, wet hash, every time and time again, they say, wow, that's so smooth, I didn't even cough.

1:08:08SpeakerOh, wow, Tony from Sagamarta on the last day there, I gave him a big rip, and he was just like, man, that was just like the most pleasant hit I've had all day. Of course it was. It's dry. Okay, so... No, it makes sense. It makes sense. It's just I don't get wet stuff to get an itchy throat to have a concept in both categories. So that's why when Jim said it, I was like, well, I get it, but I don't experience it.

1:08:34SpeakerSo that's why I was confirming with him. But you don't chronically smoke properly dried full melt bubble or properly dried full melt dry sift. That's really where you get it. If you don't do that, it's hard to get because even for myself, this last trip, it was even more of a sensitivity for me. Someone loaded me a bowl, and I won't say who, and I took the rip, and I was just like, oh my God, it was like razor blades on my throat.

1:09:00SpeakerAnd for me, it didn't smell bad, and it was a friend that I know grows killer, and it was wet hash. It was just gummy, soft, bubble hash. Never can dry it properly. I got the same cup.

1:09:16SpeakerSo, I mean, it's... That's good information. Hey, welcome, Joshua. I'm glad you made it in, buddy.

1:09:27SpeakerHe's been trying to get in off chat, and I couldn't tell you. It's funny, each Hash Church, I should mention this. If you guys want to get into Hash Church, text me during the week, because... I have to run the chat. It has a control board, and I run the Google Live chat, and then I also have the Hash Church YouTube chat that I try to keep an eye on, and then I also have to check out two Facebook pages for people that are sending me messages.

1:09:54SpeakerSo I'm not really able to troubleshoot with you guys in a way, if you're having a difficulty getting in, it's always best to ask someone else in the room or someone that has been in because I'm just not able to... To troubleshoot so many different rooms I've got open right now. You're doing an excellent job, though. I'm trying, dude. I'm trying, man. How are things by you?

1:10:21SpeakerYou making tons of hash or what?

1:10:25SpeakerYeah, you know, we're getting into it. It's the season. We've been getting a lot of jobs over here and prepping up for it. Yeah. I just wanted to add something. Somebody mentioned about the whole wiping out thing. As far as curing and all that stuff goes, what do you think about the volatile terpenes that are in there actually going to town and starting to solve from the inside?

1:10:53SpeakerYou know, like how people use limonene as an extract. If there's limonene inside of it, wouldn't it start to solve it? If it's not properly dried out, that's where the real situation is. I don't think moisture is such a problem as that might be. Well, I think that you're right on the microplaning aspect of that when you release those oils to the outside of the wax membrane.

1:11:16SpeakerBut I believe on the inside of the wax membrane, they're held in. Obviously, those terpenes are being produced. Cannabinoids themselves are a form of terpene. And there's many solvents in those terpenes, but they don't breach the head and come out. I would suspect that the wax on the inside has a layer that is different from the wax on the outside, because when you microplane them up and you shred them, now those oils are on the outside.

1:11:43SpeakerHowever, jibs and Ken, both microplane, their hash is as hard as a rock, even when you leave it out. It just congeals. The powder congeals to this intensely tight resin, whereas The process that Nickatee is doing, most of them, I can't say I've seen a ton of Nick as hash. It's only really been in Amsterdam, but it has been of a more buttery consistence that I could kind of fudge it out on my finger, and then if I try to, you know, press it back into a ball, it doesn't want to do that.

1:12:12SpeakerAnd the other gentleman who had hash like that in Amsterdam was the Cuban grower, his dry sip. Now, I don't know how he makes it. I believe he's using dry ice and using fresh frozen material. But what happened with that is it was super cake as well. It was nice. It smoked and smelled nice. But when you just took a little piece and you went to press it back into your hand, it was literally like silly putty.

1:12:35SpeakerAnd to me, as a hash maker and a hash smoker, there's something wrong with that. It just doesn't look right. Not when I have this right here, and it does look right. You realize... That there is a right way of doing it and there is a wrong way of doing it and if it wasn't for guys like Sam and Rob, I'm sure I would have never even been exposed to it because, I mean, these guys have been growing huge amounts all over the world for a super long time, extracting and making these resins and having more exposure to them than any of us.

1:13:07SpeakerI mean, even if you're making a kilo a week or two kilos a week, this is not in the same ballpark as what these gentlemen have been doing over the last 40 years.

1:13:21JibsSo thank goodness for them. Mentors are good.

1:13:27SpeakerPeople like Matt Rise, what are we talking about? You want RO or distilled water? I don't know. Water is water. Figure it out. Use them all. Try them both. See what you like. Yeah, I agree with the whole, yeah, try it all, man. It's just water, carbon filtered water that's like 10 ppm is not going to make a difference in how good your hash is. We have good city water here.

1:13:51SpeakerI have no problem with our city water here. I've had this shit tested for microbes, and if you don't dry it out, you have more microbes, and there's more of a place for good and bad microbial growth to happen when you have a little bit of moisture in there. I think that's a whole other level, though. I have hash here that's fucking bone dry. And I press it, I'll press it out, and it'll be like, it rips like paper, it's hard.

1:14:26SpeakerYou know, and I had some sit out in the rain for two days. I had some sit out in the rain for two days, and I can't pull it inside, and it was still hard. Not like gummy at all. But if I lump it all together and put it in someone's car, there's a chance that it might cake out. I've had it tested, and there's like, the moisture content is like, Marginal, like 0.2% moisture, and it still whites out under certain circumstances.

1:14:56SpeakerSo that's why I'm left to think that it's not just moisture. Well, there's, okay, so when we think about moisture, that's again what comes back to tech like drying it out properly, is not every strain dries out properly in the same set amount of time. So if you're on an automatic kick where you go, that's dry at 24 hours, You have to work, certain strains have terpenes that are pulling from the environment so dry doesn't stay dry unless you process it appropriately to stay whole.

1:15:29SpeakerSo each point of the damaging step, just like if you card too hard and you have a strain that has heads that have a low wax membrane, almost like there's grapes that are for wine and have a thick membrane and then there are some grapes that are literally, as soon as you touch them they're ready to burst. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:16:08SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:16:32SpeakerThat's when things take out on you is when you go big, then it didn't work because you didn't truly know what you were doing in any deep way. You just kind of had a set process of dry is dry at a set amount of time. So that's where understanding my strain has got limonene. Limonene is going to work against me. I have to be super gentle because if I rough microplane, it's going to get on the outside and it's going to melt the wad.

1:16:56SpeakerSo it's a right and wrong to it. You need to compensate for things like that with experience.

1:17:04SpeakerSo you think it has a lot to do with strain, picking the proper strain to do what you want to do? Well, it allows you to know I'm going to need an AC if I think I'm going to card this. It's no different than if you're gramming sappy oil. You're going to need the same conditions you would need to Card the same potentially sappy strain because of the nature of its terpenes and its wax membranes.

1:17:30SpeakerSo I find that the same, I'm like, oh shit, if he has to card extra cold, I'm going to end up with sappy oil. So there is a parallel. That I noticed by people's anecdotes and so that's why you have bubble hash rooms now with environmental controls because people are starting to get up their scale and then their technique isn't working. So they're starting to apply more control to the room like let's nix all humidity if this strain is going to pull it in until it's dried into a proper state.

1:18:00SpeakerDo you think altitude has anything to do with the drying process? Those are the babies that you control and they come and they go. That's what I'm saying. That may have to do with certain people's products buttering coming from a certain area and not having it controlled to that point. If you don't dry it properly, it's not dried properly. It doesn't matter where you live. I live in the Pacific Northwest.

1:18:25SpeakerIt's like the hardest fucking place to dry hash and I can assure you I know how to get hash dry. Right, properly. You did it properly, though. No, that's where... I'm just saying... It's a freebie. Their environment dried it for them. They didn't really earn it, so they can't control it. Then they move to where we are, and everything goes to hell. That's what I'm saying, yeah.

1:18:46SpeakerIt's moved to Amsterdam, and everything goes to hell. That's what I'm saying, yeah, because in their environment, it was proper just because of their environment, but when you go to a lower altitude, it changes, you know.

1:19:01SpeakerI'd say you should have your basic, you need to have air moving, you know, air inertia is not always necessary if you're at higher altitudes, you won't need an AC, but you need the air to be moving. I mean, I guess, I know that it's crisper in the air, but I don't think that it could just be left to your hash and let it, you know, it's going to dry just from sitting there.

1:19:23SpeakerYou've got to have a well-ventilated room just like you're drying herbs.

1:19:30SpeakerWell, Mark, I mean, you have, I've seen you dry sift in the absolute cold and find it ideal. What environment would you say you're trying to create when you have the option to create a room for it where you're going to try to, you know, use some of the environmental controls that we have, inherit from a grow room? I love a cold room. I love a cold, cold room.

1:19:52SpeakerI love to work in as cold of a temperature as I can. I love low humidity. You know, when I build my lab in Jamaica for cannabinoid research and development, you'll definitely see the whole lab, all 2,000 square feet of it, will be a walk-in freezer. So I'll be able to dry material. I'll be able to freeze material. I'll have my flash freezers. I'll have my water chillers.

1:20:14SpeakerI'll have my ice makers. I'll have industrial-sized mixers with special... I mean, building your own lab is like a dream come true. Variables are simple to control when you just bring down the temperature and you take out the humidity. And then you can get it dry. But it's not going to happen in 24 hours. No, that's kind of, I'm looking at that kind of room and I'm like, maybe that's why, let's say for instance, Cuban Grower's Technique is missing one factor that works against him with the cake out that... Well, he is, we know the factor he's missing, Horatio.

1:20:53SpeakerHe didn't dry that hash for two months. That's a guarantee. Because he made it using fresh frozen. Why would people use fresh frozen material to make dry sift? Do you want to know why? So they can sell it right away without drying it. That's why. You're trying to save time. It's all about how fast can I get it and how much can I get for it. It's also trendy.

1:21:19SpeakerRight now here, the word fresh frozen, you put that on your product, you're going to sell it for more money. I don't believe he's selling his dry sift as fresh frozen though. That's a water hash. It's a way to hype your product. We're not talking about water hash. We're talking about dry sift right now. Yeah. Well, the term is live sift. That's right. That's right. And the thing is, I thought about it, and I'm like, it just sounds, because I didn't suspect the cake out, because I'm thinking it through my head, and I'm like, well, I know enough about freeze drying, That I can make a week go for two days but you've got to have all the equipment, you've got to know your temperatures, not everything freeze dries in 24 hours.

1:22:10SpeakerIt's still going to take as long and you're going to have to control things or you could rupture all your heads in the vacuum oven. And because you're doing something else, you're pulling them apart and again we talk about the disc where it connects to the stock as a weak point so I could totally see it belly buttoning out from the pressure. And they're for rupturing the heads and now you have terpenes that are able to pull in water working against you because you actually made a head similar to bubble hash.

1:22:40SpeakerSo it would be interesting to see under the microscope if the heads are damaged from the vacuum oven. Oh yeah, I mean I can't even, thinking about vacuum ovening like resin gland heads to me just irks my soul. I just can't even imagine. That someone thinks that's a good idea. And you know what, Horatio, funny enough, it's always people who want to do that that don't even have this as a foundation.

1:23:05SpeakerThey already want to make something quicker and easier and better than this, but they don't even have this.

1:23:13SpeakerThat's what blows me away. I know. That's why I'm like, I only have so much of it, so I'm not about to put it in the back oven. I have the option, but I still haven't done it. You know what? It's about paying as much attention to your herb as your hash. Most hash makers get herb, and then from there, they just make hash with it. If you really want to control dry sifting, you need to almost have the herb from the time it was cut down.

1:23:40SpeakerThen those are the variables of controlling the resin, getting to the point where you're now ready to work with it. And what I've learned from making quite a bit of dry sift over the last several years, and I would say I've made kilos of it, That resin is always different. You know, resin is always different. There's many different types of resin. I'd love to eventually write about these things, but It's just so subtle.

1:24:09SpeakerThe differences are so subtle and so just small, yet they're massive on the scale of like if you think you're going to set up a lab scientifically and do this always and it's always going to work out that way, then all of a sudden this other resin comes along and it's like, yeah, guess what? I'm not working in that way. I need to be handled this way.

1:24:28SpeakerAnd that's what I've noticed and that's why I love having a quiver, having a variety of ways to make the hash. And that's why I appreciate you guys with your You know, the science of pushing dry sift into the future out of the archaic methods that it's currently held in, because it is very archaic. There's no doubt about it.

1:24:49SpeakerI don't know about that. I just think if you call it archaic, there's just not a deep understanding of what's happening. Because, I mean... Dry sifting methods are archaic in the sense that they've been used for a long time. That's all I mean. Yeah, but I, that kind of, like, I mean, when I put together that, even that image, The Science of Sith, I'm like, I'm picking up all kinds of different understandings because I, I have a, having a different background, I'm like, Okay, I see.

1:25:17SpeakerWhoa, that is the same as that. Well, because I have, I guess, the background of dealing with multiple growers and because having to find medicine when you can't grow it versus the guy that's always dealt with his buddy's three strains. And he knows them and they work and they kick ass and then they start picking strains that are easy to work with because they don't have that diversity training.

1:25:39SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:25:57SpeakerWhat is it? The 110 lines per inch screen. And I'm like, I don't trust you as dry. I dried you to a bone dry. But now I'm just looking at the resin and I'm letting it sit in the environment that I have before I get to carting really hard just to watch its reaction to the environment to see if it's pulling any water or if while it's all laid out, if it's...

1:26:19SpeakerIf it's starting to press or anything like that before I go into the stage of, okay, this one is a really stable resin. The resin heads are nice and hard. I'm going to go for a hard carding back and forth and just go for it versus, ooh, I have to do this in five-minute bursts because this head's, God, it's pressing in my fingers on the spot. So that's just more because I was always searching for strains that produced more shatter versus sap.

1:26:45SpeakerI touched a lot of buds, felt a lot of buds, and now when I apply that back to dry sifting, I'm finding out, oh shit, if I had just tried to sift that right off the bat, it would have been hell. I would have pressed all the heads right into the screen, and it would have just been a disaster. So in comes a bigger, better AC before I even go to the hard carting.

1:27:05SpeakerI just pause the whole process. So, you know, I'm lucky, but I see how a lot of years, how people could just Inch towards a strain that works for them and dodge a bullet where people like you mentioned Rob Clark and Skunk Man Sam are dealing with varieties for breeding purposes. We don't have time to dodge a bullet. We're looking for endocannabinoid ratios here. So if a strain is stickier, you just adjust your techniques.

1:27:31SpeakerYou use a different quiver to address it versus it just doesn't work.

1:27:36Georgia StomanovThat's bad for making.

1:27:37SpeakerI'll just do something else, which seems to be what a lot of people do while they don't have that experience. They just They dodge strain experience to a degree.

1:27:52SpeakerYou're muted. Oh yeah, sorry about that. I was just agreeing with you, saying that some people have a lot more access and exposure. And I guess over the 15 to 20 years that I've been at this, I've had a lot of exposure to different strains, and not just different strains, but grown all over the world. So I've made hash all over the world. And it changes. It's different depending on where you are.

1:28:18SpeakerThat's what I love about getting some well-known hash makers to some different parts of the world. Jibs, I was able to make hash with Jibs in Barcelona. And I know it was an eye-opener for them because we were actually in Catalonia, not Barcelona, just next door. And it was an extremely warm, hot day and muggy and humid and... He was suddenly aware that the same drying procedures there may not produce the same results.

1:28:44SpeakerI was telling the Barcelona guys that for them to wrap that hash, if they're putting it out on parchment, to cover it in an enclosed cardboard box like a pizza box will really help absorb a lot of the moisture out of the hash. They obviously have cool rooms as well. The Medical Seeds guys had a nice, cool, colder room. So that's always helpful if you can have a room that you can put that hash in that's, you know, low humidity and much cooler than warmer.

1:29:14SpeakerI remember drawing hash in Jamaica and literally forgetting about it on the cardboard out in front of where I lived and where I was staying and then the sun came out and it was bubbling. It was literally bubbling on the cardboard. That's not good.

1:29:33SpeakerYou better just dab it all today. It's fine. Just today, all of it. Yeah. Dude, I'll tell you, that shit was red. Red.

1:29:46SpeakerYou a pin guy, Josh?

1:29:51SpeakerYou are a pin guy? I love pins. I wear pins all the time. Are you about to show me one of those? I got a pin for you, bro. Yeah, I've seen those. They're so sick. I'm going to send you one. What? Yeah, dude. This is like, I actually need to get some custom ones like this that say Bubble Ambassador. That's what I need to do. I just thought of it right now.

1:30:17SpeakerYeah, these guys sent me a pile of them today. I came home to tanner them or something. I'll give them one more shout out. Trip and Blazed. I guess they do custom pins. They did these bubble bag pins. I thought it was pretty hilarious.

1:30:37SpeakerI will absolutely send you one. I'll make sure you text me your address because you have my number, and I'll get you one sent out. And I said I would send Jib's one out as well, who also makes a lot of hash using bubble bags. Where did Jib go? He took off.

1:30:58SpeakerThose are sick hat pins. Looks like Jibs took off. He's been gone for a minute. Yeah, yeah, Jibs was in for a while. He was in for the first hour. I got to take off in a little bit. I was unfortunately, I woke up a little later. I wanted to start Hash Church at 7 a.m. and go till 10, but I started it at 8.30, and I guess we're going to go till about 10.30.

1:31:18SpeakerI got my son, has a piano recital today, and I've been away for three weeks, and I absolutely will not miss his piano recital. He's sick. He's playing a Star Wars song. Oh shit, Topher's a... Topher's the real hat pin guy. Look at that. He's got so many he can't even put them on a hat. Oh shit. He's got them mounted. Yeah. I got a few given to me in Amsterdam and I guess I usually...

1:31:47SpeakerI think D-Nail has sent me quite a few. Oh yeah, here's some more. So I got this like little guy here. Oh, that's cool. I like that. D-Nail sent me that one, and they sent me this one, a Charlie Brown with his D-Nail. Nice. And then they sent me Linus with his D-Nail.

1:32:13SpeakerStilly. Yeah, for some reason I don't even collect these things, and I have fucking 12 of them. Oh, there you go. Donkey Kong. I thought it was a Nintendo game. Yeah, it's Donkey Bong. Good old Donkey Bong. Yeah. So let's see what they're saying in chat here. Dominique almost knocked his rig over, caught it in mid-air. Ouch. E-juice is just glycerin. Josh Bronson made me laugh so hard smoke came out of my ears.

1:32:50SpeakerThe American Puffin is real important. Please remind, again, me how to go into HashChurch. You're in HashChurch right now, Angiogenesis. We generally keep the invitations into the video aspect down. People private message me, and whether you're someone that's making a lot of hash or whether you have a lot of information about hash or techniques. Or if you just have a story in regards to medical aspects of how you use cannabis medicinally or how you find things to be effective, that's how we... Devin, you come in every week.

1:33:23SpeakerWhat is Horatio smoking on the device? Okay, Horatio, do you think each week that you come in here, every five or ten minutes, you could just tell everyone that you're smoking glycerin out of a vaporizer and maybe name the vaporizer for them so that they can stop asking that question? Okay, every week after the show, somebody wants to quit smoking. So every week I puff harder and a new person wants to know what I'm vaping and they message me after the show and hopefully they're moving on to the steps to quit smoking.

1:33:54SpeakerSo excessive stupid vaping is beneficial. Now the first thing is I don't vape propylene glycol. And that's what you get when you buy it. And that'll kill you. It is just the new way for e-cigarettes to kill you. You saw when we talked about it one week, a few days later, that whiskey got banned for having the stuff in it. That red something whiskey. I don't drink, so I don't know the names well.

1:34:21SpeakerI've modified my juice. These come and go. I have plenty. What are they? They're all electronic. Basically... They're the exact same. You name it. Does it have a name? Okay, this one is called the IPV3. This is the IPV3. This is a Chi-U mech mod. They've got coils in them that burn, just like our vape ones, but I control the coil, so I can control the vape and the flavor, so it's built more sophisticated than something you get off the shelf.

1:35:04SpeakerIt's just like... Yeah, it's a modifiable e-cig, basically. Yeah. So it makes a cigar experience versus a tooting. Versus like an ego. And they see me and they see the smoke and they go, I think if I could smoke like that, I could quit. So that's, the people who tend to ask are big time smokers. They won't tolerate the little pen toys. So that's tend to be why there's, this is the first time they've seen it.

1:35:32SpeakerThey get real, oh my God, look at those clouds. And I'm like, yeah, there's a way to get the big clouds and quit the cigarettes, quit the cigars. Thank you for watching.

1:35:55SpeakerE-Juice comes with, for instance, this is blackberry crap, and it's loaded with propylene glycol and other stuff that I can't vape. It makes me sick. So I take this bottle, and I take it with 10%, and then I dilute it with 70% vegetable glycerin, therefore reducing my harm to 95%. I don't have the resources to fully make it 100% vegetable glycerin because I don't want to go into that business.

1:36:24SpeakerSo here's a question. You're putting in 70% of the glycerin, so you're diluting it by two-thirds. Yeah, because it's already 50-50 glycerin. But here's a question. Aren't your hits five times bigger? Yes, proportionally. That's why I have to get it down to 95% because my hits are bigger. Right. Yeah, so that's the thing is I'm testing it by accumulating it to the max. I'm sensitive to building up an accumulated anything.

1:36:58SpeakerThat's why even if I'm going solvent, I've gone to all this trouble. If it was bothering me, I would know because I'm an excessive compulsive and I don't want to die. Yeah, you're pretty sensitive too, eh? Yeah, so to vape like this, I know I've actually gotten it down to something reasonable or else, yeah, I would feel that hypocritical, this is going to bite me in the long run.

1:37:20SpeakerYou have to go to the extra steps. Well, one thing we know about Horatio is that he always goes that extra step. I love that about him, actually. All right, who's dabbing? Oh, dabs.

1:37:41SpeakerAll right. Well, I just got the text from my wife. There's no list of people who are playing, and it's already started. So she's going to stall his performance for me.

1:37:59SpeakerAnd I'll end Hash Church in the next five minutes if you guys have anything more you want to talk about. Anything you want to touch on? I will leave this chat room open once I close it. It'll just be for the people watching. Anyone in the Google chat room, Del, Horatio, Joshua, and Topher, you guys will still be able to sit in here and have a chat if you like.

1:38:19SpeakerI would love to be able to hang out for another hour, but I am not going to miss my son's piano recital. I've got a question for you. Shoot. I've been using dry ice sifted, I guess, keef, or I don't know what you want to call it. Well, not keef. Dry, uh, sift. Dry sift. Dry ice. Yeah. In my, in my medibles and stuff, and it's been working really well for me.

1:38:54SpeakerAnd the guy that gave it to me, you know, my caregiver from Colorado, he was telling me it was high in CBN, which I'm not too familiar with. So I was wondering if y'all could expand upon that. You know, how that works or if it's sparing dependent. CBN is a degradation. I believe it's a degradation of THC, but it could be CBD. I'll just really Google it real quick.

1:39:18SpeakerIt's a degradation for sure. I thought it was a degradation of CBD and CBC or G was a degradation of CBD. THC, CBD, CBN. Yeah, there's so many bloody ones. The enzymes and substances. Tony would have answered it in a second. It's something you can Google for sure. You could get that by decarbing the keef slowly. You could degrade all the THC to get more CBN. It shows up in aged resins and aged cannabis.

1:39:47SpeakerYou won't see it in like super fresh. No, this is like a couple years old. That's right. That's how you get it. That's how you get it. Medicalgene.com. Yeah. CBD. CBD. That's the definition of CBD. Do you think carding this would be beneficial? Was it made with dry ice? Yeah. Is it actually dry or is it kind of like... Oh, it's dry. It's dry as hell. It's like powder.

1:40:20SpeakerWell, you just asked me... If carding your single screen, and not only single screen, it's dry ice, so I bet you the contamination of that is 80% or higher. Right, but I'm saying as far as making it for edible, do you think it's worth the carding process, or do you think it's better just to use it like it is? You know what, I know for a fact it is, bro.

1:40:42SpeakerIf you carded that to 99% heads and you put that in your medibles... Telling you. Or used it. Of course. It's like you're asking me if concentrating the medicine is going to make it better. So yeah, if you take out contaminant, you will experience a greater version of that medicine. That is a fact.

1:41:03SpeakerThat's why I show people this stuff. That's why... I mean, sure, you're able to take that and melt it into your fat or your butter, but all I'm saying is if you just get rid of all that other shit first, I mean, here's how you know. Take weed and make like a butter extract. What do you get? You get some nasty green looking butter. Now take the hash off the weed and make the butter out of that.

1:41:25SpeakerWhat do you get? You get a beautiful golden butter. You know the one is better than the other right off the bat. It's just a nicer experience. That's why I make my coconut oil with hash. I prefer it. Yeah, Steep Hill Lab will have CBD and all the cannabinoid information. You can also check out the endocannabinoid system page on Facebook. And I guess at that point, I am going to go scrape ice off my window, apparently.

1:41:58SpeakerAnd leave you guys. So Josh, make sure you send me that message. What is that, a big hand bubbler you're hitting there?

1:42:07SpeakerIs it? Yeah, Mark. Yeah, dude, I wish you would have got in earlier. Beautiful fucking piece. You guys chill out. Please, enjoy. I'm just going to stop the broadcast now, but thanks Del, Horatio, Josh, and Topher. For coming in and visiting, thanks Dane and Jibs who were in earlier. And thank you guys all for fucking coming and hanging out. There's 235 people watching, so peace out from Hash Church, everybody.

1:42:31SpeakerHave a good day, bud. Thanks. You guys too. I'll leave this open and you can chat.