Coltyn's Crohn's Story, CB Receptor Ratios and Living Soil

0:02BubblemanHey, hey, hey, welcome everyone to Hash Church episode 34. I got Rick DeLisi in the house.

0:09SpeakerCheers, how you doing?

0:10BubblemanThe man Ramon is in the house. Ramon. We got legends in the house today. Good fun, good fun. Nice to have you guys here with me. We, uh... It doesn't seem like we slept.

0:20SpeakerNo.

0:20BubblemanI'm just going to be honest.

0:23SpeakerI have a little bit of a imagination hangover.

0:26BubblemanMaybe a modulator hangover. I'm not going to lie. That was intense. Thanks, Horatio. Thank you very much. Seriously, bro. You're a boss for that. That was really killer, Horatio. You did good. No sound. What do you mean no sound? What do you mean no sound? Can everyone hear us? I want to make sure everyone can hear us. Yeah, you guys can hear us good? Good stuff. Everybody, everybody, good morning.

0:52BubblemanGood morning, everyone. I hope that you can hear us and we appreciate your time coming and sharing with us this morning. I think we're going to be good. So I sent that to 17 people, but you see how there's no one in the chat yet? So what happens sometimes is I have to go back and resend. I have to end up doing singles like that. I think I just heard someone come in.

1:25BubblemanHello there, Johnny B.

1:27SpeakerPlease, gentlemen.

1:29BubblemanHow's it going?

1:30SpeakerYou didn't get much sleep last night. Why are you coming out over there? Not much.

1:36BubblemanOh, yeah.

1:37SpeakerI'm always very well, John. Very good.

1:42SpeakerExcellent, excellent.

1:43BubblemanWell, I'm trying to send the link out to everyone. I see that it worked for you, so that's got to let us know that we're good to go.

1:58SpeakerThere's a crash.

2:20SpeakerHello, Wendy. Hey, Nick. Let's get over Colton. I can't really.

2:34SpeakerThis is as far as I can go. Are we good?

2:41SpeakerHow are you guys doing this morning? Good. Good. We're tired. Yeah. Yeah, I think... I think we're all just starting to get up and get going, so. I've been up since six. Morning, John. Good morning. So I think we just lost Marcus and Rick and Ramon. Well, we'll get back here. Yeah, they'll be back shortly. Great to see you, Nick. You as well, John. And new is Wendy and...

3:18SpeakerColton, Colton is her son. Colton is a Crohn's patient. So they were going to come in this morning and share their story. I'd like to maybe wait until Marcus and a couple of the other people get in to divulge into the full story. But maybe, Wendy, if you want to just give us a little overview of your guys' story and how you've become cannabis patients. Okay, well, Colton has Crohn's disease, and he was really, really sick, and all the westernized medicines weren't working, so we decided that cannabis was probably the next best thing.

4:03SpeakerHow long have you been treating the condition with pharmaceutical medications? Three years. And then he's been on cannabis for a year. And what are the main differences that you have seen? What type of conditions was he going through with the pharmaceuticals and how has that changed through cannabis use? Well, he was in a wheelchair because he was so weak. He was very, very sick and in pain in the bathroom a lot.

4:37SpeakerHe couldn't go anywhere. He couldn't do anything. His joints hurt. He had lupus. Um, he couldn't just go anywhere or do anything. I mean, he was pretty much bedridden, house ridden, couldn't do anything. And then, uh, now that he's on cannabis, he's a normal 15 year old kid. That's an amazing, amazing story. Morning, Tony. How you doing?

5:04SpeakerGood, Nick. How you doing? Doing well, Nick. Looks like you're just getting up too. Um, Not used to the time difference. It's California time, so past church here starts at 10. Not 10 a.m. Yeah. My dog has a little... She's been pushing on me. Pushing on me this morning. She's real demanding. She likes to eat and go out at a certain time. All the others, they have a schedule.

5:35SpeakerIt's pretty funny.

5:40SpeakerSo, Tony, Wendy and Colton are actually out in your area. They're from Colorado. Well, they're from in the Midwest, but they moved to Colorado now. So, yeah. Where in the Midwest? Illinois, near St. Louis. Oh, okay. Yeah, I grew up in Kansas, so right across from Colorado. Oh, cool. Where in St. Louis? Well, it's about 45 minutes north of St. Louis by where the rivers meet. Okay, okay.

6:12SpeakerYeah, I caught the tail end of what you were talking about there, so I didn't get the whole story just yet. It sounded like you started using cannabis for lupus and pain. Crohn's disease. Crohn's disease, okay. Hey! There's Bubble Man. Hey!

6:32BubblemanHow you doing, Wendy? Thank you. I see Wendy and Colton and Nick and John and Tony. What's up, Tony?

6:39SpeakerAwesome, Nate. How's it going, everybody?

6:43BubblemanWe're so happy to have you guys here. I want to welcome Wendy and Colton for coming and sharing their time with us this morning.

6:51SpeakerYou're welcome.

6:52BubblemanYes, thank you guys and thank Nick for sorting that out and being the trooper that he is and really going kind of above and beyond the protocol of what most people want to do. Really kind of make the right connections to acquire these moments of magic that we sometimes acquire when we're lucky here on Hash Church. So I just want to thank everyone for coming. We've got 369 viewers in the house and Horatio is our latest guest.

7:18BubblemanSo welcome Horatio. I'm guessing you have a terpene hangover like we do. Listen, this guy was pouring terpenes out into puddles yesterday and then literally pouring the puddles onto the silicon carbide dish. Cool. So, oh, I want to welcome Creek as well. Creek Tompkins is from Mendo, and he is a grower who's really on the ball with the probiotics. He's going to be sort of our Brad Higgins for light.

7:49BubblemanHe's going to be our soil guy today, and we want to thank Creek for coming in and sharing his information, because his information helps better everything. Once you've got a living, dynamic soil, of course, you're going to produce A better quality of medicine. And we know from people like Colton how important this medicine is. Sometimes we get a little caught up in the recreational aspect of it.

8:11BubblemanBut have patience with us, all of you guys that are watching. When we're sitting here and we're looking like kind of silly because we're just taking bong rep after bong rep, I want you guys to remember that's how we learned about this. There was no class. We never found a class about this. How we learned about using cannabis was from using cannabis. And whether it was a recreational aspect or a medicinal aspect, it nonetheless taught us exactly what we know about this today.

8:37BubblemanThank God for people like Wendy and Colton that there are people who smoked cannabis the way we did, got this information pushed to that level where it could breach into the mainstream and allow to start helping people Escape this sort of death sentence that is the pharmaceutical pill experience. Maybe you want to tell us a little bit about your story, Colton, because I'm not even sure if everyone knows about your story.

9:02BubblemanI'll give the mic to you.

9:07HoratioWell, I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease when I was 11, and we've basically been going through every pharmaceutical known to man, and none of them worked. We were down to our last resort and we tried the cannabis and it's worked better than any other pharmaceutical did.

9:28BubblemanYeah, I saw your quick little video yesterday. It was a real short one and it was a very powerful video. A, just to be as strong as you are to stand up there and show literal I saw pictures of your colon. I thought that was very brave. I was like, I salute you for that. That first picture of your colon sick with Crohn's disease, you do not have to be a surgeon to know that that is devastating.

9:55BubblemanAs a parent, I felt devastated. It was incredible how fast it went from this is cannabis oil, and then you showed the updated picture. And then you ask any questions. That is a very, very powerful statement, and I can only imagine the difference in how you feel from that one photo to the next, if you want to tell us a little bit about that transition.

10:22HoratioWell, during the first picture of the colon, I was so weak and in pain that I was in a wheelchair, unable to do anything. After starting cannabis on March 25th, that summer, I was able to hike up a mountain, and then we did the other colonoscopy for the second picture, and it was just phenomenal.

10:57BubblemanYeah, that is absolutely incredible.

11:02BubblemanLet's say this is a very serious advanced form of Crohn's. Is it not?

11:07SpeakerYes. He had the most severe debilitating advanced diagnosis that you could get as a Crohn's patient.

11:14BubblemanYeah. Like I said, I'm not a doctor, but the photo was very telling, and it seemed almost as though it was almost more of a cancer than a Crohn's. The colon looked like it was just dying, almost dead.

11:25SpeakerYeah. It was either take more pharmaceuticals, do cannabis, or take his colon out because it was so diseased that it wasn't working properly at all.

11:43BubblemanSo from your point of view, Wendy, from a mother's point of view, watching this happen to her son, watching this disease ravage her son in the wheelchair, and then the pharmaceutical medication, It must literally, I mean, I don't know if you're a religious person, but this must have been a godsend for you.

11:59SpeakerOh, gosh, yeah. I, it was, Crohn's is devastating, especially for a kid, and they, they, people don't understand that it is kind of like a cancer, and it, but it's a cancer that you live with for the rest of your life. Until you finally... Die from it. This is something that we're going to fight until the very end. And the cannabis, after shooting him with Humira a thousand times and crying every single time, probably worse than he was, the feeling of, oh my gosh, I'm killing my child, coming over me every single time, I thank God that he...

12:49SpeakerMouths off to me now and that he doesn't want to mow the grass and he is, you know, a normal teenage kid and that's what cannabis did is took him from a dying little boy to a normal teenage kid, a normal kid that can ride his bike and to go to school and to just be absolutely normal and a lot of parents don't realize that, you know, when Their kid is mouthing and their kid doesn't want to do the dishes and their kid is just acting up.

13:22SpeakerBe thankful.

13:24BubblemanYeah. That's the sign of a healthy teenager.

13:28SpeakerYeah. We didn't know if Colton was going to make it by the end of 2014. He was really, really, really sick and we didn't know if cannabis was going to work. And here we come out to Colorado and think, oh, gosh, is this going to work? You know, we're scared to death. So we didn't know. And thank God it did because it was really scary for us for a long time.

13:53SpeakerAlso, thank you for going and trying it and actually finding out that it works. Thanks. Yeah, I mean, that is... And Colton.

14:01BubblemanI mean, dude, awesome. For real. For real. It's incredible. From a parental standpoint, I don't think people can really acknowledge... The intensity of having doctors tell you, oh, this, that, and the other thing, and then the options are surgical, which is cutting into your child. No parent wants that. Pharmaceutical, the word harm right in the first five letters of the word. Nobody has to be a brain surgeon to understand that pharmaceutical drugs cause great personal harm.

14:31BubblemanThey're devastating, sometimes more devastating than the disease itself. I thank people like Tony and the Colorado people. It's amazing what you guys have done and to be there for people like this and I shame places like Indiana for making a family move away, to go to a place like Colorado, to be away from their support system, to be away from where they are from. I shame you and you should seriously get your shit together as a state and you should, how do you want to keep medicine away from children?

15:03BubblemanWhat? What potential gain is there in keeping medicine from children? I think that people like Colton are the new face of cannabis and I think that Cannabis is not just a recreational. It's not just a medicinal. It's a preventative. It is a preventative medicine. Sure, it's medicinal once you've allowed yourself to get too far. Colton is a perfect example of someone who was extremely far being in a wheelchair with a diseased colon.

15:34BubblemanI mean, those photos of your colon, they look like a healthy colon. It's just all pink and red, and it looks the way you would expect it's supposed to look. It just blew me away, man. I really... Super thank you guys for coming and sharing your story with us and I hope that we're going to be able to facilitate your story to get it out to more people and of course if there's any way that we can help you or offer help, get you more help in Colorado, I'm sure you're being taken care of but obviously that's one of the things we like to do here on Hash Church is create a support system for people like yourselves.

16:13SpeakerYou know, I had a question for you. When you say the cannabis, what are you exactly using? Just curious.

16:20HoratioWell, it's an oil that we put into little pill capsules, and I just take one four times a day. What kind of oil?

16:27SpeakerIt's a blended strain. We're not exactly sure what strains are together in the blend, but it's... And it really... With Colton, it didn't really matter what strain it was as long as it was around between... A 10 to 1 and a 30 to 1. His ratio was really a big variety of things that worked. I mean, he's been on so many different ratios, it's crazy. And the only one that didn't work is the really high hemp, so like an 88 to 1.

17:05SpeakerYeah, the hemp's never going to work for Crohn's. What... So generally with Crohn's patients, I created like the P3 for that, and there's a one-to-one ratio, but not utilizing the active portion of THC. So when you utilize THCA or THC, that triggers your CB2 receptor in your peripheral organ. It kind of turns on your system and the communication between your CB1 and CB2. And THC allows you to absorb, THC-A allows you to absorb more without having the psychotropic effect.

17:44SpeakerAnd so when you're seeing that 10 to 1 or 30 to 1 with those higher ratios, that 1 being active is what you have to look at. So you could actually utilize 3 to 1 or 1 to 1 as long as the THC is not actually activated. And so think of THC. THCA as pain relief and finalizing the communication in the system and CBD as your inflammation.

18:13SpeakerAnd something like Crohn's, for those that are listening, and IBS or celiac disease and other things like that has to do with inflammation and tremendous pain, tremendous discomfort. When somebody's young and has to go through that and not have any solutions, It's unbelievable. And so I commend you for sharing that story as a parent, especially with your child. And we always try to encourage people to do that because it's important for people in our society to understand that, look, if you can get relief from a plant that doesn't have side effects when you've exhausted yourself on every pharmaceutical possible, then people need to wake the fuck up.

19:02SpeakerAmen. Hi. I mean, say hi to everybody. What's up, first? I can completely agree to that statement. A lot of people haven't ever shared my story on Hash Church, but the solubility of me finding Tony and things like the Act Now program is what actually allowed me to come here and excel as a hash maker and just in general at life and just been able to give me a lot larger quality of life.

19:27SpeakerSo now that I've found cannabis, I have the ability to help Give these things back to other people and just so sharing these patient stories and sharing just these personal accounts is the most important thing we can do as a community, not just as a cannabis community, but if you look at things, some medicinal herbs, because there's a lot of different medicinal foods and there's a lot of different things that we can look into to help inflammation and help Crohn's and there's a lot of synergy with cannabis and like Bubble Man and I always say, you know, it's about getting cannabinoids into the body.

20:02SpeakerIt's about interacting with the endocannabinoid system and keeping your body in homeostasis. Different ratios and different strains can allow people to dial those things in. When you find it and you find your solution, it's the greatest thing ever, isn't it? You're like, okay, we found it. We found how to actually live like a human being without being trapped by the pharmaceuticals. You know, I think that's the main focus here when people are watching Hash Church, like Bubble Man said, where, you know, it looks like people are smoking terps and smoking resin and smoking all these things, but what we're doing is we're pushing the limits of what we can do in a pure form of cannabis as a medicine and pushing the boundaries of methods of delivery.

20:53SpeakerAnd finding and exploring the next level of science with that. So when somebody says, you know, I'm a patient, I'm 15, I have this condition, and my ratio is between 10 and 1 and 30 to 1, that's no longer anecdotal. You're sitting there. You're evidence. You're science. And so that's the next level is to explore that into a clinical statement and then to be able to take that back and push it back into the market and into the pharmaceutical world and say, look, We found a natural solution.

21:24SpeakerYou need to recognize this and stop shadowing people from that. On those lines, Colton just went to the doctor on the 15th of May, and we talked to the doctor about writing his case study and publishing it in the medical journals, and they agreed. They will do it.

21:47BubblemanCongratulations. That's amazing. Yeah. That is very huge. I had a quick question in regards to how you were taking your medicine. Are you orally consuming it? Yep. You do orally consume it. Okay.

22:02SpeakerYeah, with that particular condition, that's the best way to do that. And it interacts in the digestive. Like, sublinguals aren't going to do nearly as much as taking it in oral capsule form. Yeah, we try to get it down to his gut as quick as we possibly can. Yep. I'll show you. Oh, I saw that kid online. He did a little video. Yeah, he's the any questions kid.

22:31SpeakerThe one other thing was, I don't know if you followed the story with Jack, the amendment with Jack in Colorado. Yep. He's actually on the program with Prana, and it was our sublingual that he was caught with, and... And basically, that mother, that mother's been through a lot. Yeah, she must be really well. She's a friend of mine. Oh, she is? Yeah. Yeah, so I'm really happy that that got pushed through.

23:00SpeakerAnd the transdermal that I brought on two times ago, when I finally get back, is a two to one to one. Transdermal for him, so we were developing that transdermal for him to actually wear during the day on a time release. It's a type of gel, and I was really happy to see that little small victory, that little small victory right there. For those that are watching, what Jack did was, there's a story out there, it's a patient, and his life is about Thank you so much.

23:49SpeakerFairly pretty good in school and then they kicked him out for using cannabis to help with his severe condition. And now they've amended that and they're allowing kids in that particular condition to be able to bring cannabis to school, which is huge, huge step. Huge step for what's going on.

24:11BubblemanWhich is funny that we think of that as such a huge taboo thanks to the billions of dollars of propaganda and the thousands of lives ruined. But in reality, cannabis at school, I mean, I can't imagine a school that doesn't have cannabis.

24:24SpeakerGood point.

24:25BubblemanI went to school. I remember that.

24:27SpeakerYep.

24:30BubblemanI'm just saying.

24:34SpeakerLittle different than how you went to school with cannabis than how we're talking about Jack.

24:39BubblemanYes, yes, it is. But you know what? Literally, how did we get to the same place? How did we get here just from smoking cannabis? How did cannabis teach us about all of this stuff? Just from inhaling it from what would seem like a recreational standpoint, and not only a recreational standpoint, keeping in mind 20 plus years ago when we were using cannabis, we were doing it with a great amount of Catholic guilt laid on top of the shoulders of that cannabis.

25:09BubblemanYou're a drug user.

25:10SpeakerIt's still there. I mean, that's what I was just tripping off of. It's how do we live in a time where the pharmaceutical companies have fooled us and all of our The families and parents to the point where, you know, we're even mind blown that you would help your child with the true medicine that's just sitting there. But the whole world is lying to us telling us that it's not there.

25:30SpeakerSo that's why I was thanking you before because it's just like you took that leap of faith to save your son's life without cutting his colon out, you know. And I mean, I'm truly impressed and humbled and It's emotional.

25:45BubblemanI think it's a great choice to make, and I think it's the first choice that should be made before surgery and before what I like to call pharmaceutical pills. They don't even try to hide the fact that the word harm is right in the word. Drop the P, pharmaceutical.

26:04SpeakerKeep the P in its person. Think about how many people, and I know this is going to touch home with Rick, but how many people have gone to fucking jail? Have spent time over this plant. How many people have been excommunicated from countries?

26:24SpeakerThe whole drug war is pretty much based off the fact that they're, you know, and funded by the fact that they're still able to arrest us non-violent cannabis users. I mean, I don't necessarily like to associate other drug users within the cannabis community, but those are people, you know, that are adults that are doing things that are not having any Violent or horribly negative effect on somebody else.

26:46SpeakerAnd the fact, you know, that the system is holding so many people's lives via this plan is absolutely, you know, it's horribly saddening. And we as a community just need to make sure we're continually doing things. Well, that's why we speak out. That's why we always yell. We are patients. When I became a patient a few years ago, I was afraid. I was terrified. I was harassed.

27:11SpeakerI was kicked out of the military and so I learned myself like every single one of you. Not only did I have to light the torch of cannabis to get my knowledge, I now had to light my own torch of freedom and carry it around and spread that knowledge person to person, one on one. It's always, the world changes still one on one. So it's patient talking to patient, finding other patient, reaching out, finding knowledge, sharing knowledge.

27:38SpeakerPushing the envelope. It's because so many of us along the way have is why we are where we are today. Are we where we want to be? No. But is today better than it was yesterday? Absolutely. Are we all working to make tomorrow better? Absolutely. So the future's getting there. Will we ever get there? No. But can we carry the torch together as long as we can and pass it on to somebody else, like this young gentleman and his brave mother?

28:04SpeakerI mean, I'm humbled and honored But it never makes me forget who I am as a patient and the sacrifices I've made and will continue to make because not only do I want to make my life better, it's my task to help others. To carry that torture freedom to help them because they don't have that access or that chance. So we have to take that risk not only as patients but as fighters of freedom to really spread the knowledge and destroy that misinformation by self-application, self-knowledge, and like you're doing.

28:35SpeakerYou're actually bravely going to your doctor and having your doctor document what's going on. What your video has done and your testimony has done is spread the knowledge to so many people That you're going to inspire other patients right now that are looking for relief. You're making them aware that I self-healed. I can do it. I'm a brave young man. You can too. So much respect to both of you and everyone here.

29:03SpeakerHell yeah, brother. And welcome.

29:08SpeakerI just wanted to really thank Colton and his family for their bravery and courage. It's really inspiring to see a family that is courageous and brave and strong like you are. And you're helping to stimulate the evolution of our culture and our global community by being so brave and strong. So thank you so much.

29:35BubblemanRed On Creek, thank you for the kind words. It's good vibes in Hash Church today. It's always great when people, when we started off with the right foundation, which is like a story like Colton's, that's pretty much what the light that I want to shine is. On stories like that, not really interested in self-promotions or promoting companies as much as just this sort of concept and this idea of this simple...

29:59BubblemanI mean, who would have thought, Wendy, that the medicine that you needed to help save your son's life is within your ability to actually even grow in your backyard? Like, grow in your backyard. You can grow this stuff all over the world. It's just... It blows my mind.

30:20SpeakerDon't get Colton thinking too much.

30:22BubblemanHe's like, I can grow it in the backyard, Mom.

30:26SpeakerActually, we are hopefully getting ready to start a little grow in our basement. I am horrible at growing. I killed a clone already. And I have a bonsai tree up there that really needs some help. But we're hoping that we can. Self-sustainability is really, really important, but we also appreciate the fact that people like you are making medicine for people like Colton because we don't have the expertise on it, and you guys do, and that's really, really important because we can't test.

31:07SpeakerYou know, we can't go to the labs and have our medicine tested because we're just individual patients. But caregivers and the dispensary people can and industry people. And that's really important. So, you know, we're still fighting the little injustices around, you know, the legislation about those types of things. You know, and definitely growing would be really, really cool to do. But I guess I'm really bad at it.

31:36BubblemanAwesome. I think it will be a very important relationship that you learn when you grow your own medicine. It is an absolutely inspiring experience and Tony's got some words on it. I'll let him continue.

31:50SpeakerI was just going to say it's a great inspiration to be able to grow your own medicine. It's very hard. It's not an easy thing to do. And, but when you do understand and you watch the flower, it's a passionate romance, if you will, because you're basically cultivating a female and you're pulling out the male from their... It's, it's counterpart. So it's, it's wanting to breed with, with, with something.

32:18SpeakerAnd so when you, you're, you're romancing this flower and you're, and you're trying to push it along and push back and push limits in it. And you're trying to push the resin and the oil content and, and, Every other day I get a lot of people that ask me the difference between hemp and cannabis. When you actually grow the two, you kind of see the difference. What we're talking about is cannabis sensimilia, and especially CBD strains, they're vigorous in creating these oils and essential oils inside flowers.

32:50SpeakerHemp is you're creating oil from seeds. That's really what you have to get in your mind. Oil from seeds, cold-pressed seeds, and oil from plants that don't produce resin and trichomes in the abundancy that a flower does. So when you start to grow these flowers, that's really what they are. They're like any other flowers that you have in your house. They're like a fruit. So if you have a lemon tree or an orange tree and you don't have the proper sunshine and the proper light cycle, you'll never get fruit.

33:21SpeakerAnd the same thing happens with cannabis. And so there's a hormonal change in that plant, and it has to do with its relationship with the sun and its energy with its light. And so that's like the experience that you'll find. And so the most important thing you really have to understand about your plant is environment, light, environment, and the beginner mistake is always pH. So if you're killing clones and you're killing your bonsai, because I happen to have a bonsai at home, And if you're in Colorado, believe it or not, the water that comes out of the faucet is around 8.5.

33:58SpeakerAnd so people spend tons of money buying 8.5 water. But the water in Colorado already is high. So what you need to do is you go out and you get a little time, you go to a cultivator or a grow store and you get a little pH tester and you test your water from your faucet and you have to make sure that that's going to stay at around 6.0, not 8.5.

34:20SpeakerAnd your little bonsai plant needs lots and lots of water at 6.0 and only two hours of light a day. So, yeah, I can tell you've got your bonsai in the sun. And so the bonsai, and that's why it's doing so bad. So that's what I was trying to explain is that bonsai, think about this, to make the bonsai happy, it needs high humidity, lots of moisture, low amounts of light because it likes to grow in certain areas in the world that produce that kind of environment.

34:50SpeakerWell, cannabis... Cannabis is going to grow on a 12-12 cycle. That's when it starts flowering. But if you kick it into 12-12 while it's two inches tall, you can screw up the whole cycle. So you want to learn about mature resin, mature oil, and how to cultivate those plants for a specific purpose and in a specific environment. And so it is difficult. And yes, you're right. That's why there's experts out there.

35:18SpeakerAnd at the end of the day, you might find that somebody can produce those little pills and give them to you at a lot easier method. But the satisfaction that you will get when you pull your first real harvest, no matter what it is, it really doesn't matter. As long as you go through the process, you'll thoroughly enjoy it. I also have a bonsai teacher and he told me that you will not learn until you kill your first hundred trees.

35:43SpeakerSo realize that is the reality. And then he also taught me it takes seven years to master each tree, which I think also applies to each genetic. I think if everybody actually grew a specific genetic on and off for seven years, you would have an understanding once you've made it sick, practically killed it and brought it back to life. That is what you need to learn to do.

36:04SpeakerThe biggest problem I've always found, and I think everyone can agree with me, is somebody who grows right in the garden once, and they think they know everything, and they think they're the greatest gardener, and then their next crop comes in, and oops, sorry. So growing is humbling. It's a learning experience. And as I said, there are no songs about farming. There's only laments. When's the last time you heard a Top 40 song about farming?

36:28SpeakerNever.

36:30BubblemanYeah, I would agree with that. It's definitely, it's the intense relationship of growing cannabis is, I've been, I've had an on and off relationship with it for about 25 years and I just cut some plants down the other day and it was really just a nice experience. The relationship that you learn with the soil to the sun to the plant and that terpene profile and You know, that once you remove yourself from the prohibition-based mentality, and the prohibition-based mentality is by them making it illegal, they created a profit margin that was extreme because, of course, nobody wants to go to jail for many, many years, so that adds the profit margin, and that's what makes people want to do it, and you get people growing for two of the very most wrong reasons I could come up with, which are how much can I get vegetative yield And how fast can I get it?

37:26BubblemanSo what those two things do is they cut off potential cannabinoid profiles from exotic Landry's sativas that are long flowering and very short, small yielding. Now, I have a strong, firm belief that those profiles are going to be recognized as on the high end of the medicinal chain of cannabinoid profiles. And the fact that prohibition It was like a chess move. They made it illegal, and then we were like, oh, it doesn't matter, we'll just do the underground, but we played right into their hands.

38:03BubblemanAnd you'll meet very few people in this world, Wendy, who are growing sativas in their basement, 16 to 20 weeks of flowering, and gaining very, very small yields, because the profit margin isn't there for that. So you... People like Colton miss out on these profiles because less people want to grow them, and that's the problem with prohibition-based growing. Once you grow for just the relationship of growing, you don't really have to pay attention to the amount of weeks that you flower for.

38:36BubblemanYou can just pay attention to the plant and watch it throughout its cycle, and when you feel that it's done, you can cut it down. It's really a beautiful experience. I think you're going to like it.

38:49SpeakerI have a couple quick suggestions. In terms of just grow tip. We want to hear from you, actually. This is your time.

38:59SpeakerWell, I think you could do well with looking up a recipe to make soil with the nutrients already added in organic forms, and you let the soil cook is... Hey, Kreek.

39:45BubblemanIs it possible that you send them some of your veganic tea?

39:54SpeakerIt would be possible to send a packet of amendments to amend a specific amount of soil. And I could send some pre-made tea bags so you could brew your own tea and make your own teas. But, yeah, I could send you a small package. I have so many amendments. And you could make your own soil. It's very simple. And for a small basement, it doesn't take too much work just to mix it.

40:34SpeakerAnd that way... It can simplify the process, so you just use water and maybe a little compost tea here and there, which, like I said, I could actually send these to you, or better yet, I just thought of this, I could connect you with my friend Jeremy Silva, who's based in Montrose, Colorado, and he owns the company Build-A-Soil, and they do great things with all these types of organic amendments.

41:00SpeakerBut I'd love to send you a box to just get you on the right track. It's very simple and it doesn't need to grow good medicine when you do it in the organic natural approach. So the two things that I would suggest you write down and look up is Super Soil for an organic soil mix that has all the nutrients needed already added. And then look up EM1, which is a very affordable probiotic inoculant.

41:33SpeakerThat you can use along with mycorrhizal fungi. So if you get mycos, which is usually suggested for the super soil mix, and then get the EM1, which is a liquid probiotic inoculant, and it's very affordable. And use those two solutions and that's it. Throughout the process, you'll be good.

42:01BubblemanThat's awesome, Creek. That is great information.

42:06SpeakerThat's how people should be growing. It's that simple. Everybody overcomplicates this plant and gives it too much shit. If you're at home and you want to grow medicine, what he just said is right on point. It's really that simple. And we use the same thing. It makes your life easier because now if you're in like 10 gallon soil and you're just pH-ing water and you're just literally, they sell the little analog meters.

42:35SpeakerYou put it in your soil and it tells you how your moisture is and it tells you the pH of your soil. And you can test your runoff of your water. So all you're really doing is testing your water going in and testing your water going out. And what he was saying about the tea compost, when you see your beautiful flowers coming, he's talking about like once every three times you water, you might give it a little tea compost.

42:57SpeakerAnd it's going to give it a nice little boost during the flowering. And you're going to watch an amazing experience of your resin grow. You won't overcomplicate it. You'll have beautiful organic buds. And who gives a shit about the yield? You're worried about the quality and you're worried about your medicine. And that's all that matters.

43:16BubblemanI agree, Tony, and what better way to show someone with a potential life-threatening disease or an immune suppressant disease, why would you want to even consider growing in a way that wasn't symbiotic and living and organic?

43:33SpeakerSo, Creek just sent me... And the yields can be totally different. I have to chime in there. The yields can match the other approaches with the simple natural approach. There's no question. I want that definitely to be known. I agree. I agree. You could see two to three pounds in soil all day. And I'm not really sure why people do hydro.

44:03SpeakerI was just going to say, I think the reason that this simplicity of how effective a simple natural approach can be isn't commonly known. It's similar to why the natural herbal medicine that works so well for you all, Colton, isn't known, is for the sake of corporate profit. There are companies that make nutrient lines and tell you that if you buy their stuff, then you can get the goods, kind of like the pharmaceutical industries, you know, so...

44:43SpeakerYou know, you'll feel better if you buy their stuff rather than going with the natural approach, which is more effective and simpler and healthier.

44:53BubblemanAnd not that you need it, Creek, but just to give everyone a little bit of a lowdown, Creek is in the heart of grow culture. He's in Mendo County in Northern California. I get the idea he's multi-generational. He doesn't look like he's a first-generation cannabis grower. Am I guessing right, Creek?

45:14SpeakerYeah, brother.

45:16BubblemanSo these guys have been doing this kind of for the longest. They really have really, you know, you've got to give props to Mendo and the Emerald Triangle and that whole area. They really also, once again, like from just the using of the herb, because there was no university teaching this 30 and 40 years ago, I can promise you, just from using the herb and that good Cali soil and that nice Cali sun and then, I mean, so much of the Cannabis forward motion that has occurred, a lot of it has come out of California, and a lot of it has come out of Mendo.

45:51BubblemanI don't think anyone could deny that.

45:55SpeakerThat's true, but on the other hand, I'm from Colorado, and I got a shout out to Colorful Colorado, but yeah, from Telluride, but The Mendo scene is really great and my group with Gage Green Genetics and the Probiotic Farmers Alliance and different collectives and groups. I'm with SEA, Soul Evolution Enterprise. We're doing our best to try to transform and encourage the more organic movement, but really there is way too much of the non-organic and the pesticides.

46:36SpeakerEven in the Emerald Cup entries, I was just talking with Alan Adkinson from Growkashi, who is a part of the Emerald Cup judging, and he's a panelist and whatnot. And he was saying about 95% of the entries tested to be not organic and improper pesticides were used in different things. So it's really something to be aware of and to be spreading the word, just like we're spreading the word that cannabis is a good medicine, to spread the word that the natural approach is so crucial and so overlooked.

47:16SpeakerWell, Prohibition has kept the chemical companies and the salt companies in business and has really pushed them forward with the hydroponic growing, et cetera, now with the level Thank you so much for joining us today.

47:57SpeakerOrganics has to be exponential. But on top of that, there has to be simple things on the market for the patients to access because it's so complicated. In the past, 20 years ago, earth juice was all you could get. And you know how great that stuff is. Right? So we know there are organic things. But when I was growing, we had to actually take bat shit and seabird shit and actually cook it down in a crock pot.

48:27SpeakerSo that we can actually break it down to the organic so that they were absorbable by the actual plant. And trust me, that stuff is complicated, it's messy, it's nasty, and if you don't clean that shit up immediately once you're done with it, dear God, it becomes a toxic fucking situation. So the problem is we still need simplistic organic... compounds out there and mixes and mixtures so that people have that option out there.

48:53SpeakerIf that option were available commercially, I think you would see a lot more people doing it. It's just my opinion.

48:59BubblemanTotally. And I want to thank Creek for sending me a little package. I can show you guys here his veganic special sauce. So he sent me a little box of these. I'm suspecting that's what Colton and Wendy will receive. And then he's also got Root Webstar, which is a fungal inoculant. And then he also has a microbial pure inoculant. I guess this is done right at the end.

49:22BubblemanAnd it's a flushing agent. And what does it do? It turns the leftover foods into... Explain, Kreek.

49:33SpeakerHonestly, I think that's Kyle Cushman's stuff. That's not mine. This is the stuff?

49:45BubblemanThat's not me. Okay, I thought this was the stuff you sent me, but okay, this is Kyle Cushman, Veganic Special Sauce.

49:50SpeakerYeah, that's Kyle's.

49:53BubblemanYeah, I think so. Weird, because we talked just the other day on the phone. You asked me if you would send me the three things, then. I'm still waiting for yours, then.

50:02SpeakerNo, we didn't talk on the phone. No, I mean on Facebook. I don't have your phone number. Facebook, Facebook. Oh, okay. Don't worry. Just a mistake. Okay. I think that stuff's great and all, but I think just a more simple approach even than those things is cool. Nice.

50:26SpeakerI was talking with Alan about this yesterday, and no hate on the veganics, but without animals you have desertification in an ecosystem. Animals are crucial in the biological chain. And his sources for veganic ingredients aren't my favorite, that's all. And it's just, you know, you have to buy that stuff rather than getting local nutrient sources and making soil mixes and using the simple natural approach, which I've learned through permaculture and natural farming techniques.

51:08SpeakerAnd, you know, I'm not knocking on it either. But think about this in the sense of nature. Take all of the animals off the planet and what do you have left? What do you think is going to happen to the soil? What do you think is going to happen to the earth? What do you think is going to happen to the oxygen? I mean, I respect, you know, people don't want to eat any animal at all or anything that comes from an animal, but they play a seriously important role on earth.

51:37SpeakerAnd we can't deny that. And there's things that go into the soil. And I would agree. I'm actually, we're in the Emerald Triangle right now. And that's where, you know, our works with UKAI and stuff like that is. And when you come here, you know, all of our buddies, and this is where Ernie, you know, my partner started, ironically. We started here six years, I pulled him out of here six years ago to go to Colorado.

52:02SpeakerAnd now we're going back to, uh, Emerald Triangle to, you know, go back and forth. But really it was about fine-tuning that mission and learning to cultivate resonance products. But ultimately, you know, coming back out here, my friend didn't change his soil the entire time we were gone in six years. It's the same soil. And it just gets better and better and better. And the... Jango's saying he's got soil older than that.

52:37SpeakerYeah, there's my other friends. You've got a couple different friends out here. Jango from MTG's got soil older than that. And, you know, my other buddy that's out here, I took a picture of, like, the little greenhouse that we had going, and that soil's five years old. It's just getting better and better, and the plants are the healthiest I've ever seen in my entire life. You know, so...

53:00SpeakerYou know, I think, I'm surprised that, you know, what I said earlier about yields was that you're just getting one more pull with hydro. And people, when Bubble Man was talking about the mentality of why you're growing, well, if there's people growing for profit and they're growing outdoor and they're trying to cheat with pesticides or they're growing indoor and they're using hydro to pull one more harvest a year, then that's yield-based.

53:26SpeakerThat's a different reason, you know?

53:30SpeakerYeah, exactly, Living Soil. What's up? Yes, the Living Soil. Another thing I can... Go ahead. ...is automated watering, whether it be sub-irrigated planters, like the Grow Box is a good option, or making your own. They're called SIPS, sub-irrigated planters, or just drip watering. A product that I can suggest called Tropf Blue Mat System. It's a blue mat ceramic cones that can sense the water level in your soil and automatically water when your plants need it based on the moisture level in your soil.

54:19SpeakerYou can do that or you can use and it just makes it so basically if you have the right soil mix Which you can find online. And you add some EM1 or compost tea. And have the automated watering system with pH water. You're totally set. No questions.

54:42BubblemanHey, I want to welcome Cuban Grower in the house. What's up, bro? What's up, bro?

54:48Cuban GrowerLooks like you brought... What's up, homie? My bad. I muted myself because I'm in the garden and it's hella loud. But I couldn't miss Hastridge, so I tried to figure out a way to incorporate both together.

55:01BubblemanHere you go, Colton. You need to build one of those in your basement.

55:06SpeakerHey, you need a Series 7 lens for your camera there, Cuban. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. You had quite the adventure with the Canadian border, eh? Oh, quite the experience.

55:21Cuban GrowerYeah, it was. I'd rather not talk about it because I want to go visit Canada someday and those guys don't play around at the border, bro. They really don't. You know what I'm saying? They don't fuck around. One thing I got to say is I should have listened to my elders, man. I decided to be the cool guy and I fucked up. But I paid the price, I learned my lesson, and next time I ain't going to fuck up.

55:50BubblemanYeah, well, you know what? It's all prohibition, my brother. You know, I don't think you fucked up so much as much as how can that reality exist where people, and I'm not going to go into your story, I'm just saying the border is where prohibition is at its strongest. Good people get treated very badly at the border because of this plant. And it seems like a very important factor that they're going to have to take into effect here soon is Because it can no longer be this zero tolerance insanity For something that is clearly not harming anyone and is in fact an essential food source to humans.

56:31BubblemanThat's sort of how I look at cannabis. I think of it as an essential food source that if we were consuming it orally, and now this actually goes for a question to Colton that I'm sure a lot of people will be asking. In regards to euphoric effects, are you feeling your cannabinoids in any other way other than through health? Or do you feel sometimes that you get the effects of being stoned?

56:56HoratioWell, when I take my medicine, I never feel high or stoned. I basically just feel normal, to sum it all up in one word. It has to be normal because it's helping my body. I'm not getting high or anything, but I feel like a normal person again.

57:17SpeakerSo, have you ever gotten high to know what the high is like for cannabis, just out of curiosity? He looked over at his mom real quick there. Yeah. Yes, thanks to... That's my fault. It was my fault.

57:30HoratioYes, thanks to a certain sugar cookie.

57:32SpeakerYeah. We... Just so that we knew the difference between the onset of actually getting high versus the actual medicinal effects which you see every day because people want to hear from you now because you're younger. They need to hear from you. I know the difference between the high, but I also know the analgesic effect that I get every single day from actually using this medicine. I think that is key to hear or for people to hear from you I think in the future is because You can dispel that disbelief greatly because of the fear of the children.

58:11SpeakerWhat about the children? Won't somebody think of the children? Well, you're one of the sick children who can attest, and you can speak from fact. So I implore that from you. The whole high situation is...

58:29SpeakerIt's overdone. I'm so sick of people saying, oh, well, you know, he'll get high and that's going to hurt his brain and blah, blah, blah. You know, he was on propofol when he had a colonoscopy. You have never seen a child in so much crazy psychoactive activity

58:59SpeakerIt was absolutely crazy. Some of the medicines that these seizure kids are on are way worse than any high that they could ever have on cannabis. It just makes absolutely no sense to me that everybody's like fighting, oh, they're going to get high and it's going to hurt their brain and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, here it is. We've got Colton high before, so we understood it.

59:22SpeakerSo we knew what he was going to be like and what kind of effect it was going to take him. Was he going to get crazy in the brain or was he just going to go to sleep, which is exactly what he did. But if you look at the fact that these seizure kids have brain issues, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:00:05SpeakerWell, that's exactly what they need. They need that cannabis to go back and forth in their receptors and make sure that their brain is working properly. And if it's going to work properly for a brain that's not working properly, what's it going to do for a brain that is only using its 1%? It's going to make it use maybe 1.2%, which is ridiculous.

1:00:30SpeakerI just don't understand the whole high situation and that it's hurting your brain. And that's one of the reasons why we did the PSA with Colton and the any questions. Because if you guys remember, there was a commercial way back when and it said, this is your brain on drugs. And they cracked that egg and it got all sizzly and looked horrible. And then they said any questions.

1:00:57SpeakerWell, this is Colton's colon. Mm-hmm. On cannabis, which is the exact push they were trying to get. You know, don't use cannabis. Don't use marijuana. It's a bad thing. This is your brain on marijuana. His colon, I mean, great.

1:01:13BubblemanYou guys absolutely nailed it with that because, and I'll explain something, the reason that everyone goes back to this last argument like, oh, you'll get him high. People have no problem if you cut into your son's body and remove parts of him, give him experimental drugs that will put him into fits of psychosis, potentially put him into renal failure, maybe give him brain damage, maybe even kill him.

1:01:36BubblemanDeath sometimes is the result of these drugs. And you have to understand with all the medicinal aspects of cannabis, okay, there are propaganda has turned those positives into negatives. What do we look at the stoned person has red blurry eyes? Oh, look at that person. He's all stoned with his red eyes. On the other side of the prohibition argument, there is, oh, you mean that person is relieving ocular pressure and potentially saving their eyesight from a horrible disease like glaucoma?

1:02:03BubblemanOr you can say, oh, he's got the munchies, ha, ha, ha, he's going to go eat a bunch of chocolate cake. That's funny when you're a teenager, but how about when you're dying of wasting syndrome from your AIDS medication, you weigh 93 pounds and you cannot stimulate your appetite, that is some life-saving shit. And all of the negative propagandas against cannabis, the stereotypes, just happen to be incredible medicinal benefits.

1:02:32SpeakerMunchies. I'm so glad that you said that. Colton, when he got here, he was around 80 pounds, around between 80 and 85 pounds. We thank God for the munchies. The kid is eating. He didn't eat before. I'm sorry, but THC is great when it comes to that. He has gained weight. He went to the doctor the other day. He was 102 pounds. He was actually on the growth scale.

1:03:03SpeakerThat's never happened before. You know those lines that you have at the doctor's office and they put all the little dots on there? He was never on the lines. He was always the 1% of the 1%. That's how small and tiny and sick he was. And THC and giving him the munchies, everybody's like makes fun of him, but it was the best thing that could ever possibly happen to Colton.

1:03:28SpeakerNow he's almost as tall as me. I think he might be taller. And he's gained... He's gained 20 pounds since we started cannabis, and he has grown at least four inches from complete growth failure. So that's what cannabis does.

1:03:45BubblemanSo looking through the eyes of a mother at her child wasting away and seeing the munchies, sure, okay, let them have their fun and make fun and whatnot, but really it's like Shame on people for being sucked into the propaganda and the brainwashing of allowing yourself to think that that's it. And I go back to this often, Wendy, the euphoric feelings of cannabis. It is one of the things that attracted us to the plant and it's one of the things that taught us about all the benefits of the plant.

1:04:15BubblemanI think of a small child suffering from cancer being put through chemotherapy, potentially getting surgical removal of organs or body parts, and I think that is such a terrible experience to go home and vomit for eight hours at a time. Who is to say that allowing a child to feel euphoric feelings while they're healing their cancers, how is that a bad thing?

1:04:39SpeakerWait, wait, wait. To actually enjoy your medicine. Oh my God. That's something that's a concept that's hard to believe. That's one of the reasons why they make medicine taste so bad. It's so kids don't enjoy it.

1:04:55BubblemanYeah, well, and that's the problem with cannabis. It just tastes so damn good.

1:05:01SpeakerYeah, well, the one thing I wanted to say on what you were expressing, just to add on that for everyone else that's listening to, I like to explain the... The safety profiles when it comes to drugs and you talk about how, when we talk about if somebody's getting high, well, if we look at cannabis and THC specifically being smoked, it has a safety profile of 1 in 40,000, LD40, so 1 in 40,000.

1:05:30SpeakerAnd so if you look at Tylenol, it has a safety profile of around 1 in 100. Opiates like codeine is 1 in 10. So what that tells you is that if you take 10 times the recommended dose of opiates, you die. If you take 100 times the recommended dose of Tylenol, you die. And I did an NBC money talk thing one time where I dressed up and went on TV.

1:05:54SpeakerAnd one of the things they cut in the live broadcast was they asked me if THC was safe. And I used that exact example. And instead of me saying opiates, I was nervous. And I said, yeah, if you take 100 times the dose of Tylenol, you die. They cut that out because, you know, probably Tylenol was a big sponsor of NBC and a big paying client and I should have just said opiates but I got nervous.

1:06:24SpeakerBut I wanted that to come out a couple years ago because when you think about something like that and you say, okay, you think my kid's really getting high. Well, If we look at the receptors in our brain and we have a block that has a hundred holes and a block over here that has a hundred pins and it goes together like this, then we have perfect synergy within our receptors.

1:06:46SpeakerBut if you have a deficiency and five to ten or twenty percent of those pins are missing, like a spark plug, when you go to put them together, you have something that's missing. And what they're recommending for you to use is opiates, which actually cuts Any information off from those missing holes. And so the difference between opiates and cannabinoids is the cannabinoids, once we start saturating those receptors, it starts filling in those holes.

1:07:13SpeakerAnd it says, oh my goodness, we need to grow those pins back out, and we need to connect the plug. And so it starts to actually do repair, regenerative neuro repair. And that's what the difference is between opiates. You can keep taking pharmaceutical drugs and blocking those Those holes in those pins and adding plaque to the other ones and eventually look what happened to him. He wasn't growing.

1:07:39SpeakerNow, you said something very significant. He grew four inches. Four inches. That's serious. That means think about what those pharmaceutical drugs are doing to every kid in this entire country and what they're holding them back from, holding them back from mental development, holding them back from physical development and lying to our people and saying, look, this is your solution. And ultimately, it's going to kill everybody.

1:08:08BubblemanIt's criminal. It truly is criminal. I mean, they want to criminalize cannabis use. It's criminal to put a family like yours in a situation where you have to leave where you're from. I mean, thank God that Colorado is available to you and that you can go there. I'm not putting that down, but I just think that it's truly criminal that you would have to uproot your life to escape the pharmaceutical model.

1:08:33BubblemanAnd the more that we talk about this, the more that we learn about the endocannabinoid system and the importance of phytocannabinoids in this relationship, You slowly become aware that the entire pharmaceutical industry is a phytocannabinoid alternative and that by making the drug war and making cannabis illegal, you know, they made a bunch of other drugs illegal so that organized criminal syndicates could fund themselves and be the enemy that they needed to have in place even though the war on drugs Is really a war on our children.

1:09:09BubblemanWhether your children is sick or healthy, if they're going to high school, if they're living in a police state, and they get caught with some herb, this can affect their life in a detrimental way, like you're not traveling to certain countries, you might have to spend time in jail, you might have to go to court. It's all just really quite criminal. And I just pray that a platform like Hash Church can sort of get that word out to more and more areas, not just what we call the choir, because we're all kind of the choir.

1:09:42BubblemanWe're looking for more mainstream to acknowledge this and to acknowledge the importance of how it can help.

1:09:51SpeakerPeople don't understand either that Colton is Pretty much a prisoner in the state of Colorado and he can't, if he was in the state of California or Oregon or Washington who they have legalization of marijuana, he's stuck here. He can't go home. He can't go see his best friend. He can't go see his cousins or his aunts and uncles or his grandma and grandpa. He's stuck here.

1:10:16SpeakerYou know, that alone is devastating to a teenager. And it's been really difficult for him and now that we have two other children and they can go home but Colton can't. And that's just wrong. I mean he can't, the only vacation that he can go on is in Colorado. Thank God Colorado is beautiful and that we love it here. And we love the people in Colorado for legalizing marijuana and giving Colton that chance.

1:10:44SpeakerBut he can't even go to Boy Scout camp with his Boy Scout troop here in Colorado because they're going to Wyoming for Boy Scout camp. So he's stuck here. He doesn't even get to do any of that kind of stuff, which is sad that now that we have to come save his life and he's a normal kid and he can do all these fun things with his friends and his family, finally, without a wheelchair, without being sick, without worrying about going to the bathroom 15,000 times.

1:11:14SpeakerNow he doesn't have friends and family here in Colorado to do that with.

1:11:19BubblemanWell, not to scare you, Wendy, but that is the power of the agenda. That is, if your child chooses life, this is what he has to give up. Because if he chooses death, he can have all that no problem. But he has to choose death. So that is criminal, and we're not going to stop until it's fixed.

1:11:43SpeakerOne of my friends, she just died yesterday because she had brain tumors and brain cancer and she didn't open her eyes to the fact that she could come out here and live and at least have a better quality of life because she wanted to be there with her family. That's not fair. That's not fair. To have to make that choice, it's not fair.

1:12:13BubblemanNo, it's sickening is what it is.

1:12:15SpeakerIt is.

1:12:16BubblemanSo it's why we're doing what we're doing. It's why you guys are putting your face out there and putting your story out there because believe it or not, there's an important barrier that needs to be connected, these two sides. You have your guys' selves who are a family that's moved from Indiana to try and find this medicine to choose life. And then you have guys like Cuban.

1:12:45BubblemanLook at Cuban, completely potentiating the stereotype of a pot grower to the T with the dreads and the beard. And I love it. I love him. I think he's a great guy. He takes it to the whole next level. He grows incredible quality resin, and then he takes it seriously. In how he decontaminates it. Now, it's a recreational bioassay that we come from where we are using this plant and we find guys like myself and Tony and Etienne and Cuban and many of the people in the room, a lot of us have used our bioassay from our recreational life.

1:13:21BubblemanWe know what the goods are and in turn when we point those goods to people like Colton, you see these miraculous benefits Um, in a health change, because it's important to have the right medicine. Go ahead, Wendy.

1:13:35SpeakerI have to say, if it wasn't for the 60s hippies and the, and that whole movement, the, you know, everybody's like, oh, they're hippies, they're hippies. Great. I love my hippies. Thank God for hippies, because they're the one that kept this plant alive for so long. And if it wasn't for those people, And the people that were doing it illegally and hiding from the government and doing it for their own enjoyment, Colton would be dead.

1:14:07BubblemanYeah, that is not a light statement to say. It's good to see you alive, Colton.

1:14:15SpeakerI just wanted to ask if y'all research juicing cannabis, either the plant or flowers. Yeah, so I incorporate that into our program. And so what we do is we take leaves during vegetative state before they go into flowering. And you could also take early buds in flowering. And then what you do is you use a non-masticating, so no heat, juicer. And you can juice that, strain that, and it's important to do a little strain on it to get the pulp and the fibrous out.

1:14:56SpeakerThen you can freeze that like ice cubes and then take them out of the freezer and cut them into little quarters. And then what I tell patients is apple juice is something that's 8.5. If you really had a severe condition and couldn't do apple juice, then you could take cucumbers. Cucumbers are 31 pH. And you could smash up cucumbers and make cucumber water. And then what you could do is actually add that quarter cube into the cucumber water.

1:15:25SpeakerYou could add a little stevia if you wanted to or something that would add something to it that you would take the little bite out. But apple juice is great. So with Crohn's patients or lupus, I always created superfood smoothies and gave recipes for that. So utilizing like coconut water, Thank you for joining us today.

1:16:04SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

1:16:26SpeakerDelivery systems. So you have to think about how to combine those two and what you would like. So you could take that juice in a smoothie or you could do it with kale juice. You could do it with cucumber. You could do it with apple. Some people do apple and carrot together, juice together. But it has a lot of benefits and I'll share with you one story in what it did.

1:16:53SpeakerSo there was a little girl that's 11 now And when she first started utilizing Prana and things like that, we did it for epilepsy and DeRay syndrome and a couple other conditions for paralysis and some severe situations she had. So once we actually started to control that from 80% to 99%, which was a miracle in itself, she was still left with lots of leave in it. She had lots of lesions in her digestive system from all of the pharmaceuticals and from having so many seizures every day that it developed these lesions inside her GI.

1:17:34SpeakerIn 30 days of taking raw cannabis juice in shots through her GI tube, she was given a clean bill. Thank you for joining us.

1:18:03SpeakerDr. If you eat cannabinoids or cannabis acids, that's an undiscovered territory. All I can tell you is it works very similar to any other fruit or vegetable. If you have broccoli and you have broccoli sprouts and you eat a handful of broccoli sprouts every day, that's almost equivalent to a cancer prevention Thank you for joining us today.

1:18:55SpeakerSo, it's readily available for $2 for a four-way split of that. We sell that all the time.

1:19:04BubblemanI would mention to, if you're Googling this, one of the doctors that's really big on this is Dr. William Courtney. He's been doing the juicing thing for a couple of years. And I would also mention that I have photographed seedlings and small fan leaves with my macro lens. And there are a variety of bulbous trichomes that are literally present almost immediately, even in a seedling. Once the cotyledon opens in the epicotyl, the first set of true leaves opens up.

1:19:34BubblemanI've photographed resin glands growing on those small leaves. So there are medicines on this plant throughout its life cycle, from when you crack the seed right up until when you harvest the resin.

1:19:52BubblemanWelcome, D420K. What's up?

1:19:56BubblemanHello, everybody. Hello, everyone. Hello, everybody watching. Doing good. Cuban's in the grove today. It's nice to see. He's got some trees in there. Rocking the Method 7s. You muted yourself. Tell us.

1:20:12SpeakerYeah, we need a tour of the garden there, Cuban.

1:20:15Cuban GrowerThat's right. It's hard to get a proper tour because I have all the nets thrown up. But yeah, I do grow trees. They're a little overgrown, I would say, before I flipped. But that's from so much high times focus and everything else, you know what I mean? It kind of lost grip of the garden. But overall, the health is good. I'm sitting under a nine set of cookies right now.

1:20:39Cuban GrowerThis set right here is a strain called Gushers, Blue City Diesel. Ross, two original cookies by a local breeder, hash maker here in Washington. Name is Kush for Breakfast and the strain is awesome. It smells just like blueberries. The structure is exactly like cookies, rock hard knots, very resinous. I'm looking forward to seeing it flower. My boy has it right now, week eight. It's looking awesome. But yeah, let me see if I can crawl out of here.

1:21:13BubblemanExcellent. It's not an easy job being a cannabis grower, particularly under the prohibition, the strong arm prohibition. Much easier in places like Washington and Colorado and of course California for many, many years. Up here in British Columbia and throughout Canada as well for at least 40,000 of us with MMAR federal licenses. But even with prohibition lifted, growing cannabis takes a lot of work. And I'm sure that anyone that's ever grown cannabis Thank you for joining us.

1:22:07Cuban GrowerUh, financially viable, I guess, where I kind of break even to the cost of a pound where I'm able to hash and provide really high quality, uh, for the patients here in Washington. So this side right here is form cut Girl Scout cookies, one of my favorite strains. This one, it's a, it's a whole nine set of it. So, you know, as deep as it goes, there's a lot of form cut.

1:22:28Cuban GrowerUh, this light in particular is a strain called Smarties. It's another phenol of the Blue City Diesel across to the cookies. I have, um, A whole side over here of White Cross 2 OG and Tahoe OG. And then back there, it's a big set of a strain that we like to call something special because it was an unlabeled clone. But I think I figured out what it is.

1:22:56Cuban GrowerI think it's a strain called Artificial Strawberries by Exotic. That makes the best full melt water hash I've ever had the pleasure of really trying. It's extremely greasy, almost like chapstick. You know, if you blow breath on it, it starts to melt. Very terpy. It just doesn't yield very high, but the quality is awesome. So we like to grow her too. So this is my day room.

1:23:24Cuban GrowerAnd you're right, it takes a lot of work. I don't really have a life because I have to grow a lot. That's why I'm on Hash Church here in the grow room. But you know, it is what it is. This, uh, This room right now is in the early parts of flowering. It's just going through stretch right now. A lot of free flowers popping up, a lot of weaving through the nets to kind of get a nice even canopy so we can grow a lot more flowers than the bottom larv, you know, by allowing light penetration and everything else.

1:23:53Cuban GrowerBut yeah, man, here in the state of Washington, though, soon I won't even be able to do this because they're going to be changing the laws and they won't allow me to grow as a medical patient. With 45 lights or whatever the case is, they don't care. So I might be relocating or might find another profession by next year, but I do enjoy growing. It's my favorite thing to do in life.

1:24:20BubblemanWell, thanks for sharing, Cuban. That's awesome. Always nice to walk through a nice little grow room. I can tell you put a lot of love into that.

1:24:29SpeakerHey, Cuban, do you trim all your larv off so you're only leaving the tops?

1:24:34Cuban GrowerYeah, so right now, if you see, I do have a lot of lower growth, but it's because I threw, I normally throw three nets. I threw two this time just for the tops. Once stretch finishes, that I'm done weaving and I have everything pretty much in its final squares on the net, I will start to cut the lower growth off. But I don't worry about that until like week three of flower, week four, and I'm certainly not there yet.

1:25:00Cuban GrowerBut regardless, I still haven't mastered quite how to grow in nothing but hard nugs from the bottom up. So what we're changing to now is grow beds, going to 4x8 beds and trying to put... You know, as many clones as we can per bed to create a nice even canopy, throwing the net right away as soon as we start vegging and shortening the veg time. Because right now I'm going one to two plants per light, so it takes me a long time of like training a tree, opening it up, breaking branches, so on and so forth.

1:25:40Cuban GrowerAnd in the end, what I notice is that I have a lot of like stems on the bottom of the net. So I want to improve my growing. And I think the way to do that is by trying to plant more in beds per light. So that's kind of what I'm gearing for next crop.

1:26:00BubblemanI want to talk a little bit about monoculation. Yesterday Horatio came by and he had an unbelievable variety of plant terpenes. He must have had six or seven different kinds and they were all super on point and smelled exactly like the strain. And he also had the pure THCA or pretty pure. It was damn near white. And we were playing around a little bit with first hitting his LHO.

1:26:30BubblemanWe dabbed some of this LHO. Wendy and Colton, if you don't know, Horatio is one of our friends here. Instead of messing around with hydrocarbons, he thinks of it as a potentially dangerous venture. He self-taught himself a lot of the chemistry that he learned. So he used terpene. DeLimonene, which can be pulled out of orange peels, lime peels and stuff, and it is also a terpene that naturally occurs in cannabis, and he uses that as his solvent to extract resin and then clean out to get this sort of medicinal product that we ended up trying yesterday.

1:27:07BubblemanThis is before he distills this, because once he distills this, He produces it into a very, very pure, extremely medicinal product that it almost feels like a shame to be using it in any recreational fashion because it is so completely activated and ready to go. But what I wanted to talk about was the effects, and you'll be able to talk about this with me, Ramon, because you were there.

1:27:31BubblemanThe effects of how we modulated the highs with adding the terpenes. Yeah, just pulls or pushes the high in such a different direction. Absolutely. It was changing the direction, and I wonder the importance for a guy like Colton, not necessarily to modify the effects, the euphoric effects that we're feeling, but I would like to open a dialogue in the discussion of terpene profiles and how they could be potentially taken orally to modulate cannabinoids that are also taken orally.

1:28:05BubblemanWho wants to go? It does. What do you think of that, Tony? I know you're thinking. Horatio, you got something to say?

1:28:19SpeakerI'll be honest with you. I had a text from my girlfriend who's in Italy. And she's on a different time period, so I totally missed her. I totally didn't hear what she said.

1:28:30BubblemanThat's okay. It's super easy, Tony. What I said was in regards to terpene modulation, Horatio came here yesterday with a bunch of terpenes. We hit the pure THCA, the white powder that he acquired. It was kind of one-dimensional and a little bit sort of, I wouldn't call it low. It certainly wasn't, it lightened things. It made our, You get a bit? Pardon me?

1:28:54SpeakerYou dabbed THCA?

1:28:55BubblemanYeah, we dabbed it and it was very one-dimensional and then it was like, now let's try it with the terpene. It was very light.

1:29:02SpeakerYou tried it with his terpenes to try to modulate.

1:29:05BubblemanYeah, well it definitely modulated without a shadow of a doubt, like it was happening. And then we also created some live sift or some terp sift where he added some terpenes To the hash, what my question was, was I see there's a benefit for our bioassay in the smoking and the inhalation of cannabinoids and how we can pass that information on to people who are using it like Colton for a much more medicinal reason.

1:29:32BubblemanSo my question was what you guys thought of the potential modulating effects for a person like Colton or Samantha or anyone else that's come and shared a medicinal story with us Do you think there's an ability to modulate cannabinoids through the oral consumption of cannabinoids and then the oral consumption or even sublingual drop or on the skin of terpene profiles?

1:29:57SpeakerOkay, well, I would absolutely say there is. That's what I do with prana is like having, when I say, hey, I have harlequin terps or ACDC terps or This tans terp or what those terps are, and it seems like it's fun and we smoke it and we mix it in with hash, but that's what's been going on with those different categories. So category one, I'm utilizing sativa long strains with citrus, grapefruit, tangerine, specific types of terpene profiles that are blended in there.

1:30:38SpeakerAnd then The second category is CBD terpene profiles. The third category is OGs and cushions with CBD terpene profiles. And the fourth one is kind of a blend of all of them. And so I absolutely think so. And had you guys tried actually putting some on your tongue, just put a drop of the terpenes on your tongue since you guys were doing that last night.

1:31:02BubblemanWe were mostly just playing around with the dabbing off of the silicon carbide nail. We filmed it and it was really quite something. I want to watch it because Horatio always just has a very unique perspective on things. He rolled in with a full card of perspectives.

1:31:22SpeakerThe one thing I want to add before he jumps in on this, this is going to give him some more ammunition and I hinted about it. Because we're trying to find out a few things about limonene and its reaction to other terpenes in how it's presented under pressure or heat. And there's some interesting things that we're noticing with the test results that I've posted, which comes back to the way these terpenes react.

1:31:51SpeakerAnd I'll answer your question. So when you have oranges and you squeeze, freshly squeezed orange juice, And you drink freshly squeezed orange juice. And you monitor the terpene percentage of, say, that limonene inside that orange juice. You find it to be a very pure concentration. If you did juice from the peels, you'd find it to be juice from concentrated peels, but probably not possess the entire profile.

1:32:23SpeakerAnd so when he's taking, so if you're taking really good cannabis oil, And you're ingesting it into your system and you're able to do it in a way that you're not extracting that with any heat and you're preserving all of the terpenes or you're able to restore the terpenes that were lost in that particular process, then you're getting the full potential of what that would be as a medicinal food would be for your system.

1:32:58SpeakerWho's mowing their grass? So, I don't know who's mowing their grass. Jibs is wondering who's mowing their grass. Let us dare him. Anyway, so the point of what I'm trying to say here is that absolutely, it's like saying, okay, are you going to take pure THC or pure CBD? The answer is no. You're going to take that with some form of modulation, and that's what those terpenes are doing along with other cannabinoids and other things that are going on.

1:33:28SpeakerWhat I mean by that is that sometimes the terpene starts a certain way, and then under certain conditions, it reacts with other terpenes. And it creates new types of terpenes or it creates new types of things that we're not able to monitor or study just yet. And in the... Things that are happening right in combustion and that's what's always fascinated us is such as when you do a UVH PLC versus a gas chromatograph is to see that spectral shot before ignition and then what happens after because I think there's so much missing that we don't understand and what happens at that Beginning of ignition, sub-ignition point, ignition point, post-ignition point of cannabinoids changing active electrons, binding to carbons, all these different things that are happening.

1:34:19SpeakerSorry to interrupt. No, no, no, that's exactly it. And so even the way we're testing things. So what happened was we decided to take some Gorilla Glue full melt and it tested like 77% THC. We tested it three times as three different samples without the lab really knowing. And we just did a way... That we looked at that and the terpene profile was really high and it was a really, really strong full melt that Jibs did.

1:34:56SpeakerAnd it was like around 15% terpenes in a full melt. And so we actually then made rosin from that and then we did a light whip and that's that white Gorilla Glue butter that you've seen me post and seen us post. And that one came back which would make sense because you're peeling You're peeling the heads off and you're basically doing like what I was saying with the orange or a grape.

1:35:23SpeakerYou're making grape juice or orange juice. And so, in that process, the THC should go up, and it did. It went up to almost 82%, and the terpenes went from 15 to like 5. 3.6. 3.6? 3.6. But now, there's a lot of odd variations in it. A lot of odd variations. So here's what, Jibbs wants to explain it to you. Yeah, so we ended up spending a good amount of time talking to the gentleman who runs these tests and We ended up learning a lot of cool pieces of information.

1:35:57SpeakerNot only did we test these two, this water hash and then this SHO, and we also tested Tony's terpenes. And we noticed a lot of strength, a lot of new things even for him. So on the SHO, even though it did show such a large decrease in terpenes in their specific testing lab and the 15 terpenes out of which they're testing for, There was still, I don't have that specific graph because he was still analyzing it.

1:36:27SpeakerThere was still a lot of peaks and lines at those specific points of terpenes that were still present in the raw water hash. But the HPLC headspace wasn't fully recognizing them as those terpenes because of the way they were They were absorbed into the headspace. They had different absorption rates. So they were still peaking at where those terpenes were, but their absorption rates changed at that point.

1:36:55SpeakerSo those terpenes somehow modulated or changed or went through a variation in that heat and pressure, which was quite interesting. Another crazy thing that we learned from one of Tony's terpenes extractions here was that There ended up being, every time they tested it three times as well, and there ended up being a peak every time at where THC should be. But the line that of which THC is always, or the line of which THCA is always, it just had a completely different shape from it.

1:37:32SpeakerSo instead of it coming down and making the little hump and then going across like THC does, and there's a specific range that it registers, The terpenes were registering right where THC would be, but then dropped straight off and doesn't absorb. And so, you know, the bottom line with that was it was .00014% THC, if it was THC. But I guess the long story short here is that terpenes under heat and different pressure can create other anomalies and other terpenes that

1:38:12SpeakerAnd so you're getting different aromas and you're getting different things created by that. And so it kind of makes sense that if you squeeze that orange juice and you have just orange juice, you would be losing other types of terpenes that you would have as part of the entire fruit, if you will. But you're creating new ones that might have a different effect. So it was pretty interesting.

1:38:44SpeakerAnd the fact that we were testing 82%, we were testing on an average of 80%, and then the rosin I did... Yeah, we tested, yeah, this solventless hash oil or rosin tested a total of 83.5% cannabinoids. The other one tested about 85% cannabinoids. We've been testing...

1:39:11SpeakerNumerous other CBD, hydrocarbon extracts, like some ACDCs and then some sativa strains, sour diesels and other OGs and CO2 oils in comparison to it. Most of the CO2 oils were only ranging from 60 to 70%.

1:39:31SpeakerI think the majority of the hydrocarbon extracts were coming back at 75%. So there is a lot of testing that is showing the possibility that with these certain strains and that with this process, you know, that Soil Grown has come up with a re-revolution in Jeff Church of using the screens for making the rosin and the solventless hash oil. It's really now showing that we're learning that we are having that ability to really push those higher numbers out of which...

1:40:01SpeakerA lot of these formal oil makers and the hydrocarbon community or hash community was saying that they were, you know, it was led to believe that that was always the most potent hash to be made. And now we're learning with these test results that that's not necessarily true. Yeah, I mean, I have some of these graphs here too. We're going to get the pure terpene profiles soon, so I'll share that next time.

1:40:31SpeakerWe're going to find out what terpenes are in the terpene pile. It'll be interesting. Hey guys, I don't mean to interrupt, but I've got to get going. My grandma's 80th birthday today, so I've got to get... It was very nice to hear your story, and thank you very much for coming in, Wendy and Colton. And yeah, take it easy, everybody. Thanks, Nick. Later, bro.

1:40:55BubblemanExcellent. My little son in the background making sounds.

1:41:03BubblemanWe just devoured a little breakfast here. That was good to hear you lay that out, Gibbs and Tony. Interesting stuff for sure.

1:41:12SpeakerWell, that segues into Horatio, though, because the scientists we were talking with, and even on our side, It kind of gives you an impression because when we were talking about the terp, the limonene presence that was here, there's a loss of the limonene between the two test results. And so what's happened is there's definitely heat applied to the limonene had changed and created different types of terpenes that weren't being registered in this process.

1:41:44SpeakerAnd so Horatio's probably going to be able to manipulate a... Don't do that.

1:42:20SpeakerI have to. It's the start of the season with cutting firewood. You've got to test your grip. But I ended up using my oil directly in the wound, just a combination of that and iodine, and I found myself identically high to the oral experience because I used the exact same amount as I would if I ate it orally in the wound. It just matched. But it seemed to This is what I was hoping Mark Skelton would be here for to answer.

1:42:53SpeakerI seem to totally be able to get high through the wound. As if it was sublingually active with the other ingredients we put in products to make them sublingual. So I'm wondering if what terpenes that remain in the product do still carry that barrier crossing ability because I was totally stoned within the standard like hour and 15 minutes, hour and 45 minutes. And I was shocked because I wasn't smoking which is usually what happens on orals.

1:43:23SpeakerAnd I'm like was that through my foot? That's totally through my foot. But I didn't have it set up in a transdermal, which isn't usually suitable for open wounds. It was just the raw oil. And that's kind of where I had new questions about which terpenes can be used in that way. Because I know I use cinnamon for the sublingual, but if it literally went into the wound, because I was looking for pain relief, I wasn't looking for inflammation or swelling, I was like, I need to stand on this foot and sift.

1:43:54SpeakerFor hours to come, so it ended up working and it's still working, but it... But it also went into the bloodstream, did it not? By going into the bloodstream from the wound, but also breaking down over time on the foot itself, going through the bloodstream, body breaking it down? Well, you would figure the circulation on somewhere like the bridge of your foot, which is not exactly the most...

1:44:17SpeakerIt's not your wrist or something spectacular where you could say, okay, the blood just... How does it just go into your bloodstream? Typically, you think of it orally, you eat it, and then it goes through your liver. Or topically, it's a low and slow mild experience, but this was identical to da-da-da-da-da, oh shit, it just kicked in. And it's like a half inch by half inch wound.

1:44:42SpeakerThat's kind of where I wondered what potential there is in... Making it something equivalent to what Dr. David Allen was looking for, which was something that could be put directly on surgery tissue, like on the heart to actually stop tribulation. He was looking for a spray that was water-based, but now I'm wondering, can cannabis naturally travel through an open wound? Because usually it's a non-poor like coconut oil that helps become the assist.

1:45:10SpeakerIt absolutely can. And if you ever use, if you ever use that on, so if someone gets a tattoo, you'll love this. So if you get a cut on your hand or you get a tattoo or anything like that, especially cuts, we would just use cannabis oil. But if you take the straight oil like what you're doing and put it on there, it'll heal faster than you've ever seen.

1:45:37SpeakerUm, and you will actually feel, um, whatever you're putting in there, because it's going directly into the blood. You know, you have an open wound, so it's going into your... It has antibacterial properties, too. Exactly. Um, so, you know, what we found was, when you're taking, we were taking, um, I was taking like almond oils and different types of essential massage oils and combining cannabis oil with it like a few years ago.

1:46:05SpeakerBut if you put this, if you put that on open wounds or you put that on a tattoo, it's amazing how fast that works. And the conclusion I came up with why that happens, again, is that like your system, your central nervous system is responding. And the endocannabinoid system and those particular receptors are We are working within that central nervous system. If you get a cut, it's going to try to heal that as fast as possible because you're identifying with almost like patching it.

1:46:35SpeakerYou're saying, okay, I've got a receptor here. I've got one in my peripheral organs in my digestive tract. They're also on your skin. If you're identifying and you're activating on your skin, My opinion is that it's being able to target that and a lot faster. You're kind of helping the system identify the problem quicker and locating it and keeping it stimulated. That seems to be true. Carl Sagan wrote that the human had to have evolved with cannabis under the Dr. X that he posted under.

1:47:09SpeakerSo his theory, and this is the great Carl Sagan, is that humans have existed along with cannabis and our cannabis usage for decades. Thank you for joining us.

1:47:46SpeakerWell, I was as much looking at the fact that I delivered, instead of going into my mouth and around my system and eventually targeting where the injury was, by going through the injury, it's a combination of both the organ of the skin and that open wound. It's first my foot heated up and, you know, I'm like, oh no, it's going to start weeping and oozing and all the scary things that happen with, you know, just grabbing, you know, an axe and finding a hole in your boot.

1:48:14SpeakerBut, um... With the repetitive, you know, twice a day treatment, it's, you know, the wound doesn't heal in the same way. It doesn't scab over and then make itself prone to all the other infections that come. It's holding the same state because normally I only, I resorted to raw honey. That's my normal base for doing this. But looking at the fact, if I can get this THCA to be pain relief, um, Real, real pain relief where it's happening than the transdermal application to the area of pain because people are chasing neuralgia.

1:48:48SpeakerIt has to go where this mystery ghost pain is. So they have to be able to use small amounts where it's occurring. But if it's really that powerful that I literally could have just cut myself and gotten high anywhere I wanted to as if I'd eaten it. We're going to be able to do a lot more in emergency situations where it's direct trauma. It didn't bleed and all of the typical panics that happen.

1:49:14SpeakerSo I'm really happy that the distillate comes out in a way that's already pretty much set to go in that fashion, that it can't cause any harm. It's only reducing it. Well, now you know why I never hang on to my transdermals. Someone's always asking me to make one for them. And it works so good that it's just unbelievable. And I like the oil application too. Instead of like a transdermal, just the actual oil and having like Arnica and almond oil and combinations of essential oils and things that are actually will be good for that wound.

1:49:53SpeakerAnd that's how I came back from knee surgery. I used the same application on my knee. And today I don't have a scar on my knee at all. People are like, you had knee surgery? And I'm like, yeah, there's not a scar on my knee. Because I think that as you're adding that, if you keep adding that treatment to your foot, watch what happens to your skin.

1:50:13SpeakerThere's no scab. It's like the strangest thing. It starts to grow and it goes back into like, if you could time lapse it, it'd almost be like it never happened. It goes right back into its natural position. It's exactly like when I burnt my hand on the nail and the skin turned the bacon fry white and I put it on and then it never blistered and then it never happened.

1:50:40SpeakerSo, I mean, because I knew transdermally, even when I read all the different products, I'm like, This can't go in an open ruin. It's wonderful if someone really, really bruised you, but as soon as that surface is broken, all of those ingredients now have a whole new spin that can get you sued, but just the straight cannabis oil doesn't because it's just that raw extract. The variables are cut down extremely that you really, really have a burn cream, a gash cream, a I'm going to skip stitches tonight and just roll with this cream.

1:51:14SpeakerWell, and, you know, the ones that I'm about to release are like that. That's why I'm doing a two-to-one-to-one. So now I'm utilizing those categories. So for inflammation, if you have more inflammation, then you increase category one. So that's your CBD. If you've got pain, that's THC. If you have muscle spasm, that's CBN. So now you can sequence that for chronic pain users post-injury. You can sequence that for post-open wound.

1:51:43SpeakerAll of that's about to evolve, bro. That's like... I thought you already knew. What's up? Well, I'm looking at it from the standpoint of instead of breeding a plant for CBN, people always think CBN is going to be this magical degradation while you're doing the process. Like, oh, does your process create a lot of CBN? And I'm like, no, I really would like 99% CBN, and I'm looking at ways to use light to degrade a THC plant into pure CBN before I extract it.

1:52:15SpeakerSo that I'm getting an inactive CBN to work with and then move up the ladder of derivatives. So different ways to basically trigger themed extractions rather than three combinations on the back end. I'm just literally trying to set up the plants for extracting. So literally leaving plants in the sun to create a CBD line out of any strains I can get my hands on. Yeah. So think about the trichome head.

1:52:40SpeakerI'll give you a hint on that because everyone asks me about the CBN. So think about the trichome head as fruit again. And when you see it turning little specks of red in the trichome head, you know it's getting very ripe. And so you know that that's CBN developing because THC is degrading. And you can degrade that on a plant. So if you have a high THC plant, and that's why people do sativas.

1:53:04SpeakerWhen you take a sativa long or you take an indica really, really, really long and try to match a sativa, those trichome heads would end up being almost all red. And so that same aging process, like you just said, CBNA is a better starting position in the race to get to CBN than it would be with THC.

1:53:29BubblemanHey, welcome, Joshua and Mark Scaldone. I spaced you guys. Sorry about that, but you guys are now in the room. Joshua is a well-known hash maker. Wendy, down in Oakland, California, and sets the bar high with his extracts. And Mark Scaldone is our resident scientist. He's like the smart guy.

1:53:55BubblemanHe speak big words. He know big words.

1:53:59SpeakerBlame it on Garcia.

1:54:00BubblemanNice. Did you get to see Hash Church earlier? Did you get to hear Colton and Wendy's story?

1:54:06SpeakerI did, and I was actually out cutting my grass. I was the guy cutting the lawn. I tuned in when Tony was talking about the orange peels. It's right around the time I started listening in.

1:54:19BubblemanOkay, okay. Well, Colton had a very powerful story. He's... He suffers from Crohn's disease and was very, very bad off in Indiana. They moved to Colorado, acquired phytocannabinoids, and turned his whole life around with the use of cannabinoids to the point of, I believe, fix this if I'm wrong, but he was in a wheelchair, you were saying? Yeah, so he was, it's a very powerful story, Mark, another one of those amazing Hash Church moments where strong people come and share their story and it's sort of really set the tone for everything that we've talked about since.

1:55:00BubblemanWe're, you know, now at this point we're in terpene modulation. We've talked a little bit about living soil with Creek, who's up in Mendo, and Horatio's just been telling us a little bit about his, he had some beautiful pure terpenes here the other day, nice, not fractions, but terpene profiles that he extracted off of half a dozen plants, and he brought some THCA, and he brought some D-limonene distillate, and he brought some D-limonene, and some Sift, and some Terp Sift, and we made a nice evening of it, so that's kind of where we're at right now.

1:55:34SpeakerOkay, so I can add a few comments based on what I heard when I was outside.

1:55:40SpeakerSo it's known now that there's two things that happen, is that the terpenes attenuate cannabinoid receptor activity in two different ways. Terpenes in general create a... It's what's called a hydrophobic molecule, which means it doesn't like water. It's very oil liking. And so in general, terpenes increase the influx of molecules in and out of the cells. And that doesn't really have a big impact on cannabinoids per se, but what that does is it just basically turns up the volume in the cell and it gets the cells kind of moving.

1:56:24SpeakerSo terpenes in general do that. But there's been a really exciting piece of work, I think, that came out of originally the Netherlands, but I think there was some more recent work that was followed up by some researchers in England that showed that they believe that there's some kind of inside-out signal to upregulate the genes that code for the cannabinoid receptors, that somehow the terpenes are responsible for that.

1:56:51SpeakerNow, remember what I previously said, which is terpenes in general kind of, I open up the cell for business, so you start getting a lot of different cellular processes that happen. They don't know if that's the mechanism that underpins the activation of the cannabinoid receptors, but I think it was the group in England that put forth the hypothesis that they believe that there's an outside-in signal to some unknown receptor inside the cell that terpenes bind to, and what that does Dr.

1:57:25SpeakerSo what you're doing is you're just putting a lot more cannabinoid receptors in the active space of the cell, so you're just going to have a lot more activity. So, Bubble Man, when you were talking about whether you're dabbing neat THCA versus THC with the terpenes, terpenes are definitely going to attenuate that That high that you get. There's no question about it. I think the mechanism, like what Tony was saying, the mechanisms of all these things are really still unknown.

1:57:56SpeakerAnd just to comment on one thing that Tony was saying, yeah, I mean, again, when you, the most fragile molecules in cannabis oil are some of these terpenes, especially the light terpenes. And so when those are heated up, whether it's in the GC or whether it's on the nail itself, yeah. They react, especially in the presence of air. They react with oxygen. And so it's really unknown how the terpene profile in the raw oil translates to the terpene profile that's inside your body.

1:58:32SpeakerSo that's, again, I think a whole lot of research can be done to try to understand that and look to see, like you were asking before, Mark, about sublingual versus dabbing. I mean, a lot of people have I've wondered about what type of, especially for patients and in particular children, what is the best delivery vehicle. I wholeheartedly believe that sublingual delivery is great because you're getting it into the circulatory system without going through the digestion in the gut.

1:59:04SpeakerCBD in the gut does not remain CBD. CBD in the gut completely goes to three different other cannabinoids. Metabolites? Dr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, CBD in the gut, the major metabolite is THC, not Delta-9, but Delta-8, which is the thermodynamic product. There's a couple studies that basically showed that when they took artificial gastric juice and treated it with CBD, they'd find a bunch of different molecules in there.

1:59:39SpeakerSublingual, I think, is the way to go. Just to follow up on this terpene thing, Again, when you put terpenes in your mouth, I mean, if you just suck on a lemon or suck on a lime or something like that, you could feel that tingling, right? I used to, I think the best part of a vodka and tonic is eating the lime, isn't it? I mean, it's like there is something magic with the oral absorption of terpenes, which is completely different, completely different than dabbing it.

2:00:11SpeakerWhen you dab it and you heat it up at those temperatures, chemistry happens. You can't keep that chemistry from not happening.

2:00:19BubblemanWhen you say light terpenes, are you referring to the more volatile sesquiterpenes?

2:00:25SpeakerDr. Yeah. Myrcene is what I would call light terpene. Yeah, the sesquiterpenes like beta-caryophyllene. In fact, beta-caryophyllene, they've now shown to actually bind to the CB2 receptor. So there was some, there was an interesting report, we could share it on the chat if you'd like, that showed that a whole plant extract where CBD was in there with beta-caryophyllate was much more efficacious than just CBD by itself.

2:00:57SpeakerHey Mark, question, referring back to you said that those CBDs turn into three different metabolites. I know like THC becomes a lexyhydroxy metabolite when it goes through the liver. That's right. Can you use those three CBDs? I mean, those three breakdown of those CBDs in the actual abdomen? Dr. Yeah, so what happens in the gut, so when you eat something and it goes into your gut, your gut is about two molar hydrochloric acid.

2:01:22SpeakerThat won't take up the pain off your car, although I think if you leave it there for a while, it could. So it's going to first get treated with acid in your stomach, right? And then from your stomach, then it goes into the liver, and the liver is a highly oxidizing environment. And so the liver's job is to detoxify toxins that come into the body. And so what it often does is it oxidizes it to then conjugate it with a sugar to make it water soluble.

2:01:54SpeakerSo the urine metabolite that's tested for is the gluconoride of the conjugated, yeah, 11-hydroxy, or I'm sorry, 11-carboxy, what's called norcarboxy, A THC, which is essentially the metabolite that stays in your body for like two or three weeks. It's fat soluble. That's the issue because it's fat soluble. It gets into the fat layer and then slowly is deposited into your blood. And what comes out of your urine is just all the toxic metabolites from your blood.

2:02:27SpeakerSo yeah, in the liver, it's a highly oxidizing environment. So yeah, by the time orally taken cannabinoid, I mean, that's exactly why... The guy who ate the pot brownie like 10 years ago had to take the next day off work because he ate the brownie, it went into his stomach, and then it got so polar that it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, but they get this incredible body THC high until your system is able to completely flush it out.

2:03:00SpeakerDr. One last follow-up question. Like last week when we were all, I think it was last week, we were all dabbing terps or the week before and I had suggested Tony eat it. Now when it comes to an oral, if the oral is happening over a long period of time, would you be up, if you take that terpene, let's say matched it, like let's say I took the terpenes out before I made this product, you took this product, would you be updating your high like...

2:03:27SpeakerLike how we titrate with the dabs by using the terpenes that way, because obviously eating it and then dropping it in your mouth, it's going to be gone way before it's active through your liver. Is it something that only once it's active, because we're all usually very high when we start dabbling in the terpenes. And it's the same thing why I thought if we have terpenes active in our system, adding THC will give the THC more of a high than if we just Wake and bake and hit the dry THC.

2:03:56SpeakerThe terpenes, how long are they active if we took it sublingually as a product? I have no idea. I mean, I'm sure that... You can't answer that, Mark? You don't know? Tony...

2:04:16SpeakerTony, I can't know everything, Tony. I need it for a product label. I just need to know how long this terpene will keep you going. Bryce was finishing up his product label for a launch, and he just needs to know that information, Mark. If you could provide that, he would be golden. I tell you what, let me look into that, and I'll tune in next week. Actually, next week, I'm going to be listening to Bluegrass music in Chicago.

2:04:45SpeakerWest Virginia. I won't be on Hash Church. But the following week, I will come back with some information on that, for sure.

2:04:52BubblemanI also think that it wouldn't be that hard, Horatio, for us to orally consume some of your active distilled LHO and then literally create, the same way you created the Terp Champagne, I'm sure you're a pretty smart guy, figure out a way to get those terpenes into a little inhaler or something.

2:05:09SpeakerCreate a mouthwash. There you go, a little mouthwash, a little Terp Wash. A little chirp wash. A little chirp wash out. Get fresh breath and help your teeth and sublingual at the same time. Rick's bonding with Oreo. Oreo's over here chilling. Well, it's just like a lot of people have asked, well, we've got these, you know, some version of a terpene, and we want to put it in our can of caps.

2:05:33SpeakerThis will make our can of caps extra special. And I'm like, well, by the time you eat it, that's a whole different thing than being in a high and injecting a rush of terpenes. So that's kind of why I went the other day. I use the terps on the sublinguals. The sublingual one is what I use the terps for. Because yeah, that was the thing. If you use it sublingually, it's helping do, basically I'm like skip the liver.

2:05:58SpeakerIn all instances, if I can skip the liver, all the better. That's why I was so shocked that the foot was able to skip the liver when it's such a low circulatory event being that far away from my heart. So that's kind of why I was like we have these terpenes and we don't necessarily have them in the right ratios that we have the THC in. So there's a lot we're going to, I'm trying to get those terpenes to do as many things as possible.

2:06:21SpeakerSo should we save those CBD terpenes for that person that's tripping? And that's really what's going to help them change their high. And it's not the CBD, but the actual profile. You're absolutely right. We may not even need CBD to get people out of these trips, but literally, like, when we came, it was a, what time did we start that session? The THC seemed to make everything stay sativa, even though we were hitting Indica Terps.

2:06:50BubblemanTruly, I had a hard time sleeping as well. What time did you leave here? 2 a.m.?

2:06:54SpeakerWell, I didn't go to bed till 5. You know, I got home and I just tweaked it. Well, and, you know, what's interesting is that I am in the same area as our friend here on Hash Church, and I surprised him at a secret session last night so that he could try the Terp Rosin, and he tried the Terp Rosin, then he had the Terp Chaser, and what was your experience with that?

2:07:21SpeakerIt was amazing. The onset from the, I felt the flood from the anandamide wash, Across the frontal lobe, I felt my tongue. I mean, the terpene profile itself, it just tasted like the complete pure essence of cannabis itself. Mark, do you remember back in the late 90s, somebody had the kind of that essence of cannabis they were using, that stone distillation process in Switzerland?

2:07:49BubblemanYep, they were doing it with the fields in Switzerland.

2:07:52SpeakerCorrect. His terpenes and that, it tasted... Spot on dead like that, but the onset was cannabis. It wasn't like that oil, but it tasted verbatim the exact same, and it tasted the pure essence of cannabis. So I can't thank you enough for one showing up and exposing us all, Tony, because that was mind-blowing and taste-expanding, and how long it sat on the palate, especially on the middle of the palate.

2:08:22SpeakerImmediate dry onset of... Cottonmouth. Yeah, immediate cotton. The flavors sat there and just sat there and just, it lasted longer than the onset of the anandamide wash and just sat there for a solid minute. Not oily, just very aromatic.

2:08:46SpeakerDid you feel like it enhanced your, after you had the actual Terp Chaser though, did you feel like you got a boost of anything else or? Yeah, I definitely felt the rush. It's almost like a CBD rush. You know how you get that energy kind of feeling? It was definitely like that.

2:09:01BubblemanThat's what we were getting yesterday with the Terps. Energy. It was like we were all just like energized. Even though at one point we hit the Bubba, was it the Death Bubba? It was like major heavy Indica. We were even vaping. That was the one we started off with. The UBC Chemo Kush. Yeah. And hitting like it's sativa.

2:09:23SpeakerIt's very mentally awakening, but focusing also. It didn't take it on that high where you're so like, meh. I was very lucid and in the moment, but I could definitely feel the onset and all the aspects of it. The narrowing of the lobe itself, the frontal wash, and then just, but the energy to communicate and talk because we were all fully engaged because it was all heads talking major nerd speak.

2:09:46BubblemanNice. Well, I mean, my... Oh, go ahead, Tony.

2:09:50SpeakerI can't wait to get in the same room with Horatio one day. I think it's going to happen sooner than later. It was crazy. I look forward to that, too.

2:09:58BubblemanI'll be in that room.

2:10:05SpeakerWell, I had a question, because Tony, now we have like Rick and Ramon that have been able to cross the borders to experience two sets of terpenes that don't seem to register like any other terpenes before, but one thing I do notice, and this may just be whatever the subtlety between the difference between them, but we're able to dab almost borderline as much terpenes as we want and not get that Emergency overload.

2:10:37SpeakerI'm not getting the... If I dab straight limonene, I would get a lung reaction that would shut me down. But the terpenes that I isolate don't seem to build up that... It's straight perfume. It's not like an essential oil. It's like straight perfume, and it doesn't seem to scorch in the same way because basically we had a spill, caught it on the parchment, and started to get away with it.

2:11:05SpeakerI think what's up, this is what I think what's up. Yeah, this is what I think what's up. When we finally get in the same room, because I've also been working some people here, and they're on the front end in the research side, There's bass tones to terpenes, just like there is bass root notes and there is with music and bass and guitar and stuff. And so there's bass tones and there's different octaves and different tones of terpenes.

2:11:35SpeakerAnd I think when we get together and we combine all of those, I think we get the full frequency. You know what I mean? It comes down to the tech. Well, that's it. I know I wanted to only pull a specific frequency that was to be studied for its rareness. I wasn't trying to get it all. So, that's kind of where everyone showing up with Steam Terps has a, it's a more get it all experience, which is cool, but...

2:12:04SpeakerIt smells in a completely different spectrum, and not just from degradation. It is literally grabbing something completely different than I'm trying to grab. It's like I'm pulling a fraction and trying to pull a standardized fraction. That's what, so there's high notes and low notes. So if you're doing something in cold tech and negative 50, like you're taking that water off the top of washed plant material and you're going negative 50, that's a cold process and that's a different tone.

2:12:31SpeakerIf you're steaming, you're not going to get what you want because steaming is going to be 190, 200, 250. You're going to get temperatures that basically just do popcorn oil. And so there is a way to do that and that's what I've been focusing on is trying to get Utilize both those frequencies. And I think you're tapping into something unique as well. And when we combine that technology, I literally think it'll be the holy grail.

2:12:59SpeakerWell, not only the grail, to really go back to what I was trying to convey in words, it wasn't really to convey, but my body felt, Tony, you had the key. You know when you hit something and your body tells you, eh, this isn't right, this isn't right. It felt right. It was like the keys matched the lock perfectly. That's how I would describe it. And that's very rare in my instances in cannabis.

2:13:30SpeakerWell, thank you for that. I appreciate that comment. But, yeah, I've never tried Horatio's Terps, though. We've just known each other online. And so we've got to get in the ring, bro. We've got to duke it out.

2:13:48BubblemanI just got a little message in Hash Church on the Facebook page and someone... This gentleman says, watching church and realizing how I can help Wendy and her son by giving them some genetics. Maybe I can help to teach a basic grow method to them as well. I'm a local Denver breeder and I want to share my medicine. If someone could please connect us together, I would love to help.

2:14:09BubblemanI feel like this is my calling in life, to help others and educate them a bit to help. So there you go, guys. That's in the Facebook Hash Church page. We'll get you the link to that and you guys can become members and you'll be able to get in touch with that guy and... Maybe he'll give you guys some genetics and some lessons.

2:14:27SpeakerAwesome. Hey, I have one question for you guys. Because most of your conversation is like completely way over my head. What do you think is the special cure that helped Colton? I mean, he takes just a normal little capsule of Okay, so, um,

2:15:15SpeakerHis body is absolutely starved for these cannabinoids such that even in small doses it has such a dramatic effect. We saw the same thing with Nya, Jessica Hawkins' daughter. She could be in the middle of a grand mal seizure and one drop of oil in her tongue and the seizure stops.

2:15:44SpeakerIt just indicates how the magnitude of affinity that the human body has for these molecules, that even if there is digestion and even if there is degradation, even the low amount that is getting in there is having such a miraculous effect by doing its action on the endocannabinoid system.

2:16:13BubblemanInteresting. The real bottom line, Wendy, is that because they starved the science for so long, because it's really groups like ourselves that are trying to forward this, it's really time to get connected with the labs and connect the labs with the patients in a way that we can actually monitor Thank you so much for joining us.

2:17:04BubblemanThat message getting through from cell to cell and the way it works is using that right fuel. We seem to run on this fuel and if we can have it, it's seemingly miraculous like Mark's just mentioning a girl in a grand mal seizure and then all of a sudden one drop and she's not seizing anymore. Is it a miracle or is it an essential food source that most people are deficient in?

2:17:31BubblemanI think it might be the latter.

2:17:33SpeakerAnd that's where I go back to what Carl Sagan was stating, because we've evolved with this plant so long, is that the last time he had cannabinoids was probably the last time you gave breast milk to him as a child. And so by having the body and the brain of him became a desert. So when introduced with the cannabinoids, it was water in a desert that basically helped the brain and the body Turn into a forest again.

2:18:05SpeakerIt became natural. It became nature. It didn't become a wasteland anymore. It had the natural plug-ins. And as stated earlier, those natural key to the lock that was naturally inside of him was always there. It just never had the key that was there to unlock and allow those other natural things that happen when we have the proper cannabinoids inside our system. That's why he grew four inches.

2:18:31SpeakerI mean, that blew my mind. I mean, it brought me to tears because I was like, wow, that means everything's working right. That means everything's connecting. Everything is clicking. He's back to normal because he has what he was missing. And what we now need to know is what is that exactly? Because there's other children like him out there right now who need this medicine. There's mothers out there right now who need to hear this.

2:18:58SpeakerThank you for your story as a brave mother because they need to know that I can take that risk because there's a brave mother who took the risk that helped her child and her child is living and has a quality of life that he would have never had before. But that's because you took that risk. You're a brave mother. You're a strong woman. You listened. You risked everything.

2:19:19SpeakerYou can lose your child to child services, but it was either death or Or losing your child through that way. And much respect for choosing the path that you have, because you have your son, and not only that, you will continue to have your son. And those keys are out there. Now we have to understand, and hopefully your doctor, as you said, will document his cannabis usage and what it is so that others can benefit, so that the science is out there, it can be peer reviewed, people can see it, and Mark and them can finally Thank you so much.

2:20:25BubblemanI would add to that as well that I lost my train of thought. I'll come back to it.

2:20:42SpeakerOkay, so I have another question. How, now that we have, that Colton essentially has clinical proof, That cannabis worked. And his doctor is going to publish his case study. Where do we go from here? We need to know the science behind why this helped Colton so much and how it miraculously made him healthy again. There's got to be tests. There's got to be... You know, they can...

2:21:21SpeakerThey know so much stuff about all these other drugs and all these other systems in your body, but we don't hardly know anything about the cannabinoid system, and we don't know why it works as well as it works. So we need to get the science going. How do we do that?

2:21:40SpeakerI like what you're saying.

2:21:44BubblemanI think that's what we're in the middle of now doing, Wendy, with a lot of different companies that are opening up throughout the U.S., up in Canada, in Uruguay, soon to come in Jamaica. And I myself have a company in Jamaica along with John Burfellow, and we're partnered with UCAN. It's called Cannabinoid Research and Development. And it's these things like this that we do want to get started.

2:22:08BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:22:27BubblemanTo just find out, A, to show its efficacy and its safety, so then all the floodgates can open to, okay, well now it's like there's no reason. I mean, you have to understand the only reason that people would try to keep this from other people, that's like a profit-driven corporate agenda. You know, why can't we do the science? They made it illegal for doctors to even prescribe cannabis back in the 70s or do any scientific research on it for so long.

2:22:55BubblemanThey just claim that there's... I mean, our health minister here in Canada still claims that there's no medicinal benefit to cannabis. And I would love for her to sit in a room with you and your son and say that to your face. I would love to see the reaction that you give her.

2:23:11SpeakerWould you like me to send you his colonoscopy results?

2:23:15BubblemanI mean, really, it's... Yeah, deny that.

2:23:17SpeakerI mean, there's... It's absolutely there. You go from February 6th A colonoscopy that was ridiculous. 22 centimeters of disease bowel. His colon was, or his ileum was the size of a coffee straw. Ulcers, fistulas, you name it. And then completely clear. You can't deny that. You can't deny that.

2:23:44BubblemanWell, it's amazing that some politicians are still attempting to deny it. I'm happy that in certain places it's happening and we're able to get the medicine to the people that need it. There's still so many places. I mean, while we sit and talk about this, for instance, Rick's father served 27 years in prison for cannabis, for basically removing cannabis, smuggling. So it's like for acquiring a medicine that could help someone like your son, he's served 27 years in prison and he's not even halfway through his sentence.

2:24:20BubblemanSo these are criminal activities that are occurring to good people. And these type of dialogues, in my opinion, help in breaking through to whoever we need to break through to. Like you say, what do we got to do? What do we have to do to get this science? Like, why aren't we studying this yesterday? This is completely insane. Colton's healthy, but guess what? There's a bunch of other kids who aren't.

2:24:46BubblemanAnd there's a bunch of other adults who aren't. There's people who are suffering from An unbelievable range of disease that could be benefited greatly, potentially as miraculously as Colton was, to the intake, to the ability to be allowed to take phytocannabinoids. That's really all we're arguing for here. Let us have access to it without any shaming, you know, like a parent should never be shamed ever for giving their kid phytocannabinoids.

2:25:21BubblemanWhen he was born and you were feeding him breast milk, that breast milk contains cannabinoids. Cannabinoids and essential amino acids, which are the building blocks to life. So I don't think it's a great mystery or a surprise that cannabis is one of the only plants that produces all the 11 essential amino acids that the body needs but can't produce in the perfect GLNA to GLA ratio that the body requires.

2:25:49BubblemanAnd produces phytocannabinoids as well.

2:25:52SpeakerWendy, I would recommend reaching out to the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Rick Doblin, he's a great cat, and he's done research regarding MDMA, et cetera, but he is also a lead researcher regarding cannabis and can put you in touch with people who can document also. Again, Rick Doblin. Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. It's called MAPS. I've worked with him dating back 20 years from the 50th anniversary of LSD.

2:26:26SpeakerBut he has pushed forward and he's working with Dr. Sue Sisley with her and assisting her with her research into the VA and cannabis. He can help you document as well as point you in touch with researchers who can document. But you're asking what you can do next is... Basically, write a book. Become a spokesperson. You have a very powerful true story that other people need to know.

2:26:55SpeakerAnd people need to know how to reach out to you. And you can spend all day on the internet at a certain resolve. But if you put out a book and you put out information that's really true, it's going to reach so many people on so many other levels. And there's publishers out there that are willing to publish and push your story. And there are talk shows that will be willing to have you on Just spread the word of what's really happening.

2:27:19SpeakerThat's if you want to do that because you're asking what can you do next. Well, document it. Use that research in a way that can help other people. He is only one case. One case will not a full study make. But his testimony and your strength and testimony can really push and help others come out of the darkness, come out of their closet so they can be aware that, hey, there's hope.

2:27:44SpeakerThere's a chance for hope. So let's reach out for that hope. And where can I find that hope? And my mom, my brother was born blind without eyeballs. And so out of it she started an organization called American Council for Blind Parents. And this is in the early 1970s because there was no way for a parent who had a child that was blind that they could get information, okay, regarding that information.

2:28:09SpeakerSo she started that because she knew what it was like to have a child without eyes. That was blind and there was no access to any type of information or data. So maybe start an organization, you know, a Crohn's organization, a Crohn's cannabis organization so that it brings awareness and that his story brings awareness. And as he goes, he can document it, put it up online so he can continue to document his health.

2:28:34SpeakerAnd so there's a resource that people can access and get access to. And that type of activism through capitalism will Help so many people because it's a real, honest, true story that can get out there. And it's honest and it's easy to do. Just take an outline of what happened in history and then put paragraphs to it. Next thing you know, you've got your story, you've got your book, and it's done.

2:29:00SpeakerAnd you can go out to publishers and they're going to jump all over it. And that message is going to get out and spread the word in ways that we will never be able to do on HashChurch because we're only 600 people watching here. But you can reach the New York bestsellers list and reach millions of people around the world because this is a worthy story. You took and risked everything and it's the true story of life and a story in an age now where cannabis is now on the cover of Time Magazine.

2:29:28SpeakerIt's on the cover of National Geographic right now. Get the fuck out there, woman. Take this child's message and be the banner for other people out there that are dying right now, that died yesterday, that are looking and still wondering where that hope is. And know that you have given them hope. It'll give you all a strength and a belief in yourself that you've never had before.

2:29:49SpeakerAnd people will rally around you and believe in you. And you'll become a hero to so many that you already are. So go accept it at the level that is worthy that you should. That's my humble opinion. Thanks. We really do try. And we, you know, Colton, like you said, Colton's the only voice right now. I mean, there's not a whole lot of pediatric Crohn's patients that we have.

2:30:12SpeakerAnd that's one of our biggest obstacles is that he's a lone voice. And we have, and the seizure kids are so important. I understand it. But they kind of, you know, they have the limelight right now because Colton's the only one. So we have to find more people that have Crohn's disease that are being healed with cannabis so we can get the message out. And, you know, it's, he's the only

2:30:44SpeakerWe're trying as hard as we can to get the word out. We need help. Help us, guys.

2:30:57BubblemanHey, Greg just came in. Greg is a long-time UK activist, and he is also, I believe, a sufferer of Crohn's disease. Correct, Greg?

2:31:07SpeakerYeah, man, how's it going, Mark? Nice to see you, Ramon. Yeah, I've had Crohn's disease for about 14 years now. I got diagnosed only when I was like 21. I'd been suffering for about eight years before they could even put their finger on what it was. I tried to tell them it was Crohn's, but I don't know how many people have I experienced with the NHS, the National Health Service.

2:31:34SpeakerIt's no way too late. They like to deal with the symptoms when they're way past needing to sort out. They'd rather treat the symptoms than stop them from happening. Unfortunately for me, it was a little bit too late, a little bit too much damage had been done. I was on about 16 different pharmaceutical pills a day, you know, lots of different strong opiates, steroids to control inflammation, chemotherapy drugs to control my immune system.

2:32:03SpeakerI just wanted to basically break that down and start again. And it was literally a win-win situation.

2:32:18SpeakerI had a lot of good friends out there that I've met over through the Radical Rust show who just said, you need to use more cannabis. So I did that. I went out to Colorado in 2011 and met up with a lot of people, a lot of good people at the normal conference out there. It was their 40th anniversary. And so with Paul Token and Bo out there and Bo gave me my first dab of hash oil, some cheese outside the Denver State Capitol building on 420.

2:32:50SpeakerSo it was a good way to celebrate it, a good way to remember. And from there I just sort of went on my little hash mission across America for six months. And that was when that purging, you know, it was just sort of like hitting the scene. I just got invited around to lots of different people, making a lot of different oil, and saw how it was done.

2:33:13SpeakerI got incredibly healthy. When I came out to America, I could only eat fish, potato, rice, and chicken. You can ask any of the guys that used to go around with me, take me out shopping to get my food, and I had to read the back of every packet of anything I bought, because I needed to check there wasn't something in it that was going to hospitalize me.

2:33:33SpeakerBut I came back to the UK. I think I put a shout out on Facebook within a week and Ramon was the first person to answer me. I said, who wants to make a mash? And he hit me up and I think we were open blasting out of his back garden a few weeks later. I'm running some bubble hash off some trim we've managed to scrounge off someone, but yeah, we just got on it, and it's mad how things have changed in the last four years.

2:33:55SpeakerI'm still here, I'm still alive, I've only used cannabis as my medicine in that time. I don't take any opiates, any pharmaceuticals or anything, and I've been in hospital a couple of times, but there were a few little accidents. I had some MSG in some instant dashi, which just... Actually dehydrated me and knotted up my bowel and I refused to take any medication while I was in hospital.

2:34:19SpeakerI was in there for three days because I couldn't, I literally tried to drink or eat something and I was just throwing up because it literally shriveled my bowel up. I wouldn't be able to fit a pencil through there. And they said on the x-rays, my bowel started looping up and into sort of like knots. But I refused to take any anti-inflammatories or steroids or anything like that, which they wanted to give me, kept coming and offering to me.

2:34:43SpeakerI said, do you need anything for the pain? I said, no, I've got my CBD here for the inflammation. I've got THC here for my pain. And luckily, I was put in a private ward, just a room of my own. And I was in there for three days. I had my rig and my vaporizer. And I just... I used that and it popped out the window and after three days they were happy with my inflammation and my pain and the looping in my bowels had ceased.

2:35:10SpeakerI was rehydrated again and they sent me on my way. After all that, after they've seen that that works and I didn't have to take any pharmaceuticals, save the hospital money because we don't pay for it at the end of our stay there, they still won't write a letter to say that this man uses cannabis, it's his medicine, it works. In fact, my specialist refuses to see me now because he says there's nothing I can do with you, you want to use cannabis and I can't do anything with that because it's illegal.

2:35:41BubblemanWow, and are you consuming orally as well as vaporizing?

2:35:46SpeakerYeah, I have edibles pretty much every day now. Today's the first day I've not had an edible in about three weeks because I did a six-hour train journey yesterday. I've only been back today, Sunday, so I'm just chilling out. I'll get back in the kitchen tomorrow. I've got a freezer full of fresh trim in lunchboxes, so I need to get some bubble bags, actually. I lent them out to my friend a while ago.

2:36:10SpeakerI need to get them back. We'll call him out on that. What was I saying, Matt?

2:36:16BubblemanI said call them out on Hash Church. You've got to be careful when you're lending out those bubble bags, I'll tell you.

2:36:21SpeakerYeah, Johnny Lyon, give me my bags back, bro.

2:36:24BubblemanWell, I've got a Crohn's Day special. I'm going to send some bubble bags to Colton, and I'm going to send some bubble bags to Greg.

2:36:32SpeakerYou guys, I'll send some bubble bags on me, brothers. That's awesome, man. Cheers very much. I love tuning into Ash Church. It's awesome hearing all the knowledge out there from around the corners of the world. I was just explaining to my girlfriend that you guys are the pioneers of the hash world and the cannabis game and it really is interesting just seeing the level of conversation that's going on now where there's only like four or five places in the world where it really is legal to do this thing and how it's going to be in ten years when we actually have got a similar situation over here.

2:37:07SpeakerWhat people are expecting, they're going to be able to go in and buy legal cannabis. That's not even going to be the same as what it is actually going to be. There's going to be preparations there that are going to blow people's mind if they could only look through the lens right now.

2:37:24BubblemanThat's it. Once we really realize the preventative aspect of cannabis, not necessarily waiting until we require it to heal ourselves, which is a great alternative, it is very medicinal, but the preventative aspect of cannabis is monstrous. Dr. David Allen is big on promoting that. He, of course, is convinced that heart disease, stroke, and diabetes would be prevented Thank you so much for joining us.

2:38:09BubblemanPaintings for the pharmaceutical drugs, and it's this big crazy loop. The way they've created it, like, very easy for them to keep you out to get in. How do we go about doing this? Well, there are loopholes that we can use, but they've put up some very big walls over the course of the last 50 to 60 years. And, you know, like the Drug and Peace Treaty Act, these different acts that they've passed that countries have signed, Make it a little more difficult than it should be for us to just simply be able to, A, let brilliant minds plant and let people have a platform to tell their stories when the plant is working for them.

2:38:53BubblemanThat's simple. Those are statistics that absolutely have to be allowed and can't be manipulated. Out of existence by not allowing them in, you know, I guess the game, as they could be calling it. Because to them, maybe it is just a big game. It's a sick, twisted agenda that puts people in prison. There's nothing worse, there's no way that anyone can convince me that there's anything worse than losing a child.

2:39:22BubblemanAnd so, to me, I'm getting very sensitive when this cannabis prohibition thing pushes into these boundaries Of doing that very thing, of allowing people not just to suffer, but then allowing even for it to go as serious as it could possibly go, which is death. The loss of a family. And that's happening every day. That's happening yesterday, and that's happening today.

2:39:45SpeakerWe're both happy to have it tomorrow.

2:39:51BubblemanYou know what?

2:39:53SpeakerThis is our last resort. It should actually be our first resort.

2:39:57BubblemanI agree. 100% should be a first priority. It's a benign, safe plant that has almost zero negative effects. Why wouldn't you want to have access to that first before any type of surgeries, any type of harsh experimental pharmaceutical drugs? Recently, I spoke with Jonathan Zade, who's a young patient here in Canada. Maybe I can invite him into Hash Church today. He woke up when he was 14 years old, and he woke up with a very specialized kind of headache, and it never went away.

2:40:34BubblemanSo he's had it for eight years. I believe he's 22 years old now. And he started CFAM, which is Canadians for Safe Access for Cannabis. And he's quite a brilliant young guy. He convinced the insurance companies here to pay for his cannabis. So that's a very big breakthrough. Once the insurance companies start allowing it, that's one of the ways the pharmaceutical companies have an edge. Because pharmaceutical drugs, as you know, not only will they allow you to feed them to your son until he perishes, they'll even pay for a big chunk of it.

2:41:12BubblemanSo they won't pay for something that clearly helps and can save his life. And so that's the thing right now, one of the things that we need to get changed. And it's kids like Jonathan Zaid, another gentleman from Germany, Alex Jun, who's also getting an insurance company to pay for his cannabis use. I think if you're using cannabis and there's this medical system in place, That, of course, it's in the insurance company's best interest to allow people.

2:41:42BubblemanIt's going to be less expensive than pharmaceutical drugs, and it's going to be a far better outcome, at least, like you say, for a first choice.

2:41:50SpeakerWell, and along those lines, when Colton was using westernized medicines, we have a stack of medical bills and medical history of what he was going through. He was constantly sick. He was always in the hospital. And then in 2014, we asked the doctor to give him a colonoscopy because there wasn't any reason for it. And we were like, yeah, but he hasn't seen a doctor in six months.

2:42:21SpeakerAnd he didn't need to. He hasn't seen a doctor. He just saw the doctor the other day and that was just because they wanted him to sign a paper for the This is the IVD study that they're going to start. And they said, okay, well, we'll see you back in six more months.

2:42:37BubblemanWell, this is the twisted world.

2:42:38SpeakerWe haven't had the bills and the doctor's visits that we did when we were seeing a westernized doctor every couple of weeks. We were in the hospital with something else.

2:42:50BubblemanAnd these guys should be paying Colton now to come educate them once or twice a week.

2:42:56SpeakerYeah, no kidding.

2:42:57BubblemanI mean, holy smokes, a lot of these guys now, in their defense, they are not taught about the endocannabinoid system. It's not taught as in their curriculum. They do get taught an incredibly diverse and complex curriculum that breaks most minds. It takes a long time to become a doctor, and I respect doctors, but I don't so much respect the scenario of getting locked into a system That allows you to breach your Hippocratic Oath.

2:43:23BubblemanAnd it's a simple oath that involves taking care of and helping people, healing people at no expense to their health.

2:43:33SpeakerIsn't that what the oath is about? Is to make sure that you're taking care of a patient to the best... To do no harm. To do no harm. That's what the oath is about. Bingo. Do no harm. I can add a few things to this discussion. I enjoy listening to this. There's a couple issues, and I think that one of the things that I'd like to bring up is you asked about the research and the research that needs to be done.

2:44:03SpeakerUnfortunately, the pharmaceutical industries have a lock on all of the major hospitals like Mass General that does a lot of work with Harvard. The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, right up the road from me. I mean, there are major institutions in the world, not just in the United States, that can do the clinical work to prove the efficacy for patients. And I'll just say it, I've said it many times, if you can ever relieve a illness or any kind of medical condition with an herbal remedy, It should not only be allowed, it should be encouraged.

2:44:44SpeakerAbsolutely. And you see the issue is, is that the reason why the pharmaceutical companies have a lock on these hospitals is that they're testing their medicine and it costs a lot of money. Hundreds of millions of dollars to run phase two, phase three clinical trials. Hundreds of millions of dollars, okay? So they're only going to run those clinical trials on something that they can patent. Because they're not going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to teach the rest of the world what you can do with something that they don't own, right?

2:45:21SpeakerSo GW Pharmaceuticals is a perfect example. The GW Pharma over in the UK has got both Epidiolex and Sativex in Phase II clinical trials. But what those clinical trials are going to show Is different cannabinoid ratios having effectiveness in the clinic on real patients? But at the end of the day, that's all items of public information. So are you going to go get your Cetivax down at the CVS drugstore paid for by your insurance plan made by a drug company?

2:46:02SpeakerNo, you're just going to go to your local gardener and say, I need 20 to 1. I need 10 to 1, right? The best medicine is going to come out of a garden, not out of a pill from a store made by a drug company approved by the Food and Drug Administration. This is not a drug. It's an herbal supplement, and it should be regulated as such.

2:46:26SpeakerIt is not a drug. Drugs are made by drug companies, right? I mean, this is just, again, And I just want to share one story here in Pennsylvania that really has me upset, and that is that our medical bill is not the most perfect bill, but we did get it passed through the Senate, and 88% of Pennsylvanians want medical cannabis, especially for the children who are suffering from diseases.

2:46:56SpeakerAnd it passed our state Senate, 40 to 7. So 40 of our senators voted for it. It now is off to the House of Representatives where we don't have this level of support that we need and it's been given to a guy named Matt Baker who is the, he's a doctor and he is basically in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies. He's gotten campaign contributions from all the pharmaceutical companies.

2:47:28SpeakerAnd this guy is basically going to take the bill and throw it into the dustbin. After 88% of the people that is in the state that he represents, his district in our state represents less than .4% of the population of the state, yet he has, one man has the power to basically subvert our medical bill Because he's been bought and sold by the U.S. pharmaceutical companies. And he said the only way that he wants to see medical cannabis rolled out is if the FDA approves it and it's dispensed by a drugstore.

2:48:11SpeakerBullshit. He is such a, I don't even want to call it here on public TV, but it is really just very, very disappointing when all of these people have done a whole lot of work, including the mama bears, Here in Pennsylvania, just to have one man basically throw it out, it's ridiculous. We don't live in a democracy.

2:48:35BubblemanYeah, that's a shame for sure. It would be nice to see the mama bears with their children just literally approach that guy and get that on film and say, so you want to tell me that I should choose allowing my child to have 300 to 400 seizures a day?

2:48:50SpeakerIt's crazy, Mark.

2:48:52BubblemanLook in a wheelchair, be nonverbal.

2:48:55SpeakerThese are the same people that have threatened Jessica, you know? That shit sparks revolution, though, I'll tell you that much, because you know what?

2:49:03BubblemanYou don't want to corner a mama bear.

2:49:07SpeakerThat's right.

2:49:09BubblemanSeriously, that's like no joke. We've got bears all over the place up here, and they're all pretty chill, but if you fuck around with a mama bear, and you get between her and her cub, it becomes violent very fast.

2:49:21SpeakerThere is no way that you're going to take his medicine away from him. You'll have to do it to me, and that's not going to be fun.

2:49:28BubblemanNo, who would want to? What level of evil do you have to achieve to stand up against a person like yourself and say, there is no medicinal benefit to cannabis, what you're doing is wrong, and we should not allow you to continue to do it? That is the crazy world that we're living in right now. So hopefully dialogue like the one that we've had this morning... Can sort of somehow help light the fire.

2:49:53BubblemanIt's true, we don't have too many people. There's about 640 people watching, but I guarantee you 15 to 20,000 will see this in the first two weeks that it's up. And hopefully more people can share it and get it out there. And look at that, Jonathan Zade just popped into the room. We were talking about Jonathan a little earlier in regards to him getting the insurance company to help pay for his cannabis.

2:50:16BubblemanAnd welcome, Jonathan. I don't know if you can hear us or see us. Or if we can hear you, we can't see you at this point, but it's nice to have you here in church with us. Good church today. There he is. Hey, how are you? I'm doing good, Jonathan. How are you? Welcome to Hash Church. Good, thanks. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. I told a little bit about your story, but if you want to give a little bit of a better, more articulate version, I think that it's a great time to do so.

2:50:47JonathanSure, yeah. So I started using medical marijuana on my 18th birthday, actually. My mom gave me a joint because I tried 48 prescription drugs and none of them had worked and she just really wanted to see me find something that worked. So I tried that joint and it provided a bit of relief, but I never really thought it was that helpful. But when I went to university, I kind of surrounded myself with cannabis-friendly people and I started using it as medicine and accessed it from dealers, but some weeks they would have strings that were really helpful and some weeks they ran out of those strings and it was really hard to access medicine.

2:51:24JonathanSo finally, when the MMPR came into effect in Canada in April 2014, I got a prescription for medical marijuana. But then I started realizing, you know, at $6 to $10 a gram, it seemed okay at first. It was a little bit cheaper even than what I was accessing before, but At the same time, you know, using a two to three grams a day, that really started to add up to more than most students could reasonably afford, including myself.

2:51:51JonathanSo I basically started talking to my university, the University of Waterloo, and asked them what cover, if they would be willing to cover it, and they came back and said, no, it's not an approved medicine. It doesn't have a drug identification number, you know, or a Health Canada approval, so they're not going to approve it. Under the plan and I met with them, I provided them all kinds of evidence about the benefits of medical cannabis treatment, how it was helping me.

2:52:20JonathanI had a clinical evidence from my physician showing how it helped my sleep and they took that all into account and they actually decided that they should put medical marijuana onto the formulary on a case-by-case basis for the university students because it should be treated like a prescription medicine.

2:52:41BubblemanExcellent. Well, that was a big move on your part for certain, too. I guess what we're talking about, you know, we were literally just talking about sort of trying to get cannabis just to be treated as a natural food product, but I liked your approach of getting into the model that they're already using and sort of play the game on their playing field. It's like, okay, you guys want us to play your game, I'll jump in, but it's like you're going to have to at least, how can a student be expected to pay $10 to $12 a gram?

2:53:11BubblemanFor their medicine that is, you know, in some cases essential to quality of life, in other cases literally like life-saving. You know what I mean? Not just quality of life, but life-saving. Like Colton's story, who I'm not sure if you heard a little earlier on, but Colton and Wendy who are in the room have a very powerful story in regards to his medicinal use of cannabis and how it literally, you know, saved his life.

2:53:39SpeakerJonathan, what is your condition and what pharmaceuticals were you on?

2:53:44JonathanIt's a rare headache condition called New Daily Persistent Headache. Basically, you wake up one day with a headache that never goes away pretty much. I know people that have had it 40, 50 years. And there's no line of treatment. So basically, they try everything. They start with anti-epileptics, then move to antidepressants, and then pain meds and opiates and all those kinds of things. But really nothing works.

2:54:08JonathanSo it's basically just trial and error and, you know, like trial, use trial and error for 48 medicines before finding medical marijuana.

2:54:17Bubbleman48 pharmaceutical drugs from antidepressants to things that weren't even used for headaches.

2:54:24JonathanYeah, and weren't used for pediatrics either. I mean, that's part of it. And then when I bring up medical marijuana, they say, You know, it's this drug and it's so bad for you, but at the same time, you know, we know it hasn't killed anyone directly. So lots of these other drugs have killed lots of people. So it really is a weird dichotomy between the physician and patient, I find.

2:54:48JonathanSo eventually, at the end of this insurance case, I decided to form a federal non-profit organization called Canadians for Fair Access to Medical Marijuana. To help proliferate the message and help really get other students and other Canadians covered because as you said I think that this should be treated under the existing systems that we have. We have very good healthcare in Canada so why not use the models we already have such as provincial formularies and things like that to help people access their medicine at an insured price because these licensed producers Thank you for watching.

2:55:40BubblemanWell, it's definitely, I'm all for fair access to cannabis regardless of the model. I love people being able to grow it for themselves. I love people being able to go to dispensaries. I love that LPs can exist and produce large amounts with high standards and do extracts. I'm hoping really one day soon Canada gets on the ball with the extracts because it is the medicine of the plants.

2:56:06BubblemanWe do have a great sort of healthcare system here, but they still don't really recognize that the resin is the medicine from the plant. I've used the metaphor quite a few times that we're allowed to order the pizza, but we are forced to consume the pizza with the box. If we open the box and take the pizza out, which is the equivalent of extracting the resin off of the plant matter, this is considered illegal still in Canada, so I'm not sure.

2:56:31BubblemanYou, even yourself, Jonathan, in a sense, Are in breach of the MMPR because of vaporization is an extraction process. Isn't that ridiculous? Do you know what I mean? Even a woman taking her cannabis and putting it in a tea, like just in a tea bag and soaking it in water, she has now extracted the resin. And under the MMPR, she has broken that law. So our system needs a little bit of fixing, but I do thank it for existing.

2:57:07BubblemanI am myself an MMAR, so I have a grow license with 99 plants. I'm allowed to have up to 10 pounds of cannabis or extracts at my house. We lucked out in BC thanks to Owen Smith and the case that saw that the judge changed the ruling from how we recognize marijuana, they call it dried marijuana, and that means it's only the plant matter, it's not extracts, it's not the resin.

2:57:37BubblemanSo what that judge in that case did, just for British Columbia unfortunately, is he struck down the word dried and he made the term a broader term, just Marijuana, which I hate that kind of term myself, but cannabis, and it's basically everything. It's all that cannabis is. It encapsulates everything that is cannabis. So you could have 10 pounds of seeds, you could have 10 pounds of herb, you could have 10 pounds of extracts.

2:58:03BubblemanAnd that's also being fought in court as well. So we have these laws, but we're kind of in limbo. My view personally is that I recognize and hope for as many models as possible to get people like yourselves, like Wendy and Colton, the medicine that they require, safely with as high of a standard as humanly possible.

2:58:32BubblemanThat's my two cents on that. Welcome back, Horatio.

2:58:36JonathanI exactly agree. I think it's about fair access, and just my area of focus is students, and students have coverage, so it just makes sense to go with that model, so that's really my area of focus, and that's why I choose to talk about it, but I totally agree that a hybrid of the systems makes sense because that way most patients can get access that they need.

2:58:58BubblemanNo, I love what you're doing, Jonathan. And in fact, earlier when Wendy and Colton were like, what else can we do? And Etienne just gave an incredibly moving sort of like cultivating activist speech. Thank you.

2:59:41BubblemanIt's really very good. It's a very good hash church today. We've had an amazing flow. We've been going for three hours, and I don't think we've had a lull in the quality of information that has been shared today. It's been really great.

2:59:57SpeakerNot as much hash smoking either.

3:00:00BubblemanWell, you know what? It's so intense. It's been an intense hash church, and this is really what hash church is all about. I feel that when it's more just us sitting around smoking, it's a little bit more of a disappointment than, I don't know, I just feel like there's forward motion on this dialogue. And it's, I'm sure that everyone agrees in chat right now, there are 614 people hanging out and watching us right now, so that's very cool.

3:00:32BubblemanExcellent. Yes, there you go. Just what he said as well, Darren, right when you said that. That was perfect timing. Very happy that everyone made it into Hash Church today. Hopefully you guys can all make sure that you get in touch with one another. There is a Facebook group. It's a closed group. You can join called Hash Church. You can join each other. Connect to each other through Facebook if possible or email.

3:01:01BubblemanYou know, Colton, you might want to check, hook up with Greg who's been suffering with this for quite some time and using cannabis as well. You know, Jonathan and Colton might want to link up as well. And just anyone that needs to pass on messages to one another, like that other gentleman in the Hash Church who said he wanted to help you guys, his name was Greg as well, I believe, Greg Little.

3:01:27BubblemanWe can all link through the hub of the Facebook group that is Hash Church and exchange emails and get in touch with anyone that you need to get in touch with. And I really implore everyone to keep things transparent and open and there's no, we don't have to be secretive, we don't have to hide, we can just keep things transparent and then it reduces the dramas and it makes everything just better.

3:01:50SpeakerI think that's the mission statement here at Hash Church.

3:01:59BubblemanIt must be just so strange for you, Wendy, to have just come through all of this and then to just, it's like when you realize the world is upside down and you realize that lawyers are destroying justice and police are abusing the law and doctors are destroying health, it kind of is, you could become a little bit disenchanted with the world. So you find something like cannabis and And it's like, guess what?

3:02:26BubblemanWho cares if lawyers are destroying justice and the police are abusing the law and doctors are destroying health? Because I found something that works. And it's pretty incredible.

3:02:39SpeakerIt definitely has. You know, our life was actually turned upside down when he was diagnosed with Crohn's. And we had more anger and we were more in the unknown. Until we started cannabis. And now we're like, hey, this is great. We've got a normal kid. This is exactly what we wanted. I still don't understand why people would think this is such a negative thing and why more people don't take that giant leap of faith like we did and say, you know, the only side effect is that it may not work.

3:03:24SpeakerThat's it.

3:03:25BubblemanWell, the propaganda is strong. Billions, if not more, has been spent. Let's, you know, not to always keep going back to the most depressing fact of all, but Rick's father is sitting in jail for 27 years for cannabis. Rapists, pedophiles, and murderers have come and gone and come again. That is so wrong on so many different levels. There's work to be done, let's just say.

3:03:51SpeakerAnd I love that this forum has been fantastic. And not only, you know, has it been very welcoming, but the information that you guys are giving out is just ridiculous. And we really appreciate everything. And I do believe that, like someone said earlier, I can't remember who it was, it's time to stop preaching to the choir. We need to get out there and show that hopefully the 600 people that are watching know one person that they can go talk to and say, hey, listen, cannabis isn't this negative thing, and open their eyes to the fact that it could help them.

3:04:31SpeakerWe just need to stop preaching to the choir. We need to get out there and show the world that this is good.

3:04:36BubblemanSo true. It needs to be normalized beyond belief. I said the same thing. We do the exact same thing with hemp. We've been so compartmentalized for so long that we ourselves compartmentalized hemp. And when someone shows you a hemp article of clothing, they'll tell you, hey, check out my hemp shirt. And by doing that, they have put themselves In a room with no cotton and no bamboo and none of the other fibers, they're trying to promote, do you ever show someone your shirt and say, look at my cotton shirt?

3:05:08BubblemanBecause cotton is normalized and that's what we need with hemp and that's what we need with cannabis. Just normalize it. Phytocannabinoid Flintstone type vitamins for kids, saturate your endocannabinoid system, teach Doctors about the endocannabinoid system. It's insane that they're not learning that. That to me shows the incredible power of this agenda. And this agenda produces hundreds of billions of dollars of profit based on the suffering of your child, other people's children, and other adults around the world.

3:05:44SpeakerIt's really... The pharmaceutical companies are making billions of dollars by bypassing the ECS. The ECS is the body's own mechanism of maintaining health, and it is completely against what the pharmaceutical companies stand for, which is bypass all that, put some toxic compound in there that we own and we're making a ton of money on, and the point is is that You're just managing side effects, right? I mean, look at the toxic side effects of some of the medications that Jessica had NIA on.

3:06:27SpeakerOh, it was unbelievable. Unbelievable. Her bones have been embrittled because she's been on a regimen of steroids for the last four years. She's on barbiturates. Mark, that would put me and you in the ditch, my friend. I mean, she's on barbiturates that would knock anybody off their feet. And they're giving this to a 10-year-old kid? These are doctors, right? These are part of the pharmaceutical machine who get kickbacks for prescribing drugs, and they get nice multi-day junkets down in the islands.

3:07:05SpeakerFor making billions of dollars of profit for this industry. This industry, I think what David Allen said, Mark, in his video is that The endocannabinoid system is going to turn the medical industry and the pharmaceutical industry upside down and inside out.

3:07:23BubblemanWell, you know what? It can't happen fast enough because it seems like a small percentage of people are suffering from this, once again, David Allen quote, McDiliac hijacking, where their switch is just locked into a fight or flight mentality. They're getting themselves away from the ability to feel compassion or compassion. Love, for that matter, and a level of cruelty is unnecessary. I think that if I had my wish, I would say, look, let's just print off a bunch of trillions of dollars for these sociopathic maniacs and just give it to them and say, here, look at this, you have more money than the whole world.

3:08:03BubblemanNow go away and just allow people to have this medicine. I mean, is that all they're doing it for is money?

3:08:10SpeakerLike, can't we just... Figure out a way. Dr. The endocannabinoid system doesn't govern everything in the body. Certainly, for certain medications or for certain medical conditions, you need life-saving medications. You need antibiotics when you have an infection. There are certain conditions where, again, there's no herbal remedy to make you better. What we're talking about here with Wendy and her son is certainly This is the kind of thing, again, that, like you said, Mark, it's just not normalized.

3:08:46SpeakerYou wouldn't think, well, geez, before I go to a doctor, maybe I should just take a supplement or something. I mean, you have to think of cannabis and the resin that comes from cannabis as a vitamin. It really is. The definition of a vitamin is a molecule that you take into your body that serves as a catalyst in certain enzymes, and your body needs things like vitamin C and vitamin A to maintain normal function.

3:09:17SpeakerNow, again, there are disease conditions where either through your body's own metabolism or your own diet, And you're not getting enough of those vitamins, so what you need is you need to supplement, right? So you need to take vitamin supplements. Often during the menstrual cycle, women should be taking an iron supplement because they're losing a lot of iron in their blood. And especially if they're vegan or vegetarian and they're not getting a lot of iron in their diet, you need to take an iron supplement to maintain your health.

3:09:52SpeakerThis is the same damn thing. Some people have medical conditions that their body's own ability to make their internal cannabinoids, the endocannabinoids, are just compromised for whatever reason. So by taking phytocannabinoids, you're supplementing it. And by taking it as a whole plant extract, again, this is what we were talking about before with Horatio, was that the terpenes that are in there are synergizing. Again, we were schooled.

3:10:25SpeakerBy Todd, not to use the entourage effect, so I won't use that anymore. We're synergizing. We're doing a chemical synergy in between all the chemical components in the cannabis resin that gives it its activity. It's not just one single active ingredient, and that's what the Marinol story tells us, is that you can't just take THC, put it in a pill, and get the same effects that you get from taking whole cannabis extract.

3:10:54SpeakerRight, the ensemble effect. Thank you, ATN. Awesome. Thanks, Mark. They're talking about more here in Colorado, the full-profile cannabinoids instead of whole plant. Thank you for joining us.

3:11:28BubblemanDefinitely all about the pure plant profile. We don't understand it, so why would you want to eliminate any part of it? If you don't have a full understanding of what it is that's making the magic happen, would you really start removing parts of it and only using a small part of it? I don't think that's a good plan. I think that the whole plant profile is definitely where it's...

3:11:51SpeakerAbsolutely, but you have all these scared people. Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:12:19SpeakerHow do we know that it's exactly just the CBD that works? We don't. We know it's not.

3:12:25BubblemanWe even know it's not. We do really know. We know it's not. And because of it, we realize that If we figured out this incredible aspect of this plant and how medicinal it is and how it has life-saving benefits, not only the quality of life, but literally to save life, why would we not allow it? Why would we allow anything less than exactly that? Because obviously now this isn't more part of this agenda of squeezing out another five years of prohibition.

3:13:00BubblemanWell, if we just grow hemp, it's like, no, we don't want to grow hemp. We know what we need to grow. We need to grow this. And that's it. So put it into place. Create a system that allows us to do that very thing. Why would we settle for anything less?

3:13:20SpeakerWe shouldn't have to settle for anything less.

3:13:22BubblemanNo, you've already settled for way less. You've moved away from your state. Like you said, Colton's away from his best friend and his grandparents and family, and that's like really already settling for less. You've had a lot taken away just to acquire the medicine that has saved your son's life. So I'm with Etienne. You should write a book. If you're not a writer, then get someone to be your writer, tell your story, come up with this book.

3:13:49BubblemanIt's a powerful story and it might start with Colton's story and it might grow into a book of a bunch of people's stories. You've got this platform to link up with people and we just need more people like you guys, like Jonathan, putting a different face on cannabis. Don't get me wrong, I love when Cuban came in with his dreads and his beard and he had his drink, I was like, that's my boy right there.

3:14:13BubblemanBut we at the same time, for the prohibitionists, for the people who have been affected most by the propaganda, the scared moms, they desperately need to see that this is not an issue to be afraid of. This is a godsend. Whether you believe in God or not, this is really, from a parental aspect, it's a... It's incredible. I don't know if you saw Jessica's story that Mark was talking about.

3:14:41BubblemanIt was in Hash Church a few weeks back. But her story was also incredible. Her 10-year-old daughter who had not spoken, who was wheelchair-bound. Literally took some oil for the first time, also after being on ridiculous amounts of pharmaceutical drugs and non-verbal and just literally a fraction of who she... Her mother had never really met her. And after a drop of this oil, this little girl's standing up, she's giggling, she's asking for food.

3:15:08BubblemanThat's miraculous. And those are the stories that people need to hear because the prohibitionist, the person that says there's no medicinal benefits for cannabis... They need to say that to your guys' face. That's it. They don't need to hear some crazy anti-prohibitionist nut bar cannabis dreadlock dude like yelling at the top of his lungs like, you gotta free the weed, man! Because we did that, and that's cool too, and it got us to where we are, and I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, but we really need a new face on this.

3:15:39BubblemanAnd the Cheech and Chong negative stereotypes are no longer really cool in my book.

3:15:49SpeakerIt's normal. I mean, not that not everybody is normal. I think everybody is a normal person. But, you know, we are that Midwest normal family that soccer mom, everybody, you know. You have to consider yourself lucky because, you know, Jessica is a single mom who relies on her parents Her mom and her family support system to help raise their two kids. Unlike you, she can't just pick up and move to Colorado.

3:16:24SpeakerShe would leave her family support system behind, which is very, very important, especially when you have a special needs child. It's a blessing that you're able to go out to where you can get the medicine for Colton. I mean, Just a wonderful, wonderful thing. You know, we're supposed to be the United States of America, not the divided states of America. And it is just absolute crime that your zip code depends on how you can get relief to your children.

3:17:01SpeakerAbsolutely. A crime against humanity. And if you look at the people who turn the crank on that crime, they're getting money from the big pharmaceutical industries, from the for-profit prison industry, from big tobacco and from big alcohol, right? Tobacco kills how many people every year? Where are all these senators and congressmen concerned about tobacco? About alcohol, about prescription drugs, when we're on this hash church right now, I think like 10 or 15 people have probably just OD'd on prescription drugs.

3:17:37SpeakerSome of our vets that are coming home from wars that the politicians sent them over there for are coming back, 22 of them kill themselves every day because of PTSD. It doesn't have to happen. It doesn't have to be like that.

3:17:54BubblemanYeah, that's incredible statistics. Those are shameful statistics. It kind of reminds me of, oh, Who's the Actor? It was a really well done TV show about a newscast and the lady asks him on a panel, I think it might be Jeff Bridges, she asks him, why is America the greatest country on earth? And the one guy's like, freedom! And the other woman, they're both different parties from political parties.

3:18:18BubblemanBut the guy in the middle, Jeff Bridges' actor, he answers in this most beautiful three-minute, like, why the U.S. is not the greatest country on Earth anymore and how it used to be and how it could be once again. And he just said it in such a beautiful, not anti-American way, but in a way that really was like preserving of what the country was supposed to be built on in the first place.

3:18:42BubblemanLike you said, the United States, that's a powerful thing. It's not the divided states. Well, it is for Wendy and Colton. He can't go to Indiana.

3:18:53SpeakerAnd Jessica and Naya. And Jessica and Naya. And all the other countless patients in states where, again, they have guys like this Matt Baker fella who are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, who are basically doing everything that they can, bringing up Kevin Sabat from... From Sam and one of those old drunk Kennedys, right? Isn't there a Kennedy that's involved there? Right. His dad was a bootlegger during prohibition of alcohol, right?

3:19:24SpeakerAnd then when alcohol became legal, yeah, the Kennedys made billions and billions of dollars, yeah? It's okay for alcohol. Yeah, alcohol's great. Let's have an alcohol party. Woo! That's awesome. I'm all heated up, man. Hey, guys. Let's go get trashed and then get in our car and kill somebody. I'm going to go have a beer and go finish cutting my grass, folks. Thank you so much. Mark, thanks for bringing me in, man.

3:19:54SpeakerThanks for sharing your time, Mark. I'm going to be out at Delfest next weekend listening to some good bluegrass music in the hills of Appalachia. But I'll be back in two weeks, man. So good to see everybody. You too, Mark. Have a great day and we'll talk soon.

3:20:15JonathanI'm off too. Thanks, everyone. Hey, thanks for coming in, Jonathan. We'll talk again soon as well. Okay, great. And I'll post a link to CFEM in the Facebook group if anyone wants more info.

3:20:26BubblemanPlease do. Absolutely. That's what it's all about, bud. Thanks.

3:20:30SpeakerAbsolutely.

3:20:33BubblemanWell, that was a really nice... Three and a half hour like power church right there. I'm going to have to mark this one with a star. Number 34. Number 34. And I want to say hi to Colton's dad as well. We haven't even recognized him. He's a big part of this.

3:20:51SpeakerI've been poking my head in now.

3:20:53BubblemanExcellent. Well, we're happy to have you, man. We're glad that you guys are brave enough to share your story and to help put a face on the story itself, you know, because it is powerful. I'm with ATN. It's powerful shit. You write that book, and I would not be surprised in any way to look up one day and be like, holy shit, there they are on, like, Ellen.

3:21:13BubblemanThat's wild. Cool. You know what I mean? It's legitimate, man. It's really...

3:21:20SpeakerThere he goes, eating his cannabis. Let's see him get so humongously high that it's ridiculous.

3:21:25BubblemanExcellent.

3:21:26SpeakerOh, wait, that's not going to happen.

3:21:28BubblemanThat's right. That's what happens when you're actually combating and healing something in the body, that those cannabinoids, they don't seem to lock on to the euphoria. They seem to lock on to the more healing and regenerative properties that... What you guys can literally attest to, that is miraculous when the human body can turn around like that with the simple help of the proper fuel.

3:21:51SpeakerYeah, absolutely. And, you know, I'd rather see him take this, something that's natural, something that's, you know, like he was saying earlier, it's an essential oil. What's the difference between it and peppermint? I mean, considering the fact that they had him on OxyContin the whole time he was taking this bottle, I don't see... You know, I don't see where the justification comes if you don't get your child high on... Well, it's topsy-turvy.

3:22:16BubblemanIt's this propaganda-based mentality that is... It is a weak argument that... It's like the argument where the... Oh, this was the worst one ever I heard was when they said... The politician told this guy who was dying of wasting syndrome from his AIDS medication that he would become addicted if they allowed him to use it. And the guy was like, listen, I'm going to be dead in about 90 days.

3:22:45BubblemanI don't have the luxury of worrying about addiction. You know, I'm just trying to stimulate an appetite in my body so I can consume enough food and stay alive for another week.

3:22:58SpeakerAnd the funny part is all these pharmaceutical companies are doing is making and introducing these drugs to these kids at an age where later in their life they usually become addicts to it. My brother died at 24 because he was prescribed some kind of drug when he broke his arm when he was younger, you know. So he was already, he knew what that drug could do, so I, you know.

3:23:21SpeakerThat let him down into... It is what it is. It's just prepping them to just feel comfortable taking a pill. That's something that they have no idea what it is. You can't figure out what those pills are. I mean, how they're processed and...

3:23:37BubblemanIt normalizes this strange, bizarre agenda, and it makes something like a plant-based medicine a plant. I mean, I grew this in my garage.

3:23:49SpeakerI grew it in my garage.

3:23:50BubblemanWith a license, thank God, because if I didn't have a license, well, then they would come and take my children. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:24:18BubblemanIt's so bizarre and it's really one of the things that has promoted my urge and desire to want to grow this plant. I wonder if I would even grow this plant if they just let everyone have it. It seems like part of my urge to share it with everyone is because they have such a strong agenda to keep it from people. And it's one thing, like I said, to lock someone in a cage, to destroy families.

3:24:42BubblemanAnd then it's another to absolutely take it to the next level and allow people to die from it. That's, I mean, that's criminal.

3:24:51SpeakerI have a question. So is there any other plant on the base of the earth that is illegal to grow?

3:24:59BubblemanWell, yeah, they make plants illegal for, I mean, mushrooms aren't a plant, but it's a fungus. They definitely... You know, those open up parts of the mind and get you thinking about different things and they make them very also highly illegal. What's another plant, I mean, that is illegal to grow? Are poppies illegal to grow?

3:25:21SpeakerHey, Odie, Ayahuasca... There's all kinds of illegal ones. Poppies are illegal, depending on where you are in the world. Don't they just grow natural? I mean, this is natural stuff, though, right? I mean, it shouldn't be illegal to grow something that was put on the earth that grows naturally. Ayahuasca doesn't exist for anything else except for the enlightenment of man. No other animal eats it or uses it, but yet man has found it and has used it.

3:25:49BubblemanYou're talking about the Banisteriopsis capi root bark with the Verula verudis vine. This is the Central American recipe of ayahuasca, which is basically a tryptamine. That comes from the vine, the varula, and then a harmin and a harmaline, which are MAO inhibitors that potensiate the tryptamine through the combination of the two. And those are found in the Banisteriopsis capi, which is a vine that grows throughout Central America, throughout the Amazon basin.

3:26:26BubblemanLittle ayahuasca throw down.

3:26:29SpeakerThen peyote itself, the cactus.

3:26:33BubblemanYes, there you go, peyote, mescaline. You know, no real plant like cannabis, though. They haven't put money into making a plant illegal more than cannabis. That is for certain. And you have to... It doesn't take a brain surgeon to kind of figure out that that's for a specific reason. It's not an accident. You know, no one would... I mean, you even have to think that the people that make these laws and decide these things...

3:26:59BubblemanThey must, I mean, they're not dummies. They have to know that there's a true medicinal value, and they themselves must be exposed to disease and have family members get sick. I just don't understand how you can promote an agenda that keeps a medicine from helping and healing a person. It's just, I keep going back to it, but it seems very criminal.

3:27:22BubblemanAh, yes, Ibogaine, that's another one.

3:27:26SpeakerMy husband just... Brought up a really cool point. When the law is written that gives the politicians their power on something that is illegal, I mean our constitution was written on hemp.

3:27:45BubblemanYep. It's literally foundation is in hemp.

3:27:51SpeakerThe first four drafts were on hemp. The final one is on parchment.

3:27:56BubblemanHey, we'll take that.

3:27:58SpeakerYeah, it was still on there. You know what?

3:28:01BubblemanWe could use that parchment and make rosin.

3:28:09BubblemanYes, that's pretty neat indeed. The forefathers were definitely growing this plant and separating out the female flowers from the males. Not too many reasons to do that in the industrial applications of the plant.

3:28:23SpeakerYeah, George Washington wrote about it specifically. He was upset because he was four days late from separating his males from his females. Why would that be?

3:28:33BubblemanI guess he didn't want to lose THC production to the pollination of his plants. It's going to go out on a limb once the pollinated male... Once the male pollen makes it into the female plant, the plant will still produce cannabinoids, and I'm sure one day we'll find out that it's a specific variety of cannabinoids that work in conjunction with the amino acids that are being produced in those very seeds, a relationship that not many of us have even put together yet.

3:29:01BubblemanWe'll probably find out some importance in those relationships, I'm sure.

3:29:13BubblemanAlright, that was our first like three second break since we started Hash Church like three hours and forty minutes ago. I do want to thank you guys. Really great. Glad you guys came out and shared your story with us.

3:29:28SpeakerWe're glad you invited us. We learned a lot today. And we have a lot to learn.

3:29:35BubblemanWell, you know what? We have this platform. You guys are welcome to come back whenever you like. And Hash Church, the forum there should help a little bit We have another group called the Endocannabinoid System on Facebook, and that's a pretty good spot where people really just post information. It's a little bit of a pain in the butt. The way it's not really organized the way, say, a website could be with certain elements being able to be clicked on, but there's good information in there.

3:30:01BubblemanThere's a search tool, so you should check that out as well. Thank you so much for being here.

3:30:27BubblemanSeeing this help people, knowing that it helps them and being able to facilitate it to help others. So what a great experience. What a great thing to do. There's always people that are depressed, people that are having a hard time finding happiness. I can give you the key to happiness right now. It's super simple. Do good for others and make others happy. There's a magic in it that makes you feel so good.

3:30:51BubblemanIt's almost not to be confused with the feeling of pride, which is, you know, they make pride a deadly sin for a reason because it's a dark hole that feeds the ego. But it's a similar feeling to pride. It's this feeling of like You know, doing good and helping people and I think that's an energy that everyone should spend time cultivating in themselves. And it's really easy.

3:31:15BubblemanFind people that are hurting and help them in any way that you can. And so I'm going to leave everyone on that note today and thank everyone for coming in to Hash Church episode 34. Thank Wendy and Colton and your father who I don't even know his name, I'm sorry. Thank Horatio. What's up?

3:31:35SpeakerIt's Tommy.

3:31:36BubblemanTommy. Thank you, Tommy. You guys did great work, and you're continuing to do great work, and I want to hear about the book in the next upcoming weeks. I want to thank Horatio for his absolutely incredible modulators. He is on the ball. This guy is going places, people. He's an inspiration. Sometimes at the expense to himself, if you guys want to do me a favor and send Horatio A loving, kind message and tell him to take care of himself because he can't take care of others if he's got axes sticking out of his feet.

3:32:09SpeakerYeah, no more axe to the feet, man.

3:32:11BubblemanAnd when he doesn't sleep, he potentially has seizures, so please sleep, Horatio. We need you to sleep. We love you, and take care, everyone. Etienne, always a pleasure. My brother, you're always doing the most amazing work down there, and today I think you pretty much said one of the most inspirational speeches that I heard the whole day when you were talking to Wendy. I'm going to go back and actually watch that.

3:32:34BubblemanAnd obviously thanking Tony and Jibbs and thanking Todd who wasn't here today, but always Todd McCormick is welcome in the room and thankful to be here. Mark Scaldone for dropping large knowledge. Nick Bradley for helping hook things up with Wendy and Colton. And anyone that I may have forgotten, Johnny B, D420K, Creek from Mendo for sharing the information about Living Soil. And give yourselves props to all the people watching Hash Church.

3:33:08BubblemanPlease share these videos. Please talk about them. Get dialogue going as much as you can. And if you've got a person who needs to tell a story who should be on Hash Church, Get in touch with me, Bubble Man, on Facebook, and I will be glad to help facilitate that. I thank you all for being a part of Hash Church, everyone. Thank you. Peace.