Cannabis and Athletes: Denny's Journey

0:00BubblemanAll right. Good morning, everyone. Good afternoon and good evening for those of you that are on the other side of the world. And welcome to Hash Church episode 93. I am, of course, your host, Bubble Man. And I'm just going to be going through sending out the links here. We got kind of an exciting little bit of a morning. Talked to a few friends, just really briefly gave them the last minute invitation.

0:23BubblemanAnd they said, we'll be there. Oh, I said excellent. These guys are doing some pretty exciting things. Oh, I just got a little bit of a, there we go. Let me just send out the link here real quick. I hope everyone's doing good on this, well, on this day before the 4th of July, a couple of days after Canada's Independence of Canada Day. We're right smack in the middle of these big giant parties that are about to go down.

0:49BubblemanOne that already went down, fireworks the whole nine yards. All right, let's send out that link over there. And we're going to send out the link a few more times to the crew. There we go. We'll send one off through Skype because I know that Chimera always likes to get invited. And of course, we always like to have Chimera as a guest on Hash Church. Guys got some great knowledge and information.

1:14BubblemanHopefully he's around today. Today I was talking with Sabo Shen, who is the owner and developer of the Vape Exhale. That's this little unit right here that I use often. Welcome, Etienne.

1:30Etienne FontanGood morning, sir. How are you today?

1:32BubblemanI'm doing good. I'm hoping that Sabo and Denny are going to join us just for a half an hour. Oh, there we go. There's Sabo right now. Welcome, Sabo.

1:44SaboHey, what's up everybody? How's it going?

1:46BubblemanHey, Sabo.

1:46Etienne FontanWelcome, welcome.

1:47BubblemanYeah, dude. Right on. Sabo's got to go for an appointment in the next half an hour, but I thought Sabo and I have been trying to sort of organize the show, and to give you a quick brief lowdown on Sabo is he's got this incredible product called the Vapex Hail that I use all the time and I've used on my channel. I talked about it actually yesterday during a live Facebook in regards to the convection versus...

2:12BubblemanUh, conduction, I guess heat versus, uh, hot air heat versus actual heat directly heating up a substance like ceramic or glass or titanium. Uh, we talked a little bit about the sort of magic properties that it has when it just gives you these incredible tasty rips that you're wondering how it's possible. But that's not exactly, uh, what we're here to talk about today, although we do love the vapex hail.

2:36BubblemanSabo's doing something else that I'm just complete, I have a place in my heart for this as a backcountry photographer. I've been Whistler over the years for professional snowboarders and skiers and snowmobilers. One of the things that I've always noticed is that cannabis plays more of a part than alcohol or any other substance for that matter. And because of the sponsors that occur with these athletes, it's something they really have to kind of keep hidden.

3:01BubblemanAnd for the last five years or so, I've really wanted to Thank you so much for joining us.

3:24SaboIt can be an enhancer, but you have to understand how to use it appropriately. So, you know, the best analogy I like to use is it's like surfing. At first, if you don't know how to surf, extremely difficult. Once you start learning how to surf better, then it almost becomes like something that's very fluid, very natural, almost, you know, I'm not a super religious guy, but I call it like a spiritual feeling.

3:49SaboSo, absolutely. And we have the man himself, Denny, who just joined us. He actually competes while he's activated, so here's someone that could talk about competing at the highest level while consuming cannabis, whereas I just do it while I'm working out and while I compete with my friends, but obviously not at the same level as Denny.

4:14BubblemanWell, let's introduce Denny. Denny's just popped into the room here. Denny is, of course, three times Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion, practiced under Eddie Bravo, his first black belt over at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. Totally an honor to have you here, bro. Like, welcome.

4:33Etienne FontanWelcome.

4:34BubblemanWelcome. That's awesome.

4:36SpeakerThank you very much, guys. Honored to be on. Very happy. Good morning to you all. I'm glad we're all... Keeping it activated. I got my vape exhale. Here we go. There we go. Should we all take a rip? Should we all synchronize?

4:55BubblemanI think that's a good idea. Absolutely.

4:57Etienne FontanFantastic. Let us burn our smoke toward the Vatican and blow it appropriately.

5:03SpeakerYes. That we shall. Welcome to John Dean. Into the room.

5:10SpeakerOh yeah. I love the whistle.

5:13Etienne FontanHey, Sabo, is that a new unit you have there coming out?

5:17SaboYes, this is an in-cycling that the guys over at Symbiotic made. They currently make the chandelier for us, and this is just a new design that they came out with. So they're a small, independent glassblowing shop out in Colorado. We like to support the glass art that I like, so a lot of times we end up commissioning them and having them do it for us so that we can give them a little bit more visibility.

5:47BubblemanSo I've got a quick question that may or may not be appropriate, I don't know. As an athlete, Nick, do you feel, I mean obviously your diet is on point, you're probably eating organic food and trying to keep chemicals out of your body and trying to keep a little bit more pure. I wonder when it comes to your extraction or your herb, if it being organic is important, if, you know, do you use solvent extracts versus non-solvent extracts or do you use both of them?

6:16SpeakerSo here's what I know. I try to keep everything as clean as possible. So I am on the ketogenic diet. And then I try to get organic herb. I personally prefer sativas usually. I'm a sativa kind of guy. I usually get my stuff from the Love Shack. Their stuff's pretty organic from what I understand and it's always super consistent. Yeah, and I'm a big fan of Guild Extracts.

6:56SpeakerTheir THC is powerful.

6:59BubblemanYeah, I've heard good things about the Guild. I am a big fan of the sativa as well. I did watch your live Facebook the other day when you were taking everyone through sort of a meditation. I find that the sativas allow me to focus in a way that some people find that's the opposite, but I'm very much fine when I'm hitting narrow-leaf drug cultivars, as we call them here on Hash Church, NLDs.

7:26BubblemanI find that I'm able to get extremely focused when I use a cultivar such as a narrow leaf drug cultivar.

7:37SpeakerI feel the same way. I feel like I get super focused. Sativa, that's why it's my choice.

7:44Etienne FontanDenny, how did you discover cannabis and what drew you to cannabis originally?

7:50SpeakerOkay, so I grew up in San Francisco, so I saw a lot of people smoking weed in the streets. That's just like a normal thing. You know, that's very normal. I grew up seeing that. Very first time I had like weed offered to me was like this chick that I was into like in the fourth grade. I thought she was cute. I lied to her and I told her I smoked weed earlier, you know, but obviously I didn't.

8:14SpeakerI was afraid at the time. I grew up in a family that was super... My dad was an anti-weed. My mom's not anti-weed. My grandparents were super anti-weed. That's the devil to them. They don't know the difference between marijuana and coke. They think it's all the same thing.

8:31Etienne FontanWell, they were brainwashed that way, so you can understand.

8:35SpeakerOf course, of course. Very understanding of that, and I love them, so it's all good. But how I got introduced, like, I mean, probably... I really started paying attention more so to cannabis through Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan. The very first time I actually smoked with them was when I was 18 and that was the first time I ever smoked. It was before a jiu-jitsu event that we saw.

9:04SpeakerIt was LA Sub-X and it was a trip, man, because I think I took like two, maybe three rips and

9:18SpeakerI was watching the tournament, and we had really good seats. We were front row. And it was just crazy. It was just a magical night. It was like the light hit me.

9:30Etienne FontanYou could see everything in a different light?

9:33SpeakerYeah, dude. It was just magical, too. It was just magical. The best way to explain it was just magical.

9:40Etienne FontanWere you able to see things since you were first time high getting there and watching a match? Were you able to see the match in a slow motion or were you able to visualize and see where things were going better?

9:51SpeakerIt's funny that you say slowing the game down. I felt like the game slowed down. I felt like I was picking up on deeper details. I was seeing more of the invisible. I was seeing more of the invisible, I think, which... That's one of the hardest things to see in Jiu Jitsu.

10:16SpeakerAnd also too, it really made me focus. I have ADD. And it just really made me focus. It really brought me to the moment. I felt like I was watching Jiu Jitsu, but I was watching Jiu Jitsu in flow, if that makes sense.

10:33Etienne FontanIt puts you in that mindset. I used to, as a kid, I did Taekwondo and we used to sit and they'd teach us meditation, how to actually sit there and focus at the wall and look. And that's a very different thing when I was 12 to where when I got high, it could immediately put myself in that mindset where myself, I had ADD as well. It wasn't diagnosed, but it allowed me to focus as well.

10:58Etienne FontanBut as a fighter, that had to be an epiphany and enlightenment for you because you probably used other things before, but probably had not received this type of effect or focus.

11:11SpeakerWell, I'll say this. So the only drugs I've ever done is I smoked weed, and then much later on in life I smoked DMT once. But it was an enlightening moment. It was. It was. That's definitely the right way to say it.

11:31SpeakerIt was just a powerful moment. And then, you know, everybody's different. Like, I've heard people say, like, hey, I smoked weed and I had a bad experience. And then there were other people like, hey, I smoked weed and I had this amazing experience. That was my experience. And then I had a lot of really good people around me. And I was in a great environment, too, you know.

11:50SpeakerAnd I guess I saw the light in it.

11:55Etienne FontanSo how did your dojo treat it? Because some dojos are very anti-cannabis, you know, and some embrace it.

12:03SpeakerSo Eddie, my jiu-jitsu instructor, Eddie Bravo, he's super pro-pop, you know. So, like, in the gym that I started in L.A. where I trained with Eddie... That's just a normal thing. That's just a part of training. That's just a way of life. Cannabis is just a part of our culture. I mean, a lot of my students, 80% of my students probably smoke weed. I mean, I'm just keeping it real.

12:41SpeakerIt's just kind of part of the jujitsu culture in a way. Some people may not like the fact that I said that, but I'm just being real. I'm keeping it. But not everybody does. Not everybody smokes weed in jiu-jitsu.

12:55Etienne FontanIs it an underground culture or is it something that's just been part of the undercurrent all along, just not spoken in the open world?

13:04SpeakerI would say the later. I would say the more I realize it, because a lot of dudes are down to smoke with me.

13:15SpeakerI mean, I never talk about who out of respect, because some of them... You know, but, because I'm all about respecting, you know, people and, you know, what they want. And, but, but like,

13:29SaboHey, so Denny, Denny, this is a more difficult question for Denny to answer because obviously of his position. So, you know, it would be much easier for someone like me where, you know, I met a lot of athletes not just in martial arts but in all sorts of different sports. And what I can tell you is that cannabis use is quite pervasive. In high impact sports like football, boxing, mixed martial arts, to me, based on my own kind of research and anecdotal experiences, There's a disproportionately higher percentage of these athletes utilizing cannabis and we know that certain cannabinoids like CBD and CBG have neuroprotectant and sometimes neuroregenerative properties so it makes sense that a lot of these athletes gravitate that for Thank you for joining us.

14:33SaboThank you so much for being here.

14:48SaboAmazing thing and you know we were really stoked to you know be able to share that information with the people yesterday and to answer your question it is pervasive it's just that people don't want to talk about it and why I have so much respect for Denny is that you know not only is he willing to talk about it but in his last world championship he's actually wearing the cannabis leaf on his rash guard so to me it's like thank you very much for being the guy and Thank you so much for joining us.

15:40BubblemanCrushed by a simple meme, Michael Phelps with 14 gold medals around his neck. Winners don't use drugs.

15:47Etienne FontanChampions do.

15:49SpeakerI love that meme. Well, something that's super real is that cannabis has so many benefits, right? So there's the creative benefit, of course, but there's also just the pure health and recovery benefit. Like, for example... Man, I've been really fucked up throughout all these years. I broke my neck. I threw out my back. I have five knee operations. All this has come at a price. The sacred plant helps me do my job.

16:26SpeakerIt helps me recover.

16:31SpeakerThere's a lot of special things about it. I know That a lot of people think that when they think about weed they think about just people that are stoners but like man I broke my neck and I was fucked up for like a year and a half dude and that recovery was just so fucking difficult man I was depressed I had never been depressed I had never been depressed until I broke my neck and then I'm like looking at my fucking I'm looking at my fucking dream just fade and Thank God I had weed.

17:04SpeakerI never took pain pills or anything like that, dude. I just smoked weed. I ate edibles. And, you know, I wasn't doing it to get fucked up, dude. I was doing it to get better, and I did thank God. And, you know, and another thing, I felt like it gave me a deeper connection to life. It gives me a deeper appreciation for everything that I have, you know, and...

17:29SpeakerI'm trying to break this stigma of like, oh, these are some stupid stoners or whatever, because I know that there's a lot of successful people that have gotten benefits from using cannabis, and there's also a lot of people, just regular people, man, regular people, that just, the health benefits that they're getting, you know, not even just athletes, just regular people, man, regular people that they might suffer from anxiety from some fucking asshole boss.

17:59SpeakerAnd like, they've been writing their ass, because I have students of mine that tell me this, you know, like, dude, my fucking boss was a fucking asshole today. I went and I took a rip, you know, sorry. And yeah, and I felt like choking the guy, so I took a rip, I came in here, I trained, and I don't feel like choking the guy.

18:18Etienne FontanSo your experience in using cannabis had to have a reflection on those around you then, seeing you use it medically. Did it change people's mind, your use of it?

18:30SpeakerI mean, if I have to say it's changed anybody's mind, like someone who's like hardcore proof, I would say like I think my mom has a little bit of a different perspective on it from like watching me.

18:47SpeakerShe obviously doesn't use cannabis, but she accepts me for me, and that's really important to me.

18:56Etienne FontanDid she learn to temper her previous thoughts on cannabis after watching your use medicinally?

19:04SpeakerI think so. I think so. Yeah. Because she's seen me do my thing and I'm still me.

19:16SpeakerAnd then also another thing, when I was in the hospital last time, when I had the staph infection, here's my knee.

19:29SpeakerSo, you know, she was the one that brought me, you know, my edibles when I was, I'm like, hey, like, this is like fucking me up. So, like, she got it. She knows how I am. And I appreciate her getting me. I appreciate that. That means a lot to me because I love my mom.

19:55BubblemanIt seems like the opposite to cannabis of the option of the opioid, which of course, you know, for athletes, for people who are excelling at what they do, for people that are operating at a level that most people are not operating at, the level of depression that can hit you when you are taken out, when you are taken down like five or ten notches and then given opioids, Thank you for joining us.

20:46BubblemanYou know, this exceptional athlete that found himself on all sorts of different opioids ended up getting very depressed and just didn't want to play the game anymore, didn't want to be a part of life anymore. It's pretty incredible that something like cannabis Can replace those painkillers and literally offer pain relief, offer hope, and offer, you know, I guess whatever the opposite of depression is because that's really something serious when you're an athlete and you get depressed and you're unable to do what you're normally able to do on a daily basis.

21:20BubblemanIt's heavy.

21:21SpeakerSo a couple things, you know, thank God, I never had an opiate addiction but, you know, I had a friend of mine, I have a friend of mine that You know, I grew up with, and unfortunately, he had a little bit of a problem there. And, you know, I kind of saw and heard him go through some things, and that was really hard. And I've never seen any of my friends go through that with cannabis.

21:49SpeakerYou know, and, you know, I'm very happy because my friend is a lot more back on track now, but he definitely went through a very hard time, and It sucked to fucking see that, man. And to hear about some of the stuff that had happened to him. But he uses cannabis now, and I definitely feel that cannabis is a tool that he uses to not be on the opiates.

22:25SpeakerI think that's huge. And there's a lot of people that I've heard that they've gone from using opiates to substituting it with cannabis. And that's the tool now.

22:40Etienne FontanWell, and it also doesn't have those side effects of those pills, which you realize also through your various surgeries and et cetera, you had a choice to either take them, which you know can lead to those types of addictions. But even you said, you know, even with your injury, it brought you into depression, which is the first time you were in. How did cannabis pull you out of your depression?

23:01Etienne FontanDid it uplift you? Did it change your mindset? How did it affect you positively?

23:10SpeakerUm...

23:15SpeakerOkay, so... You know, man, when you break your neck and you can't really move that much and you're so used to moving, and then you're not that mobile, you're just sitting there. You're really trapped in your head.

23:36SpeakerUm...

23:39SpeakerA lot of thoughts go through your head. A lot of thoughts go through your head. But I would smoke and I would visualize myself training. I would visualize myself doing the techniques. I would enhance. Yep. And I would go deeper, you know.

24:02SpeakerAnd I love to visualize. Visualizing has always been a huge way that I train. And then also too, like, I would visualize myself winning again, you know, and I would visualize myself, you know, Eddie, you know, when I was coming back, it's when Eddie Bravo came back in his rematch, with the rematch with Whaler Gracie, and that gave me a lot of motivation too.

24:33SpeakerAnd just seeing that, taking from that energy and just visualizing myself,

24:42SpeakerWinning again and just being healthy and just doing what I love and it was in the creative aspect and then also, you know, yeah, yeah, I think I really feel that that helped me get healthy again because I was focused on what I wanted and it just helped me stay positive. It helped me stay connected to life more. Helped me stay connected to life. I feel like I say that cannabis is the sacred plant.

25:12SpeakerI've heard that before. I like to use that term. I feel that it connects you to life.

25:21SpeakerYeah, that's probably the best way to say it. I feel like it connects you to life. I feel like it makes you feel more one with life. Having that feeling of connection is a lot better than that connection of separation. That connection of separation is depression, I think, because you're not Thank you so much for joining us.

26:07SpeakerLike the goal of yoga is basically to connect. Like the goal is the individual unit soul consciousness, you, to connect with the infinite, all of life, you know. And then to be in that flow. And I feel that cannabis does that. I feel that also too if you use cannabis, could be vaping, eating cannabis, you could have even a more powerful experience in yoga as well. Thank you so much for joining us.

26:59BubblemanEnded up so crooked with these crazy pounding headaches that eventually I got into some yoga.

27:29BubblemanIt was like yoga on steroids or something. I just never experienced anything like it. It was humility, humble pie by the big fat slice every class. From the temperature, 115 degrees Fahrenheit, right down to the 26 postures and the 90 minutes of absolute and complete torture. And of course, because I liked it and because it helped me so much and because it not only strengthened my muscles and my ligaments, but it actually moved my bones back to where they were supposed to be through this very long, almost three-year process of having to do this yoga every single day.

28:02BubblemanAnd I got insane about it. When I traveled across Canada, I traveled with heaters. If I rented a hotel room, I would heat that fucking hotel room up to 115 degrees and I would do my yoga that night. It wasn't not happening. Because of it, I'm not in pain anymore. I don't have headaches and I don't get back or neck pain and that was thanks to that Bikram yoga, that hot yoga.

28:25SpeakerDude, that's a pretty dope story.

28:30SpeakerI always love hearing success stories, you know, when people have back injuries or, you know, headaches, you know, from yoga. I love hearing those results. Those are really cool to hear. I had a similar result with Kundalini Yoga when I threw out my back back in 2011. I was preparing for the Abu Dhabi World Championships and I got invited. Unfortunately, I threw out my back, my L4, my L5.

28:59SpeakerAnd for six months, man, I did everything I could and nothing worked. And then after three days of doing Kundalini, my back got better. It was almost like a spontaneous healing. It was pretty amazing. And that's what actually led me down the path of yoga was that. And like you, I enjoy bong rips and doing yoga. That's always super fun. You know what really tripped me out though?

29:28SpeakerSomething really special to share with you guys. So I was going down to LA and I was training with this amazing teacher. Her name is Tej. And I wasn't even smoking cannabis, just showing up to her class. And it's super powerful because there's like 150, 200 people doing yoga. And then I had all these powerful hallucinations. Like, while we're meditating, like, it would go gold, like, up here, like, when my eyes were closed, it would go gold.

29:57SpeakerThen at one point, I felt like I was, like, pulsating with the universe. And I had all these cool experiences. And then I've also had some pretty cool experiences smoking weed and doing yoga as well.

30:14SpeakerYou know, with the Bikram dude, mad respect, because for me, I'm just being super real. I can't handle that heat. It gives me flashbacks. It gives me flashbacks of when I'm a kid and I'm cutting weight. And for me, it's just all these terrible memories of me losing weight and losing like 20 pounds or like 14 pounds and just fucking torturing myself. So I love yoga, but just in that heat,

30:42BubblemanBut now imagine, Denny, imagine that those emotional cysts that you are clearly holding onto in your body are being released. Bikram Yoga is like that mean, nasty army sergeant who's like, he's there to break your will, and then you build yourself up after you're broken. Because it's like death has moved in, and it's like hanging out on your couch and eating your food and shitting in your toilet, it's not paying rent, and you can't evict it.

31:08BubblemanDeath fucking hates the heat. When you get in the heat, death is just like, ah! And I, dude, it was the hardest thing I ever did, bro. It was not easy for me. Every day I wanted to stop. It was like, it was a mentally induced anxiety. Every day I would finish yoga and be like, oh my god, I have to do it again tomorrow.

31:31SpeakerI'll break that down really quickly to you. So, my thoughts on that. So, in Jiu Jitsu, I get enough torture, dude. Like, I swear to God, like, I have people trying to kill me, dude. Every class, I have people trying to fucking murder me. Like, I don't even have to try. People will try to fucking ice me. And like, right now, as I'm training for EBI, every training camp is fucking murders.

31:57SpeakerThen, through strength and conditioning with the kettlebells, my God, that's never easy. That's so hard. So I go to yoga to find my peace. So, Kundalini, I will tell you this. Kundalini, I actually went crazy for a year and a half. I'll be super real. Most people would never admit this. I will though. I will. I went crazy for a year and a half because it made me shift.

32:24SpeakerThat was the hardest thing I had to overcome. That was. That was around the time I also broke my neck too.

32:35SpeakerSo I know the mental thing that you're talking about. I experienced it on a very, very, very high level and it lasted for like a fucking year and a half, dude. I went crazy from doing too much yoga actually because I would do eight hours of yoga. I have this crazy ass experience. I'll tell you about it. Until this day, no one can tell me what the fuck happened to me.

32:57SpeakerI've gone to every yoga teacher, whatever the fuck, no one knows. All right. And I never went to a medical doctor because I thought because a couple of friends of mine, they're like, yo, don't go. They're going to give you pills. They're going to tell you you're fucking nuts. Like, I already know I'm crazy. I don't need to go to a doctor to tell me that. For real.

33:16SpeakerWhat are you going to tell me? That I'm crazy? I can tell. Reality ain't the same right now, dog. I interpret it. I'm not interpreting shit the same. I don't need a doctor to tell me that. And I don't need anybody to put me on any fucking psych medication either. I'm going to ride this motherfucker out and I'm going to figure it out. And I smoked weed when I was in that process too.

33:36SpeakerJust want to make that clear. And it helped. I actually had this experience. I'll tell you this. This experience that blew my fucking mind away. So I'm doing all this yoga, I'm getting really deep into it. Like I have this deep urge to do yoga, more and more yoga. So I'm doing yoga for like eight hours a day. And everything in my life is going amazing. I'm enjoying life and then I hit this cold ass point where I fucking, I'm not, it's like even though everything is going great, it's like I don't even care anymore.

34:09SpeakerI don't even care. It's like, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. I don't even care. The only thing I really care about is the yoga. That's all I fucking care about. I became like a stoner yogi. I just didn't give a fuck about anything. Then, I'm doing yoga for like eight... I'm doing my job. Of course, I'm doing my job, teaching, I'm training, I'm doing everything.

34:31SpeakerBut really, in my head, I don't give a fuck about anything. All I want to do is just yoga. Then... Like, one night, I'm in my room, just sitting, just thinking about what the fuck the purpose of life is. And then my brain starts accelerating at a crazy ass speed. I don't know what the fuck is going on. I start getting freaked the fuck out. And it's like, boom, it hit me.

34:51SpeakerPlanes among planes, dimensions upon dimensions, all life is one. I don't know what the fuck just happened. I woke up the following day disoriented, like a motherfucker. And that lasted. Thank you for watching.

35:28SpeakerYoga made me feel like I actually went a little more nuts. That's why I tell people, don't obsess over it. Don't fucking do it. Don't go eight hours a day.

35:38BubblemanSeriously, that's heavy duty, man. Eight hours a day. I mean, I did a few days where it was, Bikram's is 90 minutes, so the odd time I would do two of them in a day, or I would do like the advanced class, which is like 84 postures in three and a half hours, and I would get only to the point where you had to be in Lotus position to do the rest of the postures, and I was unable, I'm very tall, and Lotus just wasn't something I could get into.

36:04SpeakerI love Lotus. I'm all about that. That's my favorite one. I had to get in to get your black belt in 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu under Eddie Bravo. You have to be able to go into Lotus. Oh, I bet. Yeah.

36:18Etienne FontanSo Denny, you stated earlier in how everybody comes at you with everything they have. Did that start happening after you won your first championship or has that just become part of the workout team that you're with originally?

36:34SpeakerI mean, we always train hard, but like,

36:41SpeakerI've always had an X on my back, you know, because I've always been one of the besties in the room since I was young. You know, I'm not trying to be cocky. I'm just saying it for what it is.

36:55SpeakerBut really, there's two moments in my life when I really feel like the intensity in the room really stepped up. One, after I won the Worlds when I was 19. Two, after I got my black belt. Cause that was Eddie's first black belt and everybody wanted to get their black belt. That was, that I, that I got before. That I beat them to it, under Eddie. And they wanted to fucking kill me, dude.

37:18SpeakerAnd it's like, you can tell, like, like, uh, you know, like, like, like, there's times that Eddie would be like, hey, you know, Denny and Jason, you guys go, or, you know, Denny and I, and, and, and, or Denny and Sean, and it's like, fuck dude, um, it's a war, dude, and, and, and,

37:36BubblemanYou know, and... You feel that... Yeah. You can feel the context behind the energy.

37:46SpeakerYeah, but they're all homies, though. It was nothing but love. It was nothing but love. It's just the environment that we're in. And everybody... Everybody that I train with just wants to be the best them. You know, and... It's cool, you know, and I do the same. I do the same. And whoever I train with, I go to, like, if we're rolling and, like, someone's bringing it, I'm going to go to kill them too.

38:17SpeakerLike, for real. Like, especially right now. You know, what? I can't hold back right now when I'm preparing. When I'm training right now, I never go to break anybody's arm. I never go to break anybody's leg. I don't do that. I'm not a person to harm people in training. But I go 100% in terms of my pressure, the pressure that I can apply. But it has to be that way because when you're training and you're training to fight the best in the world, they're going to try and kill you.

38:53SpeakerSo you have to... Train with that kind of intensity.

38:58Etienne FontanWhat's your favorite train in cannabis?

39:02SpeakerSativa, always. But more specifically, I'll give you a couple of strains. So I love Jack Herrera, Lamb's Bread. That's a classic.

39:16BubblemanCandy Jack is, I really like Candy Jack. We're absolutely in love with the narrow-leaf drug cultivars right there. That's the goods. That's all my favorite shit. And train wreck. Dude.

39:28SpeakerYep. Those are the, yeah, and train wreck.

39:33BubblemanLamb's bread. That's what I'm talking about. I got one from, here's one right here that Johnny B gave me. This is a seed that I got when I was married in Jamaica in 1995, and then I brought the seed home and I cracked it 19 years later. And I gave a clone to my friend John in the middle of the room there, and he cut the first bug and framed it for me.

39:59BubblemanWelcome D420K. What's up, what's up? What's up, mother lovers?

40:06SpeakerI have a bug that somebody gave me that was 24 gold plated. Whoa. Don't smoke that. It's completely harmless to smoke 24 karat gold.

40:21Etienne FontanI know, but just don't smoke it.

40:23SpeakerI'm going to give you a real nice... Me and Rob are sitting here smoking it right fucking now. Come on! I got sift from that plant that I gave you still in my fridge that I wasn't going to smoke with you again on your birthday. Is this from yesterday? Yeah. That's fucking nice looking, eh? Yeah. I just was going to ask, when you said you broke your neck, did you get any kind of plating or any kind of metal in your neck?

40:48SpeakerAre you still training after that or

40:55SpeakerMy C2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were protruding, and then I was developing cranial stenosis. When my neck was imaged, I was told that if I back off for six months of hard contact, it can potentially heal on its own. And if it didn't,

41:24SpeakerWe could look at the options for surgery and I didn't get the operation. I did a lot of physical therapy. I did a lot of neck traction and then also at some point I started getting chiropractic adjustments from Dr. Peter Goldman, sfgoldman.com. He's amazing. I got acupuncture and cupping done by Albert Salopak from Accelerated Sports. He works with the Raiders. I did a lot of physical therapy and then That's actually what got me on the path to, then I did neck traction, and then what was it called?

42:00SpeakerThat's what got me on the path of the kettlebell, and that's why my neck now is super strong. My neck's completely different now. It's like it's a different neck. One of the most important people in this healing process was Dr. Pete. Dr. Pete is a very unique healer.

42:20SpeakerThrough him I learned that I'm not my body, I have a body. And that my body can always heal. I just have to have that image and allow that to express itself. That's the image that I have to log into my subconscious mind and allow it to manifest. That's what I learned from Dr. Pete. And I'm really grateful for having That dude in my life, because if it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have recovered the way I did.

42:59SpeakerAnd in the physical therapy as well.

43:01Etienne FontanHow did your doctors react to your use of cannabis? Because I've known some physicians to be anti. Were they okay with your cannabis usage or were they give you talk?

43:16SpeakerIt's changed over the years, man. So I have a bunch of different doctors. I have a whole medical staff. Like right now at this point I try to make, you know, I try to run the show as legit as possible, you know, because like, you know, I'm fighting for money now, so I try to make, I try to, I try to think of, like Eddie had told me, he's like, hey, you're competing on a high level, he's like, you have to think about like what all these NFL guys do.

43:42SpeakerSo I go to all these different doctors and some of these doctors, they'll tell me like, Usually the holistic doctors are more open-minded to the cannabis. Some of the western doctors are. Some, their position has changed over the years. Like for example, in the beginning, like my general MD who I've been seeing for a long time since I've been like 12 or 13, his position changed. And I think he sees that I'm responsible and that like, he sees that I'm healthy and I think he respects it.

44:16SpeakerYou know, he sees the science now, so I think his position has changed. And I had a skin doctor who in the beginning I would go to him. Very nice, very nice. I would go to him and in the beginning he'd be like, oh man, don't tell me about that. But I'd be like, bro, I have a card. You know, I'm not doing anything illegal, man. You know, and...

44:42SpeakerHe would still be very dismissive about it, but now, you know, the last couple times that I've seen him, when I've had some skin funk, he seems more open-minded. So it seems like we're making more progress, so this is, it's always good to see that. You know, it's always good to see that. So I'm happy.

45:03BubblemanDid you say the first time you ever smoked herb was with Joe Rogan?

45:07SpeakerYeah. Joe's a good buddy of mine and he's a big inspiration. Also, I will say this. I would like to say this. A big shout out to Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo, my jiu-jitsu instructor, because Eddie's been my jiu-jitsu instructor since I was 15. Eddie's really big in the cannabis movement. They've been massive inspirations and Those are the guys that have helped me be me and they're the guys that told me to be me.

45:37SpeakerAnd without them or their inspiration, I wouldn't be myself because they showed me this way. You know, they showed me not just the cannabis but just to be me, to be me more than anything. And shout out to both of them, mad love and mad respect. And it's an honor to represent for them, you know.

46:02BubblemanYeah, it's never a bad thing when you get to stand on the shoulders of giants. And I've had the same, I feel the same way in my industry and the people that I've been blessed to be able to be inspired by, you know, some of which are in this very room right now, Skunk Man Sam and Rob and John, all sorts of, you know, the people that you look up to as your mentors that have really inspired you and it's like their passion is It's nice when you finally meet them and you realize, holy shit, these guys are the real deal.

46:35BubblemanIt's passion driving them. They're cannabis warriors. They are in this to win this for everyone. And that's always good to have people like that to look up to and as well to be able to stand on the shoulders of those giants. Cannabis warriors says it all. Cannabis warriors. I love that. I love that. Cannabis warriors. Yeah, man. Yeah, a fight on the front line, you know. There's a lot of them out there.

47:03Etienne FontanMy tattoo right here says Cannabis Warrior.

47:07SpeakerThat's dope. That's dope as fuck. Of course it does. Fuck it, brother.

47:13BubblemanFuck it.

47:14SpeakerCannabis osmosis will get us all.

47:19BubblemanYeah, well, we've got 800 people watching right now and chatting away in the YouTube chat and Just discussing the discussion, you know, talking about vape exhale, talking about cannabis as a focus. You know, the first time I ever saw like a young dude standing above like what I would say was about an 80 foot cliff, for sure what you would consider like a death jump, like you could break your back or your neck or you could just perish completely.

47:50BubblemanThis kid's kind of like checking it out and then he like pulls out a little vape pen and just like hauls on this vape pen like two or three times. And then just like tucks it into his jacket, you know, asks me like, don't be, you know, don't get a picture of that or whatever. I'm like, oh yeah, no worries. Boom! Like double backflip off the 80 foot cliff and it's like, you're standing there like, what the fuck?

48:14SpeakerThis is a different type of motherfucker right here.

48:16BubblemanThat's what I'm saying, dude. Holy shit. The focus though, you know, to be able to get into that mindset, especially for, you know, yourself, Etienne, myself, Darren, probably Tony, John, for sure Skunk Man Sam. They would have called us all ADD. It didn't exist when I was a kid, but they tried to put me on Ritalin and my parents weren't having it. It's called being a little boy.

48:42BubblemanI was on Ritalin. Fuck, dude.

48:45SpeakerThey definitely tried to get me on that.

48:48BubblemanFuck yeah they did, dude.

48:52SpeakerYou know what? I'll tell you this. I remember, I swear to God, I remember being a kid going to school. This was even before I hit kindergarten, so this was preschool. I remember going to school. I think it was like my second year in preschool, man. I remember feeling like the world's biggest fucking retard, the way that they made me feel, just because they had me go through all these fucking tests for like the first year and a half, like in the preschool that I was in.

49:19SpeakerAnd at some point, it was going back and forth between two fucking preschools. And I just felt like the world's biggest fucking retard because they had me run all these tests. And...

49:34SpeakerIn the beginning, I was one of those kids that growing up they tested apparently for the ADD, whatever the fuck you want to call it. When I was going to school, a lot of kids were just being tested for that. I just remember the first fucking two years of school feeling like a fucking retard.

49:57BubblemanYeah, I think it definitely undermines little boys for sure because I had a crazy energy, dude. I like broke my bed in my sleep. That's how much energy I had. I was just moving all the time like woo. I would put teachers in the psych ward. Like I was definitely like my principal had a book on me, bro. Like it was nothing for me to sit in the principal office with my parents and And be getting like yelled at or told like, you know, no one else has ever done this sort of thing.

50:30BubblemanAnd it was a super religious French school, so they just wouldn't kick me out. You know, nowadays I would have just been kicked out like that. They would have definitely not been having it.

50:39SpeakerI got kicked out of a Greek school, I'll tell you this. I got a funny story to tell you. Like the end of like, I think it was third grade. So my brother and I, we were such problem children. So there was like a meeting of me, The priest, my mom, and like my third grade teacher, right? So we were such a problem for the school that they just agreed, they're like, hey, listen, we'll pass your son, just, you have to leave the school.

51:09SpeakerLike we, I was that type of a problem child. And, but it's all good. It's all good. But, you know, it's funny, man. It wasn't until I started training Jiu-Jitsu that I didn't feel like a retard much later on, and I felt like it was in Jiu-Jitsu that I felt like I started learning. Like, you know, like the Canada athlete thing that we're doing? So when I'm teaching, I like to teach people how I learn.

51:40SpeakerYou know what I mean? Like more effective ways of learning. Sorry to spin this a different way. I like to take this in a different direction, but That's one thing that I feel like I learned from Jiu-Jitsu. You know what I mean? Like how to learn. And I feel like, I know I'm just rambling right now, but that's something that I try to teach in the Canada Athlete thing that we just did this weekend.

52:03BubblemanTell us a little bit about the Canada Athlete program.

52:06SpeakerYeah, for sure, man. So, this past weekend was a dream come true. I always wanted to mix something with With jiu-jitsu self-defense, yoga, breathing exercises, kettle bells, and then cannabis. It's basically a 10th planet jiu-jitsu lifestyle. That's basically what it is.

52:34SpeakerBut it's kind of athlete. So Sabo totally believed in this idea, and we all shared it. And then Jake Shields, he believes in the idea as well. And we all came together and I feel like the three of us worked together really good as a team.

52:57SpeakerSabo did a really good job just breaking down the science of cannabis and talking about cannabis. And I taught the yoga, the kettle bells, the breathing exercises, and I taught the beginner The beginners, the jiu-jitsu, and then Jake did the advanced portion of the jiu-jitsu, and then Jake talked about being a vegetarian, his diet. I talked about being on the ketogenic diet. We talked about our perspectives and what works for us, like what works for Jake, what works for myself.

53:36SpeakerWe don't think that one thing fits for everybody. And there were really nice people that showed up. There was a nice big group of people. Some high-level athletes showed up. We had a couple people that fight in the UFC. A couple other friends of mine that are also high-level athletes. And then just a group of people, the new people, people that smoke cannabis, they wanted to do martial arts, they wanted to try something different.

54:10SpeakerExcuse me. It was really fun. This was a dream and I really hope to keep doing this and it was fun. It was just super fun. Yesterday was one of my happiest days of the year. While I was leading the meditation, just at one point, I remember, this is before we even smoked, I remember just being so high off life, just being like, wow, this is so crazy.

54:40SpeakerI'm happy, you know?

54:42BubblemanYeah, do a new thing, stepping out of the box. You know, I think that it's probably sponsors who have kept the fear going in athletes in all walks of sports, all platforms, all different levels, where people are afraid of losing their sponsorships, therefore they're going to keep the fact that they use cannabis a secret. And it's been very effective in many forms of sports. I mean, even to bring up Eugene again, Boo Williams, Look at his situation with the Baltimore Ravens, like suddenly promoting cannabis and then getting cut.

55:20BubblemanIt's a classic. They've been doing it for so long, but I think we are right at a crux right now where athletes are going to be able to sort of join forces. And not only because they want to sort of for a spiritual, I think it will be something very much more powerful in the sense that it will be like, A health ramification, like it is an alternative to dangerous narcotics that are damaging athletes and putting them in a position where they're not as sharp as they should and could be if they were not on those opioids.

55:52BubblemanIt's just a crazy situation, but I think it's coming. I've been waiting for it for five to ten years or so just to be able to Start meeting athletes that aren't afraid to say that they use cannabis and to even promote it in a way that obviously 10 years ago would have every sponsor turn the other direction and run at high speeds.

56:15SpeakerYou know, I have friends of mine that are in the same situation. They can't talk about cannabis because there could be a lot of backlash. And... But what is that backlash? It's sponsor backlash. Definitely. Definitely. And then also I think it's what they think that people will perceive them as. Also as well, what like certain people might. But like, so for me when it comes to the sponsorships, like, I don't care about that.

56:52SpeakerLike straight up. You know, like...

56:56BubblemanWe're the same way here on Hash Church.

57:00Etienne FontanBut to some athletes, that's everything to them. They live off of sponsorships, so they're tied to that dollar, so they have to acquiesce to whatever people want. So you're in an elite status because of where you are currently, but how many aren't in your status that... Have to go through that whole situation where they have to fall upon opiates because of pain or injury because they want to get back to your level because they saw that you did it and that you were successful and they don't know how you did it so this is what their doctors are telling them to do.

57:33SpeakerDefinitely. One thing that's really unique about my situation is that I compete in EBI. That's the Eddie Bravo Invitational. They don't test us for cannabis. And that's not something that I have to worry about, and also that's not something that I have to worry about my boss caring that I talk about, because he talks about cannabis. So I'm very lucky in that sense. I'm truly grateful. I am very, very grateful for that, and I know that I'm very grateful for that.

58:14SpeakerSo...

58:17SpeakerI'll represent for all my homeboys that they can't talk about it, and I'm very grateful for my master.

58:29BubblemanYou get the perspective of the athlete who's in this situation, but the doctors who are giving these drugs are in the exact same situation. Their sponsors are called a license to practice medicine, and it's held over their head the same way the sponsors are held over the athlete's head. And it seems like whoever's holding both of those things over those individuals' heads, they are beyond and absolutely 100% responsible for all these opioid addictions and all of this sort of terrible energy that follows behind people taking these substances to try and get better.

59:04BubblemanI've never really heard too many people praise oxycodones or benzos or any other harsh A drug that they got put on for massive pain or for broken necks and broken backs and such. I've never heard people praise that. I've heard them say, it was like the devil grabbing me by the throat. He was pulling me down and I fought for everything I could to get out of it.

59:28BubblemanIt's funny that cannabis will be the thing that slices both of those chains that hold that sponsorship and that license to practice medicine. Those won't be held over these individuals anymore because I guarantee you in the very near future that cannabis sponsorships will be responsible for a huge percentage of the money that they bring in unlike it is today which is like Budweiser beer. Yeah, because we all know that Budweiser beer makes you just like a top athlete.

59:58BubblemanThat's something that is going to allow you to focus your life and be the best at what you could possibly be. It's quite the opposite. Most of the things they advertise during Sporting events are quite the opposite of what athletes themselves are using and taking.

1:00:14SpeakerThat's a good point. McDonald's commercials.

1:00:18BubblemanOh, dude, at the Olympics? At the Olympic Village in Whistler, when they spent so much money, they built a McDonald's in the athlete village. It was fucked.

1:00:31SpeakerYou know, I actually had a funny thing that happened to me one time when you talk about food. I can have some of these organizations that like they're supposed to take care of athletes. They oversee the food. I went to Poland to compete in the 2010 Nokia Fila Worlds. So I get to Poland and I arrived a little earlier before the other members from Team USA. I arrived with a friend of mine, Gabe Barahona.

1:01:00SpeakerWe arrived earlier. And so we get there and we just got done working out And they, the people that were in charge of the food at the hotel, they had like a pre-planned course meal. So they bring us chicken with french fries and kiwis with whipped cream. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm thinking, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, you know, because I just came over from America.

1:01:31SpeakerI'm 160 pounds. I got to make 143 pounds.

1:01:38SpeakerI got like 17 pounds to drop and I got like 7 or 8 days and you motherfuckers are trying to feed me french fries and fucking kiwis with whipped cream? Are you motherfuckers trying to sabotage me? Like is this sabotage? Anyways, so I go over to the people from Fila and I'm like, what is this? What is this? So I don't know, just like, so some of these people that like are involved in like organizing the food for even for some of these big events, even on like really big events, they don't give a shit about the athlete's fucking health.

1:02:13SpeakerI think it's just whatever's cheap, fucking convenient, whoever's fucking paying whatever, you know, and honestly, like honestly, the only time like I ever really showed up to an event, like there haven't been too many like events that like, but EBI is always first class, like You know, they always take care of me. And there was a 2009, the American, when we had the Nogi Fila Worlds here, but that was like because the American dude sponsored it.

1:02:44SpeakerBut, you know, it was a little different.

1:02:48BubblemanYeah, you got to hope for the good sponsor, I guess, when it comes to food because guaranteed McDonald's paid for everything at the 2010 Winter Olympics to put their own and to see athletes lining up because McDonald's was all about like getting footage of athletes lining up to buy their food. I was just like, I just thought this is the most topsy-turvy world you could possibly live in.

1:03:07BubblemanLike it's true, you know, doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice. Like all of these different things that you go through, police, destroy, law, like it's just one thing after another. We live in this, the whole world's just been turned upside down where you feed Olympic athletes McDonald's and allow them to take harsh narcotics but definitely keep them off of the deadly cannabis drug. It's just, yeah, it's a crazy thing to think what we're fighting here is, it goes, I guess it's why a lot of us have found ourselves out of all the different things that we could get behind.

1:03:41BubblemanCannabis seems to be the multiverse of roads to take because if you get behind cannabis, you then have the ability to go down almost any road you would have gone down, say, without cannabis. But with this little helper, it seems to help no matter what road you take from the sports athlete to the cannabis activist to the, you know, the, what is the term I can call Tony, the create a new Product and push the boundaries every week, Tony?

1:04:17BubblemanDid you freeze up on us? I think you did.

1:04:20SpeakerOh, no. I was watching the YouTube channel on mute while I was listening to you in the background, the chat, so I apologize. Yeah, you know, it's an obsession, I would say. My brother used to call me Kundalini when I was younger as well. Because I would always take things to extreme limits and try to unlock all the channels at once. So yeah, he used to call me that.

1:04:52SpeakerIt was kind of funny listening to your story. He didn't even know what it meant, you know, to be honest with you. But I told him I was like into like... Serpik Kundalini unlocking all the chakras at once when I was younger. He was like, what the hell are you talking about? Well, you could do it mentally. You could practice with breath works. Yoga is that first introduction, and then there's meditation, and then there's breath works.

1:05:21SpeakerI've had multiple out-of-body experiences using meditation and breath works, something I would suggest doing with guides and professionals and not doing it on your own. But yeah, I really dig everything you were saying too. You know, it all ties together. Like all of our thoughts and our conscious are global. You know, we're not individuals. We work as a global consciousness. And if you pull the camera back from Earth and you start to pull away and you travel at the speed of light, you realize that, you know, the time in our presence here is really relative to our dimension here.

1:06:01SpeakerAnd what we actually can physically absorb. And if you get far enough away, it doesn't really exist. And this is seen in the stars. When you look into the sky, all the stars that are burned out, the information is taking so long to get to us. No matter how fast it travels, it's always relative. And so if we start to realize that as a human race and the animals and everything that exists, That's around us.

1:06:30SpeakerWe're all connected. And so to deny the connection is to deny what it is to be human. And I apply those philosophies into making products for people in hash. I wish I could apply that to opening this container right now, but it doesn't seem to be working.

1:06:52Etienne FontanWell, since every human has an endocannabinoid system, it's key for every human, you know. That's why we say every use is medicinal to an extent because we all have, especially many Americans, have hugely deficient endocannabinoid systems. One of the things you're working on, Tony, is working on just re-saturating that area for humans so that they can heal. And come back around like, you know, Denny and other athletes are experiencing now because there's now access to other types of medicines besides the, you know, smoked form, you know, that was previously the only thing that they probably had available unless somebody was baking something for them.

1:07:34SpeakerYeah, and I had a, one of my really close friends in New Orleans, this was, he was about 21 years In 2007, he was the world jiu-jitsu champion in the United States. His name was Luis, but he was from Pennsylvania or Pittsburgh, one of those schools, one of the schools that are really good for that. I can't remember if he was Gi or no Gi, but after he won worlds, he used cannabis.

1:08:05SpeakerHe trained really, really, really hard. I met him in the gym, like boxing. And he, man, that guy was a badass, but he definitely used cannabis. He definitely used it. And it was more for, I think, recovery and a mental focus state for him. Man, I really like what you said earlier when you were talking about everything that you said. We're all connected. I just wanted to say that.

1:08:36SpeakerYou blew my mind away. I was just like... I didn't want to interrupt or anything. That was dope. Respect. That was dope. Respect. Yeah, no problem. I wish I could get this freaking container open because I have amazing things inside it. This is the Dog Walker flower rosin. It's like I don't know what happened.

1:09:00Etienne FontanTony, what did you give me a hit of on Friday there, that first Friday? That white, crystalline, saturated substance? It was delicious.

1:09:11SpeakerYeah, I just posted it on my Facebook and Instagram. We were calling it the Incredible Invisible CBD Sap because it was clear, and when you held it up, you actually couldn't see it. And I said, yeah, this would be funny if you actually sold like a half a gram of this type of hat to somebody who's like, Where is it? Where is it? I feel ripped off.

1:09:32SpeakerBut yeah, it was like 85, 850 milligrams of CBD and 150 milligrams of goo terpenes that created this like incredible clear sap that unfortunately did get, it was the only gram that was ever made and it was smoked right there at the gathering. It was my first Oakland cannabis community gathering.

1:09:58Etienne FontanIt was crystalline originally until that guy heated it up on his rig and then it turned into that crystalline, I mean it turned liquid clear.

1:10:09SpeakerYeah, it was interesting. Yeah, originally that's how I did it once before like that. I was doing it kind of like a, almost like a live resin like that. But I was in a rush so it was more of a, it was more like a goo crystal and then we just melted it down by torching A quartz bowl and then just letting it kind of warm up and then it melted down into a sap.

1:10:34SpeakerI cannot get this thing open.

1:10:36Etienne FontanDanny, I have a question for you. Have you turned other athletes on to cannabis?

1:10:42SpeakerI definitely think I've opened their mind to it. I definitely think I've opened their mind to it. I never tell anybody.

1:10:55SpeakerHere, smoke this, you know. I like to give them that choice, you know what I mean? Like, I don't want anybody to feel like they're pressured for me. But I do tell them the benefits and I let them make the choice. You know what I mean? But there have been times where I was like, dude, homeboy, you should probably smoke some weed. You know, like straight up, like there have been times when like dudes come to me, you know, they're really stressed out, whatever, and I'm like, don't.

1:11:24SpeakerI'm like, dog, you know, I love you. I'm like, go rip the bong. Go rip the bong. Go see Jesus. It's a joke. Whatever, whoever the fuck you're praying to.

1:11:36Etienne FontanWell, you deal with a lot of aggression. You deal with a lot of testosterone. You course around those who know how to balance it and work in harmony as well. Would you credit that with helping you attain your harmony consistently?

1:11:52SpeakerI definitely think that cannabis helps me stay calm. For sure, dude. There's definitely sometimes I'm like, man, these motherfuckers are annoying. I need a bong rip. I'm like, dude, I feel like choking this motherfucker out. Let me take a hit right now. This motherfucker's annoying. Tony. I'm being honest. I'm like, I need a bong rip and some breathing exercises. We'll go Zen down on this one. Let's go to cloud nine.

1:12:26SpeakerYou know what? It's time. You know what? I just want to connect. Peace out. See you later. Tony, I have a question for you. Look, it's an antique bottle of Terps, 20 years old, from Mr. Clark's private collection.

1:12:44Etienne FontanJesus. What is a Terp?

1:12:50SpeakerIt's from a rare variety called Swiss Ropa Dope.

1:12:55Etienne FontanOh, that stuff. I remember they were making perfume out of that stuff and selling it. It was awful.

1:13:00BubblemanWas that Shanti Baba doing that back in 2001 and 2002?

1:13:03SpeakerHe was doing it too, but I think this one came from, what was his name, Bruchard? Oh, yeah. Bernard. Bernard.

1:13:13BubblemanDidn't he do like a hunger fast or something later?

1:13:15SpeakerHe made lollipops with that shit.

1:13:18BubblemanHe made lollipops. But didn't he end up on the, was it him that did the hunger strike?

1:13:25SpeakerWell, he got busted hauling a trailer with like 500 kilos in it or something, dried.

1:13:33BubblemanYeah, but then he was in jail and didn't he go on a hunger strike or something, I remember? You guys don't remember?

1:13:41SpeakerI don't remember. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did.

1:13:45BubblemanI was hanging out in Switzerland during that time because Steve was down there and Chris Iverson had his big facility up in Volhusen, that big giant. That one got popped too. Yeah, well that one was crazy, dude. That one was like four or five football fields. I remember he got like his seed from Ben in like a 55-gallon drum. I was like, that's a lot of seed.

1:14:09SpeakerIt sounds like hemp seed.

1:14:13BubblemanYeah, it wasn't. I was amazed, actually, because I took Pete Brady, the photographer there, once to photograph, and I went out in the morning with him when the sun came out, and I was pretty blown away at some of the cultivars in that, and not like 1%. It was more like 25% to 30% that was killer, whereas 70%...

1:14:36SpeakerRob said he saw it, and it looked like rope-a-dope.

1:14:39BubblemanYeah, I have pictures of it. I'll post some, actually, because I'll tell you, some of it was definitely nice.

1:14:52SpeakerWe saw a lot of beautiful Swiss fields when we were working in Switzerland. But to be honest, I'd say the vast majority of it was rope-a-dope.

1:15:04BubblemanYeah, I was lucky because I got to make hash out of most of it. I wouldn't go unless I did, so I was there to make hash. The hash that I made, I know where it melted the most. Who's making that sound?

1:15:19Etienne FontanTony sounds like he's having sex. I muted him. Oh, sorry.

1:15:23SpeakerI didn't know it was still on. I am more aggravated than anything. It's trying to get to your hash. I've been torching this thing. I've been torching this thing and almost melting it trying to get it open. It's so sticky. It was like in my pocket and like glued to the side. I don't know. Like it just stuck. I'm going to rip it apart and drill through it.

1:15:52BubblemanI've definitely broken containers to get the hack out of them. Oh, yes. It used to happen to these Ruhr, the Ruhr glass on glass containers. That's all it was doing.

1:16:04SpeakerThere wasn't even anything. It was like barely anything. But that shit is flour rosin and it is sticky, sticky, sticky, sticky oil.

1:16:14BubblemanWell, why don't we all do a big monster rip and get connected. Are you going to hit that? Sky high.

1:16:25SpeakerI'll hit the vape exhale. I got the vape exhale. Bong rip for you mother luck. You're going to need that. I'm going to go with the dog walker. Look at that clear. Dog walker. What is that? Is Albert Walker crossed with dog shit? No, it is not crossed with dog shit. It is crossed with the dog V-A-W-G. Oh, the Chemdog. The Chemdog. And I did bring some while we're smoking.

1:16:58SpeakerI think this is important now that I've been kind of working with the new camera. You're going to get some more kind of sexy pictures of this. But everybody's in denial, so let me just show you what we run. When we were talking about terpenes in grade A, like everybody's grade's a little different, but, you know, this is the Red Congolese. These are the Nuggs. These are the nugs of the Red Congolese.

1:17:23BubblemanDo you know, Tony, that you can hook up your camera to this, like a good camera, and show buds and hash, even use your macro lens and do it? I was doing it for the MPE show that I did. I mean, you know, not necessarily, it might take a bit today, but the camera came with a cord. It's a very small cord, and yeah, you could hook your good camera up and show it.

1:17:44SpeakerWait a minute, wait a minute, you mean that... I know what you're talking about.

1:17:49BubblemanYou're talking about... You also have to download the program, which is basically just a utility program. It's called EOS Utility. Okay.

1:18:01SpeakerTodd, just tell me about that.

1:18:03BubblemanHey, Marcel Braun in the house. What's going on, you crazy bastard? What's up, Mark? How's it going, everybody? How's the stuff going? Now we're going way deeper into the rabbit hole.

1:18:20Etienne FontanHow is the starship in your garage doing?

1:18:29SpeakerWe have test fired the warp engines and created a positive warp field. It's pretty amazing actually.

1:18:41SpeakerI kind of posted on my Facebook this morning. I mean, I've been going to Burning Man and Oregon Country Fair and psychedelic festivals for years and years. And, you know, every time you come home, it's like you feel this, like, lack of, you know, like you're not where you need to be. And now it's like with the starship in the garage, it's like home is that place.

1:19:05SpeakerIt's when I go to the store to buy food that I feel out of place now. What's up, Marcel's homie? This is Mike Warren. This is definitely one of the major players responsible for creating all these Millies. When Mike and I made our first Millie together, I had never made a significant Millie before. So, you know, that was all made with the assistance of other people like Mike.

1:19:40SpeakerIn that case, it was Delene Peralta that led the build on that particular coin, you know, so I'm not the... I haven't been the Millie guy, but Mike is Mr. Millie Mike Warren. He's been the Millie guy for... Over 20 years and it's just been amazing to combine our skill sets where he can capitalize on everything I've learned and I can capitalize on what he's learned and the results are... Well, that's one of your powers, Marcel.

1:20:10BubblemanYou always create this energy that's like, damn, I don't really do millies. Boom, all of a sudden, oh, hey, what's up? You do millies? Yeah, yeah, for like 20 years. You attract all the right people. That's why you're running this, you know, that's why this is kind of like partially your vision. And for those of you that don't know, we're talking about a starship in every garage.

1:20:32BubblemanThis is this like, I mean, how do you even put it into words, dude? We've talked about it for hours. I mean, do you have like a two-minuter that you can... Well, you know what?

1:20:41SpeakerI've actually gotten a lot better at it. You know, the next coin we're considering making... Each coin has a statement, and one of the next ones that's coming up, it may not be the next one, but the statement is going to be, this is not an IOU. And I think that's something that's really been coming through with the coin project is, it's typically, even myself when I started with it, I was thinking of it like a fiat currency or another IOU system where we would be Creating these coins as just a more permanent version of a paper IOU like a promise to pay.

1:21:26SpeakerBut what's come to light is that we're making art units. So what it is is it's actual art unitized in pieces that are convenient for trade. So... Rather than have a trading pieces of paper which are a debt, a promise to pay, when you trade with art unit coins, you're trading actual art. It's a commodity. So, you know, there is no promise to pay and there is no bank that has to honor the coin and it also means there are a lot less rules governing the creation and the utilization of this thing because, again, We're working with actual pieces of art that have their value and that's what we're seeing with the coins as we actually create them is they literally have the value that we say they do and then some.

1:22:25Etienne FontanThat's awesome, Marcel. I think Denny needs to step out. We just wanted to say thank you to Denny for coming in and giving us his perspective from a professional athlete's perspective on utilizing cannabis and his perspective.

1:22:42SpeakerGuys, for sure. Thank you very much. I really appreciate coming on to the show.

1:22:51BubblemanWe'll get you back, dude. We'll get you back when we do our full athlete show with Eugene and some other athletes that have come on. We're going to do a whole panel of athletes.

1:23:02SpeakerAwesome, for sure. I'm going to be fighting EBI 7 July 16th. We're going to be live on UFC Fight Pass, and I'll be in 16-man sub only, EBI rules, and it's going to be a great show, so if anybody wants to see me compete live, Tune in July 16th, UFC Fight Pass. Guys, thank you very much for everything. Have a wonderful day. Stay blessed. We'll be rooting for you, brother.

1:23:31SpeakerThank you very much. Much love.

1:23:34BubblemanAlright, so yeah, that was Denny. He was a three-time world jiu-jitsu champion that uses cannabis to focus himself during his... During his fighting and whatnot, so he shared his perspective with us, which was pretty cool. And he was out there. He was really ethereal, you know, and I appreciated it. People were like, what's this guy talking about? That's why when you came in, Marcel, I was like, oh, fuck, if they didn't know what Denny was talking about, they may as well just get the fuck out of here right now.

1:24:00BubblemanMarcel's about to drop some shit.

1:24:05Etienne FontanY'all been working like mad, Marcel. I follow you on Facebook, and the team there at the Starship has really been fucking at its paces this week. What have you all been doing?

1:24:19SpeakerWell, you know, the last project was post-DFO, so there was all kinds of people in town for DFO, and I've always demoed at the actual DFO event for six years now. And so this year I kind of just decided to bring people into my home. And so we had this amazing party. You know, it started off, I cooked for everyone off the side of the shop. And then we came in and just blew glass all night long.

1:24:48SpeakerWe created the most recent Sacred Economy coin. The denomination is 0.0 to infinity. So it's a gift coin. And the inscription was, the possibilities are endless. And there's pictures all over Facebook of us laying the letters on, and we kind of went about it in a completely unexpected way, at least from the perspective of how lamp workers normally create murine. And, you know, it was just a great experience.

1:25:23SpeakerIt was a great vibe to be able to lay that down and surprise everyone. Even the team was surprised at the approach that I took for the laying of the letters. And let me tell you, when I saw the pictures of it, it was pretty surprising. I mean, that one picture where it looks like we're just laying the whole strip on in one go, it was actually two moves, but they took a picture of the second one beginning and

1:25:51SpeakerI don't know if I can pull that up very easily or not, but it was just such a beautiful time to be able to not only do the work that we're doing and create the trade medium and do all the other stuff, but to be able to contribute to The field of glass art in the way of like demonstrating what's possible and you know showing some of this equipment and stuff that frankly you know most people would gain access to this level of capability and they would they would really try hard to to keep it in their circle and to capitalize on it and uh not everyone but a lot of people would you know and so that's kind of what we're what we're about is setting that example of The entire community will be uplifted more if the objective of operations is to uplift the community.

1:26:49SpeakerAnd so that's really where a lot of the security comes from in a sacred economy is knowing that the people in the economy are in it to ensure your security. And knowing that you're in the economy to ensure Other people's security. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I blow glass and I create these processes to make sure that other people will be able to blow glass and create new processes.

1:27:22BubblemanDude, it's like you're trying to create a sustainable economy based on empathy and compassion.

1:27:30SpeakerYes, and I am not the only one.

1:27:35BubblemanFucking rights.

1:27:37SpeakerThat is a soundbite for you. That was good. That was great. People need to hear it. What about an insurance policy? What happens if something happens to you? If something happens to me? Yeah. I am going to assume that it's kind of like the 300, and if something happens to me, people will just walk right across my dead body and keep up the work. Oh. All right.

1:28:07SpeakerFuck me.

1:28:08Etienne FontanDude.

1:28:08BubblemanThat's good. That's good.

1:28:12Etienne FontanWell, I think we're all providing for, you know, we're working for something bigger than ourselves at some point. I've always worked for seven generations to come, so if we can somehow, you know, sit under the shade of this tree that we never anticipated sitting under, then why not build a starship?

1:28:30SpeakerExactly. Absolutely exactly. You know, I mean, it's... It's amazing. Oh, we've been seeing a lot of Bob around here, too. He's been coming around at nights. This is like an early 90s top hat. Nice. Gotta shout out the Oregon people every once in a while, you know. I don't do it enough, but I got some fam out there, and they're part of our whole crew, you know.

1:29:02SpeakerSnodgrass family's been around a while.

1:29:05BubblemanFirst time I've seen that shit was in the early 90s on Fish Tour. Seeing the color changing pipe, Bob's Nodgrass pipe. 93 actually. Fish at the Commodore Ballroom with Baby Gramps opening up. Baby Gramps, for those of you that don't know, sings the song that's like the longest in the world record book, Palindrome. It's like the song is forwards and backwards, it's the same. It's pretty trippy.

1:29:33Etienne FontanYeah, it would be 93 for me, dead shows, seeing an actual snodgrass, somebody pulling it. The first time I saw somebody pull a pipe out of a padded pouch and go check this out. The color changes as you smoke it.

1:29:48SpeakerYeah, yeah, that was it.

1:29:52Etienne FontanYeah, and the skulls, the skulls in them, just you could see as they would come out, you'd be like, what the fuck? That was the shit, man. Bob's still the shit. I'm glad he's coming around, Marcel. That is a good influence of an artist to have around your shop. Absolutely.

1:30:09SpeakerHey, Jessica. Oh, look, this is my lovely lady, Jessica Boggs. Hi.

1:30:14Etienne FontanThere she is.

1:30:15SpeakerMuch better half.

1:30:16Etienne FontanIsn't that Mama to Be Boggs?

1:30:19SpeakerYes, exactly. I was just going to say, she's got our little baby on board, starship in her garage.

1:30:25BubblemanOh, my God.

1:30:26Etienne FontanCongratulations.

1:30:28BubblemanThank you. That's so good. We just had another baby a couple years ago with like an 11-year break as my daughter is 15 and my son is going to be 13 soon. So then we had the 11-year, 12-year break and now we just had another one two years ago and it's the best thing to ever happen. He's awesome.

1:30:46SpeakerI'm feeling the same way. I mean, Astrid's 11 right now and she's just the right age to, you know, change a couple diapers and be present with her sibling and

1:30:58BubblemanYou'll be super stoked.

1:31:01SpeakerIt's really exciting.

1:31:03BubblemanThat's super awesome, dude. Congratulations to both of you. And to all of you that are around the both of you as well because, man, they're going to benefit from it too.

1:31:13SpeakerYeah.

1:31:15BubblemanBaby in the kiln. I like that. Joshua Corpy says baby in the kiln.

1:31:21Etienne FontanSo, Jessica, how does it feel to blow glass for two?

1:31:23SpeakerYeah.

1:31:27BubblemanNo doubt, that's hilarious, Etienne, with the glasses. That's a cool t-shirt.

1:31:31SpeakerThat would be a cool t-shirt. Blowing glasses, too. Blowing glasses, too.

1:31:39BubblemanYeah, with the very visible baby bump. Yeah, I think that would be a good, very good. Yes, bomb rip for Marcel and Jessica and their unborn child. Because although they say we need to keep it away from the children, we know better that cannabinoids are for everyone. Children included.

1:32:00SpeakerYes, congratulations. Thank you.

1:32:05BubblemanI'm so excited for you guys. You gotta come back up here, dude. You used to come up here all the time, bro. I miss that.

1:32:13SpeakerI know, dude. It's, uh... It's definitely, you know, one of those things with daily life and being another, you know, whatever, 400 miles farther away than I used to be.

1:32:24BubblemanOh, I know, 400 miles. It was so easy when you were in Bellingham.

1:32:30SpeakerRight, right, and yeah, definitely. I mean, next time I'm in Bellingham, it'll probably be pretty easy to make it up there.

1:32:41BubblemanDo it for sure. I'm literally three doors down from where we used to trip balls and have the best time ever. Like, I live three doors down from that house.

1:32:53SpeakerWhich way? Past the McMansion or the other way?

1:32:56BubblemanBefore you get to it. Three houses before you get to it. That big house.

1:33:02SpeakerYep. I'm in that house. Okay, cool. Yeah. Cool. All those houses in that area are super nice.

1:33:11BubblemanOh yeah, it's sweet, dude. It's changing, it's changing. It used to be like the people that build houses here and that came here were people that kind of couldn't afford to live in Vancouver and now it's turning into this like people are coming here and paying outrageous amounts of cash for houses. My neighbor just sold his for $2.5 million and it cost him like $700,000 like two years ago to build and buy the property.

1:33:37SpeakerAnd I feel bad for those people because what they don't realize is it's the people that make the neighborhood. You know, they're attracted to that area because the quality people that weren't over-prioritizing money were moving out there because it's a quality nature area.

1:33:52BubblemanAnd now those people are like, can't afford to stay. They're like, I have to sell my house. It's just they're offering me too much. And I'm like, oh, don't do it.

1:33:59SpeakerDon't do it.

1:34:02BubblemanWell, I certainly won't be. Nice. I know the value of my land. And it's not monetary.

1:34:10SpeakerExactly. I mean, that's the real reality of it is it's just not monetary. Like, that's how I feel about my land. It's just like I'm here to steward it, you know. And, you know, I'm super blessed. We have, we actually have two properties here. So one is where the shop is that I'm talking to you from. And then the other is like just a more normal, just like house on a yard, like right next to the shop.

1:34:33SpeakerAnd so I'm able to really provide like a, An environment for glass artists to create that has all the facilities of a farm and a home and a shop without actually having to be without a space for my family that's sort of normal, you know. Because it's a stretch. I'm constantly stretching to live in the ideas that we are creating as a group of people. You know, it's like It takes work from everyone and even like, even as supported as I am, I mean, we're literally operating this shop based on what people are willing to give rather than what we can take.

1:35:22SpeakerYou know, so it's like if I, if we need glass to make the coins, I literally go to the color companies and ask them for it and I tell them about the project and what we're doing and they're like, you know what, that's awesome and they give us the glass. You know, so, I mean, we've melted over 1,000 pounds of colored glass since we started in January, you know, and that stuff's not cheap.

1:35:52SpeakerNo shit. Right? And then, you know, the gas that goes along with it, we've probably burned, like, maybe 2,000 to 3,000 gallons of propane, uncountable liquid oxygen tanks. Well, I'm sure they counted them, but... You know, there's five tanks in front of the shop right now and we're shut down. So, you know, at the peak of January's project, I think we counted like nine tanks at one time.

1:36:21SpeakerSo it's just, you know, the resources that we've been able to focalize are tremendous already. And I feel like the energy is just barely beginning. We're like a tiny, precious seedling. Just barely beginning to express, you know, the majesty of an oak tree. So, you know, already consuming these amounts of resources, this is a good thing. When I have my baby, I'm going to be very happy when it drinks lots of milk, you know.

1:36:54Etienne FontanSo can you show us the latest creation?

1:36:59SpeakerYes, hold on.

1:37:04BubblemanJust sitting right in front of the torch, too. That's just awesome.

1:37:09Etienne FontanYeah, you've got to love glass blowers. Yeah, if anybody gets a chance, they have videos all throughout the week. They've been posting on Facebook of that whole crew working, which is just like, it's an interesting teamwork to watch go down, and it is very, very fascinating to watch go down.

1:37:34SpeakerJesus, look at the fucking size of that. Okay, so this is about half of the cane. There's three more pieces over under the kiln. It's just, this is all I could carry. That's a whole. That is insane.

1:37:50BubblemanThe possibilities are endless. Infinity. That's insane.

1:37:55SpeakerInfinity over 0.0, so this is the, this coin can be Made into a gift attestation at any value.

1:38:08BubblemanDamn.

1:38:10Etienne FontanImpressive. That thing was huge.

1:38:13BubblemanYeah, that's a huge cane, dude. Like, what the hell?

1:38:17SpeakerI'm fairly certain this is the largest one to date. The pole was... All the pieces that we annealed ended up weighing 22.4 pounds.

1:38:32SpeakerAnd then the actual usable image, like what I just showed you, including some kind of not quite all the way round image was 18.3 pounds.

1:38:47BubblemanDamn. Yeah, some of the photos were pretty incredible, dude. Let's see if we can show a few. I'll try to...

1:38:58SpeakerI think there's a... The last post on my wall is an awesome photo, one of my favorites.

1:39:04BubblemanRight.

1:39:09Etienne FontanSo what's next for the shop? What are y'all doing next?

1:39:14SpeakerI actually just turned all the furnaces down. We've got some maintenance that has to happen. A couple of our lids need replaced. Oregon Country Fair is this week, so I'm kind of getting ready to go out there and express the project, you know, through living it. And outside of that, we're going out to the Michigan project here in a few. You know, my objective, as soon as we finish with the fair, is to...

1:39:52SpeakerTo create as many more coins as possible, we have to do some polishing, even basically this week of this coin.

1:40:03SpeakerYou know, just a lot of day-to-day administration is what I've actually been thinking about and looking forward to in the last couple of days. It's been a really, like, important waypoint of just getting through the DFO and completing this demonstration of really letting the community know, because we're so blessed that as a group, the Glass family gathers once a year around the DFO, and almost, you know, just so many of us are there.

1:40:38SpeakerObviously not everyone can be there every year, but so many of us are there, and almost all of us are there in spirit, so... You know, I really, I spent the whole year, like, looking to last Sunday's demo and working to make it happen appropriately. So it's, I mean, my immediate reaction when you ask me what's next, it's just kind of like, we just got there.

1:41:05SpeakerAnd obviously I have plans and I have vision for the future. But right at the moment, the next thing I'm going to do is probably continue to just like bask in the vibration of being present, you know, here at the shop and with my friends.

1:41:25BubblemanAnd how do people go about acquiring some coins if they have an interest in collecting or trading or however it is they acquire one? Do they come to these events that you're putting on? Do they come directly? Where you guys are at or do you guys have a little schedule or are they just going out from where you guys are and wherever they go they end up?

1:41:46SpeakerYeah, I mean my, you know one of the things that I struggle with is finding the ability to be like all the way present with all the people that I encounter on a daily basis and it's, you know, it's overwhelmingly difficult to like To cultivate that full presence at all times and so you end up kind of making choices about how you can, what's the best way to open as much of this energy as possible and to build into being able to manage more of it in the first place.

1:42:27SpeakerSo really the best way is to come, just literally come here and engage. You know, and unless I'm actually gone on a trip, you know, I'm pretty much here, like, managing or focalizing the project. And what we're really looking for is people that can actually just come and be present, and rather than show up and be like, here I am at your service, like a military sort of organization, it's much more about showing up and being present and observing Seeing what's going on, understanding what the goals are, and then adding your own unique vision to how you can help it.

1:43:11SpeakerBecause a gift economy doesn't function on sacrifice, it functions on abundance. So there isn't a benefit to coming and giving more into the gift economy than you can afford to give, because then you end up infusing stress. It's always been meant to be everyone gives the little bit, the part that's extra, the part that they don't need, and by making that very fluid and very available in the community, that's what builds the security of having an overall, of everyone taking care of each other because, you know, you're not under an obligation to give until it hurts, but you You're more under an obligation to not save for a rainy day because that ends up hurting other community members rather than keeping these resources in play.

1:44:10SpeakerAnd that's the basic premise of a sacred economy is that you play all your cards.

1:44:19SpeakerWow.

1:44:20BubblemanInteresting, dude. Very cool. Very cool. Well, it's still going for you. You've been doing it for a while now. It seems to be a growing energy from what I've seen just in the social media as well, like Chan was mentioning. And I showed some of the pictures. I'm not sure if you noticed there while you were talking about it. I went through all those pictures of you guys producing that, Millie.

1:44:43SpeakerOh, those are great pictures. That was at Goofball Glass. At Goofball Glass shot all those pictures, or many of them.

1:44:50BubblemanNice. Good fun. I would love to be Photographing shit like that. I hate not being allowed down over the border. I can't wait to fix that.

1:45:01SpeakerThat's getting fixed, right?

1:45:04BubblemanYeah, well, I mean, I'm not breaking laws, and I'm a good citizen, and I haven't been arrested in over 20 years or something, so I think I'm allowed. I'm applying for a waiver. We'll see what they say.

1:45:17Etienne FontanIt's fascinating, Marcel, to watch your team and your teamwork and how y'all are able to work so seamlessly. Y'all make it look very easy because I know how difficult it is having worked in glass shops and watched glass blowing. But just kudos on making the art look like art to all of your team.

1:45:38SpeakerI was just going to say I was at the Great Canadian Glass Gathering at Red Pier's event there last weekend. I spent nine days watching glassblowers come together, do collabs, and I have a whole new respect for glassblowers. I picked up some nice marbles from Freddie, and I got some really cool, awesome pipes from some of the other guys, from Nico, and you know, it's just amazing the work that you guys put into it, and just the art, watching the dedication, staying up all night watching these guys running out their oxygen tanks and stuff.

1:46:11SpeakerIt was really... Really a whole different view for me and I respect it a lot and I love your work. I've sat and talked to you in the past and now I look at it in a whole different light again. Thank you for what you guys do to the community. It's like bringing us all together. You guys define it. That's how they were saying it. Define what we all do for that planet.

1:46:31SpeakerIt's awesome. Thanks. Awesome. Yeah, thank you. Hey, check it out. My friend Blake Gonzo Glass just walked into the school over here.

1:46:42SpeakerCome over here! He does the hashtag Glass Glow Harder. He's actually the first person we gave any of the letters to. Him and Ryan McClure built Glass Glow Harder. I have some coins. They're actually next door though. Yeah, very thankful to be able to get in on the project and get the first letters.

1:47:06SaboI actually have the first piece that we made with it right here.

1:47:13BubblemanYeah, dude.

1:47:15SaboGlass blow harder.

1:47:17BubblemanGlass blow harder.

1:47:19SpeakerYeah.

1:47:20BubblemanRight on, dude. Righties on there. Beauty.

1:47:25SpeakerThose are actually UV as well.

1:47:28BubblemanBlack light-ish. Of course it is. Classic. I remember the first time Slinger showed me UV marbles. It was actually just a couple doors down. We had them in my sink and we turned the light off and then put the black light on and I actually have a pretty incredible photo of all these marbles that he did just glowing with that uranium. It'd be trippy.

1:47:52SpeakerYeah. Heck yeah. Yeah, Blake. Oh, man. I guess we're going to have to dab it. Yeah, I already was, yeah. I have a nail in the car. This is actually kind of a heartbreaking thing about Glass is that Blake was just bringing this by to show me that we have some checking issues in... The R. I think it's the R, which isn't surprising because the story of the R is like an epic battle.

1:48:18SaboAnd like...

1:48:21SpeakerI don't know. It was like...

1:48:25SpeakerMarcel's problem brought to you by the letter R. So, you know, when we make these letters, it's like, the R is actually a pretty hard letter because it has curves and straight lines and it's like that D shape and then that V shape and you kind of have to bring them together and as I was making these letters, we did the whole alphabet and I had to do R several times.

1:48:49SpeakerIt was just, it became more and more difficult and One of the ways I've been dealing with my clumsiness and inability to make the material do what I want has been to increase the scale, because the thinking is that a bigger blob is, well, bigger, so it does two things for you. One, it's a little more controllable in the sense that it's, you know, a rougher shaping job, and two, it's, as a

1:49:20SpeakerAs a bigger element, it compresses more, so your margin of error is bigger. Anyways, so the R became the biggest letter early on. It's in a starship in every garage, so it had to be in the first 13 letters that we did. I kept solving the problem. Well, I wasn't solving the problem, but eventually I got to making what amounted to a double-sized letter. It was basically like a D and a V as far as how I was making it.

1:49:47SpeakerAnd we got to the point where the final procedure is to dip the letter in the slime and that's the last step and it puts a hot layer of glass around the whole item and it starts to soak in and that engages the stretching. And so I went to put the R into the top of the furnace and we opened the door and it just wouldn't fit.

1:50:15SpeakerIt was like literally too big to go into the furnace through the normal gathering door, which is an eight inch circle. And I kind of just, I looked at it and I was like, we're going for the big door. Here we go. And

1:50:32SpeakerThis is almost embarrassing. We work with shields all the time. So I'm used to being pretty much unprotected and depending on my team to protect me. But here we were, we're going into a completely new procedure of opening the big door, which is like the entire top of one of these furnaces. And so... As we prepared for this whole situation and everyone's like, what? He's opening the big door.

1:51:01SpeakerOh my goodness. And people are, you know, putting different, you know, everyone's like putting gear on. And one of the last things I remember is somebody walks up to me and is like, do you want to gear up at all? Like maybe put on a sweatshirt or something? And I'm like, no, no, let's go. We got this. And I already had my like long sleeves and everything.

1:51:19SpeakerBut like long sleeves is kind of, Not all the way, but... So I arranged everyone and we had people holding the body shields and what... We opened the door and I go in and there's a couple things that I just didn't really completely anticipate. Like, one is... Mike, do you want to get in there too? You just got to be in here. Move over, move that way just a little bit.

1:51:46SpeakerYou're still looking for your glasses? Oh, we'll find them. Anyway, so... It actually, the people holding the body shields, even though they're like a four foot long handle, need shields themselves. So we had our body shielders getting burned, and we didn't anticipate that the door, when you open the big door, it doesn't open out of the way. It opens kind of like a radar dish. So it was basically...

1:52:13SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:52:35SpeakerThe third unanticipated thing happened, which I should have anticipated again because it has happened before, but it just... So when you put something into a crucible that's almost as big as the crucible, there isn't very much room for the glass to flow around the cold object. Displacement. Yeah. So you get this suction effect. And if you try and lift too fast, you'll just pick the whole crucible up out of the kiln rather than just the glass you're trying to take out.

1:53:07SpeakerSo basically we went in and I was standing on the ground without gear. We dipped in. I still don't wear gear actually just for the record. That dragon skin upgrade. Yeah. And so we're trying to pull it out and essentially it took... There must have been like eight or nine of us standing around and I'm screaming. I'm like yelling, bring me a ladder, I need something to stand on because I was too low to put any force on it and everyone's lifting but what happened was people would get in, get a hand on the pipe and we'd start lifting it and then they'd start burning up and they'd have to bone out.

1:53:49SpeakerAnd then if everyone stopped at the same time it would start sinking back in. So we had this like... Total like crazy high pressure moment where everyone was like putting themselves into harm's way to like pull this thing out slowly out of the pot. My homie Matt, Matt Dubois Radglass, he ended up just taking the shears. As soon as he could see the bottom, he like stabbed in just above where we were going to make the cut and he just like leaned down on the side of the pot.

1:54:18SpeakerIt was like fuck the kiln, get the milly out. And leveraged it out at the last minute. And so we like, we get this thing out, he cuts the tail off, and I'm like, I'm standing there holding this thing, wondering if I'm just going to hit the floor. Like, at any moment, I'm just like, I'm just like, stay conscious, you know, you have to manage this thing, and I'm like, I wobble out, and I remember there's this big, long strand of Slime like wobbling off the end of the pot and I look, I turn around to like walk towards like the Marver or the Glory Hole or the bench or something and the whole team is just a wreck behind me.

1:54:57SpeakerEveryone's just like, huh? And I look up and there's literally like this was during projects so there was like 50 people in the shop and everyone's like all on the upper level and every surface you can see in the shop is just full of people and they're all just looking at me like, Is he going to hit the floor? Is he going to pass out? What's going on right now?

1:55:19SpeakerThat was crazy. I look up and I just, I looked at everybody and I said, Arr!

1:55:31SpeakerThe whole room just like pirate ard answered me back and it was just this like, It was crazy. It was like on a video game where you're like about to die. You've got like one hit point left. You don't know what's going to happen. And then you get the like magic star super invincibility. It just like came across me like a fucking rainbow fractal hitting me like a freight train.

1:55:55SpeakerIt was nuts. It was one of the most beautiful things I've ever experienced. And just in the space of like a moment, I became like completely energized and present and like back into the back into the fight it was crazy and then we so then this thing is still the biggest craziest thing ever and I like get it we clip it and it start and then we start to uh kind of warm it up for the pull and it again it's like the largest thing we dealt with up to that point and it started to get a little bit long and Like we were going to go for the pull and when they get long, you have to lift the whole weight of it as it comes off center.

1:56:40SpeakerAnd, oh man, it was just crazy, dude. It was like, there was much yelling, there was much saving from the team. Like, it was, the second big moment right before the pull, it was crawling off the yoke. Because what happens is it cocks off center and then the weight makes the pipe want to raise. And so even though you're turning it, to turn the weight, it'll make it come off the pipe.

1:57:09SpeakerAnd I was turning it, giving it all the strength that I had, meaning my whole chest and stomach was on the pipe to try and put extra weight under the yoke. And it was like crawling off like quarter inch by quarter inch and it was like bumping up onto the side of the yoke. And I don't have a guard that would like actually stop it from coming off.

1:57:29SpeakerSo it was like about to fall which would have been like disaster for the piece. And I started yelling like a friend of mine I know. I was just yelling. I was like, ooh, there are no fucking glass blowers in here that know how to help turn a pipe. And then just out of the blue, somebody just comes running from the back of the crowd and fucking grabs that pipe.

1:57:50SpeakerAnd it was Poe, Charlie Lowry's longtime assistant, one of my mentors in the hot shop, and definitely the person I learned to keep a team present with. He comes just running. He's like, I know what to do when people start yelling. He got on that pipe. And then, oh man, it was such an epic moment. That was pretty amazing, dude, for sure.

1:58:18BubblemanI mean, I'm not a glassblower, but I can see it through your eyes.

1:58:22SpeakerI can see the whole fucking thing, man, like a movie from that story, man. Well said. Well told.

1:58:30Etienne FontanThank you. So you said something has happened to this R? What has happened? What has transpired in layman's terms?

1:58:37SpeakerSo the glass that we're using... It changes its COE, which is its coefficient of expansion. Basically, if you cook it for too long, it starts to crack. And the R itself has apparently some... That glass was a little more cooked and it could have been from the epicness of... Dealing with it, and it also could have been because it's scraping off the side of the pot. The slime glass has a reaction with the side of the pot.

1:59:10SpeakerWe don't actually have enough information to equivocally say what's going on, but we do know that that piece is not a quote-unquote sellable item. I tried to fix it once already and it came back.

1:59:23BubblemanAnd so here's a good question to bring it back to sort of the hash church concept and idea. How big... How important of a part does cannabis or concentrates play in this entire experience?

1:59:39SpeakerI don't think it's really possible to separate it. For as long as I know, it's kind of been like you grew it, I blew it.

1:59:50SpeakerYou know, it's not necessarily even about the exchanges that happen, it's about the support that happens. You know, like there's, when you're learning to blow glass, it's absolutely necessary that people buy your work and whatever people buy is going to be what you make. So if you're surrounded by compassionate people that want to buy what you should be making or what you want to make then it's going to be a much more enjoyable experience and for me the cannabis industry has been just always about that and as long as I was willing to go out on a limb and make something crazy that I just felt like should be made somebody was willing to step up and give me what I needed to make it again.

2:00:39BubblemanI know, dude. I know. I can't still believe it. Of course, I've told the story before, but really the way I met Marcel was Slinger brought him up with this ridiculous piece, and he was kind of like, Slinger was getting me into glass. I was smoking all these joints, and he was like, no, no, you've got to check out glass. And I was like, yeah, glass is amazing.

2:00:56BubblemanAnd then all of a sudden, Marcel shows up with this just ridiculous piece that I think it was about $2,500 US, but for the US Canadian dollar, it was about $4,000 Canadian dollars. And I remember just being like, that's just completely ridiculous. Like, who in their right mind could even possibly buy that? Like, it's just, it almost was like, it almost bothered me. And then by like two hours later, we were smoking out of it because I bought it.

2:01:26SpeakerI still got that pipe. That thing's awesome. I titled that one number one because it was the first all-out throwdown of the most epic sculpture I could conceive of and the most high-end patterns that I was capable of. Yeah. And just no expense was spared.

2:01:46BubblemanI feel that. Yeah, beautiful dichro. Everything about it I love. It's a great piece. Big fucking giant can on that thing. And to be able to pop with that in a time where pieces like that, I guess, were more rare. I didn't really, I didn't know anyone with a piece like that. And every single person that I pulled that pipe out and smoked with, every single person was like, I've never seen, even seen anything like that, let alone smoked out of that.

2:02:17BubblemanAnd I just, I used to carry it around in a fucking box full of peanuts. Just like the front seat of my car. Of my vehicle, you know, with the seatbelt on, just like roll around with it, pull that thing out everywhere.

2:02:29SpeakerHey, what's up? You guys want a sash? People would be like, what the fuck?

2:02:35BubblemanOctopus and marbles and, oh man, good times with the Marcel No. 1 for sure. Yes, Jason Icke, you can see that pipe is definitely on IG. It's the taller one with the octopus. The smaller one was No. 3 that he did that year. And then number two, I believe, got given away at the WE Festival in Oregon?

2:02:58SpeakerYeah, I think so. I think so, yeah. And then, actually, I wish I had it to show you guys. A friend of mine just brought by a double dolphin, double bubbler from, like, 1997 that I made way back then.

2:03:19SpeakerJust a heads up, he's looking to sell it if anyone's interested. You can get a hold of me on that. Sorry to spam.

2:03:25BubblemanHey, that's not spam. That's like a historic piece, dude. 97?

2:03:31SpeakerYeah. Oh, it's like right in there. It's one of the pieces that I made right around the same time as I did number one, basically. So I want to say it's...

2:03:48SpeakerThis before, it's probably the year before. Right. Or even months before that piece, because it was more of a, it was, that, the piece that Jose had was a, was a trial run of using the headiest patterns and not having the sculpture be like all the way, um, You know, it doesn't have attachments. It's a foot, and it's the sculptural vessel, but it was kind of just an exploration of the form clean to practice.

2:04:26BubblemanCool, very cool. Shit, well, maybe I'll have to get in touch with you about that.

2:04:31SpeakerIt's an amazing piece. It would be a great addition to your historics.

2:04:38BubblemanHistorics, hell yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Then there's someone in the chat going, I was thinking of buying pieces on DHgate and selling them at the flea market. You could make bank.

2:04:54BubblemanOh, shames.

2:04:58SpeakerYeah, I don't know. DHgate.

2:05:05BubblemanYeah, I can imagine you don't know. I mean, I feel the same way in a sense, yet I don't at the same time. I'm not an artist, but I have my product is copied and made in China and made much more inexpensively and cheaper in a sense, meaning that the product doesn't work as well as it should because of the corners that are cut. And they often throw my name on it even more so, like the same way they do Mothership and other companies that get well known.

2:05:31BubblemanThey just do it, but... I just feel I just focus on my own thing and make it better and I can't really control, you know, those other things that are constantly happening whereas people are just... You can't control douchebaggery. There's no controlling douchebaggery. Yeah, okay, but here's another question. My mentor, Ron, he recently literally got a piece like that because he knows he's going to break it.

2:06:00BubblemanYou can't afford a multi-hundred dollar piece, let alone a multi-thousand dollar piece. He's not willing to put, you know, he's putting his money into different things. And so he ended up just getting himself an inexpensive piece. What do we say to a guy like that? Is that wrong for him to have gotten that piece? Should he have supported a local blower in Nelson and paid much more, much less?

2:06:24SpeakerMaybe a local blower should have supported him. Right. In the sense of, you know, but how many local blowers have that security of being, you know, unworried financially themselves? I mean, that's where the gift economy starts to shine is when you have to make these sacrifices That involves other people making sacrifices. So to us, it's like a first world problem. Oh, I could only afford a DHGate bong.

2:06:57SpeakerBut that DHGate bong exists because someone made an actual sacrifice to go into a glass shop in China and endured shitty working conditions and underappreciation of their effort in order to create that thing. So So by it's that that opportunity for if if everyone who blew glass was financially secure then we could give a lot more pieces away and if

2:07:33SpeakerIt just rolls all the way downhill. It doesn't have to be just one industry that gets that support. If the people at the fuel station showed up to work and pumped the gas out of the fuel truck and into the tanks, they would be able to pump it into people's cars the same way that they do now. It just takes people having a different understanding of Why they're doing that.

2:07:58SpeakerPeople need to understand that I'm a gas station attendant because people need to go places and I'm a valuable part of getting people where they need to go. And that alone is enough. And people need to understand that that's enough and that that person deserves a vacation house on the beach as much as anyone else. Given the state of all these things, all that stuff is shareable.

2:08:25SpeakerIt's just a pure matter of people having a shift in their mind state and everyone jumping into the pool at the same time. And that's what Project 33 is about, is just kind of giving a game that people can play where we can still have the interactions and exchanges that we like to have, but have it based on gift. You know, because what the tokens are is they're created from gifts.

2:08:50SpeakerPeople get together to create the tokens, so when you trade with them, you're trading in, the root of that trade was actually a gift from somebody to somebody else. So, that, it just changes the whole effect, magically speaking, of all of the things that you put your energy into.

2:09:16BubblemanYeah, we were just talking about it in chat a little bit. Someone's saying it's morally corrupt to support that. And then I'm thinking, well, what about California? I know that the majority of the agricultural products wouldn't have profit margins if it weren't for migrant labor of people who are doing the exact same situation you just mentioned. They're dealing with a much lower quality of experience. They're getting paid much less for it.

2:09:42BubblemanAnd because of it, you can buy strawberries in California. If they weren't picking those strawberries, we probably couldn't get those strawberries because most of the people who were born in America are like, fuck that, I'm not picking those strawberries, no fucking way. It's a crazy situation, right? There's a lot of situations in life where people are dealing with a much worse situation than they should be in order to get paid a shitty wage so that someone in the middle can profit off of...

2:10:11BubblemanAnd those people are happy.

2:10:13SpeakerThe smaller people, they find happiness in all that shit where guys that are making the profit don't find any happiness. Well, that's exactly it. Some people who are super wealthy are super unhappy. And honestly, the act of passing judgment on what other people are, on the choices other people are making is a waste because the statements that people are You know, the compassionate perspective is to understand that everyone is doing the best that they can.

2:10:48SpeakerAnd to go with that and then to just do the best that you can and give as much as you can and don't worry about what other people are doing because it's not going to help you or them. Well put.

2:11:03BubblemanI like your thinking, dude. I like your thinking. I'll puff to that.

2:11:08SpeakerOh, yeah. And if anyone would like to explore these thoughts in a way more articulate manner, check out the work of Charles Eisenstein. He's written quite a few books and blogs and all kinds of things. He has a Patreon that you can go and you can support him to create his artwork as well. Anyways, if It's Charles Eisenstein, and he writes about the sacred economy. He actually coined the term sacred economy.

2:11:42SpeakerSo he has some really specific ideas about what it might look like for society as a whole to pass through this portal.

2:11:53BubblemanCharles Eisenstein. Cool. D420K is searching them out. D420K made some beautiful rosin here recently and gifted it to me. I'm really quite enjoying it. It's some bubble hash rosin that he whipped up through the Sasquatch. Shit is fire right there.

2:12:14SpeakerOh, hell yeah. Puffing that last night, it's so tasty. It's like yogurt. Always enjoy...

2:12:27BubblemanWe made it back. Welcome back, Tony.

2:12:32SpeakerOh, sorry. In the gallery room. In the gallery room.

2:12:38BubblemanAnd what's going on with Rob and Dave? Sam, you guys just chilling out, puffing bowls off camera?

2:12:44Etienne FontanWhat's up, Bob and Rob? What you guys doing over there in the Netherlands? What are you all doing?

2:12:49SpeakerWe're actually listening to you guys. I mean, your cosmic talking is just so cool, but we don't really have nothing to add.

2:13:02Etienne FontanWell, come on now. And what's new in cannabis? If you two are getting together, you've got to be talking something. So what's going on, gentlemen?

2:13:11SpeakerWe're actually smoking these 20-year-old terpenes, and yeah.

2:13:18SpeakerThey're definitely not as good as other terpenes I've had.

2:13:22Etienne FontanAre they as just disappointing today as they were back then?

2:13:25SpeakerI don't know. I never smoked them back then.

2:13:29BubblemanOoh, that smells like chocolate.

2:13:33Etienne FontanSo, Rob, what do you think? We haven't heard from you, Rob.

2:13:36SpeakerNope.

2:13:42SpeakerBomb rep. Bomb rep.

2:13:48BubblemanWaso Udas says, please ask Rob Clark about his conversation with Neville in Australia. How the fuck do people even know that Rob had a conversation with Neville in Australia? Hi, Rob.

2:14:02SpeakerHi. Hello. Hola, Mr. Baba Rob. Hi, Rob. Is everyone mine? Good to see you.

2:14:10BubblemanReligiously, or at least spiritually, blowing smoke signals to the Vatican, probably since the first day you mentioned it, so there's that.

2:14:18SpeakerThere you go, there you go.

2:14:19BubblemanThere is that, there is that. You were not in Turkey during this airport thing?

2:14:26SpeakerNo, I managed to leave just before the airport thing.

2:14:29BubblemanOh, good, like how... A couple weeks?

2:14:34SpeakerYeah, it's a bit disturbing when they blow shit up in your pub airport, so.

2:14:40BubblemanYeah, that's no good. I definitely was thinking about you.

2:14:44SpeakerThat's alright. They're on a run there. It's not going to end soon. It's just the way it is. That's that part of the world. It's too bad. It's very unfortunate for all the people who are much more directly involved. For anybody in the tourist industry, for instance, you can pretty much forget making any money for the next couple, three years.

2:15:10BubblemanYeah, if they weren't terpenes, they would be the monos, i.e. the most volatile.

2:15:19SpeakerAnyway, it's a good place to visit stuff. If you don't like to run around with a bunch of other tourists, it's an absolutely brilliant time to visit terpenes.

2:15:26BubblemanWell, I definitely want to go. I have every plan to go myself. I wouldn't not go because of something like that. I've been in all sorts of different countries where weird shit's happened, and it happens all over the world, really.

2:15:40SpeakerYeah, it's just, I have a friend who lives in Malaysia. Malaysia's Muslim but relatively peaceful and not problems that impinge on tourists particularly, other than their airline system, but that's another issue. And business is really off there. People just don't want to go to countries tainted by the present reputation of Islam, which is very unfair, but it's... It's the way it is around the world, so it's just what we have to do.

2:16:12BubblemanYeah. Well, it's propagated through the media like mad. It's definitely an agenda. I don't think it happened accidentally. It's intended to perverse the perspective, you know, because I don't believe usually most things I see in the media, Islam-related or not, I usually think that they're a very inaccurate description of what's actually probably happening.

2:16:35SpeakerWell, we don't get anything better than a very partial description of what's happening anyway.

2:16:40Etienne FontanExactly. Going to miss you next week, Rob, at Chalice. Sorry you can't make it out.

2:16:47SpeakerYeah, I just, I'm back after a lot of travel, so I just want to spend some time at home. Hey, there's my buddy Todd.

2:16:53Etienne FontanAnd there's Todd. Yeah, Todd's been asleep because he and I drove down to, well, actually he drove. I just sat in the back seat getting high. We drove down to Dougie's and picked up our chalice.

2:17:07SpeakerOh, yes, the annual ritual.

2:17:09Etienne FontanYeah, we're doing it. He's photographing the whole thing. And I just want to say we stopped at a gas station on the way back, and I want to just say hi to Wave because this guy recognized us from Hash Church and was like, hey, do I know you guys? Are you all on YouTube on Hash Church? And so I just want to say hey to him. But I'm going to miss you next week, Rob.

2:17:32Etienne FontanReally going to miss you.

2:17:33SpeakerYeah, I couldn't make it. I just needed some home time with my hemp and writing and catching up on stuff. I got drastically behind. I had a great trip in Turkey. Look how nice he did it this time. So he put them in these cool little plastic cases. And this is the CBD case. So this is the CBD entries. And It is unbelievable how nice a job they did.

2:17:58SpeakerAnd then look at this year's judges kit.

2:18:01Etienne FontanOh, these judges kits are off the hook. They've got this cool carver, which you can actually, it's for cutting up your... It's basically, it's an e-pin with kind of an electronic tip so you can actually carve your dabs out on your slab.

2:18:21SpeakerNo way. That's what this is, dude. Yeah, that's what this is. Dude, look at all the cool shit that you get in this. Never in my experience of doing any judging do you get this. And sadly, because we got there late, we didn't get the cool chalice bong. We're going to get that one at the event. But he kicked in another one. It was unbelievable. Even the torches have the chalice logo on it.

2:18:44SpeakerHe really goes all out. I've got to say, I've never seen this kind of effort put into a contest ever.

2:18:51Etienne FontanYeah, the professionalism and everything that's represented is, yeah, it's on a whole other level, so congrats to that.

2:18:59SpeakerWell, you say hi to everybody. I'm sorry I'll miss them, but it'll be a good fun. Yeah, we're pumped you're not here.

2:19:09BubblemanYeah, that's definitely the most pimped out judges kit I've ever seen for sure.

2:19:13SpeakerThis is for, this is all of the Rothen entries. Yes, sir. So it's got those five and then a whole bunch of packs. Then wait until you see the BHO kit. Oh my God, I'm so jealous. I picked up Kenny's kit.

2:19:31SpeakerIt's mad.

2:19:33Etienne FontanIt's mad, I tell you.

2:19:37Etienne FontanLook at the amount of entries in this thing, but also how well it's put together, too. I'm judging the rosin. I'm totally jacking Kenny for his kit. No, I'm kidding. I wanted to. When I saw his BHO kit, I was like, oh.

2:19:51SpeakerDude, it is unbelievable. And then look at all these things. There's a gazillion of them. I can't believe how many entries there are.

2:20:02Etienne FontanThat's a lot of testing.

2:20:03SpeakerYeah, it's going to be a lot.

2:20:04Etienne FontanNow, he tested everything, too, so he actually DQ'd any of the concentrates, edibles, cartridges, et cetera, whatever category they were in. If they failed testing, they were DQ'd. So, got to give him props for that. Setting a standard of testing and living up to it. Look, it's got to suck to tell your friends your stuff didn't pass testing.

2:20:31BubblemanOh, what sucks is to have friends who don't have foresight to test their shit before they enter it. That's what sucks.

2:20:38SpeakerAgreed. Weed. Did you know, can I just say something? I love cannabis. We do too, brother. We need to do too, right? We love that stuff.

2:20:52BubblemanWe do too. Yeah, I'm in agreeance with you. I also love cannabis.

2:20:57Etienne FontanSo people are asking why each of us are judges and different. He has different breakdowns for different judges for different product events. So you've got different people who do edibles, people that do, like I said, I'm doing rosin, Kenny's doing BHO. Todd, what are you doing?

2:21:16SpeakerI'm doing, well, I got every kit, but...

2:21:19Etienne FontanBut that's because you're photographing it.

2:21:21SpeakerI'm doing rosin, and... Dude, it's insane. This kid of edibles is off the chain. It's huge.

2:21:29Etienne FontanYeah, we got to see Mila, which was great. She's in town and got to hug and, you know, smoke a little bit with her, so that was cool. And also, Dougie's got a new wisdom apparatus, which is a new banger, which is an airflowed banger, which got to hit, which is pretty fucking cool. So that'll be debuting at Chalice as well, so. We'll be out. We'll see you all at Chalice for sure.

2:21:55SpeakerFractional Distillation Judges Kit. Jesus.

2:22:03SpeakerGetting serious.

2:22:05BubblemanWhile everyone's at Chalice, I'll be at the Cannabis Hemp Conference in Vancouver. It will be not a contest. Yeah, D will be there as well. More like speakers and booths and whatnot, but yeah, it should be interesting. What are you speaking on? I don't really know. I was kind of thinking I might speak a little bit about cannabis photography and how it really helped educate me. Because people are always like, how did you learn about this?

2:22:32BubblemanHow did you, you know, like, did you go to school? They're like, you seem like you really know about this. And I'm like, I'm trying to go back in all that I did to learn about cannabis. And I remember in 2008 when I started macro photographing, I really started to learn a different level of knowledge that went more into the science area. Of the trichome and of the glandular materials and their makeups and how they biosynthesize cannabinoids and about terpenes and terpenoids.

2:23:00BubblemanYou know, like just even the language of the cotyledon and the epicotyl, the first two round leaves that open up and then the first two true leaves, the epicotyl, and learning about that glands are growing at that level with my macro photography and shooting the roots and feeding bugs. It taught me so much that I think I might speak about that while showing specific photos that allow me to take the audience through the learning that it took me years maybe to take them through in about 40 minutes.

2:23:30SpeakerNice. I also will be talking at the hemp conference. Mine's only 10 minutes. Yours is 40, which is awesome. I'll be talking about hemp and health, helping me with my surgery, and a few different things about my fight, and how cannabis has totally helped me, and stuff like that.

2:23:47BubblemanRight on. Yeah, there's like 50 or 60 speakers. Dr. Lumiere is going to be there, the gentleman who discovered the endocannabinoid system, and quite a few other people. So it's going to be a good... Good little event. It won't be quite the Chalice event that you guys are at. I'm definitely envious. I would love to have been down there and had a booth with Tony and represented Bubble Man Brand and Blue River and just past church even.

2:24:12BubblemanIt would have been a blast to have a hash church booth at Chalice. I'm sure we probably could have organized one from Dougie pretty easily. Maybe next year.

2:24:22SpeakerThe year's not over, my friend. I might, you know what, I was going to try to figure out a way to do that on Sunday. You're going to be there, Tony, correct? Yeah, I was going to get with you, and I got the dual headsets, and we got three different boots that we can pop in on as well. Talk audio to me, Tony, I like it. Yeah, well, you talk photography to me, I'll talk audio to you, baby, all day long.

2:24:50SpeakerIt would be cool. We'll definitely see if we can do it. I did it from Chalice last year. Remember? I was kind of off the back of my truck talking to people.

2:24:57Etienne FontanWell, we started off at the house and then worked our way down.

2:25:01BubblemanI'll never forget the sound man in Spain with Pinsky.

2:25:06Etienne FontanBecause weren't you caught spanking in the background last year, Todd?

2:25:10SpeakerWhoa, what's going on now? Oh, it'll come back to you, Mark. Spanking? Spanking? Spanking on Astro? Spanking on Astro? It might have happened. Alright, hey guys, I'm going to take this opportunity to say goodbye for the afternoon, morning.

2:25:29BubblemanWe got too weird from ourselves. No, no. It's just time to get to work. I'm just joking, brother. Thanks for coming in and sharing your vibe with us, dude. Congratulations on your upcoming child in the kiln and Jessica and everything, you look so happy, dude. You deserve it. I'm really happy that everything's going so well for you. Thanks, man.

2:25:54SpeakerLove you guys. Thanks again for the opportunity. I'm just going to walk the laptop around the shop as I leave, so if anyone wants to look at what we're at the space, that'll happen in the next, like, 20 seconds. All right. Thank you, guys.

2:26:08BubblemanThanks, guys. Peace out, Mike.

2:26:11Etienne FontanThanks, as always, Marcel.

2:26:12SpeakerThanks, ATN.

2:26:16BubblemanPeace out, Gonzo.

2:26:17SpeakerSee you guys at Chalice.

2:26:22Etienne FontanYeah, see y'all at Chalice, whoever's going to be there.

2:26:24BubblemanOh, shit. Bigger than I thought. Throws up on me. I've got to move the camera for a second.

2:26:34SpeakerBring it back. Bring it back.

2:26:37BubblemanAh, nice little group of folks to come in today. It was nice to have Sable come in quickly with Denny and talk a little bit about You know, sports and athleticism. The Canada Athlete Program, I think, is kind of a cool little program. I look forward to seeing that growing for them. I look forward to getting a real sports panel going one of these days where we can have a whole variety of professional athletes come on and talk about their stories on how cannabis moved them and how they've been able to do it.

2:27:08Etienne FontanWhat's really funny is a lot of these athletes that are coming out, if you can see on the base of my palms, I'm from New Orleans. I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, so Boo Williams and Ricky Williams are both Saints, you know, are both New Orleans Saints, so I follow them throughout their entire career because I also manage a New Orleans Saints team. I admin one of the fan sites and have for the last decade because I'm a diehard sports fan.

2:27:34Etienne FontanSo I love seeing the crossover of some of my heroes who I've grown up watching and enjoying, you know, play the sport, now becoming advocates. You know, as I told, you know, back in the day when Ricky Williams originally came to our dispensary, you know, that whole story was really, you know, humorous. To when an athlete, when he came out and how negative his initial reaction from the media was to where it affected him where he stepped away from the actual game before actually coming back to the game and being successful again.

2:28:06Etienne FontanTo now seeing the acceptance where, you know, media is discussing, it's now talking points, it's no longer just... You know, the jokes and the puns that the, you know, every reporter USA was trying to apply to Ricky and all of them when they were really using this as a medicine and now they're taken seriously now due to the, you know, the case studies against the, you know, the NFL and showing, you know, CTE damage, et cetera, and how they're neuroprotectant as well as Kyle Turley.

2:28:41Etienne FontanKyle Turley is also You know, a saint. He was, you know, I followed him through his career from when he was drafted, et cetera, and saw him go off the wagon and to see him, because he really, he was mentally unstable there for a while, and to see him find cannabis and come back to it and see him become a cannabis success story and to see all, you know, a whole panel of minority and saints really, you know, step up.

2:29:08Etienne FontanIt's been Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:36BubblemanYeah, for sure. No, it's really cool. It's been something I've been talking about with Sabo for a while. It's not super easy to organize because obviously they're professional athletes, so their schedules are incredibly tight. Sunday morning, 9 a.m. isn't the easiest thing to make, but I'm hoping some of them are going to make the time and that we can organize a show in the next couple of weeks and just sort of get into the deeper realm of The option of being able to use cannabis as a professional athlete and how that would be advantageous versus, you know, some of the drugs they get put on, which clearly dullen their senses, dulls them, does not keep...

2:30:16SpeakerI started martial arts in 1982 when I was 12, how many martial artists really... Get into the meditation and the spiritual and calming effects of cannabis in practice because it really allows you to focus, you know, contemplate things, you know, put stuff in a perspective. I think it's an incredible training tool. You know, you see it in gyms all over California, especially with bodybuilders that are trying to recover and, you know, they're using it for appetite stimulation and Cannabis is just magic.

2:30:48SpeakerI'll ask Eddie Bravo if he'll come on. He's been a good friend of mine for years, mixed martial artist.

2:30:53Etienne FontanWe just had, before you were awake, we had Danny Prokopos on. Who was a three-time world champion who got first high with Joe Rogan. So go back and watch. Wish you would have been on. Yeah.

2:31:06SpeakerIt's Eddie that started getting Joe high again. You want to know what's weird? So Joe tells Eddie when he meets him, hey, you got to meet this guy Todd. And Eddie says, Todd who? And he says, Todd McCormick. He starts telling him my story. Eddie says, dude, That's the fucking guy that I met the girlfriend of that got me into weed and got me telling you about weed.

2:31:24SpeakerSo it kind of went full circle. So Eddie saw me and gave me a copy of his book, Rubber Gun. He talks about basically meeting my girlfriend and her talking about all these too good to be true things about cannabis that she learned from me and how it got him thinking about cannabis and learning. He read The Emperor Wears No Clothes and it changed his life. Hey, guys.

2:31:46SpeakerJeff just jumped in. He's driving through and heading back to Saskatoon to run the Saskatoon Cup and stuff like that. So we're going to do a little session over here and just wanted to say I had a great day and let everybody go. Hey, congratulations on the Cup. How's it happen yet? Jeff has his Cup in September. September. Ah, well, good luck. Good luck to everybody in the Hash Church.

2:32:11SpeakerI wish you could all smell these entries. I wish everybody, I wish we had YouTube smell-o-vision right now.

2:32:18BubblemanOh, you didn't buy that new lens from VH Photo with the smell intake? It absorbs the smell profile and then it prints it out on a special 3D turp printer.

2:32:29SpeakerThis rosin kit is just so fragrant. It is just so fragrant. Everything I'm opening is just overwhelmingly floral and beautiful. Oh my gosh.

2:32:44BubblemanWell, we're jealous.

2:32:46Etienne FontanSorry.

2:32:46BubblemanIt's okay.

2:32:48Etienne FontanIt's going to be a long week trying to get through this. Todd, you look like when I, you know, as a kid when I was opening Christmas presents.

2:32:55SpeakerYou're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I feel like a kid. Thank you again, Dougie. Oh my God. Dude, this stuff is off the chain. Oh my God, and this is all tested rosin that passed and everything, so it's all super, super yummy. And the sample sizes are huge. I mean, this is for a sample size for a judge. There's something there to play with.

2:33:21Etienne FontanWe will suffer this length of an outrageous fortune and apply them accordingly.

2:33:25SpeakerDude, you're going to have to help me take photos.

2:33:27Etienne FontanIt's going to take forever.

2:33:29BubblemanHammer it out. Tony's got a new MPE. You should get him over there and be your backup.

2:33:34SpeakerThis isn't really MPE material. This is going to be like 100 macro. The MPE would be... Everything is MPE material. No, it's not. Yeah, you'll get a picture of that really close-up goo looking... Well, what I could do with that is... What I could do with that goo, and I'll show you because I did it already. Show me goo.

2:33:57BubblemanYes, yes.

2:33:57SaboSo what I... D420K dropped off a little treat the other day for me.

2:34:03BubblemanAnd let me just go into my edits here real quick. It should be in the D420K rosin edits. So like for instance, over here real quick. So yeah, I took a picture of his. This is ridiculous. All right, start screen share. So here's some goo of his that I took a picture of. It was just like that, like in a container, right? I had to pull it out, and then I allowed gravity to pull on it at different levels to create the air bubbles and stuff, sort of twisting it really slowly.

2:34:33BubblemanIt took a long time, actually, like probably about 25 minutes to whip the rosin to make it look like that.

2:34:41SpeakerI got pictures like that. It looks like hard candy a couple years ago when I was doing the secret cup entries. They look exactly, they look so good. Dude, I got cotton mouth just looking at that. Mark, when are you going to be able to come visit me, man?

2:34:54BubblemanDude, I really hope soon, man. Trust me on that one.

2:34:57SpeakerI hope soon, too. I actually want to have a bong rip looking at those pictures.

2:35:00BubblemanYeah, that one right there, though, dude. Oh, then that's bong rip. I've got to share this one, too, because fucking hell, dude, this one turned out good. I don't even know where to start. So this one I stretched, and I acquired a couple of different colors in it, from an orange to a deep red to a yellow. A little bit more of a reflection than I would have liked, but...

2:35:24BubblemanStill pretty cool little shot with the half black, half...

2:35:29Etienne FontanSo, Bubble Man, I'm actually dabbing some Bubble Man stuff that I can get at my dispensary. The orange cheese turp rosin, which is wonderfully delicious. Thank you, Tony.

2:35:42BubblemanI'm so honored to be able to be a part of the team in that sense, I have to say. It's amazing to have been in Harborside. But I was always kind of like waiting for the BPG and it's great to sort of feel like now more a part of the team.

2:35:58Etienne FontanWell, it's also cool because people don't know, unlike the sour kush cleaner that comes here, the front is actually a sticker. You can actually peel off. It's a Bubble Man sticker. So, you know, it's pretty cool.

2:36:09SpeakerYeah, you have the, that is the collab, the Bubble Man Blue River collab. So when you see the blue... You see the blue label, then you know that's like the combination of the terpenes and the rosin. And you actually have, now that the cat's out of the bag that you guys have that, you have like a very limited rare run, because I only do like small runs these days of just high quality stuff, but that sour kush cleaner that you guys are, that you just showed, I really wish I still had a little vial of that, but you are the only one ATN, can you bring me something over there?

2:36:54Etienne FontanI'll bring it up when I come up to get my kit.

2:36:57BubblemanNo reason for you to be missing out on anything, Todd. It's all right there for you.

2:37:02SpeakerNot like I don't have enough stuff to go through today. What do you think about that, ATN?

2:37:07Etienne FontanI was impressed, you know. I had to get some myself quick because the patients that saw it apparently snagged that shit quick. And there was one left in the drawer. There was one little restock, but I mean, yeah, it's time to come back.

2:37:25Etienne FontanIt's apparently patients have, once they realized it was definitely one of those things.

2:37:33SpeakerWell, did you find the dropper cool? Because I tried to get it so it's like each drop is 20 milligrams.

2:37:39Etienne FontanYeah, I liked it. It's very easy to use, easy to administer. I think it's good because, see, I have nerve damage, so I have, you know, I have shaky hands. So for somebody like me, it's very helpful because I can apply it very easily. That just goes back from nerve damage from the Gulf War. Everything around us, all the Russian equipment was all, you know, uranium tipped, so...

2:38:02Etienne FontanGot a lot of exposure which caused, you know, tremors I've always had. So for me it's very helpful and actually it very helps with my tremors as well. So I appreciate that. Very uplifting, love the high, but apparently other people like it too. So that's great. Apparently you're on to something.

2:38:20SpeakerWhat did you think of the flavor? Because I felt like the turquoise was a good representation of like, Thank you for joining us.

2:38:46Etienne FontanWe're hitting purple oil, too. I take my mix of my own cannabis here, which is I take all my BHOs and I blend them together. So I have a blend now. It's up to about 500 and something. And then I put that kush cleaner on the top of it, just in a thin layer, and I'm able to use that throughout the week. Yeah. It's been great for me to titrate consistently.

2:39:14Etienne FontanI get the wonderful flavors. I'm impressed.

2:39:20SpeakerYeah, I always wanted it so like I was looking for a way to honestly be able to use the terpene but also have THC in them but also represent flavor and the response that you could use on its own or you could mix it with on like a bowl of flours like just one drop or you could mix in like you were doing and So, yeah, I didn't realize that that was going to be kind of a rare run, and you got all of it.

2:39:43SpeakerAnd then I was like, oh, I don't have any of that. And I have a little bit that I can make, but we're kind of on to the next one now, the next new news, this dog walker. I'm going to do some dog walker turp oil as well.

2:39:57Etienne FontanWow, I look forward to that. Check that out. That's beautiful. Nice color.

2:40:02BubblemanI hope everyone is puffing tough right now as we're all sitting here and showing these beautiful things and smoking because it seems like we've gotten to the part of Hash Church now where We're just going to smoke chronically until we're uncomfortably high, and then we're going to end the show, so I hope you guys can get behind that.

2:40:19Etienne FontanSo, hey, what's everybody smoking right now in the chats, as the chat's just going on its own thing? What is everybody toking on currently? I am, as I said, I'm toking on the...

2:40:29BubblemanYes, use the full. Full later. Bud, or concentrate, or... Oh, yeah.

2:40:34Etienne FontanIs it flour, is it hash, or is it water hash, is it... What is it? Tell us. We all want to know. It'll go so fast. Somebody's asking if I work at Harborside. I don't. I own Berkeley Patients Group as well as New Leaf. In Nevada, which opened up this week officially on the 1st.

2:40:58SpeakerCongratulations.

2:40:58Etienne FontanWe're open in Incline Village, Nevada, and just so you know, Nevada allows for California patients, so any California patients around the Lake Tahoe area can also come to our new dispensary in Lake Tahoe.

2:41:13BubblemanYeah, and isn't it cool that as we started talking about getting uncomfortably high, Baba Rob appears back in the picture?

2:41:21Etienne FontanRob, because he's not high. He's been smoking those terps from 20 years ago.

2:41:31SpeakerI just wanted to say something before I sign off here. I like the idea that you're talking about having a thematic program with sports people. I like the idea of looking ahead at what's going on no matter what the topic is. And it It kind of beats sitting around seeing if you're going to weigh in or not. I mean, I've got nothing to say tonight, really, and that's fine.

2:41:58SpeakerI don't always need to say something. But it'd be nice if I had something to say that I knew I had space to say it. So that's just food for thought for those remaining sitting here. It's pretty much the only people who are the core of this whole thing. So there you go. It's a benefit for sure. And I would offer a topic that I'd like to talk about hemp.

2:42:23SpeakerI might want to be able to show a PowerPoint slideshow or something, or if I could work out how to do this to somebody ahead of time so it isn't a fargo. But, you know, do something like that. Yeah. And talk about something going on in Turkey at the moment or something. It just doesn't... I have things I could talk about, but it just didn't fit in tonight.

2:42:43SpeakerHow does it ever fit in? It's hemp. You just changed that stuff. It's a dope and a dope show. I mean, hello... We need an appointment or something. You know what, though, Rob? Wait a minute, though. I'd like to bring this up, Rob. I think there's a lot of us in this industry that are interested in the whole spectrum of cannabis. You have always, when I read Marijuana Botany, I thought you were obviously the biggest pothead, and you are, I've ever met.

2:43:06SpeakerBut when I really met you and learned all about the environmental side and you started teaching me everything about hemp and everything about hemp seed oil and the germs, It really showed me the full spectrum of cannabis, and I think a lot of people watching are interested in the whole spectrum of cannabis. I don't think it would fall on deaf ears at all. I'm not saying that they wouldn't be interested.

2:43:30SpeakerA certain fraction of people on this program are interested in any subject involving cannabis. They would, I reckon, be a minority. This is a stoner show. That's okay. But those who... Might appreciate what I have to say, or others who are not falling under the more enlightened stoners side of it, or could tell their friends if they knew something was upcoming. It could get a little more bang for your buck, is all I'm saying.

2:44:03SpeakerWith anybody who has something to say, the difference in what's going on. I don't have anything to weigh in about the sports thing. I thought it was far out, it's cool, but... Fine. It isn't a day that I needed to sit in and have teddy bear here. I could just watch from home if you get it.

2:44:23BubblemanYeah, of course. Well, that's your prerogative. You come in when you want to and not when you don't want to come in. Most importantly, and Todd and I have spoken about this on a few occasions, is that if anyone ever wants to do things differently than the sort of natural dialogue of conversation, but wants to come in on a more planned experience, I'm always down for that.

2:44:43BubblemanThe only worry about the planned experience is, and I've found that it's often more often than not with the planned experience, Is that people end up not being able to make it after I've planned it and promoted it and mentioned it and then they just, they're like, oh, sorry, I didn't, and then they don't show up and it's kind of uncomfortable. It happened about three or four times.

2:45:03BubblemanBut I'm always willing to do that. I could plan something three, four weeks in advance and really promote it and let people kind of have a teaser even about what it might be about. Always down for that.

2:45:15SpeakerYou know, and I want to add, too, if anybody's listening and thinks that they would like to be on, they can send a resume with links to me or Mark, and we will go through it. I mean, we're looking for more guests. It's just that we want people to have, you know, quality content and demonstratable experience to share with people. I mean, when we have guys like Rob Clark and Mel Frank on, it's an incredible experience.

2:45:39SpeakerI mean, you know, if it wasn't for your work, Rob, a lot of us would still be way behind in our understanding of cannabis. So, Anyone that's listening, wants to be on, just hit us up. It's really that easy. Show us that you're able to do it. We'd be happy to have you on talking about cannabis.

2:45:57BubblemanYeah, exactly. I have no connection to the platform other than offering it up to people to come and share great stories, good information. I mean, love having Chimera come on, love having Kevin McKernan come on, love a variety of people that come on. We've even been... I've been inviting Mowgli recently through a couple of different people, so we're always willing to elevate. I like to think of Hash Church as sort of full, I don't think of it as just a stoner show, although we do definitely are trying to normalize that negative connotation of stoner with People who enjoy cannabis and can still get together and articulate intelligent conversation.

2:46:39BubblemanBut I think of hash churches a little bit more than that. People are learning from this. There have been some incredible episodes where you, Rob, and Todd, and many other people have laid down amazing knowledge. And you might not realize it, but what happens is they carry that with them. And they go home to their dinner tables and they talk about it at dinner with their parents and their loved ones and their brothers and sisters and It's, uh, it's, and it's, I know that it's happening because it happens to me the same way Etienne and Todd get recognized at a gas station or D420K gets recognized in the middle of nowhere up in the Northwest Territories or near the Yukon, and it happens to a lot of people.

2:47:17BubblemanI know that people are watching this show and they, they definitely want it.

2:47:20SpeakerThey've been recognized at events. It's quite frightening, frankly, but whatever. Yeah, I denied it at first. I was like, no, I have no idea what you're talking about. I must be somebody else.

2:47:32Etienne FontanSo, Rob, what do you want to talk about? I mean, if you have things you want to talk about with cannabis, you know, especially... Oh, that's all right.

2:47:38SpeakerI would have spoken a bit about what was going on in Turkey, but I'll give it another chance. I'll go back in three weeks and I'll have even more interesting things. No, I was making more of a general comment. It wasn't that I wanted to talk about anything in particular today. I didn't have any presentations. It was more of a general comment of watching the flow of how things went today and seeing that indeed it was topical, which is exactly what I think it should be.

2:48:10SpeakerBut I didn't watch the last couple of episodes. How much warning was it that today was Sports Day with Danny?

2:48:21SpeakerDid that happen last week or two weeks ago or three weeks ago? Did people anticipate that?

2:48:26Etienne FontanI woke up and found it happening. I usually wake up and find whatever's happening.

2:48:29SpeakerI don't see any announcements in advance by email or anything of what's going to be happening. All I'm saying is, as a format, and we talked about this before after one of these, I think you can get more bang for your buck, more followers, more participants, more everything. By being a little more structured at the beginning of each show, then it can degenerate into the stonerness that I just resurrected.

2:49:01BubblemanI just want to say this though, Rob.

2:49:04SpeakerYou know what? There's a lot of people trying to do...

2:49:06BubblemanPlease, Todd. Please let me answer this one. This one's mine for answering. I need to answer this one. It's people, Rob, not me. People are flakes, and they don't make it on the show when I announce it. If I announce them, they don't come on the show. I've done 94 weeks of this show. Every fucking week I've been right here doing it. In the morning, for instance, Denny and Sabo, they both came in this morning from a conversation I had with them at 8.30 a.m.

2:49:37BubblemanThey were in by 9.01 with headsets. and and working computers and it just it worked out that way the few times three or four or five times I've mentioned you know really excitedly that someone's gonna come on they don't come on and I feel like I have egg on my face and I'd rather I know I get more bang for the buck I wish I that people Thank you for watching.

2:50:20SpeakerThat aside, you know, Rob, the one thing I really want to say, there's an organic composition about this that makes it very attractive, and there are a lot of people, our friend Adam Dunn, for instance, doing a very structured, in 30 seconds we're going to hear from bullshit hydroponics, and you know what? They're getting no views. People aren't watching it. They're not paying attention to it. You know, there's a free-form element to this that's kind of like long-form AM radio, if you will, where people just tune in, they don't know what they're going to get, and they're They're open to that.

2:50:49SpeakerI get all the, hey, let's make it like, you know, but I've got to say, a lot of the people that are doing that, go look how many people are tuning into them, and it's in the hundreds, not in the tens of thousands. Trust me, I want to.

2:51:03BubblemanI would love to be able to announce shit weeks in advance or a month in advance. I am right on that page, but I end up looking like a bit of an idiot each time I do it because those people inevitably don't make it into the room.

2:51:16SpeakerAnd, you know, it's been hard for us because we've invited a lot of good people on. In some cases, they don't take it seriously enough. And in other cases, they pay attention after they realize, oh, gee, Jesus, tell views a week. Maybe I should go on that, you know. And, you know, so it's been difficult. This hasn't been the easiest thing to get people to tune into, in all honesty, in my opinion.

2:51:38SpeakerAnd that, I don't mean to... You know, I mean, credit where credit stands. We're going on for... 94 weeks and it works. 93, whatever.

2:51:49BubblemanWell, you know what? Pangea just said, even this conversation is a true example of the good organic nature of Hash Church.

2:51:56SpeakerWell, no. No, shoot, how hard was it to get you on, though? I had to march you into my house, stick you in front of a computer. I mean, getting the people we wanted on, like you and Mel Frank and others, and Ben, I had to go to Ben's house in Rotterdam, sit him down and do it with him. You know, it hasn't been that easy to get you guys.

2:52:15SpeakerThe people that, you know, I admire are busy. You're always off doing stuff. That Sunday morning is usually kids or family or something, and, you know, it's not as easy as it sounds, you know. Well, I'm not discounting it that you're trying hard to make it all work. I'm just trying to help. That's all. I want to say you've been awesome. Thank you for coming on all the time, Rob.

2:52:42SpeakerYou laid down some really awesome knowledge. I mean, and it's people like you who I think we should be hearing from, not the people that have been in the industry four or five years and think they're experts. It's people like you that have been in the industry going on 40 to 50 years and I know are demonstrable experts. I mean, you're the voice I've been trying to bridge to the people for as long as I've known you because the information you have is so absolutely great and genuine and I'm It's what we all need to learn.

2:53:11SpeakerI mean, now you have to write a syllabus for cannabis because now your book has to start getting taught in colleges. It has to happen.

2:53:19BubblemanIt's another project we're trying to work on, but it's slow. One thing to add as well is that, you know, one of the ways that you can help, Rob, is that We can book you in advance. We can announce that you're going to come on and talk about a certain thing and any people that you may have access to or that you feel you might want to bring on.

2:53:38BubblemanI've told this to Ethan Russo and some other people that have sort of dispelled a little bit of like, well, you know, I'm not sure I'd like to come. We have no problem facilitating whatever needs to be facilitated, whether it's a private small panel for an hour early where the rest of the panel comes in later, or if people are uncomfortable with people smoking bong rips, we can chill on smoking bong rips for an hour for certain people.

2:54:01BubblemanWe're willing to facilitate whatever it takes to A, bring great people on and share their stories and give them exposure. And B, do it in a way that helps normalize, you know, all of this message in the first place, which is just that you just want everyone to feel normal about it.

2:54:17SpeakerWell, you know, I'd like to say this, Rob. You'd be a great person to do this list. I mean, we could do a show and talk about marijuana botany. I mean, you know, we could do a show talking about hashish. We could do a show talking about cannabis. I mean, all of these are the reason why we're sitting here. And, I mean, to have you on, I mean, it took you 17 years to 350,000 words to explain what you tried to explain in Cannabis, Evolution, and Ethnobotany.

2:54:41SpeakerI would love to have you talk about it for a few hours without the distraction of any noise because we would all get so much out of it.

2:54:49Etienne FontanOh yeah, just you going through your book and showing up points and reasons why. I mean, that alone.

2:54:57SpeakerYeah, I would say that if those that are watching that don't understand the information we're talking about, this is a game changer for me Right here, this is the Volume 2 Hashish book. You could pretty much pick any chapter in here, and Rob could talk about it for a serious long time. And when you're talking about topics, though, this one, like, you go in great detail about glandular heads, and you go in great detail about angled sifting heads.

2:55:29SpeakerAnd vertical sifting, and then the seed size, squares versus round, and what all that means. And then you break it down into like every single kind of single parameter that you would want to know as a hash maker, because this information teaches you about the plant. This is the fingerprint about what's going on behind the plant. And that ties into the mesh sizes, that ties into the sevens.

2:55:56Etienne FontanThat's the Hash Bible.

2:55:57SpeakerThat is the... That's it. This is it. Like, if you don't have this book and you make Hashish, you need to go get the book, and then you're going to learn a lot more about resin. And so I think you could... I think talking about, like, these multi-saves... And the directional and this kind of stuff in glandular heads would be an awesome episode.

2:56:19Etienne FontanRob, your book is the only book, that book has sheesh, is where I started at the beginning, read it all the way, every night before I went to bed. And then all the way to the finish and then started right back over again, right after, right into reading it again, all the way through again. I mean, that just, it's so rich in history as well as knowledge and applied knowledge.

2:56:41Etienne FontanI mean, Tony has, you know, based a lot of his research in taking it further off of just what you've actually laid the groundwork for, which, again, if anybody's sitting here watching and doesn't own that book, go out and buy that fucking book because it's

2:56:54SpeakerThis book talks about every single race of land races and like where THCV grows and why it grows. And so if you think you're like it's just about hash, it's not. You can learn about breeding, get different, understand where those cultivars are coming from and what they have and why they grow certain types of cannabinoid profiles and certain type of longitudes and latitudes with different types of genetics.

2:57:17SpeakerAnd the types of soils that are there, the types of water and the air and the oxygen supply, the CO2 that's prevalent in the mountains versus the oceans. I forgot how much stuff's in there, man. There's everything. I must have purged it from my brain. You cannot know hashish without knowing cannabis. Yes. No, that's really true. First understand the plant.

2:57:41Etienne FontanAnd you can't understand cannabis without Rob Clark's books.

2:57:45SpeakerNo. And you know what else? I'd love to play Chay, you know, and start talking through those. I mean, he's got... It's a subject of reliability with people appearing. You know what Mark's saying, you know, you can't say people are going to appear and then they don't. There you go, turkey. All right, well, hey, wait a minute. F all the non-showers. I got you on for a minute, and I want to bring this up because now Proposition 64 is going to allow for hemp production in California.

2:58:15SpeakerSo if this passes in November, you're going to start seeing hemp fields of some sort popping up, and are we going to see the same type of paranoia Thank you for joining us.

2:58:52Etienne FontanYeah, it was named 64, then it was changed to 63, then it was changed back to 64, officially yesterday by the state. So it is officially 64 now.

2:59:00SpeakerThat's what the Alma thing was called before.

2:59:04Etienne FontanYes, that's what it now is. Alma is 64. Okay.

2:59:09SpeakerI'm just catching up on the numbers. Anyway, the pollen thing is a problem for Anybody who would be growing Sinsemia or trying to anywhere very close to a standard hemp field, for instance, one of the kind of fields that Ben grows in North Holland, which release plenty of pollen. If you're growing hemp like they grow in Colorado for CBD, which is really a drug variety, they're all female plants.

2:59:44SpeakerThere is no pollen. It depends on what your definition of hemp is. I don't see California as being a place where people are going to grow industrial hemp. And if somebody has a few hemp plants in their Humboldt neighborhood, then they're an idiot. Their neighbors ought to go tell them to pull the damn weed. I can't believe you're taking that. I think California, considering how huge it is, is going to have hemp agricultural dynamics popping up as opportunity develops.

3:00:17SpeakerYeah, Central Valley maybe. We buy a shit ton of hemp seed. Yeah, we buy all this hemp seed from Canada that could be grown right here off the five. There are a lot of places in America that are way better to grow hemp seed than anywhere in California. That's true. Well, then my next question is though. In Canada, just go to where it's good in Canada and move south a little bit.

3:00:40SpeakerShould anybody expect the ability to grow sensimelia outside? I mean, pollen is free. They better. It's a basic human fucking right. No, growing seedless cannabis is a human right? Growing seedless cannabis, because that's what I'm asking you right now. Cannabis is legal, and we can have six plants in every single yard. There's going to be males. There's going to be cannabis. It's going to be... There's going to be bad neighbors.

3:01:08SpeakerPolice your neighbors. Have a neighborhood watch program for males. Educate the children. Pod Hour Patrol. The Pod Hour Patrol, exactly. Come on, man. This is a social issue. It's just bad farming practices.

3:01:27BubblemanWell, also, I mean, when I witnessed a hemp field get harvested by that hemp harvester we had brought over from Holland back in 97, maybe 98, I can't remember exactly. No, it would have even been earlier, like 95 or 96. But when we harvested the field, when the machine went through and had those big rotators on the front, just laid the hemp down really nice, the clouds of pollen that came off of that were unbelievable.

3:01:58BubblemanIt was actually quite shocking. But that was at the end of the season. So it's like that pollen probably isn't going to do a ton of damage to outdoor plants that are at the point of finishing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm going to start my opinion out here.

3:02:16SpeakerWhoa, whoa, whoa. No, that's not right at all.

3:02:20BubblemanWell, in what way?

3:02:21SpeakerFor instance, when I get back to Turkey the first two weeks of August, the mails will be going off like mad.

3:02:30BubblemanRight.

3:02:31SpeakerOkay, the first two weeks of August, if you have a crop that normally finishes in October, sometimes outdoors, it's going to get the Jesus pollinated out of it.

3:02:44BubblemanWell, with the hemp in Canada, it pollinates, it's out there, but it's not like when you harvest it. I'm talking clouds, giant, huge clouds that go up into the sky.

3:02:57SpeakerI get it. It happens everywhere you grow hemp. Apple plants and rails. Yeah, so I was there. Or monoecious and...

3:03:04BubblemanIt seemed like we knew all of the pollen from where, you know, because we watched the whole field all through the year. We knew it was dioecious. We knew it was being pollinated and seeded, but we never saw pollen like that. You might see a little light cloud in the wind or something, but this harvester made... I've never seen it to this day. Quite a few people had anxiety attacks immediately because they had allergy problems and they thought they were going to be floored because it was like, it just came all over us.

3:03:33BubblemanIt was all, the cloud was surrounding everyone in the field and people were quite amazed that the cannabis pollen didn't upset their hay fevers. People that were destroyed by normal hay fever were literally almost unaffected by the pollen and it was like, it was hard to see through there was so much of it.

3:03:53SpeakerI have met people who are quite allergic to cannabis polymer. We think that's the polymer they're allergic to, but only a few. They were in places where they were Europeans, actually.

3:04:05BubblemanI have a couple friends that are addicted to the resin. It literally makes them itch and scratch and sneeze and eyes water. Man, that would be a bummer.

3:04:14SpeakerNot all terpenes are good terpenes. I've been saying that for a long time.

3:04:19BubblemanYeah.

3:04:21SpeakerThey're aggressive compounds, and out of a couple hundred of them, there's bound to be ones that even in small amounts people are quite, you know, quite irritated by.

3:04:33BubblemanWell, I know one...

3:04:34SpeakerThey're probably a minority of people.

3:04:36BubblemanI sure like them in my concentrates.

3:04:39SpeakerYeah, the right ones are good ones.

3:04:41BubblemanWell, cannabis seems to be good for producing the right ones, I guess, somehow along the way, the ones that we like, the ones that people enjoy the smell and the taste of. We obviously create more of, they become more popular, they become the smells and the flavors of the cultivars that we want based on our desires and the people selecting. That's kind of what I would hope anyway.

3:05:03BubblemanI know that's how I collect my I don't care how long a flowering period takes. I don't care how much resin I get off of it. I don't care how much vegetative growth there is. Most important to me are the flavor profile and the cannabinoid profile and how they interact with one another and make me feel. I'm definitely a big proponent of terpy goodness.

3:05:26SpeakerYeah, I agree. All right, now I'm going to start moseying the other way. I'll leave this on for a minute. Put the animal back here.

3:05:34BubblemanAll right, Roberto.

3:05:36SpeakerOh, good. So I'm around, and I'll try to tune in the next couple weeks at some point. I'm traveling, so the reliability thing applies completely to me. I could do it from Turkey, except it's Turkey. Yeah. Okay, I did conference calls on Skype this last time. Everything worked great, most of the time. But what would happen is it wouldn't work right. On Sunday I'm supposed to be there.

3:06:03SpeakerThat's just the way life is. I get it. I'd be afraid to try that because it would just end up being, okay, we'll try again next week.

3:06:12Etienne FontanRob, when you're in Turkey, do you ever jive?

3:06:16SpeakerWhat? Do I? No? I gave up that dancing style in the 30s.

3:06:21BubblemanJive Turkey. That's awesome.

3:06:26SpeakerThat's, it's a... It's fun there. It's good. I'll tell you guys more about it sometime when we're together. But it's a real different place to travel at the moment. But people are really nice. And like travel anywhere, that's what makes it rewarding and makes it... So I get to learn things. I'm doing field work there, so I'm trying to ask heaps of questions and get meaningful answers.

3:06:51SpeakerAnd to do that, you've got to keep people friendly. We're... We're shooting a documentary there. Last year, the first 15 days I did, we realized that there were enough people to talk to and enough going on. So this year, we're shooting a documentary. This is the first of three visits I'll make. And this time was seeing the farmers. We saw fields that are just beginning to flower.

3:07:23SpeakerAnd they're over two meters tall. They're seven, eight foot fields. Got a long way to go until they're harvested. So they should be pretty impressive harvest photos. The weather was good. The people were super nice. Yeah, it was good. I learned a lot. Really learned a lot of fill in the little blanks. Add more pieces to the puzzle every time. You have to ask the same questions to a lot of different people.

3:07:54SpeakerIn a lot of different situations, before you fully understand the answer, is what I've learned from field research. It's hard to go someplace once and ask a few questions and think you know something. You get most of it, but if you really want to get it right, it's better to go back and ask the same things over and over, which bores the people I work with, because they get tired of asking the same thing over and over and getting the same answers.

3:08:22SpeakerI get it, but... It needs to be done. So that's what I'm after. And it'll be fun. I'm going to do it again. And eventually, maybe the end of the year, beginning of next year, we'll have a little documentary or some shorts or something about different topics involved with Turkish hemp production. It's almost gone. As far as I know, we're in the last village it's doing. Wow.

3:08:45SpeakerAnd there's only eight hectares left. The UN's reported only 10 hectares left. For Turkey, the last 10, 12 years. Wow. There's eight and a half hectares per year.

3:09:01BubblemanCrazy. I think Canada's around 40,000 or 50,000 hectares annually, which isn't that much. No.

3:09:08SpeakerIt used to be much, much bigger in Turkey, of course. It was grown in 25 provinces for fiber seed until the 60s, 40s, 50s.

3:09:21SpeakerAnd located all over Turkey. Turkey's in a good band, northern temperate band, basically, so anywhere there's good soil and water, you can grow hemp and turkey. So there aren't really places, unless they're too high or too desert or something.

3:09:38BubblemanWell, I'm wearing my hemp hat today, hemp hood. Let me shout out to those guys.

3:09:43SpeakerVery patriotic of you.

3:09:45BubblemanYes, very hempriotic of me.

3:09:48SpeakerSo anyway, I'll figure out if there's something I want to talk about in the next couple of weeks and where I'm going to be and we'll work it out.

3:09:54BubblemanYeah, absolutely. Let us know. We will put that out in advance. And if you have a specific way that you want to share it, like if you want a smaller panel for starters or a specific panel of people who are good at asking questions and engaging, just say the word.

3:10:07SpeakerI might do that just to give it a try. I think for a lot of people that would be attractive. I like that suggestion right away. You know, because it just makes it more focused for that part of it. That's where your show starts anyway. It's pretty much of a monologue of a couple of guys asking one guy or one and a half guys today things about sports.

3:10:29SpeakerAnd that was good. It was great. But everybody else just sat there. You know, and it makes it awkward, I think, a bit for people like...

3:10:44SpeakerSam I.M. would just have to sit here, you know, just staring. And Sam I.M. ain't stoned enough to do that all the time.

3:10:53BubblemanSometimes he looks like he's going to lose it. He is a bit sensitive. I heard he's a real bitch off camera. Wait.

3:11:02SpeakerAnyway. Behaving himself today.

3:11:08SpeakerSee you guys soon. Stay iry.

3:11:12BubblemanCharacters. Hey Rob. Yes, well that's conversations Todd and I have had in the past about trying to set things up differently and these are suggestions that Todd have made about sort of setting it up a little bit differently and just having a little bit of an interview sort of set up or facilitating someone to speak. We're down with it. There's no, we haven't any set rules on how to do it.

3:11:34BubblemanI'm always willing to make Hash Church better rather than less of an experience but I We've covered a lot of ground in 93 plus weeks here, so it's not always easy to pump out a Hash Church gem every week, but we try. We try.

3:11:55BubblemanWell, I guess this is the week of Chalice. You guys have the whole week to test those products. It's amazing.

3:12:03SpeakerI can't believe how much there is. I don't even know how much weed's in this thing.

3:12:07BubblemanIs it on the 7th and the 8th? The 8th and the 9th.

3:12:10Speaker8th, 9th, and 10th. Ah. Yep. All right. It's going to be fantastic. The attention to detail that he has put into this is fantastic.

3:12:27SpeakerI wish everybody tried harder. I really do. Yeah. It's fantastic.

3:12:34BubblemanWell, don't drop it all, and we'll check it out. We'll look forward to the photos. I think I got the call that my boat's smashing up against the dock. I had to send D420K down with the key so they could break off the dock for me. So I'm going to go check on the boat, make sure it's all good for the rest of the summer. Yeah, I have it on long ropes.

3:12:56SpeakerIt was away from it. But it was doing this? The dock was breaking those waves pretty good. It wasn't in peril anyways.

3:13:05BubblemanGood, good. Well, thank you. Much love for D420K coming down. Why don't we finish it with a... Bomb rip, mother lovers. That's what I'm saying. We'll finish it with a bomb rip. Looking forward to those photos from Todd. Looking forward to some photos from Tony. I'm still waiting for photos, dude. I know you're busy, but I'm going to get on you this week. We're going to get some photos.

3:13:29BubblemanMaybe we'll do another MPA live show. It was really fun, the last one.

3:13:33SpeakerI missed both of you guys. I've taken probably 3,000 photos. I just haven't shown you one because I don't think you would appreciate it. He's trying, man. The NCIA event was absolutely incredible, though. That's what we were doing in that. Really, hats off to Aaron. The Oakland Convention Center was great. That whole experience was really good. It's nice to see the industry maturing and the people coming together and You know, making products that are so useful to one another.

3:14:05SpeakerI can tell you though, yesterday or Friday I went out, I missed Todd, but I took some photos of an event. It was nice to just use the camera more, but I can tell you that I spent a good another, I don't know, a good thousand pictures. On the different f-stops and like shutters and like literally adjusted every single caliber all the way in and out. Different lighting effects of that radial lens, like pulling them apart, going one in, one out.

3:14:43SpeakerI tried like every single thing to see what each one of them did. And I finally got to photos that are, in my opinion, really amazing. They're really clean and they're really clear. But then I would get to like the specimen and there was like a black hair That was like in the fucking mango bud that I took a picture of the macro. Or there's something on the lens.

3:15:06SpeakerAnd when you get like... Dude, you're nailing it.

3:15:10BubblemanThis is all stuff I would have loved for you to be talking about on the MP live program. I have to do another episode where you and Todd show up. Because I'm telling you, shit like that, the hair in the butt, I used to use...

3:15:26BubblemanAnd I got to the point after years of doing it, I can pull that fucking hair off that bud with my fingers and not fuck with a single trichome. And I'm telling you, I've even patted myself on the back a few times and been like, dude, that is insane. Like, you just had your own little, like, you just won your own war that no one will ever win.

3:15:45BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:16:13BubblemanIt's just like Andre the Giant's finger.

3:16:18SpeakerI also downloaded like, so the other thing that I'm trying to do is try to get the camera hooked up to the computer so I'm not looking at a three inch screen trying to look at a microscopic hair that somehow got in between two trichomes.

3:16:35BubblemanBut learn on the camera, trust me. Learn on the camera. It's like learning pool on a snooker table and then going to the bar and destroying everyone. You don't want to learn on the bar table. You like that, Todd?

3:16:46SpeakerIt's a cruel teacher, but I'm laughing. Yeah, man, stand there when you're really stoned and hold it with your thumb and do what I do with a couple knuckles and just like get it there, right? I love you, Mark. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry, Tony. In like eight years, you're going to have it down, bro. Well, I've got the camera as far as the, I feel very confident in the pictures and the settings that I have of the herb.

3:17:12SpeakerIt's just that now I realize because, you know, you have to take like a little scissor and you got to cut the bud out that comes of the bud if you're going to take one of these macros and you have to have the right size, you have to have the right angle, and you have to have, you know, the right depth of field and you capture everything.

3:17:28SpeakerBut sometimes when you get it that clear, you know, there's just often things in there. So it's just like unavoidable.

3:17:37BubblemanWhen your camera gets older, Tony, and you have to start dealing with sensor dust and And then you're like, sensor dust? What the fuck's sensor dust? It's like, you've got to start cleaning your own sensor on that camera. And it is so nerve wracking because if you fuck it up, the sensor is the camera. That's what you paid 3Gs for. Yeah. If you scratch the sensor, it's forever going to be there.

3:17:58BubblemanYeah, that's not going to clean the sensor. That'll be a bust off. But what happens with sensor dust, it's like this nasty, wet, oily shit that sticks to your sensor like resin. And the same way you'd have to clean your coffee table of resin, you know it doesn't come off that easy. And with these sensor cleaners, they're these little squeegees that you buy and you dip them in this little bit of solvent.

3:18:23BubblemanIt's like a camera solvent for sensors. And then you just go back and forth. And if you've allowed them to get thick, they smudge. So you have to do like two or three of these different sticks to clean the sensor. It's nerve-wracking shit. Lots of people send their cameras in for it. But I would say to any macro photographer, you have to learn how to do it yourself.

3:18:44BubblemanYou're going to be sending your camera in all the time.

3:18:48SpeakerWell, you know, I mean, I suppose I could post some in the group because it is a learning group, right? Absolutely, dude.

3:18:57BubblemanPlus, I even started an all things cannabis photography group on Facebook for when we do these MPE live shows. That anything we talk about, and it's great guys because you can literally set your camera up. I was shooting live.

3:19:12SpeakerHey guys, I'm going to jump guys. I was, I'm going to jump. I love you guys and have a happy holiday. I got to go do like eight things. Take it easy. Peace everybody.

3:19:22BubblemanSo yeah, it's definitely a very cool concept of being able to get the cameras and having it all work like that live through the chat. I'd love to get you on there dude.

3:19:33SpeakerWell, I... Downloaded a bunch of software and I would love to get on there as well. I could post, I guess I could post this one picture I took that you'll see the hair and you'll be like, yep, it's just bad. You're just like, damn. But I am taking the pictures properly now. So, I mean, you could see every detail like of what's going on with the flower.

3:20:02BubblemanOh, Mama's leaving chat. Peace out to Mama. Peace out to Todd. Peace out to everyone that has split, Etienne. Thanks, Rob and Sam, for coming on, and thanks, Denny and Sabo. I'm going to allow you to put these pictures up. I'm not shutting her down, but I'm just sort of building up to saying goodbye to everyone and thanking everyone for watching Hash Church this week. Always a pleasure to sit with D420K and puff some rosin dabs.

3:20:28BubblemanBubble hash rosin dabs at that. Turp dip Bubble hash, rosin dabs, that, that.

3:20:34SpeakerSome terp syrup. Hey, next time I did, I wanted to, we were talking about formats, I wanted to talk about freeze dryer settings and things that you might want to remove in your freeze dryer when you get them.

3:20:49BubblemanYeah, that's a great idea. We could do a little half hour freeze dryer thing where you just talk about the dryer for a bit. I love the idea of organizing it. It's harder. People have to be more responsible when we do it that way and it's out of my hands. I'm with Rob. I would love if people like yourself and Todd and ATN, all the core group were like, hey, I'm going to bring so and so in.

3:21:15BubblemanWe're going to do it on this Sunday. We've already got them. We figured out the headphones and that simply would be like, that would elevate this thing to the next level for sure. But it's hard. Slayer. Slayer. Slayer! Slayer! Look, Sam loves Slayer. He's like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big Slayer fan. Wearing the colors and everything.

3:21:47SpeakerWho's not a Slayer fan?

3:21:49BubblemanI don't know. Sister Mary Elephant maybe?

3:21:52SpeakerI bet you she still is.

3:21:54BubblemanMaybe. Probably in the closet.

3:21:56SpeakerShe's a closet Slayer fan. Probably Show No Mercy or Die By The Sword. It's definitely Die By The Sword. Something like that. She'd be just fucking digging it, man. I know it.

3:22:05BubblemanAny song off Rain and Blood.

3:22:07SpeakerYes. Die By The Sword.

3:22:10BubblemanAll right, guys. Well, shit. Are you going to put that photo up, Tony?

3:22:14SpeakerOh, the one photo, yeah, I'm looking through which one's probably the better of the one.

3:22:18BubblemanYeah, see, you know how to do the screen share and stuff? Uh, what do you mean? Well, you can show the photo by showing it on your screen, by sharing it the same way I did. Did you not see when I did this? When I, like, shared, like, let's see, like, for instance, I'll share a photo of myself. Here we go. You go to the green button on the top left.

3:22:43BubblemanGreen button on the top left. That's just right below. It's right below.

3:22:49SpeakerOh, wow. That's what I was telling you.

3:22:53BubblemanYou can do that with your camera, bro. You can actually make it so your camera appears live on the screen. We could all be shooting and talking and it would be really fucking cool.

3:23:04SpeakerThat's where you were going? Interesting.

3:23:08BubblemanYeah. Anyway, maybe we'll share Tony's photo in Hash Church Group for those of you excitedly awaiting the photo.

3:23:16SpeakerI don't know, man. It's a pretty good photo. It's not like the greatest in the world.

3:23:21BubblemanNo, I hear you. I think we should look at it. I would love to look at it, but I at the same time want to say goodbye and it's over. No, Mark, wait. I'm trapped. Have another bone rip. Oh, shit.

3:23:37SpeakerGive him a bong rip.

3:23:39BubblemanAll he has to do is open the photo next to his chat. Right, which I did. And pop the second button there, the green button with the arrow that says screen share. Okay. And it will pop a box with three options. Pick the one that shows your photo the most.

3:23:54SpeakerOkay. All right, let's grab the one I like then. Okay.

3:24:10SpeakerLet's do, okay.

3:24:15BubblemanJust told Chad we're going to finish this once Tony gets his shot up. Sometime in the next three hours.

3:24:26SpeakerOkay, hold on. Open the photo. Yeah, but there's like thousands of them and there's one that's like, there was like only one that was like really, really good. Hold on a second.

3:24:38BubblemanYeah, we're looking at one out of a thousand right now. One out of 3,000 shots is a good one. They all look exactly the same except this really good one has a hair in it.

3:24:47SpeakerThey all have that. They all have the hair. They all have the hair. Watch. Okay. They really do. This is just us.

3:25:04BubblemanI can hear you, Sam. Massive.

3:25:15SpeakerJust fucking get a mosh pit. I'm a training champ. Why don't we just mosh right now, dude? Are you sure? Let me just move this. All right, this is not so bad. Put everything away. This one's so bad. I don't know. This one's not so bad, but... All right. He's putting up a photo. I'm putting up a photo. It's not... Let's see here. Screen share. You better put one up, too, just in case it's really bad.

3:25:51SpeakerI mean, it's okay. What were you like? Oh, okay.

3:25:55BubblemanThere you go.

3:25:57SpeakerYes. This is a different lighting setting.

3:26:01BubblemanWhat happened there? What?

3:26:05SpeakerHey, you put your thing over how we're on it. Oh, I see. It's only like that. I see. It's not an image. It's a video.

3:26:15BubblemanWell, it's not a video, but it's like it's only what you opened. It's going to be shared based on how you chose to share. It looks like it has a lot of heads. Is it well-handled bud?

3:26:28SpeakerNo, there's a lot of heads on it. There's a lot of heads on it.

3:26:35BubblemanOh yeah, what's that?

3:26:38SpeakerThis is mango. Oh, mango.

3:26:41BubblemanHey, that makes sense actually.

3:26:45SpeakerWe like resin. These are different lighting settings. Different focal points.

3:26:54SpeakerYou can see like different depth of field in it that I was playing with. See the hair right there? And this hair?

3:27:04BubblemanLook, look, I have a hair too. Look at the bottom of the photo.

3:27:09SpeakerSee it? Yep. See, look at this. See the hair right here? Yep.

3:27:14BubblemanI can pull that one off real easy. That's not even a hard one. That's right on the outside of the calyx. I could have got that one for you.

3:27:22SpeakerYeah, I just didn't see it until after. Sometimes they're inside and it's just like, are you fucking kidding me, bro? Well, there's one back here that like, I don't know, that little microscopic black one. And then there was, you know... Check this one out. Let's see what you got.

3:27:45BubblemanThis is that rosin dripping off the dabber. I really had to, like, organize this shot to get it into, like, to make it so most from top to bottom would appear.

3:27:54SpeakerOkay.

3:27:56BubblemanIt came out pretty sick.

3:27:58SpeakerYeah, that one's sick.

3:28:03BubblemanAlright, well shit, why don't we... I mean, it's getting there. Yeah, absolutely, dude. No, the shot looks good. You're still... You're at 1-1 there. You're not like at 5-1, so... No, no.

3:28:15SpeakerI was trying to get like a wide shot of it.

3:28:19BubblemanI suggest whenever you shoot to try and get a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5... 1...

3:28:26BubblemanOn your shots, even if it's just like you say you're shooting a mango bud, shoot the mango bud at 1-1, shoot it at 2-1, 4-1 and 5-1 and you'll learn a bunch of shit.

3:28:38SpeakerBut it's incredible like when you start to see the detail though. Oh yeah. It's like ridiculous and then the different lighting lights up different parts of it, you know, like Seeing the heads is just in different ways. When the light hits it, you see a different spectrum of the heads.

3:28:56BubblemanRight. Fucking right. Yeah, here's a trippy one. I took some ones recently that were just trippy. They're unlike any shots I've ever really taken before.

3:29:14SpeakerThat's sappy. Look at this thing. This had like long, long, clear... Super long systolic hairs.

3:29:24BubblemanLook at that. Yeah, that's trippy for sure. I've seen pretty long ones on some narrow leaf drug cultivars though, I have to admit.

3:29:33SpeakerBut yeah, once you started looking into it... Yeah, there they are right here.

3:29:43SpeakerRight here. See how long they are right there? This plant had a lot of weird... Oh, I know why those are long there.

3:29:49BubblemanThat's where... They rip open. They tear open. And these are almost like the threads within the leaves that pulled out. It's like I see it often in the macro where it's like a calyx that has torn open.

3:30:02SpeakerI have quite a few pictures of it where you can see... Oh, you're talking about where I tore the bud open to place it into the thing.

3:30:10BubblemanYeah, but sometimes it seems to do it on its own. I mostly photographed it on dried plants like what you're shooting there, but you don't see it as often on living plants except when they're seeded. When it's a breeding project, you see the calyxes with the bulbous seeds and stuff, they tear open. And when they tear in the calyx, there's these long threads on either side that looks like someone undid Velcro or something.

3:30:38SpeakerYeah, it's crazy, right?

3:30:42SpeakerYeah, that's why I was like, I was getting a lot of photos with that and it was just, because you can see to the right, you've got a hair, like, then there's these hairs that are just covered in trichomes. You know, like this yellow, like, I don't know, part of a hair that's just covered in them. Right. And they're just It's interesting though because if you look at it like on this level and you start to think about how you're going to sieve it or you're going to wash it, you can see why agitation is important.

3:31:10SpeakerYou're trying to like get these little heads to be collected. You get a lot more appreciation for when someone shows you like a 97% or a 99% sift.

3:31:20BubblemanAbsolutely. All right. Well, I'm going to call it a day. Thanks for sharing the photos, Tony, and your time as always. I guess Hash Church 93 is at an impasse, at an end. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thanks D420K for coming out and chilling, bringing all these fucking sandwiches and macaroons and resins and awesomeness. So we'll see you guys next week for episode 94. Hopefully it'll be a good one.

3:31:54BubblemanPeace out. Slayers!