CBD Isolate and DEA Rescheduling

0:02Skunk ManAll right, all right.

0:03BubblemanHello, everybody. Welcome to Hash Church, episode 117. Happy to have you here. It's a very blistery, wintry, snowy morning here in beautiful British Columbia, and I'm pretty much snowed in. Driveway's covered, snow's pounding down, and what a beautiful day for our last, well, our second last Hash Church of the year. We have one more on Christmas, Christmas Day. We'll see if we're going to be actually getting that done during that time.

0:29BubblemanAnd in the meantime... I'm going to send out the link to all of the wonderful panelists. So let's start with let's start with that. I think I actually just sent out the email without the actual link. So that was pretty classic. That was pretty classic. Hope everyone's doing well today. We're going to have some good conversations. About all things cannabis of course and I have invited in my friend Anthony from Sinner Tech and he's going to be talking a little bit about CBD isolates and what he thinks is going to be happening here with this new de-scheduling of our scheduling of the DEA put out.

1:12BubblemanIt was very confusing and a lot of people are confused so we're going to talk about that today and I've also invited in Sabo, my good buddy Sabo from Vapex Hail. We're going to talk a little bit about the Canna Athlete Program and see what he's been doing lately down there in California and around. Welcome, Mr. Indra.

1:30MrWelcome, John Burfellow.

1:37BubblemanWelcome. Oh, you just got to mute that YouTube video there, Indra. Welcome, Skunk Man Sam. I think we got everyone invited out. I always like to make sure I haven't forgotten as there's so many different methods from the emails to the Facebook messages to the Skypes to the private messages, all these different methods. I want to make sure everyone's, yes, please Samurai Sam, heat up your vapex hail because it is going down today.

2:04BubblemanWelcome Mark Scaldone. Welcome Todd McCormick.

2:09Skunk ManGood morning, folks.

2:10BubblemanAnd welcome, Etienne Fontaine. And it would probably not be wise to not say welcome to the 400 people that just joined us here in the first couple of minutes of Hash Church. We appreciate that on-point timing. You guys do not wait. We go live, you're right there with us, and we really do appreciate that. Well, wow, look at that. I don't think I've ever seen Indra's face before.

2:34BubblemanWelcome, Indra's face. Good morning, John.

2:40MrGood morning, John. John has transformed since the Emerald Cup. He saw all those people out there doing it bold, and I think he's like, fuck it.

2:48BubblemanYeah, dude, straight up. That's awesome. Well, it's good to have you here with us, John, on video and everything. We appreciate it.

2:59SpeakerNot only that, but ATN sent me this in the mail.

3:05BubblemanOh, that's the kickdown of kickdowns right there.

3:08SpeakerThe most amazing type I have ever had in my life. And since he sent it to me, I've been dabbing like a madman. The thing heats itself up, you know.

3:21BubblemanYeah. Well, give thanks to Steve Bates for that. I'm pretty sure Bates came up with that madness a few years back. So that's very cool, Etienne. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

3:33SpeakerWell, he was enjoying it. The tenure of the best, man. No problem. You looked like you were enjoying it so much, and it was that place needed to go to a house that would appreciate it, and I knew it would. So I hope you get many years of joy out of it. Good. I'm still just... I've been... Adam, the donut guy, has been... Giving me lots of little bottles of 70, 90, and 120 different hashes this morning.

4:15SpeakerFirst thing I'm going to do is try out this black banana greaser. But it definitely got me hooked on bubble stuff, bubble boy.

4:31SpeakerThat's so awesome.

4:33BubblemanHey, I want to welcome Anthony to the room. I think there might be some background noise coming through your mic there, bud.

4:39AnthonyHey, guys. Anthony, Center Tech Labs here checking in. Thanks for having me.

4:45BubblemanYeah, dude, it's good to have you here. Anthony's one of the gentlemen who's with CenterTech and is busting out the most absurd, ridiculous CBD crystalline out of Colorado. So if you guys have seen some of the photos or the video that I posted the other day, that is the work of Anthony and his partner. So we thought we would have them on today and discuss a little bit of what's going on with CBD.

5:10BubblemanMaybe they don't know exactly what's going on with this new CBD thing, but I'm sure they have an opinion on it or I'm sure he has an opinion on it. So I thought it would be cool to invite him in and we could talk a little bit about CBD and CBD isolate and yeah, just kind of... Where we think this is going because it's, you know, at first this schedule thing came out and then people said, oh, no, that's just for something else.

5:33BubblemanThat's five years old. It just got published. There's all these different things. I don't pretend to know the exact story, but I know people are kind of tripped out. And I guarantee you people who are not in this scene that just maybe have a sick child or something that are trying to access CBD, they probably have even less of an idea of what's actually going on. Is anyone familiar with the new DEA rescheduling?

5:56BubblemanTodd, you must have something on this.

5:59MrYeah. Well, something on this. I mean, I hate to say it was expected, but I think it was expected. I mean, so many people were trying to shove CBD under this DEA, HIA court case that happened in the 90s over, of all things, hemp seed food being contaminated with cannabinoids. And basically them saying that CBD is legal because of it. And I can't wait for the day where all of this stuff is legal.

6:27MrSo, you know, I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but, you know, I'm not surprised that they made this clarification, which is more of what it is, a clarification than it is anything else because... You know, the way that it was listed, you know, they had tetrahydrocannabinol listed in Schedule 1, and people were trying to say, well, CBD is not listed, you know, but the truth is, cannabis, common marijuana is how they listed, you know, all parts of it in Schedule 1, and I'm not surprised they're throwing a blanket over this.

6:57MrI feel really bad for all the parents of children that are having positive effects from their child, and I hope, honestly, that there is a major...

7:09SpeakerI suspect that only the CBD that is going to be interstate or from outside the US into the US to be stopped. The stuff that's produced in state and distributed in state, the feds don't have the manpower.

7:29MrI completely agree with what Sam just said. That's really the crux of this because a lot of the companies that the FDA was looking at were actually interstate commerce. When the FDA did that testing, I was actually glad they did it because it showed that half of the companies did not even have CBD or cannabinoids in their product, which makes all of us look bad because if somebody gets something that they think is going to help their kid and there's no active ingredients in it, there's no CBD, no THC.

7:59MrThe kids not gonna get better and they're gonna think pot doesn't work. It's a scammer company.

8:05BubblemanIt's a lot more serious than the old school sort of methodology that happened to us when we were promoting the health of hemp seeds back in the 90s. And of course, it wasn't as important because it wasn't like stopping seizures or shrinking tumors. But it was still, we promoted it as rich in essential amino acids and this whole food and all this stuff. And it was all steam distilled.

8:27BubblemanIt was all dead. It was all like non-live. None of it would even crack. So what are you guys feeling over there in Colorado, Anthony? Are you guys feeling like it's going to be fine for in Colorado?

8:38AnthonyYeah, so companies like us that, you know, operate above ground and follow all state laws, you know, there's going to be no issue for us. We're going to be able to make that change pretty seamlessly when the regulation comes. You know, that language put out by the DEA, that's the first step to more regulation coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's, you know, emulates kind of like the med here in Colorado with the THC.

8:59AnthonyI think there'll be, you know, some regulations set in, and as long as, you know, the companies that are doing it are still doing it right and, you know, following all state laws, you know, Like the other gentleman here was saying, they don't have the manpower to really enforce. The states are going to do what they want to do, and the people need the CBD, and they're going to get the medicine however they can.

9:22SpeakerYou can understand why the feds went after CBD. I'm not saying they're right, because I don't believe they are. But CBD is the big toe that's getting through the door first. Oh, yeah. And they want to cut that freaking toe off.

9:38BubblemanAnd speaking of the big toe, here's a little bit of CenterTech's work here on the screen, guys. A little bit of their Rose CBD isolate.

9:48SpeakerWell, I do realize that the people from Europe have been, I mean, I know a lot of people have been going to Europe now, and I know there's fields growing of strictly CBD. So, as Todd was saying, I was rather surprised it took this long for regulations to come down, because... You know, it's a compound of the plant and it even says so from the beginning, you know, any derivative of the plant thereof.

10:09SpeakerSo I knew it was only a matter of time. My fear, well, there's multiple things. One, I'm happy that to an extent that this breakdown is happening so that there's, it gets rid of these snake girls who are selling this fake CBD stuff because I deal with the fallout of the effects of kids who have tried things or parents who have tried things. It's not working and the kid's dying.

10:33SpeakerThank you for joining us.

10:49SpeakerI don't know if it's...

11:13SpeakerExcuse me, Jeff. In the short term, the best solution is produce it in-state and don't ship it out of the state until this is settled. There's one thing that everybody's kind of leaving out. And that is that on the theory about they don't have the manpower to enforce it. They don't really need the manpower to enforce it because all they need to do is shut down all the big players and they have plenty of manpower to do that.

11:41SpeakerThen after the big players, they'll come after the medium and then the small. And that's how they work things. Just, you know, by the way, I don't want to be a big dapper on everything. I've been watching the government for a long time and there's a method to their madness.

11:59BubblemanYeah, there definitely is.

12:01MrAnd I want to agree with you, John. You know, I think that they come after the bigger parties to scare those smaller parties into submission and often it works.

12:10SpeakerWell, that's what they tried to do with us in Harborside with the government tried to evict us. They tried to intimidate the biggest players so that it would affect and ripple forward. They didn't realize that we would actually stand our ground and actually do that. So, yeah, we've proven that already. They will definitely go after the big fish to scare everything smaller away. And, yeah, the guys in Colorado and everywhere, like Andrew was saying, just keep it in state.

12:37SpeakerDon't do anything... That interstate with these new, you know, regulations that could go into a crack just to protect yourselves.

12:44MrWell, this is also going to really dampen the people that are coming in from Denmark and Europe with their CBD products because, you know, I was the bearer of bad news to Ben Dronkers when he was asking me about this because I was saying for the same reasons you don't send seeds to America, I wouldn't send CBD. And, you know, and I still feel that that's the case until we really iron out the problems federally.

13:06MrWe're all still facing the ignorance of the federal bureaucracy and the federal judicial system.

13:12BubblemanYou know how I figured it out Todd was you know I was I'm I work with center tech a little bit and trying to trying to promote the work that these guys are doing because the isolation the the crystallization isolate technique that they have going on is just you know second to none and I like what they're doing and I like the idea of people having access to monomolecular medicines that you know are going to allow them to create recipes that will Thank you so much for joining us today.

14:04BubblemanThere was still impurities in the crystal. I think that the crystal is pretty pure, but if you smash it into powder, you create a product that you could very easily bastardize by mixing other white powders into. What would you say about that?

14:20AnthonyOh, you're on mute, bud. Here we go. You guys hear me? Okay. So we offer the large crystals so people can see, you know, what their CBD looks like before it's pulverized or, you know, slabbed out because, you know, when you pulverize or slab out crystal, you know, you can hide a lot of the yellow tints and a lot of the, you know, impurities. So being able to see what your crystal looks like in full form, seeing those hexagonal and diamond, you know, Thank you for joining us.

15:10AnthonyYou know, to ensure your smoke in a pure product is, you know, is 300 PPMs of, and keep in mind, it's, so we use, we use pentane in our process, and pentane is, on the toxicity chart, is actually less toxic than butane, so is 300 PPMs of pentane really, you know, really affecting you that much compared to, you know, the powder is, It is zero PPMs and it is the crystals pulverized to give companies that do infusions easier product to work with.

15:39SpeakerThose pink crystals, what is the pink color coming from?

15:43AnthonySo that was kind of a fluke in our process. You know, we sometimes, we've had like a teal tint in the past. And, you know, we ended up having a pink tint that after the third recrystallization, it kind of really came out. And it was a pretty wild problem. It doesn't really taste any different or, you know, test any different.

15:59SpeakerWhat is the pink color? What is the pink color?

16:04AnthonyYou know, my guess is just some sort of pigment that, you know, our process didn't remove and it was just, you know, and distillate to start with. You know, we do a distillation of all of our oil before it goes into crystallization. So sometimes if, you know, the distillate isn't, you know, quite, you know, fully de-waxed or, you know, there's some factors that can play into the tints of the final product.

16:24Skunk ManIs the distillate pink?

16:26AnthonyThe distillate, you know, it was kind of reddish to start. And I think, you know, when we purified and crashed out the CBD, you know, it held some of that color and kind of, you know, since CBD is so clear and light.

16:38Skunk ManThose are highly, it's highly likely that those compounds are like flavonoids. Flavonoids, again, are very, very highly colored and you only really need a very, very little bit to give a lot of color. So probably the flavonoids or isoflavonoids or some kind of degradation compound that you get from your distillation process. Do you do any chromatographic separation prior to your distillation?

17:06AnthonyWe do not, but you know, we have standards for our input oil. So, you know, CenterTech, we're predominantly a production company here in Colorado that works with hemp farmers. So we require, you know, oil to a certain spec. So in this case, we'd require CBD distillate above 70% purity to be able to guarantee our efficiencies and pulling out the CBD from the solution.

17:27Skunk ManSo what type of quality control measures do you have in place to look at the material before you put it into your distillation process?

17:35AnthonySo everything is, you know, tested with HPLC so I can see the starting potency. That way when I do my mass balance, I can assess my true efficiency of CBD recovery. So, you know, that's one of our things. And also, you know, it has to be totally void of waxes visually. If there's any cloud in the oil, I'll reject it and have them rewinterize it because, you know, that's a clear indication that, you know, something got through in their filtering process.

17:59AnthonyJust little things like that, assuring purity and assuring the clarity and having it being fully decarboxylated and activated.

18:07Skunk ManYou're not doing the winterization. You're having your customers supply you a CBD oil that's already been winterized.

18:15AnthonySo we do a few different services. We do a flower to isolate where we have to incur the winterization. Then we do raw extract to crystal where we have to winterize, distilled, and isolate. And then we also, again, our most cost-effective option for our clients is producing the distillate for us to just do one service, which is isolation.

18:34SpeakerCool. Now, Anthony, can I ask you a question? Sure. You're distilling the CBD. Are you separate from your THC for pure CBD oil, is that right?

18:49AnthonySo in the distillates we start with, you know, all the hemp we work with is registered by the state and certified below .03% THC, but even when you extract that, it can concentrate down into, you know, most distillate we work with is anywhere from 2-6% THC, so it's really the isolation process that You know, just crashing out the CBD and leaving everything else behind, which is another byproduct of our process is this mother oil distillate that still tests, you know, very high in other cannabinoids.

19:24AnthonyAnd that's a product we're trying to, you know, further isolate and bring to the market as well.

19:29SpeakerSo when you distill it and you've got it there in front of you, I'm assuming you do a cold pentane wash on it in order to precipitate crystals. Is that right?

19:40AnthonyYeah, so, you know, there's, you know, over trial and error, you know, the solvent choice is a big thing. The other thing is just, you know, environment and ratios and just, you know, we have a, you know, kind of a proprietary process we use with our environment we use and the ratios we use and the different times we, Thanks for watching.

20:18AnthonySo yeah, there's a few companies now that are powered by CenterTech. Infinite CBD, Summit CBD, Stone Suites. We got a few new people that are starting to see the CenterTech difference.

20:34BubblemanI like those guys at the Stone Suites. Those are good dudes. I was lucky enough to get a box of those and I really enjoyed them.

20:43Skunk ManIsn't Dave at Elite providing crystals now or no?

20:47AnthonySo they have, you know, they have some contracts locked in, you know, they do a similar service to us, but, you know, there's, you know, certain things we do a little bit differently and that we're, you know, trying to market and go for. And, you know, it's like, you know, there's, you know, there's two, there's like two Two or three processing companies, you know, a handful of CBD processing companies in the state, you know, there's room for, you know, there's room for all of us here and, you know, there's, with securing our production contracts, we can all have a space in the market and work together to kind of get the CBD movement out there because there's a lot of people that don't really understand what CBD can do for them and we're just at the, we're at the infancy stage of this market opportunity and to really help a lot of people too, it has the potential to.

21:30Skunk ManYeah, they're both watching right now. I know that for a fact. So Dave and Tim. So Tim Clark from Foothills and Dave Bonvillain from Elite. We're talking.

21:41MrI have a question, guys. Because CBD is not psychoactive, does it need to be decarbed?

21:47AnthonySo it's fully activated. The crystals are fully activated. They're ready to go.

21:51MrNo, no, that's not my question. Because it's not psychoactive, does it need to be decarbed? Like THC, obviously, THC acid won't get you high, but CBD won't get you high if it's decarbed or not. So is it not ready to go as an acid?

22:05SpeakerWhat you're really asking, Todd, is does CBD-A affect the receptors in your body the same way that CBD does?

22:17AnthonySo I believe it's a little different and as far as isolation goes, in my experience, if it's not fully activated into CBD, it won't pull out of the solution as efficiently and you can leave behind molecule.

22:30Skunk ManIt's not scientifically accurate to say that CBD is not psychoactive because it is active in the brain and it needs to be decarboxylated to get there. But the point is that it doesn't deliver the same psychoactive effect as THC. I think that's the point, right? It is psychoactive.

22:48SpeakerPure C does not get you high, put it that way.

22:53Skunk ManNo, but it acts on receptors in the brain, so therefore it is psychoactive.

22:59MrI totally agree with you, Mark, completely. But when we talk about THC being decarbed, we say it's psychoactive. THCA is not in the sense that it won't get you high, but the truth is THCA is psychoactive too. It's just that you don't feel it or experience it. Right?

23:16Skunk ManYeah. The measured affinities on receptors, THC has a much higher binding affinity, where CBD has hardly none at all. But they believe that CBD works at what's called an allosteric site, which isn't the site that THC binds to, there's like another site on the enzyme that kind of upregulates it or turns the volume up louder. They don't really know, but there is some activity.

23:41SpeakerCBD does not bind really to the CB1 receptor, but it doesn't really bind to the CB2 receptor either. My question is, Anthony, are you doing anything testable about edible citrus? I know with THC, when we eat THC, it turns to electrohydroxymetabolite in the liver. And of course, one of the questions is what happens to CBD when it's... Thank you so much for joining us today.

24:32SpeakerThe research needs to be there. And so what are you guys doing to help move that along, if at all?

24:40AnthonySo we are researching, you know, the bioavailability because, you know, we are starting to, you know, explore coming out with a brand. Aside from being just a production company, we want to, you know, forefront this movement with, you know, products that are effective and actually work that will educate the people to, well, you know, CBD actually helps this person with this and this actually works. So, you know, right now we have a tincture and a capsule.

25:03AnthonyYou know, we pair our tinctures just isolate and MCT oil because, you know, right now as far as, you know, You know, we're not, our focus right now isn't our brand and our marketing, but, you know, we're about to, that's kind of our next venture here is really focusing on, you know, two products to kind of forefront, you know, two super effective products that are going to forefront this movement to kind of get out there.

25:24AnthonyAnd that's, we're kind of in product development and kind of R&D phase still for brand products from us. But as far as processing goes, we're past the R&D.

25:35SpeakerWell, I got a question for Sam. When I went to the cup the other day, I took along some 88 to 1 CBD and I was dabbing it with everybody. And my back was hurting quite a bit, so we were dabbing it quite a bit. And then a little bit later on in the same one, I was sitting with ATN and Todd and everyone. These guys came along from Frankenstein Extractions with some lemon push.

26:02SpeakerAnd I've been dabbing with everybody all day long, but I mostly have been dabbing this high CBD oil because my back was hurting me. And my experience after that and then smoking THC, the Kush THC, was I got so slammed, I could hardly tell that my butt was sitting on a concrete floor. I guess the question, John, is if you wouldn't have been dabbing CBD all day long and you first smoked that THC, would you have gotten even higher?

26:38SpeakerNo. In fact, that very same person gave me a bottle, a gram of the Head's That we're talking about and I smoked them the next day and it was a similar high but so then I decided to repeat the experiment and I took about 10 or 12 dabs of CBD and at the end of that then I had a dab of this Banana OG, 70U Screen Heads.

27:05SpeakerAnd once again, it slammed me into the farthest reaches of the universe. And so what I'm wondering is, what is going on there with the CBD flushing me like a toilet and then the new THC came in? Or what? I just... You know, that's my anecdotal experience anyway. I can't really say, but I can guarantee you this. If you smoke pure CBD, you do not get high.

27:32SpeakerNever claimed I got high from the CBD. I understand, but I'm trying to explain what I've been saying is you don't get high from CBD. CBD absolutely does modulate THC. To me, not in a beneficial way because it delays onset, reduces peak experience, and makes the whole thing last longer. But some people might find that better. I enjoyed the CBD. I tell you, I had no idea that it was going to be Thank you for watching.

28:25SpeakerAnd some of them, myself, I mean, working with a lot of CBDs for years, and CBD and THC is what helps me with pain. If I dab just the purest form of CBD, I really don't like it. I need the THC. Like, I got some stuff I got from a friend a couple weeks ago, and a lot, a lot of pain, and it's 48% CBD, 41% THC, and it literally just started taking my pain away, like the terpenes around the hospital.

28:50SpeakerCertain things work, but all CBD doesn't, it It doesn't do anything for me. I need the TAC in order to help me.

28:58BubblemanWhat form of pure CBD were you hitting, John? Were you hitting crystal? Who was making that?

29:03SpeakerNo, that wouldn't be the form of CBD I got from the hemp that was made. Remember how that little jar of pure CBD? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was what I was trying.

29:10BubblemanBut time out. Was that pure CBD or was that just heads that were extracted off the plant?

29:16SpeakerThat was a distillate made from hemp. Distillate. So it was actually... Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:22MrIt was...

29:22SpeakerYou know, it was from him.

29:25Bubbleman90 plus percent or whatever.

29:26MrYou know, and I want to say this, you know, for a lot of people that are dealing with traumatic medical conditions, when you feel better, you feel kind of high. Like it feels so good for it to feel better. That I can understand people using CBD and getting alleviation of whatever their personal symptom is and feeling a lot more elevated than they did earlier.

29:51SpeakerProbably would make the THC work a bit better too if you're not in pain and concentrating on that, then the THC can get you fucking high.

30:00MrRight, and know what, you know, we can't understate that when you're sick, the psychological condition it puts you in is a huge part of the hurdle you have to overcome. And if you have THC there to help you like, you know, a nurse walking you through a heavy treatment, that feeling of euphoric is a huge part of feeling better.

30:22SpeakerWell, the fact is, Todd, that it is practically impossible to feel euphoric and bad at the same time. And that's one of the oxymorons that the politicians and the rest of the... Andrew, I have to disagree with you. Morphine definitely makes you feel good, but I felt my soul hurt very bad that entire time. You chase pain with morphine or any kind of opiates. That's what I always found.

30:47SpeakerWith cannabis I'm not chasing pain, it alleviates the pain to an extent where I can be able to function without the pain actually disrupting my concentration, which Mark used to see all the time. I forget things all the time because of the pain and the painkillers, right?

31:02BubblemanNot only that, John, when you were, when, listen, when I first met you, bro, you smoked like a fiend. Like a, like a, like I could tell after a while, I was like, right on, this guy puffs tough. And then I, we'd be puffing and I'd be like, you know what, this guy's puffing tough, but not the way I'm puffing tough. Like, and I noticed after your operation that that was done.

31:21BubblemanYou weren't, you didn't puff like that anymore. You, I could see relief, like real relief. Fuck, Operation was incredible, man. Like, I've never seen an operation work. That good. Like, it made me kind of feel like, yeah, like, fuck the North American Western medicine. Like, man, they got some fucking good shit going on there. We bash on them all the time, but I'll tell you, they basically saved John's life.

31:48SpeakerNo, no, they saved my life, and cannabis saved my life from addictive pharmaceutical drugs. So if it wasn't for the cannabis, I would probably be drooling, not in the surgery. It would have been a different state of mind because I probably would never go out to the state to have the surgery. Thank you so much for joining us.

32:20MrThis caniopathic medicine, as Dr. Lester Grinspoon calls it, with what we understand in Western medicine and not all onto the sword of these very legal pharmaceutical drugs that don't work but really fuck us up more, I think we could see some hugely healthy times ahead of us. Not huge, but I could see a big shift.

32:43BubblemanYeah, absolutely. Well, what a powerful statement. I would be dead and John would be paralyzed. Holy smokes. I'll puff to that. I'm going to hit the new Klein that I picked up the other day. Got my Taurus all sold to a new person and got myself a little Klein. It's time for a new dab. It's time for a new dab. Here's some CBD powder.

33:07BubblemanWe were waiting for that, D420K. Welcome, by the way, my friend, my friend.

33:12SpeakerThank you. How are you guys doing? Nice pipe you got there, too, by the way. Dude, we were doing bong rips last night with yours. Same style. I cleaned up that one, too. I cleaned up this bad boy. It was pretty dirty last night.

33:29BubblemanHey, and for anyone out there watching, if you guys are looking for a great timer, I've got this timer called Interval Timer. It's got two timers, so the first timer is how long you heat up your torch, the nail for, and then once it's over, it just goes to the next timer. You can set it for 50 or 55 seconds or a minute or whatever you want.

33:50SpeakerIs that for Android or iPhone?

33:51BubblemanI think both, I believe. It's called Interval Timer, so...

33:57SpeakerI've got to give a shout out to the Blue River Boys on this lavender skunk. Holy shit, man. What a fucking beautiful taste. What do you look, what are you showing us there, Anthony?

34:10AnthonySo I got some full spectrum lemon G here. It's ran from a good buddy of mine out here in Colorado. This is the full spectrum sauce. And then this next one here. We got some sour glue, HC, FSC, which is high cannabinoid, full spectrum extract. It's pretty much just THCA crystals that are all faceted and crazy looking, sitting in a bath of terpenes. And let's see what else we got here.

34:39AnthonyWe got some cookies and cream, THCA crystals.

34:43SpeakerI want to see you hit that in a bong. Rip, brother. Bong rip. I'm going in about 20 seconds here.

34:53BubblemanI'm going to double it up.

34:56AnthonyHave you guys ever experienced the THC acetate? This stuff?

35:02SpeakerYep.

35:04BubblemanYeah. I got it in the glass syringes. I don't hit it myself, but I feel that it's great medicine I'll be able to give to someone or pass it on to someone nearby, so I guess I'm going to hit this.

35:14SpeakerWhen you smoke teenage acetate, do you prefer it in some way or is it better for you in some way?

35:25MrYou'll have to speculate while he inhales there, Sam.

35:30SpeakerI was speaking to the guy from the extract company. Anthony. Yes, sir. Skugman, Sam's talking to you. I'm sorry. Could you repeat the question? Does THC acetate give you effects that are better or different or stronger or what?

35:52AnthonyI wouldn't say it's like five times the strength, but I'd say it's definitely a different type of high. It amplifies a little bit. What I think is the craziest part of smoking it It's how smooth it is. I mean, you could take just the biggest monster dabs and it's just no expansion, no hotness, no harshness at all. That's what I think is the craziest part about that stuff.

36:14AnthonyAs far as effect goes, it's pretty similar to smoking a regular distillate, in my opinion. Maybe you feel a little bit different. I think with CBD, personally, when I dab it, it gives me an altered mind effect. I've exposed several people that don't smoke, don't consume cannabinoids at all, and they took a fat dab of CBD, and they definitely felt it. They had some chronic back pain that was no longer, and one of the guys had a broken rib, and he experienced this incredible relief.

36:42AnthonyWe really can't make many claims and make too many testimonials right now at this point, but let's just say we're stocking up on them. We have a lot of amazing stories that we're going to be coming out with here in the future to promote our CBD. Our CBD actually works to treat this kind of stuff.

37:01SpeakerWhat we supplied CBD to first. This was back in the late 80s. We supplied CBD to some Brazilian researchers who were looking at it as an anti-psychotic agent. They were given like multi-gram doses of CBD per day for several weeks. And it was...

37:22AnthonyAnd the one thing I'll say too is, you know, sorry to interrupt you there, but, you know, so CBD is, you know, I think it's, you know, one of our largest problems in the country right now is the opioid crisis. And, you know, before Osama bin Laden was executed, he said, you think 9-11 got you bad? Well, wait till you see what I did to your country with the opioid addiction.

37:41AnthonyIt's already too late. So I feel like maybe CBD could be an alternative for this. And I feel like with the right Thank you for joining us.

38:07AnthonyWe want to get the right people behind this. We want to get some big names. We want to get Trump behind this. He wants to solve a lot of the opioid issue. If we could put together an informational video about this and have the right studies behind us with the right funding and the right people, that's how we can really make a difference with CBD. That's kind of my vision.

38:30BubblemanI definitely saw, I saw him on O'Reilly, Bill O'Reilly, and I was like, oh my God, what is this guy going to say? Donald Trump. And they were just trying to, Bill O'Reilly was trying to bash on pot. And, you know, Donald Trump's like, I don't know anything about that. Recreational. I don't know about that, Bill. I don't know about that. But then Bill's like, well, you know, the medical is just a sham, right, Donald?

38:50BubblemanI mean, they're just, they got a headache. They got to get a medical prescription. And fuck, if Donald Trump, if my jaw was on the floor, he was like, now, Bill. Bill, no, I know a lot of people who are using the medical marijuana and he actually like said something good about it like it's not going anywhere basically is what he said. Did anyone else see this interview that was, I mean don't get me wrong, I've never seen that Bill O'Reilly guy in my life.

39:15BubblemanIt was a clip that someone sent me on YouTube but he seemed to be one of the most obnoxious, negative, anti-fucking, anything that we like person I've ever come across in my entire life. Am I accurate? I don't know.

39:30SpeakerHave you met Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin?

39:33BubblemanOh yeah, she's from Alaska or whatever, the clueless fucking chick that says the stupidest shit. Is that who you're talking about?

39:41Skunk ManYou can probably see your house from across the bay, Mark.

39:44BubblemanOh, right, yeah, because she can see Russia from across her fucking thing. But still, I think this guy Bill O'Reilly is even more fucked than her, no? Like, I don't know, but it seemed like it from my perspective.

39:55SpeakerWell, I'm concerned with Sarah Payne because how could she not see Russia hacking our elections from there, you know what I'm saying? Nice to keep behind you there, Etienne. Where you at?

40:11SpeakerI'm off in the Pacific Islands for the holidays. Really? Beautiful. Looks nice, man. Looks nice, bro.

40:20BubblemanHey, I wanted to give a quick shout out to this glass cleaner that I've been using that I just, it's, you know what, I would have never believed that I've gone through so many bloody glass cleaners, but my friend from DC Glass out in Ontario, I got a bottle of it actually from my buddy Van City MFS on Instagram via Mick from Dark Crystal. Anyway, this shit right here, it's one of these natural cleaners that I'm sure they have at Home Depot and whatnot, you know, based on some oil or something or something.

40:49BubblemanSome enzyme from a chickpea or some shit like that. But listen, the tech is, is that you, after you hit your quartz, you dip your Q-tip in that. You clean it first with the Q-tip, but then you take the Q-tip dipped in the material, you put it in here, it froths up and it literally carries all of the fucking material away. I'm hitting like a mega pot here and it's just, Etienne, if you want to save your quartz, This tech is unbelievable.

41:18BubblemanNo taste, no flavor whatsoever. It evaporates right out. You can drink this shit. It's natural. Not that you'd want to. It's kind of oily and nasty. It would be like drinking olive oil. But nonetheless, I was beyond impressed. So I had to give that shout out. And I want to make sure that when I shout out Pete... That I shout him out correctly on Instagram because he literally came right to us.

41:40BubblemanYeah, so it's Van City MFS. Go give him a follow on Instagram. Good guy that used to, that works in the scene here in Vancouver. And shout out to Dark Crystal Glass. They do all the courts and whatnot out east in Canada here. They're on to something. This fucking cleaner is really good. For any of you that spend the money on these quartz bangers like these mega pots and stuff, they cost a serious amount of dough, so it's nice to be able to take care of them and not just torch them into oxidized quartz death.

42:11BubblemanAs I call it. What's the name of that stuff again?

42:14SpeakerSo like this, you're saying, Mark?

42:15BubblemanIt's called, it's called, yeah, yeah. So look at Johnny's Quartz Banger. Let me open that up. Look at that. So that is exactly what happens. And this is one that I've hit, you know, so many times already, like 100, 200 times. And I used to do exactly that, John. Go ahead.

42:32AnthonyYou guys need to try out these new Puke and Beagle thermal bangers. And they make what's called a 30 millimeter skillet. And it is game-changing for you. You'll put away your quave, you'll put away everything else, and you'll only use this puke and beagle. It has this directional carb cap flow, and you can milk your hit and get like five hits off of one dab. So I'm about to go in here on some sour glue.

43:01BubblemanThe reason why I believe that you are correct on that, Anthony, is that the larger the surface area of quartz that I hit, the more that I enjoy it. And I started out on the smallest one. I'm on a double XL now that I use that's quite large. And I just love a larger quartz surface area. The way it dissipates heat, it just seems to... You can really spread it out.

43:29AnthonyYeah, exactly. Those are awesome for sure.

43:32BubblemanI thought I was getting one actually. There was a kid that was supposed to be sending me a full puking beagle pipe. And I don't know whatever happened to that. I just, I lose track of these things. But I definitely am a supporter of Puking Beagle. I've got some of his, I used to get some of his earlier sort of prototype pieces. And in fact, I think I got one of his first prototypes for that carb that you're holding there.

43:56BubblemanAnd instead of being a blown out ball, it was a solid piece of glass that had a dabber coming out of one end and a handle out of the other end. So almost a warped marble in the middle. And it was for the dog house. So it was the electric denail that you would plug this thing right on top of. You could dab and carve at the same time.

44:14BubblemanAnd man, I'll tell you, that thing was one of the best tasting ribs.

44:19AnthonyIf you guys are on Instagram and check out at Drippin Terps, he does all the wholesale for the puke and beagle bangers. You can get the 30 millimeter skillet exclusively from him. I like them better than the thermal and the two wall ones because they're easier to keep clean. And what's really cool about them is you do a 10 on 20 off torch tech. So you heat it for 10 seconds and you set your timer for 20 seconds and you're at the perfect temp and it like saves a bunch of butane and it's the way to go.

44:48BubblemanIt's kind of how I was literally just not too long ago, I was hitting with some friends and they're like, why are you only heating it up for like 10 seconds? I'm like, I don't know, why do you have to heat it up longer? It works great for a smaller bowl. I'm surprised it works that good for a huge 30 mil like that.

45:09AnthonyIt's excellent. That's awesome. I can't wait to try. I'll make sure you can get one here, Mark. I'll get your name on one.

45:17BubblemanWell, you know what? Like I said, I'm sure Puking Beagle had one. He's also on Instagram, for those of you that don't know, and he's the blower that makes all of these products. Yeah, Puking Beagle, so I'm not sure exactly what his account is. There's so many people posting those things, though.

45:36AnthonyAnd guys, I was just deleted off Instagram. My account was master underscore extractor 27. And they got me a couple days ago. So I started a new account, master underscore extractor 2.0.

45:48BubblemanSo give me a follow there for now. They just got Tony as well. He had like 30,000 plus subscribers. I was bummed. I'll be back. The week we did the AMA show, me, Tim, Emerald Cup, and SC Labs lost our Instagrams. I lost my Blue River Instagram that week as well, Todd.

46:08MrReally? Yeah. They didn't reinstate any of them as far as I know either.

46:14BubblemanYeah, I'm not really going to go and try and rock the boat or anything too hard myself.

46:20SpeakerWhy is it kicking off Instagram?

46:22BubblemanWell, there's a sort of a kind of a cannabis sort of policy or an illicit drug policy that it seems to. It seems like generally the people that get hit the fastest are those making sales. If you're there really just selling stuff, it's a real, real fine line. It's like groups on Facebook, you know. You're like, fuck, I posted the wrong thing. They deleted it. It's like, yeah, well, this group's not for that.

46:48BubblemanPeople can't wrap their head around fucking Facebook.

46:51MrWell, the other side of the problem is that it's not, you know, I wasn't making any sales. I was just using it to post my photos. But the truth is neither was Tim Blake or the Emerald Cup was using it for promotion. Same with SC Labs. The problem is that you can have people report your account. And when we were doing the pro AMA shows that became Proposition 64, the people who were against it were going to our Instagrams and reporting them, which would then get them deleted by a computer algorithm.

47:21BubblemanYeah, the only thing I'm saying is that's not for sure what happened.

47:25MrI had the guy that ran the LA AMA, anti-AMA page write me on Instagram and apologize. I still have the message.

47:35BubblemanNo, no, I know it might have been very well what happened to you, but it's not always what happens to everyone is all I'm saying. You've got to mute your mic if you're going to talk there, Anthony. I'll mute it for you, no problem. It just comes through super loud. I just know that there's all sorts of different things going on with the Instagram police. It kind of sucks.

47:53BubblemanI hate to hear people. I mean, look at DNA. They got slammed at $105,000 or something. I don't know if they got it back or they started another account, but... They built that following back in like a few months. So props to DNA for killing it on the social media. Where to get my hat? This is actually from Adam who works with DNA Fly. And you can check him out on Instagram at... Let's see if I can find him with just Adam Fly.

48:25BubblemanIt's always the worst when you can't. Maybe he's... Oh, Fly High Club. He's the Fly High Club. So yeah, check that out. It's too bad, you know, people put so much energy into these Instagram accounts and it becomes a big part of who their persona is in the cannabis community. Some of them start straight businesses that only exist on Instagram and like are literally people are living off these businesses.

48:52BubblemanIt's unfortunate that they feel the urge or the need when it's already so hard, it's already so difficult. I guess... I guess the bottom line is the cannabis people were still under attack. It's not over. We might have our fucking big toe in the door, but the attacks are endless. They're shutting bank accounts down. They don't want you to be able to move money. They don't want you to be able to pay your taxes in a non shady way.

49:17BubblemanMark Emery arrested yesterday. And Mark Emery was arrested with Jody and Jeremiah yesterday. Well, they opened up like 10 cannabis culture stores or eight, I believe, all simultaneously throughout the city. And so the next day that they opened, I guess the police came down and they took 40 pounds. You know, they arrested 10 people. However, I have to say this. I saw that they arrested them on a Friday and I was always of this mentality like, you know, because I grew up in a police family and I heard these guys talking and I heard them say things like, yeah, we're going to put them in like a Friday on a long weekend and they'll be in there for four days.

49:55BubblemanIt's like, well, that's a piece of shit move. So I was very, very surprised that they released Mark, Jody, and Jeremiah like on a Saturday. Thank you for watching.

50:25BubblemanHey, come on, we have a legal mechanism. Stop making us look bad to Mark and Jody. The reply is always the same. You have a legal mechanism because of the civil disobedience that we've been practicing. It's kind of hard to deny.

50:39MrIt's like a problem. You've dropped their courage and willingness to go through the system to break it.

50:47BubblemanYeah, like seriously to break it, like they are going through gears, getting grinded, just hoping that they break the teeth off these grinders until eventually this machine collapses potentially right on top of them.

51:00MrDude, you know though, it's the oldest method of social disobedience when people would go and do sit-ins at lunch counters. We don't have that resilience anymore and they're showing basically old school signs of resistance by doing it. You know, I mean, how many people listening remember Gandhi's march across India to do something that was simple as we have on our tables every day, which is to make salt, because salt was prohibited.

51:25MrWe think pot being prohibited is stupid as fuck, but how about salt being prohibited by the British when they were Okay, but how crazy is this, Todd?

51:36BubblemanNow, check out these parallels. While we're opening, not we're, sorry, Mark and Jody and all these other front runners are opening these dispensaries through civil disobedience, simultaneously, 13 people in one night died of a fentanyl overdose, 1,250 overdoses in the month of November, not deaths, but overdoses, just in Vancouver alone. 640 deaths. 13 fucking people died in one night. And so here they have decided to go against the federal government's warnings and open up safe injection sites so they can start saving these lives.

52:12BubblemanSimultaneously to that, black rights activist Viola Desmond, who was jailed for defiantly sitting in the whites-only section of a Nova Scotia film house, will be the first Canadian woman to be featured on the country's $10 bill. We're getting this black woman on our money who defiantly practiced civil disobedience and broke the law many, many, many decades ago while Mark and Jody are doing almost the same thing for cannabis.

52:41BubblemanIt's fucking wild.

52:42SpeakerIt's history. It's also been a very important week for Canada because you also had new regulations come down or suggestions for legalization which... I don't think you've touched on either, so it's kind of been a lot to digest. I know Hillary Black kind of had some breakdown of it. I'd love to hear you and John's kind of breakdown of what you think of that as well, because I think it's pretty important because it gives you some, again, lines in the sand that you can either work or challenge.

53:17SpeakerLook, the people that are making fentanyl are pouring millions of dollars into anti-pot campaigns.

53:24BubblemanOh, oh, hey, John, not up here. Up here they're pouring millions of dollars into licensed production cannabis facilities. I couldn't believe it myself. And we talked about it a little bit the other day because what you just said. Makes it easier for me to just be like these fucking bastards. On the other side, I feel like the way the activists feel when I'm like, fuck, do these people deserve to be a part of this?

53:49BubblemanAnd then there's even a further part back behind that, the true activist that says, of course, of course, man, you've got to change the most evil people. If you can get the most evil people on side, you've won, my friend, you've won. So I have all these mixed feelings about it, I won't lie.

54:06SpeakerI have one good feeling, and I keep saying it, I've been saying it for years, once they pass a law of mandatory sentence for six months or more, they're gearing up that with these new regulations, all residents, every resident can grow four plants. So basically, every Canadian can now grow Marijuana cannabis. And to me, that's like, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody can grow.

54:29BubblemanThey made like a hundred million cannabis plants legal. The task force blew my mind. And if you know Hillary and John Page and all these people that were involved in the Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here.

55:09BubblemanYou can, everyone above 18 years old can grow four plants. That's awesome.

55:13SpeakerThey can carry 30 grams. They can carry an ounce of weed on you everywhere.

55:17BubblemanWere we even fighting for that?

55:19SpeakerWell, I was.

55:21BubblemanNo, but honestly, everyone was fighting for medical, John. Let's be honest. There were very few people doing the Mark and Jody fighting for recreational. And all I'm saying is it surprised me when Canada came out with that task force.

55:35SpeakerAnd it was for recreational.

55:36BubblemanI was like, what the hell? This is unbelievable.

55:39SpeakerAnd they're suggesting storefronts, see? And they're suggesting a cannabis culture model as they open up 10 more stores and bust them in these new regulations. They're quoting cannabis culture.

55:51BubblemanBut it is Montreal too.

55:53SpeakerSo what are the negatives? Okay, you're talking about the positives. What are the negatives in there that you don't like?

55:57BubblemanWell, you know, right away people will say, oh, four plants isn't enough, and I need to have more than 30. It's like, oh, my God. Like, why don't you just fuck off for just a second until we get our four? They're not going to be able to monitor the four plants. You can have more than 30. Trust me, this is going to be so good for Canada.

56:16SpeakerI'm going to get every four plants in the yard. I'll put the plants in the yard if they don't want them.

56:22BubblemanYeah, and it doesn't affect the medical. The medical is staying its own separate system. It's not going to shrink medical numbers. It's not going to affect those people. The only thing I saw, Hillary, that was a little bit bummed out about, I believe, was that They wanted to tax them both the same. And I think that she was very much against that, obviously, to tax recreational fine, to tax the medical.

56:48BubblemanIt's just like, ah, really? Like, sick? Need medicine?

56:53SpeakerOne thing of both regulations, they do quote four plants at 100 centimeters, or three feet. So right away, people, oh, you can't grow big plants. Well, it's a new type of growing. We have to say we're going to have to kind of create like 10 or 15 tops, put mesh down on it. Thank you for joining us.

57:26SpeakerSome negatives around that, but like Mark says, we can work around this. It's just ways of working with the new system and expanding it until we can get more because that's where it started from, us pushing that system. Yeah, it's not the be-end-all-all. We've got to fix it more. So when would this start? Is it has to still pass and go through your house?

57:45BubblemanYeah, they don't know. 2017, 2018, 2019, like they don't know. But hey, the fact that they're talking about it is incredible.

57:54SpeakerWhat can average Canadians do then to, do they need to contact people? What can they do to help?

58:00BubblemanWell, you know, keep in mind this task force put a, they put a link out with a pretty awesome little, What would you call it, John, the thing that we all filled out to have our words heard about the task force? Because they asked people's opinions. The public opinion was for like four months on the website. You could go out and you could really, like I'm telling you, Thank you so much for joining us.

58:49BubblemanThose people had the ear of the task force. So I think they basically, they kind of went about it almost exactly like how I would have said, let's do this. Like, let's get the best people from the industry that have been involved and have a history in this and are currently doing this. Let's hear from them. But then let's also hear from, you know, the different doctors and healthcare practitioners and the different people that are actually going to be involved in the new regime.

59:16BubblemanBecause obviously they have to be a part of the conversation as well.

59:20SpeakerMarcus, for your information, I was talking with John Page this morning. Oh, nice. He'd be happy to be on Hash Church.

59:28BubblemanYou know, was that you that sent me that message or was that Chimera? Because I got, were you talking to Chimera as well?

59:34SpeakerYes, the three of us were talking. Right on, okay.

59:37BubblemanSo, yeah, Chimera sent me that message as well. That makes me very happy. I would love to hear.

59:41SpeakerHe just needs to pick out a Sunday when he's not too busy with his family.

59:46BubblemanYeah, exactly. That's Sabo's situation as well. He's probably going to make it in the next 15 minutes. He's usually got his kids on Sunday. Tony has also just messaged and said that he's going to be coming in, I guess, in the next 15 minutes to a half hour. And he's also, I think he's coming in from the Emerald Room, something like that, that he said he was going to be doing.

1:00:09BubblemanSo he should be an interesting afternoon here in Hash Church. I'll tell you one thing, Anthony. Tony sure was stoked on that CBD crystal with the terpenes. He was having the most incredible, you know, people were really reactive to that. Unfortunately, the CBD and the banking didn't work out, and that's why Blue River ended up not selling any products there for a couple of weeks. But they're back up now, BlueRiverExtracts.com, down for the American customer base.

1:00:43BubblemanYou can check them out.

1:00:46Skunk ManAnthony, let's talk about distillation for a second, if you could. Mark has seen and shown the...

1:00:55Skunk ManShort Path from Root Sciences. It's really cool. It costs a whole lot of money. You could put together an apparatus from cheap glassware for a few thousand bucks, get a good vacuum pump. Before you know it, you could be making pretty decent distillate. What advice do you give to people? I mean, it's a very popular... What advice do you give to people who are just starting out?

1:01:21Skunk ManShould they just go and order glassware from the internet? What kind of tech do you like on Shortpath?

1:01:27AnthonySo I like the SPD setups, like the tabletop setups. You know, the white film units, they can be good, but you have to make sure that your starting oil is very consistent. So we actually used to have a KDL6 from Chemtech, which is like a six-inch boat, kind of like that, pretty much the same white film unit. And yeah, we were running some... We were running some super crude, like 15 to 20% CBD ethanol extracted CBD oil.

1:01:56AnthonyAnd so the guys from Chemtech, like Eric and John or whatever else the other guy's name is, they spent three days with us trying to get it to spit out the oil we were looking for and they couldn't do it. And we ended up getting like a full refund, sending the thing back. And now we run a Lab Society five liter tabletop unit and a two liter right next to it.

1:02:19AnthonyAnd it works great. We can do some pretty good output. And it's very easy to scale. We just multiply.

1:02:26Skunk ManAre you running a continuous process? Like you're continuously feeding the distillation pot?

1:02:33AnthonySo, you know, where our production is at currently, so we produce anywhere from 30 to 50 kilos of isolate a month, and with that output, we can keep up with our current distillation units. So, you know, upon scaling up our output, we'll scale up our distillation, which would be as easy as purchasing, you know, another 5 liter or, you know, one potential thought I had too was stringing a couple of the white film units together, so you can get kind of twice past distillate at the same output as a single distillate.

1:03:00SpeakerSo you're producing it by batches, not by continuous production? It sounds like it, yes.

1:03:07AnthonyWell, there's different farmers we work with, so we have to keep our batches, you know, separate based on the client we're working with. So, you know, at the same time, we're running, you know, a couple hundred pounds from one farmer, a couple hundred pounds from another farmer, and, you know, you know. 10 kilos of distillate from this other farmer. So it's all, you know, it's all broken up and all different processes going on.

1:03:27SpeakerWhat I'm specifically saying is you're not doing a continue. Let's say you had a thousand pounds of identical cannabis. You would break it up into batches, not run it continuously and keep feeding the cannabis.

1:03:41AnthonyYes, so, you know, our five liter, we can put 2,500 or 2.5 kilos of raw extract in at a time, and the two liter, you know, is about a kilo at a time, so we can do that, you know, twice a day if need be on each unit, and, you know, we can easily keep up with, you know, our current output.

1:04:00SpeakerAnthony, I... I don't want to come off as a sales thing here, but... Oh, dude, trust me, you guys are getting hooked up for sure, Indra. Okay, well, I thought you might be happier with a 20-pound unit that cycles every two hours instead. And what's your output on that unit? Whatever, you put 20 pounds in, whatever the... Thank you for joining us.

1:04:52SpeakerInteresting.

1:04:53BubblemanYeah, I've talked to Anthony a little bit about trying to get you guys on the phone together because I think you guys will have some good ways of facilitating each other's processes.

1:05:07SpeakerWell, see, the kind of thing you've got set up there, you really need something that can keep that supplied. And you can cycle this every two hours, 24, 7, 365. Is it the VTA?

1:05:24AnthonyThe Root Sciences VTA unit, is that what we're talking about here?

1:05:29BubblemanNo, Indra released the BHO method. He's my friend that has the giant gas extractor that I've been talking to you about for like six months. Gotcha. Yeah, that's Indra. So Anthony Indra, Indra Anthony.

1:05:45AnthonyNice to finally put a face to a name.

1:05:48BubblemanYeah, that's what I'm saying, dude. I've known the guy 15 years, and I just saw his face for the first time today.

1:05:53Skunk ManYeah, we thought he looked like a pile of hash.

1:05:56BubblemanYeah, he was always just like a cool hash picture or something.

1:06:00Skunk ManA cool pile of hash or a drawing of George Harrison.

1:06:03BubblemanIn fact, I've almost forgotten what Sam looks like, and in my own mind, I constantly see that doll.

1:06:10SpeakerSam looks like an uglier version of me.

1:06:15BubblemanYeah, you guys could be brothers. My wife told me I'm a handsome version of you. That's her perspective. I'm going to guess Annie would have the same perspective on the other side of the spectrum.

1:06:28SpeakerNo, that just points out how much she really loves you to life.

1:06:35BubblemanYes. Well, I think it's time to blow some smoke towards the Vatican. This pipe is just sitting here ready to go again. Why not? Boy, you threatening us with a bomb rep? I'm threatening you with some sort of a something. What do you think about them apples, you fucking boss?

1:06:52SpeakerI'm fine. Fine. Bomb rep. Hey, Ken. By the way, while you're there, if you want to see something that they don't show tourists, my wife's there right now. She'll be there for a little while longer. She lives there for A good part of each year, that's how we maintain our relationship. But anyway, we'd be happy to show you some of the lesser known but fun things there.

1:07:26SpeakerWhere are you talking about?

1:07:30BubblemanIn the South Pacific somewhere, no? Hawaii. Hawaii. Beautiful. I love that it's just, you know, Etienne, you honestly could be on my deck right now. That's what's trippy.

1:07:44AnthonyUh, someday that will happen, actually. Yeah, it was when Ryan was down here.

1:07:49SpeakerHe was saying I need to come up and, uh, yeah, I have no restrictions, so I'd love to come up and actually hang on your back sometime.

1:07:56BubblemanYeah, look at that.

1:07:57SpeakerGet up here. You gotta come visit us.

1:08:00BubblemanThat's what's going on right now here in British Columbia. That's snow, right? Oh, that is definitely snow.

1:08:07SpeakerYeah, I got some snow going on over here, too.

1:08:09BubblemanGuys, guys, uh... There's our snow.

1:08:13SpeakerI went over to Prince George yesterday and for at least 600 kilometers of it was blizzard. It was crazy, crazy.

1:08:24BubblemanDude, it was like you left and an hour later I saw on the news two people like perished in a car accident on the highway number one near Kamloops. I was like, Jesus.

1:08:35SpeakerYeah, it was unbelievable. And I got this much snow on my truck right now. I got here at like 10.30 or 11 o'clock last night. How much do you have?

1:08:51BubblemanI got this much, man. Yeah, I know you don't.

1:08:53SpeakerI know you don't.

1:08:55BubblemanYeah, I do.

1:08:55SpeakerYeah, I do. No. I know. I live in the north, man. It was 20, 30 below here for the whole time I was gone, and then it just dropped down to now it's minus 7 and shit, so it's warmed up. It's nice.

1:09:13AnthonyMinus 7. Hey, guys, there's a couple of shout-outs I want to make, if that's all right. First off, I want to shout out a brand new extract company here in Denver. Here's their logo. They're called Harmony Extracts. And they control, so they have their own in-house grow. So they're controlling everything, you know, from grow to extract. And they're producing this amazing, you know, full spectrum extract, which is, you know, these are just giant TACA crystals floating in the sauce.

1:09:42AnthonyIs this Josh Serlin?

1:09:44Skunk ManAnthony, is this Josh Serlin?

1:09:47AnthonyNo, so it's, let's see, it's, if you go on Instagram, it's Lee Brown, 94, and Doc Johnson, he's the ex-extractor of Mahatma here in Denver, and they all, all these guys who really are very experienced came together, and now they're, you know, really producing what they feel is the top, top quality product possible, so I want to shout them out first.

1:10:12AnthonyAlso, guys, if you've never smoked the large CBD crystals, check out CBDfromColorado.com and try out some real Colorado-grown CBD that tests clean and there's no pesticides, heavy metals, residuals. I think everyone needs to try it at least once.

1:10:33BubblemanThat was Sabo that just came in and we're going to have a little discussion about the Canna Athletes project that he's been working on and probably discuss some of his vapex hail things as well. But I know you train, do you not Anthony, do some MMA fighting or something?

1:10:49AnthonyYeah, so I train over in Broomfield at Love Wigs Muay Thai, and, you know, the fighters like TJ Dillashaw and Dwayne Love Wigs, the coach, Joe Benavidez, Tim Elliott, Matt Brown come through there, and so, you know, we train with a pretty high level of athletes over there, and surprisingly, many of them actually use CBD before and after their workouts in the form of a tincture. A couple of the athletes have tried out our tinctures, and, you know, They swear makes a difference with their recovery and their focus and really they can make a better mind to muscle connection.

1:11:21AnthonyA lot of the athletes are starting to really use it especially for recovery too because when you're getting hit in the head all those times, CBD can really help with inflammation and especially in your brain. I believe there's going to be some uses for CBD with the post-concussion and the CTE issue in America too. I think CBD can maybe be a solution for that as well. Anthony, everything, everything, everything happens in the brain.

1:11:53AnthonyThat's why, you know, you can reduce the swelling even from, you know, just every time you're rattled and you get punched in the head, I mean, it's, you know, it might be very minuscule, but that bruise on your head that creates like a little egg on your head, you know, that's swelling, you know, it's...

1:12:11BubblemanYeah, that was my timer. That was my interval timer saying, clean the courts. Clean the courts.

1:12:21SpeakerDamn, dude. That was frightening. Thanks.

1:12:24BubblemanLong rip. Long rip. That was frightening. Thanks. NTSC Pacific Islands. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's always good to just, you know, trigger your good friend's PTSD. It's always appreciated, I'm sure. I apologize, ATN. Absolutely. I'm sure ATN is no stranger to how all of the different cannabinoids and all of their different forms have offered him different helps with that. Can't even imagine. I mean, I can in a sense because I had a mild version of it.

1:13:03BubblemanObviously getting shot at and having all of the war things occur, I can't imagine. But I have been brutalized and arrested by police and handcuffed and thrown in a cage and then been taken away from my loved ones and that sort of felt like... A little bit like it makes you paranoid, right? It makes you like when you drive in your car a couple of weeks later, you're a little bit like, oh, shit, was that a policeman?

1:13:26BubblemanYou don't realize they can just take you away until it happens, and then you're like, damn. Then it happens a lot, and you're like, ah, it's not a big deal. But it's sure kind of freaky that first time.

1:13:37SpeakerTry it for 31 months. Oh, dude. I hung out with Tom for 31 months. And by the end of that, even though I never drank all my life, I was thinking about starting to taking up drinking. Holy shit. Everybody else was drunk as drunk could be. And I thought, I'm one of the only people on the entire base who's not drunk. I was stoned. Well, good for you.

1:14:05SpeakerWell, that's the thing. It's the alcohol. I was, unfortunately, the opposite right after because, yeah, alcohol is absolutely accessible everywhere. When I outsourced at Fort Campbell, you know, you've got the plastic store. You've got, you know, it's non-taxable. And, of course, what's the first thing you write off base? Bars, strip clubs, you know. So alcohol is everywhere, but there was no cannabis, unfortunately. I had to go find that myself.

1:14:34SpeakerNice background.

1:14:38SpeakerI love it.

1:14:43SpeakerYeah, well, when I first got to Vietnam, I was trying, after I had a couple of joints with various people, I decided to go buy some and I went down to the local village, which was Coochie, a dark place at best. And I was walking around and I had an English-Vietnamese dictionary. And I was trying to figure out how to say marijuana in Vietnamese and all I could come up with was Dinky Dao Tukla and Dinky Dao is crazy and Tukla is smoke.

1:15:14SpeakerSo I was wandering all around the village asking for this crazy smoke and nobody, everybody was like shining me on. So finally I was walking back to the base and here came this six year old kid and he says, hey GI. And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, you want to buy some pot? He pulls open his little red underwear and pulls out a bag of buds.

1:15:37SpeakerAnd I said, yeah. So I gave him five bucks for him. I went back on base and I was congratulating myself. I was sitting in the cook's tent because that's where they stuck people who had odd jobs. And I was showing it to this guy and he said, you did what? You paid $5 for that? And apparently I got taken because it was 25 cents worth. But yeah, Vietnam had me.

1:16:05BubblemanHey, you know what? That's fine. I bet you were happy with paying that $5.

1:16:11SpeakerIt was right after that that I met the guy who arranged the milk run to Thailand to get the Thai stick, and so we would always go to Thailand every chance we got and load up on Thai sticks and bring them back.

1:16:25AnthonyAndrew, thank you for your service. It means a lot.

1:16:29SpeakerOh, you're welcome. It was a scary situation. I got shot, but I survived, and I'm still alive, and I'm 70, so... And Indra, would you suggest other people join the service? Well, listen, if I didn't know what was going to happen, I would have been a Canadian, you know, because I would be right next to Mark on the bench right now because I would have left. And the same question to Ed Chan, would you suggest people join the service?

1:17:02SpeakerI've always struggled with that one because I would not be the person I am or know any of you if I had not had that experience and gone through it. I have no idea what I would be doing, but at the same time, without having to challenge the system itself and then finding my medicine and finding like-minded peers. I struggled with that and I've talked to my own relatives and said, you know, it's your choice.

1:17:26SpeakerFor me, it's a very tough year still between 18 to 21 in America. It's very tempting to just look at four years and go, well, it's only four years of experience. Even myself, I joined in, you know, 88 thinking there's no way there'll be conventional war because we've got the whole, you know, the wall is just coming down in Russia and There was no anticipation that I would actually be on the front lines, much less participating in combat.

1:17:56SpeakerSo I kind of went in there thinking, eh, I'll just kind of coach through. When it came time to time, I had a situation where I was activated. My unit was. I was given 72 hours.

1:18:12SpeakerAnd the second night of those 72 hours, I had a friend of mine, I was at a bar getting drunk, as you could needless to say, after I said my goodbyes to just about everybody I could in the time that I had. A friend of mine snuck, slid me an envelope, an Inland envelope with a passport and a bunch of Canadian dollars. And as I sat there, I ordered two shots of Jack Daniels.

1:18:41SpeakerI can remember them clearly, and they were the most sobering two shots I ever had in my life. And I realized the opportunity I was given was that I could take off running right now and spend the rest of my life running, or I can live up to... What I signed up to, which is the honor I have, which is to give up to my life, my government.

1:19:07SpeakerNow, I volunteered just like, you know, Indra, but at the same time, without those experiences, without being able to go through that, I don't know who or what I would be. So as hell as it was and as terrible as it was, I'm thankful to have gone through that. And I would hate to see anyone denied their opportunity. However, war is a hell of a lot more dangerous now.

1:19:36SpeakerAnd if anybody ever wants to join, I suggest taking them down and go down to the VA and welcome to the VA. Let them go see these guys who are coming back trying to figure out Which limb they can have prosthetically done first because they've lost three to four limbs because of exactly how destructive today's war is. Not saying that warrants in the past weren't destructive, but the amount of severe life-changing disabilities these kids are coming back with are considerably exponential.

1:20:11SpeakerI'm not even talking about most of that. What I'm really talking about is the fact that The government can put you in a situation where you're helping the world and you're doing a good thing, or they can put you in a situation like Iraq. Yeah, and that's the crapshoot. When you join us, you know, into Kenneth Tass, you're in the system. Todd and I have talked about this.

1:20:35SpeakerIt's kind of like when you're in the jail system. You're in the system. When you're in the system, you're along for the ride. There's no choice. There's no, I wish I was there. I wish I could do the area. You're just sent off to wherever your job is and to your myopic view of the world for wherever your perspective becomes. And that's what it becomes for you.

1:20:55SpeakerWhen you're young, you don't understand all this stuff. And you look at it like a lot of guys that I went with looked at it as an adventure. My dad dropped me off in front of the recruiting station with a $20 bill and a small bag with some of my clothes in it and told me I was a man on my 17th birthday and not to come home again.

1:21:16SpeakerAnd so I went... You should have known it was a trick. Well, I knew it was a trick because... You know, my dad was like, anyway, there was 11 kids and I understood why he was tossing me out. But that's what got me in Vietnam. The US Army took me that very day and I needed a place to sleep. And the YMCA in Anchorage, Alaska was $30 a night and I only had 20.

1:21:40SpeakerSo therefore I ended up in Fort Ord and then the spinal meningitis epidemic came along. So they shipped us to the most God forsaken asshole on the planet, Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. Thank you for watching.

1:22:17SpeakerUh armor vest and bulletproof vest and really solid helmets. We had 1950 Korean Air Force flak jackets in Vietnam and um I demonstrated to myself the second day I was there With a 22 long rifle, I fired a shot right directly through one of those flak jackets. And so I was debating whether or not to wear it because it was hot and heavy. And if a 22 could fire through it, what was going to be the use anyway?

1:22:50SpeakerAnd so, yeah, war was pretty dangerous then too, let me tell you. And Charlie has some very ingenious methods for getting at you. Even if you were kind of innocent, I was a combat field medic and I was busy doing what I thought at the time were good things. But I came to realize afterwards that that was an oil war, like many of the wars are about oil.

1:23:15SpeakerAnd I would have run if I would have known, Sam, because I don't want to fight a rich man's war. A lot of people might be okay with that, and I understand patriotism. Yeah, no, I agree with you, John. I mean, if somebody invaded my home and my homeland where I live, I'd fight them. But I ain't going to go off into some foreign land like Vietnam or Iraq and fight those people because we don't belong there.

1:23:47SpeakerI think a foreign land at this point in time would even be Mexico. I don't want to even go to Mexico to fight a war.

1:23:54BubblemanOh, shit. The only reason I want to go to all these places is to visit their culture, eat the food, hang out with the people, visit the beautiful environment, travel. And smoke the weed. Last time I went to Mexico, I had to fight for a parking.

1:24:08SpeakerYes, absolutely, Mark, and smoke the weed. In front of the pharmacy, I bet. The other farmacia, as they say.

1:24:19BubblemanThe farmacia, right on. You guys are hilarious.

1:24:24SpeakerSo with the new mother in Canada, are they going to allow seed sales or clone sales? How will average Canadians be able to get there?

1:24:34BubblemanIt sounds like it'll all have to go through licensed producers. I mean, I didn't see it exactly. Definitely when they were talking about stores for the task force thing that was for the recreational thing, I believe 100% of the wholesale was to be supplied by LPs. Is that not correct, John?

1:24:50SpeakerYeah, it is. Everything will be supplied through licensed producers. Aurora just announced they have the largest growing facility in the world at 8,000 square feet that they're building for a recreational marijuana market.

1:25:02BubblemanI saw that. Aurora in the Sky, is that what it's called?

1:25:06SpeakerYeah, just huge, like massive, massive.

1:25:10BubblemanI can't wait to check that out. Those guys are going hard. I talked to the guys at Aurora not too long ago. I wanted to have... One of their growers come on when we have the grow episode. I thought it would be good to have a couple of growers from some of the bigger LPs and then of course some well-known growers from California and of course growers from our very own Skunk Man Sam and potentially Mr. Robert Connell Clark will come on.

1:25:36BubblemanI really want to organize this beautiful grow episode in the near future where we spend four hours straight talking about The growing of cannabis. So I'm trying to put that show together, and I know Todd's going to help me out with that. We'll get that happening in the next, hopefully, early in the new year, we'll shoot for. Because I know people want it. For Jones and for that.

1:25:59BubblemanThat's what we look for, to grow.

1:26:03SpeakerOh, someone's dabbing on my... You should invite Adam... From Bio Flavonex Soils on, he's one that supplied me with 15 different samples of 70, 90, and 120 SIFT materials that he created. And they have this soil method where they make the soil alive all the time. And they don't use any chemicals whatsoever. And he's been able to show that chemical plants actually have the chemicals carried across in the gland heads.

1:26:42SpeakerAnd I've been smoking it and that's just devastatingly good. It's like getting a bucket of warm water poured over you. And even just from holding on to it for a little while, it all went transparent. Really, the stuff that you've always been telling me, I finally have some. And still, I admit, I have a new devotee.

1:27:13BubblemanYou just reminded me, I have some full melt dry sift that a friend gifted me, so I'm going to go grab that and have some bowls with you guys because I need some of that right now.

1:27:24SpeakerI can understand. I feel like that all the time. And especially because it supplied me with a pipe. All the other pipes I had were pieces of crap, but one antenna gave me, I can dab on it 25 times a day. God bless you. Go ahead.

1:27:47AnthonyYou guys mostly enjoy bubble hash, or what is everyone's favorite form of extraction here to smoke on?

1:27:55SpeakerDry Sift.

1:27:57AnthonyDry Sift.

1:27:59SpeakerAlways the Sift. That's the best.

1:28:01AnthonyMark, now that you're back.

1:28:04SpeakerThey both, you know, they're both, VHO is one thing. What's the question? Sift is another thing, and I'm the first to say that I like both of them. I definitely dabbed. My own extract and I just bought a huge load of trichromes that went through a 120 screen from a guy and I got a press on the way from China. So I'm very much into the rosin thing.

1:28:35SpeakerJust because I invented BHO doesn't mean my mind is closed to any of the rest of it.

1:28:39AnthonySo that brings me back to my question for Mark here. So it's about rosin. So have you guys seen any of the rosin that's been floating on there on the Instagram that looks like it's like the full spectrum crystals and sauce, like the rosin sauce? Have you guys seen that out there?

1:28:57BubblemanOh yeah, well Tony basically put that on Instagram the first time I ever saw it. He was the one that had access to the beautiful pure terpenes and just terped up a bunch of crystallite and came up with this terp sauce shit.

1:29:10AnthonySo apparently, if you guys go on, the ex-extractor from Proper Extracts claims that, and he has a few pictures on his page, and... She said it's a single pressed out rosin from fresh material and it sauces up and crystallizes and separates. And he plans to get the same consistency of full spectrum extract but with rosin. But I don't think, and there's a lot of people, me being one of them, that question the validity of it because...

1:29:40AnthonyThank you for watching.

1:30:02Bubblemanis like simpler than you you just be like man if people just knew this simple thing they could do this as well it's always like that so I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible but I'm a bit of a doubting Thomas myself I always like to just like so many people in this industry as well want to own something for themselves they want to have this unique aspect of like that's what I did I did that so I mean I'm just uh To answer the earlier question, I would say that any 99.9% head that is at the highest level, whether wet washed or dry sifted, is definitely my favorite.

1:30:41BubblemanThis is dry sift right here from Van City Extracts, shout out to those guys, and this was given to me by Van City MFS, my friend Pete, and this is Barb actually. This particular one, so it smells like fuzzy peaches. You know those candies, the fuzzy peach candies? Smells almost identical to that.

1:31:00AnthonyHave you guys heard of the tech where they're spraying their fresh plant down with liquid nitrogen and then they're packing it into a brick and then having like a giant rosin press, freshly pressed it all out. These get this super terpy, fresh rosin that's supposed to be really, really dank, I guess. I've never tried it personally. Yeah, that's the Baroni.

1:31:20BubblemanThat's the Baroni. They've been doing that for maybe the last, I don't know if it's like six months or something. I think it's Matt Armstrong, Straight Concentrates, and the Clear Dude who's been here on Hash Church. Both of them have been on Hash Church. That is the Baroni that they do with that method.

1:31:38Skunk ManChris Baron himself.

1:31:40BubblemanChris Barone himself, exactly. He's always a funny guy. Come on with his super psychedelic jacket and tell funny stories. The hash coat. So something that always brings me back, like, what's next?

1:31:50AnthonyYou know, like, what's next aside from CA, isolate? I mean, you can, you know, there's other analogs and other crystallites of cannabinoids that could be isolated, but what's the next best thing, guys?

1:32:02SpeakerI'm breeding varieties that have resin heads that are the size of grapes. Oh, yeah.

1:32:10AnthonyWe've heard about that.

1:32:11SpeakerDude, I'm waiting for that for real.

1:32:13AnthonySomeone's trying to do that. Who was it? Someone's trying to like engineer the resin head to be super large.

1:32:21SpeakerSo have you tried this one, Anthony, where you take some fresh, very fresh material, brand new, you cut it right down, and then stick it in a chamber with one of those foggers and even mist it as well and collect it, distill it. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:33:03SpeakerWell, no, I reduce it under vacuum until it's down to a very small amount. And it's very potent. It's terpene rich, of course. And it's an interesting material that you can drop on other oil or other hash or dip into.

1:33:24AnthonyThat sounds great.

1:33:28AnthonyInteresting.

1:33:30BubblemanAll right, well, it's time to have another dab here, 30 seconds away. Shout out to Dabvice on Instagram who hooked me up with this little mothership who, I guess a shout out to Addison too because this is Addison's old piece from, I don't know, I guess maybe less than a month ago it was his. It made its way up to Vancouver and yes, bong rip D420K, I'm pretty much ready when you are.

1:34:01SpeakerEverybody do a bow over it.

1:34:22BubblemanThank you for muting your mic. Whoever's dog was barking. Very good. It's always why we just want to have our mics Muted when we're not talking.

1:34:38SpeakerAnd this is what happens. There's nobody saying anything. Well, enjoy that nice little taste that we just had.

1:34:44BubblemanWell, I just find if I'm talking, there's four people talking over me. But if I stop talking to do something like clean my pipe, it'll just be like a minute pause of nobody talking.

1:34:56SpeakerAwesome. So, Andrew, with that pipe, I find once you heat that pipe up to the, I would just find once the silicon carbide head that's made by a denail, I find that just as the tip of it starts to turn red, it should be about ready. I turn it off, and then I have a 40-second timer. I find 40 seconds, letting it scale back is just about the right time for the perfect flavor change.

1:35:26SpeakerYou've got to try the 10 second one. It's amazing. After Mark gave me the 10 second drive there a couple weeks ago on the big banger, I'm still... Oh yeah, that was with you, Johnny B. That was with me. I remember that. Thanks, Tim. I meant to ask you that. I've been playing around with it, but I shall do that right now. Yeah, I find about 40 seconds sometimes depending on the air temperature before it gets to probably about 35.

1:35:53SpeakerBut the silicon carbide seems to hold its temperature pretty well. You don't have to let it glow red. It will glow red if you just let it go and just use it to do. But yeah, it's a great piece. I hope you enjoy it. That's D-Wreck is the guy who did the sandblasting on that. He's a great artist. Yeah, I called it. See that, Indra? Yeah, every time I walk out in the

1:36:29BubblemanAnd then it had the torch on it, and I said, and Steve Bates did that torch work. He came up with that process. And then I saw the stencil work, and I was like, and for sure that's Derek's stencil work. So I shouted all four of you guys out for the, who got to be a part of that wonderful gift. Super kind gift, by the way, ATN.

1:36:49BubblemanThat's really, really cool of you to kick that down to John. He's so fucking stoked about it. It's nice to see.

1:36:56SpeakerWell, that's the thing about life is you can spread joy and happiness because life is about experiences and sharing experiences. I share experiences with my closest friends all the time and anything I can do because I've always been a believer in let's lift each other up together so we can all enjoy together. There's no need for hierarchies and differences. If we can provide and share it with love and openness, why can't we?

1:37:23SpeakerAnd if not, let's lead by example. If not, we'll be the example. Well, listen, meeting you and Todd and everybody there and Kenny Morrow while we were all sitting around in the grandstands getting completely whacked was the greatest time I'd had in a long time. And I instantly felt connection with you and Todd and everybody that was there. And it was just all around. Last time I'd had since being at the ashram in India, seeing the teacher go by.

1:37:58SpeakerSo I'll compare it to that. It was great meeting you guys. And I definitely want to keep you on my friends list because it was enriching. I can attest and say the same. It was great hanging out with you and Todd and Rob Clark and everybody. It was a nice meeting. I thought it was very funny when people were coming by and saying, I can't, it's hard to imagine you guys without three little boxes around you.

1:38:25SpeakerIt still makes me giggle. But yeah, it was a pleasure and an honor to meet you and thank you. I enjoyed that CBD. It's back home right now and I look forward to it when I get back because you can only carry so much when you travel. Thank you.

1:38:41SpeakerYeah, you guys just all were completely filthy with good vibes.

1:38:47BubblemanFilthy with good vibes. Now that is pretty awesome right there.

1:38:51SpeakerIf I go to the Emerald Cup one of these years, I'll be sure to wear a t-shirt with Sam I Am on it.

1:38:59BubblemanDude, I'm telling you, we should all go to the Emerald Cup next year and get a fucking hash church booth.

1:39:06MrEverybody should go to the Emerald Cup next year. It is the best event for vibe, I think, in the world. And I hope everywhere else catches up to it in the terms of no checkpoints. When you drive out of there, the cops are not harassing you. The presence they have is so cheerful, it's ridiculous. And I can't wait for the rest of the world to have that sense of community when they have an event and not feel like they're criminalized or looked down upon or anything.

1:39:35MrIt's really incredible. It's not just people carrying around bags of weed, but it's amazing to see how generous the whole community is when given the chance.

1:39:44SpeakerAnd Todd, it'll be January 2018 when recreational can be sold in California? Correct. January 1st, 2018, they're looking at official... You know... There is possible discussion of postponing that because of the dauntingness that the legislature fears that we're right now trying to hold their feet to the fire to make sure that it actually goes through for the role of the people who are postponing it.

1:40:11MrBut there's a huge motivation in them organizing it because they need to start collecting tax dollars and technically when this law passed, anybody carrying a California ID card Thank you for joining us.

1:40:48MrThank you for joining us.

1:41:07SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:41:28SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:41:57SpeakerSo they're making up a great deal of money and now the state realizes that 64 actually pulled that or called that. So now they're trying to find another location and we don't know what it's going to look like, if it's going to continue after 2018 where the over-the-counter retail tax is going to be 15% for retail cannabis in California at this time. And what I was looking at, Ed Chen, was what the Emerald Cup will look like when recreational sales are legal and it's completely much more like a beer festival.

1:42:32SpeakerWell, the allowed things that with MRSA, it will allow for daily, it does allow for daily sales, so the medicals will be allowed too. So I would figure that they will lobby for adult sales as well because they will be more probably, right now we saw there's a 215 area, what, there's maybe a 215 in an adult area? No, there's Thank you for watching.

1:43:15SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:43:37SpeakerIf medical will be allowed to sales since MRSA still allows that or retail will restrict it just to the retail areas until we don't have just going to use scenarios. I don't think the booth format for Hatch Church is going to work out at all. Instead of a booth, Hatch Church will need a very large

1:44:00MrNo, just a big lounge. A hash church lounge would be more appropriate. With plugs for emails, please.

1:44:08Skunk ManI want a temple. The round table. They actually sell an inflatable church. We could just blow up the inflatable church. Dude, that's probably the dopest, really.

1:44:18SpeakerSam, as long as we can put a... Sam I.M. has to go at the end of the table door or on the altar or whatever, you know.

1:44:27BubblemanI'm down. I'm there. I'm in.

1:44:32SpeakerI say we get an inflatable church that has a bouncy floor.

1:44:39BubblemanOh, dude. Bouncy floors and motherships don't go well together, let me tell you.

1:44:45SpeakerAren't the floors where the priests live and Control the choirs have bouncy floors under my hair?

1:44:54AnthonySomething's going on.

1:44:54SpeakerIn the Catholic Church, anyway. Somebody asked about collecting the water off the plant, and it was just a simple idea of spraying a fresh plant down while it's very terpene rich, collecting the water, reducing it under vacuum without heat. For a very constant... In the flower industry, in the perfume industry, this is a common thing. It's called a hydrosol. No, no, here it is, people. We need walls made of drying plants all the way around us, all different varieties, so completely surrounding us is nothing but drying plants.

1:45:36SpeakerJohn, did Kenny show you his hydrosol? His cannabis hydrosol? Uh... No, we had about a three-hour talk, so he tracked me down at the Emerald Cup, and he's very energetic, I'm sure you know. Hey, by the way, Sam, I lost his business card, and I need his phone number, so if you can email me, that would be helpful. Okay. Make sure you send me an email requesting it, and I'll do it.

1:46:11SpeakerOkay, I will. Thanks.

1:46:19BubblemanAwkward silence.

1:46:23Skunk ManJohn, I could send it to you right now.

1:46:25SpeakerI guess that's better than a pregnant silence.

1:46:32MrIt was a good time. And you know what? The Emerald Cup really in the medical area is about as free as it will ever get in many respects because there is no inhibition when you walk around and see the various dispensaries, hash makers, hash machine makers, you know, and it's beautiful to see it all. And the Emerald Cup is really a vision of how it's going to be everywhere else.

1:46:59BubblemanBeautiful.

1:47:00SpeakerYeah, it was like a circus. It was fun to walk around and look at all of the stuff.

1:47:09SpeakerLike there was this one guy there selling cement mixers off of... Northern Tools with a funnel attached to one end of it so that it would turn stuff over and then drop it out of the funnel. They were getting big money for some of this stuff. Some of the hash presses were silly expensive. The one that Mark is going with, Sasquatch Press, had a really nice unit there.

1:47:38SpeakerOther units that I saw there were... Unbelievably expensive for what you were getting out of the deal. But anyway, it was fun to see what everybody thought was a good deal. And talk about generosity. I don't know how many dabs I got turned on to that day. At least 100 or more. A couple of times I had to sit down and get a firm grasp on reality with my behind for a little while before I could go on throughout the day.

1:48:09MrWell, you know one thing that The Emerald Cup reminds me is how cannabis gives so freely to those who grow it. And realiztically, with the penalties gone, there's going to be a lot of cannabis. A lot of cannabis. And it's, you know, going to be a good thing.

1:48:27SpeakerAbsolutely. No question about that. I loved the cup. Look, I was out in the line getting ready to go in. And it was... I was really considering going back home and going to it because after two and a half hours in line, I was pretty well spent. And by that time, the people in front of me had asked me what time it was. I told them. And about five minutes later, this guy turns around and says, hey, are you Andrew from Hash Church?

1:49:01SpeakerAnd so a bunch of people around me Kind of gathered up and everybody was asking me questions, wanting to take a picture. And at one point in time, I said, you guys, I don't know if I'm going to make it any further. And a bunch of people just got right behind me and lifted me up and held onto my arms. And one guy leaned over to me and said, look, you've got to go here.

1:49:25SpeakerNobody else goes today. So they all carried me forward and got me in the place. Group helped me out and Thank you so much for joining us.

1:49:58BubblemanYour dry-ass sarcastic humor is, I've learned to love it. I'm not going to lie. It's fucking hilarious.

1:50:05SpeakerIt's ridiculous. That's what's funny is I'm serious.

1:50:09BubblemanI know. That's the best part of all your jokes.

1:50:14SpeakerA lot of the guys who were vendors there were having trouble getting in in the morning because of security. The thing wasn't very well organized because if you had a day pass, You couldn't go back out again to get food. And this is stupid and it sucked. You had to find somebody that was outside of the area to go get you food. You couldn't go back out.

1:50:38SpeakerJust that short distance. So the food guys should be in where the 215 is. Did that take any kind of rocket science to figure out that 215 area and food area should be together? Anybody else got any doubts about that? But somehow they missed that at the Emerald Cup. And a few other things. But anyway, next year, maybe it'll be better.

1:51:00BubblemanYeah, I imagine it's a hard thing to organize all those logistics and I've definitely seen it at Spanibus show myself of just like if they don't have the name written down and it's generally like a compartmentalization problem like it's the people at the door or whatever they just don't know like you'd almost have to have like a managerial person at all of these little spots to make that decision to not send... 30,000 people showed up.

1:51:26BubblemanOh, I know, dude. Well, Spanibus is even more than that, isn't it? I don't even know.

1:51:31SpeakerI mean, it was pretty big.

1:51:32MrSpandibus is huge now. It's huge. It's much bigger.

1:51:35BubblemanIt's got to be 50,000 people.

1:51:38MrAnd I love Spandibus for a different reason. Part of why I like the Emerald Cup the most is it's kind of still a community vibe, whereas Spanibus is more of like a holy shit, you know, big event and a lot of people and big event outside. They've grown so much that they filled up the entire space that used to be the parking lot with booths, and now you have to park somewhere else.

1:52:02BubblemanI know. Hey, not only that, Todd, the booths are like a two to three to four year waiting list to try and get one.

1:52:14MrI love it, though. I love it so much. You know, I had a booth there back in 2009, and it was so different. You know, and to see the swell of enthusiasm in Barcelona has been so fantastic. There's not a cooler city you could visit right now in Europe when it comes to really experiencing cannabis culture, and I highly recommend going to Spannabis.

1:52:37BubblemanI would agree with you, Todd. Yeah, no, I've been going since 2004 to the Spanibus, and it's grown a lot in this 12-year period. It's absolutely incredible, actually. It's over the top. But it's also, like, because it's so big... Which is, I'll welcome Tony into the room because this is partially his story. You heard the story of Tony trying to get into the Emerald Cup and then, you know, just not having the right, oh, sorry, we don't recognize that, you need this or that.

1:53:08BubblemanWell, they sent him walking like two fucking miles away, like you got to go over there. And then he got there and came back. So I've had that happen at Spanibus myself because the building is so big, like walking around it, you know, like all the way around that, that footprint is pretty large. And I'm sure Emerald Cup is probably four of those Spanibus fucking spaces.

1:53:29MrThe Sonoma County Fairgrounds is pretty huge.

1:53:32BubblemanIt looked pretty big. I saw like a drone shot of it. It looked gigantic.

1:53:36MrIt is. And it's really though cozy in a strange way too because it's easy to navigate. Awesome.

1:53:44SpeakerAnd the lines at Cannabis were also a block or two long. Cannabis? Was that one in Switzerland? Unless you were a vendor and had a pass already. You're talking about the one in Switzerland? No, no. The one in Spannabis in Barcelona last year.

1:54:03BubblemanOh, okay. You said Cannabis. I think that one was in Switzerland.

1:54:06SpeakerOh, okay. I meant Spannabis. I used to go to that one. Yeah, the line was incredibly long. But to be honest, I sort of cheated. I looked at the line and I said, Jesus. And I went up to the front of the line and held up my hand and said, anybody want a puff of cash from Sam the Skunk Man? And somebody said yes, and they were next in line.

1:54:30SpeakerSo they got me a ticket too. I paid for it.

1:54:33BubblemanI remember because I walked up with you and there was a huge line and I can't remember who was all with us, but you buggered off right away, right to the front of the line. And some of the people we were with were like, what is he doing? I'm like, well, he's not going to wait in line. He's going to go and get, he'll probably offer to buy like the person a ticket or something.

1:54:53BubblemanBut you came back like minutes later with tickets. You were like, yeah, okay, let's, I got my tickets. I was like, right on.

1:55:00SpeakerThat's right. I got tickets for everybody that didn't have one. I remember now.

1:55:04BubblemanYou did. You did. That was awesome. I can picture it perfectly, in fact. So hopefully we'll be doing that again. We'll get a great place. And I'll put you guys, I'll try to have you guys on the vendor list that I'm on so you can walk in the back door or, even better, be denied at the back door so you look like a fucking idiot and be told that you have to go get in the lineup at the front door because that's always nice when you're a vendor at the Spanibus event.

1:55:30SpeakerWhat do you got there, there? Hey, Sam. Kanji, CBD, Terps. Sam, do you need my address for the Spanish to send to me? Cannabis what?

1:55:43MrJohn, if you want to go to Spannabis, I can get you a ticket into Spannabis. I'm just pulling his thing.

1:55:51SpeakerI told him to come to Spannabis. The problem is getting to Barcelona. Getting into the event is no biggie. You just either stand in line or figure out a way like I did.

1:56:04BubblemanYep, that's the way to do it. Wow, Tony's got a whole car full of people. That's awesome. I thought it was just like a person. And Hedy Glass, too. He's like, fuck it. We're opening up the roof. We're on Hash Church. This is like a Seinfeld episode in the car there, except it's the hash church. Maybe I'll start doing hash church in the car and bring people with me in my fucking... Hey, Todd, you want to do that?

1:56:27BubblemanWe'll drive around with like... Actually, Todd will do it. He knows fucking people. Do it in an RV. That way you can have mobile hash church. Do it in an RV. Well, I was thinking just a nice old car, but Todd's giving me the that's not fucking happening...

1:56:43BubblemanSo we'll just move on.

1:56:46MrWe almost did it in Barcelona trying to get to the museum.

1:56:51SpeakerSo did Tony just do the first dab?

1:56:55BubblemanTony's got a dab bar set up in the car, absolutely. There's his little carb cap, duck carb cap and timer. Very nice, very nice. All the new glass. Excellent. Are we doing dabs? Is that what's happening? Here, it's my newbie.

1:57:11SpeakerI got my sift all loaded up here. Very nice. Are you in the express lane, Tony?

1:57:19BubblemanI don't think so.

1:57:20SpeakerTony's in the on-park lane.

1:57:22BubblemanYeah, exactly. I was going to say it's like Cheech and Chong when they think they're going too fast, but they're not moving.

1:57:30SpeakerYeah, we're not moving. We're just sitting in the back. Whoa, you just got rolled up on, bro.

1:57:39SpeakerWe did. We did get rolled up on. This building doesn't open at the, I'm hanging out with the Emerald Room guys in Melrose. The building doesn't open up until 11 o'clock. I just got another person to join the party.

1:57:54BubblemanOh, nice. Dude, and a dog? And a fucking dog. Oh, shit. Well, welcome, guys. Welcome to Hash Church, Episode 117. Nice.

1:58:05SpeakerThank you. Thanks for having us.

1:58:09BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I'm glad you guys are having a car session. I love that, uh, Bobby with the best. Well, exactly. Exactly. Hitting it hard.

1:58:20SpeakerNot only that, we're crispening this, uh, he just got a new ride, so I said, why not? Let's do a little Cuban dry sift. I just picked some of this up at the Emerald Cup. Uh, The only problem with Cuban's dry sift is there's never enough inside the container. I go through it. I mean, I'll take a gram and I'm like, I feel like I dump out a little bit.

1:58:41SpeakerI press out a little bit. I take a giant hit and then I feel like there should be more there. But there's nothing he can really do about it. I just need to get more of it.

1:58:49BubblemanYou just need to buy more grams. Exactly. I've seen how you take a little bit out of a gram.

1:58:54SpeakerYeah. Well, I got two more grams of his stuff, so. So you got a couple more dabs. Couple more dabs.

1:59:01BubblemanVery well, very well.

1:59:02SpeakerJust trying to explain to my new friends here, like, the significance of dry sift. Here's some.

1:59:11BubblemanHere's some dry sift for you.

1:59:13SpeakerHere, go to him. There's his dry sift pressed out. That's really clear. Really nice, right?

1:59:23BubblemanThat's from Van City Extracts here in Vancouver.

1:59:31SpeakerMost people use parchment paper to prep your house. We're kind of limited. I'm a little old school. I just use my hand and I press it together. It gives you a good feel of the resin heads too. When you press it between your fingers, you can really see the heads. They just smash. I can't believe, is that Indra actually showing his face? Yeah, dude. Wow. Wow. No shit.

2:00:03SpeakerWhen did that happen?

2:00:04BubblemanThat happened today, bro. You got a tiny little hair on your dabber about a quarter of inch up on the first bottom little, yeah. There it is. Keep going. You got it. Oh, yeah.

2:00:17SpeakerOh, these guys don't rip the paper. I'm looking out for you, bro. I'm looking out for you. The test now, Tony, is can you read the newspaper through the dab?

2:00:29SpeakerAh! I don't know about this one. I could do it if I would have pressed it out normally like the way you usually do it on parchment. It's just finger pressed out.

2:00:40BubblemanFinger pressed. I wonder what happened to Dr. Natasha today. I thought she was coming in with one of her friends.

2:00:49SpeakerWe're going to have to put it on pause.

2:00:56BubblemanPut it on pause. Mute it so I don't blast you. Well, I'm thinking the same thing because I'm about to turn this torch on, but every time I want to pause it, I guess I better ask someone, hey, does anyone want to tell a story or talk or say something while I'm heating up my banger? The Megapod? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

2:01:18SpeakerBueller? Bueller?

2:01:22BubblemanOh, really?

2:01:24SpeakerMy goodness, that's amazing. Well, I love talking.

2:01:29MrThat is actually quite funny. I just had to see it draw her out. I just wanted to watch. So, John, are you paying attention to legalization in Canada? And when will this 18 and over thing actually take place?

2:01:43SpeakerI really believe we're probably, well, there's everybody saying 420 in 2017. We'll see how quick they're going to implement the system and I think with what's happening with the cannabis culture, opening up all the stores, on top of that, like you have Canada Clinic, you have some pretty big operational, I'll just say, business guys in Canada that are opening up shops right across Canada. And they're being shut down, they reopen the next day, so they are pushing that system.

2:02:11SpeakerAnd if the government doesn't do something about access, like ASAP, It's just going to turn into a shitstorm, right? So I'm anticipating we're going to see it in the first couple months of 2017 as some kind of assistance that will be implemented.

2:02:27MrThat's so fantastic. That's going to put such pressure on America to have all of Canada with 18 and over cannabis use it.

2:02:36SpeakerI mean, that's going to completely change the game up here. It's opening up a whole new business industry. So as in, And a lot of people are seeing it right now. A lot of business guys from the U.S. are upping Canada, throwing a lot of money around. Everybody's trying to get the money out of the U.S. because of Trump at the same time. And with Canada expanding into a complete legalization market, they're weedifying Canada.

2:02:59SpeakerThat's what they're doing. I mean, we're going to get shops to talk about vapor lodges. They're talking about storefronts. You're talking about everybody on the globe, which is going to turn into what? Hydro-quantum businesses, lighting. Like with me, I use Endomax, these low-wash bulbs. Getting into different type systems. I'm already working on a system that's going to be more geared towards for plants, for an industry that's going to be rapidly growing.

2:03:20SpeakerI mean, where are we going to be able to buy clones and seeds from these licensed producers, plus there's all of the seed banks that are all around the world. I mean, it's just going to open a whole new amazing market. You're going to just start seeing it kind of... Prices will drop. We're going to see a lot more access. We're going to see a lot of people...

2:03:39SpeakerI know we'll see what pans out over the next couple of years, you know, over the next 10 years. Yeah, the opportunity is awesome. Will, what's going to happen with Mark and Jody? Will that help accelerate anything? Will it have any bearing on anything? I know it's completely separate, but one may have an acceleration on the other. I am almost positive that they're reopening stores as we're speaking right now.

2:04:03SpeakerI am close with the whole industry down at Cannabis Culture. I'm there all the time. I'm a co-host with Cannabis Culture News Live on Fridays, so I talked to them. I knew what was happening. I know exactly what they're doing in a sense is they're pushing that envelope right now and they're trying to make it access for, well, for the people that stood behind it to help where we are today, which is the legalization of cannabis.

2:04:25SpeakerThat's just a job just in Canada, but around the world there's a lot of people who have been plugging away and putting their energy and passion to this plant. So, I mean, here we are today looking at a legal country completely in Canada and it's going to happen and Right now, they're trying to open up the storefront saying, well, don't take it away from the people that work so hard instead of putting it in the hand of corporate.

2:04:49SpeakerSo that's what we're seeing right now is entities like Shoppers Drug Marts and London Drugs and stuff like that that are going to be moving into the market. That already have distribution licenses for schedule one and schedule two drugs, which is opium based drugs like methadone and stuff like that. They can go kind of also, it's really easy for them to be able to actually distribute cannabis at the same time.

2:05:11SpeakerSo I kind of see that shift going in that way too, because they want to keep it away from alcohol. That's purely stated, no sale of cannabis and alcohol in the same location. So that's also in the regulations.

2:05:22BubblemanAnd that would have all come from the activists in Canada in their ear. And that's if we can just make it happen like that, like, If the two groups can get together and work together, because that's the way I looked at the task force. It seemed like a pretty good both sides of both groups getting together and both trying to do the same thing, not one working against the other, but both being like, look, we want to do this.

2:05:43BubblemanWe're the Joe Stradies. We don't know enough about this. You guys tell us what you think we should do. And so almost all of the great things in that task force report Came from people like Hillary and the many others that were on that. Do you know some of the names, John, of the people? Was Riel also involved in there?

2:06:08SpeakerYou know what? I don't recall right now. Honestly, I did remember reading it and stuff like that. It made me smile at the same time. Yeah. I mean, they've been paying attention with us since 2012, since they started these regulations and trying to push forward, right? They've been meeting with all of us. Even like yourself, Mark, I mean, I don't think they've paid attention to a lot of what we've been talking about for everybody.

2:06:28SpeakerThey weighed a lot in on what they've seen happen in Canada, and I think they made the right decisions to... I mean, what the government knows is what they feel is fit for the legalization platform that Justin said that he is going to do. So let's hopefully keep our fingers crossed. They go by those guidelines. Are we going to get more plants? I don't think so. We already see mandatory sentencing for six months or more.

2:06:51SpeakerSo that's really just opens up that you just can't have all these big grows. And once everybody starts growing and we have these big places, producers, and it's accessed down the street, I can get full milk hash. That's going to take a long time. But Thank you so much for joining us.

2:07:30SpeakerIt's always the big conglomerates and stuff who are growing all the food for everybody. It'll be the same way. Not very many people in the end will grow that kind of stuff. The connoisseurs, the ones that are looking for exactly what they're looking for and to see how that legal market is still set that they can only go on a certain THC level. The extractions are only made with an oil base.

2:07:53SpeakerThey can only be at a certain percentage. There's a lot of flaws there. And plus there are a lot of extractions. So there'll be no petrochemical extractions. Of course, they got to look at this. I mean, there's still a lot of things they won't be able to access and only the home grower will be able to continue doing that. So I do believe we'll see that corner sewer market where we'll still have that little trading back and forth type deal in that type of community.

2:08:16SpeakerAnd then you're, you know, like everybody else, if they want, they can just go to like a liquor store. They can buy their, I mean, just to the store and get their cannabis, right? So. I'm not going to stop going because I know I just need to do it once in a while and I get exactly what I'm looking for and I don't think anybody's going to be able to produce what I'm looking for.

2:08:34SpeakerWell, one tiny piece of news is my attorneys Under my instructions are inquiring in Canada about using gas extraction because of its safety and efficacy. And we're hoping to ring in for them on a common sense note about safety because our company's been doing it for 12 years now. We've never had any accidents at all. And we don't think there's any need to have an accident if everything's set up properly and done right.

2:09:08SpeakerI think on a commercial scale, John, I think 100%. I think you'll probably be able to access something like that in the near future. I think they're trying to keep it away from the homes and really making it legal in that sense just so they won't see it in the future where the legalization comes into play where they have everybody at home with all these different extractors.

2:09:28SpeakerSo that's more of a bigger picture in my opinion. Yeah, a lot of people make pipe bombs. I don't know if I'd call them expectors or not. Exactly. They make pipe bombs and they're everywhere. I mean, we sell them at our hydroformics store. They make pipe bombs.

2:09:42BubblemanBut it could be considered still a form of art, like the mark they make on the wall after they blow up is like some sort of, you know, new age art.

2:09:52SpeakerWell, no. The big liquor companies make all the wine, but you've got small companies making wine. Sure. All people making wine. Mm hmm. So, I'm not and you can't do it safe because VHO done properly is very safe and a very clean method but in the hands of a fool and especially

2:10:25SpeakerYou need to sit closer to your microphone like you are right now. As you slowly inch away from it, your voice cuts out a little bit. Is it just for me?

2:10:56SpeakerIs that better?

2:10:58BubblemanYeah, I think when you're closer to your mic, it's just better.

2:11:03SpeakerYeah, if I get any closer, I'd have to marry it. You know what I'm saying? Well, I think one thing about Canada is, you know, extractions in the sense of mechanical separation with bags and sifts and screens and stuff like that. Of course, rosin. I mean, that's kind of like, No brainer, that's easy. And there's no laws in that sense stated. You have a plant limit and a plant height.

2:11:28SpeakerThey're talking about access and vapor loggers and stuff like that, storefronts in the near future. We're looking at legal cannabis in Canada, 100%. I address plant heights as a problem on my Google Plus site. I show you how to... Cut a plant in four sections when it's four feet tall. Spread it out. It'll never get over three feet tall, but it'll have a whole bunch of foot-long buds on it.

2:11:57BubblemanYeah, that'll be popular because we're not allowed. That's the one thing that was ridiculous. It was 100 centimeter or 100 and something, like three feet basically.

2:12:06SpeakerIt's three feet. It's what it is. It's 100 centimeters. And the first thing I thought was like, okay, next video will be about lowering your plant, creating a big kind of canopy. In the top of these screens, you can get 25 colas if you really want to off of one plant, a four by four area. It just takes a little bit more work. Well, if you divide the plant in fours with a razor blade after it's four feet tall, spread the four down, coat it with root tone, and put a little soil by it and take care of it until they sprout up.

2:12:38SpeakerYou'll get far more than that. It'll give you 200 or 300 buds. Well, that's what we need to know, John. This is the new ways of growing here in Canada with four plants. Let's give this information to people so they can do that. This is exactly what we've got to do. It's like here, well, you know, there's only solutions. We've got four plants, so we can make 40 tops with that one plant.

2:13:00SpeakerThat's what we're going to do. There's a video on it on my site. Anybody's welcome to go there and look. It shows... And what is exactly that site so we can all hear again, Jim? It's on my Google Plus site for Indra, and there's a video there about what the plants look like, how they grow, and what's going on with them.

2:13:24BubblemanI remember you shared this on Hash Church. We showed the pictures, and you talked about the process.

2:13:29SpeakerAnd that's what I was wondering. I'm going to go find that, because I definitely have to share that shit on it off. Yeah, it looks like a dome because at that point in time it grows as a dome and all the little branches that go up turn into buds. So you don't get any, you're not wasting any space by growing a giant plant. But you do grow a two or three foot long bud on every single one of the uprights.

2:13:54SpeakerAnd marijuana is just like a lot of other plants. If the situation demands, it'll grow these uprights.

2:14:01BubblemanOh, we lost... D420Ks? All right, well, I just wanted to say bong rip. I wanted D420K to say bong rip, but he's gone now, so I'll have to say bong rip, mother lubbers. Boom. Boom shiva.

2:14:19SpeakerI love that tone. You don't have one with a louder noise, do you?

2:14:31SpeakerAbsolutely. And it's more obnoxious. Let me find it.

2:14:40SpeakerWell, I was hoping.

2:14:45BubblemanTry not to let you down, you know. Oh, my gosh.

2:14:47SpeakerThat clementine was tasty.

2:14:54SpeakerBlack banana grease that was pretty freaking eye-closing.

2:15:02BubblemanYummy. All right, well, I'm going to give this banger a clean out here. Let me see what I got here. Tony's showing treats.

2:15:11SpeakerI got this six-star hash that Brian gave Mr. Cookie for my birthday. I found it yesterday and I was like, I'm going to smoke that.

2:15:19BubblemanAh, very nice of Mr. Cookie. And kale. It's just amazing. Jeez, that's almost a month past your birthday now, isn't it?

2:15:31SpeakerIt's past the birthday, but I always have these little treats kicking around.

2:15:35BubblemanTime to use this cleaning solution. Watch this shit froth up.

2:15:38SpeakerOkay, let's check this out. I wonder if that's going to be able to clean my cords properly. That stuff was through a 90U screen.

2:15:56BubblemanCleaned.

2:15:58SpeakerAnother guy was just so at his house the other day and he just put, he did a dab and then went in and he just put a couple drops of water, dipped his thing in water and just washed it out with water and I was like, okay.

2:16:08BubblemanNow wait until you see this stuff, John. It's unbelievable how well it cleans a quartz banger.

2:16:12SpeakerWell, we're going to come over and then probably Monday morning for a little squish maybe.

2:16:19BubblemanLittle Squisheroo. What about a Tuesday morning would be really good? Well, the Tuesday morning would be awesome. That'd be awesome. Get the sasquatch ripping. Got some death bubba sitting there. This thing's literally sitting now on my desk. I have a press on my desk.

2:16:36SpeakerIt's a great place for it.

2:16:37BubblemanRight next to Ham's Gravity Bong.

2:16:44BubblemanYes, one day we'll have to get a Hash Church Gravity Bong session going on there. Oh, Tony got inside. He made it inside.

2:16:51SpeakerI made it inside.

2:16:56SpeakerYes, Lord. I've got some, two of my favorites. Damn.

2:17:14SpeakerSabo with the bling. Citrus sap. These two are my favorites so far. Oh no, the sour pie is the one.

2:17:29SpeakerYummy. Just think how endless it is. I ran it, yeah, exactly. I've got like a hundred samples to go through, but...

2:17:41SpeakerI ran into Jim. I ran into Jim. He was at Emerald Cup. And picked up some of the Sour Pots. How about you? Super fucking grease.

2:17:56SpeakerJust greasy. Nice. And then, yeah, I was doing a little, I've been dipping it in the Tangy Terps. So it's, this was from Emerald. We just kept dipping stuff into the Tangy. The banana and like strawberry banana, anything, anything we had and then it kind of tainted. So I've been using this as like a dip in sauce with the full melt. Still there?

2:18:35BubblemanSorry, I'm muted. I'm muted. I was trying to say you should let those guys know that we could hear their conversation super clearly. And I always let people know that because sometimes they might not know like 10,000 people are going to watch and listen to this. And so they might want, if they're talking about stuff they don't want like people to hear, they might want to do it a couple of rooms over because man, these mics are sensitive.

2:18:59SpeakerHold on. I said, I said, hey, be careful. Around the camera, I was like, because all the government agencies got to watch that church.

2:19:11SpeakerGreat. Yeah, we help educate them. Help them catch up with the times.

2:19:20BubblemanIt's incredible that we, you know, you go from having this technology used against you to try and listen in on your calls and et cetera, et cetera, to like 20 years later using the technology to broadcast all the shit you're talking about with all your friends at all times. It's fucking wild. Like that's pretty crazy when you think of that change.

2:19:45SpeakerYeah, did you guys... Did you guys talk about, you probably did earlier, I missed it, but you obviously talked about the law change about CBD, right?

2:19:53BubblemanYeah, we got Anthony in the room from CenterTech right now. He's been talking to us from Colorado a little bit about CBD. We talked a little bit about that. Not huge, not tons.

2:20:06AnthonyHey Tony, how's it going?

2:20:10AnthonyWhat is up?

2:20:14AnthonyNot much. Just hanging out with you guys.

2:20:19BubblemanChilling on a Sunday afternoon. That's what's up. It's 1130. We've been here for damn near three hours, I guess. Two and a half hours. Let's do it. Chatting away, Indra's showing his face for the first time, puffing out of his pipe that Etienne got him. Etienne's in fucking Hawaii with the fucking Pacific Ocean behind him. And what else? What else? Life is good. Life is good here on Hashtag.

2:20:44BubblemanThat's still 720 people hanging out, watching live. And I just had a lovely breakfast off camera.

2:20:53SpeakerIs it snowing over here? Here too, John.

2:20:56BubblemanYeah, I know you got snow. You're only like an hour away. I'm stuck. I didn't turn my driveway on, so now it's going to take a couple of hours before I have a couple of strips that I can drive down my deadly, steep-ass, ridiculous driveway.

2:21:13SpeakerWell, I'm hoping we get enough snow so I can get the snow blowing out.

2:21:16BubblemanForget about snowblower. I want to get my sled out. I want it to snow nonstop for 24 hours till they can't at all clear the snow off the streets. And then I'm taking my snowmobile and I'm booting around my neighborhood and I'm going to rip the kids up to the highest spot and let them slide down on their sleds. Because we're a mountain village here. We're on a super, super, super steep mountain in this little village.

2:21:40BubblemanAnd to the point where every year, I don't know if it's in Portland or Seattle, they have this like world downhill snow. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:22:14BubblemanI'll just grab the arrow and just kind of go down the road.

2:22:18SpeakerThere you go.

2:22:21SpeakerSounds like emergency brake would change your car into a skateboard immediately, wouldn't it?

2:22:27BubblemanOh, God, yeah, exactly. And without any control whatsoever, you're just sliding.

2:22:32MrCan I ask a question, my Canadian friends? So while you're all talking, I was looking at another website. And Jodi Emery posted that Mark Emery was arrested and charged with opening a bookstore on Sunday, which is illegal, and selling rap music, which is illegal.

2:22:53BubblemanThat was in Ontario though, years and years ago, wasn't it? Yeah, Mark was the one that got like two live crew CD or something to be able to, like all sorts of stupid shit was not allowed in Canada in the 80s. Mark would always fight any injustice. I think it started with magazines and like, you know, rap magazine with like lots of swearing in it or something.

2:23:17BubblemanHe's got a crazy history, man. He leased dump trucks and hired people To take out the garbage during garbage strikes against the threat of bodily harm from garbage men that were not stoked on garbage men scabs coming in and cleaning up the garbage because the garbage was how they were using to get paid more. And Mark's mentality was like, that's not good. You can't leave garbage to pile up in the city in the summertime.

2:23:47BubblemanPeople get sick, got to get rid of this shit. So he's always done some pretty wild shit like that in the sense of just if you tell him he can't do it, he's definitely going to fucking do it. Oh yeah, he's also responsible for people being able to shop on Sunday in Ontario. That's fantastic.

2:24:07MrAn untold story I have never heard before. Thank you.

2:24:12BubblemanYeah, yeah, there's a whole history for sure. I mean there's a couple of documentaries on Mark.

2:24:23SpeakerHe sounds like one of those people infected with that new craziness called common sense.

2:24:28BubblemanYeah, he's basically got common sense and a super loud voice on making sure that you understand What it is the common sense that he's speaking of. So, I mean, man, think about it. The guy just did five years down in, fuck, I think Mississippi was where he did most of it. It was supposed to be in California at Taft, but he ended up in Mississippi, far for Jody to travel.

2:24:52BubblemanAnd he did that for whatever, three or four years. But to get out, to get out, and then within like, man, like within a, A couple of years, he's just like selling weed, like he's just full on, like I appreciate his civil disobedience, I have to say, because A, he's right when he says there's no victims. That's what he's trying to say. People are like, I don't care, it's wrong, got to arrest this guy's dude.

2:25:18BubblemanIt's like, no, but listen, just listen, just for a second. There's no victims. Nobody's, there's nobody, it's, why is it even a crime? Like let this guy. Sell weed. He had hundreds of people in the minus 20 freezing Montreal weather. Hundreds standing in line like way around the building and down the block waiting for it to open the day that it opens. So that tells me that Montreal wants these shops.

2:25:45BubblemanI mean, it's pretty obvious to me. You can check out some of the footage of Mark being arrested. Flash in the peace sign from the back of the cop car. For those of you wondering how many times Mark's been arrested for cannabis, this was his number 35 arrest for cannabis. So, I don't know, dude. Props to you, Mark Emery, from us here at Hash Church. We approve of what you do.

2:26:10BubblemanI mean, I do.

2:26:13MrI approve of what you do.

2:26:15SpeakerYes, 100%.

2:26:17MrI do, too. I was fortunate enough to hand him his Canada's Cultural Award in Amsterdam, and I thought he was very deserving of it.

2:26:25SpeakerYeah, it was nice. We wouldn't have to do civil disobedience if we would stop doing so much civil obedience. That's where I see the problem. Everybody is very obedient to the government, and so much so that now this idea of civil disobedience is surfacing. One of the funnier things about the situation with Mark Emery in jail for five years, well, I don't mean it funny meaning in a bad way, is that Cannabis in the world changed more in that five years than any other time I could think of.

2:27:09BubblemanYeah, exactly. And you know, Adam wrote a song about Mark Emery, and he wrote the lyrics, you know, at first he says something about he took the fingers, all these activists were fingers, and Mark took them and made them into a fist, which was a really cool line. But he also said the line, which I've mentioned multiple times in Hash Church, Uncle Sam has ingested marijuana. In the form of Mark Emery, I think now he's going to start seeing things a little bit differently.

2:27:39BubblemanAnd it really happened fast because the prosecutor that put Mark away was responsible for the Washington propositions to get cannabis allowed there. He really did, like the second he went into prison in the U.S., cannabis changed the most in those years. There's no denying that statement, Sam. It's accurate. So it's kind of trippy and it's kind of prophetic of Adam to have written that song. It's on my channel somewhere.

2:28:09BubblemanI'll post it in the hash church room so you guys can go listen to it. It was actually on one of Mark's birthdays, I believe. I brought Adam to see Jodi down at the store and he performed it for her. I recorded it and then I guess somehow they were going to, you know, he was going to be able to see it while he was in jail.

2:28:28BubblemanSo always try to do nice things for your friends when they're going through hardships of, you know, having a loved one be away in prison. You know, it's just a nice thing to do to help people, write the letters. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:02BubblemanThank you for joining us.

2:29:21SpeakerYeah, I did. He's always been in the industry. Who's that? Who's that?

2:29:27BubblemanWell, Adam is, I introduced Adam to that whole scene, actually. I've known Adam a lot longer than he's been around in that industry. I know him from living at my friend's house here in the village, and he used to teach me guitar, and we'd go skateboarding together, and just an all-around fucking awesome dude that I've probably known maybe Maybe 15 years now, I would say. Not in that scene, but in sort of this different paralleled scene.

2:29:51BubblemanBut the last party they threw for Mark Emery that everyone was at, I brought Adam to that party. And so that's where he really got this emotional feeling of like meeting everyone for the first time. Realizing Mark was about to go away because he came in right as Mark was being extradited to the US and that's why he wrote the song and then literally after that he became a huge part of organizing the 420s and Really, you know, a key kind of guy down there making things better through his music.

2:30:21BubblemanHe's an incredibly talented musician. I'm always blown away that the guy, you know, so many talented musicians out there that just can entertain you on a level that you feel like, wow, that's pretty much comparable to any awesome musician that's entertaining me. Like, that's world class quality. But he's never achieved that sort of notoriety or fame, so I do wish it for him one day because he's well deserving.

2:30:46BubblemanWhen he taught me guitar, I'll never forget him telling me, because I was hopeless. I could literally play a chord, and when I finally got this chord, I was so happy, and he saw that I was happy, and he said, you know, man, why don't you just jam the fuck out of that E? Just jam it, bro. Don't even try to learn another chord right away. Just jam that E, and I'll tell you, it sounded ridiculous at the time, but It inspired me to learn guitar and get better at it just through that one simple, like not, not, you know, because sometimes especially being taught by someone that's so good at something, you could feel a little insecure about it, but not with Adam.

2:31:23BubblemanSo shout out to Adam. Shout out to Bonner for Adam. Shout out to Bong Rick for Adam. I have one here on my dabber that sometimes people call a screwdriver. Why is Bubble Man dabbing with a screwdriver?

2:31:36SpeakerI assure you it's not. Oh, Tony's got his timer. I honestly think the government is afraid to put Mark in prison for another five years. If you look what happened in the five years he was in, marijuana all became illegal. I mean legal. And if they put him in for another five years, they're going to make it not only legal but mandatory.

2:31:58BubblemanYeah, totally. I hear you, dude. It's fucking madness. All right. My dog's barking now. What am I, like the third person to have their dog bark today on Hash Church?

2:32:12SpeakerI do know Kurt Tussauds was in Montreal. I guess everybody kind of flew up there. They expected something was going to happen, so there was a team out there. Like you said, so they were prepared for it.

2:32:25BubblemanThey didn't open up right away the way they did in Ontario though, did they?

2:32:30SpeakerNo, they just, they knew, they just kind of went poof. I hope they open it up again.

2:32:38BubblemanI really do. I hope they open it up again because one of the things about Ontario that impressed me was the cannabis culture places. Now, once again, it didn't impress me that they got busted. It's the latter part of them opening, reopening, literally a day later. Anytime it happened, Mark or Jody or Mark and Jody would jump on a plane from Vancouver, fly to Ontario, and be there at the next day opening it up and selling herb again themselves.

2:33:02BubblemanAnd I thought, you know, they definitely are some front-line... Peace. Like they are right at the front line all the time. You got to give that up to both Jody and Mark. They're definitely... They're pushing it for cannabis. They're pushing it for a bunch of people that don't even recognize it and are often, you know, it's easier sometimes to just be the negative and to try and fight them and, you know, attack them in social media.

2:33:26BubblemanI see people doing all the time and it's like, look, you know, they're just helping remove a ridiculous law. They're showing how ridiculous it is. Don't get caught up in being offended how they're going about doing it because then you're missing the point.

2:33:40SpeakerWho's the first one in Vancouver to actually sell cannabis for medical, recreational, spiritual, whatever? What was...

2:33:52BubblemanOkay, well, my history only goes back so far. My history goes back to about 1990, 1991. So I would say one of the first places would definitely have been Uh, Arthrology, which was one of them, which was this kind of biker dude. I believed Norm was his name. He ran that. I think it David Malmo Levine was somehow connected to that as well. Then David Malmo Levine had something called...

2:34:22BubblemanOh, what was, maybe it was, was his arthrology? I can't remember. It's like, David Malmo Levine was definitely one of the first people to be practicing the civil disobedience because when I was coming in the early 90s, he was rocking these things. Hillary was definitely inspired minorly by it for sure. She had to have been affected by it because he just had, it wasn't medical necessarily. He was just opening up and he believed people should have access to cannabis and was selling cannabis.

2:34:48BubblemanHe has a place now called Stressed and Depressed Cannabis. That sells cannabis, I believe mostly medicinally now. But David has always been involved. Now the first Compassion Club that actually did it like a little more in your face, a little more like talking to news cameras, a little more like unbelievable, was Hillary Black in the BC Compassion Club. And that was, of course... Can you see this one?

2:35:11BubblemanThis is from David. Yeah. And so which one's that? Harm. That's it. The Harm Reduction Club. I was also a member of the Harm Reduction Club. So that was the one. So arthrology was norm. Arthrology was crazy. Okay. Imagine this in the 90s, you guys, in Vancouver on Broadway. No. Oh, I can't remember the name of the street. I'll figure it out. It's less important. Maybe Main Street.

2:35:34BubblemanIt had a card that took your picture, and there was like, you basically walked into this little room, one door, and you were in an enclosed space. You walked up to a little biometric camera that looked at you. It wasn't biometric, but it looked at your face, and then you put your card up against a bar reader, And then the face of yours from the card comes up and compares it to the face of yours at the door.

2:35:58BubblemanAnd this big, heavy, like, fucking safe door opens. This was like the biker in this guy, I suspect. It was kind of a cool, wild experience. But then you'd walk in and he just had, this dude was super cool. He was like a super heady puffer dude. He had a little spot that was selling herbs and hashes. You could walk in and buy a few different drinks and treats and stuff.

2:36:18BubblemanAnd he had couches. And this was, you know, Pre-94, I would say. It was probably 92, 93, maybe 94. Maybe I'm wrong and it was like 96, 97. But definitely between David Malmo Levine's Harm Reduction Club, Norm's Arthrology, and Hillary's Compassion Club. That all happened in a very short period of time, like a two to three year period of time. I loved it all.

2:36:44SpeakerI went to David's. I actually went there with my mother. And I looked at everything they had. And I think I bought some just to be a nice guy. But all they had was just mid-range quality ganja, basically. Well, there were houses in 1968 in San Francisco where you could go. And if the doorman liked your looks, they would let you in and you could go. Yeah, Dennis Perrone ran Big Top.

2:37:17SpeakerListen, Dennis Perrone had the best. It was kind of like a dispensary. You'd walk in and there was 10 guys sitting around in a big circle with woks, weed, and a lot of joints. You could sit down and smoke whatever you wanted. Buy whatever you want it and leave by the front door.

2:37:37SpeakerThose were actually good days. That was some very interesting pot around in those days. And some friends in Northern California were growing some pretty amazing pot and making hand hash out of a lot of it. But this is way 30 years before you guys are talking about. But I know everybody thinks it was born in the 90s or the 80s or the 70s. But yeah, we were smoking it in the mid 60s.

2:38:09SpeakerAnd still alive, still smoking. Absolutely.

2:38:15BubblemanStill smoking. Wait, wasn't that the title of a famous Cheech and Chong movie?

2:38:22SpeakerYeah, it could have been somebody else that keeps me of a movie theme.

2:38:31BubblemanYeah.

2:38:31SpeakerHi, Jack.

2:38:34BubblemanDude, we know you're just watching movies and then coming and sharing the movie stories with us.

2:38:40SpeakerYeah, that's it.

2:38:42BubblemanWe'll be like, damn, Andrew was a sociopath. He was lying the entire time. Oh, yeah. That's the ticket. And Bubble Man smokes cigarettes and smokes third rate hash.

2:38:57SpeakerDon't worry. If you smoke enough CBD, you'll come out of your psychotic state.

2:39:03BubblemanAh, the psychotic state. Because you all know that skunk weed actually will put you in a psychotic state. That was printed in the UK newspapers, I'm certain of it.

2:39:12SpeakerIt's genetically engineered to guarantee that 99.9% of the people that smoke 99.9% dry sips will go...

2:39:22SpeakerI think it happened to me yesterday afternoon. I've been that way ever since. Actually, Saturday when I opened up the package from ATN, I got it Friday, but I didn't open it until Saturday because there were so many. We get a lot of mail sometimes.

2:39:44SpeakerI opened it up Saturday and ever since then, I've actually been smoking enough dabs. Brian, you're using the torch, not the electric nail? Yeah, I love the torch. You add a little butane gas to the bottom and it heats itself up. You don't need to hold on to the torch. I've had a couple of electric nails and I burned them out. And I probably wasn't using them right because the first time I've actually enjoyed a dab was with this pipe that I mentioned that Jim sent me.

2:40:18BubblemanYeah, well, that's a unique pipe. You have a torch that is attached to the pipe. You don't have to look for the torch.

2:40:25SpeakerThe electronic nail is actually, if it's a decent one, is a very good solution. I've had mine on for six months. It still works perfectly.

2:40:36BubblemanBut how many pipes have you gone through on that nail?

2:40:40SpeakerJust two. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2:40:45AnthonyHere's the whole thing with the electric nails. If you like smoking fresh quartz, I find it's tough to keep your quartz fresh with the coil around it unless you have your temperature set really dialed in. Even then, half the time you're not dabbing hot enough then. That's my struggle with electric nails.

2:41:03MrWhat I've done with my electric nail is I leave it set at 1,100 degrees and I turn it on. And I let it clean off my bowl really nicely. And then I turn it off and I just watch the temp creep down. And I've been hitting it at 599. And then my hit is between 599 and 500. And it decreases in heat as I'm going down. And I find that I don't cough very much.

2:41:28AnthonySo have you guys ever heard of what's called the free nail? And so pretty much it's a cordless e-nail and so it has a base on your table and so when it's on the base it maintains your heat and you take it off your base and it will start to cool down to like whatever you can have like a timer and still use a timer and then there's like no cords involved.

2:41:48AnthonyI've broken like three or four rigs just because the e-nail cord and that's actually one of the main reasons I switched to those puke and beagle bangers.

2:41:58MrI will say that D-Nail has a really soft cord, and I've never broken a bong using one, but, you know, I could see it being a hazard, but so far, in my experience, with all the ones I have, if you're careful, I mean, you know, I don't know. It goes either way. I mean, you could drop a torch that was on and cause a problem, too. I think it really goes to show that cannabis doesn't really fuck us up so much, you know, because here we are using torches and...

2:42:27MrConstantly on, electronic nails, and we have all these hazards, and we're getting stoned, and we managed to not burn the house down. So, go Cannabrand.

2:42:38SpeakerHell yeah. Fairly enjoyable, though. I've never had... The first dabs I really enjoyed were when Etienne shared his dabber with me at the Emerald Cup. And it was so smooth because there was a lot of people dabbing you out at the cup. But a lot of the dabbers were, some of them were like a little flamethrower into your lungs. And I would have to go sit down for a little while and recover.

2:43:08SpeakerBut the one he had was so smooth and nice in itself and warmed itself up. You didn't need a hand for the torch and a hand for the pipe. And then you got to hold the dab in your mouth and a toothpick and You know, I didn't have enough arms. And so this is, to me, this is the catch. This is the hottest thing since sunburn. The one thing I keep waiting for is a nail where the temperature starts low and then goes higher.

2:43:41SpeakerSo you get not only taste, but all the effect in one hit. I do like what Todd's doing. I've been doing that myself where I've been having it set on high so it cooks off the residue, excessive waxes or whatever's still out there because there's still residue that definitely smokes off. And then by turning it off, it'd be great if somebody could invent one that does that and it has a timer that goes bing within the time frame that you want it to.

2:44:11SpeakerOh, yeah. Exactly. Because I always kind of turn away and then I look back and it's like down to 400 and I've just missed my... Don't you think it would be better to have the temperature slowly rising rather than slowly falling? Well, you can do it in both directions. Right. Let's say I do it both ways.

2:44:31MrYou can turn it back on and it'll shoot back up too.

2:44:34SpeakerRight.

2:44:34MrBut decreasing is smoother on your lungs. I can't do dabs at over 700. I just... The air is too hot. It's just too much. And I think that this is something we should all consider because when we're breathing in hot air, it's not that good for us. Heat is really damaging, obviously. I mean, you know, and We should all be aiming for lower temperatures if we're using smoking or vaporizing as a long-term solution.

2:45:01SpeakerAnd taste and smell is definitely better at lower temperatures. I think it all depends.

2:45:08MrLook how much stuff burns off. This is at 800 degrees. And it's amazing because between 800 and 950, you really see it clear. And none of that stuff do I really want to inhale. What is that?

2:45:25BubblemanIt's all done, guys. I'm sorry to say Hash Church is done, son.

2:45:35MrI think that's the abandoned ship sound.

2:45:38BubblemanYeah, it's the get your courts clean or you're going to be fucked sound.

2:45:43AnthonySo it's actually pretty interesting. I think, you know, it depends on what you're smoking with the temperatures because with CBD, for instance, if you dab the pure crystals, you know, if you dab them at too low of a temp, that kind of menthol cherry taste doesn't really come out. When you dab it at a higher temperature, you know, it really, you know, it fully comes out. It really hits you in the head.

2:46:01AnthonyYou know, so it all depends, you know, what you're dabbing. If you're dabbing a high terpene extract, you definitely want to be lower. I agree there.

2:46:17SpeakerOkay, so I just want to make mention about all the people out there with terpenes and stuff like that. I was just talking with Mark about it and I know a lot of people, they get the terps from Blue River and it gets like five drops and they kind of go through it right away. Well, I've been dabbing this solid for about a month now and I do dabs almost every day and I just kind of put my dabber into it.

2:46:39BubblemanTime out, almost every day?

2:46:42SpeakerYeah, every morning.

2:46:43BubblemanNo, but you said I do dabs almost every day.

2:46:46SpeakerOh, I do dabs every day.

2:46:48BubblemanThank you.

2:46:49SpeakerSorry, sorry about that. And you know what? Like you can just see I just put a little tiny like a little smear it on there. That's all you need. It goes so far. And I just realized how great this cup is for holding my dabric as I do a dab with my espresso. So that was pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, these things, they last forever. You just got to know how to use them properly.

2:47:09SpeakerLike I see people that go through so quick. It's like they stick it in there and it soaks it all up.

2:47:13BubblemanWell, we get overzealous. Look, we all did it. I did the same thing when I first started cooking. Terp Dip, and I was dipping sploosh, sploosh, sploosh.

2:47:20SpeakerI know. I was going through it so quick. I was like, I can't afford this. And then one day, I was just like, this is just a smarter way of doing this.

2:47:26BubblemanYou don't want to see my empty Terp Vial drawer. I've seen it. It's not a drawer. It's more of a bin.

2:47:34SpeakerThe honest truth is, less is more. And it is. Just a little tiny bit, the flavor is so amazing.

2:47:43AnthonyAnd then you have stuff like this that's like 40% terpenes and 60% cannabinoids. Now, when do you guys think, like, what is too much terpenes at this point? Because if you dab this at a low enough temperature, it's actually very, very smooth, and it's almost like the effect and the flavor just amplified into an oil.

2:48:04SpeakerThat's the whole thing with more terpene is it's a hotter temperature. Yeah, like Todd was saying, that hotter temperature burns you in a sense. You need a little temp down for the terps. It would damage you.

2:48:14BubblemanYeah, I mean, we were taking pure terp rips, pure terpene profile rips through the vape exhale, and it was so smooth and amazing that it was like there's nothing else that I hit that Thank you so much.

2:48:56BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:49:19BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today.

2:49:47BubblemanDefinitely enjoyable hitting the pure terpenes every once in a while through the right method. And that's also at about like, I don't know, like 400, what was it, 400, Tony?

2:49:58SpeakerIf you put them on a nail, you definitely want lower temperatures than you would use for trying to whack THC.

2:50:05BubblemanOh, 100%. And even those lower temperatures I found were still a little bit like harsh compared to that same lower temperature on the vapex hail. Compared to like any of the surfaces because I hit it off sapphire, quartz, silicone carbide.

2:50:19SpeakerI agree. That's a pretty tasty device. So now if you squish up the dry sift and you dab it with the sour diesel turps, wow, no coughing, no nothing. The flavor, a little kind of dab is truly, well, I guess that would be my best hit. It's the sift with the turps kind of on there. I think that's my number one.

2:50:41AnthonySo you guys, is there a good portable dabbing solution you guys recommend? I recently tried out the Puffco with the full ceramic bowl and, you know, it worked pretty good. I could see it being good for like terpenes like Mark was saying, but, you know, I don't know. I haven't really experienced a good full dab and a portable experience. What about one of these?

2:51:06AnthonyWell, I mean, you know, like a pen style. It's portable.

2:51:10BubblemanBut this is just as portable as a pen. I got a tiny little case for it. I take it everywhere I would take a pen. I can put the case. The case is a very small Pelican case. It goes in even a small backpack. So you can take it snowboarding? I absolutely have taken bigger ones than this snowboarding. I've taken like... I've taken this snowboarding, bro. In the backcountry, snowmobiling and snowboarding, I've taken this.

2:51:36BubblemanNo kidding.

2:51:37AnthonyWell, I guess I'm going to step up my pelican game. Here's the catch. Yeah, dude.

2:51:43SpeakerThere's the dapper. Got the drop down.

2:51:46AnthonyGot the vent to the slot.

2:51:47SpeakerGot everything in here. Got the dapper. Got the hash. Got everything up your hash. Good to go. The one that I think is nice about the Dabinator is it can work off a 12 volt.

2:52:03BubblemanThat's huge for sure for me. I can charge it with a little battery. I can plug it in in Europe. I can plug it in in North America and it doesn't fizzle out. So the Dabinator definitely has to be represented for that. You know, my D-nail is always on. My D-nail is plugged in right now. And I usually have a Dabinator plugged in as well, so those two are almost always on.

2:52:24BubblemanHowever, now that I have the ability to clean the quartz the way I want to clean it, I'm really, really, really, really, really enjoying this combination of the carb. The carb cap on the honey bucket with the mega pot from Mothership. These tastes are as tasty of a rip that you can take. You can control the temperature completely because you're just allowing the quartz to cool down more or less, and they are incredible.

2:52:53SpeakerWell, look, this is an early version of a vaporizer. This is a vaporizer from way back when. You can see there's a carved lid on the top of it. It folds up into a box and it looks like a little suitcase. But we were vaporizing with these a long time ago. And so vaporization isn't nothing new. It's just the most recent stuff is smaller than a two foot by one foot box.

2:53:23SpeakerWas this device sold, John? Yeah, it was. It was sold widely. What was the name? It was called a Vapuca.

2:53:34BubblemanOh, the vape hookah. That's the thing you showed me in a picture.

2:53:38SpeakerYeah. You can see the flying eye.

2:53:41BubblemanIt's kind of like a Vapor Brothers style. I mean, just the style of like the way the glass tube goes into the box heater, not in the sense that you have this incredible carved dragon and all these other wood components.

2:53:52SpeakerWhat year was that first sold? Sometime in the late 60s, but the guy sold it forever. I mean, when I ran into him, he was about to... I still happen to have three or four of them left over. But yeah.

2:54:33SpeakerI don't know if he's making them anymore. He was making them for years, though. But I'll tell you what, it provides the most amazing flavor of any vaporization device I've had yet today. It's just a little bit more of a pain in the ass to use it. But otherwise, yeah, I love it.

2:55:00SpeakerMaybe sometime we'll give one away on Hash Church, huh, Mark?

2:55:05BubblemanYeah, absolutely. For sure. That's a nice idea. That's a very nice idea. I've got to figure something out for Hash Church next week because I really haven't figured it out yet. I know. It's throwing me off. I don't want to miss a Hash Church by any means, but I definitely have to figure something out in regards to getting that done. I don't know. I don't know. It'll come to me.

2:55:26SpeakerYou just gave me an idea on Hash Church since a lot of us are all kind of talking to stuff like that. I'll link Give away a box set of something that I have and stuff like that. One of the viewers is having Christmas cash church. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, well, there you go. What we could do is record it the day before and just pretend like it's Sunday.

2:55:50SpeakerHey, let's do that so we don't get to get a Saturday.

2:55:57BubblemanYes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Tony's ripping the new piece. Cheers to new pieces, bro. Ching.

2:56:10SpeakerYeah, this is a shout out to Rhino and the Rhino Maca collab.

2:56:19BubblemanProper. I like the carb cap.

2:56:23SpeakerYeah, the little duck?

2:56:24BubblemanYeah, you need a like double XL quartz banger, though. It's called the quack cap. The quack cap. I like it.

2:56:33SpeakerYeah, I don't know. I really like the smaller one, to be honest with you. I have a big, huge one as well. Yeah. But this little tiny one's been really nice. I don't know.

2:56:45SpeakerSmooth. So I just explained to the guys in the background, probably the last hundred episodes of Past Church, I just explained the difference between actually hash and oil in great detail from non-solvent and solvent worlds.

2:57:05BubblemanVery interesting. Yeah, it's definitely something less and less people are seeing. I see a lot of people call oil hash and I'm always kind of like, oh, you know, I think it's oil. It's not bad that it's oil, just it's not hash.

2:57:16AnthonyAnd they're like, what do you mean it's not hash?

2:57:18BubblemanAnd I'm like, well, it's just, I don't know, like I'm not the one. I'm just like going, you know, check out the book Heshy. She's got some good information in there. There's differences between oil and hash.

2:57:31MrJust this. But those are multiple definitions and in slang we start using things, you know, like a chronic condition becomes bud because somebody starts calling chronic weed and, you know, it becomes a sub-definition. And I totally feel that there is, number one, you know, the way that it started, but Yeah, you know, now you look at everything as an, you know, it's an easy way to describe something.

2:57:57MrIf somebody's saying, is that BHO or blah, blah, blah, you say, it's hashish. And they go, oh, and then, and I get it.

2:58:04BubblemanAnd you know what, so. And I get why oil wants to be hashish, but it's not. Just from my perspective.

2:58:13MrAnd I feel you, but now we know that all hashish was kind of in search of that oil in that head of that trichome.

2:58:20BubblemanOh yeah, I mean really the rosin really sort of like... For me, the rosin showed it for me in the most intense way because when it first came around and I started smoking it and I had the full melt in the rosin and I smoked a lot of the rosin. There was a while there I went for... I don't know how long it was, but it was a chunk.

2:58:38BubblemanIt was maybe a couple of weeks straight where I just smoked rosin. And when I went back and smoked the hash, I really felt like this thing, like this old friend I had been missing, that I didn't realize I was missing. Because I thought I had been with that friend for the last two weeks, but I had not. It was quite different. There's something going on in hash that is just, it doesn't go on in my rosin.

2:59:06MrIt wanted to be dabbed, I don't know what to say, you know.

2:59:09BubblemanIt wants to be dabbed. You could not deny it.

2:59:12SpeakerWell, that's where there's hash oil.

2:59:15BubblemanWell, that's it, yeah, and I mean, I'll never forget the first time I saw hash oil. It was from Nepal, where they, you know, definitely not, it was actually one of the first times I ever met Rob Clark. I had Nepali hash oil, and Hillary Black brought him over to my house. This has to be like in 1994.

2:59:35BubblemanSix, maybe? And yeah, just I had this Nepali hash oil and I remember him being like, oh God, if you knew how they made this, you wouldn't smoke it, but let's just smoke it. Let's just smoke it, he says. So we smoked a little bit of the Nepali hash oil together.

2:59:54SpeakerMy hash oil is some of this Citrus Sap Full Melt dipped in some canned syrup.

3:00:00BubblemanBeautiful. That's what I'm talking about.

3:00:06BubblemanI got some beautiful hash oil the other day from the West Coast Concentrate guys. Beautiful. Two big, lovely, golden slabs of MK Ultra. Golden delicious. I'll be photographing it for sure.

3:00:24AnthonyWould you call this hash or oil?

3:00:28AnthonyOr crystal? Crystal.

3:00:32BubblemanWell, how was it made? Are the heads intact?

3:00:36AnthonyJust butane though, just recrystallized THCA, single solvent.

3:00:41BubblemanSo I would just call it like recrystallized single solvent THCA. Hell yeah, that's going to catch. Todd's like we're calling it hashish. Don't listen to Bubble Man.

3:00:56MrNo, no, no. I say call it what it is because I've always say call Waterhash Waterhash and not Solventless or whatever they were saying. It's like just tell me what it is and that'll help me, you know? Yeah.

3:01:08BubblemanSolventless was a much better name for the rosin and I think it's why that hashtag picked up like a hundred times what it was when it was representing Waterhash. Compared to when all of a sudden now people were making this oil with these hot pressure techniques and it became solventless.

3:01:27SpeakerIf that is pure THC-A crystals and it's all in THC-A form and not THC, then if you put it through a screen with the right micron size, it will come out looking just like resin heads, like a pile of sand.

3:01:48BubblemanInteresting. Interesting. The people in Morocco are like.

3:01:54SpeakerNo, they don't want to make cash better. They want to make more cash.

3:02:00BubblemanRight. And they want to make it look like the way, you know, like I'll never forget people being stoked. That it bubbles and I'm like, I think that's like wax or something. Like I don't really think that that's a good type of bubbling right there.

3:02:15SpeakerWhen Rob and I were in Morocco, it must have been 10 years ago, the people were really proud. They showed, well, this resin wasn't as good because they realized that we knew what was good and what wasn't. And they said, but look what we do. And they add like to a kilo or, Thank you for watching.

3:02:52SpeakerAnd then it made it so the hash pressed really good. It was shiny. And the best part was if you took a little piece of it and lit the corner, it would keep a play like really good hash. Jesus. Yeah, when I was in Switzerland, these guys had a bunch of trichromes they wanted us to clean up that were covered in mouth fist. Not only did we clean them up, but when we pressed them, I sent my kid down to the local coin dealer in Zurich.

3:03:28SpeakerHe got about 10 or 12 different Pakistani coins and brought them back. And we would press the bars and the little wax plug in the top of them and then press that coin into it while it was still warm and wrap it up in Pakistani newspapers. And my His friends thought this was just a fucking amazing, hottest thing since Sunburn, and they sold it as Pakistani hat forever, but we made it right there, you know, just simply.

3:03:59SpeakerThat's awesome. In Holland, we call that melange.

3:04:06BubblemanMelange, yes, melange.

3:04:12SpeakerOkay, I'll bite. No, that's just what they call it. People buy all kinds of different kinds of hash and mix it up, press it, do whatever, and try to make a more sellable product. But you cleaned it up and did the same thing. Oh yeah, we just got the mouse piss smell out of it.

3:04:36BubblemanAnd then were you able to take the mouse piss and sell that later on to someone else? Because that would really be the success story.

3:04:43SpeakerNo, because at that time the market really wanted that cat piss smell.

3:04:47BubblemanOh yeah, right. Mouse piss has never been very popular in this particular market. What's going on Mitch?

3:05:01BubblemanLutan Fire the other day writing another awesome song about the endocannabinoid system, I believe, I believe. Last one, of course, that they wrote was the Sweet Trichome produced by Tim Dove there out of Sav Lamar. So you can check those out on YouTube.

3:05:18SpeakerHe's got a video up. Pump it up. Seems like your Jamaica spot would be the ideal place to make red hash. Oh, it is.

3:05:29BubblemanThe reddest hash I've, well, not the reddest hash I've ever seen. I have to admit, the hash I see come out of Spain is also very beautiful and red and very reminiscent of the stuff I've seen and made in Jamaica.

3:05:43MrBut yeah, you get this just red, dark, deep, cherry red color.

3:05:49BubblemanEspecially if you allow it in any way. The one time I thought I would let it dry a little faster and I would put it out in the sun and I would use cardboard as a desiccant to absorb the moisture because it was so humid it would just never dry. And I put that shit out in the sun and I remember going out to get it and see it and it was literally bubbling on the cardboard.

3:06:12BubblemanSo I brought it into the house, put it in an air conditioned room and basically that shit was Completely red. It was so red. I have photos of it, actually. It would probably take me too long to find them, but man, if I can find them, I will share them because to talk about such a thing and not to show the photos is ridiculous.

3:06:33SpeakerThe sun came through it and it was shiny red.

3:06:37BubblemanYeah, you were there. That's right. You were there for that red stuff.

3:06:41SpeakerWell, you know, you make the dry crumbs nice and red and you use the oil. All right. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to try and put it, grab a few pictures. I just have to disconnect a hard drive and then I can plug a hard drive in. So.

3:07:17BubblemanLet's see how that works for us. I have like 10, 2 terabyte hard drives on my computer here. It's a little bit ridiculous.

3:07:26SpeakerYeah, it's kind of lined up. I'm just formatting on it the other day.

3:07:30BubblemanYeah, John was here the other day. He's like, what are all these little boxes? I'm like, those are like multi-terabyte hard drives. He's like, oh, that was awesome. Serious, seriousness. All right, so I hope I can find some of these pictures because I'm telling you. They'll be worth seeing. That was like a while ago now. That's got to be like 11 plus years ago. Hey, Sam?

3:07:54SpeakerIt's like 11-year-old cash now that I've smoked.

3:07:59BubblemanNo, I'm just thinking of the stuff that we produced in Jamaica and where to look for it. There's Shantibaba's Switzerland greenhouses. Those are crazy. Oh, there's some Jamaica. I can't remember. I can't remember. Oh, I just saw a picture of your wife, so I think I'm close.

3:08:22BubblemanI think I'm close.

3:08:23SpeakerYeah, I remember. She made a lot better hash than you did.

3:08:27BubblemanShe does make a lot better hash than I do. It's embarrassing for me. She's killing it. Not even trying. Not even promoting her brand at all. Just slaying the dragon.

3:08:41BubblemanThat's DA Extracts. Coming to you live from Amsterdam.

3:08:50BubblemanWhat now? Where now? God, there's so many pictures of Jamaica to go through. I just want to find these particular ones and share them. Oh, oh, oh. I thought it was close there, guys. I thought it was close. I found it. I found it. All right. So this was a piece of it. If I can...

3:09:13BubblemanGet this screen shared with you guys.

3:09:16SpeakerAll right, give us the background. What is it?

3:09:18BubblemanSo this was some Jamaican hash made by a good friend of mine, the doctor. And this was just some beautiful, beautiful, like it was so melty and so high quality that, you know, we guessed it was probably a good 60 to 70% THC. I stretched it out and it was just... THCA, yeah, well, we quickly puffed it down. Dark hash, but yet golden when shown in the right light.

3:09:51BubblemanI don't have.

3:09:52SpeakerIt must bubble like a little beast.

3:09:55BubblemanOh, it bubbled like a beast. You know, rolled it right back up into a little ball. Anyway, pretty incredible.

3:10:04SpeakerBeautiful.

3:10:05BubblemanYeah, I look forward to finding some nice resin like that the next time I go to Jamaica. I think people are stepping up their game in Jamaica because the government is so close now to releasing licensing to all the different companies that have applied for them and people in the meantime. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:10:40BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:10:59BubblemanSo, chemicals have been sprayed on the plants, you know, then you could probably create some sort of an oil dash distillate dash isolate like, you know, a multitude of the people in the room here could do if they were all on the same team together. I could picture Mark and Indra and Anthony like busting it out. Continual system. Is it a continual system? Can I pour kilos and kilos and kilos through the top?

3:11:23BubblemanAnd what is that valve called, Mark, where you have the open system pouring oil into it, goes through the jacket and sleeve, and then there's like a valve that all of a sudden now it's pressurized and under vacuum on the other side. Do you know the name of that? Because I've been having a hell of a time. Trying to remember the name of that valve. It's on the VTA machine, but I'm sure it's also used in other processes where you can have that continual system but still have a vacuum.

3:11:49Skunk ManRight. It's just a pressure equalization valve that basically keeps the vacuum pressure in the distillation hot zone but enables you to basically do a... A room temperature and room pressure release of the oil. So the machine is basically just spewing out the oil as opposed to the poke machine, which has to be maintained under vacuum and you could pull the fractions later when you're all done.

3:12:17BubblemanYeah, from my limited understanding, I was like, wow, so like standing ovation for that little guy. He's really kind of like pulling this whole unit together, that little valve, allowing that...

3:12:28Skunk ManRight, that valve is key. That valve is key, yeah. And that's a big... Anthony was talking about the Pope unit or the KDL. That's a big differentiator between the KDL and the VTA is that valve. That valve enables you to basically just have your operator sit there. If you can unlimitedly feed the front end of that distillation unit, I thought the numbers that they shared with me is you could basically pull 15 pounds of oil a day out of those things.

3:13:01BubblemanYou understand those are just small units that are used in the petrochemical industry to clean up and show the purity of oil that they've found in different places around the world. They mock up from those small units up to like six and seven and eight stories tall, those same VTA units but like monster ones.

3:13:23AnthonyRight. I think that Val you're referring to is I should call it a gear pump. A gear pump? Yeah, it's like fully jacketed and heated and it goes from atmosphere to vacuum and vacuum to atmosphere without having to break your run, which is I think out of all the units that do the white film right now, I think by far the VTA probably has the most user-friendly slash, you know, Probably the best option for that class of machinery.

3:13:51BubblemanYeah, yeah, pretty still complex if you actually talk to the, I think his name is Corey down in Seattle, who's one of the main technicians for Root Sciences. They have an incredible amount of control over that thing throughout the three different control panels, and once you understand the flow rates and the temperatures and all of that, you can really... You can really have some fun with that machine.

3:14:14AnthonyThe variable though is your starting material, so I'd imagine there'd be different parameters based on your starting material, so that's why having a single source enclosure with that unit would be the best option. It's really tough to, in my experience, we've had really a lot of variability running different oils through that machine just because something could be 20%, it has to be running a little hotter than something that's starting already at 60%.

3:14:40AnthonyThere's definitely some variables, a little bit of moving parts there.

3:14:45SpeakerI believe the straight name for that valve is the anti-decompositing unit.

3:14:54BubblemanFair enough. I will accept that. Indra is allowed to say trichromes, so just to give you an idea of how high he sits up in the hash church hierarchy. He is allowed... What's that?

3:15:08Skunk ManIs he allowed to say CBDs?

3:15:10BubblemanNo, no, he's not allowed to say CBDs. That's taking it too far, Mark. Come on, damn it.

3:15:17SpeakerTry crime?

3:15:17BubblemanSomething like that. That's awesome. You guys are fun. I like spending my Sundays with you guys. I'm not going to lie. It's just nice and chill. It's good. It's good vibes. I'm glad that we get to do this each and every Sunday and that people come and they listen and it's just mind-blowing that we always have something to talk about. There's so much shit going on right now.

3:15:41BubblemanI mean, with what's going on in the U.S., is there not like an underlining vibe of like, it seems like everything's on the fence right now. Like right just on the top of the fence.

3:15:53SpeakerLike teetering.

3:15:54BubblemanTeetering. And I don't just mean like the cannabis industry. Obviously it's their teetering as well with the rest of it. Although seeing Donald Trump say the good things that he did on that one show. But they just lie. It doesn't matter. What does it matter what they say? It's like I wish the best.

3:16:11AnthonyI think one of the good things going for Trump is he wants the states to decide, the states to have their laws. So, you know, that's, you know, it's good for Colorado. It's good for, you know, the states that passed so far.

3:16:21BubblemanNo, I just mean that he could change what he, this is all I mean. We can't possibly know what he really thinks.

3:16:29SpeakerLook, I've got eight recordings of him. Being asked by three different people at three different meetings about medical marijuana. And every single time he said, yes, medical is a must have. Good. Yeah. I know many people who are benefiting from it. I don't want to cut that off. He said the recreational, we'll have to look at that because there's some bad things coming out of Colorado. But, um, We'll have to take a look at it on a state by state basis.

3:17:00SpeakerAnd I think the states should have control over that. He said that three different occasions.

3:17:07Skunk ManI know he's trying to hire... But he's looking at putting Jeff Sessions in as the Attorney General, who's actually a weed Nazi. And in fact, all of his cabinet appointments scare the living shit out of me. You look at the guy he wants to put for the Secretary of State, who's Putin's buddy, who's the head of Exxon. Hello? Exxon Valdez. Does anybody not remember this? I like the guy... How about the guy that he...

3:17:34AnthonyIt's definitely a business move.

3:17:38SpeakerIs what you have against Sessions just because he thought the KKK was okay until he heard they were smoking pot? Yeah. He also told other members of the NAACP, he called them boy and other stuff like that. It's doubtful that he'll make the cut unless he's forced in there. But I think part of Trump's strategy is to shake up Washington because it's been... The same old shit for a long time now.

3:18:10SpeakerAnd he's talking about people who scare the shit out of everybody. And maybe sometimes, you know, if you look at homeopathic medicine, if you've been poisoned, you take a tiny amount more of poison and it supposedly offsets it.

3:18:26BubblemanWell, I was pretty stoked to see that he put Elon Musk on one of his like, I guess I do that he would be talking to in regards to future

3:18:37SpeakerBut again, the reality is that there is no opposition to sessions. Honestly, I bet people in D.C. is that there is no opposition to it. So if that is still a concern, I would like to hope that that would be the case there, but I don't think that's going to be the reality. We're going to be riding a very interesting ride, needless to say, and that's, we should not even find out which way the wind There's nothing we can do because it's the holiday season and everybody's on break, so we don't know.

3:19:14SpeakerWe need to spread the rumor that if you smoke grass, it helps you make your hair grow.

3:19:23BubblemanWhy, is there a large bald population of men that we could gain to our size?

3:19:27SpeakerNo, I was thinking Donald.

3:19:29Skunk ManThat's hilarious. Donald, oh. ATN's a terrible spokesperson for that movement, right? So is Tony.

3:19:38SpeakerWhat do you mean rumor? I've got a full head of hair.

3:19:46AnthonySo I think one thing that cannabinoids really do, and I think CBD in particular, that people kind of overlook, and really it's not a thing you can really quantify and feel, is that CBD kind of helps with your overall homeostasis, where it just helps whatever your body is doing, it helps to do it better and more optimal. It goes into like, in history, before corn, all our livestock used to eat hemp.

3:20:12AnthonyThank you so much for joining us.

3:20:42SpeakerI just read a study done by a world scientific group that says hemp is the most nutritious vegetable or plant in the world. You can put it up against any other plant and it's got better nutrition and more in it for you. If mana, what they talked about the mana machine, probably was manawana.

3:21:12BubblemanManawana.

3:21:20BubblemanCue the laughter.

3:21:24BubblemanI think I'm going to have a bong rip and I don't know. We might just call it a day. We'll see what happens after this rip.

3:21:31AnthonyOne more rip for the, one more dip for the rip, I should say. Join you.

3:21:36Skunk ManOne more bong rip. One more bong rip we are making, Bubble Man. Mark, rather than blowing smoke towards the Vatican, we should say blowing smoke towards Jamaica.

3:21:47BubblemanWell, I'm down with that as well. I mean, shit, got so many good friends here.

3:21:51Skunk ManNone of us are in Jamaica. It's true.

3:21:55BubblemanOr how about to Trump? Nah, let's do Jamaica.

3:22:00SpeakerI think Trump needs it more. Jamaica's got plenty of its own smoke.

3:22:05BubblemanYeah, you're right on that one. There's no fucking arguing with you on that one.

3:22:10SpeakerI would love to smoke a hole with Donald. Don't smoke at our government.

3:22:17Skunk ManI think his daughter got caught smoking in New York City at a bondage club.

3:22:21SpeakerAbout a week ago. It's true.

3:22:24Skunk ManYeah, at a bondage club where they do S&M.

3:22:31SpeakerOh my goodness.

3:22:38SpeakerThat couldn't be because you only end up at an S&M club if you're completely unsure about your being worthy of being loved by how your parents raised you. So you want someone to beat you because you're willing to take a beating as attention. Crazy as it is, we're all very hungry for attention. It's better if you can find a loving way to get it rather than nonsense like that.

3:23:05SpeakerBut there's a lot of people who...

3:23:07Skunk ManGod, that's all bullshit, man. She's a fucking inbred, dude. I'm telling you, man.

3:23:13BubblemanDamn.

3:23:16SpeakerThat escalated quickly.

3:23:22BubblemanSometimes our resident chemist just gets a little antsy.

3:23:28BubblemanGenerally, if you talk about Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders losing, that's not a good one to bring up. Definitely don't be fucking shitting on fish at all. And other than that, we should be good. Bong rips up to everybody.

3:23:47SpeakerWell, I'm in favor of trying to bring Donald Trump over to the Canada's camp so that he's a supporter.

3:23:59SpeakerYeah. I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing him do a bong rip on Sunday mornings in Hatch Church, talking to us all.

3:24:12Skunk ManI think when he actually gets his arms around the financial aspects of it, I think he'll embrace it, right?

3:24:19AnthonyHe's going to get behind CBD here soon.

3:24:21SpeakerIs he a money guy? He's going to want to trump enterprises.

3:24:27Skunk ManYeah, I mean, before you know it, right, it's going to be Marley Natural next to Trump Unnatural or whatever his brand's going to be. Trump brand CBD. Orange Fire.

3:24:43SpeakerAt the Emerald Cup, Whoopi Goldberg was selling Whoopi Goldberg brand hot chocolate. And, yeah. They gave me a jar of it to try, and I put the recommended dose in it and drank it and didn't feel a thing. So I did the entire rest of the bottle and drank it and still didn't feel anything. And so if I was going to critique that for Whoopi, I'd go, whoopsie.

3:25:13BubblemanWell, maybe they need to have someone else doing their extractions.

3:25:18SpeakerYeah, my thought exactly. Hey, Mark, was that Drosif you just dabbed?

3:25:23BubblemanNo, that was a little bit of hash oil. That was some rosin made from bubble hash.

3:25:29AnthonyI was going to say that.

3:25:31BubblemanThere's very little left. Yeah, there's very little left. Although I will say that the dry sift that I have here will definitely puddle damn near like that oil just did. Oh, yeah. That's great. Yep. So yeah, I don't know, guys, unless you guys have anything else to say, I think that I could release all of us in minutes from now. I'm just thanking everyone.

3:26:02AnthonyYeah, thank you guys for having me on here, and if there's any other CBD questions I can enlighten people on, please go ahead and ask. Thanks again for having me, guys. It was great.

3:26:14BubblemanYeah, dude, thank you very much for coming out, Anthony. I know we'll be in touch, as we often are, outside of the Hash Church platform. And yeah, keep doing the good work in Colorado. Of course, thanks to, well, thanks for Indra for sharing his face with us today. That was pretty cool. It was like my friend Mike from Heidolf texting me when I first saw your face and he said, he said, doesn't Indra look exactly like what you thought he would look like?

3:26:42BubblemanAnd I'm like, yeah, he really does. He really does. Shout out to Mike from Heidel, Mike Bishop. And of course, yeah, so thank you both, Andrew and Sam, for sharing your time and your stories.

3:26:55SpeakerI got one last question. Please. These decrystals, are they CBD-A or CBD?

3:27:03AnthonyCBD. It's fully activated, ready to go. You can eat it. You can infuse it.

3:27:07SpeakerSo can you make crystals out of CBD-A?

3:27:12AnthonyUh, not yet. Uh, hasn't been done yet. But, uh, it's, uh, you know, there's a few different things we're working on. That's, um, you know, not one of them right now, but it's something that's, you know, potentially on the horizon here shortly.

3:27:25SpeakerBecause CBD-A is even more stable than CBD. Right. That's the biggest one you threw, Anthony. I'm sorry? What's the biggest CBD crystal you've grown till now?

3:27:44AnthonyProbably like 350, 400 grams, single specimen. It's like a cluster of specimens, per se. It's like the bottom of one of our dishes that kind of came out in one piece. I've had ones the size of my fist. I'm really bummed my Instagram page got deleted because there's some great content on there and some great pictures. It'll be back and we'll be able to see some better pictures.

3:28:11AnthonyI'll start trying to post some more of the bigger ones here.

3:28:14BubblemanJump into the Hash Church group and share them in the Facebook Hash Church group.

3:28:19AnthonyOkay, yeah, we'll do.

3:28:21Skunk ManAnd be ready to answer a lot of questions.

3:28:24AnthonyOh, my God. Yeah, so many people just think it looks like something else. You know, I think that might have been part of why the account got deleted, just because all the crack comments.

3:28:36BubblemanYeah, lots of crack, lots of meth comments as well. I posted it, and people were like, one guy was like slamming, he's like, Bubble Man, you're a disgrace. He's like, you belong in solitary confinement. Like just like going off because I shouted you out your new Instagram account and showed that picture of that one of the crystals. I was like, no, it's CBD, bro. Like what are you tripping on?

3:28:57AnthonyI've never even seen like meth or crack, but I don't imagine their meth or crack looks that pure.

3:29:03BubblemanI don't imagine meth or crack heads are sharing that shit on their Instagram accounts. I don't think there's like hashtag Walter White meth. I don't know.

3:29:13SpeakerCrack crystals could never get that big. I think the main question by the people out there is can they do it in their bathtub? Yeah. If anyone that was into crack and had a crystal that big, it would be broken up and done immediately. That's why it's called crack.

3:29:32BubblemanYeah, indeed. That's what it is.

3:29:36AnthonyI wouldn't be having an Instagram page just putting different pictures of my meth batches. According to the DEA, it is worse than crack right now.

3:29:51AnthonySo I've also heard that the term CBD is going to be patented and you're not going to be able to call it CBD, so you're going to have to call it cannabinoid isolate and take the CBD out of it completely, which might be a loophole here, I guess.

3:30:06BubblemanYeah, I heard Whole Foods bought it, hey? Yeah. No, I'm joking. I just know how much money they make off silly terms like organic and natural.

3:30:17SpeakerI think it's GW Pharma. I don't see how that could be done because if you think about it, CBD has been in the public domain for years and years and years and years.

3:30:30Skunk ManThat's right.

3:30:31SpeakerPublic domain. It's not true what you're saying. I hope so. I hope you're right. They can't. Thank you for joining us.

3:31:00SpeakerDescribing the word without saying cannabidiol and all the rest of that. That's what I mean. I'm here in Hollywood and that's what I heard that Paris Hilton owns that pot and she just bought CBD. Yeah, she probably just bought some CBD.

3:31:22Skunk ManShe needs to be smoking THC.

3:31:24SpeakerWhat was it? Was it this side, Tony? Was what? Was the CBD she bought fist-sized? Was it fist-sized?

3:31:39BubblemanYeah, he wants to know if it was the size of your fist. That's what he's asking.

3:31:44SpeakerIt was big. We're not talking about fisting. And on that note, I'm going to wish you all a good day.

3:31:51MrHey, thanks, Todd. John, it was really nice to see you on Hashtag Charge, and it was nice to smoke with you as well. I look forward to hanging out with you in the future.

3:32:04SpeakerI'm looking forward to some evening we all get together and have dinner and a laugh.

3:32:11BubblemanI say we all get together and smoke DMT.

3:32:15AnthonyHell yeah. Yeah, that works too. Crystal DMT. Well, yeah, of course.

3:32:23BubblemanI have some orange crystal, white crystal DMT somewhere here. I'll have to find one of these days. Maybe we'll do DMT church where we all just smoke like some super strong DMT extract and then, you know, like have seizures on our chairs for a bit and then come back and explain what happened, where, where to go. You're pretty cool, I bet.

3:32:43SpeakerMan, that was amazing. I've never been able to explain a DMT truth.

3:32:49BubblemanWell, that's the best part when you come back and you're like, nothing, utter silence. What happened? Words cannot describe. But anyway, on that note, I will also say thank you to everyone. Finished my thank yous, Tony and Todd and Mark Scaldone and Johnny B. Sabo, who made a quick appearance. He's going to try and move some things around and show up one of these Sundays, and we're going to have a little discussion on that Canna Athletes platform that he's running.

3:33:17BubblemanAnd other than that, thank you, everyone, for watching Hash Church. I don't know what's happening next week. It might be on a Saturday. It might be on a Monday. We're definitely going to do it within that very same range of time, but it might not be on Christmas morning, so I'm going to... Thank you so much for joining us.