Cannabis Culture and Extraction Techniques

0:11SpeakerGood morning, everybody. I do believe we are live. Welcome to Hash Church. Give me a minute. Let me send out the links to everybody. I hope everybody's having a great morning.

0:25SpeakerAnd I hope you are too.

0:33SpeakerAnd let's see. Hopefully we get some people joining us.

0:38SpeakerMark is always so fluent at this. Not so much. Definitely not my calling to be a YouTube broadcaster. Not like Mark.

0:57SpeakerOkay.

1:04SpeakerAll right, I hope everybody's having a good day. What you gonna smoke this morning? I'm gonna smoke some Kush during our morning conversation. See if they're seeing it. I'm gonna smoke some Kush during our... What's going on, brother? ...conversation. I'm echoing, see if they're seeing it. I'm not good at this. I'm so not good at this.

1:33BubblemanWhat's going on, Todd? You can't hear me?

1:35SpeakerYeah, can you hear me? Can you hear me?

1:43SpeakerBlue snowball mic, everything's all set. Let me see.

1:46BubblemanWhat's going on, Todd? You can't hear me?

1:50SpeakerYeah, can you hear me? Are you kidding a little bit? Let me see here. Are you hearing me okay? Are you hearing me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me talking? No?

2:17BubblemanI hear you perfect, but there's a reverberation coming. Yes, I hear you perfect. I hear you perfect. Can you not see me?

2:27SpeakerYeah, I see you now. Yeah. I can see you and hear you. You need to turn the video.

2:37SpeakerI don't have that on, actually. Let me see here.

2:57SpeakerI'm not getting my headphones to work. Oh, I love it.

3:09SpeakerGood morning, everybody. I cannot believe how hard it is to do this sometimes. Let me tell you. Oh, there's Mark's back. That's great.

3:19BubblemanGood morning again, sir. Hello. Sorry about that. I didn't bring my earphones, so hopefully it works today. Thank you so much for opening up Hash Church, Todd. Always a pleasure to have you help me out like this. It's my pleasure, Mark.

3:34SpeakerI think what you do is great. I'm just not anywhere near as good at it as you.

3:38BubblemanNo, you know what? It's super stressful because it's hard to get it flowy. And I feel the same way. Even though you think I'm better at it than you, I still feel like... So hopefully we got the link sent out to the group. I see Etienne is going to probably say it doesn't work if I was a betting man. If I had $100,000 to put down, I would... Oh, look at that.

4:02BubblemanEtienne says the link's not working. I'll get it for you, buddy. Let's see what we can do here. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. We're going to do this. We're going to go back. We're going to go boom. We're going to go bang. All right. Let's see if I can get Monsieur Etienne and perhaps the rest of the group into the room. We'll hope for the best.

4:21BubblemanI speak in not too long from... I am in the big city of Toronto. Yeah, lots of big buildings outside the window. Can't really see very clearly because, oh, there we go. Because it's so dark, but there it is. And of course, Colin's working it.

4:46SpeakerWhat's the name of the event you're there for? Lyft.

4:52SpeakerThe Lyft event. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's called Lyft.

4:54BubblemanIt's pretty good. It's a pretty good event. There's a lot of people, good amount of action going on, and yeah, they put it together well. It's activism. It's licensed producers. It's kind of a whole group in Canada that are all just trying to make this move forward. Welcome, Etienne.

5:16BubblemanWelcome to the 350 people that are actually in the room watching right now. Thank you guys for tuning in today. Probably open up the YouTube chat room real quick so I can read what everyone's saying. And yeah, Tony's speaking. Johnny B is here. We have a few less panelists today, but that's okay.

5:39BubblemanI'm going to go shoot Tony. Colin's going to go shoot Tony. That's very American of you.

5:48BubblemanHe's a videographer.

5:54Collin PalmerHe's shooting with a camera.

5:57BubblemanWhich is also very American of you. Who are the greatest storytellers on the planet?

6:03BubblemanThere's a lot of them. Well, let's just say currently Hollywood seems to be the number one.

6:09Etienne FontanYeah, like who else tells stories like that, like movies and shit, like next level. Bollywood, I guess.

6:14BubblemanAre you not having, ATN seems to be having a problem. Welcome, Skunk Man Sam.

6:18Etienne FontanI had just a restart because I put my camera on, so I should be okay now.

6:22SpeakerI hope you look as better as always.

6:29Etienne FontanHey, ooh, nice shirt, ATN. You look nice and pale there, Sam.

6:37SpeakerWell, that's because it's Christmas time.

6:43Etienne FontanHo, ho, ho.

6:47SpeakerThat's why I have a Christmas wreath around my neck.

6:51Etienne FontanI thought you were just necking.

6:55Etienne FontanYou guys are killing me. Really?

6:58BubblemanTime to roll. How many hash churches has Sam been a doll for?

7:03Collin PalmerSam the doll is very inspiring, my friend. I think it's amazing.

7:10Etienne FontanSince I've been on, he's pretty much been the doll. I came in at what? He's pretty much 40, 42 or something.

7:19BubblemanThat's funny.

7:21Collin PalmerCan we just do an edit of all the dolls?

7:23BubblemanRight? One day we were all going to come in as dolls.

7:26SpeakerI think everyone that's ever met Sam has just thought of him as a big, cushy doll.

7:34BubblemanWell, we got 1204 here in Toronto, which I guess is 904 on the East Coast, and we already got 400 people in the room, so that's pretty good. Oh, sorry, Timothy James. Poor Timothy James, his torch just died. If we could all take a moment of silence for Timothy James and his torch, we are going to wish upon him that the gas refuels his torch and that the melt bubbles away in his quartz or his titanium or whatever it is that he...

7:59BubblemanChooses to smoke. Can Sam show what he's smoking on? No. No, Sam can't show what he's smoking on. I don't let him. It would make us all look bad, so we've got to keep Sam in line here on Hash Church.

8:11Etienne FontanAnd how he does it is also patented, and his steps that he takes are patented, so we can't fuck with the patentable reality.

8:23SpeakerNot only is it patented, but I've copyrighted talking about it too, so you can't do that either.

8:31Etienne FontanI guess we have to send you some money for just that discussion, huh?

8:37Etienne FontanOr is that complimentary? Is the first discussion free but the rest will cost us?

8:41BubblemanYep, you've been warned. Did anyone hear about the cops busting the Hemp Expo in Sydney?

8:52Collin PalmerNo.

8:55SpeakerRob is talking there.

8:58BubblemanYeah, well, someone just said, did you hear about the cops raiding the Hemp Expo in Sydney?

9:04Etienne FontanI take it it's Sydney, Australia?

9:06BubblemanAbsolutely, yeah. No, I have some friends that are down there as well from Theracan. My friend Steve went down there and was checking it out.

9:15SpeakerIt is a Hemp Expo, but maybe now because medical marijuana was legalized a couple of months ago, maybe people were breaking out reefers and the cops freaked out.

9:29BubblemanI think that's probably a pretty accurate description of what potentially went down.

9:35Etienne FontanAustralians have always been weird with cannabis. I was surprised to even see them go that direction, but a friend of mine has been working over there for the past year plus on their whole medical situation. He's an expert here in the United States and was contracted to go there. And he's really changed things, but it sounds like it hasn't really made its way down to the lower levels of enforcement yet, which is unfortunate.

10:00SpeakerThere are three companies which are licensed to either cultivate, to grow, to process. So there are three companies, but only one of them has all of the necessary licenses.

10:15BubblemanI'll tell you, they're just really going to have a hard time with this licensing guards to the black hole that is the black market. How the hell do you get rid of the black market?

10:25SpeakerYou never do. What you do is you make the prices so cheap that there is no black market.

10:38Etienne FontanThat's really the reality of it all.

10:40BubblemanRight. You kill the market with integrity.

10:46SpeakerWell, you've got to take away the profit motivation, right?

10:55SpeakerIf there's no profit, there's no market.

10:56Collin PalmerAbsolutely, that's it.

11:00Etienne FontanWell, that's led to all the problems of prohibition and the murders and the mayhem and all these things that are taking place because a value has been put on this flower that really is no base in reality. It's literally been fictitiously plucked out of the air, but it's been perpetuated through the THC, MQ, and all these other things through the years that we have this false relevancy to a price structure for cannabis that has become inherent to where I mean, back in the 90s, I mean, prices from an eighth were, you know, 50, you know, 50 bucks an eighth back then, you know, and that still hasn't really changed.

11:39SpeakerI mean, you can thank prohibition also for giving us, you know, things like Al Capone, and Americans should have learned from alcohol prohibition. Cannabis Prohibition, which is basically similar. It doesn't work. There are two sides with the problem though, ATN. I see there's a lot of people that don't practice what BPG practices. They buy something at $10. They buy a pound at $900. They're still selling it at $64.

12:08SpeakerThey don't give a shit that the producer is getting a lower profit. They're just getting more headroom in their profit margin because we're not seeing the prices go down at any of the retail stores. It's still prohibitionary prices. Eights are still 50 bucks up, so that's 400 bucks an ounce.

12:25Etienne FontanAnd that's going to become more cheap. Sorry, I was going to say it's just going to become more challenging as with the problem with the states of California and these other states are using these taxational thoughts based on this false prohibitional high, which will, you know, they're trying to now figure out how to ways where those margins are and eat all those margins up completely. And they are to the point where, I mean, these new laws in California are going to directly affect craft cannabis.

12:54Etienne FontanAnd small scale providers. I mean, that's a very unfortunate, but it very much looks like a reality.

13:00SpeakerIt's fortunate because it's been very unfortunate for society to have to pay high prices for something that shouldn't cost more than tomatoes. Well, it's more like wheat and corn. America feeds the world with its extra wheat and corn. And, uh, If farmers really had their hands untied, cannabis, even if it was organic corn, organic wheat, organic cannabis, farmers could mass produce it and it will cost very little.

13:29Etienne FontanAnd that's what Todd's been talking about for months as he's been stating, I can't wait till the prices of cannabis are that way so that everybody in America can have access to it. And I agree with it. I mean, the principle is sound in that everybody has an endocannabinoid system, which means everybody who does not have cannabis currently has a deficiency, which means we as a world and a society Thank you so much for joining us today.

14:14Etienne FontanThrough its own need to perpetuate has enlisted us humans along the way, and now we've really changed the tide, but the tide hasn't changed completely. We still have a lot of work to do, as we can see by the laws across the United States. It'll spread outward, but we still got to work in the Midwest and central United States hardcore.

14:36SpeakerI'm not really a medical user, but that said, I've been heavily medicating myself for 51 years.

14:45Etienne FontanYou're not addicted either.

14:46SpeakerI don't know. I never stop. You know, though, I think a lot of us that are dabbing so much and smoking so much, now that we're learning so much more about our endocannabinoid system, I think people are benefiting themselves by flooding their body with cannabinoids. I mean, we used to be told that this was something that was bad for us and stupid, and science has turned that on its ear.

15:07SpeakerNow we know it's good for us and it might be really important for our body's development. And if we have a deficiency or an inability to create these natural chemicals ourselves, these natural endocannabinoids, then cannabis is our only path of actually feeding our endocannabinoid system.

15:24Etienne FontanAnd that's something that we've known anecdotally and for some reason we've known and felt good and it's made us feel good to the point where science is now actually backs us up for it. Thank you for joining us.

15:50Etienne FontanTo unlock and get into cancerous cells, which is still mind-boggling to researchers, how they can actually hold them down. One cell holds it down while the other continues to turn on the death inside the cell so that cancer doesn't perpetuate, which doesn't work for every cancer, unfortunately. But hopefully with more knowledge and research, we can create medicines that will make it possible for all through cannabis.

16:17SpeakerRight. Dr. Lester Grinspoon feels that cannyopathic medicine is going to be actually a huge source of help for humans in the future because we're only learning, we're only beginning to learn now how important the endocannabinoid system is and how intricate it is and, you know, how CB1 and CB2 affects so many different elements of our body. So we're only learning now. I mean, we're only at the beginning.

16:43SpeakerWe really are.

16:48Etienne FontanAnd that's the excitement about all these people who are watching us and are researchers and are looking for, you know, abilities of where they can be if they're in school looking to, you know, take that next step forward that they can actually become researchers and doctors and tests that can be done and actually move this entire thing forward, you know. That's all we're here to do is to help educate so that, You, the viewers, can actually take up that torch yourself along the way because we've all been carrying this torch and we're carrying this torch until we're as tired as we can be.

17:19Etienne FontanBut as we said, there's still so much more work to be done. There needs to be a panel of thousands of us talking all the time and having these discussions on our local levels, on the national level so that we can actually change these laws because as we know, we're outnumbered, outgunned, and definitely outfinanced gratefully.

17:38SpeakerIt's the Cannabis Marijuana Olympics and this is the marathon and you have to pass that torch to the next guy because it'll still be needed when we're all old and dead. Cannabis education never ends.

17:57Etienne FontanAnd you've proven that firsthand.

17:58Collin PalmerAbsolutely.

17:59Etienne FontanAnd you've taught us firsthand. You and Rob both and Todd and others that have taken it and Bubble Man have taken a part not just to just talk about it but to actually educate and push things at a level that You know, we wouldn't know what we know now if it hadn't been for you. We wouldn't smoke now and be able to smoke the varieties we have if it wasn't for you.

18:20Etienne FontanSo what will this next generation actually take up and, you know, run with? That's what excites me. When we get to that next edge of that precipice, what are those next questions that we will ask when we're at that new horizon? That's what excites me.

18:34SpeakerWe all stand on the shoulders of giants, and I certainly did. And I hope the generation after us jumps up on our shoulders and does the same.

18:48BubblemanYou got to hope. You got to hope. I want to give a few shout outs if I could. Am I coming through okay?

18:55Etienne FontanYes.

18:55BubblemanWe hear you. Excellent.

18:57Etienne FontanLima Charlie.

19:00BubblemanI wanted to thank Mick from Dark Crystal Glass Company, the glass cleaner. He does the quartz. He gave me this beautiful 35 mil banger yesterday. And then Nish, the glass blower. I want to shout him out for dropping me off this really nice little directional carb cap that actually fits this 35 millimeter glass. Uh, bowl, and then of course all the gifts that Mick gave that I'm going to be giving away on my Wake and Bake show, um, on this channel.

19:29BubblemanUh, so bottles of the DC glass cleaner, which is unbelievable. For those of you that, um, have been using it, a quick little tip. Say you chazz your bowl up a little bit on a rip, dipping the Q-tips in and going to work, but actually pour a little shot of it in, and it will, it's amazing actually. Even with the force of the Q-tip and trying to scrape, you cannot be as efficient as just pouring a tiny bit in, and it basically boils.

20:00BubblemanIt grabs all the resin, carries it up to the top, and that's when I usually just have a Q-tip and I'll absorb it like that. Kind of can't say enough about it. Dude, it works really well. What is the cleaner again? Oh, the cleaner is called DC Glass Cleaner, and it's basically like You know, one of these natural cleaners. It doesn't have any alcohols. It's mostly non-chlorinated water.

20:25BubblemanIt's probably 95% of it. It's got a little Karanja oil. And then it's got three different types of extracts, which is like kale and sugar cane and one other that's also strange. But that's what the material is. It comes across just like water. It's kind of got a mildly soapy texture but not really. I've never had it leave a taste in my banger or even ash or anything.

20:51BubblemanIt just dissipates to nothing. Is that available still? Yeah, and then I had one other shot and I had to get it. Is that available stateside or is that on the stadium? Everywhere. Amazon. Yeah. Go to Amazon and punch in DC Glass Cleaner, Dark Crystal Glass Cleaner. I think it's like $15 a bottle or something or $13 a bottle. Wholesale, maybe $8 if you buy a case.

21:13SpeakerMarcus, who made the Swiss perk that I have?

21:19BubblemanYeah.

21:20SpeakerWho made that?

21:22BubblemanNate Dizzle.

21:23SpeakerThat's right, Dizzle, yes. I heard he had some sort of a glass accident and put glass through his hand or something.

21:32BubblemanWas that recently?

21:34SpeakerI thought so.

21:36BubblemanYeah, that sounds familiar. Well, we'll confirm it. But he also recently had, I believe, maybe his first child. So he must be pretty excited about that. Shout out to Nate Dizzle for kicking down the Swiss perks, for really being an all-around awesome, pretty cool guy. You know, I met Nate as well as Steve Hopps. By flying into Amsterdam and meeting them at the airport, I had never met them and I don't even think I'd seen a picture of them.

22:03BubblemanAnd the plan was that I had known Martin from Ruhr as, you know, all of you guys do as well. Martin and I have been friends for some time and I always thought, I've always supported glassblowers, you know, even... Thank you for watching.

22:30BubblemanI met those guys at the airport. My manufacturer, Mark Rose, for Bubble Bags, he's got a son named Mark who's German and lives in Germany, and he said, hey, listen, I'll come to Amsterdam and pick you up in the van and drive you back to Germany. I was like, great. So I land at the airport. I look around for these guys. I eventually find them, Nate Dizzle, Steve Hopps, and then another friend of ours, GZA1, GZ1, he's a Pretty well-known Instagram character that hangs out with the Philly glassblowing scene.

23:01BubblemanAlso a wicked guy. I had never met any of them. And if you ever just gone into a road trip with people you've never met, like all of a sudden, because this is what I saw. And Mark Christopher says to me, I can't go, but you can take my van. And I'm like, what? What are you talking about? It's like late at night. I've just flown 10 hours.

23:25BubblemanI don't want to drive to Frankenthal, Germany. It's not as easy as it sounds, unless you had a GPS, which we did. But someone pushed a button at one point in time while we were having a nice little session, and he turned the GPS to German. And we couldn't turn it back. So it was quite an adventure, quite hilarious. I started telling that story, but shout out to Dizzle, shout out to Steve Hopps and all the awesome glass blowers out there doing their thing.

23:55SpeakerA German GPS would be a bit of a challenge for sure.

24:00Etienne FontanOh, just listening to it would be fun. If it could actually pronounce the streets and the towns properly, you could actually learn it.

24:09SpeakerI like German GPS. It has much more discipline.

24:15BubblemanGosh, what? Yeah, it was funny. We were laughing. She was saying all sorts of shit.

24:25SpeakerYou guys, either I'm stoned or you're actually stoned. I'm not sure. I might just be stoned. You are stoned. I'm going to have to say stoned. Go stoned. Go stoned. Absolutely.

24:37Bubbleman550 people in the room.

24:41BubblemanWe got Pharmacy Bro. Oh, I saw some really nice flyers. Let's see. Yo, Mark. Steve Hopps invented the inline perk. Yes, absolutely. Steve Hopps invented the inline perk and invented the Swiss perk. And so I thought it would be what a cool thing to go and put on rulers, which were very much a straight downstem, to put Swiss perks and inlines into rulers. So, of course, Flav bought them all.

25:06BubblemanSo I get to puff them every once in a while. It's pretty amazing, actually. Welcome Sylvain Saint-Germain and Ty Palmer. Ty Palmer's doing a cool project. I should talk a little bit about that. You know, when he first told me about it, I wasn't really fully understanding exactly what it was about. Okay, so it's called Legalize Trees. And is it Ty? Yeah, okay, good. I'm glad I got that right, Ty.

25:30BubblemanI didn't want to muck that up. So they're doing a soft launch tomorrow, and I'm going to share this. It's an animator of the Project of Sufferings. Okay, so he had some problems, so the animation didn't get done. But basically what they're doing is, and Todd, you would be quite, well, you know what? All of you guys, in fact, would be incredible for this, Thank you so much for watching.

26:16BubblemanAnd I will share mine here soon. I'm not sure how I could really share it. Not that you'd want to watch it right now or listen to it right now anyway, but I'll figure it out on the Facebook page. And I'm sure Ty will want to get in touch with you guys because I think that his whole purpose is to kind of... You know, like what you've mentioned in the past, Todd, about the importance and the value of this culture, certain people are seeing that and they want to push it to the front and it's so, you know, this is, these are unique activism-like type stories, stories that are like, you know, that at one point in time, I mean, I know lots of people would love to hear each and every one of your guys' stories and how you got into cannabis.

26:55BubblemanNow, we've talked about it a lot on Hash Church, but this is a unique little platform and I think, I think he's going to do good with it, so... Go check that out.

27:04SpeakerI just did a voiceover for The Secret Cup. They are making a documentary about the event that's been going on for the last five years. And they did a cool animation. And Jeremy asked me if I'd do the voiceover. So he was up here the other night. And it was really cool. I can't wait to see it come out. I think events like The Secret Cup, you know, have created...

27:26SpeakerNot just awesome, like opportunities for the community to come together, but they have propelled the community because people who are making stuff are able to see each other and what they're doing and how they're doing it. And it really ups their game considerably when they're competing against, you know, kind of the best of the best of their field.

27:46Etienne FontanWell, it's also not only has it upped the community, it's upped the access to the community because now people in the absence of that are creating their own cups and their own award ceremonies or, you know, as we saw in the Bay Area, they started creating their own little gatherings where, you know, people can actually perpetuate and buy and learn and dab and, you know, quietly meet.

28:07Etienne FontanI mean, they're all over the United States now. It started in L.A. and then up here and now... Colorado, okay, so Secret Sessions are now all over the place, you know, and our guests.

28:17SpeakerNo, no, Secret Session, no, no, Secret Cup. The Secret Session people stole the name from Secret Cup, but it's cool. The Secret Cup started back in the back in I want to say 12 with Big D doing wanted to do a competition because you know extraction is legal in Colorado and he ran an extraction facility called Top Shelf Extracts and Jeremy got involved and helped them put it together and the Secret Cup became legendary in my opinion because it really did a good job of pulling together Really cool housemakers.

28:51SpeakerIt's the next level. You've had the kids. They're just incredible.

28:57Etienne FontanYeah, it raised my level of expectation as well after viewing how many of those kits we've actually either handled or we actually... You photographed them, but then I got to actually write or actually did sample testing of each individual and actually did full write-ups of each one because it... It's a whole new level of understanding at that level of what the clarity, what you were getting compared to what I was used to seeing, the consistency of the hash compared to what I was used to seeing.

29:34Etienne FontanAnd seeing what it should be across the board, which made me aware so I could tell others as well as when they tasted and saw it, they were like, oh shit, I got to raise my game. So they started to look at technology and improving their processes through technology to where now across the board, the hash that I'm getting is on the quality and on par of what I was actually seeing in competition.

30:00Etienne FontanSo it's It's raised across the board the entire conversation, which has helped everybody because some of that stuff earlier on was pretty dark and muddy and inconsistent. Now to see how clear or buttered or all these different varieties, because not every bud will shatter. Not every bud will actually go clear. So it's interesting to now see The next advancements in technology, because now you've got these specific vacuum pumps, you've got, you know, Indra from his creation to propel it now to where the people have taken it to a whole other level, and now with these legal Medical, you know, states that actually are putting standards, actual production standards, where you've now got companies manufacturing equipment, whereas, you know, five, seven years ago, the only way to do that was in a pan, you know, so now it's pushing things at a whole other level of what is even possible.

31:01Etienne FontanSo again, excited to see I think that's the point is that you're seeing on the market now the stuff that we only saw in the kits three, four years ago.

31:27Etienne FontanCorrect. Yeah, because, and, you know, it's a shame that the cup isn't continuing forward because it'd be good to see what the, you know, because now everybody's at this standard. Now people are going to push that standard further, you know, and constantly push it. And that's what the great thing about the competition was. You really got to taste the turps. You really got to taste these things that made us realize that, oh, there's a difference in production out of the BHO as opposed to, You know, the CO2, there's definitely, you could taste the flavonoids, the high, everything having to do with it was, it seemed, it taught us that it seemed to be superior to absorption for these cannabinoids or access to these.

32:08Etienne FontanWhat did? The BHO as opposed in comparison to the CO2 extraction, you know, it showed us... I think cannabinoids... How much?

32:18SpeakerCO2 is great for pulling cannabinoids, but it's shitty for pulling terpenes, just like it's good for pulling caffeine and it doesn't pull the flavonoids and wonderful sense of coffee so they can go on to sell the coffee beans. You know, I think all of the extraction methods have like a place in a sense because... You know, there's going to be traditional people that just like to, you know, see their buds and take that hash and make form out.

32:44SpeakerAnd then there's going to be people that like to actually turn it into little pens that they can give their grandfather when he's having a moment dealing with his chemotherapy session. So I think also a point about flavonoids. If you eat it orally, flavonoids can be active. If you smoke it, it deactivates the flavonoids. You don't get any synergy from THC and flavonoids that are smoked.

33:14Etienne FontanThat's why a lot of people are taking the CO2 distillate and are making edibles out of it.

33:18SpeakerDon't you think, Sam, that there's going to be a shift in the way people breed now? Because now that they're not breeding under the thumb of prohibition, don't you think that they're going to move away from having to breed or look for, at least in their sex and selection, the heavy and fast flowering flowers? And now they're going to be able to look for the ones that smell good or the ones that are not.

33:39SpeakerIn theory, you could be correct. They could grow plants that only yield a half pound, and it's like stacked calyxes where there is no real buds, but it just has incredible resin on it. Yeah, absolutely, especially personal connoisseurs. For business, you know, it'll be harder to come because they're looking at the dollars and cents. And also, what's popular this week? What fad cannabis is there? To a degree, but you know, it's almost like you can't see a pot documentary with some new wannabe cannabis entrepreneur standing in front of a warehouse grow talking shit about three pounds of light.

34:22SpeakerAnd my thought is always three pounds of what I don't want to smoke per life. Yeah, well, that's how I feel about these multi-poly hybrids. They're just so mixed up, they all start getting vaguely similar to each other. Well, can we talk about that for a minute? Because what you're basically saying is people are buying their seeds of complex hybrids, they're mixing them together, and they're basically making what I think Rob called a marijuana botany, a dog's breakfast.

34:51SpeakerYes, it's, well, it can be a great plant. You might be able to pick a great plant out of that, but it is not uniquely different from everything else out there because it's a poly-multi-hybrid that probably has a little bit of everything else in it. Right, right, right. You know, and somebody was just mentioned about three pounds of leg. And I'd like to point out that there's been varieties like Big Bud in the 90s.

35:18SpeakerSerious Seeds sold a variety called Chronic. And while it was its heaviest yielder, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't what I went to to smoke it first out of the catalog. It was always the Cali Mist and then the AK at night, you know. But, you know, if you want a yielder, they've been there. But a lot of times the yielders are not what you want to bring in.

35:38SpeakerI've seen narrow leaf drug varieties, what people call sativas, equatorial tropical varieties that can yield three to five kilos per plant if it's grown big enough. But I'm not going to say that indica hybrids don't out yield them because they are, they're faster and they do give you more product. You know, though, I want to point something out about that because the, you know, the northern varieties, what we're calling indica, always need more time vegging than the equatorial varieties that we're calling sativa.

36:16SpeakerAnd I've seen people put long flowering varieties in the ground without any pregrow. And finish faster or sooner. Like, let me take this for an example. A 10-week NL5 by haze can come down quicker than, let's say, a skunk one. Because if you give that skunk one four, three or four weeks of pre-growth time and eight weeks of growing, you're at 12 weeks. And you could have put the NL5 right in the little pot, popped it, had a 30-inch plant that yielded you a half ounce in two weeks less.

36:48SpeakerSo I think that if people learn how to use the plants and what the plants will do, we're going to see huge advancements in the way people grow cannabis. But could you talk a little bit about this, Sam, about sativa indica? I saw an article on Facebook the other day talking about the effects of sativa, the effects of indica, and, you know, the word sativa and indica were never ever meant to describe an effect.

37:13SpeakerThere's a lettuce sativa. Well, maybe to some limited degree it did, but in general, wide leaf drug varieties, as a population, have considerable CBD in them. Whereas as individual plants, people at least previously had selected only the ones that were high in THC only. So that is what hit the population in the mid-70s, 80s, 90s, on up until the last 10 years when people started focusing on CBD.

37:50SpeakerNow they'd be happy to find some. Because if you grow seeds from Afghanistan, the farmers there are selecting for resin. They're not selecting for THC or CBD because they don't smoke individual plants. What they do is they dry sift it, they get all this resin, and they smoke it. So if the plant has lots of resin, they keep the seeds from it. Right. Well, can we talk about these two words then?

38:17SpeakerSativa, when Carl Linnaeus was tagging plants like lettuce, like cannabis, with the name sativa, he was literally meaning just to cultivate. All sativa meant was to grow. In Europe at that time, that is all there was. Okay. So he was basically tagging good plants as like a, hey, put this in your garden kind of thing. That's what it would mean. If a plant had... They were growing it either for the seed, probably for the fiber.

38:52SpeakerOkay. So now, so all these different plants are called the same thing, sativa. When he was doing this selection of cannabis back in, you know, what would have been the 18th century, was he not looking for environmental varieties? Wasn't rope, cloth, paints, varnishes, canvas, what was important to them? Absolutely. That is what was important to them. So all Sativa, so realiztically, Sativa was industrial cannabis. It's because they were not selected for the resin.

39:24SpeakerThe drug varieties, Wideleaf and Narrowleaf, came from the Far East, either India or the areas north and west of India, like Afghanistan, Pakistan. So you're right, because the word Indica literally means of or like India. Is that correct? Yes, but really the wide leaf varieties that everybody called indica were not really mostly from India. A little bit in Kashmir, but really they're more from northern Pakistan, northern Afghanistan, and the countries north of that area.

40:06SpeakerThe best passion used to come from Yarkand. But can I point something out? You go back a couple few hundred years in Pakistan and Afghanistan were part of India.

40:18SpeakerI'm not sure Afghanistan was ever part of India. The Afghans would have disagreed on that. Remember what they did to the Brits? I love you. The map, though, that I saw of your razor going back, I mean, in time. Pakistan was absolutely for sure. And parts of Afghanistan the Brits said they controlled, but I don't think they really did any more than the present government of Afghanistan controls Afghanistan.

40:44SpeakerRight. You know what? Can I be a real weirdo though and bring you back to the Silk Road when Columbus was obviously looking for a path to India? Don't you think that we're bringing back what we call drug varieties now? From where to where? Well, it wasn't, he was coming from Spain to India. The whole thing I was taught was Columbus was trying to find a shorter route to go to India.

41:08SpeakerI assumed to buy shit.

41:10Collin PalmerRight.

41:12Etienne FontanA water route because as opposed to the land route, which was the silk trail or the hash trail, as Rob said, because the silk made the hash.

41:20SpeakerEven if all he was doing was moving hashish or the traders after him. If you open up enough finger hash from cashmere, you find a seed or two. I guarantee it. So now going to India with this. So when you get into the reality that from Pakistan over the Hindu Kush mountains and all the way south to the peninsula was India. And India has what is called Indica products.

41:48SpeakerSo that means everything we smoke, everything we use as a drug is Indica. It's just that in India, it ranges from wide leaflet plants to narrow leaflet plants that all get really, really high. There's really not very many wide-leaf varieties, only in the very far north. I wouldn't be surprised if they were brought from Afghanistan and Pakistan. I think India basically is a narrow-leaf drug country. Even Nepal, when you go up into Nepal, I mean, they're a bit wider.

42:23SpeakerThey look more like Thai, which there can be skinny Thais, but most Thais are actually fairly large, wide leaves. I mean, not wide like Afghanistan where they overlap each other. But you understand. Yeah, I do. I've always felt that what we were really trying to describe when we were growers talking about it was a northern plant and an equatorial plant. A northern plant that grows fast and makes dense buds so that it can protect seeds from cold nights.

42:49SpeakerAnd then equatorial plants, which are loose and spindly and can dissipate high moisture areas really well. So I felt like what we were trying to describe was the way it was growing. And for the people who were not growing, they were trying to describe it as the way it made them feel. Well, in general, I'd say tropical ones have the potential to have much better flavors and taste to me than the wide leaf drug varieties.

43:21SpeakerA lot of those are almost like medicinal, narcotic. They're, yeah, I don't know. It's just, maybe it's my cup of tea also. Could you, you know, Jeff just brought up in the chat, Ruderalis. Can you tell us the history of this plant? Well, I don't know if Ruderalis is a true variety or just escaped hemp. Hopefully DNA analysis would show that. If people have a DNA of a Ruderalis that they collected themselves so they know where it's from, then, uh, People like Rob and I could maybe try to find out was industrial hemp grown in that area and try to compare the industrial hemp variety with the ruderalis because also too, I know it may also be wild in some places and not introduced by man, but I doubt it because, for example, Fanola had parents that were almost auto.

44:29SpeakerAnd which implies it had ruderalis type genes in it. But I don't think it was there 15,000 years ago when everything was all ice and everything. I think it was brought by man within the last 5,000 years. But I don't know and I don't have proof. And I wish we could test every land race and every population in the world to try to start to answer these questions.

44:57Etienne FontanGW had come out or there was discussion or GW Pharmaceuticals was working on a classification of the combination of the two and calling it Rasta, Cannabis Rasta as opposed to Cannabis Syndica. That never seemed to take hold or I haven't heard much further.

45:22SpeakerThe reason you never heard about it is because GW is a bald head, man. So Jeff actually asked if indica, it could have been from Afghanistan varieties that were brought to Russia and maybe when they went feral they became weedy because they probably selected themselves through acclimatization to a short little plant that would survive rather than something big. But plants do not become high in THC. Or High and Integrity, without the hand of man.

45:57SpeakerHand of man is what makes High THC. But Ruderalis isn't known. Ruderalis, I've never, I've honestly never seen Ruderalis in my life. And I don't know of anyone with a cutting or some seeds I can get them from, so I've always thought it was bullshit. But I always thought it was like a weedy variety that could have escaped. It's low THC, but the reason people were using it Thank you for joining us.

46:48SpeakerThe last few weeks should be frosting out, but these don't do that.

46:54Etienne FontanIt was my understanding that ruderalis was originally found on the roadside in Russia. Is that correct or incorrect?

47:00SpeakerWell, no, it's been found all kinds of places, and some people say it's its own variety, and other people say that it's escaped from the hand of man, and it just hasn't been cultivated forever. And the further north you go, the more likely it will be auto, otherwise it wouldn't survive.

47:17Etienne FontanCorrect. Because I know that, I mean, it grows throughout Russia. I mean, well, I mean, because when I was back 20 years ago dealing with hemp, we were offered all this cheap Ukrainian hemp, and it turned out it was all irradiated from Chernobyl. So very aware of cannabis that does grow in Russia.

47:35SpeakerYeah, but that Ukrainian hemp was really good to make glow-in-the-dark blankets. Yeah.

47:42Etienne FontanWell the problem is it's really good hemp and that's the problem is it was so cheap that we sent somebody with a rad meter and they hit it and they were like oh shit it went off and that's how we realized that we didn't want it but that's you know I always wondered about how far back you know because I used to have the theory that it goes back to Gondwanaland but since it was never really found naturally in North America that kind of has killed my my idea but I If you look how India separated from Australia, and I wonder when Gondwanaland, as it was a landmass, at what point did cannabis appear?

48:17Etienne FontanWe don't know.

48:18SpeakerWe have no... No, but what we do have is certain records of either seeds, fibers, pollen. So if you look at Rob Clark's book, Cannabis... Evolution in ethnobotany, or maybe it's the other way around, ethnobotany and evolution. You can see he's got records of all the oldest cannabis finds, whether it be fiber or seeds or pollen, because one of the oldest surviving things they find are layers in mud in the bottoms of lakes or redding ponds that has pollen in it or seeds.

49:06SpeakerYeah, I was actually looking for marijuana the first 12,000 years when it was written the oldest artifacts were 12,000 years old around cannabis. What are the oldest artifacts now, Sam? I'm not sure, but I've heard, you know, 20,000 almost years, but I haven't read the actual paper and I don't know. If some of the claims are true. But they don't find it outside of the old world.

49:40SpeakerThey didn't find any in North or South America or Central America that was pre-Columbus. Right. There's no cannabis that's indigenous to the Americas. Is that correct? To my knowledge, yeah. And it's such an important plant that because you can use it for food, you can use it for medicine, you can use it for fibers, that it wouldn't have just gone by the wayside. I mean, those people tried everything in every way and saved the winners.

50:16SpeakerRight. Can I ask you about frosting up? When you're talking about that, like with skunk one, how much of the resin is put on in the final weeks of flowering? Well, I wish I could prove it, but I can't because what you really need to do is have two identical clones that grow exactly, exactly the same so that you could harvest them at different times. But I would estimate maybe 25%.

50:46SpeakerOf the total weight. Of the total weight. When it's a dry, mature plant. In other words, if you harvest it a few weeks earlier, like three, four weeks earlier, then it'll be considerably less heavy. Right, right. So how much further past the point of seeing the pistols turn red and wither? It's all dependent on the variety. I mean, some you might want to pull before they've all turned red.

51:17SpeakerOther ones are maybe better two, three weeks after. What you have to do is grow it enough times under slightly different conditions and pick them at different conditions. And then you say, wow, this is the way I like it.

51:31Etienne FontanRight, when I used to work for a friend of ours, he grew skunk number one, and he picked it at six and a half weeks, because that's where he liked the effect. I didn't like that personally. I'm a ten-weeker. Yeah, I'm toward the nine to ten-weeker, and I used to clown him all the time regarding his cannabis, but that's how he liked it, and that's how he did it.

51:52SpeakerRob liked it a week or two earlier, too. He said it was sweeter and more up.

51:59Etienne FontanThat's what he said. It was more of an up. It wasn't more for the flavors, more for the high.

52:04SpeakerRob told me a long 20 million years ago, he told me that he liked varieties that flower quickly harvested early because it mimicked the effects of the varieties that flowered longer and he liked them going later. And he said the effects were similar in psychedelic because he liked that kind of wow feeling instead of the sedative. I think what he's trying to do is retain the majority of the monoterpenes because the longer you let it go, you know, they're gone.

52:43SpeakerNot gone, but, I mean, they're slightly reduced. Rob, Rob, we're talking about Rob Clark, author of Marijuana Botany, Hashish, and more recently Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany. And I'll be picking him up in the next couple weeks. So we'll have him on Hash Church one of these Sundays coming up in June. I'm most positive. That's if they let him out of jail in Australia. Right, inciting people to grow cannabis no less, right?

53:13SpeakerThat's hilarious. And we were not talking about autoflowerings. We were actually talking about skunk number one, and it's a variety that Sam bred. When did you start breeding skunk one? When did I? In the early 70s. Did it originally smell like a skunk? Absolutely, it did. All the plants smelled quite skanky, skunky. Right, no, I think that's totally cool. And what was, can I ask you? What I found out was... How did it happen?

53:49SpeakerWhat's this? What's breathing parents? The sweeter ones were more up. And I like that better. I like the taste better. I like the effects better. And I like the more up better. So, you know, after 10 years of using a population of several hundred plants a year, It was able to pretty easily shift it towards what I liked. So why the number one? Because there was a bunch of skunks.

54:26SpeakerIn other words, there were several other people who had pot they were calling skunk-like. So I called mine skunk number one so people could easily identify it. But that was herbal pot, not seeds.

54:47Etienne FontanDid you have any art designs? Like back in the day, some people did put art in their herb. Did you put any art in your herb at all or it was just herb?

54:55SpeakerNo, because I never moved herb. I only sold seeds. Oh, I love it. And he did. The Sacred Seeds was his label because that was the first seed company. What year did Sacred Seeds start? 1975.

55:12SpeakerI was all of five. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah, I remember because when I dropped off a kilo of seeds at your house, you just threw them out in the backyard. Well, I was five. What did you expect of me? But I caught on later. Someone in the room asked, what are amber trichromes?

55:33SpeakerWhat about amber trichromes? Well, when I'm growing and I start seeing amber trichromes, it's usually because of damage to the trichrome heads. How far along, or would be a better question, do all varieties, after a while, is the life of a trichrome, that it grows, it produces the resinous head, and then at some point, does that head pop? Because that is, it's what we're seeing when we see amber is oxidation.

55:58SpeakerThey split more than they pop, but... That said, they all turn colors. Under artificial lights, they barely turn colors or they turn more white or very light yellow. In a greenhouse, they will turn light tan to light reddish with enough time. Outdoors, they'll do it wham, bam, thank you, ma'am, reddish. But it also depends on the variety. Some are just much more susceptible to color change.

56:30Etienne FontanI didn't know wham bam thank you ma'am was an actual color, but that's good to know.

56:33SpeakerNo, that's an agricultural term.

56:36Etienne FontanIt's definitely a scientific term.

56:39SpeakerBut I've had a lot of varieties that I've had gone late indoors that have not had amber resin glands. And I just assumed it was because it wasn't any environmental. Because it's the artificial light. Get it under a UV source and bang. And over a little bit of time it'll oxidize. Because really what we're seeing is oxidization of the oils. Yes, that's basically the honest truth.

57:03Etienne FontanAnd it's basically it's growing from the inside and splitting it as it grows, correct?

57:10SpeakerYou're talking about the contents of the resin head?

57:14Etienne FontanCorrect.

57:16SpeakerYeah, but they don't all break. They don't all split. They don't all rupture because you can get them and if you dry your herb for a couple of weeks and cure it for three months, They're fairly impervious to being dry sifted. Whereas if you try certain other varieties, even after that long, they're greasy. I mean, they make dry sifting a bloody nightmare. Right, so it's really, it's variety specific to say the least.

57:50SpeakerYeah, there's a lot of different kinds of resin heads, absolutely true. That's incredible. When you start thinking about it along those lines. So now, are all the terpenes or some of the terpenes all found inside of the trichrome head? As far as I know, yes, I've heard tiny bits of terpenes are produced in leaf or stem material, but I don't know that for a fact. I just heard it.

58:15SpeakerWhereas I know the vast, vast majority are produced inside the resin head. So I've photographed, and I'll do it some more, the stems, and stems have very small resin heads on them that I'm sure are all bursting. I mean, I've done photos with heat of buds, and you can see where the heads have melted, and it looks like hair. And I'm not disagreeing with you, Todd, because I had a variety that even after drying for two weeks, curing for three months, All you had to do was drop the buds into a plastic Ziploc and it just greased up the sides because the stuff just, you know, it didn't dry.

59:04SpeakerIt was just practically liquid. No, it's funny. Jeff asked about Tangy and Sour Diesel, and Soma specifically, New York Sour Diesel, being bad hash makers. You know, it's funny he says that because Tangy is really a shitty producer, but it smells great and it's fun to smoke. I like the flowers, but he's so right. And then it also comes through dark. I mean, I think that is just, from what I was understanding on Shadow, the What do you call it?

59:37SpeakerShatter is just myrcene. Isn't that right? The golden color we see in shatter is the terpene myrcene.

59:48SpeakerSam? What was that? The color we see when we see shatter, like that golden color of shatter, is actually myrcene. It's myrcene? Yeah, that's what I was told. Yeah, but myrcene doesn't have any color. well okay if anyone can answer that i'd love to know um dark and low percentage yeah so some varieties just do you know and some varieties obviously are really great i mean that's the weird of it you really got to find the varieties that work for the situation you're using them for because cannabis Whenever I see somebody trying to generalize what cannabis will do, I always think, wow, they have very little experience.

1:00:32SpeakerBecause in my experience, cannabis always surprises me. The varieties are as different as my friends. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, there's medical, there's recreational, there's spiritual, Cannabis use. And there's also industrial, which, I mean, there's what, 25,000 different industrial products that cannabis can be used for. 50,000. Okay, well, I was cutting it in half because I had already mentioned recreational and medical. Fair enough.

1:01:07SpeakerWhatever, you got the picture. You know, it's interesting right now because I was reading a great article about all the cases that were purged because of Prop 64 passing and the article that went around the United States was about convictions go up in smoke in California. Pot convictions go up in smoke because now in California, it's a misdemeanor. If you're non-medical and you get caught growing, it can be two plants or 2,000 plants.

1:01:32SpeakerYou're only going to get charged with a misdemeanor.

1:01:36Etienne FontanBut you can legally grow six plants as an adult here in California now.

1:01:39SpeakerYou can legally grow six, but if you, so if you grow seven to 2,000, you can only be charged as a misdemeanor. And if you're medical, they don't even know what to say. I saw in the news online that some farms in, it was either Sonoma or Mendocino got busted in the last few days because they had several thousand plants. Yeah, I think you're still going to see enforcement.

1:02:07SpeakerAnd the Sheriff's Department up in Mendocino and areas of Humboldt, you know, basically were stating that they're going to enforce the new laws as vigorously as they enforced prohibition. It was not illegal grow. They were just going for it. Yeah, and you know, look, right now it's hard. The state hasn't passed out one license to anybody under the new current system, so none of the localities have been able to, because first you're going to have to get your state license and you're going to have to get your local license.

1:02:33SpeakerSo, you know, people are trying to get in place right now, but nobody actually has a license yet. There are people like, you know, BPG, for instance, that are licensed on a local level, but that's always been a defiance of the state in a way.

1:02:48Etienne FontanCorrect. And now we're waiting on because now to have a state license, you have to be locally licensed and okayed. And those that were out by a certain amount of time will be the first ones to have permits. But it's definitely a step in the right direction. And look, I was glad to read that article and see more people get their records expunged. And I saw people are doing classes now where they can teach people how to actually get your Thank you for joining us.

1:03:33SpeakerHave them file a motion and then they ask for a hearing date and they'll go in and then your lawyer will make an argument as to why your charges should be amended to reflect what is the current charges, which are very low or if nothing. So they'll move to dismiss. I patented a new variety called expunged. That would be a great one. You know, but, you know, this is a step in the right direction because so many people have had their lives affected with felony convictions.

1:03:59SpeakerThere's a movement called Ban the Box. And what that's about is when you go to try to get a job, there's a little box that says if you've been convicted of a felony. And, you know, for a lot of people that aren't self-employed or growing their own herb or doing whatever they're doing, that destroys their life. It's a hurdle that any... It used to, Todd. I think those days are over.

1:04:23SpeakerWell, you know, I definitely, for people that are involved in cannabis, I hope so. I mean, it breaks my heart to see how cannabis has had, you know, cannabis families in the communities have had their worlds ripped apart because we were criminals when otherwise we were not. The biggest way to judge it might be to look 10 years ago, how many public cannabis people were there? Now look today, there's a million.

1:04:51Etienne FontanNo, there's millions, but, you know, that's California. That's the West Coast. This isn't Oklahoma. This isn't Louisiana. This isn't Tennessee.

1:05:00SpeakerLet's get it legal there. Then it will be. Yeah, it's going to get legal there. I mean, I think that the people in office are, well, yeah, Feinstein. What's up with that, ATN? That would be something to bring up. Holy shit. That was a completely 180. Feinstein, for those of you watching, has been an absolute opponent of cannabis, medical cannabis, for years. And now she just took a complete turnaround and they're putting out a completely different stance on the whole thing, looking for research onto the values of medical cannabis.

1:05:35Etienne FontanYeah, Feinstein Grassley, that's what it's called. It's only for CBD. Yeah, but it's a start. You got to understand is that Feinstein has been the most staunch prohibitionist to cannabis and anything cannabis.

1:05:50SpeakerI understand that crystal clear, but it's still, it's only CBD. So she's not letting the drug genie out of the bottle. She's only allowing CBD cannabis.

1:06:04Etienne FontanCorrect.

1:06:04SpeakerFor a lot of indications, we know THC and CBD is more effective than CBD alone.

1:06:10Etienne FontanCorrect. But it's a huge crack in the prohibitionist ceiling that is Feinstein that she actually introduced that. So it's a shift. Remember, it's a foot in the door, even though the CBD is a start. It's going to... It's spur further on. We've seen these states that just went with CBD only legislation of now going in and amending it and allowing in cannabis or starting to. So I agree it is only CBD, but it's one, it's the most staunchest prohibitions we've had to deal with.

1:06:45Etienne FontanThat's a Democrat switching. And then secondly, it's more education out there that people realize that there are And is medical use of cannabis, even if it's different from how they were thought and told and the ha ha, you're just doing it to get high.

1:07:00SpeakerThe other good thing about it is I assume the research will find out something positive.

1:07:06Etienne FontanWell, we're seeing that now with THC and CBD. It'd be interesting to see. I just got the IACM news, and the top thing is that cannabidiol effective against epilepsy and Dravet syndrome. So we see, you know, it does have medicinal use, but we need more studies.

1:07:29SpeakerWell, you know, the studies should happen, but people are, I mean, we have been, you know, honestly using it ourselves and finding relief for decades, which is why this movement has grown so large. I mean, if it wasn't for cannabis actually really working, we wouldn't all be advocating for it.

1:07:48Etienne FontanWow. And this is also from the New England Journal of Medicine.

1:07:52SpeakerBy the way, they're all going to have to come around when you look. I feel like that the writing is on the polls because when you see a conservative state like Florida, when it comes to voters, Florida has always been a conservative state. And when you see 71 percent of the voting pool voting for medical cannabis, even the most conservative politicians have to take note about that and realize that if they oppose this, They are opposing 71% of the opinion, the populist opinion in Florida.

1:08:23SpeakerThat's huge.

1:08:25Etienne FontanThat just completely shifted the dynamics because it, and as we were talking the other day, it's a reason why people like Feinstein are changing their suits is they realize that, oh, I'm going against the electorate as well as against history. I need to change my position. Even though it's a soft pedal direction, it's still a significant change in direction. And somebody like that, again, it's, she holds, she is a rock that causes ripples, you know, because I always

1:08:55SpeakerThis is her and the old white guy in a suit.

1:08:59Etienne FontanPretty much.

1:09:02SpeakerYeah, and those people, yeah, I just don't know if they're going to change. I think not. But I see it like this. It's just like, you know, seeing a barometer shift. There's going to be a change in the weather, and that's really what I think it indicates. I am not a fan of a lot of the people and authors. I've always felt like, you know, look, we've been battling this for a quarter century since I met Jack.

1:09:27SpeakerThis has been an uphill battle the whole way. And you've been at it even longer, dealing with the hypocrisy and idiocracy of governments and even of professionals. People who consider themselves educated are ignorant about cannabis.

1:09:46Etienne FontanWillfully ignorant even.

1:09:48SpeakerWillfully ignorant. Well, they're dogmatic is the problem. They don't want to change. And now they're going to have to because I think more and more people are actually sharing the information. Our smartphones are really playing a pivotal role in educating.

1:10:05Etienne FontanYou also saw Sanjay Gupta and others now has changed their also perspective, which also has quite an influence and has had a large ripple effect. On doctors and professionals that before, you know, remember it was Dr. Todd McCoria and Frank Lucido had to actually sue the government back in the 96, 97 because just to have that doctor confidentiality to discuss medical cannabis, the government tried to take that away from them.

1:10:35Etienne FontanSo even doctors had to become activists. Professionally, because their licenses were threatened and they were actually harassed by the Office of Drug Control bullshit.

1:10:47SpeakerLook at the California Medical Association. It went after Dr. Todd McCorea. It went after Dr. Eidelman. It went after the guys that were initially pushing for legalization and medicalization of cannabis to be taken seriously. So they literally attacked their own. And, you know, Dr. Todd McCorea always pointed out that he felt like he had taken an oath and to basically be truthful and do the right thing and heal people.

1:11:13SpeakerAnd he had to follow that and that their policy was destroying lives and destroying people. And once you realize that, you absolutely have to fight against it.

1:11:24Etienne FontanAnd that's what we saw. And that was a beautiful thing to actually witness and very empowering to us patients because we were also afraid and wondering if now that this type of encroachment, is it now going to come into my doctor's visit? And it took the doctor's strength and resolve and their own money to actually stand up and fight so that the rest of America could realize that, oh, I can actually talk about this as a doctor with my patient and not have to actually be threatened.

1:11:53SpeakerI mean, that was really a major standout from the professionals and the doctors and the true empaths that really saw... To explain the problem, they basically threatened Dr. MacAurea with taking away his doctor's license if he discussed or prescribed or recommended cannabis.

1:12:17Etienne FontanCorrect. And he said, bullshit, fuck you. And he lawyered up. And the awesomeness that is Dr. Todd McCrea, that all of us that were blessed to be touched and were ever around him, he was a kooky and nutty fellow. But he stood and knew his rights and knew where his constitution was and always had it on him and was easily able to stand up and not only stand up but to eloquently not only convey the message but so beautifully insult them with wonderful words along the way that they would have no idea that they were being insulted.

1:13:01SpeakerYou understand he was the head of the first, I believe it was the NIDA Cannabis Research Organization in the, I think, 67, 68.

1:13:12Etienne FontanAnd my first meeting in 93 when I went to the first CAN meeting, Dr. Todd McCorea was there and he held up that book and As a veteran who was hunting for one information or research, this is again pre-internet, so there was no going to PubMed and looking something up. It was trying to find people in periodicals. And not only that, here was the periodical in his hand, and this is the guy who wrote it because he was involved in gathering the research since before I was even born.

1:13:42Etienne FontanAnd so for me, it was, you know, for me, there was my Jesus Christ. There was my savior. There's the guy I was looking for who had the information, who wasn't afraid to talk about it. Three was so, I mean, there was no really better, well-versed individual at the time. Thank you for joining us.

1:14:16Etienne FontanAt my time dealing with my Gulf War Syndrome, which is, you know, still very, you know, and still is very one of the actual causes, he was the doctor who said, okay, let's document this, let's understand it, let's look at your use of medical cannabis alongside with it. In such a natural and organic and as if life breath were everything, for me, after being physically kicked out of the VA multiple times, it was finally coming home for the first time.

1:14:47Etienne FontanAnd I can never thank Dr. Todd enough for his knowledge, his expertise, but his compassion, his empathy. He was such a nice guy and he had such a deep connection Relaxing voice that you could also, it was, he was perfect. I mean, I know he wasn't perfect as a human. We're all human, but just as that.

1:15:12SpeakerHe was a very inspirational person to me too. And I met him, I was blown away. I had gotten his book at Jack's house. And it had so much information in it. And then when I met him, he was just so full of energy. I mean, that's the one thing about Jack. And Dr. Todd McCorea. They both really pissed you off when they explained everything to you.

1:15:34SpeakerThey really fired you up and made you want to go do something about what they really made you feel like was stolen from you. Information that you should have been able to learn in school. You didn't have the opportunity to learn. And then they would, they would, then they told the government being they tell you you're a criminal for pursuing it.

1:15:54SpeakerYou know, can I ask a little bit about this? I want to ask about haze, Sam. When did you first see haze? Let me think. It must have been 1970.

1:16:08SpeakerAnd it was called haze? Yes. And it was called the haze. It was grown by a grower up in the Santa Cruz Hills. And then... He moved down to Santa Cruz and him and a friend of his both grew it. And his friend is the one who made the poster, the original Hayes, which had an eagle on it. It was pretty well known. I mean, it was in this underground.

1:16:37SpeakerIt was well known. And, uh, So that went on for maybe another decade or so until the end of the 70s.

1:16:48Etienne FontanWhat drew you to the haze? What about it?

1:16:51SpeakerIt was the finest cannabis I ever smoked in my life. It was just, I mean, there was purple haze and there was silver blue and there was green and so there was a bunch of different colors and they had slightly different terpene smells. I mean, I can remember one that smelled just exactly like root beer and I can smell other, yeah, whatever. The end effect was, it was frighteningly strong.

1:17:18SpeakerI mean, I would see people take one puff up a joint and they would turn white and fall down. Wow. Well, you had it for a while. What's that?

1:17:30SpeakerHaze often has higher THC levels than what we call Indica's. I think it might have slightly high THC levels, but it also just has the right terpene combinations. Terpene modulation is key. Yeah, I mean, because with the right kind of haze, the effects, there is no ceiling. So every time you take a puff, you get higher. It's, you know, most cannabis, you reach a point where, I mean, you could smoke more and you'll get more stone, but you won't get higher.

1:18:09SpeakerWhat were the countries of origin of haze? Do you know? Yeah, it's Colombian. It was gold Colombian, punta rojos, red Colombian, which would be pretty dark, and that made purple. And there was also a colored Colombian. So it was three different pure Colombian lines. That he saved from, you know, really good Colombian smoke his buddies brought. And then he crossed those three without, he wasn't a breeder, he was a grower.

1:18:43SpeakerSo he grew them, crossed them, and within a few years, they, during that time, they had F1 vigor like crazy. Giant flower bracts covered with resin. And then it became sort of inbred. And to really bring out the best in Hayes, you almost have to cross it with something else to make a hybrid because that restores vigor. And it can be some pretty amazing hybrids I've seen out there.

1:19:14SpeakerNeville's Hayes is actually a hybrid with Northern Lights. I think he backcrossed it twice to Hayes. So it's mostly Hayes, but it's We've got enough Northern Lights in it to give it serious hybrid vigor, and people like it a lot.

1:19:28Etienne FontanHow tall did those original hazes grow, or how long did he veg them, or just throw them right out there?

1:19:36SpeakerWell, they were growing under sunlight in a greenhouse, so they were not more than about 10 feet tall, but a lot of times, too, I would have a haze sitting in a container, and Because you could pull, say, skunk by the end of September or beginning of October.

1:20:04Etienne FontanHey, Todd, what was that haze that grew up to that third story that I was at at the castle?

1:20:10SpeakerWell, you know, back then it would have been something I got from Neville because it was when I was home from Amsterdam. And, um, Neville had given me haze when we played chess and he gave me seeds when we played chess. But I mean, Neville, in all reality, he got his haze collection from you, Sam. Isn't that correct? Yes, that's correct. What year did you get Neville's haze seeds?

1:20:36Speaker85. Oh, wow. So quite a while ago. Wow. So when did you start growing haze? 70...

1:20:49Speaker76, 77? I'm not sure. In the mid-70s.

1:20:58SpeakerThank you. I never really bred haze. What I did was I tried to preserve as many genes by keeping as many males and females around so that I wasn't losing the genes. But they definitely got watered down because the original ones were way, way better. It's pure haze. And With enough plants grown, you can do good selection or you have to make hybrids with it. And then it's amazing because, for example, you can have a haze, which is say 10% THC, and you cross it with a skunk, which is 16, 17 at the very best percent THC.

1:21:47SpeakerAnd children pop out that are 23%.

1:21:51Etienne FontanSam, you've lived this history and you've watched it happen and you're watching it change and you're watching it change before your eyes now. So you've seen the, you know, you've been one of the perpetrators of genetics. Where do you see these bastardizations and where do you see cannabis going now that the, um, Everything has been released. You know, everything is out there in the ether. We've got all these bastards.

1:22:19Etienne FontanWe don't have these F1s anymore.

1:22:21SpeakerWhere do you see things going? That's not true. I mean, you can still try to find land race genetics. I mean, it's just not true at all. And some people preserve and keep pretty good land race genetics. So those are unique and different. And if you cross an Afghan with a Thai or an Afghan with an equatorial. Then you're probably going to get some interesting F1 to do selections from.

1:22:49SpeakerRight, there's still a lot. And if that doesn't create enough selections, variety for your selections, make F2s out of the F1s. I guarantee you'll see every breakdown possible between them. Right. The mother and father, I mean.

1:23:06Etienne FontanBut that still doesn't answer, where do you see it going? I know where you'd like to see it going.

1:23:12SpeakerI really don't know. I mean, last time I looked, there was like 100 seed companies. Now I know there's got to be 500. And if there's 500 seed companies, how many of those people are, I mean...

1:23:34SpeakerHow many are truly competent to be able to understand genetics and proper seed conservation, preservation, or making good dependable hybrids? But I will admit, with what we do have, it has worked for a lot of people. And, you know, lots of people out there really like the plants they have, whether they made them themselves or they bought them from a shop. So, you know, really what you're saying is a lot of these, if they're, you know, are shuffling from the same deck and they're all working with... Well, you know, the most popular way to make seeds today is you find a really good clone that somebody has, a female.

1:24:23SpeakerThen you find another female and then you STS it, one of them, and you make male pollen with that, cross it to the other one. Because if you're crossing really good clones, the odds are if you're crossing two really good female clones, the odds are the progeny will probably be at least good to really good to maybe even great. So it's easy, it's fast, but it creates this interrelated multi-poly hybrid.

1:25:00SpeakerRight. And less and less people have unique varieties and are making pure F1s.

1:25:07Etienne FontanWell, we just saw that with the Khalifa Hayes. They just gene mapped it and found out it's just Hayes. It's not, you know, all he did is just put his necessary name on it. So I think we're going to see an unfortunate proliferation of bad genes out there or misrepresentation of genetics out there.

1:25:25SpeakerNone of the genes are bad. No, no, I'm not saying that.

1:25:27Etienne FontanI'm just saying it's just we're not, as he's saying, we're not seeing competent breeders breeding as much as you're seeing just people just taking what's already out in the ether, doing some minor tweakings, and then saying it's their genetic and then putting it out there.

1:25:41SpeakerI think the most popular thing is if somebody has a straight male-female variety, they will grow some females of it, sell it, and then sell all-female blah-da-blah weed, which the name really belongs to somebody else. Sam, what year did Flying Dutchman start? What's that? Do you remember the Flying Dutchman? Yes. Ben ended up buying them. Do you remember what year they began? Uh...

1:26:12SpeakerI remember me. Sometime in the 90s, but I think the early 90s, but I don't remember exactly. Maybe it was 94, 5. I really don't know. Somewhere between 92 and 5, I guess. Yeah, so the haze they had most likely came from Sensi and Ben and Neville because Ben ended up buying the Flying Dutchman afterwards. No, that's not true. Isn't that the one on the red light that's open with the light on?

1:26:43SpeakerWhat's that? Yeah, I think it is true. Go ahead. You don't think that Ben bought the Flying Dutchman? No, I think Ben did find the Dutchman. I'm just saying they weren't getting their seeds from Neville. The haze, you mean? Oh. None of their seeds. Oh, okay, because somebody brought up that they had pure haze, and I was thinking, well, I was trying to think of when the Flying Dutchman started, and I figured they started after 85.

1:27:10SpeakerThey started after Neville, of course. So where did they get the seeds from? Because at that time, the only source of haze seeds was you and Neville. Yes, except for that the owner of the Plain Dutchman is Eddie Rediker, and he's a good friend of mine. I couldn't remember Eddie's name to save my life, yeah. I met Eddie when I first went to the Cannabis Cups in 94 and 95.

1:27:34SpeakerHe's a really nice old cannabis warrior. He is. And they put the light in the window in the corner, so when you're walking down the street, there's a 600-watt high-pressure sodium with light. It's just really great. And Ben continued it, actually. It's still there today, I believe.

1:27:55Etienne FontanHere's an interesting thing in the ICM Journal, that capsaicin was useful in the treatment of cannabis hypermesis. I've seen other articles over the last decade.

1:28:26SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:28:54Etienne FontanThe nelloid, V-A-N-I-L-L-O-I-D-1 receptor may be involved in this syndrome. In 13 patients with this syndrome, the authors applied capsaicin, which binds to the TRPV1 and to the skin, which resulted in improvement of their symptoms. And this is from UMass Medical School out of Worcester. Worcester, pardon me, did I pronounce Worcester there, Todd? That's right. You've never been to the Worcester Center? I've been to Worcester. I pronounced it wrong the whole time I was there.

1:29:28Etienne FontanI call it Worchester. You're actually trying to say what you saw. Exactly. Well, that's how I'm from Louisiana. It's the same thing down there. Champagne, Champagne, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, I feel you.

1:29:41SpeakerSo can I ask you, Sam, when you were growing haze, how long did you let a lot of those varieties grow, like the haze by haze? Oh, every different one was different. I mean, I'm talking from like Christmas to April the 1st, under natural photo period in Santa Cruz. Wow. Protected in a greenhouse. Wow. So what's the longest flowering time you've ever seen for a cannabis plant?

1:30:11SpeakerI think one of those, April 1st was what I called joke weed. I mean, it was really good. It was actually really nice cannabis, but I mean, April the fucking 1st, give me a break. So you're saying this as a greenhouse grower, you're saying usually you would harvest in October, November, December? I planted it probably October.

1:30:37SpeakerSo how many weeks? So like when you break down, so is 16 weeks of indoor flowering the longest a plant would flower for? What's the longest indoor flowering time a plant would have? If skunk finishes flowering in about eight weeks? I don't know. Maybe, maybe, yeah, I'm not sure. But I was thinking like 25 or something. 25 weeks, wow.

1:31:06SpeakerBut it needs to be in the proper environment, you know, more like an equatorial photo period system where, you know, the lights aren't going radically different. You don't want to bring it, you know, from 12 hours or 18 hours down to 10 hours or something like that. I don't think it's good for... But you could speed up... Thank you for joining us today.

1:31:56SpeakerSo, you know, you can save a lot of time and save yourself a headache if you're growing a sea of green method. But growing in a greenhouse, but now even the greenhouses that they're light depping, it's just like, you know, these massive almost outdoor, indoor grow rooms at this point because they're able to just light depth the whole time and feed the thing plants perpetually. I think it's fantastic.

1:32:21SpeakerYeah, it's hard to use those year round in all areas though because they use lights when they, it's, if they need them, they use supplemental lights. And in a lot of areas now, agricultural lighting has to meet all kinds of state and county and city, in other words, they don't want you dumping light into the sky.

1:32:50SpeakerWhat's up, Darren? Hey, D. What's going on, guys? Can you hear me? How are you doing? Yeah, we can. You're a little quiet. Are we going to do a bong rip or what? Let's do a bong rip. Or what? How do you do that? You take the dab tool, put it in the gear, scoop it out like so, put it in the bong, apply carb cap.

1:33:15Etienne FontanWhat temperature do you run your e-nail at? I'm doing mine about 650. Yeah, 650. Todd likes his in the 500s, 550.

1:33:36Etienne FontanWhat do you like your dabs at? When you do dabs, Sam, what temperature do you do or do you do dabs?

1:33:42SpeakerWell, I can also do dry sift, but it's, I think it's 400, but maybe that's centigrade. I don't have the slightest fucking idea. I know that's what I like it at. I don't have the slightest. Well, I was doing, Pete and I were at Nara's at seven, about 710 Fahrenheit to be cute. And then it was this fucking hot on my throat. And I started doing them under, In the sixes.

1:34:13SpeakerAnd then I started waiting until the head was getting to be basically 600 or less. And I like it. Lots of flavor when it's at that point. What is 400 centigrade? I suspect that's what mine is.

1:34:28Etienne FontanThis is probably 800 to 900 or something like that.

1:34:31SpeakerReally? That high? No.

1:34:34Etienne FontanWell, you're doing dry sift. So the higher for the dry sift. I mean, unless you're doing really low puddles.

1:34:42SpeakerI thought I was doing a low one, but what do I know? Where's Mark at?

1:34:49Etienne FontanHe's at the Lyft conference. He popped in and he stepped out. I think he had to go deal with some things there, and then he's going to pop back in. That's why Todd's running the show.

1:34:58SpeakerI'm not running anything. But it's 752 degrees, sir. You should actually cool it down.

1:35:07SpeakerThat's what mine is at 752. Yeah, you should put it down to 343. That would make it 650. I had it at 350 before, but it does what I call dribble. It doesn't finish it off in a single hit. I got to take a bunch of small hits, and I prefer one big, large one. Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. At 350, you're at 662. That's why I got mine at 708 or 710 type thing.

1:35:40SpeakerI like a good, not a hot night, but less than that. 710 Fahrenheit, Sam, would be 376. I agree that lower temperatures give better taste, but they dribble on. Well, you know, I do two things with this now. So now I actually turn it on. I leave my denail now at like 900 degrees and I let it just heat all the way up to 900 and just burn off everything.

1:36:06SpeakerWe both know what we need. We need one that starts at 350 centigrade and then over the next 10 seconds it goes up to 400. We need one that starts at

1:36:24Speaker350 centigrade. And then over the next 10 seconds, it goes up to 400.

1:36:33Etienne FontanNice feedback, Darren.

1:36:35SpeakerIt starts at... You gotta turn down your volume, bro.

1:36:41Etienne FontanThat's why we use headphones, bro. The bong hit is working. I was like, wow, it's like Sam's echoing, like Sam's echoing, like Sam's echoing. It sounded vaguely familiar.

1:36:58SpeakerHow's that? Yeah, you're cool. Dude, the bong rip, man, I got kind of lost there for a second. My first one of the day. It's more of a challenge to sit here and do reps and try to actually have this conversation sometimes, though, because... I have a story. I have a story for everybody from last weekend. I entered a cup, the Okanagan Cup. I entered some dry sift, I entered some bubble hash, and I entered some bronze.

1:37:25SpeakerAnd I was the only solventless entry... At the place, the rest was all VHO and CO2 and whatever there's, there's stuff. And, uh, you know, I had a lot of really good responses from everybody and it was a really good time and I was expecting to actually, maybe I was hoping to get third place or something like that. And I didn't place at all. And the guys that did win were, they were all, all the guys that placed were all in concentrated, all solvent products.

1:38:00SpeakerAnd what I learned is that everybody really loves the solventless product. Thank you for watching.

1:38:24SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:38:43SpeakerFucking education needs to be more. I would say don't take that personally because it's not about quality, it's about popularity. And a lot of people, when they don't know what they're looking at, wouldn't know how to judge what they were looking at if they saw it. They really loved it. Every time that somebody took a toke, it was like... One guy looked at me and goes, I could fucking kiss you, man.

1:39:06SpeakerAnd I was like, dude, don't do it. But good people and everything. It was a really good time. And all the guys, the people that placed and everything, really good guys. And I think they were Venom Extracts is what they were called. Venom Extracts or Venom and Pura Vida. I think there is also a situation where it's availability, bro, because to people who grow, we see this stuff and we appreciate that very gentle resin drop.

1:39:43SpeakerIt's just incredible. But for the consumer, man, that stuff's not accessible to them. They don't see what we see, so they don't have the reverence we have. Look at what you're sitting next to, for instance. Oh, buddy. Yeah. I have this whole screen set up.

1:39:59Etienne FontanYeah. And you got to understand is that, you know, also these kids are seeing that it's easier to blast than it is to actually go through the process of dry sifting. I mean, it's a process to it. But you've also educated a great deal because you've done it firsthand, D. You've done it firsthand. And I got to give you a hell of a lot of respect for that.

1:40:17Etienne FontanBut it also shows you that, you know, more, yes, you're right. You know, more people need to learn about it. Yes, be more educational.

1:40:25SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:40:45SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:41:01SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:41:21SpeakerIt's my chosen. I like it over, honestly, even dry sift, to be honest, because you get more of it that is more of the essence of the plant than in any other way of processing. And somebody asked, why does PHO have that funny color? And it's weird because you can see propane hash oil from like a mile away, so to speak. It just tints it. It's almost, I think, like a burn, like a cold burn.

1:41:50SpeakerYeah, because propane boils off at like negative 200 or something, whereas butane boils off at like 30 degrees. So I think that it's just the way that it interacts with the oils. It's probably like a cold oxidization.

1:42:09Etienne FontanYeah, it's got to be some sort of oxidization to an extent, but it's ever so slight. It doesn't really change further, but it's definitely, as you say, you can see it a mile away.

1:42:18SpeakerYeah, I think it has a funny take to me. I'm not the biggest fan of propane-cashed oil products, to be honest. Not in its pure form. I understand that a lot of companies use it as their base, and then they do it to do their separations, like THCA or CBDA and things like that. And in that, they say it's really good because it pulls at everything. You know, the other part too with the competition is there was, it was a concentrates competition.

1:42:47SpeakerAnd in the concentrates competition, there should be different categories. And that's one of the things we're learning as well. And what we talked about with the guy that threw the event MMJ in Vernon. And they, it'll be, I'd like to do a solventless category, a shatter category, a butter category, you know, split them up a little bit, right? But all in all, man, it was a fucking incredible good time.

1:43:14SpeakerI had a great time. I lost my sunglasses at one point and they're not cheap sunglasses at all.

1:43:21Etienne FontanWell, you're also seeing competitions do this, D, where they're actually separating out. There's a BHO competition, there's a solvent list, which is good. But it also shows, yeah, Chalice does it, others, High Times now does it. Now they're separating even CBD categories now as well. So it's good that for all these different ways of producing that they are. But I've also seen a water in the secret cup that was...

1:43:48Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

1:44:06Etienne FontanGrow tons of plants and things like that, as you say, to have access to that amount of cannabis to do such things. But does it mean that we don't appreciate it in any way, shape, or form?

1:44:16SpeakerI love the shatters and the butters too, man. Like the Pura Vida guys have some flavor. This tropical fucking thunder or something like that they had was unbelievable. I went back three or four times and had a couple of bong rips off of them. It was killer. Yeah, it can be, it's, it's what we see out here is incredible. And in places like Berkeley, the city has mandatory testing.

1:44:42SpeakerSo there can't be anything over 400 parts per million. All of this, uh, BHO and tricep and everything taught. Let's just have a bong rip. Let's do it.

1:44:58Etienne FontanI can do this. Sam, are you doing your bong rip?

1:45:04SpeakerWhat did you say?

1:45:10Etienne FontanWhat are you talking on there, Sam, by the way?

1:45:13SpeakerAngie.

1:45:21SpeakerI've heard you say that quite a few times. That must be one of your favorites there. What's going on with that?

1:45:28SpeakerSam?

1:45:31SpeakerIt's pretty tasty. The effects are pretty good, and a friend of mine had a lot of it. Nice. Emphasize the last part. Yeah. The last part, yes. Oh, yeah. For sure. What do you like to smoke on, bro? What do you put in your pipe most of the time, Aaron? Well, I like rosin, and like I have my own crops, right? Like I do my own medical show, so I make my own stuff out of it.

1:46:06SpeakerAnd I love my dry sift. I like taking really good dry sift and squeezing it out and smoking it. What are your returns when you press rosin? Actually... I got like eight more questions, so... Depends on the bud that I'm using. Some is really good, some is very poor. But it all works out that you can get your money's worth. Do you have a range? On the low side, what do you see that you're disappointed with?

1:46:34SpeakerAnd how much press? Okay, so you grind it up, you stick it in your little sock. How much do you grind up? How much do you press at a time? No grinding, I just stuff the sock full of bud, stuff it, stuff it, put it in another bag, two bags, and then I put it in my little pocket. I like a hundred. You put two grams of buds, non-ground up in the bag?

1:47:00SpeakerTwo grams? No, no, about an ounce. An ounce, oh, okay. So is an ounce like 28, 30 grams? Yeah, you back. And then you squish it, and then, all right, so how much oil do you get out of an ounce of bud? Well, if I'm using a chemo hash plant cross that we got, out of an ounce of bud I could get about three to five grams out of it.

1:47:27SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:47:46SpeakerSame temperature, but I do it later on when all of them are done. I'll just blast them off and get them all done on the first presses, keep them separate, and then I'll run the other ones again. What temp do you press at, can I ask? That's a trade secret. No, I'm just kidding.

1:48:03Collin PalmerI always wanted to say that.

1:48:11SpeakerI've been, I was varying it, fuck, that was a good bong rip, so let me catch my breath, but the temperature I'm at is like 118, 117. Celsius or Fahrenheit?

1:48:30SpeakerI'm not really sure about that on that Sasquatch. You were saying, Bobby. I don't know. You know, I get so fucked up with that fucking metric system. Conversion. But the temperature I keep it on is 118. 117 is the nice. I set it for 120, 125, but it averages, stays at 117, 118. If that's it, if that's Celsius, that's at 244 degrees.

1:48:59SpeakerWell, how is it Fahrenheit though? That's that. 118 in Celsius would be 244 Fahrenheit. That sounds hot. So I have a feeling.

1:49:10Etienne FontanIt's probably been Fahrenheit.

1:49:12SpeakerYeah. I was. It's the lower the temp. It's not too hot to touch, right? If you touch it, it won't totally burn you, right? Oh, no, no, but you can't keep that up. So you're using Fahrenheit. We're going to go with 118 Fahrenheit.

1:49:24Etienne FontanI had to check this out. I had some stuff in Barcelona from this cat from Ireland who is pressing at 80 degrees Fahrenheit.

1:49:35SpeakerWell, I did that as well, and it come out like absolutely white butter.

1:49:41Etienne FontanThat's what it was.

1:49:42SpeakerAnd what a terp fucking... I don't know if it's all fats and waxes and then the terps.

1:49:49Etienne FontanBut it's tasty.

1:49:51SpeakerFucking tasty, yes. But low yield. Low yield.

1:49:55Etienne FontanOh, that's what I was going to ask. What was the yield? Because I didn't discuss yield with them.

1:49:59SpeakerYou see, when I was doing it on the temperature going higher, like... It was like, I was up to like 180 or as high as it'll go and it fucking, I pressed some hash and there's a video I had fucking on my Instagram or something somewhere on my Facebook and I showed it and it was just, the rosin was just spitting and hissing and Thank you for watching.

1:50:47SpeakerTaste to it for sure.

1:50:48Etienne FontanI kind of equate it with kind of like that popcorn, that popcorn kernel flavor.

1:50:53SpeakerYeah, I hear you, but it was a little more terpy still, but it was... It wasn't what it could be at the proper temperature.

1:51:00Etienne FontanAnd more by meeting people, it's more the aftertaste that's left in your mouth afterwards.

1:51:04SpeakerI'm kind of thinking that leaning towards squishing flour more than washing it and then pressing it than anything because you seem to get better quality product and better color and everything else.

1:51:21Etienne FontanIs that what you're finding through your experiment?

1:51:24SpeakerYep.

1:51:27Etienne FontanAnd you've been experimenting with it for a couple years now.

1:51:30SpeakerWell, you know, I have been, but, you know, I don't, I still actually don't have enough material to really experiment like I want to as well, right? We never have enough material. That's the chase, right? Right. What makes better rosin? Squished dried bud or squished dry sift? Oh, the squished stuff is like... Can I ask, what is the material that makes up the membrane around the oil of the trichrome?

1:52:10SpeakerIsn't that wax? It's natural plant wax, correct. Yeah.

1:52:19Etienne FontanThe waxy membrane, as it's known.

1:52:22SpeakerThere's also a couple of cells, maybe a half dozen or a dozen, whatever, of plant cells in the stem at the top and at the bottom. So there's a little bit of mass in that, but the resin is the weight. Can you get the oil out and separate it from the membrane? Sure, with winterizing and all that kind of stuff with your ethanol, I guess. As long as the cells were ruptured in some way, yes.

1:52:57SpeakerYou could do, for example, ultrasonic. Ultrasonic hash will be the stuff our kids are making, I'm sure, right? Ultrasonic hash. Yeah, why haven't we talked about that before, right? Ultrasonic hash, is that like there's... We used it in our laboratory where what we would do is... Dried buds that had been desiccated overnight in a desiccator, and then grind it up, put it in a tube with, say, ethanol, and then Ultrasonic, if you do it for 30 seconds, you get about 80, 85% of the THC, but you get none of the chlorophyll color, so it comes out a beautiful yellow gold color.

1:53:53SpeakerThe longer you do it, you get all the THC, but you also start getting chlorophylls, and it'll come out like a dark reddish oil. Well, you know, this is the beauty of what butane has given us, and it's been able to pull our oils without pulling the chlorophyll. So instead of getting, you know, anything with green, we're getting just the oils, just the terpenes.

1:54:22SpeakerSo it's really, really nice. With dry sift, you get the same thing, no green. But unfortunately, with a lot more work and a lot less yield, you know, that's the downside. No, I have hundreds of people working for me. That's all they do, year in and year out. Right. I always figured Santa had to... Because I smoke a lot each day.

1:54:47SpeakerNo, it's true. But, yeah, how much time do you feel like it takes you to actually make the stuff that you entered... For what I entered this last chapter, dry sift, dry sifting took me to make, to make an ounce out of two and a quarter pounds. I had to get it down to farmer, like farmer grade sift and then separate it and static tack it and everything.

1:55:16SpeakerIt took about a good 36 hours, 40 hours.

1:55:24SpeakerCan I throw this by you? You should try grinding up your material before you put that ounce in the bag because you'll expose more of the area and you'll actually probably improve your yield. And leaving it whole is trapping a lot of the oils inside of the developed flower material. And when I take the flowers apart, I normally shoot my macro shots with the inside of the flowers And not the outside, because that's where the resin glands have developed and been like unmolested, so to speak, or undamaged by the bag or fingers or whatever.

1:56:01SpeakerAnd all of that stuff that's on the inside, which is really beautiful oils, you're kind of, you know, you're trapping inside of this big sponge filter of vegetable material. You know what I'm saying? But if you ground it all up so that it was all even, you're not going to really damage the resin powder. You know that. And then you just, you know. I would say give it a shot and I would love to know if it makes a big difference ground up.

1:56:27SpeakerI've done that. I have done that. But what I like to do is I like to take the best first and then I'll water hash the rest of the product and I can wash it four or five times and get the rest of the product out of it, get a nice amount of ash and I can put that into the cooking and everything else as well. I definitely don't just get that one ounce out of the two and a quarter pounds.

1:56:51SpeakerI get one ounce of good heads. The rest goes into coconut oils and everything else, right? Can I say this, though? Dare I ask, what happens to all the pot? Like, is it just thrown away at that point? After it's been cooked off in the coconut oil or once it's been washed and everything, yeah, it's tossed, yeah. In Amsterdam in the mid-90s, the big sin that we felt a lot of people were doing was bouncing the buds before they sold them on the market.

1:57:20SpeakerYou get all these buds that were thrashed and didn't have resin on them, on the outside at least, and it was very unattractive to somebody using that. You definitely got to have a... A little microscope when you're looking at nice amounts of weed that you want to make hash out of and stuff that other people are growing that want to give to you to do this because if you can check it, look, and you can see if it's been machine trimmed or hand trimmed or any of that stuff, you can tell with that microscope that there ain't no way I would touch machine trimmed weed.

1:57:52SpeakerYou want to know if it's been machine skimmed or hand skimmed? That's right, you bet. You bet. I like untouched. You know, as someone who grows his own, I really like it to be, you know, I don't even like me touching it. You know what I'm saying? I want it to be just as it is. Yeah, and have screens under all the drying buds just for the resin heads that happen to fall at the right time and place too.

1:58:19SpeakerIt's just, I'd have a, well, I'd like to have a whole room of drying screens, but underneath the hanging buds, right? Eventually. That costs money too. Eventually it comes.

1:58:38SpeakerWhat year did you start dry sieving your flowers, Sam? 1985. What got you into dry sieving? That sounds kind of late in comparison. I had done it earlier also in California, but not to any real extent. Well, it's just that I had access to a lot of underneath what people were manicuring. So I gave them a screen. They manicured on top of it. And then I got either all, if they weren't interested, or half or whatever of the resin that was collected underneath these screens.

1:59:25SpeakerI was the first one to explain how to use these things and what they were for in the Netherlands anyway. Did you go right into particle separation equipment like the WS? Oh, I did myself, yes, because these hand screens are just too slow. I mean, you can do it much faster than that long, but first you have to have ground-up dry material, and once you have that, Then you can actually do it fairly fast.

1:59:58SpeakerBut yeah, with machines, it's hundreds of kilos a day. Right, right. With just one or two people. And when what we're talking about is if people don't get it, it's dry sifting seeds are sold by companies like W.S. Tyler's and American Standard, and they come in various mesh sizes. So I would back in the 90s when I was buying them, thanks to the information I got from Sam and Rob, I was putting up 150 mesh screens on top and 60 mesh screens on the bottom.

2:00:36SpeakerAnd what I would do is put my cannabis on the top. And in between, I would have different size sieves. And I had a machine called a rototap, which would just shake the shit out of the thing. And it was rather loud and annoying, but you put it in another room. And it would just particle separate your resin glands and it works amazing. I mean, because different harvests would give me different size resin glands.

2:01:01SpeakerDifferent varieties also, you know, some of the tropical sativas, as people call them, narrow leaf drug varieties, they have much smaller resin heads. They have really long resin heads, some of them, but they're a bit smaller. But some of them, I really like them. Yeah, no, it was the best way to do it. I actually have a small little cans. I used to give them away to my friends as gifts to turn them on to the art of dry sieving because a lot of people didn't know what they were doing or what the concept was.

2:01:37SpeakerBut when they saw the sieves in front of them and they saw me doing it, they were like, oh, that makes clean sense. There's one major obstacle to dry sieving and that's the price of raw materials. As soon as raw materials get down cheap enough, you know, When it's 100 bucks a kilo or less, then people can afford to grind up a few kilos to make enough stash to last a week or a month or whatever.

2:02:01SpeakerWell, I look forward to more and more people being able to grow their own stuff because as they do, I believe we're going to get into a situation where you're going to see this, like what Rob Clark calls farmer's hash in the hands of more people. You know, this is going to help everyone in my opinion. I think everyone will benefit from it. I think everyone will love it.

2:02:27SpeakerYou know, I actually have one of those sieves still. Hold on.

2:02:35SpeakerI had one that did the same thing, but it used ultrasonic energy.

2:02:43Etienne FontanThat would be sweet. Yeah, they have vibrators for those now. Yeah, there's the whole little setup. I remember those. You're on mute, Todd.

2:02:57SpeakerHey, the dabs, they are working. Well, look, everybody, these are WS Tyler sieves. This is the American Standard sieves I used to give to my friends. This is the 150 mesh size. And in this size, you would put even your cannabis. I have a bunch of dry sieve. And then you clean it up because then this would be your 60 mesh screen. This would be the smaller resin glands.

2:03:23SpeakerSo your resin glands are between 60 and 150 microns in size. And then this bottom one is actually the trash. This is what the little parts of plant material fall through into. And the non-glanular trichromes, the little stalks that the heads are on, dump into this over time. And this will turn green. This will be cold. I did a GC test of the three different fractions and the bottom fraction was, depending on the variety, was just one or two or three percent THC.

2:04:00SpeakerThe bottom trash fraction. And the top one was, well, there was nothing left on the top, now that I think about it. If I used whole herb or something, there was, but I dumped it off, yes. I got the sizes from Rob when he was doing the book Hashish. And that's where I got, because I asked him, what's the largest size resin gland? And he said about 150 microns.

2:04:28SpeakerThat's absolutely correct. And he said it's 60. So I went and got those sizes. But I also bought all the sizes that would fit in between. Right. No, I get the picture. Every different variety and every different growing conditions made them fraction out in different levels. And the best one was, you found it. Yeah, and then it would reveal itself in the shake. And it was great.

2:04:52SpeakerAnd you know, I recommend it to you because I see you sitting there all the time doing it. But I mean, honestly, this is what was my party gift at my house 20 years ago. And there's nothing like it. I mean because not only do you get your heads you would I would get 70 80 90 100 micron heads and it would be amazing because like I would I would liken it to apple picking when I was a kid because sometimes the three inch apples were perfect to eat but the two inch apples were like hard and good to throw at your friends and the four inch apples were squishy and had worms it was kind of like that with the resin heads and the different plants dump at different If you take pictures of it and you do just one fraction, say 100, then all of the resin heads look exactly the same size.

2:05:41SpeakerEverybody can still get these. These are available as scientific equipment. All this is, this is dry seeding particle separation equipment. That's all I'm showing you. You can pick this stuff up through catalogs. You can get it online.

2:05:55Etienne FontanAnd they're available in brass, stainless steel, and gold.

2:05:59SpeakerWhat's the purity level of the resonance? But the ones that W.S. Tyler wore, I had the brass ones that looked gold, if you remember. Yeah, I remember those. Those were usually stainless steel sieves, and then this one was the stainless steel with the stainless steel sieves. They were food grade.

2:06:21SpeakerThe purity depends on the material that you start with. If you're starting with farmer's hash, And there's a lot of leaf debris that's the same size as a resin head. It's harder to separate that. Right, because then the green material has to break up and fall down to under 60 microns in size, or it will contaminate your product. So the nicest thing to do is to do what Sam did, which was do an initial dry screen drop, take all of that resin, put it on the top of your dry seed separator, and then just separate down as it vibrates.

2:06:59SpeakerYeah, it's really the shit, to be honest. What does, that's a good question. When did static separation come into the picture, Sam? It was developed by the guy who was doing it with a first, like an envelope or a credit card, and then a DVD. And yeah, I mean, you can ask a,

2:07:35SpeakerIf Bubba now was here, he could probably give me the exact dates, but I'm not exactly aware. I can tell you. Okay, there you go. When I was doing my dry sift videos, when I was starting and learning it from Mark and Johnny, I was using... An iTunes card and whatever process that material was, was made out of. One side's a contaminant stuck to and one side resin had stuck to.

2:08:05SpeakerAnd I'd brush one side off and the other side off in separate piles and then keep cleaning. I cleaned it up really good that way, but it took a long, long time. And then there was a guy on YouTube called Mies McCallman and he tried doing it. He was, he was, he was watching the We'll be right back.

2:08:39SpeakerAnd then took his farmer's grade hash and then worked it. And as he worked it, the static on that parchment paper stuck just like the resin heads on the iTunes card, but a massive amount. Yeah, and that basically allowed the world to get hashish that's similar to the quality that I've been producing for 20 years. And it takes longer, it's a bit slower, but I've seen people who use that cassette Thank you for watching.

2:09:35SpeakerWhat I'm doing with it myself, because I took paperback books, I took Game Boy game cases, I took DVD cases, CD cases, all. I already did it with a Samsonite suitcase. Samsonite suitcase. I'm just fucking with you. You fucking killed me, Sam. That's awesome. Let's do a bong rep. It's been too long. Come on. Bong rep.

2:10:05SpeakerEverybody.

2:10:14SpeakerI think they just need to have categories because if things are judged in its own lane, you can appreciate it for what it is. It's really hard to judge, uh, cross platforms. And I think that it's not appropriate. And as much as I like the competition element, I think they're bullshit and they've always been bullshit. They don't, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:58SpeakerThat's it. I agree. You know, we talked about that at the end. You know, we're going to, next year, there's going to be a solventless category, a BHL category, stuff like that. And in Canada here, there are some incredible extract artists, dry sifts and bubble hash and rosin here in Canada that are just fucking phenomenal. So if we could get a solventless category going like that and maybe start... Not only just solventless, but you...

2:11:27SpeakerYou really want it like water hash, dry sift, rosin, mud, or the other two. I mean, that's what's really fair. Those should compete with each other. Maybe there is a solvent. Chalice does that. Secret Cup kind of did that. But, you know, even in the finals, one year water hash, Beto, BHO and all the other extractions for the number one, which surprised everybody. And it was just because it was so spectacular.

2:12:06Etienne FontanEmerald Cup also does the different categories. Speaking of, they're actually, Emerald Cup is actually throwing, as you were requesting, Todd, a summer event.

2:12:17SpeakerYeah, I think it's great for the county fair.

2:12:20Etienne FontanThe Cannabis County Fair is going to be going on at Sonoma County Fairgrounds in July, is it, Todd?

2:12:27SpeakerYes, Tim will come on, I'm sure. I'm going to send him a message again. Excuse me, everybody. And I'm sure Tim will join us before the event, maybe next week or the week after if we can get him on to talk about it. But it's up at the Hog Farm and it looks like it's going to be a blast. It's based towards organic farming and sustainability. And I applaud them for it because, you know, a lot of the people, the old timers like Tim and the people around him that helped create the Emerald Cup were all about sustainability.

2:12:59SpeakerThey were environmental stewards who really gave a shit about the land they lived on and the community they had. And I think it's been heart wrenching for them to see, you know, financial opportunists come up into their neck of the woods and start, you know, cutting down redwood trees and deforesting and polluting water and estuaries in, you know, the pursuit of profits. And this whole fair is taking on a very organic approach.

2:13:31SpeakerAnd I really think that's great because, you know, a lot of the people who I met up in Thank you so much for joining us.

2:14:05SpeakerI think it's fantastic. I hope a lot of people tune into that and tune into the fact that we as a community have to really be considerate about the environment around us as we start to expand our grow operations and bring cannabis to the masses.

2:14:31SpeakerSorry. Save the trees. What are you guys all smoking weed?

2:14:41Etienne FontanI'm smoking hash, yep. I'm doing that all diddly diddly day.

2:14:46SpeakerHey, Sam. Yes?

2:14:51Etienne FontanOh, yeah, I was going to ask a question. I saw somebody inside ask, what color was your haze, Sam? You referred to different colors earlier.

2:14:58SpeakerI have all of the above. Lime green, orange. Gold, mostly more green than gold though. And also purple and blue, silver blue. I can remember many different colors and I've tried to preserve it all, but I would say it doesn't, it's not purple black like I used to see it. I did see some bluish individuals put it that way. Wow. Bluish plants. Well, blueberries, isn't that also that way?

2:15:44SpeakerOr is it more taste and smell than color?

2:15:48Etienne FontanIt's more taste and smell than color.

2:15:50SpeakerOh, okay.

2:15:54SpeakerYeah, I'm noticing that a lot. Like there's a variety I have now called Chocolate Hashberry, and it really has overtones of chocolate and overtones of berry. It's really quite astonishing. I love it.

2:16:13SpeakerAnd I think we're going to see more and more of this kind of, you know, maybe this wasn't bred this way, but I think we're going to see more plants bred from the nuances that we can kind of tune into.

2:16:25Etienne FontanWell, you're seeing that with this, that strawberry strain that's out there as well. You know, that's a popular one.

2:16:32SpeakerYeah, picking up on the fruit tones, I think they're going to be huge. I mean, as we kind of expand the palette of cannabis by starting to select varieties that are over, you know, 8, 9, 10, 11 weeks in flowering, and that can go 12, 13, 14 weeks before we pull them, I think we're going to start experiencing different terpene selections and honestly different highs because when I got to Amsterdam and started smoking, Equatorial varieties and I realized it was like drinking an espresso.

2:17:03SpeakerI was pretty much into it. It was a great way to start my day and do a lot of cool stuff. So I'm looking forward to it. Besides different unique terpene profiles from equatorial varieties. Also, what people are doing now too is they are selecting individuals that are high, but really high in terpenes. I mean, traditional cannabis terpene level was 1% low, 2% average, 3% amazing. But now a bunch of the winners at the Emerald Cup and things like this are consistently the highest in terpenes and they're approaching more like 5%.

2:17:49SpeakerAnd if you take those individuals and you do extensive breeding with them, I've already seen reports of 10% from people who I believe. So, yeah, the future will be 5%, 10% for sure, maybe higher. You know, I was talking to Ryan about this the other day, and he was talking about the move towards organic fertilizers. He's seeing higher terpene production. If you're trying to grow cannabinoids and you're growing with synthetic fertilizers, mineral-based synthetic fertilizers, you're going to see really high cannabinoids.

2:18:23SpeakerBut when you're growing with organics, you're going to see higher terpene harvests. And I tend to believe them. I mean, I'm... You know, it's I've kind of gone to a mix myself, but I think that soil is definitely a very natural way to grow. And with more and more people trying to get into growing organically and back in the soil, I think, you know, for a while, hydroponic gardening was You know, the way to do it, you know, everybody had Grodan and Slabs and, you know, Hydraton and we saw great results.

2:18:59SpeakerBut now that we're kind of going to this back to the land kind of vibe in many respects, I think soil is taking over and maybe it could well be because of the fragrance and the taste being so important in the final product.

2:19:19SpeakerWell, if you think about the best tomatoes you've ever had, they were probably, number one, an heirloom variety, and number two, grown organically. Hey, there's Marcus. Come on, step up and say something, dude.

2:19:39Etienne FontanOh, he was there for a second. Oh, there he is.

2:19:46BubblemanHey, what's going on, everybody?

2:19:48Etienne FontanHey, there you are.

2:19:49SpeakerWe've been waiting for you.

2:19:57SpeakerAnd it looks like we'll keep waiting. Can you hear us, Mark? He's on mute. You're on mute. Let me try to unmute him. I don't think I can.

2:20:13SpeakerYes, you're on Hash Church. I cannot unmute him. I don't know what to say. Hi, Darren. Wait, where do I even look? There you go. I don't know who you are, but hi.

2:20:26Collin PalmerI'm Darren. That's embarrassing.

2:20:41Etienne FontanExciting and new.

2:20:46Etienne FontanIs that Steve?

2:20:49SpeakerHey, Mark, can you hear us?

2:20:52BubblemanI'm actually going to go to the hotel room right now, so I'll be back in about a minute, guys. See you in about five.

2:20:58Etienne FontanOkay.

2:21:02Etienne FontanWell, that's cool. So, here's some more IACM news. Cannabis is used as a substitute for prescription drugs according to a large survey. A survey of 2,774 participants reported having used cannabis at least once in the previous 90 days. About half said that they used cannabis as a substitute for prescription drugs. That came out of the Ambassador University Research The state of Washington allows self-cultivation of cannabis by patients.

2:21:37Etienne FontanGovernor signed legislation expanding patients' access to medical cannabis. New law for the first time allows registered patients to legally purchase cannabis seeds, clones, and immature plants from licensed providers. So other provisions in the law permit non-patients to legally share cannabis products with one another.

2:21:58Etienne FontanSo also the foundation of your growing society of endocannabinology. Press release, board of directors, report of foundation in May of this year. Their main objectives are to disseminate knowledge and advance the endocannabinology in academic areas and in the general populations to promote the education Which is great. In Chile, citizens increasingly grow their own medical cannabis. Go Chile.

2:22:31SpeakerAnd Israel decriminalized.

2:22:34Etienne FontanYeah. So in science.

2:22:37SpeakerIt's a small thing, though, when you think about it, because it really influences a lot of people here in Congress and in the Senate because they have to start looking at federal policy as being unworkable and not practical because if they're going to swim upstream against states, we saw a lot of backlash when Jeff Sessions just said that he wanted to basically recreate the drug war. And I think it's a good thing because now prosecutors in various states are saying, no way.

2:23:04SpeakerWe're not going to be part of this bad play again, and I think that's fantastic. So I think that these victories are internationally, especially in places like Israel, where we have strong alliances, are going to be influential hugely in D.C. Yep, and as more as you see studies like this, activation of the CB2 receptor may improve stem cell-based therapies for heart disease.

2:23:33Etienne FontanHeart disease is a huge problem and this is out of China. So that's interesting. You know, any more of these studies that come out, it's going to be harder for them to, you know, deny that there is no medical efficacy because people like Jeff Sessions are still using it, that there is no medical use, et cetera, et cetera. And that's Thank you for joining us.

2:24:09Etienne FontanYou know, willful misinformation that we've affected the ether to the point where even the reporters and academics are holding them to their, you know, their knowledge base and their willful ignorance doesn't apply.

2:24:27Etienne FontanSo migraine is not associated with a generalized deficiency of endocannabinoids.

2:24:35Etienne FontanA study of 26 healthy women and 36 with migraines. There were no difference in blood concentrations of endocannabinoids. Concluded that migraine is not associated with the generalized deficiency in these lipids. That's out of Sweden.

2:24:55Etienne FontanFun. Cannabis users seeking treatment differ from cannabis users in the general population. Researchers compare characteristics of cannabis users in a clinic who wanted to stop use with characteristics of users in the general population. The clinical setting there were more often older adults, African-Americans, Hispanic, Latinos, adults with more education, non-tobacco users, and daily and almost Daily cannabis users out of University of South Carolina, Charleston.

2:25:30Etienne FontanEndocannabinoids may reduce consequences of chronic reduced blood supply to the brain.

2:25:38Etienne FontanThe activation of the CB1 receptor may have negative effects during the development of the placenta. Interesting. That's out of Portugal.

2:25:51Etienne FontanAnd genes involved in the transport action metabolism of cannabinoids. A new article gives an overview of genes of the human body involved in the endocannabinoid action. And list a whole bunch of transporter genes. Receptor genes are CNR1, CNR2, TRPV1, and GPR55. Transporter genes, ABCB1, ABCG2, SLC6-alpha. Genes for proteins, for biotransformation, biosynthesis, and bioactivation. Follow as CYP3A4, CYP2CI9, CYP2C9, CYP2A6, CYP1A1, COMT, FAA8.

2:26:48SpeakerIt doesn't make any sense. What are you repeating?

2:26:51Etienne FontanThese are actual, these are the actual genes. They actually have names as actual receptors, and it is rather fascinating that the different transporter genes, the genes that are proteins, this is more academic, but they're actual, yeah, I know, you expect me to go C3PO.

2:27:14SpeakerNo, it's actually great.

2:27:16Etienne FontanThat's out of Poland, so it just shows all these different research that I just went through, or all these things that are happening all around the world currently.

2:27:26SpeakerI found actually the references to Ernest Abel's because when I was doing the lectures in my home state, when Ernest Abel wrote Marijuana the First 12,000 Years in 81, he was referring to the find in South China Coast in Taiwan Island of broadleaf hemp 12,000 years earlier.

2:27:48SpeakerUm, it was in, uh, Coast Galatial Fishing Sites, Cored and Pressed Pottery, uh, and his reference was 1963. But then a couple years later, uh, it would have probably been a different title because the oldest piece of fabric of hemp was found in the, uh, the Czech Republic. And it was a Natalie hemp, uh, some 26,980 to 24,000.

2:28:14Speaker870 years BP, which basically means before present. It's the earliest impressions of plant fiber cordage and that was found out in 1997. Is that the oldest, Sam, that you know of now? That sounds about right to me, but I don't keep as current as Rob does. I just read about it when I read about it. The oldest cannabis stash ever found is 2,700 years old, found in Mongolia's Gobi Desert in 2008.

2:28:45SpeakerCan you tell us about that, Sam? I wasn't involved, but I've read about it like everybody else.

2:28:57Etienne FontanWhat was the last one that you were involved in that you were aware of?

2:29:04SpeakerI wasn't involved in any of these really, really old ones, but Rob has been sent samples and so have I of, you know, 1,000 or 2,000 or, for example, the Scythian grave that was discovered in the Pozarek excavations. I do have samples from the seeds and Rob and I both collected both pollen and seed samples that are, you know, anywhere from a thousand to several thousand years old.

2:29:40SpeakerBut we weren't involved in the actual work. We just, after we heard about it, collected some of the materials that the scientists were kind enough to share with us.

2:29:54SpeakerRob also said that the first hemp weave fabric in the world was found wrapped around a baby in a 9,000 year old house in 2014 and in Turkey, of course. So some deep history when you start getting into the many uses of cannabis going back through Eurasia and Europe. Is it safe to say that, I mean, I made a comment before to a reporter. I said that I didn't think that you would have the cultural evolution you did in Europe if you took away cannabis.

2:30:27SpeakerBecause if you took away cannabis and you took away, in turn, the inventions that were derived from it, such as paper and fabrics and ropes and harnesses. Maybe they would have been using stinging nettle. You can make fabric out of stinging nettle. Right. They would have found other ways. They would have been bitching about that a lot. But, you know, when, but when, what do you call it?

2:30:55SpeakerWhen Columbus arrived here, I mean, he found a lot of nomadic people. I mean, they were farming marginally comparatively to Europe. They had not invented paper. They had not invented a lot of the things that were quite common in Europe. No, that's true. But they had corn. They had beans. They had pumpkins. I mean, America's had a lot. Avocados. What was their predominant fabric prior to the introduction of hemp in the 16th century?

2:31:31SpeakerIn America? Gee whiz. We need Rob to answer these questions. Well, I got some good questions for Rob then when he comes on. You know, we don't really talk about this. I mean, you know, he didn't, I know Columbus didn't find nothing, but we use it as a point of reference. What did the American Indians wear? Were they wearing animal skins? Yes, mostly leather, living nomadically in many respects because of the winters.

2:32:03SpeakerJust to keep it real. You know, I would follow the food too.

2:32:11SpeakerBut it's interesting that a lot of people have mixed memories. You know, they think that the Native Americans had cannabis hemp when they did, but they didn't have it until it was introduced to them by the Europeans. Correct? As far as any evidence has ever shown, that's correct. Right, right. Well, you know.

2:32:37SpeakerHistory is interesting, and hemp history to me is really interesting just because of the fact that it affects all of us so deeply. Well, that book you mentioned, Cannabis, the First 12,000 Years by Ernest Abel, is a really interesting place for people to start. And Rob's book is too, but let me tell you, Ernest Abel's book is a short but difficult read. Rob's is a humongous but difficult read.

2:33:10SpeakerDo you love cannabis? Why do you say it's difficult to read? I find that interesting. I like the prose of the book is why I ask. Well, it's the average book reader doesn't read a book that large. It's a little book. Okay. Well, I guess, you know what? I've read it over and over again. I mean, I've not only read it, like some of the lines in it, I was, I, like the first opening, he writes this, he writes, it sprouts from the earth, not meekly, not cautiously, in suspense of where it is and what it may find, but defying it, arrogant, whatever the circumstance, it has the stamina to survive.

2:33:53SpeakerAnd it's just fantastic. Will you admit the type is small? Well, sure, sure. But you know what? He writes it in a way that's kind of older and classier. And I really like his style of writing. And he starts off with the invention of paper in China and goes kind of from there. And it's beautiful. You don't have to defend my best friend to me. So is he still alive?

2:34:21SpeakerCan we get Ernest Abel on? Ernest Abel you're talking about. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I know, he went through a period where he renounced cannabis, more or less, and now I think he's working at a dispensary or owning or a grower. I think he's come full circle, but you'd have to Google him to check it out.

2:34:47SpeakerI recently picked up some of the dictionaries. He did a cannabis dictionary, if you remember. I've got it. I've got all of his cannabis books. He was an early researcher that really, really, really searched out all cannabis references in the universe that he could find that were relevant to his books. He was great. Yeah, that book, that was the first book I found in a public library about cannabis was his book, Marijuana, the First 12,000 Years.

2:35:18SpeakerAnd anyone that's reading can find it online. It's in its entirety on various websites. You can read the text. It's fantastic. It's a truly great book. Yeah, and you can enlarge the text on the screen now. You're going to love it. But you could do that with Rob's book too, unfortunately. It's probably available online. Everything is. It is, you know, there was this really wonderful guy, his name was, I believe, Cliff, and he used to do computer programming, and in his spare time, he was trying to disseminate information about drugs that was positive, so he was helping populate the Schaefer Library, he called it, with, because he could sit there, and he didn't have to look at the screen, he could just put a book on a prop, and type everything, turn the page, type everything, and it was all perfect.

2:36:09SpeakerAnd, um, The guy was incredibly talented, and that's how all these books are online at the Schaefer Library, and it's really worth checking out. A lot of classic literature surrounding cannabis and various drugs in the 20th century. He basically tried to digitalize- Old books, it's no big thing, but new books, I personally think the author deserves to get royalties from somebody buying his book. Old books is what he basically did, and out of print books is what he did.

2:36:42SpeakerNo, I understand the difference. And, you know, way back then, everybody, you know, it wasn't about trying to plagiarize or anything. He was giving, you know, he was giving all, he wasn't putting ads up. He wasn't trying to make money. We were... When I first got into this, we didn't have PDFs. The internet wasn't really what it is now. We used to have to go to Kinko's and photocopy things like Jack's book and then go pass it out at colleges and convince people to read this stuff that we were trying to teach them.

2:37:12SpeakerWhen the internet started hitting and we could start buying and creating websites and creating PDFs, Cliff was one of the very first people because he was a computer programr that saw the advantage of this. And he helped create what was called the Drug Reform Coalition or DRCnet. And DRCnet was really trying to network together all the activist groups in the early 90s. Yeah, I mean, we were excited about PDFs because it meant we wouldn't have to go make photocopies anymore.

2:37:43SpeakerAs silly as that may sound now, but there was that much of a thirst or a bottleneck to getting the information to people. Because we couldn't do it any other way. I mean, I met ATN going college to college in a van with a hemp museum, setting up tables, putting out flyers, trying to talk to whoever would walk up to us and convince them that cannabis was good and it had a long history and that they should consider it a serious topic.

2:38:11Etienne FontanWell, yeah, it was the only way to get information out. And we used to have the actual Kinko's Blue Book, which back then was the master book that told you where the locations of all the Kinko's were in the United States. And so doing events or doing tours, one of the first thing we do is you drive all night to get to wherever we were. And then first thing we did was we hit the Kinko's and hit the Kinko's to make copies.

2:38:40Etienne FontanSo everywhere we went and that was the first stop because usually around the Kinko's there was some place to grab some food or something quick around the area while somebody's in there. Thank you for joining us.

2:39:15Etienne FontanThe barriers of conversation.

2:39:16SpeakerI always point out, I loved, which was, you know, when you're out there, don't feel like you're wasting your time because you're going to get through to the ones that are stoners like you. And they're going to hear you because they're the ones that have woken up. And all they need is that spark, you know, and everything changes. And I think that when we help each other to understand what we know, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:40:00SpeakerHemp is the best source of paper, the best source of rope, the best source of fabric. So I would like to say this to people who don't know this. So Jack had a best friend that owned a head shop. His name was Ed Astaire. And they used to eat a lot of acid, yeah, old Ed. And what happened was is they were learning all this stuff. Jack had written a coloring book about grass.

2:40:26SpeakerAnd the book was selling really well in the early 70s. And he basically met Ed and Jack was a bit of a square at the time. And Ed was more of a hippie and a total hippie. And he turned Jack on to getting high and they became best friends. And while they were selling the book Grass and he was running the head shop and they were working for the California Marijuana Initiative in 1972, which did not pass.

2:40:51SpeakerIt was also a Proposition 19. No, the third eye was up in Oregon. This was actually the one down in Van Nuys and it's in Ed's Smoke Shop. And I forget the name of it off the top of my head, but it's down in Van Nuys and in Burbank. And that's where the whole kind of Thank you for watching.

2:41:26SpeakerHemp was the best source of fabrics because it was the source of fabrics before cotton, and what if it was the best source of ropes because they didn't use anything else to make ropes, and nylon didn't work in cold environments when they tried to replace hemp ropes in the Navy with nylon ropes. They found that the Navy had to revert back to hemp ropes because the nylon was failing in really cold climates, extreme climates.

2:41:51SpeakerHe had this epiphany like, shit, what if it was the best source of oil before we had whale oil and before we refined it and had polymers and synthetics? You know, why do all the soldiers wear canvas and not cotton? Because canvas is superior to cotton. Why are all our sails on our ships made out of fucking canvas and not cotton? Because cotton wasn't strong enough to handle the winds of the seas.

2:42:15SpeakerAnd when he started putting it all this together, that's what created The Emperor Wears No Clothes. And really, that's what spawned it all, was him and Ed tripping on acid and making all these connections. And when they came off the acid, they realized, holy fucking shit, this could be really the truth of the matter. And they started putting it together. And ironically, they were at the time trying to do another California marijuana initiative.

2:42:42SpeakerSo they were signing up voters. And they were camped out at the federal building and Reagan saw them and basically signed a law saying that you had to be off of federal property after sunset. So the federal guys went in there and arrested everybody that was on the lawn protesting. So Jack didn't want to accept probation because, as he said, his whole life was a violation of probation.

2:43:07SpeakerSaid, fuck you, I'll go to prison. And they sentenced him to 14 days in Terminal Island Prison down in San Pedro. Ironically, the same prison they'd send me some years later for five years, but whatever. But Jack went down there and because he was a short stay inmate, he didn't get to go into general population. And because of that, they didn't have TVs and shit like that.

2:43:29SpeakerAll he really got was this little, was a paper and a little three inch pencil. So he sat there in Terminal Island in what now is known as J Unit, writing everything he knew about hemp and marijuana and cannabis. And it became an 84-page document that literally became a black and white photocopy he brought around and showed people after they typed it out. And that became The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

2:43:55Etienne FontanAnd those then people taking those, making little graphics, little drawings, or what were the majority of, which also became graphics in the preceding copies of the book, became the majority of what we used to copy out on the road and put out there as information because it was so well done and so well researched. It also had references because people were like, yeah, yeah, you're full of shit.

2:44:17Etienne FontanWell, here's a reference. Go look it up. Back then, it's back in the old way. You had to actually go and use the Dewey Decimal System and things like that at the library where, you know, Jack actually had to go to research facilities and pull this information. He actually had to find the actual video for the government. And for victory. And for victory, exactly.

2:44:36SpeakerWell, you know, I like to say this because, you know what, Jack did a lot of great things and a lot of people out there smoking weed with his name on it. Thank you for joining us.

2:45:01SpeakerSaw the video, felt like it was authentic, and he actually gave it to a reporter from the Wall Street Journal. And like a good reporter did, he went and he went to the Library of Congress and he looked for a citation because he wanted to make a comment about this and he didn't want it to come back at him. And what happened was is he couldn't find a citation in the Library of Congress.

2:45:25SpeakerAll the microfiche and all of the basically information that they were looking in didn't contain any citations to this. So he called Jack up and told him, you're a fraud, you gave me a fake tape and, you know, who do you think you're fooling? You know, this hemp history is bullshit and you have nothing to back it up. So Jack in California said, Fuck you. And he went all the way to D.C. and went to the Library of Congress and went inside and asked, you know, give me help.

2:45:55SpeakerI want to find these citations. And they couldn't find anything. So they went back outside to smoke a joint, feeling a little defeated, right? And somebody was standing there with Jack and said, what if we had come here in 1941? They didn't have microfiche back then. They must have had books. So where are they? So Jack was like, yeah, where are they? So they run back inside and they asked basically the librarian helping them.

2:46:22SpeakerAnd she says, we do have those books. They were right over by the printers you were using. So she goes back and they find Hemp for Victory in the books, in these old books, in the Library of Congress. It's just that somehow, Some way, when they were taking this information and copying it into the microfiche, they omitted it, they missed it, and it's just kind of fucked up.

2:46:42Etienne FontanOr they wiped it and removed it. See, that's the other thing.

2:46:45SpeakerThat's absolutely true because under the Nixon administration, we saw that they were proactively purging cannabis hemp. They actually actively requested that college universities take it off of their shelves. This is fucking shit you can look up, people. It is devastating when you think about how it's obstructing your ability to learn your own history and that obstructs your ability to plan your own future. So Jack found this and then had to photocopy these books at the Library of Congress and then he had to go and Resubmit them to the Library of Congress so they would accept them into the part of the microfiche that was official.

2:47:27SpeakerAnd when he did that, the Wall Street Journal guy put Jack Herra on the cover of the Wall Street Journal. And if anyone wants to go back in history, you'll find it. And to me, it's one of the greatest. With the nice pictograph of him back in the day. That's right. That's right. And that's why he was on the cover of the Wall Street Journal back in the day, because he proved the journalist wrong.

2:47:48SpeakerHe was a better journalist than the journalist at the Wall Street Journal, and he did what the journalist should have done. It was great.

2:47:56Etienne FontanAnd that video has...

2:48:00Etienne FontanI've gone on to just absolutely decimate many a conversation I would have through the mid-90s by having that access to show people that video. Once you saw and how well that actual done, it's on YouTube, your jaw drops and you realize how not only beneficial it was that not only did people do it, they ran a 14-minute video back in the day to show you how and what you need to do and the reasons why this is needed in you as a farmer.

2:48:29Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

2:48:58SpeakerThat's pretty powerful. I mean, and that's really the history we have to refocus on. I mean, cannabis has to come back globally as an economic crop of opportunity for everybody.

2:49:10Etienne FontanAnd it is now with hemp being accessible in multiple states. I know people who are producing now American-made decorticators and there'll soon be seed production, you know, so, you know, Canada maybe has had its run as the sole producer here in North America and soon we'll start to see American hemp products and in time start to see American hemp factories start to, you know, Thank you for joining us today.

2:49:57Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

2:50:16Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

2:50:44Etienne FontanYou know, the rural areas of America so that they're actually producing what we use again.

2:50:50SpeakerHey, I like my Canadian hemp too. I eat it every day. I do too. I love my Canadian hemp too.

2:50:56Etienne FontanI love my Manitoba hemp. I have it sprinkled on my salad daily and I have my pills. You know, I keep my endocannabinoid system as saturated as I possibly can. But I also look forward to the competing US hemp market.

2:51:10SpeakerSomebody else brought up about can you dab Marinol? And all Marinol is is synthetic THC suspended in sesame oil encapsulated in a gelatin cap. And I don't really recommend that you try dabbing sesame oil. There's not very much THC in it. The pills were only two and a half, five, and 10 milligrams, which is nothing in dab world. Yeah.

2:51:38Etienne FontanNot worth the time or effort.

2:51:41SpeakerNo, I would say no. So everybody that's ever smoked the strain, Jack Carra, please take a minute to look it up. And somebody was in the chat asking also about the drug war I was referencing. And if you start to study the drug war, it was first coined in 1968 by Nixon, of all people. And in 68, he Most likely started his plans of what he created, which was the DEA and the classification of cannabis as we know it today, the scheduling.

2:52:13SpeakerAnd during that time, there was a lot of very nefarious things that happened, in my opinion, when it came to the dissemination. What I remember was Operation Intercept. Operation Intercept. Could you explain that? Operation Intercept was they basically closed down the Mexican-American border crossing so that anybody coming from Mexico, it took instead of like a half an hour or so to cross, it was taking 48 hours.

2:52:49Etienne FontanAnd when did that take place and how long?

2:52:51SpeakerI think it was, I'm pretty sure it was 1968 that lasted for, I don't know, three months, six months, and then they stopped it. They made some agreement.

2:53:02SpeakerYeah, that's going back a little way. When did the Paraquat stuff first start, Dave? It was around the same time, maybe a little bit later, like in the late 60s, early 70s, whereas Operation Intercept, I'm pretty sure it was 68. I remember there was this huge shortage because the classic way to bring it across the border back then, it was a bunch of mom and pops. They were bringing it, you know, in their automobiles or their mobile trailers or their, I mean, I knew surfer kids used to go down there with a big van and then just wire it underneath the van.

2:53:47SpeakerI mean, it was pretty casual. Back then, right. And then it really changed after Operation Intercept. They got serious about trying to catch the pot smugglers.

2:54:00Etienne FontanAnd what Todd is referring to is the paraquat is basically the government or the governments were having people spray paraquat on cannabis knowingly poisoning people as they did back in Prohibition with alcohol.

2:54:13SpeakerWhat they did was they sprayed pot fields and the farmers washed it down and immediately harvested it. Before it withered and died.

2:54:26SpeakerSo it was a combination of what the fuck is the government spraying poison on something that will end up in people's hands and greedy farmers that didn't want to lose the money from their crop. But can I say this? You know what? A lot of that chemical poisoning, we did it way, way more than unfortunately just in Mexico. It was, you know, In my opinion, there was just a story on this ties together that the Pentagon lost $2 billion worth of military equipment.

2:54:56SpeakerAnd I hate to say that in a way that they don't give a shit because in a way, our congressmen are just a bunch of salesmen who are getting bribed by the military industry complex manufacturers that sell them this equipment with our tax dollars. And they don't give a shit. Once it's bought and paid for, they're just worried about the next budget and the next go around of arms sales so they can get their kickbacks and whatever they do for it.

2:55:21SpeakerAnd the chemical companies are doing the same fucking thing. And these laws that they were doing, which was let's go defoliate the world of cannabis, was chemical companies vying for contracts from the United States government. So they could go to places like in Bangladesh and Thailand and other places and fucking poison the land because the American government determined that they didn't want marijuana growing and they didn't want it coming to America anymore.

2:55:48SpeakerAnd we paid with our tax dollars for chemical companies to fucking fly around and poison the fields of our neighbors in order to supposedly save us. But I think it wasn't to save us. It was just to spend that government money. Because they were doing, the sales people, or our congressmen you call them, didn't give a fuck about the people they were hurting in the countries they were poisoning.

2:56:12SpeakerThey just wanted to make sure that the chemical company that came to them and bribed their ass got the fucking, the contract that they were seeking. So I don't mean to be completely pessimistic, but I think they're all, you know, those people were responsible for hurting a lot of people with cannabis prohibition. And, you know, that's one of the reasons why I've always kind of been such an advocate for international legalization because cannabis prohibition hurts everybody, you know, and we really have to like, I feel that America, that this country is the country that brought cannabis prohibition through Anslinger and Nixon and the drug war all over the world.

2:56:49SpeakerIt peddled prohibition like it was a fucking, really, I think in many ways to make the world safe for tobacco. It wasn't just America. It was also England to a degree. It was South Africa to a degree. It was Egypt. And there was another country too. But they were all in favor of suppressing the dangerous cannabis or hashish. Yeah, you know, there's no question. I mean, and you know what?

2:57:18SpeakerInformation is liberating us all. And the reason I do this all the time, Mark, and I think that this is important is because I think sharing our indignation and trying to, you know, clarify our beliefs with each other and figure out what's right is the best way to do. And I think we should all pursue this line of truth and teaching it to other people, you know, because You know, there's no other path to our freedom, I don't believe, than, you know, education.

2:57:46SpeakerYou know, education. And to be honest, we don't need to reach the converted. We need to reach the unconverted. Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because when I was sitting in prison, I was honestly thinking about that constantly. Like, when I get out, how do I be effective? And, you know, it's weird. I got a letter from a lady in Boise, Idaho when I was sitting in prison.

2:58:06SpeakerShe was 71 years old and she read about me on ifeminist.com, she said. And she was just very supportive of what I, you know, medical cannabis and the point I was trying to make. And I sat back in my prison cell thinking, how did I ever reach that demographic? You know, like a little old grandma in Boise, Idaho was not, you know, I didn't, that wasn't one of the stops on the can tour, we'll just say.

2:58:28SpeakerBut You know, it made me stop and think like, wow, you know, like this is the effect that we can have. And I think it's a beautiful thing when we can touch the lives of others and make them think. So when I when I got out of prison, the when the opportunity came to help Adam and Brett, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:59:02SpeakerFor sure. And the culture high was different in that way because when Adam and Brett approached the union, they were non-smokers and they were trying to take this approach with journalistic integrity and they just wanted to tell the truth about what they found out about cannabis. But five years later, after the union had become so successful and they had interviewed so many people, they understood the truth.

2:59:28SpeakerAnd that's what is reflected in the Culture High because the Culture High became really an unapologetic advocacy film for the legalization, the global legalization of cannabis. And if the truth doesn't work, I don't know what will.

2:59:52SpeakerWell, I hate to say it, but I always believed in big business and taxes, meaning the government gets their peace and regulation and the big business makes a profit. That is the way the real world operates. Yes. And, you know, though, I believe that in a sense that when we teach people on this level, you know, cannabis should be a commodity again, just like cotton is and lumber is and coal.

3:00:22SpeakerAnd it should be on the global market for its fiber, for its seed, for its protein, for its cellulose. It should be there with all these other plants. It makes no practical sense why it's not right now. And not only should it be there, when it gets back to the commodities exchange, I think it's going to be one of the biggest players because it's one of the most environmentally friendly plants that we can cultivate.

3:00:48SpeakerAnd on so many levels. Where do I buy cannabis futures? Wait, wait. And then what I'll do is I'll fly in my jet plane back and forth with botrytis spores. Now, I'm just joking. I would never do that. But. There are pretty weird people out there.

3:01:11SpeakerYou know, I think cannabis futures will be reality. I think cannabis is in all of our future. I mean, there's no way around it. I was having this conversation with Kenny of Trichrome Technologies just yesterday talking about hemp in California. And he was saying, I don't think so. And I was saying, I think so, because I think that people are going to want to grow it for the protein and for the essential fatty acids in the seed at first.

3:01:34SpeakerAnd then they're going to start using it to get their CBD from because I mean, right now we're in America and in the States, we are harvesting CBD, you know, in relatively small batches compared to what's happening in places like Germany, where they're extracting hemp with CO2 in silos, you know, the size of some small houses. And they're doing it, you know, industrial on an industrial level with food grade materials every day.

3:02:02SpeakerYou know, like it's no big deal. And when we started seeing that happening in California, I think we'll start seeing huge hemp fields growing. Not only that, but the fields in California will be 20% CBD with less than 1% THC. So, I mean, it's going to, you know, be a lot easier to make a higher quality product is what I'm saying. Right. Well, I think, you know, this whole thing is, is, is, is refining.

3:02:33SpeakerI mean, 20 years ago, I would have never dreamed about BHO, you know, and now it's, it's given cannabinoids to the, to the common people in a way it, it, It made it so that, you know, we could all have something that was pharmaceutical grade and was incredibly healing. I feel that the cannabinoids, when you get them in, you know, dry sift or shatter or wax or butter and it's just cannabinoids and terpenes, you really benefit from the effectivity and the safety because you can't really overdose on dabs and you can feel the medical effect of dabs almost instantly.

3:03:19SpeakerDo you even smoke flowers when you're not with me anymore, ATN?

3:03:24Etienne FontanFrom time to time, but for the most part, no. I was always, before you were around even, I was a concentrate, you know, smoker for the most part because when I was out cycling, it was easier for me to carry just a little bit of hash and a, you know, and a one hitter than it was for me to, you know, you know, carry a flower or a joint or something like that.

3:03:45Etienne FontanYou know, I've always been I never had that much pot around. Even when I was growing it, I was usually growing it to sell it, so I really didn't have that much around. So I've always been one to conserve and use one-hitters and things like that, small pipes that were small and travelable. When we were all over the United States, it's easy for you to use a cigarette pipe because Thank you for watching.

3:04:27Etienne FontanI had access to sieve and dry hash. I was always taking that and then mixing it in a coffee grinder together and then repressing it into a container because that's where I started discovering for myself I would try certain hashes and I'd get this effect or this effect but I wasn't getting the full effect that I was searching for so by mixing them all together I was finally getting that full effect.

3:04:51Etienne FontanAnd so I've carried that further once I got into BHO and stuff around 2010, 2011. And then I started to take BHOs and then mixing them together in my own little glass thing at 120 degrees and continuing to do so and finding again, getting the whole cannabinoid spectrum. For me, as I've had those escalations, whereas in the past I used to always vaporize. I remember you used to visit me.

3:05:23Etienne FontanI used to always have the Steinel on using the old bag setup as opposed to using the volcano, which I love the volcano, but it always took too long for me to inflate. So that's why I started using the Steinel because it had the ceramic core as opposed to the asbestos core for vaporizing herb. And around you, you were really the first person, Todd, that I had known that was always smoking hog legs all the time and always had hog legs on you all the time.

3:05:56Etienne FontanAnd then when I lived with you, of course, it was, you know, for the times when we were smoking, it was always, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:06:30Etienne FontanWhen I was out cycling, there was no portable vaporizers back then. There weren't pens or anything like that. So the best thing that I could find was having my blend of my water hash and sieve and a small cigarette and a lighter and you know, I could be anywhere.

3:06:47SpeakerYeah, I've always just, you know, it's funny, my mom, when I was a little kid and I couldn't roll joints, this is harsh to say, but my mom would only roll me pinners. And I was like, what the fuck am I going to do with this little thing? So I went to my room with her album covers and I sat there and I taught myself how to roll really good joints that were huge.

3:07:09SpeakerSo that was my little form of rebellion to my stoner hippie mom was, you all roll fat joints. That was pretty much it. But then I started growing when I was just 13 and that changed everything because then, yeah, you know, it's like Mother Nature is directly giving you cannabis. So everyone that grows understands what I'm saying. It's just like gifts from heaven, you know.

3:07:33Etienne FontanBut you've always, I've not known you to not smoke very large joints.

3:07:41SpeakerNo, I like it. It's my favorite way to, it's, I, yeah, I like dabbing, you know, but sometimes dabbing's too intense. When you and I first started dabbing and I would try to dab during the day, should I be napping by 420, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be partaking. I remember. Beyond my face, man. So I think in moderation now, you know, like everything, you know, I do think that being able to dab and flood our body with cannabinoids is, is fantastic.

3:08:10SpeakerI was having this conversation with Irvin who was here and unfortunately couldn't do hash charge cause he came later, but you know, he, He's been using government-grown cannabis now for over 20 years, and he receives cans of 300 joints a month now. And he actually feels that the cannabis, even as shitty as it is the government gave him, has kept his tumors in check and given him the life that he's living, which is huge.

3:08:40SpeakerSo now all of us, when I'm thinking about the fact of how could we benefit, I think that being able to get cannabinoids into our body is important. And maybe the fact that it doesn't get us high, once we tune in to a point where we've gotten so much of it into our body that it's not getting us high, maybe that's a good thing, if that makes sense.

3:09:03SpeakerDo you know what I mean? Because then you can still function, you can still do all the things you've got to do, and you're still benefiting from all of the cannabinoids.

3:09:12Etienne FontanIt's saturating your endocannabinoid system in ways that we don't necessarily scientifically know. I agree with that because I can definitely feel a different effect when I smoke a joint with you and then we go to dabbing. There's definitely not only a depth to the high, there's also many layers to it.

3:09:28SpeakerI think that's interesting, but let me tell you something. I don't smoke to medicate myself. I smoke to get high, and I want it so that I can get Higher and higher and higher until I'm so high I can't... I've never been there. Do you feel like, Sam, then, that you can plateau? What gets in your way of... Like, for instance, if you drink alcohol all day... Every variety has a plateau to some degree.

3:09:59SpeakerAlmost all varieties are that way. Somebody asked about Chinese cannabis. I'm going to say it wrong. Chinesis? Yeah. What's up with that, Sam? Well, unless it's from the western China, in other words, where the Muslim area is, then it's not very psychoactive. Because there's cannabis all over China, but it's not psychoactive. But in Western China, they do have psychoactive varieties. Can I ask you why the Eastern varieties in China are more hemp-like?

3:10:36SpeakerBecause they've been grown for hemp for thousands of years. Because they're closer to the coastal communities and that's how they handle their sailings in paper and cloth and everything. That's the tradition, is to grow it for hemp. It's not grown for a psychoactive drug. Whereas in the Muslim Western areas, even maybe before they were Muslims, I don't know that for sure, they do use it as a psychoactive drug.

3:11:08SpeakerYou know, it's a cool, you know, one of the most impressive projects I saw was the International Hemp Association because why I say it was most impressive is because you were really trying to not educate the choir, but to educate the educators and the professionals. And, um, You know, can I ask in a sense, you know, like how tuned are on, how tuned in do you think the academic world is to the information you were presenting about cannabis and hemp in the 90s?

3:11:45SpeakerLike, do you feel like that made an impact? We give it to the internet for free, so it's available for everybody. And we still get offers to try to join, but the organization is retired now. But it was an amazing journal. It's scientific-based. It's peer-reviewed science. And the other thing that's nice about it was printed on 100% hemp paper. Yeah, it's absolutely beautiful. My copies were confiscated by the DEA when they raided me in 95, and then again in 97 because I got more copies and then they took those.

3:12:28SpeakerBut, you know, information is, you know, dangerous, so I can see why they had to take it away from me. But they were beautiful, but... You know, your path of trying to get this information to the scholars and the university, I think was really noble on all levels. And a lot of people don't really... Remember what our motto was, dedicated to the advancement of cannabis through the dissemination of information.

3:12:57SpeakerI loved that motto. I feel like that's been my life mission in a weird way. So I totally feel it, where you're coming from. And I learned so much through it. I mean, because a lot of what was in Jack's book was, You know, I'm not saying exaggerated, but it was enthusiastic. And, you know, when it was overgeneralizing in some ways, the history was correct, but his assumptions of what it could do, I think, was pretty huge.

3:13:29SpeakerThat said, when I was reading the journals, the journals were real. The journals were like, I don't know how to put it. It was real science. Yeah, it was real science telling me what real crops were really good. Yeah, yeah, it's just huge, you know, it's just huge. What year did the Hemp Pest book come out that you did?

3:13:57SpeakerI don't remember. That's incredible. I don't remember.

3:14:04SpeakerI love it. You know, one of the things I respect the most about everything that you and your crew, you guys have done is how much of the information that you just 100% turned over and given away to people. And I think it's fucking awesome. And I've been a direct result of, you know, learning from this for a long time. And I know I thank you so much, man.

3:14:27SpeakerI wish more people that were getting involved in this industry would, you know, actually put their ego aside and make it about the plant and make it about the discoveries and make it about the contributions that they can make to the community as you did. And I really do. I applaud you so much. You have no idea. And thank you for all the great bud that I've smoked over the years.

3:14:49SpeakerI guarantee you that there were many others like me And there will be more many like me. Cannabis has a bright future. It's very obvious now. It's going to go mainstream. And it might attract a few nuts and flakes and profiteers, but I think it's a great future. I do too. I believe that when people start having the experiences with cannabis, everybody that I've had, that you've had, that all of our friends have had, this is where compassion and empathy, and this is where it's all going to blossom and bloom.

3:15:26SpeakerBecause cannabis really connects people to the reality of healing and love and patience and caring and kindness. And all things that are, in my opinion, good. I mean, I can't wait to see the polar shift that happens away from alcohol and pharmaceutical use because that to me is very inspiring. So many people are dropping away from habitual pharmaceutical use and habitual alcohol use because now they can get cannabis.

3:15:55SpeakerAnd I think that the more cannabis that gets out at a cheaper rate, the more of an impact that that's going to have on society for the better.

3:16:07SpeakerWell, I want to see it below $100 a kilo. Then anybody can make dry sift ash at home. Yeah, it would be awesome. I think we're going to get there in time. To be really honest with you, I think, truth be told, that cannabis has a history that touches all of our lives. And when we start realizing that, I think that it's easy for us to tune into our connection to the plant.

3:16:34SpeakerThe one thing that Jack Harris' book did for me that I didn't expect to have happen is it put cannabis as a hub in humanity. Because when I was in school, you know, sure, they taught you we got a cotton gin in the 1790s, but they didn't really teach you what the hell they were wearing before the cotton gin. And they didn't sure the hell didn't teach you that they were using cannabis hemp fabrics for their sales and cannabis hemp fabrics for their ropes and cannabis hemp fabrics for their clothes when they were doing all this exploring before there was a cotton gin.

3:17:05SpeakerAnd it started to like put things into perspective for me because suddenly I understood that cannabis played such an important role in history when you think about how important is paper, how important is clothing, how important is our fucking oils and our inks. And they're huge. And you think about it from that perspective and suddenly cannabis starts playing this really pivotal role. And it kind of felt like it connected me more to history.

3:17:32SpeakerIf I remember correctly, more slaves were imported to America for hemp fields than cotton fields. Well, unfortunately, you know, the first laws on slavery, Jack always pointed out, started in 1619 in Jamestown, Virginia. And he used to say that there were sister laws that were enacted at the same time, which meant, which were, you had to grow hemp on 10% of your farm land because, excuse me, what was happening is tobacco was growing indigenously all over the Americas.

3:18:12SpeakerAnd the people that were settling in the colonies wanted to grow what was easy and fast, but it did not provide them with blankets and ropes and sails and the linens and the things that they needed. So they had to sell the tobacco to the people that were showing up to buy it, but they were trading it and bartering it for the fundamental elements that they needed there in the colonies.

3:18:36SpeakerSo the government involved themselves and said, look, you have to grow hemp on 10% of your land because we need it for all of our own home production. And Jack also pointed out that you could pay your American taxes, your federal American taxes with hemp by weight per ton. Well, you know, up until the 19th century, into the 19th century, this is all true because when back in the times we were an agricultural society that was trying to build itself up and we were all trying to pitch in and make the place better.

3:19:11SpeakerI mean, all those people that lived hard, they realized that community was important. So they did everything they could to try to build a community together. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:19:46SpeakerNowhere. And this is also why we have feral hemp going all the way across North America. It's because as we went west, we were dropping the seeds that we used to grow the covers for our wagons and the ropes for our horses. The clothes on our back was all made from cannabis. And there's no two ways around it. I mean, American soldiers were wearing canvas exclusively up into the Second World War.

3:20:11SpeakerHey, Mark, good to see you.

3:20:15SpeakerCan you hear us?

3:20:18BubblemanHi Ken, how's it going guys? Sorry about taking so long. I spoke for almost an hour and then I couldn't get a hold of Colin. He had the key to the room and I was stuck at the booth so I was talking to lots of different people and it's a nice event. It's going pretty good. How's the conversation? How's it going D?

3:20:45SpeakerReal good, brother. How are you? You in Toronto? Yeah, I'm in Toronto.

3:20:51Collin PalmerOkay.

3:20:51SpeakerFucking cool, man. I see you're calling there. We had dinner at the Needle last year and got a picture together, all of us up there. Yeah.

3:21:01BubblemanYeah, exactly.

3:21:02SpeakerHow you doing, buddy? What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Yeah, man. Should we do a ball rip? Are you plugged in and ready to go, Mark? Oh, we're ready to go.

3:21:14Collin PalmerOh, we are ready, buddy.

3:21:16SpeakerI figured so. Bong rip we go. We're ready.

3:21:20BubblemanCoast to coast. We're ready. Get this party started, right?

3:21:27Collin PalmerCoast to coast.

3:21:29BubblemanAll right. How's the church going, everybody?

3:21:33Etienne FontanA religious experience as usual of knowledge. Ah, yes, religious experience. Look at him hitting on the 35 millimeter banger.

3:21:45SpeakerBoom, boom, shaboom.

3:21:46BubblemanA little carby on there for you. Where you going for that low low? I like that. Go for the low low over here.

3:22:02Collin PalmerThen I can heat it up real quick.

3:22:04BubblemanHow long have you guys been rocking for? Has it been three hours?

3:22:08Etienne FontanThree plus. Yeah, it's been okay.

3:22:12SpeakerWow. I like it better than you do. No, I'm not.

3:22:18BubblemanI'm gone, man. Gone. You look shitty. I wanted to talk to him. That sucks.

3:22:25SpeakerNo problem, dude.

3:22:29SpeakerWe were talking about haze.

3:22:32Collin PalmerDid you just hit your second rep? Are you giving it a little choo-choo? I did. I did a little. Nice, nice. Okay.

3:22:40Etienne FontanBubble Man, your low-low, what do you think of the temperature of your low-low around approximately?

3:22:46Collin PalmerOh, dude, it was really low.

3:22:47BubblemanI'd say that was a 400.

3:22:49Collin PalmerIt was delicious, though. It was just unbelievably delicious. Full profile.

3:22:54BubblemanI would say it was a 400 degree hit, like probably not much more.

3:22:58Etienne FontanThe second one, right?

3:23:00BubblemanThe second one, yes. Yeah. First one looked maybe like more in the 500s or something.

3:23:06Collin PalmerYeah.

3:23:07BubblemanIt still was total puddle, no Chaz. I got a new trick that I think I might have even mentioned today already. I'm going to mention it again for those that didn't hear. That bong cleaner, that DC, well, the quartz cleaner, really, because it's not bong cleaner. It's good for the quartz. Maybe it's I poured a little bit into the Chazzed Out Bowl today, and I was blown away at how effective it just peeled all of the blackness off the bottom, lifted it up to the top.

3:23:36BubblemanI wrapped it with a Q-tip, and it was like as clean as a whistle. How clean is a whistle? And do they make quartz whistles? I don't know. I'm going to have a dab. Dab me up.

3:23:48Etienne FontanDab me up. Now everyone's searching for quartz whistles.

3:23:52SpeakerPull over up. Ball rip. How clean is a whistle, Yas? I don't know. How clean is a whistle?

3:24:01BubblemanI guess it depends on whose whistle it is.

3:24:03SpeakerYeah, because when you think of a whistle, you think of after you've been whistling a while, and you turn it upside down, it spit drips out.

3:24:12Etienne FontanSo it depends on who blows it.

3:24:15BubblemanOh, well.

3:24:19BubblemanWho are you boring your whistle to?

3:24:20SpeakerDaffy Duck? No, I'm saying no matter who does it. Because you have a lot of humidity in your lungs when you breathe out. Hey, listen, don't you talk for my whistle. What the fuck are we talking about? You guys, come on.

3:24:39Etienne FontanWe're exploring the whole clean whistle thing.

3:24:42BubblemanDo you want the Holy Grail? I do. I think I want the Holy Grail dipped in the Congolese.

3:24:47Etienne FontanJesus, if it's called the Holy Grail, why would you not want it? No, just give me average Grail. You got some low-grade Grail. I'll take the Holy Grail.

3:24:57BubblemanWe're actually hitting the mediocre Grail.

3:24:58SpeakerIt's the MG. My favorite is Moldy Grail.

3:25:06BubblemanOh, the moldy grail.

3:25:07Etienne FontanYeah, that's always one up. Can I get a little extra botrytis on that?

3:25:17Etienne FontanOh, my goodness. Well, got some botrytis terps.

3:25:24Etienne FontanHere we go. Here we go.

3:25:26BubblemanMy turn.

3:25:45Collin PalmerThat'll do. That'll do.

3:25:52Etienne FontanSo does it taste holy?

3:25:53BubblemanYeah, that was great.

3:25:54Etienne FontanDoes it taste holy or graily?

3:25:59BubblemanI'd say it's Congolese-y more than holy, but maybe it's a little holy Congolese-y.

3:26:04Collin PalmerHoly Congolese?

3:26:05BubblemanHave you guys heard of the Lemonese? I'll do. Oh, do tell. You guys got to check out the Lemonese. Lebanese crossed with lemon cake. I can't say anything else about it, but it is called the lemonese, and it's something.

3:26:18Etienne FontanI like just the sound of those genetics combined.

3:26:22Collin PalmerIs it a hybrid?

3:26:28Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us.

3:26:52Collin PalmerMitch has a better backstory, but someone went down and picked up those seeds in a small village and brought them back. I think that's the story.

3:26:59BubblemanYeah, he gave me some of them. I've got a friend in Jamaica growing them, and he's really stoked on them.

3:27:03Collin PalmerAnd it's in the Highlands Bioscience.

3:27:06BubblemanRight, he gave some to Mowgli.

3:27:07Collin PalmerYeah, so Magli has some in that field, and you can kind of get a better understanding of it in there, because it's actually in a class of its own, which is really interesting.

3:27:15BubblemanSo is it just called Lemony?

3:27:17Collin PalmerLemony, that's it.

3:27:18BubblemanOh, he put in the Lemony's.

3:27:20Collin PalmerNo, Lemony's.

3:27:21BubblemanLemony's, okay, that's what I thought.

3:27:22Collin PalmerLemony's is it, and then we're going to hit the LC with the Lemony's and make Lemony's.

3:27:27BubblemanRight, right. Yeah, so it's in the phylos.

3:27:31SpeakerYeah. No problemo.

3:27:34BubblemanWhat a cool thing to have to be able to say, it's in the Philo, Sam, check it out.

3:27:41Etienne FontanI like it.

3:27:44BubblemanAll right, so what do we got happening in the chat right now? Welcome back, Marcus. Yes, welcome back indeed. Hey, they're getting bong rip ready, going great. John Maddox, Peter S, Tim Roy, chilling like a villain's in the house. Chilling like a villain started my giveaways on my Wake and Bake channel. I started giving away just little things that people send me. Not really trying to get anything for it.

3:28:04BubblemanJust thought it was a cool idea. And he literally saw... Walking on my fab egg while I was doing my wake and bake video. And he sees this ant. He's like, hey, there's an ant on your fab egg. And it just tripped me out that he could spot that. And I was like, man, I got to send you something. I'm going to send you a dab mat for spotting the ant on my fab egg and basically sent it away.

3:28:28BubblemanSo what's up? Chilling like a villain. Good to have you in the chat. Bong Rip says, Funky J. Bingo Lombardi says, cheers.

3:28:37Collin PalmerOh yeah.

3:28:41BubblemanAre you? I think you should do a little Red Congo dip. You're after creating a new star with that genetics by sounds. How's your new dab mat chilling? Oh yeah, and then the funniest thing was, you know when you're like, you want to give something away and be generous and be like, oh, I'll just, you know, have a giveaway or whatever. Chilling like a mad villain lives in Europe.

3:29:02BubblemanIt's like I thought the guy might be in Edmonton or something, you know, two bucks postage. Just joking. It was totally not expensive at all. And I couldn't believe how fast it got there. So mad respect to you, Chillin' Like a Villain. Stoked that you're enjoying that. He thought it was a fly though. Yep, he did. But it wasn't. It was an ant. And he started the giveaway.

3:29:23BubblemanSo everyone should always give mad respect to Chillin' Like a Villain. That's what I'm saying.

3:29:31SpeakerI'm going to give thanks to the ant.

3:29:35BubblemanYou should give thanks to the ant. There's always another perspective. And trust me, Skunk Man Sam is going to be the motherfucker to find it. There's another perspective. You always have the most unique perspective. Not going to lie. So Johnny B's here at the event. Tony spoke today with Dr. Brent Reynolds from United Cannabis. They did a cancer panel that was quite spectacular. And yeah, I spoke briefly on macro photography and glandular trichome medicine.

3:30:08BubblemanIt's pretty fun. I have to say that I think that we get more people watching live in here than maybe are at that event right now. It's hard to say. They might get thousands over the course of the day, but there's probably about 700, 800 people in there, don't you think?

3:30:24Collin PalmerYeah, maybe more.

3:30:25BubblemanMaybe more, like 1,000? That's cool.

3:30:27Collin PalmerYou, you, yesterday, your talk was out of control by the end of that thing.

3:30:31BubblemanI know, I hope they recorded that.

3:30:33Collin PalmerI think they did. I actually, all right, so here's what I did. I asked, I went around and got all the app cards from the guys to get the footage.

3:30:39BubblemanExcellent, excellent. Smart guy right there. He's going to get the footage. I didn't feel I needed one more responsibility of having a camera in front of, so I just sort of, and I felt like,

3:30:52Collin PalmerRight? Like last year, there was none of that.

3:30:53BubblemanTodd's been holding it down. Yes, huge shout out to Todd and the rest of the panelists for holding Hash Church down. It isn't as easy as it looks. There are difficulties, and it's a weird feeling that Todd, I'm sure, understands because I know it. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:31:31SpeakerYeah, Todd was asking a lot of questions and stuff like that for sure. He was getting lots of questions on to me and stuff. And it was enjoyable. It was fun. Good time. Good job. You know, I learned a lot from it, to be really honest with you. So this is the reason I always enjoy doing it. I mean, Mark and I have always talked on video anyway.

3:31:52SpeakerIt's not like I can drive up the street and go hang out in his living room or vice versa. So this has been our only medium to communicate. So... Thank you so much for joining us.

3:32:17Etienne FontanIt's what keeps me coming back week after week. I'm learning. I'm not used to being around people where I learn from. I'm always teaching. And to actually sit back and learn and listen as well as contribute to the conversation, it's an absolutely wonderful organic thing that Yeah. Thank you.

3:32:33SpeakerYeah. Thanks, Mark. For sure. I would like to do a show where we actually set it up. So everybody that's typing can ask questions because, you know, if we could direct questions to people that, you know, it's a lot of good stuff. I realize that when I'm talking to Sam all the time, it's like, you know, the conversation only ends where my imagination ends. And that's really, Fantastic.

3:32:54SpeakerI mean, you know, you've had opportunity to forget more than I've had the opportunity to learn about cannabis in some regards, Sam, just because you've been focused on it and experiencing it for my entire life. Been going to India and getting high and And it's a whole other level of been there, done that. And I appreciate you sharing it with us a lot. It's really a pleasure to sit here and ask questions because I learn a lot.

3:33:20SpeakerI love haze, for instance. I've been such a haze head ever since. So to be able to ask you about its origin is really fantastic.

3:33:30BubblemanYeah, we weren't even a glimmer in our pappy's eye and Sam was doing it.

3:33:35SpeakerWell, I grew my first plant in 1965, but it only got about six inches tall and somebody stole it or the gardener found it or something. It was in a flower box. But what's even funnier is that there was a Russian conspiracy to get me high for the first time. This is a proven fact. I bought three joints for 25 cents each from a girl at Hollywood High School, and her parents were Russian, and she had a heavy Russian accent too.

3:34:17SpeakerI think she stole it from her parents and rolled some skinny joints and sold them to me. So that's how I got high the very first time. You got to say how you smoked all three of the joints back to back until they were gone. Well, that's also true. I didn't know quite how to smoke pot. So I lit the first one, inhaled the puff. Blue it out, inhaled another puff, and smoked the whole joint like that without taking any breath, fresh air in between.

3:34:49SpeakerThen I lit the second one. Then I lit the third one. And by the time I was, you know, already getting through the end of the second one or the beginning of the third one, I started feeling the difference. By the time I was done, man, I was floating. It was, yeah. I realize... You set the tone. What's that?

3:35:16BubblemanYou set the tone for who you were to become based on how you started puffing.

3:35:22SpeakerI had tried beer once or twice, but I didn't like it. And yeah, I did like this.

3:35:35Etienne FontanWell, thank you again, Sam, for everything you've done.

3:35:39BubblemanI was going to mention when Todd was talking about how we can't, sorry, I don't have headphones, guys. I'll try to turn this down a little bit. You might want to mute your mic if it's not muted, Sam. Just how we can't just visit each other easy. One more way prohibition has robbed us of a great, great wealth, you know, the greatest wealth, time with your friends.

3:36:01BubblemanYou know, like a thing that we sure appreciate when we can do it by meeting up in other countries, but when you're kept from your friends, and even in Colton Turner's situation, kept from your family, That's just kind of sadistic. You know, that's a type of jail in a sense where it's like, sure, you still have your lots of friends, you're still surrounded, you still have love.

3:36:22BubblemanSo it's not quite like jail in that sense. But there are certain people that you know you're supposed to gravitate to, that you're supposed to spend time to, that, you know, so much so that you end up going to like cannabis cups in Amsterdam for 20 years in a row or whatever, just because you're like, whatever, this is all right. If this is the place, this is the place, this is what we're going to have to do.

3:36:41BubblemanLet's make it happen. Thank you for watching.

3:37:01SpeakerThey're starting to do it. You know, we just, we talked about in California, there was an article that went around about cannabis convictions going up in smoke because in California, everybody now, part of 64 was that you can go back and ask for your previous convictions to be expunged. So it's the beginning. It's the start of what will happen. We're not criminals anymore. We shouldn't have been treated like them in the first place.

3:37:26SpeakerAnd the courts...

3:37:27BubblemanI'm not even looking for repatriation type stuff. I'm just looking for get rid of my record, okay? Sure, you put me through courts and you did all this stuff, but it's just like how about... I'm not like in the situation that you're in and that some of my other friends are in that literally had their freedoms taken for this plant. I was messed with and I got a record and I had my time.

3:37:47BubblemanLittle bits of freedom taken from being in a cage, but not like some of my friends that have done five and ten and more years. It's just, you know, for a plant, maybe that's a great crime, but think of how many great crimes that have been that are even more serious, genocides and such throughout history that also just seem to get swept under the rug and everyone's like, you know, just pretend that didn't happen.

3:38:14BubblemanI suspect they'll do it with Prohibition the same way they do it with everything else, just sort of sweeping under the proverbial rug.

3:38:24SpeakerYeah, I think that reality's catching up to Prohibition and Prohibition's getting its ass kicked. And I'm really glad to see it losing for a change.

3:38:38BubblemanI'm really glad to see Colin taking a dab for a change.

3:38:44SpeakerLet's do this. I better do one too then.

3:38:49Collin PalmerCoast to coast, man. Go.

3:38:52BubblemanCoast to coast. Look, he's already got a ship in his hand.

3:38:54SpeakerI can't let you do that by yourself. I appreciate it, man.

3:38:59BubblemanHe's good like that. He'll have your back in all sorts of situations, particularly the don't dab by yourself situation. Sometimes at three in the morning, I'll just hit him up on Skype and be like, D, do you need to take a rip? And I can't do it alone. And he'll be like all waking up like, No problem, bro. I got you. I'll take a rip with you at three in the morning.

3:39:19SpeakerHell yeah, you do.

3:39:26BubblemanWell, we've seen Johnny B and his girlfriend partying it up throughout the hotel and the event. We've seen Dana Larson and we've seen... Who else have we seen? It's been a good group. There's been quite a few people that we've bumped into. Miss Envy's here. Miss Envy's here, that's right. Mike and is it Taryn? Taryn.

3:39:47SpeakerTaryn. Taryn. Taryn. Taryn. Taryn.

3:39:49BubblemanTaryn. Taryn.

3:39:50SpeakerTaryn. Taryn. Taryn.

3:39:55SpeakerYeah.

3:39:56BubblemanBoth her and Mike are awesome.

3:39:58SpeakerYeah. Yeah.

3:39:59BubblemanBoth her and Mike. I like hanging out with both her and Mike. I've done a couple events where I've shared booths with them, and it's always been more than, dab it up strong. They actually got in a little bit of trouble for, The terpene. First, yeah, I think they were selling terpenes or something in the lift, not the lift, but the, there's been a few funny things.

3:40:21BubblemanI don't know if you watched the Wake and Bake the other day, but they came up to me at my booth and told me I couldn't blaze for the first day and a half at this event. I blazed hard, and I mean really hard. Today I blazed a little bit only because my friends got a super fucked up back and neck and he was in super pain.

3:40:37BubblemanI gave him one dab of the sweet skunk rosin and he was like, I could go dance right now. It was quite an amazing thing to see actually. So yeah, then we got sent to the lounge, and the lounge looked like an Apple store with all these phones, but the phones were vaporizers, and I guess that's what they wanted you to use. But we went in there with dab rigs and motherships and torches, and once like five or six of us erupted out into that, it was pretty quick security guards coming in and being like, first they said, you can't dab in the middle.

3:41:10BubblemanRemember those tables in the middle? You can't dab in the middle. You've got to go over to the side. So I literally take like three steps, and now I'm over on the side table, and I just finished my dab and got out of there. As you can see, I haven't cleaned my rig in about two days here, so it's looking a little bit rough, but we'll get it happening.

3:41:28BubblemanOh, thank you. I've got to shout these guys out. I meant to shout them out earlier.

3:41:33Collin PalmerSo that's delicious, yeah.

3:41:35BubblemanThis is the Skywalker rosin. Right. Whole plant, fresh frozen, solventless extract. Glacier melts. If you're in Canada, particularly if you're in Ontario, and for sure if you're in Toronto, remember this. Glacier melts. It makes some great hash. I've got a couple of vials.

3:41:57Collin PalmerThis is GHG. That's really delicious. I put the other two.

3:42:02BubblemanOh, yeah. Here's another one. So this one is... Oh, he doesn't have the name on it, but it was delicious, super cushy, and definitely five plus star. So if you want to try some juicy, juicy resin in Canada, Glacier Melts has you. JTK on this one, it looks real nice through the jar. It's been sealed. But yeah, they always sort me out. If you remember on Bubble Man's World, when we first met the Glacier Mount guys, it was here in Ontario.

3:42:32BubblemanIt was during not the Lyft conference, but I believe maybe Champs or the Treating Yourself, whatever it was before that. It's had a few different incarnations. And we, yeah. We met them. We went and visited their grow. We did a little video and hooked them up with a good friend of mine, True Genetics, 604 from Whistler, another dude that's been on the channel a bunch, and now he works.

3:42:57BubblemanAnd so they're making really nice solventless extracts, so I had to shout out Glacier Melts.

3:43:02Collin PalmerApparently Genetics too, but I haven't seen them, so look out for that.

3:43:08BubblemanI guess I better take a Glacier Melt dab, huh? Yeah, right?

3:43:10Collin PalmerI mean...

3:43:11BubblemanI mean, this shit is nice.

3:43:13Collin PalmerYou might want to heat that up, friend.

3:43:15BubblemanYeah, you might want to heat that up. It's so stuck to this jar. Try to get some out and show you guys, but it's definitely like superb quality. There we go. Kind of pulling it out a little bit. It's really like... Let's see if we can't get that in a better light.

3:43:38BubblemanNice. Very good quality. Five star plus. I'll put it on the nail and we'll see if it disappears. Maybe it'll be six star. I haven't hit this bubble yet.

3:43:56BubblemanIt's got that, oh, you know what it's got? That's barb. That's barb. That's 100% barb. He told me that he had barbed in there. It's barbed? Yep. Wow. I just figured that out. Very cool. All right. Well, I'm going to take a dab. Hopefully, you guys will join me.

3:44:09Collin PalmerIt's real hot, though. Careful.

3:44:11BubblemanReal hot.

3:44:12Collin PalmerYou might shaz up that, right?

3:44:14BubblemanI'll shaz up.

3:44:14SpeakerYou want to do a last dab? I kind of have to run, too. You doing a bone rip? And I don't know if I hang up. Yes. What'll happen if I hang up?

3:44:23BubblemanNo. Let's do it, Todd. One last dab, and we'll call it a day, and thank everyone for watching. A lot of last dab.

3:44:29SpeakerI don't know. There's got to be a...

3:44:31BubblemanLet's do it.

3:44:31SpeakerDon't rip, mother lovers. I got to wait for my rig to warm up.

3:44:37BubblemanI don't. I'm starting this dab.

3:44:46SpeakerNo, Mark.

3:44:51Etienne FontanAnd happy Memorial Day in the United States to those who gave all to be there. Thank you.

3:44:58SpeakerCheers for the freedom. We don't have to grow hemp in the front yard.

3:45:06SpeakerI'm joking about that. I'm joking. We're free. Keep telling everybody they're free. I'm just kidding.

3:45:17BubblemanWow.

3:45:17SpeakerEverybody's choking before me. That's not fair.

3:45:21BubblemanYeah, I know. I'm sorry. That was so low temp and amazing though.

3:45:24Collin PalmerOh my God. I guess, yeah. That was a nice, like, yeah.

3:45:30BubblemanIt was quite lovely. A little bit of, I wouldn't call it char, but just whatever, like a little bit of residuals there on the bottom. I think a lot of it's there, too, because I didn't hit it as hard as I could have. I'm happy. I like a nice, easy clean on the cords, let me tell you. Puts a smile on my face.

3:45:56BubblemanIt's not very difficult these days. Life is good. Well, I'll be back tomorrow morning with the Wake and Bake show. Giving away something. I don't know. I think I'm going to give away one of Joseph Kitchen's books actually tomorrow. He was kind enough to donate two of his coffee table cannabis photography books. And it's quite a nice book. I think it looks lovely on the coffee table.

3:46:21BubblemanSo I'm going to give one of those away tomorrow on the Wake and Bake show. So please tune in. It'll probably be around 9 a.m. Vancouver time, 12 p.m. East Coast. And yeah, come check it out. Maybe you'll win a book. Come in the next day. Maybe you'll win something else. I'm going to give a whole bunch of shit away this week. Should be fun. And in the meantime...

3:46:45BubblemanThank you for holding it down, Todd and D420K and Etienne and Skunkman Sam. As always, much appreciated. Try and put a show together next week together with maybe some special guests and I'm going to be back home. It'll be a little easier to run the show and thanks everyone for watching. Thanks for puffing and thanks for coming in. I'll see you all.

3:47:13SpeakerBye-bye. Peace.