Celebrating the Life of Horatio

0:01BubblemanYeah. All right. I think it's episode 10 today, our special episode of Hash Church 3.0. Let's wait to go live here on YouTube. There we go. Yeah, we're live, guys. Welcome, everyone, for Hash Church 3.0, episode 10, but also the special episode, an episode where we'll be discussing our fallen friend, Horatio, fallen soldier. Aaron Ward, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students,

0:53BubblemanThat was different than most of the things everyone else was doing. And that's another thing that I really appreciated about Horatio. So I want to welcome Wade Laughter to the room. Good to see you, buddy.

1:04Wade LaughterGood morning. Good morning.

1:07BubblemanOh, there we go. I hear my voice coming out of someone's computer. Let me make sure this is. There we go. Yeah. And I also want to welcome Etienne Fontaine. Another Hash Church alumni. How are you doing?

1:23Etienne FontanI'm doing well. Good morning. Much love to everyone. Much love to the spirit and love that was Horatio. Needless to say, his spirit was enduring and changed and made a lot of A lot of people excited about what he was doing and he was helping people and you know it's a lot of what we do is just try to do our best to help people and spread love and it really hit me hard the other day because his birthday came up on yeah my Facebook feed and that kind of hit because he didn't reach 40 you know that's uh Yeah, it's just humbling all the way around.

2:08Etienne FontanSo it's just a reminder to live, laugh and love and hug those that you don't care about and give them love and spread love and joy and do the best you can in these dark times.

2:22BubblemanAnd have bong rips.

2:24Wade LaughterYes.

2:26BubblemanAnd bong rips. Well said, Etienne. And bong rips. Awesome. Hey, welcome, Colin. Hey, guys. How you doing? You know, we're here gathering for a Hash Church episode. I'm always happy to gather with you guys. It's always a good time. It's a little bit of a sad episode today to be celebrating the life of a friend who's passed away, who did some great things in the cannabis industry.

2:53BubblemanAnd I just thought, You know, even though I hadn't really spoken with Horatio for probably a year or two even, I still felt the need to honor him on the platform, what he shared on the platform and all the people that he touched, felt pretty important to do that, be a part of his GoFundMe that raised money thanks to Johnny B. Johnny B really, you know, there he is right there, as I mentioned his name, what a crazy timing that is.

3:22BubblemanHe really kind of went above and beyond as John often does, you know, supporting the family and being there for the family and making sure that I knew about what was going on and some other key people while it was being kept very, very sort of on the low. We are not going to be discussing what happened to Horatio today. So please don't anyone ask what happened to Horatio.

3:43BubblemanWe are just going to celebrate the life of Horatio. We don't need to get into the depths of exactly what happened because a lot of people have been asking that. So yeah, I feel blessed, John, for sharing it all with me. And I'm very glad that you've been there to support the family and do everything that you can for them. And help with the GoFundMe and all that.

4:05BubblemanSo as always, Johnny B, good job, pal. How you doing this morning?

4:10ColinI'm doing great, brother.

4:11BubblemanThanks for all the kind words.

4:13ColinAnd yeah, I just, I've been, I've been there helping the family out totally with everything that they need. And just it's what I could do to help a brother, you know, so.

4:27BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I'll join you on that one. And Sam, Skunk Man Sam, how are you doing, my friend? Holy Christ.

4:35SpeakerI'm barely alive, dude. That's why I'm wearing a mask.

4:40BubblemanDude, first of all, when you told me that you had COVID, it blew me away because I think I've known you for like 20 some odd years and I don't think I've ever known you to be sick ever at all. Like, do you get sick?

4:52SpeakerI got very slightly ill in Barcelona at the Cannabids event.

4:58BubblemanYeah, when we almost died. That's what I'm saying. People don't even know that when you say that, that's not a joke. Like your wife was in the hospital. I've never been sicker in my entire life. And you got a tiny bit sick. And you did it after we left Barcelona. Like I never even saw you sick.

5:17SpeakerYeah, well, to be honest with COVID, I was sick. I got it from my wife. And then I was sick for 24 hours in bed. Sick as a dog. And the next day it was 85% gone. The next day, 90% gone. And then it was over.

5:34BubblemanWow. It really speaks to your immune system, Sam, because that's some next level crazy shit. I mean, you're not a young man, first of all. You're getting up there in age. And that's amazing that you just...

5:46SpeakerI'm overweight and I'm an old fucking geezer.

5:49BubblemanWell, I didn't want to go too deep into it, but there you go.

5:54BubblemanGood for you for surviving. Wow, that freaked me out. Yeah, Aryan got it as well. I saw Aryan was in bed and going through his COVID experience.

6:07BubblemanThat was just in the chat room.

6:10ColinHis experience was, he made it pretty real. It's pretty cool how he kind of went through what his condition was. He started jogging again. He talked about the rock, what happened with him. He started really explaining what to do and really getting to the people. Like, hey, when you get it, stay home. Try and build your immune system. We don't even know if that works right now, right?

6:27BubblemanYeah. Well, I'm glad you're okay, Sam. And I hope the wife is going to be okay as well.

6:36SpeakerI didn't eat for 24 hours. I was in bed for 24 hours. I didn't smoke for 24 hours. Whoa! What? In 50 years.

6:50BubblemanHoly. So now you know that that shit was real. If Sam didn't smoke for 24 hours, that was probably, I'd say, 20 hours longer than he's ever gone without a puff.

7:08SpeakerSomething like that, for sure. But I was in China one time and I barely smoked at all in China, but I did.

7:17BubblemanOh, I can picture you. I can picture you. I know exactly how you did it too. So I'm not going to go into it in detail, but I can picture it. Hey, welcome to the Dragonfly Earth Medicine. Josh is in the house. How you doing, brother?

7:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGood morning, everyone. Doing well. I got stung by a bee the other day, so I kind of have a little bit of a stung eye. Everything's good.

7:38BubblemanWhoa, you got stung by a bee on your face?

7:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, a wasp just like fucking came out and just directly bit me like right here, right on the eyelid.

7:48BubblemanI was gonna say, there's no way a bee bit you. Your vibes are too high for a bee, but a wasp, now that makes sense.

7:55SpeakerI don't think wasps bite.

7:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI do have a lot of wasp friends.

8:00BubblemanYeah, yeah, you're right. They do sting, but bites sting, they hurt. And when you get it on your face, I can't even imagine. We have a lot of bears on the property.

8:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, there was a lot of bears on the property and Skye's got these crazy bike jumps out there and the wasps made a huge nest in his berms. And I came out in the morning and there was this giant hole dug out of the berms and I was like, all these bees flying around. I was like, oh shit, I'm going to go check this out. And I had my camera with me.

8:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm like, oh, I'm going to film this. And I walk up to film it. And they just fucking attacked me. They just came out right in the eyes. Oh, shit. And I was like, well, usually the wasps are really awesome. And you can just be like, hey, I'm here. But when their house gets ripped out of the ground by a bear, they're just they're pissed off. So it's not good.

8:53BubblemanSo that's what happened. A bear opened that up.

8:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. Yeah. We had a bear, a mama and two cubs in the tree. And I think she dug it out with her two cubs.

9:03BubblemanWe got the same thing in Lions Bay right now. They were in my neighbor's yard yesterday, two cubs and a mama just cruising around. It's, you know, black bears, no problem. Squamish has had a grizzly bear hanging out for the last month and they finally were like, yeah, you know what? As cool as we are, we got to get rid of this grizzly bear because this thing's 700 pounds and it can literally eat people out of their cars.

9:25BubblemanSo they had to put it in a, you know, trap it and bring it up north, I suspect up to the Yalicum Valley or something like that.

9:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's cool. Yeah, we've had some grizzlies in our community here recently over the last few years. And recently we've had a couple grizzlies in the community. They act a lot different than the black bears. They're really awesome. They're still cool here. Hey, Mark, what's going on, brother?

9:54Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, everybody.

9:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHey, Doc.

9:57Dr Mark ScialdoneHow's everyone doing?

9:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHow are you feeling today?

10:02Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, we get this.

10:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHey Mark, how you doing brother? Doing good.

10:09Dr Mark ScialdoneJust chilling out, trying to stay uninfected.

10:14BubblemanThen don't go to Sam's place. Yeah, exactly.

10:20SpeakerOh my God.

10:22BubblemanOh, my goodness. Well, welcome, Dr. Mark. It was beautiful words that you wrote about Horatio the other day in the hash church there. I was quite taken aback by those words. It was I know we had our own discussion, but it was it was nice to see, you know, he he was a very I'll never forget the first time I met Horatio through Johnny B. John was you know, John's always like excited, like a kid in a candy store.

10:44BubblemanYou know, he's like excited, like a kid in a candy store. He's legitimately like you can't. Thank you so much for watching.

11:14BubblemanAnd then time kind of went by and I was kind of like, I was looking at it. I was like, this stuff does kind of look crazy. Fuck, it's got that crazy smell. So finally I took a dab of this shit and it was definitely the early inception of Horatio's And I'm sure it was Dr. Mark who helped him figure out how to distill out the citrus oils, the 5% citrus oils that show up in a five gallon tub of D-Limonene.

11:43BubblemanAnd these are, if you watch the Inner Sanctum with Horatio and I, that's where I did my first solvent extraction. He actually had me pour the limonene through the tube. There you go, Bubba Kush right there. You're on mute, Johnny B. He's got the delimiting right there.

11:58ColinAnd this is the number one. So the very first one he made is actually sitting on my desk in my office. And it was with Medicoach, which was pretty cool. And yeah, like you said, Mark, I first met Horatio at Ignite Smoke Shop through Brandon and in the basement. And they were like, you got to meet this guy downstairs. He's like, just like amazing. And I'm like, what downstairs?

12:21ColinThat's how I met Horatio was through Brandon through Ignite Smoke Shop. And Rihanna. And Rihanna. Yeah. And then I went down there and like, this guy's all about research. Just like you are, John, you got to go down and talk to this guy. And I went down there like, Hey, I'm John. He's like, uh, I'd be making these extractions. And I'm like, Oh, I need it.

12:40Dr Mark ScialdoneI think he found me through. I think he found me through Jim Frayer. Remember, remember Jim Marcus. And so, so Jim and I were on an Adam Dunn show. Maybe I want to say, um, like right around, um, Just before 420 in 2014. And so Horatio had reached out to me and I don't even think he knew who I was. I mean, I and I barely used Facebook.

13:08Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I didn't barely use Facebook, but I didn't use it really to reach out sort of the cannabis people. He was one of the first people who sort of reached out to me and just started asking all kinds of questions. And it turned into a relationship where I gave him some background references on how to purify Limonene, because he had been getting it from maybe not too reputable sources.

13:32Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd there was really a lot of question around, you know, well, what is this, you know, the intended use for? Because it is used in foods, you know, and derived from citrus, the citrus industry. But it is filled with all kinds of nasty shit in a technical grade, like they have like an 85% grade and there's 15% other stuff. And this was simultaneous with having the discussions around TNCA crystallization, which is, I went back, Marcus, you know what this really did?

14:03Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was so cool to do this, man. I went back and I listened to every hash church up to the hash church where I had first signed in. Now, Horatio had been like texting me during hash church, like not texting me, but sending me Facebook messenger things. Hey, Tony is saying this. Tony is saying this. Is this right? Having me like, you know, check up on what Tony was saying because Tony was on Hash Church.

14:33Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then finally, he's like, you should come on and talk about terpenes and stuff. And my first episode was episode 19. I went back and watched it. And you had just come back from Amsterdam, I think, or Jamaica? No, Amsterdam, I think. Because Hash Church 18, your episode was going over to Amsterdam and then you were over there for a week and then you're in the airport in Toronto.

15:03Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd it was just me and Horatio at first on that episode, episode number 19. So that was my first episode on Hash Church. That's awesome. Yeah, life wasn't the same. So it kind of forced me to go back and look at that. But it also looked, I went back and looked at this long Jerry Larkin, Jr.: Messenger thread that we had. And it's like, my gosh, he would just spill his guts about all kinds of things, you know, and I know there was a little bit of a falling out there for Jerry Larkin, Jr.: Sometimes he had a falling out with Kenny.

15:32Dr Mark ScialdoneHe thought that Kenny Tricone Kenny was going to suit him for some Mark Toney, So I don't exactly recall, but, um, The Terps. It's funny how it all connects. Mark Toney, He unloaded like a three page, you know, just, ah, I just don't know what to do. And, you know, I can't really, you know, I have to think about myself and I was just like, Hey man, just keep doing your thing and, you know, stay pure to what you do.

15:57Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd again, like I say in my Facebook post, his last Steve Adubato, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

16:13Dr Mark ScialdoneSome difficult times. It was too bad about Kay.

16:16BubblemanYou know, I've always liked Kay. I still like Kay. He still won't talk to me over the terpenes. You know, it was Kay that called me and he said, listen, I have a gold nugget for you. He said he was working with Shulgin. He was doing the terpene extraction. He had already posted the picture of Shulgin smelling the terpenes, that classic picture. And he sent me a message or called me actually.

16:36BubblemanAnd he said, listen, you need to figure out how to get the terpenes out of the bubble water, distill them down and get them back into your product. And I was kind of like, I was like, do I like, do I need to do that? But I kind of, you know, he was like, listen, it's really important. I just want you to do this. And I did not have time to do such a thing and was not in a position to do such a thing.

16:57BubblemanSo I told literally two people about it. I told Tony and I told Horatio. And those were the two people that brought terpenes to the market. And Kay was I'm pissed about that. And I mean pissed. He was really mad. Like the text he sent me, I had to delete off my phone because they were so harsh. And he told me he had a patent. His patent was for every method of terpene extraction from cannabis whatsoever.

17:25BubblemanIt covered everything. It was very much not like K. It just wasn't, it didn't sound, I've known K for 20 years at this point in time. And this was the first time I ever had a disagreement with him, let alone, and I send him a message probably every six months saying, hey, bro, I'm thinking about you. Thank you so much.

18:00BubblemanYou know, as important as it was for Sam to do what he did with the very few of us that got to learn the modulating effects of terpenes back in early 2000s in his apartment in Amsterdam, because that was, of course, you can always trace it back to Sam. And Sam's not the one crying that everyone took this idea from him. But it's always seems to be, it always seems to be Sam, right?

18:21Bubbleman2000, I think he hit me with the pure cannabinoids and the pure terpenes. I had never seen anything like it. But it was really Tony and Horatio who made it available to the public. They were suddenly now able to have these cannabis derived terpenes, hold them in their hands, see them, feel them, smell them, touch them, consume them, dab them. And that was a big deal. And it is unfortunate that sometimes we end up in these clashes.

18:46BubblemanAnd I know Horatio was never in a position where he was So, you know, making so much money that he was just very confident and secure. So for Kay to have laid that on him, that he was going to going to sue him, that weighed on Horatio like a great deal. I had conversations. I had conversations with him about that, you know, where I had already gone through like a six year lawsuit with Reinhardt.

19:08BubblemanSo I was like, All right, Kay, like, bring it on. You want to, you want to do lawsuits? Like I, I know how to do lawsuits. And that's another, you know, two more, well, Reinhart was never on hash church, but he was certainly a giant part of the hash community and the hash world because he created that machine. And that machine was exactly where the bags were created from RIP to Eldon, who was the gentleman who came up with the bag idea.

19:35BubblemanRyan Hart, who passed away at the end of 2018 or the end of 2017, right when his patent expired. If you can imagine, Ryan Hart passed away as his water extraction patent also perished. And I also want to give a shout out to Dr. Lester Grinspoon, who was also a HASH Church alumni, made it on here for a couple of episodes and obviously lived an incredible life.

19:58BubblemanIt was not quite the same Thank you so much for joining us today.

20:30BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

20:52BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today.

21:14Etienne FontanYou know, I was the PTS study in marijuana, the forbidden medicine. And, you know, he touched my life back after the war and was willing to put forward. We all published anonymously, but I am thanked in the forward. But that was one of my early I think my biggest access to self-healing was to actually write down my story. I'd gone around and told it for a few years, going around being an activist with the I was fortunate to do rallies in 47 states, you know, got kicked out of Canada with our legal marijuana from LV Muzica, but Dr. Grinspoon was a force and, you know, he suffered the slings and arrows for the things that he published and took a lot of heat for it as a pioneer.

22:05Etienne FontanAnd as I look around at a whole bunch of other pioneers here, we all know that unfortunately the All of those painful piercings that can happen when you tread where nobody else has tread and tried. And Dr. Grinspoon definitely deserves an honor in our halls forever because what he did, what he done in the darkest of ages and pushed forward with his life for all of us to see and giving me a shoulder to stand on, needless to say, it was beyond humbling.

22:39Etienne FontanI kind of want to give a shout out to because I've been doing my own veteran healing. Shout out to the Veterans Access Initiative, Rico and Pearson and Veterans Virtual Happy Hour, Jose and them on Fridays. Brad Warren, I've been keeping me sane during this COVID stuff. So we're working actually behind the scenes. We have some really cool stuff happening. Did you all know that the Compassionate IND program, or at least the Investigative New Drug program, was reopened by the United States government due to Epidiolex?

23:12Etienne FontanOh, yeah. And so what we're going to try to do is we're going to try to re-access and take veterans through that and get access again, be it most likely from importation as opposed to getting that crappy Mississippi weed. But yeah, look out. We're coming out as a force. Ed Chen. Yes, sir.

23:34SpeakerThe Epilex is made out of a CBD variety I developed and licensed to GW.

23:42Etienne FontanI know you did because you're the master and thank you very much for what you did because I have not tried Epidiolex but at the same time it's creation and due to Sativex's failure allowed the IND program to reopen so That's huge for patients who want access to investigative new drugs because it was shut down in the early 90s due to a congressperson basically saying because a bunch of AIDS patients were signing up that people were trying to get access to the program so they could spread AIDS around the world so they think they have the access to marijuana.

24:22Etienne FontanAnd so they shut down the program.

24:25SpeakerRobert Randall helped arrange for the AIDS patients to make those applications for the program.

24:33Etienne FontanAnd for those who don't know, Robert Randall was the first person to win the right to have access to medical cannabis from the United States government grown at the University of Mississippi in Oxford. Dr. Olsola and them are still at it, but maybe through this program, we can get them to grow some good weed finally by importing from either Israel or some of these other countries that'll force them, even Canadian weed, which would be able to import for the Combash and IND program.

25:01Etienne FontanSpeaking of, which would you recommend as an access from of your Canadian weed? What would you recommend to us American veterans?

25:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe would recommend regenerative hemp or cannabis grown organically because we find that the chemicals that are often used in the grow can affect, you know, the mind space of the medicine afterwards. So especially with, you know, You know, people from the military and stuff. And there are more people in our area in the Kootenays that have been licensed recently that could provide you with some of that medicine, which is, I'm going to say somewhat new.

25:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, you know, the licensed producer program here in Canada has not been set up to really produce like, you know, let's say intentional medicine and whatnot. So, you know, I would love to hook you up with a couple of people in our area and see if it would work out.

26:00BubblemanSome of the problems in Canada with organics as well, just like it's the same problem in California and the Salinas Valley, is that trying to grow organically while everyone else is bombing avid and malathion on their avocados and their raspberries and blueberries makes it damn near impossible to grow organically. You really have to make sure you choose your farm position wisely. And also potentially hope to control your neighbor's farms if they're being farmed or if they're being sold to people coming in with the intention of farming.

26:33BubblemanBecause the amount of people who grow conventionally, which is the word they use for poison, Thank you so much for joining us.

27:03BubblemanAlso with Health Canada, not really allowing, kind of like the US was there where microbial counts, you were failing in microbial counts and they weren't necessarily the microbes that were the negative microbes. So these things have a long way to go, I think. I, you know, like obviously in Health Canada's programs, you're not allowed to have this sort of full closed loop, like have goats shitting over there and have like, you know, your compost, like it's very, very structured and very controlled and hopefully Thank you.

27:34BubblemanThank you. Thank you.

27:52BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

28:17BubblemanCanadian cannabis program Health Canada can start understanding the value of terroir and how it applies to cannabis. We may very well get to that place that you're already at, Josh.

28:30SpeakerThere are two different crops though, Marcus, because grapes are grown in native earth. Cannabis, very little cannabis grown outdoors is actually grown in native earth. Almost all of it is in bags or man-made soil.

28:47BubblemanYes, yes, that's true.

28:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo in the case of the regenerative farmers and... And even some of the licensed, two of the licensed farmers in our area, they are growing in native soil and they are growing outdoor varietals. And with the help of some of the genetic research going on with like Daryl Hudson and Planta and all that, there's hemp that's being tested still. We've got a lot of varieties out here, outdoors and whatnot that can finish out here because as we've stated before, Kelly and I have personally grown out a lot of the hemp variety, almost all of the hemp varietals.

29:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, you can't say all, but a shitload of them have, we've tried to grow them outdoors out here and they just don't come. They just don't finish and they don't have the same flavor or the same profile. So getting an outdoor varietal that works out here that's also registered in the Canadian hemp bracket is still in process. And let's say since the licensed producers here in Canada I've somewhat had a failed run, you know, and the Canadian government is seeing, you know, how this isn't working.

30:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's change coming to our community and, you know, there's people that are looking at making changes and maybe ATN or something you can like, I think I'm going to talk to the Canadian people about what California has done with microbials. And California only tests for human pathogens, if I'm correct, which are like E. coli and botulism and listeria. You could maybe name off all of them. And I think using human pathogens as something to test for and heavy metals, that kind of makes sense to me.

30:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI have a question.

30:41Etienne FontanBecause of soil, not everybody can prep their soil properly, okay? Which is true, right? And I have veterans and a lot of people ask me, well, what's the best over-the-counter soil That's on the market that you would recommend for cannabis growers that don't have access to do what you beautiful people do up at Dragon Flame, others that actually prep their soil. What would you recommend as an over-the-counter soil that you could add to, et cetera?

31:16Collin PalmerI mean...

31:17SpeakerThank you.

31:18Collin PalmerGo ahead. I like... I like Build A Soil a lot. I think they have a lot of options for the home grower. They also offer some cover crop solutions for you. You know, I think that's a good way to start. And then there's also super soil recipes online that you can easily look up and mix and match your favorite amendments from, you know, such as, you know, the Dempure offerings that you have.

31:44Collin PalmerYou can mix your own soils pretty easily. And it doesn't really require much space to do something like that if you're doing, you know, a small grow for yourself. And I'd highly recommend that for anyone out there to really All right, so we're going to get into the soil biology and biome of what you're doing. And I wanted to interject on what Josh was saying about growing at scale with regenerative practices.

32:13Collin PalmerIn upstate New York, there's a 2,600-acre farm that is rotational with 30 acres of hemp on it. And all we do on that farm is grow regeneratively

32:26Collin PalmerWe, you know, it's in a rotation with other crops. So it's very much on a schedule, much like a conventional farm would actually run their schedules. However, the inputs are actually forged from the land itself, also doing carbon sequestering and things of that nature. So I think what I've seen over that time working with that project, I've seen, you know, a lot of trials and tribulations, but I now feel, you know, it's really It's plausible to do this large scale.

32:57Collin PalmerAnd I do believe that that is something that we can all look towards.

33:00ColinI was just in here talking about all the organic growing and stuff like that. I remember when uh ratio here um started making out the compost piles and stuff like that and adding all the chicken to it and stuff like that and yeah like i'm at his house right now and he's got all the big cement mixers and you should see all the piles of they have all the organic growers there and stuff like that and all his beds that he put out there because they're growing all their own food and stuff like that and he he really got really into what you guys are talking about but He always tried to do it a little different.

33:32ColinHe always tried to do it his way. Always tried to kind of reinvent the wheel in some way and stuff like that. I'm just seeing all these piles of near the hen right now and he's got all this tarps over it and he's getting all this dirt ready for spring for next year and stuff like that. And I think I'm going to go there and grab a bunch of that actually and pile it back in my truck and bring it to my house today because I know he worked a lot on that.

33:55ColinAnd that's my first of my living soils that I'm going to start because I keep talking about it.

34:01BubblemanHey, big hugs, Johnny. Grow some herb in Horatio's soil.

34:07ColinI am. I'm totally going to do that. I can see it there as you're talking about it. And thank you for talking about that because I just forgot about what he was doing there. And then now seeing it there, I'm sort of a little teary-eyed about it, of course, because he's a good friend. But it was pretty awesome to see just what we always put. And he was always saying the Terps, we got to get those Terps going.

34:30ColinIt's always about the Terps. And he knew that the general way was how they were going to get the best Terps. And then he went into hydro and I'm going through all this hydro gear right now. And I mean, he literally tried reinventing growing guys. It was like he's the spinners and all these tubes and All of that stuff. And it was, and he was always trying to get there.

34:49ColinAnd when regenerative soils come into play here and all these living soils and stuff like that, like the flavors that we're getting from the cannabis, it's just so amazing. And really it's really cool to talk more about that, about trying to get those terms, trying to look at that whole natural thing. And that's what Horatio was all about was, It was all about natural. He didn't want any chemicals in anything.

35:11ColinAnd if he did an extraction that had anything that was sprayed on it, he would give it back to you.

35:16SpeakerHe's like, you can't spray anything on there. It had powdery mildew, so it's not working.

35:20ColinAnd it was, he was always chasing that. And I saw the soils as you're talking about that. And that's how we really got to give back is by growing and getting those turps and living what you love to do, right?

35:34BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, we have it all on record, you know, like there's a lot of Horatio recordings on Hash Church. And in fact, there's a lot of all of you guys on Hash Church. We're all going to have meet our maker one day and pass on it. We'll all have done a ton of different things. But the amount of time and energy and talking and sharing that you guys have done here on this platform will and should live on for a very long time.

36:00BubblemanI have them all backed up. I've removed them all, copied them all off of YouTube so they're secure on multiple hard drives. I think of it as very, very priceless information that I never, ever plan to monetize, but always plan to share and give away. And make sure that, you know, what a great thing. Like Mark said, you can go back and you can watch literally hours and hours and hours.

36:28BubblemanI think there's probably half a dozen.

36:37ColinAnd then we lost Mark for a second.

36:41Dr Mark ScialdoneDid he freeze up? Marcus.

36:42ColinHe got his freeze on. He got his freeze on, but like what Mark was saying. I like that face that he's been left with. That's a good one.

36:51Dr Mark ScialdoneFreshly chosen.

36:52SpeakerI'm taking over the show now.

36:54BubblemanI don't know what happened. I was saying good things there. You were. Oh, you was profound. We were all wrapped. Horatio's playing games with us. That's good.

37:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, I would just add, or go ahead if you want to say something. Horatio is shining his love down on us right now. I would add to what was said about all the soils saying that I agree with everything that's said there. And it's beautiful that Johnny's being able to connect with, you know, Horatio through the soil and through the turps and everything. And, you know, there's buying soil, you know, on, you know, line or getting it in bags and that can be done.

37:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then, you know, people will use teas on top of that to make it really work. And a lot of people will, All right, so we're going to go ahead and get started.

38:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTo make your own soil. So I think it's great, Colin, that you brought up build a soil and making your own soil. So when you make your own soil and even veterans or people that have a small amount of space, I think it's really important to look at the components of your soil and the act of mixing all that and getting microbes, living microbes, and putting that together is a healing process in itself.

38:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then you start getting your seed together. You start thinking and connecting with the soil and and then the seed and you put the seed in there or a clone and then you put that in there because, I mean, growing isn't an automatic thing. It's something that really is a spiritual connection. So making your own soil is really the first part of that. And buying dust and powders and stuff from stores is only so alive.

38:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I would say going out on a walk, and I want to make this really clear, and selectively grabbing some inoculants from nature. And I realize some people don't live near nature, so I'm in full awareness that not everyone can do this. But for the people that can, You can grab like a small little handful and put it in a bag, a small bag of leaf duff and leaf matter.

39:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's your living organizms. And the living organizms really Thank you for joining us today.

39:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey're biological and they're alive when they're eating something. So top dressing, you know, nettle powder or alfalfa powder or, you know, whatever you can get, ganja leaf, any of your defoliating leaves that are healthy, you could dry out or you could just drop them right on your soil. And that feeds the top layer. We know the top layer of soil is the most active. So you want to feed the top layer of soil once you get your soil base.

40:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo that's where the depth of terpenes come from. That's where the plant is able to express itself. We know the plant is expressing itself. And Mark and different people can talk about the science behind how a plant is able to be different in an aeroponic situation or a hydroponic or a fully biological rich soil. So There's a lot of people nowadays moving towards using these soils in a production way and also in a backyard way.

40:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I just wanna really encourage people to continue with it because it's the future and it's how we're going to make it into the future. And it's how we are gonna be able to connect with longevity and longevity is missing right now in our lives in many different areas. I would add, I would add to that, Josh, your own soils really, really important.

41:20BubblemanI would I would add to that, that if you want a great book for learning all of this, that's really fun and easy to read. This comic book is like second to none. It blew me away. Grow organic. It starts with this like Dutch guy. And he's growing, he's growing with salts and chemicals and he's looking on the labels and he's like, what the heck? Look at all this stuff.

41:44BubblemanThis stuff can kill you. And so he tosses it all away and he starts learning about organics and he basically go, they go through the entire book. The nature cycle takes you through like this beautiful visuals of what's going on in the plant. All of this complex information put into a comic book that I've been reading to my son and basically picking up the knowledge just while I read this to him at bedtime to go to sleep.

42:17BubblemanSo definitely check this out. It's on Amazon. Freely adapted from the Organic Grow book by Carol Schellhut and Michiel Panhusen. I'll put their names up because I didn't spell them very well and take a little snapshot of that.

42:31Etienne FontanIt's also on Kindle.

42:34BubblemanYeah, yeah, exactly. It is great. And it was Alpen Glow that I believe shared this the first time on a show that Josh and Kelly were doing.

42:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also Jesse, BioVortex, Regenerative Cannabis Farm, where Jesse's got a character in that book. And he was in communication with those two in, I believe, France when they were creating it. Yeah, it's an awesome book. Totally agree. It's a- It's definitely France. Yeah, kids book made, you know, for, you know, everyone. Also, Rodale's Guide to Compost is a really good base from the 40s till now, you know, and they continue to bring information about regenerative farming.

43:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnother thing to look into is in your local community is municipal compost and municipal dirt that's being made. Thank you so much for joining us today.

43:52Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicineum before you use the municipal compost maybe ask them if they have testing for uh fertilizer residuals or um uh herbicides or fungicides um so municipal compost is also kind of like if when it's good it's it's a local soil that has organizms from your local area and that we could go on and on about soil but blessings alice how are you today are you how are you holding up in your community

44:20SpeakerHey, everyone. Good morning. Happy to see you all. Sorry I'm late on a Sunday. I woke up kind of late today. I am well. The sun is shining today. I've been kind of stoked that there's not that much smoke in the air here in North Cal. And pretty excited to see the Soil movie too. And you were talking about the Soil and I can't wait to see the Kiss the Ground.

44:45SpeakerYou guys were talking about this before. Has anyone seen it? Flynn's here with me too. He's going to join in a minute. And just want to say happy Sunday to you all.

44:56BubblemanAwesome well welcome Alice it's good to have you guys both here it's uh yeah we wanted to definitely talk a little bit about the fires today as well and how that's affecting everyone down along the west coast and how we can kind of point people in the direction of the right uh the right ways to offer help you know i've seen uh i'm on an email chain with josh and kelly from dragonfly earth medicine you may very well be on it as well alice i don't look at the names but uh Yeah it was nice to see all these people just offering help and you know like whatever it is no matter how small it's offered and it's like look this is what I can offer and this is what I will offer so that makes you feel good when uh it's not you know people using each other as ladders to climb on top of one another to get to the top but they're actually like helping each other and putting a hand down to to lift someone up so that's that's the kind of communities I want to be involved with.

45:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah and during this time of political turmoil and environmental turmoil there's just a lot of divisive potential out there you know who's going where you know which direction and everything and and even in the cannabis space you know we've talked about it it can become a competitive space because people are trying to make it work with ideas and all that but you know what we've really Thank you so much for joining us today.

46:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're so excited to be here. We're so excited to be here. We're so excited to be here.

46:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

47:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's a bunch of people that got burnt up in their houses. And one of our close family members, you know, ran out of his house, his neighbor woke him up. And every he went out with two, you know, two different socks in his underwear. And you hear a lot of these stories, you know, and he lost everything. And he's a cannabis grower for 20 years on the coast of Oregon.

47:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey love to Sheldon. And, you know, he lost all of his clothes he's been working on and our family members and In Portland and Meg and Liz and Pat and a bunch of people, Casey, helped get a lot of his strains back to him because he gave plants to people in the Portland area and they were flowering out and people went to their houses and took clones off flowering plants.

47:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, to get back to him so he could continue his journey of, you know, breeding and get his life back together. And he's working on court cases right now against the electric companies because electricity went out. And then the fires are all over the place and the electricity came back on again. So I don't know what's right and wrong with electricity, but electricity is a big thing that's killing us when it comes to massive fires.

48:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo wires go down and fires start. And it's it's insane. You know, there's no forestry management that's going to stop that. You know, we go on and on about managing and all that. But so it's been it's been phenomenal. So another thing is, is actively at the moment in Trinity County, Flower Days Farm is super, you know, nervous about a fire that's in their area. And, you know, I'll say a few things that we don't know for sure, but there are like Thank you so much for joining us today.

49:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, Wade, maybe you can talk about some of the links that you know about. But, you know, Rio and Alpenglow and Gil, Ganja Gil and Walter from Soul Spirit, Holly Hall and Crystal, you know, a bunch of other people. But, you know, those people have said like, you know, hey, We got you covered. We got a truck. We got the last hose. We got a pump.

49:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat food do you need? We're on our way right now today. And maybe it was yesterday in the afternoon, but it's like right now where they're bringing over a total support. And I would just say, you know, we have our network because you can only have what network you have. But, you know, people are really willing to help one another right now. And it's really important to band together and also to help protect each other because Thank you so much for joining us.

50:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's insane. So be diligent and strong and use your community. And I just want to give special love to the peer certified community and all the people that are beyond that that are helping people. And the fires are crazy right now. Wade, do you have any input on that? Because you've had a lot of I've input also Valerie Corral and Santa Cruz. I mean, a big love to Brett and Dos Peros who did lose his home completely.

51:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I know Valerie right now has said that all of the floor space in her house is taken up by people who have lost their homes.

51:20Etienne FontanYeah, Foxworthy Farms who supports us in Berkeley. Martin O'Brien, he just lost his house and part of the farm. Part of it was saved. It's just the winds are so random. I mean, it's amazing what survives and what doesn't. So much love to Valerie and everybody else. I know they've had a very challenging time.

51:51Etienne FontanDid he mute himself right at the end there, or was that just me?

51:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat was the last thing you said, ATN?

51:56Etienne FontanI said I heard that Valerie's farm was saved? Yes.

52:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey didn't know at first and it was like one of those things like, oh, what's up? But they, from what I know at this moment, it is safe.

52:11Etienne FontanYeah, there was a lot of confusion and even she didn't know when I saw her posting on social media. So I heard through the rumor control that, you know, it was safe. So to hear confirmation is great to hear. Although I know there's definitely damage, et cetera, and expect a lot of Smokey Kush and Hickory Kush on the East Coast this year, people. Unfortunately, but that's the reality bubble.

52:37SpeakerSay it again, Marcus. What was that?

52:42BubblemanI call it Chipotle bubble. People are like, oh, there's something weird with this bubble. And I'm like, oh, that's like wildfires bubble.

52:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm going to be the Chipotle sauce.

52:52BubblemanYeah, it's just got this smoky flavor. It's terrible. Like, it's not funny. Like, it's not funny, but it is like, fuck. Like, it's unbelievable. I just pray and I pray and I pray that 2021 doesn't say to 2020, hold my beer.

53:11Etienne FontanPeople have to understand because the plant is resinous, all that smoke debris sticks to the plants and kind of gets into it and you can't wash it off. So unlike fruit, you know.

53:23Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, but I think they could just turn it into distillate, right? Because they could clean up distillates.

53:29BubblemanThat's what they have to do, Mark. That's the only option.

53:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, a lot of those, you know, and it's nice to have an option, but a lot of those people are grown, you know, it's... They're all organic growers. And the thing they're like, oh, sweet, I just made an isolate. It's like, it's not really very successful in that sense, you know. But yeah.

53:50Wade LaughterFrom the farmer's point of view.

53:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI know.

53:52Wade LaughterGo ahead. Yeah, from the farmer's point of view, turning, if your business model, if you will, is set up on the idea of being able to sell high-end trimmed flowers that people consume by smoking, Thank you for joining us.

54:30Wade LaughterLike Marcus was saying, hold my beer because more is coming. What happened here with fires back in August was early in August, around the 8th or the 9th, one night, a line of thunderstorms blew from south to north along the length of California, mostly along the coast range. And there were like 12,000 lightning strikes. All right, we're going to take a short break. We'll be right back.

55:27Wade Laughter26 times more has burned this year than burned last year.

55:31Dr Mark ScialdoneWe had a bad fire season last year. I know that this is overhyped in the news a lot and certainly things that we should be concerned about, but do you think there's a direct correlation to climate change?

55:44Wade LaughterWell, climate change and large areas that

55:53Wade LaughterTo be speak plainly belong to either large property owners and or the US government or state governments. And there's no funding to do any sort of forest management other than cutting trees for lumber.

56:08Etienne Fontan60% of California is federal forest land. On top of that, we're also, as Wade is talking, there's also been not proper burning for decades. So there's unfortunately a lot of fuel out there. On top of that, sudden oak death has also caused problems throughout forests because you have certain trees dying in certain areas. And those are dry tinder, which only, and they're spotted. Yeah, here in the Sierra Nevada.

56:40Etienne FontanI didn't mean to interrupt you there.

56:42Wade LaughterHere in the Sierra Nevada, the pine beetle.

56:46Collin PalmerYeah, the eucalyptus as well. That's highly, highly flammable.

56:52Wade LaughterYeah.

56:53SpeakerIt is worse now. It is worse now for all the reasons you guys are saying. But let's be perfectly frank and honest. It's the natural cycle of the forest in California. The lightning strike burns down huge areas. It takes 100 years to regenerate. This has been going on for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Man is what stuck his houses in the middle of this.

57:23Wade LaughterYes, exactly, Sam. I'm a good example of that. I've got, you know, a little farm at a thousand meters in the Sierra Nevadas near Grass Valley, Nevada City area. And I love, part of why I came here is there's so many beautiful trees. We have huge, huge chestnuts and oaks. I mean, we have four, on a four acre property, we have four oaks that are 120 feet tall and Gary Sheffer, MD, Bigger than our house.

57:56Wade LaughterThey're just amazing. And we have an amazing amount of acorns dropping this year, as a matter of fact. But back to fires, what we've done is a pretty serious effort of fire safe clearing, as it's called. And we haven't really satisfied the requirements. But you kind of live with this idea that, as Josh was saying, at any moment, particularly on a windy night, Steve Sorenson, MD, All of a sudden there's smoke in the air and you've got literally a couple of minutes to get your shit together and be ready to leave because you might get burned out.

58:35Wade LaughterAnd what's real about that is it's actually happened to a number of people we know. And those of us who have not had that, and we are in that category, there's been a couple of fires in our county. A big one north of us is happening in the same area where the fire two years ago killed 80 some people in the town of Paradise. And that was a fire that was started by PG&E's electrical transmission system failing in a river canyon.

59:10Wade LaughterOne of the hangers on a high tension wire broke and cascaded sparks. And it was a windy morning about five o'clock. And by seven o'clock, the town of Paradise was on fire. And everybody that was in it that didn't make it out is one of those 88 dead. So we all live with that idea that that could happen at any moment, particularly for those of us that live in an urban, or excuse me, the wild lands, you know, where, like myself, I live in a whole bunch of trees.

59:42Wade LaughterIt's a beautiful spot. I'm really grateful to have it. But yeah, fire happens here, just like Sam was saying.

59:48SpeakerWell, one of the things you can do besides a fire break is to have tile roofs and have brick or stone All of those things, those are almost impossible to burn.

1:00:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, another really good thing to do is a lot of the conifer trees and things that are right directly around your home. You cannot have those, a conifer tree right around your home and then have more grassy or garden areas right around your home. And then putting a sprinkler on the peak of your roof and hard plumbing in like with maybe a metal conduit, like sprinklers on the top of your roof and turn them on so there's like a wall of water coming down your roof.

1:00:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd a lot of people have been able to save their homes with fire just going right around their house. So, you know, I'm a little nervous that everyone's just like, oh, we got to cut all the branches and trees down in order to save ourselves from fires. And I just want to encourage people, instead of burning off your branches, consider digging them into the earth. Consider putting those branches.

1:01:01SpeakerIf you leave them around your house, they're going to burn anyway from the sparks in the air.

1:01:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd to speak with Collins was saying any excavator or someone and dig them into the earth. Go ahead.

1:01:14Etienne FontanEucalyptus trees are not only a problem, they're an inundation problem because California brought in a whole bunch of eucalyptus back in the day. I think 27 different varietals here and they're not indigenous. They brought them because they wanted them to grow paper or grow wood. Unfortunately, the microbes in the soil causes the wood

1:01:39Collin PalmerJust broke up there.

1:01:41Etienne FontanOil also kills everything.

1:01:47Etienne FontanSorry, the oils also, you know, kill everything below. So you've got a combination of trees that will also full of oil that can explode. So that's also a problem in California that isn't really talked about. Eucalyptus also sucks out all the moisture from the ground.

1:02:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd eucalyptus is not good to make a hugelpile from. Go ahead, Colin.

1:02:13Collin PalmerYeah, I was just going to just kind of add to what you guys were saying. And it's an invasive species and it does need to be managed. And to your point, it's hard to deforest eucalyptus because it's so invasive. It's just, it's unbelievable how invasive that species is.

1:02:36Etienne FontanI'm amazed how people don't talk about that reality. You know what I'm saying? None of the news touches on that. And it's so, because it's so invasive, it's in every forest and thick and they overtake a great part of where they grow. I think that, yeah, you're right.

1:02:57Collin PalmerI think it's a good, Marcus, wouldn't you say it's a good time for a group dab?

1:03:02BubblemanYeah, I think Johnny B had some of Horatio's terp champagne out. He was going to make a toast maybe and we'll have a nice little dab. I think that's, I think that's in order.

1:03:11ColinI will definitely open this bottle, but it will be in a room of some special friends. And it's Horatio Delbert Concentrate LHGO. And he gave me one of these bottles, like you guys is like five years old, six years old. It's one of his first bottles. And I was going to kind of crack it on as a service, but there's going to be a day that we open this bottle in honor.

1:03:35ColinAnd today's not really that morning right now, but I would like to one day celebrate With his Terp Champagne. And I remember when he came up with the first Terp Champagne. And I know, Mark, you've tried it. And I brought some bottles to my friend's wedding there back in 2016. And just an honor to be able to have some of the first Terp Champagne and still be able to celebrate.

1:04:00ColinBut right now I've got this LHO on the end of this dab rig right here. I'm getting my Temp Tech heated up. I started smoking a little bit of this right away there when his passing happened and I've got like one left but I'm going to keep that last one for my last time. Mother lovers.

1:04:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI've got some nice hats here from Flav Marcus. Flav. 421 came on over, Dave, and spent some time at our house last night. It was super good to see him. And he, you know, it's his first time here on the property. Came out with our buddy Alex. Big love to him and them. And they dropped off some nice hash, some pie face.

1:04:48BubblemanI've got some of that pie face.

1:04:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, nice.

1:04:52BubblemanYeah, he left. He came here and we squished some Pie Face, some Renee, some OG, what was it? It was like, it was Trop Santo crossed with cookies.

1:05:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh yeah, I think that's what this, I think that's what this one is, Dave. You'll remind me.

1:05:08ColinI'm just sharing it with you because I'm just having it right now and it's been like six years old. Wow. I can't believe the flavor is still there. Like totally. That's so flavorful.

1:05:18BubblemanWell, it was, it was literally made with Terps.

1:05:22ColinDid you save it in the freezer, Johnny? It's been in the fridge the whole time inside my little box here, specialness. I got D420K's first little dry safety game. I got your first dry stuff, Mark, on a card here when you did your first sift for me. I got everybody's little bed of box in there. I like all those memories is all in this little box of trippy stick, trippy stick box I even got from you, dude.

1:05:46ColinIf I open it up, I got all the little treasures that we've done over the last little bit, but the first static sifts from right here to some of the first lemmy to some of the first dabs that we made to all the little histories of the stuff that we've done over the years. It's pretty cool.

1:06:01BubblemanYou can see like when we when we laughed so hard after that dab that it took me 45 minutes to make.

1:06:07ColinOh, that was that was hilarious, man. Like, yeah, and laughed our heads off and stuff like that. But I mean, it's, yeah, I can't believe the Terps in there and stuff like that. Like, so amazing. You know, the banger's pretty, you know, Chaz, though, that was one thing, right?

1:06:23BubblemanChaz, is that your banger?

1:06:25SpeakerYeah, is it the time? I was going to say, is it the time for the... Oh, no, I... Oh, it's the time.

1:06:30BubblemanAre we doing slow starts? Cold starts?

1:06:35Collin PalmerA little cold? I did a cold start myself.

1:06:38SpeakerI'll do a little cold start to you here.

1:06:41Collin PalmerA little quicker. I don't do the cold start. Actually, yeah. I got some salt in this THQ.

1:06:48ColinWe had some good times sitting there on CCHQ doing dabs with Horatio and stuff. He pulled all the dabs. I got some great pictures of all of us together. There's one really good one that's one of my favorites. It's me, Horatio, and D420K, and I think Flowers in the background. You were on stage, Mark. And there's a big piece like this going out there. And it's kind of like a shout out.

1:07:10ColinAnd Horatio's kind of bent down, kind of looking over. It's one of my favorite pictures. It's kind of like... We're just saying, hey, dude, you know, it was it was pretty cool times. Definitely.

1:07:22ColinGood memories.

1:07:22SpeakerI don't like cold starting melt, just cold starting melt and it got too hot. Just.

1:07:29Collin PalmerThe tough one, it takes a while to get it just right.

1:07:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat are you smoking, Alex and Flynn? What are you smoking?

1:07:37SpeakerNow, I just did some 24K to start the day.

1:07:43SpeakerThat orangey vibe. It's a beautiful strain that actually Todd from Resin Ranch brought up. And he has this great cut that has beautiful melt. And for me, it's like a morning orange juice, seriously. Super creative.

1:07:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe got a 24K taffy from Joey. And I'm pretty sure he must have made it with Todd during those times when they were at the Mendo hideout.

1:08:09SpeakerMaybe it's this one.

1:08:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh, it probably is. It probably is. Yeah, we got some, we're still working on those varietals in that line right now. It's pretty sweet. Do you know what the taffy was by any recollection? Yeah. Okay.

1:08:23SpeakerAnd this one, it was a test.

1:08:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's what I thought too.

1:08:28SpeakerThat's from Brandon and Amanda. It's their papaya punch, their papaya punch cut. We watched it for the first time. They gifted us the cut, and then we watched it for the first time. We were doing also actually the mail test here. Just check out where is it going to be.

1:08:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThanks. We got the strawberry guava cut from them and the purple punch cut from them.

1:08:50SpeakerThe guava is insane, dude. It makes the best hash I've ever seen. It's crazy.

1:08:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm getting ready to make up the first bits of it from our light depth that we did this year. And it came out just so good because British Columbia had a good year.

1:09:08ColinI've been wanting to get that strain since Mark put those terpenes underneath my gnomes when they came out of surgery and it took my pain away. I really want to grow it. So I've been asking for it for like five years or so. And if I could get a cut of that or even try it, like just actually have some of it to see how it affects me again, it'd be fantastic.

1:09:25ColinAll right.

1:09:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, hey, Johnny, we're going to get our trims done here and we're going to take a big trip out to the coast. And we're going to come visit you and Marcus and some of the parents spent some time. So we'll, we'll bring you what we have. And we just gave Flav some of our ruffle plant to try and to clone and whatnot.

1:09:54BubblemanJohn had literally just gotten out of back surgery, like neck spinal surgery. When, when Dee and I went to put that purple punch under his nose, I brought 30 different terpenes that day in a, in a, And then John is all like, hey, guys, oh, what's up, guys? Like, just like super animated, like,

1:10:30BubblemanMan, what a trip. And of course it's all filmed on YouTube. It's there's a video of us, that whole thing, even what you can see him smell it and be like, oh my God, that like took my pain away just for a second. I pull it away from you. I'm like, give that back to me. Yeah, you did.

1:10:48ColinI've watched it so much. You guys are like in the park. What's that?

1:10:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's got a very deep, like rich flavor to it. And it's kind of like, I feel like a little anise-y or some kind of like a deep licorice-ish flavor, if I'm right on that. I don't know. It's very nice. And then they made the guava punch, Brandon and Amanda, the guava punch seeds. And those turned out phenomenal. And I could probably bring you a few of those seeds if you're interested, Johnny.

1:11:23ColinI'm always interested in growing and learning about terms of finding different strains that work for me and stuff like that. And that was the biggest thing. And when you find something that works like cannabis, that's why I preach it so much to everybody because shit works. It's like it's a no brainer, guys. It's like if you're in pain or you're suffering in any way or you just want to relax or just like just just have a good time, smoke a joint.

1:11:45ColinBut that one, that one smell, it was literally, I would pull it away and go like, and that's when I started looking at, you know, save the terps, looking at terpenes, that modulating and how it helps me. That's why the big thing with Horatio was the terpenes. You saw how it helped me so much because Horatio spent a lot of time coming over to the house and putting transdermal creams on my neck when I first came out of surgery.

1:12:05ColinSo if you guys don't know, they took out my C4 and C5 vertebrae and that's what I really started looking at how terpenes were helping with my pain because of what Mark brought in and what Horatio was doing and just everything that was happening at that point of my life really All of that pushed me to know that terpenes was a way of being able to standardize my medicine by controlling water activity, saving those terps.

1:12:28ColinSo now I've always been trying to standardize my medicine by decarboxylating. Horatio was doing a lot of creams and stuff like that that help with healing effects, which I wish we had that one recipe. But I mean, yeah, now I'm just talking about how great cannabis is and how the terpenes help so much. But that purple punch was something else, man. It was definitely, you know, we talked about that.

1:12:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe Hindu Kush has a really nice flavor profile that you might like too, which is a really good one. We got the Graceland cut from Southern Oregon and grew it out this year. And it's just like,

1:13:07ColinWell, the old Kush's worked very well for me. So remember the Medi Kush is more of like a pre-96, pre-94, like a Kush. The Baba Kush's, the Hindu Kush's, PK wasn't that much, but those heavier Indica's is what works well for those terpenes and those flavors, the high THC, more higher CBD, lower CBN. That was a lot of, yeah, a lot of research.

1:13:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've got some in... Beautiful glazed cherry crosses that we did this year. And the glazed cherry is like so dark and deep red on the stalk and the leaf. And I really love the flavor.

1:13:48SpeakerWe got some of that. It was glazed cherry. I don't know if it was glazed cherry or a cross of it from Brandon and Amanda, the rosin. And dude, it was some of the most... interesting terpene profile i've had from a hash in a while that was like it wasn't really like anything else that i could say it was so interesting and unique i loved it a lot it was was it a white lotus glazed cherry does that make any does that remind you no okay there's a glazed cherry dog i don't know why okay wrong but

1:14:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat makes sense. That could have been the dog from Jesse and the glazed cherry from Green Source is my guess.

1:14:28SpeakerOkay, yeah, that's that it was from Bio Vortex, actually. So that makes sense.

1:14:33Collin PalmerYeah, it's nice to see the lot of the Ecuadorial lineage kind of coming back into into everyone's palate again. You know, the Indica stuff was really dominating for a long time. And I've been really partial to the flavors and to the You know, I'd love gas, but I want more than just gas. I'd love to see, you know, the expansion on it. It's kind of nice to see.

1:14:58Collin PalmerIt's really exciting. You know, there's a lot of really nice stuff coming out. I'm growing a lot of really, really fun stuff that's just super terpy, you know. Johnny. Pardon me?

1:15:16Collin PalmerI was going to say, Johnny, you might like the Straw Nana to get the 14 percenter cut or something like that. That might be a really nice one for you to run if you like those types of terpenes.

1:15:27ColinI just actually tried something that no one's tried yet. It's the 24-week black Fleming cross with the Girl Scout cookies. And that was that first one you saw me like for the first time when I first lit the house church and I was sitting there smoking it. And that was kind of something really nice. So I'm playing with all kinds of different flavors, but I like the old school.

1:15:44ColinSo I'm kind of digging into some old vaults of some 88, 89, 91, some of the genetics from just... I guess, you know, that's what I grew up with. It's what helped me. It's what I like, those flavors and all these newer flavors I've been hitting. And I was talking with Darren about it and stuff like that. It seems like the gas isn't there anymore. It seems like that old gas is just missing from the strains with all these new genetics and stuff like that.

1:16:08ColinSo it's the gas that kind of works. I like that. I like that dank. I like that gas. I like that flavor.

1:16:15Dr Mark ScialdoneTerpenoline. I think that's terpenoline.

1:16:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. We grew the Jack. We grew the old Jack clone again this year, Jack Herrera.

1:16:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, Jack is high in terpenylene. Jack.

1:16:30ColinDarren's got that OG Kush from like 91 and everybody wants it because it's high in that. Yeah, I'm kind of looking at why are we losing it, Mark? What are they doing?

1:16:41Collin PalmerYou just want this. You need the sour cut then.

1:16:44BubblemanI don't know what any of you guys are talking about. I love everything. I love it all. I just love all the different flavors and differences. And I'm like, I never seem to be complaining. I always have like five or six different things that are bomber in front of me that are just all different. I always have the straw nana. Definitely like always have some straw nana.

1:17:05Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's like picking the lead violin out of the orchestra and saying, yeah, I like the violin.

1:17:14SpeakerI see you guys are mostly vaping on pipes with a torch.

1:17:26Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat do you have there?

1:17:27Etienne FontanWhat do you have there, Sam? Put that back up there. That's a Swiss perk with an email.

1:17:34BubblemanIt's a Swiss perk for sure with an email, exactly.

1:17:39SpeakerWhat's unusual is I haven't turned it off in three years.

1:17:48SpeakerIt's been three years, except for I took it to Jamaica for a couple of weeks.

1:17:54Dr Mark ScialdoneEver since Trump got elected. As soon as Trump got elected, he turned it on, right?

1:18:02ColinThat was three years ago, right? I left my V-nail on for about two years and then one day I was in the shower and I came out and the whole bottom of the bowl fell off and it burnt a hole in my counter and I unplugged it. I had to put it away. Hasn't been plugged in for years now. I almost burnt down my house. Don't do that.

1:18:21SpeakerMaybe it's because I have a gabonator. They're built in Germany with discipline.

1:18:30Etienne FontanYeah, they don't, they don't, they're not good on humor, but they're great on engineering.

1:18:34SpeakerNot only that, but they work with both European and American electricity.

1:18:42BubblemanThat's what I liked about the Davinator, to be honest. I always would like take my D-nails to Amsterdam and then I would forget that like 40 pound inverter, converter thing that they would give me at the Krasnopolsky Hotel. It was, I carried that thing around Amsterdam with me. That's how ridiculous this is. And when I finally met the Dabinator dude, he was just like, here, take one of these, check it out.

1:19:06BubblemanAnd I traveled all around with that thing. And all I had to do was plug a different plug into the back of the unit. And I didn't have to carry any giant thing. And I was like, okay, that is pretty awesome.

1:19:17SpeakerAlso works with 12 volts.

1:19:20Etienne FontanWell, now companies make them in EU. Earlier ones was a challenge, but I know like, yeah, D-Nail, Mini-Nail, they all make EU units now, so. You know what would happen?

1:19:31BubblemanDid you have it happen to you, Etienne? Like what happens when you take that to a different country and plug it in with a different plug with no inverter?

1:19:40Etienne FontanI had no issues.

1:19:42BubblemanWell, generally what would happen to the denails when I first got them, and I don't know what years this was, 2000 something, it would pooch the whip. The electricity would go through and just instantly pooch the whip. And I have a video where I'm in my little apartment in the Krasnopolsky, and I've got the camera set up, and I'm kind of moving around, I'm setting everything up, and I realize it happens.

1:20:04BubblemanI go over, I'm like, oh no! Shit, shit, shit. And it was so fucking hilarious. I kept it in the video. I was like, oh, I got to let people see my reaction to this because it's so honestly like bummed and pissed. And then I find, I remember I brought, I remember this had happened to me already at least one time. So I had brought an extra whip.

1:20:29ColinIf you were, you'll be in the video.

1:20:30BubblemanI think it was Tony for some reason, but you might've been in the video too. It's on YouTube.

1:20:36ColinIt's one of my Amsterdam videos. I think I might have plugged into the wall and blew it and then we didn't have the DNA on the beginning. Remember that one? Was that Spain? Well, that might have been.

1:20:46BubblemanNo, that might have been Amsterdam the year before, which is why I brought the second whip. I'd have to go back and watch the video, but it doesn't sound like the one you did.

1:20:54SpeakerI was there later that day after you had done it.

1:20:58BubblemanIn Amsterdam, yeah.

1:21:00SpeakerCorrect, because of my mouth.

1:21:02BubblemanYeah, yeah, the Krasnopolsky.

1:21:06Etienne FontanYeah, you have a different one. Mine worked fine, no problem in Barcelona. So yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, but I will know in the future to take an extra whiff just in case. Dude, I'm telling you, that was like a super bummer.

1:21:23BubblemanHey, I wanted to give a shout out to my colleague, work colleague and friend, Shahed, who has just recently left Embark. She's going back home to Ontario, but she... painted this photo of a trichome of mine. I took this photo at my friend's house in Port Alberni a long time ago. I don't know if it was over 10 years ago. The cultivars, Burmese fucking incredible is the cultivar.

1:21:51BubblemanBut she painted this little trichome photo for me up above my shoulder here. And I just wanted to give her a shout out and a thank you because...

1:21:59SpeakerHe should have painted the one with your face in reflecting in the trichome, Ed.

1:22:05BubblemanThose were the clear domes. I do have a video where I put headband hash on a sapphire insert by D-Nail and I put it on and it's The most incredible thing. It starts bubbling like crazy. And in every single bubble, you can see my reflection of me hitting the pipe. It was definitely like some crazy hash inception type shit. But if you guys want to see that, I'll, I think I could find it because it's pretty, it's pretty ridiculous.

1:22:35SpeakerI want to see that.

1:22:37Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I want to see that too. For the moment, you are actually bubble man. Yeah. Exactly.

1:22:47BubblemanThat's where it began. I think so, right? That's fucking mental. I hope I didn't delete it. I kind of feel like, oh, no, there it is. There's the man in the bubble.

1:22:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHey, Mark, I like your Garcia hat.

1:23:00Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, thank you very much.

1:23:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's, we're working on, you know, getting the Jerry Garcia line. Oh, go ahead, Marcus.

1:23:14BubblemanOh, I don't have to say anything. I'm just showing you that this is the video of me in the clear domes. Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.

1:23:22Collin PalmerWait, I just saw you right there on the big one on the right. Dude, I'm in every one if you look closely. That's crazy. Oh, that's funny.

1:23:34Dr Mark ScialdoneEvery bubble, dude. He's actually bubble men. Exactly.

1:23:42Collin PalmerWow. Yeah, I saw it again.

1:23:51SpeakerOn your YouTube channel. Well, you should change it like for this bubble.

1:23:56BubblemanIt's pretty funny, huh?

1:23:57SpeakerAwesome, awesome.

1:23:59Etienne FontanIt's like a self family reunion.

1:24:01BubblemanIt's like all yourselves over how many different... Dude, I wish I had a video of me making this video and then watching it while editing it and realizing what had happened. I wish I had a video of that because I was also very Johnny B-esque. I was like a child in a candy store. It's like you're getting high in all these different dimensions. Oh my God, dude.

1:24:26BubblemanAs a macro photographer, videographer, like I had never captured anything like that before. I'd have been working with refractions. This is the first refraction photo I ever took. And if you look closely in the trichome, there's a reflection of a cannabis leaf in the two main trichomes in the, in the tall trichome. So. That was my first version of it that I ever got. And I never really went too much further in it.

1:24:48BubblemanAnd then I got that video. And so really this photo and that video are really the only two refractions that I have where I'm like in, in, you know, something's reflected in it. It's pretty cool.

1:25:01SpeakerMarcus, I'm going to ask you something. Do you have videos of teaching how to take macrophotographies? You inspire me a lot and I just got a macro.

1:25:11BubblemanOh, nice. Well, you know what? We'll do another show, but there is one where I invited some really great macro photographers. I can't remember, maybe Eric Nugshots was on there and Shale, I think, showed up and I had invited like all the guys. Yeah, yeah, I basically had invited all the people I thought of as sort of had that had taken that macro cannabis photography to the next level, I sort of stopped at a level, these guys just took it to the next level, doing a bunch of things that I wanted to do, but never really got to, you know, And I'm so inspired enough to make it happen.

1:25:46BubblemanAnd like, for instance, Shale creating his own measurement scale with the trichome heads and now like, you know, 118 microns like that I wanted to do for like 10 years. So I was I hit him up the other day. I was like, dude, where'd you get that template? He's like, I made it. I just made the template. I was like, damn, right on, bro. That's what's up.

1:26:04BubblemanThat's because that shit's not. Aaron Weissman, Ed.D.I.T.I.T.I.C.T.I.T.I.C.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.

1:26:24BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:26:47SpeakerAnd you talked about it a lot, like actually photographing the melt, you know, like the trichome heads like separated. And that's what I want to do it for and photograph all the single source we make so we can like understand more, not to make not only to make photography, you know, but also to study the plants. Like, yeah.

1:27:07Etienne FontanMm hmm. Marcus, check out Doobie Duck. He's an amazing macro photographer. I've known Doobie for years. Dude, his stuff is a whole other level. Yeah, no, he's excellent.

1:27:21SpeakerDid you ever do stacked shots so that you increase the depth of field?

1:27:28BubblemanWell, that's what these guys do now. The majority of them are stacking shots. I never stacked shots. I did stack photography. I remember the first time a guy showed me, he's like, this is how you do stack photography. And he had a rail system and this intense thing. And it was like moving the camera a tiny little bit each time he took a shot. And I was like, you know, I think I've got a better idea.

1:27:48BubblemanAnd I put my subject, the first stacked image I ever did, it was 35 shots. I put the subject on my bubble box with a felt bottom on a wooden table. And I took shots and then I pushed the box over to the right, like just a millimeter each time and took the shots. His chin was on the floor. He couldn't believe it. He'd always been moving his camera.

1:28:11BubblemanHe never thought to move the subject. And so I just did that, took 35 shots, snapped them together. It was similar to this shot, this hash shot, but it was it was a little bit different. It looked great, but it felt like to me, I think I'm just an old school photographer. It felt kind of like cheating. It took away that challenge.

1:28:31SpeakerIt is cheating. Yeah, it took away.

1:28:34BubblemanIt took away the challenge of well and reducing the depth of field. I'll tell you something from my photography and I started taking my shots like this one handheld. I don't put my camera on a tripod. I want to learn how to actually take that photo and manipulate that small depth of field that I have. And I always suggest to people who want to learn macro photography, learn to do this first and then learn stacking.

1:29:00BubblemanBecause if you learn stacking first, when I talk to these stack guys, they can't believe that I'm taking my shots handheld and getting the shots that I'm getting.

1:29:09Collin PalmerYeah, I'd like to do it automatic. Yeah, some do. Some do stack in the macro.

1:29:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI have a Lumix GH5 and it does amazing stacking, just totally automatic on the 6K function.

1:29:23Collin PalmerNice. I was going to say, you know, Marcus, I think you were the first person I ever met. You know, I think we connected as artists and creatives really. And then cannabis was kind of second for us. He really made sense to me to look at the plant from a closer point of view and using your lenses and the tools that you're using as creatives to make other projects and other things.

1:29:46Collin PalmerTo learn about the resin and really look towards the plant as not only a subject matter, but a vehicle to learn about the chemicals and the different things that you could, such as extraction and whatnot. But I think that's really the first, you know, some of the first photography, Marcus, was from, of trichome heads is really that I saw other than scientific photography was really from you.

1:30:15Collin PalmerAnd the work that you had kind of put out so helpful and so graciously, because not everybody was sharing that kind of point of view at that point in time, that late 90s, early 2000s kind of black space, as we will.

1:30:30BubblemanYeah, you know, I got I got to shout out perhaps your giddy aunt who took the first clear dome shot on a screen that was like epic on an overgrow days. I met him in London and he brought me a framed framed photo of it and some beautiful bubble hash that he brought me each day of the of the conference we did in Wembley Stadium. I puffed Wembley Stadium down hard.

1:30:52BubblemanAnd also shout out to Monkey from really shout out to Monkey, because from my perspective, I wanted to learn macro photography. I asked Jason King, who was a friend of mine at the time. I was like, hey, dude, like you've taken a couple of macro shots. Like, would you mind showing me how to take some macro photographs? He said, oh, yeah, yeah, no problem. Just as soon as you show me how to design and manufacture bubble bags in Nepal and sell them around the world on the Internet.

1:31:16BubblemanAnd I was kind of like, I was kind of like, oh shit, like, did I, was that a bad move on my part? And I kind of, in the end, just took it to the fact that he was maybe being a bit of a dick and being insecure. But when Monkey, when he was taking bug shots on overgrowth, shots of his insects, his praying mantises that he would order from the mail order and All of these guys are going to crack these eggs and grow these incredible praying mantises out that he would take photographs of that were just shockingly beautiful.

1:31:46BubblemanAnd he had the MPE lens and I hit him up one day and I was like, hey, I want to get into macro photography. He's like, okay, buy the 65 millimeter MPE lens with the 24 EX MT dual flash from Canon. Set your ISO on 100. He starts telling me all these settings as a base. And since he did that, I have always shared every, I don't even feel like it's my, I always feel like I'm sharing his information, that it's just like pass it all on.

1:32:15BubblemanEven though at this point, it's like 15 years of my own knowledge that I've learned from taking macro photography. I just don't see why it would be a bummer for me to show people, like there are people who will put time into this in a way that I don't have the time anymore. There are people who will put... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:32:51BubblemanThese lovebirds looking at each other about their beautiful resins. They're staring into each other's eyes. They're like loving the fact that they got all the flavors. They're like oozing and goozing. Good on you guys.

1:33:02Collin PalmerThe other thing, Marcus, is, you know, each photographer is going to bring a different point of view. Like I was inspired by people like Tobin Yellen and like even Bruce Weber shooting like weird black and white fashion photography. And, you know, the ideas that you can, you know, bring to The subject is really kind of really broad and just like cultivation and extraction, there's a lot of creativity that you can bring to it.

1:33:29BubblemanSo I also got a shout out, Youke Dumas. He was taking photos in the 80s in Holland with the electron scan microscope. When I went to the first cannabis cup, my first cannabis cup, not the first cannabis cup, was in 1995. And I saw his little postcards. He had them at all these different sort of smart shops. And I would buy these beautiful, perfect trichome shots. They would look so surreal.

1:33:53BubblemanAnd if many of you remember my first advertisement in cannabis culture for bubble bags, Was a photo that I purchased off of you. I remember I was so blown away that he was willing to sell it for 800 guilders. I was just like, like, it's my photo. He's like, it's your photo. Like you buy this photo. It's yours. You can put it on shirts. You can tattoo it on your face.

1:34:11BubblemanYou can like do whatever you want with it. So what I did is I took a full page ad out in cannabis culture. I had one of my customers at the time from Overgrow be like, hey, let me do the you know, let me let me create some cartoons on the trichome. I'm like, yeah, I want like I want some like heady people like climbing up the side of it.

1:34:28BubblemanAnd I want them to have pickaxes and be chipping away at the head and little chunks of bubble flying everywhere. And that was my first ad for bubble bags in Cannabis Culture magazine. And it was Youp Dumas' photo in 1995 that I first saw. I didn't take my first macro photograph till 2008 to give you an idea how far ahead of his time he was. So shout out to Youp.

1:34:54BubblemanThat's J-O-O-P Dumas, D-U-M-A-S, if you guys want to kind of look him up and see what he's into.

1:35:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAlso really stoked about Chris from Candid Kush. He's been taking some really awesome shots and staying with Caitlin and Ed from the Pot Snobcast. They're really doing a cool podcast and they have built a beautiful tasting room in Mendocino, Northern Mendocino, Caitlin and Ed, and been doing some really, really cool stuff. So anyone should check out Candid Kush and the work that he's doing and It's just amazing to see like a far away Nuggs shot where it's spinning and then it goes in and then in farther and farther all the way into like the heads, you know, from a far away shot.

1:35:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's like, shit, that's such a killer.

1:35:46BubblemanI think Eric might have been the first one to start doing that.

1:35:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI could be wrong, but I think he was in there for sure.

1:35:52BubblemanYeah, I remember seeing it too and being like, this is spectacular, like absolutely crushing. Yeah, no, I love these guys doing all this. All this great stuff with macro photographs. And Alice has inspired me to put a list together. If you guys have, you know, want to send me a private message with some names and I'll check out the photography and I'll get a nice like 10 to 12 person group.

1:36:13BubblemanThink about it. It's never been done. Those guys have never gathered in one spot. And who knows? Maybe life's changed. Maybe they're not going to want to share their information as readily as they once did. But maybe they do. And maybe it is a real special show, particularly in the sense that it turns into a lot of other people being inspired, like I don't get the idea of like if the whole thing is to pass the flame and like some little spark starts it over here and then that gets passed over to here and it finally makes it to you.

1:36:40BubblemanLike, do you really want to put that shit out before you pass it on to the next person or hoard it and, you know, burn your whole interior down? Like, I think you're just supposed to have it for a while and then share it. At least that's how it feels to me.

1:36:51SpeakerYeah, I don't believe in hoarding information. I believe in the message.

1:36:58Collin PalmerFree up the vibes. I'd teach everybody how to use a rail system, how to use focus, you know, push and pull, you know, I'd also teach them lighting and I'd love, I think it was really, really, I don't know, Marcus, I think that that would be a really cool show to, to go through, you know, what it means to shoot, you know, it's, Totally.

1:37:22BubblemanIt's a specialty as much as it is growing and growing with organic soils and hash making like it is a very specialized things. I kind of one thing about cannabis is that it has definitely got me over the years to have to learn an enormous amount just to learn about it and to and to be able to share it. I started now I'm a photographer. Now I'm a macro photographer.

1:37:45BubblemanNow I'm a videographer. Now I'm an editor. Now I'm like, it's just like one thing after the other that you have to learn. Now I'm doing like podcasts and live streaming and I got to learn that. Like, it's just one thing. These things are like, you don't learn them overnight. They take a good amount of investment in time. So I do agree with Michael Pollan when he wrote in the, I don't even know if he wrote this in the Botany of Desire, but he definitely spoke about it maybe in a podcast in regards to how successful cannabis, if you considered cannabis as a virus, like the same way like cordyceps can infect an insect, control that insect's brain, move it to the top of a tree so when the spores fruit, And blow out, they get a greater distance.

1:38:30BubblemanCannabis is truly the cordyceps plant to humans, to some of us anyway, because it gets in and then it literally is like, I should grow lots of cannabis. I should make lots of hash from the cannabis that I grow. I should do shows on YouTube telling people about the cannabis that I grow and the hash that I make and how great it is and that they should do it.

1:38:49BubblemanAnd I should do shows on photography on cannabis and hash and how great it is to photograph and It's really quite something how deep it's rooted in some of our brains. It's like church.

1:39:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's what makes it a true master plant. That's why it's a master plant. And that's why plant medicine is so important to us. Hey, I want to put one up in the air to my man. Martin out in Ireland, hemp in Ireland, amazing person out there. He just had, you know, some, put his aunt, you know, to rest. And I just want to give him special love.

1:39:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBig shout out to my man, Martin. He's taking dabs and taking hits with us. He's holding it down in the UK, building an amazing family, really into just glass and just making things happen. So lots of love to you, Martin. Big love. Take care of yourself. Put one in the air.

1:39:46Etienne FontanI'll shout out to Martin too. I met him in Barcelona. Great cat, very educated, really spreading the word, doing the right thing. I'm sorry to hear my deepest condolences, mon frere, and wish you nothing but the best and love.

1:40:01BubblemanI feel like I must know Martin as well. You do.

1:40:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, no, you do. You do. You do. He's mentioned meeting you before and He's, you know, our dragonfly ambassador out in Europe. And, you know, along with the Green Grass Connection, Edelgreen Swiss Farm, the Regenerative Hemp Farm out in Switzerland, Thomas and all those guys out there. Big love to those guys as well. Also Thailand. I know there's a bunch of family out in Thailand that watch us too.

1:40:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo big love to the Thai fam and everyone out there.

1:40:37BubblemanShout out to everyone. Shout out to D420K, who was in the chat for a little while. He might still be in the chat, giving respect to everyone on the panel. And yeah, absolutely.

1:40:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'll put a little dab in the banger. Kevin, thanks for this lime pop. This lime pop coming from Dave. I got that too. Nice, got the lime pop from Dave. 87. Yeah, 87. Woo!

1:41:05Collin PalmerBig shout out to Gene. Big shout out to Gene from Mean Gene.

1:41:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBig shout out to Gene. Big shout out to Nick out in Michigan. Nick Risdon and the Lime Rising. Amazing people. They were growing one of their best crops ever this year. Had an 18, almost 20 foot tall plant and saddest thing in the world. They went to go have their dog's leg amputated and they came back and their whole crop was fucking ripped off. A good, a good portion of all his weed was was jacked in his yard.

1:41:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's it's they're the heart. I mean, I'm not going to say the hardest working people out there because everyone's working so hard, but it's just We have a huge heart and soul in that family. Big love to the dad, you know, everyone who was there. So, you know, anyone who wants to help any of the people in the fires, anyone that wants to help Nick Rizdan and Lime Rising, reach out to us later.

1:42:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineReach out to us on our Instagram and we can pass The links, maybe we, Marcus, will send you as many links as we know, like Brett from Dos Peros and maybe Sheldon and different people that we know that have lost their farm. We could put those links in this YouTube video for people to check out, like GoFundMe's and things that people are using to build their life again, because people have lost everything and whatnot.

1:42:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo anyway, a lot of people want to help. This is a year where we've helped You know more people than ever um you know as a community uh it just seems like you know you know not every so often it comes up and all of a sudden you know we got to put it out there so let's not feel like we've helped people too much you know we might all as a group have to continue helping people so um you know just put let's all put ourselves out there and reach out to people in need you know there's there's a good good group of people in need right now so Well said.

1:43:14BubblemanDude, fucking rippers. Like, wow. What an absolute piece of shit, low-level thing to do to steal someone's hard work like that and their livelihood. Medicine.

1:43:27Collin PalmerYeah.

1:43:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd in the case of Nick Riston, he makes RSO or cannabis oil for himself to fight Lyme's disease and he's truly keeping himself alive. He would be a good person to have on this show sometime, you know, because he's just so knowledgeable about strains and medicine and what it takes to survive. I'm, you know, he just recently had a, you know, crazy Skin eating bacteria and things, but he's making it through a lot of stuff, so big love to him.

1:43:58Collin PalmerYeah, limes is a really serious, I've had limes twice, and it doesn't go away, but when you get bit twice, it's pretty serious the second time around, it's really intense. So, I feel for him.

1:44:14SpeakerHe's a true warrior indeed also, and you too probably for having that. And there's one thing I just took a dab to, and since you guys are saying some stuff, I just want to shine a light on a subject too, because I think we talked a lot about the fires in California and in the West Coast and all over United States and Canada today. But there are big, huge fires happening in Brazil right now too.

1:44:39SpeakerA bit different than here because it's not natural fires. They're all criminal fires and in the highest biodiversity places in Brazil. So I just wanted to send some love, take this death. A bunch of animals have died. A bunch of animals have burned. Actually, what was burned right now in the last month was over what was burned in the last 20 years total. So it was very crazy what happened.

1:45:07SpeakerSo I just wanted to shine some love over there for everyone that is here and everyone that is watching it too. If anyone's taking a dab, smoking a joint, just send some love. And to all the spirits of the fires and the winds, have mercy on all of us. Just like help us out. So I just want to shine a light on that, too. And just to cadet, I wanted to offer this that.

1:45:32BubblemanVery well said. That's that's heavy. When you think of David Attenborough's quote about 94 percent of all mammalian life on Earth as humans and the livestock that they cultivate and the other four percent are all the zebras and lions and wild animals that live out in the forest. Four percent. Like think of how insane that is. And when you have fires of this size and that many animals are dying, that could literally be like half a percent of like the 4%, like 20% of all animal life on earth.

1:46:07BubblemanI don't think people really understand the impact that something like that can have. We've already messed things up to the point where cows are taking up like all of the space that, Thank you for joining us.

1:46:25SpeakerIn Brazil, that's what's going on, Marcus. That's exactly it. They burn all the land so they can either plant soy to feed cows or just to have cows over there. It's a totally criminal action. It's a direct result from a lack of state that we have and from everyone political being careful with our environment. And it's just very, very, very sad. It's not even all mother nature, you know, it's like a land that it's not usually burned.

1:46:56SpeakerSo when it burns, it burns. It's not like it rebukes because it's like.

1:47:02BubblemanAnd think of what's fueling that. What's fueling that is human beings desires to consume flesh. How about that for a thought? That's an insatiable appetite. There's just, you never want to stop eating it. It's like you can't make enough burgers. You can't feed enough of the world's grain supply and enough of the clean water. Just give it to the cows. Give them the rainforest. Kill everything else.

1:47:27BubblemanCut everything else down. I need my burgers.

1:47:31SpeakerFuck. Yeah, it is. So let's all shine some love.

1:47:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I have a picture of I have a picture of these rotting birch logs behind me because we're putting these in the earth and growing weed on top of them out of friends, out of some family and here in the Kootenays building a new farm and creating, you know, hugelkultur and putting the logs in the earth so they can last. Because all these fires just burn up everything and it goes into the atmosphere.

1:48:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's gone forever. It doesn't become microbes. It doesn't become long life forever. And, you know, I just, again, want to encourage people to put wood in the earth and sequester the carbon for as long as possible in the earth. And, you know, it's crazy what's happening with fires. In the case of Southern Oregon and Medford, it's amazing I really feel for the Rogue Valley. I mean, the fire ripped through our urban area.

1:48:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLike you were talking Wade, White Paradise. I mean, we're talking from Ashland all the way through to Medford, 10 miles of all towns, Phoenix and Talent. I mean, massive. I think that's right. Some thousands of homes were taken out down there and into Kilma and Southern Oregon. They really mobilized as a community and really did a great job of protecting their community from the fire from Happy Camp that was coming over.

1:49:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo incredible mobilizations have happened from people. So, you know, It's pretty powerful. And I know Wendy from Sun Abyss obviously couldn't make it today. Oh, I thought she's maybe she is going to come on. She was going to talk about ash mitigation on the flower. And I guess we're going to try and send her a link to get her on right now. So, you know, there's people that had the fire.

1:49:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, you know, and these are people with, you know, a good amount of weed out there. So, um, there's anyone who has any information on ash mitigation, Colin, have you ever had to deal with that? Or do you know anyone since you're on right now?

1:49:58Collin PalmerYeah, so I have some friends that are out there. Everyone's using blowers. You don't want to wet your plants down ever. You really want to refrain from doing that. You just want to go out there and try to keep it dry. If you can put some hoops up, try to put some hoops up, but don't put anything that's flammable because that could cause other problems. You know, it's...

1:50:24Collin PalmerYou just got to be diligent and be on it and be patient and really, you know, keep air flows as much as you can. I've heard two friends are putting fans out there with Jenny's to try to get air flow through the rows to try to just help mitigate things and, you know, just doing your best. But in terms of just ash mitigation, it's just blowers and fans.

1:50:51SpeakerAnd if you're in a greenhouse too, you can, if you have the ability to run power to it, you use maybe a carbon filter and a fan so that the air you're pushing in is clean and you have positive pressure in the greenhouse, so you're not drawing ash into the greenhouse. Yeah. But for full terms, you know, that's just tough. Yeah.

1:51:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's one of the reasons why we grow in greenhouses here in this area is not only from rain and all that, but you know, if you're concerned about chem trails or things, you know, even metals from the sky, you know, you can, I also totally agree with growing outdoors under the sun, you know, but there's a lot of reasons more and more to have a cover. I think it's even possible with outdoors is to even to put a shade cloth.

1:51:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI know you don't want to shade your plants when it's already smoky, but Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:52:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThose heavy, so they had that week of million acres burn type thing and then got, you know, a heavy rainstorm on it. You know, maybe in the case of rain, Aaron Ward- Potentially that could actually wash it through rather than just turn it to mud and I haven't had too many conversations with people that have reported anything negative from that rainstorm. Aaron Ward- But you know, maybe if you're trying to wash it with like a sprayer hose it's a lot different, but I guess with nature with the rains, I think, in this case, it may have actually done okay but.

1:52:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAaron Ward- that's really good to hear. Aaron Ward- yeah.

1:52:55Collin PalmerYeah, because the carbon, I don't know, I think Dr. Mark could probably talk about, Mark, you could probably chime in on what ash might or might not do a bit more chemically than anyone here. Kelly's going to come on in a second.

1:53:12Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's going to flavor the plants, right? It's just going to give it like a smoky flavor. And I think, I remember when we had fires a couple of years ago, we had Some people on Hash Church who are discussing a smoky flavor in some of the extracts and the water hash. Who was that, Marcus? So I'm trying to remember. This may have been like about two or three years ago on Hash Church and there were fires and we were talking about this very issue and whether or not it comes through in extracts.

1:53:50Dr Mark ScialdoneAgain, you could probably clean it out of the distillate. That's probably not.

1:53:54BubblemanI think that's the only way, honestly. I've never seen it come out any other way. It's totally bruised.

1:54:00Dr Mark ScialdoneMarcus, do you remember who we had on that we were talking to this about?

1:54:05BubblemanDo you remember this episode? Not off the top of my head. There's been so many people that have been on over the years. Like we probably are over a hundred different people.

1:54:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I seem to remember that what we were talking about again is that, you know, again, a lot of folks who John Seigenthaler, Grow, not necessarily for oil markets or for extraction or growth or flower markets. We're saying, hey, we can't sell our flower. Can we extract it? John Seigenthaler, And there was a whole surge of again people wanting to actually get into extraction, just because they had to, you know, do something to recoup the material that they lost because of the fire.

1:54:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd there was a bunch of smoky material on the open market back then. I probably take it that there will be again this time. And it'll be interesting to see if some of these folks who track it, who track like wholesale index prices, like cannabis benchmarks, for one, I'm sure ATN, you know about cannabis benchmarks, right? So what they do is that's a website that...

1:55:17Dr Mark ScialdoneBasically, based on large transactions with large licensed dispensaries, they're able to track the wholesale price of cannabis flower. And what you see is in these kinds of cases, again, supply-demand economics work where, again, if there's a constant supply and all of a sudden the supply tightens up or it doesn't smell as good and then people are now extracting, you're going to see fluctuations. typically what they do is they follow uh things like outdoor differentiate outdoor from light depth and uh you know um indoor and look at the various wholesale prices and typically those numbers right 18 are always around like anywhere between 1200 to 1300 a pound to as much as 1500 a pound and they they move yes

1:56:12Dr Mark ScialdoneA little bit, right? But, right?

1:56:14Etienne FontanIt fluctuates. It's going to go up slightly this year, you know, because of fires and also local regionalizations and market stabilizing. But also just because of, yeah, here in California, we're still overtaxed. How's it going there in PA?

1:56:33Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's Still, I mean, you know, our governor wants to do legalization and legalizations on the ballot in New Jersey. And it seems like there's going to be just this domino effect between New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, and that legalization is just right around the corner. And, um, You know, the product in the dispensary, ATN, to tell you the truth, is pretty good and comparable in terms of pricing of like what you'd almost get on the black market.

1:57:04Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, certainly black market is still alive and plentiful all throughout the East Coast. Black market in New York is still, you know, it's even when legalization happens, I don't think it's going to go away. Anytime soon.

1:57:19Etienne FontanHey, can we use the term illicit market? You know, we're trying to change that. As opposed to using the term black market.

1:57:26Collin PalmerWhat about traditional market? Yes, traditional market is what I use.

1:57:33SpeakerUnregulated, free market, anything.

1:57:37Collin PalmerI like traditional market.

1:57:39Dr Mark ScialdoneY'all know what I mean. But I think an interesting trend, and ATN, you could probably speak to this, is In California, you know, my son's out in LA now and he goes to dispensaries now and he's in the industry extracting. So he's seeing a little bit of this dynamic in the marketplace, which is the popularity of beverages. He says that people are going to go into dispensaries and buying beverages by the cases, you know, like these

1:58:09Dr Mark ScialdoneI think there's all kinds of new products that are out there in the market, but I guess that being a new category, and again, not something necessarily you can make at home, right? Unless you're making your own soda or taking an extract. And I don't know, it would be interesting to see if you can take like an extract that you could buy at a dispensary and use like one of those home soda makers and try to make a carbonated beverage with your own cannabinoid, you know, I don't know if that would work, but I mean, that.

1:58:42Etienne FontanWhy wouldn't it? I mean, everything we made is created by, you know, was created by patients for patients originally. So but yes, there is an uptake. More of there's an uptake in edibles period in the COVID era. You know, people were, you know, we had the evil eye problem with the cartridges. So cartridges have dips. They're starting to come back. But, you know, flowers and definitely edibles and concentrates too.

1:59:10Etienne FontanPeople have a lot of time to sit around apparently. So we've seen an uptick definitely in the quality as well of the All of these are products that we've had access to and natural extractions as well as the extractive products are definitely getting better. The quality of the flower is still not to where I want it to be for the price point. I still think it's about two price points higher than it should be compared to when I was actually dealing internally of selection, et cetera.

1:59:40Etienne FontanI thought the market corrected itself better in Nevada and California. It's still too production-y for my expectation. There are some quality craft growers, but this is the problem with the fires. The craft growers are the ones that are being hit very hard, whereas opposed to most of the indoor production is going on without any type of problem. But the exotic outdoors, mm. Fuck, man, it pisses me off.

2:00:10Etienne FontanIt's challenging and painful to see the loss because one of my main suppliers, like I said, Foxworthy Farm, Martin and them lost access or had problems prior. They were able to save some and get some out as the fires were encroaching, but I have to see how it's harvested and dried to see exactly the quality of what it'll be. So a lot of people are dealing with this reality right now.

2:00:35Etienne FontanAnd it's frustrating and it's sad to see. On top of that, fire season ain't over. We're still in the midst of it here. So blessings to everybody and to all of you. Stay safe, stay sound, stay wet as much as possible. Keep it damp out there.

2:00:53SpeakerYou were talking about markets. I just wanted to say black markets matter.

2:01:03Dr Mark ScialdoneBlack lives matter.

2:01:04Etienne FontanOh, that is so not correct.

2:01:06SpeakerCould be too soon.

2:01:10Dr Mark ScialdoneCould be too soon. The one thing that's for sure is that there's a lot more processing capability today than just simply like two or three years ago. So that process capability, see the dog agrees with me. That processing capability means that there's now people who are doing toll processing in the cannabis. So you can grow cannabis legally. You can bring it to a whole processor and they can make oil for you.

2:01:42Dr Mark ScialdoneSo that's kind of cool. The other thing is that, you know, in hemp, you know, we were talking a little bit about this before, you know, I mean that, Bill that's in Congress right now, which is the 8178, I think, which is the thing that's going to basically regulate CBD as a dietary supplement. This just totally needs to happen because right now the painful thing that Epidiolex has done is it put CBD on a list of being an active ingredient of an FDA approved drug.

2:02:17Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd you can't put active ingredients in food or cosmetics or dog food. So what's going to enable that is this thing that I pulled up the thing just on my computer for a second. That was the act that's currently in, I think it's called 8178. It's either Blumauer or the other guy from Oregon who's basically put this thing forward. Supposedly, even Mitch McConnell wants this to happen.

2:02:47Dr Mark ScialdoneSo again, that's sort of like the gate Unfortunately, in our government of whether or not things are actually going to get voted on is the head guy in the Senate has to be okay with it to bring it to the floor for a vote. Supposedly, they have bipartisan support of this, but what this is going to do is this is going to carve CBD out of the process that you were talking about before, the IND process, which is an investigational new drug thing with the FDA.

2:03:17Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, they want to Carve it out and put it into the dietary supplement thing, kind of like the Qnol or the vitamin C or the other things that you could extract from plants, put it into a capsule, Or how about that shit Prevagen? What the fuck is that, right? Some thing from a jellyfish. They extract jellyfish, put it into a capsule, give it to senior citizens, and now it all of a sudden improves their memory.

2:03:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, what the fuck is that? You know, Prevagen, right? So, I mean, that's the category that CBD and tobacco actually all belong in, or maybe not tobacco, but...

2:03:56BubblemanWell what do you think of that interim rule the DEA did recently on the hemp farm bill and don't you know the way it kind of opens up for GW because there's a thing in there that says anyone with FDA approved products will no longer have to use have permits or licensing for import or export I'm like listen like

2:04:17Dr Mark ScialdoneThese guys are getting ready to clear the board. Okay, so what the interim final ruling is, is an attempt by the DEA to harmonize the Controlled Dangerous Substance Act with the American Agriculture Improvement Act, aka the Farm Bill, right? So the Farm Bill basically says if it's below 0.3 THC in the plant, it's legal, it's hemp, high five, go grow your hemp, right? They forgot that as soon as you buck those hemp plants, And you take not the entire plant at 0.3.

2:04:48Dr Mark ScialdoneNow you take the more important parts of the plant. As soon as you trim it to extract it, to distill it, to isolate it. Oh, way over. Yeah, well, except the isolate. If you're talking about CBD isolation portion. But the dirty secret is, again, we talked about this on Hash Church a couple of times. At 0.3% in a typical yield of these high yielding varieties like Lifter and Cherry Wine and whatnot, Box and all those.

2:05:16Dr Mark ScialdoneOn a typical yield of acre of hemp, if you grow like a drug variety in a drug variety kind of way, that's almost like five pounds of TC per acre. It's a lot of THC, right? That's what I'm saying. It's a lot. Yeah. And so they never, you know, geez, the intellectual furnaces weren't burning hard enough to realize that, well, even if we regulate this stuff and put this stuff as 0.3 in the plant, that every step along the way, until you're in the diluted, you know, tincture, obviously the diluted tinctures back down to 0.3 or whatever it was in the plant, but everything along the way, which is called, Mark Benthien, MD, Work in Progress Hemp Extract is all basically illegal just based on the amount of THC.

2:06:06SpeakerAnd the whole Delta A- Not only that, Mark, but the truth of it is, if you have a high CBD variety that's over 10%, the odds are it's hot if you let it mature. Because CBD synthases produce about a 25 to 1 ratio of THC.

2:06:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Yeah, Sam, I was in a field yesterday, just right down the road here in Maryland, that's growing a high CBG variety of something called Lifter. And there is no THC in that variety at all. Zero, none.

2:06:43Collin PalmerI can second that, Mark. We have varieties.

2:06:47Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's got about 1% or 2%. In dry weight, it's got about 1% or 2% CBD. But it's got like about 18% CBGA.

2:06:58Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it's completely got all of its synthases shut down, at least after what the got, the geranial, allotilvic, All right, I've been.

2:07:40SpeakerI've smoked CBG. We developed Thai CBG varieties more than 15 years ago.

2:07:48Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat kind of level? I mean, 15%. That's pretty high, right?

2:07:53SpeakerThat's pretty high. I agree. And ours also had little to no THC at all. But you don't smoke CBG for recreational purposes.

2:08:06Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Yeah, so how does it make you feel? Does it make you feel high or relaxed?

2:08:11SpeakerNot at all. I don't like CBD. I don't like CBG. I don't like CBC. None of them get me high and I don't like them. I smoke to get high, not to get healthy because I'm already healthy.

2:08:27BubblemanDude, you just crushed COVID out in 24 hours. How about that?

2:08:34Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd he's patented it probably.

2:08:36Collin PalmerMark, I've been dry sifting some CBG and it's really a nice resin to work with. It produces, it's unlike CBD where it's very viscous and very low yielding and Typically a lot darker and amber and by nature. It's for some reason.

2:09:00Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's a full melt dab of that like? I mean, what is that?

2:09:05Collin PalmerI feel just to me that the feeling I get from it when I'm at kind of base level, which still has, I still have Delta 9 in my system. I feel kind of relaxed if I'm really in tune with myself. And I think Individuals that are more sensitive to cannabinoids and minor cannabinoids that don't have as much Delta-9 in their system feel a bit more sedated from it.

2:09:30Collin PalmerThat's what I commonly hear. So there's, you know, it is still very individual and that's, it's still anecdotal at best right now, how everyone's kind of tapping into it. But there is, I see a lot of promise. From the extraction side, I think it's really desirable. I think I'm really curious to see what I can do with some fresh frozen.

2:09:52SpeakerWell, we developed it 15 years ago for medicinal use. Absolutely. But we tried it for recreational use and like THC, pure THC varieties or CBG varieties or CBD or CBC, they don't really have true recreational value. I mean, some people will say CBD calmed you down, but okay, but that's not getting you ripping high, which is what I thought.

2:10:21Collin PalmerWhat about together, Sam? Like, what about all of these major and minor cannabinoids together at various levels? Would you agree that, you know, removing one of them would change that experience?

2:10:33SpeakerI have not tried them all, but Of course, everybody's tried equal mixtures of CBD and THC because all of the important synth and hash traditionally was a mixture of THC and CBD. Sure.

2:10:50Collin PalmerThere's some arguments out that the cannabinoid synthase in terms of the entourage effect, you know, this general subject that we kind of touch on, you know, to remove one Chris Brown, percentage of let's say CBC or CBG from a, you know, cultivar profile, which completely reshape the experience of that cultivar, you know, same thing on the on the terpene synthase. Chris Brown, So it's, I don't know if anyone has any thoughts on that.

2:11:20Collin PalmerBut it's, it's, it's something that I've been kind of thinking about lately.

2:11:26SpeakerI traditionally bred high THC varieties for recreational. Now, when I was interested in medicinal varieties, we created the world's first CBD only variety. The same thing with CBC, CBG, THCV. We did all those, but they were not for recreational use. They were for medicinal use. Yeah, I see.

2:11:54Etienne FontanI use a full cannabinoid spectrum. So I mix all my water concentrates together and seeds. And then I put all my BHOs, et cetera, together and mix them. Because for me, that's work for me is a full spectrum. If I try one thing, I get a little bit of this. I try something else, get a little bit of this. So for over a decade, I personally, I've just mixed it all together into, you know, um, And keep adding to it like an everlasting gobstopper.

2:12:22BubblemanSo that sounds like full spec drums.

2:12:27Etienne FontanYes. Yeah. And it, but that's works for me because I have access to, but you know, because some people can find a certain flower specifically works for them. I have, because of my Gulf War Syndrome, I have various different symptoms from nerve damage to nausea, to migraines, to, you know, a different situation. So each one sort of matters. So, you know, combining the ensemble effect of them all Allows me to be productive and allows me to be a part of society.

2:12:59SpeakerThat's how I feel. What did you smoke in the 60s and the 70s before there were the minor cannabinoid varieties?

2:13:08Etienne FontanI was hanging out in my mom's ovaries. You know, we're having a great time, you know, me and the other eggs.

2:13:13ColinWe were all like, sup, sup!

2:13:16Etienne FontanNo, I didn't get turned on until I was, you know, yeah, 18, 19. So, and I didn't really get turned on to real concentrates until I was out here in California in my early 20s. So, I mean, your experience, you were well into it way before. It's just, this is what I found over time for me during the access, because early on in an Oakster Dam, I was able to get a lot of quality water hash.

2:13:45Etienne FontanTwo, I had the original machine from working at the Galaxy Gallery back in the late 90s. So I was making my own water hash and people were contracting with me to make their water hash for them because they'd never seen A machine that could make quality hash like this, that bubble. I mean, that blew our minds, you know? So I just would initially just take scrapings off of the coffee filters and then mix them together in a coffee grinder.

2:14:15Etienne FontanAnd that's what started it for me. And so you're way ahead of us by decades.

2:14:23SpeakerYou didn't know what cannabinoids you were smoking because Until, when was it, 1990 or, no wait, till 2000, there was not analytical labs available in California.

2:14:38Collin PalmerAnd Sam, when do you think the first analytic, you know, analytics really were for cannabinoids?

2:14:45SpeakerYou know, because it, you're touching on this idea that... People like Dr. Osoli have been doing this for decades and decades. We began our work in the very early 1990s, where we got an analytical lab, which was, we checked with Dr. Brandeisen with the same sample to Brian, Dr. Brandeisen and Dr. O'Sullivan and our lab, and we got identical results and we knew we were doing it right.

2:15:19BubblemanAnd who was running that lab, Sam? Like, was Dave Pate the main chemist there?

2:15:23SpeakerCorrect. He was the chemist that was hired to do all this work. Correct.

2:15:29Collin PalmerSo at that time, you guys were really kind of a forward, you know, the, this is really great because it's, you know, the stuff I look at every day, you know, is probably on the shoulders of the work that you and your team was doing, you know, in terms of the analytics. So, you know, what we, you know, what we're looking at from, in terms of the Mike Roybal Test is really kind of, I would still say, kind of very limiting in terms of what we're able to see and test for.

2:15:54Collin PalmerWould you kind of agree?

2:15:58SpeakerYeah, our focus was not that, to be honest. We were growing organically and we didn't worry about it because we were not selling it. But that said, I mean, the truth of it was nobody had minor cannabinoids. Nobody knew what they were. And if your variety happened to have some in it, you didn't know it.

2:16:21Collin PalmerRight. So, yeah, that's why, right. So what varieties do you think were, what regions of the, of, you know, the world in terms of, of the, you know, where things kind of stem from post-ice age, do you think a lot of these, these miners were really kind of coming from or were they really selectively bred?

2:16:38SpeakerNo, they, they were all over when the way we bred, Hi, single cannabinoid varieties of a minor cannabinoid was, for example, THC-B. I used California orange because it had small amounts in it. I used a Thai variety that had small amounts. I used a napkin variety that had small amounts. And I used a South African variety that had small amounts of THC-B. And then we sell those for generations and then combine them all at the end.

2:17:11SpeakerAnd had a variety that was well over 10% THC with little to no THC.

2:17:18Collin PalmerRight. Wow.

2:17:21SpeakerAnd we did the same thing for all the minor cannabinoids. Took about four or five years for each one of them, but we were doing a lot of them at the same time.

2:17:30Collin PalmerSo you guys went through like a whole generation. You went through several generations. Like you went. Oh, we went through several generations.

2:17:38SpeakerAbsolutely correct. And everything was analytically analyzed, everything, so that we were able to use the next generation's best of for that targeted compound.

2:17:54Collin PalmerSo were you guys able to really track what You know, what acid forms were really happening at what times through the process? Did you guys get that granular with you?

2:18:05SpeakerWe weren't so interested in that, but yes, we had HPLC and we had GCFD for the terpenes.

2:18:14Collin PalmerBecause I think the thing I'm trying to understand now is how we can track that through certain varieties to phenohunt and, you know, to maximize the most out of a You know, and you said variety to get not only the best phenotype, but the best chemotype.

2:18:35SpeakerWell, my suggestion is grow them organically in the ground. I used a greenhouse when I lived in Holland. I didn't have a choice. And they will express the cannabinoid terpene maximum that that variety can do. Yeah, I mean, it's not hard to grow excellent weed as long as you don't make stupid mistakes, but we all do.

2:19:03Collin PalmerYeah. Well, that means we shouldn't deforest, Sam. We should take all that and do what Josh was saying, right? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Grow organically with it.

2:19:13Etienne FontanSam, I thought you were perfect. What are you talking about? He who has patented everything. I thought you were the perfect.

2:19:20SpeakerWell, I'm so perfect that no, I'm not quite perfect.

2:19:28Collin PalmerWell, I appreciate the information, Sam, and the knowledge. It's, you know, it's something, you know, I'm always trying to pick up on.

2:19:39SpeakerHey, Sam, when were you first turned on? I would say Dr. Osole, Bren Eisen, and Dr. Mashulam and the associates were three of the very, very best. And that's who we emulated and we considered our leaders. And when we got the same results from the same samples as they did, we knew we were doing something right.

2:20:07Etienne FontanWhen were you first educated on beaver terpenes there, Sam?

2:20:13SpeakerWell, the first time I went to Canada and

2:20:19BubblemanI can't help but think Horatio would be smiling knowing we're still talking about beaver turps.

2:20:26SpeakerWhat's funny is that they're actually used in the food and fragrance.

2:20:30BubblemanRaspberry, yeah.

2:20:32SpeakerRaspberry flavoring.

2:20:35BubblemanVanilla, raspberry, bunch of beaver turps.

2:20:38SpeakerYep, the beaver's sitting there in Canada giving us the raspberry. You know, earlier we were talking about...

2:20:48SpeakerI wanted to go back really quickly. Hi, everybody. Sorry. I had a million things going on. Hi. Oh my gosh. Good to see you. Oh, I love all you guys. So awesome to see you.

2:21:01Dr Mark ScialdoneKelly, you're like a beacon of light.

2:21:05SpeakerI feel the same about you, Mark. Oh, you guys. I was just saying, you know, we were talking about the mitigation of ash and a lot of small farmers are getting hit and ATN, you were just saying, you know, sun grown. It's getting hit harder than ever. And we really need those small farmers to be successful. It's one of the single most important things that we could do on the planet Earth is to help small organic farmers be successful.

2:21:35SpeakerAnd one of the ways that I just wanted to say to everybody out there who's listening, who has a small farm, your success is really important to us. It's important to many of us. And I just was thinking, You know, maybe being done earlier, try to put something in the ground that's going to have all of your crops done, you know, a good portion of it done early, whether that's these beautiful auto flowers that are coming on, you know, some really beautiful trichomes that they're done in early August, or to do light depths, small light depths.

2:22:11SpeakerSo at least part of your crop is going to be finished before the fire season comes on because That's just really, really important. One thing I don't like about auto varieties is you can't grab the best clone so easy and use it for years. Yeah, you've got to be breeding it for seeds. That can be nice and it can be a pain in the butt. So it really depends.

2:22:42SpeakerBut I just wanted to mention there's a company up there in Canada called Sagra. And they have developed a way to keep mother plants of auto varieties. So anybody who needs their services can check them out. And also because we've come into the legal market, you know, keeping clones for a lot of sun grown people is not important. Breeding is absolutely important. Having seeds, direct sowing into the ground.

2:23:12SpeakerYou said it earlier, Sam, you know, direct sowing deep soil beds or how we're going to reach the ultimate potential of the plants. So We're really encouraging these small farmers to have their own breeding stock that's biologically intelligent to their soils, to their areas, to their zones. And the more that we breed for an early finishing, we can really beat out those fires. And these farmers can have great success.

2:23:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the Heart Rock Lion Claws, so dank and filled with flavor and the buds are super solid. And I mean, it's, it's- And the work that's being done.

2:23:51SpeakerI mean, in Daniel's case,

2:23:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAt Heart Rock, I mean, I think he did 140 crosses this year, and he's planning on doing 300 crosses next year.

2:24:05SpeakerAnd for good breeding, you really do need clones. They're part of the breeding program.

2:24:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, there's a reason to keep clones. There is. But I don't know if you have to in the case of like, you know, auto flowers, you know, but there's an intention to everything. So if your intention is to do some certain thing with a clone, you know.

2:24:37SpeakerWell, I don't know. You know, I think that we could really have that discussion. I think that that's a really interesting topic, Sam, because when you take clones, you're really starting to mitigate the immune response of that plant. Then you have to take that plant inside. You may have to put it into a pot. It's no longer in a microbial rich environment. It's no longer in the sunshine.

2:25:00SpeakerAnd I think small farmers.

2:25:05SpeakerI think that it's really great for them to continually choose their varietals by using chemotypes. A lot of these farmers now have field tests that they're able to look at their chemotypes out in the field. And they're really able to track what it is that they're looking for. And they're able to do it intelligently. It's just an interesting, if we're going to be just small farmers and more Not just talking about science and we're not just looking at it in a scientific way, but we're let out a good trichome rich crop that can be used out on the market.

2:25:49SpeakerBreeding seeds is a wonderful opportunity for them. So I just wanted to bring up the other side of that, you know, and not taking clowns. Okay, but I, for example, I maintain my mother's in the ground, 15 feet tall.

2:26:07Collin PalmerWell, I wish I could do that, Sam. I mean, I, I have, I, we have some big mothers and we got a whole room of them, but even, even at a, at a facility, that's, that's a big, we, we change our mothers out more often than that to try to keep them more vigorous and try to keep the, you know, as much vigor and, and as least pathogen You know, filled as we can, you know, because there's a lot of things that go along.

2:26:35SpeakerI really didn't have pest and pathogen problems because I used so many biocontrols as preventatives, to be honest.

2:26:42Collin PalmerYep.

2:26:43SpeakerYeah.

2:26:43Collin PalmerA bunch of mother lovers. Hey. So, Sam, do you, I mean, Kelly, I think, you know, it's an interesting topic because I think about a lot of these things and, you know, there's When you're talking about saving seed and saving varieties, Sam, wouldn't you agree it's good to save the seeds and save those potential new phenotypes and chemotypes that you could get from starting offspring, from bringing things together that you may have hand selected, even though it might not be 2,000 or 5,000 of each to keep the gene pool, as we say.

2:27:27Collin PalmerI think it's a good thing. I think I I've kept clones for 22 years, 24 years, actually.

2:27:35SpeakerBut I also still 30 years without a problem.

2:27:40Collin PalmerRight. So, but I've also started new seeds and I also recognize the value, especially now when I'm now that I'm growing at scale for commercial reasons. We're starting like all types of different varieties and I'm seeing Some really interesting things that I would have never thought as a younger self to even, you know, to even try or attempt to do because I just have these clones that I just know so well.

2:28:03SpeakerTo be honest, I think the closest agricultural crop similarity wise is strawberries. When you want to do strawberry variety, you cross a bunch of different varieties that Wild or whatever that have the traits you're after. Then they grow out 20,000 seeds and they select the 10 or 20 that are the most favorable. And then they reproduce runners from those mother clones. And they eventually have millions of runners to use as a production crop.

2:28:46SpeakerAnd that's the way cannabis is.

2:28:48Collin PalmerSure. And I think to Kelly's point, I think that's, you know, I think it's a good thing to, I don't know, personally, I think it's a good thing to be exploring and understanding, you know, what different varieties could do together because, you know, it's expansive in terms of the creative aspect of it.

2:29:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's natural evolution. I mean, you know, without that, you know, the clone never changes. So obviously. You're going to be doing seed breeding, but it's fun to keep like a sour diesel forever, for example, you know what I mean? Like who doesn't want to grow a whole entire greenhouse of sour diesel? Like, come on.

2:29:25Collin PalmerAnd the recessive traits always come up when you breed with it. So it's really difficult to recreate. And that's the other thing for me that I'm interested in is trying to work with the dominant traits that on some of these really elite things that I have and You know, it's, it's fun to, to try to see what other offspring can, you know, can kind of do. I think Marcus and I were, were talking to a friend, to a friend of his the other day, he was, or a little while ago on a, on a chat, and he was talking about using the Sky Jaro from Mean Gene to, to breed with his other crop because it was so non-invasive.

2:30:01Collin PalmerSo it really brought the dominant traits out in the, in the, the parent stock that he was using. So that, you know, it's, I think there's a lot of value to that.

2:30:17SpeakerI keep clones for breeding and for production, but I every year grow the majority of the plants from seed because that's where the new exciting shit is. Yeah and you know it's a lot like an apple tree you can you can have this beautiful gorgeous apple tree and it's the best apples ever and you can take seeds off of that apple tree and you're never going to be able to recreate that same apple tree so when you do you know breed with that clone or whatever it's never going to be the same so there is some Thank you.

2:30:57SpeakerThank you. Thank you.

2:31:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineResin Ranch. Resin Ranch. What's up in the house? What's up there?

2:31:31SpeakerJust stopping by. Alice was like, hey, you want to say hi?

2:31:35BubblemanHow are you guys all doing? Good, man. How are you doing? I like the shirt.

2:31:42SpeakerWe're we're surviving. Are you? Yeah, we're getting pretty impacted by the fires.

2:31:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBy the August, the August complex fire in your area?

2:31:52SpeakerThe fire has been smoking out the farm, yeah. Down here in Sebastopol, we've pretty much been flanked by fires all summer. So it's been...

2:32:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTotally.

2:32:05SpeakerI feel like it's starting to take a toll on my health at this point. Yeah, you know, I wanted to come on and that's what I wanted to talk about today, you know, really quickly. I didn't know if this was the right time to do that, but just about, you know, how we can, you know, mitigate some of the toxic Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:32:28SpeakerWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:32:53SpeakerCool to come on in. I got nothing going on. Cool. I just wanted, if you wanted to come in and talk about some updates that were really important that people need to know in the region and area first or. Updates, it's kind of hard to stay up with. I just tell anybody get on the CAL FIRE website because it's, I mean, it's changing. Some days it changes hourly.

2:33:20SpeakerThe August complex fire is definitely taking a major toll on the cannabis industry in Humboldt and Mendo this year. I think more than any previous year. Definitely more farms actually burning than just being impacted by ash and smoke.

2:33:39SpeakerI don't want to get into the stories I'm hearing about how Cal Fire is treating the situation up there on some properties. It's just messed up. That's all there is to it. And we, I think it's pretty eye opening. Most of the people in the room, I think would agree with me that as human beings, we need to open our eyes up to what's going on and make some serious changes.

2:34:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd be aware.

2:34:04SpeakerAs human beings, we can't, we can't live like this. You know, it's kind of the thing I was thinking about the other day. I remember a Discovery Channel show on the end of the world and them talking about climate change and massive fires in the West that would burn uncontrolled and air quality. And I remember thinking, oh man, that sounds horrible, but that probably won't happen in my lifetime.

2:34:25SpeakerAnd here we are living it. So like the last two weeks have pretty much have had a low grade headache the whole time, really low on energy. And when we looked into that, they call it a carbon headache apparently from inhaling so much smoke. And like you said, yeah, we all worry about our plants because it's our income. And I definitely have put myself in some situations this year that probably put my health on the line in order to salvage the cannabis, which I'm not sure how I feel about that personally at this point.

2:35:01SpeakerWhich is, you know, we always, you know, we hold this plant so high and we do so much for it, but, and when it's your income, it is hard to make that call that I need to walk away. Like, it's not easy.

2:35:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you were faced with that this year.

2:35:18SpeakerYeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been faced with it more than once. Yeah. And then I have, you know, a farm I consult on that is up on Spy Rock, which is now starting to be evacuated. Really? Ben, an evacuation warning for a while. I don't think Spyrox, it's going to actually get to that point, but we've said that a few times and it's crossed the yield. I didn't think that was going to happen, you know, so.

2:35:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineChris Brown, Fingers crossed. Yeah.

2:35:49SpeakerWell, that that that carbon headache that you're feeling is just massive inhalation of smoke. And what happens is there's a restriction of the capillaries in the body because the body starts to react to such a massive change in the environment. We are so much a part of our environment, like The earth resonates at like a 7.82 or something like that. Don't quote me on the same numbers, but you know that Schumann's resonance and our bodies resonate on the same exact, you know, frequency.

2:36:22SpeakerSo when there's like a whole lot of smoke and fire in the air, not only is there a whole lot of smoke and fire in the air, but the actual resonance of the vibration of the area and the zone that you're in actually changes. So it's incredibly detrimental to us on We have lots of different levels. So not only are we getting smoke inhalation, but the resonance is changing and we need to be dealing with mental health issues.

2:36:46SpeakerA lot of people are like, whoa, another day of smoke. Not only is it that we're in COVID and that people are having restrictions all over the place, but we're dealing with a lack of sunshine, ash and smoke, and also the resonance changing. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:37:23SpeakerAnd that's something that we can really find in a lot of zones and regions. Also, any kind of immune stimulants. Echinacea right now is being dug up. I can't say, you know, more than ever, this is a time to really look at our farms, look at our little gardens and what haven't we planted? Do we have burdock root? Thank you for joining us today.

2:38:01SpeakerAnd I guess, and bentonite clay is another one. Zeolite clay, even more activated, more charged, easy to find. And also, you know, your indigenous microorganisms, however you all are, you know, making indigenous microorganisms for your plants. Kelly Siefkin, MD, Make sure that you're drinking a little bit of your EM, a little bit of your lactic acid bacteria culture, your sauerkraut water, your kimchi. Kelly Siefkin, MD, All of those things that are going to boost our microbiome is incredibly important right now.

2:38:33SpeakerAnd what I wanted to say last is the most important is water. We have to be drinking water. You have to be drinking more water than you even think that your body can be handling right now. Even when your belly is full of water, you have to be drinking more water because just like the plants and in the air, all of the ash is taking all of those humidity particles out of the air and it's causing an incredible dehydration.

2:39:04SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:39:30SpeakerAnd opening up our hearts right now to compassion for those people that are really needing help. I think as human beings, we are here on this planet to be a collective consciousness. And now more than ever, we need to recognize that a part of our planet is really hurting right now. So whenever we can, those people who aren't on the West Coast, send good vibes to the West Coast.

2:39:54SpeakerSend good vibes to our brothers and sisters that are out there. It's meaningful. Prayer matters.

2:39:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, so people on the West Coast feel like they're getting burned out right now. I mean, you know, I think you may be talking about that, Todd.

2:40:08SpeakerYeah, I mean, but it's that's kind of the other thing is the stress level that I know I'm operating at. And I can imagine that everybody else in my position is operating at this year on top of it just being 2020. And all the other crap going on is it's pretty insane that I've actually gotten comfortable operating at this stress level. It kind of scares me. And yeah, it's just this year more than others has me rethinking things.

2:40:39SpeakerLike when I first hopped in, Alice said you guys were talking about, you know, starting earlier, different times, all that stuff. I was just talking about that the other week that totally has me rethinking how I want to run the gardens. And do that, you know, I don't need, I don't think I'm going to even attempt a second depth next year.

2:40:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, diversify and really make use of your product. Yeah, go ahead.

2:41:04SpeakerIt's hard for me to pull off a second depth in my spot just as it is. And then like, you know, we flip the hoops, the fire happened the next day, we didn't see the sun for three weeks. Our plants went through the roof, you know, node spacing is like a foot of fruit. It's, you know, it's in the full terms do all right, because they got to set up earlier in the year before fire season.

2:41:28SpeakerThey seem to handle it a lot better. They don't seem to get smoke damage as easy because they've already kind of culled it up.

2:41:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah.

2:41:36SpeakerYou know, back to more full terms, more seed starts, less steps. And here we are, you know, we're outlying with a plant that's an adaptogen. And we, you know, as cannabis farmers, a lot of us who have been in this for a long time have been really adaptogenic to laws, to regulations, to still trying to get our crop out. So I really encourage us as a community Even though we're feeling really beaten down, we are resilient.

2:42:03SpeakerWe're an incredibly resilient group of people. I've never met a more resilient group of people all over the world. So let's take that resilience and become adaptogens and switch up what we need to so we can still get out the good medicine and If we need to just have one depth that's even bigger, that's earlier or, you know, even longer varietals that go even way further, you know, let's also talk about that.

2:42:29SpeakerWe've been talking about finishing earlier, but what about those, you know, really long flowering sativas, you know, the thin leaf varietals that go and go and go that aren't really done until the beginning of December. A lot of people in California can be doing, you know, those varietals as well. You know, they're well out of, you know, the fire season. One other thing I wanted to say is that as well as the cannabis is an adaptogen, the other thing to ally with is our medicinal mushrooms are really important.

2:42:59SpeakerA lot of people are doing micro sweet medicinal mushrooms. So incredibly important right now. And also so many people are doing Cubenzis and really doing a lot of micro dosing. Ann Arbor, Michigan, woo, woo, just legalized or just decriminalized Cubenzis or any kind of psychedelic plant medicine, which is really awesome. And people who are experiencing depression, you know, a lot of really super low dosing psychedelic mushroom has been really helpful for people too.

2:43:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also, also agaricon and cordyceps are both very supportive to the lungs. So to use Garacon and Cordyceps in teas and ingest that is going to be supportive to your lungs.

2:43:48SpeakerAnd Turkey Tail as well. So, you know, the other thing that I was saying just really quickly is that we were talking with Wade yesterday with Trix and Potent Ponics on his awesome live broadcast that he did all day yesterday. Yeah, is that cannabis is just such an incredibly intelligent being. We've been working hand in hand with this plant for so long. Its intelligence is ours. Our intelligence is it.

2:44:18SpeakerI just really believe that those of us who bred 2020 seeds, it's just incredibly important for us to get out that information. This year is so potent. It's so powerful. It's so transformative. We're in this state of new discoveries. And the cannabis plant is also feeling that vibration of us being in the gardens every day. And then those plants that are The seeds that are being bred, then being popped next year will have all of the intelligence, will have maybe even all of the answers to the future remedies that we need.

2:44:59SpeakerSo it's so important to just keep popping those seeds, especially the ones that we made this year. I'll end it. I've got to say, just with you saying about the seeds created this year, all that stuff, you know, the last two seasons, I kind of got away from Kind of what Joey taught me with this big seed start, start early. They're overall, they're generally going to be healthier, more bug resistant and got into a scene that really, we really had to make it kind of make money.

2:45:31SpeakerAs you guys know, we need to pay our bills and all that stuff. So we went more to the depth thing. And this year I talked my partner into, Hey, let's, let's clear a little area and do some big full terms again. And I gotta say just. Again, with all the crap that goes on, I'm fully sold on big seed starts again and starting from seed. And like you say, they have all that knowledge now of this year.

2:45:55SpeakerAnd what's that going to be advantageous for us in the future if You know, the cannabis starts figuring out on its own. Hey, I need to finish earlier because it's going to be smoky as hell.

2:46:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd there's got to be genetic coding on the evolution that says that the cannabis plant has lived through fire and its evolution. Like there's probably important terpenes that come out in it protecting itself from ash. I mean, right, Mark?

2:46:22Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, there's actually, so the one thing I do know is that after a forest fire, What sort of comes out of the ash from the forest, the bread of the forest, is there's a compound that fits into a class of compounds called butenolides. And this particular butenolide is actually one that enhances seed germination. And it totally makes sense from a natural perspective point of view. So after a forest fire happens, what happens?

2:46:58Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's a whole rebirth in the forest. Well, Steve Adubato, MD, When it turns out that the compounds that are in the soot are actually the compounds that actually encourage seed germination, it kind of makes sense. It's Mother Nature using her own chemistry set to sort of enhance, you know, the replacement of the forest. And you get the fire weed. Fire OG.

2:47:23BubblemanNo, like fireweed is the pink plant that grows after forest fires. It's one of the first plants that always comes up.

2:47:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt should be a future for morels next spring.

2:47:34SpeakerAnd just because you're bringing that up, which is really odd, is I found that the cannabis aphid, the bong aphid, the only other plant that they're as interested in as the cannabis plant is the fireweed. Really notice that just, just saying. And also, you know, if we're thinking about the plants mitigating themselves into the next year, what about the idea that they're feeling our energy every time that we're in the gardens and they start mitigating new, you know, chemo types to be able to help us out in the years coming?

2:48:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know. I just have, I just happened to go through Yellowstone, I think like about six to eight months after they had some very terrible fires there. In the early 90s, and I think I was on dead tour, so I'm trying to remember what year it was. I want to say it was 92, but it might have been 93. But what I remember is that when you look at the areas of the forest that were scorched by the fire, if you got down on your hands and knees and you looked, there was a whole new forest.

2:48:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know what I mean? Like everything that was huge and big was now just small, like all these John Lundgren, MD, Board of Trustees Meeting, John Lundgren, MD, Board of Trustees Meeting, John Lundgren, MD,

2:49:14Dr Mark ScialdoneJerry Larkin, Jr.: Soil for the next forest and it just is this natural cycle and how unfortunate for us people like Jerry Larkin, Jr.: Wade whose house is like right in the way of this natural process that's been happening for thousands of years. And oh, by the way, now it's inconveniencing humans because we're putting our homes in these beautiful places that this happens to

2:49:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's really true. One important reflection that I've come across this year we've talked about before is like living outside of major cities and major like Yeah, cities are toxic, you know, and when they burn, that ash isn't really, like, it's not good, you know, it's toxic, you know, when cars burn and houses burn and propane tanks go off, that ash is detrimental to us. Forest fire ash I mean, it is part of our natural process.

2:50:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat ash is carbon. It's going to go in. It's part of our evolution. I think it's part of what we need. With the mass sickness and the pandemic and all of that that's going on is another reason why cities are something to be careful of. And another reason where if you can make it work out in the country and live their life, even though there are sicknesses out there, even though there's forest fires, And I'm feeling really thankful for my country roots back to the land decisions right now, even though I know that we are in the forest and anything could happen.

2:50:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm still outlying with All of those are natural compounds, and I'm feeling really healthy from it. And I'm feeling for those people who are not, but as a reflection.

2:51:07SpeakerYeah, or people that don't have the choice because we've been set up for 100 plus years, 200 years, that now people have their roots in the cities, and that's where now culture is. So that's really important. I guess we just have to... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:51:46SpeakerBecause of all of the fires down in Oregon and California.

2:51:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Washington.

2:51:51SpeakerAnd Washington. So we were completely smoked out. And we didn't really have any fires around us at all. And we couldn't see the bottom of our field. So, you know, just like how our collective consciousness, we are all connected. We're also all connected in this microbiome that we call Earth. So, you know, the smoke that's happening down in California is the smoke that I'm breathing up here.

2:52:14SpeakerWe're all We are not in it together, and we always like to separate ourselves that we are not in it together, but the smokes and All of these things that are happening over in China or over in Siberia that went on forever and ever, of course, are affecting all of us.

2:52:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's important to recognize just south of the border, whole towns burnt down from Spokane to central Washington, all the way through Oregon, all the way through California. I mean, probably close to And we got the worst what air in North America up here in Vancouver.

2:53:00ColinIt's I was I'm out of ratios. You can't see 15 feet in front of you. It's hard to breathe up here. And you talk about those headaches and stuff like that. I'm starting to really associate the headaches and how I've just been so down the last couple weeks and stuff. It's hard to breathe out here. I'm in Abbotsford and it's right now you look outside. Coming home last night through Manning Park and stuff like that, you can just smell it.

2:53:22ColinJust like it's bad. It is.

2:53:24SpeakerThe smoke is bad up here.

2:53:26ColinSo take a lot of the advice you guys are talking about, about those supplements and stuff like that. I didn't really think about that, but there's definitely a lot of smoke in the air up here. That's for sure. Kava Kava.

2:53:38SpeakerYeah, we all, a lot of us, you know, we're all outlying with cannabis and it's wonderful. It's a great analgesic. It's very helpful. But, you know, Kava Kava is a wonderful nerve vine. It really helps sort of coat the end of our nerves that are sort of frayed, you know, that feeling of feeling frayed and at the end of your rope. We use that term all the time.

2:53:59SpeakerI'm at the end of my rope. Well, that's your nerves talking. Your nerves are literally at the end of their rope. So allying with kava kava and not just smoking cannabis, but also ingesting it. When we ingest it, it's much more of a nerve vine. It helps coat the end of the nerves.

2:54:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd allergies. And Miso Soup. Thank you. Thank you, ATN.

2:54:24Etienne FontanYeah, I used Kava Kava and Miso to get away from my Gulf War Syndrome because I was dealing with a lot of over-toxic bodies. So I studied on what they used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and that's what they used. They used... You know, but especially miso soup, but kava kava I got turned on to as well. And, you know, those changed my life, you know, especially if I'm having, I have permanent nerve damage when I have really bad nerve days, kava kava works.

2:54:52Etienne FontanYeah, oh, I'd love to hear that ATN.

2:54:54SpeakerAnd also, you know, that's there, there's that wonderful Aspergillus microbe that is in Mesa.

2:55:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAspergillus orze.

2:55:05SpeakerAspergillus orze. And we always talk about Aspergillus as being the enemy. Well, you know, here is this highly intelligent microbe that really is incredibly helpful. I love that. Thank you. Thanks for sharing.

2:55:18ColinTransmitter that actually has kava kava. And now that you're talking about this, this is a lot in a lot of my amino acid papers and stuff back in the day. So I am actually taking that. I just haven't been taking it recently. So I'm going to jump back into the vitamin cover and open that thing up and jump right into what I'm looking for. Thank you for reminding me.

2:55:41SpeakerSo I'm going to hop in here again quick. Since we're talking about fires, and I see comments over here in the comment thing, is all the Oregon outdoor trash, is all the Cali weed trash? I don't think so. You know, the first year I moved out here, the first time I went into a dispensary was right after all the fires in Calaveras. And I got to say, every single jar of weed I smelled smelled like smoke.

2:56:08SpeakerI don't know what happened there that that happened, but I've never seen that since. I've seen cannabis completely smoked the hell out and come off the line smelling and tasting just fine. I know a lot of people are going to go into the peroxide and lemon juice and baking soda dips this year. Personally, I'm not sure where I am on how clean the cannabis is coming out of these fires, if it's not treated versus treated.

2:56:41SpeakerAnd if it's something that we really need to concern ourselves with, or if it's kind of one of those, you know, you're already combusting something, you're already smoking something that, you know, cannabis has its, you know, positive medical effects, but let's be honest, you are doing damage to your lungs by doing that. What else are we ingesting by smoking that cannabis that is out in those fields?

2:57:06SpeakerI personally don't feel it's ruined. I, in 2017 with the Santa Rosa fires, we had stuff that got ash. We had stuff that didn't get ash. We had stuff that had smoke, no smoke, all that. We did multiple different ways of harvesting. We did the dip on some stuff. We didn't do the dip on some stuff. We washed some stuff. We didn't wash some stuff. We had all of that stuff tested.

2:57:30SpeakerAnd we had very clean results come back that year. We had a few, you know, you get the odd ones of like, oh, chloroform or whatever. And they tell you, just send it back in and retest it. And it came back clean. So I've kind of always been the mode of thinking that it's, It's not doing as much damage, I think, as the end consumer kind of thinks.

2:57:49SpeakerYou know, they all just think barbecue OG and all that crap and that we're smoking poison. I don't know. I don't know if any of you guys have any more insight on that.

2:58:00Dr Mark ScialdoneI agree with you. The ash that falls, what's falling if it's ash onto the plant itself is typically just, you know, again, very, very light mineral content and very Very little, you know, in terms of toxicity. The toxicity and what we're, you know, referring to before is the way that these, a city fire would smell as opposed to say like a country fire. Where in the country, you might just be burning brush in a culvert or something like that.

2:58:34Dr Mark ScialdoneWhere in a city, there's probably going to be like a lot of trash. The bad part of, of smoke, the thing that can contaminate cannabis would be What's in the soot? And what's in the soot? There's a class of compounds called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. And these are like some of the most toxic hydrocarbons known to man. But ironically, this is part of the the barbecued flavor that that people love.

2:59:05Dr Mark ScialdoneLike if you like barbecued brisket or smoked brisket, or if you like You know, not to talk about the meat diet again, markets, but if you like charcoal grilled food, those black stripes on your steak and everything like that, where it actually caramelizes, a lot of that degradation, you know, sugar degradation and whatnot, pyrolysis ends up with these polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are really toxic. And that's why you could probably go to a Burger King, go scrape those black lines off the hamburger, send it to a lab, Go show that there's polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in there and shut down Burger King because they're selling toxic hamburgers because, but that's part of the grilled taste that humans love so much.

2:59:52Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, you know.

2:59:53SpeakerYeah, but Mark, with cannabis, that's not part of the taste and smell that we love. If you could taste and smell it, I wouldn't smoke it.

3:00:06Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, no, no. Yeah, I'm just talking about like the elements of fire mixing with cannabis and where, where I agree.

3:00:14SpeakerYou remember, I love a good burger or a good steak. And I like them grilled. So I know exactly what you're talking about. And c'est la vie. But with cannabis, I got a choice. And if I can smell it or taste it, meaning the fires, I don't want that cannabis product. Yeah, I mean, I got to agree. If it smells like smoke, I mean, nobody's going to want it.

3:00:38SpeakerI'm talking to stuff that comes out and doesn't smell like smoke, you know?

3:00:42Dr Mark ScialdoneSo like when we were talking about this on Hash Church a couple of years ago when fires were happening in California, I thought what I remember, and the nice thing about Hash Church, we can go back and watch them now and go listen to that, is I think there were a couple episodes where, oh my God, there's all these fires. There's going to be all this smoky weed.

3:01:00Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then a couple episodes later where, yeah, there's a bunch of smoky weed out on the market. To a couple episodes later to where, hey, it makes really good fire oil, you know, to where, again, you know, if you're making distillate, you're going to purify any smokiness out of the distillate. I'm not saying that all that material was destined for distillate. And certainly, I think the way that most, the economics of most grows, you know, would be like, you want to sell your premium flour, your best flour at a different rate than you want to sell, say, like, Steve Brown, Your bulk biomass, which is just going for, for distillate or just oil formation, you know, for, for Rick Simpson type oils or things again, where maybe flavor really doesn't matter, but those, you know, cannabinoids are still going to be in there.

3:01:51Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, in some crudes, there's almost like a smoky flavor, right, Wade? I mean, I've tasted some crudes that almost have like, I wouldn't say a smoky essence to it, but maybe like a somewhat of like a burnt essence to it, where maybe in the way that they're recovering their solvent from their extraction, actually kind of like put some kind of like burnt flavor into the oil itself.

3:02:16Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's still effective, and I still think you could make Thank you for joining us today.

3:02:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think the fire has to be like within a mile of your property and dumping fucking ash on your weed. Like in that case, you know, I mean, that's going to be tough to get that off. But when it has a chance to get somewhat cleansed in the atmosphere, I'm sure there's some molecular change that's happening in the atmosphere, even, you know, when it's, you know, but if you're next to a crowning fire, I mean, my goodness, you know.

3:03:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat can you expect? But I think when it has a chance to fill up the atmosphere and the odd ashes falling, which is probably still the majority of people, although this is a unique year, we'll see what happens. But I think you're right to say that it's definitely a lot of it's good.

3:03:30Dr Mark ScialdoneSoot is usually black. Soot would have like, think of soot is kind of like, The, the component that is left on the inside of your chimney. That's why you have to get your chimney clean. Because when soot builds up there, essentially, it could basically just be, you know, flammable later, later on.

3:03:52SpeakerBut it's oily.

3:03:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, exactly. It's oily. It's kind of like, it's kind of like, well, it's soot, creosote, right? So ash is different. Like ash, again, if you were to do the- It's absorbable. Yeah, in a different way. Exactly. I don't think ash is as much of an issue as if your plants are kind of in an area where they're getting fumigated with the sooty flames and effluent of a fire.

3:04:24Dr Mark ScialdoneDoes that make sense? Right?

3:04:27Collin PalmerAnd Mark, would it be like spraying geranium oil and then letting that kind of happen? You know, naturally and break down naturally. And then it would just the the the smell goes away and it breaks down over time. And I would imagine similar things are happening with with light ash. I've had no reports from anyone that I'm close with that they've had any smoky

3:04:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, I mean, leaf microbes are still eating things that land on the leaf. So if you have an opportunity, like those plants are still growing. And if the fire went away, then I believe, you know, then the plant, the stomata and everything, you know, every minute of every day is consuming what's on the leaf. So the plant does have the ability to consume a lot

3:05:13SpeakerAnd we do know that during fire and when there's a lot of ash that the cyanobacteria on the surface of the leaf, you know, exponentially doubles, triples, you know, it starts to grow because there is so much dust for it to consume. So I do think that there is a You know, some type of a homeostasis balance that happens with outdoor flower. Also, one thing that I wanted to say that's super easy for people to understand when we were talking about city fire and forest fire is that the smoke coming off of city fire is carbon monoxide.

3:05:51SpeakerThe smoke coming off of a forest fire is carbon dioxide.

3:05:57Dr Mark ScialdoneThey're both there. Who's telling you that? Who said that to you?

3:06:06SpeakerI've heard that. Is that not true that there's more carbon monoxide in city air?

3:06:12Dr Mark ScialdoneNo. Combustion makes both CO2 and CO. I think, yeah, there's no rational basis for that chemistry-wise. So combustion...

3:06:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat about atmosphere? I agree. Yeah.

3:06:32SpeakerSo there's no in the air. There wouldn't be like some type of, you know, city toxicity in the smoke. Yes, there is from plastic. Yeah, right. Right.

3:06:49Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. If my laptop here were to fall into a fire and start burning. Most of this plastic is a thermoplastic called, well, it's vinyl, which is polyvinyl chloride. So when polyvinyl chloride or when styrene, all the conventional plastics, multiple plastics that we use, when those things burn, yeah, they give off basically, they thermally degrade and give off very noxious soots and particulates that you don't want to be breathing in.

3:07:18Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's absolutely true. No question about it. I don't think it's down to the CO2 mixture. It's just down on what you're burning. A lot of that stuff, again, especially the polymers, what happens is as they burn, the neighboring polymer next to it, so if this part of the plastic is burning, This part of the plastic is melting and vaporizing. That's why when you throw plastic into like a campfire, you start to see little kind of like floaties all over the place and everything.

3:07:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd will those toxins join together with carbon pieces and chain off?

3:07:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know what they're going to do though? They're just going to end up in the upper atmosphere as just, you know, volatiles that you don't want to be burning and you don't, Uh, certainly I saw people throwing trash into a fire and then cooking marshmallows on there. It's like, oh my God, people just, you know, I mean, you know, part of it is having, um, again, this cradle to grave recognition that all the packaging material and everything that we throw away into the trash, a lot of it does get burned.

3:08:23Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd a lot of that stuff does have bad effects in the environment. So, yeah.

3:08:28SpeakerSo we have a chemist in here. Here's another thing I've been talking about that you can probably clarify more. Where? There's a chemist? I think it's great. I was horrible at chemistry. So, like horrible at chemistry.

3:08:42SpeakerThe other thing that people have been talking about up here on and on and on and on is water plus ash equals lie. And what's that going to do to plants? What's that going to do to soil? I've gotten into a couple conversations. Wendy from Sun Abyss, I'm sure you guys know Wendy Dragonfly. And she's kind of the one that brought this up. And she shut the comments down on her post about it because I think she knew it was going to create.

3:09:09SpeakerHubbub. First of all, what sort of concentration of ash needs to land on the soil for it to cause an issue? And at this point in the season, my thing was, I'm not even concerned because my plants are big enough at this point. There ain't a damn bit of ash hitting the soil underneath them. I'm sure there is, obviously.

3:09:31Dr Mark ScialdoneAs you recognize, it's all concentration. It's all a matter of how much of that stuff is there. And there's so little there that it's never going to be able to balance what acid rain has done, right? So acid rain has basically moved the pH needle on what comes down from the sky almost by a whole pH unit in the last 30 years, right? So, I mean, yeah, bring on the lie, right?

3:09:55Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's a whole lot of acid rain to neutralize.

3:09:58SpeakerThat was exactly the argument is it was going to change the pH in your soil and that you need to watch out for that.

3:10:03Dr Mark ScialdoneProbably, I mean, in a local sense, hold on, Sam, let me just add this. So if you take a bunch of ash, And you add it into your grow. Yeah. On a local sense, you're going to see a swing of pH. No question about it. So lye, again, some of the components in there are like sodium and lithium. And when they get wet, combined with water, they make hydroxides, which is going to basically increase the pH and give you a more basic pH.

3:10:29Dr Mark ScialdoneNo question about it. Just like lye would. But, you know, again, everything's all in, you know, the stuff's floating down from the sky for Christ's sakes. It's not like, People are dumping pounds of this shit on your grow, right?

3:10:42SpeakerThat's exactly what I thought. It's not Mount St. Helens.

3:10:45Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, yeah, I mean, Mount St. Helens is, yeah, I mean, something like that is going to, you know, that was, yeah, it was great. There was a Grateful Dead show going on. In Eugene, I think, when Mount St. Helens...

3:10:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think it was Portland.

3:11:00Dr Mark ScialdonePortland.

3:11:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think it was Portland.

3:11:02SpeakerIt was like Meadows, I think.

3:11:03Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, and they were fire on the mountain. They played fire on the mountain, and there was a really fire on the mountain, you know? Yeah, I mean, that was, well, I mean, I guess in and around, and in fact, a lot of what we know about how volcanoes and replenish the ecosystem has been some of the publication that's come from the science that's studied Mount St. Helens.

3:11:27Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd looked at the neighboring areas on how quick it was terrified back into organic existence.

3:11:35SpeakerThat's what I was going to say, Mark, was that at first on a volcano slope, nothing will grow for the first couple of years. But after that, it grows better than the surrounding farmland.

3:11:49Dr Mark ScialdoneIt does, yeah. Yeah, there's a whole zoo of microbes that start inhabiting that. And once the microbes start, I mean, Josh and Kelly will agree that it creates basically the chemistry of soil inside what was just an inorganic, glassy, rocky substrate, completely void of life. You know, it takes that thing and just turns it into, yeah, just a sponge and a zoo of life. So it's so fucking cool.

3:12:21Dr Mark ScialdoneMother Nature's pretty good chemist.

3:12:27SpeakerI've seen excellent cannabis from volcanic soils like in Hawaii and other places. I know it works.

3:12:39Wade LaughterI wanted to circle back to something that was being offered about ash that settles on plants. Over the last couple of years with the fires in California, I've asked some of the growers who had crops out when the ash was going on or when they were threatened by fire. And the folks who took their crop down while ash was still falling and they were concerned their crop was going to burn or whatnot reported more Thank you for joining us.

3:13:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat kind of problems did they have with the material that they took down?

3:13:38Wade LaughterOh, it was taste. Taste and cure. The cure, yeah, just didn't work out. The flour didn't taste nice. It burned poorly. This was over near Santa Rosa when the urban area of Santa Rosa burned a couple of years ago. Some of the farmers in that area are who I was talking to. And yeah, they were trying to save their crop, got it down and into a drying facility away from the fire.

3:14:06Wade LaughterBut we're real disappointed with the results, whereas some other farmers, again, not urban, so there's a variable that may not be relevant, but We've got a couple more questions. We've got a couple more questions. We've got a couple more questions.

3:14:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo it turns out leaf blowers are good for blowing tear gas away from you. They're also really good at blowing ash off your weed. So wow, you know, leaf blowers are turning out important this year. 2020 is like the year of the leaf blower.

3:15:00SpeakerI can tell you firsthand, if there's not too much ash on the starting material, it can pretty much be washed out and tested clean. Yeah, for sure. And I think that there is a fight over remediation that happens. And also, I would think just, you know, that Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you.

3:15:42SpeakerLet Mother Nature take care of it, especially those who are, you know, working with deep soil and microbiology and have a lot of, you know, regenerative practices around them. I think their flower is absolutely going to be just fine. And also, you know, and anybody who's listening out there, just because we're talking about The smoke and the ash damage. Of course, there's going to be amazing, beautiful, small farm flower coming out of this year.

3:16:13SpeakerPlease, you know, just because you're hearing about this doesn't mean don't go out and try it. I mean, I've already seen some flower that was even just recently cut. It's beautiful. It smells amazing. People are having a lot of successes now.

3:16:27Dr Mark ScialdoneSo well, if the if the if the ash washes off into the into the hash water, Theoretically, again, to go back to this theory of lie, theoretically, the pH of the water should increase because now you're dissolving all those minerals, which are bases, and they basically make an increase in pH. So it would be interesting to see is in your washings of ash hash, do you actually see a higher pH of the water?

3:17:00SpeakerI'll grab the pH pen and let you know.

3:17:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDo it. And I think that would be good water to sink into a compost pile or into the aisles of your garden to kind of sink that ash, hash water.

3:17:15SpeakerAnd tell Wooks us if he works with anybody on the legal spot to do the same thing. And that's kind of what I was getting at with the ash thing is where is that concentration point where you're really going to see that? I mean, how much has to say a 32 gallon wash with 4,000 grams of material in there? What concentration of that needs to be asked to actually change the pH of the water?

3:17:37Dr Mark ScialdoneNot much, actually. Not much. I mean, I think what you would see is you'd see a change. So if you're washing, like, I don't know, how much are you washing at a time? Like five or 10 pounds?

3:17:50SpeakerAbout 4,000 wet grams a can. So call it two pounds.

3:17:54Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, two pounds. Yeah, you should see a little bit of change in the pH, especially if it's got a lot of ash in there. You know? Yeah.

3:18:04BubblemanYou think it's that much? Two pounds from just four? Yeah, I guess, yeah, about two pounds.

3:18:09SpeakerSorry. We call it the 2,225 gram conversion, which I've heard somebody say that the BCC uses 2,450, but then Flynn Wooksauce laughed. He's like, the BCC doesn't have any parameter on what's fresh frozen because you pay the plant weight, so they don't want to do conversion. Yeah, of course. That's just California 2225. That's what they've used forever. How accurate is that? I really don't know. We just did a huge harvest at a friend's farm and one of his guys pulled some of the bags and dried it and According to his numbers, it's 2,000 is far less than a pound.

3:18:51SpeakerSo, I mean, it's a game we have to play with farmers too of the like, you know, you equate 2,225 wet grams to a pound, but that's untrammed and that's actually not equal. So it's more like two thirds of a pound. So in their head, it's hard for them to wrap around freezing weed, you know, you know. Yeah, and the water weight and accounting for that.

3:19:13Dr Mark ScialdoneIt would be interesting to see a, Again, is there a change in pH and do the natural components of what else is in the hash water somehow buffer that change in pH? So no matter how much ash is in there, you won't really see a swing of pH. Well, one of the experiments you could run is you can take your water after you've done your hashing and add ash to it and see if you could change the pH.

3:19:43Dr Mark ScialdoneSee if the natural components of what you're extracting out of the plant is capable of basically masking the increase in pH that you would see if there was ash in there. And again, the way you do that is you spike it with ash to see if you actually see, you know, the increase in pH.

3:20:01SpeakerI'm just gonna, you know, take a wild guess here, but with the amount of ash I'm seeing on that size run, I would expect maybe You know, like a gram or two of it to be ash, you know, out of the entire weight of the whole thing.

3:20:16Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. And, and that, so if you just think about the stoichiometry of how much, how much you need, you would need to add to swing the pH a little bit, you're going to see a difference in pH.

3:20:26SpeakerI'm going to check it out.

3:20:27Dr Mark ScialdoneAlmost guarantee it. Yep. Cool. You can report it back here on hash church.

3:20:33SpeakerI'm all about figuring those things out because I get, I get, I can't tell you how many times people ask me all these crazy questions of what can be washed, what can't be washed, what should I bother with? And, you know, we've, I will sit here and admit that we've washed some pretty crazy stuff so that we could run it through testing or see, just see for ourselves exactly what happens in the end.

3:20:57BubblemanPeople only realize their questions are literally so they don't have to see what happens. It's such an insane thing. It's like, oh, I don't want to make any mistakes because mistakes lead to innovation. And yeah, we can't have that. I need to just ask everyone, oh, hey, just tell me all your mistakes that you made so I don't make those same. Go out and make those very same mistakes and make a bunch of new ones and come back and tell us all about the innovation it led to.

3:21:23BubblemanDon't ask me questions that keep you from that journey. I get a lot of those questions, man. I'm just like, okay, how do I answer this?

3:21:31SpeakerI feel like that's one thing I've always, I've always, no matter what anybody tells me, I have to find out for my own. So I just stopped asking years ago and throw it through and see what we get, you know?

3:21:42ColinYeah, if you're not making mistakes in your garden or figuring things out and dealing with different issues, you're never going to learn. It's one thing. I've always pushed my plants through their limits and I leave plants in one gallon pots for six months just to see what I can do with them, just so I can learn from it. So you can understand it.

3:22:00Collin PalmerYou haven't botched a run. You haven't done it right.

3:22:03ColinI mean, I've had everything, every problem known to a gardener, I think. At scales. I don't know if anybody's ever had scales. I'm sure I've got them. But learning how to deal with all those problems are a great way. And that's all it's ever been is just research and understanding and seeing what works. And everybody's still fighting powdery build. How do I deal with it? How do I deal with it?

3:22:29ColinIt's hard to do.

3:22:30Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, you learn a whole lot more from an experiment that doesn't work than from an experiment that does work. If you do an experiment that works, why'd you do the experiment to begin with, right? It wasn't much of an experiment if you knew if it was going to work. Research is what you do when you don't know what you're doing. Yeah. You just got to try some shit.

3:22:51BubblemanThat is the truth. I like the way you put that. Listen, we got seven more minutes for today's episode. It's been great having everyone on here. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm going to go and spend the rest of the day with my little son who's anxiously waiting on the other side of the door there. And so, yeah, let's finish it off. Seven minutes left.

3:23:10BubblemanIf you guys want to say anything about Paratio, feel free to now. This might be a good time to mention a little something something because this is the end of the episode.

3:23:21Dr Mark ScialdoneGo ahead, anyone. Mark Horatio is the reason why I became on the panel at Hash Shirt. So you guys wouldn't know who I am and I wouldn't know any of you people. And so I have to be grateful for his friendship and for You know, he reached out to me. I never reached out to him. He reached out to me. And, and then I was, I think he was like on his phone with me a couple of times while he was on hash church.

3:23:51Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd he'd like ask me a question and then he'd go back to hash. So, and then it just became natural. Hey, Mark, why don't you come on? And so I think Mark, did he introduce me to you? Right. Did a hundred percent. Yep. I have to be grateful for how hash church. Has enriched my life with all of your friendship. And, you know, I see the comments in the chat.

3:24:14Dr Mark ScialdoneEveryone seems to like when I pipe in with knowledge and it's just my pleasure of my life to be here to share that knowledge with y'all and to be everyone's friend on this panel. You guys mean a lot to me, kind of like my internet family. So I really, I have to be grateful for Horatio for introducing me to you, Marcus, and for your continued, you know, friendship.

3:24:38Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Johnny's continued friendship and Sam and everybody. And so I think what we find in life is it's not like what you know, and it's not necessarily who you know, but it's like who you get to know and who you bring into your circle and your the influence that you have among your friends and the collective knowledge that you're able to share. You know, the old saying, a rising tide rises all boats.

3:25:04Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so. I think that's what Hash Church does is it rises all boats. And so for my contribution here, I'm directly thankful to Horatio for inviting me and bringing me in, man.

3:25:18BubblemanYeah, 100%. I give thanks to Johnny B for introducing me to Horatio and give thanks to Horatio for introducing me to you. And just like I said, passing that, you know, spark on down the line and letting everyone get inspired. He definitely won't be forgotten. His words are on Hash Church forever. And anyone that wants to go and look those up, I'm sure eventually someone will put a cool list together that has all of the episodes that Horatio was ever on.

3:25:47BubblemanSo, Yeah, props, props to Horatio. Anyone else want to mention anything?

3:25:55Etienne FontanI miss, go ahead, Johnny.

3:25:57ColinOh, no, go ahead, Jim, please.

3:26:00Etienne FontanWhen I came in, I think I came in on episode 24 and Horatio was, you know, a regular and I, I miss learning from him. I love the way he challenged thought. I love the way that he challenged ideas.

3:26:17Etienne FontanAnd his compassion more than anything. He was always willing to share and always willing to lend a hand. I was always helping someone out. And, you know, that's beautiful. And that's a great spirit to have and one that I hope to leave in my time. And I'm sorry he's gone, but I'm thankful to have known him and to have been a part of him and to be a part of us.

3:26:48ColinJohnny B. Wow. Yeah, I know. I was just talking with Marty and his wife and daughter in between the hash church and she was watching this one. I want to say thank you to everybody here and the kind words and just for all the support and the GoFundMes. And they were really just really the whole family was Just so overwhelmed with all the comments from everybody from the community.

3:27:17ColinSo they just want to say thank you. And of course Horatio was a good friend. He came to my house quite a bit.

3:27:27SpeakerAh, shit.

3:27:43ColinHe helped me out a lot. Like more than anybody. He made creams for my neck. He made certain things for my pain. He really just was an extra way to help people. Like Mike, he created stuff from my freezer from the week when we first started doing those little extractions. And he was always just wanting to help that next person. And like he always said, he was doing it for his family.

3:28:10ColinAnd I was honored to be able to spend a lot of time sitting in my little lab over there with running stuff. And I got to know Rachel very well. So it was really a shock to hear of his passing, his passion for the passion. His passion for the passion. And that's led to his passing.

3:28:39ColinBoy Spirit Runs Strong and everything. And everything that he's done. And just all you guys out there.

3:28:49ColinJust thanks. I was really looking forward to seeing more of his research. And I know some people out there know a lot of that, Mark, and some other people. And I've seen and worked with Horatio quite a bit. So there's some stuff that all the barrels are leaning there and just different things of what he was doing at the end. He took a break and really focused on jewelry.

3:29:09ColinAnd wait till you see the jewelry line come out, guys. His whole basement was full of all jewelry making equipment. And he did some text that, of course, Horatio would do that no one else was done. And I look forward for Marnie to releasing that. So it'll be type of jewelries and stuff like that that they actually put together at the end of the last year. And that's why he wishes to stop talking with everybody because he went deep into his passion was into doing his art and doing all these molds.

3:29:35ColinAnd so you'll see some pictures of that. I'll share it today on Instagram when it's over and stuff like that. I'm going to head over there now and just kind of do some helping out there and stuff. But the family is really grateful and they're really, I mean, Thank you so much for the support and everything that everybody's helped out for the family. So then, you know what?

3:29:54ColinThanks, Rachel, for all you've done. And I know his spirit runs strong.

3:30:12ColinI actually got the freeze dryer and I remember when he brought this over the border and how he got that. So he'll always be here beside me.

3:30:23ColinThanks, guys.

3:30:26BubblemanThanks, Johnny B, for the touch and words. I know that the family appreciates that for sure, as do we. Would anyone else want to mention any words before we shut her down and send a rest in peace to Horatio?

3:30:40SpeakerI didn't know the guy personally, but obviously been following him since day one on Hash Church. But one thing I just want to share what, what I thought was cool about Horatio, not as somebody who didn't know him, is you could tell that that guy, anything he got into, he fully geeked out on, went way for the fence, swung way for the fences all the way out there, every detail like that.

3:31:04SpeakerAnd that to me, that's cool, because that's kind of the way I am when I get into something that's It's just full geek mode. So I can, it inspires me a little bit.

3:31:14Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's absolutely true. You know, and it teaches all of us that, you know, you don't, you don't, you don't let your own limit. You don't limit yourself on your own limitations. You set stretch goals and you hit the nail on the head. He was, he knew a lot more than he actually really understood, if you know what I mean. I mean, he, he just, he knew things instinctively in the lab.

3:31:41Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd when he would call me and we would talk, he would say things and I'm like, oh yeah, there's a reason why that happens. And, you know, I kind of explain it to him, but I think it teaches us all the lesson that, you know, We should achieve, set our goals high. And even if we don't hit that goal, even if we fall just short of that goal, we'll go a lot farther than we probably would have if we never set that goal to begin with.

3:32:08Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I think it's a good model to live your life.

3:32:13Dr Mark ScialdoneTotally.

3:32:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd to have the heart of faith. And to have the heart space while you do it. So, you know, a person like Horatio taught us how to dive deep and to go beyond the realms and then how to have a quality with it and then to how to have the heart space. And that's what I really appreciate about, you know, him and this community and this moment right now is that, you know, this is a It's more than just a business for us.

3:32:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's a connection and it's really important to us. And these are the things that keep us up every day and waking up to go on. So we really love and appreciate you, you all. Big respect to Horatio, Johnny B, everyone here. Thank you on this journey. It's one day, one more day in our evolution. Um, we just appreciate you being out there calling us. If we, if you need anything ever, we'll, we'll call on you.

3:33:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThanks to everyone out in chat and chat land. You're a part of this too. So we're on the screen right now, but you're all a part of it. We're all a part of it. Um, let's go make the world a better place.

3:33:22Collin PalmerWell said Horatio, Mark, you know, Horatio really brought out the creative and the science. And that's what I really gravitated towards. Um, and that's. Something that I really respect in terms of the work that he contributed to everyone and everyone here. And I remember Marcus, you talking about the processes and everything that he was going in on. And to have a mind like that, to your point, Mark, is really special.

3:33:51Collin PalmerSo that's a testament to being far more interested in just processes. It's understanding the plant in a really deep, deep way.

3:34:04SpeakerAbsolutely.

3:34:06BubblemanGo ahead.

3:34:06SpeakerI never met Horatio in person, just on the internet with, on your show a zillion times. But what I can say is he had a deep, deep love for terpenes. And, uh, because of that, I had a lot of respect for him and, uh, yeah, 40 years is not enough, but, uh, What it is is what it is.

3:34:39BubblemanAll right, everyone. Well, thanks for coming out. I really appreciate it. We'll finish it off with a rest in peace to you, Sir Horatio. You were. Brad Griffith, Gone, but you will certainly not be forgotten. So thanks for the time you spent with us here at hash church and thank all of you for all the time you guys have spent here at hash church, both the panelists and all the people watching.

3:35:02BubblemanI think we have about 400 and 12 people in the chat room right now. So yeah, we'll try and do this again real soon. Shout out to everyone on the West Coast who's dealing with these fires. We'll try and get some help out. You know, I know the community is open to arms. Let's hope that the rains come soon that these fires are go down and more people's homes are saved rather than lost.

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3:35:55ColinAwesome, everybody. Peace out.