Hash Church 4.0: Science of Regenerative Cannabis Cultivation

0:00SpeakerCalifornia. California. Okay, yeah, I got them right. Holy shit. You got it, dude. All right, well, give us a little update here, and then I'll let the rest of the crew in. My Instagram posts are annoying just enough that everyone, even the Canadians, can focus on the locations. I always feel bad doing the posting and posting some of the same stuff, but it's amazing how much I learned that I have to repost for everyone to see it, because I'll still get people that, oh, is that happening?

0:28SpeakerI'm like, Man, I've been posting it on that. So anyways, thank you, Marcus, and welcome everybody to Hash Church. It's always a pleasure for me to be on here because I was a big fan in spitting. I think I've watched every episode of 1.0 and many of them multiple times. So yeah, this is Hash Church 4.0, and this is the fourth time we will be in Humboldt doing the Science of Regenerative Cannabis Cultivation Conference.

0:58SpeakerAnd I'm quite honored to be honest. And I'm very excited. You know, the time spent not seeing people during this pandemic has been hard for everyone. And so this for me, this is kind of my first time getting out. And I think it will be for a lot of folks. And so it's just going to come with a lot of excitement, a lot of good feelings. And, you know, Pretty cool deal.

1:25SpeakerAnd so, yeah, we're going to invite some of the other speakers on and we're just going to kind of wrap it up, you know, about what we do, what the show is. Like Marcus said, I put it on. It's kind of an intense show, but also low key in the same way. We don't hype it up. There's not any sponsorships or tables or boozing or things being sold.

1:46SpeakerI'll be at what we, you know, some people might sell some seeds here and there, but it's Thank you so much for joining us.

2:05SpeakerIt kind of the tickets are 450 bucks and I always feel really bad because it's a chunk of money. But in reality, it is such a value and that you are paying for the speakers to be there and to interact with these speakers. And so today you'll get a little taste of some of the quality of folks we have. It's like I said, it's quite humbling for me to get to spend time with each and every one of these folks.

2:27SpeakerI learned so much from them. Kevin Jodry, Chris Trump, Suzanne Wainwright, Dr. Elaine Ingham. Steve Potenponek, Steve Raisner, Eric Branstad from Light Depth Solutions is the greenhouse guru, Dragonfly Earth Medicine. Although they won't be able to join us in this season's tour, they've been a vital part of the deal for the years that we've been doing it and their huge support.

2:54SpeakerYeah. So it's, you know, it's, it's a real heady crew and, and, you know, they, I asked them to spend time there. They don't just come up and do their lecture and bounce out there. They get them to two hotel nights. And so two or three hotel nights, sometimes the whole thing, if they want to stay. And so you'll be able to smoke it up with, With Eric and with Kevin for sure.

3:14SpeakerAnd they'll be around and you can chop it up with these guys and get real connection. And it ends up going beyond that for most folks. You know, there's a lot of folks in our community that I'm in contact with at least that have come to these conferences and made some good connections and started businesses and seed companies. And yeah, so I'm just kind of going on, but it's a, Just kind of try to set the tone and the feel.

3:38SpeakerAnd then when you get to hear these guys speak, a lot of us, there's Season coming on. Season is like the, you know, ground level helper with me. I don't know if it's how, she doesn't have a title. It's just, she helps me put it on in Humboldt. She does all the stuff on the ground. She gets the thing organized, the location and the food. And in the past, she's done all the cooking for 200 people.

4:01SpeakerIt's been crazy. Hi, Season.

4:09SpeakerHow are you? Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now. Let me see if I could get some video going. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on. I see Steve's in here and Steensland's in here and Branstad. I'm so focused on Humboldt that I keep forgetting that Joshua's going to be with us for the rest of the tour. It's going to be cool.

4:36SpeakerSo we're stoked to have you here, bro. Dude, I love, I love what you just said. And it was very reminiscent of hash church where you were kind of like, and I didn't know this about the conference to be, to be honest about how it's not really like, don't come and promote yourself overly come and just promote your knowledge. And I absolutely love that. And I get that, you know, the way the world turns and the way we hustle and we make our money is by promoting ourselves, selling our products and doing all of that.

5:03SpeakerThere really is something to say about maintaining the integrity of the information. I've always felt the same way about Hash Church, you know, to not monetize it, specifically because I felt like it would affect the integrity of the information that we were sharing. And the minute you put that filter of kind of monetization sometimes that people are, you know, I mean, we just did it with Hash Church this last month in Los Angeles.

5:28SpeakerIt was the first one we ever threw where we allowed sponsorships and we kind of We changed it up a little bit, just trying to grow it a little bit. But I got to say, man, I appreciate that about your conference. That is, that's on point. Thanks, man. Yeah, it, you know, it's not that I don't, I'm not trying to make money, you know, but I want to do that in other ways.

5:47SpeakerAnd so like, I feel that I feel that, you know, the speakers can speak for themselves. But I feel like folks have got recognition in this, that is kind of let them make money in their own sideways, you know, and it's, it's, Anything. It's just been a validation of to the community, you know, so I'm really grateful that I can do it and be a part of it.

6:07SpeakerAnd, you know, and actually people buy my seeds because of the exposure. So it's a blessing that way, too, you know.

6:18SpeakerI'm having minor technical difficulties. I see on YouTube, the link is going. It says it's recording. There's 157 people watching, but it's really just me, Joshua, and Potent Ponix on the screen. And I can't see any of the other people. So I'll just be in the background trying to make sure this all works and you guys do your thing. There she is. Hey, Susan.

6:43SpeakerWell, let's introduce who we got here. Eric, are you with us? I see your logo. Yeah. Hey, how's it going? What's up, bro? This is Eric Branstad. Most of you guys know Eric. He's been on Hash Church a bajillion times and travels the world speaking. You're doing so much stuff, man. We haven't even connected for a while. Why don't you just tell us what you've been up to the last two years?

7:10SpeakerIs that weird? Yeah, sure. No, that's cool. Yeah, no, I mean, it's been a whirlwind. I haven't caught up with a lot of people. Everybody's been pretty busy one way or the other. The last, you know, years too, I guess, with the way the world's been going, it's been harder to connect in some cases. But nevertheless... After leaving the greenhouse company three years ago, I started my own company called Greenhouse Advisory Group, and I'd just been consulting.

7:42SpeakerI took a little job with a distribution company right out of the gate doing procurement just to try to kind of keep some things going while I was starting my company. And I did that for like a year and a half running around the hills of Humboldt, actually sleeping in tents and trying to find trend and flower and stuff for the distribution companies. And it was actually super fun, but it was pretty hardcore at the same time.

8:08SpeakerAnd then March of 2020, my consulting company really took off and I've been busy ever since. And it's been cool. You know, I mean, I don't work in California as much anymore. I think because of the market tanking and certain things that people are laying people off more than they're hiring anyone. So I've kind of been fortunate to stay busy in some other states and learning a lot along the way.

8:35SpeakerI got to say that, you know, as much as I'm there to help, I feel like I'm getting to learn so much at the same time that it's pretty rewarding on that part.

8:51SpeakerYou're muted. Are you muted? Oh, I was going to say, maybe on that note, what's maybe an interesting grow or technique that you've come across that you weren't seeing, you know, in Cali?

9:04SpeakerUh, you know, I mean, that's a good question. The techniques are all over the place. You kind of see that even in Cali. I mean, it's hard to go to one farm and them doing exactly the same thing. I mean, everybody does something a little bit different. But what I would say that I'd see difference in other states than I see in Cali is the equipment, like the The bells and whistles or the fancy stuff that people throw at these greenhouses.

9:29SpeakerAnd I think in some cases it's because the price of cannabis is worth more in other states. So the price, the cost of production, I guess, can be more. And so the the willingness to throw more And so it doesn't necessarily, in my opinion, make them run better or better greenhouses in a lot of ways. They can kind of be a little bit more of a headache, but man, I've seen more crazy, fancy equipment and dehumidifiers and certain things that I haven't seen in California before because people decided to go, I guess, crazy in some of these other states.

10:05SpeakerAre you enjoying that? Because like when I first kind of tuned into you, you were the guy who was saying like, no, let's knock some of this equipment out of here and try to use natural airflow and be wise about this, you know, the environment we're in. And I mean, how do you feel about all this? Are you welcoming the technology a little bit? Are you still kind of cutting some of it out?

10:25SpeakerWell, it's one of those things where, you know, when I show up, it's either I try to bring, you know, earn the paycheck or bring the value that I can by trying to make things work rather than, you know, saying none of this is going to work and this is the way I would do things or whatever. I try to incorporate what I like and understand and what I believe works best with whatever system there is.

10:47SpeakerAnd, you know, at the end of the day, sometimes trying to dial in these things and, you know, And work with what they got has been the challenge for me to kind of learn about all these things and then how to make it work right. Because again, I come from the idea of supportive environments. A lot of people have this controlled environment that they still carry around.

11:05SpeakerEverybody wants a controlled environment, a controlled environment. And I still don't see greenhouses as being as controlled of an environment. Aaron Wendel, CEO Alphabet and Google Alphabet and Google

11:38SpeakerIn my mind, the control thing really kind of goes out the window because there's really not any control. It's like getting these systems to do the best they can to reach the closest to the parameters that we want, which isn't really control. It's like hopes and dreams. And like I said, if you don't have the right support system in there, all that control stuff doesn't necessarily work.

11:58SpeakerAnd then dialing it all in to make it work together is another difficult part so for me it's fun i like go wow what is this place gonna have here you know the next greenhouse wow what is this place gonna have here and a lot of times i wonder who signed off on this and how is there no liability for some of these companies i don't know but um it's definitely eye-opening so um All the different growth styles, greenhouse, indoor, you know, growing controlled greenhouse in the winter.

12:30SpeakerWhat are you setting up if you have an unlimited budget for a personal grow? Well, I mean, my personal grow, I mean, I like beds. So, I mean, you know, organic living soil, raised beds is how I still grow my personal. And, you know, if you were going into the commercial space, what I've been learning and working with at scale is some more of the We have a lot of growers that do an organic approach with dosatrons and like three gallon pots.

12:58SpeakerAnd so, you know, at scale, one of the reasons that people kind of start to shy away from the organics is, yeah, one, the cost, but two is the delivery system and the ability to not have clogged emitters and, you know, dosatrons or injectors and things that don't clog up as well. And so it's been a real fine line to find the right You know, products and stuff to work into these systems.

13:24SpeakerAnd so I've seen a lot of good things with a couple of special farmers with, you know, three gallon pots on a really good organic system that I don't see everywhere else. And it's starting to work and I'm starting to notice its scalability and things like that. And so with my travels and all these big farms and all this other stuff, It's surprising. A lot of people strive or wish for organics, but it really comes down to sometimes, A, the cost and B, the deliverability of everything and to make it work right consistently.

13:57SpeakerAnd so some of the farmers that I've seen being able to pull that off lately have been in the game for like 25 years and they've done everything under the sun and they've kind of come to this place. And I'm like all over it going, whoa, what are we doing here? Like, I want to, you know, I want to check this out a little bit because it's really hard to take a salt farm and convert them to beds, but it's easier to take their two or three gallon pots and start to trickle in some type of an organic approach or even trial to have them do so that they can sort it out and see if it's worth, you know, going into.

14:29SpeakerWhat's up, Kev?

14:37SpeakerCool, man. Mr. Steenson, are you with us? I'm just going to kind of introduce everybody and go through it. I sure am. How's it going? Good, man. How you doing? I'm doing good. Are you in the grow room? Pretty good, man. You do look like you're back at home. Back at home, yep. I've been back and forth the East Coast, West Coast every month. I spend about a week over on the East Coast with Ohio Fire Factory, and I've got a new client over there.

15:08SpeakerAnd so I've been on planes lots. You have a client and the Ohio factory. You got two things going. Yeah, yeah. You want to tell us about the Ohio fire factory? Yeah, sure. So a year and a year and a half ago or so, some of my old Marine brothers and I, I'm a Marine Corps veteran, for those of you that didn't know. And we get together every year and have a reunion and just kind of hang out and shoot the shit and catch up.

15:38SpeakerAnd a couple of my brothers had expressed interest. This was right during the 2019 season when I was doing the 100 acre hemp grow and was talking to them about it and was very excited and also had the stuff going on in Suriname. And so they had kind of expressed interest in, you know, doing something together. And, you know, I just kind of, All right. Thank you so much for joining us.

16:35SpeakerKind of being leased to somebody else. And he was like, I'll kick them out and let's do this thing, you know? And so, you know, it slowly became a reality. And we're in the middle of our first cycle of our first phase of a build out. It's eventually going to be about 100 lighter. It's going to be all indoor. And, you know, just cultivating the way I've been cultivating over the years with just very minimal inputs.

17:02Speakerfocusing on Dr. Laningham's kind of soil food web, biologically complete compost as being the main vehicle that kind of drives our fertility. That's kind of what I want to be talking about too. Unfortunately, I really wish I could have made it to the Humboldt. I was just priorly committed that weekend and it was, there was no budge there. So I'm really bummed because I know a lot of my friends and colleagues are going to be at the Humboldt All right.

17:33SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today. We're going to get started in about a minute or so.

18:03SpeakerWhat I've learned over the years, what I picked up from Dr. Elaine's foundation course material, how that changed my perspective in regards to chemistry and fertility, as related to, and how much more important biology is in that scenario than chemistry necessarily. And there's some interesting anecdotal evidence that we had found from our 2019 grow. And we're gonna be pushing forward in this indoor living soil space with a heavy focus on biology being the main driving factor to the plant's fertility.

18:46SpeakerAnd so we're gonna document that with chemistry analysis and plant sap and tissue analysis, as well as the biological monitoring and analysis as well. And just hopefully in a few years, We'll have a lot of really good data to present and to discuss. You know, along the veins, you're doing in cannabis kind of what John Kemp is doing in main ag and big ag. You know, they've got some really interesting data that's repeatable, you know, that points to, say, a soybean field.

19:23SpeakerThey're taking a chemistry analysis of the soil before planting. And let's say there's an arbitrary 100 and Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

19:59SpeakerChris Brown, The NPK and Trace that kind of any crop needs, then we can really start having Chris Brown, discussions about the importance of biology and that interaction with the plant. So that's, that's kind of what I'm Aaron Ward- hoping to have a discussion with folks when we meet up. Chris Brown, I mean every time I pop on your your lives on instagram you're doing some cool experiments I watched compost through the spring and summer last year and.

20:24SpeakerChris Brown, At the Ohio fire factory are you taking the same approach as in like a water kind of only approach where you're compost based no compost teas. Aaron Ward- Well extracts compost extract so we're not going to be the only time. We would do the actual brewed tea would be if we were doing a foliar application. And right now that's just kind of not in our regimen.

20:48SpeakerYou know, like we're really keeping to that very simple, simplistic approach. We do have a very simple kind of IPM regimen, you know, that's kelp and aloe foliar with, you know, enzymatics or really kind of like in the mountain organic stuff, you know, It's a really nice product that's kind of pre-formulated and works for us. But yeah, everything is going to be very much the same kind of water only approach.

21:18SpeakerAny kind of biology addition that's going to happen will happen in between cycles. So once cash crop is in, nothing but water is the ultimate goal. I think in this first cycle, first and second cycle, we are going to be doing some compost extracts. Aaron Wiggins, M.D. : mid cycle just because it's biology isn't at the levels that we would we would necessarily want right off the BAT and so we're just trying to kick start those.

21:43SpeakerAaron Wiggins, M.D. : The biggest problem is is if you're not making your own compost you're pretty much buying a reduced waste compost, which is not going to have a lot of that. Aaron Wiggins, M.D. : A lot of the protozoa and the things that you need to really kind of cycle nutrients and mine those nutrients from your parent material in your soil so. We're implementing our own composting program at Fire Factory.

22:09SpeakerAnd anybody that I talk to or work with, I really kind of encourage encouraging them to, you know, implement these kind of composting programs in place that are really going to afford you the ability to, you know, generate your own biology reserves that you can use on at your facility or your homegrown. Are you doing the composting indoors as well? Um, no, not, not necessarily. I think what we're going to do at fire factories, we're going to just build a little kind of a pole barn type open, open sided pole barn.

22:42SpeakerAnd we're going to do the bulk of our composting in the spring and summer and then store it through the winter. So, so we're just going to kind of do mad dash when it's nice warm and not have to deal with the cold as you, as you can imagine, Ohio is pretty chilly. Um, and I'm, I'm not interested in, in composting indoors necessarily. So. I think we're just going to, we have plenty of space outside of the facility to, there's even like a big concrete slab that we're going to end up using because we're pretty close to a river.

23:12SpeakerAnd I know that the EPA gets a little funny when you start composting your water sources. So we're fortunate we've got the slab to work on and we're just going to kind of leverage that. So you said you're going to build up to 100 lights. What's your first phase right now? What size is it? Right now we're at 28 lights. So 28 lights, 14 beds. And that's the most recent pictures you've seen.

23:38SpeakerIf you've seen on Instagram, that's kind of where we're at. In my typical fashion, we kind of overgrew it a little bit. But I've only been able to be there one week out of the month. And my two partners, Have zero cultivation experience. And when I say zero, I mean fucking zero. One of them's an electrician by trade, owns his own business, contractor. And the other guy runs a very successful kind of finished carpentry business where he goes in and does the finished carpentry for hospitals and VAs.

24:09SpeakerAnd I mean, he's booked out till 2026. The guy's a whiz and really a really great micromanager. So I've really found Over the years to find people in your, what the talents are in the, in your team. And even if they're kind of conflicting with your personality, like I am not a micromanager. I mean, I'm the furthest thing from a micromanager, but you kind of need somebody on the team who has those skills, who has that attention to detail to, to really kind of push the projects through.

24:42SpeakerAnd so he's been a, a huge benefit in that regard. And I've really learned a lot from him. In the little bit of time that we've been working together, you know, in this capacity, and we've known each other for years, but you really don't really know somebody until you move in together or start a business together. You know, it's pretty much the same. Yeah. Well, you guys served together, so you had, you know, that's maybe a little bit more than you would have with a normal friend.

25:10SpeakerYeah, because we can cut through the bullshit. You know, there's always going to be times where there's a potential head-butting situation or you have kind of conflicting ideologies on how to approach things. And the fact that we have this kind of this history together where we can, we're really comfortable like family calling each other out or being like, hey, that's fucking stupid. You know, I don't agree with that or I don't understand.

25:33SpeakerAnd we don't really let feelings get in the way, which helps a lot at kind of keeping things moving forward and not stagnating. Communication in the team or lack thereof is what can make or break a business in most circumstances. Well, fuck yeah, man. Two things to add. Sorry to cut you off there, Josh. Two things to add. We are at our limit for Josh's. We can't have any more in the room.

26:02SpeakerWe're at three now. And then I also wanted to say that someone in the chat while you were talking about micro managers said microbe managers manager and I thought that was funny so yeah that's uh that sounds like a good a good t-shirt in the works that's an Instagram account that someone's making right now yeah Right on, man. Well, I'm going to move on and just kind of keep introducing folks.

26:33SpeakerKevin, Kevin, what's up, man? Good. How you doing? Most folks know you. You've been on here maybe once or twice before. I don't know. No, no, I'm a virgin. A virgin. Yeah. First time on the show. It's a cool show, dude. Marcus has been doing this for I don't know how many years. Oh, no, no, I'm familiar. I'm familiar with it. No, it's legendary. It's my first time on the platform.

26:58SpeakerWell, welcome. I'm sure everyone's excited to see you. You know, you kind of don't need a lot of introduction. Most folks know you, and I appreciate knowing you. And I appreciate everything you've done to promote and be a part of this conference and support it. You know, what have you been up to last couple of years? Do you want to share with folks real briefly what you're up to?

27:18SpeakerWell, yeah, you know, I've been doing a lot of different work. It's funny to me, like on the Regen group, I'm the least qualified to be on the panel. But when it's when it comes time to hustle and move my feet, that's something I can do well. And What I've been working on is really global work. I mean, I'm in, I'm in, I think five different countries right now.

27:40SpeakerSo I have operations in five countries that I'm owner of. So I went global in cannabis because California cannabis is such a fucking disaster that I didn't want to die in it mentally. You, you, you can't struggle indefinitely. And I'm someone who likes struggle, but you can't struggle indefinitely without diminishing your energy. And you end up getting bitter and burned out. And so what I did is I started just trying to understand better, like, how do I keep myself mentally fresh?

28:14SpeakerAnd it's it's really allowing yourself to go and work all over the planet where there's things that are possible. And so I've been I've been hella excited about that because it's awesome to work globally. And what I worked on locally, you know, like in Humboldt was we we worked really on trying to drive attention to the Appalachian program and regenerative type agriculture. And so I came up with a concept that I was able to work with Cookies on where I said, hey, we should cover Humboldt Appalachians.

28:47SpeakerWe should bring in this information. I wrote the press. We laid out the piece and we just broke, we'll break 5 million views this week. So 5 million views on a 30 minute video is not bad. So what I know is my marketing is on point. And that's what I've been working on is really trying to drive awareness and attention to the people who do the work because that's not where they shine.

29:13SpeakerThey shine in what they do, which is regenerative ag, which is really extremely time and labor intensive. So it doesn't allow you the opportunity to do all the other stuff. And we worked on the development of the Ganji-A. So the Ganji-A I came up with like eight years ago. I sold it to Greenflower and it's been an incredible program. And it's the same situation. It's how do you drive attention to craft producers?

29:39SpeakerAnd it's not even just craft producers. It's all producers because I don't have a beef with big operations. It's just what it is. You if you don't like big operations, tell me you fucking walk to work every day and I'll listen to you. But if you jump in a car, then I don't want to hear your shit. So it's really about trying to do the best job you can and to bring attention to cannabis and cultivation in general.

30:06SpeakerIt's not just for little, it's for all. Because what happens is when you start to polarize the conversation, especially in the United States, anytime you point at someone being not good or you're complaining, Americans look at it like you're a loser. And so what happens is it's the opposite effect. The more you cry about getting the shit kicked out of you, the more people believe you get the shit kicked out of you.

30:32SpeakerAnd so for me, I don't play that game. You never fucking see me cry a set of goddamn tears since you've known me. Because I know where I'm from. I know that no one gives a shit. What we have to do is highlight the positive. And what you have to do is get people enthused and caught up In what we do, which is really the beauty of agricultural appreciation at any level.

30:57SpeakerAnd so that's what I've been really working on. I mean, I work on business development around the world. But in my area, it's strictly been to drive attention to the craft situation by using Humboldt. So we brought all the ganja into Humboldt County. So Humboldt is where all the education happens, which is a fucking inconvenience for everyone, really, because it's, you know, it's up the hill. But what it does, it allows the students to come in and lets me introduce them to craft cultivators in the area, lets them tour craft farms.

31:29SpeakerAnd the impact has been excellent on a lot of these farmers because we've been able to highlight their product. And all of a sudden, when all your product sells out, you're kind of enthused about the program. And so what you have is buy-in when there's results. And that's really all I care about. I mean, fuck, I'm 55 years old. I've been in the game my whole life.

31:50SpeakerWhat I want to see is positive stuff come forward or otherwise what we end up having is just a decimation of agricultural appreciation by virtue of the fact that you can't get any type of traction in sales. And so when it comes right down to it, man, it's really, can you sell the flower you make and how do you get people to be aware of it? And how do you drive that information?

32:16SpeakerAnd that's really what I've been doing. I mean, I get so much shit going on. You know me, I'm fucking never stopped moving. But that's, that's what I'm trying to do. Can you explain the Gangier program a little bit more because I think it's, I didn't understand at first and you know, now what I now understand, I think it's really cool and it has the potential to really help us all move our product, you know, and in the way that you guys are developing the students to come out and do the grading system and kind of, We're going to talk a little bit about how we create a scale.

32:46SpeakerCan you explain that a little bit? Yeah, the basis of the gangia was really common language. And so the problem is we all use different terminology. It's like the biblical babble where everyone's talking a different language and no one has any ability to make any type of progress. And so with the Gangier, it was really trying to determine how does one teach people how to evaluate cannabis?

33:13SpeakerAnd then how do you give them some historical background on cannabis so they can understand really where we came from? We're really stealing everything we know from the past, right? And so how do you take some of that information and bring it into the current? And then how do you teach people how to look at cannabis and give them an evaluation process that is pretty fucking thorough?

33:37SpeakerAnd so the beauty of the Gangier was that it wasn't one person. I think there was like 18 of us that got together. And I want to say we spent almost like 7,000 man hours combined over a two-year period to create it. The arguments... The wars over what we were looking at and what's graded and what's noted and what's important and what's the weight. It was hysterical because all of us were Korea.

34:02SpeakerSo we're blasting on each other constantly to determine what's really something that we can agree on that we believe is valid. And what it did is it gave us a really, really thorough evaluation process, which allows you to be able to compare apples to apples. And my goal was two. It was to identify the best, which I always know comes out of craft, and to identify the value, which comes out of commercial.

34:30SpeakerBecause the commercial operation should be able to sell at a cheaper price point. And those two are the only two points I really care about. What's the best quality flower? And what's the stuff that's affordable for people who don't have the budget? So the masses need to know where the value is. And those that want to experience really premium cannabis need to know how do you how do you come to that conclusion.

34:53SpeakerAnd so it's been a fantastic experience because The industry is in such disarray, but the students have such hope for their future that it's infectious. And so when you get to be an instructor to help people work on their goals of moving into this new industry, not so much from the old industry, but the new industry, and they're trying to bring It's such a heartfelt drive. Oh, fuck, it couldn't be a better time.

35:30SpeakerAnd the diversity of it's incredible. And the part that I'll be honest, the part I like most is that we have probably right now with Ganjie graduates, I bet there's almost $2.8 billion in flowers sold. Under Gangea graduate lead buyers. So some of the largest MSOs in the country are graduates of the program. And what that means is that those people who graduated that program are now pretty fucking aware of what good quality is.

35:58SpeakerAnd when you're controlling $2.8 billion in total sales in the United States, because I added it all up myself. I just said, like, all you people are these heads of these massive companies. And what it does, it allows them to be able to start bringing forth We're able to bring in smaller cultivators, smaller producers and highlight them because they know that is the upper shelf. They learned it at the meeting.

36:24SpeakerWhat we're able to do is we're able to bring these people into the building, but we're able to bring in, because it's local, I can bring in local farmers. So season needs to get your ass over there. We're going to get you in the room, season. I'd love to have you come by and meet the students. It'd be awesome. Because that's what I do is I just bring locals in that can speak to them.

36:41SpeakerAnd then we bring in all kinds of weird herb that no one's ever consumed, shit that's not on the market, stuff that we like to fuck around with. And so it lets people really get to experience the fringes of cannabis in a way they normally don't. And it allows them to see the bigger picture. And they also get to get the emotional connection to the cultivators because they get to meet them.

37:04SpeakerThey get to travel to the farms and it starts to personalize that sale. And so to me, you know, the Gangier isn't, it's about cannabis evaluation and appreciation. But for me, it's always about move that fucking weed. Because if you're not moving it, we're all going broke. And I used to get, these people used to bust my balls where they would talk about, I'm on the Regen Conference, but they would say that I should be doing my own Genitriff Conference.

37:33SpeakerBecause it's what I focus on so much. But I'm like, listen, you want to work, you know, doing what you do, you do what you do. But in cannabis, we need to have intelligent marketing and we need to have a higher level understanding of what makes quality. And that has to be able to be easily explained And driven forward in a way that doesn't go, they're bad, we're good.

38:00SpeakerIt's not about you or I, it's about the product. The product has to stand on its own. And we know that it can, it just needs to be highlighted. And I think the Gangier is doing an excellent job with it. And I think that the quality of the student that came through the program, I was, you know how it is, you're going to deal with a couple hundred people in your educational program.

38:19SpeakerThere's going to be a couple of fucking wingnuts. They were without question some of the nicest people I've met in fucking years. It couldn't have been nicer people who were so about the new world of cannabis. And so, you know, that's the kind of stuff that really just, it gets me, gets me moving because We need all the pieces together. You need to have the development of the land.

38:47SpeakerYou need to have the development of your genes. You need to have the development of yourself. And then that has to be showcased and marketed correctly. And most people don't have the ability to market. They really don't. You're spending too much time doing your craft. And so what do you do? And I think that, you know, with the, with the Gangier, when we brought them all in, you got to see the diversity of who they were, where it was people in every facet of the industry.

39:15SpeakerAnd their desire was to build a new industry that they could be part of, because most of them were definitely younger than me. So it's a great program and the feedback's been excellent and the ramifications for cultivators that got highlighted, it moved their product. And so that's where you start to see the changes when I, because what happens is they all fly into San Francisco and then I tell them where to go up and down the state to buy products.

39:44SpeakerSo when they're coming up the hill, I say, look, these are all the dispensaries that sell craft. Here are some farms that have released some really killer products. I have no money in it. I mean, it's not like I'm trying to sell my shit. I'm just pointing out people who have really good product and where you can access it. And what it did was it emptied out their shit.

40:04SpeakerAnd all of a sudden when all your gear is being emptied out of the dispensaries because you have hundreds of people highlighting your product and posting it and talking about it and consuming it, it allows there to be that spotlight that we need. And it has to be the product that does the talking. It's the product that people have the relationship with ultimately. And so when people get to consume, A product from a regen farm, or I would just call it biologically driven.

40:35SpeakerThere's a magic to it. And the Gangier students allow that to be seen. So I love it. I really do, man. I love the students. It's similar to like, you know, how I got to know you and got to work with all these breeders that, you know, we're bringing in on Sunday when you originally did the breeder program out of the Wonderland Nursery years ago and you documented it with Shango and They put those videos up.

41:04SpeakerAll those guys went on and have sold tons of seeds. And I'm sure they were selling lots before, but that was really set a platform for everybody. And like you say, put a spotlight where we can, I could see that, you know, different people were doing different things and I could align with them, you know, for what my needs type thing. And that's kind of what you're, one thing that I see you bring big time to the table in this conference is A, getting the genetics out there, but B, bringing breeders that are getting Thank you so much for joining us.

41:55SpeakerAnd when the industry was changing, I realized that maybe 2% of them were going to move forward because they didn't have industrial assets, which is what you need to have a license to do nursery work to sell into the system. And so I realized that all these people that I worked with were going to get nuked right out of existence. And so what I did is I started doing publicity work for the breeders because I wanted other people to be able to see them on a platform And hopefully be able to work with them in some combined projects where you could bring them in, they could do work.

42:31SpeakerI didn't want to see them get knocked out of existence because they didn't have what I had, which was infrastructure.

42:40SpeakerIt was, and I paid for all that shit. Like all those fucking things, all that stuff was out of the pocket. There was no, it wasn't like I'm charging the breeder to be on stage. I paid for all of it as a thank you for all the work we got to do all the years together. And so I still do it now. If you're solid, I'll support you.

43:02SpeakerBecause what I know is that all of us as a group make, We're a healthy cannabis community. And I'm just grateful that I got to spend, you know, shit, since I was 12, I've been in herbs. So I'm 55. So 43 years of my life I spent here. And if I could be positive in that role, then I'm grateful. That's a full life. So it's the same with what we do here.

43:28SpeakerIt's all, it's really about, we used to be able to just grow and move herb, but the game changed. And if you're not really, really clear about what you're doing, you're going to get killed. And what I'm seeing is, is a decimation for the small farmer. And it's, it's,

43:48SpeakerWe have such a massive collection of small farmers and so every single person I know is basically on their hands and knees getting kicked in the fucking face. It's, it's, it's not, it doesn't have to continue like this. It just, what we have to do is we have to work in a way where we drive attention to the product, drive attention to the people and create an attraction to the public that makes them want to play with you.

44:11SpeakerYou have to make it fun. It's the Tom Sawyer shit where I'm painting fences and I'm getting people to paint the fucking things with me, not for me. But with me and that that's what gets people involved. People want to be part of things. They want to be involved in our lifestyle. It's just a matter of how do you expose them to it and how do you how do you frame it?

44:35SpeakerAnd so I just I just like I found out over the years that I'm good at marketing. And so what I'm trying to do is use the skills that I have to drive attention. And I just got lucky that I was really creative years ago and came up with a lot of different things that we're able to use today as those tools, those vehicles. And it's just, it's an odd position because it's not one that I ever intended to be in.

45:03SpeakerIt's just where it kind of evolved because it's the only place that I think that I can make real progress for my community. Well, we fucking appreciate you, Kev. Big, big thanks, dude. I want to kind of introduce some of these other guys. I see Nicholas. I didn't expect, man. We got a brief window in internet, the wall open. So you're on mute, man. Yeah, I can't hear you, but welcome, dude.

45:35SpeakerHow you doing? You're still on mute.

45:44SpeakerMaybe that maybe the window didn't work. Maybe I cursed the window. Well, we'll see if you can come back on. Hey, Chris, how you doing? Are you are you here with us? I am here with you. Good. Good to be here. I'm doing well. Yeah. Chris is the token natural farmer of the group. And that weird dumb joke, sorry.

46:18SpeakerYou've been with us pretty much every one of these things, except for maybe the first one. Were you at the first one? Yeah, I think I came into the second one. The second one. Yeah, out there in Redway. So it's super, super exciting that you're honestly still back with us. You have been in a lot of transition in the last couple of years in your life, and you want to just kind of share what you've been up to?

46:39SpeakerYeah. Yeah, you know, I've mainly been working with farmers and food across a bunch of different industries and some in landscaping and golf, turf management, a big old farm in Iowa doing corn, soy, alfalfa, wine grapes in Napa. And really for me, What I feel like is a service, I think, to kind of the mission is just finding the parameters of what makes financial sense for farmers in natural farming.

47:24SpeakerWe know the tech works, but where are those edges and those places where farmers making a living because this is streamlined in their operation. And so farming that, finding that and You know, a thousand acres of corn and soy and alfalfa has been a interesting journey and 700 acres of wine grapes. You know, it's not just because natural farming is super cool doesn't mean that those industries already know how to plug it into a massive operation.

48:01SpeakerAnd so kind of with my background, I felt like that's been kind of the best use of moving this ball forward use of my time. And so it's been a lot of fun and a lot of challenges. But some really cool success. I hope to interview some of those farmers in the next several months and get that online so we can talk about a lot of those things and just continue to get better at basically returning to tech we used to use a few generations ago.

48:36SpeakerAnd yeah, and then I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was just I was curious. I've seen a lot of Instagram photos of big IMO piles, and I was curious if you have a tally, maybe how many pounds you've done in a year or, you know, like some sort of because they're pretty, pretty big ones. It's been fun to watch. Yeah. Truthfully, like before anybody was hashtagging KNF is when I was probably making the most IMOs out in Hawaii, making it for our farm.

49:11SpeakerAnd we were making 90,000 pound piles with the right equipment. But yeah, no, it's been, I think last year I made three, I made, Yeah, four big old piles. And one of them was 40,000 pounds. One was 20,000 pounds. And I think one ended up at 80,000 pounds. So whatever that adds up to, 1,500 pounds, 1,550,000 pounds of IMO by Skid Steer. It was good fun. And it's worked really well for the farmers has been the Aaron Ward- kind of the main thing right now i'm in Colorado I think i'm going to.

50:03SpeakerAaron Ward- kind of put my head down we've we played with that project with the with the brinker hops out here, and I feel like what's needed. All of that is a little bit of finding those parameters. What works? Here's what we're doing. Here's what didn't work. And here's what's been played with and here's what's working well. And just really talking about that super publicly and letting it be a group discussion is I think maybe the best service for the industry.

50:37SpeakerAnd like Kevin said, what is it that puts the spotlight to the product Um, move, uh, move the flower. And, uh, I think that's something, uh, I'm looking forward to learning about this year and, uh, Kevin appreciate the candid way in which you talk about all things cannabis industry. Um, and, um, yeah. And wondering what kind of ganges we have out here in Colorado, you know, who's, who's looking for the craft cannabis.

51:09SpeakerUm, but yeah, I've, um, it was, it was a lot of, um, A lot of moving parts last year as far as working with a bunch of different industries. And it was a lot of work, a lot of fun. And this year I'm hoping not to run around quite as much. But yeah, I still want to kind of move the ball forward. And I've learned a ton more than I knew a year ago in natural farming.

51:42SpeakerI feel like that's kind of the point is that as a international community, we grow in being able to apply, you know, this really basic technology. You know, people get into natural farming and they want to get their microscope and it's super cool and wonderful. And I applaud it. And at the same time, like this technology is about using like the the really inexpensive and simple things to All of those people make the food world and medicine world go round.

52:16SpeakerSo kind of just honing that in personally and hopefully for the community.

52:24SpeakerAwesome. I was going to ask about liquid IMO. That's kind of the focus of what you're going to talk about. You want to drop any? Yeah. It's been fun. Actually, Steve and I have been playing with some of the parameters of producing kind of indigenous fungal predators for for carapace insects. And that's been really fun to watch develop. And so That can be applied in a liquid form.

53:09SpeakerThat's how I discovered it back when it kind of got on the radar for me. But talking about how versatile that is anywhere you are in the world is definitely something we'll do this year. Getting into how do you cultivate fungi that will chew on all your beetle pests and your various...

53:35SpeakerBrian, Chris Bennett. Brian, Chris Bennett. Brian, Chris Bennett. Brian, Chris Bennett.

54:02SpeakerAaron Ward, Nature's Tech, which has been, that's been a blast, because I think that with that, with kind of an SOP with that for the world, I think we're going to have a pretty effective Aaron Ward, pest management, we call it IPMO, integrated pest management organizms, and we're You know, I think that's something that could be further developed, but also I think is really ready for any, you know, hobby farmer to apply a great effect.

54:40SpeakerAnd so that's fun to talk about. Also just using the technology and resources available to feed plants based on your growing style. Not everybody's producing really amazing living soil. Some people, that's a struggle. It's winter, they got no time to cultivate their soil and they're just trying to go in with whatever raw materials they can bring together and they need to feed their plants. And so natural farming has tools for that, but it's not all kind of laid out in some ready You know, SOP for any different scenario, especially in cannabis, with the need to properly feed.

55:29SpeakerSo I think talking about how, what ways you can add to the, which is brew, so to speak, to make it more ready for your product, I think is something we'll get into, kind of the versatility or the adaptability of it. Here's the base model and what do you need for your farm, so. That'll be fun to get into. And just, you know, generally, the technology isn't about chasing NPK.

56:00SpeakerBut at the same time, some people want to use it to just push their, their nudes through the system. And it's like, you can do that. Yes, that's not what this is all about. But it can be done. And there's a right way and a wrong way to do. There's a way that can create some more pest problems. If you get an imbalance, then there's ways that you can keep a balanced system.

56:22SpeakerRight. If you're doing like, you know, tissue sap, tissue sap, again, you're doing sap analysis, you know, then you can make a correction, you know, really quickly with a foliar feed or even a micro soil feed, you know, type thing. Totally.

56:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo super cool.

56:40SpeakerWell, I think we might, I want to keep going down and get everyone in. Do we have you, Nicholas? I think we got you, bro. Can you hear me? We can hear you. Welcome. All right. I'm terrible at this stuff. I'm good. I'm down at our original farm. Turned out I was down here today, so I wanted to chime in. But yeah, I'm excited for the conference and I'm looking forward to sharing perspectives.

57:10SpeakerWhat have you been up to the last two years? I know you've been putting some seeds out in the market I've seen. I'm sure you're putting cannabis still into the Oregon market and what's going on. You guys had a baby. That's been probably a big, huge transition. Yep, yep. Congratulations. Thank you. It's been...

57:31SpeakerI've been learning a lot. Let's just say that. And in terms of the cannabis, yeah, we've just been fording ahead with the rec market and trying to hang on to this crazy ride. It's a real challenge. It's definitely a challenge. And there's all this balance between like passion and then feeling like you're starting to get robbed of your passion by just grinding away to try and stay in it.

58:04SpeakerAll right, so we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to go ahead and get started.

58:27SpeakerBut my background really like, you know, when I when I stop and reflect on everything right now, because it's such a crazy time. And, you know, there's a My background has really been about being in the wilderness and exploring wild places and understanding the earth and its ecosystems. I dedicated years to sea travel by kayak and lake travel by canoe and foot travel through deserts and canyons and living really simply.

59:01SpeakerYou know, and and that's really the the the grounding component that connected me to cannabis because I was I was high as you could be in all those places when I wasn't with students. But You know, having that ability to then explore cannabis and all that it's given to me and all of my connections to those places like has just driven me further down the path. Exploring the commercial side has been a little bit like it's been a kind of a bummer to be realiztic.

59:33SpeakerYou know, it makes me wonder sometimes if I was maybe You know, just got into something that is just like I'm not commercially driven. Like my passion isn't about production and per square foot. And, you know, what I really want to share is is passion for the earth and and And changing systems and not trying to figure out how to squeeze some process into a commercial thing, but rather changing systems from the ground up and understanding where true health lies.

1:00:07SpeakerAnd so the last couple of years has been quite Thank you all so much for joining us today.

1:00:26SpeakerSo asking ourselves, how do we want to relate to the environment and in going forward in something such as a commercial business, which I think kind of, you know, has its more downsides than upsides, especially if you're coming from a simple existence is is. You know, exploring that relationship and then really, you know, remembering the important things that got us to the places that we are, at least for myself, which is nature and the way the cosmic forces display themselves on Earth and how we receive that energy.

1:01:06SpeakerAnd how to work with those energies and exploring the idea that energy is actually a free resource that we have to we have to be able to interpret it well. And when we think we got to take it, transform it into something stored in a box and put it into a bunch of metal and then shoot it back out into the world, to me just seems a little bit like, you know, at this point, I don't know if that's the right choice.

1:01:30SpeakerI don't know if we need to keep it. Brad Baird, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO, CTO,

1:01:48SpeakerAll of that kind of bullshit stuff going on in the government and all that. And just, it's just, it's, you know, I'm not sitting on any real clear direction except for reconnecting to the natural processes to better understand how we can create something with less energy, at least through the perverted system of And, you know, I'm always like, you know, the more things I package and sell to the market, the more dependent I am on a manufacturing plant to make bags and stickers and, you know, Aaron Ward, You know, and it's hard to it's hard to see myself wanting to keep doing more than that.

1:02:33SpeakerAaron Ward, So, or more of that, so you know I don't know really what it means, I just want to share perspective and and and try to try to get to the heart and soul of what it means to be working in relationship in a healthy way with. Aaron Weissman, Chief Executive Officer, Center for Sustainability and Sustainability and Sustainability. Aaron Weissman, Chief Executive Officer, Center for Sustainability and Sustainability.

1:03:05SpeakerYou know, I don't want to play God. I want to play participant in a much bigger thing than I can imagine. I don't want to pretend I'm a creator of genetics. I want to understand that we are just shepherds of this. And, and, and we, none of us created any of these genetics. You know, these genetics are just us working with nature in a way that helps change things in, in some way.

1:03:29SpeakerBut so yeah, you know, I'm kind of at loss for words. I've had a lot of loss. I've had a lot of gain. It's a journey. You know, we both have that back that our bound background. We both worked for our bound and kind of shared the similar experience. And it was my experience in nature that really changed me and enlightened me that I wanted to farm.

1:03:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd when I, you know, when I actually got injured, that was like, all right, this is where I'm moving.

1:03:59SpeakerChris Brown, Into and I just reflecting back on that that time you know the the we would always we meet these stupid crackers called Vicki's and i'm sure you guys had them down in the south and there's these highly. Chris Brown, caloric crackers that we eat with every meal, because you know we could just pack them in. Chris Brown, And so we tell the story to that to the students like on the first day and it was about the concept of leave no trace and you, you know.

1:04:22SpeakerDid you guys do the same thing when the cookie crumbs or the cracker comes would come down? You talk about the impacts and the environment of dropping micro Did you guys talk about? We talked about micro trash and we talked about leaving the trash stuff, but I don't recall the same crackers and stuff. I was up in Minnesota most of the time. Okay, we would use the story of when the kids would eat the crackers and the crumbs would fall to the ground and the kid would just dust off these cracker crumbs all over and we're like, hey, think about this.

1:04:52SpeakerWhat's going to happen to the, it was just like a teaching moment. What do you think happens to those cracker crumbs? A mouse will probably eat it, you know? And they're like, all right, cool. Well, what happens when mice have more energy, you know? And like someone like, well, they probably fuck and they probably have some more mice. Like, cool, yeah, yeah. And we just kind of follow that out until we get to this like thing like, whoa, my little micro litter here, it really does cause an impact.

1:05:20SpeakerAnd it really just kind of sets the tone for, would set the tone for how we were to be respectfully moving through this Thank you for joining us.

1:05:38SpeakerYeah, I think that, you know, a lot of the reasons I kind of left that space was I felt like there was a big disconnection between food and and I thought it was always really weird to be traveling around. You know, when you talk about that, I think about like, oh, the the mouse probably is going to get cancer now because of the glyphosate, you know, and so like, well, it's probably not going to do a whole lot more reproduction.

1:06:01SpeakerIt might actually render itself infertile. However, I saw there was a big disconnect, and I think my work has everything to do with integration. So I want to get back out into the wilderness, but I don't want to carry bags of crap. I don't want to carry glyphosate-drenched cookies and biscuit mix and junk. I want to understand the environment and the ecosystem, and I want to go to these places.

1:06:30SpeakerI want to integrate camping or gardening and And I guess it would be more of like, you know, I'm not 100% set that we need to be farmers and production oriented. I think there's an integration piece we all need to understand that in life, you get stuck doing one thing for too long. I'm like, I always think it's important that everybody knows how to grow food. That doesn't mean everybody has to farm.

1:07:00SpeakerThat means maybe for 10 years in your life, you dedicate yourself to taking care of the community by growing food. And then that service pays you back later because now your kids are doing it. And then you get to eat that food from the people who are farming. But I don't wish upon anybody a lifetime full of farming in this modern day because you see it, especially from a commercial perspective, is that you just end up down a rabbit hole or You know, like what we got going on in Oregon is you got a bunch of hidden, you got companies that are buying licenses and getting bigger.

1:07:34SpeakerThey're not letting you know who's all who, but they're all connected. They're creating really easy for the dispensary one-stop shop. Like they pull up, they've changed some of the laws around manifest and making it easier for the big, Guy to come in with everything that one dispensary could need the intake manager then buys everything they need in that one time and now they no longer have a budget for anybody else but it was so much easier with this guy that showed up and he would take all the product back that didn't sell and he would you know provide you new options and then so it's like competing with that and and being involved in the market helps you realize wow from a Aaron Wiggins, A passionate, without something like what Kevin was talking about with is like somebody spearheading an ability to kind of corral some really quality farmers in to a space that just is like, hey, man, just do what you do and create what you create.

1:08:32SpeakerAnd we got a place for you. You know, to play every component, to be the marketer, to be the, you know, all this stuff that goes on in the chain to get it to the end point, even though we have some advantages here in Oregon, we're still just being eaten up because we got other people who are so competitive from a capitalist standpoint. That they're just making it easier and easier and easier.

1:08:55SpeakerAnd then you got the little people who are like, well, I actually need to make more than, you know, $400 on a pound. So how's this going to function when they're offering $200 pounds at, at endless amounts at any testing result that you could, you could, you could imagine. So, you know, there's, I'm not here to speak about how great the market is, but none of us really are.

1:09:22SpeakerWe're all here to talk about our passion. And I think, you know, the only reason that our farm still exists has everything to do with our ability to produce without stuff. So it's like, You know, you can measure how regenerative you are by how many products you buy. And the least amount that you buy as a product from a store to make your operation exist kind of defines how regenerative you might be.

1:09:50SpeakerAnd so if you're not buying any products to grow your cannabis, I would say you're doing a really good job. I don't care if you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:10:24SpeakerAaron Wiggins, It doesn't really get us where we want to get to, which is essentially, you know, I don't want to, I'm not trying to like get crazy rich. I want to own land one day. You know, I'm the owner of our farm. However, it's not like that doesn't come with a whole slew of debt. So, you know, I'm thankful I have access to land. I'm thankful and grateful for having the experience of holding a license, of working with genetics, and being able to do the things that I need to do in that way.

1:11:03SpeakerBut I don't know if any farming pursuit is the one. If you don't already own land, I don't know if you're going to buy your land off of your farming. So because one, to scale up, the infrastructure costs so much. So I've thought about vertical integration and taking on another half a million in debt and had opportunities. But it's like I don't see myself as I go further down this route ending up in Las Vegas and rubbing elbows with a bunch of people in hot tubs to sell some weed.

1:11:40SpeakerIt's like it's not my gig.

1:11:44SpeakerI use this time as a way to bank a whole lot of value in seeds. And so I'm just banking value of what I believe has value, which is something that feeds the future Which is seeds beyond anything else. The thing that holds the most value is our seed banks. It always has been and always will be, at least to anybody who cultivates. Now, there's hunter gatherers that do an amazing job, hardly with having to do.

1:12:15SpeakerSo that's the thing, that integration piece. We have to like see and understand how to grow things, but we also have to see and understand the landscape. So we don't have to create a separate place for production, but rather we integrate Thank you so much for joining us today. We're going to talk a little bit about how we can connect our production into an ecosystem so that we're working with the powers and the forces that are way stronger than we are.

1:12:37SpeakerAnd that is, again, the cosmos. The reason we are holding some kind of orbit around a sun is certainly what keeps us capable of breathing and living.

1:12:57SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

1:13:07SpeakerAaron Weissman, Chief Financial Officer, The New York Times, The New York Times, The New York Times, The New York Times, The New York Times, The New York Times,

1:13:30SpeakerAaron Wiggins, Aaron Wiggins, I don't know what the answers are. I know that feels good to watch a sunset still. And I want to always honor that space. I want to be able to go outside and watch the birds with a little boy who's blown away by them so I can remember the awe of the cosmos and how it is incredible that we are here breathing and living.

1:13:49SpeakerAnd I don't want to live in fear of Thank you for joining us.

1:14:12SpeakerAppreciate you, dude. And I appreciate, I'm glad you're coming down to Humboldt. I'm excited for that. I look forward to seeing people, you know, it's been, it's been a while. I went to the Emerald Cup and what a blast. I mean, it was just not necessarily like a blast of pure joy and fun, but like a blast of reality now post when I was doing it before.

1:14:32SpeakerSo, right. I just like hanging out with people sometimes, you know, it's not all the time, but I do enjoy getting together with people and sharing perspectives. So, 100%. Well, thanks for popping on. I want to introduce Season, the woman behind the Humboldt Conference. Like I said earlier, she used to do all the cooking for like two meals a day for three days for 200 people. You're amazing, Season.

1:15:05SpeakerAnd you also run a farm and you have a cooperative that you're working on and you do a bunch of community work in Humboldt. And I'm really impressed with all that you do and the service that you do to your local and broader community. Yeah, it's been pretty cool to, you know, have a front seat to watch all this develop and hearing Kevin speak about the Gangier program, you know, I've been able to host a lot of those students here on the farm through my camping and hip camp and hearing Nick say like, you know, having the integration, I really feel lucky to just be able to serve this community with a really tiny, tiny farm.

1:15:47SpeakerYou know, I scaled down when all this happened and I got way, way, way, way, way smaller sold off a farm. And I feel like, you know, I'm just really lucky to be able to participate in this level and be on Ask Church with you guys. And, you know, it is a great, great, great experience and a great honor to be able to share my garden with so many people.

1:16:11SpeakerYeah. You know this right now I'm just going through building a bathroom with the trellis program funds and I've gotten equity grants and I you know for me I feel really supported by the planning department. I feel supported by the county and it's like that's way different than what most people are thinking and I just have to be really really grateful. To be able to, as myself, you know, just one person on this farm, I have 3,000 square feet.

1:16:41SpeakerAnd, you know, Nick was saying, you can measure your regenerative by the products you buy. And it's like, I rarely buy anything. So I feel pretty good about that. No, a hundred percent. You have a beautiful, beautiful garden. And, and it's cool that the way you work through and turn your shop into like, you're turning it into a community space. And she's right across the, you know, two minute drive from the Richardson Grove RV park, where we have the conference right by one log and, you know, really close to Benbow and, and, and, you know, kind of where like, like Kev was saying, where he does the Ganja, but You're going to be able to do, the goal is to do courses like little classes, mini classes and education.

1:17:20SpeakerAnd then you can also use that facility for What else? I think farmers to do processing a little bit. It's a model that's not really accessible right now. And it's nice to hear that the economic development department really likes the model, but really the way that space is licensed, it's hard to get other people to come in and use it unless we have this cooperative model. And it's just a lot of tiny, tiny, tiny steps.

1:17:47SpeakerFor me to build this bathroom, I have to get my old septic Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:18:19SpeakerTaking the baby steps and not expecting too much to happen at once and just be grateful for the opportunity and the space that I've created and the interest that there is. You know, I wish more farmers had the community or the consumer outreach that I have because for me, I see that there are people valuing craft and they don't know how to identify it. And just having a place where they feel comfortable with the vernacular and the language and No, and I can promote other brands.

1:18:48SpeakerYou know, there's not very many farms that are out there promoting multiple other brands, you know, on a weekly basis. And so I feel really lucky to just have, you know, that personal interaction and a place where people can have access to the plant in such a natural way. It is more of a garden and less of a production zone. And I think that's really different on what they see when they go on a cannabis tour.

1:19:12SpeakerI mean, I just feel lucky to be able to Thank you so much for joining us.

1:19:34SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:20:03SpeakerHow are you guys doing?

1:20:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFeeling super good. Thank you. Big love to everyone. Huge respect.

1:20:13SpeakerYeah. Everyone knows you guys. You guys are hash church regulars. And you've been on the tour with the Regen Tour. And unfortunately, maybe things change, but We're going to miss you guys this year, just the way the laws are laying down and the government shit. And I'm really sad about that. But you guys have been up to a lot of cool stuff on your farm during this.

1:20:40SpeakerI've been watching your Instagram and I actually am so in awe of your guys' building. I don't know who's the main builder or if it's all you guys that built together. But yeah, that's what I thought. Your guys' buildings are so beautiful. Like I said to a couple of people, I'm like, I got to get Josh to come do a building course. You know, and I would just love to learn how to do that, man.

1:21:03SpeakerIt's and you've been building a lot, too. So that's what I wanted to lead into. Yeah, we're already.

1:21:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh, well, you know what? Amazing. And one of the things that we've All right. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're going to start with Kelly. Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today. We're going to start with Kelly. Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today.

1:21:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd but, you know, the building is part of what's really amazing on our farm. And we, you know, natural building and building from local materials and not even got going out to get commercial style wood, you know, and figuring out how to gather it out of the lake or after a big storm or instead of clearing roads, you know, hey, there's a nice building log and keeping it on the side or, you You know, just never burning branches and figuring out how to incorporate them in the soil or make beds, you know, or or divert the groundwater in the winter during a big rainstorm or how to use that material as fungal filters to filter the earth so that our our farm is a positive impact on the farm.

1:22:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut I think some of the most powerful work that we've been doing in the last two years There's a lot of the work that Kelly's been doing.

1:22:40SpeakerI think that a lot of the work that's been going on has been what Josh has been doing. So first of all, I just wanted to say that we're really stoked about the regenerative conference because what we do is we support We support regenerative lifestyle. We support regenerative small farmers. The whole idea of Dempure, everything that we want to continue doing is supporting small farmers. And that means actually supporting sovereignty of small farmers.

1:23:10SpeakerWe can't just put out this idea that, oh, let's have them be called a small farmer, but let's them have access to all of the licensing that all of the big corporate entities, all of the same fees, all of the same fines. That doesn't make any sense at all. So what we've been working on is sovereignty for small farmers, sovereignty For our own human microbiome. The reason why we're not coming down for the regenerative conference is we've never aligned with any federal government and we're not going to start now.

1:23:43SpeakerSo just laying that out, like everything that's going on is just not where we want to be aligned at all. We have the ability to come down, but we just don't want to partake in that. And that is also representative of our life and where we're going, not just representative of this pandemic and whatever bullshit is happening there, but representative of us becoming more and more sovereign And really educating that out there and how is it that we can truly change the laws so these big corporate entities and these big political structures basically lay the fuck off of the small farmer.

1:24:23SpeakerWhy is it that we can't grow many multiple crops? The reason why is because we have to spend all of our money and all of our financing and all of our land and all of everything on cannabis. I mean, all of us in the regenerative farming module and everybody in Dempure grows a tremendous amount of food and flowers and they use their land for all different types of education components.

1:24:47SpeakerTourism. Tourism, I mean, we could go on and on. So we really need to be talking about what is the next level. Cannabis has got us to this point, but cannabis has always opened up doors. And right now, cannabis is opening up a door of a myriad of plant medicine, a myriad of vegetable growing, everything that Nick was saying. Nick, by the way, love you. I mean, everything about you and Liz and who you are as family, as friends.

1:25:17SpeakerYou know, the support we love and cherish, Daniel, everything that you all have been going through. I mean, it's just just seeing here and listening to you talk makes my heart expand. Thank you. And all of you all, seeing all of you all after all of this time makes me realize what it is that we're doing and why it is that we're so passionate about the work that we're doing.

1:25:44SpeakerEvery single day, we wake up every single day and we're thinking about the small farmer and the sovereignty of the small farmer. And we're going to be really blessed this summer to have... Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:26:17SpeakerAnd that is the next step in cannabis cultivation is the sovereignty of the small farmers. So we have the ability to grow a myriad of all of those plant medicines because plant medicine is the next step to us being able to be sovereign for us to be able to have an independence.

1:26:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd cannabis came from a place of herbalism and a place of the medicine man or the wise woman. And we want to keep cannabis sacred and keep regenerative lifestyles alive, which the teachings are in the wilderness. The teachings are in nature. The teachings are within regenerative family. And so like the plants that we ingest, we want to become adaptable. So in this time, it's difficult. We've laid out some of the things that are hard, but like the microbiome eats pathogens, we need to eat oppression and turn it into opportunity.

1:27:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo through our adaptogenic ability and our ability to connect like mycelium underground with these intelligent beings, we're going to, we'll always be here. We are going to always be here because we're strong, we're powerful, we matter, and we have an alignment with nature. And if we're going to talk about water, water pulses through our body at the highest percentage of anything in our body. Water covers the earth.

1:27:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWater surrounds the earth. We may live in an amniotic fluid. The earth is probably covered in amniotic fluid, and that's what the northern lights shine on and glisten on. And they show us the colors of the infinite. They show us that we live in a multidimensional space.

1:28:07SpeakerBecause of water.

1:28:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. And water is the essence of life. So when we ally with helping water transform nutrients, we become smarter. When we drink water that's dumbed down with toxicity, then it tells other water in our body to not be smart and not regenerate. We want our water to regenerate. Masimoto, the scientist, shows how water changes through thoughts and through harmony and through well-being. So we're forming our land and texturing our land Soil Grown, Storm, Storm Grown, Storm Grown, Storm Grown, Storm Grown, Storm Grown,

1:29:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLike a sponge to grow fungi, water is our ultimate ally, our ultimate wellness. And when we eat it, we become more intelligent. When it breathes with the plants, we become more intelligent. And water is something we all need to really look into on how we can have a healthy source. When you look for a piece of property, try and find good water. Number one, without good water, it's hard to be healthy.

1:29:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's hard to be healthy. So luckily our regenerative lifestyle, we paid off our land. We have the ability to ally with nature. We have the ability to live on the edge of wilderness and create our own world. And if we're going to create our own world, it's going to be super magical.

1:30:04SpeakerAnd also just speaking about secondary metabolites, I just wanted to say that so much of us have been growing and this regenerative conference is going to be the first time that a lot of people are coming out. I know that the Emerald Cup was as well. And, you know, as we've been uptaking all of this energy of what's been going on in the last two years, It forms secondary metabolites on how we integrate that knowledge and that nutrition or that toxicity that we've been uptaking.

1:30:38SpeakerAnd I really want to encourage people that that uptake that we've all gotten, that the secondary metabolites that we're forming, which is going to be our communication and coming together and communing Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

1:31:22SpeakerAll of this is that small farmers and regenerative people and educators need to come together because this is bigger than us. This is bigger than diversity. It's bigger than hip hop.

1:31:43SpeakerIt's way bigger than hip hop and hip hop is big. It's even bigger than cannabis because this is going to define small farmers into the next generation.

1:31:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we have to respect the poly culture, you know, and the poly culture comes in the entourage effect of our of our medicine and the entourage effect of us coming together. We are the entourage.

1:32:08SpeakerAnd we didn't pay off our land with just one single source of things. We have scrapped. We have sold tomatoes. We have sold strawberries. We've sold plants. We've done festivals. We've done everything. We've trimmed for other people, for seasons. We've done everything that we possibly could. So that's part of the polyculture is what Nick said. Don't get caught up into believing that you're just one thing because polyculture is going to give us a well-rounded version of our best selves.

1:32:45SpeakerThat, you know, stay on there. I wanted to ask you, I mean, paying off your farm, that has just, that's my big dream is I just feel that's when my first step of real freedom is going to happen, you know, getting the property and getting on and getting use of it and having the contract and the bank loan, that was a big one. But As I started developing, it's been like, this ain't my thing.

1:33:04SpeakerSomeone can take it away from me, really. And especially now that I grow cannabis, like they could literally take my loan. But I'm just curious about when that, not necessarily when, but when that happened, how that felt and like how, you know, how that transformed. I don't know.

1:33:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, originally we left, you know, our area as underground family. You know, we were, you know, refugees. And so for years we were just, you know, living at the herbalist, you know, the nature life. And then we figured out, Hey, we can, we can transform this and, and, and, and bring this, you know, and, and get a piece of land.

1:33:45SpeakerWell, I just wanted to answer your question is that we just paid it off last month. Stephanie Pinder- It was the very last payment we just made our last payment January 1 2022 that's how we came into this new year we're now in our 50s, this was a you know, a long journey. Stephanie Pinder- You know, and like josh said we've been caretaking other land renting places.

1:34:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've been on this land for 15 years now.

1:34:12SpeakerAnd it's been a 15 years and it's been, you know, everything. We do have a feeling of freedom. We do have a feeling of, you know, more than anything, because we've always been outlaws and because the way that we look at the world, I have this feeling of Don't fuck with us. I know that that sort of is silly, but like given the world, it's just like now I don't have to talk to anyone.

1:34:40SpeakerI don't have to, you know, it's just it's just now us. And that feels really good.

1:34:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, it's it's empowering because, you know, how we got how we got here. So now we're here, you know, and we have this land and we have all this infrastructure. So for the last two years, you know, you say you've been on lockdown, but I And there's so many places we can't go, you know, we're stuck. And so we're here making our land spectacular. It's kind of a perfect situation.

1:35:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we've made, we've turned this into a spectacular opportunity to, for so many years, no one knew what we were doing. And then we came out and started teaching. Now we're just back into our internal, just do your craft. Like, what have you learned? Who cares? Whatever anyone thinks about it. Do your craft. And that's the teaching.

1:35:31SpeakerAnd did we celebrate? No, we've been too busy working. So is the work done because we paid off our land? Absolutely not. It's just totally begun because today is a new day.

1:35:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the thing is, in Canada, you know, the family farm has never really been represented in cannabis. To be honest, it's been a very corporate thing here in Canada. And so we In this zone and other places in Canada, we never really got to represent ourselves, you know, in the way that people in Oregon, California, other places have. So we've had to stick with that compassionate medicine style, you know, that get the medicine to the masses style.

1:36:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's timeless. And nature farming got us here. Like Nick says, it's what you don't spend that makes you money. And it's allying with nature and nature farming. And it's that whole realization of, wow, I don't need to spend thousands of dollars to farm every year. I can just do it in the fall and let nature take care of it over the winter. And wow, it's amazing.

1:36:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, you know, we give thanks for every person here because they've all been part of our journey. Eric, Greenhouse, amazing person, your wife, your whole family, incredible. You know, Kevin Jodry, thank you for everything that you've done and you're an inspiration to us. Like, give thanks, Kevin Jodry. And Susan, the work that you've done with tourism is very inspirational to us here in Canada because we in the Kootenays would like to see a style like that.

1:37:02SpeakerAnd you just as a badass lady, you know how I feel about you. I love you to the world and back because of everything that you've been pushing forward for this plant and the community.

1:37:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSteve with, you know, with aquaponics and everything beyond just incredible. She's got tricks up as Steve because he's Steve Tricks Raisin. You know what I mean? And we really appreciate his ability to, you know, to think and.

1:37:23SpeakerAnd everybody that, Joshua, you've chosen to come on and be a part of this is just really bringing it forward. And we really appreciate that.

1:37:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBest Friend Farms out in Maine. We already know how you feel about you. Marcus, most amazing person in the world, holding space as always, and always putting your best foot forward for regenerative agriculture and natural medicine living soils. Thank you.

1:37:46SpeakerThank you guys so much. We're doing a long intro, but it's really cool. And so I want to move on to Stevie Tricks next, Potent Ponics. We talk actually often, so this is a leading question, if you will. What have you been up to for the last two years? Since I got back from Africa, I caught one of the last planes out of Southern Africa in the middle of the plague, which was fun.

1:38:13SpeakerIt was mostly me and embassy workers. And then came back, and I'm just working here in Oklahoma with a bunch of different people on both living soil and aquaponics farms. For my talk, we're going to be talking a lot about living aquatic soil and how it can complement your terrestrial soils, so how to take different types of aquatic inputs, aquatic IMO, So if you're doing regenerative soil and you already got your stuff down, this is just going to help you increase your biodiversity even more.

1:38:43SpeakerWe also have some different side by sides and some comparisons between terpenes and some other things with one of the groups I've been talking to and working with a little bit up in Canada. So we'll have some hard data on those types of things with compost. So this is compost with and without the aquatic input. So, you know, very similar to what people are doing to kind of give people more of an idea of Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:39:08SpeakerWe're going to be talking about a new initiative that I've been helping try to put together called Open Nutrient Project, which is kind of an open source aggregated methodology for having all of the information for different plant inputs in one place so that people can know for organic inputs what plants in their yard they can ferment or compost or make into teas or whatever their methodology that they prefer is.

1:39:32SpeakerAaron Wiggins, CFO Alphabet and Google Docs, Microsoft Office Word Document MSWordDocs.org

1:39:51SpeakerSo that's some of the other stuff. And then talking about a little bit about some of the more advanced KNF stuff, Chris was touching a little bit about the IPMO, which is utilizing some local pest control agents. We had a lot of success with that in Zimbabwe, and we're excited to talk about that and share that methodology with people, as well as just some of the other different things I've been working on in terms of refinement.

1:40:14SpeakerOn some of the other things, we're going to go over the blue labs, which is the phycocyanin isolates and some of the other really cool organic inputs that we've been tinkering with that are kind of building upon a lot of the great work that a lot of the previous people in the organic space have helped us give us a wonderful foundation on kind of and then iterating upon that and adding a whole bunch of new twists and turns to that methodology.

1:40:37SpeakerSo I'm super excited about that and super excited to share a lot of this stuff for the first time with people.

1:40:44SpeakerHe just fucking like, boom, half of those things I kind of understand. And Steve goes deep. He's really deep into all this stuff. And it's something that you're a very unique individual in how you deep dive. And I appreciate it. And he's had a great talk. Steve has been at every one of these. You were in Africa and you missed- All of them except for the ones in Africa, yeah.

1:41:09SpeakerYeah. And, um, you know, it's, it's a pleasure to have you a pleasure to be your friend. And, um, I really appreciate that the deep dive you take, like I said, I'm just going to repeat myself, um, into all this stuff and I'm excited to hear your, your iterations on that. I know we've spent a lot of time talking about terrestrial and aquatic microbes and you've helped me figure out my system and dial it in and, and kind of build, build upon it.

1:41:32SpeakerAnd so it's, it's been really, really awesome, man. So. I want to introduce our best friend, Farms. I think we've spoken, or at least I've seen you on Hash Church before. Maybe not officially we've met, but what's up, bro? How you doing? How you doing?

1:41:47Bryan Best Friend FarmsNice to meet you. Nice to meet. I think I've seen you there once or twice, too.

1:41:52SpeakerDo you want to just introduce yourself and what you got going on? You're in Maine, yeah? Oh, yeah.

1:41:58Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I'm up in Maine. It's pretty cold here right now. I've got a, well, I have A larger acreage farm, but I've got about 10 acres working. It was a clear cut when we came in and have actually the water conversation is pretty cool because Maine has such good, such volume of water and really good water. And it's something that on this land was like one of the key factors, as Josh and Kelly were saying with You know, with or as far as how important it is to the land and the whole conversation you guys are having around water.

1:42:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo water was kind of a central focus here where we have a good well and it goes deep. But I've also dug a couple of ponds, which I don't know not to go on but if it's on the water topic it's we've actually drawn some of the water away from the cannabis site where we are because Maine has so much ambient water that I've drained off of the medical cannabis portion which is about a 10,000 to 15,000 square foot portion all in all for the area and on each north and south I've pulled off the water kind of swaled in and drained off coming into it so yeah I've just wanted to But, you know, you know, we're taking water importantly and trying to work with it here where we actually have so much of it and are blessed by so much water that I'm trying to kind of You know, collect it and drain off, but anyhow, hey.

1:43:30SpeakerThat's the same thing I'm doing, man. I'm in a really wet space. There's a, I have 10 acres and at least two of those is wetland, delineated wetlands, but where my cannabis facility is not, but it's still very wet and I've had to make, I've had to actually had to make roads so that I can get through and with my tractor that I purchased and just equipment so we can process because it's like, Even the areas where I have to walk towards my shipping container, it's all mud.

1:43:58SpeakerI can't even wear clogs or anything. I've really learned about that. I've actually dug a couple ponds and I've built a filtration system where I'm filtering the water and collecting it off all my greenhouse spaces and my house and every roof and everything drains all into this pond system that I'm now kind of... My property is a hill, it's sloped, so I'm going to continue these ponds uphill and I'll just kind of slowly trickle it through them all so they're all moving and I'm shooting for I think 500 some thousand gallons of water storage that will get me through the four months of, you know, just kind of this big dream if I maxed it all out and blew it all to hell wherever, you know, and I just kind of want to have this like super powerful water system that I can, you know, rely on.

1:44:47Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I love the water. You got your dream for your water system. That was definitely, I was, the last five years before I moved back here now for five, I was off the grid up in, well, in Southern Humboldt, and we were just pulling gravity-fed water there the whole time, so... Kind of got familiar with water from the hills without a system and then moved back to Maine.

1:45:12Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt was like this huge blessing besides the peace and the freedom out here. It's pretty isolated, but the water blessing is just just, you know, water everywhere. So it became Kind of one of those things like move from back, you know, back from west to east again that we're trying to, you know, work with the water and build the water dream here too. I got this little, you know, kind of dream going where I could actually pasture pump out with a solar, you know, inversion into even a little bank.

1:45:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd then I've got enough drop of like 20 or 30 feet with this rock staircase waterfall. I already got that part in. Where we're piped in and I'd like to feed turbine energy, even be able to kind of get enough drop where maybe I could, you know, run small turbines and talk to someone who knows more, maybe yourself. Who knows if I could, you know, get some leads on people that know what they're doing for more, you know, some of the off-grid stuff, even though we're on here.

1:46:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I'd like to aerate the pond, you know, get some brook trout in there with some, we just put shiners in, actually in the big back pond. So trying to set the bait. You know, to get the ecosystem in the pond, too, not just for use for agriculture, but where we have like a habitat and ecosystem, even some food that could come out of it. So I was actually kind of wondering if anyone.

1:46:33SpeakerOh, no, go ahead. I was just going to ask. I just heard that you were recently Dempier certified. So I was just going to ask about that process and, you know, who came out and, yeah, you know, share about it.

1:46:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell I mean I've been talking to Josh and Kelly for geez over a couple years and then this pandemic thing kind of happened so um I haven't got to show them the land which would be probably you know what I would love to do the most is be able to show those folks you know what we got going here and get some feedback and such but um I've worked with Ancient Green Farm out here quite a bit and they've Both been out here, Bobby, you know, a lot.

1:47:11Bryan Best Friend FarmsI've seen him even in the last month or so. So we've been over the last few years. He became pretty familiar with my farm. And then we talked about it there a lot too. And again, the last couple of years were so fast that I just recently right into the winter, even as we kind of like shut down the outdoor portion, but those friends blessed me with a certification and I'm stoked to be part of it at just such a, You know, such a collective to look up to and with the movement really regenerative, but to make the earth a better place with better medicine and all the things you guys are hitting on and talking about is just like how we're living.

1:47:51Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd, you know, in Maine, definitely trying to, trying to, you know, stick to that regenerative focus here too. And anyway, I could trail off, but yeah.

1:48:03SpeakerI remember now, when you were on Hash Church at one point, you were showing pictures of donuts, right? Was that you that was making the hash donuts?

1:48:13Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I did some hash donuts, man. I actually donated those for our veterans. A VA is where the charity went to. We donated them for a raffle. So those are the originals that were actually sent out recently.

1:48:28SpeakerAre you pushing the hash out in the market there in...

1:48:32Bryan Best Friend FarmsMain. Well, it's kind of funny you say that, man. Just today, I came on a little late because I'm meeting for the first time the Helio friends here and the Hidden Forest guys. We're just kind of like doing a seed meeting today anyway. And This brother's here right now. You know, he's we're talking the same type of shop that's going on here. So I'm doing some hash, but it's more traditional.

1:48:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I know these guys are into the full melt stuff. And, you know, I have some rosins and such, too, but more traditional artisan kind of air dried hash thing we're doing, you know, for the market in terms of the market.

1:49:13SpeakerWell, I don't really know where to go from here. Josh, you look like you might want to pop in. I just we can open it up the discussion. I just wanted to introduce everybody. And, you know, this this kind of thing was was is somewhat intended to be a little bit of a marketing for the conference. And I don't mind doing it because I do feel that it is kind of a nonprofit thing that they were.

1:49:34SpeakerThe content is so good and I'm not doing it to make a buck. And so I kind of really just appreciate, you know, Marcus giving the space and And I just, I will also kind of feel guilty when I'm marketing. Like I, I just so against it, but I, you know, this, I'm kind of justified. So anyways, I want a bunch of people to come to these conferences and these, these speakers are all fucking awesome, man.

1:49:56SpeakerAnd I just, I want to showcase that. And because the thing really has been, you know, a powerful part of my life. And I'm, I'm quite honored to, to take part in the thing and I'm glad we're still doing it. And I'm, I'm really excited for this year. So I don't know this. I just wanted to open it up. I wanted to say you forgot the seed swap on Sunday.

1:50:14SpeakerEveryone brings their seeds to share as well. If you have not had the pleasure of going to the region conference, you get, you know, everyone is sharing all kinds of amazing genetics, not only cannabis, but vegetables. I know there was a guy that gave me some pre-Civil War era, like okra seeds that are super amazing that I've been keeping going and breeding out as well. And whole bunch of other just amazing vegetable and herbal genetics that people are willing to share.

1:50:40SpeakerSo definitely bring seeds to share if you are coming out. And, you know, you'll get a whole bunch of wonderful ones in return. Just remember like a Ziplocs and Sharpies because there never seems to be enough of those. Don't write Sharpies on a Ziploc. You end up getting home and going, what the fuck, Kush? I have boxes and boxes of seeds that I don't know what they are.

1:51:04SpeakerI shit you not. I've started my seed company off of the gifts during these seed swaps. It's absolutely amazing. I've got to look through a ton of stuff, but I do have a ton of stuff that I'm like, damn. Maybe someday I'll open it, but if I don't know, I don't know. It's just kind of one of those things. So I suggest writing on a card inside a Ziploc or, you know, just kind of think through how that works.

1:51:27SpeakerBut in that same notion, like I kind of came up with a concept talking with Kev one day. He had gifted me some Chemdog Special Reserve root beer seeds or root beer Chemdog Special Reserve seeds. And I opened them up and found a couple killer females that were just, they held through to, I think, the first or second week of November here. And we had a gnarly wet year, a gnarly, gnarly wet year, rained all, it was cold.

1:51:55SpeakerAnd they hung through with, you know, no mold issues. And they kind of represented the two ends of the spectrum, one the chem dog, one the root beer. And so I pulled a couple males and I'm open pollinating those right now. And I Aaron Ward, Family Farms, Family Farms, Family Farms,

1:52:29SpeakerI'm working on organizing. Honestly, I've been very busy. I thought I'd have it organized by now. But I want to get each of those regions into a social media area where we can do group voting. We'll grow all the seeds out. People will test. They'll make cash. They'll do all the things that we do. And around this time next year, we'll get together on social media and kind of work through and say, OK, in the Humboldt region, Kevin pulled a couple couple killer males and they got this and that and we all of a sudden want to use his males and Eric found a cool female and so hey you two guys do this project and maybe you know maybe Nicholas will actually do the breeding and you know and then we can even take that further and structure it I want to incorporate technology in the blockchain so that we can incorporate a payment structure so that people that do the work can get paid as we end up selling these seeds.

1:53:17SpeakerAnd everyone that took part in the conference will also potentially get dividend back down the line. So I kind of broke it out in a very simple sales plan. Aaron Ward, CEO Alphabet and Google, Microsoft Office Word Document MSWordDoc Word.Document.8

1:53:45SpeakerIf you guys don't know, Root Beer is from Mean Gene from Mendocino. And the Chemdog Special Reserve is from a aficionado that Leo had. And so Leo gifted the pollen to Gene. And Gene made these seeds and gifted them to Kev. And he held on to them for a while. And the Chemdog, you know, Kev, you could probably talk about the Chemdog a little bit more than I could, to be honest.

1:54:08SpeakerYeah, the seeds are probably, I don't know, eight years old. So it was back when they all rolled together as a crew and they gave me the stock and I just put it away. And then years later, when root beer gets blistering hot, I went through my collections. I remembered I had something connected to it. And we just thought, you know, you and I, Josh and I were talking about, you know, how do we add value to the region?

1:54:31SpeakerAnd how do you connect people into a collaborative project that allows many people to work together to find common benefit? And so when you tap into lines that have heavy traction, it's a lot easier. And the main point is that you get to have people work together, sifting stock, doing collaborative breeding. And that root beer is the first gen root beer. It's not the subsequent generations. That's the original one.

1:55:00SpeakerSo there's nobody with that plant in seed form. I mean, it's that old. Yeah, everything that's been released root beer is a cross, a BX2, a BX3. This is the original one. That's the original one. So it's and so and Gene knows too. So like for me, you know, when I grab your jeans, if you want me to put them in the market, I do. And if you don't, I don't.

1:55:21SpeakerIt's just it's just really respect to the individual. So, I mean, I move jeans continuously, but I don't step on anybody's toes. And so with Gene, you know, he's about it because it's a good project. And that Chemdog Special was a project they did up in Mendocino. And it was a star dog. I want to say star dog like Chem D. And it's controversial in all its little permutations and how it all happened.

1:55:50SpeakerBut the main point is that Chemdog Special line was some really good herb. And I had the female that won that 2012 cup in hand. And Ellie and Leo had the male. And then they took the pollen and threw it on it. And the problem with the Chemdog Special is it's so dominant in its profile that it masks a lot of the stuff you hit it with.

1:56:14SpeakerSo you have to be able to make sure you do a large enough population hunt to get what you want, which is that Thank you so much for joining us.

1:56:46SpeakerYeah, when there was total vanilla soda. And that was really interesting. Yeah, to me, it's the same thing. It's just trying to you got to tie the people together in a way to where you really you form community. Community is a fucking great word. But what does it mean? It means collaborative effort. And support. And that's what a community is. It's where people put effort in and support each other and do your best you can to be a human race.

1:57:11SpeakerAnd so the idea of like letting the Regen Conference be a place where people can get together to do projects that transcend time. So in two years, you'll see the ramifications of that project. And then I did another one, too, where I was able to access a bunch of stock out of Afghanistan. And I talked to the group in Afghanistan and said, hey, what I want to do is I want to take it.

1:57:36SpeakerI'll do a selection. I'll do a pollination. And then I want to give the seeds out for free in limited quantities so that people can access the stock. And what it does, it drives attention to farmers in Afghanistan. And it's funny, but I got hit up by an Afghani guy that was telling me I was a fucking like a colonialist and I was screwing the Afghanis by giving these seeds away.

1:57:59SpeakerAnd I'm like, but it was Afghanis that sent me the seed and it was Afghanis that told me to give them away. But it's a question of how do you send value back to the farmers because they're in the same situation we're in. And so we're trying to figure out, you know, how do you really drive attention to people who are struggling and allow there to be benefit in a world that's really difficult to do?

1:58:22SpeakerBut at least what we'll do is we'll take these Zani Afghani lines and I'll give packs of them out at the four different shows. And it just lets people access stock. It's like 200 bucks a pack if you bought them. But I'm going to give out, you know, like 20 packs at each event. And what it'll do is it'll allow people to get Really good stock that you can access and it should allow people to do two things.

1:58:45SpeakerIt should allow you to do preservation where you keep the line pure so that what you have is you have the connection to the past and then outcross it, which is what I've been playing around with in addition to bring some of those unique profiles and cannabinoid ratios into modern cultivars so that you get rid of some of this blandness that's happening in the quality of the high.

1:59:07SpeakerWe're driving cannabis for morphological traits. We drive it for numerical traits. We drive it for a lot of shit, but I really don't care about any of that. I mean, I do for the market, but in terms of what I want for cannabis, what I want is I want really good cannabis that lifts me up. I want to feel it. And I think that the ability for all of us to work together in this form is just awesome.

1:59:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI just wanted to say really quick that one of the most potent strains we grew this year was a Tangiland Chem Special Reserve No. 4. And the Chem Special Reserve No. 4, not sure where it came from, but it was out of... Well, it came from me. Was it?

1:59:53SpeakerYeah, that's the male I put in, yeah.

1:59:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe number four. And it's true that every, we grew a bunch of different chem special reserve number four because we had, there was a person in Eugene up in Oregon who grew it and made some seeds out of it. And it does dominate the profile, but the way Tangie dominates the profile, it was this amazing union and it had like dark blue, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:00:46SpeakerThanks for that number four, Kevin, really is beautiful. It's got the resistance in it too. You know, I had, so right, right next to it, I had the mean mug, which is a GMO root beer BX, crossroot beer BX2, and they, they couldn't make it. They couldn't handle it. They, you know, they, they grew well, they looked good, but when the, when the pressure came, they, they folded at the end, you know, they do, do good in the greenhouse, but it just, just kind of was very clear to see what the, what the Chemdog was throwing in there, you know, in that instance.

2:01:19SpeakerYeah, it's a great, it's a good line. You know, when it first popped out, we dug through it and we just, at that time, you know, we would just release some material into the system so people had access. And I started releasing mails into the system that I had used that really threw some interesting traits. And I would just, I was releasing it all over the place and it was free.

2:01:40SpeakerI wasn't selling the work. It was just really so that people had access to some stuff that they gave them some value. And so it's just funny because all the years down the road, you still see all this stuff popping out. But, you know, that's the whole point. And I think that's why I love being, you know, to be invited to be part of the regenerative crew is that it's just really a healthy human group.

2:02:04SpeakerAnd it's just really refreshing because it It lets you feel like you're alive. Everything else is just basically you just keep your head down and move your feet. But when you get to do work with other people in a genuine way, it's enriching.

2:02:24SpeakerI wanted to ask you, Kev, did you ever find any perennial genetics in the Zamal? I know you've grown quite a bit of it or worked with people that have worked with quite a bit of it. You know, I started to tap into it, but then I ran out of space. And so I never got to dive deep into the Zamaul populations. And I ran Zamaul hybrids, but they had been hybridized down to where they had a reasonable finish time.

2:02:49SpeakerBut I've never got a chance to run the two-year cut, you know, where it's going to grow for a year, then flower the next year, almost like a biennial. And I haven't. And it's just really a matter of you only have so much space and time to chase all your shit. And I end up chasing so much shit that I end up cutting most of my personal life right out of my life.

2:03:15SpeakerAnd I have kids. And so I try to make sure that my kids get priority. And then everything else comes after that. And so you can only take on so much at a time, you know what I mean? But I'm fascinated with the Zamaal work. I always wanted to go to the Reunion Islands and that's something I've always wanted to do. There's a few places on earth I wanted to go experience the native culture and the cannabis that comes from it.

2:03:42SpeakerDid you mess around with anything like that? I got some of the seeds from out there. We didn't find any there, but there is, I still have 12 seeds left sitting in Zimbabwe, which is very close in latitude, which I thought if I'm going to have that expression, that's where I'm going to have it. So we are going to, once we get fired back up again, we're going to pop those.

2:04:02SpeakerWe just, we're working on CBD early on, but everything's still kind of on pause due to the virus and basically the inability to export stuff through South Africa right now and for the last year and a half, basically.

2:04:16SpeakerThis is great. I really appreciate being on here with everybody here. I respect everybody that's here and really appreciate everybody's work. I like hearing about people talking about the terpenes and the meshing them together. You know, I've done a lot of Aaron Ward, Holding lines in in inbreeding those lines and taking them to further F generations till they're pretty predictable, at least for the traits that i'm choosing for but then watching.

2:04:47SpeakerAaron Ward, As those come as you as you develop that and then you cross them back against something that's really different, and this comes back to what josh you're talking about. Josh and Kelly, Dragonfly. Just getting two that blend really well. To me, it seems like if you've got one poly hybrid and you've got one inbred line and you cross them, you get a dominated thing. But if you've got two really solid, predictable, at least in one Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:05:41SpeakerAaron Wiggins, Ph.D.: numbers, which you know, this is the kind of stuff that i've just been kind of you know one season at a time just looking at and and. Aaron Wiggins, Ph.D.: i'm stoked that other people are as interested in that stuff and and looking at it, because I think when we all come together and start to share these genetics, we really can further the potential of of really.

2:06:03SpeakerAaron Wiggins, New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans,

2:06:23SpeakerI don't know how to write, say goodbye and stuff, but just wanted to say that it was a pleasure being here. I'd love to be in a room with you all. It would make a little more sense to me. But thanks. And it's good seeing some faces that I haven't seen in a while. I look forward to the conference. Cheers, homie. I look forward to seeing you.

2:06:45SpeakerThanks for coming on.

2:06:50SpeakerEric, Eric, what's going on with you and genetics? You got anything that you're, you're excited about these days? I know you're a big hash head.

2:07:01SpeakerMan, I'm excited about all kinds of things. I mean, I feel like whenever I run into someone, there's something exciting going on. And, you know, for right now, a genetic acquisition is really a hot topic. I feel like for small farms and big farms, just because things get watered down pretty easy out there in the market. And Not all cuts are the same. I mean, there's, you know, you know, people are talking about this stuff on LinkedIn and social other social media platforms on the fact that, you know, a lot of the genetics out there Um are really hyped up by the name but you know the selection process from nursery to nursery or farm to farm is quite different and so some of these things get turned into memes when in fact they are you know uh quite fascinating when you have the right cut and so I think it's really going to be up to farms and And people in general to really get this selection process figured out because you can have a hype name and be a complete winner in some cases.

2:08:03SpeakerBut at the same time, you can have some of these great names and it's a complete shitter at the end of the day. And some of the shitters of what's gotten propelled in California through a lot of these nurseries just by maybe it's just been by accident. Maybe it looked like a winner at first, but it didn't turn out to stay that way or something. I don't know.

2:08:23SpeakerBut And because of the hop late and viroid, the nursery side of the things are really getting difficult too. I mean, You know, people are turning the seeds more. And so that's why I say the selection process is really, you know, the next key, you know, strategy and learning how to do that properly from farm to farm. I'm sure the interpretation is different from person to person, place to place, but sourcing the right seeds, picking the right winter out of those and trying to circumnavigate some of this nursery stuff while this, you know, hop situation gets the Uh, dealt with, I mean, tissue culture is definitely an option too, as long as the SOPs are followed, but, um, I just see it's kind of a difficult time right now for certain farms to navigate things when, when, uh, you know, we we've got, you know, brands to kind of fulfill or names to fill.

2:09:16SpeakerAnd then we also are trying to get healthy plants passed around and it even makes it hard to pass things around. Like we used to, people are more reluctant to pass around to cut me more than they are sharing some seeds.

2:09:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, and it's, I just lost my train of thought, damn stoner. Is there an OG cut, still an original OG cut rolling around Grass Valley Zone? Because I know that you're a huge lover of the original OG.

2:09:49SpeakerYeah, dude, it's so fucking hard to find anymore. Like it used to be just, you know, everything was OG gas. And it's like, man, and I buddy, there's a couple of people around here that have the original one. And I talked to somebody the other day just about getting a sack to smoke. I don't, you know, I'm not worried about exactly getting the cut and growing it myself anymore just because of where I'm at these days and my traveling and ability to, you know, Aaron Wade, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

2:10:37SpeakerAt a farm that's, you know, trying to deal with genetics. And there's a lot of bushy plants and things that are called OG and Kush and stuff like that. But they really just in the in as far as looking at a plant as a teen even don't have the characteristics That the real OG had. And then all of a sudden when you do see it, it's like, wow, it's almost like something you hadn't seen in a long time.

2:10:59SpeakerStretches really far, not a lot of sites, just, you know, starts to want to lean over. It's almost like a plant that you see in the wintertime that doesn't get enough light. They just elongate and stretch, but You know, under the right conditions with the right light, everything's doing fine. But you look over and see those OGs just stretched out like that. And you go, wow, that's something I haven't seen in a long time.

2:11:21SpeakerAnd it's no wonder in some cases that it's not in production as much. It just is, you know, some of those original ones aren't the biggest producers in this day and age. And especially the price of cannabis and Cali, you got to get the most bang for your buck.

2:11:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's interesting that the Sour Diesel mother clone is still really kind of, you can find it, you know, and it's interesting how that one stayed pretty steady. It's just like, bam, we got the Sour Diesel, you know, and I love that that's around. So, and I just, I live a little curious about how Kangen water is used in the nursery. You may have already talked about that, but it seems like a,

2:12:05SpeakerI got a sack for you, Eric. When you come in, when you come in to Humboldt, I got, you know me, I still have all the original shit. And I still grow for myself because I like to smoke OG. And I'll bring you back when you roll into town. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to come up for the region. And you know, I signed up for the fucking gone GA. Like, I'm all about it.

2:12:28SpeakerLike, it took me a minute to get signed up. But I'm excited. I mean, I've been a big fan ever since you developed the concept and getting the community together and going to the spring kickoff was a big one. And You know, going to the Golden Tarp Awards, I remember speaking at the one of the first Golden Tarp Awards. And I'm not really a public speaker by any accounts.

2:12:49SpeakerI kind of just had to do with something I felt like I had to do in the business side of things. And so when I was at the Golden Tarp Awards, they didn't have a projector. And it was the first time that I did a presentation without a slide screen because I kind of used that to move me along. And so it was more off the cuff.

2:13:04SpeakerAnd I remember using my hands so much that I banged into the microphone and knocked it over. I was a nervous fucking wreck. But yeah, man, it's gonna be good to hang out and go through the process. I'm excited and impressed with what you guys have done. Well, you know, the beauty of the Gangier is that, you know, we use those four categories of perception as the classifications.

2:13:26SpeakerAnd a woman named Ellen Holland just released a really good book called Weed. And the first 90 pages of it are the four categories. And then the next section is all the craft farmers. Aren't you in that season? Are you in Weed?

2:13:42SpeakerWhat do you mean? Am I in Weed? Are you in that book Weed? No, I'm not. No. There's a ton of craft farmers that she brought in to talk about all the different production methodologies which drive quality. But the first third of the book is all based off of my four categorical divisions. And so what it does is it starts just to allow us to be able to use some of these simplified but accurate methods of explanation so that what you get is you get an ability to have conversations with people because when you start taking them into You start taking them down the metabolite route, you lose people too quickly.

2:14:20SpeakerAnd what you want to be able to do is get them enthused, not wow them with your incredible fucking memory of recollection of what profiles are present, but it smells like a banana. And it's a lot easier to say than it has osamine. And so when you... So, when you put it all together, it works. And it's just a matter of trying to work together where we can use all the different skill sets from all of us to present information that allows people to make better choices and better for them.

2:14:51SpeakerNot so much better for me, it's just better choices in general. So, you're going to dig it. You'll really like the program. The location, we're going to shift it from my spot at the one log because the cookies equity program goes in this spring. So they get an equity program where you got Chris Webber out of Detroit. He put together a huge facility in Detroit and they're having people that qualify as equity participants from around the US fly up to us to spend a couple of months at the one log so they can get an education on basically what's the new industry and also How do you use your equity situation to your best potential?

2:15:30SpeakerBecause that's the issue that you have these individuals with equity ability, but they end up getting fucked because you kind of use it as a door to get into a license. And the thing is, what they get is a stipend, not generational wealth, which is what you should get from these businesses. You should have an ability to create something fucking long term that benefits for time. And so when we run that program at the one log, it'll take over the facility.

2:16:01SpeakerAnd so Derek has a beautiful location up in Salmon Creek. So he's got like a 200 acre location in Salmon Creek where we're going to have the events and it'll be killer because we'll be able to bring farmers in and it'll be a lot easier for people to come and go. But it's been a really good program and the feedback's been excellent. And, you know, the main point is just trying to be able to get the public to understand better what it is they buy and why they buy it so that you empower them to make the right choices, be it whatever.

2:16:33SpeakerAnd for the smaller farmer, the quality of product is where we shine because you're going to bring cultivars forward that are not on the five pounds per 25 square foot Thank you so much for watching.

2:17:04SpeakerYour boy been busy. Yeah, no, it sounds like it. And I've always loved the fact that we qualify the weed based on the smells, you know, like not all these other reports and, you know, THC and stuff like that. And so, you know, I mean, the hemp people had to do that, you know, with the phytology and the phytofacts and, you know, some of that stuff is based on smokable flower being terpene driven because you're not looking for how much CBD it has.

2:17:30SpeakerAnd so, you know, combining some of these things with what you've done and what they're talking about to educate people on this terpene aspect of a qualitative, you know, way of looking at cannabis is awesome. We just have to get the chain of distribution up to fuck it up in between. Well, that's the issue is, I mean, that's the issue we go into is that, you know, how do you approach the business you're in?

2:17:51SpeakerBecause The issue is that you take this beautiful product at the farm and then you put it into a supply chain that's as fucking broken as could be. And by the time the end person consumes it, it's trash. And so like for me, when I'm doing breeding projects right now, a lot of the stuff that I'm working on is we're doing holdability testing to find out what's the degradation when it's not held in refrigerated stasis.

2:18:15SpeakerWe've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions.

2:18:32SpeakerHow do we create plants that fit that reality so that what you have is you have something that can make it through the system? Because some of the fine product, I would say, like, what's a good example? That White Thorn Rose that Casale does, it makes some of the best hash I've smoked in years. The quality of the profile is phenomenal. And the flowers are gorgeous, but they don't hold up to supply chain movement.

2:18:57SpeakerAnd so the problem is if he puts that flower in the system and it doesn't move smoothly, it gets destroyed and it ends up making Johnny look like he's an inferior farmer with an inferior product and it couldn't be any further from the truth. He's a great farmer and he's got a great product, but the system's screwed up. And so you do the best you can to Fix problems in the short term so that there's marketability and movement of product for farmers.

2:19:26SpeakerAnd at the same time, you're developing, it's almost like a duality of what I do. One of them is Epicurean and the other one is just dealing with the fact that the system's fucked. And if you can't get paid, you're not staying alive as a farmer. So you have to have something that can make it through the chain. It has to have hot numbers, has to have agronomic abilities, and it has to be able to handle supply chain issues.

2:19:48SpeakerAnd then the other product that you can release in limited form that really allows you to have an identity as a craft producer.

2:19:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's, that's important to note that this week in California, a lot of small Family Farmers and Craft Farmers went to Sacramento to lobby at the Capitol Building. So, you know, a lot of love to every person that showed up to Capitol Building. I think Supernova Woman on Instagram, I think is one woman that, or one group that covered the event, Alpenglow. So many people were there.

2:20:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's really important to note that, you know, as we Talk about regenerative farming. We have to continue like season does, you know, so many people, you know, just work actively with creating the environment To embody what we're doing, you know, like a lot of people in California can't even make products. So it's hard to be an amazing grower with products that embody what you're doing on the land because you ultimately have to give it to a whole other entity and hope that they represent you in the right way.

2:20:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I, that's why, and it's a global issue with cannabis. So You know, just make it make everyone in the world.

2:21:03SpeakerIt's a global issue with farmers.

2:21:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, let's just feel represented. It's everywhere in the world that people are fighting corporate entities. India, it's huge in India. At this moment, you know, Thailand, you know, you say, oh, it's Thank you so much for joining us.

2:21:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you can still have, you know, requirements that make the products, you know, up to standards and everything. But, you know, having to be separate from your retail chain, it kills the consumer too, because then you get limited amount of products. So in the end, you're trying to find a lot of products to fit an ailment. And In the recreational or legalization market around the world it's just it's very limited on what you can get and farms would be amazingly creative even if you could do co-ops and you know and then that would be talking about your bio region you know every bio region would have an amazing set of herbs to work with along with cannabis and it would be nice to see that represented as we move forward.

2:22:38SpeakerYou know what? Oh, I was just going to throw a toss in. We were right in Washington. You know, we're nine years in and they threw up a bill I posted earlier in this week to do direct farm sales. And the way we're structured a little different than California. In order for me to get product to store, I have a processor license and that license lets me do anything.

2:22:59SpeakerYou know, I could I could make food if I was able to put in a septic system. I can't, you know, wanted to put them in the septic system and have a All right. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:23:22SpeakerIt really gives me the ability to do craft things. And, you know, I was my testimony when I got on the public thing Friday was, hey, I want to do maybe one event a month tops, like maybe quarterly, you know, maybe by twice a year, have an event where I sell some products direct, you know, have an educational event and have some of my products available on the side type thing and like make it real in the maybe some of my neighbors as they came by, you know, and it would it would be.

2:23:50SpeakerAaron Ward, CEO Alphabet and Google, Microsoft Office Word Document MSWordDoc Word.Document.8

2:24:12SpeakerNick was saying and it's like this isn't what I want to do when I signed up for this I didn't want to like learn how to run a sticker printer and do graphic design and and test this cannabis for all this shit like I wanted to grow and farm and and and and those laws I'm just backing it up it's so if you're in Washington please support like this is huge and In Washington, I've watched and been a little bit a part of this stuff for a decade now.

2:24:37SpeakerAnd the legislators really do hear the voice of the people. Email in or just taking the time to send in a written testimony does a lot, at least in our state. And our state supports small farmers. And so as they hear what a big impact, it really can make a difference. So that's my little plug on that. What you were going to say, Kev? What you have is...

2:25:02SpeakerYou have an issue that because the United States is the destination sale for most of these countries that I work in, they're having this incredible conundrum about how do they get the products that are from their area into the US market and be accepted because we're obsessed with morphology, right? The Americans are obsessed with looks of cannabis. And so the Thai are trying to reclassify How cannabis is viewed so that you don't use structure as one of the criteria.

2:25:34SpeakerAnd what I'm trying to help the groups that I work with understand that there's really the two markets you create, the internal market in your country, where you specialize and focus on what is indigenous? What is your base form? And then from there, you can create other things that are hybrids to move globally that'll work in supply chain shipment. But because the US is the destination, it's almost like everyone wants to throw everything they're creating out and come after what sells here.

2:26:07SpeakerAnd it couldn't be a worse decision. I'm like, whoa, if I went to Thailand, I want to smoke Thai. If I'm in Laos, I want to smoke Laos. If you sold me a fucking bag of white runts, I'd be pissed because I can buy that in anywhere in America, but I can't buy Thai in America. And I grow it, but it's not Thai because I don't have the sun and the back.

2:26:33SpeakerI don't have the combination to make it what it is. So it's an Americanized, bastardized, diminished form. And I know that because I get to fuck around with all these things in real time. So I know the difference. And that's really what's tough is that we're all so busy trying to figure out how to sell weed that you're creating the square tomato so that it boxes easy, it ships easy.

2:26:59SpeakerAnd what we're losing is we're losing this diversity and we're losing the ability for each one of these places to have their own individual identity. And so same thing with Columbia. We're developing lines in Columbia, but there has to be hybrids that can be sold to other places that desire American morphology. And then how do you develop the internal markets within the country to focus on what is their cultural smoke?

2:27:27SpeakerSo, you know, like these conversations are huge and there has to be, the farmers have to be able to get together and communicate so they can understand. Don't throw your population away to become a runts farmer because when runts goes away, what do you do? You know, you've lost your identity and now you're just basically your shell. You grab whatever the nursery sells and you grow it.

2:27:50SpeakerAnd that shit, I'm telling people, I'm like, listen, they sell 18 different plants in the fucking market. If you grow any of those, you're going out of business. You can't compete. And like Eric, Eric is similar to me where he and I both go to the largest operations in the United States. And then I go to ones out of the country that are fucking huge. It lets you get a really good idea of what your competition is and what they're doing.

2:28:15SpeakerAnd I'm like, you can't compete with these guys because they can get the product to the table cheaper than you. You have to get out of their realm and you have to go into things that they can't produce, won't produce. And the issue with that is how do we market it? But the bottom line is you can't go and chase large producers as a technique when you're not a large producer.

2:28:40SpeakerThat's where I love the idea of the Root Bear Chemdog Special Project is that what it does, it allows a tremendous number of people that you've brought together through the Regen Conference to be able to get access to a common breeding project And over the course of a year or two, what you've come out of with all those seeds is really the true outliers. And what you're doing is you're having people from around the US and hopefully global participate in this.

2:29:06SpeakerSo what you have is communication, participation, and movement of product. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:27SpeakerBut if I have 100 of us, we seem to have a far better picture on what to do and how to go forward. And how do we really go after the market in the way we need so that the small farmer has some ability to survive because nobody's living on 400 bucks a pound when in Cali, it's running you almost like by the time you're done with tax and trimming, you're already at fucking 350.

2:29:50SpeakerSo you're in this range of cost that's a nickel below what you're going to sell it for. It's impossible. You can't do business like that. And it's killing the farmer. Globally, I don't care what country I'm in, it's the same issue.

2:30:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSelling flowers is the lowest price that you'll get for your product. And so making products from your flower. Value added. Yeah. And that's where hash and rosin come in because that's a product at the end of the day. And then in some cases you can't make it or maybe you don't want to because it's too much infrastructure and all that. But that's the idea of There's places in Ontario right now where there are pounds for $25 a pound.

2:30:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I was just talking to people out there. But, you know, the big up to the families, you know, out there that are, you know, doing hash and everything because that still has value, you know, quite a bit.

2:30:50SpeakerAnd taking away the ability for the farmer to have a value-added product with their own, you know, Bethany Hrachovec, Ph.D.: product with their own produce is ridiculous it's like telling the tomato farmer hey you know what tomato farmer. Bethany Hrachovec, Ph.D.: You can't make tomato sauce. Bethany Hrachovec, Ph.D.: When really you know, maybe for small tomato farmers, the only way that they can actually stay a small farmer feed their family pay their taxes.

2:31:16SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:31:36SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:31:52SpeakerAll of these people are going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to

2:32:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSpices and Thai roots and the Ayurvedic Chinese medicine mashup that happens in Thailand. You know, I mean, you'd find incredible products coming out of there. Or let's say Yoruba in Nigeria, West Africa. I mean, there's really important roots and tonics that come from these areas. And to be able to compound medicine, even compounding cannabis is banned in some areas. So You know, the ability to compound cannabis with other products.

2:32:52SpeakerAnd what he means by compounding is literally just taking two herbs and putting them together. That's how restrictive this has gotten. Like, come on, silliness. They're trying to compare us putting spearmint into cannabis leaves for a smoking blend as to that of mixing two pharmaceutical drugs to go together. Come on, we have now created loops that we can no longer fit into. It is so stupid. Humans are ridiculous.

2:33:28SpeakerWe are always creating these systems that we can't even work in. So I think that if we've learned anything through these last two years, We need to simplify and we need to humanize more things so that it makes it easier. The reason why they've complicated a system is so that we have to pay somebody else not only to translate it, but then to be able to carry out the work to do it.

2:33:56SpeakerSo what it does is it just takes us further and further away from the work and empowerment of us becoming, again, sovereign, independent beings. And this is where we need to move, not just in cannabis, not just in farming, but in every single occupation in the world. I love that you're using that vocabulary. It really strikes me. I identify with it.

2:34:31SpeakerI agree. I was just when we were breaking, we were talking about hash and stuff. It's like I just really agree with with the direct sale and and you taking it beyond hash, because right now in Washington, where California is kind of almost like its own country in a way, you know, the cannabis industry can operate because it's so huge. But we only have like six, seven hundred farmer producers, processors and There's a ton of folks in the hash game.

2:35:00SpeakerLike everyone that used to be doing a small home grow convinced the guy who was having a hard time to let him spend 10 grand and put up a hash lab. And so we have in the market, we have really high quality rosin, especially hash rosin available for 60 bucks, 50 bucks a gram. That's pretty decent stuff all the way up to $75 a gram. And if you're in that $60 range, $65 range,

2:35:27SpeakerAaron Ward, Family Farms, Family Farms, Family Farms, Family Farms

2:35:49SpeakerAaron Wade, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

2:36:07SpeakerWe have a real neighborhood nursery, you know, that people can come by, my neighbors can come by and they can buy some clones, some seedlings, a couple ounces of herb, maybe some honey, infused honey, like these basic products that I'm, you know, salve. These things that I'm already doing that are just simple healing things and it can be like once a month or whatever, like a couple people I'm cool enough that I'll let them drop by, you know, whenever, just how we would normally do it, you know, that's,

2:36:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe, I wanted to, you know, big up LOS Gardens out in Ontario, Sean and Subsidium Secreto and the crew that came together. They won an award, you know, off of Sun Grown Medicine, Sun Grown Rosin recently. And Toronto, that was a big, you know, You know, beautiful thing. And they're all working on out there. There's a lot of people that we're working in the DM pure network that are creating like that farm gate, you know, food network, even conscious meats, regenerative meat growing, you know, and in some cases, in some places in the world, you can't even get like, say, meat or raw milk.

2:37:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo to be able to provide that for the community is also a microbial rich entity that you'd like to get into your body. So yeah, mix and matching the food sovereignty along with the medicine sovereignty is important. And it is happening in different parts of the world. So yeah, give thanks to the people that are creating networks in their area to provide their community with intentional products.

2:37:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBecause processed food is not very good for us. And processed medicine is not the best for us as well.

2:38:09SpeakerI don't know. Amen.

2:38:16SpeakerI don't know where we're at. We've been going for a while. Two and a half hours. Nice.

2:38:26SpeakerAre you talking to? Go ahead, Josh.

2:38:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNo, but anyway, that and that's the spirit of the regenerative conference and everyone coming together is that you're highlighting each bioregion and what they can do, you know, and everything. And on this panel right now, you already have people in every Aaron Ward- different area and in Canada, we can't make new licenses at you know it's just not the way the law works, but I mean we can we can make a new license, but we can't alter the.

2:39:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAaron Ward- licenses that are there currently so if that's the kind of work that we're looking and moving forward is hey can we create a new.

2:39:08SpeakerAaron Ward- Addendum.

2:39:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAaron Ward- A new addendum to.

2:39:11SpeakerAaron Ward- The laws.

2:39:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBecause in Canada is a good representation of the world. This is a federally legalized country. And how does regenerative farming and lifestyles fit into that federal legalized, you know, markup. And at this moment, it really doesn't, it doesn't match.

2:39:27SpeakerAnd I just sort of wanted to remind everybody out there that Health Canada is what, you know, handles our license here in Canada. And that's like, Kelly Cervantes, Our health and medical system. That is not our agricultural system. Look, Canada Ag has nothing to do with cannabis. So that can really tell you the wormholes of where cannabis is going, which is pharmaceutical, drug involved, because that's what they know.

2:39:53SpeakerThey're going with what it is that they know. You know, you can see how incredibly detrimental this is that Canada being one of the main big countries that's federally legalized cannabis has taken it into a federally legalized faction of the pharmaceutical Um, trickle down, if you will. And I just think that that's the wrong way to go if we're talking about small farmers. So for us to be able to have a conversation with the government of Canada and say, hey, there's a whole other faction of cannabis that's going on that isn't just pharmaceutical grade, that isn't just talking about drug

2:40:39SpeakerWe're talking about farming and this being used as a product that small farmers can have in addition to their multi-crop, their multi-products on their property. you know i think that these conversations are are incredibly important and especially canada because if we're able to get canada to make that movement then the rest of the world looks at it oh yeah hey there is a small area for farmers to be able to bring up different parts of You know, maybe what they're trying to accomplish in the federal government, which is basically they're not even making any money In cannabis, at least in a way that they wanted to, all of the promises that these big corporate entities made with Health Canada, they're not necessarily getting that percentage back that was promised out to them.

2:41:42SpeakerSo even that's not working.

2:41:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut there's still a network there. We're thankful that Canada has federally legal. Absolutely.

2:41:51SpeakerThere's a lot to work with.

2:41:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt opens a door. There are intentional businesses out there coming online. There is good medicine. I know Marcus knows it works with a lot of them. Whistler Technologies works with a lot of more and more, a lot of them. And I know a lot of regenerative farmers that are entering the licensed producer market here in Canada that are continuing to lobby every day for certain ingredients, even nettles, you know, like they have to lobby to put nettles in their soil.

2:42:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, and so it becomes really crazy when you're talking about like sacred, herbalist, regenerative farming. And then you look at the actual system you're trying to work with and you're like, oh, shit.

2:42:34SpeakerAnd then they create a hoop that's this big. And then only the isolated forms of ourselves can jump through it. Sorry, maybe too soon. But we're thankful. There's a lot to be thankful for. I mean, it's the same thing. Like, you know, when I put that post up there, there's a handful of folks that are like, yeah, but this type of person can, you know, take advantage of it or this type of, you know, and I'm like, You know, it's one step at a time.

2:43:01SpeakerI've literally had a license, recreational license for nine years, you know, and it's one step at a time. And like I've been saying, I need this thing for nine years. Like I used to sell direct tomatoes and all my products in Minnesota. And I used to walk into chefs and with food and be like, buy it. And they buy it for top dollar. And I just it's not what I can do right now.

2:43:25SpeakerSo like, I don't know, I'll just go off on it. But like. And the reason why that's so important is not only is it supporting the small farmer, but it's supporting the nutrient dense, fresh food that you have to offer right at that time. These terpenes of what the farmer has created off their farm and the way that they want to cure it is very different in the end, which is exactly very different than, you know, dare I say, a rotten tomato.

2:43:58SpeakerSo much of the fresh, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:44:20SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:44:38SpeakerIt isn't representative of the small farmer and it is only harming us to be able to have value in, you know, the history, I mean, into the future of what small farming should even have capabilities to do and how dare Exactly.

2:44:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's impressive to shout up.

2:44:57SpeakerWhat about the tomato? Nobody talks about the poor tomato. That's not. Dude, I honestly will not eat tomatoes that are store-bought. Like even at the, we shop at the co-op and they have good food. And I know most of the farmers, but the tomatoes that they have to grow for them to sit for a week, don't fucking dive with my mouth. Like I don't fucking want them.

2:45:17SpeakerYou know, I'll only buy the stuff at the farmer's market or grow my own, you know, and it's, And I basically don't eat tomatoes unless I grow them because up here, folks, you know, they have all sorts of greenhouses. And how many of us would say that as cultivators of cannabis, we really only smoke what's super close to us and ingest what's super close to us because we know.

2:45:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe know it.

2:45:39SpeakerThat we know it, it has the value, it has the flavor that we're all looking for, even for us to want to smoke somebody else's product. You know, it's to me the same as that tomato that even though it may be good, it's been on the shelf for a really long time to finally get to the consumer. So we need to have a lot of compassion for consumers in the cannabis market, especially in Canada.

2:46:05SpeakerNot receiving what it is that the producers or the cultivators even wanted to put out.

2:46:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd to shout up the tomato a little bit, our friends at Peace Seedlings grew 200 different strains of tomatoes. So, wow. 200. Yeah. Yeah. PeaceFeedlings.blogspot.com. You can find incredible food seeds.

2:46:30SpeakerAnd they've been growing 200 different varietals of tomatoes for about 40 years.

2:46:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAlong with incredible flower varietals. Where's their farm? Corvallis. Corvallis. Nice. I'll definitely check it out.

2:46:42SpeakerYeah.

2:46:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd they're. Yeah, their father, Alan Capular, we had on Hash Church one time. He's a genetic biologist in his 70s. And Peace Seeds was his company and his kids run Peace Seedlings. So everyone should know about Alan Capular.

2:46:59SpeakerAnd just be as if we're talking about all these incredible varietals of cannabis because we can, because it's still here. Because it's still relevant to consumers. You know, fast forward us talking about, you know, 70 different varietals of broccoli, we would lose all of the people who are listening right now. And they're just the same as if 20 years down the road, we're talking about all these different varietals that have now been CRISPR technology in Israel right now.

2:47:35SpeakerThey're going to put out four different varietals of cannabis where all of these 70 different varietals that we're talking about right now We have no value in people's minds. They have no idea what we're talking about, but yet this is what's going to bring us to the future. So that's why it's so important that we continue to bring this forward because we know the degradation that has happened to the food industry for us to only have four different varietals of broccoli.

2:48:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we don't believe in editing the genome of foods through CRISPR technology. We believe in Baking up the genome through regenerative polyculture seed saving, and that's our future. Our future is in the unknown, the soil microbiome and how endophytic bacteria and fungi store themselves in seeds to create a new plant the following year.

2:48:30SpeakerAnd yes, we do believe that it's a short track To health and well-being of the cannabis plant in the same way that antibiotics is a short track to the health and well-being of our microbiology. I said it. I'm sorry. I know that humans love to go down these long roads of science, but when we start CRISPR technology, you know, all of the varietals that have taken our ancestry thousands of years to get here, and we just maybe ruin it with some great idea that the human has.

2:49:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJust been building up.

2:49:02SpeakerWhen we really have no idea what's going to happen to the future of those seeds so even though we can look into you know a very small picture of what this may do it's awesome to have questions about it but what we continue seeing is that those questions now are taking over industry right left and center it's not just oh let us question because we have these ideas but when We've got a couple of questions here.

2:49:33SpeakerWe've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here.

2:49:55SpeakerFolks will kind of judge you on Instagram or social media if there's a breeder that's taking an F2ing or F3ing or F4ing someone else's thing. And you hear people talk down on it. And it's like, I really don't hold that belief whatsoever. I think there's significant value. I was going to say when Nick was on to taking something, if you think it's really cool and it worked really well for you or you have potential for it to take it down those lines and hold it and remake it year after year because In my experience, it takes two or three seasons or rows for a genetic to really jive with the biology, you know, and like, you know, that's true of human beings, too.

2:50:36SpeakerAnd when we move and move into different environments, different places, it takes people get sick often, you know, in the first while it takes their biome, especially if you drastically move to a different part of the world, you know, you could really fuck you up. You know, so it's just to consider like to not get rid of that machismo thing or whatever the fuck it is and like make seeds, you know, like and that's why I always I appreciate hearing about peace seedlings because I've always bought like from uprising seeds here in Bellingham area and they grow only open pollinated seeds and I've been growing those seeds for so many years I can't remember, you know, making the umpteenth generations and You know, it's it's something of significant value to me because it's embodied with almost not only within me and the food tastes good to me, but it's it does well with my environment.

2:51:25SpeakerAnd it's something that I can pass on, you know, that maybe improve this just for this region and just for this technique. That's all. That's enough, you know, or kept it alive and kept it around. Go ahead, Josh.

2:51:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI also agree that it's climatizing, you know, to an area. So it's not to say that, you know, it's, you shouldn't grow someone else's seeds. Of course you should, because that's the whole entire point of making seeds. You can say, hey, the origins of this came from Pacific Northwest roots, Vraskaya Paul, you know, or Nick or You know, whoever it came from. And then that's, that's, that's nice.

2:52:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineCause then you're being gracious and you're giving, you know, maybe it's Kevin Jodry, you know, or, or, or whatever. And then you can continue, you know, the, the, the representation of where it came from, but being able to climatize the seed, like you said, is really powerful and it makes it, you know, Thank you for joining us today.

2:52:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYes, we encourage anyone to always grow out the seeds. And of course, you know, like, you know, do something with them if you feel called to it. You know, that's that's a beautiful thing. So that's why seed swaps are powerful.

2:52:54SpeakerAnd that's part of us as human beings. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:53:23SpeakerYou know, if we continue to trade them and we put them in different areas and regions, then we're going to find an area in a region and a farmer that grows it out really well to be able to keep that, you know, varietal present. Because just like you were saying, Joshua, you know, like nobody's talking about the tomato. We need to talk about the plant as an entity, too.

2:53:46SpeakerA lot of us are talking about the manipulation of the plant and all of the different varietals. Thank you for joining us today.

2:54:13SpeakerAnd that's what we really need to be doing and being true stewards of every single seed that we create because that's creating, that's completing the whole cycle of what regeneration even means.

2:54:28SpeakerThe other thing I wanted to add to the regenerative talk too was I learned more the first year and back in, was it 2018 was the first year of the Regen Conference, Josh? I learned more at that first meeting in Portland than I did in probably the previous five to 10 years of going to other cannabis and agricultural conventions and listening to talks. It was just this wholly different level.

2:54:50SpeakerAnd people are hanging out at dinner, talking science, talking, you know, all these different methodologies. It's a completely different kind of experience than any other kind of conference you're going to go to. And you'll learn more about more different things that you didn't know exist that'll help you Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:55:19SpeakerThere's been a lot of folks that came to the first couple years that are now like in career, you know, consultants running big grows when they first came in. Not that they got all their education, obviously, in a weekend, but the connections and the kind of lead off and the base really does lead, you know, like, I think if I was going to advise someone that was 20, 20, whatever, trying to figure out, I want to be in the career, I'd say hit the Ganja, hit all the regen conferences, try to figure out how to get Dempier certified and fucking, you know, you'll have all that you need right there to go figure it out, you know.

2:55:50SpeakerHey, I got to split guys. My, uh, my, my human seed is demanding some attention. So I want to say thanks, Marcus, for letting me be on your platform. I appreciate you, Josh, for inviting me on to speak. And it's like I said, it's always an honor to hang out with all of you at your... You're all wonderful people. And it's just a blessing to be part of your crew.

2:56:15SpeakerSo thank you so much. And I look forward to seeing you all a couple of weeks in Humboldt. And I'll bring you out to OG, Eric. I got some killer OG. You're going to love that shit. Send me a fucking eight. Send me a fucking eight to that, man. I will. I'll bring you a second. I got plenty. I know, I know. You know, it's California, man.

2:56:31SpeakerYou grow your six. I grew six big ones.

2:56:35SpeakerAll right, you guys be cool. That's how you leave a Zoom conference right there. I got your bag of OG Kush, by the way. Thank you, everybody. Got you, baby. Good to have you, Kevin. Pleasure, my brother. We'll be on.

2:56:54SpeakerWell, right on. Where are we at? I'm kind of, I've actually been told I have family duties too. I've had a long week and, you know, got a long week of shows actually to try to promote this conference. So I'm going to be at a lot of stuff. We're at three hours. You want to keep going?

2:57:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm down. You want to kind of wrap it up? Where are we at?

2:57:16SpeakerWe're going to get rolling. We got a whole bunch of stuff going on. And, you know, of course, it's always an incredible honor. To see all of you, your faces that I haven't seen in so long. I just want to hug you big and for a long time and share a nice circle with you all and laugh until we can't laugh anymore, which is what we always all do when we're in person.

2:57:38SpeakerSo I'm really looking forward to those times. And thanks again, Marcus. You know, you continue to host these things. It's just, it's everything. It's everything. It truly is. If we're not sharing like this, then, It's all meaningless. So it gives meaning to everything that we do. And I just appreciate you for continuously giving meaning to everything that we do and everything that we are. And Joshua, thanks.

2:58:06SpeakerSame thing. Potent Ponics, Trix, love you, Brian, you know.

2:58:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSay hey to the Helios guys.

2:58:13SpeakerEric, everything. You guys all in season, you all give meaning to what it is that we all do. And when we come and we talk about it, it makes us get more energy for Thank you so much for joining us.

2:58:41SpeakerAnd the more doors we can push her through and the more conversations that people want to have about this plant and want to ingest it, we just know that it's going to be a better world for humanity. So I just appreciate you guys to the ends of whatever that means. So much love. Thanks. You guys, thank you for coming on. You will be big time missed at the conferences.

2:59:06SpeakerAnd should anything come up at the last minute, you're welcome to come crash our party. Please do. We don't know. Anything could happen in this world. Maybe we'll have a tunnel.

2:59:20SpeakerSet up a projector and invite them on Zoom. That's what someone suggested in the chat. They should make an appearance. Yeah, we can definitely, we can definitely try to do that at Humboldt is, is, is it impossible, but maybe we can do it at the other ones and try to get you guys in. And if you're down and we can make that happen, that would be great.

2:59:37SpeakerActually, I had thought about that earlier. I was going to bring it up. Awesome.

2:59:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey haven't mandated, um, astral travel yet. So we still have that.

2:59:45SpeakerSo we're still astro traveling almost every day. So we look forward to seeing you all in that space. Well, thank you very much everybody for tuning in. And thanks to all the Eric and Steve and Dragonfly and Season and Brian. And, and, you know, I should have added to my list. If you really want to education in the cannabis industry, start episode one, season one, past church.

3:00:11SpeakerAnd I have learned a ton from watching these things. I've learned a ton from all the panelists. It's, it is the highest class show in terms of education and that I, you know, Been around in the industry, hands down. Marcus, you've done an awesome service to the world in this. And really appreciate you giving space for the thing that we do. And really gracious man. Thanks for the kind words, brother.

3:00:40SpeakerAlways happy to play my part. It's great to listen today. Steve was helping me in the background. With some sort of Zoom co-hosting things. So we're going to be able to figure out maybe so Hash Church doesn't have to change links when it goes live. It's going to help me figure that out. So shout out to him for that. And yeah, thank you guys for doing this today on here.

3:01:01SpeakerIt was really, really nice to listen to everyone. It was neat to hear a group of people who seemingly have this great information and knowledge, but even some of the things Like when Kevin spoke and what he spoke about and how honest he was about how he's spoken. And then Nicholas really kind of quite different. It was it was nice to see people not necessarily agreeing, but sharing different points of perspective without like getting on one another and just staying true to the topic.

3:01:33SpeakerIt was really refreshing. I appreciated it. It's something that we strive for and like because there is a lot of there can be a lot of little All of that micro nitpicky stuff within subcultures. And even in our conference, there's conflict between K&F and Soil Food Web. But we really just do a good job of talking it through. And I think we'll kind of move past that at this point.

3:01:56SpeakerBut that was a thing. Aaron Ward, Dean of Student Affairs, Student Affairs, Student Affairs, Student Affairs, Student Affairs, Student Affairs, Student Affairs,

3:02:18SpeakerAnd there's, there's contradictions and understanding and it's, it's been powerful how we, how we kind of figure it out together. You know, I, I know for sure every speaker has changed their vocabulary and their understanding from those, from those meetings. And it's been really powerful. So.

3:02:39SpeakerAwesome. Well, if that's it, thanks, everybody. And I guess I'll stop the recording and shut down YouTube. And Houghton Ponix, hit me up. You need to finish off helping me, not this minute by any means, but eventually. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, Joshua. I can't wait to, you know, hopefully become a part of another regenerative conference here in Canada one day soon when this COVID-19 shit is done.

3:03:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicinePeace, everybody. It's been nice to see the tomatoes show up today. Have a great day, everyone. Love you. Peace, brother guys.

3:03:15SpeakerYeah, thanks again.