CHA Regenerative Roots and Living Soil

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0:23BubblemanAll right. Just going through a little bit of a ad on my one page here. Okay. All right. Welcome, everybody. Welcome, everybody. We are here for another incredible episode of Hash Church. Who's stoked? Who's stoked to see a whole room full of awesome people? Harry Hashtrood, Bingo Lombardi holding it down, OG Brick, Harry Hashtrood, Booth9666, Kung Fu Vapes. Everyone give Kung Fu Vapes some love, bro. That guy just went through serious, serious shit.

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4:50BubblemanIn the meantime, welcome, Etienne. How are you doing, my friend? Nice to see you back on the continent. It's good to be back. It's good to be back. It looks like a fantastic trip, dude. I mean, the wildlife photos really... Thank you so much for joining us.

5:27BubblemanMaybe 240 billion other animals that we slaughter and consume over the course of a year. And those animals make up, geez, with the population, the animals that we eat with humans make up 96% of all mammalian life on earth. So 4% of mammalian life are the photos that you took, Etienne. And they were spectacular. It looked absolutely incredible. What a bucket list thing to do, really, when you think about it.

5:57Etienne FontanYeah, seriously, smoking great hash in Africa. Highly recommend it to everybody.

6:04Etienne FontanNow, I got to give a huge shout out to the people of South Africa. Absolutely lovely people. Cannabis there, world class. We attended called the Amber Cup, which is thrown by Myrtle and Em in South Africa and have for years. It's a concentrates cup. So that's why it's called the Amber Cup. And Fucking world-class, man. I mean, we, of course, had some wonderful guests from South Africa on a few months ago, and wow, they delivered all across the board.

6:41Etienne FontanQuality of concentrates, very high. The Amber Cup happens in October. I plan to be there next year again, because... My friend Myrtle enjoys taking the vacation and that's what we did is we spent a week in Kruger National Park with and I photographed everything except leopards, rhinos, cheetahs, and pangolins. Everything else I got photos of so literally over almost a thousand photos so um I'll be dropping them as you saw.

7:16Etienne FontanThat's just a teaser of some of them. But yeah, I got, you know, hyenas, as you saw in the pictures, they're nursing, you know, very rare to ever see, you know, things like that. But 20 feet from the car, there they are, just moms laid out and the kids are like, what's up? So no, you know, the cannabis is amazing. The laws there, they have some of the best laws in the world.

7:39Etienne FontanCannabis is part of their constitution. Do better, America. Do better, Canada. Do better, people. The quality of cannabis, you know, it's all outdoor. You can't grow indoor due to electricity realities there. It's first world yet third world areas. So, you know, people stealing electricity all the time and that causes power grids to go down. So... If you were actually going to do that, you better have a backup generator and a backup generator to that.

8:12Etienne FontanAnd then you better have top electricity surrounding your place because people will try to steal, you know, your pumps and all kinds of other stuff. So it's a different reality, needless to say, and how they deal with and how the police handle them. You know, your car is a legal place for you to smoke, which isn't in a lot of places of the world. So, you know, they can't search your car or anything for cannabis, even if they smell it.

8:40Etienne FontanIt's considered legal. Thank you for watching.

9:06Etienne FontanEverybody's taking care of their own. And it's really, really the disparity that I saw in Johannesburg, as well as in Cape Town. I mean, it tells the entire story. I mean, it's from the richest of the rich, which I saw in Johannesburg with a gentleman who had like a 20 car glass garage. For you to see his Lamborghinis and everything else, you know, behind bulletproof glass, etc.

9:35Etienne FontanTo, you know, the poorest of the poor. So, I mean, it was... Thank you so much for joining us today.

10:06Etienne FontanThat's happening and what they have going on is spectacular. They're constantly educating. It reminded me a lot of my early days at Cannes. They have a whole group that hangs there. People are calling, asking about their rights, what they can and can't do. It's just very special. And so I can't say enough on absolutely how... Wonderful. I was treated and respected as well as the hash community there is on point.

10:39Etienne FontanThe quality is world class. There were only five entries in the competition this year, and that's just due to timing and everything else. But There was numerous other past winners who were there and showing their wares that they didn't. And boy, it should have been. And I was gifted, as you saw from my Instagram post. That's that's a stash I took with me to Kruger National Park, which was makes the experience of photographing, you know, large animals.

11:12Etienne FontanAnd the key thing about Kruger people, you can't get out of your car. You will get fucking killed, eaten, destroyed. It's just not fucking around. Literally 10 feet away from your car is elephants, wildebeests, wild nature, man. So humbling, beautiful. Did some micro dosing along the way too, which of course made it even more special. And yeah. Shout out to Myrtle and the whole entire Jazz Farm crew.

11:41Etienne FontanAwesome. I'm still soaking it in. I've got a lot more to consider, but that's all I'll say for now. Sounds absolutely amazing, dude.

11:49BubblemanI wish I could have been there. It looked absolutely spectacular. It seems like the whole South Africa crew are just awesome people. I was lucky enough to meet Myrtle and some of the other folks you were with in Spain this last year in March at the last... Spanibus and Barcelona. So I guess the plan is to move it up to Basque country. Bilboa, which is definitely a very unique city.

12:17BubblemanIt's got some pretty trippy art like buildings in there. It's very different from Barcelona. So we'll see how that goes. Hopefully it doesn't change up too much. I feel like the hardcores will always make it. I feel like we might lose some of that bottom group that might have gone to Barcelona. But won't make the attempt to go to Bilbao. But hopefully we see as many of you there as possible.

12:41BubblemanI am really going to try to make it there. If I do make it there, I really want to bring my wife. I think that would be spectacular. Yeah, just had a nice little nature visit myself. For those of you that follow my social media, I went and hiked up to this place called Joffrey Lake. It was my wife's birthday wish to go up to Joffrey Lake.

13:03BubblemanThere's actually three lakes at Joffrey. There's Lower Lake about five minutes from the parking lot. And then about maybe about an hour from the parking lot, you get to the Middle Lake. And then maybe about an hour and 40 minutes plus two hours, you're in the Upper Lake, which is just absolutely completely insane and spectacular. And I will actually throw up one of those shots because it is just really that beautiful.

13:33BubblemanJoffrey Lake, this was just kind of the entrance to Joffrey Lake. Before we really made it in very far, my wife doing her thing. Just spectacular mountains. My daughter just enjoying myself with my family. Like, look at that water. Like, it's absolutely insane that you can just go to places like this, you know? So it's, you know, when you see myself make posts or Etienne or anyone else, you know, if you can get out in the world, Thank you so much for joining us.

14:29BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

14:46BubblemanThere's something old school about it. And so I stuck a little piece of full melt on there. And I've just been smoking the full melt off my pipe. And for those of you that have been following me for a long enough time realize that I have been puffing and sticking hash to my pipes for a very, very long time. I mean, I actually had marble slinger. I think it was slinger.

15:09BubblemanIt could have been Brian. Make me a pipe that had a small, I can't remember what we called it. It was like a podium that came out of the pipe. It was this tiny little spot for me to stick my hash because I always used to do that. And so it was nice to come back and stick my hash on my pipe again. And I'll tell you just now I had it plugged in Because if you have these little electronic pipes, the best thing for you to do is keep them plugged in or they tend to die when you're a chronic puffer like myself.

15:41BubblemanAnd so the pipe got so warm from charging it that this hash is now absolute like just melted chocolate. I can't even get it off the... You can see how...

15:58Etienne FontanThere we go. I used both. I had two peaks. You used them. And then I... Pardon me. Yeah, and I... Proxies, pardon me. And I donated them to Fields of Green for All. I saw you do that.

16:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's great, dude.

16:11Etienne FontanThey're, you know, they have great hash and cannabis. They just don't have... Thank you for watching.

16:37Etienne FontanI also saw that Jolly Roger was talking about the gentleman, the American who got caught with the gummies over in Asia. And so I engaged him. And so he actually wants to get involved with the stuff we're doing at the UN to affect some change. So shout out to Jolly and the crew. I'll be meeting with them next week to discuss, you know, further operations and that we're working on at the UN because we're trying to stop executions.

17:06Etienne FontanAnd that's the problem is this guy is You know, he imported gummies and now they're threatening to execute him potentially. And now they're talking about, well, not executing him, but now life in prison either. Just terrible and have absolutely no right. So that's one reason why the group that we work with, Cannabis Embassy, is working at the goal along with Myrtle and the wonderful people from South Africa.

17:30Etienne FontanWe're working towards removing cannabis from the most dangerous drug categories for adult use so this can't happen anymore, so that people can't be executed, they can't be jailed for life. It's legal worldwide. So we've still got years to go. It's only 2025, but that's the work and the reality of activism. It takes time, it takes energy, and it takes years. It's not something that's done quick. I mean, there are some actions that can happen quickly, but You know, when you work, it took 10 years for our friends at the Cannabis Embassy to change international law in 2020 to make it legal for medical cannabis worldwide.

18:08Etienne FontanSo that's about what it takes international with dedicated activist people. It takes about a decade. And so we've been working for five years now to arrive at that goal of 2030. And we're getting there, but we're going to have to rewrite the actual treaty and remove poppies, cannabis, And coca plants from the actual treaty. We have to have plants out because there's already exceptions for plants if they have medicinal use.

18:35Etienne FontanWell, all three of those plants have medicinal use and should not be banned or in the sense of worldwide. The reality is, is that we're going to have to force that change to rewrite the treaty to do that. And that takes a lot of energy as well as coordinated efforts around the world. It took, you know, 60 to almost 80 countries for us to stop the whole kratom illegality at the international level, which we were able to stop.

19:03Etienne FontanHowever, now we're seeing states like California actually make it illegal. And wait, is that Russ? That's Russ. The man, the gold medal winner himself. Hey, guys. Cha. Cha. You are a fucking legend. Holy shit.

19:23SpeakerOh, you're too modest. Well, sometimes. Sometimes I feel that way. Other times I feel like just a father who's struggling through life, so.

19:32BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, it's great. It's great to have you on here. I don't think we've ever met, but I've been watching your social media and I'm just like, we got to get this guy on Hash Church. He belongs on Hash Church. So I really appreciate you showing up today, bro. Really.

19:46SpeakerThanks, man. I appreciate you guys having me on. I need to get out there more in the world. I'm in my little bubble up here, you know, world. So I need to like, you know, go get out there.

19:57BubblemanWe love bubble here. So you're in the right place. Right. Right on, man.

20:02SpeakerWell, I don't want to like interrupt whatever you guys are talking about. I don't even know how this formatting goes.

20:06BubblemanSo you just I'm just here to like, you know, it's really organic and loose. Etienne just got back from South Africa. So he's telling us a little bit about the cup there and some of the pictures that he took in this incredible, you know, wildlife sanctuary and talk a little bit about Myrtle, who is there and who hosts him. And we were just actually started talking about a gentleman who got caught I'm guessing somewhere in Asia with gummies.

20:30SpeakerOh, was this, was this a basketball player? Is that, that guy? Oh yeah, I caught wind of that. I didn't know, I just, I hear he's, I hear he's in trouble.

20:41Etienne FontanYeah, he imported gummies and they initially were talking execution, but now they're talking life. What country is this? So, Russ, for those who aren't aware, we're talking to Russ Rabagliotti, I hope I pronounced that correctly. And you won a gold medal years ago for Canada, I do believe. No, that's hilarious.

21:04BubblemanYou misinterpreted. I did. I humanned. That's Ross. I could invite Ross one day. Oh, I hear him.

21:14Collin PalmerI remember you and I met Ross together, Marcus. I remember you holding the medal. Like, I'll never forget it. You're like, dude, this is just insane how heavy this is.

21:22BubblemanHe always has that medal with him, dude. I guess I would too if I won a gold medal. I would probably do the same thing, but... No, no, this is Russ from Cha Education, another cannabis educator and really like at a high level, like going into, I know Dragonfly Earth Medicine is coming in later. So I know that we'll get into a really good conversation about what you're doing.

21:44BubblemanAnd in fact, at one point, maybe now would be a great time to just give us a little introduction, a little breakdown on how, you know, how long you've been doing this. Obviously, humble where you're doing this and

21:57SpeakerYeah, yeah, that sounds, yeah, that's a great place to start. So my name is Russell Pace. I founded the Cannabis Horticultural Association, otherwise colloquially known as CHA, in 2016.

22:12SpeakerI had, you know, I'd been in Humboldt since 2006. I was a geologist before that out of college down in Orange County, SoCal. And, you know, soil science and hydrogeology, groundwater chemistry were kind of like passion. So it was like, you know, I was growing a little bit, you know, started in college way back in the day. It actually started my whole life path with cannabis. It started when I was 12.

22:35SpeakerI had this crazy opportunity to go to Tibet. I was in Eastern Tibet in like 91 or 92, I think. And I just started growing there. It was pretty wild. There's Josh. Hey, brother, keep going. I didn't know I was on. So I saw cannabis growing in Eastern Tibet in like 91, 92. And I just sort of like, it was like this, I don't know, it was just this affinity to it growing there.

23:04SpeakerAnd ever since that, it's just been like this intricate part of my life. I think actually what really put me on the path, my parents bought me Jack Herrera's book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. And it was like funny because they thought they were just like doing something fun for me. But then it like radically changed my whole perception on the government. What year was that?

23:25Etienne FontanWhich edition?

23:27SpeakerI don't remember. I think I have it around here somewhere. It was, I mean, they bought it for me in like, it would have been in like 1999 or, you know, something like that. So I don't know which edition it was. That's crazy. It was a great experience. Anyway, so fast forward, blah, blah, blah. I moved up to Humboldt in 2006, sort of disillusioned with the, you know, corporate structure.

23:53SpeakerAnd I just started, you know, picking up the pace with growing. I just threw my whole life into growing at that point. Before that, I was like, you know, you're the one or two lighter closet grows studying. And it really, you know, picked up. So anyways, and then just growing, I moved to Eastern Humboldt where it's much more arid. People think of Humboldt is like wet rainforest, you know, trees.

24:16SpeakerBut Eastern Humboldt is like a Mediterranean climate where it gets has huge diurnal swings in the summer. It'll be 110 in the day, you know, 50, 60 at night, sometimes like crazy. Big swings. And it's very arid and dry in the summer. So anyways, I lived there for a long time. I recently just moved to Southern Oregon. We bounced out of California after I was in there for like 16, 18 years.

24:43SpeakerSo we had to, it was just, you know, it was time to get out of California for a number, a litany of reasons I won't go into. So anyways, I've been doing cha, you know, a little bit of consulting on the side. And then in the later phase, I've been moving heavily into seed breeding, seed production and breeding. And that's been the mainstay of my growth at this point.

25:06SpeakerSo I've been stuck in Instagram for a long time, you know, just posting. But it's been a good platform for me to grow on. But I'm just grateful for you guys to get the opportunity to, you know, engage on platforms like this. Like I see Josh all over the place. So I'm just glad, you know, finally getting out there. Josh is all over the place. Yeah, he is.

25:32BubblemanThat's awesome. Well, we're stoked to have you, man. Go ahead, Josh and Kelly. How are you guys doing?

25:36SpeakerWe're good. It's really nice to see you on here, Russell. And, you know, those of you all who don't know his work and his breeding, he's really been in it for a very long time. Definitely a legacy breeder. The first moment that we, you know, met you, Russell, we were talking about general stuff, talking closed loop, talking plants, feeding plants. Really, you know, your work is really beautiful in the industry and it really shows.

26:05SpeakerThanks. Good to see you here today. I have this like funny memory. I remember when I first came in contact with Dragonfly, my neighbor actually was talking about something called Natural Mystic. I was like, what do you, what is that? Like what? And he like showed me this funny little mason jar full of this powder. And I'm like, what is, I was like intrigued. And I was like, wait, this is like plants.

26:28SpeakerLike this is like herbs. Like what, what? Like what is, so it was really cool. There's like a good intro into Dragonfly. That and yeah, Dragonfly makes the best, you know, I've learned a lot. I'll be honest, like I've learned, they put me on track to really like expand my awareness and knowledge of plants. So I appreciate them for that. Thank you so much.

26:51BubblemanThat's what they do for us too. So it's all good. Yeah. Just putting us on track.

26:58SpeakerYeah. It's very much so reciprocated. Everyone here is just feeding each other all that love. Sorry about that. Vibration. A lot of love and vibration. So it's very much so recycling.

27:10BubblemanWell, you know what? On that note, and I saw people in the, I was thinking it myself, but I just saw people in the chat room. I think it was Bingo Lombardi who said, I miss Wade's kind words on Hash Church. And I've been thinking about Wade and Sam so much lately. Yeah, I just want to shout those guys out and Thank you so much for joining us.

27:46BubblemanI've been holding Sam's ashes this morning since the show started. They've just been in my hand here. So rest in peace to Skunk Man Sam. May you become cannabis and resin all around the world and be smoked and get many, many, many people high. I know that was your dream and your wish. And I'm hoping on getting some nice skunk and haze to drop your ashes into my good friend and to produce some beautiful resin in your honor, which is...

28:17BubblemanWhich is what his wish was. So just wanted to say that. Shout out to him. Shout out to our friends. Shout out to Diana.

28:29SpeakerMuch love to Diana. I've been thinking about her as well. I know she hurt her shoulder recently and things. Yeah, sending love. You know, on that healing mission on multiple levels, as well as Monica. So, you know, always thinking about the family members that are left behind as well, as much as the journey of the deceased and that spiritual path, always thinking about, you know, Colin as well.

28:53SpeakerThere's been a good amount of loss in the family. So I appreciated all their words, of course. And I know maybe we don't mention Wade quite as much since he left. So I'd also like to just Point out how incredibly moving his voice was and his intention. And we also remember first meeting up with him and just hearing about the healing train of how cannabis kind of turned from everyone wants to talk about, oh, it's high THC, harder than ever.

29:24SpeakerWhen you were 70s, it was nothing. But then that time of CBD and Ringo and that whole thing of that coming in was it did change the cannabis industry and changed the channel. I changed the channel. Click, click, click. Thanks, Wade. And, you know, as never did he open his mouth and everyone wasn't listening, you know, so. And we always think of the word legend as something from the past, but these are legends of the future.

29:50SpeakerA lot of their words are going to even make more sense in the future than What they made sense to us as they were currently coming out of their mouths. I really feel like a lot of the work that Skunk Man Sam did is so futuristic that we're not even going to catch up to him maybe even until after we pass. I love that these two men are legacies of the future and guaranteed Wade's words are the same and the way that he pieced them together and the way that he drew heartstrings are words that, you know, a lot of people only in the future will truly be able to resonate with.

30:32SpeakerSo I'm super thankful for them.

30:35Etienne FontanYeah, well, that picture I showed was Sam in the garden there in South Africa at the Jazz Farm. So he is continuing to grow and share his love with the world as well as a reminder. We're also working on having a side event. At the United Nations to honor Wade and the work that he did and to celebrate the work that he did and that will be with a side event in March at the official UN meeting in Vienna, Austria.

31:06BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, I miss them so much. I don't think it would be inappropriate to share a little Wade video right now. One of my favorites. I'm going to put it up and pick your time, roll a joint. It's about eight or nine minutes.

31:23Etienne FontanI think it's worth listening to.

31:24SpeakerI've really been thinking about what is compassion?

31:35SpeakerAnd I think compassion is a verb. It's an action word. One can feel empathy for another person's situation.

31:50SpeakerAnd that's a beautiful thing. That's how we grow our hearts. That's how we grow our understanding of who we are and where we are in the world. But compassion comes into play When you do something about the suffering of another person. Yeah, compassion is a verb. I think my...

32:25SpeakerMy closing thing for me is to spend less time trying to figure out, you know, how and why things are the way they are and more time opening my heart to, hey, look at what's going on. And what, what can we do about it? Yeah.

32:51SpeakerSo I think I'm going to close on that to celebrate your life, to give thanks for who you are. However you can find that within yourself, give thanks for who you are. Because you're, you know, there's in the whole, whole wide world, There's like 8 billion human beings. And a billion is like a huge number. It's really not imaginable for any of us. That's how big it is.

33:25SpeakerBut there's eight of those human beings on the planet. And we're all pretty much the same. And yet when you get down to the nitty gritty details, there's not one of us that's the same as another.

33:42SpeakerAnd when you really consider that, you start realizing how important you as an individual really are. Because nature took the time to create a unique version of the human being, unlike any other of the eight billion. And that could appear wasteful. But in fact, there's an artful grace to it all. So trust, trust, love yourself. That's all I got. I will say this, that if the only thing that's constant is change, it's a really good idea to get used to that idea, to go with it instead of trying to fight it.

34:29SpeakerBecause, well, there's another nice image. And I think this one's really relevant in romance. If you have a relationship that you really love, Treat it like a butterfly sitting in the palm of your hand. And if you keep your palm open and in the sun and be careful about how you relate to that butterfly, because again, this is a precious and beautiful thing that we're talking about here, a romantic relationship that not only works, but fulfills you and your partner.

35:12SpeakerThis is not an easy thing to do achieve. But if you happen to have that, you know, you can view it as a butterfly sitting in your hand. And as soon as you try and close your hand, if the butterfly can, it will fly away. But if it can't, you'll crush the wings. Of this being that you love so much. And what's. What I've come to realize for myself is that it's way too easy.

35:47SpeakerTo crush the wings of someone you love. And they might. Recover from it or come back. But I really encourage. Anyone who cares about this sort of thing to. Recognize that yes, you will change.

36:08SpeakerThings in your life that you enjoy now, that will change.

36:14SpeakerAnd, you know, if you play your cards right, the change might be something you really love and appreciate and enjoy, because that's certainly possible. That's certainly possible.

36:30SpeakerYeah, I'm going to stop there. Enjoy what you have. And, uh, Celebrate it. Be grateful. I think it makes.

36:45BubblemanI want to stop that there because I want to save the last half of that video. And thank you to Ed who made that video and compiled all those videos together. I want to save it for the end of Hash Church and let Wade close out Hash Church as we always let him. And gosh, that gets me teary eyed. And it just makes me think this perspective of.

37:09BubblemanThe humanness and the love that seems to be integrated into one particular way of growing cannabis that seems to be at a at a different level than the others which seems to be this living soil you know this it's almost this living love and when you hear the dragonfly and the the chas and the the wades speak about it you can you can kind of feel it in your heart you know it's not quite the same You know, it was a bunch of gangsters going and buying like salt newts and growing up some cannabis.

37:47BubblemanIt's a little bit different. And yeah, I just felt that deep in my heart listening to Wade. I needed that actually this morning. I haven't heard Wade's. I miss Wade. I really, really miss Wade.

38:01Etienne FontanIt's okay to miss him. He was a wonderful spirit and taught all of us. And yeah, He shared a lot of himself and his truth, and his truth rang true with many of us. And I'm thankful he was here. I'm thankful he was able to share his wisdom. I'm thankful we were able to be able to hear him because we hear him even clearer now in his absence.

38:32Etienne FontanAnd if you didn't realize how special he was before, you see the impact that he has had on all of us. And I was proud to call him friend. I was proud to I served alongside him at the, you know, at the work that we were doing at the Veterans Action Council because he was a key spokesperson to that because of, you know, we were, you know, working on things and he felt that even though he was homebound, he was able to achieve something.

39:03Etienne FontanAnd I felt proud to be able to have a platform that allowed him to do that and humbled that he was able to come along and teach us And to continue to teach us. So nothing but love and respect to you, Marcus.

39:20Etienne FontanWe're right to miss him. He was so special. And it's okay to cry. It's okay to mourn. It's okay to miss. But at least we had him. Fuck, we were so lucky.

39:32Collin PalmerYeah, Marcus, I mean, I was thinking about him the other day. It's ironic for you to bring him up like this because... We're so lucky to have that wisdom and The things that he showed up for, you know, in life were just all inspiring. So it's natural to feel that way.

39:52BubblemanI mean, not even that, just the fact that he was willing to spend so much time with us at the end of his life, you know, like coming on to church every week when, of course, all of us were, he's going to make it, we're going to, you know, Wade's going to get healthier. But in reality, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

40:29BubblemanAll of the viewers as well, which was, yeah, he touched a lot of people and we don't have to ever forget him. We always get to remember him. And I've got so much great footage of him talking on Hash Church over the last seven or eight years or however long, because he came on quite a while ago as well. So lots of good, lots of good memories of Wade.

40:53BubblemanMonica is in the chat right now. He so loved being on Hash Church. You guys gave him so much. Well, he sure gave us a lot as well as did you, Monica. I'm glad you're here. I sent her a little text letting her know, hey, we're all crying in Hash Church talking about Wade. We were showing some videos of Wade. I will show more videos of Wade.

41:13BubblemanI will show that video that I had. It's about a 10 minute collage of videos that Ed put together for us. And there's about four and a half minutes left of that. So I'll put that on as the closing statements of Hash Church. Did you know Wade, Russ?

41:30SpeakerYou know, I was going to mention that. No, I didn't really know Wade. You know, I sort of remotely watched it. But I'll tell you this, as I get older, I don't know, I have a reverence for The old timers. And there's something, people need to go back and listen to those clips because there's such deep wisdom in what he's saying. It's, you know, especially for someone who's knowing the end is near, there's such a deep, Thank you so much for joining us.

42:30SpeakerFor lack of a better word, the more true path forward. We're so caught up in this material world of possessions and me, and there's this essence to what Wade is describing. It's almost like a Christ-like essence of what it means to be human, to care for others. It's like caring for the plant. It's like this...

42:54SpeakerSomething outside of you that you're caring for, but it brings something back in return. I don't know. I'm kind of rambling here, but you know.

43:04Etienne FontanRuss, you also carry his torch. You know, what you've been doing with CHA for years has been educating. And that's one of the things that Wade implored is to expand your mind and education was still key because there's still unfortunately a lot of ignorance out there. So, Thank you for carrying that torch because that's not easy to do. I've been doing it for 30 years and not at the level that you're doing it.

43:32Etienne FontanAnd that's commendable because, you know, that's something that still has to happen and it's still done one person at a time. And that's one thing. That Wade was key on, you know, we're still affect each other one person at a time. And you just have to take that time and energy to share and respect to you for stepping outside of your comfort zone because you've been sharing for decades.

43:55SpeakerAnd we've been really enjoying your content and your speaking and your conversations. And I mean, it's... It's powerful. It's clever. We are often like in the same mindset as you. So it's a nice validation. And it's also new ideas to think about. So yeah, big up. Appreciate it. Well, it's like, you know, it takes a village to raise a child. And if we're all here together, you know, we're sort of raising the children of earth, so to speak, of course, to like, you know, bring awareness and understanding of this connection that we have as humans to step outside of this capitalistic driven model and follow the higher path, which is unity and connection and reverence for nature and life.

44:42SpeakerAnd it's really great. I'm Thankful for Wade for being, you know, all that he is. And it's just, we'll keep going. We'll carry it on.

44:50BubblemanMonica says, I think Wade showed us how to transcend the transactional tendencies we can have around love and compassion. He embodied unconditional love. For me, it was his bravery and his courage of facing the end of Not curled up under a blanket, but like publicly on a camera. And you know, the more his voice got weaker, the stronger his message became.

45:25SpeakerYes, that's a great message. Yes, agreed. I feel like I would try to follow the same path. Like at the end, you try to give everyone as much info as you can about what you've experienced.

45:37BubblemanWe're all going out, right? We're all going to go out. And a lot of us are afraid, whether consciously or subconsciously, what's scarier than the game ending, right?

45:45SpeakerI will say this, just on a side note, I have been, I don't know why, but incredibly fascinated with NDEs, these near-death experiences. And for anyone that's interested, if you just go on YouTube, you can watch hundreds of testimonies. It's the most fascinating thing. It will really change your perspective on the continuity of consciousness. It's a fascinating thing to watch.

46:10BubblemanI've seen some of what you're talking about, and it definitely is fascinating. It's wild to see people wake up. You've had one, eh, ATN?

46:19Etienne FontanOh, yeah. I died in 91 during the Operation Desert Storm when I got my knee ripped backwards. I went into a heat stroke, my third one in country, and I died. I flatlined. Really? Yeah, I came to on the helicopter and I almost punched the medic, poor guy, because I didn't know what was happening now, which is weird because I could hear absolutely everything going on around me.

46:48Etienne FontanIt was completely surreal from when they picked me up and put me on the helicopter. I could hear it. But when I consciously woke up, I had no idea where the fuck I was. And what had happened. And yeah, I was out for a solid 10 minutes or so. And it was just black. Didn't see or hear anything except what was around me. And then they got my heart going again.

47:15Etienne FontanAnd then I woke up and it changed my life completely. I mean, that's one reason why I've dedicated my life to cannabis because I don't really have that fear of death anymore. I didn't have that fear of going to jail anymore because I knew what was worst could happen. I'm going back to the void. And I grew up Catholic. I grew up, my brothers and sisters are heavily Mormon.

47:40Etienne FontanAnd I'm, you know, I'm an agnostic atheist. Just through my life and experiences and that death experience, I did not meet or see anything. And when the chaplain came to talk to me about it, he got a stern fucking ear and went away not happy because I was coming to terms with what had happened. And I still think about it and try to come to terms with it.

48:05Etienne FontanI know it's going to happen again, as you said, Marcus, and it's coming for all of us. And I consider my second rebirth that chance. And that's why I took the risk that I have. And, you know, Berkeley Patient Group turns 26 years old this week. So, you know, it's all so about stepping outside of your fear. And once you can get past death, Anything's achievable, right?

48:34BubblemanYeah, it's definitely a heavy narrative story that we tell ourselves. And I never myself died, but I definitely left my body in a psychedelic high. And for me, that was all I needed. My father, who passed away in a motorcycle accident 20 years ago, because he didn't die the same way as say wade he didn't have any time to say all the words wade got to say his words were ended extremely abruptly and for me that was pretty crushing i i was unable to deal with it aside from the fact that my consciousness had existed outside of my body and that brought me such comfort in knowing that okay so my dad Thank you for joining us.

49:49BubblemanThat's beautiful.

50:20BubblemanYeah, you know, that's what we're trying to do here. The whole reason, someone said today, I can't believe Hash Church has been on for 11 years. First of all, Hash Church was not planned. There was no plan for Hash Church. YouTube sent me an email saying, hey, you now qualify to go live. And this was like 11 years ago before you could go live on social media, unless you were on the Kik app, which is Q-I-K-K.

50:43BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

51:05BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

51:31BubblemanIn that moment, 9 a.m. on a Sunday morning, I just punched in Hash Church. It was completely a fluke. And then for it to happen the way it happened and to, you know, I like the idea of my YouTube channel. And I'll be honest, I was building my YouTube channel for me. I was building it for me and for my business and to see what I could do and what I could make.

51:53BubblemanAnd when Hash Church came along, I started thinking, maybe it's not about you. You know, maybe you're a vessel. Maybe this isn't about you. Maybe there's a really, some incredible people out there that you could be offering a platform to. And I was like, well, I don't have much of a platform. I've done one live video. So the first live hash church, I just sent out links on my social media to anyone who saw them could come in.

52:18BubblemanAnd it was neat. Within three hash church, I had a panel of people who have been coming online. For 11 years, like, I don't know how it happened. So thank you all for, first of all, watching Hash Church, being a part of Hash Church. And, you know, 11 years later, and we're still bringing in new folks, you know, like, it was so exciting to invite Russ on.

52:39BubblemanI was like, Oh, my God, like, there's so many incredible people. And when I don't look for it, and when I don't avidly search, and I will say, I got to give it up to Skunk Man Sam, because no one Research the cannabis industry and the cannabis community like Skunk Man Sam. He knew everything that was going on at all times. He had his finger on the pulse.

52:59BubblemanHe never had blinders on. His blinders were pulled back as far as they could be pulled back. That's what 100 hits of acid will do to you. And they just they just couldn't be put back on. And that was one of the things I took from Sam was to to just when I first met Sam, he was very strong ego. He was very like. I mean, to the point of almost rudeness, you know, like if he wanted to talk to you and there was someone talking to you already, he would step right between you, put his back right to the person and talk to you.

53:30BubblemanAnd it was a bit shocking. I had never kind of witnessed that level of rudeness in public before. But as I got to know Sam, I realized it was just how his how his brain operated and he wasn't really trying to be rude. It's that he was on this mission to collect as much data and information and and experience as possible. And anything that was going to slow that down had no time.

53:53BubblemanHe had no time for whatsoever. Of course, he became much softer in his older age and he became much more open. But that was part of the allure when I met Sam that no one really knew him and that it was such a small group of people and getting invited to his apartment was like, you know, people like you're going to Sam's apartment and I was like, I guess so.

54:13BubblemanI don't know. The whole thing was just like a movie, really. And here we are, you know, all these years later, still, still writing the script. So thank you all for being in the movie. And Dr. Mark, welcome.

54:29BubblemanWith your fish hat on. Hey, what's going on? He was studying chemistry.

54:35Dr Mark ScialdoneI was just, I was on mute. How's it going, everybody? Yeah, it was like pushing back tears when I was watching the Wade thing. So definitely, yeah, I mean, like the Joni Mitchell song says, right? Or you don't know what you got till it's gone. And you don't, I guess, you know, there's so many things in life. Like you look in the rear view mirror and I tell my kids all the time, if you don't learn from your, mistakes you're bound to repeat them and so yeah you find is that the more older people you talk to that just has have more wealth of experience the more you can gain from you know the elder statesmen that's why i think it was always in most cultures you respect your elders because If you're having problems, chances are they had problems too.

55:33Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they could probably, you know, teach you how to solve that.

55:38BubblemanBut yeah, I saw someone say a similar thing where it was like, the youth have to listen to the elder. And the elder have to listen to the youth. And when you have that set up in that full loop, that's the way it works best. It's not about only listening to the youth or only listening to the elders. It's just teaching and understanding that respect that it's a both way thing.

56:05BubblemanAnd of course, the elders have already been there. And so they have this incredible ability to share. But the youth are creating something the elder have never experienced. And if they want to stay, you know, with the finger on the pulse, much like Sam did, because he was always there. As old as he got, Sam was never not there. He was always right, right at the top of the, whatever it was.

56:28BubblemanIt could be chemistry, for God's sakes, Dr. Mark. He didn't have a PhD in chemistry. He collected PhD chemists to explain to him certain things.

56:37Dr Mark ScialdoneYou appreciate especially Marcus because you lost your father at such an early age and and i've you know seen this happen with you know other friends that i've known that have lost either parent i mean it's just it's so devastating to not have that that that role model in your life anymore and somebody that you know i i was my dad my mom and dad are both still alive my my dad is 89 my Mom is 88.

57:07Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, just to speak about this, we went and saw the new Springsteen movie yesterday. It was really, it was like, don't go to that movie expecting to see a biopic on the whole life of Bruce Springsteen from, you know, being a kid to growing up. This specifically is looking at that At that album called Nebraska, which came out after The River, but before Born in the USA.

57:36Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd he was a big superstar, you know, certainly he was on Columbia Records and there was just expectations that he would just turn out radio hit after radio hit. And he came out with this Nebraska thing. And what you learned from the movie was, yeah, he had a very troubled relationship with his dad growing up. I guess his dad was an alky and... You know, also, it was implied just in the movie that maybe he was abused, that he abused his, that his mother was abused and he was abused.

58:11Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, I mean, just going back to the relationship that you have with your father and your parents in general, I mean, Like you, you, when you first look out of the crib, right? We were all babies at one point, right? When we first look out of the crib and you see that, that person there. In fact, I think a lot of the first words that kids say is either dad, dad, dad, right?

58:35Dr Mark ScialdoneDad. I always thought it would be cool if it was dab, right? You could change the vernacular from baby's first words being dad to dab. But, you know, and being a father myself, what I can say is that it really changes your life as being that role model in someone's life. Very important. At least I think it's very, I mean, I grew up with very strong father figure, and I'm sure like some of you here on the panel probably grew up with strong father figures.

59:08Dr Mark ScialdoneMaybe you've lost fathers. I mean, the strongest. It becomes, again, somebody that you want to please. You want to do good in your life, and you want to be able to bring kids in the world because you're there to Please your parents in a certain way or like, you know, gain their respect as being, oh yeah, I was a little baby in the crib or the little toddler, you know, out on a driveway fumbling over the bike or, you know, learning Little League.

59:38Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, being a parent, as you know, Marcus, because you're a dedicated parent, it's an incredible, awesome responsibility. And having like people like Wade who, It's great to have other male role models in your life other than your dad. And I think maybe that's what you've learned because you lost your dad, right? So people like Sam and people like Wade, maybe we're sharing that elder wisdom that maybe you would have got from your dad if he was still around, right?

1:00:13Dr Mark Scialdone100%, 100%.

1:00:14BubblemanDiana would tell me, she probably told me three or four times. She'd pull me aside and she'd say, you know, you're the son that David never had. And I was like, well, he's the dad that I don't have right now. What a compliment to get. What a synergistic... Oh, dude, I mean, listen, I had no idea.

1:00:31Dr Mark ScialdoneSon you never had to the dad you never had. I mean, it's such a, it's a relationship that goes beyond, you know, just friendship, right? Because there's an inherent trust and you know, you can be yourself. You don't have to put on some facade or wear some ego. Thank you for joining us.

1:01:04Dr Mark ScialdoneI didn't realize how Springsteen was truly depressed. At least, I don't know, this is the way that the movie plays it, is that at that point in his career, he had been such a huge superstar that it was, you know, the typical story where they're alone. They're inside this fame bubble, right? Thank you so much for joining us.

1:01:51Dr Mark ScialdoneAs they released Nebraska. And without a tour or without any, you know, PR from CBS, it still got to number three on the charts. It was a huge success. They don't call them the boss for nothing. People thought it was weird because they were used to getting, you know, Jungleland and, and, you know, these huge radio hits. And here's this stripped down guy. And then what you learn, I guess, in the movie again, is that it was this troubled relationship that he had with his dad, which he just needed to pour out in a record.

1:02:24BubblemanSo full circle, Bruce Springsteen was one of my father's. All-time favorite musicians. I'm going to share a picture of my dad and my stepmom, Marie. It's a little bit blurry. They're out on the motorcycle, the very same motorcycle they passed away on, in fact. But this is prior to that. And it just makes me happy. I was like, you know what? I'll show a picture of my dad on Hash Church today.

1:02:46BubblemanAnd Boro, yes, I hear you. Your dad passed away when you were 18. He's like, we need to talk about Hash now. Enough of this. Enough of this about our past fathers.

1:02:57SpeakerWell, you know, I just wanted to take a second because I know that Monica is listening. And although, you know, we talk about weed coming on week after week and putting out the energy week after week and making it happen, that also, you know, is Monica being

1:03:21SpeakerAnd Monica, I just want to tell you, first of all, I love you. And I appreciate you for giving us Wade. I appreciate you for caretaking him to be able to help set him in front of the camera, to bestow his wisdom. You allowed us, Wade, with your support, with your love. With unbelievable compassion, empathy, fucking all of it. And I appreciate you so much. And so often we don't talk about the people and the caretakers, you know, who are dealing with people at death's door.

1:04:09SpeakerAnd it's a magical time. And I know for sure that you would never take it back for anything, nothing, nothing. And I know that. But you have shown us, and it's what I thought about week after week, every time you showed up, I would be like, wow, thanks, Monica. You've shown us so much through your caretaking of such an incredible, beautiful man. So thank you with all of my heart.

1:04:40BubblemanI will ditto that because I couldn't say it any better. Just give it a ditto.

1:04:46SpeakerAnd probably add it to Diana as well, because I would imagine she facilitated that as well in the same way. Absolutely. Yeah, much love to the community. And it's very important. That's what the thing is, like, maybe what we're learning here is just how important community is. We're biological creatures where we are the poly culture, you know, we are we're the mixture, like together, we become like a chord, you know, alone, we're just one note off in the distance, you know, together, we, we ring like a symphony.

1:05:19SpeakerSo I appreciate that. Absolutely.

1:05:24BubblemanMaybe some questions for Russ because he's our sort of special guest today in regard and you guys are here as well. So Regenerative Roots for Premium Hash. Chai emphasizes regenerative agriculture and cannabis. How can growers adopt, adapt soil building techniques like cover cropping or microbial inoculation to maximize volatile organic compound profiles? I call them VOCs instead of terpenes. Everyone says terpene profiles, but they're volatile organic compounds.

1:05:53BubblemanIf they were only terpenes, I'd call them terpenes. But yeah, profiles and resin production specifically for bubble hash extraction, you know?

1:06:03SpeakerWell, there's a lot to that. Let me think through this. Just give me... It's download. I'm getting the download. Just hold on. You know... The first thing that comes to mind is obviously like genetics are probably more important. Like you have like fat heads with narrow stems. You're like, that's going to be like the genetic of the plant is like probably more important than how, like what other things you do to cultivate these, the secondary metabolites or VOCs.

1:06:37SpeakerI like that. But you know, there's all sorts of, I mean, clearly like we're, Still at the very early stages of understanding the complexity of soil biology. And there's, you know, obviously more biology in the soil allows for the proliferation of the root exudates to communicate and like send signals, right? So building organic matter is huge. Like obviously they have really cool soil building blends of organic matter.

1:07:09SpeakerWhat's that one company called? It'll come to me in a minute. But if you look up, I think it's Peaceful Valley Soil Building Mix. There's a really good cover crop blend. It's full of all sorts of nitrogen fixers and legumes that are really great at soil building. It's, yeah, soil building blend. Cover crop. So, you know, there's those types of things. There's a really fascinating, you know, I haven't done it, looked at it in a few years.

1:07:39SpeakerI kind of went hard on it. I feel like around COVID time, that pandemic totally just, you know, threw everything for a weird quantum loop. But companion planting other herbs like yarrow or Hammamil, these other companion panting plants are now being shown to release phenolic compounds in the soil that interact with the cannabis root exudates or plant roots. And they're supposed to stimulate secondary metabolite production. So I think there's like a huge world of possibilities associated with Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:08:50SpeakerLet me think. Yeah, you're on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Dragonfly probably has some interesting perspective on this. I mean, like their their blends have herbs in them. I've always felt that adding, you know, ground up herbs like lavender and things like that into the soil have always been a fascinating interest of mine. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of biodynamics.

1:09:20SpeakerYeah, there's a lot to unpack there with how you approach that. I don't exactly know where to start. They're specifically asking for increasing trichome production for bubble hash. Is that like the end goal? All of the questions.

1:09:38BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Just to maximizing your profiles and resin production specifically for washing. Exactly. I guess it doesn't have to be exactly washing. It could be any sort of process processing extraction process where you're you're not necessarily growing for bud structure or for vegetative weight, but you're just growing for, you know, the best expression. I think your answer was amazing because you started it somewhere. I didn't really think you would start it, which was very humble.

1:10:05BubblemanYou gave like so much Thank you so much for joining us.

1:10:15BubblemanAnd so starting with the right genetics is obviously going to make a huge, you know, and it is true. Like I'll tell you, my first crop ever, I started with the wrong genetics. My buddy gave me this Ruder Ellis. I was like, Ruder Ellis, that sounds amazing. This is my first grow ever. In fact, my roommate took a picture of this grow, called it, it was with a Fuck, this is awesome.

1:10:39BubblemanThis is aging me. It was with a Polaroid camera because he was terrified to go get it. The picture was developed because we were in the Bible Belt and we would have gone to prison, not jail, prison. And so we grew this rooter Ellis from seed that a buddy of mine gave me. And... He took a picture of it with the Polaroid he wrote somewhere in rural Manitoba and he sent it off to High Times Magazine and it was the 1995 November issue, the last issue that Jerry Garcia was on the cover of of High Times Magazine.

1:11:17BubblemanAnd that our plant, if you remember High Times, people used to mail in their little pictures of their grows and it would be like one page of just like my grows. It wasn't called my grows, but it was called something. And that was a big fucking deal for us. Even though the weed was bunk and I doubt, I'm sure my roommate still smoked it because he was like that.

1:11:36BubblemanHe wasn't going to not smoke that weed. I definitely did not smoke that weed. I don't think it had THC in it. It was like fucking... It was just like it started flowering under like 24 hours of light. Like this shit was like not the best stuff to grow. So I really heard you, Russ, when you said the most important thing is to start with the right genetics, which is why I'm asking you now, Brian, tell me about that skunk.

1:12:06Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh, hey.

1:12:08BubblemanHow's it going, best friends?

1:12:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's going well. Thanks for having me. Nice hearing from Russ. Definitely agree, at least for step one, where you could be like the best at anything or have the best soil practices. And if you don't have the right genetic, then it's hard to or impossible to come in there.

1:12:26BubblemanDo you and Russ know each other?

1:12:29Bryan Best Friend FarmsA little lightly, I believe, through Instagram. Good, good. I recognize him and I love seeing everything that I see that he does and seems like one of those bright lights out there. That's what I felt like. Yeah, that's a good energy, too. But just now. Hey, Russ. Hey, Brian. Nice hearing from you. Yeah, so got this little cool genetic project with my friend here up in northern Maine that he, I've mentioned it on Hash Church a couple times, but it's a 1987 skunk number one.

1:13:03Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo it just kind of matched up with what Skunk Man was saying about the last year that the roadkill or the raunchy skunk went out and I didn't know that, but it was interesting how my friend that I've met a couple of years ago and wasn't in the know, but that info came out and it just happens to be a 1987 that he found in a Ziploc bag back in the day from a grow that got bustled.

1:13:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd he's a really cool, you know, like plant keeper person, I would put it. So I went backwards. What I'd say is we went forward, we pushed forward to go backwards. So went to like an old 87 Skunk 1 and then a Chem 91. And yeah, so we'll see what comes out of it. But I crossed up a gas mask and what I call a GX4, which is one part GMO and three parts gas mask mail.

1:13:56Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd a great Smucker F1 mail.

1:13:58BubblemanHe sent me the Ganjir journal. He said, he's like, look at this. I scored the highest on the Ganjir journal. I got 100% for that 1987 Skunk number one.

1:14:08Bryan Best Friend FarmsHe gets excited. He's a really cool person.

1:14:11BubblemanThat's pretty cool though. I mean, come on, dude. Yeah. Keeping it 100? Holy shit. Yeah. He said, he said, yeah, you know, Brian's mentioned me on Hash Church a couple of times, but I'm, I'm super low key.

1:14:27Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, he's older than me and he's up in the woods, but he's definitely a, Kirk is a cool, really cool caring person too. He has that like true love for the plant connection that you can feel in some people and just popped up, you know, random meeting in the community that we have here, but he's got a big heart and, I thought it was really cool to push this project forward to kind of turn it backwards at the same time again and and with this idea of like restoration these these two types were are very classic it's definitely the cut or clone from the night the true chem 91 And really, I haven't dug in deep, but it's from what everything I've seen and you showed me a little bit, but he's kind of, you know, holds it pretty tight with the skunk one.

1:15:12Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I think that we'll see some, I'd like to see some amazing stuff to come. We're just going to be testing out the F1s to see if it's worth kind of, Going back in to recreate with my next G line and carry generation of gas masks next year and maybe create some more, you know, population for people to actually get some of these to try if the first F1s work out to be something really cool.

1:15:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsAwesome.

1:15:35BubblemanI'll tell you, you know, I really think prohibition and the prohibition mentality of how much I can get and how fast I can get it was also altered by these funky, incredibly loud thiol and thiolate compounds like the N-butanethiol-1, which is found in the skunk. Actual skunks produce that in their anal glands. I think there's three particular thiols that they create to make that smell, but N-butane thiol one is definitely one of them.

1:16:06BubblemanAnd I feel that, you know, we used to always call Renee, which was definitely had strong thiols in it, pot to get you busted because it would just get you busted. It would just, you'd be at a hotel, you're kicked out. You'd be like riding your bike down the street, you're under arrest. It's like, you can't put it in a car. And so Prohibition really like you had to kind of like, oh, do I want to have the loudest shit?

1:16:28BubblemanLike it's so loud. And now that we're not so worried about smell, I mean, the best thing ever that came from Whatever you want to call legalization. I don't want to get into the political debate of arts. We need decrim. We don't need this. Listen, all I care about is people having access, much like Skunk Man Sam. I'm less concerned with who profits from it. But that access immediately took away the police's ability to search based on smell.

1:16:56BubblemanCannabis is legal. The police can't come to my door, knock on my door and go, oh, we smell weed in your house. We're going to now have free entry. That's done. That's over and done with. So now we can start digging back into these thiol and thiolate-based cultivars that are just so, so, so rank. And I can't even explain it. It's like I used to call them alcohol-soluble terpenes.

1:17:20BubblemanThat's what I thought they were because when I washed my plants, they didn't stay in the water. The hash smelt as loud as the flower. And I was always confused by that because the first hash Thank you for joining us.

1:17:55BubblemanThat were specific to washing because obviously if you put a plant in water and it just and then you know people will be like oh it's it's solventless because the water's not acting as a solvent it's like well then why is the water brown or purple or whatever color it is if it's not acting as a solvent well it's not acting as a solvent for the trichomes I'm like right but it is the universal solvent that's always acting as a solvent you can't really you know pick and choose that Although, thank God it didn't steal the heads, it took me a while to figure out finding cultivars that go all the way through.

1:18:30BubblemanNow, 25 years later, I mean, if you go to Masters of Rosin in Los Angeles or Legends of Hash, nine out of 10 of the entries will have that loud sort of what I'm now probably incorrectly calling thiol based. Maybe I'll learn something in five years from now and realize, yeah, that's like the alcohol soluble terpene thing. Not really correct, but I knew something was going on because of how much water hash I had made and what a disappointment it was to have a really nice flavorful plant Wash through and then the resin just not taste like that at all.

1:19:03BubblemanSo, you know, the last 20 plus years has been people breeding cultivars that, you know, do have those loud compounds in them that are not necessarily going to wash out. They're going to stay all the way into the final product, which, oh my goodness, I think I'm going to hit the last little dab of that right now. Look at that. That looks good. Oh my God, it's good, dude.

1:19:28BubblemanLet me tell you.

1:19:29Bryan Best Friend FarmsMarcus, I'm seeing, or I don't know for us, other people out there doing some breeding. I've caught on to something happening where almost like the opposite effect We'll see you next time.

1:19:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you for joining us.

1:20:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo it seems everything to go back to with it, like it's got other presences or box, you know, checker things, but it's basically an amplifier where anything you put on it for the right, you know, expression outward, you know, from the generations outward that they just, some of them really grab on to what they already had. And then they just turn up the dial almost, you know, double up the smell.

1:20:49BubblemanTurn up the dial at GMO garlic, that oniony garlicky goodness. Yeah.

1:20:56SpeakerHave you looked at abstracts information on that? That's fascinating because all their stuff is fascinating. It might be just, I don't know, but the thiols are the sulfur compounds. So they have this whole category of can of sulfur compounds. And I think maybe within that whole field, there are other profiles that are connected.

1:21:21BubblemanYou're definitely correct. How that started for us on Hash Church. And I don't know how we met Nick, but we met this brilliant man, Nick Ziegler. And Nick decided he was going to come on Hash Church. And Nick worked for Yakima Chief Hops, extracting like 4,000 kilos of hops every hour through this like $10 million Tor CO2 machine that he helped set up and run. He had an incredible analytics team.

1:21:46BubblemanWho Jerry rigged some equipment together and created the ability to, you know, monitor down to these, these files, which were well beyond down to the billionth, which NMR does as Dr. Mark knows. And they, so they, we wanted to do a, he came in and he started talking about files. He talked about the 1400 plus files that he and his team discovered in hops at Yakima Chief Hops.

1:22:09BubblemanAnd so I had never spoken to anyone like Nick who had exact knowledge of what all of these compounds actually smell like by themselves, because all of us, we're just smelling profiles. And then assuming, oh yeah, that's the so-and-so. It's like, well, that's the so-and-so mixed with everything else. But I bet you if you removed everything else and only smelt the so-and-so, it would be very different.

1:22:31BubblemanSo Nick was the first one to come in with that kind of knowledge. Not long after, maybe a year later, Dr. Mark was reaching out, our Thank you for joining us.

1:23:10BubblemanThat was a banger. The Volatile Organic Compound Show with Ian from Abstract. Nick is on that show. Jeremy Plum is on that show. Dr. Mark is on that show. Unfortunately, Marshall Laguerre was unable to make it. He worked at, I believe... Steve Marshall is also a PhD. He worked at Yakima Chief Hops with Nick and he is a sensory scientist. So I love listening to this guy talk really even just about the SOPs.

1:23:37BubblemanBy the way, I can put you in touch with any of these people if you need direct contact. He really, yeah, it was, it was incredible to just have the whole conversation come to be. And I feel like we only tipped the iceberg. There was some amazing things shared. I think missing Marshall was a bummer because his perspective of sensory science and how you prepare to do the sensory science leading in just those SOPs to follow.

1:24:03BubblemanSo that it's done correctly to me was super interesting. I found it just like wild. But that was probably one of our best shows that we did this year. And so hopefully we'll keep traveling with that and taking it to the next. Maybe there's other groups that are going to start working on this and we'll Thank you so much for joining us.

1:24:39BubblemanIt's going to be hard to understand, but if you have like a three to four hour podcast that you could watch on it, then it's a little bit easier for people to consume. But absolutely awesome.

1:24:51SpeakerI'm totally fascinated with all that discovery. I've been trying to condense it. I haven't done in a while, but I have some posts trying to like condense all because we just call it Terps. You know, it's like the nomad. It's like Terps, but it's like actually there's this like whole huge class, multi-class system of secondary metabolites. So. It's really cool. It's just one side point with Brian.

1:25:12SpeakerI do notice that there's some strains that don't smell. They don't have a lot of volatiles in the flower. It's subdued. But then when it comes out in the hash, it's like amplified. And I don't know what that is, but it is fascinating. I don't understand. I can't explain to you the science.

1:25:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's really interesting. Oh, sorry to interrupt.

1:25:35BubblemanNo, you're not. I said, go ahead, Brian. You're not interrupting. Dude, you're like the quietest guy in Hash Church. When you open your mouth, we'll let you talk.

1:25:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsSometimes, thank you. Now, when I was actually helping with Hidden Forest get their dragonfly, right, I went around the yard and he's got the, Hunter's got these amazing types he showed me. I caught onto it first there where he's gone pretty deep and he has a great collection and he's like walking, showing me these types, you know, that were amazing, look so healthy, look so good. And then, you know, excited about the smell, I'd go in and that was actually a little bit subtle, right?

1:26:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, where I've bred for, I do both more hash, you know, leaning these days, but I love really, really profound flower types. Like the Laugh Now Cry Laters is close to, I think, a 5%, you know, for a terp fraction when it was tested. So I like some of those screaming loud ones. That but the learning curve with it of seeing like he makes they make some of the most amazing hash and it comes out so ripe on the other end, which is it's, you know, I'm starting to catch on to it myself when I'm selecting out in the yard or paying attention to the generations of the breeding.

1:26:46Bryan Best Friend FarmsTo where some of them wear that, you know, you'd think grab you right up front for that, you know, popping smell, which they do. But then there's almost maybe like see how it washes out before, you know, thinking it's going to just be in the trash.

1:27:01SpeakerI wonder if it's like, is it maybe a wax or lipid layer around the trichome head that's thicker that's preventing the volatilization? Perhaps. I don't know. It's like the new hash varietals all act that way. Not all of them, but I find that in the new kind of drier trichome. I feel like it's more protected and it's at the hash moment when it like fully unveils itself with flavor because it's like 10 times stronger as hash, you know.

1:27:30SpeakerYou talking about hash or live hash rosin? I'm talking personally about cured hash.

1:27:36BubblemanYeah. Good. Because a lot of people are calling live hash. Go ahead. Sorry.

1:27:42SpeakerWell, I'm just saying it does happen with rosin as well as far as the flavor expansion.

1:27:48Collin PalmerYou know, Russ, one thing that you said that strikes me is, you know, when I notice resin that's been grown with a lot of available sugars throughout the life cycle of the plant, there's a lot more wax on the membrane itself and it seems to translate better through processing. So that's, again, back to living soil and why it's so unique. It's Thank you so much for joining us.

1:28:22SpeakerBefore we just come to the automatic conclusions of like first good genetic and then good breeding practices, I wanted to bring it full circle and, you know, to have a look at the possibility of it actually being a loop because we all know that we've been given in the past maybe the best seeds and the best genetics that you've ever seen and other people And then maybe, you know, or that you've ever, but then you take that to a system, to a soil, to whatever that really doesn't bring out the ultimate plant, not even a little bit.

1:29:04SpeakerAnd I know for us, we could really see that huge difference in growing Amazing genetics in amazing soil systems and even throughout the years of our own genetics changing and getting better and better and better because there's an interaction Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:30:00SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:30:28SpeakerAre you looking at the extracts? You're also looking at the COAs. This is the same exact cut. And then the way that it's grown is so completely volatile. And relevant. And relevant that it's really amazing. The difference is you could easily not even think that it was from the same cut by looking at the COAs or smelling it. It's true. It's a, it's a spiral. It's a spiral.

1:30:56SpeakerAll you have to do is change a few little things. Yeah. We have a cool genetic project with Russell that we've done in the Frenchies grapes line, which is a cool thing. And I feel like we energetically put energy into the trichome and to the crystal and And inadvertently that goes into the seed as well because we know the seed is also storing soil microbes in it.

1:31:26SpeakerSo I always love the idea when we put our seeds out to the world, our soil microbes are then going into the soil. So there's a very large... Exchange there. So go ahead. There's something really cool about that. What Kelly and Josh are describing, the idea of endophytes that are stored in the seeds, right? There's like microbes from them, from their location that are stored in this genetic coding in the seed.

1:31:53SpeakerAnd when that seed is planted, it has some of this like pre-coded, you know, interaction with those microbes that can be facilitated And it's a really cool process. The endophyte stored in seeds and their relationship to how they're sprouted and the own end of, you know, soil microbial relationships that potentially over time change the epigenetic expression of plants is also nothing to be scoffed at. It's a very powerful process.

1:32:23SpeakerAnd I think that's some of what they're describing. Yeah. I think the end of fungite bacteria discussion is probably the undiscovered area. Guaranteed. In Canada still, we've definitely hit on it. There's like the Dr. James Wright or what the fuck, I forget his name, but he's amazing, you know, about the rhizosphere, about the rhizophagy cycle where the end of the root tips are really only bringing in beneficial microbes out of the soil, which is super cool to think about that it will not bring, you know, pathogens into its...

1:33:00SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:33:18SpeakerYou know, propagated, which is the biggest example of that is the yew tree with taxol. They used to take the taxol or the bark, which we said on this show before, but you get taxol from the bark of the tree and cure cancer. But then they realized it was they could get more of it from the endophytic I believe that was within the new tree. Yeah, like raising a kid to, you know, like we know that there's good minerals and things that you need to be feeding children in order to have good bones and teeth.

1:33:50SpeakerAnd if you're just feeding them a lot of processed stuff, then they're not really going to have nice teeth. That's pretty easy. You can see it in one generation. And that isn't even like. That's not even genetics. That's just epigenetics. That's like what's going on in the environment and how we realize that, you know, what happens on an everyday with those genetics or with that child, you know, is going to not only interject how their progression is in their own life, but also is going to You define what's going to happen with their future genetics.

1:34:32SpeakerSo I really think it's just so easy to look at all nature things, including ourselves, and be able to understand how easy this is to look up. And when we talk about endophytes, it's the same thing as talking about our own microbiome. And that's even like our cellular microbiome. So

1:34:52BubblemanI just was going to add in regards to growing plants, different plants, different ways, or the same plant, right? Kelly was mentioning how people were given the same plant. Well, we did, one of our customers did a little experiment from Grandmaster LEDs, and they grew the same plant, same, it was the same cut off the same mother. It was all the same nutrients. It was the same, everything on the indoor grow was the same, except the, um,

1:35:24BubblemanSo this is the exact same cut. It was substantially different in THC. The COA did not look the same because the plants were quite different. And that was just really removing one variable, which was the frequency or the spectrum of light that was used to grow plants. Those plants were in the same room. They were actually like just one table over. You know what I mean? So you can change the plants in a very vast way.

1:35:52BubblemanThe other thing I wanted to say, because we're well done from that part of the conversation, was this fungi intelligence. And it always reminds me how... I think it was a metaphor that Elon Musk used about the neural link when he first was like, oh, I'm going to create this neural link. And I was kind of like, oh my God, dude, like who the fuck is going to put that thing in their head?

1:36:11BubblemanYou know, thinking like a total privileged person with my full factor, everything working in my body. I didn't think that people who were, You know, that couldn't move, that could put one of these in their head and then they could start moving a mouse on a, I just, I wasn't thinking about that. But he had used this sort of metaphor that we have all this data and then we have this incredible brain, but then we have like a straw that we're sucking this information from.

1:36:39BubblemanAnd so he's working on that straw. That straw is the Neuralink. And so I'm thinking, wouldn't it be great for us to be able to have a similar thing For the fungi intelligence, if we could understand the fungi intelligence, the vast learning that would happen, because it's just tip of the iceberg stuff. Even the people that know the most about this stuff are in kindergarten right now.

1:37:02BubblemanWhen you really break down the complexities of this intelligence that is at play, sequestering compounds, doing all these incredible things. I mean, fungi is literally impossible. It's Thank you for watching. I'll see you next time.

1:37:31BubblemanIt's just like, oh, I can do that now. I can liquefy calcium through my hyphae. I've never been able to do that, but thanks for showing me, bro. And it just takes it. And it's like, okay, that's kind of goes against everything that we know in regards to how evolution works.

1:37:47SpeakerWell, you know, you've got to take the fungi. You've got to absorb the knowledge. So you take the mushrooms and then you get the knowledge. The lion's mane is the neural reconstruction, the psilocybe, chaga, the reishi, the shiitake, the cordyceps. You've got to take the fungi. You do, wasn't Terrence McKenna the one that was talking about the theory of evolution that once humans started taking mushrooms that there was the whole... Dude, I actually love that theory.

1:38:19SpeakerI actually, that's a great theory. That, yeah, the ingestion of, when they spread out onto the plains, there was animal dung and the mushrooms grew out and they took it. It's a great theory of the mind of the evolution. I love that theory. It's very plausible. We're in Prague right now, which is really special. And it's the land of alchemists and mystics. And what that really means is when we're learning.

1:38:50SpeakerSo trust me, I'm just here trying to figure it all out. But the kingdom of Bohemia was super magical at the time, because people that were getting burned at the stake and herbalists and And, and medicine makers and stuff were getting burned in different parts of Europe, getting hung, getting killed, but they could find refuge here. And the kingdom of Bohemia and Prague was the center of that.

1:39:14SpeakerAnd so alchemy and mysticism and really We've expanded here and we always hear about- Crystal Ball reading, tarot, palmistry. John Dee and Edward Kelly learn about that, but we were just like, why are they- Frequency neurology of our whole psyche. And then we were just learning that there is the woman who, the person who had invented the double boiler and alchemy and the whole entire, the first alchemist was a woman.

1:39:49SpeakerAnd it's nice to think about like women upholding that space of creation and healing for so many years and then it gets intellectualized and then it gets turned into latin and all of a sudden women are not even allowed to read at this point in time so you can't advance as a woman to be a teacher and a historical figure so we're kind of diving into that you know as well but it also It's just a nice reflection in our modern times to realize how we're alchemists of our time, you know, not to say that we're like John D and Edward Kelly, and we have every historical book in the world out of the libraries of every kingdom and palace in Europe.

1:40:30SpeakerYou know, that would be cool, but we don't have that. What we have is cosmic intelligence that we've learned through psychedelics and our own personal interaction with life, you know, and in our, We're all in this together. We're all in this together. We're all in this together. We're all in this together.

1:41:05SpeakerAnd realizing the roots of the Czech people, really, that alchemist root and that whole natural way of living really is kept alive here in the Czech Republic. And you feel it. It's different than other parts. Yeah, in Czechoslovakia. And I wanted to just like think back on what we were just talking about as far as fungi and the relationship and eating the fungi. I mean, really, if we just look at the human cell, it contains mitochondria.

1:41:37SpeakerMitochondria we know now is a living being. They say, oh, we got it from the air. It originated from the air and then somehow it just came through and all of a sudden it's in the cell and it went from some living form to some non-living form. It exudates, it multiplies. The intelligence of your mitochondria in every single cell is definitely defining. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:42:07SpeakerI'm so happy to be here.

1:42:29SpeakerWhen you walk away from a singular conversation, how fast can your mitochondria multiply to be able to access that adaptability? And I just think that Just looking at a cell if they say that we become you know once the cell separates and we're a zygote that that's the beginning of life well that's two cells separating and then creating more mitochondria it's just something that's just way interesting to me and that also is its own microbiome its own biome its own endophytic system is the single cell Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:43:31SpeakerMost of the time when it's coming from a message of truth, it's not just, oh, I believe in that. It's not just, oh, I resonate with that. It's, I remember that. Thank you for the reminder. And then we can all rise as a species. And I just think that that goes all the way down to the mitochondria. Just really quickly put up a couple of links. I put up a couple of links on the chat.

1:43:56SpeakerOne from Terrence McKenna in Prague says, I think in 1992, it's like two hours and some long. I think it's called the prognosis. And it's the whole entire, it's a collection of some of the greatest thinkers and minds in the world. And it's these super long, really cool conversations based in that, what we talked about, about the kingdom of Bohemia and alchemy, you know, and also, um, Mind expansion, you know, and then also I put up Mushroom, who we know as Mushroom, but his name's Alan Capular, and it's Man of Ideas, and it really shows the magic between our human bodies and the plant kingdom and how it's very much so the same organizms and how, you know, everything down from natural childbirth to

1:44:53SpeakerSeed germination, breeding. Yeah, and how like, you know, the organizm is found in the pond or found in the lens of our eye, you know, and it's just that whole connection that we really truly are of nature, you know, and that's the beauty of us. Yes, it's like as above, so below. The alchemist axiom. If anyone's interested in alchemy, they should look at a guy named Paracelsus.

1:45:17SpeakerHe was like the original OG. I think he came a generation before Edward Kelly, but Kelly studied him. But Paracelsus, P-A-R-A, C-E-L-S-U-S. Paracelsus is like a really cool alchemist, like a physician at heart, healing through intuition and plants. And there's just like this, what Josh and Kelly are describing is exactly what we all need to hear, which is like, We can reference science, but at the core of it, it's so complex that trying to understand it all is impossible.

1:45:51SpeakerAnd there's some level of cosmic intuition, a cosmic consciousness that if we allow it to come into us, it instills an intuition inside of us that we know, that we recognize, that we maybe seen before, felt before, understand as a higher truth. And there's something so underrated about that, but it's really powerful for us to at least acknowledge And follow. Yeah, the alchemy is a big one.

1:46:17SpeakerYeah, I think our job even as educators is not to teach, but to remind. I truly believe that. I think when we remind people, then that's what sparks their memory then to create a whole lineage of whatever they want to educate themselves on within that and I think that we all know what it's like to have somebody drop something on you and it expands within an instant.

1:46:48SpeakerAnd I just believe that that's like the ah moments are the reminders. And I think that the people in my life who have expanded that are those reminders. It reminds me of an old Taoist from the Tao Te Ching. There's a passage in the Tao Te Ching and it's like the master doesn't, He doesn't lead. He doesn't control. He just gets the people to do it themselves.

1:47:15SpeakerAnd at the end of the day, they're like, wow, we did it ourselves. Amazing. And then the master just sits back and smiles. And like, this is all. It's kind of like where you can only really heal yourself. Do you know what I mean? Like you are your greatest healer, even though there's doctors and there's herbalists and midwives and witches and all these things that, you know, are there to assist you.

1:47:38SpeakerBut they also can't teach you things because the greatest teacher is yourself. And you might have an interesting. No one can make you do anything. You make you do stuff. And going back to what Wade said, we're all so unique and individual. We might have something in us that is uniquely amazing that only we can express. And so it's a really powerful thing to recognize your own power and to assimilate knowledge, but then allow the expression of your own self and power and knowledge to come out.

1:48:13BubblemanThat's why the biggest attack is on authenticity.

1:48:33BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

1:48:53BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:49:08BubblemanTricombs. And if you zoom in on these, you'll see there's no straight lines. It's all dots. It's pointillism, right? It took them 110 hours of just doing dots. But if you look at a little closer up, you'll notice that Bubble Man's hood and sleeves and belt buckle are covered in alchemical symbols. This was done in 1999. So the belt buckle, which most people thought was a smiley face, it's actually the alchemical symbol for water, hash, filtration.

1:49:45BubblemanSo you've got the THC molecule that looks like a nose and eyes. You've got filtration, which it looks like a happy face. That's the alchemical symbol for filtration. A lot of people didn't catch that, but the odd person would reach out to me and be like, Dude, that's so fucking cool that you have those alchemical symbols on the bubble man. And so shout out to Shawn Michaels, my dear friend, who created that as a gift for my birthday in 1999.

1:50:11BubblemanAnd it's... I mean, you can't imagine spending 110 hours drawing something, you know, the focus of that. And that goes to show that Sean was doubling down on his authenticity. That's why that picture looks so incredible. It's so surreal. It's just like, it doesn't exist outside of the reality that Sean, you know, brought it into. And so shout out to him and shout out to Alchemy and shout out to Macon Hash because it is a beautiful thing.

1:50:41SpeakerTo marry the Jewess, which I just put on the chat as well, who is the first recorded alchemist from the third Alexandria. So the third century is like quite a bit farther away than the 14th century. She invented sublimation. Yeah, and the double boiler. Sort of. She invented the double boiler in the 200s. Remember, that's... It shows you there is this infinite loop happening here.

1:51:18BubblemanAbsolutely. And remember, history is often told by the people who won and is often a distant relative of... Yeah, so it's... Who knows? Man, alchemy could be around for 20,000 years.

1:51:32SpeakerOur history is so limited. We're doing transmutation of regular metals into gold. I mean, that's valuable metals. Yeah. I mean, but on top of it, there was like the whole, like to look into a crystal ball and summon spirits was called to be as to scray. And then you look into the crystal ball and you, you learn all this stuff and they call it remote viewing. What, what, what if the trichomes, the crystal ball?

1:52:01SpeakerOh, Oh, That would be, that's a good rabbit hole. It probably is. No wonder we're so attracted to it. I want to drop another thought. Look into my crystal ball. Exactly. What do you see? Got it. I also think that I'm believing now that like Prague and Paris and a lot of these really big, interesting cities, it's really difficult to look at time and space as linear, but I do believe it's a much older civilization or simulation Then even the pyramids, even anything going on down in South America.

1:52:49SpeakerSo I'm just wanted to flip that script a little bit as just an idea, just as a thought, because you calm down, you could look down like 18 blocks of the most unbelievable hugest stones that you've ever seen. And they're all not one millimeter. Out of line. And I mean, I could go on and on and on. And then the canals, oh, they just stopped the ocean to put in these perfectly linear, unbelievably cut stones that are weighed millions or thousands of pounds.

1:53:23SpeakerAnd I just wanted to, it would just be fun to put that out into the human minds about these cities that we walk around in actually being much, much, much older than we believe. It's out of time. Out of time, out of mind. Not out of mind. No, in mind, out of time. Anyway, it's, it is. It's like Terrence McKenna. Terrence McKenna has some theories, you know, like the epics, he's like the epics of time are repeating, you know, he does that thing.

1:53:54SpeakerYeah. It's like, it's like this, the time is like radial and it just like, it folds in on itself and then just is reborn and it just is like constant folding in and rebirth. So you're doing a Taurus there. You're doing a toroidal field there, which is awesome. They said that the Eiffel Tower was originally going to be a, Tesla type tower. Oh, trippy. That'd be wild.

1:54:17SpeakerAnd then they killed Tesla, broke the tower down. And then they just be like, oh, let's just build it for the World's Fair because the World's Fair is a trip thing. It looks like his Wardenclyffe Tower. It's the similar structure of the design. That's interesting. And there's a similar one here in Prague at the Petrin Hill, which is... Which we're going to go to now. Mimicked. You know, the Eiffel Tower.

1:54:41SpeakerAlso, Marcus, we're going to go see Kali Dodd, the brother that we met up when we saw in ICBC when we were in Berlin together, who's from this area. Also, a big love to Hannes and everyone here that we're going to be seeing and Rhea and all the people that are coming. And we're here for CannaFest. And Grove Bags and Lance. And thank you so much, CannaFest.

1:55:05SpeakerYou know, they continue to put on this event even when it wasn't popular. We talk a lot about not... popular things that we bring forward and if you continue out it then it can be something that people can sort of jump on to to become normalized well these guys are still putting on this amazing canna fest they've been doing it for a lot of years And now here we are in legalization.

1:55:28SpeakerI'll do it like Marcus was doing. But it is allocating people to be able to grow their own. And that's what we really love more than anything is to have and grow your own medicine. So people are able to do that and check. So we're going to go out and we're just going to give a lot of hugs and get hugs. And it's going to feel good to be in Prague.

1:55:50SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today. I'm so happy to be out here representing the plant and being a forever student of it as well. Yeah, and I just like to give my heartfelt, genuine appreciation for you all on this panel and everyone that's been on this panel and everyone listening as well, because it's just, It's just more than cannabis. It's super meaningful. It's deep. It's thoughtful.

1:56:14SpeakerIt's a different perspective. It's very magical. And I do hold it close to my heart. It feels super connected, you know, to all you. And we have had A lot of good times. I super look forward to more. I feel blessed to grow your genetics and have you grow ours and that whole storyline. I mean, we grew probably 20 varieties of the Frenchies grapes that we got from you this year, Chad.

1:56:40SpeakerWe had all fire. Russell, we had a whole entire greenhouse that we grew of Your genetics and the grape gags, the lemon cellos, the golden lemon juice. And we turn ash to fermented. The Z3, the honey bananas, the papaya honey bananas. I mean, it was fun, you know, in the Canal Street, the Canal Road Street runs was kind of silly and... Yeah. The Peach Rings and the Peach Perfection.

1:57:10SpeakerKiller. That's just off the top of my head. The Canal Street Run. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Okay, good. Yeah. Put the canal with the GM. Brian, I super want to grow the gas mask skunk. And I'm thinking about we'll do some of Skunk Man Sam with that. But also, we got genetics from Ryan as well, from Chimera that we that were from Skunk Man Sam. So it seems appropriate for us to put that into that as well.

1:57:40SpeakerSo we want to thank you all. Just wanted to get off too and have a wonderful Wonderful evening and thank you all.

1:57:48BubblemanThanks, guys. Enjoy Prague. Have a nice evening.

1:57:53SpeakerThank you so much. You guys are good people.

1:57:56BubblemanPeace, guys. That's what's up.

1:57:58SpeakerLove everybody who's listening. And I'm so glad to see Russell on here. Yeah, thanks so much for all the work that you've been doing and continue to do. And everybody else. Everybody. Big love. Love you guys.

1:58:11BubblemanYeah, what's kept you going, Russ? Is it just you just have this incredible passion for cannabis? Is that what you've got, the disease like the rest of us?

1:58:20SpeakerYeah.

1:58:24SpeakerYeah, you know, it's probably a multi, multi-fold, you know, synthesis of, for some reason, this plant is incredibly unique and special. It sort of flies. I don't like the government. It's just pretty obvious. I don't like their power structure and control. I don't like the pharmaceutical industrial matrix. I was pretty damaged by it growing up. It did nothing for me, really. And, you know, you have this plant, essentially, that is just like this cornerstone or the head of, you know, it represents, to me, it represents freedom.

1:59:10SpeakerIt represents sovereignty. It represents connection to the community. It represents medicine. It represents, it's like the denizen, it's like the... I delegate of all medicinal plants. It represents a whole world of knowledge of medicinal herbs that are put in place to optimize our health. And we don't necessarily need what's coming out of the pharmaceutical matrix to be healthy. And this plant to me is like sovereignty over self and community and like sovereignty over this like industrial matrix.

1:59:49SpeakerAnd that's what it sort of represents to me. And I hold that to be a very high, highly important position in my thinking. So that's kind of what it means to me.

2:00:00BubblemanYeah, I definitely have a lot of that in common with you. I wouldn't say that the pharmaceutical industry fucked me up a lot growing up.

2:00:11SpeakerYeah, it's all different. Like, it's good. It helped my father stay alive the last 20 years of his life.

2:00:16BubblemanYeah, no, I was still, I didn't like it for most of my life. As I got older, I like, for instance, both Wade and Sam, you know, were at the end of their life. They were, they were having to take these drugs to stay alive. And so I thought, you know what, I could see a different perspective of it. But yeah. I had a much more fearful and just like negative perspective.

2:00:37BubblemanI also was very similar. I mean, my family worked for the police and I was kind of like the black sheep, like smoking weed and learning to grow weed and like right in the house where they were like, you know, doing that's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, it happens all the time, actually. Like it's if you want to find the most corrupted youth, just go knock on the chief of police's door.

2:00:59BubblemanRight.

2:01:00SpeakerOr the pastor's child.

2:01:01BubblemanOr the pastor. Yeah, that son or daughter is getting into it. It's wild. It's incredible. It's probably why I can't say none of my kids, because my daughter does use cannabis a little bit, works in a dispensary, mostly drinks the drinks. But my son, my oldest son has definitely has not and my youngest son definitely has not. He's only 11. So, you know, sometimes what you're into becomes the opposite thing of what your kids are into.

2:01:28BubblemanYeah, that's right.

2:01:29SpeakerNo, my kids are 11 and 13 and they've been around me growing their whole lives and they just like don't have any interest. They're like, yeah. Stupid plant, whatever, like they don't have any interest in it. And I don't I keep it like I don't smoke in front of that. I don't make it like a obvious thing that I'm consuming it. I keep that like removed. And but they just don't seem to like be interested in it.

2:01:53SpeakerSo.

2:01:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsOkay.

2:01:54SpeakerYeah. Pharmaceutical industry is important in many ways, but for I think it's like it gets an A in external medicine surgeries. My son took six stitches in his right eyeball when he was two years old. It was incredibly powerful at healing, you know, like making that work. But when it comes to internal medicine and like longevity of just like diet, nutrition and all that, it just failed.

2:02:23SpeakerIt has horrible track record.

2:02:25BubblemanOnce it becomes the pharmaceutical industrial complex that I'm terrified of and no one wants to get trapped in that. That's like going to the hospital. But at the same time, like Thank you for watching.

2:02:51BubblemanAnd he just sent me a text today that they just basically saved his life with surgery. He had a hole in his back like that big.

2:02:58SpeakerYeah, so it's amazing. We don't want to discount. It's like that's the thing with life. It's always a balance between the two worlds, but it's never one world or the other.

2:03:08BubblemanYeah. When you have profit like that, you just... The level of corruption that is possible is so scary that, you know, that... Corruption takes the path and it shifts it. And now it's not going. And you've got great people who are on that path, but they're not the ones building the path or running the path. They're just working the path. And so it does become a little bit scary in that sense.

2:03:36BubblemanI believe for the most part, they're out there to do good. I saw it during the whole COVID thing, how crazy it could be if you thought one thing versus another, like, Oh, yeah. We're really looking down on one another. I know it was from both sides. Like they were exactly doing the same thing. It was very sad because I myself was trying to sit on the fence and not be like the grass is greener over there, over there.

2:04:02BubblemanI was like, look, how about this? I'll fight for your right so you can get the vaccine. And how about this? I will fight for your right that you don't have to take it. So let's just go with both of those. And most people were like, no, you can't, you can't think that way. And I'm like, well, that's how I'm thinking. I'm sorry. I love it.

2:04:19SpeakerYou get in the middle, you get attacked by both sides. I did support both sides and then they both attacked.

2:04:24BubblemanDude, 100%, which is what made me realize, OK, this is just a psyop. It's all good. We're just having, you know, when you steal focus for so long from people, which they've been doing now for a solid 10 years. Like really stealing our focus, right? And not just us, our kids and elderly people. Everyone's focus is being stolen. Once you have that focus concentrated in an area, then you can manipulate it.

2:04:50BubblemanAnd it's frightening how easy you can manipulate it.

2:04:54SpeakerWell, hopefully cannabis is the plant. Another thing, it's like a jailbreaker. To me, cannabis is like a jailbreaker of the mind. I mean, psychedelics obviously help with that, but... No, I'm okay. Thanks, sweetie. Yeah, it's just, you know, that's another important part. It just, you know, it opens up the mind. It helps you expand and be like, yeah, there's some funny movie clips, you know, scenes where they're like, what the, you know, they smoke weed and then they just like have these revelations of conscience.

2:05:22BubblemanI think of the Bill Hicks one where he's like, you're in traffic. Someone's like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I think marijuana should be mandatory. And then he's like knocking on the guy's window. He's like, hey, have a hit of this, man. Yeah, Hicks is great. I love Bill Hicks. I absolutely love Bill Hicks. He was outside of the box.

2:05:41SpeakerDid I ask you a question? I don't know, Colin. What is your, that's what life science is, Colin. Oh, you guys should definitely know each other.

2:05:50BubblemanColin's brilliant. I've known Colin for 25 years, maybe close to 30. Go ahead, Colin.

2:05:55Collin PalmerYeah, so great question, man. So yeah, it's nice to meet you, first of all. So I've been making hash since I started growing in late 96, started making hash in 98-ish, you know, and I think around 99, that's where I met Marcus on the forums. And we just started all exchanging information. And like a lot of us here, we all just got bit by this infatuation with the plant and how to, you know, utilize every bit of it and every which way.

2:06:28Collin PalmerAnd I've led a life of almost 20 years at this point, I guess, 24 of us making hash, I guess. And that's wild. That's a stretch for us. That's a serious stretch. It just feels like it's just been my life, you know, my life. And You know what I mean? And I feel, you know, like a lot of us, I feel lucky to have, you know, for me, it was just such a trip to meet Marcus in person.

2:06:53Collin PalmerCause like we had just had talked so much online and, and it was just like, we had almost already knew each other. Right. But didn't cause we've used these handles, you know, at the time because it was just so dangerous and, you know, talking through emails and, You know, using hush mail and all this stuff. Dude, like all this stuff that allowed us to like trade clones, right?

2:07:17Collin PalmerLike if you wanted something from someone, it was an exchange, you know, it wasn't really monetary. It was like, what do you have? You know, what's in your stable? You know, and it was really, that's what I loved about it because it was so DIY at the time. It was just so like, yo, what do you got? Let's exchange. How are you doing it? You know, I remember talking to Dank Master about Super Soils and then Subcool about it as well.

2:07:43Collin PalmerYou know, just mixing different soils at the time because we were You know, and I grew up around sort of an ag background. So, you know, I knew enough about cut flowers and things like that, you know, but, but at the time, you know, to maximize what we were doing, it was just a conversation with one another is, you know, being infatuated with it as a young age kind of so.

2:08:07SpeakerDid you start with his bubble bags? Is that where you started with Marcus?

2:08:10Collin PalmerNo, it's funny. My friend Scott, I won't say his last name, but Scott, which I think Marcus actually knows him. He bought Mila's bags and him and I were making it together at his house. And then Scott, I found Marcus online and I told Scott and Scott ordered the bag set and we started using that bag set. And I just kept on using bubble bags then therefore after.

2:08:36Collin PalmerOh, cool. After that point. So, you know, like I've saved, I don't know, every other kit since I've bought one, you know, since then. So I have like these like I've like, you know, totes full of these old old bag sets because it's, you know, it's meaningful. I think, you know, it's you go through this these stages. It's like it's like cables or something. And in the studio, you got to keep like a few, you You know, for you to remind yourself, like, you know, I used to do those all the time.

2:09:05BubblemanDude, I'll tell you, back in those days, Colin, like, when you were saying, oh, you had to be, use the hush mail, and we were all like, you know, secretive, but communicating, it was crazier for me. No one was being secret with me. They were sending me their home address, often of their grow. Yeah. Like in 99 and I knew it early on and I was like, fuck, this is like a heavy responsibility.

2:09:29BubblemanLike everyone is reaching out to me and this was really a new thing, right? Like 99, the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam was still popping off. Like it was still pretty big. But at that point in time, Amsterdam couldn't contain the community anymore and cannabis world and overgrow and cannabis culture. And Cannabis.com, those sites were exploding with people sharing information about smoking weed, getting weed, what price do you pay for weed, pictures of weed.

2:09:58BubblemanKeep in mind, 99 too was the birth of the digital camera where I think you could, you know, the highest level you could get in 99 was a 2.2 megapixel Sony CyberShot, which was about a $2,500 camera. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:36Bubblemanmoney for commissary like just tried to like you know support him while he was in jail and yeah he was the uh the bucket guy he did the buckets but he was probably one of the most well-known people on overgrow at the time high grade was like he was he was he posted a lot marcus you're right and he shared a lot of information there was so much information you know russ that was on there i don't know if you were on there at all that really defined

2:11:04Collin PalmerAnd set the tone for how we commercialized and thought about, you know, just doing what we do today, you know, and it's where the stewards of a lot of these really coveted cultivars really came from.

2:11:18SpeakerYeah, it's fascinating. I think during that time, like 98, I was in college in Virginia and I wasn't... Yeah, I wasn't in, I wasn't online on those growth forums at all. We had, my link was Cannabis Culture Magazine. I was like infatuated with cannabis culture. We would order seeds off Mark Emery Seeds. And that was our line in. That was the line. And we get so excited.

2:11:50SpeakerWe're freaking out when, oh my God, are they going to get here? Are they going to get busted? Whatever.

2:11:56BubblemanSo I read, I wrote a lot of articles for that magazine.

2:12:00SpeakerOh, nice. Yeah, we got in, we got into one of those editions with the photos.

2:12:05BubblemanThat's awesome.

2:12:05SpeakerLittle hydro ton grow, you know, the red grow pebbles.

2:12:09BubblemanYeah.

2:12:09SpeakerWe had like a little two, one lighter, two lighter and yeah, we got it. We're like so excited. I think I still have, I kept that magazine.

2:12:17Collin PalmerSo Russ, like imagine like the influence that had on the digital world and that's where like Heaven's Stairway started and, and you know, the, the birth of like what Gypsy Nirvana was doing, right Marcus? Like with, You know, his seed company and, you know, it just, it really lit off this kind of next era.

2:12:39BubblemanMark was selling so many seeds and making so much money and funding the entire Vancouver scene. Thank you for watching.

2:13:08SpeakerI got to take a bong hit with him once. I went, I actually was on the East. It's when I moved into Humboldt. It was like 2006. And I drove up there, went into the store because I was like, I had a hemp clothing company at the time. I was looking for maybe advertising in his magazine. So he invited me downstairs and he took a bong. He gave me this massive bong hit.

2:13:28SpeakerI got so high out of my mind trying to navigate Vancouver.

2:13:33Collin PalmerYeah, it was wild. It was cool.

2:13:35BubblemanBig glass bong, beaker bong.

2:13:37SpeakerFunny experience, yeah, yeah.

2:13:40BubblemanYeah, I mean, listen, like I said, no one else was doing what he did. A lot of people were selling seeds and bully for them and they were doing a great job and they were making money and that's awesome. And Mark just gave it all away. It was insane. It was, but he would refuse to virtue signal for likes. So people just like hated him. They just like, there's so many things that people dislike about Mark.

2:14:04BubblemanI always defended him because I just never saw any of that stuff. I always just saw him be like a superhero to the movement. And so I was like, you know what? Like, I don't care if you don't like him. I can't ignore the fact that he basically funded. I'll tell you one thing when. Oh, also, then he just like went to prison in the US for five years, not knowing that it was going to be five years.

2:14:27BubblemanAnd right before he went down there, they released this kingpin law Which was like, if you get caught with a million pounds of cannabis, it was for kingpins, like cocaine kingpins, fentanyl kingpins, but there was a cannabis clause that said if you get caught with a million pounds, you could be sentenced to death under the kingpin law. And in Mark's thing, they said his seeds had grown over a million pounds of cannabis.

2:14:56BubblemanAnd so I would sit and talk with him and be like, dude, like, what are you going to do? Like, are you going to just like run away to like northern Yukon or something? And he's like, no, I'm going to I'll just I got to go down there and face the music. And I was just like, I just couldn't wrap my head around that courage, because I'll tell you, from a Canadian perspective, when the DEA in Bella Clavas came into Canada, a sovereign country, and took Mark and Michelle and Marijuana Man, Dude, that threw us all for a loop.

2:15:28BubblemanObviously, none of us were Mark, right? But we all in our own minds thought, oh my God, what if I'm next? It's like, bro, first of all, he was on the top 10 most wanted world list with like hit men and like the leaders of, you know, the biggest gangs in the world. Mark was in there. Which is absolutely bonkers.

2:15:51SpeakerIt's wild. I don't think people realize how many seeds he sold. It's wild.

2:15:55BubblemanNo, listen, I know. Everyone that was around knows because everyone that was around worked for him. My friend Natasha used to go pick up money out of his PO box and it was nothing to pull 50K out in a day. That's crazy. That's like no problem. The P.O. box would be stuffed with with like money. Yeah, but they wouldn't fit. So then she'd get like a stack of these other papers that you give and then they give you all the other envelopes.

2:16:25BubblemanAll right.

2:16:26SpeakerHoly shit. Yeah, that's wild. What a wild.

2:16:28BubblemanBut he was giving it away that fast. Like literally, I'd be sitting there and someone would call and be like, I got busted with your seeds in Virginia. And he'd be like, oh, he'd give the phone to someone and be like, can you get this guy's information and send him 10,000 US dollars for his court case? That's so wild.

2:16:45SpeakerYeah, you know, that's a good example. I'm glad you have this perspective because there's been some like, I haven't followed in a long time, but you know, there was some controversy. Some?

2:16:54BubblemanOh my God, dude. Mark's all controversy.

2:16:56SpeakerYeah. I would like champion people. This is a great, Mark's a great example of someone who's a human. He might have some flaws, but people are discounting like the larger good that the person is doing. They're like nitpicking on certain smaller aspects of a human's, you know, being, you know, All of that, dude. Just us little dudes in Virginia, like, yeah, Mark and Reese's, we're so stoked.

2:17:22SpeakerLike, how many times did that occur everywhere? It's wild. Dude, listen, Vancouver became the most craziest place ever because all of you guys

2:17:45BubblemanAll of you amazing lovers of cannabis, people that were getting into it, people that were like, what's this all about? Like, there's a place in Canada that you could just go smoke cannabis in the streets. And there's this crazy guy there that will just literally give you cannabis seeds and you can and then you give him money. I am here for it. So I was always around just sitting around puffing.

2:18:07BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:18:27BubblemanAs much as I love Amsterdam, Vancouver is a thousand times more enjoyable to walk around, enjoy nature, go for a paddleboard on the ocean, snowboard down a mountain, you know, like whatever it is you want to do, it's here to do. It's West Coast, British Columbia, beautiful. Yeah, it was quite a time when he went away for five years because I didn't finish that story. He went down there.

2:18:52BubblemanI thought I was like, dude, you should honestly just run for your life. Like, that's insane. Don't don't go down there and let them put you to death for selling cannabis. That's insane. So he went down there mainly to save Marijuana Man and Michelle, and he ended up getting five years. And for the five years that he was gone, Nobody filled his shoes here. Jody sure held it together.

2:19:13BubblemanI will say that in a huge way. Cannabis culture, all the businesses, everything. But there was no more seed sales. There was no more the funding of this monstrosity that was just also, you know, kind of surreal because the money was one way. It was never like, hey, you owe me money. like it was just this one-way flow of money that seemed to never stop and it you know they did uh it's what caught the dea's attention they did not like that level of really what he was doing was he was lobbying you know they call it activism but in reality he was lobbying right in a big way and it's funny because i look at protests now and i got to be honest i'm scared of protests i wouldn't want to go go to a protest you get a Rock in the face or something.

2:20:02BubblemanPeople are super polarized and angry with one another. When we protested for cannabis legalization, it was a beautiful thing. I always saw the cops smiling. Everyone was just puffing, you know, not really allowed, but we're protesting and the cops won't come and get us, so we're protected. And it was just this positive experience that... I don't see as much today in the protests.

2:20:28SpeakerYeah, that's interesting. That's really interesting. I gotta go to the bathroom. I'll break for a second. You guys continue. I'll be back.

2:20:34Etienne FontanSounds good, man. Well, parallel thing happened after they went after him. That's when they went after Ed Rosenthal. I remember that. And they did the same thing. They went after Kingpin Chargers on him. They wanted to put him away for life. And for that first trial, I was not found. But for that second trial, I was served by the DEA at my dispensary. And it would have to go through the grand jury as well as then we were put on trial by Judge Breyer, the twin of the actual Thank you for watching.

2:21:21Etienne FontanSo, you know, and they had used Mark's, you know, kind of bad situation as kind of a precursor to exactly what you said, Bubble Man, shut down what happened. Why? Because we were putting out back in the day, we were putting out, you know, 5,000 clones a week in the Bay Area, you know, to Dennis's club, to, you know, all the different clubs. And they didn't like that we were flooding California with solid genetics that people could come back on.

2:21:50Etienne FontanThat wasn't the money thing. This was all medical. It's a different dichotomy, but there's similar situations where the government came in And try to shut it down. But what we found out of Ed's case is that he was only sentenced to one day in jail. They fortunately didn't sentence any of us. I was the first of the recalcitrant seven. They did hold us in contempt of court because we refused to testify against Ed.

2:22:20Etienne FontanBut Judge Breyer said that he realized that it is not lost on him That Ed spent only a day in jail and realized people, this is a Friday when this kind of all went down. And if we would have been put in jail, we would have been in jail for the weekend and it would have come out on Monday. And the judge said, okay, here's what I'm going to do.

2:22:40Etienne FontanIf you're not going to testify, you can go home. But if you're going to testify, then you're going to spend the weekend in jail. And of course, all of us refused to testify. So, you know, you never know when you're called upon and when you have to, you know, back up your activism. But, you know, Marcus, there's still rallies. There's still people doing activism. There's still the Ann Arbor hash patch.

2:23:04Etienne FontanThere's still love. But yeah, there's... Don't think it was all love and peace and buttercups. I mean, I had New York professors in New York City flip my tables at New York University because they didn't like us being there in 1994, educating people about their rights. So it wasn't even the students, it was the actual faculty who ran us out. To the point even University of Delaware refused to host us.

2:23:31Etienne FontanAnd we had to actually, the organizers snuck us into a classroom to do activism back in the day because, again, you know, the dominant paradigm did not like that we were doing cannabis in any way, shape, or form. So... You know, yeah, things have changed. There's legalization in certain states. And of course, you've had it there in Canada. So the original, you know, repercussions are have changed from what we try to do.

2:24:00Etienne FontanBut, you know, John Pilka is still throwing the smoke ins at the White House. I was speaking back at the 90s, where they start off in Lafayette Square and then march to the Lincoln Memorial and have rock and roll and You know educate people and back in the day the cops used to hang on the edge and try to catch people smoking on the edges of those rallies and drag them away and we would have to go surround the cops and you know silently or you know chant loudly to you know get them to you know release the person or in some cases in Pensacola Florida we went down Thank you for joining us.

2:24:51Etienne FontanThere's still love and appreciation for those events. You all still do the 420 event in Canada, right, Marcus? But it's even, you know... Listen, it dissipated so badly. It's not what it used to be.

2:25:03BubblemanNo, because what it became in reality and why it was so popular is it became like an open market for mushrooms and cannabis. It was incredible. It was amazing. But the minute that market no longer existed, Thank you for joining us.

2:25:43BubblemanBut those last few were unbelievable. They must have been 50 plus thousand people on the beach in Vancouver. And, you know, being around the whole scene, I was lucky enough to just be able to kind of stand on the side of the stage and watch it all unfold with all the sea of people and the bands and all the characters, you know, Jody and Johnny B and Ramo and just all of all of the characters that I've grown up with here kind of over the last 25 to 30 years in Vancouver.

2:26:13BubblemanI call them the lifers. You know, they're just lifers in cannabis. They just, they'll never stop. You know, that's a wonderful thing.

2:26:23SpeakerYeah, there's something about the passion. Some of us are just born to push the plant. I don't know what it is.

2:26:29BubblemanWell, it's almost, it's almost like you were just about to say it. It's almost like cordyceps. It has, I don't want to say infected our brains, but it has like attached itself to our brains.

2:26:42Etienne FontanWho the fuck are you kidding? We're fucking fucked. Everybody on here is fucking hardcore. Nobody here is a half-asser, okay?

2:26:52Collin PalmerYeah, like I made nine new crosses that like I'm already starting to go through and, you know, I'm going to single all those down and then make more outcrosses probably next month with them. Just like us all. We're all the same.

2:27:08BubblemanI'll tell you, I just smoked like 12 grams of melt in like the last week. It's not good. I mean, it was great.

2:27:19Etienne FontanOh, poor bubble, man.

2:27:21BubblemanOh. Jars are getting low, Etienne. Jars are getting low.

2:27:23Collin PalmerListen, we're going to have to re-up you, Mark. Got to get you smoke signals.

2:27:28BubblemanYeah, trust me. To the Vatican. Smoke signals to the Vatican. That's what that's needed. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh man. What else is your group doing these days, Russ?

2:27:47SpeakerThe organization?

2:27:48BubblemanYeah, like what's what's kind of the big I mean, it's been around for quite some time now.

2:27:52SpeakerYeah, right. I know. It's been wild. Like I was just thinking I'm like, dude, I started in 2016. That's what I thought. And I'm like, is it really been a decade? It's so wild, bro. It's like it does not. I don't know. Time is like a wormhole. It's like a weird paradox where it's slow in the moment and you look back on it and it's like an instant.

2:28:11BubblemanI think it has a lot to do with your experience. When you're younger and you have less experience, time travels slower. Yeah, I don't know. As you gain more experience, you start experiencing time faster.

2:28:23SpeakerYeah, and maybe I'm just more organic in my approach. It's like a joke. It's this ongoing joke where I'm approaching this as an organic growth cycle. We're like, that's an important lesson I've learned. It's like capitalism wants to fly through, fly upward, like trajectory is up. But this organic growth is kind of like slow and methodical and it goes up over a long period of time, but it's more stable.

2:28:49SpeakerThe turtle, the turtle wins the race. Anyway, so I've been doing this. I've been getting into what I really actually I'm getting back to is the idea of wanting to, um, wait, hold on. Sorry. I just saw my dog like running across the yard and he had some weird thing all over. He's got a huge antler. He's got an antler? That looked really weird. I was like, what is that on his face?

2:29:13SpeakerSorry. Um, I originally founded CHA as an educational tool, you know, and I had this membership and I was like building this out. Education was hard for me to monetize. Education's very hard sometimes. You have to be very capitalistic. Hey, bro, let me tell you how I know everything and you should follow me and like do all this stuff and you'll learn from me, so just give me money, you know.

2:29:40SpeakerI don't do that. I hate that. It's just like, ah, like, ugh. So over time, you know, growing and breeding, I was like, well, I'll just do seeds because seeds are a physical commodity. People buy those. Then I can just use the seed money to educate. And that's kind of like what it morphed into. But ultimately, at the end of the day, like what I really would love to do is get some type of funding set up to where CHA is literally a research facility where we are literally just getting paid to study and research The plants, like how phytotoxic are certain organic sprays?

2:30:19SpeakerHow, you know, can we treat HLVD with living soils? Different, you know, the microbiome biology, how does it affect plant health? There's a billion different things I'd love to research. And if I could get paid for doing that, that would be my dream to do that. And I just, yeah, I probably could do it. I just need to pursue it. It's like everything in life. You just have to like start putting it out there and doing, you know, just doing it and failing it first and then just keep doing it.

2:30:51SpeakerSo yeah, that's sort of like where my trajectory might be headed into that world. There's all sorts of grant. There's grant money all over the place. I was just talking with my buddy in Medford. He's got 10 acres. He's like, let's grow hemp. And I'm like, okay, sure. You know, there's grants for hemp growth for carbon sequestration, hemp grants for, you know, you could probably study hemp graphene.

2:31:16SpeakerHemp graphene is like really known. All sorts of cutting edge technologies or, you know, ways of, you know, Environmental stewardship, you can get grants for usually. So there's all sorts of like, you know, modalities, this could go. But right now, it's just seeds and genetics and breeding. Very, very excited about that. It's like Easter, you know, I get just like new, what's this? Like, I get all stoned.

2:31:41SpeakerI'm like, yeah, yeah, it's like crazy mad scientist is crying. Okay, this is cool.

2:31:47Collin PalmerOh, no, no, that's not good. Throw that away. You know? Oh, yes.

2:31:50SpeakerSo that to me is like really fun and exciting part of it. And then getting feedback. My favorite thing is getting feedback from the growers. Like, dude, check out this cool plant. Look at this thing. It's amazing. You get to see the photos and the joy from the customers. I really love that. And then networking with you guys. Like that's the penultimate. It's like developing relationships with the community and sharing in bonds.

2:32:14BubblemanThat's awesome, man. That definitely sounds like a pretty legit pathway forward for sure. And you could see like, I mean, having a vehicle like CHA and making it available, more and more people are doing this work on all levels from, you know, like the grassroots level to the highest level of genomics, right? So, which means everyone's looking, everyone's excited. You know, we know as the cannabis community that what you're looking for I think is less novel cannabinoids and more novel volatile organic compounds or novel flavor profiles.

2:32:54BubblemanYou know, those are the things. And if you can complexify them, if you can create one that smells like something. Tastes like something and exhales like something completely different. Like. Oh yeah. Holy grail. Yeah, exactly.

2:33:10SpeakerJust a very unique experience. Yeah. That's why this whole, they were going back into the land race stuff. You know, I think there's a huge push in the right groups to like explore some of the older, cause it's just been so narrow with the cookies and runs and the modern, um, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:33:55SpeakerKevin went to that trip to Pakistan last year with Danny and those guys. He brought back a ton of seeds. He gave some to Eddie from Dank Maven over there in Medford. And Eddie got me some of those Hopar Valley Kush seeds. And I grew those out. And it's just, yeah, it's just really cool getting... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:34:36SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:34:54Speakeryou know express some of those crazy volatiles in some of these in some of the ogs like bring it in crop bring it into the ogs and gas and like really try to express some of that old i'm definitely on the hunt for the old skunky gassy stuff now i've experimented so much and created so much with uh you know exotic candy fruit washers But now I'm like, I'm like really transitioning back to my roots, which is like the gas.

2:35:21SpeakerI just love it. I love it. That's what I would smoke the most. I don't smoke that much anymore. I eat edibles. I'll dab a little. But if I was smoking, I'd be like, what do you really want to smoke? It's like the gas. I just want gas.

2:35:32Collin PalmerI think Brian and I both like the gas a lot. You know, every time we get together, it's like gas, fuel. Yes.

2:35:40SpeakerSour, gas, whatever.

2:35:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsDo you have any genetics from Nepal where you could do an XFV throwback on the Nepalese?

2:35:50SpeakerThat sounds cool. No, but that's a good idea.

2:35:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, it sounds like something that... Have you heard that Nepalese land start to some of the OG Kush? Or is that a little conversation to open up as far as what you... Not here in America from East to West Coast, but more like it's the lineage for the real SFE.

2:36:15SpeakerYeah, I'm always interested. I don't know a lot about it. So if you have any intel, I'm always ears open to hear what other people, you know.

2:36:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsMe too. Some of it came back to Nepal. I had heard. So that's where I think like an SFE throwback on the

2:36:36SpeakerI'm trying to, my buddy, I just ran into this guy, my kid's schooling soccer and he's from Washington and he was, he just random conversation and he's like, oh, I've got, he said he claims to have a skunky plant, you know, more roadkill skunk. He calls it the Skagit skunk from Washington State, S-K-A-G-I-T. And I'm like, dude, let's try it out. Let's see what, give me, I'll trade you some seeds and like, let's see.

2:37:01SpeakerBecause that's always a hard, that like you, Marcus said earlier, it's like from my understanding, right, the roadkill skunk smell was like bred away from more to like cheesy fruity skunk. Because it was so crazy volatile and that other cheesy fruity skunk was like not as strong. And then that like filtered away from that. But I think everyone's looking for that RKS.

2:37:25Collin PalmerEveryone knows that. We asked Sam a few times on here. I think it's well documented that he had said that he enjoyed the less skunky version. So he naturally spread away from that. Selected away, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for his personal choice. But yes, he did say that at one point it did have that acrid, you know.

2:37:48SpeakerYeah, yeah, that's where, I don't know. There's something to that. There's something to that. I think it's medicinal. I think there's some medicinal... Nate, that we don't fully understand hasn't been studied.

2:37:59Collin PalmerWell, I like looking at the older catalogs, you know, the Sensi catalogs from the late 80s or early 80s. You can see the structures of these plants. And when I look at contemporary outcrosses, I kind of portal and start to see the similarities and what's in the actual genetic makeup of them.

2:38:21SpeakerYeah, I've kind of like wanted to go back and cross like some Northern Lights and Afghanis, you know, and do some like crazy outcross, you know, in crossing, outcross, just experimenting with those, you know, just seeing what comes out of those populations would be fascinating.

2:38:38Collin PalmerYeah, like this is an NL, this is an NL5 I shot of a 35 millimeter like way back in the 80s. And that's rad. Every grow. I have all these contact sheets I was looking at and I was like, man, I should really try to, you know, get get more prints made of some of this stuff because it's there's a lot of genetics in there that I don't I don't have anymore.

2:39:02SpeakerYeah. I mean, just looking at the plant morphology tells the story, you know, 30 percent.

2:39:07Collin PalmerYeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. But it's, you know, I think those are the things I think we're all looking for is trying to go and, you know, backwards a little bit to try to grab some of those notes that we love out of things like GMO and why GMO is so awesome is because of these, you know, those flavor notes that it's able to produce. It reminded us why it was so good.

2:39:33Collin PalmerYou know, it's like, it's like the new, new skunk to me.

2:39:36SpeakerYeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. That's cattle in it. That's wild. It's awesome. Yeah.

2:39:41Collin PalmerWell, it's, you know, So it's a very unique one. I think the Chem D alone is really awesome if you've grown that.

2:39:50SpeakerYes. Yeah, yeah.

2:39:51Collin PalmerI did some breeding with it. One of my favorites. But the 91 is a little bit more sour leaning, right? Like even back, I remember I used to grow Chem 91 in sour and we just like call everything sour because it was just like what everyone wanted to hear.

2:40:07SpeakerI've never, I haven't grown like 91 by itself. I got a bunch of seeds from CSI. I like Caleb a lot. He's a really old school breeder. And he had, I got the Chem D, grew out a bunch of those. Then he had a Chem D times Chem 91. Then he called the Big Bad Wolf. And I like that one better. There were some ones that like had a little bit, yeah, it seemed like slightly a little sour-ish.

2:40:30SpeakerLike there was just something in the flavor profile that was slightly different, just slightly different.

2:40:35Collin Palmer91's just a slightly different plant. I mean, we would, you know, back when I used to grow a lot of sour on its own, you know, it was just really popular. So whatever you were giving people would turn into whatever their narrative, you know, it's funny, like, I think Marcus always says this, and he says it well, it's like, people change history or change the narrative to fit their, you know, what they're after.

2:40:59Collin PalmerSo I think that's another thing with Sour Diesel today. There's so many clones being flown around right now because like Rez Dog had his era of seeds and, you know, even CSI has made their own out crosses, you know, which are respectfully great. Like the Turbo Diesel, if you've ever, anyone's ever grown those from Humboldt CSI, they're fantastic. But so now it's really difficult, I think, Among the sea of clones, because there's so many people growing today.

2:41:28Collin PalmerI will say this.

2:41:30SpeakerYeah, with sour, there's something weird about seeds. I never have found a seed sour that I'm like, this is a sour. It's something with the heterozygotity of the genes. When you cross it, it's like not sour. And I'm just like, this is like, I wanted to breed sour. And I'm like, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it because I know it's not going to be sour.

2:41:52SpeakerAnd I'm just like, I don't know what, I don't know why, but it's not. So I made some sour. I did a lime sour cross with Mean Gene, Lime 5 sour. And it's got some really, that's one actually has some crazy sour dominant plants. And it's like fun, but I know it, I'm not trying to make it sour. I crossed it back to the AJs and Weasels and it's got some notes.

2:42:12SpeakerIt's not sour though, but you know, I just haven't found seeds that like are sour. It doesn't exist.

2:42:18Collin PalmerWell, the funny thing about the AJ and Weasel, just to call that out for a second, is I actually sequenced those with medicinal genomics just to kind of, and I've done that. If you go on my profile, you'll see a ton of sours on there. Oh, cool. I'll check it out. It's because it, you know, we kind of want to understand what the relationship of this stuff with names, air quotes, have to the rest of the world around us.

2:42:41Collin PalmerAnd it's really difficult to decipher sometimes where these things came from and who's held it and how long and, you know, where is it really from and All that and the idea of Albany Sour like a friend of mine yesterday who's from New York City was like dude I don't remember Albany Sour he's and he's not even a grower he's like there was no such thing as Albany Sour like what are people creating in their mind like sure there was packs that went up there but like that's not where it was grown and There wasn't the clone called Albany Sour.

2:43:10Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, that was bro. That was bro, right? Keith Lance, right? Totally. A guy up in Albany, right?

2:43:16Collin PalmerYeah, and like someone had the clone, right? Sour Diesel, the clone. There was no such thing as AJ Sour Diesel. It just was Sour Diesel. And that was it. And there was people that, you know, some people talked more than others, you know?

2:43:29Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, AJ will claim that didn't he get his cut from that dude that he met at... And, uh, at, at wetlands, the, um, God, the weasel, the guy from Staten Island.

2:43:44Collin PalmerSo weasel, I, I had exactly. So, and then the weasel diesel and the whole, yeah. So that's the weasel diesel. That's the whole, there's a whole story there, but the case is just, we'll stick to the, we'll just cut the fat. We'll cut, stay focused because that's a really good tangent. We could go on there, but, but you know, there was a clone sour diesel that was passed around.

2:44:05Collin PalmerIt was very hard to get. And You know, it was so hard to get that people started making outcrosses. And it was so hard to get that people started saying that they had it. And, you know, and it just proliferated from there. And that's why it's still today so confusing. Because there's just a lot of, you know, like someone gave us an East Coast Sour Diesel Klon this summer.

2:44:27Collin PalmerWe grew it. I have it in a jar over there. It's like, wait, how is this?

2:44:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsThey're chasing a Sour Diesel ghost.

2:44:34Collin PalmerSure, but I do think it is alive, and I do have it, and it does exist. I've seen it. I can say that with truth. It's changing.

2:44:47SpeakerIt starts right here, actually. Oh, nice. That's like one of my faves.

2:44:54Collin PalmerBut my point of saying all this, man, is that I think... You know, it's really hard to decipher where things come from sometimes. And it's nice to have some science to help us and some genomics to help us kind of ingest this stuff into a system so we can all, if we all participate enough, it starts to, you know, take shape like an image being created in a dark room.

2:45:14SpeakerYeah, that's awesome. Well, I'm glad you guys are doing that hard work. It's not easy. It's not easy work.

2:45:20Collin PalmerNo, it's a long term. This is like, we'll talk in another 30 years about what we've learned, you know, kind of thing. And every year we'll figure it out. But yeah, you should do hop laden. I'd love to see you do a hop laden viride study. I mean, I did one. I did a controlled study myself and Kevin helped me write a paper on it. And we did from medicinal genomics.

2:45:44Collin PalmerI kind of partnered with him a little bit on it. And I just think that conversation in general needs to happen with more people and broader conversations so we can all have more ideas for others to take to the table and maybe even do more controlled studies with and be more informed.

2:46:03SpeakerYeah, I'm convinced. Sort of like talking about Josh and Kelly's cosmic intelligence, I'm totally convinced That even though it's a viroid, it's not like a virus like HIV. The function of the immune system health of the plant is like... I'm vastly underrated. And like, I would love if I were to do a study, I would set up a controlled study and have rock, wool and salt, no microbes.

2:46:34SpeakerAnd I'd have like a pure living soil bed with like a bunch of organic matter, vermicompost, compost, you know, herbs, like dragon, like use dragonfly earth medicine products full with All of those beneficial fungi and microbes and, you know, and try to run and like do foliar sprays with like aloe, willow, you know, things like SAR and ISR.

2:46:58Dr Mark ScialdonePhagoderma too.

2:46:59Collin PalmerLike that's, that's the thing about Natural Mystic. I was, I was trying to get them in behind our little chat here to be like, talk about Natural Mystic and why it's so important. Well, it has really advanced herbs in there and that fight and all these soil-borne illness that actually to your point, Drive the immune system of the plant over the life cycle of the season or the time that you're actually going through the cycle.

2:47:24Collin PalmerAnd those are the results of why you're not getting the full potential of what is actually there. And to add to that, like the other thing we should really be doing for commercial side of things is understanding the microbial loads of each cultivar. Like how much of... X, does it, does it, is it, is it being attracted to it and how much is being held on it?

2:47:45Collin PalmerAnd those that are harder to deal with, let's put them over here and put more of the ones that are less over, over here. Yeah.

2:47:52SpeakerYeah.

2:47:54Collin PalmerYou know, so we don't have to, from an IPM perspective, we don't have to use crazy because we're, you know, Yeah, no, that's interesting.

2:48:04SpeakerIt's funny, I never thought about that, actually, because we always, we know that different plants have different nutrient loads. That's obvious, you know, but I've never, never actually considered that plants have different microbial loads, but that makes a lot of sense.

2:48:17Collin PalmerYeah, Kevin and I talk about that a lot. I'd love to get him on the show, actually. Kevin McKernan is who I'm talking about.

2:48:23SpeakerKevin's great. Kevin's my dog, bro. He's, I love Kevin. I talked to him on Instagram. He's the best.

2:48:30Collin PalmerYeah, you know, his knowledge of just, you know, the biology of things right now, I think is really vast. And, you know, I just like his mindset on it. It's really interesting.

2:48:44SpeakerYeah, yeah. And he's pioneering all sorts of stuff beyond cannabis as well. He's really, people don't realize this, but he's like the spearhead of a lot of important research into the whole, you know, medical pharmaceutical matrix. Big time. Yeah, like he's, and people don't even recognize him, but he's like one of, he's like all of the core people, like Brett Weinstein and Robert Malone and all these dudes like are like Kevin, you should look at Kevin's knowledge.

2:49:13SpeakerYeah, they talk about Kevin. It's really fascinating, actually. Cool. It is.

2:49:17Collin PalmerYeah, no, he's, you know, I lived like 15 minutes from him for like five years now. So I go over to their office and, you know, drop samples off pretty quickly.

2:49:30SpeakerThat's rad, man. That's really cool.

2:49:32Collin PalmerYeah. Yeah, nice, nice guys. But yeah, no, dude, I would love to see your organization do... Do more things like that, you know, if you have the opportunity to do control like that or you find a varietal, you know, like right now there's a guy actually, you know, reached out to me who's like, I want to dispel that tissue culture can't get rid of hoplite and viroids.

2:49:56Collin PalmerSo I'm actually going to give him two different varietals that we know have it. Let's see what happens.

2:50:04SpeakerYeah, see if he can, yeah, clear it out.

2:50:06Collin PalmerAnd then there's like a viral load.

2:50:09SpeakerIt's so underrated, not well understood, I'm trying to say.

2:50:15BubblemanMisunderstood. Misunderstood.

2:50:18SpeakerViral load is crucial. Viral load is like all it's, this is what all this BS in our own health is about also. Like we have four, the human body has like 480 trillion, trillion viruses in our genome that's coding. It's a coding system. Like we are designed to like interact with viruses and they come in and then our immune system processes it. And if it's working properly, if we have enough magnesium or zinc or whatever, and we can deconstruct it and then it gets stored as code, like, oh yeah, we figured this out.

2:50:54SpeakerLike, I don't know. There's just a hugely huge world that could be explored with that. So I would say I would hypothesize that viral in a living soil system grown properly, the viral load would be significantly lower. That would be my hypothesis from a salt based system. That's what I would want to study.

2:51:11Collin PalmerI think it makes sense. And, and the, you know, the one thing, you know, I think is, that's really interesting to me is, is, you know, if you have a big enough property to do it and sequester something and do something like that, I would, I, you know, I think you should definitely be looking at that, you know, look at the soil. Like that's where Kevin, like Kevin and I started hypothesizing on like, well, what if it's in the roots?

2:51:33Collin PalmerWhat if it's in the water? And like, we just, Thank you for joining us.

2:51:57Collin PalmerYou know, because I, you know, when you start to see these symptoms and then the other tidbit here is like when you look at all the data, some varietals, man, they have like just a touch of it and they can perform normal. Yeah.

2:52:09SpeakerDidn't Kevin have a paper on that? Kevin had a paper where it's like there was like a little thing where it's like one varietal just didn't have any HOV. Exactly.

2:52:18Collin PalmerSo we, well, I gave him a, so here's the thing. So I had a UK, you must be talking about the UK cheese. So I gave, and he mislabeled it. I think something, he called it something else, but it's, I gave him a UK cheese. It was super hot. It was like crazy, like the hottest we've ever seen it. And then it was like, I was like, all right, well, I'm going to keep growing it and I'm going to put it outside.

2:52:39Collin PalmerAnd I let it go until like now, like November or something. And I remember like cutting it down and it was completely purple. Right. And then I like I was like, Kevin, I think you should test the plant. I'll give you the whole thing because it looks normal. Like the flowers smell incredible. It's super gassy. I'll just like, I chopped the whole thing down. Like at the base, I drove down, met him, just like did a hot swap, like gave him the plant.

2:53:04Collin PalmerHe tested it and he was like, this is completely clean. This has zero hop lane viride. And it had anti-science all over it. Like it was completely purple, right? So like, I think there's way more to look into on that, you know, like as I think he'd agree, but I do think it's a fascinating thing Thank you for joining us.

2:53:53BubblemanYeah, it's a... Well, it's inevitable that we're going to learn about this stuff faster and faster and faster, and we're going to get abilities to aggregate data in ways that we've never been able to before. We're going to have AI that's going to be able to go in and go over so much data at a time that... If it's not AI, it's going to have to be something like AI to be used as the tool that allows humans to cover the depth of what is there.

2:54:25BubblemanOtherwise, you think of these glaciers you guys are rolling off here. A hundred years would be a tip of one with the current tools that we're having.

2:54:37BubblemanYeah, well, that's where we're headed. It's definitely where we're headed. You know, I know some people don't like it too much and other people are kind of stoked on it. I'm once again just trying to sit in the middle on the fence going, hey, man, I'll fight for your right to use AI and I'll fight for your right not to use AI.

2:54:53SpeakerYeah. Yeah, it's a powerful tool for aggregating data. I mean, the most powerful, really.

2:54:59BubblemanYeah, yeah. I saw some doctor talking recently about how they're now doing surgery, these AIs through these robotic arms. And I guess the robots have like, the razor blades are much thinner and they can, what they can process is basically on the cellular level. So even the way they cut is like the least damaging. And the way, just all of it is kind of becoming complex. Pretty trippy in regards to how health may be looked at in the upcoming future.

2:55:32Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I had eight hours or six hours of hernia repair surgery with a robot. I had no idea. I had no idea I was being operated on by a robot. I had met the surgeon like a week before, like I went to her office and she's the regular doctor and we just sat and she talked about the surgery a little bit, but I didn't know it was going to be a robotic surgery.

2:56:00Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then the last thing I remember when they wheeled me into the operating room, because I had already been in kind of like pre-op where they They get you IV'd up and they use the same sedative that I guess Michael Jackson died from, right? Oh, that's comforting. Yeah, well, I can tell you that, you know, you're honest.

2:56:21BubblemanThey put Thriller on, they give you the...

2:56:23Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, you're on this plane one minute, Marcus, and then you're just completely out. But the last image I remember when they wheeled me into the operating room, you know, I expected to see regular operating room, but it wasn't operating room at all. It actually looked like a MRI machine because they wheeled me under this thing. And I saw my surgeon. I saw her there because I recognized her hair, but she had virtual reality glasses on and she had virtual reality gloves.

2:56:55Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I got wheeled underneath this machine. From what I understand, the robot has these probes that basically come down and do, you know, orthoscopic surgery. For hernia repair, what they need to do is they need to tuck your guts back in and then put in a polypropylene mesh that then becomes the muscle that's torn, which is the reason why your guts leak out of your, you know, where they're supposed to be, you know.

2:57:25Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, it was a really weird experience because I had no clue I was going to be operated on robotically. And then, yeah, they said it should have been like a four-hour surgery, but it ended up being a six-hour surgery.

2:57:42BubblemanImagine, you're in the archaic version of that because in five years, people will be like, I saw my surgeon. She was a robot. There was no surgeon. It was literally a robot. Right, there was no person.

2:57:56Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, no, she was super knowledgeable. And again, I just assumed that it was going to be, you know, scalpel and, you know, forceps kind of surgery. But no, it wasn't at all. It was totally robotic.

2:58:09BubblemanThat's incredible.

2:58:11Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Yeah, well, there's a lot of surgeries like that because what they do, they end up minimizing the incision. Normally, what they would have done is they would have cut my belly open kind of like the way a cesarean delivery would be made, right? And then that whole muscle has to heal, but this way they can go in. There's like four bullet holes that were like in my gut, like where they went in and kind of tucked the guts in.

2:58:42Dr Mark ScialdonePut the mesh in there and then sewed me up.

2:58:46BubblemanAnd Russ asked the question. I want to know the answer.

2:58:51Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's that? Did it go well? Oh, yeah. Well, I'm here. So let's see. So this would have been in December of 2022. You know, I started earlier that summer in the summer of 2022. We were still living in Pennsylvania before I moved to Vermont. I was doing a little bit of work out in the backyard. And I know I had done some heavy lifting that day. It hadn't dawned on me that I actually had torn that muscle.

2:59:22Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I guess when you lift in the wrong way, you could really put a strain on that muscle. So you have to make sure that when you lift super heavy items that you don't inadvertently tear that muscle. I didn't realize I had torn it at the time. But I remember after dinner one night, I know it was that summer, I felt kind of like a pain in my lower belly that reminded me of, for those of us who grew up around a swimming pool, remember...

2:59:56Dr Mark ScialdoneThat bellyache that you got at night after you'd spent like all day in the swimming pool and you took big mounds of chlorinated water. All that chlorinated water got down in your gut and gave your lower... Just killed the biome. Killed the entire biome of your... Yeah, just basically, exactly. It just wipes out all the beneficial biotics down there. So yeah, so that bellyache that I was getting in the lower belly was...

3:00:22Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was kind of like a symbol that, ah, there's something weird because it wasn't like that indigestion or anything. But then I know that I was out in Las Vegas at the fish shows, and I noticed for the first time when I looked down at my belt line, like just above my pubic area, it started- That you had two dicks? Well, no, it just started becoming swollen and inflamed.

3:00:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I noticed that- Yeah, there was kind of like this belly lower than my belly starting to form. I'm like, this isn't good. And certainly when I went in and came back and my doctor looked at it, knew right away, this is what they call an umbilical cord. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:01:31BubblemanRight. Plus, as you get older, I find the weight training is incredible. Everyone has one little thing. Oh, I got this thing in my it's like then make everything around that so much stronger that you can actually gain the time and the resources to fix the thing that's actually hurt because it's usually a major thing, whether it's in your hip or your back or your neck or your.

3:01:52BubblemanBut yeah, hernias are.

3:01:53Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, it's super painful because I mean, all the food. that you eat when you end up taking a shit right goes through your intestines and certainly like if there is you know a not an obstruction but what happens is your intestines don't have the ability to Thank you for joining us.

3:02:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI was in absolute pain. I mean, and there's no, nothing they could really give you for that pain because it's just, I don't know. It's just your body telling you that something's fucked up, right? So luckily I was able to get in after COVID. And yeah, I would say that I had post-operative pain for like the first six months and you end up getting what's called, this is kind of interesting.

3:03:07Dr Mark ScialdoneYou get something called a hydroseal, which is basically your, your, Your scrotum. Get inflamed and it makes your balls seem really big. So all of a sudden you have a big set of balls. What it is, it's kind of like the same way you get water underneath. So there's a lot of water that kind of builds up in the scar tissue that forms and that eventually goes away.

3:03:33Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, you have really super big balls for the first six months after a hernia repair surgery. It's perfectly normal, but man, it's super uncomfortable.

3:03:45SpeakerYeah, I think I'll avoid that.

3:03:47BubblemanLift those weights. Yes, true. I'm telling you, don't lift so many. Like my son lifts way too many. I saw him lifting weights at the, we were at the Westin and Whistler for my wife's birthday a couple days ago, and he must have been lifting close to 300 pounds. I was just like, my God, like. Thank you for joining us.

3:04:25Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us.

3:04:55Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so it's probably speaks to staying in shape and making sure that you don't overexert because muscles can tear and they certainly are painful.

3:05:04BubblemanWell, I find as I deep delve into cannabis and get obsessed with cannabis and learn all about the things that cannabis can do, we learn all about the medicinal attributes and this, that, the other thing. It's like what cannabis has taught me was to be like, yeah, like if you want to grow the best cannabis, then also be the healthiest version of yourself. It's like, why wouldn't you, don't those two things align?

3:05:27BubblemanIt's like, oh, I only smoke the best cannabis, but I eat Big Macs.

3:05:32Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's like, do better. After I had the hernia repair, it was, I'm not saying it's funny, but it was interesting how many people I talked to that also had hernia repair surgery and people who are completely healthy and normal. I mean, I'm a little- It can happen to anyone, dude. It can happen to anyone.

3:05:52BubblemanEven someone who's lifting weights and taking super good care of them can absolutely give themselves a hernia. There's a point of no return that it doesn't matter how strong you are. If you lift too much, you'll tear that muscle.

3:06:06Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

3:06:08BubblemanThat's for sure. That's for sure. I know healthy people, like athletically healthy people who have absolutely torn their hernia.

3:06:16SpeakerI think it comes from like heavy lifting and then the turning. It's like turning while lifting. Maybe there's some, you know, science there.

3:06:26BubblemanI don't know. It's one to not have to experience, I think, you know. I've experienced, I broke 17 bones. I don't need a hernia.

3:06:35Dr Mark ScialdoneSo here are a couple firsts for me. I had never been checked into the hospital. I mean, I had been to the hospital certainly for my kids' births, you know, and, you know, had checked my wife in the hospital. I had never worn a bracelet, never. I'd never stayed overnight at a hospital and never had any surgery. So this was... Definitely a new thing for me. And yeah, the robot, I saw someone mention this in the chat.

3:07:01Dr Mark ScialdoneThe robot was the Da Vinci robot. And this is like super high tech, you know, where medical science has gone today. You know, Marcus, what I was thinking when you were talking about this too is, you know, maybe at some point that operation doesn't even need to be done All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

3:07:44Dr Mark ScialdoneUsing her hands and her tech, you know, her surgical technique. Like I, you know, imagine what they're going to be able to do in the future when you put AI involved in that. And you basically have some type of artificial intelligence interface between the surgeon or the doctor and the patient. That there's some... I don't even know what it's going to look like. You're just going to go into a booth.

3:08:11BubblemanYou just have to watch a Marvel movie. And when they go to the hospital part, I watched The Wolverine with my son the other day. I can't remember which one it was. He goes to Japan to say goodbye to some dude that he saved. During the bombings and the guys like a super billionaire and wants his ability to heal and the hospital bed that he has, it's all like these metal posts that like shift and change to move him on the bed and everything is can be seen in his organs operational.

3:08:43BubblemanIt's like the super futuristic shit. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:09:05BubblemanI can't remember the name of it, but it's basically for telling you what's wrong. You lay on this bed and then it does all these crazy Star Trek things and measures your blood pressure and looks at your blood flow and just looks at a whole bunch of trippy shit. It's definitely a unique future we're going to live in with all of these different Robots that are coming.

3:09:28BubblemanIt's kind of trippy.

3:09:29SpeakerYeah. And that's like, yeah, that's the part of science that's amazing. Absolutely, like wildly amazing. If they can figure out how to integrate the part that's missing, which is the problem that I see, is that the holistic side of the internal nutrition is what's lacking. That's the missing piece. That's the problem with the whole... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:10:24BubblemanThe food is so bad in hospitals.

3:10:26SpeakerIt's ironic, right? It's not even ironic.

3:10:29BubblemanIt's psychotic.

3:10:30SpeakerYeah. Like, where's the Brussels sprouts for the healing? What the fuck, dude?

3:10:34BubblemanHow about some kimchi? I don't know.

3:10:36SpeakerYeah, kimchi. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, I love me some kimchi.

3:10:41BubblemanYeah. Why are we drinking Pepsi at the hospital when you could get a kombucha?

3:10:46SpeakerRight.

3:10:47BubblemanYeah. Like, why aren't they teaching about gut health at the hospital and saying, look, most of this stuff is related to your gut health, so we're mostly going to fix your stomach and your gut health. I'll tell you what.

3:10:55SpeakerI'll tell you exactly why. I'm like the primo example because when I was, till I was like 28, I spent, I would go to the doctor like 10 times per year. That's how like immunologically thick I was, like roughly, right? Jesus. Then I went to Humble and I met this acupuncturist and it totally revolutionized, like flipped the script. I went from going 10 times a year to once in 10 years.

3:11:21SpeakerLike that's how much I was able to like avoid going to the doctor. It was all diet, nutrition changes, right? So like think if everyone did that, the whole profession would, the monetization of it would collapse. It would fall out. And we have the backbone, which is the technical side of the surgical part, which is incredible. But all of the other stuff would like, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:12:12BubblemanYeah, right. It's an action. Yeah. It's like when you're doing something to help people. I mean, the Hippocratic Oath is to do no harm. Strange oath should be to like, I don't know why it's a double negative, but it's like, let's just do good. How about we make that the oath to do good?

3:12:31SpeakerNo confusion there.

3:12:34BubblemanThey call it practicing medicine.

3:12:36Etienne FontanNobody's mastered that shit.

3:12:38BubblemanThat's for sure. I'm always afraid to go with the person who's practicing. It's like they don't call it practicing mechanic, even though aren't we all practicing? We all know we're practicing, but when you put the word in the front, it's like having that big N on the back of your car when you're driving. It's like it tells me I shouldn't be behind you. At least here in Vancouver, we have the N for new drivers.

3:13:01BubblemanOh, that's what, really? Yeah, they're usually like 16, 17, 18-year-old kids.

3:13:05SpeakerThat makes sense, actually. You can keep your distance.

3:13:08BubblemanWell, there's only one thing worse than a green N, and that is, of course, a red L, which is the learner's permit that you get before you get your N. So you should really be afraid of those people.

3:13:19SpeakerOh, hilarious.

3:13:20BubblemanWhich, of course, we all would have been at one point. I never had to go through that, but my kids both had to be Ls, and then Ns, and then, you know, move on from that. That's how it goes. That's funny, man.

3:13:31Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, in the States, we just usually have a bumper sticker that says student driver, right?

3:13:37Collin PalmerOr the thing on the top that's like the taxi thing where it says student driver, like with the two lights on either side.

3:13:43BubblemanThat's when they're learning, right? In that car? Yeah, yeah. That's the car that has two steering wheels. Right.

3:13:50Etienne FontanIn America, the learner's permit is also shot by profile. It's not your forward as well. That's hilarious.

3:13:58SpeakerWell, hey, Marcus, I probably got a jet. I got the kids and the wife.

3:14:02BubblemanWell, thanks for spending so much time with us, Russ. Really appreciated it.

3:14:06SpeakerYeah, thank you so much for having me on. It's been really a pleasure, honored, and nice to meet all of you guys. And hopefully we can do this again. Why don't you tell everyone quickly where they can find you? Oh, yeah, sure. Well, the website's www.cha.education. And the Instagram handle is also at cha.education. It's kind of hard to find. I'm, you know, They show the shadow band is the word.

3:14:33SpeakerSo you got to type the whole word out. CHA.education. I just posted it into the chat as well as your website.

3:14:40BubblemanYeah.

3:14:41SpeakerAnd I'm usually there. I'm usually in that app quite a bit. I, you know, and then I'm working. So those two places come check it out. If you have any questions, I'm always available to chat on Instagram. You can see the backup accounts too. So thank you very much. Awesome, dude.

3:14:56BubblemanThank you so much. Have a great day.

3:14:59SpeakerI'll talk to you guys later about genetics and stuff. I'd love to talk to you later.

3:15:03BubblemanYeah, we'll get you back on here for sure.

3:15:05SpeakerThanks for having us. It was nice meeting you guys. Nice to meet you. Peace, bro.

3:15:11BubblemanSuper good, dude. I love having new folks come on and share with us and just fit right in and just be like a great addition to the panel. It was super nice. I mean, you guys have all shared a hundred plus hours with each other and he's just, he just flowed really nicely. I appreciate, appreciate Ross. And ATN, your human mistake made me realize I should invite Ross onto Hash Church and have him come tell his crazy Olympic story and bring, he's got a whole cannabis company now.

3:15:43BubblemanRoss is gold.

3:15:45Etienne FontanYeah, I follow him on Facebook. That's awesome. They look similar.

3:15:49BubblemanYeah, no, that's awesome. I'll get them on here for sure. I've got, I've got, I've been talking to Kaya and I think that's going to be November 9th. Let's see if I can find it real quick here. I can't. I tried. Yeah, I have a good show planned with Kaya from November. Kaya's Coffee there down in Washington. He's got a new company with a bunch of baller dudes that are all like, I think, Chem Dogs in there and maybe OG Jaws.

3:16:27BubblemanThere's a whole bunch of them. I don't want to... I had the list, but I don't have it up right now. They're going to come do a show. We're going to talk more about genetics and breeding and seeds and whatnot. That's going to be in November 9th. I've also been talking a little bit to... Jimmy from the Original Breeders League. And he's been doing some monster project and Mojave and Rob have worked a little bit with him on that project as well as some other folks.

3:16:55BubblemanSo we'll get some of those guys in. Be nice to hear from Mojave again and always nice to have Rob Clark on the panel sharing with us. So that's going to be another show that we're planning here in the near future. And I got a couple others. But I'm trying to plan. I mean, lately, we've just been doing a lot of these wonderful, just whatever happens, happens hash churches, which I love.

3:17:16BubblemanBut I do appreciate when we put a little bit of energy to actually create a proper conversation that flows through like the Volatile Organic Compound Show. That was a really good one. We definitely got to do that again. I do feel as well at TI, maybe you could help with this. Before Wade passed away, he had mentioned a few times that he wanted to do a hash church show.

3:17:39BubblemanOn compassion. And so we got to kind of figure out how to do that. I would think right off the bat, when I think of compassion, I would think Hillary Black from the BC Compassion Club. I would think Valerie Corral, who I know would come and speak at a show that we were doing in honor of Wade, because this was really the last show that he wanted to do was the Compassion episode.

3:18:04BubblemanSo let's, yeah, maybe put our heads together on that in the near future and see who we can bring together to honor Wade and to honor Compassion.

3:18:13Etienne FontanYeah. Yeah, you should bring Monica on. Forrest, yes, of course. Monica, yes, absolutely. And Forrest, too, because Forrest, we're going to try to get to the UN.

3:18:21BubblemanI heard. That's amazing. That's, that's, I think that's really good. How is Silas doing? Do we know?

3:18:28Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

3:18:48Etienne FontanHe grew out of his epilepsy and he is, um, doing, he looks and acts like a normal 16 year old, you know, he was all, you know, kind of sheepish and stuff, but I was fucking happy to see it, you know, because we watched Forrest suffer, you know, and I, I sometimes hear the helicopters flying over my house going to the children's hospital and I would wonder if that's Silas and on his way because at times there was.

3:19:16Etienne FontanSo, To know that he was able to benefit from this medicine and grow, it's just a testimony to, you know, Forrest and his family, as well as to Wade and Monica's compassion to help, you know, it was... I hated to, under those circumstances, but it was beautiful. You know, that makes sense. Life has those beautiful horrors, I think, to life sometimes that you always have to look toward the silver linings and the beautiful things.

3:19:50Etienne FontanAnd, you know, the funerals aren't for the dead, they're for the living, right? So we always have to remember that.

3:19:56Dr Mark ScialdoneAwesome. Well, Forrest definitely gets a nomination for World's Greatest Dad, right? Because, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm getting choked up just thinking about it. You know, again, there's nothing that you want for your kids other than for them to be happy and healthy. And I'm sure the fact that what you're saying, ATN, is it sounds like Silas is kind of normal and not, you know, Thank you for watching.

3:20:44Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd when you see your kids suffer again and you know that cannabis could give them relief, but oh, it's against the law, right? It's just a fucking bunch of bullshit.

3:20:54Etienne FontanNo, and he put it all on the line and, you know, having to go to a children's hospital, there's no way his kid didn't come up positive. You've got to explain that and deal with the doctors and all of that. You know, I'm not a father. I don't envy that in any way, shape, or form. I have great kids. humility and compassion for all of you fathers that have taken that upon yourselves and but you know it's still gut-wrenching to hear and to see somebody go through something that you know is just a miswiring of nature and that you know cannabis and hash church were here so that we could learn about him and their experiences and that he could come And share his pain and his hurt.

3:21:34Etienne FontanYou know, that had to be therapeutic to a certain resolve to, you know, to finally be able to, I don't know, y'all are fathers, I can't explain it, you know, but I feel it, you know, but you feel it at a different level. Because once you have a child, I'm told, it's basically nonstop worry from then on, right? You have, right, Marcus, Colin, you know, it's a constant kind of a reality.

3:21:58Etienne FontanI don't know, Brian, you have any kids or not, but You know, I, you know, I have cats and I have a wife and that's hard enough, but to then raise a child and have to deal with them being sick and being ill and then have to risk your freedom and your reality potentially, right? CPS is a reality, right? That's one reason I didn't have a kid because I was a hardcore activist and I saw other hardcore activists get fucked with by Child Protective Services.

3:22:25Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

3:22:47BubblemanPretty sure Forrest came on and then brought Wade on. So what a blessing. It was always very difficult listening to Forrest tell his stories and holding back tears and the suffering that that whole entire family was going through along with Silas, this poor little boy just suffering from seizures. It really spoke volumes to the angelic Robert Steneck, Jr.: Thank you so much for having me.

3:23:20Etienne FontanWell, it was all anecdotal, right? They didn't have science to really back it, right? They had to take chances. I mean, when he came on and told us about the butterfly children, I'd never heard of such horrible diseases that inflict the world. You know what I'm saying?

3:23:40Etienne FontanIt's disturbing to learn, but it's also humbling to realize that even though there are those horrible things out there, there are people like Wade and others Who are trying to help and heal those rare things.

3:23:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, Forrest relied on the Caladrius Network. And I think when he talked about that, we were like, oh, what is this all about? And it ended up being that that was Wade's thing. And ATN, wasn't it the change in the California regulation that then snuffed that whole thing out? They couldn't. So the compassion element of being able to get these kids medicine was now against the law.

3:24:27Etienne FontanSorry, that's why we had to create laws like SB 34, which is now AB 2555, which allows for compassionate giving because originally in Proposition 215, that's what was expected. There was no money. It was to be collective and given away. So we had to change those laws to exist because really Valerie and Mike Corral were the true collectives doing it, coming together collectively. Everybody had to contribute, whereas we felt that That public wanted to pay.

3:24:58Etienne FontanThere was an availability now for patients who, congratulations, you just found out today you've got scheduled whichever cancer and now you've got to deal with chemotherapy next week, right? These are the realities that we were engaged with as well as, again, relying on other anecdotal patients until the science caught up. But yes, that's part of the eternal vigilance of, you know, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:25:49Etienne FontanCalifornia Normal and various other organizations, we all had to go testify up in Sacramento so that we could continue to give away tax-free cannabis. And that goes for another five years, then we're going to have to go back and do it again because that's just the reality of things. And what sucks is because California is the only one that does this. There are other states that could be doing this, but that don't.

3:26:15Etienne FontanNot only have we been around for 26 years, I've been giving away free cannabis for 26 years. Regardless of the law, I would buy it and still give it away because there's people who cannot afford it. And even though it crosses every socioeconomic barrier, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:26:48Etienne FontanAnd in hopes that others would actually learn from our compassionate giving and follow suit. But unfortunately, nobody really did. And we're proud of what we have here in California, but we wish the other 49 states would do so. And I don't know what's happening in Canada in the sense of if you're a low income patient. And I know that you can order directly from the National Pharmacy app and have it at your door within 48 hours.

3:27:13Etienne FontanBut You know, what about those that are low income who can't afford it, who are just been found out they're having a serious disease? Marcus, what sort of compassionate situation is there? I know some of the clubs still exist, but what happens to them?

3:27:28BubblemanI mean, honestly, a lot of them just got, I don't know if the, I think finally even the BC Compassion Club closed. I'm not 100% sure. I don't want to say that if that's not the case. I know that Selena, who's been on here many times, Has her flower of life thing that she's been doing, trying to get it into this sort of level of more legality than in the gray.

3:27:50BubblemanBut she was doing, you know, kind of one of the last people that I knew that was doing that work. Like if my uncle called me and said, oh, I'm, you know, I need to renew my license, mostly support for patients, you know, but in reality. The access point now in Canada is through recreational. So I would say that the majority of patients in Canada, regardless of what they know, are researching online to find out what kind of tunes into what they have and then going and buying it recreationally.

3:28:23BubblemanThere's very little, you know, there are medical platforms. There's a few of them, and I don't know at what level. I can just tell you that when we had no recreational and every single person was a medical patient and then medical came in, it seemed like 90% of medical patients were people waiting for recreational, like they were still using cannabis and it could be said that it was being used medically.

3:28:47BubblemanBut not the same as what we know, like certain people that are using it, you know, like, there's differences. I mean, all uses medical, I agree. But at the same time, it's, you know, it's definitely, it's unfortunate the way it played out and how it'll play out in every country afterwards, since Canada did it and other countries did it before. It's all on the backs of patients and medical and the promotion of this is going to be a medical thing.

3:29:13BubblemanAnd a lot of the companies that invest are creating infrastructures to support recreational when it appears. And a lot of them, and I mean a lot of them, jump ship when recreational pops up after medical. It's kind of unfortunate and it's too bad someone doesn't recognize that and say, hey, this isn't the best way for us to do this because In the end, it's the patients who kind of get fucked and I'll give you a perfect example.

3:29:41BubblemanMy mom used to get oil tinctures from Whistler, not therapeutics, but Whistler Medical in Whistler. They had a bunch of different oils they sold. They had 18 different ones. And out of all the different companies, she was the most excited because she could order those oils and she could use them to go to sleep. She wasn't into feeling the effects, but she was able to at least get the one she wanted when she wanted.

3:30:05BubblemanPlus there was a variety of choice. And when that company got bought by Aurora, They kind of like overnight ended up having like two tinctures, which she was kind of like, oh, they have two, but they're not really the ones I want. Like there were three that I liked out of the 18 and these two that they have now aren't those three. And I heard that story that I heard from my mom from a lot of people and not just from Whistler Medical and Aurora, but like you could just see the guards changing as medical was turning into rec.

3:30:36BubblemanAnd I think that it, uh, Wasn't super good for medical patients here.

3:30:44BubblemanBut now they have a ton of access along with recreational patients. It's a tough one. How do you isolate and separate the two when really, you know, the way they do it in Canada, they make it against the law to say that there's anything medicinal about it. Yet all of our licenses are because there's medicinal value, but Health Canada who gives those licenses have publicly acknowledged they don't believe there's any medicinal value in cannabis, even though they give licenses to Canadians.

3:31:11BubblemanUnder our charter of rights that say we can use cannabis as a medicine. So by making that law, once again, they fuck the patients because the patients could have just gone to cannabis dispensaries and been like, look, I need one for, I have like tremors. Is there a good one for tremors? Or I need to stimulate my appetite. They can't tell them. They're not allowed here in Canada in the recreational to tell them.

3:31:36BubblemanSo the medical... Institutions have like handcuffed the cannabis and been like, look, we don't want you over here. Go over there. Be sold at gas stations and dispensaries and we'll take care of the medicine over here. So there's definitely animosity and condescension. And, you know, other energies that are still at play, unfortunately. Hopefully it'll play out sooner than later. But once again, once people get what they want, which really was access more than anything, most people fought for medical.

3:32:07BubblemanThat was the very natural access to fight for. No one in their right mind except Skunk Man Sam was like, I'm fighting just for people to get high. Like back in the day, you would never have heard anyone say that. When Skunk Man said that to me, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:32:47BubblemanYou know what I mean? Or people that weren't going to get sick or die right away. Like they all should have the equal fight of access for cannabis. You know, but hey, I'm not mad that it happened the way it happened. It happened the way it happened because of people like Valerie Corral and Dennis Perron and Hillary Black and these people that were like, I am going to, because Hillary was very specific.

3:33:09BubblemanI'm going to help the most vulnerable section of our society. And fuck, how could you not get behind that? You know, it took me years to kind of be like, you know what? I'm glad I did that, but I should be fighting for all of these other people. Why the fuck are we not fighting for the people who are about to get sick? Who could be using cannabis as a, you know, a precursor to reduce inflammation and reduce the possibility of getting sick in the future.

3:33:37BubblemanAnyway, sorry for my rambling.

3:33:40Collin PalmerI think it was good ramble. Solid ramble.

3:33:44BubblemanSolid ramble.

3:33:45Collin PalmerSolid ramble. But it also highlights the fractured system that we have, because we have a similar issue down here in the States. You can't really necessarily go into a shop and say, I have this issue and have someone give you what you need for it. It's always a roundabout way of getting the answer, so to speak, right?

3:34:12BubblemanRight. But that's where the access is.

3:34:15Collin PalmerSure.

3:34:15BubblemanSo wherever you put the access, you have to put the information too.

3:34:20Collin PalmerNo, you're highlighting exactly how broken it is because we do need, we need it all to come together. We need pharmacology so that can inform people's decisions on what they recommend and when and why. People need to know drug interactions, like all the stuff that matters to humans, toxicology and all the other things that wraps around that. You know, like I think it's, It's just important, you know, someone going in there for certain illnesses, certain cancers maybe shouldn't be using cannabinoids, right?

3:34:52Collin PalmerYou know, for instance, you know, there's instances like that, you know, so.

3:35:00BubblemanI just know that that's the first way people were willing to risk. Not for themselves. You know, the patients were the first time you could risk for something greater than yourself, which to me made it easier. It was like, it was less of a risk. It's like, I'm just doing this for these people. I don't give a fuck if I get caught or get in trouble because this is the right fucking thing to do.

3:35:23BubblemanI know it for a fact.

3:35:25Collin PalmerAnd the taxes were not there and the hurdles and the over-regulation, right? Yeah.

3:35:31Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and the whole... On and on and on and on. The whole hypocrisy of Schedule I listing when there are two FDA-approved drugs that are derived from a plant who they continue on Schedule I, which they say there's no...

3:35:51Etienne FontanThe language that you... Now you have them saying that has medicinal use.

3:35:56Dr Mark ScialdoneThe language that's used at ATN is something called currently accepted medical use. And so currently accepted medical use, it's like, what does... How can you divide that? So like if it's accepted, that means that it's, you know, again, been validated in double blind placebo trials to show that these things in a statistically significant swath of the population that gets this disease, that this medicine works. So if that medicine works and coupled with the fact that Those researchers in Bethesda at the NIH patented The neuroprotective property of phytocannabinoids, right?

3:36:52Dr Mark ScialdoneExactly.

3:36:52BubblemanAnd the CBD one.

3:36:56Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so the USPTO is the US Patent and Trade Organization, right? So when you file a patent, it goes to an examiner, right? And the examiner basically just... Thank you.

3:37:28Dr Mark ScialdoneIf you go to that patent, you'll see that there's data in there that basically shows versus control that CBD and other related cannabinoids act as antioxidants which destroy reactive oxygenated species which are responsible for carrying out all kinds of collateral damage. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:38:09Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us today.

3:38:23Dr Mark ScialdoneOne branch of the government said there's accepted medical value, right? Because they looked at the data and they said, yes, it's neuroprotective. Neuroprotective means that basically it protects neurons, right? From free radical mediated damage. So at that point right there, the whole schedule one thing should have come unwound because regardless of Epidiolex getting approved and Marinol getting approved, The U.S. government themselves said that there's medical utility or else they wouldn't have granted a patent on it.

3:38:58Dr Mark ScialdoneHere's the ugly part of that story, too. When that patent got granted, right, it was an issued United States patent, owned, the assignee was the Department of Health and Human Services, right, which is basically the organization that runs the National Institute of Health. Well, then they licensed the patent to a small startup called Canalife in Doylestown, Pennsylvania, that was looking at developing new Neurotherapeutics. So here it is.

3:39:30Dr Mark ScialdoneThe government, right, which claims that the plant from which these compounds are derived has no accepted medical value, is collecting licensing revenue on their patent for cannabis. Right? I mean, where's... Can't make it up.

3:39:50SpeakerDoylestown, Pennsylvania. I love that.

3:39:53Dr Mark ScialdoneWhere does the hypocrisy end on this, man? I mean, I mean, I mean, so, so, and even today, I mean, again, like the last, at the end of the last year, you really talked about this to death, right? ATN, the DEA was having hearings. Ooh, they were having hearings because they wanted to hear from witnesses on why they should consider rescheduling cannabis. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:40:21Dr Mark ScialdoneWe'll be right back.

3:40:40Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause there isn't Schedule 1-3 drugs made from botanicals. So I don't know if any of the facilities that are making cannabis or growing cannabis and making cannabis products would actually be You know, suitable enough for the GLP and GMP manufacturing of scheduled three pharmaceutical.

3:41:05Etienne FontanYet Target is carrying cannabis in Minnesota, as well as Circle K is also going to start carrying cannabis drinks. So isn't it interesting, Mark, that, you know, Dr. Sheldon, how they, you know, they're telling us this with one thing, but we're watching them ignore the situation. The thing that,

3:41:24Dr Mark ScialdoneThe thing that sucks there, ATN, is all of that stuff is just going to be hemp derived D9, right? Which is chemically converted D9. So it's not even really natural D9. So, you know, Hawaii, don't get mad at me. Hawaii is going to get mad at me in the chat. But, you know, I don't think it was the intent when they signed the farm bill. Well, the one thing Hawaii and I do agree on is the one plant.

3:41:52Dr Mark ScialdoneThis is all one plant. It's all cannabis. There is no industrial hemp. Marcus will tell you industrial hemp is the varieties that they grow looking for seeds and oil and protein and fiber and all that other crap, not type three cannabis. So type three cannabis, which again is high in CBD, Could still be grown in a cannabis production kind of environment where you're optimizing for canopy. You're not just growing a bunch of row crops right together next to each other like the plot in Geneva, right?

3:42:28Dr Mark ScialdoneBut isn't it true, again, and we've talked about this issue to death, that even CBD itself, It's in violation of the FD&C Act to put CBD into food, feed, or cosmetics for interstate commerce.

3:42:42Etienne FontanIt's international. The UN even stated it's illegal because of what, you know, the UN Charter states. So they're breaking international law, which is what they beat us over the head with.

3:42:55Dr Mark ScialdoneDoesn't that tell you, ATN, that they didn't even contemplate cannabinoid production in the farm bill?

3:43:01Etienne FontanThey didn't even give it the concept of an idea of a thought.

3:43:04Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. And they keep on talking about the next version of the farm bill kind of fixing this, but I don't think the next version of the farm bill is going to fix anything because guess what? The regulation over the plant on the farm bill ends at harvest, right? So once that stuff is deemed as hemp... Right? It's just, I don't think it's going to end.

3:43:29Etienne FontanI have no idea how we got here, you know, in reality, but we've been here for a while. And again, that's the twisted reality, which is for those who are watching, Target announced this week that they're going to be carrying. You know, cannabis drinks in Minnesota. And of course, Circle K is going to follow suit. So there is a normalization against the regulations that we are the legal market is drowning under that the hemp market is making so much money that they're bribing the president and Congress to keep the status quo.

3:44:03Etienne FontanThat's the reality we're living in.

3:44:05Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat do you think is going to happen? Like what do you think that they're actually going to address? I mean, they can't. The government's fucking closed right now, man. They're all they're either employees have been furloughed or told not to come back in or it's all fucked up. Do you think even this even comes onto their radar at all?

3:44:23Etienne FontanYeah, I mean, there are Congress people. I mean, you know, Rand Paul's doing stuff with cannabis. And in Kentucky, we saw the Kentucky Woods stuff that was happening around that. He was actually at their plant, you know, but at the same time, you've got, you know, a completely dysfunctional government. I have no idea what's going to happen. I just said I have no idea how we even fucking got here.

3:44:43Etienne FontanYes, I do anticipate there is going to be laws to close the loophole. There's been talks about it, but now people have been making so much money, the bribes are flowing. And once the bribes are flowing with this administration, all bets are off. Anything is possible. And the hemp industry is throwing the money to make it possible because this is their last... Stan, so to say, right?

3:45:08Etienne FontanAnd they're making the most of it.

3:45:14Etienne FontanI don't know.

3:45:15Collin PalmerSeems like it's by design. Yeah, I mean, I was gonna ask the question, like, is it that surprising that we're here? You know, because by construct, if you look at the Cole memo, which is like, what sets the tone of like the whole thing, right? It's clear as day that what you just highlighted, Dr. Mark, is law. Once it's harvested, it goes off to a processor. That processor has literally no oversight.

3:45:45Collin PalmerIt's really a brand that comes in and starts asking questions. Do you have COAs? You know what I mean? And then from there, the people that sell it are going to find, you know, We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here.

3:46:21Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you so much for joining us.

3:46:45Dr Mark ScialdoneWhen you're looking, yeah, I mean, the, the, the, okay, you have the trap market, right? The legacy market, right? Which anything goes in, right? And you, you know, Colin, we've talked about this in terms of like the trap city. You know, New York City shops, right, where you can just go and, you know, get yourself a copy of New York Times, buy yourself a ham, egg and cheese and get yourself a half ounce, you know, just from not, it doesn't even look like a pipe shop or a smoke shop.

3:47:14Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's, you know, they might sell papers, they might sell lighters, but, you know, anything that, you know, commuters who are going to their job and some high rise need, right? So, yeah. You know, you get off the train, you go, you buy a sandwich, you get bag of weed and you get a Coke and then you go. I mean, it's like, I don't know how. And a lot of that stuff, like I was kind of making fun of this on LinkedIn last week.

3:47:44Dr Mark ScialdoneThe new pre-roll is Super Sack Hemp. Plus botanical terpenes, plus a little bit of THC isolate so you could get a good THC number on that pre-roll. And so that is the cheapest way to make pre-rolls this year. And like I said last year, when I went to the MJ BizCon out in Las Vegas, Colin, it was the fucking pre-roll show. Every booth or every other booth was like either a pre-roll machine, pre-roll papers, pre-roll packaging, because it's cheap, right?

3:48:18Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd there's such an abundance of hemp.

3:48:19Collin PalmerIt's also convenient. You know, like most people on a lighter, right? So, you know, it's a lot easier for them to even, you know, especially in 2025, 26, they don't even want to roll it.

3:48:32Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it's a lot easier to be profitable. I mean, like, I think that like if you get a license and even if you're like you're in New York or Massachusetts or even here in Vermont, you get a license. And you have to, you know, again, get all of your employees, you know, badged and FBI checked and there's cameras all over the place. And right away, even before you turn on the lights at your grow, you've spent 10 times more money than someone who's just like, oh, I can get some super sack hemp from some guy in Illinois or some shit like that, right?

3:49:10Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's probably last year's fucking harvest, not even sitting in the fucking warehouse for a summer. And now they want to reduce those prices. So they'll take that super sack, which is like 350, 400 pounds, and they'll sell for a few hundred bucks, which is pennies on the dollar. I mean, at the end of the day, you could basically make a pre-roll. It smells like weed. Test for THCA, right?

3:49:35Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause there's now isolate. THC isolate, this stuff here is a fucking commodity.

3:49:44Collin PalmerYeah, no, I get it. I get it. So I think like just for the listeners out there, like, you know, what Dr. Marks like highlighting is that, you know, you could just go with your thumbs and go buy whatever you want out there and it'll produce a effect. We'll just call it that. But we'll call it give you an experience, like let's say an amazing gram of hash or a jar of rosin.

3:50:07Collin PalmerI'd debate that, right?

3:50:09Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, but how does that compete? If it's all based on price, and even like my wife who will go to the dispensary to buy stuff, she'll look to see, hey, what's that, you know, I'm already at the dispensary, I'm getting fleeced already, what's the best value for my buck? And she will look at THC levels and we'll look at THC levels and the pre-rolls and everything, and so, but is that really, Is it really meaningful?

3:50:38Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, the interesting thing about the pre-roll market, again, is like, I think the pre-roll concept is a popular one because sometimes people want to go to the dispensary, right? ATN, you probably know this, right? Buy a couple pre-rolls on their way to a gig or on their way to a party, right? It's like, oh, I'm all stocked up, right? I got a couple pre-rolls. So I think people want to buy pre-rolls.

3:51:02Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I mean, how do you keep... We'll see you next time.

3:51:11Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, possible.

3:51:13BubblemanThe only way you can stop that is if people don't buy it. That's it. Yes, exactly. You can't control anything. If people are going to buy it, then they want it. It's like complaining that, you know.

3:51:25Etienne FontanFriends don't let friends buy pre-rolls.

3:51:28BubblemanRemember we tried this with, what's his name? That's a good t-shirt. I want that one. Irv? No.

3:51:35Etienne FontanYeah, if you love somebody, don't give them a pre-roll.

3:51:39BubblemanWell, we had this with Irv. I think it was Irv Rosenfeld who had the tins of cannabis. And we were like, we're going to get you better weed. And he was like, guys, I love these joints. They're perfect for what I want. And it's a hard thing. To imagine, and I was like that for the longest time, just thinking everyone needed something great.

3:51:59Collin PalmerThese are pretty good joints. I got to give it to the 710 boys. They gave me these out in California, and they're pretty good.

3:52:06Dr Mark ScialdoneHold them up, Colin. Let me see.

3:52:08Collin PalmerThey use the pasta as the filter. It's in a glass jar, right? I put mine in a glass jar, too. It's similar. It's just on a pop top. But it's, you know, it's a nice joint and it smoked really good.

3:52:23BubblemanIt's a joint that comes in a glass jar.

3:52:25Collin PalmerIt does. There was five of them. It's a five pack of two gram joints. So there were two gram joints in a five pack. And I think that's the right way to do it is like give someone in their hand where you can see that their hand rolled and They're nice, you know, probably a little bit more expensive, but the convenience of having that pre-rolled like that, I could see how if I'm a consumer, that's how I'd roll a joint.

3:52:52Collin PalmerI roll joints just like that for myself if I'm going to smoke a joint.

3:52:56Etienne FontanIn 2011, when I was going through the Dutchmaster program, one day we spent going to coffee shops, and when we were sitting in the Duff coffee shops, more people were coming in and ordering pre-rolls because they don't know how to roll a joint. Period. And they want the convenience. They don't want the inconvenience. They don't want to embarrass themselves. They'd rather get it in a simple, all easy and well to go.

3:53:18Etienne FontanSo it can be done and it can be done well. But the problem is, is that the majority of people are using the cone papers and the cone papers, as you know, when you get down to two inches, it clogs up. And so you've got now almost two inches of cannabis. You now have to figure out what to do with because so now here in California, they're going with the more wider stem all the way down with a glass stem.

3:53:43Etienne FontanSo again, consumers demanding something because they're frustrated because they don't want to buy a product and pay this much and then this much won't work. You know what I'm saying?

3:53:52Collin PalmerNo, the glass tips are good. And you're right. It's all about the grind diameter. I mean, honestly, there's an art to the perfect joint. I mean, I

3:54:00Etienne FontanAnd more don't do it right, as you know, Colin, then do it right.

3:54:05Collin PalmerNo, you're right. They don't understand the right grinders. They have the right diameters. It's all off and the airflow gets all messed up. And yeah, that's an adverse experience. And it just takes one experience for that, to your point, for someone to just go back to buying an ape and it being hard to move it. But yeah, I mean... But they can be good. I just wanted to highlight that because I've had some good experiences with it.

3:54:34Etienne FontanMarcus, this is a great time to close this out and bring us back to Wade.

3:54:40BubblemanPerfect. I'm going to do that. I got Wade's video right here. I don't know if it's exactly where it was, but we'll just watch the last five minutes of it. I want to thank everyone for watching before I put Wade on because I will not say anything once Wade is spoken. I want to thank Puff Co and Bubble Bags and the Press Co for sponsoring the show.

3:55:01BubblemanThank everyone for watching. Thank everyone on the panel. Yes, Dr. Mark, you got your your proxy. I got my proxy here. We'll all have proxy soon enough. They're coming. Trust me. But yeah, in the meantime, here we are. Mr. Wade laughter. Closing us out, Wade, if you don't mind.

3:55:23SpeakerYeah, I'm going to stop there. Enjoy what you have and celebrate it. Be grateful. I think it makes a lot of sense for everybody who's listening to, you know, learn how to be present with the people in your life In all kinds of different ways, don't assume that the beautiful relationship that you have right now will always be that way. Be that in business, or in romance, or in real estate, Whatever, you know.

3:56:12SpeakerOne of the cliches that I've come to realize is deep truth. There's some little cliches that are sort of funny, and then there's others that are funny, and there's a deep truth.

3:56:29SpeakerAnd I don't remember this one.

3:56:32SpeakerYes, the... What you have in your life, the situation that you have in your life right now, ideally it's a situation you're enjoying and find fulfilling and, you know, are surrounded by people who care about you and you're just having a grand old time. And to be really clear, there's nothing wrong with that. By all means, by all means, enjoy your life when your life is providing you what you want from it.

3:57:10SpeakerAnd I'm just here to testify to the idea that your life may not always give you what you want. The cliche I was trying to remember is the only constant is change. And that's really true. It's a part of Mahayana Buddhism. It's one of the paths of meditation to really just go into, yeah, the moment, if you will. So since it's church and Wade's given testimony today,

3:57:58SpeakerI would remind all of you to take the time to recognize that you are worthy.

3:58:11SpeakerYou are worthy of the respect and love of your community. You're worthy of the love and respect of your family.

3:58:21SpeakerBut really, at core, you're worthy of the love and respect For yourself, for the human being you are, not for your activities, for the being that is there with you when you go to sleep at night, that person. It's just you. You're not proving anything. Not making the world a better place. Maybe you're going to get some rest, which might help you feel better. So there's an act of loving kindness.

3:59:03SpeakerBut yeah, it would be to take a moment, maybe every day, part of your daily thing. Put it on your calendar, if you will. Take a minute to appreciate you.

3:59:20SpeakerTake a moment to appreciate you. I can't even begin to express how much Monica has done for me over the last four years and the cost to her.

3:59:46SpeakerWe're both pretty tired, I gotta say.

3:59:51SpeakerAnd... I'm lucky to have her. I'll say that.

4:00:06BubblemanPeace out, everybody.