Beasters, Legacy Markets and Addiction

0:06BubblemanRecording in progress. That didn't sound right. That sounded like... Oh.

0:17BubblemanAll right. Looks like we're working here. Okie dokie. Let's see how many of these I have open. Ah, there's another one. Welcome, everybody. Sorry about the technical difficulties. I do think my headphones are not working properly, so just give me a second on that. And yeah, welcome, everybody. Hash Church, season 11, episode 52. Kind of tripping out. Yes, good, my headphones are working properly now, so that is wonderful.

0:50BubblemanWelcome, everyone. Welcome, OG Brick 420 and Boro Josh 90 and Carol LEDs and UAPG007 and Pizza Chad. I'm a bit of a Pizza Chad myself. Pemina River, Arthur the Legend 420, and everyone else. Booth9666, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention you, good brother. Thank you all for legitimately spending time The entire, I know I got an alarm going off here. I do. The entire year with us here at Hatch Church.

1:23BubblemanIt's been an absolutely incredible year. I am going to, I don't even have a single person coming into this room right now because I did send the invite out very late last night. I have been failing. I like to get the invite out on Monday. I sent it out to the core group. It is the holidays. We'll see who shows up. In the meantime, I really, really need to shout out our sponsors in a big way.

1:50BubblemanI will read the sponsorship thing, but I also want to add something on my own. So we'll start with that first and foremost. Let me get in here real quick. Okay. Here we go, everybody. First and foremost, well, we want to thank the Press Club. We want to thank the Press Club, trusted by top hash makers from around the world since 2016. That means we are going into a very special 10-year anniversary for the Press Club.

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5:37BubblemanAwesome. Thank you, Puffco. Truly and seriously, thank you to Puffco and the Press Club for being such amazing sponsors. We look forward to working through the year with them. We look forward to getting more gifts out to the peeps. We're going to do some more giveaways with... With the Press Club and who knows, maybe even Puffco will kick down a giveaway or two this year. Now, don't get me wrong, they have been extremely generous and offered to the panelists.

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7:03BubblemanSo shout out to the sponsors. Thank you all so much for a wonderful year. And look at that. We got nobody. We got nobody.

7:18BubblemanLet me see if I can get someone to join real quick. Otherwise, you know what? I'll pop some bowls. I've got my pivot. I've got my proxy. And I've got my peak, but I am in the middle of just drying out the bowl. But let's take a little dabby dabba doodle. I got some full melt bubble. Mmm, mmm. Yes, excellent, Robert. I would never forget that either.

7:47BubblemanI remember all my sessions with Skunk Man Sam. And let me tell you. I had a lot of them. I was blessed. I was blessed. Now Skunk Man Sam sits in ashes on my desk. I think of him all the time. I think of his lovely family. I think of how much they're missing him. I got a couple of dabs on there on the top there. Probably hit those today actually.

8:10BubblemanMaybe we'll hit those right now in fact. Let me see. Do I have... I do have another Puffco right here that is ready to go. I charged it up last night. So let's hit a little bit of full mountain booboos. Oh, there's a little bit of rosin in there too. So that is going to be a double trouble maneuver. Yes.

8:35Bubbleman52 episodes. Now, don't get me wrong. We're probably legitimately on like episode 70 or something because we did do a solid 10 or 15, whatever it was at the end of the last season, which we will be going into season 12 this year, which is incredible. Man, I miss it too so much. Benja. If someone calls me, it's on my phone. My phone is Sam saying, howdy, howdy.

9:05BubblemanThat's my ringer. If anyone wants that ringer, you can reach out to me via bcbubbleman at icloud.com. And I'll send it to you via email. Thanks to Ed, who has been going through all the hash churches and pulling all the good, all the good Wade laughter stuff and all the good Skunkman Sam stuff. Give them a call, Pamina River. Right now we have discounts. Hashtag 10 is going to give you a discount right off the bat.

9:34BubblemanSo yes, you can. Oh, he's not going to come in. Okay.

9:50BubblemanAll right. So we're going to have a little puffy puff. And then we'll get into the show. I'm sure we'll get some Caleb's and some Dr. Mark's and some Colin's a little later on, but it is the holidays. Mr. Ryan said he's going to come in here in a few minutes, so that would be nice. Looks like he's popping in. It's always easier to bounce off someone else than just yourself at this sort of time in the morning.

10:17BubblemanBut you know what? Let's get the... Let's get the bubs melting and that'll get the dialogue flowing. How's it going, buddy? Happy holidays.

10:30Og BrickHappy holidays to you and all, church.

10:33BubblemanYou feeling good? You look good? You look like you're better?

10:37Og BrickYeah, the COVID's gone. I'm tired. I was up late, late last night. I was just telling you on offline, a friend of mine's, you know, she's got a family member that's got addiction issues and he didn't show up for Christmas. The family's all worried. They've filed police reports and everything. So I was up chatting with her about it last night. She's in Europe, so.

11:00BubblemanDude, addiction is terrifying. It really is. I mean, it's one thing if you get addicted to like watching movies or like, you know, like other, there's a lot of things one can get addicted to, but there are some really dangerous things that just are any of the opioid family, you know, you get addicted to the opioids and it's just seemingly so easy for that drug to turn off your heart and or your breathing.

11:25BubblemanThat it just becomes pretty scary. It becomes pretty real. I will say that much from the people that I know that have been dealing with addiction on that level. It's just fucking terrifying. So my thoughts go out to your friend in Europe as well as her loved one who is suffering from addiction and anyone that's suffering from addiction.

11:47Og BrickYeah, well, you, I mean, you know the story. I don't, I haven't really talked about it publicly in the cannabis industry, but my dad had some very serious addiction issues his whole life. He was a dentist and, uh, you know, he made a lot of money at a, at a certain point in time when I was growing up, but he got into like banging pharmaceutical grade Coke.

12:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDamn.

12:08Og BrickSo like liquid Coke that they'd order, you know, people, some people are allergic to the standard, um, The standard anesthetic that they use. And he was injected that for a while, which was just, you know, like not a really good thing. That was when I was really quite young. And he's had like various relapses over my life. And in 2005, he went off the rails pretty hardcore and got into pills and started smoking crack.

12:40Og BrickAnd, you know, like I pulled him off the street at like 75 pounds when he was 61 years old.

12:48Og BrickReally not in good shape. Jesus Christ. And it's incredibly traumatic for the family to go through that because there's nothing that you can do. When someone's on like a real addiction bender, you can try to give them all the support that you want in the world. And if they're not willing to go along with it, there's nothing you can do, right? And, you know, there was, there was some money and some properties involved when he was kind of throwing things away and his business and all this other stuff.

13:18Og BrickAnd so, you know, I was like, you're working with the courts to try to like intervene in somehow. And the thing that I came to learn through the court system was that people have a right to mismanage their affairs. So the system's not really set up to help. And when people are really going off the deep end, the only thing That's all good. Um,

14:02Og BrickYeah, our family home kind of turned into a crack home. You know, I was living out on the West Coast and he, you know, he, all these fucking crackheads move into that just because they, you know, he had money and stuff to steal and a place to live. And so it kind of became like the crack house of the neighborhood. And it was in a really nice neighborhood in Ottawa.

14:23Og BrickYou know, doctors, politicians, and lawyers kind of thing. And this big old red brick house,

14:32Og BrickThat became a crack den. And the neighbors were obviously none too pleased about the whole thing. And I think that the neighbors had called the police like 180 times within the previous year. So it was like it was a problem and people breaking in and stealing shit and break you know stealing from the neighbors and stuff but anyway I'm not anyway I don't want to go on and on about it but it's like yeah like when addiction gets out of control people really they go off the rails and there's not a hell of a lot that you can do to try to help them except you know like work with the police to make sure the cops or the the neighbors aren't getting stolen from and You try to use the legal system to kind of corral them and get them into rehab, which, you know, after five years I was finally able to do.

15:24Og BrickBut the whole process is really, really fucking traumatic for the family. So I, you know, like I said, I was up late speaking with my friend last night and just trying to be there for her over her brother. Fucking terrible, man.

15:39BubblemanJust terrible. And imagine your dad's doing this all and they're like, oh, they're stealing from us. You're like, bro, this is my inheritance. They're stealing from me. They're stealing from my dad. They're stealing from my whole family. That must be impossibly difficult to watch happen. All the while, most importantly, your loved one is disintegrating.

16:02Og BrickWell, and that's the thing. It's, it's, it's about that. Like the money comes and goes and you have to, you know, you get to, that was actually one of the major lessons that I learned throughout that like five year process is it's not, it's not, life is not about stuff, right? Like it's just not about the stuff. It's about the people and you can't replace them. And, you know, we have other friends, Mark, in this cannabis industry in Canada.

16:29Og BrickI had another friend that went through this with her brother. And, like, he disappeared and they found him in a ditch in the spring when the snow melted. Right? So it's like the worst can happen. And when you're going through the whole process of those five years, it's like you're literally waiting for the next, you know, the next foot to drop, right? Like you're waiting, you have people, oh, I saw, I saw so-and-so on the street corner and, you know, they look crazy.

16:57Og BrickThey're like, they are crazy, right? Like crack cocaine or even cocaine, if you use enough of it, it's into the, when they bring someone into the hospital with, What they suspect is schizophrenia. The first thing that they do is give people, they clean them up for three or four days, right? And it's like if the psychosis goes away, it's coke addiction. If it doesn't go away, it's schizophrenia.

17:22Og BrickThey're indistinguishable. Like they're phenotypically indistinguishable.

17:26Etienne FontanYeah.

17:27Og BrickSo, um, yeah, so you're, you know, you're like, you're trying to live your life and it's like you get these, all these, like, I used to call them like bulletins from the front line, right? It's like someone calls you up and says, ah, I saw your dad down on the corner, so-and-so begging and... You know, it's like, it's fucking humiliating, right? It's pretty nasty.

17:48BubblemanAnd just, and then humiliating, but it's like, oh, I can't even feel humiliated because that, I would be, I would feel guilty if I feel humiliated because this is my fucking dad.

17:58Og BrickYeah, exactly. And you, you know, you feel, I didn't, I didn't ever feel guilty because obviously there was nothing that I did about it. But it's like, you're trying to, you're trying to be there for these people and you can't be.

18:14Og BrickBecause it's an impossible situation, right? And so you just kind of have to wait for the right opportunity to get in and act. And, you know, my dad, in his case, I met this incredible lawyer in Ottawa, and he was a former alcoholic, and he used to give addicts that had legal trouble free legal advice, and he'd represent them as long as they were trying to get clean and stay clean.

18:40Og BrickAnd so I finally hooked up with him. Actually, someone through I met through, there was a... A guy that I met online named Lothar and he was a lawyer on Overgrow. I don't really remember Lothar Marcus, but he used to post in the legal forums all the time. And when I was back in Ottawa, I hooked up with him and he introduced me to this lawyer that kind of did this pro bono work with addicts.

19:04Og BrickAnd through him, I was able to work with the police. And, you know, just in the course of his addiction, my dad had been picked up by the police a few times. And he was facing charges for possession for the purpose of trafficking. Not because he was trafficking, just because he had enough money to buy, you know, amounts that they considered dealer amounts. And you get, you know, whatever.

19:30Og BrickThey'd... You know, they'd pick him up and he'd go to court. And the court would say, okay, come back in a week or come back in two weeks for your next court date. And, you know, that's not something that crack addicts do or pill addicts do. It's like they run, they stay on the street, they try to preserve the, you know, the craziness as long as they can.

19:53Og BrickAnd so he was finally at the point in time where If they picked him up, that he was going to spend like three to six months in jail while they waited for, they waited for his actual trial. And I went in and, you know, worked with the cops and essentially cornered the prosecuting attorney, the crown attorney, and like prearranged this deal where if I did find him and have him picked up, that they'd send him to rehab, not send him to prison, or send him to jail while they were awaiting trial.

20:26Og BrickAnd so we did that and got him into rehab and, you know, God bless. He's been clean for 16 years since or whatever.

20:33BubblemanCrazy that you can just get drugs in jail. It's like, don't send me to jail, dude, that they have the best drugs. Another thing I would add is that, you know, a lot of these back in the day addictions, cocaine, heroin, Thank you so much for watching.

21:16BubblemanThey continually need to go back, not to mention what it does to your body, bending up all your muscles, tightening you all up. And it's just it really is like a nightmare from from hell that that drug, you know?

21:31Og BrickWell, and like, as you know, what they call the therapeutic window, you know, there's a there's the dose gets you high and then there's the dose that kills you. And the distance between those two doses is what they call the therapeutic window. And for fentanyl, the therapeutic window is incredibly small.

21:47BubblemanIt's like a hair.

21:48Og BrickYeah. And, uh, you know, we, last year, you know, someone that's very important to us in the cannabis kind of legends in the cannabis seed industry, this, this lady that we know, um, she had a 16 year old son and he started getting onto the shit. You know, he was going through a rough patch in his life and, uh, Got kicked out of school for weed. It was actually the principal found weed on him.

22:15Og BrickAnd so they kicked him out of the high school that he was in on the good side of town. And he ended up going to one of these kind of more rougher schools that would accept him. And he started drinking there. And then some of them started getting, you know, they were going and buying. They were a 16-year-old kid, 15-year-old, 16-year-old kid. So they go down to the liquor store and pay some adult to go in and get them booze.

22:37Og BrickWell, the guy that they were paying for booze was this homeless dude and he was using fentanyl and something they called down. It was like a mix of fentanyl and some benzodiazepine and they'd smoke, you know, they smoke it in a pipe. And so this kid starts smoking that and within a couple of months he was gone. He passed away. They found him in the morning, meant to wake him up for school and he was cold in the bed.

23:02Og BrickAnd, and this is someone that's like, you know, very, been very, very close with us for 20, you know, you know, we're very, very well, Marcus. And this is someone that we've worked with for almost 30 years. And it was her only child. And, you know, it's, it was a real tragedy. It was a really, really sad thing. But yeah, like these, these other drugs are fucking dangerous, man.

23:27Og BrickLike they, they ruin lives, they kill people. They cause a lot of harm. And it's one of the reasons that we, you know, we support cannabis is because it's a safer substance.

23:41SpeakerIt's a safer substance than alcohol.

23:42Og BrickWe've got a problem with drugs in our society, right? There's, there's, there's things that are experimental and, you know, interacting with drugs and trying drugs and experimenting with drugs. They're like part of the human experience. Yeah. But

23:59Collin PalmerYou know, Ryan, to kind of dovetail off what you're saying, I think it's important to note that you can't even try things anymore. You can't just be like, I'm going to go out and have fun and take a hit of L or I'm going to go eat this new substance or whatever it might be at a rave or a concert or whatever type of experience you're trying to have.

24:22Collin PalmerIt's no longer a place where you can You know, you don't know the chemist, right? Let's just call it that way. And if you do, you're really lucky that that made it. And that doesn't happen anymore. And if it does, it's stepped on hundreds of times before it even gets to the person that's going to take it to Marcus's point that or what you said with the therapeutic window.

24:47Collin PalmerThere's no way to know, you know, and there are test strips that I highly recommend people that are going to shows and events to make sure you're armed with these types of tools. If you do want to have these types of experiences, you need to be safe. And it's super important that you do have the right tools if you're going to go out there and want to explore with your body and other substances.

25:12Og BrickWell, and youth feels bulletproof, right? There's something about when you're young, you think you can do, you know, you think you can do it all.

25:22Collin PalmerA hundred, yeah.

25:23Og BrickYou know, I mean, we've talked about like heroic doses on this show a hundred times. It's like, and you see people doing it with, you know, it's no different than the frat boys trying to drink half a keg or, you know, two for a beer in like a few hours or, You know, I've had people online come at me in the industry and be like, oh, let's get on stage and see how much, how big a dabs we can do.

25:49Og BrickRight? It's just like, there's like this kind of bravado with like, I can do more than you can.

25:54BubblemanThere certainly was back in the day, not so much for me anymore. I don't know if, I guess young people are probably still doing it. I definitely felt that. That bravado, you know, when I first met Dave, he was definitely out to destroy me. You know, when he first invited me over, he was just like, there was no doubt about it. He was like, I'm going to put this kid to the test.

26:16BubblemanAnd if he's still standing at the end, he can come back. And that was that was amazing. That was like a rite of passage, if you will. That was a rite of passage. It was true, a true rite of passage. And I'll say that, you know, from telling that story to people, I was always so like wanted to respect, you know, Dave and Diana and their space.

26:37BubblemanAnd I didn't want to like talk too much about it yet. I was just so like unbelievably excited to have been invited into the to that area and to be able to have those experiences that, you know, Yeah, there was definitely something about it. It got so many people excited. I swear to God, the first Legends of Hash was just people who wanted the rite of passage to smoke with Dave, to have, you know, and they didn't even know he was going to be dropping the 50, 60% THCA, like just pure heads into the hubbly bubbly.

27:07BubblemanThat was like a huge other legendary, you know, story that would be created. But in the beginning, it was just like, we just want to smoke with Dave. We just want to meet Dave. And that's that's kind of how Legends of Hash, I mean, truly and honestly started. It does give me pause this fentanyl thing and this this drug overdose thing, this sort of bad drugs that are out there circulating and killing people.

27:37BubblemanFor the first time, and I hope people who are pro-cannabis can hear this, I'm starting to see a lot of anti-cannabis stuff again. It's popping up on X, it's popping up on the social media, and what I feel is a real bummer is that it's being It's gaining momentum with pro-cannabis people who are calling out the schedule three. They're like, no, no schedule three, no schedule three.

28:08BubblemanAnd if you read their posts, they sound very much like the Kevin Sabat and the other sort of anti-cannabis people who are promoting all this anti-cannabis stuff. That stuff is like a cherry on top. Soon they're going to be like, look, even the people who support cannabis say no schedule three. And so I just see them gaining momentum again, this anti-cannabis, this prohibitionary mentality. And I would warn the people who are pro-cannabis, don't get caught up even in the optics of looking like you're on their side.

28:44BubblemanThat's all I'll say for that.

28:48Og BrickYeah, well, part of our culture is lived on the fringes of society, right? Like, one of the things that I always loved about cannabis and that we've kind of lost here in Canada was that any family, any mom, and I knew lots of them, they could stick four, six, eight lights in their basement and pay the mortgage, right? Like, it was kind of like the great equalizer that Thank you so much for joining us.

29:24Og BrickThank you for joining us.

29:47BubblemanIt was, but it was based on a terrible reason. It was based on... The prohibition. The prohibition. Here not as bad, although we definitely know people who served, you know, a decade plus in prison in Canada for cannabis. It was a lot more likely to get those 10-year mandatories for herb without even growing it. You can just have like a couple pounds of it and get a 10-year mandatory minimum down in like Alabama or...

30:15BubblemanTexas or some of these other more harsh places.

30:19Og BrickAnd you know people. I mean, you've probably seen a couple of these people posting on things like this Nug Shots guy. And there was another guy I commented on yesterday on IG. But they're doing posts about beasters, right? And it's like, ah, beasters was just a shitty weed that came down from Canada. All candy weed is shitty. And, you know, I lived in California for three years working on that project.

30:39Og BrickAnd You know, being down there legally.

30:41BubblemanAnd I used to hear about the Beasters Project.

30:47Og BrickIt was a project that won a few Emerald Cups. I mean, it swept a couple of years. But they, you know, we were producing really fine cannabis using the lab. But, you know, I would encounter people in the industry down there and they would tell me what their experience with beasters. And we all had like some touch point in that, right? Like, you know, Marcus, I know you knew brokers up in Canada and I'm sure Josh knew some brokers as well.

31:11Og BrickPeople that were running around and very often they were Americans that had come up from the States, either as brokers or growers. They'd set up camp in Canada because it was safer to be here. You know, on the growing end, it was like in B.C., rural B.C., nobody was, I mean, sure, the cops were looking, but I mean, B.C. is four times the size of Germany, right?

31:33Og BrickYou can put four Germanys inside of British Columbia and a lot of it is mountain back roads and There's a lot of places to grow, outdoors and indoors. Buried bunkers and all sorts of shit. And so there was safety in places for Americans to come up and grow. It wasn't so tough pre-9-11. We weren't really watching the borders in the same way that they do now. So, I mean, what was his name?

31:58Og BrickBrian the Glassblower? I mean, he came up and lived up here for a while and he finally got caught and sent back to the States.

32:06BubblemanHe did. I'll never forget that. Walking in front of MPC, Mark Emery's store on Hastings there. They picked him up right there. He was carrying a ballast. Right.

32:18Og BrickYeah. So, but the point is, is like you'd have these Americans coming up and doing business here. And don't get me wrong, there's tons of Canadians doing business too. I'm not pointing the finger at the Americans. But the point was, is that like Canada was kind of an origin source country for a while, right? Like we were like a drug source country. And a lot of the BC Bud, which got labeled as beasters down there.

32:39Og BrickI mean, there was all sorts of, there was high-end weed, there was low-end weed, there was ball, they're not brick, but like, you know, low-odor hash plants and big buds grown by the bikers and shitty grapefruit grown by the Vietnamese gangs and the triads and, you know, by like people that were like human smuggling victims that were like captives in houses and shit. I mean, all sorts of nasty shit went on.

33:03Og BrickAnd obviously, not all of that weed was good, but pre-9-11, before they closed off the border, I mean, all that stuff would sell. So the American buyers, if they could buy it cheap, they could find a market for it down in the States. And the good quality weed, that was all rebranded as like PNW Kind or Oregon Kind Bud or Cali Indoor or whatever the hell it was.

33:27BubblemanDon't tell them it's from BC.

33:29Og BrickYeah, it's just rebranding. See, you have these different brands. Like Beasters was one brand and, you know, the rebranded Canadian weed sold as PNW Kind Bud. Yeah. It was all Canadian. Not all of it, but there was a lot of it. Dude, this was like tonnage weekly was flowing across that board.

33:49Collin PalmerOn the East Coast, man, we had everything mostly came through the tip of Maine and New York because of the reservations up there.

33:59BubblemanYeah.

33:59Collin PalmerYeah.

34:00BubblemanThat was all BC weed too.

34:02Collin PalmerYeah. Well, you know, we got friendly with a couple of guys that were French Canadian guys that were in Montreal and they had a really cool indoor setup and we got to, you know, develop a relationship with them and we would get whatever we couldn't grow. We'd backfill with what they had, right? And that was kind of our consistent source. And yeah, we would do the same thing.

34:24Collin PalmerWe'd be like, yeah, this is from Humboldt.

34:27BubblemanQuebec grew way more weed than BC, but they couldn't touch our quality. So if you got weed from Quebec, it was a much lower grade. And then they would send the BC bud. This was before tumbling. Because once they started tumbling the bud, Nobody needed to grow it good anymore because they were tumbling it. And you have to imagine when you buy 1,000 pounds and you tumble 1,000 pounds, you can get like 100 to 200 pounds of product off of that.

35:03BubblemanSo they were taking this massive amount off. Now, you have to understand, the Canadians couldn't do that unless they were the ones selling it down south because no American in their right mind would be like, I'm going to buy 1,000 pounds of this, and I can clearly see that you've bounced it completely.

35:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAmericans generally don't tumble stuff either. Well, they were.

35:23BubblemanThey were tumbling shit in the 90s, let me tell you, because I knew them very well.

35:27Collin PalmerYou can see the quality difference, dude. It was like this PGR.

35:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNone of the Americans I knew did that.

35:32BubblemanYeah, well, that was the real beginning. That was when the Vietnamese, I'll be honest, when they first grew that grapefruit, we were blown away at it. We couldn't believe that they grew it that well. The first like crops of it. And once those guys started bouncing, they were like, we don't even have to dry this anymore. They were like, we don't have to do anything. All we're doing is getting ground down.

35:54BubblemanWe'll just sell it for $1,800 Canadian a pound, which was very cheap for the 90s because Goodweed was selling for like $25 to $3,000. Yeah, even more, you know, like if you had a good buyer, you could get 32, 33, 3400 Canadian, which, you know, wasn't way more or whatever. It was nothing compared to what you guys were getting in New York, Colin, or in San Francisco.

36:15Og BrickBut it was proportional, right? Because we were the source country. I remember you talking about the Purple Street is what Steve started selling later as cream Sotica. And it was like, not great, but. But it was purple as fuck. It looked like FedEx Bud, right? It was like the deep, dark magenta purple. And, you know, they were taking that stuff for five hours.

36:34Collin PalmerI haven't heard that name in a long time. The Great Creamy Soda Cup. They were. And that was J.Y. J.Y.

36:38Og Brickgrew that shit so well.

36:42Og BrickYeah, and they were selling that stuff for like, you know, 5,000 US a pound in LA. 4,800 solid. Yeah.

36:50Etienne FontanWhich is nuts.

36:52BubblemanJust to give people some perspective, okay? I'll pull up my calculator here. So in the 90s, it was like a 1.4 to 1.48 exchange rate. So like a 4,800 US dollar pound, that's a 1.48 exchange.

37:09BubblemanIs 7,100 Canadian dollars. Yeah. So put that into perspective.

37:15Collin PalmerDude, you're not that far off from what we were doing in New York in perspective, right? Like that, that feels kind of on par. New York was 5,500. No, dude, we went to 85. I, at one point, dude, at least. No, no, no, no, no.

37:28BubblemanThis is, this is,

37:29Collin PalmerThat's sellers in Canada. Oh, you mean like brokering before? Yes. Got it. Got it. Dude, that's.

37:36Og BrickAnd you're also talking, Colin, I mean, you're talking about the sours. We're getting like 8500, right?

37:41Collin PalmerYeah, that was the stuff we were actually growing ourselves. And then we would backfill with like, you know, we put it in these cubes and some beasters. Oh, dude, there were some good batches. We would get some really solid batches. But I remember there was a shift, actually. There's just like this two year shift when I started getting stuff where the buds are just like freaking huge.

38:00Collin PalmerAnd I was like, what is going on with these things? And like they looked like just out of control. And there's you could tell like it was like, oh, that's PGR, man. These things, you know, like it changed. There was a moment. And yeah, because Josh said it maybe a couple maybe last year on an episode of Josh Kelly where we were actually being asked to grow things when we were brokering that didn't smell.

38:25Collin PalmerLike, I grew bubblegum because it was like it didn't really smell that much, right? And that was a unique time in, I think, cannabis because that's when I feel like we were all trying to move a lot of material around, you know? That's when the rain popped up.

38:42Og BrickThat's when Renee popped up. Why do you think David bred the thyle out of skunk? Right?

38:47BubblemanTo get you busted.

38:49Og BrickVitals get you busted. I will say that. That's right. It's true. You see people raging online. Ah, David fucking took the skunk out of skunk. Fuck him.

38:58BubblemanIt kept like 100,000 people from going to prison. Probably more.

39:04Og BrickNot to mention, he was growing like 50,000 square foot greenhouses of it, right? Or setting up people that were. He was supplying the clones. There was a method to the madness. Right? But it's funny how all these things...

39:23Collin PalmerIn hindsight, yeah. But in the moment, it was like, dude, we need more. No, but it was survival.

39:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt was survival. Right? Well, put it this way. That's why the Cannes fans were so popular in Nelson when they came out.

39:35BubblemanHe was always more concerned with... Cannabis being available, but also, you know, making sure that everyone's not busted. And that shit, like, you know, skunk number one came a little late for me. It was over in the 80s. I wasn't really seeing it, but I will say that the Renee, which must have been some skunk pheno of some sort. Because it was just rank and the smallest amount of it, like I'm telling you, like a fan leaf broken off of a bud, a small little curled leaf broken off of a bud that had fallen behind my bookshelf.

40:13BubblemanI smelt it every time I walked from my desk into my kitchen through the doorway. I'd just be like, what the fuck?

40:19Og BrickI remember you telling me about a story where you're going up an elevator with a bunch of totes sealed fucking buds.

40:28BubblemanDo you know how much that was? That was over 100 pounds. Yeah. In totes. And then my buddy thinks it's a good idea because he wants to show me a sample. I tell him you got to seal everything. So he seals everything. Perfect. And then he comes, you know, we're in my penthouse apartment. So we go under the ground to the parking lot. Which you can see the parking lot of my penthouse apartment if you watch the Jet Li movie, Romeo Must Die, because they filmed that in the penthouse apartment across the way in the Twin Towers.

41:01BubblemanBut when he goes to get his brother's Porsche after he escapes the prison in China, that's the parking lot I'm talking about, that underground parking lot. So you can, there's your homework for the day. Go watch Romeo Must Die with Jet Li and you'll see the penthouse parking lot where we moved the pounds. Anyway, sitting at the elevator, And they're like, I want to say five totes tall.

41:23BubblemanSo taller than us, you know, like six and a half to seven feet tall, the big yellow 64 liter totes. And he...

41:31BubblemanHe's standing there and I'm like, I'm catching a whiff of weed. And I'm like, oh my God, dude, like, I get in the elevator. No, two girls, two native girls got into and it wasn't in the elevator. It was in the little room in front of the elevators waiting for them to open. And the native girl to the other girl said, man, it smells like burn in here.

41:56BubblemanAnd I was like, oh, is that like, is she using like a new lingo? And, and then she goes, imagine if those were all filled with burn. And I'm just like, oh my God. I'm like, now my knees are like loose and we're all like, ha ha ha ha ha. Like get in the elevator, go up to the fucking penthouse and, you know, lose my shit on my buddy.

42:20BubblemanIt was, and I said to him, I said, what the fuck, dude? Like, I thought I told you to seal it. He's like, I did, I sealed everything. Like, I don't even, he says, oh, wait a minute. Oh yeah, I grabbed a bud for you to see. I wanted you to be able to like see a bud, smoke a bud, have a bud. And I was just like, dude, you sealed everything.

42:39BubblemanLike 120 plus pounds of weed. And then you left a bud in your pocket. Keep in mind, he drove from the Sunshine Coast to downtown Vancouver. So he took a ferry with that bud in his jacket. He drove like 25 minutes on the highway down through the city, right into all the main streets. Like, holy shit, dude. Talk about not paying attention. I will say this much.

43:07BubblemanWe were all beyond stupid. The shit that I saw back in those days of selling weed, particularly from US people that would come up with money, like 100, 200 Gs, and then do something like, oh, yeah, I went to the peeler bar. What was it called? The Orange No. 5. Which was basically run by the bikers. And then guy goes in there and he's asking people for weed.

43:35BubblemanOh yeah, I need like 100 pounds or whatever. I got a couple hundred grand, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. While he's in there, they just go out, find his license plate. Right. Break into his car and find the $200,000 cash in the trunk. This story happened countless times. Crackheads started becoming savvy to the American plates and the American buyer in specific zones of the city and they just break into those cars and sometimes they get 100 pounds of weed and other times they get a couple hundred thousand dollars in cash and I just always pictured The party that those crackheads were having that night after fucking finding that kind of cash or that kind of stash.

44:19BubblemanAnd it always just melted my brain. Like, oh my God. I can't even tell you how many times it happened.

44:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat was kind of a big difference. Like, we were Americans, you know, that came up to British Columbia and sort of discovered it, you know, in 1998 and had come up to Whistler the year before. We really kind of... discovered what bc bud was and i think beasters really turned out in the end just to be hydroponic and aeroponically grown weed and you can decide you know whether you agree with that or not but because it was just so bulletproof and it was so like you could throw it against a wall and nothing would happen you know it was like almost like like it was fake you know um And... Big Bud and Hashplant.

45:04Og BrickYeah, it was a Big Bud and Hashplant. And anything in that price range, anything in that price range got labeled as beasters down in the States. That's why you had to change the name. Oh, yeah.

45:16Collin PalmerDid you guys grow any Kong? I remember growing a ton of Kong. Kong was grown up here for certain.

45:23BubblemanThe big ones in the 90s... From the hemp star was the big one in the Kootenays. That was one you could get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pounds. And it had a very light green and very crystal covered, very much different, but same, same to the hash plant, which was also Jamaican sugar and all those. Well, that was wall one. That was like Sugar Bear and Sugar Shack and Jamaican.

45:45BubblemanAnd that thing had like five or six names. That was actually pretty strong weed. Also like, oh, very like, Thank you for watching.

46:08BubblemanYeah, exactly. And it looked like it belonged in LA, that flower, you know, it was just big. We always called it like the fake boob, fake eyelash. Bimbo bud, bimbo bud. You know?

46:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's what we felt when we came from Oregon. It was always like our weed was super dank. Like, I mean, I just, I grew up in Southern Oregon, so I was just, I was lucky. You know, my parents were super into weed and, I went to Vietnam and came out and they were super radical. My mom was like dark skinned Puerto Rican in Southern Oregon before the whole Mexican thing and stuff.

46:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere was a lot of parties and things going on. And my dad was like half biker and all the whole thing. But like the weed was always good and super dank, gnarly purple cush ever since I was a kid, like super vibrant, like fuchsia purple cush. Was so good back then. And I just I remember this like this concept that you were safer With weed that didn't smell good, but it just like it hurt my brain because I was like, but weed supposed to smell good.

47:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know what I mean? So all our brains constantly like till you had to drive 200 kilos of it across the country. No, trust me. There's a reason why there's food sealer bags like you can stick a fucking skunk in a triple seal it and drive across the country with it. No one's going to smell it. You know what I mean? And tell scanners and sprinters, scanners come and all of a sudden they're scanning your car on the freeway and all kinds of shit.

47:40BubblemanWell, there were cops that were smart and they were, it was, you don't realize how much you stuck out in reality.

47:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, if you came from a Grateful Dead parking lot, you were used to going. Well, that's right off the bat.

47:53BubblemanYou're on many lists. You're on many lists.

47:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, you're just used to going into the line of fire. Like the cops are before the show. They're after the show. They're in the show. So you kind of, I mean, you have to get good at it or you're going to get fucking...

48:07BubblemanI always just went to shows to enjoy them. I never thought it was a good idea to sell shit at shows. And I knew it wasn't because I would hear about all my friends getting busted. And I thought, this is not a karmic debt I personally want to be a part of.

48:24Collin PalmerLike you, Josh. I took the opportunity to take the opportunity to try to turn it into a business. Yeah.

48:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThanks to the homies that worked the lot, family, because we wouldn't have the shit we have today. So, you know, there's hundreds of people.

48:41BubblemanGive thanks to the homies that did all the time in prison, because that's where the profit came from.

48:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's basically what I'm trying to say. Go free for three.

48:51BubblemanI'll never forget that sentence. Go free for three.

48:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll right. So the worst thing in the world is going to jail. Everyone agrees on that. The second worst thing is everyone losing their whole entire livelihood and not having the ability to work in that space. Like that's not a win. So right now we're not winning simply by bringing people out of jail. Like we need people. No, you have to make cannabis accessible. And we need real people.

49:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for watching.

49:46Og BrickIt's like there was guys like us that were growing the weed and culture people that were selling it and brokering it, but there was organized people too. I mean, dude, there were like the guys associated with Advanced had like an air school, like a flying school down by the border over in Abbotsford area and like Thank you for watching.

50:24Og BrickThank you for watching.

50:48Og BrickRight.

50:48BubblemanWell, I thank Hillary because Hillary pulled me out of that like profit, profit, profit, profit, you know, thing that I was really kind of, you know, mentored into through Ron because he just had it down pat. But Hillary was the first one to be like, hey, we could do something really good. And that is I hadn't seen that before. And I know people talk about it before, but I didn't see it.

51:15BubblemanI didn't see. And also, I gotta give it up to Mark Emery because he was another person I saw, you know, say what you want about the guy today, but he gave away so much fucking money. It was like, no matter how much you hated the guy, it didn't matter because you didn't give away a fucking fraction of what that fucking guy gave away. It was, I would say millions of dollars.

51:39BubblemanIt was millions of dollars that he just gave away. You know, often for lawyers.

51:45Og BrickI got to push back on Mark. You can. You can push back all you want, but he gave that money away. He did some, but he also used to claim that he gave money that he didn't give away. I mean, I remember being involved with the Federal Marijuana Party. I was one of the founding members of that. And Mark was late to that scene and he really wanted to be involved with that.

52:05Og BrickAnd we were running like a federal election campaign. And back then, the only people that would step up to go and, you know, put their name out there as being part of this party were like people that were really sick and really hurting. Right. And I remember Mark saying to them, I'm gonna give you all a thousand bucks so you can go and pay posters and you know get posters and pamphlets and all these things and all these people that had no money I mean these people were like living on the the verge of poverty went out and spent money and Mark was in the newspapers telling about everybody how he was paying them and he never did right so it's like he really is the two-sided figure.

52:46Og BrickI retweeted a post of him this week just talking about black people and all the shit that they get away with. I mean, that dude's got some really fucking dark side.

52:55BubblemanDude, I 1,000% agree, but I was there. I watched him give tens of thousands of dollars away. I'm not saying he didn't. Again, I'm not saying he didn't. That's all I'm talking about. You can talk about all the shit you hate about the guy a million times from Tuesday, but I can't take away from the fact that while everyone else was spending their weed money... Mark was giving his away.

53:15BubblemanSome of it. A lot of it.

53:17Etienne FontanThat's why he ended up with... That's why they came after him.

53:20BubblemanI'm not trying to minimize... They came after him and put him as a top 10 most wanted people for one reason and one reason only, because he was giving that fucking money away. It was because he showed up with the... it was because he showed up with that drug sorry well that was one reason for sure but he was given so much money to to cannabis you know and they hated that no one before that people were selling seeds for many years it wasn't because he was selling seeds it was because he wasn't keeping the money he had no mansion he had no fancy anything he he and michelle i remember when he bought michelle the thunderbird When it was a new like 19, whatever, 2001 Thunderbird, and he bought himself one.

54:06BubblemanAnd I was like, holy shit, in all the years I've known this guy, I've never seen him buy it. It was so out of sort of character. And he took it, they both took them back within like a couple of months. Those cars went back. And I was like, oh, okay, that's more like it. So that's the only thing. I wouldn't even watch his ex account. And I certainly wouldn't repost anything from him.

54:30BubblemanBut I can't take that away.

54:32Og BrickI will. No. I know. But again, I got it. And I'm not minimizing or trying to say that he didn't do any of those things.

54:38SpeakerHe definitely did. He did. But there was also a lot of really dark shit. I mean, young girls and boys, like...

54:46Og BrickYou know, in hotel rooms and giving them aphrodisiacs and all sorts of fucking nasty shit. I mean, Mark is a controversial character for a reason.

54:59Og BrickHe was intertwined with our movement for a short period of time, but I gotta tell you, I'm glad that he's not. I really am because it's like there's this real darkness.

55:09BubblemanWell, there's better people to take that.

55:12Og BrickWell, it's crazy about the better people. It's that he, like, dude, he was, he had some dark, deeply dark tendencies that were exploitative and I just can't get behind.

55:24BubblemanWell, that's what I mean by better people. People that don't have those tendencies. People that can be a better torch carrier. You know what? Back then, I always say it. We weren't the best of the best. We were the people willing to fucking... We were like, we were like scrags from the outskirts, dude. We were all fucking like punk rockers and just like the people society had pushed to the outer limits.

55:50BubblemanAnd so, of course, someone like Mark was going to come to the forefront and, you know, grab... Grab that little group of people. And I'll be honest, like, fuck man. Like when I think of those people, when I think of Shell and Jer and Hillary and some of the people that worked for him over the years, Tia for Cannabis Culture, really good fucking people. Like, I don't know how he pulled those fucking amazing people out and had them work for him for so many years.

56:26BubblemanLike it was wild. And I'll tell you when he went to prison, when Mark went to prison, the entire Vancouver community felt it immediately because those funds just dried up and disappeared. And those funds were giving David Malmo the ability to do his work and giving like all these different people, it was so much fucking money and it just disappeared. And the cannabis scene in Vancouver just went, Like so fast, so quickly, we no longer had a place for people to come and join.

57:04BubblemanLike before that, like the Hemp BC and the Blunt Brothers and the Amster, dude, such an amazing place to go and meet. I loved it because I couldn't go to the U.S., so I would go and meet all these amazing Americans that were coming up. Of course, most of them were looking for weed, looking for seeds. It was just this crazy fucking hub that you just can't believe it existed, you know?

57:29BubblemanAnd then I saw...

57:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's kind of like Europe wants to brand everything Cali, kind of like America wanted to brand...

57:36Collin PalmerRight now you're saying they do, right? You're saying that right now?

57:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. Yeah. Bill, let's just say they still do it. No, dude, it's rampant. If you go to Amsterdam, it says Cali Weed. On the menu. Amsterdam, Barcelona, too, in half the clubs. That's what I'm saying. Like, why? Like, okay, cool, because California.

57:54Collin PalmerBecause they don't know any better. Like, I was asked this last year to make a brand for someone in Germany, and we were, like, going through the names, and they're like, listen, can you just make it like Cali? Start with Cali. And I'm like... No, you can't do that at all. You're not even from California. And it was really interesting because I started realizing that depth perception is real in these other markets.

58:19Collin PalmerBut You know, I feel like they have an opportunity to make something fresh, new, exciting. They should take an opportunity as their own self to, you know, their own nationality or whatever, you know, be stoked about Germany. Maybe German weed is the best. I don't know.

58:37Og BrickIt'll get there, but it takes time. It's like these people that are doing these brands, they want to ride the easy train.

58:42Collin PalmerIt's crazy. Substance is, you know, you got to put novelty into the, you know, or put substance into novelty. And it's really hard because you just want to put novelty into it, right? All the time.

58:53Og BrickPeople want to make a novel, guys. They want the easy thing. They want to ride the easy train. You know, it would be a good one to be like light depth, like depth perception.

59:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI like the idea of organic or not organic.

59:07Collin PalmerYes.

59:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineProvocative, but you know. Totally.

59:11Collin PalmerWell, Marcus said it well, I think, just a minute ago. I feel like before we move on, I think on the idea of perception, because I hear from Ryan is he has a very different perception of what that was and your feelings towards it are very different than Marcus. And they're not wrong. They're your feelings, right? But I think what I'm noticing just in the conversation is For Marcus, it feels like it was like a, like how Overgrow was for me as a young guy, a young child, like a kid.

59:42Collin PalmerI was just a kid. It felt like a sense of community, a place where I could belong, where I could go. And it was. Express ideas that I didn't know how to talk about with other people.

59:50Og BrickYeah.

59:51Collin PalmerYou know? Yeah. And it was. And that guy shit the bed too, Colin.

59:55Og BrickI'm not talking down that scene.

59:57Collin PalmerIt's just, I was totally. He did. We could talk about that, but we, you know, another time, but yeah, he did shit the bed. You're right. I was living on the East Coast at the time.

1:00:06Og BrickI was living on the East Coast at the time, so I wasn't part of that scene the same way. And my connection to that part of the scene was the folks that started the Amsterdam, because they were running the seed distribution in Canada. That was actually the lady whose child passed away from fentanyl last year. It was Karen. She was one of the founders of the Amsterdam Seed Company, or the Amsterdam Cafe.

1:00:26Og BrickSo they were a crucial part of the block, but it was just a different avenue. Listen, all these movements...

1:00:36Og BrickIt's like on that, I said on that, the hash post, the water hash post. These things in this culture, David, again, going back to David, he used to say it, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, right? It's the evolution, whether it's genetics or water hash technology or whatever, there's tons of people that played a role and everybody had these small incremental roles and all together we've done something that's incredible.

1:01:02Og BrickAnd, you know, people get upset because they were left off the list. I didn't mention Kenny, Tricome Technologies Kenny in the thing, and he got kind of upset at me this week. I opened my IG box to a pretty big rant from him, quite pissed off about the fact that I left his name off. And you know what? I didn't even realize that he was involved in the Waterhash story.

1:01:23BubblemanWell, no, because his water hash story, and I'll be honest, like it just never added up. He told me that story years ago. He was convinced that Mila made the bags based on him showing her. And that just isn't the true history. Mila didn't make the bags. Eldon came up with the bags. Mark Rose made the bags. He named the bags isolator. And it was all based on looking at Reinhardt Delp's ice cold extractor.

1:01:49BubblemanI

1:01:49Og BrickI get that. I get that. But he, I mean, he was, he, he started from a, there's, there's this thing that happens in evolution. People can have independent. Absolutely. Thoughts. 100%. They all end up in the same. Absolutely. I mean, Mohan Ram, he was the first guy that did the STS, the silver thiosulfate thing that led to the, you know, the, the feminized seeds revolution. But, But nobody paid attention to any of that stuff.

1:02:13Og BrickHe published it and it was gone into the scientific literature. But he published it. There's proof that it exists dated and month. Right, but Heib, who used to post his PNW friend on Overgrow or whatever, he independently discovered nitrate and silver thiosulfate. Right. Like he came to it through a different path because that's how that is. That's the technology that they use in cucumbers. Totally. Right.

1:02:39BubblemanAnd it doesn't matter because the other path is dated. That's, that's all I'm saying about, listen, five years in a water hash, like, like lawsuit for, for a patent. So I, I have a bit of a more like passion about finding out the truth. And, and I told myself, no matter what the truth is, because I ended up paying Reinhardt six figures. When I found out the truth, when I found out from Eldon and Mark and Reinhardt that that's how that played out, because Milo wasn't going to tell me that, right?

1:03:12BubblemanBut Mark and Eldon told me that. And it was like, when they did, I was like, well, this guy is in the rightful place.

1:03:19Og BrickIf you didn't, you also say that if someone had a copy of the Sadhu Sam secrets that he wouldn't have won the case.

1:03:28BubblemanNo, because his Sadhu Sam never used ice. So do Sam just use cold water. He never used ice. So even if they had, and that was unique because they weren't making it publicly available. It was privately available through a public post, which created this whole insanity in the lawsuit aspect. Trust me, my lawyers were like hardcore pharmaceutical patent lawyers that all of their other Thank you for watching.

1:04:16BubblemanYou know, I wanted it to be from Dave and Rob, and I wanted it to work out that way. And you can't imagine, this is the other problem that I have with people who say they were making water hash with zero proof, zero photographic evidence, zero magazine articles, zero anything.

1:04:31Etienne FontanI've heard it a hundred times.

1:04:34BubblemanI've heard it a hundred times.

1:04:36Og BrickAnd he published an article, though, with Mel Frank, didn't he? Yeah, but that was, dude.

1:04:40BubblemanWhat year?

1:04:40Og BrickI think he said it was like 98 or 97.

1:04:44BubblemanSo Reinhardt made his machine in 97. The isolator bags already existed in 98. And bubble bags were in March of 99. So it was like, it just wasn't early enough. First of all, Sadhu Sam was the first semi-public thing Prior to that, it was Neville telling him. Prior to that, it was the unknown American who you're saying now is Ed Rosenthal. So that's the history of it.

1:05:11BubblemanAnd that was pre-80. That would have been between 84 and 87.

1:05:17BubblemanBecause Sadhu Sam took that article out in 88.

1:05:21Collin PalmerI think it's important for the listeners to to really pay attention to this because it's it's really it's the most important thing in the history of our existence. We don't have great history. And I think it's really important that you laid that out on the on the show here because most people don't understand history. You know, real history, you know, it gets mixed up. It gets kind of like we've talked a lot about a lot a lot in the past about this in the show.

1:05:48Collin PalmerIt's people bend things to make the narrative favor them. Right. And I think in this moment, it's it's good to call it as it is because I just wanted it to be the truth, dude.

1:05:58BubblemanI don't care. Let's just be the truth. We don't like we don't have to rewrite our history. Everything that you've done, you don't have to embellish. Yeah, it's enough. Right. And this gives me the opportunity to also also shout out. Jason from Payload Bags, who was a part of that lawsuit with me and who also paid out Reinhardt and who also helped pay the lawyer with me.

1:06:22BubblemanAnd I should shout out Lucy as well. Lucy is the hilariousest story. You want to talk funny. She did exactly what I did. She came to Amsterdam. She sat at my booth at the Milkveg one night for about four hours. She wrote notes and things. And she went back to Montreal and she created a company called Triple Extractor. She became the XX Extractor lady, which was XXX for Amsterdam, where she learned.

1:06:46BubblemanAnd Lucy was a single mom. And when the lawsuit came forward and Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:07:22BubblemanBless her. She ended up making a private deal with Reinhart before we even came to that conclusion and bounced out of the lawsuit, which I will say I was super pissed at for a while. But I was her being a single mom and stuff. I supported it and was like, you know what, whatever it is, it's all part of our story. We all have to play our story how we play it.

1:07:44BubblemanAnd so, yeah, she was a part of our lawsuit for a while as well. And that's how it went. And yes, I knew that very well, Diana, that Sam didn't care about the money. He just wanted to share the technique. I'm sure that was, you know, like, I'm sure this water hash had its moments Where, you know, when I first saw it, it was a two bag system.

1:08:06BubblemanIt was 97. It wasn't impressive. The hash wasn't properly dried. No one really understood it. It wasn't until, and fuck, I'm sure you'll have something to say about this too, Brian, I apologize, but it wasn't until Breeders Steve gave me this shish keberry from the yellow line. Trim and I ran that shit in the two bag system and that was the first time I ever saw hash that was melty and that was the one that gave me the idea like I should go and become the salesperson for isolator and had my blowout with Mila and came home and my wife was like I can make those bags no problem and that's really the birth of bubble bags it wouldn't have happened had I not seen that hash from the shish keberry because it's very hard to make great hash With two bags, it's very hard.

1:08:51BubblemanAnd if you can make it great with two bags, it's very hard in 1998 or 99 to know how to dry said hash and make it a worthwhile experience. So everyone played their part. Even people that I'm not super fond of, I give them their credit. Everyone played their part. Eldon played his part. Neville played his part. Sam and Rob played their part. High Times played their part.

1:09:15BubblemanYou know, like high times embedded in this from putting that ad in. You know, you've got Eldon and Mark and Mila. You've got myself. You've gotten so many other people. Nickity ended up having bags like there was the free hash guys. And in Vancouver, this thing grew and blew up into a very big thing.

1:09:32Og BrickAnd it evolved into Rosin. That's what I was saying. It's like. These things happen incrementally and it's evolution, right? Yeah, there's like key figures, but you know, like, it's like I said in that post too, Marcus, it's like you took the stacks that were in the hashish book and the water hash bag concept and you melded them together. I mean, nobody had done that before, right? It was like, that was like a key step in the whole process and in us learning how, and that led into Rosin, right?

1:10:00Og BrickLike, I mean, it's, it's, these things are incremental and evolution.

1:10:04BubblemanIt's how I met Sam. When I use the, if it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble. I'd only ever heard Rob Clark say. That was the first time he passed me the bong and it was bubbling and dripping down the stem of the roar. He said, if it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble. That stuck with me so hard. And I was naming my company Bubble, Bubble Bags and Bubble Man and Bubble Hash.

1:10:25BubblemanI thought, I have to use this. Well, I get this aggressive email. Do you know who's saying that is? And I was like, oh my God, I see the email, Skunk Man, Skunk Man, Skunk Man. And I'm like, oh my God, this is him. And I was like, I know who you are. I give you full props. I learned a lot from your knowledge. If you want, I'll stop using it.

1:10:48BubblemanIf you want, I'll tell everyone it's yours. If you want, just tell me what you want. And so he wrote me back. And apparently that was the right way to respond to him because it sort of opened up a friendship. That I just, yeah, you know, I could have been a dick. I could have been like, who the fuck do you think you are? Who the fuck are you?

1:11:04BubblemanBlah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's happened to me before. And it's, you never know how your reply, how you respond to someone is going to, you know, potentially define the next 25 years of your life.

1:11:19Og BrickListen, the thing that it was with David was that he saw in you the passion for the hash. It's like when you introduced me to him that first time at the cup. And he and I had spoken online like a fair bit. But when I showed up at that cup and I had my own water hash made with your bags with some super dank ass flour that I produced.

1:11:43Og BrickAnd it was the top, top, top shelf. It was the six star. And you put it in David's bowl and his eyebrows hit the ceiling.

1:11:55BubblemanWell, keep in mind, let me give an amendment to this story. At the time, David did not smoke anyone's hash. I really truly mean that. He just would not bother smoking anyone's hash. As he got older and things changed, he started smoking people's hash. He started enjoying hash. But the timeline Ryan's talking about right now He did not, I probably had to convince him to smoke it.

1:12:21BubblemanLike he probably said no, no.

1:12:23Og BrickNo, you hit it. No, you hit it. Because I remember distinctly, it was the first time I ever met him. You, you, you hit, I put it in your ball and you hit it. And you said, that's the full melt clear dome right there. And you turned to David and he was like, huh? You put it in his ball. And he was, you know, he was like, who's this young punk?

1:12:42Og BrickLike he didn't want anything to do with me. But the hash went in the bowl and it made the big ass clear dome and his eyebrows hit the ceiling. And that's, I called it the bubble tell. It was like, you know, it was like the hash is so good that it's like nothing else matters because what it meant was that you understood growing genetics and hash processing enough to make the top grade product.

1:13:10Og BrickAnd if you could do that, you were in David's club.

1:13:14BubblemanWell, dude, can you imagine from Dave's perspective, he is smoking that hash for 20 years before he even knows we exist, right? Right. He's just been enjoying this shit. Full melt, dry sift, the nicest like seeds collected by him, grown and bred by him, the whole nine yards, the epicness to see a bunch of young guys to see the bags start, you know, getting popular, the multiple screens to just because, you know, he saw it.

1:13:40BubblemanHe would have seen it before we saw it. It must have been actually pretty exciting for him. Well, yeah.

1:13:46Og BrickAnd I mean, the way the reason we started interacting online is because I was talking about using molecular markers to identify males. Right. And that was like a new level of science that David just didn't know about. Like he was molecular genetics didn't exist in his world. Right. It was all that was all new, cutting edge shit. And I was learning about it in university. I came across that technique because I was going through the stacks at the local university looking for every...

1:14:12Og BrickI mean, this is like pre-Google, right?

1:14:15BubblemanDude, I remember because I met you like in 99 or 2000.

1:14:20Og BrickWell, it was 99 because you had the Shire edition of the bag. And you were into it.

1:14:25BubblemanYou were already talking about this stuff. And I remember you talked to other people about it and they would kind of like act like they knew what you were talking about. And I was like... Thank you for watching.

1:14:57Og BrickRight? Like I never, I didn't come into cannabis. Yeah, I was making money selling dope. But when I started growing cannabis, it was because I knew that there was amazing weed out there that I couldn't get through my sources. Right? And so I started growing. I started growing. I remember going to the Hydra store where I bought my first lights and tables. And I'd made enough of a relationship with the guy behind the counter that I was like, Hey man, you know where I can get clones?

1:15:21Og BrickAnd he said to me, he's like, no man, that's part of the game. You got to cut your teeth. You got to go and grow seeds and find some good stuff. Because he couldn't like sell fucking clones to some kid. And within a year, they were trying to buy my clones, right? Because I went deep and hard into screening plants. And, and, and that was my journey.

1:15:42Og BrickIt was like trying to find the best, the stinkiest. Like I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't moving tonnage around or like selling hundred packs or any of that stuff. I was growing a few lights, like six lights that, which expanded, but you know, I started small and it was only about finding the best. And I found enough plants that were good and unique that all these other bigger growers started, they were buying my dope.

1:16:07Og BrickLike I was selling my dope as personal to all the other growers, right? And they were smoking my dope and selling theirs. So I came at it from that like pure quality thing and having been in university at the time and geeking out in the library and looking and trying to read every scientific paper that I could, I stumbled across that molecular genetics paper and And I was studying molecular genetics and plant genetics at the time.

1:16:34Og BrickAnd I picked up a few key things that were like way ahead of what anybody else was doing in the cannabis industry. And having that set of knowledge and the finest six star hash when I ended up talking to David, that's what got me in the door.

1:16:55Og BrickAnd I think David realized that it's like I had a set of knowledge Thank you for watching.

1:17:23Og BrickAnd David, it wasn't about ego, it was about, I just want to learn as much as I can about cannabis. It's like I said before, it's like I said at his funeral, it's like every day he got up and wanted to get high, learn about cannabis and like cause some shit, right? And because I could teach him some stuff about cannabis that he didn't know, that was like, that was the key to get into the door, right?

1:17:43Og BrickAnd kind of the basis of our friendship. And that's what our friendship was for the next 25 years. Right. Was like us just geeking out on papers. I'd find a scientific paper. I'd send it to him. He'd find one. He'd send it to me. We'd talk about it. We'd like, you know, pontificate on what this meant for the future. And, you know, through that process, we developed a really tight, close relationship.

1:18:08Og BrickAnd he's here, right? Like he's here with me right now. Like he's here with us every day. I got him.

1:18:14Collin PalmerYeah. Well, I think, Ryan, you know, what you, to me, you're exerting is that you were lighting these fires, little flames that you could grow bigger together and have conversations over and take the newer Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:18:56Og BrickThat came from David. I remember David told me that like when he was doing the CBD work with GW, they had crossed a haze to a CBD type plant. And in the F2s of that, HN DeMeyer, David's plant breeder, had found a haze plant that looked and smelled like haze, but it had no THC. And David was just blown away by this because he was down this trip path Where he was like, it's the terpenes, it's the terpenes that color the high, right?

1:19:32Og BrickAnd the fact that he had this haze plant that was high in CBD and had no THC and that you could smoke it and not get blotto, he was like, this, it kind of fucks up my theory, right? So he was, he was trying to tease apart like what happened, right? And that was when he was doing the You know, we've talked about it a hundred times, but where he was dabbing 50 milligrams of THC, cannabis THC standard with the different terpenes and they were doing double blinded hits on a vaporizer.

1:20:02Og BrickAnd through that work, he realized that it was the THC was kind of like the gas pedal and the terpenes were the steering wheel, right? The direction. And yeah, man, fuck, I miss that guy.

1:20:17Collin PalmerYeah.

1:20:18Og BrickIt's coming up on a year. It's coming up on a year. It's going to be a year. It's 11 months today.

1:20:24BubblemanCrazy. You know. Well, like Dr. Seuss says, don't be sad that he's gone. Be happy that he was here.

1:20:31Og BrickHe changed our world, man. Like he really did. 100%. Yeah.

1:20:37Bubbleman100%. He's still changing it.

1:20:39Collin PalmerYeah. Well, we just have to keep pushing the narrative, you know, and learn whatever we can from, you know, I think Rob is a big key too, you know, as this thing moves forward. You know, I know Rob didn't do as much of the Genomic work, but he was very much the academic in the mix that was trying to take the information and bring it to more people.

1:21:03Collin PalmerYou know, I think that was, you know, the work that he continues to do with his books is really important. But I feel like there's maybe perhaps even more to do.

1:21:12Og BrickHe was the other side of the same coin.

1:21:14Collin PalmerYeah.

1:21:15Og BrickRight. And that's why people think you're like, oh, Rob and David from Horta Farm. It's like Horta Farm was David's, but Rob worked there. Right. And it's like whenever people met them through the ICRS or whatever, it was like, it was always Rob and David. They were like the two peas in the pod. How are you doing, Kelly?

1:21:34SpeakerI'm great. Hey. Hey there, you guys. Happy holidays.

1:21:39BubblemanHappy holidays. I saw your Christmas photos. It looked warm and lovely and I feel like I could smell it too. The food looked great.

1:21:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, it was definitely an epic year with a lot of family and good food.

1:21:53SpeakerAnd you know, what I'm contemplating on and just thinking about as you all are talking about this, it's like, it's unfortunate in a way that Somehow humans have this competitive nature. There's just no getting around it. And you could base it back to survival or you can base it to needing to be on top. But I really don't believe in original thought. I don't believe as a species that any individual has original thought.

1:22:28SpeakerSo if we were able to sort of compile all these conversations and everybody having something to do with a really important pinpointed event or a particular strain or a particular time period,

1:22:47SpeakerIt's just, of course it's based off of the people who had done it before. Of course it's based off of, you know, even the knowledge of our DNA mixed with this plant. I mean, who even knows that when we smoke it, what kind of knowledge are we even getting from the plant itself or even from, The fact that we have an endocannabinoid system that already has a deep communication with this plant.

1:23:16SpeakerAnd I loved what you said earlier, Ryan, you were saying that, you know, you're in it for the plant. And it really feels like these different timelines that we have with the plant You just wonder how much of it is directly coming even from our endocannabinoid system and the breeding of the plants that we have. It's sort of a deeper conversation because it isn't with words, but we're creating these varietals and we're creating all of these new ways to smoke it or these new ways to extract it.

1:23:54SpeakerIt seems like that also is the education. Just doing that then rises up boats for us to be able to have these conversations. And it makes me feel like then everybody can be on the same boat sort of at the same time creating. And sometimes it just feels a little bit unfortunate that You know, one person has to have had it or one person, because it absolutely is a con, it's a compilation and a collective.

1:24:28SpeakerIt's an opus. It's an, it's an, it's a never ending opus of, of all of these years. And we're just a bleep, a bleep in this plant story, but because we're ingesting it, it's having a story through us. And I love to think about it like that. And that's just my thoughts on what everybody was talking about.

1:24:51BubblemanI wonder if cannabis thinks that about us.

1:24:54SpeakerYeah. Yeah, I bet it does. And it's like, whoa, here's this glare.

1:25:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's a sentient being for a reason. And it must... Thank you for joining us.

1:25:26Og BrickGanja's the giant.

1:25:27SpeakerAnd Ganja's the giant.

1:25:29Og BrickWell, and we all are the giants, too. I mean, collectively, we're the giant. I think humanity is collectively the giant. And, you know, again, I'd push back on you on that and look at it a different way. The plant that we encountered as humans is not the plant that exists today.

1:25:45SpeakerOf course not.

1:25:46Og BrickRight? This paper came out. Neither are the humans.

1:25:50SpeakerThey've changed too.

1:25:52Og BrickExactly. This paper just came out and it was looking at the evolutionary changes in the cannabinoid synthase genes. And when THC evolved out of like, you know, CBD acid and CBC acid synthase. And they went back and they recreated the original synthases and, you know, they've been doing all this work in that, this bioinformatics work. The plant is still teaching us things. But I think that it's an example of co-evolution, right?

1:26:25Og BrickBut yeah, like when people talk about they got all hippy dippy and they're like, oh, this is not the way the plant was in nature. It's like, guys, the plant that existed that we found, that's not the plant that exists today. Right. It's just like corn is not the original plant that the indigenous populations in Central America came across, right?

1:26:45SpeakerAnd that's coexisting together. So when you said you're pushing back, no, that was like totally adding to exactly what I was saying. Let's say... Saying that I think that this co-evolution and the coexisting with the plant is like... And education together, like we're becoming intelligent together. It's rising up as we rise up. And Josh, you just said it, you know, we're not the same people. And Ryan, you just said it, we're not, the plant isn't the same.

1:27:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe plant is like a play and it can be, you can dance to it however you want and you can express yourself with that play however you like and it can be magical in a lot of different ways. It can serve audiences in every different version, you know?

1:27:31Og BrickWell, and bringing it back to like, you know, what we were talking about right at the beginning of the show about like addictions, it's like cannabis does heal us from these other drugs like alcohol. It's like I was saying, drug use is part of the human experience. Interacting with these plants and these mushrooms and these substances is part of the human experience. And there's a lot of danger in some of these molecules.

1:28:00Og BrickEspecially the shit that we've changed. Like fentanyl, that's not a natural molecule. It's like a chemistry version of what exists in opium, in morphine and codeine. And it's a bastardization of humanity and technology that's created something incredibly dangerous, just like cocaine, right? I mean, cocaine hydrochloride or cocaine freebase, which is in crack, that's like it's not the same fucking thing that's in the plant, in the coca plant.

1:28:29Og BrickAnd sure, we do like modify these plants, but I think my point is in society is that like, I think having options like cannabis or psychedelic mushrooms, they're part of the harm reductionist's safer choice. They give people an avenue to experiment with altered consciousness without having to touch these more toxic substances, even alcohol that's been with us for thousands of years.

1:29:04Og BrickIt's like the way that we've refined it and used it in society, it's fucking toxic shit. I mean, alcohol is a type one carcinogen, right? It's like, it's poison. It's absolute poison. And cannabis gives us an outlet through which people can experiment with altered consciousness and, you know, not risk dying and not risk poisoning yourself. So I think that co-evolution of what we've created and continue to create is, Thank you for watching.

1:29:59Og BrickAnd it's, you know, I just, I can't help but wonder what role those plants could play for us in the global cannabis community.

1:30:07Collin PalmerI think you play a major role. It's the future.

1:30:11BubblemanIt is. Novel, volatile organic compounds. It's like we got all the THC we need.

1:30:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNone of that comes, and I'm not trying to say like ever, but like feminization and clones like isn't the hunt. Right? It's fine to do it. Totally. I get why you do it. It makes all the sense in the world. I totally understand the teaching. But if we're looking for something different and unique, then I think that that comes from a mix of plants, you know, basically.

1:30:48Og BrickNot always. Genetically, not always. Like, there's something that the selfing provides that Thank you for watching.

1:31:11Og BrickBut sometimes you can get a trait in a plant that only comes out when you have two copies of the same chromosome. So even when you're crossing sibling to sibling, I mean, you got to go back and think about the parentals. The parental generation, mom has chromosomes one and two, or sorry, versions one of two of each of the 10 chromosomes, but dad might have versions three and four.

1:31:37Og BrickSo when you're crossing sibling to sibling, you're not necessarily reshuffling one at chromosome one and two, you're shuffling one, two, three, and four, right? And so if you need two copies of chromosome two, the only way to get that is through a self, right? Or the most efficient way to get that is through a self. It's kind of like- Fair enough. You're kind of like shuffling blind when you start using even just filial breeding, which is brother to sister, right?

1:32:06Og BrickIt's harder to get to the goal.

1:32:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWould you agree there's less genetic diversity in selfing?

1:32:15Og Brick100%. By definition, there is. And that is both good and bad. There's always an opportunity cost that comes with every choice that we make as a breeder. But the selfing tool is an absolutely critical, useful tool in the breeder's toolbox.

1:32:35Collin PalmerYeah, you're right, Ryan. The question I have for everyone, I agree with both points of view here, because I often think, and this is using Sam's words, and I used to take this literally, when having a big enough population to see the diversity within that population, I start to wonder, and I've done this at scale, where I popped 30,000 seeds, right? And I got to actually see, and I did it both standard and feminized.

1:33:08Collin PalmerSo Ryan, I got to see actually what little genetic diversity is in a fem line at scale, 30,000 seeds, and then on both sides. But from a extraction point of view, being able to capture all of the diversity of phenotypical and chemotypical expression And I wonder sometimes because when I looked at the COAs, when I tested everything, I got to see like really high THCV, right, for instance, out of one line.

1:33:42Collin PalmerI didn't really know why it was in 10%. Never saw that before, right? But I don't believe if I would do that same, that single mono cropping or that same, like, let's just keep it all the same mentality, if I would experience these types of things. And I wonder sometimes if there, is there a merit to doing things like that where it makes, you know, intentionally to extract.

1:34:09Collin PalmerThere's merit. There's value to that, right? But at scale, it definitely, from a business point of view, right? It quite, you know, there's a lot of questions there, right?

1:34:17Og BrickThere's value and merit to both ways, right? And I'm not recommending, it's like I wrote this yesterday. I'm not recommending one way or the other. It's about understanding about what, these are all different tool in the breeder's toolbox. And knowing what tool does what is the key, right? Um, like for example, when David, you know, Hortifarm and then GW kind of picked up the propyl work where they were looking at the THCV plants.

1:34:45Og BrickYeah. You need a diverse population of call it thousands of plants to find the one plant that has five, 10% THCV, not 1%. But the route to getting the 15% THCV plant is to take that 10% plant and self it. Right. And that's exactly what ATN DeMeyer did is like, It's when you have one individual or it's the same thing, Kelly and Josh, with the Valencian dominant plant.

1:35:13Og BrickIf you had taken that Valencian dominant plant and crossed it to anything else, you would have lost the Valencian dominance. But if you cross the Valencian dominant plant to itself. Thank you. Thank you.

1:35:49Og BrickRight? And so, again, I'm not saying feminization, feminize everything, it's the only way to go. It's not. It's just, it's a tool in the breeder's toolbox that allows us to explore an avenue of the cannabis genome and get through a door that we couldn't get through By doing population level breeding.

1:36:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd to further that, like, what would you say to the community, you know, five years from now and six years from now, as people do get more comfortable with feminization, is there a limit to how many times you can feminize something? Absolutely. Yeah. And again, David. Again, David showed this, right?

1:36:31Og BrickWhen they did a whole paper in 2003 on the inheritance of the chemical phenotype in cannabis, it was published in Genetics. Genetics is a big deal publication. Get a paper in Genetics. It's a big deal. And they did selfing. They kind of came up with the term selfing because it's like most plants, they produce both sexes on one plant, right? And so they naturally self, like you can naturally force a plant to cross to itself.

1:37:01Og BrickCannabis, you can't really do that unless you're working with an intersex plant, right? Like you have to use a chemical intervention to make the plant produce both sexes so that you can pull out a population from that one individual. And so they made S1s, right? The first generation self-cross. And then they did that. In something called single seed descent, where they then took two S1 plants and crossed them together, or one plant from the S1 population and made an S2, and then they made an S3, and by the time they got down to S4, the plants were functionally sterile, right?

1:37:32Og BrickLike they were so inbred that, because again, when you're selfing, you're only breeding within the set of genomes that exist in that one individual. And we talked about like the crack house plans, you know, maybe you understand the crack house analogy a little bit better, but like, yeah, like you're selecting for one gene and like the gene next door to the gene that you like is a crack house.

1:37:57Og BrickRight, so it's like you end up like, you're not only concentrating the good genes or the valuable genes or the unique genes that are within that plant, you're also inbreeding those crack house genes next door that like provide a lack of fitness or a lack of functionality within the genome. So it's like, again, selfing is incredibly valuable, but it can't be the only way to go because inevitably it leads to sterility and, you know, all these deformed plants and all other sorts of genetic Nonsense and garbage that's buried in every one of these genomes.

1:38:30Og BrickSo every choice, every method comes at an opportunity cost for another choice, right? And sometimes it's good, but sometimes it's bad and you have to know the limitations of what you're getting.

1:38:42BubblemanIt seems like that's the part in cannabis breathing that isn't talked about and swept under the rug. Like, oh, we're not going to talk about like... The repercussions of what we did, but we got this smell. This smell is what we got. That's a disconnect to me and I don't pretend to understand it. I'm by no means.

1:39:03Og BrickWell, that's why it's like, it's again, it's like someone was coming at me yesterday for using somebody else's genetics that I paid for, by the way, right?

1:39:15Og BrickWhen you select the one thing,

1:39:22Og BrickEven one person, it's like these traits that are buried in the cannabis, it like, look, there's, every plant has two genomes in it, right? But if you think about like all the cannabis seeds in all the world, Thank you for watching.

1:39:55Og BrickAnd they end up going down a path because

1:40:24Og Bricktaken with the plant that shuts down all the other Roads that might come from that same point, right? Like, we've all heard the expression, like, all roads lead to Rome. It's because there was thousands of roads coming out of Rome going all over the fucking Roman Empire, right? And it's like, if you narrow it down to one road and you say, no, only my road, everybody has to travel down my road, it's like you're shutting down the roots of exploratory possibilities that can come when you're, like, traveling out of Rome and north, south, east, or west.

1:40:59Og BrickRight.

1:41:00SpeakerSo like what we were saying earlier is that the unbelievable possibilities and, you know, if there's anything that proves that there is no original thought, it definitely is cannabis. Even the idea that somebody would say, hey, yo, you're using someone else's genetics. Well, that's awesome. That person has not been alive long enough to be using their own genetics.

1:41:24Og BrickBut there is original thought like,

1:41:27SpeakerHow was their original thought?

1:41:28Og BrickWell, I'm just going to, like, for example, like, the stacked sieve system for sieving hash existed before Marcus. Water hash existed before Marcus. But Marcus was the one that put the two of them together. That's the original thought.

1:41:45SpeakerOh, well, then I'm just, if we want to call that original thought, that really isn't original thought. That's like an original thing that comes off of... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:42:20SpeakerEspecially with genetics.

1:42:21Og BrickAnd you see chimps doing it too, right? You see a chimp taking a stick and putting it down an ant hole and pulling out some ants like a stick. It's like, it's the, hey, I got the stick.

1:42:34SpeakerHey, I got the ant hole. Or, hey, I got the peanut butter. Hey, I got the chocolate. What happens when they come together?

1:42:40Og BrickRight. It's like, that's the original thought. And that's where innovation happens.

1:42:44SpeakerNobody's coming up with a whole- I guess it's just a definition issue. I just don't, I don't believe that being original thought. To me, original thought is like something that comes from absolutely nowhere. You know what I mean? Like something totally original, something that has like originality that like, you know, people believe that they have that, especially like- Well, I believe that we're all authentic.

1:43:06BubblemanWe're all unique and authentic. And although we may connect after and before here, what we are here seems to be this tiny little slice of the hologram that we get to be authentic. To be our authentic selves. And it seems to me when we feed into our authenticity, we're at our happiest. And when we deny our authenticity, we become very sad. And I think that's where addiction and all these other things can come in.

1:43:36BubblemanIt's like you got to be your authentic self, whatever that is, find it, figure it out, and then be more. And then that's a trick, right? Finding out, figuring it out.

1:43:46Etienne FontanRight. We've all been told, you know, follow your path. Right. But, you know, when did your path open up for you? Right. My path didn't open up for me until I took a whole bunch of accidental roads to Rome and found myself on the cannabis Rome trail. Right. You know, I didn't start off and go. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:44:30Etienne FontanWhat is your path and how do you know it's your path right because we've watched people get on a path and fall the fuck off right but we've also watched people you know like Dennis and Perrone and Jack who made it a lifestyle and projected it out into the world and other people adopted it followed it brought it into their lives and realized wow this is part of my lifestyle right because cannabis does it fits into your life it's not Thank you so much for joining us.

1:45:23Etienne FontanYour possibilities, right? Like Dragonfly Arithmetics and you guys, you know, you didn't start off, you know, where you are. It was a journey to arrive there, right? To find your path. Your path opened up other pathways along the way that allowed you that journey, right? But some people don't even have that path available to them. So my question is, how did you find your path to know that this was your path, right?

1:45:50Etienne FontanWe know it now, but when you're starting off, did you really?

1:45:54SpeakerYou know, I love the idea of what we were just talking about, you know, that the plant basically is keeping up with the times. Ryan, you had mentioned that You know, this plant really has the capability to cure people of other addictions. Well, I think that it actually has the capability to cure us of what is happening right now in our society. Like right now, the times that we're dealing with, The plant shows up to help aid us in those times.

1:46:25SpeakerSo maybe the times are becoming more steep. Maybe they're becoming more difficult. Maybe there's more drugs that we can align ourselves with that are really terrible. So the plant continues to show up and we do these 30,000 topping of seeds to be able to sift through something that the plant is giving us Thank you so much for joining us.

1:47:12SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:47:36SpeakerIt continues to push us forward to actually aid us in the current situation that we're in to help us find our path.

1:47:45Collin PalmerAnd I just, I think you're right, Kelly. And I think, and I love how you're putting it because it's like, it's a part of us. It's not, and we're a part of it. And, and it's much bigger than all of us. Right. And we are guided by, you know, It in a lot of respect and the choices we make are a call and response to it. I know, you know, everything that Ryan was speaking about earlier about how he just grew the plants because he loved it.

1:48:14Collin PalmerI mean, that was me as a young kid. I just grew, I over, I've been over growing plants since I was a kid, like way too many plants. Like, like, what are you doing, Colin? You know, like, and I'm like, I don't know, this one, see this one, smell the stem rub that one. I wanted to learn, you know, from it, you know, and I think that's, it's really important for us to recognize that the journey is what's important, right?

1:48:42Collin PalmerThe destination is this figurative, imaginative thing. Well, the funny thing is, is that I love that. I actually, I have to go, guys. I love you all so much. And as the last episode, Marcus, thank you for, you know, just holding space for everybody. And I look forward to continuing all of this in the new year whenever we start again.

1:49:05BubblemanSeven days, baby. I love you all. Happy New Year, everybody. And Ryan.

1:49:11Collin PalmerFamily a squeeze. Love you, man. Love you. Love you, Etienne, Marcus. Love you all so much. We're getting together in 2020. Everyone out there in the world. Overgrow the effing world. That's what's up. Keep doing it.

1:49:23Etienne FontanBe safe, Colin. Yeah, I want to smoke with you in 2026, motherfucker. Damn, please.

1:49:27Collin PalmerYes. Peace, guys. Cheers, Colin. I'm going to smoke right now.

1:49:32Etienne FontanMarcus. I ain't waiting for shit.

1:49:35Og BrickI don't want to wait that long. That's like weeks away. I like what Colin was saying. He's like, I grew too many plants. It's like, that was, he was, you know, too many back then was like 99 plus one, right? I mean, you grow more than 99 plants in the States back then. You're doing federal time. Over 30,000 plants was executable too?

1:49:58Og BrickYeah, well, that's what they wanted Mark Emery on that, speaking on that. But I mean, you know, it's like we make these decisions despite the consequences to ourself. And it's like, fuck it, we're going to keep going anyway. For what? It's not for the THC. It's for the exploration and the journey. Right? I mean... THCV or CBD, I mean, how many plants we've grown out looking for combinations of THCV or CBDV or CBD?

1:50:22Og BrickThese plants, these compounds don't even fucking get you high, right? It's like, it's just that we know- I would say even worse, they dilute the high. Yeah, but even better, they fucking make some child with epilepsy's life livable.

1:50:37BubblemanThat's why it should be available and why someone should find it and God bless them. I just don't want to puff it myself.

1:50:44Og BrickNo, well, I mean, like, again, go back to David. He used to say CBD is the devil, right? Because it's like, it would squash your high. So to him, that was the worst thing in the world. But, you know, it's, it's funny. Like when we talk, I hear people say the plant, there is no, the plant there, there are thousands of plants within cannabis that are all different.

1:51:08Og BrickAnd they're all, they're all of their own unique chemistry and they're all of their own use. And they're all beautiful and they're all part of cannabis, right? But it's not the plant, it's the species. It's like there is no one cannabis plant. That's why these fucking regulations are stupid. It's like, why are you going to regulate, okay, you can only grow four plants? Well, say you're growing plants that have no drug content in it.

1:51:29Og BrickWhy are they regulated underneath the same laws as the ones that do have the drug content in it? It fucking makes no sense at all.

1:51:37Etienne FontanAnd then who's going to test it, right? You know, to make sure that's going to be, that is what it is.

1:51:41Og BrickAnd that's why they don't want, that's why they make it illegal is because they don't want to have to test it, right? Right. Right? But the truth is, the truth is, when cannabis is tomatoes and they're valueless, nobody gives a fuck anymore. Right?

1:51:55Etienne FontanBut our journeys, it was, see, it was valuable. And see, it funded our paths on the journey because it was illegal and prohibition had hoisted its prices, right? And that's the reason we took the risk. Yeah, we took the risk because of the pot, but we also took the risk because of the money.

1:52:13Og BrickRight, but that's the next thing that's coming to you guys. I mean, it's like, We're already down this path because we're under legalization here. The government's addicted to the money now. They make so much money in Canada on taxes. They make so much money in taxes that the businesses can't even be profitable. Put it that way. The regime is so fucked up that businesses struggle. Good quality businesses struggle to stay profitable just because the government is taking such a piece of the pie.

1:52:46BubblemanThere are companies who are operating at a higher level and are crushing it right now.

1:52:52Og BrickThere are some.

1:52:53BubblemanIt takes an extremely high level of knowledge of business

1:53:01BubblemanTo get there, because I've now witnessed it. I know, so have I. No, but I mean, each time I go back, I witness it more and more and more, and it's completely blowing my mind, and it's actually impressed me beyond impressed me.

1:53:16Og BrickAnd how much did they put in to start in that whole venture?

1:53:21BubblemanA fraction of what it's worth, I'll tell you that much.

1:53:24Og BrickYeah, but it was like tens of millions, right? Multiple tens of millions. So it's hard. It's not, you know, I don't like, I don't begrudge that part of cannabis.

1:53:35BubblemanMany companies, it doesn't matter how much you put in. The more you put in, in fact, the better you have to be able to execute. And 90% of companies that invested millions, they failed because they just weren't able to execute.

1:53:50Og BrickYeah, and I get that too. All the pub goes and all the shit that went down. Listen, I don't begrudge that company. I think they're great. If they're killing it, good for them. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:54:27Og BrickA lot of those people are being oppressed, suppressed because of the way that the legalization has rolled out. And a lot of it has to do with these nonsense regulations and taxation. And it's not wrong. It's not wrong.

1:54:43BubblemanAlthough I do think that if they I think if they didn't have it, you'd still see a huge portion of these companies fail. Not as big of a portion, but a big portion.

1:54:53Etienne FontanAbsolutely. You also saw a lot of them not work for change. You saw a lot of them just work for profit. They didn't necessarily contribute to the change. They didn't invest in the further change. Right. This is where we tried. We attempted to lead by example. Right. We as Berkeley Patients Group were originally non-profits, so everything that came in by the December 31st at the end of the year had to go out the door.

1:55:17Etienne FontanThat's just how it was, so... Philanthropical, gave away multiple millions of dollars, started various organizations, Americans for Safe Access, National Cannabis Industries Association, I started Veterans Action Council, right? To try to put our money where our mouth is, not to just say something, but to physically put it there, right? We physically paid for ACEs offices and their employees and their salaries and things like that, because early on they couldn't afford to do that.

1:55:47Etienne FontanRight. And where would we be without that? Because they put laws in place. Right. We inadvertently built the the tree that we would inadvertently sit under that shade of never intentionally going in that direction. But our actions would spawn that. Right. Because we took that chance. We invested in ourselves, but we also invested in the community, in the community as a whole, because you, the community, were checked the fuck out.

1:56:14Etienne FontanYou weren't showing up and going and actively talking to your representatives. And one of the reasons we are where we are is because a lot of y'all check the fuck out when the laws change. And you just allow things to happen. Just like in California, we had a five-year protection for small farmers, but people decided to go and lobby against that. And there weren't enough people saying, hey, no, that's not how it is.

1:56:38Etienne FontanThese people need that chance, that five-year opportunity to get established. But they didn't. Right. They just allowed it to happen. So I think we're missing a major component of complacency here is that a lot of people checked out and the business people did what they could while doing their business. I mean, we contributed and tried to lead by example, but nobody really followed once it became the for profit model.

1:57:00Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

1:57:17Etienne FontanBut they still exist under that whole world prohibition. And it's different countries have found different ways where your people, so many people filed suit against your government that your government combined what it was like almost 400 court cases into the Supreme Court case that changed it constitutionally. Well, Nobody's doing that here in the United States. We had the Opportunity Veterans Action Council early on. We looked at it.

1:57:44Etienne FontanBut when we talked to constitutional lawyers about it, they said it's going to take 10 to 12 years and quite a few million dollars and at least six lawyers. But the lawyers said that it looks to in the United States that if you go through lobbying and do the things that are happening because of the laws that have changed, they felt that going through a constitutional challenge would be a waste of time and money.

1:58:09Etienne FontanAnd so that's why I feel that Canada had the pressure of a court case to really push things forward. Well, you had so many cases that have pushed together as a mass here in the United States. We can't even get... To that point, to a critical mass to where that change can happen. So that's just to point out the big picture to the people who are watching who may not understand the dynamics, but also that, you know, we checked out and waiting on things to change, you'll continue to wait.

1:58:40Etienne FontanYou have to get and push for that change the way that our mentors did, the way that Ron Hickey did, the way that Dennis Perrone did, the way that Jack Carrere did, the way that we Thank you for joining us.

1:59:08BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

1:59:26BubblemanWell, they went from being a compassion club to just, you know, some of them were just straight fronts. They were just people in Canada like, I'm opening a club like I want to sell weed. And it just it grows and grows and grows into something inevitably that you didn't want. It's like all we wanted to do is give patients more, more access. Well, inadvertently, because you want to give patients more access and you want to give it to them for a good price and get rid of that profit.

1:59:50BubblemanWell, all the people who had been profiting off those people Now they're out. That was the beginning, right? It didn't take MSOs to put smaller people out of business. We put smaller people out of business before we even got there. Now, and I'm happy to say, although I know of a couple of big MSOs that are doing well in Canada, there's a lot of small companies that are more than surviving.

2:00:13BubblemanNow, keep in mind, like Ryan says, the taxing and the limitation on marketing, those two things are fairly... Huge. You also have to understand that if you want to open a weed company, a growing flower company in BC, It's not the smartest thing to do because of the price of electricity. It is so expensive. You can pay one third the price of electricity and open it in Quebec.

2:00:43BubblemanAnd now all of a sudden you don't have to complain about the taxes because you started it in the right place. Now you can actually make a profit. And the companies that are in Quebec,

2:00:57BubblemanAnd of course, you know, the bigger your company is, the more electricity you pay. So the more you save in a province that has much, much cheaper electricity. So there's a lot of ways to strategize for growing cannabis. It would be great if they took away the insane tax. I do agree with that. But someone said it earlier. They get addicted to that money.

2:01:45BubblemanIt's like, well, don't worry, because if you don't pay your taxes, you are taking a risk and you will do years in prison. So they just shifted it on us from a criminal, you know, from breaking the cannabis law to the breaking the tax law.

2:02:00Etienne FontanBut we forced that shift, right?

2:02:02BubblemanYeah, we did.

2:02:03Etienne FontanBecause of our actions, right?

2:02:04BubblemanThat's it, 100%. Now we're sitting under the tree that's shading us. Right. That's why I refuse to stop. That's why I refuse to not be a part of it. I have to keep trying to steer the little piece that I am a part of in order to make it more accessible, less costly, but still profitable. We're running a business. If I can't pay all the people in the business, the lab people and the growers, and if everyone can't afford like a livable wage with what they're doing, then this is not economically viable and it becomes a Thank you for joining us.

2:02:45BubblemanWe'll see you next time.

2:03:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's also, it's also. It's getting less and less, but, and doctors are harder to find as well.

2:03:10BubblemanOur medical licensing was the biggest tree of shade that we built for our industry because that really cut everyone's profit margin because 99% that grew under a license. Flooded the black market with that weed. They were not using that herb for themselves. They were putting it, keeping that mortgage thing going, which I'm not opposed to.

2:03:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI like to redirect the wording on that. I don't know if they flooded the black market. I think they beautifully offered medicinal cannabis to those in need.

2:03:44BubblemanIt did become flooded, though, to a point where the price dropped so low that it was like, eww.

2:03:53Og BrickIt's like with the beasters. I mean, there's people doing it for the right reasons like you guys. And then there's people that are doing it for the profit. I mean. There were a lot of those profit people is all I'm saying. Absolutely.

2:04:03Bubbleman1,500 lights here, 2,000 lights there. I'm just like, what the fuck?

2:04:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut now you have full licensed companies that can get crop insurance and then backdoor some of the weed that didn't. That's been happening. But that's a large scale thing.

2:04:19BubblemanBut it's also, it's not even about crop insurance, to be honest. What it's also more about, because the crop insurance is a lot less likely. I know a friend that just had a half a million dollars with the cannabis stolen. The real factor is the writing it off. You still send it out the door to the black market, but you write it off. So this is just the growing tree that we've all been planting and cultivating that's at a point now where it's like things like this are happening.

2:04:47BubblemanAnd if they wanted to, like when cannabis became legal or decriminalized or whatever you want to call it in Canada, I thought the rules would still be super strict, but they aren't. We just had the PTSD of people who operated in the black market and were like, oh my God, like we're going to get... jail time it's like no you get a slap on the hand or a fine they'll find you like 40 or 50 grand and slap you on the hand it doesn't matter if you grow a room without a license or if you get caught back door and a bunch of weed out into the it's like whoa like the the rules are so lenient that of course people are doing it especially with the factor in that it's just It's only profitable if you're extremely good at business.

2:05:32BubblemanAnd I would just say that most people in the cannabis industry are not extremely good at business. It's hard. It's very difficult. I don't pretend to be one of them. It's super duper difficult to understand how to execute, how to make sure you don't hire too many people, how to do proper growth, how to take care of your crops, how to take care of your processing equipment.

2:05:51BubblemanThere's so much going on. And then the taxes and everything else that's just trying to crush you out of existence. It's not for the meek. I will say that.

2:06:03Etienne FontanNo, you better have thick skin. You better have some armor because, yeah, all of us have armor and all of our armor is dented from lots of fights and lots of slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But that gives a character, right? It's not perfect. But you got to have it. You can't be thin skin. I mean, how many people have you watched? I mean, just how many people say, oh, yeah, I'm going to show up and do something, right?

2:06:31Etienne FontanAnd they never show the fuck up, right? You know, that's what one in 100 actually do, right? You know, so, you know, it's... You know, it's what you can do, what you can tolerate, as well as what we can tolerate, right? I mean, just for you, there's moments where all of us have been like, why the fuck am I doing this? Why the hell am I here?

2:06:50Etienne FontanHow the hell did I get here? I'm on a journey? Where am I on the map, right?

2:06:57BubblemanYou know what you can tolerate? Do you know what that defines? That defines how people treat you.

2:07:10BubblemanWhich is also like a double-edged sword. When we're trying to tolerate as much as possible for this plant, it defines how people treat you, what you can tolerate, literally defines how people treat you. So tolerating too much,

2:07:26Etienne FontanWell, kindness, right? People assume your kindness is weakness, right? You see that all the time, Josh, Ryan, you know, all of us, right? They just assume, oh, you're some quiet little, you don't know, and then they press you and they don't realize what they just pressed. You know, we are resolved people, too. You know, we do have some fire under our armor and our shit, right? We've had to fight back, right?

2:07:50Etienne FontanYeah, you have to. We take it on the chin all the time, but we got scars here, too. You know, we're kind people. But I mean, I mean, Josh and Kelly, y'all come across so very loving and, you know, people try to take advantage of you all the time, right? I mean, just they think you're just going to be able to walk right over you because, you know, you talk the granola sweet language.

2:08:15Etienne FontanSo, you know, you're you're just going to take it and you're just going to like it. And that's not how it works, does it, Josh?

2:08:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's really not. It's really not. You really have to. Be authentic, I think, and really just, you know, be true to yourself. And then when that truth is being an activist or change, I mean, there's just nothing that's going to stand in your way. And me and Kelly are both lucky because, I mean, she is not here right at the moment, but she's up there. She's a strong woman, you know, and she's super capable of setting people straight or saying what it is.

2:08:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, yeah, we're and both of us have a different You know, way of taking care of our business and everything. We're super kind hippies, but we also kind of see ourselves as like front lines warriors, you know, that are just like super up for the fight. Don't need sleep, not going to eat, just keep going, you know, to a certain level, of course, but yeah. We do care a lot about the way that we feel and we care a lot about our lifestyle.

2:09:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe care a lot about the people that are affected by it and what it represents in humanity. We're taking care of our fractal is the way that we like to look at it.

2:09:34SpeakerIt was really cool because, you know, talking about how cannabis will show up for our needs and sort of, you know, not only just physical, but maybe emotional or spiritual, you know, we're really able to have these incredible conversations, probably, you know, in part because cannabis gave us that opening of being able to sit around and have these conversations. But it really is true that when

2:10:04SpeakerI partake in somebody's flower or somebody's concentrate that it was grown, you know, with a lot of integrity. I don't really want to say integrity. Let's just say that it was grown maybe a way a plant might want to be grown in the ground, sunshine, outside, good intentions. When you get that high, you know, you can feel it. And when we brought our stuff to Prague, the feedback that we got, more than anything, sure, the flavor was nice, the blah-di-di-blah-di-di.

2:10:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhich is important.

2:10:42SpeakerWhich is really important. That's great. That's awesome. And everybody has that. Everybody's got, you know, is up on par with six star and really beautiful hashes out there. I mean, like, wow, such beautiful aromas and smell. But people were definitely coming back and saying, hey, you know, I smoked your stuff and we had the wildest conversation. And it wasn't just one person. It was like a dozen people came back and said that they partook in it and had these great, amazing spiritual conversations that made everybody feel light.

2:11:19SpeakerEverybody went walking around. And it was something that for them, they had never experienced that high before. So I mean, sure, we can look at it chemically. We can see that maybe it's exactly identical, but there's some kind of resonance that's carried in cannabis that may be grown with intention, whether it's indoor, even with chemicals, or whether it's outdoor. What the fuck do I know? I don't know.

2:11:53SpeakerBut I feel like if there's some kind of intention put into that plant, then It's sentient enough or sentient to change our ability to think.

2:12:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTo communicate.

2:12:08SpeakerAnd to communicate.

2:12:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTo your spirit and make it spirit medicine in a sense. Like, I mean, it's spiritual in that sense. It sparks those parts in your body.

2:12:17SpeakerYeah, interesting feedback of that. And I think we can always remember like, ooh, what was the high that was the very best highs that we've ever had in our life? And it really, it's going to give you, That a well-roundedness of flavor, aroma, you know, good, smooth smoke, feeling where you were, who you were with. And that's going to create the memory and the ability for us all to sort of move forward.

2:12:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's pretty cool to produce a high-grade hash out of a mixed plant, mixed wash, pheno, and have, let's say, 20 different varieties, and each 20 variety would be its own mixed wash. I think mostly people come to the table with a clone wash or...

2:13:10BubblemanYou're coming back to the 1970s in Afghanistan when it was not a clone. It was a population.

2:13:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe whole population has a level of health that's fine.

2:13:23SpeakerIf you will a Beaujolais.

2:13:25Og BrickA Beaujolais, exactly.

2:13:27SpeakerIf you will a Beaujolais.

2:13:31BubblemanMy wife worked at a restaurant called Le Beaujolais in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Good. One of only maybe three jobs that she held. So yeah, the Beaujolais.

2:13:40SpeakerThat's what we've been calling our hash actually. And it sort of came about because we were looking for a name for it because we're working with one particular strain or varietal or I don't know how to say it.

2:13:56Og BrickThat was what I said to you guys. I said that to you guys this summer.

2:13:59SpeakerBrian was the one who came up with it and we were trying to figure out how that was going to And it really is nice that you're having some beautiful hash six star experience with mixed plants.

2:14:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMixed heads.

2:14:16SpeakerAnd for us, we'll take maybe one particular strain and we'll grow 30 plants of that particular strain. Well, all of those get washed together. And then we'll call it that strain.

2:14:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOr even multiple strains in one.

2:14:29SpeakerAnd I think that is quite a bit of a Beaujolais or Beaujolais.

2:14:33BubblemanI used to call it lucky day. If anyone that knew me in the early 2000s, every once in a while, I would take like maybe like six or seven or eight different melts and just mix them all and homogenize them into one batch. And I called it lucky day because I said, you're never going to get anything else like this. And it's your lucky day to get some of this for sure.

2:14:58Etienne FontanI just call it my mix. I've got, I still have my mix going from 2008 of my water hash.

2:15:05BubblemanHell yeah.

2:15:06Etienne FontanI keep landing to that. I've got a master and I've got the same thing with my, my hash and my BHO and rosin. I mix them all together and that's been going since 2012. So if you find me, that's a lucky day.

2:15:21Og BrickPeople call those, it's funny. People call those like strain specific wash or whatever, but it's like, That's actually what the term varietal means. Varietal is not a noun, it's an adjective.

2:15:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYes.

2:15:35Og BrickAnd so it's like if you have a wine, like Pinot Noir wine that comes from the Pinot Noir grape, the variety is Pinot Noir, but the wine that comes from it is varietal of grape. All of that stuff. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

2:16:18Og BrickYeah, well, a variety is like a variety is defined by a set of traits, right? And usually when you're growing populations from seeds, they share similar traits, but they're not all the same. You're broadening the chemistry that ends up in the hash is what you're doing.

2:16:34SpeakerWould it be like individual, then you would call it individuals of one lineage?

2:16:40Og BrickYeah, I would call the, I would say that if the hash is made from one plant or one cultivar, that it's a varietal hash.

2:16:48SpeakerMm-hmm.

2:16:48Og BrickBut, uh, I mean, population, Ash, is, you know, it's, it's really what they all are. I mean, it's just what, what's the population, right? Is it like a population of 10,000 plants in the Becca Valley or like, you know, the, up in the Rift Mountains or in the, you know? In the Cush Mountain range or whatever? Or is it like, you know... Or is it my backyard?

2:17:13Og BrickYeah, or...

2:17:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think in the end it becomes like a mix of fruity and gassy or all gas or, you know, mixed fruits or maybe you go, oh, I'm gonna do the peach run. So I had like five different peach varieties this year. Peach gas, peach perfection, peach... Just too many peaches and amazing like how much they smell like peach. I was like, wow.

2:17:41Og BrickI'm like, dude, you're like one of my highlights of the last year was sitting at the table in your little cabin smoking away on those jars that you left me. I mean, they were You guys make beautiful rosin. You really do. Thank you.

2:17:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd as an evolution, of course, we're lucky. We're part of a community that's large. We're continuously tapping in, checking in, evolving our... Uh skills teaching our skills like that's the thing like you you start coveting stuff and patenting things and all you do is pigeonhole yourself you think you know everything and you got this one thing like how dumb is that like I'm not well yeah I mean they're different philosophies they're different philosophies like it's kind of like

2:18:31Og BrickThank you for joining us.

2:19:00Og BrickYou know, it's kind of like... We tried breeding it and it went away. You crossed it to a different plant. That's one of those examples where selfing would have really saved the genotype.

2:19:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFor sure.

2:19:13Og BrickRight? And when you outcross it, when you cross it to a different thing, even a sibling, you lose it, at least for one generation.

2:19:21Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicineso there are places for each thing that's that's just the reality you want to create a business you got to start thinking a certain way you know what i mean i mean imagine if you didn't care about Thank you for joining us today.

2:19:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you come back in the spring and you're like, wow, my whole garden is planted from just making hash. And then all that weed grows again. You save it, you make hash. There are some seeds in it. Like literally it could be the easiest thing in the world. It's happening. It happens every year. It's wild to think like,

2:20:14BubblemanMy buddies in Spain used to do it. I'd go and look. And even in Switzerland, I saw it with just mountains that, who was that? Felix, the owl breeder guy. Remember that guy? Yeah. So Felix, when I went to his place, he was in Ticino, I want to say.

2:20:29Og BrickYeah, he was in Ticino.

2:20:30BubblemanOn the side of the mountain. And I walked through his little, and he showed me his water hash. He's like, yes, I throw all. And he just had mountains of weed that he had washed. And there were just plants growing right up out of them.

2:20:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHe's like, yeah, this is going to be another batch. Part of the DEM certification is to, you know, have closed loops and to reuse all of your stuff, nothing, no waste farming type thing. And so, I mean, a lot of the D, like the family farms that we go to and stuff, a lot of us have volunteer gardens, you know, like there's an area where we started realizing, oh, we shouldn't put the leaf in every bed.

2:21:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, we're going to put the leaves in a few beds and that's the actual, and you know, I saw Kaya doing it. I saw Green Source Gardens, you know, doing everyone's, Kush Kirk, everyone's just naturally. It's not necessarily that there's no original thought. I think you just, things just lend themselves to just like, just go a certain way. You know what I mean?

2:21:26Og BrickYeah. Well, Kelly said it best. I mean, part of the high is the setting, right? And part of, like I was saying, I mean, Part of the thing for me with smoking your hash was being there with you guys on the property in your cabin. Right? That's part of the experience. And you can't actually, you can't underestimate that. I mean, they've done all these studies in neuroscience where they give heroin addicts...

2:21:51Og BrickThe heroin addicts have this thing called place preference where like they go to the same place to get high. Okay. So if you give like a heroin addict, say a 50 milligram dose of heroin, heroin in their set and setting that they're used to, if you take them out of that set and setting and put them in a new environment and give them the same dose, they can overdose.

2:22:13Og BrickRight. So it's, it's not just about the size of the dose. It's like set and setting plays a huge, huge role in the drug experience. Right. And, um, I think that's why it's like you get into a new place. Like, you know, the, the, the, the, the five of us going out to dinner on my birthday and, you know, in Barcelona this year, it's like, you know, the joints that we smoked that day or the rosin that we puffed, you know, at your apartment, at the, your, your apartment, the end of the night, it's like part of the enjoyment of that experience was being there with Dirk and the, and the four of us.

2:22:49Og BrickRight. It's not just about what's in the rosin. Yeah, that's true. Agreed. It didn't hurt that we were smoking David's rosin.

2:23:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat was awesome. David's rig with his... Well, I don't think the doll was not there that night, but you had... No, you never did all of this, but yeah, we had everything else. It's amazing to have that like up on the stairs, like looking down at you and stuff, so... Yeah. Life is so rich and amazing. Like, we really do have to be... Thank you so much for being here.

2:23:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much for joining us.

2:24:03Etienne FontanWhen you are beaten down, when the world has kicked you in the balls to the point to where you're just like, fuck you, fuck everything, you know, because it happens to you guys too, every single one of us. So what do you do to recharge? Who do you talk to? I tend to reach out to people like y'all, people in our community who have been through it, right?

2:24:23Etienne FontanIt's where I was very fortunate to have Dr. Todd McCoria and, you know, Jack and Dennis to, you know, bounce those things off of because these aren't things you're really... You know, the school doesn't teach you. Everything's going wrong. You're in a financial crisis. Food's being hard to put on the table. And now you've just been kicked in the fucking, you know, there's no real. So, you know, exploring each one of our and each one of us, because, you know, Marcus has a family, you know, Ryan's single, you know, you know, so each one of us has our own support networks as well that keep us going and driving.

2:24:59Etienne FontanSo what what do you do when you're at your lowest to rise up? I'm going to start with, you know, Dragonfly, then Ryan, I want to hear from Marcus because I think it's important for people who are watching who are struggling to understand we've all struggled. There's more struggle than successes at times. But what do you do when you're at that low point, in that point where you're just like, I don't know if I can go forward?

2:25:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI feel like that's each part, each person in our community sort of represents, you know, a A teaching or an ability to explore a subject or a certain thing with certain people. I don't know that I have Kelly and I'm lucky like that. And after over 30 years, we have each other. But then, you know, you always need someone else and something else. And we have our beautiful friend coming in the house right now.

2:25:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineUm, who we're helping, you know, through a journey as well right now. So we, we tend to have community around us because since we do live on a farm, we kind of need help and hands here and there and stuff. So, and we also have our children, right, you know, who are super close with us, you know, they're now 29 years old and And now have their own child who's three.

2:26:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo in our situation, we're lucky we do have our own family we can bounce life off of. And we try and keep our extended family super close with us. So we have really close friends and family that, and some people we talk to almost daily, you know, that really help us through life.

2:26:38SpeakerI think for me personally, you know, When things just get too filled up, and I think that it's happening a lot because people are reaching out to me a lot. I'm getting a lot of people reaching out. I would think, you know, almost like five people every day who are having an absolute crisis. And it isn't just for them to be able to reach out. You know that they're on the ledge already.

2:27:05SpeakerAnd that's actually, I'm being for real in that. Several of them have been literally on the ledge. So I believe that we are dealing with sort of an unknown frequency in the human environment that is pushing people to levels that they don't even recognize themselves. They don't recognize the life that they're living in because They're saying and we're all saying to ourselves, wait a minute, this is not the life that I thought that I was going to be living.

2:27:44SpeakerI think for me, I have to go out in nature because there's so much noise in the human realm and in the human distraction. For me, reaching out to friends, I do after I've already found something for myself, In the forest, in the woods, you know, taking a sitting in front of the fire. I definitely, it's odd. I've taken on meditation unlike anything else. And it isn't just meditation to calm my mind and balance my nervous system.

2:28:25SpeakerIt's meditation to explore. Explore what's out there right now. I do believe in sort of this we and us as a total human plus earthling existence on this plane as us all carrying some kind of a plasmic frequency vibration that isn't just enclosed in the single person. I believe that we all sort of share in that. And so my meditations at night have allowed me to be able to find a center in all of the chaos.

2:29:07SpeakerSo I think I'm using nature and a ton of meditation, but that isn't easy. That's doing something you don't want to be doing. Oftentimes it's rainy outside. It's disgusting. If I don't put on my boots and I don't put on my rain jacket and I don't get the fuck outside, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:54SpeakerI guess the advice that I give to people is challenge yourself to find your center and whatever that means. Oftentimes we do look to other people to help us, which is great, but let's not look to other people to be a crutch. And I believe I see that a lot lately. So, you know, when anybody comes and talks to me, I'm going to tell you, you're going to find your healing within yourself.

2:30:20SpeakerSo that's what's happening right now. And yes, it's, it's very critical. It's massively critical right now. Thank you for bringing it up, UT.

2:30:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI like what she said, and I just want to also say, Ryan is, and people like Ryan and Marcus, I mean, have such a kind-hearted soul, and it really shines through. Like, we're attracted to that kindness, you know, and when someone really bears their soul and shares that with you, like, that's not something you forget, you know, it's something that's extremely meaningful. So, Yeah, love's deep. It loves deep.

2:30:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's there for those reasons. I like what Kelly said. Keep going, everyone.

2:30:57SpeakerRyan? Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough one.

2:31:02Og BrickI mean, I don't have a primary partner right now. So it's, yeah, you get lonely at times. And obviously, you know, like I said at the beginning of the show, I've had some challenges in my own life that have been pretty difficult.

2:31:17SpeakerTo get through and you rely on family. I'm at the age where I'm starting to lose family. I lost my mom.

2:31:28Og BrickAnd it's end of 2023. And I've got a brother and he lives on the other side of the country. So we don't, we don't stay too, too close in contact. You, you, you rely on community. You have to find strength in yourself. And, um, I find at times when I'm really low and feeling it, one of the best things that for me is helping other people, right?

2:31:58Og BrickIt's like, you know, you think that you got it bad. There's always people that have it worse. And you can be there. It's like I was saying at the end of the show. It's like you got this friend that's dealing with a family member with addiction and they're going through the shit that I went through. 15, 20 years ago.

2:32:23Og BrickAnd so just being able to be there for them is actually a source of strength, right? It's kind of like when your cup's empty, if you give more, it fills back up. And I don't know, that probably doesn't make sense to a lot of people, but...

2:32:45Og BrickYou know, I had over Christmas, I had one of my mom's friends reach out to me and her, her partners in the process of, of passing. And so she reached out to me, you know, to see how I was doing. We're, we're totally different generations keep in mind. And, um, she's a psychologist and just being able to share with her the things that I went through with my own grief.

2:33:16Og BrickI think was helpful for her because you can't, you can't understand the path of losing people that are really close to you when you haven't done it.

2:33:34Og BrickAnd even though I'm, you know, I'm not a trained psychologist, it's just that haven't had the experience of walking the path. You can provide some context and some insights. And there's things that people, you know, they have a hard time accepting when people die. And you can offer the lessons that you've learned in going through your own grief to those people and help hold a mirror up to them and show them that in the midst of their grief, it's like there's, you have this kind of self-reflect and You know, you're thinking about all the things.

2:34:12Og BrickGrief is about loss. Grief is a very selfish emotion. It's all about, or a lot, it's not all about, a lot of it is about what am I going to do with this person gone? How is my life going to change?

2:34:29Og BrickAnd how is it going to affect me? It's really a me, me, me kind of thing. Right? And I find one of the things that's helpful is to kind of reflect back to the people of what they did give to that person that they've lost throughout their life. And they can recognize the gifts that they gave and how those gifts will continue to be able to give to you moving forward.

2:34:58Og BrickSo I don't know if that makes a lot of sense or not, but... That's kind of where I, yeah, I think about it.

2:35:05BubblemanI think it makes perfect sense. It's, you know, to be in service of others is to... I guess somehow tap into your authenticity because it's soul fulfilling when you're in service of others. For my answer, I was going to say, you know, I've got a lot of people in my life, but I don't like to lay things on them when they've got a lot of things going on in their life.

2:35:29BubblemanSo for me, what I've been doing is I've been practicing gratefulness. And the more you practice gratefulness, Really, whether you're grateful or not, you just say you're grateful. Tell your brain you're grateful and you will be grateful. Your brain will be like, oh, okay, this is how I'll be. And so grateful is good. And it does inevitably lead to exactly what Ryan was saying, to be in service of others.

2:35:51BubblemanBecause once I got to a point with my gratefulness, that's exactly what I started doing. I just started offering to do yard work and tree work and pick up fucking ivy and leaves for my neighbors. And it does feel amazing. It's a good thing to do to be of service for someone. For me, I have a weird belief system that I can't get anything back out of it.

2:36:10BubblemanSo the people always want to pay me back. And I'm like, no, I won't take anything. But you can you can do something nice for my wife. And so it's kind of worked out in her favor a few times with people that I've been generous for. For whatever reason, I just feel like if you want to get the being in service of others, not getting something in return for yourself seems to be an important part of that.

2:36:35BubblemanAt least that's where I'm coming from. So that's my answer, and I'm sticking to it.

2:36:39Og BrickYeah, it's funny how giving can fill the empty cup, but it does.

2:36:44Etienne FontanAbsolutely. I mean, our veterans group, we found... All of us have PTSD, be it in combat or not. Okay, you don't have to be in combat to have PTSD. In fact, more people who have PTSD from not combat than probably do. Okay, so it's not a whose trauma is more traumas than our trauma. It's not a trauma dick contest, right? We're not whipping it out to see who's better.

2:37:09Etienne FontanBut at the same time, yeah, I agree. I always feel, I feel weird accepting back, Marcus, I have to say. I love giving. I always feel weird giving back. I always just pay it forward, pay it forward to someone else because that's, my mentors, you know, Dennis, Jack, Dr. Todd, others, you know, were always, Debbie, you know, pay it forward, you know. And that's one of the coolest things.

2:37:33Etienne FontanOnce you've done it, you pay it forward and you see the joy and the happiness it brings somebody else. But yeah, good service of others. I mean, that's why we're activists and probably will be till we die is because it feels good to help. It feels even better to help change history. Changing laws, ooh, ooh, very fucking addictive. I mean, it's wonderful watching people embrace. I love people coming, hey, thank you for doing what you did and help us change this or do this or make this happen.

2:38:06Etienne FontanThat to me is the payment. Right. Thanks. Oh, hey, just an acknowledgement of the work that we did. Sometimes just saying thank you is just enough, you know, and just little things like that mean a lot to people. So just saying thank you, but also finding a way to contribute. Right. There's all kinds of organizations. There's feeding the homeless. There's I mean, I did needle exchange where you physically go out and take needles, clean needles.

2:38:36Etienne FontanAnd oh, look at that beautiful snow. And exchange them with people who have dirty needles. You know, that's a very uncomfortable, very intense situation, ways that we did for harm reduction in the early 90s because they, you know, you had to find, right, finding a purpose, right? Well, there was a purpose. I could go out there. I could physically stand. I could physically exchange. I could engage.

2:38:59Etienne FontanI can talk to people and that's sometimes what they want. You know exactly what Kelly was talking about earlier. You know, she's an empath, which means the words out that people like to talk to her because she gives out good advice and points people in directions and her authentic self. And that's a wonderful thing to do is to watch people take the seed that you hand them, mental seed, right?

2:39:24Etienne FontanAnd then they take it and then they plant it and then they watch it grow. And then the joy that they come back to, it's like a kindergartner, like, look, look what I did. There's a beauty in that just spark of joy, right? Because that's an inspiration that's coming forward, right? That's inspiring somebody else to do something. And one of the things we didn't do when I was growing up was inspire each other.

2:39:47Etienne FontanWe all tore each other down and made each other feel bad and necessarily were not a support group. So we had to learn how to be support for each other in those times and eras. And when I found myself in those times and eras where I didn't know what I was doing, that's when I reached out to my elders. That's when I reached out to those large shoulders that stand on.

2:40:08Etienne FontanBecause once you walk the journey, we all see each other and we recognize the real in each other. So we want to help each other. And sometimes you miss each other. And sometimes somebody kills themselves because you didn't give the advice. You didn't listen. I've been very fortunate. I had a veteran call me one time at 12 o'clock at night. I was going to bed and I was like, I got to pick this up for some reason.

2:40:34Etienne FontanAnd he was literally about to drive himself off a cliff. And if I literally had not picked up that phone, he would be dead. So, you know, that's sometimes the realness of what we carry, as well as, you know, our mentors and friends have died, been killed doing what we do. I've had guns pulled on me. I've had knives. I've had my life threatened, all the above.

2:41:01Etienne FontanThat's really where you have to reach into your empathy and into your compassion. You know, trust me, nothing taught me peace like war, right? But you don't have to go that extreme to be that way. But you have to defend yourself sometimes because, you know, life comes at you, but also people come at you mentally hard. I mean, I've had to... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:47Etienne FontanThat's a weight we carry sometimes that we don't know we're given until you're standing there holding that weight. So when you're in those moments, where do you draw from?

2:41:59SpeakerI definitely have been in those moments. In Haiti, I had a bottle at my neck cutting my throat in front of 35 people all surrounding me chanting, you know, killer. And it was really interesting.

2:42:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAt a birthing clinic.

2:42:18SpeakerYeah.

2:42:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's where we started.

2:42:20SpeakerYeah. So that was a really amazing incident. And when you ask, like, what do you do? For me in my situation, this isn't other people at the end of their rope. This was me and, you know, experiencing something that I had to get myself out of. I, the, the Haitians call it as something that's called de double, which means that you double yourself. And they said that they physically watched me double myself.

2:42:51SpeakerAnd the way that I got out of that situation, I guess, was they, they, they it's, it's part of their belief system that people can become big and small, um, energetically to, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:43:30SpeakerOf, you know, not having much rope anyway, you know, having to try to find knots with a tiny little piece of rope. I think that I always encourage people to find their strength, that they're here for a certain reason. And that in, I always allow them that choice too. I feel like it's really important that if somebody wants to do away with their life, that in that conversation, they still have that option.

2:44:00SpeakerBecause I believe that we need to be empowered with that option of being able to choose life, choose the path, choose because it's more powerful when we choose rather than other people choosing for us. So when people choose life and they choose their path, that's just a much better situation. And I believe that empowering people to find their own You know, why are you fucking here? I don't really think that you were here to drive yourself off of a cliff and to create this stress for your family and for everything that it's going to cause.

2:44:41SpeakerI really don't believe that that's your path. But hey, if you believe that that's your path, I'm here to listen to that. And, you know, we're going to gauge those situations to try to find out if that is your path. And most of the times everybody finds out, hey, wait a minute. That isn't what I, that isn't what I came here to do. I came here for a much greater purpose.

2:45:04SpeakerSo we're all here for something very, very important. And I believe that when we're off of that path of not knowing why we're here and we don't have a purpose, which is everything that society is trying to make us believe is that we don't have a purpose and that we're just a fucking number and just get in line and take a number. And, you know, like Marcus said, authenticity is just so incredibly important.

2:45:27SpeakerFinding our own authenticity is what, It was going to make people want to live and want to be continuing in their path. So that's normally how I take it. I'm sort of somebody who gives it to people straight in such a good way.

2:45:46BubblemanAwesome.

2:45:47SpeakerI got to say, guys, I'm grateful for each one of you guys on the panel, but also to a lot of members in the community, people in the chat. It's funny. I've had a few people reach out to me and just In the last few hours with really nice things to say and thank yous and it's quite humbling. You don't really realize the way in which people impact your life.

2:46:13SpeakerHey, Chen, I met you briefly before Hash Church, but I've gotten to know you through Hash Church and same with you, Josh and Kelly.

2:46:27SpeakerAnd you're all very important people in my life. I'm just really grateful for you, for all of you, and appreciate you. So as we wind down 2025, which has been a rough year, losing David and a whole bunch of other stuff that's been going on, I just wanted to show some gratitude and tell you guys I love you. And I hope that 2026 brings some gifts that are better for all of us and all of our community.

2:46:55SpeakerIt's been, it's been a tough year, but, um, you know, we move forward with the plant and our love for the plants and desire to learn more from it and do better, buy it and get higher and have better hash.

2:47:10Etienne FontanWe did it together. Right. We support each other through these, right. I mean, losing David was huge loss for all of us. It impacted all of us. Right. We were immediately on the phone. We were all talking with each other. We're all literally coordinating. I mean, we coordinated his ashes, right? Which are being grown literally all over the world right now, right?

2:47:30SpeakerMan, I was so lost at that point in time. I mean, I was traveling with David and Diana at the time. And it was like panic mode, try to help Diana. But you guys, all of you guys, each one of you, I mean, I'm thinking about Kelly, all the stuff that you did with the digital work and the art and the posters and ATN and how everybody stepped up financially and Marcus with the organization.

2:48:00SpeakerI mean, Jesus Christ, it was like, I felt like I was being pulled out of the fire. ATN gave me a place to stay. You found the venues. I mean, You guys were all so heroic to me during that time.

2:48:20Etienne FontanLet's shout out Donna. Donna really did. Of course, Donna. I mean, she really, really did a lot. She was amazing. For Diana and them, I mean, yeah.

2:48:30SpeakerShe was amazing. Shout out to Fletch, too. And Fletch. Fletch was incredible. I mean, he stepped up. Provided all the anchor funding, arranged the jars. I mean, he was there with the hash and his kindness and his heart.

2:48:50SpeakerAnd other hash church members, Adam came out of nowhere with the hash and his kindness. And he's since made these patches and Mojave. And I mean, Jesus, the amount of people that stepped up. It was really, really beautiful. And I was floundering. I'm in a different country, you know, operating on like a budget, the traveler's budget and, you know, having banking issues between the two countries and all this stuff.

2:49:21SpeakerI mean, it was, I felt like I was in the fire. I was lost, like just spinning around and you guys lifted me up. I was so grateful and it made something that was impossible possible. And it was, it really showed me some lessons about community. And I learned some not so nice things about some people during the time, but I also learned some really beautiful things about especially you guys and Donna.

2:49:55SpeakerAnd I just wanted to express that gratitude to you guys and everybody else in the congregation in the chat. You know, booth, bingo, there's tons of people.

2:50:10SpeakerYeah, we've got a great group here with a lot of really nice people, kind people with great hearts, and we don't always agree on everything. But we are, I mean, you guys are, we are a sense of community, right? You provide a sense of community. And yeah, Josh and Kelly staying with you guys this summer, I mean, it's just such a blessing. I was just One of the, that was like, that was like, I felt like when the chaos started to end was then, right?

2:50:43SpeakerWas being able to just be with you guys on your farm. And yeah, appreciate you all.

2:50:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineEvery time. Every single time and again.

2:50:58Etienne FontanAnd shout out to Diana and shout out to Monica. You know, we lost Wade this year also, which was another huge loss for our community. We lost two huge pillars in our Hash Church community this year. I mean, they were our elders who carried us and we carried them a little bit. But I mean, it's been an epic loss of the year. I mean. We lost ratio a few years ago and that was absolutely stunningly painful and all to lose somebody so young, but to lose, you know, two of our elders in the same year has been challenging.

2:51:33Etienne FontanAnd I want to thank Marcus, you know, for stepping up and making sure You know, we have the community to be here for each other. So I love you all and appreciate each and every one of you. And I definitely I want to come up and see the farm sometime. But, you know, please do. Mad respect to you all.

2:51:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you to see your announcement here from Nelson, British Columbia.

2:51:57SpeakerWe had, you know, as far as an activist and somebody who has really pushed forward this culture and this plan, Nick from Still Eagle passed Just this last Thursday. And he has been such an incredible, you know, very much so an activist. You might not always agree with how he did things, but boy, he really did things. And he supported a lot of community members and he was a very big part of, you know, the hemp and cannabis industry here in the Kootenays.

2:52:33SpeakerAnd, you know, I know every There's a lot of people from the Kootenays that are watching this and that are a big part of Hash Church and just a lot of love to our community and for us to be able to still be able to stand in his wake and offer that sense of community and that sense of activism.

2:52:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineStill Eagle is the name of the store. It's been in Nelson for over 35 years. It's one of the longest stores in Nelson. Everything in his store is handwritten, no computers, analog, you know, old school. And he represents all and you know, a lot of the artists from the community, you know, it's an art. We've got a lot of stuff coming up. We've got a lot of stuff coming up.

2:53:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've got a lot of stuff coming up. We've got a lot of stuff coming up.

2:53:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe lost Dustin this year as well. Let's just... We did.

2:53:49BubblemanYeah. Shout out to Dustin as well. But we ended up staying at Nick's place there, the apartment above the store. And I got turned on to the Robert Anton Wilson book, Schrodinger's Cat, at his place. And lots of good late night conversations and just... Yeah, he was a part of our history for sure and an inspiration to the Manitoba Hemp guys.

2:54:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat whole entire situation changed our life. I mean, it was one of the big catalysts that enabled us to continue our life that we'd already dedicated ourselves to, but also be able to embody the type of living that we just really needed to embody. I mean, Wayne, the artist, and Nelson, the Holy Smoke Shop and all. Just the natural, wild, just self-reliant, just draft, not to be disrespectful to military, but the draft-dodging community, the Ducobores, the Quakers, the Quakers that we live in our community with are from California.

2:54:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey left in the 50s to get rid of McCarthyism. It's just the cycles continue to, what doesn't change is the love for nature and the ability to try and I don't know. Anyway, so to the people that really have made a difference in the world, you know, end of 2025, beginning of 2026, personally, I've received a lot of lessons that will 100% drive me through 2026. I want to become a better person, personal growth.

2:55:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMe too. Better partner to my wife, to my love. All of it. To my son, to the farm, to the land.

2:55:41BubblemanDude, also, you and I, Josh, are going to be opening Somali daycares in Minnesota this upcoming year.

2:55:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're going to get $1.2 million that we don't have.

2:55:50BubblemanDude, per daycare, baby.

2:55:55Etienne FontanYou bring up the Quakers. Dr. Todd McCorea was a Quaker because he was interned in the camps, the concentration camps during World War II because he was half Japanese. His parents were Japanese. McCorea is his name. So the Quakers were the only ones to show kindness to them and visit the camps, especially back in the day. So when I read his memorial, when I gave a little eulogy at his memorial, it was at the Quaker Center there.

2:56:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe Friends, Friends Community Hall or something like that.

2:56:31Etienne FontanYeah, yep, yep. It's a great, amazing community. They do a lot of, you know, feeding of people. I see a lot of people they're doing right now for food banking. So I mean, shout out to the Quakers, man. Mad respect because they, you know, people talk the talk. They walk the motherfucking walk. So really good.

2:56:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's not an Amish situation, which is also really impressive.

2:56:54BubblemanAnd the Mennonites and all of that whole group, all those groups, man. I grew up in Manitoba. We had Mennonites. We had Amish. They were around. They're just like those motherfuckers will move a barn. They'll just be like, we're going to move a barn. Just need a couple hundred of you guys. Pick up your... They're like, holy shit. And by the way, they built that barn earlier that day.

2:57:15Etienne FontanYeah, go look at videos and watch them move barns, man. That shit's incredible. I've seen that when I worked around the Amish in Pennsylvania.

2:57:22BubblemanThat is something to behold, man. That is... That's almost a blessing, really, truly, to be able to be raised like that and just kind of bubbled out from the rest of the madness that's going on in the world, then become like, you know, an adult and be like, okay, maybe now I'll go check out this crazy shit. I can't even imagine what it's like to have been protected from that for your whole life and then be like, I can't remember which group does it.

2:57:47BubblemanI'm not sure if it's Mennonites or Amish or who it is, but there's a... Is it the Amish who send them off at 18 or whatever? They get like a month or what's it called?

2:57:57Etienne FontanIt's a year, Rumspringer.

2:57:58BubblemanIt's a year, Rumspringer, right.

2:58:00Etienne FontanThey got to figure out what they want. And if they want to go out in society, they're ostracized from their families and everything, or they go back to, you know, the simple society. And that's where you've got the split offs of the Mennonites and stuff like that.

2:58:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's where you go back to personal choice. Once you make that personal choice, like there's no way, there's no wavering from it.

2:58:20Etienne FontanOnce the year's over, that's it. You've made your choice. They consider it a close and final, right?

2:58:27SpeakerAnd you know, we've talked about a lot of people who have been mentors to us and a lot of people who have helped us along the way or people who have been people that we could call and count on. You know, I just want to remind everybody out there that you too are going to be those people. We seem to think that our current situation is a situation that we're going to stay in forever and we just have to really remember That just because our current situation is difficult does not mean that next week, next year, next month, even in a couple of hours from the moment that you're feeling that, that you can't change someone else's life, that you can't be an inspiration for somebody else.

2:59:14SpeakerOf course you are. Of course you're an inspiration to somebody else. Of course you're helping somebody else throughout the day. And I always say, you know, one thing that I've always said to people, if you're having a hard day, fake a good one.

2:59:32SpeakerFake a good one. And what I mean by that is it doesn't mean that it's going to change your current situation, but you certainly can tip the guy that just pumped your gas. You can tell the lady at the checkout station, oh my gosh, you look amazing today. Thank you so much for the work that you do for the people. I really appreciate you.

2:59:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI recognize you.

2:59:57SpeakerI recognize you. I see you. That's faking a good time. And then all of a sudden you're realizing the energy that you get back starts to fuel you up. And then you're actually embodying That energy that you're putting out. So I feel that we have the ability to cure ourselves through our own community by just putting out goodness and it coming back. So I want to encourage everybody in 2025 that, yeah, things are difficult and they may even get more difficult, but there is some real beauty that we can push out in there to make our own lives and everybody else's lives better.

3:00:38SpeakerSo you two are going to be an inspiration and you two are mentors and leaders to other people in your lives.

3:00:47Etienne FontanI watch my wife do it all the time. She'll tell somebody who looks cute, you look cute. You look absolutely great in that. And you know, it absolutely changes their day. They're like, oh, I'm acknowledged. Somebody saw me. I exist. And you know, what I put effort in mattered, you know? And so that's the series of reflections that come from that, which are important, right? There are...

3:01:09Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

3:01:25Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

3:01:44Etienne FontanMarcus, you're a dad, right? You can't just be a slovenly piece of shit. You have to kind of lead by example, right? I don't have kids, but there's times... Well, I mean, you know, sometimes I've...

3:01:57Etienne FontanBut I mean, you have to challenge yourself in that moment because you're a parent. You have, I mean, Josh and Kelly, you did too, right? You're raising a child and a being and you realize that you could right now in this moment impart kindness and love or potential trauma that they're gonna be talking to about with a psychiatrist.

3:02:14BubblemanYou inevitably give them both no matter how hard you try. You absolutely, and the weird thing about trauma, the more I learn about trauma is trauma's not about getting punched in the face. It's how well you get up after. That's what trauma is. It doesn't matter what your trauma is. Your trauma is actually your reaction to the event. That's what your trauma is. It's not the thing.

3:02:39BubblemanIt's not the, oh, I had this happen or this happened. It's like, how did you take it? Did it crush you? Did it destroy you? Did you lay on the ground for weeks afterwards sobbing? Or did you just get up and shake that shit off and kind of move on? Because that's really the difference right there.

3:02:54SpeakerAnd being more specific on that, you know, the person who is pissing you off the most and who is triggering you the most, it's nice to be able to turn it around and say, wow, Right now, this person is my biggest mentor. Right now, this person is teaching me something that's my most difficult to face. And I really want to give props to that person who is triggering that for me.

3:03:19SpeakerAnd it's challenging to do that. You know, another quote that I just heard, it just stung so deep and it was so good that if you don't, If you don't deal with your own demons, they will raise your children.

3:03:39Etienne FontanThat is for sure. I was like, oh, that's fucking profound.

3:03:43SpeakerFuck.

3:03:45Etienne FontanYeah.

3:03:45SpeakerDamn. Dang. Anyone who's a parent knows that. So let's deal with our own demons so we're not putting it on to the next generation or onto our friends. That's why I always say I got to get myself straight. I got to go on a walk. I got to tell... I got to take my little bong or my doobie.

3:04:01BubblemanI think it's morphogenetic resonance. You know, we carry with us through our time and then we leave that with the next generation, not necessarily as we perceive it as trauma, but as the experience that happened. It's like you need to have this because otherwise you might repeat it. So take this with you. Try not to hold it personal. But, you know, we're carrying all this stuff from our families of generations and generations and It's kind of the thing that you pass on more than the name.

3:04:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI really agree with what you said earlier on a sense that like I don't necessarily reach out to people that much either with my problems. Like I, for the same reason, like you said, Marcus, like sometimes I'm just like, I don't necessarily.

3:04:45BubblemanDude, then reach out to me and I'll reach out to you.

3:04:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOkay. I'll be like, fuck.

3:04:52BubblemanI just got another one I got to tell you. I'm like, wait, I have 10 I need to tell you.

3:04:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI actually met just like one time a week. But I'm just saying that I'm thankful to the farm and to the work as a builder and my craft, you know, I tend to get healing through just going outside and doing my craft and just In a sense, working meditations, you know, and it's not just to mindlessly work, it's to mindfully work, you know, and get grounded from the earth, which we always talk about, you know.

3:05:33SpeakerAnd if you're really angry, honestly, two hours of weeding, I promise it will cure it. I can't say forever, but it's an incredible curative.

3:05:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, and go ahead, ATN, please.

3:05:49Etienne FontanI was just going to shout out to you parents for, you know, recognizing your intergenerational traumas, realizing what they were and actively working to change that. That's respect. That's serious fucking change because you've raised adults. I mean, you have, I mean, you're, you have two markets, but you're still raising some wee ones, but you know, you've got experience there. So, I mean, that's, Yeah, I'm not a parent, not going to be a parent, but I'm humbled by your words as well as I'm curious as I watch, you know, I'm the youngest of 13, so I've got more of sisters and nephews and nieces and stuff that I find out each year.

3:06:31Etienne FontanIt's graduation.

3:06:32BubblemanCan we just take a moment and show respect to Etienne's mother?

3:06:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNo, no, no, most of them were step.

3:06:38Etienne FontanNo, no, mom had three. The rest of them were step. No, my mom was not a step. Yes, my mom was 13 kids.

3:06:45BubblemanYou had to raise them.

3:06:48Etienne FontanChristmas sucked. You know, I got new socks and underwear, you know, but, you know, 13, you know, I got all the hand-me-downs, you know what I'm saying? So I'd go to school and be like, oh, I remember when your brother wore that this freshman year. You're like, oh, fuck. God damn it. You know, but that's, you know, part of growing up being poor. You know, you got to deal with what you got to deal with, you know, because on top of that, Remember, my biological father was born blind, right?

3:07:15Etienne FontanAnd then my biological brother, my closest brother, he's born blind without eyes and autistic. So, you know, I spent a lot of, and I, you know, this is where I'm weird. I think everybody has handicapped people in their family, right? Not just one, right? So, you know, it's just, you know, again, how and where we grow up in the environments that we grew up around. And shout out to my mom.

3:07:41Etienne FontanShe was very compassionate. And even in all the trauma she was going through, she started the first, you know, blind radio station run by the blind for the blind in New Orleans. Still going.

3:07:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHow amazing.

3:07:54Etienne FontanRight? She started an organization called the American Council for Blind Parents because she had a child that was born blind and there was no resource for it. In one year, this is like 1977, 78, it grew to all 50 states and like 60 countries. That's how fast or how prevalent blindness is in the world where people are like, yeah, I have a child that's born blind. What the fuck do I do?

3:08:18Etienne FontanYou know what I'm saying? Wow. I had a lot of experience around challenged people and how they overcame it. So I couldn't, I watched blind people try to figure out how to run businesses. So to sit there and watch somebody with all their capabilities sit there and whine, you know, about what they don't have was something that confused and confounded me because I was around, you know, people who were like, yeah, I can't see, but I'm going to go to fucking Paris and have a great fucking time.

3:08:48BubblemanDude, or Whistler and Ski. My friend teaches the adaptive ski program. They're skiing down the mountain blind.

3:08:57Etienne FontanWell, as we, you know, people, people, you know, because people go around buying people and they start to talk loud. Like, it's like, wait a second. All right. Close your eyes for a second. Everybody here, close your eyes. Right now, what has changed about you other than you cannot see? Nothing. So, you know, it's just, again, how we, you know, learn to deal with and adapt to, you know, the world that's around.

3:09:21Etienne FontanMy father went and became the first blind lawyer in Louisiana, went through Loyola Law School in 1960.

3:09:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNo way.

3:09:30Etienne FontanYeah, yes way. And oddly enough, what did I do years later? I found his crime on eBay in a photo, in a photo dump from a newspaper from the Times-Picayune because he had to disbar himself because he was blind in 1964. That was before the 1964 Equal Rights Act. So he couldn't get a job. He tried to join the military and they're like, yeah, and I still got to put three holes in a target here and you can't.

3:09:56Etienne FontanSo... You know, he ended up faking a crime where he said he went to the bathroom at a bank and some guy asked for change. And then he handed up without his wallet. And then the guy supposedly put a gun into his ribs. And then he handed over his wallet and his files, right? Because he was a lawyer, right? So it turns out he did a bunch of legal stuff by not doing the work.

3:10:27Etienne FontanAnd he just threw away the files. He did the crime two more times. And oddly enough, the photo I have is the beat police officer taking the statement from him. And on the back of it is the Times Picayune article from 1964. Well, that beat officer. The third time he did it was now a detective. At the New Orleans Police Department. And so he caught him in 1970 and then told my mom.

3:10:56Etienne FontanMy mom thought it was the first time it happened. And the detective was like, no, this is the third time. And that's when she was like, oh, you're done. And packed all his stuff up and moved him the fuck out. And that's when he got disbarred. So he was hyper intelligent, but then turned out to be, you know, a sociopath. So. I grew up around mentally ill people too.

3:11:16Etienne FontanMy mom was, you know, my uncle was paranoid schizophrenic, you know, literally disappeared off the face of the earth, never to be seen or heard from again. Dude, you were bred for the cannabis industry. I was, my, my, as somebody says, we all have a glass table before us. That is our constitution. Mine was heavily tempered early. Because I had a lot of chaos early in my life that I was able to channel into positivity that I needed and relied on early on in cannabis.

3:11:48Etienne FontanI would not have been able to survive because You know, my uncle, we believe, was eaten by alligators because where he was staying was a VA nursing home across two swamps from where we lived in New Orleans. And he had actually crossed those swamps and actually knocked down my grandmother's front door because he was having a paranoid schizophrenic fit. He was on, he was in the Navy and he was on the USS Scorpion, which is at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

3:12:15Etienne FontanHe was a submariner and he had a schizophrenic, his first minor schizophrenic fit he had right before its maiden voyage and they pulled him off of it and they put him in a rubber room and he of course was in a bad place and then a couple weeks later the USS Scorpion imploded at the bottom of the Marianas Trench and that's where it sits to this day.

3:12:41Etienne FontanAnd then he heard about all of his friends and compatriots being literally killed in an instant. And that's when he snapped forever and lost his mind. And so he spent a lot of his time in mental hospitals. So, you know, between my mother being, she was heavily depressed after all that happened and laid in bed for four years while I was 12 through 16. So I had to literally figure out how to eat, close myself, get myself to school.

3:13:09Etienne FontanAt a young age, because my stepdad was working, he was working in the oil field as a dispatcher. So he spent all of his time, you know, 12 hour days, right? Doing, you know, shifts to where, you know, mom was just laying in bed. I would go to her with my, you know, I need a note signed for school. She'd just wake up, sign it and go on her thing, you know, so.

3:13:31Etienne FontanShe was a strong woman but even she broke and so that's where I sit there and I look at my table and wonder why is mine so tempered and I watch others shatter so easily and I just great fire great tempering a great deal of trauma that you know I've had to figure out how to deal with as I'm still figuring out how to deal with that You know, cannabis helped me.

3:13:54Etienne FontanYou know, it helped me put it in order. It helped realize what was important to me. You know, I was ostracized from my family. You know, I mean, I don't know if people realize this or not, but five years after when I came back from the war, I could not contact, I could not talk to my family. I had a really hard problem because when I went to war, I expected to die.

3:14:14Etienne FontanI said goodbye to everybody I knew. And I was expecting to die because the life expectancy of an artilleryman back then was 90 seconds. Nine zero seconds because we were going off of the Eastern European statistics that we fire one volley and then we get vaporized. Right. So, you know, I said literally goodbye to everybody and was hard for me was to bring people back into my life and bring them back to life again.

3:14:46Etienne FontanThat was challenging. And that's where I credit my battle buddy, Dave Schultes and working on his aunt's horse farm there in Amish country in Smithville, Pennsylvania, and just being around horses. And after, you know, after killing people, dude, it's hard to come back to caring about people. And, um, People got addicted to killing. Really, really did. It's really fucked up to watch that shit. But, you know, it was animals and horses that really brought me around to caring about life again.

3:15:19Etienne FontanAnd that was a humbling journey. And I'm thankful for that journey because I was I was drinking up to a fifth of Jack Daniels a night just to cope. And I was starting into a second bottle and then cannabis, you know, really pulled me out of both of all those holes.

3:15:36BubblemanYou could have been a member of Guns N' Roses.

3:15:42BubblemanWith your drinking.

3:15:43Etienne FontanI was a bass player. I had a band, you know, but I was in a band called Harsh Reality.

3:15:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat is harsh, dude. Brother, so much love for you and the journey. And I know that it's probably speaking to a lot of people in the community right now to hear your story. The way that you've chose to deal with your problems is extremely positive. And that's a really amazing teaching for the rest of the world. You know, some people just fall in line and continue the destruction.

3:16:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I find it extremely empowering and inspiring to see a person like you that goes to make a change.

3:16:16Etienne FontanYeah, again, again, it's the mentors and seeing how they were doing it and seeing how they did it right, seeing their mistakes, seeing their fuck ups. They're all humans, too. Right. But seeing how I wanted to be and I always wanted to try to be a better person because I've been around enough shitty people in my life. And I, you know what I found out through that experience?

3:16:36Etienne FontanI didn't like my family. And I had to deal with that. And, you know, you're supposed to love your family and all that. And I realized I didn't. And I had to come around to loving them again. And that was a journey in itself. But another trauma I dealt with was my mother was Catholic early on and she left the church, then came back. And when she came back to the church, she decided to confess her soul.

3:17:01Etienne FontanAnd when she confessed her soul, she then told me or had to tell me that she tried to kill me multiple times in the womb. Jesus. Which I think is something nobody should ever hear from their parental unit. But she was confessing her soul and whatever it was, what it was. But yeah, I was wondering why I was born two weeks too late. But she said, yeah, she tried to suffocate me or kill me in the womb multiple times.

3:17:25Etienne FontanSo I was like, wow, well, I know I have this inherent distrust of my mother. Thank you for watching.

3:17:49BubblemanWell, even the language, right? The language is softened. Usually they just call that abortion now. They don't call it like killing you in the womb, right? They soften the blow. Like veal. They don't call it dead baby cows. They call it like veal because it's like a nice word. It's veal.

3:18:03Etienne FontanYeah, it's a lovely word.

3:18:06BubblemanIt's tasty.

3:18:07Etienne FontanYou know, we... I, you know, figuring out how to get through your traumas is all of our duties in life, right? If you're going to do anything positive in life, you got to deal with the negatives. You can hide the negative all you want, but it came out in my relationships. It came out in... And challenging situations or even in good situations. And you have to figure out how to handle how to deal with those situations because you said it, it's your duty and it's a double entendre because it is duty.

3:18:36BubblemanIt is absolute duty that you have to deal with.

3:18:40Etienne FontanAnd duty and the shit term too.

3:18:42BubblemanThat's the duty I was talking about.

3:18:44Etienne FontanRight? As Kelly said, you know, when it's days and it's rainy and it's shitty, you still got to go put on the things to go do what you have to do. If you go out barefoot and right, you're going to be soaked and wet. The joint's not going to go right. You have to go through the steps to go and accomplish things. Right. And so I think that's a journey that's always important.

3:19:04Etienne FontanA scary journey because it's with you. You have to confront you, right? If everybody teaches you religion and all these things that have to do that, but it's really your work that you have to put in. And you're your best friend and your own worst enemy if you choose to.

3:19:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou're there for you when you die, so you really got to make it good with yourself.

3:19:26Etienne FontanVery good. Well stated.

3:19:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLove you, Josh. I love you too, ATN, and a lot of respect for you. And it's a good way to give thanks for 2025 and towards the end of the session here. And again, we're grateful, and we love you. And we appreciate the depth. We appreciate the intelligence, the heartfelt soul, Hard realities, the soft, you know.

3:20:00SpeakerYeah.

3:20:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineEverything.

3:20:01SpeakerIt's been challenging. It really has been for most everybody 2025. So I think more than anything, we all need to just keep on going and we wish you all all of the best. And I always tell people, please reach out. And if there's any way that we can be helpful to people, we always want to be because this is our community and we're up for it and we're here for it.

3:20:22SpeakerSo we're going to get rolling. Uh, got our family to, to go tend to, and, um, thank you all so much. And Marcus really, you know, I don't even know how many episodes this is, but guaranteed it's not always been easy for you with your family to continue to put these up, you know, but somehow at all odds, you just keep doing it because you know how important it is and you know what market makes in the world.

3:20:52SpeakerAnd thank you so much for. Continuing to offer the space for people to come and not feel like, you know, they're so different.

3:21:03BubblemanAbsolutely. Well, thank you guys for always showing up and making an appearance and sharing your good vibes with everyone. I too am going to make a point in 2026 of smoking your hash in your house.

3:21:16SpeakerNo.

3:21:16BubblemanIn 2026. Let's make that happen. I'm going to be there. Maybe I'll even come up through the U.S. I'll just come up through Spokane or whatever it is that's over there.

3:21:28Etienne FontanMaybe I'll be with you in the car.

3:21:30BubblemanMaybe you will.

3:21:33SpeakerYeah. Dude, we're manifesting. That's our home in Oregon.

3:21:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love it. All the stuff. It all sounds good. And again, we'll try and make it out to...

3:21:41BubblemanSki the Slips of Whistler with you, Marcus. I mean, please, it's dumping. It's ridiculous. It's insane. I have been skating with my son. He's now into hockey. He's got some skates and some gloves and a stick. And he's gone four times to stick and puck. And I can't even believe he was doing this sort of West Van skating lessons that they don't really teach you anything. And it takes like years to just be shitty at it.

3:22:05BubblemanDude, each time he's gone to stick and puck has been like 25 of those lessons. He's now like, you know, firing the puck into the net. And he's, well, not natural, but working on it and repetition and just, you know, doing the work. And it's super exciting. I was a hockey player as a young buck, so I'm not going to lie. I'm like, my wrist is like hurt right now from like taking shots.

3:22:29BubblemanWell, I've gone four days in a row with him and we go again in three hours. Today at 315, we'll be doing the skating over at the West Van Arena. So super fun, super awesome.

3:22:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHockey, you know, in Oregon, all that and stuff. And I've never played hockey, but the agility that goes into the skating is just absolutely beautiful. It's awesome. The hand eye coordination with the sticks like got to be good for you. I mean, you know, it feels good.

3:22:58BubblemanI mean, I grew up doing it, so I have the nostalgia aspect of it. But I love it. I love skating. I love skating backwards. I love shooting the puck and doing maneuvers and just having my son be like, oh, dad, I want to learn how to do that. It's such a cool thing to play with your kid. And I don't know. Anything else that I play with him on this level of focusing on him.

3:23:23BubblemanSo he's probably partially addicted to that aspect of it. Like, wow, that's cool. A lot of attention.

3:23:28Etienne FontanYou matched him also, right? Because you used to play so you can you were showing him.

3:23:32BubblemanWe want to know the best part about hockey and skating. You can't pull out your fucking phone. That shit is put away for the whole time. You're not you're not doing this. Like, dude, my kid does not want to see me on my phone. It bums him out. Fair. That's fair.

3:23:49SpeakerAnd that has been unbelievable is just get out puzzles. Yeah. Puzzles are incredible. Everybody puts down their phone.

3:23:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou've got a puzzle.

3:24:00SpeakerHey, nice one. Yeah. Look at that. It's amazing how you don't look at your phone.

3:24:06BubblemanIt's true. It's true. My son's actually gotten into chess in the last like three to four months. So now he's obsessed with chess as well. Chess and hockey. These are the two things that are currently.

3:24:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI've been doing pente more recently in the house, which is a cool game with the glass pieces. Yeah.

3:24:24SpeakerCome here. I'll teach it to you. Pente is pretty cool. You probably remember it from the 70s.

3:24:28BubblemanHe's got one called like doodle or dwindle and it's like a it's a case that you open up and there's all these little holes and then he's got pieces that are colorful and different shapes and they're made out of balls and one shaped like an L and one shaped like an S and And you have to remember how to put them all in to make it so you fill up every hole in the thing.

3:24:50BubblemanAnd he's also really liking that. He likes like things that, you know, that that are hard for his mind. Does he like Legos? Oh, he loves Lego. Yeah, big, big Lego guy. He's definitely on the Lego trip. Who doesn't love Lego? If you don't like Lego, that's almost like not liking Bob Marley. Like I'm suspicious of you.

3:25:10SpeakerYou should be, you don't like dogs.

3:25:12Etienne FontanIt's really funny y'all mentioned the puzzles because I literally just finished this puzzle last night. Thousands of pieces. I like vacation, you know, to just sit there and do a puzzle. Yeah, you just check out and yeah, I mean, because I'm looking at the ocean right here. Turtles and treasures.

3:25:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love you guys.

3:25:31BubblemanWe had orcas swim by today. Four of them. A pod of a mama and a dada and a couple of calves.

3:25:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're getting herds of elk that now come down to our field. We don't get that in the summer. They just come in the winter. Some of the huge ones.

3:25:47BubblemanYou've got to make a video of those elk. I'll make one of the whales. There you go. That would be cool. All right. Put it together. Well, listen, I think we're going to end it a little bit early today. 1230. Josh and Kelly are taking off. Ryan's had his camera off for a while. Etienne wants to get out to the beauty of Hawaii. I'm going to get to doing some chores around the house, get in the garden here and then take Tanner to skating.

3:26:10BubblemanBut I do want to thank Puffco and the Press Club for an amazing year of sponsorships for sorting this out. Take care of us. You guys have been amazing. Big thanks to those two companies. They are more than just a business, I would say. From my intimate knowledge of knowing them, Puffco laced me up so many times. Everywhere I went, they've laced up my friends, they laced up people I don't even know.

3:26:36BubblemanThey've just been super awesome, as have the Press Club, who gave away a ton of spoons and parchment and All the different things that they do. Bags for pressing. So I really want to thank those guys as well as bubble bags. Of course, you know, we're doing our best. Like Kelly says, I don't know what drives me, but every Sunday here I am. And thankfully, so are you guys.

3:26:58BubblemanThat's what keeps me going. One Sunday, you guys just aren't going to show up and that'll be the end of Hash Church. Unless I just talk by myself for four hours, we'll see what happens.

3:27:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhich you could do really well. Oh my God.

3:27:07BubblemanI don't know about really well, but I could definitely do it.

3:27:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou're awesome. Well, Press Club and Puffco has been really amazing to us independently from Hash Church and giving us things everywhere. We love the whole community. Totally had a Puffco. The whole community involved and Juliana out in Europe and everyone.

3:27:23SpeakerWe had somebody steal our Puffco when we were doing... At Mary Jane. At Mary Jane and there they were. Bing! Here's another one, you guys. And so I'm so thankful.

3:27:33BubblemanThat's what they did in Vegas for me. I had one. My friends from Colorado brought it out, and it was so dirty, it just stopped working, and we didn't have time to clean it. So I went to the Puffco booth, and they were just like, oh, dude. It's a proxy and you need a Puffco Black 3D XL. Here you go. I was like, oh my God. Give thanks.

3:27:53BubblemanAnd then I gave them away to people in need, right? I'm not going to bring home.

3:27:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe make killer hash with the Press Club bags and the Bubble Man bags. So big up family. Love you, ATN. Love you, Ryan. Have a great day. Cheers, guys.

3:28:09BubblemanThanks, everyone. May the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. Thank you all for watching. I don't know how many there are of you. I think it's two or 300 in the chat right now. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. All that jazz. I'm going to jump in the ocean on January 1st and do a polar bear swim. So I hope that some of you feel the vibes as well.

3:28:28BubblemanMaybe go jump in the lake. Yeah. Or the river or the ocean. It's a great way to start the year. And in the meantime, we will see you next week. We've got some good hash churches already planned for January. So we're going to have Craft Greenery come on, one of our sponsors from last year. Mark and Dennis are going to come on and speak to what they've been doing with their little dispensary that they're trying to grow into, you know, pay attention to all the things we love on Hash Church, really.

3:28:57BubblemanI've also got the original Breeders League. Jimmy is going to be coming in. I think he's going to have Mojave and a few others. They're doing like a 55,000 seed test right now. It's super epic. So we've got a show planned with them that they're going to be coming on. We may have Rob on for that as well. Mojave is already confirmed. So lots of good shows in the new year.

3:29:20BubblemanHave a great rest of your year. If you can, if you can't, like Kelly said, fake it. You'll feel it. It's worth it. In the meantime, peace out, everybody. Thanks for watching Hash Church. Blessed love.