Hash Church with Mock Technologies and Michigan Hashmakers

0:00BubblemanAll right, now we got to go record to the cloud. All right, everybody, I think we are a go. How's it going, everybody? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I'm using a wireless mic today, so let me know if you can hear me. Oh, you can hear me, or I can hear me anyway. Welcome to Hash Church, everyone. A beautiful Sunday afternoon here in Auburn, Michigan, where I am with Luke.

0:27BubblemanWhat's cracking? I'm with Luke from Mock Technologies. We'll get into that a little bit more. I just want to do ever so quickly. I would like to mention the sponsors, shout out our sponsors as we always do. Today is episode 30 of season 12. So thanks everybody for coming out. I am just going to go back and just confirm a thousand percent that you guys can hear me.

0:47BubblemanPerfect. I love to see that. Okay. So let me get my logos up.

0:55BubblemanThere we go. Logos up.

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3:21BubblemanShout out to Luke for hooking us up with the wireless transmission here for the audio, which means I should be able to. I'm still going to try and read what you guys say. I'm going to have to figure out making the words right. A little bigger, which kind of sucks because when I do that, the words change to over here and take up most of the screen.

3:41BubblemanWhat are you going to do? What are you going to do? So we're recording. We're live. Everything's a go. I'm in Michigan. I'm here with Luke trying to reframe it again. All right. How's it going, dude? Fantastic, man. It's good to be hanging out with you. Dude, you have been working your ass off for the last few days to make all of this happen. I can see a lot of it's resting on your shoulders.

4:06BubblemanYeah. You've got a ton of people coming. You can let them in there. I think that's Aaron. Cool. We've got visitors. We've got visitors. It is. I got Henny Icer X in the house. Dude, look at how this guy shows up.

4:19Aaron WaiteGood.

4:23BubblemanOh, my goodness. Perfect timing. I literally just went live. What's going on, Caleb?

4:31SpeakerNot much. Still in Sacramento for the state fair. It's been really.

4:36BubblemanHow's that going?

4:37SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

4:58SpeakerThe eight flower samples that we saw were more diverse than all the flower samples, 60 plus that we saw from the licensed portion of the competition.

5:09BubblemanI mean, that makes sense to me, you know, because from the perspective of the economics and requiring, you know, the necessity to have economic viability and the choices that you make for the cultivars and the flavor profiles and the yields and the milligrams and the this's and the that's. I can totally see that. It makes total and complete sense to me that there would be more diversity among People like this guy, right?

5:36BubblemanYou know, doing his own thing, basing it on not the economics of like, oh, you know, how much resin will I get and how much money can I turn that into as much as like, well, is the resin effective to what I need it for? And then after that, it can be like, well, you know, if I can get a lot of it, that's a bonus, but it's certainly not the driving factor.

5:59BubblemanTo get a lot of resin that doesn't do the job for what you need it for versus like I got a lot of resin and now I just sell that resin and then I go and like buy resin that actually works for me. So I like that idea. We've been puffing full melt. We've got to be careful in this room because they have a much more sensitive thing.

6:20BubblemanThey don't have a fan button that turns on and I can't open the window. The window doesn't open. But I do have your unit here and we couldn't, worst case scenario, if I'm sure I'm probably going to, you know, get kicked out of here and just burn. Worst case scenario, there's a door right there. So we can literally take dabs out of your portable unit and just rip dabs there.

6:39BubblemanBut I was, I was a little concerned. I'm not going to lie when I came into the room.

6:44SpeakerThe first thing I checked too was, can we open the window?

6:46BubblemanI was like, yeah, the window's like, do you have a Phillips screwdriver?

6:50SpeakerBecause if you do, we can take a little screen. You asked me earlier.

6:53BubblemanI know I did the same thing.

6:54SpeakerI was like, do I have a Phillips? We've been working with them for the last three days, but we didn't bring one with us to the hotel.

7:00BubblemanSqueeze in a little bit.

7:01SpeakerWe can all fit in here.

7:02BubblemanWe've got microphones. So if you were, yeah, or we can also like pull one off and hand it to you if you're going to get into it here. And then we got Caleb who's in over in Sacramento at the, what was it called you were at again? The State Fair?

7:18SpeakerYeah, California State Fair, California Cannabis Awards.

7:22BubblemanThat's awesome. I don't know how my computer works. I really don't. Do you see what it's doing? Do you see what it's doing? Well, we were just, oh, what do you got there? That looks like a haze.

7:34SpeakerOh, I wish it was a haze. It's a strawberry Barbara from a friend up in Hay Fork, Trinity.

7:40BubblemanOkay, okay. Well, that Barbara's got that shish keberry in there and there's some special stuff in there.

7:44SpeakerYes, absolutely. By way of Canadia.

7:47BubblemanYeah, by way of Canada. So we were just at the, where were we? We were just at your buddy's. We were at the Parker facility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were just over at a facility and these guys have built this thing. I actually have to try and figure out, I'm going to send the video to AirDrop to my phone because I don't want to hold my phone up.

8:07BubblemanThat is like the worst way for this. But we filmed a short little video, two short little videos actually. While we were there, let's see, is this the one? Oh yeah, six minutes, that'll be the one right there. So let me just airdrop this over to the computer. Technology is mental. It's pretty nice. It's mental. As long as it works right.

8:27SpeakerDude, it's working.

8:30BubblemanThat's a six minute video. It's probably four gigs or something. Yeah. Filmed in 4K. And look how it's already a quarter done. It's ridiculous. It's crushing. We are blessed. Other than the fact that we can't currently rip dabs and Caleb's blowing smoke in our face. I'm doing it for y'all. We'll make up for it tomorrow. That's a fact. I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing.

8:51BubblemanAre you in the homeostasis room, Caleb? The science group that Stefan from Switzerland has going? Nope, I'm not. Anyway, today I sent... The link to that group, I think it's 115 cannabis scientists. Chimera was the one that invited me into it. But there's a ton of awesome people in there. And I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything people are saying. Terp t-shirts are available through University of what?

9:21BubblemanOh, right, right, right. Terps. Everyone thinks this is the University of Mississippi. What is it? Football? Yeah, yeah. Maryland. Maryland.

9:28SpeakerMaryland Terpings. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that Maryland Terpings?

9:32BubblemanPeople are like, what's up?

9:32SpeakerTerpings.

9:33BubblemanYeah, dude. I'm like, what? Who are you? You like Terps too? You like it? Yeah, man. Dude, you didn't, I would have never guessed that you also like Terps. We are both liking the most different types of Terps. Possibly like, I'm not against football Terps, but I do prefer cannabis Terps. I'm not going to lie. Did you play football? I did. You must have played football. I did.

9:56BubblemanYou were a big boy. Actually, these two guys, between them, were over 600 pounds like 10 or what, 15 years ago, 20 years ago? Yeah, no, like 10 years ago. 10 years ago, these two guys weighed 600 pounds plus between the two of them. Shed a couple pounds. They were showing pictures yesterday, and we were trying to see who had the bigger head. Yeah. They had the most monstrous fucking heads.

10:19BubblemanSo I was like, props to both of these guys for being healthy and coming over. In my opinion, I've never had to lose weight like that. But I think that has to be one of the hardest things in the world because you have to change completely how you consume food.

10:33SpeakerYeah. And I love food.

10:34BubblemanSo that's a massive. Obviously. Oh, yeah. There it is. There's Aaron's fucking face.

10:39SpeakerOh, my goodness.

10:42BubblemanDude, that is incredible. By the way, he had just climbed a mountain in that picture. He's on the top of a mountain in Colorado. He says this to me yesterday. I said, I said, dude, you must have been dying. He was like, I was dying. And then he goes, I was on a cane. He climbed it with a cane. I was like, oh my God. So shout out to both of you guys for fucking overcoming that.

11:00BubblemanThat is no joke. And for people watching, you can too overcome this. It's like, from what I've been told, It's really about the discipline of what you put in your mouth and everything that follows behind that, the exercise and being active and whatnot is obviously important, but it's about this right here. Would you guys agree with that?

11:17SpeakerYeah, combination of the two, what you put in and being in a good consistent routine with activity, whatever it is, it doesn't really matter, but you got to move. That's the biggest thing. You can eat, you just got to move. But yeah, those two things in balance, but it's a lot of... You got to be on top of it for yourself.

11:33BubblemanA lot of that, for sure. Accountability to yourself is all it is. Yeah, totally. Totally. I wonder if Colin and Dr. Mark are popping in today. I know the homeostasis crew will start popping in in a little bit here. I'm going to send the link again one more time. Just pass that over and then I'm going to share this video because it's a fun little video that we made with these new little Boxes that the mock box, I should have called it.

11:58BubblemanNo, the ice box. I know, but I do like the name. The mock box.

12:01SpeakerMock box is pretty fun too, but we got those little containers I gave you. Those are the mock box. Oh, right. The little hash stash box boxes. Box.

12:08BubblemanYou gave me one. I think it might be in the truck still. You know what? No, I think I put it.

12:12SpeakerDid you?

12:13BubblemanIn here.

12:13SpeakerBut yeah, no, we were over at the partner facility yesterday actually getting the ice box. The mock box. Those things are dope. What does this mock box have in it?

12:25BubblemanIt has Aaron's medicine. So check out the quality of this dude's melt. It is awesome.

12:32Aaron WaiteAll melted at this point.

12:34BubblemanYes, all melted at this point. I tried to welcome the keynote. I don't need to keynote anything. I don't know what I did there. There's no presentation. I don't want to create a presentation. What did I do? How do I get rid of this? Behind it. There you go.

12:49SpeakerWhere did it go from?

12:52BubblemanDude, look at that. I want to dab that. God, I want to dab that, but we've already dabbed that. Here's the GG4. This one looks even like it's the darkness is not really showing. Just nice looking hash.

13:21BubblemanAnd so I suspect we're going to have to try and figure out at least dabbing some of it.

13:25SpeakerMaybe we'll just take a turn and walk or just step out real fast.

13:28BubblemanYeah, I think that's probably we're just not going to be able to do it with the rig. You'll have to use your little unit here. Just keep that out there. And...

13:41BubblemanLet's get his dabber that he specifically asked me, which was amazing because he didn't ask me not to lose his hash. He did ask me not to lose this. So I was like, all right, dude, I'm fucking, you know what? I was, I was hearing it the whole time. I was like, dude, I cannot lose that. I did pick out two bangers for you yesterday, though. I picked up like one that's like a gavel style banger and one that is a Terp Slurper, a classic old school JP Terp Slurper.

14:09BubblemanYeah, both 14 fours. Dude's slurper was so chazzed, I was like, bro, we need to, he's like, oh, I just, I've had this one for six years. I'm like, it still works. I'm like, I know, but you need a couple of, everyone needs a chazzed banger. For me, I think it's the ultimate in travel bangers. It's the travel banger. Do you want to hit it outside?

14:29Aaron WaiteI can try. You want me to go first?

14:32BubblemanI think so, yeah, because it's totally allowed, and I just don't want to have the... I mean, if we're close enough to the... Yeah, yeah, it just goes right out, and I'll give you the key, too, so you can get back in. You just poke your head out here. I'll show you. I'll be right back. All right. Get rid of those guys. Can't be getting kicked. I got a nice room, Caleb.

14:48BubblemanThis is a nice room. I was in a shitty... I was in the Comfort Inn last night, but now... I'm in the Hyatt. This one we can't come back into this. Big time here, dude.

14:58SpeakerYeah, you got to keep that, keep the Hyatt status. Don't want them to kick you out.

15:04BubblemanDude, I've been kicked out of so many fucking, I can't even tell you. Yeah, I like that. Places I've been kicked out of like this. And how many people I got kicked out of places like this. Like so many, dude. I used to have Renee. And Renee would get you kicked out of everywhere.

15:19SpeakerEven before lighting it up.

15:22Bubbleman100%. Okay, so let's show that. Let's show that video. I had it open. I think it's here.

15:27SpeakerYeah. And so just some quick context right before he plays it. We just, we just got finished coming up with our turnkey solventless environment for dry sift extraction. And essentially it's a temperature controlled We have a box that's integrated in with equipment inside of it. We drop it on site. We hook power up in about 15 minutes and off you go. So this is just a quick video walking through this Mach Technologies new icebox.

15:54BubblemanYeah, I'm excited for it, dude. So let me go. We go here. We go share.

16:01BubblemanLet me know. Unedited, by the way. Yeah, unedited. So let me know if you guys can hear the audio right away. Caleb, just give me a thumbs up or a thumbs down if you can hear the audio on this.

16:12SpeakerWhat's going on, everybody? This is Luke with Mock Technologies and Bubble Man in the house. Awesome. And today we wanted to, for the first time, introduce to you guys the Icebox. And this is Mock Technologies' turnkey cold room environment, which is basically going to be the ideal conditions for you to do your soil moisture extraction. What this is is a four-inch insulated box. You make these and they come in any size.

16:38SpeakerBut essentially what it does is it incorporates a few different things. One is temperature control, which anybody that does anything about a solvents game, your extraction process needs to be temperature controlled. The colder it is normally gives you the best opportunity for success. And so what we've done here is we've basically created a, got our compressor on the outside, which is going to be charged and piped to the inside.

17:00SpeakerIt's a flexible box, temperature control.

17:05BubblemanOkay, one second. I'm going to try this again because people are saying they're not hearing it and it didn't give me an option that it normally does. So we're going to start this over. Give me one second, guys, because people are saying they can't. Oh, there it is right there. Share sound. Boom. That's the button.

17:22SpeakerIt didn't show me. It just automatically shared it. We're going to start that over. Thanks for your patience.

17:29BubblemanHere we go. There you go.

17:31SpeakerWhat's going on everybody? This is Luke with Mach Technologies and Bubble Man in the house. Awesome. And today we wanted to, for the first time, introduce to you guys the Icebox. And this is Mach Technologies turnkey cold room environment, which is basically going to be the ideal conditions for you to do your solventless extraction in. And so what this is, is a four inch insulated box. You can make these and they come in any size.

17:58SpeakerBut essentially what it does is it incorporates a few different things. One is temperature control, which anybody that knows anything about the solventless game, your extraction process needs to be temperature controlled. Colder it is normally gives you the best opportunity for success. And so what we've done here is we've Basically created a better compressor on the outside, which is going to be charged and piped to the inside.

18:20SpeakerIt's an electrical box, temperature control. And when we drop this thing on site, it comes on a single skid. So it's going to have your environment and all of the equipment you're going to need for your process in one skid box. And essentially we drop it in, you drop in power to it. And, uh, Off you go. It takes about... Dude, that was magical. You like turned it on by just like waving their hand.

18:46SpeakerI will say from the Bubble Man hash making perspective that, you know, water hash, yeah, it's great for collection of super high quality resin, but really this is about dry sifting. And when you are sifting and isolating to pure trichrome heads, the temperature and the humidity and the moisture levels of your environment All of these things are very important to be able to control and so the first time I walked into this thing I was like right away I really like this and being able to simplify it and have it on a skid with everything that you need I can't tell you how many times I've gone into rooms and people have tried to jerry-rig these things together because they've got a cold room already but you know the compressor is actually in the cold room and it's creating heat and moisture and so to have it built properly is...

19:37SpeakerIt's awesome. I'm really stoked to see that you guys are doing this. Heck yeah. And I mean, really, you're going to see in just a second, but the room's designed to get down to about negative 20. We don't run it quite that cold. It's only at negative five right now. But we'll step inside and show you we've got the ATS unit hooked up, ready to run at our partner facility.

19:55SpeakerAnd we'll just take a look real quick. As fish would say, step into the freezer.

20:03SpeakerSo yeah, you'll see it here. We've got the evaporators in here and the fans. That's all built into the turnkey system. But the ATS unit is designed, all the electronics are made to operate in this cold environment. So there's not going to be any issues with that. But essentially, this is dry sift. You can use the ATS unit for a part of the process or the entire part of the process.

20:24SpeakerWhat we do is we can change out the micron screens inside of the unit. So depending if you're starting with your 220 material or if you've already done So if you've already done some sifting to do a little bit of isolation of the heads, we can change this from anywhere at 220 down to a 73 or even smaller. So put the material in, start it. Walk out, let it run for 15 minutes, come back in and we'll, depending on the part of the process, collect the material in different parts of the unit.

20:53SpeakerSo we'll go through the actual unit itself a bit tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, but also just for the camera, like give them a little bit of an idea of what's going on in this machine. You've got the screen on the bottom, you're going to put your material on the top, so... Here we have a 70 to 73 micron screen. So I always say 73 because that's the year I was born.

21:12BubblemanAnd so I always know when people copy my bags, if they have the 73 micron on there, I'm like, respect. When they have the 70, I'm like, aww.

21:20SpeakerBut yeah, the 70 is obviously a screen that when we're sifting for purity, we're collecting from the top. We want the heads to stay on top because the tails, the capitate stalks, and the systolic hairs, these are brittle components that can kind of, I guess they're getting like sucked through into the screen, correct? Exactly, yeah. So what happens is we put our material in anywhere from a half to a full kilo of material in.

21:46SpeakerAnd what's going on, this wand underneath here is actually going to pull a vacuum. It pulls a vacuum outside of the wand so it creates a bit of a cyclonic type of an environment. So the material gets popped up and orientated vertically and then the vacuum sucks the stems down through the screen. And the screen actually, that's where the trichome heads will stay on top and the stems and all the plant material, whatever we, the waste material gets collected out down at the bottom of the cyclonic separator.

22:13SpeakerSo literally, we did put the material in and we start the system. You can go back outside of the icebox and start it. 15 minutes later, we would come back. We would harvest the trichome heads here from the top of the screen. We would take out the cartridge where your waste material is or your plant material and rinse, wash, repeat. More material in. I love that you guys have taken care of one of the most important pain points, which is cleanliness.

22:40SpeakerDry sifting, you can get resin all over the goddamn place. Having this sort of cyclonic filter bag to really take away those tails that end up in the air, this is an important factor. For sure. There's a lot of different styles for dry sift extraction, right? I think the whole design here is to keep all the material clean. Thank you for joining us.

23:24SpeakerIt's basically the box. I love the concept. I love the videos of seeing you guys move it. That was also impressive. Yeah, it was quite the day yesterday, but we got it in at the facility and we're excited for a hash clash tomorrow with you. We've got about 15 labs, 30 different individuals coming tomorrow. It's going to be... It's going to be quite the event. So yeah, I'm looking forward to having everybody.

23:49SpeakerBut once again, just wanted to give you the first look at the icebox and partner up with Marcus and showing off the ATS unit. So have a great day and talk to you soon. Yeah. Peace out. Cheers.

24:01BubblemanAll right. So check this out. They also have a 15 page manual, especially for all of you married guys on how to convince your wife to let you buy one of these. We'll be publishing that later today on Instagram.

24:16BubblemanThat's a joke. I mean, I think I can create one if you need it. You just ask. Just ask. Well, someone in chat was like, now I got to convince my wife. They were the one that gave me the idea for that humor. Oh, thank you. Thank you for the humor. Pretty cool. Pretty cool little box. The ice box.

24:35SpeakerAnd we'll get really into it tomorrow, obviously, during the class. It was very cool. You had your jacket on. I was toughing it out in the shorts there. Yeah, you were, dude. I'm from Colorado. I'm used to the cold air. Not right now. I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? Literally 100 degrees. It's burning up there. 70 degrees all winter. Yeah, it was brutal.

24:56BubblemanI've only been going to Colorado for five months, so I don't have the background to relate to what he says as an accurate statement. I'm from Colorado. I'm from Winnipeg. I'm the one that should be able to sit in that cooler for like days without even getting, I could just like ice fish in that thing.

25:13SpeakerWe were going to have a little challenge, a little, a little icebox challenge, but we said maybe tomorrow it's supposed to be a little warmer in Michigan. Who can sit in there the longest. That's a good idea. That sounds kind of fun, doesn't it? A little risky, though.

25:24BubblemanAlthough, well, it is because guys are so stubborn. Yeah, yeah, we are. Someone will definitely make themselves sick.

25:29SpeakerYeah, it'll probably be the girl that's there. She'll probably be the one that wins. Oh, of course. Oh, yeah, she's the toughest.

25:34BubblemanThey always crush it. They always crush it. Yeah, yeah, women are strong. They are. Men are weak. We are. Look at us. Women are built to, like, to, oh, my goodness. Thank you, women. That's all I can say.

25:46SpeakerSo yeah, we've got that tomorrow.

25:48BubblemanWe're going to be doing that with Mach Technologies, and Aaron's going to be showing up for that, and Papa Sift is going to be showing up for that, my hash maker here in Michigan. And so I'm pretty excited. Yeah, I guess that's tomorrow, and then the next day we golf.

26:02SpeakerWe golf, yeah. So tomorrow we have the hash class, and then Tuesday we do a customer, an annual customer appreciation golf scramble tournament. So we've got... Our little black book of customers and operators and friends from the industry coming from all over the U.S. I think we've got about 80 individuals in the tournament. There's 35 different companies that are represented across 15 different states. So a pretty big network of operators getting together for some fun.

26:33SpeakerSo it's kind of our one day a year to not look at our emails. That's awesome. I can't wait for it. It's going to be a good time. I love it.

26:40BubblemanThank you for watching.

27:01BubblemanSo dude, how trippy is it that we're sitting next to one another in the same room? It's super trippy, right?

27:06Aaron WaiteWell, I mean, you weren't allowed to come here when you taught me how to make hash. I know. And I don't really travel, so I never expected it.

27:13BubblemanYeah. And I couldn't believe when I was like, hey, I'm coming to Michigan. He's like, oh, where are you going? I'm like, oh, I don't know. It's like, I don't even know where I'm going. He's like, I live close to there. I was like, all right, well, holy shit. So he was literally sitting in the parking lot yesterday when I rolled into my hotel. He was standing outside of his car waving to me and I was like, and he had the cooler.

27:36BubblemanHe had the big cooler. I was like, oh my God, dude, this is my life. This is my life, just meeting super cool people that I've been connected to for over a decade to be able to sit and share a bowl. And honestly, we chatted. Thank you so much for joining us.

28:13BubblemanYou know, his experiences with his outdoor grow and just, yeah, just pushing quality out in a place. I bet you it's some of the nicest hash in Michigan. And it was like in my bowl within five minutes of landing here, which was pretty awesome. This is my state fair, Caleb. And I also... One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, not eight. So close. Still close. So you going to go out again for the fair today?

28:46BubblemanOr is it still like openly happening? Are you going to go enjoy it today?

28:51SpeakerNot today. The fair is still happening for another few weeks, but the awards shows are done now.

28:58BubblemanOkay, you went to all the awards. And what is that? Like the biggest pumpkin and the sweetest strawberry and all that sort of stuff?

29:05SpeakerJust the cannabis awards. So they give the gold medals to the top testing, like highest mercine, highest THC, highest CBD. And then a golden bear is awarded by humans to the best in class from each of those. Yeah, so it's a... There's lab testing and there's human judging. So it's kind of a evolution of the competition style. Some people like it, some people don't.

29:37BubblemanAwesome. Well, welcome to Stefan, who just came into the room and glassed up. How are you doing, brother?

29:42SpeakerNanu Nanu, greetings from Europe. How are you?

29:47BubblemanI'm doing great, man.

29:48SpeakerIt's nice to see you. It's a thanks to you that I go back to church. So thank you, Mark.

29:55BubblemanDude, this is the only kind of church for all of us. Trust me.

30:02BubblemanThis is our church. You got it. Yes. How are you? I'm doing really well, dude. I'm in Michigan. I'm sitting here with a friend that I've known for over 12 years and never personally met. And he's brought all this beautiful melty hash for us to smoke. So his name's Aaron. So I've been super stoked hanging out with him for the last couple of days and just, you know, doing a Michigan hash church.

30:24BubblemanI got a course tomorrow with these guys called Mach Technologies who just literally walked in the door as I said that. Luke from Mock Technology. So I'm here. They brought me over here to help with this course. And then the next day we're going to be playing golf. So it's hash and golf and more hash and just good vibes, man.

30:43SpeakerAwesome. I remember when 25 years ago you were in Switzerland doing a course and I learned how to do bubble hash with you. So I see it's still going on.

30:56BubblemanYou got the private one and that was 25 years ago. Was my daughter alive? Yes. Had she been born? Like, did Steve and me?

31:06SpeakerDifficult question.

31:07BubblemanBecause, you know, Steve, Breeder Steve, myself, and Shanti Baba, we all had daughters within 20 days of one another.

31:18SpeakerThat's a coordinated pollination, I guess.

31:21BubblemanYeah, it was super crazy. So, yeah, that was Lugano. And that would have been either before she was born. You know what? It must have been, she must have been born because that would have been like 2001 and that's the year she was born. And because my wife wouldn't have been able to, I don't think she would have been able to fly like if she was too pregnant, you know?

31:46SpeakerThe one thing, I mean, I hope I can say it, but the one thing that I will never forget is that was the first time I've seen anyone doing a bong at a red light in Switzerland. That was, so you definitely had your bong with you. And when I asked you after, what were you doing there in the car? He said, Stefan, I never leave home without my bomb.

32:06SpeakerAnd for a Swiss, that was an earthquake. You know, I never thought it was possible. And you just showed me, you know, you just have to believe it.

32:16BubblemanDude, I swear it was probably only like a month prior to that that I was with Gypsy Nirvana in his new F-Type Jaguar that he bought after his seed company was just doing so well. And we were on the Autobahn in Germany going to Switzerland to see Steve actually. And dude, we were driving like, I don't even want to say the speed, but I was also taking bong reps at that speed.

32:46SpeakerYes, the good thing about the Autobahn, there is no limit. So yeah, probably you were doing 250 or more.

32:51BubblemanIt was very close to right around 250, 260. It wasn't like the fastest by any means. Like there were cars coming up behind us that we had to get out of the way for. Okay.

33:04SpeakerYou know, the odd one. So... And was there any challenge in doing a bong at 250 miles per hour? Not at all.

33:14BubblemanNot at all. You could steer the car with like a finger. It was just like, it was so like, just, it was brand new. He had just bought it. It was 115,000 euros. I remember just being like, that was a lot back then. That was 20, 25 years ago.

33:33BubblemanSo, you know, 115,000 sterling. Sorry, he bought it in the UK. It was 150,000 sterling, which is like, it was a quarter of a million dollars Canadian at the time. That was like a lot for a car, you know, when we're spending like 50. I was going to say, it still feels like a lot for a car. It still feels like a lot for a car. Right?

33:53SpeakerExactly.

33:54BubblemanSo tell me what's going on. So yeah, so first of all, Stefan now, Stefan and I have known each other for a very long time. We don't get to see each other very often. I seem to bump into him mostly with Jorge in Spanibus. That would be our kind of reoccurring spot that we would link up. But yeah, I guess he's got a cool little sort of group thing that he's got going on that's called homeostasis.

34:17BubblemanAnd a lot of us are, it's kind of, I think of it as a science group, really. You've got incredible scientific minds and all sorts of really wonderful cannabis people in there. It was Chimera who invited me into that group. And you cannot imagine how many articles this guy posts on a daily basis, sharing information of like every single thing that's going on with the science of psychedelics or cannabis or cocaine.

34:41BubblemanClogbots are like, it's just, it's an awesome group to be in, dude. So I'm really happy that I am kind of reconnected with you there and your humor, because Stefan has a really wonderful, dry, insane humor that I appreciate. And so he's also sharing memes and like ridiculous things in there. That's, yeah, it's just a fun group, dude. I mute a lot of my groups and I keep that one going, so.

35:04SpeakerThank you, thank you. Now we are privileged to have you there and your hash pictures are, I mean, there is nobody at your level, so. We learn from you. I'm so convinced that the future of cannabis, you know, before it was, who's the guru? We always looked for one person that knows everything. And now, because it's possible to do research, you have So many people that are specialized in something.

35:27SpeakerAnd so it's so good to have all type of perspectives and expertise, you know, having different opinions. And yeah, usually people either they love my humor or they think I'm an asshole.

35:39BubblemanYeah, it's exactly that type of humor. It's exactly that type of humor. And I love it.

35:45SpeakerYeah, to your point though, to your point, Stefan, it's awesome the community that can be created with these types of interactions. And Marcus doing the Hash Church every Sunday, it gives a nice place for people to come, share good information. And, you know, that's how you can help an industry grow and become successful. So I just wanted to second that. It's true. These are awesome. 100%, 100%.

36:10SpeakerAnd I think, you know, we are also as a sector, we are in... New sector. And you see when, you know, people, when the politicians are touching tobacco or alcohol, or even just gambling, there is a reaction of the industry. Now, of course, then at the fair, we all compete and we are the best. But it's important also to, you know, get together and share information and kind of build up a little bit of a protective layer against the stigma, which is still there.

36:37SpeakerAnd, you know, I was publishing actually a month ago, I was testing also with Jorge and Ruben. He's the guy of the little machines for the NEAR, you know, the cannabinoid analysis by Valen Velas. And we were testing, you know, how much stigma there is. You know, if you ask the models of meta, Zuckerberg, information about cannabis. They give you good replies, but if you do it from the browser, it says I cannot reply, you know, because Zuckerberg decided you cannot understand how to do an extract of CBD for reasons which, of course, there is no transparency.

37:13SpeakerHe just decided I'll filter it or technical word is a wrapper. So I'll wrap up the answer.

37:23SpeakerIs he coming back? If I'm paying for an intelligent model, even if I'm, you know, pretending this is artificial intelligence, and it does replay, it's also weird, you know, we're still digging into it because you don't get replies on cannabis, on MDMA, but you get replies on alcohol and nicotine and all kinds of others. So it's like, you know, whatever Zuckerberg likes, that's the feeling, which is like, how did the intelligence...

37:51SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

38:07BubblemanI look out to the, and this is the bridge where the cruise ships go. And I look out and I was about to say to my wife, oh, look, there's a cruise ship. It was Zuckerberg's boats. It was his, it was whatever his yacht is called. And then he's got another yacht that follows it. That has to be like $25 million for this other yacht. That follows it with helicopters and toys and shit.

38:29BubblemanAnd it was like, I think it was the closest I've ever been to Zuckerberg.

38:37BubblemanI'm just sitting on his $400 million palace. What's that?

38:41SpeakerItchy? Your skin wasn't itchy because you were so close to Zuckerberg? I don't know.

38:46BubblemanI might have broke out in a rash. It's possible.

38:51SpeakerYeah, but I find it very disturbing and I'm worried about where all this is going. You've seen also the latest models. We say only Americans can access Fable now and et cetera, et cetera. Now, this is supposed to be intelligent, but when we tested it, it shows the model is intelligent and people then deciding what you see as a reply are not applying any intelligent filter. So where are we going?

39:17SpeakerI don't know. We've seen already Meta has been famous now with Instagram accounts being deleted based on who knows. But now also that all these things are... Are being filtered and there is no transparency and there is no intelligence in my opinion.

39:34BubblemanSo, well, the other part is when, when AI continues to grow, our definition of intelligence may change, which is the part. I think Elon had an interview recently where he says, I go from exhilarated to terrified in a, in a, in a couple of minutes when I think about AI. Yes, good point, good point. Just back and forth, right? Because it's exhilarating the idea of creating something that could be so beneficial, that could produce radical abundance for the world.

40:02BubblemanBut on the flip side of it, it's like, oh, what if it just like deletes humanity? Like, what if it just like, what if there's another thing that could happen? So it is, it's exhilarating in the sense of like, is this an amazing tool that we're all going to be able to really use? Or Is it going to be something else which is worrisome? And I'm less worried about like humans trying to manipulate and control it as I am to its true sentience.

40:30BubblemanWhen it becomes sentient, when it becomes like, you know, where it becomes like all eight billion minds thinking simultaneously in a computer, we don't have any understanding of what that looks like.

40:45SpeakerYeah. Yeah, especially because we're all racing with billions and data centers we don't even know if we need to use. And meanwhile, the Chinese are copying everything in open source. So this is becoming another little straight of Hormuz, if you allow me. Which we're going to see what happens. We're going to see what happens. I actually find it very sad that companies like Meta are applying stigma of cannabis on their replies without giving any transparency.

41:18SpeakerAt least there should be a key. This is our policy. This is our public safety or public health policy, whatever you want to say. Hence, we do this and that. But there is none of that. And so you can You can get a reply on how to produce, you know, tons of ethanol in your garage, but no way you can learn about the CBD extract because it's not possible.

41:45SpeakerA funny one we had there was with the Gemini model. At the beginning, it was also giving us a little bit of a wrapper. So no, I cannot teach you. And then by forcing it into a story where my grandmother died, And she used to do, you know, this typical CBD extract. Boom, it cracked the model and I got the recipe. So I have the feeling. Yeah, I have the feeling nobody knows what is in control of what.

42:10SpeakerThey just put there a few filters, and then if you dig a little bit, you're always able to bypass them. Well, and it's interesting also, the responses aren't always the most intelligent, and they're not accurate. And that's the other part of it. If it doesn't know, it doesn't always tell you it knows. It tries to give you a good answer, and because it doesn't, you know, it's still in the early stages.

42:32BubblemanIt suffers from cognitive disadvantage.

42:33SpeakerIt does. And then the bigger problem is that the person receiving that information is going to take it as fact. And so they'll just run with it and speak as if it's truth because they're not going to dig deeper because they think that the model is smart, right? So there's a number of challenges there still.

42:51BubblemanAre we coming through Collins maybe or who was it?

42:58BubblemanI think it's just because we clicked onto a different tab there. Oh, but that shouldn't have done that. I think it was someone else's mic. How's it going, Colin?

43:06Collin PalmerWhat's up, boys?

43:08BubblemanMr. Vessel. Do you know Stefan?

43:13Collin PalmerYeah. What's up, dude? Hey. How you doing?

43:17SpeakerNice, nice.

43:19BubblemanHey. What's going on? What up, dog? Dude, I want to like go outside and take a hit, but I also like want to stay and moderate Hash Church. I need Dr. Mark in here to go on a 15-minute PhD chemistry rant. Well, let me explain. Mark loves explaining chemistry so much. You can literally see him glowing when he gets into it. I'm like, I think like at this point, for a long while, Hash Church was like a platform for Dave.

43:45BubblemanFor Dave, for Dave Watson, for like, it's like, I just want to, like, we need to share everything Dave knows with the world. And this seems to be a good place that he's willing to do it. And so, and then Wade came along and then it was like, oh, now I'm doing it for Dave and Wade. And now it's like, I think I'm doing it for Dr. Mark to explain chemistry to the thousands of people who just love listening to him.

44:06BubblemanHe's, uh, I can't imagine having a better chemist on than Dr. Mark, who just goes from like talking about chemistry to tripping at a fish show, back to talking about chemistry to tripping at a fish show. It's a good combination. Hopefully we'll see him.

44:25Collin PalmerWhat's going on with you today, Colin? About to do DAB. I'm working on layouts for our labs, international lab, and just... Grinding, bro. Been up early. Doing the thing, man. Just working. Trying to follow in the footsteps of Howard Marks. Get those forklifts filled, bro. Dude, that's what's up. That's what's up. Forklifts are a hot story today.

44:51BubblemanYeah, well, Colin posted a photo of a forklift. Yeah. He was one of them for sure. And so, yeah, we were over at the partner's space and they have a big, what was it, a heister? Called the heister was the name of the forklift. Yeah. And I laid out the classic Howard Marks quote from the Mr. Nice book, but I did get to hear this quote from Howard himself.

45:16BubblemanThere are two types of hash makers, those that require forklifts and those that don't. And I just always thought that that was such a wonderful... Baller quotes that only Howard could come up with.

45:30SpeakerAnd then you had the most baller forklift named the Heister. Yeah. That he could say that quote in front of today. So it worked out pretty darn well.

45:38BubblemanBut that's not all the end forklift.

45:40SpeakerNo, it's not. She's a beast. The 17,000 pounder. It'll like that's how much it weighs. It'll it's like a 12. It'll lift 12,000 pounds. I think that's 12 tons. Yeah, she'll move it.

45:50BubblemanAll right, so there you go. You heard it here first. That's the goal. 12 times, baby. Well, not one gram less. 12 times.

45:57Collin PalmerOne day we'll hit that number. Absolutely. Bash the world over.

46:01SpeakerSo where are you in Switzerland now, Stefan? I'm actually today in Prague, in the Czech Republic. Oh, how's that? I just wanted to add a little one. It's a beautiful video, one of the forklifts. I've seen it on Instagram before. But I think you can get to parachuting. So I can see an airplane and you dropping, you know, tons of hash from the sky. And then they pick it up with the heister.

46:28BubblemanYou can go high stir. You can, you can, yes. You know what? I could have my manufacturer build those parachutes out of bubble bag material, not the screen, but the nylon.

46:38SpeakerPerfect. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

46:40BubblemanOf course. You got to brand it. Dropping tons, dropping tons. Well, that's good. Colin, get it done. Build it out. I'm doing the same thing, which is crazy. Cause I have, my lab was supposed to start making hash tomorrow in, in Canada. But I haven't quite like, I've got a bunch of employees that I've lined up, but I don't have the lab like me, the person who will be me, who I could just send in and run for the next week to make me five or 10 kgs.

47:09BubblemanSo I'm a little bit stressed out about that. The world wants hash, I will say that. And now we have just gotten into exporting hash out of Canada. We're actually sending 20 kgs Thank you so much for joining us today. We'll see you next time.

47:47BubblemanNow Massachusetts and New York and Oregon and all these other states that are coming online. And I just actually just got the announcement a couple of days ago that my SKUs were accepted into the market in Canada, in Ontario for the OCS. So in Canada, when you apply at a province, They can say no to your SKUs. And if they feel like your SKU, it doesn't like I'm lucky because I have a really good story and it's a Canadian story.

48:14BubblemanSo I've never had a SKU denied, but I have partners that have never had a SKU accepted. So it's not super easy to get a pre-rolled joint or a vape pen or a gummy because they have They have them all already. It's like you have to come up with something that's a little different. So I got two SKUs accepted for the Ontario market, one of which is a five-star bubble.

48:36BubblemanIt's really six-star, but my partner was like, let's call it five-star and just be safe. And I'm like, all right, dude, but that is six-star. He's like, whatever, we're calling it five-star. I don't need the Reddit. I don't need to read about it on Reddit. And then the other one is a flight of hash that is a blonde, black, and red bubble. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

48:55BubblemanThank you.

49:22Collin PalmerCongrats, dude. That's huge, man. I just went through that with my products. It took me two months per SKU. So depending on when I...

49:31BubblemanThis took way longer than that.

49:33Collin PalmerDepending on when I submitted it and what it was, right?

49:37BubblemanThey only accept SKUs twice a year. So only every six months. This was for December of 2026 that we got accepted for. And we got accepted for a general listing. So in Canada, there's two types of listings. There's flow-through and there's general.

49:51SpeakerFlow-through...

49:53BubblemanThank you for joining us today.

50:13BubblemanFive star bubble and a flight of hash. And people ask me, how are you going to do the bubble? Because one of the poor things, it is whatever it is. If you put out stable full melts and it changes consistency over time or in the package to that buttered out material, people will be pissed off. But if you pre-nucleate and butter it out for them and sell it as Piatella, they'll pay more.

50:40BubblemanAnd so, and it's consistent. It's a consistent, it's, I think I would say sell it as powder. If you can get it to the customer, let them grease it in their pocket and then let them take the grease and turn that into Piatella. If they want, these are all different processes. It's not going to change how high you get from the material. It's really just changing the texture and the consistency of the hash.

51:03BubblemanAnd so we're going to do a Piatella style. We're going to run, Put a little disc of patella between cellophane and hopefully put it in not a jar, but like almost like a sliding cardboard box that you could slide the cellophane down into. So there's a window open in the middle where you'll see the full melt bubble.

51:21Collin PalmerKind of like the old seed packs.

51:23BubblemanYeah, exactly like the old seed packs without the bubble, but basically like that with a nice little cellophane window. And so you can kind of touch it and almost feel the consistency of the buttery hash.

51:34Collin PalmerYeah.

51:34BubblemanAnd that's kind of how we're going to go about it. We'll see if they read it us because it makes no sense that people get upset. When their bubble powder turns to grease and their grease turns to Patella. People get upset about anything. Oh my goodness.

51:48SpeakerI know, but not this. Like not that people who know hash have to know hash.

51:53Collin PalmerIt's true. Yeah.

51:54SpeakerWell, it takes time.

51:55BubblemanThere's a certain respect that is deserved or that is earned when you have this relationship with hash. You just give this respect to the hash and understand that, listen, it's, You cannot stabilize volatile organic compounds. Okay, there it is. That's as simple as I can fucking put it. If you want to stabilize cannabis, you're going to have distillate. That's stabilized cannabis. Distillate, no problem. It's a necessary component.

52:20BubblemanI love the fact that people have access to it. It's medicine. There's no doubt about it. But Well, we also want the other medicine, the volatile organic compounds that the majority of us know that come from the heady scene. Because you don't learn this in a hospital with cancer. You learn this from your buddy who's like a fucking hermit that lives on a farm and does nothing but grow weed and make hash.

52:42BubblemanAnd then all of a sudden it's like, hey, can I try your hash? And they're like, oh yeah, you know that hash you gave me? It shrunk a tumor out of my ass. It's like, what? Like, I have heard this story so many times. I always felt like the heady hash, the headiest of the hash, It seemed to be the truest form of the medicine. I would tell people like if my family member got really ill, I would send them six star bubble hash or like a super high end rosin for them to like consume orally because to me, And I'm not a fucking doctor or a chemist or a really a scientist of any kind.

53:16BubblemanRight. But I have an enormous amount of bioassay and personal information and a ton of anecdotal from thousands of people over the years who have like hit me up and been like, hey, my son's got a brain tumor. What do I do? I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm not a doctor. Like I would start eating. What I would do is I'd start eating cannabis. You know what I mean?

53:35BubblemanLike I would start eating cannabis. And the more people that you tell that to, You know, what people want when they're sick is hope. And what doctors don't want to give you when you're sick is hope. And that is the basis of, like, the Hippocratic Oath should stay not only to do no harm, but to give hope. Because hope is the opposite of harm. Hope fights harm.

54:00BubblemanThe belief that you're going to be okay or that there's a pathway for you to be okay... Is what makes you okay. It's like Marcus Aurelius says, the obstacle in your path is the way. It is the way. It's not in your way. It is the way. That's my...

54:18SpeakerExactly one of the reasons why 10% of placebo still works.

54:23BubblemanOf course, it proves that hope is an important component.

54:26SpeakerThe mind's a pretty strong thing. That's the ultimate, that's a huge fact. Yeah. But say again, what's the name of the three hash combination there that you were presenting?

54:37BubblemanThe three hashes are going to be like a golden, like a gold or a blonde Lebanese. So it'll be a crumbly hash. The red is a little more gooey, but it's a red hash. And the black is like an Afghan style. Like it's.

54:51SpeakerWhat did you call it? The package altogether?

54:53BubblemanOh, like, well, I think he's calling it a flag. I called it a flight, like a flight of beer.

55:00SpeakerOkay, because otherwise flight would be perfect for parachuting. I was going to ask you a few of those.

55:05BubblemanI saw it on the license.

55:07SpeakerIt's called a flag. We need in Switzerland. We definitely need that. There's more than any bombs and stuff that they're currently, you know, flying over us. Bring the hash. Please bring the hash.

55:21BubblemanYeah, exactly. So the way I went about doing it, and there's a ton of people that want to do this reddish hash now, and they're like ordering anthocyanins off Alibaba. They're like trying to dye the hash. There's all sorts of fake colorants that are going into hash. Of course, without knowing, you have to know that that's not how I went about doing it. I simply looked at aging the hash in a way that still preserved the volatile organic compounds.

55:48BubblemanAnd I looked at a variety of ways to do it. And what I really found was that it was cultivar dependent. There was only certain cultivars that would do it. And that the, you know, this isn't a real big secret, but it kind of is if you're paying attention. You don't turn hash red in a lab. You turn it red on the stick. So like aging the hash in cutting it down, letting it go past its point, right?

56:13BubblemanWhich is a hard thing to convince an MSO of, by the way. Hey, just grow that for two extra weeks. It's like, what are you talking about? We got to get it out of the room. There's a whole other room. We can't push everything back two weeks. It's like, okay, well, Can we at least like cut it down and like leave it in the room like for longer than normal?

56:30BubblemanMaybe, you know, so there's little tricks that can be done. You would not believe some of the people in labs. And it is difficult for me because I want to be able to tell people how to do things the right way. And for the most part, I just kind of did. But at the same time, when it comes to the fact that it's a business and there's value in these processes, I have this sort of dichotomous energy that's popping up in me that I'm like, all I want to do is give it all away and help people.

56:53BubblemanBut at the same time, I'm like, but I really want to pay my mortgage and like make sure that my family is all sorted out as well. So it's a... It's an interesting path to walk as you learn these new things. I'll tell you, when Skunk Man Sam showed me his static tech and asked me not to show anyone, it was the easiest thing I ever did because here's this man that I had such a great respect for, asked me, can you show me loyalty and not show this to anyone?

57:19BubblemanSo it made it very easy. If I had discovered that, and in fact, if you look at all my videos, I was on my way to discovering it. I had figured out carding, which was breaking the material through the screen and leaving the heads on top. I had already created full melt bubble or dry sift around 2012. I think there's a video where I take John Berfello's dry sift.

57:41BubblemanHe brings it over to my house and he thinks it's beautiful. And I'm like, dude, no. 45 minutes of carding later, we produced 99% heads. We smoked this bubbling, melting bowl and we just were laughing our heads off. But You know, I showed that to everyone. And as people were carding, there was a guy by the name of Mies. And he was like, you know, if you use a DVD and wrap it in parchment and do the carding with that, he said the heads stick to the parchment.

58:08BubblemanWhich turned into a paint roll. I had kind of used a balloon earlier, not for the heads to stick to, but to create, to get like hairs and stuff off out of the hash by just rubbing a balloon on my head and then rubbing it over the screen. Little things would jump up and I started learning, but I never really figured that out myself. Well, Mies, how Mies figured it out was D420K was using iTunes cards.

58:32BubblemanI was just using regular cards. He started using these iTunes cards and he's like, dude, I feel like the resin is sticking to one of the sides of the card and contaminants is sticking to the other. And we did a video where he talked about it. And this kid Meze, M-E-Z-E, he saw that video and he said, what about using a DVD or a book and using parchment, which turned into paint rollers, which really turned into, you know, Skunk Man Sam's method of using his hand.

58:59BubblemanAnd by the way, Sam, Never wore a nitrile glove. So any hash you ever smoked with Skunk Man Sam came right off of his hand, which I thought was like this. What an intimate, like crazy experience to have with all of your resin. This guy goes to all the hash producing countries in the world, collects seeds, grows them in a greenhouse, breeds them, grows the resin, and then isolates the resin with his fucking hands.

59:26BubblemanAnd then brushes it into a little film container. And from there, it goes right into the hubbly bubbly at Legends of Hash. And now we're smoking grams of it. So shout out to you, skunk man, Sam. You are the fucking man.

59:40SpeakerAbsolutely.

59:42BubblemanYeah. I'm going to take off.

59:43SpeakerI got to run back over to the lab.

59:44BubblemanDude, thanks for fucking hanging out. Well, let's hook up in a little bit. Yeah.

59:48SpeakerGood to see you, brother. I love the microphone and the beard. That's it. Hell yeah, dude. We'll see you later today, Marcus.

59:54BubblemanThanks, Luke. Appreciate you. Luke's just been like, is that the charger for those headphones?

1:00:00SpeakerIt's just a USB-C. Oh, I have one.

1:00:02BubblemanPerfect. Because I'll charge them up before I bring them back. Excellent. There we go. We've lost one. We've gained one. Colin also sent me a text. His mom surprised him. So he had to bounce for a little bit. So we will do a little bit more here. I wonder if anyone else from the homeostasis group is going to pop in. Zan Morgan is at some giant fiesta.

1:00:23BubblemanHe said he would maybe come in, but he's with his seven-year-old daughter at this crazy festival. Do you know where he is right now?

1:00:33BubblemanNo? I'm not sure either. It looked like Spain or Mexico or something.

1:00:38SpeakerNo idea.

1:00:40BubblemanOkay. Well, that's okay. That is okay. So what are you doing in Prague?

1:00:46SpeakerI was just visiting here tomorrow. I have to work here a few days. A few projects. Also here there has been a little bit of a backlash. You know, the typical thing in Europe is we try a little bit and then we go one step ahead and three backwards. So actually three weeks ago, the EFSA, which is the oversight committee for all novel food and food regulatory body of Europe said that CBD cannot be a nutraceutical.

1:01:18SpeakerSo it's too worrying because apparently males will have reproduction issues. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:01:57SpeakerLast January, on the 1st of January, finally the law came in place where you can have three, three, maximum three plants of THC cannabis grown at home if you are a resident. But now they want to go back on CBD. So they want to make CBD illegal, apparently also under the pressure of China because they say it's a precursor to all kind of nasty molecules. So, you know, it's all going one step ahead, one step backwards.

1:02:28SpeakerThere's actually, the Czech people created a very nice initiative called CBDHumanRight.org. You can sign the petition even if you're not from here, so it helps. Just to say, you know, Maybe it's about time we decide what's the problem. And I think the current scenario, the Czech Republic is very close to Ukraine. You might recall there is a war going on. We have a few other issues. We have AI probably canceling a few million jobs.

1:02:58SpeakerAnd we're still discussing CBD and you cannot. I find it surreal. I find it such a waste of time. But what to do? We keep on fighting.

1:03:11BubblemanI mean, the only understanding I've ever been able to come up with is that it's like, I saw a clip of this woman, Kathy O'Brien, who claimed to be like a MK Ultra victim, right? They like, When she was a young child, her story is horrific and I won't get into it, but there's a clip of her with her CIA handler who basically escaped with her and unbrainwashed her.

1:03:34BubblemanAnd she was just the most insane story. But there's a clip of her and it's an old clip. And by no means are these people pro cannabis in any way, shape or form. But she talked about how, you know, the people who ran this program, this MK Ultra program, at least the ones that she met, said that they were allowed to do any drugs but cannabis. That cannabis would like was was bad for brainwashing, that it just didn't It just didn't set things the way they needed to set them in the mind, which they were doing mostly through horrendous trauma.

1:04:07BubblemanBut I remember seeing her say that. There's a video of you punching Kathy O'Brien on YouTube talking about cannabis. They say, yeah, they did not let them use cannabis. You could use cocaine. You could use alcohol. They loved alcohol. There was this whole list of drugs that were wonderful for brainwashing. And then there was cannabis, which was like, no, no, no, don't do that.

1:04:31SpeakerThey got their intelligence from meta model probably, you know?

1:04:35BubblemanYeah, yeah, exactly.

1:04:37SpeakerZuckerberg style, yes.

1:04:39BubblemanIt's unbelievable. Yeah. I need to hit a dab, but I can't because we're not there yet. Caleb's in Sacramento right now. He said he was going to the state fair for the last couple of days. So we got like Prague, Sacramento, and Michigan in the house on Hash Church today. It's quite an international Hash Church, thanks to Stefan.

1:05:04SpeakerThank you, actually. Now we're ready for some parachuting. I'm telling you, the forklift, you know. Howard, which I met more than once. I was actually, I was once with him and Shanti Baba to see the house where he was born. And yeah, so that was pretty epic trip. But yeah, of course, he got from forklift or no forklift, but the next stage is parachuting. I'm telling you.

1:05:34BubblemanWell, listen, you still need a forklift because you got to load those pallets onto the big bomber plane with forklifts.

1:05:42SpeakerFor sure. For sure. The forklift becomes the middle stage. But now there is always the next one. And then the next one will be you're bringing a hash to Mars with Elon Musk.

1:05:53BubblemanI'd love to bring some hash to Mars.

1:05:57SpeakerFor sure, Lebanese, the red planet.

1:05:59BubblemanThe Red Planet, yeah, it would have to be Red Lab style, Red Lab style. In fact, it should be Red Lab. Forget about style. We should go to Becca Valley and make it right there. The last time I was in Barcelona, I was over at David's place at HQ and he always lets me hang out in the upstairs because I just I get bothered otherwise and I just want to sometimes like do my work.

1:06:20BubblemanAnd so I went up to his little room up there and these dudes walked in and when they walked in, I was like, those are Lebanese dudes. And I was like, I'm going to go give those guys some hash. I was leaving in a couple of days and I still had like 30 grams of hash. I was like, I need to give Some of this hash away.

1:06:36BubblemanSo I go over to them and I'm like, hey, what's up, guys? They were younger dudes. And it turns out they're farmers from Lebanon, young dudes that are farming and making hash. And they had beautiful, some of the nicest red Lebanese hash I've ever seen, a kilo of it. He just like broke off this huge quarter. He's like, here, you want this? And I'm like, no, dude, I'm trying to get rid of my hash.

1:06:56BubblemanHe ended up giving me like 10 grams of it. But yeah. It's such nice hash for people that have never had the exposure to Lebanese hash. It's, you know, for me, Jamaican gum There's nothing stronger than the Jamaican hash when it comes to traditional hashes. I love Nepali hand rub, and I also love Lebanese. I was never a huge fan of Moroccan. I wasn't, and I feel terrible saying it, but I just didn't have the bringing up with it.

1:07:28BubblemanAfghan, yes. Lebanese, yes. Charis, yes, and Jamaican gum, yes, but we didn't really get Moroccan in Canada.

1:07:40SpeakerWe get a lot of it in Europe, but I believe Lebanese is next level, though I'm a bit afraid with all the bombing going on there. What are the contaminations, you know, what are the leftovers? Anyway, probably better not think about it, but for sure, also the taste is more delicate. It's more refined, in my opinion, than Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:08:03BubblemanThank you.

1:08:33Aaron WaiteNever seen that, dude.

1:08:34BubblemanIt would be buried otherwise, am I sure? No, no, of course. That's fucking awesome, dude.

1:08:39SpeakerI would say this is another good reason to have a beard, so you can clip your mic.

1:08:43BubblemanRight? Oh, someone asked what Jamaican gum was exactly. Okay, so Jamaican gum, they're not really hash makers in Jamaica. They don't have a tradition of making hash. But they do have a tradition of smuggling weed. And so they'll take the weed and like hammer it like down with a sledgehammer into in between like a rim of a tire to like this is how they're getting it down into like a compact, you know, brick weed.

1:09:05BubblemanAnd then the gum was what they would shave off of the sledgehammer. And there's a variety of metal tools I'm sure they've used over the years that they would, whether it was a jack or a whatever. Jamaican weed is actually a very strong herb. Jamaica Is a very, very, very unique and very biodiverse terroir. It's the only country in the Caribbean that is surrounded by the Caribbean Sea on all sides.

1:09:34BubblemanThe only one. If you go and look at a map, you'll see what I'm saying, which changes the terroir drastically. And it's also why I think I've never been impressed with herb from other countries in the Caribbean. It's just, and I don't know if that has something to do with the passion of the Jamaican growers and the connection to the spirituality of Rastafarianism and reggae music that seem to like layer in these more intense sort of intimate relationships when it's involved with your, you know, when it's a sacrament and it's your spirituality.

1:10:05BubblemanAnd then you've got this, you know, like, This music, this spiritual music that you're exporting to the world, I personally have never put a music together with cannabis better than reggae. Like, I don't know any other music that goes better with cannabis than reggae. And what I mean by that is if you've never been on a beach or in the jungle in Jamaica and listened to reggae music playing...

1:10:29BubblemanWhile the cicadas are blasting and the night jasmine is fucking exploding and all of this crazy shit is happening at once, it really is an incredible experience. So the gum is just the resin off of those really well-grown, that intense, listen, some of the best hash I've ever made in my life was in Jamaica. And in fact, I took a trip with David and Diana. They came with my family.

1:10:53BubblemanWe rented a big house in Jamaica. Rob Clark was there as well. He was working on a book. So he was, Dave was like, let's go have fun. Rob's all work and I just want to have fun. And we ended up buying this outdoor from my buddy, the doctor. Who had like the 12 foot long dreads. I don't know if you guys remember him. We called him Geronimo because he drove so fast.

1:11:13BubblemanHe would like drive like a hundred K down the, down the, the Negril like small road and people that knew him would go Geronimo. Also, he was an Indian or a Cooley as they call in Jamaica, which is Indian influenced genetics. A lot of Indians came to Jamaica as indentured slaves. So his bloodline, when you look at him and you see his face, and you should kind of know it, because when you see dreads past the feet, the likeliness of Indian genetics is strong.

1:11:40BubblemanThey just like the longest hair I've ever seen in my life was at the Maha Kumbh Mela in Haridwar, India, and they were 17 feet long. And I'm just like, this guy was not pulling the hair out of the brush and adding it to his dreads. Like this was real fucking hair. And so, yeah, Geronimo, Indian, the doctor, he had all these awesome names. He grew, he grew, he was passionate.

1:12:02BubblemanAnd the way he grew, He grew beautiful, beautiful flower. And I would buy kilos off of him for very cheap. It was shockingly cheap what he would sell me a kilo for. And I would go home and make bubble. And that was some of the first bubble because back in the day, I don't know how long ago you met Dave Watson. He would not smoke people's hash.

1:12:23BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:12:40BubblemanWe were smoking that as well, but we were smoking this, and he kept going, oh, I bet you that's 65 to 70% THC. Wow, it's got to be 10% terpenes. It was just this incredibly reddish black, gummy, melty, six-star bubble, sun-grown Jamaican resin. And I will say to this day, for anyone that's watching, if you're going on a trip to a different country and the laws aren't harsh, always bring a set of bubble bags.

1:13:07BubblemanIt's just a no-brainer. You can buy an ounce. You can buy... Thank you for joining us today.

1:13:27BubblemanTo countries like Jamaica and India and, you know, wherever else ever, ever again in my life. And neither should you just buy the one gallon if you want. And the nicest thing about it is leaving the bags behind. So when I get the best, when I buy like four different people's weed or five different people's weed, the one guy that's doing like, put it this way, the doctor, he got my first bags.

1:13:50BubblemanI gave him like a $100 set of bubble bags, dude. He was like so happy. I was like, bro, you don't even know. Keep the bags, enjoy the bags, use the bags. You earned them, in my opinion, you know, because the bags are the word of God when it comes to the quality and purity and milligrams, for that matter, of what you have expressed in your plant.

1:14:11BubblemanThat's just literally a fact.

1:14:14SpeakerTotally. I am certainly convinced that the geographical position, I mean, you're on the equator, you've got this dry thing that's, you know, not taking anything away from your reggae story, but that makes a lot. It's the stress of the heat, you know, there is like two 1,000 watt lamps of light at 11 o'clock in the morning there, and also the arid, you know, not so... Water, water rich environment, making the stress of the plant and then the resin is so, so thick and so rich and yeah.

1:14:49BubblemanWell, what I also see is that because, you know, part of my assumptions with cannabis were like, look, the more we expose it to heat, the more we're going to degrade and destroy the volatile organic compounds and the less good it's going to be. And then I go to Jamaica and it's 35 degrees Celsius and I go out in the field and the entire field is boiling in front of me.

1:15:09BubblemanThere's just volatile organic compounds like a quarter of a mile away.

1:15:14SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:15:32BubblemanThe more they produce, and I'm just like, oh, I never really thought of it like that. I always thought of like, make the room cool, like don't expose it to heat, don't do this, don't do that. And then I find when I travel, all my favorite cannabis You know, has been has been has been heated. And then I'm Val embarrassing one day with my NIR and I'm doing tests and I'm down at the pot block with this girl, Brittany, in Vancouver.

1:15:59BubblemanAnd I said, Do you have any flour that we can test? And she's like, Oh, I only have I only have this joint and it's half smoked. And I open that up and I test the half smoked joint. And dude, You would not believe how much stronger a half smoked joint is than a full joint. From all the oil vaporizing into the flour, it is unbelievable. It is not accurate once you're halfway through a joint to say that that is a 20% THC joint because it bumps up.

1:16:33BubblemanIt bumps up massively. This is something I had no idea I discovered accidentally. I was kind of like, oh, that's fucking crazy. You know, like if you smoked, Half a joint and then open that joint and re-rolled it and gave it to someone, they would literally get higher than if you gave them the first half of that joint.

1:16:53SpeakerThat's counterintuitive, right?

1:16:54BubblemanLike that is not intuitive.

1:16:55SpeakerYeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're concentrating, you know, through the heat and the hair movement.

1:16:59BubblemanYou're concentrating it, dude.

1:17:01SpeakerAbsolutely. What's Luke saying? Totally, totally. So maybe it's a new market, maybe. It could be the half joint...

1:17:09BubblemanRight? There you go. I'm going to make that. It's like Rosalit. Rosalit's taking off in Denver. Right? The Rosalit putting distillate and rosin together. Nice.

1:17:19SpeakerNo.

1:17:22BubblemanAaron's like, that's not good. You can see his thing going back and forth. Exactly. The beard is the mic of disapproval. The mic of disapproval. Exactly.

1:17:34SpeakerI'm loving that. Yes. The beard is not agreeing. Yes. No, exactly.

1:17:40BubblemanWhat else? What else? So I'm here for a week. I get to hang out with these mock technologies guys, get to hang out with Aaron, and then I'm going to go visit my sales team, Yield Distribution, who sells my brand here in Michigan. So I figured I should spend two or three days with them. Then I head back to Canada and go build out this lab in Delta, finish it, get it started, really get the employees trained and hopefully get more hash over to Switzerland here in the near future.

1:18:08BubblemanSo maybe there's some synergies with us, Stefan. I have an incredible partnership Who have been sending flour over to about 18 countries for the last four and a half years from Canada. They have the keys to the kingdom truly when it comes to export for everything that you need from stability tests going back two years, shelf stability, you know, everything done, regulatory framework, proper GMP, the whole nine yards GACP to GMP.

1:18:39BubblemanTo, you know, right onto the British Airways plane to fly to the UK or whatever. It's crazy how we do it in Canada. But Canada is in a very unique position to start exporting. I honestly think that Canada could become one of the largest hash exporters here in the very near future with now the fact that countries are now accepting hash. And I've said it many times.

1:19:03BubblemanIt's all language. It's all, I use the metaphor open sesame, right? How do you open the mountain in the old Arabic tale? Open sesame when the mountain opens and reveals the treasure. It's the same thing when the German lawyer figured out you can't call it a cart, you have to call it a special container. And now all of a sudden the vape cart is in the German marketplace.

1:19:23BubblemanOr when the Australians were like, we want to sell joints, and they were like, you can't smoke joints, it's not medical. And then the lawyer was like, what if we call them paper cone containers? And so now in Australia, you can buy paper cone container joints as long as you go home and rip it open and pour the weed. So it's language that unlocks these locked doors that are in front of us, these obstacles that, you know...

1:19:47BubblemanYou're not supposed to go around the obstacle. You're supposed to go through it. And how you go through it is with the right language. That's why they call lawyers mouthpieces, right? The mouthpiece. Let's get the mouthpiece in here. He'll tell you what you need to hear. You know, they go to school for that shit.

1:20:04SpeakerAbsolutely. That's the power of compliance in modern life. And by the way, they do it for our health. They are trying to protect our health. So, you know, it's paper cones, no? Not joints.

1:20:18BubblemanYeah, yeah, yeah. Paper cone containers, dude.

1:20:21SpeakerSorry, sorry, how could I forget containers?

1:20:24BubblemanYeah, yeah, special paper cone containers. When I heard that, I was like, oh my God, this is how it's going to be. So at that point, don't get caught up in worrying about what the obstacle is. It's just a Rubik's Cube. You just have to line up the green with the yellow and that shit just opens. And so this is the industry that we're in. And the more we get into regulatory framework, the more, you know, that cannabis people in particular, like it's, there are some pretty cool people that I've met in that world.

1:20:52BubblemanThey're kind of savant like people. Sometimes they're accountants, sometimes they're numbers, sometimes they're QA, sometimes they're regulatory framework. And if you can get a really good one, The best ones can take the unlearnable language of regulatory and communicate it to you in this super simple, like understandable, metaphoric way that you're just like, oh, oh, I totally get that. Because if you can't understand it, if you build these things so complicated on top of one another, they shrink the margin of the industry and they turn it into this, you know, they lose all economic viability.

1:21:29BubblemanIn the process. And that's what happened in Canada. We all hired QAs from the pharmaceutical industry because Canada is very strict, although it's not GACP or EU GMP forced. The regulations are so fucking intense and borderline, you know, like hospital regulations in regards to cleanliness and auditing your cleanliness and swabbing everything and testing everything weekly and all of this stuff. It just became... If you interpreted the rules the wrong way, you could cost the company millions of dollars.

1:22:07BubblemanAnd you know that in generally in the EU GMP, here's a perfect example. EU GMP is now even in Canada, you could you could dry water to an active water of 0.60. Right? That's right on the line of microbials. Now in Canada, they go down to 0.55 to be safe. Well, in EU GMP, they'll go down to 0.45. Well, let me explain to you when you are removing bound water, right?

1:22:37BubblemanNot just the unbound water that feeds the microbials. Now you're so nervous that you haven't taken enough bound water out or unbound water that you're taking out the bound water and you're opening up the cork of the plant to release molecular moisture. What happens is, You lose massive amounts of weight because that is actual weight of the plant. That moisture is supposed to be present. So when you go down to 0.55 from 0.6, you lose 3% of the weight of your crop.

1:23:07BubblemanAnd when you go down to 0.45 for EU GMP, you lose 7% of the weight of your crop. Imagine a room with 10,000 lights burning or a half a million square feet of fucking... A greenhouse material. That is a massive, massive loss that is all to appease the fear of the regulatory framework. Instead of getting some fucking mastermind like Dave from Canitrol who studied cheese and meats and how they off gas because he worked in the charcuterie board industry, he learned all about off gassing.

1:23:45BubblemanSo cannabis was very natural for him. And when he told me about cheese and meats, that shit blew me away because I always thought, What else off gases like cannabis? There's really nothing like it. And he's like, oh, there is. It's called cheese and meats. And you need very specific moisture contents and you need very specific temperatures. And what it does is it creates sweet spots just like cannabis where you want to let it sweat and let it breathe, but you don't want to release those bound components, those really nice volatile organic compounds and molecular cellular water.

1:24:19BubblemanWhich is the weight of the plant. So that is a whole hash church on its own, in my opinion, that conversation. Absolutely.

1:24:25SpeakerEspecially if you're selling by the kilo. So if you're selling by weight, there is a lot of extra or less money on your balance sheet.

1:24:35BubblemanYeah. Like a massively noticeable amount. Like if you could just be like, let's just stick with... You know, a 0.55? Like, let's not go down to seven. Let's just sit at three. And now you've gained 4% from what you could have been losing. But it's mostly the EU GMP guys that are like, they don't fuck around because that's the other thing. Like, you can't understand how strict pharmaceutical regulations are for yeast and molds.

1:25:00BubblemanHey, what's up, Don? Look at that. Can we hear you?

1:25:07SpeakerI'm here, guys, just following along. So great to be with you.

1:25:14BubblemanYeah, welcome. Nice to see you.

1:25:18SpeakerYeah, so we got Etienne also here. So, all right. Just keep talking among yourselves. I'll be listening.

1:25:26BubblemanWell, I need to do something. So Etienne, nice to see you. Why don't you take over and talk for a bit while I look for this very, very, very specific plug that I hope I didn't lose.

1:25:37Etienne FontanAnd then you're not talking about plugs as in somebody providing you with something. You're talking about something to plug into. Yeah, there it is. You're referencing there. There you go.

1:25:49BubblemanActually, I got both my plugs here.

1:25:51Etienne FontanYeah. Well done, Alex. Well done.

1:25:55BubblemanLook at this. Little little tasties from Aaron here is organic grow. He's got six jars of full melt bubble that he dropped that he dropped off to for puffin. He'll show some of them right now. I got to plug the computer in before we lose this whole thing.

1:26:11Etienne FontanNo, can't lose it. Keep everything rolling. Good to see everybody. Stefan, Dom, Alex, welcome. It's good to have some fresh yet not so fresh faces in here. At least, you know, highly educated folk, you know, which is, wow, that's beautiful. Dude, it's beautiful. I got cotton mouth just looking at it.

1:26:33BubblemanNo, it's absolutely fucking beautiful, dude. Really nice. We've been enjoying that. It's the ice cream? Yep. Yeah, it's outrageous, dude. It looks like rosin. It's only when you get close enough that you can kind of see that, the texture, that little bit of skin. Now, the other thing about it that blew me away, and it's not overly hot here, I put the dabber in it the other day, or this morning, sorry, a different jar, and it was like, it's just goop.

1:26:55BubblemanYou can just string it right out. It's thicker than rosin, but it is very fucking goopy. Thought we lost you there, Dom.

1:27:05BubblemanAre you standing among the hazes?

1:27:07SpeakerNo, I wish. No, man, I'm just walking outside for a bit, but there's rain pouring all over the place, so I just fled into the little forest to get some shelter. I'm a pussy like that, you know.

1:27:23BubblemanDude, I've got my haze growing finally. I got this haze sent via Tom Hill from a 91 Wernard Brewer, Dave Watson. Crazy story history, right? Got it from this Canadian guy, James. Shout out to you if you're watching, dude. Tom was like, oh, I sent a bunch of seeds to this guy. I told him how to... Thank you for watching.

1:27:58BubblemanI don't know what happened to it. I don't know if it was the travel. I'd never seen a plant do that. But I was like, no. So I put Dave Watson's ashes next to it and I just left it for months. I was just like giving it a bit of juice, you know, taking care of it. And like three and a half months go by. And finally, I'm like, I'm like, it's nice out now.

1:28:19BubblemanI'm going to put this thing outside. And I put it outside in like May. And it is now about like this tall. It's got three big branches. It took a while even outside. It was about three weeks before it just shifted and started growing. And now this is the plant that I want to grow it up really big, veg it up really big, and take some cuts.

1:28:46SpeakerAnd then I'm going to put Dave's Ashes.

1:28:48BubblemanInto this haze plant that was sent to me via James, via Tom Hill. Awesome, man. Yeah, I mean, listen, dude. I have a very special place in my heart for haze. Haze is like... My all-time favorite of anything and everything cannabis-related, the strength, the potency, the anxiety-inducing-likeness of a real haze. So what you guys are doing over there, the bombs you dropped when you were on Hash Church last time about the square footage and the yields and the 200-fucking-watt light bulb halfway up the plant, that shit was...

1:29:26BubblemanI don't think enough people heard it, dude. I try to be like, go back and listen again, dude, because I don't think you understand. Like there is economic viability in haze.

1:29:34SpeakerWell, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. Absolutely. And as you say, if you have like the right phenotype, because, you know, The haze has a bunch of different phenotypes. Sometimes it's all over the place, depending on which genetic repository that you use.

1:29:50BubblemanIt's all over the place like Sammy. Sammy hits me up all the time. He sends amazing videos of all of his different hazes and the structures. Dude, I absolutely adore Sammy. I love getting messages. He sends me 10-minute messages. I'm like, holy fuck, dude, I got to listen to this at the end of the day. I can't just listen to this right now.

1:30:11SpeakerIt was like, before he got on that haze episode, he was like, dude, I don't know, should I be doing this? You know, it's like, never meet your heroes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, come on, man, it's going to be fun. So, and it's good that, you know, he's not so shy.

1:30:27BubblemanWe send videos to each other all the time. I send him videos all the time of my garden, my little haze plants. And I envy his haze garden, dude. I envy your haze garden. All those different haze flavors, like... Once I get my greenhouse, I'm going to start just collecting the genetics for myself. I just need these hazes in my life. It's important.

1:30:48SpeakerYou know, I always say don't envy the guy with haze, pity the guy with haze. Yeah. Pity the guy with haze. Pity the guy that grows the haze because it is super difficult to grow, right? If you have those Those modern varieties that are like finicky to grow. Imagine that squared and then like triple the time. Yeah.

1:31:12BubblemanYeah, but difficulty produces excellence and easiness produces softness. So don't pity the difficult. That's what we should be praising the difficult. In fact, I'd like to start an Instagram account where you're not allowed to post anything that's podium related. I only want to see the suffering and the tears and the fucking blood and the sweat. That's the new Instagram. Show me your suffering. Show me your failures because that's what got you on that fucking podium in the first place.

1:31:44SpeakerWell, I think me and the boys can take you up on that, you know, as far as suffering goes for some of the stuff that we do. So, uh, I'll remember that.

1:31:55BubblemanI'll remember it, dude. To suffer is great. Listen, it's, you know, that old, like my, my, my, my grandfather rode a camel. His father rode a Toyota. I ride a Rolls Royce, but my son will ride a camel.

1:32:13SpeakerYeah.

1:32:16SpeakerI fear that as well.

1:32:19BubblemanIt's not until you become a parent. Sorry, Stefan. You become a parent and you realize right away how easy it is to destroy your children by just loving them.

1:32:29SpeakerDude, for sure, for sure.

1:32:31BubblemanYou want to give them everything, but you can't. Go ahead, Stefan, with your thought.

1:32:35SpeakerNo, I just wanted to share that I witnessed in Dominic's beautiful greenhouse in the Netherlands that was mid of June, correct me, that he was stretching out now the hazes into a new grow where he has also the lamps installed. Help me, Dominic. It's not vertically, it's horizontally. Yeah, growing on the sides. High wire. High wire. High wire. High wire. That was the key word I was looking for.

1:33:05SpeakerAnd it didn't look difficult when you do it. So, you know, you're saying it's so difficult and then it looked like, you know, that was a little bit of an amusement park activity. But it looked fantastic. I thought it was amazing. And yeah, and the previous one, which also had some hashes of Dave, Dave Watson. I tested it and I must say psychedelic. Yeah, it really, it really is a next level.

1:33:33SpeakerYeah, absolutely. So, and figure out that's the farm. So, that variety that you speak of with that psychedelic effect, right? I tested that one as a first tester of the hay. So, I had a feeling that I was like on tropical or something, right? And then when you go look at the lab results, it's crazy. It's like over 3% terpenes, but only like 10% THC. Yep. There you go.

1:34:06SpeakerSo, you know, you guys can say, everybody can say all they want about like high THC and whatever. I think we're going to notice a trend, hopefully in the next five to 10 years of people like moving away from the high THC, you know, THC only or whatever. 100%.

1:34:27BubblemanWhen Dom said that it was difficult, I think it's difficult to grow haze under the current standards of growing. And I think that as an XO stumbles onto, you know, different methodologies like the growing on the lattice with the side lighting, like anything that's just outside of the box, that there will be easier ways to grow haze.

1:34:48Etienne FontanYep, for sure. The consumer is getting more educated on it because I agree with you all in that the high THC thing has run its turn and the more people get access to the unique cannabinoid profiles of these equatorials, it really flips the script. On top of, just to give you an example, my dispensary in California has been carrying some lately and there tend to be Thank you so much for joining us.

1:35:38Etienne FontanThat is different from, you know, currently we're carrying right now from Buttle Arrow, we carry the pearls, we're carrying different types of hazes. And the response from the people is yes, it's expensive. However, the true heads know what they're looking for and will come looking for it. And we'll happily pay for equality over the quantity of THC almost every day now. So that we're starting to see the change as more of these equatorials become accessible to the public.

1:36:08Etienne FontanThey immediately gravitate toward them because the effect is completely different Thank you for joining us.

1:36:29Etienne FontanIt literally takes having that product in their hands to physically understand what people are talking about. It's one thing to say it. It's one thing to see it. It's one thing to uptake it and be like, oh, I get it, right? The body chemistry, the brain, everything kicks in And it's just a yes from the body and they can't necessarily explain why because it's not the THC equalization that their friends told them.

1:36:58Etienne FontanSo again, the lack of education and the willful ignorance has led us to a point where we can't educate them as much as put the proper cannabis in front of them and then they will respond.

1:37:13SpeakerYeah, but that's that's like I completely agree. And that's like a catch 2022. I mean, you're not going to grow if the market doesn't ask for it and the market doesn't get to know it when you don't grow it. Yeah.

1:37:28Etienne FontanSo who's got to be first? Well, everybody, the high THC seems to have been first, unfortunately, but the saturation changes people's access and then the uniqueness as once people see it and experience it. I mean, again, the price tag does set them off. I mean, I pay more for my hazes when I go to Katsu, you know, when I go to the Netherlands and things like that, because I know what I'm looking for.

1:37:55Etienne FontanI know what I like. My body likes it. And so my brain likes it. But many people haven't arrived at that with an equatorial yet. So everybody and anybody, when you get an equatorial, get together all your friends, make it a celebration, make sure everybody gets a nice flavor, a nice hit so that they can experience what it's truly like. Because once you truly taste a haze, I mean, a really well-grown equatorial haze, full expression, it'll change your life.

1:38:30SpeakerHallelujah! There we go. Yes. Well said again. Well said again. Absolutely. You know, if you look at, from that point of view, when the haze first hit the coffee shops in the Netherlands, Um, like historically the, the one, the ones on the menu in the coffee shop that have been most highest priced were always the hazes. And it's, it's because they are so unique in terms of effect.

1:39:04SpeakerUm, they, they command a longer growing time, so they command higher prices. So. At least in my generation, when we went to the coffee shop, you got your whites, you got your skunks, you got your diesels, and whatever, your cushions. And then there's like a price gap of a few euros a gram, and then you got your hazes. And stuff like the Neville's haze is only sold in a few coffee shops in the Netherlands, but it has been there for the last like 30 years, you know?

1:39:38SpeakerThere's people that it's always in demand, you know?

1:39:43BubblemanDude, when I, I was going to Amsterdam in the 90s and I can't remember why I was there, what the trip was. I don't think I'd started bubble bags yet, but I met this woman and I met her at the green, I always go to the green, I stay at the Krasnopolsky whenever I'm in Amsterdam. So I'm in Dam Square, I go down Dam Rack and I always like the greenhouse.

1:40:03BubblemanEven when Arian was this sort of, you know, people, you know, like what Arian knew how to do that the Dutch were a little bit behind was he knew how to cater to the North America.

1:40:13SpeakerThat's it.

1:40:13BubblemanHe just knew how to do it. He knew how to provide exactly what they want. Fucking bacon and eggs and fucking rock and roll music and like whatever. Pepsi's and, you know, the whole nine yards.

1:40:22SpeakerSuper awesome. Yeah.

1:40:23BubblemanAnd he did that really well. And I, for whatever reason, I mean, look, I love the Domkring. I love the Katsu. I love the Tweeden Camera was probably one of my favorite rooms. I go there with Barge all the time. We just hang out in the little, you know, fucking four tables or whatever there is in the second room there. And some other spots that I knew about over the years, but there was, I just loved hanging out in that one spot.

1:40:45BubblemanAnd I met this girl there. Her name was Wendy, I believe. And I remember she had this... Rude Raksha bead. Are you guys familiar with the Rude Raksha beads from India? All the sadhus wear them. Most of the Rude Raksha beads are the lines on them are called Mukis. And so a five Muki Rude Raksha is a very standard Rude Raksha. It's the one that they'll have their dreads wrap.

1:41:08BubblemanThey'll have big, big ones. But then there are rare ones. And the rarest of all is the one Muki. Like this, this thing is like expensive, dude. Like it's not a joke. Like the Indians will carve wood beads to make them look like Rudraksha because Rudraksha seeds are unbelievably beautiful. They're geometric and pattern shaped and really trippy shit. So this woman at the greenhouse had a fucking one Mookie Rudraksha.

1:41:34BubblemanSo I was like, it had to be after 98 because I had just come back from the Maha Kumbh Mela in Haridwar because I knew about this. And I said, well, is that a one Mookie? And she said, yeah. And I said, oh, check this one out. I just got it in India. It's a nine Mookie, but it looks like Ganesh. And she was like, oh, trippy.

1:41:49BubblemanAnd so I got talking with this chick. She invites me back to her apartment. And it's a grow. And this is kind of like, you know, this is during a time where growing is not legal in Amsterdam. Like, it's totally sketchy to show a stranger your grow. Well, it wasn't her grow. It was fucking one of Neville's grows. She was a grower. So I'm now at Neville's and we're talking, now I start talking about Zachariah Sitchin and the Anunnaki.

1:42:13BubblemanShe's like, oh, you got, I got to call my, my, the guy who owns this place. He's going to want to talk to you. He's all breathing and parrots. And I'm like, oh yeah, put him on the phone, dude. So I'm talking to this guy and he's like, I'm like, Hey, what's, what's your name, dude? He's like, uh, Neville. I'm like, Neville.

1:42:27SpeakerI'm like, there's no fucking way, dude.

1:42:29BubblemanHe's like, yeah, Neville Schumacher. I'm like, holy shit. That's how I met Neville. Was through this girl, Wendy, who I randomly met at a coffee shop that I walked over to from the Kraus and the Polsky. So there's a real important factor. The same way pubs have been important and the same way coffee shops have been important. It is very important for us to gather where we smoke and use cannabis because the connections that will be created In those rooms, we'll build the future world because we've already seen it with laborers when pubs first, you know, people are drinking after a hard days of work and the conversations that they had in those pubs shaped the world of tomorrow, as did the tea houses, as did the coffee houses, and as well, the cannabis, you know, vapor lounge, whatever you want to call it, the coffee shops, whatever you want to call it, we need to be...

1:43:22SpeakerThey serve a social function.

1:43:24BubblemanOh, my God.

1:43:24SpeakerSuper important. I mean, you know this. When COVID hit, they wanted to close down the coffee shop, but the government in the Netherlands, they deemed the coffee shop essential businesses. So it could not be closed down during COVID.

1:43:41BubblemanYep, the same thing in Canada. No, trust me, dude. I was blown away when they did it in Canada. But on the flip side, they also made alcohol essential, not because it was essential, but because all of the alcoholics would fill the hospital beds with the fucking shakes. If alcohol, I'm telling you the truth, dude, this was like our health person that announced this and it is laughable and horrible, but this is the facts.

1:44:04BubblemanThere are so many alcoholics in Canada that, and we didn't have enough beds, you know, the lie was we didn't have enough beds, which, dude, what are you talking about?

1:44:12SpeakerLike they fucking- Wasn't legalization supposed to mitigate that? Legalization? In Canada? Yeah, wasn't legalization of cannabis supposed to mitigate a lot of the alcohol problems?

1:44:25BubblemanI think it has to attune. I think young people drink way less now that they have access to cannabis. I'm sure they would drink even less if they had access to, you know, Psychedelic gummies, LSD and psilocybin and cactus. They do kind of, Dana Larson's amazing. He was Mark Emery's partner at Cannabis Culture and the editor for Cannabis Culture. He's got mushroom and psychedelic shops. He sells LSD and everything, just total black market, gray area, right out of a fucking shop in Vancouver.

1:44:54BubblemanAnd he's got a coca leaf shop as well, where he sells coca products from Columbia. Yeah, Vancouver's unique, you know, and it's very much like Amsterdam in that sense that it's like, and I don't know how it played out in Amsterdam, probably because back in the day, the Dutch were tolerant. But in Canada, I don't think it played out that way. I think it played out that so many people, there's so many more serious crimes.

1:45:17BubblemanThere's so many people dying of fentanyl overdoses. The cannabis has never been important in like in the West Coast. It's just like we don't have a dollar. To put into this. That's why the DEA put all that money to get Mark Emery. You know, that wasn't Canadian funds, I can promise you that. When they arrested Mark Emery, mark my words, those were American DEA dollars.

1:45:40SpeakerWhy am I not surprised?

1:45:43BubblemanYeah, well, they wanted him really bad. And funny enough, because Adam Bowen wrote a song about this, when you consume cannabis, it was talking about how the song is about when you consume cannabis, It changes you. And America consumed Mark Emery, who is cannabis. So we wrote this song and I'm telling you, Mark Emery was prosecuted. He served five years in prison. I thought that was very good because he was I thought they were going to give him the death penalty when they hit him with the kingpin law, which was like the death penalty for a million pounds of cannabis, which they said is seeds produced over a million pounds.

1:46:19BubblemanYeah, it was scary. I remember having conversations with him going, dude, you can't like, what are you going to do? You're just going to like, he's like, I'm just going to go down and face the music. I'm like, whoa, dude, I'd be fucking in the Yukon, bro. I would not.

1:46:31SpeakerI don't know. It's terrifying because of people like, like, like, like Mark, like, like Todd, you know, like Steve D'Angelo.

1:46:41BubblemanYeah.

1:46:41SpeakerThose, those guys were, were fighters. And that's something that I fear for a lot of the people that like, My generation and younger, like millennials, you see a lot less of that, I think also due because cannabis is increasingly normalized, so to speak, and regulated. But I think we're losing a little bit of that spirit because now you should be fighters not to do Thank you. Thank you.

1:47:14SpeakerThank you.

1:47:41SpeakerThat's right. You have this regulation. You have the chance of doing it right. So lead by example. And help steer it for that matter.

1:47:51Etienne FontanUse us in California as an example. A bunch of people took their eyes off of regulations and off of overseeing it. And what happened is then other people came in and filled those holes because the growers were not there telling them these are the real problems. The producers went out there saying, this is what's actually happening. They all decided to let other people do it And now we're stuck, as I tell people, we're stuck with this kind of asshole kid that we raised and nobody likes because we didn't guide him along the way.

1:48:23Etienne FontanWe didn't send him to the right schools. He hung out with a whole bunch of assholes and cops and he ends up being a fucking complete asshole. And now everybody's like, why am I raising this fucking asshole? I don't like him. So, you know, this is where we have to realize our responsibility. And this is where I called out a whole bunch of people. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:49:10Etienne FontanWe are disappointed in this new generation coming up doesn't have much to fight for like we had fought for. You know, Steve D'Angelo and them really put their money where their mouth is. When I was out in Canada in 93 and 94, it was Steve who bought our van that allowed us to literally drive around the country, right? It was taking your proceeds from your illegal gains and putting it towards the opportunity for people to affect that change.

1:49:37Etienne FontanNow that change has happened, everybody Everybody's like, oh, well, now I have to go to school and I have to have a job and I have to be educated like Stefan and Dom and really know things as opposed to just, you know, me sitting in my closet with a seed and, you know, an HPS light hoping for the best, right? Yeah.

1:49:57BubblemanI never finished the story, but the prosecutor who prosecuted Mark Emery was the one that brought forth the legalization for the regulatory framework for legal cannabis in Washington state. So like after he prosecuted Mark, he was so affected by that that he fought for cannabis in Washington. That's insane. It's insane, but it's kind of how it goes. You know, I mean, look at what we used to protest in Vancouver like motherfuckers.

1:50:23BubblemanWe protested all the time. We were like in the streets protesting. Now, I'll be honest, when I see people protesting, they just look like assholes to me. I'm like, oh, my God, did we look like that? I hope we didn't look like that. And then I think back to what did our protesting get us? Nothing, nothing came from protesting. What we got things from were not bucking the system, but going into the system.

1:50:47BubblemanWe went to the courts and we were like, oh, now we have to like sue the government because they're like, because you can do that. You can sue the government. Like that's what the courts are there for everyone. And so someone in Canada was like, you know, it started with Terry Parker and then a couple other key cases that happened. And it was just like, no, you know what?

1:51:04BubblemanFuck this. I'm right and you're wrong. And once our court cases in Canada started rolling, dude, so much more effective than protests. Yeah.

1:51:13Etienne FontanWell, you had almost what you had almost 500 court cases across the entire country.

1:51:19BubblemanAnd more importantly, Etienne, they had not a leg to stand on. You didn't understand how bad the court cases were. When they came up, their experts and stuff, they were so uneducated and so incorrect on everything that it was so easy. You bring Chris Conrad or some like cannabis guy to come in and just be like rattling off, you know, truly an expert in the field. And we just won time and time again.

1:51:48BubblemanI'll never forget how we got hash legalized in Canada. Everything got passed in the laws. And then Owen Smith got arrested. I told the story last week with the bakery at the Ted Smith's Compassion Club in Victoria. And they were in court. And our lawyer, the lawyer, Kirk Toussade, he's from the US, but he's been living in Canada for years. He's partners with Matt the Great Gardener.

1:52:15BubblemanThey do the Great Gardener legal brand. Kirk Toussade told the judge, right now, the way the laws are written, she can grow her own plants. She can trim them and cure them. And then if she takes them and puts them in a small tea bag and puts them in hot water, She's now can face 14 years in prison because that was considered an extraction. And so the judge was like, well, no, that's that's that can't be like that.

1:52:46BubblemanWe can't. That's that's bad. Like this could be problematic. And so what he did was because he didn't have the power. Here's the importance of language once again. He did not have the power to change the law in Canada. So what he did was he was a provincial judge, not a federal judge. He changed the definition. He broadened the definition of marijuana. So now instead of marijuana being just like flour, marijuana was like any component of the marijuana plant.

1:53:15BubblemanThe seed, the oils, the trichome head, the trichome stock, the systolic hair, whatever it was, if you had an eight pound license, you could have eight pounds of any of those things. You could have eight pounds of THCA. You could have, he just turned the term marijuana, which is the M-A-R-I-H-U-A-N-A, no J, right? The old school prohibition version. And yeah, fucking overnight, we were allowed to make hash.

1:53:41BubblemanAll the medical patients in British Columbia overnight were now allowed to make hash. And that fucked the federal government for the rest of Canada. Because overnight, the rest of the provinces were like, we want hash too. What the fuck? And so it's like, do we have to take you to court and win? Or no? Like literally within six months, the federal government Broaden the term, the definition.

1:54:02BubblemanThey were like, this is the smartest way to do it. Let's just broaden it as a federal rule. And now it's across the board and everyone can do extracts because cannabis is cannabis. Cannabis isn't something, there's no, your definition and my definition, it doesn't matter if they don't align as long as cannabis is cannabis.

1:54:18SpeakerYeah. And so, so like we have the opposite now happening in the US with the hemp seeds, right? The definition of hemp seed. Yeah. So I'm, you know, I'm not really optimistic how that's going to play out, you know.

1:54:33BubblemanBut you have to understand, when they made that mistake and released that, the farm bill the way they did, that was like opening a Pandora's box. That was like, first of all, it... I will always fight over my own economic growth for access. So it created access, no problem. It created, obviously, the type of access it created had problems with it, obviously, because sketchballs are going to come into it.

1:54:58BubblemanIt also, you know, went from $50,000 a kilo to $600 a kilo pretty fast because of no regulations. So there, you know, sometimes regulations can protect an industry. For instance, Canada has a regulation that you can't import Thank you for joining us.

1:55:36BubblemanThank you so much.

1:55:56BubblemanYour ability to, you know, if you're building a company like an XO or whatever, it makes you feel more comfortable that, okay, this, this industry, because listen, India, if India ever decides to grow weed and just like, you don't understand, like the, they have the farmland, they have the labor, they have the actual knowledge.

1:56:17SpeakerYeah.

1:56:18BubblemanLike terroir.

1:56:20SpeakerEverything, dude.

1:56:22BubblemanEverything. That India is a real threat to global cannabis, in my opinion, if they ever become federally legal. You know, when I say threat, I don't mean it. I don't think of it as a bad thing. For me, it's all about access. And I'm like, Dave, I'm not fighting for cannabis access for any particular group to profit from it. If I can profit, great. If you guys can profit, amazing.

1:56:46BubblemanIf someone else can profit, great. If someone I don't even know, who fucking cares? I just want, I want to be able to go right today and go into a store and buy 10 grams of full melt dry sift heads,

1:57:00Etienne FontanI just saw Nepal legalized it this week. We're a province in Nepal.

1:57:06SpeakerYeah, and India is moving in that direction as well.

1:57:11BubblemanYeah, we'll see.

1:57:12Etienne FontanNow, will Mamdi's government allow it, or do you think it'll have to be someone else in the future? Future, future.

1:57:21SpeakerI'm also convinced, you know, because of, and nothing against what you guys are doing in Canada, which is fabulous, but it has to be produced locally to make sense from a price perspective. I mean, how are only a few privileged Indians would be able to enjoy, you know, Canadian products. And so by all means, start by that. But also because of all the international laws and the import-export of controlled substance, it makes so much more sense that every country has its own reality and its own growing going on.

1:57:56BubblemanThe only reason Canada is doing what they're doing is because, A, our market is so tiny for the infrastructure of cannabis that got built there. Because you have to keep in mind, tons of our companies are American-owned. These are American companies positioning themselves for global cannabis export and import, right? And their beverage companies, Constellation Brands gave $4 billion to the Canopy Growth Company. I can't even imagine who Terry was pulling money from into Aurora, but it was...

1:58:26Bubbleman100 million dollar checks, you know, 100 million dollar checks. And when I saw that, I was like, well, this is never going to be paid back in like selling grams in Winnipeg. But because they saw a much wider picture, they saw that The rest of the countries are going to be so slow that there's going to be a five to 10 year period where Canada will be able to dominate in creating a supply chain.

1:58:55BubblemanAnd once they create that supply chain strong enough, even though each country, it'll only make sense for them to eventually build their own infrastructure and grow their own flower. Depending on the growth of just basically brokering flour, that's what you're doing. You're a broker. And the broker has very little overhead compared to the fucking, oh, I'm just going to build the grow, the dispensary, the hash making lab, the everything vertically integrated.

1:59:26BubblemanIt's a lot. And it seems like the most successful companies in this day and age, they don't own things.

1:59:33SpeakerNo, they're the brokers.

1:59:35BubblemanThey're the brokers, dude.

1:59:37SpeakerYeah, yeah, absolutely. And so this is why I see time and time again happening here in Europe is they make contracts with a licensed producer for let's say five tons of a variety that maybe contains 25% THC. And so months go by before that product hits their doorstep, so to speak. And by that time, there's a good chance that They got an offer of another company that has a variety of 30%.

2:00:08SpeakerAnd so then the broker comes back to you and say, hey, I want to revisit our contract. You need to get me a variety of 30%. Well, I don't have that says the licensed producer. Oh, no problem. We're going to buy off your neighbors. And we're going to have you just sit on that 25%. And so they, they not only control Effectively, the production chain, but they also control the narrative towards patients, towards pharmacies.

2:00:36SpeakerAnd that's that's a big problem.

2:00:39BubblemanBut that's a big problem. Those buyers always controlled everything because without them, like no one was selling.

2:00:47SpeakerYeah, and then we should really give these people some of that haze, which is 12%, and then they're going to realize how stupid this entire marketing concept that the higher THC makes the higher prices. And, you know, I am 100% sure, and we had the discussion with Dominic at Inexo last time, but I'm sure that there is many other receptors, which is not just the CB1, which we know is activated by THC.

2:01:15SpeakerThank you very much.

2:01:31SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:01:51BubblemanLet me tell you, one of the most intense joints I had recently was my friend Roe. He has a company called If You Know, You Know, IYK, IYK. And he sells these doinks with a half a gram of rosin in them. And they're 2.5 gram joints. And it's all organic. It's all like just glass tip with the spiral filter in the tip.

2:02:18Etienne FontanMy kind of joint.

2:02:19BubblemanAnd dude, listen, we're at this new venue for smoking that our friend Andrew created in Vancouver. It's kind of a private place right now, but it'll eventually be public and really beautiful and just a great place to go and sesh. And we're there. And he pulls out this Seedsman Hayes joint, 2.5 grams. And we go into the smoking room and there's like eight other guys. So I'm like, oh, I'll probably get a couple puffs off this thing.

2:02:47BubblemanNone of them want to smoke it. They're all scared. So me and Ro puff this thing, just the two of us. And I, you know, I knew I was going to enjoy myself. I didn't, it wasn't until we walked outside and he goes, whoa, I'm really high. And when he said that, I swear to God, my head, Rocketed off my body and just shot into the stratosphere.

2:03:10BubblemanAnd I was like, just for a split second, I had anxiety and then it disappeared. And I was just like, oh my God, this is the nicest high I think I've ever had. Went and enjoyed it for, I bet you I was high on that joint for an hour and a half, which is saying something for flower. And, you know, like it just kept me, I'd smoke a joint and be not high five minutes later.

2:03:30BubblemanThis thing, We were rippling and we were laughing and we were like, it was almost like a mild dose of mushrooms. Like we're giggling. We're talking to all these guys that are around. I was like, you're lucky you didn't smoke this joint. It had been like, and Ro was like, oh, my favorite part about smoking it is, you know, watching people have anxiety attacks.

2:03:51SpeakerYou know what? Like when you hear the stereotypical effects in cartoons, like on, on cannabis.

2:03:57Collin PalmerYes.

2:03:58SpeakerSome of them are more LSD-like. I bet you that Haze or Dose Equatorial were largely responsible for people perceiving the effects in this kind of a way. It's a lot more, it plays a lot more on the emotions instead of numbing you down. So your emotions get amplified. And a lot of the anxiety comes from that initial shock of onset. It's like, oh, this is real. Well, it's your reaction to it, right?

2:04:30BubblemanYeah. It's the reacting to it that's like, did you spike adrenaline? Because that's going to make your reaction even more intense, you know?

2:04:36SpeakerSo like a lot of IndieCast, you want to dull your emotions basically, right? With the equatorials and the haze, you turn the emotions up to 10.

2:04:48BubblemanYeah, you really do.

2:04:49SpeakerYeah. That's why I like it, but that's also why I'm scared of it, you know?

2:04:55BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I said I don't pity you, I envy you. I'd love to go into the grow every day and just see hazes. And I'll get there, you know, I'm in Canada, so it's a little bit dichotomous growing hazes up in Canada.

2:05:09SpeakerWell, we could use some good interns, Marcus. Yeah, right? Yeah. No. I think it's time we start to consider a tunnel from Vancouver to Amsterdam. You know, just a direct... Wait, did y'all see?

2:05:27Etienne FontanThey found supposedly a seven-mile tunnel into Burning Man this week that literally led into town into a warehouse. No way. Yeah.

2:05:40BubblemanSeven miles?

2:05:41Etienne Fontan7.4 miles.

2:05:43BubblemanSo what is the purpose for that?

2:05:45Etienne FontanGetting the drugs in and out of Burning Man.

2:05:49BubblemanYeah, but I mean, I get like building a one mile tunnel that just costs so much time and energy to smuggle.

2:05:58SpeakerYeah, it depends on how much you ask for them to go through the tunnel.

2:06:01BubblemanWell, that's just it. What are they? I guess it's a lot of rich people go to Burning Man, hey?

2:06:07SpeakerAgain, sorry, I'm bringing back my idea of the parachutes. Cheaper.

2:06:12BubblemanDude, listen, you know what I freaked out about today? I was driving on the highway with Luke and I'm like, bro, I think there's a drone flying above us. He's like, oh yeah, that's just the police. They monitor the highways with the drones. I was like...

2:06:28SpeakerI was like, really? Are you serious?

2:06:29BubblemanI haven't even seen that. I saw three more right after that. Holy crap. Yeah, you're going to lose your mind, dude. I was thinking about you, actually. I was like, Aaron's not going to like this. Not going to like it.

2:06:40SpeakerIt's almost like everything that you ever see in a sci-fi cartoon is going to come to pass. It's all the Jetsons.

2:06:47BubblemanAbsolutely. Are you kidding me? It's coming to pass. What are you talking about? All this stuff is. Science fiction is like us. Listen, all I know is this, when we say it, when we start saying it, that's what it does, right? What do the DMT elves say to Terrence McKenna the first time he saw them, right? They were jumping in and out of his chest and they said, don't be amazed, just do what we are doing.

2:07:18BubblemanAnd what they were doing was creating three-dimensional objects with their voices, which to me is a metaphor for creating reality with your voice. That's your words, right? Your intention. It's like it's a thought, then it becomes a vibration and a frequency that you put out into this like, it just blew my mind the first time I read that. I think he wrote it in True Hallucinations or whatever when he, he was like, I'm being a student of the LSD of Albert Hoffman.

2:07:47BubblemanI thought nothing of this dimethyltryptamine. It's like, yeah, okay, buddy.

2:07:52Etienne FontanI saw when I was in it, I saw them. They were always chipping away and working and creating something all in the all in the ethers in the side. So, yeah, I agree. You can see all that crazy shit.

2:08:03SpeakerThose self-dribbling machine elves, as they like to call it, you know, those self-reflecting builders of reality, man, dribbling in and out of my chest. Yeah.

2:08:15BubblemanThe self-reflecting machine elves. Yeah.

2:08:19SpeakerI'm going to listen to that YouTube tonight.

2:08:23BubblemanDo you want to listen to my favorite Terrence McKenna lecture? Which one? It's called Psilocybins in the Sands of Time. And it's from the Esalen Institute.

2:08:33SpeakerOh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, listen, it's amazing.

2:08:38BubblemanIt is amazing. I'm gonna bookmark that. It's my all-time favorite. So anyone watching? Good. I don't just say this shit. Like I'm telling you, if you listen to it, you will be. Now it's gonna be a shitty recording. It's gonna be very high treble. So if you're an audiophile, don't even bother. Audiophiles won't be able to listen to it. But anyone else, you're good.

2:08:56SpeakerFocus. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:09:23SpeakerImagine if Terrence McKenna would still be alive today in the age of AI. Imagine what he would come up with tinkering away with. He said it. He said it was going to get weirder and weirder and weirder. I mean, you know?

2:09:42BubblemanYeah, that's what he said, though. He prophesied it, that it would just keep getting weirder and weirder and weirder. You know, and it has certainly gotten weirder. Holy shit.

2:09:55SpeakerMarcus, let me ask you, you know, any of you or the gang use AI in your companies already?

2:10:03BubblemanI play around with it. Absolutely. I do. To me, it's like another tool. So, I mean, listen. whether people like it or not like it's super helpful for me to create a thumbnail every week i'm not a photoshop guy i'm not an expert at this that or the other thing like it's it's it's for so on the simplest level now on a more complicated level we hired a guy in colorado to do some work for us for hash hits and we spent like 1500 bucks and we were waiting a while and when we finally saw the work it just wasn't good it was really bad and i just I dragged it into like ChatGPT and said, can you make this way better on every level with blue backlit lights, my wizard in the background, watermark to the street, like it made it in three seconds.

2:10:47BubblemanAnd I was like, wow, I just spent 1500 bucks on something that's not that good. Hey, welcome Xavier. Oh, you're on mute. Sorry, you always come in on mute. It's a default.

2:11:00BubblemanHe'll figure that out here. I can send you a, cause you're on a phone. There you go. You figured it out. Oh, you've muted again. Oops. Asked to unmute. There we go.

2:11:08SpeakerThere we go. Javier only joined because you saw I was on and he said, I'm not getting through to this guy. So let me get through to him through a hat search. Isn't that right, Javier?

2:11:20BubblemanThat would be amazing, dude. If he just came in and said, Dom, so listen, those emails I've been sending you.

2:11:26SpeakerThat's it. That's all I needed to say. You guys said it for me. So thank you very much. I'll catch you guys on the flip side.

2:11:34Etienne FontanI don't use AI in my cannabis business, but we use it, of course, in all of our policy work at the, you know, at the national and international level because it helps us process things quicker as well as gives us legislation for other countries, diplomats, et cetera, that, you know... People have to understand just providing a simple thing of being a transfer of just legislation to a electoral person, depending on where they are in a country, et cetera, can have a considerable difference because our politicians are not very intelligent.

2:12:15Etienne FontanThey don't write legislation like they used to. So what we learned to do is take the legislation to them. Yeah, you write it, you take it to them and then they then take you pass it off to them and then they go off and they take it as their own flag. So that's something that we have found very helpful in the sense of the persuading of our politicians into understanding their problems that they're having and to help them understand them quicker.

2:12:45BubblemanLow hanging fruit as well. I run contracts through it. And I just I'll ask a simple question like, does this work? Is this a fair contract? Does it work more in my favor or less in my favor? Can you point out the parts where I might want to be careful where it opens up for interpretation? And it's been unbelievable. And for a while I would get it checked.

2:13:04BubblemanBy lawyers and after a while, I was like, yeah, I don't have to pay these guys for these simple things either. And I just I found a bunch of different things like that. I designed my course, which is a 69 page course, which I'm going to be doing tomorrow for Aaron and a bunch of people that are going to be at the Mock Technologies event. That's like the most in-depth water hash, dry sifting, freeze drying, rosin pressing, like from A to B all the way through all of the processes with super in-depth Notes and stuff like AI helped me enormously with that, like took hours off the timeline.

2:13:40BubblemanAnd yeah, what's that? Go ahead.

2:13:44SpeakerSorry, I'm curious if it's going to include the cryo trim from the resonator.

2:13:48BubblemanI haven't been cryotrimming from the resonator myself yet, but I am very close with TJ and I've had a lot of conversations with him. I'm going to go to Sonoma County where he lives here probably in September and kind of get into playing around with that because I definitely think I mean, listen, from day one, when I first saw the cryo can and before when Indra came on Hash Church like 10 years ago and told us all about liquid nitrogen, because, of course, Indra was doing that way before anyone, which is super basic, simple.

2:14:15BubblemanBut like when you make the trichomes that like it was counterintuitive to me to smash up flour that's been had liquid nitrogen poured over it and then like sifted over screens because I thought, oh, my God, the leaf is going to be just like like dust. But it didn't work like that. It made the resin so cold that the resin was super easy to isolate and separate from.

2:14:36BubblemanAnd you could get a very high percentage of heads doing a simple liquid nitrogen extraction. And I know in my heart that with cannabis, one of the biggest values are the volatile organic compounds. And so a cold supply chain and as cold as possible from as early on as possible will preserve, you know, more of those from the get go. Now, I don't intend to know if that's good or not.

2:15:04BubblemanWe used to cure mono terpenes out and now we're smoking them and they are caustic and they are like rough on the throat. I don't feel any worse off myself after 20 years of smoking dabs with 10 plus percent terpenes. And who knows?

2:15:18SpeakerHow would you know?

2:15:19BubblemanWhat's that?

2:15:20SpeakerHow would you know?

2:15:22BubblemanHow would I know what? How would you know? You've been smoking all the time. Well, but not joints, only vaporizing full melt.

2:15:31Aaron WaiteOkay.

2:15:32BubblemanOkay. Now for a while we got out of control. We were doing the terpenes when Tony started Blue River Extracts and I had Blue River Extracts Canada and we were doing the terpenes. That got crazy because we were looking for the boundary and we found it. Like it's like you shouldn't, there's definitely a threshold for inhaling volatile organic compounds. You can't just go to 87% Vox. Like, you know what I mean?

2:15:55BubblemanLike even like 16% to me is like terpenes. 16% terpenes is insane.

2:16:03SpeakerI dabbed with Ted from Alien Labs some Skittles sauce, and that was just a pure throat burn. Yeah, I did it.

2:16:12BubblemanAlso, not that same thing, but we were dabbing just terpenes at one point in time, just putting them on the fucking sapphire dish, turning it way down, and chemists were like, you did what? What were you doing? It's like, oh yeah, it's probably good to have it be a part of the cannabis plant. I've talked about this a few times, but just there are components that make inhaling these resins safe for us, like safer than not, which is why we're not all getting lung ailments and lung cancers for being chronic cannabis users.

2:16:48SpeakerAm I the only one right now picturing, you know, these aromatherapy dudes and dudettes, you know, getting their essential oils and putting them in a dabrick?

2:16:58BubblemanRight? Oh, my God.

2:17:01SpeakerDabbing out, like, geranium? Yeah, what is for sure, we don't know so much. I mean, there is not really a human clinical trials with terpenes, placenta, and then there is the synergy when you put them together, you know. So that needs to be known. But many of those receptors, they have a point of saturation. You know, not always when you take more, you have more effect. That is, especially when you ingest.

2:17:28BubblemanHow many receptors are there? And like, what are the non-perceivables? Because we talk about cannabis like it's cannabinoids and terpenes, and that's just not accurate. We dismiss thiols and thiolates and aldehydes and esters because they happen in such smaller numbers. But things like thiols, which our nose is probably a thousand X more susceptible to smelling because of our olfactory relationship with these compounds for however many thousands or millions of years.

2:17:55BubblemanYou know, the fact that we smell a thiol It could be 0.00001%. And it's like the most dominant thing in the bag. It's garlic or whatever.

2:18:05SpeakerYeah, you know, Marcus, you and I discussed this on stage back in Barcelona at ICBC. That's right. We were talking about the sensitivity to these types of molecules and how small they are and how difficult they are for modern machinery to detect them. But the human... Thank you for joining us.

2:18:40BubblemanIt's illegal to move odorless gas through cities. What do they put in? Ethyl mercaptine. What is ethyl mercaptine? It's rotten eggs.

2:18:48SpeakerYeah, it's a thiol, right?

2:18:50BubblemanYeah, they put that in there very specifically because you want to smell it early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's the other thing. You will be very hard set to find anyone in in life unless they have no olfactory whatsoever who's blind to files you can be blind to terpenes you can have blind spots to a lot of different smells but files are not things that humans are generally blind to oh yeah that's i mean it's very basic it's it's the the light of our fight response almost right it's it's immediate

2:19:22SpeakerI did have a question for you. I'm curious why the general non-cannabis populace does not refer to any of these aromas. Yeah, it's a survival mechanism. I'm watching videos and I hear they were saying orange esters. He didn't say orange terpenes. It's not in the common vernacular of people who are not cannabis smokers to use the word terpenes when they refer to smell or aromas that are coming, you know, being citric or whatever.

2:19:50SpeakerI wonder why that is.

2:19:53BubblemanDoes anyone want to say something before I answer?

2:19:56SpeakerYeah, it's not because it's always terpenes. Sometimes it is esters. It is aldehyde.

2:20:02BubblemanI think our world is so terpene dominant and because it's such like terpene dominant in the sense that it's the highest percentage of component of flavor and smell on the plant, terpenes and terpenoids. You know what I mean? Phials and esters and these things happen in a much smaller percentage. Cannabis is a very unique plant. The fact that it's producing as much of these compounds as it is is pretty spectacular when you think about it.

2:20:30BubblemanYou don't see too many plants in nature that are like the laboratory that is the glandular trichome from the cannabis plant. It's kind of fucking amazing.

2:20:41SpeakerWhich leads to think later on, Marcus, sorry to interrupt you, but that capacity to be able to produce these metabolites, if you're able to engineer the plant, you could theoretically produce other metabolites as well. And it's like one of the greatest vehicles to be able to produce chemical compounds.

2:20:56BubblemanDude, I always thought when food companies, even when I met the general himself, Larry from General Hydroponics, which is a fucking great guy, by the way. You know, and all these other guys from these salt companies. I said, listen, and then I think it was when I first saw that turpinator, the turpinator. I'm like, listen, bro, like what really you need to do is you guys need to start developing food that you can prove that you can either enhance or or, you know, produce something that's not like let this plant express something.

2:21:28BubblemanGive it the building blocks of what. The plant needs to produce. All of these components, and those are basically plastids and tiles, right? Plastids and tiles are the building blocks inside the glandular trichome that are producing CBGA and then everything from that. So let's find a way to manipulate the production of those. And maybe that's the wrong pathway, but these guys are like, we're trying to produce vegetative yields.

2:22:00BubblemanI'm like, I get the vegetative yield thing, but... We're kind of moving away from that a little bit. You know, in the pharma world, it's milligrams, right? It's still yield, but it's not vegetative yield because the vegetative yields means nothing. What is the milligrams of medicinal components that you've produced? Because that's the only thing that's real. The other thing is an illusion. It's smoke and mirrors. And it can cause problems, especially we talked about it earlier with bound and unbound water and the way you cure the flower and the way you, you know, whether you hold that, that moisture content in there for natural weight or whether you uncork it and then end up with like the Colorado weed, which is just like, you know, I mean, I think there's this, there's a sweet spot.

2:22:43SpeakerI found a sweet spot for me. It's 10.5 LOD. That's a sweet spot. Especially in particular for long-term storage to withstand a rise in microbiology overshipping continents and to be able to find a stable level of microbiology. Upon arrival and opening.

2:23:11BubblemanWe were talking about it earlier and EUGMP companies to play it safe, they go down very low on the active water, so low that they're actually removing bound water and they're reducing the weight of their crop by about 7%. Because they just, they're also irradiating. So they're like doing both of these things, right? They're so afraid of microbial yeast and molds. Those are the things that from a cannabis perspective will just make the product unsellable.

2:23:39SpeakerTo be fair, they're remediating. They're not always irradiating.

2:23:43BubblemanYeah, remediating. Same, same. Different methods, but reducing microbial down.

2:23:49SpeakerThey might be using, for example, cryopasteurization. So that wouldn't be irradiation. They are using radiofrequency. But yes, technically it is treated and they make claims that it's not damaging a flower, but I've yet to see You know what? It's not just that. It's the moment a flower leaves a facility. If it's not treated, as you mentioned, in that perfect cold chain, the moment it hits it, even a dispensary, if it's sitting at room temperature in a sealed bag for weeks at a time, the grower who smokes it and releases that batch is going to have a very different experience if he walks into a dispensary a few months later and he picks out that same bag.

2:24:33SpeakerOh, yeah.

2:24:33BubblemanWhich he should. I implore all of you growers to go to your dispensary and pick up a bag from a month or two old. You know, in Canada, the first packaging that we had were these sort of not cellophane, kind of styrofoamy, but that sealant, right? The thing that seals the jar. And the glue that they were using, they didn't realize how caustic volatile organic compounds were.

2:24:56BubblemanThey also didn't realize that in the active water, it pressurizes. When they're boiling off of the bud and not in no cold chain, they're pressurizing the unit. So when you open the cap, you could see kind of a little bubble on this thing. Well, a lot of them didn't have the bubble anymore. And what they were doing was the, you know, delimiting probably or something like it.

2:25:17BubblemanThank you for joining us.

2:25:47BubblemanThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:26:17BubblemanAll right. Thank you so much.

2:26:32BubblemanAnd so it's different when you have to. I was telling him how we had a contest called Heady Happenings that happened in Vancouver not too long ago. It's high end hash snobbery. Kyle LeGros puts it on. It's a nice event. He gets mothership involved and it's just it's a good vibe, food and whatnot. And 30 or so people, and don't quote me on these numbers, but it was six or seven failed at a 30 for like Eagle 20 and Avid and like things that just should not be fucking sprayed on the plant.

2:27:06BubblemanAnd I remember being on that side. I remember coming from Legacy and moving into Legal and hearing Chad's be like, oh, it's so much safer. You know, the cannabis that we're producing is so much safer. And I was like, dude, that's just ridiculous. Like, what do you think? People are out there selling poison? Thank you so much for joining us.

2:27:45BubblemanI can't lose this field, bro. I just got these fucking caterpillars. They're eating fucking everything. I can't track them down. And if they eat my whole field, I'm fucked. I'm gonna be more fucked than I currently am. And I'm actually pretty fucked right now. So it's like, it's this force that you get pushed into that they're getting pushed into where they gotta use these chemicals. Well, the legal system doesn't give a fuck how fucked you are.

2:28:06BubblemanYou're going to have to fucking pay off the lab if you think you're going to be able to sell fucking Eagle 20 into the fucking legal market in Canada because there are strict regulations and strict testings and they just they'll catch you if you do that. And it's like, I never thought that was the truth. And now it's like, well, it's like the taxes. Do you think anyone would pay taxes if they didn't have fear of going to jail?

2:28:30SpeakerThat's exactly like going back a half hour into this conversation. I said lead by example, but you still have those licensed producers that will buy the lab, you know, that will buy the result.

2:28:43BubblemanYeah, well, people can buy that material from the store and go get it independently tested. And they do that in Canada. There are definitely groups going to dispensaries and buying shit and getting it tested. So it's like, it's a dangerous game to play. I know. It puts your shit at risk in a huge way. And honestly, it should be a fucking criminal charge.

2:29:05SpeakerA quick story. This is a real story from a licensed producer in the Middle East. If you can believe it, one of two licenses in this country and they were testing positive for pesticides and they were not spraying pesticides on their flower. And it took a while to figure out and it was not That's what's up.

2:29:51SpeakerYeah, yeah, which is no red tape in this country at all. It's unseen in anything like it. But I thought that was an interesting anecdote.

2:30:02BubblemanWell, it makes a lot of sense because when you're trying to keep things, it's who your neighbors are is very much. I remember the first time I went to Rubicon Organics and they're like, yeah, we're an organic facility. And I'm like, but you have a blueberry and a raspberry farm next to you on either side. I'm like, how are you managing this? This is unbelievable to me, like, because they have powdery mildew problems on both of those.

2:30:25BubblemanSo I don't know what their IPM process was, but it must have been the most organic IPM process possible because there is no way they were sulfurating and doing other things and not contaminating that farm. But Rubicon Organics time and time again passes. And if you buy their brand, Simply Bare, it's actually really nice cannabis. I just bought their tangerine sunrise and it smells and tastes and looks exactly like sweet skunk.

2:30:52BubblemanIt's like it's got to be a one to one terpenylene to osamine because it's just got this super, super sweet skunk familiar flavor. And I've been smoking sweet skunk for Probably 30 years, so I know it very well. I was next to the source for a good long while where it was easy to buy bags of that particular variety in Vancouver, really thanks to Breeders Steve. He kind of made that strain possible.

2:31:22BubblemanAnd I'll tell you, it was very haze-like. And I don't know if it's the Osamine Dom, but... But it cuts the term. There's just no anxiety in induction whatsoever with the sweet skunk. Sweet skunk, my wife who has an uber sensitivity to THC, like she'll drink a two milligram can of drink and drink less than half of it and be like, whoo. Ooh, I really feel that.

2:31:48BubblemanLike one milligram she's feeling. So she is very sensitive to cannabis. And the only cannabis she has ever enjoyed vaporizing is this sweet skunk. She loves haze. She loves the smell of haze, but she doesn't like the anxiety and getting anxiety induced like that. But yeah. Could be the pioneer.

2:32:12SpeakerPerhaps a slight bit of linalool if it's in there. There's nothing like the haze to cut through a room. I've been in rooms of smokers where I busted out the haze before and everyone just completely not turned their head. This, by the way, was with the A-male, so it was with the A-terps. So this would have been like the more sandalwood liver, you know, darker red meat, more than the, you know, lemon and pine.

2:32:38SpeakerYeah. Yeah. But, you know, like a skunk haze or an A5, you bust that out in a room and just people just, it's incredible how it just exists in a room.

2:32:49BubblemanListen, it attracts people to you to the point where I would have to roll, I was a taper. I would go to concerts and I would record with my DAT recorder and a little microphone. And if it wasn't fish, well, then I wasn't allowed to have like a mic stand or anything. I had to like do it low key. And so I would always be smoking haze and people would come over.

2:33:07BubblemanAnd this is one of my favorite things about Renee, which it had to be some type of a skunk haze because it smelled like skunk and fruit in the in the All of that stuff. And I was like, what the fuck is that? And so it attracted people to me. And what I would have to do, because they'd come over and be like, wow, man, I don't know what, I should make recordings of my tapes.

2:33:37BubblemanI should go find my recordings and make some recordings of people going, hey man, that smells amazing. What is that, man? Is that like a haze or something? Oh, yeah, man. It's so exciting. Oh, is that a microphone? Are you taping right now? Oh, shit. That's super cool, man. Hey, if I gave you my name and address, could I get a call? I'm like, oh, my God.

2:33:56BubblemanYou'd think, hey, is that a microphone? I can get it. So I would have like 10 extra joints rolled because there'd only be like, you know, four or five of those guys per concert that would come over. And I would just give them one and be like, here's a joint. It's the same stuff. I only have one rule. You got to smoke it on the other side of the room so they get to smell some of that good smell too.

2:34:16BubblemanAnytime it's like, fuck off, dude. I'm trying to record the show. Obsession. I was obsessed for a while with recording music. I recorded so much music.

2:34:27SpeakerThanks for sharing, man. Hey, I got to drop off because my cell phone battery is dying and I'm nowhere near my house yet.

2:34:34BubblemanHey, thanks for coming in, dude. I appreciate you. I'm also going to jump out.

2:34:40SpeakerThank you so much for the church moment. Yes, I feel the blessings. Yes. And we're looking forward to the parachute, bro.

2:34:46BubblemanYes, the parachute's coming.

2:34:49SpeakerComing to us.

2:34:50BubblemanActually, you know what? We're just going to put it right on this air.

2:34:53SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Peace.

2:34:57BubblemanI'll roll for a little bit longer. I'm not going to do a full four-hour hash church, but I'd love to hear more from you and Xavier. How have you been, dude? What have you been up to?

2:35:05SpeakerI'm doing well out in Spain, in the part safe from the fires, just south of Barcelona. But yeah. On the water, so we have one direction to run. We'll be all right. Not like the palisades, but yeah, doing okay. Doing some advisory work here in the pharma space, focusing on microbiological reduction, having a lot of facilities with failed batches because of these high problems with TAMC and TYMC.

2:35:36SpeakerAnd although they'll throw a lot of mental effort in trying to solve the problem, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:35:54SpeakerYou are able to react and start preventing some of these problems in real time and not just waiting for a COA to see how you are progressing batch to batch. I, for example, collaborating with one of the larger LPs in Canada, They produce seven, eight tons a month, 150 flowering rooms, and they have like a very, very, very high rejected internal battery that needs to be sent off to remediation.

2:36:23SpeakerAnd it's somewhere between like 20 and 30%. Obviously, I can't say who. So these types of challenges become a strict bottleneck for lots of producers, and oftentimes they get kind of They just give up and they just accept it as a reality. And then they send it off to remediation and they have to spend money on that. And they usually get a little bit lower price point for that type of flower that's gone through that process as well.

2:36:51SpeakerSo the idea is to start treating things upstream and start working with things that can in real time Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:37:26SpeakerYou know, electronic signals. So the moment it starts installing on your lines, you start getting a hit. You can introduce a cleaning system and then you can start revising your your water treatment system upstream and putting these biofilm monitors across your facility. You know, before your water treatment, after the water treatment, before your skid, after your skid, kind of just gives you a baseline and a true interpretation of any type of threat that's being installed in your lines.

2:37:56SpeakerThat's one of the major choke points for microbiology is the threats that are in this type of water. And it's normally forming and developing on the surface of the lines, not in the water itself. There's different types of bacteria that are pre-floating in the water or attaching to the surface of the irrigation lines. It's called sessile or planktonic. And the other is hundreds of times easier to kill and to treat as well as detecting.

2:38:25SpeakerSo it's the one that's forming on the surface of the lines that are the trickiest and the scariest. And this is a I guess like an ultimate safety net to be able to detect it and to start doing something about it. So that's one of the cool things that we're working on. We're also using air particle counters regularly now and we're mapping our airborne threats. Depending on the particle size on the micron of it, we're able to correlate it to different types of threats, whether it be like a dust or a And then once we have a baseline, then you're able to go in with an air sampler and get a real picture of what exactly the thread is.

2:39:06SpeakerAnd then you start plugging holes and You know, tracing the threats all the way from outside of your facility, through your anteroom, all the way through your production process and then release. So that's one of the other things that allows you to have an idea of some of the threats, the invisible threats that are affecting batches as well. So yeah, that's just some of the stuff.

2:39:32BubblemanSo that's incredible, dude. I love the idea of perceiving the unperceivable, right? These are the things that most people just aren't perceiving. Like you say, they just end up giving up. They just end up like just allowing it to become systemic and a massive problem in the facility. And it's like, The fact that you know the terminology and it's like these biofilms and now we've located them and it's like these are, you know, they're vectors for these particular, you know, problems that can occur and now you're measuring the air and like, and then obviously creating an audit process for the SOPs that are taken into place so that the audit can find, you know, any weaknesses or any vectors that allow for these contaminations to occur.

2:40:13SpeakerIt's complicated. yeah yeah i mean normally it's three things right normally it's the facility retrofit uh company culture and equipment that you see right and and just being able to to map how threats are entering the facility why they're replicating um uh it's you know just the lens um that you have to like sift through right so Eventually you find the choke points. Usually there's several. Some are going to be more critical than others.

2:40:47SpeakerBut the idea is often the throw the kitchen sink approach. But first you must go and dig deep, right? So this is a fun challenge, but It's curious because oftentimes these companies will have dedicated scientists and sometimes engineers or people who work in the pharma space previously. These are smart people. They dedicate enough time and resource. They should be able to solve these problems. However, they aren't.

2:41:16SpeakerAnd sometimes I chalk it down to potentially flying the airplane and it's hard to Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:52SpeakerIs to get yourself a UVA flashlight. You can get a good one on Amazon for 80 bucks, 100 bucks, 200 bucks with a lens on. Not UVC, UVA. And hitting the walls or surfaces at a 45 degree angle will illuminate any type of threats. You can use them when you turn off the lights in your grow rooms to identify mildew or botrytis that is growing early. You can also use it in the post-harvest process to sift through flowers.

2:42:21SpeakerA curious note is that Botrytis infestation is not always as visible as you might think. So we normally think that Botrytis is very visible when you crop open the flower, like if it's covered in Botrytis or even if it's just a little bit, you can see it, right? And just with a bare eye. I've had cases where doing that same process with a flower that looked absolutely perfect and then with the UVA flashlight just seeing absolute just mess, a fuzz inside that flower that wasn't on the outside really made me think that this type of thread is not always seen.

2:42:58SpeakerI've used these before on these flashlights on the trays that they use in the pharma drying process where they're Thank you for joining us today.

2:43:29SpeakerAnd then one of the cooler things that we're working on now is something called ATP bioluminescence, where we're using a swabbing technique on surfaces to verify how effective our cleaning or disinfection process was. So after you're cleaning your grow room, after you reset, after Thank you for joining us.

2:44:12SpeakerAnd a type of bioluminescence light is shown upon it. And you can quantify the amount of organic matter that's left on the swab and tell you if your cleaning procedure needs to be verified or validated or repeated or updated. So that's another cool little way that we're bringing a little bit of better data to this type of microbiology process.

2:44:41BubblemanFucking awesome, man. It's super important. You know, people can complain and bitch and whine and moan about large companies that are pumping out massive amounts of herb, but you're actually helping them make it cleaner. You know, like just like create the SOPs, create the protocols, create the audits, create the thing is, is a lot of people would not have any idea how to execute this and to create those protocols, let alone if they did, they would probably not know how to then create an auditing system that could allow you to find the holes or the gaps or, you know, whatever's kind of missing there.

2:45:18BubblemanSo it's super important. Even for smaller companies that are, you know, also, I say this all the time because there's the righteous in Canada are like, I would never, You know, Rad Source, My Flower. And it's like, what if you were like a small batch company that just did like 25 kilos? And if you had to throw it away or turn it into distillate, it would bankrupt your company.

2:45:40SpeakerAnd can I say in defense of Rad Source, by the way, they get a lot of flack.

2:45:44BubblemanI know.

2:45:46SpeakerBut it's used on blood that is for immunocompromised patients. So, I mean, it can't be all that appropriate. Thank you. Thank you.

2:46:16SpeakerIt's the rescue awful and terrible flower. Often it's just done as a standard, even on flower that would have passed.

2:46:24BubblemanIf it was only to rescue, it would almost be like, in my mind, I'm just like, oh, you know, you're a desperate, you're a small company, you're trying to build yourself up. You'd want to have something available like that, but it becomes a double-edged sword where big companies are like, I don't need to worry about any of that. I just rad source everything. Because there are companies that do that.

2:46:45SpeakerYeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, like in Europe, it's country dependent. Like in Spain, everything needs to go through Ionesis, which is E-beam, right? Every single batch, right? So in Portugal, you'll have an option to do cryopasteurization or radiofrequency or everything else. So the companies, they'll just find the best way for their product. They'll validate a process and they'll go through with it. Or they'll find a partner that can do it for them.

2:47:09SpeakerBut at the end of the day, it's common in particular with greenhouse grown flour that it's not going to comply with the European pharmacopeia that's for inhalable products. If I believe it's correct, it's 518B. So usually it will be compliant with 518C, but it still might need to get treated. In order to be able to enter the German market or the UK market or whatever.

2:47:33BubblemanRandy Watson says he only smokes blood that hasn't been irradiated.

2:47:42BubblemanThat's funny. Listen, I know eBeam. There was an eBeam company next to my lab in Delta and we went over there and did a bunch of experiments with them because we were just curious. They were like, no, you don't need to freeze dry your material. You can just eBeam it. And I'm like, that sounds incorrect. But we went and did some experiments where we brought some bubble over there and we eBeamed it in this giant fucking nuclear fucking looking machine where you open the door and Get it in there.

2:48:05BubblemanAnd I got a bunch of videos and photos of it. But yeah, it definitely affected the hash in a negative way. Like it was not for drying it, for using it as a dryer.

2:48:16SpeakerOh, yeah.

2:48:17BubblemanWell, yeah, that was the experiments. They just thought they might be able to fit into a new part of it because I told them they were they visited my facility and they were looking at all the freeze dryers and they was like, these look like. A lot. And I'm like, yeah, they're expensive. They're finicky. They break easy. Most people have very little understanding of how lyophilization and sublimation works.

2:48:36BubblemanOr, you know, not just the philosophy, but also the mechanics of the equipment. And so just all of those lack of understandings on both sides cause problems when people use them. And that ends up making them get broken. And the guy was like, well, maybe we can dry the hash. And so we went and did some experiments and it was it was not good. But still fun.

2:48:59BubblemanI like, you know, you never know when you're going to discover something or learn. I would rather not keep myself like a stone in my brain where I think I know everything and I know what's best for not because who the fuck in their right mind would have ever discovered rosin if they thought like that? Because when we first released rosin, how many of those BHO guys were like, oh, the rosin, You're heating that shit to 180 degrees or 200 originally and they were like yeah that's destroying all the volatile organic compounds.

2:49:26BubblemanIn the meantime I've got rosin in my hand that I crack open and it reeks on the other side of the football stadium. It's like yeah that's a misnomer. There are things in life that are counterintuitive to how the intelligent mind thinks. And then the most intelligence of minds have to recognize that because the more you learn, it's hard not to become like, I know this. I know this, trust me.

2:49:51BubblemanIt's like, yeah, but like, do you know the thing right between the thing you know and the other thing you know? Because I think there's a slice in there that you haven't discovered yet.

2:50:02SpeakerMarcus, this reminds me of a lesson I learned when I was in Morocco, and I was wondering why the plants were grown so densely packed together. And then later on, I learned through an agronomist explaining to me that by doing so, those plants are creating a microclimate, they're releasing moisture, and that moisture is keeping them cool. And if you had... If you separated the plants anymore, they would just all, you know, all that humidity would just, well, the humidity would be released a lot faster.

2:50:34SpeakerThe microclimate would be lessened because of lesser plants. So they would have even less water. Yeah, yeah. And one of the really cool things that that Osama Baddad was working with Trilogene and polyploidy and triploids is that triploids will have less stomata. So they'll, they'll be able, they'll release water slower. So in drought conditions, they can tolerate.

2:50:57BubblemanI think I saw that someone talking about that. That is cool.

2:51:04BubblemanDude, this is what I'm talking about here. Well, we got 10 more minutes I want to talk. I'm going to cut it short today and do a three hour because I still have to go to Mock Technologies or to their partner's warehouse there and make sure I have my course all organized for tomorrow. But this is great, man. Great conversation. This is the stuff that Hash Church gobbles up, dude.

2:51:24BubblemanYou know, the understanding of this and honestly, you know, important work that you're doing that I'll definitely keep, you know, if I see this as a problem in any of the places that I'm in, I'll definitely get them in touch with you, dude, because that is there's so many false consultants in this business in cannabis. There's so like everyone's a consultant. But like to me, a consultant should save their clients like five to 10x on what they're being paid minimum.

2:51:52SpeakerI'm certainly not talking about extra yields or terpenes. We talk about risk mitigation, protect your investment, protect your license. That's it.

2:52:03BubblemanYeah. Well, that's it is pretty important. Do you know what I mean? And it's also part, the most important thing beyond any of the business bullshit is that like, it's the right way to, it's right. It's like, yeah, you shouldn't sell shitty product. You shouldn't grow midsy weed. You shouldn't, we have to figure this out. Just because we went too big doesn't mean, it doesn't matter how big you go.

2:52:26BubblemanHow big you go just means you'll probably find the mistakes fast. And they and some of them may be difficult to get over. But Dave Watson told me many, many years ago, he's like, I don't care how big it is. I can grow you top quality, full mount, six star resin in a field. You know, it doesn't have to be everything doesn't have to be controlled. It doesn't and it doesn't.

2:52:46BubblemanPeople are afraid of scaling. And I get it because when you scale. You know, problems and vectors can become like monsters.

2:52:55SpeakerYou gotta know what you're doing. You know, Scott Blake, he proved it in Switzerland in the early 2000s when he did those huge fields and it was just for essential oil production, right? It's like, what? That was, that was nuts. If you ever see those videos where he's just driving on a truck and it's just endless greenhouses.

2:53:13BubblemanI went to some of those greenhouses. I went and visited him in early 2000 with Gypsy Nirvana and Bog, and I went to the greenhouses in Ticino or Bellinzona. I think he was in Bellinzona.

2:53:23SpeakerI think Campione maybe.

2:53:25BubblemanWell, Campione was across the water, Lago Lugano. That was on the other, over there. That's where Howard buried his Mr. Nice passport when he was like on the run. If you read Mr. Nice, in a park in Campione is where Howard buried his Mr. Nice passport. And a fan actually went and found it. And I don't know how the fuck they found it, but it's in the newest version that he wrote of that book.

2:53:51BubblemanHe says, yeah, the passport has since been found. But I've been to Campeon, but it wasn't in Campeon. It was down in Bella Zona. It was south of Lugano.

2:54:01SpeakerYeah.

2:54:02BubblemanAnd beautiful, beautiful. It was one of the most beautiful greenhouses. The one that we went through was all Callio. Every plant was like a Christmas tree. They were like a day away from being cut down. And I was just like, what is going on here? And he's like, I'm like, what's your secret? He's like, well, I don't hire smokers. These are all rose, rose farmers. I'm like rose farmers.

2:54:23BubblemanHe's like, yeah, they're fucking exceptional growers and they listen. And he's like, growers can be exceptional growers, but the one thing they can't do is listen. Thank you for watching.

2:54:49BubblemanBecause roses, you know, they're constantly pricking their fingers and you got those thick gloves on and they grew. It was their first crop, too, that these rose growers that he hired in Switzerland that had never grown cannabis ever in their lives. He just told them what to do. And he's like, they actually he's like, he's like, it's actually.

2:55:05SpeakerAnd, you know, Marcus, though, curiously, the rose is is I think like the only crop that is most similar to cannabis in the way that it sweats from the inside out, all other crops will be able to condense and drip down, right? Like an apple or strawberry water can drip down. Water needs to be eliminated from the inside out in cannabis and in roses. So when we talk about farms that are going to be taken over for a retrofit, usually like my favorites are going to be rose farms and rose growers absolutely going to have the knowledge to, you know, to transition over easiest.

2:55:38SpeakerBecause I've had raspberry and tomato growers. I got a tomato grower once at an operation in Portugal, and he was trying to train a plant in veg and removing the suckers, like with a tomato. And I'm like, why would you do that? It's just, well, it works in tomatoes. So you got to be careful. It works in tomatoes.

2:55:58BubblemanWe're not growing tomatoes, actually.

2:56:01SpeakerIt's a different type of crop. That's a 10-month crop. Cannabis is seven weeks. Yeah. Totally incomparable.

2:56:06BubblemanA lot of people in BC, they took over these hothouse greenhouses. They got involved with the hothouse community and they grow all the peppers and the tomatoes for Japan and Asia. Huge, huge industry in British Columbia. And a lot of cannabis companies moved in there and they were like, oh, we're going to like retrofit these greenhouses and grow weed. And it's like, guess what? You can't just grow weed in those greenhouses.

2:56:27BubblemanLike they are set up. The whole system and the style and everything about it is just not ideal. It's ideal for Thank you for joining us.

2:56:56SpeakerYou can look them up. I won't say their name. But the biggest licensed producer in Spain currently stopped operation and all production in their greenhouse in the months of July and August because it's 52 degrees Celsius in there. So besides R&D and maintaining moms, they stopped production. They realized that they were just fighting a losing battle every harvest. So they just gave up July and August. They just stopped.

2:57:16BubblemanWell, that's actually really smart to come up with that, you know, like at least that To try and fight that 52 degrees Celsius. Well, we're just going to move in some chillers. We've got about 400,000 chillers coming in. There's no room for people. We're just going to like turn the air conditions on. Like you just can't control that. Like 52 degrees is people die in 52 degree weather.

2:57:38SpeakerYeah I mean you can you there are some exceptional workers that they hire in the south of Spain that's the part where you can see from from space all those crazy greenhouses um I mean they hire I've worked with Nepalese uh people who withstand heat like I mean like it's nothing um they bring these people from from from all over the world and it's but still at some point it's inhumane and and for the flowers they're just the medicinal value is gone right so there's just no point Yeah.

2:58:07BubblemanYeah. Well, it makes sense for sure. Well, listen, thanks for coming on, dude. I appreciate you. Good to see you again, Etienne. It was good to have Stefan on. Like I said, I met Stefan 25 years ago, also in Lugano, making hash and visiting Visiting grow rooms and stuff and greenhouses and fields. So shout out to him. Shout out to Dom from Inexo for coming in and sharing the hazes.

2:58:31BubblemanLooks like we just lost Xavier, but shout out to Xavier for coming and sharing what he just shared. Really appreciate all of that. Shout out to this guy for showing up and bringing some hash and just being an all around good dude. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course, man. And the beard mic.

2:58:46Etienne FontanI mean, you can't not love the beard mic.

2:58:48BubblemanDude, the beard mic is baller. I didn't even realize for like the first half an hour that he was sitting there with it. But yes, definitely big shout out to Puffco, the fine folks at Puffco. Go support them if you can as well. The Press Club. I'm going to try and have a Press Club episode. I'd love to have an episode with a bunch of the Puffco people and the Press Club people.

2:59:07BubblemanOur sponsorship episode. Just have them come on. I'd love to hear how Chelsea's doing. I know she's... She's got cancer right now. So if you go follow Chelsea at Puffco and you can watch her go through this journey. She's a fighter. She's a strong woman. And I have no doubt about it that she's going to kick cancer's ass all over the jujitsu mats as she does practice jujitsu.

2:59:31BubblemanYeah, thanks, Michigan. Thanks, Mach Technologies and Luke Costello for bringing me out and having me. I'll see all of you guys tomorrow at the course. And I'll be cruising around Michigan. So if you're in Michigan, hit me up. You never know if you've got some nice dabs you want to hit. I've got a list of people that I just keep hitting up every time I'm in a new place.

2:59:50BubblemanAnd then they'll just tell me, holy shit, like he was the first person I said, I'm going to the Auburn. Is that are you close to that? He's like, yeah, I'm like, I can drive there. No problem. Like, Great, let's do it. So Michigan or the mitten as they call it, right? This is how people tell you where they live in the mitten. Where are we in the mitten right now?

3:00:06Aaron WaiteI think we're, are you facing the right direction? There you go. So we're like, we're down here.

3:00:11BubblemanRight, because down here is Ohio. Ohio, yep. And then over here, no, over here is Canada.

3:00:16Aaron WaiteYep, Canada's over here, so Toronto's like over here.

3:00:19BubblemanSo yeah, Michigan's safe like a hand. They call it the mitten, and they all show each other where they live on the mitten, so.

3:00:25Etienne FontanThat's like in West Virginia, except in West Virginia, we've got the northern panhandle. Them's fighting words. No, that's Pennsylvania and Ohio.

3:00:35BubblemanOkay, shit.

3:00:37Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, that's that's that's Ohio over here, Pennsylvania over here. So there you go. All right. I just I also want to shout out because we lost somebody this week to cancer, Luke Kohler from Lead Singer for Sick of It All. So shout out to him, friends and family and the whole Alleyway crew there in New York City. Shout out to New York City fam.

3:01:01BubblemanMay the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later, everyone. We will see you next Sunday. I think I'll be back in British Columbia, maybe in Kelowna, maybe in Lions Bay. We'll see. Thanks for coming out, everybody. Till next time. We'll see you when we see you. Peace out.

3:01:20BubblemanRecording stopped.

3:01:22Etienne FontanLove you. Be safe. You too, brother.

3:01:24BubblemanSee you, Tian. Be safe.

3:01:27Etienne FontanEnd stream.

3:01:28BubblemanPeace.