Cannabis Evolution, Genome Technology and Robert Connell Clark on Hashish Origins

0:02BubblemanWell, welcome everybody on this beautiful Sunday, December the 21st, four days before Christmas to Hash Church. Welcome everyone. So good to have you all. I know that, well, we've got a good amount of people sitting in the chat right now. We've got Prophet Marcus, of course, St. Thomas, William Koopman. Bad X, Dab 720, Odella Dabs, Bob is back. And I would just like to say hello to all of you and thank you for coming this wonderful morning.

0:33BubblemanI have just sent out the link to Mr. Robert Connell Clark. And Mr. Robert Connell Clark should be showing up sooner than later here in Hash Church. I just sent him the link and he's going to talk a little bit today about his new book. I say new, but he's been writing it for 17 years, if you can imagine. 17 years. That's a serious amount of time for a book.

0:58BubblemanSo he wrote this book in conjunction with another gentleman. I don't have his name right off the bat, but I will mention him later. I believe it's Mark something. And so they wrote this book, and they have a new theory, and they're going to tell us all about it.

1:10SpeakerWelcome, everybody, on this beautiful Sunday, December the 21st, four days before Christmas.

1:18BubblemanTo Hash Church. Welcome everyone. So good to have you all.

1:22SpeakerI don't know where that's coming from.

1:24BubblemanWe've got a good amount of people sitting in the chat right now. Like I have no idea where that's coming from right now. St. Thomas, William Koopman, Bad X, Dab 720, Odella Dabs, Bob is back. I would just like to say hello to all of you and thank you for coming this wonderful morning.

1:40SpeakerWhere am I picking this up from?

1:41BubblemanI have just sent out the link to Mr. Robert Connell-Clark.

1:49SpeakerThank you.

3:36BubblemanAll right, well, I guess I'm back. That was very strange. Sorry about the technical difficulty, guys. I somehow had, I guess I had a Vimeo page opened on a full screen, and for whatever reason, it was, my voice was coming through, and there was nowhere for me to stop my voice from coming through. So, I apologize for the technical difficulties. I do hope that it will be the same for Rob.

4:01BubblemanWe'll just make sure, because we're trying to get him in this morning.

4:09BubblemanAll right, let's see what we got here. Sorry for not being right on the ball here, guys. It's a little bit of work. And there we go. Send that off, send that off. Boom, back to, oh, I guess I lost the Google Chat again. There we go. All right, all right. Google Chat, we're in. I'm about to go into the YouTube chat so I can see all you guys because I lost you guys as well.

4:38BubblemanOf course, that's gone now because the live chat has started. So we'll have to look somewhere else for it. I'm really excited about Hash Church today, guys. I think it's going to be a real good one. I'll send the link out soon to Horatio. I guess I better get on that. And send it out to a few other friends. It's quite a bit for me to do.

5:02BubblemanAnd then I've got all my friends texting me as well for troubleshooting. Every single week they ask me for troubleshooting. And every single week I ask them, please don't ask me to troubleshoot.

5:13SpeakerI'm just too busy.

5:16BubblemanOh, there we go. A more dramatic entry. Nice. All right. So, Tony, Johnny, Gibbs, Dane,

5:30BubblemanHoratio. All right, that should be good for now. And let's see, are we going to get Mr. Rob Clark in here? I guess I'm going to start with a bowl. You know, it's Hash Church. Been a little bit of a stressful time getting into everything organized and getting all this started. So I have the tiniest little bowl of the CBD Renee left. And that's what we're going to start Hash Church with today.

5:58BubblemanOkay, so here's a beautiful thing. My denail is actually on at 75 degrees right now. It was not turned on. So I'm just turning it on now. Click, and now you can see she's going to go up. So one of the things I love about the denail product is how fast I can turn it on and how fast I can turn it off. Man, you said it, Bob Marley, mad multitasking skills.

6:25BubblemanI'm answering questions from buddies. I'm getting us up on... I have to...

6:30SpeakerIt's actually 75 degrees right now. How's it going, Horatio? So I'm just turning it on now.

6:37BubblemanHow's it going, John? You're going to get muted until my voice doesn't come through your microphone anymore. Big huge surprise on that one. And we're almost heated up to par here. You guys are coming in puffing. Where's your puffing there, Horatio?

6:54SpeakerJust warming up. It's so Sunday morning. Let's see what I got.

6:59BubblemanYou should have seen me two minutes ago. I was tripping balls. I started the Hash Church, and then, like John, the YouTube video was on, and it started late, and my voice started coming through, which is never really a big problem. I usually just close it right away. But I had a Vimeo page opened full screen to the left or right of my Mac screen, so it wasn't there.

7:21BubblemanYou had to kind of click on Firefox, and then it would slide over. But there was no actual way to close that box, and that box had the YouTube in it. So I actually had to stop the broadcast. I was like, ah, fuck! So you guys missed the drama. Oh, I saw it. I couldn't get in. No, but I turned it off pretty much.

7:45SpeakerYeah, I watched the first three minutes. I was like, no audio, eh?

7:50BubblemanWell, we're working now, buddy. We're working now. We got audio. We already have 110 people in the room with us. And we are just awaiting Mr. Robert Connell-Clark to slide into chat here. And I'm really going to kind of put it on Rob this morning. We're going to let him do some talking. We'll ask him a few questions and kind of lead him into his theories and let him tell us a little bit about...

8:14BubblemanWell, we'll start with a little bit about the evolution and ethnobotany of cannabis, but then obviously we're going to get into some marijuana botany, and we're of course going to get into some hashish. So, boom.

8:39BubblemanYeah, I got all red in the face.

8:43BubblemanWelcome, Mr. Clark. Diarrhea, it's rata bubbles. You are in the church with Johnny B, Horatio, and Bubble Man. Right on. Right on. I had a little bit of technical difficulty this morning, but I think we're past that. We've got 125 people watching in the room with us right now.

9:10BubblemanA lot of them are chatting in the YouTube chat that you won't see here. It's a little bit difficult to do the multitasking of going back and forth. So what I'll do is I'll ask anyone that has questions for Rob, or for anyone for that matter, to please put your question in all capital letters in the YouTube chat, and that way I can see it as I'm kind of looking back and forth, and we can...

9:38BubblemanWe can make sure that your questions get answered.

9:41MrThis is way cool. I've never done any of this modern techie church stuff.

9:46BubblemanBut tell everyone what you've been doing for 20 years.

9:50MrAh, yeah. Well, enjoying the sacrament, of course.

9:55BubblemanYeah, the other day you said every Sunday.

9:58MrEvery Sunday. I send smoke signals to the Vatican.

10:03SpeakerYes.

10:03MrCome on, man. All the Rustas do it. It's the thing to do. And now we've got Paco at the helm. You know, maybe he's even listening to us. We never know. So, yeah, keep it up.

10:16BubblemanSomeone just said, are you cold, Rob? And I answered, yeah, he's freezing.

10:21MrYeah, I'm in Southern California, but let me tell you, it's not a normal SoCal year. It's been raining and it's cold, man. I'm sitting in the sun and I'm cold.

10:30BubblemanYeah, that's insane. So we got Johnny B's in chat. You met him in Amsterdam with me. And we also have Horatio. He's a friend of mine who came up with using D-limonene as a solvent to extract oil.

10:50MrAll right. Heard about you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

10:57BubblemanVery, very different, you know. Something different, Rob.

11:02BubblemanWhat? Just the D-limonene extract, you know, it's just something that I had never, I've been like, what, you're using a terpene to extract? I mean, what other terpenes will we be able to use to extract resins, and will there be terpenes that have less of an intense smell than D-limonene? Because some terpenes are a lot more, I don't know what the word is, I call it volatile, and I think of it as raspy or intense.

11:29SpeakerTo extract oil.

11:32BubblemanBoom. Quick on that. Welcome, Darren. I just muted you because the YouTube voice was coming through on the loop. So, you met D420K yesterday, Mr. Dry Sift General, making up the dry sift in Prince George. Good morning. Good morning, good morning, good morning. Permanently High says good morning. And Par Offit Marcus and The Kind Brew and the One Pound Club. SoCal in the House, 818.

12:01BubblemanThat's it. Rate 1.8. And we got lots of people in from Europe and from all around the world, so it's all different times while we sit here and we discuss. I mean, I guess we're going to start church with some sacraments. I think we should all send smoke signals to the Vatican. Absolutely. I mean, it seems like the thing to do.

12:21SpeakerAbsolutely. Can I interrupt here for a second? Okay. I made some of the diesel. I made a batch of diesel. Um, dry sift last night. Ooh. And, and, uh, I'm just waiting to nail the heat up. Just got out to the shop here. That fucking taste on that diesel was literally like almost a life-changing fucking event, man. It was so powerful. Holy fucking shit. What flavor. What a buzz.

12:55SpeakerI couldn't believe it. I called my, I texted my buddy. I got him to come over last night, like midnight. And he never leaves the house after 9. He'd come over, mess him, and my bro, his son, Vince, he's in the background, he'd come over here to make a batch of dry sip today on my screens and give him a little lesson on stuff. He's pretty smart.

13:19SpeakerHe's got a lot of things. He's probably going to be teaching me today with this stuff. So, yeah.

13:24BubblemanAwesome. Well, let's hit that sacrament. Yeah. We're sending smoke signals to the Vatican. Your D-nail must be lit up by now.

13:33SpeakerYeah, it's almost 500.

13:36BubblemanAll right. I'm fucking hitting it. It's time for some Legends of Hashish.

13:44SpeakerThree hours later, I'm still like, I'm feeling it.

13:46BubblemanIt's there.

13:47SpeakerYeah.

14:00BubblemanWow, I really need to clean my nail. It's dirty as fuck.

14:09BubblemanSo someone had sent me these really cool Ten Commandments, Rob, the Ten Commandments of Hash Church, and I can't find them for the life of me, but man, were they classic. I read them in one of the Hash Churches some years, some years, some weeks ago. I can't remember which one it was, but If you're listening out there, guy that sent me the Ten Commandments of Hash or the Ten Hashmandments, please send those again because they were awesome and I really would love to read them every time that we do this Hash Church because it's comedy.

14:44BubblemanSo Rob, I was watching your talk today. I had caught it a few times, your talk, and I had seen it. But really watching it today, I was able to kind of like just get more of a grasp on one of the things that made me laugh for sure was the NLD. The NLD term, the narrow leaf, what is it, narrow leaf drug?

15:13MrNarrow leaf drug, yes, that's what distinguishes them, they're druggy ones.

15:17BubblemanYes. So Rob's gone in, everyone who's watching Hash Church, 145 people at this point in time. Rob's gone into this, let's just say, a lot deeper than most people have thought about it. And I think it's because of what he's been living for the last 30 plus years and the experiences that he's been able to have, especially in his travels, because for those of you that don't know, Rob travels an enormous amount.

15:46BubblemanI wouldn't even guess at how many countries that he's been to, but I would guess that it's in a very high number. He's a traveler, and so he gets to see the cultures, the indigenous people, and he gets to hear the history differently than you would hear it if you were to, say, read it in a book. He gets to experience that history. And I guess that experience over these years, because you wrote that book over the course of 17 years, if I'm not correct.

16:16BubblemanThat's unbelievable.

16:19MrYeah, Mark and I worked on it for 17 years. We met at a... Mark Merlin, he's my co-author. He's a professor at the University of Hawaii, teaches psychoactive drug plant courses. He's a geographer and ethnobotanist, really well-rounded scientist, and a great guy too. He should be on the hash church sometime. He's a real hard case scientist and a really good guy at the same time. So what we study and have always studied is it's the human-cannabis relationship.

16:50MrIt's It's what cannabis has done for us and what we've done with cannabis, you know, as a domesticated plant, as a sacrament, as a fiber, as a seed, as a drug. It's absolutely amazing. And this is a super complex relationship. It takes a lot of study. And if you piece together what others have done, you know, look through the research, and especially since the year 2000, there's just an amazing amount of stuff.

17:18MrThe book's $400,000. Thank you for joining us.

17:43MrIt's our manifesto about the human-cannabis relationship. It's a reference book. We don't expect anybody to read it cover to cover. People have, but it's a grueling experience. But it's there, and there's a lot of information, so check it out. But what we really come down to is you have cannabis as the Holocene epic, the warming of the planet that we're still experiencing, the human epic, if you want.

18:07MrThis is when human cultures really blossom. And this is when... The human-cannabis relationship that we can see, it may go deeper, that's when this all started. Over time, humans have encountered different batches of cannabis. According to our current hypothesis, two basic species, sativa and indica, and humans have molded these plants into what we needed them for. And the species sativa that we're referring to, that would be European hemp, that sort of thing, and then indica is the rest of the planets.

18:42MrNow, cannabis, and this sort of confuses people, but we'll talk more about that later. Back to Mark.

18:48BubblemanJust to reiterate, one thing that you said was a great author by the name of Michael Pollan, who I was discussing in Hash Church earlier, a little bit about the corn dilemma that he wrote about in The Omnivore's Dilemma. He also wrote a book called Botany of Desire, and it really is sort of a beautiful, almost a soliloquy, I think it's in the relation to the most successful plants that cannabis has had, or cannabis, that humans have had, the things that we desired.

19:20BubblemanIt's always our desire, the botany of desire. I think he goes over the potato, the tulip, cannabis, and one apple. The apple. The apple, which wasn't for the sweet, wonderful fruit, as you may think, but it was for the Inebriating booze that it inevitably produced. And Michael Pollan writes beautifully about all of those things. But it's interesting that it is our desire that has shaped cannabis to be what it is today.

19:53MrIt's absolutely true. He does express it well. Michael Pollan has the great skill of bringing... Narrative science writing to the public. Something that Mark's better at than me, too. But I'm really envious. Good work. Yeah, humans, it's a long relationship, and humans everywhere have different desires and different needs. Let me just begin again with how we separate these. We'll finish up with the sativa part of this.

20:25MrYeah. Let me just cut to the chase, guys and gals. The new way of looking at this, right or wrong, Maybe it's wrong. We'll test it out and see. But what makes sense at the moment is... Sorry if I squint occasionally. I'm looking right into the sun. The cannabis sativa is European hemp. We wear sativas. We eat sativas. We love sativas. We don't smoke sativas, okay? That's not what we do.

20:59MrWe smoke indicus. All the stuff we smoke is indicus. We'll talk about that in a minute. Let's get back to sativa. This is a misnomer that came simply because the drug varieties that we call sativas have narrow leaves, at least as opposed to the broadleaf varieties, the Afghan varieties that came on the scene more recently, and they were the different ones, so that caused us to differentiate between the new kids on the block, The Afghans and the old kids on the block, the Indians, the Mexicans, the Colombians, the Jamaicans, the Africans, all big neighborhood, you know, before the Afghans moved in.

21:43MrAnd it's fine, we love the Afghans, but once they moved in, we had to differentiate all the other stuff that came before. And those got called sativas because they had skinny leaves. And if you look at European sativas, You look at the real sativas, cannabis sativa. You look at the escape stuff in the Midwest, same species. It has narrow leaves. The only bugaboo here is it doesn't get you high.

22:08MrIt's not the sacrament. It's protective clothing. It's all kinds of other ritual aspects. Longest chapter in the book is about the non-psychoactive ritual uses of cannabis. We can have a whole church about that. That's rich in cannabis sativa and cannabis indicator. But that's the sativa. Useful. Yeah, useful. It's the useful one. We had good values for it. Not that getting high isn't useful also, but yeah, at the time, that's what Linnaeus had in mind, and that's what he meant.

22:38BubblemanI was just going to ask you about Linnaeus.

22:39MrThe audience will actually, The Indian cannabis indica meant the cannabis from India, hence the name indica. That's the first one seen. Since then, we have the rest. We'll talk about those in a minute. Can you tell them a little bit about Linnaeus? Linnaeus was a Swede, and in the 18th century he named cannabis sativa. He's sort of what they call the father of modern taxonomy. And there were people before him who tried to organize the plant and animal kingdoms and put names on things and figure it all out.

23:12MrBut he's the one who came up with what they call a binomial system, based on Latin and Greek also. You kind of can't have one without the other. But... Yeah, he went through and made the binomial system where you have two names, binomial, and one's the genus name, the one we capitalize, Cannabis, and then you have the other members of the Cannabis family, the Clark family, the Cannabis family, you've got the Robertson, the others, and you've got the Sativa and Indica, and people often talked about Ruderalis.

23:44MrIt's another subset we could talk about, but... Yeah. So that's basically what Linnaeus did for us. But he only named Sativa. Lamarck came along later and named Indica, like 20, 30 years later. And what he meant by that was the cannabis people in Europe hadn't seen before, the stuff that was brought from India that started to have the claims of medicinal value and things like this. And it was a different species.

24:12MrSo he named it Indica. Once again, meaning from India. And it had narrow leaves. Mike, we have to figure out a way on Hash Church maybe to show pictures or do it through a YouTube channel. You know, I could show illustrative photos of all of this.

24:26BubblemanYeah, absolutely. Well, I was going to mention to people if they wanted to, because it's not technologically impossible, you can open the YouTube video on the front page of Bubble Man's World and it's Rob's talk at the High Times Cannabis Cup this last year at the Milk Vag in Amsterdam. And you can, if you go through that talk and you just zip through it, there's really like everything Rob's talking about is in that video.

24:49BubblemanAnd there's photos of each thing in it. And I have to admit, even before he said that, the photos really helped me understand this.

24:57SpeakerAnd keep in mind, a lot of people are already like, oh, I don't know about this new theory of Rob's and

25:02BubblemanAnd it's just like, well, you know, but isn't it interesting that the old theory, or at least the information that Rob put forward in the past, why everyone knows what they know anyway. So why would they be so unwilling to listen? In my opinion, I'm willing to listen. Because it all sounds very interesting, and you have a greater perspective on it than most people.

25:25MrWell, I just have seen a lot more. But, you know, let me tell you, Science is a work in progress. Science is not religion. You don't write a Bible 2,000 years ago and expect everybody to believe it still. It changes all the time. And I'll give you a great example for that. If anybody's followed my writings for a long time, I was convinced in botany and ecology of cannabis and marijuana botany that we should call bracts calyxes.

25:57MrOkay, everybody called them Calyxes for years. And then I came out with Ashish right now. No, no, sorry, they're Bracks, actually. Sorry about that, everybody. You know, okay. I changed my mind. That's what science is about. You learn things, and even if it's a nomenclature thing like that, where you just try to figure out the Greek and the Latin, you can get it wrong. The calyx is actually a little mottled seed coat, as people call it, around the outside of a seed.

26:22MrThey're really pretty patterns and things. That's actually the calyx. The bract is a modified leaf covered with resin glands. It looks just like the leaves below it. So, duh. But I got it wrong. Now I got it right. This hypothesis is just... It's just an idea. It's a model to work with. That's all it is.

26:40BubblemanWell, it's excellent that you can recognize that and sort of bring it. To me, language is not an underestimation. I believe that language manifests reality. And if you don't have the words right, you're not going to manifest the reality you want. So it's important that we have the right nomenclature and the proper wording for the things that we say because we know that the things that we say create the reality around us.

27:10MrIt's very true. Very true. The only strange thing about this is people probably will, it makes sense when you look at it. This system answers a lot of the basic questions like where's Ruderalis? Well, it's gone. It's a hypothetical ancestor. There's nothing genetically to show that we have Ruderalis. Fine, we have things called Ruderalis to serve their function. They've been brought into breeding programs, etc., etc., but they probably weren't Ruderalis to start with.

27:41MrThey were actually... Irony of it all, narrow leaf temp. What auto flowering, what early flowering and auto flowering, as they're now called varieties, are based on is a hybrid between indica, whatever indica was used to provide the drug side, And the early flowering or continuous flowering or however it's gone in the course of breeding these things has come from various forms of narrow leaf temp. It's actually a sativa-indica hybrid.

28:11MrIt might be one of the only ones on the planet. So that's kind of cool. Once you get your head around the system, then you can bend it to apply to all kinds of different situations. And it really will start to make more sense. You guys could ask me some questions in a bit. We'll figure it out. One thing I want to mention, though, real quick, We're in the next step of trying to figure all this out.

28:33MrThis is a delicate subject and I want everybody to get this straight right away. We are going to work to find the answers to our evolutionary questions and to educate people about what varieties they smoke and as a way of identifying medicines for people so they have repeatable medicines to use. Each time they want to treat their indication, we're going to use genome technology. Now listen, you guys.

29:02MrGenome sounds a lot like GM, which makes people go, Monsanto! We're not with Monsanto. We're not doing GM. And we are getting genome technology, what's now called next-gen technology, to analyze the genomes. It's going on right now of hundreds, nearly a thousand dispensary samples from around the United States. And we're seeing what the gene profile, fingerprint is not quite the right word, this is a little more advanced than that, but see what these profiles look like.

29:40MrAnd they're data, okay? They're not genes. And even if you had the genes, you can't make organizms out of a test tube full of genes. That's science fiction, okay? But you can get information about plants. And the next step with this that I'd invite you all to participate in, if you have other questions about this, please contact me. I'm easy to contact these days. I'm at CannabisDNA at Yahoo.com.

30:08MrCannabis DNA, one word, no little subscripts or hyphens or anything, just Cannabis DNA at yahoo.com. And I'll explain it all to you. What we're looking for to root this, instead of just having a sort of a network of data of all these modern varieties, which as you all understand are completely inbred, if you look at all the different Parts of the modern cannabis medical and recreational genome, it's a deck of cards.

30:43MrAnd they can all be shuffled so many ways. And you're going to see in the data that's being collected now, I think, my prediction is, our prediction is, that you're going to end up with a big network and not very many loci, not very many... Density places in this cloud of data. It's going to be hard to work with. So we want to root this in the building blocks that made the varieties we have today.

31:09MrThose are called Landrace varieties. They were both NLD, narrow leaf drug varieties, majoritively they were, and then more recently Afghan varieties, but... Living examples of these are rare. The hybrids survived. The original land races are not so common. We'd love to have materials from plants from those, dry leaf material or something, but we don't need that. And we don't need to grow plants to do this. We're not going to grow people's seeds, but we'd like seeds.

31:41MrAnd we have flowers from dispensaries, but for this next level of work, to build this genome tree, this evolutionary tree, We need to use dead seeds. I'm calling this the magic cigar box. This is what your dad, probably, or your granddad had stuck under the bed, and he never got around to planting, but he still got those really cool Acapulco gold seeds, or the Panama Red seeds, or the, you know, we all had them.

32:12MrThat's what all these are based on. But we'd like to get those old dead seeds, and even a dead seed you can take enough DNA out of to... Put together useful information. So please get involved in this project. I can't talk about the whole thing now to take the whole church. But write and ask me questions. That's the first way we start with this. Because people, as soon as I start mentioning this, they freak out and pull the Monsanto deal.

32:37MrAnd I'm tired of it. You know, read. Get educated. Don't just do knee jerk reactions to modern technology.

32:45BubblemanListen, Rob, I literally just had this conversation in chat earlier, and it was something that Daryl Hudson had told me. This is a young kid with a Ph.D. that's doing all sorts of consulting around the world for cannabis right now. You know what? I really like him. He's a smart kid, and for his Ph.D., He did a GMO on rice and I was like, what? A GMO?

33:09BubblemanAnd he's like, yeah, see your reaction? Like, that's the reaction Monsanto paid for you to have. And I was like, what are you talking about? And he said, well, basically Monsanto has made getting a GMO so difficult. What Monsanto first does with their genetically modified foods are they infiltrate our food source With toxic chemicals that give us diseases and kill us. So that's called Roundup and other chemicals that are like Roundup.

33:36BubblemanThey work that into the seed, into the food, and it comes right into the food. That's what their genetically modified version is. But there are scientists and people out there who are actually trying to modify food to say feed more people, have a higher quality of protein, not using weird chemicals but using genetics. And so this guy is one of them. He developed this rice. And he said because of Monsanto funding all the lobbying against GMOs, they're the biggest funder of anti-GMO lobbies.

34:09BubblemanAnd why they did that is because they made it cost about $500 million and about 800 flaming loops to jump through to get a GMO patent. So they can do that all day long. They've got... Hundreds of them. But anyone else, any normal person that has a breakthrough with food source, that's able to say feed a country that doesn't have food, well they're never going to get that fucking passed ever.

34:37BubblemanSo how evil is that?

34:39MrYeah. No, you're right. It's a disinformation campaign. I think they operate by that there's no publicity is bad publicity. And they just steamroller over everybody. I had a hair up my ass about this whole thing for years. It started with me with Seba Geigy. I mean, this is from a European perspective, but Seba bought up Inland Central. They bought up a lot of the family seed companies.

35:09MrYou know, years ago, the American and Canadian family seed companies and all the European ones. And they brought them together into giant seed companies. So they own... Basically, just by marketing rights, the genetics for a lot of the varieties of even vegetables and things, like garden vegetables you might buy, these guys actually own them. So, that's kind of weird. I mean, not too much evil has come out of it so far, but they hold all the cards.

35:34MrSee, what people forget about cannabis varieties is there's nothing protectable. There's no protection. They're in the public domain. They're already out there, guys. Your clones are out. Your seeds are out. It's history. If you want to protect things in the future, you're going to have to create new things, and you're going to have to have a system where you can protect them. And we can invent our own system.

35:58MrWe don't need the government for this. They won't do it for us because they're not legal plants. They're not listed for plant protection. We can start our own system. Why not? We've got the lawyers. We've got IP lawyers. There's no reason we can't do our own thing. So invent new things. Keep them under your hat. Protect them when and if you can, if we can invent a system.

36:21MrBut you have to protect yourself. Coca-Cola doesn't have a patent on the Coca-Cola formula. They just haven't told anybody about it for 100 years.

36:31BubblemanHey, welcome. Welcome to True, who just came into the chat. True Cannabliss. Winner of High Times Cannabis Cups and Legends of Hash sorts of things and Dabadoos and really just all around good fucking guy. So welcome, True.

36:50BubblemanI muted you. I did. Just because we don't like to have the mics live. So whenever you're not talking, we always just push the mute button like I'm about to do.

37:01SpeakerRob, I got a question for you. Now, everyone, like, for me, when I hear genome project, I'm like, oh yeah, let's get to the bottom of stuff, but people freak out and just hear genes and think manipulation, but I've studied a lot of different genome projects in which all chickens go back to the Malay jungle fowl and that's where in history man and the chicken survive through glacial periods and then out from that spawn all the chickens we know and certain key points in history where Plants, animals, all kinds of genetics went out and hit other regions and developed like the Chihuahua coming from China then hitting Mexico.

37:40SpeakerSo when I'm hearing about, okay, we've got, when did, it's kind of like my question is when did the speciation event happen that produced the drug type within the two different species? Thank you so much for joining us.

38:20SpeakerOn one of your maps, you specifically had the regions of the world that were those temperate hubs, and could you nail down which, like where in Europe you could say, yeah, that's broadleaf, and yes, this is narrowleaf, and that's because of their sun cycle or whatever for the first hundred million years.

38:43MrOkay. Well, this is where the ruderalis concept comes in. If you have, no matter what you've looked at in the past, there are plenty of people who have proposed more than one species for cannabis. And there are those who proposed that it was all variations of cannabis sativa. That's been the two extremes. But there has to be a common ancestor for whatever you believe. You know, that's the way evolution works.

39:11MrThere has to be something that you can... We don't find that with cannabis. What we thought we had from Central Asia and all this feral cannabis that's all across Central Asia were the ancestors to cannabis.

39:37MrCannabis sativa and possibly cannabis indica also. So cannabis root or alice, a separate species. Well, that's not what Carl Hillig's isozyme data, not really direct genetic data, but the next best thing. He looked at lots of these and he found that they were really just escaped European cannabis sativa. So we don't really have an ancestor. And in China, nothing's really popped up that's an ancestor either. There are in India what's called subspecies Cafiristanica by Carl, and that's possibly the right name for the quite feral Indian and Nepali varieties you see, which are quite different.

40:15MrThere are some photos in the book. They're maybe just escapes that have gone back to looking like what ancestors would have looked like. Atavism, it's called, the recurrence of... Previous trades, or they might really be ancestors. But the two areas you're referring to, let's back up a little bit. Now that we don't have root or alice, we do have to have some sort of putative ancestor. If something led to these other two.

40:44MrWe don't know where it is, what it is. Maybe some of these archaeological samples we could come up with from central China that can go into the genome project. This is called the Phylos Genome Project. It has a name, P-H-Y-L-O-S. You can look it up. It'll be a buzzword in the near future, so it'll be all over the place. Anyway, some of these archaeological seeds might yield data that show that there was an ancestor in this area.

41:10MrThis would be 2,000, 2,000 through 400 years ago. By then, you're well into the Holocene Epoch. By then, my hunch is that Everything had already leaked back into Central Asia from places that they evolved outside of Central Asia. Central Asia 50,000 years ago, 45,000 years ago, and the...

41:33MrPlacetocene peak glaciation periods was all ice. I mean, all these reconstructions they do from plant pollen, tree pollen, and things show that that area was cold. And some of the only two places, a lot of this is just deduced from their sort of data, where could cannabis and temperate plant have survived? Well, there weren't a lot of places. There were the Caucasus mountain areas, And maybe the bottom of the Black Sea, for that matter.

41:57MrIt only flooded, you know, a few thousand years ago. We'll never know that, maybe. But the Caucasus foothills, what's called the Colchis region today, and Georgia, and those areas, that was an area that remained temperate. And so did the northern Yunnan province. The whole north of Yunnan is this, the Hongduan Mountain Range. It's this incredibly convoluted place where I was lucky to do a lot of field work.

42:22MrSo I got a really good idea of the diversity there. It's incredible. So maybe these are hypothesized as places that might have been, they're called refuges, refugia, during the glacial times. They're glacial refugia. It doesn't mean the plants ran there and hid out. It means they were growing there and everywhere else got too harsh and that's the only place they could continue to survive. They were probably there for thousands of years in both those places before that time.

42:49MrBut at least since the beginning of the pulsing 10,000, 12,000 years ago. So that's the hypothesis and Interestingly enough, Asia warmed up faster than Europe once the whole scene began. So, and there's flat land basically between the mountains in Yuna until all the way to Korea and Korean Peninsula and then a short hop to Japan. So all those areas filled up with Yuna and Indica, which we now call Chinensis, very quickly.

43:21MrAnd it's the Asian hemp. We don't really get drug varieties in there because people didn't select them that way very often, occasionally. But yeah, it's still indica. That kind of throws people for a loop.

43:33SpeakerThat's totally what I looked at. I looked at how, when the thaw comes, how do things spread. And with what I had studied about hemp for feeding poultry and other types of birds, naturally in Russia where the cold climate needs a more oil-based seed in order to hold animals where wheat and those things are for human consumption. I looked at it and I'm like, well, no, it's not man that's going to be able to travel across these, because there was ice, but there's also cold deserts that were uninhabitable.

44:04SpeakerMigratory birds and the resin could actually travel with the birds, because when they hit that plant to actually forage, it's not like a dry seed that you shake out of the plant. You go in it and it goes on you. I mean, many plants, that's how they cross oceans. I mean, mussels travel on boats, so... I think that's the one thing that you have to link it to the study of how birds and the animals that were able to cross those barriers spread because those type of flight patterns totally could go from temperate microclimate to microclimate.

44:37SpeakerAnd that part of China is the birthplace of so many species that if you follow those species, you can link that research and go, oh yeah, well that bird ate that, so there's a total link between where that bird went after and the species that developed out of it, the crane, the geese, and where my hemp went next, and how when it hit the Himalayas, then you get the cultures that have a history of 5,000 years ago, they're talking about the Soma juice.

45:03SpeakerYeah.

45:06SpeakerSo you've got people who have already 5,000 years ago have a cannabis culture. They're talking about drinks. They're talking about lost recipes back then. So I totally see where a simple bird can go from China back to India. Many Indians brought religion through China later on in history. So that's kind of where I'm like, I think the project can be helped by finding the other animals that took a similar course to cannabis around the world with man.

45:33SpeakerBecause that research is done and those genomes are already mapped.

45:38MrWe've looked a little bit at this and unfortunately there aren't a lot of north-south flyways for ducks and things. You have to look at birds that don't crack seeds. A lot of birds break seeds. Finches, sparrows, bad things to move seeds around. But the ducks and geese and those things do. And there are north-south flyways through Europe and down into Africa and all this. But they don't happen to jump the Himalaya very much.

46:02MrSo Yeah, I'm with you on that. And of course, there were birds around before humans started moving around a lot. But, yeah, back to the human thing, I mean, if you look at Xinjiang province in China, which is sort of smack dab in the middle between European and Asian cultures, what they're fighting out now is that the mummies they're digging up and things the last 10 years, more than that, are Westerners.

46:29MrYou know, they're tall, red-haired, Um, kilt, plaid kilt wearing sort of types, largely. And this is 2,500 years ago in what's now China. So, modern scientists, and even a few Chinese ones who are thinking outside the box, are starting to admit that a lot of what became Chinese culture, the Yellow River cultures and Yangtze River cultures, which aren't that much further east than Xinjiang, were probably influenced more than has previously been thought by Western culture.

46:58MrSo, Including agriculture, we would think. So, if you were looking for diffusion early on in the whole scene and stuff, maybe it was from west to east. I mean, I don't want to mention this in the book, but it's just something to think about. Maybe Westerners had more influence on the whole Chinese scene than is presently admitted or known. It would be fun to see in the future.

47:19MrThey keep digging stuff up out there, and it's really dry, so things are well preserved. It's so cool. It's for the... 700 gram cannabis stash in a shaman's tomb came from it that's been all over the internet. That's great. The same team of Chinese scientists keep digging stuff up, so it's really cool.

47:40BubblemanWe've got a question from someone that's asking quite a few times over and over again. They might just need a simple reply, and they're saying, what exactly, if I can find it now. It's always nice when the question disappears. I really wanted to ask your question. I guess he wants to know the difference between the indica and the sativa. Is it a DNA? Is the difference in the DNA?

48:08MrWell, if our theory is right, then yes, of course, there'll be a marked difference. We'll be able to see differences between European hemp varieties and the rest of cannabis, which should look somewhat grouped, whether it's Chinese We'll start to see this as we do the next level in this genetic work. Right now we're going to see all these hybrids.

48:50MrI just went to the...

49:14MrEmerald Cup, I digress slightly, but I just went to the Emerald Cup in Sonoma last week, and they had 660 some odd cannabis entries, and they were all in a glass case, and they all looked the same. I mean, seriously. I'm a breeder, and it's hard to notice really very many variations in any of them. And of course, they're all grown outdoors, they're all grown organically, there's a lot of similarities in the way they're cultured, but you don't see a lot of variation.

49:41MrWhere's the stretchy hazes? Where's the Where's that stuff? Well, it's just not there. And it'll be interesting to see how all this modern mishmash relates to the actual building blocks, the land races that were used to create them in the first place. They didn't come from outer space. They all came from some farmer's land race, his own private variety years ago. So we're trying to get back to those.

50:06MrThat's one of the purposes of this project.

50:09BubblemanSo now we'll call the Hazes the NLDs.

50:14MrThere are definitely NLDs. There's no doubt about that. NLDs.

50:20BubblemanI'm about to get some NLD.

50:22MrYeah, well that's what everybody's looking for. They all want the sativas. People prefer to smoke sativas. Where were they? Well, we lost them. We juggled them and we dropped them. As a group, we dropped them. There aren't that many left. Prohibition. Yeah, people, what I hope this genome thing too will get people to break out the secret cigar box, the magic cigar box, and try to grow a few of those seeds.

50:48MrGet in touch with me and I'll tell you how this works, but we don't need living seeds, okay? If you can crack those puppies and grow them, do it. If they don't crack in three or four days and look vigorous and whatever, then dry them off real good and send them to us, and we'll do the DNA out of them. It's too late to do anything else with them.

51:06MrBut don't... Especially if you're paranoid, don't send us anything living, for God's sakes, but get it out of the box and grow it. Don't let it die. If it is alive, deal with it.

51:18BubblemanRight?

51:22BubblemanAwesome. Redline Genetics was also there. Did I chat with you, Robert? How would he know if he chatted with you?

51:31MrWell, I have a bad memory, but possibly... I don't remember Redline Genetics, but I'm bad with these things. I apologize if I don't remember you.

51:43BubblemanYeah, that's a lot of checking out. But otherwise, it was really quite an amazing event, wasn't it?

51:49MrYeah, it was. It was real heartfelt. It was good. It was low-key. I thought it was a little bit odd that I actually had to use my recommendation for the first time. We're kind of mixed up down here. To enter the area where people were smoking and having the most fun, or I suppose, actually, technically they were self-medicating, but I had to go get a yellow wristband and I had to break out my recommendation and actually use it to get into the area where you could have fun.

52:16MrSo I had to be sick to have fun, and I thought that kind of sucked, but other than that it was great, you know, it really was.

52:25BubblemanGot to welcome Delisi. Delisi's in the house.

52:29MrHi, Delisi.

52:31BubblemanGood to see you, man. Good to see you. These guys are all blazed up and happy. Welcome Dane, who's in from Colorado. And what a nice hash church to just have Rob dropping knowledge. Good times.

52:47BubblemanGood times.

52:51BubblemanI guess Darren's making hash. So I got questions for all you guys.

52:58MrGot any old seeds?

53:00BubblemanGot any old seeds? You know what? I have to have some old seeds. And you know what? For me, Rob, I would be happy to share and send seeds. I also just will try to pop them first because, I mean, I have seeds from the 70s from Australia and it's from Mullumbimby and it's from one of the guys that claimed to be a part of that group that created the Mullumbimby madness and he seemed pretty honest because he said they just kept hitting it with new narrow leaf drug varieties, right?

53:31BubblemanNew like sativas is what he was calling them, but... He was just smacking them with these varieties and he created this insane plant and then he used to send me buds of it and I was like, I don't really enjoy the buds. So then he'd make the hash and send that to me and it was so melty. I smoked some with Breeders Steve over the years and he was just like, man, that's one of the nicest strains I've ever smoked.

53:54BubblemanSo I have those seeds from 1977 or something. They've been in a fridge the entire time. I did crack some 20-year-old seeds, and one of them cracked, and I got a strain out of it that's now been passed around to many of my friends, my 1995 Orange Hill lambsbread hybrid.

54:16BubblemanGood fun.

54:18SpeakerOh, you're muted. Yeah, I got that in the flower right now. It's doing well.

54:27MrYeah, the NLD varieties are usually pretty easy to make cuttings from, so it's easy to hang on to them. It's kind of hard to find places to grow them and things to do with them sometimes, but hanging on to them is really important. Take it from me, I lost a lot of things over the years, and it's not a day that goes by I wish I didn't have some building block that we used to have that just went by the wayside.

54:50MrWe always had something better. We always had something better. We chase things too much. Don't chase so much. Look back. Find... Spend some time.

55:00BubblemanYeah, you're lucky to have been involved in the breeding work that you've been involved in and to be able to do it on the level that you've been involved in. Listen to these fucking guys. Listen to these fucking guys.

55:15SpeakerWhat's up, y'all?

55:16BubblemanOh, you know, we're just having a good time, man. This is Hash Church. I'm glad you guys got the link and came in.

55:21SpeakerAwesome. Yep, big update. Put me up with the link as soon as I'm shy. How's Amsterdam? It's cold, cold as fuck. We're good. We're smoking goodies left over from cup time. Oh shit, still. Still. Look at that. I've still got residue in a turp vial, and I've been doing the odd little scraping off of that.

55:46BubblemanThat's funny shit, dude.

55:48MrHey, solvent abuse is not cool, man.

55:52SpeakerNo, in moderation, it can be tolerated.

55:57BubblemanYou know, I don't think of you as a moderation guy.

56:08SpeakerRight on.

56:13BubblemanWhat a great group of people in here today from all over the place. What a wonderful hash church. Everyone's really enjoying it.

56:22SpeakerSo Pops got denied. Fuck off. Yeah. Dude. But there is some good news on the flip side. There's a new DOC. Her name's Julie Jones, and she really wants to get anybody who's 65 or over and nonviolent offender out. So we'll see what happens.

56:44BubblemanI was thinking about your pops the other day when I saw, it was like a, It was a new Michael Franti video, and it's all about, you know, this sort of police brutality where people are getting strangled and killed and... Yeah, I just did a song like that. That's crazy. Right, so did you see a song? No, I didn't. I gotta check it out.

57:03SpeakerWhat's the name of it?

57:04BubblemanOkay, it's really like a heartfelt song. It's almost like if you were to hear it just from a distance, you might think that it was a bit sappy. But if you watch the video and you see the expression on Michael's face and you feel the vibe... Thank you for watching.

57:34BubblemanI think it's funny you said that because of the time of Mandela's time. It's now that time of 27 years. We're going to hit 28. And it's like, whoa, dude. The ultimate level of marijuana freedom fighting, I guess.

58:04BubblemanDude, you should tell everyone at Hash Church a little bit about your old man's story because many won't know. And if you need, you know, support, you can put it out there here on Hash Church. There's 236 people listening right now and they're all sort of righteous cannabis warriors that are looking for things to support and looking to do the right thing. So I'll put it over to Rick and let him tell you about what's going on with his old man.

58:28SpeakerYeah, basically my father is locked up for smuggling marijuana. In Florida, in South Florida, Polk County, he was convicted in 1989. And it was an entrapment case because the person who set him up used to be his partner who had become an informant. His name was J.J. White. And, yeah, basically my dad got charged with smuggling the second time. First time was in 79, and then the second time was in 89.

59:01SpeakerAnd when he got sentenced a second time, they charged him as a kingpin. They recommended 12 to 17 years. It's a maximum charge. And when they went behind the doors and came back, they sentenced him to three 30-year sentences and one eight-year sentence. And that was to do with the RICO Act, smuggling, and organized crime. So basically my father's been in since then. He tried to do anything he could, you know, No violent crime.

59:32SpeakerMy dad never had a violent offense before that. And yeah, so here we're sitting and still fighting after 27 years. Yeah, my little brother passed away in 2009. Basically took his own life just from being a bit overwhelmed with life, I guess. Yeah, my sister's still free to fight it for him with me. We're doing all we can do. I also just You know, we've got amazing support from True and Truce doing some seeds that he's doing called the Free Delici Pack that he gives out free seed packs.

1:00:09SpeakerWe're just trying to do as much awareness. If you can go to FreeDelici.com and sign the petition, it will help. And Scott will see that people don't want him in prison. That might help him. Judy Jones is rounding up which prisoners he's going to release in the coming year. Yeah, dude. We've got a strong community, so I know we can get some awareness, and sometimes that's what it needs, just for people to realize, and the right person to hear it, and maybe something can happen.

1:00:39BubblemanAnd where can they see that petition? Where can people go and learn more about this?

1:00:45SpeakerF-R-E-E-D-E-L-I-S-I dot com. So, free.com, and then over down towards the bottom, there's sign the petition. And if you sign the petition, spread the word, copy it, let anybody know. It would really help me a lot. And I'm basically looking for activist attorneys that want to really make a point. But usually they're asking for quite a lot of money, and I'm not in that situation yet. I'm trying my ass off, though.

1:01:13SpeakerI ain't going to give up. Yeah, dude.

1:01:16BubblemanNo, we'll put it out there for sure and we'll think of some things that we can do and somehow use Bubble Man's world to help. I can mention it as, of course, in the least throughout my videos and maybe do some giveaways or some auctions or something to try and raise some funds for you guys because that's just...

1:01:34SpeakerIt's just the most fucked up story ever.

1:01:40BubblemanBullshit, straight up.

1:01:42SpeakerIt is bad, dude. I was out in Barcelona just chilling with my girl and taking care of some stuff and all of a sudden I got the phone call and I was just like, I don't believe this shit. Have some Melly hats. I'd like to do a big bong riff in your honor, man.

1:02:02BubblemanYeah, that's my good buddy Darren. I don't know if you and True, if Rick and True know.

1:02:08SpeakerYeah, we're familiar with him. Been watching these latest developments with the Dry Sift, loving that. Excited to see everyone. Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's going to be killer. Next Hash Legends. That's all about material because everyone's got that skill. Let's get your material out. Yes, sir. My young brother here, Vince, he's doing some dry sifting of his dad's material right now and learning the craft.

1:02:38SpeakerAnd I've known this little guy since he was born, his whole family, right? And I grew up with his dad. We were kids together. And it's really neat to watch him get influenced and be a part of this, doing it like this. Incredible. It's fucking unreal. Me and his dad were talking. His dad and I were talking yesterday about it, and it literally gave us both goosebumps.

1:03:01SpeakerWe were just like right fucking proud. It was just great, man. Here's to you guys, man. Sorry I hear about your struggle.

1:03:16MrOne of the best things about the Emerald Cup I went to was Seeing the generations of growers. I mean, for a number of years now, there's been second generation growers. Now there's third generation growers in Northern California. And it was really far out. You meet people my age and they've got kids who've got kids who are growing. It's unstoppable. When you see that, it just warms you up.

1:03:40MrIt's too good.

1:03:42BubblemanYeah, we have a similar thing in the Kootenays in the center of B.C., It's always, it's, you know, back then when the border was open in the 90s and it was just this crazy thing where sort of like the dudes were just carrying packs full of weed across the border. You basically, you'd have kids even, like you could go to the Kootenays in the mid 90s to early 90s and like a 12 to 13 year old kid would have a pager and could get you packs.

1:04:13BubblemanHow ridiculous is that? That's dope. That's literally dope.

1:04:19SpeakerLiterally dope. 100 packs. 50 packs.

1:04:23BubblemanYeah, I can get you a fucking 100 pack. What's it to you?

1:04:27SpeakerYeah.

1:04:28BubblemanWhat do you want? Trips? Trips? This was before quads. I don't even know if they called them trips back then. I think trips might have become a city broker thing.

1:04:39SpeakerProbably, eh? Yeah. My belt's hanging around. Relax, dad's. So I think I'm going to have to blow him some smoke from this bubble hash. Your dog likes dabs? He loves it. He literally goes wild. His towel wags, bites in the air for them. He loves it. Well, why wouldn't he, right? Everybody loves something. He goes around and literally when he sees someone rolling the joint, he goes over and eats the weed off the floor.

1:05:05SpeakerSo it's got to the point now I'll give him a tiny little crumb broken up and let him eat it if that's what he desires. So he seems happy with it. He's got a leg injury, so I figure if he's searching for cannabinoids, then I'll give him enough that he ain't debilitating himself and keeps himself happy.

1:05:28BubblemanIt's not only important for us to feed our endocannabinoid systems daily, but why wouldn't you want to feed the dog's endocannabinoid system? His works the same way.

1:05:38SpeakerHe's doing it on his own. He knows what he needs. He wants it. Instinct.

1:05:44BubblemanYeah. It kicks in. Animals are slightly less ridiculous than us. I sometimes think when it gets to the point, because we're at this point where it's like, Oh, first it was like only if you're terminally ill and dying you could use cannabis. And then it was like, well, you know, kids can use it, but only non-THC, high CBD. And then it's now at the point where we're going to realize in the next 10 years that it's like it's an essential food for our bodies.

1:06:12BubblemanIt is like they convinced us that essential amino acids are illegal. And we're not allowed to consume them. That's insane. Are you crazy? They're essential to our survival.

1:06:25SpeakerFor real. If I didn't already believe that, the combination when we was combining turps with the dry sift and to see how it reacted together and the whole concept behind breaking everything down and putting it back together perfectly to do things is just incredible. The modulating effects. Yeah. Just amazing to see that all coming together now. We've got some coconut oil. Oh, awesome. Yeah, no capsules, coconut capsules.

1:06:55BubblemanThat's seriously green like your shirt.

1:06:57SpeakerYes, I did about six, eight ounces of Holy Grail and OG Kush, just straight bud, and I've

1:07:11SpeakerDid it in a bowl. I took it up to 200 degrees, and I kept it there for about an hour and a half, and then I let it cool down, strained it, cheeseclothed it, and then put it in the freezer. So from here, I'll take a chunk out, because I don't want to be fucked up every time I take it, and I'll mix it with some more coconut oil, make it all of them softened up, and I'll put a scoop of honey in, and maybe a little bit of cinnamon, And I'll just eat that like fucking candy.

1:07:40SpeakerI'll take probably four or five teaspoons of it a day that way and keep my endosystem stocked up and active.

1:07:49BubblemanNice. And I find it tastes a little overwhelming when it's made with herb. I use hash to make mine, but I still strain it not with a cheesecloth, but with a 25 micron bubble bag, which holds the heat in of the coconut oil while it's warm and liquid.

1:08:06SpeakerI really, really like, here's the, I froze it, right? Here's the water on the bottom. Here's the layer of coconut. I like the taste of the herb with it, and it's just like, I love the flavor of it. And mix it with some nice organic honey and some cinnamon, and you are fucking, it's like a dessert, man. You can't help it, but pick the jar up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:08:36MrHow strong is that, dude? Very strong. I mean, how many milligrams of THC are in a measured teaspoon of that, which is the way you eat it?

1:08:45SpeakerI don't know, but I put about eight ounces of bud into this to make it. In that thing? Whoa. And what is that, like three cups of coconut oil? It's probably more about the coconut oil. That's three cups? This is a burden. It's 20%. Maybe three and a half. I don't know. I just scooped it, put it in because I can take this and I'll break it down into my other jars, right?

1:09:16BubblemanListen, if you guys haven't figured it out already, Darren is super gung-ho. Like every single thing that I've shown him, he goes out and does to the extreme.

1:09:26MrBut dude, that's like... 40 grams. Each spoon must be 100 milligrams at least. That's 10 big marinols. That's a lot. People are taking a lot. That's what I'm getting at. It doesn't matter how much you're taking. I saw these incredible things around this cup. They were desserts. You know what jar cakes are? They look like the little mason jars, ball jars that you put your stash in, but they've got a cake in it.

1:09:55MrIt's a little half pint. You can eat one in a heartbeat. If you have the munchies, you can eat one in a heartbeat. You can eat a couple of them, really. You can eat two or three. I'm sure they're delicious. I read the label. They have 300 milligrams of THC in each one of these. What am I supposed to do? Eat a 30th of it? Or a 20th of it?

1:10:19MrWith a buddy? And then we'll get the munchies and eat the rest of it anyway? I mean, this is, to me, ridiculous. I make really strong stuff. And that is over the top.

1:10:29SpeakerI did a 500 ml of candy and it gave me a bit of a THC overdose. I had like a headache the next day for a good four hours. I've had that as well. You've had that? Yes, your eyes are just like they're dry. You feel like your head's lightly swollen. You're hungover. Weed hangover, for sure. I gotta go, y'all. I just want to say bye. Big up, Johnny.

1:10:59SpeakerHey, good meeting you, man. Let's see you next week, buddy. Take it easy, Rick. I'll be around more next time. You taking off, True, or are you hanging out? I'm here. I'm here to smoke.

1:11:12MrI have a friend who's given up smoking. I'll give you the whole thing. But for the last seven or eight months, he hasn't used a nail at all. He was doing concentrates for a couple of years, and he realized it was not the right thing. Short story. So now he's taken the oil and he's eaten it. And he's doing what you're doing. He's activating it in coconut oil.

1:11:37MrHe cooks it like a heroin addict in a little spoon every morning and gets it all decarboxylated real good. Then he lets it cool down and he does it at 5 a.m. every day. It's fisherman style. Because if you do it early, it does its whole time course. You activate it real good and do all that and then take it early on an empty stomach. It does its whole time course before you go to bed.

1:12:02MrAnd then you can be a normal human being and you don't wake up hungover, you wake up and do it again the next morning. That's all he's done for seven or eight months now. He's high as a fucking kite.

1:12:14MrI swear to God. But that's all he's done. And the nail led him there. That's another, we could talk about the church and the nail and all this stuff. But that's what, torch and a nail, getting it too hot and doing all this, what led him there. That was his style. So, yeah. I like the de-nail. I think that's all a good thing. Keep it all within bounds.

1:12:34SpeakerI like the quartz nail.

1:12:36MrYeah, you can make, well, I just don't like heating things with a torch. But you can, Me neither. You can put the real good full melt bubble stuff in there. You don't have to do these silly extracts. I mean, come on. You can get the whole thing, the whole plant thing and stick it in there.

1:12:51BubblemanI know a lot of people, I mean, only that half makes lumps. A lot of people think that dabbing means that you're smoking oil. But really, dabbing, to me, is a process, and it can be whatever you're dabbing.

1:13:06MrMake up another word. Once again, the lingo will determine the mindset.

1:13:12SpeakerAll right. How about babbing?

1:13:13MrThere has to be another word for sticking non-solvent stuff on a heated device. There has to be another word for it.

1:13:21BubblemanThere we go. Phytocannabinoids.

1:13:26SpeakerI got a question for you guys today. This is one I get a lot because of the introduction to live resin and the concentrate scene. But the question is, what's the difference in the terpene profile between live resin or dried and cured trim that you run a concentrate of? From my understanding, there's more terpenes, maybe some of the terpenes evaporate after the plant dries, but I'll leave it to you guys.

1:13:51BubblemanWant me to start that first? What's that? Yeah, take it.

1:14:01MrThrough the whole process, if you smell them, you're losing them. That's the basic rule. You're losing them every time you bump them in your grow room. You're losing turps every time you hang them up to dry. And you're losing them when you make water hash. And you just lose them all along the line. And the ones you lose the easiest are the ones that smell the best because they're the ones at the lowest boiling point.

1:14:27MrAnd as it turns out, look in the back of that book, Hashish, that I wrote. There's a whole table in the back. It starts with the lower boiling point ones and the monoterpenes and goes up through the sesquiterpenes. They're like a terpene and a half. They're bigger. They're heavier. And the real volatile light boiling point ones, they actually are volatile below room temperature. So you tend to lose them really, really easy.

1:14:55MrAnd... Those are the ones that, yeah, you want to get those back somehow. Because your trim, for instance, back to your basic question there, that's already been dried. And it's nice, and you haven't bruised it up, but it's missing some of those terpenes. The live resin thing really gets them. And this new technique of getting the ones you're missing back from the ice water, that's got to be the best thing going so far.

1:15:24MrSo, yeah, all solvent free and... Wait a second.

1:15:30SpeakerCan you give us more explanation on getting the terpings back from the water? What's going on there?

1:15:41MrI'm not the guy who can tell you that.

1:15:43SpeakerThat's right.

1:15:44MrThere are other guys who can tell you that.

1:15:46SpeakerAnd they'll weigh in when they're ready.

1:15:48MrThey'll weigh in when they're ready. But that is... That's the serious way forward. And there's Kenny at Tricom Technologies. He's got a way of getting them out of the air. So this is where it's headed. It's only going to get better from here. But you've got to get those back. And those are whole plant terps. It's not this off-the-shelf glue-sniffing mentality, which great. That's what we did to ourselves to teach ourselves that terpenes were important.

1:16:16MrBut that's not old school even. That's just stupid. So... Yeah, we've got to stop doing this. I'm not a glue sniffer, and I've given it up. It's for the sake of science. It's not for the sake of recreation or medicine, really. So the off-the-shelf thing, I'm not interested in. But having a whole plant or part of the terpene extract added back in, the missing part added back into it, A plan preparation, gee whiz, how much better can you get than that?

1:16:44MrThink of something better than that for New Year's.

1:16:47BubblemanWell, it was Kay that basically said that to me maybe a year ago now while he was been working on his own terpene isolation and trap. I think he's working on a component that fits on these back ovens that vacuum out all the fucking terpenes. He's trying to recapture those in the air. And he was the one that told me, listen, what you need to do, you need to...

1:17:10BubblemanFigure out a way to get those terpenes out of the water. And so literally probably within the week, I told two people. I told Horatio, who's in the room right now, I said, we need to figure out, because these guys are kind of thinker dudes, and they're the kind of doer guy. I'm not going to like build some fucking thing and figure out how to extract terpenes from water, but I'm very likely to plant the idea in someone's head who may have not done it had I not planted that idea.

1:17:37BubblemanSo I told Tony, and I told Horatio, and Tony fucking came back with pure terpenes like, I think it was like maybe two weeks later. And I was just like... I was like, how did you do that? He's like, well, you know, one day I'll tell you. I was like, holy shit. I wish he was here. He's with his family right now at a brunch, but he wanted to be here, and he said that he would try to come in towards the end of church, which I would guess would probably be closer to noon West Coast time, which is in an hour and a half or so.

1:18:17SpeakerI'm glad there was a generous, kind-hearted person like Tony to figure it out. What's that? I said I'm glad there was a good, generous, kind person like Tony to figure it out. Yeah. Dude, absolutely. All that douchebag who just hoarded it and like... I just lorded it over everyone. Instead, it was someone who was just super excited for everyone to try it. If we had, we would be able to give every single person in Amsterdam a Turk Chaser.

1:18:46BubblemanEveryone, dude, of course.

1:18:47SpeakerSee everyone just grinning in that wow look after and how happy Tony was every time. It was just like such an awesome thing to witness and to be a part of it.

1:18:58BubblemanHistorical for certain, dude. Historical for certain. 100%, man. Loved it. Tony's the man. We dig Tony.

1:19:07SpeakerI love Tony.

1:19:11BubblemanYeah. He's a good dude. He's a cannabis warrior. He's got all the best at heart. Yeah.

1:19:26SpeakerAlright, well I got a question about this terpene chase because as we look at the actual effects, like You know, if someone was to dab thyme to clean up their chest when they're getting a cold, at what point are we dabbing stuff that is meant to blow up our chest? At a terpene retention ratio, you can't repeat your cannabinoid therapy because you're wrecked.

1:19:53BubblemanNo, 100%. We should not be doing terpene chasers. It's like a pure solvent, and it's a historical thing in the sense that we're learning about how to extract the terpenes, we're learning about how to re-add those terpenes in, you know, basically even from day one that Tony showed me these, I said right away, I said, okay, you know we're using like 20 times more than we're supposed to be, and he was like, no, like 100%.

1:20:23SpeakerIt's extremely high. Like the micro amounts of like in the low parts per millions that it can completely change the projection of your high tells you that all the cannabis strains are really just terpene modulations. And the power of those is astronomical. That's why it seems like everybody playing home mad scientist is more likely to produce combinations that are now too strong. Like if it becomes a daily, this is all I'll dab now, I'm so terp addicted.

1:20:56BubblemanYou can't just dab it for sure, dude. I think that this situation, like the community of dabbers... Are a small, small, small community. And the work that the terpene isolation and that the isolation and decontamination of resin glands to a pure enough purity that you can unveil the actual quality and you can grow that quality to the best that it is, that level of standardization and what the terpenes will offer will be huge.

1:21:28BubblemanBut will it be huge to the dabber who's sitting at home dabbing it? No, I don't think... I don't think that'll be the future of terpene isolation.

1:21:36SpeakerWell, it's just when I look at it is we'll be able to put this all in our back ovens. I'm like, so everyone's going to start ladling terpenes in completely disproportionate homeopathic I mean, that's why OG blows up your chest and some people like it and some people don't like it. But if it becomes OG 3000 just by, I mean, the concentrate arts alone are already playing that game because we just don't know.

1:22:02SpeakerThey just keep forcing more in. Unfortunately, they're not getting the solvent out in order to retain those terpenes. I feel like the hunt for terpenes has left people forgetting the hunt for clean medicine. Not in the case of Tony, but in the case of the home individual that I got to make my... 100% agree. 100% agree. It's likely.

1:22:25BubblemanLook at the BHO phenomenon.

1:22:28MrAnd look at the off-the-shelf products that we all grew up with. Mentholiptus Cough Drops, Mentholatum, all these, go to the cough part of the drugstore and just look. All the name brands are based on the names of terpenes. Menthol, eucalyptine, eucalyptol, all these things. They're there to open up your bronchial passages and have an effect on the bronchial tubes. And they've known that orally they would do this and through the nasal passages because you suck on these things.

1:23:04MrYou don't swallow them. So they've been doing this for a long time. And always remember that not all terpenes are good terpenes. No. And not all terpenes are ones with names. They run these short retention time GC programs basically to identify cannabis from the dispensaries and things, all these analysis places that are popping up. And they need to turn a dime, so they run short programs that analyze the sample for 12, 20 minutes, something like that.

1:23:38MrAnd they get They report on the terpenes that they have names for. Well, there's another hundred probably in cannabis that they don't have names for. They're not the common ones. They weren't found in limes like limonene or eucalyptus like eucalyptol or camphor like camphene. A lot of them are named after their source plant. They were discovered in something else. What about all the ones that haven't been discovered in anything except cannabis?

1:24:08MrAnd they're numbers. If you run out, you get peaks, and you get retention times, and you give those numbers, and you start sorting it out, and you figure out the unique ones, you know? And that's what the future is with the whole terpene thing with cannabis. What ones in cannabis do this? What ones make a haze a haze and also make the haze have a different effect?

1:24:31MrHayes has got exactly the same amount of THC as a lot of other stuff. No CBD like a lot of other stuff. Why is it different?

1:24:39SpeakerOkay, well, I mean, this is kind of why I had the question. If everyone's like, fresher, faster, fresher, faster, and I'm like, well, let's analyze and standardize. I mean, there's a reason why I don't eat rhubarb fresher, faster, and I have to cook it. And the drying process... Just like there's drying process cold, there's drying process hot, there's let's whop it in the food dehydrator, let's store it in the microwave.

1:25:01SpeakerAll of those processes are modulating the cannabis. What about the terpenes that come from a one-year cure when all those terpenes then go into that soup and produce a new phenol and a new blend? Well, most of them have just disappeared.

1:25:16MrIf you like your weed better after three months or six months of curing, then those that disappeared were bad terpenes majoritively. Exactly. They're good terpenes. If you smoke it after three to six months and you go, ugh, this is horrible, it only tastes like cat piss, you know, and you don't like that. Some people like cat piss, but, you know, like that, then, then, You lost the good terpenes because you liked it when you harvested it or you wouldn't have saved it for three to six months.

1:25:45SpeakerAbsolutely. That's human preference. That's kind of why I'm like everyone's on the freshness and I'm like we haven't even studied what we've done for so long. What are the terpenes in the dryer, those medicinally more balanced after an aged, even a one month age of some dry sift. Thank you for watching.

1:26:25SpeakerWe're getting high just extracting cannabis like that. Let's say it wasn't expensive. I look at that and go, that's exciting. When I look at, well, what does it mean for ingestion? And I'm like, well, we know so little. And I know so much about the side effects of even a micro amount of terpenes that I'm like, I don't really want to go there. I just want to get human tradition right.

1:26:46SpeakerWe don't make live resin tea. We dry tea for a reason. That's the kind of the difference between art forms. And I'm like, I don't know. I want to stick with, let's get what's worked scientifically knocked down to why do we dry it? Why did it do that?

1:27:04MrI got you on all that. And tradition is really important. Tradition evolves along with people who knew what they were doing because they had first-hand experience for centuries with this plant. We don't have that. Sorry. None of us do. So we do need to follow these things. And you're exactly right. But that said... Give me a full plant extract, 100% resin prep, with every remaining terpene, and let me decide what to do with it.

1:27:32MrWell, that's a lot of money. Okay, but if that's the future, and we can get to do it at home, none of this is rocket science, actually, as it turns out. It can be scaled down, if need be, and up, if need be. Hey, why can't I get these things? Why can't then I decide to do it? I can take it home, put it in my freezer, or put it in my little Baba Bob Afghan incubator that ages it to the perfect thing.

1:28:01MrYou guys want to talk to somebody about this? Talk to Alan Dronkers. He's so far off in the European, you've got a carrier hash thing. Alan Dronkers is since he sits. Get him in a conversation. He'll be in the middle of the night in Thailand sometime at church, but invite him in. He'll get down with you on this. He... He takes resin and does this with it.

1:28:21MrAnd he basically, as another friend of mine who disapproves it, says he Moroccifies it. He makes it into what the Europeans are used to. They know hash for decades ahead of us, really. You Canadians in the East especially, you have the advantage. But I'm a pot guy. I had to go to Europe to learn about ash. And these guys are the ones to weigh in on that.

1:28:45MrThey experiment with it. So yeah, it's a whole different what you like. Back to that again. Yeah, I just want to start with as much of it as possible and do my own thing to it. Or not. Whatever.

1:29:00SpeakerExcellent.

1:29:02MrAwkward pause, silence, puff, puff, puff time. Yeah, you know, I'm going to go check what's going on in my house because believe it or not I'm going to a potluck barbecue breakfast in a minute. Nice. And I ran out of wood. So I'll be back. I'll be back. Just a moment. He will be back.

1:29:20BubblemanWell, glad that Pastor is so killer today. Rob's dropping some good knowledge on us. Horatio asking some good questions. It was good to see Rick in the chat. Always good to see Johnny B and D420 and True and Dane. Good stuff indeed, gentlemen. These Sundays are valid. It's nice to just be at home. There's 275 people viewing, so we're getting higher up in our viewers, up to almost 300.

1:29:57BubblemanWhich is nice. It's good to hear that you guys are all out there. Hopefully enjoying bowls with us. Hopefully enjoying the information. Hopefully it's inspiring you or making you ask questions. Hopefully you're Googling and looking into it and maybe you might find yourself with a question that a lot of people ask me on the regular is how do I get into this? How do I do this?

1:30:20BubblemanHow do I be a part of this? And I always say, well, you know, follow your passion. So, I mean, you can't really give someone the exact direction as to how to start a seed company or how to start growing weed and love it so much that you end up finding the nicest phenos and producing the nicest hash or producing a, whatever, a great way to extract it.

1:30:42BubblemanThese are all different things that the people don't know how they're doing it. They just love it and they're doing it. Even while they're getting like slammed down and like, oh yeah, how about this? How about this? How about you get robbed and jailed and beaten and fucked over left, right, and center? So we never film that part and we never really talk about that part. But that's the part that's just kind of there to test you to see if this is really your passion.

1:31:10BubblemanYou know, I'll tell you. First time you get arrested for cannabis, you will really know, okay, is this my passion or... Because some people get into the back of the squad car and I think they think to themselves, I should go to university. I got to stop doing this. This isn't, you know, these are not the thoughts that I personally had any of the times I ever got put in the back of a squad car.

1:31:33BubblemanAnd, yeah, this is my passion. This is what I'm about. And I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. It's on my walls.

1:31:45SpeakerI'm pretty much that same person. Cheers to that. Bong rips. Bong rips. Bong rips. Bong rips. Astro Boy.

1:32:03SpeakerI was going to do some weighing in on ways of activating cannabinoids and stuff like that and what I'm doing and stuff and wanted to more or less kind of have a little chat with Rob about it and what his thoughts were on how I activate and feed my endocannabinoid system, which I've been doing for several years, which I'm in the midst of doing a video about on how I activate in the oven or on the stove or In a crock pot of several different ways, but for me I like to keep mine sealed in the jars so I keep all those terpenes and all those ways of activating and it can be done just by sticking it in the middle of an oven or you can put it on a stove top in a pressure cooker, but there's different ways of actually activating cannabis that you can take daily to feed your endocannabinoid system.

1:32:57SpeakerThis is just one way that I do things and soon to come the times and temperatures that I do it at and how I've been feeding my cannabinoid system. What are some of the other things that you take besides cannabis to increase your cannabinoid count to kind of mitigate some of the pain that you're dealing with on a daily basis and inflammation? Okay, so I was just sitting here and I was in a lot of pants and I went into my bathroom and I have something called a green bar so I have activated THC once again.

1:33:28SpeakerIt's being heated so it's activated and what I mean activated and I was just doing some more research and talking about it is cannabis doesn't actually bind unless it's heated so you either light a joint or hit it with a bomb or throw it in a vaporizer or anything like that so what they've done is they've activated a tincture base and they put it into a It's a different type of creams and stuff like that.

1:33:52SpeakerAnd it's actually tremendously helps me. So there's other ways I use cannabis that helped me tremendously. Yeah. So, I mean, that's just, if I just took bud and I just ate it, or if I just kind of, you know, dried it up and put it into this bar, it wouldn't really work that well. So that's why it's activated. That's why it's working for me. That's why, I do it in a jar too.

1:34:15SpeakerI like to activate. I like to heat it first before I consume it. So that way it's actually helping me.

1:34:21BubblemanHeating up cannabis is the scientific way to activate THC. This is standard. If you want to remove the carboxylic acid ring on the THC or the CBD or any of these other cannabinoids that are in acid form, you simply heat it up. And then there's temperatures that are basically scientifically fairly sound that you would heat them up in Celsius or Fahrenheit for a certain amount of time.

1:34:49BubblemanAnd then, of course, like John was saying, it depends now at that point whether you want to expel and lose the terpenes or whether you want to kind of keep them captured like in a sealed jar in the pressure cooker method.

1:35:04SpeakerYeah. And for me, that's what I've been doing for a while and that's what works. And then I take this to another step. As in grinding it up and then sifting it and I can use it in any forms of, I can throw it into cooking, I take it in a capsule form daily. I used to put it into yogurt for quicker, I guess, absorption because of course I always talk about cannabis works off of fat, F-A-H.

1:35:29SpeakerSo it's just ways that I've always been taking my cannabis with the amino acids because like I say, cannabis doesn't work with natural GABA and stuff unless it's converted or activated. So, yeah, there's all different times and temperatures, like Mark said. I did some research on that, and I was talking more about the essential oils I was finding, that there's different boiling points and stuff like that, like with mercine and delimine, and I was kind of curious about that, and I was kind of wondering if Horatio or even if Rob had any insight on the boiling points of the different essential oils.

1:36:05SpeakerAre they activating it to binding to receptors or anything like that? Because I really don't know. Just curious. The terpenes that are matching boiling points to THC, the ones that typically you could say persist, unless you use, like, especially people who are using low and slow decarboxylation methods. That's why you keep them in a jar, right? So they're sealed in here, right? Well, it's, I mean, looking at it, Thank you for joining us.

1:36:44SpeakerI summarized. So, but they still remain. They're just in different, slightly different forms. That's why I get so nervous about the nature of changes to terpenes. I can burn limonene and it'll smell like burnt oranges and still persistent limonene. So, I tend to try to evacuate those out to get back in, like, let's say Mike's cancer case. I try to remove as much terpenes as possible so it's just THC, but I did leave limonene in it so that it was more of an uplifting state no matter which strain.

1:37:19SpeakerIt's almost like I removed a certain uniqueness to all the strains because we were getting random material which was up and down, up and down, up and down. By pulling those terpenes off and then just having a base amount of terpenes, which he gets in that taste of limonene, I could create almost like a standardized high, which isn't as throttling. So he ended up complaining he couldn't get high enough because it seemed to keep him clear, which he associates with being sober.

1:37:49SpeakerSo it's highly powerful. That's kind of why you pick your strain to make your RSO or whatever with and you stick with it because it worked for you as smoke and you can trust in those terpenes as beneficial generally on the onset. But when you start grabbing random soup and you want to hold it and you want to preserve it and you want to throw it back on, You're getting into somebody else's whole life and craft of doling out medicine.

1:38:15SpeakerA lot of homeopathic remedies are just terpenes and you're going to mix this with a shit ton of water and then you're going to take a slight sip of it. And I'm like, what the hell is going on with the rest of the one? They're like, throw it out. Don't you try to ingest that much. It's like 40 orange peels which will make you diarrhea. And I'm like, well...

1:38:32SpeakerI've got to take what I'm doing hella serious and I hope everyone else does because it's powerful.

1:38:39BubblemanOn another note, Horatio, picture this. We're five years in the future. United Cannabis has figured out a way of extracting all the singular terpenes out and they've been named and we've got the cannabinoids separated out and now... What we've learned from that is that you can take and learn about these different profiles from different strains. I imagine this sort of like phytoinhalation box. Thank you for watching.

1:39:25BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:39:42BubblemanThat is able, when you go up there, you just punch in a code, or you're epileptic, or you're whatever, you know the code of the cannabinoid profile you require, and all these raw samples, whether they're hash or bud, they're still raw, whole plant samples, and this machine just accesses particular cannabinoids and terpenes in the ratio that you happen to need them for. How about that?

1:40:06SpeakerWell, I'm not against that. That's how homeopathic remedies are doled out. They are essential. I mean, they're What's the word? It's not like a pharmacist, but it's a traditional Chinese word for apothecary. I can't say it right now. All of that is exact. I mean, when I was first starting out, and everyone gets super excited that, well, we'll be able to recombine and make this. All I really look for is that when we get that G13 that is nailing that pain in that medicine, We nailed it from the perfectly grown G13 and we explored, I'm pretty much totally with that science.

1:40:44SpeakerIt's just I'm going in the direction of well let me see if I can get the plant to its perfect expression and when I know it's at its fullest expression then I can get a standardized how is it working for you, how is it working for you. Because I find that blueberry isn't blueberry and I wonder if I got the same strains Tony had could I produce the same result and I assume if I didn't get them from Tony I couldn't.

1:41:06SpeakerSo I'm for that standardization. It's just I'm looking from it from let's get those land races, let's get those wild species that truly have that raw insanity that's probably that Amazon cure for cancer that basically I'm looking backwards for the cure so that when I run the box, my recipe is perfect rather than Subtle, which is not bad. I'm not saying an anecdotal library isn't how we built the whole basis of science.

1:41:36SpeakerThat's what clinical trials are all about. So I'm just looking at pairing that with, hey, Tony, I think I got the real G13 or whatever the strain is. I worked on my grow. I worked on the plant's needs. I studied where it came from. I nailed my lights. I think this is a real Jamaican blueberry. And test that and reproduce that motherfucker. So I'm still trying to get the most out of cannabis expression where Tony's trying to get the most out of standardizing, recreating that cannabis for everybody no matter which one it is.

1:42:06SpeakerSo we're on the same page and we're aligned in the same direction. But Tony's a one-off.

1:42:15BubblemanYeah, when I told Tony that thing that I just said to you, he gave me the look and I was like, ha ha, yeah, planted. So one day in the future, when Tony has this box, I'll tell you, dude, remember I told you about it around the same time I told Tony.

1:42:33SpeakerYeah, and I'll be like, I got a plant for you to dial in. Try to recreate this.

1:42:38BubblemanCould be a part of the genome project, too. Who knows? I just think that if we're going to learn all this information, there best be a way that we can access it that is on a different level than simple binary computer systems.

1:42:51MrAll right. Now we get talking. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. All right, Bubbles. You hit the nail on the head. You've got a genome project that's just cooking up, okay? Big deal. You get a bunch of things that look like multicolored rulers or however you want to do it. It's information. There's no practical side to it. Really, I mean it's solving by intellectual quandaries and everybody else is kind of fascinated by that and you can identify medicines for people.

1:43:22MrBut how are you really going to do that? There's another fingerprint type of thing you can use and that's the terpene profile. But these guys have got to stretch it out to where the varieties are really becoming unique. You can't just use the major 12 or 30 or whatever terpenes and really establish anything that's that significant. You're not finding unique ones that I'm sure we'll be in uniquely flavored and fragranced varieties.

1:43:50MrWhy not? You know, there's something special. And a lot of these are heritable, obviously. Do hazes still smell like haze? After all these years of people diluting them, never reinforcing them, because you can't really grab these things and inbreed them anymore. But through all these 25, 30 years of diluting haze to the max, can you still smell it? Okay, what is it? I mean, that's a good basic question for you.

1:44:19MrYou know, and that can be done.

1:44:21SpeakerBut when it's powerful... Jesus Christ, what happened to the chat? Is it really just...

1:44:36MrOkay. So... That was weird. Anyway, so you have a... Then you have two parts of the puzzle. What you really need is the dispensaries to have a questionnaire that's simple, universal, and some young person who understands computer statistics smashing, you know, can make a meaningful data set from a questionnaire. This is not a simple thing to do, actually. So we need to find somebody who's young and smart and needs a master's or PhD project, and we'll help them out.

1:45:10MrAnd we're going to do this. We'll put together... A questionnaire that can go to every dispensary, totally voluntary. If people want to fill it out, great. And all it basically says is, I use this variety for this indication, and this is why. If you want to fill in a few more details, fine. It has to be a questionnaire that can be an incomplete data set. You don't have to fill in every question.

1:45:32MrWe're talking about stoners here. It needs to be... Excuse me. People are seeking medical assistance. So, they... We need to get smart people to do this. It's not me. It's just my idea. I'm like Mark. I'm full of ideas. But yeah, that would be a really good thing to do. And then you have the triumvirate. You have the trinity. You have the data from people. You have the organoleptic assay.

1:46:01MrYou have the medical data, the organoleptic assay where people are smelling them and figuring out the different things with a GC, you know, with science. Then you got the genes behind the whole thing that made it all the way it is. How cool would that be? Why can't we put together a group that makes all that come together? It's the times here. Genetic analysis is cheap. These guys are analyzing everything.

1:46:25MrWhen regulations come in, everything will have to be genetically tested. It will have to prove that it is what it is. It will have to be terpene tested to prove that it's of the quality it should be. Even after its identity is figured out, it can't be blasted out in a hot grow room and be considered the same OG that's grown perfectly. So there's going to be a quality control thing with the terpenes and cannabinoids anyway.

1:46:51MrAnd then you've got the gene thing backing it up to, you've got the identity and you've got everything.

1:47:00BubblemanThis sounds like a project that cannabinoid research and development would be all over.

1:47:11MrMy experience is that these things are expensive, and it might help to find somebody who has a vested interest in education, because they get things called grants, and then our government and private industry pays to do stuff like this. And you can take grants from who you want, you don't have to take one from Mon fucking Santo, you can take grants from good people. Yeah, I like the whole public domain idea and get a lot of people working on things.

1:47:39MrLook at cannabis breeding. Look at all the progress that's been made by no single individual. Just look at what our counterculture has done off the grid completely and off the charts for, and illegally for God's sakes, for three decades, four decades, and look where we got as a group, right? It wasn't any one person who bred some cool thing. It's a whole bunch of people were doing this and then sharing and Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:48:33BubblemanDon't hoard something that for God's sakes could be given to someone that you personally may be judging that they either deserve or don't deserve, but what about the person beyond them that may acquire that strain that it could help potentially save their life? You know, think of like a young epileptic child that would require that strain, but you don't want to give it to Buddy because you think he's going to fuck it up or whatever the stupid, greedy reasons that people don't want to share strains are, generally for their own protection of making their own monetary gain off of it.

1:49:05BubblemanI think personally we've moved a little past that and we're getting into sort of another realm that those of us that, you know, love and have made this our passion and cannabis is our life that, There'll still be money to be made. It just won't be the same kind of money. It won't be that same prohibition profit that's currently the most available to, I guess, to the cannabis grower and seller.

1:49:32MrIt'll be a lot easier to sleep at night, too.

1:49:35BubblemanOh, my God. Right? Although I have to say, with my federal license, I feel pretty good sleeping at night. I don't even come close to fucking my numbers. I'm very well below the numbers. I'm allowed to have 98 plants or 99 plants. And I don't even have close to that.

1:49:56MrThat's lovely. You Canadians are so lucky. Your whole thing is managed by health officials essentially instead of... Draconian drug warriors. You guys got a whole different mindset up there.

1:50:10BubblemanIt's like a total nightmare. At the same time, it's kind of like I remind people all the time because, A, yes, I feel terrible for the people that didn't get federal licenses before the government came in and said they were going to change it and enact a new program that meant no one could grow except licensed producers. And then the injunction happened, which said that, no, all the people, the 40,000 people who have licenses now, they're just going to get to keep growing until this injunction is figured out.

1:50:38BubblemanAnd what the injunction is, is saying, look, we don't care if there's licensed producers, but we need to all be able to grow our medicine if we so desire. Now, here's the reality behind that, Rob. Probably 90% of the people out of those 40,000 people are growing cannabis for like 90% profit for themselves and 10% medication. So there's so many people growing huge grows for profit that it lowered the black market price of cannabis.

1:51:07BubblemanDown to below $1,000, which I thought was great. I'd love to see it get even lower.

1:51:12MrWe like raw materials. I think that's great too. Good luck if you can get a grand at Harvest Time for outdoor stuff here growing under perfect conditions. It's the most beautiful shit I've ever seen. You're really lucky to get a grand.

1:51:29BubblemanSo here in Canada, what we need to happen is we need the small percentage of people who are growing not to sell or trade their herb at all. They get a license like what we all have right now, which is a license to possess and produce your own medicine. That's what we have a license for. None of us have a license to sell weed. They should offer small licenses to people that are like, well, I've got a 50 lighter and I can grow more medicine than just for me.

1:51:55BubblemanGreat. Give them a license to do that. They pay taxes on it and they do their business. And then give the compassion clubs and dispensaries small licenses to procure from those particular licensed MMAR growers. But then, this is the part that they'll hate. Implement standardization, which will literally cut 90% of them out, like, off the bat. When it comes to, like, checking for mildews and molds and, like, bugs and any type of chemical sprays, I think that it would be very...

1:52:27BubblemanIt's got to be done. It does have to be done, because you know what? They could go back to the drawing board and learn and just realize, okay, so where I was cutting the corners, which are all, will find huge surprise, these will be prohibition-based corner cuts. That they'll have done naturally in the world of prohibition while they were growing illegally. That they, you know, slowly, like, even in a project like if Jamaica, if CRD gets the license for Jamaica, simply teaching the Jamaican growers that are there now that, like, you can't spray deadly chemicals.

1:53:00BubblemanWe need to find land that hasn't been sprayed with Roundup. We need to standardize the medicine. That's going to be, like, I think that's going to bum out a bunch of people.

1:53:10MrYeah, the standardization is important. I mean, I'll show you a little example before I blast the, this is the very end of it. Kind of getting this up here. I don't know how this works close up, but this is, oh, it's blurry, isn't it? Yeah, look back a bit.

1:53:25BubblemanA little bit, a little bit more. Put your hand behind it. Yeah, you're pretty good around there.

1:53:32MrOkay, okay.

1:53:35BubblemanIt'll only be so good. So what's that?

1:53:38MrThis is the one that, It's a purple Urkel, and it was grown by some really nice guys from Sonoma, I believe. That'd be Marley and Ben and Fred, I believe. They had three things entered out of the 660. But this one tested the highest. Okay, it's a purple Urkel. It's a really nice gauge. I mean, it's all good. But my point is that nothing is 29% THC.

1:54:06MrThis is manicured within a Nats ear, and you can do this, but some of the testing is out of sight. I know from personal experience and from setting up labs in Europe where you can get standards and don't have to muck about like here in California, nothing goes above about 25. And so some labs are just going high. Maybe it's good for their business. I don't know.

1:54:29MrBut that's back to the standardization buzzword that you just brought up. And that's what's going to come with regulation. And it's a good thing for all of us. A lot of people, as Mark's saying, will not survive that. It's just too damn much trouble. But once the prohibition mentality is gone, you'll actually be able to earn a living at it if you want to take the trouble, the time and trouble.

1:54:52MrAnd microbreweries have been really successful. Dealing with our government about alcohol is not an easy matter. And microbreweries have gone nuts here. Not everybody wants to brew their own beer. So there's a huge market for micro-brewed beer. You know, as well as all the big breweries. People don't want to grow their own tobacco. It's legal here. I can grow an eighth of an acre legally in any state in America.

1:55:14MrDoes anybody who smokes tobacco grow their own? A couple of hobbyists, that'd be about it. People just don't like chemicals, want to grow or go tobacco, but good on them. No problem. It's going to get down to 7-11, guys. Have you been in an American dispensary? You can sit there for an hour. Not one sick person walks through the door. Not one unambulatory, coughing, peaked looking, slightly discolored, or even hungover looking person.

1:55:42MrWhere I live, they're all going surfing or bike riding or to a picnic or it's convenient shopping. I mean, get it. Get what's going on down here at least. That's what's going to be everywhere. Not everybody wants to grow it. There's going to be plenty of room for the people who can keep their act together and do a quality product. All the services are very healthy. We've got analysis.

1:56:05MrWe've got everything.

1:56:07BubblemanThere's people in chat now saying that they're naming off strains. This one guy's like, name this strain off. He's like 33%. And another guy's like, mine was 35 point something. And then another dude's like 45%. And people are just laughing like, come on, that's ridiculous. 45%.

1:56:28SpeakerIt's impossible.

1:56:29BubblemanYes.

1:56:31SpeakerIt's impossible. It really is. So Bob and Mark, so I guess that goes back to where I'm like, we've got people hoarding. So the genetic basis of medicinal possibilities, most of us don't know or can't experience. If we got that opened up, now you have, for the last 40 years, A small gifted few that really could survive in the real world are mixed with the many who have randomly just been doing their thing.

1:56:59SpeakerHow many strains have even been grown properly and then test them? That's kind of why I'm like, Tony's going like way far in the future. So much of our past has to be cleaned up. He has standardized plants. So he's kind of working with his own medicine. But if you copy him, you end up in a huge problem because you forgot the other foundational steps he's relying on in order to go forward in a confident way and say, yeah, I've standardized them.

1:57:25SpeakerBruce Banner. And Bruce Banner works good for this, and now we can replicate that by pulling the terps and recreating our best year of Bruce Banner ever, every time. But I'm like, how many plants have even shown their medicinal possibilities when most of them are still grown on the worst practices known to man because of prohibition practices? That's kind of why I'm like, I haven't even ran decent strains, never mind trying to recreate what we currently have.

1:57:54BubblemanAnd can you imagine River Rock has 300 strains?

1:58:01SpeakerWe're just grazing it. I'm like, well, how do we get a River Rock Regional, because, you know, there's more strains of weed than there is apples. And there's 800 apples in some region, 8,000 apples in cold climates. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But how do we open up? Basically, that's kind of where I'm like, what you said in Canada, let's start to shave out the people who aren't really dedicated to the plant and just dedicated to profit by freeing up the hoarding, forcing some standardization.

1:58:32SpeakerAnd then the kind of things where what Tony's talking about sound like a future for everyone where I'm like, yeah, other companies could do that. If the weed wasn't going through radiation just to become legal, like even the licensed producers irradiate their weed and have problems. I'm like, God, it seems money doesn't solve it. It's only gifted people and they're few and far between. How do we get them funded so that they can reach out?

1:58:57SpeakerAnd I guess, I mean, these United Cannabis is that our only Hope, or are there other companies on the horizon that aren't just profit driven but medicinally driven to produce results that automatically produce profits?

1:59:10BubblemanYou'd have to believe that there's other companies that are out there. You're muted, Rob.

1:59:20MrOh yeah, try to leave it like that when I'm not on. Yeah, no, really, it's, everything's profit driven. Everything is benefit driven. And for most people that involves money. My key phrase is always follow the money. Whenever everybody has a chance to make money, cannabis will be legal the next minute. It will become the most politically correct thing anybody has ever done. Suddenly. And you've got to give everybody a chance.

1:59:56MrThey can seize the opportunity or not. And a lot of us on our level are seizing the opportunity because it's actually far too risky and illegal for the big guys to do stuff. How many in our community have been contacted by big industry? Find me one. This is our baby. We've got to take care of it. We've got this. We've defied gravity for this long. We're floating.

2:00:22MrWe're going to make this work. We've got to do it on our own level. Sorry, I begin to rant. I like it. That's how I see it. It's ours to do. It's not to let them have it back. They never had it. They can steal it in a heartbeat. Check the intellectual property rights. All you've got to do is thieve it and rename it. We've been doing it in our own society for decades.

2:00:48MrThank you for watching.

2:01:00SpeakerThere's like a surface fluff of flavor to a zillion strains that are just variations. I'm like, what's the raw original that everything comes out of? And those genome projects where the mapping says, okay, cannabis is really a 32 hit recipe. And from those 32 unique, really stint, like the Congo. The Congo is a perfect example of, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's nothing you just... Get out of a random phenol OG.

2:01:26SpeakerThat comes from an environment that built it from the salts in the soil, from everything. It's just like I look at the grape and the wine industry and I'm like, yeah, you can only produce Italian grapes of this variety with red volcanic soil. Do we get some and import it to produce that true to strain variety? So I'm like, yeah, you can't breed a new Congo without the conditions that created the Congo.

2:01:51SpeakerAnd That's kind of where it's like keep it public. I mean, that's why you're here, letting the regular people who can only handle YouTube and won't be able to thrash through a serious book know that people set up their strains and actually map out the medicinal foundation of cannabis that we're going to be building everything off of for generations to come. I love a billion varieties, but I really like to know true fathers and mothers and what built them because, you know, we all have brothers and sisters, but there's usually only one good child.

2:02:22SpeakerOut of all those phenos.

2:02:25MrYeah, and seeing family relationships is cool too because it may make us realize why we like two different kinds of medicine. Because they're related somehow. But maybe that wasn't clear from all the murk that's been in the way. And if you look back at, I wrote an introductory chapter for Jason King's First Can of Bible. I was looking at it just recently. And I was amazed how dated it is.

2:02:53MrThat was written, and I forget what it was actually published, but it was based on catalog data up to the year 2000 in Dutch seed companies, where all the land races they used to use and things were named, and everybody was really proud of where their stuff came from. And then you hit the 1990s, where everybody... Just published names. No more heritage. And everybody was trying to cover up where it had come from because they'd all borrowed it from somebody else.

2:03:25MrYou know, really. And it got really funny there for a while. So that's why I wrote that Jason King thing because I wanted to document that at that moment because after that it was going to be impossible to figure it out. And it has been for the last 15 years. And I'm looking at it, this article to rewrite it, and I had to add a lot of stuff to it about what people are doing today and the way of breeding and That's for Michka's book.

2:03:50MrIt's going to be in French. Nice. You Capequois can read it. It would be very nice. Moi, je peux.

2:04:02BubblemanMoi, je parle français, alors je vais regarder.

2:04:05MrNo, no, no. Not me. Moi, je peux aussi.

2:04:12MrI only have parler anglais. Merci. Hey, you're talking French now.

2:04:17SpeakerWhat the heck?

2:04:21SpeakerExcellent.

2:04:22MrSo yeah, it's really fun what's going to be coming up. That's one reason I'm back. I'm going to be on more hash churches, and you'll see me around. I'm going to go to events, and I'm kind of waiting for the science to catch up, to become a... And the legislation to allow this to happen. Now you're going to see straight companies sinking big money into solving cannabis problems.

2:04:44MrSome of those might irritate us in the end, but the body of knowledge that is going to come from it is going to be great. Because there are companies that have been waiting just to, I mean, when you say companies, You have to also remember that some of the people who will succeed in this business are not the evil enemy. They're not from the outside. They are you and me.

2:05:05MrThey are our brothers and sisters. They're just better at it than other people. And that's what's going to pan out to. And I'm sorry about that. But in the big, people are going to lose out. It's not going to be a free ride anymore. The speed cooking bikers who made enough, grew enough weed to support their other dirty habits and shit are not going to be able to do this.

2:05:30MrI'm sorry. They're going to drop off. And I think that's probably for the greater good. We don't need to make cannabis a welfare state, which is kind of what it was in my state for quite a while. And that's all dropping out now, man. And when you get regs in... That'll be important. And people are getting poisoned here. You wouldn't believe the shit that goes on in California.

2:05:56MrDo you guys know what Paclobutrazole is? You ever heard of that? Look it up on Wiki. Paclobutrazole. It's certified in the state of California for one purpose, and that's for spaying non-food trees to compact their growth so they grow more slowly. It's a growth hormone. It's a synthetic growth hormone. And they use it, it's only certified to be used under power lines and places like that, so they don't have to trim the bushes under the lines as often.

2:06:26MrThat's it. Well, it's added to lots of fertilizers in California, a lot of name brand ones. I'm not here to slay any dragons, but these are products that are used internationally, some of them too. And they're not required to say if they have growth, or apparently not required to say if they have growth hormones in fertilizers. But Why is your NPK different from my NPK? That would be because my company, I put a growth hormone in that shortens my plant, my clones, when they're flowering, so I grow nice, short, bushy plants with my fertilizer, and you just grow normal plants with your fertilizer.

2:07:03MrSo mine sells better. This is going around like crazy. You wouldn't believe it. Somebody's going to expose this, and it won't be me in the details, but I can imagine lawsuits eventually. This is insane. Paclobutazole has a half-life of a zillion years. I forget what it is, but it's frightening. Look it up on Wiki, as I did. It's not a good thing. And it's unfortunately soluble. I'm sure it's soluble in non-polar sulfates.

2:07:33MrIt's going to be soluble butane. Absolutely. And there's already people who have been reported with poisoning from it. And it's in the tissues because that's where it works, is in the tissues. So... It goes in through the roots, but it's in the tissues. It's where it changes the growth of the plants. It's in the meristems. So this is ugly. And then you've got heavy metals from all these fertilizers that people use too much of.

2:07:59MrAnd then on top of that, you've got the prohibition mentality where you can no longer afford to lose a crop. Back in the day, even 10 years ago, if your grow room packed up, you went, oh, shit. I better talk to some friends and learn a little something and I'll just put this in the trash. Now, it doesn't go in the trash. It gets sprayed with heinous pesticides that are available in lots of them, really bad miticides primarily that are also really toxic.

2:08:32MrIn the Netherlands, you can't even buy any of these without what's called a spray license. You have to be trained to even purchase them. Here people are getting them unlabeled from grow shops with no clue. If they're not hurting themselves in the grow room, they're producing products that go out to consumers. And if you get a bud that's fucked up, you can go, this is a fucked up bud.

2:08:54MrI'm not going to smoke this. If you get goop that looks really nice, you don't know what the hell in it. And it's an extract of badness. Yeah, some goodness in there too. But it can be pure goodness if you know the guy who makes it. But I'm not bad rapping VHO. But you've got to know your source. I mean, you don't want to go into a random dispensary and buy VHO.

2:09:20MrThis is the bog standard, butthole, end product of bad cannabis production.

2:09:27BubblemanYeah. No standards.

2:09:29MrYou know, this is wrong. And it's prohibition bullshit. If we're legal, this would never happen. Those guys are gone. Bye. Sorry.

2:09:39BubblemanI'm happy.

2:09:40MrGood riddance to bad rubbish. They shouldn't be here anyway. So everybody has to shape up. What's good for everybody in general is certainly not good for certain people in particular.

2:09:52SpeakerI like that quote.

2:09:55BubblemanThat was a real stony quote.

2:10:02BubblemanI'm just reading the chat. It's funny some of the things people say. This guy's like, Rob Clark, what about the radioactivity and the ocean water coming from Fukushima going into our plants?

2:10:16MrWell, nobody wants to fuss up to that one, bro. If you can find it in your plants, then we'll know that it's happening. I'm afraid, actually. Because I don't have enough knowledge. They're hiding everything about Fukushima. Stuff's going on there. They ain't telling us.

2:10:36BubblemanWell, here we go. I'm afraid.

2:10:37MrWhen I have knowledge, I'm not afraid. But I'm afraid about that.

2:10:42BubblemanCannabis is a phytoremediation plant, so it removes radioactivity out of soil. So people could very well be planting cannabis around in different areas and then taking that cannabis and getting it tested because that's how, It was accidentally discovered that cannabis is a phytoremediation plant was when Joe Strobel and Jeff Keim, two Canadian hemp farmers, one was actually a tobacco farmer and one was a lawyer, but they were growing on a tobacco field and I guess to grow tobacco in North America they spray a chemical called radium-226, which is a radioactive nucleotide that manipulates the plant in a way that raises the nicotine levels But really what they're saying they're doing is they're spraying like a pesticide or a herbicide.

2:11:28BubblemanThat's what radium-226 is considered.

2:11:30MrPickle that nicotine product, huh? How far?

2:11:33BubblemanYeah. It's crazy. It's really like purely and simply a radioactive nucleotide that mutates healthy DNA. And when you burn it, in particular, it turns into lead-210 and polonium-210, plus probably like 800 other things. It's got the most ridiculous, longest half-life you ever heard. And it's just overall really, really bad shit. And so these tobacco farmers were spraying it on their field and then they grew a field of hemp and they kind of cut it down and they had it ready to be destroyed because it was an experimental crop and then they test the field all the time and they tested the field and the radioactivity levels were like insanely low compared to what they were expecting and they were kind of like, what the fuck?

2:12:16BubblemanAnd then someone was like, well, maybe the Thank you for joining us.

2:12:47BubblemanExtremely radioactive.

2:12:50MrI want to say hello. There's a listener out there, I suspect. That would be my attorney, who is probably watching this because he hasn't come to pick me up, and I realized he hasn't because there's no reason because I'm still on the air. So I just thought I'd say hi, Andy. How you doing out there? I know you're a techie dude. You probably figured this out. So hi to you and everybody in the bar, and I'll be down in the potluck in a while.

2:13:14MrThanks. Bye.

2:13:15BubblemanNice. That's hilarious. Yeah, because we'll just keep going for hours. Like, if he doesn't come pick us up. I know.

2:13:22MrAnd I had to go get a jar of weed and get all hunkered in there. Anyway, I am going to say goodbye pretty soon, though.

2:13:29BubblemanYeah, well, no worries, Rob. It was great to have you, and I know that it's not going to be, you won't be a stranger here at Hash Church because, I mean, come on. What are you doing on a Sunday morning? You're sending smoke signals to the Vatican. Yeah, I'm on. Do it with 300 of your Hash Church brethren.

2:13:45MrThat's right. This is all good. Good to hang with you, Rob. Good to see you all. Anybody else want to say anything before I go? I'm not that much of a hurry, but I mean, I've still got a joint left. So yeah, I'm not going to yet. It's just a bit of a warning.

2:14:02SpeakerI'm going to do a bong rip.

2:14:05BubblemanBong rip. Bong rip. Bong rip. And I guess while we're doing the bong rip, we could have... Oh, we can have Rob tell a simple story of how the book Hashish, kind of how the idea finally came to him or his group of friends, how they came up with the idea that like, let's make this book a reality.

2:14:30SpeakerThis book right here? That book right there. That's the book right there. You got a first edition there? Pardon me?

2:14:39BubblemanYeah. I said first. You got a first edition?

2:14:44SpeakerI believe so. This was bought a long time ago.

2:14:47BubblemanIt's absolutely a first edition. I recognize because on the second edition, my fingers are on there holding a piece of hash.

2:14:56MrThat's right. That would have to be a first edition, but I have a question for you as a book collector. Is the color section intact? No. It fell out. Yes. Okay. This is one of the first 5,000, I think it was. It might have been 10, but I think it was only 5. The very first printing, the glue and the paper combination didn't work like the printer said it would.

2:15:26MrThey all fell out. I don't feel bad. But you know you have a first printing because the pages fall out. So this makes it a super better collector's item. It's not only first edition, it's first printing.

2:15:40SpeakerYep. An early purchase for sure. This book inspired me when I was... I love the book. Did I sell you that book, Darren? I don't think you did, actually. I think I bought it from Honest Omar's when I was... You know, I can't say I might have bought it when I bought that roar off you.

2:16:04BubblemanIt's likely. It's likely if you got one of those first copies.

2:16:09SpeakerYeah, because... I think I did actually. When I bought my roar with the little container and the little ashtray and the match stripper on the bottom.

2:16:23BubblemanThat's awesome.

2:16:24SpeakerYeah, I did the first water extraction method there with the, I took an ounce of weed, I took, put it in a jar, I mulched the weed up, ground it up, put it in the jar, put water in it, shook the shit out of it, Let it sit up on the windowsill for probably, you know, a few days. Just let it settle. And then the hash was on the bottom.

2:16:50SpeakerThe weed was on top. The water was in the middle. Scooped all the water off nicely, everything like that. Took out the hash. It was just muddy, muddy mud. It didn't really impress me. So I scooped it up, put it aside in a bowl, let it sit there for quite a while. And it dried up and flaked up and everything like that. I took a little bit and I sprinkled it in a joint.

2:17:11SpeakerAnd holy shit, fucking wow. It spiced that joint up pretty damn fucking good. I was impressed and it was really dirty hash still. It still had a lot of contaminant in it, but it was the first extraction that I got to smoke and that was because of this book right here.

2:17:30BubblemanNo, we must have smoked hash before that.

2:17:36BubblemanThere was the first... Because there's no way I sold you a rooer without us puffing on full melt that I made.

2:17:42SpeakerIt was the first water extraction that I did.

2:17:47BubblemanOkay, before you bought bags, because I must have sold you bags right around then too. That's when I ordered bags for my shop, actually, I was just waiting for... Because think of the quality of the resin that we would have been puffing when I sold you that rooer.

2:18:02SpeakerOh, that's why I bought the brewer too, because I go, holy shit, look at this, man.

2:18:06BubblemanI think back then it would have either been like Renee or that Champagne, like that stuff was as nice as anything I have today.

2:18:14SpeakerWell, there was never anything that I fucking smoked there that I didn't like. And it was, it seemed like... It seemed like 10 years at least, you know, of me bringing stuff down to you and going, hey, check this out. And I'd bring down a little bit of this little honey oil I made out of some isopropanol and You'd be like, oh, you know, thanks, man. Cool.

2:18:40SpeakerI'll put that aside and try that later. And you would smoke your bubble hash. And you did this for about 10 years. And you never, ever smoked my shit. Ever. Because it just wasn't your level. And it wasn't your way of doing it. It was oils or whatever. And then with the dry sift, dry sifting, when you guys introduced me to that, and you came up, and you were like, Wow, like this is the top five places in the world that I've smoked hash.

2:19:12SpeakerPrince George is in the top five because of the hash that I made. And when you said that, that was like perfect. Right on. I'm on the track, man. I was like, yes, sir. So it's like Rob Clark saying, this is good fucking hash, buddy. It was a good thing.

2:19:30BubblemanI could attest he would say that. Pardon me? I said I could attest that he would say that if he smoked a bowl of it.

2:19:38MrI would, I'm sure.

2:19:42BubblemanWe said it about 15 times at the Legends of Hash this year in about a 27-minute period.

2:19:50SpeakerWell, that's nice to just be mentioned there, man. That's pretty cool. I'll tell you. That's awesome. One day we'll have a Legends of Hash here in B.C. and I'll definitely... Bring something, bring a few things to the table just for fucking sharing and caring and smoking and being together. It'll be awesome.

2:20:13MrThat's the spirit of the whole thing. Yeah, this is Ash Church. I mean, Legends is sort of the high church, the Kumba Mela of the year. Yeah, indeed.

2:20:26BubblemanSo then maybe we should have every 12 years, which I guess we just missed, No, yeah. We just had it. Then that means this year was the Maha Kumbh Mela, dude.

2:20:38SpeakerThat it was. It was. Well, it was.

2:20:45BubblemanFor those of you that are clueless as to what we're talking about, there are festivals in India called the Kumbh Mela that happen every three years, and they alternate through four holy cities, which are, I believe... Varnasi, Alabad, Jaipur, and Haridwar. Is that correct? Are those the four?

2:21:05SpeakerYeah, I think that's right.

2:21:07BubblemanYeah, so those are the four. The Ganges follow them down. Haridwar is the highest up in the north, and then they go down into like Varnasi where it's kind of more intense and there's like bodies and shit burning and floating in the Ganges. It's much cleaner up in the north, but Every 12 years is like the three years, four different places goes to a 12 year and it's now back in Haridwar, which is in the north, which is the Kumbh Mela, the Maha that I went to years ago back in 1998.

2:21:38BubblemanAnd then of course they have a Maha Maha Kumbh Mela every 144 years. Just to give you an idea how long these motherfuckers have been doing this for.

2:21:50SpeakerSomeone's grandchildren's going to it.

2:21:52BubblemanDude, it's unbelievable, really, because it's like a pilgrimage. There's millions of people that are going there. For me, I went with my buddy Alex, who I had in video chat yesterday with Rob. We were chatting. D420K was there as well. We were chatting with each other, and Alex and I traveled Asia back then and went to this festival, and I'll tell you, if you ever wanted a good reason to go to India, that's literally like...

2:22:21BubblemanAn unbelievable experience that can't even be put into words. I think they try with documentaries, but it's still not.

2:22:29SpeakerIndia is on my list over the next few years, so now I know. That's what I'll make sure that I'm there for.

2:22:34BubblemanOh, yeah, dude. You'll meet some cool Rajasthani babas, Shivites, and puff chillum after chillum after chillum. They'll sit and they'll say, one more chillum we are making? True? One more.

2:22:46SpeakerOne more chillum we are making. Yeah, I'm not rude. I will never say no.

2:22:50BubblemanThat's why you'll never leave, dude, because one more chillum they are making all fucking day and night long.

2:23:01BubblemanAfter the third day of not sleeping, you're like, do these guys ever sleep? And then they're like, no, no, you're sitting with the no sleep babas. Oh shit, the guys that just never sleep.

2:23:14MrYou know, one of the reasons we go to events like the Emerald Cup thing is to see old friends.

2:23:21SpeakerAnd I ran into Crucial Danny from Crucial Creations in Arizona days, man. I hadn't seen that bro for a few years. Big, dreaded Danny.

2:23:29MrThey just came from this year doing the Kumbh Mela. They just did it. He and Lisa went and hung out with the bubba's and And did it. And you know how Denny would have been there. I mean, come on. Dreadlocks Denny. He told some incredible stories. Another guy you should get on Hash Church. Denny, if you're watching, you should jump in one day. Bring some music to the Hash Church.

2:23:52BubblemanThose would be great people to access. We'll make a point on, you'll have to send, I'll send you an invite. And that you can forward to them. All the people that you think should be in Hash Church.

2:24:04MrHow many slots do you get on this thing? We got six going now? Seven with you?

2:24:09BubblemanI think you can get about ten. And I mean, that's plenty. There's never really, you know, like, depending on the topic, there seems to be always like two or three, maybe three or four people that are really actively engaged in the topic. And as it switches, there's the other two to three, four that are like ready to switch topics. So it seems to work pretty good. We never seem to have like 10 people all trying to talk at once.

2:24:33MrSo that's... And how do people tune in to know what the topic's going to be for the week?

2:24:39BubblemanYeah. On my YouTube channel at the front page of Bubble Man's World, usually down just a little bit, it'll say upcoming live events. And it's kind of hidden. It's not hidden, but it's a picture of all trichomes. Every week, it's a picture of 99% gland head trichomes. And it'll say Hash Church 13. And I usually start that as soon as I can when I know who's going to be on.

2:25:07BubblemanFor you, I was able to do that. We've never really had... What I would say like a special guest, it's just kind of growing into, you know, giving people a good platform and of course just the idea that the more we talk on here, the more it inspires people to open dialogue and sometimes lead us down to pathways and doorways that we would have otherwise never gotten to or opened or gone through had we not, you know, engaged in the repertoire of dialogue.

2:25:39MrYeah, the whole meeting of the minds thing is great. I like that.

2:25:42BubblemanYeah, and there's a level I think too, there's almost a level that we all feel that's a standard that we want to acquire, that we want, that we feel that there's hundreds of people watching this. And that they don't just watch it and then that's it. These people are taking it away from here and they're sitting at the dinner table and they're a 17 year old kid and his dad just caught him smoking reefer and he's really disappointed in him and instead of taking the shit that everyone took for 40 or 50 or 60 years, he's saying, you know what dad?

2:26:10BubblemanDid you know that you have an endocannabinoid system and that cannabinoids, phytocannabinoids are almost exclusive to cannabis and that they can help regulate our biological functions in our body? And I know for a fact you have health problems, Dad, and I was going to bring this to you and you should keep that joint and I've got more for you. It's just an interesting perspective that it would have been a great time to be alive in the world of the young cannabis puffer who has the undeniable, unchinkable armor, right?

2:26:41BubblemanHe's got this incredible armor that you can't even put a mark into because it's the story of how medicinal cannabis is and how preventative and how all of the, there is no feeling bad about it. And all that prohibition, well, that was just billions of dollars of lies.

2:26:59SpeakerMark, Mark, I need to say something to add to that. On the other side, you also have the parent, the dad that was sitting there looking disappointed, sitting there going, because of the awareness and everything that's out there as well that he's been exposed to without his son's knowledge, that he's going to sit back and go, hey, you know what? Let's fucking try this out, buddy.

2:27:25BubblemanYep.

2:27:26SpeakerBecause he's got enough respect for his son, and he's got enough respect out there that he's open to it, and it also lets that happen as well. So it's just both ends of a fucking beautiful thing, man.

2:27:38BubblemanWell, absolutely. Who's the woman, Dane from River Rock, whose 17-year-old son turned her on to using cannabis and saved her life from stage 4 metastatic bone and breast cancer?

2:27:51SpeakerWolfie's mom. I do believe her name's Karen.

2:27:55BubblemanKaren, you're right. So that's an inspirational story. She went through everything and they were like, sorry, you're done, go home and die. And then her son was like, mom, I've been on the internet reading about cannabis and I think we can do this. I think if we got in touch with these River Rock guys, they could help you. She's alive because of the help that they gave her.

2:28:20BubblemanAnd mainly, no, it was, I mean, I always give the real, we always have to be careful in all of this when we talk about, you know, who did what. I mean, there's saints in all of this, but the real saints is phytocannabinoids, and we can never lose track of that, that it's not going to be anyone's particular thing. Extraction process or anyone's particular product or anyone's, it's going to be phytocannabinoids and the science behind it that we can all share with projects like what Rob's talking about, the Genome Project, that will allow us to move forward in a way that knows more about the knowledge of the cannabinoid profile and how it can pertain to, you know, the recreational, medicinal, and preventative aspects of utilizing it in our day-to-day lives.

2:29:12BubblemanPeriod.

2:29:16SpeakerWell said, brother.

2:29:20BubblemanSometimes I just say shit. What did I say? What was I talking about?

2:29:23SpeakerI forgot.

2:29:29SpeakerYou were talking about goodness. Yeah. Ah, yes, the goodness. Well, what a great Hash Church.

2:29:38BubblemanI thought we'd run it for maybe another half an hour or so, and then we'll call it a day at 12 noon, but it really was a great Hash Church. I know Rob's going to leave us real soon, so I want to say thank you, Rob, for showing up to Hash Church and sharing all this incredible information that you... That you were able to share and just your vast knowledge in regards to cannabis and how it plays a part in daily human life that you've learned throughout your travels.

2:30:09BubblemanVery cool. I appreciate that. You're muted again.

2:30:12MrOh yeah, it's the red button. There we go. Hard to keep up. Thanks, guys. This was really nice. And, yeah, we should do more of this. I'm going to try to tune in wherever I am whenever I can get a line and stuff and try to make this work. It's really nice to meet some new people, too. Incredible. I mean, I know some of you. Horatio, we've never met.

2:30:40MrIt's really good. It's super. The rest of you guys, I bump into. Casey, I see you too many times when I'm just too high. Anyway, it's nice to see you guys. Look at John. There's John there. That's zero. Come on. These are all pals here. A lot of guys here. Then there's the bubbles. So thanks, guys. Is this every week? You do this like real church every Sunday?

2:31:03BubblemanYeah, every week, every Sunday. And if you ever have like someone that you want to, that you think would be really good to inspire some conversation, I'll put their name up on the YouTube channel and a little biography kind of thing and say, hey, come check it out. This is who's going to be speaking today and, Yeah, it's just really the whole purpose is to, A, move our game forward, and, you know, even more importantly than that, to share information that will allow other people to move their, you know, knowledge and depth of learning about the endocannabinoid system, learning about cannabis.

2:31:40BubblemanThis is what it's all about, really, for people to be able to learn this. Wow.

2:31:49SpeakerYeah, this is fucking awesome. What a wicked house church it was this week. This is above average. Good, good church.

2:32:00MrWhoa, whoa, whoa. Very good. Yeah, I'm going to dive off here. Thanks, everybody. Bubble Man, thanks for you, number one. You put it all together. You're a pioneer. One love, brother.

2:32:15SpeakerTake care, bro. One love.

2:32:16MrPeace. One love.

2:32:18SpeakerPeace on Earth, huh?

2:32:20MrAnd have a good, happy holiday season and all that stuff. I mean, come on.

2:32:24SpeakerThank you, bro. Have fun.

2:32:30MrThanks, guys. See you, huh? Hasta pronto.

2:32:33SpeakerYeah, brother.

2:32:40BubblemanWonderful that Rob could join us for Hash Church and I think that it'll be sort of Hash Church turning a new corner because I know that when I told him about it yesterday before he even came in he just thought maybe this could be like a thing that I come and do weekly and I'm like, man, Rob is definitely an ordained minister in the Church of Hash.

2:33:02BubblemanHe's the Pope. What am I talking about?

2:33:08SpeakerYeah. It was pretty cool looking at his book and talking and just listening to his knowledge and stuff. I didn't even know that was his book until yesterday when you were in video chat last night. It was fucking awesome, man.

2:33:28BubblemanYeah, I didn't think you were going to make it in on time last night when you said five minutes because I had a good feeling that he was going to split early.

2:33:36SpeakerWe have...

2:33:37BubblemanGood that you made it in. Well, I'm sure everyone was excited to see Rob come in. And I would implore you, if you enjoyed Hash Church today, go on to my Bubble Man's page, Bubble Man's World on YouTube, and check out Rob's talk at the Cannabis High Times Cup. And if you enjoy that talk, I would say also check out mine and Tony's talk. It was right afterwards, and it's literally the video after Rob's video, so it should come up even as the next one.

2:34:08BubblemanIt's very deep. It's definitely heavy theories that he's laying out. If you want to learn more about that, you can check out Rob's book, like he mentioned, on Amazon. I tell everyone I carry both Marijuana Botany and Hashish because those are important books that people that really have an idea of what's going on and know enough that this is stuff they need to know. Or study or learn about.

2:34:32BubblemanI carry those books for that reason. And his newest book, which is with Mark, can't remember his last name, terrible, Cannabis, the Evolution, and Ethnobotany. So that's the one that would be, you can track down on Amazon, Robert Connell Clark. And yes, Dane, unity in the community, as my good friends the DNA always say. Don and Aaron. Don and Aaron Genetics. I bet you not many people think about that when they think of DNA, even though it is very pronounced, but, you know, you think DNA, as in your DNA.

2:35:14BubblemanIt's kind of a cool play on words. I first met those guys probably about ten years ago when they showed up on the scene in Amsterdam, and they had a booth in the milk bag, and I had a booth in the milk bag, and they were like, I think they had white lab coats on and they were all like, woo, like partying and like had a nice piece and were loading full melt.

2:35:34BubblemanI think it was Martian or something, green Martian or something, like full melt of this Martian mean strain. And I was just like, holy shit, like these guys are fucking on it. Like on it. It was quite something to watch their growth in Amsterdam over the course of the last 10 years. It really was almost a passing performance. Of the torch, so to speak, Adam held down Amsterdam for so many years with the CIA, the cannabis in Amsterdam, and then the KGB, which was the No Good Buds, K-N-O-W, no as in knowledge.

2:36:09BubblemanAnd they had the Empire States Building, and their office was just the coolest office, and they just held it down. They really built that excitement to coming to Amsterdam when I came to Amsterdam in 1995. That's when I first met Adam Dunn at the CIA and back in the back area, Jason Harris, who's known as Jerome Glass, Jerome Baker Glass. He was in the back blowing glass.

2:36:33BubblemanI was like, well, this is like a real birth of it all. That's when I met Rob back then in 1995. And it was really almost over the course of the years from when DNA showed up to when finally I guess Adam left and moved to Colorado, there really was a passing of the torch from the way the parties used to always be thrown by Adam and then they eventually kind of started getting thrown by DNA.

2:36:57BubblemanThe hotbox parties, for any of you guys that went to those hotbox parties, those were some of the most epic fucking parties I've ever been to. I couldn't even believe it, sitting on the couch with Don and Aaron, sitting behind, I think it was dilated people, on stage with that same bubbler, smoking that mean green Martian fucking foam out, just watching the backs of Raka and Evidence and even DJ Babu, because he was even in front of us.

2:37:24BubblemanWe were like on this couch on the stage. The whole place was overpacked and everyone was smoking and I'll never forget Aaron leaning in my ear and saying, We are so getting fined tonight. Because I'll tell you, there were many, many laws broken. Martian Mean Green, I'll tell you. That shit was potent. Really good. So that's a little story for you guys.

2:37:50SpeakerIt's funny too, you mentioned Adam Dunn when you left to Colorado. They started a radio show here with a few other fellows and kind of inspired a bunch of people in the States to get involved in the cannabis industry, so...

2:38:02BubblemanYeah, Adam's always a pioneer, so wherever he goes, he's going to pioneer shit, and the Adam Dunn show is a really pioneering show. It's not like there hasn't been cannabis-based radio shows before, but the work he's doing is very exciting and definitely was an influence on how I do Hash Church. I definitely just do it off of a laptop. I don't have any studio, and we don't have sponsors, and we don't...

2:38:27BubblemanWe don't do it sort of on that level, but he's influenced me greatly over the years and definitely with the Adam Dunn Show. If you don't know about it, check it out on the Adam Dunn Show here on YouTube. You can check it out. He also has a website that does live streaming when the shows are live. I've been a guest myself. I'm sure Dane's probably been a guest.

2:38:47BubblemanI know Tony's been on there. They usually have great guests. And really get into the bottom of things that people are talking about. You know, if it's like, what is OG Kush? And where did the Chem's line come from? And they really kind of get to the bottom of all those sort of things. And I appreciate Adam and Mitch for doing that. So shout out to those guys.

2:39:11BubblemanAnd shout out to DNA. Both, you know, great groups of guys doing big things for the cannabis industry. All right, I'm out, guys. Peace. Take it easy there, Dane. Thanks for coming in.

2:39:25SpeakerTake care, man.

2:39:28BubblemanThanks for coming in. Nice little last 20 minutes of hash church. Probably just going to spend the next 20 minutes chain smoking cannabis resin like a crackhead. So if you guys all want to join me.

2:39:45SpeakerI'm making up a nice batch of coconut oil with a little bit of honey. And mix it up a little bit more. Beautiful. Darren, you were warned you only need what's left on the dabber to last you a week. Rob talked to you about the strength of anything you've produced. You've got to watch it. I'll be a guinea pig to it. I'll test the levels. I'll start off small and end up fucking taking large amounts.

2:40:17SpeakerYou do that. You do that with heat and temperature. If I do this with the honey in it, when I heat it up and make it liquid, then once it cools down, the honey and the coconut oil are separated. So when it's nice and soft, but workable, I'll add the honey, and I'll mix a little more coconut oil in it, and I'll just kind of whip it up, man, so it gets the consistency and mixture that I like.

2:40:48SpeakerAnd that's perfect for me, man. Perfect. And that's what you need. Perfect for you. Yes, exactly.

2:40:57BubblemanI have to be more careful because I'm showing a lot of people how to do things. So I learned quite a while ago that what was perfect for me... Isn't not perfect for the masses. So I like to make sure when I'm sharing my information with people that I'll tell them like you can double and triple the dose. But even if you go and look at my coconut recipe, it's four grams of hash into about one cup of coconut oil, which is not a very strong mixture.

2:41:25BubblemanYou could definitely do eight grams or even 12 grams and it would be more like what Darren's mixing up in his jar there. And if you had a certain ailment, you know, that's what you should definitely do. Or if you're Darren and you really like the effects of the strong effects, then that's absolutely what you got to do. That's the beautiful thing about the bioassay with cannabis.

2:41:45BubblemanIt's just important to, when you're sharing with lots of people, to show them like the small amount and then explain them that you can just double or triple or quadruple. Because if you start at a really strong amount, sometimes people get destroyed.

2:41:59SpeakerWell, I can add to this is what I do. With this, because I could literally cut this into 16 pieces like a pie, take each one of those pieces and add it to two to four cups of coconut oil.

2:42:15BubblemanSure, so you're diluting it.

2:42:17SpeakerAnd dilute it and then put it in jars, and it's a really nice mixture so that you can So that you're not getting messed up.

2:42:26BubblemanYou know what? I would say that that stands and holds definitely with the way you're extracting from herb because you'd lose that. The majority of people really don't like the taste of the chlorophyll, which is all that green that's in the coconut oil. A lot of people, that's bitter to them and they don't like it. So if I was doing it that way, I would also dilute then in a more coconut oil.

2:42:49BubblemanAnd if I was using hash, then I just use the amount of coconut oil that I want in there and it comes out real nice and gold and it just looks so bloody pretty when you use that white or golden bubble hash or dry sift.

2:43:06SpeakerYes, I bet. And I will be doing that as well.

2:43:10BubblemanIt melts to nothing. When you put it in and you've got the crock pot and you've got the coconut oil just finely melted, it's on a super slow simmer of a melt. And I even suggest plugging the crock pot into one of those dimmers. So then you plug that into the wall because the crock pot sometimes gets a little warmer than you want and there's not really like a good setting.

2:43:31BubblemanBut you can pull the power back on it with a dimmer and you can lower the amount of heat that comes into that little metal component in the middle. It preserves terpenes as does adding a lot of water which I saw that you do as well because that's key. You have to... We have to add water to preserve those terpenes, otherwise the coconut oil will get so hot that it'll be boiling, even in a crock pot on low, on the lowest setting.

2:43:57BubblemanSo you've got to be careful when you're making that stuff, which there's plenty of videos out there. I have a video on Bubble Man's World with... Coconut oil hash infusement, and then when you do the coconut oil hash Google search or YouTube search, there's another one that comes up above mine, which is actually the one that I was inspired from. So he's got like 80 or 90,000 hits, and he does an herb one, so it's more of a green butter, but it's a recipe, and it's the recipe that inspired me, that inspired my recipe, and so, I mean, I don't even call it my recipe, it's really just Thank you for watching.

2:44:52BubblemanGetting the resins off the plant and showing different ways of infusing it and decarboxylating it and all these different fun things that really aren't as difficult as they may sound. And when you watch a simple video on it, you realize right away it's like, oh my good, like a simple thing like decarboxylating, which sounds real scientific. All you're doing is adding a little bit of heat for a certain amount of time, and there's a variety of ways to do that.

2:45:18BubblemanAnd when you do that, you... You decarboxylate, you lose the acid ring that's on the THC and CBD and all the other cannabinoids. And then they become active, which is what we do when we smoke a bong or when Rob was smoking a joint earlier. That is really, it would be silly if we said it, but I could say, I'm going to decarboxylate this hash right now.

2:45:43BubblemanBecause this is decarboxylating hash.

2:45:49SpeakerOne of these heat guns is a good tool for people to use so they can see what temperature things are and decarboxylate accurately. Agreed. Those are great. That's a laser? Yeah, laser. $15, $20. Yeah, those are great.

2:46:10BubblemanThat's like as important in my opinion if you want to understand the simple temperatures that decarboxylation occurs at. Then you use something like that to make sure that you're holding that temperature every time. So really simple. It's as important as the microscope to the hash maker who's trying to purify resin. You don't have a microscope.

2:46:33SpeakerOr a pressure cooker with a good gauge.

2:46:40BubblemanYeah, if you're going sealed in a pressure cooker, like I said, there's a gazillion ways to... So you need to do just heat. Yeah, you can bake it in the oven. You can have it in the pressure cooker.

2:46:50SpeakerYou can roll it up in the paper and bake it in the lighter. There's another tool you can use. Like I use the infrared. I find some people, they never anticipate whether the surface they're pointing at is reflective. Like a lot of people used to use Pyrex dishes. It's like a turkey thermometer.

2:47:17SpeakerAnd I literally am stirring with it and getting a direct reading from what the oil is living at. And of course, you get this in the barbecue section. And it goes up to temperatures we need to work at. So you get both the probe as the stir stick and the tool. So that's what I found because I got burnt with Pyrex dishes and trying to decarboxylate that way.

2:47:39SpeakerAnd I'm like, these numbers aren't holding up. The bubbles keep moving. So then I moved to this. Interesting. I'll be grabbing one. Awesome tip. I shall be picking one up.

2:47:49BubblemanYeah, that was a great tip. Both of you guys. I liked True's tip, but then all of a sudden Horatio's like, wow, this is… I love that.

2:47:56SpeakerNow I'm going to treat myself. I'm going to, yep, upgrade. I'm going to get one of those.

2:48:00BubblemanWell, here's the true value. The true value of what he just said, True, which is… It's based on his own mistake, or not mistake, but understanding that the laser was not working in all situations for what he was doing. So that's based on real knowledge. What I often find is people want to offer advice or different ways to do it. Just based on stuff they're thinking about, but they're not actually doing any of the things.

2:48:33BubblemanAnd I'm sure that that's still a valid way to come up with ideas every once in a while, but it seems like the majority of the time, the best way to come up with an idea is go create your own anecdotal evidence by creating the experience, having a mistake or a point in time where you realize, oh, this isn't working, and I think I understand why it's not working.

2:48:54SpeakerYou know, like a An overstanding.

2:48:59BubblemanThe epiphanies that we get so very rarely. And nowadays with how loud the world is outside of us and how we're all attached to cell phones, I think more and more people are missing their epiphanies. They're missing their manifestations that they're, you know, the things that they want in life, they're manifesting by doing all the right actions, but as they come into Thank you. Darren agrees.

2:49:51SpeakerYeah.

2:49:53BubblemanHash Church in it. We disabled shit.

2:49:59SpeakerHere we go.

2:50:00BubblemanLet's see what they're saying in church here. Johnny B, I would like to talk with you about getting medicine for my ailment. Would you be willing to hear my case and give me some advice if I contact you through Facebook, St. Thomas?

2:50:16BubblemanOh, Johnny already answered.

2:50:18SpeakerSorry about that. Just came out. What did? Bong rip, bong rip, bong rip, bong rip. He's got the bong rip cam. Bong rip? Yeah, I answered that. I said that. One person asked me for the Haley's comment. I was like, well, I can't really give out cuts. I've been helping people with drawing advice and stuff like that. I know there's stuff around where you can access buying seeds through seed banks and stuff like It's the whole legalities about what you do, right?

2:50:53BubblemanWell, there's no, we can't put our licenses at risk. What we can do is we can give other people with licenses strains. I'm comfortable with that. I feel good about that. And I feel still protected. And then I just can hope that they can gain access through that they're getting put out there. John and I are both well-known personalities in the canna world. So we can't put ourselves at risk by being so known, and then everyone's like, oh yeah, I got this cut from Bubble Man, this one I got from John.

2:51:24BubblemanWe'd get in trouble, we'd lose our licenses, and we'd lose our ability to procure our own medicine, which is very like, we have to be able to grow our own medicine. It's key to us, and so we can't do that. At the same time, we do feel this very important... Almost responsibility, I would say, I'm sure I can speak for you on this, John, that we want to help everyone, that we want everyone to have the best.

2:51:49BubblemanI don't want to try and keep anything from anyone, but understand that a great way to shut us down and our information and our abilities is for someone in that world to just try and get a strain from us.

2:52:05SpeakerWe give it to them and then we lose our licenses and our ability to grow our medicine, so.

2:52:11BubblemanThat is at the top of the list for Johnny B. He has to be able to grow his medicine. He's totally fucked without it, like potentially eating pharmaceutical pills that are detrimental to his health and his longevity. And I'm not too far off in the sense that cannabis is a guiding light in my life. It's helped me come up with the majority of the cool things that I've done in my life with cannabis-related concepts.

2:52:37BubblemanHas been cannabis and resin from cannabis that has been my guiding light in leading me into all these different areas like macro photography and videography and starting Bubble Man's World and going to the last 20 years of cannabis cups. All these little things, it's my passion. It's what I love to do and I just can't stop doing it anytime soon.

2:53:06SpeakerFor me, it's really my passion became, it wasn't before my fall, but really became after my fall in 2005 and the research and understanding how cannabis helps me with my condition, different strains for different conditions and learning more about cannabis, learning more about the trichome, learning really more about the message, which is so awesome. I think the years of looking ahead of what we're about ready to embark on is just exciting.

2:53:37SpeakerWhat we're always talking about and the direction that everybody's going and just hash church and learning the different ways and different methods of being able to feed our endocannabinoid system. It's just awesome, guys. Good job. Thank you.

2:53:52BubblemanIt's pretty good. It's, you know, here at Hash Church, instead of eating the incorporeal body of Christ, i.e. the wafer and the blood of Christ, we feel that it's important to have the bong water, not to drink it, but to smoke and inhale our vapors and resins through the wonderful cloud of H2O. And so the body of Christ here on Hash Church, because we don't have Christ, we just have hash, Is, you know, feeding your endocannabinoid system.

2:54:27BubblemanGetting some cannabis orally ingested into your body because please don't think that if you're just gabbing 150 times a day that you're going to have an endocannabinoid system that's going to be properly regulated. You're going to have to actually consume, think of it as the fuel that your endocannabinoid needs to run, the system, and you need to put it in there orally. You need to eat Cannabis or cannabis extracts or cannabis infusionments, depending on what you have.

2:54:57BubblemanI personally don't think it's an ideal, great idea if you have cancer or an immune system deficiency to fuck around with chemical extracts and or sugar. So, you know, it's not really good if you're trying to cure cancer to be eating like hash brownies when there's so much sugars which are feeding the cancer. Simultaneously while you're trying to shrink them. So I don't know if this is common sense or not, but it seems like fairly common sense just from like things that you can learn from Googling around simply enough about cancer and about the endocannabinoid system.

2:55:36BubblemanOne is feeding the cancer and one is convincing the cancers to commit suicide through the mitochondria of the cell. And that is a very, those are two very different things.

2:55:48SpeakerWell, I mean, sugars at the root of multiple disorders, whether it's feeding bacteria in your gut to a disproportionate balance that then stops you from being able to digest food properly, sugars at imbalanced sugars, unwhole sugars, processed sugars. It shows up in multiple ways. So the fact that it feeds cancers or it feeds bowel bacteria to go out of whack, that's always got to be an adherence when your main problem is a disorganized situation of health.

2:56:21SpeakerSo whichever way you're using cannabis, balance out the sugar in your dietary lifestyle. It's the same need when you're trying to cure alcoholism. You can't have sugar peaks and sugar falls that send you into a multiple route that will make you drink. So I think everyone should take a real serious look at sugar. And as Dane brought up last week, gluten is another one of those subtle things that triggers a bunch of other things that go out of balance in your life.

2:56:49SpeakerWhy is my gallbladder hurting? Well, it's failing to produce a certain chemical that came from wheat. That disabled your body. So cannabis really is opening us up to all of the other aspects of human nutrition because it seems to work in harmony with it. Because even if you beat the cancer, what lifestyle do you come back to? You've got to come back to something good or else the cancer will come back.

2:57:10BubblemanYeah, because the cancer never really goes away. It just goes into remission. It turns off. The cells are still there. It's still able to... Just to start back up and one of the things that Tony says and I'm pretty congruent with this level of thinking is that we're not really curing things as much as just it's almost like a system that contains all these different things and they're not turned on but through different deficiencies they turn on.

2:57:35BubblemanAnd so you get those deficiencies back up to par and on the level. You get your endocannabinoid system regulated, which is, once again, it's the homeostasis of your immune system and your central nervous system. Having those two systems in congruence, vibrating at the same frequency, everything, that's what the endocannabinoid system's job is really to do. And that's why you get the CB1 receptors in your brain and the CB2 receptors down in your peripheral organs.

2:58:04BubblemanYou've got your Immune system and you have your central nervous system. Interesting that that's where the CB1 and the CB2 receptors would be.

2:58:15SpeakerWell, one of the things about that analogy that I found, I'm like, wow, that's the same thing as soil. The body is the soil. It's like germination conditions. You're trying to change the germination conditions. In any one square meter of soil, there's 2,000 seeds. But when the acidity is right or when the pH is high enough, certain seeds germinate naturally to address certain conditions. And the same thing comes up with disease.

2:58:40SpeakerSo when you go into deficiency... It becomes an ideal situation for even cancer to proliferate. So when you get that cannabis and get that cancer in remission, you've also got to produce that body that is an environment in which cannabis cannot basically thrive and re-germinate. Just like you have weeds and that doesn't mean they naturally grow if you have plants Thank you for joining us.

2:59:32SpeakerWhen you remove those enabler type chemicals and conditions. So hell yeah to sugar, hell yeah to that analogy because I can do the same thing in my garden. And as long as I produce the harmonious environment, good plants grow that are good for humans. And if I chop up and I till the shit out of the soil, bad plants that I don't eat tend to grow and reject the human and say you don't belong in the situation, you've wrecked it.

2:59:58SpeakerSo I'm in total agreement with that analogy when it comes to your body. In cannabis and everything else when it comes to nutrition, when that's in check, disease just doesn't thrive.

3:00:14SpeakerTrue, true.

3:00:15BubblemanVery well said.

3:00:31SpeakerSo True, I've got a question for you. You guys, I remember you guys talked about terp life and therefore you spend a lot of time in a wine type situation running your nose over terps, running it over and over and over. You smell, you get the subtleties. In that study, in that like wine tasting through your nose, how do you find that just the aromatherapeutic effects of terpenes, how is that affecting you in your day?

3:00:58SpeakerDo you tend to go back to plants like people have a favorite rose that tends to heal them inside when they're having a stressful day? Have you identified anything like that that, you know, you may have grown out or you may not have, but you personally like?

3:01:16SpeakerSorry, was that to me? Yeah, Casey, I'm just asking, like, I think about genetics, and I'm like, I just thought, when I saw you and Ramon, I was like, man, these guys just comb over it. I see them just, and you're like, this is our terp life, and I'm like, well, I mean, terp life probably started 10 years ago with a sense of just a passion, so you've got a sommelier taste to go to the point of breeding So we're trying to breed as far as terms.

3:01:42SpeakerWe're just trying to get a real variation. Over here we've got no privilege of being able to get anything tested. So what we're really trying to get is that variation because we are noticing obviously with the different terpenes a massive effect. So it's not based on like indicicity, but that it is the terpenes we're noticing huge differences in the effects that you get from that. And that's why we're trying to look for real unique, varied terpene profiles.

3:02:11SpeakerOnce we can get things tested, then we're going to be able to really know what direction to have a full kind of catalog of varied things rather than have things that are just doing the same thing and have no real merit. Well, that's kind of why I was like, You don't, I mean, the testing helps you prove out what you have and be able to say, yeah, that's the uniquified effect, but nobody has to do that in wine to judge the, you, when you're, you're basically, okay, our breeding program is based on aromatherapeutic values that we're assaying with our noses.

3:02:45SpeakerWhere someone else may go, well, my breeding program is based on bag appeal. Or someone says, no, I'm trying to get as much under a light as I can. You've all developed one passion that drives your whole, it's the whole hierarchy based on one guiding principle. So that's kind of why I'm like, well, what have you noticed? Like, when do you say, smell this, and the person goes, oh, man, I got to eat.

3:03:07SpeakerOr someone goes, smell this, and it's like, uh-oh, I got to go to the bathroom. And you go, well, I don't know what that means, and maybe with testing I'll find the name and look it up and go, yeah, that terpene is exactly what they're using in other medicines to heal this problem. But just off of smell alone, not even being able to taste it, how do you feel?

3:03:26SpeakerBecause, I mean, we don't taste roses, but roses go with humans hand in hand, and they're medicine, you know, 100%. So what could you say on the strains you've come across and that nose effect when it comes to healing yourself? I don't know, it's a hard one really. You do get like the more complex strains are the ones that I'm more drawn to rather than the kind of, you know when you get aggressive strains where it's very single and there's very little to them, those are the ones that aren't really attractive to me.

3:03:59SpeakerIt's the ones where I do find myself like keep pulling it back and forth, back and forth, sniffing it again and again, getting a deeper sniff, moving it a little bit, where there's so much there that They're all, there's too much for you to even grasp with one sniff. Those are the kind of ones I'm going for. Ones that really take a lot of time to think about and to go back to.

3:04:22SpeakerAnd that expresses in the flavor. It's no good to me if that doesn't express in the flavor though. So you know what I mean. There's buds that if you put it in the freezer and you smell it right out of the freezer, you're getting the most volatile terps that are basically subliminating. Right to your nose, you're like, oh my God. It's a whole different world. This thing's different.

3:04:41SpeakerThen you go and you left it in a bag warm and then you open that bag and you're like, oh my God, it's so soft. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, those basically realms of discovery because what you'll find is those are closer to the land race genetics that were so developed through time and effort and I survived the summer, I survived the heat, I survived the hurricane. Of course you're going to be a more complex person and that's kind of where I'm like, We can go forward in trying to emulate the strange we have, but I'm like, I just want to go backwards and discover the mystery, because every time I find something, there was a strange OD from TGA that allowed me to smell, and it was called Oregon Blues.

3:05:22SpeakerAnd he has his Oregon line, but the Blues had a Jamaican that is an arguable land race that... I just back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and I just dropped everything and spent the whole night with him over that one strain. And I'm like, what's that Jamaican in me? He's like, Thank you for watching.

3:06:00SpeakerThat's why I'm like there's going to be 32 strains that you can pretty much make everything out of because they're so complex you just have to isolate it.

3:06:11SpeakerI've got a Broadleaf Black which was a Black Demina hit with a San Fernando Valley Chem and the whole, every last one has been very similar like Rotten, Funk, Rubber and then there's one out of all of them that smells like Cherry Cough Drops. Just cherry, medicinal cherry. And it's got the most beautiful, complex, deep aroma to it. And the smoke, the only way I can describe it is just calming.

3:06:41SpeakerIt's just a beautiful, calming high. Just made me feel nice. And that, I can't wait to have that tested because From the aroma and the uniqueness and the complexity of it and just the feeling I got from it that I knew was going to be there, I knew it was something special all the way through, even though it was the least attractive looking, it didn't look like it was going to do anything up until about week 8 when it started to put on a bit of frost and bulk out, but the smell all the way through was just like...

3:07:14SpeakerCherry, Cherry Menthol. Because that's what, I mean, we know what Cherry Menthol does for coughs, so, I mean, I'm already like, does it have that CBD cherry? Is it already a CBD? That's what I'm wondering, Nick. I'm so curious. That's why I'm like, yeah, even just using your nose, you can start to go, well, I'm holding on to this because what if the potential for a cherry pheno that's producing CBD and a whole different medicinal possibility for people, you can pull that right through your nose.

3:07:44SpeakerThat's why I'm saying tell a story that tells people follow your nose and read up what these terpenes mean because it's going to tell you a whole thing about your plant you didn't consider and we can do a lot without lab testing. A lot of my selection of males is often earmarked from very early when you get little seedlings that you just knock them and they stink.

3:08:07SpeakerFrom when the smell's there, you're getting that kind of aggressive, complex smells from seedlings where you can smell it in the batch and then all of a sudden you give it a knock and it's got a different smell and you rub the stem and then it jumps off and then you smell your fingers and there's something else there and you're like, wait, This is interesting. There's a lot going on here, and it's only a baby.

3:08:28SpeakerAnd you kind of make a note of those ones, and it's often those ones that stand out as it furthers along and you start flowering things out. Well, I remember Mark mentioned that, like, as soon as he cracked that Jamaican seed, the first leaves, he was already reporting back, you know, the keynotes that, you know, I mean, I know you're thinking about that, just that I brought that back up, but Mark, can you say anything about those terps that you got off of even just that initial growth before, you know, even trying to potentially flower and anything like that, the vegetative side of plant smells?

3:09:11BubblemanFrom doing macro photography is when I really started discovering that almost all seedlings contain All this gland heads in the first set of leaves. Now not the first subset of leaves, which is the caudalodon, but the epicodal is what I'm talking about. The first true set of serrated leaves that come up and out. And I photographed this and I posted this on a multitude of venues from my Flickr page to my Instagram to my Facebook page and maybe even shown it in some YouTube videos.

3:09:41BubblemanSo those resin glands are present and they definitely are, you know, To me, it makes a lot of sense that they're probably very rich in terpene in the sense that that's what half of the profile of the gland head that's actually producing the profile, half of that comes from the phenols and the terpenes. So half is terpenes, half are phenols, and those are pushing up into the gland head and cooking up into existence all the whole 100 plus terpenes or 200 plus terpenes that we Know about as well as the hundred cannabinoids.

3:10:19BubblemanAll cannabinoids are like a subclass of terpene. They come from terpenes. That's what produces them. So it makes sense to me that in these really young, young plants that there could be these resin glands emitting nice sticky substances and it would be an amazing way, of course, it makes sense why humans have developed this unique relationship with the plant because there's this, like Horatio said, things that you can do without a lab.

3:10:46BubblemanAnd like True mentioned, you know, there's a lot going on there for such a small little thing. It gets you thinking. Even if you didn't know a lot about cannabis or anything and you just happen to have that tray of seedlings and you happen to bump that one and smell it and be like, be like, oh my God, the rest of them don't smell like this. I mean, you'd have to be completely broken not to understand that you should keep that one.

3:11:11BubblemanRight? I mean, that's important that, of course you keep the stinkiest, most awesome, delicious one. That's the beauty of cannabis, that we have that available to us. And, of course, then the advantage becomes, like I think Horatio was mentioning, the sommelier. There's a certain level of sommelier, which is like it's a small percentage of people that have this level of olfactory that they can smell the layers of what's in this wine.

3:11:37BubblemanLike they can smell the barrel, and they can smell that it's been maple soaked, and they can smell that this has been used. And it's just really quite incredible. And I think it's very similar for cannabis because the majority of the breeders that I meet that produce the real fire, you know, I have no doubt whatsoever that they have a more tuned, sensitive olfactory.

3:12:04BubblemanNo doubt.

3:12:08BubblemanSo that wasn't a question, it was mostly a statement, but...

3:12:12SpeakerYes, it was. Yes, it was. My buddy Carrie stopped by. He wanted to stop by and say, hey, run over this dankest train wreck. Day 77. Horatio, you know this, bud. It is killer.

3:12:30BubblemanExcellent. Beautiful. Always good to get killer buds. I would break the shit out of that bud up and crush it and run it through my bags and run it through my screens and fucking just decimate it and decontaminate it. And then I would unveil the true purity of your friend's resin and he could be proud. Okay, so that number five that you cleaned, he grew it.

3:12:51SpeakerHe gave me that plant. He does. I'll get a plant and it'll dry for three months and then we get to smoke him.

3:12:58BubblemanNice. Well, I just, I cleaned that for you last time. I just smoked a few grams, a few grams, a few dabs of it, but it was definitely strong, very, something that I would suggest an insomniac have, someone that really wanted to inspire sleep. I think it's a good sleepy strain that made me feel like relaxing and sleeping.

3:13:22SpeakerYeah, that's why it's at night time, kind of have.

3:13:27BubblemanI mean, that's what I found. It's not to say that someone else could hit it and say, no way, it got me super active.

3:13:32SpeakerNo, no, everybody's claimed the exact same thing. They don't want to smoke it. It puts them to sleep.

3:13:39BubblemanWell, one day you'll find someone that smokes it and it makes them awake. That's the beauty of the human experience.

3:13:46SpeakerThere you go. Very, very nice. Hey, guys, I'm going to sign out. It's been an awesome church, awesome session. That's how long we're up before I head out. Darren's out of here.

3:14:02BubblemanI think I'm going to stop Hash Church at 10 after 12 now too, so let's all take one last rip and we'll call Hash Church a day. That is December 21st, the last Hash Church before Christmas. My first. Happy Hanukkah, whatever you're celebrating.

3:14:20SpeakerMerry Christmas, everybody. Merry Holidays. Merry Christmas. Have a awesome time to your families. Everybody, Merry Christmas. Peace. Hell yeah. Bubble on. Smoking. Oh, did I just drop down?

3:14:45SpeakerGrab another. I got another hash out.

3:14:52SpeakerI'm going to leave it up to somebody else.

3:15:08BubblemanAwesome, D. Well, thank you, True, for coming in.

3:15:19SpeakerThank you, Darren.

3:15:21BubblemanThank you, Horatio, Johnny B and his buddy. Big thanks to... Robert Connell Clark for coming in and speaking with us today and hopefully joining us for more Hash Churches. And really, big shout out to all the people, like the 250 to 300 people that watch Hash Church today around the world. Thanks for sharing your time with us, guys and gals. We know it's a valuable time and we appreciate it.

3:15:47BubblemanAnd we hope that, as always, that you gained many things from Hash Church. So peace out.

3:15:53SpeakerPeace out. Thanks for watching.

3:15:55BubblemanBye everyone.

3:15:55SpeakerSee you guys next week.