Cultivation, Extraction, and Endocannabinoid System

0:03BubblemanHello everybody and welcome to Hash Church episode 12. Thank you all for showing up. It's a cold and crispy British Columbian morning today. I came into my office and I guess it was earlier than I thought and my lights haven't even turned on yet. So I have my tent back up and running since I got home. I was lucky enough to have Johnny B come by and drop me off three little babies in Afghani, which is the GG1.

0:32BubblemanA Barb, which is... Hello, everybody.

0:34SpeakerOh, and welcome. God, I do that every pretty much week.

0:38BubblemanAnd I got a watermelon, which is the Astro Boy, TGA Genetics, and then the two, Afghani and the Barbara Bud from Great Gardener. So those are sitting in the tent. Probably those lights will get lit up anytime soon. I can't tell you how happy I am to be back in the sense of being able to have my garden going. So that's quite exciting. I guess we will get some texts from people in the near future so I can send out the hash link.

1:08BubblemanI guess I'll just send it out to a whack of people. Why not, hey? Let's see how many we can get in today. Let's see. We'll invite Flav. We'll invite Johnny B. We'll invite Jibs. Always nice to hear from Jibs. And Tony. And Horatio. And D420K. Of course, Roberto, maybe. Who else? Who else? Who would like to come into Hash Church, I wonder? The movie. All right.

1:41BubblemanThe movie was hilarious. For those of you that saw the video and saw me bump into Flav out in North Vancouver, we were both with our two sons. We'd taken them to a movie and we bumped into each other and it was very cool. We only, well, we sat with each other through the movie. It was actually Flav's young son's first Thank you for watching.

2:32BubblemanYes, Prophet Marcus, everyone needs the Congo, everyone needs the Afghani, everyone needs the watermelon. Really, everyone needs it all. I mean, my goodness, there's a lot of strains out there that people could be using. We'll see what happens. Well, I think it's probably a good idea to wake up with a little feeding of my endocannabinoid system. So, I've got my... Coconut oil, really nice psychedelic looking mixture right there.

3:01BubblemanThis is the newest batch, dropping a tiny bit on the computer, better eat that up.

3:07BubblemanThere we go. Melts pretty fast when it's out of the fridge. Oh my God, does that taste good. So, if you guys aren't right now, I suggest that you do while we're here in Hash Church, that we all feed our endocannabinoid systems together. Now, of course, smoking and vaporizing is wonderful for all sorts of different things like the relief of ocular pressure, the increase of an appetite, the stimulation of sleep, release of tremors, a bunch of different things.

3:41BubblemanCannabis can relieve pain all sorts of different ways by smoking it. The more we learn about our endocannabinoid systems, the more we learn that how we feed our endocannabinoid systems is by the intake of phytocannabinoids orally. So, I've got my little coconut oil here. And I put a couple of blueberries on there because it is quite a strong, strong taste when you get a larger amount. And I say cheers to my brothers and sisters in Hash Church.

4:07BubblemanI hope you are all feeding your endocannabinoid system this morning.

4:14TonySo good.

4:26BubblemanSensitive tooth hair. No. I did not mix lecithin with my coconut oil. My coconut oil is pure coconut oil and hashish. That is all that is in my coconut oil. So...

4:44BubblemanLet's see what we are saying with guests. I don't think I've ever been in Ash Church this long by myself.

4:55BubblemanMaybe Matt wants to come play. Oh, geez, I'm sending the wrong link. That's why. I just sent out a message to everyone, and I sent them a YouTube link, wondering why they haven't come in yet. And Horatio's reminding me. Thank you for watching.

5:42BubblemanBasically the things that people wanted him to talk about, which is his new theories on the Afghanica, the Indica, and the Sativas, how the majority of most strains that we smoke are Indica-based. Rob has this really new sort of concept on this, and a lot of people are disagreeing with him, but being the guy that he is, I suggest that we offer him a little bit more respect and at least listen and try to understand Where he's coming from because the man is definitely well versed in all of this.

6:17BubblemanHey, how you doing Horatio? Alright, alright. Another morning here, a little Saturday morning church. I just fed my endocannabinoid system. Hello, welcome Johnny B. Johnny B is starting it out with a bomb riff.

6:31JohnnySo I've got a question. Now we had talked a long time ago about doing an oral meds hash church in which we all got really wigged out by the third hour. I saw you're on the different world early. Is that today? Is that what we're doing? Are we taking orals?

6:53BubblemanYou know what? I just did today already, and I'll probably eat more throughout the day. I would have to eat a lot of this particular batch of coconut oil to get wigged out. It's not impossible. But, yeah, I mean, I kind of love the idea of teaching people how to feed their endocannabinoid systems without the wigging out part, although I do appreciate the wigging out part from a recreational standpoint.

7:19BubblemanAnd I'm sure many people do, but from an endocannabinoid system, sort of, I mean, probably more people, you know, need it than not, surprisingly enough, with all the deficiencies that people have going on in their endocannabinoid systems. Maybe it'll be neat one day when there's a simple test that you can take, a simple test that they can tell you, wow, you are seriously deficient in your endocannabinoid system.

7:44JohnnyWell, you never know. It may be just voting conservative. That may show it, but...

7:49BubblemanIt might be, yeah, that's probably a very good sort of... I didn't say that! Thermometer for Joe Strady. If you find yourself voting for the conservative government, you may have an endocannabinoid deficiency. I said it, Horatio. You said it, I repeated it.

8:08JohnnyYeah.

8:09BubblemanAnd then I'm going to tell everyone that I said it first. Go for it. Welcome, Tony.

8:15TonyHey, what's going on, guys?

8:18BubblemanIt seems like it's been forever since I've seen you after living with you for two weeks.

8:23TonyYeah, right? I've lost like 10 pounds since the last time I've seen you.

8:28BubblemanWow. What the hell were you doing? Hot yoga.

8:32TonyWell, I haven't done hot yoga. I've been with a hot woman. Oh, my God. You've been pumping off the weight. No, not quite like that. She's gotten me off of dairy and sugar and gluten and wheat. Oh, my God. And carbs and anything that has preservatives, nitrates, sodium, everything has to be natural now. What did you eat in Italy? Everything? Everything, yeah. We're just loving life down there, hey?

9:01TonyWe ate 10 pounds while I was there. Shut up.

9:07TonyYeah. I got some interesting gifts the other day. We had a Christmas party last night.

9:15TonyWe had a Christmas party.

9:18BubblemanAnd how did that go? Wow, we have 144 people in here already watching. That's quick.

9:24TonyWe had like a couple hundred people, most of the people that worked there. And we had big awards. I do awards every year for like MVP, Best Product, Best Grower of the Year, different things like that. And of course this year... The Melts won with the best product of the year being Full Melt. Was that banner? Yeah, just in a sense like a product. So instead of picking like an extract artist, pick like for the actual company what was the best product in one year.

10:04TonySo you look at all the different achievements that an extract or flowers or something could or live resin has the ability to win. Yep. And so Live Resin did pretty good this year, you know, two or three little achievements, but the Full Melt from one year ago, Legends last year, there was Trichome Heavy took the Davido, second place, Secret Cup first place, came back at Legends second, third in US Hash in Denver, second in Amsterdam, Then first patient choice connoisseur at the THC Championship and then first overall best product in the state.

10:51TonySo you can't really ignore that the Full Melt is actually stronger than any other product.

11:01BubblemanI mean it must be a reason why I'm puffing it on a daily basis. I don't think it's my ego. I'm pretty sure it's just because I like it the most.

11:09TonyI mean, you know, at the end of the day when somebody says, If you really want to look how safe it is to consume on massive amounts, if you want to smoke hash every single day, you know, even in a closed loop system, purged perfectly into shatters or live resins or whatever, there's still not enough technology out there to test everything, even if you use a solvent of any kind, terpenes, whatever that would be.

11:37TonyAt the end of the day, you can guarantee this is the safest product as well.

11:43BubblemanYep, agreed. I find that it's interesting that, where was my train of thought going with this? Just in regards to, I was talking to my friend yesterday and he bought one of Giddy Up Systems here in BC. So he's got Giddy Up's buddy Mike who's down here. I think they were making it yesterday. They were doing the first batch of live resin and he was so excited.

12:05BubblemanHe's like, dude, I got this machine and I don't want to open blast. I think it's all fucked up. And then he's talking about how he's going to buy one of these explosive free rooms from Giddy Up. And at one point I was like, dude, I'm just bouncing fucking resin over screens and then I use water and ice. You've got rooms that can't explode. Like, This seems so serious.

12:29BubblemanHow far will you go?

12:33TonyI know. At the end of the day, here's what's up. A closed-loop system with all of its fittings won't have a static charge. They're not going to have ways for it to actually blow up. When it's done running, you've got about 10% of the entain left. There's so many ways to clean it. Thank you for joining us.

13:18TonyThings are vented properly in the right, if the vent's on top or below, you know, butane or entane could be heavy. But at the end of the day, is it really going to explode? In that scenario and what they put us through, I don't think so. But what could happen is if you put three, four machines together and you put a bunch of people working together, which is what we have, you have to be very careful and you have to know what you're doing and you can't have any gas escape or release.

13:45TonyAnd that's really what the threat is because if something does blow, Thank you for watching. See you next time.

14:08BubblemanThis is a bomb. Like if this blew up, it just freaks me out. Even when we were mentioning that Giddy would obviously have a place if Jamaica came through and that there would definitely be hydrocarbon extracts on the far end of something or some type of an extract that's other than water and chemical. Water and ice, I should say.

14:31TonyCO2 could be used as well.

14:33BubblemanYeah, that's a little bit more. It's still very fucking compressed. Hopefully Mike West comes in because he's avidly running a CO2 machine. Right now he's got one that he runs 24-7 and then he's got, I believe he's just purchasing another three. They're very expensive though.

14:51TonyYeah, for the CO2... We're actually going to bring those on with another company, a very respected company in the community, not in Colorado, that's going to be joining us here shortly with United Cannabis in River Rock. But everything they do is subcritical CO2, and I've been working with them, and subcritical CO2 is a little different than another CO2 machine. But the idea here is that a lot of this stuff, you kind of set it up, and you just let it sit.

15:25TonyAnd you let the machine do a lot of the work. And with CO2, there's not chances of explosions. You know, there's just not a chance. Yeah, it's under pressure, and if you've got the right equipment and everything, it's very, very safe. I don't have that same kind of feeling inside my heart, inside my chest, as I do with Entane. Good, good. That's good to know.

15:50BubblemanWell, butane's a dangerous fucking chemical, regardless of what its abilities are and regardless of how often we use it on a daily basis. I freak out literally putting a butane can into the back end of a torch. I'm like, I just can't be the guy who blows up with butane. What's that?

16:09TonyI do the same thing. I'm like, I have this thing and I'm like. Dude. Because Colorado has so much static. You just don't know.

16:18BubblemanYeah, Jesus Christ. Well, I'll tell you. What we have is we have a couple of brothers and one of them's name is Dan and we called him Burnt Dan and Burnt Dan was very badly burnt in a propane explosion when he was younger with his brother. They were fucking around with this propane tank and it blew up in their faces and And so Dan is like, has no fingers and mittens for hands and his ears are all burned off and his whole face is completely disfigured.

16:45BubblemanI mean, the guy is fucking beyond burned, okay? It's terrible. And I think if people just had someone like that in their life, we also have Mr. Cookie who's not terribly burned, but if he pulls his shirt down and he shows you his arm, he was in a butane explosion and he's a chronic and he's the exact kind of guy that would love But he doesn't love it anymore because he tries to explain to people it's really fucking dangerous.

17:11BubblemanLike if you're not using a closed-loop system, you are insane.

17:16TonyInsane.

17:17BubblemanInsane, dude.

17:19TonyInsane.

17:20BubblemanHoly fuck.

17:22TonyYeah. No, there's no doubt about that. You just can't, you're, You're not going to make it. You're just not going to make it if you try to go that way.

17:32BubblemanThe whole purpose on finding the medicinal aspects of cannabis and using it, it really has been the prohibition of cannabis that has helped us push the boundaries with understanding its capabilities and understanding the relationship that we're able to have from it once we remove it from the perspective of a drug source or an herb and we look at it from the perspective of a food source.

17:56TonyYeah.

17:57BubblemanIt's an essential food. It's literally like they made essential amino acids illegal. Oh, welcome, Mike. Hey, how are you guys doing? Did you hear us talking about CO2? Were your ears burning? Or did I send you a message telling you that I was talking about CO2?

18:13MikeYeah, yeah, something like that. Once I hear that, I got to tune in, even though I'm on vacation. But hey, can't complain. I'm sitting here by the beach.

18:22BubblemanOh yeah, that's nice. We were just talking a little bit about just the feeling.

18:27TonyIt's snowing outside my window. Are you serious? Full on snow here, look. He's on the beach.

18:34BubblemanMike's got the bluebird.

18:37TonyWe got the opposite weather going on here between Mike and me.

18:41BubblemanHold on. Wow, and look at Mike's. Not a cloud in the sky. It's a fucking beach.

18:48BubblemanThat's West Coast living, baby. Yeah, why am I...

18:52MikeWest Coast Livin', right? No, I'm down in San Diego right now.

18:57BubblemanOh, wow. Shit, I was gonna say, it's not that nice up in Washington.

19:03MikeNot quite.

19:04BubblemanNot quite.

19:06MikeNow, we're... Huh?

19:10BubblemanI said you rockin' like 80 plus degrees?

19:14MikeUh, no, it's about 65, 66. Oh, wow. About 18, 19 centigrade.

19:22BubblemanWe were just talking about that feeling we get when we're standing next to like a closed loop system or the idea of someone running like a hydrocarbon as opposed to the feeling of standing next to a CO2 machine. Tony was saying he doesn't get that feeling in his stomach or his heart like it's going to take out the block.

19:40MikeYeah. I mean it's, the more that you know, the better prepared you can be for whatever goes on. I mean, When you have a CO2 extractor and it starts leaking or one of the fields pops, you hear a loud hissing sound, but you run towards the machine so that you can stop the hissing as opposed to running out of the building.

20:12MikeI mean, it's... I'm lucky enough to have worked in the biofuels petroleum industry, so I kind of know how to handle most of the situations, but it's one of those things that hearing hissing on a BHO versus CO2 is a little bit different reaction.

20:29BubblemanYeah, you're running, but in different directions. I like that.

20:32MikeYeah. So, yeah, it'll be interesting. I mean, when you look at some of the new things that have come out on the market, the Like diethyl ether using carbon dioxide as a propellant, I think that's what the combination for the MZX-12 is. I mean, that's a flammable using a non-flammable as a propellant.

20:56BubblemanIs that kind of like sensor dust fucking spray or something?

21:00MikeThe feather dust was a chlorinated one, but yeah, there's a couple different products that are being released right now. One of them is basically an ether. So if you guys know what ether is, they use carbon dioxide to To make ether a propellant. And then there's other ones as well. I mean, when you look at, you know, using different solvents, co-solvents, whatever, the key is mixing the polar and the non-polar solvents because you'll get a wider array of phytonutrients extracted.

21:33BubblemanOf course, yeah. Jim Frayer talked about that a little bit on the Adam Dunn show a couple, maybe three weeks ago, and that spawned a whole conversation in here about... About that sort of coffee drippy sort of butane thing that people that are only extracting the non-polars or the pol... I can't remember which one. I think it's just non-polar. The butane pulls out non-polar.

21:57MikeYeah, it's... Yeah, carbon dioxide is primarily non-polar. Where something like alcohol and propanol sometimes can be polar. Methanol... The awesome polar solvent.

22:15TonyThat's why I came to finally the conclusion of super critical CO2 reinstalling the terpenes and then using a plant that I can control my polarity. And that's what I've been using. Because when you're thinking about daily use of a sublingual that you put into your body as a bio-nutrient, you shouldn't have to rotate it. So like GW Pharmaceutical has a An ethanol-based spray that has complaints because patients have to rotate cheeks inside their mouth because they're getting kind of kicked back and some problems with it eating up the inside of their mouth.

22:53TonySo ethanol, ether, any of the solvents, whether they're polar or non-polar, it's really important to get it out of the final product, whatever you're using it for.

23:04BubblemanHere's a question, guys. As I'm talking about this, I'm seeing in my mind how the trichome produces cannabinoids through the production of terpenes and phenols. And I'm wondering if the terpenes are one polarity and the phenols are another polarity. Because it's these two components that cook in the top of the trichome head into existence, CBG, and from there, all the rest of the cannabinoids and terpene profile.

23:29BubblemanWhat do you guys think about that?

23:31MikeYou actually have a combination of polar and nonpolar. When you look at the oil molecules itself, a lot of times they'll have a polar head and a nonpolar tail. So it's actually a combination of polar and nonpolar. For example, I believe lemonene is a polar terpenoid, sort of slightly polar terpenoid. It's a ring that has a slightly more polar head, but it's listed as a nonpolar solvent.

24:00MikeAnd it's because... I think that there's going to be a broad spectrum of, and depending on when you're harvesting the plant as well, you'll have both polar and non-polar. As oxidization occurs within the trichromes or during the processing, you'll actually have the oxidization causing some conversion. Interesting.

24:22BubblemanI love that you're just walking down the street with palm trees reflecting in your eyes, and you're just dropping mad fucking knowledge. You're just like, yeah, so...

24:31TonySo we're all hiking the rainforest here. Yeah, I agree with what he's saying. That's why I think it's important when you're dealing with a medicinal herb or plant and you're dealing with one that's complex like this that has 85 to over 100 possible cannabinoid compounds and combinations, it's really about... Providing a full spectrum sequencing for that medicine so that way you can pull out the properties that you need.

25:06TonyThat's why like Friday I released that chart. It didn't maybe make sense to everybody, but it's kind of an easier way to look at how we're doing P1 to P4 in the sense that we're trying to capture all of the, like the P1 as an example that has THC, that would be high THC with high Terpene profiles that would have the limonene, things that you would see from the tangy or lemon, things that would have citrus or lime or lemon into it.

25:37TonyYou're going to be able to pull out. It's easier to focus your extraction on pulling out certain properties there. So when I break it all down and pulling out the terpenes, we're pulling out all of the plant material while it's alive before it's dead. Thank you for joining us.

26:16TonyAnd so many people get really concentrated on focusing on like say butane or propane or one type of solvent to try to extract THC or THC in terpenes. But I think ultimately at the end of the day, we've seen a division between CO2. We've seen a division between all these different types of extractions and gases. But ultimately there's going to be, I think, a hybrid that will come up Very shortly, and that's kind of what I've been focused on working towards.

26:50BubblemanAnd Dry Sift is certainly going to be a part of that, we know for certain.

26:55MikeOh yeah, I believe there will be actually, you know, some of the most efficient extractions and bioprocessing will actually come from not just CO2 or butane, but The combination of the two of those, as well as using the two of those in conjunction with other co-solvents, that's where we're going to actually be able to say, okay, we know when we do a GCMS or HPLC on a specific strain that it has these polar solvents, these non-polar solvents, or terpenoids and bioflavonoids, so we'll actually have to use a combination of different percentages of different solvents to most efficiently extract the different strains with different ratios.

27:36TonyYeah, on this topic, we've got next week, Wednesday, we find out something. There's a grant that a group put in in the state of Colorado, and whether the grant is funded or not, more than likely we're going to fund the project ourselves. But ultimately what it is is they filed a grant for $1.8 million over the course of three years, Thank you so much for joining us.

28:31TonyThat will be analyzing not just the DNA mapping of the strains, but breaking down all the different products that they're going to test for efficiencies. So as an example, if I have a Prana line, they're going to say, okay, you say you're using these particular strains in these particular categories with these particular terpenes that are modulating these particular ratios of cannabinoids, and then we effectively test the efficiency of 0.5 to 0.5.

29:01TonyWe're going to start testing these dosages with these ratios with the product itself broken down, the testing broken down, the strains being mapped, and the modulations that are happening at a chemical level. Ultimately, that's going to tell us the most effective and efficient programs to use. If you were trying to target post-traumatic stress disorder or anxiety, I could tell you Thank you for joining us today.

29:44TonyThank you for joining us.

30:05TonyWhat's interesting is that they have the approval to do that here in Colorado now. So it'll be the first of its kind to do human observational trials on cannabis-based products. So if they get the grant, then you're going to see a comparison between flowers being smoked, hash being smoked, edibles, something like our Prana line. If they don't get the grant, then we're probably going to fund that so that way we can actually do our particular product lines and fine-tune Thank you so much for joining us today.

30:37TonyWe'll be right back.

31:04TonyTylenol, let's say 80 milligrams, does X, Y, and Z for the body. But at 500 milligrams, it drops those properties of what it can do for the body in the low dosages of 80 milligrams. But at 500 milligrams plus, it does something completely different. And that's pretty much what cannabis is able to do too. So if you're looking at it in what can it do in micro doses of 2 milligrams versus 50 milligrams, you have completely different effects.

31:32TonyAs well as being inactive or activated. So there isn't any studies out there on inactivated. And that's what we've done is put everything in an inactive state. And then we've also given the option of activated. So it's kind of like we built a guitar. There's 12 chromatic notes. I hand over the guitar to the doctors and the clinics. And they need to tell us, you know, they need to make the music.

31:58TonyAnd they need to tell us exactly what... What specifically is the best results?

32:03BubblemanWell, I have an interesting thing to put into all that, and very well put, Tony. Thanks for sharing your ideas. That's very inspirational. I wanted to take it back a little bit, and I guess what I would want everyone who's watching to do is I would want you to Google inside the trichome, and trichome is spelled T-R-I-C-H-O-M-E, And this is for most of the people that are watching right now.

32:28BubblemanThere's a couple hundred. And this is an article that I did with Jeremiah some years ago in regards to trichome production. And if you can scroll all the way down... To where it says inside the trichome and next to it is sort of a picture of a trichome and there's green and red and blue and yellow and those colors will actually come in handy because this goes back to my question that I asked Mike and Tony and everyone in the room and also welcome D420K.

32:57BubblemanThanks for showing up buddy. So what I wanted to talk about in here was if you look at the picture of how the trichome produces The cannabinoids, it says, organols produced by the plant called vacuoles, which contain phenols, a chemical compound similar to alcohol, pictured at right in the blue, and another type of organol called plastids. Thank you for joining us.

33:41BubblemanWhat do you think the possibility of the blue vacuoles and the red plastids, now the vacuoles are creating phenols and the plastids are creating terpenes, they're pushing them upwards. I'm wondering if the terpenes, the particular plastid terpenes in the red Are of one polarity while the vacuoles, the phenols are of another polarity. That is what I'm thinking. Not what they produce with the magic of synergy and UVB light, but how they come out raw from those organelles.

34:17BubblemanI mean it's an impossible question to answer, but I think it's an interesting one to put forward into Hash Church.

34:24JohnnyWell, I can throw some observational facts out there. I mean, with my extraction process I'm losing terpenes both to water, both to alcohol, and both to limonene, so I've smelled the breakdown of a flower over the different reclaimed solvents, and I'm like, holy shit, the alcohol took all my earthy in the final purge out, or damn, that limonene is sure starting to smell more tropical and less limonene-like, so each of those terpenes do have their own polarity, because Even limonene itself, someone asked, what's the pH of limonene?

34:58JohnnyAnd it's like, well, there's no pH. It's more if something else touches limonene, then it has a reaction that will give off a pH. So when you mix it with water, the water becomes acidic, and then that water corrodes the container that it's in. So when it comes to those different polarities, absolutely, the different polarity solvents that we use strip certain terpenes out because I can literally smell what's in my water, what's in my alcohol, and what's in my limonene.

35:25BubblemanBut that's also going back to what they're producing. What I'm saying is at the base, before they go up and before they cook all those different non-polar, polar, and semi-polar components into existence, I'm wondering what the actual polarity of those products are before they go up and cook. It just seems interesting that there's these two things sitting inside that trichome head that are the main producers. I always think about it, phenols and terpenes.

35:53BubblemanI don't know the science behind them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone came in and said, we did the science, we found out that the plastids, the phenols inside of the plastids are all non-polar, and we found out that the terpenes that start originally are all polar. Now, of course, I'm just theorizing this, but I saw it in my head that way, and I thought I would push it forward.

36:12BubblemanI think it might be a little advanced for Hash Church, but maybe in a year, once more labs are built and more work is done, we'll have a better understanding of such things.

36:21JohnnyI mean, I don't, I don't, the reason why I don't think it's so far off is because, I mean, you're talking about that polarity. We talked about hydrophobic and hydrophilic, and if we look at those terpenes on their own, coming from other plants, not even cannabis related, so we're not talking about a mixing in the same trichome head type state, and they all have a polarity, and Thank you for watching.

37:03JohnnyA composite result. They're not all hard. They're not all soft. Once you breed these two together, it becomes harder. I've seen that in the trichomes when it just comes to whiting out and what's prone to white out. And I've seen it in the solvent extracts, which what's prone to buttering. So when you say that the terpenes are different until they're blended, I'm like, absolutely. That blend is what makes every strain behave so differently.

37:26TonyYeah. First of all, I think that when people ask me why am I best friends with Bubble Man, And some people on the outside are like, well, he's just a hash maker. The fact that you can put that together is why we're friends. Because I think that your theory is going to be proven right. And I would take that a step further and look at precursors. So how CBGA is a precursor to THC and CBD.

38:01TonyAnd you can change that mutated gene and produce more CBG if you wanted to. But if you look at things as precursors and what you're talking about is a hormonal change. And so the plant has different phases. And so when it goes through a vegetative stage with a certain type of light cycle and it moves into a flowering stage, you start to change the hormones of the plant.

38:25TonyWhen the hormones change, it starts to secrete different things. And so what happens is in a hormonal change, when the light cycle changes, those three areas that you're indicating are also going to be precursors to those things. The polarity, I think you're going to be very close to what you're saying in finding out that information. In fact, I think that the reason why when you look at the pH of the water in which you feed your plants is very important.

38:55TonyThanks for watching.

39:20TonyAnd so I think that we'll find that that is why it's such a fine line with what the water is pH like and why you have to have clean water and why we have to have proper roots and all of these things that go into the cultivation of the actual resin heads are those things Precursing modulators to that system that you just talked about. And when we go from vegging to flowering, it starts to change.

39:51TonySo CBG in that aspect also changes. So when we're vegging and we're seeing those little oils and secretions, that's a hormonal change. So I think it's going to be linked to the hormonal change, in my opinion.

40:03BubblemanWell, that's damn exciting. I have to say, I was just shooting out thoughts and ideas, and it's really one of the reasons why I'm friends with you, Tony, because I can shoot out an idea like that, whereas most people are looking at me like, I think Bubble Man might be like a couple screws loose. He's talking about shit that I don't even know what he's talking about.

40:20BubblemanAnd you're just like, dude, I think that that could be potentially true. Which, who knows? I really don't know. I just know that I want more of us to talk about it. I think that I'm done with this sort of Internet situation where we need to put our best foot forward and never show our mistakes and always, because otherwise people jump on you and you get trolled and it's like we're all trying to protect ourselves.

40:43BubblemanBut Hash Church is all about coming out here, talking about whatever your ideas are about, not protecting any companies, not protecting any people, just like shooting the shit with your buddies, but then potentially opening these incredible doors like the ones that get opened here when we get together and just talk about these things.

41:03TonySo that's the biggest point. That's why I think we're also good friends is at the end of the day it's about inspiring the youth and so there's going to be kids like when we were in Jamaica you could see the you could see the We've got a lot of people that are going to be passionate about what they're doing. They're going to have a passion in a 15 or a 12-year-old kid.

41:25TonyYou could say what you said to them, and they're going to take that as face value. What they're going to do, the young guys are going to do, they're going to go to school, and they're going to start studying it. They're going to start being obsessed with it. What's going to happen, these 12-year-olds and these 10-year-olds are getting educated. They're going to be scientists and compound pharmacists and cultivators and different things.

41:46TonyAnd just like how we were inspired once by the elders that we look up to, that is what we're here for, to inspire the next generation. Because someone's going to take something and they're going to get obsessed with what you just said. And they're going to fine tune that. And it might be five years from now. But it's going to pop back up and you'll be like, okay, some young kid out of college has been studying this for four years straight and he's got the answers.

42:13TonyOr it leads him to something else. It can lead to another type of discovery where it might lead to different receptors and different responding things that have medicinal purposes.

42:22BubblemanI think pretty much everything you said is accurate and will occur in the next like five to ten years. Without a shadow of a doubt, those are the seeds of consciousness that get sown, and it's what everyone's here at Hash Church for, because everyone watching Hash Church, I know a lot of you are doing the same thing. We're not up on any pedestal here. We're all equals, and that's why we're just sharing the information, because people are really jonesing this information.

42:47BubblemanIf you look in the church right now and you just read, people are like, you've definitely inspired me. I'm studying biochemistry, and I'm going into cannabis chemistry research. You guys never see me, but you will know my kid. What? Marcus. Oh, may never see me. Okay, but his kid's coming up. All right. And people are just talking about how inspirational Hash Church is for them. So I want to thank everyone that comes to Hash Church to A, share their knowledge, and B, just be in the chat and talk.

43:15BubblemanWhile we're talking about this, they're listening, but they're also having their own incredible conversation that's going on in the YouTube chat.

43:24TonyMm-hmm.

43:25BubblemanSo it's pretty darn cool. I'm digging this back.

43:28TonyI don't think you've inspired quite a few people on this planet, Bobo, man.

43:32BubblemanI think we all have. That's really the beauty of inspiration. I always use the metaphor of, you know, there's three types. I always put it into the trinity. And it's the spark, which, you know, the flame, and then you've got your kindling. And then you've got your like large pieces of wood. And like everyone thinks they want to be the spark, but I try to tell people that you can't have a raging fire without all three of those things.

43:58BubblemanSo you can be the spark if you want. It's a bunch of people got to be the logs and a bunch of people got, you know, fewer people have to be the kindling. And it seems how the information is disseminated. It's like these little sparks happen. And people go to the Cannabis Cup and other events to see these little sparks and they catch fire. Those are the kindling, the people that make the point on dropping 1,500 and another 1,500 to go spend the 10 days in Amsterdam.

44:22BubblemanThey drop a lot of money and they come back maybe not with as much as they think, but the information they come back with Like you say, it sits with them. And that's one of the things, you know, you really have to give it up to High Times. We slag them all the time, but my goodness, High Times, 27 years of Cannabis Cups. We criticize you all the time on bad things that happen, but I fucking give it up to High Times for putting that fucking event on 27 years in a row.

44:48BubblemanIt was crucial to so many things happening worldwide with the cannabis movement. I can't even tell you how much shit the High Times Cannabis Cup is responsible for. It's responsible. For Canadian hemp in Manitoba. We met our hemp contact at the Cannabis Cup in 1994 and 95, bought the hemp seeds from the Ukraine and got our license in Manitoba to grow hemp. We would have never been able to do that without him.

45:15BubblemanAnd the funny story is, is he went to the Cannabis Cup thinking it would be a really big kind of hemp event and all he saw were people smoking big joints and He was not that kind of guy at all. He was an expat American living in Kiev, Ukraine, who had contact with the Institute of Bass Fibers there, Goroborodko and Sasha, the main farmer, and these guys were growing hemp for like the last hundred plus years.

45:40BubblemanSo they were experts at hemp farming, and the DEA had come and told them years ago, if you don't get rid of THC, you're going to have to get rid of this plant. They didn't really know what else to do, so Goro Brodko created a litmus test that was able to go out into the field and test plants on the spot, and ones that tested purple color, I believe THC showed up on the litmus paper, he would pull them, and he got the Zolotinotia down to 0.03 THC.

46:11BubblemanAnd it's the one that we were able to sell our government on because all that the government really cares about is THC. That's the big bad wolf in the room. That's the alien that they've made, you know, he's the black sheep, if you will, that THC, they've tried to put a bad name on THC, so Goroborodko and the Ukrainians got rid of it and that's how the first hemp farming started in Canada in 1994 and 95, thanks to the Cannabis Cup.

46:41TonyYeah, I would say that from our powder, even coins, the turt melt, all that kind of stuff, you said that people show up every time, and that's kind of what I look at them for. It's basically, okay, you've been in the lab, you create some science that's fun, and then you've got medicinal purposes, and then there's also creative... Creative inspirations that come out of it. Every time I go, I see the bar's raised.

47:17TonyThis last time we all went, everybody's raising the bar. And I think now that's what High Times is being used for. It's like, At the end of the day, yeah, you see the first, second, and third, but you don't see the top 10 or the top 15. And the top 10 and top 15, I'd say the top 10 is so close. Oh, my God, dude. I don't even, like, even for myself, I'm shocked when I wouldn't even do anything anymore because it's just like, man, it's just everybody's game has, in the last two years, stepped up so much.

47:47TonyAnd I think what's happening is... In the last three or four years, things like Hash Church, but things like what information you've put out and other people have put out, like you said, you have to be accountable for your mistakes and the things that work and the things that don't work, and you can't really have an ego. So in the world of tweaking extractions, there's three or four methods that people are trying to use, and ultimately there will be one that's accepted and people that feel comfortable and good about that.

48:16TonyUm, and that's one little, one little glip that's happening right now. You know? And so, um, and then we, and then as a community you're seeing people, uh, Push the trends because if people don't like synthetic terpenes or terpenes derived from fruits that are then reapplied back to cannabis, that's really what kind of I pushed out of coming from making the terpenes for the prana but really bringing them back into infusing it back into extract products.

48:48BubblemanBut pure plant ones, not plant ones.

48:51TonyYeah, like as an example, I don't want to, we've never sold in five years at River Rock a CO2 cartridge or a cartridge for pens. Like everyone cuts their oil. And so they're trying to make a lot of money. They're turning an old product into a very clean oil, whether it's clear or whatever oil it would be for the O-pens. If it's I haven't found a pen that's uncut, unless it's CO2.

49:19TonyNow, when you have CO2, generally you're taking dry, dead, aged plant material, and then you're running it, and you're doing a great job at capturing the THC, but everybody that I've seen that works with that, when we're talking about a very viscous oil that's pure to be smoked in a vape pen, when you finally get it down and done right and there's nothing left, It still doesn't have any real taste.

49:45TonyIt doesn't taste like the strain to me. It's clean. It's great to smoke. It's great to vaporize. That's also what inspired that. In 2015, I'm going to be reapplying those terpenes back to a super critical CO2 cartridge, so that way you've got the flavors from the original source of the plant back into the cleaned out end source. That way, it's all about pure plant medicine and pure plant delivery.

50:13TonyAnd I think that's what the wave, in my opinion, will be in the future. It's just our industry and the way we all are, it's like trying to take someone that's organic, vegan, into health and into medicinal foods and things like this and then saying, okay, here's a synthetic version of what you're doing. It's just not going to be accepted. You know, and people think it will be, but I just think in our world and our culture, it's something that isn't something that our patients and people are going to gravitate to.

50:47TonyIt's like, you know, you want the healthiest solution for you. So if you're going to smoke like we do, you're going to smoke a gram a day, you have to think about your health, you know. And so you have to think about your lungs, you have to think about your mouth, you've got to think about what you're eating. Just all kinds of long-term effects that we don't know.

51:08TonySo that's the other thing you're going to see is once we start doing human clinical trials and you start seeing, okay, the effectiveness of medicine, then you're going to see, in my opinion, once they reschedule things, there's going to be a heavy, heavy types of, you'll see lawsuits for people that are doing things improperly. You'll see all kinds of stuff that will happen that will then push, FDA and different types of testing like they did for cigarettes.

51:37TonySo they've explored cigarettes and they tell you there's 150 addictive chemicals in a cigarette, right? And then they mandate you to have commercials to not smoke cigarettes. And they tell you all the things bad about cigarettes and what it could do to you short term, long term, all of the addictive properties that are in it, and yet we still sell it. In the open market. Now, that's where they're going to go with this.

52:02TonyThey're going to then explore cannabis and all of the byproducts and all those products. They're going to make all these testings and try to find out because it really comes, that's their actual job. That's actually what the federal government and our state's supposed to do is public safety. They're just supposed to allow us to get to that stage so we can say it. Now, what they're scared about is what the rest of the world's going to find out is that There's not side effects.

52:28TonyThere's not like when you're utilizing cannabis as a medicinal purpose, the side effect is a healthy side effect. It's not something, it becomes a medicinal food or it becomes a bio-nutrient. It becomes something that balances your body. It keeps you in homeostasis. There's different types of things that they're going to find and then they're going to just kind of do the oh shit. You know, they're going to back up and go, oh, wow, this thing, I can't believe we did push this and discover this 40 years ago.

52:58TonyAnd they've just been hiding it because big corporations, big companies, big pharma, they lobby for their stuff. And it started with hemp ropes, and it started with introduction of petrochemicals and nylon ropes, and we started to get away from just hemp. And we pushed hemp out of the world. Finally, I'm seeing in whole foods, hemp tofu. You look at hemp tofu, and you look at soy tofu, and you're like, okay, let's look at soy.

53:30TonyLet's look at the fact that 96% of all soy is GMO'd, and that soy has estrogen levels, and it's the last thing that men or women should eat if they have cancer, any types of modified fruits and vegetables. It's all about what we're putting into our body. And I think cannabis, just like it's used in soil restoration, you know, when you have hazardous soils and you plant hemp and you plant cannabis in those soils, it cleans the soil.

54:01TonyIt's the same thing for our body. And so there's this stigma of the THC that is the boogeyman for everybody, and they just can't get over it. And it really comes down to the inactive and the active versions of those chemical compounds and utilizing them in specific dosages so that not only is it controlled in safety, but it's actually giving you beneficials, which is, you know, they're not used to that.

54:29TonyThey're used to medicine that gives you side effects. Okay, let's look at Ambien. Well, it puts you to sleep. I get sleep every night. Okay, well, let's look at those side effects. Side effects are death, you know, memory loss, like it started like bleeding, like there's all kinds of crazy shit that comes from that. And literally, you know, cannabis fills that void. So there's no, I was at our Christmas party, I had at least, yeah, I had at least There were four different types of people that weren't even patients per se that were significant others of people that worked in the company that had insomnia.

55:08TonyNow they use our P4 in five milligram dosages. These are people that for their entire life could never get eight hours of sleep. And all of a sudden, they switch from Ambien to five milligrams of CBD and CBN, no side effects, sleeping eight hours, and that starts to rebuild the body. Because every time we put a chemical into our body, we're then blocking something else from functioning properly.

55:33TonyAnd those long-term effects is just clouding our sensory system, clouding our immune system, and ultimately producing cancers, tumors, diseases, chronic conditions. IBS, Fibromyalgia. The doctors and the pharmacists are chasing Fibromyalgia. They think patients making it up in their head. What these things are is these are autoimmune disorders that are coming up because of the shit that we're putting into our body. And so we're not exploring those long-term effects.

56:07TonyAnd so I think what you're going to see in the future of cannabis is the government's going to jump on and they're going to say, okay, we're going to let you test this because we already know that THC is a safety profile of 1 in 40,000, Tylenol is 1 in 100, and opiates are 1 in 10. So how bad could it be? Now they're going to explore it, and I think you're going to see all kinds of Especially when they reschedule it.

56:28TonyAll kinds of universities with federal grants studying all kinds of short and long term beneficials and toxicities of the plant. And it's going to get really interesting because they're going to find that it's the missing link to human evolution in my opinion. They or we? We already know. We already know. They're just catching up. When I say they, I'm saying like the consensus of where, say, national institutes are or where the federal institute or where the DEA judges something.

57:09TonyThere's bodies of government in the way of that education getting out. And then you're going to see them return. They're going to come around. And they're going to say, okay, okay, we see the economical value. We see some medical benefits and value. Now let's explore it all the way. And I think it's going to turn around. It's going to take about two to five years. But I think it's eventually going to turn around.

57:36TonyThey're already starting. You've got Obama already coming out with Washington, D.C. Every state's trying to legalize. I mean, we're at 28 states. It's not just a trend. It's them coming back and rectifying what they did many, many years ago to this plant.

57:56BubblemanYeah, and all the people. My goodness, they've really wronged a lot of people. I've got to think that one of the major things in all of this, before any of it should go down, is that a lot of people should be let out of jail. Are we not addressing this situation? Like the activism still really, if people want to be cannabis activists in this day and age, I think really now that we understand that medical is here to stay, we need to get people out of jail.

58:25BubblemanCannabis crimes, that just seems so wrong.

58:29JohnnyWell, we need to get some of our greatest minds out of jail.

58:33BubblemanI dropped something. That's what I'm saying.

58:36JohnnyYeah, I mean, the answers to a lot of these questions could have been swept up in the paperwork that got kicked to the floor during a raid. I mean, we've lost so much knowledge, anecdotal knowledge, and really creative minds to jail. So, I mean, with that eliminated, think how many people who have been afraid to explore or delve into the science for fear of repercussions could actually enter the conversation and move us forward a lot faster.

59:10BubblemanYes, everyone feels they need this but can't access it. And I tell you, if you can access cannabis, you can access phytocannabinoids. You don't need to have a fancy pill or you don't need to have, you can literally eat raw buds. If you have no ability whatsoever to even produce any type of extract, then just eat some raw buds. It's still going to help. I was talking recently about using the reclaim from my sublimator bong.

59:36BubblemanTo put on my neck and remove a mole. And quite a few people have hit me up with moles they want to remove. I wouldn't call the sublimator the same reclaim from a bong because it really does produce a unique blend of almost what I would call hot air extracted, cold air condensed, probably high CBD, CBN. It's red, probably a CBN, I'm not sure. I don't pretend to know.

1:00:03BubblemanI never tested it. I just know in five days, two drops of it on a mole on my neck basically made the mole shrink up to like a raisin and fall off my neck without any mark whatsoever, which was pretty cool, I have to say.

1:00:17TonyThat's CBN all day. It's an amber red. When I first looked at the sublimator, I was blown away because it's a...

1:00:27BubblemanIt's the CBD, the CBN-minator?

1:00:31TonyYeah, I was blown away. I was like, oh my God, that's exactly CBN. And then when you smoke it, you know, you've got this ocular feeling, this couch lock feeling, and you just, you can feel it, you know. It's pretty cool. It's actually a pretty cool device, and it's really clean. And I know they're working on a couple different ones. I'm trying to get my hands on one.

1:00:50TonyThey were working on a new one that I was waiting for.

1:00:55BubblemanI have one in my drawer here. It's a little bit... I'm worried sometimes to use it because it's slightly dangerous, but I don't have the cage, so now he's made it even safer with the cage because I'll tell you, you drop that wand one time and it is a seriously hot piece of metal.

1:01:11TonyYeah, the...

1:01:14BubblemanHe always said the oil was the product though, not the sublimator. He was like, that's the product right there.

1:01:20TonyThat's interesting.

1:01:21JohnnyWell, he's working on it. I met him at the company. He's like, yeah, we're working on a larger unit that is for producing that oil. And I'm like, well, that's a different alternative to a CO2 machine that would produce a medicinal resin. I'm like, yeah, go for it, dude. Go for it with all your heart. I mean, I just hope you get to the end of the other side.

1:01:43JohnnyOnce you build a machine to extract, that machine's got to be on that giddy-up level so the machine isn't producing its own Side effect but biogasification for the concentration of CBN is highly valuable.

1:01:58BubblemanEven just making the oil without knowing that it's CBN, just knowing that you could make that oil, which really the first time I think people saw that oil was probably from the Vrip Tech, which was the Steinel heat gun. Mark McCoy had this product, and it went into a glass piece that he kind of designed and patented that then attached to a downstem. And it was a great little unit, that Vriptek.

1:02:23BubblemanThat's a more advanced Vriptek bowl, not Mark's style. He had to patent it so he would be allowed to do it because another guy had a patent and was trying to keep him from doing the direct right onto the bowl thing. So that's why Mark designed his the way he did. You can check them out at vriptech.com, Vriptek. And yeah, that's the first time I saw condensed oil.

1:02:47BubblemanAnd here's an interesting fact. The condensed oil I would see on the glass was also red, I suspect CBN, but when I met the guy from Volatizer, David Wheeler, a year or so later, he had this small little wand that fits on a quartz crystal bowl. This was the first time I smoked a quartz crystal bowl. It was probably 1999 or 2000. And it was the oil that condensed in this fucking bowl Was gold to clear.

1:03:21BubblemanIt was almost clear. So do you think that that's because the quartz doesn't get hot all the way through like the glass? The glass, if you heat it up at the top, it gets hot almost all the way through, keeping it hot, producing that CBN. But with the quartz, even on a quartz bowl like this, I can lift this up if I can get this guy off.

1:03:43BubblemanAnd I can grab my quartz bowl without burning my fingers. I couldn't do that if this was glass. The way quartz dissipates heat is it's very, very hot right here, but by the time you get down to here, it's almost cold. So that's something that Enrico might want to look at if he's producing a product like that. And I've been thinking about this for 15 plus years, hot air extraction, cold water recondensing using a condenser.

1:04:11BubblemanBut basically, the quartz, I like the idea of a giant quartz one that you can get this clear oil out of and then do a profile on that. It was also heat, but I'll tell you, it was tasty stuff.

1:04:25TonyYou got my mind going again. Every time you say something, I'll come back with something. Give me about a month.

1:04:31BubblemanDude, I'm excited. That's why I say shit like this. There's no need for it to sit in my head. And I'll tell you, dude, 15 years ago I sat around and dreamed of building this big quartz container with hot air guns coming at all the angles and condensing down through it. I'm telling you, this was literally a thought I had 15 years ago.

1:04:51TonyYeah, well, it's also the same thing with the Terps. We were talking about it one day and I came back and I finally showed you Not to give anything away on our hash church, but I finally did show you the contraption, because I couldn't even really explain it anyway. It's unexplainable. I was like, okay, this is what it looks like, this is how I'm doing it. You're like, oh, okay, it is science.

1:05:14TonyAnd I was like, yeah, you know, you have to have a reverse vacuum and this and that. But no, I wanted to show you the picture of the MacGyver type of units that I was trying to build, but... I'm going to build an all-incorporated unit. That was a pretty MacGyvered out unit. What are you talking about? It looked like Tim the Tool Man. I told you.

1:05:35BubblemanNo, it looked like a fucking, what do they call those fucking Goldman's Cube?

1:05:42TonyYeah. No, it looked like a, there's actually a machine called the Prana Machine. That's a supposed, it's a mythical machine that's supposed to be taking water from the atmosphere and turning it into a dust in which you can eat and survive on like a nutrient.

1:05:59BubblemanThat's trippy.

1:06:00TonyYeah, it's an old school like type of machine. So I don't know, I have these like weird things in my head but like I just kind of like apply the things that I know and try to do it in a scientific way and ultimately I think I'm There's just a lot of little things to explore. It's just like you've got to think outside the box, you know?

1:06:21BubblemanWell, I think the real advantage, I'll tell you, I mean, Hash Church is amazing, but the real advantage, which, you know, our mentors, the Skunk Man and guys like Rob, what they had available to them was that they had everything set up to do their own, like, in-house, like, just everything, you know, like, you have that more than anyone, like lab and Greenhouse and breeding. You need to have all that and be surrounded by that to really make the steps that are going to give you the mistake that you require to make to have the discovery.

1:06:56Tony100%. I mean, there's always going to be nine mistakes to the one thing that pops. And then you'll be like, oh, like the anthocyan. Like, I did that one time. You know what I mean? I did it one time and I was like, oh, okay. Now I know how I could do that, but I don't have time to explore that just yet. But it's something that we combined with our prana.

1:07:25TonyWhen I went to Europe, I took a P2, a 10 milligram. It's something that would last maybe four hours for my knee and back and inflammation and pain and overall whatever. You know, I was like eight hours, ten hours into my flight, and I still didn't have anything, and I used the anthocyanin inside the plant fat. So I know that there's even more medicinal boundaries to push, and that came from a complete mistake.

1:07:54TonyIt was just like, you know, okay, this is, oh, I see how I could get this, and so now I want to like explore, The, uh, and build this, this final closed, uh, loop type of system and then sell it as a unit, you know, eventually. Um, so that's when you said, hey, I want to play. I was like, well, here's what the picture looks like today.

1:08:16TonyIt's kind of hard to play. It's all weird stuff going on. It just looks like a weird science experiment going on, you know? Yes, it does. And that's how it starts, but, um. I think, like you said, you know, having all those tools and seeing how closed-loop systems work, seeing how pressure can change temperature, and there was a little video I saw a while ago, and it was something we did in science class that always just kind of fascinated me in engineering school and stuff, but I just love things like this, and you can see, you can probably Google it on YouTube right now, and I bet you the video is still up.

1:08:55TonyBut if you YouTube or Google changing the water phases, utilizing simply pressure, you take water in a sphere and under pressure, you can change boiling, gas, ice, all instantaneously, just with different pressures. And it's really cool to see how water reacts to that. And then when you think of water, and you think of the fact that water can create different things, and based on a vibration, or a frequency, or a pH, or pressure, it's like water is abundant on our planet.

1:09:43TonyIt's everywhere. Starting with water and water extractions is the beginning, but I think that ultimately at the end of the day, if we look at water as a solvent, that's going to be what we call a clean solvent, like how there's clean, quote unquote, clean energy. That's the clean solvent. That's what God put on this planet for us to use. I mean, it's that and air. So, you know, you can change polarity of things.

1:10:14TonyYou can change the polarity of water. There's ways to do that. You just got to explore it.

1:10:21MikeYeah, and you can actually change the polarity of carbon dioxide with different pressures as well. You know, seeing that, we can actually manipulate the different extractions, you know, both in water as well as in carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide likes to be fairly non-polar, but under a high enough pressure, it'll become polar. The same with water. It naturally likes polar, but... When you throw enough pressure at it, it'll actually become less polar.

1:10:53TonyScience. I like this guy, Mike. I haven't met you yet before. Yeah, I've only met you once or twice briefly, so.

1:11:01BubblemanYeah, I can honestly say that you guys should definitely meet in person. I'd like to be there when it happens.

1:11:10TonyDefinitely. And back to your other point about...

1:11:16TonyImprisoning people for cannabis, it's ridiculous. I can understand the government going after people that are moving 10,000 pounds, massive, massive, 10,000 pounds and up, massive movements of cannabis illegally, but to put people in prison for seeds or under a pound of A couple pounds, it's like, get over it. It's a fucking plant. It's like putting people in... It's costing the United States so much money.

1:11:55BubblemanIt's entrapment, too. I mean, even if you are selling it, of course you're selling it. They've made it this amazing product that can save lives. They've made it legal. Inevitably, people are like, whoa, it's got this profit margin that they're kind of attracted to. It's like, how can you entrap people like that? It's like, Why don't they just make essential amino acids illegal and then when we start trying to buy and sell them from one another that we can all go through 10 years in jail for that too.

1:12:23TonyYeah, I mean, it's like if you look at it, it's really this simple. Every prisoner that we put behind bars costs us say $55,000 to $70,000 a year.

1:12:38TonyNow, take the average, if you look at the United States and you take the, when you look at the grid of the reality of where the wealth is spread in our country, and you've heard that expression of the one percenter, well, it's really the one percent of the one percent that has that wealth. There's a little video that's out there online that kind of shows you if you Google The reality distribution of wealth in the United States, it'll lay out a grid of where we think we are, where we think the ideal should be, and where the reality is.

1:13:17TonyAnd when you look at the reality of the, you know, 80 to 90% of the country, it's still, it's 80% of the country still at medium to lower income. And so when you look at that and you say, okay, the average person's not making on a year, 35 to 45,000 a year, and it costs us 55 to 75,000 a year to put someone in prison, okay? Then you look at the burden in which the government absorbs.

1:13:47TonySo we put laws out there that imprison millions of people. Well, we have to pay for that. So instead of giving them an opportunity to actually just go earn their own keep and not be a burden to our society in the sense of, if I imprison you for having a couple ounces of marijuana, Your life's over. You can't go back to your normal job. People scowl at you.

1:14:11TonyThey don't give you your position. But if you were an engineer making $45,000 a year and you smoked your cannabis and you have a couple ounces or say a pound on you, God forbid, you've grown your own cannabis, you've got some on you at your home, whatever the situation is, now you go to prison for years. So the fact that You're taking the opportunity back out of that person to be a positive gain in society and the economical impact and making it a negative.

1:14:41TonySo now every time you do that, you put an economical negative in the red on our economy.

1:14:52MikeWe've actually created a modern day slavery with that because if you look at, you know, not only is there a tremendous cost to the public at large, we actually have American corporations that are going into these prisons to hire and force these prisoners to work for one or two dollars a day just so they can put a little bit of money on their books.

1:15:18SpeakerMy brother makes 35 cents an hour preparing meals for Wisconsin inmate prisoners. 35 cents an hour.

1:15:26TonyYeah, how is that not slavery? I agree 100%. So I think the next movement, especially the next two years, and our government and our You know, Obama and them, they've kind of woken up to that, and you're seeing them, I think you're going to see more political people try to play that card, but ultimately it needs to be pushed to the nth degree. We need to get the prisons completely cleaned up, free people, you know, get them out of there.

1:15:57SpeakerIt's just... And how are those people getting out with 35 cents an hour in savings? You have to keep that hourly rate. And everything else and they don't even get, they get out to nothing pretty much. They get a little bit of cash. They don't even get a good start or anything like that. So how are these guys getting out of jail and being productive right off the bat?

1:16:17SpeakerIt's almost impossible for them to be.

1:16:19TonyThey have to have, I think a good policy would be to change the minimum wage of a prisoner. And that's, you know, you got to start like with those little micro systems like what he just said. Yes. You've got to say, okay, the minimum wage for a prisoner only can be reduced by, say, 20% whatever minimum wage is in the working world, or something like that.

1:16:45SpeakerYeah, because they're being housed and stuff, so that 20% goes to their housing, goes to their meals and food and stuff, so it's okay to take that 20% away from minimum wage if they're being a crime in the gym and fine.

1:16:58TonyOr even if it's 50, but it has to start with minimum wage, and it has to start there. The prisoner has to be able to earn what, I mean that's, 35 cents is a joke. That's ridiculous.

1:17:09SpeakerYou might as well walk in the cell and punch a guy in the face and walk out.

1:17:13TonyYou don't even have those rates in China.

1:17:15SpeakerThe only reason he does it is just it frees his mind and it gets him out of the same monotony every day. He's able to go for a couple hours and the meals are different, he says, every day, so it gives him something different to do. Yeah. I've done about five years in jail myself. I know the system well. I've been a unit rep and fucking on the inmate committee and trying to fight for more money for meals.

1:17:37SpeakerWe're allowed, like, Thank you for watching.

1:17:56SpeakerThe meat is not even for public resale. It can't even be sold to the public. It says right on the packages of meat, do not sell to the public. And this is the meat and stuff that the prisons are feeding people. I know all about the system in and out, trust me. And I'm not a product. I am a product of the system in one way or another from before, but not these days.

1:18:18SpeakerAnd I've been out of jail for a long time, but I've gone to jail for stupid shit and everything, dumb decisions, whatever. But You're in there making next to nothing. We're building these benches, these picnic tables that can, if one guy sat on the one side of them, 400 pounds, it wouldn't tip over. And these picnic tables are being sold out to the public and everything else and greenhouses and all kinds of stuff that aren't being recognized.

1:18:42SpeakerThere's so much talent inside of artistic work, the paintings, the carvings, so much, man. It's just incredible. And they don't get out to do anything but back to their craft of, Thank you for watching. See you next time.

1:19:14SpeakerThanks, guys.

1:19:37MikeWell, just give it, just even, I mean, there's been a lot of cases where, you know, being able to have prisoners either have access to free education, you know, actually, or any sort of education at all, you know, people can actually proactively empower themselves and prepare themselves so when they get out. Now, paying somebody 35 cents an hour, I had a buddy of mine who was locked up in Florida.

1:20:06MikeHe said he got $2 a day for making Nike clothes. And that's not going to empower him when he gets out. What's going to empower him is by forcing them to learn stuff, giving them books and the tools they need to actually develop skill sets. We probably don't want to be teaching them woodworking with knives, but maybe computer programming.

1:20:31SpeakerThey do have programs in there in the federal system for that for people here. And I know one of my buddies just called me last night from there. He's starting himself up in a welding program and stuff. Another buddy of mine, he's getting sentenced on January 9th for five to seven years for his involvement in a conspiracy beef. But he's got it all planned out already. Like he's going in.

1:20:53SpeakerA normal citizen and stuff like that with not being rescued. And he's looking at, okay, this is what I'm going to do in there. I'm going to get my welding ticket. I'm going to get my carpentry ticket. He's just going to do productive time. And when he gets out, he's going to be able to be productive, literally. He's looking forward to it, actually. And it's just, you know, I shake my head at the guy.

1:21:16SpeakerThat's his lifestyle. That's the way it went. You know, he makes decisions. He ends up having to do this time, and he's just looking at it like, all right then, fuck it, I'm going to go in and come out better. That's just the way it's going to happen for me. And that's a good positive outlook, man. I'm impressed. I'm proud of him.

1:21:32MikeYeah, we just need to have inmate gardens now.

1:21:35SpeakerThey do have inmate gardens, actually, in the federal system as well that you're allowed to plot. To grow your own vegetables and stuff. The Asians do it. All the little ethnic groups do it. The federal system is a better system to be in, in the way of getting stuff to get out to better your life with. The provincial system, you sit and you wait. I sat on remand for eight months and did nothing.

1:21:59SpeakerAbsolutely nothing. We left the unit one hour a day for the gym. I come out 265 pounds, a monster. But who gives a shit about that, really? What's that going to do me? Sure, I can go on a bunch of crack shots and take and say, give me some fucking money because I want it because I don't have none. But then what do you do?

1:22:18BubblemanOr a director could be looking for a big scary motherfucker for his new Mark Wahlberg film and some carpenter could be like, I got a big fucking scary buddy that fucking might be able to be in your movie and you could go down there and fucking audition and end up in a fucking movie.

1:22:32SpeakerThat's exactly what happened, bro. You're damn right. Damn right. You bet.

1:22:37BubblemanYeah, D420K was in the movie Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, and he got to chill out with him and his Rastafarian friend Phil there for multiple days of shooting, and I think D ended up getting his head blown off in that movie.

1:22:52SpeakerYeah, Mark shot in the back of the head four times, actually. It was awesome.

1:22:58BubblemanDamn.

1:22:59SpeakerIt was quite the trip that was, man. Like, that's taken a positive out of the situation. You know what, Mark? I totally forgot about that shit until you pointed that out. But that is definitely a positive that come out with it, for sure.

1:23:13BubblemanYeah, dude, I was there for all of that. I was there when you fucking got that part and were filming it and...

1:23:19SpeakerYeah, you're damn right. I just got out of the fucking city bucket for being fucking... Remember they took me down for a stolen car on my addition? And I wasn't... They held me for 40 hours in city bucket down Vancouver. I'm in there with a dude from Trinidad that's up for attempted murder, this little black guy that was just fucking haywire and really cool to talk to.

1:23:43Speaker40 hours of sitting on a rebound, they let me go. As soon as I turned my phone on, they phoned me and said, hey, where the hell have you been? You got the part. I'm like, holy shit, okay, I'm coming. I was like, oh, hey. What a strange trip, man.

1:24:01TonyMy buddy just walked in here, and the last time I hung out with him, I wanted to share this story with you. We were talking about the prison risk, And so in Denver, when I started, it was just as a caregiver in 2009 with three lights, six plants, and it was called River Rock Professional Caregiver Service. And basically, my family and friends thought it was pretty crazy.

1:24:28TonyLike, oh, you're going to go to jail, blah, blah, blah. And so you've got this constant risk going on. And as the years progressed and laws kind of changed, Then your friends, they start to visit you because they're not scared of you anymore because they're afraid if they hang out with you they're going to somehow be tracked and trailed and thrown into jail. So you've got this whole thing going on in your head.

1:24:48TonyBut there was a very specific time in Denver, in Colorado, that I remember when I felt safe. And it was a weird moment. And this guy, Shane, why don't you say hi? What up? What's going on, buddy? He's from New Orleans. I was in New Orleans. And he came and visited me here. And we were driving around in my car, and he was like, hey, what do you want to do tonight?

1:25:11TonyAnd I was like, I don't know, man. Let's go get a slice of pizza. And we were completely sober. We were a little bit stoned. And we got a slice of pizza. We weren't doing anything. We weren't going to any clubs. We weren't doing anything crazy. We just went for a slice of pizza Friday or Saturday night. You remember this? Yeah, you're starting to remember now. For him, it's not as significant.

1:25:31TonyFor the rest of us, it's a really significant thing. So we're driving around, and I, like, I pull out after we got some pizza, and I take a right, and there was a cop, and I saw there was a cop that pulled like this with an SUV with, like, four dudes decked out inside. And I stopped, and I was coming down a driveway out of a commercial parking lot that I paid for, that I paid to be in that lot.

1:25:52TonyAnd I came out, and I went, and they were coming, and they looked like they were in a hurry, so I stopped. Right? I just stopped, and I was like, okay, go ahead. And then he was like, no, you go ahead of me. So I went ahead of him, and there was no one in front of me. It was a stop sign, and I took a right.

1:26:06TonyAnd then as I was coming up to a light, it changed, and it was green. I put my blinker on, and I start to go left. Well, he pulls me over. And I'm like, man, what the fuck is this guy's problem? So he pulls me over, and he gets my license and everything, and he doesn't come back for a while. He won't answer why he pulled me over.

1:26:25TonyWe weren't speeding. We didn't do anything. So he goes, okay, sir, you need to step out of the car. We've got a warrant for your car. I'm like, what? And he goes, yeah, we have a warrant for your car. I was like, you don't have a warrant for me? And he goes, no, we have a warrant for your car. Now, at this time, I had two suitcases in the back of my little mini, and in one case was a black case that had flip-ups, and I had exactly 54 grams of hash.

1:26:56TonyAnd at that time, that hash was pure powder forms of THC that were white and off yellows. And then there was all kinds of just full melt. So there was a 50-50 split between this case. And the other case had this Nate Myers, this Nate Myers Berserker Sherlock. So I don't normally show off glass to you because you always have crazy glass. Well, this is a Berserker, Nate Myers, Stephen Hawkins custom Sherlock, right?

1:27:31TonySo this is a pretty expensive Sherlock that I got done directly from them through my buddy Marcuccio at Illusion. So I got a really good deal on it, but it's probably worth $1,000. You know, it's a good chunky piece. So this cop says, get out of the car. Your car is under arrest, basically. My car is under arrest. So there was a fraudulent, quote unquote, at this time I didn't know, my car had to be gone for 45 days.

1:27:58TonyI figured they were bugging it, tapping it, doing whatever they had to do, because it was a fraudulent hit and run case on my car. So now it's starting to snow, and I asked this officer, really nice, remember when I said, hey officer, do you mind, because I saw, oh, we were on the street, we saw a tow truck pull up. So I'm like, okay, these guys are going to tow my fucking car away.

1:28:22TonyAnd so my car's under arrest, and I go, I go, do you mind, and this is a really big dude, I go, excuse me, officer, do you mind if I get a few things out of the back of my trunk? I was like, because if you're towing my car away, I've got some personal belongings that I need to get to. He goes, he goes, Back down, son.

1:28:43TonyYou talk to me like that, I'm going to put you in jail. And he goes, and I was like, so I was like immediately like, okay, they're just looking for any fucking excuse to arrest me. So now I'm starting to shake a little bit because... There's hash in that trunk, you know, and this guy's going to go back there. And the other guys were already going through my car, stripping the whole car.

1:29:04TonyThey were going through everything. I was trying to be proactive and to say, hey, listen, we need to address something real fast here because I thought the shit was going down. And so then the guy grabs my, he goes, you're talking about that glass pipe in the back seat? And I go, yeah. And he goes, he goes, not a chance. He goes, it goes with the car.

1:29:29TonySo I was like, okay. And then he goes, and he goes, and as for this, he goes in the back seat and grabs the hatch. Okay, now he's holding the briefcase. He goes over to his superior officer and, uh, And he goes, he goes, what do you want to do with this? And he lays down the briefcase. The superior officer opens it up. It's like the Pulp Fiction, bro.

1:29:51TonyThere's two cops looking at this case. It could have been anything, man. To a cop, this is powders and shit. This could have been ecstasy. This could have been coke. This could have been like anything. Looks it up, and the superior officer goes, it's his medicine, bro. Give it back to him. I kid you not. The big officer comes back, hands me my hash, hands me my license, and goes, you're good to go.

1:30:18TonyAnd I go, I look at Shane and I go, I'm good to go. He goes, you're good to go, just go. I go, you just want me to walk away? He goes, just walk away. So I look at Shane and he goes, and I started to smile, and the officer was like, why are you smiling type of thing, you know? So I just walk away with Shane and it starts to snow, and at that moment, In my life, it was about a year and a half ago, right?

1:30:44TonyMaybe? Two years ago. Two years ago. In that moment, I realized, okay, prohibition has changed. At least for Denver, Colorado, to where he hands me back a case of hash. Four fucking grams. And says, you're good to go. Because they had taken my wallet and my ID, and I did have a red card. So the guy knew I was a patient. You follow me? Yep. So in this particular case, the law prevailed 100%.

1:31:15TonyIt said, we're taking your car, you can deal with your glass and your car, but this is your medicine and we don't want to be sued for that, and gave it back to me. That's when I knew progress had been made.

1:31:26BubblemanYeah, that's unbelievable for sure. The only time I've heard of hash being given back other than that... Is when Flab 421 had his hash taken by local federal police and they took it and then he was all pissed off about it and I was like, dude, why don't you like go down there and get it back? He's like, well, how do you do that? I'm like, well, I'll just take this paper.

1:31:46BubblemanI printed him the document that was the Owen Smith case that stated that the judge had changed the word dried marijuana to just marijuana and marijuana fit a broader definition. It fit concentrates and extracts and anything from marijuana was marijuana. In the minds of that judge who amended the law just for British Columbia. So he went down there with that document and picked up his like 40 or 50 grams patch.

1:32:10BubblemanSuper nice full melt. Right from the police station, dude.

1:32:16MikeYeah, we had a case where one of the dispensaries in Boulder got robbed. And the people who stole the cannabis only got probably three or four ounces of cannabis, but they got something like $15,000 worth of hash that we had just made the week before. So they were stupid enough to hop onto the highway in the middle of traffic, got pulled over less than a mile away, and it took us a good three months to get the city to give us it back, but we ended up getting the city of Boulder to release the hash to the business owner.

1:32:51MikeThat was something, that was profoundly terrifying and awesome at the same time because I'm going to a city of Boulder police department saying, hey, I'm here to pick up my 15 grand worth of hatch.

1:33:06TonyYeah, we had a couple times even four years ago when we used to, when we used to like wholesale justice centers and I remember there was a time where Where we had probably like 10 or 20 pounds that we were transferring. I think it was 10 pounds or so we were transferring to a center. There's no manifest or transfers for that. But I was with my partner and we were driving.

1:33:36TonyWe got pulled over and the guy comes over and he goes, do you know your tags are expired? And he goes, yeah. He goes, um... You know, we're just, I haven't got around to that yet, whatever. He goes, let me see your driver's license. Didn't even, Ernie didn't even have his driver's license on him. So he's like, yeah, I don't have my driver's license either. The officer leans in, he goes, good God, boys.

1:33:58TonyThat smells unbelievable. And then he just had this like, this overwhelming smell, like coming out of the car, he's like, it smells like a lot of cannabis in here. He's like, What are you boys up to? And like I had made just like a lanyard instead of, we didn't have badges then, we just put our business card here. That's all we did. We just put our business card here.

1:34:20TonyIt said River Rock, right? So I'll never forget it. Ernie goes, well, I got this. He goes, we're from River Rock. We're just transferring this to whatever wholesale center, whatever center it was. And the guy goes, he said something like, something about again, he goes, reference to the smell of That he enjoyed and said, he said, all right boys, he said, he goes, just make sure you take care of your tech and let us go.

1:34:48TonyAnd I was like, what fucking planet am I living in? And then that's the difference from a prohibition world to a non-prohibition world. Because all of a sudden it becomes, it's okay, you're just doing your business. Because we weren't doing anything wrong. You know? And we didn't lie. We didn't look like we were lying. We weren't nervous. We showed them everything we had. We showed them the exact strains we had.

1:35:11TonyWe went through our list of stuff. And, uh... It's like that's why the industry had to evolve. Now you have manifest. Now you have ways of tracking every single gram that's getting transferred between licensed facilities. So people that kind of like balked at regulation, they have to realize that besides the word legalization or medical movement, it's just a promotion of regulated cannabis. You know, you just have to have a regulated model for cannabis because it can be a part of society socially, it can be used for industrial farming and hemp and also medicinal purposes.

1:35:49TonySo it's just a regulated industry. And everybody's so big on medical versus legalization, you know, it's really just getting it into a standardized model. And now you've got 28 states that kind of have Similar paths, but they're all different. They don't have a unified system, so you have to kind of create the wheel in every state differently. It makes it difficult now.

1:36:20BubblemanFor sure. That's no doubt. It reminds me of a story at the BC Compassion Club, which was our first Compassion Club here in Vancouver, opened up in 1996, and it was started by Hillary Black. And it was actually kind of started on my living room floor. And I just moved from Manitoba after doing the hemp growing thing and came here and hooked up with Hillary. And so I became one of their first growers.

1:36:45BubblemanAnd at one point, the reason bubble bags were even really produced was because of this story I'm about to tell. And it was in 1998, a couple of years after I moved to BC, and I had been growing for the Compassion Club, but they started growing to the point where they needed more cannabis. So in my brokering of cannabis, I was able to find great cannabis for the club back then, which was highly illegal.

1:37:11BubblemanAnd so one day a guy drove his car through the BC Compassion Club, which had existed for two years at this point and never been arrested or affected by the police. And so he drove his car right through and he broke in and he bent the safe, this huge crazy safe. He got the top like cracked open so just enough to release the smell of the near 15 pounds of Renee that was in the safe.

1:37:36BubblemanAnd it reeked, like reeked so bad. And apparently the cops showed up, but the safe wasn't even where it belonged. The guy or guys had dragged it like a substantial distance down and around a corridor and close to the door of getting out when the police arrived and they had to run away. Eventually they got caught, but it led Hillary to, the cops even actually guarded the safe that was reeking like 15 pounds of weed.

1:38:00BubblemanThis is in 1998. Thank you for watching. See you next time.

1:38:24BubblemanUm, uh, person that's, that, that had a fatality, uh, or a terminal disease, but like, also someone who had been living on the streets for maybe five to ten years, someone that had a compounded amount of disease and problems and emotional and mental illnesses, like it really was an incredible thing, the original Compassion Club and how it helped the, the sort of most down and out people, and it's what I always, you know, So it was me wanting to help the club when Hillary asked me if I could take the herb home instead of leaving it at the club because they were worried that it was going to get broken into again.

1:39:04BubblemanAnd then I was driving the herb home and went through a roadblock with 16 and a half pounds and about, I had about five or six grand cash on me. And so that was what led me to stop brokering cannabis and to start The company Bubble Bags, that was really what led me, that bust in 1998, which I was eventually charged. I got a felony possession and felony, what else, what was my other one?

1:39:34BubblemanI have two charges. I don't even really know what they are. I look at them as cannabis badges of honors, actually. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:40:10BubblemanLike the positivity of really seeing the end result. And that was just from things like, you know, being nice enough to, when you're in the middle of brokering a cannabis deal, give your profits away to the club in the form of extra cannabis. And maybe at Christmas time I would go and donate a pound or two. And that meant so much to those people at that club that would just be like get their eighth or their four grams.

1:40:35BubblemanAnd it was like, I really... Created a world of incredible friendships through getting to meet and hang out with a lot of those people that are no longer with us today because they've passed on. It's heavy duty.

1:40:55SpeakerA moment of silence.

1:40:59BubblemanIt's nice that clubs are much more than that today, that they're able to help a variety of people. It's funny how it started with you could only be dying to use cannabis. How ridiculous is that?

1:41:12SpeakerThat is insane. Even so, the most rewarding patients, especially personally as a bud tender, are the ones that come to you and let you know that your product or your service has helped change their life or change their health or put them on a new path that they wouldn't have been on previously. Like I remember we had several patients, man, they just come in all excited just because they see their cancer gone or they see, you know, their health improving.

1:41:40BubblemanNo, it's amazing, dude. I'll tell you. When I first started Bubble Bags, when I first started Bubble Bags, after kind of leaving the club, and I kind of felt a little awkward about leaving the club and not being able to support them the way I had. And sort of doing this other thing and it was like the first email I ever got from someone who had bought a one gallon set of bubble bags because their father had wasting syndrome from medication that he was on.

1:42:06BubblemanAnd he was a very old elderly man like in his 80s and he was down to like 96 pounds. And so it was a life or death situation and she bought bubble bags and she went and bought illegal ounces or two or three ounces of weed and she like, you know, did the ice mixture with her hand and she ran the whole process and she literally sent me this email about how that she made her, you know, she told me the whole story of how she felt like a criminal and she had to go to the streets and buy the herb and You know, she was definitely not a connected lady in the herb world, but here she is making hash in 1999 to 2000 for her, you know, elderly father.

1:42:43BubblemanAnd he smoked a tiny little bit in his cob pipe and then literally ate, like, you know, a chocolate cake or whatever, which sounds hilarious, but not when you have wasting syndrome and you weigh 96 pounds. That's amazing. The guy had no appetite. He smoked a little bowl of bubble out of his cob pipe, the real 73. And then he's eating food. You know, back in the 90s, that was unbelievable.

1:43:12BubblemanYou know, now it's so pervasive. The information is so much more pervasive now, just less than 15, well, about 15 years later. It's incredible to see really what places like River Rock and, you know, I guess there's the one in California that's also a pretty big one, like Harbor, Harbor. Which one is it called? Yeah, it's terrible of me to forget. I have never been there, so.

1:43:43BubblemanIt's good. And all the work that, you know, Mike's doing in Washington and Horatio and Johnny B and D420K are doing in BC and Tony's rocking kind of all over the world. It's important work that you guys are doing and I'm happy to be a part of someone who's doing it. And there's Cuban Grower. He's doing important work making full melt dry sift. Something just as simple as that, to me, is important work.

1:44:10BubblemanPeople need to be exposed to it the same way, you know, you get Tony and myself just yapping to one another and I say something that's been in my head for 15 years and now he's literally, trust me, in like four hash churches.

1:44:21MikeHe's going to be like, oh, so I designed this crazy vortex hot air extractor using some concepts that you mentioned in hash church that day.

1:44:28BubblemanAnd I'll be like, what? What hash church? What were we talking about, man? So it's important to do these things to inspire the people around you and sometimes growing great weed and making great hash is really the simplest way to be an inspiration to those around you and help those around you that we all deserve the best in my opinion. I mean it's one thing for recreation to want to have the best to put in your pipe but to me it's equally that we require the best for our loved ones, family and ourselves To have these phytocannabinoids for oral ingestion of the best quality, not from messy, you know, used leaf or rerun whatever.

1:45:12BubblemanWe want the best. There we go, Tony. A little bit of finger testing. He's got the parchment paper. The powder is wrapped. You know, everyone does this, Tony. I don't know really where. You were definitely the first person to see this, but it's actually quite prevalent in this community of I guess getting dry sift powder turned into dabs. I'm still so old school. I hit powder with a big scoop, and I just kind of scoop it out and then pour it into my bowl, but I have to say I am the minority.

1:45:46BubblemanI see the majority of people making dabs.

1:45:49SpeakerBecause you can get a bigger dab when you press it out, Bubble Man. That's the secret. Dude, are you kidding?

1:45:54BubblemanLook at this. I got a question for the group.

1:45:58SpeakerLow temp versus high temp smoking.

1:46:03MikeWhat was that, Mike? So low temp versus high temp smoking of dry sieve as well as all the other phytocannabinoids. So obviously when we're dabbing, you're going to be heating the nail generally up significantly higher. So that does degrade some of the terpenoids. But it also makes, you know, the degradation oxidizes a lot of the stuff, which makes the hit a lot faster than, say, smoking it out of a bubble pipe.

1:46:35TonySo the idea of why we do this is, so what we're doing here is we're gently, gently heating the tri-beam heads, the oils, and we're creating a A shatter. Now we're oxidizing this too because you have to think about this. This isn't parchment paper. This is an oil slick paper. So this is a type of Teflon cellophane that's heat rated and food safe for a certain temperature.

1:47:10TonyYou can get this stuff in sheets. It sometimes costs you, I don't know, depends on the quality in which you're getting, $30 for four feet.

1:47:19BubblemanYeah, we sell it at Fresh Hatties. It's the oil slick stuff, right?

1:47:23TonyYeah, you could use that stuff. There's other stuff to get too. I've got some stuff that looks like this. That's how you get it really glassy. So it's just that kind of stuff. Anyway, what you're doing here is I actually lower the dab temperature. So this, I'm lowering the e-mail. I'm going down to like You know, 510, 480, I mean, really low temperatures. And so the idea is you can start really low, work your way up, but when you have something like this that is pressed out and ready to go, I think it's just a faster reaction on the nail, so not to use a hotter temperature because you're getting that return from what you're doing.

1:48:03TonyIt's just you're getting a faster release, so you need a lower temperature so you can get more of the flavor. So ideally... You're looking at something super glossy, you know, and easy to manage as well. So it just kind of comes out. Easy to manage is good.

1:48:30BubblemanYeah, when I was dabbing at Rose Place the other day with that ridiculous mothership I sent you a picture of, he was pressing out... His chemo and his Congolese and some of my sweet skunk. We were making little combo patties. I like it for that. It's a nice way to congeal and mix a variety of resins.

1:48:50TonyWell, and, I mean, what are you going to do when you want to make a turp taco or tostados or you need to start making food hash? Like, you've got to have bases and you've got to have a start. It's a good route.

1:49:05TonyYou know? So it's also a good little press test. This is actually from Turp Melt.

1:49:13BubblemanTurp Melt.

1:49:15TonyI haven't had any since I saw you.

1:49:18BubblemanIn the dam. Really? Well, geez, did we smoke hash in the dam? Like, that was fairly ridiculous.

1:49:27TonyMy friend's just looking at it like it's an alien. It is an alien. It is an alien.

1:49:34BubblemanHere, I got an alien present. Let me find one. You got your little kid?

1:49:40TonyHe's got an alien. Bubble Man's going to pull a real alien. Oh, shit. What do you think of that?

1:49:56SpeakerNice little pot.

1:50:03TonyWhat the fuck is that? What the hell is that?

1:50:11TonyThat is a place of special ed. What was that? It's a powder bubble. A pound of bubble?

1:50:21BubblemanYeah, it's a pound of bubble, but it's powdered bubble. It's all just stuck to itself.

1:50:26TonyJeez. House owner.

1:50:29BubblemanI'm going to hit some.

1:50:31SpeakerHouse owner.

1:50:40BubblemanI wish I had my Teflon hair straightener. I'd fucking press you out a wicket. Maybe I could just do a piece in my hand, though. That's easier.

1:50:50Speaker25 grams of dry sift. Here's my 25 grams of dry sift. Nice. One of the plates.

1:51:04TonyI have another good thing. When you press it out.

1:51:10SpeakerI just got this. That's all I have. Actually, it's 33 pounds. This thing is just ridiculous.

1:51:43BubblemanI'm turning this all into Pokemon. I need like a big chunk of Pokemon.

1:51:54BubblemanUse the best, not the worst. Turn it into this good stuff.

1:52:10SpeakerEasy, easy. I'm so in need of medication today.

1:52:16BubblemanBetter medicate, brother. Better medicate, brother.

1:52:18SpeakerChristmas party last night, guys. Everybody's asking why I'm being so quiet. I've been in recovery mode.

1:52:27SpeakerI smoked everybody out last night too, so.

1:52:37SpeakerSo, yeah, always pressing wash now.

1:52:40TonySo I have to share something.

1:52:49BubblemanBut I got an echo here. Coming through Johnny's mic. He just has to mute it while he's not talking and then it's good.

1:52:55TonyAll right, cool. So my friend Shane, he's like a little kid on my pant leg right now.

1:53:03SpeakerHey, man, what is this for? Hey, man, what is this for? What is this for?

1:53:07TonyAnd he's looking at all this stuff over here. And let me show you what I got. So last night, a doctor friend of mine, he travels the world in different places. And so he's talking about Nepal, right? Yeah. He gave me a gift last night. These are different types of Nepal prayer flags. Oh, I have them all, dude. Yeah, right? Okay. Now, let me tell you what keeps going.

1:53:37TonySo he took this to... You notice the colors? They're just like your bubble bags. Thank you. Yeah. So this is how such a small world just ties in. Now, he doesn't know I know you or whatever. This is just I'm sitting here, and he gives me an Ernie this, and he gives this to me, and he tells me he took this then, these then to the... This Buddhist temple is the highest Buddhist temple, most respected, and went all the way up and got them blessed.

1:54:08TonyThen he picked up seeds from Nepal for us so that we could do a little breeding project. Awesome. You're right. And so we've got seeds from Nepal with blessed prayer flags that we are going to then, we're going to grow these out. We're going to make the selections male and female, and we're going to have some interesting stock, but we're going to end up, once we pick that, we're going to end up creating these prayer flags around these specific strains.

1:54:44TonySo that way we're going to end up having this blessed strain, if you will, carried through. Nice. That's awesome.

1:54:57BubblemanYeah, my manufacturer in Nepal who's lived there for 20 some odd years now, before that he was in Tibet and his whole trip was he was a videographer. He literally hung out with all the fucking crazy monks, dude. And like literally the dude you went to the tallest place and got blessed by, I guarantee you my fucking manufacturer has footage of that guy. Because he would just go like record them like in prayer and record them in daily action.

1:55:25BubblemanAnd he hung out, he literally has... An insane collection of these old, like, old videotapes too, man. Like, 8 mil or whatever it is.

1:55:35TonyYeah, I mean, I just thought the irony was funny. It was awesome. It kind of tied the world together. But apparently it's legal to grow there. They've got some legal medicals there.

1:55:49BubblemanTerps. Drop it on the counter. I want to hear that sound of click.

1:55:58BubblemanThere it is.

1:56:06BubblemanIt's clicky. Good hash that's been properly dried should really be quite hard. Not all soft. Oh yeah, Scotty's been asking this for a while. Would you mind reading what was etched on the inside of your Stephen Hawkins Sherlock pipe?

1:56:25TonyOh yeah, okay.

1:56:26BubblemanThank you. I've got you, brother. We're going to get Tony to read it. Pay attention.

1:56:36TonyPay attention, man. Yeah, so I definitely was well beyond my means when I ended up with this pipe. I remember that it was significant. So the quote that's on the back is, because there is a law Such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

1:57:04TonyNice. That's tight.

1:57:08BubblemanI like that.

1:57:12BubblemanWell, there you go, Scotty5. I hope you enjoyed that. I know I did.

1:57:20BubblemanDid someone take a picture? I don't know. Did someone take a picture?

1:57:26TonyPicture of what?

1:57:27BubblemanI don't know. I just read things from the chat every once in a while, super randomly. Okay. There's 282 people in there right now talking.

1:57:44SpeakerWatching this.

1:57:45TonyWatching this, yeah. Talking.

1:57:49BubblemanThat's a lot of people.

1:57:50TonyWhat do you think of the smell, Shane? So Shane's kind of like on the outside. He doesn't really smoke or anything. And we're supposed to play some ping pong today. We're going to pong it out.

1:58:03BubblemanWell, what does he think about preventing and just consuming phytocannabinoids, not to get high in any way, but just does he at least, is he aware of the concept of feeding his endocannabinoid system?

1:58:18SpeakerI wasn't until I came up about six months ago, seven months ago. Actually, recently is when it really hit me, because when I was here last time, two years ago, basically, I came in on a Friday, he fed me a fucking brownie, and I was toast for like four days straight. I didn't smoke, I wouldn't touch anything. Yeah, give him a chocolate bar. One of those foam outs.

1:58:40SpeakerYeah, like I was looking forward to like, oh yeah, Colorado, get high, all this. I ate a fucking brownie, dude. I was done for three days. Didn't touch anything.

1:58:48TonyHe ate one bite of a chocolate bar. It was like 15 milligrams.

1:58:53SpeakerAnd he's taking me around. He's fucking parties and everything. Smoking every 10 minutes. I don't know how he did it. But anyway, last time when I came up here, we hooked up a few weeks back and he kind of broke down the science and the knowledge on the different Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:59:37BubblemanAnd what started happening was then, you know, sites like Facebook and YouTube and Instagram, which are for everyone, started allowing all these people to post this information. So instead of being like stuck in our own little corral, we were able to get out. And what we're going to see is that grow and grow and grow. And the people that are going to consume cannabis and phytocannabinoids in the form of vitamin type pills or Flintstone kid pills or cereals or whatever it's going to be, Those people are going to be the majority and the people that you see now that are just the hardcore smokers and stuff, we will for certain be the minority of people that are using.

2:00:16SpeakerThat's right on course. It seems like especially with the need for it, how many people it's helping. I'm just looking at videos of people just crying about how profound these medicines have been in their lives. It's mind-blowing.

2:00:31BubblemanWell, because they've been lied to, and when they realize that, they're going to have another revelation. What the fuck? You've been lying to us and letting our children die and letting our loved ones die and letting people suffer and not allowing people to access a higher quality of existence? Those are crimes against humanity, in my opinion.

2:00:53TonyThat's been my number one drive. That's why I risked everything. It's because it's inhumane. It's our fiduciary duty. To restore the balance not just in our body but in our society.

2:01:07SpeakerWell, don't let them fool you. I'm sure, you know, at the onset we were all, you know, just getting high. But, you know, as the...

2:01:16BubblemanYou know what, that's the beauty of just getting high. When a bunch of people speak before a conference and they're all like, I went to this university and I went to that university and I studied this, I'm able to go up there and be like, you know what, a lot of this stuff, I have to admit, I really learned from so-called getting high.

2:01:33SpeakerYeah, it wasn't just getting high. It was not having words or understanding to describe what was happening and needing to go research and learn more about it. To have the words in the vocabulary to describe what was happening beyond just getting high.

2:01:47TonyWell, and what hasn't been looked at even from writers is the culture is like when you look at people go out and have a pint, they go to a pub, they go shoot pool billiards at a club and have beers, right? Instead they go drinking. And a lot of friends and people talk out their stuff while they're drinking and shooting the shit. Well, cannabis users are exactly the same way.

2:02:14TonyThey get together, they start smoking, and instead of playing billiards and other things, we get into a circle like a ritual and we start smoking. Talking about all kinds of shit. Evolution. And you start talking about each other. People think that cannabis users are like introverts or somehow not like socially acceptable. They got these weird impressions. And really at the end of the day, it's like just our form of bonding as we are in societies, you know.

2:02:46TonySo it's another circle of bond.

2:02:51BubblemanIndeed. One that seems to be really pushing out incredible, like I've always sort of known it as a young activist in the early 90s and, you know, back then understanding the value of hemp thanks to Jack Herrera and his book that really sort of ignited a fire in the young Manitoba activists. We became the Manitoba Hemp Alliance. We became the Hemp Exchange and we had a hemp store in 1992 and 3 if you can imagine.

2:03:19BubblemanThat didn't have any pipes or High Times or any magazines. We didn't want to alienate the farmers that we were looking to communicate with. And they were very old and very kind of straight. So we had no, we were trying to create a store that was based on only hemp way before there was anything really hemp available. And thanks to Jack, once again, High Times Cannabis Cup.

2:03:47TonyYeah, people don't see that. Sometimes they try to rank on them. So really that's what it's always been about is progressing the evolution and movement because what's happening is it gives everybody an excuse to gather together. They're like, all right, let's go to L.A. or let's go to San Francisco or let's go to Amsterdam or let's go to this place. And it's a point to gather. That's really the main part there is that it's a blessing that we can still be together And you have this gathering and this brotherhood and sisterhood, if you will, between the community.

2:04:24TonyYeah.

2:04:25SpeakerThat's like legends, you know?

2:04:27TonySame thing, where it's about coming together, you know? It's like, it's about sharing a meal together. It's about taking the moment for that night to smoke as much hashish as you possibly can.

2:04:44BubblemanI think if the Cannabis Cup did not happen in Amsterdam, that Legends would become a potential three to five day event, and it would become a larger event, and it wouldn't be like the Cup as much as it really would be about just a gathering of charisy people. A gathering of charisy people.

2:05:03TonyNow, see, that's what I like, and I think, and what I told you is that we should do, there should be a Legends, a three-day Legends of Charles and Hashish and music and drums and different types of cool things. I think that we've gotten away from people, you know, with drums and live drums and percussions, but, like, the first day could be dedicated to percussions and beats and live drumming and, you know.

2:05:31BubblemanBelly dancing. Belly dancing.

2:05:33TonyThings like that, you know, like getting down to the roots and the notes and then building it up and having a three-day thing. I think it would go great in each place it would go. I mean, you could take it to, you could do it in Spain, you could do it in Barcelona, you could do it in Jamaica, you could do that kind of stuff in Colorado as well.

2:06:00TonyI mean, you could pitch. You could pitch.

2:06:11BubblemanYep, I agree. You absolutely could, and I'm sure we absolutely will. It's just a matter of the progression.

2:06:21TonyThe format's interesting. It's cool, and I think it needs days. I think that a true legend over a course of three days with hash, you could really see the one prevail. Because over a course of three days in any new location, the hash is going to change. Yep, totally.

2:06:42BubblemanAnd if you had like the boat cruise, like the old cup used to be, something like a boat cruise is super solid. Why? I mean, even if it's like you need three or four boats, put them all in a row, get everyone together and fucking cruise the canals. And stop every once in a while at a huge dock and let everyone change boats. And, you know, you have a few people organizing that that aren't completely obliterated.

2:07:04BubblemanAnd it's super easy to take care of. Like, at Legends, it's like we're all just, like, smoking and getting high. And then all of a sudden you look over and she's got the tray of oranges stacked, like, two feet high. And you're like, that's it right there. I don't need a fucking Snickers. I don't need a fucking, like... You know, I need that right there. That tray of oranges is exactly what they were smoking like hundreds if not a thousand years ago while just chuffing on the hash.

2:07:35BubblemanTrays of fruit. That's legit.

2:07:37TonyIt is legit.

2:07:41BubblemanLove that shit.

2:07:43TonyI used to have back in college, it was funny when I was growing back then, I used to have this like big huge hookah, this golden... Like a rail, if you will. And it had eight different hoses coming off of it. And it was probably four feet tall. And I had the charcoal and stuff. And I would have flavored chars and tobacco-ish. You could have it with and without.

2:08:13TonySo you could actually have flavoring. We used to use the flavoring with cannabis, not with tobacco. And the combination was really pleasant because it For a room of 20 or so, and that's kind of how it was. We used to have 20 people hanging out passing tubes and stuff. And you could just see like how even back then, terps and flavors in a social setting was appreciated.

2:08:43TonyYou know, if you had like a strawberry or you had like strawberry with your cannabis, you know what I mean?

2:08:49BubblemanYep, I do know exactly what you mean. I was lucky enough one time to be at Skunk Man Sam's place for a dinner some years ago. And at the end of dinner, he was like, oh, we got these pills. They're like from this herb in Africa, this bush in Africa. And it like changes everything like sour on your taste buds to super sweet. So we like sucked on these pills for like, they were like red, kind of like made of berries or something, and you sucked on them for like four minutes or something, and then you take them out of your mouth, and then you have a variety of things like onions and fucking like lemon.

2:09:25BubblemanYeah, dude, and you eat all these weird fucking things, and they taste real good to you. It's fucking insane. I'm telling you. Ask him about that. Yeah, how do we get some of that? You can probably Google it as we're sitting here. It would be something like berry that changes sweet to sour or something. Let me see. Berry that changes sour to sweet. That's what it is.

2:09:52BubblemanOkay, the miracle berry may change the way food tastes. Okay, I think they even call it miracle berry, but what it really calls is Sensipalum dulcificum. But it's called the miracle berry. That's right. I think that's it. Yeah, there it is.

2:10:12TonyIt's trippy.

2:10:12BubblemanMiracle fruit is a plant with a berry that when eaten... And it's like somewhere in Africa or something where they have access to like bitter foods or something and it helps to make the food more palatable.

2:10:27BubblemanWow. I'm sure that's it. We made it into a pill. You could Google more of it. Anyway, that was a very trippy thing, especially because we were, of course, chain-smoking bong rips of his 50 to 60% THC, which is like dry sift fucking heaven. Getting that annihilated and then sitting at the dinner table with a full belly, like a full belly, I just ate a huge meal, and then it's like, hey, let's all like eat weird foods that won't taste the way you think they'll taste because you just sucked on this weird African berry.

2:11:00BubblemanYep. Now that's a dinner party, my friend.

2:11:03TonyThat is a dinner party.

2:11:04BubblemanOkay?

2:11:05TonyThat's how you do it. Like you serve like a normal Italian meal, but first you chew on the... No, it was Mexican.

2:11:13BubblemanHis wife is Mexican. So it was this crazy fucking Mexican meal. She always makes like a beautiful chili or some real nice meal.

2:11:24BubblemanIt was awesome. Ridiculous. But you got it. Italian, Mexican, any of those food-based cultures that want to overfill your stomach while you're eating. I can imagine that you gained 10. You gained 2.5 pounds each day that you were in Italy?

2:11:45TonyNo, I gained like 8 to 10 pounds while I was in Italy. Well, I gained about 7 pounds in Italy, and I gained 3 to 4 pounds while with you because all we did was eat pastries and fast walk. And French fries. And tons of French fries. It was French fries, pastries, donuts, coffee.

2:12:07SpeakerPeace to you all, guys. I've got to go. Take it easy, D. Nice talking with you guys. I hope you're feeling better, buddy. See you next week.

2:12:17BubblemanFor sure, brother. D, before that, I talk to Darren often, daily. He's feeling a little sick today.

2:12:27TonyIt's nice to see he had a very inspiring story. It's nice to see him come up. He's been through a lot of shit.

2:12:33BubblemanYeah, Darren's been through a lot of shit, for sure. He's a good dude. He's got the right inspiration. He's inspiring people up in Prince George on the regular.

2:12:45TonyOh, so before I forget, Dane's got a decent following in people on his thing and our thing on River Rock, but they... They saw something, I'm not sure what Dane put up, but it was something to do with Skunk Man, or mention of Skunk Man, we were talking about it, and some trolls on the internet were talking about how he's DEA.

2:13:12BubblemanYou never put up any Skunk Man Sam information on video.

2:13:19SpeakerI didn't put up anything on video. It was one that me and Flav did, and we mentioned, not Skunk Man, but Oh, I hate it. And the name just eludes me. They were talking about the Thin Leafs and Broadleaf Indica varieties. Rob Clark. Rob Clark. We mentioned Rob Clark. We mentioned his name, and because we mentioned Rob Clark, you're like, you know, Sam the Skunk Man's DEA, blah, blah, blah, blah.

2:13:41SpeakerIt's in the video. You'll see Flap. It's in the comments. Oh, yeah.

2:13:44BubblemanYou just delete comments like that and block those people out, because, I mean, you can't feed that. It's...

2:13:50SpeakerI just wanted to... I just didn't want to delete it all, but I was like, well, I don't think that... Oh, I delete it.

2:13:56BubblemanI don't allow people to take over the traction of my channel that I build through good content and editing and the hard work that I put into it so people can come in and chime in some, like, super, like, lame shit about my good friends that I've known for almost 20 years.

2:14:10TonyWait, wait, wait. So that's the point. So, like, some people that are stupid out there that Google something, just like with myself, if you Google my name...

2:14:19SpeakerI'll put a link up right now so everyone, so you guys can read it.

2:14:23BubblemanDude, if you Google Buckman, there's a story that says Skunkman Sam created me.

2:14:29SpeakerInteresting.

2:14:32SpeakerSo... I can't read everything you... Yeah, so... It's a retarded article. I didn't even read it all. I actually only read the first four sentences.

2:14:44TonySo why is that... So the point why I brought that up wasn't to... Wasn't to go there, but to why that is so quite the opposite. So it's basically what happens is when people in different times in life and in the world cross paths that then change courses, people get ridiculed for some weird reason. You get a majority of 90% of the people out there that are for these advancements and these different things that happen and then about 10% of the people just do not like change and they hate on change and they look for anything to absorb and to get fixated on and then they create propaganda that you start to see out there that one may believe and so It's unfortunate.

2:15:44TonyIt happens to every single person in the world that tries to do anything and make a huge impact or difference. No matter who you are, you've got those people constantly creating some weird conspiracy type of shit to you. So that's why I brought it up because it's like they try to say that about him and I hung out with him and I'm like, I've known him well.

2:16:09TonyI was like, it's just the funniest thing

2:16:13BubblemanEver to think that Sam would be anywhere associated with the D. Well, it takes knowing a lot of the story, and when you know the majority of the story and where the rumors of that came from and why those rumors were produced and how people were butthurt and how things came, it's not my story to share. But one day I'm certain that they'll write about it once they've acquired themselves into a position that they feel safer to write about it.

2:16:42BubblemanIt's just really people socially poisoning, people trying to... It's the classic seed business maneuver, actually, whereas instead of telling everyone how great your seeds are, just tell everyone that your competition is the DEA.

2:17:00SpeakerWell, that seems to be pretty straightforward. It was one of the dumbest things I've probably ever read on my comment feed. I literally laughed out loud when I seen it. I was like, I had to reply.

2:17:28BubblemanOh my goodness. Well, good Hash Church today. A couple of, two and a half hours so far. I'm sure we'll go for a little bit longer, but a lot of good stuff was said. Mate I keeps asking me if sweet skunk is from chimera seeds. The sweet skunk is from chimera seeds, but it's really from Breeders Steve. That's where chimera got it from. He gave it to Matt, the great gardener, and Matt, the great gardener, gave it to me.

2:17:51BubblemanSo I hope that answers your question, and I hope that it placates you because you seem really like that's an important question to have answered.

2:18:03TonyThe sweet skunk was the only... Dry sift or hash that I saw. The barb was in nice consistency too though. That was bubble. That was bubble. But as far as dry sift, it was the only dry sift that sat open with the lid off in Amsterdam. Oh, you still have it. That's hilarious.

2:18:29BubblemanNo, this is a different one I left at home so I would have some when I got home.

2:18:32TonyOkay, okay. So yeah, of course, you couldn't take it back.

2:18:37BubblemanNo, no, we'll hit it when we get back there.

2:18:40TonyYeah. So the, and it will still be in its same state. So that was the only one that I saw that didn't cake out.

2:18:59BubblemanYep. It maintained the most beautiful consistency the entire time it was in Amsterdam.

2:19:08BubblemanAnd it will. And I didn't even ask my friend to put it in his freezer. So I hope he does not put it in his freezer because I would love to get there in a year and just see what it's like one year out of the freezer. Yep. I'm not sure if Matt will ever be on Hash Church. I'm guessing you're asking me about Matt the Great Gardener.

2:19:28BubblemanHe's one T. When I see Matt with two Ts, I think Matt Rise. I can't imagine that he'll come on. Maybe one day if he turns into a nicer person. Maybe he's a nicer person now. I don't know. I'm not saying he isn't. I've just had difficulties with him. Maybe it's just me, but I find that it's easier not to have too much contact with him. But Matt the Great Gardener I invited today into Hash Church.

2:19:53BubblemanAnd he was saying that he doesn't really quite have the time. What was he saying? He said something funny.

2:20:00TonySince his wins, he's too popular for Hash Church?

2:20:03BubblemanHe's like, you guys in your social time, I'll be transplanting a 15 lighter under cleaning another 24 lights of ladies and general chores. I wish I had the leisure time for Hash Church. Say hello from the ever-busy GG. And I just said, you know what? This is important work, and it'll give you incredible exposure, and your seeds and your strains and your information will be exposed. It seems like you're giving it away, but really, I mean, that's right up Matt's alley.

2:20:29BubblemanHe's happy to do it, but it's true. He's so busy. He's working. That guy is literally in the grow right now.

2:20:37TonySince I've gotten back from Italy, I've tried to schedule myself Monday through Friday I get 85 hours in. So as I was doing 95 to 100 hours a week, what you have to do is tell him to use Google Calendar and to schedule himself more efficiently so that he can join Hash Church. That's it. That's it right there. You say I can do it, you can do it.

2:21:03BubblemanI mean I'm in the same boat. I don't even know how many hours I put in in a day, but it's got to be. You know, 12 to 15 hours a day, which I don't know what that adds up to, but it's got to be close to 100. It's a lot of hours.

2:21:18TonyBut you got to look at, you know, life and everything else. It's like you got to balance yourself, otherwise you go berserk, you know. And so that's why I'm about to play ping pong. Yeah, that's what you're about to do is write. Ping pong. Play a little pong, get the mind away from everything, come back. It's important.

2:21:39BubblemanMy belt. My boat today will be, I will be lighting up my sled for the first time in months, putting it on the back of my truck, lighting up my dirt bike for the first time in a long, long time, and potentially taking it up to the waterfall behind my house, and just going and puffing a few dabs up there, making a short video if I can find my GoPro and my handlebar mount.

2:22:05SpeakerI'm going to hot yoga.

2:22:09SpeakerWhen's Hot Yoga, Johnny? I'm looking at the schedule. It starts at 3.30. It's where I can relax and I don't have to think for three hours. And then once again, I'm back working, doing the 18-hour days like everybody else. Installing a new LED light again today because the room was being overgrown. So I'm doing that. So I'll do a video on that and Cutting clones and growing my garden, you know, it's a lot of work.

2:22:44SpeakerAs everybody knows, it grows.

2:22:49BubblemanGood work. I'm happy to. Did you see how I set up that light?

2:22:54SpeakerI know. That made me smile. That's when I was going to bring one over here to show you guys. I got one sitting just around the corner. It's going to be mounted in that room. I need to... I'm really happy with it. That LED light is really doing... It's doing really well. The plants are healthy, but it is a couple... It's a little bit behind. I think it's just going to take a long run of flower.

2:23:18SpeakerSo... We'll see what happens.

2:23:23TonySo on your... Okay. On your yoga there, buddy... You're still doing the hot yoga and are you continuing to lose weight or did you kind of plateau at some point? Because I'm trying to, I've lost, I've been losing weight using just raw juices and things lately and cut everything out and I was just curious if you hit a point where you kind of stopped from yoga. Like where you're not losing weight, you're just at the same.

2:23:55SpeakerI don't know yet. I put on a shirt yesterday that I wore for a Christmas party that I wore the day of my wedding and I never thought I'd wear it again. So I'm still losing weight apparently. Wow. But I am eating a lot more healthier. I am cooking everyday raw foods. I got that going on. I'm putting a lot more cannabis oil into my food actually.

2:24:16SpeakerSo I'm consuming a lot more that way and not smoking in the morning at all anymore. So, and I'm just feeling good, you know what I mean? I'm just healthier and feeding my phytocannabinoids like I have been for a very long time.

2:24:33TonyAmazing, bro. That's good. I bet it feels better on your back, too, and the pain from not carrying more weight.

2:24:43SpeakerThat too, definitely. But 100%, I was just stretching when we were doing half church. I went and did a little stretch because my back was bothering me. So it's helping me actually get rid of the pain and at the same time helps me manage it. So if you're in chronic pain, get into a hot yoga studio. Believe me, if you can't do it, like Mark said, the lady who sat there and watched with her eyes and slowly became like internationally known for how she's got all the metal out of her body.

2:25:11SpeakerI can't remember her name exactly, but

2:25:14TonyYoga is just great.

2:25:15SpeakerI mean, that and eating cannabis, of course. I mean, that's one thing that I think we all educate on on a daily basis. It's what works.

2:25:26SpeakerAmazing.

2:25:27BubblemanThere's definitely no denying it. It changed my life. It changes my wife's life daily. And my friend Christian, who turned me on to yoga some many years ago, hot yoga, in fact, Bikram's yoga, he broke his back in Whistler and was very messed up. And so he's been doing yoga every day for probably six or seven years now. And he's quite an inspiration at how healthy he is and how strong he is.

2:25:53BubblemanRather than living in a wheelchair, he's, you know, an extremely strong individual and in good shape. Heals faster than you could possibly imagine. That's the real power of the yoga practice. Where if say John was doing this yoga every day for years before he fell, he would have healed, I promise you, like a hundred times better in the way he healed because of all the yoga he did before.

2:26:23BubblemanThe way we learn is that we get all fucked up and hurt like I did and then I did yoga. But what you learn as you do yoga that what you're really doing is prevent, it's preventative. It's not supposed to be to catch up and to fix what you fucked up. It's supposed to be a preventative thing into the future that allows your mind the calmness to be able to access your own intelligence to make the right choices in life without constant nagging fucking pain, which inevitably you don't have to fall 30 feet to create for yourself.

2:26:57BubblemanThere's a variety of ways to do it, and I'm sure that most of us I have accessed some of those ways of doing it. 257 people. Oh, 255.

2:27:18TonySo have you ever played this game, Words with Friends?

2:27:23BubblemanI don't think so.

2:27:25TonySo it's kind of cool because it's a nice little brain puzzle for you to do to keep your brain kind of sharp. Kind of like Scrabble, you lay out words and you get double words and triple letters and double letters. But the funny part about it is like this is my worst subject is spelling, right? So I'm doing it to try to help, kind of like you brush your teeth opposite handed.

2:27:51TonySo like if spelling is my worst, I'm going to try to just use these little brain tweezers and like, Twisters and what have you to increase that. And so I started playing my friend Shane yesterday with his Words With Friends. So it's like, you can see like how our, what's on our mind, and there's like words like rig, weed, you know, constant, constant just like things that are in our lives, like hoops, raids, you know, like idiots.

2:28:23TonyYou've got all these like create a verge, rodeo, Window pain. All these, like, he's in construction. I'm getting all these, like, cannabis terms that I'm, like, coming up with to try to play this Scrabble game. You know? It's like, it shows your vocabulary, you know?

2:28:52BubblemanSorry, I was just, I'm on the internet, I forgot. I drank a small bottle of Dasani water, so now I'm defending that I know that it's bad for me, but my water is out in Lions Bay. We actually made the news. We have no water because of all of our out tanks got overflowed and our water can't get, we can't get access to our water. And the distilled water that I have ordered is not here yet as it is the weekend, so I get that tomorrow.

2:29:17BubblemanSo I do apologize for drinking Dasani water. I'm not trying to support the Dasani or Coca-Cola Corporation, but wow, I really was thirsty.

2:29:30BubblemanAnd there it is. And there it is. Of the internet.

2:29:33SpeakerOf the internet. You see, and I got about a 120-gallon reserve tank. If I run out of water, I got some nice filtered water to last me for a while. Oh, yeah.

2:29:43BubblemanWe had hundreds of gallons, but our water's been like this for four days, and I have a family of five. As well as a giant house and friends. Yeah, we're at the end of it. We're done.

2:30:08BubblemanOf course we have our reservoir though. And I was catching rainwater too, just for flushing toilets and such things.

2:30:15SpeakerFive gallon buckets of Did you use a light stick in there to get the bacteria away from there too? Carbon filter as well? Carbon filter.

2:30:28BubblemanCarbon filter, you mean the rainwater?

2:30:31TonyYeah.

2:30:33BubblemanNo, the rainwater is just for you to pour a gallon or two liters at a time through the toilet to flush the toilet. It's not, you don't need to do any microbials because it's just taking shit into a, Septic tank. I'm not drinking the rainwater. We have a creek, but it's a little a ways, and because the amount of rain that fell, which I think was like 200 or 300 centimeters, it was an insane amount.

2:31:06BubblemanIt collapsed a bunch of trees and rocks fell in and covered both of our creeks, which one is called Harvey and one is called Brunswick. It's actually, one of them is a well-known one because it's on the internet. If you've ever seen the guy on the kayak ripping down the fucking, like it's a little creek sort of thing, like a little straight down, goes right into the ocean.

2:31:30BubblemanI don't know if you've seen it. It's pretty well-known. It went viral. Millions of people saw it, and that was literally just down the street in, I believe, what was known as Brunswick Creek. Maniacs. Maniacs.

2:31:53BubblemanWell, I'm not sure what's going on today other than maybe a little bit of white caps out on the ocean. I guess one of these days soon I'll have to get up to Whistler. I guess one of my friends is coming up from California, my friend Aaron from DNA. He's going to be making his way up for a little visit and hopefully see them up in Whistler.

2:32:20TonyHe's coming to see you, huh?

2:32:24BubblemanYeah, we're going to see each other for sure. We always make sure on seeing those guys when they come up. I've never seen Don up here, but I've definitely seen Aaron and Kim a multitude of times.

2:32:43BubblemanIt's nice that he's married to a Canadian girl. He could maybe never end up in Canada otherwise.

2:32:49TonyYeah, that's true.

2:32:52BubblemanMm-hmm. No, it's nice. And she's from a great part of Canada, so why not come up and enjoy it? What part is she from? I believe it was Kelowna, British Columbia that she was from originally. B.C., either way. And B.C. is... It's good.

2:33:19BubblemanWhere the resin grows abundant. In B.C. ?

2:33:25JohnnyYeah.

2:33:27BubblemanPeople are tricone farming. All the way up the West Coast and all the way throughout the United States and all the way around the globe, really, because this information is non-localized. It's out there on the airwaves. It's out there in the Internet and the Ethernet. And it's what people have access to, so it doesn't matter where you're from. Scotty Nay, do I look blown? Do I look blown?

2:33:55BubblemanMaybe I'm getting blown right now. Usually when I look blown, I look more like this. But maybe I need another rip. You looking blown?

2:34:10BubblemanAlright, let's get more blown.

2:34:12JohnnyGot a few rips.

2:34:30BubblemanVancouver Island is a wonderful place. I'll tell ya. All right. This came into my sun-crying background. I think that I probably will end Hash Church here in a few, but it was a great one. Two and a half hours of goodness. I think that today was a really productive Hash Church and lots of great information was shared, so I thank everyone for that. And of course, uh, Yeah, I'm sure you probably want to go hang out with your buddy Tony, and I'm sure Johnny B's going to be going and doing some yoga, and I'm sure Horatio's got some dry sift or some LHO to get to.

2:35:10BubblemanSo I will thank you guys all for coming, hanging out.

2:35:15SpeakerThank you guys. Great information today. Very good information today, guys. Thank you very much for sharing.

2:35:24BubblemanHell yeah, guys.

2:35:25SpeakerI'm going to get out, but I will...

2:35:29BubblemanI will see you next time on Hash Church. I thank you all for coming.