Cannabis and the Battle Against Prohibition

0:02BubblemanHello wonderful viewers and welcome to Hash Church episode, well, episode 53 if you can imagine. We had our one year anniversary just last week and what a wonderful anniversary it was. Wow, that was a good episode. I haven't watched it since but it was really packed full of killer information. Obviously Josh and Bubba coming in and sharing their story about OG Kush and the Bubba. Having Skunk Man Sam come in and share incredible stories with us about the hazes, the original hazes and the haze brothers, and of course the infamous skunk number one, which is the fruity smelling skunk, not to be confused with the roadkill skunk, so...

0:47BubblemanWelcome, Etienne, my friend. I did miss you last week, I have to say. It felt a little weird.

0:52EtienneAw, buddy, much love, much respect. Sorry, I tried, but I couldn't get hardly any signal around the Superdome and everything there.

1:00BubblemanWe did see you for a little bit. You were able to come in at least for a little bit.

1:05EtienneBut I did watch it. I mean, wow, what an incredible episode. I have to say congratulations on a year, as well as having Skunk Man Sam on was excellent. I was fortunate to meet him way back in the day, but never got to share the hash or the hash story, so that was absolutely awesome to hear.

1:23BubblemanYeah, you know, we get to puff our bowls while he's in the room chatting away. I thought it was pretty awesome myself. Yeah, I like that. I was very... I've been trying to get him in for... For months. So it was great that Ramon and Rick could go over and get the computer all sorted up and set up for him and sort of, you know, do it as a small group.

1:44BubblemanI know he felt a little weird having no one else there and just having, I told him he could point his camera at his collection and just move things through like even cards or pictures or anything type of thing. So that is that for certain. Fine, fine day.

2:03EtienneYeah, I was going to try to give everybody the shout because I've got the denail sapphire, which I've been using for the last couple of weeks, which has been amazing. So if anybody has one of those, needless to say, get your feedback in. We're kind of doing beta testing right now for denail on them.

2:24BubblemanYeah, I'm waiting for mine. I don't know where it is or what happened, but I know those guys have always taken care of me, so I'm not overly worried about it, but I am anxious to give it a shot.

2:35EtienneI have to admit. Well, they're made on a farm, so it takes, I mean, in a laboratory, so it takes them a while, and they're really expensive. Exactly. And they only have like five available. So I was very fortunate to get a dibs on one of them.

2:50BubblemanPretty high up on the list.

2:52EtienneI got lucky. Literally it was just a post of their Facebook beta page saying, hey, if we got five, and I went, oh shit, two people went dibs, and I was like, I better get a dibs on, but it's wonderful. You have to keep your temperature below 700. Right here you can see they put a space or a titanium space or in between... The sapphire head and the heater.

3:20EtienneOh, yeah. Because of heat transfer, they don't want to shock the sapphire. You can still clean it. You can put it up to 1,000 and actually take it there. But that is to clean it off. But it's been very easy to deal with in maintenance. And, wow, that's a pretty amazing piece of tool there, needless to say. That's exponentially awesome.

3:46BubblemanYeah, I can't wait to get one. Absolutely stoked on that. Hey, welcome. David Hutchinson is in the house. How are you doing today, David? I'm good. Hopefully you can hear me. We can hear you and we can see you perfectly. This is our first time getting to see you on Hash Church. Good morning.

4:01SpeakerWelcome. I'm on a different laptop today, so hopefully we've got a better solution.

4:12BubblemanIt's coming in beautiful. It's coming in beautiful. It's been, of course, last week was our big one-year anniversary, so we're just kind of coming out of that. That was a big deal. Yeah, I saw that. Sorry I couldn't attend. I had another commitment. Oh, that's okay. No problem. We'll get you when we can, and other times it's... It's going to work out that way. I don't know how I've managed to be here for 53 of these with, you know, the things like flus, traveling, all these different sort of things that have occurred over the last year, and I've still somehow managed every Sunday, wherever I am, to be, you know, on this live stream.

4:51BubblemanAnd we've done it from, I mean, I've done it from multiple countries, all over the place. It's awesome.

5:02EtienneHey, I just got to give a shout out to everybody in the technology because BPG has had on average of about 15 to 20 types of rosin in stock. Wow. So I want to thank everybody for spreading the word, spreading the knowledge because, yeah, I'm sitting here, Swerve just brought in their new rosin. It's great stuff from Rosebud and, of course, French Lingerie. People are really stepping up their rosin game 110%, and the patients are benefiting from it.

5:34EtienneAnd needless to say, out of this, though, we're losing all the water hash. So please, people, if you're still making water hash, don't forget us. I know it's a micro problem, but some do still pass, and we still do get stuff in. So please don't forget the water hash. But we're very thankful to have, like I said, between 15 and 20 types of rosin in stock. It's fantastic.

5:57EtienneAmazing for the patients. They're loving it. So thank you.

6:00BubblemanThat's pretty incredible. You know, I was talking. I mean, I have these conversations all the time, every day pretty much. But I was just talking to a guy at a party last night about the rosin. And he's a friend of mine from the neighborhood, but he's not very deeply involved in cannabis or extraction or processing. But a friend of his who's working on his house is very into it and has got him right into it.

6:23BubblemanAnd You know, he's just, he's like, well, what's the value of this stuff? And I'm like, well, it really depends if you're coming at it from a, I smoke a $20,000 pipe and I have to have the best versus I have a terminal illness and I could potentially die without this. So it's a real sort of like we have two sides to the coin, and it's interesting because they are a part of the same coin, and it is hard to remove them from that coin, and it's strange the way the connoisseur, if you could call them that, the person who seeks out the best because they enjoy those euphoric feelings, they just happen to be the people that are finding strains that coincidentally work the best for people who are suffering with terminal illness, you know, that potent...

7:08BubblemanThat potent euphoric effect that the connoisseur looks for simultaneously nine times out of ten seems to be this powerful medicine that works with people that are in dire need. So it's an interesting topic to get involved in when you're talking about something that, well, it's like do you want it or do you need it? And now are people going to price accordingly because, oh, they know you need it.

7:38BubblemanYou know, we've all seen this gentleman that took his AIDS medication pill that he bought and took a $13.50 pill, which costs less than a dollar to make, and he's now charging $750 a pill because he felt like the cost was too low and that he couldn't make money. And so I was so upset with this guy, I actually watched an interview with him because I just thought there's no way that he could be that evil.

8:07BubblemanAnd he definitely, I think, was told by lawyers the right things to say when I saw him in his interview. He said that he would supply the medicine for free to those who couldn't afford it. He mentioned that he was spending 30 or 40 million dollars to redesign the drug so that the drug he actually owns will be Basically useless one day. He's trying to kind of put his own drug out of business.

8:32BubblemanBut I just thought, man, like to charge someone like $5,000 increase in price, it's just kind of sickening. And I've definitely seen it in this cannabis, I don't want to say the cannabis community, because it seems like more of a wolves in sheep clothing sort of thing. And I see it a lot with With the CBD concept and it's, you know, we're so afraid to give children THC that we need to, you know, go back and convince everyone that, oh, no, no, no, this is CBD.

9:03BubblemanIt's not actually THC. It's totally different. It's okay for the children. And I wonder if that road is going to take us, you know... Down a road or a path that we might necessarily not want to go down. It seems to me like if we're going to get rid of prohibition that we acknowledge all the plants, we acknowledge the entire pure plant profile, and we acknowledge the importance that THC both activated and non-activated have in the profile, in the ensemble effect, and basically just, you know, I desperately saw them do it with hemp.

9:38BubblemanI saw the DEA go around the planet and tell everyone get rid of THC or get rid of hemp. So they must know something of the importance. You know, the DEA, there's never been a group that's hated this plant more. They still don't admit that there's medicinal benefits while the rest of the world is all in accepted acknowledgement of the fact. And so I just sort of pose that question to the panel, you know, what, how do we get away from going down that road of this CBD, you know, promotions and this sort of, you know, oh, the THC, well, you know, he's still sort of the black sheep of the family and we sort of, you know, we keep him over here.

10:19EtienneEducation, education, education. Welcome, Tony. Welcome, Mark. The ignorance, as I'm wearing a shirt that says above the ignorance. Um, is rampant, and, um, in the absence of knowledge, in the absence of scientific base, you know, CBD is able to get hold because of, it sounds easier and safer, um, but as we know, it works in conjunction with THC, and it cannot be denied as, but, you know, straight CBD has its effect on, you know, epileptic and, uh, certain spasticity disorders, so science is, Unfortunately, it is there, but it is still out, and we have to do still more research.

10:58EtienneBut without a doubt, we can't necessarily, you know, shut CBD down, because there's use to it. We found that spike. There's something, you know, unique, and it actually helps as an antispice.

11:09BubblemanIt's huge. It's a part of the profile. I just find that when we talk about CBD, nothing else gets mentioned. I mean, I would pose the question to Mark, because Mark got into this, I think, or sorry, David. I got into this in a unique sort of way. His daughter was sick. Am I to believe before your daughter got sick, David, that you were not knowledgeable of cannabis?

11:30BubblemanYou were led into this through that door. Is that correct?

11:34SpeakerAbsolutely. Completely, completely cannabis naive. I remember, if any of you want to see the video of it, it will amuse this community. I was around 50 years old and I was...

11:50SpeakerI read an article, I was desperately looking at anything to help a daughter with a grade 4 glioblastoma and I thought what do I look at and I suddenly found this stuff on the internet about the work of Manuel Guzman and the like. So the day I said to my daughter, I did all this research and I said we need to talk over dinner about this. You need to start taking this and you need to start taking this regularly.

12:11SpeakerAnd she said, oh, very funny, Dad. I said, what do you mean? She said, you know what today is. I said, what do you mean? She said, what's the date? I said, 20th of April. Why? She said, 420. And I said, what do you mean? She said, get with the program, Daddy-O. She said, what does 420 mean? I had no clue. So that's how naive I was.

12:30BubblemanWell, that's amazing. And so can you tell me a little bit about, from someone that came into it, you know, with no clue whatsoever, did you find that you were led down that CBD road?

12:41SpeakerNo, I think I was involved in this, this was 2011. So I started learning about the benefits. It was actually THC I hit first because that was the article that was on Wikipedia. It was about the use of THC and the work that Manuel Guzman was doing in Spain. So I realized there was something there. And then I started reading up on other cannabinoids. I didn't realize at the time that there were as many as there are.

13:08SpeakerAnd I think CBD became sort of a very hot button maybe two and a half, three years ago. And then everybody, those that thought they were in the know suddenly thought they were talking about CBD a lot. But I rapidly realized, I mean, I even would be called an entourage back then because that seemed to be the right term, but I think ensemble is better. But I suddenly realized that the orchestra all playing together was a beautiful sound for certain medical conditions.

13:35SpeakerAnd that's what I realized was that And I think it's, I see the, you talked a moment ago about this guy with the drug and the huge hiking increase. They want to try and keep it in a more pharmaceutical state so it's a single synthesized drug that can be utilized and patented. And I think it's difficult if not impossible for them to To manage it just being grown widely and being widely utilized.

14:06SpeakerSo you've got to know what you're up against. There's a huge apparatus in place to stop this being available.

14:15BubblemanYeah, there definitely is. But we are a huge apparatus to stop ourselves from dying early unnecessary deaths. That's what human beings are. And I think that our passion for that This is going to overcome this, I don't even know if I'd call it a passion or maybe a greed. It seems to be a form of a disease in itself to try and make billions of dollars off of this horrible situation like getting sick, being ill, having an illness.

14:49BubblemanIt's the one aspect of this whole thing that is hard to wrap my head around because we are right about to enter into this New sort of platform or modality of being for this experience, and I worry about it. I definitely do. I am confident that enough of the right people are involved, that people that have this sort of, you know, the proper agenda, if you will, which would be, you know, thinking of empathy and compassion and love rather than fear and scarcity and hatred.

15:27BubblemanWhich seems to be, it's just the battle of good and evil really, isn't it?

15:31EtienneWell, it's a battle of fear. You're talking about patients who are sick and now add on top of that, you know, an expense, you know, an expense that is extreme, you know. Hi, you can live if you can afford this medication is absolutely one of the most unjust things I think that happened in Western society. And one thing I envy about, you know, the Canadian medication is that you can actually have universal access to medication.

15:56EtienneHere, if I go to the doctor, depending on where I am, what hospital I go to, I can be charged between $500 for a pill and $2,000 for a fucking pill. So just that the medical system itself is inherently a for-profit system is a frustration. You know, that's why we in the medical community, we've had to act as not-for-profit. So, you know, that's why we give medication away to over 250 patients each week, you know, Because we realize not everyone can afford this.

16:26EtienneEven once, congratulations, you found out you have cancer, AIDS, etc. Now you need to use medical cannabis. Now you get to find out that your insurance company doesn't cover it. Those costs are there. And it's expensive. And it's not cheap. But it's coming down. You know, you've got to realize we were paying $6,000 a pound 10, 15 years ago. It's come down to the twos, you know.

16:49EtienneAnd the thing with cannabis is as we're able to grow it and actually put it industrially on large scales, its price is coming down. It's not going to be a race to the top like other pharmaceuticals. It's going to be just like any other agricultural commodity. It's going to be a race to the bottom. And that's the reality. There will still be boutique and everybody will still be able to make their fancy, etc.

17:08EtienneBut there's going to be a point where the industrial cannabis is going to finally catch up. It's going to take some time. You know, Colorado's seeing it. We're seeing it in Washington. We're going to find out about it here in California once we go through our situation. But the reality is that the current for-profit system and the medical system is outrageous in many different countries, not just America and Canada.

17:35EtienneIn Britain, I know, in Eastern Europe, I mean, pharmaceutical companies, I don't know how we can ever get that profit taken away because they're profit driven. On top of that, think about this for just one second. It costs, this is back in 2011, it costs $1 billion on average. $1 billion to bring one pharmaceutical from concept to market. $1 billion. So how does that change? People were talking, well, does the government get involved so that You know, they're actually producing, you know, pharmaceuticals.

18:11EtienneI don't know if that's necessarily the good thing. You saw in the military, you could get a screw from anywhere from $100 to $2,000. So the systems are necessarily not there, and we're also dealing in a false economic system right now. What we've been dealing in is a prohibition society markup. We in the medical society have been able to bring that down. And actually been able to keep prices the same.

18:38EtienneWe have not been raising prices in the last 15 years. We've been trying to cap it. But at the same time, the reality is it's still cost to make to manufacture. You know, people complain about people's bubble hashes and the cost, etc. But it costs money to manufacture, to make right now in the prohibitionist society. And, you know, I'm tired of hearing people going off on people's retail price of things.

19:02EtienneStop going after a manufacturer for what they're Somebody is retailing it at. That's the retailer's choice, not the manufacturer or wholesaler. So please stop giving people shit about the cost of whatever their product is in the market. It's there for a reason. I don't necessarily like paying high for a high quality product, but the reality is that the market dictates that so and if you want access to it, you have to realize what's out there and what's going on.

19:28EtienneBut at the same time, If people are buying it, they're buying it for a reason, you know.

19:34BubblemanNo one's forcing you to buy it.

19:36EtienneBut at the same time, if I have a serious illness, how do I get access to that in an area where I don't have access to? So it's just like, you know, David here and his child, you know, they didn't have access or knowledge. You're then sent to, you know, basically what, the black market to find your cannabis. It's not like you had friendly, educated people like the people with my staff and myself You know, we've been working on.

19:58EtienneThere's millions of people around the world who have no access to dispensaries or access points. They're still left in the black market and having to go back in back alleys to score their cannabis, getting ripped off, harassed. The anxiety on top of your medication and already on top of your illness is one thing. Now you get to have to go into a fucking back alley and have to backdoor a deal with somebody you don't know.

20:22EtienneI mean, I'm reading on Hash Church of people who are, you know, patients who are getting ripped off by people they think are trying to do the right thing, even in this community, and they're getting ripped off. And that's the reality is, you know, caveat after, you know, buyer beware still. That's why we're hoping for regulations and we're, you know, I don't like them all, but at the same time, we've got to start somewhere.

20:42EtienneWe've got to start testing. We've got to be able to give you the patient a quality assurance, understanding that what you're getting for a good product and for a good price is safe and accessible. Otherwise, you know, I'm just some other dealer out there perpetuating the same shit. So we have to be the ones who are the gatekeepers, the ones that, and that's why I have a great respect for everyone on this panel because you're all challenging yourself to do better.

21:06EtienneYou know, Tony's always pushing himself. Horatio is always chemically pushing himself. You know, Bubble Man, you're pushing your, you know, your knowledge base all the time, you know, and it's fortunately due to, you know, people like us and on the Hash Church panel and those around the world that are, you know, still risking, still taking, you know, the time, you know, to, Educate everybody else. We've got the right, okay?

21:31EtienneWe've been in the elevator going up. We're sending it back down because we realize that we can't do this all ourselves. This isn't all about like that pharmaceutical guy sitting there getting rich going, ha ha, give me all your fucking money, ha ha. You know, we're not in it for the money. You know, yes, it helps pay the bills and everything else, but for me, after the war, every day was gravy.

21:50EtienneWalking away from that or limping away from that battlefield taught me that every day is gravy and that If I have a chance to leave this world a better place, I better fucking get off my fucking ass and do something about it now. Unfortunately, I've been able and got a tracker to do it, but I'm becoming enough of an expert that I can sit and be on a panel with, you know, honored people like yourselves that are still risking and taking the aspect of realizing that this isn't just about me.

22:16EtienneThis is about others. We have to help other people. Much love.

22:22BubblemanThanks, ATN. Very well put. I want to welcome Mark Scaldone to the room and Horatio, Tony. Nice to see all of you gentlemen. Tony's driving in the car. That's great. I should also quickly read the hash commandments that I finally found. Someone sent me these. Oh, geez, it could have been maybe after the first ten churches, but I thought this was pretty funny and I thought I'd read them.

22:46BubblemanThis is from Tommy, and he says, Hey, Bubble Man, love the last hash church. But I think we need our own Ten Commandments. So I rewrote them. Hope you like it. The Sunday Hash Church Ten Amendments, he calls them, actually. And Canada spoke all these words. Cannabis spoke all these words. Better make that a little bit bigger. I'm not getting any younger here. I am the Lord your cannabis who brought you out of prosecution out of the land of prescribed pills.

23:14BubblemanYou shall have no other drugs before me. You shall not make yourself a lousy cannabis grow in the garret above or on the earth beneath or in the cellar below. You shall not bow down to them or harvest them, for I, the Lord your cannabis, am a jealous plant, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generations of those who can't grow me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep to my high standards.

23:39BubblemanNumber three, you shall not misuse the name of the Lord your cannabis, for the Lord will not hold anyone stoned who misuses his name. Remember the Sunday hash church by keeping yourself medicated. Six days you shall labor and grow all your weed, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your cannabis. On it you shall not do any work, neither you nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female friends, nor your animals, nor any foreigner dabbing in your towns.

24:03BubblemanFor in six days the Lord made the sun and the earth, the water and all that is them. But he rested on the seventh day, therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Honor your bubble bags and your dry-sit screens so that they may live long in the land the Lord your cannabis is giving you. You shall not murder thy neighbor's bong. You shall not smoke bad weed.

24:26BubblemanYou shall not steal thy neighbor's harvest. You shall not give false grow information to your neighbor. I think that one might be the best legitimate commandment ever. I will repeat it. You shall not give false grow information to your neighbor. That's serious. People sometimes, they get in this ego feeling where they're like, I'm just going to tell this guy a bunch of shit I think I know.

24:50BubblemanI kind of read a couple of articles and magazines and I put it together in my head. Do I have any actual experience doing this? None whatsoever. But I will definitely put my friend in a position where in two months he hates me. Let's finish it off with number 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's hash. You shall not covet your neighbor's bong or his grow tent or female plants, his pipe or hash oil or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

25:16BubblemanSo thank you, Tommy, for the laughs. It's kind of hilarious. Even as I was reading it, I could picture people getting offended. So I apologize to all of you out there that may have gotten offended, but to everyone that enjoyed a good laugh,

25:34EtienneI'm an atheist. I'm not offended. I thought it was great. I thought it was kind of funny anyway.

25:40BubblemanHey, Mark, were you going to help us out with some science this morning? I saw we were talking about parchment.

25:50Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, sure.

25:53Dr Mark ScialdoneI was having some connectivity issues, so let me know if I'm lagging or anything. Can you hear me okay?

25:58BubblemanI can hear you great right now. You seem to be okay. We need to get you like a 50-foot cable, an Ethernet cable, so we can plug right into your modem. We need you.

26:07Dr Mark ScialdoneI got it right here. Let me see.

26:09BubblemanSend it.

26:12Dr Mark ScialdoneThere it is.

26:13SpeakerOh, nice!

26:15Dr Mark ScialdoneSo yeah, I'm sitting in my family room. I don't want to be in my office. Yeah, so I guess the issue was using parchment for rosin, is that right? Well, we're worried about the pressure.

26:29BubblemanSome of us are using manual hair straighteners and presses, but others are using pneumatic presses with tonnage of pressure.

26:39Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so pressure and heat... Yeah, so again, I'm not sure that, again, the intended commercial use of some of these coated papers... Are for doing this type of extraction so we can just talk about first of all how these these papers are made and what they're made of and basically it's a it's a it's a heat treated process that uses acid to cross link and make a almost like a gel phase that turns regular paper like white paper Thank you so much for joining us today.

27:43Dr Mark ScialdoneThe commercial coatings for these papers, and I guess we can put these links up to the website, would be the Wacker Chemie products that are provided to this market, which are called dehesive, which is a silicone-based polymer that's actually cross-linked on the paper itself to form the non-stick surface. So most of these papers are used in food applications where Thank you so much for joining us.

28:26Dr Mark ScialdoneBaking parchment, if you look at parchment paper after it's used like if you bake cookies, what you'll see is it does indeed get brittle. So even though it's a heat-treated paper and it's meant to be heated up, it doesn't brittle after use. And what you'll see is that if you heat it up to like a high temperature like 400 Fahrenheit or 450 in the oven, you'll see it start to crisp on the end where it starts to burn.

28:52Dr Mark ScialdoneIt actually won't burn unless it gets really, really hot. But we're starting to decompose there. I mean, the cellulose fibers are basically just exposed to a temperature at which they start to decompose, just like the cellulose that's in our food that we're eating that we cook on top of the parchment. So, I mean, there's all kinds of chemistry that's happening, too, on the surface of the parchment paper itself.

29:18Dr Mark ScialdoneMost of these silicon polymers are I'm not sure are supposed to be used with anything that could be solvent containing, so I wouldn't recommend them. You know, again, people use them for storing, you know, shatter or BHO. I mean, I would imagine that, again, some of that solvent, some of residual solvent from an extract could get in and... What would happen is when the polymer is actually coating the paper, it creates what's called an interpenetrating network on the surface of the paper.

29:54Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so the hydroxyl groups from the cellulose itself somewhat react with the polymer itself to essentially make a covalent adhesive coating. But those coatings will swell with polymer. And what I mean is that, or with solvent, with the exposure to solvent, they will start to absorb solvent. And if there's an appreciable amount of solvent, I don't know if anybody's ever seen this, you could actually get delamination of the coating

30:25BubblemanThat's a guarantee mark. Delamination is happening for so many people because what they're doing is they're sticking it on and off the parchment. There's terpenes that are volatile and could easily break those things down. What you see is once you've removed that coating, fibers start coming up from the parchment paper.

30:47Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're degrading the essence of the paper itself at that point. You're pulling out, I mean, there's certain binders that are still existing in the paper. I mean, most of the lignin's been removed, but there still are binders in the paper that essentially keep the cellulose fibers aligned and oriented in such a way that you get the strength of the paper itself. If you're seeing fibers themselves come out, yeah, I mean, this is something that, you know, again, the industry has to

31:17BubblemanSo just from Google, I went into Google and just basically wrote in parchment paper how it's made. And a quick sentence for everyone. They take sulfuric acid and it hydrolyzes and solubilizes the main natural organic polymer cellulose, which is present in the pulpwood fiber. So they're using sulfuric acid.

31:39Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so they have to use that anyway, Mark. And so even the toilet paper that we all use every day, Thank you for joining us.

31:58BubblemanI always get to the lungs. I always think that this lung issue is something... I mean, I posted this online yesterday, and I had this guy, Nick Mailman, come at me, and he was just like, well, do you have any proof that there's anything bad in the parchment? And I'm like, well, just look at how it's made. I mean, look at the fact that the silicone coating, which...

32:16BubblemanAs well, there's two other things that I learned the names of yesterday. Chlorine without an H and Keylon, which is, I guess, a type of silicon coating. It can be silicon, it can be this chlorine, and it can be this Keylon, all three of which make up this coating on top of this paper. Now, the idea that people are whipping off a couple of thousand batches and potentially contaminating their end product, to me, is a concern.

32:41BubblemanI don't need to find proof. My spider sense is going off and it makes me want to look into it and just be like sort of... Go ahead.

32:51SpeakerYeah, I was just going to say, and I appreciate the explanation, Mark, too, because the real conversation started with creating best practices and industry standards for whether it's hydrocarbons that's out there. They've been through a vigorous, vigorous movement in Colorado of what they have to those with the PSI and Every part and every single little part is taken and analyzed down to a T. And so just being fair to our own industry with the concept of doing commercial and commercial flowerage specifically because the entire temperature is getting higher pressure.

33:32SpeakerAnd people are starting to get into the 70 ton, 24 ton. I mean, you're really putting a lot of pressure. So you have to look at the screens. And the actual sleeves that are being used, you have to look at the paper that's being used, and it only naturally comes to the conclusion that in your head, perhaps Reynolds wrap nonstick leech paper that I buy at Target and I use the press at extreme temperatures might not be designed for that.

34:00SpeakerAnd maybe there's a better way to do it. And let's look at that under the microscope because we also have a safety concern just like when we talk about molds and pesticides and people using things in their plants or on their plants that comes out of the extract. Well, this is something that comes out of the extract. Now, the real discussion goes next to is it okay to store it on the paper if you're not pressing it at a heating average?

34:25SpeakerI tend to think it's probably okay if you've done all your pressing and everything in a Yeah, well, my scientific opinion is that, first of all, these molecules, you've got to remember, they're not small molecules. They're not like... They're not like...

35:00Dr Mark ScialdoneCBD and cannabinoids, they're really, they're polymers, they're really long ass molecules, right? So they don't have the same type of transport properties into materials that small molecules do. And so the other thing is that, you know, they do make the claim that these coatings are good for food contact and use with, you know, Um, oils and oil contact food, you know, oils, you know, cookies that are made in, with oil based and butter based, I mean, are okay for food contact.

35:39Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I think what that says is that the manufacturer certainly had to do due diligence in doing all types of residual tests on baking, um, when you use these, um, parchment papers in baking and you have basically Soil and animal fat that could extract any small molecules that could exist in the coating or any other residual small molecules, those have to be acceptable or below detectable limits for use in food that humans are going to consume.

36:14Dr Mark ScialdoneSo my first, again, scientific opinion based on knowing that those are in the marketplace for use in food contact, and in particular, food contact Under thermal load that I do believe that it should be okay for one pass use, but I'm worried what Mark was saying about the exposure of the fibers themselves and where you actually physically see the paper degrade or you see loss in mechanical properties of the paper.

36:47Dr Mark ScialdoneThere where you're actually eating into the chemistry of what's going on inside the paper and not just the coating itself,

36:55SpeakerI would agree. Yeah, let's talk about a common thing that's out there. How about the parchment paper just splitting while you press it? When you see it split, or before it gets split, or before it rips. So now what protects that edge, you know? And so you have to think of the exposure. That's what it comes down to is the best practice is the parchment under high pressure where you can get different types of exposure to it.

37:20SpeakerWhat's the yes or the no in your opinion?

37:23Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, again, to calibrate everyone, I think it's useful to understand what we mean when we're talking about pressures, because pressure is a very interesting variable. And so atmospheric pressure, so the pressure that the atmosphere exists on the Earth at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch. That's... That's denoted as PSI. So if you were to measure, if you were to go to Seaside Heights, New Jersey, and measure the atmospheric pressure, it would be 14.7 pounds per square inch.

38:03Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, I mean, you were talking about PSIs and the thousands of PSIs, like 2,000 to 5,000 PSIs. I mean, you're talking several hundred atmospheres worth of pressure. I mean, that's a lot of pressure. When you're doing chemistry under pressure at these kinds of pressures, everything changes. Because you're actually pressurizing things at such a temperature that you're making molecular interactions happen that wouldn't normally happen by decreasing what's called the partial molar volume.

38:41Dr Mark ScialdoneBut it's fascinating, again, to think that a combination of heat And pressure could be dialed in to give a unique set of conditions to give a good yield on resin. And the only thing that I would worry about again with going back to the parchment issue is that some of these papers again might have chemical additives that actually are used in the processing called slip agents. Some of those slip agents are usually oleophilic molecules, so they would definitely extract into a plant extract.

39:22Dr Mark ScialdoneI think the slip agents are long gone. They're just materials that are applied to the rollers as these rollers are going at very, very high rate and volume just to make sure that they're kind of like lubricants. Those lubricants obviously are oil-based and would extract into any extraction, but I think that those molecules are long gone. And again, just remember that the companies like Reynolds Wrap and Walker Camille who provides this coating had to do the due diligence to get this approved for food contact.

39:55Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so what that means is that any residual that extracts into a hot process by a fat-based extraction is at either a non-detectable rate or non-detectable limit or At a rate that just doesn't require any health concerns.

40:17SpeakerSo to simplify your science answer, are you saying that storage is okay, but there's a certain level of PSI which would be concerned? And that should just be a yes or no?

40:31Dr Mark ScialdoneI wouldn't think storage is an issue, Tony. I think the issue that you can see is that if you start to see embrittlement of the paper, if you see changing of the paper properties where you know that whatever you had in that paper is now eating beyond the coating that that paper is coated with but now into the paper itself, that would be alarming to me.

40:56SpeakerYeah, so terpenes could do that. That's awesome.

41:02Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, I'm not sure exactly what terpenes are responsible and at what levels. I mean, I would think that also what would make a difference would be what terpenes are there and whether or not they're either, you know, trapped and trained in the wax themselves or freely mobile throughout the amorphous phase of the wax.

41:25SpeakerI guess you'd have to take deeper into myrtanine beta-globulin. I just want to know for myself because, you know, moving forward, you want to have the best and safest medicine. If you're going to be a non-solver producer,

41:58Dr Mark ScialdoneThose non-stick coatings are there for a reason. They're there because it's meant to come in contact with food, and when parchment comes in contact with food, if the coatings aren't there, the food's going to stick to the paper.

42:12BubblemanI think we can assure ourselves of this. No one has produced a product for what we're doing right now, and that when someone does, and they do the science on all of it, The product that will be produced is going to be a lot better than the parchment that people are buying at their local grocery stores to make a medicine to sell to patients at dispensaries and the likes.

42:37BubblemanI just can't imagine, not to mention the absolute waste of like A, running parchment paper one time thousands of times over the course of a few months, it just seems Thank you so much for joining us today.

43:21Dr Mark ScialdoneI think they use atomic absorption, flame absorption spectroscopy or ICP to basically determine silicon at very, very low concentrations. You could just basically take some of your rosin, submit it to a commercial test laboratory that tests for trace silicon analysis and see if there's any silicon in there.

43:41BubblemanI would even take it a step further and I would have a variety of parchment papers tested at the lab. To tell us what is in this parchment paper, what has been left behind and is possible to be transferred. That to me would be the first group of tests and then the rosin would be the secondary tests. I'm not using parchment paper anymore though. I just have a strong feeling.

44:05BubblemanI had a strong feeling from even when I first I met the oil slick guys again, and they were like, yeah, we're not using parchment. We're using the oil slick pads. You just can't fold them in half because you can actually, with the pressure, once again, break the oil slick pad. It really is an issue.

44:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, those oil slick pads are, from what I understand, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, are they just fluoropolymer? It's basically Teflon? Is that right?

44:32BubblemanI would think that this is like Teflon-coated fiberglass, yeah.

44:38Dr Mark ScialdoneTeflon coated fiberglass, so it's basically, it's got all the same issues that Teflon coating anything does. Exactly. Which is that there's chemicals, I mean Teflon doesn't just happen, Teflon has to be made, and Teflon doesn't go away. You know, there is no natural occurrence of the carbon-fluorine bond in nature, and so nature hasn't figured out a way to metabolize it. So all that stuff is persistent. Meaning that it doesn't go away.

45:09Dr Mark ScialdoneOur contact, human being contact with fluorinated surfaces, whether it's nonstick surfaces in restaurants, I mean when you're getting an omelet made, you don't know whether they used a nonstick pan or not. I mean you're being exposed to it. The coating that they're putting on Levi's, Dockers, stain resist that's used for Common Clothing, which is coming in contact with you, has this material. This material is now ubiquitous in our society.

45:44Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd my former employer is probably one of the notorious providers of this. And again, this material, when it's heated up, God only knows what happens. I mean, you can get a lot of very, very bad degradation reactions What's happening when you have fluorine? You throw fluorine and carbon into the pitcher, you know, look out. I don't know that that's been studied for people to understand what the round is.

46:13BubblemanThat's why we're having the conversation, dude, exactly why we're having the conversation.

46:17EtienneWell, that's what we have to understand, and that's what, you know, we have to know so that we know what's going out and what we're putting out. You know, all on top of that, we know what chemists can look for as well. You know, because, just because we're testing cannabis doesn't mean that we know what we're looking for. We're only testing for the known knowns that we have knowns.

46:36EtienneYou know, so we have to know these other realities so that we can start figuring out and working with manufacturers and then start realizing what we're doing with their products so that we can start to get some feedback so we can fix this.

46:49SpeakerYeah, I think the main thing is, yeah, look into industries and sell them. And materials that are specifically designed for pressure and heat and food exposure and parchment is like on the bottom of that list. Reusable sources, you know, they exist. And so that's what we're talking about. And so, you know, you can always come up with an argument for a different angle for a different thing.

47:21SpeakerWell, this person is throwing... This is an important conversation I think just to a lot of people are doing it. I think another important conversation is if you are using screen inside your parchment paper

47:51BubblemanI buy a very expensive screen for bubble bags. It's Swiss made and it's very high grade heat stamped polymer. It can go up to almost 500 degrees without off gassing or losing any form. So if you're using screen that is of a lower quality like a Chinese screen, it can have all sorts of different types of plastics in it. They could absolutely... Release off gas and I've seen many people posting, you know, pictures of their screen melted all up and I've heard Joshua from the Bizarre Brothers, he calls it flubber.

48:28BubblemanHe's seen a certain grade of rosin that people make and it's just weird texture. It's almost like Like he pulls it and you release it and it kind of snaps back. Like this is not what your hash is supposed to be doing. I think it's important for people to just understand that because we are human and we're fallible, we are open to make all sorts of different mistakes and that when we're discussing something like, you know, health, Terminal disease, you know, that feeding of the endocannabinoid system, and David Hutchinson brought up a neat point we might want to talk about later on in regards to the ECS and the pineal gland and a potential relationship between those two.

49:09BubblemanI know I've heard when people consume ridiculous amounts of fluoridated water, fluoridated toothpaste, you know, there are people that claim that this, you know, coats up the pineal gland, that it like... It covers these different receptors with some sort of plaque. I saw recently Stanford University did a study on Alzheimer's, and they found this plaque on these receptors that was keeping the cannabinoids in from communicating, and basically they're discovering that that's what Alzheimer's disease is.

49:47BubblemanSo once we move away from this parchment conversation, I'd love to sort of... Talk about anything that you guys can think about or know about in regards to that sort of pineal gland ECS relationship.

50:01SpeakerWell, I wanted to bring up something, if you can see it. I went over to a friend's house, and everyone seems to be using these titanium-coated silicone cups now. And I look at it, and I'm like, I see the same silicone cup. But he showed me this. And I doubt you can see it because my screen is so different, but the one with his oil in it, it absorbed into the cup.

50:28SpeakerIt's not where the cup actually absorbs onto the oil and you pick it up and it's got a sheen, but the actual white container is getting yellow. And he got a call that like 29 of your containers, all the oil is leaking into the container and we want to return them. So it reverberated back to the dispensary level. I don't do anything with these anything soft rubbery cups.

50:53SpeakerSo I don't know much about the different grades. And when someone says it's titanium coated, I'm like that doesn't seem like a reality to me. When do you see a lot of falsehoods? Like, not the old school cups, because we all know those old, really shitty ones, but this is supposed to be new, and the new coating is supposed to protect the silicone, but instead, I see one is turning yellow, the oil is going into the cup, instead of the cup going into the oil.

51:22BubblemanNot good. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That does definitely not sound like a good situation at all. It's just these little things, and you don't mean bad. What's that, Tony?

51:35SpeakerJust dab the whole cup. Just cut it up into pieces and dab it. At that point, when it gets in there, you don't really have many choices. You just want to dab the whole thing.

51:47BubblemanJesus.

51:49SpeakerI only asked for a sample in case something like this would come up in Hash Church. I'm like, ooh, can I get one of those fucked up cups for science is what I said. And then I leave with it. And that's what I do. I collect a lot of things hoping for the next big video. I'm like, ooh, that looks really fucked up. I'll need that because people need to know.

52:10BubblemanWhat we really need is we need that sort of little product that came along a while ago that was obviously didn't work. I think it was called the MyPDX or MyPX or something. It was this little box and you could just test anything. It was like, oh, look at the grocery store. I'm testing the watermelon for pesticides and here I am testing my... It is quite an incredible utopian, futuristic idea for a technology.

52:35BubblemanIt's something that, man, do we need. It's almost like before you had Google. You know, because everyone just loves to talk shit, but nowadays it's like, well, let me just check on my little futuristic device here whether you're talking out your ass or not. Well, I can imagine one day a device that allows us to test much the way we search through Google. It just allows us to do it on the spot for all sorts of different things, you know, break down the molecular reality of whatever a concept or a thing is.

53:06BubblemanI love the idea personally. You know, this team...

53:12Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll get to work on that right away.

53:14SpeakerI just wanted to put in a correction. These are called platinum cured containers. It's not titanium. It's platinum cured. And again, they're not spending platinum on these plastic cups in China. So people in the chat seem to be chiming in that they're experiencing what I described, even though I can't visually show it. It's platinum cured cups. These are the same people that put lead.

53:40Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's a silicon rubber where they use a platinum-based catalyst to make the rubber. That's all. That's all.

53:47BubblemanWhat else is in the rubber?

53:48Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's always my worry from China because I remember the… Yeah, I mean, again, these are high molecular weight silicon rubbers that are, yeah, made over in China just because that's where they could be made cheaply and you could… Throw away the waste products and not be questioned, you know?

54:11Dr Mark ScialdoneUnfortunately.

54:12BubblemanWell, here at Hash Church, we question everything, if you haven't noticed.

54:16Dr Mark ScialdoneWe do, indeed, question everything.

54:19BubblemanHey, there's a nugget. Is that your Uber driver? I'm just kidding.

54:28SpeakerNot my Uber driver, but... It is, uh, this is actually, this is actually from, uh, Chem Scout. Chem Scout. Who won, uh, first place in, uh, San Fran. Looks fire. Yeah, he, uh, he came in the other day to, uh,

54:52SpeakerThere's a little hair.

54:56BubblemanJust pull that little hair off of it in the middle on the side. That's bugging me and it's such a nice looking bud. Yeah, I'm a Zosia ratio.

55:05SpeakerI saw it and I'm like, Tony, turn that thing quickly, please.

55:11BubblemanIt's right in the middle of the bud, kind of where it goes in, like halfway up the bud.

55:20SpeakerIt might have been the light or the sun because I have sunbeams on it.

55:28SpeakerLet me see.

55:34BubblemanI don't know. You put the camera on the radio.

55:36SpeakerThere's no hair on that.

55:39BubblemanIt looks beautiful. There's no hair on that.

55:42SpeakerIt looks fire. Fire-free. It's hair free. I don't have any hair. He doesn't have any hair. I don't have any hair. I can't have any hair. I don't know. Can you see it in the sun?

55:55BubblemanNo, it looks great. I really didn't think I saw hair in the leaf where it kind of went in.

56:04SpeakerThat's like a flawless nug. I don't normally smoke flowers, and I'm not driving, just so we're clear. So I'm going to actually, I'm going to use the little R&D PDF box you were talking about. I'm going to test it, Bubble Man. I'm going to test it right now. It will look like this.

56:31SpeakerIt's a simple device. You grind up the herbs, and then you smoke it.

56:39BubblemanIsn't that what they call a bioassay?

56:42SpeakerYeah. I feel like we need to invite like David Allen or some other like people of such ilk to

57:04SpeakerIt's a question I've had for a while because brain plaque, it has a couple of names like senile druse and neuritic plaque. There's a type of headache that you can get when cannabis can work for you in the brain region and I had asked my wife about I got like it basically it felt really good and it felt like pain was being broken up in zones in my head and I felt I'm like god this feels like crap plaque breaking up and flowing dissolving into my bloodstream and I was like is there anything such thing as brain plaque because I swear this is cracking up plaque in my brain and allowing actual function so I started to push it through and push it through and then that's where the Alzheimer's cannabis connection came into play and Thank you for joining us.

58:13SpeakerSupposedly bred for multiple sclerosis. And he said, I don't know, but it's the only thing that creates an activity in my brain that really feels different than any other cannabis I use. And I had gone off my own product just from running out. And after about five days when I tried it, I got this massive headache. But it wasn't a headache that like, oh, I feel bad.

58:36SpeakerIt was like, let me just sit with this. And I think I'm going through a process. And it comes up as a real thing, this brain plaque. When you hear it, you're like, brain plaque? That's weird. But when it starts to show up as neuritic plaque in multiple diseases, I wanted to find someone that could get answers on how cannabis relates to that and how in the healing process, why basically some healing processes hurt.

59:04SpeakerAnd when should you know that it's hurting in a good way because your body is dumping toxicity into your bloodstream, which can be painful?

59:14BubblemanYeah, it's definitely an interesting correlation. I mean, I was just, as you were mentioning plaque and listening to you say that over and over again, I saw myself picturing like it's plaque that grows on teeth, and then they try to get you to take fluoride in your toothpaste to break down the plaque, and then the fluoride ends up like building plaque On like the receptors in your brain, it's pretty fucking crazy.

59:37BubblemanYou know, they feed us food. And here's one for Mark who earlier said, oh, well, if it's, you know, if it's certified for food grade, it's going to have to be, you know, somewhat safe. Have you looked at some of the food they sell in the grocery store? It's like as far from safe as you can possibly, it literally kills people. The food they sell is, In the grocery store, I bet you, in any grocery store at any time, there are kilos of Roundup in that food if you could get it out.

1:00:08BubblemanAnd it's all for us to be able to go and buy.

1:00:10Dr Mark ScialdoneOh my God, you touched on a few subjects there. Okay, where do we go? Let's go back to the plaque. So the headache, first of all, Most headaches, you know, the headache that you feel when you have like a throbbing headache is due to a lack of blood flow in and out of the brain and you're getting sort of byproduct buildup that needs to be removed and it's not and it's undergoing a process called hypoxia but it's also the effect that cannabis has is again it's a great Thank you so much for joining us.

1:01:12Dr Mark ScialdoneIn the Alzheimer's process has been widely studied for the last almost 25 years and I tell you it's a huge very complex process that I'm not sure that the cannabinoids play a direct role in but I'm sure absolutely certain that they play a secondary role in that they're stimulating the brain and they're stimulating activity happening in the brain which has all types of secondary effects in the brain to make the brain more healthy.

1:01:42Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know that old saying, if you don't use it, you lose it? I think that that's what happens. Again, you have to stimulate the brain and give it the mental exercise and stimulation that it needs to stay healthy. And I think that that's perhaps maybe the reason why they're seeing impact on plaque formation, not necessarily that the cannabinoid receptors somehow potentiate plaque adhesion or deposition or formation.

1:02:12Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm not sure that that link has been made just yet.

1:02:14BubblemanYeah, yeah. Check out the latest from Stanford because that's exactly what they talk about.

1:02:20Dr Mark ScialdoneI saw that. So what they're trying to do is they're trying to understand the process that underpins the receptor expression. Basically what that report says, Marcus, is that there's all kinds of work that still needs to be done.

1:02:34BubblemanOf course, but you know, it's pretty interesting nonetheless. I was very interested in it.

1:02:39Dr Mark ScialdoneAbsolutely. I mean, I think that, again, where people are the effect in the neurological sense, again, goes back to the previous discussion that the gentleman was having around CBD versus THC. I mean, CBD, we know, is responsible for binding to the CB2 receptor, and THC binds to CB1 receptors. CB1 receptor is one that's Most highly expressed in our nervous system and in our brains where the CB2 receptor is expressed all throughout the body in our immune system.

1:03:19Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, I mean, again, yeah, you're going to have different effects of different ratios of these cannabinoids under different metabolic, again, chemistries that all are different in our bodies and how we understand how to dial in medicine And a particular ratio for a particular patient under a particular medical condition, we're still far away from being able to do that.

1:03:47SpeakerMark, I'm going to follow you up and ask you the same question in a different way, I guess. When it comes to that same brain condition and homeostasis, would cannabis be more in the vein of stimulating the brain to regulate itself, or would cannabis actually be a part of Thank you so much for joining us.

1:04:35SpeakerAnd it's not, the thing is it diminishes over time. So it's almost like withdrawal from your actual homeostasis. So I had went off my regular medication. So when I got that first hit, I'm like, whoa, is this what people experience when they try my product, for instance, for the first time? I get a lot of feedback that, oh, I can't walk without this, or oh, this completely clears my headache.

1:04:58SpeakerAnd I'm like, well, I don't really know. It doesn't, I can't tell my daughter to take a dab, but... When it came to the people with multiple sclerosis, and including myself, we're all insomniacs. And that's where there seems to be a production of, it may not even be the same type of plaque, but insomnia producing a condition in the head that then the cannabis is literally upon the dab, like within minutes breaking apart.

1:05:23SpeakerThose particular strains that seem to affect the brain directly, either warming it or rolling through the head, But I'm trying to get an answer for why in somebody who has a severe need, they won't just get a warm feeling in their head, their head might get knocked the fuck off and like really be in a condition of like emergency repair because it's getting it like when you said Nyla got the oil on her lips, her body immediately vacuumed it up.

1:05:51SpeakerThere seems to be people with these super tolerances but they're not experiencing the psychoactive effects and That's kind of where I'm trying to relate back. It seems I have a super high tolerance, and if I go off my meds, I get a rocking headache that really, really, really feels good to me. It's a good feeling. That's why I'm like it's not really a headache. It's just the only way I know of saying, you know, it's almost like bloodletting where they release pressure by letting blood out of your head.

1:06:18SpeakerIt's not scientifically viable, but that concept of release of pressure by creating pain, is there any other, What's the process in the brain where that could be linked?

1:06:30Dr Mark ScialdoneDr. Again, just the general anti-inflammatory properties that these things have. Inflammation is going to restrict blood flow, and where you have restricted blood flow, that's where you can't empty out the cells' bad components quick enough, and you get sort of a backup in the system. Let me go back to something that you had said, though, about when someone takes your medicine. Again we talked about the ensemble effect a few times previous to this where we had again posted some links to the some various studies that were done that basically show that when you get that initial hit and when you basically are getting a large dose of any one of the terpenes which is going to start creating all kinds of cellular effects to basically Turn on the cells.

1:07:26Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd when it turns on the cells, you're going to upregulate the formation of the receptors. And when you're upregulating the formation of receptors, you need less of the active ingredient to achieve the same level. So I think that you're going to reach neurons, and you're going to reach things that you wouldn't normally necessarily reach with that kind of product than if you were going to take the same amount of THC Thank you for joining us.

1:08:22SpeakerSo there could be side effects from basically massive change from whatever their state is, if their brain is in a, you know, almost crusty state. If that was to happen all at once, I mean, I could see how someone might experience that as more mind-rocking than, you know, the fact that we can take 40 dabs in an episode. I'm just trying to get a sense...

1:08:47Dr Mark ScialdoneIt might feel euphoric to them, or it might feel very uncomfortable...

1:08:52SpeakerWell, I get the anecdote, I get way stoner on way less all the time. And now going to the other side of the coin. It makes sense, right? It totally makes sense, chemically. So now, my last question, the syringes, now those are terpene removed. It is supposed to be just the distillate of straight cannabinoids. Would there be a time in which that would be, like orally when we're eating it, it's going into the acid pit.

1:09:18SpeakerWe're just talking about T, it's seeing no CBD. I've seen Tony in a video where he is destroyed on 100 milligrams, like true destroyed, where I can take 1,000 milligrams and I can barely tell the onset. Now that has grown, like the first time I could tell, but I'm on day five now and I just feel, my body just feels like it's something it can't live without and I feel like I'm, homeostasis is operating better, but if I asked my government, they would tell me I should be in a coma.

1:09:52SpeakerAre people who are actually sick blowing, is their body just consuming it versus it getting to be used psychoactively? Because it seems high tolerance people actually have illnesses that they don't know, they just consume and don't get high and feel okay.

1:10:08Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean it goes back to what I was saying earlier, your body chemistry and how your body Neutralizes and deals with these molecules that it infuses as environmental insults. Yeah, I mean this is the magic. And again, being able to dial a particular cannabinoid regimen or mix of cannabinoid terpenes, I mean we're far away from being able to Do that on a statistically wide swath of the population that say that, look, if these are your headaches and these are your symptoms or these are your muscle aches, this is what you need to take for that.

1:10:51SpeakerOkay, yeah, because somebody's treating their mother with cancer and they would take the normal black syringe and 50 points, sorry, 50 points.

1:11:03SpeakerIs it 50? Yeah, 50 milligrams. And his mother would be on the floor and crawling and oh, and he's like, I can't up the dose. And I'm like, I don't know, dude, it seems like she's suffering from the side effects of CBN. Because if you completely remove the CBN, half of what everyone believes is the medicine working goes away. And you can actually ingest a lot more for your condition than you could take if it made you sleepy, because she's now able to ingest 300 milligrams happily without that CBN, that microfracture fraction that seems to be knocking everyone out, but people also attribute it to the cannabis working.

1:11:42SpeakerIs that possible, that small fraction of CBN that's in everybody's... Is that multiple sclerosis patient? In this case, I've switched over to a chest cancer patient.

1:11:52Dr Mark ScialdoneChest cancer patient.

1:11:53SpeakerShe's taking the THC distillate for her cancer. Are they a cannabis user? Have they been a cannabis user? They were not. They don't smoke. It mainly became her son, who is, you know, an extraction artist, being like, Mom, you've got to try the oil. But same thing. It seems that everybody tries the black oil. Everyone goes for a completely shitty spin and goes, I'm an adult. I can't live that way.

1:12:20SpeakerAnd they quit or they start to avoid their dose, skip their doses. And I start to wonder about how much THC does it actually take to trigger the death in cancer cells versus how much CBN can be considered a side effect. That is stopping people from being able to uptake a significant amount of THC because I see in myself without that CBN fraction, I can gobble the shit, but if I eat a little bit of black nugget, I'll hit the floor like everyone else.

1:12:51Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. So the first question I always ask is, you know, especially with cancer patients, is are they cannabis users? Are they lifelong cannabis users? Have they used cannabis? Have they had a daily intake Thank you so much for joining us.

1:13:34Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd be ready for the euphoria. But I would also caution that, you know, just because you feel the euphoria, that doesn't mean that the cancer is being fought. Like if you feel the side effects and say, well, I'm high, I must be cancer free, or I must be getting better. I think you could be lulled into thinking that, again, you're getting better when you're not. It's one of the reasons why I think one of the areas that we're interested in working on is delivery of cannabinoids to solid tumors because you can't always get the amount of cannabinoid that's needed directly to the tumor to have the anti-tumor effect.

1:14:19Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I think that there's going to be a whole lot of research and a whole lot of value on medications specific to delivery of Thank you for joining us today.

1:14:46Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you so much for joining us.

1:15:13Dr Mark ScialdoneConcentration of cannabinoids up to where it needs to be to have the anti-tumor effect, especially if not a lifelong cannabis user, is going to be a challenge.

1:15:26SpeakerWell, that was the astounding thing is without those contaminants, her ability to uptake the cannabinoids went up six times. She went from 50 milligrams to 300 milligrams and didn't fall asleep. And as soon as she said, she said, oh, I could never take this amount, I would drop dead. I'm like, it's the fucking CBN in the people's products. It's putting people on the floor before they can get the THC they need.

1:15:53SpeakerSome people are lucky and can... Thank you for watching.

1:16:19SpeakerAnd when I, because now that I treat a lot of the descriptions as side effects, I'm like, no, no, no, it's not supposed to do that. That's a side effect. That's not a benefit. I see a lot of people basically getting a disservice by how the product is formulated.

1:16:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I can, it makes scientific sense.

1:16:46SpeakerI hate to bring that kind of bad news. In her lung cancer case, she's also using the transdermals physically, where she's got it on her sternum and it's actually affecting her breathing. So by taking it internally and then adding that transdermal, I'm like, well, you're not going to get closer between your lungs and your chest than you're outside of your chest. It's just... So she's trying to hit it from that two-fold side of things.

1:17:11SpeakerI wish Tony would come back because the transdermals have had a pounding when it comes to expectations this week. I learned what anal cancer was and it is way worse on people than prostate cancer. I didn't know it's an actual shutting of the gates that allow you to evacuate and the solution is to cut it out in a place that doesn't take stitches very well. And somebody reached out and said, I'm trying to use your product on anal cancer.

1:17:43SpeakerAnd I'm like, will it work? And I'm like, oh, good God, that sounds like it needs way more cannabinoids than the transdermal I normally use. I don't even know what to say. I'm like, should you just put oil on that? Or without those transdermals, without that actual barrier-passing ability, it wouldn't do as good. Basically, would raw be better in a super concentration on a cancer that is literally on the surface of the body than working with a transdermal to try to get it through the tissue right to the core of the cancer?

1:18:24SpeakerYeah, I don't know. You're the closest doctor I've got. It's all I do. I'm like, if I can scientifically look at it from a chemical standpoint, at least I have a good shot at thinking this is a relevant approach compared to the person having six centimeters until they have to have surgery.

1:18:43Dr Mark ScialdoneDr. Yeah. Well, again, the rectum, we kind of joked about this before, is a great absorbing tissue for fat-soluble materials. So yeah, anything fat soluble should be able to be put into a deposit or a suppository and administered in that way. What's the clinically efficacious dose? I mean, if you're looking at, you know, stage four colon cancer, I think as much as you possibly can get.

1:19:17SpeakerOkay, that was my fear about everyone. No one was pushing the limits of what could be uptaken because everyone seemed to hit the floor at a very small dose. And I thought it was a matter of purity why people couldn't uptake it. So that's when I started looking at contaminants as a source of side effects and how much THC we actually need to cause... If I can take 1,000 milligrams, I know I could take 3,000 milligrams in a single dose and do Hash Church no problem.

1:19:51SpeakerSo that scares me is that if I had cancer, I have no clue that I might need 5,000 milligrams. And that might be the dose, and nobody can afford it, but that might be the dose that society needs to deal with something that strong. But very few people can get to it because the CBN puts you to fucking sleep and then you hate the medicine.

1:20:12Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, if you're looking at stage four cancer, I mean, my advice to any patient is to get cannabinoids in their system and do it as often, as frequently as they possibly can. Do it orally, do it sublingually, smoke it. If you can't smoke, I knew a lung cancer patient who couldn't smoke, but they can use Volcano. And again, the Volcano, you're not getting combustion, you're just getting, you know, Vaporization, so maybe it's not as sensitive to contaminant issues.

1:20:46Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's funny because, you know, not funny, but it's just ironic that I remember the first smell of weed that I ever remember smelling was the smell of moldy weed. It was the smell of weed from the, you know, 1974. One of the things that I certainly remember about that Is that there was a certain fuzziness to the leaves that were not trichomes, and now that I think about it, it was probably mold growing on stuff that we were smoking back in the 70s and 80s.

1:21:18Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, again, I guess, you know, contamination of products, especially for patients who are medically compromised, is a very, very sensitive issue that I would think that, again, from the point of view that That if you're a stage four cancer patient and you're looking to survive at this point, getting cannabinoids in the system, especially if they haven't been using all these years, is absolutely a must.

1:21:54SpeakerYeah, I could chime in on that to answer that Horatio, because I deal with that a lot every day. And Mark said something important, and There's two things that's going on here. One, the most important question you have to ask that patient is if they're a cannabis user or not, because it makes a big difference. If somebody said, yeah, I smoke and eat edibles all the time for the last 20 years, well, great.

1:22:20SpeakerThat gives you an idea of where, one, their tolerance is at, and two, their exposure to cannabis in general. And then three, it kind of tells you, okay, if that person's been taking Thank you. Thank you.

1:23:04SpeakerWe're unable to hear you. I think someone's doing a sandwich wrap or something. Your mic is so sensitive. No other sound can really happen.

1:23:35BubblemanHaving a hard time hearing you.

1:23:37SpeakerOkay. Okay. Well, that was just somebody getting in the car. So can you hear me again now? Yep.

1:23:48SpeakerOkay. So basically what happens is you're trying to help somebody with that specific type of cancer, and I would say to you, the more you can push it, the more hardcore you can push it and the patient can take it, That's the only way to see if there's an effective dose, if it's actually going to knock it out. You're using what I call cannabis chemotherapy in a sense.

1:24:11SpeakerIt's like a radiation right on the spot with cannabinoids. So if you can get 3,000 milligrams into her or he in that direct contact, then that's what you want to do to find out if it's actually helping. Who cares what the holding dose is or the minimum dose? The dose is to kill it. That's what the dose is. So you've got to find the right delivery method to absorb that.

1:24:37SpeakerSo that's why I use the linguals, transdermals, and capsules. In this case, depositories or direct contact. Do it all. Try to get as saturated as possible because I think they're going to discover down the road an S1 receptor or a saturation receptor where that receptor works in conjunction with a certain saturation point of cannabinoids. And most of the limitations is cost. You know, people look at it and go, okay, well, I've got to get how many milligrams a day, 400, 1,000?

1:25:07SpeakerAnd so I use a titration plan, and that's starting slowly. So you start with 20 milligrams a day, then 40, then 80, and you build up a breakfast, lunch, dinner, bedtime routine using the full spectrum. So that way you uptake THCA in the morning and use high CBDA in the afternoon to use your activated at night. And you use your CBN towards the end of the evening at bedtime.

1:25:32SpeakerSo you get a, that's what I'm building is programs for people and allowing them to work at their own pace and if you use cannabis or not. But the answer to that is you don't know if there's a limit for each person. The idea here is how much can they take and get as much into that system as possible to see if cannabis is going to be effective.

1:25:56SpeakerNot every single patient You know, let's say tumors reverse or we've got, you know, the growth has stopped or you're in remission. That doesn't happen with every single patient. And we don't have a magical test right now where you walk up and you put your eye to it or you take blood and you're like, okay, I've done an enzyme test, I've done an endocannabinoid receptor test, and you're deficient in this, you need to supplement this, this, and this, and we don't have that yet.

1:26:24SpeakerSo you're just throwing it all. And if that patient can take 3,000 milligrams, do it. Do it for 30 days straight. And if after 30 days you've thrown the kitchen sink and you're not getting any results, then your answer is cannabis isn't for that patient. It's not going to help. Will it better their lives? Absolutely. Maybe they need 200, 300 milligrams a day, not 3,000. Because at 3,000 a day for 30 days, it's not killing cancer or stopping tumors.

1:26:55SpeakerAnd there's You know, in my opinion, after 1,000 a day for 30, 40, 50 days straight without results would lead me to the conclusion to not

1:27:07SpeakerWell, Tony, that's kind of what weirds me about about myself is I'm like, well, what the fuck is wrong with me? Why I can take a thousand mils in a sitting and it's not a thousand mystery mils. It's the clear. It's raw. It's not a syringe that's, you know, only testing 400 milligrams in out of a thousand like the black syringes that they're basically already 50 percent mystery component.

1:27:33SpeakerThat's kind of why I was like, well look, if there's zero CBN present, Thank you for watching.

1:28:05SpeakerIf I can and I feel great and like I work all night after that, like I'll take one at midnight and then it's 4 a.m. and I'm like, wait a minute, I thought I was supposed to get knocked the fuck out and all I feel like doing is being creative. I have some disorder that is consuming the shit out of it because I'm not getting any psychoactive effects.

1:28:28SpeakerTony, you're muted now. Oh yeah, shit. Okay, so... If you were my patient, I would tell you to stop eating it because you just said it. You just said they pass and you go to sleep. Now, you might be one of those patients, 30% of them are out there that I've met, where you haven't probably had the enzyme test to find out if you're one of them.

1:28:52SpeakerBut what's happening is you answered your own question. You're eating it. So if you're still in a syringe... And you're not putting it into an encapsulated pill that's actually coded to get deep into your digestive system. It's now a food. So now your real estate, instead of being very, very small and concise, is now being spread out like a food. So your enzymes and your metabolism is treating it like a food.

1:29:16SpeakerSo now you're going to eat it, it's going to go through your liver, and you're wasting half of your medicine by eating it. So by smoking it, Or by doing it as a transdermal or putting it into a sublingual that can absorb directly into the blood, then that's a different method. So if you're eating a thousand milligrams of your own medicine, come up with a different method to get it into your body to where you actually get an effective dose.

1:29:40SpeakerWell, that's been this week. That's been this week. Basically, I was like, well, you know what? Give it a shot. Instead of just eating the little bit and kind of not paying attention, let's actually see some effects. So that's when I started going. So I got to a point where I'm like, nobody can afford this. Now I'm going to have to reinvent seeing how much of a psychoactive effect I can get out of it by modifying it through the other methods like sublinguals.

1:30:08SpeakerBasically, I made sublinguals, and then I stopped. For a long while, because I wanted to balance out the patient population so that I knew I was in the no side effects realm, so that if I started getting any side effects, I knew what it came from. So that's kind of where I hit that point where I'm like, is it being used correctly by the body? Because I can dab and I'll never really get high.

1:30:28SpeakerI never get high with the amount of dabbing. Mark said it best, though. Mark said it best, though, and we've said it on hashtags all the time. You're talking about the estombal effect, right? You're supposed to be making music with medicine and you're still playing bass notes.

1:30:45SpeakerWell, that's kind of where we get these hypocrisies. You've got people who can take a small dab of THC distillate and get destroyed. I can dab it and I'm like, that's strong, but I'll feel neutral in 10 minutes. So my body is completely, any kind of high I get, in 10 minutes it's over. My body is using it. That's why I was like, well, let's see if I get more bang for buck from eating it.

1:31:09SpeakerNow, for that 1,000 milligrams, I can definitely tell the difference between that and 500. I do feel way better at 1,000. That's kind of why I'm like, if I go to 2,000 and I feel even more better, basically I was worried it was getting wasted as a vitamin, like a vitamin. So you're correct. That was my concern. Are people consuming something and wasting their money? Should I now master the art of 1,000% bang for buck?

1:31:37SpeakerMaster the art of master the art. Yeah, what I keep saying is master the art of playing the whole guitar instead of one note, instead of one string. You're focused so hard on, let me try to get a thousand milligrams into the system, but Mark said it exactly perfect. It's all of it, so. Yeah, but you're not answering, you didn't answer my question, Tony. Somebody says I take a product and I cannot take more than 50 milligrams.

1:32:08SpeakerA little bit of, say, two, four, eight milligrams of sublingual, getting a little bit of that digestion. Yeah, I can't.

1:32:20BubblemanWhat's that, Tony?

1:32:24BubblemanTony's cutting out on us a little bit. Now he's back.

1:32:28SpeakerOh, no, I lost you there. Yeah, no. Yeah, I'm one of those people. I can't eat 50 milligrams, but I bet I could have...

1:32:39SpeakerAnd keep dabbing and dabbing doesn't matter. What matters is the effect of a response. So for me, I don't look at like, okay, did I feel it? Did I get high? The whole point is to get that in your body in a trifecta or in four ways at the same time. Little bits of singing throughout the day.

1:33:06SpeakerAll of these are points. When we're talking about cancer specifically, then just focusing on one method. So when you're talking about that cancer patient, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about getting that person as much as you can on direct, which is with that transdermal, and then a little bit in digestion, and also as a sublingual, getting all three of those going at the same time.

1:33:30SpeakerYou're going to get the best possible chance of getting Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:34:04SpeakerOpposite ways, Angie on it, I'd go 3,000 milligrams as hardcore as I can because then you know something's working. So that's why some people start slow because one, it's a budget thing, and two, they have to find what's actually going to work. So that first month is really important. You're saying, okay, let me get 40 a day, 80 a day, 160 in a day using three or four different delivery methods.

1:34:30SpeakerAnd then once you start hitting like 400 milligrams, And if you're hitting 400 milligrams a day for 30 days, not seeing anything whatsoever, any kind of progress, then it's a concern that maybe you shouldn't go 1,000. And it's one of those moments in time where you make a decision where you think, okay, this is helping my life. It's helping better my life. I'm not using any narcotics.

1:34:53SpeakerI'm feeling good.

1:35:02SpeakerThese are all factors, so like when I hear 3,000, you've got to be sure that it's actually, you know, you've got results. It's really healthy, so that way you have some evidence, you have some data. You know, 3,000 is a lot. You asked what the limit was. There's no limit if you know it's working and you need to kill something. If you don't know it's working, then I would say your floor would be around 400 milligrams a day.

1:35:32SpeakerOnce you get 400 milligrams a day for 30 days, that's, in my opinion, is starting to get into an effective dose towards tumors and cancers.

1:35:45BubblemanHey, welcome Todd and Darren and Allison and Rick. That's a whole crew there that all showed up in the last little bit. Greetings, everybody. Greetings from Amsterdam. Yes, greetings from Amsterdam. Sorry no Sam today. Dude, that's cool. You got what, the Dalai Lama and like, who's that, like Mike Tyson or something?

1:36:14BubblemanI see him on your wall. Biggie. The Dalai Lama hanging out with those guys, I like it.

1:36:25ToddYes.

1:36:29BubblemanMy mama's into the hippity hoppity. Hey, welcome, Allison. Are you with us?

1:36:35BubblemanI see your camera's off. I know. She made it in at one point in time.

1:36:43AllisonOh, ding.

1:36:51BubblemanAnytime. Sure, dude.

1:36:55BubblemanSo, Todd...

1:36:58SpeakerHey man, I just woke up and found this really groovy award outside my door. You won an award? It's Canadian even. It's from the 2015 Alberta Film and Television Awards. We won Best Documentary over 30 Minutes. Nice. I just got this today.

1:37:14EtienneHold on, Todd. Congratulations, man. Well deserved. I've never got a film award in my life.

1:37:20SpeakerAnd that just showed up at your door. That's what I went and got. Yeah, I just opened the box. It came in a groovy box and everything. That's awesome. Good job. Feel good. It's a feel good moment there. Yeah. Hey, everybody, go watch The Culture High on Netflix. It's now going to be worldwide. We did so well in the 70 countries they released us in that they contacted us and told us that they're going to put it in all of Russia, all of Africa, and all of Asia, and they're going to do the translation.

1:37:46SpeakerSo currently in about 15 languages in 70 countries, and I'm not even sure how long the list will be quite soon.

1:37:53BubblemanI can watch it on Netflix. When are we going to do The Culture High, Church?

1:38:01BubblemanAdam Scorgi.

1:38:02SpeakerThis is the culture. This is the culture. We can have Adam on any time. I'll talk to him. He's on another film project right now doing a movie about the enforcers in hockey. The guys that go and beat you up if you pick on their prize hockey members, hockey players. Adam Scorgi. Adam Scorgi. His name is Adam Scorgi, correct? Correct. Yeah, Adam is the principal producer of both the Culture High and the first one, The Union.

1:38:33SpeakerHe's the guy that you saw in The Union narrating the whole way through. In the Culture High, you don't see him anymore, but you hear his voice the whole way through. I worked for his dad at a stripper bar in Kelowna where he used to bartend when he was 16 years old. And I worked for his dad. I know Adam very well. His dad is one of the most first-class fucking guys on the planet.

1:38:56SpeakerHe passed on, but what a good guy. And Adam as well. He is a wicked dude. Awesome. Good for you, Todd. Good award. And what a wicked movie, too. That documentary is good stuff. Yeah, it's awesome. You know, it's nice to hear you say that. Adam is a great guy, and he was the one, and Brett Harvey, the principal filmmaker, came to Adam at that club you used to work at, and that's where they proposed putting the union together, because as you guys know up there, the union is the slang term for the growers.

1:39:29SpeakerDown here in America, nobody understands what the union is, but in Canada, it's really your term, your cloak term. Yes, yes, exactly. And people that are part of the union, you don't have to be a member. There's not members. It's just this is what we do. And everybody doing it properly has a certain level of respect to keep everything the same price, the same type of shit, not letting some things out but sharing other things.

1:39:57SpeakerAnd just a common courtesy among all of them. And some of the guys that were in that documentary that are Going to school, they got busted that little, I think it was, there's a couple guys in there they're interviewing and saying how they would go to, instead of going to college and shit, they'd go do this because they'd make this much money at it. And Adam, he was in the bar bartending and you knew exactly he was coming in with a roll of bills like this out of their pocket and he was putting a credit card on the counter to say, yeah, run me a tab and instead, like, you know exactly what everybody was doing and that sort of thing, right?

1:40:33SpeakerAnd Adam, he, uh... Well, that was the joke. You know, the joke was all these kids from high school that he went to school with were coming in with wads of cash, and he'd always ask, what is, you know, Johnny doing? And they'd say, oh, Johnny's in the union. And his question was, what union is that? I need to change jobs. And they're like, oh, he grows.

1:40:52SpeakerAnd... That's what caused him to take the interest. You know, they thought they were going to do really an indifferent documentary about the union back in the day because those guys didn't smoke. But they just took an honest journalistic approach to the subject matter and it changed their view on cannabis. They went and interviewed the sitting mayor of Vancouver who gave him a very positive interview about the future of cannabis.

1:41:17SpeakerYeah, yeah, right on. Hey, can I take off topic here for a short minute? Four years ago, I got in contact with two people that I'd never met before or talked to, and that's these two right here, my brother and sister. I was adopted. And last Wednesday, I picked them up at the airport, and Mark filmed us having the reunion that we've never had before. This is my sister, Kiera, and my brother, Ryan, from Biloxi, Mississippi.

1:41:49EtienneCongratulations, y'all. Thank you.

1:41:52SpeakerAnd, you know, it's been an incredible experience, but what I really want to touch on the topic is how hard it is for people to get their prescriptions. And stuff like that where it's so easy for other people to get it and in other places. And one thing my sister has a problem of doing is getting her prescription down there. And maybe you could explain a little bit of the process of what you've got to go through of what you have to go through.

1:42:21AllisonOkay, in order for me to get my prescription, it's medicinally legal in Mississippi. But it's damn near impossible to get the prescription. What I would have to do is go to my general practitioner. Get him to release his medical records on me and let him give me a recommendation saying that I would be a good candidate for my back problems. I've had three back surgeries. And then I would have to go to my orthopedic neurologist and get him to release my records there stating that I would be a good candidate.

1:42:56AllisonThen I have to take all that information up to our state capitol, to the University Medical Center, And then I have to see their doctors. And if they agree that I would be a good medical patient, then they would sign off. And I would have to do that every single month to go up to our state capital to get my medicine. And it's usually terminal patients only that get the stuff.

1:43:23AllisonIt's normally not for pain. It's normally for really terminal situations. And, um,

1:43:32EtienneIn what way is your medicine? Is it in flower form?

1:43:38SpeakerYou just get the buds, right?

1:43:40AllisonYeah, they give us the buds and pre-rolled joints.

1:43:45SpeakerAnd how are the pre-rolled joints in the buds? Is there a comparison? Are the joints kind of shittier?

1:43:51AllisonYeah, the joints are shitty. The weed is actually pretty cool. If you look it up, Mississippi, their university actually grows some of the best medicinal in the U.S. You know, at the time, they were all about research and everything, but they wouldn't release it to the public. It was just strictly for research that they would grow the stuff.

1:44:17AllisonAnd the weed is decent quality, but it's so hard to get a hold of that we really don't have much to compare it to.

1:44:26SpeakerI'm a little confused. L.B. Musica is one of my best friends. She gets marijuana from the University of Mississippi. She's been getting it since the 80s. She was the first woman to receive it. And from what I understand, there's only two people in the country, her and Herman Rosenfield, that receive anything from the University of Mississippi. The Compassionate Investigational New Drug Program has been killing off its...

1:44:50SpeakerYou know, the people that have been in it now for years, so to speak, slowly, you know, new applicants. And from what I know, nobody's getting that marijuana right now other than Albie and Irvin there. And it's in cans, metal cans, from the Research Triangle Institute who rolls it up and distributes them. What cannabis, did you say you're getting through the Mississippi marijuana program that you think comes from the...

1:45:19SpeakerShe personally doesn't receive any medicinally from them. But that's where you've got some from other people that claim it comes from that sort of thing. Okay, no, they're not getting it from Mississippi, I don't think. The only two people that are are LV and Irvin, and I've got a lot of pictures of that stuff. The stuff is horrible, honestly, and they have production dates that go back, in some cases, five years.

1:45:46SpeakerThey'll grow this stuff in 2009 and ship it to her in 2012, almost like they're trying to prove the point that cannabis won't work as medicine.

1:45:57Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's swag. It's actually most of that cannabis that's grown at Ole Miss is for NIDA Schedule 1 licenses to, again, not prove the benefit of cannabis, but to prove that it's addictive and harmful.

1:46:12SpeakerWell, I have high-resolution photos of what they actually send to LV, and I'll post them to Hashtag so everybody can look at them.

1:46:19EtienneYeah, I'm originally from New Orleans in the front of the South, and cannabis access has been really bad, and That's why I'm in California. And the government cannabis that I've seen grown, I'm sorry, sister, is not the best cannabis they thought it was. Even years ago, when Dr. Alsoli and them went to the ICRS, they went and visited with Debbie and other of my constituents, and they saw the Cannabible and they thought it was a joke.

1:46:51EtienneWe had to explain to them The quality medicine that's being grown today in Colorado, California, and Oregon, and Washington, with that stuff that's being grown down at Ole Miss, they recently reported

1:47:17Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us.

1:47:38Dr Mark ScialdoneYou should see Ole Miss. That's mold growing on that weed.

1:47:42SpeakerCan I just point something out, though, guys?

1:47:44Dr Mark ScialdoneThe cannabinoids that we identified weren't made by the plant.

1:47:47SpeakerThey're made by bugs on the plant. I want to point something out. There's a huge difference between the cultivators they are cultivating, all the different strains they're holding down there, and what they're releasing. What's getting grown there, in my opinion, is probably pretty good, because cannabis is great everywhere. It's just that they're handling it, and if they are literally taking pot from 2009 harvest and finally getting around to putting it into cans for LV in 2012, that's Basically, there's a little lack of caring about the quality of the product.

1:48:25SpeakerI bet you they're growing some really great strains because they take strains. When they raided me in 97, I have zero doubt that they took examples of mine for research and sent it there. My urine made it to Osole's laboratory in 1998. There's no way my genetics did it in 97. So realiztically, I bet you they have some of the best cannabis in the world, and I bet you they're not releasing any of it because what's their motivation to?

1:48:57Dr Mark ScialdoneYou must have pissed them off, Todd.

1:49:00SpeakerOh yeah, it's all my fault. Everybody listening. Totally all my fault.

1:49:03Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, it's just a joke.

1:49:04SpeakerI blame Elvie, man. Elvie's been going around yelling at them. They gave her weed. She didn't like it. She's been giving them shit for 20 plus years.

1:49:13BubblemanHey, also, they grind those whole plants. When they say, Yeah, they do.

1:49:17EtienneYou get seeds, you get stalks, you get stems, you get all of it together. It's terrible. I mean, especially if you look at the bottom of the tin, you can see all that sifts through that. But, Darren, your sister, just going back to her. So is that the only way you're able to access it in Mississippi is in the receiving it in the joint form?

1:49:39SpeakerYou know what? You get it through your friends and stuff. You know, like everybody else who doesn't have a prescription and can't get it. Through a dispensary she does it like we all used to pretty much. Just buys a good old fashioned bag of weed. That's what's available. What's there is what's there. You don't get to shop around and everything like that. So when you find something that works for you and you like, the next time you go get some more, it's different and you can't really... And there's no choice.

1:50:09EtienneThere's no choice, right? It's usually just one whatever and that's it.

1:50:12SpeakerBut I'm moving... Well, I'm not moving up here. They're moving up here. And coming to live in B.C. because they love our province so much and love me so much because I'm their big brother. I love them. This is an unreal thing that happened with us. That's awesome. We got to see each other for the first time. It's on my D420 website there on Facebook. Mark did the video.

1:50:37SpeakerMark filmed the video. It was a total fluke because I was going there by myself and no one was coming with me because I was going to be real emotional today. Situation, I didn't really, didn't know what to expect. Like, I didn't know if I was going to be crying and stuff. I didn't want to have all that shit on film. My ego would get in the way.

1:50:54SpeakerAnd then Mark phoned me up and was like, hey, I'm in Richmond and I got my boat on the trailer and I'm like, hey, you know what? You think you can come and take a picture or film this? He's like, fuck yeah. He took, he went to a gas station because he couldn't find parking. And it's about fucking, probably almost a Quarter mile, half a mile away from the airport.

1:51:15SpeakerThen he ran to the fucking airport and came and seen me and did the video for me. And it's on my Darnell and George Massey, my old D420K1 that's, I haven't changed the name, but there's the reunion and it was incredible. I didn't cry. I didn't shed a tear, man. It blew my mind. I didn't actually. My sis, she cried. My bro, he didn't either. We stayed men.

1:51:37EtienneHow long were you estranged or how did you become estranged?

1:51:42SpeakerWell, I was, I put up for adoption when I was younger, when I was a baby, because my mom was single and couldn't give me the life that she wanted to give me, or that she thought I deserved. So she gave me up for adoption, and then she got, your guys' daughter in Egypt? Is that Egypt? Yeah, and my

1:52:04SpeakerShe met their dad in Egypt, Cairo, Egypt, because she was working as an ambassador. The secretary. Secretary. For the ambassador. For the ambassador of the embassy. She worked under who, what presidents?

1:52:17AllisonNixon and Johnson.

1:52:18SpeakerNixon and Johnson. She worked under those presidents during the Bay of Pigs, Missile War Crisis and stuff, doing the sonography. Tell her a little bit more about her. Go ahead.

1:52:28ToddOh, man. She's... She was good friends with Trudeau.

1:52:33SpeakerPierre Trudeau. We had little Justin Trudeau bounce on her lap when he was a baby boy.

1:52:38ToddShe was friends with Anwar Sadat, who was president of Egypt. She's been to the White House, dinner with the presidents. She helped organize the conference for banning the hunting of baby seals for their pelts. She's done a lot of pretty cool stuff in her life.

1:52:57SpeakerMartin Luther King.

1:52:58ToddYou know, she shook hands with Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, all, I mean, she was just a pretty cool chick.

1:53:06SpeakerYeah, that was my mom. Didn't even know that stuff. Found that out about four years ago. My wife had been searching and just find, you know, find all the channels of how to do it and all that sort of stuff and one day everything come to a head and I got some mail in the mail one day and said who my mom was and all that sort of stuff and what my nationality is and all that shit.

1:53:35SpeakerSo it was like, wow. And thanks to my wife, my honey Nicole, for doing that. Fuck yeah, she brought us together. I phoned these guys up and I was like, hey, I don't really know how to say this, but I think I'm your brother. And Ryan was like, what?

1:53:54ToddI was like, holy, I was like, Charles, because Charles was his actual, Brian Charles was his actual given name. And then he said, well, that was my name, but when I got adopted, they changed it. And I was like, well, hold on, man, because I've got something cool to say. I'm actually at Sister's house. So I ran into the house and told her that she needed to go ahead and sit down because I know the way she is.

1:54:21ToddAnd I put Darren on speakerphone and I had him tell both of us all over again. And thank God she was sitting down because otherwise she probably would have fainted and just got hurt or something. But it has been the most amazing journey these last four years, you know, getting to know each other and talking and then

1:54:42SpeakerDoing the internet stuff like this, video and stuff.

1:54:45ToddAnd then when Wednesday came and we actually got to see each other, it was just a roller coaster of emotions that were just the biggest high of my entire life. Yeah. It was the best feeling of just euphoria to the extreme. It was... Yeah. It took everything for me not to cry. Again, because, you know, my ego just like Darren's ego. But...

1:55:09EtienneSo Darren, were you born stateside or were you born in Canada?

1:55:13SpeakerBorn in Canada, up in Prince George, yeah.

1:55:18EtienneAnd the others, y'all were born down south?

1:55:21AllisonI was born in Mississippi, Ryan was born in Ottawa.

1:55:26SpeakerThey're moving here though, that's it.

1:55:31EtienneCongratulations, that's a wonderful story. Blue dots spinning out in the world that y'all were able to find each other, that's fucking awesome.

1:55:39SpeakerAnd you know, Mark said a really good statement when we all got together and were having a draft from the airport, that out of this whole cesspool of the world, this whole fucking cesspool of shitheads compared to good people is very outnumbering. We found each other and none of us are the shitheads that we don't need to flake. We just click like that and we're good people.

1:56:11SpeakerThey're good people. We're not all fucked up. It's awesome. We really lucked out, all of us.

1:56:19BubblemanAwesome, guys. Well, fucking glad to have you in church and thanks for sharing your story. That's awesome.

1:56:25SpeakerThanks for having us and letting us, brother. Thanks for being there to film it, too. My wife was just crying about it, man. It was great. Perfect.

1:56:33BubblemanNice. Yeah, it was a good moment in time for certain.

1:56:37SpeakerDefinitely a feel-good moment.

1:56:43BubblemanOh, you know what? I wanted to shout out Subcool. I do believe it's his birthday today, and I've been friends with him. Yeah, do a bong rip. Absolutely do a bong rip for Subcool, everyone. If it wasn't yesterday, it's today. So I wanted to shout out him, and I invited him in earlier, but it was a little last minute, so he said he'd make a point on coming in maybe next week and talking a little bit about, I don't know, his genetics or growing or whatever you guys want to hear from Sub, so he said that he would do that.

1:57:12BubblemanHappy birthday, brother. I hope you're having a good one. I did see some great pictures of him and Ed Rosenthal just getting baked yesterday at an event. It was pretty classic. You can check him out on Instagram, Subcoolseeds. Happy birthday to the subman. It's been a long time since I've known that guy. 10 to 15 years anyway. It's neat how fast time goes as you're getting older.

1:57:41BubblemanYou posted the Ole Miss pics in Hash Church, Todd?

1:57:45SpeakerI did, actually. I did.

1:57:47Dr Mark ScialdoneLooks like lawn clippings, doesn't it? It just looked like lawn clippings.

1:57:52SpeakerIt's horrible. It's horrible. But you know what's more horrible is look at the date. Now you'll see that it has a manufacture date January of 2009. How many years did they give it to her after? Hold on. I'll look at the label. I didn't put her label up because it's… I've seen her with stuff 10 years after the fact. Come on. No, no, it's not that. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

1:58:17SpeakerI'll tell you, I'll tell you. Wait a minute.

1:58:18EtienneI got the label right here.

1:58:19SpeakerWhen I was traveling... 14, dude. 131.14. Manufactured date, January 2009. Literally, the prescription on the can is 131.14.

1:58:29Dr Mark ScialdoneSo that's a real... 131.14, so right at the start of the year. I'm telling you, if all of those high-time samples molded in a week... Those things have got to be more.

1:58:40SpeakerNo, no, that's storage. You can't say that. Pot can sit around for a while. You know, the best cannabis, according to Clark, is between three months and nine months, because after nine months, the cannabinoids start to organically decompose pretty much, but the cannabis gets rid of the chlorophyll, so it's the smoothest in those six months after the first three months, if you care.

1:59:01EtienneThere's a Dutch coffee shop. There's a Dutch coffee shop that would sell 100-day-old buds back in the day.

1:59:09SpeakerYeah, properly cured cannabis. Yeah.

1:59:12BubblemanHey, welcome, Allison. Do you have your everything working now? I do see that you're muted, but I see you. Does anyone else see her, or is it just a picture? Oh, she's gone. What can we do? I met Allison, well I guess I've met Allison on a few occasions. Hopefully she'll be able to come in and get her situation fixed and she can talk a little bit about what she's been doing with the edibles.

1:59:36BubblemanAnd she goes to all the events down south, so she's, I was at an event with her recently with Horatio as well, here in Vancouver, which was what, was it called Cannabis Economy, Horatio, does that sound right? Yeah, it was the Cannabis Economy Conference. Yeah.

1:59:54SpeakerBack in September.

1:59:57BubblemanI liked it. It was different. It wasn't the same old, same old. It felt like you were actually getting stuff done, which is, you know, definitely kind of where we're at at this point in time. It's about getting stuff done now. It's not just about just talking about things, but actually, you know, executing the ideas that are cast into the audio. Do you have anything you wanted to cover?

2:00:23BubblemanOh, there she's back again. Back again, coming and going, coming and going. I like the, what is that, a football shirt that you put on there, ATN?

2:00:36EtienneNice. Yes, Saints game's on, so I'm watching the Saints game. I also moderate a Saints website, so, yeah. Those people from Biloxi there, I'm representing and watching.

2:00:47BubblemanNice.

2:00:50EtienneThat's awesome.

2:00:54EtienneSo what are you smoking on today there, Mr. Bubble Man? What have you squished out lately?

2:00:59BubblemanWell, you know what? I got a beautiful care package from Tony of all these lovely terpenes. And so, you know, there's only 10 drops in each vial, and they're very, very valuable in the sense of priceless, really. You just don't want to mess with them, considering how much material and beautiful, beautiful material that he takes to make it. I've been adding a drop of this and a drop of that to the rosin, kind of trying to create this sort of slurry effect that Tony had going on, but what I noticed was that my rosin is so damn stable that it just absorbs the turps and then turns back to glass.

2:01:37BubblemanSo I have both Lindsay OGs, which you can see right here. And the one on the left, the smaller one, is Jack Frost Terps, and the bigger one, which is a little bit of a lighter color, is Sour Diesel Terps. And I gotta say, there's just something that's exciting about being able to mix and match and play around, and I love the way the rosin is, and how I'm putting it on as well, as I'm not really doing this like drop it Drop it onto hard rosin and then try to like fold it inside of itself.

2:02:14BubblemanI find that it just squirts out the ends or eventually out onto the paper that you're pressing on. But I put it on the bottom plate of my D-nail press and I let it heat up to the point where the rosin was just liquid. And then I moved the top over and I dropped one drop of Terps right into the middle. And then I used a small little, this little quartz container And I just sort of stirred it around, you know, making sure that the terpenes went into the rosin, not just because I noticed before the first time Tony ever put terpsin into rosin or bubble hash, a lot of it was squeezing out the edge when it was pressed.

2:02:55BubblemanSo I wanted to avoid that and get it right into the product. So long answer for a simple question, Etienne. I'm puffing some beautiful terp rosin thanks to... Thanks to a variety of people for sharing and caring.

2:03:09EtienneDoes that have any specific names besides that?

2:03:15BubblemanNo, I haven't, you know, really, I don't know, maybe Tony has a name for it. I just, you know, I add the word terp to anything that gets, you know, the terp sift.

2:03:23EtienneSo you're making your own snozzberry is what you're saying.

2:03:27BubblemanTerp mouth, yeah, and once again, it's a thing that I wouldn't go and necessarily immediately promote As the thing to do for other people, I find it to be, this is more of research and development to see, you know, I've turned my nail way down right off the bat. I'm in the 500s now with any terpenes added to the product, especially because it's only a gram of product that's getting a single, you know, maybe less than a drop of terpenes.

2:03:54BubblemanIt would be more considered like a quarter or a half drop. It is a drop, but it's not what you would think of as a single drop. That's That's much more than what I've put into these. They're loud.

2:04:05EtienneIs it a standard dropper? What are you using?

2:04:08BubblemanNo, what I used is this little piece that you saw right here. So I tilt the jar over and I put this in there and I pull out. The turps are kind of trippy. They're definitely not like water and you can literally like pull them out and sometimes they'll stick and sometimes they won't stick. What I found is by putting a tiny little bit of hash on the end of this, it somehow gave The Terps something to grasp onto, and I could get a little droplet, but it was a very, very small droplet.

2:04:37BubblemanLike if you were using a dropper, that would be like literally, you know, four to five times more than what I'm getting out of it.

2:04:46EtienneThat's why I was trying to clarify dropper.

2:04:49BubblemanI didn't want to burn my nostrils, you know, where you're like, you smell it and it's like, oh, like. I kind of burnt my nostrils on it, but yet I did want to affect and see the modulation effects. It definitely was massive. Both of these hashes are the same, and if you smoked them with anyone for certain, they would say that those are not the same. So that's quite an interesting little aspect of it.

2:05:16BubblemanToo bad Tony's not here to talk about it. He's obviously had a lot more. Experience with playing with his terpene profiles. Oh I have the sour right here in fact.

2:05:28EtienneThe sour.

2:05:30BubblemanThe terps.

2:05:33BubblemanIt's a good thing. Everyone needs terps I'll tell you that much. There's definitely a huge future in cannabis with terpene profiles. And that's not going to go away. You're going to just see more and more people figuring out first, you know, extracting out the terpene profiles. I guess eventually, what I've noticed is the majority of the ways to actually extract fractions of terpenes involve chemicals, like pretty strong ones that, you know, are used in laboratories and whatnot and done by chemists.

2:06:09BubblemanIt would be cool if, just much like rosin, the way it's been available to the people, if there's some way in the future that, you know, people can access a high quality terpene easily and simply for themselves at least, because it's a pretty exciting component of cannabis. I mean, there's no doubt about the smell and those flavors are a big part of what we love about those effects.

2:06:34BubblemanIt would be strange if there was no flavor, no taste, No smell and you just got the same effects. I definitely would lose points for me on the experience that I get out of using cannabis.

2:06:53BubblemanEveryone's like I don't know what you're talking about. I have nothing to say. My phone just will not stop going off.

2:06:59SpeakerIt's because I'm typing to Dr. David Allen because I guess he can't, I don't know if he can make it in, but I started typing in our chat back to him and that's why your phone is buzzing.

2:07:09BubblemanOh, okay, yeah, no, I wish that he would come in. It would be great to hear from him. He's always got wonderful information. Heather also added some interesting information in there as well, so, oh, thank you. Glass of water, getting a little parched.

2:07:29BubblemanStay hydrated, people.

2:07:33BubblemanWell, downtime on Hash Church. I guess it's time to ask what David Allen is saying.

2:07:43BubblemanBall rip!

2:07:49EtienneI had somebody ask a question by a friend of mine here. Hold on one second.

2:08:04BubblemanSay no to fake terps. Stick with the real.

2:08:11EtienneSomebody was asking if anybody had any success story with mental health issues and cannabis.

2:08:15Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat the hell is a fake terp?

2:08:17EtienneAnd I just wanted to say that I myself, I'm a PTSD patient myself, so just wanted to clarify that I myself have had success with medical cannabis, and I know others here have. PTSD, of course, is more mental than it is physical, but it affects my physical being. I know others have as well here, so anybody else here have any mental health success stories with cannabis? They just want to say, hey, I'm a success story too.

2:08:49SpeakerPTSD as well. I've gone through it. There's a lot of stuff that's going on. I got... I had that and had pills and all that kind of stuff to take and those things were even worse. I believe how much worse. And I don't take any of them because, you know, I can give the mighty hash the props for doing it for sure because it takes a lot away from me.

2:09:21SpeakerIt takes those stresses out of even going into groups of people or anything like that, you know. I also have success.

2:09:33SpeakerNext.

2:09:37SpeakerOr is it a bong rip? Another fucking bong rip? Sure. Okay. Twist my arm. Well, like, I mean, H, and going into that mental health, that's kind of why I wanted to know more about what other types of disorders can take, can require high doses of cannabinoids that aren't necessarily a disease that you're trying to kill, but when is mental health, like, what is the source of insomnia, and what is the solution for people who you can't just hand a joint and they don't fall asleep because they've been chronic smokers their whole life and they still have insomnia?

2:10:14SpeakerAnd they smoke right through it. That is a kind of mental health that I look at. Like I said, I know I'm definitely... I think I messaged Bubble Man. I'm like, I'm happy. Let's start some shit and just bother people and laugh happy. And it doesn't happen at 250 milligrams. It's a breakthrough experience that happens at 1,000. And that's a mental health. Issue that I'm like, I can't spend, use this just to feel good, but I can see there's at least 100 people that are like, no, for the cost that it takes for you to feel good, that's how much cannabis it takes for me to feel jovial.

2:10:56SpeakerThat seems like, it seems mental health issues are the hardest to scientifically back up because they're so subjective that when you feel better about whatever's going on inside of you.

2:11:09EtienneAnd your medication and your diet and, you know, your synapses fire or misfirings and where they are, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, I, you know, this is, research still needs to happen, you know. I still deal with my issues. I still have my PTSD. I still have my depression. I still have my Gulf War Syndrome. I still have my nerve damage that causes me the shakes, you know.

2:11:32EtienneDoes it cure it? No. It helps me deal with it. It helps me go with it. But, of course, I have the tolerance level. You know, I'm like a bull because as we know, basic psychology, one of the things I learned is, you know, if you are a first person getting high and you get high the first 30 days, your cognitive level goes to its lowest cognitive level in the first 7 to 10 days.

2:11:57EtienneAfter that 7 to 10 days, it starts to taper up to your regular cognitive level after 30 days. So you can titrate to a cannabis or We know that if we just run one particular cannabis all the time, you just get used to it. You don't know why. It's because you've titrated to that cannabis. Also, depending on how you store it, that's why people go for a variety if they have the access to because we don't know why, but we do build up tolerances to a certain strain where we actually reach a certain level where we can't get high.

2:12:31EtienneI wish I could get as high as somebody who hasn't done a dab before, you know, but I've seen that effect as well. I've given a dab to somebody who hasn't smoked cannabis in a year and had them literally pass out on me and go into panics and have to deal with the complete opposite of the spectrum of somebody who has a titration level that understands where they're going.

2:12:56EtienneAnd so one of the things that we have to convey to patients is Start low. Don't just see just because it says, you know, 90 proof, you know, alcohol doesn't mean it's what you need now, you know. You have to find what works for you. And again, you and I can have the same condition, but what works for you doesn't work for me, so agreed. We barely have medical studies, much less mental health studies in combination with all these, you know, tropics that people are taking currently in conjunction of their, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:13:49EtienneWhere do we start? So that's why we started back in 2007. Let's at least figure out what's in it and start the process because once we have the wheel, the wheel will continue to roll. I don't have to necessarily have it. So we have that, but now look at all the questions we're asking every week here. We're asking what's in this? What's in this? Okay, well, we've advanced this one, Roslyn.

2:14:10EtienneWell, what's in this? What's in this? What's in the subpart? What's in the parchment that we're dealing with? We're being more subcritical of ourselves Thank you for joining us.

2:14:48EtienneWhat is THC and how much is in here? Oh, what's CBD and how much is in here? Oh, what's THC and CV and CVC and what's next? We've got hundreds of compounds to find and to isolate and to understand and how they have in all combination with each other. And that's the fascination is one combination can be the key to unlock you. The unfortunate reality is like Darren's You know, a sister there in Mississippi and others when I was just down in New Orleans last week don't have access to find that key.

2:15:23EtienneThey don't have access to a key, much less to find that key that may work for their condition. And it is completely subjective for you to find that. And it is unfortunately still a fucking crapshoot for you to guess and hopefully figure out, you know, what will actually work for you. And that's again why we try to stock as many varieties as we can so that you can hopefully find Assemblance to that key.

2:15:47EtienneAnd in the future, hopefully, we'll have a better understanding about what your key is because there's no asthma. There's no cancer bud. Everybody's, well, what's the one specific for my condition? And one of the biggest things and frustrating things I have to convey to patients all the time is there is no this cannabis yet. We don't understand it enough for this. It is still completely subjective. You have to still try it yourself to find what works for you.

2:16:16EtienneI don't like that. I don't want to be that conveyor. I want to be able to say with confidence, oh, this hash, this hash cures your asthma. This hash, but it doesn't. I can't say that. And it would be a lie and a bullshit, and I would be a snake oil salesman to say that. So I have to rely on science. I have to rely on that information, just as, unfortunately, you know, Horatio, we're just left with these philosophical questions.

2:16:43EtienneBut fortunately... We have these philosophical questions, and thank you, Bubble Man, for giving us an arena so that we can discuss these so that you out there watching us now and in the future watching us will be that researcher, will have that task, will have that understanding and say, hey, I need to understand what's this here. And you can start with an understanding because you know how many researchers are wondering, where should I research?

2:17:07EtienneWhere should I go? Right, Mark? What direction should I head down? But if you have an understanding of, oh, I want to study CB2 receptors, I want to study CB1 receptors for this, this, this, and this in relation to this, because you understand it through what we've been talking here, that gives you a head start and it gives our next generation a head start, you know. One of the things I've always thought is since I came through the war was that whole Native American belief is that, you know, What I do today I hope to change for tomorrow, but at the same time I hope that seven generations from now they will not know my pain, they will not know my suffering, they will not know my frustration.

2:17:46EtienneSo take the lead, people. Go out there. Be that researcher. Cut through that red tape. Be the cut and be the straight and narrow. Do what needs to be done so that we can finally understand all this fucking information that we are so lacking across the board that you need to know, that I need to know, That patient's died yesterday wondering what. Somebody's dying today for the same information.

2:18:10EtienneSo, please, you are our seeds. We are the soil. Please, go forth and spread that knowledge.

2:18:21Dr Mark ScialdoneGo forth and concentrate. I think we should make ATN the Pope.

2:18:27BubblemanThe Pope. Dude, what about the... Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

2:18:31EtienneI'm far from any type of Pope. No, no, no, no, no, no.

2:18:34BubblemanDidn't the Pope just like come out against legalization? Was this like a fake?

2:18:38EtienneYeah, what's up with that? The guy is so progressive in so many areas and then he's like, plant bad.

2:18:45BubblemanWow, I tripped out when I saw your mom just joined the chat. I was like, damn, my mom's here? That's not my mom, that's Jen Doe.

2:18:56SpeakerHi guys. That was a new email. I didn't realize I logged into that one.

2:19:03BubblemanYeah, it was pretty funny. I was like, I literally for a second thought that it was going to be my mother, because it would be, that was, my mother would do such a thing. She'd come into Hash Church, even though she spent about 25 to 30 years working for the Winnipeg police.

2:19:22BubblemanShe'd come.

2:19:22SpeakerI like it. I think I need to market that.

2:19:27SpeakerYour mom's hashed. There you go. Your mom's.

2:19:31EtienneYeah, you could. You could. I think you got one there. That's a pretty big one.

2:19:38SpeakerYou like that?

2:19:40EtienneWhat are you smoking on there, Miss Jen? Good to see you today.

2:19:44SpeakerSome of this hash that I did a couple weeks ago.

2:19:47EtienneLet's see. What does this hash have a name of?

2:19:53SpeakerIt is a mix of a Gorilla Glue 4x Shrome that I got when I was in Amsterdam. And then I mixed in some Mickey's Kush and some Professor Chaos from Homegrown Natural Wonders. So it's good. It's tasty. I tried to pass them out at last week's, but I made it like 20 minutes too late. So Mike West was the only one that was the loving participant of smoking some of my hash.

2:20:29BubblemanWelcome to Hash Church on this oh so beautiful Sunday. I guess it's still morning before noon. The nicest day it's been here in a long time. I am definitely putting my boat in the water and just going to go hang out under the sun. It's not going to be out for that long being as the winter is fastly approaching here. Fall in the Pacific Northwest comes quick.

2:20:52BubblemanIt's kind of like one day in September. It's just not summer anymore. Boom. It's cold. It's definitely not friendly to those Californians coming up. What's the temperature there? I don't know. It's probably like 12 or 15 degrees Celsius right now. So what is that like?

2:21:17EtienneCold?

2:21:19BubblemanYeah. 60? 65?

2:21:23EtienneLeaves are changing colors?

2:21:25BubblemanOh, yeah. Yeah. Not only the leaves, but even like the, you know, the in between pine trees and leaf trees, like cedars and stuff, they're all turning as well.

2:21:39EtienneHow are your outside girls doing?

2:21:41BubblemanMy outside girls are doing pretty good. They're probably going to have to come in sooner than later, bring them inside, put them in the tents, finish them off with a nice LED HPS combo. Hey, no pads in the house. Nomads. That's awesome. For those of you that don't know the Nomads, definitely go YouTube those guys. They've got some great songs. Their most recent one is, I wish I could remember the name of it because it's killer.

2:22:12BubblemanKiller, killer. Hilarious. Good to see you in the chat there, Nomads. I'm guessing that's Bird Eye.

2:22:20BubblemanHe's in the YouTube chat. I guess there's like 665 people in that YouTube chat right now. It's quite a few. They're definitely not all typing at once. It's a nice sort of after our one year anniversary quiet hash church that we're having here. I've never heard, usually we're trying to talk over one another, desperately cutting each other off and trying to get our words in. And today it's really like, I know I can stop talking right now, and literally no one would say anything for a minute.

2:22:50EtienneAnything?

2:22:53BubblemanDarn, I wish Allison could get on the phone. What's that, Chad?

2:22:58SpeakerI'm on.

2:23:02BubblemanOh, that was like a robot.

2:23:06SpeakerIt was Robotic Allison, I think. Was it? Darn.

2:23:15BubblemanIt is Robotic Allison.

2:23:17EtienneYour microphone is not good, dear. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

2:23:24SpeakerI don't know.

2:23:26EtienneIt sounds like Myth Othmore from the Peanuts.

2:23:33SpeakerHow do I fix it?

2:23:34EtienneI don't know. It just fixed itself and there you are. That sounded great.

2:23:38AllisonCan you hear my normal voice now?

2:23:41Dr Mark ScialdoneI think it's your Wi-Fi connection.

2:23:43SpeakerDude, I am as close to Wi-Fi as I can get. I'm trying. I haven't...

2:23:56Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's a Wi-Fi connection.

2:23:58BubblemanYeah, you're definitely not coming through. That's more than a glitch. Not a long cable like I did.

2:24:10BubblemanHere, let's start out with...

2:24:11AllisonI need to get a new provider.

2:24:13BubblemanOh, wait a minute. I muted you and then it came... Then you sounded perfect. I heard that perfect. Let me try that again.

2:24:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYou do need to get a new provider. Okay. It's the non-linearity of a bad Wi-Fi signal.

2:24:28BubblemanNothing worse than a bad Wi-Fi signal. Todd and I had a good conversation about this last week and he was just like, do you think that it would be cool if we just like sort of made sure that everyone comes into church, has a good Wi-Fi, has a good camera? I mean, these are not that expensive of concepts. We could probably work this out. I agreed with them.

2:24:51BubblemanIt would be amazing. It's tough, especially because it seems like all the people you want to invite as guests, always every one of them goes through a technical difficulty of working with Google Plus chat. So I don't know if that's maybe one of the problems. It seems to be a little tricky sometimes right at first. Send people the links. They're showing up to an empty room. I'm like, why aren't you coming in?

2:25:17BubblemanThey're like, I'm in. There's nobody here. All right. Well, I'm going to have a little sip of water, load up another bowl of the terp rosin.

2:25:30SpeakerTodd, I got a group question for you since you're so silent. Now, when it comes to like the You being a big fan of like the 12-week sativas, when it comes to bag appeal and you show those people those plants, like I showed somebody like a 12-week train wreck and a very medicinal strain and they were like, oh, this is different. It's like Aryan stuff. And I'm like, well, it's not rock bud.

2:25:59SpeakerI don't like, what do you want me to say? Like that's, when it comes to judging cannabis for, you know, Bag appeal. Is there something wrong with that art form compared to getting like the unique terpene profiles that come from sativas that can be like, sometimes they look like 50% red hairs, that kind of situation?

2:26:23BubblemanSorry Horatio, I just ended up getting, I was going to reply to someone in the chat here who is going on about the bust at Tony's Grow that was on Hash Church 38. The 400 pound gorilla is going to get ignored. United Cannabis was consultants in that grow. They left the grow one month before any of that happened so they weren't affected by it. Tony would have talked about it had he been in here gladly.

2:26:52BubblemanHe said he was going to talk about it if someone asked. And really, some people got affected for sure. It's unfortunate that it went down the way it did. I guess the people who United Cannabis was consulting for decided that they could do it all on their own. They kicked United Cannabis out. They continued down the road without the help of the people who were really doing it the correct way.

2:27:16BubblemanAnd I guess they found themselves getting their plants uprooted, which is terrible. I was definitely sorry to see it, but at the same time, United Cannabis hasn't been affected by it. Tony's working with Harborside. Tony's on a whole other project now, so he bounces back pretty quick with his projects. As you can see, he's... There you go. Yeah, I kind of read it as 400 pounds of Gorilla Glue, too, when he said the 400-pound Gorilla.

2:27:48BubblemanI do have some Gorilla Glue terpenes, which I should probably add to some rosin here in the near future. That might be essential.

2:27:58EtienneGot some Gorilla Glue rosin right here.

2:28:01BubblemanOh, look at that. Gorilla Glue.

2:28:03SpeakerI have Gorilla Glue flowers that I took down that are amazing. I love the way that that plant grows. It was like nothing but nugs and legs. It was great.

2:28:15BubblemanYeah, it definitely seems to be one for the hash makers.

2:28:22BubblemanHigh production strain.

2:28:24EtienneThis one auto-buttered, but it's still fucking tasty and delicious.

2:28:29BubblemanYou know, that's crazy. I haven't had anything butter, and I've got rosin that's been sitting here for a long time. I even used 8-year-old bubble hash, which is, you know, this stuff here. So this is eight years old, and it kind of has a nice little purple hue to it if it actually will grab. I don't think the camera wants to, though.

2:28:54EtienneIt barely does. About there, right there. Yeah, it's about there.

2:28:58BubblemanAnd then I pressed it, like, I don't know, it's got to be over a month ago now. I've just left it out, and that's just, like, what it came out as. It's this crazy red goop, super CBN, like, old fucking hash. Really tasty, though. No buttering. Like none of it has buttered.

2:29:18SpeakerWhat micron screen do you use to push it through? Because I've noticed a bit of a difference with the different screens and the buttering.

2:29:27BubblemanYeah, I'm using 25 exclusively.

2:29:31SpeakerYeah, I noticed when I'd press some through coffee filters, I would get the auto butter. I'm assuming the micron's on that's a little bit bigger. I tried a 50 micron screen. There was a small portion that did it, but not much. And then the 25s, I haven't had any problems with it. So, could be the screen they're using.

2:29:51BubblemanYeah, well, I think, you know, what Smash just said is accurate. It's the fresh frozen material. It's the fresh material. It's people that are squeezing fresh bud. You know, I'm squeezing cured hash. Like, literally dried Powder, powder dry hash, and then I just press that. And this stuff right here is really the stuff that I added the turps to is extremely stable. Let's see if I can turn my camera on there for a second.

2:30:32BubblemanLooks like a little Jolly Rancher almost.

2:30:37BubblemanThere we go.

2:30:41BubblemanVery tasty, very nice. And very stable for adding terps to it. You know, I was hoping on creating this sort of slurry sort of stuff that Tony was making, and it just kept absorbing it and then solidifying and glassifying. So it's interesting to see.

2:31:00SpeakerIs that what you posted the pictures of that I saw in the advanced browsing techniques?

2:31:05BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Yeah, some of those macro photos were off the chain.

2:31:12BubblemanI love the macro world of photography. Yeah, it's taught me so much about, you know, things that there's no real class for to learn about.

2:31:21EtienneHey, are you going to upgrade your camera to the 50 megapixel Canon that...

2:31:27BubblemanYou know, I don't know. If I don't get that one, I probably will get the next one. I find with these $3,000 to $4,000 body cameras that it's not sustainable to buy the newest one every single time. And my camera is still taking great shots. I love the idea of getting deeper into my crop. Todd and I had this conversation. You know, doubling into the crops is great.

2:31:53Bubbleman50 megapixels is huge. Maybe, but not right away.

2:32:02SpeakerDidn't you just get the Mark 3 like last year?

2:32:06BubblemanThis Mark 3 I have was a gift after mine got stolen at the Treating Yourself Fair in Toronto. Someone thought it would be a good idea to steal my camera.

2:32:17SpeakerThat was so horrible.

2:32:18BubblemanYeah, it was a crusher. I was bummed. I kind of was like, oh, I'm going to leave, and then I even did a video. I went back and I was like, I got to do a video to let everyone know what happened and whatnot.

2:32:31EtienneSo I did a video and I'm all super bummed out sitting there with Johnny B talking about how the camera got stolen.

2:32:37BubblemanAnd then literally within like a few days, the guy, Terry from Aurora, the LP, they just got their license actually. He was like, I want to buy you a camera. And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, I feel bad what happened. I want to get you a camera. I'm like, listen, dude. This is not a $400 or $500 camera. I was just kind of assuming he thought it was like, you know, a $400 or $500 camera and was going to like be the baller and buy it.

2:33:03BubblemanHe was like, no, I don't care what it costs, man. Just go get yourself a camera. And they ordered it and had it shipped right to my house. And it was definitely like $4,000 or $5,000, the camera that he shipped to my house. So mad shout out to that LP because He never asked me for anything in return. He never requested or even asked. In fact, originally he asked that I don't mention his name or his company name and eventually I was like, dude, people should know that you're kind of a pretty good dude.

2:33:34BubblemanThat was really like a super random act of kindness that I can't thank you for enough. I promised him that I would eventually photograph his plants when he got his license and he has gotten a license now so maybe one day I'll be able to return the favor and go take some High quality macro photographs, but yeah, definitely a big shout out to Terry from Aurora for being a pretty kind dude.

2:34:01BubblemanI haven't tried their medicine yet. I don't even know if they're producing right now. I would like to confirm in Canada that I was able to order from different LPs, register with different LPs without losing my MMAR license because that's key. I would order from LPs and I would do honest reviews. I would pay the full price of the herb so it really, you know, I felt what it felt like to turn that particular herb into hash or extract like a coconut oil or what not.

2:34:31BubblemanAnd then give an honest review and the effects of that particular herb because right now in Canada we have a real sort of problem in the sense that the activist world, the dispensary world is quite divided from the licensed producer world. And what I see is that both sides are wasting energy kind of not getting along when they could be potentially working together to, you know, direct the beast that is Health Canada that's the true, I guess I don't really want to say enemy, but, you know, definitely the opponent.

2:35:02BubblemanHealth Canada is the opponent. They've got the dispensaries and the LPs thinking that they're each other's opponents when really they're not. They're both necessary components of a platform that could and I hopefully will work here in Canada on a federal level, dispensaries and licensed producers. I definitely like the idea of them being able to promote one another and not bash on one another. Maybe I'll do a show on that one of these days, invite a couple of dispensary owners in locally from Canada and invite maybe an LP or two in or some representatives from a couple of the LPs.

2:35:41BubblemanAnd maybe even get some patients to talk about, you know, their honest opinion of both. Because really, like, what's a more important voice than the patients? And that's kind of a cool option that Canada has, both the dispensary and the licensed producers. Licensed producers are very important, say, for places that dispensaries don't exist. Not everyone lives in Vancouver, you know. There are some people that live in, you know, Manitoba or Quebec or they live in the north.

2:36:08BubblemanThere are no dispensaries there. Those people are able to order in the mail with their doctor's note from licensed producers.

2:36:17EtienneSo, I mean, that's a... Hey, congratulations on getting your permit.

2:36:22BubblemanYeah, you know, that's hilarious because those permits, that is an old picture from 2013 that I guess someone liked and it appeared in my Facebook post. Thank you for joining us.

2:37:04Bubbleman$12 a gram is expensive and although I myself may be able to afford it, it would still be very expensive as I smoke about a gram of resin a day, consume orally and smoke. I'd be looking at whatever the cost of 365 grams of extract a year. They're charging $12 a gram for herbs. Six to twelve, but the herb you want is twelve. And considering it would take about five to ten grams of that herb to potentially make a gram of this extract, because I'm not just making oil from a whole plant, I'm taking bubble from a specific micron and then extracting that into the rosin.

2:37:48BubblemanSo it's quite specific. You get a very small amount. I still haven't been able to grow my own resin plant. Just to consume, just for my own self. And I know Horatio's in the same boat. It's not that easy, Horatio.

2:38:05SpeakerI was just going to tell you, if you were lucky enough to be one of the patients that can access Full Melt Dry Sift, and that was your prescription, and you were in Canada, it would cost you $65,000 a year to have a gram a day.

2:38:23BubblemanOh, yeah. What's the price that you did that at?

2:38:26SpeakerThat's $180 a gram for the A grade that you'll see if you put it through Leafly. Where you can get it, that's the highest price. I've heard higher in the States, but again, that may be somebody on the other coast who really, really wants something and will pay the premium to have it Moved about. But I think one of the things the LPs have a problem with is dispensaries ship as well.

2:38:51SpeakerAnd Vancouver dispensaries started being the mail order system that really, really makes LPs useless because Canada Post delivers to both places, everywhere. So if somebody in Vancouver can ship out oil to the other coast, they can beat an LP hands down and LPs don't have the Congo. For instance, when it comes to profiles for patients. So I see how it's tough for them when they don't even have the strains people automatically necessarily want.

2:39:30SpeakerMarcus? Yes. I'm just thinking on what you were just saying. I don't want to bore the people that are not in Canada, but I like your idea of getting the LPs and the dispensaries or compassion clubs or whatever you want to call them on the same page and working together, but that's never going to happen with a system where the LPs are They're regulated in a very, very punitive manner by Health Canada and they are not even allowed to put a photograph of a cannabis plant on their website.

2:40:02SpeakerThey're not allowed to advertise. They're not allowed to do anything. The chances of them working with Clubs, whether it's for compassionate use or whether it's truly for diversion to recreational use is irrelevant. Whatever it is, I just don't see the two are ever going to be able to work together.

2:40:22BubblemanBut the clubs working with the, here's the bottom line you have to understand. We tell them what we want the rules to be. They make the rules. We don't like them. We get them to change them. It's what we do. It's what we've done. They never gave us these licenses. We took them. You have to understand that we'll continue to take until it's set up exactly how we need it to be.

2:40:45BubblemanThe LPs need to have the stringent rules that they have, not all of them, but a lot of them, because they're almost on a pharmaceutical level of production. They're producing on a whole different level. But the clubs are on a grassroots, they're in the front lines, and they can gather empirical data Thank you for joining us today.

2:41:35BubblemanClubs, which might not have, I mean, we have nutraceutical, we have pharmaceutical, and then we have even below that, which is just, you know, I guess what you would call recreational. So there's all sorts of different levels and tiers for this to fit into, and I just, I think if they work together, it would be a lot faster than if they worked against each other.

2:41:54EtienneYeah, I got to echo here, David, you should use your voice, you know, we didn't ask for anything, we went and took, you know, and in time they finally came around to us, so, you know, You're now educated, so, you know, it's not like you're not trying to, but, you know, are you using your voice in every way possible that you can?

2:42:14SpeakerYeah, I think the LPs, they risk their license if they are associated with something that's not legal. There's this clear defined, you know, there's a legal method in Canada and there's an illegal method. And although we've got certain cities going in a different direction and saying that, They're licensing their own dispensaries. They're going against what the federal government is saying. I'm not saying it's never going to happen.

2:42:39SpeakerWhat I'm saying is we're many, many years away from that because I can see an LP losing its license and that's going to totally tick the shareholders off if they suddenly can't produce and sell. So I just don't see this happening for a long, long time.

2:42:54BubblemanWell, I mean, it'll eventually happen for certain. That's a guarantee. It's just a matter of when. And then it's also looking at, you know, none of these clubs are licensed and they've been, you know, in business for decades. So it's quite something to see. What will happen? Will the cities, will Health Canada send the RCMP in to close dispensaries and further stabilize the LP's licensing and the fees and the high costs that they feel they have to pay to play that game?

2:43:29BubblemanOr will the dispensaries continue with a social disobedience that they have for, you know, damn near two decades now? With strong, strong people in their corner that are not just like, you know, they weren't born just yesterday. They're like deeply entrenched in this fight and they know their shit, so to speak. I welcome it. You know, I hope they do bring the RCMP in because it will only bring us all working together sooner because it won't overcome anything.

2:44:02BubblemanIt will only like... Get a push that is so strong and so hard, especially as we grow, we've got more and more people behind us now that were never there before. We were able to push these guys back up against the wall without the mainstream. Now the mainstream is jumping in thanks to these movies like Culture High and Sanjay Gupta going on CNN and all these different people jumping on the boat.

2:44:28BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:44:47BubblemanI think we just can't become complacent, you know, where they're like, oh, hey, you can get a license and sell weed, or you can get a license and grow weed, or continually fighting to get better laws set up and better policies set up to, you know, not handcuff us into a corner where it does an injustice to the end user, the patient, the recreational user, you know, whoever is getting the product.

2:45:15BubblemanThose people... They deserve better, and so I think that I welcome the fight.

2:45:22SpeakerI hear you, Marcus, and I do as well, and I think this is what I've learned under something of a historian, and I've tried to read as much as I can into the history of this product, but I think the relationship that could potentially exist between, let's say, a dispensary and an LP, the dispensary has nothing to lose. They're already... I'm involved in civil disobedience. They're already in that space.

2:45:52SpeakerWhereas the LPs are very tightly controlled. The whole system under which they operate is extremely punitive with no notice checks and they go through everything they do with a fine tooth comb on a regular basis and irregular basis as well. They just show up when they want to. And I think they have everything to lose by entering into this relationship. So I think As long as we work in that world, it's going to be tough for any LP to step out.

2:46:19SpeakerI mean, we've got, I think, 24 LPs approved in Canada.

2:46:25EtienneOne of the things that happened here in America, we were very bizarrely fortunate enough was to actually have Barry McCaffrey back in the day, right after 2015, go right after the doctors here in California, and they realized that they had to combine together and to sue, and they actually sued and won. For that right to have that patient confidentiality. So it's very key, at least we've found, that the doctors find themselves in a way that they had a voice and they were, fortunately for us, they were thrust into that light because due to how 215 was, it looked like they had to go after the doctors themselves.

2:47:10EtienneSo I'm surprised. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:47:34BubblemanAnd the Compassion Club in a sense does, I mean not all the dispensaries have something to lose, but I just think of the dispensary as the Compassion Club. They're the ones that have been doing it the longest. I remember when they were doing it with no one backing them up whatsoever and they were helping extremely, like basically terminally ill people. So many people passed away back in those early days of the club.

2:47:55BubblemanBefore it became, you know, the mocking, the mock was, oh, I'm getting a prescription for a headache or whatever. But the more we learned about cannabis, the more we learned that, I mean, we don't even need a prescription for a preventative medicine. We shouldn't have to have a prescription for something that is basically a benign herb. It isn't a pharmaceutical drug. It doesn't need to pass FDA.

2:48:18BubblemanIt's certified by Mother Nature. People have been using it for thousands of years, so it's just strange that if we just removed it from where it is and just said, wait, it doesn't belong here. It belongs somewhere else. It sure would relieve a lot of these different problems. Then you could just get to market with it. Yeah, go ahead. Sure, there's going to be regulations set up for something that's sold as a medicine, but for a recreational drug, I can't imagine why Canada won't move forward on allowing people, adults, you know, with adult...

2:48:52EtienneI think you should run for Prime Minister, Bubble Man. Fuck this bullshit. Fuck Harper, fuck that shit. You don't know the truth. Go out there, run for it, fucking do it. I don't know.

2:49:03BubblemanPolitics in Canada freaked me right out, and even recently I saw some, like, little blurb that said the Conservatives may take a majority government. When I read that, I was just like, oh my God, like, How can that be? How can everyone in the country be like, we've got to get rid of this guy. Oh right, they cheat. I forgot. Of course. The game is rigged.

2:49:27BubblemanOh well. What are you going to do?

2:49:32EtienneKeep on keeping on. Keep doing what we're doing.

2:49:34SpeakerSo David, in this election, which, I mean, because everyone's approached me, my wife took my driver's license and registered me to vote, which candidate, because I know everyone just sees everything through a marijuana lens, but which of the scenarios is the most realiztic for actual elections? Seeing a result, like one group I heard said we're going to decriminalize on day one. I'm like, okay, now that sounds like something that people could experience by December.

2:50:02SpeakerWe're going to legalize just sounds like, well, we're going to do nothing when we get in power and then we'll see how it goes and then we'll start taxing where we can and just whatever. Maybe it'll be three years before we legalize. Like nothing actually becomes of it. The usual politician, I say this and then once I get elected, I fuck off. Who's actually got a shot at doing something for us realiztically?

2:50:27SpeakerIn Canada, I think it's very interesting. I think I'm of the... Like a couple of people on here, I'm a veteran. I spent 23 years in uniform and I believe in the veterans. The veterans have got this ABC campaign up here called Anything But Conservative. So if you're in a riding that looks like the NDP will win, then you vote that way. If you've got a riding that's going to the Liberals will win, then you vote that way.

2:50:51SpeakerOr if you're in a riding where the Greens will win. I think my dream scenario would actually be a minority government which would enforce a coalition between the Liberals and the NDP. Either way round, either one being out front, and then we'll have Elizabeth May as Environment Minister. That would be a great combination. But I think they're all promising to do something. I think the NDP is slightly unsophisticated and naive.

2:51:16SpeakerThe Liberals sounds the best, but again, will they really do it? I don't trust politicians. They're all being paid by the same paymasters, so I've got some I've got some skepticism about what will actually happen and how quickly.

2:51:29BubblemanYeah, the last time I checked, all of their money comes off the same press.

2:51:36SpeakerI don't know how many of you guys have watched, I watched a great movie Friday night, I don't even know if you've seen it, the Academy Award winner for Best Documentary this year, Citizen Four, all about Edward Snowden, but although it was about what he revealed there and what's gone on, it's a fantastic movie, but it really made me think strong and hard about what's going on this and just how monitored we are and everything that's going on, what we're doing here right now with every cell phone, every Financial transaction you make, everything is being collected through metadata now and it's a pretty scary world out there.

2:52:15BubblemanYeah, you can definitely get paranoid about it. I have to admit I've never been affected by it in a detrimental way but I had a friend who had their ID stolen and lost money out of their bank account and like credit card debt and all this sort of nightmarish hell that it definitely happens to people. You've got to As you make things more and more connected, it seems to be there's always going to be this group of people that can take advantages of exploits, that can find those exploits and take advantage of them.

2:52:47BubblemanSo whether that's more scary when it's a government doing it or more scary when it's just a random 14-year-old kid doing it in the basement of his mom's house, I do not know. But it definitely has a fear component to it for certain.

2:53:02SpeakerWell, anytime you Google something and five minutes later you go on Facebook and I'm like, what the fuck are all these rosin presses between all the colors? I don't understand. And like the next day I'm like, air diffusers on Facebook? Really? They made a deal with Facebook? No way. And then I'm like, no, Google made a deal with Facebook and anything you Google gets pumped through Facebook.

2:53:24SpeakerHoly shit, I don't, I'm going to go on my Facebook and then, you know, somebody's going to, one day someone's going to walk by and go, really, penis pumps on your Facebook? And you're going to be like, holy shit, what the fuck just happened? I don't like the way it regurgitates information. You can't search for anything strange. It might come back up on a side panel two weeks later.

2:53:46BubblemanWell, it's a tough gig. You know, back in the day when I was younger, I was reading all sorts of wild, crazy books and I would get all into these different sort of conspiracies and I just got to the point where it was like, you know, I'll just focus on the things that I want to change, I'll try to do better, and I won't be too paranoid and worry about things that, you know, like secret cameras in the walls and whatnot.

2:54:12BubblemanBecause people are tripping out there right now about so many different things.

2:54:19EtienneWell, they're also keeping us divided on discussing so many different things and

2:54:25BubblemanBut yet they give us technology like this where we can get together and share in an open sort of platform of radical openness, sharing ideas. I don't know. I appreciate a lot of the technology, so I have a hard time being freaked out by it lately.

2:54:44EtienneWhy would you be without it right now?

2:54:46BubblemanAnd I have to say a huge part of my paranoia did not come from thinking that the world was run by reptilian aliens from a fourth dimension. But it was more based on the fact that real people in police uniforms could arrest me for wanting to basically practice growing and practice the use of this plant. That made me very paranoid, I have to admit. And once I got my MMAR license and I was suddenly like, you know, I don't really go flaunted and carry pounds through the airport and stuff.

2:55:21BubblemanLike some of my friends do. But I definitely like, I haven't ever been approached by it. No one's ever approached me and said, do you have a license? I want to know you're doing something right now. No one's ever come to my grow. It's never occurred. All that happened was that some person in Ottawa signed a pink piece of paper and sent it to me. And all of a sudden I was like, I'm legal.

2:55:43BubblemanAnd that was it. But the mindset that changed was so great. That I will never ever want to, like that truly is, it's this invisible cloud that hangs over you and no one should feel that. It's a really terrible thing to worry that you're going to be arrested, potentially have your home taken, have your kids taken, have this sort of experience that is just because you haven't had that piece of paper signed by a representative at Health Canada, but you could still, I mean I would very likely make the argument, and I would do it in court with doctors, This is a preventative medicine that we shouldn't need to have it prescribed, but by taking it daily, like essential amino acids, we can prevent illness.

2:56:26BubblemanWe should never have to fight years later once we're sick to use it to get better. That's just a given. But we should have access to this plant 100%, for sure, everyone, as much as they want and they need, to consume personally. It seems insane that we don't.

2:56:48Dr Mark ScialdoneDr. One of the symptoms that we always heard about cannabis use is it made you paranoid. The reason why it makes you paranoid is because you don't want to get in trouble. It's the laws that induce this symptom that they say you're going to have if you have cannabis use. You get paranoid. Change the laws and there will be no more paranoia, right? It's so true, dude.

2:57:15BubblemanI really have zero paranoia when it comes to cannabis now. And I used to. I mean, even just like I personally, I had 16 and a half pounds of cannabis that was from the Compassion Club. And someone had driven their car through the front door of the Compassion Club like a month prior or something, and Hillary was kind of like, it would be cool if you took some of these pounds home, like not all of them.

2:57:35BubblemanShe was splitting them up or whatever. She just didn't want them all sitting at the club, all her eggs in one basket. So I was like, yeah, I'll take some pounds home, no problem. And I ended up going through a roadblock and getting busted with those pounds. So it started a whole court case here in Canada, actually. I was Richardson versus Regina. You can always check that out on Google if you want to read about my case.

2:57:57BubblemanAnd yeah, 16 and a half pounds taken, six grand cash taken, and it was the beginning of a good thing, believe it or not. It was really kind of an obstacle that was put in front of me that I turned into an opportunity. It was how I really started the company Bubble Bags, because after getting caught doing that, I felt like maybe I should not drive around with carloads full of Full of cannabis anymore, so it was interesting how that all came to be.

2:58:32BubblemanParanoia will destroy you. Nobody likes paranoia. It's like the worst thing ever that you could do. They ought to write a song about that. Yeah, yeah, they did indeed write a song about that.

2:58:44Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, I said they ought to. Oh, they did already? You will.

2:58:51Dr Mark ScialdoneYou did write the Hash Church song. I did. I did write the Hash Church song. My favorite song about paranoia is David Crosby's anthem, Almost Cut My Hair, right?

2:59:02SpeakerYeah.

2:59:03Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's a song about paranoia. Just about having long hair, being paranoid just because that can identify you and you could be singled out at an airport just because you have long hair or dreadlocks.

2:59:17BubblemanOh yeah, it happened to me a bunch back in the day when I had both. It was definitely a good way. I'll tell you one thing. At Borders, man, to them, I must have just looked like I had a sign, like a big neon sign that said, I definitely have drugs. To them, right? Because I hate the term drugs, personally, when speaking about, in particular, cannabis. I know that it can replace a lot of drugs.

2:59:46BubblemanBut I think of drugs often as, from my own perspective, and I know it's not necessarily true for everyone, because there is good out there in the drug world, but it just seems like there's so much unnecessary bad in the pharmaceutical pills. It makes sense to stay away from it.

3:00:06Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, drugs aren't made by a plant, they're made by drug companies, approved by the Food and Drug Administration. We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here.

3:00:44BubblemanThis sort of prohibition world. They made it go underground. They like suddenly were like, you know, like you're a young kid and you just want to get some herb and it's like you got to like go ask the local like B&E specialist guy. Oh yeah, that guy does B&Es, but I think he sells weed too. So it's like what a strange place for a kid to get turned on to the beautiful world of cannabis through the world of crime.

3:01:06BubblemanIt's like, oh here, cannabis, let's just put you in with all these people that are breaking actual laws and doing actual crimes. We'll just make it seem like if you do this, you are also breaking laws and doing harm to society. I mean, look at the people that they put you in jail with, Todd. I'm sure you made some friends in jail, but there were some fucked up people in there that rightfully so potentially belonged there.

3:01:36BubblemanYou know what I mean?

3:01:37SpeakerYeah. I said that in an interview I did while I was in prison. A lot of the prison guards were astounded because they read the interview. And I was like, come on, really? I mean, no one in prison wants to be the guy that's a fucking idiot, of course. But you look around, there are a lot of fucking idiots. So you realize they're there. And, you know, it's a weird thing to say, but.

3:02:00SpeakerI'm glad we have prisons and I'm glad we have prison guards and I'm glad we have cops. I just wish that they didn't have to enforce stupid laws because there are a lot of people that do a lot of things that aren't good that should be stopped and should go to jail and all that is really relevant in society because there are a lot of fucking idiots.

3:02:20SpeakerSo it's just sad we're using... People with good intentions to enforce bad laws, which inevitably turns them into corrupt citizens themselves. Because look at prohibition and alcohol. I mean, was it three out of four federal agents were all corrupt at the time? So it was in, you know, and we're dealing with it now. You know, we got Google. It's not like the DEA can hide it or the cops can hide it.

3:02:42SpeakerThere's corruption all the way through the drug war. And this is one of the best reasons to end it in itself, the corruption that it creates.

3:02:51BubblemanYeah, no, agreed. I agree with everything you said there, 100%. Oh, and they're watching, so make sure we say hello to them.

3:03:00Dr Mark ScialdoneHello.

3:03:01BubblemanHello to them. Please change it up.

3:03:03Dr Mark ScialdoneHello to them. They watch. You know they watch.

3:03:09SpeakerI thought first no one would watch. 642 viewers. I thought they wouldn't watch because I'm like, oh, it's so boring. Then I think about what they do all day, and I'm like, man, listening to a wiretap is so dry. They're probably learning so much and are getting so turned on. They are becoming corrupt because they're not going to, some guys probably listening to this are like, I'm going to click the not investigate button and click subscribe and just put this on my personal phone from now on.

3:03:37SpeakerIf you actually listen to us that long as an investigation, it's kind of hard. I assume it would change people. Like how could you really say, yeah, you know what, we're going to bust this hash church ring once we figure out the connection between all of them and what they're shipping. We're coming down hard. Like how the fuck could you after 52 episodes of what we talk about?

3:03:57SpeakerIt's a lot easier to listen in to the mob. They're always up to something evil.

3:04:01BubblemanWell, I also prefer the transparency of Hash Church in the sense that, you know, a lot of people in the cannabis industry, I meet them all the time and they'll ask me about this person or that person and they'll often say, like in this past year for certain, that the thing they like about Hash Church is that sort of transparency, getting to know the people that are talking, getting an idea of where they're coming from and really a lot of the people in the industry aren't doing that and when you don't do that, Then people just create stories about you and they just fill in all the gaps for you and I can assure you that they are never correct and those stories are often damning and slanderous and potentially liable.

3:04:44BubblemanI see a lot in the cannabis industry in fact. It's too bad.

3:04:54Dr Mark ScialdoneIt just seems like a lot of wasted energy and a lot of wasted resources just when there's real problems to solve in the world today. And, you know, I don't want to keep drawing attention to the Pope's visit, but it doesn't want to make me want to go to church just because the Pope is here. But it's so good that you could see people in cities like Philadelphia and New York come out and not kill each other and actually, you know...

3:05:22Dr Mark ScialdoneTry to act like a responsible civilization and not just a bunch of greedy motherfuckers.

3:05:31BubblemanYeah, like I said, it goes back to that sort of good versus evil. The trippy thing about the Pope is I always thought the Pope for certain was evil disguised as good, leading the people astray. I have to admit, most of the shit that I've seen about this Pope, he seems like he's Justin Trudeau, the liberal. Everything you ask him, he's got an answer for it. Seems to say the right thing in relation to almost everything.

3:05:55BubblemanReally, only that condemning of legalization thing I saw recently was sort of surprising to me. But everything else, the dude seems to be like, I don't know, when people say the right thing to everything, it freaks me out.

3:06:08Dr Mark ScialdoneHe's the social media pope, you know, I mean, he's the pope.

3:06:11BubblemanSocial media pope!

3:06:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, work in social media, it's so cool that, you know, when you see him stroll into these events that are, You know, on every channel on television, you see everyone holding up their cell phones and getting, you know, the video of the Popemobile going by where they happen to be standing, and like they're going to watch that, like that was a great moment or something like that.

3:06:37Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's kind of like a fish concert without fish. Well, dude, forget about it.

3:06:42BubblemanIt's heavier than that because I saw people literally wheeling their sick children, and I'm talking sick children, in beds, not wheelchairs, with like IVs and shit, rolling those people out onto the side of the road just for a chance that the Pope might stop and bless them. And I thought, wow, that is like really crazy.

3:07:05Dr Mark ScialdoneThe rush that we all get from cannabis, a lot of people get from religious inspiration. If they want to do that and if that's how they want to practice their getting off because they really believe in their religion, all the power to them. On the other side of the coin, Mark, this goes back to what we were saying, how cannabis prohibition, again, it's what we, What we choose to do, again, is what we choose to do.

3:07:36Dr Mark ScialdoneThis is the freedom that we live in, or the free countries that we live in. We should be able to consume this just like we consume anything else, and there's no way a government should be telling you you can't. And especially if you're sick, they shouldn't just be telling you you can't. They should actually encourage use of any herb or natural remedy before you go to heavier pharmaceuticals.

3:08:01BubblemanYeah, and I don't think the Pope should be condemning it either unless he's got plans on touching like all 7 billion people with endocannabinoid systems and like upping their saturation levels. He should probably just let them be and, you know, consume on their own, at their own will.

3:08:18SpeakerAre you saying the Pope drips cannabis oil from his touch and that's what people don't see and we need to hook his hand up to a rosin press?

3:08:27BubblemanHe's probably got some holy anointing oils on his fingers that Chris Bennett could tell us more about if he wasn't in North Vancouver electric skateboarding through the forest right now.

3:08:38Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, they should take all the money that they have, the Catholic Church, and right a lot of the wrongs that they've done with their policy over the years. All right, so someone's asking me how I handle my lifestyle around my kids.

3:08:58BubblemanWhat do you tell them? What do they know? My kids know everything, and I don't have to tell them really anything because they're in it. They've helped water the plants the same way they would Help water their plants or I might help water their plants. It's just another plant to them. They are a little bit in the position of discomfort as that all their friends aren't educated and they're not really at a point in their life being 14 and 12.

3:09:28BubblemanMy other son is one so it's not an issue for him at all. They don't really feel that they want to be activists and they don't really feel that it's their mission to try and convince all their friends. And there is a little bit of fear on their part because their friends are mostly, or at least they assume they are mostly brainwashed by thinking that cannabis is just like an illegal drug like heroin or cocaine and that because they haven't necessarily grown up in a family that it's a normal thing and it's used as a medicine.

3:09:58BubblemanThey don't Thank you so much for joining us.

3:10:28BubblemanA society learning what they assume is a normal. It's a normal. Everyone knows that marijuana is a drug. Like, yeah, that's for like drug outs and burn outs and druggies or whatever. Because there's all these endless negative stereotypes that they see in the movies and in throughout, you know, I think that's where they pick up a lot of it. They pick it up through either a prohibition based family, parents that are very, very against it, or They pick it up from a lot of these movies because even the pro-cannabis movies have had some brutally terrible stereotypes in them.

3:11:05BubblemanThe ones that were like, yeah, we gotta watch that movie, dude, it's half-baked or whatever, and it's funny, it's hilarious, but at the same time there's all these So it would be nice to see a movie about cannabis where all the stereotypes were reversed and you saw how getting the munchies for someone with wasting syndrome was actually quite an inspiring thing to see or relieving ocular pressure in a person with glaucoma who was potentially going to lose their eyesight.

3:11:29BubblemanMaybe they were an elderly person and their grandchild was about to be born and it was really important for them to see that grandchild. Well, all of a sudden that perspective of red puffy eyes becomes a lot more positive than negative. And I think that we can do that with almost every single stereotype that has been used against cannabis when you invert it and you see, oh wow, these are all actually really positive things that we could use this plant for.

3:11:54BubblemanThat would be a great movie in my opinion. And still could have some comedy and some fun to it.

3:12:04SpeakerMarcus, Marcus, Dave again, just something I don't think the guys in the States have seen, but an image that's been trending on, or gone viral in the last sort of 48 hours, and the caption is, Pope Francis visits the sick, and there's a picture of him stood up in front of the joint session of Congress talking to all the Congress people. It's just a great image. I saw that.

3:12:29SpeakerThat is so cool.

3:12:31EtienneYeah, we were all unhealable.

3:12:34BubblemanYeah, he needs to heal the whole lot of them. Heal the whole lot of them. Yeah, that was a pretty classic picture, absolutely. It's amazing how things like popes and princesses and royalty, like we really are quite, kind of as a society or as a group of societies, quite obsessed with these things. They are a big part of a lot of people's belief systems and lives. It's interesting to see.

3:13:02BubblemanI definitely... Feel you, Mark, in the sense that I love the fact that, hey, if it's getting people out and they're all feeling positive, I think that's a great thing. I always do worry that somehow, some way that there's, you know, a bad agenda behind it that sort of the paranoid person would be like, it's the Illuminati, it's, you know, the shape-shifting reptilians. And just as a metaphor, there definitely is something to be said for the power of Thank you for joining us.

3:13:46BubblemanFor sure I've seen the good that it does. I just wonder if there's something to be said for millions of people unwittingly putting an energy out into the world that they don't know where it's going.

3:13:58Dr Mark ScialdoneIt seems like prayer... What fish does for me and what fish does for you, it replaces that spiritual element of elevating yourself to a common belief with people who have that belief with you and you're transported... To a different place, and when I was looking at these nuns who were rocking out to Sister Sledge on television in front of the Pope, you know, they were getting off just like you and I would be getting off, and you talk about the reptilian lizards, I mean, we have a song called The Lizards, right?

3:14:35Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd we come from the land of lizards, and the lizards, they have died, so I mean, it's kind of like what replaces religion in our life is My musical, spiritual experience that I have with fish and the music of New Orleans and blues music and so I think that people can get that rush in life, not necessarily from religion, organized religion. I know a lot of people who are very spiritual but they're not religious at all.

3:15:06Dr Mark ScialdoneThey reach other people by doing good deeds and by sharing flour and by sharing medicine. I mean, That's part of the spirituality of cannabis. That's just a wonderful thing.

3:15:20BubblemanYeah, there's something to be said for it, for sure. I think, yeah, someone said religion is control. There's definitely something to be said for that. I mean, you don't need religion to have spirituality, that's for sure. I used to have a really good friend that I hung out with a lot back in the day, and he was Hasidic. Jewish and very active in practicing the majority of the beliefs that the Hasidic Jews practice.

3:15:48BubblemanAnd it was always unique for me to be like, wow, so like, like all these different little things that I would just, and he was into, you know, discussing them. And in the end when I kind of was like, okay, so what are all these things helping you do? And it was kind of the age old, you know what, it just keeps me good. It keeps me positive.

3:16:06BubblemanIt keeps me away from that flip side of like the classic, you know, married father of two that's like out getting prostes and snorting coke and doing all the shit that he shouldn't be doing. This particular friend used this belief system and his, you know, it was his People, he was a Hasidic Jew living in Brooklyn, that he felt that it was, he was able to take it and make it a good.

3:16:32BubblemanAnd so I was like, well, you know, I've known him for some years and I thought, I see it being good in your life. I see that you have a practice and it keeps you sort of like in line. Not that I can picture the guy being a raging prostitute and cocaine maniac if he wasn't practicing this particular religion, but For me, when he said that, it kind of was like, I respect that.

3:16:55BubblemanIf that's what you've got to do to stay a good father and a good husband and a good person, then good. I'm glad that you have that available to you. And I definitely wouldn't want to keep people from it. But on the flip side, the large group of people that are seemingly seriously religious to the point where they want to change... Other large groups of people, or worse, annihilate them, that's definitely where you've got to have a problem with that belief system.

3:17:27EtienneYeah, when you start imposing your will upon others, you know, saying that you have to believe in this or that and the other, that's where I definitely have issues. I have no problem with, you said, when somebody finds good spirituality and etc., but when they start imposing on others, hurting others, killing others for their belief systems... To indoctrinate, that is where, yeah, my ship has sailed a long time ago.

3:17:53SpeakerThat's where you try to be. Not to be the devil's advocate, but hasn't that always been the base of religion? Using one religion to fucking go after your neighbors? I mean, throughout history, I mean, not to be rude, but God and gold were greatly justified. Heresy, witch, witch, witch. An old spiritual Bible baloney. On so many levels, man, you know, I mean, not to be rude, but I can't wait for the abolishment of it where we're all thinking in a matter-of-fact kind of way and looking at things rationally and realizing we're not the center of the universe and our actions matter and we have to be thoughtful of the environment.

3:18:30SpeakerI mean, I hope people stop looking towards heaven as their next place where they can go find salvation and they start looking at, you know, the metaphor of good and bad, heaven and hell as their life and start living a positive path. You know, fuck religion.

3:18:46BubblemanGood is good. Well, that's it. That's the difference between spirituality, though, and religion. I don't think being spiritual is being religious. I think the religious part is much more of the sort of that aspect of trying to... You know, I'm down with God, if you call it Mother Nature.

3:19:04SpeakerYeah, there you go. I'm fully into her. She's totally cool. Respect her. Yeah, gave me everything I've ever had to know. Literally, everything grows on trees that we have. Everything. Unless it's a mineral, right? Right. Pretty much. That grows under trees.

3:19:24EtienneGive it up for the trees, hey.

3:19:26BubblemanYeah, well, that's what the Lorax said. He spoke for the trees.

3:19:30EtienneWe're just a bunch of little Loraxes.

3:19:33BubblemanYeah, indeed. Shout out to Lorax.

3:19:36EtienneSpeaking for the little trees.

3:19:44BubblemanI'm in the Morms.

3:19:47EtienneNo doubt.

3:19:51EtienneBong rip.

3:19:53BubblemanYeah, what happened to D420K? He came, he left. He's got his family.

3:20:00Dr Mark ScialdoneMormons have magic underwear.

3:20:03EtienneThey say, dude.

3:20:09EtienneJust like back in the day, you used to have sex with the hole in the sheet.

3:20:13Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I want a religion that has magic clothing.

3:20:19EtienneIsn't that Harry Potter?

3:20:25SpeakerNo comment.

3:20:32Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm right with you, Todd. I think the problem today in the world is like look what's going on with ISIS over in the Middle East and this huge Humanitarian crisis of all these refugees is the largest drift of refugees across Central Europe since World War II. I mean, this is just huge. I mean, there's just...

3:20:52EtienneIt was going the other way.

3:20:53Dr Mark ScialdonePeople who are being displaced from their homes because of their religious beliefs or their belief in a different system of government than where they were. Imagine that. Imagine having to just leave your house and just start walking and have to walk a few hundred miles or a few thousand miles to go to a place that you don't even know where you're going to end up. It's fucked up.

3:21:26Dr Mark ScialdoneIn your religion.

3:21:27EtienneYeah, I wish that on no one. Yeah, that you will displace and kill and murder and kill women, children, etc. just in the name of You know, a book and an invisible person. That's senseless.

3:21:43Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and Trump made this statement that he wants to build a wall between Mexico and the United States and wants to have a big door in the wall so he can let people in and out.

3:21:55BubblemanYeah, South Park already ripped on that, except they made him the president of Canada instead of the president of America. And he built this giant wall. It's quite a ridiculous episode. Of course, leave it to South Park to be like on that shit like a fly on shit. And they fucked him to death.

3:22:12Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, yeah, exactly. I think what we ought to build is a bridge from Mexico and just bypass the states and go right to Canada.

3:22:22BubblemanI think we've got to remove some of these borders and stop like people are tripping with these invisible lines.

3:22:32BubblemanYeah. It's like North America. There it is. That involves lots of different countries. We don't need borders. Let's just go back.

3:22:42SpeakerDo you really want El Chapo coming up here and controlling our weed situation? It's without a few borders. It's this weird dynamic where two countries collect groups of people of a certain type.

3:22:56BubblemanHe can only control the illegal people. The prohibition-based market, so I'm not too worried about that.

3:23:07SpeakerI just kind of, like, I always thought about that. I'm like, well, look how much, like, I've worked in the states and the trouble I've had immigrating legally versus, fuck, if I'd have just gone and gotten married, you know, I'd be an American in like 10 minutes. The system is, it's backwards. Immigration was supposed to encourage stealing the best of other countries and bringing, you know, the best people to your country.

3:23:29SpeakerAnd then it became a system in which the worst people just bypassed that whole system. And everyone else who's good sits back and waits. It's really confusing when countries are trying to bring talent. Like, for instance, in the cannabis industry, what difference would it make if me and you could go down to the States easily? It could make a humongous difference, but I can also see it in the negative aspect where I don't know, Canada and U.S. aren't that different, but I could see how Mexico or, I don't know, if a whole country spoke French, how they could be different enough that people are always going to want lines, even if it's between properties, between your Italian neighbor and, you know, however you want to keep your lawn.

3:24:13SpeakerIt seems to be human nature.

3:24:15BubblemanIt does, for sure. I mean, just look at, just go try to cut down that tree at the foot of your property there that might be on your neighbor's property.

3:24:25SpeakerYou'll find out about borders. I love any time a TV show does that shit where you find out your neighbor owns half your garage because of some fence line in 1972. Because you pushed it.

3:24:38BubblemanIt's like, I'll show this neighbor of mine. Actually, he owns half your garage. You're going to have to take that down. Well, it's a tough one. I was literally with my kid at his birthday party the other day, and one of his little friends said, is from England but lives here in Canada for the last four or five years. He's a little guy, you know, he's like 12 years old or something.

3:25:02BubblemanHe started talking about the immigrant problem in London and I was just like, what the heck? This kid is like 11 years old, he sounds like a middle-aged woman from like Essex going on about the immigrants or whatever. Like it was really, it was pretty funny.

3:25:20SpeakerHe probably read some report that, like, you know, with this influx of immigrants, the price of Cheez-Its in your lunchbox is going to go up, and they get them riled in a whole different political way.

3:25:32BubblemanWell, I just thought it was hilarious. I was like, dude, do you realize that you are an immigrant? Like, you are an immigrant here. And then he said to me, no, I'm talking about the Africans. And I was just like, I just couldn't believe... But this little kid said this to me. I was like, wow.

3:25:51SpeakerSo is he born that way and just gets the data he needs from his parents, or do his parents make him that way?

3:25:57BubblemanDude, I don't know. To be honest, it was the first time I'd ever heard anything come out of a kid's mouth like that. It was so random. He was just like, I picture it as being potentially like maybe listening to his mom or his dad talk about the news or something. I'm not too sure, but it was definitely... I had to have a long discussion with them, let me tell you.

3:26:26BubblemanI'm... That's just funny and not funny at the same time at how strong the media is and how it can brainwash little kids, let alone adults.

3:26:40BubblemanIt seems to be more scary when it's like you expect adults to be brainwashed to some degree about something. I think the word brainwashed really just equals belief system. And if that belief system doesn't go with your belief system, we'll generally be like, man, you've been brainwashed. I think we all have, unfortunately. That's the cause and effect of having a belief system. Terrence McKenna called the belief system the anchor of mankind.

3:27:13BubblemanHard to exist without one, though.

3:27:18EtienneCould also be the anger of mankind.

3:27:21BubblemanTrue.

3:27:26SpeakerSo Todd, what are you secretly preoccupied with this episode? Are you writing your book right now? You know what's interesting is I actually was on Amazon looking at cannabis books and magazines right now. I was actually going to pick up the new Weed 2.0 Newsweek special issue and also the Time Magazine Marijuana Goes Mainstream pot legalization. I think it just came out while I was in Europe the last few weeks and I haven't actually gotten my hands on that one yet.

3:27:57EtienneHey, get me copies of each one of those two.

3:28:01SpeakerAlright, I'll get two.

3:28:03BubblemanWe'll put those titles up as links if they're available in the Hash Church group for those of you listening to any of this stuff. We like to put the topics that we discuss. Generally someone will start a post. So usually each Hash Church there's a variety of posts started in the group. And it's just called Hash Church on Facebook. And so join up there because that's a good place.

3:28:27EtienneAre you going to post the Ten Commandments?

3:28:30BubblemanYeah, I'll post the Ten Commandments for sure. I'll do that up, and Todd can post the links to those books and anything else that we feel that we've covered in this hash church. I'm going to put that boat in the water here real soon. I'm kind of excited. I've got to break in a motor. Exciting times.

3:28:59BubblemanI think I'm going to do it. I think I'm going to call it a day. Wrap it up. We've had so many quiet blurbs. It's been a great church. Nice and relaxed. Glad that we talked about some things other than cannabis today. And thank everyone for coming into the room. Thank you guys that came and left. And thank you ones that all stayed till the end. Todd McCormick, Mark Scaldone, Horatio Delbert, Gendo Hendrix, Etienne Fontaine, and David Hutchinson.

3:29:28BubblemanI'm the Bubble Man. Thank you guys for watching Hash Church. We do appreciate it. And we'll see you next week, Sunday, 9 a.m. West Coast time. Bless and love.