Cannabis Community and Terpene Parties

0:02BubblemanWell, hello there, everybody, and welcome to Hash Church episode 77. I'm feeling a little bit like a bag of shit today, but we're still going to pull through. We're still going to have Hash Church, as Johnny B just mentioned, in the chat room. Let me just get my shit together here. There we go. You'll have to mute that, please, Sam. That's okay. Just shut it off maybe.

0:28BubblemanAwesome. There we go. All right. So let me send this out to all the different folks as I have not even begun to do such things. There's Johnny B. I'll send him the link right away just so he can come and say hello. Send it off to everyone else. Usually I have it a little bit more organized than this.

0:50BubblemanTony. We're quite early today as we are in Barcelona, Spain, the last day of Spanibus and the day of Legends of Hash as well. I'm not feeling so good but I'm very much going to try to be able to make it to both of those events.

1:09Etienne FontanLet me just get this here real quick.

1:15SpeakerAll right.

1:17BubblemanWho else? Who else? All right.

1:25BubblemanI can send it to you via Facebook, can't I, Sam? That's much easier for me, so I'm going to do that. Let's see what's going on. We've already got 226 people. I hope everyone's doing better than I am today. Got a little bit of a cold. Got a little bit of tobacco poisoning last night. Of course, we went to the Advanced Nutrients Palace Party. It was a little bit crazy.

1:49BubblemanThey rented this giant palace. Hey, welcome, Johnny B. How are you doing, buddy? Hi.

1:53JohnnyI'm doing fantastic, brother. I hope you're feeling better.

1:57BubblemanYeah, you know, that last three weeks away from home and finally just picked up something last night. And I had a couple hour nap, but I'm feeling a little bit better anyway. I was feeling pretty rough a while ago. But, yeah.

2:14JohnnyWell, I had to put on my Legend of Hash shirt from the last time I was there. You know, I know I'm just sitting and hope it was a fantastic event for you guys.

2:22BubblemanYes, I really don't want to miss it, John, let me tell you. But at the same time, my throat is so sore from all the smoke and tobacco and shitty weed that it's going to be a tough one to make. I like how you're wearing your shirt, though. Hey, I love this shirt. You're there in spirit, brother. So how are things going?

2:41JohnnyWhat's new and different in BC? You know what? Things are moving slow. We got... We got a ban on vaporized lounges and everything in Ontario and a lot of stuff happening here in BC. A club got raided on Friday in Tri-City Medicinals run by two psychologists and a psychiatrist, doctors, really professionally set up. They went in and they just basically took their computers, took their money, took their weed, didn't even give them a, didn't arrest anybody and left.

3:14BubblemanOh shit.

3:16JohnnyYeah, so it's really weird what's happening here, but I got the neck brace off.

3:21BubblemanThat's amazing, dude. How's that feeling? Day 42, dude, and I got the neck brace off. That's great. Wow, dude. It's awesome. Good to see you looking and feeling good, brother. It's incredible, man. It makes me feel bad that I'm complaining about having a little bit of a cold and you just had fucking spinal surgery.

3:40JohnnyOh, dude, cold sucks. It contrasts the head, everything. My head's clear. Spinal surgery was good.

3:46BubblemanI can tell your head is clear, dude. You look like you're ready to go dancing.

3:51JohnnyI'm going to be dancing pretty soon. I did the first thing and I fell, so I figured I can't do that anymore.

3:57BubblemanOh, yeah.

3:58JohnnySo how is everything going in Spain? How is Spanibus treating everybody?

4:02BubblemanYou know, Spanibus was a nice event. The first couple of days were very busy. We've skipped today, obviously. It was just a little bit too much to try and make it down there today. But I'm hoping that I'm going to be better for Legends. I really don't want to miss Legends, man. But the amount of smoke... Over the last couple of days, it just took my immune system down, dude.

4:28JohnnyIt's been like that. It was like that last year and the year before. Yeah. It's amazing how it affects certain people, right?

4:36SpeakerYeah.

4:37JohnnyBut I mean, that's something that, well, I got my new drop down. Oh, nice, dude. Where'd you get that at? Hippo picked it up and blew it for me. Oh, Hippo. Yeah, nice little opal in there to match the little pipe that I got there during the glass event for the symposium. So I got myself a nice little drop. That looks perfect, man.

5:05BubblemanThat looks perfect. Lots of people are happy to see you looking so healthy and smiling. They're saying this is just great.

5:11JohnnyYou know what, Mark? I was saying to other people, I went up to some people that have known me since my accident and I went up and shook their hand and say, hi, my name's John Perfello. I don't think you really know me because a lot of people don't know me who know who I was because I've been living in pain solid for over 11 years, right?

5:30JohnnySo it's like you, Mark, you've never truly met me not in pain. You know, it's true. You don't, you don't, it's, it's, it's really, I've seen people I haven't seen in years that came to the gardening store on Thursday and every person who walked to the door went, wow, like, I'm just, yeah, I'm, I'm alive. I feel fantastic. And it's, it's truly amazing. And I talk about how this cannabis community was so much there for me, right from the beginning, right through the end till now to how it's just totally, it's been such a big part of my life.

6:04JohnnyLike, it's like a, I might get a little teary about it, but I mean, in 2005 when I fell and no one that was there to help me, WCV was fighting me, saying there's nothing wrong with me. People thought I was faking it, but the cannabis community was there for me. They were the ones who stood beside me and felt what I was going through and truly saw what I was about.

6:24JohnnyAnd then using cannabis to get off all the pharmaceutical drugs and then moving forward with it and just how much it became part of my whole general well-being. And then being able to get through that pain every day by using the concentrates, by getting into the hashes, by getting into the rosins, and really realizing how much this is truly being a huge part of my life. And it just feels great to be here and talk to you guys.

6:50JohnnyAnd you know what? I mean, because there's a lot of you out there that were just like me, which started when they were injured or they were beaten down. And I'll tell you right now, I mean, you just have to believe in yourself and this plant. Yeah. Pharmaceutical drugs are truly what brought me down and I was really realizing, understanding those pharmaceutical drugs and how they affect me and which ones were more natural bases and then going to the amino acids.

7:14JohnnyI don't even take amino acids anymore. I've been off of everything since surgery. I just see how things work out for me and it's truly a blessing.

7:22BubblemanWell, it's, you know, we actually had, we had this ex-football player, NFL football player come by the booth yesterday. I think his name was Ricky Williams. He had some problems with getting caught smoking cannabis. They piss tested him. I guess they kicked him onto the NFL. Thank you so much for joining us.

7:55BubblemanRamifications of using cannabis for pain. Obviously a lot of football players are in pain. And it was really cool. We even ended up doing a little interview with Sports Illustrated. Came by the table right after we did the interview with him and they just wanted to find out what we spoke about so they could write about it as well. So it was very different to be at a cannabis event and have like a professional athlete come by and, you know, bring ESPN to the table and bring Sports Illustrated.

8:22BubblemanIt's really kind of It's what we're looking for, that normalization to start seeing this pop up in other platforms.

8:31JohnnyNo, it's really good to see Lisa say this. It's the football heroes and the hockey stars that are truly going to be needing to use cannabis in the later years because of all the hits and injuries and all the arthritis and stuff like that. And even with the new club that opened up and that was celebrated, it was run by a psychologist and a psychiatrist, by doctors, by professionals.

8:54JohnnySo it's really good to see how things are changing into more of that professional, I guess they think with Trudeau and the legalization, a lot of these professionals think they can just open up shop and, you know, get on the beginning stages of legalization. But, you know, they, it's... I don't know what to say. It's weird what's happening right now.

9:15BubblemanYeah, it's not super good to see. Recently, I guess we have had over 22,000 arrests in Canada since Trudeau took office for cannabis. I was a little bit disturbed to see that myself.

9:27JohnnyYeah, it's, well, they're looking at some type of legalized platform like they are all around the world, but see what happens.

9:36BubblemanYeah.

9:36JohnnyI know you can't dab, brother, but I just pressed some of this Heavenly Days, like, Girl Scout cookies, and it, like, fire, like... Dude, hit it. Like fire. Look at that.

9:49BubblemanThat's beautiful.

9:49JohnnyBeautiful.

9:51BubblemanYou have some beautiful stuff. I just, uh...

9:54JohnnyI'm just not in a position to want to... I know. Dabs. And there's even a picture of a heart. I love that.

9:59BubblemanOh, there you go. Dabbing up with Johnny B.

10:04BubblemanYeah, after he said he would legalize it, he's allowed 22,400 people to be arrested. I mean, it's probably more now. That was a couple of days ago. With numbers like that, it must be many, many, many happening every day.

10:17JohnnyWell, if you remember last week, I talked about a friend of mine that's opening up one of the legal clubs. He's in stage three of his licensing with Vancouver. The cops in his jurisdiction were RCMP. They drove into his driveway, opened up his door, and took his money. That's it. It's illegal.

10:31BubblemanOh yeah.

10:32JohnnyAnd then this week they're creating a place that's run by doctors and stuff like that. So it's really interesting to see how this is happening and it's a lot of those arrests right now, right?

10:45BubblemanYeah. Well, I'm sure we'll be hearing from Dana Larson on the subject sooner than later.

10:51JohnnyI can only imagine. He's going to give away a million seeds. Anybody who wants seeds, you go to the Overgrow. He's on Facebook, stuff like that. He just announced it. And he's giving away free seeds over the next month or two months across Canada in packs. Just anybody who wants seeds, he's giving away seeds.

11:14BubblemanI saw that. That's really cool. Giving away a million seeds, eh? Overgrowing the government.

11:19JohnnyOvergrow, overgrow, outsmoke the government, as I used to say. Maybe. That's what's going to happen, man. It's just like, you know, slowly we'll get enough, we'll do anything about it.

11:33BubblemanWell I'm glad you were up Johnny B to be able to come and do a church. I'm not sure how long I'm going to last today but hopefully we can get a couple of hours under our belts. It would be great if the rest of the panel rolled up and I didn't have to be the main person talking but we'll see what happens.

11:46JohnnyWell I pretty much figured the whole panel was in Barcelona or at least half of them were.

11:52BubblemanYeah, we got quite a few people here, that's for sure.

11:55JohnnyYeah, it's like, it's great to see. I mean, Snapchatting with a few people and getting to see, it's really cool how that works. It's all free. You can kind of see everything back and forth. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. Looks like you guys are having a really good time. I miss the food, all the food everywhere. It's one thing you miss about Europe is there's just food everywhere.

12:16JohnnyFresh food, fresh everything. All the markets. We don't get that here in Canada.

12:24BubblemanBut what we do have... People are stoked that you got that brace off, bro. They're really stoked. Oh, you know what?

12:31JohnnyIt feels... Well, I take it off for about an hour or two, and then I put it back on for an hour or two. So it's stages. It came off, like I said, on Tuesday. And it's just... Hey, you know what? It's truly... It's just awesome. That's it. I'm really happy.

12:52BubblemanOh, we'll have to get together when I get back. I'm going to be going up to Whistler for a week when I get back just to try and get my immune system back to... And we'll see the family. Yeah, I got to get back to my family and check them out and all sorts of things have been going on since I've been gone. So I've been gone three weeks now.

13:09JohnnyI know your little one's probably grown that much.

13:11BubblemanOh, yeah, he's growing up huge, man. It's quite something.

13:17JohnnyYeah, my goddaughters... First year, first birthday there yesterday and went for the christening and nice big dinner and stuff like that. It's amazing how quick they grow. It's awesome.

13:32BubblemanYeah, it's very cool.

13:40JohnnyNo, I'm just reading some stuff on terpenes and I put a post on House Church about it last night. That was kind of interesting.

13:47CamaraNice.

13:47JohnnyI'm really pushing terpenes now. Everybody's like, you know, everybody's talking about five reasons why terpenes are the future and taking a look at, you know, what we've all been talking about. That's why we're. So great here. Rise of aroma and flavor, terpenes and terpene profiles. Over 200 terpenes have been found on cannabis and are some of the common to me. Yeah, it's just a really good post.

14:10JohnnyIt's in Hash Church, of course. It was just something that people would like to read.

14:15BubblemanYep. Give them a shout. We've got 500 people watching live and we're two hours early. That's quite something. It's almost 420 here in Spain, 419 for those of you who want to light up.

14:28JohnnyOne minute warning for all you 420 people in the world.

14:33BubblemanExactly, exactly. Hopefully I can make it out of here. I really just hope that I can not get any sicker before I fly out in 24 hours.

14:45JohnnyYou're not going to get any sicker?

14:49BubblemanCold FX. No, I have nothing, dude. I got nothing. I have no medicine whatsoever to take.

14:57SpeakerNo?

14:58BubblemanNo.

14:59JohnnySandrine Remo there? What's that? A bottle of cold effects in her purse when she flies.

15:05BubblemanOh, really?

15:06JohnnyThat's awesome.

15:09BubblemanYeah, I usually am okay with flying. Sometimes I'll catch something on the way home, but... That's a 420. That's a 420 for somebody out there. That's it. 420 happening right now. Are you going to film Legends? I don't even know if I'm going to be making it to Legends. I'm really kind of worried about it, to be honest. It's really the main reason I came to Spain to be able to throw this party and get together with all these great people.

15:35BubblemanAnd I just feel real rough. I'm not going to lie.

15:40JohnnyDude, you're a trooper and you never give up. That's why you're doing house church right now.

15:43BubblemanDude, 77 in a row. I felt like, man, I got to represent.

15:50JohnnyIf you got an extra large other house church legends shirt, if there's one this year, I would love to grab one.

15:59BubblemanYes, well, we'll see what we can do. I think we made it. I think we made it exactly the same after two minutes. Hey, who's this?

16:11BubblemanThat's Skunk Man Sam. We'll just have to mute his mic every time he's not talking in order to see this. Really? Really? He just went. There's no way it's muted because we're reverberating through here.

16:29JohnnyOh guys, what's everybody puffing on this morning?

16:31BubblemanThis is mute right here.

16:34JohnnyAnd what is your flavor of the day? What have you put together for your half-church morning? I got all my raws and just sitting right here getting ready. I mean pressing and had to get a station going this morning. It was actually, got up, turned up the stereo, did a seven-bed bong rip. Morpheus wanted to get fed. I'm going to go around the side and look at the garden.

16:59JohnnyI'm using this new nutrient from Green Planet. It's called Dual. It's a two-part. And wow, I can't believe the results. I had some sick plants and they really bounced back really, really quickly. So I'm really happy about that. And I'll be working really hard on the garden this year and putting my best to my best because I feel so good. So I'm really going to be putting a lot into this garden this next growth.

17:25JohnnyReally excited with the genetics too.

17:27BubblemanThat's awesome, dude. I think that's great. I can't wait to see what comes out of that.

17:38JohnnyIt's called paying attention. You've got to be on top of things. I think with my pain there last year and stuff like that, I was lagging and that's where a lot of people who are injured and have their guards and stuff like that. It's hard. We know that. Right. Get you out of bed. It does get you in there. That's one thing.

17:57BubblemanHey, welcome, Camara.

17:58CamaraWhat's up, man?

18:00BubblemanOh, you're quiet.

18:01CamaraGood morning.

18:02BubblemanCan you hear me now? I can hear you, but you're really quiet. Is he quiet for you, John?

18:09JohnnyHe is a little quiet. You know, maybe he's just trying to come in lightly. He knows you're sick. He doesn't want to talk too loud for you.

18:17SpeakerI was quiet last time, too.

18:20BubblemanThis is really quiet. It sounds like you're muffled, like something's covering your mic.

18:26SpeakerI'll call you back.

18:27BubblemanYeah, try that.

18:29JohnnyLast time he called us back, and then things worked out pretty good. You can go lie down, you can go to sleep, have a nap, someone can turn off the computer. Where's Tony?

18:41BubblemanUm, sorry. I, um... I just got a message so I lost my train of thought. But yesterday I was lucky enough to get introduced to the founder of the Super Sativa Seed Club and talk to him a little bit. Sam was nice enough to introduce me to him. And he said that he might be willing to make an appearance on Hash Church in the future and talk a little bit about how he came to create this SSS Seed Club, SSS Seed.

19:11BubblemanYou know, for those of you that know, it came out in around 86, 87. It was a seed catalog. Yeah, it's definitely like a big part of the history of all these different seed companies. There's hundreds of them out there now, maybe even over a thousand. Back in the 70s, apparently, there was really only one.

19:30CamaraWilliams Wonder.

19:34JohnnyWilliams Wonder. The more seed companies, the better.

19:39BubblemanYeah, Williams Wonder.

19:41JohnnyJohn's are growing. It's better. Nothing wrong with that.

19:45BubblemanNothing wrong with that. Man, I'm just glad that we've already done more than 17 minutes, which is the shortest hash church I've ever done.

19:53JohnnyYou know what? That was a snowstorm. Come on. And you were with some Jamaicans.

20:01BubblemanI was. It was beautiful.

20:02JohnnyYou forgot to leave out you were with some Jamaicans that are always late for everything.

20:08BubblemanWell, I'll tell you one thing. Spain has had some absolutely beautiful hash and rosin. We've seen full melt dry sift probably a dozen times. We've seen all sorts of beautiful full melts and some rosin that was, you know, absolutely surreal how stinky and tasty it was.

20:24JohnnyIt looked like the guys at HQ were rocking it up. Carlos sent me a little pic from there to the other day. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Interesting.

20:38BubblemanOf course, I'm doing the fold. Holding it up and getting ready. Ah, yeah, a couple people mentioning Waba. For those of you that saw the Waba field, hope you enjoyed it. It was great.

20:50JohnnyI like his dab that you did with him.

20:53BubblemanYeah, you know, I wanted to give him another one, but he was like, dude, I'm good with one. Yeah, I know.

20:58SpeakerThat one was good for him.

21:00BubblemanYeah. Over here squishing, guys. What's that? I said, I'm just over here squishing. All right, well, squish it up.

21:15JohnnyI mean, this, look at this. This is from the Heavenly Days. This squishes amazingly. I can't believe. That's a squirted round. That's like.

21:31JohnnyI love good music. It's just beautiful. And I'm happy. I just squished a little bud and I'm like super excited.

21:38BubblemanThat's good. That's good.

21:40JohnnyYeah, it's because I haven't been able to squish for a while, right? So now I'm able to get back into the squish and it was a little hard for a while. I haven't done any bag pulling yet. I'm kind of a little, I'm on about two liters of fluids right now. So no pulling bags for me.

22:00JohnnyHuh.

22:03JohnnySo I was asking people what they were smoking this morning, what they were squishing, what they had. And?

22:14BubblemanWhat did they have? What were they saying?

22:16JohnnyNot too much, actually. They were squishing or squashing. I probably got a little distracted by squishing, so I asked and then I forgot to look. Because I woke up this morning with a big bomb toke. I mean, I woke up this morning and I was like, you know what, it's Sunday, I put on my house shirt and I just did this great big bomb toke upstairs. I sit on this little round desk lately and I've been doing my balancing, trying to get, that's the only way to exercise right now is just to work on core and stuff like that and turn up the music, 7-10.

22:51JohnnyAlways a great morning. I hope you spend your mornings the same way, getting up and just feeling great.

22:58BubblemanYou know, the last week I've definitely been waking up and having a great session with Skunkman, Sam, and Tony, and we've been enjoying every day. It was really just the first day today that it knocked me down a few pegs.

23:11JohnnyYeah, it's always hard when you're gone for three weeks in a month. You take off and you're go, go, go. And you're working hard.

23:22CamaraIt's a long time to be away and a lot of traveling. How big's the fabulous?

23:30BubblemanHuge. Bigger. Bigger than last year? Thousands of people for sure. I don't know what they're going to cover in three days, but I'm sure it'll be 40,000 or 50,000.

23:37Speaker60 catalogs.

23:40BubblemanYes, 60 seed catalogs Sam collected. There's 60 seed companies there with booths.

23:46Johnny60 companies?

23:48BubblemanYeah. Well.

23:54JohnnyWild, eh? That's awesome. That's a lot of seed companies. Depending on the companies, it just could be.

24:05SpeakerPretty crazy. Hey, welcome back, Tamara. Thank you. Hey. Perfect.

24:16JohnnyYou are now perfect. Nothing to outwit you right there.

24:24SpeakerAre you hitting Terps, Johnny?

24:27BubblemanI'm not hitting nothing.

24:31SpeakerYou got the dreaded cannabis event curse.

24:40BubblemanYeah, I haven't had it in a long time, but I'm feeling it.

24:44SpeakerI was thinking you should have brought Johnny's butt plug.

24:48BubblemanYeah.

24:52BubblemanD420K, you mean?

24:54SpeakerWho was it the other last week that had the little green thing you called the butt plug?

25:02BubblemanDarren had one.

25:04JohnnyI was looking for this. This is awesome.

25:09JohnnyI like it when I find stuff. Sorry.

25:11BubblemanNo, Bubble Man's not dry. Bubble Man has tons of stash. I've just been poisoned with tobacco and shitty weed smoke to the point where my voice and my throat are absolutely trashed. So I'm going to take a little bit. Yeah, tea. I'll probably have some tea.

25:27JohnnyI realize my pipe is, I mean, doing dabs without any water on it. I was like, wait, this is not my third or fourth dab.

25:35BubblemanThat's pretty hilarious, dude. I can't believe 500 people are, what the heck time is it there, John?

25:43JohnnyIt's right now, it's 8.30 a.m. Isn't it, like, it didn't clock so bad last night? It might be 7, maybe. That's not bad. When was your daylight savings time? Is there one coming up?

25:55BubblemanOh, I don't know. Did we just do daylight savings? I don't know.

26:00JohnnyIt could be really, really high this morning, but I know it's coming up.

26:06SpeakerHow you doing, Hemp Guy? Howdy, howdy.

26:16BubblemanHowdy, howdy, howdy. How about this shirt that was given to me?

26:22JohnnyNice. Dude, that's awesome. I found my mushroom. See the quote at the bottom?

26:31BubblemanBill Hicks.

26:35BubblemanIt's just arrived. Classic Bill Hicks. For those of you that don't know Bill Hicks, Google it up. It's awesome. Great comedian who really dwelled into some pretty deep content. He is one funny, funny man. All right, so people asked about the terpene party. I could talk about that a little bit. It was pretty awesome. We learned some things. We definitely produced some terp champagne for the night.

27:06BubblemanWe had about eight or nine bottles of carbonated water, which is very easy for those of you that want to make your own terp champagne. It's really as simple as adding the terps to the water. Thank you for watching.

27:43BubblemanWe had 10 cultivars, and we wanted to make sure that everyone was able to try each one, so Robert Carroll, our friend who won second at Dabadoo, won the second, maybe even first, I think second. He brought his winning entry, like 20 or 30 grams of rosin, and we made a bunch of these different little sort of packs where we had three grams of rosin on an oil slick canvas, and then we saturated...

28:09BubblemanWith a drop of each, we saturated that and mixed it all up. And we did that with all ten flavors on four different mats. And passed them around to the tables, let people smell each terpene, take a dab, then smell it again, have a taste. The cake was a complete and total bonus that the people from La Calada just produced for us. We had no idea they were going to produce such a cool thing.

28:32BubblemanWe never asked for it. It was really fucking cool. Wow. And it was really just an evening of, you know, I think we went through 15 bottles of terpenes, so maybe 120 to 150 drops at the party. And about, oh, I guess 60 people maybe were there. So we made sure that everyone got the full-blown experience. People were just, their faces were lit. It was very different to have that kind of an experience, like a wine testing, where It seems to just keep everyone in an up state.

29:09BubblemanYou don't get this lower sort of vibration that seems to occur when you're smoking a lot of THC without those added terps. So it was really a nice party. It was the first one. Tony and I are going to try and throw one on 420 in Vancouver. He's going to be possibly coming up for that. And we'll do a big 420 event there, and then we'll have a really nice special event at night with a terpene gala event where everyone can You know, come and enjoy the terpenes.

29:36BubblemanHopefully we'll have at least 20 kinds of cultivars this particular time around. And we're even thinking of maybe doing it in May at the Lyft conference that we're both speaking at and have a booth at. So you're going to see these terpene parties pop up down in America. You'll start seeing them pop up in Canada. And they're just really a nice, refreshing way to hang out with cannabis-based people and still enjoy yourself with just a little tweak in how we normally do it.

30:06JohnnyThat's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I happen to have a Pentel suite overlooking 420. I've already rented it, so we'll definitely talk more.

30:17BubblemanNice. Excellent, Johnny B. Excellent. That's what I like to hear.

30:23JohnnyYeah. I took care of that right away. I was like, you know what? It's going to be a really good 420 all around the world, and then to hear about a terpene party at a 420 event, that's even better, and I think that's fabulous, guys. It's really a new thing. People are really enjoying it, and I think it's refreshing. It's going to be a terpene parties of 2016.

30:45BubblemanYeah, absolutely, dude. You know, we're going to try and rock at least one or two legends a year, but definitely I see the terpene party being much more. I'm sure Tony's going to throw them down in Colorado and California and All over the place, everyone wants the terps, you know. You cannot imagine how excited everyone is at this event for these terpings.

31:11BubblemanYep.

31:15BubblemanYeah, I have loads of terpene companies in the next year or so. Loads of terpene companies, dude. I bet you it blows away extract companies in the next, like, Like you say, a year, we're just going to see dozens of them.

31:31JohnnyYeah. Well, terpene company, get that going right away, don't I? Exactly. That's awesome. You know what, since we always know it's like aromatherapy, and we do for decades, and to see it taken to another level with cannabis and how we're certainly able to access that because it, It truly was like when I was in the hospital how those terpenes helped me so much. It's really, it's going to be a whole new field of what they look at even for medical stuff like that, how it's able to modulate certain brain functions.

32:08JohnnyCool. It's exciting.

32:10BubblemanYeah, you were definitely liking it in the hospital there. That was a neat little video we did.

32:15JohnnyYeah, you can definitely see how it modulates certain things in my brain, and I can feel the effects, like literally feel the effects. Even though I was on a little bit of morphine, I can still feel how it helped me with certain fragrances. They actually uplift you. It's like a breath of fresh air, and you can see how that just does that. It's like walking into a house that has some good...

32:37JohnnyWhen you open up my front door, everybody opens up the door, the first thing they do is they smile because of the aromatherapy, right?

32:42SpeakerYeah. Yeah.

32:45SpeakerIt's interesting because the cost of production and again the barrier of production is the fact that all these unique smells are really in drug cannabis. They're not in hemp. So you couldn't, I mean it's a whole different thing than extracting these terps from hemp.

33:00SpeakerSo that means that it's going to be difficult to produce in large quantities enough terps to fill the market.

33:06JohnnyIt's funny though about the hemp terpenes that are like in this distillate here. It should be out of the distillate like it is with the other distillates that they have. But the hemp, the terpene is still in there. It's like a cherry. It's like a dark. And we can't get that terpene out of hemp.

33:26SpeakerAre you sure it's a terpene? Why don't you run it through the GC? Can you do terpenes on your GC?

33:33JohnnyNot yet. In the midst of getting back into there, it's going to happen. Okay. It's getting the new column and getting a dry injecting syringe and stuff like that. I'm just learning a little bit more about it. So it's definitely going to come in the next few months. But I still have to spend more work in there on other things.

33:55SpeakerWell, yeah, I was wondering because I'm thinking are they going to start producing these terps and bacteria too and then making mixes?

34:05SpeakerWhat's that, Chimera? I wonder if people are going to start producing these terpenes and yeast or bacteria also and then doing the production that way. That's an interesting concept for sure. I mean, if you have a huge demand, which is going to happen over the next few years, I mean, man, that's a lot of terpenes, a lot of plants that have to be produced to fill that demand.

34:28JohnnyYeah, but how many terpenes do you have?

34:31BubblemanI met a guy from France the other day and... He basically gave me these shoes and inside the shoes he had these inserts that had pot leaves all over them. And he had big jars like chemical, you know, the aluminum type bottles from labs that are properly sealed and everything. He had like four or five of them of his own cannabis derived terpenes. He had them in spray bottles and he had them in bottles that you could just pour them right out.

34:56BubblemanAnd he was basically spraying up the shoes. His whole trip was smell my shoes. You can go dancing in these shoes, you can spend a whole day in these shoes, and when you take them off, they release these nice smells instead of the rank foot odor that a lot of people would get after dancing on their feet in socks and stuff for hours at a time. Pretty neat little product.

35:15BubblemanI'll probably show it on my channel when I get back home. Were they hemp turps? No, they're high cannabis, like mango kush and No, he basically had enough access to make big bottles. He had, I guess, big outdoor grower or something. I'm not sure, but he was one of the only guys we saw there that actually had terps, and he had a product, so it was kind of neat.

35:46BubblemanPeople are doing different things anyway. They're coming up with ideas.

35:51JohnnyWell, it's going to be perfumes based from cannabis. They'll be in the high-end stores and sell them for like $1,000 and one more ounce.

36:02SpeakerWhat's that? They've got to just make sure that people are going to be smoking them. They've got to make sure that they're certified and clean and not contaminated and adulterated.

36:16JohnnyIf we want to smell cannabis now, all we want to do is smell it.

36:24BubblemanYeah, you know, there have been some other terps that we smelled while here, Chimera, and they smell just a little off. There smells like something's not quite right in them. They look a lot like Tony's on Instagram photos and stuff, but they're not the same. There's still like something left behind or something's been altered in a way that you just don't get that. It's kind of like what I do is I smell it and I'm like, hmm, something a bit weird there, just something a little bit weird.

36:56SpeakerYeah, well, again, it falls into this weird, Unregulated market, right? It's like these spice products that people are selling them not for human consumption, right? So it's like if people are going to start selling turps for human consumption, does that create a different level of purity and does it have to be tested and all that kind of stuff, right?

37:21JohnnyWell, I guess with turps, there's definitely no way of contaminating it, is there? I mean... Can't get any pesticides. What can you get in the terpene itself?

37:31BubblemanI mean, those are just... Well, you can change the molecule by not knowing what you do. I tried to explain this to all sorts of guys that were doing BHO. All the BHO people that I met, not one of them said they had a PhD in chemistry, and I just said, you know, that would be a good idea to understand... I'm pretty sure chemists go to school for years to understand complexities and nuances and subtleties that people that don't take chemistry would easily miss.

37:57BubblemanAnd they wouldn't understand maybe even the simple SOP that a chemist might follow when he goes to a lab because he went to school for many, many years and he understands that there are these sort of methods of following these simple rules. And I was just amazed at how many, I mean terpenes, we know when we heat terpenes that they can change into different terpenes. So I think that that right there, It seems to be from the first time I smelled terpenes, which were steam distilled in yellow, they had a particularly acrid smell, and it wasn't until Tony started getting them to come out really clear, clear, clear, clear, clear, and almost curing them the way you would cure your bud or your hash, because those caustic monoterps that are present at the start seem to really grab you by the throat, and they're not quite as enjoyable to smell either.

38:49BubblemanCompared to when they're gone and then all of a sudden you get this real nice soft flavor that comes out and it just seems to me a little bit more, I'm not really sure how to describe it. Yeah, and user-friendly or just like nicer. There's something about it that's nicer. So that took, you know, the last year. Tony wasn't curing his terps originally, but I know that he cures them now and he doesn't just make them and then sell them.

39:16BubblemanCuring terps. Yeah.

39:17JohnnyIt's an interesting concept.

39:21SpeakerYeah, John, you were saying that there couldn't be pesticides or anything. I mean, you could have all that same stuff in it, but you contaminate it, so it depends on the extraction process that's used, right? And as more and more people get in, everybody's going to come up with their own, you know, secret method or whatever, and you don't, unless all the stuff's being tested, you don't know what's actually in it.

39:43SpeakerWell, that's the whole thing. You know, if people are going to be using these things for human consumption, that They should be tested. And you should have to show what's in it.

39:55BubblemanYeah, 100%. I love the idea of it coming with the entire terpene profile and just getting it tested really nicely. What are, from your perspective, Chimera, what, you know, hydro diffusion, steam distillation, vac diffusion, what other methods are there for people to actually produce these terpenes?

40:17SpeakerI'm not a chemist, so I'm not a good person to ask that to you. Yeah. Where's Mark?

40:25JohnnyIs his ears ringing right now? What's that? Is Mark's ears ringing right now? I don't know. I sent him the link, but it's early. Right now, as we were saying that, I would just click.

40:37SpeakerOkay. Didn't work. There's all sorts of techniques that people are going to use. Beyond the extraction process, it becomes a supply chain, too. Where did the weed come from? Who grew it? What methods did they use? So I think, again, in regulated markets, we'll see that there'll be like an extraction-grade cannabis that's grown, and there'll be this whole set of regulations that go along with it.

41:03SpeakerAnd again, all those products, just like they do in California, residual tests for solvents and for butane and all that kind of shit, it will happen also with terpene products, or it should happen with terpene products, I just think.

41:19BubblemanCharlie Simon says GW Pharma has a hot air extraction method for terpene extraction. I linked the patent to Hash Church a few weeks ago.

41:26SpeakerCool. Heat, but it's heat, so again it'll be, I wonder if the terpene profile, the material that goes in is what comes out in the end, right?

41:38Etienne FontanYep.

41:42BubblemanWell, hopefully Tony makes it back. He was supposed to be back about an hour ago. He was just going out to drop a friend off, but it would have been great to get a little bit of information on this and find out when people can expect Blue River Lab tests. I think it would be nice for people to be able to get the product or at least just have them on the website for each batch.

42:04SpeakerWell, and that comes down to, again, how big is a batch? Like, you know, it's a whole bunch of issues that need to be sorted out there.

42:11BubblemanWell, the batches are pretty big because they're getting, you know, they couldn't find better weed. You know what I'm saying? Like 10 pound plant, perfectly grown by conscious, you know, multi-generational growers in California. Just beautiful, beautiful profile production. No chemicals, organic, et cetera, et cetera. So he's very, very lucky and that's always like, You know, everyone wants to play the game, but really the supply of the raw product is really going to decide how much you get to play.

42:45BubblemanAnd that's always been the same with extracts as well. Are you able to make grams? Are you able to make kilos? Are you able to make tons? These are the differences between, or how Howard Marks always said in his book, or there was a beautiful quote, there's two types of dealers, those that need forklifts and those that don't. And so maybe there's two types of extract people and two types of growers and two types of even terp producers.

43:09JohnnyThose that need... Then we have to take a look at the home growers that need access to themselves too. So we need to... Well, yeah. Guys, so we can make it at home.

43:20SpeakerBut you're right though, Marcus. I mean, that is going to change. I mean, California, one of the things about their new regulations, even for medicine, are going to allow these big growers... And so that will be one of the problems. I'm sure that'll be what you're not sourcing it from 10-pound plants, but you're sourcing it from acres at that point.

43:39BubblemanAcres, exactly, yeah. When we're able to do sections and hectares, it'll be quite exciting.

43:45SpeakerThe race to the bottom. I don't know if you've seen that down in California, but it's one of the most impressive things about the whole state is the industrial agriculture. It's something else to see. Like, it really is. I've never seen it anywhere else in the world. But just huge, huge, huge production of everything from strawberry to lettuce to citrus to everything. Everything. Garlic.

44:10JohnnyJust thinking what it's going to do to this earth when we start growing hectares and hectares of ganja all around the world. Just how much fresh, just how it's going to clean the air.

44:23BubblemanYeah, well, I'll tell you. It'll change the way people think is what my partner always said when we first got hemp growing in Manitoba. This is going to change the way people think. They're going to be driving by in their cars and they're going to look over and they're going to see acreages of cannabis. In Manitoba it happened faster than you think. At first the high school kids were racing to the fields and cutting buds and getting caught at their high school with big six foot long hemp buds in their lockers.

44:51BubblemanAfter a couple of years it dissipated and everyone realized, no, there's no THC there. There's not really any value of smoking that product. It's just another product that gets left alone like flax and wheat and all these other sort of things that are grown in the prairies.

45:05SpeakerYeah. So I wonder if it will take us there that way of these terps we produced in THC producing plants or will there be a whole new breeding thing for essentially flower hemp, you know, CBD rich plants, low THC that produce high amounts of oil, flowers, or terpenes, you know, in known or desired quantities. Something to think about.

45:30BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I mean, and also keep in mind in the aromatherapy world, you know, it's all about the elevation and the soil and the particular environmental variables that occur in certain places that just produce the best lavender and the best chamomile and the best, et cetera. So we may very well find that cannabis grows everywhere, but in specific areas it will produce specific terpene profiles and In higher peaks, and this is just a theory, but it seems to work with all other essential oil secreting plants.

46:06BubblemanOf course it's true. Yeah.

46:08SpeakerOf course.

46:08BubblemanIt has to be, right? How could cannabis not be a part of it?

46:10SpeakerNo, it is. Period. You don't even have to speculate.

46:13BubblemanYeah. Well, there's a way to call me out and say I'm wrong, so.

46:17SpeakerTerpene, terpenes are really produced by light and genetics is what determines the profile, so you really need something that's going to be Highlight environment, you know, right temperature for sure, probably low wind, anything that's going to minimize terpene loss, right?

46:36BubblemanI think we could have something to do with it as well. Yeah, maybe. Hey, welcome, Etienne. Oh, that's who never got a link today. I forgot Etienne. I couldn't think this morning. You look rusty.

46:55JohnnyIt happens.

46:57BubblemanAll the time.

47:00SpeakerYeah, you've got to be careful at those cannabis events to anybody that hasn't gone. Man, you can get so sick. There's so many people there all coming around from all different parts of the world and bringing their germs. Oh, yeah.

47:14BubblemanAnd even more so, lowering the immune system with no sleep and the lack of eating food and the whole nine yards, inhaling radioactive tobacco.

47:25JohnnyWaiting for Ed Shea to come in. I'm going to do a dab with him.

47:29BubblemanI sent him the link. He should be heading in in a bit here.

47:34BubblemanI sent it out to a schwack of people this morning, but hey, that's how it goes sometimes. It's early. It's almost 5 o'clock here in Spain. Legends of Ash starts in less than an hour. I don't even know what I'm going to do about that. I'm going to have to maybe head down there just for a little bit and try to make an appearance and say something and I just won't be able to be in that room and not be able to breathe.

48:01SpeakerHow did the tobacco free room work out at La Colada or wherever?

48:05BubblemanIt was okay except when someone like Tony would have a conversation with the owner right at the door. He'd open the door and then stand there for 20 minutes and have a conversation. And then Sam and I were like, okay, so basically the tobacco free room is fucked now. It's completely full of tobacco.

48:20Etienne FontanFor the next two hours.

48:22BubblemanYeah, for the next two hours, so. But those guys at La Calada, I'd just like to say honestly, if you guys are in Barcelona, I mean, hopefully they have that tobacco-free room because the tobacco in there gets really crazy. But fresh squeezed juices, incredible staff. They gave us beautiful dry sift and beautiful water hash.

48:44SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

49:12Etienne FontanI can't believe, I mean, I don't know why we continue to do this stupid thing here in America, pretend, you know, we shortened it, now it's, we're going to pretend again. I just don't, why do we still do daylight savings time?

49:25SpeakerThey're saying the health effects, too, are really quite serious overall in the population, that it causes as much drama to people as it saves, so.

49:34BubblemanNo, I see a thing on the plane, and it's a light product. That shines light into your ears. And apparently this is how you know, this is how our bodies register, you know, nighttime and daytime. It's actually done through our ears. And so this product on the plane, it was quite expensive, 200 plus euros or something, but you could run this light through your ears for an hour or so and it would readjust you, keep away jet lag and these sort of things.

50:03BubblemanI never bought it, but I looked at it and thought that's kind of an interesting concept.

50:10Etienne FontanI've never heard of it, but it sounds interesting nevertheless.

50:13SpeakerYeah, there's a whole part of your brain that regulates your biorhythms.

50:21Etienne FontanHuh. So what have you seen in Barcelona this week? I know there's got to be some new things there, huh?

50:31BubblemanOh yeah, let me think, what kind of new things were there? I sat at my booth most of the time, I didn't really get out much to go and visit other booths, so I went and saw DNA at one point in time, said hi to those guys, and other than that I was really at my booth the entire time. The terpene shoes were kind of funny, that was a new thing, I thought I got a kick out of that.

50:55Etienne FontanWhat do you mean terpene shoes?

50:57BubblemanWell, he had shoes with special insoles, and he would drip terpenes in them, and it was the product that he was selling, the old... His motto was, smell my shoes.

51:08Etienne FontanOne o'clock to the fourth. Some soul for your soul.

51:14BubblemanThat made me laugh, to say the least. So, legend starts in one hour. Wow. Bomber.

51:24Etienne FontanSo, are you going to... Oh, Rip is right. Are you going to broadcast from Legends? That's all quiet.

51:29JohnnyWhat's that? We don't broadcast from Legends. No pictures. Definitely not.

51:36Etienne FontanI was wondering if you were going to broadcast from Legends, but I know that's usually a very private, quiet thing, so.

51:41BubblemanYeah, no broadcasting.

51:45Etienne FontanTo elaborate on the difference between a variety of genetics that are making any waves through that you were like, ooh, that's unique. Or is it pretty much all the same?

51:59BubblemanYeah, I mean, it's all polyhybrid. Wouldn't you say all the seeds are pretty much the same other than AC Bank, which had all the...

52:04SpeakerThere's a few, but almost everything is multi-polyhybrid.

52:10BubblemanMulti-polyhybrid. Hi, Sam.

52:13Etienne FontanHowdy, howdy. What have you seen there that's been unique there, Sam, or is it pretty much just a demo?

52:19SpeakerI've been watching the CBD varieties.

52:24Etienne FontanAny unique ones or just the same ones you're seeing?

52:27SpeakerI want to find every CBD synthase that exists. And then make them all express and understand what's the differences.

52:42BubblemanWell, I'm sure that most people watching Hash Church don't have any idea what he just said. So maybe we can explain that a little bit. What do you think?

52:55SpeakerIt's a group in Germany that Dave's doing some work for, Sam's doing some work for, that's looking at production of cannabinoids in yeast. So one of the things that they're doing is looking at all the different versions of these genes that exist in the gene pool. And they sequence them all and look and see if there's differences. And it might be that one version of the synthase, one allele, is more efficient at producing CBD than the other ones.

53:25SpeakerSo it's kind of the data collecting for that whole experiment.

53:32BubblemanIf that makes any sense. Yeah, absolutely. Just been answering people in the chat that were asking some questions. Welcome, Horatio.

53:41HoratioMorning, Horatio. Morning, morning. Morning, Ed Shen. I didn't get a chance to say good morning.

53:50Etienne FontanNice new pipe there, sir.

53:53JohnnyThank you.

53:56JohnnyAre you happy with them?

54:02Etienne FontanAny new pieces that you've seen of any interest there, Marcus? Or is it pretty much, you were pretty much just rolling around with your eggs, so you were in terpene land most of the time, huh?

54:13BubblemanYeah, a few people brought, I saw my friend Dabinator, the Max from the Dabinator company had a really cool dragon that he brought to the Dabadoo and a few people brought some nice pipes by the booth but mostly it was just our fab egg that we were hitting the entire time.

54:28SpeakerAre you seeing any difference in people now that they're making more of an appreciation for the quality of the hash in the way that they're smoking it? Are they still just, is it all hash tobacco joints or are people that make these fine quality products, do they smoke them in a better way?

54:44BubblemanSome people are smoking them in a better way. I mean, yesterday I literally had an Italian guy tell me that he had this 99.999 dry sift, and I was like, oh yeah, I smoked some of that. It was really nice, the melon cookies. I said, how did you smoke it? And he said, oh, I just put it in with a little tobacco, and I almost fell down and cried.

55:02BubblemanI just couldn't believe that someone would take a product that nice. It took the guy 12 hours to take 2 kilos and turn it into 8 grams. And this motherfucker... Takes it and puts it in tobacco. I was just like, holy fuck, bro. I guess.

55:19HoratioI thought you were going to say that he actually put the tobacco on the Jermichael screen and then put the hash on top of it to melt. But I expected something horrible like that was going to go down. And I bet he said he tasted the whole thing too.

55:35BubblemanWell, I gave him a dab afterwards on the mothership and he understood that he did not taste the whole thing. But It's how people learn, right? They smoke how they learn and then they stay that way for much of their life.

55:46SpeakerYeah, it would be really interesting because that's what I was wondering. Are people getting off tobacco over there or is it just still so in your face culture that everybody, I mean the few people that are smokers that you meet that don't smoke, that either smoke pure or they don't smoke tobacco is really, really small.

56:07Etienne FontanYeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. So the non-tobacco room didn't stay non-tobacco? Is that what I'm hearing there, Bubble Man?

56:15BubblemanWell, if you opened the door and you stood in front of the door and you talked to the owner of the club for 20, 30 minutes like Tony did, there was no purpose to the smoke-free room because there was so much smoke coming into the room. But I still had a great time. I mean, I enjoyed it. It was early enough in the day. It was last night at the Hash Museum I got poisoned.

56:40BubblemanThey were smoking so many, they chain smoke cigarettes and I just couldn't, I couldn't deal with it.

56:47Etienne FontanYeah, I can't either. It's really strange that they, well, I understand. I totally get it. Hey, Tony.

56:54CamaraWhat up? How's the bubble man feeling?

56:58BubblemanPretty rough, you know, I've got a pounding headache. We're just pounding through for some hash church. We've been doing it for about an hour. We've got 700 people watching live right now.

57:08CamaraYou know what happens in Spain on Sunday?

57:10BubblemanNothing.

57:11CamaraAbsolutely nothing.

57:14Etienne FontanHow are you dealing with the cigarette smoke there, Tony?

57:21CamaraWe don't deal with cigarette smoke. We don't hang out with people that smoke cigarettes or smoke tobacco. It's just that it's like, you know, absence. You just don't surround yourself with people like that. True. True, true.

57:37SpeakerI think Sunday is Pollo a Polastra Day. It's like crazy chicken barbecue places spot up all over the city and everybody has chicken barbecue.

57:47BubblemanChicken barbecue, hey?

57:49SpeakerI didn't see any chicken barbecue. I saw lots of cops. Those rotisserie chickens, I see those.

57:59Etienne FontanSo were people freaking out over the terpenes? What was the reaction?

58:04CamaraOh yeah. There was a... I wish we could have recorded everyone's face. Me too. Even that first smell even. Yep. Pretty much everyone at that VIP party, even Ricky Williams, everyone that just smelled it.

58:20BubblemanAnd the drinking it.

58:21CamaraThe drinking of it freaks them out.

58:23BubblemanYeah.

58:24CamaraIt always gets them.

58:26BubblemanYep. You know, we had the, I talked a little bit about it, but definitely if you want to talk a little bit about your experience at the terpene party.

58:33CamaraYou know, it was, it's like anywhere else when you get into, you know, the idea is to like basically pass along the experiences. You know, that's why I came out here was just to share the experience with people. And I think it was cool to have the multiple sensors so you're able to, You're able to smell it, able to vape it, and you're able to taste it.

59:01CamaraAnd those were the three things that we did at our turf party. So I think it was super important to be able to have all sensory experience at the same time. Yeah, you need a GoPro for your mother shit though. Oh yeah, the vape exhale. Yeah, we used the vape exhale, which has these little glass rods that go into this kind of like volcano thing. Uh, vaporizer, and, uh, one little drop into this little unit was getting a good ten, ten rips off of one drop, so it was definitely the most efficient way to What temperature, what temperature was that?

59:41CamaraOh, it was 275. That's very low, right? Yeah, Fahrenheit. Yeah, really low. But that wasn't until the very end, so we had to build it up. I was trying to serve, like, Uh, Rosin with different terpenes, like sushi on little platters, and then Bubble Man was, uh, making sure that everyone actually got to try everything, so we spent a lot of time going to each individual table and, uh, sitting with people.

1:00:09CamaraFuck yeah. So that's kind of how the party was. It was pretty cool. We had, uh, one, two, three, four, five, six different tables. Um, I think everybody was really into it, you know? It was something new and exciting for The only problem was we just didn't have enough, as usual. Well, to sell them all. Everyone wanted to buy them all. Oh, yeah. Well, even the ones in my hand.

1:00:35CamaraYeah. Well, I'll buy a drop from you. I know. We're not even selling a drop. This is all I have. This is my last.

1:00:40BubblemanWell, by the end of the party, what we really started doing, what Tony started doing, was giving everyone a drop in their own hash container and turning all their shitty hash into Like it seemed like it was three star and it would go to like four or five star when you put like a single drop of terpenes in.

1:00:56CamaraYeah. Yeah, I remember that one, that guy had like just powder. Oh yeah, dude. It was like three star powder and I took one drop and I took three grams into the one drop and made it into a rock.

1:01:06BubblemanKept pressing it and moving it around. Like a caramel rock. Yeah. That was awesome. It was awesome. Man, the chat room wasn't working this morning. That was a bit scary. Nice that it all Worked out. Tony updated the computer and started it over, and it worked. For some reason, it just wasn't engaging, and I don't know how we would do Hash Church without all of you guys helping us out with questions and talking.

1:01:31CamaraWhat time is it over there?

1:01:33BubblemanAlmost not. Just after 9 o'clock. It's Daylight Savings in America.

1:01:37CamaraOh, it's Daylight Savings on top of it? Yeah.

1:01:40Etienne FontanThat's why I came in an hour late. I didn't realize it started so early.

1:01:43JohnnyYeah, right now it's like 8 and 5. I always get up at like 6, so this morning I got up at 5 apparently. Did he laugh? I think it was about 20 minutes ago.

1:01:55BubblemanJohn's stoked.

1:01:57Etienne FontanJohn is stoked. You look great without your neck brace on, John. Yeah, you do. It's got to feel fucking awesome.

1:02:04CamaraYeah, he's just constantly moving his head left and right. Yeah, your scarf. Jesus, dude.

1:02:11JohnnyI feel great, you know. Like I was saying, Tony, in the beginning is how much... In the beginning of my accident and how cannabis and the community became so much a part of it and that were really the ones behind me that stood beside me and saw through what I've been going through for the last 11 years and it's just awesome to feel and to know and to see exactly around me and all the books and all the education, all the stuff that I've had to learn to deal with my pain and now just the next steps.

1:02:39JohnnyI still have it but you know what I mean, it's just it's not as excruciating what it was and understanding what I used for that pain You can see it definitely in your face, John.

1:02:52Etienne FontanYou can totally see it. Your face looks so much more relaxed.

1:02:56JohnnyI'm not swollen anymore. Because my spinal cord was compressed and diffused, my face was swollen. I can see it in all the pictures now. But I'm just not swollen. It's cool. It's awesome. Morning, Tom.

1:03:09SpeakerMorning, John. You look great without a cast on. Thanks. It's nice to see you looking more normal.

1:03:15BubblemanMorning, Todd.

1:03:16SpeakerMorning, Todd. You know, more than the cast, it's the smile. You've got the smile on his face since the surgery. It's great to see. You don't have that, like, underlying...

1:03:26BubblemanRight now, it's just left and right. Yep. He's definitely rocking the Stevie Wonder. It's good to see. It's good to see.

1:03:34SpeakerDefinitely rocking the Stevie Wonder. I love that. All you're going to do is start cursing a lot, and you'll be just exactly that, Stevie Wonder.

1:03:43CamaraWe saw a picture of you last night, Todd.

1:03:47SpeakerOh, you were through the museum. Yeah. Exactly. Can I tell you a funny story? I wrote, that's odd, and before I went to bed, I got a picture of Ben. From Ben, I was like, what the fuck? What's odd? And I just had to tell him I was making a joke, you know? It's like the Todd without a T. Museum's amazing. Tony, is it your first time in the Barcelona Museum?

1:04:13CamaraYeah, that was the first time. We were at a party, and then we basically walked over to the museum. It was my first time in there. It's absolutely incredible. Yeah, it's beautiful. Actually, huh?

1:04:26SpeakerWe got a private tour from Robbie.

1:04:28CamaraYeah, we had a private tour.

1:04:30BubblemanAnd before that, we went to the Placa de Antonio Lopez, this palace that Advanced Nutrients rented out for a party, and it was pretty ridiculous. Yeah, they called it the World Party. Yeah, they call it the world party and it was like Big Mike walking around with his handlers and his security team and his assistant manager and his private personal assistant and it was pretty intense, dude.

1:04:55BubblemanAt one point he walked up to our table and he talked to Tony. He was like, hello, Tony. I've heard a lot about those terpenes. And it was just super intense. It was just like... Over the top intense. He's got a personification now, bro.

1:05:11SpeakerHe's the marijuana Don. He's in a character now. Right. Right. He didn't realize that. You know, when I first met Mike, he was actually really, really cool. You know, it's just he's, you know, I think he's trying to define himself against, you know, a sea of so many others that are, you know, no one's special if they're the CEO of a cannabis company anymore. There's only a million more like you, you know what I mean?

1:05:36SpeakerThanks, Todd. Thanks. Whoa! I'm just joking. Once upon a time, Bobo, man. You're right.

1:05:43BubblemanDid I tell you how we had ESPN come by with Ricky Williams and Sports Illustrated and do a big interview with myself and Tony?

1:05:53Etienne FontanThat was pretty cool. A little bit of normalization there.

1:05:58CamaraIt was pretty funny when... I was like, hey, Bubble Man, do you know who Ricky Williams is? He goes, no, not at all. I go, do you follow NFL football? And he goes, no, not at all. I was like, okay, well, Ricky Williams wants to talk to us and he wants to talk to us about the terpenes and take like a terp dab. And he's like, oh, okay, well, I know absolutely nothing about football, but okay, let's do this.

1:06:26SpeakerAnd basically...

1:06:29CamaraHe was really cool. He's what I call in the midst of the crossover. He is a believer in cannabis having a role in sports medicine, especially for athletes that are retired, going through arthritis and pain, and also as not just a pre-concussion formula, but something that would also allow athletes to recover faster and

1:06:56BubblemanYeah, and he was, the guy was like, he was not what I would consider what you would think a stereotypical, not that I know what a stereotypical football player is, but he was really conscious. He had studied Ayurvedic medicine. He had a level of awareness that was just, when I tell people the depths of how far this goes, most times they don't really stick with it, and he seemed to stick with both Tony and I as deep as we went.

1:07:21BubblemanHe just seemed to have an understanding.

1:07:26Etienne FontanHe very much has an understanding. He's been a patient for years. He came to BPG, I would say, about 10 years ago. And it was actually kind of funny. I'm a Saints fan. He used to be on the New Orleans Saints. And after he was traded to the Miami Dolphins, that's when he started into cannabis. And I was working one day, and one of my employees ran upstairs, couldn't breathe, literally hyperventilating, and was like, ATN.

1:07:57Etienne FontanAnd it eventually came out that Ricky Williams was downstairs registering. So I was like, really? Let me go see. And I go downstairs and he was downstairs and he was registering. So I was like, okay, I'm going to go sit on the side and wait until he's done registering and I'll talk to him. Well, back at the old BPG location we had a comedian on. And she was going through her routine and as Ricky came through the actual...

1:08:27Etienne FontanFor an office there, he sits down and just watches the comedy for a second. And literally the comedian goes, show of hands here, has anybody ever been to Texas? And in the back of the room, Ricky raises his hand.

1:08:47SpeakerShe goes, okay.

1:08:48Etienne FontanAll right, has anybody been to the University of Texas? He raises his hand because he used to go to the University of Texas. So he raises his hand and then she goes, who the hell are you, Ricky Williams? And he goes, yes ma'am. And the comedian's just like, oh, oh, well, welcome, hi, how's it going?

1:09:17SpeakerAnd everybody's laughing.

1:09:19Etienne FontanAnd I went over to him and I said, hey, Ricky, I've followed you, needless to say, for a while. Can I smoke a joint with you? And he's like, totally. And I sat down and smoked a joint with him for about 15 minutes and he was the coolest. Absorbed everything because he was still learning back then. So he was absolutely learning. We gave him a volcano because he was really into healthy vaporization.

1:09:42Etienne FontanAnd he went on his way as happy as a clam. Really cool guy. I knew it was him also because I looked out the window and he was in an orange H1 Hummer. With Miami Plate. I was like, oh, that's a real football player.

1:09:56SpeakerCan I just interject? Who the fuck expected a comedian at the pot shop in between check-in and buying your weed?

1:10:06Etienne FontanThat's the BPG experience. That was a great thing because back in the old location before we were evicted by the feds, we had a front office where we had seven different volcanoes set up so all the patients could sit down and vaporize. So, It was also a smoking lounge, so people could smoke their joints as well as smoke pipes. You could rent a pipe or rent a bong, et cetera.

1:10:25Etienne FontanSo everyone's sitting around smoking pot at their table. So it's not unusual to have music or have comedy happen to go on at the time.

1:10:33SpeakerNot usual to have comedians at a pot club. No, not usual. I see them at coffee shops all the time in Amsterdam. But I will say this. I'm sure the jokes are a lot funnier after you hit the dispensary counter.

1:10:46Etienne FontanOh, for some of the comedians that we had, needless to say, you needed it. And Gaia what?

1:10:55SpeakerOkay.

1:10:56CamaraI wish I could go into a center that's like, okay, register ID, sign a few waivers. Have a seat in our room. We'll bring you some popcorn and some ginger ale as the comedy show begins. You can roll up your joint. You have a rig right over here if you want dabs. And then after like a 30-minute comedy show, we get an introduction video of like the whole center and what's going on.

1:11:18CamaraA good couple hours before I can get in and get into the mood of picking out my medicine. Right. We got like a whole show. That wouldn't be bad. It's not bad.

1:11:28Etienne FontanHey, I want to give a shout out to Dope Magazine. They did an article on Hash Church that Todd provided pictures for, but we're quoted in it. But just to give a heads up in the end of this recent issue of Dope Magazine, it's an actual Hash Church article because apparently we're spreading the word and it's pretty effective.

1:11:48BubblemanVery cool. Very cool to see that. I also have a shout out to Give. Vince Noir hit me up today and let me know that one of the UK's hardest working activists, Chris Bongchuffa Baldwin, sadly passed away last night after many illnesses. This man was a stalwart of UK activism and would you please give him a mention on Hash Church today if possible. He will be sorely missed at every event in the UK.

1:12:15BubblemanSo we're thinking about you Chris Bongchuffa Baldwin, all the great work that you did. I hope you're in a better place now and you will be missed in the community my friend.

1:12:26Etienne FontanLet's blow some smoke in honor.

1:12:29BubblemanBlow some smoke in honor. I think that's a great idea. And I sure appreciate all you guys showing up so early. My goodness, it is not easy sometimes to make it on to Hash Church at 8 or 9 in the morning.

1:12:45SpeakerHow have you been enjoying spending it?

1:12:49BubblemanYou know, I fell asleep, and I woke up at 3.58, and Hash Church was supposed to start at 4.00.

1:13:00SpeakerHow was the overall event, Mark? How did you like Spanibus? What was the attendance like?

1:13:07SpeakerWhat's that, Todd? How was Spanibus? How did you like the actual event? How well attended was it?

1:13:14BubblemanVery well attended. Wonderful event. I mean, if I had just gone there with my bubble bags as usual... I might not be as stoked, but because we sold 60 plus tickets to the Terpene Party and over 100 tickets to the Legends Party, that was a really nice thing. I kind of feel like it came for the parties.

1:13:36SpeakerTodd, one thing that was interesting was that we saw 60 seed chops. I got 57 different seed catalogs.

1:13:46BubblemanHoly shit.

1:13:47SpeakerWow, that's a lot. That's incredible. So 56 of them all have the same stuff? Yeah.

1:13:56BubblemanMulti-poly hybrids. Multi-poly hybrids for everyone.

1:14:03BubblemanNo shortage of the multi-poly hybrids.

1:14:08SpeakerWas there anything at the show that stood out? Did you see any new technology or products that you just had to have?

1:14:14BubblemanDid you? Me neither. No, I wouldn't say so. I think that...

1:14:21SpeakerThey don't have drone trimming machines yet.

1:14:23BubblemanWhat the fuck? There was trimmer machines there.

1:14:27CamaraOh, yeah.

1:14:29BubblemanOh, yeah, what was the quote of the weekend?

1:14:31CamaraYou can lead a man to a... A horse.

1:14:34BubblemanNo, you can lead a man to a... A wax membrane.

1:14:39CamaraOh, no. You can lead a man all the way to...

1:14:42BubblemanThe waxy glandular tricone membrane.

1:14:45CamaraYeah, but you can't get them to believe it.

1:14:49BubblemanYou can't get them to believe it. We basically had a conversation with a kid named Ben at the terpene party who decided that he believed Hashashin... Was actually the wax membrane, and that there was no wax membrane at all, but that it was a hash machine. And we just kept saying, but it's not, it's a wax cuticle. And he was like, well, let me see a molecular makeup of it, because I think it's hash machine.

1:15:10BubblemanAnd I'm just like, first of all, you probably only heard that word on Hash Church like two or three weeks ago. How are you doing, Mark?

1:15:20BubblemanOh, Mark's got no sound. What's going on there? You know about hash? What the hell does Hashashin mean? Hashashin is one of the degraded terpenes that has recently been produced in cannabis found. Mark Scaldone was the one that brought it up. Yeah, it was a maricine degradation, I believe.

1:15:37SpeakerCorrect. Who named it?

1:15:40BubblemanGetting Mark's audio working.

1:15:42SpeakerWho named it Hashashin?

1:15:44BubblemanI'm not sure, but I bet you Mark would have.

1:15:46SpeakerIs it a real name or did we just make that shit up? No, no, it's a real name. It's a real name, dude. I guess humans made up everything actually when you think about it, right? Jesus Christ. Okay, there we go.

1:15:59BubblemanYeah, exactly. Pretty much. Well, hopefully Mark can get his mic working and tell us what's going on at his class because I know he's teaching his hash class right now.

1:16:09Etienne FontanHey, you saw Rob. Did he? Yeah, I got a picture of Rob on Facebook the other day. Oh, that's right.

1:16:15SpeakerBest buds.

1:16:18BubblemanThat's awesome.

1:16:21Etienne FontanHash science, baby. Still can't hear you, Mark.

1:16:26BubblemanYeah, I'm not sure what's going on with Mark's mic. Having some chocolate pudding there, Tony.

1:16:34Etienne FontanSo what time is it there in Barcelona?

1:16:37Bubbleman5.21. Legends of Hash starts in 40 minutes.

1:16:43Etienne FontanSo are you bugging out in 40 or in 15, 20?

1:16:48BubblemanI'm not sure how long I'm going to be able to make it there for. I'm kind of even afraid to leave the apartment. I got the chills and the sweats and the headache and the achy bones.

1:16:57Etienne FontanAll from the cigarette smoke?

1:16:59BubblemanOh, yeah, dude. It set me right off. It's like radiation poisoning is what it literally feels like.

1:17:07Etienne FontanAnd it's hard to go anywhere in Spain without it.

1:17:10BubblemanOh, everywhere I go. The minute I walk out on the street, the first breath I take will be an inhalation of radioactive tobacco smoke.

1:17:19CamaraCan you imagine what Carrie would be like? Fuck.

1:17:28HoratioSam, I got a question, and maybe Camara's still here. Like, for instance, I have a set of seeds called Silver Skunk, but then when I read on the description, it said, may express roadkill phenotypes. Like, is there any time where the multi-poly hybrids end up spitting out, like, something more original? Like, almost like the black sheep of the family ends up actually being closer to... A landrace genus than the multi-poly hybrid, does that happen often?

1:17:59SpeakerOf course. If you're breeding and you've got a multi-poly hybrid and you breed it to itself, it's going to express, it's like growing F2s, it's going to express its original makeups in varying degrees.

1:18:19HoratioSo is that like an actual better, like if I'm hoping not really for what they're selling but for it to spit out something more original, should I lean towards any kind of seeds that are either saying they're F2s or anything that pretty much in the description says it may express really radical phenotypes?

1:18:39HoratioI can only sprout so many seeds, I'm not you, so it's always like I'm looking for a trick to reduce wasted life.

1:18:45SpeakerThere are no shortcuts.

1:18:53SpeakerNo, numbers, it's a numbers game Horatio, it really is.

1:18:57HoratioThat's what I fear when you have like, everything I have is like, hey dude, I bought you two seeds and like I hope this makes it and I'm like, oh god, I'm going to end up responsible for a piece of crap or I better hit the jackpot. Everything is like that, this better be a jackpot seed or I'm maintaining a piece of crap for my life.

1:19:20BubblemanWell, someone says I take the anti-tobacco opinion way too over the top. Well, I would say... You don't take it far enough. I don't take it far enough. I will fight for someone's freedom to smoke cigarettes. I really would. But not to smoke them right beside me in an enclosed room. That's all.

1:19:39Etienne FontanYeah, why should you put up with toxicity? I mean, come on. Especially forced, you know, radioactive isotopes suspended in tobacco being blown all about you. You know, what the fuck?

1:19:51SpeakerI personally agree with Mark. I absolutely would fight for their right to be able to poison themselves with tobacco. But I don't want it.

1:20:01BubblemanYeah, I don't want to breathe it.

1:20:04HoratioIt's crazy that I puff so hard and I agree. I'll smell it and I'm like, I don't understand. How the fuck did I smoke that so hard for 14 years and in two weeks it makes me want to vomit when I see someone smoking their coffee with it? And I still puff nicotine, but tobacco carries something fucking deadly because even I'm like, yeah, I don't see myself surviving in a room of tobacco smoke and I'll want to go outside and hit my vape pen.

1:20:33SpeakerRight.

1:20:36BubblemanIt's trippy.

1:20:38SpeakerI get totally nauseous when I get to Amsterdam and I'm around my friends. I mean, I love them, but them smoking tobacco, it really does affect me. I'm so fortunate in California that we don't have indoor smoke or we have indoor smoking bans because it's just so much better to be able to walk into these places, especially at night, nightclubs, bars, whatever, and be able to breathe.

1:21:00SpeakerTrue.

1:21:01JohnnyI've been smoking for over like 15 years and I can't beat around the bush. Thank you for watching.

1:21:21BubblemanI didn't inhale any second hand smoke yet today.

1:21:24SpeakerIn fact, Mark, it drove you so insane that next thing I noticed, you were drinking alcohol.

1:21:29BubblemanYeah, exactly. We were trying to clean my pipe with vodka, and one of us left a full glass of it, and I thought it was water. I went to take a sip. Spit that shit out like you wouldn't believe, man. That's fucked up. I can't believe people smoke that shit and drink that shit. What fuck kind of world are we living in here, people? Jesus Christ. They call that shit ethanol.

1:21:51BubblemanDon't drink that shit. You run your tractor with it.

1:21:56BubblemanYour tractor.

1:22:00HoratioI'm the only one that can relate to that.

1:22:05BubblemanFuck. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. That's too much for me. You guys would have laughed anyway. Spitting the vodka out.

1:22:18BubblemanShould have lit it. Oh yeah, it lit alright. I felt like my mouth was on fire.

1:22:28Etienne FontanDid you ever drink alcohol, Bubble Man?

1:22:34BubblemanI never drink alcohol.

1:22:38BubblemanI thought it was water. I was like, shh, hold on. Except when I'm cleaning my bong. Yeah, well, you know, everything's fucking closed in Spain, so I wasn't able to buy isopropanol alcohol, so... I might be going back to Canada with a very, very dirty bomb. We'll see what happens.

1:22:55Etienne FontanYou fly out tonight? Tomorrow.

1:23:00SpeakerWell, if they ban you from your own country, you can always come stay with me.

1:23:03BubblemanOh, very nice, very nice.

1:23:07BubblemanYeah, sure. It's funny.

1:23:17BubblemanWhat's going on with Legends? Legends is happening here in a half an hour. It will start. I'm probably going to have to shut down Hash Church in the next 15 minutes or so so we can potentially get down there and organize it, bring all the t-shirts. I don't know how long I'm going to be able to be there for. I really don't, but I've got to make an appearance for sure.

1:23:43HoratioAnybody pre-charging with like 1,000 milligrams of CBD so that they can look like they have the ultimate tolerance? I don't think so. I think I heard, it was at the year Greg Gardner brought a CBD strain in, like, everybody, it was some cup, and everyone was like, I can't believe you fucked my high. I couldn't get high the rest of the night. And I always wondered if someone would bring, like, a killer CBD, like, melt that would just fuck everybody's high up.

1:24:11BubblemanYeah. So that's the legend's shirt anyway. Smells a little like vinegar.

1:24:16SpeakerXL.

1:24:16BubblemanWow.

1:24:20BubblemanYeah, it probably is, yeah.

1:24:26BubblemanNo film allowed at Legends. That's right, we don't do cameras, we don't do social media. It's part of the vibe of Legends is the fact that you're forced not to use your phone, you're forced to stay in the moment, you're not allowed to smoke cigarettes, you're not rolling shitty joints, and doing all these nervous habits that pull you out of the moment. You're forced at Legends to be in the moment.

1:24:48BubblemanAnd it's kind of one of the things that makes it a bit of a special evening where we're not really bombarding you with the name of our event, we're not bombarding you with flyers and companies, and we're not trying to promote anything to you other than just to have a really lovely evening with some great people.

1:25:03SpeakerTo me what really makes it special is when you can see people like Wally Duck from Australia take a big giant hit and fall down right on his head.

1:25:13BubblemanYeah, that is definitely a special... Special moment in time. Wow.

1:25:21Etienne FontanYou're sounding rough there, Marcus. Dude, I'm rough, bro. I'm dying here. I'm dying at you. We're all dying, just we're not there yet.

1:25:38SpeakerAnd he's a lot better than he was earlier this morning.

1:25:41Etienne FontanYeah, I've gotten better, if you can imagine. Did you take anything or are you just waking up and getting some terps in you?

1:25:48HoratioGet some pine terps to clear you up. Get some like, yeah, real pine-solly terps up the nose. Maybe you'll start running and loosen up. True enough, true enough.

1:26:07HoratioTony, give him a dab of Vicks VapoRub. Straighten him up for this party real quick.

1:26:13CamaraYeah, he's not been in a good mood. Not so good. Since this morning.

1:26:23CamaraHe's had his last leg, you know? Everybody has a...

1:26:27HoratioWait, is it time for the cayenne pepper snort?

1:26:30CamaraThat probably would help him.

1:26:32JohnnyDo we have any cayenne pepper here? I said to snort, there you go.

1:26:38CamaraHe goes, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not snorting that shit. I like that stuff. He could snort some cayenne.

1:26:45SpeakerCayenne? Cayenne pepper. That sounds hot.

1:26:48BubblemanSounds like a pounding headache to me.

1:26:52CamaraHe could snort some bit. There's my morning dab. Really? Yeah, that would probably really mess him up. What's Mark doing over there? He's got a new picture of himself?

1:27:10HoratioScaldone?

1:27:11CamaraScaldone. He's got like a professional picture or something.

1:27:13BubblemanGo back to his class, I think. His mic wasn't working.

1:27:17CamaraYeah, but look at his picture. It doesn't have any glasses.

1:27:19Etienne FontanWell, he's in professor-teacher mode, so he's trying to... Oh, okay, okay.

1:27:23CamaraProfessor Scaldone.

1:27:25Etienne FontanCome on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:27:27CamaraDistinguish Mark Scaldone.

1:27:29Etienne FontanCome on, Tony. You don't have a headshot yet?

1:27:33CamaraI think I do. I just don't ever use it. There's a picture of like an egg... You know, that's about as good as you're going to get.

1:27:44SpeakerWhat came first, the mark or the egg?

1:27:50CamaraThe egg, right? I just want a picture of an egg in a soup. An egg in a soup. Humpty Dumpty. That's an egg in a soup. That is an egg in a soup. That's pretty close. That's what I am, Humpty Dumpty. So we've got to get this party started, though.

1:28:15JohnnyYou guys have a great Legends of Ash.

1:28:23Etienne FontanYeah, it sounds like. How many people are going to be at Legends?

1:28:26CamaraProbably 100. Well, there was 100 in what? How many people? How many people?

1:28:37Camara110? Yes.

1:28:38Etienne FontanDo you have enough Terps left to get through that?

1:28:43CamaraNot really. Everyone that's coming probably has a lot more than I do. I just have a little bit left.

1:28:53CamaraI know as of yesterday at Spanavis there was more people that had more Terps than I did. Yeah. For sure. Just different people are like, oh yeah, I got that one, I got that one, I got this one.

1:29:03BubblemanIsn't that like Redcon Belize?

1:29:04CamaraYeah.

1:29:05Etienne FontanPineapple Cream.

1:29:07CamaraYeah.

1:29:07Etienne FontanSo people are going around with all their own Terps as well, so that's pretty interesting. Yeah, no, they all have their own. They all have their own. That's a lot. What was the most unique Terp that you saw, Tony?

1:29:20BubblemanHuh?

1:29:21Etienne FontanWhat was the most unique Terp that you saw?

1:29:25BubblemanEvery time someone talks, you have to push on their mic or it'll just stay on you. Okay. And it'll record just you. Oh, my God.

1:29:31CamaraYep. Holy cow. And usually people are doing this and they're not. Wow. Okay. I got the 101 over here on how to run Hash Church. All right. He's running the show. I'm running the show. If you say anything, I'm clicking on you and it's recording you. Your expression was pretty funny there.

1:29:48SpeakerYou were like, whoa. Realizing the responsibility. I got words in there.

1:29:54CamaraAlright, so can you repeat the question? The responsibility is large. Repeat the question.

1:30:01Etienne FontanWhat was the most unique terpene that you saw there that made you go, oh shit?

1:30:07CamaraOkay, so far there was one cheese rosin that was presented to us that was very floral, very different. To the point where I had to question if it was like next to a dryer sheet. It was just very floral and it was not. Just a really good rosin of this cheese. So I would have to say that one so far.

1:30:38Etienne FontanYeah, was it real cheese?

1:30:43CamaraWell, you know, there's a lot out there on the cheese, so we've been calling it the queso.

1:30:47BubblemanYeah, the queso. The queso.

1:30:48CamaraThe effenthal. What did you call it?

1:30:50Etienne FontanThe emmental.

1:30:50CamaraEmmental.

1:30:53Etienne FontanOh, right, because they trademark cheese, right?

1:30:56CamaraYeah, exactly.

1:30:59SpeakerNobody should live with a trademark. You can't trademark variety names like that. You can register the variety, but you can't trademark the name. They've already gone through this in Holland. They've already gone through this in Holland. A couple of the seed companies tried to do this a few years ago, about 10 years ago, and they had a big court case, and the judge said, you can't own White Widow.

1:31:17SpeakerYou can own Greenhouse White Widow or Dutch Passion White Widow or Whatever, White Widow, but you can't own White Widow. I think there's some LPs up here in Canada. I didn't hear either of those. You guys are both dark.

1:31:30JohnnyI was going to say, I think there's some LPs up here in Canada, like Tweed and a few other companies trying to claim claims to certain strains, too. So it's interesting what they're doing.

1:31:42SpeakerYeah, we'll see how well that works out once the DNA information starts coming in. I mean, you can register varieties, but you can't. You can't, you can, I don't know. Even, especially ones like in the LPs in Canada. I mean, it's a market that was created in a thin air after there was already a huge amount of public domain information. You can't just come in, like, I can't come in and say, I own Blue Dream.

1:32:06SpeakerYou know, it's like, you can't do that. It's already public domain. And not only that, even the fact that, like, these guys like Big Buddha, whoever, are trying to, you know, are trying to claim plants or Trademarks on genetics that aren't even theirs to begin with. I mean, I think everybody should just boycott all that shit. They're not trademarking genetics or trademarking the name. No, but he took the...

1:32:32SpeakerHe didn't find that plant, right? Somebody else found that plant and they called it cheese and he got a copy of it and started making seeds. You can't claim ownership of something that you... He's not doing the seed, the plant. He's doing the name. And anybody can do that any time. I don't think it'll last. It's a mark that's already out in the public domain that people are using.

1:32:58SpeakerWhen I went up to go see him, me and Tony walked up to him, and the first thing I said to him was, hey, last week I developed and released a new variety. I've got good news and I've got bad news. And so he says, what? I says, well... Thank you for watching.

1:33:36Etienne FontanSection of the market and claim it as your own because you... Well, this is what we're starting to see and this is where, you know, we as the overall...

1:33:44SpeakerI didn't say it was moral. I said it was legal. Stay on top of this because it's... I don't think it is legal. I don't think it is legal. I don't think it's that marketable. And it's non-enforceable. And that's the real crux of the issue. You can go around claiming all sorts of land until somebody invades you and kills your wife and family and kids and takes it over.

1:34:05SpeakerSo realiztically, I don't think a lot of these assertions are going to be enforceable because just what he said, it's already in public domain and you're never going to take it back. Yeah, there's publications going back like over a decade using the word cheese and people marketing products under the name cheese. There's all sorts of public domain, you know, proof of public domain, proof of prior use.

1:34:28SpeakerI mean, one part of it that pisses me off is the greed, but you know... The other thing is, it's just not going to work. And it shows a lot about the type of people that are going to try and do that. Lawyers will tell you anything. Lawyers will tell you that they will patent anything for you, they will copyright anything for you, and they will charge you $300 an hour all the way through the process.

1:34:50HoratioIs it a publicity stunt? Like, in other markets, this would be a publicity stunt because it puts their name on the map. In discussion, even if it's not enforceable, it seems very cheap to have the entire industry discussing you.

1:35:06Etienne FontanI don't think they were intending that everybody was going to be discussing that. They sent out cease and desist letters to people saying stop using this name, you know, and people then went into panic mode saying oh shit, I gotta cease and desist, what the fuck, and then send it to lawyers. So, um... You know, I think it's one of those things that I thought they thought they could probably get away with, but now that it's spilled out into the open community, it is definitely, people are calling them out for it.

1:35:37SpeakerI kind of blame the lawyers. You know, what Kamara is saying is, I think, true. They'll take your money, they'll lead you on, they're practicing law, they're cashing your checks, and then when they fail... Later on, which sometimes is years if not decades later, what they filed for you is unenforceable and shit, then you're the one that loses. They build up your hope, they make you think you've got a winning case, and the truth is you don't.

1:36:01SpeakerAnd I think a lot of people in the cannabis industry are going to see that. Yeah, well I kind of think that let those people spend their money and they deserve to waste all their hard money on lawyers fees.

1:36:15Etienne FontanWell, Tony and Sam, it had to be the talk of Spanibus because it had just spilled out, and I know stoners love to talk, and that's the most recent thing, so what was the general consensus there in Spanibus regarding this cheese situation?

1:36:30CamaraWe were pretty skeptical. No, no, I'm muted. I think he gave us a pretty good answer, though.

1:36:37SpeakerYeah, but most of the general population are skeptical. They don't like big business. They don't like people who are going to monopolize. And he's a good target.

1:36:48Etienne FontanYeah. A big target, literally.

1:36:53JohnnyChad said it was filed October 24th. Big Buddha Trees is trademarked. I mean, it's SEO limited.

1:37:04SpeakerWhat's the territory? That's the question. Has he patented it in the UK? Did he patent it in the EU? Did he patent it all over the world or the US or wherever? You know, you can't, you don't own a mark because you register a mark in Netherlands or the UK. It doesn't mean that you own that mark in the rest of the world. Can I bring up something and this is really I think also the next crux of the issue is we're having a global conversation now and the courts do not support intellectual property in other countries so people can be listening to this in Thailand or wherever the fuck they are and they can run with any of the ideas they hear up here because there's almost no way, there's no long arm of the law that's going to go from an American court Somewhere in Europe where somebody's popping out seeds that fall under whatever name they heard on whatever internet show they were listening to.

1:37:58SpeakerSo, I mean, look at GG4. Gorilla Glue 4 is the perfect example. You know, Jonesy, he came up with this plan. He released it to the world and let people start using it. Thank you for watching.

1:38:37SpeakerYou know, this is back in the 90s initially when I got OG Kush. It wasn't OG Kush. It was just Kush. And the reason I showed it to Rob is I thought it was the wrong thing to call it after growing Hindu Kush in Amsterdam because it wasn't leafy. It didn't look like Hindu Kush. It wasn't really a Kush. So I had the question like, hey, is this a misnomer?

1:38:58SpeakerAnd, you know, back, but they started calling it OG because everyone else started calling it Kush after Kush became popular because people found this good pot named Kush. And it was just an evolution of naming, if you will, that we're seeing all the time. You know what I mean? Because once you make a name popular, people want to then copy the name and pretend like everything's Kush when it wasn't.

1:39:23CamaraYou remember what happened with Paris Hilton though? She tried to trademark that's hot. So right now you can't say that's hot cheese. And so what's going to happen with that's hot or what's going to happen with cheese is what happened with that's hot. Remember everyone said that's hot and then Paris Hilton said, I own that's hot. So hot. That's hot. And then nobody said that's hot anymore.

1:39:44SpeakerBecause she made it instantly very uncool to say it. But is that true? I didn't know she did that.

1:39:51CamaraYeah, so you can't say that's hot cheese, and you can't say cheese, and you can't say that's hot. So the new word, con queso, and emmental.

1:40:06HoratioI just trademarked macaroni cush in the chat. Will that hold up in court if I just go that route with the macaroni cush? It tastes like yellow and orange.

1:40:16CamaraWe're going to have to get the big boys upstairs involved.

1:40:21SpeakerIs it Macaroni Kush or Macaroni and Kush?

1:40:27HoratioI fucked up and now someone's got Macaroni and Kush and they've capitalized and they've got investors and they're about to wipe me out.

1:40:34Etienne FontanDoes it come with a little packet of terpenes in it?

1:40:38HoratioThey're powdered terpenes. They use that same stuff as the alcohol shit so that it's stable. Don't dab it.

1:40:47SpeakerYou know, I want to say this, it's a funny thing, because I asked Arian a long time ago why he put his name on some of the strains he had, and he said, it's the only way I can keep my competitors from taking names I make up, because they sure won't put my name on their menu. And I laughed, and I went, wow, that's actually the best reasoning I've heard yet.

1:41:06SpeakerYeah, that's pretty funny, I've got to admit. Yeah, and he was right. I mean, they're not going to stick his name on their menu, no way.

1:41:14Etienne FontanWell, he paid all those lawyers and lost the case, so he had to realize that, okay, well, if I can't actually deal with naming, and the law specified it has to be greenhouse, so he went with his own. I think he spread his brilliance there.

1:41:30SpeakerYeah, I know Shanti and Ben Dronkers went through a little bit of this with the Mr. Nice variety. So, I guess they did... Oh, did they do the dance over that? Yeah, a little bit. I think a little bit. There was a discussion about it at least, but that way.

1:41:50SpeakerSo we're going to have to start calling Skunk One Sam Skunk One just for... I'm releasing Verzura Indica and the McCormick Kush next week, so...

1:42:07SpeakerI bet you that McCormick name is tied up in Herbs and Spices pretty well. Yeah.

1:42:14Etienne FontanSo it'll be Todd Kush then, right?

1:42:22SpeakerOh no, no, no. No, we're going to call it the Odd Kush. There you have it. The Odd Kush, that'd be fine.

1:42:30BubblemanAt least I'll chuckle. All right, guys. I hate to do it, but I've got to pull the plug. We've got to head over to Legends. We have ten minutes to make it. And thank you guys all for showing up once again. It was a short Hash Church, but we pulled it off, number 77. And hopefully I make it to Legends, and you guys get to hear about it afterwards.

1:42:50BubblemanThank you all for your time and energy, and have a wonderful Sunday, guys. Thanks, everyone, for watching. We'll talk soon.