Cannabis Regulation and Prop 64 Debate

0:02BubblemanGood morning and welcome to episode 105 of Hash Church. Very nice to have you all here with me. We're going to go live here and I'm going to do my morning ritual of making sure I mute the YouTube. Boom, there we go. Muted that little bad boy. Sure everything's taken proper care of. Oh, I seem to have lost. Ah, there we go. There we go. All right.

0:28BubblemanSo I'm going to invite our crew up. There's an invitation for Mr. Chimera. I will do an invitation through Facebook, which is a good one because it gets about 25 people invited in. And then I will make sure that I go and I invite Mr. Subcool as well as Mr. John Davis, our good friend Indra. And there we go. Just like that, we have almost 300 people in the room, which is really quite incredible.

0:55BubblemanI got to give it up to you guys to be up on a Sunday morning. I know not everyone is living in North America where Sunday morning comes early, but also thank you to all you people living in Europe and Asia and all around the world where it's not the morning. Good morning, Etienne. Good morning. And how are you doing this fine, fine day? I see you have your earphones on.

1:16BubblemanI think I'm going to put mine on. All right. Yep. Welcome, Sam.

1:22SamHowdy.

1:24Etienne FontanHey, John. Welcome, too.

1:27BubblemanWelcome, John.

1:28SamGood morning, guys. We're here in Saskatoon looking out the 18th floor.

1:35Etienne FontanNice. All right. There we go. Hey, how's the weather there in Amsterdam, Sam? Is it toward the colder side already?

1:43SpeakerNo, it's been super nice the last week or two, but today it's a little bit drizzly and gray. We're getting liquid sunshine.

1:54BubblemanLiquid sunshine. Welcome, John Davis, Mr. Indra, to the room. I don't know what your picture is today.

2:06Etienne FontanLooks pretty trippy, but you're muted if you're talking.

2:08BubblemanIt's orange and red. It's orange and red and kind of looks like a cat face squished into like a grape.

2:15SpeakerNo, it's an egg yolk with blood in it.

2:18BubblemanThere you go. There you go. What if it's a trichome head? It's really yellow.

2:24SpeakerIt's been super nice.

2:29BubblemanOh, John's got YouTube on. You'll have to mute the YouTube chat there, Mr. Indra.

2:35SpeakerLiquid sunshine.

2:36BubblemanGood morning, Todd. Good morning, guys. Hey, nice shirt, ATN.

2:44BubblemanOh, I had someone message me today. They were curious about my opinion on 64. It was something about the worry of growers not being able to grow enough plants.

2:59SpeakerThey're going down, bro. You know what, though? This is the thing. I mean, I don't know what to say about it. I mean, I can't imagine outlawing alcohol for the masses so that small groups of moonshiners would be able to get high prices for their, you know, whiskey. It just, to me, doesn't make sense. Well, that's, we call that progression. Todd, you know, they want price supports.

3:24SpeakerRight. Right. They want price fixing. Bring back the SWAT teams. Bring back the flak jackets. We want the battering rams. It's the only thing that kept the prices high enough to make this worthwhile. Take away the kids. Break up the families. That's it right there.

3:40BubblemanBreaking up the families. That's the big one.

3:42Etienne FontanLet's just keep status quo and people getting arrested and going to jail because, you know, that's what we're all about here.

3:47SpeakerBut I mean, I'm making them guys money, ATN. How are you going to dog that?

3:51Etienne FontanWell, there are... I know, it's like I don't have a business or anything in cannabis and could potentially lose my business medically, you know, whatever.

3:59BubblemanBut still, I got into this for the simple reason that people shouldn't go to jail for a plant, so... Well, I'm not even from California and I get told all the time that I support this because I'm in business with like evil people and I'm like, I'm not in business with anyone that's... I just... I think it's a good idea to get our foot in the door.

4:17BubblemanDo I support OMA64 for exactly what it is? No, I don't even know exactly what it is. What I support it for is to get that door cracked open a little bit, give Californians something other than medical to defend themselves with, and hopefully see less families get broken up with people getting put in jail and kids getting taken away and whatnot.

4:37SpeakerIt's really obvious what Prop 64 is. Monsanto is trying to take over the cannabis industry. First, they're going to legalize pot for everybody to trick everybody into thinking it's okay. And then once they got everybody hooked on it, they're going to sell them GMO cannabis. Whoa, that's great, man.

5:00Etienne FontanJust like GMO cell phones and cereal. We need to start a website then. This is perfect information, people.

5:07SpeakerAll right, here's what happens when you grow... Please don't connect my name with it. Morning, Todd. This is what happens when you grow a non-GMO tomato. That is a slice out of a beefsteak tomato that was grown in my garden right where my cat pisses all the time. And when I sliced that slice off, my cat's face was staring back out at me.

5:31SpeakerIs that the cat piss tomato strain? We used to have a cat piss strain in weed, so. Yep. Yeah, you remember cat piss? That was a long time ago. Dude, I love the cat piss. Wow, that's funny as hell. Wow, that goes back a long time if you remember cat piss.

5:47BubblemanWell, I published an article, or not me, Mark Emery published an article in Cannabis Culture that I did years ago, and it was just some powdered bubble I had, and I was just sitting with some friends, and they're like, well, how do you press it? And I'm like, well, you know, all these people with their techs and this, that, and the other thing. I'm like, well, here, I'll show you.

6:05BubblemanAnd I took a lighter, and I fanned it over the top of the resin, and then I stuck my finger on it, and I went like this. And I did that about five different times to five little pieces, and then I put them all into a nice bar. And it's just a beautiful golden bar of hash. If I even showed you the picture, I would almost, you'd be like, oh, I did see that picture of hash.

6:25BubblemanIt's sitting on one of Marble Slinger's little glass jars and it's, I mean, it is a full-blown money shot and it was the cat piss because the powder was white. The hash itself was white and when I just gave it the lightest little, you know, flash with the lighter, it would bubble on top and so I took a series of photos showing that and getting it pressed into this beautiful block of hash and It was the cat piss that I did it with.

6:53SpeakerYeah, you know, somebody just asked if it was a strain of haze, and I would say no. If anything, it was kind of diesel-y in all reality. It definitely had a pugnant smell.

7:05BubblemanIt had a pugnant, almost fuel-y, piss-y smell that could be construed, and some people were like, oh, is that a haze? But it's like, no, it's not a haze. It's more like a...

7:15SpeakerI smelled cat piss in a few of the haze clones also.

7:19BubblemanInteresting. Well, that's what, that's where I think they got it. There's this one, maybe it's terpenoline or something going a little, going a little off or something, but I appreciated the smell for sure. Yeah.

7:29SpeakerSomeone else just mentioned that it was ammonia. And the truth is, is when we used to get brick weed and it used to smell like ammonia, it means it's starting to rot. If you smell pot that is actually smelling like ammonia, don't smoke it because it's really at the first stage of rotting.

7:44Etienne FontanYeah. We used to get the Canadian stuff. No offense to you wonderful Canadians, but back in the 90s, They would cut it early and package it wet and ship it to the United States. And then by the time we get here, you always had to judge it by how you cut into those bricks and what the actual scent was. Because if you got the musty, that cat pissy smell, exactly as Todd said, is already degrading or anaerobic decompositions taking place in the bag where the oxygen is actually attacking and eating the crystals in the bag.

8:11SpeakerListen, my friend.

8:13Etienne FontanDid you say attacking and eating the crystals? That sounds so evil to a lot of people. Well, remember, light, oxygen, and heat are the three enemies of our crystals, right?

8:24BubblemanListen, I used to have to go through with different groups of people and teach them about hydrometers and how you could measure the moisture content of the bud and what percentage was too high to seal that shit up for like, you know, seven or ten days because it would do that, it would turn into a mold puck if there was enough moisture.

8:46SpeakerIt's not only the moisture level of the cannabis, it's also the temperature of the room it was packed in. It's called relative humidity.

8:54BubblemanYep. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Definitely a big nightmare. People used to lose a ton of butt.

9:02SpeakerYou package it in a really hot, humid environment like Southeast Asia, for example, on a hot day, and then you take it to any place cooler, and it will condense moisture. Well, I have a good friend that lives in Washington, way up by the border to Canada. And he has some friends over in Canada who grow some pretty sweet bud. And the way they get it across the border is he keeps horses on his side for months and he feeds them oats and so forth and so on.

9:36SpeakerThen he takes them across the border and gives them to his friend in Canada. And he loads them up with hundreds of pounds of this good pot and lets the horses go. And they just wander back across the border and go back to where their home corral is at. And voila, horses smuggling good weed from Canada.

9:53BubblemanYou know, and I can honestly say that is absolutely true and there are even more mind-blowing methods. It got crazy here in the 90s when so many Americans started showing up with like, I'm talking millions upon millions upon millions upon millions of dollars to buy cannabis. It was really quite a wild, wild west time to be around because I mean, there were just so many people with cash to buy pounds and there were just so many ways to get those pounds to where they were going and it was pretty amazing.

10:25BubblemanMark, did you ever see it when the Beavers were moving it? The craziest one I seen that had nothing to do with beavers, I like the idea though, was wood, was like giant logs that they would hollow out and fill those up with and then send them over with the log jams, which were huge, huge log jams that they would just tug down over the border. It was like good luck looking for weed in there.

10:47BubblemanThere were dudes doing it with submarines. Many dudes doing it with planes and many people doing it with helicopters and trucks and cars and people carrying it over the border in their backpacks. That was a special in the Kootenays because if you grew up in the Kootenays and you were a young dude that knew the surrounding forests, you knew the trail that went down to the U.S. that went right into Spokane or into Missoula.

11:13BubblemanI'm not sure exactly.

11:14SpeakerIt's actually Cannabis Osmosis in Action.

11:18BubblemanYeah, we are the carriers, that is for sure. The same way birds eat seeds and shit them out. Man, we were packing RVs up with that shit and it was going out.

11:31SpeakerThat's where it's supposed to go. Well, that's where it's supposed to go. Yeah. Somebody can burn it.

11:36Etienne FontanWell, in the early 90s to mid 90s, I mean, a lot of the fresh cannabis on the East Coast was nothing but, you know, Canadian for the most part, unless you knew somebody who was a grower, et cetera. If you were just on the standard purchase, that was it. So you had to literally learn to watch out for that cat piss and that, you know, that rot all the time.

11:57BubblemanWell, and also, you know, there was always the integrity of the buyer. That was a huge part of this situation and it was really, you know, because obviously no matter how terrible you grow cannabis, if no one's buying it, then you don't have a marketplace. But if they're buying it to resell it, That's a major problem, which is really how BC Weed went from being so great in the early days to just all the integrity just went down.

12:26BubblemanPeople stopped drying it. They stopped curing. They stopped growing it to fruition. They started bouncing it and taking the... The resin off before they sold it. Just a nightmare. Really a perfect example of why you kind of need to be regulated somewhat because that was an open system that started out so great. It started out wonderful with people really like, yeah, let's grow the best herb that we can.

12:51BubblemanAnd then suddenly it was like, yeah, well, you know what? I'm not here buying for Manhattan or LA. I'm here buying for You know, Oklahoma or whatever. And then all of a sudden it was like the quality was like, yeah, they don't need the best in Oklahoma. It's like, no, they need the best everywhere. What are you talking about? They need the best everywhere. So much bounced garbage, such low integrity.

13:13SpeakerIt's just the supply and demand. I mean, I think that how much of that market now has shifted to Colorado, Washington, California, Oregon, all these areas have gray markets. People don't want to talk about it, but until we see legalization in the rest of the states, you know, all these people opposing Proposition 64 are still going to have an opportunity to be outlaws, to be blunt. Yeah, and the way osmosis works is if cannabis is cheaper someplace, it will get to where it's more expensive.

13:44SpeakerIf cannabis is higher quality someplace and there's a demand for it, it will get to that demand.

13:51Etienne FontanAnd it will maintain that high price until, as we say across the board, it's legalized. Because each state, even with its own laws currently, legalization states or medical states, Thank you for joining us.

14:23Etienne FontanFor cannabis, because even though it's quintessentially legal medically, there's no recreational access and their narrow definitions in those states that it is somewhat medical are so refined that it's impossible to even find cannabis to purchase legally in those states currently. And those are exponential. It's not small. So

14:44SpeakerRegulations across the board. That's because what you're really saying is we need equal rights in industry just like alcohol has equal rights in state to state.

14:52Etienne FontanWell that's why we created the National Cannabis Industry Association so that we could start to have a voice and we wanted to reach out to not only just the people who are producing but the ancillary businesses that have been ignoring us for generations. The light companies, the bong companies that have all lived Thank you for joining us.

15:28Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

15:46Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

16:01SpeakerWell, you don't need 10,000 lobbyists. You need one lobbyist with $10,000. You need more than $10,000.

16:08Etienne FontanLike I said, it's $1,000 per meeting, but that's not a lot of money if you think about it to get access to a representative to actually discuss your issue. And it's actually changed the discussion. It's how we ended up currently with the law that we have that says that the feds can't Thank you for joining us.

16:44Etienne FontanBefore the Rohrabacher Amendment actually won and actually passed suit to where it actually held the legislator or the DEA from actually using that money to prosecute people in legal states.

16:57SpeakerAnd then they still ignored it, and then they still ignored it, and it took the 9th Circuit Supreme Court to affirm that they had to follow the law.

17:05Etienne FontanThey still don't. Well, we're fighting it, and I'm fighting it in my set of the court, and that's the eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, people, which means that you're going to have to stand up and fight for whatever you believe in at some point. And so this is my fight, and this is the fight I've chosen. And so my little fight, such as when I sued Diebold, was for every person to have the right to look inside every voting machine.

17:30Etienne FontanDiebold said, fuck you. I said, no, we have that right. If I hadn't, you wouldn't have that right today. So I saw that ability and took it and ran with it. Same way with cannabis. We saw that if we started lobbying on the federal level, we would see change. And we are. We are seeing change. It's just not as fast or in the time that we want.

17:53Etienne FontanSo that's why we need federal legislation to actually take the heat off these other states that have no legislation or these states Like Louisiana who have a completely unworkable medical marijuana laws currently that allow for you for defense. But if you're a patient, congratulations, you find out you have cancer or whatever and you want to try and go find cannabis. You are still left going on to the black market trying to find whatever you can because there are no access points playing end of story.

18:23SpeakerSo that was a long time ago in San Francisco. Dennis Perrone called that the miracle ounce. Thank you for watching.

18:49Speaker500 grams is what I thought it was, but we could all have different numbers. I thought it was 500 grams in a coffee shop.

18:55Etienne FontanIt shows even in that legal supposed regulated market like itself, it is still left to those restrictions and those people are allowed to have to store their Thank you for joining us.

19:32Etienne FontanSo you have to wonder what the actual legality of your medicine is to add to the stress already of your medicinal situation.

19:38BubblemanAnd here's a question, Etienne. Is that something that you guys also have to worry about for pharmaceutical drugs? Or when you're getting a pharmaceutical prescribed to you, is it federally legal to take that to any of the states?

19:51SpeakerWell, it depends. Like if you're a vet, you can take it anywhere for absolutely fucking sure. But ATN, I want to point out to you that anecdotal evidence points to the fact that the more money you throw at the government these days are at a problem, the faster you get things done. The reason that alcohol, tobacco, and all those other people get legislation pushed through isn't because they sent one guy there with $1,000 to arrange a meeting.

20:18SpeakerIt's because they sent a guy there to offer them Hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars to get their legislation pushed through and back it up. That's what's going on in the country. The country's for sale. Our congressmen and senators are peddling influence like there was no tomorrow. It's the same game that's been going on for a very, very long time. Nobody has backed off of it and the only people that are backing off in the government at this point in time are that appear to have woken up but really truly that's not the case.

20:49SpeakerThey're backing off because they've got into the income stream. They're starting to see money back from this one way or another and most of your congressmen and senators are They are only going to support this when they can see a way to channel the revenue stream. And right now, that's difficult. They go with the political wind and the reality is there's been so much inertia and support behind cannabis that a lot of politicians I think are getting to a point where they're realizing they don't want to come out so vocal against cannabis because you're going to basically exclude all these voters that are pro-cannabis.

21:28SpeakerAnd they're starting to look at us Thank you for joining us.

22:01Etienne FontanWe started to see this change. And yeah, I wish we had the millions of dollars in that, and there's no way we'll even reach that type of status. However, due to the failure of 19 and the success of Colorado, Washington, Alaska, and Oregon, it has completely changed the discussion because every month there's statistics coming out from either Washington or Colorado saying Thank you for joining us.

22:35Etienne FontanStates that have laws that could possibly change either medicinally or recreationally this November, just in the next couple of months could see a significant change. Over 25 would put over 50% of the United States in the medicinal characterization and could put very strong states like California in the legalization game, which is significant.

23:04SpeakerCan I throw this out there? And I think that for a lot of us, this has been about getting the information in front of people because the truth is infectious. And even if you are somebody that is against legalizing marijuana or is taking kickbacks from the pharmaceutical, alcoholic, fucking, you know, petrochemical companies, as soon as cannabis steps on your toes and your family, Subcool? It causes you to react and it causes you to realize, you know what, maybe I was wrong.

23:35SpeakerHey, Subcool, what's up? I got to say hey, man. Good to see you in here, man. What's up, bro? Yeah, dude. Welcome, brother. Yeah, go, Marco. But you can. One thing, man. And Todd, you know, you say the truth is infectious, but I don't think so. I think lies are infectious and the truth will eventually make itself known. Well, you know, I totally don't disagree. Look at how far the propaganda from the 30s has gone related to cannabis, for sure.

24:08SpeakerBut, you know what, I'm a product of the Emperor Wears No Clothes and Jack Harris, so I feel that that book had a huge fucking impact on cannabis prohibition. Because everyone that read that book had their mind blown and almost got turned into a very passionate cannabis activist. And that's what I mean when I say the truth is infectious. And I have had conversations with politicians, with judges, with cops.

24:33SpeakerAnd they've listened to me and really had their jaw on the floor because they truthfully didn't know the history, didn't know the safety, didn't know the effectivity. And this is what I mean by when I say that, yeah, I agree with you that lies have had a lot of long legs. But the truth about cannabis is what is bringing the prohibition down. Because now we all have little smartphones and we can punch in the word hemp in Wikipedia and it changes our perspective incredibly.

25:00SpeakerI mean with the fuck up of typing in H-E-L-P into H-E-M-P enter, you can have your whole world changed if you sit there and read. Yeah, but you've got a lot of people who will sign on, go and check out what are all the negative effects of pot just as well. Oh yeah, I know, but don't you think it's changing, John? Don't you think this is what got us to where we are today?

25:23BubblemanI think you guys are both coming from different perspectives saying the same thing. And I can see both of your perspectives so clearly that it's interesting, you know, John is probably twice your age. He's lived a much longer life and been around a lot longer, but you're a very unique person, Todd, coming from a very unique place, almost in the core, in the calm before the storm, so to speak.

25:49BubblemanAnd I just think that you guys are both saying a very similar thing that, yeah, the truth is infectious in the sense that it always comes to light, but the lies seem to be the most promoted. And when you say the wind blows via the votes, I also can see that, but at the same time, it's like, John's statement of saying that politicians are going to only focus their attention on that once they can start seeing revenues or benefits or at least not seeing just their old revenues cut off and no new ones showing up, I think that's extremely accurate as well.

26:22BubblemanPoliticians are not in this just to do well.

26:26SpeakerListen, right now the liquor industry is spending a fortune against marijuana. The liquor industry is. And they've spent just recently over $500 million on anti-pot ads. And believe you me, the senators and the congressmen who have been getting their pockets stuffed by the guys who make alcohol, Are not going to change the horse in the middle of the stream unless it looks like the other horse has got some serious bags of cash tied to its ass.

26:56SpeakerThat's reality. Totally. I want to say hi to Subcool if you don't mind. What's up, Subcool? Welcome. Thank you for joining us. I really dig that you're on this today. Thanks, man. I had a really crappy internet connection forever, and I just got that fixed, so it's nice to be joining you guys.

27:12BubblemanI want to welcome both you and Marcel, and I want to thank you guys for contacting each other prior to the show so you could wear the similar hat. I think that's great. Marcel and Subcool in the house.

27:27SpeakerWhat I wanted to say was I have a unique perspective, I think, because I still have family in the South. And I thought one of the neat contradictions when I came out with, well, my mother has always been anti-cannabis, being in the Deep South. But when my book was published, it was really cool. She embraced the book and she put it on a coffee table. And I thought I was past something.

27:49SpeakerAnd then a few years later, I was talking to her on the phone, and she's like, well, do you still use the pot? And it was so ludicrous. Number one, I don't smoke very much because of my lung situation. But yeah, I eat cannabis every day of my life, and I always will. And my point was, that is a tide of 110 years that we just have to deal with.

28:10SpeakerNo one in my family, even my brother, who might have a puff when he comes to the West Coast, He's not a proponent of cannabis legal in this country, and it breaks my heart.

28:20BubblemanAnd his brother is like the Pablo Escobar of cannabis seeds.

28:24SamGuys, I want to point out some things that we're missing. You guys were just mentioning that these organizations are resorting to advertising. I mean, that means they're coming right down to the hash church level. Thank you for joining us.

28:58SamThey've had it locked down for so long.

29:00SpeakerWhy would you say they're coming down to the level of Hash Church? I think really what you meant was they're finally rising up to the level of Hash Church. Because Hash Church is busy enlightening people and not pulling the wool over and dispensing bullshit and keeping them in the dark.

29:18SamWhat I'm saying, we're fighting with information and providing information. So they're having to come to us and provide counter information in order to keep their hold at the top where the laws are.

29:30SpeakerIt's just the way you said it when they're going to come down to the level of Hatch Church. I wanted everybody out there to think Thank you for watching.

29:59SpeakerThat's true, but words are powerful. You say the wrong words, people get the wrong message, that's all. And I'm not coming down on you, I'm just saying, hey, I think we're at a more lofty place than that.

30:14SamWell, what I'm saying is the power is in the people. So they're actually fighting for the hearts and minds of the people as we are. So they're at the level of not being above us talking down. They have had to come and meet us at the actual point where people decide what's true and what's not. That's better. The power is in the people.

30:37BubblemanWhether they know it or not, they created this system and now it's working in our favor. And back in the day when the media was more like a mighty oak tree that came from one single source, nowadays our media is like little blades of grass and we all have these little blades of grass in our hands and they can mow down 500,000 of us but there's five more billion of us right over there and we can just show up.

30:58BubblemanIt's like this unbelievable ability to share our information and Josh Church is a part of that. Mark.

31:05SamWe were talking about the people. The politicians peddling influence like 10 minutes ago.

31:14Etienne FontanRight, but we've changed hearts and minds because remember originally they said we were lazy, then they said there's no medicinal value, and then we saw that there was, and then we have since had science and anecdotal evidence prove us wrong. So they dismissed us out of humor, not realizing that we had a serious agenda, and fortunately over time, And unfortunately because so many of our relatives get sick and we know so many people who have been touched by cannabis, at least in the states or locally where we are, that it shows us the need desperately to break through.

31:47Etienne FontanAnd so I think by having states like Colorado and others that are showing financial, they are breaking through in ways and in the discussion that we could have never had in the past. So it's a great series of change in dynamics because If we didn't have the millions of dollars or the near billion dollars to the state of Washington that they're talking about this year, you know, those other states wouldn't really be considering it.

32:15Etienne FontanBut when they see that amount of money potentially for their states, again, they're looking off of the rosy red prohibition eyeglasses, but we know the ancillary realities. It'll affect the prison systems there. It'll affect all those ancillary businesses.

32:31SpeakerAll of those realities. Fiscally conservative people. I mean, this is the thing about the drug war. It never made sense because it's really not a tenant of fiscally conservative policy. It's a waste. And this is what I've never understood. Every time I've debated a conservative, I've always brought this up. This is a waste of money. You're creating an element, a group of people that don't pay taxes, circumvent your income laws, circumvent your banks.

32:55SpeakerWhy would you do that? Why wouldn't you want to regulate it? Wouldn't that be the conservative approach? You have to understand, Todd, the elite are looking at us like a house full of mice. They step on one mouse and they think, oh, I got rid of the mice. And then bang, there's two more right away. And then they step on those and then bang, there's a few more.

33:15SpeakerAnd that's how they look at it. These little stopgap things where they use the rules and certain laws and enact new laws are all about the same thing. And it's the whole entire reason that they are against this. And that's because of control. It loses them some control. And control is the main issue. There's nothing else. Not money because they print money. Thank you. Thank you for watching.

33:57SpeakerThe other thing is they don't want, the reason they don't want us to bank or anything is because that'll get this money, all of this marijuana money into the banking system. And when that happens, then politicians can start taking fucking checks because you can't walk into a politician's office with that suitcase full of money and give it to them like you can in most of the other countries of the world and used to be able to do here.

34:20SpeakerBut now you got to write them a check and it's got to go to, you know, maybe to a charity that they, Thank you for joining us.

34:57SpeakerThank you for watching.

35:09SpeakerThe fact that they have to call the exterminators in once in a while. To them, that's a-okay. They don't want to see that money, that pot money, in the political system because they know it will disrupt their entire thing. It'll get rid of the obstructionists. I would love to point something out that you're saying is that all of these growers and producers that are opposing 64 bother me in the sense that in the 20 plus years I've been at this, I've never seen any of the growers kicking money down the normal.

35:37SpeakerTo put in money for an initiative to do it right. You know, what they've done is actually just ride the fucking pony of profits as long as hard and they can. And ignoring the fact that their brothers and sisters and family members were being lost in the jails behind them as we accumulated up to 2 million fucking pot prisoners. And no one came in and saved them.

35:58SpeakerNo one came in and stopped it. No one took that great amount of pot money and used it to do good. That's why we need a union. We need a fucking union and one that is strong and one that people can buy. Well, you got one, honestly. What he was saying earlier, what the National Cannabis Industries Association truly is, is that union. It's just that now what's happening is it's groups of businesses coming together in a sense like BPG, not trying to call you out, ATN, but this is when you have businesses that are started around a conscious objective to put principles over profits.

36:30SpeakerAnd that's not the American system right now. No, the American system is work that circus donkey until it can hardly stand up and then put it away wet. It's true, but we all know, John, that there are for-profit companies that act as beneficial corporations. When I spoke at Woodstock, of all people that joined us was Kenneth Cole, the fashion designer, and when he walked out on stage and said, Kind of blew my mind because I came from a hippie area where, you know, people take vows of poverty and they think that's cool.

37:02SpeakerAnd he walked out on stage and he said, don't take a vow of poverty. Take a vow of wealth and then give it away. Help society. Do good for your community. Use that energy to do things like feed people and shelter people and help people that can't help themselves. That's powerful. And I was kind of blown away because his message was wealth is a responsibility and you have to use it well.

37:24SpeakerAnd I thought it was a great message.

37:43SpeakerWell, the National Cannabis Industries Association has now grown to over a thousand dues-paying businesses that are nationwide, that are cannabis industry people, that are trying to pull together, network, and do what the pot people, the growers, couldn't do. Because back then, when I was just a grower coming off my farm, to hang out with Subcool and to talk about our business was a fucking conspiracy.

38:05SamIt wasn't lobbying. I think that's what the glassblowers bring to the table here is overall the glassblowers have a lot of desire to see positive change and we spend our time like, you know, our art form actually creates positive change when we go and we hang out and we throw parties and stuff. So like, you know, there is an avenue here for all this, you know, and it's actually activating against these You know, the pot money going into the art form of glass blowing and the glass blowing in the pot creating community bubbles and pockets of like, you know, productive, positive change.

38:45SpeakerSo I think... One of the biggest problems they have in my industry with the seeds is the over-regulation of the industry. I mean... It's just hypocrisy that a seed that's grown in Colorado is the plant, the genetics from that seed are never supposed to cross state lines or go anywhere else. And they're creating a counter industry. I mean, Do you think that the state line has a wall on it and it's going to stop people from doing what they do?

39:11SpeakerSo we've got cottage industry popping up all over. Jill just had to move to Oregon and set up shop in Oregon just so we can sell seeds. And they even control the fonts and the different type of size we can have. They're like, okay, you can't use your seed packs. You have to make something that's fitting in state regulations. And in our industry, that is really what is soaking up a ton of the profit.

39:33SpeakerIt's like they're making the business so complicated to do that they're making it hard for us to do legally within their auspices.

39:42BubblemanWorse than that is the after effect of what happens when they do that, Subcool. What happens is someone finds a cultivar of yours that they can use as a medicine.

39:55BubblemanWe're going to talk about some of the things that we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about some of the things that we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about some of the things that we're going to talk about today.

40:24SpeakerWe found out that CBD cannabis tincture, just a couple of drops every other day, and the kid reduces it down to a couple of drops. Now, he's lucky that his family has a little bit of money, but they actually bought an apartment in Colorado, so they would have an address, so they can drive to Colorado five times a year and get their damn kid medicine. And you shouldn't have to go through all that to save your damn kid's life.

40:46Etienne FontanI agree, and we have the same problem in Nevada, Subcool, is if we want to do any type of advertisement, we have to send it to the state first for approval. So these consistent roadblocks in the way, even though we have breakthroughs, you think, in these states where you have a certain amount of legality, I agree, the restrictions are, they're overreactive because this is still so new and this is the frustration that a lot of people, a lot of the pioneers have seen in those states is, you know, the utopia that we hoped for as we see gets highly overregulated and we have to trudge through these very unfair and frustrating situations.

41:28Etienne FontanSo that we can arrive at the reality we want to, but they definitely make it challenging and extra difficult for sure.

41:36SpeakerAnd I apologize. Have y'all discussed the cash issue on the show before? To what degree? Go right ahead. Well, but basically in California we have an issue. So as a business, I have to fill out a W-9 saying that when I make an income and I have to report this to the federal government as income. But I can't take the money and put it in the bank.

41:58SpeakerNow, luckily, I am a small business. We're actually a handcrafted seed business. But I go and collect it to have seven or eight safes in the back of the building, stuff full of money. This is creating, I mean, you know what it's creating. It's creating a damn theft trap. Danger. Everybody that rides by a dispensary knows the dispensary is full of cash. Yeah. You start to see thefts in L.A. a lot.

42:21SpeakerWell, this is part of where I think that the conversation has to go towards getting treated with equal rights. This becomes an equal rights issue. We need to demand equal rights of the wine industry, tobacco industry, pharmaceutical industry, like that shit that Oakland proposed a couple weeks ago. You guys all saw it. They wanted to own, get this, 25% of every cannabis business that got a permit in Oakland, and they wanted a guaranteed seat on the board of every single cannabis business that got a permit in Oakland.

42:48SpeakerImagine them doing this to Oracle, or Apple, or Microsoft, or any other business, a liquor store, a gun store, an aquarium shop. It's ridiculous. But this is the kind of shit they think they can do to us in the cannabis world because whatever, they think they can push us around. So in my opinion, we really do have to organize more than we ever thought we did, and we have to demand equal rights in this industry, in all industries.

43:14SpeakerWell, again, they can push us around.

43:17Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

43:39Etienne FontanI'm a funny motherfucker, but again, the reality is, these are the type of realities that you face. You want to play in this ball field, they're going to continue to play unfairly, and we still have to take it, take it on the chin, and then turn back and take it again on the chin, if you're going to survive it. So, very thick skinned.

44:00SpeakerThank you for watching.

44:22SpeakerAnd that's just it. We're stuck in a corner. We're kicked around because we're like fucking orphans. We don't have any pull or any say anywhere because we're not together. This is one of those situations way back in the beginning when they said either you're going to hang one at a time or all together or something like that. And I think that's an apropos statement. It fits in quite well here.

44:44SpeakerYes, Sam. Yeah, but I think it's over, John. You know what? They tried hanging us and we were resilient. You know what I mean? I showed up to prison on time in a suit smiling, you know, got popped out and went and made movies. So I think we're breaking the system in all honesty. But there's 1,999,000 other guys who didn't have that same experience, Todd. Not everybody has that.

45:03SpeakerHey, look, you know what? And I'm not discounting it, but the system's breaking it. You're watching the laws crumble. You're watching the freedoms. You know, look, the drug war is failing on every measurable count. You have to acknowledge that. But when you ask that question to the DEA, they will tell you that the drug war is doing fine and they're winning. I mean, I was just on their site not long ago and saw...

45:26SpeakerBut that's only rhetoric. That's only propaganda. You don't believe what you read on the DEA website and I know that. I'm just pointing out to you that, you know, it's a matter of what angle you're looking at it from. I would expect nothing else from them considering the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs back in the 30s taught them how to do it. And we've all been parroting their propaganda for decades.

45:48SpeakerThat's really what we're fighting against. My favorite quote, I'll let someone else talk, is, the greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. And I think that is the root cause problem of all of the drug war. It's that propaganda that got instilled in people as seeds. They think that's the truth. And they're totally against learning, in a sense, what it is we're teaching them.

46:15SpeakerBut reality, cancer experience is just destroying the drug war. At least in my opinion.

46:21BubblemanIs the drug war failing? Absolutely. Are they slowing down the supply and the flow of drugs? Absolutely not. Are they funding themselves to the tune of billions of dollars by pillaging from drug users? Absolutely yes, and I think that's why they think the drug war has been a great success because maybe they have taken more than billions of dollars from us at this point. I'm not sure, but it's...

46:45BubblemanFrom the measurement of pirates, they have killed it.

46:48SpeakerThey have taken so much from us. They have robbed us. They have jailed us. They have built industries around us. And while they stand around sipping their whiskey, smoking their cigarettes, laughing at the irony. So everyone watching this should be appalled. Listen, the state of California has stolen property from so many people. It's not funny. I can recall some years back, one guy on the coast, an older guy, had a beautiful spot that the state wanted.

47:19SpeakerIt was like a few thousand acres, and it was from the coast inland quite a bit, and it was farther south. Anyway, this DEA jackass... Thank you for watching.

47:50SpeakerAnd some guy just kicked your fucking door and they shot him dead. And then they confiscated the property. And the people, the relatives are still dealing with that shit that the state of California just grabbed a couple of thousand acres of this pristine property because not one pot plant, not one seed was found there. John, the wife sued the government and got the property back. And she camped out on that property.

48:18SpeakerIt's the death of Donald Scott. It was over Ventura, Malibu. I used to live in LA and we used to use it as an example of egregious policing because they used the marijuana plants as an excuse to go in there and absolutely try to steal that man's property and they murdered him in his own fucking bed. And it's a horrible, horrible story. That's not a dead story.

48:38SpeakerI mean, there's more stories like that happening. You've got, you know, the thing that has to trickle down is behavior by the police department. The people upstairs in the police department actually okay all this shit or those guys wouldn't be doing it on their own. I mean, you don't take the responsibility for doing the kind of shit some of them do on your own unless you know you've got somebody backing you up.

49:01SpeakerAnd the guy backing you up is the police chief, and the police chief's being backed up by federal guys. And so they keep doing this stuff. They go in, they raid, they shoot people, they kill people.

49:13Etienne FontanDon't forget, they seized their properties and steal them, and that was this case, Donald Scott's case, that was an attractive piece of property that the police wanted, and they literally killed him for it.

49:25SpeakerWell, it was actually the Department of Parks that wanted it. You're absolutely right, John. It was locals. Correct. It wasn't federal at all. It was local. That's absolutely true. One of the most egregious things I've ever heard a cop tell me was, my bus were a good while ago, before the modern movement really took place, but when they came in, I had a simple small grow and personal, and I was so egregious because I lived in a place where the crack and the meth and all these horrible drugs were really prevalent in the campuses and stuff, and I simply made the comment, I was like, you know, why are you fucking with me, a peaceful person?

50:03SpeakerI'll never forget the comment, he goes, Because you're not going to shoot at me. You are an easy target. You are a lamb for slaughter. And that was literally the way he felt about being in my home. And they treated my home like a 7-Eleven. You know how it is. They take what they want to take. Change your name to Escobar and they won't do it again.

50:22SpeakerYou're exactly right.

50:25BubblemanYeah, it's pretty messed up. So what, just to, not to completely change the discussion, but to kind of change the discussion, I was wondering if you could give us a little sort of update on what's going on in the world of sub.

50:40SpeakerWell, yeah, we're really expanding. I mean, as I mentioned, we have the organ division going on, so that's really cool. I'm running the California division, so that's really nice. And California is very unusual right now. And you guys know, I'm sure you guys have talked about OMA. Lots of people are for OMA. Lots of people are not for OMA. One of the things with us is we actually have a very small, our medical grow is under 5,000 square feet.

51:05SpeakerSo we're not one of these big giant nurseries or one of these greenhouses you can see from Google Maps. So we're very conservative in that. But, you know, I was going to tell Todd earlier, I've always wanted to tell you this, he might not know this, that, uh, You actually inspired me. So at the time I was on this little site called Overgrow. And because of the way you were so brave with the government and everything, I said, you know, I got an idea.

51:27SpeakerIf I make about 10 million fucking seeds over the next 10 years, and I give about 10% of them away and I distribute the rest of them, I'm probably going to make a movement really hard to stop. And so to this day, we have over 25 new testers. CBD testers and stuff. And any veteran, any sick child, any needy family that can send me a decent letter with some simple English that I understand they're not trying to con me, we simply send them free seeds.

51:54SpeakerAnd that's become really my mission in life. I'm not a wealthy, wealthy man, but I'm not a poor man, but money does not really bring happiness to me in my life. I love it when you say that. I mean, back in the day, that's what I was always trying to push with the San Diego Compassion Club. I used to say that I don't think it's about capitalism, it's about compassion.

52:14SpeakerAnd are you going to wait until your son or daughter gets cancer for you to open your eyes and react to the reality of other people? One of the funnest things we did in California, this year we had a drought, but last year, we did a Grow Online, we put it on YouTube. We grew out one of my strands called Cuvée and we got 18 pounds and we took it and we converted it to cash and then we went to Target and we bought toys for kids.

52:38SpeakerAnd we dropped off the toys at every dispensary. And then we challenged all the weed nerds, that's the people who follow me online, to go out and buy toys. So some of these shops ended up with like $30,000 worth of toys to give out to the cannabis community to needy families and stuff. And this kind of grassroots help is, It's what I feel that what a company like mine can do.

52:59SpeakerAnd I'm not going to go lobby Congress with millions of dollars. That's a good way to undermine the politicians' plans. I like that. We should all be funneling money towards charities, towards doing good things in the community.

53:14Etienne FontanAnd we've done that at Berkeley Patients Group for decades now. That's one of the things that we saw early on was that charitable giving And philanthropic locally is beyond enriching as well as the community support that you build is exponentially huge. When you start donating to your libraries and when they have no money and they can actually go buy new books and provide them to the kids, when you can actually support youth programs for boxing, et cetera, so that you can provide alternatives for these kids, you know, we We have donated to nearly 50 different charities locally and will continue to because we have seen that leading by example and by giving back because of the nonprofit status it is here in California currently.

54:00Etienne FontanIt has been beyond enriching. We've contributed to Parents for Paw, which is a group that supports children who Our parents are incarcerated in jail currently. Mickey Martin runs that, and we've been supporting them for years. So when they just had a recent going back to school program, we were able to buy new shoes, backpacks, school supplies, and then Christmas comes around, same thing. They get brand new toys and things, and they get support where these kids are in foster homes because their parents are in jail or they're with their grandparents.

54:36Etienne FontanBecause they're a mother and father in jail currently. And those grandparents are doing best they can with what they have. So they need support. They need outside help, unfortunately, because this drug war goes so deep on so many levels that it's not just at the local level. We've got to think a little bigger because we still have to remember our federal brothers and sisters as well.

54:59SpeakerWell, you've got to think national. Thank you. I appreciate it. Act local. That's the story. We can't act nationally. We can only act locally. What you're doing in 10, that's very spiritual. Let me tell you a saying I heard a long time ago from a wise man in India. Spirituality, one drop of milk in a Thank you for joining us today.

55:53SpeakerAnd then I think we can make some forward momentum happen in this. But, you know, we got to keep putting those one drops of milk in those buckets locally everywhere.

56:04BubblemanYes, I agree. I was always I was really inspired and it wasn't the 18 pound. Thank you for joining us today.

56:25BubblemanIt was a toy drive that you did and you had talked about it and I was like, well, this is good because I had taken the perspective of like, look, do good but don't tell people about it. And then I saw you talking about something you did good and I was like, well, people need to hear this. This is how they'll get inspired to do good. I mean, if they hear him talking about this, it's how can you think anything bad in that agenda when it's like, man, he just did a really good thing for a lot of people.

56:49BubblemanAnd so I did not miss that myself, Sub. It's one of the many things about you that inspired me as well.

56:57SpeakerThank you. And shout out to just the local, one of my local shops really went above. Some of the shops just found like local families and dumped loads on them. The one shop in particular literally wrapped each gift like, Each remote control car, each doll baby. And as the Fannitti family came in, they presented that gift to that child. And so it was so personal. It made me cry.

57:19BubblemanYeah, that's awesome. I think it's a great idea. And I think that people, if you're watching Hash Church, and we know we're about to get into this season of giving here soon, what a great idea for maybe even Hash Church to try and be a part of, to do some sort of a good food drive, a toy drive, whatever kind of drive we can do. I love the idea and I'm definitely down with donating my time and my money and my energy for such a good idea.

57:45BubblemanHey, welcome Tony.

57:48TonyHey Tony. And I'm down for that too, Mark. Hey, how's it going guys?

57:53BubblemanOh, hey Johnny B. Holy smokes, I didn't even see you there, dude.

57:57SpeakerI'm just hanging out in the background here in the shadow.

58:01BubblemanWow, well, welcome, dude.

58:02Etienne FontanAll silhouetted and shit.

58:03BubblemanYou know, I thought I saw that we had two Johns. I'm spacing it, bro. Sorry, man. Welcome.

58:09SpeakerYou okay, Tony? You look a little blurry-eyed this morning.

58:13TonyOh, I just, um, I've actually been trying to catch up on a little bit, I guess, time off, vacation time, so I slept for... Three hours? Yeah, no, 13 hours. Wow. I actually feel good.

58:27BubblemanDamn, a month's worth of sleep.

58:30SpeakerNever get to sleep. Good morning, John.

58:35BubblemanOh, I think he just gave you the finger, Indra. Good morning, John. Get the thumbs up, by the way.

58:42TonyYou know, I was a little bit, I guess I'm a little bit sad because the, I keep getting harassed in this new place that I moved into that this lady keeps smelling. Cannabis. And they keep trying to tell me that it's illegal. And I said, it's illegal to smell cannabis. And they're like, no, no, no, it's illegal. I'm like, it's illegal how? And maybe Todd could chime in on this.

59:06TonyI'm trying to look for some help in Oakland. But I said, no, I have a script. And I have two balconies. And I use my vaporizer on the balcony. And this person, I don't understand what's wrong. You know, but they're harassing me to where I might have to move out before the first month.

59:24SpeakerDude, get one of those extremely powerful deodorizers and plug it in outside on your porch so that it's got a lavender or a rose thing going around the neighborhood. Put a couple of them outside so there's no fucking possible way unless she's got bloodhound in her DNA that she could pick up on that.

59:44Etienne FontanTony, they can't evict you for that? It's not fair, but currently under the local rules as they are, you may want to unfortunately be safer for yourself.

59:58BubblemanYou need to befriend that chick and educate her. Give her the Johnny B. Just like start sending her information, find out stuff, talk to her. Like literally make her your best friend. So the next time you have a session, she's there with you.

1:00:11TonyTurn her on. Turn her on. Turn her on, Tony. Get her going. That's what Mark said. Turn her on.

1:00:19SpeakerEducate. Just drop off random pieces of paper so you're doing something. Say, hey, you know, have you tried this?

1:00:24TonyWell, it's not the manager. The lady that's here is cool. It must be my upstairs neighbor.

1:00:31BubblemanYeah.

1:00:31TonyBut she even smelled it when I wasn't even here.

1:00:33BubblemanDude, I bet you your shit is so loud. Like, oh, my God, bro. I've shared hotel rooms with you. Are you kidding me? You're like... You got like five gallons of terpenes with the lid off. You're just hanging out.

1:00:46TonyNo, I mean, yeah, definitely. So basically it's come down to this. There's no mothership. There's no terpenes used. There's no nothing. There's like the smallest amount possible in a vape pen. And even when I was not here Friday, this lady reported that she smelled it from me. And I was like, oh, really? Friday, 730, huh? Well, I wasn't even here. So I didn't know, but you can get evicted, huh?

1:01:11TonyEven with the script and even vaporizing on my balcony, huh?

1:01:16Etienne FontanLandlords have that right. Somebody's trying to fight it in the courts and it's not looking well. So unfortunately, due to the current laws as they are, if again, if 64 were to pass, that wouldn't be an issue at all. Not only that, you could grow six plants.

1:01:37SpeakerYeah, it still is an issue even if 64 passes because local laws that will be present in every city will fuck you every time. It can be legal in the state and the county or the city where he's at says, well, you're really bothering your neighbor. So underneath the nuisance laws, we're going to do this, that, and the other two. If they want to make sure they'll find ways to... No, you can't put cultivation under 64.

1:02:02SpeakerYou're wrong. Hold on, wait a minute, you're all kind of right though, to be blunt. The reality is though, isn't this protective? If you own property and you rent to somebody, don't you want the option of being able to exercise with the activities on the property? You don't want to rent to somebody and have them turn around and have a Ku Klux Klan meeting on your property.

1:02:23SpeakerYou want to be able to exclude people for activities. Thank you for watching.

1:02:41SpeakerWell, when it comes to what Sam was saying about you'll have a right to grow six plants, even as a renter I would, as long as my landlord was not going to give me shit for it. But if my landlord came in and said, look, you can't distill beer or whatever, I mean, I think there are certain limits of what you can do. I mean, I hate to say it.

1:02:57SpeakerYou could fight it, but it's going to create a hostile living environment, and that sucks.

1:03:01BubblemanWhich is so insane when you think of it because can you imagine anyone having a say on any type of house plant that you cultivate in your home, whether you rent it or own it? Think about how far from being engaged with reality you have to be. I'm not talking about smoking or affecting someone.

1:03:18SpeakerNo, that's what I was going to say though, Mark. Don't they exclude smoking cigarettes and say, look, you can't live here if you're going to smoke cigarettes. Pop, you lose your lease.

1:03:25BubblemanAbsolutely, but generally they won't say you can't grow fig trees. Because I don't like fig trees.

1:03:36SpeakerThere's a lot of things that they'll object to. They don't want you to grow opium poppies. They don't want you to grow pot plants. There's a long list. There's dozens and dozens of things that could get you booted because you're growing it in a state where in California there's a law for everything. Really, trust me, believe me, there's every single possible thing you could come up with, there's a law against it.

1:03:59SpeakerSo here, the game is, we're being played, as I said before, just, you know, we're the kids in the corner, we've got money, go over and get it from them, find out what's happening, they don't have any rights. Everybody believes it's against the law because that's the propaganda that they put out no matter what. And they've got this other propaganda thing going where, well, 64 is going to make it so you can do whatever you want, but that's a load of bullshit.

1:04:24SpeakerAnd you shouldn't buy into it because, as I said, locals are going to mitigate the effects of that law no matter where you're at. You might just run into a place. Yeah, Todd, sorry. All I was going to say though, John, is if we pass 64, it puts us in a different situation where now we have a legal ground to ask for equal rights on. Right now, like a tobacco smoker, Even though it's legal, can be excluded as a renter.

1:04:49SpeakerBut right now, we as someone that's illegal, like he's coming from a place, Tony and I and you that have medical cannabis prescriptions only really have an affirmative defense in court after they arrest us. It really doesn't make our activities wholly legal. So that's the problem we truly have with 215. And if 64 is to pass, we do have now a legal right and we can now start trying to fight for equal rights.

1:05:14SpeakerAnd under 64, under 64, no city can prevent you from growing six plants. That's protected under 64. Right, yeah, but the landlord... All of the plants are going to get fucking... The landlord, yes, but not the cities. Well, so, I mean, the effect is what we're talking about. Who cares what the symptom thing was? I mean, the effect is landlords are going to be able to say no.

1:05:39SpeakerAnd that's going to be a huge thing. You know, you... Until people... Realize something good could come from it. Like if you had a landlord and you were doing something for them or helping some idea that they have worked out, we're going to still be running into this problem, man, because most of the people that you call the conservatives Don't see this as a plus. They see it as a bunch of hippies getting money and they might do things with the money that would upset status quo.

1:06:10SpeakerAll right. And I completely agree. What we've seen since legalization in Colorado and other states is a huge push to get our money as a demographic. So if you can have upfront conversations with your landlord and you just say, listen, I'm a cannabis user and either accept it or this isn't going to work out for a relationship for me. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:06:57BubblemanIt might freak you out to say I want to grow pot because you might have a vision of growing pot like these people that did it under prohibition and people that did it very poorly and people that ruined the home. I would like to show you what I have plans of doing and that might be some plants out on your deck. It might be a room in the house but maybe if you can show him how professional that you are and how professional electricians and bonded electricians and every proper person is going to be a part of this.

1:07:21BubblemanIt's quite different from the definition of Thank you for joining us.

1:07:49BubblemanThey just passed this law. We can actually discuss this because bottom line, whether you want to or not, we have a responsibility to change or help change the minds of the masses in regards to this plant, its safety, its efficacy, and us being able to have it under proper adult use responsible act.

1:08:09SpeakerThat's the part of regulation that I actually like a lot. In the old days, Mark, when I was up there in Canada with bad boy men, it was quite common for the police to find a... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:08:47SpeakerParking lot or whatever and drop off a pound. I mean, with the electronic microscope, I was surprised about a year ago to find out something grosser than Mike's, which is Mike shit. I didn't, I had never actually seen the crap on the buzz before on somebody else's product. But, uh, that's the part about regulation that I do like, uh, inspected grow rooms. Like you said, certified electricians.

1:09:08SpeakerUm, For the first time in the last two years, I've been actually being in contract with electricians to do work in my room and not really hide what I'm doing so much. You still got to be careful, but it's nice to say, look, I need 400 watts in this room because I'm going to grow cannabis legally. Can I say something when you were saying talking, Mark? I am in no way advocating that you show your landlord or give out your plans of your garden to anybody.

1:09:34SpeakerI feel there's two words that describe why it's called plausible deniability. And it's like why I didn't smoke pot in front of my lawyers. They wanted to be able to stand in front of the judge and say, I've never seen Mr. McCormick smoke marijuana because I wouldn't want to put him in a position where they had seen the garden, been in the garden, been part of the garden.

1:09:52SpeakerWe're still dealing with real quasi-legality here. So I would tell everybody to keep their doors locked. Don't show anybody your garden. When I was a little kid growing pot, I made up a little slogan and I used to say, if you're going to show... Anybody, you might as well show everybody, because if you show anybody, you've pretty much shown everybody.

1:10:11BubblemanI think that's a part of prohibition that will sink. I think that it's great to show your garden. I love showing and sharing my garden. I love that people have shared with me their gardens over the years. I've been in hundreds of them, if not more. And man, to me, it is the most... You're not doing that on...

1:10:28SpeakerYou're not their landlord. You couldn't kick them out of their house or revoke their lease because you got mad at them because you knew there was pot in the garden. And that's what I mean, be careful. And I'm not, I think what you've done has been cool as shit.

1:10:39BubblemanWe're only talking about renters as well.

1:10:41SpeakerWell, there's a lot of, And I think you should be up front with the people you rent from so that they don't come smell pot and want to evict you. But in no way mean show them your stash. Yeah, dude, you got a lot of predatory landlords out there. And believe me, I've heard every story there is where you go in and you're honest with them from the get go.

1:11:01SpeakerAnd the first thing they want is they want rent plus a piece of the action. I mean, this is a non-stop thing, you know. Everybody thinks that we're making fucking money hand over fist and they all want a piece of the action. I mean, if you rent to a liquor store guy, you don't rent the liquor store to him and then tell him you want a piece of the action.

1:11:23SpeakerYou don't run a drug store to those guys. Safeway, when they get places out, they don't fucking pay a piece of the action for having that spot. But yet, if you want to grow some marijuana somewhere and they think that you're going to make a lot of money, they want a piece of the action. And they're not the only ones. The number of people along the way, I mean, it's practically like swimming through one of those lines where everybody takes a swing at you except for there's a piranha tied on the end of every stick.

1:11:53BubblemanWell, it's why people embraced prohibition so wonderfully. You know, it's like, should we fight this or should we profit off of it? It was an ultimate monopoly. Only the people willing to do that illegally were able to monopolize the profit margin from it. And let's be honest, I've seen a lot of really good people involved in nothing more than cannabis get slammed so hard. And I've never been connected to anything other than the karmic debt of producing cannabis.

1:12:18BubblemanProhibition-based profits while our brothers and sisters are basically rotting in prison.

1:12:24Etienne FontanBut bringing it back around, Tony, the reality is, is you're compromised there. No matter who, as you know, you weren't even there and she's smelling pot. So you have to view it as a grow room. Grow room, somebody finds your grow room, what do you do? You gotta move. You can fight it. You can, you know, judge down that reality. But, you know, I'd rather be real with you and rather you be somewhere where you feel safe because somebody next door, you could smoke pot and then she's just going to call it on you, dog.

1:12:54Etienne FontanI mean, if you're living in an apartment complex, that's just unfortunately the reality of the situation of where you are. You're guilty by association regardless.

1:13:03SpeakerYou should fight it. You should fight it and say it's terpenes. What's she smelling? Are you got a grow going there?

1:13:12TonyNo, man. First of all, I live on the lake where the park is. I smell cannabis every 14 feet when I walk my dog. I smell cannabis from across the lake. In fact, there's a cannabis community gathering across the street from where I live. I walked yesterday the entire lake. And I probably had three people offer me cannabis. I mean, we're living in Oakland, man. Like, it's not like, I mean, just because the smell of cannabis fucking woofs into the air, I'm the guy to blame.

1:13:39SpeakerMan, we're in Oakland. There's literally cannabis growing in the museum in the middle of Oakland, man. I mean, everyone's got weed here, man. Yeah. I live on a little mountain with a bunch of conservative people, and I keep to myself, and everything's non-visual here, and I found out three months ago that there are 31 grows on the mountain I live on. There's an actual neighborhood watch. And the neighborhood watch isn't about busting people.

1:14:08SpeakerThe neighborhood watch is about keeping thieves off of everyone's property. Because anytime you have that many grows centralized on one location, you're going to have people cruising around looking for it. So I was just shocked. I mean, it's a very small community that I live in. And I would say 40% of the community here is Either cultivating for their own needs, cultivation to make medibles, cultivation to make CBD, and in some cases, cultivation for financial gain.

1:14:35BubblemanAll totally okay in my book.

1:14:38SpeakerAmen. I believe that we should have a right just like winemakers, grape growers make, you know, to make cannabis money too. I mean, the only thing is, is that I think that the whole system is going to totally change when the pot we're growing has to be, you know, twice as much as production costs, which isn't going to be very good margins and it's going to change the face of cannabis profitability.

1:15:02SpeakerAnd I think that, you know, it'll be like tomatoes. You can grow your own tomatoes. There are some great, you know, heirloom strains, but they ain't worth shit. It's because it's under 10 bucks a pound, four to six dollars a pound for organic tomatoes. If you start looking at the cost of cannabis as just double or triple the cost of production, cannabis is going to be 10, 20 bucks a pound.

1:15:25SpeakerIt's not, it's just another ag crop. I've seen the, you know, look at the photos of the 20 foot plants. The shit, it grows on trees. I mean, in some ways, cannabis was way more fruitful than a tomato plant ever could be. Keep it real. The taxes are going to be the problem, as you well know, because what we're looking at, if current law states, right now I can transport my own cannabis to my local dispensary, and everybody's happy, and my local weed nerds all love to go down there and get the organic weed that I've grown.

1:15:56SpeakerFrom what you understand, the new system, I'm going to pay 25% tax, then I have to hire a distributor. That's MRSA, right? This is the MRSA you're talking about. Exactly. Okay, not AMA. Okay. And we're screwed with this anyway, right? Because the Medical Cannabis Act thing is getting pushed through Sacramento. Exactly. It doesn't seem like we're going to be able to stop the train. Alma actually helps it.

1:16:23SpeakerIt's funny because a lot of people like Steve D'Angelo have come out and said that he's actually for Alma and against MRSA because MRSA is what's putting up these barriers, creating this distribution point that we don't want to deal with. We want to be able to be like a farm or a winery and sell to whoever we want to sell to. I think that this is going to change.

1:16:45SpeakerYou know, this is equal rights though, Subcool. This is when we start looking at other industries, we have to compare ourselves to other legal industries and point to it and say, treat us like that. Treat us like this. We don't want to be treated like the alcohol or tobacco or firearms industry. No, I'm going to be treated like a farmer's market. No problem taking my veggies down and giving them to people who need them.

1:17:06SpeakerBut right now, you know, we can't do anything like that. But even food in a way, you know what, if you go eat something, they can track tomatoes. I mean, we do it for human safety, not for inconvenience of farmers. I mean, we just want to make sure products don't have any problems or poisons. And, you know, we don't want to hurt people. In a sense, as a community, we are pretty thoughtful.

1:17:25SpeakerWe just fuck up. Absolutely. You know, I, I, and then this is where I think that like, look, pesticides and all the shit they're finding on pot plants, it, there's no place for it. Especially now that the profitability is going down and the grows are getting bigger. The poisons are being applied way quicker. Because back in the day, you know, up in Mendocino when I was up there in the summer of 94, we were growing way smaller crops and getting way more money for it.

1:17:54SpeakerSo we could really take care of those things and not have the problems that these guys are having with powdery mildew, spider mites, and every other damn thing that they could throw chemicals at. Well, you know, what you just said is something I'm seeing that actually does upset me a little bit. So me and people like you that grow and have done this for many years, I think we take a lot of pride in organics.

1:18:14SpeakerWe go to a lot of trouble to use organic pest control, biological pest control. We spend a lot of money on that, but lately when I'm in the grow shops, I'm noticing, I don't know how to say this politically, but just large, and these are workers. These aren't gurus of cannabis in here buying stuff for their crops. They're in there buying 50-gallon containers of this shit and that shit, and that alarms me because not only does it go into the septic systems here in California, but I wonder what the average Joe that's going into the dispensary is actually consuming in his body.

1:18:46SpeakerYou know, what crap is he putting in his lungs?

1:18:49BubblemanYeah. No, it's scary for sure. I've always had the same aspect of the processing and the concentrating the extracts. You don't only concentrate and extract the good. Often you concentrate and extract the bad. So it's best if you pay extra careful attention to the material that you're using in the first place. Listen, if we didn't have regulations, people just, can you imagine kitchens not having to follow food safe regulations and just doing whatever they want?

1:19:16BubblemanLike that shit would be terrifying. And that stuff we put in our mouth that goes into our stomach. This is something we actually put into our mouth and breathe into our lungs. The lungs are a much more sensitive organ than the stomach. Stomach's pretty tough. It's got some shit to take care of. Weird things that we eat. It has the ability to push things back out. But when you bring things into your lungs, my friend, they are there to stay, as I'm sure you know, suffering with the problem that you have.

1:19:47SpeakerWhat do you think a cop is, Mark? That's your lungs saying, no, no, I can't handle this, not in this quantity, not at this temperature, not this much. I mean, look, the lungs and the stomach, you can't point that and say one is more important than the other. No, I never said they are.

1:20:05BubblemanI just said they're very different.

1:20:07SpeakerEliminate either one of them and you're in big fucking trouble. Sure. But, you know, the stomach is a great way to get pot in. My Rx that I have from my doctor, who shall remain anonymous, wrote me a prescription that says on there, as needed, which means that I can run around with pounds of it with me and I'm okay. And he wrote that prescription to me based on the fact that his wife...

1:20:36SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:21:06SpeakerI hope this is going to be the first time I've done them separately because the oils that I make are so terpene rich that people can pop the lid off the bottle and go, wow, that's the RD. Oh, wow, that's this or that's that. And they know exactly just from one snip what it was. So I got to talk to you, Tony, about... About terpenes separation, because I go about it a slightly different way right now, but I'm interested in talking with you about it.

1:21:41BubblemanI'm going to set up a meeting with you and Tony and my friend Mike Bishop from Heidolf, who's going to bring you that desktop rotovap unit.

1:21:51SpeakerGood man.

1:21:52BubblemanYeah, so I want Tony to come up with him when he comes up. So it's a matter of Tony's got the crazy schedule out of everyone. He's coming down actually because he's in Portland. Tony will be coming up. So it's just a matter of maybe us all having a short conversation and we can make that happen because I think I would just love to see the Hash Church episode after you guys hang out.

1:22:12SpeakerWell, dude, I would film it or video it for one. For two, I've got a couple of, John, do you have a method of terpene alone extraction or is it terpene rich cannabinoid materials?

1:22:37SpeakerWow, I hate this shit. You know, I'm still trying to get over coming out, you know, because, I mean, in 1998 when I posted VHO, I was literally scared to death that they were going to hunt me down and fucking do something nasty to me. But they never did, and so I hate talking about it still. I don't know if it's just because of the era I come from where you keep your mouth shut no matter what.

1:23:04SpeakerBut what I do is, fuck, boy, this is just like sticking your finger in your throat and making yourself puke. What I do is I put it in a vacuum oven at a very low temperature for a very long time, and then I have a solid state cold trap. That is in between the vacuum oven and the very high end vacuum pump. And it collects the terpenes as it makes sure that the material, from treating it that way, it makes it so that it also goes in the pens quite easily and you don't need to add any dog shit like Raspberry flavor or strawberry shit.

1:23:55SpeakerIf I understand correctly, you're actually collecting the terpenes and the BHO or whatever it is, the extract you're making, then you're combining them afterwards to make a terpene-rich product. No, when I extract it, I extract it all at one shot. It's all in there. And then after I recover from it and I've got it down to about 28 inches of vacuum for a day or so, I pull it out and stick it in the vacuum oven and I turn it on at a certain temperature and let it run for 48 hours.

1:24:29SpeakerAnd in the meantime, the cold trap, it picks up the terpenes. And so then I suck them out of that with a... Small Hyperdermic, but I haven't tried smoking any of it yet because I ordered stuff from you guys and that's going to be the first time I try it.

1:24:47TonyBut anyway, whenever they... Why are you ordering that?

1:24:50SpeakerI mean, you just had a... Well, I just wanted to get ahead of the fucking game a little bit, man. You guys are talking about it all the time. I've never just had terpenes to stick in it. There's always been part of it. And so I wanted to try some and I'm supporting what you guys are doing. I mean, don't bitch too much. I sent you 95...

1:25:09SpeakerAnd I just wanted, I wanted to... What did you order?

1:25:14TonyWhich one did you order?

1:25:16SpeakerI ordered, let's see.

1:25:18TonyRed Congo?

1:25:20SpeakerYeah, Red Congo, exactly.

1:25:22TonyThat's what I keep getting in trouble with over here. I can't even put that in my vape pen. That's the one that every time I even have it in my pocket, the ladies are like, oh my God, they're just, they're puffing away. I said, it's not like I'm smoking blunts or joints. I mean, I literally have a little Omnicon vape pen. I'm like...

1:25:41SpeakerObviously, you're obviously a criminal, but hey, when you get up here, you're going to enjoy it because we're in the middle of 40 acres. The river borders the eastern side of the property all along it and it's nice and quiet and you hear the sound of the river and 300 foot tall redwoods and spruce trees surround the house and the house is built out of redwood. So you'll relax here.

1:26:05SpeakerHere you can fucking smoke your goddamn brains out and the squirrels don't even come over and knock on the door. We know you guys are really making my job easier. We just created this drink called Cherrygasm, which is a cherry pie OG times one of my males. But it's really unique, you know, when we go through phenotypes and we're doing selections and stuff. It really gets to the root of it when an extract artist makes me 90 grams of something.

1:26:32SpeakerAnd it smells like a cherry Jolly Rancher. It's very rewarding to see what you guys do with what I start as a concept.

1:26:39BubblemanSo here's a question for you, Sub. How do we get the Bubble Man brand doing some collaborations with Sub down in Cali?

1:26:48SpeakerYou know, it's not hard at all. We just need to hook up with someone that you have down here and get them some trim. It's that easy.

1:26:54BubblemanWe're more like down with buds, but I'll definitely link that up. Because, dude, one thing I can say, and as I defended you in here, as I always defend you when people try to take shots at you, that I've always been beyond impressed with the genetics that come from your seed bank. And I'm not saying that as a promotionary thing. I'm just saying that every strain cultivar I've ever grown From you has produced full melt bubble hash, like full, full, full, five plus to six star bubble hash and really, really like unique, like fruity flavors and unique just flavors that when I share it with people and I don't tell them what it is right away, they can't believe how strong the profile is.

1:27:39BubblemanSo Hats off to you for doing what you do in a way that just makes my job easier too because when people put TGA genetics into bubble bags, the result is often wonderful.

1:27:54SpeakerHey, yeah, I forgot your name. Let me hang the thing over here. I have a question for you. Subcool. Yes, sir. I was wondering, the last statement you just said a minute ago, that you were enjoying seeing what we did with something you started. I wondered what you were talking about. Well, basically, and this goes all the way back to Mark. So a long time ago, Mark told me that he really liked my Jack's Cleaner for its lemon terpenes.

1:28:23Etienne FontanOh, yeah.

1:28:24SpeakerThat probably gave me the idea. To come up with a line of, and in my head I heard fruit loops. So I wanted cherries, bananas, watermelons, grapes, and pretty much other than just a few exceptions, recently we just found a lime terpene. In one of our strengths. So that was really my goal. And it's very rewarding to go in a dispensary, a collective locally and see 15 to 20 different extracts that are made from my genetics that I didn't have a hand in.

1:28:53SpeakerAnd the descriptions are what get me off this lemon tangy or this cherry tangy or this great concoction waves over your head. And that just really lets me know I'm on target with my creations. Well, I appreciate your accolade there because every single person who's making those extracts is making them courtesy of me. Absolutely.

1:29:15BubblemanWell, thank you very much. Yeah, dude. All the good work getting done.

1:29:21SpeakerAnd Subcool, when you're doing plant breeding for terpenes, are you using some sort of analytical support? You know, not really. Some people are like that. I know my friend, Mr. Soul, is really more into that. We've been more of an experimental company. I come up with a concept, and I let hundreds and hundreds of people grow the strain out, give me the feedback, and from that we select our different cultivars.

1:29:48SpeakerThere's many strains we create. We just created a Quickies. We had the idea to take a cookies cross and cross it with Quirkle. And in my opinion, it didn't meet our mustard, our test. And so basically it won't ever pass test or ever be on the menu. And that may seem like a very raw way to do it, but I can assure you 50 of my grower friends tell me that it is the bomb.

1:30:10SpeakerI can pretty much know that it's going to be that way. And when people as talented as you guys say grow out like Jack the Ripper and everybody's telling me it's a lemon haze, it's above 20% and give me the different profiles. Well, we see this duplicated over and over again with the quality growers. The testing at the lab seems to duplicate itself. And in my opinion, that's what I would consider a stable strain, not something that's been worked for 40 years, if that makes any sense.

1:30:40SpeakerI've seen some of the Dutch strains, not beating up the Dutch, but I've seen that some of the Dutch strains, when I grew them back in say early 90s, they were much, much different than if I go buy a pack of say AK now. What I'm seeing is a stabilized, watered down version of the original. I would rather have the raw genetics and pick the phenotype I want.

1:31:05SpeakerSo AK is a bad example because I've known Simon for 22 years and serious seeds. I worked for him back in the mid-90s and he actually built his whole business on only three seed lines, Cali Miss, Chronic, and AK-47. And they were all F1s and these were plants that he actually put a lot of time into breeding before he actually, and he held a distinct mother, a distinct father, and he was the only one that could make those seeds.

1:31:35SpeakerSo there wasn't, you know, really they were very consistent. Calimist, AK, and Chronic. And he's only added a couple lines onto that over the two decades I've known him. Calimist has changed. He's changed the clones he uses. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. I know he's right. I know that Simon went to school for breeding and because obviously he's Dutch and he thought he would have a career in greenhouses because it's Dutch.

1:32:00SpeakerBut he turned to cannabis and he absolutely has. I mean, he's definitely not a stuck in the mud kind of guy. He evolves. But, you know, I think in his opinion and knowing Simon, he's only done it to make his product better. Because he has a desirable breeding. Yeah. Maybe that was the case, but I can say quite honestly, knowing the seed companies as long as I have, the majority of them have lost females that they used to make their FOA hybrid seeds.

1:32:32SpeakerAnd I'm not trying to generalize. The rumor that goes on the chat boards with breeders, because don't think us breeders don't talk among ourselves. We've been, I mean, back in the old days, we used to chat in secret rooms, so we kind of know what's going on. I've always felt that mothers were simply lost. The easiest thing to do, and I'm not downing anybody, but this is what I think goes on a lot.

1:32:53SpeakerWhen someone loses a strain, they simply grab a pack of their seeds and they crack 100 seeds and they find a new mother. And then that's how they can keep that strain because no one's going to lose a strain that has popularity around the globe. So I'm not making any accusations, but I think that goes on in the industry more than people know.

1:33:12SpeakerI would say, unfortunately, trying to keep anything alive for 20, 25 years is difficult. It's not simple, especially when it was illegal. I was mentioning earlier, to me it's a heartfelt story. Jack's Cleaner is a clone that I've had for over 20 years, but you guys know I've been in jail three times, so you don't get to keep a clone alive there. So luckily, each time I was able to get out and reestablish, good friends of mine would return my genetics to me.

1:33:45SpeakerAnd on a sad note, two of those people are now dead. So that's how long this drug war has gone on and we fought to hold these genetics. So think about how incredible it is to have a female plant alive that's just passed from grow room to grow room. You know, it might come back with mites and mildew and you got to quarantine it and get it clean and everything.

1:34:05SpeakerTo me, that's always been kind of magical and a part of the industry that I don't think anybody else to deal with. Nobody else has to hide something with another grower and say, I owe her some shit and then drive to go get it back when they get out of jail. I always thought that was very unusual in our industry. Fuck. It's totally true. You know, when I started at Positronics in Amsterdam, that was something that Bernard Bruning always made a point to drive home, which was share your genetics, because if the cops come, you have no place to go get them but your friends.

1:34:35SpeakerSo, you know, and this was, I always thought it was a fantastic philosophy, and in that open source genetics kind of the way it became public domain by us swapping them around and sharing them, I think it's protected them in a really nice way.

1:34:50BubblemanAbsolutely. And nowadays, it's like, give them away to give them away. You know, like now I'll give them away, not only with my agenda being that I need to get them back for me, but knowing that if I give these away, some other people may get them that might have not had the chance to get them. And that to me is a great feeling.

1:35:09SpeakerSo one of my, on that note, Mark, you know, Brothers Grimm just kind of came back. Soil just popped out of the woodwork after.

1:35:17BubblemanI saw. He contacted me. That was amazing.

1:35:19SpeakerHe's working with Chemdog and Duke Diamond. Those guys are great. But how cool a relationship. So TGA and Brothers Grimm. We don't collaborate yet or anything, which we may, but they hold some of my genetics and I hold some of your genetics. So recently I work with Snow Dog, the old Snow Dog clone, and mine had some problems and I contacted him. Hell, he drove it up and gave me another clone.

1:35:42SpeakerAnd that kind of camaraderie in the industry is what will take us to the next level instead of the backstabbing that has gone on in the past.

1:35:50BubblemanYeah, I mean, why worry about someone doing something good with something? They're not going to do exactly what you're doing. They're going to do their own unique thing. And if it's an aspect, another aspect of this plant to be made into reality, to me, it's, I mean, I just, I've always supported people sharing genetics and passing them on, especially under the prohibition regime.

1:36:11SpeakerAlso, to be honest, we have very few PhD level trained plant breeders. I mean, I read out, I make no bones, I read botany about 20 times, and I started growing and breeding, and that's what I know. I don't profess to be some college-educated person. What I wanted to infer was that right now and in the immediate future, Molecular DNA biology, I'm not even talking GMO, I'm just talking using molecular markers and things like this, will revolutionize cannabis breeding the way it did corn breeding, soybean breeding, and all the rest of the major crops in the world.

1:36:59SpeakerIt's happening right now. Yeah, I've seen a few mapping reports come through, and it's quite interesting to see the location and everything that things come from, and the Actually proved for once and for all how things came about. So as a breeder, I find that very interesting.

1:37:16BubblemanYeah, me too. I love to be able to, I mean, obviously we want to know exactly where our genetics come from and we want to know what's in it.

1:37:24SpeakerIt's way beyond that. What you want is markers so that you can screen thousands of individuals and know which one has the ability to produce a target. Right. For breeding. The old days, instead of growing for two years, we can simply use some scientific tests. To save us enormous amounts of time.

1:37:43BubblemanYeah, that's pretty serious for sure, Sam. Being able to...

1:37:47SpeakerImagine already they have testing for male and female. Although when they test for female, they're really testing that it's not a male. And it could be a female, but it could also be intersex. So they don't have the ability to separate that. But I predict within the very near future, they will be able to screen for intersex plants so that you can use either true males, true females, or intersex, whatever it is you're breeding desires.

1:38:19SpeakerAnd that would help for me because it could be in a company who just, I took the route a long time ago of not going the femc route. It's a personal issue with me. But nowadays we breed so many clones, it would be nice to make sure that we're not working with a clone that's intersexed. Well, one thing that's nice about self by feminizing, and I'm talking self in the individual plant, is it'll express intersex really good.

1:38:45SpeakerI still have a few thousand seeds from Thailand and Vietnam from 1968 era. And every now and again, I'll germinate

1:39:01Speaker10 or 20 of them. And always very interesting plants. I grew one out last year and it was crazy. It just started budding from right early on and it made this one four foot long bud that had other foot and a half long buds sticking out from it here and there. But it didn't look anything like your classic marijuana plant. It was something completely different. And it had this crazy lime smell to it that everybody who...

1:39:34SpeakerWho got a little bit of it. And I got to say, even though the rest of the plants around it grew real thick buds, it did grow a five inch thick bud, but it was airy and it didn't get solid like Afghans or something like that. So I'm sure because it from Southeast Asia, and I'm pretty sure it was from seeds from this, what we used to call Buddha Thai stick that we got.

1:39:58SpeakerBecause every time I got some and found seeds in it, I would shred it and save the seeds. And send them back to my mom because in Vietnam you didn't have to get your packages through customs while you were in country. You could send a fucking atomic bomb back, I guess. Nobody would notice because I sent my mother Samuel refrigerators full of pot all the time and it never got intersected anywhere along the line.

1:40:23SpeakerSo in all that I found a few thousand seeds and I'm thinking it must be getting close to time to inject some new Thank you so much for joining us.

1:41:00SpeakerI grew them. I grew thousands and thousands of them here at my facility. And let me tell you, finding a high quality, good Thai plant that is not intersexed is not easy. It's like finding a good Afghan plant from seeds imported from Afghanistan. You can do it, but you might have to grow a few thousand to find a real winner. Well, I got these in 67, and I've grown a number of them out.

1:41:29SpeakerI grew some out in Southern California in high desert, and I never found any intersex ones. I never found any hermaphrodites. They were either a male or a female. The males were amazing. They would put on a flower display that was beyond, beyond. I mean, you would see a pound of male flowers on a very small plant. But... I think I got them from an error before they were diluted.

1:41:57SpeakerAnd I store them in nitrogen. I've got them in a bottle with nitrogen on top of it, so I'm sure they're not oxidizing. And I keep them in a cold spot. It's not as good as the place in... The Antarctic where the Swedes keep their seeds, but still, like I said, I'm getting a very good germination rate when I pull them out and do them. It's just that I'm getting old.

1:42:19SpeakerFuck, I'm 70 and it's getting tougher and tougher for me to grow. I like to grow by digging a six foot deep hole in the ground. Planting, putting a pot in a tube and letting it grow up with no bifurcation on it for four feet, pull the tube off, cut all the leaves off, put the whole thing in the bottom of that six foot hole and fill in around it with blood meal, bone meal, oak leaf mulch, earthworms, and rabbit shit.

1:42:47SpeakerAnd that is a very intensive way to do it, but it's always rewarded me with the best tasting. Way back when, In the 80s, they had High Times held a marijuana contest and you would have to enter into it your top bud plus a quarter pound. And they brought the people who entered. You went and stood somewhere on a sidewalk and a limousine stopped and picked you up and blindfolded you and you went to this huge party.

1:43:16SpeakerWell, a friend of ours we were doing this with, who shall remain unnamed. Took our thing there and our thing was blueberry and blueberry at the time the top bug was a quarter pound dried and so we didn't have to add anything to it and we took eighth in that with that bud and that came out of those plants from Thailand and Vietnam.

1:43:44BubblemanDid you know DJ Short Indra back then? Who? Dan is his name. He talks about an old tie that he used to come up with the blueberry. He's one of the guys who claims to have bred the blueberry strain. Pretty cool guy.

1:44:02SpeakerI don't know if it's bred because I got it right out of the seeds. The plant only grew eight feet tall, but it grew 16 feet circumference. It was a huge plant. All of the buds were like footballs. And the top bud, like I said, weighed a quarter pound dry. But that was right out of the bag of seeds. Nobody was breeding anything with that.

1:44:27BubblemanI've never seen this. Well, I can't say never. I've seen some pretty big buds that had some pretty quality resin production on it. But some of the biggest buds I ever saw, the big like two liter Pepsi bottle buds or whatever, they just didn't have the resin production on them that the same like smaller, more exotic cultivars that I liked had.

1:44:47SpeakerWell, we were also growing it in high desert in Southern California. We had high desert sun on it, you know, all the time. And plus, the spot we chose was a 250-year-old wagon trail where horses had been running up and down for years. And so, whenever the growing season was over, we wanted to remove the plants because they used to fly over all the time, Astrea, the San Diego Sheriff's Department.

1:45:14SpeakerBecause that particular valley, a lot of people grew in there. And there's what they called scrub oak, which you could cut a 30-foot circle out and then tie the tops of the trees together and provide a screen so that they wouldn't see it down below. But anyway. Always having to hide. You said something earlier, Mark, that I really, I've always believed this. So when we're doing phenotype selection, The largest plant and the largest producing colas are definitely not the ones that are producing the most terpenes and the most resin.

1:45:48SpeakerSome of my favorite personal plants were not, I don't want to call them the runt or the litter, but It really goes back to that whole hemp dominant thing. It seems to me the most vigorous sometime can maybe contain a few too many hemp traits and the ones that aren't as dominant maybe produce more drug trait, more resin, more THC, more CBD. I love you saying that because everything I've ever loved to smoke was really not that great of a producer, was always finicky.

1:46:14SpeakerOG Kush, the Hazes, you know, they've never been the commercial, you know, big bud varieties that will make you money. And I think that that is where as we move forward and you and I know the work that goes into long equatorial varieties and having to keep something going 12 weeks instead of 8 weeks and having to maintain that whole time an extra 50% longer and people don't pay for that and I think that what's going to happen though in a sense is you will be able to demand more for cannabis that makes Thank you for joining us.

1:47:11SpeakerWell, the best one I ever smoked was a tiny one foot tall plant that was rife with seeds. I mean, it was consumia. It was totally filled out. There was a quarter ounce of pot and an ounce and a half of seeds on that bud when I pulled it off and smoked it. And I never smoked any better pot in my life. And when you hearken to what THC and so forth really is, is it's bird repellent.

1:47:36SpeakerAnd it just keeps the birds from eating the seeds before they're mature. When they're mature and the plant falls down, the seeds fall out. Then birds grab them. It's too hard for them to crack it. They shit it out somewhere in a pile of bird shit, which starts the plant over again. And that's how the marijuana plant proliferates itself. And so that seeded pot that I had that day was so potent.

1:48:02SpeakerBelieve me, I sat on my ass and looked at clouds for two hours because I was... Just think, John, if you could have got the exact same plant, a Simpsonia clone, you'd still be sitting there. That's what I was thinking immediately. I'd still have an ounce of those seeds from that plant because I've never found, you know, I've always been doing this other thing, making separations and so forth, so I've never really, a few years ago I got into a grow with a friend of mine and we grew these humongous fucking plants, 30 foot tall in his greenhouse.

1:48:37SpeakerBut it was so much work that it wore my old ass out. And so I just stick now to the easier stuff, which is separation and enhancement. Mark, have you seen these kids in Northern California called Mendo Dope? Yeah. They're going some style. I mean, they are not only do they grow, but they rap. They got this recording studio out of a cannabis plant. They're growing, and this is what I'm getting, they're growing 16 to 18 foot plants in 1,000 gallon smart pots.

1:49:13SpeakerBut the work, each one of these plants requires about four hours worth of work. Every day.

1:49:18BubblemanAnd they're recording all of it. They had Michael Rose in their bloody garden the other day. Daniel Eaton. I got turned on to those guys through you as well. And I ended up contacting them and telling them that I like their music and shit. They sent some CDs out. I think what they're doing is great. That whole recording studio out in their garden. Recording that whole last album in their garden.

1:49:43BubblemanThat's great, man.

1:49:45SpeakerAnd it's all started, a lot of people don't know that it's a little bit like the Chong story. You know, they had a garden and some property and toward the end of it, a bunch of cops showed up and they handcuffed them to the tiller. And of course, they got pictures of that to put on their album cover.

1:50:00BubblemanYeah.

1:50:01SpeakerThey basically took a chipper and chipped all the weed into the briars and then left.

1:50:07SpeakerThey got so pissed off that now they grow every year. They put it online. They put it on YouTube. They grow only six plants, but they grow six plants the size of a fucking house.

1:50:17BubblemanYeah, they really show how much six plants can be in this particular situation. Now, of course, they have the land and the ability to do that, but it is very impressive.

1:50:27SpeakerRight, that with a little pre-planting and a lot of soil and a big smart pot, you could do some big shit with one plant, which is why I find the plant limits kind of funny. A thousand gallon smart pot. How many tips? How many buds are on one plant, you think? You know what I mean?

1:50:45BubblemanHundreds.

1:50:45SpeakerYeah, hundreds.

1:50:46BubblemanI would say two or three hundred at least.

1:50:49SpeakerBecause one of the tricks in Northern Cali, if you don't top enough times and the buds are too big, then you get boitrous. So they don't, we did one about two years ago and we were all proud that we had 18 foot colas as big as my leg, but every single one of them got bud rocked. So, you know, we learned to spread the canopy out a lot more.

1:51:08SpeakerBut can I say this though? Might those varieties have done it totally different down in, you know, inland San Diego or, you know? Absolutely. They don't get the morning fog we get. That's right. And, you know, and like so many people, I mean, I think that trying to grow the wrong varieties up in them hills. I mean, one of my friends always joked, you know, it's a great place to hide and grow cannabis, but geographically, it's not a great place to grow cannabis.

1:51:31SpeakerYou're very honest about it, Todd. People email me all day long and ask me what to do. And I'll be straight. If somebody asks me one of those little soft, fuzzy, killer queen comes to mind. Killer queen crosses are not going to do good in Northern California. The bud is simply too soft, too fragile, and we know better. So we always recommend something that's proven up in those areas to help.

1:51:56SpeakerNobody wants to grow a 10-foot plant and just end up with mildew at the end of the year. That ought to be very happy. But see, and what you're saying is totally true, and it limits the scope of the genetics available because only certain stuff's going to work in those conditions. And I think when we start talking about this, this is where the nuances of genetics comes into the conversation and the geographical location that you're putting yourself in.

1:52:16SpeakerAnd I think as we see legalization happen, you might well see the shift of cannabis production move out of the shadow of the hills and And in the Central Valley and down into, you know, inland San Diego, 68 and sunny most of the time. Isn't that what we all want? When I used to grow kids, I used to grow plants illegally in Georgia. Trust me, Georgia is a great place to grow pot.

1:52:39SpeakerIt rains a little bit every day. Sun shines all the time. It's got a long growing season. You don't get fog, but there's another problem. That's the criminality of it. So I've always, and back in Florida in the days, you know, we grow plants in Florida, but we always had to grow them up against the woods or in the canopy. It was never, hey, let's grow a plant in our backyard and let full sun hit it.

1:53:01SpeakerSo I can't imagine how big cannabis would get down in those states. Wow, that's a great point. You know, given those incredibly optimal conditions and tree grow time, it would be amazing. I mean, you know, in places such as inland San Diego, it's like an optimal grow room by nature. Because, you know, historically, not in the past 10 years, but historically, we've been relegated to the drugs.

1:53:26SpeakerI mean, shit, I learned how to grow pot in Winnipeg. Oh! Me too! Me too!

1:53:38SpeakerMark, you'll laugh your ass off. I'll never forget when I went to the hardware store one day and bought like a big 12-inch bit and drilled a hole in the wall and I was stoned and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't coming through the wall and I found out homes in Canada have 16-inch thick walls.

1:53:52BubblemanIt's a whole new game building a grow room in Winnipeg, trust me. Absolutely. Well, I was lucky. I had Ron Hickey to sort of take me by the hand and walk me through the industry very early on. I will always give props to Ron for that, who also served quite a bit of time in Winnipeg, in Manitoba, for just growing cannabis, 11 years total.

1:54:15SpeakerMark, have you ever heard a little story about my little trip to Manitoba? Maybe, tell it. It's kind of funny. I was teaching some guy how to grow. Of course, I'm in Canada because I had warrants from America for cultivating. I was teaching this kid how to grow. Of course, I was hanging out with Bad Boy. Remember those kids?

1:54:35BubblemanI still hang out with them.

1:54:37SpeakerI still hang out with him. I know they're great guys. Anyway, the moral of the story is we were dumping really high quality cannabis onto a beaster's market. So as soon as the local popo found it, they went straight to the source and found us. And Canadian cops are very polite. It's nothing like getting busted in Florida where guns are put to your head and everything. They weren't even cuffing us until they ran me and found out I had a warrant for cultivation.

1:55:04SpeakerSo they cuffed me. They took me to the station. They put me in the Manitoba. It's a minimum max prison. It's got all these little housing units.

1:55:16BubblemanWas that in Headingley?

1:55:18SpeakerAnd Headingley, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The farm. So I was in this little barracks and I found out you could sweep and make a dollar a day. And then cons were talking and they're like, hey, you can go to work in the kitchen and you can make $4 a day and you can get all the food you want. And this is the crazy part of the story.

1:55:35SpeakerSo they leave me outside being from Georgia out in the 40 degree below zero weather. I thought I was going to die. And they get me over to this big building and where do they house the kitchen staff? On death row. So they don't kill people in Canada anymore, but they did in the past. So death row is the closest area to the kitchen staff. So everybody that works in the kitchen lives on death row.

1:55:56SpeakerIsn't that just weird?

1:55:57BubblemanFucking right, that's weird. There's all sorts of more weirdness going on in that city than that, that's for sure.

1:56:08SpeakerTo me, in a place, a prison built, and I know some of the people in this room have definitely shared my experience with this, but the To be in a prison complex built in the 30s, it's a very unusual experience in going to a modern day, which I've also been in. You know the ones where they track your footprint all the way through the prisons and the bathrooms and everything.

1:56:25SpeakerWhat a difference between the two. It's quite a shock to the system. Both are.

1:56:29BubblemanRight. Very interesting. I'm just trying to read the chat. There's all sorts of shit going on in the chat room as always. We got 818 people watching live. Cuban's in there right now doing his thing. Mr. Kuban Groar. How about you, Mark Scaldone? You've been so quiet today. I saw you laugh a few times.

1:56:52SpeakerYeah, I've just been listening along. It's a lot of great discussion going on.

1:56:58BubblemanIt's not too bad, you know, it's not too bad. I definitely, I'm looking forward in the very near future as you guys are talking a lot about growing today. Fletcher asked me a while ago from Archive if we could do like a grow hash church where we invite, you know, maybe a soil person and an enzyme specialist and a couple of breeders and some, just like get a nice panel organized for a nice event.

1:57:24BubblemanGrow sort of seminar at Hash Church and definitely want to get that done.

1:57:29SpeakerMark, I think it's a great idea because it might save me about 700 fungus mat questions a week. Maybe we could just address everything at one time.

1:57:36BubblemanYeah, exactly. I mean we could even start it that way where everyone's just like just answer. Yeah, Chimera as well. Chimera I've invited. I'm not sure where he's at, but hopefully he sees it and comes in in the near future or next week. It's always good to have Chimera in the house. It's funny how we all used to hang out in like a small little chat room like so many years ago.

1:57:56SpeakerYeah. Well, it goes way back. A lot of people, Mark, do you remember the 77? Do you remember that? The 77. So that's a shebang. Eric 77 of California Orange, Pa, Skoosh. Back in the days, there weren't really chat rooms. There weren't really webs. What you do is you go to this web page and you click on like the third here and it would take you to the chat room.

1:58:26SpeakerAnd what you did was you typed and then you refreshed. And some of the gnarliest growers in the world that I know actually connected back in those days because we couldn't tell anyone. You couldn't talk to the grow shops. You couldn't tell your friends. Oh, I know. It was insane. Text with another grower and say, well, what the fuck are you using? Well, I'm using this. What kind of results?

1:58:47SpeakerA lot of that ancient history is how current grows got set up because we would trade the information on. We would help people set up grows, and in turn, they would teach people how to set up grows. I have a kid 22 years old now. He's a weed nerd, and he learned from me, and his job now is building grows in California for a living.

1:59:08BubblemanNice.

1:59:09SpeakerBetter than me at it, just so you know.

1:59:11BubblemanThat's awesome. Well, we were lucky once again in Winnipeg to have Ron Hickey, because for me, it was learning how to grow, learning how to build rooms, electrical, hydro, dirt, everything. He just was all over, and he was telling everyone how to do it. When you walked into his hydro store back in the 80s and the 90s when it was completely Thank you for watching.

1:59:46BubblemanAnd, you know, it was always the same. He was always so open and upfront about it. And he refused to hide. He refused to be like secretive. He was just like, sure, he could keep a secret in the sense that he wasn't blasting everyone's grow address to everyone else. But he was going to all of those grows and kind of helping them build it, helping them get cuts, helping them grow, helping them harvest, helping them cure, like literally helping them from start to finish.

2:00:10BubblemanWhatever it is he could do, and it certainly went above and beyond any single person that owned a hydroponic store that I ever met previously, that's for sure. I got to always give a shout out to Ron.

2:00:24SpeakerRon's mythology really is also an inspiration, because when I first started doing what I do, I saw what everybody else was doing, which was advertising in magazines with With girls and scantily clad stuff. And we've never really been about that. So I kind of took the pace from his book and I just started teaching people. First, I taught him to germinate. Then I taught him to clone.

2:00:45SpeakerThen I taught him to transplant. And if you teach enough people to grow, I mean, it's an old idiom, but if you teach enough people to do it, it's going to be very hard to stop the movement. And that's, to this day, we still, I still do this. That's what the Weed Nerd is basically a show about how to grow. It's transformed lately. Jill just did a garden with a, 990 plants in Southern Oregon.

2:01:07SpeakerSo it's gone from the closet to the greenhouse to shit you could never imagine in a million years. 80 people standing on a complex like some

2:01:20BubblemanIt's a beautiful thing, all the work that's been done by all of the people in this room and more. And I think of it, I said it the other day to someone, and when I said the words, it made me think for a second. And it was basically that the bubble bags that we've shipped out around the world have produced thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds of hash.

2:01:42BubblemanIn most of the countries in the world, so it's like, and you know, cultivars that were bred by many of the people in this room and not, it's just an amazing thing how we can do our part, how we can just get our hustle to focus in on like, I want to make these seeds and I want to get them out to the world. I want to teach people how to grow.

2:01:59BubblemanI want to teach people how to build grow rooms. I want to teach people how to Thank you for joining us.

2:02:18BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:02:37BubblemanThat's just as important as someone using it medically. I fight for all perspectives.

2:02:43SpeakerMark, I got a shout out. So I bought a set of your one-gallon bags for my personal use, and I always really liked the method of just a simple steel spoon, a simple stir, but I finally wore them out, and I bought another set of your bags, and that was the one that came with the black 90 bag. Yeah. Oh, my God, dude. Smile after smile after smile.

2:03:03SpeakerI finally knew what real beach sand was, and thank you very much.

2:03:07BubblemanYeah, well, I'll tell you, the 73 to 120 jump was for many, many, many years. And when we finally, you know, the thing with bubble bags is people always just was like, can I buy one? Why do you want to sell me more than two? Like there's a company that just sells two. And we were like trying to, you know, teach people about the purification and the separation.

2:03:27BubblemanAnd they were just like, I just want, you're just trying to sell bags, man. And it's like, oh my God, no, we're not just trying to, just try it. Will you just try it? So when we brought the 90 out, it was so profound that very, very few people at that point, because that's when it went from a seven to an eight bag kit. Very few people had anything negative to say about adding that bag.

2:03:47BubblemanWhereas back in the three bag kit days, when it went from a 220 down to a 73, and we were like, we need to add like a 190 or a 160, people were like, he's just trying to sell us bags. There's no reason we would need that micron. It's like, man, are you kidding me? There's a very important reason you would want that micron bag. Separating out is a good thing.

2:04:09SpeakerMark, have you heard of other people using the higher numbered bags to strain tincture, glycerin tincture before?

2:04:16BubblemanI mean, I've done it just with coconut oil extracts that I've myself made. I usually use a bubble bag to filter, like say if I put in like, I don't usually put in herb, but if I put in hash and it's not all clumped together, it'll just break apart, sometimes disappearing, but leaving those little husks behind. And I find if I just filter through a bubble bag, I can catch those quite nicely.

2:04:39SpeakerI've got a really great method. I have arthritis pretty bad, so squeezing a lot hurts. I just basically take the 160. I put my glycerin, which is full of cannabis. It looks like mud or something like that. I have a nail in my shop in my clean area. And I just drape it over there and leave it. And over a period of two or three days, about 80% of the glycerin drips dried on through.

2:05:02SpeakerIt looks like honey and it saves a lot of work on the hands and you just finish it off by tying it up and squeezing it through. So yeah, multiple uses. I've been doing that for about six years. I found I lost too much in the cheesecloth.

2:05:14BubblemanYeah, I mean, I make hemp milk the same way. I'll soak hemp seeds overnight in a thing of water, and then I'll grind them up in the blender, and it's about that simple to make hemp milk. It just goes white immediately. The embryos release and break up into the water, and you get a really nice white almond milk-looking Thank you for joining us.

2:05:57BubblemanBecause we did this back in like 2000 or 2001, was that when we made water hash with those same bags, that, and you could feel it. When you made hemp milk with the bag one time, you could feel the screen just felt smoother and slicker than it ever felt before. And I mean after washing. And when we made water hash with those bags after we made the milk, We got a higher return than we had ever gotten from this particular cultivar.

2:06:27BubblemanNow, I didn't go on about trying to Make a post and call it a tech and try to think that that was a thing, but I'll say to anyone listening, try it just for your own personal use because it was strange how much it changed the feel of the screen. It just made it feel like it had been sprayed with a molecular, you know, something that just made it smooth and slick like in Christmas Vacation when he sprays the bottom of his little slide thing and goes like 100 miles an hour down the snow.

2:06:57BubblemanClassic scene, by the way.

2:06:59SpeakerYou know, I'm surprised that anybody would be resistant of being able to get the opportunity to have different screens, because before we had bubble bags, I was buying the WS Tyler screens from Hogan Togler, and I was buying all the sizes between 60 and 150. ATN will probably remember the stacks of the damn things I had all over the house, because Rob was also making the point that different cultivars will throw off different sized trichrome heads, and this is the difference.

2:07:27SpeakerAnd I used to see... Thank you for watching.

2:07:43SpeakerI will echo that. Right now, we have a big, everybody knows it's a big thing going on. We have Gebetas, we have LEDs, we have HIDs, everybody's doing things. There's a big difference in resin production in each one of these technologies. While LEDs seem to produce a little less flower overall yield, they do seem to produce more resin. And just a personal experience noticing that. Have you guys noticed this at all?

2:08:08BubblemanI mean, yeah, I've grown with the majority of them and produced full melt resin. I've never paid attention to the vegetative weight of my plants, just not an issue with me. I only focus really on the resin quality and maybe afterwards I'll try to find out what I got and kind of do the math and whatnot, which has never been as important to me either because it's not my focus.

2:08:30BubblemanMy focus is first and foremost quality and with the LEDs that I grew with and I grew with... Lush was the first company to send me one, and then another company, the Spectrum King, I got through Johnny B. They both grew resin as nice as the resin I had grown with the HPSs. And I mean, I grow four resins, so I take my crops and turn it into hash, so I mean, it's not like I'm using the vegetative plant matter at all.

2:08:58BubblemanI'm just really mostly growing for glandular trichome heads. And I found them all. The only real difference I find is the sun. The sun with any of those lights as an additional lighting is, I notice a difference. I notice that the quality of the resin for me when it's properly Thank you so much for joining us.

2:09:42SpeakerWhen you just collect the glandular heads and toss all the rest of the grain, I suppose you know that. In fact, when I first got started long, long ago, I had some friends who were doing that, and I used to give them $5 a kilo for their grain, and then I would extract oil out of it and peddle that and make good money with it. And the only light you're actually getting in Canada is what's reflected from Northern California up anyway.

2:10:10SpeakerRight, that's what I'm saying.

2:10:12BubblemanAnd for me, I'm mostly looking for the cannabinoids and the terpenes that are synthesized inside the glandular trichome. To the science that I know, I've never heard otherwise that it's being produced anywhere else in the plants. I'd love to hear about it, but I've never experienced it, so yeah, I did not know that.

2:10:29SpeakerI was leaving 50% of my plant matter.

2:10:32BubblemanI'm always down with enlightenment, John. Wait, let me have a bong rip quick.

2:10:37SpeakerAll right, go ahead. You can listen. You can talk while I talk. Yes. The entire plant collaborates to produce those land heads there. And everything that you find in them is to a lesser extent available everywhere else in the plant. Don't kid yourself. That's the way it is. All of the stuff is available in varying amounts in the plant, all the way down to and including the roots.

2:11:06Etienne FontanHey, Subcool, I have a question for you. If you were left on a desert island with only one genetic, what genetic would you be stuck with?

2:11:16SpeakerWell, that's tough. You know, right now it would probably have to be something I created about a year ago. It's called Cuvée. I was just thinking it makes chocolate flavored hash. It helps me sleep. It's done in early September, so probably As far as the production, it's done and finished before everyone else. But just listen to you guys talk. The chocolate hash is what gets me stiff.

2:11:45SpeakerI never smoked anything that tastes like smoking fudge before. And Frenchie makes it in his old style. And the one who will not be named makes it in his water hash style, ice wax style or whatever. And one's white, one's brown. They both taste like smoking fudge. Dark chocolate. And to me, that's a very unique terpene. I haven't seen it anywhere else.

2:12:11BubblemanIt'd be good to get that tested, you know? Like, what is that terpene? What is the name?

2:12:16SpeakerYou know it's high in mercium, but I do not know that's where the flavor's coming from. You know, though, it's also part of Frenchie's technique because there's just a way that when he's done fucking with pot, the stuff that he comes out with reminds me of all the hash I used to love. I don't know how else to put it. He gave me this, and I just barely want to smoke it because I just cherish smelling it.

2:12:40SpeakerWell, you know, the other thing about that hash too, Todd, is the sharing of it. The 10-gram cannoli he gave me, every time somebody came over, I had to share it with them. You've got to see this shit, right? Chocolate hash shaped like a cannoli. I mean, to me, it was very unique. And can you grow that variety on a tropical island by yourself without a light?

2:13:01SpeakerAbsolutely, I could. Yeah, no problem whatsoever. At 12 hours, it'll grow veg? Yes, absolutely. Challenge accepted, right? Send me to the island with the seeds. I will let you know. Most early varieties have white leaf drug varieties in them, indica, and because of that, it's If you grow them in a tropical island, they'll flower immediately and the lawn will be a foot or two tall. I seriously don't doubt that that would happen.

2:13:38SpeakerI always had a weird question, so, and you guys can help me with this, I think. So, when I was growing up, I always, you know, Hawaiian pot was the pot that everybody wanted to smoke. Maui, Wauis, and all that stuff. Well, as I've gotten older, I've had the experience to actually travel to Hawaii and I've I talked to several growers over there and it seems quite complex to grow cannabis successfully there because of the humidity, because of the bugs that aren't any botany book in the world, but more importantly because their life cycle.

2:14:08SpeakerMost cultivars over there started from seed starting budding about 12 to 16 inches. But can I take you back in time? Think about in the 50s and 60s, all the cannabis coming into us was from Thailand, Vietnam, Acapulco Gold, Jamaican. It was all equatorial in nature. It was all long following, loose spindly buds that really didn't have the best bag appeal. So when they were moving closer to California, we're talking stuff that was more closer to Thai than it was towards any of the Afghans we grew post this mid-70s in Northern California.

2:14:46SpeakerAnd I think what happened was when you look at the Dutch seed industry, It brought all these great genetics indoors, but it also brought people bringing these northern plants down into southern areas like Jamaica, like Hawaii, and trying to pop them and getting nothing but bud rot because the buds would fill up so fast, the moisture would chop in the middle, and the thing would look great on the outside.

2:15:08SpeakerThere'd be a big chunk of mold on the inside. And then to me it was because they were moving away from the long flowering varieties because those loose spindly buds, A, didn't sell that well, and B, they stayed in the ground so fucking long. So if you're over here working under pressure of prohibition, how are you going to justify 12 weeks, 15 week plants, when you're worrying about them coming for the 8 weeks, 9 weeks that you know you've got to be in the ground.

2:15:35SpeakerSo I can see why they moved away from those, but don't you think we're going to move back now?

2:15:41Etienne FontanWell they moved away from because of helicopters and I mean one of the I go to Maui every year and have over a decade and I've talked with various growers all around the island and just even found find original Maui Waui is good luck because most of them just get whatever genetics they can from the mainland to grow and most commercial pot that I see on the island is usually northern outdoor northern Californian that comes in with the salmon and So the reality is prohibition has really forced a lot of these equatorials underground because they can't have these large outdoor plants that they used to have because they literally get paid millions of dollars, the police force does, to fly these helicopters around and eradicate.

2:16:30Etienne FontanAnd over the generations, it's caused, sadly, the disappearance of the famed Maui Waui and a lot of the equatorials that You could grow outdoors for long periods of time, but you're forced into these, you know, gorilla grow situations, and they've just disappeared. People that I know only have one or two plant indoor grows, tops, you know, and that's just how it is. It's kept locally, kept very small, and if you're found out, the cops come in, just kick in your door, take everything, and leave you high and dry.

2:17:01SpeakerHey, Tim, most of the so-called Maui Waui, Came into Hawaii on sailboats from Northern California. I had a friend who used to smuggle vast amounts from here to Hawaii back in that era. Everybody there thought, hey, Maui Wai, but it was totally grown in Northern California, packaged and sailed across in 30 and 40 foot sailboats. And I don't really, it's a real difficult grow situation in Hawaii for a lot of reasons.

2:17:33SpeakerYou got the guys who wander around the locals who live there who know where every fucking inch of the place is at. And so starting a gorilla grow there is next to impossible. I mean, you can start it and grow it and then you'll come to harvest it and it'll be gone. And that's just the way it works there. And the grows there are very difficult because of all of the humidity constantly.

2:17:55SpeakerIt's a fucking jungle. There's places on the island where there's a lot less rain and that's where everybody concentrates and tries to do their grows. But most of the pot in Hawaii is smuggled in by a sailboat and other means. That's really interesting because I, again, the water in Hawaii is really bad too. It's like the PPM is like 300 with calcium and volcanic rock and all this stuff.

2:18:19SpeakerSo I always just thought it was the most paradise to grow and now I'm learning that it's not. No, it can be a paradise to grow. If you're a medical patient, you can grow, I think it's five plants. And you could do that outdoors. You just have to give the police a location GPS. And as long as you're willing to do that, they leave you alone. And if you grow late maturing things like ties or hazes, then they can get pretty large.

2:18:52SpeakerI've had friends who get three kilo plants every year. Yeah, but you know what, Sam? It's down to the same thing. My ex lives on Maui and the same story all the time. You can do that unless your neighbors call the fucking cops and say, hey, this stuff, I smell it. I don't want to smell it. Well, my friends have ranches on the north side of Kauai and they don't have any immediate neighbors, so that's not a problem.

2:19:22SpeakerWell, that's the one percent. I mean, there's two people who get that, but Not for the most part, no. No. Well, we were just talking about the Mendo guys. Their plants got so big they had to build a wall in between them and their neighbors because their neighbor's not being a total prick, but he's like, I don't want to see them. And so that's something that's faced, I think, anywhere.

2:19:42SpeakerIf you get in people's face, you're going to have to deal with it. Well, you make your choice where you decide where you're going to grow, whether or not you're going to be in somebody else's face. And the best scenario is always not to. I had a friend who had six or seven really successful grows. He bought a new piece of property and he went there and he put a fence up.

2:20:06SpeakerAnd the guy next door said to him the day he was putting the fence up, hey, you should put your fence a foot and a half or whatever it is back to leave room for future changes and stuff. And my friend at the time was a little arrogant and he told the guy, hey, I paid for the property, fuck you. As soon as he got the grow going, All kinds of police showed up because the guy was like, you don't want to listen to me?

2:20:27SpeakerHere, tell the sheriff about it. And they got busted. And then for the next three years, they couldn't grow because they were being watched constantly and until the case was dropped. When the case was dropped, of course, they, you know, back at it.

2:20:43BubblemanThat's why you treat your neighbors properly. We had to grow in North Vancouver back in the 90s on a river, on the, what was it, Seymour River? Anyway... Um, Mount Seymour, Mount Seymour Parkway. It was off of the Mount Seymour Parkway on the river. And we treated our neighbor like gold. We had about 18 lights in the house. Two young dudes that didn't really live there except the one guy.

2:21:08BubblemanAnd we treated this, our neighbor, very well. We'd help her carry her groceries, do whatever we could when we saw her for her. And it was her who in fact came over to our house one day and said, hey, I just wanted to let you know I saw some guy who was hiding in the tree on my property and photographing your house. I told him to get out of there and he claimed he was from the police and I said, I don't give a shit where you're from.

2:21:28BubblemanYou're not allowed to be in my tree. So she saved us getting busted because we were nice to her. She came over and told us there was a cop in her tree photographing us with a high, like, You know, quality camera.

2:21:43SpeakerWorst use for a tree on the fucking planet.

2:21:45BubblemanDude, can you imagine? We were so stoked on that woman, although we were bummed that we had to move everything and do it safely because we knew they were watching.

2:21:53SpeakerThe lady was just protecting herself, Mark. She was my pot connection.

2:22:00BubblemanShe was awesome, dude. I mean, she was like 70 years old, just like coming out and yelling at that guy in her tree. I don't know who you think you are. You better get out of my tree. So yes, it does pay to be a nice guy to your neighbor. In general, it just pays not to be a dick in life, even if you don't have a grow.

2:22:17BubblemanTry it. You'll see it works really well. Nothing wrong with being 70.

2:22:23SpeakerI had a case recently of someone who worked for me. He said, now, Mark, when I moved here, I did the same thing. All my little neighbors, I said hello to everybody. I introduced myself. I made no bones about what I was doing. The reason I had to work, he moved to a location and he went to a lot of trouble to put a garage door opener in so he could drive into his garage, not talk to anybody.

2:22:42SpeakerSo someone up the street who was doing something much more felonious got caught. And of course, you know who all the neighbors pointed to when they're standing out in the front? He's like, well, yeah, that guy right there doesn't talk to anybody. So he ended up getting busted because he was rude to people. Yeah. Are just not telling people what's going on because people are fucking curious.

2:23:03SpeakerYeah, my neighbor, you could tell when I moved in, he was watching what was going on. So I just, it didn't take very long at all. I said, here, come hold my hand. This is what I'm doing. Here's my license. I'm not doing anything wrong. And he seemed to appreciate it. And to this day, he bars cups of sugar. I'm the local pot growing hippie, but everybody seems to like me, so.

2:23:21SpeakerNice. Well, let's face it, an M.O. now is... Pulling into the garage, never talking to anybody, pulling out and not being there very often. That is a reason that most neighborhood watches will call the fucking cop and say, hey, there's a guy in our neighborhood who must be doing something bad because we don't know what he's doing. So it must be bad, right? That's so true. It was funny, Mark, when we used to live in Winnipeg, we used to find rows by the ice dams on the outside of the house.

2:23:50SpeakerDo you remember that?

2:23:52BubblemanOh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because it's minus 40 in the winter. It's hard to blaze up a room and not melt shit or create excess ice, you know, where you're melting and then it's recooling because you can melt it, but it's going to freeze like right away.

2:24:08SpeakerI thought it was very unique. That's why the beavers like Canada so much, huh? Yeah.

2:24:16BubblemanWell, you know, we have a taste for that vanilla raspberry flavoring up here, and I think they know it.

2:24:24Etienne FontanAnd back to the beaver anus we go.

2:24:26BubblemanWell, we're going to talk about beavers. I mean, shit. Shit.

2:24:32SpeakerWell, guys, I'm going to check out. It was fun being here. And I'll see you guys next weekend. I got to get some chores done.

2:24:37BubblemanYeah, dude. Come back. It would be great to get you on another panel for sure and talk with you. I'm real glad you came by.

2:24:43Etienne FontanNice to meet you. I really appreciate it. Pleasure to have you on, man.

2:24:47SpeakerThanks for the love, Subcool. See you soon, bro. See you at the Emerald Cup, I'm sure. Absolutely.

2:24:52Etienne FontanYeah, we'll see you at the Emerald.

2:24:54BubblemanMan, I want to come to the Emerald Cup.

2:24:56Etienne FontanYou should.

2:24:58BubblemanYou do.

2:24:59SpeakerJust get on a wild horse that's heading home, bro, and be like that marijuana.

2:25:04BubblemanDude, I wish I could.

2:25:06SpeakerWell, you can.

2:25:10BubblemanI'll start driving now. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot Sam was a Canadian coyote. Canadian coyotes. He gets French accent. Yeah. Yeah. Coyote. Exactly. You got it. It's not. Come on. You got to have the French accent, man. This is Canada.

2:25:27SpeakerYou're killing me. I'll pick you up at the border. No problem, bro. There's lots of space. They don't care.

2:25:34BubblemanListen, I think I'm okay. I'll just, I'll come down. I'll do my thing. I'll do it the way they want me to do it. I'll tell them everything I'm doing and I'll give them my paperwork and say, look, I'm coming down. I just, You gotta let me come down, man. You gotta let me come down.

2:25:48SpeakerCan I ask you a question? How many actual miles do you live from the border? Oh my God, actual miles? Yeah, like how far? Like if I was a bird and I was leaving your deck, how many miles till I got to American territory? You mean kilometers? I mean kilometers, of course, right?

2:26:06BubblemanWe can do miles. Can you measure that in grams? So, wow, it's telling me the border is 1,948 kilometers long, but that's not really what I was looking for. No, it's about 100 miles. No, I'm less than 100 miles, way less. I'm probably like 45 kilometers maybe tops to the border. Really? That small? Oh, all the Canadian citizens, like almost all the, or not citizens, main cities, the big cities, the capitals, most of them like 95%.

2:26:38BubblemanAre like right on the border.

2:26:41SpeakerDid they ask you for your passport if you want to come from Canada to here?

2:26:45BubblemanOh my God, dude.

2:26:46SpeakerThey might take blood. They hate his freedom. They literally do hate his freedom. They hate his social medicine, everything else they got going on.

2:26:54BubblemanThey're doing a thing actually right now where if Canadians are at the US border, And we admit to smoking cannabis, we can be denied for life. Well, into a state, I'll have you know, which sells both recreational and medical cannabis.

2:27:12SpeakerYeah, it's just a federal fence you're jumping over, doesn't work on either side of that. No. But they're becoming dinosaurs. They really are. There's going to get to a point where we're going to be able to go back and forth. I mean, you've got so much good real estate up there that... Yeah.

2:27:26BubblemanYeah. Come get it, man.

2:27:28SpeakerCome get it.

2:27:29BubblemanJust joking, man.

2:27:30SpeakerWhat is it, like 70% of Canada lives within 100 miles of the American border? Oh, I would say at least that. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So what's with fascination with America, bro? You got all that beautiful country. Why the hell are you so close?

2:27:43BubblemanWell, to be honest, there was no America when we originally came. They were still all over in Europe, and I'm just joking. Hey man, I don't know. I don't know what the fucking deal is with Canada and the US. It's just a weird trip. We just decided to like create a continent but make it a couple of countries. We're just like, no, you can be you guys.

2:28:05BubblemanWe're going to be us. I think that probably America just created Canada to like protect the water and like space that they would definitely need later on in life. They're like, we're just going to keep like 30 million people up here. We'll make them real polite. They won't have to lock their doors. They're not going to.

2:28:21SpeakerCome on, Canada was originally a bunch of colonies and the British.

2:28:25BubblemanFor sure. We still are. Look on our money, John, and see who's on our money.

2:28:29SpeakerThey wanted to draw a line between the shit that the British were doing and the shit that they wanted to do here.

2:28:35BubblemanWell, we still have the queen on all our money. Last time I checked.

2:28:38SpeakerYeah, but look, the royal family's visiting right now with the two pipsqueaks.

2:28:43BubblemanI'm supposed to be linking up with them later for a mad dab session, actually, Sam. I was thinking probably high tea, right? Well, yeah, I wanted to show them the terpene tea that we've been working on.

2:28:53Etienne FontanI want to try some of that royal oil.

2:28:56BubblemanAh, the royal oil. Yeah, it's crazy. It reminds me of the 80s because we haven't really had any like exciting like royal shit. Like in the 80s, everyone loved Princess Diana. Like especially like little girls were like obsessed with Princess Diana. It was like a real thing. And I saw just a brief clip of them getting off the plane in Victoria. Victoria, yes, that is a place here on Vancouver Island, Victoria.

2:29:21BubblemanThat's where they started their visit. And yeah, it looked very much like the 80s to me, like the whole like everything, the way they were promoting it and all the people standing around protecting it. I mean, it definitely seems like a pretty weird thing to like be still in this day and age and have like a royal family that like possesses such wealth while clearly, you know, manipulating world agendas.

2:29:47SpeakerI'm actually in favor of the royal family.

2:29:49BubblemanI just want to be one so I don't have to pay taxes. I was going to say, aren't you currently paying taxes in Holland to pay for that giant fucking building that the queen owns in Dam Square?

2:30:00SpeakerIt was Queen Beatrix. Right. It's now the king. Yeah. But for how many years was it the queens? The end effect of it is yes. I think 90% of my taxes are used to pay for their jet ski bills and stuff. Jesus.

2:30:16BubblemanOh my God. It's definitely bizarre. No comments. We're not going to get into the royals. The royals is an even weirder conversation than politics. And I think we spent at least an hour and a half on politics today already.

2:30:30SpeakerIf I start talking about royals, I'm going to have to take a crap because these people are not different from anybody else. They just set themselves up and made these titles up and conquered certain areas. Come on, John. You want to be just like them. I want to be royal so I don't have to pay tax. In bread with gold? No.

2:30:55BubblemanYeah, inbred. That's the thing. You can't really make up the inbreeding part. That's where they are a little bit different from us.

2:31:01SpeakerWell, that's because they're all fucking each other in the castle way back when. So you end up with these pointy-faced, horse-headed... Well, not even way back when.

2:31:09BubblemanThat's like a pretty, like, the royal bloodline. And if you look back at how they view such things and the importance of the children born of a concubine versus born of a half-sister, which is pretty twisted if you ask me, they take that shit pretty serious. I'm pretty sure they bring these new people in just to make some... Are you saying their family tree is a stump?

2:31:30SpeakerThat's compared to the Egyptians. The Egyptians standardly married sisters.

2:31:37Etienne FontanRight. Where do you think they got it from? Well, the royal family. Look how around they are.

2:31:43SpeakerThe royal family also has a lot of janitor and kitchen cleaning blood in it, too, because I'm sure the people that worked in the castle were pounding as much royal putt as they could probably get their hands on. And people in the castle that were coming out, of course, had nobody else to do it because you can't run around. You can't like go downtown, you know, Queen Isabella's going to take downtown and tour this heady side of town for a little while.

2:32:08SpeakerNo, they go down in the kitchen and get the dishwashers and the cooks and the, you know, the butlers. And that's probably where a lot of the royal family bloodline came from.

2:32:19Etienne FontanCome on. It's like in West Virginia. If you can't keep it in your pants, keep it in the family.

2:32:23BubblemanI like the royal pud. I think I just made a new hashtag and told everyone you heard it here first on Hash Church. The royal pud.

2:32:33BubblemanOh, fuck.

2:32:34SpeakerProbably the truth, though. Sad though it may be.

2:32:38BubblemanThat's why it's funny, John. That's why it's funny.

2:32:42SpeakerRight. Well, thank you. I'll tell you. I don't know why we set them apart and deify them is... Beyond me, I mean, you look at Queen, what's her name? Whoever the one in there now occupying that Halloween costume. Look at her and look at that face on her and realize to yourself that everybody is responsible for the look on your face, right? Your whole life is creating the look that's on your face because it's how you interact with other people and how they give energy back to you that creates that.

2:33:20SpeakerAnd when you look at her, and having realized that everybody's responsible for the look on their face, it is frightening to see that grimace on that old hag's face. And then everybody's supposed to bow down, and then she's making a quadrillion dollars a year, and other kids are starving, and I mean, you know, I'm sorry. If they gave me that job, I would finish that whole thing off, tear the castle down, or Change it into a low rent district.

2:33:51Etienne FontanSo does Brexit affect anything in Canada due to them leaving the European Union? Did that have any effect or will it have any effect on Canada?

2:34:02BubblemanOh, I'm sure. I'm sure. I can't imagine it not. I mean, do I understand exactly how? No. But will it? I would be very, very surprised if it did not.

2:34:13SpeakerIt'll have no effect because Quebec still is in the EU.

2:34:20BubblemanYeah, there's a, you know, Quebec a few times has tried to separate from Canada. It's pretty awesome. I just want to separate from everything and just be called an earthling. It's like the last time I checked, you ever see that little Carl Sagan blurb? Where it's like the little earth is going by and it's going further away and he's talking about...

2:34:41Etienne FontanPale blue dot.

2:34:42BubblemanYeah, pale blue dot. He's talking about every single person that's ever lived, all the warring, all the everything. It's just a really beautiful couple of minute little thing there that he says, you know, and it all has happened on this planet. Every person that's ever been, every person that is here, all on this little pale blue dot. People need to stop taking themselves so seriously, fighting for their little section of the pale blue dot.

2:35:07Etienne FontanI know, you have an imaginary line that keeps you and me from actually hanging out. Yeah. How bizarre is that? An invisible line between two countries and we cannot meet.

2:35:21BubblemanI know, can you imagine, listen, when Sabo Shen came up from Vapix Hale recently and he came up from San Francisco, I was like, hey man, how long was your flight? He was like, oh, it was great, it was two hours. And I'm like, what? Time out. I could fly to California and be with my friends in San Francisco in two hours? Are you kidding me? But that's not the case because I would be at the border in the airport for 12 hours before I got let go.

2:35:48SpeakerThat's not far. Dude, I've gone to LA to Seattle in not much over two hours. Yeah.

2:35:56BubblemanLA to Vancouver is three hours and Tony just did it last week when he came up and I was like, so I could be in LA. You just stop thinking that you can do that when it becomes not a possibility. But man, I would definitely be visiting. All of you guys down there, if they just would let me. I swear I'm not coming to do anything criminal.

2:36:18SpeakerThose lines they draw are just another way of controlling us. They don't want you to come and hang out with us.

2:36:24BubblemanWell, that shit is working, kinda. Here we are every Sunday, hanging out.

2:36:31SpeakerWell we have to do it online in order to make it happen but it's sad that you can't just fly over and we could all get together at a restaurant and have a hash church one morning at a restaurant where we could smoke at the same time and sit around and talk with each other. You know, John, they've been doing this, you know, Jack Herrick came home from Amsterdam after getting his clothes dry cleaned and they didn't vacuum out the pocket and they literally shook out his pocket and got three-tenths of a gram of crumpled pieces of bud that were in the pleats of his pocket and they gave him an importation charge.

2:37:05SpeakerHe then got an offer to go speak in Canada and they denied him entry into the border because of exactly that three-tenths of a gram of cannabis. Couldn't believe it. Yeah, well, that's the problem. Guess who gave them the power to decide that shit? The people did. Either that or they pulled the wool over our eyes and decided it by someone making an announcement that sounded like it must be lawful.

2:37:31SpeakerA lot of that shit going on in the government now. Now, you get stopped going across the country 10 different times by 10 different police departments, highway patrols, sheriff's, whatever. And all the time you get 10 different interpretations of the law from these guys unless there's two of them in the car and then you get 20 interpretations of the law. And it's because these guys are making up as they go what you should and shouldn't do.

2:37:56SpeakerAnd once again, it reflects back to who... It gave them the idea that it was okay to do that. It's interesting you say that. Over 25 years ago now, Bernard Bruning created a magazine in Amsterdam called Soft Secrets. It was Soft Secrets because soft drugs, and it was a secret because nobody seemed to know what was going on. Really, what Soft Secret was, was a clipping service of all the different newspapers.

2:38:24SpeakerThis was pre-internet. So what he was doing is showing this to all the coffee shop owners so that they would demand equal rights because every other cop municipality was interpreting the law differently and some really harshly. So in order to find out the rights that your friends were getting in the northern part of Holland, he would put all this information together and that's what started that. And then it became a grower's magazine ironically because It went from being something that informed the coffee shop owners to informing the growers and the whole equal kind of the coffee shop union came out of it.

2:39:02SpeakerIt was called the Base A Day. I'm saying it wrong, but it's basically like a National Cannabis Industry Association is now, but the coffee shop consumers union started, whoa, Jesus, probably in the very early 90s. And there was a lot of wanting to be treated equally.

2:39:19Etienne FontanAnd they were an inspiration to us in Berkeley early on and when We originally were the three dispensaries in Berkeley. We looked to the Dutch model of actually getting together and educating ourselves, but we also started to meet locally and it got to the point where even the city, if they had any issues, would start to contact us because they knew that we, as the heads, were meeting and that we were a consensus mobilized unit.

2:39:44Etienne FontanWe always were Speaking behind one voice as opposed to being a bunch of little voices. The Dutch were very smart in showing us how to unionize and work together because if you can work together in a small community, it just shows solidarity and just builds the community quicker and larger and the belief by the community in what you're doing. We have found. And so thank you very much to our Dutch forefathers for showing us the way here in America that allowed us to continue to grow and escalate this movement.

2:40:15SpeakerMy grandmother is Dutch. So I'm 50% Dutch and 50% I'm 57. Van Brackle.

2:40:28SpeakerWhat's her last name? That's really cool. You know, it's so sad to me how the conservative Christian government has taken a hold of Amsterdam and Holland, not Amsterdam so much, but the rest of Holland, and really turned around with such an awesomely progressive policy. And I mean, Holland to me used to be like visiting the future. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:14Speaker40, 50 guilders. And then when it changed over to euros, that became 40 or 50 euros, which was a huge increase in the cost of money to be in Holland.

2:41:27Etienne FontanWithout a doubt, the euro conversion was definitely a much more expensive reality for, I think, a lot of Europe, but especially for the Netherlands. But as far as I remember going back to the Netherlands, back even with the guilder, it was still the most expensive place in Europe. Correct, Todd, even when you were there?

2:41:44SpeakerNo, Zurich, Milan, Southern France, no. It's really expensive. Go hang out in Ibiza, no. You know, so it depends on where you're partying. You go to Paris, I mean, parts of London. It literally depends so much. Like, look at LA, dude. You've got the shithole seven miles down the street from Beverly Hills and Bel Air, so... Also, it depends on the exchange rate the particular year that you're here because sometimes the exchange rate's been really good for the dollar.

2:42:15SpeakerOther times it's been terrible.

2:42:19BubblemanAnd it also depends on what dollar you're bringing.

2:42:23SpeakerOh, poor Canadians. I'm sorry, bro. Yeah, that's rough.

2:42:29BubblemanDon't feel too bad for me. I earn a lot of euros and American dollars.

2:42:33SpeakerNo, it's nice. It's just when you do the conversions, it's just never as pretty.

2:42:37BubblemanNo, it's great if you're like, say, an American production company and you want to film a movie. You're going to spend like 10 million bucks, 20 million bucks, 50 million bucks, 100 million bucks. You come up here, that 100 million bucks is like 130 plus million dollars.

2:42:52SpeakerI swear when I landed in Amsterdam, I think the guilder to dollar was like 2.2 to 1. It was ridiculously high. When I was living there in 96, it was like 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, you know. So it felt nice. You go turn into 100 bucks, they give you almost 200 guilders or whatever. It was just like happy, happy, joy, joy.

2:43:13BubblemanIt was the same if you came up to Canada. We had a very similar exchange rate. The Gilder and the Canadian dollar were pretty on point back then.

2:43:20SpeakerWhat I want to say is weird about this is that when you went shopping at the time, things were about the same price. So like a 10 Gilder burger was what you get for 10 bucks, but the 10 bucks was really like 5 or 6 or 7 in comparison. And that's what felt so amazing because the purchasing power felt so great. But that really did change.

2:43:41BubblemanYeah.

2:43:44BubblemanMaybe it's time for another bowl. I haven't... Shall we have another bowl? It's like we really need to get some smoking done. I find what loosens the tongue and creates dialogue better than having a big old puff. I know that we had a little bit of a... What would you say, oh, a little bit of drama in the LP world. One of the companies got called out by our health minister who's trying to, you know, she's a part of the legalization campaign getting cannabis, you know, basically allowed here.

2:44:15BubblemanAnd she basically came out the other day and called Tilray out pretty hard, basically saying that it was Tilray lobbying cannabis. Thank you for watching.

2:44:54Etienne FontanThis came out after the Lyft conference or during?

2:44:57BubblemanYeah, after the Lyft conference I saw it, yeah.

2:45:01Etienne FontanSpeaking of, did anything come out? You were at the Lyft conference last Sunday, so right before church, so anything interesting happen on Sunday or just business as usual?

2:45:10BubblemanOh, it was business as usual, really. Let's see if I can find this conversation that I had with my friend here, because he sent me the link. On Health Canada's website.

2:45:25SpeakerWell, how do you, did you see the article on Arizona, half a million dollars to fight against legalizing marijuana by a company that's making a cannabinol-based product or it's a dronabinol-based product? How hypocritical is that? Schedule 3. It's bogus. It's totally bogus.

2:45:44Etienne FontanWell, and they even stated it's to protect the company's bottom line. Absolutely. The reality is that they will lose money if the natural form of cannabis is made available in its form. It will affect their overall sales, I mean, verbatim.

2:46:01BubblemanThank you for joining us.

2:46:19BubblemanAnd the former CEO of Tilray, now the Chief of Staff of the Health Minister. A Nanaimo-based licensed producer of medical marijuana, at that meeting, Tilray expressed concerns about illegal dispensaries and shared the result of lab work suggesting contamination of cannabis. I was not present at the meeting, but I am informed that as the meeting concluded, the CEO provided a photocopy of six pages of lab results to my staff.

2:46:45BubblemanI have confirmed that a copy was also provided to Health Canada. We were told by Tilray that the source of the samples tested was illegal cannabis dispensaries. If the data is valid, the results are unsurprising. As Minister of Health, I have stated repeatedly that storefront dispensaries are illegal. So it's bad that they did that, that they would go and purchase cannabis from dispensaries to try and show that those dispensaries weren't...

2:47:08BubblemanI mean, for me, at the same time, I've always said this, it's not good for dispensaries to be selling contaminated product. It's why we need regulation. But it seems counterproductive to have an LP... Be a part of in any way, shape, or form the lobbying of the government to show that, yeah, it's okay. Maybe it's unsafe. Well, that doesn't mean we need to close dispensaries. It means we need to just help regulate them because they need to be allowed from my perspective.

2:47:36BubblemanI was a little surprised. Personally, I know some people that work at Tilray, and I would have been surprised for them to be Thank you for joining us.

2:48:06BubblemanYou know, working with people that are trying to work against everyone being a part of it. I'll fight for regulation, but I certainly won't fight for people to be closed down. Just let them be regulated.

2:48:17SpeakerExactly. Definitely be careful who you get in bed with because I came from an era when safe sex wasn't an issue. It was like not having a sandpaper headboard on your bed.

2:48:31BubblemanRight. I'm not quite sure I understand the metaphor, but I hear you, John. I hear you.

2:48:36SpeakerSandpaper headboard. I mean, when you're fucking, you're banging the headboard all the time. Yes. So that was safe sex in those days. Nowadays, Jesus Christ, you've got to have a prophylactic. She's got to have one. You've got to have a bed sheet between you.

2:48:53BubblemanYeah. Maybe the Mormons had it right, hey?

2:48:57SpeakerWell, you know, the Jews used to cut a hole in a sheet. And that's how they would do it with each other. And I'm sure that's probably where the old saying glory hole came from.

2:49:09Etienne FontanSomebody did a whole skit on the hole in the sheet. I've seen it. He's like, I think maybe it's kids in the hall or something and he's smoking a cigarette with the hole in the sheet.

2:49:21BubblemanHe's like, well, with the hole in the sheet, so it's good. The weirder part was the dad was in the room, right?

2:49:30BubblemanYeah, I'm not sure. Anyway, interesting. Interesting stuff we've got to navigate here in the world of Hash Church. I guess it's why it's kind of easy to blaze off two or three hours every week because there's so much going on in the media and in this community and in this industry lately that it's hard not to have a lot to talk about, really.

2:49:51SpeakerWell, Mark, have you tried out the mixing the trichromes in the oil method? I Talked about yet?

2:49:58BubblemanNo, I have not yet tried this method.

2:50:00SpeakerShame on you.

2:50:01BubblemanI know. I know. Soon. In the meantime, this bubble hit is for you.

2:50:10SpeakerWell, I can't wait till the internet gets it and I can feel it.

2:50:17BubblemanPatrick Flanagan. I think Patrick Flanagan, if you ever check out Patrick Flanagan, he was like the real life Doogie Howser that that TV show was based on, like Kid Genius. He was the pyramid guy too, like stacked food in pyramids and stuff, but he's got some, he created this thing called the Neurophone. Where much like what you were saying about plant resin, he was also saying that the human body and brain is holographic and that all of our senses can be experienced through the epidermis, the epidermal, epidermis, sorry.

2:50:48BubblemanAnd so he created a machine that let deaf people hear through their skin. And it apparently worked quite well. Because the military took it over and all of his patents therefore afterwards. But he's an interesting story to look into, the neural phone. I always thought it would be neat to create a machine that allowed you to plug your body into someone else's central nervous system to feel what they were feeling.

2:51:11BubblemanIt would be definitely the next level of communication, that's for sure.

2:51:16SpeakerIf they could figure out a way to encode your feelings in a non-destructive laser beam that Check from yourself onto somebody else's skin. They'd know how you felt about everything. Much in the same way that you can encode an audio signal into a laser beam. Shoot that laser beam like a window, say, on another car, and turn that window into a speaker. People in the car would hear what you were saying, or on a building, or on a window anywhere.

2:51:44SpeakerWhen we get to the point where we can translate or transduce feelings subcutaneously with a laser beam, I think we'll have really stumbled into a rich territory of sensation. True. You know, I was totally working on that myself, actually. Have you been working on that, Todd? You know, the laser beam, shooting it down, I touch all these people. It'd be beautiful.

2:52:07BubblemanJust on the side project, Argon laser works great. Just be careful with that shit. It goes through brick.

2:52:18SpeakerBe careful of sending too much love. Is that what's going to happen? Well, you guys can laugh about that, but, you know, the future holds lasers, the understanding of the true understanding of magnetic fields. Long, long ago, I think before Tesla even, someone said, first guy who discovers the truth about magnetism and understands how it works and is able to apply it will rule the world. That's good.

2:52:45SpeakerJohn, even you can have a sense of humor about it. I mean, sending our emotions with a laser beam is kind of funny. I mean, I know I'm stoned and everything sounds funny, but that sounds a little extra funny.

2:52:57Etienne FontanYet, currently, the polls are actually weakening in a possible reverse of the polarities that's been building for a while.

2:53:07SpeakerDon't believe in polls during election year. I don't believe pollocks no matter what. But, you know, the transferring a feeling from one person to another... However it's done. I mean, we do it a lot of ways now. We do it with a kiss. We do it with a touch. We do it with words. It's not such an unusual idea that we might be able to encode feelings that people are afraid to express.

2:53:37SpeakerLike, for instance, you know, you go to a party, you're sitting there like a wallflower, somebody hands you a joint, a few minutes later, blah, blah, blah, you're the star of the party because now you're feeling loose enough to let yourself out without somebody, fear of somebody else saying, hey, you're full of shit or something like that that's going to defame you. What if you could just touch the other person and transfer all the feelings that you're having at that moment to them?

2:54:07BubblemanI think there was a movie about it. Wasn't it called Powder where that weird dude that was all bald and had no hair and was like albino, he took the hunter and the deer and he put the hunter's He put the deer's emotions into the hunter after the hunter shot the deer and it was dying. It's a really powerful scene in the movie. The hunter never, he's just like super tripped out because he feels this deer that he just killed dying, its soul leaving its body.

2:54:33BubblemanAnd it's a pretty intense scene for a movie that was made quite a while ago. I can't remember.

2:54:39SpeakerI saw it, but there was another movie that even, well, more on that kind of thing. It was The Tree of Life.

2:54:47BubblemanHmm.

2:54:48SpeakerI'm not sure if that was the title, but the guy went through all the incarnations and all of his lives and always came back to the perspective of the street, the bubble, the space, and he would look backwards. And the minute he would think about the past, here's one of my favorite themes. I think when you die, time stops for you and your spirit, Access your body and time stops.

2:55:14SpeakerAnd so you have all that time now that you lived all those things to taste over and over again and see what it is that brought to your spirit. I know what Sam's going to cut in on this in a minute and tell me. But I think that life is actually a lot more important than the idea of when you die, that's it. You're gone. And that's just the ego screaming.

2:55:40SpeakerI think a lot more than that happens because this whole universe, including these wonderful little plants that produce things that we love so much, was put here because we're still sitting in, if you want to call it that, the Garden of Eden. There's still some plants around that were there in the Garden of Eden. I think pot is definitely one of them. And I think there were some others that must have been there as well.

2:56:09SpeakerBecause we're all connected to all this stuff, and there's no way to deny it. So it's hard to understand how it could be otherwise, if that makes any sense to you. I love when the Garden of Eden has a buffet on Sundays. That's good eating. You're talking about prison again, right, right, right, Todd? No, I was joking about the Garden of Eden. You know, I think, look, you know, we're just earthlings.

2:56:33SpeakerAll this stuff is what is here, you know. It's not like we got aliens, you know, with semis dropping off shit and splitting. I mean, we got what we got, you know.

2:56:43BubblemanI don't know. On the pale blue dot. We got what we got on the pale blue dot. I like that rhyme. Now, I'm not 100% sure that aliens never showed up with trailers back in the day. Who's to say? I wasn't around, but... I definitely see the contradiction of humans being that seemingly half of us are aliens and half of us are monkeys. Half just want to live on this planet and hang out in the trees and fucking love life and enjoy plants.

2:57:08BubblemanAnd the other half are like, we need to go to other planets and find things and get into space and build rocket ships and... It's contradictory to say the least, but who's to say which side is correct? It's just the two sides of the human race. But we are all aliens. Look at us on our little rocket ship spinning around getting high.

2:57:25SpeakerI mean, what the fuck are we if we're not aliens? I'm on my mothership. There you have it, you know. ATN. Religion powered. There were some people on YouTube who would tell you marijuana was brought here from the Pleiades and left here on Earth to kind of Help mankind. Canis. Cannabis.

2:57:46BubblemanYou know, I never read too much about that, and I do, I will say this one thing. I read some books by Barbara Marciniak, and she's definitely like super out there, you know, like, what was her, she's channeling beings from the Palladian, Sirius B, all this different stuff, and I got past the belief system of that, but metaphorically, all of these messages are We're pretty fucking awesome.

2:58:08BubblemanLike if you just read the messages, it was like, man, this is pretty good shit.

2:58:12Etienne FontanTodd, do you remember the hemp company, Two Star Dog? Two Star Dog, exactly.

2:58:17SpeakerThey have some of their clothes from them, Steve and Stella, and they were great, bro. They made quality stuff. I love that. But you know what?

2:58:25Etienne FontanBut the two-star dog is a reference to the king, you know?

2:58:29SpeakerYeah, I know. But when you travel that story a little back to Africa where it was originated, it goes a little deeper into being like kind of messed with their memory because British explorers showed up with telescopes and basically they were showed the two different... Star groups and the whole mythology that came out of it. That was the Dogon tribe.

2:58:50BubblemanThat was the Dogon tribe, yeah. And they had that shit etched in like a cave wall, the actual flight path of Sirius B and Sirius A for the course of 800 plus years. And those guys could not wrap their heads around that shit.

2:59:05SpeakerThat's so trippy. But I think that we kind of overlap memories. Like we think of the Native Americans riding on a horse. They didn't get no horses until the Europeans showed up. Same with cannabis. I mean, I've had a lot of Native Americans contact me about, you know, the use of cannabis by their tribes. And I say, it's like horses, guys. You didn't get it until the Europeans handed it to you because it wasn't indigenous to this continent.

2:59:31SpeakerAnd it's hard for them to do a lot to accept because for hundreds of years, it was part of the memories that were passed down. You know, because it was used here, you know, think about it, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s on. So, of course, it was part of their culture, but was it part of their culture prior to Europe invading? Is invading a good word? Invading, right? But they did find a 3,500-year-old bot in Egypt.

3:00:00SpeakerAnd other places. And they have found in South America and in Mexico, Mayan stuff that had marijuana in it as well. So I think probably that mankind has been using pot for a really long time. I only mean this continent, John. When you come to North America, it's non-indigenous to this continent. Read Cannabis, Evolution and Ethnobotany. It's also not found in South America or North America or Central America before 1492.

3:00:33SpeakerThank you, Sam. I think I researched this one time and it's older than that. I think the Vikings brought that and bongs.

3:00:44BubblemanI never heard that but I'll go with it. That's where Chris Bennett always comes in handy. He's got a pretty good grasp on the historical sense of what's going on. Who's to say how old it really is? I'm sure that the history that we have, at least most of our history.

3:00:59SpeakerCan I read this out? Trip on this, though. When you look at the evolution of Europe, okay, with the invention of paper and sails and ropes and paints and varnishes, canvas that they were painting old art on, using canvas, cannabis oil as their base oil for their paints and varnishes. At the same time, we had North Americans, natives, who were still living nomadically, wearing leather, carving on caves with rocks.

3:01:27SpeakerThey didn't have paper. They didn't have paints and varnishes. They didn't have a lot of the things that Europe was commonplace with. I mean, when we think of what the natives had, the ability to build canoes and stuff, why weren't they building big ships? Well, they didn't have canvas. Thank you for joining us.

3:02:09SpeakerWhat do you think hemp oil is? It's pressing the hemp seed. I mean, you know, I mean... Well, wait a minute. You're broadening that one out nicely, but... No, you go back in history. Before they were going and killing whales, they were actually using hemp seed oil for their paints and varnishes and for their lamps. And they were very, very, very careful to separate the seed out and press the seed.

3:02:34SpeakerThe seed was the thing that contained... We're not talking about hash, John. We're talking about seed. Seed oil is what made the varnishes and the oakums and all these things that we used in maritime. That's what I was just trying to clear up. It wasn't the hemp itself, but it was the seeds. When you say it's not the hemp itself, yes, it was the hemp itself. The hemp itself was what became the ropes, the riggings, the clothing, the maps, the Bibles, the oil in their lamps was all from hemp.

3:03:03SpeakerSo to speak. I mean, the oil from the seed, but all those other things were from the stem and the cellulose. The maps and the Bibles. Well, I know. When they wanted to make a really tough root, they not only used the stem of the plant, but they also used the roots because it turns out the roots added a great deal of strength to the ropes when they were properly dried.

3:03:27SpeakerI've never heard that. You know, the fabric is as long as the plant is tall. So a lot of the hemp varieties were grown close together so they wouldn't laterally branch. So it didn't create, what are those things called in the fabrics, ATN? Those little tufts in the fabrics of hemp that hemp has? I don't know. The little knots and stuff like that? Yeah. They developed a special machine to shred hemp plants and roots.

3:03:56SpeakerAnd it was a very specialized machine because the plants and the roots were so tough that the only way they could get them separated properly to make stuff out of them in a big way, in a commercial way, besides the old methods, We used to do the water methodology in Eastern Europe for the hemp that we use for ecolution because

3:04:35Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

3:04:53Etienne FontanThe water would take away the natural, the lignin is the natural glue people that holds the, the, the, the best core together. It's, it's all the exterior there. That is the fiber. And now. There are different, you know, decorticators nowadays. There's Gardella, such as the European that makes the finest. And those keep the slubs away. That's what they really were, was just little slubs. The problem is that we have little kinks because of, you know, even if we field redded it or if we water redded it, you still had these little pieces of cellulose from the interior would still make it in.

3:05:35Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

3:05:55Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us today.

3:06:14Etienne FontanYou know, a 10-ounce canvas or something like that. It was nearly impossible because of just the old machinery that was available. You have to understand, people, that prohibition destroyed not only the industries, it also destroyed those ancillary businesses that made the manufacturing of these machines. And what we found out was like, well, when I was only 93, up in Oregon, we had Bill Condie, who was this actual tree farmer who used to Oh, not Chip, I remember he was a lumber guy.

3:06:43Etienne FontanAnd he got into hemp via The Emperor Wears No Clothes. And so he started to make this particle board from actual hemp to show that there was, you know, many uses of it. And their initial run, that they actually took this hemp and ran it through conventional machinery, just destroyed the machinery because the tensile strength of the hemp is so strong that it almost needs to be done like it in China where it is actually cottonized, where it's actually...

3:07:10Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

3:07:35Etienne FontanThe more you washed and the more you wore hemp, you know, they would take old things to show hemp's complete softness, such as when we were dealing directly, when I was with a hemp company dealing with the people from Jamestown, Virginia, they would show us all the old ticking from Ticklenburg, Germany that was all hemp bedding that was all used throughout the 17th and 1800s here in the United States.

3:08:02Etienne FontanBut they would show us how still soft and supple it was, you know, a century and a half on, on how the hemp, however they were producing it back in the day that didn't have these machinery, were still able to get amazingly fine hemp when the industry was there and applying itself to it. Thank you for joining us.

3:08:45Etienne FontanRight now, manufacturing hemp decorticators that they've found from plants from back in the 1913s and the 20s and have now modified and have now put these into production because they need these types of machinery because you have to understand people, people like International Harvester and John Deere will not look at manufacturing any type of Thank you for joining us today.

3:09:26Etienne FontanWe support it enough that it becomes in the large-scale manufacturing base.

3:09:30SpeakerWell, now, if you take a look at John Deere's site, and you go back to the 30s, John Deere made a lot of machinery for harvesting and planting hemp.

3:09:39Etienne FontanAnd that's because there was still lots of acreage that was still going. Now they will not engage in that discussion until...

3:09:50SpeakerJohn Deere's number one competitor is New Holland Industries here in Pennsylvania, and they create all of the hemp decorticators that go all over the world. So, fuck John Deere and the tractor he rode it on. There's companies here in Pennsylvania that are making hemp machinery that go all over the world.

3:10:10BubblemanI remember we bought a harvester from Holland in the 90s and we brought it over to harvest our hemp fields and it was quite a machine. I can't remember the name of the company. It was a big red thing with two huge wheels on the front. It's pretty awesome.

3:10:26SpeakerThe company I'm referring to is actually called New Holland Industries. New Holland. They make big tractors and decorticators and combines. They're basically a big agriculture machinery company, and they do make all that stuff. Well, the Philippines made all the rope, and then World War II came along, and the Japanese cut off the rope supply to the Navy. And so, therefore, there was one healthy fucking hemp company.

3:10:54SpeakerRob said it's a $10 bill. It's not. It's not cannabis. Oh, it's not? Okay. Rob said poo-poo.

3:11:21SpeakerPoopoo. I would believe the Mr. Poopoo then. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's wheat, he said. Well, in any case, they had a lot of stuff developed.

3:11:31Etienne FontanBut that same machinery was used for hemp cutting back in the day, so that's why it was assumed it was potentially that cutter. Because I've seen in pictures of hemp fields being cut throughout Illinois and Ohio, even down to Louisiana, that were using that type of machinery.

3:11:50SpeakerYes, they had to substantially increase the cutting and grinding blades. They had to actually come up with a new hardening technology because the plant is so tough that it would wear the machinery out in one or two harvests. And so this really... This is another thing that pot added growth to. Here these guys had to figure out how to make better metal in order to be able to do this.

3:12:15Etienne FontanWell, and it was also because you have to understand in the 30s and 35, they just started to play with ammonium nitrate. And by playing with fertilizers and things like that, they started to increase the yield and size of the diameter of the actual stalks because I have audio tapes of farmers saying that they could literally stand in their fields when they would put in their fertilizer and watch their literal fields grow right in front of them before their very eyes.

3:12:45SpeakerPretty much, you know, I grew a 30-foot tall plant in Southern California to show you how tough the root thing was. And it wintered over. And the next year, it came up again. So at the end of that year, we were afraid that they were going to come and look at the property because they had been looking at properties where we were in Southern California. So I went up to dig out the root.

3:13:09SpeakerNot a chance. I had to end up taking a backhoe up And hooking a backhoe to the stump, which was around nine inches across at the bottom. And the backhoe was having one hell of a time when it finally, and I dug around it quite a bit. And finally, when it pulled it up, it snapped off the taproot. The taproot was three and a half inches thick, and that was about 10 feet down.

3:13:34SpeakerSo, you know, that stuff. That's significant. I dried it and we pulled it in strips and my wife made a basket out of the strips. And I think now it's been 16, 17 years later. That basket doesn't even look like it has received any use. And believe you me, it has had the shit kicked out of it.

3:13:59Etienne FontanYeah, but that wasn't, that wasn't, we weren't growing like that in the Midwest, you know, but it was still, when you're talking, they were getting 20 to 30 foot hemp plants. That was quite significant when they had increased their yields and on top of that increased the size and diameter, which definitely, without a doubt, affected how they processed and how things were processed given the availability of the machinery and time in the day, you know.

3:14:27Etienne FontanEven today, there's not machinery that's really made unless it's specialized machinery. And it has to have an exceptional tensile strength to deal with that because it's very strong.

3:14:40SpeakerWell, it's interesting when we sit and we talk about hemp because the cultural evolution of Europe, I think, was completely hinged upon it being there as a natural resource. Because when you think of the so many things that we took for granted, the clothing, the ropes, the sails, the paints, the varnishes, the paper, It's all cannabis-based. Where would humanity be without cannabis? Well, it's not the cannabis that they're objecting to.

3:15:07SpeakerWhat they're objecting to is they don't want us to get high and be out of control. That's what they're objecting to. No, I don't think so because they sell, you know, look, I grew up in a state where you could still buy Everclear, 190 proof grain alcohol. So they don't give a fuck about you getting crazy. Alcohol is the epitome of getting wild and crazy and being out of control.

3:15:26SpeakerSo, you know, I hate to say they don't care, but they don't care. You know, Jack made a point, John, that the true motivation in outlawing cannabis hemp was because they were trying to adopt new technologies and DuPont actually put it right out. And they actually put in their shareholders' account that the revenue-raising powers of the government would force new acceptance or switch social change for new acceptance of new technologies.

3:15:53SpeakerAnd that new technology they were talking about was specifically nylon. Because in the mid-30s, they wanted to push nylon and they wanted hemp to get the fuck out of the way as a natural old competitor that people used and trusted. And this is why he felt, Jack felt, that they thrust upon us the word marijuana instead of cannabis. And when you go back and you read the testimony of William C. Woodward, who was a lawyer for the American Medical Association, After he was a doctor for the AMA, he testified to Congress that they shouldn't use the word marijuana because that was why there was confusion in the first place and more people didn't respond to objecting to the laws because they were confused about what the government was calling it.

3:16:36SpeakerAnd if they had called it cannabis hemp, there's no way they could have gotten any traction because that was something that was so old and ingrained into society at that point.

3:16:45BubblemanTherefore, use a Spanish word.

3:16:47SpeakerVota. Yeah, marijuana, you know, and invoke racism, and the first guy arrested was in Texas, you know, and it was a cultural pressure point they used, and I don't think they ever cared about us getting high, but Jack always pointed out, they immediately shut down the American hemp industry because They moved us into a petrochemical economy. The American war industry became huge. The military industrial complex looked at every, you know, they reorganized in the mid 20th century if we want to look at it reality or not.

3:17:21SpeakerBecause at the beginning of the 20th century, a majority of the things that nylon replaced were coming out of cannabis hemp. There was a huge cannabis hemp industry. Thank you for joining us.

3:17:53SpeakerWell, it's true, you know, the, uh,

3:18:22SpeakerThe word marijuana sounds Spanish. Sounds like...

3:18:26Etienne FontanBut it doesn't exist. It is not found before any time before 1909.

3:18:30SpeakerWe can find no reference before... Well, really, the Spanish... If you go to Mexico, unless you're right at the border, not everybody's going to get when you say, I want to get some marijuana. But when you say mota, everybody in Mexico knows exactly what the fuck you're talking about. And I don't see motawana or... That being, marijuana was a term that was popularized by that jackass who owned the paper who demonized it.

3:18:59Etienne FontanThe first person to put that two together was actually the secretary for Henry Anslinger. Her name is Helen Moorhead. Remember her name. She actually put cannabis and marijuana together. Her name could be demonized for the annals of history. Helen Moorhead is the one that put those two together for Anslinger.

3:19:23SpeakerI like that name, Moorhead.

3:19:28SpeakerInteresting, you know, I mean, this whole thing was, you know, this is also why I am so into pushing 64, John, because I think that it's been a real, this has been used, these laws have been used in very bigoted ways from the very start of them, and I, you know, even with medical cannabis in the state, you still see tens of thousands of arrests for misdemeanor amounts of cannabis that are mainly directed at people of color.

3:19:57SpeakerWell, I've had them directed at me and I'm not sure what color I am. I mean, I'm, you know, I range from pink to dirt. Hey, I've gotten arrested over and over again, but it's because I'm yelling, making noise and doing what I'm not supposed to do in their eyes. But if you look at it statistically and I went to prison, I met a lot of good people in prison that were not white because there's so many people in prison that are not white.

3:20:22SpeakerI appreciate that, but I don't ever want to meet anyone in prison. I mean, Just a personal thing. You gotta make friends wherever you are. You know what I mean? You gotta be cool, dude. I don't know what to say. It's like the military. It's not much different. It's a paramilitary experience to be blunt. We're all colored, man. This paper is white. You see this paper? That's the color white, people.

3:20:44SpeakerWe're all colored. We're all people of color, man. There's no such thing as white people. The other thing I wanted to mention was while it's true that a DuPont nylon parachute saved George Herbert Walker Bush when he jumped from his plane, it was held to him by

3:21:07SpeakerSo without hemp rope, the thing would have just not saved them at all. The switch to nylon from hemp was a bit of this planned obsolescence routine because hemp is much more durable than nylon ever could be. If you start making a bunch of hemp clothes and people are still wearing them five years and ten years later, you make a nylon shirt, it lasts for six, eight months, boom, out the door or into another shirt.

3:21:34SpeakerI think a lot of the petrochemical based items that we make and still make were artificially created to perform an artificial part of the economy that they could perpetuate endlessly and hire people to come down and work in their fucking factories where they make that shit where it's toxic instead of hiring them to go to a farm and farm hemp. It's because the people that have all the money have very, very shitty imaginations.

3:22:07SpeakerYou know what, this is literally out of Jack's book. He does the annual report for DuPont 1937. And what is amazing is right in it, they're talking to their investors and they literally say, the revenue raising power of government may be converted into an instrument for forcing acceptance of sudden new ideas of industrial and social reorganization. Pretty deep, man. And what was the Marijuana Tax Act? The Tax Act.

3:22:37SpeakerSo the revenue-raising power of government taxed cannabis out of their competition.

3:22:43Etienne FontanThe tax was so high that the individual farmer could not afford to pay it, so therefore they moved on to other crops, which had also led to the de-aguarianization of the United States and drove more people toward urban centers.

3:22:57SpeakerThe tax was only $1, $2, $3. That's right.

3:23:02Etienne FontanBut compared to other crops, it wasn't worth it.

3:23:05SpeakerNo, no. The tax was $1 or $2, but if you bought the stamp, they arrested you. That was the fucking problem. No, that's not true either. In the 30s and the 40s, farmers could get it for industrial hemp. It's absolutely true. I've got a whole bunch of them.

3:23:22Etienne FontanYeah, we used to have a Form 404, which we used to take around with us on the hemp tour, that we would show people the actual license that you could get.

3:23:31SpeakerThat's true. After they outlawed it, they used the tax stamp as a way. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:24:02Etienne FontanWell, that could be. Yeah, mid-50s, that's what I was aware of, yeah.

3:24:06SpeakerYeah, there's got to be a way we can bring back the history of this to people's consciousness, because if people really realized how much this was part of the American economy and agricultural scene, the idea of prohibiting it would be absurd. It still is. I've got a collection of both the federal ones and the state ones, maybe the most complete collection in the world of them.

3:24:30Etienne FontanYeah, I have the Arizona tax stamp, but I don't have many others. They were easy to access.

3:24:35SpeakerI have one of the first licenses issued in Colorado for a medical marijuana patient. One of the first ones that they issued it on the thing where it looked like a title for your car. In the 80s, Colorado also issued six marijuana tax stamps. I've got one of them. It's a $25 stamp for a quarter ounce. That's what a quarter ounce used to cost way back when.

3:25:07SpeakerWell, whatever, that's what the tax was because you had to buy the weed too. This didn't give you permission to have the weed. This just meant that if the police arrested you with this bag of weed, you wouldn't get arrested also for avoiding taxes. Yeah, that would be kind of secondary after getting busted for weed in those days.

3:25:32SpeakerBut it was an additional charge. And I think that this is kind of how they've always screwed us. You know, a lot of people don't realize, but if you use your cell phone in the commission of a crime, when you go to court, they charge you with using the cell phone. It's a felony. And a lot of people don't understand that. But when they text their friend to set up a bag of weed sale, they've just committed an extra felony on top of the felony of selling the bag of weed.

3:25:58SpeakerAnd you don't realize it until you get to court and they start hitting you with all these charges. Yeah, there's two... If there was two of them, it was conspiracy. That's why you should get yourself this tiny app called WhatsApp. Because WhatsApp, uh, Scrambles your text and your voice these days, both from end to end, and it only can be done on your phone. Unless, I mean, I suppose if they had a supercomputer and they were listening to you, they might be able to dope some of it.

3:26:29SpeakerI heard that the NSA is who made the WhatsApp, just so they could listen to everybody who wants to keep anything quiet. No, it's from phone to phone, Sam, so that doesn't...

3:26:41BubblemanIt's from Jan Coombe. Jan Coombe and Brian Acton.

3:26:44SpeakerThey own all the phone companies, too. And it was... All the phone manufacturers. WhatsApp has nothing to do with... WhatsApp has nothing to do with any phone companies.

3:26:56BubblemanWhatsApp was purchased by Facebook for $19 billion after years earlier they refused to hire Jan Coombe, who would have probably produced that for them for his wage.

3:27:10SpeakerYes, and then when they wanted to make it so that people could read it, there was such a backpack that finding Facebook... What's his name? Zuckerberg. Anyway, but it's still a good app because it does not, it encodes from end to end. And I know Sam said that they own the phone companies and that's true. But WhatsApp is not a phone company application and it wasn't. Previously, there's a few others around it.

3:27:50SpeakerAnd I was just fucking with you, John. It's just whenever anything is too good to believe, you know, like this is right now at this moment, then in the long run, you probably can't believe in it.

3:28:04BubblemanWell, you got to wonder where the value is for Facebook to pay $19 billion for an app that they can't gain any of the intelligence from.

3:28:13SpeakerYeah, it's in the user base. It's in the user base. They bought the user base. Think about it. How many people are signed up using it? They're sending like over a billion messages.

3:28:23BubblemanThat's like the tip of the iceberg that they're interested in. If they can't read the messages, the user base value is not as high as if they can.

3:28:29SpeakerNot to sound like a weirdo, but don't believe that. How do you think they busted Dred Roberts and the Pirate Bay and all this stuff they've done?

3:28:35SamThey can go. They don't know.

3:28:37SpeakerWell, that's what I'm saying. Maybe I'm too much of a geek, but I've never believed in internet anonymity. You're not anonymous on the internet. It will always trace you back. If you want that email to find your computer, so can the CIA.

3:28:54BubblemanWhat's that, John?

3:28:56SpeakerI'm not sure where the echo is coming from.

3:29:04SpeakerYeah, I was getting an echo when you talked too, John. That's so strange. How about now? Maybe it's because it was echoing to the CIA headquarters and back again. King and Langley and coming back. Yeah, slight delay. Don't you guys think that Google, Facebook, it's all got to be a spy network's wet dream. We walk around with these little phones that have GPSs, records our voices, we take selfies where we're standing.

3:29:32SpeakerA cop barely has to leave his desk to do any research on a person. Problem is we waste a lot of money on a bunch of paranoid motherfuckers who are running the show at the top end who can think only one thing that everybody's out to get us and everybody wants to bring us harm. And so therefore we need another $13 billion aircraft carrier and some more new jets that can fly faster than the speed of imagination.

3:29:57SpeakerAnd the rest of the crap that goes along with that, I mean, the weapons, in order to load one of those F-35s up with weapons, it costs almost... $35 million for a complete load of all the crap that they'll carry and go drop on somebody. That means we've empowered these guys to go spend $35 million at a whack. I mean, where is the...

3:30:32SpeakerThe money doesn't evaporate, man. It goes to their buddies. Their buddies own the big companies like Cheney. His buddies at Halliburton got mad cash after 9-11 happened. Mad cash. That's the point of it, isn't it? They had mad cash from Vietnam. They were in Vietnam raking the fucking money. They were building shit in Vietnam and doing stuff that was absolutely ridiculous and wasn't even used. There's a wonderful documentary called Why We Fight by Sony and BBC, and BBC sent these reporters in undercover because...

3:31:06SpeakerThey had interviews with people that would have never talked to anyone that had like a somewhat liberal agenda and being anti-war. And Why We Fight is a documentary you can find on the internet and it is absolutely fantastic. It opens with Eisenhower talking about how we have to fear the military industrial complex because after World War II they organized, they got into politics, and they didn't go away.

3:31:30SpeakerAnd this is what's been controlling our drug war. This has been militarizing our police departments. This has been our major problem. And until people wake up to the fact that the military industrial complex is their biggest problem, we're going to continue to have wars and horror and defense budgets throw the roof because nothing's stopping these colluded, corroded politicians from working with the armament companies. Look at the guy who's the head of the NSA.

3:31:56SpeakerWhenever he comes out to say something official, he's got that dark fucking blue uniform on with all that gold shit plastered all over it.

3:32:07SpeakerAnd then shiny gold stuff and stuff all over. And he's supposed to be an NSA guy, but he's all dressed up in a uniform, which says, suggests to you at any rate that he's part of the military. And this is all the guy who is the head of the figuring out all this stuff we're talking about at the NSA, you know, grabbing conversations and so forth for years.

3:32:30SpeakerThey're now retired and heads his own security company. And he's taking all the everything he learned at the NSA away with him and giving it to another corporation who you can be sure is deeply digging into your shit. So far now, I bet they can tell you what you ate for dinner yesterday.

3:32:52BubblemanYeah, we're definitely living in a very unique time where that's the trip, right? People get confident with their with their with their Their privacy when it seems as though perhaps there is no privacy. I'm pretty transparent myself.

3:33:09SpeakerI can see right through you.

3:33:11BubblemanSee? That's what I'm saying. It's because I'm white.

3:33:15SpeakerYeah, you're white Anglo-Saxon. Are you a Protestant too?

3:33:18BubblemanA prostitute? Well, earlier you did call us all whores. I enjoyed that part.

3:33:26SpeakerWell, I wasn't exactly calling everybody a whore.

3:33:29BubblemanNo, no, it was awesome. You were like, we're all whores.

3:33:33SpeakerWell, I think we are if the price is enough. I mean, if somebody would offer you a thousand, you'd probably say no. But if they offered you a million or one billion, I mean, where does it? Then once we've decided what kind of a person you are, we just have to get a more reasonable price.

3:33:58BubblemanI see you've tucked in, Sam.

3:34:01SpeakerThat is pretty cold, buddy. Yes, all politicians are basically on that. It's totally true. I mean, if we were really moral, and if we really, all of us, stuck to the same thing, like, say, treating every man like your brother or your father, and every woman like your mother or your sister or your wife, Thank you for watching. See you next time.

3:34:45SpeakerIf somebody's afraid of you, what's the first thing? I mean, if you're out in the woods and you come across some people and they're afraid of you, if they've got guns, they're going to bring them right up right away and point them at you. And basically, that's what they're doing. They get all the young guys, gather them up, take them to another country. Give them a gun and dump them off.

3:35:02SpeakerThose guys are there with guns. Somebody's going to shoot back at them. It creates an untenable situation, man. You don't want to be shot at. Believe me, I've had bullets whiz by my ear. I've had two bullets penetrate my abdomen. And I can tell you right now, I am not interested in guns, but I'm also not interested in seeing gun control because the assholes who are running things want to collect all the guns and disempower us.

3:35:26SpeakerThe only thing that keeps this country really free is It's the fact that they know that every single Tom, Dick, and Harry out there has got at least one gun somewhere, and if things go to shit, they're going to be willing to pull it out and use it.

3:35:39BubblemanBut how do you fight, say, like an aircraft carrier or like missiles or drones? Like the government is way beyond having guns, let's be honest. These motherfuckers have taken this shit to the whole next level. The army, the military, holy Christ. You see some of those weird ocean guns they've been working on, those big... I agree with you, Mark.

3:36:00SpeakerIf you have to get at their level and fight it out with weapons, then they've already won.

3:36:06BubblemanWell, I think that unless you've got like an Apache helicopter or a hundred or so, and even at that point, they have thousands of them with tanks and

3:36:16SpeakerOkay, I would point out some anecdotal evidence here. The fucking Afghanis have managed to run Russia out of Afghanistan. They're damn close to running everybody else out of Afghanistan. And they're using weapons that are handmade in markets and so forth. It comes down to resolve. And plus, you think our government is going to successfully turn our own soldiers back against us in any significant way? I think that'll be the biggest mistake they ever made in their lives.

3:36:44SpeakerBecause all of those soldiers who won't believe in that have a gun in their hands.

3:36:48BubblemanI think it's why they created the United Nations Army, so they could put soldiers from other countries into countries to police those people.

3:36:56SpeakerThey won't be showing up here. Yeah.

3:36:59Etienne FontanWell, it would still require ratification of two-thirds of the states to actually overturn anything having to do with guns. So, I mean, the reality is it's nothing. It's status quo.

3:37:10BubblemanThere's no gun. Guns aren't going anywhere in the U.S. anyway.

3:37:15Etienne FontanAs the Japanese emperor said, we could never attack the American mainland because there is a gun behind every blade of grass. And so our own government knows that, and that's why they've built all these other things to control us and keep us in control and make us realize that you go ahead and you can have your gun.

3:37:37BubblemanRight?

3:37:38Etienne FontanRight?

3:37:39SpeakerWell, I mean, this is a very inventive society. You know, whatever they come up with, somebody will come up with the thing to go against it. That's for sure. You can shoot drones down. You can shoot helicopters. Afghanis prove they shoot helicopters down all the time. All the time you see it in the news. Latest Black Hawk helicopter. 37 guys on it shot down by some Afghani guy with a Chinese-made $32 grenade, rocket-propelled grenade.

3:38:12SpeakerAnd so, you know, you can't just discount it and say, oh, yeah, it's an automatic win for them because... You know, the other thing we have to bring to it is we have to bring political pressure along with the idea of we're sick and fucking tired of this. If we don't add we're sick and fucking tired of this onto it as an energy, how are we going to get it anywhere?

3:38:32SpeakerI mean, if we're just saying, gee, we'd like you to change things, fuck that. You know, we need to change things so much. That will put you out of office and find somebody open to the idea of making things start to happen that are good for all of us instead of the elite. But, you know, how can we do that other than through intellectual pressure? It's not like we're going to put our arms and go against the government.

3:38:58SpeakerThat's silly. No, no. It's not so easy, Todd, because there's a sucker born every minute. And unfortunately, that means a lot of young kids who are willing to join the military and go off and fight for wars that have no real reason, except for the industrial military complex is out of control.

3:39:20Etienne FontanYep, I was kept so young, dumb, and ignorant through my Louisiana education that, you know, I didn't investigate who I was actually realizing what government or whose government I was actually fighting for. I swore an oath to defend my own country, and where did I fight? And the same as where, you know, John fought, somewhere else in Asia at the reference of somebody else. I've still never defended my own freedom in the military.

3:39:49Etienne FontanI have as an individual citizen, but the realities are that they keep us dumb so that we don't investigate where we truly go so that you have cannon fodder like myself and others to actually sign up and actually go play.

3:40:03SpeakerAt the behest of the oil companies and the elite, we are going to wars. There's no fucking war recently, and I challenge you, Sam, to tell me a war that was fought for some good reason. I'd love to hear the explanation of that. Sam and I are conscientious objectors. Are you kidding? Well, I wouldn't say I'm a conscientious objector. I would say I am. I would say in general, most wars are fucking scams.

3:40:31SpeakerIf we were going to go to Afghanistan because of the explosion in New York and Afghanistan, Maybe we should have been able to do it in three to six months maximum. We got the fuck out of Dodge. But Afghanistan is a great example. When the information came out that they found all those vast minerals that have never been mined, that's really the reason we're there. I'm not trying to be rude or anything.

3:40:57SpeakerPeople who flew those airplanes in the buildings were Saudis, not Afghan. They're all from Saudi Arabia. That aside, all of these adventures we've gone on have been for some type of economic gain. And, you know, when you start seeing where, you know, really we went into the world's second largest oil field and disrupted it. Really, that's a surprise. We're now in Afghanistan for the past, what, 15 years doing what?

3:41:23Etienne FontanWell, also, too, Todd, part of the reason...

3:41:26SpeakerI buried my cousin due to Afghanistan, so... Part of the reason for Afghanistan was, originally, 20 years ago, we wanted to prevent the Russians from being able to get Balochistan in Pakistan and getting a warm water port. It was really that simple. They didn't want to be able to run natural gas or gasoline through pipes through Afghanistan into Balochistan which at the time they were trying to ferment revolution down there also.

3:41:57Etienne FontanAnd why do you think Syria is a clusterfuck right now? It's because they wanted a pipeline that The, you know, the actual head of the country said, nope, we're not going to do. And out of that, they actually are letting that become an absolute quagmire and clusterfuck because it has to all have to do with running a pipeline.

3:42:15SpeakerYeah, but that Syrian president that killed all these people now has finally killed enough people so he qualifies to be a religious leader. Well, you know, can I bring this up? I mean, obviously, and I think that since the 20th century, you know, when Rudolph Diesel's engine, in a sense, became an engine that was run on petrochemical-based fuels instead of vegetable-based fuels, which is when he patented it in the 1890s, he envisioned the machine that he created running on the fuels that were created by the plants that it was pushing in the fields, if you will.

3:42:49SpeakerNot economically. He put it into the loop. He didn't do it. Can't do it. Not economical. Not in the world of cheap oil and cheap petroleum. Oh, hold on. In the 1890s, there was no world of cheap petroleum. It was a small niche market like we talk about solar. And the only fuel that you could count on was fuel you could grow. No, you can't make a liquid fuel.

3:43:14SpeakerHe wasn't looking into the future. He didn't know what petrochemical economics in the 1930s, 40s, 50s on was going to look like. He didn't know about Royal Dutch Shell. He had patented an engine and he expected it to run on the fuels available to everyday people. And that was the fuels that we could make ourselves. It's really not a stretch. You know what I mean? Who could perceive that we would be building, you know, Dubai into a major metropolis because they were sitting on the world's largest oil reserve?

3:43:43SpeakerI mean, part of what Jack Herrer really did teach is that by pitting hemp out of the fuel business, because you can make three types of fuel with hemp. You can make ethanol, methanol, and hemp seed biodiesel. Not economically. Not economically. Hold on a minute. If oil petrochemicals wasn't so subsidized by our tax dollars and American money, Would it be economical to bring oil halfway around the world and drive it around in Colorado?

3:44:11SpeakerOr would it be more economical for the guy in Kansas to grow corn that turns into ethanol that you use the state over? That's a fucking disaster in Kansas, the ethanol thing. Listen, I dealt with the biggest company in Kansas who was growing corn to change it into ethanol. And they wanted to use my process to defat the corn before they put it in the reactor to change it to alcohol because a whole bunch of fat in the alcohol, I'm sure Mark, you will agree, was a definite slap in the head for the process and it wouldn't turn over.

3:44:43SpeakerAnd I finally brought them to the idea to the table, hey, you defat the corn first and then you take the oil and then you change it and then you get 100% really nice fast conversion. And even with that, and these guys had all of the corn sewed up for as far as the eye could see, they ended up going bankrupt because the whole industry is an industry that is footnoted or paid for by the government, state and federal.

3:45:08SpeakerThat's right. It's not economically feasible, and it takes corn to be food or animal feed out of the equation. And it's a big fucking disaster. It just went nowhere. You know, I spent a whole year. Which I now consider a complete waste of fucking time, even though he made some money, just because of the whole way it went down. That subsidizing thing is not a guarantee. Well, I'm not talking to that extent.

3:45:36SpeakerYou know what I'm saying in a sense is that we as citizens should have a right to be able to produce alternative energies. For almost 10 years, ATN drove around a biodiesel Volkswagen and ran his whole life on non-petrochemical fuel. So it can be done. It's just it can't. You know, look, as long as the government is subsidizing tankers floating halfway around the world to drop off oil that corrupts the market so that locally we can't grow plants that can make the energy we need, we're never going to be able to compete.

3:46:07Etienne FontanWell, we have to understand why it's not also economically feasible is because I actually, when I had a biodiesel vehicle, I could only get my biodiesel Thank you for watching.

3:46:33Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

3:46:51Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

3:47:07Etienne FontanI had to breathe that shit in, literally. And I didn't want to deal with that. And so to do that, I see that this small company that actually opened up its own gas station in Berkeley, they actually go around with a sucking machine and actually suck out grease locally and manufacture their own biodiesel. But they can't do that nationally because there's laws against it even here in California.

3:47:29Etienne FontanSo you even have to change the laws just for your own fuel people. And that's what it showed me. The reality is, but you can make your own B99 directly from hemp seed oil without any issue. But however, the legality of where you are and who's actually making it with how you like that action to completely cock block you from the get go.

3:47:49BubblemanWell, let's not forget the value of hemp oil either. If you go on to Google and just punch in, you know, cost of hemp oil per liter, you know, I think Nativa sells a 750 ml bottle for about 27 Canadian dollars. So that's close to 20 US dollars for less than a liter. It's hard to take that product and turn it into something when you know that there's a marketplace that will pay this for it.

3:48:16BubblemanYou know, 20 bucks a liter is expensive.

3:48:18SpeakerHe's talking about using recycled frying oil or recycled oil from your local Chinese restaurant, and that's fine because... But they don't use hemp oil. Right, right. He's talking about vegetable oil. Exactly, exactly. You're repurposing it. But here's the ultimate issue. First of all, you cannot make a liquid fuel from a plant. You just cannot make it economically because the cost of all... Thank you for joining us.

3:49:11SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:49:40Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us today.

3:50:08Etienne FontanIf we had the land bank in America actually growing hemp on mass, 300 to 400 feet per square meter, we're talking a completely different discussion altogether.

3:50:17SpeakerBut listen, there's a car and a tractor in Japan that run off water. You just pour water in the fucking gas tank and off you go. And when the water's gone, you pour another one in and off it goes again. But do you think they're going to allow that here? I know some people who have been trying to import that car from Japan. What lubrication does it use?

3:50:56SpeakerOil. They use synthetic oil in the crankcase for the engine. The engine runs off the hydrogen generated by the water. But that's you can look YouTube it yourself and find Japanese car that runs on water. And you find the whole story about it. And now they've developed a tractor fan that runs off water. So why can't, I mean, why are we so tied up with wanting to make fuel from marijuana seeds and stuff when it has so many other uses?

3:51:24SpeakerAnd let's just get to using the thing that's the most abundant on the surface of the planet and pour water in the fucking tank. Hydrogen don't work, John. You don't get enough power from the combustion of hydrogen to power an internal combustion engine. You just don't. That's the laws of physics. Tell these guys who made the tractor in Japan because they haven't been told that yet, I guess.

3:51:48SpeakerHydrogen fuel cells are around. And again, I think, again, you can certainly get some fuel out of it, but can you drive, you know, 150 miles at 70 miles an hour down the road like we're used to in a gasoline-powered car? Probably not. Yes. In fact, YouTube it and educate yourself a little bit. This car will drive anywhere on water. What's it called? You want to check it on YouTube?

3:52:17SpeakerIt's a Japanese water car.

3:52:19BubblemanIt's hard to find though. They call it the gas engine. So when you Google it, it doesn't come up right away. Joking.

3:52:27SpeakerOkay. Cool. That's the question. Is the fuel hydrogen? Water. Thank you for joining us.

3:52:55SpeakerIt's got to come from somewhere, man. I could actually tell you how many electron volts it takes to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen. And even if you can do that electrically, which you can, it's called electrolysis, hydrogen at such a very low rate does not give you enough horsepower to push a plane through the air or to push a boat across the water or to push a car down the road.

3:53:22SpeakerIt just does not. It does. Brother, Mark, let me fill you in. You need to read about it. Go online and find that out and read it because they don't make a plane. But they've put it in boats, they've put them in cars, and they've put it in tractors. And maybe it takes an electrical battery charge in the system to start, but once it starts running, it's making it off of this chamber, which is producing, and they have gotten vast, vast improvements in how to electrolyze the water to make it release the hydrogen.

3:53:58SpeakerAnd they're doing it by even putting fine powdered solutions of metals In the thing and causing, it's all about surface area is what you're talking about, about getting enough surface area to produce enough hydrogen to use it as a fuel. And in Japan, they've taken leaps and bounds on this because here we're not paying as close attention because we're busy peddling what the oil comes. The problem is, is that when you burn hydrogen, you get a very small amount of energy.

3:54:28SpeakerWhen you burn hydrocarbon, you get a much greater amount of energy. I mean, this is thermodynamics. You just... I understand that. You're just not going to get it. They're getting somewhere with it.

3:54:42SpeakerThe Japanese are very inventive people and they're looking hard because you've got to remember they're living on an island where they don't have any fucking thing.

3:54:53SpeakerThey get the fish out of the water and everything else is imported. Including the radioactivity out of Fukushima every day, right? No, they're exporting that. Yeah, that's it.

3:55:07BubblemanOn the backs of horses who are just making their way home.

3:55:12SpeakerAnyway, that's my cue. When I found out that guy was doing that, I just fell off the chair laughing.

3:55:22BubblemanHe's like, I got the horses doing it for me.

3:55:25SpeakerYeah. All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. You know why? Because they let the horses go at it first and you can't glue a shell together with these fucking hooves. That's a shell of a story. It is a shell of a story. Thanks for today. Today was a fun conversation, Mark. I liked it.

3:55:43BubblemanI can't believe it was four hours, dude. I was really surprised at how fast the last hour went, and I definitely want to thank everyone for coming and sharing their time. Always a pleasure to have the discussion and have everyone represented, you know, like someone just said, thank you, Mark Scaldone, for representing the skeptics. Hey, you've got to represent the skeptics, got to represent science, got to represent the spiritual world.

3:56:06BubblemanI think we're covering all the bases here on Hash Church. And after four hours of conversation today, I'm happy to say this is the end of Hash Church 105. Till next time, in one week, we shall see you again. And of course, thank you everybody, Etienne, Skunkman Sam, Indra, Mark Scaldone. Todd McCormick and all the people who came and left and all the people who weren't on today.

3:56:30BubblemanOf course, thank you, Subcool, for sharing your time with us. And I know we're going to see you again soon. And it's going to inspire me to do a nice little grow panel here in the near future. So keep watching Hash Church, everybody, and we will see you next week. Peace out, everybody.

3:56:44SpeakerThanks for the laughs, guys. Always a pleasure.