Cannabis Storage, Terpenes, and Equipment

0:01BubblemanAll right. Well, hello, everybody. Welcome to Hash Church episode 106. I am going to go through my morning rituals here, of course, of muting the YouTube stream as it starts and then sending off the links to all of our wonderful guests that are probably eagerly anticipating the links. I'm sure they're all just properly ready, sitting there anxious and ready to get these links. Maybe not, but in reality, I'm going to send out these links now.

0:30BubblemanSeems like it's taking a little bit of time for the YouTube stream to start going. Ah, there it is. Must refresh. Okay, well, I'll refresh. Link that up. Okay, great. Here we go. Sending out the Facebook links. Boom. Sending out the Skype link. That is to Mr. Chimera. And a couple of email links. One to Mr. Indra. And one to Mr. Cool. The Cool of Sub, that is.

1:04Bubbleman237 people in the room. I've got my denail heating up as hot as hot can be. And let's get, oh, Skunk Man Sam beats Etienne to the punch and comes in first.

1:19SpeakerWell, I tried because I saw you post that Etienne would be first like usual. I just wanted to see if I could change reality.

1:28BubblemanYou totally changed reality. And you know, one of the reasons at the end of the show each week, if you've noticed, it chooses a photo to put as the little avatar for the Hash Church. And very often, it's myself or Etienne. And I figured out that it's in the first minute that when it, the first minute of church, when it sees someone, it records that as the picture.

1:51SpeakerHey, they're slowpoke.

1:53BubblemanHey!

1:57Etienne FontanI know, that's rather funny. I'm the slow cook.

1:59BubblemanHow's everybody? Happy 106? Damn, Johnny B, I thought you were in your lab coat. You're in your terry cloth.

2:06SpeakerYeah, it's one of those good mornings, you know, doing a grassroots tour here on the island and having a blast.

2:14BubblemanDude, you look like a pimp. I love it.

2:18SpeakerIt looks like he's in the shower. Check out the balcony at the hotel here. Check this out. I got my own private balcony.

2:24BubblemanThat's your balcony with no windows?

2:26SpeakerNo, no, it's like mine. I can sit here. I got the dab rig going.

2:29BubblemanThat's awesome. That's awesome.

2:31SpeakerIt's like the best hotel I've ever been in. I'm like, really?

2:33BubblemanI get my own dab little balcony? Johnny B pimping.

2:38SpeakerI'm pimping it out today.

2:40BubblemanI like it. I like it.

2:41SpeakerIt suits you well. I figured, you know what? I haven't done the pimp yet. So I was like.

2:45Ryan Dank AfPimp church.

2:46SpeakerPimp church. Morning, everybody. And I tried to log in this morning, Sam, and it wouldn't let me go in because you had to be first this time. That's awesome.

2:57BubblemanThat is good. Well, we're going to have a nice episode. I invited a couple of different people in today. I'm hoping Dr. Bob gets the link. I'm very excited to have him come in and share a little bit with us in regards to his reality and what he's been doing the last... Geez, I'm sure for 10 or 20 plus years now, he's definitely a good speaker and has some good abilities.

3:19BubblemanI know Etienne is familiar with him as well.

3:22SpeakerEtienne, I got a question for you. Okay, now you've heard of the cannabinoid or endocannabinoid deficiency syndrome or whatever it's called, yes? And if somebody has a malfunctioning Bob, Jean, the mechanism that breaks down the endocannabinoids then or their body produces too many endocannabinoids. Is there an illness related to having too many endocannabinoids?

3:55Etienne FontanWe've not seen such things or as we know, overdoses can lead to sleep. And pizza. And pizza and munchies and various other forms.

4:07SpeakerUsually when you look at illnesses, there's a bell curve, you know, extremes on both sides. Yeah. I'd be surprised if it was only on one side of the curve. Oh, I agree.

4:19Etienne FontanIt's just like I found people who are actually allergic to cannabis. You know, some people just like allergic to anything else. They have allergies.

4:26SpeakerSo just be on whack and produce way too many. Or what even be easier is some sort of inhibition of the degradation of it.

4:38Etienne FontanOr the or the, you know, scepter reception degradation. There's all kinds of things that can happen in today's pharmacopoeia. You know what I'm saying?

4:46SpeakerI do know that you can test endocannabinoid levels in vitro in people by using what Mark uses, nuclear resonance. NMR, proton NMR.

5:02BubblemanNMR.

5:02SpeakerCorrect. I've just recently read where people are doing that.

5:08BubblemanWell, perhaps this hypermesis, people vomiting and acquiring the urge to sit in water, perhaps that's the other spectrum of cannabis because it is interesting that cannabis can modulate nausea, can almost destroy nausea so quickly, but then to have on the other end of the stick cannabis giving people nausea, it's definitely interesting.

5:32Etienne FontanYeah, I lived with somebody who had hypermesis and she, what happened when she was actually going through childbirth, she was actually having a child and it used to cause her to, that cyclical vomiting, it was unstoppable. She would sit there in the shower, in the hot shower, and then I'd give her some of my hash, and that would help subside it. But besides that, there was nothing.

5:59Etienne FontanIt was just gut-wrenching to watch somebody suffer, and there's nothing you can do.

6:04SpeakerI mean, you're saying, Etchen, when you're talking about the CVS, six-week morning syndrome, I have a friend that has it, and hash seems to work for her. It's funny, she gets into solvents, it doesn't work, the shadows, it makes her more sick, but She's always wanting hash. And when you just said that, it just kind of made me think, because I do try to help her out here and there, and it's just hard to see somebody who suffers that much.

6:26SpeakerI understand that.

6:27Etienne FontanYeah, it was fascinating to me as I tried getting her all different types of, You know, because I have a dispensary, so we tried every type of thing, and the only thing that was working was actually my mix, where, you know, I take and I constantly mix all my concentrates together. This is probably a blend of about 500. And so it's the whole endo, it's the whole spectrum.

6:51Etienne FontanSo for her, it seemed to work, but I would have loved to see science to actually walk it back and see, you know, what was the actual trigger and what was the actual receptor. Receiving which compound that is actually doing it, because we know out of the many compounds in there, one of them is actually, or a combination of them are actually unlocking the keys.

7:13BubblemanWelcome Mark to the room.

7:16MarkHey everyone, how are you guys doing today?

7:19BubblemanWell, we're doing pretty good. I think it's about that time. Rob would be, he'd be thinking, man, these guys have been on for eight minutes and I haven't seen them blow any smoke towards the Vatican.

7:29SpeakerOkay, let's do that.

7:30Etienne FontanActually, I did. I did my morning ball. We must do our dutiful duty.

7:37MarkWhich way is the Vatican anyway? Vatican this direction?

7:41SpeakerAll directions. It's in your heart. I'm not sure which way it is from where everybody is, but I spoke a long time to Rob on Skype yesterday, and he's in Turkey having fun, working on his documentary of the turkey hemp industry, and he ain't smoking at all. Because Turkey's flipped out about Americans right now. They think that they fomented a revolution or a coup attempt. And so he has to be very, very careful in Turkey.

8:14BubblemanAh, yes, because we all know coups are often associated with Americans.

8:19Etienne FontanAlso pigeons.

8:22BubblemanAmerican pigeons.

8:24Etienne FontanThat was an old Bill Hicks thing, you know. Scattered on the grassy knoll that day were pigeons. And you could hear them in the distance.

8:31Ryan Dank AfCool, cool, cool.

8:36MarkLike a thousand points of light.

8:39BubblemanLike a thousand points of light. Well, I'm ready to have a little b-b-b-b-b-b-bong rip.

8:46Etienne FontanWhat are you flavoring on today?

8:49BubblemanOh, a little 120 Congo bubble hash squished into rosin.

8:54Etienne FontanDamn, that's sexy.

8:57SpeakerI got these awesome distillate with some terps that are something right here. Tasty. I got to the island and got hooked up through Potent Industry with some Lindsay OG and some Roji OG. Tried them both and wow. Got some fire here on the island. Really happy.

9:20BubblemanAs I saw Etienne holding up his dabs. But John was talking. I thought it was John holding up his dabs. And I was like, whoa, Johnny B with the ATN style dabs. I like it.

9:34Etienne FontanGot to come prepared for hash church.

9:38BubblemanWell, someone asked if we could discuss CBD isolates. That's Connor Jones. And what I want to answer Connor right now is that I have invited my friends from Sinner Tech Labs in Colorado. You can check them out on Instagram. They're the guys that make the beautiful, almost like a quartz crystal, but it's pure CBV isolate. They are going to come on Hash Church in the next week or two.

10:03BubblemanI told them that it would be best if they could have some isolate crystallized up, nice big crystals to show. And so they're going to be coming on and we're going to have a big old hour or two hours of just discussing isolates. And I may also invite, what was his name now? I may also invite Nenad. From the Root Sciences. And if you guys remember a while ago, Brett Maverick went to Root Sciences and he did a video on their Short Path Molecular Distillation Machine.

10:36BubblemanAnd these guys have quite a unit. The video is definitely worth checking out. If you haven't already checked it out on Brett Maverick's channel, you'll literally be able to punch in. Short Path. Molecular Distillation, Brett Maverick, and it'll come up. They're also going to be invited on to that show as well, so we'll have a nice here in the next couple of weeks. I want to have a good, good show on, you know, the molecular separation and these sort of things.

11:03MarkYeah, I visited them last week, Mark. I was up there and went to both them and Heidolf, not Heidolf. Helder Pad, the other folks who make a short pad distillation unit. Yeah, the VTA one's real sweet that Root Sciences has.

11:23BubblemanYeah, they got a nice unit.

11:24MarkIt's expensive, but it's nice.

11:26BubblemanYeah, it sure is. 160,000 US. I'm actually moderating a panel with Root Science who's on the panel in a couple of weeks here at the International Cannabis Business Conference in Vancouver. Oh, cool. Yeah, on the 14th.

11:39MarkCool. Is it Sam? Who from Root Science is going to be on there? Yeah.

11:43BubblemanNinad. Yeah, Ninad Ashrati. Ninad, N-A-D, yeah.

11:50MarkOkay, cool, cool. Yeah, I went and visited them. The guy that was operating the instrument, God, I can't remember his name. Oh, Hamilton.

11:59BubblemanOkay. Yeah. I also met Mike Bishop from Heidolf, the company you just mentioned. He was here at the Lyft conference, and I'm going to definitely try to get him on as well, and he's been selling these units for quite some time. Yep, there you go.

12:17MarkHamilton is a really, really knowledgeable guy, and their BHO guy is a guy named Corey, this fellow named Corey here. So he's a good guy too. So Corey and Hamilton, yeah, that's a really impressive unit, Mark. Did you actually check it out yourself? Or no, no, you can't come down to the States.

12:35BubblemanThey invited me to come check it out, and I have a waiver. I could literally send it in and say this is going to be the trip, but I'm kind of waiting for the perfect trip. Thank you so much.

12:56MarkI would assume that, again, if you're making that kind of investment, that you should be allowed to visit the facility that you're going to buy this from. And that's a business thing, and it's not necessarily, you know, I don't know.

13:07BubblemanThey seem pretty generous in that sense. Like, it seems like even if you're not going to buy the unit, they're happy to kind of invite a certain... People over there to check it out.

13:19MarkI was just thinking about justifying you coming into the States. I mean, if you're making that kind of investment on equipment, you should be allowed to come and see the equipment before you make the investment.

13:28BubblemanAbsolutely. Absolutely. And really, in reality, if you want to inspire people to buy your machine, you would let people who had no plans on buying your machine come see your machine.

13:40MarkAbsolutely, yeah, they probably want to get as much PR as they possibly can. Yeah, I was impressed with the operation of the instrument. It's really very, very impressive. It has an incredible throughput, too. So if you're going to make that kind of level of investment and you're processing that much material, it certainly makes... What is the throughput, Mark?

14:03SpeakerPardon me? I said, what is the throughput, Mark?

14:07MarkYeah, so if you have unlimited amount of material coming through and, you know, a reasonable work day, I think they were talking about like a 14-hour day, they could make probably about 15 pounds of isolate.

14:20BubblemanHmm.

14:21Mark15 to 20 pounds isolate depending.

14:23BubblemanYeah, I have numbers here.

14:27MarkDepends on the efficiency of your separation and you have to have completely decarboxylated material going in. But again, if you don't have a whole lot of waxes or fats and it's an easy distillation, one rip does it. Some people do multiple processing through there because you really want to make it really pure, which is going to tie up the instrument longer, obviously. Right.

14:49BubblemanWell, I'm definitely looking forward to having a chat. It's a strange panel that I'm moderating. I'm hoping on getting Tony onto the panel, which will make it a little bit more homey for me, but I've got one guy from Apex Super Critical, and I've got the guy from Root Science who cleans up the guy from Apex Create.

15:11MarkWell, and Marcus, you've made a connection with Mike Bishop. You know, Mike Bishop's a good old fish head friend of ours from back in the day. I know him. He's a local boy here. He knows some of my homies. And he, yeah, works for Heidoff, which is basically the Rotovat people, and they also make all kinds of laboratory equipment. But they've been asked to... Thank you for joining us.

15:45MarkIt just happened to be the end of October when Fish is in Las Vegas. That was a wonderful coincidence. But yeah, so we're going to do a quick little like 25-second segment on an Ed Begley Jr. show that's going to be on Discovery Channel coming up here in a couple months.

16:04BubblemanOh, very nice.

16:05MarkAnd you'll see me talking about winterization using hide-off rotovaps.

16:11BubblemanAwesome. Yeah, no, Mike was great. I just met him a couple weeks ago at the Lyft conference and definitely linked up and made a point on going and seeing him and his girlfriend afterwards. We went and linked up at the Vapor Lounge and had some good conversation.

16:24MarkAbsolutely, Marcus. He's a good guy. He's just a right on dude. He's totally, he's a fish head like us.

16:30BubblemanAbsolutely, yeah. No, that was noticeable right away. We got 654 people watching Hash Church at 916 on a Sunday morning.

16:41MarkHeidolf's also been sponsoring some of the social events that the American Chemical Society Division of Cannabis Chemistry has been happening. And so these guys certainly see the promise that there's going to be a lot of chemists employed in this industry in years to come. And so Mike is part of that market facing team that Heidolf has said, hey, we're going to sell road evaporators into this market.

17:03MarkWe might as well embrace it.

17:05BubblemanOh yeah, not only that, but I asked him, what do you think this company will think years from now when this branch is one of the largest branches of the entire company? You're going to be a big part of that, Mike. You've got to be happy about that. He was just like, oh, that would be great. If that's the future, that would be great. I sure think it's definitely likely.

17:27MarkWell, I mean, the road evaporators, there's a lot of companies that sell them, but if you look out there, Heidolf makes really sort of like the Cadillac of them. Yes.

17:36BubblemanGenerally, if anything like that that you're having made in Germany,

17:44MarkThose fuckers got it dialed in, man.

17:46BubblemanListen, I'll never forget in my life going to the Herbert Arnold factory with Nate Dizzle and Steve Hopps, two amazing glassblowers. And, well, Martin sent us. He didn't actually come with us from Ruhr. We left from his place in Ruhr, and he said, you got to go check out this factory. But it really sort of opened my eyes. I always knew the Germans were on point for manufacturing and producing almost at a terrifying level.

18:13BubblemanBut going to this factory literally freaked me out because it was just impossible. Every aspect of it was impossible. It was so big. It was so huge. The things they were designing in there made no sense. Like it looked like they were building space stations to float around the Earth.

18:28MarkThey were doing chemistry, you know, 200 years ago that, you know, it's just amazing what they were doing way back then. And yeah, the Swiss have it dialed in too. And really a lot of this high-end chemical manufacturing equipment comes from Switzerland. I know high-end candy manufacturing and chocolate manufacturing, a lot of that stuff comes from Switzerland. But, you know, go back to what you were saying before about CBD isolates, Mark.

18:55MarkYou know, there's so many different ways to... Thank you for joining us.

19:27MarkIt's a good purification method, that's for sure.

19:31SpeakerAnd Mark, how stable is THC, excuse me, CBD-A crystals versus CBD crystals? What's their stability?

19:45MarkI don't really know. I mean, I do know that it readily does decarboxylate just like THCA, but you can melt it so its melting point is prior to its decarboxylation point. But I think that, again, like anything, the decarboxylation is constantly happening, but as soon as you elevate temperature, it's just going to accelerate it. So the reaction rate just becomes linearly accelerated with temperature. I think it really depends, Sam.

20:14MarkThe question is, what is the grade of purity of your CBDA? Can you actually crystallize CBDA in the presence of CBD? And maybe these folks that Mark is bringing on can shed some light on that.

20:29SpeakerI know that when we tested cannabis that we stored in the dark in a cool room, even after two years, Very little of it was in fact decarboxylated. Most of it was still at MTHCA. It surprised us, and very little of it had broken down into CBN also. It's all a function of how you store it, right? Well, we kept it in boxes, cool and dark. But all the terpenes, or most of them, were gone after two years.

21:07MarkWhere were they packaged? Was this grown in Europe? It was grown in my greenhouse, correct. I'm one of those proponents that whenever you package up the herb, you're basically also packaging a sample of the biome that's around that herb. I think when El Soli packages up his stuff down in Mississippi, he brings a whole lot of other stuff along with it because it seems like the storage conditions in Mississippi are maybe not ideal for cannabis.

21:41MarkIt starts to degrade. You know, he starts to see decarboxylation like almost instantly, right? Based on his numbers that he's published.

21:50SpeakerWe had low cool temperatures and it did decarboxylate a little bit, but surprisingly little and really hardly any at all, CBN.

22:02MarkRight.

22:03SpeakerWhereas all the terpenes were pretty much gone. It was flat.

22:07MarkSo that's weird. So you got terpene loss, but no decarboxylation on storage.

22:13SpeakerCorrect. Yes. And we started for two years in big boxes with a kilo or a kilo two of buds on the stick.

22:26MarkNot in plastic bags?

22:28SpeakerNo, no, no.

22:30MarkOh my gosh, right in the box. Holy shit.

22:33SpeakerYeah, that's why I'm saying this.

22:37MarkSo didn't the box just absorbed all the terpenes? The terpenes just got absorbed by a cardboard box, right? You mean craft paper, like brown?

22:47SpeakerLike a cardboard box, what it actually was. Marcus will have seen them before. They're algemir flower boxes. Yeah, okay, okay. They're about four feet long by maybe two feet wide. And maybe a little more than a foot or so tall.

23:05BubblemanI have a pretty good photo of like Richard Rose and Rob Clark and Hillary Black and Barge sitting in Rob's apartment, passing one of those boxes around.

23:18SpeakerDoes air get in and out of those boxes? A little bit on the ends because there are finger holes on both ends. There's two little oval slots that you can grip the box really easy with.

23:36MarkYeah, it's surprising that you don't see more cannabinoid degradation, right? No, but we didn't. We kept looking and kept looking.

23:42SpeakerWe really didn't find it.

23:46MarkYeah, well, you basically enveloped it in a box that was absorbed by all the terpenes absorbed into the box and kept all the fungi and bugs away from the weed, maybe. Who knows?

23:57SpeakerThe whole office facility is distinct because we had 600 kilos there.

24:07MarkYeah, cardboard is not a good barrier at all, right?

24:12BubblemanI'll tell you, it's a great desiccant, though.

24:14SpeakerNo, and it's really good for curing cannabis for three months in. Yeah, no doubt.

24:23MarkYeah, I'm surprised you didn't see more rot or mold or smell like mustiness.

24:27SpeakerNo, zero, zero, zero, zero. Mark, it's the same thing. It's because the moisture content. When we put it in, the moisture content was already like 10% or 12% at the most. It was really fucking low.

24:39BubblemanI mean, I found the same thing.

24:40MarkRight, so you're already in the good zone.

24:42BubblemanWhen I started drying water hash in the early days in the Pacific Northwest, it was next to impossible to dry water hash. So coming up with the idea of grating it into powder and then putting it on a thick, thick cardboard, one that wouldn't release fibers. And everyone was like, oh, that's no good. No, it's going to contaminate. It's going to do this. It's going to do that.

25:01BubblemanWell, I photographed that shit with a pretty powerful macro lens. I smoked that shit with an extremely sensitive bioassay, and never did I ever see anything negative in using cardboard to dry my hash.

25:14SpeakerI used pizza boxes. And cardboard sucks moisture almost as good as a paper towel.

25:20BubblemanOh, it sucks moisture. It's a desiccant. It literally pulls it out. And I'll also say that when I was done pulling out the moisture from my water hash, that my cardboard boxes did not in any way, shape, or form smell like terpenes. There was no smell to the box. It was just a cardboard box. And the hash, beautiful, wonderful, tasty, delicious. So, a lot of people trip out on that, I'll tell you.

25:50MarkI wonder if the infusion of the terpenes into the cardboard now renders the cardboard resistant to microbial degradation.

25:58BubblemanDr. Yeah, I don't know. Interesting question.

26:02MarkCool.

26:04SpeakerTo me, even after two years, the boxes did not smell particularly terpeny. Although they did have a smell, obviously, because maybe even buds had rubbed on to the side of them or whatever.

26:21BubblemanRight.

26:21SpeakerBecause when I put the buds in, they had only been dried for two weeks. I left them in there for a couple of years, depending on the particular harvest.

26:33BubblemanJust a couple of years, you know, sometimes you don't get around to shit. It's like a couple of years.

26:39SpeakerEvery individual box had to be labeled with its bruto weight, its whole weight. Right. And then it would knock stuff down. If it was a kilo or two when I put it in, when I was done, it would have lost maybe 50 grams or something like that more of water.

27:06BubblemanSomeone's saying if...

27:07SpeakerIt was almost... It was basically pretty dry. Not bone dry, but it was pretty fucking dry. The branches snapped.

27:19BubblemanWho is that? Is that Chimera that just came in?

27:26BubblemanIt's hard to tell. He's sharing his... I think it is Chimera. Well, welcome, Chimera. Not sure what you're doing over there, but... It's nice to have you in the room.

27:37MarkHe's sharing his screen.

27:39BubblemanHash is good. Hash is good. Share the hash. He's trying to find something good to share with us.

27:47MarkIt looks pretty good. Pictures of Morocco, right?

27:53SpeakerTo me, it looks like hash drying on a piece of cardboard.

28:00BubblemanTo me, it looks like hash sitting on a metal tin, like a really nice little sort of tin. Morocco, he's sharing Morocco pictures. Yeah, it's a little tray. Very nice.

28:11SpeakerVery nice, Chimera.

28:15BubblemanI have a whole different view on Moroccan hash. I just disliked Moroccan hash forever. Every time someone offered it to me, I was like, it's going to taste like Moroccan hash. I don't like Moroccan hash. It all tastes the same to me. And then the dude that used to always win at Legends. I don't know if he wants us to mention his name on Hash Church.

28:33SpeakerNo, don't.

28:34BubblemanI won't, exactly. But him. He put some hash in my hands from Morocco and it was like full melt dry sift like from any of us. It was completely unbelievable. I had to flip. My entire view on Moroccan hash.

28:52SpeakerI'm not going to lie. He has real problems. When he grows really, really high quality all-female seeds in Morocco, what happens is they have so many terpenes. After he dry sifts the hash and he presses it, it either turns whitey or it turns all liquidy. It's just way too high of a terpene content. So what he's having to do is things like dry them in the sun, way radically reduce the terpene content so it could be treated like normal dry sift and be pressed.

29:32BubblemanOh, so what?

29:33SpeakerHe wants to lower the terpene content because it greases out? He has to if he wants to ship it.

29:39BubblemanOh, if he wants to ship it. Well, fuck that. Holy shit. I guess that's rough. There's got to be, and would that not change if we had legal mechanisms in place and he could ship that in like cooled containers?

29:53SpeakerMaybe, but for example, I can remember when I used to make skunk dry sip really super, super clean. If I tried to press it, after a few days, it would start to turn whitey, you know? And even if I was in a really dry, dry, dry atmosphere, it just took a little bit longer. And high temperatures, high humidities, just flip it out. What it's doing is it's absorbing moisture from the atmosphere and it's making it turn whitey.

30:27MarkHygroscopic.

30:29BubblemanI just saw one of my friends in Chimera's photos pass by. That was nice to see. That's awesome. Little crop on the side of the mountain.

30:43Etienne FontanNice and dense, I see.

30:46SpeakerWell, it's an ecological disaster up in the Rift, because there's no water and there's no good soil. So they're making it happen anyway.

31:01BubblemanWhat do you do? Bring in the soil? Bring in the water?

31:04SpeakerWell, the water you've got to collect when there is water. Any chance you get, any way you can. The soil, what you use is a drip system with NPK.

31:19BubblemanInteresting.

31:23SpeakerIs he on mute or something? Anyway, I muted myself. I was just, I needed something to smoke, had no rollies, no nothing, and I got handed this nice little pipe. So, I was just showing it off.

31:35BubblemanAnd is that, is that from the girl?

31:38SpeakerYes, it's from Lethal Glass.

31:40BubblemanDon't you want to give her like a shout out and be like... Of course I do.

31:44SpeakerThis is a, you know, a beautiful little Sherlock, and it's got a cute little... Frog on there. Just really cool. Amazing. And strong glass. Like, just, yeah. Nice little pipe. Thank you.

31:58BubblemanExcellent. Excellent.

32:00SpeakerNo bias.

32:01BubblemanNo bias.

32:03SpeakerNo, no. It's just a good pipe. Next time you come to Amsterdam, bring it, John. I guarantee I can break any glass pipe. Yeah, you know what? You know, it's...

32:16BubblemanOh man, I'll tell you.

32:17SpeakerI was impressed on how they're packed and stuff like that and how she ships them around and I was watching how they were being treated and she does do some good work.

32:26BubblemanThe worst ever was on Fish Tour watching dudes say their pipes didn't break and they'd like throw them down on the ground time after time. That one time when the pipe broke was just always like, oh dude. Yeah, probably not the best way to try and sell. I mean, for me, how I would sell a glass pipe isn't showing someone that it doesn't break when you drop it, but I would pack a big bowl and smoke it and go, yeah, that's a nice bowl.

32:53BubblemanI'm going to mute you there, Johnny, just so we don't have to hear the background.

32:55SpeakerI go one step further. I won't buy a glass pipe unless I'm presuming I'm going to break it within a year.

33:05BubblemanOh, geez. Oh, what do you got there, Etienne, the Terp Cap? That looks like a derby, like a, what's it called? A bowler? A bowler, yeah, like the Sheldon Black Hat. I bet they'd be all over buying those.

33:20Etienne FontanSo I had a friend of mine make one. The original one I was given was a banger. And so this one's made to fit over our denail.

33:30BubblemanOh, shit, nice.

33:31Etienne FontanAnd so you can inhale and get your turps that are suspended in the top here.

33:38BubblemanAnd how is that? Do you like that?

33:40Etienne FontanI do for the aspect that it's light. It's not overwhelming, which, as you know, these terpenes are highly concentrated. So, I mean, just if you get any on your finger, whoo. But for the most part, it's been great because it uses just that internal heat on the internal of the ring as it sits on it to evaporate them. And I have noticed that inhaling through, it does turn my turps a little golden, as opposed to the clear that they started off to be.

34:11BubblemanProbably from the heat, probably from the heat of the bowl heating that glass up.

34:16Etienne FontanYep, but it's, again, this is just prototype playing with technology since we've got turps, so we wanted to see what we could do.

34:24BubblemanWhat about a two-part piece where you put it on, but then the turp part is the secondary piece that you put on, so it doesn't actually heat up?

34:33SpeakerWell, it's not only from the heat, it's also from the vaporized cannabinoids being vaporized through the turps.

34:43BubblemanThose cannabinoids, are they vaporized through the turps?

34:47Etienne FontanWell, it's collecting them and catching them because, like I said, it started off clear, and now, as you can see, I've only used it.

34:52BubblemanOh, temperature will turn those yellow, so will oxidization.

34:56Etienne FontanOkay. Well, then, that could all be the case.

35:00BubblemanYeah, I mean, I don't think the cannabinoids are going through the terpenes. They're going right into the hole, and the terpenes are above the cannabinoids. So I would say that if he designed that to split into two,

35:12SpeakerThe cannabis vaporization is not going through the terpenes just a little bit. No, that's right. Okay, I didn't understand.

35:20BubblemanThat's why if he made it a two-piece and the terpenes were simply added at the end and then taken off, I don't think the top part would heat up. But when you put things on here, like for instance, I use just a glass jar, it does not take long before this thing gets hot. And I've got it only at, what temperature are you vaping at, Etienne?

35:42Etienne FontanI'm doing about 625.

35:45BubblemanOh, okay. So we're close.

35:47Etienne FontanI'm keeping it low. And of course, I'm not keeping it on there long so it's sitting there boiling or anything like that. You can just get the nice flavor of, you know, the flavonoids coming across the palate. It's really nice. Although it just makes everything taste like that dominant terpene though.

36:05BubblemanYou made me want to dip. I'm not going to lie.

36:08Etienne FontanAnd what are we going to dip?

36:09BubblemanWell, I just dip whatever I pull out first. And what I pulled out first was grape ghost. I'm going to take a little bit of cookies, hash rosin, dip it in the grape ghost, which is almost done. Oh, here we go. Let's bring us into this new part of the conversation. What do you guys think? Of Oregon banning the names of cannabis cultivars that are being directed or at least they think are being directed at children.

36:41BubblemanAnd so this is the Skywalker OG.

36:43SpeakerIs it just that it's directed at children or is it that it's an implied copyrighted name like Girl Scouts?

36:52Etienne FontanNo, it's kids. It's kids. It's advertising to kids, and it's actually listed as such. It's something that we expected back in the day. We had somebody back in the day, no kidding, brought in this stuff called Pussycat. And it sounds harmless enough, but next thing you know, the lady bud tenders get people coming up, hey, how's your pussy smell today? How's your pussy look today? What's the pussy like?

37:14Etienne FontanAnd next thing you know, you're like, oh, shit, we're in an HR moment. On top of that, you realize the silliness of some of these names, you know, like God's Pussy and some of these other ones that have come along, that it was inevitable to, you know, change names. Look, I won the actual Cannabis Cup with Girl Scout Cookies, okay?

37:35SpeakerSo to actually have that name banned... Have you ever crossed that with God's Pussy?

37:43SpeakerI'm not going to say live what it would be, but we all know.

37:48Etienne FontanWe know. We know.

37:51BubblemanEtchan's just like... Hey, welcome, Chimera. Thanks for sharing those pictures. I put them up as often as I could.

38:00Etienne FontanBut it's inevitable that, you know, these name changes are going to happen. We've always been discussing this. Back when we were on the Medical Cannabis Safety Council, when we started with testing back in 2007, one of the things, the other departments we had was nomenclature because we're talking about All these different types of phenotypes that are named randomly. And these names are out there, like green crack and others.

38:25Etienne FontanThey're out there in the ether. And so I can't put green crack on it, so it becomes green queen. You see what I'm saying? So it's something that dispensaries have been doing for a while, depending on if you have, you know, Various genetics that come through the door all the time, but I'm surprised, honestly, that it's taken this long for them to enact something like that regarding names, because we saw when back in the early 2000s, gentleman Mickey Martin with Tainted and Tainted Edibles were all a bunch of mocks of You know, Mr. Goodbar, it was Mr., you know, all different things.

39:11Etienne FontanJust taking those logos and just slightly modifying. So back then we thought that inevitably they were going to come after us in the sense of names, or at least there it was copyright. But now with advertising being a no-no to kids, I'm surprised Colorado hasn't done this before Oregon, honestly.

39:33BubblemanI thought it was a little bit weak sauce, but at the same time, you know, something Chimera said months or weeks ago on the hash church, which really resonated with me was that, you know, the names are all great and all, but really let's get to the point where they are called the constituents that make them up. Let us see the full list of what these, what cannabinoids and what terpenes actually are, because that will be a new way to recognize cultivars more so than grape goo or...

40:00Etienne FontanWe're still left with the question, how do we therefore name these things? You know, do we go to Latin names? Do we still stay with these silly names that are owned in the ether? But yeah, but wine has, they're named after certain grapes or blends.

40:13SpeakerNo, they're not. They're named whatever they want. They're named pig snout. They can be named anything.

40:22Etienne FontanI'm talking the real connoisseurs.

40:24SpeakerThat is the real connoisseur stuff.

40:27BubblemanThat's the real connoisseur stuff.

40:32SpeakerIt's $25 a bottle.

40:33BubblemanHey, welcome D420K, Chimera, and Subcool to the room. Thanks for showing up, guys.

40:40SubMorning, guys. Morning, bong rep, mother lovers.

40:46BubblemanYes, indeed. Yeah, I don't know what to say about it, Sam. I mean, obviously we have to have names, but I really do. Oh, and welcome Todd McCormick as well. I thought I saw him.

40:57Etienne FontanSam, you coined Skunk, and it was basically just off of scent. Is that why you decided to call it Skunk? Because we're discussing names.

41:05SpeakerAbsolutely. I mean, I didn't coin the name Skunk because there were varieties called Indica. Hey, I want to welcome Dr. Bob into the room. He just showed up. How you doing, guys?

41:34BubblemanHey, thanks for showing up, man. That's awesome. I wanted to maybe read a little bit of your biography to let everyone know who Dr. Bob is. Dr. Robert Melamed has a PhD in molecular biology and biochemistry from the City University of New York. Dr. Melamed retired as chairman of the biology department at University of Colorado Springs in 2005, where he continues to teach and research cannabinoids, cancer, and DNA repair.

42:00BubblemanAnd he's recognized as a leading authority on the therapeutic uses of cannabis and has authored and co-authored dozens of papers on a wide variety of scientific subjects. So big welcome to Dr. Robert Melamed into the room. Stoked to have you.

42:16SpeakerSee, that leaves out all the important things. The important thing is that I'm an old stoner. I'm an old hippie. And I start off my day with 100 milligrams of high-quality oil, as I've done You know, I've been getting high for 50-something years now. I'm going to be 69 in another couple of months, two more months. Wow. And do you take oil to get high or for medical reasons?

42:44SpeakerWell, for both because I think getting high is what we should be. You know, the higher we get, the clearer our minds are and the more we can apply medicine. The knowledge of what we really are and where we're going to get to some kind of functional ends where we can all benefit. Beautiful. Does everybody else, does his mic seem a bit low?

43:10BubblemanNo, I can hear him good, but I have headphones on.

43:12Etienne FontanIt sounds a little low. Dr. Malamud, what made you decide to go into cannabis?

43:18SpeakerWell, I started college when I was 16 years old. And that's the same year I started smoking cannabis. And what I found was it just always seemed a wonderful thing to me. And then I used psychedelics. I'm an old hippie. And I found all of those things tickled my fancy and set me in the direction that I wanted to go in. But my whole life I've been curious about what is life.

43:46MarkDid you listen to The Grateful Dead?

43:49SpeakerOh, yeah, of course. Okay. It's my own acid.

43:57SpeakerBut I was always curious what life is. And I now feel that I have a very functional and thorough understanding of what life is and what evolution is and the role that the endocannabinoid system plays in our existence. So that's what I do. I try to share that knowledge because I can apply it to health.

44:20BubblemanWell, I watched a couple of your videos just in the last few days, the one on diabetes, which I sent to my friend who's in the room right now, D420K, in the orange shirt like myself. Very, very, really great little 10-minute video on breaking it down. You just have a great knowledge and a vast knowledge that you're able to go in really deep and sort of explain these things on a different level, and that's one of the things that I really appreciated about you.

44:47SpeakerWell, that's how I need to understand it. If I can't understand it, you know, when I'm sitting here stoned out of my mind and have a clear, simple understanding of what's going on, then it doesn't work for me either, you know? So that's what I do all my whole life. I just try to get high and understand what that is and to be healthy and to be alive and see how that integrates and what we can do with it.

45:13SpeakerAnd You know, I've gone through a bunch of different health issues and I apply my knowledge to that and I can see that it's correct and I help other people do the same.

45:24BubblemanI also liked your perspective. You've got a video called The Age of BLPs. Yeah, the blips and the flips. The blips and the flips, right. So that was also a really cool video and it reminded me a little bit of Dr. David Allen's magdillion hijacking that he talked about that occurs in the brain the way you were sort of talking about how, and I could never break it down as well as you could if you wanted to give a little five-minuter on what that little video was about in regards to some people requiring these compounds.

45:55SpeakerWell, the starting point that everybody has to understand is Is that our endocannabinoid system literally regulates every single thing in your body from conception until death. So, you know, the most fundamental aspects of being alive, eating food, for example, that's why you get the munchies. The fact that psychoactive cannabinoids are in mother's milk tells you that this shit is important because mother's milk came with mammals. And what do mammals characteristics?

46:30SpeakerWell, they take good care of their children. And nature has seen fit to put psychoactive cannabinoids in the essence of the evolutionary selective process, mother's milk.

46:44Ryan Dank AfThose aren't psychoactive cannabinoids. That's anandamide.

46:46SpeakerWell, that happens to be psychoactive. It does bind to the CB1 receptor, and it does all of the things that cannabinoids do. Do you know anybody who's ever gotten high from anandamide? Yeah. I mean, by taking it, not just their own? Well, all of us do to a degree, and that's kind of where I'm going with this. You see, what the cannabinoid receptor does in our brain, in particular, is it allows us to have a brain, because it regulates The calcium channels that are involved in activating things, be it muscles, nerve transmission, hormone release, everything that requires action requires calcium.

47:31SpeakerAnd if you make too much activity, you make too many free radicals. And that fucks up the brain in particular because the brain is in a very sensitive state. Feel your head. It's always hot, right? Well, the endocannabinoid receptors first appeared with the appearance of vertebrates. And if you look at the brain as you go up the evolutionary scale, you see there's always more and more cannabinoid activity.

47:59SpeakerIt's like the major neurotransmitter system in our brain. We don't teach it in medical school. We don't teach it in schools in general. I mean, it's totally retarded. We've left out like the very heartbeat of our existence And all of those transformations...

48:43SpeakerHave different associations and effects. So back protozoa have endocannabinoids, anandamide, if I'm not mistaken. I have to check that to make sure. I'm pretty sure it was anandamide, not 2-AG. But the point here is that they didn't formalize the ability of that flowing biochemistry. So the whole, what I talk about is what's called the physics of life. How did life come about? And it turns out that flowing energy organizes matter.

49:19SpeakerAnd that's what led to life. And as organized matter interacts with its environment and changes the environment, the environment changes it. And there are these constant selective pressures going back and forth. And the cannabinoid system became the solution for how can we make more complicated brains without making too much heat. And they do that by Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

50:10SpeakerThe people with less are the primitive people. And unfortunately, those are the people who run the world with aggression and hostility and the lack of cooperativity, which is the very essence of how molecules create organization. They cooperate with one another. It's that basic to our existence, and yet people can't do it because we've got stuck in this sidetrack of stupidity that is the manifestation of the The blips, the backward-looking people who are cannabinoid deficient, and they naturally are the ones who try to control the more advanced mindsets of peace and freedom and love because they extract their wealth as the illusion for how they can feel safe.

50:55SpeakerSee, because they don't make enough pot to be optimistic, so they're stressed by everything, so they don't want any change. And these are the people who run the world.

51:04Ryan Dank AfThat's a gross generalization that I don't think there's really any scientific basis to support that.

51:09SpeakerWell, I can dispute you on that very readily.

51:13Ryan Dank AfSo you're saying that anybody that's cannabinoid deficient are essentially the followers and anybody that's cannabinoid overstimulating are the world leaders?

51:21SpeakerNo, I said the opposite of that. You totally misunderstood. I said exactly the opposite. The leaders of the world today are the people who were advanced more in the past But they're no longer appropriate for today. They may have had the ability to organize and control things and build great cities and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But they did it through control rather than through harmony.

51:47Ryan Dank AfSo where's the evidence of any type that those people have altered cannabinoid biosynthesis pathways?

51:58SpeakerWell, there's a number of studies that basically show that if you look at

52:05SpeakerPardon me? For example, knockout mice. Let's look at knockout mice. Knockout mice are mice where you eliminate a gene. So you can make mice that have no CB1 receptor, so they can't get high at all. So they essentially would represent what our government is trying to impose on us, no high at all. But what happens to be true is that our CB1 receptor is always turned on.

52:31SpeakerIt doesn't need anandamide or anything else. To turn it on, it's always turned on to a certain level. And it's also true that there are what we call polymorphisms, variability in the genes. So intrinsically, some people will be more active and others will be not active. Those are intrinsic truths. And then we also know that with these knockout mice, they die prematurely, dramatically so, and that they're so stressed that they just sit and shiver.

53:00SpeakerThey don't want to move because they don't want to experience any change. Okay, do you have some papers that you could list?

53:30SpeakerI have to go look them up to give you the name, but if you look up, for example, the knockout, look up CB1 knockouts.

53:35Ryan Dank AfI'm a member of the ICRS. I've been studying the endocannabinoid system for a good 15 years, so I know all about the knockout mice and all that kind of stuff.

53:45SpeakerSo are you familiar with the work of Ilya Prigogine and Far From Equilibrium Thermodynamics, which is what provides the foundation for life?

53:55Ryan Dank AfAs it relates to cannabinoid pathways?

53:57SpeakerAs it relates to everything.

54:02SpeakerCan I interject for a second, guys? You know, not to have a hostile conversation. You know, Bob, welcome to the show. Chimera, nice to have you on always. You know, I don't think there's enough knowledge, and there hasn't been the allotted scientific research done on actual humans. You know, knock out mice and ice, but we're not nice. And the reality is, is that Our governments have inhibited our ability to actually find out if there is a nexus between a lack of cannabinoids and or our ability to make natural cannabinoids and our behaviors on that level.

54:37SpeakerAnd I kind of get what Ryan's saying that, you know, trying to say all world leaders are just cannabinoid defection, you know, it's a little bit of a stretch. Well, I'm not saying all world leaders are. I'm saying all people in general are. The fact that we're dying from inflammatory diseases shows us that we need more cannabinoids right now. It's not a drug at this point in our existence.

54:59SpeakerIt's a necessary nutrient. Right. And you know, okay, so that was a great, that's, well, do you think that would be my next question? Do you think one day we will look at cannabinoids like we look at vitamins and minerals? I think we'll look at it more like, you know, food. Because we need those fats. It's You know, we need to get those fatty acids. EFAs were a second coming of kind of realization in our nutrient.

55:28SpeakerWe didn't really catch on to essential fatty acids into the 80s and 90s and publicly, you know, socially, we're still kind of stupid about it as a whole. But vitamins and minerals came along mid-20th century, EFAs late 20th centuries, and now do you think cannabinoids could come and be the 21st century's, you know, EFAs and vitamins for a human because of the endocannabinoid system? Well, I would say it's more fundamental than that.

55:55SpeakerAnd the reason being, and this is a distinction that I've tried to present to the ICTRS over the years when I used to bother to go to those talks. How many years were you a member? Probably from when they first started. Well, I've been a member for 25 years. I don't remember you 25 years ago, Bob. Well, I was at UVM here. With Rick Musty. So I was a member as far as, I can't remember exactly when I joined, but I remember when they began and Ethan Russo had the, you know, had the.

56:33SpeakerBy the time Ethan Russo was a decade later. Pardon me? Well, maybe I'm not from the beginning. I don't know. I'm just curious. It makes no difference. I was really just curious because I remember seeing you a few times later on. I've given talks at the ICRS and various other things, but my ideas are based on physics, and the physics is not generally accepted because people don't know it.

57:07SpeakerAnd so what I do at this point is I read constantly because I'm retired. On my computer here, I've got 26,000 articles in my database. And what I've done is I've integrated that physics with biology. So out of these 26,000 articles, 13,000 are cannabis specific, and the other 13,000 support the ideas that I talk about. So I'm a very conservative scientist. And I can back up everything I say without any doubt.

57:42BubblemanWell, I personally just, what you were saying kind of resonated with me the same way it resonated with me when David Allen said it in a particularly different way. He called it the magdeliac hijacking in the brain and the switch of flight or flight being like stuck in position and just people that felt like they had the urge to control. I've always felt that people who wanted to be in power definitely had something different going on in their Thank you for joining us.

58:35BubblemanExactly, exactly.

58:36SpeakerAnd that is a different philosophy. And that different philosophy comes naturally as a function of your stress levels. You know, if you're too stressed, what you're always trying to do is to protect yourself from more stress. And stress ultimately is a free radical generator. And what people don't get, and it's certainly not generally accepted, but I can prove it all scientifically. And it's very important for people to understand this.

59:04SpeakerIs that everything in our lives in all living systems is regulated homeostatically by free radicals. You know, years ago, we only saw the negative side and over the past decade or more, we've come to appreciate their role in signal transduction. But I'm saying it's beyond that because what you have to understand is when flowing energy organizes matter, and you can see this in terms of what's known as inorganic oscillating Reactions.

59:35SpeakerAll right. I should be on my computer. I could show you some of this shit. Let me, if you're interested. Anyway, the point here is that there's always a balance of opposing forces and flowing energy generates free radicals when you make it efficiently via the electron transport system, which is the only way our brain generally uses. We like sugar because we can make, we make quick energy via the electron transport system.

1:00:01SpeakerIt's efficient. That's why our head doesn't overheat. But you have to counter that. Otherwise, you make too many free radicals and the cells undergo apoptosis and die. So there are different ways that we counteract free radical production, not simply via antioxidants, but by actually changing the metabolic pathways that generate the energy, which is the flow that gives us the organization that counts for life, OK? What cells do is on the one hand, they make antioxidants, glutathione, et cetera, to sop up free radicals as they're being made.

1:00:40SpeakerBut on the other hand, when certain limits are reached, the body senses all of these different damages because free radicals react with DNA, RNA, protein, lipids. And there are other cell, other components of the cellular complexity that recognize those damaged components. And then alter the flow of the biochemistry so that you don't make too many. And one of the most significant things that occurs is the cells turn on fat burning and they shut down the electron transport system.

1:01:12SpeakerAnd going on with fat burning is a process called autophagy, self eating. And what it is, it's so simple and it's so cool. It's really a recycling system. So what the cells are doing is they recognize their damaged components. And then they recycle them. So one of the consequences of recycling is that you don't have to go back to the beginning to make things. You know, you don't have to mine the box site to get to the aluminum.

1:01:41SpeakerYou just remelt the aluminum. It's more energy efficient. So by shifting into fat burning, on the one hand, we're burning up our garbage. And in doing that, we repurify the organization of the cell. In other words, the cell becomes more negentropic. And always, for cells to even exist, what the cell has to do, it has to, in order to maintain its negative entropy state, its organization, it has to spit out More disorder to the universe.

1:02:11SpeakerIn other words, the entropy of the universe has to increase and a system can maintain its organization as long as it makes the universe stupider quicker. I need to hang out with you. That's one of the guiding realities. So the key here is this, is that fat burning turns on the recycling system and fat burning is turned on by the CB2 receptor. It's that simple. What goes on is a constant balance in cells.

1:02:44SpeakerIf you look, you know, people talk about the CB2 receptor as the peripheral receptor or the immune receptor. But in reality, what has been demonstrated is that any tissue that's damaged will typically turn on the CB2 receptor. Why is that? Because damage is caused by and causes excess free radical production. And the cells are trying to protect themselves by turning on fat. Fat oxidation and a lower level of free radical production while they clean up their shit by burning their garbage.

1:03:17SpeakerAnd this is the reason why we can completely control, you know, when you talk about the ICRS, you know, stuff. I've tried to explain this to people over the years. We can completely control HIV. Completely. By using ridiculous doses of cannabis, all right? And I'm doing this with people, all right? And when my friend doesn't, this guy has had 20, he's had HIV for 26 years. He's an exceptional human being.

1:03:44SpeakerHe's got an IQ of 186. And he was off all, he had to get off all of the existing HIV regiments because he was resistant to all of them. That was six years ago. And we were lobbying in Washington, D.C. for a biotech bill. And he came down with a Kaposi's sarcoma. That's a Herpes, viral infection that people get when they have no immune system. All right?

1:04:09SpeakerSo that's the thing that killed everybody back in the day before the antiretrovirals. You'd see the purple blotches on people. It looked like a skin cancer. It's really a vascular tumor.

1:04:21Etienne FontanAre you saying that herpes killed people?

1:04:24SpeakerYeah. Herpes sarcoma. The herpes that causes Kaposi's sarcoma. There's different herpes viruses, you know, many different ones, but there's a specific one, herpes sarcoma, it's caused by a particular herpes virus. But in any event, when he came down with that, I always have oil with me because I have a genetic issue. I'm HLA-B27 that predisposes me to arthritis and psoriasis and shit like that, which I have all of those.

1:04:55SpeakerBut anyway, he came down with the Kaposi, and I said, put this oil on it. And he did. And this guy, among many, many other things, is a pastor at Saddleback Church, the church that inaugurated Obama. And he's also a Hell's Angel as well. There's a lot of stories here. But anyway.

1:05:15MarkWas this neat oil or was it formulated?

1:05:19SpeakerNo, it was just basically the raw oil. No, not refined. So it was dark, sticky. I call it the tar, you know.

1:05:25MarkOkay.

1:05:27SpeakerAnd we put that on and I go back to Colorado. I was still living in Colorado. I'm not Colorado anymore. I'm in Vermont. And he went back to New York. I get a phone call. He goes, Bob, what the fuck is going on here? I'm holding a carposi in my hand. They're not supposed to fall off. I said, well, I was telling you, you know, because I understand how this stuff works because I understand the physics of life, all right?

1:05:51SpeakerI said, what you need to do is you need to start eating this in high quantities and turn on fat burning because... Most of these viruses like HIV and herpes they have evolved in the differentiated state meaning the sugar burning state where you make energy efficiently and their their whole metabolic pathways are all geared towards that sugar burning mode and when you turn on fat burning then you disrupt that and in fact We completely control his HIV.

1:06:24SpeakerHe's been on only the oil now, no antiretrovirals for six years, along with nutraceuticals that supplement the fat burning. And he now has a zero HIV viral load, completely undetectable, even with a spinal puncture. The guy also happens to have a PhD in molecular epidemiology. And his Kaposi is completely controlled except when he doesn't take oil. He's been eating at least a gram a day of oil for the past six years.

1:06:54SpeakerWhen he just got back from the HIV conference in South Africa and he didn't take any oil for two weeks and he had 16 Kaposis come up and we had to make sure and get him oil because he was out of oil. And, you know, what happens is the Kaposi, you get it internally eventually. And that's what kills you when it hits your organs. What this crazy fuck does, and he's done this once before, he ate in one day 60 grams of high quality oil, okay?

1:07:26SpeakerAnd he goes basically into a cannabis coma for a few days, and he comes back and all his, and his carposes have all fallen off because it's very painful when they fall off.

1:07:38SpeakerSo now he's back to normal, he's got his oil supply again, and he's happy. And the one thing that bugged me for the first two or so years is I kept telling him, I said, David, how come you still have the dyslipidemia? People who are on the antiretrovirals, they get a humpback and they get organ fat. I said, that should all be going away. Well, now he doesn't have it anymore.

1:08:01SpeakerIt's all completely gone. So we can do things with metabolic manipulation because everything that we are comes from metabolism. What metabolism does is it turns on your various epigenetic that correspond with biolic state that a cell is existing in. And in doing that, the genes that are exposed, the genes that are being transcribed are more predisposed to mutations. Because whether it be at the replicating fork or transcriptional fork, when you have single-stranded regions and you're also generating free radicals, You are going to have those regions susceptible.

1:08:46SpeakerAnd when you wind up having strand breaks, which are even caused by a stalled transcription fork, you promote recombinational events, which then lead, especially in controlling regions, to the gene amplifications and other changes that lead to evolution. There's a very simple story that ties everything together. And we have all the practical demonstrations because we make it work in different forms. But I don't work within the system anymore.

1:09:13SpeakerFuck them because they're all closed-minded.

1:09:16BubblemanSomeone asked a question in the private chat here. It was MC Mike West. He said, ask Dr. Bob about the endocannabinoid equilibrium and hypomesis, hypermesis. I guess what you thought about that.

1:09:32SpeakerI think that it's a real phenomenon, and I don't fully understand it, but I definitely believe it's real. I know myself. I've always been predisposed to gagging. I've got a very simple, easy gag reflex, even with the dentist, you know, over years and years. So I don't, for me, I know that if I eat certain wheat products in the morning, it tends to make me nauseous. But as you know, your immune system and your nervous system, they're all tied together.

1:10:02SpeakerI don't understand exactly why it's doing that, but I definitely, I believe certain people have a predisposition for that.

1:10:11BubblemanYes.

1:10:15BubblemanExcellent. Well, that answers that for Mike.

1:10:18SpeakerI also wanted to chime in. I think something that's really interesting that Dr. Bob's talking about, and I'm not sure how much studies are out there, but there's just a fact about stress, you know? And if we look at just cannabis and what it does for us in a really simple manner for many of us when we talk about wellness and cannabis, is controlling stress, you know?

1:10:41SpeakerAnd if you look at... What that does when you're talking about free radicals and the different things that it can affect the human body and the systems, stress can make us go all kinds of directions. And simply put, even daily users, people that aren't using it for HIV or cannabis, it's attunement of our body. And at least for me, I know when I have access to cannabis, Product and cannabis, my stress level is completely controlled and I'm sure it does wonders for what you were talking about, you know, in the whole system.

1:11:21SpeakerSo that's the deal is it's everything is holistic and our mind leads the way.

1:11:30SpeakerHas there been any, has there been any studies though related to cannabis and stress and then linked to what you said? Okay. That's universally accepted, I think, that it has the ability to relieve different kinds of stress. And if you just look, you see the whole medical industry is all backwards. Their whole understanding is guided not by understanding that we are flow-dependent structures, but rather they look at everything from a static point of view.

1:12:01SpeakerIf you've ever looked at a metabolic map, you've got that intense swirl of all the biochemical pathways. But that's how they look at things statically like that. In fact, all of those pathways that you're looking at are flowing. And that flow that's occurring is very dynamic and self-adjusting and homeostatic. It's like, you know, if you take a psychedelic, you know, take some LSD and you watch the fluidity, you know, when you watch the colored flowing harmony, that's what's happening in our biochemistry.

1:12:33SpeakerAnd it's only the, it's, it's, it's how do we, Eric Flint, He, Him, Enhance that in a positive direction, but in terms of like psychological disorders, the antidepressants and shit like that, they work on the metabolic level. Eric Flint, He, Him, And in many cases, they're doing exactly the same thing that cannabis does, but because cannabis is part of our flow because of the endocannabinoid system, et cetera, in a more harmonious way.

1:13:02SpeakerIt doesn't have the negative side effects. You can give a depressed person five milligrams of a THC candy, and the depression's gone for many people. I mean, it's so simple.

1:13:17BubblemanYeah, it's hard to... It's hard to not believe, you know, I don't personally need anyone to make a study that says cannabis can relieve stress. Because I personally, I've experienced it through my own bioassay, like at least... Like 150,000 times.

1:13:35Speaker100,000 times, yeah. I was just curious if anyone did a study linked from the use of cannabis by controlling stress, what it actually did with free radicals and everything else. What you can look at is cortisol and all of those pathways. I'd have to look and refresh my brain of the specifics, but in general, the cortisol pathways, what are some of the things, just think about what you know, okay?

1:14:00SpeakerPeople who are taking a lot of corticosteroids, they have bone deterioration or they're getting fat. What does that tell you? Why do people get fat? It's very, very simple. They get fat. Because they're taking in too many carbohydrates. They're not taking in enough fats and not enough of the good fats, which is why ketogenic diets are good for you and why the Atkins side, which is nothing but fat, is good for your heart.

1:14:33SpeakerIt's because when you turn on fat burning, you don't make fat, you see? The fat that's clogging people's arteries, that's coming because they're eating sugar, not because they're eating fat. The body makes the sugar so that it doesn't have to burn the sugar because when it burns the sugar via the electron transport system, it makes too many damaging free radicals. So what your body does is it takes some of that flow and redirects it into synthesizing fat because it's protecting you from too many free radicals.

1:15:12SpeakerAnd what happens with diabetes is especially like insulin, Robert Stoner, MD, Resistant diabetes. Robert Stoner, MD, The cells have sustained sufficient damage that their homeostatic mechanisms are saying, I don't want any more free radical damage. I'm not going to Robert Stoner, MD, take up any more sugar because you're killing me. But meanwhile, the pancreas is saying, oh, there's too high a level of osmotic activity caused by the sugar in your blood.

1:15:41SpeakerWe got to get rid of the sugar. So we'll piss some out. And then we'll turn on insulin and tell the cells to burn it. But if the cells are already damaging themselves too much, they say, I don't want anymore. So they shut down the transport mechanisms. You know, it's all this big hallucination of survival. And so that's how you get insulin resistant diabetes. I've got two friends who were insulin dependent diabetics who now don't take insulin.

1:16:10SpeakerTheir sugar levels are normal and they're losing weight because they've turned on fat burning. With sufficient cannabis oil by eating it.

1:16:19BubblemanWell, it's interesting you were talking about hyperdoses because one of the conversations I had with Indra who just came in, his avatar is the photo of, what is that, George Harrison or something?

1:16:31SpeakerYeah, that's at 22. Nice.

1:16:34BubblemanSo yeah, he was just telling me the other day how he's also been doing hyperdosing, although you were hyperdosing with your friend with non-activated oil, correct?

1:16:44SpeakerOh, no, no, no, no, no. These are all activated oils.

1:16:49BubblemanNo, I knew you were, that your friend had, Dr. Bob, but Indra was saying that his friend had been doing unactivated. I'm sorry. And having also some pretty good results.

1:17:02SpeakerWell, the way I started using the unactivated was I got a number of people that came to me who said that they had babies. I started giving them the unactive which is all mine that I make comes out unactive to start with and then it has to be activated by heat.

1:17:37SpeakerAnd so I started giving them larger doses. And one of the elderly people who had colorectal cancer started doing up to an eighth of a cup a day. And in 42 days,

1:17:58SpeakerAll of that went away and stopped. They started feeling better, went to the doc. The doc said, I don't know what's happening, but it looks like you're remissing. And this happened, I don't know, I mean, over 15 years that I handed it out like that, you know, secretly to people. I got a lot of those stories of people who I had Crohn's disease. It chased me quite a bit.

1:18:29SpeakerIn the beginning, I started giving people that had Crohn's the hash and then I transitioned them to the oil. All the Crohn's disease people who I still keep supplied, many, many, many, many people all say the same thing that it's making their lives livable. So that's how I got to that conclusion. I didn't do it scientifically and it's all anecdotal evidence. So don't... No, but that's more important, you see, because this is what bugs my ass.

1:19:02SpeakerThe FDA, which is entirely populated by, you know, industry people, They're going to take a drug, and they're going to take a certain amount of it, and they're going to test it in a subset of people under a certain defined set of conditions, and then they're going to determine whether or not there's a statistically significant effect. And if there's a statistically significant effect, then it's a good medicine.

1:19:28SpeakerWell, let's look at some examples. They're looking at giving somebody something for MS so that they'll urinate less frequently. The drug that was approved gave them one-tenth less a piss per night. So every 10 days, they had one piss less. That's statistically significant. This is horseshit, man. This is just stupid shit, you know? And then they test things on, they don't test them on children. The vaccines that they give to the military aren't even tested on anybody except for the military.

1:20:05SpeakerIt The world is in an entirely insane situation driven by narrow-minded people who want to control and regulate everything. Cannabis is totally non-toxic. My friend took 50 grams of oil. You know, he's like eating 50 grams of THC and the doctors are worried if you take 20 milligrams of THC. Whole different world. But you know what? I'm seeing cancer cured much more frequently than the doctors can do it.

1:20:34SpeakerAnd people are doing it I had one guy, he was scheduled for surgery for his colon cancer and he started on the oil and then they went and did the surgery and they took out a foot of his colon and they said, oops, no cancer.

1:20:53SpeakerSorry, go ahead. We've had people shit out colon cancers and stomach cancers. People cough up lung cancers. Listen, you know, they told me that I had... Thank you for watching.

1:21:30SpeakerDrinking a cup, a quarter or eighth of a cup and sometimes up to a quarter of a cup a day. And the week before I was going to go, I passed, as you said in the vernacular, I shit out a tumor. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:22:04SpeakerActual skin doctors at the VA. So they brought somebody in and the guy came in and he looked at my back and he turned around and said to the nurse, are you sure this is the right patient? And she said, and he looked. What kind of cancer was it? Do you remember? It wasn't a cancer. It was a melanoma. The stuff that was on my nose and the skin on the back was the bad kind of melanoma.

1:22:25SpeakerIt was the bad kind that supposedly ramps up and kills you pretty fast. But it completely disappeared and they've looked at it three times now and they can't find it. And I have diabetes as well and I keep my diabetes in control by these massive doses and I'm a believer in more is better. Maybe even say what you will, call me names, point fingers, but it works for me.

1:22:52SpeakerIt works for a lot of us. And that's the thing. I don't know if you can see these pictures here. Can you see that?

1:23:01BubblemanNot really. The phone's moving quite a bit. But if you want to give... Those are cancers, eh?

1:23:08SpeakerThat was one woman who had a little skin cancer. If you see the first one, and then she put the oil on it, And it turned into that big balloon. What's going on there is different cancers respond differently when you alter their metabolism. So squamous cell cancers, for example, when you put oil on squamous cell, they respond totally different than basal cell. You put oil on basal cell, and they fall off, literally.

1:23:38SpeakerThey just fall off within anywhere from a few days to three weeks. When you put it on a squamous cell, It makes them grow. So that woman's nose, she had had, she's Australian and you know, you get these fair skinned limeys and the Australian sun and they all come down with skin cancer. And her whole family grew up on a farm, on a sugar cane farm. So her, both her brothers, her sisters, her mother, her father, they all have skin cancer and she had previous ones taken off.

1:24:07SpeakerAnd then she went and did the oil for a few different basal cells over time because she says, oh, you don't have to worry about skin cancer anymore. You know, you just put the oil on and they fall off. So she knew she was getting another one in her nose there and she put it on, but instead of falling off, it started to grow. And we had already had experience.

1:24:27SpeakerI'll show you another picture.

1:24:29BubblemanSo was she able to, did she able to deal with that? Like what happened with that?

1:24:35SpeakerI'm going to show, well, if you look at the end, the last, can you see the last picture there?

1:24:40BubblemanOh yeah.

1:24:42SpeakerYou see, it's completely gone. This was, that way, wait, the one I'm showing you here was a basal cell. Hold on. Over here. Can you see that one?

1:24:52Etienne FontanYep.

1:24:52SpeakerA little bit of red. So it grew, it turned into that bubble. And at that point I'm freaking out, you know, I'm saying shit, shit. I said, put some hydrogen peroxide on it because that'll give it a free radical overload because these cells are slow in being killed. What happens is they undergo necrosis instead of apoptosis and it turns into a rotting, smelly mess. So she puts the hydrogen peroxide on and within an hour, the whole thing collapsed.

1:25:22SpeakerYou know, so that's what you see. And then it just eventually heals up and goes away.

1:25:27MarkWow.

1:25:28SpeakerYou know, so there's... If you look at this one here, see that was the oil was put on it and then it started to grow. This was on her sister's arm. This one we knew was a squamous cell beforehand. And at that time I thought, oh gee, it must be just expelling it from the body. But no, what it's doing is it makes it grow. And all of that dark stuff are cells that are necrosing.

1:25:50SpeakerAnd eventually the whole top of the tumor fell off and then it healed up. And she's got her doctor's certificate that it's all gone.

1:26:01SpeakerWe do this stuff routinely and we don't give a damn about the FDA. You know, these are real world experiments. And I'll tell you something very, very interesting that's going on now. The government doesn't even know what they've done, but they've done something that's going to really be quite remarkable. The, the people who are more open-minded and who want to take cannabis, who I would say are the flips.

1:26:25SpeakerOkay. They are going to use more and more of the state health care systems that allow cannabis. They're going to be going to the dispensaries. It's already been demonstrated in Colorado that they have saved the government over $100 million by people choosing to spend money out of their own pocket to get the relief that they don't get for free or whatever they're paying via the health care system.

1:26:54SpeakerSo we're going to have people who are not going to want to embrace cannabis, who I would say are the blips, the backward-looking people. They will continue using the national pharmaceutical system that the government is fostering by keeping cannabis schedules, whereas the more open-minded, stoner-oriented people will be healthy, happy, and less expensive. So we've created a national experiment now That will demonstrate what we've already seen. You know, cannabis users already have lower levels of diabetes.

1:27:27SpeakerThey have smaller waistlines. Why is that? Because they burn more fat because of the CB2 receptor. It's all very, very simple.

1:27:37MarkAren't we smarter too?

1:27:38SpeakerThe action is being done right now and they don't know it. And it'll be clear what the results are.

1:27:45MarkAren't we smarter because we're less stressed so we can take in and retrieve more important information and because our minds are more well-tuned with our environment? Absolutely. We're actually a more efficient human being on planet Earth.

1:28:02SpeakerWell, that's why it's always been selected for. You have to understand what natural selection is. It doesn't select for the strongest and it doesn't select for the smartest. It selects for the most adaptable. And that's what the cannabinoid receptors gave us when vertebrates first appeared because you have... Nope. You have CB1 receptors everywhere. And that's because most of us, our movement forward in time comes from the differentiated state.

1:28:36SpeakerBut we have to fall back to the less differentiated state in order to, you know, recycle and clean up our act. It's the same thing in society. Everything's a fractal of everything else. I know I wrote my patent completely stoned when I wrote it. And it took me weeks, but I was stoned the entire time.

1:28:58MarkIf that's any indication, you should write patents stoned.

1:29:03SpeakerWhat was your patent on? You got us. I wrote the worldwide patent on oil and fat extraction method and means. I'm the guy, Dr. Bob, who... I'm not bragging. I'm just going to tell you who I am. I don't know. Tell me the name so I hear the name. My name? Yeah. My name's John Davis. John Davis. I wrote the worldwide patent on oil extraction and I'm also the guy back in 1998 named Indra who released it on the worldwide web.

1:29:43SpeakerCool.

1:29:46BubblemanYes, indeed. Many people have been making oil that way since. It was interesting because it was quite the timing. I started my company, Bubble Bags, which was like trying to promote water extraction with ice. And literally three months after starting that company... He released this method just like not to in any way to like be like I'm gonna put that guy out of business and not that he did put me out of business because he didn't but it was definitely like I remember myself starting to create more free radicals than maybe I should have been at the time when when he first released the method I was like what the fuck.

1:30:23SpeakerNow I'm telling me what the method is my brain is not linking the name with the method.

1:30:28BubblemanOh, it's a butane extraction. He basically taught everyone how to use butane and extract oil from it.

1:30:36SpeakerThe BHO method that many people talk about, some people know. I happen to like BHO oil, but I think I've come to like alcohol better now. Well, Dr. Bob, I'd like to change your mind on that because the patent that I wrote The latest incarnation of the patent I wrote uses extreme temperature control to very carefully select and pick exactly what you want from the extraction. And I've bested several of my colleagues who came to me with the alcohol story too, and they now are back doing it the way I suggested.

1:31:19SpeakerIt's a matter of having a machine that has Thank you for joining us today.

1:31:37BubblemanTo give you a little back story, Dr. Bob, on Indra, who I met maybe close to 20 years or 17 or 16 years ago online, because he contacted me and I remember him the first time telling me, he said, hey, I have this system that could put you out of business. I don't want to put you out of business, but I just wanted you to know that I have this system.

1:32:00BubblemanWe sort of befriended one another and we went back and forth and I maintained, we maintained a bit of a connection over the years. And at one point in around 2008, you know, keep in mind because I do the bubble bags for since 1999, I've been doing water extraction and I coined the phrase bubble hash and I spent promoting this water extraction thing. A lot of people come to me through email and say, Hey, I've got the next best, greatest thing.

1:32:24BubblemanYou're not going to believe this thing. It's going to blow your mind. It's going to, but with Indra, it was, Different. There was some like the hair on my arms would stand up when I read his emails and I was like, no, there's something about this guy. Like it's something about this guy. So what I decided one day was because he's in America and I'm in Canada and of course I can't go to America because I have cannabis felony charges.

1:32:47BubblemanI'm very dangerous with the cannabis plant. I couldn't go there to sort of see. And so what we found out to do was I said, I said, well, can you defat hemp seed? You know, like if your process can extract oils, you can probably do a pretty cool defatting on hemp seed. And he was like, oh, I can do that. No problem. So what I did was I purchased some hemp seed from my friend's company that were at the supermarket in Kansas where his facility was.

1:33:14BubblemanAnd I sent him, when he was still living there, I sent him a couple of bags of D Halt Manitoba Harvest hemp seed. Now, he extracted it and he sent it to me in Vancouver where I was living and he told me, go show it to some labs. And he was very confident. He said, I bet you they tell you they've never seen numbers this high. And I was like, once again, I was like, okay, like you have to understand when someone says something that sounds like bragging, if it's true, it's not bragging, it's stating a fact.

1:33:44BubblemanBut when you don't know it's true, it sounds like bragging. So he sends me this oil. He sends me this defatted hemp seed protein. And it's basically, first of all, the oil is gold. And the only time I ever saw gold oil in my life was when they took cold pressing, which is a misnomer at best because they heat it up to well over 100 degrees. And the oil turns green from chloroform releasing in the cake.

1:34:08BubblemanAnd you end up with the chlorophyll colored hemp seed oil, which most, if not all companies have, because doing a carbon filter isn't really worthwhile just for the color.

1:34:21SpeakerWell, especially because people buy chlorophyll anyway.

1:34:24BubblemanYeah, exactly. And listen, this oil was gold to perfection. It blew me away. I tasted it and it tasted so good. Then the thing that blew me away more was the de-hulled hemp seed was all intact, completely non-destroyed at all. It was little embryos that instead of being gold were white. And when I had it tested at a lab, three labs, I spent a lot of money having that shit tested, They all came back with the same thing and they all were testing in the hemp industry in Canada.

1:34:55BubblemanSo they were people that were used to testing hemp. None of them had ever seen protein powder isolate test that high. It was 62%. The highest close to that, which was the company that basically my friend's company that just sold for 130 million bucks, Thank you for joining us.

1:35:39BubblemanWhat he did. So when he did that for me, that is when I put more of my belief in Indra, even though kind of emotionally, I had already, I was already invested in him. I knew that he was real. My analytical scientific mind needed a bit of proof. And well, that was provided in spades.

1:36:02SpeakerWell, I've been tested. Well, you have to understand that before we started extracting the seeds or before we started extracting any pot, we were in the essential oil extraction business for 17 years. We had been embraced by the biggest companies around the world. Roberté in Grasse, France leased the system and the method from us. And we had a lot of experience with extracting oils. We came up with a lot of new information by tweaking the system.

1:36:36SpeakerFor instance, we extract curcumin and, let's see, the curcumins come from, what is that?

1:36:45MarkTurmeric.

1:36:46SpeakerTurmeric. So they sent us turmeric to extract because turmeric, you can extract it two ways. One, the alcohol way, and you get the curcumins. The other way is a different way. Solvent and you get all the oil from the turmeric. And when they gave it to us to extract, we got a complete extraction of the curcumins and the oil. And interestingly enough, because of the temperature it was extracted at, they remained separate from one another.

1:37:17SpeakerThe curcumins were like milk. It was milky white and the oil was golden, golden orange. And they were both there. And when I put them in a separatory funnel, and that was all it took to get full measure of both of them. You just drained out the curcumins on the bottom and then the turmeric oil was on the top. And that started happening with everything we were doing.

1:37:40SpeakerSo I really came to the conclusion that The oil or the pot oil could be extracted much in the same manner and you could extract the higher, the lighter frequencies off the top and the middle and then the bottom stuff and this became of great interest to a lot of companies around the world who'd been extracting using heat to get rid of the solvents as you might imagine.

1:38:04SpeakerThe company in Germany that extracts and offers chamomile oil which has always been blue The real German chamomile oil is blue if you try to go get it in bottles. But when I extracted it, once again, I got a light yellow fraction on top and a very, very heavy off-color, off-white extraction on the bottom. And we were looking at it, and I took a little of each out and put it in a test tube and applied some heat to it, and within five minutes, it was all blue.

1:38:35SpeakerNow, John, was that at different temperatures that you were extracting? Yes, my system is able to extract from minus 170 to plus 220 and anywhere in between. And so having that kind of control allows you to Thank you for joining us.

1:39:13SpeakerAnd have you guys tested the different fractions? Because what I've seen come out when we're doing hydrocarbon extractions at various temperatures, the lower the temperature oftentimes pulls the smaller molecules first, which would classify the monoterpenes and a lot of the acid phase molecules. Bicyclic phytocannabinoids. So, you know, when we're doing extractions at colder temperatures, we were seeing a lot more THCA as opposed to some of the extraction systems out there that actually run heated gas.

1:39:51SpeakerBoth pull a little bit more wax, but also pull higher ratios of the acid and excuse me, neutral and basic form. Well, if you can run your temperature down low enough, I have extracted At a very low temperature, put it in the bottle, and an hour later, it was falling out of solution THCA in high purity. It just created a pile of crystals in the bottom of the jar.

1:40:19SpeakerSo I'm sure that as in the past, people have used heat to make separations. It's the more redundant of the processes. And I've chosen to use cold to make separations and different kinds of separations. And it's been my experience over the years that cold is much handier because you don't need 25 degrees between temperatures in order to get separation like you do with heat.

1:40:47BubblemanInteresting.

1:40:49SpeakerI think people are finding similar things with ethanol. Well, you can take, I've taken ethanol and made it cold with liquid nitrogen and made extractions. When you get the ethanol that cold, it does some pretty amazing things as well, I got to say. And I even, after I posted BHO, I even post it. Thank you for watching.

1:41:31SpeakerI tried everything. I told people you had to do it in the boat. You can't just do it outside and depend on the wind blowing it away because it's a heavy gas and it'll fall right down at your feet and rest there and burn you from the feet up. And if you think that you've had some shit in life, get your feet and lower legs burned.

1:41:52BubblemanSeriously, seriously. I had a friend blow up outside and he was very much like, he wasn't like against making BHO. He was against people who didn't know how to make it, making it. And he himself was one of those people who was convinced he knew what he was doing right up until he burnt himself very badly.

1:42:11SpeakerUnfortunately, people have a propensity to fool themselves and lie to themselves about what might and might not be safe. And what Dr. Bob was saying about the ignoramuses at the top who choose the rules and how we do things, studies have bothered me all my life because they've been... Long ago when I was in high school, someone told me, hey, if you measure the speed of light, it affects it by measuring it.

1:42:40SpeakerAnd that buried deep in me and stuck with me. And I thought, these people that are doing these studies are affecting the study by the way they're going about it. And so therefore, the information is dog shit. Well, you know, along those lines, one of my pet peeves are these assholes who talk about cannabis addiction. What they do is they take a population of cannabis users, and then they stop using it, or they give them Ramanubans, which totally shuts down the receptor, okay?

1:43:12SpeakerBut they didn't screen the people beforehand to see whether they were depressed, whether they had sleeping problems, whether they had joint pains, or any of these other things that cannabis is good for. So now you take all of these people and everybody's using cannabis is going to benefit for the most part, except for a couple of psychos, but most people are going to benefit, you know, and you take it away and now they're going to be, they're not going to sleep as well, or they're going to have more aches and pains.

1:43:40SpeakerAnd these morons call that withdrawal. We took away the food that was making them better and now they're suffering a nutritional deficiency and you're calling them addicted. Well, you know, another sad thing is they take that same information and use it. The government does. Like not long ago, I read that in Colorado, they decided that a lot of the car accidents had something to do with pot.

1:44:08SpeakerSo I got in touch with the DMV and I got a hold of some statistics. And it turns out that every single person that they mentioned who had an accident while they were smoking pot also had a blood alcohol level that would Put me on the floor if I drank that much. And they don't mention that part. They just mention... And then the other ones, the ones who get caught doing drugs and say they're doing cocaine, and then they get them in court and they say, yeah, I started out using marijuana.

1:44:35SpeakerI want to slap those people right down to the court. How many of those fuckers use that excuse to screw everybody else is just beyond, beyond... Tell me about it. I've been an expert witness in so many trials with these people screwing sick people. You know, it's just outrageous. And then the other thing is that you said about the study, they don't check those people out. Now the people who are smoking pot and having schizophrenic experiences, hello, they're already fucking nuts before anybody gave them a joint.

1:45:09SpeakerWell, they were already on meds. Exactly. These people have schizophrenic experiences after eating Jell-O.

1:45:20SpeakerWell, and the meds that they give people promote suicide anyway. You know, the government's policy is to kill the veterans because first they make the stupid wars. Then they send these people there. They come back with head injuries, for example, and because of pain and other things, what do they do? They give them narcotics. So now they make them irritated. They make them addicted. They make them constipated.

1:45:43SpeakerSo now they have enhanced problems with their family life. So now they give them antidepressants. That happened to have the side effect of suicide. So every 90 minutes in the United States, a veteran kills himself. Government policy is unacceptable.

1:46:00Etienne FontanIt's more than 22. It's closer to 50. And it's just obnoxious as we're talking in the side is that, you know, how do we get these people help when the helpers at the VA aren't even doing what they're supposed to be doing to even help the vets who are suicidal where we have them actually committing suicide out in the parking lots of VA facilities.

1:46:20SpeakerWell, you know, the thing about them, they wander the halls, the nurses do, with a clipboard and a pocket full of the antidepressants. And when you come in and they know you're a Vietnam vet, they come over to me all the time and they go, Hi, John, I'd like to talk to you about this new medication that a lot of vets are doing really well with. And I always look at them and go, no, no, I don't want any happy pills, thanks, I'm going to pass.

1:46:47SpeakerAnd they go, well, why not? And I said, well, you know what? Some way or down the road, that stuff is either going to be found out to be causing cancer, brain cancer, or something like that, or they'll quit making it. In either case, the vets won't be able to get it anymore, and if any of them have got machine guns at home, they may show up down here to register a complaint.

1:47:08SpeakerSo therefore, I'm going to avoid the happy pills. I've survived all this time. I think Agent Orange was a preservative, and I got plenty of it in me, and I'm still alive and well. Well, I'm not exactly well. But as I continue to take pot oil, I get better and better and better. And I can't even tell. They asked me how I got rid of the skin cancer.

1:47:32SpeakerAnd I just said, kickapoo joy juice. I sent off for it from Kentucky. And I poured it on there every day. And now it's gone. And they said, well, what was in it? And I said, hey, I don't know. It just said on the bottle, kickapoo joy juice.

1:47:47BubblemanThat good old kick-up poo joy juice, supported by veterans, for veterans.

1:47:53SpeakerExactly. I give it free to vets. I mean, when vets come to me and they've got some problem, I just, how much do you need? Yeah.

1:48:03BubblemanYou know what frightened me, Indra, when you told the story of being at the VA and her coming over with the pills and the sound of her voice, that robotic sort of calming like drugged out, that was terrifyingly accurate. And I've never even been to the VA and offered pills, but...

1:48:22SpeakerListen, every time, it doesn't matter which nurse it is, and I begin suspecting automatons because they all have that same thing. They come on to you like, hi. And I'm like, what are you taking? That's what I want.

1:48:45SpeakerOne point I wanted to bring up when you guys are talking about alcohol and butane is, you know, considering that they're completely opposite polarities, they have different responses and attributes that can be extracted from that plant, you know, and just something to consider.

1:49:04SpeakerYeah, Tony, I tell you that pure alcohol, Alcohol, 195 proof or better, dropped down to 150 degrees below zero, will make some interesting extracts.

1:49:22MarkIt gets pretty viscous.

1:49:23SpeakerLoads of volatiles.

1:49:24MarkDon't it, John? Don't it get pretty viscous down at that temperature?

1:49:28SpeakerStill works. What you do is you put the alcohol in the freezer and ramp it up until you've got it pretty cold, right? Then you pour it in, and then you put the whole thing in a container with liquid nitrogen in it, and cover the top with a bowl so that the overhead can get to it too, and that way you can achieve that temperature. And then you drain it off, and as you drain it off in the room that you're in, and it Thank you for watching.

1:50:09SpeakerLike I said, it produces some interesting results. John, how much time do you do that? We used to use and hydrate alcohol, and we got really super good results, but we would do it in an ultrasonic bath, and the exposure time was often less than one minute, and that's what gave us such high quality oil. The yields were good, but not great. But the quality was incredible.

1:50:40SpeakerYou know, I was going to mention that. I kept my mouth shut, but you let it out of the bag. The container that we put it in was an ultrasonic bath, and an ultrasonic bath makes a huge difference. What was the time difference? The time difference? No, the time that you had it in the bath of alcohol in the ultrasonic. Oh, I think we chose something. We chose a master number, which was 11.

1:51:10SpeakerI think the first time we tried it. So we had it in there for 11. And by the way, it was a industrial ultrasonic bath. It wasn't one of these ultrasonic jewelry cleaning things. Yeah, ours was a jewelry cleaning thing. We were just fucking around. We weren't mass producing. But we found less than one minute, we could get about 90% of the cannabinoids and terpenes. And zero green.

1:51:42SpeakerYeah, I didn't see any green in the 11 minute long one either, but we kept reducing the time on it each time. But there's no green to be had in it when you get to the right temperatures. When we did it also, when we did it for like 10 minutes or something like that, we got almost complete extraction like you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's not a bad way.

1:52:08SpeakerThe only thing is, to me, for my taste, it leaves, no matter how well you remove it all, it leaves a different flavor to it. And I propose extracting at very low butane temperatures. The only flavor it leaves is the one that everyone desires.

1:52:34BubblemanWell, we got 823 people watching live. A lot of people in chat over at YouTube enjoying the conversation. Good caliber of conversation and dialogue happening here on Hash Church 106 today. Just pretty good. 106 episodes.

1:52:51BubblemanNot sure how we've managed to do this 106 Sundays in a row, but here we are, lo and behold, ready to blow smoke to the Vatican for our good friend Rob Clark, who's unable to while he's visiting Turkey.

1:53:02Etienne FontanHey, what's up with that skate deck over your shoulder there?

1:53:06BubblemanOh, this is from Ripper Seeds. The Ripper Hayes.

1:53:13SpeakerCute. Isn't that your son's?

1:53:16BubblemanWell, yeah, it is actually. It actually is.

1:53:22SpeakerYeah, Mark started when his son was one year old buying him model airplanes and other expensive electronic toys that Mark had had a great deal of fun playing with.

1:53:35BubblemanI'll tell you this, when I first had my first son, I definitely wasn't prepared how long I had to wait to like play Hot Wheels and like have fun with him playing. It was like, man, like for the longest time he just sat there and did almost nothing. You know, books and stuff and have great experiences, but not the ones you think like, yeah, I can't wait to ride a dirt bike with him.

1:53:56BubblemanIt's like, okay, well, you probably better wait because that's going to be a few years.

1:54:03SpeakerThe video of your little man smelling the terpenes was absolutely the funniest thing I've ever seen and super classic.

1:54:12BubblemanYeah, that's a pretty awesome video.

1:54:14SpeakerBy the way, Tony, those terpenes came. Yes. The Red Congolese. And I didn't really know how to use it because you guys are way ahead of me on that. I just extract the whole ball of wax at once and it's always made for the most pleasant sensation. People can put it in a pen, open it up and sniff it and go, hey, that's this and that's that.

1:54:40SpeakerThey can identify it because of the way we do it. But anyway, those red congolese terpenes came and I put a little bit of it on a dab of train wreck oil. That I collected a few years ago, which is just very, very nice oil from a friend who's had that plant for 30 years and he's never crossbred it or anything. So it's an incredible rare thing.

1:55:05SpeakerIt produces the most beautiful oil ever. And anyway, I stuck that in my thing and smoked it and man, oh man. It hammered me, but the flavor, the flavor was like somebody pulled my tongue out. It was like a Roadrunner thing. Pulled the coyote's tongue out, painted it with a paintbrush, and let it go back in his mouth. That's what it was like.

1:55:25BubblemanYeah, the flavor's real.

1:55:27SpeakerThe Turp Tip. So what I do with it is, you can see this, this all starts off clear, and it gets a little yellow as I dip it, and that's where like that Early on in our shows, we heard terp dip. I was hanging out with a patient last night. We were smoking, and he had some rosin that was like, I had some super lemon cream terp rosin, and he had some super lemon haze or something, but we were dipping.

1:55:55SpeakerWe just take a little bit of that, and you just tilt the vial on the side, and you just dip it,

1:56:03SpeakerBarely in. Here, I'll show you. You barely dip it in, and you can get like 75, at least 50 to 75 of these terp dips. I mean, you contaminate the terpenes for sure. I mean, that's where Bubble Man went the other direction. But I mean, as far as like that, you just kind of do it on the horn. Do it right. Let's see if I can do this.

1:56:27SpeakerOh, you went deep. Yeah, right here on the side. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can see it now. Yeah, that's the way to do it. If you want to supercharge anything. For me, if you know what you're dipping into it, yeah, sure, not everything mixes well together, but that Jack Turp mixes with about anything. So I just Turp Dip it all the time. And that's exactly how I use it also, Tony.

1:56:57SpeakerExactly how you just demonstrated. And mine also slowly becomes more golden colored, exactly like yours. But quickly becomes gone. But it is yours because it was Red Congolese also.

1:57:13BubblemanIt was. Did you notice the term, the past tense? It was Red Congolese.

1:57:18SpeakerIt was. That's going to be an expensive habit, Tony, so I've got to get that worked out how to do that. Because I cannot afford that. I used the little dropper and I actually dropped the drop of the, well not a drop, you know that teeny little dropper, maybe an eighth or sixteenth of a drop onto the oil. And I'm glad I didn't like drop a whole drop on it.

1:57:45SpeakerYeah, you should do like two drops per gram of your oil and mix it in really well and let it sit overnight, you know, and then try it and see what happens. The only thing you have to be careful about with terpenes is don't leave the terpene bottle open, otherwise you'll have an indoor explosion.

1:58:07SpeakerI had an explosion in my head. Yeah, there's the terp oil. So the last time we were talking, this is what Scaldone was, we were talking about. This is the Turp Oil where, yeah, it's unfortunately really expensive, but it's all from flowers, no solvents, and was testing 86%, like over 40% terpenes. But there's, you know, 10 drops to a 0.4 gram of rosin. But man, it's incredible to like mix that with it.

1:58:39SpeakerI think Todd.

1:58:41BubblemanHe just held his up.

1:58:43SpeakerYeah, I did leave you one, right, Todd? You sure did.

1:58:48BubblemanTodd always has everything we're talking about.

1:58:53SpeakerClose, close. Only when you visit two days before and hang out all night.

1:58:57BubblemanNo, but even if it's a book or if it's a, you know, whatever it is, you have it. That's all I'm saying.

1:59:04SpeakerIt doesn't hurt when you visit and leave it with. It definitely doesn't hurt. So please do that again, Tony. Todd, where's that box of stuff you have off to the side that you pull anything out that comes up in the conversation from? Well, I do have a big office, so you would appreciate it, of all people. Borrowed that shit from Carrot Top.

1:59:27Ryan Dank AfHe's got the four-dimensional Santa sack.

1:59:33SpeakerOh, that is great. This stuff's been awesome, though, Tony. It's such a treasure because it does go so quickly. Past tense is exactly how you're describing it, quite quickly.

1:59:42BubblemanYep.

1:59:42SpeakerI love it. Yep.

1:59:45BubblemanIt does become an expensive offer.

1:59:46SpeakerI was just about to do a drop.

1:59:51Ryan Dank AfTony, I was in Amsterdam for a while with Sam and Rob, and we definitely depleted the stock that he had over there, so it was nice. The Red Congo on Red Congo is something else. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. But yeah, I was definitely impressed how it actually took stuff that was a little more sesquiterpene rich and lack of monoterpenes and just kicked it right up again.

2:00:20Ryan Dank AfThank you for watching.

2:00:38Etienne FontanExcept the crazy, be the crazy.

2:00:41SpeakerWell, crazy is also creative crazy. Crazy, you know, first they tell you, oh, they laugh at you, and then they start looking at it, and they go, what do you got here exactly? Then later on, they're like, hey, can I be the distributor?

2:00:57BubblemanOh, my God, that was good.

2:01:01SpeakerThe interesting thing is I always like sitting down with someone and we start off by, like, this would be a very good experiment. You know, you start off and you smoke some flowers and you're like, okay, the flowers are like 1 to 3% terpenes and then you smoke some concentrate, whatever that would be, and you know that's like 7, 10%, and then you jack it up to like 20% terpenes and then 40% terpenes, which is what is in that vial, and...

2:01:29SpeakerAs you do that experiment, you could really, really see the catalystic effects, I guess you would call it, of how terpenes work. Catalytic. Thank you, Mark. Tony, by any chance, do you know the terpene content of dry sift? No. Um, usually dry sift is like around, that could be 10 to 15, no?

2:01:51BubblemanI would have said over 10.

2:01:53SpeakerI would have thought very high, but I've never really measured it.

2:01:56BubblemanOver 10 is pretty high for an extract though. You never actually tested that there, Sam?

2:02:03SpeakerNo, no, I was doing terpene work with cannabis, but not with the resin. No, I wasn't. I did test some. I've got some... I did some terpene testing a really long time ago about herbal cannabis and the same resin from that herbal cannabis. But... We didn't measure the relative amounts except for we measured the relative amounts of each fraction.

2:02:40SpeakerI had a question because I came up to a stump like in SC Labs and Steep Hill, both of them. So what happens is when I do this prana infusion because I don't do an extraction and it's basically like taking a plant down, you know, negative 45, negative 300. Um, but basically taking that whole plant and then fusing it into the fatty acids. The problem that they have, they won't, they can't tell me what the terpene profile is.

2:03:12SpeakerSo I was wondering if, um, Is that something maybe Mark could do with the proton enamel or something?

2:03:20MarkOkay, so it's not fatty acids, right? So if they're fats, they're probably esters. They're probably the triglyceride esters, I would imagine. And so, yeah, once you put stuff in a fat like that, you have to do something called a... Fatty acid methyl ester, the acronym is FAME, F-A-M-E, a FAME study. So what you do is you take that material and you esterify with a little bit of acid, And now you end up making methyl esters of all the fatty acids.

2:03:54MarkNow you can get a fatty acid profile. It'll all fly in the GC. So the triglyceride is not volatile and you can't see it in the GC. You can see it in HPLC. But in order to see it by GC, you'd have to make the methyl esters.

2:04:10Ryan Dank AfSo the question is, is that going to be on the same column? Because I think Tony's saying he wants to do the terpenes, right?

2:04:16SpeakerYeah, I want to see what the terpene content is in my capsules and things.

2:04:19MarkYeah, I mean, once it's in a fatty acid, once it's in a fat or an oil layer, it's forever. It's lost. I mean, you need to do the analysis before that. To get it back out to quantify it is going to be difficult. But I had a question. So you said that that vial that you showed was only 60% or 40% terpenes. Is that right?

2:04:40SpeakerThis one right here, we were looking at the test last time, it was like 86 total, and it's like 400 milligrams of terpenes, so like over 40, but something like that.

2:04:51MarkOnces cannabinoids?

2:04:54SpeakerYeah, using it with rosin or something. Yeah, that's a flower rosin, using a sonicator with terpene. Right. That's a dog walker? That's the dog walker.

2:05:04BubblemanWelcome back, Sub.

2:05:09BubblemanDoing good, man. Your internet foggy on you or what?

2:05:13SubYeah, it's all good. I was just earlier just listening to Dr. Bob. I was actually learning a lot. It's really nice.

2:05:21BubblemanI've really been enjoying the conversation today for sure. I always like when people share. It was nice to see some of those photos of Morocco from Chimera. I'm hoping he's going to put more of those up later and talk a little bit about that. Just been great, great conversation today, today, guys.

2:05:38SubI wanted to actually chime in a little bit on something we were talking about earlier, which is the stress issue. So I don't know how many people know this, Mark. I know you know this, but about four years ago, I was diagnosed with a very rare disease. And it's called Alpha-1. It's genetic COPD. Now, prior to that time, I was a heavy cannabis user of all types, medibles, smoking, foods, and it seemed to make me a happy, smart person.

2:06:04SubThank you so much for joining us.

2:06:22SubKnowing I'm going to die from choking to death, that adds stress to you. And in running the cannabis business, as all of us do, it just adds stress when you are somewhat on the outside of it. You know, all my friends do bong hits around me and stuff, and I kind of have to run out of the room. So I just really wanted to chime in. Definitely for me, using large amounts of cannabis control my stress all my life, and not being able to smoke as much as I want has definitely made things more confusing.

2:06:47SubAnd I'd like to hear other people's comments on this.

2:06:52BubblemanHave you been eating more of it since you've been not smoking as much?

2:06:57SubYeah, I take about 500 milligrams a night in a medible. I make a little peppermint patty. I've taken upwards of 1,000 milligrams a night, but I'm wondering if after 45 years of smoking, my tolerance may be even more than that because the effectiveness of it is wearing off is what I'm telling you.

2:07:16MarkDo you keep the peppermint patty in your mouth, or do you chew and eat the peppermint patty so it goes down into your gut?

2:07:24SubI chew it and eat it. One of the problems we have here, and of course I can make my own, but it's just simpler. We have a local lady who's a really sweet lady. Her name's Karen, and she makes medibles, but she makes them with 30 pounds of trim, so you don't know what you're going to get when you get it. So lately, I've been doing my own oil itself, but I'm still figuring out the amount to consume.

2:07:44SpeakerSubcool, have you tried putting it under your tongue? Yeah, keep it in your mouth. I would put it under your tongue and let it sublingually absorb into your body very rapidly. You know, the tongue, the palms of the hands and the feet have this ability called, I forget what it's called now. But if you rub garlic on the bottom of your feet, the next breath you let out of your mouth, it's going to smell like garlic.

2:08:11SpeakerSubliminal absorption. Yeah, subliminal absorption is what it's called, and it's able to be done, the palms of the hands, the feet, the soles of the feet, and the tongue all have this in common. And probably, I'm guessing, somewhere around the rectum as well, because the tongue and the rectum are connected. Right, right. I would say that I would try putting it, warming it up a little bit, put it under your tongue, maybe mix it with a little ethanol.

2:08:42SpeakerOkay. Put it under your tongue and see if it doesn't... No ethanol, no ethanol.

2:08:47MarkOh my God. Just enough to make it so that it's... No, olive oil is horrible.

2:08:52SpeakerOkay, sorry, no ethanol. Use Coca-Cola then. Olive oil. Whatever your fucking ethic tells you. And Dr. Bob, you're there in the background. I wanted to say to you earlier, if you would like to have any of the extracts that could be made that you might use that you could play with a little bit, let me know and I'll provide them for you free of charge. One thing about putting extracts under the tongue is they can't be terpene rich or it'll be like fucking fire.

2:09:27SpeakerI mean like that. Yeah, eat a lot of hats. It's peppery. There's no doubt about it. It's peppery. But I put it under my tongue all the time. And the reason I do is simply it comes on as quite a rush. Okay. Thank you.

2:09:44BubblemanYeah, it's got to be intense stress, you know, thinking about that sub, that whole, the concept of choking and it's... What's going on with the choking?

2:09:55SubSo basically with genetic COPD, I have a reduced lung function right now. My O2 sat is around 93 and it continues to fall. To explain it to everyone, my body is missing an enzyme that protects my liver and lungs from my white blood cells. So once a week, a nurse comes and he shoves a needle in me and he gives me an enzyme from a healthy person.

2:10:20SubAnd it's $12,000 a month for the rest of my life.

2:10:29SpeakerHave you taken NAC, N-acetylcysteine? I have not. I've been blown away by how that has affected my lungs.

2:10:39MarkYou know, my whole life I've had this, I'm a chronic cougher. I've always coughed my whole life, with or without pot.

2:10:46SpeakerI almost never smoke. I eat it all the time, you know. But I would always have this discomfort where I wasn't feeling like I was getting a satisfied breath because I wasn't able to exhale from like a little teeny area in my lungs. And if I, for example, yawned or sneezed, things like that would open it up. And so when I found out, at the time, a friend, before I knew he was an asshole, told me to take this N-acetylcysteine.

2:11:19SpeakerAnd I did. And from that day on, I never don't take it. And I never have that issue anymore. N-C-O-P-D. And it's helped them as well. And it's actually known medically. It's demonstrated. Let me add something to this for you, for everybody who's suffering with the breath thing. I spent 30 years practicing as a DO, and I learned soft tissue manipulation. One of the things that I discovered during that time was you can only breathe in as well as you can breathe out, and if you can't breathe out, Thank you for joining us today.

2:12:16SpeakerAnd it makes a huge difference. If you understand how to manipulate the soft tissue of the body, and believe me, I spent 30 years doing it, so I know a few things about it. And you've got to be able to breathe all the way out before you can get a good breath in. That's just...

2:12:34SubAnd that's one of my biggest problems is they teach us to do what's called purse split breathing. You know what that means. But one of the things I noticed one day on my video show, The Weed Nerd, is when I take a hit and I would exhale and I would talk and I would notice the smoke kept coming out. So if I take a hit, it takes over 20 exhales before smoke stops coming out.

2:12:57SubAnd so what you said is very true. If you can't get rid of the carbon dioxide, you certainly can't breathe in any oxygen.

2:13:03SpeakerThat's exactly correct. You've got it. And pretty soon, that's where the deficiency comes from. So if your ribcage and your diaphragm are adjusted properly, you'll get a full breath out. And once you start getting a full breath out, you'll be a happier camper, trust me.

2:13:20SubIs there, do you think I should maybe see, I obviously have nurses and doctors and everything. Is there some kind of respiratory specialist that can help me with this soft tissue manipulation?

2:13:29SpeakerWhere are you at?

2:13:32SubI'm in California. I live in California.

2:13:34SpeakerWell, so am I. So am I, so you should see me. Okay, that sounds good.

2:13:41BubblemanYeah, you guys got a link anyway. I'll help set that up.

2:13:46SubReally appreciate it.

2:13:50SpeakerNo, listen, I hear you talk and I tell you're out of breath because when you speak at the end of your breath, at the end of what you're saying, you can hear your body go immediately right away. And so you're running what you're saying right down to the last of it. And having dealt with people with this problem for 30 years, you know, I know all the symptoms and all the signs and And you can just see it.

2:14:16SpeakerYou can see it in people's faces. I got to the point where people would come into my practice and walk in the office and I knew what was wrong with them.

2:14:27SubAnother funny thing about, and this is just a side note, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. One of the things that drives me crazy is apparently at 55 I look fairly young, so people all day long tell me how good I look while I'm choking to death standing in front of them. It's frustrating as shit.

2:14:43SpeakerWell, cannabis definitely keeps you looking young. There's no question about that because aging is caused by free radicals. And when you're using the body's most supreme mechanism to inhibit free radical problems, what do you expect? You age slower. That makes good sense. That's why I've maintained over the years that Agent Orange is a preservative. Because I'm 70, my hair hasn't lost any color, and people all the time at the cash register or wherever I'm at, there'll be a line of people and someone will say to me, Something about it, and I'll say, well, I'll show them my senior citizen card to get the fucking discount, right?

2:15:27SpeakerI do the same thing. And then they go, wow, you don't look 70. Can I have your phone number?

2:15:37MarkDid they ever tell you that you look like a young George Harrison?

2:15:43SpeakerNo, I've been accused of looking like, what's his name who wrote the play that they did the radio thing and everybody thought it was real back in the 20s or 30s rather.

2:15:54MarkYou know, the one...

2:16:02SpeakerIt was the Edward, not the Edward G. Roberts. It was the story of the Martians. War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds, yeah. War of the Worlds, yeah. Who said that? And who was the guy who did that? Orson Welles. Orson Welles. War of the Worlds. People tell me all the time that I look like a young Orson Welles. And I've heard it maybe 10,000 times.

2:16:26SpeakerI've even had a couple people ask me for an autograph. And I write on there, Batman. Thanks.

2:16:38BubblemanOrson Welles. I think he did F is for Fake as well. It's kind of an interesting flick if you haven't seen it.

2:16:44SpeakerI've seen all his flicks, yeah. He was an interesting guy, a very potent guy, very powerful. When he'd talk on the set, on the stage, everybody shut up and listened to what he had to say. He was an amazing person.

2:17:01SpeakerAnyway, Dr. Bob, did you hear me offer earlier to supply you with any things that you might need? I answered you, but I had it on mute, so I didn't want to interrupt and re-answer you. Oh, okay. So I'm always happy to play with things.

2:17:17MarkI have little bottles that I bought of Mure Scream, and I got a little Lulon order, and Beta-Caryophylline and all that shit.

2:17:26SpeakerSo I play with stuff because... There's a lot of important things that can be done. If you want to hear some more nonsense, I'll talk more. Yeah, please do. Well, you know, these cannabinoid receptors are quite magical because they also form association with other receptors. And not only are there hybrid receptors now, but the body also makes hybrid ligands. And, for example, we can buy nutraceuticals That manipulate many of our natural neurotransmitters.

2:18:04SpeakerAre you guys familiar with, for example, citicholine?

2:18:08MarkNo.

2:18:08SpeakerYes. You know, when you take too much pot or whatever that is for the individual, because it might be one direct for somebody, it might be a gram for somebody else, but cannabis is known to inhibit acetylcholine. And if you take citicholine, it eliminates the bulk of that paranoia and negativity, totally. And what it does is it increases acetylcholine levels. You can't take acetylcholine directly. It doesn't work.

2:18:41SpeakerBut there are three pathways that acetylcholine is produced in our body. One of them uses this citicholine, C-I-T-I-choline, and another uses 6-phosphoglyceraldehyde. And both of those eliminate the high. But there are other important nutraceuticals that we can take that will modulate things like serotonin levels, dopamine levels, all of these critical factors. And I think by taking them in combination with cannabis, we'll be able to deal with a whole variety of different psychological profiles.

2:19:18SpeakerAnd I have a friend of mine, a doctor who We're now integrating, on the one hand, the philosophy of my science, which is just really science of life. And we're going to explore with these different compounds on top of cannabis what might have a beneficial effect for him. So I think there's a lot of things that can be done with nutraceuticals. There are so many that you can do that turn on fat burning.

2:19:51SpeakerWhich is so healthy, which is why the ketogenic diets are good and all of that. But you can mimic certain things by taking these additional nutraceuticals. Things like resveratrol, for example, turns on fat burning. Polyunsaturated fatty acids turn on fat burning. Vitamin D and a whole slew. If you actually look, all of the beneficial herbs around the world throughout time, and you look at the active ingredients in them, every single one of them is, For the most part, turning on fat burning.

2:20:24SpeakerThe exceptions are the ones that are direct antioxidants or a few that actually turn off sugar burning so they indirectly turn on fat burning. But there's a universal truth here. We need to turn on that recycling system so we don't wear out quicker.

2:20:41BubblemanI was just going to say, because it all sounds very interesting, just to make sure when you're holding your phone that your finger isn't on your mic. Some people want to hear you louder. I can hear you perfect.

2:20:52SpeakerI'm on the side. I should be all right, but I'm eating as well, so maybe I'm... Oh, no problem.

2:20:56BubblemanI can hear you perfect personally, but I just wanted to... The odd time I have heard you get louder and a bit quieter, but yeah, that's all very interesting. It's nice to get a deeper understanding on some of these things.

2:21:08SpeakerWhat about nicotinamide ribovacide? Very important. Because I've been eating that lately and it's really been like a little kick in the ass, you know. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean it's been energizing. No, no. That's a good one because it actually helps promote fat burning because the way fat burning, one of the critical regulators of fat burning is an enzyme called sirtuins.

2:21:37SpeakerSo sirt There's a whole family of them. I think there's up to maybe 15 of them. And that's what resveratrol turns on, which is what was discovered because of why there's metabolics. Why don't they have metabolic syndrome, for example, in France when they're eating all these fatty foods? So the suspicion was that it was all the red wine. And red wine has a compound called resveratrol. And resveratrol Thank you.

2:22:09SpeakerThank you. Thank you.

2:22:38SpeakerIf you buy multivitamins, they sell you nicotinamide because the nicotinic acid causes flushing. But the nicotinic acid and the riboside, there's a whole slew of interrelated biochemical pathways there, in particular with the NAMDT transferase activity that recharges that. Everything comes down to flow. And we don't teach people in that perspective. We teach people statics. And statics in physics says life can't exist. It's too improbable. Whereas the work of Prigogine says life must exist.

2:23:17MarkTropically, it can't, right?

2:23:19SpeakerPardon me?

2:23:21MarkI said entropically, it can't.

2:23:23SpeakerYes, if you view it correctly. That's what Prigogine got his Nobel Prize for that because he went from equilibrium physics to far from equilibrium physics where Organization is a natural process as long as energy flows. I mean, we're all familiar with some simple examples of that. You know, the drain, when you drain your bathtub and you get the whirlpool, right? That's gravity acting and creating the whirlpool because the water dissipates its potential quicker by forming the whirlpool.

2:23:53SpeakerAnd it's the same thing with life. That's why life emerged, because it was a better way to make the universe stupider. And that's why evolution keeps driving us forwards. You know, and it turns out that the magic is just so fucking unbelievable. But the endocannabinoid system provided the key. I, from my way of thinking and what I understand, and again, I can back it up. We would not have evolved the human brain without the endocannabinoid system would not have been possible.

2:24:24BubblemanThat's no light statement right there.

2:24:28SpeakerYou know, I work with the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church. I got all these projects going on all around the world because all I do is try to spread trouble. And, you know, these guys are characters, but they are totally devoted to helping people. That's what their life is. They're true Christians in that sense. But for them, the cannabis is the sacraments. And they've gone to court here in the U.S. and throughout the world.

2:24:54SpeakerThey actually have a... A document signed by the Queen of England authorizing them, recognizing them as a church. So when Jamaica legalized, my friends all got special dispensations over there because of the good works they've done over the years and what they can do. We're involved in like a $350 million project to totally reorient the economy of Jamaica, powered by my friends from the Coptic church. It's amazing.

2:25:21BubblemanThat is incredible. Well, maybe we'll bump into you there. We have a little project ourselves going on over there. It's an amazing time to be involved in anything in Jamaica right now because they're really seemingly looking to embrace being able to finally use this plant. You know, it's all... I mean, it is... Although it is somewhat, you know, socially accepted in Jamaica, like in most corners, there are still people who look down and frown upon it, much like any prohibition enforced place.

2:25:57BubblemanBut you see that dissipating, and even the people who seem to be against it now, with all the way the media has been for the last couple of years since they announced it, and in my opinion, Jamaica's moved Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:26:36SpeakerReal bad hurricane.

2:26:37BubblemanYeah, yeah. That's true. Batten down the hatches for sure. Hope that it passes without destroying too many crops and homes and affecting the people. That's very true, Tony. We've got to definitely puff a bowl for Jamaica and the hurricane that is fastly approaching.

2:26:54SpeakerOh, it's a rough life, isn't it?

2:26:57BubblemanYes.

2:26:59SpeakerRemember when we were on the island a couple years ago, the first thing I said, because I've lived through about five hurricanes and a few tornadoes and a few floods, you know, between New Orleans and Florida and Kansas. So I've always, in the back of my mind, don't think about if, I always think about when Mother Nature comes out and decides to strike, because it will happen.

2:27:24SpeakerAnd my first thing was like, when people were like, oh, we're going to put up all these greenhouses and stuff. And I was like, well, what about a hurricane? Not on this side, man. I'm like, well, hurricanes happen in the Caribbean. They happen all the time. They can come from different sides and different angles. And they're scary shit. Scary things happen during storms. Tony, it's part of farmer's life.

2:27:49SpeakerThere is no such thing as a guaranteed agricultural crop. In Jamaica, it's even more iffy. It was just interesting that Mark was promoting pot there and Dr. Bob is at the Coptic Christian Church. It was a nice crossroad, crossroading there. Yeah, I've met with the prime minister and we've been all over the place there. If you look up Masada, M-A-S-A-D-A and Melanie, you'll see what's going on there with them.

2:28:18SpeakerIt's pretty impressive because they have an economic free trade zone that they're developing. That's going to be the centerpiece of the Jamaican, Jamaica 2030 industrial development, blah, blah, blah, you know. But it's something I'd like to mention since I have your ear.

2:28:37SpeakerYou know, this physics that I talk about basically tells us that everything is connected to everything else. And what we're seeing happening now with the cannabis awakening that's spreading around the world is really a new global consciousness. We have to look at things not as, humanity is not a collection of human beings. What it is is a biochemistry. It's the collective chemistry of humanity in the big chemistry set called the planets.

2:29:06SpeakerAnd if you guys are familiar at all with the Gaia hypothesis from back in the sixties there, that's really what's happening now that the earth is undergoing a global far from equilibrium phase change. And I believe that it's going to result in the dissipation of our existing governments. And we're seeing weather pattern changes. We're seeing migration changes, all of the interfaces between humanity and our environment. Are now fluctuating to extreme degrees.

2:29:37SpeakerSo from weather to humanity to finances, everything to consciousness, everything's going crazy. And it's either going to result in a collapse or a jump to a new level of cooperativity and higher intelligence where the world will no longer be dominated by the blips, but rather be dominated by the flips and a cooperative positive spirit where heaven on earth is really You know, the kind of attitude that we will have if the transition goes the right way.

2:30:08SpeakerBut I can tell you from everything I know, the transition is happening right now. And I work with a man who has solved many of humanity's future problems and creating new energy, clean energy solutions that I can't go into at all. But I can tell you that they are being implemented. And within the next few years, Shit's going to be very, very different than it is now.

2:30:33SpeakerI am 100% convinced about that. I've got a question that I'd like to ask just everybody and the people who are listening as well. Everything is connected. The entire world, it's all connected. There's no question about that. And what I think is happening is Earth is Is a living creature. And right now she's trying to shake the infection of man loose. And what she's doing by making marijuana available and opening it up right now is offering us a chance to come to ourselves and wake up and realize The harm we're bringing to her.

2:31:16SpeakerAnd then it'll be. Once that could happen, and I think this is probably a chance that she's offering us, and I think she also offers us all the psychedelics, the mushrooms, the peyote, and all the things that you can take, towards the end of waking us all up so we will stop shitting on her and hurting her and ruining her because she's providing life, oxygen, And everything.

2:31:42SpeakerAnd all these other signs are her saying, hey, look, things could be this way, could be that way. Hey, why don't you smoke a joint and rethink the idea of starting a new acid factory on the Amazon? Well, I'll take it a step further and say that You know, we're all born and we use very little percentage of our brain, and whether it's psychedelic or cannabis, specifically cannabis, I think what it's doing for humans is linking us into global consciousness, the global grid, if you will.

2:32:17SpeakerAs we know, we're all in one, but we have this intimate separation as humans, and then we've tried candidates for the first time where you try psychedelics and then you're linked in. Right? And now we're linked in in a different way. When plants express this and you see birds expressing this, you see it in nature. And like Dr. Bob said, it's like a, you know, it's, if you're using...

2:32:48SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:33:09SpeakerAnd producing as one unit, it gets scary because there's small people in power of large amounts of people. Tony? Yes. Could I interest you in the idea that we use 100% of our brain but not so much of our mind? Thank you for watching.

2:33:44SpeakerYou know, the heart uses the brain and the mind as a calculator to interface with reality. And when you get people that just use the mind, you get very evil people because you've got to have this mix. The heart is the voltage regulator of all that. And as your heart and mind opens, your mind will start using more and more of your brain. It's all there available, though.

2:34:11SpeakerI agree that we use what we have because that's how we got to where we are. But again, the reorganizations that occur phylogenetically are nonlinear. So what we're about to participate in is a nonlinear change in the collective human consciousness. All we are are quantized probes and adaptability in the big chemistry set where human chemistry is a component of a bigger chemistry set. We are just probes in adaptability, nothing more.

2:34:43SpeakerEverything else is illusion. We're fond of illusions, though. I mean, that's how people talk themselves into blowing themselves up and burning themselves to death because of illusions. The illusion thing is a powerful thing. The elite introduced the idea all the time that we only use a small percentage of our brains

2:35:23SpeakerI'd like to slap a few of them. Maybe one day we could get to the point where everybody gets high and then we look around and see who's not there. Then we go find them and drag them out fucking side in the sun and we can have a good look at who's been running things. Well, I think that it's mandated that our law enforcement and our governments test dirty.

2:35:46SpeakerWe've selected for the wrong people. We've selected for the blips. We're cannabinoid deficient, because who else is going to become a cop that's going to be piss tested?

2:35:54BubblemanThe blips don't dip.

2:36:00BubblemanGo ahead. I just said the blips don't dip, as in turn.

2:36:03SpeakerOh, yeah, but that's it. The whole deal is here. The world is run by backward-looking people. They've created a box that they call reality, and that box is supported by the FDA and the military and the police force, etc., When we need, instead of flowing harmony of a communicative and creative society, where we are now embracing what we were selected for, which is adaptability, which is cooperation.

2:36:31SpeakerIt's the, it's the, we've taken a wrong turn because it's the angry, aggressive people that have dominated. They naturally rise to the surface, but you know, even the Bible says the meek shall inherit the earth. And that's what we're undergoing this change now. That's going to occur as a combination of the cannabis awakening along with the inanimate world of the geniuses that are creating these futures, future alternate energy that are totally clean that are going to be manifest over the next few years.

2:37:02SpeakerWell, Dr. Bob, once in India, I heard a very high and wise guru say that two things rise to the top, the Kurds and the turds. And so... What we have to do is start... Well, yeah, everything floats to the surface, so we just have to start getting rid of the turds is the problem. And they've managed to get in a position of power because they keep telling everybody they know what they're doing, and we keep buying into that bullshit because responsibility is not something human beings love to embrace, unless there's a huge paycheck or, you know, a total of 100,000 rewards.

2:37:45SpeakerSee, that's where this experiment... That's where this experiment that they've created now becomes so totally important because they're going to be on one side of health because of their primitive thinking. And the people who have open minds are going to be on the other side of health, the side that is healthy. So we're either going to fight evolution or be with it. Dr. Bob, what percentage of the population do you think are smoking cannabis or taking cannabis, you know, supplying extra cannabinoids to their endocannabinoid system versus what percentage aren't?

2:38:23SpeakerAren't the vast majority not doing it and aren't they going to slow down the evolution of the universe? No, because what's happening because of this experiment, look, you're going to have people who are extreme, like the knockout mouse, right? They're really on high. And then you're going to have people who are more on the other end who are like tripping all the time, you know? And in between you have people that can go either way.

2:38:47SpeakerSo they've been indoctrinated by the bullshit. So their box, they've embraced the box. And there's the rest of us using psychedelics, et cetera, that are opening the box and seeing that this is insane that we've, You know, we blocked ourselves in the house all this time when the world is outside of us. So that transition is going to happen because of health. They've made this experiment between federal Support of pharmaceuticals and state support of cannabis.

2:39:16SpeakerAnd that experiment will create the change and the bifurcation. And we'll see who's who and who's where. I was just really wondering the percentages. Do you think more than 10% of the planet actually consumes cannabis? I hope so. They don't have to because, for example, Every doctor on the planet pretty much in Western will tell you to take omega-3s and fish oil because they're good for you.

2:39:41SpeakerWell, why are they good for you? Because they make pot. That's how our endocannabinoid system makes our endocannabinoids. So the knowledge is already shifting and will shift the population. The fact that ketogenic diets are helping people lose weight and be healthy, the fact that we can You know, eliminate the need for insulin and chemotherapy. All of that is going to shift with an accelerating rate those who can be shifted.

2:40:08SpeakerAnd a critical level is about to be reached where the planet will change. Well, don't you think people are starting to notice the fact that seems to have bypassed everybody? They talk medical cannabis doesn't do any good for you and so forth and so on. But I've stipulated and maintained for the last 30 years It's very, very difficult to feel depressed, fucked up, or hurt and be high at the same time.

2:40:33SpeakerUnless you're too high. Well, okay. But all I meant was as a palliative, as a relief for these other things, once you take it, it's very hard to be on the other side of the field. Okay, Todd is getting ready to slam me. No, no, no, John, I'm not. You know what it was is when Bob was speaking, it made me, you know, I've been an advocate of hemp seed oil in our diets for a couple decades because of the work I, you know, of Jack Herrer in his book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, and I've not really thought about the fundamental role that, uh, Thank you for joining us.

2:41:36SpeakerAnd now that's becoming recognized. So everyone listening should go out and so everyone listening should, you know, forego the fish oil and go straight to the source and consume large quantities of hemp seed oil and hemp seed foods because that's where they're going to get their richest source and best balance of essential fatty acids. Well, that's not totally true. I have to disagree with you there, Todd, because.

2:42:01SpeakerHemp seed oil doesn't give you long chain fatty acids. So hemp seed oil in particular is very rich in short chain ones. And hemp seed oil, for example, is great because your skin absorbs it because it's the short chain.

2:42:15MarkIt doesn't have arachidonic acid, which essentially is the fatty acid that you need to make 2-8-G-M. No, no, there's more to that, though, as well, because arachidonic acid is an omega-6 fatty acid.

2:42:29SpeakerAnd depending on how that's processed by cyclooxygenase, it can either make pro or anti-inflammatory. So this is another one of the balancing acts that was established with complexity. The EPA and the DHA, those are the really long, the 22s and the 24s, that you can't make very efficiently out of the shorter chains. And those are the omega-3s. And 100 years ago, our diet was tenfold flipped. From how we are now, now we're taking too many omega-6s, and those can be very pro-inflammatory, whereas the omega-3s are almost always anti-inflammatory.

2:43:05MarkRight, because there are pathways that take those on to natural inflammatories, like the leukotrienes and prostaglandins. Yeah, prostaglandins, thromboxanes, leukotrienes, etc.

2:43:15SpeakerSo I'm not sure what part you're disagreeing with. You're just saying that people should consume fish oil? I'm saying people should take Essential fatty acids in general and dramatically reduce their consumption of carbohydrates. Absolutely true. Yeah, I completely concur. The thing is, though, is that I think a lot of people don't realize how nourishing cannabis plant is in its hemp seed oil, which is legal and available at every single health food store.

2:43:46SpeakerAll of the things we're looking at that tend to be good for you are

2:44:16SpeakerPauline saturated fatty acids. Then there are things conjugated CLAs that are found in milk, for example. I live off dairy. I love cream and ice cream and all. But it all depends on your biochemistry. But this is another interesting little fact. 6,000 years ago, man as adults could not digest milk. But now, 6,000 years later, Europeans and North Africans, we can. That's an extremely high selective pressure that came with the domestication of the cows.

2:44:48SpeakerNow, was it simply because they were giving us protein? Or was it really because they're giving us endocannabinoids and anandamide in that raw milk from cows that were eating outside all the time, et cetera?

2:45:02MarkOr the beta galactosidase that you need to break down the linkage, right? You need beta galactosidase to break down the linkage.

2:45:10SpeakerDairy aside,

2:45:17MarkI'm sorry. Okay.

2:45:20SpeakerI think more people should read the book, Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill by Dr. Udo Erasmus. And it has a whole chapter dedicated to hemp seed oil. And it talks about the differences in what we're discussing. And it's the best thing you can add to your diet. Dr. Bob, is serodonic acid a long chain or a short chain? Serodonic is found in olive oil, and that's a, it's not a long, long chain, but it's a long chain.

2:45:52SpeakerOh, no, it's found in hemp, too. It's found in vanilla. Yeah, I know, but it's particularly found in olive oil, if I'm remembering correctly, higher concentrations. If you look up vanilla, you'll see it. Mm-hmm. Actually, flax oil, flax is pretty, they recently found CBD in flax, I'm pretty certain. And even the lignans in flax and cannabis have therapeutic values, so we're learning more all the time. Well, you know, I took flax seed extract.

2:46:22SpeakerNo, they did not find CBD in flax. That is not correct. They found CBD-like compounds. Right, there's no CBD in flax. Cannabis is the only plant that makes cannabinoids. We can all agree on that, right? I read something recently that I have to look into further. I read something recently that opens the question for me that I have to look into. The question of do other plants make cannabinoids or cannabinoid-like compounds?

2:46:47SpeakerWell, there is definitely another plant, the liverwort, it's called, that makes cannabinoids, THC ring-type cannabinoids. No, it's cannabinoids-like. They're not cannabinoids. Is that true for the liverwort? Absolutely true. Okay. Yeah, again, I don't remember the chemical structures. I don't remember specifics like that. Interesting. Well, you know, Dr. Lester Grinspoon just wrote a really good piece called Caneopathic Medicine, where he discussed is where he feels that cannabis should kind of have its own field in medicine because all of these cannabinoids in the endocannabinoid system go back to one specific plant.

2:47:26SpeakerThere are no other plants that we know of that make cannabinoids other than cannabis. There are other plants that produce cannaminic effects. So they may trigger the receptors or may modulate how the receptors work. So, I mean, just because it's a cannabinoid doesn't mean it's not active for medicine use. Absolutely very important point because, you know, for example, Asianacea, Has a compound that's active on CB2. Curcumin acts on CB2.

2:48:07SpeakerAnd in general, any plant that you look at, I'm telling you, these goodies are always going to turn on fat burning. So they're going to be very much involved with that biochemical swirl that provides the magic from cannabis. Yeah, I think that has CBG-like compounds.

2:48:30SpeakerI'll have to look at everybody on that one.

2:48:33BubblemanI like the pause. I like the pause.

2:48:36SpeakerThat's what smoking pure CBD does to you.

2:48:40BubblemanYeah, we pause for CBG here on Hash Church.

2:48:49SpeakerAnother pause.

2:48:52SpeakerI'm looking up the CBG in Eukanesha. I'm trying to find the plant that has other cannabinoids right now. I found it. There's a whole bunch of them there called cannabimetrics. Yes, correct. Todd, I would point out that we haven't discovered all the plants in the world yet, or the animals, or the sea creatures, or much of anything else. There's a big catalog of stuff, but nowhere here.

2:49:17SpeakerDr. Grinspoon puts known in his paper, all known. For sure. Yeah, you know, we know what we know. There's a lot we don't know for sure. They're finding new plants every day. I mean, people in the fucking jungle are finding new plants every day. And so I don't know about that. It's all known stuff. I don't buy it. Well, not only that, but the space... I didn't say it's all known.

2:49:42SpeakerI said quite the opposite. Not only that, but the space brothers keep bringing me new things. You guys are hilarious. I love the passion and the intensity. The Space Brothers keep bringing me new seeds. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They're dumping spores all the time, I can tell you that.

2:50:03BubblemanOh, shit, dumping spores.

2:50:05SpeakerListen, there's people who measured the amount of shit. You know, in the ocean, there's animals that live down at the bottom that just live off the stuff that's coming down from the top. Right. You know about that.

2:50:17Etienne FontanThere's many species that do that.

2:50:19SpeakerYeah. I think the excuse me, but the ecosystem here on Earth is existing somewhat. You know, the from space, there's so much shit dropping in on us that we just have no idea. I think we're even being seeded. Although I'm drifting off into UFOs. Yeah, well. Let me get my tinfoil hat. Let me ask you something. Hey guys, I just realized the time. I have to run, but it's been really wonderful.

2:50:47SpeakerSo thank you so much for inviting me on.

2:50:49BubblemanYeah, thanks for coming, Dr. Bob. Anytime, any Sunday you feel like sharing, you're welcome to come share. Really appreciate it. All right, guys.

2:50:56SpeakerYou have a great day. Peace and love. You too. Well, I had a question. Maybe the, as he's going away, it could have been a good question for him. Go ahead, I'm listening. Well, okay, so we were talking about humans with the endocannabinoid system, and I wanted to talk about animals. And if humans produce them and animals produce, you know, has an endocannabinoid system, and they produce them, is there a way that perhaps we can figure out a way as we...

2:51:28SpeakerI don't know. Is there a way to target cannabinoids and fats in animals and the extraction of animals since we're eating animals and chopping them up and eating them? Oh, you want to extract the cannabinoids? The natural cannabinoids tend to oxidize easy, et cetera, and the concentrations are incredibly low. I mean, the cannabinoid system works very powerfully with very small amounts. Your serum levels are very, very low.

2:51:57SpeakerFor example, a non-dominant, not active orally. It'll be broken down right away. I guess I was kind of... You can put chlorine on it and then it's stable. I was just kind of envisioning how we've trained chickens to just lay eggs all day long. If there was a way we could figure out... Get the cows cannabis and you'll have some good milk and cheese. Right.

2:52:22Etienne FontanIs that even possible?

2:52:24SpeakerYeah.

2:52:25Etienne FontanThere's been studies on it and actually they produce higher milk and better quality, et cetera, et cetera.

2:52:31SpeakerThat's it. That's it at all. There's a guy in Northern California feeding pigs just that and he's selling the bacon and the ham and stuff for enormous prices and all the reviews on it are this is the best ham I ever ate and that was a Jewish guy. I used to feed the chickens cannabis seeds. They loved it. You know, there's a town in China where the oldest people in the world live.

2:52:58SpeakerAnd their main food source is hemp seeds. And I guarantee you these are not FDA approved, you know, washed with no THC, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there's a lot of evidence in a variety of ways, but that's certainly one of them as to the anti-aging properties of cannabis. And with that, bye guys.

2:53:19BubblemanTake it easy, Dr. Bob. Hey, Dr. Bob.

2:53:22SpeakerYou know what Bob was talking about? You're talking about Bama China, right? Oh, he's gone. You know, Bama China is really...

2:53:29BubblemanIt is, it's Bama China. Yes, I will get him in touch with you, Indra. I have his connection on... Through Facebook, actually. And I'll share some of the, I'll get him to come join our group and share some of the links that he talked about earlier. And yeah, make sure we hit some of that.

2:53:49SpeakerWhat he went out on is really interesting, though. The place in China is called Bama, B-A-M-A. People can look it up. And it's fascinating because it contains the largest population of people living into their 100s, centurions, who are active in the community and still working. And the place is surrounded by native cannabis and cannabis hemp seed and has been part of their diet indigenously for thousands of years.

2:54:16SpeakerTodd, is that in Yunnan? You would have to look it up. I'm not that familiar with China. I stumbled upon it because it was about nutrition. And it was interesting to me because they were overlooking the fact that these people were consuming hemp seed, not really knowing what's in the book, Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, or Dr. Roberta Hamilton's work from UCLA. I was curious if it was Yunnan because that's where in China I saw the most cannabis seed consumption by people.

2:54:48Etienne FontanWell, it's interesting. It's called Bama because cannabis is called Daima, which is the great ma, which is the great cannabis. So it's very interesting that it's Bama.

2:55:01SpeakerIt's located in some place I can't pronounce.

2:55:05BubblemanHitting that Bama, that Bama weed.

2:55:09SpeakerIt's near Hechi City, H-E-C-H-I City. I don't know the prominent, so... Everyone should look it up because it's really fascinating because the truth is that hemp seed oil is a perfect food for humans to consume. It's a better balance of oil than anything we can get normally. Even flax oil is the wrong combination of LA and LNA for human consumption. I really urge people to look at the book, Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, and then look at Bama because the nutritional, the longevity village they call it, it's really fascinating that they're all consuming what turns out to be the marijuana seed, which turns out to be one of the best sources for human nutrition.

2:55:57BubblemanYummy. Can't go wrong with the good human nutrition. You still with us there, Chimera?

2:56:06Ryan Dank AfYeah, I am. I'm just working on some emails. Nice. Catching up after I haven't been gone so long.

2:56:12BubblemanHow long were you almost dying for?

2:56:13Ryan Dank AfA couple of weeks. Really quite bad for one week solid, but I started getting a little bit better on the second one. I think I still might even have some kind of organizm.

2:56:27BubblemanI'm telling you, I'm scared of that shit, man. Coming back from Spain last year damn near killed me, and I was sick for weeks. I was just like, what the heck? This is some other type of shit that we don't have in Vancouver or something?

2:56:40Etienne FontanYou got to fly to the other side of the... Hey, did you guys see the IACM Bulletin this week in Germany? The first patient got permission to grow his own cannabis. In Germany? In Germany. Deutschland.

2:56:53BubblemanThat's amazing. That's great.

2:56:55Etienne FontanSeptember 28th, the Federal Institute of Drugs and Medical Devices and Agency of the Federal Health Ministry issued its first permission to grow cannabis for his own medical needs to a 57-year-old patient suffering from multiple sclerosis. This permission is valid until June 30, 2017.

2:57:13BubblemanHow do you not take offense if you're also living in Germany, suffering from MS, and don't have that permission?

2:57:20Etienne FontanWell, does German law allow for if precedence is set to you to do the same?

2:57:27Ryan Dank AfI'm sure what it is is this is like an interim thing. So Better Can is sold in the coffee shops, and there's a company in Germany called CanMed that has just got import licenses from Tweed, so they're actually bringing Tweed weed over to Over to Germany to sell to the dispensaries also. And the German chancellery or the government, whoever it is, is actually in the process now of writing a domestic production law that's going to govern domestic production and distribution for medical purposes.

2:58:02Ryan Dank AfSo Canadian ACMPR kind of law. Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back.

2:58:32BubblemanYeah. Well, I mean, but if someone has that ability and they want to do it, right, whether they have someone who lives with them and is willing to do it or it's just a huge, I mean, in Germany too, though, that I think insurance is going to pay for some of that herb. So it might be also, you know, I don't think.

2:58:49Etienne FontanSo their medical is supposed to come online, but I'm not as familiar with the depth of what their medical law is or what it will become, but it's supposed to be.

2:58:59SpeakerOkay, well, here's a joke I saw in a German magazine that shows how advanced the Germans are.

2:59:07Etienne FontanGermans don't do humor.

2:59:09SpeakerNo, no, this one you got to listen to. The guy was pouring his dog a bowl of razor blades, and his neighbor came over and said, hey, I think that's dangerous. The guy says, no, I think you're thinking about chocolate.

2:59:26BubblemanOh, my God. That is so twisted.

2:59:32SpeakerAnyway, that's German humor. Just thought I'd lighten things up.

2:59:36BubblemanI appreciated it. Made me laugh. I like seeing the people that didn't laugh the way they were just like this.

2:59:41MarkBecause that's why it's so funny. You never hear that in Switzerland.

2:59:48SpeakerAre you kidding? Swiss jokes are the most mundane fucking jokes on the planet. The guy invented a three-legged chicken and he asked the bank for money to do that and they gave him a million Swiss francs. And a year later, they're like, hey, where's the money? Back on this. He wouldn't answer the phone so they drove out to the farm and there's like millions and millions of these three-legged chickens running around.

3:00:13SpeakerThe guy goes in and he says, look, you got all these chickens, how come you haven't been paying the bill? He says, yeah, you ever tried to catch one? So that's a Swiss joke and Swiss guys die laughing when you tell them that joke.

3:00:27Ryan Dank AfOh, God. So, John, I got a question for you. Do you, we're involved in a project over in Switzerland and looking at doing some processing for CBD extracts, and I'm wondering, do you still have your extract lab over there?

3:00:42SpeakerIn fact, I do.

3:00:44Ryan Dank AfSo it's still operational and available for contract production then?

3:00:50SpeakerNo, I'd have to go there and...

3:00:56SpeakerYeah, that just, I mean, it's sitting, all the equipment is there, so forth and so on. My partner is there. Nobody there really knows how to run the machine.

3:01:08SpeakerI would rather sell you a prepackaged system that I could ship to you that you could load, push a button, it does the job, push another button, and it dumps your stuff out, ready, set, go. Because the one in Switzerland is, well, it's my very first itineration of it, and I've changed many, many, many, many, many things since then. And yeah, I just, you know, I can't do a transatlantic flight anymore.

3:01:41SpeakerI've done so many, I've flown so many miles that I'm starting to have problems when I get on. At age 70, you're taking a much greater chance flying transatlantic flights than other people.

3:01:55Ryan Dank AfSo I don't go there anymore.

3:01:58SpeakerBut yeah, I still got the equipment there, but still, all in all, we'd rather sell you a very competent, well-made system and ship it to you. And you could do the contract work yourself, because the systems come with a license to operate and use the patent.

3:02:16Ryan Dank AfWhat's the legalities of hydrocarbon extraction in Switzerland?

3:02:20SpeakerPerfectly fine. I was there five years, and... You know, we had a regular above board out in the open, Swiss registered company, and the regulators didn't bother us at all. In fact, at the beginning, we weren't extracting pot. We were extracting all other manner of essential oils. And one of the presidents in Switzerland, they have seven at a time, was coming to us for some specific oils that was helping their child who had a genetic disease.

3:03:03SpeakerAnd so, yeah, they weren't against it at all when I was there. They were very happy to do it, have it done there.

3:03:13Ryan Dank AfCool. Well, maybe Mark will put us in touch offline. Yeah.

3:03:20BubblemanYes, indeed, I will.

3:03:25Ryan Dank AfYeah, Switzerland's an interesting place. They've got a lot going on again. They're really strict on the THC, but... What is it, 1%? 1%.

3:03:34BubblemanYeah, I thought they had a higher percent.

3:03:38Ryan Dank AfYeah, it's not as strict as other places in Europe, but, I mean, if you're concentrating, that's when you run into your issues, right? Of course. But they're selling CBD flowers for quite... You know, quite a decent dollar people are growing them indoors and selling them.

3:03:51SpeakerHmm. Yeah, a judge in Switzerland said they could sell it as a flower arrangement, a dried flower arrangement, and that's how that happened.

3:04:02Ryan Dank AfWhat about the aromatherapy pillows? Yeah, they cinched, really locked down on all that, but people are starting to do CBD production again over there.

3:04:13SpeakerAnd other cannabinoids also.

3:04:16Ryan Dank AfAs long as there's no THC in it, then you're okay.

3:04:19SpeakerYeah, but you know the Swiss police are about as laid back and relaxed a group as you could imagine. I'm sure a lot of Swiss police must get high because I just couldn't see that not happening because my friend who was there said he regularly sold to some Swiss police guys who viewed the THC thing as none of my business.

3:04:47Ryan Dank AfI was talking to a farmer that was down in the south just a couple of weeks ago and they were, you know, they said the police used to drive by and wave to them as they were out tending their huge multi-acre fields.

3:04:58BubblemanWell, even when they were upset with Chris Iverson and went to his place, they gave him documents and said, we're coming back in four days and we're going to make sure everything's right with this crop. And that was when he had this huge, like it was the size of multiple football fields out in his backyard there. Up in Volhusen in the north there. But I was surprised at how chill they were.

3:05:21BubblemanIt's like, whoa, you're just like, you're just going to come days before you come and tell him that you're coming?

3:05:29SpeakerOne of the troubles with Switzerland is, of course, there is no automatic right of bail.

3:05:35BubblemanRight.

3:05:36SpeakerThey just keep you. Yeah, that sucks for sure. Yeah, but you got to work at it to get arrested there. Well, my friend, all he did was sell 2,000 million, or excuse me, 2 million clones. And it was legal under the Swiss law because there was no THC content. These were vegetative young clones. Is that why Shantibaba was busted? No, it's not Shantibaba I'm talking about. It's the other ones.

3:06:07SpeakerCloser to Zurich, but the end effect was still the same.

3:06:11BubblemanYeah, well, Shanti Bubble was also selling just an insane amount of clones, like 20 or 30,000 a day, I think, at one point.

3:06:19Ryan Dank AfYeah, they were doing ridiculous, ridiculous amounts of sales over there of not only just clones. No, no, I remember the Mountain of Weed. Yeah, he spent some time in a Swiss jail for it. 18 months.

3:06:35SpeakerIt was 18 months.

3:06:36Ryan Dank AfWhen I was there, I made 880 kilos of hash.

3:06:43SpeakerAnd somebody was buying it like there was no tomorrow because I could never make enough for those guys fast enough. And oil as well. They used to sell our oil under the name brand of Nutella. And they sold it not only in Switzerland but all over Europe. These guys had a huge, huge warehouse. They had a bunch of dried pot that mice were living in. And had pissed on it all.

3:07:07SpeakerThey thought it was going to be throw away. And by treating it with liquid nitrogen, I was able to get the mouse pee out of it and make good hash out of it. And then all the leaf stuff we changed into oil. And believe you me, those guys, I mean, it was just selling like hotcakes. And I split off from them because they stopped, they didn't want to pay me.

3:07:30SpeakerThey wanted me to keep doing this stuff, but, you know, they're just like, getting a Swiss guy to let go of a lot of money is one of the toughest things on the planet. They're like geckos. Their fingers just refuse to let go.

3:07:46MarkYou got to get another Swiss guy to get the money out of the other Swiss guy.

3:07:50SpeakerYeah, that's it. You got that.

3:07:51MarkYou get a Scottish and a Dutch guy.

3:07:53SpeakerThey can do it easy.

3:07:54BubblemanOh, there you go. Yeah, Scottish and a Dutch guy. Now, that's not fucking around right there.

3:08:01Ryan Dank AfOh, the generalizations come out.

3:08:04BubblemanI love it. Actually, Carmelo would like to see some fucking papers on this shit right now. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I love you guys. You're all hilarious. Good fun, good fun.

3:08:18SpeakerBy the way, that picture of George Harrison there is another one of my wife's pieces of work. I'll stick one up every time I'm brought on, a different painting, so you guys can look at it. And Mark posted them over on Hash Church, because a lot of people in the side thing there have asked where they're at. So anyway, that's who that is, and I appreciate it, guys.

3:08:41MarkHey, John, who's the guy with the red shoes off on the side?

3:08:46SpeakerThat was when George Harrison was with the, I forget what they call that group, the, somebody on the road.

3:08:54MarkTraveling Wilburys? Traveling Wilburys?

3:08:57SpeakerThat's all those guys in the background. If you saw the whole picture, it's all, the rest of them are down below him.

3:09:04MarkOkay, so this is like a picture of George Harrison throughout his career, the young George Harrison.

3:09:12SpeakerYeah, it's a pencil drawing that she did one afternoon. And she does a lot of work. She's very good at shading, as you can see. And yeah, she's a great artist.

3:09:25BubblemanWell, definitely, I could never do that. I always appreciate the ability to be able to just draw something beautiful. It kind of, for me, is almost like a musical instrument, being able to just have, you know, Do whatever you want with this musical instrument and really sort of put out this incredible music. I've never been able to do either of those two things, like really draw impeccably or master an instrument, but I'm still young.

3:09:54Etienne FontanDrawing on the left side of the brain, it's a great book to pick up and it will show you how to actually do that. I'm a self-taught artist myself, so I went to art school. Let's turn everything upside down and draw it. It teaches you that. It actually shows you like when you do a self-portrait is you don't draw looking at yourself because you see yourself. You turn it upside down so you're just drawing the geometric shapes and therefore you actually get a better drawing that way, starting off that way.

3:10:20Etienne FontanSo it just gives you little daily tries and little things to do along the way that helps Hey, Mark, you do have

3:10:45SpeakerNot being able to feel the idea of expressing music, I'm sorry you don't have that, but you do put people together, and that's a great talent, and maybe someday you'll cry from the results of that. I mean, I play guitar and keyboards, and I've brought myself to tears through expressive music many times, and I've always appreciated it because it's really an unloading kind of thing if you've got the kind of brain that works overtime.

3:11:08SpeakerIt's not...

3:11:11Etienne FontanWell, it allows you to tap into areas which you don't even know you're tapping into or how you just do. And that's a wonderful thing about musicianship and playing right there, Dr. Scaledown.

3:11:22MarkYeah, I would go insane if I couldn't express myself by improvising music. I play music every day of my life. And if I did not play music, if I did not have a musical creative outlet, yeah, I would go insane.

3:11:37SpeakerWell, you're going to enjoy life a lot more because, you know, when I was in Southern California and we were growing pot up in high desert and my wife was pregnant with my first kid, I had a sitar and I would go and sit in the garden every morning for two and a half or three hours playing the sitar. And it would bring both of us to tears.

3:12:02SpeakerAnd my sons are the most peaceful people on earth, the first one that was born. I mean, he just doesn't know anything about fighting or anytime he's anywhere where all that's going on, he brings a great calming effect over it. And I attribute it to the fact that she smoked with all the kids. In fact, my nickname for her is Smokestack Lightning.

3:12:27BubblemanYou mean when she was pregnant, not like she was smoking with the kids?

3:12:33SpeakerI mean, no, and when my daughter got 13, then she was smoking with the kids. That's what I thought you meant. No, but that's not what I mean. She was smoking from day one. Annie smoked since I met her 30 years ago until today without ever taking a break as far as I know. And she produces those paintings and pictures, and so it can't... And all the kids are very creative.

3:12:56SpeakerMy one son is a math genius, got an offer from MIT to attend. He was studying calculus in the ninth grade. And so I don't think having all those cannabinoids in the system had any deleterious effects whatsoever.

3:13:09BubblemanNo shit. Potentially the opposite.

3:13:13Etienne FontanI've had a friend of mine who's had 10 different kids and all were conceived under cannabis. And he would say, you know, cannabis was never the problem. But I agree that I think that, you know, musical outlets, creative outlets, for myself, I play music. I have an obnoxious collection of ukuleles. I love playing music. It's my release to, as opposed to I used to draw, et cetera.

3:13:33Etienne FontanI got really addicted in college to the, because I was a self-taught artist, I never had timelines or I had deadlines. And I got addicted to the deadline and getting really creative right before the deadline and literally having all these, Thank you for joining us.

3:14:09Etienne FontanBe there in a whole other type of meditation, mindset almost. And by tapping into that, I think it's very peaceful and very therapeutic to all souls, especially that playing it or those around it or that have influence. It's a very beautiful gift. I'm humbled to have it.

3:14:30SpeakerYou know what? Our brains are very amazing things. And when a bell is rung in the room with other bells in it, They'll all vibrate. And when you're playing the music, you're vibrating your brain and you're affecting everybody around you and you're affecting your environment because our brains are ringing that very same tone. That's why people love concerts. They go there and everybody changes into a bell.

3:14:58Etienne FontanThat's a beautiful analogy.

3:15:00BubblemanI love ringing my bell. Not going to lie.

3:15:04Etienne FontanI've had it wrong once or twice.

3:15:06BubblemanAbsolutely. What was I going to say in regards to music? Oh, in regards to music and emotional outpour, the first time I ever cried for music was at a Zakir Hussain concert. Sakir Hussain, and he had some incredible people, the crazy, I wish I remembered his name, famous flute player, and he had Ravi Shankar on the sitar, and it was basically just this incredible, you know, all like masters of their instruments, but watching those guys do it, Definitely brought tears to my eyes.

3:15:44BubblemanI recorded that show as well on my little DAT recorder, so it's always nice every once in a while to go back and get the hair to stand up on my neck and arms.

3:15:52SpeakerIf you're ever watching Ravi Shankar and Khan playing sitar and tabas together, the looks on their faces are enough to make you go into a... It's a spasm of joy. Bobby Shanker, he cries and the smile on his face. I've seen him play in person five or six different times. Always been sitting right up in the front. I was there at the Monterey Pop Festival in the second row of seats right behind the stage.

3:16:20SpeakerThat was the first place I was filled with tears of joy. I was young. I was crying while I was there. And seeing his face just made me cry like a baby the entire time. But I didn't care because everybody else around me was crying and had the same vibration, you know. It was joy. It was unadulterated pure joy. And feeling that is the greatest palliative to stress and things that are going on in your body that ever existed.

3:16:46Etienne FontanOh yeah, I played live when I had a punk band back in the day. I remember playing and singing. I was playing bass and I was singing and I was the first time I astral projected literally out of my body. I literally left my body, shot up into I don't know where, but I just remember trying to hold the note vocally and play bass at the same time and then coming back into my body and it was the most amazing experience That sounds pretty intense.

3:17:27Etienne FontanIt was. It was absolutely intense. And yeah, playing bass is tough a lot. And playing bass and singing has its own little difficulty to it. But I don't know. I hit this certain note and this certain tone. And I hit them both. And they went harmonically. And that harmonic trigger just caused the top of my head to just pop off. And I don't know where I went.

3:17:51Etienne FontanBut I went quicker than I ever went on DMT. That's for sure. Nice. Very beautiful.

3:18:07SpeakerI had about halfway through it, and all of the sudden, all around the room, I saw that everybody had a mandala above their head and below their feet, and the mandalas were all different colors, and energy was radiating from them. I still kept taking that hit in and taking it in, and then pretty soon, this beautiful lady was standing next to me saying, don't worry, everything's going to be alright.

3:18:29SpeakerI finally got the whole head in and let it out and I was sitting there and I noticed these mandalas underneath everybody's feet. It was really crazy. There was one lady in the room who had this completely black one underneath her feet and when we finally came down five minutes later, that was also one of the fastest, most intense trips I ever had in my life, up and down like a fucking rocket ship.

3:18:50Etienne FontanWell, that's why it's called the working man psychedelic.

3:18:53SpeakerI'm telling you, man, that was like... And it's funny that she had a black mandala under her feet afterwards when we came down and she walked out of the apartment and I said to my friend, who was that? And he goes, Mrs. Bad News. And I'm like, amazing.

3:19:09BubblemanMrs. Bad News.

3:19:11Etienne FontanI had some amazing experiences on DMT. I've actually, Todd and I have done it together and I've done it various times and it's a beautiful experience but it's amazing how fast you go and how fast you come back. It's literally within five to ten minutes and it's done.

3:19:28SpeakerWell, our bodies are full of DMT anyway, and so as soon as you push a little more in, and in the way that our body can take it in, because orally it has to be mixed with something else in order to be effective, but as soon as you push a little in, the whole thing sort of boils over, and that's where the experience comes from. Orally, you just need an MAO inhibitor, right?

3:19:52SpeakerYeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go.

3:19:53BubblemanArmin and Armin is definitely going to do the trick and you can extend that experience for hours if you like.

3:20:02SpeakerOh yeah, I've had ayahuasca. There it is. I went to an ayahuasca ceremony in Amsterdam which they held them there regularly and I walked into the place and They were holding a tantric sex class right next door to the ayahuasca thing, so I didn't get to the ayahuasca thing that day. The next day, though, but there was a blonde lady waiting outside, and she said, hey, I don't have a partner.

3:20:31SpeakerCan you come with me to tantric sex? And boy, they were just doing it in there, so yeah. Anyway, next day, I went to the ayahuasca ceremony, and... We kept taking cups of it and cups of it. And I had been at the place he wanted to bring us to. To me, it was like an old bus stop. I'd been there lots of times on lots of different things.

3:20:52SpeakerAnd so I kept asking them for more. And they thought, well, you probably shouldn't have it, but okay, here's another cup. And everybody was picking their guts out. And I was just sitting there having the time of my life. And I really appreciated it the next day when I went back to tantric sex class again. Amsterdam's been good to you, John. Hasn't it? You go to all the good classes.

3:21:17SpeakerYou don't find touching sex classes everywhere, Mark. What can I say?

3:21:21Etienne FontanYou've come to this conclusion?

3:21:25SpeakerI've never seen them here anywhere. Here, I mean, the closest thing they have to that is Craigslist. And by the way, I'm at the age where the only sex I get is when I tell somebody, hey, fuck you.

3:21:38BubblemanOh, that's all good.

3:21:42SpeakerWell, tantric sex class lessons are very amazing to the person on the side thing there. You get undressed first, and your imagination can take care of the rest.

3:21:55BubblemanYeah, I figured we'd all pretty much understand what's going down. I want to hear a little bit more about Morocco, dude. We saw some of those photos. How was that? What were you collecting, seeds or something? Yeah, what awesome genetics did you see?

3:22:07Ryan Dank AfNot really collecting seeds as much. Am I sharing screen or no? Right now it's you. I'm just trying to get some photos pulled up that make it easier to share them.

3:22:21Ryan Dank AfNo, we didn't really collect anything to be perfectly honest. It was all modernified.

3:22:26Etienne FontanReally?

3:22:27Ryan Dank AfYeah, it was really strange going back this time. There was so much just of everything, you know? Like... All this Dutch stuff and all of it was feminized. Let me pull up a couple of fields and I can show you. Fields of feminized Dutch stuff. Yeah, well, it was interesting to see, you know, as far as production, when you're doing 10,000 plants on a hectare or an acre, sorry, that's a lot of clones to take and a lot of mothers.

3:22:59Ryan Dank AfAnd if you're doing multiple acres or multiple hectares, then, you know, it gets really crazy.

3:23:04Etienne FontanHey, there we all are. Look at us.

3:23:08Ryan Dank AfYeah. Nice. That's better. So it's actually, I mean, they make for great photos. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot more herb being grown in Morocco than there was before.

3:23:20Etienne FontanYou can see the different color of those different varietals off in the distance.

3:23:24Ryan Dank AfI'm not sure what that is. I think it is all the same type. It's just either the sun or it's the soil or the watering system that's putting a difference in. Gotcha.

3:23:36SpeakerNot enough fertilizer.

3:23:38Ryan Dank AfSo here's a field, for example, or part of a field. You can see there's no fertilizer, I mean. Right. But they have a drip system, so they're running that. Yeah, so the drip systems are the key, and that's really something that's come in over the last five or maybe seven years, where people were doing more broadcast seeding by hand, you know, just throwing it out there. And now it's like intentionally planting on the drip spot.

3:24:03Ryan Dank AfSo they're planting in rows now.

3:24:05SpeakerYeah. Amazing. Growing it in a really shitty soil.

3:24:10Ryan Dank AfThat's what there is. I mean, this is the Rift Mountains in Morocco. It's not an ideal spot to be doing any type of agriculture. And it's one of the reasons they let them get away with this is because they say it's one of the only things that you can grow up there.

3:24:28Ryan Dank AfUnreal. So anyway, these ones, the really interesting ones in this photo, I don't know if you can see these little... Little bushes. Yeah, they're little like... Little pygmies. Lebanese or Afghani, really a real throwback. Some stout shrubs. We took pictures of these because they're reminiscent of a variety of a hemp breeder from Hungary that's passed, but he developed an ornamental variety called Panorama. Panorama. And so it was... Nice game.

3:24:56Ryan Dank AfYeah. He envisioned planting these in front of your house, right? That's awesome.

3:25:02Etienne FontanBecause we need little hemp shrubberies, you know. Well, then you don't have to cottonize it so much.

3:25:07Ryan Dank AfYeah. I do it... So I was bummed that I didn't grab seeds. I didn't even think of it until after, and we were already well gone from that field. But it would have been an interesting one to have. So they're mostly New World genetics now is what you're saying? It's almost all New World genetics.

3:25:24Etienne FontanSo mostly Dutch or US varieties? What?

3:25:27Ryan Dank AfYeah, a bit of both. A lot of these were like OG and sour diesel hybrids.

3:25:32MarkRyan, what type of pest pressure do they have over there?

3:25:38Ryan Dank AfThere's a lot of grasshoppers. I actually got some good ones, the grasshoppers. Let me find those for you too.

3:25:43Etienne FontanBut they mostly eat the leaves. They don't eat the calyxes, do they?

3:25:46Ryan Dank AfNo, they got these budworm type things that get in and really mess with you.

3:25:54Etienne FontanAre those the same ones like we have in California that are those moths that spiral up through the buds and quorum out?

3:26:02Ryan Dank AfI'm not sure they're the same one, but there's definitely the same type of pest. They burrow right in through the top, and then they get down into the bud and eat away, but they obviously leave a big trail of shit and mush in their wake.

3:26:19BubblemanNasty.

3:26:20Ryan Dank AfSo this one's pretty cool. It's the... A bunch of hippie bugs. Yeah, this one is actually, what's going on here?

3:26:28Etienne FontanIs that the shell of one? Yeah, it's the shell.

3:26:31Ryan Dank AfAnd he's actually on the other side of the field, or the other side of this picture. Let's see. So he exercises exoskeleton. Sorry.

3:26:42Etienne FontanAre you seeing that still?

3:26:43Ryan Dank AfYou can do it.

3:26:46Etienne FontanBut we believe in you.

3:26:47Ryan Dank AfHere he is right there. He's on the other side, munching away.

3:26:55Ryan Dank AfHe didn't want to go anywhere. We were kind of poking him, but he didn't want to go anywhere. Are you automatically assuming that bug's gender? I am, actually.

3:27:02SpeakerDude, you can't scare hippies off from joints. What makes you think you're going to scare a bug off of one?

3:27:09MarkYeah, he looks baked. That grasshopper has chosen wisely. He's got striped eyes.

3:27:16Ryan Dank AfYeah.

3:27:20BubblemanOne of them striped eyes.

3:27:23Etienne FontanWhat are we using? Do you have a camera when you're over there?

3:27:26Ryan Dank AfYeah, I brought a camera. Those are actually taken with my phone.

3:27:28BubblemanNo, he drew all these, Etienne.

3:27:32Etienne FontanI was trying to find out whether they're Canon, Nikon, iPhone. I'm just being a dick.

3:27:36Ryan Dank AfNo, those are actually iPhone photos, believe it or not. I believe it.

3:27:41SpeakerDo you see those crazy sunglasses that Grasshopper's wearing, striped up and down?

3:27:46BubblemanYeah, those are Yeezy. Those are Kanye West's newest product of grasshopper sunglasses. They're all the rage, John.

3:27:53MarkRyan, show the catch basins where they catch water.

3:27:59Ryan Dank AfYeah, let me see if I can find a good one of those.

3:28:06Ryan Dank AfTrying to remember what day it was.

3:28:10MarkSo there's no running rivers or streams or no natural water for them to tap into?

3:28:15Ryan Dank AfNo, well, I'll show you some of the pictures down the way there are.

3:28:19Etienne FontanAre they using hydroponic solutions or what are they using?

3:28:22Ryan Dank AfYeah, no, so they're pumping water usually into reservoirs and then they're adding nutrients, like hydroponic type nutrients.

3:28:32Ryan Dank AfIt's hard to see in these ones. This one, there's only one you can see, but look off to the right here. There's this massive pool.

3:28:39SpeakerYeah.

3:28:39Ryan Dank AfWow. Okay. And these are like something that have really popped up in the last five years. I never saw them before at all. That is huge. No, they're massive. They're absolutely huge.

3:28:49BubblemanThere was a huge mansion in that same picture and it was dwarfed by that thing.

3:28:54Ryan Dank AfWell, you got, listen, anywhere that there's pot, there's a mansion. Anywhere that there's money, they're growing pot. Okay. So, yeah, well, but like here, for example, here's a huge one too.

3:29:08MarkLooks like pot and watermelons.

3:29:11Ryan Dank AfYeah, that's exactly what it was. Found a watermelon in one of the fields, just a volunteer growing.

3:29:18Etienne FontanSo they're just plastic or rubber lining, just...

3:29:23Ryan Dank AfYeah, they're digging these big holes up and then using the dirt that they're pulling out to build big berms. They're really high support, but they line them. Let me just go in with these ones. They line them with this rubber barrier and they seal it all up and then they hold the water. They say that it's for collecting rainwater, but the reality of what they're doing is they're picking it up in the spring when the water table is high and they're pumping out these huge Thank you for watching.

3:30:08Ryan Dank AfRenegade Farming up in the Rift.

3:30:10SpeakerBut it looks like they dig them deep and narrow, which minimizes surface area, and you're going to lose the evaporation if you keep the surface area down. It doesn't evaporate as much, you know. It's like putting water in a bottle and putting water in a pan and sticking them both outside. The pan's going to dry up way before the bottle.

3:30:29Ryan Dank AfAbsolutely. They would be, I mean, I saw the same ones in Holland beside the greenhouses and the greenhouse complexes and the smart Dutch farmers are, you know, they've got them covered.

3:30:38Etienne FontanOh, are they vegging, cloning these or putting these straight out as seeds?

3:30:42Ryan Dank AfNo, these are seeds, but they're being germinated in greenhouses, like big greenhouses. You can't actually see it in these ones. Actually, you can. Look on the back of this one. See, there's a hoop on the roof.

3:30:52Etienne FontanYeah. Yeah, so those are probably for starting seeds. So they're popping them up there and then putting them out.

3:30:57SpeakerYeah. Nice picture. Nice picture. It's time the seeds went the other way, huh? We got them from them first, and now they can get the hybrids back over there. A lot of people I know are importing seeds back towards Europe from here.

3:31:12Ryan Dank AfYeah, absolutely.

3:31:16SpeakerSo, and that's what's happening. Yeah, well, I mean. Seeds are something you can still send through the mail. And be relatively assured that they'll arrive. A friend of mine sends a lot of seeds, but he also has a bead business, and he mixes the seeds in with the beads and sends them, and he's never had anybody intercept or anything like that.

3:31:38Etienne FontanSo you can't send a full plant is what you're saying?

3:31:41Ryan Dank AfWell, these are all, like I said, these are feminized, and these guys are deciding to plant them instead of clones for production.

3:31:49SpeakerOf course, less chance of getting a bunch of males.

3:31:54Ryan Dank AfWell, no, clones would be, there would be an equal chance of these feminized seeds, probably even less chance of getting males.

3:32:01SpeakerWell, that's true. I meant, by planting unknown seeds, you take a mix, and if you have feminized seeds, you're always going to get female plants. That's what I meant.

3:32:12Ryan Dank AfYeah. It was just interesting to me to see that these guys, I mean, you can see by the rows, you can't see it in this photo, but a lot of them, you can see their rows. They're grown in real rows, right? Yeah. It's obviously just a sign of real agriculture, right? And they've adopted the feminized seeds like no problem. You know, they're really obviously quite happy with them.

3:32:34MarkRyan, are you able to show the hash making process? I'm sure the viewers on Hash Church would love that, especially if you can show that video.

3:32:42Etienne FontanYeah, what you got, man? Come on.

3:32:45MarkSo all of this product is intended for you?

3:32:48Etienne FontanWe've seen all this pre-processed stuff, as the kids call it.

3:32:52MarkSo this all ends up in the Morocco market as hash?

3:32:56Ryan Dank AfUh, there's no market, no, per se. You know, it's completely illegal. The hash trade is completely illegal. The growing is one thing, but the actual hash trade is like really fraught with hurdles to get this hash to Europe, okay? So the people that are doing it are really quite organized and The way that it used to be, more renegade style, people from Europe or wherever going up and buying a few kilos in a taxi, you know, those days are kind of over.

3:33:29BubblemanMoving that shit by the pallet.

3:33:31Ryan Dank AfYeah, they're very organized in how they're moving it.

3:33:35SpeakerWell, it's pretty easy to buy the police department in Morocco.

3:33:39Ryan Dank AfYeah, but there's a lot of different police departments. Okay, so let me just set this up. You can see what he's doing. They've got a big bag of cannabis. That holds probably like, I don't know, 100 pounds maybe. It's really dry, but it's just bud. And in this other bag, it's a long kind of snake-shaped bag, they've got a big basin inside it with a screen tied over the top, and that's that black material.

3:34:06Ryan Dank AfAre these sun-dried buds? Yes. Yeah, they tried doing it the other way, but as Sam was saying earlier... Modern drying techniques didn't apply well to the end result of the hash. Gotcha.

3:34:24Etienne FontanAnd it's all about the end result.

3:34:25Ryan Dank AfYeah. So this is all produced, dried outdoors, and then they bring it in and, well, anyway, I'll show you. I'll let it run.

3:34:38Ryan Dank AfSo they essentially fill this bag

3:34:44Ryan Dank AfThey fill this bag with the bud and they just put a bunch of it on the screen. And I'm just going to jump ahead because it's a little uncut. So you can see here they end up with a bag filled with bud on top of the screen over another container. And I'll just let the video run and you can see exactly what they do. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.

3:35:08Ryan Dank AfThe two sticks tap?

3:35:09MarkYeah. Yeah, this is so cool because they're actually making music while they're making hash, which is spiritual on a whole new level, right?

3:35:17Etienne FontanWell, an old world level.

3:35:22MarkOld world level, but on a whole new level, right?

3:35:25Ryan Dank AfI don't think this is new. So you can see at the end here, the bag's closed again, just like this bottom one, right?

3:35:33Etienne FontanAnd so he's putting what, like an elastic around there? Yeah, it's just to hold it tight.

3:35:39BubblemanThis is the sound that you can hear from many a building around Morocco during harvest season, I suspect.

3:35:44Ryan Dank AfThis is actually more towards January. January. When everything's really dried up. I mean, they're in no short, they're in no quick hurry to sell this year's crop. Apparently, they've got lots and lots stashed from previous years. That's what I would think. They're way overproducing the market in Europe.

3:36:03Etienne FontanWow. Well, that's because they're having trouble getting into Europe more and more every year.

3:36:10Ryan Dank AfYeah, also the European market has changed. It used to be really a hash desiring culture and now probably 80% of the customers want flowers.

3:36:18Etienne FontanReally? Wow, that is a significant change because when we were originally into this, you could, you know, flowers were very difficult outside of the Netherlands.

3:36:25MarkWow. Why do you think that changed?

3:36:28Ryan Dank AfIt's just, it's like North America. It's the same way. I mean, at one point in time in the 80s, it was all hash. There wasn't a lot of, you know, good domestically grown pot and More people have learned how to do it. It's changed the taste of the market.

3:36:41SpeakerThe problem in the Netherlands is in the coffee shops, it's easy to get cannabis that's over 20% THC, whereas hashish, most of it is only 15 or less. Most of the imported hashish is poor quality. So, yeah. I mean, you can make good quality hashes, but most hashes farmers make more hashes, not more better hashes.

3:37:09Etienne FontanSo how long do they actually beat this drum?

3:37:13Ryan Dank AfOh, not long. I mean, maybe another couple of minutes, and then they take it off and they dump the spent herb into the bottom of this bag, and then they essentially just load it again, and that way... They can track how much herb went in, how much resin came off, and they also trap it for another run-through.

3:37:34Etienne FontanDo you know what micron that screen is?

3:37:36Ryan Dank AfI have no idea. It's probably somewhere between 160 and 200. That's what I would guess.

3:37:42Etienne FontanMost likely like a silk screen or something.

3:37:45MarkDo you have a picture of the hash that comes out of that, Ryan?

3:37:51Etienne FontanLet's see what we got here. So is that like a stainless steel bowl they're using or a ceramic lined bowl?

3:37:59Ryan Dank AfNo, it's just a plastic wash tub.

3:38:07Ryan Dank AfLet me see. Where's the...

3:38:15Etienne FontanThere you go. A little cake there.

3:38:20MarkThere's a little bit of hash.

3:38:23Ryan Dank AfDo they know about rosin? Oh, yeah, man. This is... They're all over it. I'll show you. This is actually a friend of yours, so you know who it is, but I'll tell you later.

3:38:34BubblemanYeah, yeah.

3:38:35Ryan Dank AfBut this is some of the raws that they're making.

3:38:43BubblemanGo three pictures over.

3:38:44Etienne FontanYeah.

3:38:49Ryan Dank AfSo they know about it. They're squishing it up.

3:38:52Etienne FontanIt's really... That's some nice squishy.

3:38:54Ryan Dank AfIt's really sappy. Like, you wouldn't... There's actually... I don't know. I have the picture in here.

3:38:59Etienne FontanDoes it have much of a scent or no?

3:39:01Ryan Dank AfIt's kind of beta-caryophyllene, like Moroccan hashy smelling. It's not as floral as I'd like it to be, but I mean, it should be perfect for Blue River, you know, kind of additions.

3:39:16Ryan Dank AfBut it's really sappy. It's really like runny, runny, runny.

3:39:20Etienne FontanAre they making their own, what are they just heating plates and pressing or what are they using?

3:39:27Ryan Dank AfYeah, he's got some plate system that they brought in. He's kind of doing the same kind of thing as everybody else does. It would be too difficult to get in say like a Sasquatch or something like that, Sasquatch. It's not easy to get things into Morocco.

3:39:44BubblemanYou just need a professional man. We can get one in.

3:39:49Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, I mean, they'd be... I'm joking. They'd be happy to have it there. Apparently, there's people running, you know, extraction laboratories and everything up there, so...

3:39:58SpeakerDamn.

3:39:58Ryan Dank AfThose are some beautiful little hash balls. Yeah, so one of our compadres rolled them all up. He just started playing, and the next thing he knew, we couldn't tell which was which. Did you get to sample them? Oh, yeah, we tried them all. And? And it's hashish. I mean, for sure. We were dabbing the best stuff. Let me see if I can find the very best stuff that we smoked or that I thought we smoked.

3:40:29Ryan Dank AfIt was these. And these. I didn't get very many great pictures of them, but these are.

3:40:36BubblemanPowder.

3:40:37Ryan Dank AfYeah, it's turned into powder, but this is actually a former Legends Cup winning hash. Oh, yeah. So. Oh, yeah. It's just, I think about three or four years old at this point in time. Yeah.

3:40:53BubblemanI think I smoked that one there.

3:40:55Ryan Dank AfI've got cut in mouth just looking at it.

3:40:57BubblemanA couple of times, in fact.

3:41:00SpeakerGot a temple buff for you and Tane that you will enjoy that I made. I would love to try.

3:41:09SpeakerI got one.

3:41:11BubblemanThat looked really nice too right there, Chimera. That looks like some sugary shit.

3:41:15Etienne FontanYeah, that looks nice and gooey. It does, doesn't it?

3:41:18BubblemanLooks terp rich.

3:41:21Etienne FontanDid you bring a little terp rig or something? No.

3:41:24Ryan Dank AfNo, someone had a dab rig down there, and that's what we were hitting on for the most part.

3:41:33Etienne FontanSo, and then, you know, we... The tech is spreading around the world. There it is. There you've got dabs and rosin right there.

3:41:41Ryan Dank AfOh yeah, there's no stopping that.

3:41:45Ryan Dank AfInformation, you can see, I mean, up there, it was even straight out of Compton, right?

3:41:50Etienne FontanSo are there any dominant genetics that most people are growing around there? It's just whatever they get their hands on.

3:41:55Ryan Dank AfThese guys were growing Candy Kush hybrids, I think they were.

3:42:03Etienne FontanThat was an empty reservoir?

3:42:04Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, it was well down. These were interesting. These were... They were male plants, but they had a highly, highly feminine structure.

3:42:18SpeakerI think that is the coolest picture.

3:42:20Etienne FontanThat is a really nice male shot.

3:42:22SpeakerI think it's fucking an amazing male. I've grown thousands of males.

3:42:31Etienne FontanYou would know, Sam.

3:42:32BubblemanThat male might be a little confused with its sexuality.

3:42:37Ryan Dank AfYeah, and so we, I think Rob got a little bit of DNA from it, so we'll see if that makes it in one of the Philo's projects.

3:42:43Etienne FontanIs it a gender fluid TH?

3:42:47Ryan Dank AfWell, one of the old hemp breeders that used to develop these unisexual varieties, he used to say that there was, you know, it was kind of a spectrum, so you have male-like, male plants that are male-like, which is what we're most used to seeing, but then there's also male plants that are female-like. And the reverse is true. There's female plants that are female-like and female plants that are male-like.

3:43:09SpeakerYeah, by like, he means in structure. In other words, big, chunky is female. Long and spindly is male. See, I thought we were starting to get off into lesbian, gay stuff here for a minute there. No, but if you're an expert, please explain it.

3:43:31SpeakerI'm not an expert. I have found in recent times nearly all of the flowers I've tried from different shops and people. Invariably, somewhere along the line, I will find one small little yellow flower in there that will tell me the story that that plant has definitely got some male stuff wandering around in it. It's very common these days. Sometimes growers don't even know. I had a friend who Thank you for watching.

3:44:20SpeakerIntersex can also be genetically controlled like male and female, so it could be a third intersex, or it can also be controlled by environmental stresses. Yeah, we know... Too dry, too fucked up photo period, then it will express intersex.

3:44:41Ryan Dank AfYeah, and we know that we can manipulate the sex of plants by using hormone treatments that... That affect the ethylene pathway. So everybody knows about this STS that they use for blocking. You spray STS on a female plant and it'll produce male flowers. Okay? So if you do the reverse and you spray ethylene on a plant, A male plant, it'll produce female flowers. So ethylene is one of the five major plant hormones that exist in plants.

3:45:14Ryan Dank AfAnd these massive regulating hormones are subject to all sorts of triggers. So for example, drought stress or pH stress or photoperiod stress or whatever, nutrient stress even, they can cause changes in ethylene. So we know that if ethylene changes, you can alter the sex. It's really common. That's why it's so common to see in cannabis that like… But you can stabilize the sex you're saying? Well, there's some plants that are more resistant to… There's some plants that are more resistant to these environmentally induced triggers and they won't produce differently gendered flowers on the same plant under those same stresses.

3:45:57SpeakerEventually there will be markers and people will be able to test any given clone or seed variety with a marker system and they'll be able to see possibly gene linked ones or stress linked ones. Once these markers are actually designed and developed.

3:46:17Etienne FontanI was about to say identified, right? Yeah.

3:46:19SpeakerCorrect.

3:46:19Etienne FontanYeah. It's a long way to go. Pardon me, just one second. Is anybody actually working on actively identifying those?

3:46:26SpeakerI think several of the large companies are working on it, but I don't know how close they are.

3:46:31Ryan Dank AfYeah, McKernan's group and I think Mowgli's group also from Phylos and Medicinal Genomics respectively are... They're working on these gender tests and so part of that is looking at the Y chromosome or spots on the Y chromosome and seeing if they can figure it out. But some of the work that's been done in hemp shows that the monoecious hemp varieties, the hemp varieties that have plants of both genders on the same plant are actually genetically female plants.

3:47:06SpeakerSo, you know, stress plays a huge role in all this. What it really boils down to is that you can test a male and be pretty sure you're correct. If you test one and it pops up female, that doesn't mean it's not monoecious or intersexed.

3:47:23Ryan Dank AfYeah, it's a separate trait. So intersexuality Is a separate trait from gender. Gender is essentially male or female and male or female as defined not by if you have a female flower. It's designed by whether you have a Y chromosome or not. So to me, plants that have Y chromosomes are male. Plants that don't have Y chromosomes are female.

3:47:46SpeakerWell, you know, human beings have both sets of chromosomes. And I've noted over a period of time that we're subject to the same kind of stress stuff that the plants are. You put too many rats in a cage and you start getting all the aberrant or so-called aberrant behavior patterns out of the rats. And you thin them out and it goes away. And so you get enough rats in the cage and males start fucking males and females.

3:48:11SpeakerAnd that's what goes on. The aberration of stress causes all these aberrant behaviors across the board, not just in the plant.

3:48:21Etienne FontanI was just reading about this and the rat utopia that was created. These researchers tried to create what they thought was a rat utopia and what it devolved into. Very fascinating.

3:48:33SpeakerWe should get the rat lady back on again, Mark.

3:48:36BubblemanWe will absolutely, you know what, Natasha's awesome and I just spaced inviting her. She's always willing to come and share. I'll make sure she comes on next week and I'll tell you, it's been almost four hours of wonderful discussion. I myself am thankful for all of you to come and share your time as always. Dr. Bob was a real pleasure to have on. I loved his outlook and his perspective was appreciated.

3:49:02BubblemanAlways a pleasure to have Skunk Man Sam and Indra. As well as Todd McCormick and Tony Verzura. Super pleasure to have Chimera. I know you're super busy and you're not able to get in all the time, dude, so I do appreciate that. And of course, Etienne and Mark Scaldone and Johnny B and D420K and we saw MC West had a quick come in for a quick few questions today.

3:49:26BubblemanThank you everyone for watching Hash Church. All thousands of you that watch every week, we sure do this for you. And it's amazing that you give us this ability to have a platform where we can share and get this message out. So I do appreciate everyone for sharing in their time with Hash Church 106. I'm going to call it a day and thank you all. We will see you next week for Hash Church 107.

3:49:50Etienne FontanMuch love, everybody.

3:49:51BubblemanPeace, everybody.

3:49:53SpeakerThanks, all. Thanks, Mark.