The History and Evolution of Waterhash

0:01BubblemanWell, hello everybody out there in Hash Church world and welcome to episode 73. Now, the 73rd episode of Hash Church. How exciting is that? I'm very stoked. I'm just going to do my few things that I need to do. Of course, I'm going to mute the chat in YouTube as once the live stream starts. There it is. I'll mute that so we don't have to hear that.

0:25BubblemanAnd then I will go and I will send out our links. We got Rob Clark and Mr. Skunk Man Sam. Those are those links. And now I'm going to be sending out links to a unique group this morning. Not the same as our everyday group. Group, but definitely I think good people to come in and discuss this particular topic today. Of course, it is episode 73 and I've spoken about this for a while that I wanted to do an episode that was focused on, okay, to start over, anyone that knows the bubble bags will know that our original system was a three bag system.

1:04BubblemanAnd it was a 220 bag and a 73 bag. We eventually had a 25 bag added as well. And welcome Jeff Church, Bubble Ambassador from back in the day. I'm glad that he was able to come in because Jeff was one of the old school dudes from back in the day that used to buy the bags and really promote them down in California. I bet you he was one of the first people to actually promote the bags in California.

1:30BubblemanOn a wholesale level, he would buy 20, 30 sets of bags and then he would go and share them with his friends and produce absolute quality. And welcome Skunk Man Sam, who of course goes back a little further than me and Jeff in this whole game. But how are you guys doing today?

1:49Jeff ChurchDoing well, doing well. Good morning, Bubble Man. Good morning. Yes. I like it.

1:54SpeakerI like the choice of shirt that you wore today, Jeff.

1:57BubblemanHowdy, Bubble Man. Hey, welcome Skunk Man. Sam, how are you doing this morning, this afternoon, this evening? Fine. Except I can't see my picture on your thing. I can see it perfect. It's just pointed at your table. Your table is in perfect. You can see the magazines on your table.

2:21BubblemanSo listen, the reason I was talking about... There's a little square with it at the bottom along with the... You two guys. Oh, interesting. I can see you good, though. I mean, not you, but I can see your table. If you wanted to show anything, you'd be able to put it on that table, and anyone would be able to see it. I just wanted to make sure I'm not there.

2:41BubblemanYou're definitely not there. I can't even see your foot.

2:47BubblemanSo yes, what I wanted to discuss was the fact that today is the 73rd episode. Of course, the 73 micron bag was the bag that made this episode. You know, back in the day, you have to admit, Jeff, the 73 bag was the golden bag.

3:04Jeff Church73 bag is still the golden bag in my opinion, honestly.

3:08BubblemanIt is. Of course, it never changed. I mean, putting the 90 micron bag in there definitely changed it up a little bit, but what do you got going on there?

3:15Jeff ChurchGot a little bit of some bubble that a friend of mine made. This is... Whatever BBTW is with Albert Walker, one of my favorite stunky varieties.

3:29BubblemanDude, and you know it's funny that you would mention the Albert Walker because back in, I don't know, it had to be 2000 or 2001 when you started selling these bags and posting and stuff. It was always that Albert Walker and I remember another one called Hamster.

3:43Jeff ChurchHamster, yeah. Hamster, Albert Walker, and Sweetie were the three that were just amazing. And actually, the first one of these shirts that I got right here was the Sweetie. I made a batch of the bubble, and the 160 micron melted. The 190 micron melted. And it was just amazing. You know, probably like a four star on the 190 micron. Had some of the largest heads that I've ever seen on any material for a long time.

4:17Jeff ChurchBut the 70 on that was some of the first true six star that I ever had. So it won the, on overgrow.com, the best milk shot. It was like your first contest that I remember you ever doing on overgrow.com. So...

4:33BubblemanYeah, the best milk shot. Nice, dude. That's awesome. Yeah, you were definitely a big part of my history back in those early days. You know, for me, the first melty hash that I ever smoked wasn't water hash. It was literally, and I'm guessing that it was Sam's. It could have been Rob's. I didn't smoke it with Sam, but I smoked it with Rob. And I remember smoking it and him saying to me, If it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble.

5:01BubblemanAnd I was like, whoa, this shit is dripping down. It was a Ruhr pipe, and it was dripping down the stem of the Ruhr pipe. And I was like, I had never seen or heard of anything like that. That was 1995 at the first Cannabis Cup that I ever went to. Don't you think it's funny how now we take that for granted? Yes. I think it's absolutely hilarious because...

5:25BubblemanIt was such a unique thing back then that not only were we at this gathering, the Cannabis Cup, where these were supposed to be pretty much the most advanced people on the planet, the activists, the people that were the businessmen, the focus, the focal point on cannabis was happening at these events. And nobody knew about it. Like only you, you and your little group had this ridiculous quality.

5:51BubblemanHey, I want to welcome Adam in from the West Coast Concentrates. Of course, he is the hash maker, one of the hash makers that's making most of what I smoke these days. So, thank you for that.

6:03AdamThe circle was so small, Mark, was because I didn't sell it.

6:08BubblemanEither you were with me or that was it. Yeah. That's exactly true. You didn't sell it and you really didn't give it away either, so I'm guessing when I smoked it with Rob, it was yours.

6:20AdamIt was mine, but yeah, a few times I gave a little bit to my buddy.

6:25BubblemanNice. Good taking care of your bro, man. I hope we see him today, Baba Rob, blowing smoke signals towards the Vatican, wherever you are.

6:34AdamI already put Skype in him and he's not home yet, so he said maybe he'll get home in time to join us.

6:40BubblemanWell today I kind of had the hopes that Chris Bennett would show up nice and early. He was going to start off the show just, and Rob would have been great for this as well, with sort of a historical context of hashish. I wasn't worried about the most accurate or if he says something that someone else doesn't agree. I just wanted a little kind of historical context for the history of cannabis and the history of hashish and how they've sort of You know how they got to this really small group of people and then from there how it expanded out and now you know one of the reasons I invited Adam in today is because Adam has been making hash For maybe one year, and I'm telling you, it's as nice as anything that you could make.

7:26BubblemanLike from a hash maker standpoint, he's got a great group that grows great herb. They're able to, you know, pay attention. They had a good mentor through Phil, who was one of kind of my students that I taught how to make hash. So they have a very sort of close relationship to the knowledge. And I just wanted to show people that although there's guys like Jeff who've been doing this for years, You know, 15 to 17 years, and then of course there's our mentor, like Skunk Man Sam, who seemingly has been doing it forever.

7:55AdamI think the first hash I actually made was in Morocco, although I fooled around a little bit with weed in California before that. But in Morocco in 71, I went and stayed at the hash farm. Interesting. Interesting.

8:12AdamSomeone's just saying... I should have only been there for like five or six years, because before that they grew key flowers and that's it.

8:21BubblemanYeah, someone's just mentioning making hash is not brain surgery, rocket science. It's like, yes, it's true, but then, you know, why does everyone in the community not have melty hash? You know, if it's not rocket science, if it's not such a difficult thing, then what makes it so difficult that most people don't put it in your pipe when they say, hey, you want to have a session?

8:42Jeff ChurchIt's the material bubble, man. You know that. It's all about the grower. You know, us hash makers, we can only do the very best that we can to keep the contaminant out of the hashish, but if we don't have good starting material, we're not going to have that full milk.

8:58SpeakerYeah, you definitely took the words right out of my mouth there, Jeff.

9:02BubblemanGot to have the fire, but it's cool, you know, we have like the old school, we have the new school, hopefully Chris and Rob make it in and we can have a little discussion on the sort of history of hashish. I know Tony's coming in here soon and he's got a bunch of things to say.

9:17AdamI do agree how important starting material is. I mean, with some varieties, no matter what I do, I can't get nothing. I'll grind up a whole kilo of flowers and get hardly anything. Other ones, you know, you do it and you get 50 grams. So what's reality?

9:36BubblemanYeah, well, someone just said that, you know, it's called being patient. Let those resin heads form. Do you think, Sam, that it's the people not letting their resin heads form more so than people growing strains that will absolutely never produce full melt?

9:53AdamI'm not so sure because sometimes I even think that young, slightly immature resin heads might have more terpenes. But then I've read research which says that The cannabinoids are put on at about nine-tenths through flowering, pretty much, and the terpenes are actually accumulated a bit later. So I'm not sure I really know for sure, but I know Rob likes it a little bit early, the resin heads, because they're more iry in his mind, because they have more terpenes, and the terpenes that they have, I think they have more of the up monoterpenes that are more volatiles later flowering.

10:38AdamI don't know.

10:41BubblemanVery interesting thoughts. Anyway, just reading in the chat room, trying to keep everyone on point with the conversation. I'm going to be inviting more people in today. Yes, I just wanted to start it off with a small core group of hash makers so we can sort of, you know, talk a little bit about the history. I guess if Chris Bennett's not going to be here right away to talk about the actual history of You know, I can talk about my history with Waterhash and sort of how it came to be.

11:09BubblemanIs Cannoli coming or Mila? Mila was invited. Nicotine said he was going to be coming. Frenchie said he would come at 10.30 in about an hour with Todd McCormick. Cool. Yeah, I think we'll have a nice conversation. I mean, you know, I also have things that I wanted to say on behalf of Reinhard Delp. Who's a very quiet member of our community. He's not active. He came to the Cannabis Cup in 1997 and showed his machine on water extraction.

11:39BubblemanWe have, of course, you know, that was really, would you say that was the first time, Sam, that you had seen the ice being used with the water? Because it seems like Reinhardt's whole thing that was different from the Sadu Sam extraction process as well as the Neville extraction.

11:57AdamExcept Rob and I, I don't remember if we actually put ice in, I wouldn't be surprised. But we found that really, really cold water was superior, and we knew that.

12:08BubblemanYeah, so that's, you know, Reinhardt, of course, showed up at the Cannabis Cup in 1997. For those of you that don't know, he invented the machine called the ice-cold extractor. And although, you know, Sam knew about water extraction and Neville knew about water extraction, I would say that you were not a fan of water extraction when I met you.

12:26AdamNo, no, absolutely not, because I considered it inferior to... Dry sifted, which had superior characteristics. I mean, usually if you can get from the same cologne resin dry sifted water hash, most people prefer the dry sift. Maybe not always, but I mean, I know you do usually.

12:49BubblemanYeah, I mean, the dry sift is incredible. For me it was, and here's a neat sort of concept that, you know, Bubble hash was for everybody. Yes, bubble hash changed the game in the sense that Not everyone could do what Sam was doing with his dry sift. In fact, very few people could. In fact, almost nobody could, literally. And so people that thought they could, they just weren't on an even playing field.

13:13BubblemanSam was playing chess, and they were playing checkers. Literally, that was the difference between the two qualities of what was going on. So with Waterhash, you had this incredible opening of suddenly now, thanks to water and ice... People were able to do this themselves and be on an even playing field. And I truly believe that that did not happen until 1997 when Reinhard Delp showed up at the Cannabis Cup with his ice-cold extractor machine.

13:45BubblemanAnd he showed that machine to a variety of people. I actually talked to Donnie Wershafter today and he said he was at that Cannabis Cup, I think at Renard's place. I know that he did another... What's that? I said, I was there too. And were you also at Bill's apartment for that particular showing? I don't think I was at that demonstration, but I could have been. Yeah, I know Rob was at that one.

14:09BubblemanSo, I mean, this is definitely historical context. Reinhardt showed this machine. He worked out, I would rather hear it from Mila, but I can only tell you his words from mine. He didn't want to be on church today, but he accepted that I was able to say some words on his behalf. His words are that he had signed a contract and made a deal with Mila, And I guess that deal never went anywhere and Isolator Bags were created and so I wanted to share the story that I heard.

14:37BubblemanMila will have her chance to come in and share her story. I want to welcome Mr. Jibbs to the room. Fucking loving the fucking stash, bro.

14:46MrYeah, I had yet to shave my beard in about like seven years, so... I just said screw it and randomly did that last night.

14:53BubblemanAwesome, dude. Welcome. Glad you're here, Johnny B. Welcome, Johnny B. I wanted to share this story real quick. So from Reinhardt's perspective, he showed this machine. We know the story from Eldon. Eldon told me this story to my face. Of course, you know Eldon, Skunkman Sam. I met him in 1965. Exactly. You've known him longer than any of us. Good question. I met him through Mark Rose, my manufacturer, and of course, he told me his story of, he said, yeah, I was at Mila's, and I saw the machine that Reinhardt had brought over, and after they ran it, I said to them, I said, two nylon bags with screen bottoms and a five-gallon bucket, and you've got the same idea.

15:36AdamSo I would love to have more... The reason that Reinhardt's never really, really took off was because it was too expensive, to be speaking.

15:44BubblemanWell, I don't know. I think that the fact that the bags got created based on the machine... Was also a big part of why his machine never got taken off. And for me, keep in mind, I came in later, I copied those bags, I made them a better product, I expanded the screen sizes, but I still copied those bags. And when I found out from my court case, you know, because I had known you guys, and I had known that you guys had done the information prior to Reinhardt, so I thought, well, fuck that.

16:13BubblemanThis guy doesn't deserve to own this. And then I realized... As I learned the story, it was like, well, you know, they knew about it, but they weren't doing anything with it, and it was no coincidence.

16:24AdamActually, Rob did make an Aqua Rob water hash machine, but we never did anything with it other than experiment. Right, and that was in what, like around 98 or something?

16:38BubblemanIt was several years before Reinhardt showed up. Right, so what I'm saying is no one can deny or take away from the fact that that Reinhardt machine, not Rob's machine and not the Sadhu Sam extraction, was what the bags were based on. That's what the bags were based on. That is a fact.

16:57AdamAs far as I know, that's true. What's that? I said, as far as I know, that is true.

17:03BubblemanExactly. So, from my perspective, I decided that Reinhardt's intellectual property deserved to be respected and acknowledged, and that's why I worked out my deal with Reinhardt.

17:20BubblemanI couldn't rightfully go through saying that this guy had no place in the whole position when clearly he had a major place in the position. His machines created isolator bags, isolator bags created bubble bags, bubble bags created every other copycat bag on the marketplace. And there you have it. The bags came from that machine and I just wanted on this show to give Reinhardt his due diligence.

17:46BubblemanHe was a very important factor in all of this and unfortunately there's literally a handful of people who have respected his position in all of this and the fact is that he actually patented his process before he shared it and showed it, which is for any of you that know how patents work, It's how you're supposed to do it. So I appreciate, obviously, Neville, The Unknown American, Skunkman Sam, Robert Clark.

18:15BubblemanMila, Reinhard Depp. I think his name was Mike, but I'm not 100%.

18:21AdamThe unknown American who told Neville. Yes, I think his name was Mike. That's what I kind of remember.

18:27BubblemanSo for those of you that don't know the story, this is coming from Sam and Rob, and when they showed me the 1988 High Times article advertisement that was Sadhu Sam's water extraction article, There was no information given in the ad, but you could order for the price of 10 US dollars and you would get the simple instructions of how to use the jar and water method to isolate and separate your contaminant from your glandular trichome heads.

18:56BubblemanAnd this was really sort of the first published information that came from that information that the unknown American Told Neville, which is glandular trichomes are dense and still affected by gravity and water, which created the Sadhu Sam's water extraction process. From there, we have a very long gap from 80... I could honestly say when Neville told me this, I laughed. Because you don't put water on weed.

19:25BubblemanHey, listen, I'm telling you, the first time I brought it to Jamaica in 2001 and...

19:32BubblemanPoured water over the herb. I swear to God, they went like this.

19:39BubblemanLike just shocked. Absolutely just shocked. So anyway, yeah.

19:43AdamAs soon as I saw the resin settled in the glass of water, I said, I get it. Then I had to figure out how to dry the goddamn resin.

19:52BubblemanRight, yes, and this is a major part that we're still learning today because we know that drying resin that has been soaked in water is a two-part system. We want to dry the water that is on the outside of that wax membrane just kind of holding tough, like if you were to dip your hand in water you would have droplets on you, but then of course there is the moisture content of the gland head.

20:14BubblemanThat we also know from history, countries that are drying their plant matter before they make hash, they're not doing that because they feel like it, they're doing that because it's an essential concept for properly dry sifting plants. Would you not agree, Sam?

20:32AdamYes, because... If it's not done that way, you get deformation of the resin. It doesn't sit properly. It has to be dried properly, and also they really ideally do it in the middle of the coldest part of winter when it's hard and the resin won't squeeze. I think also they dry it in the sun on the roof like that to reduce terpene content. Because terpenes are hydroscopic and they absorb water from the atmosphere and can make ash go off.

21:08BubblemanYes. Well, I mean, between Amsterdam and definitely the Emerald Triangle, because that's where Reinhardt is from and that's where he was developing his ice-cold water process. It's a big deal, throwing in the ice. A lot of people said, well, of course, that's how you make the material cold, the water. Can you take them away, sweetie? Little guy's banging on the door. He wants to come and be a part of episode 73.

21:34BubblemanHe's really upset that he doesn't get to be a part of this. I wanted to welcome Johnny B to the room. We got Johnny B, of course, is a local hash maker that I've been spending a lot of time with over the last few years, helping elevate his hash making skills.

21:51AdamHowdy, Johnny B.

21:52SpeakerHow you doing? Dude, you didn't elevate me. You showed me how to... Harvest, my, my, my gland heads, you showed me, I thought I had this awesome, awesome dry sift, and you showed me something else, you showed me how to clean it, you showed me what, what skunk man sound like, when I brought my, my bubble to you, you were like the fire, I learned that because of you guys, like.

22:15SpeakerYou were hard on me, Mark. You were very hard on me. And I took it to heart and I pushed it and you know what? You showed me something and now I'm able to show a lot of other people too.

22:24BubblemanDude, you came out a diamond. You came out a diamond out of the other end from all the pressure. Everyone's like, Johnny has the fire.

22:32AdamOnce people smoke 90 or 99% resin heads of a good variety that they like, there is no going back. They see the light.

22:43SpeakerYeah, I'm kind of done. That's all I smoke now. That's all I look for. The strains, the ones you've told me to hang on to, new ones I'm looking for, and it really comes down to strains. I find the same thing. It's hard to find those ones that melt, give you that epic full melt, and a lot of people do get frustrated, but it's a lot of time, and everybody here knows that.

23:05SpeakerAnd a combination of good yield.

23:11BubblemanYes.

23:14BubblemanAnyway, yeah, it's nice to have all these hash makers together regardless. I definitely want to hear from Jibbs and talking about the melts and how that all came to be. I want to hear a little bit from Jeff Church and his sort of You know, the history of which started him, we all started at different times, but it doesn't matter how long you've been involved or it matters what you're doing with what you've learned.

23:38BubblemanAnd it used to take a lot longer to get up to the point where, and you know, I used to say this a long time ago to people that, listen, this isn't rocket science or brain surgery or rocket surgery. This isn't rocket surgery. But at the same time, there are variables that you need to pay attention to and be aware of. And... I think having the great material is a huge start because if you're working and doing everything right, but you don't have the right material, it's really hard to polish a turd and make it look like something that it's not.

24:14SpeakerVery true.

24:15BubblemanKind of like skiing uphill from the bottom of the hill. Pretty much just like that, exactly. Maybe Gibbs wants to take the floor and tell us a little bit about what got him into hash making and his sort of, just sort of, I like to hear about everyone's story and I wanted to start with Gibbs and the melts. I invited Ken as well, hopefully he makes it.

24:39MrAlright, let me think. Gosh, I think I've been making hash in total now probably... I want to say six to seven years. I started off as a patient right before I had to have a complete protein repair. Was smoking a lot of cannabis at that time in regards to not trying to be on Percocets and other painkillers. BHO was starting to come around at that point in time.

25:13MrThere really wasn't a lot of water hash and dry sift available. That was honestly something I got made known to mainly by YouTube shows like the CCC 420 that are coming back around nowadays. Actually seeing them feature full melt from out here in Northern California that actually like melted and was dabble and actually showed me a future and a little bit of a The process of making high-grade water extraction.

25:52MrAnd it made oil for a good chunk in time and then I ended up having another surgery in 2008 after getting hit by a car and had to get the discs in my neck repaired. And at that point in time I'd gotten, just gotten offered a job in the industry after realizing that this was just pretty much What I wanted to do and that cannabis was able to help me.

26:20MrAnd just pretty much just been going from there.

26:24MrOriginally linked up with Tony after my neck surgery.

26:27SpeakerTony V and the River Rock crew?

26:33MrYeah.

26:36BubblemanBeautiful. Well, that's definitely where I first saw you guys making the fire and met you guys at the Cups and at the Legends of Hash... Thank you so much.

27:09BubblemanIt's really not that easy to just be able to do. You want to be able to do it, but it's a bit of a journey, no doubt, to hooking up with the right people. And I think both with you guys at Trichome Heavy Extracts, the melts, and with the West Coast Concentrates, one of the things that I've seen both of you guys do is Definitely able to hook up with the right people, the people that are able to produce, hand over beautiful product, you know, greenhouse grown or field grown or indoor grown.

27:38BubblemanAnd it's hard to move forward without that. I mean, I can attest back in the day when we started this in 1999. Now I was a year after Mila, which was 1998 with the isolator bags, which was a year after the ice cold extractor, which was 1997. Which was 11 years after Sadhu Sam's water extraction. So you can see that these things existed. We always get into these sort of dynamic arguments with, oh, who squeezed rosin first?

28:09BubblemanWho did this? I just want everyone to acknowledge their place and the importance of each one of those places. They were all incredibly important to me. There's no doubt about that. Mila may not have invented water extraction, but for me, It was the first place that I saw it with those bags, the isolator bags. It wasn't until I learned later that there was a machine that the isolator bags was designed from.

28:33BubblemanAnd I also used that machine some years later as well when he sent a unit up to Cannabis Culture for them to test for the magazine I got to check it out. So definitely a neat little history of everything that's happened here in the last almost 20 years with... With producing Beautiful Waterhouse. How are you doing there, Ken? I muted you, but just because you had a little bit of mic disruption going when Jibs was talking.

29:04SpeakerHow we doing, buddy? How are you guys?

29:06BubblemanVery good. Love the shirt. I have one just like it.

29:10SpeakerYeah, I love these things, man. They're my favorite.

29:14BubblemanI'm going to hit a little bit of Phil's and the West Coast Concentrate sweatband, full spec. Mmm, Parmesan cheese, let me tell you. I don't think we've smoked much on this episode. Is that true? Oh, you'll see my full spectrum sweatband and you'll raise me.

29:37BubblemanOh, there we go. Hey, did D420K not get invited or what's going on here?

29:48BubblemanLet me just see what I can do here real quick. It was a unique day. I am going to be inviting in the other panelists at one point in time. I just really wanted to start with a bunch of hashmakers and with some hashmaker stories. I know Nick is going to be coming in soon, and I know that hopefully Mila will make her way in and she can kind of tell her story.

30:10BubblemanAnd everyone can tell their story. That's all I want to do. There's, what, 900 people in the chat right now? 933 people watching online.

30:21BubblemanLet's do a bong rip. I'm turning on the denail right now.

30:24SpeakerIf you do a bong rip, I wanted to make a mention after listening to Jim's story. I did make a little bit of hash in the mid-2000s, probably 2004, I remember a little bit about it. Then I got hurt, and then that was in 2005. And in about 2006, a friend gave me a set of bubble bags and said, hey, this might work for you. And I remember making it and having it drying and I couldn't make it melt.

30:46SpeakerAnd I just kind of lost track of it for a few years. And I tried again in about 2010 and I was getting some melty from separations with another friend that I met because it was the strains and I was using my MediCush that I just recently had grown. And then I came across you, Mark, and we started talking and... One thing led to another and you really showed me.

31:07SpeakerSo it was the years that I spent working and what I really learned was the hash is what helped me so much with my pain. It was the extractions that I really went into that were just so behind me because between, I would say after my accident in 2005 to 2009, little bits of hash I was smoking, none of it melted so I was eating a lot of it.

31:27SpeakerSo everything went into edibles and stuff like that because of the enjoyability. I remember getting the hash joints. So it's always been a big part of my recovery was the extractions and stuff like that, like U-Jibs, and where that's why it's part of my life. That's all I ever want to find is that fire is because it works. And that's the best way of saying it. I mean, those bags, they work.

31:53SpeakerYou just got to find out what strains are going to work for you, and everybody can get fired. It just takes time.

32:00AdamJohn, the first two that you used, you had the best physical use.

32:07SpeakerProbably when I was nine years old when I really truly needed it because everybody else was getting on kind of e-pills maybe. What really became medical for me, Sam, is after my fall in 2005, I walked into the British Columbia Compassion Club Society and I tried some brownies and some of their I remember getting hash. It's all in documents because I saved all the receipts and some of the first buys were the hash or the brownies and were the maxi, a poachy, wow, were the strains that were working so well for me.

32:38SpeakerSo it was, It's what led me to finding those extractions and then as I further got along using the BHO products that were readily available because I was using butane in 2005, 2006. That's kind of what we had access to.

32:55AdamDid you know that cannabis was medical before that?

33:01SpeakerI think now at the age of 44, I realize that as I smoked cannabis through my whole life, it was medical, but it really became medical to me in 2005 once I had sustained all my injuries. And previously, in previous years when I was hurt too, I was using cannabis to get off all the opiates and that was in 2019. I got some history. I hit a dump truck head-on in 1991 and broke my back and suffered severe injuries and was hooked on opiates from there until 1995 and then off of all the opiates with cannabis until 2004 until I have

33:42SpeakerSo cannabis always played a huge part in getting it off of my opiates. It's a big part of my history of how cannabis has helped me through all of the hard times in my life. Cannabis has always been there for me. Sixteen, twenty-one, thirty-five, it's always been a big part of being able to help me get through and not being the only pharmaceutical drug. The more and more I look at it today.

34:06AdamI can still remember the first time I used medical cannabis. It was 1971. It was in Morocco. I had actually gone there because a friend of mine told me that you could buy kilos of hash for $25, $30. So I had to go check this out. They were right. What I found out was when I got really bad vomiting and projectile shits, I had dysentery the worst.

34:36AdamAnd I was sitting on one of those squat toilets, and when I would smoke a bowl, I realized most of the cramps and the diarrhea and the vomiting were greatly, greatly reduced. And I went, wow, this really is medical.

34:57AdamAnd then I went to India, and I read about it as an Ayurvedic medicine, and I realized that there was a huge, long tradition of cannabis being used for medicine, which I didn't really realize in 1971 so much.

35:12BubblemanWelcome, Brett, hitting the little mini, another member of the West Coast Concentrates. Got a couple of the melts in here. Got a couple of West Coast Concentrate guys in the house. What's up, J-Man?

35:30SpeakerI think I'm going to dab some of your guys' 73 purple candy that was dropped off by a friend, Brian Cookie.

35:36BubblemanOh yeah, why is it the 73 bag? When I first got these bags made, I had figured out the sizes that were being used for extracting and catching were 250. To 210 micron and a 70 or a 65 micron. The reason I chose 73 is because it's the year that I was born in. So for those of you that didn't know, why is it the 73? It's because I was born in 1973.

36:10BubblemanAnd I only did one other little thing like that in the history of my company, which was probably in around 2001 when my first daughter was born, my first child. I made the 25 micron bag pink for I think the whole year. So not a lot of people knew that or even, you know, some of you may remember those pink bags. But that was for the birth of my daughter, Trinity, and I just thought that was kind of a cool little thing to do without really telling too many people about it, but respect to the family.

36:44AdamAnd was the 73 the thread count or the micron hole size?

36:49BubblemanIt's the micron hole size, and then there's, of course, there's a thread count and then there's a thread diameter, which is something that a lot of hash makers are not really familiar with in the sense that It's the thickness, okay? You see my finger? That's the diameter of the thickness of the thread. You know if someone's got a really kind of meaty finger compared to a real thin finger, if they go like this, the holes between their fingers will be much smaller.

37:19BubblemanFor them, because they've got such a large diameter of a finger, so screen works the same way. And if you get too thick of a screen, you end up with a greater percentage of screen area versus whole area. And this is a very important factor when figuring out your screens for your bags. And it's why we buy a very particular screen out of Switzerland or Holland, two high-end screen companies.

37:46BubblemanWe don't purchase this stuff in Asia. And I think a lot of people are sort of missing the boat in the sense that if you try to purchase a cheaper version of this screen, you may very well end up with too thick of a diameter on your thread, and this will affect the end result of your hash. So there's a little kick down. Hey there, Mr. T Verzura, how are you doing today?

38:13BubblemanNope, muted. Wow, we can't hear Tony for the first time.

38:16SpeakerYou can't hear me? I, uh, sorry about that. I was, um, trying to set up this laptop with the TV so I could see everyone bigger. And, uh, it went to the side.

38:29BubblemanOh, yeah. Yeah, dude, I know exactly what that does.

38:34SpeakerYou're just like, shit. You happened to call me right when it was like it moved to the side and I'm like, damn it.

38:42AdamThat's exactly what happened to me, Tony, and I thought my picture wasn't on the screen. It was. It was just over to the side.

38:51BubblemanThat is what happens. Oh, now he's taken up two spots.

38:53Speaker73. Episode 73, huh?

38:59BubblemanYeah, episode 73, we've got the melts in the house, we've got the West Coast concentrates in the house, we've got Jeff Churches in the house because truly I can't think of an earlier bubble ambassador than Jeff. And I met Jeff through Marble Slinger and Slinger was like, oh yeah, my buddy's really into this and it was just like, all of a sudden he just started ordering, you know.

39:20BubblemanHe was one of the first people to probably order like 10 or 20 sets of bags and I even remember being like, Maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, Jeff, but was it like at the time where it was like, oh yeah, I'm like borrowing my mom's credit card for a little bit of it and put some on this and just trying to get these bags purchased. You were a true bubble ambassador down in California.

39:42BubblemanOne of the reasons, guaranteed, Bizarre Brothers and many others got turned on.

39:47Jeff ChurchYeah, you know, I was always too scared to use a credit card to order from your company, so it was always, you know, putting people together and getting their money and putting a money order together and sending that international money order up to you to get the bag sent over, you know, so. But yeah, you know, I can tell my story here if it seems like a good time.

40:11Jeff ChurchYeah. But yeah, you know, my first set of bags that I got was from Marvel Slinger. You know, he had, you know, gone up to Canada, visited with you, and came back, and he had these bags. You know, I was a glass blower back then, that was my main thing. I still blow glass occasionally, but back then it was, you know, really... And so, you know,

40:52Jeff ChurchAaron actually introduced us. I went up to Canada with him on a trip once and came up to you at your house there. Then after that, it was kind of like, I'm just going to get all my friends together and start selling these bags. I'd get them for wholesale and sell them out to people. Then, you know, ended up going on down to California and before people really knew what to do with their trim other than just light it on fire.

41:22Jeff ChurchLiterally, that was like, they're like, I don't want all this weight on my property. I have nothing to do with this stuff. It's not worth me like cooking a whole bunch of brownies with. Another kind of prohibition, hey? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a crazy time. So, you know, I mean, the first time that I ever made Bubble myself, other than watching Aaron make Bubble with these same bags that he then sold me his used set, it was the old, old, old set where...

41:53Jeff ChurchThe 25 bag was this long, long udder with like a little strip up the side of 25 and then maybe like a half dollar size 25 screen for the round part of the box.

42:07BubblemanYes, that was my manufacturer's brilliant idea. Mark was just convinced that was a good idea and I was like, dude, you can't just make the bag look different. Like I didn't order that.

42:21Jeff ChurchThat was a weird set for sure, and I definitely, you know, quite soon got a fresh set and moved on, gave those to somebody else, I don't know, passed them along. We had our bumps. But yeah, you know, the first time I made Hash, and this relates to back what I was saying earlier, it's all about material. I scored what I thought was, you know, some great trim, you know, hey, this is going to make Hash, and And I made some pretty bad hash the very first time.

42:53Jeff ChurchSpace from the Bizarre Brothers was actually there, I believe, the very first time that I made bubble hash myself. He was there with me, making it with me. So we've both been making bubble hash since probably 2001, I think, is the date that we all started. But yeah, I mean, we went down and did the bubble...

43:21Jeff ChurchWe're just trying to figure out, we had a whole bunch of sets and we're like, hey, you know, anybody got some trim? And people were just like, man, I guess I've got something and it was always something that had just been cut down because people would just burn the stuff. They'd get a bag full and they'd burn it because it was useless.

43:42BubblemanIt was the same up here, bro. They were putting it in landfills. I felt like... When I started doing Waterhash, and I finally, and it was, you know, how it happened for me was, there was a guy in town, it was actually my partner, John, in the hemp thing that we were doing in Manitoba, who, we all used to go to Amsterdam together, 95, 96, I skipped 97, 98, I believe I might have been there, but I definitely didn't see the isolator bags.

44:11BubblemanHe saw them and bought them. We used them, but they weren't, they, it was a two bag system and it just didn't do anything. It produced this sort of, like probably what Sam produced the first time. It was just uninspirational. There was nothing that I wanted to do with that. And so it wasn't until back in Canada, talking to Breeder Steve, and he's like, oh, I've got some really nice shish keberry.

44:32BubblemanIt's from the yellow line. It's beautiful. For those of you that know the shish keberry, not lime, but pheno, whatever. There were two Afghanis used, uh, uh. A red and a yellow or whatever. And the yellow was the one I preferred. Beautiful resin. And I said, oh, well, maybe we could try it in these bags. So I got a set of the bags, borrowed from a friend, and we ran it through the two-bag kit.

44:53BubblemanAnd it produced fire. Like, it produced melty, ridiculous resin. We were actually pretty shocked. And that was really the first time I saw that there was a value in these bags. And that's why when I got busted in 98... With, you know, almost 20 pounds of weed in my car and many thousands of dollars, it was a compassion club run I was doing. That ended up sort of putting me in a situation where I was unable to do what I was doing prior to doing bubble bags, which was really just, you know, brokering cannabis.

45:25BubblemanAnd so when I left that behind, I needed to figure something else out to do, and it was really these bags that I was thinking about. And I had Zero intentions of making my own bags. I wanted to go to Amsterdam, make a deal with Mila, and just gain control of Canada or maybe a couple other countries to be able to sell these bags. At the time I think I wanted to buy like a thousand kits to start.

45:52BubblemanSo I probably sounded like someone that was talking shit. This was 1998 in Amsterdam. And I went, and I don't know if Mila will remember the story the same way. It would be interesting to hear her version because she's going to come in later and I'll ask her. I definitely won't be surprised to hear that our versions don't add up the same, but it'll be interesting nonetheless.

46:12BubblemanSo I went in and I said, hey, I want to sell these bags and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'll take a thousand kits. And she was like, a thousand kits? I remember being called a silly American. And I was kind of like, damn, that was harsh. And so I ended up leaving and kind of going back home and being like, fuck, we're not going to be the bag distributors for these bags.

46:31BubblemanAnd my wife was just like, well, why don't you just make your own? I was like, what do you mean make your own? And she's like, I don't know, just like, well, we can make them. Like, you do the computer and pictures and I'll just, I'll sew them up. And so that was how Bubble Bags really got created with my very, very quiet, shy wife who never speaks up saying, hey, why don't we do this?

46:51BubblemanIt was so out of character for her. I really want all of you to realize that the Bubble Bags probably would have never been a company had it not been for her and her For whatever reason, listening to that quiet voice in the back of her head, and I think it was a very important move on her part, because, you know, we ended up creating something, I don't pretend to think that we were the most important part in the ladder, but I felt like we were an important step, as all of the people before and after are important steps, and that's why I invite the next steps in the ladder, the next generation of hash makers into the room, the melts, The West Coast concentrates because I happily passed the torch to these younger generation of hash makers that are going to take things and move them out of the box that we've had them in.

47:38BubblemanAnd it's like we shouldn't be insecure or afraid to work together with one another to move this into a more open. We live in a community of very like sort of we're all afraid and we're like protecting each other from one another. But in the root of what all this is, we all love hash. And when we're all sitting together and we're smoking hash and we're enjoying hash and we're reaping the benefits, the rewards of all the work that each of us have done, there's no more beautiful thing, in my opinion, in all of this community.

48:13BubblemanAnd that's what we love about Cannabis Cups and that's what we love about these gatherings. Not to make people envious or show off, but to be inspired and to spend our time with like-minded individuals that absolutely love Love, jaw herbs, and jaw resins.

48:32SpeakerYeah, and for somebody like myself anyways, who's pretty new to the whole hash game, it's crazy to even be on a panel with you.

48:40BubblemanWhat's going on here?

48:52BubblemanAwesome. Just checking out the chat.

48:56SpeakerIt was awesome, Mark.

48:57BubblemanBong Rep. Bong Rep? Yeah, Bong Rep! Hey, there's the boys. I want to welcome, or I don't even know who Jibs is with. I actually thought for a second it was the Bizarre Brothers, but hey, what's going on, dude? Welcome to Hash Church.

49:13SpeakerThank you very much. How's it going, guys?

49:15BubblemanIt's going really good, man. You know, I was a little worried today doing this episode because there's There's all sorts of weird little invisible beefs in this world of the cannabis community, and I wasn't sure that, I still don't know how it'll go off with Mila and myself, even though I don't dislike Mila, and I'm sure in her heart she doesn't really dislike me. We're all a part of this very small community, and we're all moving things forward in a way that, I don't know, I think we're going to look back in many, many years from now and we'll realize what a special thing that we had here.

49:48SpeakerYeah, it is totally an experience.

49:52BubblemanEcho, Echo.

49:53AdamActually, Mark, it'll be a lot easier in 10 or 20 years because by then the banks and the lawyers will own all of cannabis anyway. There won't be anything left to fight over.

50:05BubblemanFuck. That's a scary thought for sure.

50:08AdamMost of the fights are over profits.

50:12BubblemanRight. This is true. This is true. It's an interesting situation and I guess, you know, When you have something like cannabis that is such a value to mankind, this incredible companion plant, and I really wish Chris Bennett was here to share more of his perspective with us, but you see how before money would even exist, that this plant would have value, that it would have trade value, that it would have, you know, oh yeah, that's pretty hilarious, Tony.

50:47BubblemanOh my God, dude, you're ridiculous. Is that the rosin? Is there terps in there?

50:58BubblemanWhy is he muted? Here, I'll unmute you. Talk now.

51:02SpeakerYeah, this is the raw rosin. Sorry, I was showing OG Bear. I was like, yeah, I got bored yesterday and decided to make a... Terp Distillate, Raw, Rosin. And he was like, how? How? How?

51:18BubblemanTony is also a great person to have in the room today because he's like the hash scientist. He's just like, if I can take it apart and put it back together, there is all sorts of learning to be done in those experiences. Not to mention, and I'm sure he would admit, that generally when you make a mistake, you have a revelation.

51:39SpeakerYes. Look at that. Look at the texture.

51:44BubblemanYeah. It doesn't drip back down.

51:46SpeakerNo. All right.

51:49BubblemanWell, that's proper. Johnny B's got some, too. What do you got, Johnny B?

52:00SpeakerSo this actually, guys, is some CBD distillate, and it's actually made from hemp, and it's very unique.

52:10BubblemanThe hemp distillate. If you hold it straight and further away, it'll be fine. But if you continue, right, yeah, like a little closer. Right there is perfect, actually. You can see the quality. But it's when you turn it or move it that it gets, now, perfect. There you go. Excellent.

52:29BubblemanAnd there's Tony's. Perfect. Thank you, guys. I feel like I should be holding up some clear liquid to, I don't know what I've got here.

52:42SpeakerYou got it clear. No, this is very unique. I was trying it out, and it's got that CBD taste. You know what I'm talking about, Tony? It's got that taste.

52:53BubblemanTony, I've never seen anyone else with that carb cap.

53:00BubblemanTing. That's so awesome. I heard it was a, what do they call it, a prototype. Hey, Brett, you haven't even said hi yet, representing for the West Coast. What's going on? Oh, he's frozen up. He's not even in here. All right. Well, I'm going to load a bowl if anyone has anything interesting they want to talk about in regards to hash, their experiences with hash.

53:23SpeakerI guess I can tell kind of our story anyways from I guess both our perspectives. If Brett's frozen there, we pretty much came up at the same time. We used to work at a head shop together, and we Basically we just, you know, we're always watching videos and we actually started watching videos from the CCC 420 and from there on the little sidebar of YouTube is where we actually found your videos, Mark.

53:48SpeakerSo both you guys definitely inspired us to try and make stuff that we couldn't buy here but we were smoking, you know, quite a bit of BHO at the time and we were just like, you know, why don't we try something that wasn't made, you know, with petrochemicals and, you know, who knows, maybe it'll be better. So we bought a set of bags, a little five-gallon set.

54:08SpeakerWe started to play. The first time we made hash, it was actually pretty melty, and it looked really cool, and it was all blonde. And then we were like, hey, why don't we stir it with something other than our hand? That was a long process of just stirring and stirring. So we went and got a little cake mixer. Obviously, you take the Thank you for watching.

54:49SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

55:08SpeakerYou know, about hash making or, you know, anything really cannabis related without being, you know, someone in the know or knowing someone that's in the know. So, you know, it's just great to be a part of all this and, you know, definitely we're stoked.

55:24BubblemanYeah, I'm stoked to have met you guys. You guys are the young Padawan learners that are That are exceptional hash makers, you know, you guys take it serious and you have that real sort of connoisseur attitude that helps when you want to make, it's not about being a snob, but it's definitely about being a little bit OCD and aware of tiny little things that can build up and affect the end outcome of the variables and the quality of your hash, so.

55:52BubblemanI'm stoked that I linked with you guys.

55:54SpeakerHey man, we're stoked that you even considered the link up for us at all. And always a big shout to the team as well because without them, as you guys know, without proper material you cannot make proper hash. And without a proper team behind you to help with all the little things and the... You know, the Knicks in the road and just, you know, all the things that can, you know, go along with this business.

56:14SpeakerYou know, we're definitely blessed to be able to call our team our team. And there's definitely no I in team. So, you know, without each other, we don't succeed.

56:25BubblemanBeautiful. Well put. Oh, go ahead, Brett. Can you hear me now?

56:30SpeakerA little bit, yeah. What's going on? How you doing? Good, good, man. Just trying to get this hotel Wi-Fi going. It's been a little bit of a mess here, but it's just kicking me on and off, but I'm trying.

56:41BubblemanGood, good stuff. Welcome, Nicky T. We got your double house. Double time. Let me get rid of that one. Boom. How you doing, Nick?

56:50NickyDoing well, man. Thanks for having me.

56:52BubblemanAppreciate it. Yeah, dude. We're having a nice little fun sort of... Just a celebration of our beautiful hash community. You know, we're all sort of compartmentalized, and we get together every once in a while, but it's nice to remember that this is our community, that all of us are a part of this, and why wouldn't we gather and celebrate the thing that we love?

57:16NickyDefinitely, definitely, man. The passion.

57:19BubblemanExactly, yes, the passion for the hashing.

57:23SpeakerYes, and you do have some fire there. You want to say good morning and peace to that? Respect to some of that killer hash you're making out there. Definitely.

57:34BubblemanJohnny B, a hash connoisseur.

57:36SpeakerI love the hash and I follow you. I love the hash guys, Tony, all you guys. You guys are all like, you guys all inspire me too to get to where I've gone and what I've been doing too. So, yeah, respect guys. I think what's also important to expand on What you were saying, Mark, is that sometimes our industry is real volatile and it changes a lot.

58:03BubblemanLike a terpene.

58:05SpeakerYeah. And if we were all, like people on the panel, if we were all like part of, say, a professional soccer or football team or basketball team, you're still a professional. You just sometimes trade teams or come together with different people. Just like LeBron James as an example, went to the heat, got together with some buddies, won some titles, went back. That's kind of like how our industry is forming, these types of patterns and these types of people and individuals.

58:41SpeakerSo I think it's important to know when you're not in the industry looking in and you see different movements and different teams forming, it doesn't necessarily mean anything really changed as far as our passion for For resin, or even proper resin, everyone would still be just as critical on each other no matter what team they were on and have the same respect, I think, as well. So I just wanted to kind of throw that out there that I respect everyone that's on the panel today, Ken and Nikiti and the people that are from Colorado and the different places out there that I've been before.

59:22SpeakerI got nothing but respect. You guys are fucking assassins in the living room game. And the common goal is the fucking copper hatch. I mean, we all sit here because we love resin. It's Valentine's Day. Who are you with? You're with your heads. You know what I mean?

59:45BubblemanSo true, so true. It is Valentine's Day, so I guess we should... Yeah, celebrate our love of hash, which is what we're doing. We've got 1,033 people watching live. We've got a chat room going off, a little bit of a...

1:00:03AdamI was hoping for Chris Bennett so that we could maybe find out who was that guy who was the first one to make hashish.

1:00:11BubblemanYeah, I was really looking forward to it too. I know Todd is going to be coming in later with some special guests. I guess Chris just didn't get the link or something. I'm not sure. Then again, it is full in here, so he might not have access to getting in. Things working for you now, Nick?

1:00:31NickyYeah, barely, barely. It just kept booting me every five seconds.

1:00:34BubblemanI know. I was noticing that. Then there'd be like two or three of you in the room. I was like, what's going on here?

1:00:40NickyYo, man, I always said I needed more of me to make cash, so.

1:00:43SpeakerThere you go, yeah. I'm going to sit back and watch this for a while, guys, let the people get in here because I really wanted to listen and hear you guys talk too and I get to chat. I love you guys all and happy Valentine's Day. Love the hash, guys. Much love. Feel better, Johnny.

1:00:58BubblemanJohnny B, be well. Crazy, crazy. Good to see Johnny B feeling so happy and feeling in less pain. And you know, there's something to be said for the differences of enjoying your hash. I see him now and he seems to not quite be as, like almost like a fiend. Like the way someone would be like, let's do another line, let's do another. He would smoke bong rips like that, like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

1:01:29BubblemanAnd I loved it. I thought it was great and hilarious. But at the same time, I can see it as a little bit of a burden on him that he doesn't seem to have now. That he seems to be just so much in less pain that he can actually maybe enjoy the cannabis a little more than just, you know, try to cover up the pain with it because that was, ah, it's just nice to see him doing so well.

1:01:52BubblemanProps to you, Johnny B.

1:01:55SpeakerWell, Bubble Man, what you're seeing is that he's actually smiling. Yeah. That's the difference. As long as I've known John, he's been in such pain, he was never smiling. Like when we were in Jamaica, like, Going on that like kind of safari towards a little grow, I mean, we got to know each other pretty good because we were both in pain. We couldn't go down that very well, so we had to figure out ways with, you know, gear in our hand and a bad back.

1:02:25SpeakerBut like, you know, he just, he's smiling a lot, which is like amazing. Yeah. It just, it's uplifting to see somebody go through that kind of pain and then surgery and then just, In that great of, first, how good he looks, and the greater the mood, you know? Absolutely agreed. Great to see.

1:02:50BubblemanNice to see. All right. What are you smoking on, Bobby? I am smoking on some West Coast Concentrate OG Kush, full spectrum.

1:03:02SpeakerFull spectrum, nice. I'm sticking with a 73 jar mostly today, but I will double you too.

1:03:12BubblemanExcellent, excellent. Nick is having a real hard time with his connection. That's too bad.

1:03:19NickyI don't know what's going on.

1:03:21BubblemanI know. You're on a computer?

1:03:24NickyYeah, I'm on a brand new laptop actually. This is the first time I've used it, but I'm on my normal Wi-Fi and it just every five seconds just keeps looping me. It says too many people on it.

1:03:34Bubbleman1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. That's weird. You know what's probably happening? I think it's because when you leave, the box stays open for me, and then you show up in a new one, and then I take the old one, and I go hide from broadcast. Maybe I won't do that this time, and we'll see if you don't get bumped. We'll just keep two Nickatees in here.

1:03:58BubblemanYou can make some hash while you're here, and you'll have two of you.

1:04:00NickyI don't know. I don't know who says two of me. But much love, y'all.

1:04:04BubblemanSo hey, the last time we saw you was in Jamaica. What's that sound?

1:04:12AdamWell, it was me. I was just making fun of Nick. He said he had his buddy to help him make ash. Yeah, exactly.

1:04:22SpeakerThat's good. That would be funny if the other one actually just started washing and making ash.

1:04:31BubblemanSo I'll propose a question to the panelists, which is in the next couple of years, where do you see the future of hash making going in our countries? Not necessarily the world, but here in North America, where does everyone see the future of hash making, whether using ICE, whether using I'll comment, Mark. Please do.

1:05:01AdamWhat I think is that if raw materials can get cheap enough, dry sift will dominate. Dry sift is number one for me. But without cheap raw materials, there's no way to do it. Well, one other way you can do it is you can try to get dry sift and then somehow make a product out of the remaining materials. I definitely think that you know

1:05:46BubblemanDry sift is hard to beat in the sense that with every strain, there is very little to any footprint left behind, like water-soluble terpenes being removed or footprints that certain solvents leave by only removing nonpolar components. Generally in any scientific extraction process, there's a footprint that is left behind. And so I definitely think that if, you know, equipment could be designed and created to produce the level of dry sift that Sam is talking about on field grown herb, it would be definitely a game changer.

1:06:22BubblemanIn the meantime, I definitely see water extraction as being very popular in the upcoming years just because it's so easy at this point in time to And if you find the proper cultivars, any hash maker in here could confirm that the greatest, only the greatest water hash, I mean the top, top, top, top, top, I put it very, very close to on par with the great dry sift.

1:06:51SpeakerThat's my opinion. I'd have to say that I believe that bubble hash is honestly the holy grail of all hash. That's just my opinion. I wanted to see everyone's thoughts on the new freeze drying techniques and different, everyone's making these new closed loop machines or trying to make new closed loop machines for water hash. I honestly think the future is going to be, you know, kind of what Tony and like what we're doing as well.

1:07:21SpeakerIt's like the untouched, fresh frozen, you know, or sun cured resin, whatever, you know, like any type of resin, but the, I'm definitely digging like the very So I just want to see how everybody feels about these new closed loop units. I don't think they have quite the specs I'm looking for or our team is looking for, but I think that they're getting close.

1:07:55BubblemanWe're working on a unit ourselves. We're not quite sure. We're going both ways simultaneously. I'm not liking the water exposure in the closed system and the traveling back throughout itself. The less water exposure, the better, in my opinion. I also like the untouched. We started a hashtag, never touched, and it's... It's a good sort of accurate description when you don't have to be touching the hash all the time with your goopy little fingers.

1:08:26BubblemanWelcome, Aaron, back to Hash Church. Another fairly new hash maker. What, a year or two? Yeah, about two years. Excellent, excellent. Also producing the fire, taking nice pictures and sharing good information with people.

1:08:42AdamI have a question. When you make fresh frozen hash that Preserves all the terpenes. And if you smoke a lot of that, does that ever cause a problem? Because when I used to smoke really fresh pot that had really lots of monoterpenes, it used to fuck with my throat.

1:09:04SpeakerNot for me personally. It's all about how you cure and dry your resin, I think, in any application. So, I mean, as long as you cure and dry your resin properly... I really think that you can get it just as dry and just as smooth, you know, as say like a longer cured regular technique water.

1:09:24AdamIt's not the dryness that I'm really referring to. What I'm referring to is the fact that I'm saying that when it's super, super rich in monoterpenes, that seems to what fuck with me. You understand?

1:09:40SpeakerI understood. I feel the same about maybe the high, like, I haven't mixed too much of, like, say, Tony's terpenes with things that we have in the past, but it's a very intense, you know, even if you mix it with hash or if you just hit it by itself. So I'm kind of used to that oversaturation, I guess, of terpenes with the fresh frozen. It's what I fell in love with about, you know, three years ago, four years ago when we started making hash, and And I never looked back, really.

1:10:11SpeakerFor me, at least, you know, the oversaturation that you're talking about, the monoterpenes, I guess I love. That's what I love about it. For me, I feel like it's... No problem.

1:10:21AdamI loved it, too. But I'll tell you a funny little story. Every year at Thanksgiving, I got laryngitis for a decade. And what it was from was I would grow original haze in California back in the 70s. And I would harvest it, dry it for a couple weeks, and start sampling the different plants. And wangle-bangle, every year for a decade, I got laryngitis from extremely high monoterpene.

1:10:53AdamThe pot was dry. It would crackle. But it was really, really terpene fresh. If I would box it for three months and then smoke it, no problem.

1:11:06BubblemanI had a discussion with Rob Clark about that a few years back in Amsterdam and some of the different, it was actually the year that I brought the really nice dry sift and it was super smooth and everyone was tripping on how smooth it was. They'd take a rip and just be like, oh my god, that was just so smooth and it was like, yeah, it's like been cured out.

1:11:26BubblemanIt's like, and once, and I don't, and Rob, we talked about it in a little bit, sort of in the sense that, yeah, you know, there might be some terpenes, some of those monos, that, you know, you, that don't, that aren't as appreciative, that maybe cause more of a raspiness to your throat or really kind of grab you harsh. You're always going to have people who like those, and you're always going to have people who don't like them.

1:11:48AdamA good example is Camper. Try smoking Camper. Right. It's a terpene. You find it a lot associated with menthol and stuff like that. I guarantee you, if you smoke camphor, it will make you cough. But it also makes THC stonier.

1:12:08BubblemanYou know, Sam, it might be an age thing. As we get older, we have more of an appreciation for that smoother, well-cured hash. We have more of an understanding of it. When I was younger, I mean, shit, when I first started making water hash, I was literally smoking it wet.

1:12:24AdamWhen I was younger, I was dumb enough to do this every year to myself for 10 years in a row.

1:12:31BubblemanWell, that's what I'm saying.

1:12:35BubblemanAnd there's learning in that. The bottom line is you wouldn't not want to do it the way you want to do it and the way you like it because it guides you to where you're going. And so it's an interesting sort of, there's no right or wrong. It's all right for you. And I'm in the same boat.

1:12:51SpeakerThat's what's so great about this panel of people, I believe. We all have different styles and different ways we do things and different techniques and We've all learned here and there from each one of you, you know, and I dig it. It's great to be here.

1:13:04AdamThat's what I used to love about the legends was we'd all get together and everybody'd throw their shit down on the table and we'd all smoke it and the egos got pushed aside. In the end, everybody would pretty much agree, you know what, this is the stuff.

1:13:23SpeakerI agree, I agree. I'll smoke it now. The answer here, I think the answer here Both your questions, Ken and Mark, and to go inside with what Sam's saying is it really depends on the division in which happens. So let's say everything gets legalized. The whole world's legal. We could just grow this plant wherever we want in the most desired locations for each cultivar to maximize that particular resin.

1:13:56SpeakerFor different classifications, industrial, commercial, and consumer level. That would be your home level. And I think those are going to produce different tiers of what we would consider raw. And so what Sam's talking about, I agree with. In an industrial-sized situation where I would say, okay, I'm looking at tens of acres, 10 acres to 100 acres of resin. When you're trying to standardize that resin and put it into a medicinal or nutraceutical or recreational product, you're going to want to sift through that different resin and you want to standardize that particular process.

1:14:42SpeakerSo sifting ultimately allows you to build bigger machines, more volume, more accurate breakdown of the actual resin heads as a raw I think you would see more of a starting process being done with water.

1:15:22SpeakerIn ice, I don't think that's going to go away. I personally like it. I feel a little better when the plant is washed and the resin is collected. It's just kind of like we wash our food before we eat it. If you're good at being able to wash it and remove the water and you know what you're doing and you're able to work without having microbials and And fungi and molds and things like that.

1:15:51SpeakerIf you meet those particular standards of commercial, I think people are going to wash still at that level.

1:15:58BubblemanFunny enough, imagine, Tony, that from Sam's perspective, he's just saying that if people were able to suddenly do what they do with water and ice without water and ice, I suspect that they would.

1:16:12SpeakerYeah, yeah.

1:16:14AdamI'm also agreeing with what Tony says. Mark, when you were at the sadhu kambumelas and stuff, did you see the sadhus smoking their ganja and before they would prepare a chillum of it, they would wash it with water?

1:16:29BubblemanYou know, I have to say I never hung out with any sadhus that were smoking ganja. We were hash strictly Shivite babas.

1:16:38AdamWell, the poor ones smoked ganja.

1:16:41BubblemanWell, these ones were pretty poor. They didn't own anything, but they definitely had hash. Oh, wait. It was our hash.

1:16:53SpeakerWell, and I think that ultimately, though, consumers are going to want, and this is something that I've always worked with, and even with Ken, what we're talking about, what Sam's talking about is interesting. So A while ago I used to use fresh frozen material, even for terpenes, and now I don't. And I look for freshly cured material even for when we're making hash, and that's only because even when we're talking about, this leads into freeze drying.

1:17:29SpeakerSo when you're talking about trying to cure resin that's been washed and taking the water off of Thank you for joining us today.

1:18:03SpeakerAnd you're using fresh frozen. What Sam's talking about, these monoterpenes are the ones that are really unstable. Those are the ones I try to avoid and cure out. And so sometimes the terpenes that I'm doing now may seem a little different than the aroma from the flower. Because the aroma from the flower, what you're smelling is a different terpene than what's actually preserved in the oils. And those oils are changing.

1:18:27SpeakerSo in fresh frozen, you have a little bit of what's unstable Transformation of the particular monoterpenes in this curing process. So when you're washing hashes fresh frozen, sometimes you get like a resin that's got these high abundance in monoterpenes that are generally supposed to be cured out in a 10, 20, or three month process. And so they become real greasy. And so this I've noticed with... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:19:26SpeakerBut if you're working with properly dried resin heads, then you're going to be able to... Sorry, I got completely sidetracked because my dog just decided to take a shit in my new living room. But yeah, no, with the freshly cured resins.

1:19:54SpeakerWhen you get the buds that are cured, like, you know, and this is something else that never touched, so it just leads into it. So here's some really good OG, and I know, I know, fucking Nicky too appreciated it. Some Larry OG, Sun Grown, really proper. I got this from a friend of mine in Harborside, but this is like so good. It's all organic. Now, imagine we want to try to take terpenes or we want to take the resin off of that.

1:20:27SpeakerLook at that trim. There's not a leaf on that. So that was dry trimmed, right? And so if you're trying to run that kind of material, then you're kind of, in my opinion, you've already got molested resin. So what I've been doing is having the farmers not trim the bud and keep it on the stick. You know, and that's what Bubble Man wanted for his brand. It was very, very correct about, like, the type of material and resin.

1:20:57SpeakerAnd, you know, I think even myself, I've worked with a lot of fresh rose, and I was like, oh, really, that's how you want it? And I'm thinking, okay, okay. But as we went through that process, I can tell you that the resin itself is more stable. And it captures like an amazing flavor. You know, and it's just, it's like grapes. It's like, do you want to take these grapes off the vine or should I like beat them against the wall and then give them to you?

1:21:33SpeakerWhat I've been playing with is like you said, I like the variability. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:22:03SpeakerYou know, Gorilla Glue Strain or something like that, and you want to make it greasier and still stable. It can stay out on your coffee table for weeks or whatever, but it's cool to be able to play with those variables. Is that something that you've noticed as well? Because I kind of agree with you on the curing the resin, for sure. I like it fresh, fresh, untouched.

1:22:21SpeakerThat's why I like the fresh frozen. But what I've been playing with is, you know, curing after the fact, say after you've extracted and freeze-dried it, like we'll, As you know, we've always kind of cured in like a wine cooler, like 52 degrees to 59 or something like that to really, you know, above a fridge temperature to really give it like those heads. They seem to swell back up because, as you know, they kind of shrivel when you dry them.

1:22:45SpeakerSo it's kind of cool to see them like swell back up and become more stable. So I agree with you. I like the cured resin as well. But something we've been doing is doing it after the fact, you know, instead of the dried, cured, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:23:20NickyOne of the main reasons that I used to, you know, that really I started playing with fresh frozen is the commercial aspect. And just as, you know, Ken just said, it's so hard to control all of the growers. And so for us, getting fresh frozen material, you have that much more of a likelihood of it being untouched. Exactly. That's why we started playing with fresh frozen. Now, I agree.

1:23:44NickyI love playing with both dry and fresh frozen. And I think certain strains... And certain growers we do a lot better with when they produce fresh frozen material for us, whole plant material. Then there's some grows where their whole plant fresh frozen material is so dense and so wet because it was so wet when it went into a freezer, it's harder to get everything out of that material.

1:24:08NickyAnd you see low yields, 7% yields and stuff because We're not trying to agitate that material too much, but to actually get in there and get all those trichomes from that fresh, hard rock can be more difficult to get those proper heads out and get the yield that you need in a commercial environment. But obviously there's something to be said about both fresh, frozen, and dry, just depending on how it was produced.

1:24:34SpeakerI'm sure you'd agree also that, I mean, The resin is much different in, say, like, California. Like, I love running dry material in California. It's just that their climate is much more moist.

1:24:45NickyAnd dry material in California is kind of like that gooey material. I wouldn't even, you know, unless it's, like, been sitting for years. I mean, I've ran stuff from, like, a year ago. A year ago's outdoor harvest in California had still been gooey, you know. So, yeah, definitely environment for sure. Yeah.

1:25:03SpeakerAre you guys noticing with the freeze dryer that, The end result is a lot more stable? Or does it still wax out, butter out a lot? I've ran into both like I was kind of describing before. It's like you can, before we acquired one, before we purchased it, like talking to Fletch and other people like that that use it, you can really over dry or say, you can also like extremely under dry and the variables are All right, extreme, you know, like you can all of a sudden like drive an extra hour or your pumps works better, you know, in the next hour because it ran twice.

1:25:41SpeakerSo like it's harder to play with them like say when you microplane or see if you're like, oh, let's leave it out a little bit longer and you can test it and things like that. But I honestly think it's amazing because you can make some stuff that looks like isolate, you know, you can take, you know, and freeze dry the hell out of it, say 12 hours on a dry and like a 12-hour freeze.

1:26:02SpeakerAnd it'll just be this most stable white resin heads you've ever seen. But, you know, they're going to taste not like much, just like General Hash, which is a good taste I like. But for other people, you know, like we were saying, the consumer, the patient, some people like it fresh and greasy. Some people like it really dry and stable. Like, you know, it's a hard thing to figure out, but we honestly like to do a little bit of both.

1:26:29SpeakerYeah, like you were saying, too, with the long cure, We run a lot of fresh frozen and it's interesting to see when it comes out and you sieve it properly and it's dried properly and you see it and it's great and you hit it and then you leave it in the fridge for maybe five or six months and you hit it again and it's a completely different product.

1:26:49SpeakerIt's very greasy but it's still, the flavors have changed in a good way for some strains but also obviously some strains you may like them more fresh. I agree. We've always kind of said that a You know, when you put your hash in the freezer, say when it's still in the powder form or when it greases, whatever, it kind of like puts the hash in a homeostasis.

1:27:10SpeakerIt doesn't really change, but it dries. What we've also noticed is we've had hash from, say, two years ago or from legends of hash and stuff like that that's still in the freezer, and it's actually lost weight. It's actually dried in the freezer. So once again, like I dig on the fridge or like a wine cooler is the temperatures are a little bit higher. But it brings out more terpenes, kind of like what Tony was saying, the cured in a good way, not the freezer cure where I feel like it's leaving it in the same state.

1:27:43NickyI feel like if you don't completely, completely bone dry your product and then put it in the freezer. It's going to be unstable. If it's a bone-dry product and you've dried it for a long period of time and then you put it in the freezer, I think the freezer can be viable, but I agree. I definitely prefer a drier climate in reality.

1:28:03SpeakerYeah, definitely. That's what's been cool about the freezer, I would say, is if we wanted to go to Cali or Spain or Amsterdam, Amsterdam would be amazing for the freeze-dry because, I mean, As Mark and, you know, and Scott Mann would know this, like, you know, us at Legends, like, we definitely kept our hash on, you know, pretty cold before we got there because we knew that the fresh frozen, you know, it's going to, you know, expand out and grease and all that.

1:28:31SpeakerAnd we knew it wasn't going to white out. We were definitely confident with that. But we know with all you old school heads, you like the really stable dried resin, you know.

1:28:42AdamI can tell you, even dry sift, I used to carry it around in film cans. And if it was hot and humid outside, no matter how dry my dry sift was, whether it was fresh, new, or old, because I kept dry sift around for 12, 15 years, and it was still basically almost in exactly the same shape as when I put it away. Maybe it had lost a couple percent of the THC in the tiny bit.

1:29:21BubblemanI smoked some of that 13-year-old dry sift. It was very strong and still melted like water.

1:29:28SpeakerHave you guys noticed, I don't know if a lot of this is directed towards Tony and I guess Nick and T, people who have to test in regulated markets and things like that, but I Have you noticed that, say, like, a drier product will be higher in THC and less in terpenes? When we were testing through Steep Hill back about a year ago, we noticed that our highest THC batch was actually from a dry trim from these people called Natural Remedies, and it had literally no terpenes in it, but it was something high like 80, For 85% or something like that.

1:30:08SpeakerAnd then normally our fresh frozen is about 69% THC.

1:30:13AdamThis was dry sip you were talking about? Dry sip?

1:30:15SpeakerNo, bubble hash, bubble hash.

1:30:17AdamOh, bubble hash. Well, that might have washed away some of the terpenes.

1:30:22SpeakerCorrect. But then with the fresh frozen, as we were noticing, it's like we're getting about 69, you know, to 75% THC. And then, you know, a high, high terpene, you know, percentage. But with the dry, it would be a lower terpene percentage, but very high THC.

1:30:37AdamAnd with dry sift that was 99.9% resin heads, the highest I've ever seen was in the low 80s, which blew me away. I think it was 82, 83% THC. Yeah, that's about the highest we've seen.

1:30:51BubblemanThat was skunk number one. You always told me, Sam, that you preferred, you know, the 60% over the 70%.

1:30:58AdamWell, it's easier to smoke because the goddamn 99.9% stuff runs right through my damn stainless steel screens, even though I've got really fine ones. Right, yes, you do have very fine ones. So that's why I preferred the lower, just because of ease of use. But what about on your Dabinator nail? No, you can use it like that, the 99%. Because what 99.9 is, is basically it's micro-encapsulated drops of oil, each covered with a little layer of wax.

1:31:35AdamTricombs heads.

1:31:38SpeakerTricomb heads.

1:31:40BubblemanI think we're going to have Todd McCormick come in from down in California in the next little bit. He says he's got a couple of special guests. It'll be fun.

1:31:52SpeakerI would say the best way to describe this freeze-dryer situation to the audience, though, is kind of like this. If you looked at professional tennis, and you're looking at the rackets they use, and you look at the sweet spot from the person that just goes to Walmart to buy a racket, they've got this big sweet spot. And then on the pro racket, it's this really small sweet spot.

1:32:15SpeakerOr you look at it like cars, like the Indy. You know, it's a fine-tuned machine, and the race car drivers at that level are tuned that way. So anyone that's been using them understands that. So you're like pulling out the Ferrari, you're pulling out the race car, and you have to know how to like really use it.

1:32:42SpeakerOne of those cultivars is going to offer something a little different.

1:32:47AdamA great example, Tony, is I've had varieties that were truly wondrous. They were beautiful ganja, but you just couldn't get a decent yield of hash from them. So it was useless.

1:33:02SpeakerYeah. And I also think when Ken was talking about the fresh rose, and that's like, so monoterpenes are making up a proportion of that. And you've got these different types of, you know, probably moisture that's in there versus a dry head. Everything I've been using, I guess, out here has been fresh and it's been more dry, which then I'm also extracting terpenes a different way these days, and I'm able to kind of do like restoration hardware on your hash.

1:33:36SpeakerAnd everything's never touched, like we were talking about, using everything I've done as a freeze dryer first. This one right here. So this is the same material and the same first run as I made with this stuff, just as a different texture. You know? Any difference in taste, Tony? You know, I think that the butter itself, this like really nice butter, it's easy to work with. It's definitely a little louder on the nose.

1:34:11SpeakerI think the flavor is a little better in a butter. I prefer these types of consistencies. I didn't think I was going to like the other consistency, but the fact that you can get every little bit out of it, which I didn't think this was going to be like this, because that's a factor. You want to be able to get everything out of it. And when you have something like this, you could use it as an upside down carb cap and then just finish it off.

1:34:41SpeakerAnd it's an oil that is friendly in both worlds, I think. You know, like if you're into anything else like BHO or PHO or anything, holy water or anything like that, it's a consistency that a lot of people can gravitate towards. This definitely hits way harder.

1:35:02AdamTony, is that basically the exact same product, but one's been whipped and the other not?

1:35:08SpeakerIt's the same starting material. It's a first run of a 73 and a 90. And then it was basically washed, freeze-dried. Both of them were freeze-dried, relatively the same, pressed out, collected. And then they went through two different processes. One used kind of this non-whipping tech that I do that's like a warming tech from below. And the other one I used the same terpenes from the strain as a distillate to make it into this, I don't know, this more raw oil.

1:35:54SpeakerSo this one definitely is stronger. This one has made me cry every time.

1:36:01SpeakerAnd it makes sense because you look at it and you look like, that looks like, that's like exactly activated. You know, it almost looks activated. This would compare to what Ken was talking about, the dry, maybe that dry bud run versus the fresh run.

1:36:18AdamIt looks slightly darker than the old Brotherhood of Love.

1:36:22SpeakerAnyway. Right? And then this one is more of a blonde kind of... This one's more of a blonde butter, real easy consistency. This one smells louder. It tastes a little bit better, but it doesn't make me cry, you know? And then I just put them together, and then you've got both coming together. But I think that's kind of like the difference in the fresh frozen. I always felt fresh frozen tasted to me

1:36:57AdamI would agree when it comes to taste, it's hard to beat. I just worry because of the reactions I've had from smoking pot that's too fresh.

1:37:07SpeakerBut you smoked it every year, ten years in a row, and got ten months of laryngitis, correct?

1:37:13AdamNo, no, no, no. I would get a couple weeks of laryngitis.

1:37:17SpeakerA couple weeks, but you still did it to yourself every year for 10 years.

1:37:21AdamYeah, because I wanted to try the new plants that I had harvested of maize.

1:37:29SpeakerSo that just goes to prove that fresh material, even though it could make you sick... You still have to taste it.

1:37:39AdamWell, not only that, but even after I got laryngitis, I just smoked it anyway.

1:37:44SpeakerSo do you think that it's the wet plant material that gave you the laryngitis, or possibly the wet resin? No, no.

1:37:51AdamI don't think it was the wet plant material because I dried it a couple weeks until the branches snapped. No, I mean, you know, it wasn't completely bone dry from a cure dry, but it was... Fucking dry, man. It could be smoked easily, rolled easily. That was not the problem. The problem was, it was just, I mean, original haze, think of the loudest, most turpiny variety you can think of and double it.

1:38:18AdamWow.

1:38:22SpeakerYou know what I'd love to see is people making drops of like, you know, how say they do with whiskey or scotch, like it was like an 18-year-old You know, like 100 grams of two-year-old fresh frozen or something like that. That would be so amazing. Like I have personal stuff of it, but yeah, not enough to like do a drop of or something like that. That would be so amazing.

1:38:43SpeakerIt's something I've been thinking of for a long time.

1:38:48AdamThe ultimate would be to put it in an ampule of glass, flush it with nitrogen, and then melt the glass and stick it in the freezer minus 30 and don't ever take it out until you want it.

1:39:04AdamThat's the Han Solo tech. Yeah, that is the Han Solo tech. Holy shit.

1:39:19BubblemanWe're going to Han Solo this shit. Just give me a couple of seconds here.

1:39:22SpeakerWell, and I would like to say something on behalf of Fresh Frozen, though, because you've got two really good, three now, four really good hash makers on there that swear by Fresh Frozen. And when it's done properly, you know, let's put that in perspective because we don't know who this guy that Sam was smoking every year Fresh Frozen from, you know. But when it's done properly and it's cured properly, It's really fucking hard to beat.

1:39:53BubblemanI'm just laughing to myself right now thinking of the person who's literally buying HansSoloTech.com right now.

1:40:03SpeakerYeah, like this is some fresh frozen here. I mean, there are definitely times where if you don't dry it properly or, you know, it was over frozen, like Nick was saying there, you're not going to get the yield that you may want, but you also, you know, if it's too, if it's not dried properly, you are going to get that kind of sore throat or, you know, a bit of a, just a raspy hit.

1:40:24SpeakerIt's not as smooth. Oh, you might. Really? Like you were saying, for sure. Oh, cool.

1:40:30AdamI wonder... That's great that I wasn't just imagining this for 10 years.

1:40:35SpeakerOh, no, no. It definitely, if it's not dried properly, I noticed personally that it affects my chest a little bit more. Okay. But if you do dry it right, and it's really not a difficult thing to dry it properly.

1:40:45AdamBut you understand my concern.

1:40:47SpeakerOh, 100%. And we do, we're just starting to run dry material a little bit more regularly now. And I have to say that it comes out great as well. I definitely wouldn't say I prefer fresh frozen or dry.

1:40:57AdamWith dried and cured material, I've never seen it happen.

1:41:01SpeakerYeah, no, it doesn't happen with the dry at all, but I would definitely say that if your water hash is not done properly from fresh frozen, or even I'm sure if it's dried and it's not dried properly as hash, you still leave moisture in it or something like that, it can definitely be a little bit raspier as well.

1:41:15AdamAnd fresh frozen that has a high terpene content. If you take it to a hot, humid place and expose it when it's dry in the glass where you took it from, but you take it to some place hot and humid and you open it, does it absorb water like mad?

1:41:33SpeakerUm, I mean, it doesn't usually stay as a perfect powder, but it doesn't give me the, uh, the chest that, um, unproperly dried hash would give me.

1:41:42AdamUm, but I usually have it somewhere, you know, in like a... No, what I'm saying is the hash itself. Okay, when I take bone dry soap... Oh, yeah, I agree. ...to a hot, humid place, it absorbs water from the atmosphere.

1:41:55SpeakerYeah, no, I would agree with that for sure. It does, it does, uh, and can do that, but I don't find that...

1:42:02AdamI was wondering, does it have a worse problem?

1:42:05SpeakerYeah, I wouldn't be able to answer that. I just know that, like, in my apartment, it's usually quite humid and hot. I have a lizard, so it has to be, you know, in the 80s, usually, just for him, because he just walks around on the walls.

1:42:18AdamHeat is bad. Humidity is the worst.

1:42:21SpeakerYeah, for sure. But, I mean, it definitely stays as something that doesn't affect my chest, like undried hash does. But it does grease up, for sure.

1:42:30BubblemanYou should also kind of mention Adam West Coast, who's speaking right now. He is extremely sensitive to cannabis resin. He's like highly allergic to it. So when he works, even washing, not dry sifting, he has to wear a full face mask so he can breathe, so his chest doesn't all clump up on him. So often people like that, because of their sensitivities, They almost have a unique ability to judge these things because of how much more sensitive their system is in regards to inhaling or even just touching them.

1:43:09SpeakerYeah, if I'm in the room, even like if we were done making, you know, our day's work or whatever, and I'll maybe, you know, forget something in the spot and I'll go back to get it. If I don't have the mask on for more than five or six minutes in that room, it's even after the hash has been made and it's all cleaned and even just the remnants of it is in the room.

1:43:27SpeakerIt really affects my breathing. But that being said, I can smoke it. You know, as resin, dry sift definitely is more of a, you know, a harder thing for me to smoke a lot of just because of, I guess it's the pollen or whatever it is that's actually affecting my chest. But yeah, the respirator really helps but I definitely, you know, you get some bubble, you get some water in your gloves or something like that and you get pretty itchy hands for the rest of the day for sure.

1:43:58BubblemanI love that it's like literally potential hell for you and you would rather be doing nothing other than that.

1:44:05SpeakerHey man, it's a blessing to be able to do what we do on a regular basis. If it kills me, I'll take the L. Nice.

1:44:14BubblemanWell, props to you, dude, because I feel terrible for you. Thank you for watching.

1:44:39SpeakerYeah, the first time we made bubble, we drank it. It was really crazy, actually. It didn't taste bad, but it probably wasn't something I would drink on a regular basis.

1:44:50BubblemanYou'll definitely see the cleanliness of your grower when you start drinking the bubble water, let me tell you.

1:44:56SpeakerThey've done any funky weirdness to that shit, you will be tasting it in that water. If there's any foliars or anything that didn't flow correctly, you'll taste it, man. We stopped after a while because certain clients we'd have, you know, in the As you probably know, you've seen the news articles, the Colorado companies out here have a big problem because they grow in these warehouses that shouldn't even be occupied, but they're growing in these wet warehouses, so they all have problems, so they have to use pesticides, a lot of them, so we stopped after a while.

1:45:26SpeakerWe only do it with good growers, but it used to be, I loved it, man. It's like a good cookies water, purple water, it's so good. I used to see Ken walking around And he'd be like, you know, after, like, working all day, and I'm like, hey, what's going on? He's like, oh, not much. And he'd be, like, just drinking, like, coffee. I used to make our, like, yeah, our employees, you know, people would wash with us and drink it, too, just to, like, when you first write it, it really does, like, show you a lot, you know, about that grower and stuff.

1:45:58SpeakerYou're like, oh, my God, that is, you know, like, that's literally a foliar spray I just drank, you know, like, yeah, it sucked, but now you also know that, like, those Terpenes could be affected.

1:46:11SpeakerThe hash isn't going to be as great or whatever you want to say. At least you did go through and experience that that grower, maybe you shouldn't drink that water or maybe not keep as much for head stash.

1:46:22AdamMy employees who used to work for me in my greenhouse and would be harvesting plants all day for weeks told me that while harvesting the plants, they were getting high. From the terpenes, maybe. Well, there was resin on their arms, but I didn't think it would go transdermal. So I went and got piss tests, and with their permission, I piss tested them to see what happened. And it all came up negative.

1:46:51AdamThey were working eight hours harvesting plants, giant plants, covered with resin, and they came up negative. But when I had them grinded up to make sifting materials, they tested positive from breathing it. Interesting. Dust. THC dust. Not the dirt.

1:47:09BubblemanAnd when you tested yourself and it came back like 98% THC, were they surprised?

1:47:16AdamI didn't test myself. Or maybe I did, but I probably tested. You know what? I didn't because I already knew what my test would be.

1:47:25SpeakerTriple positives.

1:47:26AdamWell, it wasn't a fair test, whereas the gal who was working for me was not a smoker, but she was saying it was affecting her. So the terpenes were modifying her effects, but when she actually was grinding up materials to be dry sifted, She tested positive, and when she went home at night, she says, man, I slept so strong, I know something happened.

1:47:55SpeakerAnd I piss tested her again the next day, and bingo.

1:48:00BubblemanBingo. So you piss test your employees, hey?

1:48:03AdamWell, no, actually, I gave her a mask, and she didn't want to use it. And no, I piss tested her at her request. I went and got it. She was convinced she was getting high.

1:48:16BubblemanIf you were piss testing your employees, it would be to ensure that they had at least a certain level.

1:48:22AdamWell, see, if they don't have enough THC in their blood, that means they haven't been working hard enough.

1:48:28BubblemanHey, welcome, Fletch. Oh, you're muted. What's going on? Jesus Christ. Try that. No? You're going to have to shut your browser down and come back. Stuff happens here on Hash Church, you know. Hopefully we see Todd here come in real soon. He's going to bring a couple of guests.

1:48:50SpeakerFletch is going to come back. Fletch has got shit to say. You know he does.

1:48:54AdamI have a question for everybody in the short run. What is the highest THC level of water hash or dry sift or rosin that anybody's seen tested?

1:49:10NickyWell, we've tested upwards of 94% THC multiple times from one client, one strain. In what?

1:49:18AdamWhat product?

1:49:20NickyIn our water hash, actually, before rosin. And then once we rosin, we were right at, like, similar, similar numbers. It was interesting.

1:49:29AdamHow could the rosin not be higher than the water hash it came from?

1:49:36BubblemanWho knows? You've got to take into account the variables of the labs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:49:42SpeakerThe labs.

1:49:48SpeakerWhat's that? You always got to do two labs, at least two labs to compare the data.

1:49:53AdamYeah, redundancy is important for certain. Yeah, we used to do triplicates, Tony.

1:49:58NickyAt least. Sorry, one thing I want to mention is that the labs are just still not standardized today, so I should preface it with that. But we've been hitting, you know, multiple mid-90s lately as far as high test goes with our water hash and our rosin.

1:50:18AdamThat's amazing because I made resin that was 99.9% resin heads. I mean, Bubble Man's photographed it and everybody's seen it. It was only 82, 83% THC.

1:50:35NickyBut it had that waxy cuticle, right? Absolutely it did. That should be higher in THC, correct?

1:50:41AdamYeah, but all water has it too.

1:50:44NickyYeah, but then once you ROS in it, you're removing a lot of it.

1:50:48AdamYeah, but you said they have the same levels.

1:50:51NickyWhat's that?

1:50:52AdamYou said they have the same amount of THC.

1:50:56NickyOn that test result, because I was saying that the labs are just not standardized, and I should have prefaced it with that, that it's so hard.

1:51:02AdamYou know, I've tested, I mean, we test over... We were lucky because we had our own internal lab. And we were really, really dependable. We had guaranteed, the first thing we did was guarantee that we have replicable, dependable results that we could duplicate really easy. And if we sent it off to two other labs, they got the exact same results. And not the flaky labs that you're dealing with.

1:51:29AdamI'm talking about internationally known labs that have been doing this for decades. The hardest parts. I mean, I...

1:51:38Archive SeedsI think we're already seeing that the majority of the labs out there are not accurate, period. At least over here.

1:51:45AdamI think they're honestly trying.

1:51:47Archive SeedsThey may be trying, but at the end of the day, the reason that the majority of these people are testing cannabis in Washington or in Oregon or in Colorado is because it's a business, not because they're researchers.

1:52:01Archive SeedsAnd most of these labs act as a business first, in my experience.

1:52:07Archive SeedsAnd there's been cases against them for that kind of stuff too. I mean, up here in Washington, there's been a handful of labs that were increasing the test result numbers and just putting out fudge numbers just because the people are their good customers. And I don't think that's necessarily... It doesn't help anything.

1:52:28AdamI know growers that used to take their stuff to three different labs. Then they would show the dispensaries the results that favored whatever it is they were trying to do.

1:52:38Archive SeedsRight, exactly. And for example, like in Oregon, every single batch that hits the dispensary has to be tested. But all you have to do is test one nug and put it on whatever big bag of weed you've got. I mean, it's not, a lot of this is very, you know, Dr.

1:52:56AdamIt's funny because when they test grains like the USDA, they stick a sample scoop into the bag of grain and take it from the middle.

1:53:13Archive SeedsDr. Right. Well, for weed, everybody gets to choose what nug represents your pound. Dr.

1:53:18NickyThere have also been studies where just patients have gone You know, to the different dispensaries and tested, you know, and grabbed different edibles and that's what's put some edible companies on blast as we've seen because there's calling an edible 100 milligrams and showed 5 milligrams of THC in it. You know, so there's somewhat standardization that's trying to happen at least in Colorado. We push for it every day.

1:53:46BubblemanI will say this. I don't get a lot tested. I don't have a relationship with a lab that I trust that shows me things, but I've been lucky to have a relationship with Sam for a long enough time, and he did have these internationally renowned labs tested for so many years that he really got to know his terpene spice and his... I mean, is it not correct that you were able to usually...

1:54:11BubblemanYou know, from a GC analysis, recognize a particular terpene spike that was the skunk number one. Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, so that's a lot of testing and an intimate relation.

1:54:25AdamEven in the best days, we never had more than 50 or 60 of the more common terpenes.

1:54:31BubblemanRight, okay, so when I first smoked your hash, the dry sift. It was shocking to me how strong it was. Like, literally shocked me how strong it was. And you said it was somewhere around... Hey, Mila! Hey! Welcome to Hash Church, Mila. We're just chatting about the thing that we all love so much.

1:54:58AdamHash. I'm in the empty chair, Mila. I'm the invisible man.

1:55:04BubblemanYeah, we have Skunk Man Sam. Okay. The Invisible Man. Okay. Okay. And, yeah, we're just talking about hash. Tony has a big smile on his face. Wow, wow, wow.

1:55:19NickyGreetings, Mila.

1:55:21SpeakerHello, hello. How are you? Welcome to everybody. I see all kind of faces there.

1:55:30BubblemanYes, welcome. If you know what, why don't we give you the floor if you want to tell a little bit about your history with hashish. Where did it all start for Mila?

1:55:39Speaker1964. When did you smoke? When did you, you know, your whole story. In 1964 I started to smoke hashish.

1:55:50SpeakerWell, that was just 10 years. I don't know.

1:55:54BubblemanI'm also just waking up, man. Nice. Well, roll up a spliff, and we'll have some conversation, and you can jump in any time you like.

1:56:04SpeakerOkay. Okay. That sounds good.

1:56:06BubblemanThat's probably a good way to do it. As Baba Rob would say, blow smoke towards the Vatican.

1:56:12AdamMila beat me by a couple of years because I didn't smoke hash until more like maybe 66 or something like that. I smoked weed the first year.

1:56:24SpeakerHere you could only get hash. There was no weed in that time.

1:56:29AdamThe only reason I got red Lebanese hash was because I lived in Hollywood. If I lived in most places in California, there wouldn't have been no hash either.

1:56:40SpeakerAh. Over here, there was only hashish. There was coming from the harbor, from Turkey and Lebanon. That was the first hash that we had. How was that hashish? Pardon? How was the hashish? It was okay. Yeah, yeah, I was rolling on the floor laughing the first time I smoked. I was trying to get to my bed, cycling with my legs in the air. What country was it from?

1:57:12SpeakerWas it Turkish? We did love it, first experience.

1:57:18AdamWhat variety was it, Mila? Was it Turkish?

1:57:22SpeakerIt might have been Turkish or it might have been Red Lebanese. This is a long time ago.

1:57:27AdamThere used to be really good Turkish in this town. It's long gone, but I can remember really good Turkish.

1:57:37SpeakerYeah, yeah. It didn't get really good until I got to Afghanistan. Then we had some superb hashish over there.

1:57:51BubblemanHey, welcome Todd McCormick.

1:57:55BubblemanIf you're there, I'm not sure if we lost you or not, if he came and froze in, but I know he's at the International Cannabis Conference right now in California.

1:58:06SpeakerHow's his new magazine getting off the air?

1:58:10BubblemanI think it's good. There he is. Welcome, Todd.

1:58:14SpeakerHi, Todd. What up, Todd?

1:58:17BubblemanDid we lose him again? I think we did. Oh, I bet you know he's probably so annoyed that his shit isn't working.

1:58:28BubblemanHe can fix it easy. He's the computer expert. He will definitely fix it, I'll tell you that much.

1:58:36BubblemanGuaranteed. Well, we've got 1,069 people watching live, eager and ready to hear good stories. We've got Mila just came into the room. We've got Mr. Skunk Man Sam, and now the Bizarre Brothers just rolled into town. There's Mr. Space. How you doing? Space is the place. That's right. Welcome, welcome. What are you doing this morning?

1:59:04SpeakerOh, I think I cut off. That's all right. You didn't get up, huh? No. How you guys doing this morning? Hello, Mila. Hello, good morning. It's over here.

1:59:17BubblemanSorry, I had to mute your mic. I'll unmute you in a second. Tony's mic had some reverberation coming through.

1:59:27SpeakerThat's what it is. Are you fixing it? Yeah, hold on a second. Oh, gosh. Right on.

1:59:36BubblemanHe's our brother. Very good. Nice to have all these hash makers and hash aficionados, lovers of hash. And people are stoked. They're stoked to, yeah, shout out to Rihanna Fletcher. Total shout out to Rihanna Fletcher. In the chat room, good friend Rihanna from Vancouver, expecting her first baby, I believe, here in the near future, so... Good luck with that, and I hope it all goes wonderful and that you bring a beautiful little baby person into this world.

2:00:05BubblemanAnd maybe they'll love hash. Who's to know?

2:00:09SpeakerSo here's a question for the panel, I guess. What's everyone's favorite, you know, just thing to puff on? Could be a strain or a cultivar, I guess, or a type of hash. But, I mean, for me, my favorite is definitely Fomal Bubble. Dry Sift is great as well. I really like Rosin, but I would say that Bubble is by far my personal favorite anyways.

2:00:36BubblemanWell, geez. I would have to be like, hard to say, you know. I definitely like Foamelt Bubble and Foamelt Dry Sift. Like the 99% heads, the cultivars that were grown to perfection and they just have those smells and flavors and the way they taste and they're smooth in the pipe. There's just... I think they're both on par for myself, almost like each one is another side of the screen with the hash melting.

2:01:07AdamI wouldn't turn down either one. No.

2:01:12NickyIt's all about the strain, how it was grown, what wax to oil ratio. There's so many variables as to which one I would prefer at that particular time, you know, for which strain. Dry sieve, you know, hazes, I love.

2:01:31AdamWhat, hazes when I make a lot of trouble to dry sift a haze? I have a lot of trouble dry sifting hazes. I get such low yields.

2:01:42NickyI guess Haze Cross is out here because I don't really... No, that's what I do too.

2:01:47AdamI make Haze Skunks and stuff like that. No problem. But pure Hazes? That's what I mean.

2:01:52NickyI'm talking more like that Haze hybrid compared to something like an OG or a Sour.

2:02:02BubblemanHey, welcome. Todd McCormick back with Arian from the Greenhouse Seed Company and the Strain Hunters. Thanks for showing up, guys.

2:02:11SpeakerHey, thanks for having us. We're at the International Cannabis Business Conference. I was just lucky enough to present our Lifetime Achievement Award. Thank you very much. Oh, well. It's a great honor. You're the one that deserves it. You know, though, we were talking about hashish today, and I mean, you, when I did my first magazine back then, you busted out some of your collection. Let me take photos of it, and it blew me away.

2:02:31SpeakerBut, you know, you've been retailing hashish now in Amsterdam for, you know, what? 25 years plus now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Since 92, I started selling hashes out of the Tolstrat. Wow. All of them import hash at the time. No Dutch hash. Yeah. No Dutch hash. And still, basically, all we sell is only import hash because we consider the hash from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Morocco by far better than our own hash.

2:02:59SpeakerWow. We don't say because, yeah, of course, our own hash is in many cases stronger. And a lot of our plants have been grown in Morocco, so we get them back. But the authentic taste and the authentic aroma of hashish from Morocco and Nepal, according to me, I used to be a chef, I used to have a restaurant a long time ago, is by far better than any of the stuff that we create ourselves.

2:03:24SpeakerWow. But that's my personal opinion. Right. The nuances of it is what brings it through. You know, we were talking about it before because a lot of these things that make the cannabis from these specific localities, be it, you know, Nepalese finger hash or Moroccan hash is, dare I say, the contaminant of the other particles other than the resin that gives it the unique characteristics of that location.

2:03:47SpeakerWell, it has a long, it first has to do with the height where the plants are growing. It has to do with the soil. It has to do with the way it's processed, the way it's fermented. For example, in Morocco, the harvest is in October, and the people don't start hitting the plants on the 6th or January because they do it in the night because you need cold nights and the day is too warm to work.

2:04:11SpeakerSo, first of all, these plants have been bushed together in a big shed. With all the leaves around, this is the perfect way to fermentate. So there's a lot of things that make the taste different. That's why, because it's so good. You can compare it a little bit like wine, you know? No wine is good when it's just been harvested. So, and the same for all our stuff in our western countries.

2:04:34SpeakerWe harvest and we sell directly. Basically, it should be shelved at least two to three months before you do anything with it. Wow. So, and this, you know, like now you see all the electronic cigarettes or all the pipes or all the dabs or all the shadow. It's all made directly and it's all infused with terpenes that are synthetic terpenes in most cases. So, it's very strong.

2:05:01SpeakerBut, you know, I prefer very good food. Right, organic. Organic, very, very tasty food, and not the one from, yeah, McDonald's. No, no, it's true. You know, there's guys like we have, hey, Nickity, what's up? You know, there are people that put their signature to it in a way that really, like, in French you will hear from later, that really put a touch to it that is something that can't be copied.

2:05:28SpeakerI mean, when certain people... Process the plant. There's just something about the nuances and the way they're handling it that kind of gives it kind of like a personal touch, you know. I always tell Frenchie Sash or Vernon Phillip Sash when I write to me, you know. Look at your old skills. If you look to the Charas up in Himlash Project in the north of India, it takes a whole day sitting in the sun.

2:05:57SpeakerYeah, because that's where you have to be to make the real charas, and you can make 8 to 12 grabs. Now, who in the world is going to have a headache at the end of the day, because you have a headache, terrible, and rub 8 to 12 grabs? So, this is the original art of making hashish, and this hashish, I can tell you, is real jungle charas.

2:06:19SpeakerYou have to go up 2,000 meters for you guys to run 6,000, 7,000 feet, and if you can find it, the non-cultivated one, the real jungle one. It's tremendously nice. It's the same with Nepal. Nepal is probably the highest in the world that you can grow up to 3,000 meters, sometimes 3,200. Yeah, the stuff is incredible, incredible. It's like a march, you know? Right. You know, we're seeing more and more in America now that more people are growing all over the country and

2:06:51SpeakerI do believe. Is that Denver? That is Denver. That's absolutely right. And Mila. Hello, Mila. You know, obviously. Hi, how are you? Hey, I didn't recognize you. Mila, where are you? How are you? Where are you? Are you in a mile high city? I'm in Amsterdam. It's snowing and it's evening. Oh, I feel sorry for you.

2:07:18SpeakerLove to you, Mila. Hello. It's interesting, what are some of the more popular varieties of hash that you guys sell? Well, listen, you have one of the biggest experts in the world. I didn't even realize she was on there. Some of the most popular hashes, well, for me, still number one is good old Landrace Blanc Moroccan. I think the aroma and the smell when you open it, we call it butter hash, you have it with Christmas always.

2:07:43SpeakerIt's superb, but at the same time, really good in Nepal and a really good...

2:07:51SpeakerIndian one. Of course, there's also really, really good Afghani. But the problem with the Afghani in the past was they used the same tools they use the opium for. So you got really stoned because they put like 10%, 20% opium through the hashish. It all comes out of illegality, of course. It's another disadvantage of products being illegal. So I don't consider that the best one. So for me, it's like Nepal, India, and Morocco, where it's the best hashish.

2:08:18SpeakerI love it. How about you, Mila? Can I ask you, what's your favorite import hash? You're sitting there in the capital of cannabis for so many decades.

2:08:29SpeakerThe time when I was in Afghanistan in 68, it was really great. And I doubt very much there was already being opium added in those days. I was only three years old, so I don't remember.

2:08:43SpeakerWe're a few decades younger, right? Just a few. Some of the most amazing experience I had with some sadhus up above Manali. And we freshly rubbed it and smoked it, and it was like hallucinogenic. It was amazing. We also have Skunkman Sam hiding in there. Hey, Sam, what's your favorite import cultivar? Your favorite import hash?

2:09:09BubblemanOh, he's muted. Let me unmute him. He might have muted us. Let's see if we can get him unmuted here fast enough. We're trying, Sam, we're trying. His hand's talking. There we go.

2:09:21AdamI got you. Okay, you got it off? I got you, buddy. Okay, so I prefer hash I make myself, to be honest. But imports, I've had fantastic hash from... Quite literally every country that's a hashish producing country, except for some of the ones up in like Sarmacan and places like that, and Kashgar. I didn't go to those. Rob did, but I didn't. And I've had some really, the best hash I've ever seen, the strongest and the best probably, was Afghan.

2:10:01AdamIt was pretty pure and pretty clean. But the highs from Manali and Kashmir and Nepal, it's different. It's more ivory because it's more like a sativa narrow leaf plant rather than a drug variety. And in Afghanistan, there's always a significant amount of CBD in with the THC. You still get really stoned because you're smoking it at the same time. The mountain-grown stuff in the Himalayas can be a bit of a cleaner high, maybe not quite as strong, but really good.

2:10:51SpeakerYou're a nicotine. You coughing a little there, Derek? You okay, bro? Must be the dry wheat from Colorado. Yeah, right. Don't feel cautious. It's not like a thousand people watching you hack over there, bro. Is that tobacco in your spliff? Is that tobacco?

2:11:09NickyYeah, yeah, it is. It is. All right. We know why you're talking about this.

2:11:14SpeakerMila, are you smoking tobacco too, Mila? Yes. Oh, my God. My first spliff was tobacco.

2:11:24NickyHey, I don't condone it. I don't condone it, but this is what I do, and maybe part of it's due to Mila.

2:11:32BubblemanYou know what? I have been notoriously, like, against tobacco most of my adult life, but when I went to India for the Mahak Kumbh Mela, and we brought this beautiful charis from Nepal...

2:11:47BubblemanSo we were able to smoke very few chillums before the right people sniffed us out and we ended up in the right sort of groups and circles. And of course these guys were mixing their charas with tobacco and it was kind of like, I was just like, oh no, can't we just do pure chillums? You know, the young guy traveling to India for the first time and the guy was just like, you know, this is how it's going to be, we're going to have some chillums and we're going to do it how we do it and it's going to be fine and I mean, the buzz I got, it was like a rocket ship.

2:12:19BubblemanYou took a hit off this chillum, and it was like the headspace, because I was so sensitive to tobacco, was like a rocket ship. You just took right off, and then the hash just sort of like kept you up there. And I did it for that trip only, and I've never done it otherwise in my life, but wow. It definitely had something to do unique with the smoking of the charas.

2:12:42NickyI have to say, you know, For me, it's terpenes, and some are going to argue, but I've just been smoking the same way for most of my entire life, and I can't taste it properly unless it has something for me to balance it off of. It's like my thing that's always standard. It always tastes the same. The tobacco always tastes the same, and I can taste the terpenes more.

2:13:06NickyI balance it off of that. And it's just because it's what I'm used to.

2:13:11AdamAnd of course, the first time you smoked, was it with tobacco?

2:13:15NickyIt was, yeah.

2:13:16AdamYou see, because cannabis is a learned experience. It's not like alcohol. Alcohol hits you. Cannabis, a lot of people when they smoke marijuana the first time, they don't even get high. I mean, that's really a common report, especially in America. But if you smoke it with tobacco, and that's how you learn, and that's how you get high the first time, then without the tobacco cues, you don't even realize you're getting high.

2:13:42AdamI've had people smoke my pure, clean, sifted hash, and they'd look at me and say, it barely got me high at all. They'd go out on my back porch, light up a cigarette and smoke it, and come back and say, I am wasted.

2:13:56NickyDon't get me wrong, you know, I take dabs and, you know, I smoke it pure and I had 10 years or more of smoking it pure, you know, without tobacco. You know, it's just, this is what I've gone back to. I don't condone it. I don't condone tobacco use for all those listening. It's just how I personally.

2:14:16BubblemanWell, it's our history, right? It's what we grow up with. When Arian was talking about the hashes that he preferred, I was picturing, like, man, like, In the Mecca in Amsterdam, like running a shop like the greenhouse and the hash that he got to see, he's going to have a very unique sort of history and past with those hashes. So of course, in this day and age today, he's going to have those flavors that You know, trigger all those memories from his past and give those proper flavors like he was saying, like the chef sort of flavors.

2:14:47BubblemanAnd I do see almost the level of pharmaceuticalization that's occurred in the concentrated hash world these days. We've got things getting so clean that it's almost losing a lot of what that import hash was all about. You weren't only tasting that hash, you were tasting that country.

2:15:11SpeakerYeah, that's good spoken. Yeah, that's really well put. It is, really. Yeah, you're getting the essence of the country itself. You're smoking the soil, the people that were there growing it. It's different when you smoke hash that's not from your own personal thing. It's a different experience every time, and that's kind of one of the beauties of it. It's almost a concapsule. I want to thank Aryan for coming on for me.

2:15:35SpeakerI know you've got a ton of shit to do with everything here.

2:15:37AdamI've got a question for Aryan. Any chance that you have a way to get into Afghanistan and collect seeds?

2:15:45SpeakerYes, I'm going there. As a matter of fact, I'm shooting a new movie next week. I'm going to Africa Friday. And it's really a breakthrough. We're going to a very, very big American television network for the first time. So... We can't say too much now. It's going to be very, very exciting. It has never been shot before, and it will be broadcasted in America end of the summer somewhere.

2:16:13SpeakerAnd then also, yeah, there's a few more we want to make, and we're looking also to going back into Afghanistan to collect some very good stuff. Have you been there before, Arian? I've been there before a very long time, but I didn't collect seeds at that time. I only smoked. What year was that? That was early 90s.

2:16:34AdamEarly 90s, yeah. I was maybe 71, 72, and I did collect a few seeds, but I wasn't really serious. I wish I would have been more serious.

2:16:45SpeakerI was there in 68. Yeah, did one of your sons go there, born there, Mila? No, one of my daughters got born in India. Yeah, well, very close. Close. Okay, thank you very much for having me, and... Thank you for all your input here and keep fighting.

2:17:05BubblemanYeah, much appreciation for coming on, Ari, and you know you're a big name in the industry and we appreciate it. I love the shows that you guys are doing with Strain Hunters and of course I've always been a fan of the greenhouse coffee shops from the Tolstrat days and having Rob be right across the street to right on the Damstrat there. So give thanks for all that you've done, brother.

2:17:31BubblemanAll right. So how was the conference, Todd? Was there a lot of hash talk going on at the conference? Oh, he's froze up again, I think. What's going on with the Bizarre Brothers? Coughing? A little boom, double, triple, boom, boom, bam? That's an interesting shade of red that Josh is turning.

2:17:53SpeakerDo you have any feedback on us, or are we good?

2:17:56BubblemanNo, you sound great.

2:17:57SpeakerYou're going to be 424 on the weird welcome, guys. Well, these guys are trying the raw, this raw rosin, the bubble man raw rosin. I was trying to show them what I did with their starting to their finish, this stuff right here. He's been coughing his brains out. We're almost through this whole gram. I still got my brains, man. I'll tell them that.

2:18:25BubblemanHey, I want to hear a little bit from the Bizarre Brothers. I want to hear them tell their story about when they started making water hash back in the Jets' first days. You know, gear it up to make a little larger bowl and sort of the inspiration they got from the conical Rhino design. Welcome.

2:18:46SpeakerYeah, that's pretty much that. You don't have to press a button. It's ready to go. Well, I started making hash, I do believe, 2000, 2001. Made it in...

2:18:56SpeakerFirst time I see it being made was in Cannabis Reverend's bathroom. I was living at his mom's house at the time. Very kind fellow indeed. Yeah, made him melty a few times in Seattle and came down to California with a big bag of Gilson Opals for glass blowing and some bubble bags trying to get some trim. Everybody kept looking at us funny like, what the hell do you want our trim for?

2:19:26SpeakerDon't you want Nuggs? Yeah, whipped up a couple batches down there, came back up to Seattle and then was there for another year and came back down to California where there's a lot of cannabis to really try to bloom what I was trying to do because I knew down here it would really kind of let me do what I wanted to do. After a couple of years, I started making a couple of bigger batches, got into the 20s.

2:19:52SpeakerI had a friend of mine show me how to really hone the use of the 20s and manipulate the bags instead of letting the bags manipulate my day. Yeah, one thing led to another in bigger batches and was still able to maintain a certain quality that I wanted to do just by figuring out exactly what I was doing and applying it in a bigger fashion. Started an underground hash church, or I mean an underground hash bar in Oakland.

2:20:22SpeakerTodd, was that an underground hash bar in Oakland, or was it Oakland? I'm not sharing anything. Try to mute yourself when you're done talking. See that little microphone up there? That was a little bit of reverberation there, so it wasn't very good. Ah, but yeah. I ran into Josh around 2010 or so and started a little underground hash bar in Oakland, which kind of allows for that type of thing.

2:21:02SpeakerThey have a Measure Z bar there, or a Measure Z law there. It was the biggest underground hash bar in Oakland. It kind of was. Wait, is this being recorded? It had like 7,000 numbers there at the time. At its blooming point, and the city eventually shut us down for having too wily a clientele. That was very cool that you guys did that, though. Well, yeah, you know, it was a little bit different than what most of other clubs were doing in California because they had restrictions, you know?

2:21:33SpeakerWe kind of set it up with the cannabis culture that we were all very familiar with. We had coffee tables, couches, and bongs, and we got down. We got high, and People really had a good time. And being that there wasn't any restrictions, you know, we could smoke at our establishment, which was a lot different than what other places are doing. Not to say, you know, the smoking law here is bad in California.

2:22:01SpeakerYou know, it's good that you can't smoke, you know, in places and expose and stuff like that to people. But the kind of thing that it does to the cannabis movement is kind of, Restricting in a way because the way that we smoke, you know what I mean? And there's a lot to be said for the Countess culture and the community and the way that we kind of like smoke with each other and talk with each other where, you know, most other cultures, they are a little bit distant from each other.

2:22:27SpeakerAnd it was a place where that could really bloom. And we had people of every diversity in there. We had people of every age genre. It was a really interesting social melting pot to say. Nice.

2:22:43BubblemanWhen did we start? Do you know when we went from the 20-gallon bucket to like 80 or 100?

2:22:47SpeakerWe started doing that in 2011, 2012, and it took a little bit of time to really kind of

2:23:01SpeakerIt wasn't so much time. It took a lot of material. It took a lot of material, you know, to really kind of figure out the threshold ratio and exactly how to convert what we were doing in a 20-gallon bucket. What do you mean a lot of material? Well, you know, going from a 3- to 4-pound batch to a, you know, 16- to 20-pound batch is quite a jump.

2:23:21SpeakerYeah. We were trying to use the same equipment. We had to get some custom-made stuff. Yeah, I had to get, you know, custom whips and stuff like that to actually be able to grab... And actually take the trim to town. Otherwise, it would just, you know, the whip would just stare and spin in a large puck of weed and not doing anything. And I knew that that was not good.

2:23:41SpeakerSo I started working on a minute per pound thresh ratio. And how that works basically is, you know, you can take the math of however many pounds that you're doing and apply a ratio to that that concerns how much threshing is going on. So if you've got Two or three pounds, you know, you do the math of how much threshing you want to do through your whole window.

2:24:03SpeakerSay you're going to thresh four, five, or six minutes each pound altogether. To some of you, that may sound like a lot. Some of you, it may not sound like very much. So, if you have, you know, three pounds, you want to do one minute per pound, obviously you do three minutes, you know, and so on and so forth. So, like, transferring that into a larger bin, uh, You know, took a little bit of math as far as like what would rotate with how much ice and how much water and what would it take to actually get everything to move.

2:24:36SpeakerBecause the only thing that's actually getting thrashed is what's going through that bit at that moment. So if you've got 20 pounds and it's, you know, taking however long to get around, you know, you're able to figure out just exactly how much you need to do before it stops dropping off. You know, at that point you pay attention to your qualities. And when it starts dropping off.

2:24:58SpeakerAnd at that point, you know, you can really like design basically a nice threshing schedule for each particular strain that you would want and be able to expect consistent results each time. And for me, that's kind of like what it boiled down to. If I wanted to, you know, do large batches and them be consistent, then I had to break it down. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's kind of how it works.

2:25:22SpeakerOh, oh, oh.

2:25:26BubblemanWe're getting a little bit of reverb.

2:25:27SpeakerI guess we've got Matt Rise in the house.

2:25:33BubblemanOh, it's Tony's mic doing that. Okay, I'll move that. How are you guys doing back there, Todd and Frenchie? Welcome to Hash Church.

2:25:41SpeakerHi, thank you. It's great to have you.

2:25:46BubblemanYou are, Frenchie, what I call the ancient future. You are the bridge between the old and the new. You're taking the new, but you're doing with it as the old taught you. And so I appreciate that. Welcome.

2:26:07SpeakerThank you. That is cool. You know, last night I asked Frenchie for some hash, which is something I always do because it's smart to do. And he hands me this beautiful box that looks like it comes from a jeweler. And then when I open it, it had this gorgeous little card in it with his logo and a little explanation of old world history. And the presentation, I've got to say, Frenchie, you're killing it.

2:26:32SpeakerIt was absolutely beautiful. It was like getting, this is the nicest presentation for a gram of happiness that I've ever gotten in my life. That's awesome. What got you to... What's up, Reggie? This is not me, actually. This is Leo from Aficionado. This is an expansion of the seed company, and the presentation of the seed are jewelry box, lacquered, black, so it really is part of... Of the look of the aficionado, Leo made me the surprise, actually.

2:27:11SpeakerIt has nothing to do with me, actually. I love him. He's always humble. Yeah. Well, hash has a lot to do with you. So how long have you been making hash? What got you into this? I started to make hash as soon as I started to smoke it, basically. And then when I was a kid, I really waited for my 18 years old to be able to be free and travel.

2:27:38SpeakerAnd then that's all I did for 18 years. And in those 18 years, I would spend at least three or four months in a producing country. To get the stock for the year and go and smoke it on the beach, literally. I was a bum. It's not that I was going in this country really to learn the art. It's just that I was going far enough to get the best qualities that I was doing it with the local.

2:28:04SpeakerThat makes sense. So how long has it been that you've been doing this now? Over 40 years. Wow. Wow. Well, you certainly got the hang of it. So what are some of the things you do that you feel like is old school and mixing with the new school? It's like basically the only really new methodologies that change the game in the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of years that we've been making concentrate, it's the washing machine and water.

2:28:39SpeakerBecause instead of sieving and agitating at the same times, you can agitate and sieve. Most people don't really use their bag as a sieve, but you really have two different parts of the process so that you can really fine-tune each. The only con with water, it's drying. And it's very hard, but I wouldn't go back to dry sieving until it's proven that I'm losing more terpene in my water than I would lose in my sieving room.

2:29:21SpeakerThat makes sense. So water has actually played a big role in your hash evolution. Here in Australia definitely all my knowledge of traditional methodology that I learned left and right in all these countries has been adapted to water.

2:29:45SpeakerBut I didn't really learn anything. It's like here you make really a big deal of me. But if I go back to Europe or when I go back to my friend in India and those producing countries, we press ash. There's a really huge difference between me and you guys. I don't separate my micron. I want a full spectrum. And I press my ash because I can age it.

2:30:12SpeakerI can bring it to that higher level where when you press a mass of resin, You make a chemical reaction happen. That mass of resin is not that individual resin head that you're trying to keep separated against nature in your fridge. When you make a mass of resin, it becomes something grander. It's like wine. It's like you bring that resin to that higher stage and you get greatness.

2:30:42SpeakerWhen you age resin, it's like You can really bring it to another level. I don't think we can do it with every type of genetic. Like wines, there must be some genetics that are better young, but there is some ash that I have seen aged ash. I'm working with the same genetic today that has been even breeded further, and I'm miles away from a piece of ash that is five years old.

2:31:16BubblemanWell, I do have some nine-year-old stuff that you would just love here, Frenchy. You would have an absolute real love. Fingers on this. This is a nine-years-old bubble hash. It's got an almost purple look to it, reddish purple when you get close up to it. And it's full melt. It bubbles and that's craziness. Now I've cured a little bit of it differently. I've got some other pieces here that I eventually flattened out and let them dry out at room temperature.

2:31:47BubblemanAnd look how different they look. That's the same hash right there.

2:31:54SpeakerIn your left hand, it was unpressed.

2:31:56BubblemanThis was unpressed. This was never pressed. It was goop like this that I put out on an oil slick pad like this, and then the weight of it turned to this.

2:32:08SpeakerWow. That's cream.

2:32:10BubblemanThis tastes like perfume. People don't think it's real when I smoke it with them.

2:32:16SpeakerWas that left in the sun?

2:32:18BubblemanNo.

2:32:19SpeakerNo.

2:32:23SpeakerHold on, let me just clarify. Mark, you know better than to leave your hat in the sun? Is that what I'm hearing?

2:32:30BubblemanYeah, well, I do a little bit, but what I mean is it was never heated up. This stuff flattened on its own, and if I were to bend it, it would just go crack.

2:32:42BubblemanIt would both taste very good.

2:32:45SpeakerThat looks like a straight flake of CBN.

2:32:50BubblemanThat's what it looks like.

2:32:54SpeakerDid you have John Ruffello tested?

2:32:57BubblemanNo, I did not have John Ruffello tested, but I'll test it.

2:33:00SpeakerYou don't know. So have John Ruffello test that red chip weird shit that you've been hanging on to for 10 years and see what's in it. No, but you know what? That stuff is aged and dead. And I'm curious to see what's in it.

2:33:19BubblemanListen, Tony, the taste of this is so amazing, I can't even explain it to you. It's like perfume. It's insane. If I didn't know it was just hash, and someone smoked it with me, I'd say, dude, I don't know what the fuck that guy put in that hash, but it tasted like my grandma's perfume or something. This tastes like perfume, bro, I'm telling you.

2:33:41SpeakerIt's aged turps and CVN. I bet you it's very low THC. It's the taste. It definitely slightly tastes like potpourri, like you know the little jar of flowers? That's definitely the flavor that I got. Where did you keep your stash, man? Is it possible?

2:34:13BubblemanTrust me, it's the hash. It is the hash.

2:34:16SpeakerIs it possible that a potpourri flower a long time ago got close to your head stash and you jarred it up and you thought it was... We are an anti-potpourri family.

2:34:28BubblemanOur family is against potpourri.

2:34:33BubblemanWe have absolutely no support for the potpourri family or their products. And how was it stored, Mark? How was it stored? Well, I stored a bunch of it differently, but this stuff that tastes the most unique, I eventually took it out of the fridge, I left it at room temperature, and I kept it in like a wooden box. It was on an oil slick, sitting on a wooden box, and it just shrunk down, and for like the last...

2:35:06BubblemanFive years it's just been sitting protected between two oil slicks like this. And I'm telling you, it's definitely not bad. I know that Frenchie would have a deep appreciation for this.

2:35:21SpeakerWhat it is, is it really opened my eyes.

2:35:26BubblemanIt opened my eyes to the uniqueness of curing hash out and removing terpenes that were masking the flavors of other terpenes. Which I would think is a good portion of why Frenchie would be curing, because the curing is not only aging these proper terpenes into their flavors, but it's evaporating others completely that sometime mask the taste and the smell and the enjoyment of the ones that are underneath this more caustic, maybe monoterpene that's like a blanket over the hash.

2:35:59BubblemanYou get rid of it, sometimes you release a nicer bouquet. Would the panel not agree?

2:36:09AdamYeah, it could definitely leave the sesquiterpenes and evaporate more of the monoterpenes, for sure.

2:36:16SpeakerRight.

2:36:20SpeakerHow long do you like to age yourself?

2:36:21AdamAnd also, too, remember that they recently found a new product, which I think they named Hashin or something like that. It's a degradation product of the other terpenes. Is that what it is? Yes.

2:36:41BubblemanMuch like CBN is a degradation product of TMT.

2:36:45SpeakerExactly. You have a giant puck of Hashin CBN, my friend. That's not so sure. That's not so sure. I have tested five years old ash. You have 0.9% of CBN for over 80% of cannabinoid. It all depends how it was pressed. Once it's pressed, only the shell outside would keep oxidizing and degrading THC into CBN. The inside doesn't move. The only time in my life where I have truly seen a royal Nepalese temple bowl, the bowl was 10 years old.

2:37:27SpeakerThe outside looked like really a shitty, hard, not even resinous bowl. When you break it open, there is a whole creaminess of the resin untouched, and the stuff had the flavor. When you age, You lose that first sharpness of terpene so that like when you smoke something fresh, it builds up in the mouth like by little level. When you smoke an aged ash, it takes your mouth super smoothly, you don't feel it.

2:38:08SpeakerAnd then behind it, you have the layer of terpene that come and build up slowly, slowly. It's literally not the same experience. And if there is CBN, it puts you to sleep. And when you press ash well and it's well aged, you don't go to sleep smoking that. That means you have a very low level of CBN. CBN just shows that you have used too much heat when you were doing your decarboxylation or too long.

2:38:41BubblemanIt's like... Yeah, that speeds it up for sure.

2:38:43SpeakerPressing... Pressing and pressing specifically, it's an art form. It's like people have been pressing resin for tens of thousands of years and it's a pain. Do you think that the people who invented the game would be pressing raising pointlessly for tens of thousands of years? I don't think so. And if there is something that we really need to check scientifically, it's what's behind pressing, what comes from aging.

2:39:13SpeakerBecause this, we can bring the game way further than it has ever been.

2:39:19BubblemanWell, it just takes having hash to be able to age hash. People ask me all the time, how the hell do you have a piece of hash that's nine years old? And I say, oh, I've got plenty of pieces of hash that are nine years old. I've got some five-year-old ones. I've got some... Like, of course, you want to put some in an experiment with how you put...

2:39:35SpeakerIn Afghanistan, in Afghanistan, they used to keep the crystals unpressed in clay jars covered with beeswax. And we'd only actually start to press it when they were ready to smoke it.

2:39:52SpeakerI agree with Frenchy. It was more of an American way of busting Canadian friends' balls by saying, you have a piece of CBN. He has to go get it tested so we can see what's in it. I agree 100%. If you use heat... If you have heat in your process, in a 10-year process, you'll see more CVM, but I'm curious to see what's in it. Zero heat.

2:40:24BubblemanZero heat. This pressed itself at room temperature like that.

2:40:33SpeakerNever seen it. How did you keep it stored, though? How have you kept it stored for 10 years? Is this in like...

2:40:41BubblemanWell, I have three different batches of it that are three different textures. I have this one that's as hard as a rock.

2:40:50BubblemanOkay, it's been held one way. This stuff, which is in a glass sealed jar, is still gummy. It's squishy like a marshmallow. It's just like this is the stuff out of the three of these that guaranteed Frenchie would be like, oh, let me see that one. What's going on over there? Okay. Start playing around with it. These other two are rock hard like wafers that you have to break a piece off.

2:41:13BubblemanYou drop it on the nail and then it melts into a very, you know, red liquid. I'm not going to lie. It's definitely got your CBN color. And what color was it when you put it away? It was always pretty dark hash. It was water hash, and the way it got kind of cured before it got made, made for a very dark water hash.

2:41:40AdamYou can remember all the water hash stuff we made in Jamaica would always come out like that reddish.

2:41:46BubblemanDo you remember the stuff we made in Jamaica that was bubbling on the cardboard?

2:41:50AdamYeah, well, you know, that's because they knew you were Bubble Man. They wanted to treat us right.

2:41:57BubblemanDude, I'll tell you, they treated us right. That was the first time I ever saw you not snob away water hash.

2:42:06AdamI ran out of dry sift too. You totally did.

2:42:12SpeakerThat's funny. Well, there's the honest truth of the reason, right?

2:42:16BubblemanWell, at the same time, I'll never forget him saying, I bet you this water hash is 70% THC. And at the time, this was many, many years ago, I was thinking, wow, like, He is probably like 2% off maximum, if anything. And I just thought in my mind, what possible history could you live that you knew stuff like that, that you just had an in-house lab that was just testing so many things over the years that you just knew what something would test by trying it.

2:42:48BubblemanThat's an impressive skill.

2:42:52AdamWell, to a certain degree, you can tell by how much it bubbles. I mean, I'm sure Frenchie, you, everybody who's been deeply involved with hash knows that if you have a really good piece and you heat it with fire, it doesn't really combust and it bubbles and melts and goes crazy liquid first.

2:43:15SpeakerYeah. Bubble hash for me was certainly not water hash. It was actually dry sieve that bubbled. Does it bubble was always the question.

2:43:24BubblemanYeah. Well, if it don't bubble... It ain't worth the trouble. That's what they want.

2:43:30SpeakerI agree with that, guys. There is much more than bubbling. It's like you're so focused on the melt. We were, yes. It led down our road.

2:43:43AdamIt just led us down the path. The only reason, Frenchy, is because there's a direct association between high terpene and THC content and heavily bubbling. Ask Bubble Man. You can ask me. If it bubbles more, it's usually better.

2:44:02SpeakerIt's like a bubble. It's how much resin has been formed in the resin head, which is an important point of quality. But how much cannabinoids are inside that resin, how wide the spectrum, how much terpene, how wide the spectrum of terpene, I think, is as much important, if not, than the melt. And the more resin that is formed, actually the less terpene you have in the resin head because it's the bonding of the phenol and the terpene inside that resin head that create the cannabinoid.

2:44:42SpeakerSo that when you pick up a full spectrum like me, I have that full melt, but I have a lot more terpene profile to reach because I reach into those resin heads that have Not the meds that you're looking for, but they're loaded with terpenes that are not yet transformed into cannabinoids.

2:45:07AdamRight, but... Is the plant still alive or is it dead? Because once the plant's dead, no, cannabinoid biosynthesis is over.

2:45:19BubblemanThen it's just degradation. Absolutely. The only thing I'll say is this. When we took the most epic qualities, Dr. Atomic brought pounds of his perfectly grown cannabis over to my house one time and we Turned it into just this stained glass window water hash. It was so beautiful. It had flavor and it had the look and it melted into a liquid and it was just all around beautiful, beautiful hash.

2:45:47BubblemanAnd I ended up taking it to Bob Marley's birthday bash, smoked it with many Rastafarians who had never really smoked anything like it. They were all like in awe of it. And more importantly, he brought it to Nepal for Shivaratri, which was a huge celebration that happens for months. This was back in the day when the king still brought out the ornate log from the palace and all the hash was on it and the puja was being given to the sadhus.

2:46:17BubblemanAnd he brought this hash and how it was being done in his circle was you went to these gatherings and there was a table with many plates of hash out and everyone just smoked and it wasn't a contest but generally whoever's plate was empty first. Thank you for watching.

2:46:50BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:47:08BubblemanAbout a really nice, high quality, melty resin. There's something about looking at it melting and bubbling that also makes me feel like I'm getting something out of this experience. And I don't know if I'm just creating that in my own mind, but I'm always a little bit more disappointed when my product just sizzles.

2:47:30AdamWell, I... I mean, I'm blocking it.

2:47:36SpeakerYou should close your eyes when you smoke, and I appreciate all the level of goodness in what you're experiencing in your mouth more than the eyes. I mean, in fact, I understand the pleasure of the eyes, but you don't really taste and appreciate with the eyes. Thank you so much, baby. We're smoking in your honor. We love you, my Cuban d'amour.

2:48:03BubblemanYou don't appreciate with your eyes. Have you never seen a woman?

2:48:09SpeakerNo, no, no, but I mean, it's like, I'm talking about experiences, food, and something with a taste bud and a nose.

2:48:17BubblemanBut you're talking about a culture now that appreciates food by photographing it.

2:48:22SpeakerYeah, but it's like, I can fake food. I can trick your eyes. I will never be able to trick your palate and your nose. If it doesn't taste good, it cannot be good. But it could have looked damn good on the other hand. You see?

2:48:38BubblemanYeah, well, looks is just the first. I don't test only with my eyes. My eyes are the beginning. And they are pretty accurate. They don't let me down too much. But definitely, I don't just look with my eyes and then tell someone I know what the quality is. I know better than that. I know that I need to taste it.

2:48:57SpeakerYeah, I understand that. But you understand my point. It's like we need to educate the people beyond the melt. We have a scoring system that is not only a six-star melt. We need to be able to have the people experience a different level of degustation, I would say. So that when somebody buys a product, he can understand the value of it because there is a whole... There is a world dimension of what represent quality.

2:49:33BubblemanWell, that's why you're doing what you're doing. That's why you're taking the path that you're taking, and we appreciate that you're doing that, and we're stoked to have you here on Hash to share your story.

2:49:44AdamI absolutely agree, Frenchy, that pressing hash can make it taste better for you and many other people.

2:49:57AdamThere is a limit to the amount of improvement it can't do. You can't press hash and change the terpenes into cannabinoids.

2:50:05SpeakerThat just doesn't happen. Oh, we do agree. Yeah, no, it's an art. It's like to lock everything inside. It's not easy. Can I just throw something up? Frenchy just threw me a curveball. Who else has one of these ember sticks? I have one. It gets hot. This is awesome. What the hell is this, Frenchy? It's a gift. It's a killer gift. I've always been a lighter connoisseur, and this is next level shit.

2:50:33SpeakerI don't have any taste of gas. I don't use a flame anymore, and that's a real gift. When you smoke quality, to be able to really experience totally the... The full goodness of the product is mandatory. It is so good. There's another one, Archie. Something else. At this moment, I am getting sued by the Dutch government for producing... No. ...in court one time, and now on the 22nd of March, I will be there in front of three judges instead of one.

2:51:12SpeakerOh, really, you're going to beat them. They're stupid to them. What are they suing her for? For selling hash-making equipment, and it's, well, yeah, to help them make hash. Wow. So what happened in the Netherlands is they started going out to grow shops that were basically supplying growers and hash makers with the tools they needed to do it. You would be a criminal there too, Mark, under their law.

2:51:39SpeakerSo they went and they raided Mielis. Is it the Hemp Hotel? No, no, no. We just got a letter that my company was now illegal and the people working there also. And then what happened next was that they confiscated... A bunch of bags that was arriving by customs took it. Now they looked into it, what they're all for, and it's kind of crazy that this is happening in Holland.

2:52:08SpeakerNeil, when was the first medical cultivation?

2:52:14SpeakerAnd, you know, these are the type of things, these are the stars that break the camel's back. And prosecuting you, someone that is so knowledgeable and so ingrained in the community in Amsterdam, for as long as I've been visiting, you've been the hash queen in my world. You know, for over 20 years, you were the one that brought us the pollinator, we were tumbling our buds. I mean, you've been such a pivotal person for us in educating us about hashish.

2:52:38SpeakerI think the government has made a grave mistake. Well, my lawyer is quite confident because he says in the first place you don't have a grow shop, you don't sell anything to grow with, and also my products only come after the harvest, so they're not enticing people to grow. So let's see what happens. Absolutely no idea what the whole thing was about of separating crystals or anything.

2:53:11AdamAnd Mila, when did you get the letter? Was that about March 11th?

2:53:17SpeakerYeah.

2:53:21AdamYeah, a bunch of other people I know got letters too.

2:53:24SpeakerYeah, I know, I know. And because we were not a grow shop, we don't sell lamps or anything, we thought we were okay. And now let's see what happens. Like I said, I feel very confident that we're going to win this case.

2:53:41AdamWell, I hope you do.

2:53:44SpeakerYeah, for those listening, Holland has really gone backwards in policy in the last decades. I mean, a few years ago, they wouldn't even allow High Times to rent a facility to have the business part of the Cannabis Cup, the Expo, and it was effectively the last Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam. It was really depressing for a lot of people that have made the journey, and then if it wasn't such a coffee shop event, there would have been nothing to do.

2:54:07SpeakerSo it's been really difficult, the political pressure that the conservative government's been putting on the cannabis community in Holland, and I hope it changes.

2:54:19AdamWhat's really funny, Mila, is Holland was a world leader in cannabis for a decade or two, and now they're just left in the dust. Now the rest of the world's going to legalize and laugh at Holland's, you know, trailing the pack.

2:54:35SpeakerExactly, exactly. Well, in a weird way, the tale of the drug war dragon has finally hit Holland, and it's so surprising that they didn't resist it or duck because they were really leading the way in a clear-headed policy for so long. They didn't give up when they became part of the common market in Europe. It's huge. They have been fighting every country in Europe to keep their policy, and now when it's changing, they're changing.

2:55:06SpeakerIt's like, what? I love it. Why aren't you sitting here pressing hash as we have a conversation? Because, you know, when you're idle and you're a hash maker, what do you do but make hash, right?

2:55:17BubblemanPress hash, make hash, smoke hash.

2:55:19SpeakerIt's called the ember. It's called the ember, for those of you watching. E-M-B-U-R, and the tip looks to be ceramic or something. It's a little ceramic rod. You can get it only online, I think. Unbelievable. I love it. Ember.com.

2:55:38SpeakerForce me. Go ahead. Force me. So I came back because there was some talking about testing some of that 11-year-old hash. I had to come back in and say hello quickly because I was in chat. And we should take a look at that, Mark. I would love to look at it. I'm pretty sure there'll be no THC in it, but we'll see.

2:55:57AdamAnd John, do you have an average level of terpene content from Bud and Rosen and stuff like that?

2:56:08SpeakerDo I have terpene? I don't have terpenes. No, I have Bud from like 15 years ago in jars when I first grow. I got stuff I de-carved in 2010. I got stuff in the freezer for the last 10 years. We've watched it degrade over time.

2:56:21AdamWhat I really meant was just recent stuff. I was wondering what the terpene levels were, Brad.

2:56:26SpeakerI just got my catalog to get my terpene column sent up, so I won't be testing terpenes until next month.

2:56:34AdamOkay, rock and roll. I'll be excited when you do.

2:56:37SpeakerYeah, so I'm just in the midst of getting all of that data and learning about that. That's kind of...

2:56:42AdamAnd what are you using for that? GCFID?

2:56:46SpeakerYes, the SRI8106C, and it's specifically a GC made for testing cannabinoids and terpenes.

2:56:56AdamThat FID is great for terpenes. That's what we used to use.

2:57:00SpeakerPerfect. And it looks like it's extracting differently. It's actually extracting the gas and putting it into the column. So I thought it would be going into a solid, but it's not. So it's heated into a jar where it's then evaporated into the jar and then you pull that out and put that into the column. It's interesting.

2:57:22AdamSometimes you see head space units that are more solid state sampling than they can especially be useful when you want to test for solvents because if you're using a GC, you have to extract your sample with the solvent If you're testing for solvents, that's kind of a bitch.

2:57:43SpeakerYeah, pretty much you are. That's the beginning stages of seeing the methanol or whatever you're using normally in the first three or four seconds of the injection is normally when the methanol comes off. Other compounds, as you know, come off in those first three or four minutes is when I see any kind of other chemicals or anything else that's been sprayed in the plant. Normally it comes off in those first couple minutes of the process of the oven heating because they're a larger molecule, I assume.

2:58:12SpeakerInteresting, but yeah, I tested my MediCush after about four years and it definitely had a different profile. The TC had degraded. The CBD was completely gone and all over to CBN. That was what I saw, more of the CBD being gone. But that was just beginning testing right now until, of course, I get this off my neck and then I can test more.

2:58:39SpeakerThat's it. We'll see you shortly with that hash. Right on for hanging in there, John.

2:58:52BubblemanI still kind of can't get over this Dutch government thing. Like I never really heard much about this. Like what, just a ton of people got letters and they're going to be like, this is a scary thing.

2:59:01SpeakerWell, it's mainly meant that grow shop shouldn't be selling to large growers. But the whole thing is ridiculous. The cops came to one grocery shop and they confiscated 600 grinders. Now, what do the grinders have anything to do with large scale? And also at his shop, they removed all the small bags of wooden castings but left the 20 kilo sacks. You know, they're just crazy. But it's mainly meant that you shouldn't be selling too big.

2:59:36SpeakerThere's no method to their madness, Mila. It's more of harassment. It's more to intimidate people, to get them out of business, and to make them want to give up on this advocacy.

2:59:47AdamAll the grow shops have either gone out of business or they've gone to a general gardening center.

2:59:54BubblemanWow. How fast things change. Hey, I just noticed that Matt Ries was in the room here. I don't know if he can hear us talking or not. Welcome, Matt.

3:00:07BubblemanCuban is also back in the room. He hasn't said anything yet. How are you doing, Cuban?

3:00:14SpeakerI'm going to allow another space. I'll back out, guys. Peace. Great seeing you guys all. I respect you, always.

3:00:22BubblemanPeace, Johnny. You came through real quiet, Cuban, for whatever reason. I don't know why that was.

3:00:27SpeakerCan you hear me good or no?

3:00:28BubblemanOh, yeah. Now we can.

3:00:30SpeakerAll right, sweetie. No, yeah, I was having technical issues. I tried using the laptop so I could hang out with my wife in the kitchen, but it wasn't really working. But it's nice to be on this panel, though, man, a lot. A little feedback there. Sorry about that, Cuban.

3:00:56BubblemanThere was a little feedback that was coming through there. I think it's time to smoke a bowl.

3:01:04SpeakerLet's do it.

3:01:07BubblemanLet's do it. Talk about 11-hydroxy-THC, specifically John B. Well, that will be a little bit hard to do because John B. is not in the room anymore. We'll have to pick that up another time. Can you ask Frenchy what his favorite cultivar or terpene profile is? Sure, I can ask Frenchy that.

3:01:27SpeakerWhat's your favorite cultivar or terpene profile? I don't do favoritism. It's like... All my life, I had only half a dozen producing countries to satisfy my search for terpene. So you have like, every country has a certain terpene profile. It changes. Through quality more than really phenotype even. The only place where I really experienced terroir and a difference between valley and plant was in India when I did charas.

3:02:09SpeakerBut here, for me, every time it's like stepping in a new producing country. It's a whole new world. So there is no way right now that I can say that I like one more than any other. I really like sour, and I have a sweet tooth. So sour and sweet is really something I enjoy particularly, but I'm more fascinated by the diversity that I have at my disposition.

3:02:44SpeakerIt's dreamland, literally, for a hash maker. I have no words to describe what I feel for all the diversity I have at my fingertips. I like. Perfect. I like their response. You know, how many people are using haze varieties, longer flowering varieties, to make They're hash now. I think that that's what's going to see a re-emergence into the scene now that more people can feel relaxed and grow their gardens for longer periods without the fear of, you know, get in and get out as quickly as possible.

3:03:21BubblemanI hope so. It's one of the mindsets that I'm not against short flowering plants. I'm just against the prohibition mindset that corrals people's opinions into we've got to get the six weekers going, we've got to get the big heavy yields, we've got all these sort of Prohibition bummers that it's cool if you want to grow that.

3:03:41SpeakerA lot of those plants have got kicked out of my garden time and time again and a lot of the plants I like the most are not the big ones. They're not the fastest growers. They're not the ones that actually will show off the biggest buds, but they're the ones that when I smoke them, I like them the most. And I think the cannabis is going to go into a little turnaround where we're starting to see cannabis come in packages or come in joints and people will stop judging it based on big, gnarly, thick, dense buds and they'll start judging it on the effect and the taste and the scent and the way it makes them feel.

3:04:12SpeakerYeah.

3:04:15SpeakerIt's inevitably heading...

3:04:16BubblemanIt's good as it should.

3:04:19SpeakerYeah.

3:04:22BubblemanAs they should, you know. That's the path is, there's so many different paths in cannabis. Cannabis is much like the spiritual world of India. There's so many different belief systems, but they all kind of in the back pocket believe that no matter what you believe, it's kind of what they believe too. Even though you're believing it a little differently, it's fine, it's cool, we'll all get to the same place eventually, so.

3:04:47BubblemanI appreciate it that there's so many different roads and, you know, we don't have to convince each other that this needs to be the road that you're on, but we can certainly come over and do a little traveling on each other's roads and experience all these different perspectives of the resin and the way we experience it.

3:05:08SpeakerCuban's going in for a rip. Nope, that was a picture.

3:05:18BubblemanThey're all muted out. West Coast hitting it.

3:05:24BubblemanMore West Coast hitting it. Hotel room hitting it. Yup. I feel you guys. I feel you guys. 1,016 viewers watching Hash Church right now. Several, I don't know, 500, 600, 700 of them in the chat room.

3:05:43SpeakerYo, it almost feels like everybody's frozen, too, on my side over here.

3:05:48BubblemanI think it's just because everyone's quiet.

3:05:51SpeakerNow it's just stuck in space like boom.

3:06:02SpeakerMaybe not something that you do yourself or have somebody, but what's your go-to?

3:06:09BubblemanI had to mute Neil's mic for a second there, Tony. Grace.

3:06:18BubblemanDabs up. Maybe hold that pinky up a little bit more. There you go.

3:06:29BubblemanWe need better cameras on Hash Church. I want macro cameras. Cameras in cameras like the way Cuban used to come in. He set the bar and none of us fucking have since done that. It would be so nice. To have like the MPE macro lens set up with a camera inside a camera and be able to show people the quality of the hash or whatever it is that you're, you know, playing with at that time.

3:06:53BubblemanThat would be epic.

3:06:56SpeakerYou're doing really good with your little mat that I saw there. Awesome.

3:07:01BubblemanOh yeah, yeah. These little guys.

3:07:03SpeakerYeah, they are really cool. That's, yeah.

3:07:06BubblemanThat's an oil slick product. You can do these too, man.

3:07:10SpeakerTo reach out to people to make them understand how rich it is.

3:07:15BubblemanYeah, yeah. This is a cool product that Oil Slicks is doing and they're offering it to all sorts of different people if they want to get their photography or to promote their companies or to just even whatever. I made a bunch of gifts just to give out to my snowmobiler friends. Nice. Tony's got the trichome one.

3:07:38BubblemanThat's kind of fun. I think that that's a neat idea. I'm not sure.

3:07:47BubblemanI'm not sure if that is even Matt Rice. Did someone send a link to Matt Rice?

3:07:52SpeakerIt is him for sure.

3:07:54BubblemanOkay, well.

3:07:57SpeakerOh, there he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that boy right there.

3:08:04BubblemanYeah. Nice. Ajara Hash. Welcome, Matt Rise. How are you doing, Matt?

3:08:12SpeakerHello, everyone. Can you hear me now?

3:08:20BubblemanI can hear you.

3:08:22SpeakerAwesome. What's up, man? Good to hear your voice.

3:08:24BubblemanYeah, man. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. I was a little surprised.

3:08:29SpeakerWell, you know, I snuck in in the back just to troll a little bit. I want to say happy Valentine's Day to Mila. Thank you for what you do. I use your bags every day. Every day. I think about you every day. Anyways, happy Valentine's to all you guys. Just sitting here packaging up hash. It's a Sunday. It's what we do. You know, another day. So Matt, what year did you first make hash?

3:08:57SpeakerI started making hash in high school, so that was like 1999. And...

3:09:03SpeakerMy mom kind of told me about it and I found her screens in my grandma's garage and I just started hashing the weed that I smoked and I can't really smoke weed. It hurts my lungs. So it's always been crucial for me to hash. Dry sift or water hash? Yeah, it was just dry sift at first. I didn't know about water hash really until like 2004, 2005.

3:09:25SpeakerThat's when I got into the water hash.

3:09:29SpeakerAnd it was just little amounts, so it was always easier to do dry sift. And then I finally made it to California, and I started seeing huge bags of trim, and I was like, okay, now we can do this ice water thing, and here we are.

3:09:44SpeakerAnd let's see, recent updates in the hash world, we've got retail up to 220 a gram now, which I just think the better the hash is, the more it's going to cost, and The real limit on the hash market right now is how expensive it can be. We make grams that cost way more than $200 a gram to make, and we just can't sell them because people get upset.

3:10:08SpeakerAnd so now we're coming to a point where we can just tell people, hey, this is what it costs. We can finally sell. Why does it cost $200 a gram to make? Is it the raw material? Yeah, we're washing. We're just doing it by the light, so we're washing indoor, whole flowers, the tops and the smalls. The farmers I work with are getting really high prices on their flowers, like well over $3,000 a pound.

3:10:33SpeakerSo I have to get them that same amount to wash it or it's a loss. So that drives the price up. It's strain to strain. Right now we're doing this flavor chasing and the strains we go for are not bred for hash in any way. We're getting like 3% yields in the full melt and you know more in the not full melt but what people really want is hash they can dab.

3:10:56SpeakerSo those, recently I did some citrus sap which is a tangy cross. We got about 15 grams of really good melt per pound of nugs. It's just, it adds up quick you know and we're at a place where people are starting to understand this and I can actually drop hash that's the same quality of what I smoke which I haven't done in a long time. I've been keeping the best hash pretty much for the last six, seven years, and now I can actually drop my head stash, and it's really cool to see pictures of it, other people enjoying it, and just it being appreciated for the expensive, hard to make, hard to grow product that we're doing, you know?

3:11:36SpeakerEspecially all these tangy crosses that we're working right now, they are just brutal, and it just is what it is. We're trying to make a full melt that tastes like oranges, and it's not That's not how the genetics work out. The more orangey it tastes, the less it melts. So it's just, you know, we're chasing flavor. We're chasing full melt, dabbleable water hash. Anything else is going to get rotten.

3:11:59AdamI don't know what to say about $200 a gram. I think that's an artifact of the illegality, growing it under lights, and prohibition.

3:12:08SpeakerWell, that's a big part of it. We can't do any of this without breaking a bunch of laws. That's just how it is. I can't drive a car full of fresh frozen material that weighs 40 pounds. There's all these little things about it like that. And transporting itself is not easy. When I'm getting fresh frozen driven from hours away, it takes a lot of pre-planning and freezing and dry ice.

3:12:33SpeakerAnd then someone's got to make it to drive, you know? We've got 28 full coming, and I think that things are going to change. We're going to be able to do this. We're going to have permits and licenses. And Invoices and all that. Taxes. All that good stuff.

3:12:50BubblemanSo who sent you the Hash Church link today, Matt? That's an anonymous tip. Sorry. Well, no, because I send it out to every person, so it's like someone I sent it to sent it to you, and I'm just wondering who that is.

3:13:08SpeakerI actually asked a friend for the link because people have just been asking me to come on again and again and again. And I went to the farmer's market early.

3:13:16BubblemanI mean you definitely have definitely spiced up the chat room. People are going off, dude. Like they're saying all sorts of crazy shit right now in there. I don't know what to quite say about it. It wasn't me, man.

3:13:29SpeakerI love you, Cuban. No, man. People can talk. It's okay.

3:13:35BubblemanThey love to talk about... Listen, the reason I don't mind that you came in is that, you know, you are a name that is synonymous in the world of hatch making, whether people like, you know, there's a conversation online going of, oh, Matt this and Matt that, and And it's like, no, no, Matt gets hate because he tells the truth or whatever. And I'm like, well, you know, I remember personally Matt being a little bit mean.

3:13:59BubblemanAnd that's why I have this problem.

3:14:02SpeakerI earn quite a bit of hate. I've been in this industry publicly for probably seven years now. I've made fun of half the people who are still in the industry at some point five years ago. I don't even remember. Me and you went back and forth. It is what it is, you know. I came in this industry and I changed up the way people think about making hash.

3:14:23SpeakerAnd you can't do that without stepping on toes and hurting feelings. And then the separate part of that is business, you know. People who compete with me don't like me. I don't want to brag or anything. It is what it is, you know.

3:14:38BubblemanWell, Hashtag isn't as much about the business aspect of the hash and that's why, you know, like we're able to come in and have these gatherings with this panel of people and just talk about different things in the hash making world that we agree about and disagree about without really like having to choose, you know, camps. I think that the prohibitionists always loved that we would fight with ourselves and that we would separate ourselves and then thus be less powerful because we weren't And that's sort of why what I did with my YouTube channel, rather than focus on my own traction that I was building through this Bubble Man thing, I thought what could be much better and really more useful to the community and what's more useful than being able to invite a bunch of incredible people from the community, love them or hate them, they all have their different opinions and they all have their experiences and it's sort of become what This experience is, and don't get me wrong, people still talk a ton of shit about Hash Church, and that's all right.

3:15:43BubblemanThey're entitled to their opinion.

3:15:45SpeakerPeople love to hate. People love to hate. It is what it is. People do love to hate. They asked me to squash my beef with you, and I want people to know that I don't have beef with Bubble Man. I use Bubble Man's wash bags. I've been giving you direct feedback on your product for five or six years now, and You changed the design of the wash bag a little bit, and I really appreciate that.

3:16:08SpeakerI mean, this is what I do for a living. I use meatless drain bags. I use your wash bags. I use the Bubble Now machine. It's just, you know, everyone asks what I do and who I'm for and who I'm against. And if you make hash professionally, you're amateurish, I'm for you because I just love people to make hash. It's what I've enjoyed for a long time.

3:16:27SpeakerHalf my life I've been growing and making hash.

3:16:31AdamDo you like dry sift or water hash better?

3:16:35SpeakerSorry, I thank you for being here, Todd McCormick. I don't know you, bro. Whatever. I like both. I started out making dry sift really slowly just from the trim I had from my buds. Then from, as I stepped up in the weed game from pounds and QPs and started growing and I sort of hashed all my own stuff. Now I mostly smoke bubble hash, water hash, whatever you want to call it.

3:16:59SpeakerThat's only because I don't have Cuban's hash and I can't afford to buy it at the store. It is what it is, you know. We can't afford to stuff. Isn't Cuban's cheaper than yours? I'd say Cuban and I are pretty much at the same level. Our best stuff goes for about the same. I don't even sell hash no more, G. I don't make no drops. Fuck $200 a gram.

3:17:20SpeakerI don't like that shit. I ain't about all that price high, dog. Everybody that saw me at the cup is $100 a gram all day, every day, forever from me. And my shit is indoor always. You know what I mean? And I'm not running 3% strains, you know? 80 to 100... What Cuban does, I wouldn't do it for myself. Yeah. I see you ice water. There is a huge difference in the technique, my friend.

3:17:51SpeakerYeah, and you can sell all the $200 grams all you want, bro. That's all you. I mean, the wholesale price and the retail price is obviously not the same. I don't. Yeah, wholesale price, the big price, and I only sell hash or cups, bro. I don't make drops. But, yeah, who asked? I took a stand against that shit. I took a stand against it, though, you know?

3:18:13SpeakerI didn't let the shops keep whoring me out, bro. I ain't with that shit. $100 a gram every day forever. The shops want it. I'll sell it for $80. They can sell it for $100. If not... Fuck that. That's the truth. We're not on the same field. You want to smoke my ass? You can buy it. $100 a gram. You ain't going to buy it from me, though.

3:18:35SpeakerI'll go get you somebody else to meet up with you, dog. All right, I'm going to bring this back around here.

3:18:41BubblemanI'm going to take control of this, sort of. The Reigns and bring it back to a little more of a chill vibe here in Hashtag. I mean, hey, if Mila and I can sit back and share stories with smiles, you guys can too.

3:18:57SpeakerWell, what I just want to say is it brings me back to my first point. Everyone's a professional and obsessed and in love with resin. That's why we're all on this today.

3:19:08BubblemanYes. And most people on the panel... There's no denying all the people on the panel make great product. I've seen and photographed most everyone's hash on the panel and the camera doesn't lie in my opinion. I know that it's always important to taste and what not but when I get my macro lens out on some really cleanly well made hash and I see those heads and I I just have an utter and instant appreciation for how special it all is.

3:19:43BubblemanWhen I photographed your hash in Jamaica, Cuban, I was so happy with how it turned out. And I wish I would have photographed it more. I really only took like maybe 10 or 11 shots of that hash total.

3:19:58SpeakerHey, man, I'm back for getting hot on video, man. You know what I mean? That's okay. But, yeah, yeah. Thank you for the pictures. You know, my lady really appreciates.

3:20:14AdamI just wanted to say that as a guy who sort of started the dry sifting fad in the West, that your hash is the first I've seen which really I think might match mine or maybe whatever. It's close. We got to get together. Or maybe whatever. That's all he's going to do.

3:20:33SpeakerOh, boy. You just made my Valentine's Day. It's damn clean. I think he just said, make me better. I'll be your Valentine's Day, bro. Yeah. Wow. Hey, you know what? I'm pretty sure that,

3:20:56SpeakerI don't even want to say it's on the same level, bro. You've been doing it for so long. You inspired me to start making dry sift based on the picks that Mark took. A lot of information that was on old posts that I searched and doing my own work and stuff.

3:21:13AdamIf it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be doing it. But you've got to have a good clone or something that you're using to make it with. You've got to have technique up the wazoo and care about cleanliness. Thank you for watching.

3:21:50SpeakerWhat I realized, man, my first washes is that just about 80% of the varieties I had in my garden didn't melt besides my haze. My haze had that dry, sandy resin, melted really easy, and it put out huge heads. And I had so much keef of it, and everybody had information. There was like the technique with the screens to kind of break material up and get heads out of certain purity, but there was no information on refining keef.

3:22:19SpeakerYou know, and I just started playing with it until I figured it out. It was real nice though.

3:22:27BubblemanNo information about refining life? Not even on refining life?

3:22:32SpeakerWhat do you mean? Hey, you know what? A lot of people came up to me at Hash Church, I mean at high times, and I want to say that it was nice, all the love I received. There was a lot of Hash Church people. Faithful's on that, watch it every week. But one big comment I got a lot was, hey bro, I'm glad that when D420 asked how it is that you clean up your dry sieve, that you just laid it all out.

3:22:58SpeakerAnd I was like, yeah, you know, I kind of did. And they're like, yeah, man, the real ones, man, we bookmarked that episode. So maybe somebody will put it on the comments, maybe it'll get, you know, shortcutted or whatever, but. I've said a lot on the Cuban Tech. People just got to listen, man.

3:23:19BubblemanWow, that rise is still the main source of the conversation that's going on right now in the chat room. That was pretty intense. I do ask that when you, you know, today I gave Nick a tea permission to send the link to Mila, of course, but I don't really give permission to send the link out to just anyone. It's very specific when we give you the links for Hash Church.

3:23:44BubblemanIt's definitely a respectful thing to... To not share that link with anyone that's not invited, and not saying that I didn't want to have Matt come in, it was just a little bit intense and a little bit sort of offing for a second there, so glad we kind of made it through, but yeah, don't be passing out the, Matt's always welcome to contact me if he wants to come and hashtag, it's not like we're super controlling with the link, we just, you know, it's good to have a conversation with me, the person that puts it on, I think it's the best way to get the link to Hash Church rather than private message someone that's on the panel and sort of put them in that situation where they have to decide whether they want to send that link and undermine the Hash Church rules or if they're going to be like undermine their friendship with him.

3:24:34BubblemanSo sorry if you got put in that position, whoever you are, but let's continue on. We still have a good 40 minutes to talk about the wonderful resin that we oh so love. The glandular trichome head where it all goes down. Is that what you're saying? That all of the cannabinoids are biosynthesized inside the glandular head?

3:24:54SpeakerOh, yeah.

3:24:55BubblemanYes, that is what I'm saying. Let's enjoy.

3:24:58SpeakerWell, it was a lot of fun today talking about Hash Silver, and I'm really glad that we spent some time and focused on one of our true loves.

3:25:09BubblemanYeah, I think so as well. I think it's been an incredible group of panelists to come on and share their stories, and I think that we've got a little bit left in us for sure. It's a wonderful thing, you know. I always look forward to our Sunday Hash Churches. This one I really looked forward to. I wanted to give a voice to as many different people as possible in the hash-making community, and I appreciate all of your perspectives, and most importantly...

3:25:38BubblemanI appreciate all of your positions in all of this. So whether you're acknowledged or not acknowledged, I'm saying I acknowledge each and every one of you for what you've done to move this movement forward from where we were in the last 40 years, maybe longer. Mila, 52 years. Dunkman, Sam, 48 or 49 or 50 years. Definitely some people have been at this A long time. And then new people who are being inspired by those very same people have been at it for a short time.

3:26:15BubblemanBut that's how it works. That's how it goes. And that's how if you can connect with those people and pass that information on, it'll just be this beautiful thing of passing on all this knowledge and information that we're Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:26:53BubblemanThey can jail us, they can try to destroy our families, they can take away our freedom, and they can literally put us up against a wall and take everything from us, but they can never take our love away for this plant and this resin, so stoked on that.

3:27:14SpeakerWell, we hope you guys have a good day. We're going to go back off to the business conference and interact with humans. Excellent.

3:27:21BubblemanWell, you just interacted with 1,100 humans, and each and every one of them, thank you guys for coming on. Thanks, Frenchy, for sharing your knowledge and your wisdom.

3:27:29SpeakerIt's so cool to be with you guys. Yeah. Thank you very much for coming on, Frankie, and taking time out. I appreciate it. Please do. Well, see you soon.

3:27:39BubblemanYep. Thank you, sir. Much love. Nice to have Aryan on as well, given his perspective. You've got to appreciate those Strain Hunter videos. I definitely am deeply moved and inspired by the level of quality that they put into those experiences, and it's just pretty cool.

3:28:00SpeakerLovely movies there, really nice ones.

3:28:03BubblemanLovely movies. I think those ones will stand the test of time, personally. Oh, someone's got terps. Someone's doing a terp dip.

3:28:15SpeakerWe should all do a terp dip.

3:28:16BubblemanHave you had the pure terpenes yet, Mila?

3:28:21BubblemanHave you had the pure terpenes, the extracted terpenes from cannabis yet?

3:28:27SpeakerYes, I did. I did. I tried some when I was in the States last time.

3:28:32BubblemanOh, very nice. Yes. They're quite enjoyable. These guys are holding up their jars. They're Terpene Pimps.

3:28:38SpeakerI'm very happy with the resin that's getting made there nowadays.

3:28:43BubblemanYes, that's definitely one of the most exciting things that's happened in the last couple of years. A lot of people fighting on the internet about who did it first and this, that, and the other thing. But, you know, Soil Grown definitely pressed flowers and did that through Instagram. And he started a movement that might have been a burning ember for many years, decades, a century, I don't know.

3:29:05BubblemanBut wow, that guy sure sparked the fire. The flame got going under the Soil Grown. And now everyone's doing it.

3:29:15SpeakerIt's so easy, though.

3:29:17BubblemanNice color.

3:29:19SpeakerNice one. Changed the game for a lot of people, even for me. Now I'm squishing all in my hash, right? But I mean, for me, my hash is what changed everything for me. I think everybody on this panel... It changed them as soon as they had their first hitter, their first token. They knew exactly how much it affected them. That's why our passion is so here. And we hear 40, 30, 20, 10, 5.

3:29:45SpeakerI was probably 5 years old when somehow I got some kind of cannabinoids in me. But I mean, it's great to see everybody here. And it's the hash that has been such a savior for me. 100%. It sure beats painkillers. Oh, you know what? Knowing exactly how much it helped me from before and after the surgery and how much it truly was a medicine, it's, I mean, I hope you don't have to experience it, but for people who do go through it, they really do understand, I mean, that pain taken away from you and understand how the cannabis truly worked.

3:30:21SpeakerIt's like, bong rip. Darren's not here right now, but I had to come and bong rip.

3:30:27BubblemanAnd a question for Sam. When was the first time you made dry sift?

3:30:34AdamWell, I made dry sift in Morocco in 71. But my own plants was here in the Netherlands, really. And it was in, I don't know, maybe 86. What we were doing was we were manicuring, and I realized resin was falling off. So instead of doing it on top of plastic tables, we did it on top of screens. And then we threw away the leaf material or did something else with it, cooked with it.

3:31:16AdamBut the resin that came from under manicuring was really pretty darn good. It would melt and bubble. It was quite smokable.

3:31:25SpeakerThat's how I started also, over a screen, and preferably in a cold room. It took a long time to make any kind of quantity.

3:31:34AdamYeah, they also used to sell these screens at Positronics. I think they were the first ones to sell them, and they got the sizes from us.

3:31:48SpeakerWe used to go and get the screen at the art store.

3:31:51AdamOnce you knew what sizes, you didn't need positronics.

3:31:58BubblemanSo slowly but surely the information came to the people and the people did with it as they would. As more and more of this information becomes common knowledge to people, I'm sure that we will see some very unique industrial machines designed that can do these processes On a field level.

3:32:19AdamOnce I had dry sift, I really didn't want to smoke cannabis particularly anymore. Because every special thing that cannabis has, the dry sift from the same variety has also, at least in my mind. But I know a lot of people who like joints, so yeah, I myself prefer dry sift.

3:32:47BubblemanFor sure. Lots of people love joints. You can never take your joints away from them. Although, when I take all the resin off those joints, they definitely don't enjoy them on the same level.

3:33:01SpeakerI enjoy smoking hash too, but you know, the feeling of being able to roll something up and just pop and think, you know, that's kind of a nice thing. I wish I could roll a joint of nothing but dry sift and it actually burned. That would be nice. It's kind of the same for me anyways. I was going to say like with the rolling of the joint, like we were talking about this actually with Mark maybe a week or two ago and like the hash now is a different thing.

3:33:28SpeakerLike it's like rolling a joint but it's just different. There's still a process, you know, you want to scoop it out, press out a little piece or press out a big piece, cut it up in your little squares or whatever. It's just... It's just a different process, but I know what you mean. I love that process of sitting down, splitting up a wood or whatever, and just rolling up.

3:33:50SpeakerIt was awesome, but I don't know. I personally, anyways, I prefer the dabs with the hash anyways.

3:34:01SpeakerYeah, I mean, I got done with both. I'm dabbing now. But I guess even the high is different. Like if you think about it, yeah, you got the ritual of pressing the hash, right, and cutting it into strips and all that. You take a dab, a big one, let's say, and then you get, you just chill, absorb the high, kind of like, you know, get into the mood.

3:34:20SpeakerBut to me, when I'm smoking a blunt, it's like 30, it's like a slow progression of getting high, especially if you roll a nice fat one. I smoke blunts. It could be a joint, whatever you guys get down with. But just being able to sit back and think about what you've got to do, even if it's a 30-minute break in your day, I need that in my day, man.

3:34:40SpeakerI take pretty small dabs myself, so for me it is a lot of dabs instead of just one or two big ones. But I feel you with the blunt. I definitely am not a blunt hater. I'll smoke them in the summertime or whatever on a nice day. It's definitely a nice buzz for sure.

3:34:57BubblemanI'll tell you, in Jamaica, where it's very deeply entwined in the culture to be a joint smoker, unless you're an elder and you're a much older person, like 70 plus years old, you would be maybe still on your chalice or a steam pipe or whatever, but a lot of the youth, for sure, most of the populace that smokes joints, if Thank you for watching.

3:35:48BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:36:16SpeakerI think that most people would agree like a 99% heads, you know, dry sift, a 99% sift that is a full melt is honestly really hard to beat.

3:36:29SpeakerAnd it's easy to travel with anywhere you want. But I always like a big chunk of, I like a big chunk of full melt, you know, like in a Ziploc bag if you had to, like if you were talking about survival mode. I think I would be more with a chunk of, nice big chunk of full melt. Like you can just go anywhere and tear it off.

3:36:51SpeakerAnd it's the best way to fly too if you have a big ball of ash. It's a really good way to fly. They don't even know what it is. It looks like a piece of dirt.

3:36:59BubblemanYou just put it on the side. Dude.

3:37:01SpeakerNobody wants to ask you about that.

3:37:04BubblemanWhat is this?

3:37:11BubblemanNever mind that.

3:37:12SpeakerDon't touch it. Big mole. Big mole. Three gram. Oh my goodness.

3:37:24BubblemanWell, I passed the link to Jen Doe today, but she never made it. I guess she's a little bit busy today. She has another hash.

3:37:34SpeakerShe sent her link on over to Matt Rise, didn't you know? Oh, shit. Yeah.

3:37:41SpeakerI'm making a medicated Italian dish from scratch.

3:38:11SpeakerNice. My dad's birthday. Happy birthday, Dad. First guy to ever show me some hash. We'll definitely be taking him out for some dinner together. Happy birthday? Yeah. Anybody else whose birthday it is today, I guess.

3:38:30SpeakerOh, hey, there I am.

3:38:34BubblemanHey, welcome, Etienne.

3:38:35SpeakerHello. Sorry. Welcome, Etienne.

3:38:39BubblemanYes. Yes.

3:38:44SpeakerAloha from Maui, everyone. Oh, Maui?

3:38:51SpeakerDamn. Damn. Killed the game, bro.

3:38:58BubblemanIt's like 8 at night and snowing in Amsterdam. How did that make you feel, Mila?

3:39:03SpeakerWell, it looks good in Maui, that's for sure. Holy, did it ever look good. It was minus 30 here yesterday all day in Toronto. It was awful. Minus 30? Yeah, in the city. It was cold. Yeah, there was not a lot of walking around outside. Jesus.

3:39:25BubblemanIt was not fun. I don't like that. That's the one bummer about going to Jamaica from Vancouver. You kind of have to go to Toronto, and it's so cold. Yeah. I usually stay at the airport at the hotel and I don't even go into Toronto. I just invite my friends to the hotel, have a sash, fly off.

3:39:48AdamEasy. Are you smoking that Maui Waui?

3:39:54SpeakerI've never really been able to get Maui Waui. I've been coming here for 15 years and everybody is growing stuff they've gotten from other parts, but no, I brought my own with me and I even have bubble. Yeah, awesome. It's not as sexy as everybody else's, but it's definitely getting me by while I'm here. But yeah, everybody here is, I mean, you can't really do much. Maybe with the new laws it'll change.

3:40:26SpeakerThey just kick in their door, steal their weed, and then they don't charge them. They just harass them. And as you know, it's very expensive. Everything on the island is expensive. I think it's about $10 or $12 a gallon for just milk. Okay, so you can just imagine your lights, hydroponic equipment, et cetera, et cetera. So everybody just grows Kauai a little, one or two grows, and, you know, plants, and it's very cool.

3:40:50AdamI know Hawaii pretty well. I've got friends with farms in Kauai.

3:40:56SpeakerI wish. I mean, the only time I've tried Maui is stateside. You know, over at BPG, and I mean, I wish I knew what that phenotype was, but as far as I know, it's been wiped off the islands due to eradication, and everybody that I know of is growing just various other genetics. That certainly could be true.

3:41:19SpeakerBut a lot of people do have bubble hash and things like that because it's easier to process and easier to travel with, and definitely, you know, it's one of those things that It's made it a lot easier for people as they travel around the world. You know, I've been able to find bubble hash in many different countries and even here on the island, you know, I've found water hash in the past.

3:41:43SpeakerSo thank you all. I mean, it's been a wonderful show and panel of you're all heroes, you know, from going back, you know, many, many years. Generations, and what you've done is now look at the generations of these kids. You know, you've got a thousand people watching you right now, and the replays going throughout, the education that this platform has given the connoisseurs, I'm happy that it shines a light on you, Skunk Man, on you, Mila, on all the various people here, Bubble Man, Cuban, and All these makers that have really led the way, you know, have really stepped it up for everyone across the board because we as the society have benefited from your passion, your diehard craziness for this cannabis to not be satisfied with just smoking just this flower that No, no, no, no, we're going to make this stuff out of it.

3:42:46SpeakerNo, no, this isn't good enough. We can make it even better. And then you've got to see what is possible. So it's just really an exciting time because what's coming next? You know, we've got Roz and we've got now with legalization, these other companies coming in as much as we hate it. I really think we're just going to continue to see better, more amazing products because We've been doing this as we say bathtub gin, and there's nothing wrong with that.

3:43:15SpeakerWe've done amazing things in the back doors that we've been able to do it. But as we come out of the darkness and into the light and as we come into these regulated worlds, it's become a challenge to every single one of us, from me, from the retail end, and telling people, no, I know it worked last week, but we tested it this week and it doesn't pass, so I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

3:43:38SpeakerAll these levels of things we've done has changed the dynamic quite considerably that we have testing nowadays, that we have an understanding of what this hash is, what's inside of it, what to expect, what flavor profiles. And now Tony is turning, you know, that completely on its head right now. And so these kids that are watching, Tony and the Gar brothers, the bubble man, are Creating new things that are coming down the pipe that we don't even know yet.

3:44:10SpeakerThis is what we know now. So five, ten years from now, will we be smoking? What will we be ingesting? How will it be processed? I still think wide open. I think we've only, because it's been these You know, thanks to, you know, Sam, your screening techniques, which led to people going to water techniques, which led people to other techniques to where we have how many different types of hash now available to us across the board from rosin, bubble, butane extracted, straight, just sifting itself.

3:44:48SpeakerI mean, it's quite an amazing diversity as well as It takes a lot of cannabis to make those concentrates. So, I mean, more than anything, it's the grower that we all owe the greatest debt to, because if it wasn't for them, you couldn't get the glands, could you, Mila?

3:45:10SpeakerYou know? You've also dealt with material that won't give you glands, correct? There's quite a few genetics that won't actually produce glands at times, correct? Or extremely poor yielders. It depends on the material you get, but genetically you should get some glands.

3:45:32SpeakerThey don't always bubble is also true. For sure, if it bubbles, you're pretty guaranteed it's a good thing. But I must say I've had an occasional one that didn't bubble. That was also quite amazing. If you were left on a deserted island with only one genetic, what genetic would that be? Oh, I'd have to think a long time about that one because actually whichever one I'm smoking is the one I'm liking at this time, at this moment.

3:46:03SpeakerAnd for sure there have been some memorable ones, but I'm happy with whatever I got. But nothing in the history, you're the grandmother of Hashish, you're our godmother. Nothing stands out if there was one time and one essence at one thing. At any time that really struck your fancy that you could replicate? At different times it's also been different things that I've really liked. Sometimes it's been a kush or an amnesia.

3:46:36SpeakerAnd nowadays there's so many new strains that here in Europe you don't really get to taste all of them. But then when I go to the States there's a whole field of new strains and crosses and everything.

3:46:54SpeakerIs there a micron screen? If you only had one choice of micron screen, Mila, what would that be? Probably the 90 or the 70. The 90 or the 70 because I do believe the bigger glands contain more oils and less of the cellulose that surrounds all the glands.

3:47:25SpeakerFor sure, once it's gone through a whole set of screens, the end product is going to be more pure. I still prefer the 70 or the 90 screens. How do you feel about Mixed Micron? About?

3:47:47SpeakerHow do you feel about the mixed micron? Like when you have a 45, a 73, a 90, and possibly a 120, if it's all melty, that's definitely something that I enjoy the most, I would say. If they all melt, then they're all good. For sure.

3:48:06SpeakerBrett is in agreeance.

3:48:13SpeakerMost definitely. From what we've seen... My opinion is anything that doesn't melt the greatest doesn't usually taste the best for me or isn't the most enjoyable in terms of potency for me, myself. But to each his own. I mean, if you like smoking it or, you know, even vaping that three star, I mean, it is what it is. But personally, I like to... If it's anything under a five-star, just because the potency goes up and it gets better, you lose that planty burning taste at the end of your hit.

3:48:47SpeakerIt's just a more discreet name. Especially dipping in the curbs now. So I'm not necessarily trying to have it.

3:48:57SpeakerDipping in the curbs. That would be... Big shout out to the guys doing those terpenes out there. Blue River, Tony, you know, the Bazaar Brothers now are doing with the Bowman brand too. Like this stuff's all crazy, man, that this is all happening. Like you go from smoking flowers, like at least I did anyways, like, you know, just over three years ago I started dabbing and it's like I never would have thought that this would be, you know, what it is today anyways.

3:49:24SpeakerSo to all the guys that are innovating out there, you know, you've definitely inspired us to do what we're doing. And thank you guys for getting ideas and things like that out to the market to the patients so that they can see if they can experience it, not just being here, but they can actually access it. Because not everybody can make this stuff as we know, and not everybody can grow this stuff.

3:49:47SpeakerSo a huge shout out to the manufacturers for making it easier for the patients, but also making it accessible more than everything. I've got to know what's in the purple punch. Because it's like, come on, I've got you here. So what's in the purple punch? Because it sure was an amazing terpene profiling. It was something that stood out. So I don't know, guys, what's in the purple punch?

3:50:12SpeakerBecause it sure helped me. It's one thing that out of 15 terpenes that went underneath my nose, it was something that stood out. Yo, so that purple punch that you tried the terps of, right? That was grown by the village in Cali, but that cut was originally selected by Garage Grow in Washington. It's bred by a guy called Supernova. And I think it's a GDP and Lario G Cross.

3:50:38SpeakerBut it definitely has an awesome turf and beautiful 10 out of 10 looking flowers. The dude that found that cut, he had placed first in the Secret Cup like two years ago with the Purple Punch. But, yeah, man, it's tight. Those are some of my favorite turkeys, too, that I got at the M.O. Cup.

3:51:05BubblemanIt's got a great profile. Beautiful nose.

3:51:08SpeakerYeah, like, whatever it is, it's sure it was something. I liked it. So, you know. It turned yellow from that. Is it like a lavender purple, or is it?

3:51:26BubblemanIt's definitely got a lavender to it. There's no doubt about that.

3:51:33BubblemanI'm going to dip in it right now.

3:51:35SpeakerThe Cherry AK-47 was probably the strongest one for me anyways as far as effect goes. That one was crazy. Better pay attention to how these terpenes are modulating my pain and stuff like that. So a lot of these different terpenes, I mean, certain will come away from my nose and just Thank you for joining us today.

3:52:07SpeakerI can feel it. I've noticed it over time. Working with Paul, Dr. Hornby over the years and just seeing the different profiles and seeing how things help. And the terpenes are the most important role that I'm seeing for me as in the certain strains just don't work for me and it's because they've got no terpene profile to it. And even though on paper it shows it should, but yet the terpenes aren't there and that's probably the reasons why I'm not getting the effects that I'm looking for.

3:52:32SpeakerLike I am from... Dipping into terpenes now is just a whole new other ballgame when it comes to helping with certain conditions in my opinion right now because of how it helps me.

3:52:45AdamI just tried the purple punch with tangy. So purple punch, terp dip on tangy resin.

3:52:54SpeakerSo I would get on a plane and come visit right now.

3:53:00BubblemanI just hit the Hindu with the purple punch.

3:53:12SpeakerSo the purple punch, it's one of those strains that's really keefy. When you look at the flowers, it's like, it looks snowed on, right? The contrast on it, it's really purple, the flower, but you can't even see the purple because it has so much resin on it, right? And this, Pure Headies has sifted it for the village. And I think the melt range was between the 86 LPI, which is like a 160, all the way down to the 280.

3:53:44SpeakerAnd it melted like a six star. That's incredible that even those little heads like that can still contribute so much oil. It has, it has, it has, and I've looked at it from the terpene extraction side. It's one of those strains that has like lots of little heads with a shitload of little stalks. There's tons and tons and tons of like stock in the way, but they all have heads on them too.

3:54:09SpeakerSo it's a strain that looks kind of like it's expressing something definitely unique and different in the way that the grid and pattern of those stocks are laid out. And I think it probably presents maybe sometimes a problem for bubble versus dry sift and actual terpenes, you know, but I don't know. I've never done the bubble. Well, I watched it for Garage Grower, right? Fresh frozen and it came out actually pretty tight, but he said that when they washed it dry, it didn't melt almost at all.

3:54:47SpeakerLike if the stocks were maybe stuck in the bags and they couldn't really get it out, you know? And maybe that's why it did so well with the dry sifting, being that you can manually isolate and separate the head from the stock and I think with strains like that, I've found that you're not getting the melt until you beat it up for a certain length of time.

3:55:14SpeakerIf you're beating it up like you usually would with your full mature resin heads that come off readily, the first threshing, that's one thing, but when you have these stocks that are stuck to the plant more, the longer they're in the cold water and the more you beat them up, Then they're going to come off later on. You'll find on your third wash, you'll find your full melt.

3:55:36SpeakerIt doesn't happen very often, but with strains like that, it definitely does. Banana Kush is another one that does a bunch of stocks and sessils and not a lot of bulbous head. That carb cap.

3:55:50BubblemanPerfect. Oh, good. Yeah, it gets hot fast. I have the same one.

3:55:55SpeakerThat's the purple one. Oh, cheers, then.

3:56:05AdamAnd Tony, have you terpene tested the Purple Punch?

3:56:12SpeakerYeah, I think we did, and I have that one. But I want to send it to another place because of the 10 that they tested for, it said 75 or something like that percent. So the other ones would be like SC would probably have a broader spectrum.

3:56:35SpeakerBut yeah, no, it's, to me it reminds me of Trix cereal with the milk, like as if I poured the cereal in a bowl and I put my milk and I was a kid and I was like, I was getting ready to eat the cereal and I put it up to my nose and I smelled it. And that's like, and it was the berry Trix. So I remember, it's interesting how that particular Terpene Profile brings back also memory.

3:57:04AdamThat's from Artificial Red number four that they made illegal.

3:57:11SpeakerSay that again?

3:57:16SpeakerSay that again, Sam? It smells great.

3:57:25SpeakerSo, Sam, you like the Purple Punch too then, Sam?

3:57:30AdamI can't tell because I just took One hit of it, I don't remember the last two that I took of it, so I'll try it for a half a day or so with one resin and then I can give you an opinion. But yeah, it's interesting, but I never know how it's going to modify the THC up, down, sideways. You know, that's what's important to me. I mean, taste is really, really important, but what's most important is how does it modify or potentiate the effects of the THC.

3:58:02SpeakerHow about terpenes also modifying the amount of melt that it has? You were talking about six-star melt, and Tony always likes to bring up the idea of the seventh star if you add terpenes to it. I kind of was against it for a long time, but now that I realize that if you have a grading system based upon the melt, In the first place, for the full melt, or for, I haven't really decided on dry sift being involved with the grading system, but for full melt anyway, the more terpy it is, the more chance you're having of getting a six star, an actual, like, complete melt.

3:58:43SpeakerSo if you add terpenes to it, You know, you are, you can potentially bring the grade up.

3:58:50AdamSo really, really, really, you're just doing it because, like a girl when she gets artificial boobs.

3:59:00SpeakerWhat?

3:59:03AdamOh my.

3:59:09SpeakerThat's exactly what we're doing here. Thank you, Tony.

3:59:20BubblemanOh my God, that was pretty darn hilarious.

3:59:22SpeakerWe're back, we're back. The idea would be if the boob implants were not silicone, they were actually pulled from the woman's I don't know about that. Not just... Well, we're not... Naturally. Naturally. On weird science. So, no. It was a good point, though, until we got completely sidetracked. Purple punch. Purple punch. Purple punch. Purple punch. Purple punch.

4:00:03SpeakerOh, man. But yeah, you were talking about... It's in purple. Anthocyan. Some of my... Seed? AC makes it purple. AC. National.

4:00:27BubblemanWell, I think at 1 o'clock it's time to call today's episode four hours. I want to thank the entire panel. You know, thank Skunk Man Sam, and thank Etienne and Johnny B, and Mila, and Tony, and the Bizarre Brothers, Space and Josh, and of course Adam and Brett and Jimmy from West Coast Concentrate, and Cuban Grower in the house. Johnny B, if I didn't already mention you, and anyone that I forgot that was here, Todd McCormick, Arian, Frenchie Cannoli.

4:01:03BubblemanIt was a great panel today. I appreciate everyone coming on. And, yeah, let's do it again next week for Episode 74. It'll be a little bit different. We'll have a lot of our regular panelists back, and I want to thank you guys all for sharing your time with us. We will, of course, see you next week, so... How do we finish it? Hey, I want to say one thing.

4:01:29BubblemanPlease do.

4:01:30SpeakerI want to say one thing. Yes. Because it's important. So a lot of people don't know this, but what was the year you were born?

4:01:40Bubbleman1973. 1973.

4:01:42SpeakerOkay. And what bag are we celebrating? 1973.

4:01:53SpeakerIs that the micron size? The micron is 73, yes. So are we doing a 73 second bong rip? Yep. Hold it in. 73 second bong rip. 73 second bong rip. Everybody's got a hint for 73 seconds. We're going to end this with a 73 second bong rip. I like it. I like it. I'm going around the block. I'm going around the block. I'm going around the block, bro.

4:02:38SpeakerOh, you're doing like a gong leader.

4:02:40AdamWait a minute. I can't do this. A 73 second bong rip? Why can't I just do 73 bong rips? Yeah, you can do either one.

4:02:52Speaker73 bong rips or hold it for 73 seconds.

4:02:55NickyJust put 73 granules in.

4:02:59SpeakerOh, that was not cool. You need to do the 73 individual bar ribs.

4:03:06BubblemanI'm doing 73 gland heads. That's what I'm going to do.

4:03:10SpeakerOkay, go for it, man. I'll try to hold it for 73. It's definitely something. Here's on the purple Hindu. About to dab three different flavors of 77. 73 seconds or 73 bong rips in a row or 73 heads or 73 milligrams. Whatever you got to do, it's got to be 73. You can smoke 73 turps or smoke out of a $77,300 rig or a 73K.

4:03:53SpeakerAll right.

4:03:56BubblemanWe're going to start.

4:03:58SpeakerAnd we're not raising our hands. Happy 73. 73 seconds. All right. Let's do this. Start, guys.

4:04:36SpeakerThanks to the 73 from the West Coast, guys. Appreciate it. Hey, cheers, man. It's been a pleasure. Yeah, thanks just for having us on. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, everybody. You guys are awesome.

4:04:57BubblemanI lasted 43 seconds. I couldn't hold it any longer.

4:05:01SpeakerI did.

4:05:03BubblemanWoo! Thank you, guys. That was a good way to end it Tony.