Cannabis Activism and Legal Challenges

0:02SpeakerGood morning, everybody. Mark is driving and I'm going to be starting hash charts. So give me a second and let me send out the link to everybody. I hope you are all having a great day.

0:33SpeakerI hope everybody's doing great today, regardless of the political climate we're all freaking out about. And hopefully we have a few people joining us pretty soon.

0:57SpeakerYeah, hey, I know you. Well, good morning, Todd. Me? Good morning, Dustin.

1:09Etienne FontanGood morning.

1:13Etienne FontanGood morning, Hash Church. How's everybody doing today? Good morning, Todd. Good morning, Bubble Man on the road. Woohoo!

1:20SpeakerYeah, dude. I'm 15 minutes away from my house, racing back to the computer to make Hash Church, and of course, Todd McCormick's got my back. He's Come in as Bubble Man World today and he's started Hatch Church. So I'll be quiet, but thank you for the link, Todd. I'm glad it worked. Actually, I'm pretty thrilled. This is probably the only time I get anxiety doing that as dirt.

1:47Etienne FontanWell, good morning, Todd. You're doing a great job. And maybe John and I will take over with some conversation because yesterday I saw a video of Johnny getting pulled over by the po-po. By the po-po. And I saw you at the beginning and the end of it. I didn't catch the middle when they were going through your car, but you want to tell everybody about what went down to kind of kill some time?

2:09SpeakerOh, pretty much basic, easy, and simple. This happened with me and my father that we talked about about six months ago, driving down the freeway. This was with my dad. You guys remember I did a live little video about that. The same thing happened yesterday. I'm driving home from my warehouse. I'm on a side road. I see a cop beside me. He's in an SUV. I didn't care.

2:32SpeakerI just keep driving. I'm doing the speed limit. So he slows down and gets behind me. He starts swerving all over the road because he's one-handing it and Googling me, right? Then we go over the freeway. I make a right out of green light. I go around. I'm just talking about 15, 16 car lengths that I go around the school. And then he turns on his lights.

2:53SpeakerHe goes, you just ran a red light. I'm like, no, I didn't. Goes to the passenger side of the car, opens, open up the window. I'm really like, it smells like weed here. I'm like, that's impossible. Well, whatever. And you got any weed paraphernalia in here or something like that? The whole back of my car is full of medtainers, toker pokers, bovina. I mean, it's like, no, no.

3:12SpeakerI said, I'm a distributor. I sell plastic containers. I said, yeah, I got all kinds of stuff in here, here at George Hardware. And he goes, well, it smells like weed here. So I hand him an XL medtainer. I'm like, well, it's airtight in here. You can't smell it. He opens it up and goes, whoo, and hands it back to me. Asked me for my paperwork. I says, well, I'm protected underneath the injunction.

3:33SpeakerI haven't got a card or a piece of paper from Health Canada since 2012. He says, I don't have anything. I says, I'm a legal medical cannabis patient. I have to inform you you're under arrest. I said, OK. He goes, I got to call Health Canada. So he goes to the back of the car. I decided, screw this, Facebook Live. I throw it up on the thing because I could feel something's going on, right?

3:54SpeakerHe's adjusting the camera in the back of his car. The cop car pulls up. He's putting on his gloves. I'm like, okay, here's some shit. Let's have some fun. So then he proceeds. He goes, we'll get out of the car. You're under arrest. We're searching the car. I said, oh, I found my card. I gave him my MMR card. He goes, I just had my wallet. He proceeds to put me in the back of the car with a cop dog.

4:16SpeakerNow, I'm in the back of a RCMP cop dog SUV. He says he's a traffic cop. So as I'm sitting in the back of his cop car, I'm looking at his computer screen, marijuana growing duty, trunk suspected, pulled over with marijuana. He was a drug cop. He ran my plate. He pulled me over for no apparent reason. They searched my car, hoping they would find anything. And at that point, when he saw he was Facebook Live, got a little bit pissed off, gave me a $75 ticket for running around late.

4:55SpeakerI never ran. And said, have a good day. That was about it. Just pure harassment. So I talked to Robert Lurie, a lawyer of ours, last night after. He called me twice while the cop was looking at the camera. He's looking at the phone. That's because the lawyer was calling him. But anyways, long story short, I'm going to take it to court. He gave me a ticket and I'm going to fight it.

5:20SpeakerAnd I'm going to find out why I keep getting pulled over for no apparent reason and why they keep telling going into my car, it smells like pot. As one thing I do not do is I do not smoke weed in my new car that could go over the border. That's the lease. It's a company car. I do not smoke in a company car. No way. Mark knows that.

5:38SpeakerEverybody knows that. I don't smoke in my car. There's no way it smells like weed in my car. It was in a med tainer. So it's just, you know what, a little bit of lesson to the cop and of course the 18,000 plus viewers that have watched it in the last like 12 hours. So I'm pretty sure they're getting a little bit of a lesson. You got to be pulling over people for no apparent reason, saying it smells like weed and then detaining me and completely, they took out the back tire, they took out a knife, they cut a toka poker box open, they thought these little boxes I had toka pokers in were full of weed, they cut open a bowl of the box, they literally stuck a knife in it and cut it open.

6:13SpeakerLike, didn't, like, take the tape off. I watched them cut it open.

6:16Etienne FontanDid they damage any of your product?

6:19SpeakerNo. It's got the boxes open.

6:22Etienne FontanSo, I caught the end of it, of your video, where you said you were going to go back and watch them searching your car. Did you find anything funny or interesting when you went back and searched it?

6:30SpeakerI haven't had a chance to. Everybody's telling me. When I got home, I went to, I was busy. I woke up. This woman was running around. I kind of watched the entire time. She was in the window like... So I'm watching, but I want to listen to what he's saying and stuff like that. I haven't had a chance to watch it. Did you like the meme I sent you, Johnny?

6:47SpeakerI thought that was awesome.

6:50SpeakerAnd you know what? It just goes to show you, I mean, we're not being protected here in Canada. That was RCMP in Abbotsford jurisdiction. That was a drug cop. He was here investigating other things. He ran my number on my plate. My plate is a company car. It comes up as my company. It doesn't come up my name, nothing. So, and that's a brand new car. It's three weeks old.

7:11SpeakerIt's got a new lease. What does your company, what's your company name listed as? Oh, iGreen Planet Store Limited. Well, there you go.

7:20Etienne FontanIt's all about the green. So it's just, you know, it was, it was,

7:30SpeakerHe was really nice about it. You know, he's kind of being all cool. He goes, oh, he goes, he shows me, I said, oh, you know, you know, be careful. I got to sort of collect my things. He goes, well, I'm not going to throw it on the ground. I said, I don't want to be thrown on the ground. I won't handcuff you, put me in that car.

7:42SpeakerHe's being all good about everything. He was just kind of doing his job in a sense. But when he found out he was live on Facebook, his attitude completely changed. He was not happy. They don't like the attention. Showing what they're doing is pure harassment. I had done nothing wrong. He Googled my name. He found my name was John Bartholomew, a cannabis activist, and he pulled me over, hoping he might find something in my car that might get me in trouble in some way or another.

8:07SpeakerAnd guess what? Why would I do something stupid like that? I already know I'm high profile. I already know what I do. I stand up for patients' rights and for cannabis. Basically, that's what I do. So, I mean, it's happened to me a couple times now. And I had friends call me and go, well, that's what you got for being an activist. Told you. I'll fucking do it every day.

8:26SpeakerIf they want to pull me over every day, we'll sit down every day for an hour and have a chat. And I'll film it all the time. That's what you get when you're an activist. That's right up there with saying... Like, what does that mean? I'm wearing short skirts, so maybe they better, you know, like, no, no. It's people's fucked up behaviors that's the reason why you're suffering.

8:46SpeakerIt has nothing to do with being an activist. You're fighting the good fight. I know. That's what I mean. I'm only doing what I feel is right. I'm doing nothing wrong. I will do it tomorrow. The next day, I'll go and do it right now. Next time, ask the policeman, do you think it's harassment that I'm putting you live on Facebook? No, he didn't know. I was purely hiding that from him.

9:08SpeakerThat's why I had it set up in the car. It looked like it was a dash camera. I'll bet you he would think it was harassment, yet he didn't think it was harassment what he was doing to you. Exactly. You know, for them to be searching my car like that, like, I mean, literally, I would watch them in the back, see these pulling things down, like, what are you looking for?

9:27SpeakerIn a little, are you looking for, like, something this big? Come on. Like, the way they were searching for things, what are you looking for? You should be looking for more than 150 grams a week, because that's all I'm only allowed to carry. So, when you're opening up little containers like this, going, what are you looking for?

9:47SpeakerIt goes to show there's a real sort of missing piece in the Canadian federal exemption of cannabis because how are we supposed to feel safe when they don't give us cards, papers that, you know, are very hard to carry around. If you fold them up, they get old, they get ruined. How are we supposed to prove to police that we have these licenses when they won't even send us a frigging card?

10:12SpeakerThis is the biggest thing, and I've been talking to people about this all morning on Facebook. I'm protected underneath the MMR coalition against Repel. That is an injunction. And I was protected since 2012 until the court date happened and we got the decision on February 25th last year we want our right to grow our own. That's great. I have never received a letter from Health Canada stating what I'm supposed to do next.

10:34SpeakerSo until such time, I'm still protected under the old MMAR. I still have my card. Nothing has changed. So in other words, up until I get something from Health Canada and not everybody telling me or not the news because I might not have the news, I might not listen to the radio. I should be waiting for something from Health Chem telling me what I'm supposed to do next.

10:53SpeakerSo until such time, my license protects me. The AMCPR, I can apply for it if I choose, if I want to move my license, want to change my license, or up my ground or something like that. So until such time I decide to do that, I am still protected under the MMAR. I still have my card, I never have to see a doctor again, and I'm not doing nothing because the cop let me go with my old card and said, you're fine.

11:16Etienne FontanOkay, I have a question then, Johnny. Okay, since you said you didn't originally have your card on you, okay, so then he was going to call into what the Health Canada system, and then you should, so that's their check-in system? Okay, so if you're an LP or a patient, then you're in the system, so if an RCMP runs your name or your license, then you come up in the system?

11:41SpeakerWell, I believe there's something on those computers. I'm going to talk to Larry about that last night because when they ran my plate, that cop was all over the road, happened with my father. They pulled me over knowing that I was using cannabis or anything to do with cannabis. They pulled me over for that reason. They didn't pull me over because I ran and ran late. My dad laughed.

11:59SpeakerLast time they pulled me over was for driving too slow in the fast lane. Yeah, you're online. You're on camera. Like, ridiculous, right? That's right.

12:13Etienne FontanIt's really frustrating to see, you know, what you went through yesterday there.

12:17SpeakerTo me, and I think my girlfriend says, you got off on that because you were like vibing like, I'm like, yeah, because I was proving a point. I've done nothing wrong. I'm not doing anything wrong. They pull me over. They search my car. They put me in the back of a police car and they detain me. And at the end of it, they're like, we're sorry. It's kind of like WCB.

12:37SpeakerLike, oh, we're sorry. We missed that. They actually apologized. Oh, no, he didn't apologize, but he's like, you can go back to your Facebook friends and say, oh, yeah, well, you got all that. I'm giving you a ticket for what? Well, I pulled you over. You wasted two cops. They sat there pulling on the side of the road for an hour and a half. What did they make, 30, 40 bucks an hour?

12:59SpeakerLike, I'm like, come on. This is a cop who is fully trained in tactical gear. He's got a shotgun and he's got a cop dog. And then he's got me pulled over on the side of the road. What a waste of time. I can't. Yeah, it makes me wonder though how many, like once you're in their system, if you're literally in their system, obviously a green flag pops up, you know, and it might not even have anything to do with your YouTube presence or your activism.

13:23SpeakerIt might just be the fact that you're enrolled. And the medical program and that alerts them to the fact that you could be a drug driver. See, that could be another thing, Todd. But one thing he never did is ask me if I was impaired, ask me if I was smoking, and he handed me back my weed. He goes, here you go. And then he goes, I'm being charged for cannabis possession.

13:41SpeakerAs he gave me my weed back. Here you go. You can have it, but I'm charging you with cannabis possession. He didn't ask me if I smoked. He didn't ask me if I was doing the last time I used. He did not smell my breath. So he's not looking for that. Yeah, it makes you wonder, you know, I can understand them looking for impaired drivers. 100%. Paul, have you been using today, Mr. Perfello?

14:01SpeakerYou come up as a legal medical cannabis patient. Not, we're searching your car, it smells like weed. He never asked me if I had consumed. Do you want to know something, though? We have something called Americans, ADA, Americans Disabled, I forget the fucking acronym, but... American Possibilities Act. Yes, and the app bars them from basically if you've got your little love puppy at the airport and you're saying that it's an emotional support dog, they don't have a right in America to ask you what your medical condition is that gives you the right to have a supporting animal, for instance.

14:35SpeakerAnd I wonder if they're in a similar place where the cop gets a green flag or red flag that, hey, this could be a medical marijuana patient, you know, puffing Cheech and Chong style down the road. But once he approaches you, he doesn't have the right to ask you directly, what is your medical condition? Are you medicating right now? Can you get out of the top? You know, I wonder if there's like a really fucked up line that they're trained to try to follow.

15:01SpeakerWell, there's something that's now happened. Like I said, once it was with my father, next time it was with my girlfriend. Just, you know, it wasn't like I was smoking or anything at all. Good job, Todd. You know, I'm going to light one too. In a weird way, I mean, even the fact that, you know, my Marinol bottle, for instance, I've been using Marinol, uh, For decades, obviously.

15:22SpeakerBut when I first got it, one of the things that surprised me is that it's not illegal to use THC and drive your car. It's totally legal to do that once you're used to it. It's like any other pharmaceutical. You have to get used to the drug. But then once you're used to the drug, obviously you can go about your life. And I think anybody listening or watching is going to feel that cannabis does not impair their ability to act like a normal person throughout the day.

15:47SpeakerWell, actually, what impairs my ability is the pain that I go through when I'm doing something that distracts me. So cannabis actually alleviates that pain so I can be clear-minded. And that's on paper with my doctors and stuff like that. But cannabis per se doesn't distract you. If anything, the more you smoke, the less high you get. It's kind of ironic.

16:05BubblemanAnd the only thing I would add to the impairment argument as well as welcoming Chimera to the room is that impairment is impairment. We don't have to have special impairment rules for cannabis. A cop can understand and see if someone's impaired and I just think that having special rules for cannabis It's completely absurd and it was actually Kirk Toussaint who made this argument saying that, listen, if you're worried about people being impaired while they're under the influence of anything, stop worrying about what it is they're under the influence of and merely realize impairment is impairment.

16:38BubblemanIf someone's completely wasted and can't get out of their car, they're impaired regardless of what they're on.

16:44SpeakerLet me say, I specifically believe that cannabis can cause impairment. Anybody that's ever Thank you for watching.

17:14Ryan Dank AfImpairment totally varies also with the individual. If it's your first time smoking a joint, you smoke a big fatty, you're going to get way higher than any one of us that consumes cannabis daily. But they are changing the rules in Canada about that, a new system whereby they can actually charge you. And they can actually start looking at... I love the pen that they got going on there, Sam.

17:41Ryan Dank AfThey can start looking at saliva levels and stuff like that too. I also just wanted to drop one little thing about the health... that the police were able to pull Johnny over because of Health Canada. That's completely untrue. The Health Canada records are completely isolated from the police computer system, which in Canada is called CPIC. It's the RCMP.

18:02SpeakerSo let's say one thing, Brian. I don't think they can access the Health Canada, but once someone like myself has disclosed to an officer that I am a mayor and they have that on file, I think they put that onto their police files because, I mean, this has happened at events. They know what I do.

18:17Ryan Dank AfYou're talking about something other than Health Canada. You had an interaction with the police at some point in time That allowed them to put into CPIC, which is, again, the Canadian Police Computer System, so you now have a file on your file in CPIC that says you're a cannabis user, and that's why they were able to pull you over. That makes clean sense. Between that and just being an MMAR holder, because you can be an MMAR holder and there's no information on CPIC about you.

18:51Ryan Dank AfThey don't cross-link, they don't... There's no association between those two computer systems. So until you become known to the police as a cannabis user, there is no information on you as a medical user in the Canadian system at least. It's a small distinction, but it is important to make that distinction.

19:12SpeakerDon't worry, Johnny, because... These guys are coming to get you. You see the police patch I have in my hand?

19:19BubblemanDude, that's insane. I just took a picture of them. That rocker that is on there looks identical to an HA like font and everything.

19:28SpeakerI absolutely agree with you. And not only is there, I can show you, there's also Saskatchewan, Ontario. You got them all.

19:46SpeakerWe're back. Manitoba? No, just these four I have. Oh, shit. No, just the key provinces in Canada.

19:54BubblemanYeah. Hey, is it just me or does Indra look way younger?

19:58SpeakerYeah, he looks like Mark Scaldone. Looks like Mark Scaldone.

20:03BubblemanHow's it going, guys? We're having a party. That's awesome.

20:08Etienne FontanLook at these guys. They're on the drugs.

20:12SpeakerTwo days. And everybody's fucking trying the mysterious green and golden curbs, and guess what? They all love them. Nice. Amazing.

20:26BubblemanNice. Hey, I'll have a rip right now in that honor. I got a little turps here myself that I'll dip into.

20:36Etienne FontanContinuing the conversation, that's the problem they're trying to find here in the United States, which is impaired driving. And so they're trying to create, you know, as we know, a breathalyzer currently, which is they're going through tests on. It's not officially legal or in that resolve yet. But because the only thing that I guess human nature can equate to, you know, driving with and driving Thank you so much for joining us.

21:17Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

21:36Etienne FontanAs they try to come up with a way to find these impaired drivers, because as we know, there's no easy way through a breathalyzer. Currently, it's blood system, blood in your system, or the amount of level in your blood system is currently the only recognizable way. Not accurate. No, no. Beyond not accurate.

21:59SpeakerThe most accurate test is what you do is you open up a box of donuts and you see who gets in first, the donut or the stoned hippie donut.

22:08BubblemanI mean, honestly, it's not too far off from that because in my reality, they're going way too deep down this rabbit hole. Impairment is very simple to tell. You don't have to mention, measure nano...

22:24BubblemanYou just have to look at the person. Are they impaired? Were they driving poorly? Were they weaving in and out of their lanes? Were they driving too slow? These are how you decide if someone's impaired, not with a little machine.

22:36Etienne FontanRemember, alcohol impairment test was not created until 1986. Before then, as Bill Hicks said, you know, they'd be like, oh, buddy, you look a little drunk. You should sleep it off and drive home, you know. You know, but until then, even in Louisiana, I mean, I grew up in a state where you could go to a drive-through daiquiri place and they can hand you the daiquiri with a lid on top and they can hand you a straw.

23:00Etienne FontanBut if they put the straw inside the container, then it is an open container. So these are the types of hemming and hawing and half noodling that they're going to be doing along the way. Um, to, they come up with whatever, uh, process they have. So we have to stay educated in looking at what these technologies are and what they plan to, uh, try to do. But we have to, as educated cannabis people, confront our own society regarding this, our own people, and realize there is impairment.

23:28Etienne FontanWe can't just say, we can't just with one swast say everybody who smokes pot can, can drive. Although we've seen studies that highly titrated and people who are, Regular users have no issues. In fact, we've seen studies that show they drive one degree, I mean, one mile per hour slower than the actual speed limit. I mean, that's actual science out there. So we're going to see more studies.

23:51Etienne FontanAnd I know that a lot of these states are going to be reactionary and put a lot of money toward this type of creating of this type of recriminalization at a point so that they can criminalize Those that are impaired drivers.

24:04BubblemanWell, we've got to protect the children, Etienne. You know, our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, has mentioned it numerous times. We need to protect the children. Those same children that are overdosing on fentanyl? Yes, those ones. Okay, well, I mean, obviously, if there's kids overdosing on fentanyl, we can't be promoting cannabis use. Is that not how Spicer put it?

24:27SpeakerIs that not what he... Can I lay this out that we already, I mean, now that we're in a situation that we have some legality to what we're doing, we just need to fight for legal right, for equal rights. I mean, we already have impaired driving laws against people that are abusing pharmaceuticals, but we're not going to make pharmaceuticals illegal. And, you know, this has to fall along the same lines.

24:50SpeakerSo I don't think it will get to a point of how much of it necessarily is in your system For say, because that doesn't work with cannabis, it's going to be like Mark saying, are you all over the road? You know, we just unfortunately woke up to a news story of a drunk driver driving into a crowd in New Orleans. I mean, and it's ironic to me because we don't even need terrorists in this country.

25:09SpeakerWe have a bunch of drunk fuckers that'll do it for us.

25:12BubblemanAnd let me tell you, the news is nothing compared to having a mom and a sister who work at 911 in the city that you live in. If you want to know what's going down in your city, the news doesn't cover a fraction of what's going down in your current city. And those 911 operators? They know what's going down. They are the most accurate form of statistics for the shit that's going down in the city in regards to police and ambulance and fire department getting called.

25:41BubblemanThey're the ones that take the calls. It's shocking.

25:43SpeakerThey're sending out the first responders. Of course. How shitty a job would that be? Dude, that would be tough. You'd take that home.

26:09BubblemanJust, it's stressful, and I grew up, my mom, that was her job for most of my life, and now it's been my sister's job for 25 years or so.

26:19Etienne FontanWell, thank the world for them because they're the people we reach out to and we need them the most. Yeah, they're unsung heroes to people and they're not thanked enough for the difficult job that they go through every single day. Man, first responders and their assistants, I mean.

26:36BubblemanThey get PTSD, man, fucking from answering a phone.

26:39Etienne FontanFact.

26:40SpeakerAnd we were talking about how shitty it is to get pulled over, but in 99, I was pulled over on the 91. And I didn't stop right away because I didn't notice him, whatever, and found myself in the back of a cop car. And when the cop found my book, he came and sat down and it was like this really weird quiet moment in the police car.

27:00SpeakerAnd I found myself looking at him in the rear view mirror and seeing that he was like tearing up. And I was like, Are you okay? And he was like, you didn't tell me you were Todd McCormick. And I was like, yes, I did. I gave you my ID. And he goes, yeah, I just didn't realize who you were. He goes, look, he goes, my dad just died of pancreatitis cancer.

27:16SpeakerAnd the last conversation I had with him was about you. And I don't know how to deal with this moment right now. And I was like, oh, whoa. And we both sat there for a moment. Like, I started crying. I mean, I felt so bad for the guy. And he ended up being as nice as he could be. And it really reminded me, it drove it home how, you know, cancer doesn't care what job you have, doesn't give a shit about who you work for.

27:38SpeakerAnd once it infects your family, it melts the hearts of everybody, you know. So, you know, please don't forget, I mean, that we're all human. It's really not an us against them thing. It's just what I feel.

27:51Etienne FontanAnd an officer is just doing their job. I have nothing against an officer. It's how an officer treats me or doesn't treat me. Like you said, you've had officers treat you with respect if you treat them with respect. But if you treat them with disrespect, they're going to heap it on you tenfold.

28:07SpeakerYeah, and you know, with me being a political activist, I will say this. I used to do nothing to incite the officer I was dealing with because I don't want to sound rude to the officers I was dealing with, but I felt like I was dealing with pawns on a chess set. And they weren't really my problem. And they were really not in control. And they, you know, so I just tried to be, and I've never got my ass kicked.

28:30SpeakerI've never been maced. I've never, never had a cop be a dick to me. And I've been in some, I've been arrested quite a few times. No, but the cops told me that they felt you were just a brawn too. Right. Sure, I bet you they did in a weird way. But you know what was weird? I mean, even when Prop 64 passed, I had three of the prison guards in the prison I spent most of the time in contact me on Facebook and say, man, glad it legalized.

28:58SpeakerI'm retired now and I'm a smoker too and just always admired what you were about. And it blew my mind. I mean, they were the ones listening. It just, you never know who you're changing.

29:09BubblemanImagine how they saw you, Todd, in a prison full of fucking many, many maniacs. You obviously stood out as someone like, this motherfucker is different.

29:21SpeakerWell, no, I'm not a criminal. I think I heard it all the time. Like, you know, I'm not, I'm not over here bragging about how I would rob a bank or something like that. I'm not, I don't even really speed. I'm one of those one mile an hour below the speed limit guys. Cause I'm, You know, but the reality is, is that, you know, these are just people too.

29:37SpeakerAnd, you know, we could do more with our activism through like trying to educate one another and being polite than we can with, you know, turning them into our enemy. And, you know, and the harder part for me was I was never going to cooperate. So I had to be fucking nice because I wasn't going to be telling them what they wanted to hear. I had to have them being nice to me because I knew I want to speak to a lawyer was not going to go over well.

29:59SpeakerAnd that's what I recommend to everybody listening. If you get arrested now, especially in a legal state, just shut your mouth, get a lawyer, and take it all the way to trial. Because if we were to do that, we would break the system. This system could not prosecute all the marijuana cases that goes through it unless the people capitulated to settling for some type of guilty plea.

30:20SpeakerSo break the system. That's really my recommendation. Be polite and don't stop.

30:25Etienne FontanDon't give up. Beyond anything. And what you can do is exactly what you did. You plant seeds. One of the things we learned early on in activism is you can't change a person's mind. But you can be respectful and plant seeds of ideas like your book had before you even met that cop, Todd. You know what I'm saying? That seed had already been planted. You may be that fresh manure that needs to actually plant a new seed with that officer so that they can see that we're not all dumb, stupid, and reprehensible.

30:56Etienne FontanBecause even though they're told that and it's an us versus them mentality, as you stated, they are still human and they are responsive to human nature if you're respectful to them. If you're not respectful, then as it's stated, they will throw heaps of pain upon you. Yeah.

31:15SpeakerOf the people that really need to be reached, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

31:47BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

32:07SpeakerThe doors are really opening with Proposition 64 passing in California. That means you can teach any neighbor in your area how to grow. You can give them some seeds, give them a clone, and teach them how to grow.

32:23BubblemanOkay, so there's one of the good things from Prop 64. I have a question to all of those who were so against it, and this is an honest question. What have you been doing? To offer or create something better as an alternative for the future of California. So you went out of your way, you created dissent, you posted things on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, and I'm just curious as to what, if anything, any of you have done to make things better in California for the people that, you know, OMA not passing would have hurt.

33:01SpeakerBut can I just put this in, you know, and I don't want to sound completely condescending, but a lot of the people that were speaking out against Proposition 64 and legalization directly were people that were promoting medical marijuana related products on Instagram and other places and trying to make some money and had been in the industry way less than 10 or 15 years. And it was disheartening to me because So many of those dissenters were putting profits over principles.

33:28SpeakerThey didn't give a fuck about people sitting in prisons because they were getting away with it. They were getting money and they don't give a shit. And I saw mostly hypocrites coming out against 64. I get that.

33:40BubblemanI get that. And that's the majority, right? But I'm saying the small percentage of people that are good people, that are part of this community, that meant well, that now realize, I'm just wondering, what are they doing? Thank you so much for joining us.

34:23BubblemanIf that makes any sense. Spend your time on what you want to be, not complaining about what is happening.

34:30Etienne FontanAnd then get up today and do it, and then get up today and do it again. That's what all of us have been doing. It's an everyday thing. It's not a recreational thing. It's not something we do on the side. We all have our... Everybody here has staked their freedom along the way to have the freedom that we all have currently. And that's because... We still have to do so here in California.

34:54Etienne FontanAnd of course, here in the United States, we saw what did we see this week? We saw that Spicer, who is the Secretary of Lies, apparently, basically got up and said that there looks to be increased enforcement on Recreational cannabis. The administration is basically acknowledging medical cannabis, which is, again, a huge step in a direction. I'm not saying it's the direction, but it's a step in a direction where medical has been, as we have seen over time, okay, we're fine with medical.

35:33SpeakerHowever, there's a key point here. The solution is stop smoking recreational. It's adult use now, folks.

35:44BubblemanOr how about this? Recreational and medical have been tied since the beginning. Medical would have never happened had it not been from the learning that the recreational people were doing. And pushing forward. Wendy Turner came on here and I asked her, what do you think about all the sort of hippie, freak, dreadlock, nut bar, you know, just all of us crazy cannabis folk, you know, because you're really coming at it from a different angle.

36:08BubblemanAnd she said, I love all of you. I love that you guys secured and kept these cultivars safe over the years of prohibition for my son to come along and be able to access them. And those are connected intimately, recreational. And I agree with you, Sam.

36:25SpeakerYou know what? The 20 years before I met Dennis, I met Dennis in 1994, Dennis Perrone. He was running the big top in the 70s in San Francisco. And it was legendary for the amount of grass he was selling basically open, out in the open to people. And it wasn't about medical. It was about them being radical and breaking the rules and doing what they felt was right.

36:47SpeakerAnd medical wouldn't come along for decades for them. It wouldn't be until the AIDS crisis. It wouldn't be until they absolutely had to look at the fact of the matter of what was happening in their own community and they saw that cannabis was good. But before all that happened, It was about rebellion. It was about standing up for their rights.

37:07Etienne FontanWell, this is again what we have to do here. And that's what I was getting back to is that because they wish to go after recreational states. I mean, it just came out. Colorado made $1.6 billion last year in sales in cannabis. They're not walking away from that. They've decided that they're going to fight the government, the state of California, the same thing, the state of Washington, the same thing, the state of Oregon.

37:30Etienne FontanSo it's going to be very interesting to see if it was a misspeak by the secretary of lies or if it was actually something that they're going to ramp up and go after recreationally. If so, how is Sessions going to do it? But what it means is it's time to get active. I mean, people need to get active and start calling your representatives every single day. Just call once and make them aware that you're not happy with what's happening in your state.

37:58Etienne FontanYou're not happy with the federal government trying to take away the sales tax. In Colorado, that's improving the school system, okay?

38:09SpeakerYou're going to see... Truthfully, we've got to argue for equal rights. Correct. We're not the same as alcohol, but it would be nice if we were treated the same way. People who were consuming wine and had wine parties and wine tasting events Thank you so much for joining us.

38:45Etienne Fontan13 to 14 different governors. So, you know, get active, get involved, plug in. But if you're in a state where it is recreational legal, you have a support system within your state. They just need to hear from you and get active and get involved. Live your voice, go down there, show up, bring a friend, bring a sign, be active. You can really affect a great deal of change currently.

39:06Etienne FontanAs you can see, all these people showing up at these town halls across the United States, Are really getting traction and it's really making these representatives aware that they can talk all they want, but they still have to deal with the people. And your voice represents everywhere from 100 to 1,000. So use it and it will change a lot. I'm not sure what's going on in Canada, but I know what happens here will ripple into your country.

39:34Etienne FontanBut I see that things are happening currently there with Mark Emery's shops are getting busted simultaneously and other places of, I guess, adult use are being busted currently.

39:47BubblemanYeah, there's no legal mechanism. All dispensaries and vapor lounges are civil disobedience, which is, you know, it's a tough one really, guys, because the civil disobedience that started in Vancouver turned into massive profit making. And so you had people that originally, like Hillary Black, who started the BC Compassion Club, who had the utmost highest integrity that you could possibly believe. It was just almost impossible. There was no trying to create negative profit margins.

40:18BubblemanAll profit margins were given back to the people to the point of Hillary living in near poverty conditions for, you know, the first 10 years of the club. And she just, there's... Let's just say there's been less and less of that and more and more of, you know, it's just easy to buy herb and hash and sell it in a dispensary model protected under that Compassion Club model.

40:42BubblemanSo for me, the dispensary civil disobedience is extremely important, but it has been diluted the same way when people talk about licensed production facilities. Generally, most activists, most people in the cannabis community here Particularly in the dispensary community, most of them will despise and dislike and hate licensed production facilities, whereas not all, mainly because they think of them as giant, huge corporate douchebags that are here to steal the entire business, the industry from people.

41:15BubblemanCan I interject something? Well, the LPs kind of are if they're trying to step on the rights of you. Well, but. But here's the thing. They aren't all trying to step on our rights. There are some that are just like me and Johnny B, that are just like Sam, who's not a bad person, but saw that he needed to do things differently than most people in California.

41:37BubblemanHe recognized the pharmaceutical model. He recognized the work that he wanted to do. Everyone loves Skunk Man Sam. Well, how about respecting how he went about doing this through a legal mechanism? When everyone else just thought it was impossible and chose prohibition-based profit margins, he figured it out. And that's what LPs... Well, he was never an LP. Wow, I get you. And not to sound weird, that's different.

42:00BubblemanHe was a pharmaceutical company with DEA export licenses. Hold on. Before you confuse the point, my whole point...

42:09SpeakerI haven't even finished my point yet.

42:11BubblemanI haven't finished my point yet.

42:13SpeakerThen let me say this because I think you misunderstood. If the LPs are working against people like, let's say, Mark and Jody.

42:21BubblemanAnd that's what I'm trying to say. They aren't all. That's what I'm trying to say. They aren't all. There's like a few who are, and because of it, all of them are getting lumped in, kind of like shitty dispensaries that sell BHO butane soup. And having all the good ones have to sort of float in that cesspool. Like, no, no, we have high integrity. That's all I'm trying to say.

42:43BubblemanYes, there are big LPs that are brutal, that are working against the community, that are trying to get the police to bust dispensaries. But what I'm saying is not all of them.

42:54SpeakerSome of them are good. There's some of them that are suck, though.

42:58BubblemanWell, absolutely, but do we throw them all under the bus then?

43:01SpeakerI sure hope not, because then dispensaries are going to... Well, we've got to fight for equal rights, because, you know, this is the next step, is that, truthfully, it shouldn't be a handful of people growing for the majority. It should be a majority of the majority being able to do what they want. I agree. I agree. F that model, in my opinion, because... I don't think they could do that in California because there are so many people that organically grow in their backyard and supply their neighbors that that would be a system that would be hard to really uproot.

43:29BubblemanYeah, well, that's why our system's federal and not provincial.

43:34SpeakerRight, and for the record, Sam was never an LP, didn't provide anything to anybody. I never said he was. Right, so it's not comparable, not comparable.

43:41BubblemanWell, it is in the sense that a lot of LPs are doing the same thing. They've created research and development. They're doing studies for PTSD and for other diseases through universities that they're paying for. They just happen to have a license to also grow and distribute cannabis.

43:56SpeakerOh, I was under the impression that legal producers were the ones distributing to the medical program in Canada.

44:02BubblemanThey absolutely do their own mail order, and they have their own in-house packaging and shipping and the whole nine years.

44:08SpeakerRight, but if Bedro can, Sam has never been.

44:12BubblemanNo, no, we, that's, you've made that point like six times.

44:15SpeakerNo, you know what though, because I think a lot of people that gave him shit in the 90s when I lived there simply didn't understand or had a privy to understand the privacy of what he was trying to do and people were confused about it and made it out to be something that it wasn't and he caught a lot of shit for it and I watched it and obviously, His best friends, my best friend, Ron Clark.

44:35SpeakerExactly. They always hurt me. And people misunderstood what he was doing. I think comparing him to something like an LP is really not.

44:43BubblemanBut it's exactly what's happening. It's exactly what's happening with LPs, Todd. The same way people are jumping on good LPs that are not pieces of shit in any way, shape, or form is exactly what you said about Sam. And I agree. He got bad energy for no good reason because he was doing incredible work that most of us could only dream about.

45:03SpeakerLiterally, literally. And then I felt that like a lot of the seed companies that thought he was competition didn't even have a fucking concept of what it was really doing.

45:11BubblemanI mean, here's a great comment by PK Brewer. Do we outlaw breweries because Bud and Molson suck? No, we make sure that the model allows to be inclusive and more people are allowed to be a part of it. That's what we fight for. We don't fight to close access that's already been given permission.

45:28SpeakerBut in an example, anyone in California can go start a winery.

45:32Etienne FontanYeah. But how long did it take for the craft market of beer to take off compared to the big ones such as the Miller, the Anheuser-Busch, etc.? Those had to stake markets and those realities have to be watched. However, they are going to allow craft, at least here in California, to start off before mega start-offs so people can get at least their foot in the door before the big people come in.

45:59BubblemanCrafts aren't going anywhere. Craft beer is not going anywhere. It's a secured niche. And if anything, it'll grow as people figure out how to make bigger batches without, you know, affecting the integrity of the batch. Go ahead, Sam.

46:14SpeakerAnd when it comes to cannabis, I would disagree with most people. I truly believe that you can grow the very, very highest quality cannabis On a massive scale, by the acre or by the hundred acres.

46:31BubblemanAnd the difference between you and everyone that says it can't be done, Sam, is that you have done it and they have not.

46:37SpeakerWell, that and also the main thing that it requires really is dedication. Never compromise your values for money or profit. Quality has to come first, second, and third.

46:54BubblemanYep. No, agreed. It's true. Successful craft beer companies are often owned by larger brands. That's true as well.

47:02SpeakerRight. But they didn't start that way. A lot of them started as just, you know, people and then got sold out.

47:08Etienne FontanBut the recipes continue, though. You can still get the same craft beer taste that you had before. So that's what people are looking for. The same thing you look for in your food. You want consistent, good, healthy access. And that's what... That's what people are starting to get. And this is the reality of the change that as this whole dynamic shift as I go back to sociology a bit, you know, it's a whole shift going from, you know, the small craft cannabis that wasn't tested that you have no idea how your friend actually grew it to now having, you know, access to clean tested accessible cannabis across the board, you know.

47:49Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us today.

48:06BubblemanTesting conversation again, the quality of what's being grown and just, you know, the problem that happened up here in Canada with the microbutanol and some other, I guess down in California it was happening as well. Just be really nice, particularly you got to think from a craft perspective. From that quality perspective, that would involve smaller batches, instead of one batch per five pounds or whatever, maybe three batches per pound or something, that you offer your end user.

48:38BubblemanNot only is it this quality, but there's this... Thank you for watching.

49:00BubblemanHow do you give herb a bad name? It's like, well, spray toxic chemicals on it and sell it as a medicine. That would be one great way to give herb a bad name. Or at least in the perspective of people who, you know, bunch everything into one category when they're upset with something rather than sort of look a little closer and see what's going on. It seems to be a huge problem in the community.

49:22BubblemanNot just the cannabis community, but our human community.

49:27Etienne FontanI feel like I'm channeling my inner D420. Bong rip.

49:34BubblemanI can take a bong rip. I'm still waiting for Tony to come in and Natasha was supposed to come in today and I've hit up Alec and Chimera. So I think we'll just keep on keeping on with our convo and eventually it's going to break into some pretty... Some pretty substantial stuff. Natasha was going to bring a guest today. She was actually going to bring Stormy on, the girl who Darren D420K was telling the story about last week, his cousin.

50:02BubblemanShe was going to come on and talk about what she's been going through for her life with her, not a disease, I guess it's called a syndrome. And so I guess we'll have to wait for next week. Oh, nice. You got it. You're welcome. Introduce everyone, man. Come on.

50:19SpeakerMark Scaldone, PhD in Neighborhood Genius, Danny from Kosovo, Korova, excuse me, John Mark Herring from Asahi Glass, Asahi Glass, and myself. Well, welcome, guys. We're sitting here dabbing and watching the show. Hey, everybody.

50:49Etienne FontanI thought you guys were sitting there making some new chemical compound that y'all were just absolutely going to get high off of and say, oh, check it out. We combined minds and created this new bam.

50:59SpeakerWe did last night.

51:02Etienne FontanAnd what's it called?

51:03SpeakerWe're just not telling you.

51:06BubblemanThat's okay. That's what Hash Church is all about, not telling people.

51:09Etienne FontanCan't you create the fuzzy bunny, you know? We created a fuzzy bunny with a fluffy tail. Come on. You're the brother.

51:18SpeakerWe're just having a good time, what can I say? I mean, we've been here for a few days. Truth be told, we didn't make any new molecules, but we visited some old ones. Yeah, some friends of ours.

51:32BubblemanThat's always nice. Did you guys go for a bike ride?

51:40SpeakerIt's snowing fucking here. Jeez.

51:43Etienne FontanIt's a metaphor. I was about to say, don't you guys have metaphors? Doctors? Come on. Jesus fucking Christ.

51:48BubblemanYou're talking about molecules. I'm talking about bicycle rides.

51:52SpeakerIn that case, we had a four-seater bike that we rode out and around the valley.

51:58BubblemanThat's what I'm talking about. Drone style, they flew around the valley. It started out as a bike.

52:02SpeakerWhat you're supposed to say, Marcus, is hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

52:10Etienne FontanWow, and somebody's ears must have been burning because there she be.

52:14SpeakerWelcome, Dr. Natasha. You forgot to say say no more. Hi, Sasha.

52:18DrHello. I was listening, so.

52:21BubblemanThat's Natasha, and that's not Kosovo.

52:24SpeakerHey, I have got from another life leftover scar tissue from a hair lift, okay?

52:32BubblemanOh, that's cool. My best friend growing up had the worst hair lip and I swear most people other than his mom and myself, they just could not understand him. He had a very many operations and the whole tubes and the hole in the cleft and it was bad but he was my best buddy. Shout out to Todd if you're out there listening. You were a good shit.

52:53BubblemanNo, his name was Todd. It wasn't like a joke.

52:57SpeakerToo late.

53:01BubblemanI still, I'm going to shout out Todd, who's not Todd McCormick, my old friend growing up. Maybe he's a puffer. Maybe he's hardcore. Who knows? Maybe he's not. So how are things, Dr. Natasha?

53:14DrVery good. Very good. Yeah, I've been, I've joined you guys. I've been... Doing a few different things. We're trying to set up some research projects with some researchers at UBC to write Like a case study on something similar to like Colton Turner's case report, but it's not about him. It's about another pediatric patient who'd been using cannabis to help with his Crohn's and colitis. And again, he was using a similar oral extract to what Colton was using, like a one-to-one THC to CBD oral pill.

53:57DrAnd what's interesting about his case is we actually have some serum markers and some stool markers. So there's this inflammatory marker that you can measure in your poop. It's called...

54:10DrI'm forgetting what it is right now. But anyway, it'll come to me. And so we can measure this marker and what it does is it shows, it's correlated with inflammation. So as this marker goes down, we can show that there's less inflammation. So that's quite powerful with these reports because normally there's not any, either serum markers or just... Thank you for joining us.

54:46DrSome funding together to put together data from one of the medical cannabis groups. One of the places where patients in Canada can come and get signed up with the Health Canada program. And so they see a lot of patients. There's medical doctors there. We have access to over 40,000 patient files that they've been collecting. Thank you so much for joining us today.

55:37DrShe's really interested in harm reduction and how using medical cannabis can reduce polypharmacy, so other drugs. So she deals with a lot of really difficult to treat pain conditions. And so these patients are on a variety of different pharmaceutical compounds, which, as you know, can have a lot of side effects, which then have to be on other drugs to manage those side effects. And it just ends up being like these patients are almost just in a, like, Thank you so much for joining us.

56:31DrSome interesting movement on that. And the other thing that I've been doing is some just consulting questions that I've been getting, which, you know, as soon as I get really excited when someone contacts me about like cannabis topicals or edibles or something like that, and I get all, you know, okay, they're going to have really complicated questions. But then the questions usually come back to, you know, Standardization issues and so that's I even wanted to talk to you guys about that like even just to talk to the community like how how are people making sure they're having a standardized product because to build up the legitimacy of your organization you want to make sure that your patients or your clients know what they're getting so you want to have good measures of THC, CBD and so what people are doing is getting their final product analyzed but They're having issues with batch to batch variability and so like they wanted some of my ideas about how they could get better consistency with their products and I had a simple solution.

57:35DrI don't know if this is actually what has been happening but I'm like are you measuring your extract before you're putting it into your final skincare formula or your edible formula and then adjusting the oils to get an appropriate dose. And then they paused and thought, oh, no, I think we're just analyzing our final formula, but not realizing like there's batch to batch variability depending on what your extract is.

58:01DrSo it's a seemingly simple solution, but for some people that might be like messing up your standardization. And then another issue is often just like, It's boring, it's just good note taking and how are you measuring your raw bases? Are you using a measuring spoon or are you using a weight? Are you measuring with weight versus a measuring cup?

58:29DrIf you're using like bases like shea butter and something like cocoa butter, if you take a half a cup of each of those and then you take their weight, they weigh like 20 grams different. So you might think you're using a similar amount of a similar product, but then when you try to do a different recipe and you substitute something with something else, it can completely change your formula.

58:49DrSo even just helping people use a scale to weigh their raw ingredients Thank you so much for joining us.

59:18DrThank you so much for joining us.

59:49DrYeah, and they wanted, well, they weren't doing that. I don't think that step, that was the crucial step they were missing. They were just putting it into their product and then taking a final cannabinoid measurement of the final product. So I think they were either having distribution problems.

1:00:02SpeakerRight, but if they're putting it into the product, they need to know what the cannabinoid What the cannabinoid concentration of the extract is, and if it's purified, that's great, because then the closer you are to distillate, the closer you are to purified cannabinoid, and then you're just weighing out essentially CBD or weighing out THC. But if it's only like, if it's a BHO that's, say, between 70% to 80% pure, that means there's 20% other stuff in there.

1:00:33SpeakerSo I'm just trying to get an idea, if they're trying to target A active ingredient load in the final formulation, you need to know what your cannabinoid concentration is on the extract itself. So are they not determining that number?

1:00:51DrThat's what I anticipated the problem was. So they were going to... It was basically what the situation was, was someone had taken over a company and they were having all these issues and he hadn't quite gotten into... He just knew that they were having issues with this formulation, so they wanted to bring in an expert, help them. And so I was walking with him through the process and that's basically the point I got to.

1:01:12DrSo now... He was going to check, but that was the most obvious issue.

1:01:19SpeakerIt's probably the best thing to do is to make sure that they have reproducible results on a batch of extract. So if they run it like two or three times, that they're going to get around the same amount. And then once you know, I take it, if this is BHO, it's not been decarboxylated, correct?

1:01:38DrThat's a good point. I hadn't asked that question.

1:01:40SpeakerBecause if in your formulation you want activated cannabinoid, you would want decarboxylated material. So now you're going to put a thermal history on that extract and you're going to start doing chemistry. So I mean this is I think part of the reason why you're seeing a little bit of drift in the active ingredient that they're measuring in the final product because you're doing chemistry along the way.

1:02:03DrAnd then, of course, as you're adding your extract to, for instance, if you're making a skincare formula or something, if you're heating or sterilizing those products, of course, you're shifting again. You might be making more active compounds.

1:02:18SpeakerI'll just use edibles as a convenient example. Since we have Danny, the lead operations guy from Prova, California's largest edibles company in the room, What they do is they make a butter and then they do the analysis of the butter. And then the butter analysis tells the recipe how much of the activated butter needs to go into a cookie or a brownie to give the targeted Thank you for joining us.

1:03:10SpeakerSo that's the question for you, Natasha, is are the cannabinoids in your formulations activated or the acids do have activity, so it's not necessarily that they wouldn't be active, but they might certainly have a different pharmacokinetic profile than the decarboxylated cannabinoids.

1:03:32DrAnd what do you think if, so going back to the edible and the brownie example, like if you're now baking that food product, how do you think that's going to shift the cannabinoid profile? Like is the heat, I guess it depends on the recipe, but.

1:03:48SpeakerAs you know, I mean, THC is a pretty robust molecule and it can be, it can be a short path distilled at high temperature. Once you have, No, no, wait, go into the brownie thing for a second. Sure. Heat in time is decarboxylation. That's all it is. There's a little graph, Natasha, you can see, starts off at around $1.60 or so, and then it goes over time.

1:04:11SpeakerSo even at 160 degrees over a matter of time, you'll see molecules like THC turn from an acid into, you know, delta-9. Right. So, but the higher the temperature, the faster the decarb. Yeah, I guess the point is, Todd, is that if you put it in an oven, the point is it will decarb. If you're making something like distillate where you know exactly to a very high degree of precision how much active ingredient, you could then just take that and then dose that into a brownie as opposed to, you know, try to play the guessing game of, Well, we started with this much, you know, herb or we made this much butter.

1:04:50SpeakerThe real important thing is to establish what the cannabinoid level is before you formulate that into a product, whether it's with dairy butter or shea butter, it makes no difference because you're taking something that's concentrated and now formulating it into a less concentrated form. So in order to be able to target the active ingredient load in your formulated product, you have to know the active ingredient of your concentrate, or else it's a guessing game, which is what you're saying.

1:05:22DrYeah, and so that's basically what I figured was going to be their main issue of concern. So yeah, you're confirming that that would be the step that they need to test and then retest. Yeah, sorry, going back to the baking thing though, is, so there's no degradation of a THC product with, like, at what point does THC start to break down with heating? Is that really, really long?

1:05:52DrAnybody? What's that time frame?

1:05:54SpeakerLike, if you were making... You know, when you think about a joint, like I'm rolling a joint, but When you light a joint, the tip of the joint is around 1,000 degrees. I read cigarette tips like 1,200 degrees. So wouldn't that mean that the rest of the cannabis in this joint just got vaporized pretty much? And as I smoke it, I'm decarboxylating it as I smoke it because the heat of the smoke is actually changing the joint chemically.

1:06:22SpeakerThat's how I'm getting high. So if you put this in the oven and you bake it at 350 degrees, You're going to decarb whatever cannabinoids are in it. Okay. Wait a second. We have Danny here from Kurova. Again, Danny's… The procedure is to test the butter. So they test the butter for cannabinoid content, right? Right. Well, we test our starting material, then we test the butter, then we test the final product before it hits the shelves.

1:06:50SpeakerSo by the time the consumer gets an edible, it's already been tested throughout the process four times for cannabinoids, microbiological contaminants.

1:07:03SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

1:07:24SpeakerSubstantial change in the cannabinoid profile between the butter and the product that you'd see that? Yeah, I'd notice. You'd notice it and you don't see that, right? No. Okay, so baking brownies is cool.

1:07:36DrAwesome, thank you. So yeah, I guess the question again is just better testing, more testing at stages. So you say you test at basically four different stages along that process?

1:07:49SpeakerCorrect.

1:07:50DrYeah. Wow. That's great. And so what do you, you test for, like what do you show your consumers? You show them obviously like THC, CBD. Do you show them other cannabinoids like a terpene range or what? Or do you just keep that internal?

1:08:05SpeakerNo, we actually don't even test for terpenes. I've never really seen a need to, but I could just out of curiosity. How quickly do you see the THC A turn? In our butter making process, our butter making process goes for five hours. So everything's decarved right there. Five hours at probably about, I don't know, just shy of 200 degrees or so.

1:08:30Etienne FontanYeah. And then how does one guarantee equal saturation throughout the entire edible itself? That's a trick.

1:08:39SpeakerMagic wand. I pretty much just mix the shit out of it. Magic wand.

1:08:43Etienne FontanThey hire me to consult.

1:08:45SpeakerYeah.

1:08:47Etienne FontanSo the technical term is mixing the shit out of makes it get equal because one of the things I had worked with and I had in edibles when we had them tested is we would find like we would find a saturation on one side of the edible and not necessarily on the other side. It happens during either the baking process or somewhere along the way.

1:09:05SpeakerDepends on what you make it with though.

1:09:07Etienne FontanAgreed. So I mean that's the challenge of edible makers.

1:09:13SpeakerRemember at my house 20 years ago they were just melting resin glands in hemp seed oil and I still think it's the best way to make edibles. Yeah. I pretty much try to mix, like overmix it and then everything is weighed, every cookie is weighed and then we do precision machine cutting with all of our bars so everything fits into the tray right and then everything gets cut evenly or weighed individually each time.

1:09:39Etienne FontanConsistency is the key and it's one of the key successes to your product and it's the reason why it's been good from the minute it hit the shelves, it's been consistent. And let that be a lesson to others. Consistence is key.

1:09:52SpeakerDo you just make brownies or do you make chocolate too? No, we will be getting into chocolate in the future. But right now we just do pretty much baked goods and then we do popcorn also. Well, please let me know when you make chocolate and if you make dark chocolate specifically. Just for you, Todd. We'd be happy to be in your testing program for that one. Awesome.

1:10:17SpeakerWe will hit you up on that. Definitely. For sure.

1:10:20DrHow do you do consistency measures for the popcorn? Is that more difficult or do you just create that?

1:10:28SpeakerIt is a little more difficult. We just try to make sure it's all coated evenly. It's a white cheddar popcorn. We make sure it's coated evenly and then we weigh every bag into the packaging and everything and It goes through the same testing process that our cookies and everything do.

1:10:51BubblemanVery cool. Very cool. Wish I was able to come down there and try some out. Stuck up in Canada.

1:11:00SpeakerYou as an edible company, where do you see things going with legalization? Do you ever see a situation where you could have a bag of chips or your magic popcorn in every store that sells cigarettes or beer? I don't know that it'll be quite like that. Nice, though. Yeah, that would be nice. But yeah, I think if it goes that far, the key is going to be child-resistant packaging and clear labeling, because you're going to have a lot of issues if it's that free.

1:11:36SpeakerBut yeah, I mean, that'd be nice, but it'd be tough to adapt. There'd be a lot of regulations associated. Dumb question. How child-resistant is a wine bottle?

1:11:47SpeakerAs a kid, I couldn't get a wine bottle open.

1:11:49Etienne FontanOr a beer bottle for that instance. My mom had cheap wine. She had screw tops.

1:11:57SpeakerIt shouldn't be much different than beer. I mean, I don't think you're going to have to go past that industry. Why don't we argue for equal rights of beer? Open our packages as easily as you can open a beer. That'll be our motto. Because I'm afraid that they'll start sending us beers instead.

1:12:20BubblemanIt is pretty crazy. They treat cannabis like it's plutonium.

1:12:26SpeakerYeah, I think we got to get away from that, talking about it differently. We got to demand equal rights, you know, and I know a lot of us don't feel like our industries are comparable to the alcohol industry or the tobacco industry in light of the destruction both of those industries have done. But we should have the same rights that those parties have. I mean, we really...

1:12:49SpeakerAbsolutely. What I'm going to do is I will breed varieties of cannabis that taste just like different beers and stouts and ales and also Merlots and Chablis and all the rest. I don't like the taste of alcohol at all, but I'll do it anyway just to normalize cannabis.

1:13:15SpeakerYou think alcohol does not have a flavor in it of itself, you're mistaken. Well, the only flavor I ever noticed in it was as my throat was getting ready to puke after my dad poured some gin down my throat. You know, I think we all have to proudly come out as a community and we really do have to demand equal treatment, equal rights. I mean, it's just so unfair that we don't have gathering places legally where we can just smoke a joint like we drink a beer or try some wine.

1:13:46SpeakerAnd these are the things that we have to argue for now. It's not just rights, it's equal rights.

1:13:51BubblemanI'll tell you one thing. As someone who has children, three of them, we recently finally got rid of this last little bit of alcohol that was left over in our house from a party many years ago. And I just never liked the idea of it. I just thought, why do we have this? It's not really good. I also have cannabis and hash in my house. It's put away and I don't in any way worry that my kids are going to get into it or try to access it.

1:14:17BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:14:48SpeakerYou know what? You drink water until you're poisoned by the water, too.

1:14:52BubblemanSure. Yeah. And but not, you know, like if you're going to argue that water is in any way, shape, or form as sort of detrimental or a tear on the social fabric of like our culture in North America.

1:15:08SpeakerThe social fabric, you said alcohol is a poison, and what I'm saying is anything can be a poison if you go over the Okay. All right.

1:15:20BubblemanLet's, let's, let's go with that then. Let's, let's change. Let's, let's take a left turn and let's focus on that.

1:15:26SpeakerBut you know what though? Let me throw this in. What point does it become parenting and guidance? Because you know, there's, there's, there's pharmaceutical pills they got to avoid. There's poisons under the counter they got to avoid. There, there really comes a point where it's, you know, good parenting that steps in and, You know, it doesn't matter if the tobacco was in front of me. For instance, my parents both smoked.

1:15:47SpeakerI didn't go there. Me neither. So I think that, you know what, taking that alcohol away doesn't necessarily work in some ways. Putting the bottle right in front of them and saying, worst decision you can make is a better way to deal with it than, you know.

1:16:03BubblemanIn your opinion, someone who doesn't have children. That's all I'll say about that.

1:16:08SpeakerListen, though, I grew up, I had parents, you know, Mark, you know.

1:16:11BubblemanYou did, and that's a different relationship. When you become a parent, you realize this full circle thing happens. It's nothing like being a child, like nothing.

1:16:21SpeakerI get you that. I'm telling you. When you had kids that I don't know how to raise kids now because I always thought you were going to grow up to be horrible. No one does. Right. And friends that grew up sheltering their kids grew up to raise some really horrible kids.

1:16:32BubblemanI don't pretend to think that I even knew how to raise kids. It just kind of is thrust upon you, and then you really come to the realization of how much you really don't know how to do this. But it's fun.

1:16:43SpeakerBut I think a lot of you, like, I've seen a lot of my peers putting it in the effort that I wished others had. You know, like, it seemed like when I was a kid, a lot of marriages were more disposable, and it There are people like you, like a lot of people don't know it. You've been in the same relationship for a long friggin' time. And you put a ton of effort into your children.

1:17:03SpeakerAnd you do self. And you are putting all this time in that I wish parents did. So I think that's the kind of parenting they need, though.

1:17:12Etienne FontanBut going back to normalization, there are people such as, I know Kayvon in Denver, such as, okay, it took a few years, it took 2012, they changed for legalization. And it took about four years before they started to push for adult use places so that they could actually go into places and actually just use cannabis as adult. It's not there yet. They actually had to take it to the city and it, Even after that, the city I think is unfairly blocking it.

1:17:40Etienne FontanBut you see things like the looper bus, which is a bus where people in Denver can get on and you can go get high and ride around town on this bus. That's a change in the dynamic that it wasn't there before legalization, but now that it's, that dynamic has shifted, now they can work more toward normalization, but we need to see other people take on what Kayvon has done in other cities and in other Thank you for joining us.

1:18:32Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

1:18:52Etienne FontanA majority of cities have passed laws and originally in my old location we had vaporizers set up so people could come in and medicate but in my current location it's too small so I don't have the availability and it's deeply missed that sense of cooperation, understanding as well as the ability to medicate or learn how to medicate. A lot of people You have to understand are new to cannabis, and a lot of the young people have never smoked cigarettes, whereas a lot of older people have a causation with cigarettes so they know how to actually inhale, where some people have to even be taught how to properly inhale, much less how to pack a pipe, how much to put in, much less what type of cannabis there is.

1:19:35Etienne FontanSo I agree, there needs to be a normalization and something that... As Todd was stating, we have to fight for in these local communities so that it becomes a normalization so that it's not seen as this hidden away fearful thing like a bunch of people think. All these dispensers, we make them look like basements and when they show up and see clean professional places, they're blown away.

1:20:00Etienne FontanSo we have to dispel that type of misinformation.

1:20:04SpeakerAnd I wish we get what I mean honestly the thing that really alerted me to Amsterdam was the community around the cannabis culture because you could sit down and meet people from all over literally literally all over and they were smokers the only thing you had in common was the love of cannabis and you could sit and talk and I really do I miss that now in America that there isn't places because even these outlets I mean BPG is nice but

1:20:36SpeakerHaving that place to go and sit and bond and meet people and talk to people, it's just Something I can't wait when it happens here because it's so beautiful.

1:20:46BubblemanWe had it. We had it for a solid 10 plus years. Why did it stop?

1:20:52SpeakerIn Canada you mean?

1:20:53BubblemanWell, the DEA came and arrested Mark Emery and Mark was really funding so much of it and not only funding it but like creating that protective wing that other people would move into like Blunt Brothers and the Amsterdam Cafe. These shops all kind of Secured one another. They were in a rougher neighborhood, so they were allowed to exist. It was kind of like the same reason the cops aren't avidly busting our dispensaries here in Vancouver, while in Toronto, every other day one gets busted.

1:21:24BubblemanSo it's just, it's the same country, but the two different provinces look at it differently. Vancouver's like, it's just not a priority. And Toronto's like, we got nothing better to do.

1:21:34SpeakerDid those places stop work going after Mark went to jail? Yeah!

1:21:40BubblemanYeah, Mark going to jail. Listen, Mark was funding the community. He was, when everyone was like, oh, he was giving away millions of dollars. It's like, yeah, he was funding the community. He wasn't only sending bail money to Americans that got caught with his seeds, which he did send a lot of, like, I'm sure it was in the hundreds of thousands, if not the million plus that he just gave to customers who bought seeds off him and then got busted, which was incredible because I guarantee you very few of those people would have sent any of their profit to Mark if they had not been busted.

1:22:14BubblemanBut he was just funding the community, like whatever there was happening, any of the parties, All of the activists, you know, like David Malmo Levine and Chris Bennett and all these guys. He sort of created a business, Dana Larson, the magazine, you know, full like education and information, you know, putting out massive quantities of information. Just really all at a loss to himself, like not, you know, like ever, it's not like everything was profitable.

1:22:44BubblemanPot TV, the first streaming, like put cannabis video content onto the internet, he did that out of his pocket and I'm certain at one point in time he was spending like 30 grand a month on it.

1:22:57SpeakerYou know what everybody's missing, Mark? I just would point this out. It's not just all business. No. What people are really missing about sitting around and smoking. Harkins back to a time when they used to do something called satsang, where they sit around and talk with each other and lift each other up and empower one another rather than playing or putting you down. They would exchange information freely.

1:23:23SpeakerLike we do on church. Like we do on church. And the whole world's missing that. The world is missing being able to sit down and talk with each other. And it creates all the tension. I said before and I'll We can get a handle on that, all of us at the same time, and not fight with the government, but Gandhi them to death until we get them to bow down are all of the people who are in power now.

1:24:02SpeakerI've gotten old and retired and younger, fresher ideas that clean your fresher minds are in place. And that's probably the only way we're going to climb out of this. We have to climb out of it brighter than anything they've ever done to us or it won't count.

1:24:20BubblemanIt's definitely an accurate statement. I mean, Amsterdam is a very well-traveled city. People from all over the world go to Amsterdam. And that's why those coffee shops had a very unique, eclectic group of people that you could talk to from all over the world. And Vancouver is very much the same way. With all of those shops that existed here, while they didn't exist down south, not only were Americans coming up to check it out, and a lot of them, But people from all over the world, all over the world.

1:24:49BubblemanIt was a pretty incredible 10 plus years of just being able to go to Blump Brothers or the Amsterdam Cafe, even back then as well, my own shop, The Melting Point, and create this sort of atmosphere that was like a nice place to be able to sit down and talk to someone that you might not know, but maybe get to know someone that you're going to know for the rest of your life at this place.

1:25:14BubblemanYou don't meet people like that everywhere. But you could if we all sat down.

1:25:20SpeakerAnd now is the time that the whole new product, in my opinion, is bringing the community together. The people that are brave enough to open the speakeasies and allow people to come in. And this is going to be what is the change. I mean, because right now we're forced to stay home and, you know, stay out of sight. And it's wrong. I mean, We should have all the rights of the wine industry.

1:25:46SpeakerAnd with that, we should be allowed to have community and to celebrate our success and not to feel down for ourselves. I mean, we should have all those rights too. What you basically are calling for, Todd, are Amsterdam style coffee shops, but scattered through every city in America. Well, we should have a right to come together. I mean, if we have a right to bars and we have a right to wine tastings and we have a right to beer, you know, Oktoberfest things and beer gardens, we should have a right to get together and smoke cannabis as much as anyone else does.

1:26:23BubblemanI mean, you know, here in Canada, because we have federal law, I thought the idea would be to open up like a private club or a private lounge where people could come and just really, you know, smoke as much as they want, vape as much as they want. But it's not really my rule because I see people doing it like, oh, we just, you need to have a card from a club or...

1:26:45BubblemanWhat allows me to check someone's medical necessity of anything? If Canada has a law that allows it to be done, I can open a space that allows them to come and do it in. And I shouldn't have to check to see if they have permission from their government from a prescription from their doctor to use... And a note from their mom. Yeah, and a note from their mom.

1:27:08SpeakerMarcus, maybe if you're selling the products to them, the cannabis products... But if they bring their own, for example, then, yeah, it's just a private club. That's it.

1:27:20BubblemanI have no interest in selling the product.

1:27:22SpeakerIt's how they do not allow us or they do not relinquish control. They want to make it like, okay, you have permission because you got a note from your mom. You got a note from your mom and us, so you can sell a little bit more. And they never fucking really let go. We don't really get freedom. What we get is incremental bullshit. No, we're going to get freedom.

1:27:44SpeakerI'm printing up cards with your picture on them and it says, Indra says, let me go. Nice. I already have 10,000 of those with your picture on them.

1:27:55BubblemanOh my God. Indra says, let me go. Skunk Man Sam says, let me go. That's a hashtag right there.

1:28:02Etienne FontanBut then Sam says, but send me a copy so I have one as an actual copy for my historical collection.

1:28:09BubblemanYeah, of course, of course.

1:28:11SpeakerI'll send you 50.

1:28:15BubblemanThat's funny.

1:28:16SpeakerBut really, they don't want to really give us control. They want to incrementally give us tiny little bits. Look.

1:28:30SpeakerSo, why? She's not putting crap in her cosmetics that the big companies put in theirs. Some of the stuff you look at in the big company stuff is absolutely over the fucking limit nasty.

1:28:43BubblemanYeah, no, it's ridiculous. And in fact, I've been using Natasha's cream, one of the creams she gave me. I just had the driest nose for years, and I'm a dude. I'm like, I don't moisturize. But I got this cream from Natasha, and I'm like, I opened it up. It's like, it just smells like really beautiful shea nut butter, but a bunch of other stuff too. But it's got that real hard, sort of soft, Melts away beautifully.

1:29:05BubblemanLike, it's a high-end product. Even the case, the little jar and the cap are high-end. She's definitely done a good job on that product. You guys deserve props. And I saw you guys were in, like, Vogue magazine. That's pretty big time, hey?

1:29:21DrNot quite there yet. Not Vogue. It was Elle. Yeah, Elle magazine, but the UK version. So, Elle UK, yeah.

1:29:28SpeakerStill a huge magazine.

1:29:30DrYeah, no, it was awesome. And we actually still don't even know how they actually heard about us. We figure it's probably just through our website or online content. But yeah, so.

1:29:41BubblemanThey watch Hash Church, clearly. Because we were also in that episode of Elle. I'm just joking. Did you imagine?

1:29:49DrHopefully someday. Yeah, we will have because like again, those products right now don't have cannabis in them. They have hemp seed oil and we designed them to target the endocannabinoid system and work very complementary with cannabis products. But As many of you know, my husband has his federal license. He's going through the updated ACMPR process, and he had the previous MMAR license to grow cannabis. I've been his caregiver, so through that process, I've been able to develop cannabis topical pain blends for him.

1:30:26DrWe're also in the process of developing those products. I can't legally sell them at this point, but what we are doing is even our base blends work really well on their own. So I gave Johnny B for his birthday a little vial of some of the, like a little rollerball of one of the more cooling pepperminty blends that we make. But yeah, so we'll be looking at, well, we're still further developing them, getting the packaging really tight, figuring out where we want to have our products.

1:30:57DrBut yeah, it's been interesting.

1:31:01SpeakerDo you ever see a sensitivity in any of your customers to peppermint? I'm just curious.

1:31:08DrYeah, you have to be really careful with essential oils. There's people with all kinds of sensitivities and that's one of the reasons I think it's very important to clearly label what you have in your blends and a lot of these essential oil formulas people want to protect their formula which I understand but and so you can even get away with just putting like oh just contains essential oils and not actually listing which essential oils are in the formula but People have all kinds of sensitivities.

1:31:39DrThey use it to say essential oils are bad. There was a lot of people trying to say lavender was harmful because lavender

1:31:51DrSome experiments have shown that linalool, when it's exposed to oxygen, becomes oxidized and can cause irritation in some people. So if you're using old essential oils and some of these terpenes are breaking down, they can cause more sensitization in certain people, especially people with sensitive skin. So again, you want to make sure you're using the freshest essential oils that you can when you're making these types of formulas because Thank you so much for joining us.

1:32:41DrThank you for watching.

1:33:02DrAnd that's a nice stable form of vitamin C because vitamin C is normally water soluble. And a problem again is so vitamin C is amazing for skin care because it's really good for age spots and has like for anyone using it for beauty or even for like healing wounds or if you have like scar tissue, vitamin C can be really helpful for these kinds of things. But a lot of people buy the vitamin C powder which is very affordable.

1:33:28DrAnd if you're making fresh blends, that's okay like week to week. But a lot of these home formulas, the vitamin C breaks down really fast. And again, you can essentially have a useless product. So then you put more of this compound in it and it can cause irritation. So like that's a bit of a... Just be careful when you're using these things. And peppermints, don't put that on your face.

1:33:52DrWhenever I make my menthol peppermint blends, I recommend them mostly for feet or even your shoulders, but not really your delicate tissues. Because even some of the blends I make, they're really effective for... Thank you for joining us.

1:34:31DrThank you for joining us today.

1:34:48DrThank you for joining us.

1:35:13DrThank you.

1:35:33DrI've been very careful with really labeling what's in my blends and telling people, similar with cannabis, you know, start low, go slow, see how your body responds because we're all very individual. Some things work really well for some people, some things can make pain worse for some people. So, especially peppermint, even like a lot of people are using, you know, limonene as an additive and people think limonene is safe all the time but, Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:36:28DrIt's more to the homemaker when you're breathing in a lot of these essential oils. Yes, they have benefits, but just be careful in very high doses. They can cause sensitivity.

1:36:36SpeakerWell, one thing people don't realize about essential oils is they're also in high doses. Very, very intoxicating. My son and I once opened our 600-gallon lower chamber full of lavender oil without masks on.

1:37:00SpeakerWe were really, really, really, truly intoxicated beyond belief from opening that chamber and having the

1:37:38SpeakerRight behind us. And they were also drooling. So all those oils are potentially Dangerous.

1:37:47DrWell, and that's a good point, what you said even with the mice because a lot of the experimental research, if you look back, a lot of these essential oils and terpenes are being studied for pest management because, and I know lots of people know things like lemongrass for bug spray, but all of these essential oils have very strong pest management capabilities also. They can kill a lot of things.

1:38:12DrSo sometimes if you're putting too much on your skin, you can also kill some of your good bacteria. So again, you got to, it's about balance and dosing. But how long did the lavender last for? When you said you've experienced the really...

1:38:27SpeakerIt lasted for a good two and a half hours. The hilarity laughing part was an hour and a half. It was very stressful because...

1:38:44SpeakerSo we realized that, wow, this is a powerful intoxicant because I had never... The only other time I laughed that hard was on laughing gas a few times, you know, where you completely lose control. But the lavender, the fresh overhead from that much of it, 600 gallons, just hammered us. We had no chance whatsoever. I think all of the essential oils are probably powerful in that way.

1:39:09SpeakerI just remember when the mice ran out of the building, the intense look of... Thank you for watching.

1:39:41SpeakerWho knows? We have to learn how to use these things. These things are really, really, really powerful. They have a long-term effect. And I live by the theory that there's some of everything in everything. That in you, the entire world and universe exists. It's all there in you. And it's all there in everybody else. And so all these parts of it are in us. And you can bring one to the top because everything has an affinity in this world.

1:40:08SpeakerYou ever extract poison ivy? No, I extracted poison oak once for a company in Massachusetts. Boy, you think that that would make like almost like some kind of warfare agent, right? You could just spray that on people. You know what? We were really careful with it. We had masks. We have full head mask and oxygen things in our place where we can just pipe into pure oxygen.

1:40:30SpeakerBut it took a few things being uncapped. And a great quantity for us to learn that the lavender was one of the first ones. Well, that compound, that main irritant that's in poison ivy is similar to that. And I might actually have TRP level. I don't even, some type of inhibitory level on that same capsaicin receptor. I know when I filed patent in 2002,

1:40:56SpeakerYeah, no, these aren't terpenes. These are phenols, and these have... Well, I didn't know... They have a long, fatty tail, too, so they...

1:41:07BubblemanThe building blocks of terpenes.

1:41:10SpeakerYeah, I didn't know about phenols at the time. I mean, I had just started learning about terpenes from... Yeah, they might be derived... I don't know. Maybe the poison ivy molecule is derived from terpenes. I could look into it, but I know it's a phenol for sure. And it's very particular about its substitution. Its substitution on that ring, if you change any of the substitutes around, you don't get the activity that you get the poison ivy molecule.

1:41:35DrWhat did they want the product isolated for? You said poison oak or was it poison ivy?

1:41:40SpeakerYeah, it was poison oak. They wanted some poison oak oil and they didn't, companies didn't always divulge to us why they want something extracted. They came to us and asked us if we had the capability. I said, yeah. Make sure it's not an illegal thing that we do. And then they send it to us. And we did it in the laboratory in our bed stop extractor that we have in the lab.

1:42:03SpeakerAnd we packaged it right out of, we used nitrogen, put it into a collapsible bag that they sent us, closed it off, washed our equipment, and sent it off to them. I don't know what they were going to do with it. But I can tell you that the oil from it was dichromatic. One way you look at it,

1:42:28BubblemanHey, welcome, D420K.

1:42:31SpeakerAll right. All right. How you doing? How's everybody doing?

1:42:37BubblemanWe're just doing wonderful, having some fun conversation on this Sunday afternoon. Already been at it for almost two hours, actually, surprisingly enough.

1:42:46SpeakerI got a little story, just a little one.

1:42:49BubblemanNo, we don't want to hear any stories today.

1:42:51SpeakerOh, you got it.

1:42:52BubblemanI'm just joking.

1:42:55SpeakerThese dogs beside me and the dogs behind me, I've never had a sleep in without these dogs waking me up from their owners just letting it run loose. So I put a little complaint out, like I just complained on Facebook on a post, and I got a buddy that's got a huge PA system, and another buddy that's got a wicked recording system that we've recorded these dogs, their own dogs barking, And I'm going to blast these guys with this PA system of their own dogs barking at about 3 a.m. this morning coming up.

1:43:30SpeakerAnd I mean blast them with these dogs, their own dogs barking. So it's going to be kind of funny. Tony Soprano style. I think I might have to record it just to do it. Like the neighbors aren't bad. They're good people. And I don't mind them. We all get along pretty good. But this is going to be my little way of... Show a little fuckery to them.

1:43:55BubblemanIt's one of those situations, hey, where if you're truthful to them, you come across as an asshole.

1:44:01SpeakerWell, yeah, well, they got bark collars on the dogs and everything, like for when they let them out at night. See that shit? No.

1:44:10BubblemanIt's George Carlin. Oh, yeah, until you're truthful. Until you're truthful, yeah. Then you're just an asshole.

1:44:17SpeakerWell, I'm just going to give them a little example of it and say, oh, what? You guys don't like that? It's your dogs. It's your dogs barking. It's not like it's me. So maybe put the dog collar on them at night or 5 o'clock in the morning when you let them out. That's all. So that's my little story, a little bit of fuckery today.

1:44:38BubblemanDogs barking.

1:44:39Etienne FontanThat'll drive you nuts. I cannot wait to hear how this goes down. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah.

1:44:47SpeakerI went to this pancake breakfast that they hold at the Eagles Hall here. And I got loaded up, and the people that cook the pancake breakfast are my neighbors. So I talked to him. I said, oh, buddy, you wait till you see what I got in store for you. I got a PA system, and I recorded your dogs. Wait till tonight. He's like, huh? I go, probably about 3 AM.

1:45:06SpeakerHe's like, oh, come on, D, not 3 AM. I'm like, yeah, probably about 3 AM. Well, two hours before you get up to let your dogs out at 5 AM. He's like, can we work it out? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe. Put your collars on. Those bark collars, they put them on those dogs. Those dogs don't make a peep. They go do their stuff and bark all day.

1:45:26SpeakerI don't care. But then it's the waking me up. Every single day for the last five years.

1:45:32Ryan Dank AfJust blast.

1:45:34BubblemanFive years?

1:45:35SpeakerThe very first day I lived in this house, the guy had the fence post off, one of the fence things, and that dog came out at five o'clock in the morning and stood outside my bedroom window and barked until I went outside and said to the guy, what the fuck are you doing, man? Like I chased the dog out of my yard the first day we lived here.

1:45:56SpeakerBut you know those mark collars? You know, man, I think you should just take this into your own control and give it a little entry. A little boom hit for the dog, bro. Dog, I love you. And that would probably cap the problem, you know?

1:46:11BubblemanWhat do you think, Todd? Like a gram of 99.999% gland heads?

1:46:16SpeakerWell, mix it with some CBD. You might be having joint problems. And some peanut butter. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:46:41SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:47:04SpeakerI would never be rude to my neighbor. It's not like that. The dog behind me, when he barks, I can get up and tell him to shut up and go lay down. That dog goes up on his porch, shuts up, and lays down. He's cool. But you as my neighbor should never have to, dude. My dog should never bother my neighbors. I'm surrounded by three of them.

1:47:27SpeakerI'm going to combat it. I can get a...

1:47:34SpeakerTrain, a train whistle hooked up to an air compressor. So whenever they do that, I'm going to, and I'm going to blast out one of those up today. I'm going to war the best, friendliest way, non-harmful way that I can. The air horn at the fence would be pretty effective in my opinion. I think so. I think so. It's going to be a train one. Pushing that button right when the dog gets up to the fence.

1:48:04SpeakerWhat's that?

1:48:15SpeakerGet a horn, an air horn that's activated by the dog's barking.

1:48:20BubblemanBingo.

1:48:21SpeakerYes. Old man, I'm setting shit up. It ain't happening. Like, I got this area for my little dabs, and these dogs, these two big lab pit bull crosses are just at the fence, and my little dog's trying to be tough and barking back and everything. I want to set my area up for her. I'm grassing it and putting a house and everything. I don't want that to be just, you know, a constant thing.

1:48:45SpeakerSo it's getting dealt with. I have a robot arm that has a laser face tracking system on it. You could do the laser face tracking system and a tiny hose, high pressure water over the fence. Every time the fucking dog showed up in park, it's squirting. Mm-hmm. Well, I got hoses out there, too. It's too cold right now. It's on the hose. Everything's frozen. Oh, my God.

1:49:10SpeakerDude, I think Aaron won because it also sends a message to the neighbor. Oh, yeah. I just picture...

1:49:16BubblemanI just picture... It's like extract, right? Two weeks goes by and there's just like a crater where Dee's house and his neighbor's house used to be. He's got the whole thing documented. Well, today was the day. Fucking everybody's gone.

1:49:35SpeakerNo, it's pretty funny because the neighbors are not bad guys. The guy is a pretty good dude. The guy's wife, I won't say.

1:49:45BubblemanIt's just their dogs are dicks.

1:49:47SpeakerBut their dogs are fucking dicks. I've got a good neighbor policy with them. I snowblow their driveway when they're out of town. Yeah, you're a good neighbor. You are a good neighbor. Absolutely. It's time to be an absolute fucking prick.

1:50:07BubblemanRight. It's not really being a prick, you know. It's a pretty major thing to be woken up every day, especially when you have full days ahead of you, lots of work. It's not really fair.

1:50:18SpeakerWhat did they say when you asked him about it? Oh, he told me he has bark collars and they're usually pretty good with those on. Can I switch this up? As soon as you hear your dog make fucking noise at fucking pre-6 a.m., could you please just call him in so I don't wake up? Oh yeah, I'm having a talk with him today. I told him at the place.

1:50:37SpeakerIt would be the polite thing to do. Yep. There's several remedies that can be used for canine laxatives.

1:50:46Etienne FontanJust blast them still. Just blast them at 3 a.m. Fuck that.

1:50:50SpeakerFive years of that bullshit, just blast them. Canine laxatives actually that work, you know, sort of in an uncontrollable way. Yeah, but the thing is I don't want to do, I don't want to go to that level, literally. If I'm going to go to a type of level that I'm going to drug them up and make them shit all over the house and everything, I might as well just hop the fence and fucking break their necks.

1:51:12SpeakerNo, that's the air horn. Right, like, I don't want to hurt anyone, any of them. I don't believe in it. It would, it would, it just wouldn't happen. I'd just have to eat the fucking barking before I did anything like that.

1:51:24Etienne FontanAir horn, it's not violent, it's loud, it will make the dog shit themselves.

1:51:29BubblemanYou know what else works really good? Chloroform.

1:51:36SpeakerNo, because you know what? What's in the box? What's in the box? I think it's the neighbor you really have an issue with. Well, I think it's his wife mostly.

1:51:48BubblemanI think it's the dogs. Yeah, I think it's the barking. If his wife's out there at 5 in the morning barking, then it's the wife.

1:51:57SpeakerNo, she's the one that lets him in. When I get up, go up my patio and scream, shut the fuck up, as loud as I can. Then she comes out the door and she's like, Jersey! And the other one, I don't even know the other one's name, and then calls him in and it's just like... I just look at it and I go, I said to her yesterday, I said, I'm going to get six dogs that are going to make your dogs look like choir children.

1:52:20SpeakerBecause mine are going to be so noisy 24-7. I was just pissed yesterday. I'm sweating a little bit right now talking about it. It just fucking riles me up.

1:52:34BubblemanSomeone in chat is like, did Dr. Mark just advocate dosing the dog? Man, sometimes people are too liberal. You know? That's what I'm talking about.

1:52:45SpeakerDon't get around.

1:52:46BubblemanI don't talk too much.

1:52:49SpeakerI think that was Mike Bishop. Come on, bitch. I don't want to get around. But if your dog is constipated, if you do suffer from canine constipation, there are several natural homespun remedies for canine lactidism. I can tell you that sometimes it works. I can't. How about we all do a ballroom?

1:53:15BubblemanStrawberry banana. Ooh, nice. I got that strawberry banana. A little DNA genetics. OG kush, the kush. My God. I love when the hit just tastes like candy, fruit, like delicious candy. Just delicious. I don't even know how else to put it.

1:53:38SpeakerOh, wait till you taste that six star bubble hash, buddy. Wait till you taste that six star bubble that I made. And I've got about 15 more garbage bags of it, of the really nice fresh frozen to, not full garbage bags, but quite a bit to make into the fresh frozen bubble hash. And it's just fucking candy. I can't believe it. Can't believe it.

1:54:10BubblemanCandy's good. So how's the wee dab doing there, Andy?

1:54:16SpeakerAbsolutely.

1:54:19Etienne FontanThere she be.

1:54:20SpeakerDoing good. She's crazy. She's a little terrorist. She's awesome. Absolutely awesome. Yum.

1:54:38Etienne FontanSo Marcus, when will you be in Barcelona?

1:54:43BubblemanI get to Barcelona on the 9th, which is crazy because Legends of Hash is going to be on the 10th that night, which means I have literally one night, one day at the event to sell people tickets. But I do want to announce, thank you for actually bringing this up because I probably never would have. That if people do want to get tickets, Flav421 on Instagram is going to have tickets.

1:55:09BubblemanAnd I hope he's going to drop some off for sure at La Calada, potentially at Wee Flowers. And I haven't talked to David at HQ yet, but I suspect he'll be on point for allowing tickets to be sold there as well. We'll have tickets available that way and I would say, yeah, be quick about it because there's no, usually I wait till the last day of the event and I use the whole event to see people and to check things out and to move the tickets that way but it's going to be a lot more rushed than that so thanks for reminding me and asking that question, Etienne.

1:55:46BubblemanThat was very helpful. I just never remember my own shit. I'm here to help.

1:55:53SpeakerHow many legends have you done in Barcelona?

1:55:56BubblemanThis will be the second legends in Barcelona. I did three of them in Vancouver, and I believe we did 13 of them in Amsterdam.

1:56:07SpeakerNope, we did 12 in Amsterdam.

1:56:10BubblemanOkay, so 13 was Barcelona one.

1:56:15BubblemanThere it is. So number two for Barcelona this year. And I'm planning on being there this year. So hopefully it'll be pretty good. Got a couple of little things planned and see how it goes.

1:56:29SpeakerYou'll have to admit, Marcus, that the last few legends that we've had, both the last couple ones in Amsterdam and the one in Barcelona, the quality seems to double at every single event.

1:56:46BubblemanYeah, the quality is on point. Like I said, I didn't get to smoke anything from Legends in Barcelona. Remember how sick I was? I just, I showed up, I set everything up, I paid all the bills, and then I split.

1:56:58SpeakerWell, you're pretty smart now. You won't have time to get sick before Legends.

1:57:03BubblemanRight. How did I come in a third time? Oh, wow, that's cool. We're all Bubble Man's world. How's it going, Tony? That was totally trippy. I was literally looking at Todd thinking he's frozen and that's going to be him. But when it opened up and it was you, it literally shocked me. So welcome to Hash Church and of course, happy 72nd birthday to Tony.

1:57:29SpeakerTo my dad, yeah. Thank you for that. You're most welcome. I appreciate that, yeah. I told him I was rooting for him. He started laughing. He goes, what do you mean? I said, well, you know, if you lived to 90, that's... That's going to allow me to live longer, you know? I'm rooting for you. Right? What a way to look at it. I was like, you're 72, you've got another 20 years.

1:57:54SpeakerThat's wild. Mm-hmm.

1:57:58BubblemanYeah, well, hopefully, hopefully, 90 is amazing. I think, man, I wish my dad could have made it past 55. Even like to 65, 70 or whatever would have been, meet more of the kids, his grandkids, and just see a lot more. He didn't meet two of his grandkids, his granddaughter, my sister's daughter, and my third son he never got to meet. So the things you think about as you get older, you just want your parents to meet your kids.

1:58:28SpeakerYeah.

1:58:30BubblemanFor real. Yes, Steven Puente, RIP to all the dads and all the moms.

1:58:36SpeakerAnd the moms. My stepdad and I were talking just the other day thinking how much my mom would just absolutely be in the best glory she could be in surrounded by all the grandchildren and everything like that that are there today. It's amazing. I can picture her with a smile on her head surrounded by them. She's missed greatly, absolutely. Yeah, for sure.

1:59:06SpeakerSo last night I went to a secret sesh.

1:59:11BubblemanHow was that? Is that that Adam guy that throws those?

1:59:14SpeakerI don't know if it was a secret sesh or what it was, but it was with the Czar Brothers. I guess it was the first time there was all non-solvent at the event. At their property? Yeah.

1:59:32BubblemanVery cool. So how was that? I saw the picture of you with the Dank Duchess and some other folks there. You all looked pretty darn happy.

1:59:42SpeakerOh, yeah, okay. Yeah, they were taking some pictures. I walked in and I never got past the first chair on the first table on the left. So I sat down and I brought some... I brought some... Some of the Bubble Man, like flower rosin and the Wi-Fi. But then I came out. Remember how we were working on the little oils and stuff? This is what's left of the lemon fuel.

2:00:08SpeakerIt's like really for that, more for a vape pen. Remember that kind of thing? But then I made this stuff. It's called the, this was like the running kind of humor through the whole night. This was the cream. It's like the terp cream.

2:00:23BubblemanYeah, yeah. I see the color in that. I recognize that one.

2:00:28SpeakerYeah, it's creamy. So what I was doing was just pouring. This thing was full last night. So what I was doing was doing dabs of the strawberry banana goo and then pouring the cream, if you will. I'll demonstrate it for you because I haven't had anything yet this morning.

2:00:44BubblemanYeah, start us off, dude. Start us off.

2:00:47SpeakerLet me demo this.

2:00:48BubblemanThis is good. This is good. He's got his heady piece. Little torching. Look at that. You know, I want to give him a mad thumbs up to how fast he muted his mic before he turned on his torch. Because I have to say, I was gearing up for the in my ears. Thank you, Tony.

2:01:06Etienne FontanYou act like he's never done this before.

2:01:08BubblemanIt's not his first rodeo. But you know what? We get all, you know, Tony in particular, because he's a very focused person, he never notices anything. The things he's doing with his hands when he'll get right into talking and he'll be like going deep on something and maybe be like have a pen in his hand going click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. So I, you know, I was ready for it if, but he was on that shit.

2:01:30SpeakerHe was on that shit. Yeah, I can't remember what the chopping up lines was.

2:01:39BubblemanIt was nothing like that. I remember him telling me. No, it was my dog food.

2:01:44SpeakerI have, uh, I have raw organic dog food that's free, that I freeze dried, that I had water back in. And what I was doing was, uh, I was chopping up the freeze dried, uh,

2:01:59BubblemanI'm joining you for a rip. D420K. Bone rip.

2:02:02SpeakerBone rip. Tony, what do you feed your doggy? Other dogs. Yeah. I feed her like carrots and string beans and lamb and all kinds of everything but chicken, to be honest with you. How come everything but chicken? She's allergic to chicken. Oh, okay. Well... We think she's allergic to chicken. She lost some of her hair on her face when she was younger and the doctor said she was allergic to chicken.

2:02:31SpeakerBut I can tell you that like when we went to a, when I went to this one farm out here to look at some CBD material, this lady had like two or three, they had like three chickens on the property. Okay, hold on a second. I'll tell you the story after this.

2:02:47BubblemanIs that a walk-in freezer in your bedroom?

2:02:50SpeakerNo, that's funny. All right, so we're going to do a little... Oh, shit. Hold on. Get this thing ready. Get it going. People were coming up trying to get creamed last night.

2:03:06SpeakerI'm not going to pass you. Do you have any formulas for doggies and their organic feeds or anything like that? Do you have any ideas for that? Or Mark? I want to feed the doggies the best I can. I give her wild berries, organic free-range chicken or turkey, green beans, peas, carrots, some cheese, a little bit of shredded cheese in there, and maybe a little bit of fried egg.

2:03:36SpeakerIs there anything better?

2:03:40DrWell, dog health is similar to nutrition health in that it's very individual and so it sounds like you guys are doing a good job and just even experimenting with foods that your dogs can tolerate or can't tolerate because most people are still not even on that level. It's just like following a recipe and being like, why didn't my dog respond to this? But So I don't personally make dog diets or anything, but I've been asked a few times to look into the issue and people who were thinking about it.

2:04:13DrAnd my husband Dave's mom actually does small breeding with golden retrievers. It's more of a hobby than a hobby. It's a small business for her, but she's very knowledgeable about large breed dogs. It was interesting, you said your dog was allergic to, what did you say, chicken? Yeah, because with Dave's mom's dogs, they also can't have chicken, and a lot of them, it gives them diarrhea, and so they have to be a little creative with meats they can feed the dogs.

2:04:52DrSome people have their dogs on raw diets, some have them on cooked diets. And again, I think it depends on what's working for your dog and what they're responding to because similar to humans, they can have allergies or insensitivities or even go through phases where they can't tolerate something for a little bit and then maybe they can tolerate it again. But again, it's like focus on real food.

2:05:16DrThank you for watching.

2:05:44DrThe other thing that I can say is that some people try to put their animals or their pets on a vegetarian or a vegan diet. And again, keep in mind that animals are different than us and usually they do need some type of meat or protein. Although there is this one interesting study that they did with husky dogs and they put them on a vegetarian diet. For really short term, I think it was like three weeks, and then they compared them to huskies that were on a regular meat diet, and they found that they didn't get sicker or anything.

2:06:16DrThey actually were healthy, they were able to run and perform all the dog tests, and their blood spectrums were similar, so I mean... I'm not totally against doing these types of diets if they're done correctly. And again, I think if a dog is going through cancer or has like an inflammatory disorder or similar to humans, like these types of issues, going on a plant-based diet for a short term as a therapy can be really effective.

2:06:45DrSo yeah, it's very similar to humans. It's a spectrum and you're really eating toward what is the dog healthy. Thank you for joining us.

2:07:05SpeakerYou know, like if you use Evian or Fiji water, it could get expensive for your dog. I have a little dog, but you could use these little, you could do like a little Home Depot sells like what they call a cube, which goes underneath the sink and kind of does your first filtration. And then you could do a, I'll show you these little ionic exchangers.

2:07:30SpeakerEven the pH high in their diet. Yeah. Yeah. As well as yours. It's healthy for you too. I'll show you.

2:07:41DrThe only thing with that stuff is make sure there's a good source of magnesium because normally tap water or regular water has some magnesium in it, so make sure they're getting the bottled water or whatever water source. Similar to us, many humans and dogs are probably magnesium deficient, so you need magnesium. It's really important for Thank you so much for joining us.

2:08:32SpeakerAnd you can also, when you're talking about meats, that's why things are important. My dog likes salmon, so you can get like different types of meats will also carry amino acids, but they'll also have essentials and they could have different contents of magnesium too. It just depends on what you're making in the food, you know?

2:08:57DrFor sure. Do you guys do any like greens for your dogs? Like any cooked veggies? I know you had mentioned a few things, but greens specifically.

2:09:07SpeakerShe likes straight beans.

2:09:09DrOkay, but the greens, leafy greens, so like I guess spinach or something like that.

2:09:13SpeakerKale, I got dried kale in there.

2:09:15DrReally?

2:09:16SpeakerGood one. I've got kale steaming right now with a wild rice blend, so I mixed that with free-range chicken. I got some fish today I'm actually going to put in today, some nice white fish. I had problems with my dogs with grains, and the three I have now, they're The two of them, their dad had issues with his skin conditions and stuff, so I switched him off of grain-free, or I went to grain-free food with their dad, and they've never been on grains, and they are super healthy.

2:09:50SpeakerAnd I take some hemp nut, dehulled hemp seed, and I sprinkle it on their food occasionally. Oh, that's good. And I think it's just a great booster. If you go too much with it, it loosens things, so I don't recommend... Thank you for joining us.

2:10:30DrIt's super adorable and everyone wants to give him little snacks at the table because he does this fun little dance and it's hard to resist. But then he gets super constipated. So it's like even knowing little solutions like adding some hemp seed fiber to the food is a good way to help get their bowels back on track.

2:10:48SpeakerYeah, that said, whole hemp seed in your dog's food would be even more fortuitous because the fiber would help, you know, any unfortunate cleanups that might have to happen. Just saying, that happens. So yeah, fiber in your dog's diet, but definitely the hemp seed. A whole hemp seed would be great. You're in Canada, you can get super fresh hemp seed too.

2:11:10SpeakerSomeday in California, someday.

2:11:13DrCan you guys show your dogs? Show us your puppies. You're all good dads to your dogs.

2:11:23SpeakerOh, you want to see Ola?

2:11:25DrYeah.

2:11:25Etienne FontanShe's pretty famous.

2:11:26DrSo that's Dax.

2:11:29Etienne FontanCome on, Todd, get your herd.

2:11:30SpeakerThis is Dabs. She's a spoiled little pup, that's for sure.

2:11:40SpeakerI'm pretty thrilled that they're quiet right now, so I'm not going to even go there. She gets yappy. She's a good alarm system. I'm here to protect her. She can just let me know when people are coming in.

2:11:54DrHow old is she?

2:11:56SpeakerShe's about 20 weeks old.

2:11:59DrOh, she's just a baby.

2:12:01SpeakerAnd she is like one of the easiest to look after pups that I've ever had so far. I've got pee pads around the house, three different spaces, and she does not make an accident on the floor. She wants to go outside all the time. She's a real absolute pleasure to have, actually. She's a good girl.

2:12:20DrSince we've been talking about dog nutrition, let's talk about cannabis therapeutics for dogs, because that's a big hot area right now. And even one of the medical doctors, the pain specialist that we work with, Her dog, she has been experimenting with cannabis for her dog for two conditions. One, her dog was attacked a few times and bitten, and so they've used a topical cannabis therapeutic to help heal wounds and help with even itching, inflammation, and irritation.

2:12:56DrAnd as a result of these wound attacks, the dog actually is suffering from PTSD. Which actually went through the process of getting the diagnosis and could be taking medication for this. And so they've decided to try cannabis for the dog. And again, they're using an oral CBD strain in this situation and it's helping with anxiety, helping calm the dog. And so now there's some... Sorry, what were you saying?

2:13:28SpeakerYou know, when they're sick, dogs chew on grass and herbs because they're looking to get cannabinoids in their system. That's another thing. That is friggin' interesting because I see dogs eating grass lots. Cats, too. Did you say that was interesting? Stop it. I would say that my dog has... She's in the waking state. You know, she definitely doesn't just seek out cannabis for... For digestive and health reasons.

2:14:02SpeakerI've seen her, like if there's an edible in the house, whether it's She's pro-rec? She's pro-rec. I'm very medical and she's pro-rec.

2:14:13BubblemanAdult use. Adult use. Ola's going to start this adult use campaign. She really is.

2:14:18SpeakerBasically, if you have an edible of any kind in your bag with anything in it from psychedelics to cannabis, and it's in double Ziploc, in a backpack, in a zipper, and you leave the house, this dog is going to figure out how to open the zipper, open the compartments, remove what that would be, and absolutely... Get into it. Huh? Do you take your dog on the plane?

2:14:50SpeakerI take her on the plane. Like if she walks your garden or into the greenhouse, she's going to nibble on all the low leaves. Like you're going to think like after we walked, you'd see all the little low leaves would be like little nibbles on it. She loves the leaves. She loves to eat them. She loves to eat the whole bud. She likes to eat edibles. She likes cannabis smoke.

2:15:09SpeakerShe eats my little Q-tips that I clean my bong out with. She'll suck on those as snacks. I mean, she doesn't chew, you know what I mean? Like, she's definitely a different type of dog than... Etienne asked Mark if he's got a little family pet. And Mark, you have to tell him about your little warrior doggy. Because this dog is a warrior. I survived hell. Like...

2:15:36BubblemanGo ahead, Mark. Who asked that? Someone on the chat? No, Etienne did. Oh, Etienne did. Yeah, I got a little dog. He's in the other room, probably sleeping on his pillow. He's been through some shit. He's been through some stuff. He's had... You know, kidnappings where it was the equivalent of being in the van with the guys with masks jump out and take you, like literally he was in a coyote's mouth being taken into the forest.

2:16:07BubblemanJeez. Yeah, hang in there. But he released and fell out because of his titanium hip that he got when my neighbor crushed him with her car and like shattered his entire hip and he had to get this big surgery because of that. And then he also got attacked by raccoons one time, like five of them, and they bit all over his body. He had 15 puncture marks in his throat, which totally changed the way he barked.

2:16:32BubblemanBut I'll tell you, man, he's a little survivor. He is half to be protected from himself because he kind of just wants to get out as far as he can go and that's why escaping, he got hit by the car, he got attacked by the coyote. So now we've got him contained in an acre and he's much happier, no more attacks. He's a tough little bastard. He's Rambo.

2:16:56BubblemanMy dog is Rambo.

2:16:58SpeakerHe is so cool. That dog just jumps up as soon as I'm there and won't leave me alone. The little dog that I met? Yeah. The one that won't go where the flags are? Yeah.

2:17:12BubblemanExactly, dude.

2:17:13SpeakerWe were walking around your house and you were laying these little construction flags on the ground. I was like, oh, what's that little flag for? He's like, oh, Rambo won't go, or I didn't know what his name was. Rambo, that was awesome.

2:17:30SpeakerHe wouldn't go near the flags.

2:17:31BubblemanWell, because we had to do that because otherwise he's going to end up dead. He's like such an adventurer. So for his own protection, he's got an acre now that he can hang out on, on the property. Oh, don't stop. Don't stop.

2:17:47SpeakerDon't take a hit, huh? You want a bong rip? Bong rip. Bong rip. She heard you. Sorry. I did see that. I did see that.

2:17:57BubblemanI'll have another one. Why not? You want a bong rip?

2:18:00SpeakerOh, yeah. Hold on a second.

2:18:03BubblemanRambo. Someone just texted me as well and said, today is the anniversary of the chocolate Oscars, i.e. Tony's dog shitting in the hotel a year ago. Oh, the Academy Awards.

2:18:17BubblemanYeah, the Academy Awards.

2:18:19SpeakerYeah, I was telling that story the other day where she, it was like at the W and there's like no grass whatsoever, not even around the trees. It's like they poured concrete or they had something like right up to the base of the tree. And she's just like looking around, looking around. I was like, I don't have to tell you, there's no grass here in LA. And she was just like, you know, multiple times, like we've had to go to the bathroom on the

2:18:46SpeakerThere was a red carpet there and she really didn't care whether it was red, concrete, but she likes carpet, she likes pads like that. She's used to the red carpet treatment, you know. The red carpet treatment. For her, she was like, thank you, finally, somebody put some grass out for me. The look on that guy's face though, man, the guy, he had like headsets on, three different phones on him.

2:19:13SpeakerHe was like directing traffic, all kinds of stuff going on. He was like, are you kidding me? He's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He was like, Jesus. And I'm like, I don't know. This whole thing is fucked.

2:19:31BubblemanOh my God. Stressing that guy out, dude. One day he'll come across you on YouTube and be like, that fucking guy and that fucking dog.

2:19:41SpeakerYep. All right, so we're going to do some just a direct cream. Dude, you poured that cream in. That looked ridiculous, by the way. Did you see how it foamed up like Frappuccino?

2:19:54BubblemanWell, I was trying to, but right as you started pouring it, Darren asked his question about the dog food. And then, so it took the camera to him. And so I would, I would click it on you, but then he kept talking and it would click back to him. And I was like, I was clicking it as fast as I could. So do it again. I want to see that shit get poured into the courts.

2:20:12BubblemanThat's a video actually, dude, honestly.

2:20:15SpeakerYep.

2:20:19BubblemanThat's like Uber head stash right there.

2:20:30SpeakerThat is serious.

2:20:35BubblemanSo there you go. That's something you'll see on Hashtag. Tony turning a nice color red.

2:20:43SpeakerBong ripped everybody else too.

2:20:45BubblemanThat's the way. Dude, that was wicked. Did you see that? That was the bong rip everybody else too. That's how you say it after, but it's still before. It's fucking... Bong Rips Saliva Drip.

2:20:59SpeakerOh, yeah, it was the cream. I was like, did you come by to get creamed? Everybody was like, yes, turp creams. I was like... So, this is definitely... Yeah, but it's not that good, Tony, if it didn't even make you drool. Well...

2:21:20SpeakerI saw it. I definitely drooled out the top of my head. You know? Sweat. Let's see what we can do here. What about some good old snot blowing? Good old snot blowing. I didn't see it drool and go down to one knee.

2:21:40BubblemanGo down to one knee.

2:21:42SpeakerI was telling that story actually of the legends to Miggy and Smokey. Remember Smokey Genetics?

2:21:50Etienne FontanYeah, I have to say the drool is still the standard.

2:21:55SpeakerWell, it's really like a cream, it's like a cream chaser, you know, it's like adding cream to your coffee like a nice froth. You know, you can still drink the coffee. Coffee's great.

2:22:08BubblemanWe need to get a Hubble Bubble, a Hubbly Bubbly in Barcelona for the legends. That's what I'm talking about.

2:22:16SpeakerYeah, so that was the conversation we had last night with Smokey and everybody. I was like, listen, and he had never gone to Amsterdam. And I was like, listen, that first year in Spain wasn't really like, I would say, the full-on, Full experience, you know? I was like, usually, you know, everyone brings like five or eight grams, and there's judges that like go through it, and then the winner gets circulated, the top three get circulated to everybody.

2:22:44SpeakerWe kind of had a free-for-all when you were sick, so it's kind of like you were gone, you were sick, and then we just put the hash in the middle. Let's fucking do this! Yeah, it was like old school, but the problem was there was more people than hash. Yeah, the problem was that we thought people would gleefully share, but instead it was vulture time. Vultures. Like, you ever seen, you go to a park or a Japanese fish pond and they have those great guppies and they're kind of floating around and they're huge fish and they got the whiskers and everything and you just take a handful of that, you know, the pebbles that you get there for their food?

2:23:23SpeakerAnd you just chuck it into the whole thing. You just chuck it right into the water. And the fish just go at it. They're like fish are out of water trying to eat these pellets. They're on top of other fish on top of fish. They're all out of water just like trying to eat, trying to get it. So it was like hungry, hungry hippo meets those kind of fish when that hatchet's at the table.

2:23:49BubblemanWell, that won't happen this year.

2:23:52SpeakerYeah, so that's what I was saying to Smokey, and I said, and the other thing was... The other thing was there's supposed to be a ceremonial smoke off of all the remaining hash in a rig that you're supposed to smoke until you can't literally smoke anymore and then we're going to air pressurize that smoke into your lungs a little further until you're taking a knee. Because I would say that the highest I've ever been in my whole life was at Legends.

2:24:23SpeakerOff that hubbly-bubbly. Well, to smoke an Afghani hubbly-bubbly correctly, you have to smoke too much. Yeah, exactly. Well, I can tell you that, because I told my story of when Milo, like, he must have been in line or something, but all I remember is Dave was on a knee. He had, like, matches and, like, was... You know, on this big bowl, and it wasn't like normal hits.

2:24:54SpeakerIt was like, I remember you had to have one of those air pumping things that they use for fireplaces.

2:25:03BubblemanWe had to blow it out too. You'd have to lift it and blow. The worst part of it was blowing and clearing the hubbly bubbly. If you were that person, not the person lighting it, but generally the one lifting it up and then blowing out all the dead smoke in the chamber, that is like being in a house fire. I got as high doing that as I did hitting and even lighting the hubbly bubbly.

2:25:29BubblemanBecause that was just cloud after cloud after cloud. Everyone right blowing it on you as well.

2:25:34SpeakerI was there on my knee. And I can tell you that after a whole bunch of people hitting on that hubbly bubbly, I couldn't even barely stand up. And I had to walk outside and take a few big breaths of air for a minute or two. Yeah. Then I came back in and got back to work with my matches.

2:26:00BubblemanYeah. Everyone spends a little bit of time on the front street at Legends.

2:26:04SpeakerI would say, yeah, but you were, you were the, you know, like, you know, when you're in a athletic competition or you're on like a football team or basketball team, the coaches yell at you to hustle up or do whatever. But I remember you were, you were basically yelling at us to keep, to go, you're like, listen, dude. You're not here to mess around. I need you to inhale five or six good times in a row.

2:26:32SpeakerDeepest hits you can do. And then take a deep breath and hold it. And then take the deep breath and hold it. And I went about five or six. I think I went six huge... Look, the sixth one was the ringer. That was the first time in my life I had an audio experience from smoking from cannabis because I heard...

2:26:58SpeakerAnd everything went into an audio tunnel of this. We all heard your head ringing too. Dude, exactly, bro.

2:27:08BubblemanOh my God. That was so fucking perfect.

2:27:12SpeakerYeah, no. I'll never forget that. Because I sat down and Milo came up to me and was like, are you okay?

2:27:19BubblemanHey, check this out. El Vikingo in the chat room just said, I'm going to Barcelona and I have a nice hubbly bubbly to bring. So if that is a nice, hubbly-bubbly, and it's clean, and it's in working order, that would definitely, that's one way to get to Legends.

2:27:37SpeakerAsk him to send you a photo of it so we can check it out. Not at this moment, but when he can.

2:27:45BubblemanThat'd be great, El Vikingo, if you heard that. Skunkman Sam requesting a photo, if you want to send that to bcbubbleman at icloud.ca.

2:27:55Etienne FontanAnd Bubble Man, you can count me in for two tickets for myself and one for my partner she's coming with, if possible.

2:28:01BubblemanNice, dude. Nice. I'm there. It's going to be good. It's going to be good. We've got some good surprises in store. I think it'll be a nice time. It's, you know, it's not, we don't plan this the way like Lorenzo has been planning the Masters Cup. Now that's going to be like a serious competition, big event. He's got all sorts of pipes and trophies and rings and medals.

2:28:23BubblemanYou know, he's really put a lot of time and energy into it. Tony's a judge as well as AJ Stour Diesel and myself. Frenchie Cannoli and Drew. Is it Drew? Drew.

2:28:37BubblemanCan't remember his last name. I think it's Drew. Five judges for the Masters Cup. Goes from the 6th till the 11th in Barcelona. And yeah, hopefully we'll see you guys there for some of these events. We're still trying to throw together a Blue River party. Already got a venue secured for that, but no idea if what Tony and I are going to actually put together.

2:28:58SpeakerI have a little idea. I do have a little idea. Sweet. I've got some special shirts made up, both black and blue, or black and pink. Remember I had only the female pink version? Right, yep, I do. So we're doing a really soft, like, a little longer, softer t-shirt than the last series, but I like... I'm going to show you design that you could wear. And then it's going to come, I'm trying to get these little kits.

2:29:29SpeakerAnd I think it's going to come with some turps too.

2:29:51BubblemanYou know, Robert Carroll's in chat right now. Remember last Blue River Party, he donated his rosin for all the turp dips that got done, like hundreds. Like literally, that guy literally kicked down like 10 grams of rosin. He's literally in chat right now saying, Marcus, Robert Carroll here, let's do that Blue River Party. He's down. He's a supporter. I'm telling you, it was... You know, the way I throw parties is to not really shamelessly promote anything as much as the experience itself.

2:30:19BubblemanSo I don't usually promote them prior to the parties. It's very rare for me even to be talking about them before they happen. And we just don't promote it in a way that like is for... You know, I just hate the shameless promotion of all these events that I go to and how we have to like sell our shirts and have our business cards and our pamphlets and our products and we sit at the booth for the whole time.

2:30:45BubblemanThe whole reason the way Legends came to be was like accessing all these great people to have an event where we remove as much of that as possible and unveil.

2:30:56SpeakerWhat's that? The big difference is, first of all, this is invite only. I mean, you have to be a friend of a friend of a friend. Yeah. Yeah. And well, and I wanted to make a shirt to giveaways. What my thing was like, we didn't have anything. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:31:37BubblemanYou were pouring 10 droppers into waters and like, just like, let's get this party started. It was definitely something to be a part of in the sense that it was very fly by the seat of our pants, but thank you to the guys at La Colada for supplying the space and just being overall amazing people. I think they also, did they not... They took legends too, didn't they?

2:32:01SpeakerYeah, they actually took the judges section of legends, not the people's choice, but like what we actually chose. Right. Because they had, I mean, it was like flawless fucking sift. It was perfect for the last little see-through eggs. I'll make sure I bring a little printed chart of the entries and the winners from last year. Nice.

2:32:26BubblemanYeah, well, I'll make sure I bring some paper and pens and some things that make it easy for us to document to a degree. Of course, Legends is a very strict no picture, no cameras, no cell phones, no texting, no fucking talking on your phone. It's really like if you want to donate a couple hours of your time to a really nice venue, to a really nice event, to a group of great people, really loving hash, And eat some good food and drink some nice drink.

2:32:55BubblemanAnd that's what it's really for more than any single promotion or trying to, you know, make it something it's not, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

2:33:07SpeakerWell, what it has done, though, is it's dragged the quality of homemade hashes in the West from back when it was just, you know, Okay or good to sometimes now quite fantastic.

2:33:27BubblemanI'll tell you. I agree. It's amazing what people have been doing out in Spain. They have that beautiful sun, very nice soil, and they have the ability to produce some really nice resin outside, whether field pot or greenhouse. It grows pretty nice down there. The resin comes to fruition, and I really love the look of the hash that you get. You know, we're losing a lot of this look, this very glandular, globular, amber to even reddish color.

2:34:01BubblemanMore people using freeze dryers, more people removing moisture instead of curing moisture, and so it creates a different end product, especially from a photographer's standpoint, which obviously Thank you for joining us today.

2:34:43BubblemanProbably good to reiterate that importance when discussing and using the term bubble hash. A bunch of quiet motherfuckers in here.

2:34:53SpeakerBongra? Yeah, I'm trying to get this, trying to get Wade. Wade?

2:35:00BubblemanOh yeah, Wade. Yeah, I talked to Alec from SC Labs last night, and he said he was down for coming in, but I think what's happened is he's not checked his phone this morning, so I don't know if he's going to make it in.

2:35:17BubblemanAnd I'm not...

2:35:21BubblemanI guess Natasha was saying that Stormy will try to come in next week as well.

2:35:26SpeakerStormy, my cuz?

2:35:29BubblemanNo, no, this is a different Stormy.

2:35:33DrYeah, after listening, I was listening last week, and then I heard, Darren, you talking about her being your cousin, and so we had met at...

2:35:46DrWhat was it? ICBC. And Alex with Marcus, remember? And yeah, so that's when I first met Stormy. And then we became just online friends. So I sent her a message and was like, oh, that's awesome. You and Darren are cousins. You should come on and whatever. Come chill with us. So yeah, so she was going to come today. But next week will work better. So she'll try to come on next week.

2:36:11DrAnd yeah.

2:36:13SpeakerSuch a cool chick. Such a cool chick. And she's my cuz. Like, you know, the thing that I look at is out of the whole world, there's a lot of fucked up people out there. To get a cousin, to get someone that's family like that to come into my life as cool as she is, you know, on every level instead of just some full-on asshole type of person because there's a lot of them out there.

2:36:37SpeakerI could have got a lot worse. Could have done a lot worse than that. And that was like the cherry on the sundae.

2:36:45DrAnd so you guys have been friends? You knew each other for how long?

2:36:51SpeakerA year and a half. I met her at one of the cups, Harvest Cup or something. I was doing dabs in the basement of this place for them. And I met her there. She was one of the suicide girls giving away dabs. And we were chit-chatting. And then I seen her in Toronto. And I've seen her at all these events. And we... Thank you for joining us.

2:37:33SpeakerWe didn't know we were cousins or anything, and then that whole thing come out with the article, and my sister sent me the message saying, yeah, our cousin put this up, and this is our cousin as well, but I've never met her, and I was like, what? I couldn't believe it when I seen it was a picture of Stormy, and my sister telling me that this is our cousin, I was just blown away.

2:37:53SpeakerIt was pretty cool, very, very cool, yeah.

2:37:57DrYeah, small world. Very cool. And so, yeah, she'll come on. And she has a condition called Euler's Dano Syndrome. Not sure if I'm saying that correctly, but it's, yeah, a genetic condition that... Hello, Alex. So for instance, she was supposed to come on today, but she's very vocal about it on her Twitter account, so you guys should check out her Twitter. I'm not sure what her handle is.

2:38:22DrI think if you just searched Stormy or checked out who we follow, I can post it later. She's a very outspoken person trying to understand her body with dealing with this condition that has a lot of painful effects and she uses cannabis to help manage a lot of her symptoms and so that's originally what we started connecting about and yeah it's just it'll be awesome to have her on and tell more about what she's up to and yeah.

2:38:55DrAbsolutely.

2:38:57SpeakerYou see her soon as I'm going down in a couple of weeks, and I'll be grabbing her up and going and hanging out for sure, getting baked.

2:39:08SpeakerHello, Stormy. I know she's watching right now.

2:39:14BubblemanI'm feeling pretty baked, but I could always use another little bong rip. It's almost 12 o'clock tonight.

2:39:21SpeakerYou're right, Marcus. The winner at Legends was... Melon Cookies, Dry Sip.

2:39:29BubblemanMelon Cookies.

2:39:31SpeakerLa Colada. Remember how good it was? Yeah, absolutely. But that was the judge's choice, first place. But if you remember, oh, you weren't there. That's right.

2:39:44BubblemanBut I remember because I sold most of the tickets. So I saw the La Colada entry when we went there originally. No, you're talking about the rosin from the UK, but I haven't gotten there yet. I first saw that at my booth. And that's the one that won the People's Choice Award, you're saying?

2:40:00SpeakerBingo, bingo.

2:40:02BubblemanIt was super tasty. Remember we were smoking it together with Tony in our hotel?

2:40:06SpeakerI couldn't decide if it had been fucked with or what, man. It was just such different.

2:40:13BubblemanBecause when you exhaled it, it seemed like it was almost like some weird... Dryer sheets. Yeah, dryer sheets. There's something strange, like not right. But then it was so good.

2:40:26SpeakerIt was the popular choice.

2:40:29BubblemanWas that 7-10 extracts?

2:40:31SpeakerThat was Team 10.

2:40:34BubblemanTeam 10 extracts.

2:40:37SpeakerYeah, those guys from... No, they've been doing pretty good too since then, but I remember I asked them the same thing because it tasted exactly like downy or bounced dryer sheets in my mouth on the XL. Not like all the way like that, but the linger and the taste was almost artificial. It definitely had artificial notes to it. I mean, it was a winner for the popular choice, but...

2:41:08SpeakerFor the judges' choice, it did not even place for first, second, third, or fourth. Yeah, most people don't know it's a, you know, legends are supposed to be a hash thing, so that's like it's got to be a sift or a full melt, you know, like flour rosin or a hash rosin is good, but that's also oil, you know. Yeah, but rosin is, although it wasn't made traditional, it's not using any sort of a chemical solvent or anything like that.

2:41:39SpeakerWell, how do you look at it then? You know, because isn't Legends a sift or a hash? I don't know. You can hand rub. Mm-hmm. Okay, you can dry sift, you can water sift. Water sift wasn't around 100 years ago, but we include it. And I think rosin would be included too, at least in my book, because it's a natural hash. It's new technology, but... We want to smoke it, so it's allowed.

2:42:14SpeakerThat's a good reason, Marcus. Because we decide...

2:42:21DrWell, if you want to have... Hey, I wanted to, before I forget, I just wanted to remind people who are in Vancouver, an area, next, or this coming week, Dr. Mark Ware will be doing a free lecture at SFU Burnaby on Thursday, and he was on the task force, and he also is a researcher who does, looking at how cannabis can help With pain. And yeah, so he's a good speaker.

2:42:54DrHe'll be doing a talk on Thursday. And so this is the same session that's been put on by Simon Fraser University. So Ethan Russo did the first talk. John Page did a talk. And then last week, there was Dr. Francesca Philby that did...

2:43:16DrA talk, go ahead. And yeah, her talk was a little controversial because, well, pretty controversial because a lot of her research was, you know, a bunch of prohibitionists. Seriously, like it was... She had all the right credentials and she was from, I think, the University of Texas. But, like, and don't get me wrong, like, I think this session was great. And, like, I'm teaching one of the courses to the graduate students.

2:43:46DrI'm not doing a public lecture, but I'm doing one of the courses through the course to the graduate students on, I'm going to talk about cannabis for gut health and skin care. So, anyway, like, just to say I'm pro this lecture series. It's great. But this particular lecture was, you know, for instance, her research is all funded by NIDA, so it's very prohibitionist, like the first slide, it's not these are the numbers of cannabis users, it's these are the number of marijuana abusers, right?

2:44:17DrAnd then she's showing that classic thing about Adolescents being the most highest group at risk because there's the highest numbers in treatment for cannabis. And then one of the first questions was like, isn't that just because they're forced to go, not because they actually have a problem? And she's like, well, yeah, I guess. But anyway, so then she's basically showing scans of brains and showing that in cannabis users, different areas either get bigger or smaller.

2:44:47DrAnd really, she's just showing some brain scans and then putting her opinion on what she thinks this means. And it's a proper controls. She's it's just. Oh, really? And so. Sure, and it's difficult to like eat. Because she's a very likable person. She's nice, she seems really kind, but it's just the lens she's looking at this research from and where her funding is coming from is making her just say things that are not true.

2:45:21DrAnd so anyway, the questions were fabulous. Everyone in the crowd really did a good job of just being calm, saying, you know, thank you for coming, but this isn't really appropriate. You know, what you said here doesn't really make sense. And It was actually quite interesting. David Hutchinson came up and asked a question. And he said, thank you for coming.

2:45:44DrBut do you, what do you think about your research being funded by someone who has a, yet also holds, you know, the US government holds patents on cannabis, like, what do you think about that? And then that made her very stumble, didn't really know how to answer that. And then another person came up and asked, like, Cannabis in the evening, I choose that to relax instead of alcohol, like it helps me sleep.

2:46:15DrAm I an addict? You know, and then again, she got stumbly about responding to that answer. So it was good. People were, were polite, were calm, but challenged her viewpoints. And I would say it was, it was, it was interesting. Like, I'm glad I was there. I'm glad I watched it. It'll be available online, so it's worth watching just to kind of see what is being said, propaganda type research that's going around.

2:46:45DrBut anyway, the next session will be this week and it'll be Dr. Mark Ware and it'll be really good. So yeah, there'll be a good crowd. It's free. You can sign up. I'll post the link on the Hush Church thing so you guys can sign up for seats. And then there's also some future sessions too that are all free. So it's worth attending if you can get out to SFU Burnaby.

2:47:06BubblemanWas she the first one that was sort of prohibition based? Because I had seen that Ethan was one of them.

2:47:12DrYeah, so Ethan's talk was awesome. It was all about terpenes and he did a really good job of showing like the potential for all of these compounds. So he really went deep into like... And potential for how like what limonene can be used for like how it could help with depression potentially and then he was talking about just everything about all the terpenes all the things we talk about on here about potential for terpenes but he was going into the the animal trials and just saying like this is where the research needs to go so that talk was great it generated a lot of discussion people were really excited and then John Page's talk was also really really good he was He was supportive of Ethan's talk and kind of giving him out some props and saying he agreed with some of his points.

2:48:00DrAnd again, like the talk, the session is called, has marijuana. And so they both kind of did a corrective, you know, the term should be cannabis. Like, you know, we should be using this terminology. And then, yeah, Mark, sorry, Jonathan Page's talk was more about the cannabis genetics. It was unlocking the secrets of the cannabis genome. And so he did more from the plant perspective. Very like good information like positive good interaction and the thing about these talks is after there's a really good spread of food like really nice like so and they have a bar where you can purchase beverages they have nice like organic coffee and stuff so it generates a nice environment for people to hang out and continue to generate discussion like the We stayed for, last session we had to leave early, but the two sessions before, like two hours just visiting, mingling, so, and met a lot of good people.

2:49:03DrIt was basically the benefit of going to a thousand dollar conference, but a free session. So I highly encourage you if you're in the advantage of these things, even just, you know, if you have a question, come check it out. It's worth it.

2:49:19BubblemanYeah, I wish I had made Ethan's. I was so close. And then for the next one, I was out of town in Jamaica. But when is this upcoming one happening?

2:49:36DrIt's this Thursday, so March 2nd, I believe that is.

2:49:41BubblemanMarch 2nd. Well, I think I'm here, so I'll definitely try to check that out.

2:49:46DrI have 3.30 on my calendar, but I think the talk actually starts at 4 at SFU Burnaby. So, yeah, it'll be good. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, I've been trying to promote cannabis education at different... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:50:19DrYou don't want to be left out. So anyway, they're like, they're interested. It's more trying to figure out how these programs could be implemented. And this would be more teaching researchers of the future cannabis research and what's happening already and how can they get involved and even getting researchers like a place to find more students to help them do research. Even had to work with different organizations to find funding to get a lot of this research done.

2:50:49DrSo, get happening in Vancouver.

2:50:56BubblemanWell, it's good. I love when things happen in Vancouver, being here very nearby, just 20 or so minutes from the city. It's nice when an event happens. And I kind of dig this next level of events. I haven't been to the one that you just... Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:51:36DrAfter that, we'll actually be right in Vancouver at the SFU location. So, but I think one of them is already sold out or like the, it's not sold out, but the spots that you can reserve are all gone. So there's only a wait. Oh, sorry. It's Anne, like talking again about and with the task force and the future of legalization. So that'll be a really popular. But again, they'll all be available online and people can access them even if they can't attend.

2:52:07DrYeah, they'll be live streamed and then available again after the recording. Usually it's a few weeks once they get it up.

2:52:16BubblemanNice. Well, on a completely different note, I saw that Roger Waters was touring again. Us Plus Them is the name of the tour. I don't know if you guys are fans, but I'll tell you that wall concert that he did. Yeah, you can't even really call it a concert because it's such a next level thing, but... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:52:54BubblemanOn some next level shit when it comes to music and multimedia and the marriage of the two to produce this tertiary synergistic energy that is just otherwise does not exist. Telling you, it's the real deal. I'm a, I am a fan. Go check out some Roger Waters. For those of you that didn't see the show that he did in Mexico recently, maybe even as far as a year ago or half a year ago, maybe it was in the fall, but he did that wall concert and he did quite a bit of Trump stuff on the back of the wall, so that's worth checking out.

2:53:31BubblemanI think it was during the Pigs song, maybe a couple other tracks, but definitely Google that, YouTube that, and watch that because it's pretty enjoyable. Guy's got... Guys and entertainer, what can I say? No Roger Waters fans in the room or what? None of them? Pink Floyd? Come on. Everyone's just like, I don't know. Slayer! Slayer. Actually, Roger Waters played with Slayer in the early, early days.

2:54:08SpeakerI like his music too, of course. Pink Floyd, all that stuff is for sure. Grew up with it. Yeah, I went to like a couple of these, I forget what they call them, but they have like this special double-sided sphere inside a hemisphere in a science building.

2:54:29BubblemanOh, right, like those, what are they called, the laser shows?

2:54:34SpeakerRight, where it's like the whole space thing, you sit back in the chair.

2:54:38BubblemanYeah, Pink Floyd laser.

2:54:40SpeakerPlanetarium. There we go. Planetarium, yep, a planetarium. They did a, their music was doing like a tour through, not that, like through that type of atmosphere. When I was a kid, I remember going to a couple times.

2:54:57BubblemanTony, what are these green terpenes, you know?

2:55:08SpeakerI don't know, terpenes aren't green though. Yeah, you sure about that? I don't know, Mark's sitting right there, he'll tell you that there's no such thing as color with terpenes. Oh yeah, I think all Mark or you could say is you haven't seen them yet. I told him that terpenes had color and he said no, it's impossible, so I'm staying to his side. Well, I've got Mark Scaldone sitting right here and he said azurine is blue and there's yellow ones and the two combine to make a green one, so you're about as far off base as you can be.

2:55:40SpeakerI've always said that terpenes had color, but Mark said they did not. My vote is color. I've seen terps with color. Plus yellow equals green, so maybe it's azulene with like a yellow, show me yellow terpene. Do you have a yellow terpene?

2:55:55BubblemanSo here's the thing. Time out. Aren't you a chemist that can test these things, Mark? Why are we guessing?

2:56:00SpeakerOh, because we're just sitting here. I don't have like a...

2:56:04BubblemanBut in the future, potentially, you can take some of those.

2:56:07SpeakerI'll tell you what. If we were not penalized by prohibition and anybody could have a guess... Uh, mass spectrometer gas at Kratograph in their, you know, living room and just say, Hey, you know what? We just isolated this stuff. Let's shoot it on and see what it is.

2:56:23BubblemanWhat about SC labs?

2:56:27SpeakerYeah, I'm just thinking that we're enjoying dabbing it too much to still have a remainder.

2:56:36BubblemanThat is the opposite of the scientist that you are that I thought you would respond. Don't you want to know what it is as a scientist?

2:56:43SpeakerYeah, I kind of do want to know what it is, but I'm going to ask India to reproduce it.

2:56:52SpeakerWe already reproduced this right here. Well, this was an argument we had a long time ago that I said this was all the same, the same 73 from the same run of hash and all I did was add different terpenes to it and it had different colors and I thought that either terpenes had colors or terpenes combined with THC and organic plant matter form of resin created some kind of color spectrum and you shut it down.

2:57:20SpeakerWell, I think I shut down was the fact that like if you distill like a single compound, a single monoterpene like medicine or limonene or something like that, yeah, normally those things that pure compounds We're going to talk a little bit about the color of our products. We're going to talk a little bit about the color of our products.

2:58:02SpeakerTo color a whole lot of terpene. So this could be, theoretically, again, I just said this to John as a reasonable explanation. Perhaps it is azulene. And perhaps he's trapped azulene, which we know is a blue colored terpene, right? It's blue. It's blue. You see it before? It would have to be a very...

2:58:25BubblemanBut then it would have to be pure azaleen for it to be blue is all I'm saying. Jim Frere extracted it some years ago as well. He used some different things to do it.

2:58:33SpeakerMark, when you combine blue with yellow, you get green.

2:58:36BubblemanYeah.

2:58:37SpeakerAt least in my box of crowns. There could be a mixture of other terpenes in there. Hey, you know what?

2:58:42BubblemanGet back to us when you've tested it. Talking about what it could be is about as useful as tits on a bowl. Test it out. Let us know what it is, and we'll continue the conversation. All right.

2:58:50SpeakerI just saw it for the first time about 48 hours ago. I saw it like everybody else. Hold it back up. Hold it back up. And I would be like, oh, what the fuck, man? Terpenes aren't green. What the fuck is that? Well, now I'm actually here to see the what the fuck it is moment so I can actually see it, smell it, taste it. And yeah, ultimately we have to test it, but...

2:59:15BubblemanThere it is.

2:59:16SpeakerThat makes sense. That makes sense. Let's see it again, though.

2:59:19BubblemanHow does it taste?

2:59:20SpeakerWe're going through here first. Let's see it again, and let's talk about it. How does it taste, Mark? Hold it up. Hold it up. How does it taste, guys? Is it a good turf? Oh, it's got a really, a very nice, mild, not strong or biting essence in and of itself. It's got a very... Unique flavor. I don't think I've ever tasted anything quite like it. It's very interesting.

2:59:46SpeakerAnd it's terpene. It's not hash. So what, did we dip the dabber? In some extract and then dip that into that. Is that what we did? No, we dipped the dabber. Someone else prepared the dab for me. We dipped it in the terpene first and then put it on the dab of oil. He had to fly out to California to catch up to that. He's finally catching up to what a terpene is.

3:00:10SpeakerI hope this isn't indicative...

3:00:15SpeakerI hope this isn't indicative of how we test in a lab. So we just dipped a clean dabber into the terpene first and then put some THCA on the dabber and then that's what I got. Yeah, it was delicious. It was wonderful. I don't know how to describe it. It's a new thing that I've never tasted before. And it didn't seem planty or burnt or any overpowering like some other terpenes.

3:00:49SpeakerIt was very good.

3:00:51BubblemanAnd have you hit a lot of the different sort of terpenes that are out on the market like Baker's, whatever his name is, Baker's Bubble or Blue River or Coleman from Colorado or any of these guys?

3:01:03SpeakerWell, the thing of it is, Mark, that there's pretty much...

3:01:05BubblemanI was asking Mark.

3:01:09SpeakerYeah, I have. Some of them, I don't find them very tasteful at all. I find them overpowering. Some of them are good. I can't generalize, Mark. I've had different experiences. No, no.

3:01:21BubblemanYou can call out the ones that were shitty and call out the ones that were good. I know. I don't want to do that. Of course. Why not? You don't want to be honest? No, no.

3:01:31SpeakerOh, come on now. Let me put it this way.

3:01:35BubblemanWe're not getting paid by anyone, so it's very fair to call out ones that weren't.

3:01:41SpeakerI don't have the breadth of experience to say that they're better or worse than anyone else. Either way, the green terpene you have. It was good.

3:01:55SpeakerOkay, so was it green from the beginning, from the time you saw it, or did it combine with another terpene? Nonsense question. Was it green from the time you saw it? Yeah, it's a green liquid in the bottom of the vial. What I'm saying is, was it extracted from a plant, all from a single source? No, it wasn't extracted from the plant. It was extracted from five-year-old

3:02:22SpeakerTrainwreck that I extracted five years ago. And so I froze it on the same day and it remained frozen until I decided to try to see if there was terpenes available in it yet. And I've collected now a second round of terpenes from the same stuff. And it's pretty much the same way. They're almost fluorescent antifreeze. And at some angles they look greener and some angles they look yellower.

3:02:49SpeakerBut they still hold the same extreme good hash smell. It smells like the best hash ever. And I think it's definitely perfume fodder is what it is because the top of it in a cap full of alcohol and then I spread some on the back of my hand and it definitely changed the scent when it went on the back of my hand. It doesn't remain tacky? It didn't remain tacky.

3:03:16SpeakerYeah, so it's definitely cannabinoid, refreet. A cannabinoid-free something trapped from the distillate of John's extract. Could it be terpenes? Could it be something else, another volatile essence or a volatile fraction? I mean, this could be the aha moment of discovery. When we run an NMR and we run a GC mass spec on it, we might see some terpenes that we know, or we might discover something completely new.

3:03:43SpeakerThat's what's really cool about it. So, Mark, I'm totally on board with you. I'm a scientist and I want to know what it is. John wants to know what it is. But the first step is, well, here it is.

3:03:55BubblemanThat's where we're at right now.

3:03:58SpeakerHere it is. Well, it's like all science. You look at it.

3:04:00BubblemanWhat I'm just saying is it won't take very long to get it to the next level is all I'm saying. It's not that hard for John, who probably has the ability to test it in his basement or something, who's had access to these machines, who's in California, to get it tested. I mean, remember when Tony brought out the terpenes, one of the first things he said? Let's test it.

3:04:22BubblemanWhat's in it? What's in it? What's in it? Well, he went and got it tested, and now we know what's in his terpenes. You can go on his website, and you can look at all the varieties, and SC Labs has like breakdowns on each one. I'm not being negative. I'm just saying I'd love to know what it is, what the breakdown is.

3:04:40SpeakerWell, we know that there's more than 140 different terpenes in cannabis. Yep, we do. And probably Tony's been… Getting a certain fraction or selection of fractions. And with this different method that I went about, I collected a fraction that hasn't previously been collected in enough of an amount to identify and look at it. That's the only difference that's going on here. You might need a proton anymore.

3:05:07BubblemanSo even more exciting to have it tested and to discover something that was otherwise undiscovered.

3:05:14SpeakerRight. Yeah, well, it's going to go down to the guys. And when we know that next Sunday, everybody else will know. We'll tell them. Yes.

3:05:24BubblemanWell, I wasn't saying you needed to know right this minute. I was just saying it needs to happen. I would never have expected a chemist to argue against testing something to know what it is, ever, in my entire life.

3:05:35SpeakerWe're going to name it Indra-ine, right? Because since there was already an action team. Indra-ine, that's good. We're going to call it Andrew Ene for now. It's Andrew Ene and we'll figure out what it is later. Well, I was thinking on calling one of them Ash Church Ene. Yeah, Ash Church Ene.

3:05:59SpeakerWhat you have to recognize here, Mark, is forget the testing for a second. These two guys have been smoking this terpene that was derived from a hash that's five years old with a very unique process that has produced a... Combination in a single source terpene to where one was yellow and one was blue, which created a green terpene. Wait a minute, Tony. That's a hypothesis. Don't jam that hypothesis in on what's going on.

3:06:27BubblemanIsn't it a hypothesis of saying that this is true?

3:06:33SpeakerI'm saying that two of the terpenes have a color of yellow. One of them is blue. That's all I'm saying. Of course. That's how you make green. I'm just repeating the information you said. Whatever came out of that extract had created two unique. Now, I think the yellowing could come from the age, and then the blue could be the fact that you did this in a... Thank you for joining us.

3:07:21SpeakerI think that's cool, and that's what Mark, I'm saying you should recognize, Marcus as Bubble Man should recognize that they're in day two, bro. They're day two.

3:07:31BubblemanHey, time out. Let me educate you guys as to something. Indra's been sending me pictures of the green terpenes for weeks, not for two days. So I've been seeing it for a little bit longer. I know how long it's existed. There's enough time to have had it be tested.

3:07:50SpeakerI got you. Well, I have an account. If you guys want to test it, we could send it in. And you only need like, you only need, if you want to test, if you really truly want to get everything tested, one mil would allow them to do residuals, 37 terpenes, and you might be right, it might not even be on their chart. They would give you potency, cannabinoids.

3:08:16SpeakerThey'd be able to do a lot with one mil. But you might have to use your NMR, I mean, like what you do, Mark, like to find out what it really is. The great thing is we could run an NMR and then use that material and get an HPLC after that. Yeah. NMR doesn't destroy it. So, but yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think it could be easily be a mixture of several compounds.

3:08:38SpeakerAnd so that's why you can't necessarily look at the color of the material and say, well, It all belongs to one compound. It could be several different compounds in there. But the other thing is that, you know, again, green As we know, is the color of the plant itself, and that's in this pigment called chlorophyll. Yeah, but this came from hash. This came from an extract. Which is non-bottle.

3:09:03SpeakerIt came from oil, not hash. Yeah, it came from oil, which has no chlorophyll. I've smoked that oil that you're talking about. The element of this discovery could be is that some way in this extract, there's a way of just pulling some kind of green essence from the plant that's not chlorophyll, That can be extremely exciting scientifically. What else is in the plant that's green that's not chlorophyll?

3:09:30SpeakerMark, I think we casually had this conversation on a Facebook thread. We were talking about what is in plants that is green that's not chlorophyll. Maybe this. I don't know. We'll see.

3:09:44BubblemanAnd that might involve getting testing to a little bit deeper than the 20 to 30.

3:09:51SpeakerIt all goes together. So we could run an NMR. We could run an HPLC. We could look to spike it with known terpenes to see if the peak grows so we can identify that that peak. Well, the point is this is something that hasn't really been seen up until now. All I'm saying is here is something new. It smells like the best hash I've ever smelled in my life.

3:10:13SpeakerI haven't smelled yet. Well, it doesn't smell like hash. To you. You think it smells like fish oil. No. No, I didn't say fish oil. I say extremely floral. All right.

3:10:25BubblemanSo it was actually three weeks ago that I got the picture of this oil. Three weeks ago, he sent me the green turps. So this has been an ongoing conversation. I'm just saying. Get it tested. I'll look forward to having it tested, and then it will be less of a guess, less of a hypothesis of something that's been created that's never been created before, and more of a, here's the fucking paperwork to back up exactly what I said.

3:10:52SpeakerLet me get my mask back out of my pocket here. Dude, I can't believe you don't roll with it, Mark. I got it through TSA. They wanted to know what all that instrument is. I said, no, I'm just going to see my friend to test his therapy.

3:11:06BubblemanI can't believe you didn't bring a 200 megahertz NMR. Yeah, I'm surprised Mark doesn't travel with one. I know kids that travel with NMR cases.

3:11:15SpeakerListen, a 250 megahertz NMR, it's like a big water heater. You can travel around with that, man. You can put it in a case and no problem. Well, Marcus, as you well know, there's nothing better than putting something in a rocket. Look at Mark's face. He's been on this stuff two days. I can just basically walk down to his lab and say, hey, can you run an NMR of this?

3:11:44BubblemanBoom, look at that.

3:11:44SpeakerSee ya.

3:11:47BubblemanChemistry baller in the house. Anyway, listen, I gotta go, guys. I'm not running Hash Church anyway. Todd is. Hopefully he's still here. I gotta go drive back to Whistler and back to pick up my kid. I actually drove him this morning and then raced back to be on Hash Church to my house. Yeah, so anyway, have a good one guys. Hope you have a great day and thanks everyone for watching.

3:12:11BubblemanWe will see you guys next time.

3:12:13SpeakerDrive safe brother. Peace out.