Cannabis and Terpenes in Pain Management

0:01BubblemanAll right, welcome everyone to episode one, two, three, 123 Hash Church episodes. Let's hope that my connection is solid today and that when I send out my invitations to everyone, they're all going to get them just perfect. So we'll send out these invitations here, and we'll send out these invitations here. And yes, that should be, see how long it takes for my friends to make it into the room.

0:33BubblemanToday, for those of you wondering, good old Whistler, British Columbia. My son has ski school today on Sundays, so it's my responsibility to drive up here, get him here, and welcome Etienne and Sam.

0:47Etienne FontanHello, Sam. Hi, Skunk Man. How are you doing today?

0:53SpeakerAnd okay? Yeah, I'm turning my microphone on so I can actually say something.

0:58BubblemanWow. And can you guys hear me? Perfect.

1:03SpeakerWe can hear you. Say something really important.

1:08Etienne FontanSomething really important. Wow, that sounds important. Yeah, that did sound important.

1:15BubblemanWelcome, Todd. What's up, man? Where are you? Well, I'm in Whistler at my good friend Devin's house, who I've run Hash Church, I don't know, 30 times from here or 20 times from here in the past.

1:29ToddWe switched locations, didn't we?

1:34ToddYeah, it happens quick.

1:36BubblemanHey, you got a nice haircut?

1:38ToddI did. All of them, actually. Every single one? Now I can't hear you again. Just one.

1:46BubblemanJust one.

1:47ToddYou got a nice haircut?

1:49BubblemanWelcome, Indra. Morning, everyone. Let me just see if I can try something here. Mute. And mute. Now, does that not sound better to everyone?

2:07Etienne FontanThat's fine. Sounds fantastic.

2:09BubblemanOkay, yeah, just because I muted Indra and Sam, those two have to keep their mics muted. I think I'm getting a lot of my feedback from them. So I've got my headphones on. I've got a better internet connection. Let's keep our mics muted when we're not talking.

2:25ToddThey have to keep their mics muted. I think I'm getting a lot of my feedback from them. So I've got my headphones on.

2:32BubblemanSo Indra, you have to turn off the YouTube chat. Just mute it or turn it off and that way, there you go. How's that? Any more echo? No. It was a little sketchy coming in but I think I can hear you good.

2:48SpeakerOkay. Sorry about that. It was on my other screen. I've got two 42-inch screens and I'm doing Some rendering and that window got hidden behind my rendering program. I didn't realize it was on. Apologies.

3:06BubblemanRendering will definitely slow shit up.

3:11BubblemanHow's everyone doing today?

3:15BubblemanFantastic. It's like everyone's frozen. No, doing fine. Oh, good. Am I frozen?

3:22SpeakerI was keeping my mic off like you said.

3:25Etienne FontanJohnny, you look about 98.6 degrees.

3:32SpeakerWell, I feel 99.9%. Amazing, actually.

3:38Etienne FontanWell played, sir. So how are things up at Whistler there, Marcus?

3:42BubblemanOh, dude, Whistler's like a beautiful playground. I just want to go run up the mountain and have an amazing day, but... First, we will do a three to four hour hash church and discuss all things cannabis. We're going to try desperately today to not get sucked down the rabbit hole that is Donald Trump. I wish Mark Scaldone was here so he could hear this, but I'll let him know when he comes into the room.

4:06BubblemanNobody wants to hear our political opinions. They love to hear our tips and tricks when it comes to making hash, running cannabis based businesses, traveling, meeting cannabis people, growing. All of these things are awesome, but I really want to avoid getting sucked into politics every week. So I hope today we can just avoid that which is orange.

4:28Etienne FontanWell, out of curiosity though, you know, it would be great though if politics wasn't involved in our whole cannabis world, which is why we talk about politics. And I read the comments and I understand that people have difficult political leanings, et cetera, and so do we. But at the same time, politics is intertwined with what we do. Politics is... The reality we face every day, it's if you don't get involved and get active, it's just one of those reasons.

4:53Etienne FontanBut I understand people don't want to hear us bashing on the current president, and I will respect that accordingly. But I'll bash on all presidents equally.

5:01SpeakerAs you well know, people are much more potent than psychedelics.

5:06BubblemanRight. And people would rather hear about psychedelics. I mean, even when I just said that, the chat room lit up. Most people are like, yeah.

5:15SpeakerHey, I never told you this before, Marcus, but I learned my secret technique of making hash from Trump. Oh, shit.

5:28Etienne FontanI heard he had the original 99%. Is that true?

5:33SpeakerNo, he's never smoked, but I just thought I'd bring him up because nobody else wanted to talk about him. And I think he's a bum, but whatever.

5:45SpeakerWell, that would be Mr. Bum.

5:47BubblemanI was hoping on having Shona Band come in to chat today. We'll hope for that. I haven't been able to touch base with her this morning, but she was going to come in and share her story, which is a disturbing story to say the least. Another cannabis warrior getting attacked by a prohibition.

6:09SpeakerWell, you know what? You know what I learned a year ago today? I learned how terpenes helped me with my pain control. Those are the day that you walked into the hospital, Mark, and put that purple punch underneath my nose. And that changed everything for me. It really made me realize how much the terpenes helped me with my pain control and taking a look at that. So it was a pretty amazing day for me because this is the day I had my surgery a year ago today.

6:33SpeakerAnd it was a day that I truly remember when you put those terpenes underneath my nose. It was like, wow, that changed everything for me. Good day, good memories. I can't believe it's been a year, John. I know it's been a year, amazing year, and it's just amazing of how much I've realized and over the last 11 years of how much cannabis played such a key part in my recovery and everything that I've done for the last little bit.

6:59SpeakerIt's been a really empowering last 24 hours for me and thinking about it, it's really this plant did everything for me. It's pretty amazing how I was able to get through my pain and be able to get through what I went through by using cannabis and amino acids. It was truly a lifesaver for me.

7:14Etienne FontanJohnny, you're a living inspiration to many, one just for your activism as you've done over the years, needless to say, but to watch you go from, watch your complete body and face change from before the surgery to where you are today, it's been wonderful to watch and to watch your smile and to see your face completely change and relax has been a wonderful thing to watch and I know it's been inspirational for many to see, so thank you.

7:42Etienne FontanThank you guys.

7:43SpeakerYou know what? Just awesome. Thank cannabis. Thank the community. The community, I said the community has really played a key role in helping me through my recovery over the last little bit from the society, from Green Cross, from the British Columbia Compassion Club Society, to cannabis culture, to all the friends, to all the activists, from like Frankl, from Strain Hunters, the roles he played in the beginning parts of educating and teaching me things.

8:06SpeakerJust everybody on this panel, everybody here has been such an inspiration To all the people in chat, to all my viewers on my YouTube channel, I'm here because of you guys and because of cannabis.

8:19BubblemanAwesome, Johnny B. I'm always inspired by your story as well. Just trying to get Indra to mute his mic. For some reason, I'm not able to mute his mic, and that's the one that's causing feedback and a little bit of background noise there. So Indra, if you can hear us, please keep your mic on.

8:38SpeakerIt's been on mute for the past three or four minutes, so somebody else banging around. You'll have to take it.

8:47BubblemanOh, there we go. Now it's on mute. Now I see the actual mute button on your thing and I can't no longer hear you talk. So I think it might have been on mute. Then I tried to hit it and unmuted it. So my bad. I'm a little groggy this morning, guys. I would like to bring something up, Indra, if you don't mind, what we discussed about a little earlier.

9:08BubblemanDo you mind if we bring that up, Indra?

9:15SpeakerI forgot what we discussed about earlier. That was hours ago.

9:20BubblemanYes.

9:21SpeakerWhat was it?

9:26SpeakerCan you not hear me?

9:28Etienne FontanWe can hear you. We can hear you. I don't think Mark is muted now. I think Mark may have frozen.

9:39SpeakerWell, this is interesting, guys. We had Dr. Ethan Russo come to Simon Fraser University on Thursday to have a discussion about the endocannabinoid system. And one of the points that was brought up is about CBD turning into THC in the gut. Thank you for joining us.

10:16SpeakerThe heat is not there and they don't have any evidence that that happens.

10:21Etienne FontanIt was a good conversation from Dr. E. That doesn't surprise me at all. We've always heard rumors that, you know, until it's been confirmed by science, but there's always been kind of a smoking circle rumor control that, you know, that was possibly the case. CBD turned to... CHC or some sort of other chemicals. So it doesn't surprise me that that's the case. And I'm glad Dr. Russo is out there debunking that information because that's why we need his mouth.

10:49SpeakerNow, I like that was a good conversation brought up. Through his talk and they're doing a whole cannabis education at Simon Fraser University for the next 10 weeks. They're having Dr. Mark Ware. They have a lot of speakers coming in and I can't wait to go to all of them. It was a really good education on the endocannabinoid system and talking about how THC binds and stuff like that.

11:10SpeakerSo it was a good conversation brought up and I know it was filmed. Maybe I can post that link in half when I find it. He does discuss about CBD not changing into THC so. To be fair, John, the article said that they used gastric acids to cause the change. They didn't actually say that it happened in the gut of a human being. They said that under experimental theoretical conditions in gastric acid provided with enzymes that it would do that.

11:43SpeakerBut that's not to say that it would happen in the gut of a human being at all.

11:48Etienne FontanNo, again, that's what my shirt says. What assessed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for the actual science to back that up. I still, I agree with you. I saw the study and saw that it wasn't actually in a human. That was just in with gastric acid. And again, based out of Japan too, right?

12:09SpeakerWell, it doesn't go through the breakdown and the uptake. I mean...

12:13Etienne FontanIt's an experiment, but I still think data is still missing to conclude that. I do believe that Dr. Russo is right correctly now, but we still have years and decades of actual studies to do with this plant and humans that have been ignored.

12:27SpeakerAgain, I'll say it again. I said it last week. The question is not why will it. Thank you for joining us.

12:51SpeakerIn 2007, it was published too. So again, thermodynamics shows that if you take CBD and you put it in an acidic environment, it does chemistry. You can't keep it from happening. Now, let's talk about the Russo result or the comment that he's making that they're not observing this clinically. In order for this to really be validated, the CBD actually has to be in like a capsule and like digested in the gut itself because if it's a tincture or if it's a spray or if it's something administered, It's going to be absorbed into the body and into the circulatory system, advanced going through the digestive of the gut.

13:34SpeakerI think the point of the scientific studies was to answer the question, can it convert? So I think the chemistry says that it can convert. So what Russo is reporting…

13:50SpeakerThank you for joining us.

14:08SpeakerSo again, remember that that study that was done in 2007 doesn't just show that CBD under acidic conditions gets converted to THC. Mushulam showed that over 20 years ago. You can do that in a flask. They were just doing it like John said with... Artificial gastric juice. But hold on, hold on, Todd. I know you want, I know you're dying to talk.

14:30Etienne FontanIt doesn't happen in practical application because it happens.

14:33SpeakerOkay, okay, but wait a second. Say that it doesn't happen, you have to, again, remember that you're looking for not just CBD, but you're looking for a plethora of different compounds clinically, right? And even, and bring up CBG. Yeah, so the point is that all these things are metabolized in the body to several different compounds, right? And so like the study that was published in 2007 showed that there were gastric juice experiment back then showed that there were four different compounds formed, right?

15:09SpeakerAnd it was under mild conditions. It wasn't heated or anything like that. And I think the issue that Russo has this, At this point in time is that there were surfactants that are used to basically solubilize the CBD because it's insoluble in water and in order to address this whole