Cannabis Conferences and Cultural Experiences

0:01BubblemanHey, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is Bubble Man here. You are on Bubble Man's World. And welcome to Hash Church episode, oh, I don't know, 137, if you can imagine. We were just talking about that in the group here this morning. In the chat, we were kind of laughing about how we are 137 Sundays into this experience. Let me, of course, send out the links because, well...

0:28BubblemanSo let's get these guys out.

0:47BubblemanAnd if those guys aren't just the most inspirational cannabis speakers, Ethan was perfect to go before Dr. Bob. I thought that the timing was impeccable. Ethan's very scientific. He's very proper. He's very articulate. Bob's a real wild psychedelic guy. So it was nice to see them both speak. And I didn't put the subject on there. Welcome, young man, Sam.

1:14Etienne FontanHowdy, howdy. Howdy, howdy.

1:17BubblemanHowdy, howdy, ho. How's everyone doing this fine Sunday afternoon? Oh, doesn't want to let me send my email. Interesting. Interesting.

1:27Etienne FontanSo far so good. Morning, Todd. Morning, guys. How's it going, Todd?

1:36BubblemanSam. I can't send an email. Oh well, I guess Indra's not coming in. That's the thing, when you make it so I have to send you the link a different way than everyone else, which is the, I think I'm going to have to send it to him a different way today. Let's try this out again. And Sub, I don't know, Sub's going to have to miss out as well because I don't have, that is so strange that suddenly my emails aren't sending.

2:02BubblemanIt's saying, it says account already exists.

2:07Etienne FontanWow, that's weird. That is weird.

2:09BubblemanSorry, Sub, if you're out there, I did try to get you a link. How's everyone else doing this fine Sunday morning?

2:22SpeakerJust waking up.

2:23BubblemanI hear that. I've been up for two hours just waking up.

2:29SpeakerThat would be about just as long enough for this, for sure.

2:32BubblemanRight? I don't like to just wake up and five minutes later do hash charts with like sleep on my face and the sheets creased into my face.

2:42Etienne FontanFuck that. I wake up 15 minutes before I get my beauty sleep. I need it.

2:47BubblemanBut you look great. I can't even tell that you were sleeping 15 minutes ago.

2:51Etienne FontanWell, I get up, I comb my hair. You know, it helps. Right.

2:55BubblemanYeah, it's true. If your hair was messy, it would look so much. Oh, wait a minute. You don't have any fucking hair.

3:03Etienne FontanI do. I just remove it regularly.

3:06BubblemanNo, you do. It's just under your chin.

3:10Etienne FontanI have this cold underneath the chin area that it just stays cold all the time. So I need this. Otherwise, I'd freeze to death.

3:19BubblemanI like it. It suits you. It's the Abe Lincoln. It's proper.

3:26SpeakerWould you wear that if everybody, everybody had one?

3:33Etienne FontanNo, I do it because it's unique because I stop it right here. Back in the day, I used to have these matching, you know, large circles on my face to match with it back when you met me. And I used to have to go places with them like that. Oh my God.

3:47SpeakerOh my God. I'm with fancy is what my shirt used to say.

3:51BubblemanThat's hilarious. One day we should all grow our beards like Etienne, just show up on Hash Church and be like, hey, what's up?

3:59Etienne FontanThe Amish edition. That'd be awesome. The Amish edition. You know it, Jedediah. Eh? Eh?

4:07BubblemanSo I was just mentioning before you guys all popped into chat, I was at the Cannabis Life Hemp Conference, or sorry, Cannabis Hemp Conference, Salome's conference, not Cannabis Life. Those are the people that tried to hijack her conference. We'll get into that another day. But yeah, her conference was this weekend. It's today. And yesterday, got to see Chris Bennett. It was kind of fun being on the university campus.

4:28BubblemanWalked out front of the bird's nest with the mothership and started hitting dabs in this beautiful learning environment that the university is. The campus, really beautiful campus at university. And the building that Salome has rented is fantastic. Impeccable to say the least, but it was really, really nice to see Dr. Ethan Russo speak yesterday. Fantastic talk that he did. He got a little bit into terpenes. He got a little bit into the different breakdowns of cannabinoids, including THCV and CBDV, breaking it down with some of the things that different science experiments and works have found to be true.

5:12BubblemanAnd it was great. I taped it, recorded it, going to put it on Bubble Man's World. He was followed by Dr. Bob Melamed, who I can't believe had only 30 minutes to talk. But wow, can this guy pack in a serious amount of intellectual information in a very short period of time. It was neat to look at the crowd. He has to literally start his talks by saying, listen, My shit is so out there.

5:39BubblemanWould you mind just listening for a little bit before you? Because right away, there's going to be a percentage of people that are like, no, no. And so he has to ask the crowd right from the start, please just bite your tongue, bite your lip. We're going to get a little psychedelic. We're going to get a little out there. But what a great talk by both of those gentlemen.

5:58BubblemanWelcome, Mr. Mark Scaldone to the room.

6:01Dr Mark ScialdoneMorning, everybody. How are you guys doing today?

6:04Etienne FontanDoing pretty good. So Marcus, since you brought up the conversation, did you learn anything in particular or was it more of what you already knew?

6:15BubblemanNo, I learned some more things. Absolutely. No, there was definitely like the information that he released. I mean, I had no real knowledge in regards to sort of the medicinal components of THCV or CBDV. So he quoted a bunch of different sort of cases in which they found certain Certain aspects to be true under certain conditions. I've posted a little bit of it about it on my Facebook page, but I'm going to save the majority of it for the video that will be uploaded today after hashtags.

6:47BubblemanIt's just a short 35 minute video and it's mostly of the screen. You can see Ethan in the bottom corner, but his talk is very much dependent on being able to see the slideshow. So I made sure that I recorded that as well. Greetings from Germany, trichome lover. We are all also trichome lovers here at Hash Church, as you probably have already figured out.

7:11Etienne FontanNo, we're more like trichome sluts.

7:14BubblemanTrichome sluts, I like it. I'll take that. Well, shall we blow some smoke signals? Should we have, should we do, this is the one day of the week, by the way, that I don't do my wake and bake video. So this is kind of right now. This is kind of like a wake and bake video within Hash Church. So for me, I haven't puffed yet.

7:33Etienne FontanYou mean you're not going to wake up at 7 a.m. and do your morning of Hash Church wake and bake?

7:38BubblemanYou know what? Sometimes, ATN, I'm so pathetic that I do. I literally puff for like hours and then I'm like, okay, let's do the wake and bake. And it's like, I'm so baked already. But today, I can be honest, I haven't had a single puff. Not a single puff.

7:56Etienne FontanI was about to say, I think it would feel bad for you if that's you get so high every morning that you forget to actually turn on the video and like, let's wake and bake, you know? Rough life, bud. Rough life. Rough life.

8:09BubblemanAll right. Well, we got a bunch of people in the chat room. We got almost 500 people in the room. Nine minutes after nine. That's not too shabby. Thank you all for waking up. Maybe you're in Europe. Maybe you're on the East Coast. Maybe it's noon. Maybe it's six o'clock at night. But still, for those of you on the West Coast, We appreciate it because holy shit, we're not even sure how we're awake right now.

8:31BubblemanMark's lucky over there on the East Coast.

8:34SpeakerHow many Hawaiian members do we have?

8:37BubblemanOh, I don't know. We got any people from the great islands of Hawaii?

8:43Etienne FontanYeah, if you're watching us from Hawaii, what island are you watching us from? That'll limit things quickly.

8:51SpeakerThe ones surrounded by water. That's the one. That's the one. Wait, there's one.

8:58Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's still in the middle of the night in Hawaii, isn't it?

9:01SpeakerThat's why I'm mentioning it. No. No, it's 6 a.m. Yeah. It's early in the morning. Middle of the night. They're like in Asia or something. They will have to have serious faith. That moment where you left your grinder in the other part of the house and you're like, hmm.

9:23Etienne FontanUse your fingers.

9:24SpeakerOh, no.

9:25Etienne FontanFirst world pot problem.

9:26SpeakerI'm going to have to get up and go get my damn grinder.

9:31Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're dying to fetch.

9:32SpeakerI was trying, trust me.

9:34Etienne FontanThat was the first thing when it came over. I was like, hey. Well, he taught him that. He just didn't tell him to unplug it. He has to unplug it first, you know.

9:44Dr Mark ScialdoneRight? Grinders that you have to unplug? Oh, my gosh.

9:46SpeakerYeah, we grind up so much weed, we use coffee grinders.

9:49Etienne FontanYeah, we use coffee grinders. It's much easier. I mean, back in the day, I used to use it. But if you put it in and just, you know, you tap it just a couple of times, you can get a nice fluffiness as opposed to going and grinding it up like a coffee. Yeah, just never overgrind your coffee.

10:04BubblemanI will say this for the wet bubble people in the late 90s, early 2000s when everyone had wet bubble hash. Those little grinders were a godsend. I would literally take the wet bubble hash. I would freeze it in the freezer, throw it into that little grinder and grind it into fucking powder. Like literally like... Thank you for watching.

10:43BubblemanBy all means, press it full of water and let it sit on your table there. And it might be photogenic. It might be real look nice, shiny with the water on the outside. But I'm telling you, the smoking experience, it almost burns like anything wet, slow. And it doesn't really like it's not like we want that flash burn where it's so dry, hurting. You definitely want something in between where the material actually is allowed to vaporize and evaporate while you're heating it up with whatever your heat source is.

11:15BubblemanYes, that is good info, OG Brick. For those of you that think you've ruined your hash, it's never ruined. Well, I shouldn't say that. It is ruined. I've hucked some hash right off the deck, but you can save it. There are ways of saving it. Just make sure you don't press wet resin.

11:30Etienne FontanThat's got to be like... Or close it in an enclosed Tupperware either. Otherwise, you get a white little fuzzy ball.

11:37SpeakerAnd the earlier you freeze wet hash, the better to do this.

11:42Etienne FontanYep, yep, 100%. And that's how I originally made my mix. I would get different hashes that would either come in blocks or dusty or in balls like that. And I would literally put them all, I would put them individually and then grind them up. And then I'd put them all together and then grind them up and then press it in my hand. And that was my original mix that I started with.

12:00Etienne FontanAnd then of course, I do it now with my BHO and everything that I blended all together.

12:06BubblemanI just wanted to let Indra know who's watching. I did send you the link via your messenger service. I just can't send it via email right now for whatever reason. So I guess I usually only send it out to Cuban, to Subcool, and to Indra. Cuban hasn't come in in a long, long time. Either has Aaron from DNA. So really kind of Indra's the last person I send it to via...

12:36BubblemanHe's saying he's not seeing it. Now I've sent it to him three times via messenger. Ah, if anyone can figure out a way to send Indra the link, that would be great. But... I just, I don't have the time. Watching Dr. Bob speak yesterday, wonderful, inspirational speaker. But at one point in time, he had this technical difficulty and he had this amazing, his whole conversation is about flow.

13:01BubblemanLike the entire thing is about flow. And so he was flowing so beautifully. And then all of a sudden he kind of hit his computer and the screen disappeared from the big screen. And then all of a sudden the flow was like, ah, And there's a few minutes of the video where it's just like, oh, I'm definitely going to edit this out. It's just a strange thing when you have this natural flow of energy and it gets stopped or redirected awkwardly.

13:25Dr Mark ScialdoneThe Illuminati, man. Blame it on the Illuminati.

13:28BubblemanYes, we were absolutely blaming it on the Illuminati. I think Graham Hancock spoke before both of them and he was talking about all sorts of wild stuff. Yes, OG Brick. He comes into the chat, but he does not come in on the link that I send him. You see, I send him the link that gets you right onto the panel. And so he has not been using that for the last like three to four months.

13:53BubblemanSo I'm going to stop sending it. That's not a threat. 570 people moving in to Hash Church. Oh yeah, Tony's on his way to the lab and then he's going to come in. We're going to have a little bit of a conversation. About some of the things that he's doing, I'm actually excited to talk about a few of the things that he's going to be bringing up today.

14:18BubblemanIn particular, his liquid, his new scientific discovery of, not his, but of the team of scientists that he's working with, and he's able to bring it forward to us. But I'll let him talk about that when he comes on. It should be good. Should be good. Come on, Johnny B, you're late for church. Well, Johnny B's at an event right now. He is in Calgary, I believe, at the Lyft Conference.

14:46BubblemanSo many conferences happening in Canada right now. It's kind of over the top. You get two or three of them happening in one week. It's like, man. If you're one company, you could literally spend $30,000 to $40,000 trying to hit all three of those at one time. Maybe more with planes and hotels and whatnot.

15:03Etienne FontanOh, and then dividing up the product and representation of that product and then giving them lunch breaks and all that?

15:11BubblemanWell, just the booth. When you go and buy a BPG booth or whatever, it's like five Gs.

15:18Etienne FontanYeah, I mean, it's the realities that come with it. It's not just there. You got to staff it. Then you got to rotate them in for lunch and breaks and stuff like that. It's not an easy thing to do. It sounds easy until you're actually in the thick of it. And then it's two o'clock and you haven't eaten. And then your people are like, where's lunch? And everybody's going.

15:35Etienne FontanThat's why a couple of times I've had to relieve. I remember I've relieved Tony, I think, at Chalice. And he was so busy dabbing people out that he's like, I haven't had a chance to escape or get food. I was like, hold on, I'll go get some food. And so I would go and get him food and some drinks just so he could, you know. And that's just the reality of how it is when you're a one man show doing it yourself.

15:57BubblemanYou're my, people like you are my godsend because for whatever reason, I've kind of just been a one man show for most of the time, most of my 18 years of fresh headies. I always just, you know, what I felt was this, that people were coming to the booth to talk to me. They wanted to ask me questions. They wanted to hear from me. So why would I get a booth and then just have someone else be there and not be there?

16:19BubblemanThat's why literally it took meeting Tony before I felt like I could actually work with someone else. That if they were at the booth and I wasn't, I felt confident that what they were telling people was the correct information. So that took like 17 years.

16:36Etienne FontanThat was a hard thing for me when I was doing the booth, when I was working at Collusion. I never wanted to step away because I could roll off this hemp knowledge just bam, bam, bam, bam. And one time, literally, this is really bizarre. All of a sudden, one day I was at Jacob Javits Center in New York working the show and we were selling, you know, hemp jeans and twines and stuff.

16:55Etienne FontanThis is 96 or something like that. And everybody went to lunch. Then all of a sudden I had two Hasidic Jews come up to me. One opened a book that had literally been, you could tell it had been trimmed and packaged, you know, safely over the years in somebody's pocket. loving doting care and uh he stood there opened the book and started reading i i could assume just in hebrew and the other gentleman started translating it to me and just i wish it was one of those times way before youtube where i wish i could have actually recorded what this guy said but he just just laid at my feet just five minutes of the most intense Jewish knowledge regarding cannabis and how sacred it is.

17:41Etienne FontanHe said, you know, you know, flax isn't kosher. Cannabis is kosher. And he read all these different passages and then just as quick closed his book. And the gentleman said, thank you. Good day. Shook my hand and walked away. It was one of the most craziest moments I've ever had in New York City. And it was very enlightening and very beautiful. At the same time, it happened so fast.

18:03Etienne FontanIt was so intense. I wish I could have recorded it. And then they walked away and never heard anything regarding it again. But one of those little moments where I was standing there, everybody else had gone, and here I am just absorbing. And all I had wished is somebody else was there to hear the intensity as well as the knowledge, because there's no way. He kept reading and referencing.

18:25Etienne FontanThere was tabs in this holy book that he kept just going through and referencing. It was just dumbfoundingly beautiful.

18:31BubblemanWas it the Torah?

18:32Etienne FontanIt had to be. It was a very thick book, and it was all... Thank you so much for joining us.

19:05BubblemanYeah, the Zohar is a foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as the Kabbalah. And so it's, you know, I have a very limited experience with it myself. But when my father died, I started kind of like he died suddenly in a motorcycle accident with his wife. And it kind of affected me in a way where I would get these anxiety attacks and I would have these sort of like intense just feelings of anxiousness just whenever it would happen.

19:34BubblemanYou know, it was pretty heavy to lose my dad the way I lost him. And it was a friend of mine who bought me a book. I was reading voraciously at the time, like a book a week or whatever. And he bought me this book. I believe it was by Rav Berg. And it was called The Power of Kabbalah. And it was very much written like each page was a chapter, but of just this profound, deep sort of Jewish mystic knowledge that was very comforting to me during this time.

20:03BubblemanI feel like it absolutely diffused and eliminated those anxiety attacks like 100%. So there's definitely something to be said for For good solid information, good solid information that hasn't been too contaminated or diluted or adulterated.

20:24Etienne FontanBut we did learn that and it was fascinating because then I started to research and talk to other people because we had a kind of a hemp section back there at the Jacob Javits Center and found out that in fact in the community flax is not considered kosher where hemp is and which is fascinating because they're both almost processed the exact same way. But however, it's the use of the flower itself.

20:45Etienne FontanOf course, you can't grow flax like you can grow cannabis. You can grow cannabis 300 to 400 seed per square meter, whereas flax, it will self, you know, choke each other out and literally compete as opposed to it's a self-competing canopy in cannabis where it touches its each other touches. It wants to follow and chase. And that's why you get a very even canopy when growing large scale.

21:09BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, when we started growing hemp in the prairies for the first time, there was nothing like it. I mean, corn was the closest thing, sunflowers, you know, but this stuff was like 10 to 12 feet tall, some of it. And it was just, it made flax look like, like nothing, like the little purple flax flowers that were like a foot tall or whatever from a distance, especially when it's like 400 acres or whatever.

21:36BubblemanIt just looked like a lake or something and then you see the hemp next to it, you know, on the property over and that stuff is, you know, 12 plus feet tall. The most unique color of green that you really didn't realize until you saw a giant acreage of it in the prairies and then you see all the other greens and you're like, damn, that is a beautiful green.

21:59BubblemanJust don't really notice it until you slap 20 acres or

22:04Etienne FontanWell, and because we're dealing with hemp and hemp paper, I reached out to the KNAF people, and they would laugh at us saying, oh, why are you dealing with hemp? But the same thing with KNAF. KNAF doesn't do the self-competing canopy. It will strangle out and kill out any other type of thing. And of course, that was the only alternative back then to paper in the United States, whereas now hemp will be competing.

22:26Etienne FontanBut again, we still need the mills to process because we've lost a lot of the paper mills or destroyed those because one, they were usually so toxic communities and polluting of their waterways that they were shut down just due to toxicity issues, you know.

22:41SpeakerWell, one of the things about the pot plant is it's beautiful in every way, and that's why it attracts us to it. It's beautiful to look at. It's beautiful to touch. It's beautiful to smell. Beautiful to smoke, process, make. All the things that it does are beautiful, so all men are attracted to it. It's a universal attraction, and nobody is going to stop it. I mean, there's a lot of politicians out there who would like to stop it.

23:07SpeakerThere's a bunch more who would like to get on the payday bandwagon for it. But really, in the end, the pot will win out. It's not us. It's the pot. The pot's going to win out. There's no question about that.

23:19Etienne FontanWell, not only is it beautiful, you know, but just remember, it's beautiful to touch, smell, and feel. But when you touch it, don't put your finger in your eye.

23:30BubblemanOh, man, I'll tell you, I spent the last two days with resin eye. The last two days, I was literally like, this is insane. I just couldn't, it got in so deep. It started on the right eye and I got some under my eye. I don't know, like in my eye and under, it was like down here. I'd never had that before.

23:50Etienne FontanSomebody needs to, there you go, Kevin. Somebody needs to design an eye drop for dealing with that because, man, that is absolutely painful and it just won't stop. It's like a...

23:59Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's just a terpene sensitivity, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. That's just some sensitivity to some terpenes, probably way more than it should be or something, just those things.

24:09Etienne FontanOr combinations.

24:10SpeakerYeah. Well, they make a great eye drop in India. It's black. It comes in a small bottle, and you drop a drop of it in your eye, and it feels like someone hammered a nail into your head for two minutes. But then afterwards, right away, your vision is as clear as it's ever been in your life. You're talking about Kajal? Yes.

24:32SpeakerI've never used it, but I'm sure you would look great with it.

24:37Etienne FontanWell, I've seen the stuff out of Japan, which is they're into the mint eye thing, where you actually, the eye drops that have literal mint in them, so your eyes, like, they use it to stay awake.

24:48SpeakerI have some. It's amazing. You drop it in your eye and you fall back on the bed for five minutes, go, ah, ah, and then your eyes are good after.

24:59Etienne FontanIt's amazing how white your eyes are, too.

25:02BubblemanRight?

25:02Etienne FontanYou just bleach them out.

25:07BubblemanIt's just bleach and glass. That's all it is. Oh, well, shit. Bleach and glass. I'll put some in each eye.

25:15SpeakerYeah, I put it in one eye first because I always like to do one eye at a time. And then you have to talk yourself into putting that second drop in.

25:25Etienne FontanYeah. Yeah. Once you hit the one eye, you're like, okay, you got to suck it up to hit the next eye. Yeah.

25:30BubblemanAnd I don't know about you guys, John and Sam, you spent a lot more time in India than I did, but there was kind of this underlining fear of getting, like, did you not meet people that were like, not just sick, but potentially dying? Like I met this Swedish couple. They looked like they had some fucking hep C or something. They were turning yellow. They were like, they couldn't get away.

25:51BubblemanI was like, you need to get on a plane and leave this country because you may just die

25:55SpeakerI can honestly say when I was in India, I smoked chillums with lepers. I smoked chillums with people who had elephantiasis. Yeah, well, that's a good thing about a chillum is you don't actually put direct mouth contact. So with a clean, soft, I used my own Soffie. And yeah, so.

26:20BubblemanWhich goes to show you the importance of not touching your lips to the Soffie because when I did see it happen, this soldier guy came into our little Thank you so much for watching.

26:53BubblemanOn the chillum? Well, then the Baba got so mad at him, screamed at him, and made him go put his shoes on and pick up his machine gun and walk away with his head down. It was quite a fucking experience, I have to say.

27:08SpeakerDude, when I was in India, I went to a temple on the Ganges, and the river was wide open. A friend of mine and I, another guy named John, and we're looking at it, and we thought, this is where we take our sacred bath in the river by the temple. So we stripped down to our shorts and jumped in and swam out to the middle of this river.

27:30SpeakerAnd we're there, and something keeps bumping my feet and knees. And John was saying the same thing. And so we decide, since we don't know what the hell's going on, to swim back in. And while we're swimming back in, a few more of these things float by to bump in front of us. And lo and behold, it was bodies. And there was giant turtles munching on them.

27:55SpeakerMan, we got out of that freaking water so fast. I mean, you could literally see a vapor trail behind John's butt when he hopped up out of the water and we saw that turtle munching on that corpse.

28:05BubblemanThat's nasty. Was that in like Varanasi or somewhere down there?

28:10SpeakerNo, it wasn't too far from Hardwire. And we were just looking at all the temples there. You know, they burn the bodies on the banks of the river.

28:18BubblemanOnly in Varanasi, not in Haridwar. The water is extremely clean in Haridwar, like crystal clean.

28:24SpeakerWell, there's people who, look, that's what you're saying is true for the most part, but there's poor people aplenty in India who burn a dead body and shove it in the river. And that's what we were experiencing. I mean, we weren't going to get in the river in Varanasi. Jesus Christ, it's a fucking nightmare there. You got all these bodies in it. I went swimming in the river.

28:48SpeakerOf course you did. Of course you did, Sam. I went swimming. I swam out, swam back pretty far. I've got pictures of it. The funniest part was two days later, I had an infected ear from inside my ear from the contaminated water. I did see, I think, a few fingers float by, but no major bodies.

29:14Etienne FontanI was told that, oh, I have actually read about the Ganges and, you know, there's amount of bodies in there, but somehow it's still self pHs and those bodies don't contaminate the water. I would not count, don't count on that being true.

29:30SpeakerDon't put your ears under the water. Yeah, for real.

29:34BubblemanIt depends on where you are too. Like I spent like almost three weeks in Haridwar right on that water during a time where millions of people had come to that area for the Maha Kumbh Mela and we never saw a body in the river. We never saw a component, a hand, a foot, nothing, which is an impossibility in Varanasi.

29:55SpeakerYou're pretty lucky, man. But let me tell you this. Farther up the river and further down the river, there's a lot of other things going on. There's a dam on the Ganges. And that dam, that dam is a fucking nightmare. Sometimes there's like a few hundred bodies at a time floating in there up against the dam wall. And they clean them out all the time and throw them.

30:17SpeakerYou know what they do? They throw them over the dam so it goes down the river and keeps on going.

30:25SpeakerI am telling you, this is the final trip. Yeah, your last boat ride. You are the boat. You are one with the boat. You are the ride.

30:41BubblemanYes, for those of you that have never traveled to India, I would say get it done. It's definitely a bucket list. It's definitely something to experience on this planet, that which is India. I think personally, because their belief systems are so open, seemingly impossible shit happens in that country. Like you could call it whatever you want. Most people that I know that have traveled and spent any amount of time there have definitely had Weird to say the least experiences and some have it like I had my own experience that was definitely impossible.

31:15BubblemanCompletely impossible.

31:17SpeakerYou have to remember that there's 86 different languages in India and 130 different dialects and if you ask the Indians themselves what do you think what did the British actually do for you here what did they leave behind that was good They'll all to a person tell you that the best thing that the British did while they were there was they brought English. And people on one side of the river, because the British forced them to learn English, who spoke Gujarat, could talk to people on the other side of the river who spoke Malayalam.

31:47SpeakerThey could finally say good morning. Say again, Tim? They built railroads also. Well, they did that, but the locals will say that the one thing that the British did was Thank you. Thank you.

32:29SpeakerAnd India also has 400 varieties of mangoes. Yeah, and 96 of them are edible by man, but just 96. The rest of them they use for animal feed, fertilizer, all kinds of other nonsense. There's a lot of, there's a lot, like for instance, guavas. Also, there's a ton of different kinds of guavas in India. I mean, you can go on a Fruitarian's Delight If you're in India, just make sure they don't wash the fruit that they're getting ready to give you in the water that they have.

33:03SpeakerTake your own water and disinfect it along and reduce the chances. When we lived in India, we lived in a hut that I built on the beach for a few months. And every morning, the fruit ladies would come by with baskets on their heads filled up with different kinds of fruit for us. Bananas, mangoes, papayas, depending on the season. But yeah, I still remember this as one of the most enjoyable periods of my life, you know, living in the hut right on the beach.

33:36BubblemanThey weren't flying strawberries in from Chile in the off season?

33:39SpeakerNo, there was no Chilean strawberries. It was... It was pretty, pretty basic. Awesome. But that's the beauty of India. Every single day you can have fresh fruit, fresh vegetables every single day. You don't have to have anything in a box or in a can or from a bottle. Well, we used to boil water with a little tiny gas pump stove and, uh, We used to boil rice and we also boiled cracked wheat a few times for cereal and stuff like that.

34:14SpeakerWe lived very vegetarian and very basic and we were incredibly healthy at the time. It comes to you when you change your diet and just have simple things for your body to deal with. In a peaceful situation, your body will always try to go to homeostasis. It tries to attain that every chance it can, in between every can of Coke.

34:39BubblemanHomeostasis or far from equilibrium.

34:43SpeakerThat's because of the cans of Coke in between. Well, the good thing about Coke in India was it was safe to drink. Well, I mean relatively, compared to an Indian bottled drink that may or may not have organic living contaminants in it. Yeah, except for the Coca-Cola plant and the Pepsi plant were both right there in India. And it was all bottled. That's not true. It's true.

35:08SpeakerThey were right outside Bangalore. I've been to it, Sam. I've been right in there. For a long period there, Coca-Cola was kicked out of India because they refused to reveal their trade secret formula. And you can remember very clearly because what became big during that time was Campa-Cola. We're the only one. Well, no, RC Cola was there, but listen, they've been... Hey, are we arguing about cola on Hash Church right now?

35:39BubblemanThat's one of the most important spiritual...

35:42SpeakerI've got a question for both of you since you've actually been to India, and it's this. It's like, I know we call every... All these plants, indica, but when you go to India, obviously that's all indica. It's actually in India. What is the diversity that you see from the southern tip, you know, south of Goa to the northern areas? How much cannabis diversity is in India and it is all indica, correct?

36:07SpeakerWell, no, absolutely not. No, no, John, I mean, no, they never had sativa. Sativa is a Latin word used in Europe to describe hemp, so no. They have narrow-leaf drug varieties, but they don't have sativa. They're narrow-leaf drug varieties. They're indicas, and they are what people commonly think of as sativas. Until you get to the far, far north, up in the Himalayas, there is wide-leaf drug varieties also.

36:38Etienne FontanHow tall were the wide-leaf drug varieties in the mountains? I've told that they never got above three feet. Is that true?

36:45SpeakerNo, that's not true. No. You do have an Afghani kind of hash plant, which I have some seeds for, that only likes to grow three feet tall. In South India, on the roof of a building in Bangalore, it grew three feet tall. From the very second set of leaves, it was flowering. And it flowered all the way. But if we say Afghan, John, we're talking about pretty far north of the Hindu Kush mountains and kind of out of, you know, Pakistan for people, you know, geographically not so inclined.

37:15SpeakerPakistan separates Afghan from India. So you've got a pretty big frigging space between India and what is now Afghanistan. That's true, but I, along with a bunch of other people, took tons of seeds to India back in the day, and we used to hand out all the good seeds to our friends who did the growing there. So I know for sure that there's indica and sativa growing there.

37:42SpeakerA friend of ours... When you say bring the seeds, do you mean seeds from Afghanistan? What do you mean when you bring seeds from... No, I brought seeds there from Vietnam. And Cambodia and Laos from when I was in Vietnam. And I gave them to my friends in Goa. And when I went back, they had several very tall plants growing there. What year was that, John? Say what now?

38:11SpeakerYou got garbled. What year was that, John? Oh, go ahead. What year was that, John? When? When I went there with the seeds? To Goa, correct. That would have been in the 87, 88? Yeah, because I took Kerala seeds to Goa in 72. Uh-huh.

38:36SpeakerYeah, well, I took the seeds there in 87 because... Can I ask you guys, aside from all this, I took seeds somewhere bullshit. Do you guys think that all of the varieties that are in the, you know, those islands now came obviously from India and China, Sam? That was my question. Well, you know, the stuff you find in the tip of India and the stuff you find all the way at the top in the Himalayan foothills and further up even, It's very, very similar.

39:07SpeakerThere's not a lot of difference between how the plants look. The ones that are there, and I'm not talking about seeds that we may have taken there. I'm talking about the endemic varieties. And there's a lot of them there. And you can drive by, like in Rishikesh, you can drive for two hours at 60 miles an hour through pot plants on both sides of the road. They're 15, 20 feet tall.

39:31SpeakerAnd dozens and dozens of people out rubbing the stems. And I think for the most part, those plants have been there for a very long time. And I agree with Sam, they probably are all indica. But one thing I did notice is the farther up the mountain you go, when you get up towards the high places, is the hash gets way, way better. The rubbed hash. It gets soft.

39:56SpeakerIt gets brown. It gets to where you can squeeze it and almost get oil out of it with your fingers. That's up. Himachal Pradesh. Himachal. Himanchal. Himachal. Yeah. You got to take the bus through there. You know, the buses there are mind-boggling. You can see through the floor. They go around these corners really fast. They drive like crazy. Sometimes you have to push them. They, but yeah, sometimes you have to push them out of a mud hole.

40:24SpeakerI remember standing outside of a bus one day there and we were looking at a mountainside up way high with binoculars. And I remember saying to the friend who was with me, Jesus Christ, I'm glad I'm not up there. Look at that fucking road that that guy's going on. It is crazy. Hour and a half later, guess where we were? Same spot. We had to cross over that very same mountain.

40:44SpeakerI actually got out of the bus and And said, you guys go ahead on this and I'm going to walk behind you because I didn't want to be a party in case that bus slid off the road. Another 46 Indian people died today on a bus playing 3,000 feet. I took a Nepali bus from Patna up to Kathmandu and I barely fit in the seat. So I ate a giant piece of hashish to make myself pass out.

41:11SpeakerAnd I woke up and I was in Kathmandu. Knives. A friend of mine got hash in Kathmandu and rode a Nepali bus back down and the hole in the floor, his hash fell through it and he didn't know it until the end of the bus ride and it was gone. Oh. Hey, Sam, did you know- For the sake of this conversation, I was going to say, you know, there's people in the chat room saying no sativa.

41:34SpeakerIt's not so much there's no sativa. It's just that, and you know, when you read Rob Clark's latest book, Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany, You know, he points out that we mistakenly call things what we think they are instead of what they really are. And in Europe, when you realize that everyone in Europe that was growing ropes and fibers and making paints and varnishes around Columbus's days and earlier was doing it with cannabis.

42:01SpeakerThank you for joining us.

42:22SpeakerWith the word sativa. And our government did it and everyone did it. And really, a majority of what we smoke, Sam, correct me if I'm wrong, is from India or Afghanistan, is indica. And even the varieties from Thailand and other areas originated originally thousands of years ago in this same area in China and India. And then got migrated as people moved around and brought the seeds. I absolutely agree with everything you're saying.

42:50SpeakerRight. Okay. People seem confused. There's like no sativa. It's like, no, in India, there's just tropical varieties. And me as a grower, I've always understood that when people said sativa, they were simply trying to say long flowering, more equatorial variety.

43:09BubblemanWhich probably has less importance when you also think of, and Chimera's mentioned it on here, Ethan Russo mentioned it during his talk yesterday, and Todd even sort of mentioned it at the start of what he just said. Now, we should be calling things what they are. Botanists will care more about where things came from in the history. That means not much to me who's growing for medicine or for recreation, and all I need to know are what are the constituents.

43:33BubblemanIf it's not illegal for me, I don't care how long it takes to flower. I don't care how small of a yield that I get. These are prohibition-based mentalities that I don't need to understand. I just need to understand what cannabinoids are present, what terpene profile is present, and how does it interact with me when I use it.

43:51SpeakerWell, you know, Mark, I think that's a fantastic misnomer, though, because, you know, at Positronics 20-something years ago, you know, a lot of the people thought that a shorter, faster-flowering Afghan or Hindu Kush would yield more than a longer-flowering equatorial variety, and it's really not necessarily the truth, because one will perpetually flower, and if you know how to maintain it and handle it, there'll be smaller flowers, but there'll be flowers friggin' everywhere.

44:19SpeakerIt's only the truth. So it just depends on how they do it, I believe.

44:23BubblemanExactly. It's the truth under the conditions they're growing in. If they're growing a short flowering, heavy yielding plant and they start putting in a bunch of these narrow leaf drug cultivars still in the same condition, not growing them like Australians, 18 feet tall and 20 feet wide and pulling 12 pounds. Because I've seen more weight come off of those narrow leaf tropical grown satin. That's right.

44:47SpeakerAnd you know what also it becomes if you're an indoor grower doing see a green style growing, it becomes a time issue because even though you're growing an eight week plant, if you have to give it, Thank you for watching.

45:13SpeakerAbsolutely.

45:14BubblemanI've always just focused not well for the last, you know, 10 plus years or whatever. I just have I've been in a blessed situation to not have to worry about when you're not selling your crop at the end of the the grow, you're less concerned with how much you're going to get. And, you know, you're just like when it's for yourself, you just want to make it the best that it can possibly be.

45:39SpeakerRight, when you grow for yourself, it's just love. But you know, now that we're turning it into products and we're appreciating the scent and the smell and the flavor and the nuances, I believe that now you'll see the bag to peel matter less and the overall effect and how it leaves you feeling and affects you mattering so much more.

46:00Etienne FontanBut as you point out, Todd, this is the huge problem, which is nomenclature, and it's still a problem we have all over the world currently, is that Rob has recently, or to us that are enlightened, realize it's not that new information, but to the rest of the world, the whole Indica Sativa thing is still an issue because Thank you for joining us today.

46:39Etienne FontanThe ether and it's still taking time for people to understand the difference that it, you know, as much as is it easier to just go on the laziness of the nomenclature of Indica versus Sativa. We have to make concerted efforts to educate each other and those around us for the better of us all because it's proper taxonomy now. It's no longer just hearsay and conjecture.

47:02SpeakerAnd the reality is there's going to be real sativa in California now with hemp going in all over the place. I can tell you a funny story. When I made my first seed package back in the mid-70s, it was for Kerala. And it was, I called it Cannabis Indica. And there was a picture of narrow leaf drug variety. And I called it Cannabis Indica because it was from India.

47:30SpeakerAnd it was a drug variety. So I thought that's what I should do. And then for 20 years or so, there was a lot of controversy. And they said, no, that is cannabis sativa. It's narrow leaf. And finally, people have come back around. You know what?

47:52BubblemanThat's further proof that that is the correct nomenclature because if you were on this 20 to 30 years ago and they've all just kind of come around now, then of course, hello.

48:02SpeakerWell, dare I say though, there's a lot of stuff that is called indica that isn't pot. It just means it originated in India. And I think that going back- Yeah, back in the day, I mean, and that's why I asked because when you go and look at India, there is everything from what we call indica, the thick leaflet plants that are short with big buds that flower fast, all the way down south, you know, the southern tip for people that don't realize it of India is almost tropical.

48:33SpeakerIt's in the tropics, and those plants are going to be very different from the plants that are growing up in the mountains under colder conditions and having to make a warm, safe place for the seed and be able to deal with colder temperatures. So we've got very different plants. Todd, can I ask you a question? Since you seem to be the... Thank you for joining us.

49:18SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

49:44SpeakerBecause you didn't bring everything else, right? So in a different environment, didn't you get to see different things? Were they shorter? Oh, they were way shorter. They were 12 feet. That's strictly from photo period in the south of India. The photo period there never gets long like it does in the north. Well, I got that. It was on the equator. But this brings me to my second question for Todd.

50:11SpeakerIf that being the case... Do you think, how can you backwardly apply it to the theorem about all of the different things? I mean, maybe these plants all just grow differently under different circumstances, and that's the differences, and saying it is one thing or another might be way off base, because when I saw the ones grow on the roof in Bangalore, I was utterly amazed. They never got over three feet tall, and these were playing...

50:43SpeakerBut can I say this? I mean, you know, one of the things I've always found amusing when I'm talking about the way things grow, cannabis particularly, is that cannabis is so diverse. And when people want to generalize, cannabis does A or cannabis does B, the first thing I think is, wow, they don't have very much experience actually growing cannabis. Because I see incredible differences in the different varieties I grow.

51:05SpeakerAnd I know that if I put them also in different environmental conditions, they will do very different things. And It's so much so that I've had two cuttings from the same mother in different parts of the flower room do so different that I thought honestly they were different phenols. Because one flower filled up so much and the other one didn't. And I thought for a minute, shit, did I screw up my mother's?

51:29SpeakerAnd I didn't. It was just environmental. The environmental plays such a powerful role in it. I... You could look at these plants that were grown in California, Southern California and Southern Washington, and then take a look at them growing on the roof in Bangalore. Well, can I ask you this, Sam? You can easily think to yourself, maybe these plants are ash plants because they only grew three feet tall.

51:53SpeakerIn other words, different people, these seeds coming from one place to another place and then being grown there might be part of the confusion. Well, they're all hash plants. They all make these little resin heads that we love so much and to varying degrees. So they're all hash plants. I mean, that's kind of a misnomer. Some make more dense amounts of trichromes, but they all make hash.

52:19SpeakerBut the next point or question I had is if we go backwards, Uh, into the 20th century, uh, and we go beyond the Vietnam War prior to there being really any cannabis here in North America or, or, you know, the, the, the scene in Canada for a long time wasn't cannabis, it was hashish. And, and it took really the Vietnam War happening and the hippies coming back or the, Soldiers coming back from places like Vietnam and Thailand, bringing seeds and bringing plants that actually introduced those cultivars into the Pacific Northwest in the first place.

52:59SpeakerAm I right, Sam? Those plants had to come from somewhere. And if I'm correct, weren't they coming from places like Thailand, Michoacan, Acapulco, Jamaica, Maui? These are all tropical. They were all Mexican in the late 60s in California. But... The more exotic varieties like Colombian and Thai and these ones, you either had to grow them into Southern California. It was hard to grow those outdoors in Northern California.

53:28SpeakerSure, but they all originated, they all came from people bringing those seeds from tropical places to California in the 50s, 40s, 50s, and 60s in order for us to have them here. Well, in 65, I was sending San Yo refrigerators full of Buddha stick back to my mom because there was no customs to go through when you were a combat. But think about this, John. 65 was not that long ago.

53:53SpeakerI mean, in the relative evolution of cannabis, it was the beginning of what became a tidal wave. And, you know, you go back into the 40s and 50s and none of these tropical varieties of cannabis was in Oregon, Washington, California, any of them. This whole influx of genetics happened during the 60s and 70s.

54:14Etienne FontanBut go back to even the 20s and 30s because the jazz era and things like that, they were smoking types of cannabis because that's what caused the whole stigma even to start up, the whole muggles and all that sort of stuff. So what exactly were those types of genetics were they smoking? Because they had to have come from somewhere because they didn't exist.

54:31SpeakerIt must have been pretty good, ATN, because my mother smoked it and she told me they called it reefer. And I said, well, why did they call it reefer? She said, oh, they keep it in cold storage trucks when they move it around because of the smell. You know, and so they must have had some pretty good cultivars. My mother told me that she remembers getting very, very, very stoned in nightclubs in New Jersey, by the way, Todd, back in the 40s on pot.

54:59Etienne FontanI have recordings of hemp farmers back in the 34, and these guys were in their 90s and have probably since passed. Back in the 90s, John Lupien had went and actually recorded these farmers because after they had heard that, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

55:33Etienne FontanAnd when they realized they didn't get high and it didn't do anything for them, they realized it was full of shit. But it became so impractical over time because the taxation was so intense that it became unaffordable for the individual farmer to have it. But there is not really much documentation of those cannabis or that cannabis that was smoked back then because any of that type of that documentation or anything at the time was pretty much destroyed.

56:01Etienne FontanUm, or hasn't been found through, and my friend John Lupien has been through 50 plus different research facilities through Freedom of Information Act, trying to find stuff that was declassified from back then. And we never found any reference except to just cannabis, its name itself, but as opposed to any that actually properly described the effects or the taxonomy or where the actual genetics came from, et cetera, is greatly lacking, I think.

56:28Etienne FontanSam, am I correct?

56:30SpeakerWell, I think a lot of it was coming from Mexico and maybe the Caribbean. So at least in New Orleans, which was where one of the first areas where there was declared a cannabis problem. But even in California, I forget where it was. They outlawed it in 1916. Yeah, it was pre-37.

56:58Etienne FontanI think the furthest thing going back was I think 1909, which was the gentleman crossing the border from Mexico, I think was the first documented. And then before 1909, we can't find any reference to the actual terminology marijuana itself. We can find no documentation before that.

57:14SpeakerI think the first law in California was 1916. They may have been harassing people earlier than that, but I think it was legal to possess in California before 1916. But can I ask you this, Sam? Modern cultivation techniques like we saw in the book Sense Amelia and what you ended up building a career around, it didn't start until the 60s. Am I correct? No, it didn't even start until the 70s.

57:42SpeakerReally? No. There were people in Mexico that were producing subsumia. There was people in Colombia. There was people in Thailand in the 50s and the 60s. But in California, it didn't start until Eric and Wood's book came out in, I think, 76. That's when it really spilled out. People were getting a little bit of... Colombian Sim Simeon or Thai Sim Simeon before that, but they weren't growing it and they didn't really understand the big picture until that book came out.

58:15SpeakerA few people did, but hardly anybody. Can I ask you then, a few people did. Ed, old Ed Holloway. And I know he, from telling me his stories, that he was growing in the 60s. I know that he first got turned on to cannabis in the early 60s when his sons who were in their 20s came back from Vietnam. And for those who don't understand who I'm talking about, Ed Holloway is the guy that taught Bernard Bruning how to grow seedless cannabis in the early 70s.

58:44SpeakerIn Amsterdam, right, when Bernard, who would go on to found Positonics, was just a young hippie and Ed was already in his 50s. He turned 80 when I was there with him in 1996. So he was always old Ed to everybody. But I know that gentleman was growing in Oregon and California in the 60s. Absolutely a few people were, but hardly anybody, really hardly anybody. The only reason I learned about it in the late 60s was because a friend of mine was importing Mexican Acapulco gold and he brought some up and some of it was seeded and some of it was not seeded and I said well what's the difference and he says uh Try them both and tell me what you think.

59:29SpeakerAnd I tried them both and I immediately found out that the Simpsonia was a bit stronger and no seed weight. So you got twice as much dope because back in those days dope could easily be 50% seed weight.

59:45Etienne FontanThat I totally get and understand.

59:49SpeakerSo, but I still wasn't growing then though. I didn't grow for like, let's see, that was like in the late 60s. Yeah. Well, for another five years or so. You know, for those listening, you know, and John, you would really appreciate the story of Ed Holloway. He was literally a rocket scientist that Thank you for joining us.

1:00:33SpeakerEarly 70s, he was already in Amsterdam in what would become a flourishing cannabis culture for quite a while, for decades. And the gentleman was great. I could hold flowers up to his nose and he would tell me the country he remembered they came from. It was really, really beautiful.

1:00:52Etienne FontanEd was the originator. I mean, he was a pioneer, honestly, back in the 60s of cannabis. He was the one who, like you said, he turned, you know, the Dutch on to growing seedless cannabis, which to cause Mellow Yellow, which was the first head shop, et cetera, et cetera. You know, so he's... His story needs to be told because, yeah, he went from rocket scientist to flying around the world and gathering genetics and breeding.

1:01:19Etienne FontanAnd I mean, we would not know cannabis today without the knowledge of gentlemen like Ed Holloway or you, Sam. You know, you guys are literally the Mount Rushmore for many of us because of what you've been able to do and perpetuate. So thank you from all of us.

1:01:39SpeakerHey, Sam, have you been able to get your picture on each seed yet? No, I've just got the DNA altered so that it's got the, besides the classical TCG, the four amino acids found in chromosomes, I've also included a new one.

1:02:01Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, hey, hey, wait a second. Base pairs found in DNA. Thank you very much.

1:02:07SpeakerYeah, what did I say?

1:02:10Dr Mark ScialdoneYou said amino acids found in chromosomes?

1:02:14SpeakerWell, aren't they amino acids?

1:02:17Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, they're base pairs.

1:02:19SpeakerAnd what are the base pairs made out of?

1:02:21Dr Mark ScialdoneThey're made of base pairs. Proteins are made of amino acids.

1:02:26SpeakerOkay, well, you know me. I'm not a chemist, but I get the big picture. That's okay.

1:02:33Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm here just to set everything straight, man.

1:02:35SpeakerWait a minute now. He was explaining how he has his DNA. Yes, so I've inserted SK into everything, and I've flown over the entire world with jets. What you thought was them dropping some sort of mysterious gas was actually pollen from my males. And I've pollinated every cannabis plant in the entire world with these SK marker genes, and everything belongs to me, actually.

1:03:01Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, fortunately there are no nucleic acid base pairs S and K, but there are amino acids. The S amino acid is called serine, so that's a real amino acid, and the K amino acid is one called lysine, so yes, okay. So you do have two amino acids, but no, we don't have any base pairs for S and K, sorry.

1:03:27SpeakerAre you trying to say it's not all mine?

1:03:33SpeakerMy God, I've been living an illusion. I've been living a lie.

1:03:38Dr Mark ScialdoneYou and everyone else as long as Trump's been president.

1:03:44SpeakerYeah. Can we get a ballroom up in the middle here somewhere? How about right now? How about right now? Let's do it. Ballroom, drip, mother lovers. Come on.

1:03:56Etienne FontanIt's about damn time.

1:03:58SpeakerI was just waiting, bro. I didn't want to interrupt everybody. It's the first time I've been faced with a dilemma like this. When I was in Southern California at the Cup, I got literally three pounds of concentrate samples. It was the weekend of my birthday, and While I was there, I ran into this guy, Chase. And everywhere I went, he went behind me. And as we would go to the different booths, he'd go, hey, hey, Andrea's here from Ash Church.

1:04:26SpeakerAnd it's his birthday. And so people would load me up. And now I'm sitting here looking at 40 different concentrate bottles, deciding which one of these I'm going to open up first and jam in. But it looks like I found one. From critical concentrates.

1:04:43BubblemanThe best. Always start with the best and finish with the worst. Then you're always smoking the best that you have.

1:04:50SpeakerWell, I've never found one of these concentrates yet that I was given there that wasn't really outstanding. My favorite is Strawberry Banana. I have eight different Strawberry Banana concentrates. Two of them are right along with what Todd was talking about. Making a feeling in your body. Two of the strawberry bananas, when I dab them, it's like someone poured a bucket of warm water all over me. I can just feel it go right in.

1:05:15BubblemanThat's literally what I just hit.

1:05:18SpeakerYeah, that's exactly what I'm hitting right now, too. I love that strawberry banana, man. It's the hottest thing since sunburn.

1:05:27BubblemanThe hottest thing since sunburn. It's the hottest thing since fire.

1:05:34SpeakerThat's funny because I like Reza when I take a big hit. It's like somebody threw a bucket of ice water in my face. Right.

1:05:45BubblemanOh, is Josh back in the chat?

1:05:51SpeakerWhat's going on? Holy mackerel. Putting names on there or something and messing with us here, Bubble Man, or what?

1:06:00BubblemanNo, but I did just read something funny about John's story. A guy named Chase was following him around. Irony. That's ironic.

1:06:11SpeakerOh, you mean because he was chasing me?

1:06:13BubblemanWell, it's possible.

1:06:16SpeakerIt's linguistic.

1:06:17BubblemanWas he from the CCC 420?

1:06:20SpeakerHe's T-D-C-R on Instagram.

1:06:23BubblemanOh, T-C-D-R, right. Okay, absolutely, yes. He's now, since you were hanging out with him, tagging me on every single post that he makes on Instagram, so I see his stuff come across my history.

1:06:36SpeakerListen, he was really nice to me. He took me to all the best booths there. He said, look, there's a lot of booths here, and there's a good portion of them that have just crap. He says, I'll take you around. The very good ones. First thing he did was took me up to the Guild Extracts and I met the main guy from Guild Extracts and he was very kind.

1:06:57SpeakerHe pulled a bottle out. Pulled a tube out of his pocket, filled it up with these huge CBD crystals, and then he took another tube of terpenes out of his other pocket and covered them and screwed the lid on and said, enjoy, and gave me that. And I've been enjoying those crystals, and I tell you, when I'm ready to go to bed at night, I pop one of those little crystals out of that terpene soup and pop it in the dab thing and hit it, and boom, I'm off to bed, man.

1:07:23SpeakerThat stuff works like stink. But anyway, everywhere I went there, people were very, very kind. It was a beautiful show. I got to say, I don't think it was less than the Emerald Cup, though. I mean, it was a pretty swank affair. There was a lot going on there. There was a lot of fun. And I also got the chance to bring back and extract some kratom.

1:07:48SpeakerAnd I'm totally... I'm told that kratom is sensitive and over 100 degrees it degrades or thermally degrades. So I extracted some of it and I got a very, very pure yellow heavy slurry extract that looks to be pure mitragyne or whatever it is they call it. But that stuff sells for $65 a milliliter.

1:08:15SpeakerThat's crazy.

1:08:15BubblemanYou can start giving it out to people that are trying to get off... Opioids.

1:08:21SpeakerDude, I myself, not only does it help you, I guess, if you're on opioids, but I have a serious back problem. I've got two titanium cages, and they get irritated once in a while, and it's a nightmare. And when I take a dab of that, not a dab, I mean a dab on the end of a toothpick and put it in my mouth, Of that Metrogine solution that I extracted, within about 10 or 15 minutes, my back is like no longer bothering me.

1:08:49SpeakerSo I think it's some kind of amazing stuff. I combine that with the CBD. I'll take the Metrogine and then smoke the CBD and my body just takes a huge relax. I can just feel myself because I'll take one of those breaths involuntarily, which is an autonomic nerve release. And that's your body telling you that it just went down one level.

1:09:12BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, there's nothing better for sleep aid than having a two and a half year old.

1:09:20SpeakerYeah, I had four of them.

1:09:24BubblemanYeah, well, this is my third one, but I haven't had them all at once. They were kind of, you know, one and then the next. And now this last one is... And we're, and you know, just, I'm 44, so.

1:09:37SpeakerThat's the gray hair model, you know. I am 44 too, and that's the gray hair model. That's the one that'll actually bring on all your gray hairs.

1:09:47BubblemanWell, I welcome my gray hairs. I've got them coming in. I don't mind gray hairs. I don't even mind if all my hair fell out. I'm kind of not attached to it in any way, shape, or form. I think of it kind of like just as something that's being excreted out of my head. I can take it or leave it.

1:10:02SpeakerYou know, but when you grow a little beard, you look older. And when you shave the beard off, you go back to looking 25.

1:10:08BubblemanSure, well, my beard's like white, so. Yeah. I definitely, you gotta look a little older with a white beard.

1:10:14Etienne FontanYou're like, damn, that guy looks, looks like he's 26.

1:10:19BubblemanWith a 70-year-old beard. With a 70-year-old beard. Yep, it's the truth. Well, maybe it's time for a little dry sift. Got some 09 cookies here I could throw on the dish.

1:10:33SpeakerAnother bong rip you're saying then.

1:10:35BubblemanYeah, I've just been kind of puffing pretty steady here. I'm kind of bummed. In an hour, Ethan Russo speaks again on the endocannabinoid system, and he really did a great talk yesterday. I thought it was just nice, simple, understanding, and you learned a bunch of shit when you watch that guy speak.

1:10:54Dr Mark ScialdoneIs Natasha down there, Mark?

1:10:56BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I saw Natasha and Dave. I went to dinner with them. They took us out for dinner the other day. We were supposed to go with Martin Lee, but his plane was delayed. I did end up seeing him as well yesterday. And I think he speaks today after Ethan. So it's possible that I get to see Martin speak. It depends on how fast I make it down there.

1:11:17BubblemanI'm like almost an hour away from the University of British Columbia, but I got a little motorcycle that I can boot down there on. So we'll see what happens.

1:11:28SpeakerBe careful on a motorcycle, Mark.

1:11:31BubblemanYes, absolutely. I carry that as my mantra, John, because unfortunately my father died on a motorcycle.

1:11:41SpeakerI know, when you gave him.

1:11:42BubblemanYeah, with his wife, the whole nine yards. It couldn't be any worse, really. So I carry that with me, and I'm more conscious about that than most people could possibly imagine. But at the same time, It would be like if my dad, you know, died because a bunch of cannabis fell on him. I'd still probably use cannabis. I might just not stand under large amounts of it.

1:12:05BubblemanBut, yeah, I love motorcycles.

1:12:08SpeakerDo you think more people get hurt on motorcycles because of their own actions or because some other driver wiped them out?

1:12:17BubblemanWell, that's hard to say. You know, that's hard to say, though, D, because you're mentioning that from your perspective and yours. There are a lot of adult motorcycle riders out there that ride these race rockets that are just like, they make bad decisions. I live on a highway that they ride on a lot. And every year, usually one of them blows off, gets a pole, breaks into 20 pieces.

1:12:38BubblemanIt's bad. So I don't know what it is. I know that the top guy, like the top motocross motorcycle dude that wins all the champions from Italy was interviewed one day. And they said, why don't you ride motorcycles in the city on the roads and stuff? And he said, because ze idiot in ze car. So you definitely have to be careful because if everyone who got a license, and this is the truth, was forced to ride a little moped, like a tiny little hundred CC bike for like the first two weeks or month, you would realize how exposed you are with those other cars.

1:13:16BubblemanAnd I think you would go into driving a car a lot safer Thank you so much for joining us.

1:13:46SpeakerI ride it a lot.

1:14:03SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:14:25SpeakerAnd, you know, the guys in the cars and everything like that, people are paying more attention these days and that sort of stuff because there's more signs and everything. But the bottom line is you're exposed and it's up to you. If you want to ride protected or unprotected, it's up to you. If you wipe out unprotected, you got scabs from head to toe. You got to ride in my shorts sometimes because I'm not smart sometimes on that.

1:14:49BubblemanI've ridden with you in shorts.

1:14:52SpeakerYes, I've ridden with Mark and we've ridden pretty hard. I can say Mark knows how to ride his motorbike pretty good and it doesn't matter how good we can ride. It's always somebody out there that can A good example is Bicyclist in California. Everybody I know that rides a bicycle in California has been hit to some degree by a car. Every one. Twice. They go down Highway 101 racing.

1:15:24BubblemanJohn's now explaining why he's hit a few of them.

1:15:28SpeakerNo, I mean, but they're all over the road. I mean, in the summer, the roads in Northern California are covered with bicycles and bicycle accidents. I have seen numerous of them, especially up in the Lost Coast area where bicycles are thick during the summer. And people come around a corner and there'll be like 30 bikes and they'll be in the middle of the road. And they know that bikers get the idea that, hey, we got the right of way.

1:15:59SpeakerSo it doesn't matter what we do. We can ride here 12 abreast.

1:16:04Etienne FontanAndrea, one, fuck you. Two, I am a cyclist and I've been hit twice and I was doing everything proper and being respectful. Hey, I've never hit anything. There's a lot of bad drivers as well as bad cyclists, but you can't lump them all together. I used to have a cycling team. And on race days, you'd have people obliviously drive onto the freaking race course. So it takes all kinds and don't generalize every single one into that reality because I've known some of the best cyclists in the world and some idiots just roll up on them with a bat and swipe at them because, you know, they think it's funny to try to knock somebody who's riding their, you know, on their bike to knock them off and not realizing the type of damage you can cause somebody.

1:16:52SpeakerI've never even come close to hitting a bike. And I'm just telling you how the conditions were. I'm the person who slows down and drives slowly by bikers no matter what because I appreciate that bikes have problems sometimes and sometimes people turn around to look to see what's going on and they wander over into the lane. So when I drive by those people, I drive by them at Thank you for joining us.

1:17:49SpeakerBut believe me, I don't have any disrespect for bicycles in town. I used to go to the bicycle races in Switzerland where they have the wooden track where it's very steep and people get going so fast that you can't believe how fast they zip by. And we used to go there and sit at those races for hours. I thoroughly enjoyed that. It was a great time.

1:18:10BubblemanThis is where you say you wore an onion on your belt. I had an onion on my belt.

1:18:16Etienne FontanWe have a track in San Jose. That's the closest track in Northern California. Ed Chan, have you ridden a bicycle in Amsterdam? I have not my bicycle at one of the Dutch cycles. Yes. It's actually amazingly safe in Amsterdam. Well, not only that.

1:18:33SpeakerAll the cars are on the lookout for bicycles constantly.

1:18:37Etienne FontanYou go out to places like Wageningen and I love and appreciate the Dutch and a lot of the Europeans, one, that they raise their people properly because I'm not going to deny, Andrew, there is some shitty cyclists out there. And I credit a great deal of Europe where they actually educate children at a young age on the proper way to ride a bike. However, Europe has separate bike lanes so that your bike lanes are separate from the roads altogether except in cities like Amsterdam.

1:19:05Etienne FontanEven in Amsterdam, they're doing that more and more and more. Good, because I was, I was, I was, you know, amazed by, you know, Wagenagen and seeing how it's completely separate and how all a lot of these outer lying cities have really forethought and have included where I'm from southern Louisiana. I grew up riding on my mom's three, three speed on a 45 degree angle on shale shells.

1:19:33Etienne FontanSo when I finally got around to riding on flat, safe ground because you couldn't ride on the road in Louisiana, they would run you off the road and kill you. And so I understood and have always respected that. So when I do dress, I always wear...

1:19:52Etienne FontanI wear proper gear. I wear bright stuff so I can be seen because the two times I did get hit, I wasn't wearing bright stuff. I wasn't properly seen. And one time I even looked the guy directly in the eye and he still ran me over. So it's just the reality of just people just don't pay attention until, you know, you're literally crawling out from under their car.

1:20:14BubblemanWell, I'm definitely less worried about cyclists than cars. One thing that I can say I notice a lot, particularly when I'm on my KTM because it's very nimble and I can move between vehicles towards lights and get into the other lane. And I can't believe how often Everyone is on their fucking phone. They're all fucking driving on their phones. Like, it's unbelievable how many people. And it's like, man, it's like a $300 ticket.

1:20:42SpeakerHere in Amsterdam, all the people on the bicycles are on their phone. And it's illegal, just like driving a car. It should be. I mean, hands-free is legal, but yeah, in a car, I mean. Well, there's some places where it's illegal to walk and talk on your phone at the same time because it seems in America that people can only do one thing at a time. So while they're talking on their phone, they'll walk into a deep crevice in the sidewalk.

1:21:18BubblemanWell, I've seen some pretty, I remember riding bikes with my friend years ago in Amsterdam. So many things to pay attention to, particularly if you're first in that city and you're all stoned up. If you've been eating edibles, forget about it. But you've got the trams, which will straight kill you, like you cannot get hit by a tram. So that's the real main thing to avoid. Cars in all directions, bicycles like crazy, people crossing the street.

1:21:44BubblemanIf you put your head down for a second, you can definitely get smoked. I watched my friend drive her front tire into the tram track at a very high speed and literally flip over the handlebars. It was not a funny situation. I can laugh about it years later because she didn't end up in a hospital and lose teeth or anything like that. But I literally thought she was dead the way she flew off the handlebars onto that cobblestone.

1:22:09BubblemanEven the sound that the tire made when it went in,

1:22:15Etienne FontanWe had that problem in San Francisco because of the trolley. The trolley actually has one of those, and you can actually put your tire in that, and I've seen that happen, and yeah, it's ass over a tea kettle for them. Not good.

1:22:29SpeakerWell, it was the local natives know better than making their tires parallel with those. Right? What was that at 10? Can you say that again? That's what over a tea kettle? Ass over tea kettle. Ah, new saying, thanks.

1:22:46BubblemanIt's from 1911, actually. I was about to say it's a very old saying.

1:22:50SpeakerWell, I like very old sayings. Quite often when people ask me how I am, I say fine as a frog's hair or not bad for a sharecropper.

1:23:01Etienne FontanSomebody is asking if I think the Berkeley Mycology course is good. I have no idea, but I do know the former head of the Mycological Society who does live in Berkeley, and he's a really good guy and makes some of the most amazing chess boards. Somebody was asking in chat there, because I have no idea. I have not taken any mycological courses except the bioassays that I have done from time to time.

1:23:27SpeakerPaul Stamets. Paul Stamets courses will pretty much get you to where you can produce any kind of mushroom. Or identify. For foraging, David Aurora used to give classes at UCSC that were incredible. Me and my wife took them.

1:23:50BubblemanYeah, I'm definitely, I am a practicing mycologist. I loved growing mushrooms. I loved going out and collecting them. Edibles as well as psychedelics, both were the ones that sort of I fancied, if you will. BC is so ripe with so many different psychedelic and edible mushrooms that... It's definitely a nice thing to learn. It's kind of like one of those things that you want to, you know, be very careful with.

1:24:18BubblemanSort of when in doubt, throw them out rather than destroy your liver and kill yourself. Because it can't happen with those deadly galerinas. Hell yeah, you don't want to be eating galerinas.

1:24:31SpeakerAre you saying that dying is not a good trip? Yeah, dying is a bad trip, dude. Here in Amsterdam, you can order, I don't know, five or ten different varieties through the mail. They won't send you mushrooms, but they'll send you sclerota stones or philosopher's stones. Sclerota. Mushrooms are still legal in Amsterdam, right, Sam? No. What's that? Fresh mushrooms are still legal. I think the fresh ones might be.

1:25:01SpeakerYes, they are. You can't get dried. You just can't get dried. But they can't sell fresh mushrooms because they go off so fast. It doesn't work out. Hey, I know this is off subject and everything, but on Monday I'm going to be putting up the Temple Ball tape on how to make Temple Balls. It's about hash without water. I already saw it. It was already posted, and then you took it off again.

1:25:26SpeakerI took it off because one of the people that was in it the next day decided that they didn't want their face in such a video. So I had to pull it down, re-edit it right now, and it'll come back up. But it's very, very clear how to make temple balls. If anybody is willing to send me $9.99, I'll send them the unedited version.

1:25:50BubblemanWith the guy's face in it, right? He saved it off. Sam's all screenshotting everything. He's doing a Netflix hostage thing.

1:25:57SpeakerYou got to title that Cold Balls.

1:25:59BubblemanListen. Oh, my God. Cold Balls. You do have to title that Cold Balls. On the side note.

1:26:05SpeakerFor many reasons, I think, too, really. I saw the video, too.

1:26:09BubblemanAre you in there, Indra? With what you're going through, I have filmed videos with people. I have taken a ferry, filmed a three-hour footage, cut together 40 minutes, edited, uploaded like literally half a day, 14 hours of work. And it was up for eight minutes when my friend texted me and said, oh, dude, if you don't take that video down, I'm getting a divorce. So I was like, Gone.

1:26:37BubblemanSo it happens. It's like sometimes people don't want to be in videos that you make and it's like you got to respect it even afterwards.

1:26:43SpeakerIt sucks though when you've got... Oh yeah, well, I learned a lesson from here on out. The videos are of what I'm doing. They're going to be hands and what's going on. And no faces in them because people get that way. But hey, thanks Todd for that idea of naming the video Cold Balls because... That works out pretty good. And I think I'm going to go ahead and use that if you don't mind.

1:27:10SpeakerAbsolutely, you should. I don't think he was being sarcastic. You're welcome to use my Sam I Am little doll if you need somebody to walk it through.

1:27:19BubblemanWillie Groves has just added to Todd's name. You should call it Indra's Cold Balls.

1:27:25SpeakerOh, jeez, Christ. I just saw that on the, yeah, Willie Groves. I don't want to put the bowl in my lap, okay? That's all I'm saying. You know that picture I sent you, Mark, of a quarter ounce of terpenes bubbling in the terpene collector?

1:27:42Etienne FontanYes.

1:27:43SpeakerI was going to smear them all with terpenes and call them turbo balls, but I like the cold balls thing, interest cold balls thing, much better.

1:27:52BubblemanYes, absolutely. I remember, didn't Tony and you make turbo balls? Didn't he come over there and drop off some terpenes or something and that was the birth of turbo balls?

1:28:01SpeakerYeah, it was. But that time when Tony was here, everything went in a hurry and they didn't come out soft because we had too many trichromes. And when you're making these temple balls, it's interesting. Two grams too much terpenes and they turn hard. Two grams less and you can squeeze them in half with your fingers. It's like a tipping scale somewhere along there. Just an extra few grams makes all the difference in the world in how the temple balls come out.

1:28:31BubblemanHmm. Makes sense.

1:28:33SpeakerDoes it? I couldn't make head nor tails of that. Why?

1:28:36BubblemanIt doesn't make sense in the sense that there's always particular ways. It's called know-how.

1:28:41SpeakerPropanes are a solvent, and it's dissolving some of the cannabinoids, and it's making it pliable. I understand that and I know that when it gets to a tipping point, it's like a glass of water when you pour enough salt in it, finally the salt starts building up. And I understand that that's it, but it's so sensitive. Just one or two grams difference in the formula makes the balls either really soft and pliable or it makes them so that you've got to cut them up with a knife.

1:29:12SpeakerSo interesting anyway. But I'll be posting that video again Monday evening and It's everything. Even at the end, you'll notice that I put a warning in there not to use gloves when you're making it. You're going to have to clean your hands really well, anesthetic, and then put your hands in water and make the temple balls. Because if your fingers are wet, the balls won't stick to them.

1:29:37SpeakerI'm sorry about that. I should have thought about that sentence before I said it. But in any case, if you keep your fingers wet, you can roll the temple balls up without getting any kind of a mess going. And that's the important part because they're going to be soft. They're going to be a little sticky. If you try with gloves on, what you're going to have is a pair of gloves that's completely covered in temple ball and oil.

1:30:03SpeakerAnd The only way you'll be able to get it off is to put them in the freezer and then take it out when it's frozen and pull the gloves like a rubber band and then it'll all fall off the tray in front of you. But anyway, it's just a good idea always to get your fingers wet when you're dealing with oil products anyway.

1:30:23Etienne FontanRemember, boys and girls, when handling Indra's balls, make sure your hands are wet. We don't want them sticking to you.

1:30:35SpeakerYeah, I don't want, yeah, don't want my balls sticking to you. You don't want, don't want, don't want sticky balls. I wouldn't say melts in your hands and not in your mouth, but that sounds disgusting. Yeah, this has gone way south from where I started, guys.

1:30:51BubblemanWell, it did. It's, you can't control it. It's hash church. It's the internet, too. You say shit, people get a hold of it, then the chat's going off. Now it's just like, we can't, we can't put it back on the wall. Can't put its balls to the walls.

1:31:06SpeakerI've got to interrupt this whole fucking talk here about cold balls, Indra's stuff here with the cold nuts.

1:31:13Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, wait a second. I have a chemistry question.

1:31:16SpeakerI have a chemistry question.

1:31:18Dr Mark ScialdoneHow often do I have the chemistry question? Ball rip. What terpenes are you adding to your temple balls? Are you using the same terpenes that you're capturing? From that same variety or is it just a generic cannabis terpenes you're just adding to ash that's made from different... Well, where I get the terpenes at, Mark, is I've got this new...

1:31:47SpeakerCold trap, essentially. It's a solid state one. And it's very, very, very efficient. You can set the temperature on it. It works even under pressure. Like if you want to steam distill, you can capture terpenes with it as well. But it's very efficient. And what I try to do is if somebody gives me something and then they want it decarbed, during the decarb, I run that atmosphere back to the terpene collector.

1:32:13SpeakerAnd yesterday I was able to collect, geez, I think just a little over 88 ml of terpenes with it.

1:32:24Dr Mark ScialdoneFrom how much material in the extractor?

1:32:27SpeakerIt wasn't in the extractor. It was in, I stuck it in a vacuum oven. I was de-carbing it, and so I had two 12x6 trays, and they were each about a quarter inch deep in material. I don't know, maybe two, three pounds, I guess.

1:32:50Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, so let me make sure I understand this. You're taking oil that you extracted, so a BHO oil? Yes. And you're finishing off in this oven and using this device.

1:33:02SpeakerI'm not finishing off. I'm taking oil that I made and people want to decarb. And so I use the oven to decarb it. While it's decarbing, I also grab the atmosphere. I'm going to ask a dumb question to you there, John, though. You don't need to vacuum it to decarb it. You simply need to heat it. So why are you putting it under vacuum to decarb it and stealing the heat?

1:33:28SpeakerI understand. You're taking the terpenes away.

1:33:31BubblemanTry not to all talk at once. Try not to all talk at once. One at a time. There's a chat. You can get in an order and all say your piece.

1:33:40SpeakerOkay. Well, I'm decarving it anyway. And so while I'm decarving it, why not collect the terpenes, Todd? I mean, why throw the wash out with the baby? Okay, so. Well, they're the terpenes that go with the product. So if you take the terpenes away from the cannabinoids, you've just devoted a product to being pretty good. Listen to what you're saying. Listen to yourself. When you're decarbing the stuff, it's going to go off to atmosphere.

1:34:07SpeakerSo why collect them? And then if the product needs it or if the people want it, they can put it back.

1:34:14Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, it actually makes really good sense. I was just going to say. Go ahead, John, finish.

1:34:22SpeakerNo, go ahead.

1:34:24Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, I was just going to say it makes really good sense because you're heating up. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:34:58Dr Mark ScialdoneA generic terpene mixture that you're grabbing from a decarboxylated extract, but then you're adding that back to, say, like a dry sift that's from a different cultivar? Is that what you're doing?

1:35:14SpeakerI could do all of the above, but at the present time, I just made one set of temple balls As a demonstration of how low-tech you could do it and not use water. I used a stainless steel bowl, some liquid nitrogen, and a 2x4 to make the temple balls. I put the oil under the surface of the nitrogen, ground it up with the 2x4, added the terpenes, ground it up further, took the bowl out and set it in the sun.

1:35:46SpeakerWhen the nitrogen was gone, you could grab, we left it out in the sun for a couple hours and it just totally congealed. When you bring it back in, you can pull a ball out and roll it up and you got a temple ball. And so I did it as a demonstration. So what cultivar? It was my friend's cultivar. It was his oil. I don't know. But there was a general film showing That you don't need a lot of high technology.

1:36:12SpeakerYou don't need a cryo grinder, a two by four, and a stainless steel bowl did the job. And that was the whole reason behind it. So that other people who don't have access to that kind of stuff can understand how easy it could be to do that. All you need, you could use a baseball bat and a stainless steel bowl. And so it's very low tech method of getting the job done.

1:36:37SpeakerAnd that's why I made the video. Can I point something out and can I ask Sam a question? From what I've read, you can decarboxylate THC at as low as 160 degrees over a longer period of time and not lose that much of your terpene.

1:36:54Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're going to lose terpenes at 160.

1:36:57SpeakerYou are, but DHC will decarboxylate faster at higher temperatures, right? Well, you know what? When I decarboxylate, I do it at 164, and I do it over 24 hours, and I do it under a very high vacuum. And it works just fine, and I collect the terpenes anyway, because they're going to disappear into the vacuum pump if I don't. And so I collect them... And I can put them right back in the oil.

1:37:26Dr Mark ScialdoneCan I point out one other thing for Todd's purpose is that it's good to do that in a vacuum because again you're avoiding any air that's in there because when you heat up THC it's going to, in air, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:38:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're inhibiting the formation of CBN. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

1:38:23SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:38:50SpeakerAnd I just, I'm sorry, it's just, it's cool. Listen, listen, quit trying to dig a hole, shithead. I use the vacuum oven. Dig a hole, shithead? No, I'm listening to you, John. I use the vacuum oven for a reason. Calm down, guys. I use the vacuum oven to make the, I know how to treat the stuff so that you can put it in a pen. Thank you for watching.

1:39:29SpeakerWhen I looked at my pump afterwards, that had a bunch of sticky stuff in it. So I started collecting it. And end of story. I mean, you got an issue with me having a vacuum oven even, Todd. What's your fucking problem? John, earlier in our conversations, you stated you didn't use them. When I met you... Don't use them for the problem you're talking about. You're talking about... Now you're saying that somebody gave you a vacuum oven.

1:39:51SpeakerCool. You're playing with a vacuum oven now. John, it's just different from what you said earlier. That's it. You know, you're very defensive. Yeah, I'm defensive because you're trying to make me look like I'm a liar, and that's bullshit. Both of you need to chill out. Remember, we're in church here, bros. Yeah, exactly.

1:40:10BubblemanJust chill out, you guys. It's all good.

1:40:13SpeakerBesides that, yeah, now I forgot what I was going to say. You know what? Ball rip. Ball rip. Ball rip.

1:40:24BubblemanI will say this one more time. Apparently. That's pinene, the lack of pinene in your concentrate, Sam. This is what Ethan was saying the other day and how it offers this clarity, this terpene that can... And he broke it down so crazy. It was this chemical process in the brain that... I wish I could say it as beautifully as he did, but I'll definitely try to point it out with a little...

1:40:50BubblemanGet him to come on church, Mark. I've invited him a bunch of times. He said that the company he was working for might not like it. And I was like, well, dude, you know, you're always welcome. We'd love to have you. You got great information.

1:41:01SpeakerTell him he can come on and he can hide behind a little furry animal.

1:41:08BubblemanYeah, exactly. That's, I try to tell him that, you know, I'm like, Sam comes on, he's like a doll. He's a stuffed animal with like a, a red boa around.

1:41:17Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat does that make me? I'm on, I'm a furry animal. I mean, what the hell, dude? You don't have to hide behind some furry animal.

1:41:23SpeakerYou're not a little furry animal. You're a fairly good-sized furry animal.

1:41:28Etienne FontanOkay, well, we could tell we want to talk about a small furry animal and that we want to discuss beaver.

1:41:37BubblemanIt's okay to disagree. It's okay for us to disagree. It's okay for us to be different. We just got to not take it too personally and be upset about it. It is what it is.

1:41:53SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:42:12BubblemanClimo, what if the stick had like 20 sticks that came off the end of it in all directions?

1:42:19SpeakerIf you were standing in my laboratory room, you would be pointing at something no matter where. I'm just being silly. There's nothing wrong with having a vacuum oven. Don't get me wrong. I don't need a vacuum oven for my process. I have it. I could tell you a funny story about vacuums. Okay. I used to vacuum my cannabis. So I'd have an ounce of haze. I put it in a mason jar with screw lids that you could vacuum seal shut and I found it preserved it really actually quite nice.

1:42:52SpeakerBut then one day I was sealing up like a pound of it or whatever into little jars for each week or each month, whatever I was using. I noticed that under the vacuum clear dome bell that I was using to vacuum these jars, I could vacuum six of them at a time. And I noticed that a filmy white gas was filling the room and it smelled just like terpenes.

1:43:28SpeakerAnd what I realized is that the cannabis under vacuum The terpenes volatilized at much lower temperatures, like at room temperature. Like they should, absolutely. And so I quit doing it that way because I decided I didn't want to lose the terpenes, even though it was a great way to preserve cannabis, especially if you kept it dark and cool. But what I did in the end was nitrogen wash.

1:43:58SpeakerSo you flush out all the oxygen with nitrogen. And that I found was better than the vacuuming and losing a little tiny bit of terpenes. Well, I quite often rescue older pot. Sometimes people will come up and they'll say, I got some really amazing stuff, but it's over a year old now. And what do I do with it? And you can make a good extract of older pot and the oil isn't really harmed.

1:44:29SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:44:57SpeakerThere. And I think that was the strawberry banana. I was going back and forth between Tony's table and the other guys who had strawberry banana because Tony had some strawberry banana or some banana something at his table that we were dabbing.

1:45:16BubblemanBanana goo, strawberry banana goo.

1:45:19SpeakerOh, strawberry banana goo. Yeah, that's what it was. And so I kept going from there to the other places where people had strawberry banana. Because strawberry banana was a big thing at the Cup. There were a lot of different entries of it. And so I tried to get some of each. And I got eight different ones. And out of the eight, two of them were quite amazing.

1:45:40SpeakerDid you try the Cavendish one? No, I don't think I have a Cavendish one here. No, that's a banana joke. Oh, I see.

1:45:51BubblemanI knew it was going to be some... Man, sometimes Sam's humor is like elusive. You really got to like be on the ball at all times.

1:46:02SpeakerThat was slippery. It was slippery. It slid right under. As long as you don't step on it.

1:46:08BubblemanAs long as you don't step on it.

1:46:10SpeakerYeah. Oh, shit. Or in it.

1:46:15SpeakerOh, shit. This should be called Laugh Church. That's all I'm saying.

1:46:20BubblemanToday's episode has been a bit of a Laugh Church. I hope Tony gets his internet working and we can see some of the lab. He was showing it there for a little bit. I saw some Sasquatch presses and some Bubble Now washers. See what happens.

1:46:32SpeakerHe must be working his pictures up.

1:46:35BubblemanYeah, he's probably trying to get it going. Share some stuff with us. I know we had some good stuff to share today. I kind of wanted him to talk. And earlier when I went into chat before Hash Church opened up, we were kind of talking. You know, a lot of people are still in that situation where it's like anything serious is like any type of serious ailment.

1:46:56BubblemanA lot of people are still of the mentality, just give that person as much, you know, like give them like five grams of resin every day or a minimum of gram a day. And then, you know, Prana has the sort of different approach where they've Collective their data, created this porthole, created this program, created this digital landscape, if you will, to sort of take a little more of the guessing out, but also to take out some of the excessive dosing if it's not necessary.

1:47:20BubblemanAnd they've had pretty good success with like serious ailments, cancers and autism and all sorts of things where micro dosing has been Thank you so much for joining us.

1:47:59SpeakerSo it's not inconceivable that microdosing cannabinoids is at least going to get your body's cannabinoid receptors in the on position.

1:48:11BubblemanWell, even more than that, but putting cancers into remission, you know, that's pretty major, especially when it's like stage three, stage four.

1:48:23SpeakerYeah. I think it's time for another bong rip. And now with the new healthcare we have, we'll all be even more grateful that we have cannabis.

1:48:33BubblemanNo doubt. I don't even try to pretend to understand that.

1:48:37SpeakerWell, healthcare is now accessible for everyone. And by the way, Rolls Royces are accessible too, but can you afford one? Yeah, exactly. That's been your best metaphor yet there, John. That was a pretty good one. That was a good one. That one was rolling all the way through the joke. That was good. What we need to do is convince Trump that the way we can reduce medical expenses across the board is with herbal cannabis.

1:49:08SpeakerIf people can grow their own herbal cannabis, they're going to lower the general expense of medicines. It's been proven in several states already.

1:49:19BubblemanI think he would let it happen tomorrow if he was the only one you could get it from.

1:49:25SpeakerYeah. It would happen tomorrow if it could be proven to be effective as Viagra, then he would legalize it.

1:49:35Etienne FontanI just saw this past week that his group is putting together a cannabis business thing for people to invest in properties.

1:49:47BubblemanI saw that.

1:49:47Etienne FontanNot kidding.

1:49:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, he wants his piece of the action, and he wants his cronies rewarded.

1:49:58SpeakerI wonder, though, is it going to be named Ivanka Buds or Kushner Stuff? Trump Cannabis. Trump Cannabis. It'll be in a little gold pack.

1:50:10Etienne FontanTrump Buds.

1:50:10Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, it's going to be Kush Nerds.

1:50:12Etienne FontanWith Trump stamped all over it. Yeah, Kush Nerds.

1:50:17BubblemanTerrible.

1:50:20BubblemanPlease no. Please no. Yeah.

1:50:25SpeakerWell, you gotta wonder because she just got her trademark approved in China at the same dinner that the premiere.

1:50:33BubblemanYou mean China. You mean China. China.

1:50:37Etienne FontanChina. It's China. It's with a G. China. No, with a J.

1:50:42SpeakerOkay. I thought I had a C on the front of it, but all right. China. China. Anyway, and then Gerard Kushner is busy selling citizenship applications for $500,000 for an apartment in New Jersey where he owns the land all, telling these Chinese people, come to America and... Thank you for watching.

1:51:21SpeakerSo that's a bit of a reprieve so that this actual summer in California with legalization is going to go down without government helicopters flying around like we were so used to in the 80s and 90s. So that's kind of something to celebrate.

1:51:35Etienne FontanYes, and fortunately in two states we're left out of that, right, North Dakota and North Carolina because of their recent modifications, so... Hopefully they still get protection or are afforded the same. But for the most part, that was very huge part of the reality that that writer is bought by Rohrabacher, who is one of the original supporters of Trump. So Trump is always rewarding those who surround him.

1:52:02Etienne FontanSo the looks like Sessions has no money to go after those that are doing it correctly. But if you're not doing it correctly, Jesus. How could two states be left out? I just wonder. It's probably just the drafting of the language. They were the most recent. I don't know why. It was just after it went through, Tom Angel, who puts out a great list serve with information, he put out that information right afterwards.

1:52:30Etienne FontanSo that's all we know. And when we looked at the language, those two were left out, unfortunately, and it's already signed.

1:52:38SpeakerI wanted to move to North Dakota to grow bud, man.

1:52:43BubblemanHey, don't make fun of North Dakota. We used to go down there for vacation.

1:52:48SpeakerWhere?

1:52:48BubblemanAre you trying to prove my point? To North Dakota. I lived right above it in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

1:52:55Etienne FontanSo, I mean, what did you do? Go skiing?

1:52:57BubblemanWell, we'd go down to like, okay, let me think. I got to think. We went down to Fargo. We'd go check out Fargo, do some shopping, maybe get some of those unique Reese's peanut butter cups that the Americans have that us Canadians don't have. There was random little bits of candy and stuff. We'd go to like hockey tournaments down. Oh, where was the hockey tournament where we stayed at the Patch?

1:53:20BubblemanThe patch, never forget the patch. Yeah, this is, this is, these were the spots when you live in Winnipeg. Listen, the big, big, big vacation was Minneapolis. When you got old enough, you drive down to Minneapolis, go see like Dave Matthews or Fish. You know, this was in like 92, 93, 94, 95 before I split and moved to the West Coast. So this was Canada, man, living in the, in the great,

1:53:46Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's how boring Canada is that you come to North Dakota for vacation.

1:53:51BubblemanWell, no, let's not generalize because now I live on the West Coast where the Olympics happened up in Whistler. I'm sure the X Games will be here one day. I have killer whales jumping out in front of my house with dolphins. Epic mountains and glaciers surrounding me for some of the... Yeah, you're in the cool part of Canada. I am in a great part of Canada.

1:54:10Dr Mark ScialdoneYou extradited yourself from dumb Pakistan, right?

1:54:13BubblemanWell, the cool thing about Canada is that if you're, you know, well, not even if you're Canadian, fuck, you can come here from wherever. But you generally are able to live anywhere you want. If you're from Newfoundland, you can move right over to BC. If you're from BC, you can move right over to Newfoundland and anywhere in between. So... I thought it was pretty sweet when I got to 22, 23 years old and started kind of like, you know, those mountains are calling my name.

1:54:37BubblemanI don't need to be taking these long trips just to go see bands that I like. I could live there. And so I moved here in 1996.

1:54:44Etienne FontanHey, a shout out to North Dakota though. Much love. I've actually been to, anybody else been to North Dakota? It is actually, it's beautiful. I mean, it really is, but there's definitely not a lot there, but much love.

1:54:58BubblemanAs an adult driving around, if you wanted to go check out like the nature, the nature, you know, Winnipeg people think or Manitoba and generally there's like, oh, there's no nature. It's like there's tons of nature in Manitoba. You just have to go to it and put yourself through the hell that are that is the bugs that exist in that area in the summertime, especially. Brutal! Came out here, I was like, why don't anyone have, why doesn't anyone have screens on their windows?

1:55:24BubblemanAnd it's like, we don't have mosquitoes. I'm like, oh, sweet.

1:55:29SpeakerYou been to Great Falls, Montana?

1:55:32BubblemanI have been to Great Falls, Montana.

1:55:34SpeakerAnother thriving metropolis in the middle of nowhere.

1:55:39BubblemanYeah, fish, if you follow fish around, you'll end up at all sorts of random fucking cities throughout America. They got like a venue, especially in the 90s because the venues were much smaller. So you'd really end up in, I guess, off the beaten track or whatnot.

1:55:58SpeakerThat used to be the way you'd go to Great Falls, Montana to go up the Alcan, the Alaska Canadian Highway to Alaska. And we went, my dad drug us around quite a bit. He was in the army. And when we came back from Okinawa, he would go to Detroit by a new Ford station wagon, drive us all the way up the Alcan to Alaska. So been through there a lot.

1:56:24Etienne FontanThat's cool. I'm getting ready. I'm finally going to Alaska in July and I'm swinging actually through Victoria.

1:56:31BubblemanDude, what do you mean you're swinging through Victoria? It's an island.

1:56:35Etienne FontanIt's Vancouver. I guess we're stopping on the boat, stopping and we're going to stop for a day.

1:56:38BubblemanSo I have to come to Victoria to chill out with you?

1:56:42Etienne FontanIt's Vancouver. I think we're coming into Vancouver. Are you taking the ferry up to...

1:56:50SpeakerThat up to where the highway gets to Alaska. Is that what you're doing?

1:56:54Etienne FontanYeah, I'm taking I'm taking a ship out of San Francisco and going up to the glaciers and then swinging back down.

1:57:03SpeakerNice.

1:57:03Etienne FontanBecause I've never been to Alaska. And so I figured I'd go there and check it out. So we're going to go to Juneau and see that and then swing back through Canada again.

1:57:11BubblemanVery cool. Very cool. That'll be a great trip, man. Alaska is serious, serious place.

1:57:19Etienne FontanAnd it's during July. It's like during the only time when it's nice there, right? When it isn't absolutely freezing. But isn't it the sun's up, right? That's the entire time. Yep.

1:57:30SpeakerWell, 23 hours at one point in time in Alaska, the sun's, it makes a huge circle and then it dips down for an hour and then comes back up again. Wow. So you only get an hour of darkness. Yeah.

1:57:45BubblemanIt's not even really darkness.

1:57:47SpeakerIt's not darkness, yeah, it's twilight.

1:57:49BubblemanIt's twilight, exactly. It's not darkness.

1:57:54Etienne FontanOh, so the sun's kind of just beyond the horizon.

1:57:58BubblemanYeah, it just dips down a bit. There is no horizon. We live on a flat earth. I wanted to talk about that today here on Hash Church, just so everyone could lose all respect for me as a human being. Flat earth.

1:58:12Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, that kills me, dude.

1:58:16BubblemanOh, shit.

1:58:17Dr Mark ScialdoneWait a second. Kansas is flat.

1:58:20Etienne FontanYeah. You think Kansas is flat. Try Texas. Try Nebraska. At least the central part of Texas is at least hill country.

1:58:28SpeakerTry the Netherlands.

1:58:31Etienne FontanThat's below sea level. Uh-oh.

1:58:34BubblemanWhat do you got there, Tony? Is that some bubble hash?

1:58:39SpeakerNo, this isn't bubble hash. This is bubble hash that has been... Converted into a suspension that we were talking about this. Right, right.

1:58:53BubblemanThis is the converted version.

1:58:54SpeakerYes.

1:58:57BubblemanIt looks like a rocky bubble hash.

1:59:00SpeakerRight? Fuck yeah, dude.

1:59:02BubblemanIt looks like it's like melted into a liquid and then re-sort of crystallized or something. Is it really hard like glass?

1:59:14SpeakerOkay. So we can take this little thing. You want to film that? We got some friends in the lab today. This is kind of a Sunday session where it was friends from, who's on the camera? We got Hope. Hope Lord. Hope Lord on the camera. And then we got Alien Labs. We got Gold Drop in the lab.

1:59:33BubblemanWhat if you turn that camera sideways? Would it give us full screen? It might, it might not.

1:59:39SpeakerIt's, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Just wanted to show you when I actually agitate it, This is cold water. This is 6.0 water. I think this was like some weird pH thing. But there's no chemicals in this entire process. And what's nice about it is that it captures everything.

1:59:57Dr Mark ScialdoneAll the things in the hash, they're all chemicals. They're all chemicals.

2:00:03SpeakerHow do you make the pH change in the water, Tony? I didn't. It's just 6.0 pH. Where'd you get the 6.0 pH water at? Because that's going to be acidic water, no matter which way you look at it. 6.0? 6.0 water is acidic to you? Well, 7 is neutral.

2:00:24Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, neutral is 7.

2:00:29Speaker6 is 5. I did it at initial drinking, so it's probably about that. Fiji water is 6.0.

2:00:38BubblemanLet's see here.

2:00:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's because there's minerals in the water. Hold on.

2:00:42BubblemanNow someone's saying Fiji is 7.6. Fiji is a little higher.

2:00:48SpeakerJoe, can you go over to where there's a little pH pen? I think the water was like 6.0 to 7.0, the initial drinking water. There's not special water. Let's put it that way. Okay, well, 7.0 would be, you know, neutral. But 6.0, I asked because you said it was 6.0, and that is slightly acidic.

2:01:07BubblemanIt's acidic enough to break down cannabinoids.

2:01:12SpeakerYeah, usually you need to be at 11 for that. But go to, there should be like a little blue pen. Look in the left of the sink. See that little pH meter?

2:01:25BubblemanHow much did you put in there, Tony? Was that like a half a gram or something?

2:01:28SpeakerYeah, there was a half a gram in there. Damn.

2:01:32Etienne FontanAnd what was the concentrate?

2:01:35SpeakerOh, this is like 10 milligrams, maybe a little more.

2:01:37BubblemanIt was bubble hash, I think he said.

2:01:39SpeakerOf what was the rattle? Of what went in here?

2:01:44BubblemanThe chemovar.

2:01:45SpeakerYes. Yeah, this is, oh, sourdough.

2:01:50SpeakerDid you ask me what it was?

2:01:52BubblemanYes, he did. And you answered, and now we're on the same page.

2:01:56SpeakerAll right, let's see what we got here.

2:01:57BubblemanI feel like we should be listening to Stir It Up while you're stirring that.

2:02:01SpeakerLet's see here. Hold on. So now we need a cup, because this thing won't go all the way in. Use the lid. The lid? Dang technology. Oh, you're talking about the blue lab, right? Yeah.

2:02:21SpeakerThere's no special pH, that's for sure. It's like 8.3. So Fiji and Evian, when I did this, was around 8. So really good alkaline water that you're drinking, artisanal, should be high.

2:02:42Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's base, not acidic.

2:02:45SpeakerThat's base, yeah. Alkaline?

2:02:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYep.

2:02:50SpeakerYeah. Yeah.

2:02:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, which is typical because most carbonates like hardness and water are basic. But if you have a preponderance of carbonic acid, that's actually acidic. So it depends on where you are in the hardness scale. Is this tap water or RO water? That's why when he said… No, this is RO.

2:03:13SpeakerYeah, it's RO water that went through UV sterilization that then went through The little ionic exchanger. So it's probably overkill, but it's just clean water. You know, it's not like... Okay, but that's why when you said the pH was six, that's why I asked how you got to pH six. So it's not pH six, actually. No, it's not pH six.

2:03:34Dr Mark ScialdoneWait a second. He's using one of those funny ionic exchangers. So why are you doing that?

2:03:40SpeakerDoes it separate?

2:03:41Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's just my drinking water in the lab.

2:03:42SpeakerI just like high alkaline water. We all like to have high alkaline water. We fill up our bottles here instead of spending... Right. Tremendous money on Evian every day. We just get lab water that's nice and clean to drink because I'm drinking it. I don't know. I'm in coffee too.

2:03:59BubblemanWhy are you doing that, Tony?

2:04:02Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, no, no, no, no.

2:04:02BubblemanI'm asking just because I'm not trying to give him any shit. No, I know, but I could tell he was kind of a little bit like,

2:04:10Dr Mark ScialdoneHe was there that I asked the question. I'm sorry.

2:04:13BubblemanYou scared him, dude. Don't be scaring Tony. He's here.

2:04:16Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't want to scare Tony. Mark, I'll text him away. I'll text my questions to you. See? Yeah. Oh, my God. God, I can't even ask him a question without him getting all heated up, huh?

2:04:28BubblemanHe just texted me. He said he's never coming back into church again. Oh, man. Fuck Scaldone. Really?

2:04:34Dr Mark ScialdoneNo.

2:04:37BubblemanNo, he got disconnected. He's not even mad.

2:04:39SpeakerYou are so gullible.

2:04:41Etienne FontanI was about to say, stop taking your gullibility pills, doctor.

2:04:45BubblemanListen, when I first, first, first met my wife when she was very, very young, 15 years old, I told her gullibility. The word gullible was not in the dictionary, and she was like, really?

2:04:58SpeakerWhat else did you do when she was 15 years old, Mark? That's dirty, Indra. That's dirty. Just wondering, I... I know in Canada, young marriages are...

2:05:10BubblemanI was 16 years old, so there was nothing creepy going on, if that's what you're wondering.

2:05:14SpeakerLook, I know what 16-year-old boys do with 15-year-old girls. You ain't gonna BS me.

2:05:20BubblemanI was being good. Hey, I'm still with her, so nothing but top respect and love, obviously.

2:05:27Dr Mark ScialdoneClearly. Okay, so let's just recall what we just saw, right? Tony took some bubble hash and was able to dissolve it in water.

2:05:35BubblemanIt wasn't just bubble hash.

2:05:37Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, it was bubble hash that's been treated in a special, cool kind of way. So he's able to treat bubble hash in a special, cool kind of way to make it dissolve in water. It's kissed by unicorns.

2:05:49BubblemanOil and rosin and sift as well, I believe.

2:05:53Dr Mark ScialdoneOil, rosin, and sift. They dissolve it. Essentially, we're arguing over nothing because it's all around neutral. Whether it's about eight or whether it's about six, essentially it's neutral. It's only off by a log of a pH unit. Thank you for joining us.

2:06:28BubblemanYou know, all these terpenes are hydrocarbons themselves. They are.

2:06:31Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. Don't say this on church. Sheldon's going to get heated up, man.

2:06:34BubblemanWell, it's true. And as you should be. But what he's not meaning that what he really means, and he's going to start changing his lingo in the near future, I can assure you, is that it's not made with petrochemical solvents like gases or, you know, chemical solvents that like propane and butane and hexane.

2:06:54SpeakerPropane is organic, Mark.

2:06:57BubblemanWell, whatever.

2:06:58Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, I mean, hydrogen cyanide is organic because it contains a carbon atom.

2:07:04BubblemanSo then there's no way to say what Tony wants to say. There's no way to take it apart. So why don't we just understand that what he's talking about is he's using, there has been no, well, it's impossible to say. I can't even say it because it's not correct.

2:07:23SpeakerThe added chemicals. All I said was.

2:07:25BubblemanIndra, I don't need to hear it. You've said enough. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. I wasn't trying to pick him apart. We just don't want to hear the yelling and the aggression. It's too much. It's a Sunday morning. We need to relax, have bong rips, disagree, no problem. We know what Tony was trying to say. Yeah. We know.

2:07:46SpeakerWell, it was a simple question. How did you get to PH6?

2:07:50BubblemanRight, and you already got answered that, which you kept going on three more times and continued to ask him, well, now I know how you got the PH6 because you didn't have, and he explained to you that it wasn't PH6, so we're well past that.

2:08:04Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, and it's essentially not even part of the real, you know, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:08:37BubblemanI wouldn't be surprised if there was. We know there will be when cannabis is being used because it's full of chemicals. Yeah. How can you make a cannabis extract without chemicals being present?

2:08:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can't.

2:08:54BubblemanIt's impossible.

2:08:56Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, unless you make it in space.

2:09:01BubblemanBut then there's this sort of top layer where people are thinking like, okay, there's the solvent extracts and there's the non-solvent extracts. Even though they're misnomers, it's kind of like the sativa and indica misnomer. We're really like how, I guess, like you said, you say no added chemicals.

2:09:20Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, a solvent really implies solute. So I think when you're dissolving things, the real traditional chemists would say solvent, solute. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:09:58Dr Mark ScialdoneRight.

2:09:58BubblemanIt's hard to get into science to be accurate with anything that you say, you know, because in that sense that a lot of the things that we say are misnomers at best, like solventless.

2:10:14SpeakerYeah, that's a big one, isn't it?

2:10:17BubblemanIt seems to be. I mean, the only solventless I really know about is like maybe mechanical screen separation, but even then it's like the... The rest itself is full of solvents.

2:10:30SpeakerExactly where it came from is people wanted to distance themselves from BHO because there was a lot of people doing the canned stuff and leaving a lot of residue behind in it. So as a way of distancing themselves from it, when they made another kind of an extraction, they called it solventless.

2:10:50BubblemanWell, it was it was really Nickity who popularized solventless and he was using it in Colorado because at the time people thought dabs was only BHO. And so his job was to help educate people that no dabs could also be these other products. And what he was using was water hash, making water hash. And instead of naming it after Mila's Thank you so much for joining us.

2:11:31BubblemanPeople thought dabs was only BHO. And when I showed up with dry sift and wet wash dabs, they were kind of like, what is this? And I'm like, it's dabs. And they're like, oh, not like any dabs I've ever seen. And I'm like, well, you know, now you can widen the term dabs to...

2:11:49SpeakerWelcome back, Daniel. Matt Rice's stuff, amazing. Thank you for watching.

2:12:13BubblemanIt's really the quality of the material more than anything because the process is water hash, it's water and ice, it's gravity, it's screens, and there's nothing that he's doing that's going to make it better because all you can do is make the unveiling as clean as possible and the quality that what you're seeing, that like glass resin, that props goes to the grower and the genetics and the environment that he produced it in or she.

2:12:39BubblemanOoh, someone's smelling some water. Yummy, yummy. Oh, drinking it, going in for the drink. Forget about it. These guys are getting lit.

2:12:47SpeakerWhat's that feel like? It's just good water. Yeah, it's not even like a strong flavor. It's just like I have an essence. I like that. It's more of a smell than even a taste.

2:13:03Etienne FontanIs it flavorless?

2:13:05SpeakerNo, it tastes exactly like the, so this is from Bubble Hatch. Yeah, it tastes like, it blinds your mouth, but like the notes.

2:13:13BubblemanI have a question.

2:13:15SpeakerIt's like, it's refreshing. So what's interesting about this is this is THCA, because we haven't, we haven't decarbed this, and they had a huge fight earlier about decarbing, but I can tell you that when I drink one of these, within 10, 15 minutes, I start to feel. I fell in the water. Before on the last one you just had. Pretty fast. So Tony, Tony, have you evaporated that water to see if you can recollect the hash?

2:13:46SpeakerThat's interesting.

2:13:47BubblemanTony, are you there? Can you hear me, Si?

2:13:49SpeakerYeah. Can you hear me? I was about to say, can you, yeah.

2:13:52Etienne FontanWhat would happen if you dry it out now or see what is actually in the leftover? Well, it should be what I put in it.

2:14:00SpeakerYeah, it should be, exactly. It should be like what we started with. No, as if you were to try it with its activation. I don't know, but what it says is it's a little different than a solubility thing because the water soluble does always turn this around again. Hold on.

2:14:32SpeakerSo it's like a suspension, you know, it's not really, it's not like water soluble. It's like water, but the difference is like some people have those, like the CBD clear drops that have a weird pH and a weird funky taste. This was just like the organic version of trying to create something that naturally came from bubble hash and could capture the terpenes naturally, you know. So basically what you're saying, Tony, is it's not a solution.

2:15:00SpeakerIt's a suspension. Correct. That's the best way to look at it.

2:15:07BubblemanVery nice. Very good.

2:15:08Dr Mark ScialdoneSo a suspension implies that it's a solid suspension. I think that this is more of what I would refer to as a dispersion, which are fine micro sort of phases that are dispersed, and inside the phase is basically where the water-insoluble cannabinoid is. So it's a dispersion.

2:15:35BubblemanWhat did the scientists that developed that concept call it, Tony?

2:15:39SpeakerWould that be called a hydrosol, Mark?

2:15:42Dr Mark ScialdoneNo?

2:15:43SpeakerNothing like hydrosol, huh?

2:15:46Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's a dispersion. It's exactly what it is. A dispersion.

2:15:52BubblemanWell, Tony's finishing it off.

2:15:54SpeakerIt's good. It's good. I thought a dispersion was when you criticized and made fun of somebody. And they hung up?

2:16:09BubblemanNice. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say, Woody Cooper. Now that will smuggle hash and water across borders.

2:16:17SpeakerNow you're getting it. Now you're getting it.

2:16:21BubblemanHe said it, not me.

2:16:25BubblemanSo I need 500 gallons of...

2:16:32BubblemanFrom Jack Frost, Bubble Hash, 73.90 micron, please.

2:16:35SpeakerWell, this serves a couple purposes. I was trying to develop something for something that's going to come out that's more of a dietary supplement drink that's on the Prana line, and I wanted it to be natural. And then there was also something I wanted to do as we gear up for the Bubble Man. Hey, Tony, you could add a little lecithin to it, and that would help any of the oil-based stuff go into solution.

2:17:29SpeakerMuch better. And you blend and it's organic.

2:17:32BubblemanWhat those guys know to keep their voices down in the background, it's the mics picking them all up. They probably, I always like to warn people, not like bitch to them, but like especially private groups of guys having conversations next to the Rosin Press. Sometimes they don't realize they're being recorded for 10,000 people to hear later at a later date.

2:17:57Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so some people are pointing this out in the chat, the difference between a dispersion and emulsion. So I could try to explain this on the chemistry side of things. So an emulsion is something like when you shake up oil and vinegar, and for the second that it creates sort of a continuous sort of creamy one-layer material, The oil droplets are all dispersed throughout the continuous water phase, right?

2:18:25Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd eventually that settles out into an oil and a vinegar layer. So that is a emulsion that's not stable. A dispersion is basically just an emulsion that's stabilized because like milk is a perfect example or butter. Butter is probably a better example because butter is a oil in water immersion. But the thing is, is like, In Tony's product there, you have a very hydrophobic molecule in the cannabinoids, and the cannabinoids don't like to be in water.

2:18:59Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd anyone who's ever cleaned out a bong knows that, or you clean out your rig, you know cannabinoids don't solubilize in water. But dispersant molecules, or what are called surfactants, or like... Indra had mentioned lecithin. There's a lot of different molecules that are used to essentially make creamy Italian, which is where you have a single phase where you have both the water and the oil phase emulsified into a single phase.

2:19:31Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that's what the dispersant does. Dispersant basically just makes a stable dispersion.

2:19:37SpeakerWith milk, it's homogenized.

2:19:41Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, with milk, the point is, is that there's fat in milk and the fat, you know, in cream will actually, you know, separate out, but there's glycolipids and glycoproteins in milk that basically keep the fat particles or keep the fat phases from finding each other because if they start to find each other, they're going to agglomerate and they're going to make a separate phase. That's called butter.

2:20:09Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, so the point is that the dispersants that are in there are keeping those cannabinoids from finding each other. Now, the interesting thing to ask Tony is what's the stability of that? Like if you were to take that and put that on a centrifuge and now you put a centripetal force On those fluid layers, is that enough to actually drive a separation where you'd see the cannabinoids in one layer and the water layer elsewhere?

2:20:39Dr Mark ScialdoneSo you could do that with milk, say, on a centrifuge and actually separate out the fat layer. But I guess, go ahead, Mark.

2:20:47BubblemanWell, I just, all this talk of milk and butter and ice cream, I just want to call it what it is, baby calf growth hormone.

2:20:55Etienne FontanThank you, okay.

2:20:56BubblemanWhich, if you want to grow massive man boobs, you should drink a lot of it, and otherwise, leave it to the cows.

2:21:03Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm just trying to speak an analogy so the lay audience could understand what I'm thinking about, because it could relate to an everyday common item that they see a lot. That's the only reason for making milk. I love milk. It comes in the cutest containers, at least mother's milk does.

2:21:21BubblemanOh, yeah. Mother's milk, I'm down with. I'm just not down with the...

2:21:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, the bovine thing. I get it. Well, ink is another perfect example. Ink is also a dispersion. It's a dispersion of finely ground pigment particles. So the ink that's in all of our printers is basically a dispersion of a fine particle, and they have to stay fine or else they'll clog your inkjet. So they put dispersants and surfactants in there to basically keep those particles from finding each other so they don't agglomerate and make a bigger particle and crash out.

2:22:00Dr Mark ScialdoneSo the question around Tony's formulation there is how stable would it be? If you would have set that out for a week at a time, would it still look the same? Is it stable over a freeze-thaw cycle? Like if you were to freeze the water and then thaw it out again, would it still look the same? So, I mean, these are all kinds of questions that any formulator would look at and look to see.

2:22:29Dr Mark ScialdoneHow stable it is.

2:22:31SpeakerThat's the kind of stuff you end up putting in an opaque bottle or carton so that it doesn't display any of those tendencies.

2:22:40Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, I've seen cannabis products that say shake well and, you know, that doesn't bode well for a soda, right? Cannabis soda that you have to shake well then stand back because it's just going to spray all over the place.

2:22:54SpeakerWell, I made a cannabis seed extract for one of the guys in the chat named Connor, and he brought over the Manitoba. Thank you for joining us.

2:23:36BubblemanYeah, they sell a lot of it.

2:23:39SpeakerYeah, I know. He brought it with him just for an example. And he also brought along a bag of crushed seeds. Nice.

2:23:50Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I wonder if it could be fortified with vitamin E or some other naturally occurring antioxidants to help keep it from going south.

2:24:03SpeakerYou mean the green slime?

2:24:06Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, before it turns into green slime.

2:24:09SpeakerWell, it just looks like green slime when you put it out of the bottle. I mean, it's rare to see something that dark green. Because I remember Mark was telling me about they have an extensive water treatment process where they balance it off of a screen along with water in some kind of million-dollar machine to absorb some of the chlorophyll out of it.

2:24:32BubblemanWell, that's not for oil. That's for protein powder isolate.

2:24:36SpeakerOh, okay. If you press your oil out of shelled seed, then it'll come out a lot nicer color. But yeah, if you press it with the seed, of course, you're getting color from the seed among other things.

2:24:56Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, mostly tannins, right?

2:24:58SpeakerFrom the seed, yeah.

2:25:00Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

2:25:04SpeakerSomebody just said skim milk looks green before they add chemicals to make it white again. I didn't know that. But anyway, you can't add chemicals to the Manitoba Harvards green stuff to make it lighter. It was green and that's the end of that story.

2:25:21BubblemanSpeaking of green, holy shit.

2:25:27SpeakerYeah. My beer.

2:25:32SpeakerLooks like some... We've got... Yeah, we're just preparing here some cookies and cream greenhouse fresh frozen. So this was taken off the plant whole bud in 15 minutes and froze from greenhouse. So we're going to see what some greenhouse fresh frozen does. You've cut... This is fresh frozen from cutting it down, Tony? From greenhouse, yeah. Yeah, let's open one up. So this is going to be the Bubble Man Gold Drop collab.

2:26:03SpeakerThis is actually from the indoor garden. Oh, this is indoor. Even better. Yeah, we got a mix. I was like, yeah, don't fuck with it too much. Let's see what it looks like. Looks like you still got it on the stick there. You took me literally. Yeah, yeah. Grab one quick. Freeze them fast. Yeah, open that up over here. Hold on. Take that. Yeah. And then drop that over here.

2:26:29SpeakerWhat are you going to do with it? Are you going to use what exactly? What are we going to? Don't touch. Oh, my God. Look how fucking beautiful that is. Nice. All right, dude. Looks colorful. That's what we're talking about. Super purple, super frosty. What are you going to make out of it? What do you think I'm going to make out of it?

2:26:51BubblemanI think you're going to make some bubble hash, maybe a little dry sift, some terpenes. Maybe some will go into prana.

2:26:57SpeakerWe're going to. We're going to make a shitload of full melt and basically some of those new non-solvent carts we were talking about.

2:27:12SpeakerNice. So yeah, he's got indoor and greenhouse. And this is like a lot of people don't know Gold Drop actually grows their own too. But for the last year, whatever we've been doing, like the Blue River Gold Drop,

2:27:28SpeakerWe're going to be doing a whole bunch of non-solvent stuff from his grow.

2:27:38BubblemanBeautiful.

2:27:39SpeakerLooks really good. Looks pretty good. Let's see that greenhouse stuff. Yeah, that's really good. That'll work really well.

2:27:49SpeakerYeah, you know, it's only been four years in the making. Finally going to make some full melt.

2:27:56SpeakerLet's see here.

2:28:03SpeakerOh, yeah.

2:28:07SpeakerThese are nice size freezers. Yeah, they go negative 30. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay.

2:28:16SpeakerYeah, I was going to say, it was so cold that it actually started pulling water out of the plant. Right. Negative 30, it's ridiculous. I mean, this is like super cold. You see that separation? All that ice right there? That's how cold your freezer is.

2:28:31BubblemanNice to have the cold freezer.

2:28:33Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Hey, Tony, do you ever sample that ice for terpene content?

2:28:38SpeakerNo, but that's a good idea. Let that melt out or something, you know? It's interesting. You'll be able to wash all that. Probably be milky if it's terpenes. Well, this is going to be good.

2:28:57SpeakerI'm excited.

2:28:58BubblemanYes.

2:29:00SpeakerYou saw some images before that was, I did the little snips of some walk-in, the walk-in process freezer, and some of the machines set up.

2:29:11BubblemanYeah, it froze up halfway through, but I did see you walk in and saw the machines sitting there. It's hard to get good Wi-Fi inside the walk-in.

2:29:20SpeakerYeah, that's an issue. I'm going to have to run a special line in there, which I will do tomorrow.

2:29:27SpeakerBecause we're making a digital bubble man cockpit. We'll just be your robots, bro.

2:29:34Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's the temperature of your freezer there?

2:29:41SpeakerWhat's the temperature of your freezer here? Negative 40. No way. It's negative 30?

2:29:50SpeakerThank you.

2:29:51BubblemanThat's cold. Just in case.

2:29:54SpeakerYeah, let's see here. Hold on. Yeah, I mean, the thing with the water, when you're asking about the water, why I have all that different water situation is because the ice in the water, so this is at negative 20. The ice in the water is, the ice in the water is controlled and then all of the water is kept in, is kept in the, also in the walk-in frostless.

2:30:21SpeakerSo it's not a walk-in freezer. It's a special design room that actually doesn't create frost. See how you have all the frost on the side of here? The walk-in that I have that I kind of glimpsed in has no frost. So it's good for you keep your water in there, you wash in there, you dry in there.

2:30:39Dr Mark ScialdoneIs that been trimmed in any way or is that just whole plant?

2:30:42SpeakerNo. Whole plant cut down fresh.

2:30:45Dr Mark ScialdoneSugar leaf and everything? I mean every fan leaf and everything?

2:30:49SpeakerReally? Wow. It's got sugar leaf. Well, not the big families. They took some of the big families down. But anything that I said had trichomes on it, I want it.

2:30:57Dr Mark ScialdoneSo there's going to be a lot of water content in that as opposed to something that was trimmed and frozen. Yeah, I don't like anything trimmed.

2:31:07SpeakerJust because it's like anytime hands touch the plant or the resin, it's just kind of like imagine we were trying to, I think that's a smart move. Anything that's got trichomes you want to put through your processing. But you're balancing that with bringing a lot of water content through this freezing process, right?

2:31:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYep, yep.

2:31:42SpeakerSo everything's going to keep, so this material stays cold, then it goes in directly into the, it'll go into the room and the washers and all the water, everything's been balanced and UV'd and sterilized and the ice as well. So the melt time, just to give you an idea, we did do, it was kind of interesting, we ran some ice through it and then we literally emptied it, put it in the sink and ran hot water over it and it like took hours for it to melt down.

2:32:10SpeakerSo the... The melt time on the cubes that we're using and the type of water is extremely hard, which for those that want to agitate, I think it's going to help us on our runs. I think we'll be able to get the resin off the plant faster. And I got some other little tricks for not using like paper towels or anything for basically putting the patties in a form that's on a drawing screen that's suspended All right, guys, thanks for tuning in.

2:32:44SpeakerWe'll see you next time.

2:33:12SpeakerOh yeah, so that's the idea of the walk-in. So that's really the key is you want to get the water out as fast as possible.

2:33:21BubblemanYeah, sideways will give us the full screen.

2:33:30SpeakerYeah, so it's a good start.

2:33:34BubblemanYeah, looking forward to washing.

2:33:38SpeakerYeah, you'll be washing digitally. I know, it's going to be the digital washing.

2:33:42BubblemanI can't wait. I'm going to be in the walk-in on an iPad.

2:33:48SpeakerYeah, the two times I tried to do it, I'm like, and then you just like completely freeze up as soon as the door closes every time. So I'm going to have to run a special wire catfire direct into there.

2:34:02BubblemanInto the walk-in, the frostless walk-in with the catfire. That's awesome. 800 people watching, got a schwack load in the chat. They've been talking all morning long. I guess we've been at it almost three hours, two hours and 35 minutes, probably call it a day today at noon. So we got 25 more minutes to cover whatever we need to cover. And then I'm going to head down to the University of British Columbia, UBC on my motorcycle and go see if I can't catch Martin Lee speak about CBD.

2:34:39BubblemanCan cannabis terpenes be used as a solvent to make hash oil? Well, we know that Horatio was doing it with D-limonene, with cannabis. I'm not sure how much actual hash oil he ever made. I'm not sure if he took hash and did the limonene extraction.

2:34:55Dr Mark ScialdoneExtraction with it, yeah, sure.

2:34:56BubblemanYeah, I'm just not sure if he ever did that. I think he was always using buds.

2:35:00Etienne FontanIf you had enough of it, of course.

2:35:02BubblemanYeah, no, no, I know you could. I just don't know if he ever did.

2:35:05Etienne FontanNo, no, no, I understand that.

2:35:07BubblemanBecause they called it hash oil. So I'm always like, to me, hash oil is something that you made oil with using hash as a starting material.

2:35:19BubblemanThat's what I call hash oil.

2:35:25BubblemanNo one wants to disagree with me.

2:35:28SpeakerWell, no, I was going to ask Sam if back in the day when honey oil was around, honey oil, you know, wasn't it just another synonym for, you know, hash oil or wasn't it called hash oil?

2:35:41BubblemanI think they were using...

2:35:42SpeakerIt was thicker and cleaner. And I think one of the primary reasons was because they were making it out of hashish rather than cannabis. It, you know, it had a much lighter golden color. Interesting. It was also thick as hell.

2:36:01BubblemanWell, also, when people learned how to filter through the carbon filters, they could start removing unnecessary colors that were stuck in their oil.

2:36:09SpeakerAnd you could take pretty shitty... That also helps, but you also lose active ingredients. But yes, you can do that. But I think the secret was they might have used activated charcoal or... Just really good hashish. When I first went to hashish, you could buy a kilo for $5. That was just cheap hash, but $5 for a kilo.

2:36:40BubblemanThat was just extremely cheap hash, I think we would call that.

2:36:48BubblemanDamn.

2:36:52Dr Mark ScialdoneHash oil when I was a kid was dark as hell, right? Yeah. It was black. Black oil. Yeah. Almost had like a opium kind of flavor to it. And yeah, when we used the hot knife, it tasted like older, old school hash.

2:37:12Etienne FontanBut it was sticky as hell and got everywhere.

2:37:14Dr Mark ScialdoneSticky as hell? Yeah.

2:37:16BubblemanYeah, when I first met Rob Clark, he came to my house, it must have been like 90s. I mean, I met him in 95, but briefly. He actually, I met him when Hillary brought him to my house and it must have been like maybe 96 or 97. I'd have to look back and try and figure that out. Actually, there's a timeline from the same time at the same house, me, Hillary, and Donnie Wershafter.

2:37:39BubblemanThat's from the same year that Rob came to my house. And for whatever reason, I'm holding a weird Indian hookah pipe in my hand. So weird that I just had that there. But yeah, Rob came. All I had to smoke at the time was Nepali hash oil. And he was like, well, geez, even though I know how they make this, I guess I'll smoke it. And it was, thank God, it wasn't just how they make it, but it was, you know, friends that were making it that were at least trying to make it better than worse.

2:38:12SpeakerA lot of kerosene in the Nepali hashes and the various hashes. They used kerosene a lot as a solvent.

2:38:21Dr Mark ScialdoneDid they blow it off? I mean, it's okay if they're using it as a solvent. If it's completely removed, is it completely removed?

2:38:29BubblemanIf it's not, your eyebrows are completely removed, so you figure it out really quick in the bioassay of the flash burning of the skin off your face.

2:38:37Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I'm talking about if there's PPM residuals in there. I mean, God knows if they're making it in some, you know, little hut somewhere.

2:38:45SpeakerThey make it in a tub in a village, Mark, of course. Don't you remember burning hash on the end of a pin and seeing black smoke come from it?

2:38:54Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, yeah, that was, yeah.

2:38:56SpeakerThat was the fucking kerosene separation happening in real time through combustion.

2:39:01BubblemanMmm, kerosene. Well, thank God. I like to think that our friend had a little bit more knowledge than the local people that were busting it out with kerosene.

2:39:11SpeakerAlso, too, it's little known that Hachashin actually comes as a breakdown product from kerosene.

2:39:18BubblemanRight. Hashacene and kerosene. Key. Key. You know, Sam, for people that are taking notes and don't understand your humor, you have confused them greatly. And I applaud you for that, because why not? Life is insane.

2:39:35Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll try to unconfuse them. Hashacene comes from the thermal and light-mediated degradation of myrcene, not from kerosene.

2:39:46SpeakerWell, I knew it was one of those scenes. It's not a bad scene.

2:39:51BubblemanIt's like an odd scene. One of those chemical scenes, right? No, no, there's no chemicals in this scene. That's right. At least we can laugh at ourselves.

2:40:04SpeakerMan. That's the thing, you know? I just remember choking on kerosene in the olden days. You could taste it in the hash when it came through when they didn't. I don't think they, what they did was made it and the way that it matriculated out was if they didn't sell the hash this year, they sold it next year and probably by then it mostly dried out.

2:40:30Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, you could definitely taste it in cocaine, right? Because I guess when they do the mash in the cocaine recovery process in the plant, they often do that in hydrocarbon like, you know, kerosene and whatnot. I always used to think it used to smell like toluene, but it definitely had a very, you know, gasoline-y kind of essence to it.

2:40:54SpeakerI don't know, but if you throw a bunch of cocoa leaves in the extractor and extract them, you'd be surprised as to what you get out the bottom.

2:41:03BubblemanWell, probably not considering it's an extractor and we all understand what cocaine is from cocaine leaves. I would suspect it would be like a cocaine-like product, some type of crystalline fucking extract that you would get.

2:41:16Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, it's not crystalline, right? Because it's freebase, right? Just powder? It's freebase.

2:41:21SpeakerIt doesn't take much to urge it over into crystalline form though.

2:41:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, hydrochloric acid is what it takes. Yeah.

2:41:30BubblemanYeah, light spray. We do it with just water. Oh, we do it with just water. That's our new thing.

2:41:42SpeakerYou're talking about alkaline water though, right? pH corrected water.

2:41:49BubblemanI'm talking about no chemicals added.

2:41:54SpeakerYeah, I don't like to think of water as a chemical, but I definitely understand in the definition of chemistry, it's a chemical.

2:42:00BubblemanIt's the universal solvent.

2:42:03SpeakerYeah, it's the universal solvent. But what I mean by no chemical is that meaning no other... Solvents besides water or chemicals used.

2:42:12Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. Nothing out of a big four-liter jug that you have to take the wrapping off of.

2:42:17BubblemanNo chemicals added.

2:42:19SpeakerWell, and then I'm also in California. It's a type six, which means it's a non-volatile lab, which means you can't have any volatiles in it. Even in Colorado, they come down on people that are using 99% ISO in the lab, so fire departments and If you're a non-volatile, if you're non-volatile, now they have type 7, which is volatile, but I'm not in that. That's not like the license category of which I would be in.

2:42:47SpeakerRight. They just came out with the rules, and they definitely are okay with butane extraction. 100%. And that's where I'm at. Where Goldrop is at, he's a type 7, and I'm a type 6.

2:43:03Dr Mark ScialdoneBut ISO is an issue? Did you say, did I hear this right? Yeah.

2:43:08SpeakerYeah, they were coming down on people in Colorado for just having ISO in a water hash lab.

2:43:13Dr Mark ScialdoneAt what volume, Tony, do you know? Like, is there a volume?

2:43:18SpeakerYou know, that's a good question. I just had heard it through somebody.

2:43:21Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause I could go to the fucking drugstore and go buy a couple bottles of 90% isopropyl alcohol and You know, how can they regulate isopropyl alcohol at a lab? That's weird.

2:43:34SpeakerLook, in Northern California, every store you go into during harvest time has pallets of 99% isopropyl alcohol, thousands of packs of scissors and gloves everywhere in the store.

2:43:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's probably for cleaning though, John, like more for cleaning. I mean, I think what we're talking about here is extracting. But you're bringing up a good point, which is that Isopropyl alcohol is a ubiquitous laboratory supply. It's just weird that they would try to regulate that in Colorado.

2:44:07SpeakerThat's what I heard. I don't know the validity, but it was somebody that was still washing in Colorado, and he said that he's like, yeah, we had, I don't know, it was the fire department or somebody was giving him shit, but they're always looking for something in Colorado.

2:44:25Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, he probably had like big fucking drums.

2:44:28SpeakerHe probably had gallon or drums. Right.

2:44:30Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it's probably a volume restriction because, again, you could buy isopropyl alcohol at a drugstore. I mean, you could just totally load up on it. So I don't know how they can keep that out of a lab. And like John was saying, I think the real big use for it is for cleaning your hands, cleaning scissors, cleaning shit that gets all sticky from touching.

2:44:51SpeakerYeah.

2:44:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

2:44:53SpeakerWell, there's a bunch of people who, like at a big grow, they started noticing that at the end of the day, after you've cleaned 50 pairs of scissors, that there's something in the bottom of the alcohol jar that looks yellow and golden. And when they dried it out, wow.

2:45:13Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I would just take a little bit of alcohol on the end of like a towel or a wipe and then just wipe off my hands and throw it in the trash. I mean, I'm just saying that when you're handling shit all the time in the lab, you need some way of defuncifying or when you have that sticky shit everywhere, isopropyl alcohol is a safe common solvent that's used to de-stickify all your shit, right?

2:45:42SpeakerYeah, but as somebody just pointed out in the chat, if you use isopropyl alcohol to clean your stuff and your equipment, you're no longer solventless. Oh, damn it.

2:45:51Etienne FontanFuck. Hey, I'd like to interrupt for a moment to congratulate the French for electing Macron by a landslide of 65%. He's also pro-cannabis, so hopefully we'll see some change in France. Le Pen got her ass handed to her.

2:46:08BubblemanHe was pro-cannabis before the election.

2:46:12SpeakerLet's see what he has now.

2:46:13BubblemanHe's just released the statement. I'll read it now. I'm going to be going after all cannabis users harder than France ever has in the history of France.

2:46:21SpeakerI'm just joking, but fuck if it doesn't happen like that too often. Sacre bleu. Well, listen to our president. I don't know if you guys talked about that, but Congress said, okay, you're going to get zero money to go after the war on drugs as far as states that have passed cannabis laws, especially medical. Todd mentioned that, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then he comes out. He ran on states' rights, hands off, all this shit.

2:46:48SpeakerThen he says, well, we're going to figure out how to raise the money anyway because we still want to go after it. It's like, listen to the people. You know, the people have voted. The people have spoken in each state. It's like, that is your job. You don't get to just, you know, like if it's, imagine if Trump was like the judge of a cannabis competition and he didn't like the top 10.

2:47:07SpeakerHe'd just be like, well, you know, I'm just going to change it around. It's like, they'd be saying fake buds. Fake terms, fake buds. Yeah.

2:47:26BubblemanYeah, exactly. Flippity floppity as Guild Extract says in the chat. They flip, they flop. It's like a fish out of water. They just can't help themselves.

2:47:37SpeakerBut hopefully... I think, though, in all honesty, greed is going to do them all in because the numbers coming out of all these legal states make them all droll. And that's the reality. I mean, if they tax us, they'll make way more money off us than they ever did policing us, locking us up, and fucking jacking us for our stuff.

2:47:57BubblemanThey just don't know how consistent our puffing is.

2:48:00Etienne FontanNo, our consistent puffing has made it to the point where we... We outnumber, I mean, coal jobs, we outnumber two to one in the cannabis industry now. So the great American coal industry that used to be so touted for its numbers is now pales in comparison to what the cannabis producers are starting to do. And this is just with the current, with other regulations coming on board, it's just in other states coming on board, it's going to Thank you for watching.

2:48:45SpeakerYou know, it'll be 100%. Let's go for it. So somehow we've got to get to that last 28% because buried deep within that group are a bunch of regulators and assholes who, you know, who don't smoke. They smoke Kools, Salem's and cigars. They drink whiskey. You know, so they don't want to hear about it, and they probably have money in the whiskey and pharmaceutical index, and so they don't want to hear about it doubly.

2:49:15SpeakerThe pharmaceutical people put a lot of money towards short-stringing us on all of this, and they really downplay the stories where people got off of this or got off of that by using cannabis. The pharmaceutical industry is actually starting to put out ads They're trying to reverse that trend and they're giving money to people who make ads to come up with that kind of stuff. They're trying to get back to the point in time where they showed a frying pan, popped an egg in it and said this is drugs, this is your brain on drugs.

2:49:50SpeakerAny questions? Can I add to that too? You know, pushing back this really restrictive healthcare in America where pre-existing conditions will find it hard to get You know, treatment is going to push more people towards what a lot of us have experienced, which is our own path of holistic healing and turning to cannabis as, you know, what was once an alternative, you know, now is becoming more and more an actual solution to many actual medical conditions.

2:50:19SpeakerThe more we experiment with it, the more we learn about it. So in one way, they... Taking healthcare away from some of the ones that are suffering the most, which are pre-existing conditions and low-income patients, they are actually creating a group of medical marijuana patients that are going to be demanding their rights even stronger and louder than ever before.

2:50:45BubblemanLet's hope France has definitely been one of those countries that have been Pushed down in regards to the sort of fascist way they've looked at cannabis. I couldn't believe the first time I went there in the 80s and it was like you could not have even then a little cannabis pin.

2:51:05Etienne FontanSo goes France, so goes Europe. You know, that's the reality. So if you start to see that, you'll see a ripple without a doubt. So hopefully, I mean, he's what, the youngest prime minister of France?

2:51:21SpeakerBut, you know, for those of us that have been visiting Europe for the past 25 years, it has changed immensely in other countries. It used to just be Amsterdam, but now, you know, Spain and Italy and, you know, even France have driven through France multiple times. I mean, it's changed quite a bit.

2:51:37Etienne FontanGermany has been in the 90s.

2:51:41SpeakerYeah, Germany is a great example. I mean, absolutely true, you know, although I remember when somebody got chased out of the hemp biofoc for displaying hemp plants at the hemp symposium. So they were freaking out back in 1995 trying to figure out what they were going to allow and what they were, you know, who's afraid of a flower was really the funniest conversation of that whole, I'd say, expo.

2:52:08BubblemanWell, that's the potency of propaganda and it can be done to an idea or to something as simple as a flower.

2:52:17SpeakerWell, it's funny when it's just a little living plant, you know, a two-foot high hemp plant that's not harming anybody. It's just a little hemp plant, and they were freaking out over it, and it was honestly very amusing, and, you know, and I don't know, you know, it's like that's when the perspective, I think, that's when the pink elephant's really in the room, because when The cute little plants in front of you and suddenly realize all of this hysteria has been over an actual flower.

2:52:45SpeakerIt seems like really asinine.

2:52:48BubblemanWell, I think one of the times Mark went to jail was for passing a joint. Just like a joint. He just passed a joint. Bam. He was in jail in Saskatchewan. It was like, what? That's crazy.

2:53:03SpeakerIt's like, I thought selling seeds was ridiculous. He should have bogarted it.

2:53:09BubblemanYeah. That's one of those times, you know, where that song doesn't apply. You're right. You're right. Don't Bogart that joint. Could have been changed to, you know, maybe Bogart the joint. Felony charges are a bitch. You won't be able to go down to the US, et cetera, et cetera. He could have probably made a song out of it. I don't know.

2:53:31BubblemanMaybe Mark will rewrite that song. For the Prohibition State. If you live in Oklahoma, you best Bogart that joint.

2:53:42SpeakerThat's funny. We should see about getting and doing a grow show seeing it's spring because this is going to be such a huge season for California considering they're, you know, 90% of their rain, their water capacity, and for the first time in, you know, over 100 years, cannabis is legal again. In this state.

2:54:04BubblemanMaybe we could invite a bunch of great panelists to join us and have a little bit of a flow because at Grow Show, we could really invite a lot of different people, let them all come in and share their two cents or even if it's just one great tip for spring planting or whatever.

2:54:22SpeakerI think it's going to be a bountiful season. I cannot honestly wait to see what everybody does. I hope everybody takes advantage of their rights. And even if you're not growing commercially, grow some cannabis just for the fun of it. Just for the sake of having a plant on your patio in the name of freedom, just plant a seed. Do it.

2:54:45Etienne FontanRemember, you can grow six per adult and you can gift up to an ounce.

2:54:51SpeakerRight, throw it and give it away. There you go.

2:54:54BubblemanPlant your seeds, everybody.

2:54:59BubblemanPlant your seeds. Well, listen, I do thank everyone for showing up today for Hash Church. I'm going to head off to the university here and check out a few speakers. Plus, I speak today. Holy shit, I almost forgot about that. I do a little extraction panel with a couple other people. I think Alison Drazen is actually moderating it.

2:55:16SpeakerIf I do, maybe I'm wrong, I can't remember.

2:55:18BubblemanEither way, thanks everyone for coming out for Hash Church 137, all of those that have been watching, and of course, Etienne, Skunk Man, Sam, Indra, Dr. Mark Scaldone, Todd McCormick, D420K who came and left, Tony Verzura for sharing a little bit of the lab with us, and anyone else that I may have forgotten that was in earlier that left, I can't remember.

2:55:43SpeakerTodd, no hard feelings. I didn't mean anything bad by that. I just get lit up sometimes. None taken. I'm fine. All good, John. Part of the discourse. Sweet of you to say. Hope you all have a great weekend too. I enjoyed doing the panel with you. Even if I don't always agree or if I'm laughing, I still have a great time intellectually interacting with you. I agree with you, Todd.

2:56:09SpeakerI think it's real suspicious Indra has a vacuum oven. How dare he? You guys are fucking awesome.

2:56:17BubblemanPeace out, everybody.

2:56:19SpeakerYou should see my molecular still. You say that to all the girls. You should see my molecular stilt.

2:56:29BubblemanPeace out, Tony.