Sharing Cultivars and Ethical Cannabis Use

0:02BubblemanHey everybody and welcome to Hash Church episode 131. I'm here on the Sunshine Coast today for Hash Church, beautiful British Columbia. I'm going to be sending out the links here in a second. I just want to make sure I can mute, mute, mute, mute. Start streaming live here. Here we go. There's the mute button. Excellent. All right. Send out the links to the crew, i.e. the panelists.

0:31BubblemanWe've got no shortage of them. Boom to them. Bet you will see some people in real quick now. And boom to them. And all right. Hope everyone's doing good. Beautiful, beautiful day here in British Columbia. Happy to be back from the Dominican Republic. I was gone for eight days there, of course. I didn't puff for eight whole days, which was very... Talk about that a little bit today once some of the panelists get into the room.

0:58BubblemanI'm going to see if that link is working because I see ATN has popped into the room. Hey, how's that for a shirt? Hey, nice shirt, buddy. Dude, that's awesome.

1:15Etienne FontanYep, same shirt. That's awesome. Happy Hash Church. Good to have you back, buddy.

1:23BubblemanYeah, thank you, dude. All right, look at this. We got Skunk Man. We got Indra. We got Johnny B in the house. Welcome, Indra. Welcome, Johnny B.

1:34Etienne FontanHow we doing? Welcome, Skunk Man. Good to have y'all.

1:38Skunk ManHey, ATN.

1:39BubblemanI didn't realize that a couple… Oh, you got to turn off the YouTube video so we can get some better sound coming in there. I can hear myself.

1:57SpeakerOkay, got it. Can you hear yourself? Yes. What's up, Johnny B?

2:03BubblemanI can't see you. Oh, there you are. No, I can't. No, I can't. This guy. There he is.

2:12SpeakerFantastic week in the Dominican for you. And you know what? Even my dad was commenting on how great it was to hear how you didn't smoke and how you were able to. Most people think that cannabis is addictive. And when people like ourselves who are heavy, heavy players go a week without smoking, we're like, yeah. Great to hear, man. Yeah, it wasn't a problem. Of course not.

2:37SpeakerIt was not a problem. Non-addictive drugs. That's what everybody's got to really understand, that cannabis is non-addictive, and it's one of the best medicines on the planet. Anyways, I'm going to do a bond work to that. I agree.

2:52BubblemanNice, you know. Eight days off. I just, as I puffed for the first time over at my buddy's house, actually out of this completely ridiculous piece here. For those of you that have seen the new Metal Sphere Joe Peters collab with SPATX. This is quite a bit today on church. We've got some Joe P bees inside the perk and Drippy goodness, so pretty stoked on this little guy.

3:24Etienne FontanThat looks sick. Joe P does some great stuff. I just got a Joe P by Mueller collab myself.

3:31BubblemanThere's my little Joe P. Nice. Yeah, Joe P. He's killing it these days. Absolutely.

3:38Skunk ManSo yeah, this is... You can definitely see the same drip. Looks like a spaceship from Mars. Oh, yeah.

3:47BubblemanIt is a spaceship from Mars, actually.

3:52BubblemanLittle bumblebees inside the beehive perk.

3:57Skunk ManCrazy.

3:58BubblemanYeah.

4:01SpeakerWhat's really cool is...

4:04BubblemanHitting that for the first time in eight days, I got to hit some of Concentrated X's strawberry banana full melt and man, what a nice vibe. You know, definitely wasn't uncomfortable, didn't get overly baked. I guess my tolerance didn't go down maybe as low as it would have had I taken off a month or six weeks. But it is funny, people that don't smoke cannabis, how happy they are when you take a break.

4:28BubblemanThey just seem to be ecstatic about it and I'm not quite sure where the connection is, but... I'm happy to be back, actually. I'm going to have a little rip of this Seedsman Hayes Sweet Skunk Rosin collaboration here out of this Joe P. So, I guess, mother lovers, as D420K would say.

4:50Skunk ManWell, you know what Woody Harrelson said about it? It made him emotionally unavailable, kind of like Dr. Mark.

4:58Skunk ManThat's...

5:00Etienne FontanHi, Doc. You were a bit aggressive last week, man. You were asking, does that distillate man make you aggro? What the hell, bro?

5:07SpeakerI think I was just in a different time zone.

5:15BubblemanThat can happen sometimes. That can happen sometimes, Mark.

5:18Etienne FontanI didn't catch it, but I heard. I heard. And the food poisoning and all that. Trust me, it's no fun. When I originally traveled to... Spanibus, back in 2010, I got food poisoning there, and I know when you're traveling, it is absolutely discombobulating having that sort of situation when you're not at home and not accessing whatever you usually utilize. So I feel you there, Mark. I'm feeling better this week.

5:43SpeakerWell, plus she blamed fat white guys for something. I forget what, right? Prohibition or something like that? We were talking about the word. So yeah, she blamed fat white guys, and she forgot that she was talking to a fat white guy. Did she generalize you? Yeah, well, I'm fat and I'm white. I don't know what to say, man. It's like, you know, I don't know. It caught me at a rare moment.

6:10SpeakerAnd yeah, I mean, maybe it was the concentrates. Perhaps, yeah. I needed, like, because remember when I dabbed Andrew's oil, it seemed like I was about to fall asleep. So somewhere between Northern California and Southern California, I need to hit the right balance. Yes, that's what I jokingly called it. It was definitely what he was talking about, though, because I don't know a single other fat white guy.

6:46BubblemanOh, shit. That's funny.

6:49Etienne FontanI can resemble that remark at times, but I'm losing weight at the moment. But I still look like a fat white guy if you just looked at me. And I'm okay with it.

6:58BubblemanSo we're going to have Forest Lee come in today again and share some more information with us. I guess, well, from House of Laughter, they were both in a couple of weeks ago talking about Harlequin and talking about Silas' story. Pretty, pretty, pretty good guests. I enjoyed having them on. So I invited them back again today and we should be able to get into a nice little We'll have a conversation with those guys in the upcoming hour or so, and make sure that Todd McCormick got that link, because I still do not see him in the room.

7:33BubblemanAnd that's rare, don't you guys think?

7:37SpeakerTodd's normally like the first one in. Yeah, Todd's been in. I know Etch is the first one. It is.

7:43Etienne FontanBy me or Todd or Mark or... Pat and I went to see Pat Oswald last night, so maybe he had a later night than myself. But we saw him in San Francisco and fucking hysterical. I was in tears multiple times. The guy, you know, he lost his wife just about a year ago and he talked about that, but his humor is just on point. So it was great.

8:08Etienne FontanI had a great time. It was a double date. We both took our girls out. We went out to this nice vegetarian restaurant in San Francisco and then we went to this show and had a blast. So we didn't get into like midnight or so.

8:21BubblemanNice, yeah, I myself enjoyed some comedy last night. We watched the two Chappelle stand-ups, which, wow, really great stuff. Definitely won't, I love the fact that he takes people in forces and, you know, removes this sort of fear of missing out. And it's like, no, no, you're here. You're the lucky ones, but you're not allowed to film it. Take selfies. Thank you for watching.

9:03BubblemanReally does change it. So luckily, because the way he did it, I had not seen or heard a single joke from his show. And I really, really, really enjoyed both of them. They were, I mean, he had me in stitches, holding my stomach, laughing most of those shows. Guy's talented.

9:29BubblemanLong awkward pause.

9:31Etienne FontanSo what did you do with the family there in the Dominican Republic?

9:39BubblemanWell, the Dominican Republic was pretty chill. We did a lot of beach and a lot of pool stuff that I don't usually do. But I did a little adventure where we rented these like a golf cart for the wife and the young son and then rented segways with big four-wheel drive tires for the two older kids. And they just, yeah, we cruised down this sort of on the Caribbean side of the island, which we were staying on the island.

10:06BubblemanThe other side. And then there's a nice real trail that you can take the golf cart on. It's kind of almost golf course-esque, but it's not a golf course. It was a huge property that I guess someone lost their shit, lost their shirt and went bankrupt. And so it was all, you know, abandoned. But you could still cruise through and see the beautiful views, go through the jungle and see these giant, huge iguanas.

10:31BubblemanIt was fun. It was good fun with the family and always good to... Always good. Most of the reason that, I mean, most of the family men that I associate with and I know, the focus is definitely to spend as much time with the family. Yet there's this dichotomy that gets produced in trying to produce more, trying to create and produce more that ends up away from your family more.

10:59BubblemanSo it's strange. It's definitely strange.

11:07BubblemanWhat's really going on in chat room here? Is everyone else in here right now? There we go. There we go. It seems like everyone's frozen to me and I have a pretty straight now.

11:22Etienne FontanYou're coming semi-choppy. You come through smooth and then you get a slight skip every once in a while, but for the most part, you've been solid.

11:28BubblemanYeah, that's weird. What the fuck? I wonder if it's the speed of the memory in this computer that I need to bump up.

11:42Skunk ManMaybe try buying a newer computer than the 1984 one.

11:48SpeakerThis is a 2016. Oh. My computer is eight years old and I don't have any problem.

12:00SpeakerIt's just a laptop.

12:03Skunk ManYou're just trying to make him feel bad.

12:07BubblemanWell, you know what? I'll pull back a little bit if I'm laggy like that because I hate to lag out the show.

12:18Skunk ManWell, I don't think you need to pull back, dude. You know, it's not that bad.

12:25SpeakerNo, you're not lagging hardly at all this time. I mean, there's been times when you do a lot, but this time it's almost right.

12:35Etienne FontanYeah, it's just a slight. It's nowhere near what it's been, trust me.

12:39Skunk ManIt just sounds like a special effect.

12:49SpeakerIt's got to be the memory.

12:52BubblemanIt's got to be the memory. I'm on a killer internet right now. It's like down to 40 megs per second. Upload was like 100. So it's not the Wi-Fi.

13:03Skunk ManWell, it's not so much an echo. It's like watching a kung fu movie. Your lips move and then the voice comes out.

13:12Skunk ManSo it's kind of humorous, but it's not so echoey, but sometimes when you're just sitting there quiet, you're talking, which is kind of... Not only that, Marcus, but you have a Chinese accent also.

13:23Etienne FontanOh, see, I was hearing it in Chinese too. I thought it was me. I thought I was crazy.

13:30Skunk ManOh, wait, I am. Probably your headphones, dude.

13:35Etienne FontanShouldn't get these headphones that are made in China. I should have known. Oh.

13:41Etienne FontanSo, Dr. Scaldown, what's going on in Pennsylvania there? I've heard some rumors that things are moving along. What's the pace so far?

13:52SpeakerOn last Monday, the applications were due, and this was for processing and cultivating and dispensaries, and they divvied up the state into six different states. Sort of geographic zones. And yeah, I mean, they had a lot of people come in from out of state. I thought the number that they were estimating, I don't know where they got this number from, was 800 different groups were going to apply in these six different regions.

14:26SpeakerAnd yeah, I mean, it's a good bill. It's all no flour, so it's all oil. So that's interesting. But they also approved 550, I think that's the current count, of patients to have what's called a safe harbor letter. Pennsylvania we're talking about here, Mark. So safe harbor is a letter that patients can present to authorities, kind of like what Johnny was showing, to say that they're legally authorized to have I can't miss with them, especially if they're going through airports or, you know, if they're pulled over or something like that, or if some type of search shows that they have cannabis on them, there's a letter that's provided with the governor's signature through the Department of Health that basically says that they're okay to have that, that material with them.

15:28SpeakerSo that's kind of cool.

15:30Skunk ManYou have to have a note from your mom too.

15:36SpeakerYeah, yeah. Does Penn.org give a sign off as well? Did they announce that it's only oil, did you say? I'm sorry, well, the processing piece here is all going to be processed into oil. There's going to be no flour sales. However, I do believe that the Safe Harbor letter allows them to have Thank you for joining us.

16:35Etienne FontanWell, I know any sodas and stuff like that that were made in Pennsylvania that all had an LTP or anything that went through there had an LTP stamp on it for the LTP tax that's paid to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

16:50SpeakerYeah, they had a fucked up sugar tax on big beverages. Yeah, the beverage industry was heavily against that idea. Yeah, I don't know what the concept is there. I think some of that money is supposed to be brought back to community to help fight the obesity problem somehow. I don't know. It's like a user tax. I don't know. It would be like, you know, taxing people who eat, you know, fat and hot dogs and stuff like that.

17:17SpeakerI don't know. Hey, Walt.

17:21BubblemanForrest.

17:23SpeakerHey, thanks. Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. How are you? Doing good for us. Very well.

17:30BubblemanMark was just telling us a little bit about what's going on out in Pennsylvania.

17:36SpeakerYeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah.

17:39Etienne FontanSo no permits in Pennsylvania at this time. They're still working on that at the state level, correct?

17:44SpeakerYeah. Applications were turned in this past... Thank you for joining us.

18:17BubblemanI'm going to try downstairs into another computer, so I'll let you guys just talk for a little bit. It shouldn't take me much more than five minutes to see if I can't get into a faster connection so I'm less laggy.

18:32Etienne FontanOkay, I'll go in and give Forrest an interview here minorly. So Forrest, what's your background and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into cannabis.

18:42SpeakerYeah, good morning. Thanks for having me back here. Well, my background is that, you know, besides the Typical inner relationship with cannabis that comes with being a musician for the first half of my life. I really got into cannabis science when my son at about three years old was diagnosed with Lennox-Gastaut syndrome, which is a rare form of epilepsy that is progressive and degenerative and Relentless and ruthless and all those horrible things that you see when you get into rare epilepsy where we had a healthy kid and then within within a year he was having thousands of seizures a month so from perfectly healthy to life in jeopardy so like a lot of people that kind of motivates you to start studying and researching and figuring things out when your doctor tells you that there's no other option so that's really what got me into a Really intense studying of cannabis.

19:45SpeakerWent out and started speaking with, you know, All the doctors that could give me the best information, Ethan Russo, speaking with some of the universities in Israel to get the sciences that was coming out to the best that I could. I just really tried to become an expert, quote unquote, as much as I could on the endocannabinoid system and as much as we knew about the relationship of the phytocannabinoids and terpenes and flavonoids and cannabis that Thank you so much for joining us.

20:25SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

20:50SpeakerThank you for joining us.

21:12SpeakerSo we got really medically active and then started running campaigns to educate and essentially call out the ideologists who have all these outdated bad science information that they use to validate banning cannabis and really started talking to Politicians and parents from another parent and kind of really getting in your face about it, about the risks of holding on to these, you know, outdated thoughts and beliefs about cannabis.

21:47SpeakerYou know, the reefer madness rhetoric just wasn't funny anymore once I saw that my kid's life depended on it. So that just spiraled into more and more advocacy for not just ourselves, but of course other parents come out of the woodwork. And what we really saw was that, you know, In my opinion, cannabis has the moral and ethical high ground as far as the argument for what is needed in our communities.

22:17SpeakerAnd what I noticed was there's just a lack of people who could articulate it in a way that I thought really got the message across. So as I did that more and more, I started giving talks and lectures, just trying to educate my community on the endocannabinoid system. We had more and more families come out looking for support, and I started hearing more and more stories of, A couple things.

22:39SpeakerEither we had families with kids that we know who were given products that weren't really therapeutically beneficial, and then they eventually gave up on cannabis, and some of those kids eventually died. And so I saw a real problem with the education level as far as real cannabis medicine and therapeutic approaches. Thank you for joining us today.

23:31SpeakerAnd that's what's led me to where I am today, which is a lot of advocacy. We started a nonprofit that does free education services to families who are just coming into the cannabis world completely 100% cannabis naive because we found they're just ripe to being taken advantage of by some entrepreneurs. There's a lot of good ones out there. We all know that, but we also know there's a lot of other ones who might not be as good, might not be as educated on what they're doing and are just looking to Make a niche in the business and unfortunately they do that by convincing folks that what they have is magic and it's all they need without really understanding some of the sensitive needs of some rare diseases and things out there.

24:14SpeakerSo that's what's kind of got me out here today and with the Collagics Network, our network, we do those educational services for families as well as when we can, we donate medicine and therapies Thank you so much for joining us today.

24:59SpeakerYou know, he was at his peak having 2,500 seizures a month. And we've dropped that by 90%. But, you know, 10% of 2,500 is still 250 seizures. So, too many. And that's where, you know, just struggling and fighting really hard to get that last 10% down.

25:20SpeakerAll things considered, this was a child who we didn't think was going to live through the year in 2015, to be blunt, and now he's managed. It's in a state where although it's not where I would like it to be, which is zero, he's functioning and having as much of a normal life as he can. We try to stay grateful for those things.

25:46BubblemanWell, we're glad to have you back. I think I'm back now, finally. I think I'm on choppy. I sound okay? Yeah, it sounds great. I'm going to have to upgrade the RAM on my laptop. It's just not pushing enough RAM. Yes, so I think we also sent out the link to Wade. I sent out the link to quite a few people today, but I'm taking up two spots in the room.

26:13BubblemanI'm worried that if I close my original spot, it will stop the broadcast, although I am signed in as an admin on this one, and it does have the red button that says stop broadcast. What do you guys think? Should I close that other one up?

26:25SpeakerDo it up. I think it makes sense. Let's gamble, throw it out there. If not, we'll see you guys all in five minutes.

26:31BubblemanYeah, we're going to have to restart the whole thing. So, all right, yeah, I'll try to shut that one up here.

26:37SpeakerCome on, do it, Marcus. Let's do it.

26:39BubblemanEverybody do a bong rip at the same time. All right, give me a second.

26:41Etienne FontanI'll do it right now. All right, bong drip.

26:47Skunk ManBong rip.

26:51Skunk ManYeah, Mark, you're just sitting there. You're not doing a bong rip, Dr. Scaldone. Come on. What's up, man?

26:58SpeakerI'm contemplating a bong rip. How about this dosa?

27:06SpeakerWhat's with all these pipes you're pulling up from all around? Are you like surrounded by glass right now? How about this? I got this one right here.

27:13Etienne FontanDude, fat dosa too, man. Dude. Show us the bottom on that, baby. It's got to have a fat little bottom. Let me just take this little directional.

27:24BubblemanClear. Clean.

27:28SpeakerHere we go. Beautiful little orange booty there. I got some... I love my down pipe.

27:36SpeakerSick recycler. And Indra, that picture you keep showing, is that a one-hitter or a two-hitter?

27:45Skunk ManThat's a one-hitter for a real man.

27:52Etienne FontanReal big man.

27:55Etienne FontanWith real big lungs.

27:58Skunk ManDude, you don't, you don't, you just get in it. See?

28:03Etienne FontanThat's a one-hitter for Andre the Giant, isn't it?

28:05SpeakerIt's kind of like the frozen tombs from thousands of years where they used to put their head underneath a tent and inhale cannabis fumes from flowers smoking in an incense.

28:20BubblemanWould that have been the Scythians?

28:23SpeakerYes, it was the Synthians.

28:25Etienne FontanNot only that, they also found a young mother giving birth in a small Synthian tube that also had lots of burning cannabis. And they found her inside of it.

28:38SpeakerIt's been found a few times. That's absolutely correct. I think the first one was the Peseric tube. Thank you so much for joining us today.

29:17BubblemanI feel blessed and honored that I was able to literally go from like the 8 megabit RAM on my little laptop and had me coming through like I was a robot and then walk downstairs to the Mac Pro with the 32 gigs of RAM and now I can just be heard and I'm not choppy and that's, I am really grateful for that right now.

29:37Skunk ManBut if you ever want to make it comfortable, that other computer is definitely the one to use. That's the one. Because I've never seen a better Kung Fu separation of words and lip movement in my life.

29:51BubblemanI'll have to go back and watch that. Thank God it was recorded.

29:56BubblemanAnd so, you know, Forrest, since last time you were here, you have inspired much of the Hash Church panel to go and purchase microphones.

30:06SpeakerI like it. The blue one. Yeah, I've been eyeballing that baby myself.

30:09BubblemanYeah. Got a couple of Yetis. I think Todd ended up getting a Yeti, as did D420K and Etienne. All right.

30:19SpeakerI'll have to let Blue give a sponsorship.

30:24BubblemanYeah, yeah, exactly. You should have been like, listen, we all told them, Boris sent us. I was surprised that they were available at my local Best Buy, which really kind of surprised me.

30:35SpeakerYeah, I'm picking up one of those Yetis soon for our Around the Table podcast we're going to start doing.

30:40BubblemanOh, yeah.

30:41SpeakerUp here in Northern California, get some folks around the table to set that thing in the middle and just start getting those things recorded. Yeah, those are great. I thought you guys sounded a little better today. I didn't get earphones, but I did get a microphone.

31:00BubblemanNice. Very nice. Sam with the mic. With a built-in delay or...

31:07SpeakerIt's just so I can sit at my chair and turn the mic on and off, really.

31:13BubblemanBrilliant move, Sam. It is a brilliant move. I think Todd was mentioning that just a couple weeks ago to me. Literally. We need to get Sam a mic that has a long cable that goes all the way to his DAB station. The DAB station. Wow. Well, it's a great Sunday afternoon. Sunday morning, really. Sunday morning, really, I guess, unless you're on the East Coast or in Europe or in most of the rest of the world.

31:47Etienne FontanSo, Will, would you tell everybody a little bit about yourself for those who are watching and may not know who you are? That's Wade. Wade. Pardon me. Give an update.

32:00Skunk ManThat proves that not a lot of people will know who he is, Bart, huh?

32:07SpeakerLet's see. I, among other things, am the person who identified and propagated to such an extent the cultivar known as harlequin. That was back in 2007, 2008 when I first found the plant and I've never tried to take credit for breeding it. I was gifted the seeds but I was I am the person responsible for recognizing the potential in that plant and making sure as many people as possible had a copy of it.

32:43SpeakerAnd since then, I've had the opportunity to work with a number of patients, a number of clinicians, and a number of dispensaries in not just getting plant material like Harlequin out there into the world, but have been working pretty strong and steady on trying to find new versions of cannabis that have therapeutic properties in addition to the ones that Harlequin has revealed. Wade embodies the attitude of free the weed and what's best for the society as opposed to what's best for himself, and I see that constantly, and I think Harlequin's a great example of that.

33:27SpeakerDo I develop a proprietary strain that I just monopolize and exploit the shit out of, or do we give it to as many people so as many people can be helped as we can? I've always respected that.

33:41Skunk ManBoris? Thank you, Boris. I just want to tell you guys a brief story. I took every possible CBD cultivar and extracted it all in the same moment. And the reason I did was because I have an 88-year-old friend in Kansas who's got every kind of cancer. She was on her deathbed, and she was really down to just texting me a few words a day and then sleeping for hours.

34:09Skunk ManAnd so I took all of those oils from the cultivars, mixed it up with some of the terpenes that I've been selectively separating, sent them to her in capsules. And three days later, I got this phone call and it was her. And I said, hey, how are you doing? You sound really good. And she said, well, let me tell you something. She said, whatever was in those is the thing because I hadn't been eating at all.

34:36Skunk ManAnd now I'm getting up and I'm eating and I'm doing housework and I feel like a million dollars. Wonderful. That's not all green and wrinkled either. Hey, good work.

34:48SpeakerGood work. It's amazing what can happen when your endocannabinoid system starts to function ideally, huh?

34:53BubblemanI have to say I'm also from the sharing is caring school of thought, and it did get me into a little bit of trouble here in BC, just passing out cultivars and being like, you know, and it kind of, it actually led me, what my train of thought, how I got led there was from Thank you so much for joining us.

35:28BubblemanYou like have a moral responsibility to do that. Like you've got to put that, I loved when you said, and I tried to get as many copies out there to as many people. Because that's like, that's my school of thought too. When I had my garden growing last year and I had all these wonderful cultivars that I had acquired from the, you know, the Astro Boy from Subcool, which we had as a watermelon pheno, and the Congo, which was very, very loved by many, the Congolese.

35:57BubblemanAnd the Northern Lights from Doc Atomic from like the mid 80s. And, you know, along this line, all these really special things, I would just try to give them away. Like people would come over and be like, oh, can I get a cut of that? I'm like, oh, you can get as many as you want, man. Like of each one, like I'll start cutting them right now or you can wait and I'll get you rooted ones.

36:16BubblemanAnd people were always like, wow, like, and what's, you know, you, I guess you don't want me to give these out. And I'd be like, no, no, like you should probably like my, I think that it would be good for you to give them out to as many people as possible, both for them and for yourself when you eventually fuck up and, you know, lose the ones you have.

36:35BubblemanThank you for joining us.

36:53SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

37:19SpeakerThank you for joining us.

37:39SpeakerBut if we don't address it we can easily become, and we see that with a lot of big companies now, exactly what we were trying, me at least, was hoping that we would be defeating in this country, which is this need to monetize human suffering.

38:00BubblemanWell said. Yeah, absolutely well said. No, I agree for sure. There's definitely many different sides to come at it. But from my perspective as a federal patient in Canada under the MMAR injunction, I always felt like it was just good to, you know, like Johnny B and I, we were like, hey, I'd be like, here, here's all my cultivars. And he'd be like, well, here's all mine.

38:23BubblemanAnd then all of a sudden we were growing each other.

38:26SpeakerAnd I'm sure both your businesses went down the drain at that point, right? Oh, it was horrible. It was just horrible. There is two sides to the point. Of course. And that is if professional breeders Using breeding programs that take several years and dozens of acres of land and infrastructure and staff and everything else. I would like to see that in the future. And they're going to want an economic return on it.

39:02SpeakerAnd I think they deserve it.

39:04BubblemanAbsolutely. They've definitely put the time and the work in. And depending on the, and you know it would be like a vast difference in the way that, that's like a tuned machine. And people are obviously going to pay for that.

39:18SpeakerIn the very short term future, you can breed a cannabis plant that produces a lot of cannabis, the target, and has response to the photo periods the way you want it to. For the area that you want it to and has the cannabinoid and terpene profile that you desire. They'll be able to breed it like this very quickly. It's already coming. Yeah. I want to share that in terms of the economic impact of giving things away.

39:55SpeakerThe way I worked with Harlequin has given back to me many times over. Not just financially, but in terms of the people I've come to know and the life experiences that it has provided in my life. I understand how you feel. What I'm saying is that, for example, what if you wanted to have your own gas chromatography and HPLC laboratory a decade ago to be able to do better work?

40:27SpeakerYes. Who would have paid for it? Sure. Exactly. I think that's a, I mean, obviously that's a great point. That's what I mean when we say that there's a balance there. I think where I come from a lot of times when I start talking about this is the practice that we see, and maybe not everyone else sees it, because I deal with a field that deals with really critically ill people, and children in particular.

40:53SpeakerAnd there is a trend of breeding common strains and just so they can give them a new name. And then having a marketing campaign that tells parents that this is the only one that, say, has high CBD in it. And this is the product that is the only one. And they intentionally omit information. They don't teach parents about cannabinoids and milligrams per body weight and those things.

41:20SpeakerThey just... Mark it in a different way that I think is not as ethical as, say, someone who's doing what you're doing, which is trying to start a business. It's different when you then convince parents that their only savior is continuing to buy your product and intentionally don't educate them. I see that a lot with a lot of the very well-known... Thank you so much for joining us.

42:14SpeakerThank you for joining us.

42:34SpeakerThen we're all being good. We're all being good, ethical, moral folks. But that's not happening with a lot of businesses. And maybe I just see it more than others or more sensitive to it. I want to encourage... Breeders in the future that use modern molecular methods to be able to breed much better cannabis. I'm not talking GMO, I'm just talking molecular methods such as genes, marker genes and stuff.

43:03SpeakerLike is used for corn, soy, and just about every other big agricultural crop.

43:12SpeakerThey were doing the same thing here. I was looking at strains that were high in CBD and they just named them different names and I tested them and they were the exact same strain. They were the Haley's common we call up here. Very high CBD, three different and they entered into a cup. They go, well, this is a so-and-so. It was a dispenser. It won't say the name strain.

43:30SpeakerI'm like, no, it's not. It's the same Haley's that I've been growing for six years, identical. And that's the problem. That's why we need this testing. We need that profile so we can see the profile so kids can actually, and patients know exactly what they're taking is very critical for Haley and her mom, Cheryl. Like I know exactly the ratios we had to work with CBD to THC.

43:53SpeakerAnd if you change that, like before your son starts seizing and then trying to get that same efficacy again, that same cannabinoid profile, really it's like you're chasing it. And I know I was just with Dr. Paul Hornby the other day yesterday and he's very about CBD and he's now gotten CBD coming from Sylvania. So now we're getting the same standardized dosage actually. Actually, it's a way to take a look at how that's going to start working and stuff because We're now taking a look outside of the country.

44:22SpeakerI mean, it's just a better way of being able to maybe find that true because when it's being grown on such a mass scale for other usage and we're able to get those proper profile of it, then we can start getting that consistency for people and for patients and then we don't have to change that. If you look at actually having a medicine, those might last until, like say we're going through the puberty stage, catamenal periods with Haley and stuff like that was the same thing.

44:47SpeakerJust Thank you so much for joining us.

45:18SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

45:45SpeakerThank you for joining us.

46:06BubblemanWell, it's a fine line that gets pushed in the direction that we don't want it to go in more often than not. So it makes sense to have a little bit of worry about it. I mean, both of you guys had great points. You know, when you're hiring staff with PhDs and you need expensive Machinery to measure and do extreme chemistry and to know what you're doing and to grow and breed and put all those years in and knowledge.

46:31BubblemanThat's obviously there's value there and it's not like we as humans don't want to pay for things that help heal us. That's a very good use of our money. That's it. We don't want to get jacked. We just don't want to feel trapped and cornered. It's like, look, we're going to give you this medication, but you're going to need it for the rest of your life. It's really expensive.

46:53BubblemanThey just fall into this system that seems to push that line to the very, very end to the point where you have to be pretty close to the wall to notice it's even there.

47:02SpeakerAt the end of the day, it's cannabis. It's not, we're not, we're not breeding magic beans, you know.

47:09BubblemanI always say that actually, that the magic is the cannabinoids and the, you know, the profile is terpenes.

47:15SpeakerIt is magic because, for example, there were no high CBD varieties, only CBD varieties, but, you know, over 10, 20 percent, more than a decade ago. They just did not exist. Well, Prohibition had a big influence on that though, I mean, not the plant, right? That was the market, you know, the marketplace. No, no, I feel, I mean, most ganja that was imported into America, whether it was from Mexico, South America, Africa, or India, or wherever the hell, except for in the northern hashish producing countries, it was basically just THC.

48:00SpeakerThere was little other cannabinoids because the farmers selected away from them for hundreds of years. Right, right.

48:10SpeakerI think where did, Wade, where did the seeds came from, for the harlequin came from the CBD strains? That was from in the country, right? Yeah, the four different land race cultivars, if you will, that were involved in creating the plant known as harlequin. The original mother plant is a Swiss landrace. Just to review the story, the farmer who found it and was the eventual breeder of it was challenged by the fact that this plant never finished flowering in Switzerland.

48:50SpeakerIt would grow really huge, produce large amounts of flowers, but it would continue to flower right on until snow and freezing killed it. And so the three other land race types that are involved in Harlequin, besides the Swiss plant, is a Nepali indica, A Thai sativa and a Colombian sativa. And the two sativas, the Colombian and the Thai, neither of them test as having any CBD in them.

49:25SpeakerThey're high THC drug varieties, if you will. On the other hand, the Swiss plant, And the Nepalese from the Mustang area of Nepal had high THC, virtually no CBD, or high CBD, virtually no THC. It's been a long time since I looked at those notes, but my memory says that the Swiss plant had about 10% CBD and virtually no THC, and the Nepalese plant had about 12% CBD.

50:00SpeakerAnd no THC. Whereas the two sativas were both in the mid-teens of THC and virtually no CBD. And as someone who's been breeding, looking for interesting cultivars, I've really found best results, stable THC variety, something that's trusted and loved and cross it with a CBD variety. And that's where the extreme phenotypes pop out. That's been my experience. A good example of that is someone crossed a granddaddy purple.

50:41SpeakerThank you for joining us.

51:04Skunk ManTaking a look at THCA as a very, very, very powerful addendum to CBD. THCA in non-active form is one of the most powerful cannabinoids that you can take in a bottle. I've been advocating THCA ingestion for the last 10 years, but it's only coming to light now through the research that THCA is a very potent ingredient. Addition to the CBD lineup of cannabinoids that are aiding the body.

51:39SpeakerIt's probably the most powerful anti-inflammatory cannabinoid. There's a company here in the Netherlands called Mary Farm owned by Marcel DeVitt and he has a patent on using THCA as a medicine.

51:58SpeakerYeah, that's just ridiculous to me. I mean, THCA is just a non-activated, for those who don't know who are listening, right? It's the non-activated, right, or you've heard, it hasn't been decarboxylated yet, form of THC, you know, and so is CBDA. So basically, it's got a patent on anything, any THC that has not been heated yet. He listed a whole bunch of potential uses, and he showed it was beneficial in a couple of specific uses.

52:26SpeakerYeah. Most of the preparations that we're working with in the context of the Caladrius Network, as well as in my patients group, we try and preserve the cannabinoids in the acid form. And I

52:41SpeakerI would agree really strongly with what you were saying about the efficacy of them. We get really dramatically different results among a lot of the patients that we work with when the medicine has been decarboxylated as versus when it's still in the acid form. And at the Society of Cannabis Clinicians, their last meeting in the Bay Area, I don't remember the doctor's name, but there was a presentation done on THC in the acid form.

53:17SpeakerAnd I believe that it's not up yet, but the Society of Cannabis Clinicians, their website has videos of their meetings. And each meeting has at least one presentation from a A researcher or a clinician on cannabis medicine. And like I said, the most recent one was on THCA and its various, it's a very exciting area of research even for the clinicians as well as the researchers. Yeah, one of, I don't want to get up and leave to give it, but one of, we rotate medicines for Silas because of his Lemmas-Gastaut Syndrome, and we found that keeping those rotating actually kind of combats the body's ability to adjust to medicine, which some of those rare intractable epilepsies are famous for.

54:05SpeakerAnd the second medicine, our rotating medicine, is all, it's an acidic, it's Medihaze, it's the strain, which is anywhere from a two to one to a one to one, depending on the environment it's grown in. And we were able to get some access to a rosin press so we can keep it in its acidic form and really have just some clean, simple medicines like that, get those into the lab, and we've had really good success in all acidic compound medicines.

54:32SpeakerSo, We've seen some definite efficacy increases and we're able to modulate between acidic and non-acidic compounds with the dosing schedule. We are looking to transition. We had a hard time with that. I was just a parent who was getting started. We didn't have access, didn't have money. It's been a long journey getting to where we're at today. We were using really high quality, but just distillation methods for our medicines, which would naturally decarboxylate it just because of the process.

55:05SpeakerThe heat that was involved in that process. So, you know, we're looking right now to be able to switch over to all solvent-free extractions just for that reason. So that one, we don't have to worry about solvents, which is always a risk when you have kids who are on high levels of medication already because their liver is already processing quite a bit. So even just a little bit of ethanol or other things can be an issue.

55:31SpeakerBut also so that we can keep everything in those acidic forms and then have the option for customized medicine for these kids when we dial things in to be able to give them either the activated or non-activated forms of each of those compounds. Because we're seeing some results from CBDA as well that we haven't quite seen enough to talk about publicly, but I'm really excited in some of the efficacy we're seeing with using that as a rotation in the rotation as well.

56:00Skunk ManYou know, Forrest, that the way I extract is cryogenic and all my materials are raw. I've passed every nuclear magnetic resonance test on residues. There's no residue in any of our extracts. Hasn't been for 12 years. But we produce the raw extract and it's not, it has to be decarbed if you want to make it active. Right.

56:27SpeakerYeah, yeah, we had talked about that last time, which was great. You know, I'm, you know, you can read all the books you want, but then being able to develop and set up the abilities process are two different things. So I'm, it's great to learn from you guys and hear about those processes. But, you know, as people who are, you know, with the fact that we have, We're full-time caregivers, and a lot of our volunteers are parents as well.

56:51SpeakerIt limits, you know, our processes need to remain relatively simple for us to be able to do that. But now that we're getting more and more attention, we're helping more families, the lectures I'm giving up and down the state is introducing us to more people. We're looking to partner and be able to partner with labs that are more advanced than what we're able to do. Or, which is what I want to do eventually, which is set up the first solvent-free program Thank you for joining us.

57:46SpeakerYeah, same here. Hey, Forrest, did you tell the story about the company that contacted you about rescue? No. No, I haven't told. It's kind of a downer, but there might be some suggestions among the folk here. Yeah, if you guys want to get into that, I mean, I was starting to be sued in the last couple weeks by some folks. I don't know if I want to name them or not, but they are one of these companies that sees the need to isolate and limit what's put out into the world so that they can profit off it.

58:29SpeakerAnd the fact that basically I put out a video That, you know, I don't know how far down this rabbit hole we want to go. So epilepsy is, if your seizures don't stop, right, you will die. So when they continue to go, that's called status epilepticus. And status epilepticus can be terminal. You know, this is where a lot of deaths happen in epilepsy, that, and what's called SUDEP, which is sudden death in epilepsy.

59:00SpeakerFor decades, they've had three different types of drugs to intervene, and they're all benzos or Valium, essentially. So you have what are called rescue medications. That's been terminology that's been used for decades. They go in three ways. They go in sublingually, right, through the mouth, intranasally, through the nose, which is a medication called Versed, which is a Valium, essentially, and rectally, which is what most people Family's are forced to use and you get a rectal injection while your kid's seizing.

59:33SpeakerYou have to try to get their pants down and do this of the benzodiazepine. So it's these heavy narcotics that, you know, for Silas alone, I just posted on Silas' Facebook page, which is facebook.com forward slash hope for Silas. They had to give him that Ativan, which is the most people are familiar with, right? We're talking a nine-year-old boy getting two to four milligrams of Ativan dose at a time.

1:00:00SpeakerAnd for two and a half days later, he's just a screaming nightmare. Like the withdrawals, the effects on the body, or... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:00:23SpeakerWe, you know, as part of trying to find an answer to that, we've worked with rescue cannabis rectal medications. You might have seen parents do that online. We've worked with rescue cannabis sublingual patients or interventions where they put The full extract via mouth, see if that works. A lot of parents have luck with that. And obviously, because it's the only other third option, we've worked with intranasal cannabis rescue sprays as well.

1:00:53SpeakerWell, there is an intranasal cannabis rescue spray that is on the market in Colorado. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:01:27SpeakerOnce I felt confident that we were seeing benefit from what we were making here at my house, essentially, we posted a video. The video is online. We can show it here. You can go to Silas' Facebook page and see that. Or on YouTube, if you put in Rescue Spray Silas or Cannabis Rescue Spray and Silas, that video will come up. It just shows it basically working. It shows his nurses using it, not myself.

1:01:53SpeakerAnd it shows it stopping the seizure in 20 seconds. And I've had enough of those experiences to know that it usually stops the seizure between immediately and 40 seconds. So great. No benzo withdrawal, right? Life-saved, non-toxic cannabis is amazing. It's a miracle in its ability to influence the brain. Well, that didn't make some companies very happy when they saw that, so I started getting threats that we had stolen and violated their patent.

1:02:24SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:02:47SpeakerThey're trying to say, obviously you can't patent the active ingredient, which is for some of them THC. For the one Silas uses, I have an example here. I don't know if you can see that or not. I think it's about three milligrams CBD. You've got three milligrams THC in this one. We found that that had less of a negative effect from it afterwards. So it is a different recipe than what that company is using for siluses.

1:03:14SpeakerBut basically what they told us is they have a patent on the milligrams per spray. And the word rescue. And that we were in violation that we had stolen that. And there was some very angry messages put online about how we were thieves and we were stealing from them. And really, I'm just a dad who hasn't sold anything and has made this for his kids. So this is kind of the attitude that I come up against quite a bit.

1:03:42BubblemanYou got to think in this day and age of social media, though, that company must be like very much so if they do sue you. They'll try to keep this closed so you can't mention their name because once you mention that company's name, they are so thrown under the bus.

1:03:56SpeakerHow can the company be selling the product with THC? That's not legal. Well, they're out of Colorado and I, you know, the thing is, is he, before he blasted me online and sent me an email that they're about to come into California. And I think when they saw that we're in California. That's not FDA approved. Sure. Just because they're selling that in Colorado means nothing in the big picture.

1:04:19BubblemanHmm. Yeah, that's what I heard. They probably have no leg to stand on in reality.

1:04:23SpeakerWell, I think, let me, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you can't patent the vessel, because you can get a nasal sprayer online on Amazon in five minutes, right? It's 0.1 milligrams per spray, as long as you have the right dosage. It's not the active ingredient. So this would be no different than if I decided I wanted to take out a patent on this vessel, right?

1:04:44SpeakerThese drops that people make for all sorts of different kind of medicine, and I was going to patent Thank you so much for joining us.

1:05:04SpeakerI asked them to send it to me and it wasn't sent to me. And then I was blocked from all their social media pages. Well, I mean, they can't patent an ingredient. They can't patent a vessel. It's probably just a bunch of hot air from someone who thinks that they have a patent leg to stand on. So I wouldn't pay them any attention. No. Well, part of what...

1:05:27SpeakerPart of what's problematic in Forrest's case is he's a family man who doesn't have a big company with lawyers backing him, and nuisance lawsuits are a real hassle. He could end up with a judgment against him by not contesting it. He's not selling, then he can't get a judgment against him. Think about it. It's just, I think it's the, I'm not worried about it. I think shining the light on these things is what I want to do.

1:05:59SpeakerYou know, a lawsuit would be a great way to do that. But not that that's going to happen. It's not going to happen. But it's the ethical problem. I have an ethical problem with that.

1:06:08Etienne FontanWell, you can always counter sue. I mean, but I mean, that's a waste of time and money and energy, which, of course, you're a father who's trying to just deal with. You know, taking care of your son, but... Just think of the context of it, right?

1:06:21SpeakerThis could only be used by someone who's watching their kid potentially die. This is the only reason for this. And this is kind of what I'm talking about when I talk about the difference in some of these things, where they will take something that you can only make money on off of people whose kids are dying and potentially dying, and that is so looked at as a gold mine and profitable...

1:06:47SpeakerThat we will sue any sort of nonprofit company or anybody who's talking about how to teach people the very non-complicated way of dosing out, you know, five milligrams per dose or six milligrams per dose by doing a little math and having clean extract. These are the sort of things that I think is a line that we shouldn't cross when it comes to pretending we're doing something that no one else can do with cannabis.

1:07:11SpeakerSome of these things are not hard to do at home. And when it comes to Thank you for watching.

1:07:34SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:07:51SpeakerAnd, you know, right or wrong, as a parent who is of the kids who they're hoping to really exploit with this, I'm not on board with that. I don't think that's the right choice. I don't think it's the right image for cannabis as a whole. You know, this is a plant that... It can really be the most powerful force for social good in our society. Things like this just diminish it, I think.

1:08:16SpeakerThere's plenty of angles to be profitable and functioning in the cannabis world, but to threaten parents and to lie and distort the truth for such a small percentage of the marketplace on such a critically important issue as Status Epilepticus Seizures is just, I don't know, maybe it's just me. I don't think it's all right.

1:08:41BubblemanIt reminds me of Bill Hicks' comedy where he's like, if you're in marketing, just kill yourself right now, seriously. That whole where he gets, just goes so deep on it. He's like, I bet you they sleep like babies. What did you do today, honey? Oh, we worked on arsenic-based baby foods. Good night. Yeah.

1:08:59SpeakerYeah, I mean, that's it. And the sad part is, I think what really gets me passionate about it is if he's going to do that, fine, he's going to do that. What bothers me is the parents who are bamboozled along the way and the parents who are manipulated along the way to believe that You know, this person is a hero who's doing something that nobody else can do.

1:09:22SpeakerAnd they believe it when they say that only he has the power to save my kids. And they convince these parents that they have something that is so special and rare that only they can give it to them. And that hurts because I've seen parents go through that, but when the product wasn't right for their kids. So, you know, you take these high CBD companies that are really famous, They only push, you need CBD, you need CBD, you need CBD, and you can only get it from us because it's a special strain.

1:09:50SpeakerAnd the parents try it and try it, and then they say, well, that didn't work for me. And they believe that that was all that could have worked, and they give up. And I've been to those kids' funerals. Thank you for watching.

1:10:20BubblemanThe way CBD came to be into the spotlight and the way it was just like the, you know, compared to the black sheep that was THC, it's like, oh my God, like multiple felonies. Yeah, that's the THC's bad, bad, bad boy. But the CBD came in as like the valedictorian, blonde haired, blue eye, like captain of the football team, quarterback with the most runs. Like it just was like everyone loved it.

1:10:46BubblemanAnd I also came across people Thank you so much for joining us.

1:11:14Etienne FontanThat's absolutely unethical. It's why we need regulation. It's why we have been calling for testing. I mean, we're only just into testing, okay? And we still have so much more to go, but it is absolutely, you know, Thank you for watching.

1:11:47Etienne FontanIt's stupefying still to this day and it does nothing but reek of the stench of snake oil salesmen because these people know in their heart of hearts they're only padding their dollars as opposed to actually helping people and that is something that we've always strived for to try to make today better than yesterday so that hopefully tomorrow will be better.

1:12:12BubblemanYeah, I got to say it's one of the reasons that I've always been stoked and proud of my company, Fresh Headies, and pushing bubble bags out into the world to get people to be able to make this near, you know, just supreme quality, like purity, not quality, sorry. Quality will be based on their genetics and how well they grew it. But to be able to access that kind of purity was never really available to the masses before.

1:12:36BubblemanPrior to the popularization of water hash in like 98, 99, 2000 and on. And it was, you know, giving people that ability to just in their own home whip up an ounce or whatever and know how much they have of the, you know, this raw, raw cannabinoids, 99.9% gland heads. It was, I've had some touching stories from people. Just be well received of the product. And you know, it's obviously more often than not, I can't even sell them the product.

1:13:09BubblemanI just give it to them because you don't want to really, I don't know. I just think that I'd rather make my profits elsewhere.

1:13:17SpeakerBefore the water sifting, people had to buy imported hashish.

1:13:22BubblemanAbsolutely.

1:13:23SpeakerImported hashish was commonly 10-20% THC. It was no stronger than fine simsumia. Pinnacle.

1:13:33BubblemanYeah, it's true. It changed the game for sure. And it's unique for Sam to say that because Sam's been puffing 99.9% heads for like as long. Like, I don't know if it's been 30 or 40 years.

1:13:45SpeakerOnce you've had really good, pure, clean resin heads, whether it's water sifted or dry sifted, you don't want to look back.

1:13:56BubblemanNo, it's impossible. It destroyed me. People are like, when's the last time you smoked cannabis? I'm like, I don't know, like 15 years ago, I think. They're like, what? I'm like, yeah, for real. This stuff is...

1:14:08SpeakerI have to say thanks for letting us understand that's what we need. Marcus loves great cannabis, but it's a messenger, not the message.

1:14:21BubblemanYeah, it's true. It's true. I learned that, you know, as much from puffing, I learned that as much from puffing, I learned it from industrial hemp and all the commercial uses and how you never just threw the whole plant in and got the product you were looking for. You always took the one from the hole, whether it was, you know, essential amino acid rich seed from the embryos or whether it was fiber from the stock or cellulose from the stock.

1:14:46BubblemanGenerally, we were separating them from the hole to produce these different products. And I saw the same thing with the medicine, if that's what you wanted to use it for. It seemed to be also the benefits, whether you want to use, call it medically or recreationally, adult use, whatever, they were like magnified and way clearer, like a clarity was achieved that sort of was different from the muddiness that I got when I was inhaling plant matter wrapped in paper, you know, sealed with glue.

1:15:18Etienne FontanIt's just a different sort of feeling.

1:15:22BubblemanI am very thankful, Sam, for both your place in water extraction and in dry sifting because, wow, talk about sharing a good thing with the world. Yes. It's nice to be able to do it on your own.

1:15:52SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:16:09SpeakerOf course, it doesn't work that way. I'm talking about a very small percentage of the marketplace that is terminal, potentially terminal or critical. We can all talk about how those people can be treated. I think we can treat them in the cannabis community individually and help support and lift up those people who are going through the most horrific conditions you can imagine.

1:16:37SpeakerMake a dent in any of the entrepreneurial sort of spirit and benefits that can happen out of working with cannabis, which I think is great. So the people who are listening realize that I'm talking about people who might not be here next year if we don't come together and try to support and help them. That's kind of what I thought. So when I'm talking about patients, you know, and you can look at some of the kids we work with.

1:16:59SpeakerYou can look at my own son and how intense his condition is. It's not a joke. I mean, a lot of people just haven't really experienced that level of illness. Thank you so much for being here.

1:17:30SpeakerYou know, what can we do to help not keep information from them, not manipulate those families? It's just an ethical line that I think shouldn't be crossed. And I'll leave it with that.

1:17:42BubblemanI'll say that that was my foundation in all of this as well, coming out to BC. And my only friend that I really knew out here was Hillary Black. And she was kind of in the middle of, do I move down to California and go stay with Todd? Or as they had just come back from Amsterdam from living there together. Or do I stay in BC and sort of build this, you know, compassion club that I have on my mind.

1:18:04BubblemanAnd so she decided to stay in BC, start the compassion club. This was around 97. And it was really for people that were that were terminal. So, you know, the original days of the compassion club, everyone was terminal. So lots of people were passing away every week, every month. It was like, wow, like this is really heavy shit. Like getting to know these people in the end of their lives.

1:18:27BubblemanI got to know them because I was one of the first growers for the BC Compassion Club and I would grow cannabis and basically sell it at a loss to the market. I was just like, I can't charge market prices. This is fucked up. And also because these people that were at the end of their lives at this time that were going to the BC Compassion Club were also, you know, poverty stricken.

1:18:49BubblemanA lot of them were living out on the streets. A lot of them didn't have money. And it was just, it was incredible to see Hillary just with the highest integrity help these people when she herself came from a very good upbringing, you know, in a sort of wealthy neighborhood with a lot of abundance. And for her to sacrifice that in her, you know, really, I mean, she, Thank you for joining us.

1:19:21SpeakerAnd I think, hey, it saved my life. It's where I learned how, somewhere I found the beautiful brownies after my accident. I went to the first company, Compassion Club Society. I found decarboxylated cannabis in a brownie type form, and it completely changed my whole, my whole thought on how cannabis helped me as a medicine coming out of the hospital. And the BCCS was a big part of my recovery.

1:19:44SpeakerIt was the starting of where I learned where cannabis was truly a medicine. I totally agree. And, you know, you're a big part of that market. Thanks. That's awesome. You guys did what you did there for patients. It was really a great place to meet. They had the whole facility of education on natural pain control to re-key to all kinds of things next door at the wellness center.

1:20:03SpeakerIt was quite awesome. They did a lot for patients and still do every day. That's incredible.

1:20:10Etienne FontanThey led by example for all of us to see, to learn, and also to follow.

1:20:16BubblemanAbsolutely, you know, and Hillary now works with some pretty large companies. She was with Bedrocan, which got bought up by Canopy, I believe. I believe they own that now. And so, you know, you have people sort of say, oh, you know, how could she go work for these big... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:20:50BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:21:13SpeakerI believe in both approaches. Cannabis can be beneficial to man. And whether it's through big business, through the 7-Eleven, or through mom and pop helping people, I believe in all approaches that use cannabis.

1:21:35BubblemanYeah, I'm definitely also in the sense when people are like, how can you promote LPs? I say, well, I'm not promoting LPs per se as much as I'm promoting access and LPs are access. So that to me is off the table. All the rest of the shit you guys are upset about, by all means, you know, fight and scream and yell about. But I've just been I've been screaming for access for 25 years and I'm not going to cut off.

1:21:59BubblemanYeah, because what it really boils down to, better for who, for what?

1:22:18SpeakerThat's it. People may not want to smoke it. They may want to spray it under their tongue or stick in a suppository. They should have that right to deliver it how they want.

1:22:33BubblemanIt's true. And Irv Rosenfield, when he came in, the one of two federal patients in America, Good friend of Todd's and some of the other panelists. And he put it into perspective when we were all being like, oh, we got to get Irv the bomb. We need to get him the good oil and the good bubble hash. And he's like, listen, guys, I know you're laughing about my Mississippi grown swag, but it works for me.

1:22:59BubblemanIt's given me a good quality of life and it works. And I was just like, damn. Shit, yeah, it's like, that's right. That's what matters. It's more access. It's just crazy how the human brain thinks sometimes when we don't. It's like, I don't like the way that access is. We need to destroy. It's like, no, we don't need to destroy anything. Why don't you build something new over here, and it can exist simultaneously as what someone else built over here that's obviously helping some people.

1:23:27SpeakerThat's been one of the favorite things that I've been able to do that has been rewarding is, you know, we have long-term cultivators and long-term businessmen who have been doing things for a long time, but the majority of these people that I find have come into the cannabis world because of some sort of injury or some sort of health thing that they've been treating, and they always use cannabis to treat that.

1:23:52SpeakerAs we started working with them and I started talking to them more, they might not have been keeping up with the science of cannabis and how the things that we're learning. Right now, it's just exciting. It's every day we learn something new. And one of the most rewarding things that I've had happen lately is some people that we're working with are always smoking. Thank you for joining us.

1:24:31SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:24:52SpeakerI've seen it completely change their life. People who've been in cannabis for a long time having a new understanding of how to, all the different ways that you can approach cannabis as a medicine is opening their eyes as to how How much better even their own treatment can be with what they're doing, depending on what they're having. I've had a couple of businessmen where that's happened with, and now they smoke and do other things as they need for when it's appropriate, but they've added new tools to their box to be able to take care of the conditions they're working with, and I've seen some pretty amazing results.

1:25:27SpeakerI think that's cool you say that. You know, a lot of people seem to feel that cannabis is going to cure the, you know, overwhelming symptom of life and it really won't. I mean, we will die someday. It's just inevitable. But the quality of life, the way we can appreciate our time with others, you know, how we can embrace this in a healthy or at least the most healthy way possible in a way is really what cannabis represents to me.

1:25:49SpeakerI mean, it's never going to cure my spinal fusion. But it can help me tolerate my spinal fusion throughout my life so I don't turn into more abusive or worse substances. I mean, when I was only 12, I was given my second mini bike and I went, you know, bouncing trails and, you know, riding all these whoops and my neck bouncing around and my neck hurt. And when my doctor said to me, you know, try smoking pot, it's not your worst option.

1:26:12SpeakerI was only 12, but, you know, it was a few years after he'd already seen me benefit from it during chemotherapy and radiational therapy. So he was being a smartass, but he wasn't being a smartass because what he followed it up with, you know, Todd, if I start prescribing you opiates, you're just going to become mentally and physically addicted to them. You know, the pain's never going to go away.

1:26:32SpeakerIt really hit me like wow and you know learning how to you know learning martial arts, learning how to take care of myself, exercise, be proactive and mitigating the pain was really a whole part of the holistic approach cannabis brought in. Well and that's it. It's about having all those options for you to be able to deal with that in a healthy way to improve your quality of life.

1:26:52SpeakerI mean if we're having neuropathic pain then you know a cream or a tincture that is made correctly could be Thank you for joining us today.

1:27:18SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:27:38SpeakerConcentrates and extracts started hitting the market. The first thing that I really saw that they did was they proved safety and effectivity because I mean, whereas a joint was great, you know, and I'd watch LV Musica, one of the women that get legal marijuana, you know, smoke joint after joint after joint to help mitigate, you know, the pain and the headaches from her glaucoma. She would do a dab and she would sit there content for quite a while, not needing to chain smoke, not needing to go back and go back and go back, but And that really showed me how effective a high dose of cannabinoids can be to somebody who's really suffering.

1:28:14SpeakerYou know, where it's a great band-aid, you know, you start dabbing and it suddenly becomes a remedy, you know, in some ways, you know, and that is something I never thought of in the way of, You know, hashish was always more consistent than cannabis, and that's why I always thought it would be a better medicine. But as we move forward, the safety and the effectivity of what we're doing now with extracts, to me, really proves how incredibly important cannabis is, how safe cannabis is, and how effective it can be for a variety of conditions.

1:28:49BubblemanAnd so subtle, so subtly so, I'll say, you know, one of my experiences of not puffing for those eight days and then just yesterday having my first rip in eight days after traveling. You had a reset. Yeah, it was a reset. I went away with my family and I didn't, I wasn't bothering looking for it. I didn't feel I needed it. And I was fine. There was, you know, no negative feelings whatsoever.

1:29:11BubblemanBut when I had that first puff, yeah. The clarity and the feeling of the subtlety of what being high or elevated or stoned or whatever you want to call it is, is a very powerful thing. There's an incredible amount of energy in there from its simplicity to its absolute benignness to the fact that if you ate enough of it, you could probably do surgery on someone. You could put someone in a coma with it.

1:29:41BubblemanIt is powerful stuff. Incredible. The spectrum, you know?

1:29:47SpeakerYeah, I've been doing a lot of research on high THC dabs and concentrates trying to really, because I have this when we're working with kids and some of the conditions we're looking at, I would qualify under the clinical endocannabinoid deficiency disorders umbrella. And for those who aren't familiar with that, that's, you know, fibromyalgia, MS, and Thank you so much for joining us.

1:30:32SpeakerSo we see these people who have multiple conditions like rheumatoid arthritis and they get migraine and they get this. All of these are a symptom of the body, a malfunction within that endocannabinoid system. They're not producing the endocannabinoids or they're not able to take them in. Well, the concern where I've been doing a lot of research Thank you for joining us today.

1:31:11SpeakerAnd where we get with the high doses of any cannabinoid, whether it be CBD or CBG or THC, the concern or the thought that Ethan Russo put forward was that that's where tolerance happens, right? And tolerance is the Thank you for joining us.

1:31:48SpeakerCan I throw a thought in though? Yeah. It's almost like the more we learn about cannabinoids and the more we learn that they benefit us in ways that we can't even see, the more it kind of makes me think that the fact that we have this and we get immune to it, the fact that we stop getting high, it almost allows it to work as a medicine because for me at least, I mean, I've always consumed a lot of cannabis.

1:32:12SpeakerATN would tell you from the day he met me, I was always smoking cannabis. Thank you for joining us.

1:32:33SpeakerBut with cannabis, I can actually consume day and night and not be useless at all and actually not really get as high as I did the first time I got high. But at the same time, who gives a shit? I'm able to maintain my life. I'm able to take care of myself. I'm able to do all these great things because cannabis has put me in this kind of normal space.

1:32:54SpeakerWell, that's the thought. I think that's exactly it. And I think that's why I think people who benefit, or I'm starting to notice in trying to hash these thoughts out so we have a better understanding, is people who benefit from those high doses of THC. It's because they're saturating their body with THC, which is a known modulator of pain in the body. So they have this benefit to where they start to shut down.

1:33:18SpeakerSo my point was, where I was trying to get was that So, tolerance in a lot of ways is something that we have to be aware of but can actually be 100% beneficial because when you need a saturated system of THC, and this is a problem we see with cancer as well, it's very difficult to get for a lot of people because they don't like the experience of too much THC in the body or being over high because you start to down regulate those CB1 receptors.

1:33:42SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

1:34:04SpeakerWhereas other folks might need a different approach. So I think it's really interesting as we learn more about this to see how people kind of naturally find the right application of cannabis just based on experience and what's working for them and now we're starting to understand how and why that works. I think it's a really exciting time to be working with cannabis right now. Absolutely. Think of how opposite that statement is compared to almost any other opiate or other drug that we would use because it doesn't matter what else they give us.

1:34:34SpeakerThe more we use it, the less effective it's going to be. Right. Right. And the more dangerous it becomes. Absolutely. Right. And then the more desperate of a situation it puts people in because if they found that it was a remedy and then suddenly it stops working as a remedy, they feel hopeless. Yeah, it's just so it's just this is and this is where I said in the beginning, I don't know if you're I don't think you're quite with us yet that this is why I believe and believe to the core of my body that in the topic of cannabis, we have the moral and ethical high ground.

1:35:05SpeakerIt's just finding the people who Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us.

1:35:32SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:36:02BubblemanThat's what their argument is constantly now, I've noticed. It's constantly, but we need to protect the children. I'm like, protect the children from what?

1:36:11SpeakerNow we have to legalize to protect the children because all our kids are frigging sick because of all the bad decisions we've been making in our environment. What about the young adults that want to get high? If we give them too much CBD, it'll be hard for them to get high.

1:36:28BubblemanIt's pretty crazy. Well, I mean, that's where I think this is where I become an adult.

1:36:33SpeakerI think this is where I become a thorn in the side locally because it's exactly that Marcus that I challenge full force. I confront those arguments head on because You know, I realize I have a platform that forces people to listen to me more than other people don't have. And I don't want to waste that. And I don't want to not acknowledge it. But we don't value human suffering in this country.

1:36:57SpeakerSo if you're an adult and you're suffering and you have... Thank you for joining us.

1:37:18SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

1:37:34SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:37:58SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

1:38:26BubblemanIt's a unique perspective and it sort of, to me, creates like what I think of as the people who are the most trusted or the realizt. It's like they don't have this other agenda. It's like this was all about my child. This is why I learned. This is why I'm trucking forward to teach other people because this is working for us. It's, you know, it's righteous.

1:38:52SpeakerIt is what it is, you know, definitely. But I think it just helps get the conversation down to an honest discussion. You know, what is really important and how are we going to regulate it? And I do local work and on the state level as well. One of the analogies that I found has worked a lot and I continue to use is that, you know, and a lot of people are probably going through this.

1:39:15SpeakerAnd here in California, I know, but all across the country, as we fight for legalization and fight for cannabis rights, you're having, hopefully, those of you out there are going to your local city council meetings and going to your local county board meetings and constantly having to argue if you're going to allow legalization Thank you for joining us.

1:39:42SpeakerIt's an immoral question that even is. And if you put it in the context of would I have to sit in a city council meeting and ask permission to if we are going to give kids insulin who have critical diabetes, or if, if you even want to take what they consider to be dangerous drugs, if we were going to allow a dispensary, a.k.a. pharmacy, to dispense opioids to kids or adults who had just had surgery or a limb amputated, We would be looking at that as a ridiculous, immoral conversation of neglect of human suffering.

1:40:16SpeakerYet we're totally comfortable talking about cannabis in the same terms of if we were going to allow these people to have it. Well, the science is in. The argument is over for anyone paying attention. And there are people in our community whose life literally depends on cannabinoid therapies. And the discussion isn't if we're going to have it in our communities. The only discussion that is moral and ethical to have is how.

1:40:39SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

1:41:06BubblemanAnd those regulations, you know, they need to be also in the way we were talking earlier, the way the fine line gets pushed against the wall in different aspects. In regulations, more often than not, they over-regulate and they control things to the point where, oh, you can only have this, and it can only be in this milligram dose. It needs to be regulated for safety's purposes, but openly, like as a nice, wide, vast regulation.

1:41:34BubblemanBroad swipe of what's available. So everything is available in all forms. Yeah, those are the kind of regulations.

1:41:42SpeakerIt needs to be regulated by someone who has even the slightest education in cannabis, which unfortunately a lot of times, in my experience, the lawmakers don't. They're going off old ideology and fear. And they're really, it's just regulating control. They just want to, essentially, I don't know what the experience is for everyone else, but I assume it's relatively common. A lot of these regulations are really quasi, how do we limit and control this as much as we can because we don't want this evil Thank you for joining us.

1:42:37BubblemanYeah, it's an interesting predicament. It's hard to, I mean, you know, from someone like myself who grew up in prohibition and I knew prohibition fairly well, I still recognize it, not that I myself am trapped within its confinements quite to the extent as I used to be, only within my own country, once I leave the country that I'm out of the safety zone, but federally exempt in my own company to grow and process and use cannabis.

1:43:04BubblemanAnd yeah, it's just... Lost my train of thought there. I'm pretty medicated. Hey, welcome, D420K. That's what I was going to say.

1:43:15SpeakerDoes my mic work?

1:43:18BubblemanIt works.

1:43:18SpeakerI can't hear you. I'm joking. Mark, only you, man. Only you know how to do it.

1:43:29BubblemanHow is the mic work? Is it nice and clear? Dude, I was telling Forrest earlier how he's like inspired more than half the freaking panelists. I think Etienne, you, myself, Johnny B, and Todd all have new mics. There you go. I can hide behind it. In fact, Tony does as well if he comes in later. It's called the Yeti. Because it's so fucking big.

1:43:54SpeakerThe Yeti. Thanks, man. You just sent the link. You got to get this, John, next week. Do we got to mute this still all the time? Is that still the procedure? It's a good procedure. Okay.

1:44:12Etienne FontanI also do recommend if you do, there's a little foam cover that helps cut down on the wind and such that you can get to for your pieces as well.

1:44:20SpeakerA condom. You got to say it, Darren. A helmet. Helmet cover.

1:44:25Etienne FontanIt just keeps noise down, so you're just hearing the voice.

1:44:30SpeakerHow about we do a bong rip? There you go. Boom. I think it's very doable. What do you think, gentlemen? I think it's a bong rip, and then I'm jumping out of here. Everybody else out in the audience, let's do one great big bong rip for everybody. This is for all the guys in jail, everything that are... President of All Through Our Times, this is Bongrips for all of you.

1:44:56SpeakerGo.

1:44:58BubblemanI wonder if anyone's watching Hash Church in prison. Todd says no. Not even on like a little smartphone in their cell? That's a little earbud.

1:45:09SpeakerThat would be fucking pretty ridiculous. You could slip. They're pulling cell phones out of prisons all the time. That's what I'm saying. So it's not totally, you know, and then there's prison guards too. They sit around and do nothing while they're babysitting. I'm sure there's a few people on it. I'm going to say good day, guys. Whoa.

1:45:32BubblemanWhat was that? That was Sam talking too close to his microphone.

1:45:37SpeakerThey could do it on their cell phone.

1:45:40Etienne FontanThat's better.

1:45:41BubblemanThat's what I was thinking. I would like to think that someone in jail just got that shout out from D420K and it literally made their day better.

1:45:53SpeakerI was just thinking of the ones that are incarcerated for e-defenses unjustly and that sort of thing. Just a bit of a shout out to them.

1:46:01BubblemanThere's no shortage.

1:46:03Etienne FontanHey, there were 3,500 new ones last year. It came out in some statistics. 3,500 new federal people went to jail for marijuana.

1:46:12SpeakerWell, not many of them. They sent 3,500 United States citizens to jail and federal prison. Correct. Yeah. So those cases could have been going on for years like mine did. In the last few weeks in Toronto, they've arrested and charged over 100 people working in dispensaries and stuff like that within the Canada clinics and the cannabis cultures and all the dispensaries that are being raided all across Canada.

1:46:37SpeakerSo many charges pending to all of these people that were supplying patients. It's... It's really hard. A colossal waste of money. Colossal waste. I mean, I finally, I took my charges. I got my stuff from Health Canada. You get a cover letter and I put it all together. Nice little package. Got hold of Crown Prosecutor in Alberta. All the information and hopefully cross my fingers. They'll just drop the charges.

1:47:02SpeakerSo, you know what?

1:47:04BubblemanThis is insane that they're charging people and clogging up the courts. In the meantime, are they not releasing a bunch of people from prison that Dana Larson recently wrote about in the Huffington Post? What was it? They don't have the money or the...

1:47:26SpeakerMarks and Mike Cutts. All this good conversation.

1:47:32BubblemanIt was basically a Huffington Post story that Dana Larston wrote recently in regards to how they're going after the Emery's and busting dispensaries, yet they don't have the time or the money to focus on a bunch of violent criminals like murderers and rapists and shit that they're going to let out of jail. Hey, how about this?

1:47:51SpeakerYou know those fentanyl deaths that happened in Vancouver? They went up charging one of the dealers and he got 14 years in prison for killing over 670 people, in my opinion. I mean, that guy got nothing compared to what, I mean, it's ridiculous.

1:48:05BubblemanWell, think about it. He got 14 years. My mentor, Ron Hickey, did 11 years. It's insane.

1:48:15SpeakerOn that note, guys, I got to take off. I've got family coming over today and stuff like that. Love you all. Peace and love. We'll see you next week. And Mark, let's get together and we'll see everybody soon. Peace, John.

1:48:26BubblemanThanks, Johnny B. Have a great day. Take care, John. Very cool. Well, cannabis, cannabis, cannabis. Hash Church, we love cannabis. 767 viewers watching right now. We've got the chat room going off saying goodbye to To Johnny B, where's Todd? Todd is in the room. He's right here. Sometimes Todd needs to come in an hour after opening.

1:48:54SpeakerYeah, ATN had me out driving around.

1:48:58BubblemanRight, you guys went and saw Patton Oswald, right. Is he the guy that does the voice for the narration of the Goldbergs?

1:49:10SpeakerI didn't know who the hell he was, so you'd have to refer that. Oh, you didn't know who he was? Isn't he a comedian? He was kind of at times. At times, not so much.

1:49:23BubblemanInteresting.

1:49:25Etienne FontanYeah, he does voiceovers, books, and he's a comedian. Man, he had me in stitches last night, needless to say. But yeah, we had a good time. Good fun. Five times in San Francisco.

1:49:40BubblemanOh yeah, that's funny. A funny old picture of me and Marble Slinger from 20 years ago sent to me. We look pretty darn young wearing our bubble bag shirts 17 years ago, 18 years ago. I would say it was at Mark Emery's Toker's Bowl, which I have to say back then at the time were some of the best cannabis gatherings I'd ever gone to. I was like, damn, Mark knows how to do it.

1:50:05BubblemanThis is proper. Quite fun gatherings. It just was such a neat feeling always to be able to... You know, there's also an importance, I think, one of the main reasons why it's so hard for people like Forrest to have to learn about all this through a sick child, try and funnel through all the education and meet the right people and learn about what you really need to learn about.

1:50:32BubblemanIt's very difficult in that sense to... Shit, lost my train of thought again.

1:50:38SpeakerDamn, that eight day delay. What are you smoking? Because I would like a little.

1:50:45BubblemanDude, I'm smoking some strawberry banana, some of that pine tar kush dry sift.

1:50:51SpeakerI know, I know. I was like thinking I'm on. Oh, you know what I was going to say?

1:50:55BubblemanI was going to bring it back to the sort of importance of normalization. Why it's so difficult for people to have to learn about, you know, this through a sick child is because there is not enough normalization of cannabis use and that it's still looked at by certain, you know, facets of society as like, oh my God, like, What do you mean you're going to smoke and then get in a vehicle and drive?

1:51:18BubblemanYou can't do that. It's like, oh, trust me, if I couldn't, I wouldn't.

1:51:24SpeakerJust point to X Games, you know? Just point to X Games. Watch the guy doing the back flip on the dirt bike. Just did a bong hit, it turns out.

1:51:35BubblemanIt's true enough. Just watch the X Games. That's pretty good.

1:51:41SpeakerI think that normalization is just because, you know, it's still... It's amazing how entrenched in our society is just this old rhetoric is, you know. We had my daughter came home upset because they had a huge thing in class about how cannabis was just as addictive as heroin and all these other things. And that, you know, dad, is this true is what we're doing because we're really open in our work with her brother and things like that.

1:52:07SpeakerBut it's just entrenched in our society. So sending off a whole bunch of information to the teacher about where its addiction level is much closer to sugar than heroin and dealing with some of those sort of facts and sending science out. Within two days, he got back to me and said, hey, we talked with our board and the principal would like you to come out and do a class for the kids on medicine and education.

1:52:30BubblemanThat's awesome, dude. That's right there.

1:52:32SpeakerThose are the sort of steps. It's just constant. It's just a constant battle. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:52:56SpeakerWell, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. I mean, I come from the school of thought that the reason cannabis got its mistaken reputation for a gateway drug is because of that bad information. You know, if you tell kids from day one there's no difference between heroin and crack and cocaine and cannabis, and eventually as they grow up they're going to have an experience with cannabis, typically first, then they're going to try that and say, well, that was bullshit.

1:53:24SpeakerThis is harmless, right? So all this other information I must have gotten must be bullshit and harmless as well. And I think it leads people to be a little more open to try things maybe that they wouldn't have because they were just given bad information from the beginning. And if we teach people that there's no difference between meth and All of these people are going to say, well, let's try some of those other things and see if I was lied to about that as well.

1:53:49SpeakerAnd again, that's not the plant's fault. That's the people behind it. Well, this is why D.A.R.E. was pulled out a lot of classrooms and thought of, I think, as being a bad idea. Obviously, exposing kids to things that they wouldn't have had in the stream of thoughts is not exactly the best thing. You know, I blame the propaganda of the drug war going way back because, you know, these people, you know, I hate to say that I think it was contrived.

1:54:18SpeakerBut when you look back, I mean, I don't believe that they thought the damage they were going to do maybe was what was going to happen. But even when they saw the damage happening and they saw the repercussions of their stupid policies, you know, going into classrooms, teaching their kids stupid shit, they continued to do it, which is the part that really bothers me. I mean, you know.

1:54:38SpeakerI wonder how many cities still allow Dare to go on. Yeah, I don't know. What I heard out of my own kid's school recently made me concerned that it's not as gone as I would like it to be. Well, I almost wonder if because of how embarrassing it was, they don't do it overtly anymore, but they do it covertly. You know, my mom, when I was a little kid, she was like, we went through this shit.

1:55:04SpeakerShe held up a little pipe. She goes, well, honey, what is this? I said, it's a bong. She said, no, you don't know what it is. You've never seen it before. Okay, next. Hold up, Roland. What is this? Oh, those are Easy Widers. No, you've never seen them before. You have no idea what they are. We're a team and they're against us. And I was like, wow, mom, that's deep.

1:55:27SpeakerAnd you know what? This shit started for me when I was like kindergarten because she was totally, I think, you know, like a stoner, paranoid that I was going to go home and be like, you know, go to school and be like, oh, yeah, my mommy has a bong. My mommy has joints. And she was like, hell no, kid. And I think it was a good path to take because it taught me, it really taught me more of what the world was really going to be like instead of lying to me and setting me up for a big disappointment and thinking that everybody was good and honest.

1:55:57BubblemanYeah, you'd think that they would have a counter program called truth and just have people come out and tell exactly, like have someone come out and be like, you know what, when someone tries to talk to you about something about your parents and you feel they're trying to get them in trouble, you just ignore that person because your loyalty is to your parents always and your family.

1:56:13BubblemanTeach them like these sort of core things and teach them the truth about the things that you're actually lying to them about because I would take truth over dare any day.

1:56:24SpeakerYeah you know it was funny a friend you know who everybody knows whatever Woody Harrelson a long time ago we were smoking pot and playing pool and his little daughter ran in and a woman who had never been around us before tried to stop the kid and say your daddy's smoking a cigarette and his daughter looked up and said my daddy don't smoke cigarettes he only smokes joints and totally stunned the lady and ran around her and comes up and makes a big laugh about it and You know, when the lady came up and asked him later, you know, you let your kid know you smoke pot.

1:56:55SpeakerAnd he goes, you know, as a parent, I'm faced with either lying to my child and having them come of age and find out I've been lying to them their whole life or being honest with them and always being honest with them. And hopefully they will accept me for who and what I am. And I thought that was such a great way to put it. And I always respected him a little more for that.

1:57:17SpeakerAnd this kid grew up to be spectacular human beings, of course. You know, so I've always believed honesty was the best policy. My mom, I think, really instilled that into me at a very young age. And, you know, obviously in a way she's teaching me, you know, this is not a lighter and to be dishonest to the teachers. But in a sense, she also taught me, she sat me down and explained so much more to me than maybe a little kid should have had to really understand.

1:57:43SpeakerBut she didn't want to make me think that, You know, you're being bad not letting them know that that mommy has Easy Widers at home, but it was important. And, you know, when you read about the drug war and all the families and the kids that inadvertently knocked out their parents without knowing better, it's really sad that their parents didn't sit down and have those honest talks with them too.

1:58:07SpeakerYeah. Yeah, that's something we do a lot. We do a lot here because I'm so heavily entrenched in cannabis, and specifically in cannabis and children, which is not something that everyone's commonly tying together. I mean, our whole work is making sure children have access to cannabis. Now, obviously, that's sick children who need it with rare diseases, not just handing it out on the street corner. But that's something, you know, when your daughter is young, how do you...

1:58:37SpeakerHow do you teach such a complex issue to kids who are so young? And really it's just, I firmly believe it's just having an honest discussion. It's being honest. Don't you think that it's going to be parents like you and my mom and others that are having these, you know, epiphany style events in their life with their kids where, you know, No one's going to come in and tell you different.

1:58:56SpeakerYou're living the experience, you know? And how many people are going to have this and we're going to see them get to a point where they're just as comfortable with our kids getting a cannabinoid pill as they are Ritalin in the middle of the day from their school doctor. And I mean, I think it's just the psychology of medicine that is working against or with us here because there's such an acceptance for synthetics, you know?

1:59:19SpeakerThey'll think nothing of... Give my kid whatever it was prescribed during the day. That's what the doctor said, and I'm off to work. Why should that not be cannabis or something that could really calm a kid down, help the kid focus? I believe that as we learn to understand our endocannabinoid system way better, that cannabis will become just one of those other drugs that the school nurse passes out during the day.

1:59:44SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

2:00:11SpeakerI don't think people realize that we already give kids medicinal heroines and opioids. And if you were to lay those out, if you were to give, you know, and we have talks where we'd say, you know, if you were to want to have to have something help your child, would you prefer it be methamphetamine, heroin, or a cannabinoid? And a lot of the crowds respond, well, that's crazy.

2:00:32SpeakerNo one would give meth to a child. It's like, well... I beg to differ. Let's talk about what Adderall is. Let's look at its molecular construction. Absolutely, we give meth to children. Absolutely, we give these other heavy narcotics to children. So let's just put it in context. I think there's just some dissociation where if it comes from a guy in a lab coat, Thank you for watching.

2:01:08SpeakerWhen we got our first prescription for phenobarbital for my son, I knew right away that this was something that was not okay. You know, this is not something that is this good, even if it is a life or death situation, that cannot be the only option. Yet most folks don't realize the drugs that they're giving their kids are medicinal versions of drugs far more toxic and dangerous than cannabis.

2:01:30BubblemanYeah, and they'll give it to these kids at a very, very young age. Some of these powerful things like benzos, which have intense withdrawal syndromes and are not easy to get off of.

2:01:42SpeakerIt's definitely bizarre. Yeah, you want to see a kid get high, and I've seen kids get high. Give them a good six milligram rectal shot of diastat, which is a heavy benzo. That's getting kids high. Give them heavy shots of phenobarbital for months on end. That's getting kids high. I work with parents and have been one where we end up having to call Thank you for joining us.

2:02:27SpeakerYou know, they just, they won't even talk to you to be considering giving those sort of drugs to children. And they don't want to say, I'm not, I didn't do this as some sort of freak experiment. I was given this from our doctor. You know, it's just, there's just a real lack of understanding what we're really doing as far as safe pharmaceutical medicinal treatments. It's interesting you say that because you know I always it turned my mom into being like a you know an amateur doctor herself because trying to learn everything and learn you know how to how to become part of my healing process was what my mom really wanted to be part of because she felt like the doctors were failing

2:03:09SpeakerI think a lot of people are getting to that point where they're kind of trying to learn how to self-medicate themselves with cannabis for whatever it is life is messing with them over, you know.

2:03:25SpeakerHey, can I bring this up too? You know, this, uh, I was reading this, this story's a couple years old, but I was just, you know, looking up some stuff and, uh, about, uh, hypermesis, the syndrome where people are, you know, supposedly getting sick over cannabis. And this article, I posted it in our chat, but, you know, they're talking about azotrol and, um, And the other one was Azamax, which are organic pesticides that are really, really, really pushed in almost all grow shops.

2:03:57SpeakerI mean, they sell like crazy. And if this is true, that you're getting into this as it being a pesticide poisoning, I think it's really something worth chatting about. And I was wondering if anybody, especially you, Scaldone, This is something you bumped into yet, bro, because it seems like...

2:04:32SpeakerSo-called 15B list, I think that's the accurate name or number of the list, but these are what are called minimum risk pesticides. Most of them are natural oils and extracts and whatnot. I don't know about this particular poisoning though. I think that there's a few things that might be causing this thing in... I'm not sure that it's specifically due to this stuff. It's not long lived. I don't know if it's systemic, but it's something that, again, if you're applying it Thank you for joining us.

2:05:44SpeakerI've heard that someone out there actually intentionally dosed weed with neem oil to look to see when that weed would get them feeling like they actually would throw up. I don't recommend doing this at home. Neem will make you get sick. There's no question about it. It's a hormone. I think applying it to a plant and then looking for some acute effect is not what we're talking about here.

2:06:18SpeakerWhat we're talking about here is applying it sometime during the growth and then whether or not there's still residuals that could be responsible for this hyperemesis effect or not. Interestingly enough, in the article that I cited to you guys in the chat room there, he actually talks about exposing himself to it and feeling like he got sick and giving it a test because he was starting to feel like it could be these organic natural pesticides.

2:06:46SpeakerAnd that's kind of what hit me because we only have ourselves to experiment on. Right. You know, Sasha Sheldon was famous. Yeah, but just applying Neem oil to yourself is just not the right, No, he's not using Neem. No, well, Neem's a different conversation, but in this article that I just sent you, he actually talks about putting Azomax and Azotrol on his plants and feeling sick and stuff, so he was trying to see if he could replicate how he felt because Look, I have a hard time believing that it's pure cannabis causing people to get sick because if it was pure cannabis with the amount of people who use cannabis worldwide, we would see more of it.

2:07:24SpeakerIt would be more prevalent. That's right. Absolutely. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:07:43SpeakerWho knows what drugs they're on. And if you're on XYZ drug and you suddenly get exposed to this, suddenly you're puking here at the ER, I can buy that. And this stuff is commonly used. I mean, I've been growing a long time and I can honestly say Azomax and Azotrol are everywhere. Anybody watching in the chat that goes into a grow store is going to be like, yeah, yeah, always see it.

2:08:04SpeakerAnd if that's the case... I'm not surprised that these things are popping up more and more because now that more and more people are growing, more and more people are trying to protect their investments to bring the crop home. This shit's going to disappear to them as soon as they sell it, and there's not enough of them that are actually regulated, that are in a situation where if their pot is tainted, they will get recalled.

2:08:30BubblemanExactly, which we just had here in Canada and all the people on the dispensary side of the argument, which is insane because there's no really sides, it's an illusion, are like, see, see, they're selling toxic weed. And it's like, no, no, the thing to look at is, see, see, they got caught and they have to recall it. That's the thing to look at. It's not about, and of course, now you're able to not support that company if you so choose to, you know, but that's why these regulations are in place in the first place to protect people from companies or individuals that would try to protect their own investment.

2:09:03BubblemanGod forbid, you know, that people do that shit all the time and they spray something that they shouldn't be or they, you know, then you're going to get caught here in the federal system.

2:09:13SpeakerYou're going to get caught and that's why it's. Let me say, this is something, when you say that, Mark, this is the alternative to what you shouldn't spray because these things are listed as OMAI, organic and everything. This is the scary part to me is that this is sold as the organic alternative. This is sold as, don't use Avid, use this. And this is, if this is true, this is shitty.

2:09:35SpeakerBecause this is, we're getting bad information stemming from the people that are giving us advice over the counter when we're buying this. And if most of the people walking in are not, you know, haven't been growing wheat for 25 frigging years, they're asking advice. And when they ask advice and somebody goes, here's your solution, shit. That's why I bring it up.

2:09:56BubblemanYeah, for sure.

2:09:58SpeakerWell, I mean, it makes sense to me. I mean, I've looked at it quite a bit because it's something that I wanted to be up on in working with the kids that we're working with. And if you look at the metabolism rate of certain pesticides and cannabis, the symptoms of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome make total sense for it to be Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:36SpeakerWe're going to talk a little bit more about cannabinoids. Cannabinoids are a type of substance that's used in the body for a long period of time. Cannabinoids are a type of substance that's used in the body for a long period of time.

2:11:02SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:11:26SpeakerPesticide poisoning and do some studies on them. So I'm hoping within a year or two we can really get definitive answers to what's going on. But it really makes, when I read the kind of anecdotal study that that guy did, you know, of trying getting this cannabis tested and trying it without these other compounds and his hypermesis syndrome went away, it made perfect sense to me. And looking at the description of what they're going through It just sounds like, you know, it absolutely makes sense that these people are just getting other sort of, they have a sensitivity to some of these compounds and it's building up in their system because of their use.

2:12:04SpeakerWhat we're all seeing is, you know, in the meat and dairy industry, one of the things that are criticized most is preventive use of antibiotics. They don't use, no longer use them to treat an affected cow or animal. They preventively dose these things, which is putting it into our system. And you see growers doing this too. You see them using these chemicals in perfectly healthy crops because they think that it's part of the preventive maintenance program that they've developed in their fucking head.

2:12:34SpeakerSo they pre-poison the plants so they won't have problems. And those people need to really kind of be someone that... There's to me so much bad information when it comes to growing, especially large scale. The larger the scale, the larger the problems if you start to have them. People start looking for massive solutions. Again, I think that unfortunately it goes unseen when we buy our cannabis and we're exposed to chemicals that we probably wouldn't have used in our own garden.

2:13:07SpeakerI think one of the real challenges that are happening with pesticides and various controls for pests in cannabis is that most of the organic certifications aren't done on crops that are being concentrated and made into oils or vaporized and inhaled. And these chemicals that like neem, when you heat it, you're getting different compounds than what neem is straight up. People have used neem for thousands of years in India to keep lice off their heads, for example.

2:13:43SpeakerBut it is a hormone disruptor. It's really hard on insects. That's why it's a good control. In our work here, we don't use it anywhere except in the nursery. Because I feel like that's a plenty enough time that by the end product is done, there's not going to be any residue or build up in the plant material. I really don't trust. Can I just say this though?

2:14:09SpeakerI don't encourage people to take that theory because you do have systemic, you do have carryover and with now, especially when you grow sea of green, you got to realize that the life cycle of a plant isn't what it is when it's outdoors. I mean, you can, you know, positronics in Amsterdam, you know, we cut the clones two weeks later, they'd have roots two weeks after veg, we'd pop Thank you so much for joining us.

2:14:52SpeakerAre doing this. I mean, you can, you know, there's the Jungle Boys on Instagram. You know, they're just, they're popping clones in. They're going, you know, 17, 20 days, popping them in the flower. You know, eight weeks later, they're finished. And this is more common than not when it comes to cultivation. The outdoor guys are kind of becoming, you know, they do their thing too. But in indoor cultivation, your turnover time is so rapid.

2:15:15SpeakerYeah. No, I used to do indoor cultivation, but now it's all outdoor. And I am not able to do much of it these days with the local regulations. But in the time that I have worked outdoors, I'm really stunned at how finding the right cultivars for the conditions that you have Thank you so much for joining us.

2:16:00SpeakerYeah, the right plants don't seem to be bothered by bugs. I know how to find them. Pests and diseases is one of my Bibles, and it's very helpful. But yeah, because of working with patients so many years, I know most of the end users of the plant material that I've made over the years. And I didn't want to take a chance on any of them being compromised by anything that I could put on the plants.

2:16:30SpeakerSo I had to learn how, especially outdoors, there are cultivars of any of the different things that you're looking for in terms of cannabinoids and terpenes that Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:17:07SpeakerIonized water as a preventive medicine that is in a sense not harmful or going to have a lingering effect. And you can also use the machine to drink high alkaline water and it's good for you too. But I think that now that we're able to use electrolysis and separate acidic and alkaline in the flow of water, We may be able to step away from our use of many of the chemicals, buffers, you know, potassium salts and common organic items that we used to use because we simply won't have to.

2:17:40SpeakerI love that line of thought. I think water is a really essential component. It is, that is the foliar spray I use. Basically, it's different types of water.

2:17:54SpeakerYeah, I'd love to learn more about it. You know, we used to use chemicals to raise or lower our pH. You know, when you were using a garden, you put a little acid and it would lower your pH level. But now, they're actually passing the water over titanium plates using electricity and they use electrolysis. And you can look up the models online. You have little digital readouts.

2:18:17SpeakerYou can pick your pH and then you can actually have two faucets. One faucet is acidic, one faucet is alkaline. And if you go look a little further, you'll see that there are even hotels in Los Angeles that switched away from chemicals and were using acidic water to clean up any bacteria and to disinfect. And they were using high alkaline water to degrease. So they moved away from chemicals and they were just using waters to clean and disinfect.

2:18:45SpeakerAnd you can do that too. I mean, these machines are, they're becoming more common as people understand it better. And for me being a kid, you know, one of the first lessons in, you know, Mel Frank's grow book was about pH-ing your water correctly. And I always kind of wondered why we didn't pH our bodies, you know, like why there was no consideration in our pH of food.

2:19:06SpeakerAnd I looked at Coca-Cola, how acidic it was, and I was thinking this can't be. It'll leave nails. I wouldn't pour this on my plant. What the fuck am I doing, you know? So because I had to feed plants, it kind of, it's what kind of caused me to look at how I feed myself, thankfully, you know, but. If you have any questions, you can always hit me up privately.

2:19:28SpeakerI'd be happy to talk to you about water. Blessings. I think it's a really essential part of what we're doing. I've really started thinking of cannabis more and more as a nutraceutical, an actual essential nutrient that we're missing from our diets. I've actually, in my own head, taken it to the point where I think We evolved to benefit from this plant and this plant evolved to benefit us.

2:19:59SpeakerEvery year we created new versions of it and the tribes of people who ate those seeds a thousand generations of humans ago got the benefit of the omega-3s which are brain food and the protein that's in the seeds. And I think it's quite likely Jack Carrere has suggested, I believe, that it might have taught us agriculture because any of those seeds that happen to spill out of your hand and fall to the ground in the right circumstance would sprout and make new seeds.

2:20:30SpeakerFood. It wasn't easy to find food 1,000 generations of humans ago. And four generations of humans ago, we started making it harder and harder to get access to it.

2:20:44SpeakerYeah, I do. I think of it as an essential nutrient that we've deprived ourselves of. And I do think this hyperemesis thing is toxins that have come to be associated with our efforts to control pests in cannabis. And for years, we've made Many of the folks who have worked with cannabis have made fairly unskillful attempts at controlling pests that show up. And much like in the agricultural industry, we're breeding bugs that are resistant to antibiotics, we're breeding bugs that are resistant to the controls that have been used in cannabis.

2:21:23SpeakerWe're creating new generations of critters. We've already done that. We've got super spider mites now. What's that? We've already done it. We have super spider mites now. I mean, there's no question that we've already grown a lot of bugs that are very accustomed, and this is why we're seeing more and more of these Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:22:10BubblemanYeah, that definitely sounds like a living nightmare. What would you do in these cases, Sam?

2:22:20BubblemanSam, I am the only guy in the room who's grown giant fields.

2:22:27SpeakerI hate to tell you, but I'm actually the one who brought the first broad mite to California. His name was Floyd, and I had him in a little tiny bottle.

2:22:43SpeakerI told everybody, come on, give me half of your money off of cannabis or I'm going to release him. They refused, so I let him go. Well, his offspring has been in our neighborhood.

2:22:57SpeakerLloyd.

2:22:59Etienne FontanFloyd! Speaking of Floyd, an interesting thing came out today from the state. The regulatory costs of the Medical Cannabis Safety Act is estimated to run between $225 and $873 per pound. That looks to be the actual testing that the state's going to actually do.

2:23:22Etienne FontanThis doesn't include taxes, and it doesn't include the Prop 64 cultivation tax, which is $148 a pound. So it'd be interesting to see what actually transpires there, but this came out today, so I figured people might want that information. So it's looking to be, yeah, between $225 and $875 per pound tax.

2:23:49Etienne FontanProbably testing for the state.

2:23:53SpeakerJust to certify that it's free of pesticides. I can understand if a grower only submits a pound, but what happens if he submits 1,000 pounds identically grown?

2:24:07Etienne FontanStay tuned. This one's still writing itself.

2:24:12BubblemanThat's a serious bill if they just do the old multiplication. Wow, we'll just multiply that by 1,000 and you owe... $75,000.

2:24:21SpeakerYeah, but if all thousand pounds are truly, truly identical, it doesn't seem quite right.

2:24:31BubblemanYeah, well, maybe they could test them all, and if they turned out all identical, you don't get charged.

2:24:37SpeakerI just wonder how realiztic implementation is really going to be in California on so many levels. The state is huge. It's going to be super expensive. They're going to need a ton of humans, actual humans. But it must be in place for other things in the state. I want to test odds. I want to test odds. Yeah. Well, that's a lot of the work that I'm doing as a patient advocate is funneled and focused on that regulation in California because there are absolutely ridiculous requirements like the ones you mentioned and some others with some of their taxing requirements and how they tax things.

2:25:12SpeakerBut I'm meeting with Lori Ajax, who's the head of the Bureau of Medical Cannabis Regulation here in California, who's been charged with setting Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:25:48SpeakerI hear you guys. So I'm getting up there on the front lines trying to help influence that. I did a great lecture for the, what was it? Environmental Health Society, like environmental health. The health regulators. Regulators here in California for all the counties. It was the opening speaker to a three-day talk they did in Sacramento to try to help Just gives put some sense into how these regulations are being put forth.

2:26:15SpeakerSo that's just on California level. But, you know, I'm hoping that we can have some influence, you know, our people and the kids that we work with can have some influence to help make some of these regulations a little more sane and benefit everybody in the process. What is your personal opinion? Do you think anybody who sells this materials for a profit or not, if they're selling it, shouldn't they be regulated?

2:26:44SpeakerWell, yeah, yeah, I think there's a, unfortunately, there's a need for some level of regulation. But it's got to be, you know, it's one of those things where we tend to think in very black and white. We either want the old west not regulated, which has proven, unfortunately, to be not safe, because when Eagle 20 starts popping up and other things start popping up, concentrated in medicines, it's dangerous.

2:27:06SpeakerAnd unfortunately, there are people out there that will do that. But at the same time, we don't want some sort of utopian regulation that makes no sense in the real world. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:27:34SpeakerWe want to be above water, right? We want to be legal. We want to not have to be looking over our shoulders. We want to succeed in what, you know, in the next, in this next form of cannabis in society. But it's got to be realiztic, you know? And right now, a lot of these requirements are not, they don't play out well in the real world. And then people just say, screw it, and they're going to do what we've always done.

2:27:54SpeakerSo, you know, it's really... You know, it's much more complex of an issue for me than do we regulate or not regulate. Of course, we need safety standards in place. We need some regulation in place. You know, I don't know if you guys saw the report out of UC Davis here in California where they had an... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:28:40SpeakerBecause they're not allowed to, again, the ridiculousness of it, UC Davis, some of the best labs in the country, weren't allowed to do their own testing, so they had to work with Steep Hill, and they found the specific fungus on 90% of the samples that they tested. I think some of those things, depending on the normal everyday user, probably wouldn't be affected by those things, but when we start to understand Thank you for joining us.

2:29:21SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:29:38SpeakerSo I don't think that, I think producers have to kind of get to that point of responsibility and realizing that they have to be held accountable for the products they're using and they're putting out because that's the whole, that's agriculture. That's how this system works. And if you want to be insulated and not have to fear going to prison or having the man come and show up and steal your shit and put your kids away, you know, then you have to deal with regulation and accountability.

2:30:06SpeakerIt's just the only practical thing. They should be able to make organic marijuana and label it as thus, and they should be able to produce, you know, swag commercial marijuana where there might be some sort of little bits of traces of something on it, like commercial vegetables in the grocery store. Yeah, a grading system makes perfect sense there. As long as the customer knows what they're getting, that's what's kosher.

2:30:34SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:30:55SpeakerYou know, because that is listed as an organic certified product, so fucking shit on us consumers a little more, you know? I think cannabis really needs medical standards, which would be more strict than organic, where we're really talking, if it's going to be sold as medicine, it really needs to be to the strictest possible standards of cleanliness, purity, and quality. Like Forrest was saying, you can't take a chance that you're going to potentially harm some of the weakest.

2:31:31SpeakerSo those are regulations that are necessary. And then we look into regulations that are more damaging than good, which is, you know, in California, we have almost an 80% tax on leaf, right? It's like somewhere around $44 a pound. It works out to that I've sat into, you know, that would make, you know, so say, for example, we had a farm who wanted, it was organic or clean green, whatever you want to call it, hopefully even higher standards and clean green.

2:31:55SpeakerAnd then they want to donate their machine trim to a, uh, Thank you for joining us.

2:32:20SpeakerI think those sort of things need to be addressed. I think that's a regulation that can potentially, one, do more harm than good because it's ridiculous. It's more of a higher tax rate than on the flower itself. But just the fact that it's... I hope they're not using percentages instead of not actual dollar numbers because it sounds like the state is as guilty as using, you know, yesterday's prohibitionary profits for their basis as the, you know, growers wanting to move forward with big dreams.

2:32:44SpeakerIt should be a percentage of the sale. It shouldn't be like 9% sales tax. We don't pay $100 on whatever the fuck it is, a 99 cent lighter. $44 on what would be a 99 cent lighter. And that's where I feel like that's a little screwy. And why don't they implement percentages instead of dollar denominations? Well, it was screwier than that before a lot of the, I mean, a lot of the lobbying has been, we've been doing a lot of lobbying at the state level along with California Growers Association and other organizations to deal with the harvest tax.

2:33:18SpeakerI mean, that one was even crazier here in California. I don't know if you guys saw that where it was a dollar percentage per pound or a dollar amount per pound. It was like $9 or something like that. Harvest tax. $9 an ounce. Okay, the second that it was cut. So on wet weight, right, you don't know if it's clean, hasn't been tested yet. You don't even know if it can go to market.

2:33:39SpeakerAnd the second it's cut, you're supposed to weigh and have this tax it harvests, you know. So there really has been, there was a lot just voted on in our alma, Prop 64, that it just made no sense. And then we're having to go back and try and change as much of it as we can. With the harvest tax, you can change it. Thank you for joining us.

2:34:25SpeakerIt's too much of a change for it to be fixed in the house. It has to go back to another vote in order to fix some of these things. So it's complicated and it's a mess, but hopefully we can get it done. When I lived in Holland, when I was dating a girl that went to the University of Amsterdam and we were talking about the sociology around legal prostitution and one of the reasons that the Dutch government Thank you for joining us.

2:35:15SpeakerThese politicians get greedy. They're just going to foster an underground economy that has existed and flourished for decades and knows how to operate. So the only way that this whole community is going to come out and actually interact is if the interaction is fair to them. Right. Or they're going to resist it. I mean, people in the room saying, fuck all this. I won't pay that. And I feel it.

2:35:38SpeakerYou know, I come from New England. What do we learn in school when we're little kids? You know, no taxation, no representation, you know, and the whole, the fucking, you know. We've learned tax resistance and what it was implemented for because it was like part of how we all got our shit together back in the day. But it's almost kind of happening again with cannabis because here they're coming along and saying 44 bucks on something that might cost $4.

2:36:04SpeakerRight, right. And it's obnoxious. And when are we going to get to a point of cost of production around cannabis? Because when we do, I mean, I was reading somewhere it said lettuce is 15 cents a pound or whatever. I mean, why the fuck should cannabis be any different? They grow in about the same amount of time in the same conditions. If lettuce was prohibited, it'd probably be a lot more expensive.

2:36:32SpeakerRight, but I think that the politicians shouldn't be, you know, salivating over 1990s prices and thinking they're going to get a piece of a $400 ounce of pot when that, you know, the pound of pot shouldn't even cost $400. In a sense, related to lettuce, it should maybe cost less than $10 a pound. Yeah. Thank you for watching.

2:37:08SpeakerYeah, and that's, you know, that's the problem. And if they don't make something that makes sense, everyone's going to go back into the underground market. And for a lot of areas, that's not a problem. But when you get into, again, you know, medicine and the need for certain types of regulation, people forced back into the black market or forced to Some of the companies I talked about earlier in the show that I think are, you know, you force them into their arms, which they're kind of wolves in sheep's clothing that look like they're your saviors, but I really have strong opinions that they're not good for the community.

2:37:40SpeakerYou know, this is a problem. So that's where advocacy at the state level and us working at the state level to help Find regulations that make sense from the point of the most fragile in our community, I think can help benefit everybody. Because if we can take care of that, we can develop a system that I think everyone can function in, in my opinion. Me, you know, I think low-cost cannabis available to the masses could be the best thing that could happen to society because, I mean, we are in a minority experiencing very positive effects from being, you know, brave enough to use cannabis or lucky enough to be exposed to cannabis and, you know, think of how many more people would benefit if they didn't have to go through the stigma or the bravery or the courage.

2:38:28SpeakerThey could just go and pick up, you know, a can of canned cannabis, bring it home and You're here. Yes. Yes.

2:38:59BubblemanAgreed on my side as well. I'm just actually really loving the effects of cannabis this afternoon, this morning, just eight days off and going hard, going hard. Hashtag episode 131. As always, we've got about 750 people watching live right now. Hello, everybody. Hope you're having a good day. Hope you're enjoying the conversation as we discuss all things cannabis. And yeah, getting into some deep conversations. I also wonder though if there's, you know, and I'm not asking you to, you know, tell us what company it was, but there has got to be a point where these companies get put on blast and people get to know what their name is because it's, how else are people to know?

2:39:48BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:40:07BubblemanWhat do you do? What do you do?

2:40:09SpeakerWell, I call them out online personally, but then, you know, they tend to block you and make sure that they can limit information to their people, and that's kind of how they work, you know. I figure if someone has to go back and erase everything they put out online, they know that they were in the wrong if they continue to do it, and... You know, in our pages on our website, we're happy to put some of those folks on blast.

2:40:35SpeakerI think it needs to happen. I mean, to our parents, when I work with parents and education of parents who are trying to figure out what's right for their kids, I'm very blunt. I'm saying, look at the behavior. Here's what you see. Here's why it's done. Here's why it's more profitable if they sell it to you this way. And this is why education is just... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:14SpeakerYou know, for us to be able to then give free consultations to parents, I do about three a day, seven days a week, to be able to answer questions, teach them about the science, teach them about the best way to approach dealing with them, and teach them how to look at products and know what they're looking at, just the simple things. I mean, these are parents who are so vulnerable that they don't understand that concentration is different from ratio, right?

2:41:40SpeakerSo they pay... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:42:07SpeakerPeople, here's what information needs to be on the label. Here's the information we're training people to look for while they're, when they're going out to look for products. So it's just, we just have a long way to go to help bring up the standard of what we're doing. And, you know, we're going to get there. We're going to get there. It's just, I think we need people fighting the good fight along the way.

2:42:27SpeakerAnd luckily for every person that I see being what I would consider disingenuous, dishonest, or just manipulative, There's 10 who are not, you know. He is, there are a lot of people out there who just want cannabis to reach its full potential for social good. There are a lot of people out there who care about helping people in their community. So I really think it's a minority, but unfortunately the stakes are so high, we have no choice but to call them out when we have to or really make sure people are at least aware that it's going on.

2:43:02Etienne FontanWell, just make sure your lawyer okays that before you go on air with it so that you don't hurt yourself.

2:43:09SpeakerSure, sure, sure. Well, yeah. This has definitely been an uphill battle the whole time I've seen it. I've always thought education was the key to our freedom. You know, really what it's all about is us being responsible for educating our neighbors and kind of turning them on to the information that we are already exposed to

2:43:34BubblemanWell, it's nothing new to the community. You know, there's always been people in the community well before the sort of legal aspect of things for medicinal came into play. There were people who were trying to sell their herb for absolutely as much as they could. You know, if they could get $10,000 for a pound, they would have sold it for $10,000 a pound. And so it's kind of like the same sort of, you know, everyone likes to make a lot of money, but then it gets sort of twisted to the point where it's on that scale and now you're actually producing that kind of profit from suffering from people who are really in need.

2:44:10BubblemanIt's a fine line, you know, because like Sam says, there's a lot of work that goes into breeding and the people who are studying and doing the research and the developing of new strains through facilities and breeding and years of work. Thank you for joining us.

2:44:42SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:45:09SpeakerWhat does it say? It says 53 grams hemp extract per 0.6 ml. You know, what the hell does that mean? You know, who's going to be able to do it? So the problem is that's not an accident. That is so that people don't know what they're getting so that they have to continue to come back and use those things. Say, for example, if they can't afford it or they don't want them to go, realize that they can probably find other products that have the same dosages, have the same things.

2:45:36SpeakerYou know, that's not an accident. So, you know, that sort of practice to me might seem innocent on the surface, but... You know, as I've said, and I won't repeat it anymore, I find it to be very distasteful. And, you know, there's a difference there. You can have your proprietary strain and say, we have bred it to be high in these things, and we've found this excellent balance.

2:45:57SpeakerBut you should at least know how to dose your child or yourself. And by know how to dose, that's milligrams per milliliter or per drop or per 0.5 ml or however they want to lay it out. Thank you for watching.

2:46:29SpeakerWe have holding information is pretty common. Unfortunately, you know, look at Coca-Cola and other things that won't release their recipes. But at the same time, from withholding the amounts of terpenes and cannabinoids just seems so shitty, especially, you know, but it also. You know, and not that we all have the ability to do it, but parents can go to testing facilities themselves and actually get stuff tested once they procure it and make sure that, because I, you know, I've seen the articles on in Colorado where the news cameras went around and actually Didn't get the same results that they had on the actual labels.

2:47:14SpeakerSo there's a lot of disingenuous reporting happening even in the testing industry when people are putting labels that may not actually reflect what's the contents. Yeah, you know, that's, and we do the same thing there. I test all of them just because I'm curious, you know, but I think when it comes to regulation, you know, I think that that should be a requirement. You shouldn't be able to sell an oil or a suspension without having the concentration on it because If you're paying $300 for something that has a total of 50 milligrams in the whole bottle, you don't even know if you're getting your money's worth for what you're buying.

2:47:52SpeakerYou have to be able to make educated decisions as a consumer. You can't do that, one, unless you know what to look for, and two, the companies have some sort of requirement to at least put what's in it. Somewhere on that label. And I know that that's not the case now, but it might not be popular in all circles, but I think that's something that's really important to happen.

2:48:14SpeakerIt's definitely something we're going to campaign for. It's just not to give away all your secrets, but to just have some basic information as to what is in the product so that people can make educated decisions. Because if you don't, people can get hurt. In a situation like BPG where they take their extracts and their buds and they test them independently of the grower because the city requires them to, they are putting truthful information on every label because they're not attached to that information.

2:48:44SpeakerIt just comes back. It is what it is. They print the label. They give it an item number and they put it on the shelf once they know it's clean. You know, that's kind of what I think we're going to see more of, especially if we get into a situation where more of the middlemen, like in a sense BPG becomes working with the city of Berkeley and adhering to their regulations, it will be for the consumer because, you know, now they will have protections of an independent test that comes in and isn't the grower that's like sitting there hoping that they pass the test.

2:49:16SpeakerIt's just some middle person that says, hey, Your stuff is good or you got to come pick it up. Either way, they don't care. It's just another day in their course of business.

2:49:31Etienne FontanWell, we look forward to that too, because being the ones that are setting the standard has been very costly and expensive. And other people have been allowed to go and take their cannabis elsewhere. And I'm not sure if the, and I need to read into these regulations further to find out if the state is going to destroy it, if it actually fails tests in the future or not.

2:49:53Etienne FontanSo your potential to lose your investment due to bad growing could be exponential. Thank you for joining us.

2:50:22SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:50:45Etienne FontanAnd we as dispensaries had that initial, you know, question early on. Do we buy the machine and have and tested ourselves in-house or do we third party independently test it? And that's why we always want with third party independent testing, because we never wanted to be accused of the fox watching the hen house, which is easy to do. And so by having an independent lab and scientists and let science decide it, We wash our hands of it.

2:51:14Etienne FontanIt is literally, as you stated, it's just matter of fact business. It's science is science. It is replicatable. So if that that's why we also send extra cannabis with tests. So if something does fail, we have a backup of that representation. So that is put through again through that test. And if that test secondary fails. That's it. We've got a secondary backup that proves that the science is valid and that your product does not pass muster.

2:51:45Etienne FontanAnd currently it's just returned to them. However, with the state and with the distributor setup, we're not sure how the distributors are going to handle it. I just quoted you the numbers of what they're just cost wise, but we still don't know all the different, the depths of this onion yet.

2:52:05SpeakerIt's going to be pretty costly to make mistakes in the future is the reality. If you actually go ahead and think you're going to slide under the radar, you're not. And I think that that will be a good thing because in the same regard, I don't want to buy little Debbie Brownies, not that I ever do, but I don't want to buy the things laden with pesticides just because it was easier to kick them out the door.

2:52:26SpeakerYou know, so as a consumer, I want those protections just like I get the protections, you know, at any grocery store.

2:52:33Etienne FontanAnd right now we can test for 59 different pesticides and that's what we're doing. And that is a slow science. After 10 years, we're continuing to build to get to 60 so that we can get hopefully every representation out there. But, you know, Sam can attest, you know, science is not fast and it is a slow applied reality that We're getting there. But on top of that, realize these costs initially are going to be high until they get it more stabilized.

2:53:03Etienne FontanAnd in time, these prices are going to come down for testing. This is just the initial until they get their act together and figure out what's actually taking place.

2:53:13SpeakerYeah. Well, and not to go down another rabbit hole, but one thing we've had come up where we've had to steer away from products is heavy metals levels in some concentrates and oils because of people who are juicing or breaking down the stocks. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:53:56SpeakerYou know, in cases like that. So there's just, it's going to be a growing pain. There's going to be a lot of growing pains over the next, you know, 10 years as we work this out. But I think it's going to lead us to a better place. We're going to be able to solve these problems as they come up. We're going to be able to see them and just make better and better products and for everybody's health.

2:54:14SpeakerSo although it might be a challenge or might even, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:54:43SpeakerI'll send it to you afterwards. I don't remember off the top of my head. It was about six months ago because you can't even get most of those tests done here in California right now. But the labs are just now looking at starting to add them. And I think once the requirements come in, so.

2:54:59SpeakerYeah, I mean, when you're talking about trace heavy metals in the environment, there's four that are particularly problematic, right? So those are the lead, chromium, Cadmium, and let's see, am I missing one? Lead, chromium, cadmium, oh, and arsenic. Arsenic's actually not a metal. It's actually a non-metal. But arsenate, which is highly mobile in the environment, is mostly a byproduct of... Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:56:02SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:56:25SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:56:48SpeakerSo and I would also assume that again if you're looking at concentrates most of the Soluble, I mean, most trace heavy metals shouldn't be in concentration. It's not like a pesticide issue where if there's like a trace amount of material in the plant, it'll all be concentrated. Right. In most solvent-based methods, I wouldn't think you're actually going to concentrate heavy metals. If you're actually knocking off trichomes and physically removing trichomes, I mean, certainly anything that can contaminate the plant can contaminate your Thank you so much for joining us.

2:57:55SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:58:12SpeakerBut in a carrier oil, but more in some of the old school methods of long soaks, alcohol glycerin soaks that are then produced and some of those sort of kind of not as precise and clean methods, you know. I do think that any heavy metal contamination could potentially come from the refinery processes that are used to refine gases and also some of the Thank you for joining us.

2:59:00SpeakerVery, very dangerous materials, but I would not want them in your concentrates. A lot of them are approved for food and approved for food contact, but ingested at a large period of time and vaporized into the lungs, I would think that these things could certainly cause chronic If not acute health issues. Yeah, I think it's where we get into what we know and what we suspect. I mean, there's still a lot of science to be done.

2:59:28SpeakerBut I mean, just you look at you look at spectrum disorders and other issues that there's a lot of science points that could have to do with the body's ability to process metals and heavy metals, the body's ability to clean those out and process them. So it's just one of those things where it's not something that we want to just be. Thinking is harmless. It's better if we have the choice.

2:59:50SpeakerWe definitely want to make sure that we're able to limit those levels as much as possible, especially when, you know, we have patients now who are as young as six months old, right? So we're talking about small bodies. So it's just another one of those topics I think is good to, you know, which I did bring up once in a while for folks to be aware of.

3:00:10SpeakerEspecially with the challenging effects that, you know, there are so many chemical insults out there in the environment today that are out there today that maybe just weren't out there just a handful of years ago. And the exposure that some of these things are now showing in terms of buildup of Thank you for joining us.

3:00:59SpeakerIt's just a candle. It could be a birthday candle or it could be a Yankee candle. It's just something that's in everyone's households. Are soy candles better? I'm sorry? Are soy candles better? Obviously, they become rage. My wife looked into this and we've changed all our candles in the house now to soy-based candles because of this very, very issue. That's absolutely correct, Todd. Make your own beeswax candles.

3:01:27SpeakerRight on, bro. Beeswax and soy are the two I only use, yeah. I was wondering if I was just a crazy hippie using paraffin-based candles, that's for sure. Well, then I'm glad I switched.

3:01:38BubblemanYou know, a great way to test it is we have a really sensitive farm. Thank you for watching.

3:02:04SpeakerWell, they started finding elevated levels of formaldehyde in rooms and especially draperies and carpets and stuff that's soft in the room that's going to absorb. And if you think about it, if you're just burning a candle and Maybe you have your pet or you have your children walking around on the carpet in that room. They are being exposed to elevated levels of formaldehyde, which over chronic exposure can cause health problems down the road.

3:02:42SpeakerSo, yeah, so I was just sort of adding that just as an added thing to while, you know, you speak of like the endocannabinoid deficiencies and being able to treat those nutritionally by incorporating cannabis not only into your diet but, you know, vaporizing and, you know, using cannabis. A lot of it too, I would say about a third of it is how our bodies metabolize and how our bodies function.

3:03:12SpeakerThank you for joining us.

3:03:32Speakerof your health and how well your body is already maintaining, trying to maintain homeostasis by being able to rely on a good diet of healthy fats. You know, myself, I enjoy the carbohydrates, but certainly proteins and everything that your body needs to establish, you know, a good, healthy lifestyle. And cannabinoids are part of it because they're fat-soluble antioxidants that go where other antioxidants in your diet just do not go.

3:04:09SpeakerThey get deposited into Oedipus tissue and stay in your body for a long time, which is an evolved trait in humans. Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:04:48SpeakerWell, it's actually, yeah, it's full of air right now. We'll fill it up later though.

3:04:53BubblemanExcellent.

3:04:53Etienne FontanExcellent.

3:04:54BubblemanThat's what I like to hear. Well, that was a solid three hours of Hash Church right there. I got to say, I'm feeling pretty good about that. That was very nice to hear from you again, Forrest, and Wade, to have you both on was, as always, a pleasure. Hope to have you guys back again. Yeah, any time.

3:05:15SpeakerThank you.

3:05:17BubblemanAbsolutely. I like the conversation. I like what you're doing. I like what both you guys are doing. But I do like that you're preaching to a non-choir, which is an important group of people that kind of need to hear this. It's the normalization of using cannabis for children as a medicine. Thank you for joining us.

3:05:52BubblemanThank you for joining us.

3:06:18BubblemanCannabinoid-rich alternative milks for children.

3:06:22Etienne FontanYes.

3:06:24BubblemanSo thanks everyone for coming out. D420K, Etienne, Skunkman, Sam, Indra, Dr. Mark Scaldone, and Todd McCormick, and Johnny B who has left the room. Thank you guys all for chilling out and having a good conversation. And thanks to High Integrity Glass Art for letting me do Hash Church here, and much appreciated everyone. And hey. Thanks to Prince, the little dog that I was holding up there, the little French bulldog.

3:06:52BubblemanPretty cool little dog. Have a great day, everybody. Sunday on, and we'll talk to you all next week.

3:06:59SpeakerThank you.

3:07:00BubblemanPeace.