Shona Banda's Journey with Cannabis Oil

0:02BubblemanAnd just like that, we're live. Welcome, everybody, to Hash Church episode, oh, what is it, 131? Are we at 131? No, we're at 132. Can you believe that, guys? 132 weeks of meeting every Sunday here with me and this amazing crew of people that shows up and shares their time with us, which reminds me, I should probably send out those links to the crew. Got a great show coming on today.

0:29BubblemanGot some good people here. Let me just get this link sent out. We have special guest Shona Banda on here today and I'm quite excited about it. She probably will be on very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if Etienne jumped into the room very quickly as well as Mr. McCormick and the rest of the crew. I have sent out the link. We'll see if it works. Sometimes it works.

0:54BubblemanSometimes it doesn't work. It does happen like that. I'll copy it just in case that did not work. And I'll send them another one. Always good to make sure we've got these links going. And I hope everyone's doing well on a Sunday morning. Let's just push that out one more time just in case it didn't work the first time. Oh, there's Shona. She's got her phone turned sideways.

1:20SpeakerDo I need it upright?

1:22BubblemanYeah, it won't switch for you the way it wants to, but that works really well right there. No problem. Look at that. And it even made you full size when you did it.

1:30SpeakerThere we go.

1:31BubblemanYeah. Welcome to Shona. Welcome to Skunk Man Sam, who, of course, he always comes in as a little chair. With a little doll, a Sam doll. He's private, so he's one of our good friends. Yes, he's our good friend in Amsterdam who's been deeply involved with cannabis for, I want to say, over 40 years at this point in time. He's kind of like one of our... Cannabis elders in all of this.

1:59BubblemanSo welcome to Sam. Welcome to Etienne. Etienne, of course, owns and operates the Berkeley Patients Group down in California and is also a longtime activist who has put himself at the front lines for You know, well over 20 to 25 years doing the good work. So two great people. And Shona Banda, I have just met you, but I have a feeling you're a pretty great person as well.

2:22BubblemanI know a very little bit about your story. I read on Herb recently, they did a little story on you about 10 facts about Shona Banda's story. Are you familiar with that link?

2:34SpeakerI am not sure if I am familiar with that link.

2:38BubblemanWell, let's show it to you. I can send it to you on chat. I can also send it to you on Facebook. I wouldn't want to read anything from there if we don't know 100% that those are actual facts from your story. But yeah, they did a good little thing. It seems pretty on point. It talks about how your son stuck up for you, patient turned advocate.

2:59BubblemanPolice keeping you from entering your home, Kansas making an example of you, you know, laying out the death sentence, the online community rally support, you know, you being in disbelief of facing so many years in prison for really just taking care of your life, and then it shows Rick Simpson showing support, and then the final is the progress coming fast enough.

3:22SpeakerSo I guess what... Well, some of that is true.

3:25BubblemanSome of that is true? Well, why don't we hear it right direct from Shona. You can walk us through this story that brought you into this sort of limelight of this happening to you because it's an incredible story. I mean, it's especially for people like us who are so deeply involved and feel like everything's moving so forward because we're on the West Coast. It's very progressive. We're involved in multiple countries with different cannabis medical platforms that are being accepted and recognized by governments.

3:57BubblemanAnd then to hear your story is like, whoa, it's 1987 all over again.

4:04SpeakerYeah, and it goes deeper. I started using cannabis in 2003, I believe, and became an advocate then. And

4:21SpeakerAs time went by, I was dying in 2009 and I accidentally found a unique way on how to make oil. Excuse me. So I took the oil and in three days didn't need the use of my cane to walk. I wrote a book and I went out to Colorado in 2010. And have been a huge educator in the movement when it comes to the medical side and educating others about the cannabis oil.

5:05SpeakerAnd so I had separated from my husband after a few years and I needed to move back home. I couldn't make it any longer in Colorado. I moved back home and even tried a second time to go out to Colorado and failed again. So in 2013, I'm living here in Garden City and I had a book signing at my local bookstore. I took my book to every major radio station and TV station.

5:45SpeakerI even took my book to the sheriff's department. And 2013 and asked for leniency with patients in town. So I have been very open and honest. And when they were teaching a drug education class at school and they said, you know, it was marijuana. My son corrected them and said, you know, my mom calls it cannabis. And he was then taken out of the room and questioned.

6:20SpeakerSo the fact that I was a very avid activist for many years and have been, you know, speaking around the country, even in my own state, doing everything that I can do in my power to try to change things.

6:44SpeakerWhen they came to my house afterwards, I actually had my phone out and I recorded the officers outside of my home. And being an activist, I knew exactly the questions to ask and how to ask them. And there's going to be a long list of things that will come up on April 7th as to what we believe

7:15SpeakerI was absolutely wrong on authority's part and will be demanding a dismissal of charges from that. And from there, on April 7th, I have a full court date of filing of motions. Expert testimony will be in. Dr. Bob Melamed is coming in. And Dr. David Allen and Dr. Petro from... Florida, I believe. So that's going to be very exciting for me because we're going on biological necessity, not just medical necessity.

7:55SpeakerSo proving that you absolutely need the endocannabinoid system to live. And some people are more deficient than others and have far more benefit than others. But it's all beneficial. That's where we're at.

8:15BubblemanYou've got a great list of doctors there for that very, very argument right there, because those are those are doctors that don't just promote cannabis use on the low, low, but literally consider cannabis as a essential component to human health.

8:32SpeakerBecause I absolutely agree.

8:35BubblemanYes. And you are using cannabis for Crohn's disease, correct?

8:39SpeakerYes. Well, I had Crohn's disease. I had rheumatoid arthritis. I had endometriosis. I had a long list of medical ailments on top of it. And cannabis has been able to alleviate all of them at one point in time and allowed me to have a very normal life. Finally able to be a mom to my kids after being stuck on a couch for seven years was the best gift.

9:09SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today. I'm so happy to be here with you today.

9:14BubblemanI'm so happy to be here with you today. I'm so happy to be here with you today.

9:37BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

10:07SpeakerI had gotten old-fashioned glass dome vaporizer after my lungs had collapsed a few times. So anyhow, I had this glass dome vaporizer and I was in so much pain that I was just trying to get away and get outside of my body. So I was reading a book. I think it was Atlas Shrugged. I was reading Atlas Shrugged and I got lost in the book and an hour had passed and I You know, my husband at the time had walked into the room and he goes, oh, look at the dome.

10:42SpeakerAnd there had been red oil droplets formed all over this dome. And at that point, it was such a huge aha moment because you just need, you know, the tiniest of cannabis in order to make little droplets on this dome. So I went out and got a spatula and we started to scrape the dome and you could put that into gel caps and I took it orally three times a day.

11:08SpeakerAnd within three days I didn't need the use of my cane to walk and within just a few short months I was traveling to Colorado and hiking in the mountains. So it was absolutely a huge, huge turnaround for me.

11:27BubblemanYou know, for me, I came from a very, I mean, to me, that's the foundation that's legitimate. I came from more of a recreational perspective. I was using cannabis and trying to discover new methods and new things. And it was very early on. It might have been in the late 90s, early 2000s. Whenever the Vrip Tech came out, Mark McCoy came out with the Steinel heat gun, which, of course, He promoted Steinel over all the other companies because they had a, I guess, a ceramic heater core that was not insulated with asbestos and other toxic things.

12:05BubblemanAnd so Mark, very knowledgeable fellow, you know, got me turned on to this rip tacking and how you blow the hot air over the bowl and you end up with this wonderful vapor. And of course, over time, in the stem, you would get this little bits of red oil. Well, fast forward about another year to a friend of mine named David Wheeler, who has since passed away.

12:28BubblemanVery unique and intriguing man in the cannabis scene. Very almost secretive, but I was lucky enough to meet him right before his passing. And he had started or invested in a company called The Volatizer. And the volatizer was a small heat wand that fit over top of a quartz crystal bowl. And what I noticed was when I vaporized through the volatizer that the oil that was collecting in the stem was not red, it was gold.

12:54BubblemanAnd I realized, I learned later on that quartz dissipates its heat differently than glass. So if you heat up the top of a glass stem, down at the bottom, it's still actually going to be fairly hot. So the heat from the glass was oxidizing the oils and turning those terpenes a darker color, turning them red, and of course, creating and producing a different effect compared to the volatizer, which was quartz, and you could heat that quartz bowl up as hot as you wanted, and the bottom of the stem would never be hot.

13:24BubblemanQuartz dissipates its heat very, very... Thank you so much for joining us today.

13:45BubblemanWe'll preserve the terpenes differently, which will then give you a different medical effect or a recreational effect, which is, from my perspective, it was a much more recreational effect. I was taking that oil and I was bio-assaying it by vaporizing and smoking it and feeling how I felt euphoria-wise. I wasn't doing the research with something as severe as the situation you were in where you couldn't even walk.

14:10BubblemanThat must have been absolutely mind-blowing to you to be able to not-

14:16SpeakerIt really was. And I was a dare child growing up. So I really didn't try cannabis until 2003. I had already had Crohn's disease for a year. And, you know, my ex-husband was holding my hair as I was puking in the toilet, begging me to try it. And just upon smoking it, I fell to the floor and cried because it felt like Santa Claus wasn't real as an adult.

14:43SpeakerLike your whole world Changed everything that I had ever thought, believed or was taught was wrong. And I just found the truth. And it was.

14:57BubblemanThe truth, the truth will set you free.

15:00SpeakerYeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I still I smoked the whole time from 2003 until 2009, and it still only just helped alleviate my symptoms. It just helped me eat. It just helped me get by. And I didn't actually start healing until I started taking that oil. And what was amazing is Rick Simpson had come out with his method that uses a solvent. And I had watched that a year previous to me finding this method.

15:39SpeakerAnd I knew that's what I had needed. But I was in Kansas. And you need an entire pound to make the two ounces of oil that you need to heal yourself using his his method. So there was no way I could find a pound in Kansas. I mean, it was it was ridiculous. So I was having a hard time just trying to find the ounce a week that I needed to survive.

16:03SpeakerSo when I found this method and I started to They were just so profound that I started to write a journal and wrote exactly how I felt because it didn't take my pain away. It actually just switched it to where I started to heal. And the pain was different. It was more of a healing pain than a painful degrading pain. I literally woke up three days after taking the oil knowing that I was going to Absolutely live long enough to see grandkids someday.

16:46SpeakerSo it was literally going from one day knowing I was dying, praying for death or sleep because it was so ridiculously tormenting, painful, to knowing I was going to live. I just wanted to mention one thing here. That is, It sounds like both Marcus and you found a method of doing this from vaping. And we also did here in the Netherlands, even earlier than either of you two.

17:19SpeakerAnd we have a patent on it. And that's amazing. And you guys owe me some serious money now.

17:28BubblemanOh, Sam, I love your humor. I love your humor, Sam. Yes, Sam, Shona, Sam has like forgotten more about cannabis than most of the panel will ever know all combined. And that's saying a lot about Sam. He's a very unique person that has put More out there than most of us could ever possibly fathom.

17:52SpeakerI was also in the early 80s involved with a friend of mine, Jeff Card in Santa Cruz. It was my idea and his manifestation. Built the first vaporizers using one of those, what was it, paint stripper heat guns. Paint stripper, exactly. I'm sure that's where Mark came across it as well. And we were the first one in, as far as I know, in the world that built one of these.

18:18SpeakerWell, the only difference that would be with me would be, you know, Rick Simpson went out and took his method and what he found and gave that for free to the world and spread out there. And I did as well. So I wrote a book and made a video and helped to teach as many around the world that I could find to

18:46SpeakerAnd it is so simple that you could do it over the phone.

18:52BubblemanAnd not only that, but with a small amount of cannabis is sort of the thing that's really key with that, that it's not a half a pound or several ounces. You could literally put like a little gram bud in that type of vaporizer and condense, you know, basically it's a steam distillation. You're vaporizing it, you're turning it to vapor, and then you're condensing it on a cooler surface where it turns back into the oils.

19:16BubblemanAbsolutely.

19:17SpeakerIt's just decarboxylization with a pure heat extraction. And the Rick Simpson way produced a very high THC method because when this movement first started, there was only the high THC or the high CBD method of which I put out there. I had no idea of anybody else's method and I was... I was a really hardcore researcher back in the day, just trying to find anything and everything.

19:47SpeakerOur patent was published. Did you look at patents? I only looked at United States government patents. I'm still appalled that government can patent a plant. We patented it in America, of course. Yeah, it's appalling to me that anyone will try to even patent a plant. It's appalling. Wait a minute. I'm not patenting a plant. No, no, no. I know. I know. I've looked into the patents. It's just I don't look into them that much because it grows out of the earth.

20:23BubblemanYeah, and you're coming from a unique perspective, too. You're not coming from a business perspective. You're coming from a save my life perspective. Absolutely.

20:32SpeakerFrom that perspective.

20:34BubblemanYeah, absolutely. And from that perspective, how could anyone not be offended by By anyone trying to own something that could help many, you know, and that's always the assumption. It's not always what the truth of a patent is. I know people who have patent things, given them away, and they patented it so others couldn't keep them from patent.

20:54SpeakerAlso, sometimes you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a patent, and it would be nice to get some of that money back. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. I mean, it sure would be nice to get all of our money back. As an activist, you end up spending more money. Yeah, but if you're doing the research, I started a research and development cannabis company. I spent $10 million and I couldn't afford it, but I did it.

21:25SpeakerAmazing. Thank you.

21:27BubblemanFor real, seriously.

21:28SpeakerFor real, thank you.

21:30BubblemanI mean, I don't think water extraction would pretend, well, I mean, although that's hard to say, it's hard to say because water extraction was a unique one. You definitely were the first person to ever publish anything on it, although it was definitely Eldon staring at Reinhardt's machine that he came up with the bag concept. He was definitely staring at Reinhardt's machine when he said two nylon bags.

21:53BubblemanNot sure if you're familiar with the history of water extraction, Shona, but I'm not familiar with it, but I am familiar with the method. And have you ever used hash to extract your oils from, or do you just use the cannabis buds?

22:07SpeakerNo, I actually, I use the cannabis buds. And when I was in Kansas, all I had access to at the time was brick, was imported Mexican compacted brick. And I went to Colorado with the knowledge that I had gained from the oil and making it in both ways at that time while in Kansas. And going to Colorado expecting to learn more. Well, not very many people knew about the oil in Colorado.

22:37SpeakerSo I ended up teaching a lot of people in Colorado how to make the oil as well. So it was, man, it was crazy times. But The the product that you need to have is it is a high indica product in order to make it and if you're going to make an oil for Thank you for joining us.

23:20SpeakerBecause indica has both wide leaf and narrow leaf, and sativa has narrow leaf and wide leaf. And all sativa varieties are actually hemp. They don't have drug content. Well, it's super hard to find a pure anything anymore as far as I know. No, no, that's not true at all. I've got thousands of pure whatevers. Well, you've got 100% indica plants and 100% sativa plants. I collected them in Afghanistan.

23:49SpeakerI collected them in Thailand.

23:51BubblemanI collected them. Sam is an anomaly. I'll say this right off the bat, Shona. He is an anomaly. He literally.

23:57SpeakerIt's the first person I've heard of. This is great. Yeah, no. That's because the people who sell seeds do not go and collect the seeds hardly ever. Bingo. Right. It's true. Well, they want a monopoly on there also. Thank you. Thank you.

24:41SpeakerWell, I didn't make it well in Colorado because I would meet these growers and they'd be so proud of what they have. And I would smoke their medicine and wouldn't take my pain away as good as the brick that I was finding at home and I didn't know why. And so a lot of growers out there completely dismissed me. It doesn't matter. Who, what grower you go to, their stuff is the best.

25:09SpeakerIt doesn't matter what oil maker you go to, their stuff is the best. Just ask them. If you take pure THC, does it have any positive effect for you? If I take pure THC, it gives me absolute anxiety. I need a full spectrum of cannabinoids in order to make myself feel comfortable. I need the synergistic effects of it. Mexican brick does not have a full spectrum of cannabinoids.

25:36SpeakerWell, I would have to disagree there only because you can't sexually frustrate any female of any species and expect her to produce good medicine. And so when you allow a plant to seed out, even if just a little bit, you have a broader range of cannabinoids. And that's my personal opinion. That's not true what single bit at all. I have a gastroenterology and a laboratory for 25 years.

26:01SpeakerThat's not true, Shona.

26:02DrDepends what you're measuring.

26:05BubblemanWelcome, Dr. Barr.

26:07DrHowdy.

26:09BubblemanHow are you doing today?

26:11DrI'm very good, thank you.

26:13BubblemanYes, you look very well. Have you consumed one gram of cannabinoids this morning?

26:17DrNo, I did about 100 milligrams of oil. Nice, nice. Well, that's respectable. Yeah, I'm nicely tuned up.

26:25BubblemanNicely tuned up. Excellent.

26:26SpeakerWhile we're just having a discussion here, we got a little bit of... Maybe Dr. Bob, if he knows, he can step in. But I'm saying that marijuana, if you have an identical clone, and if you seed one of them, and you don't seed the other one, the cannabinoid profile is identical. The only thing that's different is the amount.

26:50DrIt's conceivable, depending, first of all, on what cannabinoids you're looking at.

26:55SpeakerI'm looking at them all. I've got all the standards.

26:58DrYeah. Well, as well as terpenes, etc. What is the fundamental truth is that the genes that are being expressed in the seeding bud are not going to be entirely identical with the ones that are in a non-seeding bud.

27:14SpeakerYes, they are. The only other genes are inside the ovum making a seed. You're mistaken.

27:23DrWhat I'm saying is that everything is holistic and that the plant communicates throughout its entire body basically the same way we do. Not quite as efficiently as having a nervous system but nevertheless everything is holistic in life and that a plant for example male and female plants And seated and non-seated and young and old. I think that from what I've heard from people who I respect and produce medicines, the people who are blending those different types of phenotypic states are in fact producing something that might be better than to not take that approach.

28:08DrBut again, I don't have that in terms of analytical data.

28:14SpeakerWell, that's the difference. I've had my own gas chromatography and HPLC lab for 25 years.

28:20DrYeah, but you haven't measured everything.

28:24SpeakerYou're very mistaken about that. I have measured the same clones, seeded, unseeded, partially seeded, and the cannabinoid contents are the same, except the profile is the same. What changes is the absolute amount. Can I interject just a little bit? I'd love to interject as well.

28:43DrIf you've done the experiment, I bow to knowledge always.

28:47SpeakerI'm just going to say that man has manipulated the plant as it grows so that it produces more THC and has less effort in producing a seed, which in turn produces more THC. Now, when you let the plant grow naturally, common sense just says that you've got a A broader spectrum, a more even amount of cannabinoids within that. Common sense.

29:16DrYeah, I don't agree with you, Shona.

29:22SpeakerI would like to interject.

29:24BubblemanPlease do, Tony. And understand, everyone, it's okay that we disagree with one another. That's why we're having the dialogue. It's wonderful.

29:29SpeakerWhat we're trying to do is get to the truth. So three points here. I also bow to the truth. Sorry, Tony.

29:35BubblemanGo ahead.

29:36SpeakerSo I'm just going to say my opinion on what Sam is saying. There's three things going on here. What Sam is saying analytically So if you look at the plant and you say, okay, this plant's going to crossbreed and create seeds, that means the plant's going to focus quite a bit of energy into producing that seed. When you don't have that pollination and there's an ovulation period, that 24 to 32 day, it's looking to get pregnant, if you will, and you deprive it, then that energy Thank you for joining us today.

30:23SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

30:51SpeakerWell, she was talking about brick. If I was, when I came in, are we talking about brick weed? She was saying that gave her more benefit. With seeds in it, right? She got in Colorado, correct. Okay. Okay. Cause I grew up, I'm about 39. I grew up with brick weed too. Yeah. I was in Kansas. It's all I had access. That's where I'm from. You either have a green brick or you have a brown brick.

31:14SpeakerI'm such an old guy that everything was brick back in the day.

31:18DrWhen I was a kid, we paid $120 for a brick a pound of weed.

31:22SpeakerBingo. A pound. Oh my goodness. We paid $60 in California. Yeah. So I think like in the 90s, it was like $300 or $400 a pound for a brick. So over time, it got a little bit- It's like $900 now. $900. Wow. All right. So- If you look at that brick, let's follow the history of that brick. Once upon a time, in a southern climate, south of our border, it probably was a good 13 to... 13 to...

32:00SpeakerMaybe 17%. Now the curing method of what goes on down there is big barns that hang up their plants and then they end up smashing all this stuff together. There's a lot of heat, there's a lot of light exposure, there's a lot of aging if you will. And if you look at grapes the same way, there's grape juice and then there's raisins. And so if you look at the aging process of what's happening in a brick, and I always use this as an example with a lot of patients.

32:27SpeakerI was like, yeah, you remember back in the day when we would smoke schwag or we'd smoke brick weed and you would get this like very ocular feeling under the eyes. You feel really relaxed. You get this couch lock feeling and it actually makes you as a patient feel better. I've had patients tell me, well, I've tried, I've tried, you know, pure THC. I've tried this variety.

32:47SpeakerI've tried that, but it doesn't give me that same effect as a patient. So what you're saying is not a fabrication. It's a reality of your bias of what's happening. And in my opinion, what's happening is during that aging process, the THC in some capacity is probably converting a little to CBN. So when a plant is fresh and when it's new, it's got a lot of THCA.

33:11SpeakerIt's got a lot of full spectrum, if you will. And terpenes also age along this process too. So you're getting a little bit higher CBN, probably the conversion in the THC has aged a little bit. Some of those terpenes, from when they were fresh until when they get to you in Kansas, have been concentrated down and have converted into gassing off or whatever, and it becomes more of a particular...

33:38SpeakerThank you for watching.

33:46SpeakerSo what I spent the last five years doing was creating the categories of chemotypes with terpene profiles. That's how the whole Prana thing started, P1 through P5. They're really categories of chemotype 1, 2, or 3, or combinations of blends of varieties with particular terpene profiles of a list of importance of what was really important to that chemotype. Such as what you're gravitating towards would be RP4 or P3, which would be CBD, CBN, low amounts of THC, and a terpene profile that would have beta-caryophyllene and high in myrcene, and this combination, and or with what you're used to as purples and OGs, would also have a certain concentration of myrcene.

34:41SpeakerAnd so when you pair them, the terpene profile, with the right aging process, you get a different experience. That's why I've always... For example, Tony, you're right. I mean, if you look at fresh cannabis, it's high in monoterpenes. If you look at old cannabis, it's high in sesquiterpenes because the monoterpenes are gone.

35:02BubblemanYeah, they've evaporated long off.

35:05SpeakerAnd that's why I have both the raw active of Prana, the raw version and the active, because some patients, they actually don't want to feel stoned, but they want all the medicinal benefits, and there's daytime formula. And then most patients at the end of the day, if they have tremendous back pain or swelling of the joints by 4 or 5 o'clock in the day, Thank you for watching.

35:35SpeakerAnd so I found using non-actives, raw formulas and blends of those raw formulas during the day and then switching to active and more aged profiles as the night continues. So that's why there was a one, two, three, four in our sequencing. But yeah, that was all coming from tons of patients giving us feedback and myself and 20 years with the plant.

36:10BubblemanOkay, there we go. Sorry, I was muted. Well said, Tony. I think that that put that together very, very well and in the sense that it's true. When it's your bioassay, it's your truth. Whether you're understanding it correctly or not, it is your truth. A bioassay cannot be... Someone can't tell you you're wrong when it comes to your bioassay. At the same time, I understand where Sam's coming from.

36:31Bubbleman10 million deep, 25 plus years with the lab and the scientists. He's on a totally different level. Sam's truth is truth, but there can be a difference in a personal patient's bioassay and the understanding of what it is that's going on. Very well put, Tony. Fuck, good to have you back.

36:52SpeakerHey, I have a question for Sam. Sam, who's... Was that $10 million? Was that yours?

37:01SpeakerHey, here's a question. Anybody?

37:04BubblemanAnswer it. Silence, Sam. Sam must be not in the room. I heard John talking, though.

37:10SpeakerIt's very noble if you're spending $10 million of your own dollars. It's another thing if you're spending someone else's money. In my case, the majority of it was coming out of my pocket.

37:25BubblemanHow's that smile doing there, Mark?

37:29SpeakerThat's just a great thing to take your own money and your own fortune and put it out into cannabinoid research that perhaps wasn't going to yield immediate fruit. It's led to the… You know, body of research that exists today that all of us know. That's why we've been the first company licensed in the world, private company, to work on cannabis. Well, and in your private time, your hobby was disseminating all the other information you were collecting that you were not using in the International Hemp Journal.

38:09SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

38:39SpeakerWell, I'm sorry about that. Sometimes this shit happens.

38:41BubblemanBetter now, better now.

38:43SpeakerOkay, well, next time you're stuck in Kansas and you think you can't find any pot, drive over to Phillipsburg where there's about 17,000 acres of pot growing anywhere. I don't know how you missed it, number one. Number two, Rick Simpson published that story a year after he read my BHO, which I released in 1998. So I'm a little...

39:08SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

39:28BubblemanYeah, it was iso-extraction or alcohol extraction.

39:31SpeakerIt's actually a free garbage extraction. No, naphtha. You use naphtha, which is bad. You should not use naphtha. Yeah, naphtha. It's all breakfast and shit from the refinery.

39:41BubblemanYeah, talk about a fire hazard, too, by the way. Rust and lead inhibitor in naphtha. Nasty, nasty stuff. Potentially toxic waste. Not good. Toxic waste.

39:50SpeakerWell, in the beginning, he didn't know that. And then the naphtha in America is completely different. Then the NAVDA in Canada. And early on, we were able to distinguish that. And I do believe he's been, you know, absolutely promoting grain alcohol extraction instead.

40:09BubblemanFor sure.

40:10SpeakerThat doesn't excuse what he did because in five minutes of research he could have found out that naphtha was bad news, but instead he chose to proliferate. His naphtha wasn't.

40:20BubblemanYeah, he cured, and he cured his cancer, so it's like, I think the good news of curing his cancer sort of outweighed the, oh shit, this is a chemical solvent, maybe I shouldn't be using it.

40:33SpeakerThat's how good cannabis is. Even when you formulate it with cancer-causing chemicals, it still works.

40:41BubblemanThat's a powerful statement, Dr. Mark. Truly, that's a powerful statement. I've mentioned it in the past that it's like, listen, this stuff is so powerful that even if you extracted it with a poisonous chemical that would kill you if you drank it, Thank you so much for joining us.

41:13BubblemanThank you for joining us today.

41:38BubblemanAnd I changed the way I thought after that, I'm not going to lie.

41:41SpeakerWhat he had really was the Mexican brick without the brick.

41:46BubblemanDude, ground into powder, ground into powder, probably rolled into the thickest papers known to man.

41:52SpeakerGrown in Mississippi, paid for by my tax dollars. Thank you very much. I got a couple of those if you want to see them. It's more clarifying misinformation, you know, because a lot of us do read things and get a little adrift. And when we can bump into somebody who has solid answers with demonstratable experience doing what we're talking about, it doesn't hurt to listen to them.

42:16SpeakerExactly.

42:17BubblemanYeah, no, for real. Absolutely. Especially when you've learned a lot. The more you learn, sometimes the harder it is to hear. And so I always try to...

42:26SpeakerThe more you know, you don't know if you're smart.

42:29BubblemanYeah, yeah. The more you know, the less you know. It's true. Terrence McKenna put it like this. How come the deeper in you go, the bigger it gets?

42:41DrThat's what my mother said when she took some acid by mistake.

42:44BubblemanThat's awesome. Her and Terrence were on point.

42:49DrI had no idea how vast the universe in my mind was.

42:54SpeakerNo, I was just thinking, Marcus, we should give a bong rip for Rob Montgomery.

43:01BubblemanOh, absolutely. There's a psychonaut, psychedelic visionary, a promoter of all things psychedelic, a guy who really did great things in bringing the psychedelic community, which is an even smaller community than the cannabis community I'll have you know. He did a lot for that community and he passed away recently and I actually, someone told me it was another friend of mine named Rob who passed away and I was like, oh no, Robby died and then he contacted me and said, I'm not dead, I'm not dead.

43:33BubblemanI was happy for about one second and then found out that it was Robert Montgomery. So yeah, we will absolutely blaze one for Rob Montgomery. Psychonaut Visionary.

43:48SpeakerWhat's really so sad is he slipped in a bathtub and hit his head on the toilet.

43:52BubblemanYeah, yeah, it was a sad time.

43:55SpeakerWhat a waste.

43:57Etienne FontanLife is crazy. Yeah, our exits have no real premonition, so we sometimes...

44:04BubblemanYet, yet every single choice that you make in life leads you to that moment, which is, that's heavy, that's heavy.

44:13DrThat's as heavy as it gets.

44:15BubblemanYeah, you know, for me, it was something that allowed me to get over my father's death. My father, of course, passed away on a motorcycle with his wife. They both passed away on a motorcycle that I bought him for his 50th birthday. So in the understanding of that knowledge that the deer, my father, his wife, all of them, every decision they made led them to that point in time, really, to me, Was this humbling experience that it's a sort of fate, that it's like it was decided through decisions that I had nothing to do with and I was able to remove myself from taking the blame and feeling so responsible for the loss of these two people that of course meant the world to me.

44:56DrWell that's the basics really of the physics that I expound all the time because it's a combination on the one hand where you have Thank you very much.

45:33DrThank you. Thank you.

45:41DrSo that people realize some very basic facts which we are not educated to understand. So if you'd like to hear them, I'd go over some things. They're fucking mind-blowing.

45:51BubblemanI absolutely would personally because I superly appreciate when you talk about these things. I'm not going to lie. I haven't quite grasped it completely. But when you talk about it, to me, it feels like a universal truth. Not through studying and books, but through psychedelia. And through cannabis and through spiritual use. So I would absolutely love to hear what you have to say about that.

46:13DrWell, that's how I come to all of these things because I've used extensive quantities of psychedelics over the years and, you know, cannabis since I was 16 regularly, you know, and I'm fucking 69 years old now. So I've done a bit of it enough to now forget what I was going to tell you.

46:33SpeakerYour secret facts. Can I say something, Bob, then? Because, you know, I think that after having cancer 10 times, I look at life as being pretty deadly. And I've always focused on my eminent death as a release to live my life, you know, honestly and boldly and confidently and kind of bravely, you know, because fuck it, I'm going to die someday anyway, so go for it. We all are.

46:57SpeakerWe all are. And I've always looked at cannabis as this quality of life Thank you for joining us.

47:19SpeakerYou can really appreciate how much the cannabis kind of sands off those rough edges and makes this experience a lot more livable, a lot more happy, a lot more passionate, a lot more calm on so many levels. And for that, I think cannabis is kind of the best life enhancer on a long-term hand that you could ever, ever find in life. And that's why I've allocated it for so long.

47:45SpeakerI agree with you completely. Yeah, but I embraced that.

47:48DrAnd I remembered what I was going to say, if anybody wants to hear it. Quick, quick. You simulated it again. Yeah, quick. So, you know, my contention is that our entire complexity, a very significant portion of it, is devoted to us being able to survive free radicals. That's what regulates literally everything. And the reason for that is the following. First of all, we have to understand some basic facts.

48:15DrFor example, it's estimated with reasonable meat behind it that there's 50 billion tons of DNA on the planet Earth. So it's a very successful chemical. And furthermore, you know, one single damage, free radical generated damage in one cell happening one time could kill you. So let me explain that. Suppose that free radical alters a base in an oncogene, a gene that is responsible for controlling cancer in one of your cells.

48:56DrAnd suppose your DNA repair systems don't get around to fixing that damage, and it turns into a mutation. And that mutation winds up becoming a cancer cell by virtue of lack of control of cell division. System doesn't see it. And you take chemo, and that fucks you up further. And then you try cannabis, but it's too late. So one molecule creating one reaction in one cell at one time has killed you.

49:26DrNow, we have something like 15 trillion cells in our body. Each of those 15 trillion cells sustains 20,000 of those damages where one could kill you.

49:44SpeakerYes, but they don't, but all 20 trillion of your cells are not the same cells that if you, if something goes wrong.

49:53DrThat's wrong. You're wrong there. Any one of those cells can become a cancer. That's why we have cancer, all so many different kinds of cancer. Any cell can become a cancer cell.

50:06SpeakerI'm not so sure about that.

50:08DrI'm sure of it. And that's something I don't say too often.

50:14SpeakerYes, that's correct. Science says yes, you are correct.

50:19BubblemanThose numbers are unbelievable. That would have melted my brain had I been on some of those.

50:24SpeakerI guess what I'm really saying, most of the cells.

50:27DrEach one of your cells, meter worth of DNA in it. And your cell is so small you can't even see it. So imagine one meter of this fucking DNA when it has to replicate. It's at a very rapid, incredible rate. And furthermore, if you took all the DNA out of your body, it would go from here to the sun and back, I think something like 400 times, just so we put things in perspective.

50:55DrAnd every day, your body makes, in terms of ATP, because this is the whole concept of flow dependent, far from equilibrium thermodynamics, every day, its own weight in ATP. Think of that one. And that ATP mostly comes from your electron transport system in your differentiated cells. And that's what generates the free radicals that the rest of your biochemistry is trying to keep you from dying.

51:24SpeakerWell, you pretty much convinced me it's impossible that any of us are still alive. No, that's the miracle.

51:33DrThat's the miracle. Because the same way that one molecule could kill you, there was a start in the chemistry set of the planet Earth Planet formed and continued. That chemical reaction is continuing. And we are part of that chemical reaction. And we live under the illusion that we are individual free-thinking entities. Thank you.

52:16SpeakerThere you go. No, not at all.

52:17DrNot at all. Because that's where karma comes in. You see, it's not that anybody else makes you say it. We are all unique unfoldings. The same way that one molecule could kill you.

52:28SpeakerDon't get too close to God and karma. I don't believe in God. I don't believe in karma. Hey, Dr. Bob.

52:34DrThat makes two of us. Dr. Bob. Dr. Bob. Yeah. Yeah.

52:45SpeakerI'd like to ask you a question that might seem at odds to what's going on, but if you think about it for a minute, maybe it won't. The way things work in the world is partly physical and partly energetic. Well, are they the same? But one fuels the other. And there's nobody who can point to that and say that that's not the case or that is the case.

53:17SpeakerI'm just saying, suppose. And there's an Israeli guy who did a study recently and he did a long drawn out mathematical study that he applied to the timeline that we know about or that we can ascribe to that exists now. And he came up with the idea that All the things that have happened so far have been in the first six days of creation. And this is actually the seventh day of creation that we're living in right now.

53:48SpeakerAnd that's why all these things are happening the way they're happening and understandings are coming out. Because this is actually the seventh day of creation. And every one of us is part of the creation. And I think from having read what he said about that, it's something that I could buy into that we might be in the seventh day of creation right now. What do you think?

54:09SpeakerIt sounds to me like you have excellent hashish, John, is what it sounds like. But I think that the last thing we should actually talk about is actual. I'm just going to throw that out there. We should go back to hashish and cannabis and how it helps us and leave our silly concepts of God to ourselves. What if they're both the same? What if the creative energy of the unfolding universe created us?

54:36SpeakerI'll say this. In Amsterdam we used to talk about cannabis being an ethnogen that causes you to find God in yourself. And I think that, you know, We're all stardust and part of creation, but you know, Christianity, Muslim, whatever, Buddha, Karma, I just think that it, I don't know. When I say the seventh day of creation, I certainly don't mean this because God is doing it. It is a reaction, just like Dr. Bob was talking about, and we're in the seventh day of it, mathematically speaking.

55:11SpeakerHe worked it out really well, and I don't think it's silly. And the idea that you would say somebody else's stuff is silly is a bit disturbing, if you ask me. I think all religion is actually silly, just so don't take it personally offensive. I was raised a Catholic. Don't take it offensive that I find religion silly. A lot of former Catholics do, too. In 132 episodes, we've never...

55:35SpeakerDiscuss religion on Hash Church. So I just want to point out the fact that we were called Hash Church. A lot of people thought this was a religious thing. And this is the first time we've ever gotten into religion. We've religiously stayed away from the subject of religion. We have religiously stayed away from it, but that's okay. I am not advocating belief in God. I'm just saying that maybe things are A little different than what we've perceived.

56:04SpeakerWe're like at the bottom left-hand corner of the pot looking out over the whole rest of the fucking universe from here. And the idea that we could take a look at it from here and understand it all is a bit sublimely ridiculous. Well, one thing I know God does want to hear.

56:18DrThere you go. Hit it, D. What if God means generalized open system dynamics? And that religion, in my case, is... And if any of you are interested, I put out, maybe I even posted it today, a thing called evolutionism. And it has to do with the fact that flowing energy has naturally a creative nature to it. It organizes molecules, molecules over billions of years, always striving for greater levels of complexity.

56:54DrYou reach the point where you can sit around and talk about it. And it's all natural unfolding of Chemistry, driven by physics and energy flow. And that flowing energy, the fact that it has a creative nature, generalized open system dynamics, God.

57:13BubblemanI like it. I like it indeed. I was also raised Catholic, not super stoked on religion, but took enough psychedelics to understand spirituality is definitely a real thing. And to call it religion, well, it's just the mechanism that somehow grabbed spirituality and tried to manipulate it into its own, you know, platform.

57:37DrThere can be another method to the madness. Because our constitution guarantees us religious freedom. If I can present.

57:46Etienne FontanAs well as freedom from religion.

57:49DrExactly though. If my religion is science and my science says that the endocannabinoid system is responsible for the evolution of the human brain and I can provide scientific factual evidence that Explains all of that. You have to understand that what I'm saying to you is completely rejected by the scientific community, which is why I don't. Wait a minute. I've got one question for you.

58:14SpeakerWasn't the endocannabinoid system around before man's brain? That's just it.

58:20DrThe endocannabinoid system. Yes, that's my point.

58:23SpeakerThe endocannabinoid system bred mankind so that someone could have indoor gross. What happened? The endocannabinoid system is also found in sea urchins millions of years ago. So was that the purpose?

58:40DrDeuterostomes have an entirely different body plan than proteostomes. Proteostomes were the invertebrates. And evolutionarily, I mean embryologically, when they develop from the seed, the initial sperm and egg, they form. The opening that forms the tube, you know, like the tube that we have, their tube forms head first. With the emergence of the vertebrates, that's what's called the deuterostomes, you have the emergence of the whole ass first.

59:12DrSo all humans and all vertebrates are ass first in terms of embryological development. And the amazing thing is that along with that, that's when the endocannabinoid system first appeared. And when you look at what the CB1 receptor is doing, it's regulating calcium channels and essentially fine tuning the electron transport system so it doesn't make too many free radicals. Your brain is 5% of your body weight, but it uses 20% of your energy.

59:43DrIt has to make energy efficiently so that it will not overheat. Because of the emergence of the cannabinoid system, which literally regulates everything in your body from conception until death, Rather significant that we are able to have the evolution not only of our brain, but our immune system as well. And if you look at what they are doing from the point of view of far from equilibrium thermodynamics, meaning energy flow, what we see is all energy that flows into us is monitored by the nervous system.

1:00:15DrAnd all mass that flows into us is monitored by the immune system. So the two fundamental systems that regulate the system of us are controlled fundamentally by our cannabinoids. And whereas the CB1 allows for the fine-tuning production, which is required by our brain so it doesn't overheat, On the other hand, the CB2 receptor, which evolved later, evolved in response to the increased complexity that was occurring with the organizms that had heightened endocannabinoid brains Because they now explored more and developed all of the things that required them to develop a better immune system because they were now being exposed to more input, which is why the immune system is fundamentally regulated by the CB2 receptor and the CB1 receptor.

1:01:08DrBecause what the CB2 receptor does is it turns on fat burning, which is equivalent to recycling. And if you don't recycle in your cells, the same as if you don't recycle in your society, You die from too much shit.

1:01:22SpeakerHaven't they found a new receptor recently? Am I incorrect on that? There's a couple more suspected.

1:01:30DrOne of the really interesting things that came out recently is that olive oil directly interacts with the CB2 receptor.

1:01:41BubblemanReally?

1:01:42DrYeah, so if you can't, you see, a lot of the benefits that come from cannabis come because you take enough of it that you turn on recycling. You know, if you're smoking it, then unless you smoke enough, your brain sucks up most of the THC, I think, or it's a significant amount of it because you're, you know, it's the major neurotransmitter system in your fucking brain. So it's kind of like you're going through an affinity filter, you know, column.

1:02:06DrYou're purifying your blood from your cannabis by passing it through your brain.

1:02:11SpeakerDr. Bob, do you know who did the work that showed the CBD, CB2 receptor developed after the CB1? I never heard that, but I'd like to.

1:02:24DrOh yeah, it came significantly later.

1:02:28SpeakerBut who did the work that showed this, do you know?

1:02:33DrI don't remember names, you know, but I remember facts because the names don't mean anything. The only memory I have, I'm like a fucking retard, you know, I can't remember anything. But I remember all my science because it forms one big story. And that's the only way I work.

1:02:49SpeakerI think that what you're saying speaks a lot of truth, especially when you're talking about religion and herb. I grew up Catholic, Jewish, and was in a Christian school for a while, too. So I see religion as a communication of a way of a flow or a school of something that's coming to you. So I think there's a lot of levels of that, and it directly relates to the way we absorb the herb and what that formula is for each person.

1:03:26SpeakerSo if there was a heavy... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:03:58DrBut there still is an underlying scientific truth. The same way that, you know, people won't walk in front of a car because they understand enough science to understand momentum. Even though they don't know the formula, they intuit it, right? You don't jump on the building, you know you're going to get hurt. And it's the same thing that the science that I'm describing is fundamental to everything. And everybody has to be able to embrace it, unless I'm completely wrong.

1:04:26SpeakerBut I can tell you that... No, you're not. It's just a form of communication and how that gets related down to different cultures and the way that they communicate among themselves and how they interpret and understand that flow, right? But...

1:04:44DrWe're now able to go beyond the scientific base.

1:04:48SpeakerYeah, besides that standpoint, though, let's compare that to herb because what we started with was someone saying this is how I felt. And if we look at three different, say, types of body types or genetics, we look at Arnold Schwarzenegger and... Thank you for joining us.

1:05:33SpeakerI would imagine that that would be a little bit different for each type of person. The Hawaiian is over 400 pounds. He takes 10 milligrams, I would expect. And he may have a whole different programming. So when we're talking about those receptors and we're talking about the receptors we don't know, When we digest herb in different ways, it's also a form of communication to our nervous system and our immune system the same way the wave and flow of religion comes.

1:06:06SpeakerAnd if it's inherently part of our DNA, then there is a very strong case and should be a strong case globally for that connection and the religious right to the herb. Legally. Tony, are you saying that religion is the gateway drug? Because that's what it sounded like. You know, I would like to point out something Bob said that really I think shouldn't be missed is that we all have the fundamental ability to learn a truth even if it's not taught to us.

1:06:36SpeakerAnd the truth being that don't step in front of a car. You know, you are going to understand what happens, the ramifications of that action, even though you weren't necessarily taught that, you know. And I think cannabis, and I wonder what you all think, does cannabis cause us to have a hypersensitivity to truth? And to also see the cause, causation of what we see happening. Because for me at least, cannabis has been a great teacher leading me down many paths.

1:07:10SpeakerAnd especially as a grower, because I don't think I would be physically healthy today if I didn't tune into trying to keep a plant alive with pH and minerals when I was a little kid. And you don't believe in God, but that in your hand is your religion. Nature replaced any god I ever had. Nature was my biggest woe.

1:07:31Etienne FontanBut it was referred to mostly as the tree of knowledge. Cannabis has always been known as the giver of truth, the bringer of All those have had that connotation, but they all encompass and all come back to cannabis. So it's always been considered that giving tree and the tree of knowledge, at least throughout the esoterics of Catholicism, which I grew up with.

1:08:00SpeakerSo for the last 100 years, I think it's been the giver of wealth. The gift of wealth. People sell wealth to make money. But you know what, though? Where would Columbus have been if he hadn't had cannabis ropes and cannabis sails? And maps. Somebody made that stuff out of something that we would have looked at and went, I can make cash from that.

1:08:25DrWell, to bring it back to Columbus, there's a real interesting little reality here in the Caribbean, you know, and that is that Because it has always allowed for the evolution of the human brain, we can't expect that to stop now. So what we are doing by using cannabis is we are exploring the future minds of humanity. And that's why what it is is survival of the fittest means the most adaptable.

1:08:57DrBrain is the interface with the information that's coming into us and also therefore regulates ultimately the mass that comes into us, the foods we eat, brain determined, et cetera. There are things that we can do that will accelerate our evolution into the future. Things that I believe to be true that are very, very far out. But I believe that as we change our metabolism, which we know we do, and that's what cancer cells do and everything does, That as those change, there are corresponding changes in the architecture of the DNA known as epigenetics.

1:09:35DrSo when you turn on fat burning, what is scientifically known is that the architecture of the DNA is different than when it's turned on. So we turn off genes by wrapping the DNA tightly, and then we open them up when they need to be exposed. And it's my contention that when we are using, say, the fat burning pathways, And which of cannabinoid system that's intrinsic. It's like the master regulator of all of these fat burning and sugar burning pathways that the cannabinoid system has given us the ability to adapt.

1:10:13DrAnd what we are doing now is we've reached a level of consciousness in the human population. And that's why the seed is spreading around the world, the cannabis awakening. is because we are now able to understand what I'm describing to you which says we must consume cannabis to be healthy and furthermore we'll naturally have more cannabis because the genes that are being expressed now anytime we have any imbalance We generate extra free radicals and those free radicals in terms of DNA will have a much greater probability of causing mutations in the genes that are being expressed and their enhancer regions and all of the controlling factors that are exposed are now able to change epigenetically and then have the mutational aspects On those areas.

1:11:06DrSo what I believe is that we drive evolutionary change, not the way everybody is talking about it the other way. Cancer is caused by mutation. No. Cancer is caused by a metabolic imbalance, a flow-dependent imbalance that we institutionalize as cancer. And when you have all of these different, if you have a tumor with a million different genes in it, different cancer cells in it, those cells, oh, I see.

1:11:34DrAnd your natural biochemistry, in order to not die from too much free radicals, is constantly adjusting its metabolism. So for example, when DNA, remember that two yards in that little cell, when it's replicating, the cells naturally turn off the electron transport system that makes the free radicals. And turns on something known as aerobic glycolysis, which is the characteristic of most cancer cells. So what I'm saying is that when we come in and we treat a cancer with a chemotherapy or some other non-harmonious like cannabis is, that what we are doing is we are selecting for the metabolic states that can survive And that those metabolic states will continue until they become fixed as mutations.

1:12:26DrAnd then you have the genetic diversity that constitutes a tumor that everybody says, oh, it was the mutation that caused the tumor. Wrong.

1:12:36SpeakerDr. Bob. Can I interject? There's a great book by Oxford University Press called Cancer, the Evolutionary Legacy. And it's a fantastic way of looking at how cancer has played such a significant role in evolution. And I recommend the book. I read it some years ago. Dr. Bob.

1:12:57DrI have too much mental illness. I can't read books. They have a beginning and an end, and I don't get past the beginning.

1:13:04SpeakerDr. Bob, you're saying that some people's endocannabinoid systems are deficient. Do you believe that some people have overexpressed endocannabinoid systems? Is it a bell curve? Do both exist?

1:13:21DrNo, I don't think so because evolution is elected for more. Assuming that you believe the human brain is the high point of evolution,

1:13:30SpeakerI don't.

1:13:30DrBy virtue of the fact that what it's doing is it's able to manipulate the environment. And what we're doing is we've reproduced, in a sense, the spirit of the physics of life in the things that give us our society. So, for example, our financial systems are flow-dependent structures. If the money isn't flowing, the economy collapses. It's the same as within us. If our energy sources are not being generated by the flowing biochemistry, then we collapse.

1:14:00DrSo in the same way that we have to maintain a healthy flow of constructing within ourselves as we ideally advance in our complexity through the acquired knowledge of our lifetimes, we have to do the same things in our society. And our society now is reaching a critical point where a far from equilibrium phase change is going to occur. And we will now evolve into the next layer of humanity.

1:14:26DrAnd it'll either be done as a function of catastrophe or other events. But if we don't do it, we will collapse and man will go extinct. And we're in that point right now.

1:14:39SpeakerDo you think you could use cannabis to be able to enjoy reading books?

1:14:46DrI, you know, I've read so... I'm addicted to sit here with my computer on and my computer is always dealing with fucking science. I live and breathe the science because for me what I'm trying to do is be alive. I love being alive and I enjoy it. So what I want to do is be healthy.

1:15:10SpeakerIt's funny, Dr. Bob, because you do write articles, correct?

1:15:15DrWell, I stopped writing peer-reviewed science because I have nothing to do. I don't give two shits about the scientific establishment.

1:15:22SpeakerNo, I'm talking about just any... Hey! Hey! We got to march for science, man. Come on, man. No, because it's fake science. Science on Ash Church. Come on now.

1:15:37DrIt's fake science. What they've done is they've taken pharmaceuticals, the pharmaceutical guidelines of taking... In xenobiotics and perturbing your flowing biochemistry with things that don't have an origin or an end in your natural flow.

1:15:56SpeakerThey don't own science. Science can show that's bad.

1:16:02DrMy point, let me explain a few things so you know why I've become so extreme. I was a professor here at the University of Vermont. I now live in Vermont. I was chairman of the biology department at the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs. I taught the world's only four credit course on endocannabinoids and medical marijuana for 10 years, right? I'm not allowed to speak at the University of Vermont.

1:16:28DrThe person I've worked with for 30 years who knows exactly the truth that I'm talking about when she can listen a little bit, you know?

1:16:36SpeakerIs that the same University of Vermont that has an online program and a training?

1:16:40DrYes, it's all bullshit. It's all retarded science because, see, I rejected the science as well because if you don't understand the physics of life, if you don't have everything based in that physical underpinning, then it's not real.

1:16:56SpeakerIs that the university that Rick Musty went to before he died? I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. Was that the university that Rick Musty was at?

1:17:08DrYes.

1:17:09SpeakerI thought so.

1:17:12DrRick's a very old friend of mine. The thinking is all dominated by the pharmaceutical approach to life. And our doctors are totally not informed about the science of life. We are not taught the physics that I described. The Prigoginian physics is very foreign in American schools. If you take an undergraduate degree, you're not going to hear it. I tried to introduce it when I was in the university through the college, through the chemistry and the physics programs.

1:17:41DrIt's the basis of every course I teach because it's the only thing that allows you to really understand what's going on. Before that, and I've been poo-pooed, you know, at scientific conferences when I, years ago, brought up the fact that cannabis can cure cancer, and I got phone calls from cannabis activists as well as scientists saying that I shouldn't argue with, what's his name, the HIV guy from San Francisco, Don Labrums.

1:18:12SpeakerYeah, okay, so everyone has... Everyone has the opportunity to be wrong. Now you have the research of Manuel Guzman and so many others to show that actually...

1:18:23DrIt doesn't matter.

1:18:24SpeakerThey will not let me speak.

1:18:25DrI applied to speak at the conference that's coming up in April describing... Which one? ...in Colorado State University, describing the things that I've just talked to you. And I wrote a nice little abstract about the need for the medical community... To interface with the medical cannabis community.

1:18:44SpeakerI think the reason, Dr. Bob, is because they can't be bothered to read.

1:18:49DrThey want to learn things that are going to perturb their stable, steady state. They have money coming in, they are surviving, and the things that I say require a total drastic revision of their thinking and a rejection of the very things that have kept them alive. It doesn't happen. That's why I focus now on only YouTubes and educating the people. And if I'm right, it'll naturally spread and it'll naturally help facilitate the change that I believe is occurring in the world right now.

1:19:20BubblemanWell, it's not too hard to... One real quick second, Tony, and then I'll pass it on to you. It's not too hard to really believe in what you're saying in the sense that these very same people for dozens, decades and decades... They told us that cannabis was bad and told us that there was no medical benefits and told us basically the worst, craziest lies that you could ever imagine.

1:19:40BubblemanSo it doesn't seem that crazy when you say they might be lying about other things.

1:19:44DrIt's not that they're lying. They don't even understand it. They don't know. If you're not taught about the endocannabinoid system and you have a medical establishment that is not educated and then they go and only read the scientific papers and have no experience Thank you for joining us.

1:20:21SpeakerYou know, inhibitors of key biological processes for therapeutic effect. But when the discovery of the endocannabinoid system came about in the early 90s, all pharmaceutical companies, without exception, started developing non-phytocannabinoid antagonists of those receptors. And so because they knew right away. So hold on, let me just finish my thought here. They knew right away the value of the biological manifestation of being able to manipulate these receptors in humans.

1:20:54SpeakerSo absolutely, the pharmaceutical companies were clued in and that's where Thank you so much for joining us.

1:21:13SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:21:31SpeakerWe all need it.

1:21:51SpeakerRight, right, right. And so, Bob, believe me, I'm on the same team with you, brother, and I love the content and this venue that we provide for you to get your message out and educate people. I'm just like you, Bob. I'm a nonlinear thinker, and my scientific opinion is basically built on this lifelong experiences of what I see and what I see validated by peer-reviewed science and peer-reviewed journals and So I know that there are the world's experts who are looking at these results in the literature to validate, you know, that this is a CB1 agonist and that this is a CB2 agonist.

1:22:32SpeakerAnd all of that, we have to base our scientific opinion on that huge body of literature, which even in strong headwinds of prohibition has developed a huge body of cannabinoid Literature in the peer-reviewed literature. And so I know we're on the same team, brother. I feel you so hard. And I love your discussion about the electron transport system. Hold on, let me just finish this one last thing.

1:22:59SpeakerI love your discussion about electron transport system. And the one thing I just want to add to this around free radical control is a lot of the antioxidants in the human diet don't have the fat solubility that the cannabinoids do. And CBD in particular, which is a great, it's a resource in all, it's one of those fat soluble antioxidants that I do believe a Diet of cannabis and consuming cannabis over a lifetime deposits this in Oedipus tissue and fatty structures within the body that will forever preserve.

1:23:32SpeakerI mean one of the reasons why You can't pass the piss test if you smoke a joint last week and it's still in your body this week. That's because the human body has evolved to hold on to these molecules as long as we possibly can because these are the molecules that are beneficial from the plant. They're deposited in fatty structures in the body and they're there for a long, long time for a reason.

1:23:54SpeakerIt's an evolved. What you're touching on is an area that's not active. What's that, Sam? I said, what's deposited in your fat is 11 hydroxy THC. It's not active. I'm talking about CBD and all the cannabinoids and flavonoids that in general are prophylactic antioxidants because they're rich with phenols. And these phenols are basically the things that react with free radicals to basically make sure that they're not available to do other mutation of our DNA that Bob so eloquently has discussed.

1:24:34DrIt's very important for people to understand that the term antioxidant has double meanings to it. So if you take an antioxidant like vitamin C, for example, and you combine it with a free radical, you generate another free radical quenched in some fashion by joining with another free radical. They're unpaired electrons. You can only stop them by pairing them. Other things like THC, even though it is a direct antioxidant, its importance does not come from that.

1:25:04SpeakerRight, but there's many other redox shuttles in the body, like there's Iron 2, Iron 3, and there's other ways that the body has evolved to control, you know, imbalances in free radical mechanism. Most of the metal-centered enzymes go between oxidation states, again, and they're sometimes there. To again, scavenge things that shouldn't necessarily be there. One of the most fiercest mechanisms that's in the immune chemistry arsenal is the body has developed a way of generating hydroxyl radical.

1:25:39SpeakerAnd hydroxyl radical is an extremely potent thing that indiscriminately just reacts with whatever it is. When you see an infection in a cut, it's because your white blood cells have assaulted whatever is in there with hydroxyl radical, and it's through a metal centered enzyme mechanism that's been widely studied in something called Fenton chemistry, which has a lot to do with the iron going from iron two to iron three.

1:26:07SpeakerAnd again, there's a lot of single electron processes in the body that are absolutely essential. And like Bob, again, has very nicely pointed out, when you throw a free radical in there, it's like throwing a monkey wrench into a running engine.

1:26:21DrIt may just, you know, get completely obliterated or it may jam up a gear and completely... Let me interrupt you, please, because there's a very fundamental thing that's important to understand here, that we need the free radicals. Because they are the communicators. Every time we damage something, if we are not making too many of them, and if we are biochemically correct, we will fix those damages in a steady state.

1:26:49DrAside from those 20,000 damages.

1:26:52SpeakerYes. Right?

1:26:52DrThat are hitting every one of the 15 trillion cells. So what we have to be able to do is make sure that we provide our biochemistry with the survivability options that are required. And one of the most fundamental fuck ups that we are doing so societally is we both hydrates and we don't burn enough fat. Because again, the fat is the recycling and the carbohydrates are the waste generators in the sense that those free radicals that are produced by excess food consumption Not enough exercise.

1:27:25DrYou know, if you're exercising enough, you're not consuming, you're not wasting the free radicals. What our bodies are doing is we do things like we make fiber and we make fat in an effort to prevent us from burning too many free radicals because everything is feeding back to everything else, trying to compensate so we don't make too many free radicals. So the first line of defense are the antioxidants.

1:27:50DrYou know, your vitamin C, your glutathione, things like those. But as soon as you start making too many free radicals, then the biochemistry is sensing those damages because there are enzymes and things that recognize damages in DNA, damages in fats, damages in carbohydrates, and they in turn shift the biochemistry. Think of psychedelics. Think of the flowing hallucination of LSD. That's what's going on in your biochemistry. There's this constant homeostatic, multidimensional flowing relationship of psychedelic patterns that we have to maintain.

1:28:27DrSo the next level, if we make too many damages, we turn on a protein called UCP2, uncoupling protein two. And what that does Is it allows protons to leave the mitochondrial inner membrane where they accumulate and power ATP synthesis and it basically wastes them and generates a little bit of heat. And in doing that, they're not making as many free radicals. So the cell is now protected.

1:28:51DrIf you continue to eat too much shit and continue to make too many more, the next stage that a cell will take to try and protect itself is to turn on fat burning. And when it turns on fat burning, it stops synthesizing the things that it always makes and recycles things. So even though fat burning is free radical producing in itself, it doesn't need as much energy because it's recycling components.

1:29:20DrAnd that allows us to then resurrect. So depending on our balance of self-destruction versus self-repair, that's what determines our disease state.

1:29:32SpeakerBut when you say self-destruction, you do mean like the upregulation of apoptosis, which is, again, a normal process by which the body is in place to control any abnormal cells or any… Right.

1:29:46DrI'm talking about cells not apoptosing. Right.

1:29:50SpeakerOkay.

1:29:51DrLet me explain again. Let me back up to what I mentioned earlier with replicating DNA. Okay. The cells naturally, when they are in S phase, have turned off the electron transport system in favor of aerobic glycolysis, which is a very inefficient way of making energy, but will not generating the free radicals. Now, another escape mechanism from too many free radicals, another cell survival mechanism, is to turn on recycling.

1:30:20DrTurn on recycling, which fucking blew my mind. We did these experiments years ago. Is that if you take a drug sensitive cell and look at the DNA repair enzymes, they're all there. So the assumption would have been that I had when I did these experiments was that, well, these drug resistant cells must have a whole lot more DNA repair enzymes. In fact, they totally shut off all repair mechanisms.

1:30:51DrAnd in fact, have turned on fat burning in drug resistant cells. It fucking blew my mind. I sent samples out to friends around the country and had them reproduce the shit with these cell lines because I couldn't believe it. So I spent years trying to understand what the fuck was going on. And that's when I finally realized what's going on. And that's what I share with you.

1:31:13SpeakerWell, it totally makes sense in an evolutionary kind of way, don't you think? I mean,

1:31:18DrYes, it's all about the unfolding of complexity driven by flowing energy.

1:31:23SpeakerYeah, but also how Mother Nature is using her chemistry set to basically change to an adapting environment, which is, again, an evolutionary pressure that's part of human evolution that has been passed on through us through, you know, eons, right?

1:31:40DrWell, it's the flowing energy that drives the evolution. Evolution is not an accident as it's taught. What it is, is it's driven by the flow.

1:31:49SpeakerIt's an adaptation.

1:31:51DrPardon me?

1:31:51SpeakerRight. It's a thermodynamic, it's a manifestation of thermodynamic adaptation in the physical environment of the biome.

1:32:02DrYeah. Right? Because, see, what we're doing is we take in high frequency solar electromagnetic wavelengths. And we use those to power. Acoustics. And we reemit infrared, which is a lower energy. So what we are doing is we are accumulating information out of the sun that we trap in the biosphere. And it's the same with us because everything is a dynamic fractal. And by a dynamic fractal, what I mean is instead of reiterating the same algorithm each time, each algorithm

1:32:42DrSo that's what evolution is, this constant re-adaptation of the biochemistry as we change the environment. The first life on the planet were prokaryotes four billion years ago. And they lived off sunlight and geothermal, you know, hydrogen sulfide and nasty things, but chemical, you know, autotrophs. And After a billion years, they changed the atmosphere from a reducing atmosphere to one that had oxygen. And over those billion years, you had a billion years of corpses, prokaryotic corpses.

1:33:15DrSo now you finally had a new potential. You had the ability to burn those corpses. The evolution of the eukaryotic cells that evolved their complexity until you had multicellular organizms. Until you had the transition from the invertebrates to the vertebrates and all evolution, all I'm saying is that all speciation is simply the chemistry set We're an individual that the chemistry set is changing. And right now the chemistry set is changing and we are actually watching the evolution of the human brain as we feed in more cannabinoids and foster more of these fat burning modes, which is what CB2 is doing to promote health, but to mutagenize us so that we stay that way and we become what we are trying to be right now.

1:34:08DrWe are tasting the future by using cannabis. Fucking right.

1:34:14BubblemanI think that's well said and I want to bring it back to Shona and it was something I wanted to mention quite some time when you were talking about the flow and the energy and sort of one of these things that cannabis really seems to do is sort of release that flow that sometimes gets built up through belief system and Shona you were talking about it I think you said after three days you realized you were going to live to see your grandkids You know, is that you feeling the healing taking place, or is it cannabis unveiling a truth right before the healing is about to take place?

1:34:46BubblemanBecause it was a profound thing that you said, how you, you know, after three days of taking the oil, you knew you were going to live to see your grandkids.

1:34:57BubblemanOh, is she frozen up there?

1:35:01DrIt's both. It's both. It has to be both.

1:35:04BubblemanRight. Simultaneously. It's the old what came first.

1:35:07DrWell, they go hand in hand, you know. It's which came first, the chicken or the egg, you know.

1:35:12BubblemanI'm going to hit Shona up on private message to see if she got frozen.

1:35:17SpeakerWhat we're talking about is if we look at it as one cell and there's a hundred forms of communication coming at that cell and we can understand four or five percent of that, as we awaken and get more aware and start to evolve, we understand all of those communications and things that are being thrown at us. And we have different stages of that evolution, even as we grow and as we age.

1:35:40SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:36:08SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:36:24SpeakerWhat you're saying is that I think everyone is taking shots. We're all rangers here trying to take down the big transformer monster. The whole panel here are rangers. In your shot, you've taken lots of shots. You've been doing it for 10 years. And you're like, man, I really need the head shot. I really need the head shot. And it sounds like maybe taking the energy that you have and the knowledge that you have, and that first step is making a mandatory endocannabinoid course taught in all universities.

1:36:51SpeakerAnd anyone that goes in the medical field is required to learn about that.

1:36:57DrBut see, they don't teach them, they teach them from the perspective of big pharma. They don't teach them that life is, our lives are... What would it take for you to do that, though?

1:37:07SpeakerWhat would it take for you to pioneer getting that into accredited curriculum across all universities?

1:37:16DrMy attitude is fuck them all. I want other people to learn it. And the people implemented. And that way, the next generation of universities will shift. You see, you got to have people who know the people who are in there. They can read this stuff. But if you have an experience that you don't really know, I had a big fight with Mishulam about this because they wouldn't let me speak at the conference.

1:37:38DrI was going to I figured, you know, I don't bother in general with the science world. And I saw Mishulam was going to go there and I like him, you know, and. They'll take my shit since I was the chairman of the bio department and this is part of the university. They fucking wouldn't take it.

1:37:55SpeakerWell, I like to bridge forms of communication, and the one thing that you said about that, so let's look at the United States, and it's a religious-based country, you know? Almost said company, sorry, Trump's in office. It was always a country. Freedom separation between two states. It's not a religious country, what are you saying? Thank you for watching.

1:38:41Etienne FontanIt is predominantly, yes, overseen as a Christian nation, although it's not founded, nor is it actually.

1:38:47SpeakerSo let's communicate our message as Rangers to the government at B, and take quite note, and let's look at what their scripture is. And their scripture, if we look at Genesis 1, 29... Whether you look at the new international version or the new living or the English standard. That book is full of shit. Wait. Now wait. That's their form of communication. That's their form of communication. Like when Lot gives his daughters.

1:39:18SpeakerThat's a much better story. It ends much better.

1:39:20Etienne FontanLet Tony finish his thought before we interject, please. Anytime.

1:39:24SpeakerAnytime. So if the majority of where we are communicates and believes in such form of communication in this particular book, that is the form of communication in which you need to talk to them in to be able to get them to understand what it is when you're writing laws. Well, you know, that's not the only thing, though. I'm not done, though. Let me read. Let me finish where I'm going with this.

1:39:52SpeakerSo this is an important one when communicating to those that stand by the Bible and want to create policy from that.

1:40:03SpeakerAnd whether you look at any interpretation, English or international, the justice, this is God. I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. So from a religious standpoint.

1:40:22BubblemanAmen, brother Tony.

1:40:23SpeakerFrom a religious standpoint in the United States, that's our argument and our form of communication. If you watch the movie Independence Day, they're like, I don't know how we're going to take these aliens down. You're like, we got to get in the center. We gotta get in the center of the ship and blow it up. Every single one of those movies. That statement was written by some religious freak from the Middle Ages.

1:40:45SpeakerWhy are we paying any attention to it today? The fuck does that have to do with anything?

1:40:51Etienne FontanReally? Because three quarters of society here in America believes that and follows it, including in your state of Pennsylvania. Regardless, more people believe in that religion than believe in that man in office. And I think Tony has a point. If we're going to reach these people, it's the same way back when we went out in the early 90s and confronted people directly. It's still done one-to-one, person-to-person.

1:41:15Etienne FontanAnd so Tony's trying to find a way to linguistically connect to these types of people. And yes, it's through a religion. It's through a text and dogma that I don't believe in either. Yet I have still utilized it in areas because you get confronted with it because these people have such a strong belief in that book and that their path of life and that you should follow it.

1:41:37Etienne FontanHowever, by going out there directly confronting them with cannabis, us good rangers right there, Tony. We're out there and we'll... Power Rangers, in fact. Correct. Special backpacks. Cannabis Power Rangers, regardless. It's still trying to find a way to communicate. It's just like a couple weeks ago when the wonderful lady was talking, Dr. Scaldone, and in comparison, it's still... No, it has no comparison to there, but it still points to the linguistic communication that we have to find ways to communicate with these people on different planes.

1:42:14Etienne FontanShe was talking specifically to those that are Spanish or south of the border, where Tony is talking about the reality that we confront when we leave our little bubble here in the Bay Area. Trust me, you get hit square in the face of, you know, a religion and... Whether you believe it or not, which I do not, but I know that book backwards and forwards because I went to Catholic school and I studied it.

1:42:36Etienne FontanAnd why I don't believe it is because I read it. Regardless, I know that there's people out there that do believe it and we have to reach across the aisle. I believe exactly what Tony is saying. We need to find ways to reach across the aisle to communicate to those that are not converted. Us talking to ourselves is just... I would say we are in...

1:43:11Etienne FontanYes, we are committed, but at the same time, I think that Tony is right that we have to find ways to reach across the aisle. That's all I want to communicate.

1:43:20DrThere's only one way to reach across the aisle. It's so natural to do that, though, because of the healing oil in the Bible, as well as the seed-bearing plants. But when you link that together with health, so they understand that God is giving them health through this instrument, I found that to be very effective. You've got to remember, I taught in Colorado Springs. Thank you. Thank you.

1:43:42DrThank you.

1:44:10SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:44:35SpeakerAnd when that test comes out, what that'll do is it'll link those three things together. First, it's religious right. Second, there's real science and doctors know about it. And third, there's actually a supplement on the market. And that's when we actually can take a real fight at fentanyl and opiates that are killing people every day by saying, look, we've developed internally as a core industry and we've developed these different types of ways to come at it.

1:45:01SpeakerAnd religious is not being used The religion aspect of this is not really being used, at least in the United States, whereas in other countries, it's religious rights, and they get it first.

1:45:13DrWell, here we have religious rights, too, and people get screwed with them. So that's why I've created this thing, evolutionism, because if science is my religion, and my religion intrinsically incorporates cannabis, then I have a right to bring in my Bible, and my Bible are the 13,000 peer-reviewed articles. That then have to get entered as evidence. Fuck them.

1:45:39Etienne FontanWelcome back, Shona. It's good to have you back here. We saw you had minor technical difficulties. Can you hear us?

1:45:45SpeakerYeah, I had to actually plug the phone in. Darn thing died, so I took a moment to get a new coffee and come right back.

1:45:52Etienne FontanYes, this will drain a battery very quickly, so it's good to have you back.

1:45:58SpeakerHe just wanted to come on here and talk about how Brickwood was so much better than Colorado. And it just made her feel so much better. And I was like, forget that! But yeah, there was a second chapter to this, though, when you got cut off. And I was interested to hear when Bubble Man asked you. I don't know if you heard the question. I didn't actually shut off as soon as he goes, hey, Shauna, let's go to you.

1:46:20BubblemanThat's hilarious. No, I was just asking in regards to, I mean, Dr. Bob answered, but you'll have your own answer as well. In just the sense of that, we were talking about the energy that is cannabis and it's how it fits into this flow equilibrium thing that Dr. Bob talks about. And just sort of talking about how when you had been using it for only three days, I guess you had been taking it orally, the oil, you said that you had felt like you knew you were going to see your grandkids live, like be born.

1:46:51BubblemanAnd so I was kind of, the question was mostly in regards to, you know, do you feel that you were already on the mend, already healing, or was it sort of this sort of truth that is unveiled, much the way Todd called it, you know, helping him down his path. I've called it many times in my life a guiding light in my life. And so just how you felt in that first moment of after three days of using it and feeling this overwhelming feeling of like, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:47:45SpeakerIt was so phenomenal. I mean, I didn't need the use of my cane anymore. And I was able to actually do things more and more every day. It was an amazing feeling. And it made that inner child in me believe in the unbelievable again. Because it's true. I mean, the things that I was seeing, the things that I was feeling is absolutely true. And I wasn't able to get anything Any kind of relief like that from the pharmaceutical companies or the physicians or even the doctors.

1:48:22SpeakerSo for the fact that I had had so many surgeries and almost every organ taken out that you can have taken out and still survive, the fact that I had made such a huge turnaround. When I first met Dr. Bob in 2010, he hadn't seen my medical records and in In fact, he just now seen my medical records this month. Even he can attest to you at how debilitating and how many years I spent in and out of the hospitals and not able to function as a human being, let alone a parent.

1:49:00SpeakerAnd when you find cannabis and you get that resurgence of a second chance at life, You do everything that you can to keep it and tell others about it because you can't have this kind of knowledge within you and literally see someone that you care about or someone that you even know another human being in pain and you can't keep that from them when you know you have an answer.

1:49:28Etienne FontanShona, can you do us a favor? Some of us, of course, on here know, but of course many of our viewers are not aware of your history. Can you walk us back a little bit of why you're here today talking as a patient, of what transpired for you from your perspective so that people can get an understanding of why you're here with us today as a patient?

1:49:51SpeakerWell, I mean, it Friday, I have a court case. So after being a very avid, outspoken activist, I fully believe they targeted my child and led police to surround my home, which is ensuing in a criminal defense trial. Now, initially, they took my child. And it became a child in need of care case. Excuse me. And thank goodness with the help of Dr. Bob, he came down and he was able to make history in Kansas.

1:50:34SpeakerYou're not allowed to say medical marijuana because in the state of Kansas, that doesn't exist. So Dr. Bob was able to come in and make history. And he testified on the endocannabinoid system for about an hour and gave a phenomenal education to the court system here in Kansas. Which inevitably led to my getting my child back. So I'm winning along this way. It's just come Friday is the start of this.

1:51:05SpeakerI'm sure what is going to be a long criminal.

1:51:07Etienne FontanSo walk us back here just a second here. So who arrested you? Who came to your door originally and arrested you?

1:51:17SpeakerWell, what happened was they came to my door. And I had left the house to go do my taxes. And I came back and had my phone in my hand and I video recorded them. Now I had... Who was them?

1:51:34Etienne FontanWho was them? Is it a local police? Is it sheriff or is it state?

1:51:38SpeakerIt was local city police and Department of Family and Children officers there. So like CPS. So... I had officers in my backyard. I had officers in my front yard on my porch. I had the DCF officers. And I refused to let them in my house without a warrant because I fully believed that you couldn't get a warrant off of what a child said at school. So I demanded a warrant be gotten.

1:52:13SpeakerThey barricaded me outside of my house. They wouldn't let me in. And they didn't get a warrant for I want to say like four hours later.

1:52:25Etienne FontanDid they physically put themselves between your door and you so you could not go back into your home?

1:52:30SpeakerThey physically did that. And then on video, I have them saying that we would be arrested and there would be an altercation if we tried to get into our home.

1:52:41Etienne FontanSo how did that make you feel while you're standing there going through that?

1:52:47SpeakerOh, because I knew the questions to ask and each officer, anytime I thought they screwed up, I'd ask them to repeat their name. I was absolutely dumbfounded. I'm a huge constitutionalist, a huge Ron Paul fan, and I'm sitting here going, wow, the Bill of Rights is gone. And you can. You can print out the Bill of Rights and then start watching that video and start just checking them off.

1:53:13SpeakerYeah. You know, they said, I'm asking them, why are you in my backyard? Oh, well, the police have the right to where the, have a right to be where the public has the right to be. And I said, you know, the public doesn't have a right to be in my backyard. They proceeded to tell me that my fenced in backyard was an open field. Can I ask you what, what exactly did your child say?

1:53:35SpeakerAh, so there was a drug education class going on. And so let's see, I think I said this earlier. It wasn't. I'm told that it's not DARE. It was a counselor that had come up to make a gateway drug presentation. So in all reality, they were talking about cigarettes. And I happen to smoke cigarettes. And my son says, hey, my mom smokes a lot. Well, that got a laugh out of the class.

1:54:09SpeakerSo when the teacher tried to calm the class down, And he tried to transition into marijuana. My son spoke up and said, my mom calls it cannabis. At that point, they took him out of the room to question him further to find out what more he knew about cannabis.

1:54:31Etienne FontanAnd you had no knowledge or understanding that this was taking place in any way, shape, or form?

1:54:35SpeakerAbsolutely not. He was only 11 years old. I absolutely fully believed that that wasn't legal. So it's just a regular day at school. Absolutely illegal. That's not legal at all. That's entrapment. You can't do that. There's going to be a lot of things brought up on Friday. Yeah, it happens. These stories are rampant. And when you go... And you get into the people that have looked into the drug war and shattered lives.

1:55:04SpeakerMy friends Chris and Mickey did a whole book about the people that had their lives ripped apart by the drug war. And these tactics are not just legal, unfortunately, because the courts let this happen. They use this. They've used it since a long time, since the 80s. And this is why, and I hate to say this, my mom was like, okay, Todd, this is a lighter, right?

1:55:25SpeakerI'd say, yeah, she'd say, wrong, you've never seen one in your life. And, you know, she was so upfront with me about what would happen if I was honest with these people. It was somewhat terrifying, but listening to you now really resonates with me when I was a little kid and my mom would hold up a bong and say, you do not know what this is, you've never seen one of these, you do not know what easy-widers are.

1:55:46SpeakerAnd, you know, and I was like, a little kid, but she was afraid of exactly this, and obviously now... With good reason, because it's hard for me to believe that I'm frigging 46 and you're dealing with this now when we have so much understanding towards medical cannabis and legal adult use of cannabis. And if you were a wine drinker, if they were joking about beer and wine instead of cigarettes and cannabis, you would not be having this issue right now.

1:56:14SpeakerNo, but the thing is, is my son, my youngest son was only four years old when I healed using cannabis. And we moved to Colorado as fast as we could. So you have to understand from the time he was four until the time he was, what, eight or nine when we came back, he was grown up with me educating people on a daily basis, consulting other patients, talking to physicians, talking to growers, talking, you know, all the time.

1:56:47SpeakerIt was, I raised my children not to be afraid of it. I raised my children to absolutely know and understand that it's medicine fully, but that it's also normal and it's just a plant. So they weren't raised, or especially he, he wasn't raised with the whole stigma. Now, when we came back to Kansas, mind you, we did have a talk. We did have a discussion about how It's not okay in Kansas.

1:57:18SpeakerBut can you understand how confused he was about that? Being raised in this environment and then going literally from a Very open place, not just Colorado, but from our home.

1:57:34Etienne FontanIt was just a child's innocence. It was just his honesty at the time that caused this complete set of ripples of repercussion because you raised him normally, and I respect that greatly. However, Kansas did not understand nor respect your understanding of this, and so it spiraled into, it started off as a simple situation that has literally turned into a fucking nightmare for you.

1:57:57SpeakerAnd we have to expect them to act that way. It's not right that they do, but they will act that way, and we have to act preventively. Well, they screwed up with me. I mean, I lost my house. I lost everything due to medical bills. Finding cannabis was my last saving grace, and then tried to make it in Colorado, separated from my husband, and literally lost what I thought was my whole family.

1:58:26SpeakerAnd, you know, come back here as a single mom to try to make it. I fully felt confident enough to come back to Kansas. For one, I wasn't going to be on a list. And for two, there's plenty of science, plenty of science to back up if anything was to ever happen to me. So I never, ever thought in my wildest dreams that they would go after my child.

1:58:50SpeakerAnd that was the biggest mistake they ever made. I lost everything. And the only thing that I had left was my children. And you take my child and I will show you absolutely that I'm not the one on trial. They are. You've got to understand that many or most or all parents feel that way. And hundreds of children have been taken away for this exact same reason.

1:59:17SpeakerYeah. And it's got to stop. It's absolutely, they are not a commodity. And, and honestly, You've got to look at history. I mean, hell, according to the Geneva Convention, under their own rules of war, this is a self-proclaimed war by the United States government against people who use drugs. And you don't go after someone's child in war. It's against the rules of the Geneva Convention. I mean, the The things that they're doing is absolutely heinous.

1:59:53SpeakerAnd especially with the world the way it is now, people really need to wake up. They can rationalize it really easy by saying they're protecting the children from people like you. I have proven in a court of law now that it is absolutely not harmful. No. Parents like you are good people. And you know, one of the reasons I was such a proponent of Proposition 64 passing here in California was because even though we had medical cannabis since 1996, for the past 20 years, Child Protective Services has been tearing children away from their parents.

2:00:28SpeakerAnd causing their parents, even if they were bonafide, legitimate, many doctors writing their doctor scripts, medical marijuana patients, child protective services were putting them in a position of if you don't give up marijuana, because we don't see it as anything different than any other drug that's illegal without your justification, we're never going to give you back your kid. And here in California, people were literally losing their right to medical cannabis, losing their kids, having a drug test to try to get their kids back, All while we had what some people were calling legality and we shouldn't have changed from.

2:01:03SpeakerSo I was really glad that Proposition 64 passed. Sometimes, Todd, it wasn't even true. It was a divorce situation where one of the parents said the other one is a chronic smoker, even if they weren't. Well, without legality, we were in a really bad situation, and it's parents that shouldn't lose their kids because they smoke pot. You know, I mean, realiztically, we need equal rights like wine drinkers or cigarette smokers or people that just follow the advice of their doctor.

2:01:34SpeakerYou shouldn't lose your kids because your doctor prescribed you something and you have to go to the pharmacy and pick it up. This is like a flawed way of thinking on so many levels. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

2:01:46Etienne FontanAnd Shona, I just have to say thank you for standing up and fighting and actually doing something with this and lending a voice to help others because a lot of people get put into this position and they cower or they run away or they handle it in many different ways. Not many are strong enough to stand up as you have and be so brave as to do so.

2:02:07Etienne FontanSo thank you.

2:02:10SpeakerI've almost lost my life on this. I almost died even in October. So I really am pushing for this fully because it's disgusting how we've come. And it's another reason why a lot of people are saying I'm shooting the moon by trying to promote the repeal of prohibition. Because I've seen the legalization happen throughout this country. And once legalization happens, then regulations are created. And that's where criminals are created when there were none before.

2:02:47SpeakerSo none of this is going to really stop until we understand, you know, the science behind it. Understand that we cannot function as human beings without an endocannabinoid system. Understand that all plants, all plants on the planet Potentially have cannabinoids or cannabinoid-like products and that the cannabis plant is the most abundant and it's nothing different than taking a vitamin of the plant life of this earth. Once you start explaining that, people actually get that and understand it and they're like, oh, well, that absolutely makes sense now.

2:03:23SpeakerIt is human instinct, just like it is human instinct to drink water or to seek out food. You can't make that illegal and that's one of the things that I hope to prove. Through this court case, a biological necessity for all. It doesn't matter if you're using it recreationally, you're still using it medicinally whether you realize it or not. So what if I'm using it religiously? Is that medicinally whether I think so or not?

2:03:52SpeakerAbsolutely, because if you're trying to... Only on Sunday. Only on Sunday, right? No, but if you're using it to advance yourself... So if you're, and I'm not a religious person, so I don't even understand Lent. But anyway, if you want to make yourself better in any way, shape, or form, and if you feel better by using cannabis and feel like you are closer to your God, then by God, yeah, that is helping you.

2:04:27SpeakerThat's helping you get out of a depression in a different way than what a pill would.

2:04:33BubblemanIt's hard to feel bad when you feel good, Indra.

2:04:38SpeakerAbsolutely.

2:04:42BubblemanThat is the truth right there. That was an Indra quote I was quoting from a while ago that he said. And it's very simplicity. It makes a lot of sense. You know, you do just feel so the great subtle feeling of enjoying your first

2:04:59SpeakerI did have one disagreement, I think. Did you say other plants have cannabinoids? Yeah, other plants have cannabinoids or cannabinoid-like products. It's called cannabimimics. Yeah, but cannabinoids or cannabinimics? I understand the difference. Okay, the actual philosophy behind that is called cannabimimics. Yeah, but what are... And yes, they have found cannabinoids in other plants. Which plants? Like echinacea. No, it does not have CBD in it. No, no.

2:05:36SpeakerYou know what, though? Instead of setting that up for failure, Sam, just, you know what? A lot of people, Sonia, have this misconception, but you can actually say with confidence that one of the wonders of cannabis is, for instance, dimethyltryptamine, DMT, is found in over 26 varieties of plants. And as ATN will point out, a couple toads. But cannabis is the only plant on the planet that actually makes cannabinoids.

2:05:59SpeakerNo other plant actually makes the chemicals that we find in cannabis. There are plants that mimic the cannabinoids and the endocannabinoids, and then we'll work with those receptors, but those are not, in fact, cannabinoids, and those plants are not, in fact, making cannabinoids. Just so you know, this is science. Yes, and I'm so sorry I missed. Schooled me on it really clear because he found it annoying too.

2:06:25SpeakerAnd Sir Sam over here also finds it annoying because there's a lot of misinformation. And if you read it wrong, there are misleading headlines that will make you think, oh, these other plants do this too. It's not true. Cannabis is amazing. And it's... Dr. Lester Grinspoon actually comes forward that it should have its own branch of medicine because now that we understand so much about the endocannabinoid system, we have, you know, cannabis is the only place these cannabinoids come from.

2:06:53SpeakerIt's really quite fascinating. I'll send you a piece you can read about it at a later date. Oh, Todd, you did splice THC and CBD-producing synthase genes into yeast in Germany and another university. That's different. But that plant is now producing cannabinoids. They're not naturally occurring, though. And so there's no other plants that naturally have cannabinoids occurring. You're correct, Todd. I'm just screwing with you. I love you.

2:07:25SpeakerThe cannabinoids are leading us to the cannabis plant.

2:07:31Etienne FontanYou need to turn your mic up a little bit, Andrew. You can barely hear you.

2:07:35SpeakerThe cannabinoids are leading us to the plant itself, just like a trail of breadcrumbs through the forest. And it's the only one that produces the cannabinoids, and that's how we're ending up at that point. So I don't know what's wrong with the microphone. Sorry, gang. And the terminology that Dr. Grinspoon is using is caniopathic medicine. Yes. And it's really great. He wrote a whole piece on it from my next book, Grow Medicine, which everyone will get to read pretty soon.

2:08:04SpeakerI'm working on it. And he makes a really great argument why we have a homeopathic and allopathic medicine and we need caniopathic medicine because of our endocannabinoid system and the fact that cannabis is the only place in nature we can find these cannabinoids.

2:08:21Etienne FontanAnd that every human has an endocannabinoid system and its necessity. And thank you, Shona, for proving that in court. And thank you, Dr. Malameed, for actually going to court and showing that. So in the dark, one of the darkest places for prohibition right now in Kansas. So we have to start in the dark and let the light shine in and disinfect it accordingly.

2:08:42SpeakerCan I ask you, Shona, what part of court are you at right now? What is going on in the proceedings? Unfortunately, I've been prosecuted a ton of times. Oh, I haven't even been arraigned yet. So I'll be arraigned on Friday. It's been two years. I'll be arraigned on Friday, and then we're going to have a motions hearing. We'll list out the reasons as to why We would like to demand dismissal of charges.

2:09:11SpeakerWhat are you being charged with? What are you going to plead not guilty to?

2:09:18SpeakerThere's several things that I'm being charged with. I believe, I think the endangerment of a child is still on there, even though I won my sink case and the judge has granted me 50% custody of my child. So I still am not, I mean, I don't understand how the court system works. So that is unfortunately I do. What are they going to do? Do you have an attorney yet?

2:09:45SpeakerYes. Oh, that's fantastic. So you're really ahead of the game. Most of the time we don't get attorneys until we plead not guilty. And then, you know, that's when the one will be appointed to you or you go get once things start. You know, so you're not so. So I think you're going to be in good shape because you're already way ahead of the curve than they would like you to be.

2:10:06SpeakerI mean, and they're going to fight a very public battle with you. Obviously, this is not going to be someone that they can push over. And, you know, as you professionalize your defense against them, I think that trying to embrace some of the organizations that that also are working with what you're talking about. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:49SpeakerMore paperwork than the prosecutor will want to answer to, but it will be their duty to answer to the things that you bring up. So you have a long, long journey ahead of you. And truth be told, I wouldn't fear it because, you know, sometimes we have a real lot of... I don't have a...

2:11:33SpeakerI don't have a website. What I've done is we are having a Daubert hearing. I do have these experts. So I've got Dr. Bob Melamed, of course, and we've got Dr. David Allen and Dr. Petro that will come in and they've already provided peer review science journals and studies and A long list of things. They all had to go through almost 5,000 pages of my medical records to be able to do this.

2:12:13SpeakerSo they've all been really working hard. And I think everyone's going to do very well come Friday. Well, all that's going to happen on Friday, Nick, is you're going to plead not guilty. If they're going to actually formally arraign you, it's going to be a very uneventful day. You're just going to stand up. They're going to read your charges. You're going to say not guilty. They're going to ask you if you have a lawyer.

2:12:34SpeakerYou're going to say yes. That's already, well, they haven't done that yet, but here's the thing. It is scheduled to do the motions of hearing and the Daubert hearing. So Dr. Robert Malamide and Dr. David Allen and Dr. Petro are all scheduled to be there on Friday and And to give their expert testimony. So that will be actually, I'm sorry. Is this family court? This is criminal.

2:13:02SpeakerNo. That would be federal criminal, you think? No, it's not federal. It's a felony. It's a felony, but it's state court. It's Kansas. But they haven't charged her with a criminal offense yet. I have been charged. And the problem, you have been charged with a criminal offense. I have. Endangering a child was their criminal offense? Yeah, that was one of them. So they've got me with endangering a child, paraphernalia.

2:13:30SpeakerAt one point they said I had a pound and then I called their bluff and I was like, look, when I sue you to get a pound back, you better find a pound. Because I had two ounces. And so they lowered, they had to re-weigh everything again and then they lowered the weight so it's less than a pound now. I can't remember how much. And then... Let's see.

2:13:53SpeakerIf you're good with a computer, one of the things you could do is set up a free website and start putting your emotions online. Ed Rosenthal, when he was prosecuted, did a great job of bringing a lot of attention to everything they were doing to him. And I think it helped him a lot because even when he was found guilty, the judge did a bold thing and only sentenced him to a day in jail.

2:14:13SpeakerAll of those people are in a federal court and on a federal charge. So sometimes they are absolutely afraid of the media and the pressure that they get. And you're someone that could bring a lot of pressure externally on them where they're just embarrassed to try to answer against prosecuting you in such a hypocritical way. And all these motions and the testimony from your experts and such are the things you could put up online so that people All around could read it and you can have a reference point because if you can just say go here and you can, you know, read the background of the case, it would make it a lot easier for people to understand where you're coming from and how they can assist you going forward as this case, if this case develops.

2:14:53SpeakerBecause obviously if the judge hears your emotions and agrees with you, they could well dismiss the whole thing and say this was a waste of our time. But if they, you know, and I've never ever been nothing but surprised with how ignorant courts can be. If they ignorantly ignore your arguments and move forward anyway, this is where it would be nice to have a shit ton of support on your side so that you could actually really come at them like, you know, with the truth that you have in a formidable way.

2:15:25SpeakerYeah, the day this happened, the day I videotaped officers on my house, I called Joe Grumbine of The Human Solution. I've been working with The Human Solution since day one. And so we've got a lot of different people that have been very, very supportive. This actually hit quite largely online. And what they did was this happened in, I think, March 24th of 2015. They made my first court date 4-20 to try to shame me.

2:16:00SpeakerAnd I called a rally and released that to the news and was like, no. I'm not going to be ashamed of this. You will find out that I'm absolutely proud of who I am. Where did this happen at? In Colorado or Kansas or where? Garden City, Kansas. Garden City, Kansas. Okay, here's a tidbit for you about things. Your voice is down again, Indra. Okay, I don't know.

2:16:28SpeakerIs this any better? Yes. Okay, so I got a factory in the middle of nowhere in Kansas and the town that it's in has a giant reservoir and all of the groundwater in the area is full of uranium and alpha particles and You get a letter from the water company monthly saying, don't drink this and be careful showering in it, which leaves one wondering what the hell is going on.

2:16:58SpeakerBut anyway. The reservoir is surrounded with 7,000 acres of pot plants, cannabis, whatever you want to call it. And that water in the reservoir is the only good water for hundreds and hundreds of miles in the state. So I think it would be at least conceivable that the pot plants surrounding that entire reservoir are in some way playing a role in cleaning the water there. Only if the plants and roots are taken away from the area each year.

2:17:33SpeakerIf they're left there, then the bad materials go right back into the earth. I didn't know that.

2:17:40BubblemanYou guys are talking about phytoremediation.

2:17:43SpeakerYeah, that's correct.

2:17:44BubblemanYeah, we had a company back in the day called, well, we didn't. CGP was a company I was a part of. It ended up being a nightmare, but it definitely was responsible for starting a phytoremediation project in Chernobyl using Ukrainian hemp seed, Zolotinotia.

2:18:00SpeakerYeah, that was one of the most famous ones. The Poles and the Italians have done it also.

2:18:06BubblemanYeah, absolutely. And then it's also other plants do it as well. I think sunflowers are good for nickel. So you can like take nickel out of the ground without actually mining and digging and doing all that destruction. You just melt down the sunflower and you're left with the nickel inside.

2:18:23SpeakerAnd there's one more thing, Shauna. In the late 80s or early 90s, there was a lawyer. Who was going around the country to different police stations with a box full of cuttings and seedlings. And he was trying to get arrested on the premise that With the current ultraviolet radiation going on in the atmosphere and the things that were going on at that point in time, it was safer for him to smoke pot than it was to not smoke pot.

2:18:55SpeakerSo he was trying to get arrested so that he could air this in court. And he went to all different kinds of police stations and he was unsuccessful in getting anybody to arrest him. I don't know. Maybe you can look for the case. Look it up. Maybe there's something you can glean from it. I don't know. I just remember how much publicity at the time he would actually walk into police stations with 100 seedlings.

2:19:20SpeakerHe should have tried harder and gone to Kansas. Yeah, in Kansas they have a tax stamp law and it's a catch-22 because You can go up to the courthouse and file for a tax stamp, but you have to have your marijuana with you. No, you don't. I've got the Kansas tax stamps. You have a Kansas tax stamp? I've got dozens of them. I've been told that you've got to go into the courthouse and do it and present your marijuana, and once you present your marijuana for the tax stamp...

2:19:52Etienne FontanSonia, he collects them just to clarify.

2:19:55SpeakerI have the world's largest collection. He has them from everywhere. He does. He does. He has a federal tax stamp too, but that doesn't mean you have to bring a bag of pot in with you. I've got a federal one too, and yeah, I had to take my bag of pot. Uh-huh. Well, I wonder how much it actually really does help you in any way because... It doesn't help you at all.

2:20:17SpeakerIt just eliminates you. If you don't have the stamp, they hit you with the jail term for the dope and a financial fine for not having the stamp.

2:20:28BubblemanRight. Well, you know... Court, it's a tricky place. They do say things like the truth will set you free. Yeah, well, how about this? Unless you're in court, then you should probably shut the fuck up. That's my mentality. They say to you right away, anything you say can and will be used against you. They want to use your words against you. This is fucked up.

2:20:55SpeakerThis is the point in time where you completely shut the fuck up and say nothing to them unless your lawyer is in your pocket with you.

2:21:05Etienne FontanYes, you declared, I've done this before, federal grand juries and I've done this in federal court. You recite your 5th and 10th amendments. You have your right to not incriminate yourself in America. And secondly, individual states' rights. So I've declared those both in those arenas as well as not swearing upon a Bible because I don't believe in God. I'm so affirmed by the court's understanding. So realize that, Shona.

2:21:33Etienne FontanIf you don't believe in a God, you don't have to swear upon a Bible. But I understand how difficult it is there in Kansas.

2:21:40SpeakerThis is a t-shirt that I made the year after Bill Devane discovered anandamide in the Jerusalem lab of Dr. Mishulam.

2:21:53Etienne FontanI like the chemical structure.

2:21:56BubblemanSam's level of cannabis nerdery is like unparalleled. As if he has a shirt that says, I love anandamides. The year after that, oh.

2:22:09SpeakerWith the chemical structure on his shirt. And what year was that again?

2:22:16SpeakerI forget, 90 or so. And what's cool is that they discovered anandamide in porcine brains.

2:22:27Etienne FontanRight, yes.

2:22:28SpeakerThat's what it was isolated from.

2:22:30Etienne FontanAnd so that's why the pig is there.

2:22:31SpeakerThe pig, of course. Is there any kind of chemical relationship or spiritual relationship or molecular-cellular relationship between eating bacon and smoking cannabis? No, but if you smoke cannabis, you'll love bacon. Not everybody, though. Yeah, everybody does. They just won't all eat it because some of them are veggie.

2:22:55Etienne FontanAnd that's why they make veggie bacon.

2:22:59SpeakerAnd they make turkey bacon now. It's amazing. I cried.

2:23:03BubblemanDid they just cut it off their little rumps? Is that where they?

2:23:07SpeakerOn the turkey? No, it's made for people who won't eat bacon because they're turkeys. All right.

2:23:12BubblemanWell, I don't eat either the turkey or the pig, but I don't know what I am. I'm just a person.

2:23:18SpeakerNothing like a good piece of soy bacon.

2:23:21BubblemanThere you go. I actually don't eat soy. I'm soy gluten free. I don't eat anything. I'm a breatharian. I just breathe the sun's energy from my scalp. So you're into organic yoga then? I'm very much into organic yoga.

2:23:36SpeakerI'm a breatharian, but I only breathe air from the upper stratosphere. I thought you didn't believe in air.

2:23:46SpeakerNow that was a rumor.

2:23:48Etienne FontanSo you're not taking the oxygen out of this room.

2:23:52SpeakerBy the way, if you laid it, happy birthday, Bubble Man. Oh, well, thank you very much. Oh, yeah. Happy birthday, man. Great spot. I was going to say, we went this whole time. This guy's like, man, no one's going to wish me happy birthday. No one remembered. I honestly didn't even. I usually. We need a hash charge. No, we're going to cut you off. Everybody turn your mic off.

2:24:11SpeakerSee if we can do this happy birthday song at the same time.

2:24:16Etienne FontanOne, two, three.

2:24:19SpeakerHappy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. This is all. Happy birthday to you. And more bong hits. All day long. This is even worse than the last time we did this birthday song.

2:24:45Etienne FontanOh, man, we were terrible.

2:24:47SpeakerPretty bad.

2:24:47BubblemanFor real, that was slow motion. Epic slow motion. Happy birthday.

2:24:51SpeakerBecause Mark didn't come on. He's got a guitar. All you had to do was unpause it. He could have played the rhythm. We could have stayed in tune, but no. Oh, I was on mute? Was I? Was I on mute? Yes. All right. Take it again. There we go. There we go. He's playing the sound of silence.

2:25:13SpeakerMarcus Richardson, happy birthday from all of us at Hash Church and around the world.

2:25:24Etienne FontanBubblemon. And many more.

2:25:27BubblemanThank you. Thank you very much.

2:25:28Etienne FontanOkay, in the future we're not getting the band back together.

2:25:33BubblemanNow we're going to get the show blocked. We're going to get the show blocked because Happy Birthday is copyrighted and we just jacked it. We're fucked.

2:25:41SpeakerWell, I think he had a different style. Nobody would recognize our version of Happy Birthday as actually being Happy Birthday.

2:25:49BubblemanWell, if you printed it onto vinyl and played it much faster than it was originally recorded at, I think it would sound okay. It actually says, the Beatles are after me. The Beatles are after me. Exactly. Paul McCartney's not dead. That's if you play it backwards.

2:26:07SpeakerYes.

2:26:09BubblemanMan, hashtags got pretty heavy today. I'm not going to lie. Between Shona's very intense story that's still in the middle. I also am of the school of Todd. I feel very confident in you and your corner, and I would not want to be in the corner of the prosecuting attorney who's definitely lining himself up for a pretty big loss in this case, particularly if she makes sure that she stays public with the case the way Todd mentioned.

2:26:36BubblemanI would definitely... Do that myself. If it was my case, it's always good to have the sort of not the media on side, but the people on side. If you can get the information out onto your own website or onto your own social media, definitely. Yeah, see how it goes.

2:26:53Etienne FontanWithout a doubt, having the media in your corner affects things exponentially because how they spin it and how they take it, it's a one, it's a credit to how we've actually changed the discussion over the past 20 years from where it was just still laughed at and lots of puns, now we just get lots of puns, you know, that's what we're dealt with and I'm sick of the pot puns too but fortunately due to strong You know, people like Shona, people like Todd, people like myself that have actually been through the court system and fought it and won.

2:27:25Etienne FontanYou know, Shona, be strong. You know, realize it's going to be hard. It's not going to be easy. It's, you know, was very expensive for me to sue the federal government, needless to say. But it took a lot inside of myself, and I know it took a lot inside of you as a mother, but at the same time, You've got a child, you've got a family, you've got nothing but as the mother and child bonding just to continue that relationship by any means necessary and it's a shame that you've been harassed due to your cannabis and due to your child's honesty to a point where it is costing you practically your freedom and I hope that on the other side of this you come out squeaky clean and get the victory that you so well deserve and it sounds like You have in place good lawyers and a good idea of where you're heading.

2:28:13Etienne FontanAs Todd stated earlier, you're light years ahead of many people already. And it sounds like you're only setting yourself up for success. So kudos to you.

2:28:21SpeakerI hope you win and get out of Kansas. I hope I win, set precedence, and be able to stay in Kansas so that I can get acreage and actually... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:05SpeakerAnd not always take a plea deal because the system is all about making money off of us. And we've got to be able to stand up and fight back and say, you know what, if you want to try to take me down, you're going to have to take it to trial. I want a whole pair of friends to come around and tell me that I'm wrong for trying to save my own life.

2:29:30SpeakerWell, I personally think you're right. I'm just really worried about the government and what they can do in trials because, like other people have said, we've all been through them. Everybody who's deeply involved with cannabis has been through trials.

2:29:47SpeakerYeah, and it's not easy. It's definitely, it's definitely not easy. But being sick isn't easy either. And we do not normally win, is the honest truth. The thing is, is I was tortured for seven years in my own body. And what's different about my case is, you know, I lived that torture. I found freedom. I did everything in my power for trying to change the law, change society, doing the The footwork and working with other organizations and people.

2:30:20SpeakerSo what is my recourse? And that's what I'll be able to tell the judge. What is my recourse now, sir? Because if if that's your defense, that we've got to go through the proper channels and change the law, then tell me what I've done wrong to make it better because I haven't. Neither has anyone else. And we've been working on this way too long. And the science is way too prevalent for them to not see it any longer.

2:30:44SpeakerIgnorance is not an excuse for the truth anymore in a court of law. Unfortunately, the most ignorant ones on the planet are the ones that are running the courts of law. I would have never been afraid of the court. They're the arbitrators. They're the arbitrators of what's true, dear. They'll tell you even what you can and cannot say. You know what, Shona?

2:31:08BubblemanThis exact same thing happened to me when we told our supporters back in the early 90s that we were going to get hemp grown. All of the old school dudes would say to us this. Oh yeah, when pigs fly. Trust me, it's never going to happen. You're never going to get hemp grown, blah, blah, blah. And it was because they never did. But it took us nine months.

2:31:27BubblemanAnd so don't let anyone tell you that. I truly believe in the sense that cannabis could be like an essential dietary need, that I see that one day. And so why wouldn't it be a case that sets that precedence for people to finally look at it and go, what? That's crazy. That's a news story. The media would cover that. If you won that on like essential dietary needs of humans.

2:31:53SpeakerAnd that's what we're doing. A biological necessity that you absolutely need to live. So your body to proper functionally. Jonah, what did you say your medical condition was? I apologize if I missed it. It is totally okay. I had Crohn's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, endometriosis. Since when? Since how old have you had these diseases? Endometriosis, I probably was 19 or 20 when I was diagnosed with that. I wasn't diagnosed with Crohn's disease until 2002 when I was 23 or 24 then.

2:32:32SpeakerWere you a cannabis user at the time?

2:32:39SpeakerNo, I didn't use cannabis until almost a year in to my disease. And I was begged to try it because I had the same symptoms as cancer patients. So, you know, my husband at the time absolutely begged me to try it, taught me how to roll a joint and helped me learn how to use this medication. He had used it recreationally his whole life. And so I was really interested in the medical aspects.

2:33:13SpeakerSo from day one, I've been with a medical mind trying to experiment on myself and find out what all this can do. And I've just been able to try to share my knowledge with other people. So it's helped you control your acute pain from Crohn's, you could say? Not just control pain. It's actually regenerative. So you have to understand, um, oh, darn it. Hold on. That is a, I'm going to have to even, oh no, someone got it.

2:33:48SpeakerOkay. So, um, it's regenerative and you've got to understand one of my problems that happened, um, in October was I was dealing with a blockage that I couldn't figure out how come I couldn't get over and get rid of, um,

2:34:07SpeakerI had a complete hysterectomy before the time I was 30. They tried to salvage things and they just couldn't. So that threw me into menopause quite early on in life. So, you know, all of this is going on with the trial and there's stress and I'm just completely assumptive that it's the stress that is making me sick and creating this blockage. Well, I knew that I had endometriosis before.

2:34:36SpeakerAnd I'm trying to explain this to the physicians and they're telling me, no, it's just absolutely impossible for you to have endometriosis now that you don't have ovaries to actually produce the hormones needed. And I let them know that, yeah, it's absolutely possible that one of my ovaries has grown back. I actually had a, the reason why I separated from my husband was he was cheating on me.

2:35:04SpeakerSo one of the times that I A few times that I went to a doctor, I went and said, you know, I need a complete full workup. And by the way, this ovary I'm not supposed to have has been hurting. So can we check it out? Absolutely did an exam, felt a mass that was absolutely felt like my ovary. He said it was 25 percent regrown at the time, was not producing hormones.

2:35:29SpeakerSo we couldn't actually call it a working ovary. And that was in 2012. Well, lo and behold, in 2016 in October where I'm sitting in the hospital trying to get them to understand and believe that I've had scar tissue before that has created blockages and this is what I have. They finally went in and did the surgery, found out it was indeed scar tissue and they had to concede that, oh, maybe they left a little bit of ovary in there that regenerated back And that's possibly why.

2:36:07SpeakerWell, I fully believe it's the cannabis oil. It's proven to regenerate. I mean, if it's going to bind and protect while it regenerates nerve endings, why wouldn't it do that with any other tissue?

2:36:25BubblemanIt sure seemed to be the case with Colton Turner's Crohn's. If you see his little video where he holds up a picture of his completely black and dying colon, and then after a very short period of time of using oil, he's got like a regular, you know, red and like what all of our... Beautiful, pink, sparkling colon. Yeah, compared to this black. That definitely holds strong for the regenerative properties of cannabis because there's more than just...

2:36:53BubblemanThank you for joining us.

2:37:14Etienne FontanIt's what sort of deficiencies many people that we already know and have loved for many years have gone through without having that. And what would they have been through or what they would have been if they would have actually had cannabis and access to activate their endocannabinoid system to be healthy. So right on, sister.

2:37:34SpeakerYeah, I fully believe in it. I've seen so much with my own eyes and I'm sure you guys have too about what this absolute Thank you for watching.

2:38:03BubblemanIt's almost, it's almost anything you want it to be. You know, it can be metal. It can be glass-like structures, plexiglass, but still glass-like. It can be fibers and celluloses and medicines and oils. And it's just so many things that it can be. And so helpful in each of those categories that it chooses to be such a helpful, like high end level. Of anything in that same category, whether it's a fiber or a cellulose or a cannabinoid.

2:38:35BubblemanIt goes further. It goes further.

2:38:37SpeakerSo once you have your, once you have your, I'm sorry, but once you have your ECS system completely saturated, then that's when you can start introducing other natural supplements. And all of a sudden they finally work when they didn't work before. So you take cannabis right now to control your Crohn's right now? Yeah. And so what form of cannabis do you find most effective for controlling your Crohn's and how much and what form of cannabis do you take?

2:39:13SpeakerI promote all forms of cannabis because it really truly depends on how I feel. So every single day I smoke. I have to smoke to relax my stomach. Thank you for joining us today.

2:39:44SpeakerYeah, I mean, I find that part of my natural cycle is that I consume and then I'm ready to do my business after that because there's some reflex, at least in my body, in the morning. That's the way I go. I consume and then I'm ready to go because it seems like it gets my digestive tract going like there's some stim.

2:40:05BubblemanBetter than coffee.

2:40:07SpeakerRight. Yeah, exactly. I actually do both of those together. So I think both of those together. Thank you for joining us.

2:40:33SpeakerYeah, I was just going to point to the immune chemistry of the gut itself is all based on regeneration. It's all based on regeneration. It's because the gut is insulted with just a variety of different foods and toxins and all kinds of stuff that it's got to regenerate. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:17SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:41:47SpeakerYou know, endocannabinoid health and, you know, while he was having a surgery. But the reason why I ask you is because, again, I get so many people who reach out and ask about Crohn's and what's the best way and what's the most effective form. And if you think that like oils or tinctures or any of these other products are more effective than others. I prefer taking a pure oil.

2:42:16SpeakerI prefer people, I actually recommend people make it themselves, whether you're going to make it with grain alcohol or pure heat extraction. A lot of people with immune problems have much more benefit with a high CBD oil. The oil and the method that I had found, not only is it high in CBD, but as you brought up earlier when we were talking about how THC converts into CBN, With that period extraction, it takes it up even a notch further.

2:42:50SpeakerSo I believe that it was right almost at 20% CBD and almost at 20% CBN also with like a 12% THC in that oil. So it didn't take my pain away and it didn't get me high, but it made me feel better, if that makes any sense. So I fully... Recommend people to make their own in that way or to get as many different cannabinoids within their body as they can because they're all beneficial.

2:43:22SpeakerWhen you use a high THC oil, it's so good on pain. And so depending on a person's illness and where they're at in that illness would depend on how much of a high THC oil that they would take. Now, With a suppository, I don't even go through molds or anything. I'll just use a gel cap that you put oil into and you can easily use that as a suppository instead of having to go through making molds or actually having to spend money to buy it in that fashion because it gets quite expensive.

2:44:02SpeakerI know somebody who's got a patent on THC suppositories also. Dr. El Sole at Mississippi University. Well, another way to get it in that I found very efficacious over the period of years is I take THDA oil, which is not decarboxylated yet, and CBMA oil that's not decarboxylated. And then I use my method. A lot of people have so much benefit.

2:44:56SpeakerI'm sorry, John. There's no such thing as CBNA. Well, CBDA is what I meant to say. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. That's all right. In order to speak with this microphone now, I have to have it right up against my lips or it doesn't put any sound out. And so it might have sounded like I said that, but I really said in my mind anyway, which I'm sure Sam can appreciate.

2:45:27SpeakerWell, I would take a stab at... I want to try CBNA because I haven't tried it yet. Yeah, that'd be different. I was going to take a stab at answering your question, Mark, because we get a lot. We're in the thousands of patients now, especially in California, and what you described is actually our P4, that exact ratio. But in the Crohn, particularly with Crohn's, you look at it in the gut and you think of...

2:45:56SpeakerWhat they can and can't eat and inflammation plays a big part of that. And then previous medications is also really big. So if they were taking some kind of pharmaceutical or synthetic that caused, maybe they had Crohn's and then they got depressed and then somebody gave them Thank you for joining us.

2:46:35SpeakerAlmost like a chemical footprint that makes them sometimes a little bit more sensitive even to THC or THCA. And in some cases it could lead to different kinds of psychosis and different types of Conditions that are not something that is going to help the patient. The ACA is not going to be leading to any kind of psychosis because it's non-active, Tony, in case you didn't know that.

2:47:04SpeakerYeah, I definitely know that. The ACA is a powerful healing cannabinoid. It hasn't really been explored fully yet. When it's in its acid form, it's very potent. It's probably one of the most potent ones. We must further understand that it's all individual. I mean, one, so what works for me doesn't necessarily work for the next Crohn's patient. Not talking about that, just talking about the fact that THCA is a potent medicine.

2:47:33SpeakerBut every single person needs to find their own magic concoction for themselves and having the absolute right to experiment is essential. And I think it's wonderful that when you make edibles and candies and whatnot that it's absolutely helping people. But what a lot of these caregivers don't understand is like people like me, I can't have too much coconut oil or I can't have too much other kinds of oils.

2:48:01SpeakerDefinitely can't have glycerin at all. A lot of people like to put glycerin in there. I don't have a gallbladder. It actually affects me. So, and people don't get it. I wouldn't put another kind of oil in it for all the tea in China. Well, it depends, you know, the delivery method is important. So if you look at some of the science and you say, okay, Crohn's disease, if someone's smoking or vaporizing, they have some reports out there and there's a lot of stuff done in Jerusalem and vaporizing, you know, is in the 50%, 52%.

2:48:33SpeakerYou know, and that's inhalation. And then if I see a lot of Crohn's patients, and what I'm saying is we have topical sublinguals and capsules, and pretty much every one of the Crohn patients, they gravitate towards the one-to-one THC and CBD. Some of them also utilize the one-to-one CBD and CBN, but that can cause a little bit of Thank you so much for joining us.

2:49:21SpeakerSo it's something that can give them function. I find all of the raw tends to be as beneficial as the activated version. However, I think with those types of patients, they tend to get a lot more pain relief if there's abdominal pain related to it, having the active formulation, especially with what you're saying, CBD and CBN is going to really control any kind of spastic or kind of Thank you for joining us.

2:50:08SpeakerJust to answer your question, it's not a sublingual thing or anything like that. We've been working on a mesh UV nebulizer that you can take those types of non-active and active ratios and deliver them that way, which would give you a much more increased bioavailability than eating it or use it as a rescue in cases where that would happen. Shona, can I ask you, do you use hemp seed oil?

2:50:38SpeakerNo, I don't use hemp seed oil. It tends to go bad quickly. Well, you got to consume it fast. I mean, while we were talking, you know, 25 years ago, there was an activist that had sickle cell anemia. And Sister Samaya was from Los Angeles, and she was an amazing voice of... You know, it was before we got into the oils, before there was even water hash.

2:51:02SpeakerI mean, so she was using hemp seed oil to treat her disease. And while you were talking, I was actually looking up Crohn's disease and omega-3s. And it shows that it's been beneficial for maintenance and remission of Crohn's disease. So I put a link in there. And I don't know if you know this, but hemp seed oil is literally the best source of Thank you so much for joining us.

2:51:51SpeakerOlive oil and canola oil or rapeseed oil and all they were going after were the EFAs and now we know even more about EFAs and it turns out hemp seed oil, your favorite flower, is the richest, most balanced source of essential fatty acids. And haven't they found it repairs DNA as well? Well, it's the fundamental building blocks of cellular development. If you start using hemp seed oil and start putting it in your body and on your body, you feed your body at a fundamental level.

2:52:22SpeakerThere was a lot of work done by a UCLA biochemist. Her name was Dr. Roberta Hamilton. She was fantastic. There's another book that you really should read called Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill by Dr. Udo Erasmus. He's a Canadian doctor. He has a whole chapter on hemp seed oil. We need to realize that food is the first medicine. And we need to feed ourselves correctly because nobody would drive a car through the desert with no motor oil.

2:52:51SpeakerBut we kind of unconsciously do that with our bodies because we don't realize we need that oil. So I'm just trying to say this is something you might want to look at too. I buy hemp seed by the pound and a lot of people benefit better by eating the actual hemp seeds like food. Instead of taking the oil. I do that too, but when you drink the oil, it's cannabis oil is like the other, because when we talk about oil and shatter and stuff, it's the cannabinoids.

2:53:19SpeakerBut when we were talking about these endocannabinoids and mimicking cannabinoids, endocannabinoids are created in part by the EFAs that we consume. So if we eat EFAs- Thank you so much for joining us.

2:53:52SpeakerI got into this because I read a chapter in Jack Harris' book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, about hemp seed nutrition. And truthfully, I didn't really believe it because it just seemed so preposterous that it couldn't be real. But it not only turned out to be real, it turned out to be more true than I would have ever imagined when it comes to the nutritional benefits of that seed.

2:54:13SpeakerShona? Yes. I would highly recommend it. Shona, I got to tell you, this hemp seed oil goes bad because the way they extract it and there's a lot of chlorophyll in it. However, somebody just brought me another five pounds of, uh, held hemp seeds and they said I could share the results with other people. And so I'll be extracting that and it's produces the most perfect golden oil.

2:54:39SpeakerYou can ask Mark about it and the best ISO protein isolate ever tested. And, um, I'll have a bit of that and I can share a little bit of it with you. And you can see, I mean, if you liked it and you thought it was going to be helpful, I could extract a five pound bucket for you or something like that. But right now, a piece of it's going to Dr. Natasha and to the friend who brought it here and paid for it.

2:55:09SpeakerAnd a few other people, Dr. Mark, I'm going to send him a sample of it. So that they can run it through their testing thing. But anyway, Marcus ran it through a couple different labs and he could tell you about it. But not all hemp seed oil goes bad quickly.

2:55:27BubblemanYeah, but it's definitely the case if you're buying it. It's surprising. If you go buy hemp seed oil off the, or hemp, say, dehulled hemp seed embryos, if you go and buy them and actually test them in a lab, you will be surprised that some of the levels that are allowed to be in there, it was like whatever that off paint, that turpentine smell is, is what they ended up finding in the stuff that John ran, but it was from the Thank you for joining us.

2:56:11SpeakerBut then when it breaks down, it goes through stages where it can be good for an external application like massage oil. And then it goes on to stages where it'd be better for paints and varnishes. But you always consume it as fresh as you can. You don't want to eat it. I highly recommend Manitoba.

2:56:28Etienne FontanThey, hemp, they actually make it into little pills. That's what I use. And yeah, I use that myself because I can get it, you know, mailed to me and then I just keep it refrigerated so that it's safe. That's a key thing.

2:56:42SpeakerWhat variety that is, Ken?

2:56:45Etienne FontanWould you enlighten me, sir?

2:56:46BubblemanNo, I'm asking you, do you know? It's from Manitoba Harvest, so it would be like probably the Zulatanosha, the Italian seed, I suspect. But it's been so many years since I was involved with Manitoba or those guys.

2:56:58SpeakerYou had that one guest who said the most popular or the most widely grown variety in Canada is vanilla. So I was just wondering. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. Well, that's what the gals said.

2:57:13BubblemanYeah, I wasn't on church that day, so I wasn't able to comment.

2:57:20SpeakerI missed church that day. Spinola also has stearidonic acid, and when that's put in, it's even healthier than any other variety of hemp seed.

2:57:36SpeakerInteresting. Is anybody familiar with growing with a product called Ormus or milk and honey?

2:57:46BubblemanOrimus.

2:57:48SpeakerOrimus. I was just reading about Orimus.

2:57:49BubblemanI got a lot of experience with that one.

2:57:51SpeakerIt's an acronym for Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic something something. Yes. I love the guys at Blue Water Alchemy. Blue Water, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're great. I tell you what, still to this day, the best food and the best medicine that I've ever consumed has been grown with Orimus. So I highly recommend that to any and all people out there.

2:58:17BubblemanOh, it's wonderful. I think someone was like, I might have even been talking to one of the guys from Blue Water Alchemy, or it was someone that was saying you should get these guys on Hash Church to come talk about this because it's interesting. Oh, they'd be great.

2:58:31SpeakerDon and Scott. I can't remember their last names, but they're Don and Scott.

2:58:35BubblemanYeah, well, that's definitely the second or third time in the last week that I've heard. I was just researching it like a week ago.

2:58:42SpeakerI fully believe, I believe Ormus to plants is what oil is to humans. And when you combine the two, it is only the perfect marriage. So there's a couple schools of thought on Ormus. One is the discovery within the United States, which you'll find in like an online quick search. And then there's Ormus that goes back even to like Egyptian time. And how Ormus is harvested is very interesting in talking about alchemy.

2:59:12SpeakerIt's Imagine if you had a brick that was not solid but rather hollow without the top, without your top side and everything inside was gold plated or platinum plated and you poured water into it. As you, you can, what you would do is it's kind of like charging an electric, it's evaporating the water through static electricity. And this is like an old school way of making this type of Ormus, which some believed was the mana or the brain food behind some of these pharaohs or these godlike half-breeds that once maybe existed.

2:59:53SpeakerBut Ormus, yeah, I know you're loving that, Mark. Ormus found in the United States. I got to Google that shit. Holy fuck. Yeah, and then the other aspect of the United States, when they found it, they dug it up. I think it was in Kentucky or some weird place that a farmer found it. And when they dug it up, it was a very peculiar type of white type of powder and substance.

3:00:21SpeakerAnd when you put it in a jar and you closed it, you could see it. And then when you opened it up, it actually would appear as if it disappeared. But it's a constant change. It's a state that can change, which if you look up what ORMIS means, Mark, this will really get your brain going because there are types of molecules that are very unique and not really discussed that much in the science community.

3:00:48SpeakerThey can be created and they can be created in different grades. And it's where people are using this, there's a natural occurrence of it where there was a... uh... uranium plant where uh... close to a spring uh... up in the northwest pacific where uh... there's this charge from this platinum of some kind the school of thought behind it is that it spins your your cells up so when you have cancer uh... your you know you have a uh...

3:01:20SpeakerI have a different way of explaining it. If someone knows different, please correct me, but

3:01:50SpeakerWhat it is, is it's salt, literally, that they have gathered from different parts around the world that haven't, and this is what Don and Scott do, not, it's just, I know what they do. So they wash the salt off, leaving the monatomic materials behind, like the platinum, the gold, the silver, and all that good stuff. Well then, these guys at BlueWaterAlchemy.com, they've got this giant three-dimensional Merkaba, and they've got copper wire and That's tied powerful stones in each of the corners of this three-dimensional Merkaba.

3:02:27SpeakerAnd on top of that, they've got a Tesla rhodium coil in the middle. And so what they do is they take this salt water that's washed the salt off, leaving the monatimate materials behind, placing it in this absolutely beautifully energetic room. And it takes on that frequency that they're putting out, which is supposed to be the same frequency of the earth. So to me, having all of those monoatomic materials in place, that's replacing the minerals that have been missing from the plant life of this earth.

3:03:09SpeakerAnd I watched a plant come back to life with that stuff. And I felt the effects of Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:03:45SpeakerYou're saturated with your ECS and then you also take higher amount of minerals. You would be very, very surprised at how absolutely heightened you really do feel. There you go. I don't know if I explained that well.

3:04:01BubblemanSeemed to make sense to me.

3:04:04SpeakerIt doesn't make any sense to me, but I... Well, you've got a PhD.

3:04:07BubblemanYou're locked into this very narrow perspective. I know.

3:04:11SpeakerI mean, I'm hearing electrons firing and spinning cells, and I'm wondering what, you know, what are we actually talking about here? The electrons gather in front of a little oven. That's it.

3:04:24BubblemanAnd then they fire them. Hang in there, Mark, someone said. Hang in there.

3:04:31SpeakerYeah, I know. I'm just trying.

3:04:33BubblemanHey, I haven't said anything negative or anything bad. Oh, look into City Tonic. That's what someone said to Dr. Mark. Look into City Tonic.

3:04:42SpeakerCity Tonic? S-I-D-D-H-I.

3:04:47BubblemanYou can do your research off camera, don't worry.

3:04:50SpeakerYeah, absolutely. I just posted you a link to David Hutchison, the guy that discovered it and the most information on it and the atomic and the things that I were talking about. I had never heard the mixture of the things that you said. I've seen it before and seen how it's made, but... It's interesting how that there's definitely like gold, platinum. There's different uses of Ormus, you know.

3:05:18SpeakerBut look at the monatomic David Hutchison that I just linked you to. I will look that up. The Hutchison effect, where he has a room full of... Yeah, this looks like a bunch of bullshit. This looks like a bunch of bullshit to me, man. He has a PhD. Yeah, I don't say he's not a PhD. It looks like bullshit to me. I'm just saying, my quick view is this is all just hocus-pocus.

3:05:46SpeakerCrapola. Bullshit. Well, you did legitimately. That's what people say about cannabis oil, too. It's true. After looking at it for 18 seconds. Let me do some off-camera research on it. Give it at least 37 seconds. I'll sure to report back, Marcus.

3:06:05BubblemanHey, whatever. We want to hear whatever you're trying to say. Truth is.

3:06:09SpeakerWell, you got to remember, with all new information, they say at first, they laugh at you. Second, they agree with you. And then third, they claim they invented it first. Just look at the link I gave you. When I said school of thought, I didn't say it was like an absolute belief. It's just a school of thought. So there's some information on that link I gave you that links it all together and there was a discovery of this substance and it was documented and it is a very strange substance and not all this ormus is the same but that's where you're going to get like you got to just get through it but just start with that because that's the guy that's where this all came from at least in our modern day.

3:06:47SpeakerYeah, I mean, I'll keep it open mind and I'll check it out and I'll look at it in detail and I'll make sure to report back like next week and, you know, let people know like what, what I was able to find about. I can't, I'm just looking at the brief link that you sent me right now and I don't want to be rude to the audience and then read this thing and just come back and forth.

3:07:04SpeakerBut my quick scan of it was, oh my God, really? Are you serious? But yeah, I'll, I'll, um, I'll pay a little bit more attention to it. And I definitely approach it with open mind and everything. But I guess what lost me was the Tesla coil. I was like, okay, this is like, woo. Like I said, that's the first I've ever heard of that. You should read his website because there's not, it's what I was more saying.

3:07:31SpeakerIt ties it, it's pretty deep. Like at first, maybe you thought the website looked that way, but it's, just look through a lot of science testimonials, a lot of information. I bought a testimonial, and I was really. It's very deep, up to your armpits or so. Up to your armpits. Well, look, it's not my company, and that was my interpretation of Thank you for joining us.

3:08:10SpeakerThink that anything's wrong with recommending things. My issue always comes up with is, is this based in any scientific knowledge or is this another one of those? I heard it from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knew Mel Gibson.

3:08:25BubblemanOr is it based on actual experience with the product compared to the people who are immediately dismissing it?

3:08:34SpeakerAnd the reason why I brought it up because it does talk about free radicals and water ionizers and the science has been applied to an actual product that you can buy that I actually use that uses electrolysis between platinum plates to change the pH of the water. What do you use it for, Tony? I use it to change the pH of the water. But why do you, and what does that?

3:08:56SpeakerOh, not, you mean Ormus? Yeah, you. Oh, I personally used it and then basically created with a group of people, Prana and the whole concept of how we need to create medicine that can be personalized. So my evolution with it was actually everything I'm doing today from one spoonful of it six years ago, seven years ago. Well, why don't you take another couple hundred spoonfuls a day, man?

3:09:21SpeakerCome on, save the world, dude. I had a good experience with it and the people that gave it to me were not healthy in their life and they had diabetes and cancer and different things and they're very conscious people that are in tune and create all kinds of products themselves and use products You know, like that the first discovery of superfoods and like what a superfood was came from that family that is in Oregon that introduced me to Ormus.

3:09:55SpeakerSo I did some discovery on it and looked at it and there is, you just got to look at like the school of thought and the theory behind it because you can see how maybe that evolved from an alchemy school of thought into some of this stuff. Now, it's definitely going to be controversial for you. Thank you for watching.

3:10:41SpeakerImagine if we got rid of all the planes that, you know, in a perfect world, all the planes that have been throwing chemtrails on us. And someone actually took that Ormus and put it in planes around the world so that we can fix our planet again.

3:11:01SpeakerLet me tell you, if somebody does that to me, that would be chemtrails. I don't want no Ormus without me having knowledge about it. I don't want nobody dosing me. It's just the monatomic materials. I don't want no monatomics. Yeah. Yeah, really. I mean, I'm sure if you talk to the CIA today, they will tell you that the stuff that's in those chemtrails is just some simple chemical mix or simple powders, simple metallic powders.

3:11:36SpeakerNo, I think they came out last month and officially have been like, yeah, we've been experimenting on you guys. It's no big deal. No, no, no, they didn't. That's the YouTube CIA you're talking about coming out with it. That's not the reality.

3:11:53BubblemanDidn't the CIA start YouTube?

3:11:55SpeakerThe CAA doesn't admit anything, guys. You know, understand that. They admit nothing publicly about anything. Don't they admit that they don't admit anything? Yep. That's the one thing. That's the one thing they admit. They don't admit anything.

3:12:12BubblemanOh, my God.

3:12:13SpeakerBut you can catch them on that one for sure, Skunk Man. Definitely. But I think, you know, what it all comes down to is, again, the wave of communication, what's working for her, what works for people, you know? It's how they absorb that information and the energy and the things that they put into their body. I absolutely agree. If something works, for God's sake, use it. I mean, it's like the same with the food.

3:12:38SpeakerIf you ate food that maybe wasn't as good for you, but you ate it with a negative attitude, you're like, I'm eating this ice cream. This is so bad for me. This is going to make me so fat. I'm going to have a heart attack from it. I mean, you're projecting all of this negative flow as interference as it's going into your body. Rather, you're like, I'm eating this ice cream, man.

3:12:59SpeakerThis is pure. This is made from this, this, and this. And We'll see you next time.

3:13:17SpeakerThere was a study done with rabbits, Tony, where they actually fed them high cholesterol, so they were poisoning them, and one group of the rabbits they treated affectionately. And that group of rabbits lived longer, and their immune system somehow combated the diet that killed the other populations of the other two control groups. And they associated with a state of mind as to being hugely impacted with how we actually digest their food, how we digest our food and how our food is used.

3:13:49SpeakerAnd it made me think, shit, what about all the people sitting in the lines at the fast food places, you know, hating their 30 minute break, trying to eat and sitting in that, you know, exhaust from the other cars, trying to wolf down their food in such a negative space. Does that not in itself, Thank you for joining us.

3:14:33SpeakerIt's interesting to note that the ones that were in the relaxed zone outlived the ones that were in a constant state of stress by a factor of two to one. And so all those things you're describing about sitting in McDonald's or sitting in one of these places and eating that, It's all integrated into your expression of self and what's going on in your life. And if you can sit down and eat that burger and think to yourself, this fucking thing is delicious, or in Tony's case, yum, ice cream, yum.

3:15:07SpeakerI don't know if you really have all that dialogue when you're eating ice cream, Tony. But me, when I'm eating ice cream, I'm like, spoon mouth, spoon mouth, this shit's good, spoon mouth. And I don't really start intellectualizing who made it, where it came from, or any of the rest of that stuff. But maybe for you, that's the highest part of it. It's just an overexpressed metaphor.

3:15:33SpeakerJust an overexpressed metaphor. I eat my ice cream as fast as I can. I'm not down on what you're saying because the one thing that you and I seem to have in common is my father is a diehard Catholic with ruler marks on the back of his hand and my mother's a Jew. That's all we have in common?

3:16:00SpeakerWell, you said that that's what your background was. No, that's not what my background was. It's what I had experienced. Waiting until it comes out that you're both homo sapiens. Yeah, we're both. Then you'll really connect. You'll really find common ground to come together, really. Yeah. I was never forced to any kind of organized religion, but mother was Jewish, dad was Catholic, and somehow I ended up in a Christian private school for like a year or so.

3:16:31SpeakerI got to experience them. Nothing was forced on us. My father, if you asked him about Catholicism, he started right in with the Catholic jokes and the dirty ones. My mother would always admonish him, but their agreement was that she wouldn't try to shove Judaism down our throat, and my father didn't really care whether we took up Catholicism or not. I used to visit all the churches with my friend to try to understand what was going on, why each one was different, and after experiencing them all a few times, Thank you for joining us.

3:17:20SpeakerThank you for watching.

3:17:47SpeakerAnd when they fed rats, I wish Dr. Natasha was on here because I took a look at all this rat thing after she got me started on it. After they started feeding rats both cannabis seeds and cannabis flowers at the same time, their health increased. Hundreds of percentile points above where they were, even though they were under extreme stress. The only thing that they ever fed the rats that de-stressed them was cannabis.

3:18:19SpeakerImagine that. They gave them all sorts of things. You can imagine. They fortified their diet in all kinds of areas. But when they gave them seeds and flowers, the rats all relaxed. So back to something I said a long time ago. The big thing about using cannabis as medicine is that the side effect is you get high and that's the problem that they all seem to have with it.

3:18:42SpeakerYou're not allowed to get high or feel good even though modern medicine is predicated on the idea that medicine should make you feel better. So it's a curious double message that we're getting all the time about You can feel better to a point, but do not get high, goddammit. And even if it does heal you, don't get high. Because getting high is not associated with getting better somehow, even though that's what getting better is all about.

3:19:14SpeakerSo I don't understand the current ideology and mysticism behind pharmacology because sooner or later, in the end, the pharmacology people are going to try to take over pot because These guys, they suffer from the real true gateway drug, money and power.

3:19:39SpeakerWell, I think we're talking the same language here. And I, you know, I view religion as the cellular awakening and cannabis is a cellular awakening, you know, and you know, we'll have to see how the, see how the world plays out. But I do think that the pharmaceutical industries will have to kind of Thank you so much for joining us.

3:20:22SpeakerAnd then let's talk about that high. Let's talk about the cannabis high and compare it. So put THC on the right and say, okay, we're going from 50 milligrams up to a thousand milligrams. And compare the two side by side. And if you look at, and fentanyl is not even proven to really relieve acute pain. So we get a highly addictive pharmaceutical drug that comes into our body, out of our body very quickly.

3:20:50SpeakerAnd it was like what you said earlier, the human body isn't trying to hold on to fentanyl for 45 days. It's trying to get rid of it as soon as possible. That's because it's toxic. It's toxic. It's toxic. So what's happening? Your pooper, it slows everything in your body down. And if you take it enough times in a row, it'll guarantee kill you. Yeah, so our industry's at that strange tipping point where our government, you know, can't stand and watch people dying every day from fentanyl and opiates.

3:21:19SpeakerThey don't have a solution. And in their other hand, they actually have the solution, which is through cannabis and taking this plant into that industry because the supplement's there, but they don't have the laws. And now they have a... Thank you for joining us.

3:22:06SpeakerYou know what, Tony? You know, Tony, I think their consent, they're coming around already because they want the benefits of what we're talking about for themselves and their children, and they rightfully should want the benefits that we're talking about. The pharmaceutical companies that produce opiates are not coming around. The truth of it is, if you're a pain patient and you're taking opiates, Thank you for watching.

3:22:43SpeakerNot if they write it into the insurance programs. They themselves lose money. It's true. People making these drugs are definitely seeing a decrease in their profits now that more of us are self-medicating. Yes, right now they are. And definitely I think that louder than anything we can read in the headlines, the pharmaceutical companies are spending tons of money lobbying against exactly the type of equal rights we're talking about right now because of the monopoly they have on our health and our pain control.

3:23:19SpeakerAnd even though it's killing us, they're still writing us the same tired prescriptions. And what I meant was the people who I meant that are coming around are the cops, the judges, the prosecutors, because they have kids, they have addiction problems, they're looking at this more rationally, and they're listening to what we're saying. And, you know, like I said, when I got out of prison some 15 years later, I had three prison guards retire and tell me that they were now medical cannabis patients and always quietly thought what I was saying was great.

3:23:47SpeakerSo I think more people are listening than we even realize. And it's not a sustainable business model for them because they're feeding us death slowly. Here's death. We're going to get it at 40 cents a pill. We're going to keep pushing death and it's not a solution. So eventually that bubble bursts. And so I do see like there's pharmaceutical ex-CEOs creating companies in New York and People trying at least to bridge that.

3:24:15SpeakerAnd there are companies out there that are in the pharmaceutical industry that at the end of the day, they control the natural products and your pharmaceutical products that you see at Walgreens at your stores. So when you talk about distribution, you think of Coca-Cola and Pepsi. You eventually, if you want to change anything in a massive level into the population, at least in the US or Canada, you have to tap into the ability to one, have an FDA approved facility to process approved cannabis to be able to get it, ship it across the entire United States to where it needs to get to.

3:24:49SpeakerAnd when it does, those pharmaceutical companies that currently own the distribution companies will abandon their toxic business plan and they will try to distribute What we're talking about. I think they'll still keep on selling the nasty stuff. You know, in Alabama, so many people are overdosing on fentanyl right now that they had to bring in 40 reefers, cold storage vans with the fridge units on them to store the bodies in because people are buying this fentanyl uncut.

3:25:20SpeakerThey don't understand anything about it. They're mixing it up themselves on the counter thinking, yeah, this will work. Yeah, right, Ninja. And everybody who tried it overdosed. I mean, they're finding cars with mom and dad pulled over to the side of the road, dead, the kids in the backseat. What's really crazy is if they would have brought in more reefers, they wouldn't have needed those reefers.

3:25:43Etienne FontanBut this is happening all over the United States. I'm reading of this between heroin and fentanyl ODs, the amount of municipalities that are reaching out to refrigerated reefers Thank you for watching.

3:26:16Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

3:26:36Etienne FontanSo hopefully West Virginia will get its act together here and join Pennsylvania and others with medical marijuana because that is just insanity.

3:26:49SpeakerYeah, ATN, I think that the bill passed in the West Virginia House. I think it's off to the West Virginia Senate, then to the governor.

3:27:01Etienne FontanIt's the Senate. The Senate, and they went to the House, so we're waiting on that to go through, and then the governor. Yeah, I went to college at West Virginia University, so I follow West Virginia with a special place in my heart always. Right, so is it on its way to the governor then? Is that right? I was hearing Friday they were doing, the House of Delegates introduced the bill, the same Senate bill, but I have not heard further.

3:27:29Etienne FontanI have not heard an exponential roar or anything else, so it must have carried over into this week, but we're waiting to see. But, you know, states like West Virginia that have So this is where the DEA ought to be having their oversight on the distribution and the legal companies that are distributing cannabis.

3:28:06Speaker7.2 million pills to a town of less than 400 people in West Virginia. I mean, so these are all legal tax paying businesses that operate here in the United States that make and sell and distribute all of this toxic crap. And it's just, yeah, it's amazing. I mean, that's where the DEA is. That's exactly where they need to use their budgets. And someone like Session, imagine if he was, instead of going after our industry, we turned that type of a dog onto the fentanyl industry.

3:28:37Etienne FontanWell, isn't that what Christie is doing? Governor Christie of New Jersey, the anti-prohibitionist cannabis hater.

3:28:45SpeakerHe's been inspecting donut shops.

3:28:47Etienne FontanYeah, well, he's just been put in charge of the opioid crisis, so it's going to be interesting to see because that's a significant shift, people. You have to understand the dynamics that it's no longer the boogeyman cannabis, that they're actually starting to go after some of these real situations is actually a positive thing, and we have to support it because they've been demonizing us and cannabis for so long that now that they're switching to going over to the real problems, You know, we're kind of halfway in a blase when this is we should be calling our senators and our representatives and saying this is exactly what you should be doing.

3:29:22Etienne FontanYou should be going after these criminals. You should be going after the pharmaceuticals. There should not be municipalities that have so many people dying that they have to send out for outsource for refrigeration just to hold the amount of bodies. That's fucking on a whole other level of fucking ignorance and just blowing this whole thing off.

3:29:42SpeakerDon't you think that putting somebody like Christy in charge of addiction is a bit ironic? I mean, he can't stay away from cheeseburgers.

3:29:50Etienne FontanYeah, it is. But at the same time, we have to start somewhere. And if it has to be an egomaniac who chews cheeseburgers by the ton to actually start getting the message out, this is where we have to start. If we continue to mock him because, yeah, he's a fat white guy now in charge of it, then we're never going to breach that discussion as we were talking earlier.

3:30:10SpeakerWhat kind of a job he does before we criticize him?

3:30:13Etienne FontanCorrect. Look, Andrew, I am skeptical and I believe it's a rabbit chasing itself down a hole at a certain resolve, but it does show a shift in the dynamic of the talk that the discussion has changed, that they would rather go after that now because people are actually dying as opposed to they were giving us this bullshit that, oh, marijuana is going to kill people, it's going to make you lazy, it's going to turn you into a killer.

3:30:37Etienne FontanI'm just saying, Christie's entire administration is in jail now.

3:31:05SpeakerUndeniable amount of the population. Getting together and voting yes on anything. Well, just so you know, it's a very large elderly population above 65. So that tells you that even the old school people that you would have thought that were against cannabis have come around. That's what generation we've affected, the 65 plus. Well, part of it's that and part of it is the worst ones, the oldest ones, are gone now.

3:31:36SpeakerWell, and you know, my mother's living in a building and there's a building. I'm 71. Yeah, well listen, I'll be 68 in a couple of months. But let's be honest, the ones 20 years older than us were not particularly cannabis friendly traditionally. I remember my grandmother telling me, if I knew you were selling drugs, I'd call the FBI.

3:32:04SpeakerBut, you know, that is the point now in a way. Here you are, you know, someone that when I was a kid in this didn't seem that old to me and you were in the beginning of a lot of the research, Sam. And, you know, now you and my mom are technically senior friggin' citizens and, you know, you're hippies and you're open-minded and, hey, my mom turned me on the pot and I forever love her.

3:32:27SpeakerBut... You people are now the age of the people that were in the way of progress. And now you're no longer the generation that is in the way of progress. So are you saying we are a wart on the ass of progress? Is that it? No, in a sense, you're the opposite of a wart. You're like the little gold spot on the ass. You're the enlightened old people now that get to actually vote for enlightened shit.

3:32:52SpeakerLike if all the people in Florida are blue hairs and retired, 71% of them got together in their retirement home and went, yeah, cannabis would be good around now. And that's the kind of thinking that we're going to see more of because now more people that are getting to be that age came from a generation of forward thinking people. Right, so now take everyone that's 50 and below, okay?

3:33:15SpeakerAnd the 50 and below, we don't want to retire popping pharmaceutical pills. We want to retire and be able to smoke or do whatever delivery method of cannabis. We want to just be able to relax. If I'm going to retire and play golf or go snorkeling or whatever, I want to be able to freely enjoy my medicine. And if that's what keeps me going in life and I don't have to use synthetics and I can use a topical and a couple capsules, And I could actually walk and enjoy life instead of being addicted to some chemical and some pyramid scheme of basically just pillaging all of the money into one direction.

3:33:51SpeakerNone of us are going to sign up for that. So the trend is moving in such a way that what happens eventually there's what's called the tipping point. And I think we're a lot closer than most people think.

3:34:00Etienne FontanWell, not only is it a tipping point, you're starting to see people. I have an ex-girlfriend of mine who started and is working on right now on a senior center. And then hopefully that they'll actually be a senior citizen's home where you'll be able to utilize and use your medical cannabis without fear of having any type of repercussions. And that is a ripple that needs to happen in every city in the United States and around the world.

3:34:27Etienne FontanIs there a grow room there?

3:34:29SpeakerAll of them.

3:34:30Etienne FontanNo, not yet. But at the same time, they're just trying to start that so that they can get there. But I mean, I want to die in a facility where I'm able to use Canvas if I am at that capacitation level where I am old enough where I can't take care of myself and I need to be invaliding in a home. I still want to be able to know that I have access to my cannabis and right now many people don't and one of the reasons why we had started hospice when we did was because we found that our patients had died and their relatives have come to thank us for providing them with the medical cannabis but then it started to make us realize that well if that was at the end stage of their situation some didn't have access to their cannabis and so that made us go well wow that sucks that People at the end of life do not have access because of also fear of hospice and hospice workers to take care of people.

3:35:21Etienne FontanSo people who are watching out there realize there needs to be a great shift in the medical communities because I saw, I'm constantly reading of people who are being denied Thank you for joining us today.

3:35:57Etienne FontanI hope Laura comes through in the end and as that change that sparks that reaction in the hospice and in the end of life community so that there will no longer be this kind of prejudice so that when you go to a nursing home that you need for your end of life situation that you do not have to worry anymore about access to your medical cannabis. I think that's a front that each one of us are going to confront in our own way, shape, or form because we're all going to die.

3:36:26Etienne FontanNone of us are going How about the ending?

3:36:29SpeakerThey're all turning into cannabis because, you know, drugs are really popular in old folks' homes. I mean, all you got to do is visit one. And, you know, a more happy drug, I mean, cannabis, I think is going to be prevalent everywhere there's end of life because it is such a wonderful tool to embrace the comforts of one's life with and to reminisce and think about things.

3:36:51SpeakerIt's You know, I'm against religion, but I think that cannabis has an air of automatic spirituality when you use it because it connects you to nature. You see the beauty in the simplest of things. Todd, do you remember the ending of Selenite Green when Edward G. Robinson was laying on the table and having all the wonderful experiences as he slowly passed away? Yes. It was the inference of that kind of thing because obviously they gave him some kind of drug.

3:37:19SpeakerThere was a dome theater. He was laying in there and all the nature went by and animals and the music was playing and finally he passed on. And that's the kind of center, you know. It doesn't have to be whatever drug they gave him. Maybe he could get smoked a couple of fatties before he went in. But the kind of peaceful exit. Was that Bruce Dern? No, it wasn't Bruce Stern.

3:37:43SpeakerIt was Edward G. Robinson. And it was Solent Green. And what's his name? The NRA guy. That's right. Now I remember. Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston. Thank you, Mark. But anyway. Yeah, the other old guy. Yeah, right. The idea of a place where you could go and remember your entire life. You know, I've often thought that when you do die, I know that Sam thinks it's just all black and nothing happens after that.

3:38:18SpeakerAnd that's a convenient thing because if you believe that and nothing happens, you won't be surprised. And so I advocate that for those who like that. I kind of feel if you believe that, it'll probably just happen like that. You won't be surprised. We make everything every single day. Look, we're really spiritual beings that our bodies are made of light. We descend into the denser layers of earth here and make these dense bodies so we can experience and learn things that we can't.

3:38:50SpeakerLearn while we're in our pure form of life. We've been doing this forever. It's not a religious thing, so don't start telling me about God, God damn it. No, I wasn't. I was going to say, I think you have the right to believe that, but I have the right to believe what I believe. Of course you do. That's what I said. There's 10,000 religions on the planet, and 84% believe in some form of their religion.

3:39:16SpeakerI do think you have a religion, Todd. It's just called cannabis. It truly is. Well, I think the cannabis plant bred humanity, never mind aliens. It stimulated the brain so that we could then respond by providing a lot of good places for it to grow and propagate. My religion is music because music brings me everything I love and I rejoice. Cannabis is sometimes appreciated along with music.

3:39:53SpeakerI don't need anything to appreciate music, but just an operational brain. I could just close my head and hear a symphony in my brain. So music is my religion. I met my wife because she used to come see my band play. So I tell my kids all the time, if it wasn't for Garcia, you wouldn't be here. So music is my religion. It's a great religion. There's no rules.

3:40:15SpeakerYou get to go to outdoor concerts and smoke weed and check out a lot of good music and It's just music is a great religion to have. Now I wonder how many children are in the world because of Garcia.

3:40:31Etienne FontanI have a question for D420 who is in the house. I have not heard it today. What is that thing I would like to hear?

3:40:42SpeakerBongrim.

3:40:48Etienne FontanWhere is it, D?

3:40:49SpeakerAre you silent? Bong rip? I must have been silent. My mute was done. Bong rip. So nobody heard a bong rip at all today? No. I said probably about ten of them. Really? Yeah, but my mute, my fucking monster mic was muted. Yeah, we didn't hear a single one. I was wondering, because usually it's bong rip, mother lovers. Yeah, bong rip, mother lovers. For sure, let's do it.

3:41:18Etienne FontanI needed my weekly fix, man.

3:41:19SpeakerI learned something about the mic today. The flashing red button is muted. Solid red is on.

3:41:27Etienne FontanThat is the key.

3:41:37SpeakerVery interesting church today.

3:41:40Etienne FontanI'm telling you, man, from, you know, Dr. Malamud to Shona and what a brave woman considering what she has and has gone through. I mean, this has been years she's going through just to get her freaking hearing on Friday. She's been dealing with this harassment. So, I mean, fuck, man. She's bad enough to raise a kid on your own. Now you have to now deal with the court system and them threatening to take your kid on top of it.

3:42:05Etienne FontanFuck. And now you have to prove it to the entire state of Kansas. Fuck that! What a fucking awesome woman.

3:42:12SpeakerYep. Resilient. Very resilient. Good on her. Good job. I'm afraid I would have given up and said, Sam is not in Kansas anymore.

3:42:24Etienne FontanYou would have been clicking your heels really hard and lots and lots.

3:42:29SpeakerReally hard. Well, actually, she's lucky because it could have been Nebraska where they just throw you under the fucking jail.

3:42:38Etienne FontanAnd then the next time you see it, man, I mean, come on, Kansas, Nebraska. I mean, they're racing each other for the asshole cops of the year award. You know what I'm saying? And Nebraska is winning. I mean, well, and hopefully Shona will make sure that by having her victory in court and, you know, opening up the rest of Kansas so everybody can benefit from it. So no more of these parents will have to deal with this type of injustice and bullshit.

3:43:07Etienne FontanSo again, good on her stepping up in a way that she's going to hopefully lead change for all of Kansas. And if you don't think that won't have a rippling effect on Nebraska and all those states that neighbor it.

3:43:19SpeakerGood night, everybody. Marcus is ending it.

3:43:23Etienne FontanWrap her up.

3:43:27SpeakerTodd, take it away, sir. Got 420's mic started working and Marcus has stopped. Maybe there's something going on between you two guys' mics. I think it's a psychic link.

3:43:41SpeakerI don't know. Wow. Okay. Sorry I wasn't paying attention to that, Mark. I apologize. I hope everybody has a great day today. Thank you for joining us for Ash Church. Not really sure why I'm not, why Mark's mic's not working, but everybody should, if you would, please, sir. I think everybody needs to do one more, Darren. Falling rip, mother lovers. Let's do it. Hope everybody has a great weekend, and good night and goodbye.

3:44:09SpeakerI guess we'll wait until the bong hit ends, right, Mark?

3:44:13Etienne FontanCome on, Doc. You got the guitar. Winless one. What do we want to hear?

3:44:20SpeakerBe creative. Make it quick, too. Bong ripping. How about we do Panama Red? Panama Red. Stop speaking. More plucking. Panama Red. This deal, you woman, and I rob your head. Panama Red, Panama Red. On his white horse, Mescalito, he comes freezing through town. I bet your woman's up in bed with old Panama Red. Judge don't know when Red's in town. He keeps well hidden underground. Everybody's acting lazy, falling out, hanging around.

3:45:01SpeakerMy woman said, hey Pedro, you're acting crazy like a clown. Nobody feels like working. Panama Red is back in town. Panama Red. Panama Red. Panama Red. Panama Red. Panama Red. Panama Red.

3:45:23SpeakerOn his white horse, West Toledo, he comes breezing through town. I bet you he's up in bed with the old Panama Reds. Everybody's looking out for him cause they know red satisfies. Little girls like to listen to him sing and tell sweet lies. But when things get too confusing, honey, we're better off in bed. I'll be searching all the joints in town for old Panama Red. Panama Red.

3:45:52SpeakerPanama Red. It's still you, woman, and arrive your head. Panama Red. Panama Red. Panama Red. White Homers, White Homers, Celeste Alito, he comes freezing through town. I bet you he's up in bed with old Panama Reds, Panama Reds. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.