Regulatory Challenges and Cultural Reflections

0:00BubblemanOh, there we are. We did it. We're live. Welcome, everybody, to Hash Church episode, what is it, 19? 19, I think. Hash Church 3.0. Got Etienne Fontaine and Mr. Skunk Man Sam in the room.

0:17Etienne FontanAll right, all right, all right.

0:19BubblemanGood morning, everybody. Well, good morning. Oh, I know what I need to do. I need to create the link, copy the link for the new chat, And then I got to post it into the old chat. And then you know what else you have to do, actually? If I don't post something in the chat, it actually just sits there with nobody able to type. I did that for about 20 minutes last week.

0:46SpeakerEd Chen, I have a question for you.

0:49Etienne FontanYes, sir.

0:52SpeakerHave you ever seen a variety that was extremely high in CBD, like 20, 25%, which had less than 0.3% THC?

1:07Etienne FontanNot that I'm aware of, unless there was a hemp varietal I was working with back in the day, no.

1:15Etienne FontanWhat was that question coming from, Sam? Yeah, what genetic is this?

1:18SpeakerWell, it's just that there are people who claim they have varieties which are 20, 25% or even higher of CBD, and they say it has zero. Thank you. Thank you.

1:52SpeakerSo it's biologically impossible. Am I still... Either I was frozen or you were frozen.

2:20Etienne FontanSo you're just saying it was biologically impossible.

2:24SpeakerAs far as I know, yes.

2:28Etienne FontanDuly noted, and I will keep an eye out for that. And people who are watching.

2:33SpeakerI'm pretty clever with this stuff, so.

2:37Etienne FontanYeah, I would say you, yes, yes. Anybody else would be a little skeptical, but you, yeah, you're the master geneticist of master geneticists. So I would say, yeah, I agree.

2:49BubblemanI'm just liking how clear his voice is today. It's all like loud and clear and it's in my ears good. The last couple of weeks, Sam's been in a tube, like at a distance from his microphone. So you sound great today, Sam. And I guess we better.

3:05SpeakerI have no idea why, because it's definitely the same old me.

3:11BubblemanAh, yes, that's true. Well, welcome to Johnny B and Colin and Wade, Skunk Man Sam and Etienne and myself, just the old schoolers in Hash Church today, doing it up on a Sunday morning. How's everybody doing?

3:27Collin PalmerI'm doing great. How are you guys?

3:30BubblemanJohnny B, I couldn't hear you.

3:33Johnny BI said I had to learn how to shave again this morning, as you can see.

3:36BubblemanOh, dude, I didn't even know.

3:38Johnny BAlways willing to share his failures.

3:42BubblemanRemember, you're supposed to wash it in hot water and it shrinks. Okay, that's how that works.

3:57Johnny BSee, you know what? I got this new really cool razor and I put it all together. I'm like, this is awesome. Like, ow! I'm like, ow!

4:03Collin PalmerJohnny, we love you, man. It's amazing. You're awesome, man.

4:08BubblemanOh, Jesus. Oh, I'm going to hit some of my hank. I'm going to hank it up with you guys.

4:14Collin PalmerDude, yeah, it's been seeing you post, Marcus. Man, I'm so proud of you, man. It's like, I just want to... Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

4:38BubblemanFor me, mid-grade is almost 70% THC in this particular hash. What makes it mid-grade to me is the terpene content is not high enough. I would love a 10 to 12%. This is like around four. So it's, you know, at room temperature, it's also been kept cold, but I left it overnight. So now it's got that nice Afghan flavor to it. When it comes out of the fridge, Thank you so much for watching.

5:24BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today.

5:39BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

6:06BubblemanI'm going to hit some in my banger right now.

6:08Johnny BI got three coming. And I went away on Friday at 1 o'clock and came back at 2. And when I got back, there was a card in the mail. I was fucking mad. So I went to the shoppers yesterday to try and pick it up. They're like, yeah, no, you got to come back Monday. So Monday morning at 11 a.m., I'm going to go and pick up your hash.

6:26Johnny BI got one gram to squish, one gram to smoke, and one gram to put away because that's just me.

6:32BubblemanNice. Well, I bought one from cannabis, BC cannabis stores because I wanted one right away. Of course, that's not getting here until the 9th or the 10th of March. So then I went to Up and Smoke, which is owned by Dom and Max. They used to own Sunrise Wellness Foundation. They changed their name to Up and Smoke. And if you check them out on Instagram, upandsmoke604.com. They got their Instagram account busted so many times.

6:56BubblemanNow they're just meme dealers. They just have funny memes up on that page. And it's a lot of it's just busting LPs balls, yet they're totally in support. You know, it's funny to meet people in the industry who are You know, come from this super high level and they want to get this thing to a certain level, but you are forced to retake all the steps to get to that level.

7:19BubblemanYou don't just get to jump into the legal realm and then hope that everyone's growing cannabis that's good enough and all this sort of thing. So We're pretty excited to be in the game. We're pretty stoked to have, you know, Hank in the marketplace, a high THC and a mid THC. What I really did was I just broke up the microns. You know, I put like, I put my 73, my 90, my 120 and my 45 into this, which is called a high THC.

7:48BubblemanAnd I put the 190, the 160 and the 25 into the mid grade, all of them being golden hash, none of them being full of contaminant. They all came out pretty decent. But that's why there's a massive sort of price difference in between the two grades, whereas the THC difference doesn't seem as massive. You know, these are more things I was forced into. Would I have loved to have released a 90 micron?

8:10BubblemanAbsolutely. Would this have gone from a four star to maybe a five star had I isolated the microns and sold them separately? Quite possibly. I think the 90 probably would have been there. But then I have to pay a $1,500 COA for every single micron that I see. Yeah, $1,500 COA with full, you know, microbials, with terpenes, with cannabinoids, with fungicides and pesticides. Very expensive. So there's minor things where we're forced and then there's, you know, as best that we can do, we kind of try to figure it out.

8:43BubblemanSo, uh,

8:55BubblemanAll in all, pretty stoked to have a little Hank bubble rip with the hash churchers here in the morning. So I'm going to mute my mic and torch my bowl.

9:05SpeakerMarcus, the amount you have to send off, you said 10 grams. Is that whether it's weed or hash or whatever? Because with weed, you know, that's only, you know, a little bit of THC actually. Whereas with hash, that's a whole lot of THC.

9:26BubblemanYes, agreed. We're trying our best to kind of get, you know, the regulatory framework lined up with the QA people so they realize, look, like 10 grams of hash is a lot more than 10 grams of flour. And we need to identify those differences big time. Yeah, there's also, there's also something we keep, we have to retain samples as well. And that's like 20 to 30 grams that go in the vault and sit there basically forever.

9:54BubblemanSo it's, you know, they take your margin and they just do this to it slowly, slowly, slowly.

10:02SpeakerThe 20 grams that you put in the vault, is that frozen or refrigerated or otherwise it's going to change a lot.

10:13BubblemanExactly. Yeah. Well, we keep it as cold as we possibly can. But these are things that we've been noticing as well that the regulatory framework doesn't have a deep understanding of. And it's not like we're going to be testing it all the time. But yeah, they keep it for retention in case anything ever goes wrong, in case they ever find something that's wrong with that lot. We need to be able to go into the vault and pull that out and go through it.

10:36SpeakerIf you remove the oxygen and freeze it at like minus 30 centigrade, then it does not change really hardly at all in 10 years.

10:48BubblemanI agree. I've seen the exact same thing from my own freezer. And then Jeremy spoke about that last week as well in regards to using potential noble gases to, well, removing the oxygen and then replacing with oxygen.

11:02Etienne FontanArgon, nitrogen. Yeah, there's a variety of noble gases that you can use. But what you speak toward, Marcus, is a reality I think a lot of us are facing is we're finding these regulatory loopholes that we're forced to deal with because we're in the over-regulated commodities of the reality. And I mean, $1,500 per COA? I mean, Jesus, that is just... Yeah, I mean...

11:29BubblemanPer micron. Per micron.

11:31Etienne FontanThat's just absolutely ludicrous.

11:33BubblemanWell, that's why I'm forced. Do you know how hard it was for me to put the microns together? They're like, we need only two grades. And I was like, whoa, what? They're like, we need two grades. I'm like, listen, I can't do two grades. It has to be three. I have to take the 220 out and keep that as like, you know, and then of course they wanted me to just destroy the 220, which came out at 48% THC.

11:58BubblemanI was like, no, I'm not destroying the 220. What we need to do is create some SOPs and some PCPs that allow us to take the material once it's been worked, Put it back into the vault so I can send it over to Mike West on the other side and have him do, you know, CO2 or hydrocarbon or one of the solvent extractions on that because, holy smokes, can you imagine like 49% yields when you run your material versus like 10 to 15 or 3 to 5 like some of these hemp guys?

12:30BubblemanSo, you know, we're...

12:32SpeakerThe other thing that extractors are doing is when they don't have enough of any given product, whether it's flowers or water sift or whatever, they mix it, then squash it, and it's all just one homogenous mix. So they can get one single COA pour.

12:53Etienne FontanBubbleman, is there an appeal process or a process of education? You can make them aware that they will actually take hold or they're just, the system is what it is, you deal with it?

13:05BubblemanNo, the system is like all systems. We've always had to educate the system. Like this is what all of us have been doing for 25 to 30 years, some of us longer. This is the system. This is the system requires self-education. And so we will do this, but... So, when you've climbed up to the almost peak of the mountain, and then you kind of fall off the end and realize, oh, like, okay, we're in this regulatory framework now, but I'm not where I wanted to be.

13:34BubblemanI'm down here now. So, there's a massive appeal that needs to be made. And not just in education, it's like the knowledge needs to go not just from the government folks, but into the people who own the companies. Thank you for joining us today.

14:06BubblemanTo be able to allow people and not handcuff them into being able to succeed in this industry rather than fail. And right now, people are up against a lot. The regulatory framework is absolutely incredible. And I'm not complaining about the framework. I'm just mildly bummed out that for the last 25 to 30 years, we spent all this time sort of Thank you so much for joining us.

14:59BubblemanVery patiently, you know, be like, okay, well, look, this can't be like this because this is hindering the ability to grow living soils. And this can't be like this because the excess of packaging and testing is keeping certain products from the market. And this can't be like this. And so, you know, they're not evil. They're not like out to get us. I really don't believe that. I've spoken with quite a few of these people.

15:21BubblemanThey're just people. That literally were in the wine industry two and a half years ago. And now they're in the cannabis industry, you know, feeling like they want to do the same thing. You know what it is, Marcus?

15:34SpeakerThat they want to err on the side of safety. So it's going to take a long while to drag them to see what makes sense. Like 20 grams of 80% THC hash is not the same as 20 grams of... 20% weed. I mean, that's just reality. We know it.

15:55BubblemanYeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. And someone said, you are complaining about the framework. Well, certainly some of the framework I'm complaining about. We need to fix that, as we always have. We fought and practiced civil disobedience to levels of such excessiveness to get the framework that we have now. Well, we're certainly not going to just stop and stick with what we have now. It needs to be bettered.

16:19BubblemanBut within the framework itself, you also have people who think they're going to grow amazing cannabis with shitty techniques and without the awareness and the compassion and the love that really is required. So there's education that needs to go there that has nothing to do with framework, you know, just all sorts of Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler,

17:01BubblemanYou know, super proud of my team, you know, shout out to Prashan and to Abby and to Randy and to jazz, you know, the front liners that, that made this hash that, you know, like they made this hash more than I made this hash. I was in the, in the lab and I was training them and overwatching them, but you know, I'm really, really proud of those guys and proud of our whole QA team and proud of our finance team.

17:25BubblemanSo. I'll shut up, but I needed to give them all like props to the whole team at Embark for, you know, this was not easy. I cannot express how difficult this was to do and how many amazing people had to work like 24-7 in congruence, in synergy. So shout out to my team and go celebrate with them.

17:51Etienne FontanCelebrate them. I mean, you know, it takes many hands to do the lifting, but, you know, things like this, you have to celebrate because these are game changing events in lives. And that's a Herculean lift you've actually hoisted over your heads. I mean, celebrate, celebrate, celebrate.

18:09SpeakerAnd it's only going to get better every time you go up a notch and till finally you're able to produce the absolute finest in large quantities.

18:20BubblemanWell, thanks to you, Skunk Man, Sam. I know what that is. Had I not met you, had you not allowed me into your life and trusted me? Dude, thank you so much for trusting me because your trust that you put in me is one of the huge reasons why I am here where I am today. And I never have a problem giving you the props for that because holy shit.

18:45SpeakerI cannot be happier. To say that what I want to see is everybody able to smoke the equivalent of 99.9% dry sift, whether it's water hash, whether it's rosin, how it's made is not as important as that it's clean, safe, and suitable for consumers.

19:08Etienne FontanSam, did you ever think you would see this in your lifetime?

19:12SpeakerI'm surprised it took so long. Under Carter, we thought we were going to get this. You know, move towards it. He promised decriminalization and then the whole Bourne set up where... The drug czar, well, he wasn't a drug czar. He was a drug advisor or whatever it was. You know, he got popped and everything went skewy. And we honestly expected in 76, we would have full federal decriminalization or even better.

19:47Etienne FontanAnd if it hadn't been for Keith's drop, it probably could have happened. But, you know.

19:52SpeakerUnfortunately, he thought he was doing the right thing, but it was not the right thing. And it set us back a couple of decades.

20:01Etienne FontanFor those of you guys. Yeah, please, ATN. For those who don't know, Keith's drop was the head of Normal. Normal was actually started with a $200,000 donation from Hugh Hefner. And so needless to say, he was a huge supporter. But at an event, apparently, Keystropp did lines of coke with the actual drug advisor for the president and basically came out and went straight to the media and said, hey, it's time to legalize it.

20:32Etienne FontanI just did lines of coke with the, you know, the drug advisor here.

20:36SpeakerHe was really annoyed because of the whole Paraquat thing. And That was the tipping point in his mind. If they could spray poison on our cannabis, then why the fuck are we protecting them if they're going to be taking drugs, you know? But yeah, snitching just ain't a good thing.

20:58Etienne FontanWell, they were killing people and that's why they were upset. Paraquat was killing and harming people because of the government's zealousy to, you know, continue its prohibition policies. And they started spraying poison on cannabis and it started affecting people's lives. So I understand the anger, however, as well as the wanting to change it and the vitriol going along with it. But You know, Keith's decision ended up, you know, costing us decades.

21:29SpeakerKeith's feelings were correct. His actions were not.

21:36BubblemanDude, I had no idea. I honestly am not going to lie. When you opened up your mouth, Etienne, those are not the words I thought you were going to say about Keith's trouble.

21:46SpeakerHoly shit.

21:49Etienne FontanHey, I got no problem being not nice to people who weren't kind. I mean, I know he worked hard and he has tried to right the wrong that he did.

21:57SpeakerHe's done a lot for cannabis, but he also put one of the biggest foot in the mouth of the... I don't even know what to say. I mean, Carter had all but promised, and then it just completely fell to dust.

22:14Etienne FontanYeah, I mean, look, Willie smoked on top of the roof of the White House, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, this is why we've had to continue to fight is because of the fear and the ignorance and the perpetuation of this drug war. And, you know, drug warriors meant their best, but, you know, we screwed up and we fucked up along the way to the point where we've had to continue to fix things and we're still dealing with the fallout and the picking up and we're still not there yet.

22:39Etienne FontanI mean, we've done it in the 10th Amendment, You know, states, but nationally, you know, we're working on things.

22:46SpeakerI myself, Etchan, I look forward to federal, beyond decriminalization, to legalization where interstate commerce is allowed to happen. International commerce. International. I want Lebanese hash. I want. Okay, but let's start with interstate and then move on to, I mean, Canada's right there. And I'm sure Canada would, Love for us to grow all the weed for Canada.

23:18Etienne FontanSaid no, no Canadian ever.

23:20BubblemanWell, we used to grow quite a bit for you guys. So, I mean, we don't mind it going back and forth.

23:24SpeakerLet's keep it synergistic. I would be in Hawaii and people would bring me BC Bud and say, yeah, mom, this is the Maui Waui.

23:36BubblemanI want to know why they had a Jamaican accent in Hawaii.

23:39SpeakerAnd they had the Jamaicans say everywhere the herb is fine.

23:44BubblemanAll right. This is a perfect segue into rest in peace. Mr. Livingston, the final, the last story, Mr. Bunny, Mr. Bunny. And my goodness, I don't know of you, any of you that actually know the whole story, but his wife went missing a while ago. She just wandered off and nobody has been able to find her for a very long time. And then Bunny just recently passed.

24:08BubblemanI was lucky enough to see Bunny many, many times in concert, was lucky enough to puff with him and meet him and be at his house. And he was a super tripper and yeah, the last of the living whalers. So I suspect that Pita and Bob and Bunny are, you know, in Zion right now, just enjoying the good herbs, enjoying the good music. I can only imagine the music.

24:36BubblemanThat is being produced in the afterlife. There's some pretty...

24:40SpeakerThe week before that, it was you, Roy.

24:44BubblemanIt was you, Roy. Rest in peace to you, Roy, as well.

24:47SpeakerYou used to come to Amsterdam and we would get together at this hotel and smoke skunk. And I mean, he was a really down to earth nice guy. I mean, isn't it you, Roy, that hooked you up with like culture and all those guys? Well, I connected with a bunch of them here in Amsterdam because, yeah, I was very free with my herb. Yeah, you were.

25:13BubblemanAnd you love reggae music. That was another thing that I always knew. When you showed me your reggae collection, I was like, this is all okay. If he wasn't a brother from another mother before this, He just opens up these two drawers under his television and they're just like full of CDs. And then he's like, oh, and I've got these recordings from the last 25 years at the Milky Way, like every reggae show that was like at the Paradiso or the Milk Vague.

25:41BubblemanI can't remember which one it was.

25:42SpeakerI recorded them on Dapp Digital, so they're really good.

25:47BubblemanYou gave them to me. I've been listening to them for literally 15 plus years.

25:54SpeakerOne of my favorite one was Ija Man. You turned me on to Ija Man. Everybody was singing his songs with him. And it just like took his breath away and he quit singing and would just hold the microphone up to the audience because they were doing such a great job.

26:13BubblemanDude, Bubble On. You turned me on to that song so long ago. You were like, this should be your theme song. And it was Ija Man, Bubble On. And for those of you that haven't heard that song.

26:24SpeakerI remember doing that. Absolutely. And I really love Ajaman's music. And his backup band were really nice guys too.

26:35BubblemanTotally. Yesterday, Clinton Fearon, who's, I guess, living in Seattle, did a little sort of, I guess it was, you know, in honor of Bunny. And he just had his acoustic guitar. And that's another incredible reggae artist that, you know, The guy by himself in his living room sounds so full. His voice is so perfect. His tone is just perfection. And then he's just playing beautiful acoustic guitar.

27:02BubblemanHe did like three or four songs. But for those of you that don't know Clinton Fearon, he had his own band, the Boogie Brown Band, a couple of great albums that you can download. I can't remember. It was something about the devil. Don't Disturb the Devil is a really good album with Clinton.

27:19SpeakerMe and the wife were in Negril either the last time or the time before. I don't remember because they all get kind of blurred. But we were there at, I forget the name of the place. It's the really big venue there on the beach when you go south of town. Alfred's maybe or? It doesn't really matter. But the end effect was, Buddy was performing. He jumped off the stage.

27:51SpeakerAnd then, you know, shook hands with a few other people and stuff like that, and then jumped back up there. But it really made my wife's night.

28:04BubblemanOh, yeah, I could imagine she would be stoked on that. I could imagine why he would do that, too, because no one is beaming more love than your wife while dancing to reggae music. Like, truly, I've been at reggae shows with your wife and she Really is in heaven when she's at a great reggae show, particularly from one of the reggae elders. Cause we went to quite a few reggae shows together and she was always like, there's no way the person, the artist on stage didn't see her beaming.

28:40SpeakerLike you said, we've seen more than 100 or 200, I don't even know how many reggae shows, even some of the early Bob Whaler ones. We saw him perform twice in Santa Cruz at Pacific there, and it was amazing, amazing shows. And you could easily see the difference between The show that was about three or four years before his death and the one that was a year or two before his death.

29:09SpeakerHe just did not have the energy or the pizzazz that he had from his previous shows. You could tell he was running out of steam.

29:19BubblemanYeah, it's amazing that you got to see him pre-Running Out of Steam and a little bit Running Out of Steam. That's, that's, I just can't even imagine. Someone said, Steel Pulse guys are super chill. Yes, I'm, I'm Lack to Far Eye. I got to meet those guys backstage at the, I can't even remember. It was in Amsterdam with Rob and I had my two foot rure in the crowd.

29:41BubblemanAnd so Rob kind of found me and we just took bong rips through the whole show while Rob told me, Thank you for joining us.

30:10BubblemanYeah, yeah, exactly. So it was that was also a cool experience to just be like, I like meeting kind of bands that I adore and love in that situation. I never want to go backstage as the rando like meet and greet guy and just be like, I don't know, those guys weren't as nice as I thought. It's like, well, no shit, dude. You like interrupted them while they were working.

30:33Collin PalmerThat's the truth, Marcus. And a lot of people don't understand that. That's that's the they're showing up to work tonight.

30:41BubblemanYeah, it's not the same. It's not the same. But when you meet them with a friend, you know, like that, that becomes quite different. And that's, you know, of course, we all want to meet these amazing musicians that have inspired our lives and like, you know, created the backdrop for the soundtrack of our lives. Of course, you want to meet those guys and give them high fives and respect and be like, man, I love what you're doing and I just want to be supportive of you.

31:05BubblemanBut there's definitely a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. And I learned that many years ago.

31:12SpeakerWhen he would fly into Amsterdam, when he checked into his hotel, he'd give me a call and tell me his hotel room number so that I could bip over there and help him get herbalated.

31:28BubblemanGet herbalated. I bet you those guys weren't smoking the hash though, were they?

31:33SpeakerNo, some of them did. You already smoked a little bit of hash. Mainly they smoked herb, but they would also put a little bit of hash in their joints or even puff on the hash. I mean, when we were in Jamaica, huge amounts of the really hardcore guys, they all smoked abs.

31:53BubblemanMark's kind of got this like Jerry look from 87. You remember that one where he's like looking down above his glasses? What, what, what?

32:03BubblemanYou doing a little Jerry look?

32:05Collin PalmerIt's true. He does have the Jerry look right now.

32:08BubblemanDude, go look at Mark's old pictures. He has been Jerry for a long time. Like I went through his 90s photos and I'm like, damn, this motherfucker was Jerry Garcia.

32:20Etienne FontanShow us both your hands. Let's see your hands, Mark.

32:23SpeakerYeah, got to see. Got all your fingers?

32:26BubblemanThat would be commitment if he was just like, oh yeah, I had that removed, you know, when I was 12, when I realized I was Jerry Garcia.

32:33Etienne FontanIs that the Grateful Dead Yakuza does that or something like that? That's the Grateful Yakuza.

32:39Dr Mark ScialdoneI got a Grateful Dead shirt on, I think. This is like a Radio City... 1980 shirt. Oh my God, 1980.

32:46BubblemanHow long ago was that? That is a nice shirt too, Josh.

32:52Dr Mark Scialdone41 years, Mark. Yeah, 41 years. Geez.

32:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI got my 1990s one. Remember this one? His Master's Choice?

33:01Dr Mark ScialdoneOh yeah.

33:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFrom the MCA kind of thing where the dude's sitting and the lazy boy getting blasted by the speakers, but it's the Grateful Dead dog.

33:12Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, that's also reminiscent of the RCA Victor thing with the dog kind of making the dog face into the old phonograph, right?

33:24SpeakerThat's Nipper's voice.

33:27Etienne FontanThe dog's name was Nipper because my dad had a stuffed recreation of the RCA dog. That's how I know because it has the thing on his name that says Nipper. I'm impressed that you knew that, actually.

33:39BubblemanWhen you said that, I was just like, what is this, Trivial Pursuit? This guy just happens to know the dogs.

33:45Etienne FontanOh, I know some useless random shit, man. But, you know, to the deads, you know, what a long, strange something, something.

33:51Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat a long, strange trip, yeah. Well, today is a great day in Grateful Dead history because there's an incredible bird song from 3781 that everyone should go listen to up on YouTube. It's like a 17-minute bird song, and Jerry's just off the hook. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

34:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou wouldn't be a true deadhead if you actually remembered everything. That's the big joke, you know. But my parents were lucky enough to come back in the early 70s in San Francisco and all that. That's where they met. But they weren't huge deadheads, but they did get lucky to see like the closing of Winterland in San Francisco and all that. And that's really special. I've been really enjoying watching the old Grateful Dead parking lot videos.

35:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd does anyone like go back and say, Grateful Dead parking lot, 1980s, Grateful Dead parking lot, 90s. I mean, there's so much good feelings in the lot. There's so much, we're part of something bigger. We're saving the earth. We're natural beings. We're listening. We're ecstatic dancing together. We're an alternative to, you know, the system of the governance. And, you know, it's really what really had us. That's why the Grateful Dead is not just music.

35:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, it was an incredible movement. It was a lifestyle. Watching some of those old parking lot videos to just really understand, wow, this is ground zero in America, North America for keeping culture alive.

35:48BubblemanAnd the cops knew it. Holy shit. Unbelievable. Sam, what was your first Grateful Dead show?

35:58SpeakerI honestly don't remember, but it was in the late 60s. So it was a while ago.

36:07BubblemanThat's the right answer for anyone that saw the Grateful Dead in the late 60s, just for your information. Did you go to a Honda?

36:15SpeakerYou know, I was never a serious, serious deadhead. I probably saw him a dozen times, but yeah, I mean, back then in the late 60s, I liked Jefferson Airplane and Country Joe and the Fish. I liked, you know, I mean, the dead is not as psychedelic as some of the other music, or at least I interpreted other music as more psychedelic.

36:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSam, I got a question. I just disagree with that.

36:49SpeakerYeah, well, I'm not saying that I'm the music god and that my choice is final, but me personally, I found Jefferson Airplane really, really, and Country Joe, and Yeah, there was, yeah, whatever. I'm not gonna, it's my personal taste.

37:16Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, the dead were the house band for the acid test for Keezy and the Pranksters when they did that. So when that first whole experimental thing mixed, I mean, the dead was in that melee, not the airplane, not Quicksilver, not anyone. The dead were the house band. No, but imagine, Sam was there.

37:36SpeakerThis is just his opinion.

37:39BubblemanHe's just telling us where he tripped the deepest, where his trip really vibed happened to be with Country Joe and the Jefferson Airplane. I'm sure there was some other people that felt that way.

37:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe are totally amazing players and to watch them solo even nowadays is truly phenomenal. So Jack Cassidy, Jorma Kalkinen, huge ups, you know, White Rabbit and Grace. I mean, Grace Slick is an amazing artist. If you've ever been to the Emerald Cup since we're weed zone, I mean, she was at the Emerald Cup a few years ago with all of her art and everything. I mean, her art's amazing.

38:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGrace Slick is an amazing, awesome artist. I'm a person who's very intellectual, very much still turned on, a total artist still. So, I mean, it's not that you're far off. It's just the Grateful Dead have millions of hours of psychedelia and stuff. But it's good to have recognition to all the psychedelic movements of that era. Hey, Sam.

38:42SpeakerI mean, the first one I remember was 13th Floor Elevator.

38:51BubblemanYou're going to get a shutdown. I don't know how people do reaction videos. I remember for the longest time, if you used half a second of someone's copyrighted music, they shut you down.

39:03Dr Mark ScialdoneThey get shut down. They do.

39:04BubblemanBut then there's people doing reaction videos where they're like, let's watch Stevie Ray Vaughan do Texas Flood. And they're just like watching the entire video on their channel without basically breaking. And I'm like, this must be a loophole of some sorts. Maybe we need to do some reaction videos on here.

39:20Collin PalmerHey, Sam, did you ever listen to what Miles Davis was doing in the late 60s and early 70s? Was that ever?

39:27SpeakerYes, but what I really, really, really liked was the psychedelic sound coming out of San Francisco. I mean, or north of San Francisco. I listened to almost everything. I listened to Ravi Shankar. I listened to all kinds of different stuff. But what really turned my crank was what I was talking about. Awesome.

39:53Collin PalmerThat's awesome, man.

39:57BubblemanMan, I miss music. I miss live music. I miss going to concerts. I miss seeing my concert friends. I miss traveling for concerts. I miss tripping out at concerts.

40:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMe too. Hey, Colin, do you remember the name of the synthesizer person? Not Moog, but the synthesizer analog from San Francisco?

40:21Collin PalmerYeah.

40:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, there was some incredible psychedelia going on there if you want to talk about crazy. I mean that.

40:29Collin PalmerYeah, the dead actually were really into butylas and the mohawk synthesizers. And they used to do their own private acid tests together as a band and just be in one room with a modular synthesizer. And from what I understand, talking to them, All right, so we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be right back.

41:03Collin PalmerYou know, different ways that they would connect with the universe and spiritually through that. And it's very new to me as a younger guy because I didn't really I always looked at that stuff as like not real music and this and that. And I just, you know, as you get more educated, you start to understand that it is and it's just sound. It's all in how you put it together.

41:20Collin PalmerAnd super interesting, fascinating how they got into that. But Butchel is amazing. And that's the, you know, is the precursor to where we're at right now with all these modules and instrumentation that's being built. It's fascinating, man. It's super cool.

41:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineCan you put that person's name in the chat? Because people can check them out and see like crazy wires and walls of analog sound and stuff. It's very interesting. I mean, San Francisco is always going to be a point of awakening, but wow, in the 60s with the MK Ultra studies, and if you watch a Ken Kesey documentary, You'll find out that not just Ken Kesey, but also Ram Dass was part of those MK Ultra Childs.

42:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it was part of what made Ram Dass become spiritual and become an enlightened, you know, whether he's enlightened or not, but a spiritual being on earth. And, you know, Ken Kesey, you know, just getting filled up from this this lore and then bringing it to the people. You know, a lot of people talk about them messing it up. But at the same time, it was just an uncontrollable thing that the human beings needed.

42:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo it's fascinating to see the psychedelic awakening that happened in the 60s. And we talk about it plenty, but it's just an amazing time.

42:35BubblemanI mentioned him last time and I'll mention him again. Sun Ra, if you want to get psychedelic and trippy, space is the place. It is.

42:45SpeakerWhen I went to high school, the first year was 1965. LSD was still legal in California. That's how different the world is today.

42:58Etienne FontanBut it was also the experimental nature that the sound due to the technology was there. So it was, you know, Colin, what you're speaking toward is, you know, you're a musician. So now that you're putting it together, it's one thing when you orally hear it when you're not a musician, but when you're actually producing it, you know, where you mic it, you know, where you do your vocals, you know, if people knew how many Thank you.

43:20Etienne FontanThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

43:47Etienne FontanJust really fascinating from just a musical standpoint of just understanding of how the musicians would just come in as studio musicians back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, bam, bam, bam, bam, go off as opposed to now having an obnoxious amount of time to sit around in a studio and just experiment I mean, really push the edges of the boundaries.

44:12Collin PalmerWell, yeah, it's like Jerry Garcia said that, you know, they always talked about how they got really their education in the studio. That's really how they learned was being in the studio.

44:23Dr Mark ScialdoneHis quote was recording in the studio is like building a ship in a bottle. Playing live music is like being like a rowboat on an ocean.

44:32Etienne FontanAnd think about, you know, think about, you know, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club plan, four tracks, four tracks. That, if you really think about that, it's mind blowing.

44:46Collin PalmerYeah, and most drum sounds from the 40s and 50s were recorded in defunct movie theaters with one singular microphone over top. It was a ribbon mic and it was just a single mono source. And we think about like all these, you think of drums, you think of all these mics and it's just the environment. It goes back to plants, right? It's your environment, right? It's your environment that you're actually in that's creating that nuance and that intricacy.

45:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHas anyone ever seen The Secret Life of Plants?

45:18SpeakerYeah.

45:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's so beautiful how Stevie Wonder does the soundtrack to it. And it's just so interesting how in the 70s they're playing with sonic sounds. And, you know, there's a new device out these days called the Healy. And it's like a frequency healing biofeedback tool and people use it for healing. And, you know, it might be a lot of reasons to believe it could be useful in the garden.

45:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, as one of those subsonic, you know, it's kind of like the Schumann's Resonance thing where it's the 7.8, but it could be any frequency. And, you know, so the sonic sound and life go together.

46:01SpeakerIf you find out it's beneficial and you want to grow cannabis by the acre, then what do you do? Do you get loudspeakers or?

46:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think you're right. I think that once you get into the field, you just understand that you don't need a subsonic resonance because you have the Earth's resonance. These types of tools are used for fake environments like greenhouses and indoor settings, I think. But, you know.

46:30SpeakerYeah, there was some science back in the 70s about the effect of sounds and the onset of morning light opening the stomata on leaves and a whole transformation in their metabolic processes going on associated with the sounds of sunrise and the change in light. That is awesome.

46:58Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, just on the COVID. Steve Sorenson, CDP, Development. Man, there just, there continues to be a number of papers and reports showing efficacy. This one I'm looking at right here on a combination of terpenes and CBD. This was reported by a group in Israel. And there's like two other groups that are getting a lot of press now. One in the University Richard Reinis, Jr.: of South Carolina and the other one up there in in Canada University of Lethbridge that should CBDs impact on taming the so called.

47:35Dr Mark ScialdoneRichard Reinis, Jr.: cytokine storm, which is one of the things that leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome, which is what shuts people's breathing down and coven so there really is some you know biochemical. Richard Reinis, Jr.: rationale and basis for. Not only preventative measures against COVID, but also this paper right here is actually pointing out specifically the antiviral potential of just terpenes and CBD. So that's pretty exciting stuff.

48:07SpeakerIt's been my experience. Yes, it makes perfect sense. CBD works with the immune system. It just, it seems like a no-brainer, Mark. I mean, it just... And I can't wait for the science world, the medical world to catch up with this idea.

48:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I think they're beginning to figure it out. And there's a real biochemical mechanism because again, the way that CBD impacts homeostasis and cannabinoids and full spectrum cannabinoids sort of impacts homeostasis. And they're not saying that these compounds are antiviral, but they're showing that, I guess, both preventatively and that they can treat The real killing part of the coronavirus, which is the acute respiratory distress syndrome, and it's an overstimulation of your own immunological response that, again, I think the cannabinoids, depending on your endocannabinoid tone, if you will, can have a real impact on changing how your endocannabinoid system Dr. Mark Ghaly, MD, The endocannabinoid system is dealing with fending itself off from the virus.

49:19Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it also leads to believe that there is a genetic basis for fighting viruses like the coronavirus that the endocannabinoid system can help understand the mechanism on how that works.

49:33Etienne FontanCan you drop that link, Dr. Mark? Because I've been reading various preliminary studies, but they haven't actually gone through or I haven't seen any actual study that's gone through the process. But, you know, I've been reading numerous articles that have said that they're working on this. So to hear that they're actually getting some actual traction would be amazing.

49:55Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, I think that there's right now the research is very preliminary and it shows that there's a whole lot more research that needs to be done. And before they really get to conclusive, here's how you keep yourself healthy or here's how you can treat your disease if you have to get it. I mean, the point is, is I guess there is a biochemical rationale for why these treatments should work.

50:23Dr Mark ScialdoneDr. Matthew Sholl, MD, And understanding that rationale is actually helping scientists figure out how they can actually deal with the virus a lot better. Dr. Matthew Sholl, MD, And the other thing is that I don't know if you saw the statistic, but because of the social isolation and people using masks and all that, Dr. Matthew Sholl, MD, all the other forms of transmittable disease, including influenza are all down.

50:46Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, so really, if we can just get Corona in check, you know, I think a lot of the new practices Steve Sorenson, MD, You know, not saying that social isolation will remain. But, you know, just our, our overall, you know, education on how to not spread virus and how to not live on top of each other and breathe all over each other. Steve Sorenson, MD, I guess is going to be useful.

51:09Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I'm with you, Bubble Man. I'm looking forward to live music coming back. I see festivals that are now on the calendar that are selling tickets and selling Mark Foncannon, MD, RV passes and they're talking about doing festivals in social isolation mode. So God only knows what that's going to look like. But yeah, looking forward to music coming back for sure.

51:30BubblemanYou know, my question is this. If we think of just how we were just coughing in each other's faces, never washing our hands, touching everything, people coughing into their hands and then touching things. How many people on a cake, right? How many people were, did we, did, did humanity, like, you got to think all the influenza cases, like 40,000 a year deaths was the same thing as COVID like that.

51:55BubblemanYou got that from your family members and from friends and from loved ones. Like that's how you got it. I that's never been a part of the conversation. You know, 40,000 people die a year from influenza and never did we think, Hey, Like maybe we should try to clean this up a little bit. We might be killing our elderly population by coughing in their faces.

52:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, I'd like to make a special note that there has been a hundred days of protest in India. Does everyone know about this?

52:22SpeakerThe farms?

52:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIndian farmer protests. I know about it. And there's 200,000 and more people living in trucks on top of themselves with no mask on eating food together, communally fighting for food sovereignty and small farmers. I find it really interesting that there's no sickness spreading there. And I wonder what's different about that human reality than the United States human reality. Because when you talk about people living on top of each other, You would automatically think of India or Nigeria and Lagos.

53:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I just I find it really interesting that they don't have the fear and the numbers of spikes following it. And I just I find it interesting.

53:14BubblemanWell, I mean, India definitely has a ridiculous amount of cases. I work with quite a few Indian people who are in contact with people back home all the time. So they've definitely got it going on there. But if you ever go to India, what you'll notice is that like coronavirus is just like, put it on the list, bro. There's like 10,000 things that can fucking kill you there.

53:34BubblemanYou can't even wrap your head around it. It's kind of scary.

53:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd there's 10,000 coronaviruses that we deal with every year. On an every year basis, we're dealing with coronaviruses. So that's also interesting.

53:49SpeakerI'd love to jump in here about what Mark, since we're talking COVID and infection and all that, and point back to the papers that Mark was talking about. Part of the education program that I've been doing is a conversation about COVID and how cannabis might have effects with COVID.

54:10SpeakerSo the starting point there for me is the endocannabinoid system tone or health that the system has. And every person's endocannabinoid health is different based on all the factors that can affect cannabinoid health. And when you start looking at the functions of the endocannabinoid system, there are things like appetite and mood, but one of them is healing. And so when you start looking at viruses in the context of healing, what's true is we evolved being exposed to viruses of all sorts, bacteria, fungi, you know, it's all going on because we're in it.

54:48SpeakerIt's part of our gut. It's part of our skin. You know, we are creatures of many different sorts all walking around together in this body. We learned our endocannabinoid system evolved to deal with all of that. And yes, to some extent, all of those things passing through, there's a certain denning of the herd, if you will, of people whose genetics and or cannabinoid health caused them to be susceptible to an infection.

55:16SpeakerAnd I think that's true today with COVID. Yes, it's a new version of a virus, but it's The fact that I'm certain every one of us has been exposed to that virus at some point, but we, at least in my own case so far, have not contracted the virus, haven't allowed the thing to take root in my body and replicate and therefore result in me having an infection or a diagnosis, if you will.

55:44SpeakerAnd I think that's part of what endocannabinoid health is about, is our body's ability to identify a virus And prevent it from taking root in our body. And then there's the whole aspect of what if the virus does take root in your body and replicate and start reproducing madly all through your system. How your body's immune system eventually responds to that again is a function of endocannabinoid health.

56:12SpeakerAnd I think this is why cannabis chemistry, again, it's all about the dose and the type of chemistry that you're ingesting or getting into your body. However, you're getting it into your body, but it's an aid, a supplement to enhance I think it's important to recognize your endocannabinoid system's health because the plant cannabinoids very closely mimic many of the compounds that our bodies make to preserve our own homeostasis or endocannabinoid health.

56:43SpeakerAnd I think that's why science is starting to recognize Dr. John Aucott, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

57:08SpeakerAnd control its ability to replicate in your body and or limit the damage it can do. And yeah, Mark, cytokine storm, you know that term, but that's what kills most people with COVID is their body's overreaction. And again, CBD, particularly, I know that one a little bit, can tone down immune response. It's a fascinating compound to me. It can upregulate as well as downregulate. The immune system.

57:36Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that's and that's the fundamental basis of so many disorders like psoriasis and and and eczema and and other things where your immune system is just on overdrive because it knows it's being attacked, but it doesn't know by what. So it's kind of like. John Luke Picard in Star Trek said, fire all weapons. It just fires all weapons. And there's so much collateral damage that, yeah, the patient succumbs to that.

58:07Dr Mark ScialdoneBut, you know, the thing, like you say, like the endocannabinoid tone, and that's almost like something that is, is something that's nurtured, that's genetic. It's part of the diet. I mean, my wife and I were just saying that old saying, you are what you eat. I mean, it is never more true. You are what you eat. The molecules that make up you is because you ate those molecules, right?

58:37Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, I mean, it is just the, how do I say this? So when we switch over and part of getting away from the whole marijuana and cannabis stigma, Thank you so much for joining us.

59:06Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd listening to this fella who claims his health has been turned around. He was overweight. I think a diabetic. I think he had other health issues, but he has claimed that cannabis juicing has literally saved his life and that fresh cannabinoid acids, a fresh diet rich in cannabinoid acids has completely changed his health and that He needed, like he had smoked for years and sounds like he had done other drugs and kind of like, like a lot of people just kind of, you know, did it recreationally, didn't really consider the health benefits.

59:44Dr Mark ScialdoneBut now he said, this is part of his routine. Like I wake up and make a cup of coffee, he wakes up and juices cannabis and he does it every day. And he claims that again, the cannabinoids in their acidic form give the health, All of these benefits that you're not getting when you smoke cannabis and you're decarboxylating it. And part of it is that the acidic forms, those acids bind to other molecules and create different things that are happening downstream.

1:00:20Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so I was just listening in this room for like about 10 or 15 minutes, but got a whole lot just from just hanging out and listening. It was cool.

1:00:28SpeakerNo, I think that it's fascinating to me how many manufacturers insist that you have to decarboxylate your plant material or your oil while you're making your product, or it's not going to work. And what they're really talking about is they're making product for psychoactivity. If you're making product for any other reason from the therapeutic benefit that possible with cannabis, Not to leave it in its acid forms, the cannabinoids definitely have different effects in the body than they do once they're decarboxylated.

1:01:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, he claimed, so he had started with full spectrum decarboxylated oil, like you said, And he said he got sleepy and it helped him with some of his digestive issues, but it didn't really give him the full health benefits that he needs. Now he still consumes and still, I guess, vapes and still decarboxylates and gets plenty of decarboxylated cannabinoids, which help on a whole different level, maybe help him more in his brain because when you decarboxylate, you're putting things in your brain as opposed to your body.

1:01:37Dr Mark ScialdoneSteve Sorenson, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

1:01:59Dr Mark ScialdoneSpectrum in that carboxylated cannabinoids are giving him one health benefit and the decarboxylated ones are giving him another one.

1:02:09SpeakerI agree with that, Mark. Thank you. That's a great description of my experience.

1:02:17Etienne FontanWell, the thing about the coronavirus, I got my second shot the other day, and so the nurse was explaining to me how, of course, the problem is the spikes. So basically, the RNA vaccine that they give you basically protects your system against the spikes penetrating. And of course, what Marcus said earlier, which was most fascinating, is that Brandon Krenzler, You know the nurse stated me you know there's been no no flu this year and I looked at her crazy because my wife had the flu.

1:02:45Etienne FontanBrandon Krenzler, But she's like universally there's been none because we're washing our hands and wearing masks so. Brandon Krenzler, yeah I agree with you completely Wade is that you know, there is definitely. Yeah, CBD and cannabis in its way produce the protection in the body. And I have not seen the breakouts, you know, of people who have, I know people who have used cannabis and do use cannabis who have caught COVID, but a lot of people I know don't and haven't.

1:03:17Etienne FontanBut, you know, again, people are isolating. So that's a longer study, you know. Still fascinating science.

1:03:23Collin PalmerHas anyone read the BBC article about the gentleman who's got, I don't even know what they're calling it, you know, they've got a term for it, like he's super immune or he's got a certain antibody in his body that is deflecting the spikes. It acts as a defense mechanism against those spikes that you're talking about, ATN. I wasn't sure if anybody had read that same article or had any thoughts on it.

1:03:49Collin PalmerI don't really know enough other than what I read. So I just was curious if anyone had read that same article or seen that. It's fascinating. He's actually an African-American guy, which is also just opens up a whole vortex of questions.

1:04:13BubblemanA vortex of questions, you say?

1:04:16Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, you know, they were they were talking about how certain subset of communities were were really affected by by the virus itself. And to find this gentleman, they're looking for more individuals like him. They're trying to understand what's going on. But, you know, I thought that was really fascinating. You know, just just reading that on a basic, you know, very basic news Web site. So check it out.

1:04:45Collin PalmerI don't know if there's any, Mark, Dr. Mark, I don't know if you've seen that at all, but I just thought it was fascinating, to be honest. I read it just yesterday.

1:04:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so there was a woman, again, going back to this clubhouse room, a woman who was a doctor in there, and she said that she was aware of this, she was over 100 years of age, this woman, and she's, I guess, Dr. Matthew Sholl, MD, She's so old that she's actually never been vaccinated for anything in her life, but she's never gotten anything in her life, and she's 111 or something like that now, so she's not going to get vaccinated.

1:05:22Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they think that, yeah, again, I think a lot of it with viruses, Colin, has to do with how tuned your immune system is. Steve Sorenson, MD, And how well your immune system is able to respond. And I think that this is different for different people. I mean, like, like my dad, for instance, my dad was in a house and works. My stepmom got it. And I think one of my stepmom's children got it too.

1:05:54Dr Mark ScialdoneSo my dad was around it. And my dad is immune compromised. And he had something called Valley Fever, which is a Steve Sorenson, MD, A fungal infection that you get in your lungs. So he was already very prone to getting this. And we're just like, oh, it's just a matter of day. I'm going to get a phone call. My dad's got COVID. I got to go out to Arizona and do it.

1:06:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, I was just waiting for that whole thing to happen. Never happened. For some reason, again, my dad just seems to have this super strong Steve Sorenson, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

1:06:45SpeakerIf you look back to the AIDS virus and what happened with AIDS, most people who contracted AIDS, particularly early on, died pretty quickly. But it turns out that one of the earliest patients, and I wish I could remember this person's name, he's become publicly known, but He was diagnosed with it back in the early 80s, and he's still alive. He never contracted any of the conditions that typically result from AIDS.

1:07:16SpeakerAnd again, AIDS is a virus. To me, it's really about the genetics of the individual and how well their body is able to either resist infection or deal with the infection in a way that doesn't compromise your health. And so genetics plays a part in it, but the epigenetics of our life. And it's just like the cannabis plant in this way. We talk about how the cannabis plant and our cells are related in the way that we can care for our plants or care for our bodies.

1:07:47SpeakerIf a plant, if its genetics are such that it's not going to have any trouble dealing with molds, it's probably not going to have much trouble with molds. If it's genetics, you see where I'm going with that? And I think the same is true with people. And how well a plant sits. If a plant is sitting in very poor soil and is over watered, its genetics may help its ability to resist pest or disease, but You contrast that with a plant that's in full sun, in full living soil, living water.

1:08:23SpeakerEverything is as good as it could possibly be for that plant. It's likely going to fully express its genetic ability to resist pests and infection of various viruses or fungus or whatever. And I think it carries over to humans as well. And just to be really clear, I'm not saying that cannabis is the be all end all answer to it. There's so many things about life where we have choice, the quality of food, the kind of rest you get, how much stress you allow to build in your life.

1:08:54SpeakerAll of those things play a part in how well your endocannabinoid system can function in your body to allow you to enjoy good health. I really feel like there's a fundamental thing there That's going on. There's all these things we have choice about. Genetics you don't have much choice about. But cannabis can help you to find health in the midst of all this madness that is life on this planet, in this three-dimensional reality that we call the world.

1:09:27SpeakerOn that note, yes, here I am, stoned again.

1:09:32BubblemanI wish you wouldn't have muted it. I would have loved to have heard your laugh. That would have been the perfect mic drop for that.

1:09:38SpeakerWell, it'll happen again. Anyway, yeah, no, I feel really passionate about this. I really feel like a lot of the health issues that are going on in our world today are because for many of us, we've made poor choices in our life, you know, riding motorcycle in my life was resulted in some aches and pains that to this day linger. And cannabis helps me deal with those traumas that didn't heal properly.

1:10:05SpeakerAnd again, healing is a function of the ECS. It's just, All of the choices that we do have, however you make those, will be part of what your endocannabinoid health is going to be. And that is part of how we respond to viruses. So anyway, enough of that.

1:10:26Etienne FontanWell, it's just amazing how science has to appeal to politics as opposed to politics appeals to science, which is why I'm gonna kind of segue here for a second. I've been working for the last seven months with a group called the Veterans Action Council. We're basically a group of cannabis veterans who've been using medical cannabis as well as other psychedelics. And we've come together And tomorrow we're going to release our first white paper, which is actually a green paper we're calling it, which is basically it outlines significant concerns within the medical cannabis community for veterans and what we feel are potential remedies.

1:11:10Etienne FontanSo we're going to be releasing that tomorrow. It also includes Robert Randall and Alice O'Leary submittal to the federal government back in 1993 and to the Clinton administration because that's how far back we haven't done anything here in the United States at the federal level. And sandwiched also in there is Michael Crowitt's recent success. As we all know, in December 2nd of 2020, medical marijuana was actually legalized across the world because Our friends spent a decade getting it pulled off the schedule for off the 1961 convention treaty.

1:11:53Etienne FontanSo medical marijuana is legal and we want access here in the United States, especially veterans. So we're launching this green paper as an educational tool. Thank you for joining us today.

1:12:23Etienne FontanAnd when his right to receive marijuana grown by the federal government, in which it opened up to 22 other people until 1992, when the compassionate investigative new drug program was basically shut down for the addition of any new patients. We want to see that reopened in the sense that we want to be able to get veterans to be able to import cannabis since we can't have access to the night of cannabis.

1:12:53Etienne FontanBut at the same time, I think we also want to pressure old Dr. Alsoli and them into actually growing medical grade cannabis to the quality that we're actually selling on in our dispensaries today because there are only one patient now. Do you know that?

1:13:12SpeakerYes, and to be honest, Dr. Osole doesn't make these decisions. It's the NIDA that gives him a contract what to grow.

1:13:23Etienne FontanAgreed, and we're going to utilize this information to utilize to pressure them into changing and either reopening the system so that cannabis can be grown, you know, to the standards that we're seeing today, or we're going to import it from countries that are internationally doing it and that have over-the-counter products available, such as Canada, Uruguay, Israel, and the Netherlands.

1:13:51Collin PalmerThat's amazing that you're doing this work, man. You know, my dad is 101st Airborne, first of the 506. He is full blown Parkinson's, has had it for almost two decades. And, you know, he's been someone that's been struggling with access. And, you know, he's got plenty of access through me. However, the type of access, you know, There's a certain kind of ideology that I think he carries when he thinks of the VA. And he wants to keep that camaraderie there.

1:14:22Collin PalmerAnd it's really hard. I see it from a lot of different levels with certain patients coming from the VA. And veterans in general, they want to feel that camaraderie. But it's just not there from the VA at all. And it's a really touchy subject. But I really commend you, man. That's a very hard thing to be, hard path to be on. Really excellent work, man. That's awesome.

1:14:44Etienne FontanWell, that's why we're doing it. We're doing it for your dad and for others because we have access where we are. So we're trying to utilize our voice and our privilege for those who don't have and don't have access. For those who don't know, I'm a combat veteran of Operation Desert Shield, Desert Storm 30 years ago today. I was in, well, no, I was in, I was wounded in Germany.

1:15:06Etienne FontanBut You know, so I was put on going from morphine to congratulations. I want to get off morphine. But I asked the doctor, he said hashish. And I was in Germany. So that basically started me off on an exploratory journey into the underground and to try to not make criminals out of my friends and not get myself murdered or ripped off, which, you know, thousands of other veterans deal with.

1:15:35Etienne FontanOn top of that, It's expensive. I mean, there needs to be one of the things we want to see is what you have up there in Canada, Marcus, is having access of veterans are actually subsidized. So, you know, depending on your disability, you're given a certain amount of grams of access per month. So then you can go down to a dispensary and however you ingest, if it's edibles, hashish or flowers.

1:16:00Etienne FontanThe gram situation is applicable to whatever your usage is. So we want that same access that you have in Canada because we can't go get it filled at a PX. So if we have to go to a dispensary, then we want a voucher program so that it alleviates the cost. So many veterans like your father are also on 100% disability, which means you're on a very, very limited income for the cost of inflation, food, etc, etc.

1:16:27Etienne FontanAnd when you start looking at the cost of cannabis, not including the cost of your paraphernalia, which Canada actually you do if you use, you know, So a certain cannabis paraphernalia, the country will actually subsidize that and reimburse you for that, which again, we have none of this type of access. So our veterans should be able to have this type of access and access points without a doubt.

1:16:53Etienne FontanAnd here soon, yeah, we're working on some other things as well, but this is kind of our first volley. So we're gonna be putting that across the wire at 6 a.m. in the morning or so, but oh, here, I'll drop it in chat. You guys can get a preliminary. It's on our Veterans Action Council website under projects. And this is our first project that we have that we've released.

1:17:16Etienne FontanSo we're just trying to be a rally point for other veterans so that we can actually pressure the VHA into these changes that we want to see because You know, veterans are an encapsulation of society. And so we're a small piece of society. So we're trying to do our best to crack the glass ceiling so that others have access as well. So we're just trying to lead the charge by storming the beach and follow us.

1:17:47Etienne FontanI'm out.

1:17:47BubblemanCan we go back to the German doctor who told you hashish?

1:17:53Etienne FontanSure. Well, I was actually an American doctor and I was in the hospital and they put me on morphine. And of course, they give you a button, right? So you can take as much morphine as you want. And I was an artist. I was a creative person. I was a musician. So if I wanted to sit and drool all over myself, Morphine is perfect for that. However, I don't like the feeling.

1:18:24Etienne FontanI didn't like the sedation. I didn't like the coming out. There was nothing about it I liked except it stopped the pain. But I could not be in my creative mind. I'm left-handed, so I'm always in my right mind, right? So I couldn't travel there naturally or as free-flowing. So I asked the physician when he came in, I said, I want to get off this morphine. And he said, have you heard of hashish?

1:18:55Etienne FontanAnd I laughed and he laughed and I kept laughing and he stopped laughing. And I realized that he was serious. And he said, look, I've heard of people utilizing that to get off it. And I basically said, well, where the hell do I find that? And his response was, I don't know. Try a bar. And that's where it started. Yeah, I got, went to a bar in Ansbach in Germany.

1:19:28Etienne FontanAnd, you know, in my terrible German, English, was able to score a little bit of hash. And it was very, I don't think, I don't think it was a full gram. You know, it was very small. And then how do I ingest it?

1:19:46Etienne FontanGot one of them there, Bargrams. Oh, and it was, it was, you know, it was all crumbly. It didn't squish, you know, it was, you know, probably waxed, you know, Afghani.

1:20:01BubblemanThey already made rosin with it and they were just giving you what was in the bags.

1:20:06Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd you never smoked before? You never smoked before that?

1:20:09Etienne FontanI had, but you know, when we had hash, which was very rare, it was the old, you take a pen, you put it on the pen, you light it, you put it on a piece of cardboard and put the glass over it and you do the sliding sip.

1:20:26Dr Mark ScialdoneSo yeah. So you grew up in Louisiana, right? So the kind of hash that you were getting was like, Black hash or Lebanese red hash or it was never golden, right? No, no, no.

1:20:40Etienne FontanI didn't see golden hash until I was actually in Saudi Arabia and I actually bought real Lebanese. Everything that I had seen and everything from that I would, if you go along in certain areas in New Orleans, you know, they would try to sell you scrapings out of the bong. If you smell it, you could smell. You know, so you knew that was fake ass hash. But the other stuff, you know, you kind of look hopefully for a little piece of gold on the top of it from, you know, where it was chipped off.

1:21:08Etienne FontanSo I knew to kind of look for that. But no, no, no. All we had access to in Louisiana was crappy, you know, Coca-Cola Press Mexican. It wasn't until I was up in West Virginia. That I saw real hash and that I tried it. And we did the whole, you know, stick the pin through the cardboard and put the glass over it. And then my friends went to a head shop in Pittsburgh and bought one of the old, um, what was it with the glass dome, but it was a heating, uh, a soldering, a soldering plate on the top vaporizer.

1:21:40Etienne FontanYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, those though, that was, oh, we're going to get so high off of this.

1:21:45Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then you're like, oh, this shit's all burnt. Oh my God. This is horrible.

1:21:49Etienne FontanYeah, so there's just no access to quality cannabis or hash until, yeah, I was.

1:21:56BubblemanWe've come a long way. That actually makes me feel a lot better about where we are right now. Sometimes I forget where because where I am. And where I need to kind of go back, it's a very small journey compared to where I was in high school. Also buying all these different hashes, no COAs, no, you know, SOPs like this shit was like, oh yeah, it looks like they press this with their feet or something.

1:22:20BubblemanThere's like some, some weird skin in, in, in there. Like, but there it was, you know, we were just like happy to smoke it. I was lucky to have it to get you high. Yeah, of course, man. I, for me, the, my, I, I got to, you know, we got Afghani, we got a little Moroccan, we got red and blonde Lebanese, and we got Indian and Nepali charas.

1:22:44BubblemanAnd that was pretty special. At least back in the 90s. Yeah, Manali cream or Karvati, you know, just like nice, nice, nice things. And then, you know, Nepali cream, which was kind of like way above that whole region. And that was kind of always the nicest. And Jamaican, Jamaican gun.

1:23:07Etienne FontanSo the kicker is when I moved here to the Bay Area, the only place I could score weed was actually going across the Bay to in front of the Ben and Jerry's on Haight and Ashbury. And because that's where all the deadhead kids were hanging out. And you could buy the eighth quarter, three quarters, a quarter. Right off the street. So, you know, it's been a long way to think about how and where we get access to our... What year was that, ATN?

1:23:36Etienne FontanOh, that was 93. Yeah, 93, 94. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have to... I worked at... Before I got hired onto the Cannabis Action Network, I was a night manager at an ice cream parlor. And I used to get... I would close at 10. I'd shut down shop at 10.30. I would jog to the North Berkeley BART, catch the BART to the transfer point at MacArthur, make it into San Francisco, jump on the 7 or the 52 bus or 53 going up to Haight-Ashbury.

1:24:10Etienne FontanAll right, so we're gonna jump out at the corner of Haight-Nashbury, score my shit real quick on the corner, then jump on the other corner real quick to catch the bus going back to the BART and then BART all the way back to the East Bay, which is usually the last BART to the East Bay, and then walk another mile home. So that's how I used to score weed on the street.

1:24:35Etienne FontanSo to know that now I only have to go to a dispensary and actually purchase it, you have no idea how thankful I am of just that simple track because that used to be a two-hour, you know, track just on and trying not to stink up when you score that bud from those deadheads. That shit stunk. And of course, all you had was just a quick fucking, you know, All right.

1:24:58Etienne FontanThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:25:24SpeakerOne, two, and three, and four finger bags. It would stink when you walk by that corner, right? Like you would smell it.

1:25:32Etienne FontanYou knew what you were walking up to.

1:25:33Dr Mark ScialdoneThere was a certain number of, and I hate to keep being pedantic here, certain number of deadheads in a certain given environment. Steve Adubato, Steve Adubato, Steve Adubato,

1:26:00Etienne FontanYeah, and what was ironic, I ended up with when I was with Cannes, I had one of only like five street permits where I actually was given by the chief of police of San Francisco where I could set up and I could set up my booth on the corner of of Haight-Nashbury. So, I mean, it was just really weird to go. I used to score drugs right there and here I am working for legalizing it right here with an actual permit from the actual sheriff of fucking San Francisco allowing me to give out cannabis information right here.

1:26:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's the name of that on-point record store that's like just a couple blocks away from Golden Gate Park? I mean, it's just like... If you, if you're the one on the corner there. Yeah. That one record store. I mean, my God, it's like, if you, if you like records, if you like vinyl and you're in San Francisco, it's a place to go. Right. I would assume. It's just down by the park.

1:26:59Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Yeah.

1:27:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh my God.

1:27:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can score your weed and go score your wax.

1:27:06Etienne FontanJust a couple of blocks.

1:27:08Dr Mark ScialdoneWe get so baked and we'd go into the record store and you could literally, it's like a library in there. You could literally spend just like hours in there and you're not listening to anything. You're just looking at all the records. Oh my God. It was, I spent hours in there high after getting high on hate. It's a place to go. So fun. Oh, well. Gone are the days.

1:27:36Johnny BSpeaking of getting high, I haven't stopped puffing since we started.

1:27:40BubblemanWell, that's because we haven't heard from you since we started. Someone said, where was Johnny B not talking? I'm like, because he got baked. What do you think? What do you think the B stands for in Johnny B? It's Johnny Baked.

1:27:51Johnny BNo, I was sitting here popping. I know you're sitting there talking about the beginning of all the changes and I was going to, you know, make mention of the changes, but growing and, and Etchins talking about the morphine trip. And I remember that and having to get off of all of the morphine by using cannabis and amino acids and stuff. So I'm just being listening, just like listening on Clubhouse and just taking in all you guys and chatting away and, you know, Good morning.

1:28:15Johnny BAnd then my newest thing, which I really like is, I mean, actually putting dry sift directly into my smoothies. So instead of juicing the leaf and I've been just sifting those gland heads, I mean, actually putting dry sift into my smoothies and I showed it yesterday and I've been talking about them and I've really seen a difference in just my mood and everything lately, just in the last week and a half.

1:28:34Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you so much for joining us.

1:29:00Johnny BI've been hitting a lot of high THC and I see how that affects me, but I also want to see how the more of, I'm just testing my own body right now again, like always. So, you know, good morning.

1:29:14Dr Mark ScialdoneI would think that it would leave like a little grit in your mouth. Like, like even if you could really, really homogenize it in your blender and make a really fine Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

1:29:35SpeakerI occasionally do what John's doing, and I find the taste kind of pleasant. It's like finding little nuggets of flavor.

1:29:42Johnny BExactly. That's what I like about it. It's those flavors that I'm getting from those terms that I'm not getting when I was actually just putting raw leaf in my smoothies for a long time. Then I used to do the juicing and take the raw. I used to freeze it in the freezer and put those in my smoothies back in the days after my surgery and stuff like that.

1:30:00Johnny BSo I've been doing this for quite some time. I really enjoy just putting the sift in the smoothie in the in the morning because you do get those little genuine little nuggets of different flavors like oh yeah

1:30:11Etienne FontanAre you adding lecithin or anything to your smoothie? And if so, what smoothie flavor are you using with what resin?

1:30:18Johnny BI'm using good food and I just order these suckers online. I get a dozen delivered to my door every basically two weeks and I have different flavors. So some I use almond milk with, some I use grape juice with. So I have a kai. They're all natural, more raw food drinks that I've been getting into and stuff like that. So I've been paying attention to that type of healthy So I mean, this one in particular, yeah, everything's really healthy.

1:30:46Johnny BSo I mean, I got a cold brew coffee, bananas, cashew, buttery, vanilla bean, cocoa, nibs, roasted coffee beans, mocha power, and Himalayan pink salt.

1:30:57Etienne FontanWell, the reason I was asking if you added any spikes to it in a sense, why does my video keep cutting out? It's really weird.

1:31:06SpeakerI like that picture of you, John.

1:31:08Etienne FontanYeah, there you go.

1:31:13Etienne FontanOh, my head, my brain.

1:31:15Johnny BThe transport for better absorption is what you're talking, thinking about?

1:31:18Etienne FontanWell, it breaks down. If you use something like soy lecithin, it actually breaks down the acid. So it's more uptakeable for your body, whereas it sounds like you're going for the THCA experience, for the acid experience, for the feeling as opposed to the body high, et cetera, because that would actually break it down. Thought.

1:31:41Johnny BHey, I'm just, you know, I like the sauce. I think I might have done that in the past.

1:31:45Collin PalmerSunflower seed version of it too, ATN. I don't know if you've used that before. That's also a nice, a nice one.

1:31:53Etienne FontanSunflower seeds or oil? Just the oil, the sunflower lecithin.

1:31:57Dr Mark ScialdoneLecithin. Okay. Yeah. Let's say this, lecithin.

1:32:02Collin PalmerMark, I wanted to make sure we were saying.

1:32:10Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, the sunflower lecithin actually comes in sunflower oil that is a great vehicle for cannabinoids. So it's a good way to emulsify them. Absolutely. I agree with that. And sunflower doesn't have as it's a taste is pretty neutral. I mean, there's definitely a flavor to it. But it's pretty neutral in flavor as far as oils go.

1:32:39Johnny BYeah, so my daily has been a smoothie with sift, as you can see. I'm just getting healthy.

1:32:46BubblemanI'm thinking you might need some stitches on that shave job on your chin there, Johnny B. I'm working on that. Come on. Then I wiped it off and I'll do it again.

1:32:55Johnny BI just haven't shaved in a while. I thought that was a tattoo. Don't say it for a while.

1:33:02BubblemanI thought that was a tattoo. Just a teardrop on his chin. It means something totally different.

1:33:08Dr Mark ScialdoneI thought it was. That's what I thought it was.

1:33:12BubblemanOh, Johnny B's not going to get a tattoo on his chin. No. He's got some tattoos, though.

1:33:17Johnny BI do. That's an ink? The dragon that I chased and the phoenix that rised above my...

1:33:23BubblemanHe's cracked, but he's not broken. Not broken. Absolutely. I feel like we're all a little cracked, but not broken.

1:33:30Johnny BYou know, one thing I wanted to discuss here, and when you were talking about the new changes in the system and how you got into this, how everything's changed quite a bit with the IPOs and being able to get hash on the legal market. I find that over the last 30 years growing has changed quite dramatically in the last like few years with LEDs and VPD and looking at the soils and the microbes and and the root temp and like there's so much different from when I was talking with my old friends been growing for 30 years and like now they're like it's a whole new game they have to learn how to grow again with the years of experience they've had so um Yeah, I'm just touching bases on that and how there's been so much change in the growing community in the last few years.

1:34:12Johnny BIt's been quite actually a new learning curve, totally.

1:34:16Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, Marcus, when you were gushing before about your guys' tremendous achievement at Embark, and it sounded like something I said on Hash Church a couple of weeks ago, I was really complimenting you guys. And Steve Sorenson, MD, Part of it is that anybody who's has to undertake getting the mass production, not at an artisan level, but at a mass produced level, a product out under GMP manufacturing knows the tremendous challenge that exists and what Andrew Bermudez, Underpins that is is quality it's all about quality and it's all about quality at a reproduce at a higher level at a higher at a higher volume of production.

1:35:05Dr Mark ScialdoneAndrew Bermudez, Which is not a trivial thing to do with anything that's plant based, let alone cannabis and so that that's a tremendous challenge, and the last thing i'll just mention is, as you know, I mean any company. Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

1:35:37Dr Mark ScialdoneJohn MacDonald, Their talent, because if they treat people in this quote unquote industry is just throw away, you know, 15, $20 an hour. And if these employer, employers don't realize that their employees have to see a future in that company for them, or else they're going to split, they're going to go elsewhere. And they can't just be viewed as some

1:36:04Dr Mark ScialdoneThey're there in your lab, Marcus, getting once in a lifetime training from a pioneer like you, who's basically taken this thing from artisan level to GMP production. I'll bet you guys that you guys get like hundreds of resumes of people chomping at the bit, wanting to just get in there and get that training. And again, like if it If it goes anywhere from here, it's going to be towards GMP level production.

1:36:34Dr Mark ScialdoneSo really, it just sets the bar so high that once you hit that, I mean, it's like everything else working up to that has been just such a huge nonlinear adventure and something done with incredible headwinds. Because if you think about it, that stuff was illegal for so long. Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

1:37:19Dr Mark ScialdoneSteve Sorenson, MD, That it's done by GMP. If it's not done by GMP, you know, then they're taking a tremendous risk at putting products out there that are going to be just, you know, falling flat on their face. So you guys have set the bar and, you know, I hope we can get there soon here in the US and I hope that someday The border won't make a difference anymore and we'll be able to get your product as you'll be able to get our product and there'll be a free flow of technology and commerce at the U.S.-Canadian border.

1:37:53Dr Mark ScialdoneThat would be something indeed, Mark. That would be something.

1:37:56BubblemanAnd I'd eventually love to see it worldwide. I'd love to see how people in different environments can use their terroir to get their plants to express to this unique method and see like, oh, well, this particular area of the world just seems to really like this cultivar seems to do the best there. And, you know, it might take 20 or 30 or 40 years, but we'll suddenly start learning the way we know that the best lavender Thank you.

1:38:21BubblemanThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:38:46BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today.

1:39:14Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:39:43BubblemanIt showed up in like a little jeweler's box. I probably lost it at this point, but it's a new material. So he sent me these really cool tweezers so I could pick up these hot little dimodium balls and get them into my banger. So yeah, I'll be doing a video on that with the 4K camera and putting that up on my channel in a bit. I always forget to shout these guys out when they give me these amazing things.

1:40:10BubblemanSo I wanted to shout out Brian from D-Nail. Another thing I wanted to shout out, and I have to remember this is one hour and 43 minutes into the show, so I want to shout out My uncle Gio, my uncle George, who we've always called Gio since I've been a little baby basically, he always was my coolest uncle. He was my one uncle that like puffed and was just cool.

1:40:35BubblemanHe drove the old 70s van with like the unicorn picture on the side or the wolves like all furry inside. He is just a cool, cool guy. I'll never forget the first time he gave me a little bit of a nugget and I was just like, Wow, like this is so cool. I'm connecting with someone in my family who puffs and he was really the only person I ever had that connection with until slowly but surely I convinced everyone in my family that they should be using cannabis, which is kind of the case now.

1:41:05BubblemanBut it wasn't really the case back then. So I want to shout out Uncle Gio. It was his birthday yesterday. I can't remember if he's like 65 or 66 or 64, 65, 66 comes to mind. So shout out to you, Uncle Gio, who's probably hanging out in the big white shell right now in his cabin, you know, taking pictures of foxes and cool wildlife and just being an all around fucking awesome guy.

1:41:30BubblemanThank you for being my friend. Mom's brother and just being one of the coolest uncles ever and happy birthday. Let's all have a birthday little toke for Uncle Gio. And if you guys want to say happy birthday to Uncle Gio, feel free to do so.

1:41:45Dr Mark ScialdoneHappy birthday, Uncle Gio. Is his real name George? Yeah. George is the name that's never done spelling itself, right?

1:41:59BubblemanYeah, and his... G-E-O-R-G-E-O-R-G-E-O-R-G-E-O-R-G-E. Well, his is the French version of it. So it's actually Georges, G-E-O-R-G-E-S. So gorgeous George, right there, Gio, in the house. Happy birthday. I'm ripping one for you. The furnace is getting turned on. That's what he calls my electric nail. He calls it the furnace. Hey, are we going to be turning on the furnace or...

1:42:28Etienne FontanShout out to Dean Ale as well. Solid information and stuff, needless to say. But yeah, hopefully what you're talking about there, Bubble Man, hopefully my veterans will be some of the first ones to import your bubble hash into the United States, you know? Because, yeah, we all got together, started checking each other on wellness checks. You know, it's been this whole COVID reality where we're all been kind of worried about each other.

1:42:55Etienne FontanAnd as you know, our veterans suffer from, you know, 22 suicides a day. On average, we've lost more to suicide, unfortunately, than we have to war. And by checking in with each other, we realized, you know, we could probably do some work together. And then... Seven months later, here's our first green paper.

1:43:16Dr Mark ScialdoneATN, what's the latest on Sue Sisley's work? Is that continuing, do you know?

1:43:24Etienne FontanStand by. She is at, yeah, I'm not sure exactly where she is. Part of one of our guys, Rico Pereira, was part of her studies and worked with her at the University of Arizona and is very much in contact with her. But right now, I'm not sure what necessarily is happening. As we know, one of our other brothers, Brian Buckley at the Helmand Valley Growers Company. They just got an IRB to do human studies on their vape cartridges in San Diego.

1:44:02Etienne FontanSo they're going to be recruiting, I think, around 60 or so veterans for a control study of where they'll be using real-world cannabis cartridges that you can buy currently. And they'll go to dispensaries, pick which ones they want. They have a selection of four to five or something like that to choose from. And then they'll do the study. It is basically on the effects of PTSD because to do the IRB, they couldn't do post-traumatic stress altogether.

1:44:34Etienne FontanSo they're going after the individual symptoms to show that in the end, have the scientists go, oh, wow, those are all the different symptoms of PTSD.

1:44:43BubblemanUh-oh.

1:44:45Etienne FontanSo yeah, there's science that's going on.

1:44:47Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's an observational study, right?

1:44:50Etienne FontanRico's making me know that Dr. Sisley will be publishing soon. So we'll let you know. And as soon as I get that across my desk, I'll send that to you.

1:45:00Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, ATN, the study you were talking about there, the PTSD study with cartridges, that's just an observational study that they're doing, right?

1:45:10Etienne FontanHe's working with, yes, Niomedic out of Israel. So they're actually doing a full study and replications. I think they're also when his company expands into Michigan, they want to replicate the same study with the veterans in Michigan. So Let's see, he is also stating that the study is complete. The results of the doc study will be released soon. So that's where we stand. He's watching Hash Church.

1:45:40Etienne FontanHi, Rico.

1:45:42Dr Mark ScialdoneHi, Dr. Sue, also, if you're watching. Yeah, we should have Dr. Sue on.

1:45:47Etienne FontanOh, yeah, we could totally have her on and we have access to her.

1:45:51Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, she's a very engaging speaker. And, you know, I mean, again, I think we need 10 Dr. Seuss or 20 Dr. Seuss or 30 Dr. Seuss.

1:46:01BubblemanDr. Addie Ray is also very well spoken. And I like what I've heard from her and had a few conversations with her on Clubhouse. She's another one we could be inviting on.

1:46:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, we just had her on our clubhouse the other day, Dr. Aidy Ray. And also Dr. Sue Sisley works with the DEM Collective as well. And I bet we could even potentially get Ethan Russo to join us one day if we, you know, if we had a plan for that and, you know, we could get some good Kevin McKernan has put out a lot of information, you know, about the current pandemic and then just different scientific things.

1:46:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we really love and appreciate the work he's doing out there as well. I invited him today.

1:46:51Etienne FontanDr. Mark also, just to clarify, of course, Dr. Sisley was stuck with, and for the audience, she was stuck with the actual NIDA cannabis, which is the stuff that's grown at the University of Mississippi, held in crates, fails, microbials, all that other stuff. While Brian Buckley and the AHVGC, they're using, you know, real world cannabis that you can get at dispensaries. So Doc Sisley's was a blinded placebo controlled with that ditchweed.

1:47:20Etienne FontanSo

1:47:22Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, I mean, even that ditch weed we know will work better than nothing at all. But I mean, how ridiculous that they still, you know, have researchers, especially people who want to do observational clinical research, their hands held to, well, you need to put a proposal through NIDA to get, you know, University of Mississippi, you know, weed. That monopoly has just got to end.

1:47:50Etienne FontanAnd hopefully we're going to be pressuring that with our green paper as well because we're presenting it and it's to be utilized. You can take it and go educate your educators as well as your constituency senators and house members so that at the state level and at the federal level because we're able to do these cannabis through the VA at least recommendation discussions in these states that are legal and allow for medical cannabis.

1:48:17Etienne FontanWe're trying to kick the door open for all 50 states and territories. So the work's going to be not easy to do. But, you know, this is a tool for you to utilize to educate people so that we can change the discussion and move the line in the sand. And we can import bubble man hash into America.

1:48:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYes, that's that's our real agenda here, which is we need to get Marcus's hash down here.

1:48:48BubblemanI'm always, I'm always talking with Colin about certain things and I've got some conversations going with some groups in California. So maybe one day again, we'll we'll have the brand down there. We'll see how it goes. It's, you know, it's so much work to really just do it in one place that I didn't want to detract from what I was doing here. Let me just give you a mute.

1:49:11Collin PalmerYeah, I think, I think we'll, we're going to be, you might see it sooner than later, Mark.

1:49:17BubblemanYeah, exactly. It could happen. It's all the timing, right? It's not like I haven't been having these conversations. They just always seem to go sideways in the 11th hour. And because I've had this brand for so long, I'm like, yeah, I can wait for like years more. So not rushing this.

1:49:35Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, you could wait. The market won't wait for you though, right? So, so you know what?

1:49:41BubblemanFunny thing about the market was it wasn't the same thing it was before I started selling these bags. And so then I had this different perspective than most people. I had this perspective like, oh, like, so you can follow the market or you can create the market. And those are two different things. And they're very different pathways that may very well lead to in the same direction.

1:50:06BubblemanBut they're just one little notch off changes everything. And that's kind of what I'm trying to constantly All right, we're going to take a short break. We're going to take a short break.

1:50:44SpeakerI'm talking about producers.

1:50:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd generally the quality comes from smaller sizes, generally speaking. That's why it's so difficult to bring the quality to the big stage and that's why Mark is You know, Mark Scaldone has given Marcus so much kudos is because it's not super easy to have quality at a large scale. It can be done and it's always a hard, you know, it's always a goal. But, you know, generally the quality is in the small, you know, small holder.

1:51:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I like what Johnny B was saying. I mean, things have changed in the growing world and we've seen an absolute, you know, let's say explosion of, of, Living soils indoors and you know it just continues to prove itself and when you say you have to relearn everything One of the things you're relearning is you don't have to do so much. So once you create the bed, once you create maybe a wooden bed or some kind of a bed for your plants to grow in and you recognize that a larger soil and a bigger root base, you know, is going to keep a health to your plants.

1:51:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then maybe now you're using predators. Maybe 30 years ago, you never needed predators. Honestly, 30 years ago, I mean, who had predators? We've got a lot of pests. So as cannabis grows and as cannabis gets used all over the place, you know, and the environment changes and more extreme conditions are created, pests get created. So, you know, the use of predator mites in nurseries and even Kangen water, as Eric from, you know, Greenhouse down in California talks a lot about is, you know, this Kangen water used in clones and nurseries.

1:52:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd even for foliar sprays. I mean, there are some new technologies that can be used, but, you know, having living soils, beds, you know, an IPM through predators. I mean, you find you have to use a lot less attention and that's really beautiful to see. And incredible amounts of people are changing over. So really right now it's how to build a bed and how to layer in soil and make it last 20 cycles.

1:53:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then create the and then help. One of the things we need to do is help influence like the recreational regulations, because in some cases the regulations are so stringent that it's hard to produce living soils and a recreational thing. But we'll always go back to Green Life Productions and Steve Cantwell down in Las Vegas area. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:53:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much for joining us today.

1:54:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Ganja Gill, who's been on here a few times, you know, has been helping them get their tech dialed in. And Green Life Productions is now bringing beautiful hash to the market in Nevada and Las Vegas. So, you know, beautiful works being done, even in stringent, high microbial jurisdictions or states.

1:54:44SpeakerI just wanted to mention, I've been using biocontrols, good bugs to kill the bad bugs, for 45 years.

1:54:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI recently, I like Copert over there in the Netherlands. Sorry to interrupt you, Johnny. Please come on in a sec. But, you know, people like Syngenta, companies like Syngenta, Support GMO and really harmful practices on earth. And when one thing about Copert and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they, they, you know, produce bugs with non GMOs and they don't involve themselves in a larger companies that do harmful practices on earth.

1:55:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Copert's been a good one. There are other ones, plenty of other ones, but that could they sell all of.

1:55:36Johnny BI was going to say, I've recently added these to my bug line. So actually, and since I've done this a couple months ago, my plants have never, I don't have spider mites or nothing. So it's been living bug. Living Bugs for me has actually changed. So I'm using Familius Hotspot. I'm using Spider Mite Destroyer. I'm using Predator Mite. I'm using Mite Preventator. So these are little things I actually added to my garden for the first time of growing after like 30 years.

1:56:09Johnny BAnd guess what?

1:56:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm happy. Hands off, right? Should have done it a long time ago.

1:56:18Johnny BYeah, and when I added everything in combined, I used to try ladybugs, I used to try these little fix, but I've never added everything at once. And I think that was the biggest thing is listening to all you guys and really just taking that next step, just being an old school grower and not wanting to go to that next little, you know, that next little, okay, I'll jump over the fence.

1:56:35Johnny BSo I finally did that. And it's been quite a great thing of looking at how this whole thing works because I mean, we've got to consider, we've got to look at, right now we're looking at spectrum, coverage, yields, the grower, and what's coming from that, right? So lots of good stuff.

1:56:51Collin PalmerHey, Johnny, also check out some nematodes, definitely. Oh, I have those too, sorry. And I have nematodes in my soil.

1:56:58Johnny BAwesome.

1:57:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then injecting those nematodes into your soil in a way that they don't die off right away, you know, and you can do that in different ways. The way that you apply the nematodes to your soil, you know, to slowly disperse them evenly throughout your soil will help them live longer and in the bed.

1:57:22Johnny BSo I've done them when they come on a form where you just sprinkle them over or that you can actually get them in that little thing. We throw them in our reses and then they just apply by water. So I've had two different methods.

1:57:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOkay. That's super good. One thing that's often overlooked with people, we still see it, is the misdiagnosis of broad mites and russet mites. And it really, really takes having a microscope and turning the leaf upside down and looking at the leaf. I mean, A trained eye can see it right away when they walk into a garden. Generally, the leaf tips are bending down with broad mites and russet mites.

1:57:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's often the leaves are tacoed. And then there's also that yellow look to the leaves. And so Swirsky and Cucumeris together We have found really works really well with both broad mites and russet mites. It can also work for thrips because it can be a thrip thing too as well. And using those, like we said before, in your mother room, you know, and in your cloning and in your vegetative place is essential because to try and, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:58:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for joining us.

1:59:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, so there's different things for spider mites, but it's nice to maybe name your species. It's, you know, Persimilis and Californicus are two that work really good with spider mites. Some people use Andersoni, you know, but talk to your local. All of those things, you know, it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's

1:59:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSay that again.

1:59:49SpeakerPrevention is the key.

1:59:56BubblemanPrevention is the key. Got it. Well, I told my family I would do a short hash church today. I don't know if you guys want to keep going for a while. I can always leave it on for another hour. If you guys want to chat and puff some bowls and get deeper into the conversation, I'll kind of leave it up to you guys. I'm going to go hang out with my little son who's waiting for me on the other side of that door anxiously.

2:00:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're going to go to our son turns 24 this week, Sky, his birthday week. So everyone can give Sky some love and Kelly for, you know, bringing him into the world.

2:00:41Dr Mark ScialdoneIs he on the other side of the door?

2:00:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI know he's outside getting ready to go on a snowmobile excursion up into the mountains. He just got a no board for his birthday, which is very fun, very popular in the area. People can look at no boards. It's without bindings and very popular up here as well. Exactly. So, yeah, so we're going to, you know, help them prepare for that. And also we are coming out, Dragonfly Earth Medicine, Kelly and the family, we're coming out to Victoria and to Vancouver this week.

2:01:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we're really hoping to meet up with you, Johnny B, Marcus, maybe get a chance to check out Embark, look around, check out Whistler Technologies. And Seed and Stone is a dispensary that's highlighting a We have an MMA fighting event where Elias Theodoro is a cannabis athlete here in Canada. And it's going to be one of the first sports events where in the world where you can legally use cannabis, not as a performance enhancing drug, but as a food, as an essential element for your body.

2:01:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo he's going to be able to go into the ring and have a vape Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:02:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd maybe, you know, I don't know how First Nations could maybe interact with American, you know, Native groups and nations, but I think there's good communication potential there. So we are very excited about what can happen. The First Nations, different First Nations groups in Canada are able to create their own realms still in a lot of ways. So it's really important for them to be able to get education Dr. Mark Ghaly, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

2:03:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're really excited to support them and everyone else because they have the ability to influence other federal jurisdiction laws if there's success there. So big love to everyone. We really appreciate

2:03:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much for joining us. We appreciate your time, your patience, your heart, and your intentions. We appreciate you. You're awesome. Have a wonderful day. Make the best out of your work.

2:03:46Dr Mark ScialdoneLook at that backdrop behind Josh. Look at that backdrop, right? You look... No, no, no, no, no. You have to... Right. Just... That's good. Perfect.

2:04:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineUh, Batik. So big love to our family in Bali. Cause we have, you know, very special family out in Indonesia and it's non cannabis related. It's heart centered. We're temple related and we appreciate color and sound and gamelan and food. And if anyone gets the opportunity to go to Bali again in the future, they'll find that there is an amazing international permaculture awakening happening there. And the use of tropical permaculture models and bringing that from farm to table with raw foods and incredible recipes from the world.

2:04:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBali is an amazing place to eat food, meditate, resonate, and give thanks.

2:04:51BubblemanThanks everybody. Peace out.

2:05:00Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you. Bye everybody.

2:05:02Etienne FontanEnjoy your day.

2:05:03Dr Mark ScialdoneHave a great Sunday, everybody.