Springtime and Freeze Drying Techniques

0:01BubblemanAll right, meeting is now streaming on YouTube. Well, that's what's up. I guess we better record onto this computer. Okay, welcome everybody. Hash Church 3.0, episode 21. So I will be going. Oh, and Etienne is in the room. Welcome both to Wade and Etienne. You guys are doing well. Good, Morgan. So far, so good. Excellent. I just got to go share the channel in my YouTube, the new link that just went up.

0:38BubblemanSo give me a few seconds to do that.

0:43SpeakerYou're seeing some nice spring weather down in the Bay Area at 10.

0:50Etienne FontanSo far so good. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, it's a typical between 50s to 70s, you know, but you can definitely see the flowers on the trees as well as the grasses are growing. So signs of spring are here. And yeah, at night, you know, Orion starting to pass out here and we can see, you know, Mars still pretty clearly. So yeah, it's been we've been pretty lucky all in all.

1:17SpeakerTrue that, yes.

1:18Etienne FontanOh, but up there, you should definitely be seeing it warming up, yeah?

1:22SpeakerOh, yeah. Some of the plum trees have bloomed out. A number of the other fruit trees are blooming. They're not blooming, they're budding. The daffodils and the early spring flowers are popping. Lots of color coming back to the landscape, which is one of the beauties of spring. Yeah, it's happening. We've had about three or four days in a row of warm days, cool nights, and yeah, snow has melted and yeah, like that.

1:53SpeakerGood morning.

1:57BubblemanGood morning, Josh and Kelly.

2:02BubblemanOh, he's muted himself.

2:09SpeakerHi, Josh. Headphones. You're muted, Josh.

2:18Etienne FontanCan't hear you, hippie.

2:24BubblemanI feel like there's someone we can't see. No? One, two, three, four. Oh, there's three people entered the waiting room. Well, I better let those people in. Admit, admit, admit. They would probably appreciate coming in. So welcome to Dragonfly Earth Medicine. Josh is in the house. Colin's just popping in. Johnny fucking B is here, of course. And Skunk Man Sam, a man who really shouldn't need an introduction, but there's a little one anyway.

2:57BubblemanWe stretching our necks out, guys? Is that what's going on?

3:00Collin PalmerYeah, stretching my neck. How are you? My neck's been acting a little weird in the last six hours, so... Don't know why. Hey, Ruthie in the house.

3:11SpeakerHey guys, how's it going?

3:13BubblemanIt's going good, man. How about you? Going good, man. Dude, you're making me miss my regenerative hat.

3:19SpeakerI, for the last nine months, I'm like, I got to mail him a new one and I just have not done it. What did I do with my old one? I'll mail you a new one. I just, I just got to get my act together. Somehow I'm mailing all the time, but.

3:32BubblemanI just can't remember what happened to my old one. I wore that hat every day like until it was.

3:37SpeakerIt's kind of a good hat. I have like six of them that I rotate through.

3:41BubblemanOh, yeah. I use a lot of these ones, you know, the Embark ones. But yeah, this Method 7 one's kind of nice. It's little and I just wear what I have. But I do, I miss the one and I can't remember who sent it to me. I feel like it might have been like

3:58Etienne FontanI had the compost one that looked like Compton.

4:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat was dope.

4:03BubblemanYeah, that was a dope one too. And then you hooked me up with Regenerative right after that. Those were my two favorite hats. So welcome to the room, everybody. Fucking where's Skye? Where's Skye? Now we hear him. He's turned his camera off and he's talking in the background.

4:21Etienne FontanYeah, that was pretty funny.

4:24BubblemanSkye!

4:31BubblemanNice, easy, chill morning here in Hash Church. We got a bunch of folks in the room right now. I don't know how many there are, but I'm sure there's a few. I can't seem to see the numbers here like I usually do. Oh, there we go. There we go. Awesome. Well, I hope everyone's doing well today at the end of another week. I just spent five days up in Whistler myself, so I feel very Regenerative, in fact, that's my regeneration.

5:07BubblemanHumans need regeneration as well to maintain sustainability. Plants and humans are very similar in that way. Did you come out of your chrysalis? Popped right out. It's spring. Spring is in the air. And for those of you that don't know, that is my time. I have a birthday coming up here in like Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler,

5:45BubblemanWe'll usually get one last storm. We'll get this really beautiful powder. And I'm hoping on making it up to Whistler for my birthday as some of my best birthdays have been up there. My friend has dug out an igloo, took him three weeks. He dug out a beautiful igloo up on Whistler Mountain and he's been hanging out with a pine martin up there. This little cool little Weasel creature has been coming up and visiting him and eating fruits and nuts out of his hand.

6:12BubblemanAnd yeah, it's just all around super cool. So I'm looking to go spend my birthday with this little pine martin, maybe a couple of ravens and some whiskey jacks and some friends. We'll see how it goes.

6:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's really cool. Skya and Kendall and the kids went up to Kendall's cabin out near, um, Belmont and snowmobiled like 80 kilometers out into the, into the high country. And they were feeding pine Martins too. There is a whole Pine Martin family that was in the house. And I mean, they can be, you know, a vicious little creature. And they're just the coolest paws and they have these weird little noises.

6:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd they're like almost like snow otters.

6:55BubblemanThey have locking jaws.

7:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe ermine are really cool up here too, which are white. And they look similar to the pine martin, but they're smaller and they're completely white.

7:10BubblemanYeah, yeah, those are, I've seen them on the mountain, which is incredible to say because they are next to impossible to see. But I have seen them on the mountains before, those perfectly white ones that just, you know, they, you only see them while they're moving. And the minute they stop moving, they just disappear in the snow. It's pretty awesome.

7:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe had the rare occasion of seeing a wolverine recently coming down from Revelstoke. And it was just this amazing creature, you know, coming across the road. And I don't know if anyone knows about wolverines, but they're one of the most elusive beings in our forest. One of the other elusive beings in our forest is the mountain caribou. And the Mountain Caribou are also kind of threatened in this area.

8:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd there's a thing that everyone should know about called the Y2Y corridor, which is the Yellowstone to Yellowknife up in Northwest Territories corridor, where they're trying to keep as much of an intact Corridor Wilderness going up to Alaska to keep that flowing for animals. So the Purcell Wilderness is in that and people should look into the Purcell Wilderness and even Willett Wilderness Forever is an area that people are trying to make into the park.

8:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo please look into Willett Wilderness Forever and see if you can sign those petitions and just create more wilderness in British Columbia.

8:42BubblemanBeautifully said. Absolutely. My friend Bushy Wayne on Instagram posted a footage of I don't know if it was Wolverine or Badger, but it was one of the two and it was their tracks and he was following it in his, I don't, I think it was in his plane, but it seemed like a helicopter footage. But you're just over this crazy, like forested snow covered mountain range and you just see these tracks and he follows them for quite some time.

9:09BubblemanIt's a, it's pretty cool footage for those of you that might want to check it out.

9:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also Bush Wayne is really cool and does amazing stuff in the mountains. And I know he's a friend of yours, Marcus, and his partner is important to note, Sarah, and everything. But amazing stuff that Bush Wayne does.

9:28BubblemanHey, I wanted to shout out both Bingo Lombardi and 70s Mama, who have just been, they've been the admins in our chat room here in YouTube for a very long time. And I just don't think we give them enough props. 70s Mama's been away and we've been missing her. She just came on just now and said she would love to invite Wade Laughter to speak to her CSC students about Harlequin and CBD in general.

9:54BubblemanI was lucky enough to speak to her students. It was very enjoyable. 70s Mom has been one of our longtime admins and she's been taking care of the chat. So Wade, I can hook you up with her afterwards and I'm sure you can help her out and do something wonderful together.

10:11SpeakerThank you. And yes, I'd love to. It's, it is, I consider that the primary focus of my work is helping people understand what cannabis can do. In addition to the lovely benefit of getting us high. So yeah, please, Marcus, hook us up and I'd be glad to.

10:28Etienne FontanYeah, shout out to 70s Mama as well. She invited me on to one of her classes as well. It was a wonderful, fun, easygoing experience. You'll enjoy it, Wade.

10:39BubblemanTotally. Another person who does classes is Selena Wong, who lives in Vernon, and she's been on Hash Church before, and she's had her own show on here, the Selena Wong show, the Flower of Life show. And she does a class with some local native women. And I also did her class, and it was, I think I've done it twice now, in fact, and it was also well worth the time and energy, and I just thought it was great to Adam Winslet, MD, Meet some new folks and hear from them and help educate them on things that I happen to know.

11:14BubblemanAnd so I'm sure Selena would be pretty stoked to have any of the people on the panel here and Dragonfly Earth Madison and Josh and Wade and Etienne and everyone really, I think that you guys would be would do good to get in touch with her as well. Because she's doing good things as well.

11:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're super in touch with Selena. We think she's one of the greatest people ever. She does do really amazing work, part of the spiritual community in British Columbia. And yeah, I'm pretty sure she has an online website that's maybe a dispensary of some type and everything. So yeah, she's a really beautiful woman. Awesome. We support her in every way.

12:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJust like to shout out Brandon and Amanda for down at Kush Kirk for this guava punch. We just made this guava punch hash at the house here the other day with Subsidium and the Cannabinard Lachlan and Adam and stuff. And wow, this guava punch came out like spectacular.

12:22SpeakerBig up. That was something they bred down there on their farm.

12:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, Guava Punch came out of the guava and the punch breath. So we got the punch breath. Oh no, the strawberry guava. I'm pretty sure it's a strawberry guava by punch breath. And yeah, they gave us seeds last year. We grew them on the property this year. Fino hunted it, cloned it, got it out to the community here in the Kootenays and started making hash with it, you know, and it's just spectacular.

12:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, this other one, this other one is really cool. Say what?

13:00BubblemanHow did, like, what did you, that looks like rosin to me.

13:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat kind of has- Oh, I'm sorry. It's rosin.

13:08BubblemanFrom flour? I'm sorry.

13:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's, it's from, from a hash. I made ice water hash out of fresh frozen, pressed it at 180 degrees and have kept it, you know, perfectly. It's just back and, and, and the, it's, it almost rips your face apart when you open the thing. It just peels your skin back. It's just like, ah.

13:33BubblemanA little guava? I have a little grape guava that was given to me by Pressed. No, this one was given to me by Globby Johnson. And then I've got the banana pudding that was given to me by Pressed Out. They look very similar in color for certain of what you have there. We'll have to get together and have a little puff down soon.

13:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou're on mute, Josh. Glue pig. From Josh Wax down in LA, the glue pig. He gave us the alien OG, the glue pig, the hog's breath, and something else. And the hash just turned out really phenomenal. Or the rosin and hash both turned out really good from it.

14:20BubblemanBeautiful, beautiful. Well, let's have ourselves a little bowl here on Hash Church. We certainly don't snub our noses at some nice solventless oil or for that matter, any type of oil. We have all sorts of different panelists that enjoy all sorts of different things here. We try to be inclusive and remove ourselves from these silly divisions that we get caught up in sometimes as human beings.

14:45Collin PalmerJosh, did you get to deploy any of the The things I sent over to you, the little notes here and there in the process.

14:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I just want everyone to know how stoked I am about Colin because he shared with me some tech that was really, really phenomenal. And yes, Colin, I really appreciate that. I'm sort of in the middle of a couple of runs right now to be able to give you like the full You know, sort of reply on my thoughts on it. And again, I'm sort of somewhat new at it and everything in this last year.

15:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut yes, incredible work. And I think that has a lot to do with why the terps are so strong on it. I mean, in some cases, the terpenes are stronger than the flower was. And maybe that's normal. But you know, in our case here, you know, the terpenes are just crazy in there.

15:43Collin PalmerYou know, I think you have an opportunity to, with the knowledge that I gave, I passed on you to retain a lot. And, but I think, you know, we always lose a little bit. It's just where we're at. I don't, unless you're using a Lab Conoco or things like that. I think it's, and even then you're still, you know, I don't think anybody really has any true data on it quite yet, but, or maybe they do.

16:04Collin PalmerI just, I'm not aware of it, but yeah. I'm super stoked that you're able to utilize it and have fun with it. And yeah, make great medicine. I'm so stoked. So yeah, please give me some feedback. I love hearing, you know, how it went. So thanks.

16:23Collin PalmerI helped Josh with some freeze dryer techniques and just gave him some pointers and, you know, just gave him the, armed him with the right stuff and, you know, let him do his thing. And I think he took the sheet music and made some beautiful music, you know, as I call it, you know.

16:48BubblemanIs this something we're sharing with our audience or is this something that we're keeping a little closer to our chest?

16:52Collin PalmerWe're keeping it a little closer but but it's uh you know I I just had to ask because we talked about it for so like a while ago and I just we haven't checked in on each other and I I just wanted to ask because you you pulled up that beautiful jar and I was like that looks pretty familiar.

17:07BubblemanThe same reason I asked because it was mentioned on Hash Church I had to mention like Are we talking about this? We can talk about it in the future. Maybe one day I'll invite a bunch of people on who use freeze dryers and we'll spend the first hour just talking about settings and how to sublimate out the water. It's not as tricky as you might think, depending on the type of freeze dryer that you have.

17:30BubblemanIt's just like anything. You learn the variables and then you tune the variables to find the sweet spot. And how you do that All of that is by making mistakes. And it's not that difficult. You make little mistakes. They they direct you as long as you're paying attention and you have that awareness, you'll find that sweet spot. Making rosin is no different. You've got pressure, you've got heat, you've got time.

17:53BubblemanThose are your three variables. Now you're going to tune each of those variables in and you're going to hone in on that sweet spot. And the sweet spot could change from person to person. Who knows? For me, it's always about Definitely getting my yield because I hate the idea of leaving things behind, but also preserving the flavor as much as I can. Yeah, that's kind of kind of my my my process.

18:20BubblemanWe use a bunch of different freeze dryers at my work. So a freeze dryer conversation really would have to be. With people who are using the same freeze dryers, because if you've got people who are using LabConcos and people who are using freeze drycos, the conversation is not going to be the same conversation. They'll be thinking that what one person says doesn't align with what the other person says.

18:45Collin PalmerAnd elevation, I find, sometimes has a big play into settings as well.

18:52Collin PalmerSo that'll change based on where you are geographically.

18:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAlso Flynn from Wooksauce Winery has some really good tech and Ganja Gill is just bigging him up on his story not too long ago for helping him bring his dry time down quite a bit and also continue to keep his quality up. So I think that, you know, if you can keep your times down and still at times down, turps up, that's kind of a... Let your gut it down to seven hours, but it's also...

19:25BubblemanYou know, part of that is that his screens that he uses that we purchased that insert into the freeze dryer, they have very big metal frames and then they're basically screens that the hash sits on. So the sublimation of the water happens way faster. But. It's also seemingly faster because you put a lot less hash in because of that big metal frame. When we first started, I can't tell you how many times I muffined out my freeze dryer, putting in so much hash that every single tray that I pulled out was like the hash had risen right to the top of the bottom of the next tray.

20:02BubblemanAnd the cleaning of the freeze dryer when you do that is extreme. Like that silicone mat that is on the top, you know, freeze dryers tend to look like they're upside down when they go in. And that's because those heaters have a silicone mat that goes over top of them. And that's kind of what buffers the heat and controls the sublimation of the water. And so we used to, oh my God, we used to put like three, four wet kilos of hash into these things.

20:30BubblemanAnd that's just too much. The amount that seems to come out perfectly is, you know, around 700 to 800 dried grams from a harvest right at least, which is really the freeze dryer that 90% of people in the industry and community are using right now. Because they're a lyophilization oven that is like really the most basic one that you could possibly buy. And because of Freeze Dry Co, who is the manufacturer for Harvest Right and makes all of those freeze dryers, they already had a business where they were creating freeze dryers for a variety of industries.

21:06BubblemanSo to create a little side hub where they could just start pumping out these very small little home units, really, even the laboratory one, It's more of a home unit than not. In my opinion, I got attacked pretty good on my Facebook page the other day when I mentioned to a friend to avoid using the oiled pumps that come with the harvest rights. Now, this guy just came at me fairly intellectually, you know, not very passive aggressively.

21:36BubblemanI felt like he had just been, you know, under house arrest like all of us for the last year and was probably at the rope. And he was like, I think I'll take it out on Bubble Man today. Like, that seems like as good as any. And his argument was that the oil pumps work fine if you know how to use the oil and the pump properly.

21:56BubblemanFor me, I love the idea of mitigating all risk when it comes to, and funny enough, just as I'm about to talk about mitigating risk in a laboratory, Dr. Mark Sheldon pops into the room. So that's pretty trippy. Well played, Dr. Mark. Well played. I know you didn't hear what I just said, but I'm talking about mitigating risk in the laboratory and the atomized oil from those pumps that unless you have it piped out of your lab goes into the air and is not good for humans and is definitely not something you want to find on your hash.

22:32BubblemanSo I'm talking about, Mark, right now, why I think the scroll pump is a better idea than an oil pump.

22:38Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, yeah. Any lab for freeze drying. OK, yeah, yeah.

22:45BubblemanYeah, so that's basically the conversation. So, you know, first of all, the scroll pump is way more expensive, but you don't have to deal with changing the oil like after every batch, which, in my opinion, is a very large vector for potential contamination because the oil is kind of invisible and it transfers very easily depending on your ability in the lab. And everyone has different abilities. And so that's one good way to mitigate that risk is by getting rid of it.

23:14BubblemanSecondary, the scroll pump in the long run will be the cheaper option because you won't be continually buying oil to put into the pump. It costs money to do that.

23:26Collin PalmerAnd or a pump that breaks because you didn't change the oil when you were supposed to.

23:30BubblemanYeah, well, it's all about getting, there's water that ends up in that oil and then you have to separate it, filter it out. They give you the whole thing, but it's nasty. There's no...

23:40Dr Mark ScialdoneInvariably, all of that, all that pump exhaust should be exhausted like out of fuel because otherwise you're going to develop this film of stuff all over the inside of your lab. All of that stuff, which you try to keep clean, but it's a greasy kind of grime that just ends up collecting everywhere. And it'll attract dust too, and dirt.

24:04BubblemanAnd why people aren't thinking about it is because it's invisible basically, and they don't. The one difference that they're not doing is doing microbial testing on their lab weekly. Where you just swab everything and send it off and find out what's going on. If you're not doing that and you're just assuming that's scary.

24:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe new premium pumps, I'll just say, you can get like 20 cycles out of it without changing the oil. Not that I'm promoting the oil pump after everything you said, but the new premium pumps that come from Harvest Rite don't have to be changed every single time. So that's a positive thing. But the squirrel pumps are great. Maybe someone could put a link of some of the squirrel pumps that you're talking about up on the chat.

24:55Dr Mark ScialdoneSquirrel, not squirrel.

24:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSorry, squirrel friend. Thanks for the squirrel pump.

25:02Collin PalmerLeboid is another great company.

25:06Dr Mark ScialdoneCole Palmer.

25:07Collin PalmerYeah, Cole Palmer is also another company.

25:09Dr Mark ScialdoneCole Palmer is a good one. And yeah, I mean.

25:13Collin PalmerLeboid is what VTA uses. And, you know, I've had a few of them on some other devices.

25:20Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, they're sometimes called diaphragm pumps, right? Is a diaphragm pump the same as a scroll pump? I think it's the same, right?

25:30BubblemanDefinitely heard them spoken about in the same sentence.

25:33Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. I think it's just, and so the fundamental difference between that and an oil pump is just the whole pumping mechanism is just oil free because basically what you're doing is you're compressing and decompressing a diaphragm, which creates a vacuum, right? And if you have your valve set up right, as, as, as the, as the, Steve Sorenson, M.D. : diaphragm is decompressed it creates a negative pressure or vacuum which again creates sort of like this pulsating kind of.

26:04Dr Mark ScialdoneSteve Sorenson, M.D. : Negative pressure right so that's why it there's kind of like a noise to it because the diaphragm is going back and forth and it's only on the fourth cycle that it actually pulls the vacuum. Steve Sorenson, M.D. : Otherwise, it needs to push so pulling and pushing pulling and pushing but you're only sort of capturing the pulling, so to speak.

26:25Collin PalmerYou're looking very Jerry today. You just have like the black shirt with the hair. You just like, you just have this.

26:35Dr Mark ScialdoneDo I act like Jerry too?

26:36Collin PalmerYou just have this like, yeah, you just have the ism going, you know?

26:40BubblemanYeah, I just want to go back for one second on scroll pumps versus diaphragms because I just checked it out. The scroll technology is based on smooth orbital operation while diaphragm pumping involves abrupt cycling of the diaphragm.

26:51Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. But I believe they're, are they both oil is smart? Are they both, they don't involve an oil?

27:00BubblemanI'd have to go in deeper. Scroll definitely does not. I don't think diaphragm does either. That use two spiral scrolls to compress air.

27:09Dr Mark ScialdoneBut you know, your point of oil contamination in the hash is still, you know, regardless, you want to basically use an oil-free pump. And again, oil-free pumps can only give you a vacuum of so much, but for just drying water, you only need that kind of vacuum. You don't really need a really, really deep vacuum that only the oil can give you.

27:31BubblemanAnd yes, someone in the chat just mentioned that the oil that Harvest Right supplies is not the best oil. Absolutely. 100% agreed. But is there really a best oil to be anywhere near your hash?

27:47Dr Mark ScialdoneHash oil.

27:48BubblemanMaybe that's the only one. I like it. Well, people really enjoyed that little bit of the conversation. I will tell you, just from reading the chat, people were like, bring it on. I got my notepad out. This is important information. Things that people are looking to save time and mitigate risk.

28:09Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so, Mark, does Harvest Right sell a pump with their machine that they sell? The Food grade freeze dryer.

28:19BubblemanOil pump that comes with it.

28:20Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's an oil pump. Oh.

28:22BubblemanYeah.

28:22Collin PalmerThey have an upgrade too as well, I believe. I don't know what it is. They sell the scroll as well.

28:31Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay.

28:32BubblemanYeah, it's $2,000. Yeah, $1,400 US.

28:36Dr Mark ScialdoneBut it's not the standard pump that, so if someone gets a freeze dryer and they think that they have the thing that they need to freeze dry their hash, that's not the situation.

28:45BubblemanWell, they can get the job done. I'm not saying they can't, but it's, you know, it seems inevitable at one point that with all the risks, it's kind of like when you're back in the day before PF Tech came out, which is distilled water with spores from mushrooms in a syringe. We had to use things called transfer chambers, which of course Mark would know what that is because it's a pretty standard thing in a lab when you really need to avoid this microbial world that we absolutely live in.

29:14BubblemanYou have to create a small chamber and kill all the bacteria in it and like go in with gloves and do your work in there. And so, you know, unless you're doing your oil changes in there, to me, I just couldn't take the risk. Every time I saw that oil, I just wanted it out of my lab immediately. And that's what we made sure we did before there was any problems.

29:42Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's really great if you can have kind of like your vacuum pumps kind of like in like a mechanical room area that's adequately ventilated. And so if they do end up spewing stuff, it's kind of in a separate room from where your product is out and open. Because, you know, those vacuum lines, they all need to be exhausted and very rarely go into a lab and Steve Sorenson, MD, It'll smell sour and it'll be kind of like again that grime and it's like you guys realize you're sending all that vacuum stuff.

30:13Dr Mark ScialdoneSteve Sorenson, MD, Vacuum doesn't just disappear. It's got to go somewhere, right? Ends up all over your lab, right? And you're right, those microscopic particles, I imagine a hash just could be a magnet for all that, you know?

30:30BubblemanI'll tell you, and even worse so, how about if they're making rosin and they're actually pressing rosin in parchment paper, which we know, I think I've even shown it right here on Hash Church. Even hash pressed in parchment paper, particularly touched by humans, seems to send and charge that thing statically. And so when the rosin is hanging in a band, you can take your finger and put it nearby and the rosin will go like this.

30:59BubblemanJordan Hale, Jordan Hale, Jordan Hale, Jordan Hale,

31:23Dr Mark ScialdoneThe wide world of hash, man. That's totally fucking cool, dude. Tricks, you can, can you teach it to do tricks?

31:30BubblemanWell, you can, how about this? From a microbial or a contamination mind in a lab, would you want to see that shit like exposed in any way? Like it's literally pulling, charged pulling, like anything that's floating in the air, like you just have, it has to be kept really, really clean. I think, It'll take a little while, but eventually people are going to become aware of all these things as they make little mistakes in their labs and have their problems.

32:01BubblemanBecause this is a relatively new industry and we're not all chemists that come from a chemistry background that we're trained to to work in in labs, you know, like.

32:13Etienne FontanI don't know, the best I could ever train my hash was to burn up in a small series of little fires. That's the only trick I've been able to teach it to. I mean, you know, I put on a little flechette before and flung it into a bowl, but you know, that's about it.

32:29Collin PalmerI always feel like the hash is training me. Don't touch me this way. You're going to get stuck all over your fingers, Colin. Don't do that.

32:35BubblemanThat's a very Michael Pollan way of looking at it, Botany of Desire, for any of those of you who have read that book. It's an interesting thing when you think of almost like cordyceps infecting the mind of the insect to climb to the tallest tree so it can fruit and explode its spores to find more insects to infect. I sometimes wonder, like, is Skunk Man Sam breeding cannabis, or is cannabis directing Skunk Man Sam through some sort of... What do you think, Skunk Man?

33:14Dr Mark ScialdoneFlag the tail.

33:16SpeakerThe botany of desire, but desire is what binds you to the wheel of life. So I guess we all got to get away from botany. Maybe it'll just grow itself.

33:34Etienne FontanWell, I think I've always kind of convinced that it's like man has always spread cannabis. No, cannabis has gotten man to spread it throughout the entire world. So yeah, I think cannabis is a wee bit smarter than some of us humans in some respects.

33:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOne of the things we're getting ready to do on the farm today as soon as we're finished is plant ganja outside because it's a really good planting. What moon is it today?

34:02SpeakerIt's Libra.

34:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhy is Libra good?

34:04SpeakerLibra is just an air sign. It's really awesome for flowers only. You really don't want to be planting any of your veggies. That's for in the next couple of days when the moon moves into Cancer or Scorpio. Bethany Hrachovec, Ph.D.: Moves into Scorpio in a couple of days. And then that's just going to be Bethany Hrachovec, Ph.D.: Way better for your pumpkins and your squashes and all of your brassicas and things like that time to get those in the garden, as well as all of your peas and your spinaches.

34:34SpeakerSo in the next couple of days, but today is a really awesome day and tomorrow morning. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so excited to be here. We're so excited to be here.

35:05SpeakerAnd if people look at utilize the sunlight, just seems like, you know, after 30 years of growing, we've just come to that. That's, you know, what's easy and how can we grow gardens for when we're 89 or 90? And this is just the way to do it. We don't have to carry pots around. We just carry a little bag of seeds out to the garden and direct.

35:26SpeakerSo it's been awesome.

35:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe only plants that we may put in pots are some of the ones that we may want to keep as a male. We did think about, we tried digging up some of the males out of the direct stow, out of the greenhouse, and in some cases that worked. We had to put it in the shade. We do that every year. In a creek. We put it in a creek in the shade for a couple days, let it like kind of We have a couple of questions here.

35:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe have a couple of questions here. We have a couple of questions here.

36:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat means there's pollen going through the air. But, you know, so it's good to have research and developing farms out there. But this year, you can look on our Instagram. In the last couple of days, we showed how we've prepared our beds this year. And we really like, you know, the rameel chipped wood chips and how they are going to feed our rhizosphere. And we really like the idea that when the seed Thank you so much for joining us today.

36:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're going to get started in about a minute or so.

36:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for joining us today.

37:22SpeakerSomebody just asked to, on the chat, I just wanted to address So that's a super awesome question about planting. So they realize your temperatures at night are around five degrees Celsius, then you can really start planting. That's just telling you that it's a good, yeah, or 45 degrees Fahrenheit. And that's just telling you, hey, you know, it's probably a good time to start putting in seeds. If it's going to be super wet and rainy and that temperature, you might want to hold off until the rains sort of pass But when you've got optimal soil temperatures as well as optimal moon signs, somebody wrote in there that it's pseudoscience, but really the moon signs are what moves the ocean.

38:10SpeakerThe moon signs are what decides when plants uptake nutrients. Trees, we know when we look at when they're in a water sign, they uptake a tremendous amount more of water and different humidities during that time.

38:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, pretty obvious. Yeah.

38:26SpeakerAnd we've tried to do all different types of tests, you know, planting in a fire moon right next to one in a water moon and be like, yeah, you know, we're really going to document this. Or sometimes we have to push it because you just can't get around it and you have to plant anyway because we're running out of time. And we notice it's tremendously different when you hit it on the right moon as opposed to when you don't.

38:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Maria Thun is one biodynamic woman. I mean, she did tons of tests and proved that she even modified the biodynamic planting calendar into a more modern calendar. So yeah, now's a really good time to plant outdoors. You can plant outdoors under the sun. One thing, if you make hash and it has a little seed in it, you can put the hash out in on your beds, you know, like the leftover leaf while you're making hash, the seeds kind of, All of these plants germinate, they don't germinate, but they soak like you would a sprout.

39:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then when you put the hash dregs out on your, this for the home gardener, out on the soil, like in a greenhouse, you could do that for the last month, We've had dregs with seeds in it on top of soil. And soon as the earth temperature gets warm enough, sprouts come up. So there's some beds out there that have like 1,000 sprouts coming up. And these seeds have been frozen Thank you so much for joining us.

40:23SpeakerAnd anyone who's a gardener knows that, you know, volunteers coming up are so much more vigorous. They're so much more adapted to the soil around them. They're ready for the microbial life that they're going to uptake because they've already known it throughout the whole winter. And also I'm still seeing on the chats here that somebody is talking about pseudoscience and they want the scientific paper as well.

40:46SpeakerLet's go ahead and let's look back. Before industrialized revolution, the scientific papers on the moon signs and moon plantings were incredibly vast. You can go back to the early 1800s and way into the early 1900s before we started mechanized big agriculture that really is aligned with, you know, not nature and not the moon. And, you know, it's not really looking at natural sciences. So let, you know, I just want to let people know that there's papers out there and there are a lot of comparison studies that will actually really blow your mind.

41:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo check it out. I'll leave it here. Rudolf Steiner wrote 1 million pages of documents before 1920. Have a look at it. You can decide whether you think they're valuable.

41:42SpeakerI had a couple of questions. On that last thing, I can't point to the paper, but I know that in the forestry world, there's somebody who's been looking at what sort of harvest in terms of Thank you for joining us.

42:15SpeakerIs it relevant to cannabis? I can't prove that, but I definitely, I use the biodynamic calendar in the work here on the farm. Deep appreciation to Ms. Stone, indeed. And then I had a question for you guys. Do you soak the seeds before you put them in direct soil sowing in a greenhouse? Or do you water the soil to keep them moist enough that they sprout?

42:43SpeakerWe just soak them in our mouth. And usually I'll count how many holes that I want to do. And in each hole, we'll maybe put three to five seeds And we can do this and we can direct so like this because we are breeders and we do have so many seeds and people gift us so many seeds. So we have this ability to maybe pick the very best female in each hole.

43:07SpeakerSo I'll sort of count all of the different holes that I want to plant. And then I'll count out the seeds. I'll put them in my mouth. I'll sort of suck on them a little bit. I'll make all of the labels and the name tags that is needed for those holes. And then I'll just plant them. So it only gets a pre-soak with saliva.

43:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI would probably add that the most magical thing is that we use a Dao Xing crystal. And this will be really great for the people who love pseudoscience. We use a Dao Xing crystal over every one of our seed packages. And we truly believe in this. We lay our seeds out, you know, in front of us on a table from all the people that we get it from.

43:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we use a crystal and you... You can get a yes or a no from the crystal on whether that plant, you have to ask an intentional, simple question. You have to say, is this, you know, whatever you want, is this medicine good for me? Does this medicine make hash? Will this cure Crohn's disease, cancer, whatever it is. And you ask the question to this crystal and that goes through.

44:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd so we choose our seeds based off that. Then we put them in our, our mouth. To get the DNA. And then we will roll it in lush roots, a little mycorrhizal fungi with our saliva on it. And then we'll put it into the soil direct, which also has indigenous microorganisms and all of the other living cultures that we've put into the soil. And then we wet the soil down.

44:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then that's right. We let nature and soil germinate the seed. And it's our belief that if it doesn't grow out of that soil in that moon sign with that, then really it's not meant to be on our land and grown out with our intentions.

44:52SpeakerThe way that we wanted to and I understand if someone has specific seeds that they want to grow there's there's other ways of doing it but this is just the way that we do it on on our farm and this is the way that we've come to too and also we do a lot of tests and a lot of different observations and we'll soak some and we'll put some over here we'll try some in wherever but You know, it's just good to always try out different things.

45:18SpeakerAnd when you're rich in seeds or you're a breeder, then why not try out a lot of different mediums and a lot of different areas and try to plant out of moon signs that are optimal and see what happens. You know, I think it's really awesome because people can listen to us here on Hash Church or They can go and do it themselves because I feel like the very best relationship that we can have not only with nature but with the cannabis plant is to grow our own.

45:48SpeakerAnd the reason why you put it in your mouth is because you're creating that relationship Thank you so much for joining us.

46:13SpeakerAll of these plants and trees healthy is the same microbiology that helps break down our own- And the seed coating. Yeah, our own food inside of our body, which helps make us healthy. It's a cycle. I think that often we're always looking for proof. And proof is always given in science when we isolate. And when we isolate things, we're only seeing it from a very small pinpoint place in a whole universe of microcosmic possibilities.

46:53SpeakerSo I think that when we are relying on just pinpoint accuracies, I think that we are not valuing all of the possibilities that nature and humanity has to offer.

47:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSomeone asked how long we keep the seeds in the mouth and you can keep the seeds in your mouth as long as really you want to. You could say your favorite prayer or you could set your intention for that seed and that's how long you kept it in your mouth. I think it's, again, you've an intuition.

47:31Johnny BSo as you guys are talking and that was just awesome. Someone sent me this stuff a while back and you're telling me I should like roll my piece after it roots in this stuff. That's awesome.

47:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFungi, you know, if it's the spore has to touch the root in order.

47:52SpeakerA living root.

47:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIn order for the spore to come alive. So if you can get direct contact, if you can get direct.

48:01Johnny BI mean, most of my clones.

48:05Johnny BSo I'm just curious about it because now I'm really interested in what you're talking about. Sorry, I'm just running around. So I'm going to just get my clones and when they root, I would just kind of roll that in some of this stuff or is that what you're saying? I'll just read this.

48:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, I'm not, you know, and I guess what... Well, what you do is you would make a little mycorrhizal solution. Okay. You could use a little cornstarch and water and make a little dip gel with mycorrhizal fungi and maybe aloe. And then you can dip your cutting into it, right? And so the cutting out has aloe juice and mycorrhizal fungi on it. So it helps the fruit.

49:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat, wait, it's just you want it wrapped around the stock of the clone that you're taking. So when you put the clone in. I didn't hear what you're saying. Okay, I didn't hear what you said there.

49:12Johnny BOkay, sorry, oh, my microphone's over here. So when I cut a clone, I would dip it into something like this first before I put it into the peat and then allow it to root, but not after.

49:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for joining us.

49:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, check the sourcing of the product. Some of that is grown on GMO substrate. Some of it's certified organic. So, you know, if you want to get.

49:51SpeakerSome of it is just single species. It might be only feeding, you know, Yeah, it's just a single species. Polyculture is just super important. So, you know.

50:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we're recommending a living microbial cloning. You know, often cloning is used with fungicides and a sterile environment. The type of cloning that we're talking about is the exact opposite, where you make a living soil bed and you put mycorrhizal fungi and stalks in it. And when the roots come out, they're full of white hairs and the white hairs are where the plant uptakes nutrients. So you're automatically getting an inoculation on your root and that inoculation stays with the plant its entire life.

50:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. Okay. And that's why it's important to get the mycorrhizal fungi root on there as soon as possible. Now, a lot of people do indigenous microorganisms and make soils that they're getting mycorrhizal fungi wild from the environment. And that's also recommended. It's also recommended. It's just if you want to ensure, you know, the studied mycorrhizal fungi, I think you can do a very easy Thank you so much for joining us.

51:35SpeakerJust for fun.

51:35Collin PalmerThis is a great product. I was just going to say, you know, Josh, I've been using your product, and boy, have I seen incredible increase in vigor. The Lush Roots alone is really awesome. I did some really isolated tests with some Motor Breath 15, some Chem-D, some Sour Diesel clones, and then just recently, Banana

52:01Collin PalmerYou know, strong Nana clone. So I am seeing side by side results. And, you know, I've always rolled my clones in my garage and then then transplanted. Right. But having this this lush roots is It's really incredible stuff, man. It's, you know, Johnny, you should get some, man. It's really great. I plan on continuing to incorporate it into my whole regiment at this point. It's really phenomenal.

52:29Collin PalmerSo really beautiful work, guys. Thank you.

52:33Johnny BFor the first time, I haven't listened to you guys talk about this for a long time, so I have to change everything. I've redone the whole room. I'm looking at cutting new clones, tying things down. I have these products, and I'm going to be calling you guys daily, and I'm going to come up for a visit. You drive by my house a few times. I missed you on the Sunshine Coast the other day.

52:54Johnny BYou were there. I was there the next day. So it was kind of funny. I was like, saw Joel the day after.

52:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I was like, oh, I just missed you guys.

53:02Johnny BBut awesome. Love listening to you guys. I'm just quiet here and taking the information again.

53:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe didn't make it through Vancouver. We were fully feeling you and we really wanted to stop. But we were like on this midnight mission after coming out of the coast and made it through. But we did have an amazing time.

53:20SpeakerAnd I wanted to touch really quickly on what Josh was saying about this idea of I think it's really important to think of what is sterile and the idea of bringing sort of half-sterilized techniques into your garden. It's sort of like these half-sterilized techniques too, you know, with the mask and what people are wearing and like what is sterile, what is not sterile. It's like microbial life is all around us.

53:51SpeakerIt's everywhere.

53:55SpeakerWe tend to go towards maybe the science side of it and say sterilized is what is clean. But I'd like to sort of open up the minds to people on the idea that when you have a tremendous amount of beneficial microbiology on your side and you're working with beneficial microbiology, then that can be more of a definition of what clean is. Thank you so much for joining us.

54:41SpeakerA dip or or something that's used for rooting gels or something like that that's a fungicide that josh said it's actually sterilizing everything around where you're dipping it which means that you're killing all of the bacteria all of the fungi even the endophytic fungi which is inside or the cyanobacteria which is on the outside of the plant Where if you have a healthy clone, then you really don't want to be killing that because that's your health.

55:12SpeakerThat's your vitality. That's the well-being in the plant that's going to go up inside of the plant and become its own healthy microbiome. So when you ally with this microbiology that we're talking about, like these endos and ectos, it's really similar. You know, to just allying with nature and getting that cleanliness from nature. So just a little thought there for everybody.

55:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd healthy microbes eat pathogens as breakfast. That's their whole entire purpose. So Fusarium and Pythium tend to propagate in sterile Cloning environments. This is why tissue culture has become such a big thing. Maybe Mark can tell or someone can talk about tissue culture and how that's different than what we're saying. But I believe that, like Kelly said, a healthy microbiology system eats pathogens.

56:08Johnny BI was going to say I cut clones two days ago, so I'm going to go in, pull those out of the peats, make up this, dip it in there and put them back in because they're probably just starting to swell a little bit. So I have that little window right now. Thank you so much for the lesson because that's what I'm doing this afternoon.

56:24SpeakerSo that's awesome. I can't wait.

56:34SpeakerOkay, time to do a job. We got quiet for a second. Le bong le rip. Do a little dab.

56:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe had an amazing trip, we'll just say, and we got to visit Terry Willard and Alexandra on the island. And they're just such amazing people and they're elders in our community. And they started, you know, people should look into Wild Rose College. It's an herbal college online and people have, they've been just doing, you know, they even have a cannabis course now that they're doing online, which I think is really valuable to like the home grower.

57:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd, and, and people beyond. It was really wonderful to see their, their way they've transformed their, their six acres and utilizing alternative energy and hugelkultur swales and polyculture diversity and all the different medicines that they're making. And, you know, going along the coast, we just,

57:31SpeakerAnd it just, it's just reminding me, I don't mean to cut you off, just really quickly, like, you know, the world is a really crazy place. If anybody has a backyard or even like a five by 10 piece of land, like, I mean, gardening is so incredibly healing if you're even if you're going to only grow like a couple of tomato plants and you can watch them grow.

57:53SpeakerThat means that you're outside. That means that you're with the soil. And I just am really encouraging people to have little backyard gardens or to share backyard gardens with those people who do have backyards. Thank you so much for joining us today.

58:21SpeakerSince we are here and we do want to save ourselves and I think it's probably really optimal that we all get into backyard gardening and growing our own food so that we can be eating good nutrients and uptaking good microbiology so that we have the ability to think outside of the box of with which just science and media is teaching us something outside of that I think will be really helpful for our species.

58:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd building bird houses, bat houses, and minor bee hotels are a really good thing to do right now. We're going to build swallow houses because the swallows come back. I wrote a note from last year that they came back on April 15th. So I'm trying to prepare. I want to have a good amount of swallow houses for them. So creating habitat is also very important in a time when we're losing a lot of habitat.

59:23Dr Mark ScialdoneI like it. Peppers. Peppers are an easy thing to grow. And if you eat peppers, you got to clean out the seeds. So now you have pepper seeds, right? So they're so easy to grow. And, you know, we just had a meal with peppers. My daughter was so inspired. It's like, Dad, look, there's all the seeds here. I'm like, okay, let's go. All different kinds of peppers you now have seeds for.

59:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo many things we eat have seeds. And it is true. There are so many things we can save seeds from that we eat. And we often throw it away.

1:00:01Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, with tomatoes, you kind of eat the seeds, right? So with some things you eat the seeds, but like, so we tried to actually strain out of some of the tomato pulp, a few of the seeds, and it didn't really work out too well. So we'll just go buy those seeds. But the thing with us is we live close to, and you would love these guys, Josh and Kelly, our local Amish farmer who, you know, we've been buying produce from him for probably about 20 years now.

1:00:37Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, and we've seen his business grow to where he's making packaged goods now and has dairy, which means he needs refrigeration, which when we first went there, they had no electricity at all. They were just Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

1:01:20Dr Mark ScialdoneThey peacefully coexist in, we kind of live in Philadelphia creep suburbia, you know, a suburbia from Philadelphia and Westchester and Baltimore, kind of like, they all kind of creep together. I mean, where we live now, 20, 30 years, well, 20 years ago here, so 40 years ago, this was all farmland. But the Amish basically run all of the local farms in this area. And they're just amazing, man.

1:01:54Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they're out there, they're growing hemp now too, which is really amazing too. But we try to support our local Amish guy because it means the world to him that, you know, my wife is there probably two or three times a week buying our fresh produce. We'll buy our eggs and some of our dairy, not all of our dairy from him. But yeah, man, I mean, it's just, it's regenerative farming.

1:02:20Dr Mark ScialdoneAll of their livestock practice is all organic and open range for like their chickens and their turkeys and stuff like that. They sell goat milk and goat cheese, which is really, again, probably unique to them, but well, maybe not unique to them, but it just, it's so great that they can peacefully coexist and farm. In 2021, by the methods that I think have been farmed that, you know, for generations, go ahead, Sam, I'm sorry.

1:02:56SpeakerNo problem. You know me, I butt into everybody. And I just wanted to say that if you want to save tomato seeds, two points. One, make sure it's not a hybrid because you can't save hybrid tomato seeds. Second, so you use an open pollinated old fashioned type variety. Second thing is you scoop out or squeeze out the seeds and you put them in a glass jar and let them ferment for a few days.

1:03:27SpeakerThen you take them out, wash them in clean water, dry them, and you can use them next year, you know, when it's ready to plant. But without that fermentation product, it doesn't work.

1:03:42Dr Mark ScialdoneWow. Sam, dropping the real knowledge here. There you go. Tell me more, Sam, about the, you can't, if it's a hybrid, because I assume like when I buy tomatoes, like at the grocery store, that those are probably All commercial hybrid tomatoes, right? So is it likely?

1:04:01SpeakerYes. Okay so is it so can you say what you just said before which is that you're not allowed to take those seeds from those no it's not that you can't you're not allowed to it's they won't reproduce like the hybrid because a hybrid an F1 hybrid has two different parents two different lines and you only are reproducing the F1 which is It's not this, an F1 hybrid, when you sell it to itself, it'll produce 25% like the mother, 25% like the father, and 50% somewhere in between the two.

1:04:41SpeakerSo you don't get what you want. Whereas if you use like an heirloom variety of tomato, like brandy wines, Well, that's true breeding. And if you ferment the seeds and save them, they will absolutely work wonderful because I've done it for decades.

1:05:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also the Roma tomato is one that is still somewhat a heritage variety that you can also keep seeds from, which is one of the most common ones in the grocery store that's actually still an old variety.

1:05:16Dr Mark ScialdoneWe've grown Roma tomatoes for a while in this one area, and where the tomatoes have kind of gotten mature at the end of the season, sometimes we just leave them out there. They drop the seeds and they, yeah, just keep growing year after year. And yeah, what a wonderful tomato that is. That's just, you could eat them just raw, just with salt and pepper. I mean, they're just, yeah, you could put them in sauce.

1:05:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI love those tomatoes. I love rums.

1:05:45SpeakerMy wife's favorite is brandy wine. My favorite is Cherokee purple. You can't beat it in my taste.

1:05:54Collin PalmerSam, you mentioned not being able to start the seeds. Is there a reason why are they just not fertile? Or what's the reasoning behind the hybrids not being able to be?

1:06:06SpeakerNo, they will grow. But instead of being the F1 hybrid that the parents were, they will be F2.

1:06:20SpeakerAnd therefore, 25% like the mother, 25% like the father, and 50% in between. And I doubt very many of them will be like the F1 hybrid that you bought in the first place because it was so wonderful. Make sense. Thanks for that. I love what you were saying there about supporting the local Amish people is that you're also supporting your local biome and what everybody is talking about here.

1:06:51SpeakerAnd when you're getting those cheeses and when you're getting those veggies, you're supporting your own healthy microbiome. And I'm going to turn it back over to you. Thank you so much.

1:07:15SpeakerAmy Van Dyken, ADN, Tomatoes are really awesome. They come up all over the garden as volunteers. And when they do that is when a tomato drops off of the plant hole and then it overwinters and it's rotting or fermenting inside of its own serotonin-ness. We've got a couple of questions for you. We've got a couple of questions for you. We've got a couple of questions for you.

1:07:59SpeakerSo that it will have its best germination as well as its most potential growth possibilities. It's absolutely true. I mean, some seeds have to be frozen or they will not grow. I'm not talking cannabis seeds. I'm talking about seeds of everything in the universe and other things. Yeah. Each one has its own. Like you say, if you see how they

1:08:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're growing a California sequoia, a giant sequoia in our yard that was started by our neighbor who's an elder arborist naturalist and he got the seeds while he was down in the sequoias. He brought them back, you know, the pine cones or the Sequoia cones, I'll call them. Brought them back up, put them in his freezer for 11 years. That's what he did because that's how long it took.

1:08:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then he took the seeds out of the freezer and propagated about 20 of them. And he's got them growing on his property. And now we have a giant sequoia that's Probably around 10 feet tall now growing in British Columbia. We also have the Dawn Redwood growing on our property, which is the Redwood from China for so many years, you know, in America and North American and European botanists.

1:09:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much for joining us today.

1:09:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've got a couple more questions. We've got a couple more questions. We've got a couple more questions.

1:10:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut like the larch tree or the tamarack over in this area, those are the two conifers that I can think of at the moment that lose their leaves or their needles in the fall and then grow them back bright green in the springtime. So, yeah, we were able to propagate unique conifer trees on our property.

1:10:26SpeakerSequoia Redwoods, when I was young, my mom took me to Kings Canyon in Sequoia National Parks. In California. And they sold little redwood trees growing about six inches tall. You can buy them for like five bucks from the camp. It was part of the forest office gift house.

1:10:52Etienne FontanYeah, you can still get them. I belong to a couple of local bonsai societies and they have, you know, spring where everyone will bring out their sprouts and they'll do a little exchange as well as you can buy certain trees or some starters. We've got an Oakland bonsai as well because they've got a full on redwood bonsai here, which is part of the National Bonsai's Western Docents, which is actually here in Oakland, California.

1:11:19Etienne FontanSo They have an amazing program. And as well as the first female bonsai master, she went to Japan and studied and she is here. She's such a fucking badass. She's amazing. Little trees.

1:11:36BubblemanGot time. I want to give a shout out to Danny and Alice in Mallorca, these incredible people that hosted us some years ago. A couple of friends of mine, Los Gardens was with me and Neil. Who was, yeah, just a long time good friend of mine who grew all that. Where is my bike that I used to press? And he's the grower behind that. And I went and visited his grow a few times and did some things on him as well.

1:12:05BubblemanBut we went there and they were the most gracious hosts. They had a little shop there. And he was growing spectacular herb that he was selling at his shop. And he really sort of showed us around the island of Mallorca, gave us the history of it. And we rented motorcycles and cruised all around these epic areas in Mallorca. And they just had a second child. So just after we had left, they had had their first child and now they just had their second.

1:12:39BubblemanSo he says, yes, we have Sky who is now two and Austin. So I just wanted to shout them out. They're just such awesome people growing beautiful fruit in Mallorca with beautiful property. If you've never been to Mallorca, I would check it out. It's a very unique island. It's a it's a So it's a destination for cyclists and motorcyclists because one of the areas that we went on had this incredible road that you just, I mean, the closest thing I ever saw to it was in Switzerland and Switzerland certainly isn't like a tropical island.

1:13:14BubblemanSo yeah, it's just, you know, across the water from Barcelona in between Africa and Spain. And it's definitely a cool spot and a worthwhile spot to go check out. I don't know if you guys still have your shop over there, Danny, but if you do and you want to say the name, I'll gladly shout that out as well, because if you do go to Mallorca, I would suggest supporting Danny and Alice in all of their business.

1:13:45SpeakerYes. Shout out to the Balearic Islands. Beautiful thing. Yes.

1:13:51BubblemanSuper beautiful. I feel blessed to have gotten to go. Sa Calobra, right. That was the motorcycle ride. If you guys want to Google Sa Calobra, C-A-L-R-O-B-A, that is the road that you can see on Mallorca that of course we had to ride motorcycles and rip. Oh, John was there also. That's right. John was also on that trip. Neil and John, as well as Lois Gardens and myself.

1:14:22BubblemanSo much fun. All right.

1:14:26Etienne FontanSo I want to kind of bounce back to a second for the redwood there that was found in China. Do you think that goes back to Gondwanaland when it was all one land mass and one of those things that was left in a pocket per se? Because I always kind of wondered if cannabis You know, it was kind of spread around, you know, via Gondwana land, per se, because it was never originally found in North America.

1:14:51Etienne FontanIt was seemed to have been found later on here, but in other parts of the world. So it's always been kind of fascinated about the one landmass that is kind of always spread out in the flora and fauna that have survived in region.

1:15:05SpeakerIn California, we also have the coastal redwoods.

1:15:11Etienne FontanOf which you used to harvest in, right?

1:15:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe coastal redwoods are the Sequoia Sempervirans and the Sierra Nevadas are the Sequoia Giganticum, I believe. And I think that's a really interesting hypothesis, ATN, and I totally agree with that. I mean, when we're talking about plants and trees, we're talking about, you know, millions of years of Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:16:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineCEDS, VAS, you know, long distances, especially if they catch a headwind or something, they find themselves a thousand miles away in a few days. You know, I think seeds can travel like that. But I like that hypothesis of the continuum from the landmass, you know, with seeds.

1:16:22Etienne FontanKind of curiosity.

1:16:26Dr Mark ScialdoneLast week on our psychedelic renaissance course that it's a six week course and it was the fifth week. The speaker was a guy named Mark Plotkin. I'd never heard of Mark before, but he is a student of Richard Schultes, who certainly is much more well-known. Richard Schultes was the Harvard ethno A biologist who went down to the South America and Mexico and discovered all these psychedelic use of psychedelic plants, including ayahuasca ceremony.

1:17:08Dr Mark ScialdoneI think if it wouldn't have been for Schulte's work, I don't think it would be as popular today as it truly is. So Schulte was certainly a pioneer. And Mark Plotkin's got a podcast called Plants of the Gods. Which I think is after Richard Schulte's books that he wrote with Albert Hoffman. And his podcast is extremely informative. And the one thing, the reason why I brought it up during this discussion is because it talks about, you know, ceremony and ayahuasca ceremony and how it's, it's connected to the culture.

1:17:45Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd it's something that you can't just necessarily Steve Sorenson, MD, Re-produce in Berkeley, California in a clinic. You know, it just doesn't, you can't do it by Zoom. You know, it just, it just doesn't, just doesn't translate very well, right? And as much of, and if all this work that Schultes did in that, like now Plotkin is now documented, just shows like how important it is to conserve this biodiversity that exists Down in what's left of the Amazon rainforest and elsewhere, all other native areas that humans haven't deforested or completely somehow changed the natural biology of what's going on.

1:18:36Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause I'm convinced there's a whole treasure trove of chemistry and molecules down there in plant species we don't know yet because it's funny, There's certainly a, definitely an awareness from the indigenous cultures. In fact, there's still cultures today that exist today that have had no outside contact with the Western world. And, and to me, I was to hear that, to know that there are still cultures today that have not had contact with, with the Western world to me, at least was, was fascinating to hear, but, um, John MacDonald, The other thing is that just the areas that they're, they're living on, you know, are increasingly getting smaller and smaller, but thank God to these conservation efforts, people like Mark Plotkin, and he's involved in that whole Amazon Conservation Society, which is You know, again, a huge thing that's just trying to keep as much of the biodiversity that we possibly can and learn it in a way that doesn't totally exploit it commercially, but in a way where, again, we can understand.

1:19:47Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, there's all kinds of clinical work going on around DMT, again, partially because it's one of the active ingredients in ayahuasca. That coupled with the monoamine oxidase inhibitor, harmaline, So there's something that's happening there that monomolecular medicine that we've talked about here on Hash Church doesn't quite get. So there's things and there's clues that these indigenous cultures All of these people have, and these shaman know, and they know, and really disease is a manifestation of some off balance between society and the environment.

1:20:26Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they've figured it out. And how ironic that here we are in the, what, the 21st century, we're looking to them for answers to solve our problems. We're going to the shaman and we need these places to basically still exist. And I was in a clubhouse room the other day again where they were talking about clinical use of ayahuasca to treat, you know, behavioral disorders. And it's just amazing that we're at that point.

1:21:02Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I don't think that that's a true, you know, manifestation of like where the Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler,

1:21:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, it's, it's interesting how, you know, it's, it's partly the shamanism has been sort of marketed a little bit, you know, so that's, that maybe that's just a human thing, but it reminds me of Terrence McKenna and Dennis McKenna and Wade Davies and Ethan Russo, different people that have gone, you know, made their life out of going to South America and trying to find plant medicine and see how it can pertain to ours, also psychedelic plant medicine.

1:22:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt reminds me of Papua New Guinea and the diversity on Papua New Guinea and all the tribes that live there. And I think these tribes have allied with diversity and they've allied with nature and they do have the key into the unknown. And we know by searching tombs and using science to Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:22:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm nature magic still. I like that we're in a modern world. We can use science in a way that we choose. And I like that there's still nature magic out there that reminds us that, you know, Nature is producing these healing compounds, whether science proves it or not. So in some cases, our intuition can lead us towards health. And this is why I feel we've dedicated our life towards nature and natural healing and stuff.

1:23:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I appreciate you saying that. And we were recently given some ayahuasca bark to take with mushrooms. A little bite of ayahuasca bark with psilocybin really changes The psychedelic experience of it. And, you know, I like that these medicines are coming into our modern world.

1:23:38Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, he was telling the story about, I forget the species of toad, but the toad that they lick, right? And he was showing a picture of that toad to another tribe that was thousands of miles away and completely isolated from them. And his contact there was like, oh, we got a toad like that. And he goes, no, no, no, no. This toad is from on the other side over near Peru by the coast.

1:24:08Dr Mark ScialdoneThis isn't this. He goes, no, no, no, no. We got a toad like that. And certainly, sure enough, this guy showed them a toad that also produced the same kind of psychedelic effect. So they identified like a new species of toad down there that they could lick. So crazy, man. It's like, what else is out there? I mean, there's gotta be, I mean, and again, I think that if those cultures go away, if somehow the Western civilization pollutes it just down there such that there's no more indigenous culture, all that knowledge will go away.

1:24:50Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that is fundamental knowledge that has been passed down For generations and generations and generations on how to live in a multi, you know, using all of these plants and fungi. And if there's something wrong with you, you go to the medicine man and he can make it better, whether it's a cut with an infection or whether you got the fever or whether you got malaria. I mean, they have all the cures for everything to live down there.

1:25:20Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's amazing to me.

1:25:25Dr Mark ScialdoneSo Paul Stamets is the speaker tomorrow. It's the last class. That'll be good. Yeah, so it's the finale. They bring Paul in at the very end.

1:25:34BubblemanThat full circle is our conversation because someone mentioned this in chat. I believe it was Fried Piper when we were talking about the botany of desire who said, Paul Stamets said that mushrooms are probably cultivating us. I wanted to add that to the conversation.

1:25:52Dr Mark ScialdoneThey sure are, man. They sure are.

1:25:54SpeakerWell, that's not actually very far off at all because we're made up of trillions of microbiology. I mean, trillions.

1:26:06Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicine380 trillion.

1:26:08SpeakerOh, wait, more. 380 trillion that could possibly be pathogenic and the rest is sort of infinite. So if we're made up of all of that, then these are all thinking, living beings. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:26:50SpeakerEvery single thing that feeds us, every single thing that we like type on, the fact that we're looking through this computer, everything, everything, everything came from the earth. And I just think that that's interesting. If we like take that mindscape and we and I just know that when we're gone, the microbiology is going to proliferate and totally take care of that because the earth is what made it, of course, totally out of balance with humanity.

1:27:22SpeakerBut still, it's just a really interesting conversation that You know, when you take plant medicine seems to come up in the, you know, cerebral cortex of, you know, a discussion to set the mind to. So I just think that it's really interesting when we talk about closed loops and when we talk about the earth and we talk about how we're all intermixed and involved and how science is related on such a small microcosm, you know, point that we have to express and something we have to, You know, explain, but it is just, it's such a wide observational experience that's getting us there.

1:28:03SpeakerSo I think that it's important that we don't just doubt or let go of that intuitive observational experience that we're having to help guide us to, you know, a much better place than we're in right now, because we have that ability and the plant medicines continue to show us that. Sorry for the rant, but it's big out there.

1:28:29Dr Mark ScialdoneEverything is going to degrade except for fluoropolymers. We don't know what happens to them. They seem to last forever. So fluoropolymers might be, yeah, so Teflon, right? Dental floss. Yeah, so, you know, billions and years from now, the only thing that will exist from us is the Fukushima radiation, And Dental Floss.

1:28:57BubblemanThose will be our footprints.

1:28:58Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's right. The Fukushima Dental Floss era.

1:29:06BubblemanI can only imagine how many times we've gone through this cycle and don't even have any idea.

1:29:11Etienne FontanWouldn't that be an error, not an era?

1:29:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineError. We learned from Paul's statements that there was, I took this course on Cortez, that it was, there's been five mass extinctions. Obviously he didn't make this up, but he was teaching it to us. There had been five mass extinctions on earth where it damn near wiped out all of life on earth. And the last one I think was called the PT extinction. And what he was suggesting was that life on earth came back from, you know, the BC coast area and repopulated the earth.

1:29:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, you know, maybe there's some more there, but I like that, you know, Even during mass extinctions, the earth repopulates itself.

1:29:52SpeakerAnd the Hopi, the Hopi have the same prophecy that they say that this humanity is on its fifth stage of humanity and they believe that we came out of the rocks. So if there was some kind of a big cataclysmic event of heat or something that made it so the earth was inhabitable, it makes sense that we would come out of the rocks, you know, the ones that did survive.

1:30:16SpeakerSo...

1:30:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's a super interesting, the Prophecy Rock. People can look up the Prophecy Rock down at Four Corners in the Southwest. And it talks about where humanity goes in two different directions. And it might be interesting that we're in an area like that right now, where there's just two types of things going on. And I like the idea that we're connecting with indigenous cultures. Mark, I'll let you say something again, because I think that we can all Take on getting local plants, you know, and native plants back onto our property and bringing in more native plants into our polyculture is really important.

1:30:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd working on connecting with First Nations and native cultures, even in North America, where we are at the moment, you know, cultures native all over the world are very important. We've been recently contacted by GW Smoke Break and the family there to work with the Lakota. Um, you know, and, and, uh, South Dakota and, you know, and, and if that, if that works out, you know, it'd be amazing to be able to collaborate with native peoples to bring, you know, to help enhance their, you know, what they have to offer us because in so many cases, Thank you for joining us.

1:31:53SpeakerThat's the funny thing we you know if we think about that like we're interacting on certain levels and in certain time periods but the earth has always been interacting with humanity or with the planet or I mean with the the plants and the animals that are on it so there's there's some kind of a resonant uh everlasting higher intelligence It's there for the taking. That's like the all knowing and it's totally there for the taking.

1:32:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll we have to do is allow it in. And on that note, I believe we have to take off and get our seeds planted. We want to give so much thanks for the people out there in the community doing amazing things. Also, we had a beautiful tour here in British Columbia, and I think we should give thanks to a few people. Kootenay's Finest just became a micro license here in the Kootenays, so big love to them.

1:32:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou can, I really hope success for the families here in the Kootenays.

1:32:51SpeakerAnd really showing all of the work that the community is doing here, too. You know, step into the system to try to make changes here to make it so that the legacy market still has a place and still has a voice in the industry. So big ups to those guys who are doing really amazing work. It takes so much time, energy and money to finally achieve a license.

1:33:16SpeakerYeah. And Kootenay's Finest. And thanks to them. Thanks to Living Soil.

1:33:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThanks to Chay at Rosebud. You can look at Rosebud.

1:33:23SpeakerAnother outdoor LP. We went out to his property. Another Coots Vibes. Doing really good things for the community. What were his cultivars?

1:33:34BubblemanBecause I've been talking to him lately. Was that like Sarah's Secret and stuff? Sarah's Secret. Wait, where is... We have some rosin from here. I have some bubble.

1:33:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, well, this is just what I have in some parchment here. And the Sarah's Finest is looking really, really good. Sarah's Secret. Or Sarah's Secret, which is very fine, is grown outdoors here in British Columbia, here in the Kootenays. And it's a really beautiful outdoor varietal that hashes really well. And you can look forward to seeing some good Topicals and different things coming from that farm and the collective of co-op here in the Kootenays.

1:34:11BubblemanYeah, we've been definitely talking. I've been talking to Chay. I've been talking to Logan at Dunn. I've been talking to just a few different local, even Patrick, his new LP. I've been talking to those guys as well. I, of course, want to support all the local craft growers that are I basically want to support all the growers that are getting to that level, that are at a point where it's like, yes, this is what everyone needs.

1:34:42BubblemanSo let's make it accessible. So yeah, I'm really glad you shouted those spots out and continue on.

1:34:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Suzanne with White Grizzly over in the slow can, amazing woman. All of the ladies in the slow can, totally in love with everything they've done.

1:34:58SpeakerYeah, still carrying the vibes here in the coots, still making it happen. And also we're going out to plant seeds because our big goal in, you know, and has been for a whole lot of years just to be planting fire, unbelievable genetics that Thank you so much for joining us.

1:35:34SpeakerYou're having a beautiful relationship with your own medicine, and that's really important, as well as you're getting out in your own backyard. So, you know, everybody in Canada, you can plant your four. Let's get on it. Let's get out there. Let's plant your four. And you can watch so many hash churches on what to do with that four and how to turn it into amazing medicine. That's what all these incredible educators are here on this panel today.

1:36:02SpeakerLet's really exercise that right of plant medicine.

1:36:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd just a couple more. Daniel and Brishna with Earth Wolf Farms over in Lillooet. Big love and support to you all.

1:36:12SpeakerJust putting out some hash.

1:36:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBig love and support to Earth Wolf Farms. Just wanted to give love to Flav421 over on Sunshine, Joel, the whole family over there.

1:36:23SpeakerAnd hey, I wanted to give a shout out to Cannonerd too for bringing us this amazing, we've been hanging out with him. A Sunshine Daydream, like a really old cut. Or Eternal Sunshine? No, Sunshine Daydream from Bodie. Just a really long bloom.

1:36:36Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicine14 weeks flower.

1:36:38SpeakerAnd just, I mean, like it's all that I want to have right now. So big ups to the really long flowering patient growers.

1:36:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Subsidium Secreto. You know, Subsidium out from Ontario came and helped us. And I just wanted to give love. They really gave us a lot of help with our... You know, Hash Life and everything. So just huge love to the community. And everybody in the beautiful community.

1:36:59SpeakerLike, wow, you guys are amazing and so intelligent. Everybody in the chat is just coming up with great things. And I can totally understand why it has ebbs and flows. Right now we're in a world of ebbs and flows. And I think it's a-okay to all be ourselves. And just, you know, it's nice that everybody gets here and is together and just... Thanks so much everybody for still hanging on to the cannabis community because we do have a culture and I just appreciate you all more than words can say.

1:37:32SpeakerReally, I'm going to be thinking about all of the cannabis culture as I'm planting seeds today. Thank you so much for all the inspiration and the love and the guidance And education and expertise and pushing it forward and the collaboration is really hard to push it forward. I appreciate you all so, so much. Thank you.

1:37:55BubblemanThanks for coming, guys. We appreciate you as well and have a great day in the garden, getting those seeds into the soil.

1:38:04Etienne FontanSpeaking of the culture, we're actually defining that because as you know, I'm working with the Veterans Action Council and one of our members, Michael Krauts, has been working at the United Nations and we're actually working on submitting questions and our green paper to the United Nations. We'll be submitting that this week. But one of the things that we have found is that United Nations accepts cultures and especially specific cultures.

1:38:31Etienne FontanSo across all treaties. So we're trying to define the cannabis culture because as we know, it's been defined and we're trying to find it from more of a world perspective as opposed to a U.S. perspective, even though the U.S. has had its influence on the culture. The culture of cannabis is worldwide, and as we know, crosses every socioeconomic region. So it's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

1:38:59Etienne FontanBut yes, we're going to be relying on the culture at the UN level because the persecution of cannabis has done nothing but help us perpetuate our own growing, growing cycle, our processing, processing styles. How we ingest, how we use, pass it to the left, you know, all these different situations, you know, you come together, cannabis seems to be rather communal, you know, we come together in circles, how it's produced, etc.

1:39:29Etienne FontanSo it's going to be very interesting to see as we challenge things culturally, because, you know, there is a cannabis culture, it's, it's, It's definable. It's actually malleable in shapes from regional names, from genetics to even what cannabis is that have crossed, I mean, how many different generations? If I say to Wade and a skunk man, I say a lid, they understand it, but my generation doesn't know what a lid is per se or why the term lid came from.

1:40:05Etienne FontanYou know, cannabis in the first place. So it's just also fascinating how through the ages, from going back to the term muggles, as opposed to other different terminologies that have been cultural subsets that have crossed I mean, look, even as a culture, we all kind of gravitated and met where in Amsterdam, because there's a huge culture of cannabis there that was happening that they were, you know, growing, judging, et cetera, et cetera.

1:40:37Etienne FontanAnd those things that have continued to spread out. I mean, Cannabis Cup wasn't the first one to ever judge cannabis. But it was a cultural recognition spread out through a magazine, et cetera, that drew us to a destination where we all met and continued to perpetuate this. So it also goes back to the discussion, you know, did we perpetuate cannabis or did cannabis perpetuate us to proliferate her as well?

1:41:07Etienne FontanSo just some interesting cultural distinctions and understandings that we're going to be So we're pushing to try to liberate things worldwide further. Good stuff.

1:41:20BubblemanYeah, trippy thoughts for sure. Always in that cycle. Are we perpetuating it or is it perpetuating us? Probably a nice balance of the two, no doubt. And obviously that would depend on your perspective. Which seems to depend on your attitude. All these filters that we put in the way to perceive, I guess that's what this experience is. It's all these filters and this five cents prison that we seem to be.

1:41:46Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, and back in the day, we used to say, who are the Grateful Dead and why are they following me? Right.

1:41:58BubblemanAnd the answer was? Drugs.

1:42:02Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know. Where's the next show?

1:42:05BubblemanI like your chance to answer better.

1:42:09Etienne FontanDrugs. That's why we couldn't get good drugs where we I mean, you could get drugs, but you can get good drugs or the drugs. Dude, you wouldn't believe the mushrooms you find on Dead Tour. You wouldn't believe the LSD they've got on Dead Tour. And, you know, it just drives drove people. They're just, you know. So sociologically, because of, you know, bad access, you know, if you're new into the drug scene, you know, you're the old people in town don't know who the fuck you are, and aren't going to deal or deal with you per se.

1:42:41Etienne FontanThose are things that are earned again, culturally, how we even access or allow access to certain You know, levels of cannabis. Early on, we had access to shitty Mexican. It wasn't until we earned respect that we, oh, this is kind, but oh, oh, now this is the sellers of kind. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

1:43:01BubblemanShakedown Street, man. I mean, imagine how many kids were like, well, where, where are we going to get the mushrooms? Oh, we'll get them on Shakedown Street. Shakedown Street? Tell me more.

1:43:13Etienne FontanI mean, literally, one of my first memories on Shakedown Street is this dreadlock hippie walking up holding this amanita that was literally this big, this huge, just mushrooms, mushrooms, mushrooms.

1:43:28Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's just like, oh, I think I found the spot.

1:43:34Etienne FontanYeah, I loved it. I didn't dig the music, but I appreciated the culture. I mean, there was always some bus at the end with somebody with a huge chalkboard with somebody who was calling out from the show like, okay, they just played this. And then they would mark down on the actual chalkboard what song had just played inside the show. So people could be like, oh, outside in Shakedown Street, like, Oh, wow, they're playing this.

1:43:59Etienne FontanThis is so awesome. And then literally go around and then play the song that was on from some other show that was recorded. Probably the night before. It's really fucking trippy. I mean, I've never seen this.

1:44:11Dr Mark ScialdoneSo this was during the show you were outside the venue in the Shakedown Street area while the live Grateful Dead show was going on. Yep. In like Oakland, the Oakland Coliseum and stuff like that.

1:44:25Etienne FontanOh, yeah, many times.

1:44:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

1:44:27Etienne FontanWell, it's very common. Yeah, I just didn't dig the music. I mean, I dug the scene. I like the people, but you know, it just didn't carry it for me. I was like, I grew up in jazz in New Orleans, so I appreciated the free flowingness of it. It just wasn't my thing. But the scene and the people that were there, I mean, that was the only place I could literally be walking around, tripping, see a guy pop open a huge Tupperware jar, just I'm brimming with the fattest fucking weed I've ever seen.

1:45:00Etienne FontanThey're like, hey, brother, can you spare a bud? And, you know, he'd be like, sure, dude. And then just fucking chucked a bud right fucking at me. I'm like, thanks, bud. And Viking went over to a tree at the end of Shakedown Street, sat under the tree, you know, in the shade and just kind of smoked a bud to try to come down.

1:45:18Johnny BOh, yeah.

1:45:20Etienne FontanNo other place could I have done something like that and be a fucking punk with my jacket and, you know, my tattoos and shit like that. Hell no. But the Grateful Dead accepted us all. It was kind of weird. Loved it.

1:45:36Dr Mark ScialdoneDeadheads are pretty friendly. Pretty open to anything, you know. If you didn't cause any problems, you know, I mean, occasionally they'd get skinheads in there and they'd have to, you know, I have to have have issues but for the most part yeah it was a free-for-all party for those of you don't know what we're talking about is before after well during and after Grateful Dead concerts they would just have this traveling circus of many thousand people that would just come around and make a living off of selling food and alcohol and All right, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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1:47:07Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then, you know, all the high school kids in the area would catch, oh, we could go to the Grateful Dead show, stock up on all kinds of drugs. They buy acid and buy, you know, all kinds of drugs. And then there would be all kinds of problems for months after the Grateful Dead have left town because there's this whole wake of, you know, You know, it was fun.

1:47:33Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was back in the day. It was so much fucking fun, man.

1:47:36SpeakerIt was a wake of freedom. Yeah. Yeah.

1:47:41Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it was it was a real life adventure. And, you know, way before it got really big, like I started seeing him in the late 70s and like they were still on like Saturday Night Live. I was there the night that John Belushi came out on stage and sang with him for a song. Before that was in 1980. And you know, it was just back then in the early 80s.

1:48:06Dr Mark ScialdoneIt wasn't a big thing. Like people didn't really know about them. And like, You'd go to an arena and you'd be able, like ATN was saying, you'd be able to smoke weed in an arena normally where if you were at a rock concert, they'd bust your ass for smoking weed. It was just a different set of rules for when the Grateful Dead came to town, Bill Graham and the other promoters would say, hey man, this group, if you just let them smoke their weed, They're just going to, you know, they're not going to bust chairs or not.

1:48:39Dr Mark ScialdoneThey just want to watch the music and come and go. And again, I remember being at Allman Brothers shows and at Neil Young shows and other shows where I had like a little one hitter and some guy was giving me the flashlight all night, you know, and you could be at a Grateful Dead show and just be smoking just all over the place. Great, man.

1:49:00BubblemanThat's that's the beauty of Vancouver, because all shows in Vancouver are a Grateful Dead show in regards to smoking cannabis. I'll never forget the last time I was smoking joints, which was a fair while ago, I saw Neil Young play a solo show at the Queen Elizabeth Theater and I rolled like 20 huge fat joints and I wrote the names of my favorite 20 Neil Young songs on those joints.

1:49:27BubblemanAnd I was sitting in like the sixth row on the floor, right? Like in the Queen Elizabeth Theater in Vancouver, which is a pretty awesome venue. And I smoked one of those joints each time he did another song. And I think I ended up smoking like 14 of the 20. How cool. Yeah, it was awesome. I started. By the time the song was over, the joint was still going, so I'd have to pass that one down.

1:49:54Dr Mark ScialdoneWas it just him solo, Marcus, or did he have a band with him?

1:49:57BubblemanSolo with about six to eight acoustic guitars, a stand-up piano, a banjo, and I feel like I'm forgetting. Oh, a Baby Grant.

1:50:11BubblemanDefinitely a couple of shows worth checking out. It was two nights at the Queen Elizabeth Theater and I want to say it was like 96 or 97 maybe. I saw the Allman Brothers the same year at the same venue and it was also a unbelievable, wonderful experience of just mass, mass puffing in a super beautiful old school venue where everything's like sort of inspirational. You know, all the chairs are like red velour.

1:50:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, it's not, it's not, it's not a caricature, but I used to smell that herb at the Grateful Dead show and say, that's herb, not this Mexican brown shit. Or I remember getting Acapulco back in the day and it definitely had a definitely a different flavor to it. But like many deadhead kids who are out on tour, we started smoking NorCal grown weed out on Grateful Dead tour, and there was no going back.

1:51:14Dr Mark ScialdoneThey're like, oh my God, this is just a higher grade of cannabis. And the first time I smoked blonde hash was at our Grateful Dead tour. We used to always get like the red Lebanese or the dark stuff. I remember getting stuff where you could still see the stamp or the imprint of the hash, like the Turkish hash, you know, in the New York metropolitan area. But the first time I had smoked blonde hash was, yeah, out on Grateful Dead tour.

1:51:42BubblemanAnd this quarantine's got us missing concerts, no doubt. I'm going to cut it short today. We have eight more minutes. I just wanted to let everyone know that. My son's down at the field playing soccer and he's wanting Dada to come down and kick the ball around. And what could you imagine being better than after a couple of hours of hanging out with you guys and Thank you so much for joining us.

1:52:28Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's it's it's the reason why you're a parent. And it's just it's the best treasure that you have for all the headaches and all the sweating. And you're worried about, again, bringing someone into the world. I think being a parent is the best thing you could do in this life. And yeah, my kid just turned 24 years old, man. And to see him out in he's in the industry, Marcus, and he's out making hash and making a good name for himself.

1:52:57Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd he got himself a modulus base. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, to those of you who are parents, I guess it's something that, again, that you can't relate to. But yeah, that unconditional love that you get from your children.

1:53:12SpeakerWell, here's a good reason they might want you to, Mark. Because if it's not us good parents having children, who will have the children of the future? God protect us.

1:53:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I always tell my kids, when you set foot out our front door, you're going to interact with kids who are parented a lot less than you. So keep that in consideration.

1:53:41BubblemanBe aware, for sure.

1:53:43Dr Mark ScialdoneThanks, Marcus. Thanks for, again, having an episode today.

1:53:46BubblemanNext month. So that's my eldest. So I turn 48 at the end of the month, and she turns 20, and then my son turns 18. And then my other son turns seven, all like in the next five and a half to six months.

1:54:02Dr Mark ScialdoneShould be fun. All blessings.

1:54:03BubblemanBirthday parties. Yeah, anyway, thank you guys all for coming out and sharing your time. As always, I appreciate it. I'm going to go kick the ball around, but I hope to see you all next week where we can continue the conversation.

1:54:17SpeakerThanks, everybody.

1:54:18Dr Mark ScialdonePeace, man. Thank you. Take care, everybody. Bye, everyone.

1:54:23BubblemanEnjoy your Sunday.