Cannabis Farmers Share Their Challenges and Successes

0:13SpeakerAll right, here we go. Welcome, welcome, everybody. So we have just started the stream. I'm going to go over to the old stream and let them know that we are now live. That should do it. And now let's let the people in from the waiting room.

0:36SpeakerThanks, everyone, for joining us to Best Church 4.0, Episode 3.

0:42SpeakerPretty darn excited about it, actually. Gotta give a shout out to Josh and Kelly for reaching out to me the other day and saying, let's do a hash church. We've got all these incredible people that want to share their information. I want to thank everyone for being very patient and sitting in the room for the last 10 minutes. Alexandra, Rio, Lala Gardens, Dragonfly Earth Medicine, Duke Diamond in the house.

1:05SpeakerThank you all for your patience. It's been a while since I ran... Got my little buddy, the Lorax here taking care of business with me. So all is good and welcome all you beautiful smiling faces. We are live on YouTube.

1:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGood morning, family.

1:23SpeakerGood morning, family. It's so awesome to see everybody. Duke, beautiful, beautiful to see you.

1:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineEspecially nice to see you, Duke, because it's been so long.

1:32SpeakerYeah, top of the morning to y'all, and it's really good seeing your smiling faces too. Y'all always are so happy and just awesome. You too, Mr. Bubble Man. Ain't seen you in a hot minute as well. You haven't aged a day. It's been too long. Well, I'm growing my gray beard, so it makes me feel more distinguished. Yeah, wise. You get the wise look, like you could do some wizard stuff or something, man.

2:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Alexandra, how are you this morning? I love your beautiful background. Yeah. Yay. Can you tell us about that design?

2:12SpeakerThe earth right behind me, yeah. It's a cross program that is connected directly to the creative and healing energy of the earth. So I thought it's appropriate.

2:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBeautiful. I love it.

2:26SpeakerAnd Rio, it's nice to see you in your greenhouse right now. How's the weather there and how's it going? I know you've already been starting planting. It's nice to see you. Yes. We're up here at the farm today. We got our Wi-Fi set up and Katie's here with me. Awesome. Yeah, it's lovely. The weather's been beautiful, but it was like there was a 50 degree swing two days ago.

2:53SpeakerIt was 35 at night and then 85 in the daytime. So weather's definitely less predictable and more extreme than ever.

3:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, it was minus 10 Celsius here last night, which is like nearly 20 degrees. So I kind of caught us off guard. Definitely. Oh, shit. I thought it was a cancer moon yesterday. We were supposed to plan, which I think is still cool. But yeah, it's cold. More people are showing up. Tina, Lala Gardens, how are you today?

3:28Speakerdoing just wonderful it's a it's a war it's it's going to be a windy cold day compared to yesterday's 70 degrees so yeah these swings are Everywhere. It would be really nice for everybody to say where about they're from because we're all a Dempere panel. All of us are farmers from all over the place. So Rio, you're in California. And then Lala.

3:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the beautiful southern Humboldt. You can also tell us the Appalachia or the bioregion of the state that you live in without telling exactly where you live.

4:00SpeakerGo ahead, Rio. Hi, we're in Benbow, Southern Humboldt, California, Northern California. This is my co-conspirator and girlfriend and plant. Hey, Katie. Expert Katie. And we've been, I've been here off and on since I was seven, but 10 years on this farm and we're kind of, we're like at 1800 feet. So it's a really beautiful appellation for sativas, which this is Highland Oaxacan gold that Katie was going to showcase.

4:44SpeakerWe love our You know, unique and fun strains to grow up here. So yeah, it's a beautiful paradise.

4:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe had some fun with your African orange. I believe, I believe that was yours. Maybe it was, it was, it was Joey's, but you crossed it with us. But we also had some Shashamani. We had, I feel, we had some Africans, Shashamani and one other one from you, I believe, and I forget. It was awesome.

5:13SpeakerThe African lady. Yeah, that's, that is a shashimani with cherry pie. Yeah, that's right. And Durban poison, right? Is that correct, Griot? Durban poison as well? Oh, there was another one with shashimani and there's Durban poison. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This Highland Oaxacan Gold is our favorite this year, though. This is fun. Love to smoke that.

5:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe have some seeds from Oaxaca or from Columbia from the 60s that are so we haven't tried popping and being cool for us and those like terminated and ground, especially in one of your areas. We can talk about that later, but yeah, for sure.

6:05SpeakerSo Lala, where are you in Colorado? What area are you? You're Appalachia.

6:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineShe's maybe frozen or where she might be frozen.

6:12SpeakerMy back. Yep, you're back. We can hear you. Yeah, Colorado, but basically a Kashlapooter River. That's the river that feeds this entire area. And are you guys starting to have some bulbs and stuff come up? Are there any trees starting to bloom yet? Are you still getting some snow? Yeah, the Aspen's just coming out a little bit and the leaf tips are starting to show. But yeah, things are a little slower this spring than they were last year.

6:41SpeakerWe had a later winter and then even though we've had fluctuations, it's been a slow spring. So I don't feel too behind. Fantastic. Alexandra, where are you at? What's your Appalachia? What's going on in your gardens? I am in Vancouver Island or on Vancouver Island and yeah my bulbs are all up but we also have a really late spring and wet very very wet whatever comes out it's happy to come out and then it gets like uh smashy moldy but um yeah so we also have a really cold winter a little bit frost here and there which is absolutely uh not acceptable but we take it yeah it's like last year actually we had a really cold uh spring as well and really really cold window for our region and um I'm going to the garden and see what has died or not coming back.

7:44SpeakerSo that's for me, that's the first thing I'm going around and see all my babies who comes back, welcome them. And they're not, it really hurts in the heart, but what can you do? It makes room for something new. I mean, then it goes out and it gets replaced with something else. It's like, okay, you didn't do well anyway, out of the pool. No, we're starting to get more and more green here, but so wet, so much water, so much water.

8:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's a blessing when you're from California because it's a terrible drought over there and stuff.

8:24SpeakerWell, I think in quantity, right? One of the good stuff can always be bad. Exactly. And Duke, where are you from and what's going on in your gardens? And I know that you're planting some indoor stuff as well as some outdoor. I'd love to hear what's going on. Oh man, so I'm back in Colorado, down southern part of the state, like San Luis Valley area. Weather's pretty cool.

8:53SpeakerIt's like been warming up and everything. So lots of sunshine and warmth. I like that. And then, uh, yeah, getting cranking on the, setting up the indoor, literally, you know, starting from scratch. So we got, uh, got the lights going up and everything, got the veg already kind of kicking, clients coming back in, you know, little by little. And, uh, man, it was really, really happy and, uh, appreciate y'all so much.

9:20SpeakerCause, uh, you know what them babies going to be eating on.

9:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDefinitely some dragonfly with medicine. That's right. What are some of the strains that you're going to be really excited to get back into? Because everyone's so stoked about Dominion seeds and Duke Diamond seeds and the skunks and all the stuff that you've created over the years. Huge ups to you for keeping it real for the family and the team. Just curious to hear what some of your thoughts are on the new varietals.

9:49SpeakerWell, some of the new varieties, you know how I am. I keep it like Real hush until, you know, it's that time. There's a lot of, you know, I'm in church and I want to curse. So, you know, there's a lot of scamming people out there, you know, so they're looking to rip you off. So, but, you know me, I'll do a little something old with another something old, old something, maybe a little old with something new.

10:15SpeakerMaybe something altogether new. But, yeah, some skunk work, some fruit work, and, you know, try to keep it potent and stinky.

10:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, that's what's up. And I'll just I'll just shout you out one more time when we were at the Emerald Cup and you had your boots and the inside there, you had definitely some of the most like ridiculous smelling weed at the show. So it was amazing, you know, smelling it. Everyone has good ganja. So it's not about that. Some of the stuff he had was insane.

10:46SpeakerBut it is true to know that when you're at the Emerald Cup and then there's one person's pocket that stands out among everybody else's, it really was Duke. So I got to say he was the one I could smell out of everybody at the Emerald Cup. So Duke, we've been running your varietals now ever since then. And we've been doing some crosses and some really great stuff with your stuff.

11:09SpeakerSo we cannot wait to get it back to you. We're really excited. Oh, yeah. Y'all are first on the list. Get some of this new stuff out. I can't wait to see y'all try it, you know, and a lot of other people too. They were like, like, how do you grow this stuff? I'm like, man, organic soil, dragonfly inputs. I remember when y'all come out, you're like, you grew this with our dragonfly too?

11:30SpeakerI was like, oh yeah, that's all they eat.

11:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you have some special fermentation concoctions that we know about over the years too, so pretty cool.

11:39SpeakerAnd it's definitely a love for the plant and an energy. So any of y'all out there who know this man, he's just one of the kindest souls and totally dedicated to the plant. As so many of us are here, that's why we're growing the fire. And I definitely could say that about Rio. Rio, when I came out to your farm, everybody, but I'm thinking about that Shaw Shimani when we came out to your farm and we did that late night, you guys were trimming and all of the smells of those incredible long flowering sativas are just like, I remember that night.

12:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWeeds still growing in January. I mean, that never happens in up here. So, you know, that's amazing. Bubble Man, what's happening on your land? I know you grew a lot of flowers and stuff last year. We got to get you some flowers. We were lame last year. But anyway, what's happening for you this year?

12:30SpeakerWell, we just had 75 centimeters of snow fall on Whistler Mountain about four or five days ago. So am I frozen? No, we hear you. 75 centimeters. Okay, good. Yeah. 75 centimeters fell. Yeah. So like I'm in the same boat. There's lots of water coming down the mountain right now. It's pretty intense. All my bulbs are up for sure. We have an acre here in Lions Bay.

12:55SpeakerSo we have we have a pretty incredible garden with all sorts of different wildflowers and edibles and things like that. So excited to see how the season goes. Superb. And excellent. And JJ, it's nice to see you. What's your Appalachia? Where are you? What's going on? Hey, hey, everyone. Good to be here. So, yeah, I've got a small homestead in the northern Michigan Appalachia, and it's basically lots of lakes, lots of water.

13:30SpeakerIt's all glacial tilth and they're called kettle holes. So it's basically, you know, the glaciers receding and scratching the earth, leaving behind a bunch of lower areas. So yeah, I'm again on the same boat with the melting and the ton of water. But it seems like a lot of my mounds are kind of drying out faster. The sun's hitting them, the water's kind of pouring aside, and there's some action right at the tip of those points.

14:01SpeakerSo it's going pretty well over here. Awesome. We've been seeing some pictures and I know you're getting a lot of seeds in and everything. And you got any favorite varieties that you're putting in? I'm curious about, I'm running some stuff from Terp Wizard, who's another Michigan organic farmer and uh regen family i would say um so i'm running a couple of his varietals uh you know again stuff that i've saved from california from you know the swami days and everything like that from hanging with swami and all that um You know, but mostly I'm kind of open right now.

14:39SpeakerI haven't really thought about popping too much stuff because I'm a little bit, you know, probably a month out from that kind of timeframe. But yeah, it's starting to come down the pipeline.

14:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you traditionally, I say traditional, but like you like to do on your land, start them a little later and have like a smaller depth in the back sack, correct? Are you going to do that again this year?

15:01SpeakerYep, I do. Well, I try to dry farm so I don't irrigate my stuff up there at all. It's all rainwater. So I set up my hoop. I plant small plants a little bit later into hoogle holes. I dig a hole and then bury a bunch of carbon And plant inside there. And that seems to hold enough water to keep the plants happy throughout the year. They're small, easy to manage.

15:26SpeakerAnd I don't end up covering them until super late into the season, mostly just to keep the rain off of like the finishing nugs. So but this year, I might try to do a little bit different supplement with extra water to try to get slightly larger plants. We'll see how it goes.

15:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNice one. It's always, it seems like the whole state of Michigan could be a dry farm state because the whole, there's so much water all around. Oh, easily.

15:55SpeakerYeah, easily, for sure. And I mean, you know, it's just, it's one of those things where it's, as soon as you kind of find out about it, you know, this was, We're three seasons ago is my first season kind of doing Google cannabis cultivation. And it's it's remarkable how well that works here specifically in catching all of that water. And, you know, I would walk up to my hoop houses past the orchard.

16:20SpeakerEverything's raging. I turned the corner thinking that they'd like, you know, some water and they just never really asked for it. So I was like, fine.

16:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSeriously, I'll tell a story later because we're going to introduce people about that. But that's pretty amazing what water retention can happen in the Hugels. Give thanks to Noble. And Tamara, and the family, and the children, and Sierra, and everyone there on the farm down making things happen on the regen camp.

16:48SpeakerSo y'all tell us where you're from and what's going on there. What's your Appalachian?

16:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTell us something good. All right, go ahead Tamara.

16:54SpeakerAll right, well, we're in Lake County in California. And down here, we got little Emmy. Yeah.

17:08Speakerum down here it's really hot like we are each like the last three years i've started noticing it's just gotten hotter and hotter where i've started having to grow like in desert conditions and because it just gets so hot in the summer and um this last year i planted a month like behind when i was like usually on my target goal whereas like by the end of may all my veggies and all my medicinals are in and stuff it was too late it was so hot this past year And so we're just kind of having to speed up a lot of our planting and learning how to like really going underneath trees and any kind of shade that we can do and creating more natural shade.

17:50SpeakerSo that's kind of like our appellation now. And we're excited to work with like a lot more sativas as well, because we know we can do those long-term, those long flowering plants out here. And I've had them go until, I think the longest one I ever did was like mid-January, and I finally cut it. But it was more rainy in that time, and now we don't have some of those rains.

18:15SpeakerSo it's like, OK, how do we adjust? And I think we can, yeah, we're going to try some more long-term ones this year. But yeah, that's our appellation. I'm just arriving here from Laytonville, as a lot of you guys know.

18:33SpeakerShutting down our farm up there in Laytonville, unfortunately, due to, you know, just market and everything. Decided to join forces with, you know, Tamara and Joey and just make the shift. It was, you know, we fought a good fight and Mendocino is pretty tough. So we decided to move forward, you know, just keep moving forward through love and doing some beautiful stuff here with Tamara, building a lot of Google beds and clearing out glamping sites and setting up a, These events, you know, really digging into the education aspect of regenerative farming, which I wanted to do a lot more.

19:09SpeakerBeen really tied up in licensing and everything that comes with that is all you guys know in this crazy world. But we're really excited. Yeah, we're regrouping. Yeah, regrouping us too because I've been in licensing and trying to do this since 2016 when it like first all like came about and I was in talks with our county. And this last year I kind of had this like meltdown because I was like I've got PTSD from thinking about permits and licensing and like I just can't do it right now.

19:44SpeakerWe even were going to do the hemp farm this year and we just all decided you know what let's just take a year and breathe and we're building the medicinal garden and we're doing commercial herbs which we need for the products for Heal Thyself Gardens. And we're excited about that. Sierra, she's, you know, loves her coffee. She's, you know, the most intensive barista, you know, it's like hard to take her to coffee shops because she's like, you know, but she's amazing, you know, about like the detail of like quality and making sure the beans were, you know, All those kinds of things.

20:23SpeakerSo she had the idea of starting up a coffee cart and we're going to do some trips down central South America and go and talk to some of these different farms and do some sourcing and really trying to help out some of these, you know, more regenerative coffee farmers and help push them in that direction. Maybe even do some consulting and stuff like that so we can be able to bring back beans and start roasting here and start setting up a mobile coffee truck.

20:47SpeakerBig 20 foot trailer with a big deck on it and all kinds of reading material and regenerative foam. Push the message of how important sourcing, you know, products from the right people is. So, yeah, that's a whole new mission. I think that she's going to thrive at and, you know, so I've been helping her out and we're getting that going. We have a buddy building a beautiful trailer right now and I feel like we can integrate that with like the events and really, you know, plant that seed about true organics, you know.

21:17SpeakerNot just organic, but true organics.

21:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd true regenerative styles, which is great. And we just newly have a regenerative pure farmer in Argentina, Rodrigo.

21:30SpeakerAnd all the links to all the farmers are on dempurefarms.com.

21:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we do keep that part up to date. But Rodrigo is really beautiful. And I just wanted to say... Go ahead. Yeah.

21:43SpeakerYeah, I just wanted to say that here we are, you know, cannabis farmers. We've been playing these games. We've been playing a lot of papers. We've been pushing a tremendous amount of licensing. We've been pushing a tremendous amount of money. You know, there was a time when Legacy farmers in California, Oregon, Washington, BC, Colorado were able to feed their families, were able to keep homestead, were able to put in crops every year.

22:15SpeakerAnd now through legalization, basically, it's the idea of legalization is to take out those legacy farmers.

22:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTo take us out right in front of our face.

22:26SpeakerAnd I don't want to sugarcoat it or anything. I don't want to make it sound like, oh, well, we've got some place here. And up here in Canada, a lot of the micro growers, I know Shay is going to be talking here. He's on Rosebud Farm, talk about pushing papers and everything that we're trying to do for legalization up here. But what we're really starting to realize is that when things become legalized with the federal government, when things become legalized with a province or a state, That means that it's more up for big corporate man and the big corporate entity to take over.

23:00SpeakerSo the reason why Dempure is Dempure is because we're here to support each other. We're all On the same page with regenerative community, regenerative values, regenerative, you know, growing practices. And here's a perfect example, at Heal Thyself and Noble and Tamara, Noble wasn't able to maybe keep his farm and a lot of other people aren't, but we have this beautiful connection of these people. Of real people in the world.

23:31SpeakerOf real people in the world.

23:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're not just marketing gimmicks, you know, we're the actual blood behind, you know, the culture.

23:38SpeakerAnd a lot of you all who are listening out here on YouTube, you're looking at the faces of some legacy growers who have been in this business for 30 plus years and counting. And all of us have been bringing you all flour when it was really illegal. We put our ass out on the line. We put our children's future out on the line to make sure that the medicine was still getting out.

24:04SpeakerAnd by having these kind of community talks, What we're reaching out to you all and consumers out there is to make sure to be supporting these farms and these legacy farms and Dempere and people that are getting out there and trying to join together to continue the legacy farm quality, which is the quality is not just in the flower. The quality is in the community and the quality is in the education.

24:31SpeakerAnd then the quality is in the kindness that we have and in the reverence that we have to this plant.

24:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that's a perfect segue. Craig, you've been through so much having to do with all this too. Let's hear from Craig. Where's your Appalachia? Maybe talk about your beautiful partner, Melanie, and the work that she's been doing. Just, you know, we love you. Alpenglow Farms.

24:51SpeakerHey, thank you. Good morning to everybody. And thank you, Marcus, for opening up your house and sharing this space with us. Yeah, we sure appreciate you and everything you've done to support us through the process. And as to where we are, if you look between Rio and Katie through that rectangle tall window, that is precisely where Katie is pointing, where my farm is. That mountain is called Reed Mountain and it is historically known locally as Weed Mountain.

25:25SpeakerIt was, it's one of the taller peaks right outside of Garberville and has, you know, every single one of those ridgelines has legacy historic grows that have been up there for, you know, 30, 40 years. Aaron Wiggins, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery,

26:04SpeakerAnd we are at the confluence of two rivers, the South Fork of the Eel and the East Branch of the South Fork. The confluence is right there. So we get this really nice air exchange at least twice a day where the valleys will pull in the ocean fog. But we actually are above that. And we get about 60 more days of sunlight than the valley would. And we're much drier, about 15 to 20 degrees warmer.

26:32SpeakerAnd we're just off the ridge top too. So we're not getting all those winds and we kind of get this Oreo cookie effect where we're the cream in the middle. Because sometimes, you know, if you've been around mountains at all, they get a little cloud on the peak too. So it's really nice. We get a lot of beautiful sunrises and Rio's farm gets the beautiful sunset. So we have a nice little bounce in our ecosystem.

26:58SpeakerBut yeah, we've been facing a lot of challenges with legalization and the county and over taxation. And that's where my partner, Melanie, has been such a rock and such a voice She actually has a master's in communication and has been delivering these amazing three minute comments to the Board of Supervisors and just taking her public speaking to really support the farmers. And one of our last rallies in front of the courthouse, she delivered a very moving speech and we were able to take our taxation from Aaron Wiggins, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google,

28:02SpeakerThe globe should know that when legalization happened, we were excited to legitimize our lives in the greater world, right? We knew who we were and we were legitimately conducting good business in parts of our community and paying taxes. But now with legalization, when it first happened, at least locally, we were excited to pay for our roads and pay for our schools through that system. We always did it on a volunteer basis and we gave more than our share and built schools and built hospitals and did all these things.

28:40SpeakerSo we were excited when it first came out, but then, oh my God, the taxation just kept coming from every angle. So what we thought we were going to support our county so it would stay in the county, we got hammered by the state and federal, like it was just phenomenal, like an overbearing and the way California built out their supply chain. They built it such a fractured line so no one could really participate in all features.

29:06SpeakerAnd that fractured supply chain is really part of the demise of the entire California system. You need a permit, a separate permit to do anything for me to drive a plant off my property, to move a plant from my light depth to my full term. That takes another license. Like it's crazy. So we're working hard to push on that. Melanie's been a big help with all that.

29:32SpeakerAnd our entire community is really working forward to help with all that. So I appreciate everyone here today. And everyone has a unique skill and unique strength. And together, we're really able to pull something together that can support each other. So I appreciate you all. Thank you. Awesome, Craig. Yeah, you know, I think that inevitably, we're going to get into the conversation today on, you know, how we can support each other.

30:06SpeakerA lot of countries now are starting to come into legalization, they're going to be dealing with a lot of this licensing, they're going to be looking at exactly what we've been dealing with. And they're going to see the straight up takeover of legacy farmers of legacy growers as well breeders. So I feel like we can really be offering them education forward on how we can join together so that really doesn't happen.

30:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we're going to a cannabis summit in Kelowna next weekend. I think it's next weekend. And it's going to be a really a policy type summit where we're going to be creating new We've got a lot of great laws and new verbiage for maybe creating a new license and just working on the federal licensing up here in Canada. So I would say Kelowna, which is in British Columbia, for those of you who don't know, is a big cannabis summit we're going to be speaking at and involved in, along with First Nations groups from British Columbia and Canada, which they have the ability to form their own laws, which I think is really powerful, and so do they.

31:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJust a matter of education. So these panels are part of that education. Everyone talking about what they're working on in their jurisdiction. You know, big love to Martin in Ireland. There's people in Ireland all over Europe having a lot of, you know, hard times right now. So we want to big people up and make them feel like they're on the right path and help, you know, people know that, you know, there's people behind you, you know, that support you.

31:33SpeakerAnd then that really leads us on to Shay. You're fighting the good fight. Last year's crop was totally unbelievable. Rosebud Farms just becoming Dempure certified. We're so excited. Love to hear where you're at in your Appalachia and a little bit about what's going on.

31:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJust want to say also, please mention something about the Unicorn Cup because we're all super, super stoked about the Unicorn Cup. Yep. Mark it on your calendars. The unicorn cups the bomb.

32:03SpeakerIt is most beautiful property ever. Go ahead.

32:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Chay is our newest EMT farmer in British Columbia in our area of the Kootenays. Blessed love.

32:13SpeakerThanks, guys. Thanks for that nice introduction. A lot of love, much love for everybody on this panel. I appreciate the invite and the opportunity to learn from a lot of you guys over the years. So it's pretty cool to be sitting here next to you. Yeah, we're regenerative cannabis producers near Nelson, not too far from Argento where you guys are. We're LP or a standard. We're probably the smallest standard or LP there is really.

32:39SpeakerBut here with a really small canopy for micro, it's 200 meters. It's extremely hard to be profitable at those numbers. So we felt we had not much choice but to go LP or standard. Yeah, Rosebud Lake, as you mentioned, it's where we are. We're in this magical, beautiful ecosystem, sort of a wildlife reserve on one side and crown land surrounding. It's a real wildlife corridor, beautiful, everything from loons and eagles and wolves and all that sort of stuff.

33:10SpeakerSo it's really balanced, really diversity, healthy ecosystem. So what a great place to do regenerative cannabis production. I think if a synthetic operation moved in here, it would really have a negative impact on this environment. So we're stoked to actually be able to contribute to the health of the environment. Yeah, and Unicorn Cup, that's super exciting to me too. First thing I think about when I wake up every morning.

33:34SpeakerI mean, I love weed, I'm passionate about weed, but what's better than weed and community mixed with music and celebration, which is kind of like up in the level of awesomeness. It's August 13th to 14th, 12th to 15th, actually, but those are the main days. We've got a whole bunch of really cool artists coming. Some pretty big headliners that I can't quite tell you about yet, but I'm really excited for you to hear about them.

34:02SpeakerDo a mix of electronic music, but not just that. We have like acoustic and vocals and a lot of other things. Yeah, we're really expanding this year. 500 people expected. The judges, we do a comparison. There is not a clear permit yet for a straightforward cannabis cup in Canada yet. So what we do is a educational event. And part of that educational event is a cannabis comparison where we'll rate cannabis and have people in the know like Kevin Jodery and Josh and Kelly educate the consumers on what makes good cannabis, good cannabis.

34:40SpeakerAnd then we just have a great time, a great party, awesome camp and all on the lake. It's really, really epic thing. So I hope to, I hope to see everybody there that can make it across the border that is. And if you're local, we hope to get you there too.

34:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, that's spectacular. And, you know, you're just in such a raw mountainous area. And really, it's the beauty of just developing a new space and creating, you know, what we want to see or what, you know, the land is working with is really exciting. And I love the wildness of it to where you don't have, like, people breathing down your neck. You can really, like, express yourself.

35:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I love that, you know.

35:22SpeakerAnd take a morning dip in the pond, you know, that lake there. It's not a pond, it's a lake. And it was just so amazing to be able to go to a festival and have a beautiful lake that you can just dive into. And we're really going to be working on a whole zone at Unicorn Cup that's going to be a regenerative Dempure camping area zone. And we're going to be having just campfire sessions going and education from Dempure farmers.

35:52SpeakerPretty much from, you know, morning break for cocoa and splits and bong hits and all of that until late into the night. And last year we had an incredible time. Chay, you really put on something amazing for us. And it was sort of the last time that we had been social with people. So we've been holding it close to our hearts.

36:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd lots of demonstrations, everything from wild crafting to building, you know, forest gardens, to washing hatch, to freeze drying, to... Tinctures to topicals. How do you want to survive? It's a self-reliant cannabis plant medicine festival. Everything goes. We're trying to create an open atmosphere in one of the most oppressive societies on earth. We live in one of the most oppressive societies on earth. Crazy. But we're free because we live in the mountains and we live on the land.

36:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's the message. Consider moving out to the country and living on the land or Working on a community garden in the city or a lot in your suburb or an area where you can connect to the earth because that's where you're going to have some buffer from the madness. And it's also your point of health.

37:09SpeakerOr if all you can do is work and you can't do that and you're really caught up in the system and you're on a whole nother path. Michelle Moorman, You can go and spend all of your money at the farmers markets where all of those people are doing regenerative stuff so then that is you supporting it. Michelle Moorman, So whether you are planting your own regenerative garden or you're supporting other regenerative farmers you're still part of the regenerative movement, it starts from the very beginning, so.

37:39SpeakerAnd I guess, you know, here we are, Tara Lee, here you, you know, be great. You've been starting your backyard garden. We've been talking to you a little bit and love to know your Appalachia and sort of what kind of things have been going on, you know, in your backyard and in your zoning area. What are you going to put in this year? Good morning, everyone. Hello, Josh Kelly.

38:00SpeakerThanks for the invite today. Hello, everyone. Thanks for being here. My Appalachia, I am in Washington State, Grand County area, right in the center of the state. And we are in like a dry highland desert area. And if it wasn't for like the Grand Coulee Dam and all that, this whole area would be like serious drought. Like we wouldn't have the ag and the development that we have here.

38:27SpeakerSo we're lucky for the irrigation that we have. But the hugelkultur thing and being able to seek and doing all of that stuff and be able to save the water and all that, I think that's going to be an amazing thing to be able to add to this Appalachian area, I would say. I don't know, I'm super nervous today. I need a dab. My gosh. Can I just say, can I just publicly announce my love for Tara Lee right here?

38:56SpeakerOh, thanks, Lala.

38:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineEveryone who doesn't know about Tara Lee, she is a people's person. She has an amazing YouTube page and she really gets it out to the people. She's just there for you. I would say for anything you ever need, you know, she's survived cancer and she's not even supposed to be here right now. So every day for Tara Lee is a blessing. And so she lives every day in that spirit of being thankful for life.

39:29SpeakerAnd also been really up, you know, talking up community gardens with community, making it really easy for people to tackle a yard that only has grass on it, even if it's a 10 by 10, a two by two, even if it's just a pot. So she's in it every day trying to really educate people the ways on really easy gardening so that when they pick that tomato, and it may be the one and only tomato that they grew in their backyard, it may be the highlight day of their entire life.

40:08SpeakerAnd that is what it's all about. And that's what this education from Dempere Farmers Also to be a Dempura farmer, part of the agreements that we agree upon is not only to live our moral compass in our regenerative practices on our own, but that we're continuously educating people. You know, even like I can do, you know, you even when you have been not able to be a voice, your voice has been carrying on to people.

40:40SpeakerThere's been an incredible voice of yours that has been lasting in education and people being having pure respect for the plant. Your name coming up so many times because of that resonant love and that resonant education that you give so freely. I mean, Alexandra, the same thing. You and Terry have been bringing an incredible spirituality to this plant. So, and it brings education.

41:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYour page is incredibly informative too. I love the way that you share your gardening story along with everyone and your approach to it, I feel is what I'm really attracted to. It's really beautiful.

41:22SpeakerAnd I think that we would just wanted to roll into just some really amazing regenerative tips, whether it be community tips, whether it be gardening tips, anything that you all have been doing that have been really making waves. And Rio and Katie, I'd love to hear from you all. And let's just roll this out now that we've introduced everybody. I would just love to hear what's really working for everybody.

41:48SpeakerAnd anybody who's on chat who wants to ask some questions, Let's do this. Should we start? Yeah, I'll start this with the market collapse. I just had this epiphany moment that I was just done. And for me, it's like keeping up with the Joneses. I was always like one foot in one camp. Like trying to keep the farm alive and one foot in the region. Ideas of just the whole intention of this land was to build a permaculture oasis and use cannabis to fund it.

42:26SpeakerBut when that funding just got harder and harder, I was like, I give up. Fuck it. And I had this moment that just after harvest, it was kind of a shitty harvest last year. And I was like, all right, I'm just doing what I most care about. I'm done.

42:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI was always like,

42:44SpeakerAnd Katie came on board and we had a plan.

42:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSorry, Mario, can you mute your microphone, Mario, real quick? And also Daniel and Mario, we'll get to you right after Rio. Love you.

42:59SpeakerKeep going. So this winter, I spent the whole winter working and we just, we had a plan. We developed a plan together and she's really into plants, which She has the deep, you know, knowledge of plants. And so that was an asset for me because I'm, you know, still learning. So we landscaped and came up with some plans for a new market garden. Yeah, we filled in a pond that was never very useful and So now we have a big flat with market beds and a whole hillside that's all with food and fruit and nuts and berries and all who goes with an old windstorm blew over a live oak.

43:49SpeakerSo that one tree built like a hundred by hundred square foot area of hoogles. So we're just making it super spongy and absorbent. So anything that flows down just catches. Then we have a big cannabis patch under there where we get to do a lot of fun sativas and things. It's a great spot. The cover crop is really abundant. And we developed a nut and berry We're doing elderberries as an alternative crop and.

44:41SpeakerEveryone's committed to the right thing right now. And we've been mixing our own soil for the nursery mix. Instead of bringing in bags this year, we borrowed a cement mixer from Craig and have been just making Clackamas Coots recipe for soil and using soil blockers so we don't have to use plastic containers. So we're just soil blocking everything. And getting in the JADEM and ferments. Katie's got IMO3 now.

45:11SpeakerWe're about to get the IMO4 going. And inoculations. I know our soil's lacking in a little bit of fungal bacterial activity. So the cover crop looks good. Now we're bringing in the compost and... building and spin to talky logs from our friend Mike who's a mushroom cultivator and so he's just got you know bringing the dump trailer it's amazing he's so it's beautiful compost give thanks to mushroom Mike as always yeah he just keeps providing for so many people and any of you all out there who are listening getting a hold of anybody organic mushroom cultivator in your zone or area because Thank you so much for joining us.

46:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, yeah, they have the power to transform, but really, do you want to support like non-organic substrate? No, you don't. So I always encourage, you know, your mushroom farmer to start with organic. And in the case of forest products and using wood as a substrate, too many places in the forest use glyphosate. I said that, and it's true. Glyphosate is not just used in the agriculture industry or the cut flower industry, it's in the forests.

46:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd they're killing berries like service berries, which I like to call sarvice berries, because my last name is Sarvice. But there's the or the Saskatoon berry if you're in Canada, superfood. But anyway, it's the huckleberries, all these berries that supposedly get in the way of tree growth. And I have, you know, this thing like everyone's, you know, with anyway, there's a lot to that. But so big love to you guys on diversifying.

47:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've been doing soil blockers too, but I've been just digging up the soil out of my garden. Thank you so much for joining us today.

47:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for joining us today.

48:01SpeakerThat type of intelligence and truly our microbiology just eats it alive. It never really gets the opportunity to sprout. So another reason why you want to be getting seeds from breeders like a lot of these people that you see on here because we're growing it regeneratively. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so excited to have that gusto. Lala, what kind of regenerative things? Oh, oh, wait, we're going to move down here just super quick because Daniel came on.

48:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Best Friend.

48:28SpeakerAnd Best Friend Farm.

48:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd maybe Mario is still there. And I think Mario. I'm not sure, but.

48:34SpeakerDaniel, it's nice to see you.

48:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHeart Rock Mountain.

48:37SpeakerWhere are you? What's your Appalachian? What's the weather like?

48:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHow are your babies? Your baby, your children? Yeah. Beautiful children.

48:44SpeakerYeah. Turn my phone off. Can you hear me?

48:56SpeakerMight have. Yeah, so I'm in eastern Potter Valley in the Middle Mountain Appalachian. I'm almost to Lake County. We're in Potter Valley. And even in our little region here, we're in a little banana belt at like seven, between 23 and 2,500 feet. You go down 500 feet and it's colder. You go up 500 feet, it's colder.

49:25SpeakerYeah, it's, you know, my dad settled there, kind of the end of the road. And it turned out to be like a nice little microclimate climate for,

49:38SpeakerWe also can get stuff to go in January. I harvest my last seed run. I start autoflowers in the fall and harvest them in the middle of winter. Occasionally, I have to run a couple of nights of heat when it gets down to 20 for a couple of nights, but that's rare where we're at. The babies are doing good. Yeah, number three, I'm definitely sleep deprived. And, you know, when I do public speaking or whatever, I like to let people know I'm not drinking.

50:09SpeakerI just have three small children, you know, because the brain, it definitely doesn't work like I want it to work.

50:18SpeakerI lose a lot of things there.

50:22SpeakerYeah, I mean, what a, and this is, yeah, glyphosate, fuck, you know, it's like the DDT of our generation. I see it around the valley all the time. And I talked to some of these farmers and, you know, I've gotten a couple to change their ways. Well, actually one of my neighbors, she told me to mind my own business. And I said, I am minding my own business.

50:41SpeakerYou're spraying poison where my children play. And she stopped. You know, and it's like these things, like these people who do it because it's easy wouldn't, they wouldn't like be putting a small little drop of poison into their kids' water or their kids' food, but they will put it onto their farms. And it's wild, that disconnect there, you know, that, and it's just, it's just a matter of time, you know, before it's not being used, but it's crazy.

51:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI would say it almost seems like it's getting like more common if that sounds like even possible. But yeah, they just did this whole push like in British Columbia to put it all over the forest. They do it, but it's more now.

51:23SpeakerMaybe because it's like a household's kind of stopped doing it because it's banned, so it's got to go somewhere else, you know? There you go.

51:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's what it is.

51:31SpeakerWhat are we going to do with all these war chemicals? I don't know. Let's sell them to farmers. Let's put it in the food. And I guess it has come up a couple of times. We really encourage anyone listening out there to find out where glyphosate is being sprayed. Know that when the roads spring, the sides of the roads or train tracks near you, glyphosate is being sprayed.

51:54SpeakerReally get educated on glyphosate because the real problems with glyphosate is not necessarily in your soil. Yes, it's huge because soil is the very beginnings of life and it holds the very valuable microbiology, which holds valuable life forms for plants to be able to grow, but also for our own microbiome to be able to be healthy. And our genome and these type of chemicals actually attack our DNA along with our microbiology, which changes the way that our health and wellbeing is defined well now and into the future.

52:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe would recommend.

52:34SpeakerGlyphosate, incredibly important.

52:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIn the event that you're building an indoor garden or something like that and you're buying inputs or maybe you're making a spring soil to seed starts, you know, alfalfa often has glyphosate in it and it's hidden in products by companies that say they're OMRI listed. If it's not certified or even certified organic,

52:58SpeakerYeah, it doesn't test for glyphosate.

53:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOkay, so they get, you're going to have your products tested. They're going to take, you're going to do a 28, 28 test of 28 different toxicities and glyphosate's not in there. And it's one of the most common ones. And that's not including decontamination. And that's not including Dicamba and all the other defoliants. There's thousands of things, but glyphosate is the easiest one to talk about, but there's many of them.

53:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo our recommendation is when building indoor gardens, either ask the company that you're getting those leafy products from, ask for their toxicity test, or Text it yourself. And that's going to be the way that you know that your intelligent, dynamic, accumulating, sentient being, ganja, isn't sucking up that stuff into its body and into the classic, the head of the trichome, which is what we are looking for.

53:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIn some cases, we want the roots and the seeds and everything. But anyway, big love. And Best Friend Farms, Brian out in Maine, what's happening? You're getting to introduce yourself and then we're going to find out more tech from the fam.

54:09SpeakerAnd your Appalachia, where you at?

54:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe can't hear you. Hi there.

54:19Bryan Best Friend FarmsCan you hear me now? Can you hear me now?

54:32Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm up in the foothills. Okay, sorry. I'm in the foothills of Maine. I'm at about 600 feet nestled between the Atlantic and the White Mountains, I guess. And yeah, so plenty full water. I think there's 14, like 14 or 15 lakes and ponds in this little town. So it's kind of, you know, a lot of hills among water. And yeah, we're just starting to open up with the snows all gone and we get really good sun here.

55:04Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I get great exposure. It's more of a south, southeast sweep, I think, which is really good for Maine. I bring up too because of the frost potential in the late season and the dew. So if you get an earlier burn off and exposure to the sunrise, southeast side of the hill kind of thing here. So that's where I sit.

55:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you're making really incredible hash, you know, too. And then what are some of the maybe some of the new varietals you're excited for this year?

55:41Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, actually, we're making hash all the time. And I'm just like, I've been constantly breeding to try to find the best hash making plants. So we're focused on traditional form, but we're getting some pretty greasy, good air dried traditional stuff out there. And You know, kind of following the ways of Frenchie with the same form and enjoying it. And then, yeah, I've been doing a ton of breeding.

56:06Bryan Best Friend FarmsI just went back to my gas mask clone mom with a bunch of more like fruit forward gas back stuff here. So some cherry chem and some pineapple fields for additions to the gas mask. And I actually cracked some, uh, Dominion Seeds. I see Duke Diamond. So I got a friend gifted me some Dominion G and some Local Skunk. So the Local Skunk went in first. So yeah, I'm stoked about those.

56:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I got some AK Bean Brains gear going too. The same friend gifted me some nice stuff. Yeah, I got some Super Skunk. Over there, you know, and across with a black domino. I'm really excited about I got some cough BX1 with same with Dave Pope's help, I believe right in with Relic, I believe is behind it. So I've got some cough, which I've been really, really hoping to get back into classic stuff and kind of going for it with some really cool genetic stuff this year.

57:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsI've even been talking to Colin from Vessel Life and we're planning some interesting breeding projects here on the farm, which will tie in some more, I guess, land race types, even some Moroccan and some Nepalese have been brought up to bring back into some lines here in theory that are producing really good hash and go in with some more land race hash oriented genetics to see what it kind of mixes up.

57:35Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd yeah, so.

57:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love that. That's just candy to the ears, just hearing about all this stuff. And maybe, Craig, you can tell us about your hash here in a sec, because it's really interesting what you've got going on with some of your... Business Connections.

57:53SpeakerAnd I also wanted to touch on some regenerative things that we can talk about. A lot of people are dealing with toxic environments. And how can we help people in uptaking some of that toxic material? So that's gonna that's people are asking us questions, but microbiology eats.

58:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, let's just cover across microbiology more of it. Maria, what's happening in your in your neck of the woods? Tell us something about your Appalachian, your farm and some of your genetics.

58:21SpeakerHey, guys. Nice to see you. Happy spring. Can you hear me? Hey, can you hear me? Cool. Well, Everything's kind of going well here. I'm getting ready for some sheep. I got a herd of sheep coming in soon and a couple of weeks. And so I'm building a little manger. I got a new flock of ducks that I just reared up. And today's their first day free ranging.

58:55SpeakerIt's really cool. It feels really good. They were ready to get out. I got some Muscovies. If you guys don't know about those, they're awesome. And I kind of like read about them and thought that they would be awesome. But now that I'm like actually holding one compared to like other domestic duck breeds, their structure is so much stronger, like their bone structure and muscular and their nails are sharper, they fly.

59:30SpeakerThey forage better. They're like the ultimate homestead duck. I'm so stoked on those. So I feel like all the ducks here are going to be Muscovies eventually. Are those the running ducks? What's up? Are those the running ducks that don't need the water as much? No, they're not the running ducks. They're a totally different type of duck. In fact, it's kind of like a horse and a donkey.

1:00:02SpeakerLike if a horse and a donkey have a baby, it's a mule, but it's infertile. So if a Muscovy and a regular duck have babies, they're infertile too. They're not compatible that way. So anyway, you either got the Muscovys or you got the other ones. I'm all about the Muscovies right now. Yeah, the farm's at 1300 feet. I'm here in Willits, right in the middle of Mendocino, about 45 minutes from the coast in the foothills.

1:00:38SpeakerFlatland in the valley. I've got a really nice exposure and great water. I've been on this site for eight years now. From the moment I got here, I kind of like did a permaculture design of like a livestock laneway around the whole place and then planted accordingly to feed livestock as they pass through. And I haven't had livestock except for like ducks until this season with the sheep coming in.

1:01:14SpeakerSo I'm pretty excited. It's a huge transition happening right now. I'm thinking just as much about that kind of stuff as I am about the herb because it's really about like being able to like sustain like a certain lifestyle and live in this place that we love to live and pay the bills. So right now the herb isn't really paying the bills. So I'm like staying as fluid and flexible as possible.

1:01:48SpeakerUm, you know, diversifying. And one of the things that I'm really focused on is building alternate income streams with existing infrastructure. Like, like, how many, like, returns can I get from that two inch line that's running through my field? Or, you know, what, what, what kind of resources do I have on the land that I can like, like, kind of like do as little as possible to get the most return from, you know, and keep it all like fertile and abundant and keep the fertility on site as much as possible, you know, so I'm giving a lot of thought to that kind of stuff.

1:02:39SpeakerAny questions or anything?

1:02:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI just like to second that emotion and say many DEM Pure farmers are realizing, and part of the DEM Pure certification is to grow other crops. The whole entire thing is to be that you don't buy products and that you have a polyculture. And that polyculture is not just with plants, it's with people and seeds. And so lots of farmers are diversifying. Jaw Gardens had to move and now he's planting hundreds of fruit trees, you know, and it's amazing, you know, to see what people are doing.

1:03:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI remember Terry Willard telling me, you know, that the Echinacea farmers were making tons of money, you know, back in the day. And then all of a sudden Echinacea just got flooded from everywhere in the world. And all of a sudden Echinacea farmers were just lost. And the point is, Any one thing can go away. So the more that we have, you know, whether it's maybe a seed, whatever it is, and I love that we're diversifying.

1:03:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think that's a really good subject to move forward.

1:03:45SpeakerAnd so I want to talk about that. I want everybody to talk about what are they having as secondary products, as tertiary products, as quadriary products, whatever, synquitary. I don't know where I'm going.

1:03:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut we're having a lot of whatever it is.

1:04:02SpeakerAnd we always have said it isn't about you being in business for two years. It's about are you going to be here with a brand that matters with an educational force that matters in 10? That's what we've always said. All of us here are here for the long haul. If something isn't making money, we're going to go to something else. So I'd love to hear from everybody.

1:04:28SpeakerWhat are you diversifying with that's going to keep you here? What's working for you? Well, I can go on that. I would say just on a short thing, perennial crops. Just like things that you can put in that are going to keep giving you returns with very little input. That's really what I'm focused on. I agree with that. You can do things like blueberries. Or things like, you know, fruits and stuff.

1:05:03SpeakerThose never really, I mean, people like the sugary sweets and those things kind of return for years and years and years, which is pretty cool. But I've been diversifying. I mean, if you look at my Instagram, I post a lot of, a decent amount of car stuff from VWs and Audis. And it's just, you know, I've kind of had a knack for automotive mechanics and the used car market's pretty hot right now.

1:05:24SpeakerSo I've been kind of saving these old, you know, 20-year-old Volkswagens and Audis And then, you know, moving them along to kind of stay afloat after, you know, kind of a hard season and a hard winter. So I think that like using any other skills, you know, that we pick up from, You know, our various experience throughout life, you know, kind of taking taking a step back and reflecting on those things and then trying to, you know, to pivot, to pivot into a more diverse network of like income streams or or whatever, you know.

1:06:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd have you looked into electric conversions for old VWs? I'm seeing a lot about like how easy it is to convert like an old VW bus to electric, like drive it in. And then that day you come out with an electric bus type thing. Have you heard of, is that interesting to you? I was just wondering what your thought is. And then we'll move on.

1:06:29SpeakerYou can definitely do that. That is like, that's definitely doable. But with my infrastructure here at the cabin, You know, I have very rudimentary electricity and I don't have like a garage. I have one structure on my land and it's pretty much the room that I'm sitting in right now. So, you know, but my thoughts on the electric batteries, it's kind of a hard thing to... To balance in my mind, you know, with like the mind minerals, the cost, you know, the difficulty and wiring and different servos and stuff like that.

1:07:06SpeakerI'm just, you know, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm familiar.

1:07:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAgreed. We would have to go back to that. What is everybody else? Yeah.

1:07:17SpeakerMore products. I want to hear about what people are doing for secondary things. I'll bet there's a way to create an alternative energy to do the electrical in the cars. I mean, I know Crestone is doing some amazing work with biofuels, and there must be a way to do this. Anyway, that was a thought.

1:07:43SpeakerExcellent. Yeah, it's super cool stuff. I'm really, I'm really interested in that engineering side of things because it's kind of, you know, overshadowed with a lot of stuff. And I think it's also important to get your engineer on as a farmer, as a, you know, as a human being.

1:08:04SpeakerIn talking to a lot of people in the California market, like Canada's market, it's like manufactured products seem to be much more stable. So our tincture product is actually the one that's getting us through this spring because that's the only income we're really, that's reliant. So we're looking for more ideas to develop on farm, value added, You know, with elderberries or other things that are in on the farm to get packaged products and get that out.

1:08:43SpeakerElderberries are an amazing crop to grow. They just produce and they're so stable. We actually have like six different types that we grow. They like to cross pollinate and, you know, different things that we can make with different types of plants. And they're just so beautiful and so hardy. But yeah, we've been really working a lot. You know, Joey actually kind of introduced me to syntropic farming years ago.

1:09:11SpeakerAnd ever since he did, I've been going down so many rabbit holes on, you know, creating these. And, you know, it's similar to what we've all been talking about with regenerative farming and all that, but it's really using biomimicry. And, you know, even before indigenous agriculture, just like the way that nature compiles things and us being able to learn from that and Chris Brown, Be able to create these self sufficient systems that are going to just keep growing and evolving into these beautiful things.

1:09:37SpeakerChris Brown, And eventually just become, you know, its own stable source of everything that it needs. And so we've actually been Yeah, so we're, we're kind of excited about right now is that where our medicine garden had been has been planned out where I dug the hubles at last year. And we put them together and everything. I just kind of let it sit for a year as we were going through licensing.

1:10:02SpeakerBut now we're looking at it and reevaluating and going, okay, let's make a centropic garden here. And the centropic is really about forest farming. It's creating a forest, a real food forest. And so we're doing like a lot of tree layers and then going to be doing berry layers, you know, just layers upon layers. And then certain things just keep getting chopped and dropped as another layer comes up.

1:10:25SpeakerWe're all learning about it. Joey's really excited about it. Working with alley cropping and understory perennial. And elderberries are a big part of that. Elderberries and then some other just really easy ones to kind of get down. Things that are drought resistant, things that can be able to create shade layers so other things can be able to get established and grow through into, you know, a more stable canopy.

1:10:46SpeakerWhere we just have continuous different crops coming up. And that's one of ours is like we're looking of how like a permaculture teacher told me like every farm should have seven different incomes, seven streams. So I've been trying to work towards that for a while. And now with us all like combining forces, there's four of us DEM farmers out here. I'm real excited about, you know, we all have different ideas and figuring out our different paths and we're all aligned.

1:11:13SpeakerBut it's like what we really love is the Centropic is going to be able to provide all my commercial herbs. But then also we'll either have hemp or cannabis in it this next year. We'll have tree layers. Burdock, yeah. Yeah, lots of burdock, ashlegondas, you know, these ones that I need a lot of for the products. And then all different kinds of pollinators and coreopsis and dianthus.

1:11:36SpeakerYeah. Do you guys have a top three, like... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:12:10SpeakerAaron Ward, Family Farms, Family Farms, Family Farms, Family Farms,

1:12:31SpeakerAnd the goji. I love the goji because you can use the leaves for teas. You can also use the berries. And I just like how it spreads and it can be done in many different climates. And if you have a little bit of shade. I was going to say if it works in Michigan or not. Yeah, blueberries would be good depending on your, you know. It grows here.

1:12:50SpeakerI know there were some folks in Ohio that was doing that. Has anyone done aronia berries? Has anyone done Aronia berries yet? They're awesome for a system. Yeah. Oh my God. The mead that comes from those? I've done Aronia. It does really good here. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. And it's in college. So Colorado is kind of rough on some things, but Aronia berries do really well here.

1:13:13SpeakerAwesome. Yeah. Yeah. So there's so many. I mean, it really just depends on where you live, right? And what your needs are. Raspberry for me is a really big crop here because I use a lot of raspberry leaf in our smoking blends and teas. It does really well. And it's yeah, it's great. And it's just like always producing. So my little one just always goes and eats the berries and we're harvesting all the leaves and chopping and dropping it.

1:13:35SpeakerAnd it comes back so vigorous. So, yeah, it's also it always depends on what your kind of user needs are, as well as what's going to grow around that area.

1:13:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah.

1:13:46SpeakerAlexandra, I know another one which is called just a berry and that grows even in Thank you. Thank you.

1:14:15SpeakerAnd the really nice big blueberries and you can freeze them or whatever. But I would recommend that for wherever you live, especially for tough areas. Absolutely great. I'm really excited to produce them over and over again. I will this year have already a whole bunch of flowers on it.

1:14:41SpeakerOh, beautiful. Perfect. Well, I have that written down. Nice. We should figure out a way to share all these resources, like, like a little bit, um, you know, we have it.

1:14:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe have a discord. And that would be, that'd be the place. That would be your one area that you could be done, you know?

1:15:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe have a public Discord page and a private one for D and Pure Family. The private one no one uses anymore, but it could always be activated anytime. One berry I would add would be the sea buckthorn. Sea buckthorn has been really good for us. And it's an incredible, you know, one to make medicine and products with. It's super spiky and weird. And it like continues to grow.

1:15:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt like propagates itself throughout the ground. We also, you know, yeah.

1:15:35SpeakerAnd it can be put in a lot of- Is that a yummy one? Skin, it's not very tasty- Super bitter. But it can be put in skincare products. And it just is super beautiful for us, really high vitamin C. So anybody out there who has the freeze dryers or they do dehydration at all, they're just really amazing to grind up and put in for vitamin C. And also I would add one more, the hascap berry, which is, I believe it's Japanese.

1:16:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI may be wrong about that, but, uh, It's like a blueberry, but it blooms super early.

1:16:11SpeakerIt's actually from the honeysuckle family.

1:16:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere you go.

1:16:14SpeakerAnd it was created up here off of a hybrid honeysuckle in the Calgary area. So it's actually northern and it just continues to go and go. The only problem with it. Birds love it. Birds love the berries as well as deer love the leaves. So in the wintertime, if you have a lot of snow, you have to cover it so the deer don't get to it. But they are delicious.

1:16:41SpeakerAnd they're a true red fruit. And they are so plentiful. You know how a blueberry is not quite blue. It's just the skin is blue. It's a white fruit. But this is red on the outside and red all the way through. So when you work with it and you eat it, it's just so red. Really beautiful fruit.

1:16:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also the dwarf cherries. We have this medicinal cherry tree that's like it tastes so like weird and bitter, but it's dark red.

1:17:10SpeakerAnd so I think I've seen those in Hawaii somewhere. Maybe not. I don't know. Lala, please put these in the chat on the YouTube for people. That would be great because I know people are asking and Marcus had to bail to go bring his his buddy to a friend's house.

1:17:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLittle Tanner for some skating.

1:17:29SpeakerYou have to be a moderator in YouTube. Like you have to have a blue mod wrench to be able to put links in that chat. So the only one that can do it. Bingo, Lombardi, and 70s Mama, I think are the two in chat right now that can do those. So just letting you know.

1:17:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat would be cool. Thanks, Bingo.

1:17:47SpeakerThanks, Bingo.

1:17:48Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Mama, or I forget what you said, but that's sweet.

1:17:51SpeakerI'd love to hear also, again, some more, you know, those were some great ideas with perennials and with berries because they're great on the market. Anybody else has been doing some amazing things for some secondary income? I wanted to also say like different deer resistant crops and things like that to be able to do bordering around your plants and things that are really, you know, drought resistant that like different aloes and things like that and being able to use that as, you know, you could sell it as an input or use it for your farm.

1:18:20SpeakerI mean, the amount of oxygen that you're able to get out of it is absolutely amazing. If you're, you know, reproducing and you could sell them as the plants, you could sell the aloe leaf, aloe drinks, And it's something that just keeps growing and protecting your farm. And then also the diversity of aloes that are drought resistant. It's so beautiful, the biodiversity that you can create with just within that species.

1:18:44SpeakerI just keep telling us, really, it's like we're only limited by our imagination, you know, because we can grow, we can do so much with what you're capable if you have a piece of land. And you really are. It's like garbage. It depends on your interest. And you really are only limited by what you can really create and conceive. And that's when we smoke in a joint really great.

1:19:06SpeakerIt comes in. You can go sit in your garden and ideas just come and flow. And like one of ours is right now, our other income source and that we are really loving is teaching. We are doing some education. We have a new class, another class coming up. On April 16th, we have fun weekend that we're going to do because it's Easter weekend. And so we're going to do a depth, in-depth class of like full on going into all the inputs we use for the year of liquid fertilizers, how to make them, the herbal solutions, seed blocks, biochar, lab cultures.

1:19:43SpeakerAnd then we're going to end it with a lot of DEM farmer talks. And then some celebration with music and dancing and getting up the next day doing some ganja yoga. And then we're going to do some adult and kid Easter egg hunts. But it's going to be a fun weekend. But this is one thing that we are really enjoying doing is events. And in May, we have a sesh coming up, a private event.

1:20:10Speakerwhere we're able to do you know a lot of different things underneath that and allow people to gather and come together and this is something that's just really dear to our hearts right now and that we're really enjoying creating these fun places for us all to gather and stay in a safe way and also be able to help ourselves make money right now and our farms survive and so that that's yeah that's one of our important fun things that we're doing we have a lot like that we We are creating right now that we're going to keep close, but just know like on our land here, we're going to be opening it up soon to classes and workshops and private events and healing and courses and, you know, whatever our imagination kind of comes up with and that we all, you know, are aligned.

1:20:55SpeakerAnd Tamara has some amazing products that she makes there. I have like half a dozen of them on my shelves. And she was sweet enough to send Molly some postpartum stuff. And yeah, she does amazing value-added products. I mean, and one of the things that- I have to agree with you, Daniel. I've tried some of the skincare. I love them. Thank you. And that, that elixir that I, oh, the Echinacea one.

1:21:22SpeakerYes. It's CBD. So good. I mean, this is, this is why I went legal, you know? Just genetics. You know, I remember when Prop 64 passed and I looked at what we could do. I called my dad up. I was like, dad, we got to do it. They're going to let us flower out 5K square foot for seed production. Like we've been waiting our whole lives for this.

1:21:43SpeakerThe rest has been a total shit show. And, you know, the whole time.

1:21:49SpeakerAnd yeah, that's my, you know. I've been packing some seeds up right now. I do it at night. I do it in the winter. It's definitely my part-time job that became the only money that I really saw this winter, you know, was from seed sales. And, you know, without that, I would have had to, you know, gone to work for somebody else to get through the winter.

1:22:13SpeakerAnd yeah, it's been such a blessing. And I'm converting some of the farm to a little more seed production.

1:22:23SpeakerThis is what I've been working on this new moon. This is, I'm converting a 40 plot garden to auto flower seed production. So those are partial auto flowers. So 25, they're expressing 25% auto flowering and I'll be doing three types of autos per bed, but one breeder. And if I'm successful, I'll make 120 new auto flower hybrids and I'm excited. I'm growing some haze from Noble, from Golden Fig Gardens.

1:22:58SpeakerThat's one of the ones that we're going there. And yeah, we've been planting. We have a lot of fruit trees, a lot of food, but the drought's been so hard on us as a mountain farm. You know, I don't have the rain catchment and storage that I need to farm in a drought. So You know, we'll look forward to in the future to be able to increase that so that I can really dial in, you know, more of the polyculture.

1:23:22SpeakerAnd just, I got a lot of holes to fill in for, you know, the rest of my life once we get a little more water. And this is Serafina. Oh, baby.

1:23:43SpeakerChad, did you want to say something? I saw you coming in. Sure, yeah, I'm like-minded with you all here about diversity. It's just like our production is all about diversity, but our company kind of needs to be too, our business mindset. And that's the more diverse, the more balanced and the more stable. And so that's something we're really focused on too. We do a lot of mushroom production.

1:24:10SpeakerWe've got about 10,000 plugs going right now. Rishi, Lion's Mane, Shiitake, and some big hoogles. We did some land clearing, so we made use of that lumber. It's about our big one we call the wall. It's about 150 feet and about 17 feet high. It's sort of a Sepp Holzer kind of take off massive hugel bed. We do a lot of food production in that mostly for our staff and ourselves at this point.

1:24:40SpeakerThe big idea though is to here in Canada, if you can make 10,000 a year in traditional agriculture, because of course cannabis isn't considered agriculture for some crazy reason. Then you can claim farm status. So we've been working towards that every year, adding more and more. And just building more and more gardens. The value added line, the product line is super key. So that's where we make our profit.

1:25:06SpeakerThe biomass market right now is really a tough situation. So I think it's super important to diversify into value added products if it's possible. Because that's actually what's going to add stability to the company long term. We're having something else we're doing. We're working with our community here. We have this thing called the Rose Buddy Program. We're finding micros shutting down all over the place right now because of that issue with trying to sell biomass on a saturated market.

1:25:37SpeakerAnd there's not a lot of interest in small lots because a processor takes on more risk in that scenario. They'd rather just buy a big lot, a thousand kilos. So the people that are getting it the harshest are the micros and they're the ones that need it the most because they have such a small amount of biomass for sale. So what we're doing is we're providing genetics.

1:25:57SpeakerOne of our strains we're really excited about this really acclimatized well to our region and support. We do a regenerative slash health Canada, Canada revenue, just support call once a week or excuse me, every second week, just to kind of navigate through all these things. And then the idea is, although we're still not quite there yet, is to buy the biomass back from these farmers at a fair market value.

1:26:23SpeakerAnd we'll put that into our own product line. We can't, of course, we can't do this regenerative on mass scale. And so in order to get into the stores, we need more biomass. We've capped our site at a fairly small footprint to keep that regenerative and high quality craft. And in fact, craft is a new category here in Canada too. We're pretty excited to have a lot of input on the creation of that category.

1:26:47SpeakerBut that's another opportunity to help us survive in this market as small producers. So yeah, some of the other things we're really just keep looking at stacking functions, diversifying. What I'm actually excited about a bit away is tea. One of our guild, one of our support species, we do a lot of mint, do a lot of chamomile. And so it already makes sense, stacking functions, there it is.

1:27:12SpeakerWe could just turn it into a tea. We do dehydrating and freeze drying. And we could do an infused tea to the processor. And so just, yeah, looking at your land, what you have available and trying to incorporate that for the littlest amount of effort into one more resource to contribute to the livelihood of the farm.

1:27:40SpeakerVery cool, man.

1:27:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell said. Thanks, friends. I love what you're doing. It's important what you're doing up here, Shay, and people really appreciate you and all the Rose buddies are all You know, part of our family and stuff. And peer certified too. And I think that we'll probably do more of these task churches with other peer certified farms that, you know, aren't on here now so they can tell their story as well.

1:28:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut I also think that some regen camps would be good at your spot, you know, for this area, for British Columbia, because there's not a lot of that up here. And the borders are not really open yet, you know, to all travelers. So, you know, it's pretty smart for us to do something, you know, in our bioregion.

1:28:25SpeakerAnd I want to continue talking about regenerative practices like farming too. Oh, I didn't want to cut you off. Go ahead, Shay. You had something to say. I'd just be all into that. Like this diversity overlaps beyond our business, but into our community. And that's really the big picture. Like this plant is a power plant. It's super duper key and important, but it's just one plant, but it's part of a big closed loop system, which is our community, small and large, you know, our world community.

1:28:53SpeakerSo if we can do things here to support people, to support themselves and support their community, just like regenerative classes, but food production and, you know, all of the things, all of the things and how they all connect together. Body, mind and soul, you know, from meditation and how you take care of yourself to how you take care of your land. And how you take care of your community.

1:29:15SpeakerThat's really what this is all about. And I'm super excited that we're all joining together and we have beautiful place like where we live to demonstrate these things, to actually not just talk about them, but demonstrate them. And collectively, we all have our niches. We all have our powers and we can show our one or two or five amazing things we've done that the next farm hasn't.

1:29:35SpeakerBut so collectively, we can demonstrate a better world pretty easy. In my opinion, I'm stoked to be part of that.

1:29:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMe and Craig were just talking about that the other day, how much we've all vibed off each other over all these years. And I've just seen everyone's farm just come up, including our own. We've been doing this a long time and all that, 16 years now on this farm, a lot of bounty. But every single time I have a conversation with someone, I feel like I pick up something important.

1:30:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, communication.

1:30:11SpeakerI have something I'd like to address. The chat, there was someone that said that they have a hard time getting seeds. Well, that would be a great time to address this right now because we do have a breeder on the panel, lots of breeders on this panel that I know, and they all ship seeds all over the world, I think. So reach out, DM them. They probably can't do it through Instagram.

1:30:34SpeakerYou probably have to do it through email. There's different weird things going on with that. So you guys reach out and get to know people. Like I was just at an amazing seed swap. Kush Kirk put on this amazing event with some amazing hash. Seed Swaps, the amazing Dempure family was there just putting on this event. Joey and Tamara, they put on them all over. Seeds are everywhere.

1:30:58SpeakerThey're gifting them. You bring seeds, you can gift them to people, you can sell them. There's like so much going on. So seeds aren't hard to find. You just really have to make a little bit of effort to get out there and get to know people. It takes a little effort if you want things. And you just got to do it. And literally, you know, Sierra's parents, the Peach Orchard team, they are literally selling packs of beans for 20 bucks at the seed swap.

1:31:28SpeakerAlso giving out free... Snodgrass family genetics. Yes, yes. Giving out free lettuce seeds and flower seeds. Like that's what it's about. It's about uniting and getting together as a family and sharing. I love it. Thanks everyone for being here today. And, you know, like Duke said earlier, though, watch out for the scammers. There's so many scammers out there. Like, you know, if you're following someone, look at the tag section on Instagram.

1:31:57SpeakerThese scammers can't fake this, you know, not very well. It'll be maybe one of their own other scam pages. But, you know, I'm sure if you pulled up Duke's page or my page, like Pride Aligned Seeds, you would see people growing our gear, pissing about that gear. So, you know, just be careful out there when you're approaching someone on Instagram to get seeds. Watch for the scammers.

1:32:21SpeakerYeah, I do. Do you do diligence? You know, like Tara was saying, like, you can find them all over the place. But do you do diligence? Make sure like you're getting stuff from people like, you know, their hearts in it. They're not just like some fly by night company just putting A and B together. And here you go here. See, they don't really care about your garden or anything else i just i just want some money so do you do diligence um you know stick to those reputable people that are you know putting in the work showing the love and um that that really is going to translate to your garden because um you know from your soil your inputs and everything your environment that's that's part of it but you know Um, you're going to be able to hit genetic potential, you know, to the, to the best of your ability with, with all those things, but you can have everything to the nines, you know, but if the genetics aren't there, you're, you're not gonna, you're not gonna do well.

1:33:23SpeakerYou're going to have a bad time. And, uh, especially, If you're newer, newer to growing, maybe it's your first time, stuff like that kind of sometimes it'll deter people away from, you know, growing their own and everything. And that's that's that's kind of sad, too. So just make sure that you do your due diligence and go that route. And then, you know, we were just talking about, like, you know, your businesses, you know, and certain people.

1:33:52SpeakerIt's their livelihood, like that's what they do for a living. It's not like, you know, the guy's working wherever and at nighttime he just chuck seeds together and cause it good. There's people like myself, like that's what I do for a living, you know, I got other things I do as well. I do a little bit of engineering, a little bit of design work for people if they need it, solar arrays, you know, smart controllers, you know, for greenhouses, like Kind of like custom stuff like that.

1:34:21SpeakerAlso the educational thing, and then the seed thing, and then getting the soil put together too. Cause like something I noticed with Josh and Kelly, like y'all, I would tell people like this is how you grow all this stuff like you can put this together and make your own you know ready green and you know your fat flowers and like you can do this but you know you got somebody living in the city like they they can't do it or some people just don't have the time or whatever so the product's available you can get it from you Michelle and I had a problem with the sharing of that you know you know we're like so awesome about just uh teaching people and you know just like you know saw some things so uh I've always told people like, yeah, here's how you mix this all, yada, yada.

1:35:08SpeakerBut, you know, I'm like, I don't have room for that. Or, man, it seems like a lot of work. So I figured, hey, for those folks, you know, take a tip from Josh and Kelly, make it available to people, you know. Otherwise, you know, they can just make their own. So that's kind of what I'm doing for my multiple revenue streams, like the Saturday business folks say.

1:35:39SpeakerI, I, the way how I grow, I always make sure that I'm collecting my own seeds, not just from the cannabis, of course, but also from everything else of the vegetables. And of course, I noticed, as you, Bobby, did too, your own seeds are always much more full of life. They come up and like almost 100%.

1:36:03SpeakerFor me, it's also super important that people know how to grow their own food. It doesn't matter how, whether it's in a farm or in a small space. Years and years ago I was told to make sure to educate people that they are growing their own food because we will come to a point where that will be not available anymore and we see that already how it happened but it's now through the virus what happened but I also know it from my family in Germany Thank you for joining us.

1:36:49SpeakerBut also the nature itself tells already it's a diversity. It's not only one thing. And in my many years of growing gardens, there's always something that doesn't turn out and something else that turns out much better. The way of nature saying, hey, this year you need much more beets or you need much more beans, blah, blah, blah. But what I wanted to ask you, do you have any experience of keeping your seeds long-terms?

1:37:24SpeakerAre you including the cannabis, of course, but also other seeds? Are you just put them into a cold storage or do you have any experience with freezing the seeds? Yeah, absolutely.

1:37:41SpeakerOne thing that like it was like a common mistake was people were starting to put things in a freezer way too early, right? There's still moisture there and it's causing that expansion to pop, you know, and it kind of kind of messes you up. So just ensure that everything is super, super, super dry. I do that with the seeds before I pack them up and everything like they're getting six to eight weeks.

1:38:09SpeakerExtreme dry time. I don't I don't bundle things up like I've seen some people put them all in a jar right away. That's that's no good. So like a turkey pan, you know, or whatever you got something that's not going to hold moisture and lay them all out nice and nice and flat and making sure that they got that good long dry time. Once you're once you're good and dry.

1:38:35SpeakerSo from pollen to seeds and everything, I personally, I like to break everything down into like what I'm going to use. So instead of putting, you know, 500 or 100 or whatever seeds together, I'm looking like, what is a single use for me? Like, what would I be taking out to use that way? I'm not bringing the whole bulk in and out of the freezer, you know, condensation and everything can happen too.

1:39:00SpeakerSo, um, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler,

1:39:26SpeakerRespectably, in the near future, I like just a refrigerator. Refrigerator does good for like what you know you're going to be getting into. And then the freezer for long term. And then you're kind of like replicating that stratification you would see out in nature anyway with, you know, you know, summer going into fall, winter, and then back to spring. And I've always had real, real good results like that.

1:39:53SpeakerAnd how long do you think can a seed last in a freezer? Oh, really, really long time. I know somebody brought up AK Bean Brains at the beginning of the show. He's a good friend of mine. You know, he had stuff in there at well over 20 years and broke them out and germinated them and, you know, no problem. Yeah, it definitely keeps them, keeps them, keeps them well.

1:40:22SpeakerLike I said, the trick is, You know, keeping it, keeping it like that, you know, so, and like he hasn't moved, you know, he's been living in the same place forever. So that makes it easy too. But once you got it frozen, you know, keep it frozen until you need what you need. And when you're storing, just make sure that you're putting in there like sizable, like what you, what you need and not going, you know, back in and out.

1:40:46SpeakerAnd yeah, that's pretty much it. And a nice container, you know, something freezer safe, you know, and, uh, Yeah, you're good to go and label everything accordingly. I like to put dates on things so you kind of, you know, have an idea. That's great. Thank you. And I think that's also a good information for everyone else because when I do, like, I did my own carrot seeds.

1:41:12SpeakerIt was amazing. But I have so much, of course, from one little plant to get abundance. So to keep it, because carrot seeds also can be really quickly not be viable. So I will put all those into little packages and then have your own seed security. Yeah, absolutely. And if you go to like a place that sells like beads and things like that, normally they have like little small containers that are good.

1:41:46SpeakerOr if you can find like the vials or something like that, that's cool too. But yeah, you can find like little small packages to keep your stuff in. And there was a place I used to order my bags from my seed packs. Like you can get like the friendly biodegradable bags too. You know, you can take it up, take it up a notch. It's got the little green seal on it and everything.

1:42:10SpeakerAnd they're like the same price as a normal plastic baggie or whatever. So yeah, that'd definitely help. And like, that's a good mindset to have because the way things are, Aaron Ward- going you know um it used to be like so like my father he grew up through the great depression and everything farmer and all. Aaron Ward- And that was always instilled from the early on, growing vegetables and some fruit trees and canning things for the winter like that's kind of like what we did.

1:42:42SpeakerAaron Ward- And then, when I traveled around and got away from there it's like wow nobody else really does this, you know so it's it's good, and you know if you're running a farm. um hell man like you if you can cut costs you know because like you know bringing monies in but saving money is even better and you know if you can grow your own food you know you're not you know spending out you know and canning things and You know, go to farmer's markets, sell you jellies and jams.

1:43:14SpeakerPeople are talking about your teas and everything. Then you're, you know, cutting costs on, you know, living in general. So it's always a great way to make some money. That and efficiency, you know. Yeah. I like to recycle things, meaning I reuse other things. Terry always has his supplements into his little plastic bag.

1:43:37SpeakerSo I put my seats in there and ride it on. That's the way how my recycle works. And maybe put a little something in to make sure it's not getting moist in that. I understand that. Thank you. Nice. Katie and Rio, I saw you guys were wanting to say something, but Rio walked out. Katie, did you want to jump in? So I have a question because someone asked in chat in our chat here about freeze drying seeds.

1:44:06SpeakerLike maybe that's a good topic to talk about. Does anybody know about that? No, no, don't freeze dry seeds. You can't freeze dry seeds. No, it makes them inviolable. Mushroom spores, I think, is the only thing that you can like freeze dry and relive that I know of. You just want to replicate what the plant is going to do in its ultimate optimal conditions and for it to come back year after year, just like Duke was saying, you know, you really want to dry that out.

1:44:34SpeakerSo I know for us, we've been doing some secondary things. We just got involved in all the Saturday markets. We've done Saturday markets in years past. And this year we decided that we were going to jump in and do All Saturday markets and get our crew on making sure to get you know our salads and and some secondary product you know whatever we've got excess in the garden because so much of it goes to our chickens so much of it goes to our compost that we really want to make a really concerted effort because we also put away a lot so because we have so much abundance I also really want to talk to people who have abundance on their farms is to let's start hooking up with people who can take it to market because so much of it is just being composted.

1:45:27SpeakerAnd there's a lot of youthful people that want to be involved in this regenerative culture. So, you know, people who want to get a hold of people who are growing foods and say, hey, if you all are wasting any, we'd like to come out once a week and get that to market or get it to the homeless. I know that everybody is seeing what's going on. We have more homeless people in North America, in the world than ever.

1:45:51SpeakerIt is absolutely insane. And to know that regenerative farms have access. This is also where licensing just makes me so fucking pissed off. Is that there's cannabis that's even being like burned because it's worth more to be composted than it is to get out to the homeless because of licensing. Silly stuff. Education. Let's go. Actually, it's actually worth more to donate it than it is to destroy it because you can you can donate it for the maximum value of that.

1:46:25SpeakerAnd it's a tax write off. Well, that's smart. So you can donate it and get it to these people. Yeah. Well, that's people who are even, you know, in a license or people who are not, are trying to get licensed and can't even get it to a processor to get it out or have that. I've seen people like burning it on Instagram or just throw it on the yard.

1:46:47SpeakerI think that's more just like, you know, those people who burn sports jerseys because someone got traded to another team, you know, it's like, I don't quite, yeah. I don't know you know honestly we've definitely composted a tremendous amount you know in the past maybe because you know whatever and and just in years and years and years you look at like our outdoor crops from a long time ago and changes in markets and changes in politics and just you know when you're in the industry for Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:47:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think that vinegars and alcohol are something that we could really look into making more of. I mean, vinegar is really easy to make and it's a really useful extract for medicines. Even psychedelic mushrooms can be extracted with vinegars and It's really healthy for you. It's a fermentation that lasts throughout the winter. You can clean with it. I think having your own still, what legality is whatever, having your own still makes all the sense in the world.

1:48:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou're making your own alcohol. You're making your own tinctures. Now you're making your own medicine. There's a reason why it was made illegal. It's too useful. Anything that's been made illegal, start learning about it. That's what you should be doing. Because there's the whole point is it's empowering you and that's not what they want. So this is an empowerment step.

1:48:42SpeakerYeah.

1:48:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLearning how to make alcohol is very useful.

1:48:46SpeakerAnd vinegar is like.

1:48:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNow CNN is going to take that one little clip.

1:48:49SpeakerAmazing.

1:48:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey already forgot about a story.

1:48:58SpeakerAs long as we're talking about the ethers, I want to bring in the way I've been gardening the last year just to kind of put a little bit of an icing on this lovely cake that we're fucking making together. Oh, no cussing in church. I'm sorry. I have been so...

1:49:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI just want to say real quick, this is not that kind of church. So you can do whatever you want. I don't remember taking hits at church either. So let's take some hits on that note. Go ahead.

1:49:29SpeakerOh my God. You guys, I've been going super deep on web three. All right. I've been I've got this like not only do we have to shift value and add value and build value and come together in these beautiful ways, but like we need to change our governance. We need to change the way we understand our culture. We need to understand the way we understand We don't have to, we don't have to find our community.

1:49:57SpeakerWe have to be able to key in with the community that we already have and really get, you know, just heartfelt established in that and support each other. And the Web3 stuff is so cool. So anything you want to know about it, the NFT stuff is amazing. It's not just about products. It's about It's about contracts. It's about relationships. And it's about gaining our creativity back so we can start articulate what it is to own our own, not only like data, but like our own livelihood and to come together in livelihood overlays.

1:50:35SpeakerLike there's just such elegance out there. There's a lot of people doing amazing work. So just get in touch with me if you want to know anything about it. I'm about to save my farm. Through this articulate, contractual beauty thing that's going to help every other farm in trouble. So anyone who wants to play with me in that field, come play because we're going to do festivals together.

1:50:58SpeakerWe're going to do all this stuff that we're going to know what each other's doing. We're going to be able to travel to see each other. I get to have a meal train if I want and come up to Canada and see everybody. That's all I have to say.

1:51:14SpeakerAaron Ward- Weren't you, did you go to the hot springs for that seed swap? Aaron Ward- The other, what was it, last weekend or weekend before? Michelle Magyar- Oh, I haven't really, haven't really ventured out. I've been stuck to my screen for a year, but meanwhile working hard and it's been amazing. Aaron Ward- Yeah, you said like you were out around Creston. Oh, I was at Crestone.

1:51:37SpeakerI know a lot of people in Crestone. Yeah, we should talk, dude, because you're in the state. Yeah, I was over in Moffitt, and then the next day I went to Joyful Journey, and they had a seat swap there. Oh, I was there that week, though. Oh, that's hilarious. We were in Crestone at the same time. Yeah, yeah. I actually lived in Crestone for, or Moffitt for a little bit, too.

1:51:59SpeakerOh, right on. Yeah, I was literally just there. And I was like, I know this person. I've seen the face or whatever. Josh and Kelly did.

1:52:15SpeakerWhat's that? Colorado too? Josh and Kelly. We did.

1:52:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe lived in a steamboat. We lived in a steamboat. We and Kelly drove to Costa Rica and back in a Volkswagen bus in 1994. And when we came back from Costa Rica, we took our stuff from Guatemala and sold it in Boulder on the street and got a house in a steamboat.

1:52:35SpeakerWe got a sweet condo at the base in But the weed wasn't good enough at that time. We had to bail.

1:52:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe had to go grow it ourselves. I couldn't work in Steamboat Springs because I had earrings and long hair. So at first, I tried putting my hair up.

1:52:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd taking my earrings out. And I even passed the weed test because I did the niacin and a bunch of golden seal. And I passed the weed test. And then I was like, you know what? Fuck this. They're going to see me with long hair afterwards. They're going to fire me. So I just did construction all year in 25 below weather.

1:53:12SpeakerBut we left because the weed wasn't that great then. We had to go.

1:53:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe used to call it the Rocky Mountain High. For some reason, it was all schwag weed and steamboat at the time. It was all Mexican. So we were sending out this purple kush at the time from Southern Oregon, which was like the craziest, I don't know if anyone remembers the purple cush from like the late 80s and 90s. I don't know why purple cush. You don't really see it.

1:53:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe real purple cush. In the same way. No one goes like, dude, check out my purple cush. But back in the day, like that was some of the most skunky, gnarly shit in Southern Oregon.

1:53:50SpeakerAnd we were sending it out to Colorado, you know, and then it was just getting too crazy.

1:53:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut Craig, were you in steam? Where were you at in Colorado?

1:54:00SpeakerYeah, I was in Steamboat in 92 to 94. So I left right before you guys got there. And yeah, the herb was all right. There was a couple folks that had a little something, something going on. And produce some decent herb, but for the most part it was garbage. Steamboat was more about blow back then. It was kind of crazy what type of town it was. And the kind of the gray cloud that would hang over it because of that, right?

1:54:31SpeakerBut yeah, I'm glad Colorado got the herb scene figured out a little bit better for the sake of the population in all these rural mountain towns. It's not easy to grow cannabis here. It's not easy to grow anything in Colorado, to be perfectly honest. I mean, unless you're going to dig up and replace and do ridiculous things to make it like limp along until suddenly you hit such imbalances.

1:54:57SpeakerYou're like, oh my God. And then you have these differentials in temperature that really literally swing 60 degrees and you've got no season like the next season. And I'm trying to naturalize cannabis here and I've been doing it for seven years and I actually asked Duke a question at one of his seed panels and he gave me such support and just because I was scared of what I was doing.

1:55:22SpeakerBut I've got little babies coming up there every out there every year and every year I get surprised by some little anomaly and I just keep throwing genetics at it. Craig gave me a little bag of something at the Regen Conference, so that's making its way out there. So anyway, that's my crazy. Now I remember. Now I remember. Endo Expo. Yep. Yep, that's when it was.

1:55:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTamara, did you have a thing to add?

1:55:53SpeakerWe were talking about tinctures and alcohols and shrugs and vinegars and self-reliance and you wanted to talk. Tamara, did you want something to say? Do you have something to say?

1:56:08SpeakerI kind of don't remember now. But there's always something to say on self-reliance. And I mean, that's definitely one thing I have wanted to achieve here is like the apple vinegars. And that's why like behind us, we have the apple tree. And it's a few years old. You know, I planted in 2017. We have another and every year we're getting more and more. But it's like with those fruit trees, you have real abundance.

1:56:32SpeakerThat's like get your fruit trees in first. That's one tip that I always like to tell people who are just getting land or you've had land for a while, just like the best time to plant a fruit tree is now. And you got any more, you got any new products you're excited about tomorrow? Oh, I have a few. Let's see. I've got the herbal syrup, which I started doing.

1:56:54SpeakerAnd that's the one where it's, I've got, let's see, it's nettle, forest hill, Rose hips, echinacea, burdock root, and dandelion root. And then I've mixed that together with some local honey that we have. And the local honey has some of our CBD infused into it. And that CBD is coming from the RSO that we create. And so that's infused into the honey. Then the honey gets infused into this really strong decoction of all these herbs.

1:57:26SpeakerAnd then in that goes an ounce of or half an ounce of like California poppy. I do the whole plant poppy tincture. And then I do a whole plant dandelion tincture that goes in that as well. So those are like some of my favorite things I've been creating lately that and I do a two to one with THC to CBD and then the high CBD of like 500 milligrams.

1:57:53SpeakerAnd so then I'm working on a facial line right now where it's like I have the exfoliant, a nice sugar scrub, and then you have your facial oil cleanser. Then you have your facial oil. And also in between that, you have your rose hydrosol. And then there is a cream I'm working on that it's also going to be really good for farmers and just as a protectant.

1:58:19SpeakerSo like if we have sun issues or just anything for it, it's just like a skin food. So for my goal and anything I'm doing is for it to like, not just like kind of work, but for it to like really work and for there to be like true medicine for our skin, for our body, So those are what I really enjoy playing with and created Heal Thyself Gardens product line to be able to expand as I expand and grow and add products with it.

1:58:50SpeakerAnd the more abundance that we have with our herbs as we keep growing our gardens here, the more abundance we have, the more the product line can grow and the more ideas come. And yeah, thanks for asking that. And Craig, you know, we were talking earlier about your farm and we were wanting to know, you didn't say when you introduced what varietals that you're going to be running this year and why.

1:59:18SpeakerI know that you're working with some really amazing extracts and I just wanted to know, you know, what are you running? Yeah, we made a conscious decision a few years back to really, with what we opened up the show with, with like Appalachians and having that taste of terroir, really, you have to really start thinking about what your goal is. And that was for us to grow resin and to produce hash with that.

1:59:52SpeakerAnd not only produce hash, But we also wanted to keep the regenerative mindset or regenerative practices moving forward. So we partnered with Nasha Extracts right here in Humboldt County. Baron Lutz is the owner and operator of that. And we wanted to bring forward nothing fresh frozen. We didn't want to have all these regenerative practices to plug a condenser into it until it's consumed. And have it plugged into the grid.

2:00:25SpeakerSo Baron is so supportive of trying to push this forward through the entire California market where we just released a black box series and it is our farm cured resin. And that's been great success. And the cultivar we used was Guava Gift. And we worked with GreenSource Gardens. And one thing with going with the Guava Gift, you know, Uh, when you're producing for resin, you know, you could go with a GMO, which would be like an industrial standard, and it's going to produce amazing clear resin, and it's going to return it, you know, over 20%, blah, blah, blah.

2:01:09SpeakerBut then you have these outliers. Right. And the guava gift came through and produced between 17 and 18 percent. So it still produces well, but it has the terpene profile, the richness, the depth that some of these more mainstream cultivars don't have. So it's important to support these breeders that are pushing the the the boundaries and trying to pull We're going to have to get these trichomes out of these deeper lines and not just grab a GMO and do some pollen chucking like Duke was saying here and to go deep into their vaults and pull some of these land races out and start going for those waxier trichomes so we can do some extraction around that.

2:02:00SpeakerAnd to be truthful, that's really what has been a differentiator for our farm is number one, going deep into our regenerative practices and not scaling. We learned that scaling is really failing and finding that perfect model for how many people actually live on your farm. And that's kind of how big of a footprint you can have. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're going to get started in about a minute or so.

2:02:50SpeakerAnd, you know, industrial footprint on the farm when you can just utilize what's out your front door. But I think for us, like I said, it's the choosing of the cultivars and working within the network to find what really works. And the other thing that really surprises a lot of folks when we talk about our farm in particular and our model is we're only 10,000 square feet.

2:03:15Speaker75% of that is all from seed, sun grown, you know, full season. And then, and from seed, I forgot if I mentioned that. And then the second component is 25% of our farm, the 2,500 square feet is light depth. But I should say it's, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:04:02SpeakerWe've learned with that second run that, and especially when you start growing for resin, you've got enough going on, especially with 75% of our production being seed grown, sun grown. And that takes up a lot of time, that time of year. So we like having that last or second round of depth, even though we're not depping it,

2:04:30SpeakerWe're just really monitoring the resin and when that's ready for the peak production and the most flavor and the best for extraction. So those are a little bit, you know, that kind of ties into a little bit of what we were talking about earlier on. What we can do on the farm. And I want to tie in one other piece to what we can do on the farm to revenue stream.

2:04:56SpeakerYou know, I made brief mention that we did some activism and activism brought, you know, over $4 million, four weeks of work, $4 million didn't have to leave our pockets in our Humboldt County, you know, farmer network. And sometimes when we're dealing with such a parasitic So, we're going to be talking about how to protect ourselves from those parasites. So, the other thing we're doing is we're doing a lot of just self-education on how to do some of our own compliance work and maintenance.

2:05:32SpeakerThere's so many things we have to do with the water board and all these documents and websites and attachments and crazy, crazy, crazy stuff that can save us Aaron Wiggins, Loads and loads of money on the yearly so it's not always about how you can generate greenbacks and and sell something, but how you can save and conserve and and work with each other to get rid of a lot of the parasites in the supply line.

2:06:00SpeakerI just have to say, Craig, I just love listening to you. You always speak so well. And I had the privilege of going to Craig's farm and it is amazing. Amazing. And is that the hash that I got to smoke? The one that you're talking about? I think so. Yeah.

2:06:18SpeakerYeah, fire, fire. I have smoked some amazing fire and that was amazing fire. Thank you for the privilege and the honor to visit your farm. And thank you, Josh and Kelly, because through you, I have met this amazing family and continues, it continues to grow. So thanks. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much for that, Tara. And, and I really want to shine light on, on, on Aaron's work at Nasha, right?

2:06:43SpeakerLike in a, in a California market right now when fresh frozen is like it and it's got to be purple gas and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's not interested in that. You know, he's in over 300 shops just doing this farm cured resin. And how important that is. If you guys check out our Instagram at alpenglowfarm707, you can see some of these melt shots of the guava gift.

2:07:08SpeakerAnd it's just this beautiful amber. And one thing with, you know, Res, uh, farm cured rosin. And, uh, you do get down the supply line as it goes out, you will get a little haze over it and there's nothing to fret there. You know, it, it gets a little buttered looking, but the flavor and the terps are solid. So as a regular hash smoker, I only dab.

2:07:39SpeakerThere is a big difference between live and cured and what you're talking about. That cured, all that really gets, someone really has a hard time dabbing and they're like constantly coughing. And that's the thing that they really hate about it. Cause I find as I go through the communities and I talk to people about dabbing, they're like, God, I just hate that coughing. And I feel like I can't breathe.

2:08:01SpeakerAnd I'm like, well, first of all, you're taking too big of a dab, but you know, bring that back. But, you know, that cured stuff that you're talking about, it's off gas, all that really, really, you know, costing. The monoterpenes you're talking about. Yeah. Monoterpenes are what give you the harvest hack. Yeah. Thank you. And I think so people, if you, if you get a chance to try them both, they're, they're definitely is different.

2:08:25SpeakerThere's a difference there. So yeah, Tara, one thing, one thing that we actually just had the conversation with Baron, we're going to be doing a side-by-side. So we're, we're actually going to do a batch of fresh frozen. Um, Not to uplift that market so much, but to just really get some data points around a side by side. Here's the same cultivar grown in the same farm, you know, kind of do our own challenge here and get the data points from the testing and consumers.

2:08:57SpeakerSo that's a really exciting and it's going to be a white box. So we have the white box, black box.

2:09:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, that's super sweet. And I really, it's an amazing point that activism can be something that adds to your profit at the end of the year. You know, especially in Canada, it's really, it's really hard. Shay knows. I mean, there's a lot of taxes. Everyone's, there's something that everyone's. So yeah, just saying that's what we're going to do at this Canada Summit coming up is talk about, you know, Thank you.

2:09:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:09:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhich makes it to where you can't actually get true herbal medicine to the market in many cases.

2:10:02SpeakerUm, so we're trying to maybe doing it, but it is very difficult, but he's doing it through this and topicals and, and always trying to make the way through the market, you know, so I just, and I don't know if maybe someone can speak about the California market and the sense of testing, like just testing for human

2:10:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it seems ridiculous that we are still having this conversation. But all the weeds.

2:10:44SpeakerWe're still having this conversation while we're still having this conversation because the other side, the corporate entity doesn't want to grow good, beautiful, healthy, medicinal, taste good, make you feel good, make you be able to elevate your mindscape. All of these things are what legacy farmers, regenerative farmers are creating that Thank you for joining us today.

2:11:27SpeakerWe're talking about regenerative soil growing a plant.

2:11:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we're talking about regenerative products to the people. It doesn't make any sense to grow everything regenerative and then have to gamma radiate your weed in order to get it to the consumer. My question to you all, what advice do you have to Canada and Canadian policymakers having to do with gamma radiation, All of these things are part of microbe testing and making it to where people can sell to consumers.

2:11:59SpeakerWell, we don't even have the ability to put your logo. You can say where it's from, but say like Shay can't say all of the different farms that he gets. All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:12:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:12:43SpeakerWe're going to go hand to hand because we're going to go hand to hand and we're doing it anyway. We're going to be doing trade hand to hand through these relational networks that blockchain makes available to us, by the way. We get to write our own contracts. And if I say that my I'm going to be supported through my ecosystem and then my ecosystem is going to be nested within a larger ecosystem.

2:13:11SpeakerAnd everything is linked by that. And it's relational. And I do business with you because I know you and I see you and I love you. We're doing it anyway. So if you all want to get on with the program and be loving humans on this planet, then officials, can you kindly with great heart, listen to us because we're speaking the language of earth and we have good news.

2:13:34SpeakerWe can feed each other and have abundant thriving lives. And that's exactly what I would say to them.

2:13:44SpeakerThat and you can kind of back all that up too. It's like, you know, hit them with just like the pure message from the heart and the common sense approach. But, you know, having like, you know, white papers and actual like scientific stuff and back it up and don't give them a dictionary. Highlight, excerpt parts, put it together, well-formulated. For a dummy that works in the government to understand because you're not always the sharpest folks.

2:14:12SpeakerSo you make it easy, spoon fed, but you cite where you get it from, where it's from and everything. And, you know, and just show like maybe where somehow it would be cost effective to them to eliminate that part. So you're adding like a benefit to them as well, you know, so it's... Full on reciprocal. Everybody's kind of winning. You can cite the facts like, yeah, you're not hurting anybody.

2:14:36SpeakerIn fact, you're helping people and, you know, give it to them in a nice, you know, nice little package that you can just say, here you go on your silver platter. Okay. And then, you know, it's hard to fight, you know, people that are going behind that, you know, from the heart and, you know, just the common sense. Also being backed up by irrefutable, you know, just fucking fact.

2:15:01SpeakerSo you give it to them like that, you know, they'd be hard pressed to tell a group of people. I mean, we're talking about the same people that cut weed illegal, right, that were refuting facts. However, you know, maybe they'll do the right thing. I don't know. That's just my two cents. Well, Definitely one of the biggest hurdles that we have up here in Canada and and it isn't a very good reflection for the for the rest of the world as far as being federally legal is that all of our legislation within the cannabis Thank you for joining us today.

2:15:59SpeakerThose reflections are going to be more towards the pharmaceutical market because it's Health Canada. It's not Ministry of Ag. They're not treating the plants as if it should be something coming out of the ground. We're actually having to fight to get that type of education out that plants come from the ground and that microbials are something that actually help the plant thrive. I have no idea on this sort of left turn that cannabis continues to have as well as plant medicine to dumb it down by isolating it and putting it into pharmaceutical hands.

2:16:39SpeakerWhen we put into pharmaceutical hands, it is no longer medicine. And that is not at all what regenerative practices are.

2:16:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's not what created the legalization to begin with because what created the legalization to begin with was its medicinal qualities.

2:16:56SpeakerAnd so when Craig is talking about all of these amazing values that you get from his sun grown, purely dried, gorgeous rosin from his farm, what you're getting is you're getting secondary metabolites that aren't even registered yet. We don't even have the scientific data. And I loved what you were saying over and over, Craig. You were saying, you know, we're going to get the data on this.

2:17:25SpeakerAnd all I kept thinking was the DABA because you're going to be like dabbing to do it. So you guys are going to be taking the DABA on that one. But. Right now, the data is a grandma joke. Sorry about that. The data on that right now is that it's all taken from indoor. A lot of it is from Israel. Some of it is from Canada, all over the world.

2:17:50SpeakerIt's not sun grown. It's not soil grown. It's not a full balanced, holistic bio that the plant has to even produce These incredible secondary metabolites that haven't even been studied yet. So the data that we're getting is from a totally dumbed down source to begin with.

2:18:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere is new data coming out though that I've seen from different outdoor farmers.

2:18:15SpeakerBut we're having to force that data. It's not like run by governments. It's not run by these ministries that need to jump on board to realize the value of Thank you all so much for joining us today. We're going to take a moment to thank you all for joining us today. We're going to take a moment to thank you all for joining us today. We're going to take a moment to thank you all for joining us today.

2:18:35SpeakerWe're going to take a moment

2:18:55SpeakerYou know, one of the things our group is working on is we always evaluate the new bills coming through and wondering if they make sense for our group to support or not to support. And, you know, I personally not really looking forward to national legalization. Not yet, at least. You know, we're still in a state of California where some of these major cities with three and a half million people don't even have full licensed dispensaries.

2:19:24SpeakerWe don't need to look at Arizona. We don't need to look at these other states and have some sort of pack to sell our products there. I think we need to first work on our home state and move out from there. And that would be the one thing I would probably Um, share with the folks in Canada is to start working with your, your, you know, I don't know your government structure, but your, your county or your providence, and then move out from there.

2:19:48SpeakerBecause the other thing that is going to happen here, at least in this, in this country is, You know, New York is building out. New Jersey's building out. They're going to have massive taxation for my product to come into their state, right? And then there'll be states like Oregon and Nevada and Arizona that will probably want to bring their products into California. You know, that's not so exciting for me.

2:20:13SpeakerSo I think there's something to, you know, Definitely want to get the medicine out. That's not what I'm saying. And we definitely want to share. But what's wrong with experiential cannabis? What's wrong with having the experience when you come to that home state, when you come to these farms and keep more of the fingers out of the parasitic line? Because every time it moves, it's going to be taxed.

2:20:38SpeakerSomebody else is going to try to figure out how to make some more money on it. But let's come as close to the farm To get these products and have these experiences with us. You know, a lot of the conversation we have with Soulful at the dispensary we're partnered with is the dashboard that people use to purchase cannabis right now. You're looking at a menu, you're looking at this percent, that terpene, that.

2:21:04SpeakerIf I was out front, we always joke about this. If I was out front with 11 jars and rolling joints, I'd sell out every single time. Every single time, anywhere I went, I could be the guy selling oranges on the corner down at the bottom of my hill, setting up my weed stand next to him and I'd be sold out. What if we got rid of the lab test?

2:21:26SpeakerWhat if we got rid of You know, looking at a screen to buy your herb, and we had experiential cannabis. So that's where I think like setting up the teepees and going to people's farms, I think that's where it's at. Keep it in the hands of the farmers and keep the support in the regions.

2:21:47SpeakerAnd not only that, as a medical patient, it makes it more accessible for the medical patient and affordable. Less hands involved, less money, less taxes.

2:22:00SpeakerAgro-tainment. Go deep into agro-tainment. Trade route. Yeah, more events too. Like, I love these farmers markets, whether they're legal, whatever, you know. It's all about just bringing the people to the farmer. And that's, yeah, we all sell our own stuff way better. You know, I can sit there and tell you all the things that my products do. And my herb, and I do lots of one-to-ones and different CBD, you know, ratios, but who else is going to tell all that?

2:22:32SpeakerWho else is going to tell the story about how and how all that happened? It gets diluted. Yeah, it gets diluted. It just becomes false too. If you tell the same like big story over and over and it's like all marketed and it's like, yeah, they were supposed to give us time as, you know, legacy farmers to establish ourselves in this, Transitional world that we've been going through and they didn't, you know, they open up the floodgates and now Salinas Valley and places like that are, you know, covered in 50, 75 acre.

2:23:00SpeakerLots of, you know, subpar cannabis that's bottlenecking into the industry and it makes it tough. So, yeah. I think coming together more, we all tighten up. If we have to go under, can we go under? But it's like we do have these events. We create it where we have people can come direct to the farmer and get their, you know, what they want and need and know that it's grown in these beautiful ways.

2:23:26SpeakerAnd then at the same time, having to keep fighting the fight of like pushing regenerative farming and what this does and the data and collecting it and being like here, you know, pushing that. But at the same time, how are we going to make it? So. That's, yeah, I feel like there's a lot of power in gathering together and creating. There's too much of a barrier between the farmer and the consumer.

2:23:48SpeakerWay too much. Talk to a lot of bud tenders, you know, unfortunately, there's not as much of a educational curve involved with it. Something that needs to be handled, I think, a lot more within, you know, the shop industry and retail industry and whatnot. But, yeah. I think that's what DEM's kind of really, you know, beautiful for and what I really love about it, how it's, you know, a peer-to-peer network of people that are on that same wavelength that want to push that out there.

2:24:16SpeakerThat's what attracted me to Dragonfly Earth Medicine in the first place. So educating the people that are directly to the consumers could be able to help that until, you know, we figure out where we're at between county and state even, you know. Yeah, that's powerful. Like just like Craig said, going to TPL, you know, you walk in the garden, you're able to see where things are growing.

2:24:40SpeakerThat's so freaking important. It's so cool to be able to be able to offer something like that too. And it's an experience. Yeah, you used the term to go under again. And I almost like to think of that as grow under, grow under and build those mycelium networks where we start all reaching out. You know, the mycelium is kind of the internet of the earth. And we all call each other when we're in distress, but we also need to call each other when we're doing really well and not be shy of that and feel how we can celebrate our successes as well.

2:25:19SpeakerYeah, absolutely. And like, I know, like, when it comes to my dollar, like, I would much rather go to, like I said, like a farmer's market or any, any type of pop up where people are at. And like I said, get like some salves and some lotions and stuff like this last one I went to, I got like this really cool hand sanitizer. It's all natural and everything's super cool, cheaper than what you get in the store.

2:25:43SpeakerSmells awesome, works great. Just like I mean it could be anything but like I would rather put my money in somebody's hands like that because a lot of the stuff like it is super quality you're getting something better than what you would you know see in like your typical commercial bullshit store and also like I don't like going into stores man like it's just uh weirds me out you know so like farmers markets and stuff like I'm crazy relaxed and if I got a question Normally, I don't even have to ask if people are like willing to share their passion or love and the information and like that's super cool.

2:26:18SpeakerAnd like if I was living like if we were all literally living around each other right now, I know like, you know, you're growing like different types of herbs and you're like you're growing fruits and stuff like that. I'd be buying it up not just to eat, but like I make little ferments and everything and I'm trying to source, you know, good organically grown fruits and everything and making a little turk juice and whatnot.

2:26:40SpeakerUm, but you know, every everything else that surrounds it. And I would tell you, you know, like, if you need, you know, seeds or anything, you know, just holler at your boy. Now, unfortunately, like, we don't all live around each other. However, like we got this, this internet thing, right? And now I know, you know, I'm not sure you know, you all know me. So, you know, don't hesitate.

2:27:03SpeakerLike, we can still, you know, support one another. So, if you need some seeds or something, you know, just let me know. You know, I like to help people that are like out there doing the right thing. If you're doing, you know, medical stuff or helping, you know, sick people, I'm all about that. Helping veterans and everything, I'm all about that. Um, you know, and helping good people.

2:27:24SpeakerSo if you need something, just let me know. Um, more than happy, like I said, donate it to you, man. Like, you know, you know, money's whatever, but you know, um, you know, there's plenty of people out there that buy them just for whatever. And, you know, I'm more than happy to share with y'all. So, uh, if you ever need anything, just, uh, yeah, just give me a holler, you know, can I say something?

2:27:53SpeakerWe're almost like carrying the torch of the back to the land movement. I mean, we are carrying the torch of the back to the land movement. And we talk a lot about landscaping as a garden. You know, we watch these French gardening shows. And the thing that people are transformed by seeing these beautiful flower gardens and these estates, and we're using this back to the land movement values and regeneration as this transformational experience.

2:28:28SpeakerWhere people come here and they come to Craig's farm and they see the mycelium growing in the soil and they're like totally blown away and they're transformed when they go away. And it's like, our life is our message. It's not, we are the land, we are connected. We're living this experience. And when we bring people, it's not like we're some, you know, it's a values war in the cannabis industry at this point.

2:28:58SpeakerIt's deep entrenched values of the back to the land movement and the connected, heartful eco-gardening values And I'm just saying it versus this corporate paradigm that impose these mechanical overlays on our life and fuck that. And when people come visit us, it should be real and it should be like emotional and it should be designed from our heart. That's the transformation I'm going through. It's like, I'm over it.

2:29:37SpeakerI'm, you know. How can we be beneficial organizms on Mother Earth? Exactly. It's like our connection to the land is our message. And the land is an expression of where we are. Rio, could you share, you mentioned it's a values war and Rio actually took this huge community leadership role like maybe six years ago and actually performed a work study and came up with some real data.

2:30:10SpeakerCould you share that, just a snapshot of that? Yeah, I mean, I was trained in mediation and then my job in the local government was We've got a lot of work to do. We've got a lot of work to do. We've got a lot of work to do. We've got a lot of work to do.

2:30:42SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:31:00SpeakerI developed a whole process from my trainings on how to, you know, get everybody to write out sticky notes of what their core values are. And then I got tables to come together with what the table thought was the top 10. And then we go and we put it up on a board in front of the group and everybody voted on their core values and we came up with...

2:31:25SpeakerAnd I think there's a lot of movement right now to do it again and kind of reassess like, hey, are we living our core values? How are we doing compared to like what we were 10 years ago? And like every 10 years we could check in and see if we have that integrity of like, Are we living according to what we feel? And to me, that's happiness.

2:31:52SpeakerIt's like when my core values are aligned, I'm in harmony. But if I'm broken and off of my core, then I'm stressed. So I think that's an important thing is to reassess and stay core and not buy into shit that comes at us Katie's good at that. It's like tune out the bullshit. Don't let shit come in that you don't want in your field. Anyway, but that was a beautiful process.

2:32:27SpeakerAnd thank you. Every year I get better at living my core values. I would love to bring in something I'm just now learning and what you're talking about resonates so deeply with this. I don't know if anyone's like the domination culture versus partnerism. Have you heard of the partnerism thing yet? Oh my god what a beautiful practice and what a beautiful like lens to because I get caught in domination behavior all the time and like to learn that conflict can be redefined is when any two people get together and that literally everything we do is by terms of agreement and also transparency like if we have tensions with each other being able to just voice it in the moment and have this kind of Reciprocity and like being real people together.

2:33:16SpeakerI, I can't wait to practice that in my own community and to have it with my neighbor finally and to have it with my dearest mother who I don't hug often enough, you know, anyway, I just love this community building on this level. Thank you for bringing that. And I think what we're recognizing is that the structures that we were and have been living under and we have been looking for reciprocity, we've been looking for, hey, we're out here.

2:33:48SpeakerWe are now recognizing that not only do they not speak our language, but they don't want to speak our language. They're not interested in speaking our language. There was a pretend fraction of wanting to speak our language so that we could come into, you know, their field of sight. So but the thing is that they don't realize when they're dealing with regenerative farmers is that we've been talking a lot about seeds and we are seeds.

2:34:24SpeakerSo there's that old line, you know, when they try to bury us. No problem. That works for us. Like we can deal with that because what you're doing is you're showing us, you know, how you're going to bury us. And then we're going to be figuring out as a group in our mycelial network where we're going to repopulate and how we're going to repopulate and everything that we're talking about right now.

2:34:50SpeakerBethany Collins, Is the most basic most important fraction of the entire vision like it's actually the hub of the wheel and then all of the spokes go off of that. Like our happiness and our health and our self-love comes from community. It comes from the people around us. And that community is also on a microbial level. And that microbial level is balanced soil that we also come from.

2:35:22SpeakerWe are no different than that. And if we don't have a true running wheel, which means that every single spoke off of it running true, you know, that cog is, is definitely the soil and we're holding that. And so what we're talking about here is something that you can start everywhere. Everywhere. It doesn't matter if you're in downtown freaking New York City. You can get together a group of people to say, hey, how can we get more beehives atop all of the all of the different buildings here?

2:36:01SpeakerHow can we get more farmers markets? What is it that we can do to uplift the frequency that is going to hear us? Thank you so much for joining us.

2:36:26SpeakerThen they actually can no longer hear us and we can no longer hear them. So we have to go where the frequency is the same. And that's going to happen from us recreating the soil and nature vibe as mentor and no longer humans being the mentorship. We just commune around the true the true mentor, which is nature. Sorry, I went off on that rant, but I wanted to bring it together about all this potency That you all are talking about here.

2:36:55SpeakerAnd please add anyone, jump in.

2:36:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it is a back to the land movement. And I love that our land may be used for tourism in some cases, you know, bringing people to our land, you know, just to smell the winds of ganja going over or see the color palette of marigolds and zinnias and how they reflect off the ganja or walking through an agro forestry section of the property maybe uh jj's got so much water he could plant 27 different willow species on the property next thing you know jj's a basket weaver making the most amazing baskets you've ever seen you know or or living fences still working on that one exactly And when you're done, you put the canes in the ground and they grow, you know, so.

2:37:48SpeakerAnd shout out to Crestone, shout out to Crestone right here and now, just because I can say yes to dope goats.

2:37:58SpeakerYes. And another thing too, like, don't be afraid, like spread the good word, like. You know, uplift your friends and everything, you know, so like, you know, any post I'm making on IG, like anything I'm using to grow, anybody to ask me like what to use, what to grow, you know, I'm not just like bullshitting because like, oh, yeah, they're friends of mine. But, you know, I don't have a problem telling a friend like if they're giving me something to use.

2:38:25SpeakerIt didn't work good. I'll, I'll tell them, you know, I'm not, uh, not shy about that, but, um, take like Nick Risdon, you know, like, um, he was asking me, uh, you know, how to, how to grow organically, um, turned him on to Dragonfly and everything. Now he's, he's doing it up, up in Michigan and everything. And like, you know, any people that he talks to, like, you know, it's, it's contagious.

2:38:48SpeakerYou know what I mean? Um, you know, when you do good for other peoples and like I said, spread the good word, you know? And anytime you have time to like share some weed, you know, let them know how you grew it. Let them know what you're using. You know, uplift your friends and your, you know, the people that are around you. Somebody needs something, you know, like where I'm from, you know, it's like ain't nobody going to the Jiffy Lube or whatever.

2:39:13SpeakerLike, oh yeah, you got a problem with your car? Yeah, I got a guy for that, you know. He's right around the corner, you know. You get a nice... You know, something quality, like God's not going to jack you or whatever. Yeah, you need some fruits. Yeah, I got a guy for that too. You know, you need some moonshine. Yeah, we got a guy for that as well.

2:39:28SpeakerYou know, like we can, we can still, we can, we can still, you know, do that same thing with what we're doing. We might not all be in the same local town, but you know, you got, you got a person for that, you know, and we, you know, I guess I don't be afraid to, you know, spread the good word, you know. Yeah, that mycelium reaching outward.

2:39:50SpeakerI really love that all of us are connected. And then also sharing resources and things with your neighbors. I love it at our farmer's market how we all trade a lot of things. People come and get my products. I trade them for different awesome foods. And I just I love that. I love that so much. I've got many gifts that way of like being able to get gifts for other family members just by like trading and stuff.

2:40:15SpeakerI just I love bartering and trading and it's powerful. And I really want to touch on what you said, Kelly, with the health and happiness and self-love and going back to what you said about the about the core values, all of that. It's like we all have our own core values. And I feel like once we are aligned with those core values, when we find what that is, and it's like then health, happiness, self-love, all that can happen.

2:40:41SpeakerAnd right now on this time, it just feels like a lot, a lot of us are getting shook up. Like I feel for me, my whole world is like kind of falling apart, but it's like falling back together. It's all falling into place. Like I'm realigning and re-remembering like my purpose and Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:16SpeakerWe remember that it's like we're all so connected with that and for me like nature is such a huge part because we are part of it and reconnecting getting out of the cities getting out of the concrete getting out of the pollution and getting back to touching the soil to seeing color therapy with our eyes of the plants to being able to walk in a garden even touch a cannabis plant to touch a fruit tree and taste it and it's like that right there is like I feel like when true like health and Harmony and balance can start to happen and how it's so important with growing your own food, growing your own medicine or sourcing it at a place that it's grown with love and loving.

2:41:57SpeakerAnd like this is evolved humans is like we healers, we create, we evolve, we shift, you know, like we're doing telepathy soon. Hopefully we'll be able to teleport to each other soon. You know, these beautiful things, but all that has to happen as we evolve is like, Ashley Quarles, Humanity. Like, we have to have more pure thought, more, you know, just things that can't be hidden. And yeah, I feel like we're in a good tense, but it's realigning.

2:42:26SpeakerI feel like all of us really need to be again. Yeah, it's like recreating ourselves. I just came up with something, which is the ego, the evolutionary gateway obstacle. So I think that, you know, we can move, you know, keep those parts that we need, but often it is the evolutionary gateway obstacle and what we've been taught in the standardized sort of lifestyle that we've been living is always look to someone else for the answers and don't share the answers with other people.

2:43:02SpeakerKeep them to yourselves. Everything in school tells you don't cheat, don't share.

2:43:11SpeakerAll of this is like getting our brain used to something that is going to take us away from that self-love and that self-happiness. And I wanted to mention, too, you know, As human beings, one of the things that we're always running away from is pain. And I want to talk about like every single one of the people that you're seeing up here has either gone through tremendous pain to be sitting here Bethany Collins, Whether they're their farm or whether there's been incarceration for what it is that they love and what they want to do, but also you know crop loss crop failure.

2:43:51SpeakerBethany Collins, You know, having to dig up the money from eight years ago that you never wanted to dig up or or maybe having to risk your children to still get medicine out into the market. Bethany Collins, And when you look at this type of community we've come from. We have a lot of difficulties. And in fact, in the DemPure agreement, we agree to get through things that are difficult because we want to delve into what is difficult.

2:44:18SpeakerAnd we know that if we don't deal with difficulty, then we are not going to arise to reaching what we've always been searching for. It's like you've got to have the compost that reeks. Before you can have the soil that you plant into. So don't be afraid. Like right now is a great day to compost yourself. And it's okay that it's the first day to come out and say, fuck, I need to reevaluate where I've come from and start aligning with those values and that frequency that can hear me and that can understand me.

2:44:58SpeakerSorry, another rant, but.

2:44:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIsn't that what we're here for? Rant and rave. Alex.

2:45:05SpeakerI like to add to that. First, I really love to be in that group. It really opens my heart. But there is a thing that only in the midst of stress or difficulty, we are actually growing. When we are too comfortable with what we have, we're just sitting there and we're rotting, so to speak. But the challenges that come our life And nothing is handed to us that we cannot handle.

2:45:36SpeakerThen we are growing. That's that's so in some way it's sometimes hard to welcome the difficulties but if we can shift our way to look at it like okay there is another thing that's being handled to us so that I can look on a different way of it and then I can grow with it then we then we can be also a support to others who have now also going through this same or different Similar things.

2:46:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I have a lot of appreciation and respect for you because of, you know, coming from East Germany and seeing everything that you have, seeing everything that you've seen in your life and then making a choice to just come to Canada. You know what I mean? And then just garden and just be the person that you are like. inspiring you know it's it's it shows that sometimes heart and soul overrides what's possible for people because a lot of people talk about what they can and can't do or themselves being stuck and all that and i get it like i don't know what everyone's going through but it's stories like yours and other people that have overcome things and it becomes such an amazing Thank you.

2:46:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:47:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnyone else?

2:47:24SpeakerYeah, you know, Kelly, we've all been through pain and having just been witness to childbirth again, it's incredible pain here to birth life. And, you know, when my wife is coming on, she goes, oh, we can't do this again. And on the, it's so deep, because on the soul level, we can't do this again. We need to keep moving forward. And what I love about spirituality and physics is they're very similar.

2:47:56SpeakerAnd like in, you know, two points, if you go from here to here, you're not going backwards. You know, there's no going backwards. There's only going forwards, but only if we learn the lessons. Then, you know, because there is, when you start to repeat that progress, then you could say that's going backwards, but then again, there's no going backwards. And I see us moving forward, erring from what we've exchanged or what was stolen, what we replaced clean water and a healthy forest for.

2:48:28SpeakerAnd it's crap. It's utterly, it's crazy if you go into like a supermarket or like a gas station and go, it's all, we traded this for clean water and a healthy forest. Like not, not a good deal. I would have liked to have been there when that was made. And we're, and we're recovering from the genocide of the people who were tied to the earth from Europe to, from everywhere, I believe, everywhere.

2:48:51SpeakerYou know, I have some Druid ancestry too, you know, like they, they, they, but like the rainbow prophecy, the hope each, you know, it's, we are here. The, the, the, the, um, The rainbow children have grown older. They've become rainbow mothers and rainbow fathers, rainbow grandmothers and grandfathers, you know, a home, a taco house. And we are here, you know, we are, we have come to, you know, but we find that here this time.

2:49:16SpeakerWe find the Garden of Eden here, but we're here. We get, we love to do stuff. You know, we, we want to work. We might never see those goals. We might never achieve those dreams, but we like to do stuff. So we're here in the garden. We're going to clean it up. And I'd like to leave my little bit on one of the new poem I sent it to you, Josh.

2:49:37SpeakerAnd this is just a little inspiration. It's called Mover of Mountains. Never let anyone tell you you're not good enough, that you can't do it, that you're never going to make it, that it is foolish to follow your dreams. After all, you are an individualized drop of the infinite spirit, a microcosmos that through the law of miracles contains the very universe itself. The wave of the sea dissolves in the sea.

2:50:06SpeakerAnd there is no obstacle that can stop you. No storm that can throw you off course. No matter how insurmountable it may seem, in time you will find there is no peak too high, for you are a mover of mountains.

2:50:27SpeakerI dig it, dude. You ever read any Charles Bukowski? Oh, no, no, I've read very little. Yeah, check him out. There's a poem called All the Way that he wrote. It's about overcoming, you know, adversity and a lot of things that go along with, like, you know, your goal, like what you really want to do in life, like what you're truly passionate about. I'd highly advise everybody to give that one a read.

2:51:02SpeakerSuper, super good. And like I said, you know, there's problems in life, but there's solutions, you know, you just got to figure it out. And, you know, there's mistakes and then there's successes and understanding why the mistake was a mistake and, you know, rectifying that and, you know, learning from it, improving it. And also understand why you were successful, like not living and operating by happenstance, like understanding why, you know, things are doing what they're doing.

2:51:35SpeakerThat way you can, you know, become better and better and Hell, man, complacency is like boring as shit. I'd go crazy. I'd go fucking nuts. So, you know, I'm always looking to go, go, go, you know, keep moving forward and keep moving forward and, you know, be hardheaded, you know, be stubborn about it. Like, you know, you got problems. I mean, there's always a way to figure it out.

2:51:57SpeakerSome things are a little easier than others, but there's always a way, you know, just time and effort and thought and dedication. And I mean, hell, you can overcome about anything, really. You know, it's just a frame of a frame of mind, you know, be hard headed. And like I said, you might find yourself totally broken. Uh, broken starving, you know what I mean? Sacrificing for what you want to do, but like, like that poem says it, you know, but you're going to do it because that's what you really want.

2:52:28SpeakerThat's what you really love. That's what you're really passionate about. And you'll keep going. And, you know, you might lose relationships, friends, uh, you know, family, you know, husbands, wives, whatever, but like you, you're, you're going to keep going. You're going to keep going. You might get locked up. You're going to make it through that shit too. But eventually, like, you know, you're going to get there.

2:52:48SpeakerAnd once you get there, it's priceless. It's the best thing, best thing a person can have, you know. So it just makes you better, makes you a better person at the end of the day and makes you stronger. And, you know, when something pops up with a friend, hey, maybe you can help them out, have some input, you know, maybe going through something similar. And, you know, those that are around you, you can Bring them up to, you know, through experience and everything, maybe keep them from making the same mistakes, whether it's just, you know, growing knowledge or business knowledge or life knowledge or turning a wrench or whatever, you know, like just keep, keep passing it on, you know, we can all be better for it, you know.

2:53:30SpeakerThanks for saying that, man. All of you, you know, it's been, uh, been a rough couple of years in this world and, uh, I've had to make some serious decisions in the last few months. Other decisions being made for me and, you know, life. I've always said like, you know, life doesn't really get any easier. We just get better at it. Try to understand the little cues and the messages.

2:54:01SpeakerAnd, you know, once I kind of surrendered, you know, all these opportunities came up and, You know, Joey and Tamara asked me to come on out here. I was about to go, you know, do some farming out in Oklahoma. And I was going to work with this really cool lady that actually she got in a car wreck when she was 16. She lost her eyesight and some other things happened to her.

2:54:23SpeakerAnd, and she came to, you know, a place of healing through cannabis and it really changed her life. And she wanted to, you know, change the world with it. And like, All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:55:01SpeakerBut at the same time, I, you know, it's hard for me to move away from Cali, you know, because this is where I, this is where I grew up. This is my home. This is my stomping grounds all over Northern California. I love this place, you know, and the spirit and the culture and the people that I've met here, the people I know here. It's a really unique place.

2:55:22SpeakerIt's changed my life, but to be able to kind of let go after so much that's gone on over the last year and then be able to come here and, Be able to realize that now I get to kind of go back to my source and grow cannabis because I love it, you know, as like a personal plant and work with all different types of other medicines.

2:55:39SpeakerAnd I'm working with Mario from Cosmic Force Farms is helping to build a house for his new sheep that he's bringing in. And, you know, he's setting up this whole silvopasture setup and, you know, for rotational grazing. And it's just all these beautiful things that I, you know, I love so much and I, You know, I dedicate so much time and knowing and that I haven't had as much time as I wanted last numerous years because I've been distracted by things that don't need to be as important.

2:56:08SpeakerSo, you know, through a lot of sorrow and need to kind of let go of things that you spent so much time on to be able to get this piece of paper that says I can be able to give people medicine. You know, it kind of took away a long time from the point that I started doing this in the first place. So I feel like there's beauty in the chaos.

2:56:30SpeakerAnd every day I'm still learning more. I'm trying to be more perceptive of my surrounding environment, you know, and really listen to the messages and the lessons. And I appreciate all you guys for what you shared today. It's, you know, been noteworthy and mentionable. Yeah, I love you guys.

2:56:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love you guys too. And I would love to maybe get around 12 o'clock. And I'm not sure if Marcus is here back yet, but he had to go away for a little bit. But maybe we could talk one more thing about what you're most excited about on your farm from this last winter. Like I'll just say from our perspective, we did a really good job of mulching everything last year.

2:57:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we don't have the opportunity to grow Cover crops in the winter because it's freezing and tons of snow. We had an extra amount of snow this winter, so we have to really focus on mulching. And so that's why we say mulch love. Everything is mulch. Without mulch in the dream, it'll never come true.

2:57:37SpeakerAnd when we're fancy, we like to say mulchay just because that's good.

2:57:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're peeling the gardens covered in mulch right now like a blanket. And so now I'm just sort of using my hands and ripping the mulch back and it's just filled. Everything's just moving all over and it's like matted down. So it's matting like plastic wood, matting weeds down. And now we're just planting new. And I just take a little pickaxe. And I just kind of pick like a Pulaski or a Hodad and I just pick that mine just kind of fluff up the soil a little bit take my hand go like that and put seeds on it and then we just cover it back up so most of the garden stays mulched and then we just have these little babies coming up and everywhere around us is covered and everything's wet right now every the whole entire earth is just Just everywhere you walk, it's wet because of the snow melt.

2:58:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I'm really excited looking at the health of the soil right now. And in some cases, we left the greenhouse on. Tina was talking about how hard it is to grow in Colorado. It's extremely difficult to grow here in the Kootenays of British Columbia too. And we get early frosts and crazy temperatures. So we use greenhouses and that's why we've dug Wally Peenies and things into the earth.

2:58:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we have pipes going into the ground six feet for like warm air coming up. And so we do have the ability for passive growth, but we still don't choose lights in the winter. We just go for passive. So right now, As soon as the snow melts, even though it's freezing, it's time for us to plant our seeds. So I'm really excited right now seeing the health and the crazy life in our soil and the thing that we've gone beyond making a compost pile.

2:59:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNow all of the aisles and all of the gardens are the compost. Any food scraps you can bury in the garden or feed to the chickens, any limbs off the trees get put in the aisles, any leaves, everything, the aisles. By this time, I'm looking at my aisles from last year and it's an incredible wealth of soil. So now just fold, if I want, I can just fold that aisle over onto the On to the thing.

2:59:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd to me, that's what an IMO is. That's what I want. I want my indigenous microorganisms to grow in the garden from local materials because that's what indigenous is. Because there's life in the plants that I'm using. There's bacteria, fungi, and nutrition in the plants. And then that's breaking down, fusing, and sinking into the soil. And now the seeds just

3:00:17SpeakerSo I want to tell you guys, I actually heard you talking about this years, years and years ago. And I modeled the last Google beds, it was 2500 square feet of, you know, three foot deep and just, you know, like, really nice lasagna tech is so lush, most lush garden I ever grew. And I love that model of, you know, that that static compost in the aisles and just keep on taking all that brush and that over That overgrowth and piling it in there and stomping it down and the mushrooms in the life that we'd get out of that space would just explode, you know, and it was so, so beautiful to see that garden evolve off of, you know, a lot of your guys' teachings and, you know.

3:01:01SpeakerI like the IMO right there. Exactly. That's the easy farm, you know, work that you don't have to go out and capture anything or. And you can see the biodiversity. I just love it. I love this, the deep mulching so much.

3:01:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd once you have that, you can still get those organizms from that other environment and you maybe, maybe you liquefy it and put it all over all the mulch or you pack it in and just know it's going to grow. So you're always seeding with new things.

3:01:30SpeakerI was just thinking, you know, if we want to think about what our source is when we're talking about IMOs, then, you know, certainly bringing white rice and Collecting things that grow on white rice is not gonna be indigenous to your area. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand that sort of terminology. So I really think that, you know, IMOs can easily come from your IMOs, which is your indigenous microorganisms, which maybe, you know, you can see back behind tomorrow, like, you know, in your farm there, underneath some of those trees and in some of those zones are gonna be growing like Christine plants or something.

3:02:12SpeakerAnd then you would pick that little zone or that little area, you know, a little tiny handful of soil. And then that's a IMO for a billion trillion times more of its possibilities. So I just, yeah, just makes a lot more sense. So that's awesome. I love that.

3:02:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the fastest lifting in the rally with Chay and maybe Beth, Brian, did you want to say something?

3:02:34SpeakerYeah, go.

3:02:35Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I was going to say that's interesting because what I found on this land after it was post clear cut, we came in and it kind of helped us to be that, but it was really messy. And then I pushed like over a mile of trails with help last year on the property. And even from the trails off the original clear cut, the skidder trails, there was a lot of deposited humus that was turned over, ancient humus, and it opened it up to exposure to the sun.

3:03:00Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo it was drying out in portions, but I've been able to isolate pockets that are Aaron Wiggins, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery, Chiropractic Surgery,

3:03:25Bryan Best Friend FarmsUh, purchase bounty or any, uh, ancient humus that's in a bag all the way from Alaska or anywhere else. So we're actually like implementing that, that forest humus of ours into the compost tea that we're, we're now growing our, our mycelium flats from it and really just having a great, great turn off it. So wanted to share that.

3:03:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd Chay, what were you, are you doing any new tech on the land this year? And you have an area of forest that's been cleared and you're re-inoculating and reworking things. What are some of the things you're going to be doing this year?

3:04:06SpeakerYeah, we do hemp up here too. It's nice to have some high quality hemp, but really I think the bigger benefit is actually like preparing the land, improving the land. So we just harvest the main colas and then chop and drop it back in And spreading microbes. This is the first year that we won't have to till. You know, that's a dirty word. It's something that I don't want to do, but we actually ended up on basically a glacial till and sand for our subsoil here.

3:04:31SpeakerWe got a couple inches of called soil or forest fines maybe that we stripped off the top. But it's been hard to get the soil structure. And so we've been turning back in organic matter, a lot of clover and alfalfa. And we're finally at the point now we don't have to till anymore. So I'm super excited about that. It's just a lasagna attack from here forward. Really, really thick gild or living mulch support species last year.

3:04:59SpeakerAnd so it was nice to see this spring. There's this heavy mat and the snow has laid it all nice and down flat. It's decomposing super quickly because we are pretty heavy on the microbes. So it's great to see the soil really coming around. It's gone from sand to like this black loamy crumb. So that's the biggest thing. I think the most exciting thing of all is to have the best soil possible because it all comes from that.

3:05:35SpeakerAnd JJ, what about you? You're up there in Michigan, not always perfect growing conditions. Is there anything that you're doing that you could offer tips to people that could be helpful in your region? I'm actually in a similar situation with the sandy soil situation. So there's like really, especially on my spot, there's major drainage. So, you know, my main focus has been and will continue to be bringing organic material.

3:06:09SpeakerUm, so it's just like anything that I can grow. Like I've just set up a couple gray water systems with comfrey planted. Um, so I can like get the, uh, nitrogen from my sink for that, uh, specific project. Um, but you know, I, I need to get animals on the property still. Uh, I have some chickens, but my chickens set up through the harsh winter wasn't really ideal.

3:06:32SpeakerSo I had some deaths that in that, you know, department. But yeah, like, you know, my focus is definitely going to be on organic material, either sourcing it from neighbors or, you know, finding a way to either grow more things like alfalfa and things like that. So.

3:07:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOn down the line, Craig, how about you? You had a spectacular garden last year. Field of giant plants, you know, looked like a field, you know, you know, but still it was just, and I love the way that you use the straw bales and everything. And it's just done so many cool things. Any tips for anyone in your region, saving water and all that?

3:07:20SpeakerYeah, yeah, Josh, thank you for that. And last year was our first year of scaling the farm down again by another 7,000 square feet. So we were down to like 10,000, like I said earlier. And that was exponential difference. You know, we grew 10 different cultivars, nine are on a menu at a local shop, and the 10th is waiting to be released as our next farm cured extracted rosin.

3:07:47SpeakerSo Getting smaller was really beneficial. But to answer your question specifically, Josh, we took our cover cropping to like the next level. We wanted to consider our cover crop or off-season crop as the main goal of the farm. You know, during the wintertime here in Humboldt County, we get a lot of rain. We get really nice growing temperatures for greens, right? So we're growing, you know, fava, bell, vetch, these types of plants as cover crop.

3:08:24SpeakerAnd we made due diligence at the end of harvest last year to get in immediately. And we grew out probably one of the best cover crops we've ever produced. And going into a drought season, we feel the most beneficial thing we could do. And Dr. Elaine Ingham was just here about the end of January. And she really spoke to that. She gave a whole presentation about organic material in your soil and organic matter.

3:08:53SpeakerWe'll really help with water preservation. You know, that was kind of like one of the models you keep hearing me talk about through the whole process was not what are we doing to make more money? How are we saving the money? And how are we saving the water? How are we saving the resource? How are we working with our own farm and our own way of keeping that all here, whether it's the water and we're really blessed to have the

3:09:22SpeakerI guess the agriculture we have in Humboldt County. So I kind of look at closing my loops within the county. We've got an ocean, we've got the farmlands. We're working with an organic dairy to get their compost, not even their compost, it's their raw manure. And we've gotten to make relationships with these conventional farmers that are growing alfalfa for their personal crop. And their first personal animals are their 4-H animals, right?

3:09:52SpeakerSo we're able to get loads of this amazing alfalfa now. So our goal one day would probably be to close the loops like within our little region of, you know, us and Rio and Lady Sativa. But at the moment, we're working within Humboldt County. We mentioned Mushroom Mike at the beginning. He's growing and seeding spawn of mushroom into the native tan oaks. And then those tan oaks are producing the mushroom to go to culinary and farmer's market mushrooms and medicinal reishis.

3:10:24SpeakerAnd then all those mushroom blocks are coming back to the farm. So we're constantly taking these forest products and ocean products and just moving them around the county and kind of doing what the salmon and the bear and the rivers did Um but at the moment we're using a little bit of of uh you know fuels but we're trying to be as efficient as we can to move those products around and kind of keep that loop closed within our county and and again it's like all this knowledge share is is like so important and and i appreciate everybody you know so many of the things we're talking about whether it's the genetics or or a specific tip um the biggest tip i would probably share with everyone is Adam Dizzle, Nick, Skully Vibes, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

3:11:25SpeakerAnd I've got to use a gas. Well, people say you got a solar powered one. Well, I noticed how many ladybugs are in my cover crop and how many other beneficial insects are in my cover crop. And when I'm stepping it down sideways, I can go back through and see that they're there still. I haven't killed them or I've encouraged them to move to the other islands of safety.

3:11:48SpeakerYou know, I don't terminate my whole crop in one day. I move around my farm. It takes probably a Aaron Wiggins, I've probably five or six weeks before I terminate all my cover crop. So having that time for the beneficials and all my insects to move around is super beneficial. So I would say, yeah, take a moment and think of other ways to terminate your cover crop.

3:12:13SpeakerEven if you have a bigger farm, sometimes just back dragging the The loader bucket of your tractor, if you have that big of a farm where you don't have the human capacity to do that, but just get away from tilling as best you can and no judgment. Everybody takes their own process to get to that. We were in smart pots for the first couple of years. We tried taking smart pots to the next level, cardboard lined, cover crops, potatoes, all that.

3:12:41SpeakerAnd then finally, we just dumped those out onto rows of cardboard and so forth. No judgment and share what you learned and share what you got and just help everyone along the process.

3:12:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI really appreciate that, Craig, so much. That was very beautiful. And I love that skier grown tech where you just take your skis and push it over. And I just want to, you know, say that, you know, that can be done on a thousand acres, you know, like rolling and crimping is what's, you know, that is what they call it on a, on a large scale. And it's just taking a tractor and putting a big barrel in front of it and just running the tractor over the, The crop and just pushing it over and that's like what no-till looks like on a thousand acres and then there's a disc that goes behind it and just splits the the cover crop and then you plant in that spot so that's nice to know that's something that's so you know it seems like a you know grassroots farm level can be is also tech for you know saving the whole entire world thousands of acres

3:13:46SpeakerYou know, Josh, I'm going to drop just one little bit of information that we've been doing too. And that is, you know, we brought a trencher on to trench in some piping and some electrical lines. And then I was like, wow, I, you know, in the past, I've always, anytime I trench on the farm where I put power lines in, I always put bulbs in because bulbs will push up, daffodils will push up anywhere.

3:14:08SpeakerAnd I always remember where everything is. But then I took it to the next level and I started trenching like the floor of my greenhouse and my pathways and filling it all with wood chips and a little bit of compost and building all these biological batteries within my property and all these sinks of biology. So just always think about like when you're doing one task, how you can overlap those systems and when you're going to put soil back in the earth, covering something up, what could you put back in its place as well to buffer?

3:14:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo good, so good. Now I guess on down the line, maybe Bri, Best Friend Farms, we'll go up. That's what I'm seeing on my screen. Bri, what's up? Best friends.

3:14:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsHey, how you doing? Good. What would you, you want to talk about what we're kind of doing or what we just last saw or excited about type of thing?

3:15:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJust mostly what, you know, what you're most excited about. You've been, you're a newer DEM pure farmer. You've gone through changes. You're transforming a clear cut. You already told us about stuff that you've done. What are you?

3:15:15SpeakerAny tips for anybody in your regenerative thing that you've gone over that has gone wrong or whatever that you're just like really excited about. We know that you're doing a lot of new stuff up there.

3:15:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd huge ups to all the Maine farmers.

3:15:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, yeah, really. Yeah, thank you. And I'm saying I'm like really proud of how people are doing it here in Maine. We've been able to stay medical kind of stubbornly, but also, you know, by choice. So and we're approaching it like a small craft and small batch mentality, which Maine kind of is anyway. So really proud of that. But I'm excited about always about compost. And after we're here for our fifth year, it's finally starting to get To the point where it's got such a good continuum and the biomass that just comes from that even the smaller scale hemp and cannabis is so amazing.

3:16:05Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt seems like between like the carbon and nitrogen ratio and and local cultures or spores that are within back to it. So we got a great continuum for rebuffing the soil. And I think that that would be probably the easiest thing to share maybe or that I don't know a lot of in-depth anyway scientific based info but I know that we can all on any scale compost back in the cities in the country and really make our own compost just from the circular continuum of the cannabis and the hemp almost entirely.

3:16:37Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd we're introducing good like local fruit bodies. We had a great mushroom year. So we went out and collected stuff that was like dying back. And I got, you know, multiple different spores to add in. It seems to be popping up fruit bodies even into the organic indoor. So it's working there. And I would say that I'm actually really excited to learn so much today and thank all you guys for You know, paying it back to Mother Earth because it's definitely it's needed.

3:17:06Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's man or humans rather have kind of scarred the earth in a way that has allowed us to live here and subside. So it just feels like the most important task that we're all taking pretty seriously. And rejuvenating the earth where we've cleared to live, to have animals, to farm. So the regenerative mission just seems so needed more than ever right now. And I'm super happy to be part of it and learn from all you guys today.

3:17:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsI would say that thank you, Josh and Kelly, like totally answered a question or not question, but like. I had motivation to fill my aisles after we correct our hemp field more this year for our raised beds and getting it to the no-till point. So I'm going to just fill up the aisles with the local biomass and scraps and the wood from the clean out of the stuff that's already down and rotting.

3:17:59Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo we're really going to Try to just make it not as much of the, I guess, aisle idea with it or rows maybe as much as it is building up the whole surface of the quarter acre on that portion. So thank you.

3:18:16SpeakerWell, we're getting down to it and we wanted to really respect everybody's time. And there's a lot of people, you know, this has just been so incredibly potent. And one last thing that I wanted to say before we, and Duke, I don't know, I sort of had a feeling that you may know that Bukowski poem by heart. So if that's something that you wanted to recite and then we could end with Alexandra and a thought, that would be really awesome because I'm feeling that from you that you know that and I have a vibe on that.

3:18:47SpeakerBut one thing I wanted to just say in leaving with everybody is the word legacy. We've been talking about it a lot tonight and like this idea of like legacy and like leaving a legacy and you don't leave a legacy with things and stuff. You leave a legacy with heart and soul. You leave a legacy with fruit trees and beautiful soil so that when your children have your seeds that they can just go out and put them in the ground so that they can be taken care of.

3:19:18SpeakerYou leave a legacy by supporting other people who are leaving that same kind of legacy. So, you know, the reevaluation of what that word is, but.

3:19:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd one, one thing I just really quickly like to say is I'd like to just give thanks to the birth of our granddaughter. And I like to say as a legacy, Kelly, as a midwife, In our home, on the land, on our own terms, having our children at home, these are the legacies. This is nature. This is evolution. This is regeneration. It's powerful. And I just feel really grateful and thankful.

3:20:00SpeakerGiving the opportunity for the ultimate optimal outcome. And that's what we're all doing here is we're giving opportunity for the ultimate outcome. And I just appreciate you all so much. And I wanted to hand it over to Duke because I'd love to hear it. Well, I was too afraid to recite it off the mind. I was like running risk of butchering it. And then I'm going to have like some angry poet society hunt me down and beat me up.

3:20:30SpeakerSo definitely, I'll just read it.

3:20:38SpeakerCharles Bukowski, go all the way. If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, or maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation. But isolation is the gift. All others are just a test of your endurance and how much you really want to do it.

3:21:11SpeakerAnd you'll do it despite the rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There's no other feeling like that. You will be aligned with the gods and the nights will flame with fire and you will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's only good fight there is.

3:21:47SpeakerAnd Alexandra, if you wanted to leave us with a vision or a thought for everybody.

3:21:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI want to give thanks to everyone out in the world watching us. Take this and make the world a better place in your, in your, in your world. Go do something good. We love you.

3:22:03SpeakerAnd last thoughts, big thanks to Marcus for continuing to hold this space.

3:22:10Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe may not be learning how to make rosin right now for the first time, but we are feeling each other on a way that we have never felt before.

3:22:19SpeakerWhich makes better rosin in the end.

3:22:24SpeakerOh, it is a better hash.

3:22:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you, Alexandra. Love.

3:22:32SpeakerI like to first of all acknowledge The Mother Earth itself, I like to acknowledge the land that you are all residing on with your physical body, the ones that are here on the circle and the ones that are watching. I like to acknowledge the people of that land that have walked and lived there long before we came. I like to acknowledge you here present and your ancestors, That have passed on the life to you as you have passed on life to your children.

3:23:13SpeakerI acknowledge life in the macro as much in the micro life that we are seeing and life that we are not seeing. I like to acknowledge the uniqueness of life that comes through all of you in such a beautiful way. And in our heart space, we shall connect to each other. We shall accept the light of the earth in our heart and the light of the cosmic heart to be married with each other.

3:23:52SpeakerAnd then we can share that to all places in chaos around the earth. And this love that is unconditional and full of compassion She'll be sent to all to the victim and victimizer the same so that we and they can remember the light and the love that exists in our heart and that they can remember that they shall and we shall follow this light.

3:24:32SpeakerDr. Wiesen. Thank you.

3:24:41SpeakerI think we should just leave it at that.

3:24:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love you guys so much.

3:24:45SpeakerLove you all. Love you all who are watching. Everybody, thank you all so much for today. Peace out.

3:24:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLove you all. It's never too late.

3:24:56SpeakerMuch love. Much love, Garden. Big love.

3:25:04SpeakerThank you, Michael.