Hash Church 5.0, Episode 10: Technical Glitches and Harvest Season

0:02SpeakerMy internet collapsed about half an hour ago, and it took me about 10, 20 minutes to get it back online.

0:11BubblemanOh, I'm glad you're here, man. I think this is it. I think we're about to go live. Yes, there we go. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Hash Church 5.0, Episode 10. And apologies, I mucked up again this week. Oh, sorry. Oh, that's you talking through the computer now. There we go. Okay. That threw me off. Yeah, I had a bit of a technical difficulty, a little glitch today.

0:38BubblemanI thought I had sent out the invite emails early last week. And in fact, I did not. So this was last minute. I just sent out the invites to the panel now. Many of them might think that there's no episode today. So we'll see who shows up. But I got Skunk Man Sam in the house. How are you doing, Sam? Okay, but everybody else seems to be, oh, ye of little faith.

1:04BubblemanYes, they don't quite have the commitment and faith that ye have, Sam. But hopefully we'll see them. I did talk to Colin recently, and he said he would be making it in. So we'll get a few more peeps. And in the meantime, maybe it's time for us to light up a little bong rip. Something along those lines, at least get it starting to heat up. Been a fairly uneventful week.

1:32BubblemanToday's Canadian Thanksgiving for us Canadians. Well, I guess tomorrow's the holiday, but kind of all this weekend is Thanksgiving where I was at a Thanksgiving meal yesterday with some friends and having another one tonight with family and... My wife does not like celebrating Thanksgiving.

1:51SpeakerShe goes, oh, that's the day that the... Indians got screwed over.

1:59BubblemanWell, she's not wrong. Other than now, we're not allowed to call them Indians.

2:03Etienne FontanWe have to call them, I don't know, whatever, indigenous or some other thing.

2:07BubblemanRedskins. I don't think we're allowed to do that. I don't think we're allowed to do anything anymore. I was at a dinner table yesterday where I found out you're not allowed to say, I have a friend who works at a school and of course the schools are the most like close to the woke mind virus. And so she said, she's not allowed to say nitty gritty. She was in a meeting and she said, let's get down to the nitty gritty.

2:30BubblemanAnd they were like, oh yeah, you're not allowed to say that. It has something to do with the slave days. And then she said something else, something about master. And they were like, oh yeah, we don't say master anymore either. And she was just like, what the fuck?

2:48SpeakerWell, that's screwed because you know how many master gardeners and master cultivators? Master growers.

2:56BubblemanI know, I know. Not to mention the master baiters. Forget about it.

3:02SpeakerI don't think you're allowed to say that either.

3:04BubblemanNot allowed to say anything anymore. So, Sam, I think we should do a whole show on you and I just saying shit we're not supposed to say. We'll call it Sam and Bubble Man Get Cancelled Episode 1, Part 1.

3:21BubblemanOh, my goodness. Well, I'm going to have to send out the link to maybe Etienne. I don't think he's got it yet.

3:32BubblemanMellow, mellow. Yeah. So what's new and different over in Amsterdam?

3:45SpeakerToday, I was looking for one of my little tiny sacred seeds t-shirts that I made for infants. And I was going to put it on Sam I Am, but I couldn't find it in town.

4:03BubblemanOh, that would have been primo. That would have been absolutely primo.

4:14BubblemanWell, I'm mellow. Let's see what the room's saying. We got a little bit of a few people, just 38 people have joined us so far. So it's pretty mellow. We are custom live streaming. So I know it's the right length. Welcome one and all to the stoniest church around. Yes, that's us. We are the stoned church, aka hash church, loving the church vibes. And we'll see how it goes today.

4:37BubblemanIt's kind of a mellow Sunday, kind of beautiful weather over here. Looks like we've got a blue sky and some pretty nice weather in store for us today, which is never a bad thing. I think Colin's over in New York right now harvesting some greenhouse flower. He was telling me earlier that that was the case. So I'm sure he'll come in and yeah, I am going to hit it hard, John.

5:02BubblemanActually, I made a mistake and I put it in front of the dab right instead of putting it into the universal heater from D-nail. So that'll help it get heated up a lot faster. Go from that. Oh, I see 112 watching now as well. Johnny Burfellow. We've got to get Johnny Burfellow in here for a visit. Oh, I just sent him the link. Look at that. I went and did a hash church with John Burfellow the other day, which was awesome.

5:31BubblemanWe hadn't seen each other for a while, so that was fun. And oh my goodness, after four weeks of having a broken collarbone and being so careful, Sam, so careful, I end up, you know, John's got this giant tree in his front yard and he's John. So he's trying to pull me over to this corner of his yard so I can see just how big this tree is.

5:52BubblemanAnd I'm like, okay, I walk over, I get close. He's like, no, no, no, come over. I walk a little closer. He's like, no, no, no, come over here, come over. So I step off the sidewalk to go walk over the grass to where he is. And I step on this log, this small round piece of wood that's like bordering his sidewalk. And dude, I eat shit so hard.

6:12BubblemanLike, kaboom, right down on my broken clavicle. Like, I couldn't believe it. And of course, John being as positive as John is. He's like, it's okay. You're fine. You're fine. I'm like, no, dude, I just fell on my arm. He's like, no, you didn't. No, no, you didn't. No, you fell in your bum. I saw you. You barely hit your arm. I'm like, dude, my arm hurts.

6:30BubblemanI definitely fell on my arm. He's like, no, no. He would not let me acknowledge that I fell on my arm. And I swear to God, thanks to him, It felt better sooner. So that was kind of a funny experience. But yeah, it was a bummer, John Maddox. When you break your collarbone, your clavicle, it hurts. It's very sore. And then there's also a lot of soreness that goes into your rotator cuff and all the little delicate tendons and muscles and things that are in and around the bones.

7:00BubblemanThey stay sore for a while because obviously they're a lot more vulnerable and they're a lot more delicate. So yeah. It hurt for a couple more days and then it kind of went away, just like John said that it would kind of go away. So give thanks, Johnny Burfellow. And come on in. I sent you the link, dude. Love to see you on this morning. We've got 135 folks watching right now.

7:26BubblemanBanger is a heatin'. Gonna smash out a little of this guava. Let's see if I can get it to focus on the guava.

7:36SpeakerGuava. Isn't that the tropical fruit that whenever you want fruit juice, they add guava juice to it?

7:46BubblemanYou know, I didn't know that about guava. I thought it was apple juice was the universal sort of add. Apple and then orange and then probably guava. Okay. Well, it's definitely got a great kind of tropical fruity. I did link Wee Johnny. Go to your messenger and you'll see that I linked Wee. You gotta go to your messenger. And you will see that we are here.

8:15Collin PalmerHello, hello. Hello, hello, hello. Can you hear me now? I can right now.

8:25BubblemanColin's got that soft radio voice going on this morning.

8:29Collin PalmerI'm here.

8:34Collin PalmerI've got the microphone in front. What are you doing, man? Welcome.

8:38BubblemanWe're doing good, man. We're chill. We're super just sort of Sam and I in the room for a little bit, just chatting away and getting ready to have a little dab here of the guava.

8:50Collin PalmerNice, man.

8:51BubblemanYeah, it's time, man. It's time. It's Sunday morning. It's like I said, I mucked up. I didn't send out the links to anyone. So we'll see if there's going to be a panel this morning and kind of keeping it loose with Hash Church. If we go, we go. And you know, it's okay if we only do a couple hours too. But I love getting into these conversations that I find I can't plan.

9:13BubblemanThey just sort of like happen with, you know, it's like fish jamming for 42 minutes. I remember someone asking Paige years ago, he's like, well, why would you jam a song for 42 minutes? And he's like, well, to hear the 43rd minute, of course.

9:35Collin PalmerIt's funny you say that was on Thursday last week. We, um, We were with another team, you know, in New York State, and they were asking us about Hash Church, and they were like, You know, what's, you know, is there like a forum? I was like, no, it's, it's, it's just, it's individuals that get together and have, like, it's a bunch of jazz musicians that are exchanging thoughts and ideas and exchange.

9:58Collin PalmerAnd the call and response of that, that conversation evolves, right? And as that evolves, you get these really amazing things that come out of it that you can't plan for. And I think that's, that's the beauty of it, as you said, you know, like, that's, that's exactly it. You know, you go to a fish show as a fan chasing those moments, right? So I think, you know, in turn, a fan of the show and you've been following this, it's sort of a similar thing where you get into these moments These exchanges and then things started to evolve and really come out as gold, you know, so it's cool.

10:31Collin PalmerYeah, I totally relate to it.

10:32BubblemanThe songs are just the subjects, right? But how deep you go into it and how, you know, it's definitely a very cool thing. And I agree with you as well. And I want to say good evening to all of those sitting down for your dinner in Denmark right now. I'm talking to you. Keep it simple, 420. He just wrote in the chat room that it was funny to watch it live and hear me say good morning as he's eating his dinner in Denmark.

10:57BubblemanSo shout out to Denmark. It is evening in Denmark and they're eating dinners over there and Johnny B's puffing bowls. So there's no doubt about that. Johnny B, how the hell are you?

11:07Johnny BFantastic.

11:10Collin PalmerGood to see you. I don't believe it.

11:12SpeakerHowdy, Johnny.

11:15Johnny BThat was tasty. That was the money balls. How you doing, Sal?

11:21BubblemanOh, the money balls.

11:23Johnny BHow you doing, Colin? How is everybody doing? Great to see everybody on this lovely Sunday morning.

11:29Collin PalmerI'm doing great. Just really excited. We had a monumental week in New York. We picked up our first batch of living soil, organic grown material to put back in the market. And our partners have just crushed it and Thank you so much for joining us.

12:07Collin PalmerIt's hard to find that. So I'm really honored to be able to do that for the community and continue the journey and, you know, just build this whole thing for the people and then ultimately put out amazing products with Marcus and our friends. So cheers to all that, you know. 10-10. We just picked it up. Super monumental. And then we saw the Northern Lights. We walked out of the lab and we looked up.

12:32Etienne FontanI was like, hey, Zach, get over here, bud. It's like, look up.

12:38Collin PalmerNorthern Light, you know, it just, you know, we got, we drove 14 hours to do this whole thing. So it was really good for us. So it was a small, mighty lab. We're here for it. So New York, get ready, man. We're going to put some Sherbanger 22 in the market for y'all.

12:55Speaker3.5. They were seeing the Northern Lights in Florida.

13:00BubblemanWow. Wow. But here's the question. Is that the Northern Lights or is that some harp shit? Because when I was a kid, the Northern Lights didn't look like this. And I'm not trying to go down a conspiracy hole. I'm always just like curious and questioning everything, which used to be kind of cool until all of a sudden they were like, what are you doing? You can't do your own research for the vaccine.

13:21BubblemanLike, you're not allowed to do that. I'm like, what? I just we used to call it reading. Now it's called research. And if you do it on your own, you're a sham. But I don't know, it's something to look into. I thought they were beautiful.

13:31SpeakerEverybody knows that what made the Northern Lights so cool is chemtrails.

13:41BubblemanAlways really getting us down a rabbit hole. Dude, to even suggest that those exist can enrage certain people. So I just stay on the fence. I puff my bowls and just talk about the few things that I do know, which is not a lot of things. We have CC. We have closed captions right now showing up on the YouTube chat. And I've never seen that before. I have no idea why.

14:07BubblemanAnd it's coming from Zoom for sure. I've seen this. Yeah, so it is what it is. I guess that's happening like that today. Oh, captions. There we go. Host captions control, close captions, show captions. I don't see it on my page. That's the weirdest thing. I just see it on YouTube.

14:28Johnny BThat's okay, you know, because there's all kinds of new things happening with the Zoom and all these little, little, little things, reactions and, and we can like, you know, like have all kinds of party time and you can have all kinds of fun now.

14:43BubblemanI guess so.

14:44Johnny BYou're right. It's all these reactions that we got. I figured I'd just bring some, some plant. I'm trying to keep this one not going into flowers. So I've been bringing it in at night and then putting it out during the day. What varietal is it? It's Medi Kush Cross with Irami.

15:01Collin PalmerOh, nice. That's awesome.

15:06Johnny BWe did the Medi Kush Cross with the Mac One. Wow.

15:12BubblemanDid you read that, John? No, I didn't. Oh, it was funny. I'm complaining about these closed captions and Bingo Lombardi's like, it's Johnny B's fault.

15:23Johnny BThe whole thing is, is the right in the center of the screen here right now. So they're up here for me to, you know, a lot of people have maybe have like hearing impairments. So the closed captions good for them. And right now it's like, nice to have that. Cause then I can like, if I miss something, I can like look up and I can write it down.

15:40Johnny BI love closed captions now. That's good for taking. Yeah.

15:45BubblemanIt's just, it would be nice to know what I did differently to make them appear versus what I've been doing for, say, the last 10 years when they've never appeared. It's wild. Can you turn it off?

16:01SpeakerI think if you were really advanced, the subtitles would be in Aramaic.

16:06BubblemanOh, I can do that. That I can do, dude. That I can do. Don't ask me why, but set the captions for this meeting. There it is. Arabic you want?

16:19SpeakerNo.

16:20BubblemanAramaic. Aramaic. Oh, geez.

16:23SpeakerThat's what Jesus was speaking.

16:25BubblemanYeah, you're right. I don't have Aramaic. Fuck.

16:29Collin PalmerAll right, Sam, shut me down. If you send Sam some Bitcoin, I'll send you the font.

16:40BubblemanAllow closed captions there. I think I just shut them off. Let's see if that shut them off. I'm gone now. What happened? Are they though? I don't know. Let me see. I don't believe it.

16:56BubblemanOh, maybe I did shut it off.

17:00Johnny BI think I did. It was a fun Wednesday when you stopped by. And, you know, now that that little happened, that happened up front, just because I love you. And I was like, I had to take a look at what was going on. I'm like, you know what? That was probably my fault, right? No, it wasn't your fault.

17:15BubblemanIt wasn't your fault that you were leading me away from what I was trying to do constantly.

17:21Johnny BSee, I moved the bench.

17:23BubblemanI don't think it was the bench. It was that log on the left side of your grass and dead things.

17:28Johnny BOh, nice.

17:30BubblemanI would have fallen right on it. That's where I fell, right on where that pot is. Collapsed. Show us the mulberry tree. It's so big.

17:42BubblemanThere it is.

17:44Johnny BThe tree that almost took my life.

17:45SpeakerDid you ever get mulberries on it?

17:48Johnny BAfter the big ice storm. That's what happened to the tree. It split in the middle, right? So we had a big ice storm. You see it split in the middle and all went down. And then this year we got no mulberries and it did some crazy stuff. So it's kind of like pretty cool. And it took over my whole yard and it just, you know, I don't have any yard maintenance.

18:07Johnny BIt was pretty good.

18:08BubblemanBut you've gotten, you've gotten mulberries from that tree before. Okay. Google off. Of course, I have a freezer full of them.

18:18Johnny BWe have white mulberries and they come with three different stages and they're so good for you, right? A good antioxidant and everything. So, I mean, I have a freezer outside with mulberries. I have dry mulberries.

18:30BubblemanBeautiful. Very, very beautiful. Well, it's harvest season, man. Croptober. It's going on all around. I'm always like excited. Like, it's kind of like once you've... Grown Cannabis Outdoors in particular. I think you've just become forever connected to the web of people doing it because I, although don't have any plants outside right now, I'm nervous for those who do. And I want them to get their plants harvested like my uncle tells me about.

19:00BubblemanI'm telling you, dude, it's like sooner than later here in Canada, especially if it's October 13 and you still have your plants in the ground, which I do have friends that that have their plants in the ground.

19:13Johnny BIt's a fucking farewell. And I went away. I came back and that one didn't really make it.

19:19Collin PalmerThis one did. What time of year?

19:24Johnny BThis one did not make it.

19:28Collin PalmerWow. Yeah.

19:29SpeakerIn my window, I've got some bunks growing, which is Thai Hay Skunk. And it hasn't even started to flower yet.

19:39Johnny BOh my God, dude. That was really good. Just when we made it. So there you go. That's the one.

19:47Collin PalmerWe had in the East Coast in the United States, we had a really rough year last year. And to be honest, this week, these next four days, anyone that has outdoor that's listening, please start harvesting today. Just get it down. It's over. This is not going to get better.

20:09Collin PalmerIt's just brutal because every year this happens and everyone forgets. You know, we have hurricane season. We have we've had two now two hurricanes come through the East Coast that the biometric pressure and also the humidity and the, you know, it being somewhat warm and cold, you know, hot, cold, around 68 degrees to 70. That's a that's just a. So, yeah, it's, it's really tough. Yeah. And then, and then furthermore, I would say that New York state, if you're a regulated grower, you have 10,000 CFUs.

20:50Collin PalmerThat's a really high bar to match to get your product to market without remediation. So all those outdoor growers that are love sun grown in New York, I, I, I respect every single one of you, but it's, you know, all that hard work to go into remediation feels, feels backwards. So hopefully we can change that. CFUs need to be changed. It's not good.

21:18BubblemanIt's definitely not. It's the conversation we had in episode three, I guess, with Kevin and Alec from SC Labs there and Medicinal Genomics. It's one you could go on and on and into. A lot of people don't understand that there are They're just failing for, they're not deciphering or deciding the differences between, you know, bad and good. It's just whatever, if it's in the microbial world and we find a certain level of it, you fail, which is pretty crazy.

21:55BubblemanYes, dread, dread is right. CFU is very terrible in Illinois at 1000, which is insane that it's 1000.

22:08Collin PalmerDelaware is 50 or 100. Yeah. So it's just it's it's getting to the point where it's so uneducated that when you see these numbers, you're just you have to beg the question, where did this ideology and this thought process come from to land on this number?

22:25BubblemanWell, I get it. They come from the world of like Joe Strady. Like they come from like the way they will do food and do a variety of other things. They're so disconnected from the actual relationship that is cannabis. They don't understand the subtle nuances of it.

22:43SpeakerYeah, but if you think about it, with food in America, you can have X amount of rodent hairs per whatever you can have. I mean, as long as you sterilize it afterwards, it's okay.

23:02BubblemanAnd let's not forget, a ton of the food in America is actually poison. Like, it's not even food. It will kill you. It will...

23:12Johnny BThat's a lot of the food that we eat today, a lot of it's processed and stuff like that. It's complete.

23:17SpeakerBut that's why Americans are so strong. You've heard that if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.

23:26BubblemanI definitely have heard, but I've also heard of if you're 350 pounds, you're shortening your life span.

23:34Johnny BYou know, I may mention to that, how many people do you see in their 80s overweight?

23:40BubblemanYou don't see that.

23:42Johnny BYou don't see it. You just don't see it, right? So, I mean...

23:46BubblemanThe heart doesn't make it that far. Huh? The heart doesn't make it that far. It can't make it to 80 if you put that kind of pressure on it.

23:58Johnny BYou got to keep your hands on your heart and hands on your plant. How old was Humpty Dumpty?

24:04BubblemanHumpty Dumpty was only 13 years old, but back then that was actually fairly old for, you know, a Humpty. They didn't have a long lifespan. And what are you looking for there, Colin? Maya. Yes.

24:20Collin PalmerI was looking for my dab. You're looking for your dab. I was trying to find my jar. I was like, where did it go?

24:26BubblemanI just had my 8 a.m., 9 a.m. dab. Oh, still good amounts of discomfort from the old arm, but geez, it takes a little while longer to heal as we get older, I guess.

24:38Johnny BYou know, that's the thing about getting old.

24:39BubblemanThat's one of the things I suspect.

24:43SpeakerYou don't even know what old is. I'm 75. How old are you, John?

24:51Johnny BWho, me? I'm 52.

24:55BubblemanI'm young. I'm 52.

25:00Johnny BI turn 53 next month, so, you know, I'm still 52. That's awesome. How old are you, Mark?

25:08BubblemanI'm 51. I turn 52 in like five months, maybe six months.

25:19Johnny BYeah.

25:21SpeakerI found life was easy till you got to 74 and a half. Then the shit hits the fan.

25:28BubblemanIt just got difficult.

25:30Johnny BYou know what? If I look at every day of a grateful day in Greece and we get these days and look what we have around us because it was all created of what was out of thought. We keep creating more every day.

25:40SpeakerI can honestly say I never thought I would live to be 30 years old. When I was 20 years old, I was living pretty fast and crazy, and I was hoping I'm leaving a good looking corpse.

25:59BubblemanWell, Sam, if you take... That ship has sailed, Sam.

26:03SpeakerI know, in more ways than one.

26:05Johnny BHow much did you gain when you were 20, Sam? And what did you write down when you were 20 that you look at today that actually all came true? What came true, Jacob? Look what you've manifested and how far you've created around us.

26:19SpeakerTo be honest, I think my theme song was pretty simple, low, and bass. In other words, more like, I'm just a crazy hippie. I don't know what I'm doing. If I'm not smoking dope, you can bet that I'm screwing.

26:43Collin PalmerYeah.

26:46Collin PalmerYeah. I think we all have yet. Has anyone ever thought about their theme song? Like, what's that theme song that you when you walk around like plays behind you?

26:55BubblemanI don't know. No, I'm like Trump. It's the village people.

27:08BubblemanDude, I saw a good one. And I don't know if this was, you never know what you see anymore. But it was like they had like broken in in Illinois to the like, the room that played the music and changed his theme song. And they put on like Creep by Radiohead as he was standing on the stage to come out. It was a good job if it was like a fake, but if it was real, that's like a pretty incredible prank to do in front of like that many people.

27:34BubblemanI thought it's good that the world still has humor. Gotta laugh at this stuff. Otherwise, you might be taking it too seriously. Hey, welcome, Etienne. Oh, so it's happening today. Yeah, I had planned the whole week. This is the thing. I've known it was happening today all week. I had a big plan. It was all going to be great. I had invited, oh, what's her name there?

28:01BubblemanDr. Amanda Ryman. Yeah, she was going to come in. I did not reply back to anyone. In fact, I guess I left it open on my computer and had a little crash. When I came back, that email didn't exist anymore. Oh, no.

28:18Etienne FontanYeah, Dr. Hyman's great. She used to work for me at BPG.

28:22BubblemanRight. Yeah, I saw that on her.

28:24Etienne FontanYeah, she did her study on alcohol regarding that. Hey, Johnny B. Long time no see. Much love. I just put in the chat, I don't know if y'all saw this, but apparently Charlotte's Web is patenting a transgenic cannabis cultivar. Really? Y'all see that? Richard Rose posted that this morning. I was like, oh. I did see that, actually.

28:47BubblemanI don't think I understood it.

28:51SpeakerThat means the plant is intersex.

28:54BubblemanRight. I just mean the whole, so like what? They've created an intersex plant that they've, they're now, they've found a pathway to patent it or trademark it or whatever you do to plants. Seems to be the case.

29:07SpeakerDo you know that the Stanley Brothers, uh, With their enabler, Dr. Gupta, they invented THC. I mean, it wasn't here before then. Oh, of course not.

29:25Collin PalmerWhat was that again? What was that term you just said? I've never heard of it.

29:31SpeakerEnabler?

29:33Collin PalmerNo, I was saying the THC thing you were talking about.

29:36SpeakerOh, no, no, CBD. They invented that? That was a joke.

29:41Collin PalmerYeah. Botanicals, which is a name that I came up with five years ago and have the copyright on it. I was looking at it the other day. I was like, huh, I could probably go back to this guy and talk to him.

29:53Etienne FontanYeah.

29:53Collin PalmerThey started Ajna Botanicals as their next venture for mushrooms and other alternative plants. I thought it was very fascinating because I've spoken to both Joel and his brother at conferences before. And yeah, it's more the same, Sam, to your point.

30:15SpeakerYeah, well, I don't know what to say. I had high CBD varieties, you know, more than a decade before them, but whatever.

30:26Johnny BYeah.

30:26SpeakerOne thing they're better at than me for sure is keeping their eyes on the dollar sign.

30:35Collin PalmerYeah, and on PR too, right? But I think ultimately, Sam... We should talk about this. We should document as much as we can of your work because it's necessary at this stage, I think. It's all too often I hear in other circles, not just what we're talking about here, people forget where things evolved from. It's very important that we document history. I think early days of design, similar thing.

31:06Collin PalmerThey weren't in the internet. Remember way back machine? They started to document websites that were lost. I think we're in an interesting time where we need to start being proactive about that. You know, the Wayback Machine was hacked this week, right?

31:19Etienne FontanAnd basically sabotaged as well.

31:22SpeakerAnd do you remember the first Wayback Machine? It was drizzle, drazzle, drizzle, drum. Time for this one to come home.

31:35Etienne FontanSay what now? It was a cartoon. Yeah, it's a cartoon, correct. Yeah, come on now. Aren't you old enough to realize there's funnies?

31:47Etienne FontanI've never heard that.

31:48Ryan Dank AfYou know, that's why we also, Colin, that's my group, Veterans Action Council.

31:52Etienne FontanWe interviewed Sam this week because we're trying to get the history. And I would like to thank him for doing that, as well as he made us where he typed out all his answers because he wanted to remember and recall properly. And we greatly appreciate you going that way. And yeah, I mean, we have to document what's going on. It's one reason why we have documentarians who are interviewing me and others who are trying to get the oral history because a lot of our history isn't logged, right?

32:28Etienne FontanAnd that's what we need to document.

32:31SpeakerIsn't there a group in Northern California called... California history, something.

32:38Etienne FontanYeah, that's Dr. Ryman. Dr. Ryman's doing that. So she was probably going to make us aware of that because they're just trying to make sure the California history, because that's something I have worked with her on and talked to her about in the past because, you know, we've found ourselves, you know, creating history and realizing, oh, there's nobody really documenting the history that we're attempting to accomplish or achieve on a consistent basis.

33:03Etienne FontanRight. So. This is where you who are watching, we need proper documentation of, you know, the history. We saw what happened here with Bubble Man's World, right? You even had your site hacked. You had many of your YouTube sabotaged and destroyed. Unfortunately, somebody kept them and, you know, put them back up. But this is unfortunately the type of reality that we're in now that we need to substantially back up Our history so that the future is aware of it.

33:34SpeakerOtherwise, but if Bubble Man would have just paid me the million dollars, I would have given them all back to him.

33:40Collin PalmerThat's cheap, fucker. It really is too bad, Sam, that he didn't do that. But but, you know, the other thing I wanted to bring up was, you know, I remember the day that Overgirl got taken down, made my heart sink. I never forget the feeling.

33:53BubblemanThat was a bad one.

33:55Collin PalmerThat was a bad feeling, you know, and then I got an email from Bog, Bushy Old Grower, saying he was shutting everything down and he was moving states because he was just like he was caught really in the middle of it. You know, so I It was a really big information dump from all of us at a young age at a very earnest time in our lives, I think.

34:16Collin PalmerAnd we were all sharing so much information, cuts, seeds, you name it. And then Sam and his whole world was on there, you know, dropping crazy knowledge and great posts and all the other constituents like OT1 and Me, myself, and I with his G13 out crosses and back crosses. I don't know if any of you guys remember that, any of that, but super important stuff.

34:43SpeakerWhat I did was I moved over to IG, International, or IC, International Candidate.

34:51Collin PalmerYeah, I go back to ICMAG sometimes. I look at my profile. I'm like, man, we've We came over here in the early 2000s, you know, after Overgrow. And then Laughing Moon was before that, which was, I think, Emery's stuff, right? But it was just a hotbed of information. And the only reminiscence that I see is the NCGA, or not NC, BCGA Growers Forums, which was like, for me, as a young guy, popping seeds, you know, trying to figure this all out, like a lot of us when you first start, There's just a lot of elders that were willing to share and explain things.

35:28Collin PalmerAnd Vic High was another one. But all that stuff, the BCGA is still there in an archive, right? Overgrow is not. And that's where a lot of the contemporary movement happens. You know, a lot of the early 2000s, a lot of the sour work, a lot of the stuff with, you know, I won't name his name. He starts with an R. But, you know, a lot of that, the BX stuff that he was doing, you know, evolved out of those forums.

35:53Collin PalmerAnd then Chemdog and JJ, all these guys. I mean, it's the fabric of contemporary varietals. I think we all found a meeting spot there.

36:01SpeakerWhat I remember was Hyde. Selling STS at an outrageous price. And I told everybody how to do it for free. And he got very, very annoyed at me.

36:17Collin PalmerYeah, I think he's learned some lessons over the years. Ultimately, I think he means well.

36:22SpeakerI think a lot of people in cannabis mean well, but it doesn't mean that they always do well.

36:31Collin PalmerYeah, well said, actually. Wow. That's some profound words right there.

36:36BubblemanYeah, Overgrow was the beginning of kind of this new level of community that had never really existed before. It was so underground. And then suddenly, like, you could just go on a website. And I remember it was like 98 or 99. And Breeders Steve was like, oh, you know, come see me on Overgrow. I'm in the shark tank. And I was like, I had no idea what he was talking about.

37:01BubblemanI didn't really like what. And then, of course, I went on Overgrow just to find him. And it was just like him talking the most amount of crazy shit you could possibly imagine. And I was just like, dude, what the fuck is this site? He's like, it's the Shark Tank, man. Anything goes. You know, I like, you know, you just I was like, OK, well, this is weird.

37:22BubblemanSo I never went in there again. I only went in the Shark Tank one time. And then very shortly after, I would go. I would be asked by Shabang, the guy who created the site, to run a hash and processing forum, which had not existed online yet. Before ICMAG, CannabisCulture.com, CannabisWorld, Cannabis.com, all of those sites had many different forums, but none of them had hash and processing forums.

37:53BubblemanThe first one was on Overgrow. And I remember being a little bit bummed because before it was really like guys like myself and Bushy and Gypsy Nirvana that would just post in the photo forum. And everyone posted in the photo forum. And so it was this hotbed of activity. And then once he subcategorized everything, you had to start posting your grows in this one, your outdoors in this one, your...

38:21BubblemanHash in this one and so it split us all up and divided us all for the first we had just finally gotten a spot where we could all together kind of communicate and so it became a little bit of like this splintered thing where we were now in these small rooms and we each you know there eventually what would happen was people would build those rooms up to become like hotbeds of activity in their selves and then of course you could you know travel through three or four or five of them depending on what you're Likes were, but Overgrow was a big deal.

38:53BubblemanAnd when it went down, it was a big deal. It was kind of up there with when they arrested Mark and Michelle and Greg and said they were going to send them back down to America there, the DEA. That was another kind of milestone experience in not a good way for cannabis in Canada in particular.

39:14Collin PalmerYeah. The RMCP is it? They took control of the servers. The RCMP, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just remember it. I just get emails from everybody being like, dude, delete everything. You know? Yeah, it was bad, man.

39:29Johnny BThe block SUVs pulled up. Mark came out the block with Jody. They arrested him and they walked him out the front door and fucking put him in the fucking SUV.

39:37BubblemanThose dudes with the balaclavas.

39:39Johnny BIt was like...

39:42Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, I remember, I just remember meeting some of the most amazing individuals that sent me such awesome cultivars and offspring. I mean, I had such a blast trading and collecting varietals all through that time and banking what I still have today.

40:00BubblemanIt was incredible.

40:02Collin PalmerIt really was.

40:02BubblemanI can't even tell you. That was the beginning of Fresh Hatties and Bubble Bags. That was like without overgrow.

40:09Collin PalmerI had to handle. We didn't even know each other's name. It was like, you know, it was amazing. And then the chat forum. What was that chat forum we used to go on?

40:23BubblemanThat was Steppenwolf's chat forum. True stoners.

40:26Collin PalmerThat was awesome.

40:28BubblemanMiss Jill was in there. Everybody. Jack and Jill were in there. And so it was like Cash Bean was in there and some other. Yeah. CACA.

40:39Collin PalmerYeah. 420 was in there. I remember.

40:41BubblemanIt's weird to not even have known a lot of these people by their names. How did they follow? A lot I did, but. So.

40:48Etienne FontanHow did it evolve after the bust? So, I mean, it carried on. As you said, Colm, he made you aware. Oh, my God. You know, erase your shit, hide your shit. But it evolved, right? It evolved into something else and other communication fields. Yeah.

41:03BubblemanYeah, but it never evolved into anything as good as it was at the time. That was the hit. So yes, you know, Gypsy stepped in and he did international canagraphic. And at the time he was selling so many seeds and he just had money to burn. I remember he went and bought this beautiful brand new Jaguar that we like ripped up and down the Autobahn in Germany going like ungodly speeds.

41:25Etienne FontanOh yeah, that beautiful magazine. Well, that's it.

41:29BubblemanHe started the magazine. He wanted to do the magazine as the big thing, but then video every story and add a DVD at the end of the magazine so you can put that in. So it's like you could read about our adventure in Jamaica or whatever, and it was like a 10 or 12 page article. But then at the end of the book, you'll see a disc, you pop that in, now it's a live video of our adventure in Jamaica that you just looked and read through with photos.

41:58BubblemanIt was a baller concept for a magazine.

42:01SpeakerI liked International Canagraphic Magazine because I always liked National Geographic.

42:11BubblemanI couldn't believe he didn't get sued for the name, to be honest, but he pulled it off.

42:16Johnny BOkay, so why I'm so happy here right now is because I just, I have the rosin, and I got the weed, and I got the joint, and it just like...

42:27Collin PalmerI just signed in to ISC Mag, just to see. You guys are getting me all nostalgic.

42:33Johnny BNice.

42:35Etienne FontanI know, I want to go find in my letter. I have a copy of the magazine, at least the first issue.

42:39Collin PalmerThey deleted all of our old messages though, dude. There's no... Oh my gosh, that's too bad.

42:48SpeakerYou know what I'm talking about.

42:51Collin PalmerThey purged the site and all of this, like all my info, all my conversation with like Bog and... Even 8077, the Calio, the guy who created Calio. I mean, they're not here anymore. It's crazy.

43:06SpeakerCalio? Is that California Orange?

43:09Collin PalmerYeah, it was just a particular selection. And he swears he selected...

43:14SpeakerSo he didn't create Calio?

43:16Collin PalmerNo, no. He just had a particular cut of it from the stock. And he swears that it came from the stock one, not the Calio. He said it was like an outer laying... You know, Fino that he found in a skunk one hunt that he did.

43:31SpeakerNo, no, no, no, no. Those two had no relationship whatsoever. I know because I'm the one who spread Calio. It was a part of me who bred it up by Santa Rosa in Sebastopol. And now it...

43:49Etienne FontanSo you don't believe that that team... Ed got a cut from that guy, and that's why we perpetuated Calio in the Bay Area for the early on medical cannabis.

44:00SpeakerI sold huge numbers of Calios seeds, both in California and in Holland. Tons.

44:09Etienne FontanGrew tons of it too. I mean, that was a lot of the clones that went out. Like I said, we used to pump out 5,000 clones a week, and I'd say a solid 1,500 to 2,000 a week were Calio.

44:21SpeakerYeah, man, there's no... Yeah, it was actually quite interesting weed. I related a lot to it because it was, you know, on the level with Stunk, it was just different.

44:37Collin PalmerChanged my life, to be honest, Callio. I was a teenager at the time when I was given that clone, and I'd grown a lot of gassy stuff, some fruity stuff, but nothing that actually was that citrus. And I remember... I was at the time really studying percussion, like studying, you know, a fusion seven, eight timeframes and stuff. And I was just smoking that Calio and just like working on stick movements and trying to get my, my patterns right.

45:08Collin PalmerAnd I just had this epiphany with that varietal that it's, it was very uplifting, very focused. It made me very focused. But it tasted like nothing I'd ever, ever had. So thank you, Sam.

45:20SpeakerI crushed number one with Calio. And selections were made of that. And that's what became Tangy.

45:34Collin PalmerSo yeah, so again, on ICMAG, again, history is lost. Like I look at those messages as like history because we're talking about the varietals. I talked to Bog back and forth. Hey, this outcross that you sent me of these tester seeds was better than the next. Like all that's gone now. Get it.

45:54Johnny BAll that old stuff's gone. All the stuff from cannabis, everything got kind of wiped out.

45:59SpeakerWell, not everything's gone because I've been running a... Bibliography, cannabis bibliography. That's alphabetized and by subject, about 20 different subjects. And it's still there.

46:18Johnny BI'm just thinking in my brain here like what we got to do is you got to create something around it like create a history like of course with AI and I'm like huge in AI right now in a huge way I'm just my brain turning here and how it can create like an agent or a GDP around this completely from house church go through all the things grab all of that info that you're looking for and create it around there start archiving it and creating that I've got most of it already being created through a lot of other stuff so being able to kind of bring in that information

46:48SpeakerI'd say in general, you know, AI makes some interesting documents, but it also can really have its ass up its head and it just makes mistakes that are just any human being would see.

47:09Johnny BThat's the thing about AI is it's advancements. So there are different ways of being able to, it comes down to the prompting and how you communicate with AI to get the information that you're actually truly looking for.

47:22SpeakerWell, it also is picking up all this information from the internet. And I think a few of us know that the internet is not exactly 100% reliable. What? Who won?

47:39Etienne FontanWell, I remember somebody was documenting for a while. Weren't they doing transcripts, Bubble Man? A full-on transcript of every conversation in Hash Church for a while there?

47:49BubblemanYeah, something like that. That's outrageous.

47:53Collin PalmerYou know, I've been asked by companies to develop AI applications for formulation. And it's just the issue that's there right now is that we as in the cannabis world aren't there yet. So how do we expect technology that's developing to get there and meet us where we're at?

48:13SpeakerThey want the technology to drag us into the real world.

48:18Collin PalmerYeah, but I do think over time, you know, you ingest more. It's kind of like the genomic research type things. It's like as we ingest more, it'll spit back out more data that is digestible that we can actually use. But it's going to take a lot of time. But it is a really it is a tool that's not going anywhere. So.

48:38BubblemanWell, it learns from you too, not just the internet. So if you're, it's just a matter of playing around with it and you can, you know, throw the first time you play around with it, you're like, oh, this isn't accurate. I've been playing with it for a couple of years now. And when I ask it, To like write an SOP for me and I'll use very specific language so that it ties back to me and my SOPs.

49:01BubblemanYou can also make it write things to sound like you. It will literally write things that are like of your, like if you read it, you're like, whoa, I feel like I wrote this. So, but that's all about learning how to use it. The internet wasn't too different. When people first started like searching the internet, people weren't good at searching and some people were like spectacular at it.

49:24BubblemanThey just knew the right things to write in to like hone in on what they were looking for much quicker than other people who were just like leaving it too broad, you know, pulling in too many other subjects into the search. So that's just my perspective on it, but it's interesting.

49:43Etienne FontanWe use it to, I mean, once we, when I'm saying we, my veterans group, we work at the international and national level and we're working on legislation. All we do is take our verbal vomit, as we say, and then put it into proper legal ease. So it has its, you know, its opportunities. I like the idea of what John is bringing forward. I don't know what it will return.

50:09Etienne FontanI'm curious as to what It would return if it could scour all of the hash churches to start bringing up information because there's so much information. Is there a way to actually catalog it in a way for people to realize the different chapters of data? I mean, it's a fucking encyclopedia of years of information and that it could actually be...

50:40SpeakerWhy don't you try asking AI, what is the best weed in the world and why?

50:49Johnny BOh yeah, let's just ask. I have one called Strainpedia that actually looks at every strain and has scraped data through Python code and stuff like that so it can identify everything.

50:58SpeakerWell, I can already tell you, there is no best weed. There is weed that's... Different people will find thefts.

51:07BubblemanDo you want to hear what Chad GPT said? I think you'll be interested, Sam.

51:14SpeakerWhat did it say?

51:16BubblemanIt's still going. Well, I haven't seen that one come up, but number three was definitely Durban Poison.

51:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI thought it might ask you for a printout of your biome first so that it could properly match.

51:35Etienne FontanUploading volume now. Oh my God. Good to see you, Dragonfly. How y'all doing?

51:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineVery well. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us today. And it's a beautiful day here in our neighborhood. Beautiful.

51:51BubblemanI got it going on too, Johnny. It says, conclusion, the best weed often depends on what you're looking for, whether it's a balanced high, medical benefits, flavor, or sheer potency. Strains like Runtz, OG Kush, and Durban Poison stand out for their legendary status, effects, and consistency. Harlequin, with its medical benefits, especially ties back to your connection with Wade Laughter's work. So that's my chat GPT. So it searches information based on me.

52:17BubblemanSo look at that, chat GPT, drop in Wade Laughter. In the search. Sounds pretty cool. That's awesome.

52:25Johnny BI put one through one called Strainpedia, and this one goes, best cannabis strains rely strongly depends on personal preferences, desired effects, and special needs. Some people prefer strains from relaxation. Best relaxation, sleep, and the condominium strains. Granddaddy, perps, northern lights, classic strains. Best for creativity and energy. Sour, diesel, uplifting, jack, famous for its clear-headed. Best balanced strains, hybrids, blue dream, gelato, no first smooth. Best pain relief strains.

52:54Johnny BACDC, Girl Scout Cookies, Best Friend Mood and Boost, Pineapple Express, Lemon Haze. Best strains depend on experience that you're looking for. So what do you feel? What experience are you looking for? Now it's going to keep asking you questions and now it's going to keep what you want.

53:09SpeakerI should mention that I did ask Chat GP, I don't know, maybe two weeks ago about myself. And it wrote a speech which I sent to several of my friends because I thought it sounded way cooler than I thought. I really am.

53:29Johnny BNow I created this one called Cannabis Concierge. It's for identifying, you can take a picture of any legal weed in Canada and it'll tell you who grew it, its efficiencies and everything. So I'm just going to go on and go into this one because now I'm just curious because I just put that into one and be able to create these custom GTPs so we can actually take a look at how we can actually use them to help others is really cool.

53:51Johnny BAnd that's what it really comes down to. So I got this one called the Ultimate Cannabis Concierge. So it's a virtual bud tender. And I can ask it, I want to buy some, one of the best cannabis strains. Let's see what it has to say. So all of these little guidances give you the best strains. Here it comes, Blue Dream again. See, look at this, Effect, Sour Diesel, Santa Girl Scope Cookies, Effects, Granddaddy Purps, Green Crack, Sativas, Wedding Cake, Pineapple Express, Keeps Going, White Widow, Hybrid.

54:21Johnny BLove it. What strains you back to?

54:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo it's interesting how they mix the old strains with the new strains and call them legacy or just, you know, and all that stuff. That's that part's interesting.

54:31Etienne FontanSo it's like they're all available in a store altogether like that, right?

54:36Johnny BWe build a dragon earth medicine like agent of everything that you would do and you archive that and you create that you put into a system and that's what the same thing you do with. And you would create your agent of everything, what you're about. And that way, they're not, and the information that's out there is coming from you. And that's what a lot of the story, that's what a lot of people are doing right now.

54:57Johnny BThey're creating their own custom, they're themselves. So there's a lot of people faking out there, right? So, and that's the whole thing. So you get an opportunity to actually give it the context of who you are and what your beliefs are. Like Mark, it brings up his already dialogue, what he's already talking with that. That's why I brought it up. You know, already things that are related to him.

55:18Johnny BSo if you do with mine, it's going to bring up things related to everything that I'm about, right? So you're building super intelligence.

55:25SpeakerWhat percent of the people out there really know themselves and are truthful about themselves?

55:33BubblemanOh, gosh, the small number. It's a small number. I did ask it about you, Sam, and it's pretty interesting. It's like going through your whole, I just said, hey, tell me about Skunk Man Sam. Boom. It's even got your controversy in there, man.

55:51Etienne FontanIt's legendary. I mean, you said with the breakdown, I'd love to see, actually, Sam, if you could email me that, I'd love to see it just for my own shit.

56:01SpeakerI think it's worth a lot of money. Yeah. Everything you do is worth a lot of money. How much Bitcoin will you give me?

56:09Etienne FontanThat's funny. I love you.

56:17BubblemanHey, so I see...

56:19Etienne FontanI just got a curiosity. How are things coming out this year? Have y'all started harvesting? Is it done? Is it coming in soon? How's your crop looking this year? Fuck, it's going on.

56:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you for asking. We've had a spectacular year, although... We had a very challenging year and we had an incredible massive fire in our backyard. A lot of people saw it. And I just want to give thanks so much for all the prayers that people put out, you know, for our farm. And it was very scary. You know, the whole entire community was evacuated. We're completely surrounded by trees and forest.

56:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the fire came all the way down to our properties. And there was, you know, smoke and everything in the air for two or three weeks. And but we have greenhouses and we light depth and we light up really because this area is very pretty difficult to grow. And it's a difficult bioregion. It's up in the mountains of northern, not northern, but southern British Columbia and a northern climate.

57:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Growing outdoors, you don't get the same expressions off a lot of the plants that people want to smoke. So we, we choose to light up and we have six, you know, we have some, a good amount of green, we have some greenhouses. And so we, it also covers the greenhouses from the air, you know, and it blocks it. It blocks a lot of bad rains or whatever from, from the plants.

57:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd so it really, I'm not going to say I totally covered it because the sides are always open, but like our plants did amazing. They did amazing. There's zero smoke flavor in anything. And in the last two years, we started light depping starting at six o'clock at night and then open instead of eight to eight because we don't have like a fully automated greenhouse. There's no electricity.

58:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe go for passive. You know, passive geothermal and air exchange and everything. And that's why we keep our doors open. So in the past, we've closed at eight and opened it at eight. But then you have two windows of the plant trying to wake up or go to sleep. And any light leaks or anything in there just really affects it. And in the morning, the plants really want to wake up.

58:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAfter a long day of sun, they're ready to go to sleep. And it's a technique used in Northern California and Southern Oregon quite a bit to close your greenhouses at six, the light depth at six o'clock and then open it up when the light comes up. I was concerned for our Northern climate that it's up the lights broad daylight at 4 a.m. You know, we're starting light up in mid June, you know, and you know, to the end of June to try and we need to be done by September in our area in order to get proper flavor and proper terpene expression.

59:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOtherwise, the cold nights come in and they really stop the progression of the flower. There are strains that progress in the fall. That's funny. You couldn't see it for a sec. Is that an outdoor?

59:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThis is a greenhouse. Nice. Yeah. And honestly, the greenhouse light dep is our favorite flower to smoke. It's just a beautiful expression of the plant. And so, yeah, we started light depping in the middle of June. The light comes up at four. We close the greenhouse at 6 a.m. And then we just check the lumen meter on the phone until there's zero lumens and we open it up by, you know, midsummer and the end of June or July.

1:00:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's about 10 o'clock at night. By the time, you know, July rolls through and August rolls through, by the time you're done with your light depth cycle, it's probably eight o'clock, maybe seven. And then they start getting into the, so also people will start going, oh, I'm going to stop light depping. I'm right around September 21st, you know, which is the equinox, which you would expect 12, 12.

1:00:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut if you're light depping eight to eight and then you just stop, then the whole morning cycle and the light, it just, it changes the plants. It's not proper. But with our night depping, it's just the flowers turn, I've turned out so spectacular. We're not having any powdery mildew or, you know, way less any botrytis molds. It's a phenomenal situation. Their plants are able to breathe at night.

1:00:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey can see northern lights and You know, they can see the moon, they can get air, breath, you know, and for us, that's what we want out of our plants. We want that spiritual connection. We want that earth connection. We want the air to flow through, make the stalks stronger, push the roots into the ground. Towards the end of our cycle, we don't water in our greenhouse.

1:01:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd two of our greenhouses, it was two months. And towards the even the hottest ended part of the summer, but it's the way that we build our soil. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:01:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo the roots are just wrapping in and they're just, they're getting, it's like dry farming towards the end and it's better for molds. So we had a spectacular year. We feel very blessed because we persevered. We didn't evacuate. We were one of the few people in our community to stay in our house the whole entire time. We cleaned our forest. We put in extra water. I mean, man, and our family rose to the occasion, you know, and I just want to give thanks to my family.

1:02:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineKelly's not here right now. She's doing some work for our conference, which we're also really excited about. And Skye and Sierra and everyone. We just, we had an amazing team. So much help from our friends and family who came and dropped off cars and trucks. Big love to Tom Van Stiesbergen yesterday for that insane Red Bull ride on the mountain bike. I don't know who follows mountain bikes in here, but...

1:02:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOur son Sky went down and dug for Tom Van Steeze. We call him Steezy, Van Steesbergen. That's what we call him. And yeah, he did the world's largest front flip yesterday. It was like 70 some feet and then followed it up with a flat drop, a backflip. And The whole day was insane and you got best trick and you know, so we're really pretty stoked with our family right now and the community at large.

1:03:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's tough times in all honesty. It's tough times, but it's this. engagement that really just saves the day it saves the day i've had some beautiful conversations with wade on the side uh you know everyone else and so you know every day is a blessing and it's a big teaching that we're not owed anything in life there's no guarantees we don't get something because we're somebody or we're a certain color or we look a certain way we have to really earn What we get in life and it's true intention and love that really brings that together.

1:03:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it also brings you through, you know, interesting times, we'll call them. So that's a quick wrap up on how our year is. We're very thankful. And you know, what more can I say?

1:04:11BubblemanAwesome, dude. Thanks for sharing. Glad to have you here. And yeah, we'll talk about that conference that you guys are doing a little later on. Maybe if Kelly makes it on, she can she can share some of that as well with you. And I definitely watched the insane. I wouldn't call it an adventure. It was more like a drama. Thank you so much.

1:04:47BubblemanOnce you've died, you'll just hear people say the nicest shit about you. You're gone. It's like, oh, man, he was such a good dude. And then when you have dramas like this, you can also see you can kind of we have to figure out a way in life to get this love that we have for one another to express itself, not just when we die and not just when we're suffering, but just maybe just on a nice day, you know, without any other

1:05:15BubblemanThanks for watching.

1:05:30BubblemanJump and like super awesome dude that's 70 feet is that's bonkers that's like that's death you will like it's it's legitimately life-threatening you know yeah we have to question you know the worth and the value in it but in the end it's just this it's just personal

1:05:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's your soul.

1:05:51BubblemanIt's taking your line, you know, like on the mountain. It's like taking your line in life. And I appreciate that about pro mountain bikers and snowboarders and skiers and sledders and dirt bikes and all the sort of things that, yeah, you know, I mean, listen, I fell 10 feet, 15 feet maximum off a skateboard and completely broke my clavicle like five weeks ago, 70 feet. And it's like, whew, like the speed that you would have.

1:06:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIn 2021, he took a devastating crash. He had at that point, the world's largest front flip. He landed it. He got super excited and went to do a, let's call it a routine backflip. And he landed wrong and went over the bars and crumbled. Literally, he just went dull on the ground and everyone was just like, oh my God, what's happening? And he broke like, and Kelly could tell the exact things that he broke, but it was like both hips, you know, back, spine, ribs, collarbone.

1:06:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt was to the point where he had to completely re-walk. And it's spectacular the work that Kelly's doing with these athletes. And a lot of the top professional athletes are really starting to come to her. And it's mind-blowing seeing the world's greatest athletes be guided by athletes Allopathic healing to where it doesn't actually heal the injury or the accident. And that's Kelly's term. And she really believes in healing the incident and the accident.

1:07:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd the injury is what I want to say, the injury and the accident, because one thing to heal your body, but then to heal the mental component is a really the most important one. And, you know, just directing these writers towards a spiritual connection, right? These guiders towards a better diet. I mean, they're going to the world's best doctors and they're traveling to Europe and all over the world.

1:07:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd there's zero mention about food. It's just kind of like, just do your life. Don't worry about it. Take this and that. And it's easy to get caught up in addictions. I don't these guys are not and ladies are not getting into that. But I know people get involved with addictions in that. And the cannabis and other herbal medicines truly build you back up and to a point where you can Thank you so much for joining us.

1:08:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd these five elements cover every aspect of our life. And if we take the time and spend it learning about the earth and then we take the time and we spend it and we learn about air and take the time water and take the time with fire. And then we added metal. It allows you to truly master what's around you or at least get different ideas from different people.

1:09:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we're really blessed. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:09:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we're doing an online conference and we're working together with this new platform called ESIS.life. And it's something that we're really excited about. And we think it's a new paradigm and a new platform to work with, to embody what we do in our life and to really show people a different way. And on a lot of social medias, it's really easy to get your account taken and things taken from you, especially if you're saying something that's controversial based off what they're saying.

1:10:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo this conference is an opportunity to really share a fractal of different ideas at a community. Yeah, that's that's a bit about what we're what we're doing. And it's happening this weekend online and people can check it out. We have a lot of posts up on our Instagram page right now and collaborating with other people as well.

1:10:27BubblemanAwesome, brother. Well, everyone's happy to hear it. And I'm sure you'll get lots of support at your conference. I know I'll be there for my talk. It's 66 people talking for 20 minutes at a time. It's like 27 hours of like conference. It's going to be it's going to be quite something.

1:10:47Etienne FontanHey, Marcus, you mentioned your broken shoulder clavicle. Are you upping your CBD intake? Because, you know, there's studies that show how, you know, CBD along with bone repair. I was wondering if you had done any cannabis preventatives there.

1:11:03BubblemanI take like 100 milligrams of CBD isolate a day. And then I just, you know, take anywhere from 20 to 50 milligrams of THC. And then I chain smoke dabs from morning, noon till night. So it's, it seems to be working, I feel pretty strong. I mean, I had a little relapse falling at John's house, I was hurt the next day. But then two days later, I was like, I think it's back to back to fairly normal again.

1:11:37BubblemanThanks for asking.

1:11:42Etienne FontanGood to see Wade. How are you doing, Wade?

1:11:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMaybe muted.

1:11:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSorry, no. Yeah, I was muted. But um, Yeah, we're, I'm going to be able to stay here for a little bit of time, but we have this big day planned and we're getting ready to go down to Oregon and we're going to do a partial in-person conference in Oregon as well. So we're going to meet up with some people down there and go tour some farms as well, which we're really excited about.

1:12:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBeautiful.

1:12:19SpeakerGo ahead, Wade. I'm doing okay. I, uh, I'm holding fast on the idea that my spirit and my soul, my heart are doing just fine. It's my body that's wrestling with the reality of my condition. I had a really interesting experience last night. For a little while, A tooth in my mouth has been bothering me. And Monica offered to make up a clay mixture with some essential oils.

1:13:03SpeakerHello, terpenes. Put it on the tooth last night. And this racing heart rate thing that I've been dealing with for months disappeared. Now, I don't know if it's because the broken tooth, it's broken below the gum line and kind of hanging in there. If the broken tooth has gotten infected and that's why I've had all of this racing heart thing, but I've never had a temperature or a fever that would indicate that and never had elevated white blood cell count.

1:13:43SpeakerBut I'm really intrigued at the idea that if it's not the toothache that's been triggering all of this rapid heart rate thing, that the essential oils that Monica incorporated into the clay had an effect on my body that allowed last night lots of moving around and sorting out what the heck was going on. The most, the rapid, the highest heart rate I saw was 85 beats a minute, which is For months, that's been in the normal range for me.

1:14:16SpeakerAnd that was the very highest. So I'm really fascinated at the terpenes that were in that play and their effect on my body. And if it's not the terpenes, then it must be the tooth, in which case I'm going to see a dentist this week. Other than that, Wade's doing pretty good.

1:14:40BubblemanAwesome, man. Well, thanks for sharing that. That's wild. I'll never forget visiting John in the hospital with the terpenes and putting that he had just had like spinal surgery. And I was putting terps under his nose. And when I put this like, I think it was purple punch. Purple punch. He just like sprang up almost. It was like, dude, whoa, what the fuck, bro? Like, relax. You're in the like, you just had surgery on your spine.

1:15:07BubblemanTook my pain away. It took my pain away.

1:15:12Johnny BSo when I started really looking at how terpenes were really taking a look at how teeth seem modulated, that effect and that purple punch, it's like grandma's apple pie, right? Old factory. It really just took over the sensation. All I could think about was that smell and that flavor. So I didn't feel the pain. So it was just that was that was the near association or something like grandma's apple pie that was it when that's what the best thing is about about cannabis is it takes it to a place where it brings us to a place of of relaxation or a terpene or a smell or an incident and stuff like that so it's it's a major anchor for me and and i love it because someone brought some weed to me when i was at the event i'd grow up and i'm like whoa what is that and i'm like grabbed between goes oh that's a purple punch you go he goes here have some and i Thank you.

1:16:02Johnny BI know that's my flavor. All right. So that's, there's certain flavors that are going to work for you. When you identify that, then you'll, you'll, that's, that's your best friend. That's best friend just showed up.

1:16:14BubblemanZachary Pierce has a question in the chat room. He thinks it might be for Wade, but I guess it could be anyone. Hey guys, I have a question for Wade probably. What are the pediatric issues that cause people to say that cannabis shouldn't be as commonly used for kids or with kids like Motrin or OTC cold meds?

1:16:39SpeakerWell, I'm not a doctor, but in working with kids, I've always been amazed at how easily doctors and family members are down with giving heavy drugs to kids, but they shy away from cannabis. And I can only assume that's just residual fear based on prohibition. And I can't remember the... The woman who did a study, a longitudinal study on mothers in Jamaica who consumed cannabis. And Sam probably, somebody on this panel I'm sure knows the name of the person I'm thinking of.

1:17:24SpeakerBut what she found. Go ahead, Sam. Ruben. Thank you. Yes. And what she found again and again. Actually better outcomes for children whose mothers consumed cannabis while they were pregnant and nursing. Just got to say, it probably has something to do with the endocannabinoid system and providing phytocannabinoids to these children. And one of these days we're going to get over the fear that's residual from prohibition and the ignorance of misinformation that's so readily provided by certain people in our culture.

1:18:02SpeakerPublic Health Institute calling you out.

1:18:07SpeakerAnyway, yeah, there's no question in my mind that cannabis has far fewer adverse effects for children than most of the over-the-counter and prescription drugs that are given for everything from a head cold to epilepsy. And I'll shut up now.

1:18:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI don't think anyone ever needs you to shut up, Wade.

1:18:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, none of those drugs that were just mentioned here anything. All they do is mask something until your body somehow after being stripped, you know, you know, those those go and those drugs go into your biome and they strip your lining of your intestines and they strip the lining of your stomach. Thank you for joining us.

1:19:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's unfortunate with cannabis that it's not just the stigma. It's the continuation of doctors putting a line in the sand. And this happens all the time. Oh, I'm super open to cannabis. There's a lot of people that do it. All I ask is if you work with me and you take my drugs, you don't do those. And we hear it all the time. It's nonstop. So it's not just the stigma.

1:19:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's this constant repetition of doctors coming in and really giving us an ultimatum that says, hey, we don't support this and we don't find any value in it. Meanwhile, on the flip side, there are people and families That use cannabis the whole entire pregnancy. In many cases, it's generational. People may not talk about it because you become a target. But in some cases, cannabis use is generational.

1:20:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd often, if you combine that with organic food, a healthy way of life, spring water, You have an extremely good chance to heal yourself and your children. Not everyone can do that. I know that, but it can be a goal for you to shoot for. But I would just encourage people to trust in cannabis as medicine. Finding the right dose has been talked about a million times on Hash Church, and I feel like that's extremely important.

1:20:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGo in slow on a new dose. Package because every package could be slightly different, but that's slightly different. I feel like is healthy. I think you getting this regimen and this exact same isolated milligram every single time really doesn't speak to a dynamic body. It doesn't speak to a dynamic system, you know, which is all of the mitochondria, all the cells, everything in our body. I mean, we're more than what we think we are.

1:21:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo we feed our soil. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:21:39BubblemanMojave and Chimera in the chat, in the YouTube chat. We've got 332 people watching live this morning at 1021 a.m. Beautiful day in British Columbia.

1:21:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIs it still a heat wave down in California, Wade or ATN?

1:21:59Etienne FontanNo, it passed. Carl came back in midweek. And it's been beautiful and cool. There was, you know, the Northern Lights were out. So, you know, there was that. But no, it's, I haven't smelled any smoke here in the Bay Area. I've been very fortunate this year and hope it stays that way. But of course, you know, we toured various farms over the weeks and Plants are looking good.

1:22:27Etienne FontanIt looks to be a solid, you know, outdoor crop this year for sure. So I'm very happy to see it, smell it, and look forward to smoking it in person soon. But that's our visuals. How about you, Wade? How's it up on the mountain?

1:22:50SpeakerIt's still warm.

1:22:53SpeakerTemperature got down to around 50 Fahrenheit last night. So, you know, that's that's pretty okay by us. Beautiful fall. And the few cannabis plants I've had the opportunity to visit with this year. Are looking very happy. I'll say it like that. And of course, all of them are outdoor plants. It looks like it's going to be a good year for California cannabis, at least in Nevada County.

1:23:21SpeakerThat's the case.

1:23:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHey, Colin, it looks like you went to Taproot Farms and saw the family over there. And we really love those guys. And how was that trip for you?

1:23:33Collin PalmerIt was awesome. So we've been chatting for months.

1:23:39Collin PalmerSo I, my cousin and I went over there to kind of analyze the farm, check on their practices, see if they were what they said they were. Totally are what they say they are. Great guys. Great people. Love to get them certified. You know, I think that we talked about that. So I want to talk to you guys about that. And they're really open to it. So there's just a few things we got to do on the farm I saw, but not too much of a heavy lift, I think.

1:24:07Collin PalmerAnd they're just great people who care about Just care. I think that's just the word. I'm not saying there's not people that don't care, but they're actionable about the things they care about and they're actually doing them. They're composting. They are doing what they say they're doing, much like all of us. We really put our ethics into action. And I think that's what I saw. And my cousin said that to me when we left.

1:24:36Collin PalmerHe's like, you know, The biggest takeaway here is that I see they care. And that's, you know, we don't see a whole lot of that at a lot of the farms we've toured, although they care in different ways. So I think it's really inspiring to see like-minded individuals. I'm excited to be working with them. We're going to be doing some collaborations moving forward on genetics and It'll be fun.

1:25:03Collin PalmerSo I, you know, we need more of that in every single market. I know Brian's doing a lot of that work too, which is amazing. And we all need to stick together and work together and continue to work together. And, you know, I want to work with Brian too and bring him into New York and Thank you so much for joining us.

1:25:42Collin PalmerIt's becoming real. And I think that there's others out there that we can bring in into the fold for regenerative agriculture and regenerative practices that allow us to kind of go and change the needle You know, towards what we believe is a better future. And I think that's the underlying theme here is we have to assess where we're at and understand that there's many ways to get to where we want to go.

1:26:10Collin PalmerHowever, there are really thoughtful, important steps we need to make in agriculture to be able to do that sustainably and respectfully. So that's the number one thing that I think I'm excited to see. But they they're just awesome guys. All of them, Josh Lee, Travis.

1:26:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineTravis, yeah, those guys, and the amazing food production, amazing food production. They're growing organic food and marketing it. They also have some really interesting gathering spaces they were telling us about where we could potentially do events or something. So you may have checked that out and that's really cool too.

1:26:49Collin PalmerYeah, we talked about that actually. I said... Yeah, there's so much to catch up on, Josh.

1:26:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFair enough. We'll have time. We got to get you on a phone call. Also, Brian, best friend, we got to get you on a phone call. We're excited about having you in the conference as well. And also... Yeah, I mean, the the crazy runs, the L.A. Cush crazy runs cross that those guys made this year was like, whoa. And we there was like, I love that bluish bud that's like blue.

1:27:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then it's just got the silver crystals wrapped around it. And so I don't know, the grateful breath that we grew is very similar to that. And I just think it's a beautiful look.

1:27:29Collin PalmerAnd it's yeah, so exactly. So the the KR3, I checked out the gelato that they have coming down the The super boof. I mean, all of it.

1:27:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo the orange madness from the year before was really good. It was an orange creamsicle. Yeah, we actually was super nice. The purple one was like not as dynamic. I didn't think, but it was.

1:27:54Collin PalmerYeah, no, it's funny you say that. We all were sitting around a table trying all that. And the KR3 is actually what is the reason we all connected. Like we met at a... On an event. And he just handed me two, two sample bags. And I like running across the event and being like, who is that guy? Where is he? Um, we gotta talk. Cause you know, it's very, um, I'll be honest.

1:28:18Collin PalmerThere's, I encourage everyone to give me herb because I want to try their work and understand where everyone's doing. There's very few people that hand me herbs like that. And, you know, it's just checks all the boxes. It's really delicious. And you could feel when you try it, the care that went into it. So it just, it was real headies. And it's awesome to see that because that's what we all are after.

1:28:42Collin PalmerYou know, it's cool.

1:28:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey won a bunch of awards for that. I saw recently at some event there.

1:28:48Collin PalmerYeah, so we, so the New York Small Farmer, I'm on the board of directors that works with all the small farms in New York State. We held an event. They won the Harvest Cup on flying colors. I just, all the entries, it was, it was, they were the best, I think. So they're just doing great work. So, and I'm sure there's more growers out there, I'm sure, that are listening that, You know, you're getting ready and getting going.

1:29:17Collin PalmerSo can't wait to see you guys out here and contribute because we need more of it. There's been a lot of difficulty with remediated cannabis in New York State going to market. So it's been tough.

1:29:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSpectacular. Chimera, it's nice to see you. I hope all is well with you. Everyone, we're going to take off now. I got to get going. And I really appreciate the time. If anyone's interested, please check out our website, you know, our page and the Five Elemental Conference. I think it'll be very valuable. I hope everyone's doing well. I hope your families are doing well. And I hope you have a wonderful day.

1:29:55BubblemanThanks for coming up, Josh. Appreciate you.

1:29:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSay hi to Kelly. See you soon.

1:30:00BubblemanThank you so much. Welcome, Ryan and Brian. Ryan and Brian, both popping in at a similar time. Look at you guys. Names that rhyme and so much in common in regards to loving dank weed.

1:30:17Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's true. It's true. I just was going to chip in that I heard good things about Taproots also from some musician friends of mine, Colin.

1:30:27Collin PalmerYeah, your buddy Van.

1:30:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsJohn Brown is back on the circuit here.

1:30:33Collin PalmerYeah, so we got to catch up.

1:30:37Bryan Best Friend FarmsBut yeah, we should catch up and talk. So a lot of different moving pieces with art and just nothing but good things that I hear about those guys over there lately.

1:30:47Collin PalmerYeah, they're just, they're one of us, man. I'll just, you guys are listening out there at Taproot Fields. You guys are blessed and it's amazing to be among everybody and inspired by one another. So thanks for caring.

1:31:03BubblemanThere's a lot of good people out there when you when you hone in on them, you know, there's a lot of good people out there, especially it's easy to complain about a bunch of like bummer people that we find in our industry because there was a lot of them there for a while. But there's like a pretty cool core group of awesome people that are really into doing good things and are really into like sort of using the plant as a guiding light.

1:31:26BubblemanAnd that's I just appreciate those those folks out there. Take it seriously if you're going to if you're going to take it.

1:31:37Johnny BThat was just the bomb rip. Beautiful. Taking it and imagining a future. A flavor. I think it was the masterpiece. Some of the new flavors out there. Yeah, I saw that from Best Friend. I saw Camara showing up his. What would you guys have out there?

1:32:01Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is some GMO by Gas Mask, just some fresh, newly cured milk. So this is actually my new little Piatella baby that I'm working on. Just whipped up this morning. It's got great color and consistency and definitely a raunchy GMO nose on it. The kind of gas cream on the end from the Gas Mask.

1:32:24Johnny BThank you. Thank you. Some new flavors out there being quite actually quite nice. A lot of different female hunting going on.

1:32:40Collin PalmerYeah. I'm feeling this, uh, A bunch of new stuff. We have some ZUZ back crosses that we've been working. Some ZUZ tie that we made. Actually, it's some really cool stuff, man. Seen a lot of really interesting flavor profiles that are just really delicious. Really long-lasting stuff that's more like typical of an OG, but in more of an exotic fruit realm. And with a sweet undertone, which is nice, because haze, the Colombian haze is that sweet, sweet Colombian haze, that piffy sweetness, churchy.

1:33:24Collin PalmerI'm always after trying to find that undertone. It's cool to find it in washers.

1:33:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm trying to look for that too. I got a little bit of not the same piffy spicy haze, but I got some, I have some input from a Ghost Train Banana shirt. So it's, I'm not as familiar with that. Definitely adds a lot of like strong profile in on the haze side, but I'm lending it into the washing plants. Definitely seeing... Like the strawberry profile, Colin, with the, you know, it was, I guess, my strawberry angel food, which went out.

1:33:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsTrop F2 with a ZBX on it. So I'm seeing some like candy Z pop onto the... Strawberry Banana Tangy, some G13 Widow Forum cut back in. So it's a big mash that makes it up. And I'm definitely seeing like a little bit of that haze input that comes out really complex, almost light spice on the fruit. And then I was actually wondering what you're seeing, what you're feeling, what kind of new turn into the, you know, gas fruit mixed together you're feeling.

1:34:31Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, I'm really into... This, this sweet undertone, a lot of the, the, like the old family, old family farm, the strawberry cough stuff, that, that stuff seems to have this church vibe to it. And any outcross that we make with it does that. So we're hunting through a bunch of that kind of that to select something for commercial production. We also, we have, like I said, the Z is the outcrosses.

1:35:01Collin PalmerI have a couple of the stuff we didn't run of it here. Just pull up some of the, and then also Nag Champa. We've been running a bunch of Nag Champa out crosses. Papaya, strawberry, banana. And then these, this whole bag here of stuff. We've been like, yeah, the Zeet, Papaya, Zio Z, 3.0.

1:35:31Collin PalmerThat's really fire. The blueberry thin mint times OGKB. That's really good. We found some excellent phenos in there that are I think will live on and I should give you a few cuts of that. And then Some Fig Widow times Skittles times Skunk. We've just popped, so I'll see how that goes. The Fig Widow to me was like, I don't know if anyone remembers that, but that was a really good hearty one that was really good for outdoor.

1:36:05Collin PalmerSo I'm hoping that we find some strong offspring and influence off of that. But I'm also like kind of, I keep thinking about that. One that we, that you, that we watched together, it was like 7.5%, but the Terps were just like, just wrong, right? Like we didn't like the Terps, like no one wanted it.

1:36:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsThey're like, that's just, I don't know what that is. That was a Romulan BX4 on Sour Best Shit Ever. So like no terp. I just had some hash chocolate made actually hash chocolate bars where I'm actually eating it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like easy to blend in, not terpy.

1:36:50Collin PalmerBut the hash up from it. I mean, Marcus was so clean, man. Like for whatever reason, it just was like some of the cleanest. Like I took, you know, my camera to it and, you know, we've all shot a lot of hash and No cleanup. You know, like I just looked at it. I was like, wow, this is like a good breeder. Yeah. Yeah. A good breeder.

1:37:13Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I'll have to dig back into that. I really should remember the children and I'll dig back in.

1:37:20Collin PalmerYeah. And then the gas mask, you know, that's one of my favorites from you. I think that's that's the flavor profile on that. As you continue to outcross that, I think you just got to find the one that dumps and then

1:37:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, that's why I did this GASMO project. I actually went with like a new back cross in new IDL line, which was, you know, male progeny BX2 gas mask on the GMO cut last year outside. And I'm just like testing it out. I even went back into the mom again from that progeny. So I have some cool stuff to share with you. Yeah. When we meet.

1:38:00Collin PalmerYeah, the one thing that this is another, the other outcross that we're really liking is these, the original Dizzle times Dosey Doe from Archive. We ran a bunch of stuff from him that original Dizzle, because we gave Streamy 420, the original clone, when we were moving back when we were younger. And that Dosey Doe outcross, we're seeing some like incredible stuff from it. It's kind of cool.

1:38:29Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat sounds like a really good like breeding, you know, staple right there where you could lend profile onto that and get the like really antique creamy gas from the headband, right, with not the overwhelming profile on the back end, you know, to add into it.

1:38:46Collin PalmerSo it's, yeah, it seems... Yeah, the original diesel is like insane to me. It just has this like... I don't know, it's, it's, it's a, it's a great breeding plan because it is much to be improved on, you know, but the undertones on the, on the, just the, the way it produces its flavor profile is just, you know, for me, they're, they, they check every box. So, but yeah, it's, how's the outdoor going for you, Brian?

1:39:14Collin PalmerHow's, it's a little wet this year. You know, I'm looking outside right now. I mean, beautiful colors, but it's, you know, we've had a rough last couple of weeks with, although we have had a really dry summer, so it's been really awesome.

1:39:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe had a great summer up here, actually. Even right now into today, we have some rain coming tomorrow. But really surprised, almost kind of more, you know, West Coast or NorCal-esque in the finish this year, where a lot of almost, you know, Indian summer feel later in, much drier in the late than it was early up front. And I definitely saw some of the challenges in the yard with, you know, the Septoria, but didn't see very much Botrytis this year.

1:39:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you so much for joining us today.

1:40:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsThick nugs and juicy, juicy resin and the turps are popping. So they seem to like whatever, you know, intensity of the sun we had this summer seemed turned way up, at least for the East Coast to share that, you know, like sunburn early out there, you know, everything was turned up for that for this summer for us. So I think we're going to see the some of those results already coming in up here for the market and whatnot into medical.

1:40:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsGood hash this year. And a lot of it in Maine. More than we've seen.

1:40:59Collin PalmerYeah, this year is like, it's been a great summer. I've been a little concerned since the hurricanes, but and today in New England it's a little great. New York, New England I think is a little great today and rainy. But yeah, it's been tough because it gets warm and then it gets cool Um, especially in the Hudson Valley, it's, it's a little challenging. So, but, uh, but yeah, Maine is, um, Maine has the Terps, you know, it's, it's good.

1:41:32Collin PalmerNice. Awesome. Is that a gas mask?

1:41:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis here is a strawberry smoothie band. Like one of my winter plants this year, I found a couple of Colin out here that were like, Just really resistant. I didn't crack beans until May 5th. So I tried a little later in just to see like what happens. But anyway, this was a winner that just threw big later on, big enough, like a three pounder, you know, for a late start.

1:42:01Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd what I paid attention to more this year, I was going to like share that in as far as what can lend, I think, into production for sure, but also home growing purposes with the breeding when I'm definitely like a lot into breeding my own plants for personal use for my own and then outward to other patient friends, you know, friends with this, yourself, those who love it.

1:42:25Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo with like the home breeding side, I'm trying to go a little deeper with the production time that it takes for these plants based on like leaf to calyx ratio. So a few more like boxes to check little further out than just wonderful turps and it makes some hash, you know, or even dumps hash. So that plant was a great example of like really short work time, whether you're trimming for fresh frozen or for flower.

1:42:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd again, either whether it's like production or personal. Seems to go to both, whether you're doing your own at home or you're trying to, you know, get things done with efficiency for production. So, yeah, saw some results there. I can't wait to share this plant with you. We're about to see how it washes.

1:43:16Collin PalmerThat sounds incredible. I know all the strawberry crosses you've shown me have been like kind of awesome, like not just awesome, but exceptionally unique. That's really cool.

1:43:27Ryan Dank AfYeah.

1:43:28Collin PalmerAll of those lines. I'm a huge fan of the Strawberry Field stuff. I don't know if anyone remembers the Strawberry Fields family stuff, but that's where Kyle's cut came from. It's where it all originated from on the East Coast, from my understanding. Maybe Sam has a different understanding of it.

1:43:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's where this cut comes from, Colin, that went in originally. The story is eight years ago with the Strawberry story for me here. Is out in Southern Humboldt. My last year, eight seasons ago, I actually had some plants come in from Jacob, my friend, have hash and brought in some kind of newer day plants or tarp feel for the hash game and tried out a selection of several phenos of that strawberry fields, which was strawberry, banana, tangy.

1:44:16Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I just went heavier on the strawberry forward. I kind of didn't leave behind, but looked, you know, a bit past and went primary focus on strawberry heavy. So bananas kind of pushed away a little and tangies pushed to the side. So I focused on a strawberry. And then when I brought back, I did some crosses with my angel food cake that, you know, G13 widow cushion cookie thing and their candy cam thrown in.

1:44:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsThanks for joining us.

1:44:58Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd it keeps its color really light white and tons of resin smell up front. It has the two week turps that I'm looking for, you know, so definitely saw those lean out into the more of the family with the two week turps. And yeah, I guess like something to be said, maybe for it wasn't the cleanest, you know, area to do that in the middle of the field out there is kind of tucked in the woods in Southern Humboldt.

1:45:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsDefinitely had some of the, you know, blight creeping in issues at times by the end. It wasn't the most optimal field for a field, but it lent really well into what seems to be like resistance factor into the breeding from out there, a different region coming to here, bred outside. So a little bit of info back out, you know, to promote that. Thank you for joining us.

1:46:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, resistance being into it, but what shines for vigor and health and then lent into another region, kind of working into our lines where if you're doing your own breeding can kind of, you know, meet together, marry meeting ground of different things. And that's definitely of interest where, you know, the cream rising to the top, people doing the really good work with focused breeding and then putting some of those pieces together.

1:46:27Collin PalmerYeah, no, that's great, man. And, you know, as you work towards that, you know, I've definitely seen the evolution of it. And it's been cool because each time it's getting better and better and better. And it's only going to get increased. That's really cool.

1:46:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, it's going well.

1:46:46BubblemanWell, it made me want to smoke all of those things that you were mentioning and talking about. People ask me all the time what my favorite flavor is. And lately, like really and truly, it is... Whatever was grown the best, whatever was allowed to express the best, that is truly my favorite. And I just, I have a deep appreciation for people that somehow have a savant relationship with the plant and can get it to do things that other people can't seem to do.

1:47:18BubblemanSo shout out, shout out to the far and the few, the true one percenters. Appreciate you guys.

1:47:32Collin PalmerATN, when you were touring the farms, what were the main varietals that you were seeing grown out there at scale?

1:47:42BubblemanSo many.

1:47:44Etienne FontanI mean, a lot are still doing experimentals out of, you know, Skittles, varietals there. Let me flip some of them. It's hard. I wish Mojave were on here. I was more of just kind of photographing and shooting pot porn than as much as paying attention to what was in the fields. But let's see. OG Kush, which is always good to see. Let's see. Yeah.

1:48:24Etienne FontanAirheads. You familiar with that one? H-E-I-R. There seem to be a lot of crosses around that. Lemon, Cherry, Sherbert, Granddaddy Purple. So, you know.

1:48:47Etienne FontanMoroccan Peaches, Grape Gas, Apple Scotty, Lemon, Cherry, Gelato.

1:49:01Etienne FontanA cereal milk, Durban. Just took a dab of cereal milk.

1:49:06BubblemanIt's quite lovely.

1:49:07Etienne FontanCrumpets, more cereal milk.

1:49:12Etienne FontanNimbus, lemon cherry gelato.

1:49:18Etienne FontanNimbus was really looking pretty phenomenal. Certs, a lot of certs, pink certs and Moroccan peaches blends. So, yeah, it's it runs the traditional as well as, you know, the new one. I didn't get, all I saw in upstate New York when I was there was what's at the government spot and that was everything that they had, which I did get their master list, which I have and it just runs the whole gambit of ferals, domestic to international to, you know, known varietals.

1:49:59Etienne FontanSo it's just rather fascinating. What's going up in upstate New York mostly? What are you seeing, Colin?

1:50:08Collin PalmerUm... You know, a big gamut of stuff, you know, it's, it's, we're so connected now, you know, it's like everyone wants to say they got this or that, but at the end of the day, they're like, it's scale. They're like, oh, I'm growing GMO or I'm going, you know, it's like. It's fun to see because as individual as we want to be there's like crazy herd mentality in terms of just commercialization you know so um you know people are not willing to take their own steps forward just like their own moms and then find that particular mom and you know as we've talked a lot about they're just they're limited to buy what's available the clothes that are available on the market as opposed to creating new genetics is that what you're stating or What I'm getting at is there's some people are going super left, meaning like they're working with just their own stuff.

1:51:00Collin PalmerAnd then there's others that are just working with clones that are available in the marketplace. And, you know, we can all argue, oh, that's problematic to be going with your own stuff because you're constantly searching. But At the same time, if you're really in tune with what you have, it probably could work out for you. So if you're constantly asking for that guidance, maybe not so much.

1:51:21Ryan Dank AfSo that's where it comes from. Here's the problem. Yeah. When you guys talk about plants, you use these very descriptive words and really ethereal terms of what is what. You don't talk about plants in the terms of what their actual chemical makeup is.

1:51:39Collin PalmerMm-hmm.

1:51:41Ryan Dank AfAnd, you know, I don't know if that's because you don't have enough access to analysis or it's just too expensive to run these, but if you guys were able to start

1:51:53Ryan Dank AfCharacterizing the plants you had and understanding what compounds are causing those flavors, you could properly breed the plants so that you're searching for them. Because saying stuff like, oh, people, they want to go, they have to go and grow their own plants and search for their own moms that have some insert flowery descriptive Cannabis is such a weird out-crosser that even when you self it with that kind of direction, you can't go into the population and find the plants that you're talking about.

1:52:24Ryan Dank AfRight, and it's partly because everybody that's breeding the species, like, this is just the reality. Like, I'm not cutting down anybody specifically, but the way that people are breeding, they're just crossing random stuff to random stuff. And that leads to, like, these massive polyhybrids that segregate when you start looking in the offspring. And you can't, people can't find the plants that you guys are talking about or describing, right?

1:52:52Ryan Dank AfRight. Because they're just so random in the, in the offspring pool. Right. So like the pro and so you should be able to grow a GMO on scale because GMO is just a scent profile and a cannabinoid profile. Right. But that stuff is inherited. You can inherit, you can breed the plants in such a way that those traits are inherited reliably. Okay, and then it just is a matter of taking that background plant and improving all the other characteristics like yield and resistances and like all the important plant architecture traits, right?

1:53:29Collin PalmerSo, well, I, you know, to speak just before we get too far, I just want to speak on one thing. GMO is a phenotype and a chemotype of a particular set of Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:53:58Collin PalmerYes, I agree with you because I agree with you. But I also think it's important to call out in the United States, we have clone houses that have these distilled down selections, as we're talking about, that are so-called proven. But to your point, if you don't know where it came from, you may not be actually growing GMO. You may be growing a chemotype like it, but at scale, it's not the one.

1:54:24Ryan Dank AfIt's not a chemotype like it, though.

1:54:26Collin PalmerYou know, you're not growing that.

1:54:28Ryan Dank AfWhen you're talking about phenotypes, like everybody kind of gets wrapped up in this term phenotypes. You can't, if you have like what's called a strain or really it's a biological type, right? I hate the word strain. You know, I'm going to go on about it all day, but It's because it's not a descriptive term. Like something that's a strain, like in biology, something that is a strain, when it reproduces, that biological type that identifies the thing comes back over and over and over again, right?

1:54:59Ryan Dank AfLike it's always present in the offspring. It is the offspring. That's the definition of a strain is something that when you reproduce it is the offspring or like the parent, okay? And we know with cannabis that it doesn't do that. Right. And the reason is it doesn't do that is because it's like, I mean, you might find that individual somewhere in the, in the, in the, the, the next generation.

1:55:22Ryan Dank AfBut when you're talking, if you're talking about phenotypes, it's not right because you can't have different phenotypes within a strain. It's, it's one biological type. Right.

1:55:33Collin PalmerYeah. But there are the expressions of those plants say, and then here's the other thing that's complex, right?

1:55:38Ryan Dank AfIt's not, we're not talking about, it's not the expression that changes, dude. Like even if it was, even if it was the expression, you wouldn't have different individuals within the line, right? Expression related to environment applies to the whole population, not individuals. Right, we're saying this. That's why the word strain is wrong, okay? No, it's not wrong.

1:55:58Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's different understandings, different approaches.

1:56:00Ryan Dank AfThere's a scientific- No, it's not. It's not different understandings. There are. The word strain doesn't apply to plants. I'm sorry. It just doesn't.

1:56:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's not sorry. It's different understandings.

1:56:12Ryan Dank AfWell, respectfully, I'm saying this with all respect, dude.

1:56:18Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, I understand.

1:56:20Ryan Dank AfDifferent understanding means you don't understand what the word means because that's what a strain is, right? Like, strain is not an appropriate word to use for plants because it's just not. Like, the people that... I'm not trying to be a dick. Like, I'm talking about the facts of what it is, okay?

1:56:40Collin PalmerSo I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you at all. I think Brian, what Brian's trying to say is that we're so far, the genie's so far out of the bottle that we still have so much to go in education. To your point, Ryan, like the vernacular that we're talking about right now, we don't even have the... All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

1:57:02Collin PalmerWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

1:57:28Ryan Dank AfRight? Like that's the entire point. Okay? And so the idea is that we need to get the plant to a place. One, I mean, like you said, people don't even understand what a chemical profile is. Like that's why you're seeing differences, what people call different phenotypes within a line. They're different chemical profiles. They smell different. Right? And they smell different and they taste different because they are different.

1:57:51Ryan Dank AfThey have different genes than the parents did. Right. They have some of the genes that the parents did, but they're not the same as the parents. Right. And so when you take like a clone, like they call it Chemdog, it doesn't matter. Cookies. It doesn't matter what name we're talking about. You take any plant, you cross it to something else. It's now different. So if you send those seeds out the door with the name of the parent, you're doing everybody in the industry a complete disservice, right?

1:58:16Ryan Dank AfBecause then what happens is some random newbie that doesn't know about the history that comes along, it sees, oh, these are Chemdog seeds, I'm going to go into this population and find Chemdog, and they find a plant that is completely different.

1:58:30Collin PalmerThat's my point of earlier with the farmers buying seeds that they're not in tune with. They're not understanding where the progeny came from.

1:58:37Ryan Dank AfIt's not necessarily that they're not in tune with them. The producers haven't done a good enough job of... Don't just let me finish the point, okay? The producers haven't done a good enough job of, one, reproducing a biological type within the seed line, or two, describing that plant in terms of its unique chemistry that makes it the thing that we know it is. Right, because, and I see it all over the world.

1:59:01Ryan Dank AfLike I was just in England and someone pulled out a plant and showed me, oh man, smell this, it's gassy. Dude, it's not anything even close to what we even use to describe gas, right? And so the point is, is these terms and these kind of flowery loose descriptors, they float around the world and they mutate and they mean different things to different people. And then the patients from all over the world come together and they start trying to use these terms To describe things that might like, like Johnny B was saying, like describe a type that might make them feel a certain way or, or provide the relief that they need.

1:59:36Ryan Dank AfRight. And so like, it's a total F up. Like we need to, that's why like as producers and the people that are finding these plants and calling them special, it's not good enough to just call it. Guava Grape Jam or whatever and give it some funky name. Sure, that's part of the marketing, right? But like you also have to describe the type that is the thing that you've made, right?

1:59:59Ryan Dank AfSo when people do grow up the seeds, they know what they're looking for to be along the right path, right? Or better yet, We need to get better at being able to breed these plants so that we're actually giving the next generation, the people that buy the seeds, the expectation of what we want them to have.

2:00:18Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's if you're selling seeds. That's if your intent is to sell seeds. For others, you know, that it can be just either hobby, production of your own for medical, where I'm not even adult use here in Maine. I'm medical. So I'm just making an example. And I like it. I get all that. If we could do our work from the field to pick plants that are really good because we like them and other people do too, then it could get some help from the other side to actually, I understand, like that's how I'm seeing this, is we could use some help from that end outward.

2:00:54Ryan Dank AfI mean, dude, I would love to give, I'm trying to give help to people. Like I would love for people to start understanding the stuff so that even those people that are doing it, Thank you for watching.

2:01:26Ryan Dank AfThat sure, you might find some good parents in there, but all it does is it muddies the entire water of the gene pool.

2:01:34SpeakerIt also makes it extremely hard to breed with multi-polyhybrids. Because if you're looking for F1 vigor, F1 fire, and you don't know what the background is so that you can get two different backgrounds, Yeah, you're not going to find F1 bigger.

2:01:58Ryan Dank AfYou know, Sam, it hit me. I was thinking about, you know, all these projects that we have ongoing that I've talked to you about. And it hit me the other day. It was one of the first things that you told me about skunk and your intention for making skunk. Like for people that don't know, Sam was a lifetime member of the America Seed Savers Association, right? And he realized early on as one of these pioneers of people crossing the plants that That exactly what I just said, you grow seeds, they don't come up looking like the parents, right?

2:02:29Ryan Dank AfAnd so he wanted to create a seed line that did, that when you crossed it together, the offspring looked like mom. And then if you cross the offspring together, they look like mom, right? And you did it like really, I mean, compared to what else is in the market, he did a totally spectacular thing. It might not be corn, but it's pretty true breeding. And... That concept has just been lost in cannabis.

2:02:57SpeakerWell, I think I've told you this. I did not force the plants to be true breeding. In other words, if you cross a red and a white flower, it can be pink. But if you cross those, two of those pink ones together, or one of them, because they're probably perfect flowers, they'll segregate out into the red and the white a lot of times, unless they're co-denominate. But with Skunk, what I did was I took Indica sativas, and I made a F1 generation between, like, Columbia and then Afghan.

2:03:50SpeakerBut I also did it with a bunch more hybrids that I had made and hybrids of other friends of mine, the F1 hybrids. So I grew those. Then I made F2 seeds from them and I grew those and they all segregated to fuck, to be honest. Except for skunk. I mean, it barely segregated it at all. So, uh, instead of doing 10 years of hard work, I, you know, use skunk.

2:04:29Collin PalmerYeah. So was that the heterozygousy of that particular population and allowed that to happen, you think?

2:04:35SpeakerIt wasn't heterozygousy. I don't know what to say because I had tested skunk at a, uh, What's it called, Ryan, where they test for copies of chromosomes and stuff?

2:04:52Ryan Dank AfOh, flow cytometry, yeah.

2:04:54SpeakerYeah, yeah, flow cytometry. And it turned out that skunk number one was more homogenous than any of the industrial hemp, northern industrial hemp varieties here in Europe.

2:05:14Ryan Dank AfFrom what generation did they test it? What's that? Which generation did they test? Like, which line did they test?

2:05:21SpeakerWell, they were testing the seeds that I was selling, which was coming from two clones that I had selected here in Europe. But I had stealthed them for about 10 years between sweetening it up and selecting for branchiness and resin and blah, blah, blah, flower-to-leaf ratio.

2:05:44Ryan Dank AfAnd for clarity, you mean selfing on a population level, right?

2:05:47SpeakerYeah, selfing on a population level, correct. And then when I finally got clones that I liked from a 20,000 seed trial grow up, I picked out 10 boys and 10 girls, and then the next year grew those and found out which ones of those two had the best specific combining ability for the traits I was looking for.

2:06:11Ryan Dank AfYeah, and everything you're saying right now, I mean, Part of the problem is that this, that work was pre-1998 Dutch law, right? So there was- Correct, yes.

2:06:24SpeakerNot only that, but the, yeah, people just don't want to work on the scale that I was working on. I was taking the best of the best of the best.

2:06:40Collin PalmerYeah, it's expensive, man. That's where my problem is. Like to get back to your question, Shamira is like, Ryan, I, I send everything in. I get samples of everything and then I compare it. I look at the genome. I, Kevin works literally closely with me and we have deep conversations about what could possibly be a good pairing for things. But I still believe after all the years that I've spent doing this, that it's still Very much still sort of a shot in the dark in a lot of respects.

2:07:09Collin PalmerI mean, you can get close, but man, does it beat on new rabbit holes, right?

2:07:14Ryan Dank AfLike new thing. Trust me, listen, it's not, it's not, well, it's the methodology that's the shot in the dark. That's the problem.

2:07:22Collin PalmerYeah, but process is process, right? So if you have a process, Ryan, you know that that's your musician like I am. Process is, due process matters, right? And you have to have controls, right? And to have controls in an industry like ours is very difficult without a huge war test of money. So you can only do so.

2:07:43Ryan Dank AfAnd I get it. And it's not a criticism system of the individual. That's what I'm saying. It's a criticism of the method, right? It's a flaw because it's so expensive to do this work. Right.

2:07:55Collin PalmerEven the biggest breeders, right? Like we can both agree. They're not doing the real work that we, you and I know that needs to be done. And it's part of, again, like I agree with everything you're saying. And it's part of why I believe that we need to continue getting people the legitimate You know, progeny, like, so they know if they're working with Chemdog, it is Chemdog, right?

2:08:17SpeakerThey deserve that because... Yeah, well, I mean... What is Chemdog? Is it a polymultihybrid?

2:08:24Collin PalmerIt has to be, Sam, because it's a bag seed, right?

2:08:27SpeakerSo... That's what I'm presuming.

2:08:29Collin PalmerRight, so...

2:08:31Ryan Dank AfThey were in... Yeah, I would say they were in a chemical family. They had certain chemicals that... I only saw the three, right? I saw the Chem 91, the 4, and whatever the other one was.

2:08:42Collin PalmerThere's two other ones. Anyway, but it's, yeah.

2:08:49Ryan Dank AfThey are within a biological or a chemical family, but they're missing certain traits. So to me, that says that there's, that the genome is segregating, right, at some degree.

2:09:01Collin PalmerWell, it's like the sour diesels that I'm trying from people. It reminds me of when I was younger, when I would grow sour out and have a bunch of seeds and I'd pop them all. Those same profiles that people are giving me flower of remind me of those seeds that I would pop as bag seeds that just didn't quite check the box. They kind of looked like it, but it was a little wonky, you know, and didn't quite get there.

2:09:25Ryan Dank AfListen, the reason is that I harp on this stuff because I want it to be that way. And look, it's a huge issue for production. Essentially, if we're doing production based on clones, that means the world's going to have HLVD, right?

2:09:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsI don't think that Chemdog has, maybe I could be wrong, but a lot to do with chemical anything. It's actually just like a cultural tag phrase from Chemdog, perhaps himself. Colin, you would know the story more. So it doesn't have much to do with Greg. It doesn't have to do with the chemical compound. Dog is old dog weed from the lot days, the old DOW2 dog weed.

2:10:04Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd then Chemdog himself was on the lot. And I don't know where it goes from there, but that's his tag. That's Greg's tag.

2:10:14Ryan Dank AfI try not to care about the names of the plants.

2:10:17Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, but people do.

2:10:19Ryan Dank AfI don't know. Everyone wants a story, but you can't breed a story. Right.

2:10:23Collin PalmerYou know, it's really important to our background because, you know, the dead was a huge proponent of carrying a lot of there. It was like the Silk Road for a lot of us where we got exposed in the United States to, you know, like I know for Canadians, it wasn't, you know, it's very foreign and maybe Europeans.

2:10:42Ryan Dank AfCanada's got their own stories, too. And I also don't care about those stories. Right. I mean, it's interesting to know the people, but like I'm trying to improve the plant here. Like I want to I want to leave Better plants for future generations to work with.

2:10:56Bryan Best Friend FarmsI think we all do. We all do.

2:11:01Ryan Dank AfSo I try to separate the ego because there's all this in the cannabis industry and the fame and whatever those ego. I hate that stuff. Like I want to talk about science and the plants and making the plants better. Right. And for some reason at the breeder level, like those two things, they just kind of like they can't. They can't get out of each other's way, right?

2:11:26Ryan Dank AfSo for example, like, you know, if you're a seed company or you're sharing medicine, great, share medicine, like whatever, that's not on scale. But when you become a seed company and you're actually like putting out a bunch of lines, Sam's known for one line, right? Like, yeah, sure. He brought a couple others and ushered some other ones, but he worked on one line for 10 years, you know?

2:11:48Ryan Dank AfNobody does that nowadays, right? And it's like, if people would focus on like, hey, I'm going to spend five years trying to lock down this set of traits within a seed line, that's an incredible genetic legacy for like tons of people to work with, right? Because now we have something that's like stable in one chemical sense. And it's not just that hard. It just takes like a little bit.

2:12:11SpeakerBrian, the trouble is you haven't seen my latest variety. It's skunk, melon, chocolate, strawberry, banana.

2:12:25Ryan Dank AfWell, I was looking at your breeding facility early this year, so I know exactly what your latest project was.

2:12:32BubblemanIt is an interesting discussion that you bring up, Brian, because it's kind of like where... You know, where it's come from and the way a lot of people have been trained to do this work have not been, you know, through the channels that you yourself have gone through. And so there is a different level. I guess we look to you and guys like you for this knowledge and this information because it isn't common sense.

2:12:57BubblemanIt isn't just the like something that everyone knows.

2:13:01Ryan Dank AfIt's anti-common. It's anti-common.

2:13:04BubblemanYeah, of course.

2:13:05Ryan Dank AfOf course.

2:13:06Collin PalmerBut let's make it common. Brian, it's what spawned me, dude, was like, I think, cause I'm so into technicality of music and inversions and how we can, you know, extend things and just blow our own minds. Right. And I, and much like breeding, it's very much, I live, I live for that. Exactly what you just said. Right. And I hate the sensationalism that's become of all the things that even some of the stuff I've done, like, I hate it.

2:13:31Collin PalmerI'll just say it all. I hate the sensationalism because it's, Really what I want to, I think we all want to be known for is the technicality and all the technical things that it took to get to that inflection point. And that's the work that's really uncool and just hard and lonely and honestly self-fulfilling in its own right. But it's necessary because to your point, we don't really have the right due process for Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:14:24Collin PalmerAnd do it right and have the right conversation. So we can really respect your point of view.

2:14:30Ryan Dank AfIf we take the hard route, we actually end up satisfying the 17 year old. I think it's better, right? Yeah. You know, the person that we were when we first encountered it. It's like you kind of want to believe that the world is the way that you think it is, right? But it's like when you actually get down into the science of the way the plant's breeding in the seed market, dude, it's, it's, I used to have it in my email signature.

2:14:54Ryan Dank AfIt was the biggest threat to the global, the cannabis gene pool is the global cannabis seed market, right? It's like the seed market itself is the worst thing for the plant. And, you know, you guys aren't quite there yet. But in Canada, now we have federal legalization. And so I start to think about these things on a different level. Like, and I see the problems with industry.

2:15:17Ryan Dank AfLike, look, growing clones for production versus growing seeds, growing seeds are way better. Right? If you had, imagine you had Chemdog in a seed. Or whatever phenotype of a plant that you think is the ideal type, it's possible to breed seeds to be that way, right? 100% reproduced.

2:15:38Collin PalmerI mean, to your point, I've seen it, I've lived it. I mean, I've populated, you know, 10, 18 to 2200 square foot rooms with just seed. And I saw incredible things happen, right? And I agree with you. And that's kind of what spawned my scale. Like you're thinking, we need to think about this in a more broader sense. Cause I look, my clones didn't produce the same way those seeds did at all.

2:16:04Collin PalmerI'll tell you right now. I wasn't even close. I mean, they're great, but not like that.

2:16:09Ryan Dank AfYou get chemical, you get chemical uniformity. You don't get the performance of growing a plant from seed. Yeah. And, um, you know, On the economics of it, I mean, you run big facilities. Think of how much of a percentage of your facility is your mudroom and your, sorry, your mother room and your veg space that feeds the clone production. And then you got like potential for bugs in there, labor, viruses, viroids.

2:16:37Etienne FontanLike it's a total fricking nightmare, right?

2:16:41Ryan Dank AfAnd if you could buy seed and get rid of that whole component of your,

2:16:46SpeakerYeah, but that's the problem, right? If you could buy seed.

2:16:50Ryan Dank AfWell, you can't yet. Yeah, I like to think of it as when you can buy seed, right? Because it's coming one day.

2:16:57SpeakerI think that's reasonable.

2:16:59Ryan Dank AfYeah, it's just, again, the reason that we're not getting there is because we're not changing our habits, right? We're still just like closet breeders becoming rock stars on the internet, right? And everybody dealing with it. And we find some neat plants. Like it's, I'm not saying that it doesn't, like, you know, Brian, to your credit, I'm sure you guys are finding awesome plants. I'm not saying that you're not finding really interesting.

2:17:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsI could use your help. Actually, like really good. Where as far as if we can isolate those sequences that actually show what I'm looking for instead of You know, not wasting, enjoying, but having years, taking literally years, like, you know, to isolate the generations that come from to try to mark because I'm trying to mark for like resistance from the mother. And I'm seeing these micro signs out in the progeny, you know, where I go, oh, that's like mom and it's going to be healthy and do the have the right hash.

2:17:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsBut if I can, you know, and I'll talk to Colin more, but if I can get actually more scientific edge on it or help from some, you know, friends that I could actually not waste my time, actually waste my time on offshot phenotypes, you know, that wouldn't, aren't what I'm looking for. I could really shave the time, you know, efficiency and the time of years it takes to get there with help.

2:18:18SpeakerEverything's about to change because when you... Breed for resistance. Let me tell you, breeding for resistance in cannabis takes huge volumes of plants. I don't, I mean, with molecular biology, you can certainly do it with smaller numbers. But without it, you know, you're looking for the one in the thousand.

2:18:44Ryan Dank AfRight. And it's a cost. It's a cost thing. Again, it comes back to a cost thing. And listen, I got nothing wrong. Kevin McKernan is a brilliant individual in many regards. Specifically genomics and understanding the genetics of sequencing and all that kind of stuff. We've also done a really cool- He's a private service though right now. He's a for-profit service.

2:19:08Ryan Dank AfThis endeavor is one where you can't be paying profit for profit providers because it's just too expensive, right? Like it's all, it becomes about sample cost, right? What is your cost per plant? Just forget the growing cost economics of it. There's a science cost per plant. You've got your genomics testing and then you've got your chemical analysis for ideally for every plant. And they've got the genomics down To the cost now through with academic institutions where it's like, you know, call it five bucks a plant, maybe 10 bucks a plant.

2:19:46Ryan Dank AfLet's say seven.

2:19:47SpeakerIt's the same price as a GC.

2:19:50Ryan Dank AfI think it's about 30 US for a full cannabinoid and terpenoid.

2:19:57SpeakerWe were doing it in-house, so we had minimal costs.

2:20:01Ryan Dank AfThat is in-house modern in-house cost is about 30 bucks.

2:20:05SpeakerYeah, but I paid my employees pretty cheaply.

2:20:09Ryan Dank AfAnd, and inflation, like, you know, truthfully, when you were doing it, three bucks is probably worth 30 bucks today. So, um, or getting towards it at least. Um, but yeah, like there's a, there's the, the per sample cost. And if you're doing, you know, again, it becomes times a hundred times a thousand because how many plants are you growing to, to truly understand the traits. But, um, it's an investment, but again, the rewards that you reap are so worth it.

2:20:39Ryan Dank AfBut growing costs, like if you can do these genomic costs when the seeds are like yay big, you know, they're tiny little seedlings. You take your job example, four weeks later, you've got the ability to kill 90% of the plants, right? You don't have to run them through your production.

2:20:54SpeakerI love to kill.

2:20:56Ryan Dank AfYou do. I know you're like the, anyway, I won't make that joke, but yeah, you, you have definitely killed more cannabis plants. It's funny. You changed my mind on that. Cause I remember thinking to myself at one point in time, I don't like killing plants. And you said, oh, yeah, I love to kill plants. Oh, yeah. OK. It's only saving the really, really best ones. And you got to kind of.

2:21:18BubblemanDude, it's exactly what he does with the hash. I'll never forget the picture of after he cleaned out the sift and I went into his bathroom and threw like a kilo of it into his toilet, the chuff that was like small heads and, you know, non non heads basically. And he just, we just, he's like, this is what I do. Right in the toilet, flush down the toilet.

2:21:39BubblemanI took a picture of that and it enraged the internet. Like the internet got so fucking mad at that picture.

2:21:46SpeakerI was just making water hash.

2:21:51BubblemanYeah, you're making water hash all right. He's taking like the 1% of heads out of the sift and then just flushing everything else like a kilo at a time. Like people were just like, you could see their souls just like cracking and breaking in half as they were exposed to that picture.

2:22:10SpeakerI remember one time burning. It was like, I don't know, maybe 50 gallons or more of dry sift that had been made. And we were hoping to have THC isolated from it legally with working with a very, very large Eastern European pharmaceutical company. But the shit hit the fan and it turned out that the The law had been written about ecstasy really poorly. And they misdescribed the molecule in this Eastern European country.

2:22:56SpeakerAnd some Dutch kids went there They had to make, I don't know, three, four thousand kilos of ecstasy. And just before I was ready to deliver all my resin to this pharmaceutical company, this shit had happened. It hit the fans and, yeah, all of the ecstasy disappeared all over Europe. I don't know where it went. I think some hippie dogs ate it or something. I might know where some of it went.

2:23:26BubblemanI'm just joking.

2:23:27Ryan Dank AfIt's funny, your life, I find like your life changes when you get to that point with your relationship with cannabis where you truly live in cannabinoid abundance, right? Like it just, it's everywhere. Not that it's everywhere, but it's like you have enough, you don't have to worry about it or think about it. And, you know, when you're, again, when you're throwing away 99% of your trichomes, like, There's a lot of people that don't live in cannabinoid abundance and that would enrage them.

2:23:52Ryan Dank AfThey have to go through a lot to get their need or they spend a lot of money or whatever, right?

2:23:57SpeakerWhen the world has... All right, next time what I'll do is I'll put it in plastic bags and send it to China.

2:24:04BubblemanListen, I will be honest. I know what Ryan is talking about because there was a time when I was still smoking joints back in the late 90s where I had the most outrageous... Roach collection. It was disgusting. It was just big jars full of roaches.

2:24:20SpeakerWe all did that, Mark.

2:24:22BubblemanI get it. But I took it to another level. I'm not from you. I definitely didn't take it from another level from you. But I took it from another level from a lot of people. And when people saw it, they would just be like, what the fuck, dude? That's outrageous. And one day I was like, I'm throwing this away. And I think it was Hillary that was like, oh, I know someone at the club that would love that.

2:24:40BubblemanThey smoke roaches. And I'm like, really? So I gave it to this dude. Dude, I got thank yous on Christmas and Thanksgiving and birthdays and celebrations from this guy for fucking years. He'd be like, today it was a haze roach. And just, you know, the roaches were huge. They were generous. They were good. I can't believe it personally. I feel bad that I should have just given the guy like a pound of weed and not been such a cheap Charlie, but he loved it.

2:25:08SpeakerWell, what I did was I collected about a pound of roaches and did them all. And, you know, tried to scrape a little of the black shit away before I undid them. And, uh, then re-rolled it. It was the nastiest fucking, I mean, it got me really stoned, but it was Lodo Stones, Couch Lock Stone, Narcato Stone, I guess it was CBN or something.

2:25:37Ryan Dank AfWow, Jesus, thinking about the tar ratio to cannabinoids, I mean, from a health perspective, it's like, you know, the way I look at it,

2:25:47Ryan Dank AfIt's kind of like taking your Thanksgiving scraps and giving them to the poor that don't have any food to eat. It's just not good. The sad part is that people don't have food to eat. They don't have proper food to eat.

2:26:00SpeakerIt's more like giving cigar butts Instead of throwing them on the street, you hand them to the bum.

2:26:07BubblemanDude, I'm telling you, I felt bad about it, but Hillary was like, oh, he'll really appreciate it. And I will say that I gave away pounds of cannabis to the BC Compassion Club, so I don't feel quite as bad.

2:26:18Ryan Dank AfIt's a factor of where the business is, and someone's giving me some grief in chat, but it's like, listen, the point that this comes from is you have to imagine a better future and work towards it, right? And we're just going to get more of the same all over and over and over again. Right? So, like, man, imagine if everybody had full melt. Right? Like, people didn't have to be smoking crappy Pubco mid-weed.

2:26:42Ryan Dank AfRight? Like, think of the damage that does to their lungs versus being able to have one small bong rip of the top, top quality. Right? And Sam, with, you know, with figuring out the full melt and taking the 1% and throwing away the rest, he lived in a world where he could do that. Right? It's just, I want that for everybody. I want that for cannabis. Dude, me too.

2:27:04SpeakerThat is exactly what I want for everybody. I feel like... My dream has always been you go into the health store with a scoop, big scoop, and you pull out a scoop of whatever heads it is you feel like that day. Haze or skunk or whatever. And, you know, you buy a pound of it and it costs you 10 bucks or whatever.

2:27:28Ryan Dank AfWell, and it should be so easy, right? I mean, you can do that with like, you know, I'm imagining in my head being in a health food store and getting a really nice organic brown sugar, right? Like out of a tub, like it should be that same cost and that same lack of, maybe regulation on the production, but lack of controls in the sales. Like you can imagine trying to do that in the Canadian market, Mark.

2:27:51Ryan Dank AfRight? Because you couldn't do it.

2:27:54BubblemanBecause they make rules that like handcuff you in the Canadian market. The people that made the rules never grew or processed a plant. So they had no real idea of the sort of subtle nuances that occur in particular SOPs. And then also it doesn't help that we're paying like a thousand plus dollars for a full panel from a lab.

2:28:17Ryan Dank AfYeah.

2:28:17BubblemanThat's really expensive, man.

2:28:20Ryan Dank AfIt's expensive. Those jars that you have in your fridge at the lab, I'd like to just see a label on that. We have labels on all our jars. No, I just mean like I could buy it off the shelf. Oh, yes. Right? Like I'd love to see Mark with a shelf space of just like 50 or 100 of those jars for sale. That's the way it should be sold.

2:28:42Ryan Dank AfRight? Yeah. And we could produce it. We got the technology now that we could almost produce the scale and the quality to do that.

2:28:52BubblemanYeah, a lot of people are terrified of scale. They don't believe you can scale quality or purity in regards to like water hash and dry sift.

2:29:03SpeakerI absolutely disagree.

2:29:05BubblemanYeah, because you're the fucking anomaly that instead of complaining that it can't be done, you went and did it. I also 1000% agree, particularly for water hash where people say, oh, well, yeah, you lose the soul when you get into the large machines. It's like, no, we're That's all we're doing.

2:29:24Ryan Dank AfYeah. And you evolved that craft. I mean, we went from the bubble. I mean, look, you took the water hash bag idea, melded it with that multiple screen concept, and changed the freaking world. And then put the machines on top of it. Like, of course we can do it on scale. The question is... Can we find a grower that can produce in, you know, or, you know, where do you find the grower that can produce on that scale and prep the material so that it's ready to go in the machine?

2:29:55Ryan Dank AfIt can be done.

2:29:57SpeakerYou can find growers and processors because you just have to find people who are 100% committed to quality over quantity.

2:30:08Ryan Dank AfWhich means a protocol, right? Which means following a protocol.

2:30:12SpeakerYes, and you just never, never, never break it. Right, exactly.

2:30:16BubblemanIt's the SOPs. You don't hire people that think they're smarter than the SOPs. That's right. That's the biggest mistake. That's a bad one.

2:30:25SpeakerAlso known as people who think there's a fast way to do what you just told them to do the wrong way.

2:30:31BubblemanWell, that's exactly how it leads into what I was saying, where you're just like, I know a better way. It's like, well, you should, I implore you to use your better way on your dollar in your lab when you're doing it for yourself. And while you're over here on our dollar in our lab, just do it the way the binder, the red binder says to do it.

2:30:53BubblemanDo it like that.

2:30:55Collin PalmerYeah. I vote that Chimera gets his own facility and starts breeding again. How about that?

2:31:02Ryan Dank AfYeah, I'm working on raising funds right now to do that. And I'm also doing some crazy biotechnological stuff to try to engineer some plants in a way that we can do these things, right? Where's home for you? We need homozygous. We need 100% uniform seed. Yeah, I agree. That matches a type, right? That would change the game.

2:31:30SpeakerAnd how do you think that's going to be accomplished? By double haploids or what?

2:31:39Ryan Dank AfYeah. Yeah, dihaps are a crucial step in it. It's what technology uses to produce the dihap. And that's what I'm working on. You can do it by growing pollen grains, but that's not efficient. We haven't figured out how to do that in an efficient way in cannabis. And I think even when we do, the biotech route will be better. And you can essentially engineer plants that you can turn them into haploids.

2:32:06Ryan Dank AfSorry, you can harvest haploid types from the parents that you can make into dihaps and then cross those two plants back together. And what's called, you call it, it's called recapitulating the hybrid. So essentially you end up with a seed, a population of seeds that are all like the seed, the parent that it came from.

2:32:26BubblemanHow about breaking down some of those terms for the people listening? You know, you don't have to go and spend hours doing it.

2:32:38Ryan Dank AfHumans are not only humans, all eukaryotes like cannabis and most plants and animals are called diploid, which means they have two sets of chromosomes. One set of chromosomes that you got from your mother, one set of chromosomes you got from your dad. And remember, Your dad's mom and dad's dad, mom's mom and mom's dad, they also contributed one set, right? So like sperm, pollen, human eggs, and the ovum in the cannabis plant are all in a genetic state that we called haploid, which just means those cells only have one set of chromosomes.

2:33:17SpeakerAll two sets of chromosomes in nature, especially with cannabis, is... Hedra Zygote. The genes it got from the mother are different from the genes it got from the father.

2:33:30Ryan Dank AfExactly. Yeah. And, you know, yeah. What happens in, well, there's two concepts. In plants, there's the concept of inbreeding plants, and then there's the concept of outcrossing plants. Cannabis is an outcrosser. Like, humans are outcrossers, right? Like, you can't have children with yourself. Right. Um, so you have to do it with your sister. Yeah. And that's when we, you know, we all know that the, the taboo about doing that, right.

2:34:03Ryan Dank AfThat's like I said, last week is if I'm talking about incest again, two weeks in a row, if you do that, you have these genetic problems, right? Because every, every family or everybody, genetic, every, every individual has like these really bad genetic conditions that are Usually masked by the corresponding chromosome on the other pair, right? So that's one of those examples where being a diploid like helps cover for these genetic weaknesses, right?

2:34:37Ryan Dank AfAnyway, I don't know where I was going with that from haploid.

2:34:40SpeakerYeah, well, the end effect of it is if you're haploid and all you've got is the defective gene of that particular trait or All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:35:18Ryan Dank AfBut yeah, when you go down to haploid, the idea is that if you can grow haploid, you can put massive selection pressure on them. But you can also do something. We spray a chemical on them, essentially on the cells as they're dividing. It's interesting because this is all kind of tied into like the triploidy discussion. In the last couple of years, there's a few groups like Humboldt Seed Company and Seth's group and...

2:35:41Ryan Dank AfOregon CBD. I don't know. You should have him on to talk about his triploids. But they essentially created triploid plants, which have three sets of chromosomes. And the idea is that those plants can't get pollinated or they can't make seed because in other in other species like banana, for example, the bananas that you eat are triploid. If you crack a banana open sideways, you can see those little dots.

2:36:05Ryan Dank AfThose are like the the seed kind of call it seed abortions, like the seeds don't really Thank you for watching.

2:36:39Ryan Dank AfOh, are these triploids?

2:36:40Etienne FontanThese are diploids that were in hand with his diploids.

2:36:46Ryan Dank AfOkay. We grew some of those. Diploids are normal plants, but the triploids... Yeah, the triploids he had in there as well.

2:36:55Collin PalmerThey were kind of spreaded throughout. Some of them still did. And so, I mean, it happens. It's part of our earlier conversation.

2:37:04SpeakerWhat you first do is you double a diploid, you make it a tetraploid, then you breed a tetraploid to a diploid, and you come up with a triploid.

2:37:13Ryan Dank AfYeah, exactly. And so this is kind of like, it's kind of operating on the same level as you're messing around with a number of chromosomes and the way that they They divide. So anyway, if you have a haploid and you spray a special chemical on it, you can stop the cells. When the cells are doubling, there's these little lines that appear along which the chromosomes move. They're called centromeres, or no, spindle fibers, sorry.

2:37:40Ryan Dank AfAnd you can disrupt the formation of those spindle fibers. And you end up with lines that come off of that, like they're mutants of the haploids, but we call them dihaps. And it just means that they have two sets of chromosomes that are absolutely identical, right? And that's the definition of a true breeding plant, right? So, because no matter what chromosome ends up packaged in the pollen or the ovum, It's contributing the same thing.

2:38:09Ryan Dank AfThere is only one chromosome type to pass on to the offspring. So if you get two plants like that and you cross them together, you've created a seed lot that is essentially like a clone, right? Like every single plant is genetically identical.

2:38:27Collin PalmerLike 100% genetically identical.

2:38:30SpeakerSo that's what we do.

2:38:31Collin PalmerWith all of the varietals that we spoke about earlier, like the chems, the sours, the, but someone to your point, it's got to do the work. And, you know, Oregon CBD, from what I understand, had to shut their program down because just, again, back to our earlier conversations, it's expensive.

2:38:47Ryan Dank AfYeah. I don't know where this, yeah, he's still selling seeds. Hopefully they can raise money and get it back together. They showed some interesting things, right? Like they actually, you know, and yeah, hell, it was probably hell expensive to run. It's nuts. Someone should buy that up, those guys up. Maybe they don't want to sell it into a big pub co or something like that, but that type of facility.

2:39:07SpeakerThey have some other things they need to do also besides financial problems. So it's, yeah, with any luck at all, they'll survive the nucleus and carry on in a few years. But yeah, nobody knows.

2:39:26Ryan Dank AfI mean, look, he, he, Took your playbook and ran it, right? Like they got a whole bunch of interesting cannabinoid lines. They got THCV and CBDV and CBD.

2:39:38SpeakerThey accomplished it the same way we did, correct?

2:39:42Collin PalmerYeah. And Chimera, I guess for both of you, like where do you think it goes from here in terms of like, in terms of, you know, because we touched on so many things. We were triangulating all over the place. One is like, You know, cataloging and prior art, knowing what we have to be able to move forward with it as the artwork, let's just call it that.

2:40:04Collin PalmerLike we know it's sour, we know it's scam, we know it's skunk one. And then we have the data, right? And then we have the actual items, which is like breeding with it and doing that selection process and then taking that data and then identifying markers, et cetera. You know, since they passed, et cetera, and then doing it again. Right. And getting through to that and then possibly selecting from there.

2:40:29Collin PalmerRight. So all of that with all that said, you know, for everyone viewing because it's we touched on such a huge, awesome conversation. What are your thoughts on like what the true path forward is for this? And Sam, you've lived this, dude, like you. Blew everyone's entire world. You went and got a license to really study the plant in ways that is majestic. Let's just call it that, right?

2:40:56Collin PalmerNo one could believe it. Let's just call it that. Well, everybody called them Everybody called him a cheat and a DEA agent and a CIA agent. But I'm going to call that majestic because that's their inability to understand the power in what he did, right? Let's just be real. That's their inability to level up. Yep, that's right. You know, they can talk all the smack, but they didn't level up.

2:41:18Collin PalmerSo whatever. That's noise.

2:41:20SpeakerThey hadn't met Ray Cargo yet.

2:41:23Collin PalmerSo tell us, man, what do you think it is? What's the path?

2:41:30SpeakerThat's it. There is no single path. Canvas is much too big and complex for there to be a single path. There's, you know, a million paths. And if we all take one of those paths and accomplish it, then we'll have a whole new set of questions when we've answered all the questions we already have.

2:41:55Ryan Dank AfRight. But I think there is, you know, we're talking about process. It is the path. It is, there is a path. Get licensed, raise the money, grow the plants, do the work. Right? Like there is no other way to do it.

2:42:11SpeakerTo be honest, what we really focused on was low hanging fruit questions. You know, that's really what we focused on. And we just grabbed all the easy ones and tried to answer those to start with.

2:42:30BubblemanAnd that was decades of work.

2:42:33SpeakerYeah, I ended up with more questions than I started with.

2:42:40Ryan Dank AfSomeone's asking in the chat if we know the bad genes. We're in the process of starting to figure those things out now. So we're kind of like... Do we know bad genes? He's asking, I don't know, I actually can't read it because I don't have my glasses on. Marcus, maybe, could you read that?

2:42:57BubblemanI'll try to find it in the chat. Let's see what. Well, if it's bad genes, I would say genes. Sharma or something organic. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Deceptibility to mildew is a bad gene. He said, from the cannabis plant's perspective, do we know if some of the bad genes play a part in the various chemical production? I don't understand that question.

2:43:21SpeakerYeah, I don't understand the question either.

2:43:23Ryan Dank AfThere is no bad gene. There's what we call mutants, but a mutation in some cases is good, like Sam was talking about. There's, in terms of powdery mildew, there's genes that are responsible for susceptibility, and there's genes that are responsible for resistance. And so you want your resistance genes to work, but you might want mutant versions of the susceptibility genes that don't work, right? Because if you take something that causes a susceptibility and you can destroy it, you remove that susceptibility.

2:43:57SpeakerI would say a lot of the wide leaf varieties from the Afghanistan and Hindu Kush type areas, they have susceptibility genes for powdery mildew.

2:44:12Ryan Dank AfYeah, and structural things that also lead to... Yeah, that doesn't help. Yeah. But in terms of chemical production, We know we're starting to, I mean, like, look, you know, we talk about files and esters and aldehydes and these, these new things, molecules that are discovered kind of on the monthly or at least identified, you know, the last couple of years we've figured out files and not we personally, but I mean, as a, as a community, we've, we've understood that there's these files and we've understood some of the new esters that we've been able to isolate using different methods.

2:44:49SpeakerAlso some of the alcohol.

2:44:51Ryan Dank AfYeah, and alcohols and terpene alcohols and all that stuff. And every time we find those molecules, the next question becomes, why is the plant producing that? Is it something to do with the environment? Or is it actually a genetic mechanism in the plant?

2:45:09SpeakerWith me, the question is for those compounds is, Do they modulate and do they potentiate THC?

2:45:19Ryan Dank AfWell, that's your question. That's your question. Yeah. So, I mean, sometimes it's just scent is enough, right? It still impacts the consumer experience. So anyway, and it's just something odd, right? It's something new and different. And so the next step is understanding the genetic mechanism behind that chemical, right? Because if there is a genetic mechanism, that means that we can breed for it.

2:45:43Ryan Dank Afand stabilize it and then you know it's all about any seed line is just like it's just a building block for a bigger project right um and once you have a true breeding seed line that that trade is fixed in then now you can move that trade into different lines and you know Colin was asking about like where we are in the process that's kind of where we are that that kind of is the process right like Figure out the chemical, figure out the genetic genetic mechanism, and then we can use that technology to move our breeding in our, in our system.

2:46:19Ryan Dank AfRight.

2:46:21SpeakerSo with a lot of the other fruits and veggies of the world.

2:46:28Ryan Dank AfYeah. Well, and look, I just, I, I came into the possession of a genetically modified tomato recently. And it has genes from Snapdragon in it. And they overexpress anthocyanin, right? So these tomatoes are purple, like they're really dark purple, like the entire flesh is like completely purple. And anthocyanins have, you know, or they potentially have health benefits, right, as antioxidants. So by eating more and more of these compounds, like, you know, I don't know if the science shows this yet, but the idea is that...

2:47:09SpeakerI've seen these tomatoes and they are really, really, really, the juice is black.

2:47:18Ryan Dank AfOh yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I split, I had some open on a towel I was taking pictures of and the towel was all stained, a really nice magenta color. And the tomatoes are, they're delicious. Like they're really nice little tomato. So, you know, we're, we're starting to, it's funny that like, you know, we, these things that we've learned in cannabis are moving over to the, the other world.

2:47:42Ryan Dank AfI mentioned last week, like the gummies, it kind of blows me away that you can go into the pharmacy now and they have vitamin gummies in the, in the vitamin aisle, right? Like there's gummies as it has become a legitimate delivery system. That's thanks to the cannabis community. Which is kind of funny.

2:48:01BubblemanIt's been like the number one cannabis search thing for like multiple years on the internet.

2:48:08Ryan Dank AfAmazing, yeah. I just posted, I came across a tweet today and I reposted it. And it's an older gent, older than me, let's say, probably in his 60s. And he's having a gummy for it. It looks like his first time. And they've got video of this guy, like, you know. Just thoroughly enjoying himself, you know, having his first big budgie fest, right? It's a good thing if you could give someone the right dose of cannabis.

2:48:37Ryan Dank AfI, you know, my mom was not really a consumer when she was alive, but I'd come home at Thanksgiving and if she was in the right mood, you know, I could get her to have a little puff. And it was just a small puff. I'd really regulate how much she took. But it, you know, it made her a happier, like just kind of kinder person at times.

2:48:58Ryan Dank AfRight. And there's, there's a lot of people, not that she wasn't unkind, but it just, she, she used to kind of have this underlying level of stress and making sure to take care of everybody. And it was just nice to give her a puff and let, have that all go away, you know, have her just enjoy herself. And I just think there's a lot of people in the world that could benefit from cannabis if they're given the right amount.

2:49:19Ryan Dank AfRight.

2:49:21BubblemanYeah, it's a super important part of the conversation that you could go as deep into in regards to how you turn someone on to these cannabis products, because you can't just take someone that's never had cannabis before and give them like some rippling hot dab off of some, you know, fucking torch heated quartz banger or something.

2:49:44Ryan Dank AfIt's like, you know, even when you were hitting people with bubble the right way, Right? And it was a small hit. Like, remember at the cannabis cup, you were having to put pillows on the floor in the corner, right? People would hit the floor.

2:50:00BubblemanSo many people. I told the story the other day of when I knocked old Ed out at the cannabis cup. Dude, which I felt so bad. He was old, bro. Like, really old. 90s old. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. Yeah, it was like at the end of his life. Like he didn't, I mean, he lived for some more years.

2:50:20SpeakerYou should have been kinder, Marcus, and given him a suppository.

2:50:26BubblemanI will say I've never seen someone come out from being unconscious with a bigger smile than old Ed had on his face. And that was on the top floor of the PAX Party House. You can't make that shit up, man, when he came out. Because I felt... Terrible. It was not a good feeling. And I always felt terrible when people passed out from bubble. I don't see it these days.

2:50:49BubblemanI'm sure it's still happening out there, but I don't see it. I haven't seen it in years. But in the first five years, a lot of people would smoke full melt bubble for the first time and they would just like pass out. They'd pull a whitey and then fall down. They blow Whitey. It's true. Hey, Sam.

2:51:09Etienne FontanSam, I have a question from a Dylan Wood. He is asking if your nickname Jingles was based on you wearing bells or that you constantly wrote rhymes or melodic jingles.

2:51:28SpeakerI had a jester's cap that somebody gave me and I wore it for years.

2:51:36Collin PalmerAwesome.

2:51:37BubblemanDid it have bells or was it just? Absolutely. It had bells. Fucking right, dude. That's a pretty good question.

2:51:45SpeakerAlso, one time I was at Wallach's Music City and I ran into Donovan and he gave me a little necklace with a bell on it. So I had my three bells on my hat and I had my bell around my neck and yeah.

2:52:07Ryan Dank AfYou have to understand I've seen some pictures of Sam and his wife during those years and man you dudes were some pretty far out like not only hippied out but like some really really avant-garde style that you guys had. It was the 60s and 70s but man you guys were going for it. Yeah they really were.

2:52:32Etienne FontanYou need to put a little bell on the top of your Sam I Am the Cap now then.

2:52:36Ryan Dank AfThere you go.

2:52:38SpeakerI'll put three up there and I'll dig out the Donovan necklace. I still got it somewhere.

2:52:44Etienne FontanOutstanding. We look forward to it. Hey, what is that? What you dabbing on there, Best Friend? Good question.

2:52:52Ryan Dank AfGood question from the chat. Sorry to cut you off again. Much respect for the question.

2:52:58Bryan Best Friend Farms207 Headband. Just a little headband outcross and then back in that I made that's really, really good. And it's some 90.

2:53:11SpeakerDo you know why Kevin McKernan got connected with the seed company in Amsterdam, which was called DNA Seeds?

2:53:24Collin PalmerOh, I was just about to tell a story about those guys. Go for it. No.

2:53:27SpeakerWell, the reason was because he thought it was DNA seeds. He didn't understand it was Don and Aaron seeds.

2:53:37Collin PalmerThat's awesome. When you, Marcus, when you're mentioning, you know, someone passing out, we were at We're just like sitting there and all of a sudden this dude just like like timbers like boom like it falls into the couch thankfully and I'm like is that guy all right and the other his friend looks at me he's like not really but like you know and we helped him up and stuff but he was You know, it's one of those things where you don't consume as much.

2:54:12BubblemanListen, all bets are off at Legends. If you show up at a Legends, you just have to understand that you are under no obligation to try and keep up because that can be dangerous. There will be people there that you can't keep up with.

2:54:30SpeakerNo, wait a minute. My motto at those nights is always do much.

2:54:37BubblemanExactly. But you're also a motto. We haven't been able to create that at a Legends for some time. I've tried. Sam, it's not an easy thing, but I've tried to get a hubbly bubbly and have it present and have like, you know, like 10 or 15 grams of 99% heads of some beautifully expressed flower that we could just pour into the chillum of the hubbly bubbly while, you know, Maybe there was like a five gram base of Afghan hash that we used as a screen to pour the hash onto.

2:55:09BubblemanThose were frightening days.

2:55:12SpeakerEvery time somebody would take a hit, I would pour another couple grams in.

2:55:18BubblemanI can see it right now as clear as a day. You with your with your your fucking film container full of heads. Pouring it into the chillum. Oh my God, dude. Hash bean lighting it and it's shooting off like two and a half feet off the chillum. It's like, I actually didn't even pass out, but I was looking to try and pass out each time that I went up to that pipe.

2:55:47BubblemanI was giving it my best shot.

2:55:50SpeakerI got really close to my knees buckling a couple of times, but I made it.

2:55:56BubblemanYeah.

2:55:57Etienne FontanIt sounds like people will be having to ramp up like we used to ramp up for the cannabis cup in Amsterdam. You have to practice your smoking because you knew you were going to have so much smoking going on that you better be prepared. You better have your lungs and everything prepared so you don't pass out, right? And for all the viruses you'd be getting.

2:56:14SpeakerI've never smoked cannabis at the High Times Cannabis Cup.

2:56:17Etienne FontanAll the wood crossings you're going to catch.

2:56:20BubblemanOoh, dude. Yeah, I can't say that, Sam. I smoked flour the first four or five years that I started going to Amsterdam. And then around 2000, I wasn't smoking it anymore. So then I, after that, it was just hash only.

2:56:36Etienne FontanNo, my first year I did it. And then I got married there at the Cannabis Cup there to my ex-wife there on stage. And the next day after smoking and then eating that, what, that, My cake had a pound and a half of trichomes in it alone. A pound? Yeah, from a gray area. His mom made the cake. And when I asked him, he's like, don't have a slice more than that.

2:57:08Etienne FontanAnd I already had twice that much. And yeah, Jack Herrera, everybody, we were all just destroyed the next day. And then we went to Barney's Breakfast Bar to try to, it was like a three hour waiting for your breakfast to arrive. And my throat was just closing the entire time as I was sitting there. It was, I could just feel the sickness just overwhelming my body. And I just, everybody just kept passing joints.

2:57:38Etienne FontanIt was just like, I can't smoke. I can't, I think.

2:57:40BubblemanThe best is when you'd ask them for a large orange juice at Barney's and they'd bring you this.

2:57:47BubblemanYou'd be like, oh, an hour later. Bring me 10 of those. Bring me 10 of those. I'm going to need 10 of those. I just wanted a large orange juice.

2:57:57SpeakerDuring the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam, Rob and I used to make no-bake cookies, which was really just chocolate powder, ghee, and trichome heads. And the trichome heads were squeezed through a nylon bag, so all we were getting was the active ingredients. And we made them at varying potencies, usually about 500 milligrams to a little chocolate ball. But one time, just for the hell of it, we made 2,000 milligrams.

2:58:34Collin PalmerOn lot that we used to... That's insane. When I was younger, that was called a goo ball on lot. Yeah, it was.

2:58:42BubblemanThey were called goo balls.

2:58:43Etienne FontanI even called Sam's goo balls. Yeah, but those came with armpit hairs, right?

2:58:50BubblemanI'll tell you one thing. No one on lot ever made them with like pure dry sifted 99.9% heads. Yeah.

2:59:01BubblemanA couple of Wook hairs in there.

2:59:02Etienne FontanYeah. Oh, if that would have been legendary, I mean, if somebody had done something, they would have disappeared so fast that we would still be hearing the legend.

2:59:13SpeakerWell, a few times I took some of these to Adam's birthday party that he would have over in the park over by his THC facility. And I warned everybody. Over and over and over that these are completely very strong. If you have any doubts, don't eat half of one first and wait a couple. Well, I saw one guy eat about five or ten of them and he passed out later when I left that night.

2:59:48SpeakerFive or ten of them.

2:59:51Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou remember those little early 2000s in Amsterdam? They were Keef Cats. And like reefer's peanut butter cups.

2:59:59BubblemanYeah, that was Chris's company.

3:00:01Bryan Best Friend FarmsOkay, they went branded. So they all look professional.

3:00:04BubblemanWhat was that company? That was he was a cool dude, man. I think he was from Cali.

3:00:08Etienne FontanI want Tainted did those originally out of California. And then Tainted got busted by the feds. And Yeah, that I think then they kind of made their way overseas. But Tainted was the one who originally did those with all the knockoffs.

3:00:27SpeakerThen there was another company in the Bay Area called Sticky Fingers.

3:00:36BubblemanI'm always trying to decipher whether Sam just said something super profound and accurate or if he's like... No, it's not a joke.

3:00:43SpeakerIt was... This time it was truthful. I couldn't think of anything amusing.

3:00:49Etienne FontanYeah, yeah. Bliss Confection, somebody was saying as well.

3:00:52BubblemanBliss, Bliss. Yeah, that was, I think, I think Chris, it was, it was Chris Bliss for sure. It was Chris Bliss. Yeah. They had cool, cool things too.

3:01:03Collin PalmerDo you remember Butter Bros? They had good, good.

3:01:06Etienne FontanOh yeah, that was, he was the gentleman, he worked in my, my weigh room. Yeah. Again, it goes back to so many different, you know, uh doctors and lawyers others i mean we've had over 25 years we've had various many people who be who were diehards and they tried to find their first foot in the door and you know they usually did it via the dispensaries and yeah like brownie mary was around in those days too brownie mary there's no such thing as recreational cannabis I love her.

3:01:42Etienne FontanShe was absolutely she could make a Navy guy blush. She could curse like nobody's business. But her brownies save lives. And her and Dennis together were an absolute fucking hoot. And she is so missed because her energy is just She was raw and we need that. I mean, the same thing with Denison and they were legends because, you know, she took it on the chin, fought it through the courts and, you know, what had to be done to bring the realities that we have, we owe to her and him and all the others, you know.

3:02:18SpeakerThat's a long history of activists. Even, do you remember, what was his name? Sergeant Sunshine from the Haight-Ashbury?

3:02:32Etienne FontanI don't remember Sergeant Sunshine. I want to know Sergeant Sunshine.

3:02:38SpeakerHe took acid and would wear flowers around his badge.

3:02:44Etienne FontanOh, no. I had one of the few. It was only of four permits in San Francisco back in the day. And I, oddly enough, used my old basic training photo for the picture because you had to provide your own photo for the picture. City of San Francisco and allowed me to set up anywhere. So if a policeman showed up, I would just show this permit. And so we would set up on Haight and Ashbury.

3:03:09Etienne FontanAnd there were various people coming by wearing flowers, but I've never seen a police officer walking by with that kind of flowers on his badge. That would be very interesting and unique.

3:03:19SpeakerBut no, it's he he was kicked off the police force once they found out what was going on.

3:03:26Etienne FontanAh, what a surprise. Okay. Yeah.

3:03:30BubblemanOf course he was.

3:03:32Etienne FontanIt's a very colorful neighborhood still to this day. You know, it's always been a mecca for deadheads to go to hate Ashbury. But, you know, way back in the day, I used to score my weed outside the Ben and Jerry's, right? You know, so it's just where all the deadheads used to hang out when the Grateful Dead was in town or coming to town. There was always about 10 to 20 crusty, highly patchouli-scented individuals, you know, that would give you, it was, this was an eighth, that was a quarter, that was three quarters, and that was an ounce.

3:04:11Etienne FontanI'm not kidding you people, that's how it was done.

3:04:14SpeakerIt was called the four-fingered lid.

3:04:18Etienne FontanThere you go. And why is it called a lid? Because you could usually fit on a lid of an old tobacco top, right?

3:04:23SpeakerThe other thing is, you know who I used to cop my weed from back in those days in the late 60s? Quicksilver Messenger Service.

3:04:33Etienne FontanOh, geez.

3:04:34SpeakerYeah.

3:04:35Etienne FontanThey were a pot delivery service. And a band.

3:04:40SpeakerOh, that's right. I forgot they played music. Yes. Yeah, they did. They did music because a friend of mine. I'm joking.

3:04:48Etienne Fontana friend of mine actually when i originally started in can back in 93 he moved into a house that was the old last gasp house and basically all their old printing stuff was left all the old plates everything and so he just started trading that for original like rick griffin's art and stuff like that and He was originally, then he traded for original orange sunshine time capsule and a purple haze time capsule.

3:05:22Etienne FontanAnd that's how I was able to sample those LSDs was just because of the art that he was able to trade of the original printing plates. You know, it was quite an amazing find to move into a place.

3:05:39SpeakerDid you ever try the original sweet purple Osley?

3:05:44Etienne FontanNo.

3:05:46SpeakerHow was that? It worked. It's the first acid I ever took.

3:05:55BubblemanI mean, if Osley's name's on it, I suspected, oh, I don't think he ever made a batch that didn't work.

3:06:01SpeakerThe truth of it is, a few of his first batches had methamphetamine in with them.

3:06:09BubblemanThat's an interesting way to create the molecule.

3:06:13SpeakerWell, he was making the acid I was like, oh.

3:06:44Etienne FontanYou go bear. And that's when he offered me that belt buckle, which I didn't have the money for that. God damn it.

3:06:49BubblemanI wish I had bought that belt buckle, but the moon or this steal your face, steal your face.

3:06:57Etienne FontanOh, yeah, that's Yeah, it's still your face was right. An original stale your face from Owsley. Fuck.

3:07:03BubblemanMy buddy had one. He passed away, but he had an OG one from back in the day. They weren't cheap either, like thousands of dollars.

3:07:12Etienne FontanNo, no, he wanted big money on the spot for it, which is why I couldn't afford it. I was an activist too, but if I had money at the time, oh, I could not imagine what that would be worth right now because bear shit.

3:07:24SpeakerHow much would a hit of purple honestly be worth?

3:07:27Etienne FontanOh, yeah, right. That was priceless because it was a micro barrel and we actually took them and crushed them in between quarters and you can snort them and then the LSD would come on in about 15 minutes. It's beautiful.

3:07:43BubblemanOh, fuck. The old acid days. People fucking putting paper hits in their eye. I'll never forget that.

3:07:51SpeakerBefore there was orange sunshine. There was another color too. I forget what it was, blue or something. But they also, before that, they were using a, I think it was Benzedrine. They had a pill called Criss Cross. It was some sort of an amphetamine drug or similar to it. And the first press they had, Was that because those were around because they were being, everybody was taking these, they called them cartwheels back in the 60s.

3:08:31SpeakerAnd yeah, so the first, some of the first assets I saw was actually these white, what they looked like was a stimulant, but they weren't. They had been used for an LSD press.

3:08:50BubblemanCrazy. Jingles doing cartwheels.

3:08:56SpeakerNo, you couldn't do cartwheels of that acid. You could do one or two, maybe. Right.

3:09:13Etienne FontanWell, we became acid church for a minute there. Shall we get back to some dabs? What are you dabbing on, Marcus?

3:09:19BubblemanWell, I was dabbing on that cereal milk, but I think I might go back to this guava, this just rotten fruit profile that just smells really nice. It's got something else going on on it that I can't really explain, though. It's in the back end of the smell. It's got a sharp sort of almost like sharp cheddar.

3:09:51Bryan Best Friend FarmsGMO type thing. Savory. A little cheese funk to it. Charcuterie with your fruitery.

3:09:58BubblemanIt's my fall hash. Happy Thanksgiving to all my Canadian brethrens out there and sistren.

3:10:05Etienne FontanDon't you mean autumn?

3:10:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsDo you guys still have those bang bars in California, in the Bay Area? I have not seen Bang in a bit. It used to be like they were a high-end chocolate company, right? Yep, yep, yep.

3:10:25Etienne FontanHe got busted and he was fighting. And I think he ended up winning, but it cost him the company. You know what I'm saying? It's part of those things when we were all real recognizing real. And I remember him fighting. And last time I heard, yeah, I think they succumbed, unfortunately, because of it dragged on into years. And, you know, if y'all don't know, lawyers ain't cheap.

3:10:55Etienne FontanAnd you start paying lawyers over years, it becomes very expensive. And yeah, that brand. My fights with the government, they allowed me to stay open. Otherwise, I would have had to close. But unfortunately, I think there was one of the companies, right when they were really pushing the boundaries, they got their feet cut out.

3:11:17SpeakerI thought the big candy bar in California was Kiva.

3:11:23Ryan Dank AfThey were pretty big too, but Bang was huge. They were everywhere.

3:11:26Etienne FontanBang was more a chocolate connoisseur's kind of bar. They were really... I'm a chocolate whore myself. I love good chocolate. I'm more toward the milk than others. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:11:55Etienne FontanWe were always a solid product.

3:11:58Ryan Dank AfThat brand ended up in Canada. Somebody bought the brand up. I think it was in Diva, but one of the big public companies bought it up. So I'm sure that's why they got a big offer from that and were facing a bunch of bills and decided to sell the brand and take the money and run. Hopefully they got enough after the lawyers fees. That was really good chocolate.

3:12:19Ryan Dank AfI lived down in Cali for a while and I remember that brand. They were good.

3:12:23Etienne FontanYeah, 80 to 90% of the product makers did not make the leap from Props 215 to Prop 64 in 2018. They just... It was...

3:12:37Etienne FontanOver-regulated because we were dealing with three agencies. Now it's one. They've consolidated down. And then the costs and how it just dragged out so long. And we were barely able to bootstrap it as the oldest dispensary. You know what I'm saying? And others, it was just sad to watch. But others have filled those needs and niches because of the desire of the public, right?

3:13:03SpeakerA lot of the ones that dropped out, it's because They were doing it in their kitchen.

3:13:09Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, and even the people that stayed that it's often like they sold the brand, right? So it's like the brand that you knew is really just owned by a different entity now. And the people that are doing the work aren't really involved.

3:13:22Etienne FontanYeah, Butter Brothers even offered me their thing, but I couldn't afford it to handle because that would require a whole other set of realities because I had done a product food line a decade prior and I did it through a contractor. And so I knew what it was going to take for me to do it myself and do it correctly was a significant investment in a short time to ramp something up.

3:13:47Etienne FontanThat, you know, a lot of people realize, and again, because of its, you know, federal rescheduling, there's no way for us to get conventional loans. So you're reliant on, you know, vulture capitalism to, you know, overtax you. And on top of that, that's how people lose their brands or people buy their brands.

3:14:07SpeakerA lot of people sell out at the end, you know? I mean, look at Ben and Jerry's. They were a really nice ice cream, but now, doesn't Unilever own them?

3:14:20Collin PalmerYeah, I don't know. But I can tell you, Ben's doing a Cannabis Co. in Vermont, and he also has a hemp farm. He's doing some stuff. I mean, you know, I think he, that's, they built that thing into a monster. I mean, it's just so, I can't imagine.

3:14:39BubblemanYeah, Unilever's controlled that company since 2000. Really easy. Really? Wow. That's a long time. Yes, it's been 24 years since Unilever acquired Ben and Jerry's.

3:14:50Etienne FontanA lot of the things you love are owned by large corporations unless you hunt for small companies. I look like Unreal out of Oakland. They do... You know, chocolates and stuff like that. You know, Tony's over in Amsterdam and, you know, things like that for my chocolate, because there's so many unethical providers that have all been just swiped up by mega corporations that. You have to make ethical choices on everything that you buy, right?

3:15:18Etienne FontanAnd you do so, right? You vote with your dollars and paper, you know, your dollars, right? Marcus, you don't feed your kids crap. You fed them healthy food and that's not cheap to raise, you know, one child on much less. How many children have you raised now, Marcus, as well as a wife?

3:15:36BubblemanMy wife raised me, but I raised, I helped her raise three children.

3:15:42Etienne FontanRight. And you know how cheap that is to feed them healthy, good food, right?

3:15:47BubblemanOh, yeah, it's insane. If you want to feed them the good food, it's outrageously expensive, especially where we live. Especially when one of them is 6'5 and weighs 240 pounds and eats like a family of six on his own. That's also an interesting thing to have living in your house. A living linebacker. Just like a NFL player or something.

3:16:16Etienne FontanOh, no, no. I lived with a linebacker at West Virginia University and he would he would get subsized. He would fill the freezer one day and the next day it would be empty because he would just cook and eat all the time just to maintain that muscle mass. It was insanity peppers, honestly.

3:16:34BubblemanIt's a lot of maintenance for sure. But yeah. Yeah! Yeah, you know, even Haagen-Dazs is owned by, like, General Mills. Ugh.

3:16:48SpeakerWell, I can remember before there was good ice cream. When people thought good ice cream was... And you old. Right. Well, we made it ourselves. But, you know, the real secret is when they started making not only with Natural high butterfat content milk, but also too, they were doing it under vacuum.

3:17:17BubblemanWere you making that? Oh, the vacuum is the best when it gets all the bubbles out.

3:17:20SpeakerYeah, that changes the texture of the ice cream completely.

3:17:24Etienne FontanOf course, of course.

3:17:25BubblemanNo, it's an important one for sure.

3:17:27Johnny BAnd so were you making cartwheel ice cream back then?

3:17:34SpeakerNo, we were taking... A hand cranker and doing it almost as good as like or even better in some cases, Ben and Jerry's and Haagen-Dazs, except for we weren't doing it under vacuum. But we made flavors like mangosteen, not mango, mangosteen.

3:17:59BubblemanMangosteen, yeah. That's sweet.

3:18:05SpeakerThat's sweet.

3:18:08BubblemanAnd of course, cannabis flavors.

3:18:13BubblemanWell, of course, you've got to have the cannabis flavors in there. Just some 99.9% heads to the tune of just a pound and a half of those.

3:18:22SpeakerActually, what we would do is we would simmer it in water. Double boiler with really extra rich cream type ingredients. And then we would make ice cream out of it. So it didn't really have the heads in it.

3:18:44BubblemanI remember back in the 90s, we brought this guy from California out named Alan Brady, and he made some hemp ice cream for us in the hemp fields in Manitoba.

3:18:55SpeakerAnd I don't know if you guys remember that character, but I remember it was he making it with ice cream. He was using the hemp seeds to make hemp milk.

3:19:05BubblemanYeah, he was doing like hemp milk and hemp oil and adding it to ice cream or creating ice cream with it. Sorry, you know, cooling it and

3:19:13Etienne Fontanyeah in the 90s there was a guy in colorado named agua das he still does it and he was making hemp seed and uh milk and then making it into ice cream and he was make taking it to the cannabis rallies and giving people a chance to try hemp in a different way and it was uh agua das is his name um uh i think he's still around oh long-haired hippie guy and he Yeah, he would just show up with a whole bunch of cones and a couple of tubs of his hemp ice cream.

3:19:44Etienne FontanAnd it wasn't the most, you know, it's hemp in its natural form. It's not the most flavorful, but, you know, just with some sugar and everything else, it was a great teaching tool to give people an opportunity to go beyond the cloth or the piece of plastic that we had in the hemp museum. To show the nutrition, which as we know, it's still one of the most nutritious, you know, seeds out there, period, end of story.

3:20:12BubblemanJust mentioning the ice cream, Merlin just sent me this. He's watching right now. He's, I don't know if that's showing the right thing. Actually here, let me go back and show just the ice cream. So Merlin made this ice cream last night. Fennel seeds from his garden with charcoal for the black and orange peel for the orange one. Tiger ice cream, made it last night. Dude, I love having friends that are doing things like this on the regular.

3:20:41BubblemanIt's like, I got to get together with Merlin soon and film another Getting Cooked with Merlin episode. What were you going to say there, Brian?

3:20:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat looks terpy. That looks really terpy, like terpy ice cream right there with those components.

3:20:56BubblemanI didn't even want ice cream the whole time we were talking about ice cream until he sent me that picture, I'll be honest. Wow. That was what got me. Thank you for watching.

3:21:28BubblemanIt's too many things out there. Just find one thing that you're happy with and make sure you get the best version of it. Everything else can be mediocre. It's okay.

3:21:41Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat is ice cream. Yeah. Ice cream right there.

3:21:45Etienne FontanExactly.

3:21:47BubblemanI wish my camera would let me focus in on it, but it doesn't really want to today.

3:21:52Etienne FontanWe can see the hue, the hue show. There it is. There it is. A little glisten on there. That's beautiful.

3:21:57BubblemanLooks nice too. Yeah, it's nice. What a good texture.

3:22:04Etienne FontanIt's quite lovely.

3:22:07BubblemanOh, well, geez, I don't know. Have we talked ourselves out of any other conversation or is there anything else you guys want to cover? I'll go for another 40 minutes or I can... Kind of let you guys all go and do your own thing today, whatever you like.

3:22:23Johnny BI'm in another call, so I'm going to let you guys go and say have a fantastic day. I love you guys. Nice to see you, Johnny B. Thanks for coming out, brother.

3:22:33Etienne FontanYeah, I have a friend coming over, so I'm going to jump off here at the bottom of the hour because I haven't seen a friend of mine from Colorado. She's coming in, so my wife and I are going to finish cleaning the house.

3:22:46BubblemanBeautiful, beautiful. Well, we'll call it a day here then. I'll let you guys all go. And sorry for, like I said, I glitched and I meant to send this. I meant to send all the links out a week ago. I had created simultaneously. That was one mistake. My second mistake is I chose October 7th for the date of Hash Church when I went like to create the little thumbnail on my page.

3:23:11BubblemanSo Thanks for watching. See you next time.

3:23:33Bubblemancharcoal black orange peel orange tiger ice cream so look at that you know wasn't even no expectations but now i got a bowl of that so i'm gonna enjoy it and thinking of all of you guys uh thanks for coming in chimera and dropping some knowledge i'd like to do more of this where every Thank you, brother.

3:24:08BubblemanAnd thank you, Wade, for coming in. As always, always good to see you, man. You look good. You sound good. We're always sending you positive vibes your way. And Etienne Fontaine and Collin Palmer and Best Friend Farms and the Skunk Man, Sam, Johnny B, who's bounced, Josh and Kelly, who we're, well, half of. Of them were here earlier. Thank them for popping in. Thanks everyone. Thanks for all of you guys watching.

3:24:33BubblemanI'm going to make the link for next week early like Monday or Tuesday and I'll share it and I'll make sure I don't make the same mistakes. Thanks for watching everybody. We'll see you next time. Peace out.