Live from Spannabis: Barcelona Jar Check and Genetics

0:04SpeakerHere we go.

0:05BubblemanAll right, here we go. We got to do some recording. I'm going to figure out that.

0:21BubblemanCan I find record? It's weird. I can't do shit.

0:31BubblemanI'm going to have to record this. There's no doubt about that. And I will figure that out. So we're live on YouTube. Everyone, I think we're on YouTube right now. Welcome to Church Season 11, Episode 11. That's pretty incredible. We're in Salona, Spain. I am just going to be doing a little bit figuring how I can record this show on computer because it's not offering me the ability to record.

1:00BubblemanSo I'm going to have to do some, uh, the thing I love to do much when I'm in is, uh, I, it's hopefully get some, uh, people come in here. It is all people in Spain probably don't even know the actual time. Welcome everybody. Um, wow.

1:23SpeakerCan everybody, I'm going to want to make sure.

1:31BubblemanAnd sort of the bad connection, the not great camera. I'm on my laptop that's about eight years old at this point in time. So this is about as good as it gets for today. It's just not really that good. Maybe I can open the light a little bit more and we can get a little bit more light on ourselves, which might give a little bit better quality.

2:02BubblemanYou cannot minimize Zoom workplace when you are recording. Okay, well, that makes sense. So we won't do that. Let's hope we get some people in here today. I've got the, I have not been well organized, I will say. Not quite as well organized as I usually am anyway with Hash Church. It's a little bit chaotic. It's a little bit insane. And I'm on a super piece of shit.

2:33SpeakerWe're going to spend this incredible, really, really fun.

2:41SpeakerWe're at...

2:52BubblemanThis is old. These are from like 2024, so I'm going to have to wait for it to open up. But you know what? I don't really need for it to open up at all because what I really want to do is I want to shout out my sponsors, Puffco, because they're fucking awesome people and I've been having a great time with them here. Yeah, let's go full screen.

3:13BubblemanThat's exactly what I wanted to do. How did you know that? All right, here we go. So shout out to the good folks.

3:20SpeakerThis is nuts.

3:26BubblemanThese people are fucking awesome. I had an amazing time at JART with Jolly Roger. We puffed a 30 to 40 jar of material, beautiful rosins, full melts, dry sips, pure heads, microscopic throws. We did the whole nine yards. And we did it all through the Puffco, through the Puffco Pro, Peak Pro as Pivot, which have just been godsends. They're the only thing I've puffed out of here since I've been in Barcelona.

3:55BubblemanAnd they've just been a savior. I've got all sorts of wonderful jars we're going to go through today and talk about different seeds and companies and people that I've bumped into. But I really, really, really want to give a special shout out to Chelsea, to Jolly Roger at Puffco for just taking such good care of me. For being amazing sponsors for aligning themselves with our group here on Hash Church and really just offering to support us in any way shape that they can.

4:18BubblemanAnd if you haven't seen any of the Jolly Roger content, check out him on his Instagram at Jolly Rogers Puffco, as well as at Puffco. And you can check out their YouTube channel as well, which is at Jolly Roger ampersand on YouTube. And he should have the whole jar check that we did. So without further ado, welcome, Colin.

4:40Collin PalmerWhat's good, brother? You legend. Yeah, baby.

4:43BubblemanYou legending over there?

4:44Collin PalmerJust supporting the cause.

4:45BubblemanDude, I don't think I've ever seen. I don't think I've seen that one.

4:48Collin PalmerSo this is the third edition. It's the one that we ended up placing in. And I like this one. This one's cool. You know, I dig this. I like the beautiful. It's it's nice and clean. You know, like the other ones were, you know, I don't I used to wear a lot of tie dye. And then I went through like 20 years of not wearing any any tie dye.

5:09Collin PalmerAnd then it started coming back in some of these events on some of the shirts I started wearing it. It was nice to get the clean one because I do appreciate how clean this is.

5:21SpeakerSo clean.

5:23Collin PalmerIncredible. But it is nice to have the ability to buy that support, you know, the event support what you've been doing for so many years, putting that on. So it's always nice.

5:36BubblemanFuck yeah, dude. Well, we appreciate your support, brother, in a big way. Shout out to Mark, the curator, who just popped into the room. Hey, guys. How you doing, brother? Good.

5:44SpeakerI'm doing really good. It's funny. It's serendipitous because I happen to have the Legends topper on right now. Nice. I don't know if you can see it. Oh, whoa. Yeah.

5:55BubblemanThat's hilarious. The legends of Hash Talker.

5:58Collin PalmerHe's got it.

5:59BubblemanI'm just charging this bad boy.

6:01Collin PalmerI got one of those Focus Vs, and for whatever reason, my white one just splintered. It's completely splintered from ISO, and it won't even put the topper on anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:15BubblemanWell, I got to give it out to Puffco in that sense that the R&D this group does, they do the R&D on all the little things that we don't think about as customers until we get the product and then we learn about these pain points. They spend an enormous amount of money on R&D. Figuring it all out. And you know, it's funny because I had a lot of people be like, oh, but I usually kill them.

6:34BubblemanIt's like, right, with improper use. And they were telling me how people puff on these things so hard that the oil goes into the fucking 3D XL bowl and then it eventually seeps right into the electronic components and battery. And when they get these back, they'll cut them open with like a water jet and open it up and just be like, dude, they're full of hash oil.

6:55BubblemanAnd then you've got people that are just like, oh man, that fucking thing doesn't work anymore. It's like, right. Like, did you read the instructions on how to use it or did you just use it how you want it to use it? Because the other thing is the 3D XL bowl is one thing you can put in big, big dabs, but the smaller bowl, we used to put these dabs and we'd suck it.

7:13BubblemanWe'd, we'd create a vapor lock in there. It would like, like go right up into the holes, which is, you know, you take a couple of dabs that you suck right into your atomizer and, uh, You're pretty much going to have a problem somewhat sooner than later. So yeah, I have never traveled without a rig. This is my first trip ever traveling with just the Puffco. I got the Pivot and the Peak.

7:36BubblemanAnd you know, one of the things I like about this one is I can charge it from my phone. When this dies, I can just go USBC to USBC. I don't need a power bank. My phone acts as the battery in it and it charges it in about nine minutes, which I thought was pretty cool. Hey, we're in Barcelona. We're going to have a little of let's get in with, you know what I'm saying here?

8:00BubblemanLittle fresh, fresh made water. How do they make the water here in Spain? I don't know, but this is freshly made. This is freshly made water and I'm going to drink it out of a cognac glass. Oh, it's got a glass on glass tip, too. I forgot to take that off.

8:18Collin PalmerAt first, I thought you were pulling a magic trick on me, man.

8:20SpeakerThat was a magic trick.

8:24Collin PalmerThat's a magic trick. You know, it's funny. The last Legends that was held, I brought, I was packing up my stuff the night before I flew out. And I had my Scotty Depp, you know, my mothership. I had my Ryan Fit. I had all these things. I was like, what am I going to bring? And I just got in the 3D Asimizer in the mail. Like, literally, it just came that day.

8:46Collin PalmerLike, and I was like, looking and I was like, oh, I haven't opened this thing up. Let me just take a dab real quick. And the moment I took a dab with that thing, I just looked at it, looked at all the stuff, and I was like, I'm bringing this.

9:00Collin PalmerSeriously, because it was like... All in one little pack compact, you know, piece.

9:05SpeakerIt's a convenience. You can't match. It's so crazy how much easier it's gotten to smoke hash. It makes it like, I don't really even smoke combustible flour very often at all right now because it's just too easy to smoke hash and hash tastes so good and it's just so much better.

9:20Collin PalmerIt was just, you know, no shit on, like, I love glass.

9:24BubblemanIt's 73 micron. 73 micron.

9:30BubblemanWater. This is especially 73 micron water. This is the water that this is the only water I make my water hash with while I'm in Spain. Freshly made water. I've never seen such a funny. I looked at it the other day. I was like, this is our freshly made water because just a few seconds ago has gone through a high purity filtration process. What? Because just a few seconds ago it has been transported or stored Avoiding loss of quality on the way and the glass bottle reduces waste accumulation in nature.

10:05BubblemanThat's why it is such a fresh and healthy water and even healthier for the environment. Well, I'm not into plastic bottles, I'll tell you that much.

10:15SpeakerDefinitely not.

10:18BubblemanOh, my goodness. So everyone's doing good today, I hope.

10:22Collin PalmerYeah, it's killing, man. Just doing great. I had a good morning over here on the East Coast. Getting ready for another busy week in New York and, you know, just doing a thing and having a good weekend, you know, but, you know, Spain looked really good. It looks like everybody's having symbiotic genetics. Nice. It's the new packaging. Yeah.

10:45BubblemanYeah. Little yellow burst and some Spanish honey, basically his two washers. That was kind of the ones to grab from him. I saw my good friend, Javier from Medical Seeds, and I grabbed some of his banana Skittles, got three packs of three of those, and then grabbed a pack of his grape gas, which he calls grape fuel. And then we grabbed a bunch of DNA and we got a bunch of, oh geez, who else did we get?

11:12BubblemanWe got a bunch of Zura Farms, the boys from RKM and Zura Farms, the Spanish guys that I've been friends with for a long time. There's been wonderful people. I bumped into Pioneer Farms the other day. This guy has some really, really nice sour diesel. This is like OG, OG, like original sour diesel. Really fucking nice. And then if that wasn't funny enough, he gave me this.

11:38BubblemanAnd two minutes later, Don from DNA walked over. He's like, bro, I never give you jars. He's like, you want some old school fucking sour diesel? It was a totally different grow, a totally different guy. So I have these. In fact, this jar I put under Scott Deppie's nose when I bumped into him a couple days ago over at the Puffco booth. And he cracked it open and went, oh, wow.

12:01BubblemanOh, wow. It has the oh, wow factor. Both of these sour diesels are spectacular. I also bumped into the homie Minor Melts. This dude is really doing a great job out of California. This is the Cowboy Perfume. And man, was it just unique and different and really just sort of special. You know, we had like so many jars here. We had Jungle Boys, Full Melt Pizza. It's hella sorts of different things, but nothing helped quite like that miner's mouth.

12:34BubblemanThe second nicest thing that I have is the raindrops. And this is from my friend in Argentina. And what he did was he made some bubble hash and he whipped it like rosin. So it's full melt bubble hash. It has not been pressed into rosin. Spectacular flavor profile and just yummy, yummy goodness. What's going on, Etienne? Are you over at the spot?

13:00Etienne FontanI am over at La Calma Glacier. Can you hear me?

13:05BubblemanI can hear you really well, dude. This is where we were going to do Hash Church today. And I just, I was so worried about like, The noise or the smoke or the whatever, I wouldn't. So I figured apartment ATN can go to the beautiful venue that Edu offered to, I got to give Edu Blue Ice a shout out. I saw him earlier today at the grassroots tent and he said, you got to come to, please name the shop ATN, La Gardia.

13:31Etienne FontanLa Creme Gracia. Okay. Wonderful.

13:36BubblemanWell, and look at that.

13:40Etienne FontanYeah, Stefan and Stefan runs the shop. I'm here with one of the artists. Mossy Giant is his name. And he has done this entire place. And if I can switch my camera around for a second, it is completely... Yeah, take us for a little walk.

14:02BubblemanIt's fucking beautiful, dude. Go get in there. That is insane. Wow.

14:07Etienne FontanIt's a nice new art.

14:12Etienne FontanAnd so, yeah, this is the man right here who does all the art.

14:16BubblemanGreat job. Tell us what inspired you to do this art. How did you come about? What inspired you to do this art?

14:27BubblemanWe can't hear him. Sometimes only one of the AirPods has a microphone.

14:36BubblemanStill can't hear him. How about you, Etienne? Say something.

14:42BubblemanI think we lost it when he said something there. Everybody's muted. But I'm still here. Everybody's muted. Can you hear me now? I hear you perfect.

14:53SpeakerYes, perfect. Well, thanks for having me on, guys. Amazing. So I'm the artist. I'm Peter, also known as Mossy Giant. I'm an artist based out of the Netherlands. And over the past three years, I've been working really closely with La Crengracia, this club here in Barcelona. To put together this project called The Grand History of Cannabis, focusing on different cultures around the globe that have a special relationship with this plant.

15:22SpeakerAnd through my art, we visualize this history and make it very accessible for the consumer, the patient, the cannabis enthusiast, and hopefully also people outside of cannabis to start learning about this plant and this wonderful history and It's role as a plant ally to us. So, and me and HN talked about extensively last night, the reason that the art is a good vehicle for this, because it creates a low barrier for people to get stuck into something that might otherwise be hard to talk about, you know?

16:06BubblemanVery cool. I wish I could see the art up a little closer. Maybe later you will get the, maybe someone will go on a phone, come into Hashish and we could do some nice closeups of the art. We also have the curator, Mark Archer, who's in the house. He's an artist as well. But what he does is he works with Rosin and Hashish. And so, yeah, you guys are both doing the good work, getting it exposed out there and Just turning people on to a wonderful thing.

16:31BubblemanWe're just at the end of Spanibus. Today was the last day of Spanibus. I want to say hello to Craig from Alpenglow Farms, who also just popped in from California on what I'm guessing is a beautiful sunny morning. Am I right?

16:45SpeakerNo, no, no. We have a river hitting.

16:49BubblemanOh, well, that's why Whistler got so much snow. Are you guys getting dumped on?

16:53SpeakerYeah, you know, at about 2,000, 2,500 feet on up, the Sierra Nevadas have gotten like two, three feet. The Wasatch Mountains have gotten two or three feet. Like it's on.

17:06BubblemanYes. Yes, brother.

17:07SpeakerYeah. I would be more fired up if I didn't have double inguinal hernia surgery like a month ago.

17:17SpeakerI'm not even smoking. I'm on tinctures right now because coughing would be brutal. Are you kidding me?

17:26BubblemanDo it for Hash Church. Take a big rip and cough for us on Hash Church. I'm totally joking.

17:31SpeakerI'll be crying. I'll be crying for sure.

17:34BubblemanYou'll pass out unconscious. Oh, there he goes. I guess Craig passed out from the pain. Well, you know what? I'm glad you got tinctures and I'm sure your wife's taking really good care of you. And you guys are doing good things over there. So I always happy to hear what's going on in the Alpenglow world.

17:51SpeakerYeah, yeah, we've got a lot going on. It's a crazy environment here in California, as many of you know. And Humboldt County is coming down to the final wire with some old taxes that people owe. And we might lose some legacy cultivators over the next two, three weeks.

18:09BubblemanNo, they're doing that, eh?

18:11SpeakerYeah, yeah, it's just that it's been a challenging market for a lot. You know, the folks that try to stay like kind of in the old bulk market way of just being the farmer and not really pushing their own brand forward have had a really challenging time. So we're trying to hold the door open as long as we can and really use our voices to help support the ones that are challenged.

18:36SpeakerSo we'll see what happens on March 25th here and You know, April.

18:40BubblemanWell, she takes us on a journey. She takes us on a journey. And although, you know, Prohibition made us very, very protective of her and him, the plants. It's, you know, I saw a lot of it as sort of corporate cannabis came in and I saw a lot of people being like, oh, corporate cannabis, it's destroying all the small farms and this is that. And I was kind of like.

19:02BubblemanI was like, you probably forgot when, like in Vancouver, when Hillary Black started the BC Compassion Club, which was just the most amazing thing ever to have the Compassion Club to serve, you know, the most vulnerable people on the planet, basically terminally ill, mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted. That's a bad, that's a vulnerable group. And so it's whole plan was to just sell to those people and kind of make it happen to those people and what happened inevitably is the compassion club grew in popularity and ended up having 3 000 patients and it's selling all this a massive amount of cannabis and hash it was just doing this amazing service but what people don't talk about where because it was easier to i think bash on like the corporate entities like oh they're destroying cannabis the compassion club put so many mom and pop growers out of business in vancouver overnight because They couldn't sell their product anymore.

19:55BubblemanThey'd be lucky if they could sell it to the club. If you were able to sell it to the club, you could sell it. But the club basically took, you know, 3000 people. And if you think of your of the mom and pop growers, that's really what it crushed in Vancouver. There were so many mom and pop growers, mom and pop dealers, just like a quarter here and eight there.

20:12BubblemanI'm not talking about big dealers. I'm talking about real small dealers. And they all just got like, Wiped out when the club came into existence. And I think that as sad as it is, it's also a very natural component of life to have the beginning, the middle, and the end. And for some people, they are at the end of it right now. And it's a real bummer.

20:35BubblemanBut at the same time, I kind of, you know, I have a tear in my eye for them. But I also have a glimmer of hope in this eye over here. And so I kind of, it's a simultaneous sort of thing. It's tough. It's hard. I feel bad for these groups. They've been doing it for so long. But another thing too is that it's not the same anymore.

20:52BubblemanAnd doing it back in the day, you know, a lot of us are like, we did it for the plant and I took the risk of going to jail. And it's like, right, but you also made all that prohibition money, right? So there was a lot of prohibition money that was made. And the reason we made money and the reason it was so easy was because cannabis was illegal and it was easy to make money.

21:10BubblemanI mean, fuck, I knew people that just thought they were the cows meow. They thought they were the shit in the world of cannabis. And then they tried to do legal cannabis and they found out. You know, it's like, it's not hard to sell something illegal that's prohibited that you can go to jail for. You can make money selling stuff like that. Doing it legally is like a whole, I mean, we're good at hatch making, we're good at breeding, we're good at, you know, the business aspect, what ATN does, the growing aspect, what you do, all of these different things.

21:41BubblemanBut what we're not good at is business. The majority of us weren't businesses. We were just kind of like people that were like passionate and had this sort of energy. And so now you have this sort of, you know, to me, the real symbiotic relationships are between the people who are good at business that are connected with the people who are good at the growing and the cannabis aspect.

22:02BubblemanAnd they put those together in a real beautiful way where one doesn't require the other one to affect the integrity of its existence, you know, for the other side, which often happens on the Chaz side with the money. The money often wants the passion grower side to bend the knee, if you will. Bend the knee, Ned. We will take your head. It's like they're taking our heads, Craig.

22:24BubblemanThey're taking our heads.

22:26SpeakerYeah. But to that point, Marcus, it's been a challenge across the board. And it seems like Sun Grown is really catching some traction. And one thing that all of us little Sun Grown homestead farmers have is our land. We didn't have to go buy anything. Like we, we came into this having what we have. And the big corporate investment is, is kind of like pulling out. They're going, Ooh, we're not really seeing any returns where, you know, we just keep trucking along.

22:59SpeakerAnd, you know, as you know, we've gone through like the days of the helicopters and then two 15 and the green rush and all that. And we're still here. Right. And I feel really good about the future. I feel sad for the ones that haven't made it through to this point in time when we're maybe going to start seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

23:24BubblemanYeah, no, I feel you. I also feel bad for that. But it's just how it is, right? It's like that damn Mr. B game. At the end of it, there's like 10 people, $10 million. I'm going to put up a bowl of this DNA and John the other day. So anyone else want to like?

23:51SpeakerI'm actually today I'm smoking. I'm smoking some blue sushi and it was actually the dad man I posted this morning. I made like a dad man eating a gummy and like getting really fat. And now I'm smoking him.

24:13Collin PalmerI'm going to join you in some sour. I'm smoking not the sour diesel, but the original diesel. The original diesel comes before the sour. It's the cut that I think I think Fletcher's used it a bunch. It's the known as the for the shroomy 420 cut that I passed to shroomy on the forums.

24:34BubblemanOh, yeah, shroomy.

24:36Collin PalmerWhen I was still living back in the day, back in the old when I was a Pennsylvania and Vermont when I was spending time between those two places.

24:45BubblemanOh, he's got the dog. That is awesome. I wish I was there. It looks like it looks quiet. It looks like an amazing place to do hash church. Unfortunately, I just couldn't take the chance. I ran out of time, you know? I just, I had to get to the apartment and be like, fuck, I didn't even eat today. I just came, well, I'm going to puff some bowls.

25:04BubblemanThat'll make me feel better.

25:06Collin PalmerWhat time is it, Marcus, over there? I can't remember the time difference is six hours. What is it?

25:12BubblemanYeah, it's like, well, for you, it's about five or six. It's 524 right now.

25:18SpeakerOkay. I have some work my friends did, speaking of sour, and they are producing for the Banjo brand that is just barely launching here in California. But this was grown out in the Klamath Mountains here in far northeastern Humboldt above the Klamath River. So we got some local sour as well. Beautiful.

25:45BubblemanCali grown resin, baby. Yeah. Oh, it's funk. It's so good. Just delicious. So many great jars. So I did a jar check with Jolly Roger the other day, and I was so impressed with this event. I kept telling him, I'm stealing this from you, dude. I'm stealing this. This is an event that I should have been doing for the last 10 to 15 years. Ah, Le Chandrier.

26:09BubblemanLe Chambrier, I saw that jar the other day. Le Chambrier, it was very good. I called it. Come on, you know I know Le Chambrier. You know it?

26:16SpeakerThat's amazing. Yeah, I'm the bubble man in case you forgot that. Can you hear me? Listen, when I saw you up there, I was like, oh my God, I'm in the same conversation as the bubble man. My first videos that I saw of you were you visiting the operations of Matt Barron, the great gardener. YouTube videos, YouTube of many years ago, where you went out to his place, his facilities, and you guys were sifting for seeds.

26:47SpeakerThere you go. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. When did you get that?

26:54BubblemanWell, I like to keep my finger on the pulse, my friend.

26:57SpeakerI see you are. You have your finger on the pulse. Amazing.

27:00BubblemanSo listen, it ties into exactly what I was saying. So I was at Eagle Clash the other day, and I was with Jolly Roger. They set up a beautiful table. They set up a macro microscopic thing that was right next to us. They had a big TV with a macro camera where they could put the jars on and blow it up bigger and take nice pictures. We saw about four jars over the course of maybe four hours.

27:23BubblemanWe were in a private Little kind of church area of the of the space that Eagle Clash rents. Just myself and Jolly and we were just people were just bringing us jars. It was like a lineup of like 20 people and then they just would come in like oh it's an honor Jolly and Bubble Man and here's my jar and this is from Thailand and this is from you know Argentina and this is from Basque country and this is California and it was just this absolutely spectacular event where Everyone just seemed so kind and wonderful and it was this great exchange and some people were like oh please take a dab in which case we would fucking fire one up and take a dab and other people we wouldn't we wouldn't touch it we never asked we just said beautiful jar you know right back to you but give them a little breakdown on like whether it had contamination on it throw it under the microscope really get in there and see what it looks like talk about the flavor profiles the nicest jar that anyone put under my nose was third eye blind from um Third Eye Organics, Third Eye Blind, that's like a band.

28:21BubblemanThird Eye Organics from Los Angeles. And he had something I used to puff 20 years ago called the Sweet Skunk from Breeders Steve. And it was just a spectacular, this is a very rare narrow leaf drug cultivar that has, it's terpenylene, but it's also osamine. And when terpenylene and osamine are together in a sort of one-to-one range, what happens is, It sort of rounds out the taste of the sharpness and the accurate sort of business of the haze.

28:54BubblemanAnd so you don't get that. You get this more like it just rounds it out and makes it almost fruity, but not very hazy. It's an absolute beautiful flavor. This guy said he barely got any. Sells it for like 400 bucks a quarter, 200 bucks a gram for the live hash rosin. And he was kind enough to give me a dab. And man, I'm telling you, that dab was the best dab I've had.

29:18BubblemanAnd that day alone, I probably had 20 different variations of Z-Turp dabs. So there was a lot of Skittles and Z-Boofs and every variation of Skittles you could possibly imagine, like the banana Skittles.

29:36BubblemanGot those from Javier today. So lots of Z Terps. Had a really interesting conversation about the Z Terps with Jolly Roger, Sensory Science, talking a little bit about Nick Ziegler has turned me on to over the years. But we were talking about, and this was sort of Jolly's thought after we got into it. He said, what if Skittles... Because we were talking about how, you know, a sommelier in the wine world can perceive things in the wines that the majority of the normal people in the world cannot.

30:11BubblemanNot even the people that grew the grapes often, because a sommelier isn't just someone that practices and learns. They have an olfactory sensitivity that's through the roof. So it's not like something you can just practice to be like, oh, I'm going to be a sommelier. Yeah, you can kind of do it. But if you get to that level of like the world sommelier is the classic, the top 25 guys and ladies have something special going on in their nose that most people don't have.

30:39BubblemanSo you get this specialized group, which I suspect a lot of us in here that are growers and hash aficionados, and we love these aromatic volatile compounds. We have a complex olfactory and we smell these profiles in a full experience. Jolly Roger was saying, what if some of these complex profiles aren't being perceived in whole by the masses? And what if Skittles is one that 95% of the population can just perceive as the full bouquet?

31:16BubblemanSo all of a sudden now they're a sommelier when they try Skittles. They get to go deep and taste the levels to it and taste that full profile. And it's always, oh, wow, like, Don't get me wrong, I love Skittles, but holy shit is it tried to death. Like if you just want to win any contest, all you have to do is grow some Z Terps and you will win the contest.

31:38BubblemanNow, I don't know, everyone wants to grow, win contests so that they can sell seeds. But if the contest is about winning a contest and not actually about like, Maybe somewhat the economic viability of the cultivar in regards to how it washes or what it produces, the weight, the profiles, all of those things. It has to be able to fit into that because if people are going to taste this profile and be like, oh, everyone's got to grow the Z.

32:08BubblemanEveryone's like all these big companies, small companies, they're ordering these terps and then realizing maybe that's not as easy of a cultivar. Maybe that's not like a mainstream cultivar as much as it's designed perfectly to

32:21Collin PalmerAll right, so we're going to move on to the next question, which is, what is the most complex thing that you've ever come across in your life? And what are some of the most complex things that you've ever come across?

32:40Collin PalmerYou know, every time I've ever seen it in a contest, no matter what, it gets the best score from myself. And I do that because of how complex and how otherworldly in terms of what it does to your olfactory. And if you look at the spread of terpenes that are in that profile, it is actually an outlier. It really is. I would say Z was an outlier, but now it's becoming much like I think of our day, sour diesel was kind of an outlier until it wasn't.

33:08BubblemanSo we grabbed that White Thorn Rose yesterday. I saw Huckleberry.

33:13Collin PalmerIsn't it amazing?

33:14BubblemanWe grabbed a cross of it.

33:16Collin PalmerYeah, the crosses of it, I'd love to try. I've been a little nervous about getting them because my heart wants that profile and I know how long it'll take to search for that.

33:30Collin PalmerEveryone wants that. Yeah. But I love the idea that it's in there somewhere, right? But I guess the point of bringing that up is I think there's a lot of these other rare ones out there. And I think over my time, I'm sure your time, Craig and Marcus, and perhaps ATN, you've seen these outliers, but they don't get saved. They don't get put into production. And they rarely get the light of day that they deserve.

33:54Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us.

34:03Collin Palmercompounds and volatile organic compounds that we're still learning about today um we're still learning about the vernacular of even how to describe them talk about them and then put them in the context of commercialization that's a whole other bag of worms right um but it's it's really you know from from a genetic point of view there's just such a huge world that because of of the breeding techniques that were so narrow through decades of breeding You know, we really did narrow that pipeline down and I think it's now just starting to get a little bit more opened up and I'm excited to see that happen.

34:37Collin PalmerI know people are saying, oh, we're all narrowing things down. Do you not remember that all of us had super limited spaces and that was truly narrowing the gene pool because we literally couldn't have more than a few males or a male to make, you know, these outcrosses. So open pollination, you know, as I think David and Skunkman said so well, these large open pollinations are starting to happen again with some of these breeding techniques that people are doing in larger scale because commercialization is allowed for that.

35:11Collin PalmerBut I think right now what we're really coming out of is really that narrowing. If you really put a really fine lens on it, we just didn't have the space. And the space that we did have had to go to production. So I don't think...

35:28Collin PalmerI don't think the lens that like we're, we're destroying a gene pool is correctly, is correctly being put on, on where things are at in terms of genomic research and genetics right now. I think people are searching to open up the gene pool more. But again, every breeder's got a vision and that vision is coming through, through those seed lines like bloom seed, because only, you know, DNA, all have their individual visions as to what they're contributing and why.

35:54Collin PalmerBut it's true.

35:56BubblemanI saw Edgar as well.

35:58Collin PalmerYeah, and I was going to mention Edgar too. Like he is a totally, that's why I wanted him on the show because he's such the antithesis in a lot of respect. He's like the backyard hash maker who's outside, right? And I love that. Like I think there's something really beautiful in that pursuit to not be super techie, to just be making seed and kind of selecting what you got.

36:22Collin PalmerBut on the flip side, there's also something really amazing about being forward. You know what I mean? So... That perspective and the economy and that inflection point, I think where we're at today is, I don't know, it's expanding. I don't think it's narrowing in a lot of respect from that perspective. So that's, I'll leave it there.

36:41BubblemanYeah, it's been great hanging out with all these guys for the last, you know, three, four days. I get to see them. I got to see my good friend Javier from Medical Seeds who had some terrible, like, I think it was a tumor that just like grew in his head and then started throwing his inner ear off and He ended up like having to learn how to walk and eat and talk and like everything again.

37:02BubblemanSo he's been four years out of this. He's still walking with a cane. He's a little shaky, but he looked good and he was doing well. And just a brilliant guy, Catalonian here in Spain, who's been spending a lot of time in Thailand, as well as South America, Brazil and Uruguay and Paraguay and Chile. And so, yeah, for those of you who want to check out Medical Seeds, give him a shout out.

37:29BubblemanHe's just, he's another one of these guys like Bloom, like Exotic, like DNA that just has, you know, their perspective, their nose, right? You're looking at something that you like and then you share it with the world. And if you do it the right way, I guess the world likes it and everyone wants to try it. And so it's a huge abundance of flavors at Spanibus. I will really miss Spanibus in Barcelona.

37:54BubblemanI don't know what it's going to be like in best country. I mean, best country is epic and beautiful. I just can't picture 20,000 people, like 25,000 smokers going there and like having the hotels for them and smoking everywhere. And like, there's just not, it's not the same thing. I think they'd have to do it in another big city, but we'll see. We'll check it out. I'm sure we'll be there next year to, to, to see how it's going to be.

38:20BubblemanBut, um, For now, it's a wrap. Spanibus 2025. That was my 20th and 21 years. I missed the COVID year, but a lot of Spanibuses. Holy shit, a lot of Spanibuses.

38:50BubblemanDoes he have an earphone in, Etienne? Okay, so the one he has in has the microphone. So he has to put it in his left. He has to put it in his left. Exactly. It's in my left ear. I didn't know about AirPods. I thought both of them had microphones, but until I did this trading a headphone thing on Hash Church, I was like, I think only one of these has a working microphone.

39:17SpeakerWe're getting screwed over here.

39:19BubblemanYeah, for the most part. You guys have to cozy up.

39:27SpeakerWhisper in my ear. Sweet nothings, sweet nothings. I'm a fan of this. Exactly. It's an onset of growth over the past, you know, since I came in 2010. And the quality as well as... You know, the quantity has grown, you know. Don't get me wrong, as much as there's great cannabis and seed makers, there's tons of pollen chuckers out here, as our friend Ryan would say. And yeah, it's also challenging to separate the wheat from the chaff as well.

39:59SpeakerThere's so many seed companies and people representing this grown so large and so fast. Again, quantity, not necessarily quality. So you have to search for it. Of course, you know about it. It's your bubble magic. The process demands that, but not everybody follows that. And it was unfortunately visible as well. So, you know, it's the good, the bad, and the ugly, depending on how it goes.

40:26Etienne FontanBut, you know, Bilbao is a big city.

40:29SpeakerYou know, I'm Basque, so I'm always partial to the Basque.

40:32Etienne FontanBut, yeah, they will just have to grow and get more hotels so they can, you know, have all of us there.

40:38SpeakerIf not, Barcelona will have to do something and reclaim its footing.

40:51SpeakerTotally. Yeah, I was going to loop back to what Colin was saying about Johnny's White Thorn Rose. And one thing that has really brought some of these cultivars that we've had That we're revisiting is the resurgence of hash locally and rosin, right? Like Johnny will even say that White Thorn Rose isn't necessarily something he's going to put in a jar. It just doesn't have the aesthetic. And I actually grew something from Johnny many, many years ago.

41:26SpeakerIt was called, we called it Fruit Loops back then. He still has it and it kind of resurged this past year. Harvest season for him. He's calling it a different name because obviously he can't use Fruit Loops. But that one as well just grew these big Nerf footballs. But the Terp profile was phenomenal. It was so good. So I keep nudging him like, hey, Johnny, how many cuttings doing?

41:53SpeakerYou got that Fruit Loop still? So we'll see what happens with that one. I would have called it Root Floops.

42:00SpeakerOh, you know what? I just messaged him. I was asking him what he calls it now, and it's Paradise Punch. So those of you looking for something new, new, anything you see with that Paradise Punch, It is phenomenal. Like bag of Froot Loops.

42:17Collin PalmerDoes he sell seeds, Craig? It's one thing I'm unclear about. You know, I was under the impression he just kind of works with people, but maybe you can drop the listeners, even myself, some knowledge here. Are there seeds available of any of the stuff he's been working?

42:31SpeakerYeah, Tangled Roots. Go to Tangled Roots. That's the, I guess, the seed broker that he uses. But yeah, you're right. Locally, Yeah, you've got to work with him directly. And he's really taken care of and doing collaborations with just some of the legacy operators here. And it's really nice. It's given a lot of farms a chance to enter the market and to have something that will get them some good traction.

42:59SpeakerSo it's really cool what he's doing to help cultivate the community. Really appreciate Johnny.

43:05Collin PalmerYeah, the collaboration is really, I think, great. And it's something I think the community needs more of. You know, everyone doing everything at once is perhaps confusing, I think. But if a grower works with a great hash maker, I think that pairing together elevates each other as being, you know, the concept of becoming the water. And I think that's a great pairing. I encourage others to kind of step into those roles together and really truly collaborate.

43:36Collin PalmerYou know, because we do see it does work, you know, from totally, you know, totally.

43:41BubblemanAnd one thing we definitely hear a lot about that White Thorn Rose, even out here, it's on people's lips, man.

43:49SpeakerI live in Maine, and I've heard about it a ton of times. I've seen it come up a lot. And through my social media, like, you know, Twitter and Instagram and people raving about it. I haven't got to try it myself, but I would absolutely love to.

44:03BubblemanYeah, it's interesting. It also, someone was, someone was telling me it was kind of a gate kept genetic that doesn't really get out, which I'm always like, Ooh, man, I'll tell you if I can give anyone advice that has a genetic that they have, that's super special. See, there's two things. It can be special because no one has it, but it can also be special, but no one has it.

44:25BubblemanThe ones that are really special that no one has. I urge those people to get that out to as many people as you can, because it shouldn't be a risk to you or put you in a negative. But what will happen is you don't have to have that special thing that like five or six different people. I'd share it with did the same thing with the Congo League was like the only that had it.

44:50BubblemanThey loved it. There was a very small group of people that had the Congo and people would pay so much money just to get it and it was this whole vibe and what i noticed was when i gave the congo away like a hundred hundred people the people who truly loved were like three of the 100 people that got it those three still grow the congo everyone else is probably trying to get the white throes now like it's You know, I haven't seen it.

45:20BubblemanI haven't smoked it. I saw a lot of beautiful things out here, but I didn't see any of that. But my partners from Maryland, who I came out here to meet, my partners that I do the Bubble Man brand with in Maryland, they were raving about it. They said they had gotten some in Vegas at MJ BizCon and that it was some of the nicest smoke they ever smoked.

45:40BubblemanAnd they're definitely calm on this tour. Be tough.

45:47SpeakerYeah. You know, part of that, I think, is part of what you're seeing from that is it's all coming from full season farms, right? It's none of it is, none of it, to my knowledge, of the White Thorn Morose, Rosin, or Hash that you might be seeing is light depth. So it's got that full season expression. Very nice. Very nice. End of the season expression.

46:17Collin PalmerIt makes sense. It's awesome. You say that because it's it's very complex. You know, it has this At the right temperature, man, it just throws all kinds of, you know, adjectives at yourself. It's really, you know, like, I think, Marcus, I think every cutting that was truly amazing has been coveted that way until it's just everywhere, right? Like you said, I remember getting cuts from AE77 on the forum days, and he used to send me a letter with everything.

46:49Collin PalmerHe used to say, if you want to save a strain, give it away. And that always stuck with me, you know, because it's, it's true. It's tough to play gatekeeper, God, whatever the, you know, you want to call it. But I also understand why he wouldn't, you know, that's something he worked on and he wants to keep in his collection. I have things like that.

47:11BubblemanThat's it. If you've done some great work and created something special, keep it.

47:15Collin PalmerYeah. No, I understand both sides of it. You know, to bring it up.

47:24BubblemanUnless you know how to really store your genetics and like liquid culture, liquid nitrogen tissue culture, if you're just keeping clones and you're not sharing it with anyone and you don't have it, like it's just a scary thing to lose a genetic. Genetics have just gone away.

47:42Collin PalmerI would have lost my New York City garlic if I didn't give it to one of my... New York City. I totally agree.

47:52SpeakerWould you guys like to see some art here? Sure. Anyone that asks.

47:58BubblemanYes, absolutely. Please share your screen.

48:01SpeakerI never have shared my screen, so I'm going to try here. I think we should be good.

48:08BubblemanYeah, I think so. So let you sharing options and share all participants can share. Perfect.

48:21SpeakerPerfect. And then Zoom.

48:23BubblemanYeah, you can go.

48:29SpeakerHe is screwing tasks. Let's see. I don't know. I might have to come out and come back in. No, I think I'm good now.

48:43BubblemanDo that. No, the curator has started sharing. You can see your screen. You can pick thing. And instead of sharing your entire screen, you can just choose that one specific thing, like a photo or whatever.

48:56SpeakerBut this is, is this okay now?

48:59BubblemanOr do you want me to see you like the light room? Oh, you can, if you, if you stop the screen share, but if you stop the screen share and you click, and then you go screen share again. And now that you've got that video open, just choose the video. We don't need. Yes, it is. No. All right.

49:20SpeakerSo obviously, when we talked last time, we talked about doing a melt and people have been asking me forever. And I figured I can't put it off any longer. And the best place to do it would be here. So I melted my my Frank mask from Donnie Darko. And yeah, a little you'll be able to see how much to that way. So I didn't weigh it, but I think it was somewhere like a gram in the neighborhood of a gram.

49:49BubblemanJesus. With the shatter eyes? The hards?

49:54SpeakerYeah, plus Shatter Eyes, and I ended up smoking like a little over half of it. You'll see in this video, but I was absolutely ripped, and I was going to go back in, and I was like, I don't know. I'm like, I was so nervous doing this. I've never melted anything like this before, and I put so much effort into them that I was like trembling as I was going to film, essentially.

50:13SpeakerBut here we are. I love it. Look at this.

50:26SpeakerOh, shit. If there's music playing, it'll it'll

50:52BubblemanIt'll make, it might make my YouTube video unshareable in the future. You cannot. Can you mute it?

50:59Collin PalmerI will go back. To be honest, Marcus, I couldn't even hear what it was.

51:06BubblemanI couldn't either, but the insane bro. All it has to do is pick up like three points, like that, that, that, and it picks it up. But I can, I can go back. That melt video was beautiful, by the way, like absolutely stunning.

51:21Speakerridiculous dude i'm telling you that is that's what you should do with all your art i think moving forward sorry now i've done it once now i feel like i can do it all the time i can i want to melt like everything that once i started editing it i was like oh my god it's beautiful

51:51SpeakerYeah, it's crazy. Backgrounds. Is that what? Sorry if I'm. Can you guys hear me? I'm just asking who you are. Oh, I'm sorry. Craig invited me. This is Johnny Casale from Huckleberry Hill Farms. All that talk of Huckleberry. I had to invite him in for a minute. Awesome. Good one, Craig. Good one. Sorry about that. Yeah. I'm in Spain.

52:24BubblemanDude, that's okay. Great to have you on. He needs AirPods. Yeah. Little AirPod in your ear. You're laughing. You'd be like hearing everything.

52:39SpeakerDude, hash is crazy.

52:41BubblemanListen, get out of the family. Yes, hash is crazy.

52:47SpeakerI mean, in Spain, dude, there's a big world out here. Like they are just craving those unique genetics that we're growing. It's just, it's taking, I think, some time to kind of Get us organized, but it is on like every country around the world is coming for us. So it's a really positive vibe. At least gives me a little bit of hope for our industry and what we're kind of doing.

53:17SpeakerBut anyways, hopefully I can answer a couple of questions for you guys before I lose you.

53:24BubblemanYeah, dude. Well, fuck. We were definitely talking about the white thorn rose and the unique turps and some of the things you guys are doing. And it's yeah, it's awesome. You're not with Spain. Spain has been going off for the last 10 years. Incredible growers, incredible terroir and amazing hash makers like at the top of the game. You give them access to great genetics and they can really shine.

53:48SpeakerYeah, right. Morocco to Ireland. Germany. They're all coming.

53:58BubblemanA little bit different than selling seeds in the U.S. when the Moroccans come up and say, we need 1.5 million. Can you do that?

54:08SpeakerThere were some people from Humboldt, and I won't name any names, in two days sold $250,000 worth of seeds. That's how bad they want our genetics. Oh, yeah. So it's on.

54:18BubblemanThat's awesome. They buy millions of seeds over the course of like, it's insane, dude.

54:28SpeakerYeah. You know, really, it's the White Thorn Rose. It's kind of enabled our farm to continue forward and Um, you know, starting to release some of those genetics with some hybrids that I'm, I'm doing, you know, Craig's been patiently awaiting a strain I used to grow with my mom, you know, over 50, 45 years ago, um, a strain that we called, uh, Fruit Loops back then. Um, but it's the strain that really, I, you know, is my mom's legacy and a strain that I've read every different, um, Thank you.

55:04SpeakerThank you. Thank you.

55:32SpeakerReally, in my opinion, White Thorn Rose has done a lot more for the industry than just what it's offered in rosin and hash. It's really, I feel like, That it's not that green shiny apple or that red shiny apple. It's this kind of fluffy bud that always has a little stem that people really want that I can put in a flower form in my jar. And so it's kind of trying to break that stigma that, wow, oh, that one looks like that and it tastes this amazing and it makes me feel this amazing.

56:03SpeakerMaybe let's try some other farms genetics that maybe aren't that shiny red apple too. So I think it's doing its work on its own and I feel Pretty grateful to have it as a part of our farm and gives me a platform to tell a story of the small farmer in the Emerald Triangle.

56:22Collin PalmerWell, I can tell you, you know, someone from myself, I come from the East Coast, my man, and I got introduced by it from Heritage. Kyle had given me a sample of it and he said, you know, you got to try this, man. I know you've grown a lot throughout your career and doing what you do, but try this. And it reminded me of all these amazing things that I have grown, but not together, you know, in one varietal.

56:44Collin PalmerAnd it was really unique and really among the Zs and all the things that were coming up at the time, my palate, it spoke to me in a way that was much more complex than the Z Terps that I, you know, respectfully have tried, even the all crosses. And Those are great profiles, but respectfully, you've done something really unique and it's really special. And I really respect that a lot.

57:08Collin PalmerI really thank you for contributing that and keeping that work alive. That's one thing I hear from you is that you're honing in on things that are not only a part of your legacy, but part of your own palette. And getting that out to the world is... It's hard to stay excited, right? And I think, you know, getting it out to the world keeps us excited because others get excited.

57:33Collin PalmerAnd much like music or art, I think, you know, what you're kind of contributing is really, really awesome. I mean, I think it's something that we in cannabis don't see a lot of. You know, we see a lot of, now I'm working with this because it's the most popular thing and I got to make a million out crosses of this because that's, you know, what we do as a seed company.

57:58SpeakerAnd some of those farms that are chasing those hype strains, I think really, in my opinion, are destined to fail because they always have to produce more than big ag. It's a race to the bottom. But like Craig has Coyote Blue, he has all these unique genetics that he's creating. And it's really hard to stay the course and say, look, this represents me. This is who I am.

58:22SpeakerI know that this is amazing, something different that's That doesn't fit that, you know, what you're maybe looking for, but I'm telling you, and trust me that this is amazing and this is special. And once they build that trust, then it doesn't matter what you put in your jar at that point, right? They built that trust and it's unique and it's different and it's cool. And, you know, what makes me feel good might not make you feel good.

58:46SpeakerSo it's really up to them eventually to discover if it's something from Alpenglow or it's some certain terpene or cannabinoid that's That's affecting them differently that makes them feel amazing. So, um, yeah, White Thorn Rose is kind of giving me that platform and, uh, we're following up with a bunch of hybrids and, you know, thanks to the Emerald Cup and Bell from Heritage, um, kind of gave me something that maybe otherwise I would have, uh, you know, probably kicked to the wayside.

59:14SpeakerAnd so it's really about the farmers, the friends, the manufacturers that really participated together to actually. Bring it to the forefront and give me a platform. So, um, I don't ever want to abuse that, uh, that voice and, uh, or mistreat White Thorn Rose for, for what it's given to me. So, um, really in a, in a conundrum right now and would love people's feedback is like lots of pressure to release feminized seeds of the White Thorn Rose to the world.

59:45SpeakerAnd yeah, it would be great since that's the, the, the real, the strain to that's enabled our farm to move forward. That's given us all this attention and I can hoard it to myself and, and always be able to sell it or whatever that looks like if it's just about money, but to, to release it to the world, according to like Nat from Humboldt seed company says, dude, I released the blueberry muffin to the world and I held onto it for a long time.

1:00:12SpeakerBut the attention and the excitement that that generated with so many people just sold every other string we had. It was just like, and it was amazing feedback. So I'm kind of, you know, going back and forth.

1:00:28Collin PalmerHere's another encouragement from you. Look at it like this. You know, if musicians didn't ever share their tab music or their music with others, They would never excite other musicians to be aspiring to do the things that they did. And you can never take away, and we'll just use the dead as an example, you never take away what Dark Star is when the dead plays it or has played it historically.

1:00:50Collin PalmerThere can be a million cover bands, Dark Star Orchestra, everybody can all play it. It'll never ever be the same. But it's the catalyst that you brought to that moment in time to release that for them to take on that inspiration and try to recreate what you've created. And that's That's an honor, you know, like you should, I encourage to take that in as more fuel to keep doing more, you know.

1:01:14SpeakerAnd I've also been told, which is encouraging to release it, is that, you know, all the regenerative farmers always talk about terroir. And, you know, maybe White Thorn Rose grows just exceptionally well in my certain area. So there'll never be another White Thorn Rose like the one that's being produced at Huckleberry Hill Farm. And Craig knows that as well as anybody that his farm is unique and special for its terroir and the way he does something, whether or not even knows he's doing something or not.

1:01:45SpeakerWe do things just because we've been doing them for the last 40 years and we might not even know that's what's affecting the flavor, the taste or whatever. So I just, I guess I need a little bit more confidence in just going forward with going, okay, let's go. Well,

1:02:00BubblemanWell, dude, I'm stoked to have the Paradise Pine in my hand right now. I just found out about Paradise Punch. It's the new, new Paradise Punch crossed with the White Thorn Rose right here.

1:02:11SpeakerThank you. Yep, that's the original Fruit Loops that I call Paradise Punch now. Because I just did get a fifth and deceased from Wrigley's because I had a strain White Thorn Rose crossed with Skittle. So I had to deal with that a little bit. But I felt pretty honored that, oh yeah, Wrigley's gave me a little attention here. You know, clap me on the wrist. Yeah, that's not bad.

1:02:35Collin PalmerYeah, so. You know, can you tell the viewers, once again, like, where can we get your seeds? I never knew we could get your outcrosses. You know, I always assumed that this was a relationship thing, which I love just the same. I think it's amazing. But those out there that are interested in your gear, what can you give us where?

1:02:58SpeakerI've been working with a company called TangledRootsStore.com and we've released quite a few genetics, some hybrids crossed with White Thorn Rose. Paradise Pine is definitely one that's been around for about a year now and has really captured... A lot of people's attention and they're entering into contests now. We are releasing three new strains, White Thorn Rose Cross to all these, Margie's Magic to Riddles, which is a Skittles White Thorn Rose Cross and to Paradise Pine.

1:03:30SpeakerDon't know what they're going to be. Don't know if they're great. Don't know if they're garbage. But I got a hunch that those individual strains are unique and special in their own way. I think the hybrid is going to be unique and special. So I love it when people Fino hunt with me. Like I want this to be a consumer home grower venture with the grower. And I love it when people share pictures of the strains that they got from me.

1:03:55SpeakerSo it's never about the money. I know it's not that way for Craig. At Alpenglow or myself. And it's something bigger. I might not even be able to put it into words what it is, but When you've been doing something for the last 40 or 50 years and you're still doing it and you still find passion in doing it, it has so much meaning and I always get kind of choked up and don't even know why.

1:04:20SpeakerIt just, it means so much to so many small farmers and we're all in a pretty tough spot now and I just hope and I encourage every small farmer to dig deep in their seed selections or their thing and grow what they want to grow and And not grow these hype strains. You know, coyotes lose something special. And I'm sure all these other farmers have some unique cool stuff.

1:04:46SpeakerSo anyways, I'll let you guys go. I appreciate you having me on and yeah, keep on. Absolutely.

1:04:53Collin PalmerPleasure to meet you. Thanks. Sure. Yeah. Riddles is awesome.

1:04:56BubblemanI want to link up with you. I want to link up with you. I'm here tonight and maybe I'll get my, I'll get Craig to pass me my phone number. I sent it to him in the chat room. And give me a call in a couple hours when church is done. I definitely want to link up. Sweet. Right on, you guys. Have a good one.

1:05:14SpeakerThanks, dude. That was awesome, Craig. Yeah, sir. You know, I would never share unless I felt it was appropriate, Marcus. I wanted the... Oh, no.

1:05:23BubblemanATN does it all the time, and it's always appropriate. I love getting a little private message. Oh, I'm going to send so-and-so in, because I was just like, who the fuck is this guy? I didn't recognize...

1:05:35SpeakerI emailed you, and I didn't even think about the chat.

1:05:38BubblemanOh, email that mouse.

1:05:42SpeakerI think seeing him talk about this is going to be cool for a lot of people. I think a lot of people are curious.

1:05:49Collin PalmerYeah, like I said, it's a really, um, it raised my eyebrows up immediately. The moment I took my first dive, I looked, well, yeah, I just started laughing. I was like, this is what it's about, man. This like this whole thing, you know, the whole experience of that, that exhale was, um, You know, you have cultivars that touch you like that through your career or life. And I think there's there's something to be said for what he's doing.

1:06:18Collin PalmerHe's taking his mother's legacy that is really personal. It's so it's just amazing. I mean, it's it's really it adds a lot of color to it that, you I could feel through the profile, but now it confirms a lot. You know, it's really cool.

1:06:33BubblemanWell, it's a small world to have that in my hand as Craig was, because I knew my buddies had bought it. I saw it on the table, but I was like, oh, get that. Was that the Paradise? Oh, shit, it is the Paradise Punch. Oh, the world is a trip, man. My life is a trip. I'm going to smoke some of this Argentinian full melt bubble. I also have some six star dry sift all whipped into a rosin like consistency from Wolverine Dabs.

1:07:01BubblemanQuite a few people donated dry sift to bring to Amsterdam in a couple of days for Skunk Man Sam celebration of life that we're going to do there. And that's just nice to know to have some some of what he smoked a lot of, which is full melt bubble. Dry Sift and Bubble. Oh, there we go.

1:07:20SpeakerYou guys should know that Johnny's farm is, he's literally on the same house and farm homestead that he grew up in, that he talks about his mom. And he got a legal license to grow on it. And it's 5,000 square feet. It's tiny. So that's what he talks about, like making every moment possible. Like, and every inch of that work for him. And, and he's found, he's found a really good niche with it, you know, and, and it's not on the south side of the mountain either.

1:07:56SpeakerIt's a little bit northy down low, you know, get some morning fog, right? So all those things we talk about what it takes to grow really good resin. It's not necessarily the south facing ridgetop getting, you know, full dial of sun or, you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:08:43Collin PalmerAnd I think, yeah, like you said, elevation really matters, especially out west, because it's such a drastic change in elevation in terms of temperature swing. And yeah, those mornings, I think, add that. Aaron Wiggins, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google,

1:09:18Collin PalmerYou know, so it's, it's interesting all these years we used to think like big full sun was really necessary for, you know, getting the best out of a thing, you know, a crop, but You know, as we get older, it's really interesting, you know, the controlling, you know, where you plant, what varietals you plant where, I think is another aspect of it. And I know that you do that, Craig, on your farm.

1:09:41Collin PalmerIs there anything that you can share that you kind of, when you look at a season, you're like, hey, this spot's going to be this, this spot's going to be that. What's the kind of methodology that you kind of think about when you do that?

1:09:55SpeakerYeah, most definitely. We're just 10,000 square feet and we're operating on our legacy homestead that was old logging land. So our house is built in some of these clearings in the forest on a mountainside. And I know one thing I learned early on was where we put our lighted up greenhouse. And it's just 1,200 square feet, a little hoop house that's open to the air. But we face...

1:10:26SpeakerEast, Southeast. So we get that first morning light. So for that, we have those up against the tree lines because we allow the morning sun to open the greenhouse with its light, but then we close it at 6pm, right? And that's when those shadows of the forest come across the greenhouse. So you don't have that heating it up and making it hotter or more humid inside. And then we can reopen it at 10 PM when it's dark out.

1:10:51SpeakerAnd that way our light up is open to the stars and moon and, and night and cool night air. That makes our little bit of light depth we do unique. And then, yeah, what you're speaking to is like our sunniest spot is we're next to our solar panels. And that's where we're growing like Sour D and Clementine and some of these sativas and our guava gift. You know, our guava gift has become pretty special.

1:11:16SpeakerIt's a great dual purpose flower. That is bringing out amazing resin. And we just had a flower test on it at 37% THC. And these lab numbers are like, they get weird to me. I don't, I don't quite always understand, you know, it's all algorithm and calibration.

1:11:36Collin PalmerFull sun, that's incredible. I mean, the fact that you guys are kidding those kinds of numbers, I think for listeners that don't know, I mean, I look at COAs all the time, all day. Like I study like, hey, what's, you know, what is this farm growing? I mean, It's very rare to see a full-term sun-grown flower hit that kind of number. And I think that shows the care that you guys take and the feeding schedules you guys have and the soil biome that you guys have and really speaks to what you do without even saying much, to be honest.

1:12:05Collin PalmerSo I think that's something to really highlight here. Usually it's like mid-20s, maybe slightly higher, but that's really impressive, Craig, for real. Is that?

1:12:18SpeakerYeah, think the soil that we've grown. You know, we really adopted a lot of these no-till practices where we worked with Josh and Kelly. They've been to our farm a few times and Dr. Elaine Ingham. And really honed in some of these practices to do that. And you know what I'm most proud of is we grew the Oakster Dam OG from Purple City. And I really, that's in my mind, that's the Sohum OG we grew before it got to Oakland, right?

1:12:51SpeakerLike I got it back and I was like, this is what I built my house on. It's incredible. We pulled 4% terps on that.

1:12:58Collin PalmerWow. Yeah, that's also like, Those are the numbers, you know, 4% turfs. I mean, with anything above 22%, it's going to be insane. You know what I mean? I would argue anything with 4% turfs is going to be just perfect, you know, regardless of the tack or what the THC says. Um, that's really, so when you guys are doing your soil, like how do you guys, um, so you said your no-till, um, what's, what kind of cover crop are you guys in using, um, season to season?

1:13:33SpeakerYeah, it's actually growing right now and we use, uh, and I'll share where I get it from even. The legume mix from Le Ballister's in Santa Rosa. It's a bulk seed company. They have an organic mix. You get like 50 pounds for 40 bucks. It's the biggest bang for the buck. What I've learned is I don't want any grasses, no wheats, no ryes. They're too friendly. They get too...

1:14:01SpeakerI want fava beans, bell beans, vetch, things that snap really easily because I think some of you might have seen on my Instagram. One of the ways we terminate that cover crop is I stomp it down with my skis. I crimp it. So I step it all sideways. And depending on timing, we'll put a little... Hey, can we please say how awesome that is that you do that?

1:14:27BubblemanThat's amazing, by the way. I've seen the photos or video of you doing that, and I fucking love it, dude. On his snow skis.

1:14:36SpeakerYeah, I actually use a pair of Rossignol B4s that were garbage. I took them. They're literally like been skied four times, four runs in Alaska because I took them up there. They were supposed to be the, the, and they were terrible. They were like skiing on numb two by fours. So they're perfect for stomping down cover crop. They have like zero flex. And they're just planks.

1:15:02Collin PalmerBut yeah, so how many runs in the greenhouse you get on? That's the question.

1:15:07SpeakerWhat's that?

1:15:08Collin PalmerHow many runs have you gotten in on the greenhouse on them, though? You only got three on the hill.

1:15:13SpeakerYeah, like six years, six years. They're working great. That's awesome. Yeah, that's the biggest thing is, you know, the organic material and growing those cover crops. It's incredible. We've been at the no-till living soil thing for like eight years now and it's exponential. There's a couple years when I had some health issues and I really had to rely on the systems, you know, that were in place, nature, and she pulled through for us.

1:15:42SpeakerIt's like you don't have to work as hard now. It's really, really nice.

1:15:51SpeakerThat was my timer. Oh, your timer. Okay. Does anyone know if Wade's going to join us this morning? I'm hoping he does.

1:16:05Collin PalmerI was hoping he would.

1:16:06SpeakerI thought he would.

1:16:18SpeakerHe comes in when he can.

1:16:19BubblemanHe adds a lot to it. I don't know what to do with the Hash Church today. I don't know if we'll pull up and see who else pops in and comes in for shares. If I was more organized and had a big team, I could have organized a really good Hash Church event here. It would involve a lot of... You know, different computers and people and help that I just can't do on my own.

1:16:46BubblemanI mean, I could have invited Ramo and, you know, 50 different awesome people could have been on Hash Church right now, but it's also the middle, like it's five o'clock or six o'clock on the last day of Spanibus. So this is like from now to like, you know, one or 2 a.m. That'll be when the majority of people are definitely going to be. And Huckery Farms got their Thank you for that, Craig.

1:17:13BubblemanThat is awesome connection. I love connections. I'm here, actually, like I said, this apartment that I'm staying in right now is an apartment we rented for me to meet with my Maryland partners who are growing in Maryland. Craig, they're also looking to get a greenhouse and start, you know, they're conscious enough. They want to do living soil. They want to do, Maryland's very difficult. It's not easy, but I told them, look, I have the right people.

1:17:37BubblemanWe'll be able to get some consulting from the right folks. We'll be able to get the right, you know, pointed. In the right direction, we don't have to go fucking state-of-the-art, multi-gazillion dollar greenhouses. It's just completely unnecessary. We can go beautiful sun-grown resin in Maryland and just produce some great products under the Bubble Man brand. So I'm pretty excited about that. Have you guys come across...

1:18:02SpeakerHave you guys come across Purple City out there from Oakland? You know, we work closely with Purple City and they really put out consistent fire for a hash. When they say something's vetted, I feel really solid about them. They're like one of the only nurseries I turn to. I turn to them and I turn to Hayes Valley for some of the legacy lines they have. You know, they really have a beautiful Santa Cruz Blue Dream.

1:18:31SpeakerAnd I'm also been running their mule fuel, but between Hayes Valley and Purple City, it's like, that's really, they're, they're doing a good work and making it, taking the guesswork out of it. You know, I run my own lines and I try to work with like folks like Johnny, but then we also want some staples that we know can, we can count on and, and Purple City's done a really good job for us.

1:18:54Collin PalmerYeah, I like the name.

1:18:55BubblemanI remember. Oh, sorry, Colin, go ahead.

1:18:57Collin PalmerYeah, I was just going to say that the out east, we don't have, we don't have like, you know, Hayes Valley. It's just not as mature out here. You know, I'm actually supplying clones to a few farms myself. And, you know, we're testing and keeping everything clean, doing all the things that needs to be done to provide a clone that could go into production and not, you know, have any issues, you know.

1:19:19Collin PalmerBut it's really hard to find clones. Clones for people, you know, I think that's one of the hardest things to find clean clones at scale. It's just, it's really tough. So I know Purple City have worked with people like Mendocino Grasslands and even Hayes Valley, I think works with Mendocino Grasslands as well. So I think you're right. Is there any other, anyone else in the state doing good work in your eyes or is it really those two?

1:19:46SpeakerYou know, it's those two. We have a really nice local folks here in Humboldt Source, but they're more so getting lines from Uh, Purple City, like a year after they release, you know, Purple City has been amazing to us. They, they give us, um, like a little head start. Like when they say they're going to release something at Emerald Cup, we, we probably have it already. Um, just that little bit of kickstart, which is really nice.

1:20:14SpeakerThey did that with us, with the Mad Fruits, and I'm actually going to be jumping on a call with, uh, Arum on, uh, Monday night, and we're going to figure out what he can pull out of their vault for us that they're going to be releasing. I'm going into this next year, but, you know, that that's a game changer for us. And and for me and Melanie, you know, we're mom and pop farm.

1:20:35SpeakerSo we'll do a big drop from them like we get them to the farm on the longest day. We get them like July 4th or 5th and then we just set them and forget them. We do no light up with them, plant them, you know, three feet on center and a five foot wide row. And it really works. You can see on our Instagram, there's some pictures in there standing with Mila when she visited.

1:20:59SpeakerAnd it's a row of Moroccan peaches and a row of papaya balm. And it's just the right height and width. And just it all works out really well for us to get cuttings at that time and do them that way straight into the ground. We actually have now we have an auger that goes on a drill. A five-inch auger so I can bump up into a six-inch pot, get a really nice root mass, and then I can auger deep into the native and pull it up.

1:21:32SpeakerAnd instead of shoveling or digging where you're compacting and cutting, it brings those beautiful tailings of native soil. So I can set, let's say, 100 holes in less than an hour with this. It's a whole hog, essentially, drill with an auger on it. It's beautiful.

1:21:51BubblemanThat is awesome. I'm officially coming to your farm, dude. I'm telling you, maybe August or September, favor, and I'm going to come down to California and be with you, man.

1:22:04SpeakerThat's great.

1:22:04BubblemanI'll bring my, do some pepper crops.

1:22:10BubblemanI know that you guys are doing great, but I can tell you guys are doing great. Well, that terroir, you know, that California, just beautiful sun and earth and everything is just like in this unique combination where you are that you just get these expressions that, well, everyone, all terroir is that very thing. But like, like you said, like Johnny was saying earlier, like, you know, him, he's like, I don't know, maybe I'm just maybe my farms just expressing this or Craig's farms just expressing this in the perfect I think that's from the genetic standpoint.

1:22:47BubblemanWhat a cool thing to send your genetics around the world and see how it expresses indifference. Just so cool.

1:22:55SpeakerYeah, we don't even know. Johnny's like, I don't even know. We've been doing the same work. I've been at it for 30 some years. And it's like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm producing.

1:23:13SpeakerGood on you.

1:23:14BubblemanKeep doing what you're doing.

1:23:21BubblemanThat's Myrtle. Jar check. Oh, Myrtle. Is Myrtle on House Church? Yeah, Myrtle is.

1:23:30SpeakerThat's Myrtle.

1:23:32Etienne FontanYes. I thought I heard you say that. Myrtle is not only...

1:23:42BubblemanYes, there's Murr on Hash Church. It died. It stopped working. It's not working, that one. It's not working.

1:23:58BubblemanNo, his voice is gone. We can't hear you. Here, let me change it. Can you hear us now? There you go. Yes.

1:24:10Etienne FontanLet's get it.

1:24:11BubblemanYes. Say hello, Myrtle. You guys enjoying La Clem Glacé? Is that the ice cream parlor? Is that what that basically place is called?

1:24:21BubblemanOh, I can't hear her now, unfortunately. You gave everyone a chance. I can hear you.

1:24:28SpeakerCan you hear me now?

1:24:31BubblemanYes.

1:24:32SpeakerYeah.

1:24:37BubblemanWelcome to Ash Church, Myrtle. Thank you. Myrtle was just in Austria with ATN. I guess they were down.

1:24:51BubblemanGeez, cannabis all over around the world.

1:24:54SpeakerSo talk about the cannabis, everything. Play the ball. Go ahead. Yes.

1:25:10BubblemanWe can't hear her now. Now we can only hear you, ATN. I'd say if you want her to talk, give her both headphones.

1:25:21SpeakerOkay, I have them both now. Now we can hear you clear. Okay, great. We're here in Barcelona at our favorite cannabis club called La Crema Gracia. So I'll just ask Kenzie, what does La Crema Gracia mean? What does La Crema Gracia mean?

1:25:44BubblemanThe cream of?

1:25:50SpeakerYeah.

1:25:53SpeakerOkay, so it's The cream of the neighborhood because the neighborhood is called Gracia.

1:26:02BubblemanYeah. Oh, cool. That's a good name. That's a good.

1:26:12BubblemanI'm about to light up some minor mounts. I don't know if I guess I got to put it on somebody. Minor amount hooked me up with the jar earlier at the Eco Clash a few days ago. I've almost done it. It's pretty much the end, but I'm going to have a nice dab. It's called the Cowboys Perfume, and it's quite a lovely combination of aromatic volatiles. I like different.

1:26:36BubblemanIt's definitely nice. Man, I've been putting the dabs to this Puffco. I think I'm about 250 to 300 dabs into this unit.

1:26:45SpeakerDoes it count the dabs for you?

1:26:48Collin PalmerIt does actually. In the app, it counts them. I'm actually sending my bass back because it just won't hold a charge anymore, Marcus. I think the same, you know, I clean it religiously. I mean, the thing is, you know.

1:27:03BubblemanYou have to. Cleaning it is important because oil gets into it.

1:27:09Collin PalmerYeah, it has to stay plugged in to keep working.

1:27:13BubblemanOK, yeah, I've had that happen to my iPhone before. Where I think I think that's a thing where it's like the connection is loose, like it doesn't connect proper inside. I don't know. I'm sure they'll fix it for you.

1:27:28Collin PalmerThey're going to replace it. Send me a new one.

1:27:34SpeakerI got a rip, guys.

1:27:36BubblemanThanks for coming out, Mark. Appreciate you. Thanks for melting Donnie Darko with us.

1:27:43SpeakerI thought I want to show you guys before anybody else. And I appreciate you having me on. I'd be happy to be on whatever to talk about Pash or anything to do with the plant. I'm always happy to be around.

1:27:53BubblemanWe're just going to require first right of refusal for all your melt shots from the rest of your life from now on.

1:28:01SpeakerWe'll talk after this. Send me a DM. We can get right into the legal. But I'll be happy to show you guys stuff first all the time. I'll come on anytime I can and show you guys cool stuff.

1:28:11BubblemanThe legal will be a high five.

1:28:13SpeakerThat's actually how I function. That's how all of my contracts have been signed.

1:28:18BubblemanWell, that's how I do it too. So there it is.

1:28:21SpeakerI love it. I'll catch up with you guys maybe next week or sometime soon.

1:28:25BubblemanYeah, man. Thanks for coming out. Enjoy Maine.

1:28:28SpeakerI appreciate it. It's beautiful. It's getting nice. Spring is sprung. It's springing.

1:28:34BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, what is it, March? What's the date today? The 15th, 16th?

1:28:38SpeakerOh, I don't know until I check my phone.

1:28:40BubblemanIt's the 16th. The 16th. So my birthday is in 15 days. I'll be 52 years old, March 31st. Wow. That's going to be fun.

1:28:52SpeakerMy birthday is in eight days time. I'm on the 28th of March, 27th of March. Oh, we're close. A couple of Aries. A couple of Aries, yes. We like to take charge and boss everybody around.

1:29:12BubblemanYes, we like to steer the pot. It's a little bit of that.

1:29:16SpeakerI'm April 17th, so I'm on the tail end of Aries. So three out of five of us are Aries. Yeah.

1:29:23BubblemanOkay. Wow. Wow. Yeah. My daughter's April 13th. So she's also right in there. It's good stuff. Good time. Everyone has to have a birthday. So I guess a lot of us are going to be having them soon. Happy birthday to both of you.

1:29:38SpeakerHappy birthday, guys.

1:29:45BubblemanAwesome. Thanks for coming out, Mark. Of course. That was pretty cool when he melted that big fatty head today. I don't know if you guys were here and saw it, but he took that big Donnie Darko evil bunny that he made out of rosin. First of all, his rosin is absolutely off the chart. It's ridiculous. It's so beautiful. It is awesome. What are you doing over there, ATN?

1:30:07BubblemanYou're looking. You're trying to figure something out.

1:30:11SpeakerStop tapping it. You're triggering this. All right. Okay. Keeps on floating out there.

1:30:18BubblemanOh, okay. Well, we can hear you very clear. Oh, look at that again. Oh, my goodness. This technology isn't a car to deal with. This is what happens. The kids, they're great at this stuff. Us a little bit less so. Yeah, just going to head to Amsterdam tomorrow with Ryan Lee with Chimera. But I'm going to go see Diana and hang out in Skunk Man Sam's apartment.

1:30:44BubblemanIn Amsterdam and just plan his celebration of life. We raised a little bit of money there at the Spanibus thanks to Doug from TH Seeds who put a little book out for people to sign and a little donation bucket. And it's going to be fun. I got a bunch of static sick that was gifted to me from around the world. So we'll have static sift to hit.

1:31:10BubblemanAnd I'm going to go make a bunch of static hit with Julien from TH Seeds. He's got a bunch of beautiful dry sift at his house in Amsterdam. And he's going to be there on Wednesday. So I'll be doing some nice static sift, you know, the day before Sam's celebration of life. So the sift will be sifted right off my hand. And we'll be at his celebration of life, as I know he would want us to, because that would be the priority.

1:31:42BubblemanLook, it doesn't matter who died. We got to have full mouth dry sift while we're here. And so we're going to represent for him and, you know, see his family and see his friends. And it'd be good to see Soma and Jer from Dutch Horticulture, previously Gavita, and just all sorts of cool people. I know some cool old Dutch breeders are even going to come out of the woodwork.

1:32:04BubblemanAnd I didn't get to go to the one in California myself. So I was pretty sad about that. It was also kind of in shock and mild devastated as it was all playing out the way it played out. So it just kind of came and went, even though I did stream the whole thing. I still didn't feel like I got to be there and be with my friends and be with, you know, Dave and his family, Dave's family.

1:32:27BubblemanSo I can do that in Amsterdam. And I think it's going to be a nice time. It's going to be great to see Soma, to just sit at Soma's and get as absolutely destroyed as humanly possible as Soma and I like to do. We like to go to the brink, as we call it, on the brink, on the precipice of where high meets nightmare. Just that fine veil of a line where you're just like, whew, I'll tell you, man, it's just right there, isn't it?

1:32:58BubblemanI'm going to do that with someone. Yeah, sweaty palms, dude. Oh my God. Just like, you know, after so many years of knowing Soma, which honestly it has been like 25 to 30 years at this point in time, you know, the things that would give me anxiety about getting high, like, you know, back in the day you'd go to Somas, it was like you had like a nine hour difference plus the nine hour flight that you just did, you know, plus the five hours of pre and post and All the amount of time.

1:33:26BubblemanAnd when you land in Amsterdam, you're just destroyed. And usually what people do mistakenly is they like don't eat food. They go right to buy weed. And then they smoke a bunch of weed with like low blood sugar and then like pass out or feel like you're going to pass out or feel that kind of scary feeling. And when I first went to somas, I was like, oh, my God, like.

1:33:46BubblemanI don't want to pass out or throw up or shit myself. Not that I'm like doing those things on the regular, but that's how high you can get after traveling that kind of distance and smoking concentrates with someone like Soma or Skunk Man Sam. And nowadays, I'd be the most comfortable to shit myself and pass out at Soma's. I'd know that I'd wake up all taken care of.

1:34:08BubblemanThey'd have me all cleaned up. They'd be like, you're among your family here, brother. So certainly going to enjoy I mean, I'm not going to get so lit that I lose my rental car, but I am definitely going to work on getting as lit as I possibly can. Let's get some new headphones there, Etienne.

1:34:26Etienne FontanHow's that? Can you hear me okay? Okay, I want to introduce you to Kenzie Ribollet. He is one of our guys on the ground here at La Crema Gracia. He lives here in Barcelona, but he also heads a lot of what we do at the Cannabis Embassy. He was not on the ground with us in Vienna this year, but he is one of the policy geniuses who's been helping discuss as well as shape cannabis policy at the international level.

1:34:55Etienne FontanSo, Kenzie.

1:34:58SpeakerUh, Bobby.

1:35:03SpeakerWell, Kenzie. Hello.

1:35:09BubblemanYou can't hear? Hello? Hello? Yes. Welcome, Kenzie. Thanks for the work. You're doing good work. You're welcome. You too. Thanks for the great recording history.

1:35:16SpeakerSo what brought you to this? What brought work? Yes. Yes. What brought you to do this work?

1:35:33SpeakerI was brought in by older activists that have been here before, in particular Frenchman Farid Gawesh and US Army veteran Michael Favit, who's been in the UN advocating for cannabis freedoms since 1998.

1:35:55SpeakerI was saying there was like he took over the like Rastafari. I think basically the only people advocating for what kind of liberation that you went from the 60s to 1998. And in 1998, somehow they pass on

1:36:11SpeakerThis thing to Michael Kravitz, and he's been holding the battle for 10 years and finding new people to come in like me and others to create this movement, which results now in the Cannabis Embassy. Cannabis Embassy is just something that has been since 1998 in the making of activists from around the world that just get together. And yeah, and this year, it's a hundred year of the first treaty that controlled cannabis internationally.

1:36:50Speaker1925 is the beginning of international cannabis prohibition, pushed by, not by the USA. At the time, the USA were not yet anti-weed. They were quite normal. It was Egypt and South Africa. Two African countries, the North and the South of the African continent. These two countries pushed for cannabis prohibition in 1925. Just after they were supported by Italy, the Mussolini, Mussolini's fascist Italy. So now we are 100 years of this of this treaty and you know it's we've seen it even in the US.

1:37:31SpeakerUSA is a country that generally like doesn't give much of a shit about the treaties and the UN even more now with Trump but still we have seen how the single convention on narcotic drugs has been actually changing the way things are debated because actually the federal government sort of has to abide by this fucking truth Because they pledged themselves to do that. I think it's their treaty somehow.

1:38:00SpeakerIt's sort of the fucking treaty is important, whether we want it or not. We have to deal with this treaty, with this United Nation. The question of drugs is a very essential matter. The ambiguity of the prohibition comes from the fact that we've not been enough active in this model of prohibition of the United Nations. And now we're fucking 100 years of prohibition, we really need to.

1:38:23Etienne FontanYou can probably tell them that we call these the United Nations.

1:38:26SpeakerYeah, the model, yeah, the United Nations, the drug, the United Nations, they have the headquarter in New York, but they have also another headquarter in Vienna, in Austria. And it's a huge, ugly building. And it's where you have the drugs commission, the drugs, anti-drug agents, and everything. And we really call it a model of prohibition because it's a fucking model of prohibition. And it's the same building you have, like the agencies of the UN you have, it's just drugs, crime, nuclear agency, nuclear test, only like hardcore stuff, I don't know, nuclear, crime, etc.

1:39:06SpeakerAnd you don't have like human rights and stuff like that. It's just like hardcore cops, copsy stuff. Well, it's awesome work, man.

1:39:19BubblemanIt's important what you guys are doing for sure. Getting the word out, pushing forward and kind of explaining to people that don't know much about it why it is important to get these treaties signed and You know, get the fucking world governments off the back of cannabis for good.

1:39:37SpeakerYeah, well, it's actually this world government is the sum of all government. They are all like all governments are super happy of the U.S. because. They can always blame the U.N., but the U.N. is really them. Many governments make up the U.N. It's just a club of fucking governments. And they are all friends together. You know, we saw Iran and the U.S.A. work together just last week.

1:40:01SpeakerIran, Russia and the U.S.A. It's a club of governments. Yes, double-faced, but it's really the center of the project. Awareness of it is important, really. And this year, 2025, centenary of the International Cannabis Prohibition. Every cannabis user in the planet should be aware of that. It's a hundred years, and we should continue

1:40:31SpeakerAnd I want to mention something also, because it's important. On this year of the centenary of cannabis prohibition in the Philippines, we had during five years of our Brazilian system, people who smoke weed, patients, growers, killed by the police without any fucking judicial trial or whatever, just shot by police. They put their body in the street with a sign, I'm a drug user, I'm a fucking junkie, whatever.

1:40:59SpeakerIf you use drugs, you will end up like me. And that was mandated by the president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte. Unbelievable. He said himself on TV, I will be worse than Hitler, I will make a genocide of drug users. And last week, he got arrested.

1:41:18SpeakerAnd now he's in the Hague and he's going to be on trial. So that's huge. He's going to be on trial for genocide of drug users. So, you know, we can also get something good from the UN if we know how to steer it. And that's thanks to, you know, David Borden, the US activist. Very little people know about him, but the guy has been tirelessly fighting to get it.

1:41:43SpeakerUh, this flipping president behind bars to activate the UN protocol to get him, you know, extradited in the dragon in trial for crime against humanity and managed to do it. So, you know, activism like that really pays. Now we have a fucking huge symbol and the centenary of prohibition. We got some of the worst prohibitions, you know, in, in trial behind bars.

1:42:07BubblemanThat's unbelievable. I had no idea that that happened recently. I knew all about that psychopath and what he was saying about drug users and how he was comparing himself, saying he'd be worse than Hitler. I was just like, whoa. This guy is a psychopath. And so good. Good for him. He deserves to be arrested by the world. And hopefully he... Yeah, and somewhere that's not good.

1:42:37SpeakerHow can we follow? How can we follow or be aware of what's happening with your organization? Cannabis Embassy. You can look up for Cannabis Embassy. Michael just came in. Yeah, he's at the end. Michael, I was talking about Michael Pravitz earlier, the beginner of all that in 1998. And yes, the Cannabis Embassy, we are still in the process of formalizing it because Cannabis Embassy has been an informal group of activists from a lot of countries, from South Africa to Spain, to the US, to Mexico.

1:43:17SpeakerWe had 13 different countries at the UN. 13 different countries this year. And we are still in the process of formalizing it. So we have social media, for instance, we have Instagram, but we don't, we haven't hit like a thousand followers. So please follow us on Instagram and on social media because it's... Hi guys from Vienna. They are still in Vienna. They are still in Vienna. Next door to the model of prohibition.

1:43:54SpeakerWelcome. Yes, thanks, everybody. Yeah, we're on a little bit of quieter tone here in Vienna after the meetings and what y'all are experiencing in Barcelona, I suppose. But yeah, it's good to see everyone.

1:44:13BubblemanYeah, welcome to Mojave as well, who just popped in almost simultaneously as you did. You at Mojave in the

1:44:25SpeakerOh, I know if I lost you, my reception's kind of bad. I'm here.

1:44:29BubblemanNo, I hear you now. I hear you.

1:44:31SpeakerHi, guys. How's it going? I've been listening to the show, enjoying.

1:44:38SpeakerI heard Hayes Valley mentioned earlier. I was like, yeah, there we go. Talking about the real stuff. Hayes Valley. That's it. Hayes Valley. How's Barcelona? I have to say...

1:44:55BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:45:04BubblemanAnd brought rain gear and have just been driving my motorcycle all over Barcelona. And it's been absolutely the best part of this trip. I mean, I've loved seeing people and seeing new flavors and jar checking and just everyone's so passionate and it's so exponentially growing that it's nice to see. It's also sad because it's the last Spanibus in Barcelona and it's a big city and it It can contain us easier than I think it will in the north, in the Basque country of Spain, but we'll see.

1:45:39BubblemanWe'll have to see how it goes. This is going to be the end of an era for certain. It's amazing that you can be driving my bike and just look into a cab and see people from the cannabis industry. There's just thousands of them in Barcelona right now, so you see them everywhere. You're just bumping into people all over the place. And people just seem super stoked and excited and they want to share what they've done, whether it's seeds or flowers or hash.

1:46:09BubblemanAnd they're just there's a really big patch. I mean, Johnny came in earlier from Huckleberry Farms. He was talking about the White Thorn Rose and some of his crosses. Craig brought him in there, but he was. Oh, what was I going to why did I bring him up? He was he had said something. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:46:49SpeakerAnd, you know, just having that awakening. It's like, you know, the first time we went to Emerald Cup in like 2015, like, oh my God, other people smoke weed and other people want what we have. And just having that, like, this is happening all over the world. It's a global movement. And it's amazing. It really inspired to come back and work even harder. Have you and Mojave met in person before?

1:47:16SpeakerI don't think so. I have not. You don't know Craig from Alpenglow? No, man. Where's your farm?

1:47:22BubblemanOh, man.

1:47:23SpeakerI'm so happy to introduce you guys to be friends. Yeah, Southern Humboldt, if you stand on the porch of the Benbow Inn, if you know where the Benbow Inn is, and stand on the porch and look south, the big mountain right there, we're on the ridgetop. We drive up through the golf course to get to it. Fantastic, man. Yeah, about 1850 feet above the ocean, you know, above sea level.

1:47:44SpeakerSo we get about 60 more days of sunlight than the valley. Like Johnny, I'll call Johnny, actually, and I'll be like, how's the weather down there, buddy? And you're like, yeah, don't even ask. Got my beanie and my hoodie on. Yeah, it's such a difference. I was born in Big Sur and my brothers, my brothers live in Mindo and Santa Cruz and Sacramento and in Berkeley, all over.

1:48:06SpeakerBut but Mendo and Humble, everywhere coastal. It's like that coastal influence is so important, but not the coastal impact. And it's just like you're just right there. And Big Sur especially, I mean, you just get socked in. And there's just, it's like South Coast Big Sur below 1,200 foot elevation. It's pretty dark. The daily light integral in the summer can be pretty low. But then right, you just drive out of it.

1:48:36SpeakerAnd it's like, whoosh. It's like going into a different country. That's so cool. Yeah, definitely. We're 11 miles from the ocean as a crow flies. And we're actually on a ridge top between two rivers that come together right there behind the Benbow Inn. So if you look towards the west, you see nothing but fir trees and really steep mountains. And if you look towards the east, you start seeing oak and grasslands and cows grazing.

1:49:01SpeakerIt's really so we get these two air exchanges every day. And it's really just perfect. I called Soil Center of Sun Grown, you know, Southern Humboldt. It's just an amazing climate. That's great. Yeah, that is great.

1:49:18BubblemanMakes me want to be there. Makes me want to come there. I'm telling you, man, I have never been to California.

1:49:24SpeakerWell, I've never been to British Columbia, Marcus, so.

1:49:33BubblemanCan we have a time share? Promise each other that we'll do that. Yeah, we'll do a time share.

1:49:37SpeakerWe're going to come on a snowboarding. What's up, Brian? Let's go to Whistler.

1:49:43BubblemanYou said Brian from Best Friend Farm in the house? Yeah, yeah, I'll come to Whistler. Listen, obviously come to Whistler. It's important. Oh, my God. How you doing, Brian? I'll be right back.

1:49:55SpeakerPretty well. Nice to see you all.

1:50:00SpeakerHow are you doing? Nice to see you too.

1:50:04BubblemanDoing really good, man. Seeing all sorts of really, really nice jars, great flowers. Everyone's, I mean, the food is spectacular. Got a bunch of new people interested in publicly sponsored, so checking that out. So it was just partners from Maryland out here and we're going to go in a couple And we'll do Dave Watson's Celebration of Life. So what's going down?

1:50:34Etienne FontanYeah, dude. You in Barcelona right now? I'm excited about the whole...

1:50:42BubblemanI'm in Barcelona right now. It's funny because earlier I was like, I'll show them outside. Barcelona is so awesome. And I opened the door and I just go to like gently stand out here. And yeah, there it is again. They're still there. They're chain smoking cigarettes on their deck. So the whole outside just smells like cigarettes. I'm just like, oh my God, this is like one, two, three dudes on this tiny little deck.

1:51:04BubblemanThat's funny. They've been probably smoking cigarettes for like the last hour and a half. That stinks. I'm going to need a dab to remediate that tobacco out of my lungs here right now.

1:51:14SpeakerSo this might be a good time for everyone to load one up. If you got one. Load it up, man.

1:51:21BubblemanI think I'm going to go with the Pure Farms Sour Diesel.

1:51:28Etienne FontanVery nice. Very nice.

1:51:31BubblemanIt's a very nice.

1:51:33SpeakerI'll join you with the original diesel. I'm a fan of the side wraps. I really like seeing all the more, all the artwork wrapping these now.

1:51:44BubblemanYes. Yeah, I agree. I'm also a fan of that. You're not really allowed to pull that off in Canada, but I do do it in the U.S. market with Bubble Man brand. And when I see that stuff, I'm like, that's what I'm talking about, man. Like that is just looks good. Marcus, this is our branding for New York. Oh, wow. I'll have to make it full screen because right now you're just like a tiny little like talk while you're showing it.

1:52:20Collin PalmerAnd then because the compliance, they told us we had to have these egregious symbols. We incorporated the symbols as the main design.

1:52:29SpeakerNice. That's great.

1:52:31Collin PalmerThey even got mad at us. And they said, well, I said, you said that it can't be no smaller than, you never said it no bigger than.

1:52:39SpeakerI love it.

1:52:41Collin PalmerThey got mad. But yeah, this is our jar for our flower. Sherbanger 22 and the LA Runts. And then we have Lemon Cherry Sherbert and it's all flower. So and then next comes some of the hash and rosin and vape stuff. But yeah, that's super simple. And, you know, that's it. Got an activation this Friday at Housing Works in the city. So.

1:53:11Collin PalmerPlease stop by. But yeah, man. Packaging's like for me is is egregious because we have to get through all this regulation and communicate to people all at the same time. And, you know, everyone's got an idea of what that looks like. And some people want holographic cartoons. Some people want, you know, Whatever the signify that stuff. And it's every market's so different. In New York, we have to also use 25% PCR.

1:53:48Collin PalmerSo my jars are tree hugger jars from Germany, which are, I think, somewhere around 38% recycled glass or something like that. And then the tops are also ocean plastic. So it's really interesting. I hope from the packaging point of view, we can all kind of get a grasp on

1:54:08BubblemanThe impact that we actually make around us because it's quite... We should understand the impact we make with everything because the bottom line is most of the stuff we think we're recycling is being done for our own virtue signaling. It's not actually being... Recycled like most people's most people's garbage in North America gets shipped to like the Philippines and other countries where it's burned in incinerators like 90% of recyclables or even 95%.

1:54:42BubblemanIt's absolutely insane. The best bet is to try and stop using it completely. And if you can remove yourself from, you know, that that sort of way the best you can anyway. But yeah, there's a lot of A guy in Canada did a little documentary where he kind of Thank you for joining us.

1:55:30BubblemanIt's like countries doing the shameful thing of sending their garbage and their recyclables that they have no real economic viability in a way to recycle it in reality. So they just burn it. And this is where his recyclables were. And he even opened it up and started going through it. It was all Canadian packaging. So he knew it was absolutely the garbage that came. And you can find this, I think CBC put it on for a while, but then it got bounced off that.

1:55:59BubblemanAnd maybe he's on YouTube now, but I mean, we should just try to use less garbage and litter, throw less things away. But the reality is like, if you think you're recycling, Unless you're reusing yourself personally, that qualifies. That's like awesome. You're doing something. But otherwise, if you're just putting a bunch of like plastic bottles in like one of them blue boxes there, and you're taking it out to the curb there in the morning, you're not actually doing anything right.

1:56:40BubblemanAll. Yeah.

1:56:42Collin PalmerI'd say like sauna packaging. And I want to give a big shout out to Taproot Fields for being a good partner of ours and showing us sauna and, you know, working with us on what we do, which is, you know, try to put good product in the market. But it's been a journey because like 25% PCR sounds good on paper, but it doesn't really Make a big impact.

1:57:09Collin PalmerYou know what I mean? Like, as you just said, Marcus, like, and it costs us more, like so much more. Like no one has these like big rolls of 25% PCR film to make your bags with or, you know, or your, you know, jar tops or whatever it might be, you know, that you're trying to use for your post for consumer recyclable. But I think it's, yeah, it's a good step.

1:57:31Collin PalmerWe got to figure that out because it's one of the things that, you know, I've seen dispos like actually taking vapes back. And then when I ask them, like, so like, what are you doing with all these things? Like, how are you actually recycling it? You know, we send them to the Philippines. They lie.

1:57:47SpeakerThey actually lie. I mean, I know dispensary owners who have the container out there. And I'm like, dude, what do you do with that? He's like, we just take it out and throw it away. Makes everyone feel good. Right, literally right now, not even the recycle center, they just take it right outside and throw it away. And honestly, you know what else I found out at my kids' old school?

1:58:07SpeakerThe blue recycle bins all over the school, they actually, the staff actually just also threw that away. They didn't even, because they didn't even- It's gross, man. You know, the weird thing is that like in Big Sur, you know, they've got like the billionaire recycling thing where the billionaires pay to have the garbage sorted. Right. Because they're billionaires and it's so hard, you know, so it's like, but the reality is, is it's the sorting and it starts at the household and then at the recycle facility.

1:58:39SpeakerAnd that's why they just ended all the Philippines is the cost to actually pull, pull all the things apart that are recyclable. It's impossible, but the billionaires pay for it. They're like, oh yeah, we got a guy who sits there.

1:58:53BubblemanYou throw some food in there too. That's key. Like get some hard honey or some like egg yolk that's dried to the side of this bag or something. And it's like, they're just like, I'm sure for like a day they tried it. And then they were like, one guy probably looked at the other guy and said, look, man, if we just burn this shit, we could be the incinerator of the world.

1:59:14BubblemanJust burning the fucking...

1:59:18SpeakerI've never seen it, but me and Rob have always talked about like doing this. And I know he's he's worked on it a bit, but I'm lazy with numbers. But the carbon footprint breakdown for cannabis of like. An acre of weed that was grown in Mexico with manure put on a sailboat, literally a sailboat to California and then given to some family person who took it and sold it to their friends in plastic bags and people smoked it in little rice paper things, right?

1:59:51SpeakerAnd then take that same acre of weed grown in like, A greenhouse turned into fresh frozen, extracted, and then put into little portable fucking throwaway lithium batteries, vape pens, the same volume of weed. Like what's the carbon footprint difference between those two models of when we just used to just kind of just use it and... And now it's this big industry and all the jars and all the packaging and the distribution and everything.

2:00:18SpeakerAnd it's like, I get it. We're industry and that's what industry does. But man, there's something about cannabis where we all fell into this, like, I want to be like everybody else. And do it like everybody else. And that vape pen thing was so sexy and attractive. And watching it happen here in California and this little group of people and like knowing, I was just like, dude, this is, and the minute, the first, cause I saw, I remember seeing the first disposable and I was just like, wait, what's that?

2:00:43SpeakerAnd he's like, it's disposable. And I was like, oh my God, are you kidding me? You're gonna throw that lithium battery in the trash can? He's like, yeah, but it's so easy. People grab them, they're 30 bucks. I'm just like, I'm like, this is it, dude. It's like, we're all guilty now. And then we all, and for a minute it seemed ugly, but then the whole industry is like, hey, we're doing that too.

2:01:02SpeakerIt's part of the thing. It's just the way it is now.

2:01:06Collin PalmerBut the only thing people buy now, dude, like they don't even want 510 threads. They're not willing to even go the extra minute to buy the thing that's on the shelf next to it. Like, you know, they're just like, I want the, I just want it. I want to walk out and rip the package up like crazy. And maybe whether or not I throw that away is another question, you know, from the consumer's point of view and, you know, on the, on with their, their day.

2:01:35Collin PalmerIt's really hard to swallow. It really is.

2:01:38SpeakerIt's, Starbucks cups and lids, and it's the same model. It's like you've got these entry-level consumers. You know, the one thing that disposable might do, if you can get them from that disposable, like, hey, try this before you go buy a rig and all these other components, but know that this is like... Your entry level, right? Like when you come back, let's talk about getting you into, you know, a Puffco and a different way of consuming where you're not throwing it away every single time.

2:02:13BubblemanYeah, it does have very strong marketing play on the pivot versus with a jar of rosin versus a cart. And just the breakdown on how much nicer the experience is, you know, with a simple tool, cleaning it, fresh dab each time, not exposing the entire thing to heat. It's not a throwaway unit. It's, yeah, it's pretty... Pretty good education tool when first, you know, the first of all, like the thing about Puffco is it's beyond the cannabis community.

2:02:51BubblemanLike a lot of these units are just purchased by people that are just like, you know, I'll give it a shot. You know, they're just, it's not all just like hardcore cannabis people that are walking around with their Puffcos. That being said, there's a lot of us, but these guys have done so much business around the world. They've turned so many people into dabbling with these tools that, uh, It's just pretty incredible.

2:03:12BubblemanI mean, it's so good for all the genetic companies. It's so good for all that. This is such an important factor of, you know, that, that, that farming, the breeding, creating the cultivars and getting them to express washing and processing further till it turns into, and then, and then is it accessible? Is it easy to kind of deal with?

2:03:36SpeakerAnd I show you,

2:03:44SpeakerA little freezy, freezy, right?

2:04:04Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm got lights coming around.

2:04:07Collin PalmerThat was me. It's not. I thought it was me too at first and then I started to realize ATN was the thing. Yeah, it is.

2:04:16SpeakerYou're helicoptering on us there, Bubble Man. Your internet is unstable.

2:04:36SpeakerWe cannot hear you, Bubba Man. We cannot hear you. But we do feel you. Oh, totally feel you. We totally feel you. I wonder if he's going to share the screen thing of the Puffco. Marcus, didn't you do a thing where your comparison, there was a product comparison between disposables and refillable pens?

2:04:59SpeakerCan't remember if it was Popco. All the talk of the jar check made me think of TSA probably, everyone going to this event. It's like, let's see everyone's jars on the way through.

2:05:12Etienne FontanYes, yeah, we have a list. Hey, you.

2:05:16Collin PalmerLet's see. It'd be funny if you did an event where everyone, like the judges dressed up as TSA.

2:05:26SpeakerI went to an event yesterday. I went to an event in San Diego yesterday. It was the first open consumption kind of cannabis event award show thing called the Farmer's Cup. And I have to tell you, man, the sheriff and the DCC presence was so intense. I mean, they were everywhere. They had, you know, it was just weird, you know, because like just you mentioned TSA, how we can all now walk through and just show our jars and everything.

2:05:54SpeakerBut it was a weird vibe yesterday, I have to say. It was like... Because it's a regulatory thing, right? It wasn't about cannabis at all. And it was so open. I mean, at one point I was sitting there standing next to this sheriff, you know, and he's talking to these people that actually have the cookies team and they're sitting there puffing and they're just like blowing it in his face, dude.

2:06:14SpeakerYou could just see. And he's loving it. He's talking about like how his friends get too stoned at his barbecues and stuff. And I'm just like... We're in such a weird space where it's permissible and everything. And it's not about the cannabis, but then you look around and there were cops everywhere, but it was about trapping. It's all about trapping. They weren't there about the weed, they're about the money.

2:06:37SpeakerDCC was there everywhere. They had narcs. They had DCC guys going up trying to buy weed and stuff like that offline. And they had underneath their collar, you could see their green lanyard from their DCC badge that they had, but they were playing close. And then by the end of the day, you could totally spot the guy out. A friend of mine's like, yeah, that's the guy.

2:06:56SpeakerAnd he's over there and he's literally walking around and he's bringing... cops and dcc guys like yeah come this way like that and then pointing them that way and then just doing the rounds because he's going from booth to booth trying to buy clones trying to buy weed trying to buy um you know and i'm just like oh man it all what does it always come down to it always comes down to one thing follow the money it's always follow the money the money the money right And after they've abandoned their whole hypocrisy around the plant, they lost that.

2:07:24SpeakerThey know they lost that. They can't talk shit at all. TSA can't. The cops can't. DCC can't. But man, they are still freaked out about who gets the money on this. And you could feel that. It was palpable.

2:07:41BubblemanThey don't want to give up that money.

2:07:43Collin PalmerNo. So how was the event? Was it otherwise like a good vibe?

2:07:52SpeakerI think so. Yeah, yeah, totally. It was like, I mean, honestly, it was a better event that I'd been to. I mean, it's interesting because, you know, the Emerald Cup vibe was definitely a big shift. And you could see, like, if anyone on the call was at the Emerald Cup, it was definitely the end of that era, right? Like that celebration, you know, and, and, you know, that Cannabis Cup vibe of we're all here as brands and people, but we're also here as enthusiasts and just here to get high and have a good time, listen to music.

2:08:23SpeakerMJ BizCon doesn't hold that space at all, right? You know, and a lot of these other places don't. And Trapper events kind of do now in Cali. But they're a little bit weird because they're trappers. So it's like it's not, you know, it's the culture, but it's not really the real industry. And it's like we all want to be working together to actually not just, you know, so it had it did feel good.

2:08:48SpeakerAnd there was good food and there was, you know, a lot of booths and people were doing good. Some of the booths were selling out. So, yeah, no, it had a good vibe. And it was the first one for San Diego, which is big because San Diego is a conservative county. It was very different. You could feel the different NorCal, SoCal shift, you know, but it was good.

2:09:10SpeakerIt was all in all. It was good to see. They, you know, they they had a bunch of hip hop performers. I think Burner closed the night after. But it was, yeah, it was, it was good. But it wasn't, it wasn't super different. You know, it was more, somewhat more of the same. But it was, the only thing that was odd about it, and this is crazy, speaking about follow the money.

2:09:34SpeakerSo it's an event, I don't know how many people, you know, a few thousand, whatever. There was no parking. It was hard to get in, a big line of people. 10 or so food trucks and stuff, you know, a good amount of people. But all sales have to go through the DCC, right? So all sales went through one retail license. So one retail license controls all the money that goes through for the entire, for every single booth.

2:10:04SpeakerSo if you're selling flower, rosin, seeds, clones, whatever, you make the sale, you give the guy the receipt, the guy goes and gets in line and goes and pays for it and comes back and gives you the receipt stamp that shows you paid for it and you give him the merchandise. So that's pretty crazy to think that, you know, like that's, and that's this whole California direct to consumer consumption thing that got passed last year, where it was direct to consumer, but really it was direct to consumer through a distribution license and a retail license at a venue.

2:10:37SpeakerYou know, so this is an example of where one dispensary in San Diego got to put on a big ass event, have a bunch of brands sell, and I'm sure they did well. It was a good day. Because if the booth next to us sold out, that means that a piece of everything that they sold out, a considerable piece went to that retail. Because basically everyone was selling wholesale.

2:11:04SpeakerSo all the booths are selling wholesale. And everyone's going, damn, I wish I could sell direct to the consumer right here at my booth. So it's a weird model.

2:11:12Collin PalmerYeah, there's similar things in New York going on where there's a farmer's market model where you just have to be on, you know, utilize a distribution slash retail, you know, together. And then you can set up and then invite brands to do kind of tables and then sell direct to consumer there. And they take advantage of it.

2:11:32SpeakerBut do you, can you, can you sell directly at your table?

2:11:36Collin PalmerYeah, there's one master, you know, like they basically give you a ticket. So it's like, this is the product, go scan it, go to the cashier, and then they go fulfill it at the cashier, right? Right. And it's similar, it's like hall of flowers, right? Like when I saw that, I was like, oh, okay, I see how, what's going on here. You know, it was, it's very much like that.

2:11:57Collin PalmerAnd then the distro retail takes a percentage of that.

2:12:03SpeakerA big percentage, like the majority, from what I understand.

2:12:08Collin PalmerI don't think it's that way in New York, but I think it's pretty fair in New York. Well, I think it's negotiable. I think everyone's different, but I can't, I don't, there's someone out there that knows more than I do on the percentage cut here out here.

2:12:20SpeakerYeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm sure, I'm sure you're right. It's totally different, but, and it, well, it's just a wholesale retail kind of relationship. But the weird thing is that in Cali, because of the way you have to use retail to get to these consumption events and direct to consumer events, if you're a cultivation license only consumer, You can't bring your product back. So it's a one-way ride.

2:12:43SpeakerSo like if you are a flower brand, for instance, which is why one of the biggest issues here in Cali is distribution. Distribution quickly kind of not just took control, but steered the ship. And then when we got to the point that they passed this bill or whatever it was last year, the problem is if you don't have a distribution license, You can't sell something. If you have a cultivation license, you can only sell something.

2:13:10SpeakerYou can't buy something, right? Period. You can't buy flower. You're a cultivation license. You can't sell flower. I mean, you can't sell flower directly to the consumer. So these events, you have to have that relationship with the distributor that's like, bro, if you don't sell everything, it's got to go somewhere afterwards. But it can't go back to the cultivator ever. So it really benefits people who have a distro license and retail.

2:13:36SpeakerAnd unfortunately in Cali, a lot of people didn't apply for distro licenses and didn't apply for micro licenses when they could like a 5,000 to 10,000 square foot cultivation facility could have had just We've got a lot of stuff going on right now. We've got a lot of stuff going on right now. We've got a lot of stuff going on right now.

2:14:12Speakerahead of time so that you make sure like look it's going to go back on your van but i needed to go to this dispensary across town afterwards or to another distro or something like that so it it just still it's not as easy as like a farmer's market model where you can bring all your your wares you can sell them direct and you can take it back to your farm if you don't sell all your produce it's it's it's just weird

2:14:37Collin PalmerYeah, when it comes from that point of view, it is, it's weird. And I think it's, in California, how hard is it to just add a distro license? Is that something you can do or not? Because I, in New York, I have a distro license and we did that on purpose because exactly what you said, our learnings of like, yo, David Price- If you have to rely on everybody you know and you've got relationships it's really hard to pass that on that you know from a simple simplistic point of view and just you know, as you just perfectly put it, it puts you in a disadvantage, you know so.

2:15:14SpeakerYou know, one event, one event locally that's been happening called Canny Fest. Yeah. Happens here in Humboldt County in Eureka. That's one worth checking out. Even it's outside, it's on the waterfront. It's, you know, got a lot of, it's getting a lot of good traction and it's easy to fly in and out of Arcata from almost anywhere in California for pennies. It's really, you could do it as a day trip, a weekend.

2:15:38SpeakerIt's easy. And they, I call the, the music adult music. It's really, it's really on you. It's like they, they get the same booking agent as jazz fest or something. It's really good music. So we're really stoked on that moving ahead. And one thing, you know, you're talking about like distro. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:16:13SpeakerThree to four years, maybe even five of working with like 10 different distro companies to make it work for us. Cause we wanted to use it, use distro as like FedEx or UPS, just go from my farm to the store. Like, We don't need your extra branding. We don't need your trimming. We don't need nothing. So finally, Distro, or I mean, Soulful was able to buy a defunct Distro license.

2:16:38SpeakerSo now, I don't want to say we're vertically integrated, but we've got a really good, like organic, regenerative supply chain, I call it, right, where we're getting paid A fair price for our flower. And we can get small batches of pre-rolls, like constantly going to the shop. And Soulful has three shops now. Golden Gate Park, San Francisco Golden Gate Park, Sebastopol in Healdsburg, and we're working on Petaluma.

2:17:07SpeakerSo it's a model that's working. The one thing that They don't do is bring on branded flower into the shop. So you don't, you're not snow blind. You don't have five different jars with three different cultivars of the same product. It's like you have this curated flower wall hitting on all the different terpene profiles with a flower card that talks about our farm, the genetics, where we got them from, how we've worked them and the experience that you might have.

2:17:36SpeakerAnd And the consumers can actually come into the shop and actually grab a basket and shop. It's very boutique-like. It's not buying bullets where you're looking through a display case or looking at a video screen. There's not actually not a single video screen in the shop. It's all photos and touch and feel and sense and actually smell jars. It's an amazing setup. And that's the differentiator that's really helped us and our little farm.

2:18:03SpeakerAnd Soulful also knew That they couldn't support 100 farms out of the gate. So they had to really grab the hands of like four or five and just buy everything that they could from us. And now just this year, I was able to bring two or three other good friends farms into that model. And now they can start bringing in Farms and start really supporting that model to pay the farms well and buy what you got and and it's it's a saving grace right like and other other local retailers in this northern California area try to imitate their model but they're not doing it with full sincerity and they just kind of want to like buy their own big square footage and integrate it into their own store and it Having all of us go to the shop and share our stories like once or twice a month, you know, we show up with our boots on after letting the chickens out.

2:18:59SpeakerLike you can't do that with a brand ambassador. And that's, you know, all these little things are helping us stay in the game and keep it going for us.

2:19:10Collin PalmerYeah, I think even markets like out east, man, I think smaller, knowing your consumers, understanding like, you know, your own garden, To a really deep level, meaning like you're planning schedules and doing things like you're doing, Craig, where you're trying to find unique things. You're not looking to just a clone house that just gives you like a tray of whatever Instagram's most loved image is. And I think that's really what I think is the future of where we're at.

2:19:43Collin PalmerAnd I always struggled to understand why farms would just all grow the same stuff. It's just crazy. You know, it's just, it makes zero sense. Like, it's like a band that's just like constantly playing each other's music. Well, it's like, it's the weirdest, it's like the weirdest thing to me. You know what I mean? It's like.

2:20:02SpeakerYeah, but to that point.

2:20:03Collin PalmerI just wrote an album. I'm going to play your song now when I go on tour.

2:20:06SpeakerThat's what they did. They did that in the 50s and 60s. I remember when they'd have a hit song, every band would cover that song because people weren't songwriters back in the day. That's why the Beatles were so unique. They were a new band that came around like, wow, these guys write their own songs and play their own songs. It was like, whoa, what a novelty. No, I know it's laziness.

2:20:27SpeakerAnd like, Craig, your relationship with your distribution partner and their relationship with you, really, it's like that's the whole thing. And what happened in Cali with the distribution guys, they were almost predatory for a while. Thank you so much for having me.

2:21:08SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:21:32SpeakerI'm going to pass this emergency. I think it was some I can't remember what it was called, but it was to allow distribution to continue direct from farmer to retail. Right. So and then you had certain trade groups that were trying to set up agreements with groups like the Teamsters in order to control distribution. So you had industry saying like, wow, there's a huge opportunity here. And then you had policymakers giving everybody the assurance like, oh, don't worry, we're going to let the small family farm thing, the cap, and then the cap happened.

2:22:03SpeakerAll these things happened. But people essentially, it's not that they didn't check the box when they could have. It's just they didn't. It's like, I'm a farmer. I'm a breeder. Why would I want to...

2:22:18SpeakerSo they didn't think that that would ever be necessary, but because we were kind of duped, to be honest.

2:22:24Collin PalmerYeah, it's like, I didn't even know in New York, it didn't even present itself until I was like midway through the app. And I was like, wait, I can just check this box. And now I have distro. That's insane. I like, there was no, no one even told us that that could even happen. And I went back and asked my team, I was like, is this real?

2:22:43Collin PalmerCan I, like, this is, this is like, it's such a crazy add on. Why wouldn't we do this? You know what I mean? And there's so many, after the fact, talking to so many people, just like you said, it was the same reasoning. Well, why would I need, I know I didn't, I didn't do it because I didn't need it. Um, but in the rules and regs, you can't go direct to your partners, which are retail without it, you know?

2:23:07Collin PalmerSo it's really, you know, it's a really interesting thing. And now, like you just said, it's like, it's impossible to get now because the process is over. Um, or do you get in the queue for that as a maybe, you know what I mean? So long way. Yeah. So, and a lot of money that just isn't worth it and a lot of respect. So, But yeah, that's fascinating because it's almost like, you know, I always say this, every market's like a preview of a film we've seen before.

2:23:32Collin PalmerYou know, there's always some scenes in there you're like, oh yeah, I've seen that scene before.

2:23:38SpeakerYou know, so it's a reference you guys made to to bands and music. You know, I also play a different card. You know, we grow our own genetics or we work really closely with nurseries to get something out of their vault. But we're also growing like Hayes Valley Blue Dream because when you know a song and you know it's going to be played by a band you really love, you're excited to hear that music Coming through that lens or coming through that expression.

2:24:13SpeakerSo when we're growing an amazing cut like the Santa Cruz Blue Dream at Alpenglow, We sell out. Folks are really excited. Number one, it's going to be a small batch. And it gets great press because David Downs loves Blue Dream. And sometimes it's easier to join the parade than to start your own. And we don't have to do any marketing. People are familiar with like, I'll use Blue Dream again.

2:24:40SpeakerOr Sour D. People have their own idea on what it's going to be like. So they're like, oh, I want to try it. And I definitely want to try it because I know it and I know that farm and I've tried other things from that farm. And I think it's going to be a hit. And it's really worked really well for us. So we're playing these three different cards.

2:24:59SpeakerWe have our own genetics. We're working with like other legacy cultivators or closely with the nursery to get something new from them that's vetted that they haven't released yet. Or we're, you know, Jumping in in the parade and banging on our instrument as hard as we can to get awareness to what we've got going on. And it's working for our little farm.

2:25:22Collin PalmerI think that's really well-rounded, though. You know, like, that's kind of the perfect scenario, you know, like where you're playing to the classics, you're digging into things that, you know, resonate well with your actual environment, and you're growing them really well. And yeah, Blue Dreams are a grower's plant, right? Things insane when you look at the structure, you know? If anyone's, you know, I think all of us have grown it.

2:25:45Collin PalmerIt's undeniably a great plant. Same with sour, you know, grown well on the right conditions. All those things are incredible, but you also have your own voice. You know what I mean? I think that's what I was getting at before is like searching through You know, the new is often a chore for some, you know, and I think that's sometimes the most rewarding things come from that.

2:26:11Collin PalmerSo I think you have the best kind of scenario.

2:26:15SpeakerYou know what I mean? Our one and only light up this year and has been for five years is Jack Herrera. And so spot on. Dan, Jack's son, he's like, I want this for my brand. I'm like, I don't grow enough of it. Sorry. It's all going to Soulful. But, you know, keeping with some of these tried and true varieties that people love to come back to.

2:26:40SpeakerPeople like to know what they expect, especially in a economically challenged market. They don't have the finances to explore new, which is nice if you can have more of these events where we can share the new new. And that's just challenging in California.

2:26:58Collin PalmerYeah, I think we also need more breeders like Fletcher, not to blow smoke at you, Doug, but like you take the time to run stuff and you, you know, you're a grower's breeder, right? So you, you, you know what you're working with intimately and there's purpose and intention behind that, that, uh, You know, there's only a few handful of people that are doing that kind of work.

2:27:19Collin PalmerSo I think we, to get those keepers to be able to hunt through things, to make that time well spent, you know, it starts with that kind of, you know, understanding before you even get there, you know, like what did that breeder do to provide this hundred lot of seeds to me or whatever lot you might be getting. I know it's been tough for me over the years where I buy into, you know, I've bought hundreds of seeds, thousands of seeds from people where, you know, I was just really unhappy with what I was searching through, you know, and it happens, you know, like I, you know, and then I'll buy a fricking six pack of that.

2:27:59Collin PalmerYou know, I got like, I don't even know what I got. You're like expedition line. I found like three things. I was like, all of these are great. And then I ran to your other archive line. I was like, it's hard to even choose. You know what I mean? And I think that's where you need to be when you're, because there's a lot more sapphire than diamonds, right?

2:28:17Collin PalmerAnd I think that's the truth of it. And we've seen a lot. So it's a big world to explore. And it's daunting sometimes, you know, like to pick a selection for the season, man. It's like, you know, it's hard. Heartstrings are being pulled there, you know, like... Scheduling is tough. You know, it's a lot of awesome stuff to grow. I mean, I look at my seed collection.

2:28:40Collin PalmerI'm like, I don't even know what to do with it sometimes. You know what I mean? Because I'm like, where does this stuff go?

2:28:47Archive SeedsI think an interesting thing that Craig touched on is, you know, one thing I'm seeing like in Michigan where I have a partnership that's in a pretty big operation, what we're seeing is like some of the biggest retailers in all these states, just like Craig is saying, they're asking for varieties like Blue Dream and stuff that already has marketing so you don't have to re-educate the consumer.

2:29:09Archive SeedsAnd what we're finding also is that not only do they want that stuff, which is kind of expected, but The majority of them spent a lot of money building a big grow that they thought they were going to supply their little retail empire with, right? And most of them, well, all the ones that I've talked to and know about, they all failed at running their 2,000 lights, 3,000 lights.

2:29:34Archive SeedsThey put a $30 million, $40 million investment in the hands of $50,000, $100,000 a year employees, and you're expecting it to somehow... Correct itself and make millions of dollars. And it simply didn't work. And now what a lot of those retailers are doing from a... So what the retailers did is they basically beat up the farmers, which happens in all commercial agriculture. You get overproduction and now the retailers have pick of the litter and they can pretty much name the price and everybody will bow down.

2:30:08Archive SeedsAnd... They've been so successful at that that they've put a lot of people out of business. And so now they're trying to figure out, well, what do we do with our 2,000 lights? And what a lot of these retailers are doing is they're saying, how can we white label our own product? And that's essentially where a large portion of this retail market is going to go. I can just see it.

2:30:34Archive SeedsThe writing's on the wall. It's like Kirkland brand inside Costco. They're going to pick the most highest selling or Amazon basics. It's no different. They're going to pick their highest margin or highest volume products, and they're going to figure out a way to manufacture them in-house. And so what we've found is a lot of them are asking people like us who, Thank you for joining us.

2:31:24Archive SeedsA lot of small farms that have been maybe hanging on, small, medium, and large farms, just farms that have subjected themselves to the commercial economics of overproduction in cannabis. They're going to find that these retailers are going to say, Produce Blue Dream for me for $800 a pound or I'm going to pay someone to do it, to white label it and put it in my own bag.

2:31:51Archive SeedsAnd that's what a lot of their, that's what they're pushing for a lot of their retail to become. Whether the consumer likes it or not, the retailers are going, we're going to take a whole subsection of our sales and we're going to get someone to manufacture it in-house. For us, and that's going to be, it's going to become more and more difficult to introduce new strains into the marketplace.

2:32:16Archive SeedsAnd I think a big part of that is us not having a marketing platform. And this kind of goes into the conversation you guys were having earlier about high times events and cups and It's just become so diluted, all this cups. It's a participation award for everybody at this point. Oh, then we got 19 different awards for everything. And if you just give us three grand for a booth, we'll give you something.

2:32:43Archive SeedsAnd we saw that as the high times thing became commercialized and they ran that thing into the ground. It just became... It didn't, the awards had no value. I mean, I didn't even keep any of the cannabis cups that I kept because I, you know, they make a better ashtray than they do a fucking reward.

2:33:00Collin PalmerTotally, dude. That's 100%. But, you know, like, I think it is fragmented. You know, I had a friend tell me, he's like, how do you guys make any impact when it's so fragmented? You know, you literally asked me that question the other day. I was like, it's a really good question.

2:33:17Archive SeedsYou know, it's the only way you can reach your customer directly and get them excited about your product and not have some middleman fuck it up, whether it's a distro, a retailer, a retailer is trying to push you down on price and then you have to adjust your manufacturing standards, whatever it is. It's not working well, let's put it that way in the current system.

2:33:40Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, we already have people asking us if we white label for them in retail in New York and it's technically not even, you're not even, rolls and rags prevent that, you know? And I think that's part of the problem is like they just, They can't, they don't, you know, they don't want to stay in their lane. You know, they want to drive all over the lane, you know, the highway, so to speak.

2:34:01Archive SeedsWell, they control where the customer is spending the money. And it was a real estate game at the end of the day for retail. And so until we get laws that either allow farms to go directly to consumer or more companies vertically integrate, which is complex for multiple multitude of reasons.

2:34:18SpeakerYeah.

2:34:19Archive SeedsWe're just going to, I think, continue to see a dilution of the marketplace.

2:34:24Collin PalmerYeah, and then especially, you know, we have outside stuff happening with hemp and stuff that's uncontrollable that, you know, also can treat, you know, a lot of people would say the state systems are over, you know, due to that.

2:34:38Archive SeedsYeah, well, and I think I may be beating a dead horse here, but I think that It's very clear if you study agricultural history and the industrialization of agriculture that the biggest problem is overproduction, no matter what it is. And if we didn't, simply greed ruins pretty much every agricultural commodity unless it's like something that's super time and labor intensive to like saffron or something like that.

2:35:07Archive SeedsAnd so basically what we're finding is that As all these markets mature, there's not a whole lot of opportunity to deploy your brand and deploy your market and deploy your products.

2:35:23Collin PalmerYeah, I think that's well said, man. And, you know, it's only getting more complex.

2:35:31BubblemanI'm about to deploy these dabs with Josh, who just came in, my Puffco brother. Let's deploy some dabs.

2:35:41Collin PalmerLet's hit it up. Let's hit it up. It's interesting you brought that up, Fletch, because, yeah, we've been offered similar things in other markets. Yeah.

2:35:50BubblemanWell, I think that's what we're going to find. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, no, you go ahead. Sorry.

2:35:56Archive SeedsI think one thing we're going to find, though, is that in commercial agriculture, there was one thing that saved the big farmer, or two things, either farm subsidies or From the government or farmers unions, right? And those are the two, only two things that can basically keep the price of an agricultural commodity raised. And I think what we'll find in cannabis is that there is no government savior to come in and save your weed business.

2:36:25Archive SeedsAnd these like essentially. These really, really big farms who are mostly backdooring most of their product, or at least couldn't pay their bills without backdooring product. Once you have legalization everywhere, there will be no export market for them, relatively speaking, at least one that's profitable, because there'll be some localized production that's as cheap or cheaper. I think many of us have seen like Oklahoma and places like that, you know, Broken the trip up and taken a lot of business from like, let's say, California.

2:37:01Archive SeedsAnd I think that trend is going to continue. And I think that the competitiveness and dominance of California in the distribution and maybe, you know, it'll probably maintain its marketing strength. But I think that the distribution of product from California is going to continue to decrease. And as that happens, companies like Glasshouse Farms and all these booth farmers that are I frankly don't have any business being in business and probably don't really have a viable business model on a local level.

2:37:33Archive SeedsThey're simply not going to exist. And so I think that, you know, if there's any silver lining to this, I think that if there's any small home farmers or growers or people that are staying out of it, I think there is going to be a pretty significant opportunity in the future. For them to get back in business once all the extra fluff finally disappears.

2:37:56SpeakerI completely agree with that. And I'm seeing it already. Like our flower... Almost since the beginning has been pretty much pre-sold before we even plant just because we have good relationships and we're a small farm. But also we're starting to get calls from everyone. Like, what do you have? What do we, you know, like there's not good quality flower available right now.

2:38:23Archive SeedsExactly. And a big part of that is them pushing everybody that wants to do quality out of business, the retailers, right, with their pricing structure. But they actually end up killing themselves in this process because the consumer doesn't smoke four times as much weed when you reduce the price four times. Right. So they increase their volume somewhat, but their margin gets collapsed. So then their whole, the retailer's whole goal is to like, how can we either get more consumers or increase our margin?

2:38:55Archive SeedsMost of them, like I said earlier, they're going after margin. How can we get this stuff manufactured in house? But what they're doing, well, if they find the right cultivation partner to manufacture their white label products in house, then that works for them. And that's a good solution. For the majority of stores that are following the same trend, they are going to find that there's no growers to buy from anymore.

2:39:18Archive SeedsAnd the price is going to shoot back up. And there's a lack of cheap, like everybody's like, why would I buy your good weed for 1500 bucks or two grand or whatever the price is when I could get a $600 pound of something that's really good? Well, two or three months from now, that $600 pound won't exist because that company was only selling products at a loss.

2:39:37Archive SeedsAnd now Thank you so much for joining us.

2:40:04SpeakerRight. Then you have to then you have to enter into unethical practices in which is what agriculture did traditionally by exporting it and exploiting the people. You know, that's like coffee. That's what happened with coffee. Right. It's like good coffee. And then all of a sudden, what do we do? How do we get more coffee for cheaper? Yeah, no, it's an issue. But I think that one of the big problems that cannabis will will have compared to other commodities is that.

2:40:30SpeakerThe sheer volume of it needed to be produced. And we've talked about this before, Fletch, that it's never gonna, there's never gonna be that many jobs. Like corn, rice, wheat, soy, there's a lot of jobs associated because of the scale, the sheer amount of footprint it takes on mother earth, right? But when the actual numbers of how much square footage that cannabis requires, if it gets scaled, anything like ag, We'll require so few jobs that it'll just be a commodity that's controlled by so few.

2:41:04SpeakerAnd and the on the retail side, you know, nobody will even know on the back end, just like corn, soy, wheat and rice. Nobody will know on the back end that it's controlled by just a few conglomerates that make all these millions of different products made from corn, wheat, soy and rice. Right. So my fear is that if we don't continue to control it through quality, unique genetics, small farmer craft, all that stuff, then it will be the easiest switch for them because they've already proven that people will just take the boof and the vape pens and the crap and the shitty pre-rolls.

2:41:40SpeakerAnd then they could just level this whole industry and say like, you know, we can just control it and then turn you guys really into this tiny, tiny segment. And that's happened with other foods and other fruits and vegetables where like the people who are really into it, like tomatoes or whatever, the people who really grow the things that people want. Thank you for joining us.

2:42:21SpeakerThat we're really like a horticultural industry more than we are an agricultural industry, which to me is scary because it's so easy to take over.

2:42:31Archive SeedsIt's so easy to tip the balance between supply and demand, exactly.

2:42:37SpeakerCalifornia Retail has a whole other bottleneck that At retail, consumers are only allowed to walk out the front door with an ounce. You don't know how many times we're tabling and people are excited to get our newest release and they have like a dinner party or friends coming to the city to visit for the weekend and they want to buy, you know, three, four ounces to share.

2:43:01SpeakerLike, you know, someone's going to have a party. They're going to go get a bunch of different wine bottles, a bunch of different terpenes, you know, full expression. They don't want to run out, but they can. They're stopped at the front door with an ounce. It's terrible. You think about how many eighths a farm can produce, even a small farm like mine of 10,000 square feet. Like, how do you get it all through the front door at that small capacity?

2:43:23SpeakerIt's crazy.

2:43:25BubblemanYeah, you can buy a 55 gallon drum Jack Daniels, though, if you want. That's no problem.

2:43:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's funny here in Barcelona because you have to give your passport at the door or an ID. Take the super long time to become a member. Super great, though. The clubs are the best. Meanwhile, there's 4,000 bars on the road. Every 10 feet, there's a really amazing bar where everyone's just stumbling drunk all over the city. So it's just super interesting that, you know, cannabis continues to have this, like, Not part of just normalcy.

2:44:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSomehow it's just not, or it's just meant to be on the side for whatever reason that I have in it. In some ways, I feel like it's like, oh, it makes sense why they do that. In other ways, I have no clue why it's continuously stigmatized. When we've all proven for years now, it's amazing for the earth. It's incredible for the human biome. It cures all this stuff.

2:44:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYet we're sitting there giving our passport at the door to get in, you know, hiding in the back, hoping the cops don't show up. Yeah, it's just very...

2:44:32BubblemanWhen I left that club the other day, he had a stack of like a hundred licenses in his hand and he couldn't find mine and he couldn't find the other guy's. The guy, I think he was from like Austria or something. He's like, oh yeah, let's give our governmental issued ID to the two stoners at the entrance to the club. They're getting high.

2:44:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd they're like, it makes you safe. And you're like... Okay.

2:44:58BubblemanHe had them all over. He was like, he had 10 over here and five over here. He had big stacks of them. I was like, oh my. I didn't give my license. I brought my, or sorry, my passport. I brought my Canadian license. So that's what I actually gave him. I would, I could never give my passport. That's just like that. Everything in my beating says it's not a good idea.

2:45:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMost places don't do that. But the Odd Club, like we went to the Hash Times Cup last night. And they were just like super into it. The people that entered the cup didn't have their passport on. They're like, yeah, we're not letting you in. Passport only. Okay. Interesting. But anyway, it's been, you know, super great experience. And as far as like, you know, cannabis getting mainstreamed on the super high end, you know, crazy ag, I think just the more it does that, the more it is going to continue to pave the way for You know, that craft or that better quality item, you know, like beer.

2:46:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineA lot of people don't think about beer, but like there's so much, every beer has glyphosate in it, huge amounts, and it's fermented if it's not organic. And I mean, I don't know a lot of people that strictly drink organic beer. So I think that it's a matter of education. Four years ago when we first came here, not a lot of people talking about organics and we helped the organic cup.

2:46:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd a lot of people were like, how would you even know if they were doing organic? Or I don't think there's enough people here to like do a cup. And then now after being here this year, I would say the majority of really good quality stuff that comes your way, and Marcus, you could say what you think about that, but I would say the majority of good quality stuff that comes your way, those people are growing organic nowadays and in a super heady way, and almost all of the winners of the cups are You know, doing some form of either living soil where they do, you know, no till or some kind of super soil where they might move their soil onto the earth somewhere, you know, and then redo it.

2:47:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut it is really cool and amazing to see the quality rising so far out up here and stuff. And we judged, you know, like four different cups this time. So we saw a bunch of different stuff and met a lot of different farmers. And met a lot of different club owners and saw all their stuff that was coming in and everything and very impressed this time. It was very, it was, you know, super sweet to see.

2:47:35BubblemanYep. It's, uh, It's all top quality. There's a ton of passionate growers and hash makers here that have exceptional quality flour and hash and like six-star dry sift. I've literally seen probably a dozen different statics, really, really nice ones that melt away to almost nothing and just great representations of someone pulls something out and says it's a particular name. It's actually that expression and like a high caliber at that.

2:48:14BubblemanSo definitely, I've been pretty happy coming to Barcelona since probably around 2014. So maybe 10, 11 years, it's been, you don't have to bring anything here. Like it's, that's how good everything is from the perspective of someone like myself who wants to make sure I have nice material to consume while I'm here. And not only that, everything, someone opens a jar and says, hey, I want to share this with you.

2:48:38BubblemanIt'll be fire.

2:48:39SpeakerYeah.

2:48:40BubblemanIt's like super likely. See, a chance of sharing a jar with us right now. Although no one can see that. I'll have to put it on a gallery here. There you go.

2:48:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineReally stoked about Neighbors and the Brazilian crew and the Selva Club did amazing this weekend. Took a bunch of... awards and and then all the hash is is so fun to to look at and then there's a lot of hash makers that are trying to figure out what category to go in with the dry sift should the dry sift go into traditional hash should the dry sift go into melt should the dry sift be its own category what about rosin And then there is a lot of people can't grow like we do in the US or in other places where it's just full, like just how beautiful of a garden do you want to make?

2:49:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I think that brings a huge attention to detail. And there's like this, you know, like they don't have room in their garden for things that are not super thought out and super intentional. So I think that there is a lot of Skittles and a huge love for Skittles out here. But there is, you know, also a huge love for fruity varieties and in some cases the hazy, haze varietals from the traditional side of things.

2:50:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's been really amazing and seeing the different kinds of cured melt, whether it's cured melt, whether it's whipped, whether it's pietella or dry sift, dry sift, whipped, amazing expressions.

2:50:19BubblemanBig love to the... You're seeing a lot of whipped resins. They're taking bubble hash and dry sift and they're whipping it into a rosin-like consistency that is trippy. And you can still tell it's not by the way you scoop it up and whatnot, but I definitely see it opening Thank you so much for joining us.

2:51:11Etienne FontanMarcus, you're freezing up. Well, I'm going to end. You just saw this wonderful lady a few weeks ago on a hash shirt. So hi.

2:51:18SpeakerCan you hear me? Hello. There we are.

2:51:20Etienne FontanHow's everybody today?

2:51:21SpeakerHi.

2:51:32BubblemanWe're doing good. How are you doing?

2:51:34SpeakerI'm doing good. This has been such an adventure being out here in Spain for Sanbus, running to ATN and seeing all you folks here. Like, what are the chances? It's lovely to see you all again. It's awesome. Welcome.

2:51:48BubblemanWelcome, Caitlin.

2:51:50SpeakerIt feels like I'm running into all of you now in this.

2:51:52BubblemanYes, I saw Caitlin and Dawn yesterday.

2:51:53SpeakerI think it was yesterday at La Colada.

2:52:01BubblemanFriday. It was the day before. Yeah, Friday. There you go. Now we're getting it. Very good. So you like in that club over there?

2:52:12SpeakerThis has been a really good place. The heart here is wild. Can you see this picture behind us? It is beautiful. It's really, really great.

2:52:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIs that La Gracia? La Crem Gracia?

2:52:26SpeakerYes. Yes, it is. Yeah.

2:52:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI like that place. And did you meet Edu?

2:52:32SpeakerWe just got here.

2:52:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm not exactly sure who all these folks are yet, but we're meeting a couple of them. I will ask.

2:52:43SpeakerI sat down over there in the corner and I heard Etienne talking and recognized his voice and had to come say hello. What a chance. That's pretty cool.

2:52:52BubblemanReally awesome. Yeah, that's another box.

2:52:55SpeakerI never thought I'd check off my list. Right. Checked. Yeah.

2:53:10SpeakerYeah, well, I don't want to take up too much of your guys' time. I'm not sure where you're at. I don't want to cut her out. So maybe I'll pass it back to you guys again. But great to see you all, everyone. Have a great day.

2:53:31BubblemanI saw you today when I was leaving the event. I've known Adu for about 11 or 12 years, and I think it was about 10 or 11 years ago, I made hash with him at the HQ headquarters. Hemp Headquarters, David's Place. The picture shows up every once in a while. Jibs was out here from Trichome Heavy Extracts, and Edu was there, Jibs was there, I was there, and I can't remember who the fourth person was, but yeah, just a bunch of hashmakers.

2:54:05BubblemanHQ, the club was very new at that time, which now it's obviously celebrating its 10th or 11th anniversary recently, but... Oh, how time flies. I will say, oh, how time flies.

2:54:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt really does. Did you talk about Spanibus not being here next year already?

2:54:26BubblemanA little bit. I tapped into it in the sense of being like, oh, it could be a bummer. It could be Could be a gift. Really could go either way. I'll always miss Barcelona. Keep in mind, you don't only have to come to Barcelona during Spanibus, although it is a wonderful time for our community. It's certainly a lovely enough city that you can come here anytime with your friends or family and enjoy yourself.

2:54:51SpeakerI'm bummed. I've never been. I was like, just last week, I was getting the real fear of missing out thing. I was like, oh no, it's the last year I've never been. And then Amsterdam, the thing for David, I really, so I was on the fence just the other day. I was like, maybe I'm going to buy a ticket. Maybe I'm not, but yeah, I probably won't make it, but I really, I'll see you there.

2:55:12BubblemanMaybe I won't.

2:55:14SpeakerYeah, I know. I was like, I was, you know, and, and obviously if, if, uh, yeah. If I, if I could, if Rob was going to be there, I would definitely make it because it's just too much, but it's, it's the timing's not good, but I really, Spanibus crept up every year. Spanibus creeps up. It's been one of those like ongoing decade long, like next year. And there's always a reason, but there wasn't a real strong reason for me to go other than to be with you guys and hang out.

2:55:41SpeakerSo I figured next time that happens is what I'll try to do, whether there's a whole event going on. So.

2:55:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe had a really fun night last night and with Ryan Lee and Dennis who made the homegrown tent, who created the homegrown tent. So basically like created the first tent. And the grow tent for houses and out of Germany. And we had this, you know, just a really sweet night. And we got to smoke some of Skunk Man's, you know, last hash out of his cart and stuff.

2:56:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI know Marcus has taken some smokes out of it and stuff. And Kelly and I both got to have some smokes out of it. And it was super powerful and really amazing. I mean, you know, just having, you know, his machine in your hand. And taking hits off it and everything was very special last night. So definitely thankful for that. It's been really nice hanging out with everyone and having little bits of, you know, kind of intimacy or time, you know, away from everything and just cruising through the city.

2:56:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it is really magical here. And we've really enjoyed our time with people here. So that was magical. Taking some hits out.

2:57:01BubblemanI got to spend a couple of days with Josh and Kelly over at their apartment. I spent two nights with them and we had a pretty good time. It took me about, I want to say like, like maybe two hours before I lost the set of keys to their apartment.

2:57:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI still think it's going to be like, okay, I haven't heard anything yet. So no, none is as good. But it's like this old world 1800s key. I mean, who knows? Just kidding. But you've had a great time.

2:57:32BubblemanOh, man, I still don't know. It's because I'm on a motorcycle and I'm packing everything in pockets. And I think what I did was I put the key In my front chest pocket, I didn't zipper it up, but then like riding to the ego clash on the highway, you know, going 110 or 20, I think it like blew it out of my pocket, but I just didn't perceive it because I had the full face helmet on.

2:57:55BubblemanSo.

2:57:59SpeakerWell, it's been great.

2:58:00BubblemanYeah. No, go ahead. I saw those guys today.

2:58:10BubblemanYeah.

2:58:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBendo, Mikey, and Higher Ground, Johnny, and Happy Dreams, and a lot of those crew out here, you know, bringing genetics and talking about, you know, the farmers and everything, hanging out with Johnny and Rose. You know, so it's been really nice kind of seeing some of the family out here and getting to meet everyone who's out here as well.

2:58:41BubblemanYeah, it's pretty bloody good. I'm really looking forward to going to Amsterdam though and see Diana and I'm going to fly with Ryan Lee tomorrow from Barcelona. So that'll be fun little adventure for us to go on together and tell some dating stories on our way to Amsterdam. I'm going to go see Jair, maybe do some tours. I might tour Canada facility and I might green hunt with Jair and see how it goes.

2:59:09BubblemanI only asked them a minute, but those are kind of the things I'm looking to do. Of course, I'll rent a bike and pedal through Vondelpark, something I always like to do, pull over into a corner and suck back a couple of dollars and just... I know Mojave's definitely spent time in Bondle Park, but you just see the craziest shit that you could ever see. If you spent enough time in that park, you saw some crazy shit.

2:59:40SpeakerYeah. And little pockets too. You find like these little pockets of weirdness going on like over in the little area where like little, hey, I think there's a little cult thing going on over there. And those guys are definitely tripping on acid. And these guys are just, but why are all these kids everywhere?

2:59:57BubblemanIt's like there's such a beautiful mixture, beautiful mixture of culture. It really is, man. Oh my goodness. And I'm going to go see, I'm going to go to my, I'm praying. But my favorite pizzeria, which is right next to the Queen's Palace in Dam Square, on the side that's sort of, if you're standing in Dam Square looking at the palace, it's on the left side, the way you would go towards the Albert Heim.

3:00:21BubblemanYeah, yeah, I think I know that place. There's a little pizzeria right there. Oh, man, it's fucking good, man. Italian, real Italian folks, and they've had it. It was there for at least 25 years. I'm hoping that it's been about five years since I've been back, so...

3:00:38SpeakerIt's been a while. I miss the place. I haven't been since 2018.

3:00:44SpeakerYeah. Hey, I got to go. I got to go. But I want to show you guys this plant that I first showed you many, many months ago. I don't know if you remember it. I showed you that weird mosaic bleached mutant that I cloned. Well, I have it. I have moms of all of green ones and purple, white ones and mosaic one, different ones. But this is the actual plant and it's like really old and it's been flowering and it's March here and cold and all that stuff.

3:01:13SpeakerBut let me see if I can get my phone on because it is so fucking trippy. I think you guys will enjoy it just for a second. Okay. Did that work? Oh, yeah, cool. Check it out. Oh, wow.

3:01:38SpeakerDamn. Isn't that a trip?

3:01:41BubblemanLook at that, eh?

3:01:41SpeakerJust a little one. Look at those trichome tacos.

3:01:44BubblemanLook at that. I would love to photograph that with my macro lens, dude. That would be just beautiful.

3:01:51SpeakerIt's really far out. And this is, I mean, literally, it's been rainy and cold. But look, you can see, here's the all green. What? I can't do this with my, I'm sorry. We see it. So there's all the all green and purple. And then this side is the sport where the, I mean, this is the section where the sport came off and some of them are very white.

3:02:15SpeakerAnd then some of them are more mixed green. And the cool thing is like depending on what portion you take the next round of clones from, that's the level of variegation and mosaic you get.

3:02:33SpeakerIt's super weird, but the cool thing, Marcus, is there's an aroma difference, a clear, clear aroma difference between the... Really? Yeah, because it's chlorophyll. There's like, there's so much chlorophyll in this green stuff. And this is a Cambodian variety from Mel Frank. And there's so much chlorophyll in it. And it's kind of grassy smelling old school landrace weed, right? It's got that peppery, grassy kind of spiciness to it.

3:03:04SpeakerBut then you go over to the bleached ones and you can just, you can smell the muted chlorophyll. And it's got a little bit more of a berry like smell to it. Like the fruit comes out just a little bit more. So anyway, I don't know how it would work in terms of like flowering. I'm trying, I'm going to, I'm trialing it indoors, say in a couple of places just to see how it outgrows or doesn't outgrow the mosaic or variegation.

3:03:35SpeakerBecause like each plant has the potential to go back to green or back to white or mixed. And I've been learning, I've been kind of trying to learn about this and apparently that's how they do it with a lot of houseplants and stuff that have that same mosaic thing is like, If you've ever bought like, you know, philodendron or something like that, that have that mosaic structure to it, it might not be a heritable trait that they're just like, oh, we plant these seeds and get it every time.

3:04:05SpeakerIt could be a clonal trait where it's like you select a mother plant that has the majority of the right variegation or mosaic that you want. Anyway, that being said, I get super excited about this shit just because it's like something new and different. We're all just the whole cookie cutter, cut and paste world everyone's in now. I'm like, dude, can't we just do fun, exciting, weird shit?

3:04:26BubblemanLet's do weird shit. I'm telling you, that plant right there, especially that clone, you could definitely... You could monetize that by growing it both outside the way you are now, but also growing it indoors and making it picture perfect. And then inviting macro photographers to come in to shoot it. Like surface area and beer goggles and all of these high-end macro photography. Because I can tell you from looking at that, it'll be something nobody else has been photographing.

3:05:00BubblemanIt'll look completely fucking different. So different. With those color variations and backgrounds that that will be what we call in the business a money shot.

3:05:13SpeakerYeah. Hey, you know what? I could tell you stories about that term, by the way. I'm from California, from the Valley. I had very close friends in the money shop business way back in the 70s. But anyway, that's another story. The messed up part is that there was all white plants that sported out too. And I tried to clone them, but there's the absence of chlorophyll, they just wouldn't root.

3:05:43SpeakerBut they were flowering. Right. So, and if I T seeded or something like that, like in culture, you could have got that to root. But the crazy thing is on the first mutation, you had every degree from green to green and white to green and purple to purple, white and green to all white and all white and purple. So you had flower that was just completely white with no green on it.

3:06:06SpeakerAnd the smell and the taste was totally different. Right. And here's the crazy thing that adds the element of, to me, that makes it exciting is that before this mutated and did this thing, because it happened on a clone, I already loved this flower. It's really nice to smoke. It's like a really nice, comfortable, soaring, but not racy effect. And it came from Jim Goodwin. So it's like, it's such a cool plant.

3:06:35SpeakerI'm like, this is like, like you said, it's like a house plant. It's like, this is something you just want to hang around with. So anyway, I'll follow up with you guys on subsequent, you know, calls and I'll show as I get like actual flower that is finished and stuff like that. Yeah, it'll be fun. That's awesome. For sure. Anyway, guys. Cambodian Mel Frank.

3:07:00BubblemanI know. Thanks. Thanks, Mom. Appreciate you. All right, guys. Be well.

3:07:09BubblemanI am thinking I'm going to cut it a little short today because it's getting late. I haven't eaten. I got some responsibilities before flying home tomorrow. But I want to thank everyone for coming out. It was awesome to have you, Craig, and share with you with us as always. Really appreciate what you're doing over there. And I do see a day one day where I will have my brand in California and I'll come to you and pre-buy some of your flour to do a skew or two.

3:07:37BubblemanColin, appreciate you as well, brother. Thanks for coming out, always holding it down, as well as ATN down at the new spot, La Clem Gracie. Thanks to Archive and Best Friend, Brian. Oh, give a shout out, please.

3:07:51Etienne FontanYeah, I want to give it out to Stefan here from La Clem Gracie. It's absolutely wonderful. Thank you for your hospitality here in Barcelona. And the Cannabis Embassy crew, thank you for everybody and their hospitality. And I'll give more of an update. We want to do a, in the future, a hash virtual cannabis embassy folks. So thank you everybody for your love and support. I did do that speech at the UN that I did last week and I did it with the plant.

3:08:22Etienne FontanSo that was very successful.

3:08:28BubblemanAll right. That was Sean. Sean and Dan just came in. As I'm saying goodbye, Dan's coming into Puff Bowls. He's got the rosin and I've got the lungs. So. Thanks everyone for coming in. Josh, we'll see you maybe later tonight. And thanks everyone for watching. Big shout out to you guys. And oh, I would be remiss if I didn't say a shout out to Bubble Bags and Puffco.

3:08:56BubblemanFor those of you who might be interested in B2B bubble bag sales from Nepal direct to your country, give me a shout out bcbubbleman at icloud.com. And shout out to Puffco, puffco.com. And shout out to Chelsea and Jolly Roger over there. And yeah, just thanks for everyone watching Hatch Church once again. And I think we got about three or four hundred people watching live. Bingo Lombardi holding it down as always.

3:09:21BubblemanAnd we'll see you next week. I'll be back in Canada and I'll let you guys know how Dave's celebration of life went. Thanks everybody. Appreciate you all. We'll see you next time.

3:09:33SpeakerLots of fun.