Canera Facility Tour and Craft Cannabis Scaling

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0:28BubblemanWe are in Lake Flynn. Welcome everybody. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good afternoon. For those of you that are on the East Coast, be sure. All right, had to start the recording. Welcome everyone, season 11, Hash Church episode 22. Where does the time go? Where does the time go? Well, as always, I would love to start off by shouting out our wonderful sponsors. So we're going to gear that up, pull up some logos and get this show started.

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4:34BubblemanWe don't say yes to every company. It is something that we curate. So please don't be offended if we don't see the fit. But if we do see the fit, we will certainly make it happen. And yeah, just give me a shout and we will Link up. Anyway, glad everyone is in the chat today. Wonderful to see. We've got, for those of you that are in the chat, oh yeah, Boro Josh, you're late, dude.

4:58BubblemanDon't worry, I started up the machine about 10 minutes ago. I believe Bingo Lombardi had your back. Yeah, so there's a new thing in chat today. It's showing the first, second, and third most posted people. I looked earlier, we had about 2,800 chats in the chat that had happened so far. And about six to 700 of them were from Bingo, OG, and John Maddock. So right on, guys.

5:24BubblemanYou guys are doing the good work, getting it done. And I appreciate that about you guys. So listen, for whatever reason, nobody else is in the room right now. Sometimes hash churches, people come late. Sometimes other things occur. So I'm on my own solo hash church. By the way, back in the day, I used to literally, this was my worst nightmare, starting hash church and having no one come in.

5:48BubblemanBut today I'm kind of stoked on it because I wanted to share a little bit about a trip that I took recently with you guys. Now you remember when we had Kat and the team from Canna sponsor hash church some months back, maybe a month and a half now back. It was the Canna episode. But really what it was, was I'm freaking out. It was really an opportunity for us to meet the good folks at Canara.

6:18BubblemanI thought that was really cool of Canna. When they sponsored the show, if you remember, nobody came on from Canna. What they wanted to do instead was showcase one of the groups they'd been working with here in Canada very, very closely. And instead of really doing this sort of shameless plugging, Canada has a very deep understanding. The whole reason they sponsored Hash Church in the first place was not for return on investment, but to show their support of the Hash Church community.

6:49BubblemanSo I love that about them. They're super good folks. And so they hooked us up with Canara. And of course, if you remember, Issam came on. He was the agronomist for the company. And then we also had Justin Conway, who was the PhD chemist for the company. So really, really cool guys. I ended up being invited out there, you know, just recently. I was there last week.

7:16BubblemanAnd let me tell you, I'm sure some of you saw a little bit of it on social media. It was absolutely mind blowing. I have never seen a facility this big be this dialed in for the plants to be as healthy as they were. For the quality of the resin to be as high quality of the resin as it was, it really just blew my mind all the way through.

7:41BubblemanSo I figured we would show some pictures today and just share a little bit of my experience that I had while I was there. So let me just, I might even show some of the orcas or sorry, the humpback whales that were jumping yesterday. So the first part of the facility is of course, In Farnham, it's their smaller facility. They kept saying, oh, this is our Mickey Mouse facility.

8:05BubblemanAnd I was just like, what are you talking about, Mickey Mouse? Like, this is an absolutely incredible facility is what it is. So we'll make sure that I have it all going on here. Make sure that it's showing properly. So this is just me getting ready for the tour. Let me just see if I can. There we go. I'm a little bit behind on the video, so I want to make sure the video is sharing.

8:32BubblemanCan you guys see that? Because it's just showing me right now. So there's a little bit of a one minute delay. I just want to make sure. Yes, there it is. So you can see it. So we'll go through these pretty quick. This is Canara Biotech. So we're going to go through this. This is their new room. You can see Reservoir 1, 2, and 3. I was impressed with the piping on the side of the wall here.

8:59BubblemanI thought it was absolutely perfect. I love seeing things that remind me of how OCD someone is. You can kind of see these little sensor units that he has on the little rolling table. So I guess The owner of the company has a real smart brother and he does code and he wrote all this code to do. It's an incredible amount of data aggregation. Not liking taking pictures without my Method 7s with HPS lights.

9:29BubblemanSo luckily there was some LED lights that gave, just give you an idea of the rooms. These are their much smaller rooms. I think they're maybe a thousand square feet. Nice even canopy. Really just nice plants. Everywhere I went, I saw nice plants. I was impressed with the mothers. I'm going to whip through these orange ones because I hate the shots. Here's mothers on the far left here.

9:51BubblemanSo real nice, big, happy mothers. That's Charles on the left, as well as Nico just next to him. So Charles is the bald guy. Nico has the piece on his head there. And these guys, Charles has taken clones. I was really impressed. First of all, Nico is beyond impressive. He helps run this entire facility with Zohar. He is the CFO and he's very much responsible for bringing new products to light at the facility.

10:22BubblemanYou can just see everything is clean. Every room we went into was just clean, clean, clean. And I got a lot of hate from people who were like the living soil community, who were upset about the rock wool. I will be honest, the grow was exceptional. And of course, I love living soil. And of course, I love organic production, but I can't not be impressed. By the utter and complete impressiveness that this facility held.

10:52BubblemanThis is their clone room where he's taking, I think he said 10,000 to 20,000 clones a week or so. So a fair amount, if you can imagine. Nice healthy plants. I was really impressed with the clones. I'm sure I've shown this video already, but I'm going to show it again. Because it's just, you know, this, this, it's nice to see people executing like properly and effectively. And the fact that I saw no bugs and no pests and no mildews of any kind on these clones, these clones were flawed.

11:34BubblemanThere was no little things flying or in fact, I didn't see a bug in the entire facility. I did not see a bug in this entire facility. It really, Was fairly mind blowing. I'm not going to lie. And I'm not sure if anyone has come into the room right now because I can't really see to let people in. So I guess I should maybe check to see.

12:01BubblemanOh, I think we're good. I think it's just me still. I think it's just me still. Yes, it is just me still. Perfect. All right. So there's the clones. I want to make sure I pay attention so that if the homies come in, I'm actually letting them. Oh, nice, Robanero. 5,000 clones. That's good. Yeah, I think they do 20,000 in five days. 10 to 20,000 for five days.

12:21BubblemanAnd we'll get to why they do that. Some of the pre-roll joints that were being rolled, I was impressed with the focal point, the focus. This was super dank bud that was just sitting on one of the tables. I remember Nico going, holy shit, that's really nice bud. I was impressed with the quality. This is the process of the pre-rolled joint machine. Very impressed with their tribal joints.

12:48BubblemanNow, I don't smoke joints, but I just thought these looked exceptional with the black ceramic tips. I think they're dipped in diamonds. They're an infused joint of some sort. You can check out the brand Tribal from Canara Biotech. Their other brand is Nuggs, which does all the really nice oils. Rosins and whatnot. They do some beautiful temple balls. I mean, really, really proper, proper production at this place.

13:17BubblemanI was completely, completely impressed. Beautiful, beautiful temple balls. And here's some that didn't make the cut. So those end up going off to a different type of hash. Yeah, they were doing all sorts of beautiful, beautiful production on wraps that I was super impressed with. All in all, this company kind of blew my mind. The cleanliness and the professionalness of everything they did. They did old school hanging of their plants, which I was like, fuck, yeah.

13:51BubblemanSo stoked on the old school of the plants. I thought that was super cool. And yeah, just I think that's most of the one facility. We might have a little bit more. Here's their tuna cans. Okay, actually, the tuna cans impressed me. So I met their hash maker. One of their BHO makers was Freddy, real intelligent guy, had a master's in something or other, really focused. So these are tuna cans that they do.

14:19BubblemanAnd why I was impressed with this tuna can bud was it was really, really nice. And I was impressed. With the quality of the flour that went into it. I'm telling you, any of you would have been impressed to get an eighth like this. And these eight sell for $25 an eighth retail, which means the company is it's not nitrogen. Actually, they're not doing N2 pack nitrogen sealed dirty.

14:47BubblemanThey found that there was no real benefit from them and they did the R&D on it. But yeah, there's some trim, there's some flour in their vault, you know, 100 kgs in each one. This was my favorite room. This was the room where he was doing pietella. He had really nice hash that he was letting cake out just in a very, very small, small jar. This thing was out at room temperature.

15:13BubblemanThis is some of his pietella. So really, really nice Piatella. There's the ospreys that they had going in their hash room, a couple of hashtags that they had going for dry sift, and really, really, really lovely temple balls. And that is the one facility. Now I will say, we should probably share as well the Potency and the quality of the hash. So this was one of the hashes they brought over for me to try.

15:45BubblemanYeah, they have live carts that are super popular. This company is doing it in the most impressive way I have seen yet. Truly, truly quality resin. This rosin I have here today. So we will be smoking on some of that. I can't even remember the cultivar, but I was impressed with these guys to say the least. You know, really, really, really impressed. I don't want to accidentally share my friends inside his house because I'm sure he probably wouldn't appreciate that.

16:18BubblemanSo we will go to the next facility. Unless someone has popped in yet. No, no one's popped in yet. This is just a bubble man church. You guys are liking it. We're going to hit some balls after this. Some dabs and some temples. Let's see what we got. So we're going to go share here. Here we go. This is the Valley Field Production Facility. These are the brands right here.

16:46BubblemanThey do the bubble up. Yes, BC Tricone Farmer. Good call on the bubble up. This one I don't believe was the bubble up. That resin, that bubble hash might have been the bubble up. Good call on recognizing the name. Another one they had that was very popular was something links. I can't remember what it was called, but we'll get it on. So Here's their res room of the big room.

17:12BubblemanYou can see these are like, this room is beyond dialed. Okay, I'm talking super duper dialed. One of the things that Justin mentioned, this is where they mix the nutrients in the middle of the room. So these are all the ABCs. One of the things that Justin, the PhD scientist, chemist said was that You know, Kenna is a wonderful company to work with because they allow him to, they work with him to customize the nutrients.

17:40BubblemanCuban Lynx. Thank you, Ethan Shorts. That Cuban Lynx was incredible. You can see this room is just absolutely dialed and beyond clean. It looks, you could eat off the floor of this room. And in the back here, they've got these, I don't know if these are 100,000 liters or 100,000 gallons, but they are monsters. Just perfect filtration. Everything dialed and just looking so clean. Thank you, Chuck.

18:06BubblemanI was impressed if I have not already gotten that off the... So here's some empty space where they still have the ability to build. And this goes into their rooftop greenhouse, if you can imagine. Is someone at my door? Yeah, rooftop greenhouse here. Which was just mind-blowing. The warmth in this room, the size of it, I didn't even find out exactly how big it was, but it was, it had to be hundreds of thousands of square feet, this greenhouse.

18:40BubblemanIt was absolutely astonishing how big it was. Yeah, there's Justin right there who came on the show a couple of months ago, about a month and a half ago. And just, I mean, that puts a smile on your face being in a facility like this. It was just so beautiful. This is outside where they have their reservoir. And now we're getting into the super duper cleanliness. Now, this is a giant long hallway.

19:07BubblemanIt seemed like it was a kilometer long. I'm not even going to joke. I will wait for this to catch up a little bit. It seemed like it was literally a mile long. And you can see right in the center of the room, you have this, you know, I don't even know what to call it. I guess basically what it's for is it's like a conveyor belt.

19:30BubblemanIt is a conveyor belt, but it's built, it stays there. And if you look on the side of each room, You will see, let me see if Etienne is trying to get into the room. Is anyone, no, no one's trying to get into the room. All right. Well, it's still just me on Hash Church. 18 minutes in and my entire panel hasn't shown up. That's fine. I'm fine.

19:53BubblemanSo here we go. So this is the, how they get the plants in and out of the room. This thing is for the plants and the tables. To slide out from the room onto here so they can be harvested in the middle of the room by all the employees so they don't have to harvest inside the room. So I'd never seen anything like it. You can see right here.

20:17BubblemanSo he's got 25,000 square feet. 25,000 square feet is in this room. He's talking right now in my ear.

20:34BubblemanOh my God, I'd love to fly a drone over this thing. So this is, you can see the pipes at the edge of the tables. And he's going to kind of show a little bit. I don't know if this is the video where he shows it, but he's got HPS and he's got LED lights in here. So he's getting this really full, full spectrum. Out of this unit.

20:59BubblemanSo really nice looking plants. I was impressed with the canopy. I was impressed with obviously the cleanliness and the resin production. The leaves were tacoing on a lot of these plants. And yeah, it just you couldn't help but smile. And I know a lot of people when I posted some of these photos were They kind of got a little offended. They got a little upset. And, you know, sometimes the living soil folks are a little upset at these larger places.

21:26BubblemanAnd sometimes these larger paces, 99 out of 100, they don't produce what I would call really nice resin. You know, this is under the tables where they have these air bags that blow out a nice clean air and keep the plants from molding or getting stuffy. So yeah, just an impressive facility. I thought the resin production on the plants was on point.

21:57BubblemanOh, nice, John Maddox. Nice to hear you're puffing on the hash sticks. I love that. So yeah, I was just really impressed with with just the absolute beauty of the of the flower, the rooms. This is one room. Okay, let me just pull this back for a second. This is one room that Canara does, and they have 12 of these rooms, and they have 12 more coming in that they can fill.

22:23BubblemanSo it's something else when you really think about it. Here's the Cuban Lynx. So these are the Cuban Lynx plants. I saw skunk number one immediately. That's what I saw. This just looks like a skunk number one. It was Cuban Lynx, so it doesn't have the skunk flavor. It's very much So it's kind of hazy almost like terpenylene rich, but it definitely has the skunk structure. I would doubt that anyone would say that this doesn't look exactly like Skunk Man Sam's skunk number one.

22:57BubblemanSo it kind of brought a tear to my eye when I was in the facility. It was also impressive that the yields, I looked at this plant right away. I said the yields must be twice of what any other yield is. And they said, yeah, absolutely. The Cuban links comes in hard. It was just beautiful resin. Really, really nice looking resin on these plants. Cuban Lynx. Here's a little Cuban Lynx video for you.

23:23BubblemanTotally insane. You know, the plants are so healthy. Look at that resin production. Christian Bureau, you've picked the right one.

23:37BubblemanYeah, what I'm saying on the video right now is a lot of people have excuses that you can't scale cannabis growing. You can't grow weed on a larger scale and make it quality. Well, I'm sorry to say, but this is quality weed, guys.

23:53BubblemanYeah. High terpene production right here. There we go. I will say that... Yeah, it was just impressive production. I was right away wanted to play with the resin and see what I could see what I could make happen. You can see the plants are extremely tall. Justin's probably close to six feet tall. So these plants are 10 to 12 feet tall in this production area. There's Nico and myself giving it the two thumbs up.

24:31BubblemanHow can you not give it the two thumbs up? These guys are so happy. To go to work every day. Yes, the roof is blackout and solar. So the roof is glass. You can see in this room where they're cleaning, they've blacked out the room. But this is one of the rooms that is going to be taken down. And so all of the plants go on these conveyor belts.

24:52BubblemanYou can see in the back end here on this conveyor belt right here. This is how the table gets out of the room. It goes right out the room on that conveyor belt. Which you got to admit is so cool. That is just one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I'm sorry, I've taken so many pictures. I'm going through some of them a little faster. But I figured it would be a fun little thing to... Oh, is someone joining now?

25:21BubblemanNo, it's still just me. It's still just me. Or maybe ATN or Dr. Mark or someone else will pop in. So here we go.

25:32BubblemanEven canopies, you know, like just beautiful, beautiful canopies. They've got different cultivars in here, but they've just got beautiful, beautiful canopies. Oh yeah, very cool. Some big fatty nugs on here. This shows the blackout room. So this is a dark room that we've opened up. You can see the roof blacked out. More resin, chunky, chunky resin. Flowering up with some freshies. Here's a room that's getting ready to get popped up.

26:05BubblemanThis is their electrical. Got a beautiful electrical system. And yeah, just more epic beauty. Here's some socks that they have for their BHO lab. And these are the reefer trucks. So they're in here bucking and trimming fresh frozen. And then they've got all of these reefer trucks that they fill up with their fresh frozen. So you can see here, Nico walks me through one of these reefer trucks.

26:35BubblemanI don't know what's in here. It must be 10 or 20 or 30,000 pounds of fresh frozen or kilos for that matter. But you can see it's all prepackaged in socks. This is a fresh frozen BHO reefer truck. So you can see the socks and you can see it just goes. Right to the end of the 50 foot reefer truck. Bang, boom, bang, 300 kilos, 400 kilos, 300 kilos.

27:02BubblemanIt's right in the middle of the room. Another, you know, 2000, maybe a ton of trim sitting in there getting ready to go. Every inch of this place was so bloody professional. It was unbelievable. Back up to the greenhouse. Yes, I love the greenhouse. I think, uh, I think that might be most of it. Yeah, that was it. There was just really a few other things. Well, I'm happy to have walked you guys all through that.

27:31BubblemanHow exciting is that? Did that not impress you? Because I'm telling you, from a guy who walked through it, it absolutely blew my mind. Truly blew my mind. So let me get some of my panelists in here. Not that I can't talk. I can talk. I can talk for the next four hours by myself. That would be no fun. You guys want to hear. You guys want to hear the panelists.

27:59BubblemanSo we'll send out this invite to a few folks. I did send the invite out to our dear friend Soma. And we're hoping that Soma is going to come see us in here today. We've got, I pulled that out, but I should still have another. Oh, there it is right there. There we go. Let's see if Mr. Soames is going to come in.

28:24SpeakerWe are ready for you, brother.

28:27BubblemanYes, RIP to Skunk Man Sam, because you know Skunk Man Sam, if he didn't show up in the first few minutes, he probably wasn't showing up for church that day. And that's the way I always sort of felt with Sam. If I didn't see him in the first 15 minutes, he was probably going to miss it. But well, why don't we have a dab? I've got a little bit of the rosin from Camara.

28:53BubblemanYou can see the quality of this resin. Like there's no faking quality. I know that a lot of people don't want it to be so and they're haters and they're like, ah, that's just a big production facility. Let me tell you, that fucking facility is the greatest facility I have ever visited hands down in my entire life. Those guys deserve all the success that they're getting. And let me tell you something that I haven't even mentioned.

29:21BubblemanThe culture is of their um facility of their company was some of the most positive culture i've ever been around in a cannabis company it really i i don't know how to say enough about it and i know i'm blowing a ton of smoke up these guys's asses but they Completely impressed me. The sensory group, the sensory scientist group, right? They got a bunch of young guys.

29:50BubblemanThey go over weekly to the chemist, to Justin's place. He's got a beautiful place on the river. And they sit down there and they puff. And let me tell you, These guys were puffing. They were puffing in a way that I've never seen anyone puff from a facility like that. Nothing of this facility, when you see it, can be assumed to be what it normally is. First of all, the CEO, the owner, the master grower, in fact, Zohar, completely impressed me as well.

30:22BubblemanHe understood every corner of this facility. There was nothing in the facility that he didn't have a deep understanding of. He understood everything. All of the processes like he could have sat with Dr. Mark and talked chemistry, talked about the butane process, talked about how they extract, how they're moving one of the You know, all of these different things, it just blew me away. The water extraction, the SOPs for the hash balls was his.

30:49BubblemanHe was very different in the sense that most CEOs for companies like that would come in on day one, they would do a photo shoot in the lab, in the grow, and then they would never visit those places again. I am growing hockey hair, yes. This is my hockey hair, Chuck. We're rooting for the Edmonton Oilers against the Florida Panthers for the Stanley Cup playoffs. Yes, I am.

31:10BubblemanBut anyway, shout out to the Canara guys. I'm going to rip a dab right now. In fact, I better organize my banger because it's not quite ready. Let's get that in there. So we're going to need a few more minutes before we hit this dab. Because I gots to clean the banger. I've got to clean the banger. We can agree, though, at that size, it's a business and we know how that goes.

31:36BubblemanI don't know, Foul Bundy. I can't say that I did know how it goes. You know, all I knew was, you know, when I met the butane maker, Freddie, one of the butane hash guys, he was telling me that he found the company by buying the tuna can tins with that flour in it. And for 25 bucks Canadian retail, that's about 18 to $20 US for an eighth retail, meaning the company itself must be selling it at like, I'm being honest, foul Bundy, I was there and you were not.

32:08BubblemanSo you can make assumptions all you want based on what you have seen. But for me, I got to see something different. And it blew my mind. These these folks are They're unique in the cannabis industry. And I should have known that because Kat, who is an absolutely amazing friend from Canna, she was the one that introduced us to those guys. And I remember when Justin and Assam came on and the things they were saying also impressed me in a great deal.

32:37BubblemanJust the way they were talking about, you know, when Assam was like, one of the first things I did when I came into the facility was, I wanted to see if we could eliminate irradiating flower. Well, that's not something a large company would ever consider doing because that becomes a vector for you to lose fairly large amounts of revenue. Welcome, Dr. Mark. How are you doing today?

33:04Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, Marcus. So is it funny? I came in just as you called for me, right? That's awesome, dude. Right? You're like, oh, you can even talk with Dr. Mark. It's like, wow.

33:17BubblemanWell, and this is a CEO, dude. I mean, you're a chemist. How often does the CEO impress you of companies? Be honest. In a chemistry way, in a chemistry way.

33:27Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, are you talking about a chemistry company or are you talking about a cannabis company?

33:32BubblemanI'm talking about a cannabis company who has a CEO who can impress the growers, who can impress the hash makers, who can impress the chemist. I've just never come across it. I truly haven't.

33:44Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, it's refreshing when you see that level of competence at the CEO level because now, you know, I mean, like when you're, when you get, When you get training as a scientist, well, you learn to be skeptical and you learn to, you know, treat information that's brought to you, especially when, you know, you're in a structure where everybody reports to you, right? So every, you know, people, some CEOs surround themselves with the proverbial yes men, right?

34:18Dr Mark ScialdonePeople who just say yes all the time. And it's important for, you know, CEOs to be able to understand The information that they're given and be able to act on it in a way that's responsible to the shareholders of the company or whatever, the people who own the place. I mean, that's one of the reasons markets I take very seriously you know like when i consult with people and i'm basically spending other people's money it's like yeah my scientific reputation is on everything that i say and everything i do recommend and tell them and you know what's really cool marcus is like when when you get a ceo who's not who doesn't have the scientific acumen But you could tell that their leadership quality allows them to express the humility that they need to have to lower themselves to be able to learn.

35:15Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause yeah, some CEOs or some people at that level, I shouldn't just pick on CEOs, just C-suite people, right? Like CFOs, CSOs, CEOs, COOs, you know, all those C people. It's important for them to basically enable their workforce to get the job done, to get products sold, get it out the door, you know, do what they need to do. Boy, I was looking at, I was watching the show when you started and I was looking at the The picture is super impressive.

35:51Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd you know that when you see a facility like that, that there's serious dollars behind it, right? I mean, it's like, You don't snap your fingers and that happens, right? You have a plan and you're executing on a plan. And when you're talking about immobilizing that scale of facility and workforce, a lot of people are depending on that as a job or as a revenue generator. And Yeah, I mean, it looked super impressive.

36:23Dr Mark ScialdoneJust my quick, you know, just looking at your thing before I joined.

36:28BubblemanYou should definitely go visit them, Dr. Mark. You're not overly far away. Justin invited you.

36:33Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's in Quebec, like about 30 or 40 minutes from Montreal. Okay, so from the Vermont state line, it would be probably like, what, like an hour or something?

36:45BubblemanI'm not sure exactly, but even if it was five hours, I would definitely go because you got an open invitation from the chemist there, Justin Conway.

36:53Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, awesome.

36:54BubblemanWell, yeah, he he invited you on the show when we were when we did the show with them. So that was a couple of months ago. But, you know, one of the things I wanted to say about the size as well, because a lot of people, you know, one of the first people I ever met who agreed with me that scaling doesn't have to mean Lowering of quality and purity was of course Skunk Man Sam.

37:18BubblemanSkunk Man Sam always told me I could grow the highest quality. He's like, I don't even need a greenhouse. I could do it in a field. I can grow exceptional quality cannabis in a field on a large scale. And people just did not want to hear that. And the same thing with when I started bubble bags, I made the five gallon bags. Well, when I made 20 gallon bags, which were actually 32 gallon bags, people were terrified of them.

37:40BubblemanAnd lots of people still ran five, five gallon sets instead of a 32 gallon set. And it was probably Space and Corpy in California, the Bazaar Brothers, who were one of the first to scale it up to like a hundred gallon, you know, the linear actuator that was like four and a half, five feet long and that whole process. And before they were doing that, you know, people just thought, well, if you go bigger right away, you're going to contaminate, you're going to do this because they were not understanding that scale was Just involves a slight tweaking of your variables in whatever it is that you're doing.

38:19BubblemanAnd sometimes that slight tweaking can become a major tweaking if you're going from a tent to 12,000 lights, which is what that facility was that I just shared. That was 12 rooms with a thousand lights in each room with 12 empty rooms ready to put a thousand lights in each room. With what I'm guessing was a six to 700,000 square foot rooftop greenhouse, which let me tell you, dude, when I went into that greenhouse upstairs and Justin was like, oh, I want to convince them to do living soil up here.

38:48BubblemanI was just like, these guys are the fucking winners. They are the fucking... Dude, I'm telling you, like they've got this... I just... Cannot express the level of impressed that I was and am from going over to this place. You know, like, yeah, it's the biggest salt newt factory I've ever seen in my life. Yet the fucking resin was beautiful. I smoke. I'm smoking it right now.

39:15BubblemanI'm this is so loud and so nice. They work so closely with Canna that Canna actually customizes the fertilizer for them. So they have custom fertilization. But the idea of putting a living soil greenhouse like it and you I don't know if you saw the greenhouse Dutch but it was like I didn't see the greenhouse I saw most of it though it's huge it's the whole roof of the facility it's absolutely bonkers and I was there on kind of an overcast day it was cooking it was so warm and beautiful and perfect in that greenhouse dude I was just like Oh, I guess this is what envy feels like.

39:55BubblemanI'm not an envious person, like ever. But I was so fucking just envious sitting in that greenhouse upstairs. And I turned it into inspiration because that's what you got to do with envy. Envy and inspiration are one in the same vibe. One makes you feel bad. One inspires you. They both can get you. You know, well, one's not going to get you what you want and one's definitely going to get you to where you want.

40:14BubblemanBut yeah, dude.

40:17Dr Mark ScialdoneDid they build that building or was that building already there and it was something else before?

40:22BubblemanNo, listen, let me just tell you one more way these guys are winners. This is how they won. The Green Organic Dutchman, one of these cannabis billion dollar companies that was burning money to the ground, much like Tilray and Aurora and Canopy. The TGOD, they were called TGOD. The Green Organic Dutchman, okay? They built that facility for $280 million. Guess what the Kinera boys bought it for?

40:54Speaker1.2.

40:57Bubbleman27 million. Yeah. Yeah.

41:01Dr Mark ScialdoneSo what was it originally built to do?

41:04BubblemanTo grow weed. To grow weed, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To grow weed. So it's just... They started out winning. This company was winning from day one. They just didn't do stupid shit. And they just did. I would guarantee. Go ahead.

41:20SpeakerI was going to say the thing that people don't understand, like there is so much finger pointing. And this industry in the start of it, the last 10 years has been so fucking challenging, no matter what business, no matter what amount of money and for it all to come together. And for the original guy who designed like the original, every grower was already stepping up their game every fucking time, learning to grow.

41:44SpeakerIt was just challenging.

41:46Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're getting rules that don't apply, that are hard.

41:49SpeakerOver and over again, it becomes challenging. And when people are pushed, People often make bad choices. Like I do have some empathy. When I came into Washington as a medical producer, we were the first day we watched all these folks who weren't legacy cannabis people take over these rec licenses and we kind of didn't care for them. 10 years later, I'm a co-business owner with these folks and I'm looking at them and we're struggling together and they've been doing it for 10 years and I'm just like, oh, you're just regular people that are losing your shit too because this shit has been so challenging.

42:27SpeakerAnd so it's in every industry as there, I got the... opportunity to be a part of the snowboard industry as it was started right and so we had the same sort of shit happen companies would break off of larger companies like burton and start other companies with different technology and breakthrough and do things better you know rome was a really great example of that and the same thing's going to happen in our industry you know i'm glad you got to see this you know it's the people coming together the right amount of money the right amount of team leadership like the know-how everything you were saying marcus like That's fucking cool, you know?

43:04SpeakerWe want to see that, you know? We can't hear you. You're on mute.

43:08BubblemanI wish I could have brought Skunk Man Sam to this facility because Sam would have been completely and totally impressed with the facility and what they were growing. It's funny because Fal Bundy just goes, oh, at that size, quality goes out the window. I said, no, dude, I was there. I'm smoking the rosin right now.

43:26SpeakerYeah, we just haven't seen much of it because of all the all the fucking problems, you know, but it's going to happen. It's going to come on. There are more and more living soil grows coming on. There are more and more rosin companies coming on all the fucking time doing cool shit like quality is stepping up across the board in the in the US, you know, and I think I know I'm hearing that it is in Canada.

43:47SpeakerI haven't been there for a minute, but.

43:50Dr Mark ScialdoneDude, the Ross is so nice. Buying a $280 million building for $27 million is the score. Yeah. Right?

43:58SpeakerRight.

43:59Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, I think one of the challenges that, well, one of the challenges I've seen just down here, projects I've worked on is most cannabis companies don't have those kinds of deep pockets to, you know, put in that kind of money to build a facility. So often you're, you're retrofitting some other production facility. And it really, I think you guys would both agree. It really takes a lot of vision.

44:27Dr Mark ScialdoneAt the top of the company to like walk into like, I don't know, a tuna factory or something and say, oh man, I can grow weed here. You know, it's like you got to really understand everything from GMP level production to, you know, all the security countermeasures you have to take. I just remember always having headaches when it comes to Just upfitting buildings, just because a lot of weed is produced in buildings that probably shouldn't be producing weed.

45:06Dr Mark ScialdoneNow, for 280 million bucks, Marcus, I mean, that's, you know, the air handling in there must have been, you know, absolutely spot on, correct? And I would assume that, you know, like there was, you know, GMP, level like air showers that make sure that people going into production areas aren't you know bringing uh you know dirt and dander with them and like that but um did they have a like a tissue lab marcus dude they did have a tissue lab yeah imagine culture lab yeah they had listen dude they had a full understanding of everything i go into these places often disappointed i often see things that shock me

45:52BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

46:20BubblemanOf what quality resin is, and this is absolutely quality resin. In fact, I would compare it to some other really quality resin I'm about to smash here in a little bit, which is the new flavors from Sauce, from the Sauce Boys. Got myself a, what did I get? I got a grease bucket and a purple poison OG. These are craft, small size, like, Super quality rosins, like beautiful.

46:52BubblemanI smashed out six grams of these. And I'm absolutely telling you that this Canara hangs with it. They are both beautiful rosins. So that's, you know, that's a hard pill to swallow when your whole thing is like, oh, you can't grow quality weed. And I will say what these guys at Canara are doing is they are doing what every other company tried to do and failed. It can be done.

47:16BubblemanIt absolutely can be done. And just because a bunch of people failed at doing it and didn't execute it the right way. And in my opinion, they're doing a lot of the things that a lot of the big companies do. The only difference is they have this passion that's fueling the company that's beyond a bottom line of just trying to make money. And that I experienced 100%.

47:42BubblemanBig, big shout out. So I'll hit, I think I'll hit some of the sauce labs. I just hit a little bit of this. NSU. We'll hit some of this grease bucket because it's oh so yummy. How you doing, Adam?

47:57SpeakerFantastic. I mean, it's good to see you guys.

47:59BubblemanDude, are the dogs like 150 pounds now each? Is that what's going on?

48:04SpeakerThey're big. They're nine weeks. I'm putting together a little picture for the background here. Nice. Holy cow, they're doing great. We're looking for homes. I do want anyone who may be a capable caretaker to go to wolfmountainorganics.com to see the pups and get in touch with me because there seems to be a very big glut of puppies, spring puppies. So we have five of the nine litter left.

48:38SpeakerAnd I'm getting some pictures here. I'm going to go grab some of the pups. But you're right. Safe access to clean medicine. Holy cow. That is the game. Yeah, exactly.

48:51BubblemanClean medicine. That is the game, isn't it? And I think as I get older, this happened to me at one point in time with sort of how I perceived solvent extraction. I just was like, why? Why do I think, why do I divide? Why do I just do what you want, you know, promote what you want, but you don't have to like shit on something else that's going on.

49:19BubblemanAnd I see the cannabis community do it so strong. I was the worst, you know, when I was building up the bubble bags and smoking full melt only, I was just like looking down on, now I have envy. I envy people that smoke BHO and love it. I'm like, man, I wish I could enjoy that the way you do. I envy fucking Dutch smoking that joint right now.

49:38BubblemanI can't smoke a joint. It doesn't taste good to me. I ruined the experience. But it is something that I really do miss. And in fact, yesterday when Mark from Craft Greenery was over here and I had the little NIR unit from Ruben who came here and I was like, let's test some flowers. This will be fun. And I broke up a bud that was in my freezer for like, I don't even know how long because people leave bags of weed here and then I just never touch them.

50:05BubblemanSo they stay in my freezer for like years, like sometimes quarter pounds, half pounds. Anyway, there was a quarter pound in there and I pulled out a bud and I grounded up to do the NIR test and I smelt it. And it had like this old school Northern Lights back end of the haze smell. Not that sharp front end of the haze, but the sort of back end of the haze, that perfume smell.

50:31BubblemanAnd fuck, dude, I actually wanted to roll a joint and smoke it. Of course, I have no papers in my entire house and I probably wouldn't have smoked it. And if I did, it would have tasted like shit because I ruined that experience for myself. But I do envy... Watching people smoke joints and enjoy things that I can't enjoy. Instead of judging them and being like, they shouldn't be doing that because I don't do that.

50:56BubblemanWhere does that mentality come from? I only do this, so everyone should only do this.

51:02SpeakerYeah, we're creatures of mimicry. And then there's a bit of getting used to it. I'm going to go enjoy a little coffee here. And this is the experience. How much is it the taste and how much is it the process? And it's great to see Dutch. Dutch, I haven't seen you since one of the early regenerative gatherings that you ran. So I was up in B.C. No, in Laytonville down there.

51:29SpeakerYeah, yeah. In Garberville. Garberville. Correct. Correct. So it's great seeing you, man. You too, man. Holy cow.

51:39BubblemanIn the garb.

51:40SpeakerWhat a cool little ITAL gathering. Nick was there from Green Source and Dragonfly Earth Medicine were there. This was quite a gathering. Very cool. Yeah, it was a very, it was a cool vibe. Everything just came together. I didn't know any of those people prior to putting those events on. I knew some of them, obviously, to reach out to different folks. It really opened my world up in the best fucking way possible.

52:13SpeakerI got to meet so many. And it just it still ripples the genetic sharing. And it was important that we did the information that has come off of those that those learnings is fucking crazy. You know, I'm so fortunate to have just been a part, you know.

52:31BubblemanMe too. I was happy to be a part. That was banging, dude. Like that whole experience and the way it kind of just happened. It was just kind of under the radar bubbling. I remember the one you did in BC because I did the lift the same day and it was really chatted out. Like it was really just like all suits and just like no soul. And then I went to your event and I was like, oh, weird.

52:55BubblemanThis is what we've done. We've like, It's almost like the city of Vancouver, which has no soul. If you come here, like people from Montreal, they're like, where's the soul? Where's the soul? It's like, well, we put the soul in the mountains here. You got to go to the mountains. You can't go to the city. We don't have like bars and fucking concert scene. Like we don't have any of that.

53:16BubblemanWe have, we have the mountains. Yeah. Like yesterday I went down to my beach and while my son played with his friends, I watched humpback whales. Breach the Pacific Ocean, one after another, after another, after another. It was the most magical fucking thing, dude. Like, it was so good. Actually, I got a, I could share a video of a couple of the humpies popping out for a little visit.

53:43BubblemanThat's just, my son's just growing up, like, with these fucking things coming out of the ocean. And he's just like, Like I asked him, I was like, what's it like that you're, cause you're swimming in this water. He's like, he's like, I don't even think about it. There's just orcas and sea lions and like all the largest like sea life ever. These, these humpback whales are gigantic.

54:11BubblemanThat video does not do it justice. When they're closer to the shore and they come out of the water with their mouth open and smash down, you're just like. Holy shit. And they do another one where they swim super fast and they come right out of the water and then smash down on their side. And it is you're literally hearing people just regular old people go, oh, wow.

54:34BubblemanOh, my God. Like having borderline orgasms. It's pretty awesome. It makes me wonder. about the state of the world because i see the people in my neighborhood wanting to protect the whales and they want to protect the bears and they want to protect all the wildlife but they are consuming 77 billion chickens per year and about 240 billion cows and pigs and goats and other animals so i just i i get that we are hypocritical i'm hypocritical of course if you go back in time and Listen to things that I've said.

55:08BubblemanYou will find hypocrisy in things that I've said. I don't doubt that whatsoever. Did you like that Q-tip throw over the shoulder? Did any of you catch that? I had the dirt. I was talking and I just, I did one of these. Trying to get it in the ear? No, it's going into the garbage can and right behind me here, I've got a garbage can and I usually at the end of the day, I'll count how many shots I made.

55:31BubblemanAnd I got to say, man, I'm up in the eight out of 10 shot range right now.

55:34SpeakerI did miss that last one because it hit my head. You're in a 10 out of 10 environment. You know what I've seen from your slopes and the water and holy cow, you're in a beautiful area. It's almost like protecting an animal versus you kind of create the place where the healthy animals can live or you help sustain or steward this place.

56:00BubblemanAnd I'm not trying to say people can't eat animals either. I'm not trying to be like a militant vegan. I'm just trying to say there's a level of hypocrisy when you're trying to save the bear, but you're literally consuming some other animal three times a day.

56:14SpeakerThere's probably a lot of this. And, you know, the Tyson Farms down in Missouri that are just, you know, toxic animals. Thank you for joining us.

56:40SpeakerYou know, from a nutritionist standpoint, the meat and the fats are our body's inputs for our own 2-AG and anandamide, the endocannabinoids that our gut produces. So I think that definitely to say don't feed your body the things it needs to run its anti-inflammatory immune system might be incorrect, but Working those animals into a healthy system where they're producing the nitrogen and the manures they're producing are mixing with our overflow carbons and we're producing more living soil.

57:19SpeakerThis is very much Joel Salatin style. Joel is fantastic. He has done more. The Polyface Farms has done more with upgrading this idea of you can actually be semi-industrial and still take care of the earth. Even just like the two chickens per family or whatever, you know, concept, like you wouldn't believe how many people just come over and go, oh, it's so crazy. You guys got chickens.

57:49SpeakerAnd you're like,

57:52SpeakerWell, again, the chicken is... What, you don't eat eggs? Yeah, yeah, like you have scrap food and you eat eggs.

58:01BubblemanYeah. Dude, chickens are like, almost like a liver or a kidney for the system. Like you just, everything needs to be in play. And it's kind of one of the bummers about the federal regulations in Canada in the sense that like a true regenerative farm will have a hard time existing. In under the current regulations, you know, they just don't want that closed loop of animals.

58:29SpeakerYeah, the part of the cycle, it's a, you know, humble over on the coast, we're in Trinity, but over on the coast, it's like you pull into town and there are cows in the very lush green grass meadows and that meat and that food or that idea of like, Justin Delacruz, CEO Alphabet and Google. : Nothing makes me feel a little more secure than a like a healthy pasture with healthy animals in because like oh that's future food so it's like no matter how bad it gets or how scary the world appears through the screens.

59:06SpeakerSomething about seeing a healthy pasture really sets you at ease. And the humble grass-fed beef is the special thing. But even they, even they with this long-term multi-generation family business have now started to export the meat down to Mendocino to be processed. So it's like the idea that the best of the best Organizations are struggling to keep things local and to keep things operating. What up, Colin?

59:42BubblemanIt's that young man in the hat.

59:45Collin PalmerI know. I'm in my hat. I got my attire. Full mail, baby.

59:51BubblemanI also, I'm wearing, today I'm sporting the Mossy Giant. Shout out to the Mossy Giant. All 6 foot 11 inches of you, brother. I love you. And one of the things I love about my Mossy Giant hat is his art on the inside of the cap.

1:00:08Collin PalmerThis guy is a tripper, bro. I love that. There was a company that when I was playing... With Soundtribe Sector 9, they had this company out of Santa Cruz that was doing hats for them that was like super sick. Like every hat that they did for the band inside of it had that same sort of vibe in it. It was super rad. That's really cool.

1:00:31BubblemanDude, I miss Soundtribe Sector 9, bro. I felt like those guys were brothers for a while. They'd come up, they'd hang out, they'd party, they'd dab out, they'd play amazing shows.

1:00:39Collin PalmerOh, they're brothers still, man.

1:00:40BubblemanThey are, I know, but I haven't seen them in years, bro. Same with that other maniac that used to play, oh, The New Deal, Jamie. Remember Jamie?

1:00:49Collin PalmerYou know, I do. So The New Deal, it's funny that it just started cut into music here, boys, but The New Deal, I know, right, but The New Deal, I think this should be said, is like, I was thinking about, something came on of theirs, and I was like, dang, this is like... This is virtuoso style stuff. Like this is super heady, but like has this like drum and bass vibe to it with like virtuoso jazz guitar on top.

1:01:15Collin PalmerAnd like they were just rippers. And they just, you know, I think the drummer might've passed away. Somebody I think in the band isn't with them anymore, but I think they stopped, but they were rippers. And much like Soundtribe Sector 9, they had such a great, in that realm of, you know, call it exploratory music, They were some of the best, man. I mean, I remember seeing them in New York a lot and they were just, I just mad respect.

1:01:41Collin PalmerLike as a percussionist, like the drummer was, was on point and they're just awesome. But I know, you know, I know Zach really well from, from Soundtribe and Hunter and, you know, Phipps and all those guys. I spent a lot of time with them and, um, that was on their, their, their label actually 1320. And, um, I think they're still going. And I think, you know, they're, they're trying to do more intimate concerts, uh, with it, with our community.

1:02:06Collin PalmerAnd I think there's, there's something to be done with them, you know, um, as we kind of figure out the next iteration of, of, you know, and perhaps hash, you know, not hash shirts, but, but, uh, legends or something, you know, maybe there's a way for them to get, you know, I'm telling, listen, how I met Jamie.

1:02:24BubblemanThis goes back to the early 90s and he used to play for a band and I urge you all to go check out this band because they were fucking awesome. They were called One Step Beyond and that was the name of the band and the first place I ever saw them was in Winnipeg at the Blue Note Cafe at this really magical spot that if like anyone was in town that played music they would go to the Blue Note Cafe and it was super small fit like 40 people or 50 people maybe.

1:02:52BubblemanAnd so, yeah, he played with them. He was super cool. We hung out with them, became good friends with them, and then he started the new deal. And I was just like, this guy is an absolute, he is the show. Like when he's playing his keyboards, he's like so excited and so much energy coming off of this guy that, yeah, just those kind of early jam band days of the 90s when, I mean, shit, I hadn't even seen Phish yet before I met him.

1:03:21BubblemanUh, one step beyond. Cause I only saw fish in 93 and I would've met those guys in like 90 or 91. So good memories of enjoying music and cannabis.

1:03:32SpeakerMarco Benevento, Russo, uh, Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey. A lot of these guys, the, the percussion led Mike Dillon, a lot of his, uh, xylophone stuff. I mean, this stuff's transcendent when time and sound and all the energies come together. Holy cow. It's very much like these temporary churches. And maybe, maybe ganja is very much part of this. The frankincense and myrrh of the musical temple.

1:04:06Collin PalmerI mean, we can't not talk about them without mentioning Badeski, Martin and Wood. I mean, you know, John and Billy, Billy Martin in particular on drums is incredible. Is very, very good at hitting the pocket. Like he just really knows how to stay in that, in the pocket. Unlike a lot of them.

1:04:23SpeakerIt's funny how I resisted mentioning them because of almost not wanting to do the more niche or, but, uh, their Bonnaroo set from 12 AM to 4 AM where they brought a Ciro Baptista and the Antibolus horns up. Oh my God, dude. They did a rendition of Mo T Mo, King Sonny A Day Song. And this was so, the vibes were, I mean, I'm getting, my whole thing's lighting up just being, just remembering it.

1:04:53SpeakerAnd so warm, the Hammond organ and the Leslie and the oscillating speaker, all, it all kind of ties in and that's, um,

1:05:05BubblemanThat's an amazing band, Auntie Ballas. To go see that band is an experience. It's funny you mentioned MMW because that is another band we befriended in Winnipeg during the same time around 1990. And they were at the Pyramid, which was another kind of popular music spot. And they were like stuck. They were stuck in Winnipeg till like 4 or 5 a.m. And I remember I gave John Medesky this like seven gram haze bud.

1:05:32BubblemanAnd I was like, you know, this This will keep you up all night because he was like, oh, I don't want to let it was like, you know, 12 o'clock or one o'clock. He was like, I don't really want to like have to fall asleep for two or three hours. I was like, oh, just smoke this haze. And because of that haze bud, he always hit me up when he came back to Winnipeg.

1:05:50BubblemanAnd so it was, yeah, it was a cool experience. Same with Blues Traveler. We met those guys. I remember because their bass player, also at the Pyramid, their bass player left Winnipeg and got caught with like half a gram of Coke at the airport. So he had to keep coming back for court. That's the bass player that passed away, actually. Yeah, so he was, yeah, yeah, rest in peace for sure.

1:06:13BubblemanThat dude was, you know, it's a funny story, dude.

1:06:15Collin PalmerI rented him my studio in Brooklyn, New York in Dumbo next to me to build his personal studio that he built for six years by himself. His brother actually took over it when he passed. It was this big deal. Small world, right? Yeah, it's so crazy when you met, you brought him up. I was like, oh my gosh, like I used to be, I used to be his landlord.

1:06:37BubblemanThat's wild. They were all just dudes in Winnipeg. None of them had created a popularity for themselves. They were all just musicians. And the way we looked at it, which is how most people in different cities that love cannabis and love music, it's like, well, you know what? If there's a musician that I like and they like cannabis, I'm going to make sure they have it while they're in my city so they don't have to worry about it.

1:07:00BubblemanAnd all I really want in return is to watch said band play my favorite music Baked on the herb I gave them.

1:07:09Collin PalmerIt's so magical, you know, the things that the plant does for us all to bring us together with other individuals. And I think that's a great example of it. You know, for me, it's the same thing. You know, I think a lot of us here on this on on, you know, on the show today have some form or another. The plan has led us to other individuals.

1:07:27Collin PalmerI mean, shoot, that's how we found each other, Marcus, through music and then cannabis kind of just blended into it all. And it's such amazing. I know we're so lucky, you know, it's such a it's an amazing thing. It really is. It's a it's the universal kind of language that draws us together. It's it's, you know, without even saying anything, you kind of Oh, you're into this?

1:07:48Collin PalmerI'm into that. Oh, cool.

1:07:49SpeakerYou know, maybe we can hang, you know, and it's a cool homage to want to get what you appreciate into the creatives that you love. You're like, I look, you know, I really enjoy what you're producing. I think you should have you should have some of this. I want to see if it uplifts you and does what it does for me. It's such an intimate idea of like taking your favorite artists gifts and

1:08:15BubblemanWell, it leads me to this, Adam. Lately, what I've been doing, I got sucked down the Ren rabbit hole, right? Ren, the artist from the UK. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Ren. If not, bonus, I get to turn you all on. He's got a track called High Ren. And Ren got like misdiagnosed with like mental illness years ago when he was like 19 or 20.

1:08:39BubblemanBut he actually had Lyme's disease. And so he ended up kind of like You know, suffering, not moving for a long time in a bed and just having psychosis and mental breakdowns. And he wrote this incredibly beautiful music of that journey through, you know, madness. And he's got a song called Hirin that I have watched probably like four or five hundred times. And then I also watch a lot of people reacting to it.

1:09:05BubblemanI would urge each and every one. Yesterday, I had a friend over, Mark, from the Craft Greenery, and I was like, we got to watch this song. It's nine minutes long. Mark, Dr. Mark, you would be impressed because it's live. He's in a wheelchair. They roll him in. He's got an acoustic guitar and he does it in one take. But the whole song, like I won't give too much away, but it is.

1:09:24BubblemanIt would be what I would consider probably the hardest thing to do in one take. He did it four times, but they used a single take. They didn't splice all four into one. So he did four one takes. And the one that you see in the video, Hiran, Is the one that that they obviously use. It has 53 million views. It's a couple of years old. It is so fucking powerful and incredible.

1:09:51BubblemanAnd I tell you at the end of it, when he stands up, if the hair on the back of your neck and arms is not just in full static energy, it's you. You have no soul because that is some of the most touching, heart wrenching. You'll probably cry. Honestly, if you don't cry, then you might. Need to watch it a few more times and tap in a little deeper because it is powerful, powerful stuff.

1:10:19BubblemanIt's amazing.

1:10:20SpeakerEmpathy and compassion are real. And these, you know, you mentioned Lyme's and this misdiagnosis. And I recently had someone in the family with a tick bite. And, you know, so you look into this and I've met Dr. Michael Gomez, And you look into like okay what's the treatment and it's a broad scale antibiotic into the blood and it's like well that's going to destroy the immune system somewhat but it's they're going after a bacteria that's injected from the from the tick and.

1:10:51SpeakerDr. Michael Gomez, i've talked to a different people who have these issues. And some of them are being treated with multiple courses of antibiotics after the original diagnosis years after, and they're not able to get their body to activate. And, uh, You know, in short, I found that, you know, high dose vitamin D, high dose vitamin C, some zinc and magnesium, kind of filling up your body's paint buckets to encourage your own immune system, the endocannabinoid system, which is going to encourage the lymphocytes in the white blood cells to attack like wolves, the invader.

1:11:33SpeakerMovement, hydration, getting the lymphatic system to move the bacteria, not allow it to stay in place. It's just interesting. You say the Lyme and it's like, I'm really interested, like where, how these people get there. I think it's sometimes another example of the Western medicines cure becoming the cause of the problem. Um, but man, holy cow. When people stand up and get through it, get through their hard times, that is nothing is better than that.

1:12:04BubblemanYup. It's nice. Everyone needs those stories. And I'll tell you, man, at the end of that nine minute video, it's the most like crescendo. Like, you're just like, yes, it's good. It's good. Everyone should put it on at the end of church. Definitely watch that video. It's a doozy. Maybe the single like I don't even know what I could compare it to like greatness like it would it's like something like like I don't know like Freddie Mercury would have done back in the day or something like it's just so unique.

1:12:39BubblemanYou just think of all the people that have been playing music. In fact, One of the things I noticed, and I don't know a ton about music, but he definitely in that video goes through all 12 of the chromatic chords in order. All the way down, which is, I don't think he did that by accident. I think he put it in there to make sure it was all in there.

1:13:02BubblemanBut check it out. I think I'd love to hear your opinion on it, Colin, after you watch that video. Because you've been playing music all your life.

1:13:09Collin PalmerYeah, no, I've been playing since I was a little kid. I've been blessed to play with some pretty amazing people.

1:13:14BubblemanDude, I got to see you play music in Amsterdam on stage.

1:13:19Collin PalmerYou did. Yeah, that was really, I was like, I was such a weird moment because I'm like, I just got off tour. I'm in Belgium. My bandmates are like, what do you want to do? I was like, dude, we're going to Amsterdam. Like, we're going. Like, we're here. We're going to Amsterdam. We're all going together. I want to take you to all these spots that I know.

1:13:38Collin PalmerAnd like, I show up and I remember walking down the street and I see bubble bags out of the corner of my eye. I'm like, oof. Boom, let's go there. And I walk in and like, I think I see like, I don't know, someone from THC, maybe it was Adam's partner or something. And I'm like looking at the bags. I'm just stoked because it's like, you know, my buddy's stuff's here.

1:13:57Collin PalmerLike, I can't believe his bags are up in the wall, you know, especially at that time, you know, still. And he didn't believe it. He was like, you know, Marcus, there's no way. And I was just like, he like hands me the phone. I'm like, yo, it's it's lemon cake, bro. And you're like, what? And I didn't even know it was it was the High Times Cannabis Cup.

1:14:16Collin PalmerAnd you're like, yo, come over. And we I remember coming over and it was just awesome. It was like a really great experience meeting all the collective individuals. I remember some as herb that he had gotten or you'd gotten some of some as herb and we were smoking some of it. And it was just an awesome experience. It got me excited to. Think about cannabis in a in a broader sense than I was than just running my delivery service and growing and, you know, with the spaces I was growing in.

1:14:45Collin PalmerAnd it really lit this fire under me to be like, yeah, I want to like participate with all this is like a lot of fun. Like this is these are my this is my my family here. So that was a you know, I'll just never forget that moment with you and the rest of the crew. I can't even remember who else was there, but a lot of people, man.

1:15:03BubblemanThat was a wild, wild experience for sure. When you showed up in Amsterdam, that was, that was pretty cool. And the phone call as well. That was Doug. That was Adam's partner. I think it might've even been Adam. It was one of the two. And I remember them being surprised. They're like, no, there's no way. They're kind of like that too, though, you know, like, oh, you know, bubble man, let's call him up.

1:15:25BubblemanHere you go.

1:15:26Collin PalmerYeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm just not one of those cats that like says stuff like that. So, you know, it was I just was like, yeah, of course, I wouldn't have said it, you know, but it was funny. You know, it's great. And then I remember being asked to play and open up the set for the 420 session. And then I think Cypress Hill or somebody else played later.

1:15:47Collin PalmerAnd yeah, Cypress was there.

1:15:49BubblemanBecause I was sharing a booth with Martin that year from Ruhr and Cypress Hill was at our booth.

1:15:56Collin PalmerYes.

1:15:57BubblemanYeah. DJ Mugs and Be Real.

1:16:00Collin PalmerYeah. And what else? I think that was the year that it got busted, too. Like, I remember packing up and I just left. Yeah, it did get busted. And two hours later, they descended on the property. And now, yeah. But anyway, there's all kinds of stories connected to the past that I got. Was that 2012? Yeah. I think so. It was like 2012, 2011. I honestly get the years mixed up at this point because it was so long ago, but I don't, yeah, I remember getting stopped at customs with all this herb and they totally smashed us.

1:16:32Collin PalmerWe, we had, uh, we had gotten through customs and then they came on our tour bus and we're like, I was like sitting there rolling the, the, uh, I can't remember what, where some type of haze, I can't remember. It was something, it was like, it was amazing. It was just such a good haze. But, uh, Yeah, I learned some lessons that night. That's hilarious. Don't try to bring Herb over to London.

1:16:57Collin PalmerOh, I'll tell you.

1:16:59BubblemanLast time I was in London was after Spain and I was at a hotel. Our flight got canceled and it was Tricone Tortoise, that kid that was winning all the contests with his super, you know, Z-Boof and all these full mail bubbles that he had. And we had a big session and had like nine security guards at our room. Luckily, the way the system worked, everyone's room smelled like it was coming from their room.

1:17:27BubblemanSo we just used that defense. I said, everyone's room smells like this right now. Look at that dog. It's twice the size.

1:17:38BubblemanWhat's the breed on the dog?

1:17:40Speaker18 pounds. I just weighed her in preparation for the amazement that this nine week old puppy. Go ahead.

1:17:47Bubbleman18 pounds. I was just going to say that dog is a magician. And I guarantee you, if you gave that dog one liter of water and five kilos of food, she could turn it into 30 kgs of shit.

1:18:04SpeakerThis is Ola and she's the... He's she's the one who figured out how to escape from the garden, the fenced in garden first. And she's the girl. She's the one I chose. I was like, oh, I'm going to keep you. She's the pick of the litter. And but she's also the one who learned how to escape. And so she'll come up and hang out on the porch with me.

1:18:26SpeakerAnd so there it's it's the Caucasian shepherds. Who was the sire or the dad was this Caucasian shepherd, which is the big livestock guardian dog and a Swiss shepherd, which is the mom, which is a smaller, longer haired shepherd. And so this is a novel breed, the Wolf Mountain Swiss Guard Ovcharka, which is the Russian word for shepherd.

1:18:53BubblemanRight. Someone in the room just posted it. They just said, I love Orsharka written in Russian. How much are they asking for a pup? I just sent them. I just said, go to your website. What is your website again?

1:19:04SpeakerWolfnellOrganics.com. We're finding homes. We're going to make it work. So a lot of the cost is just going to go into having me bring you the pup. We still have five of the nine litter that need home. So that's so there's a lot. There's a lot of pups right now in the spring. But we're going to make it work. I'm hoping some of the hash church community, the hash church goers come through or know someone.

1:19:35SpeakerAnd I obviously will need to verify that you're going to be able to feed the dog. But besides that, they are. They are little gems. Holy cow. Yeah, not so little anymore. That's right. I ran the numbers of what the kibble was going to end up costing if they all stay home. So we're going to look for some help. But the black velvety muzzle, I mean, this, the whole thing, their whole demeanor.

1:20:11SpeakerOdin is this gentle giant. I'll try to throw a pickup of him. It's got the big white spot. And they are part of the mountain community. Some of the larger, more industrial people maybe have bred them. And they do maintain this like wolf-like coat, like their fur and their mask is very wolfy. All right, buddy. So she's awesome, dude. Avcharka, an Armenian taught me how to say it properly.

1:20:41SpeakerIt was A, A-V, instead of it's written O, but you pronounce it Avcharka. So very cool. Holy.

1:20:53BubblemanYeah, no doubt. I wonder what would happen if you were a couple days late feeding them. Would they just consume your whole family or? Oh, no.

1:21:02SpeakerI think, I very much think they would find a way to get out. They'd probably go for the chickens first and then go in on the squirrels. You know, we keep them very well fed. This is, yeah, the food drive is strong. This nipping at the heels of the master to get, to get the, if you're an hour late on the kibble, we're all creatures of habit.

1:21:30BubblemanWell my my buddy's been feeding he's been feeding squirrels and birds at his house he just loves it he's and he puts out mad amounts of nuts all the time well he hasn't gone home for weeks he's been hanging out at his other place in the valley and uh he told me he came home and he was like dude holy shit like the neighbors were like bro i don't know what happened but over by your house but the birds and squirrels have been going bonkers it's like they're just loud because i guess he didn't show up for a couple weeks to feed them and he was putting out you know like 10 pounds of Not every day.

1:22:02SpeakerYeah, that's wild. That's like, we definitely don't feed the wildlife. I know some people that do. And that creates all kinds of problems. Oh, dude. Mainly for the neighborhood dogs will catch wind of this and somehow be attracted.

1:22:18BubblemanAnd oh, yeah, yeah, we we just try to keep Anything that's food locked up so that the bears don't get attracted here, that the coyotes don't come eat our cats, that the, you know, cougars just stay further back.

1:22:35SpeakerIt's all about managing, putting things in its right place, creating environments that the wildlife prefers to be in and the zones that overlap. It's that's the main Purpose of the Wolf or the Obcharka is they communicate the boundary. Yeah, this is tough to get.

1:22:55BubblemanThe picture's incredible, dude, of the dogs behind you. It's like the three on your right that just are looking right at the camera. So good.

1:23:05SpeakerI'll try to share some more. Up on the website, there's some good ones. I mean, very photogenic. It's been 20 years of wolves and then shepherds and then into this novel breed. And so there's a lot of lessons that come along with it. And a lot of what you mentioned is the responsibility of managing the human to keep things in its right place. That's what really encourages the healthy behavior from the canines.

1:23:37SpeakerYeah, I mean, they're cute as heck. I've done my homework to run around all of our county And Flyer, the area.

1:23:46BubblemanYou should bring one to Minnesota, Dutch. Don't you need a huge, giant dog to take care of?

1:23:52SpeakerLet's go. No, I have a huge, giant German Shepherd. Yeah, you do. Yeah, from Nick, speaking of limes, but she is not friendly to other dogs whatsoever. Oh, you got one of those dogs, eh? Yeah, she's ferocious. Yeah, but she's sweet as heck. Like you can come over and just walk up and be, you know, no problems, but bring any sort of other dog and she will lose her shit.

1:24:24BubblemanBest that she stays single.

1:24:27SpeakerYeah, yeah, she stays single. She's she's home and she keeps all the deer away pretty well.

1:24:34BubblemanI think it might be time for a dab. I'm going to hit this grease bucket from those sauce.

1:24:40Collin PalmerI was just thinking the same thing, Marcus.

1:24:42Etienne FontanWell, I mean, you know, we're just sitting here.

1:24:45BubblemanI did realize that my banger wasn't heating up that whole time, so I guess I'm now going to have to wait an entire minute. It's ridiculous. Wasting my life waiting for dabs. What do you say, Dr. Mark? Don't leave.

1:25:01BubblemanWhat's that now? I don't know. You looked like you were ready to jump out of your seat.

1:25:05Dr Mark ScialdoneI was like, don't leave, Dr. Mark. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just...

1:25:09BubblemanLooking at some data. There you are. Yeah, you are. It's all about the data. That is for sure. Sure is. I think that was another part of the success of that facility. I didn't quite understand it, but he had sensors on every single plant. It seemed as though they were doing well with collecting the data and they were doing well with understanding and All right. Thank you for joining us.

1:25:51SpeakerOr even, you know, turn up the lights. There's a lot you can do. It's just super expensive thing to set up, but really fucking cool and fun to play with.

1:26:00BubblemanAnd if you get someone to set it up, they'll almost always show up with a Dutch accent. True or not true?

1:26:07Collin PalmerSometimes. My name is Dita.

1:26:12BubblemanI am here to build your greenhouse. Those motherfuckers know how to grow in greenhouses. They know how to build greenhouses. That's all I'm saying.

1:26:20Collin PalmerYes, no, it's the truth. And I think it's, you know, I saw the, you know, never before did we really pay attention to root zone temperature, right? And now we do. And along with all the data points that go along with that and under canopy lighting and, you know, All the things that we, you know, never really had the opportunity to do is now capable, you know, with the capabilities to do it and all the sensors that are being developed, as Dutch said, you know, it triggers watering, it triggers feeding types, or if you're doing things like crop steering, you know, you can, you can do that, you know, use the sensors for that.

1:26:56SpeakerYou found an optimal temperature, root zone temperature?

1:27:02Collin Palmer100%. And again, your water temperature, right? A lot of facilities still, all these years later, are running cold temperatures. So things like your P and K aren't being uptaken properly, right? Because it's too cold, right? So there's all these data points, I think, that specifically I've learned, right? That I know others are learning too. And it's really exciting because, you know, even for living soil gardens, you want to know a lot about what's happening week over week, day over day.

1:27:34Collin PalmerAnd, you know, it's important, you know, it's why Dutch, we talked a lot about at the conference we were at on the panels about soil testing and how often that needs to be done to be able to be accurate in terms of your feeding schedule for a living soil garden. So it was... You know, there's a lot of different ways to approach this. And I think the sensors help us get to a better data point, data driven, less ego, more decision making.

1:28:00SpeakerOh, yeah. When you have like a low tech analog thing and you're like, oh, I just set it here and here and here and here. You can do that, but you don't see what's going on in the room in these in the swings like you do when you hit a graph real quick and you're like, oh, fuck. Every day when the lights go off, the humidity spikes.

1:28:20SpeakerWhat the fuck? That's why I'm getting bud rot, powdery mildew, whatever. That's why these issues are happening. And if you're growing synthetically and you're trying to dial in strains, this is not my expertise, but each cultivar is, of course, feeding differently. I don't have to think about that in living soil. I have this massive benefit. I haven't, you know, in fact, I haven't even grown specifically for flower for a decade.

1:28:48SpeakerIt's been, it's just been genetic breeding, you know, so I'm keeping full feeding all the way through flower and intense lights. And I'm actually doing a flower room right now. And, and I sealed it up because I can't have it smelling where I have it. And so I'm like kind of going back in time for myself and putting the ACs in there. And then I was like, oh, shit, I got to get some CO2 in here.

1:29:11SpeakerFuck, you know, and go and get some tanks. And I go order all the shit. And I set up my sensor and it's like eleven hundred ppm. And I'm like, well, God damn it. The living soil is doing its thing. Like, God damn it. Yeah. All I did was someone, you know, I didn't have a sensor in there, so I didn't know. But I was Stoked to know that I didn't need to add any artificial CO2, you know, pretty cool.

1:29:35Collin PalmerYeah, no, and it helps you understand the data, you know, I think Dr. Mark will agree, you know, data is important, you know.

1:29:47SpeakerData are important. I heard a scientist saying that today, this morning when I was listening to something and I was like, oh yeah, it's not an is, it's a plural. So aren't you supposed to say data are important?

1:30:02Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, the data is sets, right? So sets of data, right? And yeah, I mean, you could easily succumb to information overload, right? Like, you know, especially I can only imagine, you know, the environmental conditions around a grow, trying to manage several rooms. Uh, let alone, you know, uh, on the chemistry side, you know, especially when it comes to testing to go back to what I was saying before about having a scientist at the top of a cannabis company, you know, I had, uh, various clients who gave me pushback on, uh, Having internal analytics, you know, like having HPLC and GC at a cannabis producer because they didn't understand if they're doing third party testing, why they would possibly need You know, internal in-house testing.

1:31:08Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd, you know, I think if like there's a scientist at the top of the company, they understand that. And even like a regulatory person, like in order to do GMP manufacturing, you have to have You have to have a very big, thick binder called a quality manual, right? And so you have to have internal quality assurance and quality control when you're in production of anything, let alone cannabis, you know?

1:31:39Dr Mark ScialdoneBut certainly like if you're making like gummies or anything that's fortified with a cannabis extract and targeting a certain milligram, Thank you for joining us.

1:32:18Dr Mark ScialdoneFiguring you got your recipe right, unless you've done like a lot of iterations of internal testing before you do, you know, testing on stuff that's intended to be sold. Because now you're going to be sitting with a bunch of inventory that's got 50 milligrams on the sticker, but you only have 20 milligrams in the product, right?

1:32:41SpeakerSo that's extremely important. It almost goes the other way where sometimes there's too much and people who are going to the medicine looking for some good experience, maybe get a little overwhelmed. So it's like that kind of dosing or how you get, you know, if you have a tincture, you can very accurately test that. Know that one drop equals this. Well, yeah, in large batch gum gummies.

1:33:07Dr Mark ScialdoneIf you're shooting for good manufacturing production, what's called GMP, or they usually, there's like a little C, C GMP, which means current good manufacturing practices. You, yeah, you set, You set, Adam, product specification limits of what's too high and what's too low, right? And you don't wait for just a third-party test to come back. You dial that into your process using your internal analytics. It's important that your internal analytics are going to be predictors of what your third-party validation looks like, right?

1:33:57Dr Mark ScialdoneSo you need the third-party validation, COAs and whatnot. For to get onto the dispensary shelf. It's probably the same in Canada. I would imagine same here in the US. But like if people are like, well, why do I need to do this testing? Before I send stuff to a third party lab. Yeah, I'm already spending all this money on a third party lab. Oh, wait, Dr. Mark, you're telling me that I need to buy this $50,000 machine?

1:34:31Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, wait, Dr. Mark, you're telling me that we need to hire somebody at $100,000 a year to run that machine? Oh, wait, Dr. Mark, you're telling me that the results that we're going to generate internally may not match what we're seeing externally. So it's like dialing that procedure into your production is really, really important because that way, again, like if you come back with a third party result and, you know, say you're testing flour, right?

1:35:04Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Third party result comes back at like 10 or 15%. But you have internal results that say, no, that flower tests for 2025%. And here's the SOP that we're using to test it. You know, can we see your SOP? Can we understand where these differences are? Because it's your number that goes on our label. It's your number that gets reported to the state. My number is just for my internal results.

1:35:32Dr Mark ScialdoneResearch, well, and product development. But I guess the point there to drive home is that if you're going to be doing the third party testing anyway, it really helps to be able to predict what that result's going to be because you've already tested it, you know, five or 10 times before it goes out the door, you know?

1:35:54Collin PalmerYeah, the other thing I was thinking about, as you said it, I was, you know, I, I believe in having your internal R&D. And over the years, I Not just out of curiosity, but just as you said, out of visibility, right? If you're product diving and you're constantly sending something in for COA, the state's like, what's up with these guys? Why do they keep failing? Why are they all over the place?

1:36:15Collin PalmerYou know, it doesn't give you this opportunity to really dive in. And it's almost like a band that doesn't rehearse, right? And just like flub notes all over the place. And it's, you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of the truth, you know, because you have to get it right. And then you make that SOP, as you said, and work instructions around that to be the CMG and have the parameters that you need, which is the low and the high and what to expect, etc.

1:36:41Collin PalmerBut it's all based around that R&D, you know, like, I don't do anything these days without an R&D sample, you know, like everything goes R&D first. Yeah.

1:36:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYou might spend some money doing that, but I think in the long run, you're going to learn more about your internal process. And again, when you need to turn over, if you're trying to get GMP certification in your facility, you can't do that unless you have internal analytics to do that QAQC work. And I think so. Not in New York, though, Dr. Mark. Lucky for me, Colin, is that I didn't always have like a scientist or an engineer in the C-suite who would like to push, say, oh, why do I need that?

1:37:28Dr Mark ScialdoneBut in the rearview mirror, All of those companies, without exception, are really grateful that I pushed them to get internal analytics because ultimately, like if you're trying to make something dosed at 100 milligrams and you just throw it over the fence to a third party lab and it comes back at 80 milligrams, like, oh, fuck. Now I got to redo that entire production run. So you goose it a little bit more and you send it over.

1:37:53Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, now it's testing at 120 milligrams, right? So that might be a little bit too high. You got to get that Goldilocks spot. And I think the way you do that too, especially if you're dealing with formulated products, like I don't know how you formulate

1:38:13Dr Mark ScialdoneSo if you're making like distillate or if you're making diamonds, if you're making tea, in fact, that's what a lot of people are doing these days, Colin, is they're making THCA and then rather than making distillate, they're just decarboxylating their THCA, making a really high THC input. Well, You need to know, like, if you're adding that THC input into a gummy or into a soda, you know, you're going to calculate in a spreadsheet, okay, if my batch is, I don't know, I'm going to be making 5,000 cans of soda at 100 milligrams a piece.

1:38:54Dr Mark ScialdoneWhen you backtrack that through that spreadsheet, it's going to tell you how many grams of distillate. Well, that Thank you so much for joining us.

1:39:20Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm sorry, 887 grams of THC, right? If all that THC decarboxylate, so then you might think, okay, well, as long as I haven't lost anything, right? I could use that concentration and then blindly dilute that into a product. But I think what you'll find out is that It's best to test at your THCA level. Decarboxylate that THC. Test now at that decarboxylated stage. Know what that number is.

1:40:00Dr Mark ScialdoneIs it really 88.7% of what you put in? Well, theoretically, that's what it should be. But maybe the decarb's not complete. Maybe somehow you've lost a little bit to CBN because there was some error in the system. But Now, what you do is if you take that distillate, right, you're probably not going to add that distillate meat into a product. You're probably going to cut that with MCT oil or something like that, right?

1:40:29Dr Mark ScialdoneCut it with a, so distillate is what we would call a hard oil. You cut it with a soft oil and then put that into a formulation. Right. Or you could then make nano emulsion out of that. You could do a lot of things with that. Well, then you would test the MCT, right? So here it is. You've tested your THCA, you've tested your THC, and you've tested your MCT oil that you've diluted your THC into.

1:40:55Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd now you have a really good, you know, control for, okay, I know exactly how much THC is in there. So I know how many individual gummies or sodas or whatever i can make with that i don't know if like if you're not doing that testing along the way i don't know how you do it it's just all in the dark it's just all assuming that everything is going to be fine then you're going to end up with 5 000 cans and nothing's going to meet the label language because you didn't do your testing Yeah, and the money, man.

1:41:28SpeakerI'm sorry, Colin. No, go for it. You said the words nano emulsion and soda and seltzers and this idea of mixing the oil and the waters. Nano emulsion, is it really nano? And emulsion, what is that? When we're putting, is that like, This idea of trying to get, and I, and I fear you may maybe have a product that might do this. So I don't want to.

1:41:58Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, no, no, no, it's all good. I'm a scientist. I don't have any problems.

1:42:01SpeakerIs that like somewhat, when you say nano emulsion, is that somewhat like plasticized?

1:42:07Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so what that's referring to is the average particle size of the dispersed oil droplets in the aqueous phase, right? So we know that cannabis isn't soluble in water, right? You ever try cleaning your bong out with water? Thank you for joining us.

1:42:52Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd the cool thing is, is that with cannabis, the perfect model system is dairy milk because dairy milk is emulsified fat in water, right? So if you think about it, you could dissolve cannabis resin or THC or these cannabinoids into an oil, right? Like MCT. MCT is the acronym that stands for... Medium chain triglycerides, which is a fancy name for fractionated coconut oil. Coconut oil is a semi-solid.

1:43:28Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's an oil part and there's a solid part. So when you remove the solids from the oil, the oil is the MCT, right? So MCT is a good vehicle for cannabis extract. And what you know is that if you just take MCT oil and pour it into a glass of water, right? The oil is about a density of 0.791. So it's lighter than water. Water is 1.0.

1:43:58Dr Mark ScialdoneSo the water will be down here and the oil will be up here, right? And that's just if you add just a whole shot glass full of oil, right? But if you, on high shear rate mixing, Add the oil drop wise. So the oil isn't allowed to separate and there's emulsifier in the water layer, right? What happens to those oil droplets is rather than finding other oil droplets and coalescing into a different oil phase that sits on top of the water, right?

1:44:34Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause the oil is less dense. What it does is the oil droplets are emulsified, okay? And like when you melt butter, when you're looking at a stick of butter, you can't see through it, right? Because the emulsified oil in the water scatters light. But when you melt butter, you could see through it, right? So, yeah, so emulsified fat in water scatters light. That's why... That's why Fresca is cloudy, right?

1:45:08SpeakerThat's why ice cream sandwiches don't melt.

1:45:10Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's because they're having... Yeah, because there's all kinds of carrageenan and other kinds of shit in there other than cream. It's difficult. So here it is. You asked about emulsifiers. So what you're doing is you're... So those oil droplets... If you run it through something called a microfluidizer, microfluidizer is just basically a pump that pumps 10 lanes of traffic through a two-lane tunnel, right? So there's an incredible amount of pressure there, thousands of Thank you so much for joining us.

1:46:25Dr Mark ScialdoneKeep the oil droplets from talking to one another and coalescing, right? Does that make sense? So milk is again the perfect example because you could continuously add water to milk and it never oils out, right? You never get a separate butter phase. In dairy, you only get a separate butter phase because what's happened is that there's an imbalance in the milk itself Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:47:13Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd it's nano emulsified. So the cannabinoid is soluble inside the oil phase, which are these little nano sized droplets all over the place. Right now, you can take that stuff. Soil Grown, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

1:47:45Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us today.

1:48:08Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd during that process itself, a lot of the cannabinoid basically was sort of placking out on the inside of the can. And so what you thought was like a 50 milligram drink was only like a 10 milligram drink because most of the cannabinoid payload was stuck inside the can. So that's what the nano emulsion is. So I don't know if, did I explain it right?

1:48:32SpeakerI understand the mechanics. I'm a little, you know, I'm a little suspect of what the emulsions are and what it does to our digestion. And if it's good to tell you.

1:48:41Dr Mark ScialdoneOne thing it does is it increases, it increases the onset of activity immensely. And I can tell you that from my personal experience.

1:48:50SpeakerThe tech say is that it increases.

1:48:53BubblemanI would be way more worried about the 40 grams of sugar in the can of drink. Trust me, like there's nothing worse than that. Just stay away from those drinks for the sugar. Holy cow.

1:49:08Dr Mark ScialdoneTo be honest, the sector that's really taking off are seltzers, which have little to no sugar at all. They put a little bit of citric acid in there to make it sugary. And if your flavor's right, I mean, I've tasted a mango seltzer that had zero calories and tasted really good. I've tasted some that, yeah, are definitely sugared up because their nano emulsion has got some bitterness and some background flavor to it.

1:49:42Dr Mark ScialdoneBut there are some products out there right now that have little to no bitterness, little to no background flavor. And so, yeah, that enables them to lower sugar content and to get into that You know, flavored water, seltzer category. Go ahead, Colin, please.

1:50:03Collin PalmerYeah, the spin drift kind of model, right? Like it's real fruit juice in seltzer, right?

1:50:09Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's kind of what a lot of people... Well, real fruit juice is a problem because unless you refrigerate your shit, you're up against microbial fouling in real fruit juice. That's the problem with real fruit juice. But if you're just going to use a generic flavor, a little bit of citric acid and carbonated water, you don't need fruit juice. Fruit juice causes problems just on shelf life. I don't know whether or not you're going to have a refrigerated chain of custody between you and the marketplace.

1:50:38Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, I mean, there's 100%.

1:50:41Collin PalmerBut yeah, I mean, if you're, yeah, it would have to be a cold chain item if you're going to do things like that, for sure, because those aren't shelf stable ingredients. But to your point, the other thing I was going to bring up when you're talking about cans is like, it's still an issue, to be honest. Like, It's the liners of the cans, not so much the emulsions.

1:50:58Collin PalmerIt's the actual liner itself and what they're made of. And now there's Gen 2 and Gen 3 cans that I've seen that are made out of much more ethical liners and material. Because let's not forget, it's still a plastic liner in those cans, right? Yeah. Yeah.

1:51:13Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, it's polyethylene nitrile and you can't change that. I mean, in the companies that are making those Those can liners could give a shit about the cannabis industry. Really, Colin, to be honest, truthful, because I'm in this game. Two or three years ago, yeah, there was a lot of loss of potency. But today, especially at the lower loading levels, we're not really seeing loss in potency to the can liner.

1:51:43Dr Mark ScialdoneSo the key thing there is does it taste good?

1:51:48Dr Mark ScialdoneDoes it taste good? Does it have a bitterness? A lot of these things are bitter because you're using pretty powerful emulsification systems. They're not using a chemist like me understands that you have to do a little bit of R&D to understand what your minimum amount of You know, there's something called the CMC, which is the critical mycellular concentration that you need of a surfactant or emulsifier. But other things is that, you know, some of these emulsifier systems are natural, meaning that they come from natural sources like Kiwawa.

1:52:27Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd other things. So the natural emulsifiers that I've used and my formulations are high in something called saponins. Saponins are compounds that are found in a variety of plants that are used as... Actually, these things are so good at emulsifying, they're used in making homemade laundry detergent. But they're edible. And if it's formulated properly, it doesn't have a bad aftertaste. But yeah, if you're using large amounts of things like polysorbate 80 and other synthetic, you know, pegylated materials, you're going to have a real...

1:53:12Dr Mark ScialdoneBitterness issue and a background taste, background flavor. But good news is, yeah, I can tell you that at the lower concentration column, we're not seeing a lot of potency loss these days. And I'm talking about the last two or three years. So the systems that are out there are working pretty good to maintain potency.

1:53:34Collin PalmerYeah, I've seen similar, but there's, you know, we've also seen some other stuff happen, which was really eye-opening to me.

1:53:42Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I remember sodas that you were supposed to shake before, you know, homogenize the sodas. Like, who shakes a soda before you open it up?

1:53:51BubblemanI got a cool one, Dr. Mark, that someone sent me way back in the day, and he had the patent for the cannabinoids were loaded in the lid. And then you screwed it onto this thing and you popped it and these things like it shot out like an instant, like I wanted to get a slow motion, a slow motion video of it, but it was. It was even still too fast for the technology I had at the time.

1:54:15BubblemanThis was maybe five years.

1:54:17Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, that solves the shelf life problem. You just put the payload in the lid and yeah, it's screwed on the lid. You know, there's a couple of products down here in the States. There's the product in Colorado, Ripple. It's just kind of like a little packet of sugar and you just rip it open and you pour it into your drink at the bar, you stir it up and now you have

1:54:37SpeakerA cannabis-infused drink at the bar.

1:54:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, yeah, there's like, you know, again, neat ways of thinking about how to solve the stability issue inside a can, because cans can be a, you know, pretty unfriendly environment for cannabis. But, yeah, it's a huge growing sector. You know, it's getting really big because of some of the laws down here.

1:55:05SpeakerWe used to maybe receive a lot of our medicine at the apothecary or at the bar where the herbs were maybe carried in alcohol and the seltzer or the cocktail was built. And, you know, we've kind of moved to having cans of emulsification and, you know, maybe the bars sell just the alcohol without any of the medicine being carried. But the idea of building a shrub or a drink where you're tender, you're a medicine person or your pharmacy was, oh, you're going to have a few drops of the cannabis, you're going to have a few drops of the mint, you're going to, you know, building this idea of a cocktail maybe once was, you know, more medicinal than it is these days.

1:55:53SpeakerBut yeah, that doesn't really speak to how to mass produce and can and put out onto shelves versus building your own seltzer drink at home. But I love this idea of the medicine being alcohol's purpose was as a tincture and to be able to carry herbal medicines to people and have a deliverable, meterable way to dose one drop.

1:56:25Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, back to Dr. Marsh kind of initial thing, how we ended here or got here was like, you know, the testing along the way when you're doing anything is like to save that money on the back end. It sounds like that money up front is like a lot, but then like add up a year's worth of testing and of R&D that alone like be triple that, you know what I mean?

1:56:44Collin PalmerSo yeah. It's about putting, you know, as you said, really, I think quite well, it's like it's about putting a team together that works off one another towards a common goal. And everyone just has a lane, you know, and yeah, it's important to have that testing because it's there's those are markers, you know, those are those are data points to help you. Make great wellness products for people.

1:57:08Collin PalmerAnd I know as I've gotten deeper into my formulation techniques, like I have to have that. Like I don't even know where I'm headed without immediately testing something I'm making, you know, especially these days, you know, because it's so much about percentage of this or that or making something compliant for whatever reason, you know. It's, you know, how do you know? Like even in New York, like our facility, our hash lab is CGMP.

1:57:32Collin PalmerSo we have to take a lot of notes where in any other market we never had to do that. You know, and it, you know, the testing is a big one for us. You know, it's like I don't even want to go to the next step without knowing, you know.

1:57:46Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I don't know how you can. I mean, if you're just, you know, again, sending stuff over to the fence to a third party lab and hoping that it comes out right. Maybe you're lucky, like, you know, one third of the time, but two thirds, you're either low or high. But yeah, I mean, if you're going to be showing everything in a vertically integrated production facility where you're doing everything from growing, you know, it's a really cool thing when the growers are turned on to the fact that you could use GC for phenol hunting, you know, look for different terpene profiles and, you know, try to find, you know, outliers in your garden.

1:58:28Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, it's really kind of cool to have Full-time instrumentation analysis at every step along the way. You know, Marcus, you were talking about that little whiz-bang meter that you had on here the other day can do like nutrient contents in the plant, right? Nutrient contents, cannabinoid levels, water levels. I mean, yeah, like Dutch was saying before you know it, you're overloaded with data. And you have to understand what that data means and how to use that data to dial in your process to make a better reproducible product.

1:59:11Collin PalmerYeah, it gets me excited for the, you know, when you're, that's why, because it like, it like pulls the curtain back and you're like, oh, that's why I love this so much. There's so much awesome in this one. You know, like that's, that's how I learned that I loved awesome means so much, you know, like I would have never known that if I didn't see the panels, you know, like it's, it's cool.

1:59:32Collin PalmerIt's, it's, it's just, it is, you know, it's, It's a cool thing to see the reasons why you're attracted to certain things and what those chemical constituents are. And again, the panel doesn't give you the full picture. Let's just call that out. It gives you a snapshot of what might be there and in volume. Right. And I think that, you know, there's a lot to go and there's a lot of things that need to be developed.

2:00:00Collin PalmerI think the tool that Marcus brought on the other last episode was really cool because That kind of fixes in our, it solves for the R&D, I think, to get to that place to maybe be comfortable. But, you know, as you pointed out, I think there's a lot of things that need to be improved on it to, you know, truly work. And I think we agreed the price was one of them.

2:00:22Collin PalmerBut, you know, it's a step in the right direction, I think. And if more people were thinking like that, I think we'd be in a, You know, a better place in terms of what we think we have and, you know, profiles. And if you're making hash, you're making concentrates. Like for me, that's everything, man. I want to know.

2:00:43Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, there's a lot of variables in botanicals, you know, and and the analysis is super important and having. You know, the analytical capability, I mean, the chemistry is certainly well known and well documented.

2:01:06Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, yeah, I would think that like even making hash, I mean, to the point where you could look at like the THC concentration in your plants, right? THC concentration in your hash. You know, I'm just using THC concentration arbitrarily, but certainly the full cannabinoid profile that you can get.

2:01:31Collin PalmerYou know, Microns too. You can test, test each micron. Like we've done that. Exactly.

2:01:38BubblemanDude. And you don't have to say 1100 bucks per test.

2:01:42Etienne FontanThat's totally what I was really stoked on, dude.

2:01:44BubblemanThe first time I put bubble on this thing, it came back almost 68% THC. And it was, it was, there was only one rosin that we tested over the course of the evening. That was a little tiny bit higher. So this full melt bubble. I think it's

2:02:23BubblemanA grower and genetics. I think someone grew exceptional resin. In this case, anyway, I still smoked really nice dabs and saw really nice dabs that night. We know that high THC doesn't make it the best by any means. But I will say that that night, and I think I told this story already, but that night I I wanted to offer some dabs to these guys that were at the table with us.

2:02:52BubblemanSo I was pressing out a little of the full melt bubble in my hand. And there was like four of them. So I pulled out like instead of what I would do for one hit, I pulled out what I would do, you know, so each guy would get a hit. But I put my head down after passing it to him to let him, I just wanted him to feel the texture of the resin and the plasticity and the, you know, how you could actually touch it versus rosin.

2:03:14BubblemanYou can't really roll it in your fingers that easily. And he passed it over to the other guy who packed it in the bong, who gave it back to him. And all of a sudden he was taking this like 4X full melt, six star bubble rip, like a $30 fucking rip. And it utterly and completely destroyed this dude for like 15 minutes, which was amazing because he was like a rep for this brand, the Green Mile.

2:03:38BubblemanAnd he was like definitely not a lightweight. He didn't leave. He didn't get sick. He didn't turn white, but he definitely was like unable to To execute conversation and normal movement for about 50 minutes. Even when he came out, it was like, that was incredible. Like, oh my goodness. And then the guy who packed it felt so bad. And I said, dude, listen, you shouldn't feel bad.

2:03:58BubblemanYou packed a king's hit. The only thing I might feel bad about is that you didn't take it for yourself. You passed it to the random dude that was sitting next to you. So God bless you. I don't believe you had any nefarious reasons to do that. So sometimes a big grip comes out like that. What are you puffing on there, Colin? Some Bubsy? Some rosin?

2:04:20Collin PalmerYeah, this is some rosin. Oh my God, this is the square wave I've had in the freezer for a while. It's just got this beautiful gas, Chem-D almost to it. It's just really, it's very Chem-y.

2:04:38Dr Mark ScialdoneYou said something about THC content. I just want to echo this because we talked about this a couple of weeks ago and I think maybe it got lost. THC content does matter because THC content is a measure of trichome density. And what is known if you look at a rich, large data set is trichome density and THC content Scales literally with terpene content. So it makes sense, right?

2:05:09Dr Mark ScialdoneThe more trichomes you have, the more THC and the more terps you're going to have. So, so it does.

2:05:16BubblemanWell, I would, I would argue that because.

2:05:18Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

2:05:19Collin PalmerLet's talk about that.

2:05:20BubblemanYeah. The plant is like a lab and not all the labs create the same.

2:05:26Collin PalmerYeah.

2:05:27BubblemanSo some don't express well at all. And you could still have dense trichomes, but you don't get a lot of the aromatics or you don't like people have isolated resin glands to 99.9 purity and not gotten full melt bubble. They get sandy resin that doesn't stick together. And they always ask me, Why is that? And I'm like, because you have to either A, grow better weed, meaning grow it better, or both get genetics that have the gene synthesis present and turned on that you're looking for, and then grow that better.

2:06:01BubblemanThat's kind of the overall that I would say. What were your thoughts on that, Colin? I've never seen a COA match that.

2:06:09Collin PalmerIn terms of like theory, right? Like meaning like as the THC gets higher, the Terps follow it, right? Like I've seen 34% with like 1% Terps where, and then on the flip side, 17% THC and like 4% Terps, you know? And somewhere in between, but you know, the top end from what I've, you know, studied with Alec at SC Labs when I approached them, when I was working with Axe was- There is a formula here to what wins contests in terms of terp concentration and total active cannabinoids and THC.

2:06:47Collin PalmerAnd there's like years of data that's been aggregated to look at. And if you look at it, which I've done with Alec and you can see it, There, it's really, there's a lot, it's like Swiss cheese. There's a lot of holes in this. So it goes back to, I think what Marcus was touching on is like cultivation styles, genetics, how those genetics are grown. But I've never actually seen it as it gets, I've never seen like a 34% with like four to 5% terps before.

2:07:16Collin PalmerIt just doesn't exist. And it sounds, you know, and if there's guys out there that are like, No way they're throwing their hands up in the air. Show it to us. I'd love to see that in specifically a COA form, you know, because it's it's a rarity. And if you can, yo, I'll give you a big hug and let's smoke a bottle of that together. You know, like that's that's congratulations because you're of the one percent.

2:07:40Collin PalmerYou know what I mean? So I don't know. I but I understand in theory. Yeah. More of it gives it more of an opportunity to produce more of the other chemical constituents. But I also feel like the plant can only put energy into certain things. It doesn't it's not like a superhero where it's like we're doing it all at once. You know, shout out to Brad and Skelly at 710 Labs.

2:08:04Collin PalmerAwesome, guys. So, you know, I mean, that's just my learning of growing a lot of plants is that I rarely see that happen. And I would say that's a real unicorn in my life to see that. I don't know what you've seen guys, the rest of you, but it's usually the lower tack, you know, plants are producing higher terpene content. And those are, to me, the more desirable plants and other growers that I've talked to across the nation.

2:08:39Collin PalmerMost of them are not allowed to run some of their favorite varietals because of that. Like their favorite stuff is only sitting at like 20%, 22%. And that's, you know, unfortunately not what the consumer wants to hear, but the turf percentage is higher and the taste of it's better and the feeling of it's better. Right. So that's a big old slab. What's that, Mark? That looks crazy.

2:09:05Collin PalmerWhat is that?

2:09:07Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's like that piece of hash that I've had for like two years.

2:09:15Collin PalmerAre we showing our old hash? That looks great for old hash, man. That's pretty good for old hash, man.

2:09:21BubblemanAll right. Okay. Hey, this one has to be at least 13 years old. It might be 15, but I kind of lost track on this particular piece.

2:09:34Collin PalmerThat looks like it.

2:09:35BubblemanIs that purple?

2:09:39SpeakerIt's purple, right?

2:09:40BubblemanIt's purplish red, absolutely.

2:09:43SpeakerAnthocyanin.

2:09:45Collin PalmerYou know what I used to do back in the day, Marcus, when everybody was all hyped on color? The newer guys that would come work with us, I would give them dark resin that was super terpy. And they'd always like get tripped out like as to why I'd be giving you a product like this. They'd be like, what's up with you, man? And I'd be like, we'll just try it.

2:10:02Collin PalmerAnd then they always come back being like, that was incredible. I felt so good and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, yeah, that's just wanted to show you that like looks don't dictate much of anything. You just have to try it. You know?

2:10:14BubblemanWell, you know what? In a market where people only have their eyes, and in fact, in Canada, they don't even have that because you can't see anything. And Leslie, I went into a store the other day and they had all the smell jars, but you could just see the weed was like old and dry and they were just like, but here's the other thing in Canada, when you put all the jars out for smelling, they don't let you, they don't let you give that product out to your employees or sell it at half price.

2:10:45BubblemanIt has to be destroyed. So all of these stores that had the idea of putting the, the, cultivars in a jar so you could see the bud and smell it well it went out the door the but the smells were gone in five days and then if you're going to replace a whole store worth of buds every five days and you can't like get that back like you just that's just a margin killer oh i was like just like earlier when Dr. Mark was like, oh, no, you can't use fruit juice.

2:11:15BubblemanYou have to use like some sort of synthetic or fructose from corn or, you know, something that's shelf stable. And you didn't actually say exactly that, Dr. Mark. I'm actually just being the devil's advocate and being like, why is it that the systems constantly take us away from like, well, this would just be good and wholesome and wonderful to, well, this Possibly could get you to grow a tumor on your neck.

2:11:41BubblemanI don't know for sure, but it's a possibility. What the fuck are we doing in the world today in regards to, I think that I have a deep appreciation for science, much the way many of you do on the panel. I just think it needs to be like, there needs to be an aspect of science where all scientists understand That there are things that you are unable to perceive at this point in time.

2:12:10BubblemanAnd somehow we should keep that in mind as we're, you know, moving through the perception of the experiment.

2:12:21SpeakerAnd we're trying to dial it in. You guys are all practitioners of dialing it in. What is the optimum situation for the factories or the trichome to produce The cannabinoids we want to produce the terps. And I do think it's important that it's part of the life cycle. There is a harvest time that plays into what the resin is going to contain. It's how it's handled after harvest.

2:12:49SpeakerBut the idea that these factories are generating and maybe the fruit of the plant has a specific time when it maybe is optimally terpy. And it's maybe that is corresponds with the optimum THC expression with diversity pushing back into the younger compounds. And that has to do with are the things present that the plant wants to eat digest and metabolize to send to the factories and it's the same with us is do we want to receive our medicine emulsified and sugared and this all of these ways versus do we want to how do what is there an optimal way that we can ingest them so I like that.

2:13:39SpeakerI think a lot of people here do are pursuing like, okay, let's get this. Let's get this right. And it's with the user in mind. It's not necessarily always how does the industry want to volley this?

2:13:55Collin PalmerWell, the thing I think, Mark, Dr. Mark, you'd appreciate this. We did like a control study with Pax Labs like for I think 18 months where we brought actual live patients in to try a product and it was like low 18%, high 32 to 34, I think it's 34%, 32%, something like that. In every single one, it was like this opposite thing. They're like, well, I think this is lower in terms of experience.

2:14:20Collin PalmerI think this is the 18% and it was almost every single time. Maybe there's a few outliers that weren't. They just, they were, their perception was that the 18% made them higher and the 32% made them feel not as high. It was a really fascinating thing. And, um, yeah, I'll have to share it with you. We should chat about it. It was, it's pretty cool. It was just really interesting.

2:14:45Collin PalmerIt kind of, you know, wrapped, wrapped my head around this thought that we really have a lot of work to do and we just don't really know. Um, Further confused me in a lot of respect because, you know, we built this world that the higher it is, the better it is and better it's going to be and more beneficial it is, right? And I get that in theory, but the olfactory is fascinating, man.

2:15:12Collin PalmerYou know, it's like just threw me for a spin, you know what I mean? So let's leave it there, you know?

2:15:20BubblemanThat's an extra long joint you got there, Etienne.

2:15:24Collin PalmerHey, what are you smoking on, buddy?

2:15:26Etienne FontanUh, it's actually not extra long. It's just a regular raw classic long. Um, okay. And, um, I'm smoking some Maui Waui, but then I put in a Aloha smoothie. Yep. Aloha smoothie, a snake of this stuff from the Fire King. Um, And yeah, some 710 Labs fun stuff. I ate something bad that kind of messed with me. So I'm a little low and slow this morning, everybody.

2:15:58Etienne FontanSo sorry for the delay. Hope everybody's doing well. But this is this is something that we're discussing at the international level because see at the international level they want to irradiate everything. They do not feel cannabis should be on the market internationally without it being irradiated. And of course the studies I saw from Dr. Hazekamp showed that they're destroyed whereas currently the USDA is saying it does not.

2:16:24Etienne FontanSo I've seen Arno's uh Thank you for joining us.

2:16:49Etienne FontanThe consumer wants everything. You know, we can't pigeonhole our culture as well as societally what we want, right? You're always going to have those hash heads who want that highly turpinated, huh? You know, but I'd say that's less, that's a small percentage compared to, You know, the average person who just wants or drinks beer. You know, I'm talking the average neophyte, non-cannabis user, etc. I know I have a dispensary over the decades.

2:17:17Etienne FontanI've tried to pull back and only sell high quality. And people are like, no, I can't afford all high quality. So. Thank you for watching.

2:17:45Etienne FontanAnd I think you're correct, Colin, is that there's a lot of ignorance because we don't educate well. We've seen a steamrolling of change. I mean, look, we saw Rosin come out in 2017 and people can't even spell that or, you know, explain that correctly, right? Much less Intica and Sativa, which of course makes us all still cringe, right? So when we're talking about, you know, specific about what the consumer wants, from my experience, they want every aspect, which means we need everything to be educated and have that education, which currently we do not.

2:18:23Etienne FontanWe're missing gaping holes in, right? So the consumer is finding what they have access to, right? And I've seen studies recently that Women are preferring beverages, right? Whereas men tend to prefer smoking. You know, why is that, right? We've seen a cultural shift and change from a lot of us grew up, cigarette smoking was the norm. My grandmother used to call me a pussy for smoking anything less than a Pall Mall filter list.

2:18:51Etienne FontanMy grandmother, okay? So again, consumer, educate, et cetera, right? We do a terrible job of that. We do on the specific things we like, but there's so much willful ignorance out there Perpetuated by the leaf leaves, et cetera, that it's making it a problem for us to educate scientifically properly, right? We've seen that frustration. You've all had that conversation with, oh, what do you try this hybrid that I have?

2:19:21Etienne FontanAnd you go, right? So I don't know what the answer is, but we have to do. I have the answer to our education.

2:19:30BubblemanThe answer is that instead of educating people, we just have to do the thing that they're much more accepting of. Which is brainwashing them.

2:19:44BubblemanWe just need to be, we need to take this information and just brainwash the masses with it because I don't think the masses want to be educated, but they are avidly actively involved in the daily on the brainwashing side of things, just like gobbling it up from CNN and all these other agencies. Just, uh, that's crazy.

2:20:07SpeakerEvery time you hear something, your brain makes a copy. We are creatures of mimicry. Aren't we though? Somewhat. Somewhat intelligent. Front run it.

2:20:18Collin PalmerWell said, ATN.

2:20:19Etienne FontanWell, it's also fascinating how, you know, we still mix the, you know, we don't deal with the EU and their weights and measures. However, in cannabis, everything's by the gram. Everything's by the eighth. Everything's by the kilo. You know what I'm saying? So it's also very odd how, you know, even our willful ignorance, we bring in, you know, the metric system, right? And it's been completely part of the cannabis system since I've been involved way back in the day.

2:20:48Etienne FontanI measured out an eighth on my little scale, right? From the U.S. Postal Service, right? Remember those little clip on your hand, your baggy on? Oh, yeah.

2:20:56Collin PalmerYeah, yeah, yeah.

2:20:58Etienne FontanThe starter kit we all started on before we realized, oh, triple beams. Yeah, right. You know, so, you know, it's again, you know, how many people know what a triple beam is? Care about a triple beam, right? We cared because we were moving it, right? And we had to move it. And that better come out 454 or 455. I'm cool. 456, you know, whatever, you know, you better, better be fucking right.

2:21:21Etienne FontanIt can't be short, right? You know, so waste and measures we still have problems with, right? Because people are still putting it, putting in packaging at 12, 13, 14% humidity and people are still buying molded weed and it should be at 11%. So, yeah.

2:21:37BubblemanYou know what? We've, we've, a lot of the weed I tested with the NIR had that 12 to 13.8% moisture, but the active water was below 0.5%.

2:21:51BubblemanAnd, and mold doesn't really happen, I think, till 0.7 on active water. So it was, it was like, it was, it was, you know, it didn't grind the way we wanted it to. The unit is better when the weed is a little bit drier, but we definitely saw every single weed. We didn't see like a 10 or an 11% moisture.

2:22:14Collin PalmerYeah. Yeah. It's like a really well cured product. If you're hitting those numbers like that, someone knows exactly what they're doing, you know, or you're just lucky. But yeah, no, I think that's right. I mean, that's why, again, like at scale, you know, it's really hard to do this. Do it. You know, we all we all know that, you know. So it's you know, it's easy to forget that, you know, and it's everyone's got a triple B.

2:22:39Dr Mark ScialdoneRight.

2:22:40Collin PalmerYou still have a triple beam?

2:22:41Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I think I have it right over here. Hold on.

2:22:43BubblemanI missed my triple beam. Yeah, you got to go get your triple beam. I will say this. Anyone that had a triple beam in here, did you not steal that from your high school? Totally. I was just going to say that. Yeah, I did.

2:22:57Collin PalmerWhere do you buy those? You're not buying it.

2:22:59BubblemanNo, you did not buy it. Where the fuck did you buy a triple beam, dude, in the 80s?

2:23:05Etienne FontanOh, no, no, no. This is when I was at BPG. We were able to get them over at Annapurna in Berkeley downtown, right? Because that's how it was. In West Virginia, no, no, no. I did not have a triple beam. I had the old...

2:23:17BubblemanYour school did. Oh, yeah, the little fish...

2:23:20Etienne FontanNo, no, no, my school didn't because I graduated in a high school class of 19, public school. It didn't have a triple beam. I mean, we had babies in jars, don't get me wrong, but we didn't have a triple beam.

2:23:32Collin PalmerMine was a little different than that one, Mark, but I didn't have the hanging bird basket thing.

2:23:36BubblemanOh, wait, let's see it. Let me pin Mark because I've got it on.

2:23:40Etienne FontanThat's the centigram. That's the serious. I still have my O-House digital scout too, the black.

2:23:46BubblemanI had a black. There we go. He's pinned. There we go. Look at that. Look at that tripler. Bring that on tour, baby.

2:23:55Etienne FontanOh, house. I've never used one with the grams for that. I've always had the flat dish because we're dealing in kilos.

2:24:03Collin PalmerI wonder if we're going to start a vintage trend.

2:24:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI grabbed that when the college was going, you know, they wanted to go all digital and they're like, well, we want to just like throw these away. I'm like, throw these away. Are you kidding me? I just took one just to have it as a trophy.

2:24:21Etienne FontanWell, it's analog, right? I might need to get a triple beam tattoo, actually, because that's how it works.

2:24:27Dr Mark ScialdoneIt doesn't get any more analog than that, right?

2:24:31BubblemanIt works when the electricity doesn't. You know, when you really need to weigh kgs during the storm, triple beam O-House has your back. Yeah, exactly.

2:24:43Dr Mark ScialdoneExactly. Incredible.

2:24:45BubblemanI think we might get lucky and have Soma come and visit us here in maybe the next half an hour. Nice. Sounds like it's a possibility.

2:24:55Collin PalmerNice. I'd love to hear from Soma.

2:24:57Etienne FontanI'm glad he's out. I saw Yair and Ryan, a whole bunch of people on a boat the other day with Mila all cruising up and down in Amsterdam smoking. I can just about imagine the conversations. I saw Diane on there as well. So, yeah.

2:25:12BubblemanYep.

2:25:13Etienne FontanBrian was there. That was the boat of trouble I wanted to be on.

2:25:16BubblemanYeah, it looked pretty good, pretty good fun. I feel like that was like, oh, Doug was there from Hemp Works, who we were talking about earlier. I think it might have been DJ's birthday boat ride or something.

2:25:29Collin PalmerNice.

2:25:30BubblemanThat's an epic boat ride. Yeah, yeah, right? No, no, Doug's son DJ's turned 18. Oh, hell yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I think that is.

2:25:40Etienne FontanAnybody seen DJ Short? It's been a while since I've seen him.

2:25:43BubblemanDan? No, I haven't seen Dan in a long time. I feel like I reached out to him a while ago on like Facebook or something, but maybe didn't hear back from him. I can't remember.

2:25:55Collin PalmerI think his son is doing a lot of breeding now.

2:25:59Etienne FontanYeah, he used to come by BPG and shoot the shit. I missed it. It's been decades, but you know, it's That was always cool.

2:26:06BubblemanYeah, he came up a lot. He was close with Mark Emery in that when Mark had his original, you know, the magazine with the 22-page seat menu on the front, first 22 pages, Dan came up a lot back then. And I guess he worked with Steve and I can't really remember exactly. I definitely will never forget making hash with Dan on a school bus driving through the city of Vancouver, spinning the bucket manually.

2:26:32BubblemanThat was, that was unique.

2:26:35Etienne FontanSpeaking of, do you recommend if you're stirring, do you recommend a stainless steel stirrer or a plastic stirrer or does it matter?

2:26:43BubblemanWell, it kind of does matter to me for both reasons. So I worry about the stainless steel if you're rough and your bags have some type of coating and you're chipping the bags. That makes me nervous. I also am nervous if you're using a plastic unit and the plastic isn't hard enough and it's shedding as well. I feel like I could probably filter both of those things out, but I mean, I'm... What do you recommend?

2:27:14BubblemanWell, I mean, listen, I recommend machines that spin it for you because they do just as good of a job. Even those cheap plastic washers will wash beautiful We're going to talk a little bit about how to get your heads off of your plants. You can use a stainless steel unit from a commercial standpoint. Obviously, I recommend Whistler Technologies, the equipment that I use in a lot of my labs.

2:27:38BubblemanBut at the same time, it depends, right? It's a question like, are you recommending it to the masses? Thank you for watching.

2:28:08BubblemanSuggest stainless steel for hand spinning, you know, the paddle with a few holes in it so it has a little bit of less resistance and good bags that aren't going to shed if someone's sloppy with that thing. But man, I'll tell you, after hand spinning as much as I have in my life, I would be happy to never hand spin again. I'd be happy to just let a machine spin my water hash and filter it through.

2:28:35BubblemanBut I don't mind operating the bags, you know. I like filtering for the gold, but the actual this process of doing that for like 10 hours a day at the facility was three of us just like we'd spin for as long as we could. Okay, another one comes in. We're just like, dude, this is insane. Like we're going to destroy ourselves, our arms, our backs, like over months.

2:28:59BubblemanIt's the whole reason I finally came out with the labs, dude, because those bags were fucking killing us. We were pulling like 86 bags. Thank you for joining us.

2:29:33Collin PalmerYeah, the other, you can use, I mean, look, the, the bubble now bags, you know, get three of those in a 44, fill them up and, and spin those and then, you know, don't use a liner, you know, using the, the metal, metal will, will work really well, you know, it's just, you gotta be, you gotta be really careful. Yeah. You know, I'm like Marcus. I've paddled around the world a million times.

2:29:58Collin PalmerI'm good. Don't use a liner. Paddle down.

2:30:01BubblemanDude, look what people are sending me.

2:30:04Collin PalmerOh, hell yeah. That's the one I had, bro. Exactly.

2:30:07BubblemanThat's the high school one. I feel like Dr. Mark has like the older version than that.

2:30:13Collin PalmerYeah, or maybe the advanced version, I don't know.

2:30:16BubblemanI don't know.

2:30:17Etienne FontanThat's the advanced version for grams he has. The one we were using was for weight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His uses, I've also seen ones now that they're a step above, they're actually encased. And we would, you use that for our measurements, for our colors, for our dyes and stuff. When I was at Ecolution, we actually had to get one of those special ones and send it overseas.

2:30:41Etienne FontanBecause you're talking Microm, you know, you got to really be directly on. And that's, O-House is the best for that, right? So from the small to the big. So Dr. Mark, that type of O-House that you're using, what were you wearing that stuff? Is that like pills, all types of stuff? Because it looks like it's specifically for small stuff.

2:31:02Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, no, this is for an educational laboratory where students are weighing out, you know, grams of samples for conducting experiments in a teaching laboratory. Yeah, these aren't meant for, you know, manufacturer pharmaceuticals or anything like that. It's all

2:31:23BubblemanYou know, it's for weighing 2CB before the fish show at 10.

2:31:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, you know, who knows what they were making back in the day, right? But yeah, I mean, you know, there's... I don't know. I mean, I, I, there's certain like nostalgia when it comes to laboratory equipment. I still have a, I don't have it here. I think I have it at work. I still have an old slide rule, right? Do you got, are you, is anyone old enough to remember a slide rule before calculators?

2:31:56Dr Mark ScialdoneProbably not, right?

2:31:58SpeakerWhat about advocates?

2:32:00Etienne FontanI had advocates.

2:32:02Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, I remember I had an abacus, too, and I had an old Texas Instruments calculator that I remember when my dad got it cost hundreds of dollars. And I remember, yeah, I mean, bringing a calculator to school was actually not well, they It's kind of like the way that we with phones in classrooms now. I mean, if kids are taking tests, you know, we don't want them accessing the Internet to get the information for their tests.

2:32:34Dr Mark ScialdoneSo we don't usually let them have phones during tests. But yeah, I mean, just simple calculators. I mean, just to do, you know, long division and multiplication. I mean. I was in that first generation of students that were allowed to bring calculators. And when I first started doing computer programming, you remember I started college in 1981. I took a course in Fortran programming where this was before computer monitors and keyboards and mouses and all that shit.

2:33:09Dr Mark ScialdoneWe actually had to type out these cards and we had to, you know, type You know, computer commands into these cards and then bring a stack of these cards to the mainframe, which would have a card reader and you'd put your stack of cards through this card reader and the card reader would basically read all the cards and execute some computer program that you could probably do on an iPhone today, you know?

2:33:40Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, I mean, it's really cool. Is that all analog tape?

2:33:43Collin PalmerIs that like analog tape?

2:33:44Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat was it? I mean, this was truly analog because it was basically just computer cards. So I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember, but they used to be longer than an index card. And again, you'd have a whole stack of them and each stack would have different kind of cutouts, kind of like the hanging chads of a voter's ballot, right? So wherever the holes were, The computer card reader would know that that meant a certain code to run through the mainframe.

2:34:18Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, I mean, it's crazy. I mean, so I remember when computer monitors, when I first saw someone sitting behind a computer monitor, I'll never forget, it was in 1984. And it was, yeah, one of the professors had one of the first little Apple IIe's. I wrote my master's dissertation on a small little Apple IIe playing the little golf game that they used to have on there.

2:34:48Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, just, you know, what's happened in our lifetime. And man, I don't know if you guys watch, Bill Maher, but a couple of weeks ago, he had a guy who was predicting that, you know, AI, what AI is going to do just in the next handful of years, he predicts between five and 10 years, it's just going to completely revolutionize and change just about everything we do from Brian groceries, the grocery store to the way you pay your electric bill.

2:35:20Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us.

2:35:40Dr Mark ScialdoneIn a pretty profound way. And it's kind of like, you know, for a lot of things like drug and drug design, like when we started first doing rational design in the 1980s, it's when computing power got strong enough that we could actually look Thank you for joining us.

2:36:18Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd using, you know, neural algorithms and genetic algorithms to basically, you know, take like not just one compound and one receptor, but take, you know, an Avogadro's number of compounds and an Avogadro's number of acceptor, you know, large data sets and to have them go through and, you know, doc 10 compounds and then doc 10 new more and then I mean, try to figure out how to optimize the way molecules sit inside proteins has been really huge.

2:36:52Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, a lot of drugs are gonna be discovered this way. And yeah, who knows what else is going to happen. You'd think like, you know, with all this rumble you hear about with air traffic control down here in the States, you know, the Doge people went through and trimmed a lot of air traffic control and the FAA and all that stuff.

2:37:14Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd now there's supposedly, you know, large metropolitan areas like the New York City metropolitan area where one of the three airports, Newark airports got, you know, real, you know, shaky at best. You know, radar systems to basically watch the planes coming in. You think that, you know, again, AI or something would be able to solve those kinds of data problems. Because if you ever look at any one time, and I think there's a there's a website that looks at look at how many planes are in the air.

2:37:49Dr Mark ScialdoneOver the United States and Canada at any one time, literally thousands of planes. I mean, just in a densely populated area like New York City, you'd figure they'd have some type of AI algorithm trying to figure out Thank you for joining us.

2:38:24Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, impact growing and production of cannabis. Someone was telling me, I saw this guy talk about it at BizCon, that there is an AI program that will look at like your nutrients and will look at your sun or your light levels and try to dial things in a little bit quicker, a little bit better.

2:38:47BubblemanIf you want to link up with the ultimate AI, my brother Soma has it.

2:38:53SpeakerBig ups to human intelligence.

2:38:56BubblemanIt's the Bufo AI. Good to see you, Soma, man. Good to see you, too. Good to see all of you.

2:39:03SpeakerBut the ultimate AI is inside you. It's not outside. That's the only way AI gets anything good is from inside each one of us. But the real AI is within.

2:39:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, that's not artificial though, right? Artificial.

2:39:26SpeakerSometimes you have to get close to a near-death experience to make the difference. And I just had one. I was about to say, speaking of near-death experiences, welcome back.

2:39:40BubblemanSeriously, how are you now?

2:39:42SpeakerI'm good. I get better every day. But it's weird having a stroke and seizures because you lose part of your memory for a while. That's the hardest part of it. And I'm getting it back more every day. Every day.

2:39:57BubblemanWell, you look good. You sound good.

2:39:59SpeakerWell, I got some sun on the roof.

2:40:02BubblemanOh, nice.

2:40:03SpeakerNice.

2:40:04BubblemanYeah, that was sort of scary, man. You know, that was, geez, no, no, Soma, come on.

2:40:11SpeakerWell, everybody thinking thoughts like that. Come on. Help me. Come on. Help me. Like, this is one of the times where I really noticed all the outside prayers and good thoughts sent to me because it was overwhelming. That's the only reason I'm on here talking.

2:40:28BubblemanI swear. Yeah, well, it's good to have you, dude. Really good to have you. It's incredible.

2:40:35Etienne FontanYeah, we sent lots of love out, man, because, yeah, once we were a community pulled together and sent our energies, I'm glad they were received. I'm glad they were well, and thanks to the doctors and nurses and everybody who made that possible.

2:40:48SpeakerYeah, they helped me a lot. And I turned all those doctors and nurses and other patients onto the concept of cannabis as a healer. And I did a good job with everybody I connected in here. It was part of it. Nice. Spreading the good word.

2:41:07BubblemanSpreading the good word.

2:41:09SpeakerOffering the coolest ones to come do Bufo with you. Everyone turn to the rising sun and pray Soma. No shit. I felt it. It's a nice thing to feel. Especially when you get to my age, man.

2:41:30Etienne FontanI wouldn't expect you to do anything less than in even in your time of near death to you to still be educating the doctors and nurses.

2:41:37BubblemanYes.

2:41:39Etienne FontanThat's awesome.

2:41:45SpeakerAnd I was also doing my candy at night. Oh, yeah, of course you were. With the brittle.

2:41:56Etienne FontanWhat a great batch of it I had.

2:42:00SpeakerIt was really the batch that I needed right then.

2:42:04BubblemanOh, really? Live hash rosin, super potent? Yeah. And delicious.

2:42:11SpeakerHow do you make this brittle? I make it with...

2:42:17SpeakerThis one I made with five grams of exquisite full melt water hash. This water hash was DMO. And then I also added a gram and a half of really good rosin to it. And I melted that in a... I lost you.

2:42:39BubblemanNo, you're here. I'm just putting our video on that we did 10 years ago together in your apartment of you making the brittle. Yeah.

2:42:50SpeakerI pretty much make it the same way, except I have better THC ingredients these days to add to it.

2:42:57BubblemanRight. Yeah, dude, I'm so, this video has over 40,000 views on it, man. Yeah, 10 years ago, dude.

2:43:06SpeakerI'm telling you, what a great thing to have in the hospital.

2:43:11BubblemanNo doubt. No doubt.

2:43:13Collin PalmerWe were just talking about that earlier. I love that you documented the process, Marcus.

2:43:18BubblemanOh, yeah, dude. And to be honest, it's funny because that video is 10 years old. I remember filming that video with someone being like, dude, I've known you for so long. Like, let's film a video. What the fuck?

2:43:30SpeakerSince at least 2001 or two.

2:43:33BubblemanYeah, yeah. Like that video was already, even though it's 10 years ago, it was still like we'd already known each other for 15 years before we filmed that video.

2:43:42SpeakerYeah.

2:43:42BubblemanSo it wasn't like I just met someone.

2:43:44SpeakerNo.

2:43:45BubblemanFilm a video with them. I was, when I first met Soma, we were not filming the majority of what we were doing. We were just like smoking that shit.

2:43:56SpeakerSmoking that shit, exactly. And finding the best way to get the best of it.

2:44:01BubblemanExactly. And without shadow of a doubt, dude, like, you were always one of my first stops in Amsterdam. I was like, I'll go see Soma.

2:44:10SpeakerAnd you were one of my first waiting for your stops.

2:44:13BubblemanWell, I think they finished it in 2018 and they started it.

2:44:44Speaker2004. Yeah.

2:44:47BubblemanYeah. Holy Christ. At 14 years. That's bonkers. Totally bonkers. I will send you that video, Etienne, if you like. I will put it into our chat.

2:44:58Etienne FontanOh, yes, please.

2:44:59BubblemanAnd I will also put it in the YouTube chat. So if today you have nothing wonderful to do, you could put this on your agenda. Make SOMAs brittle. And there's the recipe of Soma himself.

2:45:15Etienne FontanI love learning recipes, especially things that I can get into hospitals and into people. And if that's something that's a, it looks healthy with the pistachios and the nuts, et cetera, you know, positive for THC, but I don't mind.

2:45:33BubblemanYeah, the one you made, was it, it was a medicated one, wasn't it? Well, they're all medicated. Yeah, yeah. Hash infused. Of course it was.

2:45:41SpeakerYeah.

2:45:44BubblemanOh, yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. That's some yummy stuff. You gave me some last time I was there and I ate it all and I ended up very nicely baked on the plane. On the airplane or before? I ate it before I got on the airplane. Yeah, luckily, luckily, I will say that the only people that don't like doing that are the people who have had the experience of like getting stuck on the tarmac for six hours or having some other sort of crazy, inconvenient, like, oh, wait, what's happening?

2:46:19BubblemanIt's like, oh, apparently the plane is landing in America. What?

2:46:29Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, perfect for me.

2:46:31BubblemanOh shit customs. Yeah, you know, I don't fly over the US very often. I usually fly around it. Hopefully that'll all change when I get my waiver. But when I flew to Jamaica, every single time you're flying like pretty much right over the entire country, the eastern starboard of America. So I always wondered what would happen if the plane just had to be, it had to land and Like there's this sort of emergency or like, are you still like, they're going to treat you like, oh, you just came to our country.

2:47:01BubblemanWe're going to run everyone's names. We're going to pull anyone off that plane that's not supposed to be there. Damn. That would suck. So tell us a little bit about getting better, Soma. I mean, you obviously, you said you had, did you say it was like a stroke?

2:47:18SpeakerYeah, I guess so. Because they tried to figure it out in the beginning. I had a, it was on my right side. My right arm and my hand couldn't stop moving. You know, I'm trying to direct the, you know, it was just nonstop going like that only on my right side. And I totally lost control of my speech. And then after that, I started losing some portions of my memory where like a person would come to visit me that I've known for 10 years in the hospital.

2:47:53SpeakerAnd at first I couldn't remember their name. It was just, I couldn't grab it. I'd come back home and I'd look at a bunch of these crystals and there was a few I couldn't remember the name of. Crystals I've been with over 20 years. And it was amazing to me how my memory can go blank in a spot. And then since I've been home 17 days now, I've been watching it come back in portions.

2:48:27SpeakerAnd that's the kind of beautiful way to watch yourself here, to watch your memory come back.

2:48:33BubblemanYeah. So you don't really lose the memories. You lose access to the memories.

2:48:39SpeakerExactly. That's the perfect way to say it. Because the memories are there forever. You just have to remember how to access it. Yeah. And smoking cannabis. These days I've been home. Smoking cash, cannabis, rosin has helped me access it better.

2:49:03Etienne FontanMichael Pollan wrote specifically about how also psilocybin mushrooms help connect aging neurons as well as disconnected neurons to reconnect again.

2:49:14SpeakerYes, and also bufo.

2:49:18Etienne FontanAnd of course bufo. Yes.

2:49:26SpeakerHow do you ingest your bufo? You smoke one big pop in a glass pipe and you don't blow it out. You kind of swallow it and you just let it do its thing for 10, 15 minutes. You just relax and it takes it to the other side. Making you think, making you really think deeply that that's where you went, the other side, you ain't on this side no more.

2:49:58SpeakerAnd you start to think about, wow, what would it be if I just actually didn't have a near-death experience, but I had my death experience and I'm saying goodbye to the whole physical reality I know. Every possession, every loved one, Every ego trip, every whatever, it's like you're standing in front of a mirror and you're standing in front of the mirror and all of a sudden you're looking at yourself totally naked without anything on you, without any jewelry, without nothing, not even dreadlocks.

2:50:41SpeakerAnd then

2:50:45SpeakerThat's the answer to everything. And you finally realize that this physical vessel we're in, there's way more to it. This is just one part of it. And it's a short part of it because we have this internal soul that we connect with. And there's a few ways to access it before we actually go there. And cannabis is one. Great cannabis. When you, when you nod out and go out and you leave your body and you don't, you don't know you fell asleep those times, you access it then too.

2:51:25BubblemanWell, you've definitely had some experiences over the years of accessing it. That is for sure.

2:51:30SpeakerYeah. Holy shit. Yeah, there's 122 mushroom teas here, group teas, with 22 people in one, in a big circle around, around this altar. And, Boy, did I learn a lot about myself and everybody else and everybody. Wow. That's beautiful to recognize is that ganja when eating, you know, the right ganja eaten in the proper amounts can take you to that infinity, infinite now moment. Yes. Other things and really entheogenically plug you into God and yourself.

2:52:09SpeakerThis is a gentle way. And it's great to watch yourself heal from it. Really. Not just what we say, get high from it, but to watch yourself do deep healing with Gandhi.

2:52:26BubblemanYeah, that's incredible, dude. Just got a little message from Wade. He's not doing so well today. He's not going to be able to come in, but... He's looking forward to listening to the show. So if you guys want to send some love Wade's way right now.

2:52:42SpeakerSure. Man, that's effective stuff.

2:52:50BubblemanYeah.

2:52:52SpeakerAbsolutely. Absolutely.

2:53:00BubblemanAll right. Well, I think it's time for some more dabs. I got a bunch of nice dabs from Mark yesterday. He hooked me up with this sauce rosin labs. I really love the grease bucket. I don't know why. It's just got this fruity, lovely taste to it. But he also gave me this poison purple OG thing. And it's quite lovely as well.

2:53:24SpeakerI got a Wilson one as well, but I think we're going to hit this one.

2:53:29BubblemanGive it a little dab of dew.

2:53:31SpeakerI'm going to try some of this one. You're getting some of it. Let me see where, yeah.

2:53:37BubblemanAll right.

2:53:40SpeakerThat's greasy. Yeah. Lorenzo helped me out. Oh, Lorenzo.

2:53:50BubblemanWhat a good brother.

2:53:51SpeakerYeah. He came to the hospital two times to see me and like three times since I came out. He brought his two pickles over yesterday with a giant donut.

2:54:06BubblemanHell yeah, he did.

2:54:09SpeakerSo I will share this. I will share this tale of, you know, the first time I was able to get something from my garden in a extracted way and consume maybe 500 milligrams of it. I definitely, you know, this realm or pursuing connecting, connecting to God, connecting to myself, you know, going into the state, seeking these entheogenic experiences, you know, I'm familiar with some of those spaces, but the surprise of me Uh to to realize that really what ganja is is uh essentially at the right amounts and the micro amounts can run the body can function as a nutrient and at higher amounts can take your forest can help you melt into your garden Take the tree and build the fractal spiral.

2:55:11SpeakerHave you looking dry mouth? Have you looking water's not helping? A little bit of vinegar, a little bit of citrus, and all of a sudden the body activates and it's gushing. And then breast, sleep and healing. This was an aha moment of... I can't believe they're permitting people to have this because this is. Yes. That is game. Can you believe that a bunch of politicians got together in 1937 and all of a sudden like pushed it that it was a bad thing when it was the most healing, helpful plant on the entire earth.

2:55:53SpeakerAnd we let them get away with it. But we have to stop them being able to get away from it. It should be a good time where they can't get away from it anymore. You know, in the back from people keeping the direct access to what is away from everyone and making it a cult or leaving boundaries or regulation. All of this is very corrupt, should be criminal.

2:56:19SpeakerNot this shirt I'm wearing was made in Japan. But it's 100% hemp.

2:56:26BubblemanThat's beautiful.

2:56:27SpeakerLower on my pants.

2:56:29BubblemanIs that from your Japanese homies that you're going to do Bufo with after I've left you?

2:56:34SpeakerOh, I've done Bufo with a lot of my Japanese homies, including the guy who owns this Japanese scissor company, like excellent cannabis clippers. Sick. Very cool. Japanese steel. Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

2:56:57SpeakerAre those your dogs in the background? Yeah, these are our pups. We have our male of Charka, this Caucasian shepherd and a Swiss shepherd. And we have 20 years of wolves. We moved out to the forest to California and brought some wolves. So we've been doing this for a while. We have five puppies left to rehome. And so part of my purpose here is finding them good homes.

2:57:24SpeakerSome hash church goers already contacted me. So I'm very happy to find excellent places. These dogs are amazing and they come from a very loving place. I posted this picture on Facebook, I think a week ago. It's a picture of this elder American Indian. I mean, older than me, at least 90 probably he looks like. And those Indians back in the day, they kept wolves as pets.

2:57:57SpeakerTotally friendly with them. They weren't afraid of them. It wasn't a big, bad wolf. It was a great friendly wolf back then. Kind, kind is the word. Learning from the rule. And caring, protecting. Family, communicators, you know, the 10% that give the bad name of the, you know. There's so many things, including cannabis, you know. That's right. They give it a bad light and it gets misled like crazy.

2:58:26SpeakerThat's right. This essential intelligence and family member, trying to really speak to that, you know, people don't want to hear where we're raised with the big bad wolf. You know, I have a snake. My snake is 25 years old. I got her when she was a year old. So it's the longest I've ever had a pet. And I am so close with her. I mean, even if you look at this painting in back of me, she's around my neck.

2:59:02SpeakerCan you see it? You've had that snake forever. Yeah, I've had that snake since 2001. And I've realized, you know, with me, just like your half-wolf or part-wolf dogs, me and animals have such a deep connection, have such a A wonderful connection. All the animals I've ever dealt with in my life. I've loved them all so much. And I've had 12 different dogs in my life. In this house, I had 61 Siberian forest cats born.

2:59:39SpeakerAnd I ended up keeping 13 of them. I had 13 cats at one time in this house. I remember. Yeah.

2:59:48BubblemanWow. Beautiful cats. Oh my goodness.

2:59:51SpeakerAnd now I have one British Shorthair. His name is Smokey and he's gray. What an amazing cat. Dogs are wolves. They're all, they're all canis lupus, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Humans are the same way. We become feral and wolfy if we're left to our own device in the forest. And you have to really work. And the benefit of socializing and communicating, I mean, that's something the wolves do and the dogs do.

3:00:23SpeakerAnd so I love that. I love the family and what you're talking about, your relationship, your caretaker. My daughter will be 49 years old on August 11th this year. And my son is 12 years old.

3:00:43BubblemanGood, good, good gap.

3:00:46SpeakerYeah, Willow and Jake. And then I got my three grandchildren. My oldest granddaughter, Lexis, she's 24. My grandson will be 20 on June 20th. And my granddaughter Sativa will be 17 on September 17th. Wild. That's crazy.

3:01:09BubblemanWhen I met Soma, Lexi was like just born.

3:01:16SpeakerShe was born in 2000.

3:01:18BubblemanYeah, because I brought my daughter the next year and she was just born in 2001. So there's pictures of my daughter Trinity and your granddaughter Lexi. Yeah, Trinity's 24 this year. She's 24 right now. Yeah, it's gonna be cool. I was talking to it with someone the other day too, because when we had Trinity in 2001, And Breeders Steve had his daughter in 2001, same month or maybe 12 days apart.

3:01:51BubblemanAnd then Scott Blakey, Shanti Baba also had a daughter, same year, same 30-day period. And we were all in Lugano and Ticino at like the same time. So it was like we all three had just had our first child and they were all daughters. So just a neat little thing that played out.

3:02:11SpeakerLugano is the first place I ever across a table was able to access ganja. And it was in a little florist shop on a cork board that they, if you asked right correctly, they'd lift up and it was labeled potpourri.

3:02:27SpeakerOnly for potpourri purpose.

3:02:30BubblemanOr hemp bags. And so what year was that? 01, 02, 03? Oh, that was 03, 02, 03.

3:02:35SpeakerOkay. Yeah.

3:02:41SpeakerI got busted in Switzerland in 2002. Oh, shit. With Chris Iverson making that movie.

3:02:51BubblemanNo, see, I left that place, dude. I was staying there with Pete Brady from Cannabis Culture. Got him a bunch of shots. That was in Valhusen.

3:03:04BubblemanThat's where Chris Iverson had that giant like multi-football field size thing.

3:03:08SpeakerYeah, that's where I was. I was helping harvest that stuff. Right. Filming it all. And the psychedelic trance party. And a bunch of other people. And I think it's all safe. Next thing I know, the cops made us chop it all down. Didn't arrest any of us. They just made us. It was gone with the wind. Okay, you want to know what's something even crazier, Soma?

3:03:36BubblemanLike I was there two weeks prior. Lucky. And well, yeah, for sure. And the Swiss police actually came to his place. And they knocked on the door and I was like, what the fuck? So I was like staying upstairs in the loft. Wow. And the doors kind of opened. So I just looked down. And the police were like, oh, hello, blah, blah, blah, super friendly.

3:04:00Collin PalmerI was just like, what the fuck?

3:04:04BubblemanSo they're like, we will come back in two weeks and count the plants and make sure.

3:04:10SpeakerAnd we actually told them we're making a movie and they kind of, that was one of the things that saved us because it was a professional operation and we weren't going to smoke it. We were going to cut it down. It was just props. And somehow they went with it, except we were sorry that we lost the plans, but it saved our ass. And there was like, there was about 20 of us there when the cops came.

3:04:36BubblemanNo, I know. Listen, I was there literally days before you arrived and I got out of there and I went down south to Lugano to go see Breeders Steve and hang out there for a bit. Lucky for you. Yeah, it was the right choice. Yeah, because the other thing was that party of his was this big psychedelic trance party that they were going to film this psychedelic trance party, harvest all these plants.

3:05:04BubblemanEverything sounded great right up until the point where the Swiss authorities were asking everyone for their passports.

3:05:13SpeakerYes.

3:05:14BubblemanSo you got caught up in that one, eh?

3:05:16SpeakerYes, that's nice of you. That you remember getting slightly caught up in it. I just remember it all going down. Anything I got caught up in at this point in my life, like anything not so good like that or great, it doesn't matter what happens to me at this point. I swear, even though I stopped breathing, because everything teaches me something powerful and good that I need to learn.

3:05:43SpeakerIt's like when I was just in the hospital. Now I'm recovering from a stroke. You know how many people actually do good at recovering from a stroke? It's insane, dude.

3:05:56BubblemanYes. It's pretty incredible for sure that you're here talking, sounding exactly like you, sharp as ever.

3:06:04SpeakerAnd in my teeth, so I'm lisping on a few words, but my memory and my consciousness is coming back clearer and clearer. Thanks so much. Well, we're glad. Just sending me great thoughts and everything else. Of course, man. The greatest of thoughts.

3:06:22BubblemanIt's good to keep our community members and elders healthy and alive. Yes. You know, and strokes are scary. That's...

3:06:34SpeakerLosing your memory is the scariest part because unless you have good friends around you, good family around you, to refresh your memory a little bit... You can't even remember the first of your days in the hospital.

3:06:51SpeakerYeah, it's heavy, dude. It was heavy.

3:06:56BubblemanWell, I'm glad you're getting better. Seems like you're definitely on par for moving in the right direction. This was only like 17 or 18 days ago. I remember it was some like five or six or seven days of kind of worry though, right?

3:07:11SpeakerYeah, because they put me in for like four or five days. And then May 5th came, which is like a day that nobody works in Holland. It's a special day. And many doctors and nurses aren't on that day. So they couldn't quite figure out what was happening with me. So they sent me back home for a day. And then I started having the seizures worse. And then the ambulance came back and took me back.

3:07:44SpeakerWow. You don't seem like someone who maybe took a certain jab, but do you have an idea of what was, what came to head in your body that caused blockage or? Well, in 2023, I had, the reason I don't have any teeth now, It's because I had my last nine bottom teeth pulled out at one time by my friend, who's my dentist for a long time, because when I went to the hospital, they said I had a bacteria in my blood from my gums.

3:08:24SpeakerAnd the only way I could stop it from increasing was to have the last of my teeth taken out, which I did. But then after that, I had to take 41 days In my left arm of intravenous penicillin. I never did anything like that to kill the bacteria in my blood. That was weird having intravenous for 41 straight days. And I actually would go outside like eight of those last days with a portable unit that would keep me on it.

3:09:01SpeakerAnd friends would come to visit me on the outside part where everybody would smoke cigarettes and We smoked joints eight times. Nobody told us stop. They knew I was a medical user, but it blew my mind that because they can see you when you're outside at the counter in the hospital, they can see who's there, what they're doing. And I had long dreadlocks at the time. And that was cool.

3:09:34SpeakerAnd I also smoked outside of the other hospital. A pen, you know, when everybody was smoking cigarettes and stuff. So I was always on cannabis in one way or another, no matter what. It's amazing they're injecting you with something that's going to wipe out much of what makes you Soma. You know, they're putting that in and you're still, we're coming from a place of being thankful to be permitted.

3:10:00SpeakerSo yeah, it's wild. And we started today talking about broad spectrum antibiotic as a solution for, instead of edifying the body's immune system and ability to attack bacteria as itself and somewhat causing the problem that it's trying to solve sometimes. Yes. But I also recognize this visit to the hospital that No matter what bad side effects, some are worse than others, pharmaceuticals have, they help you heal sometimes.

3:10:39SpeakerLike me right now, they definitely helped me with the epilepsy thing and the seizures. I can't say they didn't. As well as cannabis and as well as good thoughts and prayers, all that mixed together helped me heal and continues to help me heal.

3:10:57SpeakerSince I'm having to take so many pills every day right now for right now, now it's down to 11 pills a day at different times. I have to give it a partly thumbs up instead of always giving it a thumbs down. Now I have to give it a slight thumbs up because I can't deny that it helped me. It's a weird feeling to have because I was one of the Most intense people for no pharmaceuticals.

3:11:31SpeakerMy whole life. David Wolf is a good friend of mine. He's totally against it. He's going to come visit me soon, but I'm amazed that I got this more positive feeling from him on this visit.

3:11:49BubblemanYeah, Wade's come in and talked about it quite a bit as well on his journey. You know, I think it's easier to be against something when you don't necessarily need it. And then it becomes a little harder to be against something when suddenly it's like, like, I always say it like this. I always say, you know, if I had something weird and mysterious, I probably wouldn't go to the mainstream doctors to figure out what it was.

3:12:14BubblemanBut I will say that if I tore my arm off today, Like, I would go to the hospital for sure. Like, they have the bomb-ass trauma center. They'll put that arm back on.

3:12:26SpeakerThey got some amazing experience, man. No shit. Oh, shit.

3:12:32BubblemanPharmaceuticals do scare me, you know, and the mentality of the pharmaceutical cartel does scare me, but... It can't all be that. It has to, there has to be some level. It has to be doing something for someone somewhere. I don't take them myself, but I'm blessed enough at this point to be young enough and healthy enough in my life that I don't have to, but I'm not beyond, you know, the idea or concept that I could get unhealthier as I get older and have something happen where, you know, Maybe or maybe not, I will appreciate that.

3:13:10BubblemanIt's really hard to say. I've thought about it differently since Wade's come in and talked about his cancer treatment and all the stuff that he's going through. And Wade always has such a touching way of sharing these things and such a vulnerable way of sharing these things that you just kind of see a different perspective.

3:13:29SpeakerAnd you think of Dave Watson, our great friend, like he didn't get his insulin on time. Because Diana wasn't there. Like, sometimes from pharmaceuticals, they can make you get trapped, where if you don't get it, when you're supposed to get it, you've been, you're in a jail, you didn't know it. And then you broke out of it by accident and you died. And then very much the idea of a biocide versus, you know, applying things that increase the healthy biome and, you know, think of a plant in the forest.

3:14:10SpeakerYou wouldn't... The lab, you wouldn't treat it with bleach and things that are going to wipe everything away. This somewhat brings the hop latent in. This invites in when you, you know, this invites in all of the bacteria's viruses that become dominant because the natural things that would prey and digest them are not present. And so the idea of treating with life Treating the body, treating the plants with diversity and things that edify life and things that are eaten and become metabolites for the immune systems.

3:14:54SpeakerLike this is, you know, this is future. This is no less scientific than suggesting a biocide be applied or an antibiotic or, and there are times when you gotta get in there and start fresh. I, I, I want to recognize that, but, but, The body does know how. The plants do. They are set up. Their intelligence is inherent. And so is ours. That's what we're kind of discussing.

3:15:25SpeakerThere's fear around assuming that much of modern medicine is a biocide. Much of it is the ozempics, the diabetes medicines. These are oxalates condensed. And these are things that decrease the body's ability to absorb nutrient. A lot of the S, all of these things like limiting or limiters or killers in some way. Yes, that's the dark side. That's the dark side of it.

3:15:59Archive SeedsBut there's also...

3:16:01SpeakerIt's about application.

3:16:02Archive SeedsIt's the bright side. There's an application for everything, but whether or not it's long-term dangerous or if the cure ends up creating more problems down the road than the original. Exactly, exactly.

3:16:21BubblemanYeah, well, it's a it's it's one that you just have to make it all available once again and let people choose what they how they want to go about it. You know, I was it was a while ago now, but my son had a little friend who had leukemia when she was like six or seven. And I wanted to get her all this cannabis information. And they were like, oh, thank you.

3:16:41BubblemanYou know, we'll definitely look at that. But they really went like through the Children's Hospital. They went that whole pathway. And, you know, she went through radiation and chemotherapy and all of that stuff. And she survived the cancer through what, through the ways that she did it. She's an awesome girl. She certainly doesn't look like, no one would ever look at her and think she has been held back in some way.

3:17:07BubblemanLike she's the same. She's as tall as all the other kids. Yeah. She's just super dynamic because she went through Such a humbling experience, you know, facing her own mortality. She's just the kindest little girl, just the most humble, humble spirit that doesn't get caught up in any of the other stuff that the kids do. So I'm always just happy to have Maylee around, being like a great influence on my son and the rest of the kids, you know, at now 10 years old.

3:17:39BubblemanSo there are some good stories. Life.

3:17:42SpeakerLife is vigorous and it will survive in spite of a lot of our intentions and treatments.

3:17:49BubblemanIt's like a... Well, I always said that, you know, people were using like the Rick Simpson oil made with like naphtha or isopropanol. And I was like, there has to be some type of toxins in there. But it's like, yeah, but it's still like actually helping people beat cancer and other things. So...

3:18:10Etienne FontanI just want to say to you, good on being a good bubble dad and exposing your children to alternative lives and lifestyles and changes. As somebody who grew up with a challenged individual, actually my father born blind and my brother was born blind without eyeballs. So I was dealing with a lot of challenged situations and I would watch people Hide their children from my brother and other things like that to try to shield them where I would watch other people walk backwards in front of me staring at my brother because he looks physically like a circus freak to people which is very frustrating and angering to me but I had to grow up in southern Louisiana and deal with the humility of taking him and then Thank you.

3:19:00Etienne FontanThank you. Thank you.

3:19:29SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

3:19:50SpeakerBut that's not the only practice. Just this idea that these things are essential for our immune system. The endocannabinoid system could be renamed our anti-inflammatory immune system, and it would still be accurate. So yeah, big ups, people who look for non-toxic, most healthy ways to treat themselves. This is, should be supported.

3:20:19Archive SeedsHey, Marcus, one of the things that I wanted to mention, and ATN's story just kind of made me think about it too, is what we were discussing where we, you know, kind of how we did with Rob, where we kind of, you know, keep church on, you know, someone's story or subject or whatever, and especially the panelists, and maybe that kind of brings some of the stories and gives a little bit more insight Insight and kind of a continuity for some of the viewers about the history and people's particular stories.

3:20:53Archive SeedsAnd we kind of stay on track of of getting to know people a little bit better and kind of get a little bit more insight.

3:21:01BubblemanYeah, no, I like that idea a lot, man. It definitely was great with Rob. That episode was awesome. Definitely, it's true too because, you know, Rob in particular even, he's not overly wanting to like share for hours. We really had to kind of pull it out.

3:21:17SpeakerThree hours on the boat.

3:21:21BubblemanYeah, how was that, Soma?

3:21:23SpeakerIt was great. I was sitting next to him on one side and Mila on the other side and a bunch of other cool people around.

3:21:31BubblemanYeah, I saw the nose was there and I saw that Dougie's, was that DJ's birthday boat ride or was that something different?

3:21:39SpeakerWell, Dougie was on it. I don't think it was his birthday. Maybe I'm wrong, but he was definitely on.

3:21:48BubblemanAwesome. Yeah, no, I saw the whole crew there.

3:21:51SpeakerAnd we were allowed to smoke on that boat. That doesn't happen very often.

3:21:59BubblemanYeah. What up? Can you imagine being on a boat in Amsterdam? You'd be like, I'm just going to light up a spliff. And the guy going, you can't smoke on the boat in Amsterdam.

3:22:09SpeakerPeople were watching us from the street as we were going by. Smoke coming out the back, you know? That's awesome.

3:22:19Etienne FontanThe boat is on fire. Somebody get a fire extinguisher. The boat must be on fire.

3:22:27BubblemanWell, I will say that one time at about 2am in a Wendy's parking lot in my 1974 orange Westfalia Volkswagen van, my dear, dear Volkswagen van, I had a session with my friends that was so hard and heavy that when we opened the side door, And the smoke came out of it. And yes, this is the actual van. And that's me standing in front of it. When I opened that side door, I'm telling you.

3:22:58BubblemanLook at that coat. Yeah, that's an old hemp coat from Manitoba. When I opened that door. The smoke that came out was so intense that a fire truck just happened to be driving down the highway in front of the parking lot. And they turned around, put on their lights and absolutely thought the van was on fire when they pulled up and they got a big kick out of it and laughed hard.

3:23:20BubblemanIt's when I realized at that time in my life that the fire department is cooler than the police departments. That was my revelation that day.

3:23:31Etienne FontanDid they teach you the term hotboxing?

3:23:34BubblemanWell, we were the hotbox champions, dude. At that time, I had already hotboxed my friend into the hospital. And while he was at the hospital, he was asked, were you in a house fire? Because he had suffered minor smoke inhalation. I'm not even making this up. I'll never forget it. He had got this car. I mean, really, the whole story is sad. His mom had committed suicide and that was super fucked up.

3:24:03BubblemanShe was in her 30s. We were pretty young, 15 or 14 or something. And a few years later, some of that money that was left to him, he was like, I'm going to buy myself a little car. And he bought this little Miata, this tiny little fucking car. And so we were at my house one night and he was like, he was like, we should get really stoned.

3:24:21BubblemanI'm like, yeah, dude, you know what? I'll roll five joints and we'll fucking blast these. Like, well, you know. I had this weird piece of wood that you could put the joint in backwards. And so you could shotgun these joints. So the thing was, I rolled five big joints and said, let's go in there. We'll shotgun all these joints. And I went in there and I shotgunned, I want to thank two to three of them back and forth.

3:24:43BubblemanWe shotgunned these joints to the point where I was so stoned. It might've even only been two. And I remember saying, you know, I'm stoned, man. Like, that's good enough for me. And him going, oh, come on, man. What do you mean? Like you said, we were going to smoke five joints. Aren't we going to smoke five joints? Come on, man. I was like, all right, motherfucker.

3:25:00BubblemanAnd I just blasted the next two or three joints down his throat. And yeah, he ended up getting the official doctor's. He basically said, you've suffered minor smoke inhalation, which I will say at a young age, That was pretty hilarious. I mean, come on, that's funny.

3:25:23Etienne FontanWhat is it, like two exhales to hot box of Miata? I mean, come on. Yeah. A Miata.

3:25:29BubblemanYou're exaggerating. I'm telling you. But we blasted five joints, all five. I don't know why he wanted it, but if he was here today, I'm sure he'd remember the story the same way and be like, yeah, my throat was fucked for like three weeks. Like three weeks. I found that piece of wood. It almost I can't even describe what it looked like. I probably still have that piece of wood because I found it as high as someone could be on mushrooms and still find and hold on to something like that.

3:25:58BubblemanAnd yeah, I hand drilled it out and I blasted so many. It was like it almost looked like a wooden spoon, but it kind of had a spiral. And where the hole came out, the whole spoon was right there and the smoke would just Would like come out of it in such a psychedelic way. It wouldn't just come out like in a burst or in a, it was, it would spin and bounce.

3:26:20BubblemanAnd man, the amount of joints I blasted through that thing was, I couldn't even acknowledge. So I gotta say I had a good time with my cannabis and psychedelic use as a young person in Manitoba. I know they look at it as a faux pas now, but kids could be doing much worse things. Then having a little bit of weed and eating a little bit of mushrooms.

3:26:45SpeakerAbsolutely.

3:26:47BubblemanGo ahead, Etienne, please.

3:26:50Etienne FontanDid I tell the story of how my friend inhaled a pipe screen into his lung? Jesus. No. I never told that story. I don't think so.

3:27:02SpeakerThat doesn't sound like fun.

3:27:04Etienne FontanOkay. Can I story time from ATN? Everybody okay with it? I'll try to make this brief, but it's kind of an epic story because just how this goes. So, all right. I just get back from the Gulf War, literally get back. Lied to the military. Tell them because I don't want to end up on television coming down the fucking stairs being a hero comes home. I didn't want any of that bullshit.

3:27:32Etienne FontanSo I lied to my command and then my friends basically met me at the airport in Morgantown. They let me off the plane first. I was immediately tackled by my friend. My chin split open from his zipper and then I was dosed with acid and a joint was put in my mouth and I was carried away. The next, the night was a blur. The next morning I wake up, my stepmom's like, I'm going to New Orleans.

3:27:56Etienne FontanDo you want to come with? And I was like, yeah, me and my friend, we're going to catch a ride down in New Orleans. So literally just back 24 hours, we go down in New Orleans. So I've got some weed. He has back then a wooden pipe with a, you know, back then stainless steel screen.

3:28:14SpeakerYeah.

3:28:15Etienne FontanWe get eventually to, we're driving from Morgantown, West Virginia down to New Orleans. So somewhere around Tennessee, we stopped in the night and we smoked the bowl. And then my friend decides to then clean the pipe. Well, for those who are unfamiliar, putting a screen in a wooden pipe is its own challenge to stay. And it really requires resin or a solid screen. And for some reason, after he scraped the bowl, it basically would not stay in the bowl.

3:28:48Etienne FontanYou remember all that, right? The wooden pipe thing? Some may be like, you're fucking crazy. All right, so he decides to put the screen in the mouth of his asthma inhaler because it fits there for some reason, right? So next morning, we're driving, To New Orleans, and all of a sudden it starts pouring raining. And all of a sudden I hear, I'm shotgun, my step monster's driving, and my boy's in the back, and I hear him hit his asthma inhaler, and he goes, one, and on the second one, I hear, oh shit!

3:29:33Etienne FontanAnd I turn around and my boy, his name's Greg, he's clutching his throat. I'm like, what's wrong?

3:29:40SpeakerThis green, this green.

3:29:42Etienne FontanI'm like, holy fuck. And my stepmom's like, what the hell? I was like, pull under that bridge. So we pull on the bridge because it's raining, right? And it wasn't raining. I get him out. I try to immediately apply the Heimlich maneuver. Yeah. Not working, right? Not working at all. In fact, he's whistling. And because he had actually cleaned the screen. And so what had happened is when he did his asthma inhaler, it shot it straight past his throat and right into his left tracheal.

3:30:16Etienne FontanWow. And we're just like, oh, shit. And my stepmom's like. All right, I'm driving to New Orleans. So she drives us straight to New Orleans and goes to my grandmother. I immediately take him, drive him to, oddly enough, the hospital I was born at. Wow. Charity Hospital, which used to be Hotel Dew. And so we get to the emergency room. And of course, who has to call his mom and dad?

3:30:43Etienne FontanOh, me, right? So I was like, oh, hi. Uh yeah hi um yeah I'm at the hospital and um apparently your son has inhaled a pipe screen uh into his lung uh yeah yeah yeah oh no I know I just got back from the war yeah okay so um I need your permission because they have to either go through his nose They're going to have to open up his chest and have surgery to go in and pull out the screen.

3:31:14Etienne FontanOK. And of course, the mother is not amused. And of course, I hear her talking to the dad in the background and they reluctantly like you have our permission. So we go to the doctor like you have their permission. And basically, They were able to use flexible forceps. They went in through the nose and they gave him pharmaceutical grade cocaine and went through his throat, was able to grab it, pinch it, pull it to the back of his throat and pulled out the back of his throat.

3:31:49Etienne FontanAnd here's the kicker. So the next day, this is when Hurricane Andrew came through. So we actually drove through Thank you for watching.

3:32:18Etienne FontanWhy is this hitting so well? We don't have a screen. He's like, starts to giggle. And I stop him like, no. He's like, yeah. He's like, really? Apparently the doctor in them, they put the screen in alcohol and gave him the screen back. And so we were actually puffing through his lung screen.

3:32:37Etienne FontanSo there you go, people. Don't put your screens in your asthma inhaler because you never know, you may be puffing on it.

3:32:44BubblemanThat fucking thing must have shredded as they were pulling it out. Like, can you imagine?

3:32:49Etienne FontanI can't imagine. But when I met him, when I saw him, right, when I went into the room, dude, his eyes were so open. He's like, dude, I had the best cocaine I ever had in my life. And that kind of started me on my quest of, well, doctor, where did you get the cocaine from? Oh, we get it from the pharmacy. It's made in Bolivia. And I was like, wait, what?

3:33:09Etienne FontanYou get legal cocaine? And yeah, well, that was the kicker. Because here's the funny part, right? Because the doctor comes in initially, right, for the assignment, and he comes in laughing. And we're like, doctor, what's going on? He's like, well, this is the second one for the record books. We're like, second one for the record books for the night? He's like, yeah. He's like, you wouldn't believe what happened next door.

3:33:30Etienne FontanAnd we're like, okay, well, we got to ask. It is New Orleans. He's like, yeah, we just spent two hours chiseling cement out of a guy's anus, and then two golf balls fell out. And then I just walked into this. I was like, okay, all right, that wins. We're good. Jesus Christ. So careful in New Orleans, people. It's a crazy place.

3:33:53SpeakerI've been there once.

3:33:54BubblemanNew Orleans.

3:33:57BubblemanNever. Never for me. I have never been there. But maybe one day. Maybe one day.

3:34:05Etienne FontanSo now I've told the long screen story. Now it's done. Oh, it was good.

3:34:09BubblemanIt hurt. It was hard to hear. It's funny, but it's also like, oh my God, like Jesus, like. Nowadays, like I just, I hurt my pinky recently and it's a little inflamed and I'm like, that hurts enough. You know, the idea of having like a screen pulled out of my left, no thanks.

3:34:30SpeakerYeah, when they first told me I had to have open heart surgery and I was just learning about it and I went into the doctor and I said, when you say open heart surgery, exactly what does that mean? And he gave me this look and he said, well, we have to cut your chest open, do the surgery and then seal it back with steel wire, which I still have 20 plus years.

3:35:03SpeakerThat steel wire is still right there.

3:35:05BubblemanWas that like 04?

3:35:08SpeakerThat was 05.

3:35:09Bubbleman05, 05.

3:35:10SpeakerAnd then I had my second heart operation through my groin In 2019, six years ago, and that was so much easier than open heart surgery. So I have my second animal valve in my heart. The first one was from a cow, and the one I've had for the last six years is from a pig. And I have no problems with my heart right now. I just had this seizure problem.

3:35:44SpeakerCrazy.

3:35:46BubblemanWell, hopefully you're smoking a lot of hash.

3:35:48SpeakerOh, yeah. I forgot. What's your favorite hash you're smoking right now? Oh, this is still GMO, I think, this week.

3:36:04SpeakerOh, GMO.

3:36:06BubblemanGMO. That fucking awesome flavor profile. So yummy. We've got a couple other things here from Brindle Farms. Papaya, Ross. This is pretty rotty. That's a pretty nice fruit, fruity papaya, rotten turps. There it is. Oh, maybe.

3:36:33Etienne FontanColin, what was that nastiness you were showing?

3:36:37Collin PalmerThis is actually, this is blueberry banana. This one, yeah, I just grabbed this out of the freezer or the fridge. Actually, this one, fridge.

3:36:46SpeakerI'm doing this one a little. Oh, yeah, that looks great.

3:36:51Collin PalmerThis blueberry banana is really unique. It's just super complex. It's just got, and I think I was talking about it a few episodes ago where I had fresh press and I had it curing and One day I let a group of people try the fresh press, and then the next day I let them try the cold cure as it went through its process. It was like they thought it was completely different in varietals.

3:37:19Collin PalmerThey're like, this one's super gassy, and the other one the next day was like, it's really banana. You know what I mean? It's amazing what that does.

3:37:30Collin PalmerThat's why I appreciate both categories. They just bring out different profiles.

3:37:36BubblemanYeah, this black maple from Brindle Farms is another really greasy, unique.

3:37:45Collin PalmerI don't see as much cold cure, right? I mean, fresh press as much as cold cure anymore. And I really appreciate cold, like a fresh press because it has just a different profile.

3:37:57BubblemanYeah, some people do it. I guess a lot, you know, depending on what your, the chain of custody is for actually getting the product to your customer and how fast you can get rid of it all. I think fresh press just has to be a quick drop and it's gone. Or at least cold chain the entire time because fresh doesn't stay fresh for very long. After it's been freshly pressed.

3:38:25Archive SeedsI mean, if they can afford to do it with milk for six bucks a gallon, I don't see why you can't do it for a jar of hash.

3:38:32BubblemanI agree. I really do. I totally agree. That being said, I think that infrastructure has been built into milk for so long now that it's, yeah, it's just because so many people have attacked the margins of any cannabis product already. That it's kind of like down to picked bones by the time you just get there. So what, you know, you don't have much left to offer in some of these products.

3:39:01BubblemanYeah.

3:39:02Archive SeedsWhat do you guys think about Kevin McKernan's study where they found, you know, all those gene sets in the males? That don't exist in, you know, the females and how that is potentially affecting breeding and what we have been breeding and the emergence of new traits, etc. It's interesting.

3:39:27BubblemanLike suggesting that the novelty is in the male pollen a little bit more than in the female right now.

3:39:34Archive SeedsThat there's more diversity from the males, you know, because the females are going to receive half of the genes from the males X chromosome. So, you know, the real question is, are those, is the increase in diversity in the males, does that affect the diversity in the females, essentially? Yeah. I don't have any evidence, but it'll be interesting to see because we're basically about 20 years into feminized breeding being the predominant, especially in the last 10 years, being the predominant method of breeding and finding new genetics.

3:40:22Archive SeedsOne common complaint you continue to hear from consumers is that everything smells the same. Everything tastes the same. Everything has the same high. There's very little diversity in the products that are out there. And part of that is because the concentration of varietals that people grow for financial reasons, but it's also because those specific plants get feminized and used, and there's a lack of potentially a lack of diversity in that breeding method.

3:40:50Collin PalmerHmm. I think the ideology of it, Fletch, I think is there. And I think there's some sound evidence now behind it with the data now, you know, that working femmes has created some, a bottleneck. And so to speak, in this case, it's showing a data set that suggests that that is what is happening. And You know, I think from our both of our collective experience sounds like through just like back channeling with you, we've both tried these some of these methods using males and found a lot of success.

3:41:23Collin PalmerAnd I think that's also, you know, there's no again, no science behind that. But I think our experience using those that stock has showed better plans. Right. And there's something here to explore now. Right now, we have a North Star to kind of go after. I don't know what it means. But I think it's really fascinating from a genomic standpoint that what has been tested suggests that there's, you know, yeah, the Y chromosome is to be explored more, right?

3:41:55Collin PalmerWe've got to understand why that's happening now. I'd like to see the data more repeated, I think, to kind of throw the data, like, let's throw it back at it a little bit, say, all right, guys, like, cool. This is found. Now, what can we do to make more controls to further push the concept that this is true? Because it's very early, you know, but I do appreciate the data set.

3:42:19Collin PalmerIt's why I posted it immediately when Kevin texted to me. I thought it was pretty interesting. But I think, you know, The breeding world, you know, the genomics world is pretty heavy right now. Everyone's like racing towards, you know, this unknown, right? So I think it's really fascinating. I don't really know what it means though, right? To your point.

3:42:41Archive SeedsYeah, I always associated the like difference between male and female breeding, especially, let's say, using a male and a feminized female from the same populations, like a flavor pack male and a flavor pack female and hybridizing that to all the same plants. I always just associated that difference mainly just with the fact that I actually know the female characteristics of the feminized plant, whereas with the male, I don't, you know, I've done male reversals as well, and that does give you like a terp profile, but it's not, it still doesn't tell you how it's going to recombine.

3:43:21Archive SeedsAnd I mean, I guess you don't know that as well with your reverse female until you do the work. But once you've done that and seen the difference, I just attributed the difference to the fact that, well, I don't know what the male does. So therefore, it seems more diverse just because I didn't really know what to expect anyway. So there's that. And then the other thing that I thought, let's just say that there isn't an increase in diversity in the males.

3:43:48Archive SeedsIt may also be true that there's...

3:43:53Archive SeedsBut like the X chromosome on the female, there's traits that exist in both the females and the males, but they tend to be more or less dominant depending on what type of plant you use. So males may seem to breed better just because that same trait that's in both plants is maybe more dominant in hybrids when using a male versus the female you selected of the same trait.

3:44:19Collin PalmerSure. Well, the other thing I thought about when the data came out was like, well, that means that instead of using single males, it means that you should be diversifying your male population to actually pollinate the females if, you know, to be able to bring a lot of this back together. So you're bringing a stronger subset to the table to start with, right? That's also, I think that's also something that You know, is really important because you can't just use one male.

3:44:51Collin PalmerThat's probably part of the issue here is there's a lot of bottlenecking because of that. But also, you know, I'll argue the other side of it. And I always, Kevin knows this, I say this all the time. There's not enough, there's still, we still have to submit more samples. Like people need to be submitting to the, you know, to the actual Canopedia. So there is a larger subset of plants.

3:45:14SpeakerThat's a good word, Canopedia.

3:45:16Collin PalmerYeah, so we can actually aggregate it even more as people's libraries get bigger and as these plants get crossed together, you know, because it's just a matter of time before, you know, the larger subset of the data actually comes together and we learn more. And if we can all contribute to that, it'll happen faster. And your name is Fletch?

3:45:42SpeakerFletch?

3:45:42Collin PalmerYep.

3:45:43SpeakerYep.

3:45:46SpeakerI don't want to forget your name. And that's Julien. What's up, brother? What's up? I don't want to disturb anyone, so I stay in the background.

3:46:02BubblemanAh, hello. No, it's nice to see you, man. Like, listen, we are towards the end right now, but it would be good to introduce you because we're going to have you on possibly next week and get more into this breathing conversation that really we're kind of finishing this hash church on in the first place. And they were actually, if you want to. Yeah, if you want to give just a little introduction, Julien, as to who you are and what you've been doing and who you've been doing it with, just a little cliff notes, four or five minute version.

3:46:32BubblemanAnd then Fletch can repeat his question that he was, that what we were talking about right before you came in, which is kind of an interesting concept in regards to diversity and male versus female diversity. But go ahead, introduce yourself, man. How are you doing?

3:46:52SpeakerI'm doing good. So I'm Julian. So hi, Soma. That's the only one I'm knowing personally and you, Mark. So hi, everyone. Hi, Fletcher. It's great to meeting you. Hi, ATN. Hi, Mark. Hi, Colleen. Hi, Adam. So I'm Julian. I'm the partner and breeder at THC Amsterdam right now. So partner with Adam and Doug since now 12 years. I am taking care of all the seeds production and breeding production for TH Seeds and a lot of other white label seeds company to not say their name.

3:47:34SpeakerSo we sell to a lot of different seed bank here in Europe as we are not many seeds maker and breeder like someone knows. So yeah, basically I'm French from Paris. I start to work really into the official scene and starting Cannabis Cup in 2013 in Amsterdam and start to win Cup with Doogie and Cheat Seats in them. So the Cup we entered with Sage, Last Sage, Bubble Gum and all that was growing by me.

3:48:11SpeakerAnd then in 2015, and I was owning a grocery shop in Paris for several years back then too. So I was always back and forth, Amsterdam, Paris, and doing my breeding and selection in Paris, always in South Africa. Apartment and different things. And I moved in 2015. So it's been 10 years I'm in Spain. So first I moved to Basque Country and then to Barcelona, where I'm operate right now since 10 years and make all the seeds production for us and the breeding.

3:48:48SpeakerAnd yeah, judging most of the Cannabis Cup right now, because after winning most of the Cup entering, they asked me to stop entering and help them judging and be more relevant on the judging. And I was always complaining how the judging and how the competition is running. So they try to be more professional and involve a little bit more people like me and other You know, real smokers and real breeders, you know what they're talking about when it's been about judging real flowers and real quality hash.

3:49:24SpeakerAnd yeah, and I'm traveling a lot to California since 2016 as well, going to Humboldt a lot, Garberville. LA and Santa Barbara and those are to see a big farm and see the California style to grow and breeding as well and bring back genetics from America here. To have some exclusivity and start to continue and survive. Basically, just continue to survive. These are the fake around us.

3:50:00SpeakerSo just to be, try to be relevant, create new things, try to revert different things than the other was doing before. Only White Widow and Amnesia Cross with everything. So just try to be different. And yeah.

3:50:17BubblemanI like it. Well, welcome, dude. Do you want to repeat your question, Fletch? And then we're going to do maybe 10 to 12 minutes more, and then I'm going to shut her down. But this question that you asked, Juliette, We could potentially pick it up, you know, for a deeper conversation at 9 a.m. next week.

3:50:37SpeakerAnd the last, just the last sentence I will say, like, I start my journey on selecting SAGE regular seats made by Sam, by David. Was Sage Cross-Kunk and was my first attempt of regular and selection and bringing and make some F2s and see what's going on. And after this work, I entering in 2016 at the Legend of Hash when I see you and meet David for the first time and showing my hash and I directly get my enter to Legend and I won second place front of Matt Gregg Gardner and some other big name.

3:51:17SpeakerAnd only Team 10, only Stacks came for the public choice because it was a big English audience. So they get a lot of English vote for the cheese. Was that in Spain? Yeah, it was in Spain, Barcelona. And you get sick the next before because you was full of the Advanced Nutrients Party when I didn't go. You've been in this party full of smoke, of cigarettes. You've been sick.

3:51:44SpeakerAnd you can even come that night to judge. So Tony Verzura was judging, Sam was judging, and Barry from True Cannabis helping them to judge at the end. Yep, good memory.

3:51:58BubblemanSo 2016, the first, I think it might have been the first Legends of Cash. Barcelona edition. Outside of, yeah, the first one outside of Amsterdam, so.

3:52:07SpeakerAnd the first time David was coming to Barcelona with a... With his wife and was a really amazing moment to tell you the truth was really, really good. And nice moments like really, really family, family event and gathering. I miss this moment was really, really good. Totally.

3:52:27BubblemanYeah, well, the... Sorry, I finished my... Yeah, no, no, no, it's a good introduction, good to, you know, give everyone an idea of who you are and what you've been up to, but I want Fletch to repeat his question for you, and then you can kind of give a short answer, we'll end, and then if you guys want to get into a deeper conversation, by all means, next Sunday we can do it, but if you don't mind, Fletch.

3:52:49Archive SeedsYeah, I think what we were discussing is just the... That Kevin McKernan had done a genomics study basically on male plants and found that there's an increase in, or there's, how many gene sets was it? Like 5,000 gene sets or something like that? More in males than in females. And granted that's, We'll be right back.

3:53:33Archive SeedsThank you so much for joining us.

3:53:49Archive SeedsTypically, if it's not a project that I know I'm going to be working on, I'm just exploring it. I'll use those all at the same time. And if I'm really trying to work that line, I'll keep clones of the males. And if I find something really exceptional from those seeds, then I'll go back and reuse the single male to figure out which one it was. But it's definitely a lot more work to do, let's say five males individually make five different seed lines and do all that work.

3:54:20Archive SeedsAnd then you end up with donuts on everything. And it's kind of like, oh, well, that was five projects instead of one. So you kind of at certain times you're trying to just increase your productivity.

3:54:33Collin PalmerYeah, no, that makes sense.

3:54:36Archive SeedsSo, yeah, Julian, to go back to what we were talking about, just was that the males and females, that there may be a difference in either complexity or diversity available and or maybe dominance of traits or maybe there's no difference at all. Yeah.

3:54:57BubblemanBut also then you mentioned, Fletch, that the last 20 years we've been doing a lot of feminized breeding.

3:55:04Archive SeedsOh, yes. Yeah. And that a lot of consumers complain that there's a lack of diversity in product. And obviously that's partially just because of market dynamics and market demands. But it's also may potentially be because of not only visual and other traits being stuck in only the females or males being dominant or recessive, but the males may contribute positively to That diversity that people see now, whether or not that diversity is from the males being you not being able to select the males versus knowing what the female traits are.

3:55:46Archive SeedsI don't know. I guess that's really the question where we're at right now is that we know there's a genetic difference between the males and females, but we don't know whether it has any impact on the progeny.

3:56:00SpeakerYeah, for me, I will say like the male have a big, big important and a role to make because when even I see all the seeds I can pop and I pop like every three months, 100, 200 seeds can be feminized or regular. If I pop the new stuff, most of the things are really pretty much. Not similar, but I will say 60, 70% going to be the same structure, the same color, finishing the same time.

3:56:26SpeakerLittle bit profile different, but all the old seeds, if I use old seed stock, when we was using the G13 hazemate from Soma, The skunk mail from Sam, all is way more different and way more. I have 100 seed. I can maybe have four different, totally different seed line, can get out this breeding, just these seeds. When I pop maybe 10 different seeds now cross with different male from America or from all over the breeder here, Spanish, Canadian, it's really, really similar.

3:57:06SpeakerI will say only maybe Breeder Steve back in the day, I have like Bluebonic, Donk, I have some old seed I pop recently from him. That's really different structure than what I have right now. So we need your G13. Yes, I have a lot of, I can share some. I have a lot of Bluebonic, I have Blue Satellite 2.2, and I have Donk. I have like 200 of each strain.

3:57:39SpeakerI get them from Gypsy. Like four or five years ago, when you find all the old seed stock you have from the old days, I said like all the old Breeders Steve stock, please, I need. I will love to find the original Shishka Berry from back in the day. For all the really harsh project I make for Morocco and all that things, that's the really good, nice dry resin for me will be mixed with banana.

3:58:07SpeakerI think it will be the perfect match. You know who first gave me the G13 seeds that I crossed with Hayes was Ed Rosenthal.

3:58:19SpeakerHe brought them from America. He gave me like 11 seeds. And I got male, female. They were male, female. So that's how I got the male G13. No. Yeah, that's, he gave me 11 seeds and they didn't all sprout. And the only ones that sprouted were male. And that's how I got male. What year was that? That was like 1997 or 98. Yeah, I will say, yeah, that's period.

3:58:56SpeakerBecause I'm just starting to collect seeds in 99. Yeah.

3:59:01Etienne FontanBecause I started working for Ed around 2000, 99 in 2000. So I was just wondering if maybe there was some of the seats that we had produced early on.

3:59:10SpeakerYeah, he used to, when he used to first come into town, he used to stay at my place where I had a big row room too. That's where we stayed. I have a nice G13 Skunk from Shanty. Oh, nice. Six years ago. It's amazing. It's really amazing. It's a giant trees, nice dry resin. It's amazing.

3:59:32BubblemanIs that the one he calls the gee whiz?

3:59:36SpeakerI don't know. I just gave me private cuts like six, seven years ago.

3:59:43BubblemanOkay. I saw the cut that he had of G13 in 2000 and I don't know, two or something. I was at his facility in Bellinzona with Gypsy Nirvana. And he had it growing outside of his greenhouse. And I was like, well, what's that? And he's like, oh, I call that one the gee whiz. It's the G13.

4:00:02SpeakerAnd I was kind of like, is that like a G13 shot?

4:00:05BubblemanLike he didn't really kind of go into detail on why he called it the gee whiz. But he definitely did say that. And anyway, I want to thank everyone for coming out today. We did about four hours solid. On the Hash Church, I want to thank Soma for being here.

4:00:24Dr Mark ScialdoneThanks for being here, Soma.

4:00:25BubblemanI'm glad. I don't mean here. I mean here. Thank you. Yeah, I'm still here. Yeah, thank you. It's wonderful. Dude, so thankful and grateful that you're happy and healthy and healing and doing better.

4:00:38SpeakerIt's nice to see such smart people now. Such intricately smart people in the cannabis world.

4:00:50BubblemanYeah, it's wonderful. And I want to thank everyone who is watching.

4:00:53SpeakerIn the canopedia, let's say. In the canopedia. That's a new word for me. I like that word.

4:00:59BubblemanWhat did we learn today? Data are, datum is. Data are, datum is. Thank you for the tip again, Fletch. We're definitely going to try and do that. We're going to try and start this next week off with some cannabis breeding. So we'll have some of these guys back next week. And Mojave was in the chat room. He said he'd come. Hopefully you can join us again, Julien, because you did come in pretty late today, just at the end.

4:01:25BubblemanLove to have you.

4:01:26SpeakerI'm going to Malta this week and I'll be back on Sunday morning. So for sure I will be there.

4:01:32BubblemanNice. We'll have a good time in Malta and grow some beautiful canvas.

4:01:35SpeakerYeah, yeah. We opened a club there and partner with someone and yeah, we popped some seats. So I need to go and make the seduction and the funeral. And so it's always a good moment.

4:01:47BubblemanYeah, the selector. We try, we try.

4:01:53SpeakerI cannot do the same. I have Fletcher as a good example for me. I have Soma and Shanti as a good mentor. And Fletcher, I will say for me, is the only guy I can look and just inspire me every day to just push more and more and more and more. And more and more because I we will talk later on that's private but I get one or two cuts from him and that I'm so impressed by his work and what he's doing for the community share his own works and cut will I will not do it I can't because it's too much here if you share someone knows you just shoot yourself in the foot and everything's gonna be renamed without six months and you just kill your company but Yeah, I'm really glad to be here today with all your guys.

4:02:40SpeakerAnd so I keep thinking on you every 11, 11, every day. Yeah, keep this in your mind. Every 11, 11, I screenshot and I screenshot it all the time too. Even today I screenshotted it. Thank you.

4:02:55BubblemanThat's a nice thing to learn from me. Yeah, that's beautiful. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Dr. Mark and Etienne and Colin. Bletch and everybody, Adam from Wolf Mountain Organics and your awesome dogs. If you guys want to try to get a dog from Adam, wolfmountainorganics.com. He's got these dogs he needs to find.

4:03:15SpeakerWow, those are beautiful.

4:03:17BubblemanBeautiful, beautiful dogs. In the meantime, I definitely want to thank all the sponsors. I want to thank the Press Club. I want to thank the Craft Greenery, Dennis and Mark. I want to mention again, they have that little contest. So if you go there and you buy Sauce Rosin Labs, which is banging rosin, this is tasty shit. They enter you in to win, I believe it's a Puffco e-rig.

4:03:43BubblemanSo and shout out to Puffco, of course, as well. As a sponsor and shout out to Bubble Bags. In the meantime, I really do hope everyone has a wonderful rest of their Sunday, however much there is left, if any. Otherwise, may the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. And that's it. That's a wrap. We'll see you next time. Peace, everybody. Bye.