Father's Day, Wade Laughter Tribute and Terpene Profiles

0:11BubblemanAll right, it looks like we are going live here in a few seconds.

0:19Etienne FontanThere we are.

0:21BubblemanWelcome, everybody, to Hash Church. Season 11, episode 24. Episode 24, if you can imagine. Here we are, 24 episodes in this year, and I just couldn't be happier about it. The consistency of church has been second to none. Haven't quite gotten as good as the initial first three years when I didn't miss a show, but hey, that's only 120 shows away. We'll see if we can make it.

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3:47BubblemanCheck that out as well. And in the meantime, I think I'm going to bring in my good friend Etienne. Etienne Fontaine, doing the good work over there in California. How you doing, brother? Hello.

4:06Etienne FontanMarched with millions yesterday. So we went out. I better put my headphones on so I can hear you. Yeah, well, let's see. Am I being heard?

4:17BubblemanOh, that's funny.

4:18Etienne FontanThat better? That better? Can you hear me? No, no. Let me see.

4:25BubblemanYou marched with millions yesterday?

4:29Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, yeah. Why can't I hear you? It's confusing me. People were marching. Let me see.

4:42BubblemanOkay. Let's try that.

4:43Etienne FontanCheck, check, check, check.

4:45BubblemanI cannot hear you. This has to be on my end though. Yeah. Raspberry, Raspberry. Select your microphone. There we go.

4:52Etienne FontanThere we go. Can you hear me now? There we go. Can you hear me now?

4:59BubblemanYes, I can hear you now. I had my microphone as my speaker.

5:04Etienne FontanAh, Zoom does that, man. I don't understand of all the technology that they have that they can't do that. But, you know, regardless. Yes, I was marching with millions yesterday. Yesterday was the No Kings Parade in America, where as opposed to celebrating the current guy in charge in his military parade, Americans went out and said, And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in Berkeley on the bridges waving at thousands and thousands of people.

5:40Etienne FontanWe had thousands of people coming out. There was huge marches in Oakland, San Francisco, huge marches in Salt Lake City, in Iowa, Idaho, Missouri, all over the country. So yeah, I've been an activist and I've been on the Front lines for decades, so I had no problem. I had my two flag, what do you call it, flag holder, and yeah, I was out flying my flag, which had, here, I'll show you.

6:18Etienne FontanOh, send a request.

6:23Etienne FontanI will allow it. I will allow it. All right. So I actually took a 100% hip flag. Oh. And then there's my heart flag, too, because it was showing love. And then I think I also had my Veterans for Peace.

6:42BubblemanDude, how long was your pole?

6:45Etienne FontanIt goes up to 20 feet. Jesus. Yeah, it's serious wind. But yeah, I also had my Veterans for Peace flag out as well. So I wanted people to see to be there. And yeah, I wanted to be with my people. I usually go to the larger local, you know, the really large ones in San Francisco and Oakland. But since there was an event in Berkeley, I was going to be with my people considering it's the...

7:15Etienne FontanStart of the, you know, free speech movement as well as sanctuary city. So we were out representing, standing tall for all of America. And Americans came out by the tens of millions in marching and it was peaceful and that was good. But we were there to protect the protesters. And exercise our duty of freedom of speech, which we did. And we said, fuck you. We don't want any dictators, no kings in our country.

7:44Etienne FontanNo offense to Canada. We respect their king. However, we did not respect their king enough to stay in their employ. So we left them a few hundred years ago. And yesterday was also the 250th year of the army. Thank you, the United States Army. I was in the United States Army. Thank you so much for joining us.

8:18BubblemanWell, I just want to say, I think that you're the most professional activist ever, dude. I mean, I obviously used to be more of an activist back in the day when we were really fighting in Canada for cannabis. And I remember going to those events and there, you know, with activism, there's always kind of like, Thank you so much for joining us.

8:52Bubblemanthat are controversial that are you know it's always with the most due respect it's always with uh i don't know dude it's just classy as always and uh i'm uh glad that you're out there fighting uh you know fighting for what you believe is right and fighting with your people man i mean you did fight wars for this country so uh i think you should uh have a voice when it comes to uh These crazy things.

9:21Etienne FontanThey taught us to fight. They never taught us to stop fighting. So that's what we shall do. We believe in our freedoms and we're going to fight for them. So it's sad that in this day and age, we have to exercise them. But if we don't flex them, they will take them. So. Thank you all for your guidance over the years and showing us what is possible and not possible with cannabis.

9:45Etienne FontanAnd yeah, we're just going to try and preserve it so we can be those good neighbors next to you in the crazy crack house right next to you going, hey man, you got some stuff. You know, we don't want to be that neighbor in America, which we currently are. So we're trying to be show that we are nicer people. There are nicer neighbors out there and that this is only temporary.

10:07Etienne FontanWe'll get back to who we are. But right now, we're fucked up. Children have to slap our own kids upside the head for a while. So don't count on America. We're kind of got our head up our ass. But don't worry, we're working on that.

10:22BubblemanDude, I want to welcome Angus Young to the chat.

10:27BubblemanYou had your hair out, Johnny B. You were like, I'm like, I would expect you to be like, oh, thunder.

10:35Johnny BI mean, I mean, like rocking upstairs, going through all my old memorabilia. I found a box I thought I lost like 20 years ago. It's sitting on the thing over there. And I'm like, it's all my old models and all the old stuff I did when I like some old.

10:48SpeakerDo not feel discouraged. Sit down and lament because you are misplaced.

10:58Etienne FontanWell, that just. Alrighty then. Ladies and gentlemen, Johnny B, Johnny B, ladies and gentlemen.

11:06Johnny BI have audio going on, right? So I was listening to the book, The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace D. Waddle. It's not about money, it's about the richness of society that you can become. So check out that book.

11:17BubblemanWe'll check it out. We'll check it out. Man, I'm just, you know, a lot of fathers won't be making it today. I don't think we'll see Dr. Mark or Colin or a lot of the fathers today. It might be a short hash church, but I thought no matter what, I still want to join. I want to gather. You know, it was a sad hash church last week celebrating the life of Wade Laughter.

11:39BubblemanObviously, we're going to feel that. Hole in the congregation for many, many years to come, if not forever. It was so nice to have Forrest come on and tell some of those old stories. It was nice to see Valerie. It was nice to see Eric. I hadn't seen Eric in a long time coming up from, what was that event called at the end?

12:02Etienne FontanThe Fire Ridge? The Ridge Sesh.

12:07BubblemanThe Ridge Sesh. Seemed like such a cool, cool little event, man.

12:11Etienne FontanIt was... They invited me up there, but I had too much going on. It was such a short time. I would have loved to have... They're just like, no, boom. They just sent me a parking pass straight up. I was like, wow, that's very nice of them. I appreciate it. But too much going on, unfortunately, to make that. But yeah, it's absolutely... It touched my heart to see Forrest and to hear how Silas is graduating high school as a...

12:41Etienne FontanNormal child, you know, wow.

12:47Etienne FontanI grew up with epilepsy. I think I've said this before. I had childhood epilepsy, so I used to just pass out. I would just have these seizures. And they said I would eventually grow out of them. And I did. And I was very fortunate that I did because it really sucked because I couldn't go swimming. And I'm in Louisiana. I grew up in Louisiana. So I couldn't be like near a pool or anything like that because...

13:11Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

13:30Etienne FontanNow it comes in a cap, you know what I'm saying? So it doesn't necessarily take the extraneous realities that it took. So that was special in my heart because, you know, I don't really consider myself as an epilepsy survivor per se. I just grew out of it. So to, and have watched Silas and others experience and go through what it is, is absolutely enriching to the soul beyond measure.

14:01Etienne FontanYou know what I'm saying? I know there's not, not all parents have that success story, but those that do, and especially that one, because of We watched it. We watched it. We watched it over the years, unfortunately, him go through those seizures. And Forrest literally have to fly his child in a helicopter from Northern California all the way to the Children's Hospital time and time again. And our boy Wade was there for him all the time, you know, and so that was the reminder.

14:32Etienne FontanAnd that's part of, you know, service. Sometimes that silent service, doing what we can to help others in times of need when we can. And Wade was that example who, yeah, rose above and beyond. I know he felt lucky for finding, you know, Harlequin. What he did with it is what his life will be measured by. He helped Countless others selflessly with love and respect. And thank you, Marcus, for holding time and space for us last week.

15:08Etienne FontanIt was a brutal one. My eyes hurt after that one. Needless to say, the same way after losing Sam. So everybody live well. Take care of yourselves. I don't need any more of these for a while. So I love you all.

15:27BubblemanI'm telling you, dude, for real, I could also not use one of these for a while. I will say happy Father's Day to my father. I'm going to mute Johnny B because I was just about to hold my my picture of my dad up as he just made the slightest sound and then it stole his camera. So you're muted just for a second, Johnny B, because I wanted to show just a couple of photos of my old man.

15:49BubblemanThere he is catching some fish back in the day, probably on the Whiteshell Lake. Blurred out photo. I don't know. He was probably not even 30 years old there. And then this was kind of a little bit before he him and his wife passed away. They were driving the motorcycle quite a bit. They went and stopped and visited a little waterfall. That's my dad, Gary, and his wife, Marie.

16:11BubblemanBoth of them passed away on the motorcycle that I bought him for his 50th birthday about five years later. So I've been just kind of dealing with that for the last 20 years, but I do celebrate them as often as I can. And I sure miss them. I'll tell you that much. It's crazy to lose your dad so young. Pardon me?

16:32Etienne FontanYour father now. I am. I think you have a few times over, needless to say. So, I mean, how do you honor your dad with your children? I was curious about that.

16:46BubblemanWell, I mean, you know, the majority, my two children met him when they were very, very young. He died 20 years ago and my son's 21 and my daughter's 24. So they met him when they were three and one. My 10-year-old son has never met him at all. I show him pictures and we have pictures of him in the house and I tell stories. But really, I would say probably the thing that passed on from my father to me is, Thank you so much for joining us.

17:33BubblemanThank you for watching.

17:53BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

18:10BubblemanWhen he was, you know, he had decided to sort of leave my mother and start a new life. And he was, you know, so he left everything to my mom. He did it the kindest way you could leave a family. He left everything with her. He stayed present with my sister and I. And then he ended up meeting this woman, Marie, and ended up getting a house with her.

18:30BubblemanAnd she had three kids that he was now helping to raise. And all while he was doing that, He decided to go back to high school, get his GED, go get his bachelor's, go get his master's, become the youngest fire chief in the history of Canada. And he kind of did all of that in like a couple of years. And so he was very, very prolific and he was very capable.

18:54BubblemanAnd so I always grew up with that, at least for the first 33 years of my life, with a dad who was very, very... Thank you so much for joining us.

19:27BubblemanIn a perfect world that my father and Sam could have met for sure would have been very, very, very cool. Yeah. So, time to turn on the machine, as they say. I will go through this bag at one point in time. I got this incredible bag from the press club. They sent me all sorts of press bags, all sorts of different sizes. Some really cool shit in here, dude.

19:55BubblemanI'm not gonna lie. You know, one of the things that I thought was so cool, and I haven't even opened up the entire bag yet, but I thought this was kind of a cool little idea. I don't know if anyone has seen these from the press club yet, but I did think that it was a really cool fucking idea. So it almost looks like over your eyes, right?

20:18BubblemanBut it's gel, so you pull it. And basically they have one that goes under your jars and one that goes over your jars. And they're super cool little things. Cooling, you know, little mini packs, refrigeration packs so that you don't have to carry around this crazy thing, which I got to admit, it gets old pretty fast. This is just a cool little idea to be able to to be able to cool it down in your freezer and then and then drop it into your drop it into your whatever container you're carrying your jars around.

20:54BubblemanAnd man, Johnny B's got one too, I see.

20:57Johnny BI did a whole video on this. It's coming out today, actually. I love it. I did a whole unpacking of the same thing you're doing right now. Check this out. I love you, brother.

21:06BubblemanYeah, I got my spoons. I just I wanted to shout out the spoons from the Press Club. This is their brand new bubble hash collecting spoon. And I got to say, I love the idea of this. First of all, This is a proper spoon. That is a proper spoon right there. Are you kidding me? Like imagine no one has just created a simple product like the spoon for scooping out hash.

21:37BubblemanI got to admit, it feels good in the hand. Pretty normal size handle, but a giant, giant. And look at that right in the bottom there. Can see the Press Club.

21:50Etienne FontanDid they come out with a set of hot knives for release as well? You know what I'm saying? I mean, they got spoons. Nobody's ever done a limited, you know, hot knife relief. You know what I'm saying? Come on, Hash Church people. That's where we all started, on the hot knives. I understand we've progressed, but, you know, don't forget the Glowies.

22:12BubblemanCan't forget the Glowies, dude. It's impossible to forget the Glowies. And I will say there was a time where we just stopped fucking with hot knives and we hammered out spoons because they were so much bigger. And we were doing hot spoons towards the end. In fact, the mayor... Which was the pipe that was invented by the Holy Smokes guys in the Kootenays. The mayor actually was a spoon bent over a torch that had the bell over top of it.

22:41BubblemanYou know, the glass bell that went into the little nasty rubber tube that went into the bong. So yeah, shout out to the press club. I haven't even gotten... A third of the way into this thing, and it's just full of super awesome shit. So we've got some premium rosin parchment.

23:00Etienne FontanLook at that. Premium rosin parchment. Is that one of your old school flattened spoons?

23:06Johnny BThis is literally 30 years old. That's why I laughed.

23:12Johnny BWhen you mentioned it, it just made me laugh so hard. I love you, man. And this is exactly how we had to smoke our hashback in the days, right? It's like, shh. And I would do this directly on the element. Right? And yeah, that was funny. And if you've ever had an element blow up, man, let me tell you, look at the burn mark right there.

23:29BubblemanI never have. In all the years of hot knifing, I never saw an element blow up. And we kept those things red hot for hours. In fact, we graduated from the element very quickly and started carrying around acetylene torches in our backpacks. And that was over 30 years ago when the mare was first created. It was a spoon. Mounted right over an acetylene torch that would just get that thing so hot.

23:57BubblemanI will never forget, and I can't even remember who I did it to, but I gave a glowy one time of the red oil on a hot spoon to a friend and he was sitting there in shorts and this oil went onto this red hot spoon and of course it was so hot it was like hot water or cold water on a hot pan. It just created a ball and And then it just started moving around really quick in circles and then it just jumped and it just went right on the inside of his leg.

24:26BubblemanThis leg, dude, I'm telling you. It was bad. It was very bad. Pulling that oil out was like pulling his flesh off of his leg. It was definitely terrible. It was a terrible experience for him. And I wish I could remember who it was. I definitely have a picture of the oil melted into his leg. And it was like the size of like a 25 cent piece.

24:49BubblemanBut apparently it went in, went in a little bit. Worst place to get a hot dab has to be on the inside of your thigh. I'm just thinking that... That hurt for months on end.

25:02Etienne FontanYeah, I hurt from just hearing that. Christ.

25:05BubblemanIt was horrible, dude. And I gave it to him. Like just, you know, there was a time where I was absolutely fucking clueless to most things cannabis for certain in regards to dabbing. I was a late dabber. I didn't dab. Right away, I remember there was a guy, and I wish I could remember his actual name, but he went by Clear Domes. And he was a friend of mine from online, and he was always trying to get me.

25:29BubblemanI'm sure to this day, he tells people, I got Bubble Man into dabbing. It's his claim to fame for sure, because he definitely did. He was like, you got to get dabbing, man. You got to get dabbing. For me, it was tough because I was hitting off of a stainless steel screen. With Fulmel Bubble, and I was using the flame, swafting it back and forth, so I really was dabbing.

25:51BubblemanI was just doing it in a little bit of a more archaic way.

25:55Johnny BThere you go. Ashwin's got his too. Thank you. Boom. Little dabber.

26:01Etienne FontanYeah, these little micro torches from Blazer. I have one that's almost 30 years old that I got from... Yeah, these are a little more expensive, but they're worth it because these last decades...

26:14BubblemanThe old jet engines. And I'm sure people have burned themselves with those as well. You do once.

26:21Etienne FontanYou do once. Hey, welcome. Welcome to Colin.

26:27Collin PalmerThat's for these.

26:29BubblemanHappy Father's Day there, Father. Thanks, man. How you guys doing? Well, I'm pretty good. I wasn't sure we were going to see you today even for any amount of time. I figured you'd be out and about with the family, out in a boot.

26:42Collin PalmerI was, and then I'm back. I'm going to pop in for a minute. I want to make sure I'm keeping consistency with everybody. Appreciate it, brother. I just wanted to share space with you all because we're fam. I think it's a day of, for me, not only a reflection of my own journey, but We all share that, I think. It's definitely in our blood. That's awesome. Just enjoying the day and

27:31Collin PalmerI was just doing some dabs and looked at my watch and I was like, yo, I'm late.

27:40BubblemanIt's Saturday morning, man. It's Saturday morning. Well, I'm really hoping that this show will come together next week. I've been trying to organize it for months and there's almost been no communication. The abstract guys are very communicative, but I can't get... I talked to Jeremy Plum briefly. I can't get in touch with Alec Dixon. I can't seem to get Dr. Mark Lewis or Dr. Mark Sheldon to reply.

28:05BubblemanSo kind of putting it in the air. Worst case scenario, it's an abstract show and the rest of those guys don't make it. But I'm certainly not going to delay this any longer. I want to get into this conversation of aromatic volatiles. Long sulfur chain compounds. I think it'll be pretty, pretty awesome. But I guess we'll see.

28:25Collin PalmerWe'll see how it goes. Well, maybe I can contribute with them because I, you know, I've never said this out loud, but I spent, I don't know, two calls a week for two and a half years with these guys every week. And we've gone through the gamut. I mean, we created the sleep formulation with PAX Labs, with Abstract. We could talk maybe a little bit about that.

28:46Collin PalmerWe could talk about some of the research that we collectively did, some of the profiles that we kind of chased, and some of the CDT stuff that we talked about, how I was All of these people are kind of, you know, always battling the conversation with why not CDTs all the time. And if subverts terpenes, like why do we have to create profiles was a big conversation all the time that I'd bring up.

29:11Collin PalmerAnd they have some really great concepts as to why profiles can be built, right? But, you know, I think that's a, it's a, there's so many things we can talk about. With Abstract and their team, Max and his brother, they've put such a cool team together over there, just such humble, smart, and forward-thinking individuals that, you know, based on the work that they've done, it's really apparent to me that they really are just trying to find the truth, you know, like they're just trying to search through concepts and not really have too much of an ego about it, which is Really cool from a team of scientists that really all know so much.

29:54Collin PalmerYou know, it's like they're all so brilliant in their own right, but to bring them together as a team is really cool. So, you know, mad respect for Abstract and what they're doing and Continue to do. They've I've spent a lot of time with that team and they're really cool. There's not a whole lot of teams and, you know, volunteer organic compounds that are out there doing the work that they are doing.

30:17Collin PalmerMost of these people are just selling things. Right. Like they sell. Yeah. Right. And that's fine. But I also feel like Max and his brother and his team, not to keep talking about Max, but because I know Max would be like, no, it's not about me. It's the team. But that's That's why Max is who he is. He's just a great human. But they've they've just done a lot, you know, and they've they've really helped, you know, not only ourselves, I think as individuals here, you know, not on just only the panel, but those of us out there that are looking to make better products.

30:50Collin PalmerThey've given you the tools that otherwise just wouldn't be here, you know, so it's You know, it's really it's really easy to kind of look at terpene companies and say, oh, they just sell stuff. But abstract is very much the opposite. So it's really cool that, you know, they're willing to come on the show and want to talk about it because it's there's a lot of depth there.

31:12BubblemanMm hmm.

31:13Collin PalmerYeah. I don't even know if. I just want to take a second.

31:17Etienne FontanThank you, Colin, for your work with them. Because that's very important work that you did. And it's great that there are teams out there that are willing to listen actively because we found early on, like with the testing, you know, we had people that were like, no, no, no, we want to make proprietary. We're like, no, it needs to be open source. You know what I'm saying?

31:38Etienne FontanSo having ethical scientists there and literally guiding the way is crucial and important. More than you realize, people, because there's tons of people behind the scenes making it happen, and not all of us pop our heads up. And I want to thank you, Colin, because I know you've done that quietly behind the scenes, so mad respect.

31:56Collin PalmerThanks, man. Appreciate that. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but it's necessary. We have to understand, you know, one thing I learned working with a toxicologist is, you know, we come in for wellness and we leave with a world of chemicals that, you know, Thank you so much for joining us today.

32:41Collin PalmerYou know, it was a real eye-opening experience with them. And I think that's, you know, it'd be great to kind of have them talk about more of that to the public because there's a lot of knowledge that they can share on, you know, what does tox mean and how do these organic compounds kind of play a role in that, you know? And, you know, furthermore, if you're designing a profile, what other things are in there that may or may not be harmful to you, you know?

33:09Collin PalmerSo it's a big conversation, but it's super cool because, you know, the plant produces things that are equally as harmful as these other things that come out of nature, right? And we don't really often think about that. Puligone is one of them, right? We don't think of Puligone a lot, but it's certain varietals, you know, produce that in high amounts that we rarely kind of call out.

33:36Collin PalmerSo...

33:39Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll leave it there. What's up, Mark? Are we talking about chemistry again?

33:44Collin PalmerA little bit. I'm just touching on the fact that tox is a little more important than we may realize, especially when we're designing products for consumption. And I was just kind of pointing out how it was fairly new within the next last 10 years for me. I can't imagine... Thank you so much for joining us today.

34:27Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you so much for joining us.

34:48Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, inhaling a variety of different chemicals on there that, you know, it's one thing if I guess you're, you know, just consuming, you know, Plant material or, you know, hash where humans have been exposed to that for millennia. And it doesn't seem to cause the issues that it causes that, you know, companies like True Terpenes and all the other terpene companies can just load up, you know, all these terpenes and terpenoids.

35:19Dr Mark ScialdoneLike you mentioned, Polygon. Polygon is a really interesting one, right?

35:23Collin PalmerYep.

35:24Dr Mark ScialdoneI think it's a terpenoid, right? And so it's actually an oxidized terpene because there's a ketone in there, right? So there's an oxygen in there. And it's like there's related other ketone. Camphor is a ketone. Carbone is a ketone. Carbone is a really interesting one because One enantiomer smells like mint, kind of like a little piney, and the other enantiomer is exactly the essence of caraway seeds.

35:59Dr Mark ScialdoneSo if you've ever smelled rye bread, you know what caraway seed smells like. So yeah, I mean, the human olfactory is able to distinguish very slight differences in these.

36:14Dr Mark ScialdoneBut, you know, like the point you're bringing up, Colin, is super important because You know, the dose is in the poison, right? You're going to look at these compounds in very, very, very small quantities. And that's really what the abstracts folks have done great, you know, using their sophisticated chemical detector and the sulfur detector that they use. They're able to discern very, very small quantities of these thio compounds.

36:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd, you know, we all know that sulfur, yeah, it's got kind of like that rank shit smell to it. So, yeah, it's not a far stretch of the imagination that that's where that essence comes from in cannabis too as well. And yeah, just the amounts of those compounds, like when that's in natural gas doesn't smell at all. And they odor it with, I think, butane, thiol, and maybe a couple of the other really small volatile ones.

37:20Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they're only there in like part per million, part per billion concentration. And you could smell I think that's really what abstracts I think and you know again those folks who were doing this in in hops and certainly some of the same chemistry going on in hops I really kind of filled out the rest of the uh Puzzle on what makes campus smell the way it does, right?

37:56Dr Mark ScialdoneWe know the fruity smells. We know the gassy smells. Now we know the dank, skunky smells. What's responsible for those? Just like we've talked about before, it's a more full-bodied smell, just like when you're listening to an orchestra as opposed to just a string quartet. Can you reproduce an orchestral piece on a string quartet? Yeah, but it's not going to be as full-bodied, right?

38:26Collin PalmerYeah, that's well said. Yeah. And it's, you know, the things like one thing you said was, you know, like these flavorants that are not meant for insulation, like strawberry farinones, a good call out. Like there's a ton of that, you know, being used in lots of formulations that are inhaled at this point. And it's just, it's just. Yeah.

38:45Dr Mark ScialdoneAt higher, at high concentrations, those can be irritants. So that's, You know, that's where like, you know, the plant itself has kind of worked out, you know, I don't want to say it's worked out. I mean, it's it's bred for that, right? It's bred for flavor and the experience that humans get when they smoke it and consume it. Certainly, it's more pronounced in concentrates and hash. But you would think again that, you know, at this point in time, the best thing you could possibly be doing is just try to mimic what's going on in the plant.

39:20Dr Mark ScialdoneBut even the best flavored chemists can't get it, man. I mean, so it's cool. Abstracts, you know, thinks that they can put a profile in a bottle.

39:33Collin PalmerYeah.

39:33Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. It's profile in a bottle. You know, it's not as dank as the weed.

39:41Collin PalmerWell, I always say like therein lies the genetic exploration and you need, you know, you need genomic research to really start, you know, a breeding program for this. Right. And then, you know, which a lot of people are, we've had, um, a few people on here that are working with people like TBF, et cetera. And. You know, just from what I've seen at scale with those alone, I've been to Byron, I've been to those farms and seen those plants alive.

40:09Collin PalmerI mean, it's all possible. It's just how much work do you want to put in, you know?

40:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, but like it's just the wine industry, for example, you know, because it's kind of similar, right? Has a lot to do with the genetics of the plant, has a lot to do with how the plant is grown, you know, the terroir. The, the care that's taken because you're not, you're not consuming the great plant, right. You're consuming a processed product from the plant. So yeah. Yeah.

40:41Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, you know, and, and, you know, really see companies trying to reproduce terpene profiles of grapes. So it's like, I think the plants got it down plants. Pretty good chemist. Yeah. And after all,

40:55Collin PalmerI called nature's chemist, Mark, you know, like nature's chemist, not to be played with, you know, like, quote me on that, you know, you can't, you know, I've seen it. I mean, I've seen supercomputers built with pipettes and trying to, you know, mimic the whole thing. It's just, it's like you said, you're using a, you know, a quartet.

41:18Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, you got to wonder like if maybe an application of AI in this field of flavorants and flavors and whatnot can be used in a productive way to basically get to optimize flavors that can be reproduced or chemically synthesized.

41:41Johnny BI created a GTP around this. It's a genotype GTP. Not exactly what you're talking about right now. It's pretty cool.

41:50Collin PalmerYeah, likewise. I mean, here's the question for the group, though. Do we have enough information to really build it? Because this has been, you know, come across me a few times over the past, call it six, seven years. Like, can we build an AI that could then build formulations that could build this, that, and the other, right?

42:09Bubbleman100%.

42:11Etienne FontanSure.

42:12Collin PalmerBut here's the question to the group. Do we truly have the assays to do what we're saying, right? Can we actually call out all the chemical constituents to then actually build it? Are we missing out whole subclasses? You know, I'm just asking the question. I don't know.

42:30Etienne FontanYou have to start somewhere, right? We started when I tested for originally back in 07 and 08, right? We were just testing for THC, right? Right. And we did that, right? So you got to start with a block somewhere. Now, what are we testing for? Now we're testing for a whole bunch. So were we missing something? Yes, we were missing a lot, but we had to find a cornerstone, right?

42:53Etienne FontanAnd we did. And then when we found that secondary cornerstone, what did we do? We rushed back to Ms. Shulam's work and oh, look, oh, we found CBD, right? So... We also know, and let me put that caveat, we also don't know what problems are going to arise from starting at this starting point, right? Because that's what we saw. We saw that a lot of anecdotal conversations have now become a realization with You know, chemically, because science is caught up, but science is not caught up here yet, because we know no one's been able to make, just for the layman, a replicative formula of cannabis on the flower to what we, you know, ingest or what can be made in a lab.

43:39Etienne FontanAnd that's not there, hasn't been there, far from there. We've realized we're so far from there, the only way to do it is to extract it from there. So... We learn through our failures and where we want to be because now it's put us here. So I'll turn that question around, Colin. When do you think it will be ready to start?

44:01Collin PalmerI don't know. I keep going back to the assays. Like we have to be able to see what's fully there to really recreate it. Like it's almost like not having the full color spectrum to then recreate a painting, right? So I think that we can, or in music terms, we don't have the full, we don't have the, the, all of the, we don't have the full picture of the composition.

44:24Collin PalmerLike it's not like we may have the chorus and verse, but we don't have the bridges, right?

44:29BubblemanWe only have six of the chromatic notes. How about that?

44:32Collin PalmerYeah, okay, that's even a better analogy. So like that's how I look at it is like we're playing guitar, right? But we're missing whole inversion, like we don't even know how to do inversions.

44:42Etienne FontanWe're playing grunge or three-chord punk, right?

44:46Collin PalmerTotally, yeah, that's a great analogy too. Yeah, we're kind of there. Yeah, we're playing three-chord punk, which is cool because you can make that your whole life, right? And that's amazing in its own right, but there is a world out there that I think of when I, you know, like how do we get to the... You know, the Bill Laswell of cannabis, right? How do we get to the, you know, or whatever, insert here, whatever your analogy is, but it's, I think we're, to get there, I think you're right.

45:17Collin PalmerWe have to, we have to develop it. But I, you know, I just, I get this like constant, like confidence and like, you can just use it. And I'm, you know, I'm always like, well, If I had all the notes, I guess I could probably play that composition, but I don't have it to Mark's point, right? I'm playing punk right now, right? So I don't know. That's kind of how I've looked at it is, you know, I feel like the more we know, we realize how little we know.

45:48Collin PalmerThank you so much for having me.

46:11Collin PalmerRight. But I don't think it's sound enough yet.

46:14BubblemanI always appreciated Sam's perspective. You know, when I was in Leiden with Skunk Man Sam, we were in the front row at the International Cannabis Research Society event. And this must have been like 2013. 14 or something. I remember Dr. Mark Lewis was there and Chimera, I believe, was there. There was a bunch of us that were there and we were sitting in the front row and one of the presentations was about creating cannabinoids in a reactor.

46:44BubblemanSo it was back to this like, oh, we're going to just grow these cannabinoids. And, you know, I'll never forget Dave leaning over to me and saying like, I really don't see a day where they're ever gonna be able to do this cheaper than I can do breeding and growing in a field. He's like, I can just breed these compounds into the plant and then I can grow like acres of it and they're just gonna have a hard time Thank you so much for joining us.

47:34BubblemanBut it's not quite, I have yet to see anyone come even close. And even when they first started doing it, like scientists, like Dr. Ethan Russo with True Terpenes, I was just like, but like, you can't really create an aromatic profile without all the aromatics, right? Like you just, I mean, I get that we know there's 16 terpenes present, but you're just going to put those 16 terpenes together and then that's going to be, What you think is a representation of these very complex compounds.

48:07BubblemanIt's one of the reasons, Dr. Mark, I want to get yourself and the abstract team on there, but I also want to get Marshall Laguerre, Nick Ziegler, and Nick's analytical team that built the equipment to perceive the thiols and thiolates Thank you so much for joining us.

48:34BubblemanI've heard from Jeremy Plum a little bit. He said he was going to make his best attempt. He was flying from Columbia to Hawaii to Peru to wherever, literally on the day of this episode. But he said he would try to make it. And I think he would be a great addition. But I really am hoping Marshall and Nick and the analytical team from Yakima Chief Hops are able to make this conversation because I think it'll be a...

49:00BubblemanI think it'll be a much fuller profile, if you will. If we only have abstract, it's kind of like just inviting, you know, the long sulfur chain compounds. I don't know. It's metaphorically, I just want all of us to show up for this. I'd love to have Alec from SC Labs. I'd love to have, you know, Jeremy, obviously, Dr. Mark Lewis and Nick and... And Marshall. Hopefully those guys can can make it out.

49:28BubblemanI keep sending emails. I keep sending texts. I'm not feeling overly on about it, but I figure if they can't show up, we still do an episode. We crush it out of the park. I send it to all of those guys that didn't show up and then they'll be like frothing at the mouth to get in and have their say on the conversation because I know it's going to be a great one.

49:51Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I thought we were on for next week, 22nd now.

49:54BubblemanWe are. We are. I just don't know. Like Nick wanted to create a structure, much like Rob Clark requested. He didn't want to just have an open conversation that went in every single direction. He was like, let's just, you know, and for me, he hasn't really been replying to emails. So I don't, I'm going to try and call him this week and see, you know, it was, it was always interesting.

50:15BubblemanIt wasn't always about having him on. It was always about him and Marshall and this analytical team that put this analytical equipment together to proceed these compounds in the first place. He really wanted them to come on because he was kind of saying a lot of the work was their work. He didn't want to take credit for it. Hopefully we can make it happen with that team as well as abstracts.

50:37BubblemanBut bottom line is we're absolutely doing it next week. I know Marshall Laguerre, PhD and sensory scientist is going to be there for sure. It sounds like Jeremy will make it. I know you and abstract are going to be there. So it should be, it should be fine. I just obviously am, you know, wanting everyone to, uh,

50:55Etienne FontanYou're starting the conversation. You can have others. It's not like it's the last hash church, Mark. So, you know, you're starting it and it'd be great if they were all there because it would be the first time that all of this discussion would be public, right? Most of these things happen behind the scenes, behind closed doors or behind, or if you're lucky enough to catch a seminar, right?

51:17Etienne FontanAnd I think it's very important for us to get this information out there. There's so many questions. Our viewers have, not including ourselves, right, that we're able to ask and dispel. And that's really a major thing because, you know, this is another frontier. And to help understand those frontiers with those that went through the woods, that went through the valleys, that went through the water. Can help give you a perspective unlike anything that it's one of those things I learned when I was doing science is there's a whole journey along the way and that journey of learning is crucial to understanding about how we arrived there.

51:55Etienne FontanI'm a lay scientist but I had to appreciate that as a lay scientist but I must say to Dr. Mark and Colin as professional you know scientists that must be satisfying to pull through.

52:11Etienne FontanThe few times it does, right?

52:12Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, I mean, in general, you know, people are hungry for information, right? Science is just a mechanism to provide that information. So, yeah, it's great. You know, and the thing with the abstracts folks is, you know, they've published an awful lot of their stuff. So a lot of their stuff is on open access out on the Internet. So you could read about it, what's going on.

52:41Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they do have a really talented team. And part of their business is a bottom line focused business that's looking to sell products and become profitable. But I think the powers to be there also see the intellectual property that can be generated by conducting research. You know, that's what excites me about it is that, you know, they're doing research and they're figuring out, you know, all the things that are in some of these varieties.

53:22Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, their work is really super interesting because what they've done too is they've looked at Like they've compared rosins, you know, and, you know, obviously there is some effect in the rosin, you know, like because you're heating it up. So there could be certainly a way of, you know, I don't know, losing some of the most volatile notes, perhaps doing some oxidation in that process. Be interesting to actually compare, say, rosin from the same variety Uh, as you know, either dry sift or BHO and look to see, you know, what kind of changes in between terpene profiles you can see as a function of the process that's used to isolate the grapes, you know?

54:10Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, yeah, I mean all those studies that they've put out there in the literature, I think have attracted a lot of attention. They had like two different booths at BizCon this year and they had one booth that was just dedicated. You wouldn't even know it was a cannabis company, Colin.

54:29Collin PalmerI was supposed to be there, man. I wanted to. I was like, yeah. Because he told me about the whole, what they're doing with SC Labs. They're trying to further Phytofax. They're trying to get You know, a better, broader understanding of that through, you know, I can't remember the term that Max used, but it's, it's, and honestly, I want to say this to the viewers, like it's because the owners of the company are true heads.

54:55Collin PalmerLike they, they love fantastic, Amazingly grown, beautiful cannabis and they love the extract of it. They spend a lot of time with 710 Labs and Brad and those guys, they're all friends. And I think they're just very into high quality cannabis. And I think as a result, They're interested in the unknown. And as a founder and CEO, Max really pushes that narrative because he believes in it.

55:24Collin PalmerAnd it's really unique to have someone that sees the value in that in a C-suite like that. I think, Mark, you've said that a few times before. You really value people that see that at an executive level. It's rare that you do you do see that. So to your point, I think, Max, with the comment you made about the non-cannabis looking company is trying to make it more approachable because, you know, one thing I wanted to say is he when he told me about the hop stuff that he was doing before he released the information that he was doing all that work.

55:59Collin PalmerIt all kind of makes sense because it's all related to one another, right? So they're actually growing hops in Oregon. I think we should talk about this on the show and ask them how that research cross-complements itself because they're able to see it so much, you know, and that's something in our world we don't see a lot of. So... Yeah, I think they've done such a good job to your point, Mark, that at MJBiz when they revealed it, you know, what was your take on that?

56:28Collin PalmerLike when you saw it, were you just kind of like excited? Like, what was your thoughts?

56:32Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, they had a sensory booth. They had their regular booth where they just were giving out swag and They had reprints of Ian and TJ's papers and kind of most of their sales people were trying, were talking with You know, basically CPG end of the business, you know, consumer products. So looking at, you know, okay, we want a sour diesel soda or something like that. So let's go over there, see what their sour diesel flavor tastes like, maybe get some prototypes and sodas.

57:16Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd, you know, it's, you know, again, kind of like what ATN was saying before, I mean, trying to reproduce Cannabis flavors and cannabis profiles. And now pairing that up with hemp derived D9 is, you know, okay, I guess we could put, you know, we can completely engineer cannabis products, right? Because we could take chemically derived D9. You saw that interesting thread on LinkedIn this week with that guy, right?

57:49Collin PalmerSo I and I'll just address that for you. Like that went completely like right here and then went like like a million miles an hour right over. It was like aerodynamics of air like flying right over his head. It just, it was, it was astounding. And guys, what we're talking about is Mark made a comment about HD9 and how we don't really understand the isomers. And maybe you can, you know, kind of talk about it, Mark, a little bit, but we seem to be blind.

58:20Dr Mark ScialdoneWe do. I mean, from the chemistry point of view, all that chemistry is known. We do understand that when you chemically convert, Thank you for joining us today.

58:54Dr Mark ScialdoneI was like, oh, okay, KCA compliant. So KCA, for those of you who don't know, is a hemp and cannabis testing lab in Kentucky. They're really good too. KCA's chief scientist, It is Dr. Marks, and he really knows what he's doing. Richard Marks, really bright guy. He's spoken on our ACS group had a YouTube video on Delta 8, where we talk about some of the byproducts that are made in Delta 8.

59:29Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Dr. Marks commented on that. And was actually the inspiration for the analytical group that came in chemical to develop and publish an application note on using gas chromatography instead of HPLC to analyze Delta 8. So Delta 8 Well, Delta-8 products and now hemp derived D9 are derived in the chemical conversion of CBD. And so you don't need to run HPLC on those because There's no acids, right?

1:00:11Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause everything's been decarboxylated, right? So you can get away with doing gas chromatography. And as it turns out, HPLC, the byproducts co-elute. That's what this guy doesn't understand. First of all, this guy had no idea who I am. When he was commenting, he was like, oh, you don't have any data. And it's like, you know what? I do have data, actually. But I ain't going to share it with you on this thread.

1:00:37Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll just, I think I commented in that thread that he was fooled by multiple misconceptions.

1:00:44Collin PalmerHe's a writer too, so let's call this out. He's writing on behalf of these chemicals, right?

1:00:51Dr Mark ScialdoneHe's a hemp guy. Yeah, he's got hemp products. He's selling THC over state lines. Kevin McKernan pointed that out to him, which I don't think he'd like to hear. But he wrote a kind of like an op-ed piece on hemp-derived D9s not so bad, folks. You know, like fentanyl and heroin, yeah, those things are real bad. Hemp-derived D9, no one's dying from it. No one's whatever. Tried to make a kind of like just a businessman's point of view.

1:01:21Dr Mark ScialdoneDoesn't really understand the science, which is, I guess, you know, very par for the course these days. There's a lot of people who are making money In the quote unquote cannabis slash hemp industry that don't really understand, all they know is that they're making money and that people wanna buy these things. And remember when you sell a beverage, most of what you're selling is water. So it's cheap to make these things.

1:01:52Dr Mark ScialdoneOnce you have the equipment that could make these in bulk, you turn on that machine And it's like a license to print money, right? I mean, these things are selling and they're selling in some of the most cannabis unfriendly markets here. And then when they run in the states like California, ATN could tell you there's lawsuits in California that hemp derived. People are, again, bringing stuff into California.

1:02:20Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's completely like weird, right? To think that cannabis products or products that contain THC are being imported into California. That's totally nuts because California outproduces its ability to consume. That's why there's such still a big black market that stems from California. But just go back to this guy's thread for a second. So Kevin McKernan chimed in. With a link to the hemp hoax, and that was a thing that Martin Lee and the Project CBD people put out that kind of described that a lot of products are being produced today under the hemp banner that don't come from hemp at all.

1:02:58Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd in fact, if you separate CBD coming from hemp, right, because CBD could be made synthetically, and I believe the cheap supply of CBD in the world is made synthetically and not derived from hemp. Now you could take a completely synthetic intermediate, convert it into the active ingredient of cannabis, add some flavors from abstracts, and now you can fool people in that, oh, That really did come from cannabis when it's just all completely synthetic, like, you know, grape soda.

1:03:33Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's no grape juice and grape soda. It's all just, you know, artificial coloring and flavoring. But, you know, I guess at the end of the day, those products sell. You know, you go to Walmart. I mean, people buy grape flavored shit, right? Grape flavored sugar water sells, you know, red. Cherry flavored soda water sells. So, you know, the bulk of the American consuming public at least would buy stuff because it's priced right as opposed to quality artisan stuff.

1:04:14Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I don't know where to go with this.

1:04:17Collin PalmerWell, no, what you're touching on really strikes a chord with me because it's like cost of goods. Like I look at terpene costs all the time and I'm like, why is the botanical still so much cheaper than the CDTs, Cannabis Diverge? Like it's still, we're talking like huge gaps, man. Like you're talking liters that could go for six to 8,000 bucks or something. We'll call it 2,500 all the way up to 12,000 bucks, like depending on your source and how good it is.

1:04:45Collin PalmerThat's still worlds away from what a botanical isolated terpene at its purest form could be. I mean, you're talking into purity too, right, Mark? Yeah, well, I mean, plant doesn't produce purity.

1:05:00Dr Mark ScialdoneWith things like limonene, you're up against the citrus industry, right? It's a byproduct of crushed orange peels, right? So if you're getting limonene, At such a scale that it just, you can't, you just can't compete. I mean, I think that's one of the things is that in a commodity industry, you know, and we are, you know, cannabis by definition is a commodity. And I think that's what this guy does.

1:05:33Dr Mark ScialdoneThis guy, I think in his, in his thread, kind of like almost admits that this is a fucking commodity. And he's right because he said the THC molecule, whether it's derived from cannabis or it's been synthesized, Delta nine trans, you know, 10 AR, not six AR is that I, yeah, the molecule is identical. That's right. But the process that's being used to make Dr. John Aucott, MD, M.D., M.D., M.D.

1:06:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I'm right. You're right.

1:06:29Collin PalmerWe really don't understand those things. And I think that was kind of your point of what you said. And I don't know how that missed there, but I think it's something that I think eludes the most sophisticated people sometimes in the business sector of this whole thing. They just don't get it, man. They don't understand.

1:06:49Dr Mark ScialdoneTo a businessman, it's just a commodity.

1:06:51Collin PalmerTotally.

1:06:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYou say that this active ingredient has got some bad actors in it. Fine. I'll find a new supplier, get a different active ingredient. We'll get a different COA. Maybe this COA was only 78%. Maybe this COA is 88%. So I'm paying a little bit more for this one. But, you know, at the end of the day, as long as they taste like grape soda and 7-Up, who gives a shit?

1:07:20Dr Mark ScialdonePeople love them and they want to buy them. The question I think that you have to ask companies like True Terpenes and Abstracts, I mean, it's interesting, again, the notion that they can reproduce a terpene profile from something that somebody can grow from a cannabis plant. I think still, I'm not convinced that they're complete matches. I think the abstract stuff with the thiols kind of helps The terpenes along because now you can really start to add that spiciness and that fire and that gas that terpenes to me, they all smell the same.

1:08:06Dr Mark ScialdoneThey all smell like turpentine or it's like it's got that kind of like You know, Pine Sol, Lemon, Citrusy. Yeah, it kind of all smells the same, but cannabis smells very, very different from one another. And I think that the abstract guys are onto it, that these thiols, which are there at a much smaller concentration, really steer a lot of that, a lot of that sensory perception that we have.

1:08:33Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I love the connection that they've made between gas and the tropicals. Because if you look at some of their work, I think their most, the latest work, they go after those tropa, canna, sulfur compounds. And I guess they find them in not just really gassy things, but they find them in the, what is that? Baccio, gelato, that one strain. In fact, Mario was, was there. At BizCon, and when they were talking about it, they shouted out Mario, and Mario was really psyched, because I'm sure he's making a lot of money on that variety.

1:09:13Collin PalmerYeah, no, but it's but again, I think they they they're pulling together the right minds to try to provide something for the market here in terms of morals that I think is, you know, I think it's important to keep pushing that that narrative is like we were trying to build something that Thank you so much for joining us.

1:09:49BubblemanSo you keep talking about Max. I've been talking to the abstract guys now for a couple months, and Max isn't on the email. It's Ian, it's David, it's... There's like four or five or six of them, but no Max.

1:10:02Collin PalmerYeah, so Max Kobe founded the company with his brother. All those guys work for Max. Right, so I guess he just doesn't want to be a part of the show, maybe.

1:10:10Dr Mark ScialdoneIs his name Kevin?

1:10:12Collin PalmerKevin's his brother, the COO. Okay, Kevin's the COO. Yeah, yeah. So they're both Southern California guys. Great guy. Like, dude, such... I've had dinner with them at MJ.

1:10:23BubblemanI don't think Max is coming on the show is all I'm saying because you've mentioned him like 20 or 30 times now and he's the only one that I haven't spoken to on the email chain yet. Ian, they keep bringing up Ian like he's the main guy or something. I don't know. Maybe he's the main chemist or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Max is obviously welcome.

1:10:41BubblemanThey're all welcome to come. Everyone's welcome to come. The whole community is welcome to come for this show. No, not really, actually. Most people are not going to be welcome to come on this show. But it's cool. I'd like to meet him for sure. Sounds like an interesting fellow.

1:10:59Collin PalmerI'm texting him right now. I said, hey, brother. Happy Father's Day.

1:11:03Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, Ian is kind of like their, I think he's the director, but I think TJ might be the chief scientist. So TJ Martin knew Ian from graduate school and TJ hired Ian from what I understand.

1:11:20BubblemanThose names I recognize, Twinkle, Ian, TJ, David.

1:11:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, David Cooper is kind of like their marketing guy, I think.

1:11:30BubblemanOkay, okay, okay. Yeah, he's the one kind of organizing and helping like organize the show.

1:11:39Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and he's the guy, are they sponsoring the show too, Marcus? I'm not too sure, actually, to be honest.

1:11:45BubblemanThat kind of fell to the way.

1:11:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, you should send him, just send David an email and tell him that, We look forward to you sponsoring this episode. They sponsor a lot of YouTube commercials. I'm surprised how much abstracts advertising I see on YouTube.

1:12:06Collin PalmerThey also have Terplandia, who is the CDT side of their business for them, which they'd be good to have on. They have a spot in Kentucky. They do dry farming there. It'd be interesting to hear about that, too. Yeah, absolutely.

1:12:27BubblemanJust smashed out the last of the sauce rosin labs. Shout out to those guys in the craft greenery for making it available in Canada. This is some of the best rosin that's currently available in the legal market by a mile. What's it go for?

1:12:48Johnny BWhich one is it?

1:12:49BubblemanI'm not sure what it goes for. It's called Sauce Rosin Labs. I would think it's probably got to be 50 plus bucks a gram.

1:12:59BubblemanBut I'd have to ask the, you know what? I bet you Mark's watching right now and he's probably going to text me here soon and tell me what the price is. 80 bucks a gram. 80 bucks a gram? Who said that? No, no, no, no, no. I'm only kidding. He's got that for his back. He's going to be right. Damn. Not one of those $80 a grams.

1:13:19Collin PalmerDamn. I'm going to go get myself my Puffco and we're going to all do a dab here. So I'm going to have to go in a little bit. I like it.

1:13:28BubblemanI like it. If we have to, gosh darn it. Oh, it's yeah. It's tough. I know it's tough. I just had those from high maintenance. I know what you're showing, Johnny B. Those are my partner's products.

1:13:44Johnny BMy volume was turned down, so I haven't been hearing me. These are great. I love these. These are your partners. Good job, because you know what?

1:13:49SpeakerA couple of little birds in there. Check this out. Open it up.

1:13:53BubblemanYeah, it's freeze dried candy.

1:13:56Johnny BThey just melt in your mouth.

1:13:57BubblemanYeah, they disappear. They sell those for, I want to say, six bucks for 10 milligrams.

1:14:04Johnny BYeah, whatever.

1:14:06BubblemanOuch. Yeah, no, I was with them, yes, two days ago. Those were my partners over at the old Embark facility, so they're canning up. They're brave. They created a woman's brand, and they called it High Maintenance. I was like, damn, you guys are hardcore, the high maintenance. But I think there was a cultural miss there because they are Chinese and I don't think they caught it the same way as I caught it.

1:14:38BubblemanBut I was like, it's a nice brand. They're doing interesting things. Yeah, a little tuna can. Those little cans definitely keep things fresh but wow it's like still so much like waste for like a small piece of candy with 10 milligrams to have an entire can with a lid and a

1:15:03Etienne FontanThe overuse in the cannabis industry of products for viability of what they're using is still way off the mark. And I learned that, no offense to Dr. Mark, I learned that when I was at the visited one of the packaging universities and was discussing, you know, how much we and how much we quickly we use the product Yet the containers are left around forever. And that's a huge problem with the cartridges.

1:15:34Etienne FontanThere's a huge problem with the plastic waste, mylar waste. It's a dirty, open fucking secret that nobody wants to talk about. But we all have to have childproof containers for some reason by law. And so we have, you know, dabs that will go through in a week in containers that will last 10,000 plus years. Make it make sense people.

1:16:01Johnny BI got a box of them right here.

1:16:02BubblemanIt just won't make sense dude. It can't.

1:16:06Etienne FontanWe're stoners. We should figure this shit the fuck out, man.

1:16:09BubblemanWell, I remember when I first started maybe three or four years ago going around to the stores in Canada and seeing how much garbage was all around the store. Just exactly what you mentioned from Mylars to vape pen cartridges to boxes to like all the packaging. I was just like... I was like, fuck, can't you just throw it? Like, it would be next to a garbage can.

1:16:34BubblemanLike, they wouldn't even be able to like, oh, I can't even throw this away. I'm just gonna throw it on the ground. And it was kind of the first... A bit of a bummer when I saw, you know, all of that just sort of plastic waste.

1:16:49Johnny BIt's like thrown somewhere on the side of a road. It's one product, one package that doesn't get thrown away. People keep it.

1:16:55BubblemanWell, and it'll be around for 10,000 years, just like all the other packaging.

1:17:01Johnny BFunny that you bring this to be recyclable. That's the best thing about it. It's like the lush packaging. They have a recycling program. So long as we match and have the same program.

1:17:09BubblemanBut here's my problem with recycling programs. Recycling doesn't work and nobody does it. And if you have a product that cannabis has touched, you're not allowed to recycle it. They don't let you recycle it again for use. If resin was in it, it gets treated like this. You know the deal in Canada, at least. It's this weird like, oh, resin went in it. This has to be destroyed.

1:17:33BubblemanNow, here in Canada, we had a group that went and GPSed. They bought a bunch of garbage, like truckloads of it. I think two or three semi trailers worth, big cubes. And then they just put the GPS tags in all the plastic garbage. And then they followed it to an incinerator. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:18:14BubblemanAnd I used to work for a recycling company back in the day. My buddy Jeff started one of the first companies in Canada. It was Blue Box. And this was in the 80s. He started the Blue Box company and he was the first one. And all the Blue Boxes today come from his Blue Box company. It was very successful and very big. But I remember kind of towards the end, him being like, It's not viable.

1:18:40BubblemanYou can't make money doing this, especially because A, everything you collect can't be recycled. So you collect everything and then you take it and then you break it down into the different, I guess, qualities. And the highest quality one can be recycled. Now, one of the things we found out early is that if you don't rinse out the recyclables, none of that stuff gets recycled. If there's food in it, If there's little bits of food inside the glass jars or whatever, it doesn't go into the recycler.

1:19:14BubblemanSo I definitely think whoever just said we're smart, we're stoners, I think it was you, Etienne, we can figure this out. I agree. I totally think we're smart enough to figure this out. I think that the people that are alive on this planet right now have the brainpower to do it. It's hard. It's already hard to

1:19:43BubblemanTo just, you know, fight for what you believe in, you know, to the point of... Well, people are saying, oh wait, but what about hemp plastics?

1:19:52Etienne FontanAnd yes, there are a few hemp plastics, but you know what? There's not a recycling place that will recycle them or deal with them in any way, shape, or form, unfortunately. On top of that, they're still using conventional polymers. With this sort of stuff. So it's a step in the direction, but far from the steps that are needed. So, yeah.

1:20:11BubblemanAnd I'm not, I'm not the guy either that says, oh, you can't, you don't need plastic. I'm like, we use plastic so much on a daily basis. It's utterly incomplete. Like we, none of us would even be on the show right now without plastic. Literally the housing of your computers. So much is made out of plastic. I love the idea of creating a more sort of, you know, environmentally friendly plastic, at least one that could break down and not be toxic and live forever and get inside our brains and other things.

1:20:46BubblemanBut yeah, it's a tough one, man, because I used to be a big proponent of recycling and You know, I still do it. My wife has me bring all the stuff down to the curb and I separate everything. And then I watch them all come and grab all the bins and just throw them all into the same truck. And I'm sitting there going, those motherfuckers are taking that to go be burnt in the Philippines.

1:21:06BubblemanLike it's not even going. And the craziest thing, this documentary or whatever this is. You know, group that went and did the GPS thing. They were saying that it was like it was in the high 80s of materials that go to be recycled that are not recycled. It was like less than 10% of shit that actually got recycled, which is better than nothing. I'll agree, but it's still...

1:21:32BubblemanStill a bummer. Still feels a little bit like we got sold something that maybe isn't living up to its name. Dude, I was just driving home. I digress.

1:21:43Collin PalmerOn the show, and I look to the right, I see this white bag of a logo that actually I created, and I sure as not just was like, got out of the car, and I picked up the package with the exit bag in hand, chocolate bar ripped apart, not in the package. You know, the big bar like this still, you know, not the chocolate bar, the packaging like this big with the exit bag still stapled with the receipt on it, just on the side of the road.

1:22:13Dr Mark ScialdoneI couldn't believe it.

1:22:14Collin PalmerI picked it up and was like, first of all, I was like, this guy couldn't have thrown this out. And then second of all, I was like, my old company, like, like what?

1:22:26BubblemanWell, it's, you know what? Everything we do ends up in one place, the garbage. I mean, it was pretty trash anyway.

1:22:34Collin PalmerSo the whole like, of course, like it's this it's this label, it's everything here. You know, it's funny you brought this up because I was thinking about it. I was like, we have to I think we've all probably on the show here and others out there listening. We've all tried to implement some version of something that could be recyclable or something towards the end of that. And we've all hit a red wall or maybe even a red wall.

1:23:00Collin PalmerYou know, a little anger in there because you're, you realize that there's the industry doesn't support this, right? It's like, it's like an industry thing. It's bigger than all of us. It's, it's larger than one's thought and one's capabilities at that point. And to what you're kind of getting at Marcus is there's no built, there's no infrastructure that makes dollars and cents for those that the powers that be that want to spend money on this to even do it, which is, Kind of insane.

1:23:27Collin PalmerI mean, it just highlights the insanity and the cycle and the system that we've put ourselves in that we seemingly can't break. You know, it's like,

1:23:36BubblemanWell, it goes back even to the product. You know, we're sitting here talking about like the organic living soil expressed by the plant versus like, let's just stack a bunch of turps and files and make a, you know what I mean? And then I'm sitting here the whole time you guys are talking and I'm like, wow, safety, toxicology. I'm thinking toxicology, dude. The two most popular drugs on the planet are alcohol and radioactive cigarettes.

1:24:02BubblemanSo like just that's the bar that we're dealing with. So it's like at that point, it's like, you could be selling radioactive terpenes.

1:24:12Etienne FontanAnd you're totally right. It should be fine. Like I'm sure people will love them.

1:24:16BubblemanYou know, we've talked about this before. Well, you know, it's the taste thing. Like I think a lot of people have blown out their olfactory to the point where they don't perceive these flavor profiles the same way that maybe some of us that have been like refining our palates and maturing our palates over decades do. And so when they smell and taste a botanical terpene, you know, they're like, Oh, that tastes like pineapple.

1:24:44BubblemanLike they're actually like I've seen it. I've witnessed that they get pretty excited that they can. And I'm not talking down on these people in any way. I think I would be the same way if I smoked a bunch of cigarettes and didn't really have my olfactory intact. And I couldn't really taste and smell the way I once used to. And then someone gave me a joint with raspberry, cherry, whatever.

1:25:04BubblemanI'd be like, whoa, like I can. You can taste that on your lips. You can take like now because my palate is so refined. That just tastes like some strawberry flavored Lysol disinfectant to me. It goes, I can't even inhale it. Forget about it. I was in a car once where my friend Allison... Thank you so much for watching.

1:25:40BubblemanIs the number one selling joint SKU in Canada. That's what that was. And I was just like, you gotta be kidding me. I'm like, what is it? She's like floor sweepings, distillate and botanical terpenes. Number one, number one SKU in Canada. So I don't know, man, like we are the anomaly.

1:26:02Collin PalmerGo ahead. No. Is it because so I was thinking about this when I was asked to make all these vape stuff in the last five years and I've been like kind of studying and I was thinking about it. What is it because kids don't or people and I'm going to call you age group, just people in general have not experienced the voluntary organic potential of the plants potential.

1:26:30Collin PalmerFor them to want to taste something. And then when we give them the something, it's like, oh, we're just going to give you Farinones, Starby Farinones and all these other things. And yeah, you'll get some thiol, some sulfurs in there. We'll throw it in there for good measure. And these 12 terpenes that make you feel like you're getting a version of OG Kush.

1:26:53Collin PalmerYou know, what is it? Is it Jewel that did this to the consumer? Is it the lack of quality that, like I said, with lack of...

1:27:02BubblemanI don't think so, man. I think if you made this available to people, even affordably, a huge percentage would still choose botanical terpenes. They'd still, no matter how, and I don't know why that is. I really don't. I think it's...

1:27:17Collin PalmerI think going back to like psychology of like as a kid, I like grape, like Welch's grape.

1:27:22BubblemanI think it goes back to price and THC percent. Like my daughter, she works at a dispensary and she sells a ton of weed every day. And I asked her the other day, I said, so is it still, you know, I want the best deal, highest THC for the lowest price. And she's like, 100%. That's what they're looking for all day long. So it really becomes this thing that we never want to talk about, which is affordability, the money aspect.

1:27:52BubblemanLike what do people have on a daily basis or a weekly basis or a monthly basis to be able to spend on their cannabis? Because I no longer exist in the reality of, oh, anyone can grow cannabis. Fuck. Right. You know what? Growing cannabis is kind of hard. And I would say that not anyone can grow cannabis. I have met many people who cannot grow cannabis. I might be one of them at this point in time.

1:28:19BubblemanNow I've got my six plants out on the deck and I'm doing the best I can. But, uh, Yeah, it's not so easy for just anyone to produce exceptional quality resin. It's easy to plant plants and bud them out and get something, just like it is easy to go to the store and buy something. The harder... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:29:09BubblemanAnd I just had to swallow the pill that that's not like, why would I be so? Like, what am I, a narcissist that I just thought like the whole world would want what I want? Like, no, like I learned that people like BHO and people like joints and people like Irv Rosenfield likes shitty joints. We had him on the show talking about his bunk 300 gram joints that he smokes monthly.

1:29:36BubblemanAnd, you know, myself and Etienne and Todd and probably many of the rest of you were like, no, we're going to get you something special, brother. And he was like, guys, This is special to me. I don't need anything. And we were just like, Like glitching out. Like, what are you talking about? Like, of course you need, like you need, just let me, let me know. He's like, I can trade on these joints.

1:29:59BubblemanI'm smoking these joints. Everything's perfect. I can operate. I can. And I do think that there's a real value in that. I think that it hasn't quite happened yet through the federal legalization. I think people are terrified of THC. A lot of people that don't smoke a lot. And I think the biggest part of cannabis has yet to expand and explode in Which will be, you know, the NAPRO type 2 plants that have no THC, but all the flavor profiles and THC profile plants, type 1 and 2 plants, maybe mixed that have that under 10% or under 12% THC, but with all the flavor profiles.

1:30:40BubblemanBecause I hear people say it all the time, dude, if weed wasn't so strong. I would smoke that shit all day long. Well, companies are going to figure that out, that if you reduce the THC percentage and you don't turn everyone into fucking zombies, that they'll smoke a lot more of the product. It tastes so good. Like for me, dabs, I only stop taking dabs because I end up like so high.

1:31:01BubblemanLike I just took a rocket ship to Mars that I don't need anymore. But you don't think I wouldn't take like a tasty GMO rip that just like imagine dabs that don't destroy you. You know, like there always will be dabs that do destroy you, but I believe there's a place, and I kind of learned this from giving micro dabs. What's that? There's a huge market for it.

1:31:21Collin PalmerI mean, I get asked all the time by people in New York, like, can you make something that's less strong? You know, I mean, people older, the whole, there's a whole... We're all the users that want that. I mean, you know, and honestly, respectfully, there's some varietals like if you went back in time, that's probably what they would produce by by design, right? Like low, low THC, high spread of of other other cannabinoids, you know, their acid form.

1:31:50Collin PalmerYeah, things like that. I mean, that's a good, good example. Exactly. Harlequin, you know, a big shout out to to To all of that, you know, and big, big love to Wade today, everyone, you know, thinking of him. You know, I think, you know, the plant, those types of plants, you know, and the things that you're touching on, Marcus, is the type two, type three. I, yeah, I think there's a whole, I think you're right.

1:32:15Collin PalmerYou know, I believe in that. You know, it's, it's interesting. You know, I, I'm kind of like yourself, like I've landed at this place where, you There's so much. It's like if you talk about one thing, you have to talk about another. You know, it's just so much to talk about. But I think it's... There's no wrong. Like it's always it's always what's what's right for your journey and your path.

1:32:36Collin PalmerAnd some people want something that is going to take you to the moon. Others are going to want to, you know, a morning rip that's going to allow them to be inspired for the rest of the day. You know, you know, and that's but there's a huge subclass of people that I keep meeting like all the time are like, yo, if you could just make a X, Y and Z, that would allow me to to, you know, Have it as a sippy cup, you know, for lack of better words, they would want that.

1:33:01Collin PalmerSo, and that's, that's new to me because, you know, I think all of us, we're all used to just like, how strong can you make it? You know, I think that's kind of been the MO of our, pretty much our whole career. It's like, how pure can you get it?

1:33:18Collin PalmerIs it, but here's a question for us. Is it purity that's going to produce that? Or is that... You know, letting the plant kind of do what it does, you know, and could we really isolate something like that, you know, and make it a commodity? I don't know. That's a whole other combo, but I know, Mark, I can hear your mind's working right now.

1:33:44Etienne FontanWell, we should also bring in Caleb Chen for this discussion. He just finished his paper. And that's a fascinating paper I want to share with y'all. I don't know where he is. He's just got done with his master's. So he's enjoying summer somewhere. But his thing was talking about how... You know, he interviewed some of the top 25, you know, growers, et cetera, that are living and how, you know, the discussion of gatekeeping and how the gatekeeping that's been happening genetically, right?

1:34:15Etienne FontanAnd I think that needs to be discussed as well, because where we are has been to gatekeeping that got us here. And what you're asking for, Colin, is something we've already taken kind of away from ourselves, is that biodiversity already through pre-selection due to already cannabis breeding gatekeeping so that again is another conversation but one i think i would benefit if we brought in caleb and i'll reach out to him at some time as well because i think it's a valid conversation that needs to be had because Even Sam himself spoke very eloquent and how he did so and how his selections were.

1:34:53Etienne FontanAnd I also through those conversations kind of go, well, wow, I would really have liked to have tasted his savory skunks and some of those others because he went toward the sweet side, right? Well, I would have loved to have tried some of those other genetics that he selected out, right? That we don't have access to. So just a conversation.

1:35:14BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, Rob used to have those, you know, I'd go visit Rob and he just had like a cardboard box with like some spears on it. And it was just different flavors from the greenhouse over the years that kind of maybe would make it or maybe wouldn't make it. And, uh, Those were unique times for sure. Just being at, and not really even knowing, not, not putting the whole picture together, but kind of having an idea that this was special and that it was like, oh, let me see what you got there.

1:35:44BubblemanYou know, like, oh, wow. Different, different profiles. You know, someone earlier, I think it might've been Bingo saying in the chat room, oh, I'll never, I'll never get to smoke Sam's hash. And it kind of struck me like, oh yeah, like, There's no more Sam's hash. You know, we can try to recreate it, but Sam collecting all those seeds, Sam growing those seeds in the greenhouse, Sam processing those flowers, cleaning that resin.

1:36:12BubblemanThat's just something that is now legend. It's no longer a legend. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:36:32BubblemanYou know, Rob, on the other hand, always saved. He always saved his best. And Dave just thought that was hilarious. He's like, I'm always smoking my best and Rob's always smoking his worst. He would say when he break into a big fit of laughter. You know, because Rob liked the idea of saving. Oh, I'm going to save my favorite ones. You know, Sam was not, I'm the same way.

1:36:56BubblemanIf you ever want to smoke with me and you open my jars and I pull out like five or 10 jars, open them all, find the one that has the least amount and smoke that one. Because that is the one that I liked the most. If it's down to nothing, that is for sure.

1:37:16Collin PalmerSo question for the group here. So, you know, we've been talking a lot about like how things are cheaper. And then, you know, I was thinking about your comment that Sam made to you, like, you know, as much work as these guys are going to do, I can still grow it cheaper.

1:37:31Collin PalmerWe, I feel like we have to get to that place, right? If we're going to truly make it The world of, of call it a plant chemicals or, or, you know, plant based chemicals that are only coming from the cannabis plant. Right. And, you know, Dr. Mark, I don't know, this may be a question for you. Do you feel like a chemical conversion can still, at the end of the day, still kind of backdoor this whole thing?

1:38:00Collin PalmerOr is it, you know, imagine us like growing, for instance, the cost structure of hemp with drug cultivars, right? Like, hectors, but then processing that into hash or rosin or whatever you want, right? But taking the care that you would need to take to grow high-quality cannabis well, right? It seems, based on what Sam has said, that it is possible, yet we've, you know, in our lifetime, we're struggling to see that happen, right?

1:38:37Collin PalmerRight or wrong?

1:38:44Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I don't know. I would think that, again, it's two different markets, right? If you're just pursuing the active ingredient THC, you can do that a whole lot cheaper than, you know, getting good genetics, getting a license, growing plants and extracting. That same molecule THC is going to cost you about 10 times the amount. Can't compete if you're just talking about the active ingredient itself.

1:39:22Collin PalmerYeah, well, it's more than that, but yeah, good call. Hey, Caleb. See you, man.

1:39:30BubblemanYeah, I sent Caleb a text. I was like, oh, we're talking about Caleb's work. Plus, I like the conversation, the gatekeeping conversation. The genetic gatekeeping conversation has always been one that I've enjoyed. I took a beating for giving away gatekept genetics. And I would do it again and again and again, no problem. Do I want to give away someone's hard-earned work that they've actually... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, of course not.

1:39:57BubblemanI'm more upset about the people who like to rewrite history, like to connect themselves to a genetic that's not necessarily a true connection, and then... Take it for themselves and then gatekeep it. Those genetics, I give away freely to anyone and everyone. And I had this conversation with a local sort of cannabis guy. I won't name his name and throw him under the bus, but this was about the Congolese back in the day.

1:40:28BubblemanAnd he said, well, not everyone deserves it. You know, like not everyone deserves it. And I said, well, I think everyone does. You know, I do think everyone does. And I kind of used this experience to him. I said, what if, you know, you got a guy who wants the Congo, but you think he doesn't deserve it. So you don't give it to him. But I think he does deserve it.

1:40:46BubblemanAnd I give it to him. And then he ends up giving it to a family who uses it for a young girl who has like Dravet syndrome or seizures or something. And now it's gone through maybe someone that You felt wasn't deserving of it, but it got to someone who was. I say everyone is deserving and just share the genetics. If you put a ton of work in, you know, I'm not talking about like true breeding and like actual work that you put into a plant and you've spent.

1:41:15BubblemanThank you for watching.

1:41:36BubblemanJohnny at Huckleberry Farms, and he's found this very unique novel cultivar with this saline dying terpene in it, the white thorn rose. And he's made some crosses with it, but he's also holding that closer to kind of try and figure out and understand what it is that he has. I'm not against that, you know, like I know the guy's going to get that out into the world, but I definitely am against that.

1:42:02Bubblemanborderline gatekeeping of genetics that it's like how hard is it to just let someone take a cut off of your plant seems like a reasonable thing here it's always the fear of oh they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna ruin the market and i'm like ruin the market like what do you mean well they'll grow it they'll grow it so bad that no one will want to buy it it's like well how's that going to affect you the only way i could see it affecting you is if they grew it way better than you Thank you so much for joining us.

1:42:57BubblemanPut them out of business. I don't know. I think it's a medicine that people need access to. So trying to keep it from someone seems like a slippery, dangerous slope. If you call yourself a cannabis activist, then you should probably be sharing all of your genetics with those who ask. Just my two cents. I could be wrong.

1:43:17Etienne FontanSo Caleb brought you on here because I actually dropped your thesis and we started to talk about gatekeeping so um I'm gonna put you on the spot if you got the sect why don't you introduce your thesis talk about it if you want to share it as much as you want but I found it very fascinating it's some a discussion that I and others have had over the years and I'm glad that you made your thesis because I think your work is As important and groundbreaking, especially for cannabis people to realize.

1:43:51SpeakerThank you all very much for this opportunity. The thesis is called Host Prohibition Changes in Cannabis Genetics. And with the title to a study like that, you might expect it to be genomics testing to have some sort of definitive answers from a quote unquote hard science end. But the degree that I was doing was a public sociology degree. And at Cal Poly Humboldt, there's actually three layers Thank you so much for joining us.

1:44:46SpeakerAdam Wendel, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan,

1:45:06Speakerone of the main things i've seen is that like in the academic literature people are kind of dismissive about the entire cannabis culture and i think that is a big mistake and i think that it's honestly like led to a lot of reinventing the wheel you know at all these ivory towers they've been doing stuff and it's all stuff that's been done before and they aren't even going to credit the people that have done it before And, you know, I've honestly in this thesis, I pulled a lot of punches that I wanted to throw.

1:45:42SpeakerAnd, you know, there's all sorts of stories that people in the know when they're reading this, they might realize like, oh, I'm talking about this person that stole this from that person. And we're not talking about genetics here. We're talking about Thank you so much for joining us.

1:46:19SpeakerYou know, that is a progression in how we as a culture view the cannabis genetics. If we go far back enough in time, you know, seeds came with the weed and there weren't rules with what to do with those seeds. And that's kind of the starting point that If you go far back enough, anyone that identifies as a cannabis breeder is working with specific building blocks. And, you know, as everyone who's ever played with Legos knows, sometimes people with similar building blocks are going to end up building something similar.

1:46:56SpeakerAnd at that point, like, do you even have a right to gatekeep it if as much as you think it's yours, like someone else could make it without ever having interacted with you? So, you know, there's lots of things that that can come out here. And since it was a sociology thesis, I honestly like focused in on that sense. And the three main things that come out in the thesis are information on like becoming a cannabis breeder.

1:47:24SpeakerAnd then there's also a elucidation of like a craft cannabis breeding ideotype, because a lot of the breeders that look down on

1:47:38SpeakerThey, you know, they think that crops need to be bred to the point where they're only harvested by tractors. They look at, you know, hand trim as something that's just a waste of time. They look at curing as something that's just a waste of time. They look at all that as, you know, superfluous stuff that criminals do. And they think that the future industry of cannabis is going to be something completely different.

1:48:02SpeakerAnd really, I wanted to highlight that cannabis culture has an idea of what they're doing. It's been it's a well thought out idea. It's an idea that is grounded in science. You know, it is based in the scientific method. It's observational science. calling it just bro science is like it's insulting to all of us honestly and uh yeah that's kind of the the gist behind it it's a it's a it's a big thing there's lots of um lots of things in there but that's the through thread

1:48:37BubblemanI love the conversation, dude. That's awesome. You know, that whole concept is you could really extrapolate and go deep on this conversation, you know, and it's interesting because, you know, there are there are Just the way you said, you know, that could someone have taken similar seeds and created something without having ever met you? You know, like, where is this ownership that we require as human beings where we're like, hey, that's mine, I did that.

1:49:08BubblemanIt's like, yes, I recognize that for sure. And on the flip side of things, it's interesting that... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:49:38BubblemanYou know, I don't exclude myself from those people. I've been a hypocrite in my life and I've done things and maybe, you know, claimed ownership over things that I shouldn't have back in the day. Now, as I get older, I'm Had many, many more pieces of humble pie that allows me to be like, okay, well, you know what? Now I say it as I got to play my part.

1:49:58BubblemanI got to be a rung in the ladder. That's how I say it when people are like, oh, wow, you did this and you did that. I'm like, really? What I did was I got to be a single rung in a really cool ladder that is the cannabis culture. You know, for me and the innovation of hash making, I certainly didn't come up with anything all by myself or do anything all by myself.

1:50:20BubblemanAll I really did was let my passion ignite a bunch of people. And for that, I get my own. Do I get a Hollywood star? No. I get a rung on the ladder of the cannabis culture, which all of you have rungs on the ladder of cannabis culture. And so it's nice. I don't know what it is being a human where we feel we need to Acquire more or get a higher, I don't know what it is.

1:50:49BubblemanIt's a strange thing, especially with something like cannabis that seems to humble you out and seems to, you know, create an atmosphere of more like conscious thinking and, you know, like paying attention to what's right versus what's wrong. And yet you can still get sucked into that

1:51:14Etienne FontanThis is mine. Well, it brings you to the realities, right? To the good points, but also to the horrors, right? So I'm kind of curious, Caleb, what horrors, what disturbed you in your research that you did? Because again, it's sociological, so you're dealing with all kinds of people with... Thank you for joining us.

1:51:51Etienne FontanYou know, it's mistrust of outsiders to, you know, to the, of course, the plethora of cannabis culture that exists on the mountains there. So I'm just kind of curious, you know, when you're doing your research, you set out with your own eyes and your own vision, you know, what disturbed you?

1:52:12SpeakerThe thing that most disturbed me, um,

1:52:17SpeakerIt's honestly like the outlook for the future. It kind of ties into what y'all were talking about earlier. I got to catch some of it and really like There's a bunch of cannabis products that are available right now around the country that are essentially the new version of Marinol. If you think about it, right? You've got single cannabinoids, maybe two, maybe three, maybe four, all of them derived from CBD distillate.

1:52:52SpeakerAnd then you have a handful of terpenes. Maybe one, maybe two, maybe three, maybe four. And like, these are the products that, you know, people looking for a THC effect might use medicinally or therapeutically, but they're not whole plant products and they're missing, you know, millions of potential uh interactions that could constitute the entourage or ensemble effect is the way that i see it and like at this point in time we don't have all of that research to be able to tell but you know anecdotally there's plenty of indication that really like the whole plan therapeutic is what's needed i always think about like what What Wade Laughter would talk about how like even when using whole plant therapeutics that like for eight children, that one plant might only work for two of them, even though they have the exact same diagnosis technically.

1:54:01SpeakerAnd like it really like that's at the far fringes of like medicinal use of cannabis. We're talking about the whole plant therapeutics of like particular cultivars not being enough. And like needing to create new whole plants that can, you know, help the other 75% of those children with that specific thing. And like that is something that, you know, THC beverages that are essentially liquid Marinol with a little bit of lemon flavoring is not...

1:54:36SpeakerThe people who are selling, making those things, they don't give a fuck about the medicinal value and the fact that there's going to be parents that go buy that drink to give to their kid thinking that it might have some effect. Sorry, that's the... That's the part that really irks me. It's that like this classic battle is actually being played out like right now, you know, at Total Wine at the gas station versus the actual dispensaries where you might be able to buy a whole plant therapeutic.

1:55:11SpeakerYou know, those are being taxed to hell. And even within those stores, the available diversity of We had a big medical crisis.

1:55:33BubblemanAll of these companies that we've been talking about, we've been talking about this for a long time. We've been talking about this for a long time. We've been talking about this for a long time. We've been talking about this for a long time.

1:55:55BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:56:13BubblemanYou know, all the people that had been using medical as the shield to protect them with their business, which and I'll go as far as saying it was pretty much most of the medical growers in Canada as well. I hate to throw them all under the bus, but I don't think I knew a single one that actually grew cannabis and didn't sell it. Now, I'm not saying that they couldn't have done that.

1:56:34BubblemanIt just sucked that they had to use patients as their shield to do it because you could just do it. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:57:03BubblemanUnfortunately, it undermines the whole system. And what happens is, is when recreational comes in, the entire bottom falls right out of medical and every company that was fulfilling medical prescriptions and needs and keep this in mind as well. Can you imagine dealing with a recreational cannabis customer versus a medical cannabis customer? Medical cannabis customers are nightmares compared to a recreational person that's just going to come into a gas station and pay 20 bucks and buy.

1:57:35BubblemanYou're never going to see that person again. A medical person, they're going to send you 100 emails. They're going to want to talk to you. This is like their life. This is very, very important to them. This isn't buying some recreational product at a gas station. And because of it, It takes an angel like Etienne or Hilary Black to be able to deal with tens of thousands of these people.

1:58:00BubblemanThis is not easy to deal with. You have to have an incredible amount of empathy and compassion. And I'm certainly, I hope, People realize I'm not blaming patients by saying they're nightmares. They're living in a nightmare. They've got this disease. They've got this. They need to get the good medicine and they're pissed. Do you know what I mean? They're not stoked. They've watched this all play out.

1:58:25BubblemanThey've watched everyone use them as shields. And so they're a little bit upset as well. And so, you know, when companies come along and say, oh, we're going to start a big medical thing, we're going to get a call center, they quickly realize we do not have the tools to deal with these people. This is too difficult for us. And they just jump into recreational and they leave all of those medical patients hanging in a big and brutal way.

1:58:50BubblemanAnd it's happened here in Canada.

1:58:52Collin PalmerYeah. And, you know, the thing that you kind of, you know, striking in terms of genetic diversity on the shelf, that's also a major issue. And I, you know, I often wonder, you know, these These nurseries that provide these clones, can they do a better job at limiting things or maybe working with their clients more to design a menu rather than to have this catch-all net that they all buy from?

1:59:18Collin PalmerBecause it's largely driven, at least in California, most of these people don't have the infrastructure to even have a nursery, right? So they're buying clones. Right. So at the onset, you know, is there something we can do there to provide, you know, I think like Hayes Valley and what You know, they're doing over there is really nice because they have a big spread of genetic diversity that they can offer, right?

1:59:43Collin PalmerWhere perhaps other nurseries are the ones, you know, 6,000 versions of runts and, you know, gelato or whatever crossed into itself is really what they're going to offer. And there's no shame and shade on that because that's kind of what, you know, lemon cherry gelato is what, you know, sells in that particular realm. But We also have to ask ourselves, like, what's important? You know, and I think that that's that's another thing like we have to remind ourselves is are we going to be herd mentality or are we going to have a real like idea and vision for this thing?

2:00:20Collin PalmerAnd I think, you know, largely what we've seen is those that have a vision from it are overtaken by these other other people that have other interests. Right. And they're We're seeing a lot of these elders that we've watched kind of design this thing that we're standing on the shoulders of kind of go away. And I think we have to remind ourselves where we came from sometimes.

2:00:44Collin PalmerSo I think it's... Self-reflection is maybe the word I'm looking for.

2:00:49Etienne FontanWell, your elders created this so that you would create a different direction.

2:00:56Dr Mark ScialdoneSure.

2:00:56Etienne FontanWe never expected what we created to be the end all. We expected it to be a piece along the way, but we expected y'all to pick up the torch and to change it. It's not changing the way that we like it or want it to be. However, you're right. We were so busy doing the other fights, right? I've been doing this 26 years and I've been in 22 of those.

2:01:20Etienne FontanI've been involved in legal fights, two of them against my own government. And I've won all seven, but those financial distractions, you know, early before those happened, what did it allow me to do? Oh, it allowed us to self-fund testing, right? And do important things, right? We try to do things Thank you so much for joining us.

2:02:03Collin PalmerYeah, I think it starts with diversity, though, you know, is what I keep going back to, you know, if we can just start there, we can at least start to say, hey, these guys do this well and that well. And, you know, yeah, grow each other's varietals, but maybe don't make it your life to grow all the same stuff, you know, because that that. You know, for better or worse, it becomes a shelf full of the same stuff, you know?

2:02:30SpeakerAbsolutely.

2:02:31Collin PalmerSo that's, I don't know, that's, that's what a lot of the stuff I think about commercially is like, how do I, like when someone asks me for clones, for instance, for their farm, I'm trying to give them a menu of access to things that maybe others don't have. Right. Because I think that for them, it'll give them an opportunity to grow things that are really unique. Like there's this one varietal called Egg Roll that we have.

2:02:58Collin PalmerAnd it's a really great Chem D cross. And, you know, it's unique. You know what I mean? And no one else really grows it out here. You know, and it's it's it's stuff like that that. You know, if you can look into certain subclasses of varietals, you can get a better performing plant that still hits these flavor notes that are maybe older, but brings in, you know, a newer sweets category that you didn't have within that.

2:03:27Collin PalmerYou know, that that profile itself. Yeah. So searching for new stuff is is what I'm getting at. And like, I encourage everybody to pop seeds as much as they can work with your nursery. They're like, hey, I have these seeds. We don't have space to pop them. Can you pop them and start them and then make moms out of them? You know, so we can at least, you know, run, you know, some test runs to see if we like it.

2:03:51Collin PalmerYou know, there's things there's ways forward. You can Thank you for joining us today.

2:04:11SpeakerYeah, I'm glad you mentioned Hayes Valley because they're definitely an example of a nursery that's like really pushing the envelope on this. And like one, the one way that I quantify it is like I've asked every nursery essentially like what's the longest flowering thing that you have? And I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the Soma 27 week haze that I smoked with him in Barcelona.

2:04:51SpeakerThere's no nursery that would carry that. And so like even in a haze valley, like their new blue screen, right? Blueberry, A5 haze, and Thai. But when you're making that combination, even from scratch, and you've got these things that are supposed to take 20 plus weeks, and you only select the progeny that flowers in 10-ish weeks, you're really, you're dragging all sorts of other genetic linkages to that shorter flowering time with it.

2:05:18SpeakerAnd I think that's ultimately what's happened at every nursery at most you know breeders vaults and it's it's uh what it's gonna take is actually like to bring it back to the medical there was a dispense a club right in SoCal back in the medical days that you know specialize in these longer flowering things And supposedly they were paying $9,000 a pound for Cambodian landrace that took 24 weeks to flower, right?

2:05:48SpeakerThat was $9,000 a pound to the farmer. In a time when the average pound price for a 12-week cultivar would have been like $4,500. What it's really going to take on the market is buyers that are willing to pay twice as much for the flower that took twice as long to grow. And there are consumers like that. There just aren't any mandated middlemen that are willing to take that hit to their bottom line.

2:06:15SpeakerAnd all the legal structures have multiple mandated middlemen in there. East Coast has it.

2:06:21Collin PalmerSo like we, we have a whole, yeah, there's like a big, and it's funny because it's like, there's this a big, I'd love to maybe get Piff Coast and a couple other guys on, on the show. Maybe I'll talk about that with Marcus at some point and get some of these guys that, you know, I, I grew a lot of haze coming up and, um, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:07:06Collin PalmerIt's not a, you know, the effect is very uplifting, you know, and that, that effect, this bit, I think this varietal takes probably 12 plus weeks, maybe 14. I'm about to get asked PIF cost on what the PIF S2 does, but. This is in demand out here. People want these profiles. And it's really nice to see that again because it's that and gas right now. Gas is sour and anything OG, deep OG is really popular.

2:07:37Collin PalmerThe sweets and the candy stuff has kind of fallen out. So it's really interesting to see some of the flavor profile trends, how different they are on the East Coast. But yeah, You know, hopefully that'll, the newer markets that are opening up at mass will pull people out of the woodwork that have some of these older genetics in their, you know, in their collection. Because a lot of this stuff on the East Coast, we have to remind ourselves, it's still...

2:08:05Collin PalmerYou know, still frowned upon like heavily, you know, we didn't have a culture out here that supported being open about cannabis growing and processing and even just talking about it in general, you know. So, but there's really talented growers all across, you know, the Eastern Seabourn from Maine all the way down to Florida, you know, that hold really special and unique genetics that are just not out into the wild, you know.

2:08:32Collin PalmerSo,

2:08:34Collin PalmerHave no fear. You know, there's definitely unique diversity out there. We just got to get much like my myself when I was kind of coming out of the woodworks. You know, I was really nervous. You know, I didn't want to like share a lot of stuff. You know, I was nervous to to, you know, give things out. But eventually I just got over it. I remember Eric 77.

2:08:56Collin PalmerI actually found the envelope in the note that he wrote me. He's like, if you want to save a strain, give it away. And that's that's like the most important thing. In 80, 77 made the or found it was, I guess, responsible for the the calio cut. So that that Callio cut that I got from him came with that note. And I remember I gave it away immediately when I mommed it up.

2:09:19Collin PalmerI just gave that clone out to like as many people as I could because it was, you know, it was unique at the time. So it wasn't a whole lot like it. But I think genetic diversity is a big one is I don't know, I just that that keyword there is like diversity matters, pop seeds, find new stuff. You know, try to create it if you can, you know, say, hey, maybe grow a few things that are longer flowering time and see if you can get more for it and, you know, create, create that value around it.

2:09:48Collin PalmerBut, you know, I mean, sour is like respectfully 72 plus days, you know, if you can really take it all the way, you go further than that, you know. Most people don't realize that. They're like, well, why is it not sour? Well, if you take it before then, it is not the same plant. It's not, it's just, it's flat. It, you know, I see a lot of stuff taken at 10 weeks when it's like, yeah, it may have that nose on the plant when it's just starting to like feel it.

2:10:16Collin PalmerYou know, but you need to let it completely fill out and finish all the way because you're just going to have flat soda. It's like Sprite that's flat. You know, it just has that profile to it. There's a lot of that out there, you know. So, you know, that's the thing is like maybe they're not used to letting things go that long. But yeah, you know, there's there are some breeders that are definitely their whole catalogs are these older breeders.

2:10:45Collin PalmerThat's the other thing. It's not like this is not available. I have a whole stash of stuff that's in pelican cases of a bunch of older varietals that could be brought back to life. I think there's a lot of that as well, just locked in someone's vault. So pop seeds, you know, I think that's the bottom line. So when you're doing your research, did you sit down with breeders that were working, you know, really trying to refine the line down to like eight, 10 weeks?

2:11:20Collin PalmerIs that what like the goal for pretty much everyone that you spoke to was or? What was the goal of most of these biggers?

2:11:28Johnny BGuys, so I'm going to let you guys go. So I'm going to go spend a happy Father's Day with my dad. Say everybody. My dad. Give me everybody. This is everybody.

2:11:36BubblemanNice. John on Hash Church with John.

2:11:40Etienne FontanEnjoy Big John's Day. Happy Father's Day. Johnny Father Burfellow.

2:11:49Johnny BSo anyways, guys, we're going to go out and have a great day. Happy Father's Day to all you dads out there. I'm going to go spend a day with my dad. So peace, guys. Happy Father's Day. Have a good one, Johnny. Peace, guys. That's awesome.

2:12:00BubblemanHave a good one, Johnny's. Do you want to say anything, Dad? What? Do you want to say anything? Do you want to say anything? No. No, okay. I do. Perfect. Perfect thing. I love it. That was awesome. John's dad. That was so good. John's been gatekeeping his dad. He's been keeping him from us. Now he's sharing them. Absolutely.

2:12:28SpeakerSo to answer your question, Colin. Yeah. I talked with like all types of breeders, like even breeders that like don't identify as like marijuana breeders and, you know, only work with hemp only under, you know, USD following all the USDA rules all the way to like that. And then. Even so, and then there were like generally three groups that I identified, either like preservationist breeders, head stash breeders, or commercial breeders.

2:12:56SpeakerAnd definitely commercial breeders are all, you know, eight to 10 weeks or straight up, they're moving on to autoflowers, right? And then, like for head stash breeders, they're mostly interested in like preserving a specific species. Thank you for joining us today.

2:13:38SpeakerThat's their no-no. Right.

2:13:41Collin PalmerIt's interesting, you know, because I would imagine we're kind of selling ourselves short. You know, I'd love to see a study done with longer varietals, what chemicals they're able to produce over a longer set point versus the shorter. And does that matter? You know, and how that data would look. You know, taking like, you know, for instance, a hybrid category just to kind of cut it down the middle.

2:14:08Collin PalmerCould you take something and, you know, pair it with something that goes to call it 18 weeks versus 14 versus 12 versus 8? You know, because I, you know, I did some stuff where I took autos into a great pie line and And then brought that back into a regular line. Right. And I ended up with like a six week finisher. It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

2:14:33Collin PalmerRight. But it had great resin structure. And I thought at the time, this is like 10 years ago when I messed around with this.

2:14:43Collin PalmerYou know, it was really interesting because I had this idea that now it's like, could you remove, because it was very leafy, it was very leaf to calc ratio, it was very heavy. It's like wondering if you could breed, you know, let's say an outlier like the Australian Bastard Thank you for joining us.

2:15:14Collin PalmerDoing all that work, right, substance to say, you know, it's very blind, right? You're really blind because we don't have the data behind all these constituents. Like, you know, autos, for instance, we don't know a whole lot about them. We know it's a mutation, right? But we don't know how to really control these things. And even marker-based breeding can't do it. But what I'm getting at is that You know, looking at a six-week varietal like that, you know, does it sell yourself short in terms of THC production?

2:15:49Collin PalmerYou know, when you start to look at what autos have kind of turned into today, like Night Alcees is a good example. You know, their lines have really kind of, they're pretty great. You know, like they look great. I've seen some of it in person. I've never ran them, but I've seen and heard a lot of people, you know, really pleased with it. Are we bottlenecking the chemical, you know, potential of the plant is the question, is the overall question I'm asking.

2:16:16Collin PalmerAnd, you know, with the triangulation I just did there, is within that, you know, doing that type of breeding line work, is it going to, you know, is it going to remove things from, you know, our, call it our, our palette of tools that, you know, we may never be able to go back to? You know, hasn't it already? I don't know. I think about it a lot because like if you have people like Shanti Baba in the world, you have like whole continents of people that have collected seeds.

2:16:51Collin PalmerThere has to be somebody that has a hundred pack or something that with the, you know, percent.

2:16:59SpeakerA hundred pack is way too small. I think it's what David Watson would say.

2:17:04Collin PalmerDave has a hundred thousand. I'm just, you know, a thousand pack, I don't know, 10, even a 10 pack shoot. I mean, of all of some of these things that we could maybe try to try to bring back into existence. Um, cause it, you know, look, we're within a hundred years, right? Let's think about that. Right.

2:17:24BubblemanWe're not, Dave, Dave has a kilo. He had a kilo before we passed away of, of Hayes crossed with Hayes seeds. It was like close to 100,000. It was a little over a kilo. It was 1,350 grams and I think 80,000 seeds per kilo for that batch. It was the batch we were going to use in Jamaica for a breeding project that never, that just never panned out.

2:17:48BubblemanThe fence to go around the 20 acres was going to be like $600,000 US or something. It was just an outrageous cost, but those seeds definitely still exist.

2:18:00Collin PalmerYeah, well, they're case in point there, right? So, you know, it's, I think it's just, we have to find, you know, the problem I think is, you know, going back to the commodity aspect of where we've arrived. We've got to find a place for it within that, right? You know, unfortunately, because I, you know, like all of us, we want to, We want longer flowering varietals that taste great and feel great.

2:18:25Collin PalmerAnd that's what all of us grew up on, I think. At least I know I did. And, you know, this very it's funny because, you know, the when buyers think of a feeling in cannabis, it's usually this like downward effect. Otherwise, it's not it's not it for them. Right. Which is really fascinating because that's one thing. Small subset of what colors of this plant can provide. But I often wonder, you know, how we arrived there, you know.

2:18:59Collin PalmerI do think about that a lot in the spiritual sense. Absolutely. We always love to think that we have such a broad... World around us of tools, you know, because so many people are just growing the plant today. But we've also have to remind ourselves that to your point and the research that you've done, there's it really highlights the holes that we've created. Hell yeah. What is that, Marcus?

2:19:27BubblemanThat is actually one of my Bubble Man brand jars from Michigan that I just slapped a bunch of my rosin into because I was like, man, I want to be able to share my jar. I have a whole box of jars here, but two months I should have my waiver and I should be able to come down to the US. And if that's the case, I'm coming down.

2:19:51Collin PalmerDude, your comment, we're hanging the moment that happens. Dude, I can't even believe it, dude. I'm like, it's kind of surreal.

2:20:01BubblemanI'm in New York. It's kind of surreal. Yeah, we'll come to New York. Hey, get you a slice of pizza. Oh, man, I'll definitely get me a slice of pizza. I hope we're going to hit a big rip right now. Yes, that's kind of what I'm hoping. I'm going to hit this. The rosin I had was, I believe it was the Neptune, and it was from Canara out east, Quebec.

2:20:25BubblemanCompany Canara, which to this day is still like, I've never seen a bigger facility produce more fire than that facility. Sam always said it. Sam always said that he could grow like the highest quality resin in like fields. I had never quite seen That size of a facility produced that kind of quality, like the quality that I would sit around and smoke all night, like the quality that I'm choosing to smoke right now, you know, over a bunch of different six stars and over, you know, I have like 10 or 10 different things in my stash right now.

2:21:07BubblemanBut this is very, very nice. It's very nice. So I hope you will all join me. What are you smoking on there, Caleb? A pivot?

2:21:19SpeakerI've got one of these mocha pivots and I've got some country rose in there.

2:21:25BubblemanSo get that selenadine. Ah, yes, the Selenodyne. We have been talking about that quite a bit lately. What a unique, I think truly the future for the heady cannabis consumer lies in aromatic volatile compounds, not in cannabinoid percentages. Maybe I'm totally wrong and maybe we'll hit some novel and unique cannabinoids down the road that will be super important. But really right now, I just feel like Novel, aromatic, volatile compounds like Selenodyne in the White Thorn Rose.

2:22:01BubblemanI think it's the blend, bro, but I'm with you. I think it's all, I think it's the... Yeah, but not having it, you know, that changes the blend. Of course it's the blend, but when you have something that everyone's like, this is different, you look to see what the different thing is. And apparently with Johnny's Huckleberry Farms, the difference was Selenodyne.

2:22:21Collin PalmerLet me tell you, man, I'll tell you, I remember it like I wanted to text you at the Legends when they submit, when Kyle from Heritage submitted it. I mean, shout out to Kyle because they really helped bring that to everybody. You know, he recognized it. I think Bell was the one that recognized it more importantly and worked with them. But dude, I mean, look, it's, it's so unique.

2:22:51Collin PalmerAnd it's, it's really, you know, it's, it's well done. It's, it's, it's so perfect. It's like so unique. And I immediately just voted it like the top, just like immediately, you know, and I was in the contest, you know what I mean? I, you know, usually you put yourself in there and, and I don't, I don't never, I never vote for myself. And I really feel like they deserve the light just based on how unique it was.

2:23:23Collin PalmerAnd that resin that plant produces is really just it's it's it's like a it's its signature. It's like this. It has the ability to be its own category, you know. And I think that's that's how unique it is. It's not it's literally like nothing else.

2:23:49BubblemanWell, I think especially because you have it in a place, you know, when we had that whole conversation, which was a great conversation because, you know, when Johnny came in and was talking about it and the Fido Facts and SC Labs, you know, Chimera was like, hey, I helped with that work at Napro. And he was kind of a little bit like... Kind of like, hey, what are you trying to say?

2:24:09BubblemanBut then he realized like what Johnny was trying to say was like, look, it's great what you guys did, but you really stuck it into this like 12 terpenes. And what I had was outside of that. So I had to go elsewhere to find that, you know, Phytofax is amazing. It's such a cool thing. But can you imagine how complex that'll be able to get one day as we learn more and more and more about the aromatic volatile compound universe?

2:24:35BubblemanThat is present in cannabis. And I do believe that it is a universe, probably much like what Mowgli created with Phylos. If you could have an aromatic, volatile universe that you could go into for cannabis with cultivar names connected, I think that would be pretty cool. Yeah, I want it. I want to navigate that right now. Maybe I'll go ask ChatGPT to make it.

2:25:04Collin PalmerI think that's what Abstract was trying to make. I think that's what they... I love it. I'd love to ask where they're at with that because that's what they were presenting at, I believe, MJ Biz that you saw, Dr. Mark.

2:25:22Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat, like a phylogenetic tree or something like that?

2:25:26Collin PalmerYeah, that's connected to the volatile organic compounds, right? And it kind of follows the fight or fact thing and takes that to an even bigger level in terms of pairing the compounds with the varietal.

2:25:45Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, they're just a lot less in concentration and much more difficult to sort of quantify and measure. So it's not like the terpenes which are there like in single digit percentages. These are there in fractions of a percent because they don't need to be there a lot.

2:26:10BubblemanWell, Grok said, you might want a phylogenetic tree of organizms, example, plants, bacteria, or fungi that produce specific volatile aromatic compounds with the compounds annotated on the tree to show which organizms produce them. That's kind of a crazy concept that there could be bacteria or fungi on cannabis producing the aromatic volatiles part of the profile that we enjoy. What if it came from something separate from the plant itself?

2:26:39BubblemanBut yet it came from organizms living on that plant like bacteria or fungi. I've never had that thought before. Holy shit.

2:26:49Collin PalmerWell, no, there's well, think about it. Well, you sort of have, though, because, you know, living soil, you know, there's a paper published that we shared it on the show before that talks about that. It talks about the influence of the fungal network. And of course, I totally understand the influence. I just

2:27:09BubblemanI've never thought that the fungus itself could be producing part of the profile, not facilitating the plant to produce the profile, but producing the profile itself, much like a bacteria that could be on the plant producing an array of the, like, I've never thought of that. And it might be wrong. Maybe it's not happening at all, but just from reading that real briefly, it seems like it could be something.

2:27:37Collin PalmerNo, it is interesting. It's a good thought.

2:27:44Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, if I mean, a couple of years ago, El Sole published a paper, I want to say like in 2018, where it was entitled, New Cannabinoids Discovered on Cannabis. And it should have been titled New Thank you for joining us today.

2:28:25Dr Mark ScialdoneThanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.

2:28:55Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm sure it does the same to terpenes too, you know?

2:28:59BubblemanListen, I have never in my life considered that anything other than the glandular trichome head was where these compounds were being produced. I always understood that there was a relationship with the fungi that helped express a greater percentage of these compounds. In a sort of higher caliber manner, if that can even be quantified, you know, just like the smell of a living soil, flower and hash is just so rank and dank.

2:29:34BubblemanBut I never, ever, ever considered the idea that like something else. Living on the plant could be affecting the profile. We know with thiols and thiolates that you don't need a lot to shift a terpene and terpenoid profile from strawberry shortcake to loaded diaper. Thanks, Caleb.

2:30:04Etienne FontanNo scat all today.

2:30:07BubblemanNo scat all today. That was actually a Captain Underpants mention for those of you that have kids and have to read Captain Underpants. Loaded Diaper is, of course, the Big Brothers Band. The Big Brothers Band at show. See, we're doing the music history here, Caleb.

2:30:32SpeakerI always can bring that in any time into any cannabis conversation. So easy.

2:30:39BubblemanRight? I mean, listen, it's a big thing to be a part of. Music is a very, listen, I was extremely excited the first time. When I first came up with Bubble Hash and was doing the bubble bags and all, it didn't take very long before I thought, you know what? I think someone's going to like maybe write this into a song. And that did not happen. Nobody wrote it into a song.

2:31:04BubblemanIt was like 15 plus years went by. No one made a song. And I was like, damn, like I really missed that one. Like I thought it was going to play out. I thought maybe some, cause I remember I met this dude, Mike Dean. It was like a big music producer guy. And I met him like through maybe even Instagram or something. No, I think I met him even before Instagram, before 2010.

2:31:28BubblemanBut he, yeah, he wanted to check out Bubble Bags. And so I ended up, you know, sending him that. And he would send me like unreleased, like Scarface and different like things, like Tupac and like people, hip hop artists that he had produced. And I was kind of like... I was like, damn, is this guy like for real? I didn't really know he was for real back then because I guess he wasn't really as like now he's outrageously big.

2:31:52BubblemanLike he's produces for some of the biggest artists on the planet and whatnot. But when I kind of met him, I thought this is my in this producer guy. We're going to get like we're going to get like melt and bubble and we're going to get all these. No. Nothing, nothing happened there either. And then it wasn't until really the Jamaican artists kind of caught into it.

2:32:13BubblemanAnd my buddy Tim, Tim Dubs, who's a producer in Jamaica, he did, he did the Sweet Tricomb with Luton Faya. And he did, oh, he did like three or four other songs with like John Mason and a couple of other sort of smaller reggae names. That all mentioned Bubble Bags and myself. And then Richie Spice ended up doing a song. And, you know, it got to a point where there was actually some songs about it.

2:32:39BubblemanBut I thought it would be more prolific than it was, to be honest. It really goes to show me what a very small, finite community the bubble hash world is.

2:32:50SpeakerI suspect that there are some French and Spanish songs that have some mentions that maybe haven't popped on your radar yet. Maybe.

2:33:00BubblemanYeah, I mean, I would be like, you'd think they would send that to me for certain. I remember when someone sent me a King of the Hill thing and it was like Bobby and his dad and they were trying to get rid of the fish heads that were in their forest. And they had to like, these guys were all camped out and on tour with fish and they, quick Bobby, grab the feather.

2:33:22BubblemanYou had to, it was like the conch at the Lord of the Flies. You had to have the feather to speak. But they cut to this scene with this hippie guy sitting there and he's holding the feather and he's like, I want to give warm hugs and fuzzies to the bubble man for creating unlimited barter

2:33:40Etienne FontanAnd then Bobby and his dad kind of show up, Hank.

2:33:43Johnny BAnd I was like, what the fuck?

2:33:45BubblemanLike people kept sending me that. They're like, is this you? Is this you? Is this you? And then eventually someone who worked on the show was like, yeah, that was like a little homage, dude. Like on tour, what's more valuable than Bubble Hash? In a world where you can trade anything for anything, what door does Bubble Hash not open on tour? And I was just like, fuck, man, that's so cool.

2:34:12BubblemanGet to be a little part of culture there. But other than that, it's been pretty sparse, you know, which is fine. What episode number is that? I think it was a season eight episode. Like I always mix it up because I never watched that show, but either 22, episode 22 or episode 12. You could probably punch in season eight fish episode and that would also find out which one it is.

2:34:39Collin PalmerWell, guys, I have to jump. I'm going to go hang out with my little guy. Much love to you all out there. It's love to you guys.

2:34:51BubblemanThanks for coming, Colin. Of course. Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you. Oh, we're going to probably chill for another half an hour on Father's Day.

2:34:57Dr Mark ScialdoneFather's Day.

2:34:58BubblemanAnd then move on. You know, it's a big day to spend with the kids. Although, Dr. Mark, your kids are older now. Do they still make the time and come hang out with you or are they busy?

2:35:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know. My son's in L.A. and where's our daughter? Oh, she's at work today. Yeah, that's what I mean, right? They become people. They become people. That's right. That's what they do. If you're successful, getting through childhood, right?

2:35:22BubblemanYeah, yeah, exactly. That is the impossible job for sure. It is not an easy thing to raise children. It is difficult. And children don't really know it. And I say this slightly comedical, but it's like, you know, when your parents are like, hey, little Billy, you're not the reason we got divorced. They were totally lying. It was absolutely you, little Billy. Kids make it hard to be in love with your spouse.

2:35:54BubblemanThey make it hard, and that's okay. I'm sure I did it to my parents. I'm sure it's the way it's supposed to be. But wow, the kids make it hard to... Yeah, just to raise them, it's impossible. I think the payoff is watching your kids have kids and then you just get to like go get the grandkids and rile them all up on sugar and then send them back to the parents and be like, here you go.

2:36:20BubblemanI haven't gotten there yet, but I'm looking forward to it, man.

2:36:23Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, grandchildren are the prize you get for not killing your children.

2:36:29BubblemanThere you go. That's fucking really frighteningly accurate.

2:36:34Etienne FontanOh yeah, they're really selling dads today.

2:36:36BubblemanYeah, but you know what? It's the weirdest thing, Etienne. Yet, you would take a bullet for them. They create this energy and pride in you that you're just like you can't even understand. It's such a cool thing to create people. It's just impossibly difficult.

2:36:59BubblemanI think that's the irony of it. It's supposed to be impossibly difficult, especially when they're that age, man. Little tiny kids. I think, and I've said this before and gotten in trouble, but it feels like when you're a real little kid, the majority of little kids are narcissists. And I think they're supposed to be. They just can't think of anything but themselves. And also... The love you have for them is so powerful that you can't help but shine it on them every time you see them.

2:37:27BubblemanAnd if you think of just every time, imagine every time you walked into a room, people were like, oh my God. And just like, you know, the most intense energy, the way you are with young babies. You got to think that that mildly warps us a little bit into thinking like I should be getting this for the rest of my life. Like I, I'm amazing. Look at me.

2:37:49BubblemanIt's like, but there's a cutoff point where suddenly people look at you and go, oh, it's you. Hey, you don't get that same like huggy excitement emotion. So it's interesting.

2:38:02Etienne FontanEspecially the first day of school, the second day of school, the third day of school.

2:38:08BubblemanOh shit. Tell ya. I'll tell ya. Well, I'm enjoying my watermelon and my tea on Father's Day. It's a beautiful day here in British Columbia. Seems as though I might have to go for a little hike here later on into the forest. Oh, here comes Dragonfly Earth Medicine. I think they are in Berlin right now. Believe, I believe. I went a little early. How's it going, homie?

2:38:42SpeakerVery well, thank you. How are you feeling today? Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day. Indeed. To you. You probably already said that.

2:38:55BubblemanWell, we say it every time we see a new father. We send, you know, We send positivity to the fathers. It's not easy being a father. It's not easy being a man. I had this conversation with my wife the other day. We were talking about, I don't know how we ended up talking about it, but suicide came up. And I said, oh, do you know that men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women?

2:39:16BubblemanAnd she said, no, I had no idea. So she Googled it and it was 4X. It was a 4X, 3.9 or 3.8 something suicide.

2:39:26BubblemanTimes that men commit suicide for every woman, not trying to measure. Thanks for watching.

2:40:01BubblemanIt's actually a sign of gratefulness and gratitude to offer the opportunity to someone to help you. You know, I know that Wade had a hard time with that towards the end. I tried to explain it to him that it's a gift you're giving Wade to allow people now to help you after you've helped so many. So if you can look at it like that, if you need help, think of it as a gift.

2:40:28BubblemanYou need help. I'm going to give this gift to my good friend and allow him to step up and potentially help me. Sometimes it's just as simple as listening to what someone has to say, letting them, you know, have a little, We'll break down, get it out.

2:40:43SpeakerYeah, feedback isn't always necessary. Sometimes it's just a person hearing themselves talk about what's happening, which really honestly just kind of gives them their own insight, you know, and just holding space, you know, for them and that and You know, it isn't the easiest thing for men to do. And often it's like maybe a sign of weakness. Oh, you got to, you know, be able to deal with it.

2:41:06SpeakerBut it's really probably a sign of strength to show that you care enough to make a change or that you care enough to reach out to your family and use the characters that are around you and the personalities that you surround yourself by and the family members that you cherish to give you You know, maybe some feedback where, again, just to hold space. So, yeah, it is.

2:41:30BubblemanI think I think you're right. I think it is a sign of strength. I definitely think if more people looked at it as a sign of strength instead of a sign of weakness, they'd be more likely to just be like, oh, fuck, I got people to talk to. Even if you have no one to talk to. Crazy enough. Sometimes the best person to talk to, if you really don't, a stranger, dude, you know, literally a stranger, just a stranger.

2:41:53SpeakerI feel that. I also was to be a grandfather and I kind of feel like I'm cheating. I'm like too young and healthy and I cruise around too fast. I lift things. I spin my back fast. Nothing ever happens. I'm like, I don't know if that's grandpa stuff, you know, but like, wow, you know, like, I guess maybe spring water and organic food and regenerative ganja, your own regenerative ganja out of the earth that you created probably is good for you.

2:42:25SpeakerGuaranteed.

2:42:26BubblemanYou can set the bar. You're setting the new bar for what grandpa is because why, here's the thing. Grandpa shouldn't have to mean like old and decrepit and dementia and sick and you know like oh I went and saw my grandpa and it was terrifying. I was like no man I went and skateboarded. What'd you do today? I was skateboarding with my grandpa. Yeah we were on the electric skateboards ripping around the seawall.

2:42:48BubblemanIt was awesome. Going like 40 kilometers an hour. My grandpa's hella cool. That's awesome dude.

2:42:56SpeakerYou know what's interesting? We were in Prague last time and we were at the We're going to take a look at some of the things that we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about some of the things that we're going to talk about today.

2:43:28SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:43:46SpeakerBecause we've already had good water and all that stuff on the countryside. But the point I'm making is like when we were young even because me and you both born in 73, we might have seen like a 55-year-old or a 60-year-old man being not super like healthy to cruise around on a mountain bike.

2:44:06BubblemanDude, 100%. Are you kidding me? 100%. And now I have friends that are like, dude, I have an 80 or 81 year old friend who lives just down the street from me, this dude, Wolf, and he just crushes it, dude. He's got this awesome garden and he's super prolific and he's got the best stories. He's an old mining dude that used to go set up mines in BC and build the whole town and the water and electricity and just like a real manly man from like the 40s or whatever.

2:44:39BubblemanThis dude is so cool.

2:44:42SpeakerYeah, that's amazing. I love that. I think also part of being young is like truly not understanding how old you are. Like I'm with you. Sorry, we're making room for Julie from Skunk Magazine here. Come on, Jules.

2:45:02SpeakerAnd also, I'm going to say gardening and farming for us is sort of like Groundhog's Day. Like, it always comes every year, you know, and you have to re-get in shape. And I've been joking around with my friends, like, I want to name my next farm, The Gym.

2:45:20BubblemanYeah, that's good.

2:45:21SpeakerBecause, like, why go to a gym? If you actually have a farm, there's no need for it. You can put your energy into the earth, make good things happen, and come out healthy. I mean, this is an easy decision.

2:45:37BubblemanDude, I will say this, that since I started going to the gym, which is really...

2:45:44SpeakerYou guys look obviously young. Cannabis keeps us young, I think. I think it keeps us confused as to how old we are too, because I swear I'm with like 20 year olds and I feel like I'm the same age. I don't even know. Bro, what's happening? We're 20. And then people will ask me my age and I'm like, hey, I'm 55. And everybody's like, oh, oh, shit.

2:46:02SpeakerNo, I'm not. Oh. Be respectful. There's a woman in the room. I get confused. I think that's part of the age, the agelessness is just not knowing how old you are too. Well, your soul is eternal, so. That's for sure. No age. Yeah, well, we're here in Berlin, and all the festivities are starting tomorrow with the Women's Day. It's sort of an all-day Women's Day and women in cannabis, and then sort of everything just goes from there.

2:46:28SpeakerThere's Cups, Skunk Magazine, Dragonfly Earth Medicine is involved in a ton of stuff here. And it's just really exciting. We've been all over the world and back and we just literally like met here and then got on Hash Church.

2:46:41BubblemanWell, we appreciate it. We appreciate it. I will say, Josh, I will say, Josh, when you mentioned the gym and the garden, since I started going to the gym, which is really just my friend's garage across the street that's set up with some weights, I've been crushing my garden, dude, like crushing. No electric gear at all. Everything's like manual, like... Cutters, I've been cutting like branches, cleaning out all my cedars that are like, have overgrown so badly.

2:47:11BubblemanLike, I swear to God, I probably thrown away three or 400 bags of green waste in the last like, you know, maybe... Yeah, it's nice to be strong. My son got me into it. My son is a very like strong weightlifter guy and I never weightlifted at all. But I have to say it's important to have a strong core like Josh was talking about. If you don't happen to have a full farm, because I don't, I just have a yard.

2:47:41BubblemanThe gym comes in very handy. It's definitely a good thing to take care of yourself. You know, they say as you get older, the thing that takes a lot of healthy people out is weakness in their core and legs that leads them to falling and then they break their hips. And then they go to the hospital and never come out kind of thing. So build your core, get strong.

2:48:02SpeakerI think the gym is super important and I see a lot more people than ever going to it. So I think that's super positive and really good.

2:48:10BubblemanI mean, it doesn't hold a candle to a farm. Like definitely the amount of work that you do at your farm, just the amount of work that you were doing when your farm was almost burning down, dude, was like, that was like an Ironman challenge. That wasn't the gym. You're like, oh, we're just doing some iron, yeah, iron. Iron family challenge. The iron family challenge.

2:48:34SpeakerAnd it was just me, Josh, and Skye, the ones that I took back because, you know, Sierra had to be with the baby away from it all. But it was just me, Josh, and Skye, sort of like the core family. And we were waking up at like 4.30 and we were working until way after dark in the You know, it was crazy because when the dark came is when it became terrifying, right?

2:48:57SpeakerLike you can handle the daytime and Because BC fire workers and all firefighters, what a lot of people don't know is that they only work nine to five. So as soon as it's dark, they don't really, they're like, yeah, fire, you just take a break. We'll be there at 6 a.m. We'll be back. Just stay right there, fire. So during the night when there was nobody around, there was no machines or anything and the whole sky was just lit up with fire.

2:49:23SpeakerIt was when we were really running around. Super intense. Really feeling for everybody out in Canada. We still grew super good weed.

2:49:31BubblemanSuper good weed came out of that. That's awesome. I was worried about the smoky weed. The fires, 9 out of 10 times, they smoke out the weed.

2:49:42SpeakerWe had some of the best resin that we'd ever, ever, ever had. And maybe a little bit of that stress actually made it a little nicer without the sunshine. Maybe the trichomes were larger, the heads were way bigger. Our greenhouse covered it from the bulk of the ash. And that's for real. Like this morning we had like black film on the greenhouse. But... We were like a month before harvest and the rains are what put the fire out.

2:50:08SpeakerSo the rains really just sort of clean the environment. And the weed just kept growing and kept consuming and transforming. For all we know, we got some extra volatiles out of it. Some extra thiols and flavonoids. Hopefully there's something good out of fires because there's plenty of them. And but I'm excited to see you, Julie, and we're going to spend some time. Tell us something about Skunk Magazine and what's going on and going on and the guidebook.

2:50:39SpeakerThis woman is killing it, guys. She works all the time, never stops on this incredible dream for the world. Yeah, I'm mother's bitch. You know, she's she's she's definitely has strong marching orders for all of us activated souls around the planet. You know, that's my whole thing is that she's propagated consciousness and she's activated millions of us. And now we're all doing her bidding. We're her daughters and sons, which you guys have always embodied.

2:51:12SpeakerBut it is an exciting moment. Thanks for having me. First of all, it's exciting. This is my first hash church that I've ever been on. Get her email, Marcus. You've been threatening me with a good time for a long time. And now I'm here. So I'm feeling pretty stoked about that, number one. Number two, we are in an evolutionary moment with Skunk. We are launching a new free magazine, The Cannabis Guidebook, and I've been wanting to do this for a long time.

2:51:41SpeakerIt's a free mag that is for the direct consumer, for the end user, for the head, or for the people that are curious, the people that need to learn and want to learn. Because Skunk is really to teach people to grow and it teaches you to grow and it shows you fire genetics and It's a lifestyle magazine, but it's still really focused on growers and hash makers.

2:52:07SpeakerCommunity. And technicians, you know, and so that's Skunk. So I'm really excited about this, Mac, because it's embodying everything that we embody with our devotion to Mother Earth, which if you guys know, I coined the term in 2013, the Green Renaissance. But it was this guiding ethos that we are in a second renaissance. And it's so many different evidence of that across the planet, even amidst the darkness that in fact, the darkness is a part of pushing the change is what I believe that the shadow and light work together in union to birth new realities in the world.

2:52:48SpeakerAnd so we're traversing it. And so that's been the guiding ethos for a long time. And now with the Cannabis Guidebook, we can really Bring that out fully. And what's fun about it is that I can be more agile. Skunk has been traditional newsstand. This I'm going to be able to take anywhere. So we're taking it first to Berlin. And it's exciting. We have Be Real on the cover.

2:53:13SpeakerWe're celebrating Barney's Farm collab with Be Real and what they're doing with the work they've done with bringing the insane OG back. With their line work and inbreeding. And so that's exciting. And it's filled with the global community. And that's really what the Cannabis Guidebook is going to be a lot about is, is we're global. And I think that we're going to keep being more and more global.

2:53:41SpeakerThose of us here on this call have been global for a while, you know. Mark, obviously, you have been global. And so, yeah, for me, this is a moment where I can go to Berlin and do an incredible magazine and really amplify all of my partners globally there. And then we're going to do it in California in September, launching a free magazine there at Hall of Flowers.

2:54:11SpeakerAnd they've backed that version of the magazine. It's going to be the official show guide. So it just feels really exciting to be more agile, be able to go different locations around the world and do these books for the moment. And it's relevant for the moment because it's basically amplifying all of my partners. And we're storytelling together. We're synergizing together. And that's what it's about. It's about that for me, abundance mentality that we create synergy.

2:54:48SpeakerWe profit share together because these ideals are for me, they need to be grounded in reality with excellence in business. We've got to prove that we can do this and that we can have this conscious commerce and sacred commerce is often called it in our circles before. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's what this is about is that it's going to be relevant for all of us and it's going to give To all of us.

2:55:16SpeakerAnd it's going to help also protect and honor what we're all trying to do. And that's what I'm in service to. And so, yeah, it's an exciting moment. And I launched seed sales as well last year. And I'm doing that in the US. And now we're getting ready to launch seed sales in the EU. And it's another evolution. I'm really just listening to Mother Earth and Plant Spirit guide me on how to evolve Skunk so that it can we can continue to do education for many years to come and I don't need to be so harangued with sponsorship dollars or kind of the old model of how I was doing things so it's really it's been a big change and it feels really exciting and good and uh yeah and those of you all who knew Skunk before when it was John and Julie now it has done incredible ascension From that time period.

2:56:16SpeakerSo a lot of the work that Julie's put in, I want to say like the last seven years, eight years that you've been putting in and now full ownership of that in the last four something years. Yeah, seven years. John stepped away about seven years ago. There you go. And I signed a contract to buy it out. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you.

2:56:38SpeakerKelly Cervantes, Thank you. Kelly Cervantes, Thank you.

2:56:56SpeakerPeople in there are talking about practices and genetics, legacy stuff, and a lot of historical stuff. So it's been really fun to see you grow, Julie. Yeah. A lot of holistic health. We're going to be working a lot on that. And if anyone, anyone has like content that they think is valuable for the magazine, I would imagine you'd be open to that. Oh yeah. Caleb's written for the magazine.

2:57:19SpeakerCome back. Yeah.

2:57:23SpeakerDefinitely come back, Caleb, and you should be involved with the Cannabis Guidebook because you have some different focuses that I feel like would be really lovely. I think that for me, especially in California too, You know, the end consumer is still getting to me very left out. You know, we're very insular. The heads speak to the heads, but then all the newbies, you know, they got to kind of flex their way through or, you know, the bud tender that is talking to them, you know, for whatever, Thank you for joining us today.

2:58:16SpeakerThat and that's what's missing is that, you know, that connection where, you know, culture used to have it. It was kind of a throwaway magazine, but culture before high times bought it and killed it had that component where there were coupons or there were ways to get to know the companies beyond just a little feature. That people kind of read, you read a feature to pay feature on a company doesn't mean you're going to walk in and then buy that product.

2:58:45SpeakerIt could but so I feel like there's there needs to be something that supports craft brands and Thank you so much for joining us.

2:59:17SpeakerAmanda Solliday, Ed.D. : Bringing the education, you know, in the green rush, there was a lot of opening up of the market, but then not education to go along with it. And I feel like that left. We're kind of an empty place for a lot of people, not us, but people, you know, moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas, people that we want to adopt cannabis as a lifestyle in whatever form or fashion and help many more millions of people get off of pharmaceuticals or grow their own cannabis at home, like tomatoes, grow their own.

2:59:52SpeakerSkunk is selling seeds, but we're selling seeds with the magazine. And the whole point is that people can grow their own medicine at home. Many more millions of people can grow their own medicine at home. And we're also going to be talking about healing yourself at home, too, because I think a lot of people in the world have lost faith in, you know, unfortunately, our medical system right now.

3:00:16SpeakerAnd a lot of people talk about going to the hospital or going and getting misdiagnosis or getting wrong medication. It's just going on and on. So us to be able to take our own health into our own hands, which is what we've been doing as a family for a really long time. Marcus, I know you have been too with Char 100%. But I think that education towards our own health is really what in you know the cannabis is leading us to she continues to push us towards being better not only as a community but as individuals and it's also the biggest f you to the system to be healthy and independent from what they want you to be yeah yeah that's what i'm doing it's like the biggest activism well we are all essential you know because the biggest activism is people healing them yeah i'm ready to be a medicine Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:01:08BubblemanWe'll see you next time.

3:01:36SpeakerBecause both are sacred and equal. And we want to see more of that. That's true. That's what I've always said. I'm not a feminist in that traditional sense. I'm an egalitarian because we are sacred and equal. And that's what I think. Well, and it is true that the female flowers that we are smoking that have the medicine in it. You are smoking a feminine being. And that is true.

3:02:02SpeakerOf course, in order for it to become a feminine being, there has to be a masculine involvement. Come on now. So that is really important. But the truth is, is that when we're smoking this medicine, it is a medicine of the feminine. And I'm not saying just she. So when I. That part of it is. And masculine gender is feminine. Yes. It is masculine. I feel like in the Renaissance, too, this this these ancient understandings.

3:02:31SpeakerThat, you know, they knew in ancient Sumeria, for instance, and many other different indigenous cultures and sacred esoteric practices around the world, they knew, like in Tantra or Buddhism, you have the Yab-Yam, The Lingam. No, it's not just the Lingam. It's the, why am I blanking? But it's called Yabium and there's another name for it. But it's basically the masculine and feminine and eternal coitus. And that's us.

3:03:04SpeakerLike that's me. That's you. This is what I believe. I do too. But it's the idea that when we're in our true alignment and we're on our soul path, that we are balanced also inside. With our masculine and feminine. And then that union inside of us is our awakeness. It's our bliss. Think about it. It's our power of creativity. And it's because inside of us is that sacred womb and that light of the seed inside of us.

3:03:39SpeakerAnd it shows itself in all these different ways in our work and how we do relationships. I like what you were talking about the other day where the egg chooses the sperm. Yeah, isn't that cool? So there's this new study that's been out and it's Thank you so much for joining us.

3:04:17SpeakerSo the egg is actually choosing the sperm to come through. It isn't just the fastest or the most resilient or anything like that. Yeah, sentience and coming together. I just really love that. And when we're in true balance, we're in our masculine and feminine. And I would just add one more thing, which is that's us talking a lot right now. So here we go. But when the masculine and feminine come together in the ganja world, like you conceive him or you see like the seed, the oil, the fiber, and that's what comes together when the masculine and feminine live together and grow and they create seed and birth.

3:04:56SpeakerSo we're always talking about, oh, I got to have hash. I got to have flowers. That's amazing how it's one slice of what cannabis has to offer. And when you are looking at the full cannabis picture, there is a really good representation of both masculine and feminine in there, which is nice. And I think you get way different high off of plants that have seeds in them than plants that do not.

3:05:21SpeakerI truly believe that we haven't even really... Amy Van Dyken, ADE, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she,

3:05:41BubblemanGlandular males. Have you ever seen a glandular male? Males that produce glandular trichomes? This is what DJ Short used to create some of his little creations. The glandular male. I first photographed one with Dr. Atomic. I went to Dr. Atomic's place years ago and photographed his Cambodian. He had a Cambodian cultivar he brought home that he was hitting with his Northern Lights and a bunch of other things.

3:06:10BubblemanAnd he had this glandular mail that he was using. And he was just like, man, I'm telling you, this thing is... This is the secret weapon right here if you want to produce some really beautiful genetics. And it was the second time I had heard it. It was the second time I had heard it. First was from Dan, DJ Short, and the second was Doc Atomic, who, gosh, he must be well into his 70s right now as well.

3:06:37SpeakerDefinitely.

3:06:37BubblemanShout out to Doc Atomic wherever you are.

3:06:39SpeakerBig up, Dr. Atomic. Shout out. He always has such good energy. I was with a bunch of the old deadheads in Eugene. You know, all the great... That's where you're going to tell the story. Well, D.J. Sparrow is out of Eugene. There's a blueberry story everywhere. And I was talking to a bunch of the Grateful Dead family members out at a picnic out in Pleasant Hill, and they were all trying to get sunshine to grow a big patch for them and make sure that she seeded it because they didn't want to grow.

3:07:06SpeakerThey didn't want to smoke the weed that didn't have the seeds in it because they liked the old school high that they were getting from the seeds. So I really wonder what kind of science, what do you think about that, Mark? What do you think about like terpenes changing or anything?

3:07:20BubblemanWell, definitely it's been known that when seed production occurs that cannabinoid production goes down, you know, a lot of energy goes into producing embryos in the plant. But I think that whatever you do to the plant will affect the high. You know, if that makes sense, everything seems to affect the high. Like earlier, Julie was talking about stress increasing. What an interesting message for the cannabis plant to send human beings that stress and adversity might not be such a bad thing for bettering you as a human being.

3:07:57BubblemanTrying to create an environment that is like safe all the time. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:08:19SpeakerAnd I've reached this new level of accepting everything as it is. And I spent, you know, fucking my thirties fucking fighting against everything. Like, oh no, it shouldn't be like that. You know, this shouldn't be like, no, this is like, and that's all fucked up because it's like everything that's happening, especially the shitty things are like the greatest treasure troves. Of everything we need when we accept it and we work with it.

3:08:51SpeakerAnd then we also ask spirit, you know, 24 seven, I'm asking and receiving messages. And, and there's this asking you shall receive and be guided on how to get through this shit heap

3:09:07SpeakerAnd then heaven's going to rain down on you. That's what I keep finding. It's like, wow, I'm just accepting everything. I'm just working with everything as it is. First of all, that's way less stressful. And then realizing that everything's happening for me, that in this universe, everything's happening for us, not to us. We're not victims. We're victors. And that it's just if we find why it's happening for us rather than fighting it.

3:09:37SpeakerThen we get into the treasure. Then it's like treasure troves. That's what I find. And it's revelational. I love living this way. It's just, it's the way to live for me. Yeah.

3:09:51BubblemanGood call, Marcus.

3:09:52SpeakerGood call. Because that is so true.

3:09:55BubblemanAbsolutely. Absolutely. I think it's time for a bong rep, actually.

3:10:00SpeakerDoes anyone have any in Berlin? Because we don't have any. I got my spectrum oil. We're on something strassy. Come check us out. Damn, dude. See? That's why I shouldn't have been there. We're taking a drool over your guys' heads right now. That's all. Actually, we're trying to meet up with Green Maze and the High Secret Cup family later on today. Okay. There'll be something going on.

3:10:22SpeakerGabby and Ty, they do the Secret Cup. They're amazing human beings.

3:10:26Dr Mark ScialdoneIsn't it legal in Germany?

3:10:29SpeakerIt is, but you have to have a prescription, but it only takes a minute over the phone to get it. And supposedly they can bring it to us within 20 minutes, but I've heard that it's all Canadian meds. They don't have weed stores. I don't want Canadian.

3:10:51SpeakerNot only did you fuck up your own fucking country, but now you're fucking pushing your booth weed all over the fucking world. Hey, calm down. Super booth is a good one. That's why. Super booth is different. Okay, okay. Take that shit and turn it to gold. Super booth.

3:11:09BubblemanThere was a guy who had a QR code last year. Everyone had his number, and that guy would show up within five or ten minutes, and people seemed to like what he had. Here in Berlin or?

3:11:21SpeakerYeah, in Berlin. Yeah, yeah. There is some. I'm being silly. There's some good stuff. We just literally all got here. Yeah, we literally just got here. Telemedical is what they call it here. And you can order online in Berlin here and get Weed to Your House within 15 or 20 minutes. Or it's free. Absolutely. Wow. It's crazy. Speaking of which, I have to go finish this fucking magazine.

3:11:47SpeakerI got several hours of burning the midnight oil so I get it done. We're down to the wire. People can still hop in though. So if anybody wants to hop in, it's 10,000 magazines. We're going to be blanketing the garden and the show. And I got to fucking finish this now. So I got to cut. But this was so fun. And I hope, Marcus, that you would invite me on in the future.

3:12:16SpeakerYou guys are all free. Good to see you. It was a wonderful, wonderful conversation. So, thank you. Love you, Julie. Thank you all. I'll talk to you later, maybe.

3:12:26BubblemanEnjoy Berlin. Enjoy Berlin. Well, I've got another rip in me. I was going to stop at 12, but maybe we'll go till like 1230 now. I got to...

3:12:38SpeakerSo, Dr. Mark, what do you think about that idea about seeds and seeded males and... And what do you think about the high being different? And it's something that people are searching for.

3:12:49Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know, like, like Marcus said that, you know, the plants putting a lot of energy into seed production, you know, so I, I don't know. I was in that discussion where you're talking about the egg selecting the sperm. I was kind of extrapolating that onto the plant too, as well. You know, Why do female flowers exude this wonderful bouquet of phytochemicals? You know, like, is it looking for the right, uh, you know, uh, what, what is the evolutionary reason why this, um, uh, phytochemical pathway evolved itself in cannabis?

3:13:42Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, it's very,

3:13:44BubblemanAnd is it the same in humans? Because, you know, when I when I Googled what Kelly had said, it said recent research indicates that eggs release chemical signals that attract sperm And can influence which sperm successfully fertilizes the egg, even if it's not from the intended partner. This process known as cryptic female choice allows the egg to potentially select for genetic compatibility or other desirable traits. Interesting that it releases chemical signals.

3:14:18Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. So a lot like terpenes, right? Or roots.

3:14:22Etienne FontanIt's sniffing all this water bubble, right?

3:14:24Dr Mark ScialdoneThe plant emitting... Uh, compounds from its flowers to enhance its survival in a Darwin sense. And so certainly like attracting, uh, animals like humans, you know, is going to, uh, spread its genetic information into the pool. I mean, so like, is there again, an evolutionary reason Why, you know, terpenes, terpenes also, I mean, the thing you could say too is that, yeah, there's a whole chemical universe of signals that traverse between plants and, and, and, and It's environments, including the other plants and microbes that are in the soil.

3:15:24Dr Mark ScialdoneWe were talking about microbes earlier. You guys know this in spades, right? Because the plant does not fix nitrogen, so it needs this symbiotic relationship with microbes that have figured out how to fix nitrogen. Because fixing nitrogen from the air is is is not trivial chemistry that's like archibiotic chemistry echoes back to the primordial soup right there you go traversing the fungal terpenum so yeah i mean it's it's such a a uh orchestrated dance between the plant kingdom and the fungi kingdom And all that the plant lives in, including humans.

3:16:16Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, I think the plant has evolved, co-evolved with humans. At least we'd like to think we've co-evolved, right? Since the discovery of or the reunification of humans with the plant from the cannabis deficient century, which was last century, right? So. Here we are, we're like, you know, a quarter of the way through this new millennia or this first century of the new millennium. And you remember, you know, we traversed the millennium here, right?

3:16:49Dr Mark ScialdoneSo like I have one kid born in one millennium and another kid born in another millennium. We didn't plan that, but that's just the way it is, right? And it's like, what is, yeah, where do we go from here? I think living soil has got the key But it goes back to, you know, again, nurturing the plant and getting the plant what it needs in a natural Non-synthetic way.

3:17:19Dr Mark ScialdoneYou guys were here earlier in the episode. We were talking about synthetics, you know, because I have a question. There's a big discussion around synthetics here in the States because there's a huge market that's opening up like with beverages and whatnot. And they're synthetically making THC. They're adding lemon flavor to it. They're carbonating it. They're putting it in cans and convenience stores and gas stations and grocery stores and liquor stores.

3:17:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd while I'm in one way, I'm applauding the effort. You know, I think it's cool that you can go to a liquor store and buy like some really good wine and some booze and some beverages for your party. And it'd be cool that if you could also buy cannabis based beverages or beverages with cannabinoids for your party guests that don't like consuming alcohol. Now you're providing more of a variety for them.

3:18:15Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, so in one way, I applaud the access But in another way, it's kind of scary because these are really super big businesses. Big beverages all ready to go into cannabis where, you know, THC, nano emulsion is just a, it's just an ingredient, you know, and it's just an ingredient that they can put in to their beverages like a different flavor or a different color. And they already have the distribution network.

3:18:44Dr Mark ScialdoneThey already have the deep pockets. They have the large warehouses. They have, you know, uh, Control of a commodity based supply chain. So, yeah, I think it's great. I mean, I think in a way it's kind of taking away from the artisan flower of what cannabis production can be. But I guess, yeah, I mean, the almighty dollar and people wanting to get high have basically created this market opportunity for these Synthetic products, you know.

3:19:23SpeakerYou know, I'm going to I'm going to draw some lines here and maybe make a soup or maybe it'll be a pathway out. But I'm really wondering something that we know about egg choices and women and pheromones and male pheromones is that we know that when a woman fucks with her hormones, And she takes synthetic birth control pills. We know that now she doesn't have the capability to choose her partner in the same way, nor does the partner have the same capability because she's not exuding pheromones at a certain time.

3:20:00SpeakerShe's now exuding something different. It's more from a synthetic, you know, time schedule as well as, you know, it's basically a whole synthetic rhythm that you're put on. And when we, when we understand reproduction, it's actually very much so with the moon cycles and with nature and, So now I'm wondering when you said, hmm, that really draws me to wonder about the cannabis plant and choosing her pollen, do the flowers choose the pollen?

3:20:28SpeakerAnd if they're going to be synthetic and they're being fed synthetic nutrients that are in a synthetic environment, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:20:58SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

3:21:19SpeakerI've been like kind of envisioning this concept of the roots. We've been talking about, you know, emitting and attracting. I mean, that's what roots do. So roots are emitting compounds at all times to attract the organizms that are proper for its growth. So I would venture to say that the plant is gathering information and possibilities from the soil and preparing itself. For the pollen when it comes.

3:21:49SpeakerIt's a deeper concept kind of, and I like that idea, you know, that there's this, and it's taking in your energy as well when you're growing it. The plants, it's evolving in front of you. We're evolving in front of it. It's involved. We're all co-creating together to make the next generation. And you know, one thing that definitely is definitive to what Josh is saying is that every year, We grow a tremendous amount of different varietals, all from seed.

3:22:18SpeakerAnd all hemp, right? Yeah, totally. So we grow a tremendous amount of varietals, hemp. And what's really interesting is every single year, All of them will be heavy on one particular terpene profile, no matter what varietal it was. Or the source of the varietal. Yeah, or the source of the varietal or anything. One year we'll have all skunk, even though of course the mimosa is going to have a little skunky in there, but it's going to smell like mimosa, but it's still going to have, you know, like, or one year we'll have all fruit.

3:22:58SpeakerAnother year would be like, whoa, the terpenylene was really heavy. It came out in everything. Or, whoa, the myrcene really came out in everything super heavy. And I believe this is environmental. It is absolutely soil based. And the terpenes are definitely deciding something having to do with environmental issues. Because it is crazy that, you know, one year we'll grow all skunk and everything will turn out fruity, even though we might have grown a tremendous amount of skunk varietals.

3:23:27SpeakerSo pretty interesting.

3:23:30Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, it's interesting to think that it's some type of, you know, response at a genetic level, right? And that's ubiquitous from variety to variety and the conditions that you're growing in that, You know, the plant is emitting those terpenes and those volatiles for a reason and not necessarily to fill our taste buds, right? So it's doing that in evolutionary pressure To reproduce. So that's the interesting thing is to try to piece all of that together.

3:24:10Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, I've always had the same curiosity about catmint. You know, catmint, similar to cannabis, exudes a essential oil in glandular trichomes similar to cannabis. And those are the glandular trichomes that contains the compound, the patella lactone, which is what is exciting cats, right? And so why would this plant develop this biosynthetic pathway And the other thing that's interesting about catnip too is its essential oil attracts lacewings, right?

3:24:57Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd lacewings will eat thrips, right? Because they're part of that insect food chain, right? So wait a second. So what you're telling me is that you have a mint variety, That gets cats fucked up. That attracts lacewings. It's like, oh my God. It's like, like, what don't we know? Like, you know, it's interesting to consider again, ayahuasca, which is, it needed humans to bring these two plants from the jungle together and put them together.

3:25:33Dr Mark ScialdoneSo what other combinations could there be out there? I mean, if you know anybody who subscribes to Chinese herbalism or know a Chinese herbalist, Yeah. So to me, I mean, it's amazing, right? I mean, Kelly, is it right? I mean, there's basically a cure for everything or for every medical indication. Like if you have hives, if you have hemorrhoids, if you have inflammation, I mean, anything there's basically the Chinese have figured out over a millennia.

3:26:11Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you. Herbal or mushroom preparation could be used to treat those conditions, right?

3:26:20SpeakerAbsolutely. But, you know, it's really interesting. And even cannabis, you know, what came first, fire or cannabis? You know, so you can say that we put You know, the ayahuasca, the chacruna and the ayahuasca together, but we also put fire together with cannabis to recognize that the decarboxylation is what we need in order to get high. So you were saying, you know, the plant is evolving, but the plant doesn't evolve without us and we don't evolve without it.

3:26:48SpeakerAnd it is the same pretty much for the entire plant kingdom. I really, truly believe that like does a rose exist? If we don't ever smell it or don't ever see it, it's just it's a highly intellectual conversation. But also, you know, if we just compare it to nature, we recognize that we are nature and we just continue to try to put ourselves above nature. So we actually are.

3:27:18SpeakerWhat if we're one of those plants? Right. What if the human is a plant? What if the human is like the chacruna and then the ayahuasca is the ayahuasca? And when you mix the two together, that's when you get it. So now when you mix a human together with a plant, then now we have this ability to be able to exist together and heal together. And that involvement is the magic of whatever you want to call God.

3:27:49SpeakerWhatever it is that You want it to be, you know?

3:27:52Dr Mark ScialdoneSo how many other things potentially are out there that we just don't know or, you know, haven't discovered yet, right?

3:28:02SpeakerAlmost everything. I would, I've been connecting. It's springtime right now. We're inventing it right now. So of course, it's almost everything because we're creating it right now. So we're creating the whole future. And as much things as we've created into the past is now going to be exponential. What Josh always talks about is that, you know, the fractal and the whole Mandelbrot, this idea that humanity and nature is the Mandelbrot.

3:28:30SpeakerSystem that just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and fractals more and more and more because more is being introduced just even alone on this show today. We've all come together and maybe we wouldn't have even had this conversation if it wasn't all of us. And I like Ayurveda as well as Chinese medicine. Both have an amazing history and a different way to analyze the body. And I think it'd be interesting if you wanted to, to talk about just the way that the Chinese medicine analyzes the body through heat, through looking at the tongue.

3:29:08SpeakerIt's super interesting. Like you just open your mouth and put your tongue out and you It's got some light on it. You know, you could tell us things about that. It is. It's pretty interesting of how we are indicators. You know, we're indicators with everything. And so is the plant. You know, I mean, for me, I can just walk into a group of people. And unfortunately, I feel like now I can even tell the person in like maybe a group of 30, the one who is sick.

3:29:41SpeakerMy body has these capabilities to I feel things that maybe I wasn't even able to do before but because I am existing with these plants and I am existing with human beings that are continuously elevating their mindscape that helps me elevate my mindscape and be able to perfect the path that I'm meant to be here on. And so that's why it's so important to always surround yourself with people that are really incredible because then it really lends a hand for you to become more incredible just like you know if you have a really shitty plant and one that's not doing very well and you want it to do very well a lot of people will say oh let's just isolate that plant let's take put it over not me i say put it with the super healthy plants because then it's gonna get that vibration and that feeling of oh shit i better catch up i gotta get healthy and then those plants are communicating with each other so just like a sick child you don't want to Isolate them.

3:30:43SpeakerAnd a lot of people say, oh, you know, it gives things to each other. I mean, that's another conversation. I get it. But, you know, the healthier that we want to be, we want to surround ourselves with more help.

3:30:53BubblemanWell, I'm going to shout out Peter and say, what's up, Peter? I've been trying to shout you out for the last couple of weeks, and I've just been missing the ball and forgetting. And this is Peter. He's with Josh, and that's his son, right?

3:31:07SpeakerYes. Oh, yeah. What a beautiful family, Peter. Come on, Peter. And honestly, the best cheese I have eaten, period. His wife brought in some of the most amazing cheese. And the farm that they work with. And they put hemp seeds in it. And it was unbelievable. And here we are. Energy. OK, well, you can have all of the ingredients and you could do all of the same thing.

3:31:35SpeakerAnd one person can make and then another person could make it. The energy that you put into it is going to elevate that as well. And Peter and his wife super sparked, super sparked people, really beautiful. I was really taken back by their son. He was so amazing and so energetic and conversational and just confident and I know and smart and I know that they're homeschooling and I also was really impressed with Moravia and Eastern Czech Republic, which is Ostrava, which is the area that Peter lives in.

3:32:10SpeakerI mean, for us in North America, when we're going to Eastern Czech Republic, the reality is we think we're in the middle of nowhere. We don't understand Eastern Czechia. Thank you for joining us.

3:32:42SpeakerCool two and a half hour video of Terrence McKenna in Prague in 1992. And he's calling it the Prognosis. G-N-O-S-I-S. Meaning he sees it as just an insane portal. This amazing, timeless, unbelievable city. And he talks about Bohemia as a kingdom being a collection of alchemists. And nature lovers and high functioning beings. And there's probably a reason why the word Bohemia still exists today, or maybe why hippies used to be called Bohemians or a Bohemia style of life.

3:33:24SpeakerAnd so I just want to say again, Peter, thank you. And we really loved the area that you live in. And everyone that we met in Ostrava was spectacular. And we hope to meet up with More of those amazing people while we're here this week.

3:33:38Dr Mark ScialdoneBeginning right now.

3:33:40BubblemanSorry. Okay. Awesome. Very, very much stoked on Peter and the cheese and all that information. I'm glad you guys had that as a backup because I had been meaning to. And he watches Hash Church all the time. So he's always watching. He's probably watching right now. I did post the Terrence Prognosis video in the chat room for anyone that's interested. I want to do this giveaway. I have this giveaway.

3:34:06BubblemanI don't know what you're going to get. It might be some rosin bags. It might be one of their new big-ass bubble spoons. I really like the bubble spoons, the new bubble spoon from the Press Club. Not sure if you guys saw these yet. They're pretty sweet, man. This is like a spoon that the Press Club has created, and it's just a nice big, like, scooper for, like, Decent amounts of resin.

3:34:32BubblemanAnd they've got their name on there, the press club, on the bar, on the hand piece, and then on the back of the spoon as well, right there. It's just quality. It just feels good. Shows up in a nice little box here. And I don't know. I don't know if this is what you're going to get. I don't know if you're going to get some of their rosin bags.

3:34:52BubblemanI have no idea. All I do is I give away and then they fulfill. So no expectations. Don't be upset if you don't get what you think you're getting because there is no thinking of what you're getting. You're just getting something from the press club. Also, the person who wins is going to have to get me their address. Otherwise, it's no bueno. So what I would say is, if you can send me an email, I mean, really, ideally, you'd text me on Instagram with the same name that you use on YouTube.

3:35:20BubblemanIf it's a totally different name, I have to be able to connect you to your name. And this is the part that I'm not so good at. So I will warn you, if we can't connect your name and prove that it's you that won,

3:35:35BubblemanWe'll have a problem. So let's try to figure that out. Maybe just send me a message on Instagram. I'll give you a word to type into chat. If I see you type that word in, I'll know it's you. I'll take your address and pass it on to the press club. All right. Without further ado, there is only 45 people entered. So there's a good chance one in 45 that you will win this.

3:35:54BubblemanSo I'm going to first Make this very, very transparent, the giveaway that is. So we'll put it up on the screen. You can see all the people on the right is our chat room. You can see the ones on the left are all the people that are entered. Just saw a couple of more get entered there real quick. All you have to do to be entered is type something into the chat.

3:36:15BubblemanSo now we've got 49.

3:36:19BubblemanMaybe we'll get a few more. There's 50. Cody Packer. I want to shout out Cody Packer. He did something extremely generous for Dr. David Allen recently. And I just want to thank him for that, for what he did for Dr. David Allen was a really beyond and above, above and beyond, you know, offering help for someone. He really like slam dunked the help. And so thank you, Cody.

3:36:47BubblemanYou're a good dude. All right, Dr. Mark, you're entered for it as well. 59. See everyone enter, man. Come on, man. This is cool. We got 61. It'd be good to get up to 73. I'm just saying. We're at 65. Right? 73. It's not a good year, Josh. Yeah. What happened in that year?

3:37:06SpeakerSomething good. Something good. I know one thing. Our parents were at it. That's what's up. I was like, I'm September 9th, so I don't know what was going on.

3:37:15BubblemanDude, all I know is our mom's eggs were choosing very specific sperms that turned out to be us.

3:37:23SpeakerYou have to add to that that the spirit of the child coming in somewhere in there is... Gotta have a part of it. You'd hope.

3:37:30BubblemanYou'd hope. We just blew by 73. We're now in 76.

3:37:36SpeakerI can't even believe it. 77, that was a very good year for the Grateful Dead.

3:37:41BubblemanMaybe one of my favorites, actually.

3:37:43Speaker77 is just a classic year.

3:37:45Bubbleman77, Cornell. Isn't that the Cornell show? 77. Oh, yeah. 78, 78 is no slouch. Donna was hard and heavy in 78. Yeah, she was.

3:37:56SpeakerDefinitely. 79. Wasn't it the closing of the Winterland or the Fillmore? The closing of the Winterland.

3:38:01Dr Mark Scialdone78. Yeah.

3:38:03SpeakerNo, Fillmore is closing now or something, right?

3:38:08Bubbleman80 entries. Gosh, damn. I think I'm going to pick one. Although it's hard to pick one when new people keep coming in. And I hate the idea of cutting people out of an opportunity.

3:38:19SpeakerChoose a time, Marcus.

3:38:21Etienne FontanYeah, set a time frame and a time frame. You've got this much time to do it and then cut it, do a cut off. That's the fair way to do it. Such as in the future, you should do it at the beginning and say at this time in the show, I'm going to do this.

3:38:35BubblemanWell, no, the thing is, is this timer resets every 15 minutes is the maximum for the night bought giveaway. So everyone that wants to enter has to enter within a 15 minute frame. And if we go for past 15 minutes, all the initial people will start being deleted from the entry. So It's at 82. I think that's a pretty much good enough number for me. I'm going to choose a winner here in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

3:39:04BubblemanLet's choose a winner. And it looks like it's M. Just M. No picture, following status unknown. So M, if you are watching, okay, we might re-roll a winner. We'll see. Let's close that for now. If M, if you're watching, you need to be able to get a hold of me either through my email bcbubbleman at icloud.com or through Instagram at bcbubbleman. And if you can do that in the very short period of time and I can confirm that you're you and I have the right M and whatnot, I'll get the press club to send you off a package.

3:39:49BubblemanAnd shout out to the Press Club for sponsoring Hash Church today, both them and Puffco.

3:39:55SpeakerCan we do a giveaway?

3:39:56BubblemanYeah, yeah, you could do a giveaway. Well, maybe not next week, but the week after for sure. I have a specific show planned for next week.

3:40:06SpeakerSkunk's doing a giveaway after that. We have really nice new nutrients that have taken our old nutrients and made them unfreaking believable. Oh, yeah. Your new nutrients. Yeah, that's called Foundations and Transitions. I'd love to give away some.

3:40:20BubblemanWell, we can do it anytime. I mean, I could do it right now, but first I have to close this giveaway and just make sure that M, I'm waiting to see M in the chat confirm that he or she knows that they have won. And if they, oh, M, I'm M. Okay, M, there you are. So what I need M to do. And you send me a Instagram message.

3:40:51SpeakerPress Club's been really nice to us, so we would also like to shout out Press Club. They've been very sweet to us, and they've given us some beautiful gifts. I like the paper that you press with. It's got the glossy side on one side for making rosin. And they're a family-run business, like siblings and family. And it's cool. They're out of San Francisco.

3:41:16BubblemanYeah, they're good folks. We, we definitely appreciate their support and we want to, okay, he doesn't have an Instagram. Send me an email.

3:41:24SpeakerI love it. They don't even have an Instagram. That's beautiful.

3:41:37SpeakerI'll just say that this weekend, we would like to say thank you to Marco and Vibes, and we will be in the garden at Mary Jane. And we're going to be featuring a podcast lounge called the Legacy Lounge and doing interviews with any people that we come across, people that reach out to us, people that we find. So definitely reach out to us. It's going to be short and sweet, good times, good energy.

3:42:07SpeakerAnd also we're going to participate in numerous competitions this week. It's one of them, the Cups HW Cup. With Fahy and the Ego Clash as a sponsor in there as Origins will say. Thank you, Fahy. And we already mentioned Green Maze and the High Secret Cup and Dabadoo and Mila and Milus participating in that. And I feel like there's something else that we're missing, but there's just a lot of stuff happening this week and we're really excited about it.

3:42:45SpeakerSo we look forward to seeing any people that are going to be here. I know Chris from Humboldt Fungi is going to be here with Lena, who was Frenchie Canole. And Igor is running his. And Igor in the Full Moon Sesh. That's the one I was being really dumb about, but big up, Full Moon Sesh. They're going to be here too. And everyone else that we're going to be participating with.

3:43:10BubblemanBeautiful. Sounds like a party. I wish I was there myself. I've got my partners coming in this week from Missouri and Colorado. So I'm going to be spending some time with them. And then literally like next week, I'm taking my son on this fishing trip out to Manitoba to go hang out with my skunkle, which I do hope. To get him on Hash Church, my uncle's been puffing herbs for, I want to say, 50 to 60 years.

3:43:42BubblemanAnd he's been, yeah, he's just quite enjoyed it. Now he's got a license, thanks to Selena, helped him get a medical license. And he's got his grow next to his cabin now. So he's totally, totally stoked on that. And just, yeah, it's going to be amazing to go out to this cabin, the cabin that I used to go to as a kid. You know, when I was like five, four, five, six years old, I went to this cabin.

3:44:05BubblemanThat's like literally 47 years ago. And it's going to be a trip to go back and just have that whole nostalgic vibe hit me, get bit by a horsefly and be like, oh, yeah, I remember why I left Manitoba.

3:44:19SpeakerAnd, you know, just to just to just throw in there, what you're going to get the most nostalgia from is the terpenes. It really is the smell of certain areas, you know, and certain time periods, you know, you hear the birds, but you really smell the smell of Manitoba. And that brings back all of the memories. I actually think that we have Ola Factory Memories from Past Lives.

3:44:41SpeakerI even believe that. They say that Ola Factory is one thing that can trigger memory more than anything. So that's pretty interesting in itself. We have a cardboard cutout of you, Marcus. We're going to carry around. So you'll be here with us and we're going to have a cardboard cutout of Marcus. We're going to say, take a picture with Marcus. We should have you. We should. We should do that.

3:45:03SpeakerWhat do you think, Marcus? I think it's a great idea. You can just record that.

3:45:08BubblemanPut it in a little microphone, a little speaker behind my head. Bob's your uncle.

3:45:16SpeakerIt's going to say may the full melt puff your bless your bowl up here, you know, on the couch.

3:45:22BubblemanRight? Dude, I wouldn't even be surprised. Like it's 99% I'm not going, but I do have so many people trying to get me right there.

3:45:30SpeakerSomebody get Marcus a ticket. Marcus, we have an extra room for you. And the actual place that we're in is Such a score. It is so beautiful. It's right down the street. From Box and Hogger. From Box and Hogger. Box and Hoggers. We're right here. So it's in a really beautiful neighborhood and you can just roll right in. Just, we're going to have the key. That's all.

3:45:56SpeakerYeah, you can't have the key. Actually, no, there's a code so you can come this time. You can come this time. Yeah, you're good with numbers. Yeah, you're good with numbers. Bit of a key loser.

3:46:05BubblemanWell, one time. All you have to do is do something one time.

3:46:08SpeakerNo, just once.

3:46:10BubblemanIt becomes who you are.

3:46:12SpeakerYeah, big key loser. You're more than that to us.

3:46:16BubblemanI'm a bit of a key loser. I'm not going to lie. I lost the key. We've told the story. You've heard it before. I lost the key. I think it was the motorcycle. I think it blew out of my pocket going like 100 kilometers an hour on the highway to the ego clash. That's where I think I lost it. That's where it was.

3:46:34SpeakerIt was like an ancient key that people have kept for like 200 years. Yeah.

3:46:40BubblemanNow it's on like the side of the highway.

3:46:44Johnny BI bet you I lost it within 40 minutes. I'm going to the jar check.

3:46:48BubblemanJust blows out of my pocket. Yeah, it's tough. Well, I'm still waiting for this email from M because if I don't get it, I got to go on and give this away to someone else. So I think I, I think, oh, I think I got it. I think I got it. There it is. Look at this.

3:47:13Etienne FontanPerfect.

3:47:17BubblemanThis is wonderful.

3:47:22SpeakerThanks for doing the good work yesterday. Very good person. Appreciate you being out there with all the people yesterday.

3:47:28Etienne FontanWell, hey, just doing my, just happy to be a small pebble on a very big beach, you know, but yeah, I've been doing, you know, protests for decades. I've done rallies in 47 states. So, you know, I had to go out and since it was local in Berkeley, because I usually go to the bigger ones, usually in Oakland or San Francisco, but Those look well attended. So I was on the Gilman Street Bridge with a whole bunch of others, all different ages, young, old.

3:48:01Etienne FontanIt was absolutely wonderful to see people coming out and I've done, again, I've done rallies all over the country and some around the world and the amount of honking that we got, I was blown away. Absolutely the support of everybody and the people and seeing the, they estimated just the organizers, they had 11 million plus show up. Around the country? Correct, which is just at the critical point, because once a country has 3.5% of its population march, no administration survives that.

3:48:43Etienne FontanThat's worldwide. So good job, American people.

3:48:48SpeakerI wonder if that goes on that percentage of biology. There's like,

3:48:55SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

3:49:15SpeakerMicrobiology.

3:49:17Etienne FontanIt's also that same 3% that stated that no matter what you do, there will always be 3% that are against you regardless. So, you know, it seems to be a significant percentage so that we got 3.5. Good job. But still a lot of work to do people but I was glad to be a part. I was glad to see Americans standing up. And it was also nice to see, I just saw a picture of Canadians across the river were also celebrating and holding signs in support, et cetera.

3:49:46Etienne FontanSo thank you, Canadians, who showed up in support as well to protest alongside with us. And shout out to my wife. It was her first one. So it was nice to get her feet wet. So much love, everybody. And thanks for keeping it peaceful.

3:50:03SpeakerBut I do really believe that we need more kings. I'm saying, I think we need more kings of men that have a king within themselves. And I think that a conscious king is something that a lot of, you know, society has really tried to pull out of men and take away their power. But I believe that, you know, the more conscious kings that we have, the less overriding kings that we will have.

3:50:32SpeakerWas it not International Men's Day yesterday as well? It was. It's interesting to chant no kings on International Men's Day. Having nothing to do with politics. Nothing to do with politics. Just interesting. That's all. But dude, 11 million is a lot. That is amazing.

3:50:54SpeakerWe went from Oregon to Vancouver, BC on that day yesterday and went all through Portland. There was 20 or 30,000 people in Eugene all through Portland and Seattle. We're like, damn, we got to catch an airplane, family. How are we supposed to get through this shit? I-5 was closed. We were going to back roads. Luckily, the border was easy.

3:51:18SpeakerThe border. Good job, y'all. Way to thread that needle.

3:51:22BubblemanYeah, exactly. You got there. You made it.

3:51:26SpeakerI cannot believe it. We did. It was definitely a hard thing to do. And there was no airplanes available in America. And we had to go to Vancouver. And it was actually the one spot where there was open planes. And we're just like, hello, motherfucking Luya. And we made it. Yeah.

3:51:45BubblemanWell, I want to thank everyone for coming out today on a... Really quite lovely Sunday afternoon here in British Columbia. Thanks everyone for watching. Thank you to the Press Club for their... Sponsorship and their giveaway to M, who I have been able to confirm is M. I now have his email and I have since sent his email off to Jeffrey at the Press Club. So he will get that email today.

3:52:12BubblemanJeffrey will be able to put together whatever it is he's sending you, M. And congratulations once again for winning our little giveaway today. We'll do the nutrient giveaway next time for sure. Kelly, that sounds like anytime. I would love to.

3:52:27SpeakerI didn't even know you did this fun little giveaway. This is my first time being a part of this little giveaway and you running that little thing. It makes me want to get involved.

3:52:35BubblemanYeah, it's nice. It's fun. Good. Give stuff away. You know, I like it because there was a time where I gave so much stuff away on my channel. Thank you for watching.

3:53:01BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:53:19BubblemanAnd I've done my job and that's really my focus. But I shall say goodbye to everyone. Thanks to Kelly and Josh for coming in from Berlin and Julie from Skunk Magazine. Thank you, Etienne Fontaine and Dr. Mark and Colin and Caleb, who was here for a while with us. Thanks for coming in and sharing. Much appreciation to all of you. We'll see you next weekend, quite possibly for this abstract aromatic volatile compound show that we've been planning for months.

3:53:49BubblemanSo let's hope that that happens. In the meantime, Dr. David Allen did chime in earlier and say the amygdala relies heavily on past smells and olfactory input and auditory input. So he wanted to chime that in as well from the MD himself, Dr. David Allen. And yeah, we'll see you next week. May the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. Happy Father's Day to everyone out there.

3:54:16BubblemanYou're important. Fathers are important. You're doing the good work, raising the boys and the girls. You know, taking care of your partner and spouse the best you can. I find it to be a great honor, the greatest honor of my life, quite honestly, to be a father. And I'm going to continue down that journey. So until next week, may the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later.

3:54:39BubblemanWe'll see you guys later. Peace out.