Bubble Hash Testing and Press Club Spoon

0:14BubblemanHere we go. Here we go. All right, let's get recording here.

0:24BubblemanAll right, welcome everyone. Welcome to Hash Church, season 11, episode 25. We're almost halfway through the year of consistent Hash Churches, which I gotta say, that's pretty awesome. We've been rocking it out. Shout out to all the good folks in the chat room. John Maddox, our number one poster. Shout out to you, good brother, OG Brick 420, Weebner, DWC, DJS, Big John, Camden Fragman. Couldn't forget Bingo Lombardi.

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3:21Etienne FontanI hope you're doing well. All doing good. It was fortunate yesterday I got to see Caleb. Whoop, whoop. Nice 45. There, Colin. Got to see our friend Caleb yesterday and Dominic. We'll be smoking on some of this this morning. I got to spend yesterday there. Dominic and Caleb are going around California. Thank you so much for joining us.

4:06Etienne FontanSo if you want to come talk about growing in cannabis in California historically, come on down and talk to those guys. They are working their way all through California, but they're in Santa Cruz for the next two days. So pop over and say hello. And say hi.

4:22BubblemanWho's that? Caleb. Yeah, no, I said, how cool is that? I was talking to Caleb this morning. Diana reached out to me from Amsterdam, and she'd been wanting to get in touch with him. She found our printout, which was an interview with him and Sam. She'd been going through all of Sam's stuff, and she's very connected, wants to stay connected, and God bless her heart. I love her for it.

4:48BubblemanWe certainly have love for you, Diana. So yeah, she wanted his new email. She was... She had an email, but she was missing one letter. So he hooked that up this morning and I passed it over to her. And he's going to try and pop in here in a little bit. So we'll see how that goes. Welcome, Brother Colin.

5:09BubblemanWhat's good?

5:11Collin PalmerDid you tell me, did you get your kid real hard with the ball or what? You know, listen, dodgeball with little kids. It's very satisfying.

5:22Collin PalmerYeah, no doubt. Dude, it's so funny. Like it's kids love it. It's like, you know, it's it's amazing. But I'm doing really well. I'm super stoked to be here. I'm stoked for the conversation today and, you know, see where it goes. But I've got some sour diesel Wilson in my jar in the fridge. I'll go grab in a little bit, which I've been kind of. Digging into, big shout out to Masonic.

5:49Collin PalmerIt's a very good cross. Absolutely bonkers good. So those out there. Produces 5% and above.

5:59BubblemanIt's very good. I think we're going to give one of these away today at one point in time from the Press Club. Have you guys seen their custom bubble hash spoon? It's pretty fucking nice, dude. Look at the size of this thing. That's a big spoon tang. Yeah. That's dope.

6:16DrYeah, really cool.

6:17BubblemanAnd they've got it all like press clubbed out too, right? It's all like buttery and nice and just feels good in the hand. And, you know, my apologies for being involved in this industry for as long as I have and never releasing a spoon. But that's why you pass the torch. That's why new people show up and they arrive and they say, hey, you know, I was inspired by you, but I'm also going to pioneer my own stuff.

6:41BubblemanSo We're definitely going to be giving one of these away later today. I have, geez, I don't even know. Maybe I'll use this spoon to kind of try and do this. I have these hashes to test today. There's about eight of them. All bubble hashes. And I'm going to be testing them out of the Valenveros today. Kind of once we get a conversation going and I'm not like having to like be the main person, maybe Dr. Mark or someone like...

7:15BubblemanCaleb could just come in. I could just mention his name and he could just show up and be in the Hash Church. How cool would that be? Well, life never works like that, does it? Wait! It does work like that. And there he is. Welcome, Caleb, to Hash Church. ATN was just giving me a nice little shout out. You know that guy?

7:35SpeakerYeah.

7:37Etienne FontanWhat's up, Awesome Sauce?

7:39SpeakerWhat's up, all? What's up, Colin? What's up, ATN? Great to see you yesterday, ATN.

7:47BubblemanWonderful. Yeah, welcome. Welcome, Caleb. He's got your flower that he's ready to go down on. And I've got some hashes I'm going to test here in the next little bit on the Valenvera's testing unit. I was kind of waiting for one of those to fall off. Pressed some beautiful hash yesterday. Like, man, I haven't, you know, either... You see, you see things out in the world, but I pressed some really, really nice bubble hash.

8:15BubblemanI was playing with all sorts of, all sorts of hash. Let me see if I can like open some of these, like this bar up that I did. It was GG, Gorilla Glue.

8:26Etienne FontanIt's brick time.

8:27BubblemanYeah, just little 100 gram bricks, you know, going through the process. But look just how clean that looks, dude. Like, oh my God. It felt, I will not lie, like pure power in my hand. Like it was incredible. Here you can see before I put it into the press, you know, just I was hand molding it to fit it into my template so that I could get it to...

8:55BubblemanYou know, into this is what it looked like before. So it was all these are my little buddies that I was playing with over at his house. The hash was like sort of self pressed. It was. Yeah, just really, really nice material. I thought I got some more pictures of it. I know I did, in fact. But. I think my photo app still hasn't loaded them all.

9:22BubblemanOtherwise I would share more of them. They were basically put away as powder and just sealed and then put in a freezer, but they self pressed. Some of it was absolute goop, like complete and total. I just, I love getting my hands into hash. I love the different textures of hash. You know, when I'm doing things, I was doing a consultant consultation and people are always like, oh, so, you know, once we figure this out with this hash, like we'll just be able to create a template.

9:53BubblemanI'm like, man, it doesn't really work like that. Like you'll have a template for this hash. But if you grow it different, if you do something different, like it'll change, it'll change ever so slightly. And I really kind of felt as I was showing my friend yesterday, these processes that there are times, and I think this is a testament to, you know, getting back to sharing the majority of the information and not being overly protective of the SOPs.

10:19BubblemanAlthough there is part of me that's like, Thank you so much for joining us.

10:45BubblemanWhich is probably not the best one to look at it from. Or you can look at it from the sort of love and abundance perspective where you're turning people on, you're moving forward, the whole industry as a whole is moving forward. There's always going to be people that give you pause or give you reason to question Whether I should continue to be so generous. And the answer is yes.

11:11BubblemanThose are tests. Always be generous. Always be kind and always be empathetic. And just understand that sharing and giving away information. Because no matter how much information I gave him yesterday, he didn't know the resin the way I knew the resin. You know, there was always this security of like, well, how, what are we going to do with that? You know, it's like, well, this one in particular, I can see right away, we can't do what we were doing because that's going to not work.

11:35BubblemanAnd for instance, That GG, that glue that I just showed, the Gorilla Glue, it was as hard as a rock. At room temperature, I could throw that through a pane glass window. I could play with it for a little bit and it would get soft, but I really had to like play with it. Whereas another one that he had, Meat Breath, when I opened that up, it was basically pietelid.

11:57BubblemanIt was just like... Thank you for watching.

12:19BubblemanPressing this gorilla glue and then getting next to this meat breath and being like, I'm just going to follow the same template. Well, do you remember when you put Play-Doh into one of those things and then you pushed it down and it all like came up like pasta or whatever when you were a kid? Thank you so much for joining us.

13:02BubblemanThank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next time.

13:26Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us.

13:51Collin PalmerYou know, I always say this to everybody around me. It's like, it's not, it's not about the technique. It's about how well you, it's how many people you can touch. And if you can touch many people with that, you've done a great job, you know, and you're, you're allowing people to see your work through wellness. And that's, that's unique, you know, and that's, that's not something you should hide from anyone or not share.

14:13Collin PalmerCause like you said, Marcus, like It's probably some guy in the Midwest that we don't even know about growing some of the best hash and best resin in his garage making hash.

14:25BubblemanI know it for a fact.

14:27Collin PalmerI know it for a fact. 100%. It's the same thing with music. I think about it all the time. There's a producer somewhere that we don't know about, and he's just unbelievable. He's the next Day Dilla, and we don't know it. And it's out there. So cool perspective. I love that.

14:43Etienne FontanIt's about the we, not the me. And that is key. Not trying to rhyme there. But there's a reason why early on in the dispensary world, we opened up our doors and gave it away freely. Because we knew that if we did not stick together, we were all hanging separately. So, you know, Thinking of the we that if we didn't bring in people to teach them how to run a dispensary, how it should be laid out, how to do these things freely.

15:14Etienne FontanI'm not sure where we are, where we are today. You know what I'm saying? Because there was, you know, Dennis started it, right? He was the OG and then they got shut down. We were the second generation and. People are like, no, we're not going to settle for a status quo. We're going to work for the we as opposed to just the me. And that's where things change, where we step outside of self and we can reflect and make change happen in a way that you conceptualize, but then you ideate and And that is the real trick in life is taking what's in here and making it out here.

15:50Etienne FontanAnd it's easy to keep it in here just for you. But then when you really want to make social movements, this is how it's happened because we wouldn't have bubble hash, right? If Mila hadn't, you know, done it and then you took that other step and making the different degrees. So we all have our contributions. But if she hadn't started it from there, where would we be here now?

16:12Etienne FontanRight? Each generation is successfully taken higher and further. And I think that's why we donate our time here is because we love what we love. But we want to see you here in the future doing it respectfully with love. Something like that.

16:30Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, I hope someone comes back to me and is like, yo, remember that thing you showed me how to do and You know, X amount of years ago. I mean, I had that moment at a show in MSG. Some kid was like, called me out of nowhere. I was like, Colin, he showed me this jar.

16:44Etienne FontanAnd he's like, five years ago, we talked about me just doing my first thing. You told me what to get, what to do.

16:50Collin PalmerHere it is. And then two days later, the kid, I think, placed second or third in Masters of Rosin. It was like, that to me is what makes it all worth it. Like, you know what I mean?

17:01BubblemanIt must have been Skittles. You know, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't a Skittles. It was a papaya. Really? That's unique because Skittles usually takes first, second, and third at the Masters of Brosnan. I might have judged that year, and I'm a big fan of the papaya myself.

17:19Collin PalmerIt's really good. Yeah, it's... Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, I mean, if you haven't had Skittles, it's it's like having White Thorn Rose. You're just like, oh, my gosh, I didn't realize this. It could exist. You know, you're just it's it's it's cool. It's like to me, I guess our era was sour, right? Like when someone hit that, they're like, whoa, I didn't realize that could happen.

17:43Collin PalmerYou know, so I think it's it's very similar and just far removed, you know, a couple of decades. But I think every few years or something like that comes along. But again, I don't know how you guys feel, but there's not something these things are new. It's just that they're

17:59Collin PalmerPerhaps shared more often and widely available for everyone to understand. You know, these flavors like papaya was like KC 30, KC brains or something. So that's, yeah, like he's had that. Although I will say Poochie's cut is the one. A hundred percent, but he, you know, it's been locked in those, those seeds for decades. You know what I mean? It just took someone to search through it, to find it, to pull it out and isolate it as humans do, and then share it, you know?

18:28Collin PalmerSo my point is, is that it's just, we, you know, someone did the work. It's always been there, you know, just kind of looked under the rug and was like, oh shit. Let's share it, you know? So I think that's another part of it is, you know, there's a big world of, you know, flavor that we seem to hold back a lot of the time. So, you know, back to your point, you know, Marcus, you know, for a long time, a lot of these cuts weren't circulated until someone made an F1 or an outcross and then they forced their way into the name.

19:03Collin PalmerSo...

19:05BubblemanAnd, you know, shout out to the people who are willing to share cultivars because, you know, as it likes to sneak in this fear and scarcity, it's been very, very strong in the genetic world. And, you know, for a good reason, I guess there's always been a lot of money in seeds, like from a very, from the 90s, there's just been an insane amount of of money to be made in the sale of cannabis seeds and you you know back in the early days there'd be people that were crushing sales you know like mark and mark was willing to sell any seeds like if he'd give seeds to people be like here make me more of these i can't get enough of them from the breeder so he just didn't care he was like bring them on whereas the breeders obviously well i call them breeders but maybe less of them were breeders and more of them were Kind of just playing around and and doing pollen here and pollen there which is still there's value obviously like we we can sort of discuss that at length as well the differences between you know just kind of playing around and making a bunch of genetics and like stabilizing and creating proper genetic those two worlds are so different and i get little glimpses of them when i talk to ryan lee and he's I think he gets that from Dave because Dave was also, you know, always wanted to put, I mean, just imagine where we'd be if Dave hadn't put those genetics into the world, that stable genetic that was actually properly bred with proper numbers, done the whole proper way, you know, I'm not sure a lot of the companies that exist today would be able to exist.

20:51BubblemanI don't know if cannabis would just cross amazingly without Dave's genetics infused into the gene pool. You know, he kind of created these like incredibly stable genetics and then put them out into the world. When I first went to Amsterdam, other than the haze, I don't think there was a cultivar on a menu that didn't have skunk in it. It was just everything was skunk. Skunk skunk.

21:18BubblemanAnd this was in 95. So, you know, mid 90s, a lot of skunk, not roadkill skunk. This was the sweet, fruity skunk. And you could just buy it everywhere. And it was an interesting situation because everyone from North America was looking for roadkill skunk when they'd see that on the menu. But then you'd get this real fruity kind of like, you know, Uplifting, tasty skunk. So it was, yeah, obviously we pay homage all the time to Dave.

21:48BubblemanAt the same time, you know, I don't have a deep enough understanding. I see people crossing really nice things. I see Masonic doing all sorts of wonderful work, getting it out into the world. So who's to say what's right and what's wrong? I just, I appreciate the variety and the novelty. Welcome Dr. Mark and Craig from Alpenglow who just popped on in.

22:14DrHey everybody. Oh, and he's in the garden.

22:18BubblemanHow you doing Dr. Mark? You look like you just like, you're ready to like go party with fish, man.

22:24DrI just got back. I just got back from Puerto Rico. I was down there.

22:27BubblemanDude, you've got that vibe. You've got a kind of like, I was just on an island vibe.

22:33DrI was.

22:34BubblemanYeah, I was. Infused. Very nice. How was Puerto Rico?

22:39DrIt was great. You know, this was CanMed 2025. You know, the McKernan's and Medicinal Genomics holds this Thank you so much for joining us.

23:03DrBonnie Goldstein had a last minute emergency, so she didn't attend, but Dustin Sulak was there, and I'm sure he's well known to our audiences as the healer from up here in Maine, just right up the road here in New England. Dustin is just an amazing, amazing guy. You know, he has, uh, case histories with, uh, patients that have used cannabis that have gotten out of, uh, gotten off of, uh, traditional pharmaceuticals and, um, just a wealth of knowledge.

23:41DrHe has a, a product line called the healer so that he was, uh, giving out some free gummies. He showed some really interesting data, Marcus, on CBG and what CBG is now doing. And again, speaks to those states who've banned, you know, all hemp-derived cannabinoids, you know, CBG. Thank you for joining us today.

24:28DrYou know, again, these things are available in the cannabis plant. I think most of the CBC that's out there today is synthetic, but he showed some really, you know, tremendous data against a couple different cancers, including pancreatic cancer. So, you know, this plant just keeps giving, Marcus. There's just... New discoveries made every day. And, you know, I don't know if everyone saw this, but it was in the popular press a week or so ago and it talked about Thank you for joining us.

25:24DrThank you for joining us.

25:42DrYou know, the popular press twist this into, oh, if you consume cannabis, you're going to die of a heart attack.

25:48BubblemanWas the test done in the country that has the highest rate of heart disease on the planet? Because that would probably affect things, no?

25:56DrWell, yeah, Marcus, there's so many different things that affect your health and particular, you know, risk towards heart disease. You know, a lot of it is lifestyle. Sure. You know, I talked a little bit to some doctors about, you know, again, there's this trend to put everything into a gummy when fact is that gummies is loaded with sugar. You know, it's kind of like candy. I think for more medicinal applications, I think doctors prefer things like tinctures for oral delivery.

26:34DrYou know, if you go back to Chinese medicine, hey, Caleb, right? There's no gummies in Chinese medicine, right? It is all based on extracts and tinctures and mixtures thereof.

26:49DrStacy Gruber, who's at Harvard, was talking about some of the work that she was doing. And, you know, it's just amazing, you know, like, like even in a place, so she's associated with McLean Hospital, which is part of the Harvard Medical School. And even in a place like Harvard, you got to think that like Harvard Medical, how many doctors does it put out, you know, and still even like with Stacy there, you Very few medical schools teach about the endocannabinoid system.

27:20DrIt's like less than 8% educate their medical professionals on the existence of the endocannabinoid system and how important it is in regulating Thank you for joining us.

27:50DrPrescribe their FDA approved pharmaceuticals. And, you know, most cases, you know, I don't think doctors even think cannabis is even a serious medicine. So I think, you know, conferences like CanMed hopefully get that message across to The medical professionals. And I did meet a couple new doctors who are just getting in, you know, and need to go to these conferences and need to understand all the applications.

28:19DrSo it's good to see kind of like some new doctors coming in. But ultimately, again, like most doctors, at least, you know, in our modern medicine would prescribe pharmaceuticals over, you know, cannabis.

28:34BubblemanAwesome. I had his hand up.

28:37Etienne FontanYeah, I had a question for you, Dr. Mark. So you were talking about the causality specifically, right? That they were putting between the heart because people were asking me specifically.

28:46DrCan you correct me?

28:48Etienne FontanBasically, all they did was they looked at deceased people and they looked if they had THC in their system and then they were like, oh, they had this. So specifically, it went there. That was my question to you. And then the other thing was specifically around, you know, new training specifically for doctors. And one of the things my group, Veterans Action Council, we just did a series of FOIA requests.

29:12Etienne FontanAnd uncovered, of course, all kinds of data regarding cannabis, which I need to share with you, Dr. Sheldon. Yeah, I'd be very interested. We did a data dump, and it includes all kinds of very interesting dumps, including studies around CUD, because specifically, we major veteran VSOs met, and one of the main things that we're going after doctors specifically on is this cannabis use disorder, because cannabis use disorder Does not appear until DSM-5.

29:46Etienne FontanAnd one of the things we uncovered was they basically combined out of DSM-4 into DSM-5 and then cannabis use disorder finally appears in 2013. But we're uncovering studies that, you know, you know, CUD concern from 2005 to 2019 studies. Well, you know, it wasn't coined until 2013. So we're finding all kinds of flawed studies specifically that Are having, you know, issues, but also exposing the misinformation and how they're slamming these data points, specifically, as you saw this past week and a half, right, Dr. Sheldon?

30:31Etienne FontanHow many of these articles are popping up specifically, you know, going after, you know, you know, specifically cannabis in the heart? And can you explain that to people what that causality specifically means? Because it's another thing to understand it scientifically.

30:49DrYeah, so, so, so this study, I think ATN involved interviewing patients that were already, you know, suffering or had some form of heart disease. And I think they were asked whether they were cannabis users, right? So, so there, what you're doing is you're just connecting a sub demographic of that population to cannabis use. So that doesn't mean that like, you know, I guess what you're referring to is when you say causality is to make sure that, you know, what the study actually shows is that, say, consumers of cannabis specifically are doing things to their bodies when they consume cannabis that is resulting in a higher risk towards heart disease.

31:38DrI think like if if you think, you know, just again about the lifestyle itself or just, you know, go back to the example I just brought up, which was gummy, you know, the last thing. And Marcus, we've talked about this, right? I mean, how toxic is sugar in our diet and processed foods in our diet? Oh, okay. Now, so we're going to put cannabinoids into processed foods.

32:02DrI mean, I'm as guilty as the next guy. I love a good gummy. I make gummies myself and I know how much sugar goes into that recipe. And people love gummies, right? People, I mean, I guess people are eating gummies anyway, like they'll get high and then they'll want to eat some sugar, right? You're not necessarily feeding that Jones, you're just, you know, whatever, I mean. I look at it this way that any form of cannabis is good.

32:32DrI don't know if you're talking about, again, whether or not they've actually biochemically have identified that You know, say consuming THC leads to this downstream effect, which causes hardening of the arteries, which makes you more highly prone to heart disease. They didn't do that, right? So there's no this causes this, which then causes this, which gives you a higher propensity of that, right? So it's more of like a kind of like looking at the data and looking at patient demographic around cannabis use.

33:08DrThe other thing I wanted to just mention about cannabis use disorder that you were talking about, You know, I think people or on the drug addiction and abuse side, I think what they like to do is they like to, you know, like when they have a patient come into their clinic who is maybe, you know, maybe somebody who's just very prone to addiction, who has an addictive personality.

33:32DrThere's a connection between your endocannabinoid system and what's called a dopaminergic system that's in your brain. And that's the system that releases dopamine. Dopamine is the reward molecule, right? So when you feel happy, like you're, you know, Second grader shows you a straight A report card or something like that. And you naturally feel how your body is releasing dopamine, right? So when you feel good, you release dopamine.

34:05DrWhen most addictions, including nicotine, narcotics like cocaine and other things like that, it's definitely connected to that reward system. So when you're addicted to nicotine, your body craves it because your body needs to have that reward constantly, right? And so those connections are known and direct. Taking that to making you prone to heart disease, what kind of downstream effect could there be? And could it be, okay, you smoke cannabis, you get into a certain state of bliss or whatever, or you're using cannabis.

34:47DrDoes that make you more prone to, I don't know, eat an entire bag of potato chips? As opposed to just like a smaller portion, or are you going to order two Big Macs now because you're super fucking high? You know, it's like, so there might be things that underpin the lifestyle that could be related, but not, not the direct cause biochemically of what's happening in your body.

35:14DrATN, is that kind of like what you were thinking, what you were going after? Like,

35:18Etienne FontanI just wanted you to explain it for the hash people folks so that they could, you know, sometimes we have to, when it comes to science, we have to necessarily dumb it down, but explain it in a way that people can get it because the articles say one thing, but then to actually deduce it and talk to a doctor who understands how it's actually displayed is something that the media doesn't teach or the critical thinking has been lost along the way.

35:43Etienne FontanSo. Thank you for explaining that in a way that, you know, I hope that the Hatch Church audience gets it.

35:51BubblemanI would add to the audience what Dr. Mark said is that Gummies don't have to have sugar in them. You don't have to support a shitty business like McDonald's and buy low quality caliber food. You can make conscious decisions to eat consciously. And cannabis can teach you about that. Because if you've gone down this cannabis pathway and you're like learning about organics and living soil and regenerative farming and this sort of conscious...

36:18BubblemanThank you for joining us today.

36:35BubblemanMaybe eat one, right? We know that in a McDonald's cheeseburger, a Big Mac, there's about 500 different cows that genetically are in that burger because the vats that they mix these animals in are beyond massive. So there's ways to consciously, well, just like look at Craig right now, consciously farming. In a beautiful outdoor organic farm setting, he could just as easily go grow avid, rich avocados in the Salinas Valley.

37:08BubblemanHe could do a whole variety of other things to feed his family, but he's making a conscious decision to be like, okay, you know what? Your decisions affect the world, whether you think they don't or not. And your simple decisions can decide everything. You know that sort of pathway and I really learned about this when I kind of went from an all meat diet to a vegetarian diet and you know at a time where I didn't really understand even that a vegetarian diet was a thing.

37:39BubblemanI was just a meat and potatoes guy. You know, grew up eating meat and potatoes, but always felt sick. And when I met my buddy Martin from Manitoba Harvest, he turned me on to this sort of different diet of eating. And I was like, oh, okay. So there's lots of different options. There's lots of different diets. Yesterday I was on a farm. There were emus, there were goats, there were turkeys, there were geese, there were ducks.

38:02BubblemanThey had silky chickens. They had all different kinds of chickens. They had... Yeah, they just had a really beautiful thing. They had duck eggs and chicken eggs and they were something they had pigs. So they had, you know, all these different things that they made available. And my buddy was like, these guys have the best chickens on the island. They're free range. They're happy. They're running around this big acreage.

38:22BubblemanHe had five acres just in the back, back of his property of just blueberries. And these blueberries had been planted in 1970 and he had never sprayed a chemical anywhere near them. Like it was just... You could just feel the healthiness of this farm and all of these personalities just wandering and meandering around. I urge you, go visit a farm. Go make a relationship with a farmer.

38:49BubblemanGo to a farmer's market because I'll tell you, getting high, And eating like organic vegetables and fruit to me is much better than going and getting two Big Macs at McDonald's. And the way you feel afterwards is spectacular.

39:07DrYeah, Marcus, you know, in agricultural based economies, I think it's really important for you to know where your food comes from. And you bring up such a great point because like an agricultural state like where I live here in Vermont, I know that my local butcher gets all of his meat, both his pork and his beef from a local farm. And these are industrial farms. These are local organic farm.

39:33DrYou're going to pay a little bit more in that store. And again, maybe that's where the price pressure is really on the consumers. Thank you so much for joining us.

40:04BubblemanIt doesn't have to be like some raw organic vegan diet. It just has to have some level of consciousness to it where we're like, well, here's a perfect example. Steven Philpott Jr. just popped in. We did the sports medicine episode with Steven. When the Olympics came to Vancouver, guess who the sponsored restaurant was at the Olympic Village in Vancouver? Whistler BC in 2010. Do you want to know who the sponsored restaurant was?

40:34BubblemanIt was fucking McDonald's. Who the fuck in their right mind is eating McDonald's before competing for an Olympic gold medal? It was just this weird disconnect, lie. And then they'd have the athletes like, Holding the cheeseburger like, I love me some McDonald's. And then, you know, because they're all walking around Whistler, they're like, I would never eat that. I would never put that into my body. You couldn't find a lower caliber of food to put into your body.

41:05BubblemanAnd, you know, as Stephen knows, Athletes tend to go down this rabbit hole of consciousness, you know, very similar, same, same, but different, if you will, than what Craig is doing at his farm, because athletes become, they start realizing like, wow, what I put in my body affects everything. It affects my consciousness. It affects my ability to execute. It affects, it just makes me not quite as good of a person.

41:33BubblemanCraig's had his hand up for a second, so let's shoot over to him. Go ahead, Craig.

41:38SpeakerYeah, I had a little technical difficulty for a minute, but yeah, I just wanted to loop back around. I want to touch on something Dr. Mark said, but yeah, what sparked my comment again was about conscious decisions on what you eat and what you put in your body and how you even purchase your meat. Here in Humboldt County, I don't know if you all know, but we have an amazing winter where we get 100 inches of rain and our grass grows green.

42:03SpeakerAnd our local farmers literally in our valley here harvest their beef in the spring when the seed heads hit the tall grass. And we get one cow a year that we share with a neighbor. And we just put that in our freezer and that's about 350 pounds of beef. And like you're saying, Marcus, one cow a year. One burger, like it's all amazing. And our entire family, even our dogs appreciate all that.

42:31SpeakerWe get the bones and we utilize it all the way through. But back to what Dr. Mark was talking about, you know, maybe you could answer this for me. And that is, When you eat a gummy, doesn't it go through your liver versus sublingual digestion bypasses that and it's a much more rapid effect and goes through a different part of your body and maybe even goes to your brain quicker?

42:56SpeakerCould you highlight that a little bit, Dr. Mark? Yeah, sure.

43:00DrYeah, Craig, thank you. Love your scenery too. I'd love to be sitting right next to you. So if you keep it in your mouth like a cough drop and you don't actually, you know, some gummies are so delicious you just want to chew it and eat it and press it against the roof of your mouth. But if you, you know, you keep it in your mouth like a cough drop without ever Bill Benson, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD, MD,

43:42DrPro cannabis doctor there. I asked her specifically about this. I said, well, you know, gummies, you know, is this like, you know, two steps forward, three steps back, especially for like someone who's diabetic, you know, you obviously have Other ways of introducing medicine to patients. I think what she said is that she prefers MCT tincture. You know, a tincture, at least classically to a chemist, a tincture isn't just Thank you for joining us.

44:36DrThank you for watching.

44:54DrThank you for watching.

45:19DrEthanol's polarity, ethanol will start, you know, extracting pigment and sugar and start getting all kinds of stuff from the plant that you may not want. Certainly in a vaporizable extract. But if you're trying to get the whole plant goodness, including the pigments, including the fats and the ketones and the waxes, then yeah, an ethanol extract works pretty good. I've known people who've been doing ethanol extract. In fact, I think Dustin Sulak, the healer, uses a cold ethanol extraction.

45:51DrI talked to Dustin quite a bit because Dustin's got a pretty big influence Up here in the Northeast, known as the healer. And I think other doctors rely on him and some of his case histories to set dosing limits, especially on medicine intended for children. But yeah, I mean, just to go back to your question, Craig, it's really important if you're taking it medicinally, because if you eat like a gummy, like you really just like you would eat a normal gummy, you may not feel the effects.

46:25DrAnd you'll want to take another gummy and you won't take another one. And then pretty soon, what happens is that that does get digested in the stomach. In the stomach, it then goes into the liver before it gets into the bloodstream. Liver is a highly oxidizing environment where about 50% of the THC will oxidize to 11 hydroxy THC. 11-hydroxy is actually a better binder at CB1 receptor than THC itself.

46:55DrSo that's why you get that delayed onset of activity when you consume an edible and it's not going through the sublingual oral mucosa, which is also very rich with capillaries. And it's in the neighborhood of your brain, right? So you'll actually feel the psychoactive effect. And I also, I met, and this guy is wonderful. Oh, Marcus, we got to get this guy on Hash Church. Harold Hahn from Virtosa.

47:26DrHe's called the happy chemist. He's kind of like the nano emulsion chemist that has led to Virtosa being one of the lead suppliers of nano emulsions for this growing sector of beverages. Marcus, he's a trip, man. He's just, he's funny guy. He's really, he's just a hat. He's the happy chemist, just like he advertises himself on LinkedIn, full of a lot of great knowledge. And he gave a really great talk on cannabis based beverages.

47:54DrBut where I was going with this, Craig, is that when you nano emulsify, so if you, if you just, so we all know that, you know, cannabinoids aren't water soluble, right? So you can't just Put it into a drink so you have to emulsify those and when you emulsify those and now you put that nano emulsion into a gummy this is the so-called fast onset Uh, a fact that you're seeing and some gummies will advertise for it.

48:23DrI know Mike Hennessy was from Juana was also there and we talked a little bit about this fast acting effect. So what they're, what they're seeing with this fast acting effect is that when you use a nano emulsion. Which just to kind of describe that. So we've talked about this bunch on Ash Church. So nano emulsions like milk, right? Emulsified fat and continuous wear of water. Well, when you add that into your gummy cook, your gummy cook is above the boiling point of water.

48:52DrSo you end up removing all that water. And if you think about the nano emulsion itself, it's defined by the size of the oil droplet with all the emulsifier around it. So that's the nano droplet and everything else around that emulsifier is water, right? So you have this continuous phase of water and this emulsified droplet in there. Well, when you boil off the water in the gummy cook, What replaces the water?

49:39DrThank you for watching.

50:02DrParticle, if you will, made of when I say nanoparticle, it's not like minerals or, you know, shit you have to worry about. I mean, they're not nanoparticles like little nanobots or something. It's just an oil droplet that's nano sized, right? That's all it is. We'll use MCT or sunflower oil. And now that's completely been replaced in this continuous phase of water, which is what it is in the emulsion with sugar.

50:31DrAnd I think there's something really to that because even myself, I'm THC user, but when I take like a 10 or 5 milligram gummy, That's fast acting. I can feel it. So there really is something to that fast acting thing. And I think what that, what that also plays to is how rich the oral mucosa is with capillaries that are basically feeding the rest of your, you know, blood supply in the neighborhood of your brain.

51:00DrSo if those particles are released into, into those arteries, now it gets in your, you feel it, right? Makes sense, right? I don't know if that was probably way more than you wanted to know, right? No, no, no.

51:14BubblemanColin's perfect. Colin's, oh, sorry, go, Craig, you go ahead.

51:17SpeakerYeah, no, I was going to say, that was fantastic. And one little tidbit I'd leave on the way out here is I remember when Frenchy was visiting and we had this similar conversation about gummies and hash. And he literally, one of his protocols was to roll up a tic-tac size of hash and just pop it in his mouth. And he was like, I don't need the other parts.

51:40SpeakerLike I got it right here. So I've done that before, like in our, in our trimming room. I'll go up to our, our, our trim bag and I'll just come up the side of it and roll up this beautiful blonde Tic Tac and pop it in and do my own little effect process there. But yeah, thanks for all that, Dr. Mark. I really appreciate it. You know, it's like, We always talk about gummies and like you're saying, like a lot of people chew them up and eat them where it's the better effect is to suck them down and let them digest and dissolve in the mouth.

52:14DrYeah, like a lozenge.

52:15SpeakerThat's a great analogy.

52:17DrYeah, like a piece of sour candy or something.

52:20SpeakerYeah, and knowing the difference now, you could probably even go, hey, I'm going to be on a 12-hour flight. I'm going to eat one and lozenge one. And I have like the timed release.

52:33DrYeah, get both effects. Why not, man? If you want to go large, go, you know, go large, you go home.

52:39SpeakerYes.

52:42BubblemanPaul, and you had your hand up.

52:44Collin PalmerYeah, I was I was trying to riff with Mark on the gummy stuff earlier. But, you know, I I was tasked with the quest of creating gummies for Pax Labs. I spent two years studying it. I went across the country, bought as much as I could, started analyzing it. Worked with the chemistry team at PAX, brought in some food scientists. We ended up making a gummy only using fruit juice and purees.

53:12Collin PalmerAnd the reason is because of exactly what you just said. You come in for wellness and you leave with candy. And I think those of you that are out there making gummies, Go make purees. Do not at all ever use white sugar. There's no reason to use it. It's just factually not necessary. I mean, you can if you think it's easy for you, but you don't need to at all.

53:38Collin PalmerAnd in terms of flavor science, I would argue you can make a better profile not using it. You know, and there's monk fruit. There's coconut sugars. There's a million ways to get there. Organic brown rice syrup. Literally living proof of it. And go taste those gummies. They are bangers. They taste insanely good and they deliver on point every single time. They are from a delivery point of view, like Mark's talking about, they're nano.

54:07Collin PalmerThey have the ability to do wonders for you from a therapeutic point of view. So there are gummies out there that have, you know, some people have put the time in and I've done it and it's commercially available. And there's companies like Pax that have believed in that. You know, it's very rare, but they believe in wellness. They believe in good ingredient inputs. And that's, you know.

54:30Collin PalmerWhen they're not selling Jules products.

54:32SpeakerYeah, well, they're not, they think they're done with that.

54:35Collin PalmerThey're fundamentally a very different company now, but I think they, they learned a lot, I think. I think they've had a lot of self-reflection. They've, they've gotten beat up, you know, I mean. But they, you know, I just encourage those out there to look around you and embrace the ingredients that are readily available. And just because you got that white sugar on the shelf doesn't mean you go after it.

54:58Collin PalmerYou know, it's something you can definitely just shoot. Go buy a watermelon, puree that up. Make yourself some watermelon gummies. Most delicious thing you'll ever do in your life. You know, it really is. It's fantastic. It's amazing.

55:12DrSo, yeah, but I want I want to draw a distinction. So a gummy is a candy. A candy is molten sugar. You know, you can use different molten sugars. But what really cheeses me off and I've seen this a lot on the Internet is where people will just make medicated jello. OK, medicated jello is not a candy, right? It's just medicated jello. It's exactly what it is.

55:38DrAnd if you go to several websites that tell you, they'll show you pictures of gummy bears and show you, you know, little Harborough little gummies and all this kind of thing. Ultimately, that is a candy, right? Is there really no replacing molten sugar? You know, you have a great point of where you derive that sugar could be more healthier, I guess, in terms of sugar. But sugar is sucrose, man.

56:04DrThat's what it is, right? You could get it from honey. You could get it from monk fruit. You could get it from other places. But ultimately, a gummy is candy and not medicated jello. The problem with medicated Jell-O is Jell-O is actually super interesting, right? It's, it's gelatin. If you know where gelatin comes from, Marcus comes from the hooves of animals, right? So, so gelatin is kind of like keratin, which is what your fingernails are made of.

56:33DrIt's very, very kind of interesting biopolymer, but ultimately Jell-O is mostly water, right? And so when you put that stuff in mostly water, the water activity is so damn high that unless you refrigerate Jell-O, Jell-O will go moldy on the counter after only like about 24 hours here in the Northeast. It's because mold spores are everywhere. Aspergillus eats that stuff like there's no tomorrow. So if you have to refrigerate your gummies, you don't have gummies at all.

57:03DrYou have medicated Jell-O, period, end of story. There's a lot of recipes up there that just says, oh yeah, take your cannabis weed oil, add it to gelatin, add water, and you got a gummy. Bullshit. Bob's your uncle.

57:17BubblemanBob's your uncle.

57:19Etienne FontanThat's why.

57:19BubblemanYeah, you can use pectin as well. That's right. I will say this.

57:26BubblemanThe sugariest, most garbage ingredients that you could possibly make a gummy out of would still be healthier than the food they serve at hospitals worldwide. So just think about that for a second when you've got your medical doctors telling you, you can't eat that sugar, but you should get some of our wonderful food down at the cafeteria here at the hospital. It's been known to keep people here for months longer than they need to be here.

57:52Collin PalmerAs I, as I think of, of the can, right? Of patient number one.

57:58BubblemanThe can. That's awesome.

58:01DrI mean, just in terms of the whole gummy candy thing, I mean, The consumers today love fucking candy, right? I mean, there's just, there's no question about it. You're supposed to eat it. Gummy worms, all those things. Like my kids, my kids' generation, they love it. If it's brightly packaged and has artificial dyes in it and artificial flavors in it, they fucking love it. So, I mean, I think there's a whole swath of the hemp derived, uh, Thank you for joining us today.

59:06DrThank you for watching.

59:24BubblemanAh, meat in the salad, a vegetarian's kryptonite. What's this? What's this in the salad? Yesterday I was offered a samosa by a friend. She had meat ones and beef, chicken, and vegetarian. I said, I'll grab a vegetarian one. And as I'm eating it, I said, you know, I'm always so careful with these. It's like, you'd be amazed at how often people mix up their samosas. And she's like, oh, my mom's been making them for 60 years.

59:50BubblemanShe's 84 years old. She's really good at it. Thank you for watching.

1:00:15BubblemanThat's different. It's weird when you don't eat that for like 35. I haven't eaten a chicken or a bird of any kind in over 35 years. It's been a while. I wanted to welcome Stephen to the room. I've tried a couple of times, but we're in an intense conversation. How's it going, dude? Long time no see.

1:00:33StephenHey, hey. Can you guys hear me okay? Absolutely. Yeah, no, I was just loving the conversation. I popped in at the right time, apparently. You guys kind of hit all of my topics that I like to talk about. I've just been over here the whole time you guys were talking, thinking about obesity and how it's directly related to the endocannabinoid system. So we don't realize how much of our habits are behavioral.

1:01:01StephenBut the same way you can sit there and just habitually eat gummies. A lot of us like we eat for stress response. We kind of eat even if we're just sitting still, you know, and that's very common here in the US. But all that appetite regulation, like it's based around your endocannabinoid system, kind of not signaling hunger signals properly. So it's super interesting that you all were talking about that.

1:01:24StephenBut yeah, great to see everybody.

1:01:29BubblemanYeah, you too, man. Absolutely. I did invite my friend Steve Henson. He's a PhD chemist who specializes in nano emulsification. He's been doing it for probably like 12 to 13 years now. He hasn't replied to me. I also invited my friend Dave from White Rabbit Gummies here in Canada. His company's kind of We've gone through some changes and this partner went their separate ways, but they had a really good food scientist who was just able to understand the synergistic effects of certain aromatic volatile profiles with certain flavor profiles, whether it's, you know, a maca banana or orange creamsicle or whatever it is.

1:02:14BubblemanYou can't just throw any aromatic profile into any flavor profile. It's just like anything. There's a sweet spot. And when you get it the right way, there's like a wow moment. And that was really kind of what it was like the first time I had... I had his gummies. They're really quite delicious. But yeah, what an interesting thing. Conversation right now. Everything is gummies. You know, soon people will be eating nothing but gummies.

1:02:43BubblemanIt seems like every mushroom is in a gummy. Canvas is in a gummy. I'm waiting for the 5-MeO DMT gummies. I'm sure they're coming. It's definitely a popular way to get shit into people's gullets. You know, everyone has a different diet, but everyone will smash, smash gummies. It's like, ah, might as well have a gummy. It's like 15, 30 milligrams, get it going on, start feeling pretty good about it.

1:03:12DrYeah, the vitamin supplement industry has taken advantage of this, right? You can get a lot of vitamins these days in gummy format. You know, if you need stool softener, those comes in gummies too. So yeah, I think you, yeah, you're absolutely right, Marcus. I mean, very, very popular format. Everyone seems to like them. And I think they even now have sugar-free gummies, but you got to ask yourself, man, if there's no sugar, the fuck is it made out of, right?

1:03:41BubblemanGo ahead, Steven.

1:03:45StephenSo like to you guys' point that you were making earlier, I always have the argument about the definition of a drug. You put something in your body, there's some type of like chemical, physiological, biological reaction. And I don't think we really think about how much we consume sugar and like what Dr. Mark was talking about. Whenever I think dopamine, I think sugar before I think any other drug.

1:04:07StephenBecause I mean, Snickers whole campaign is you're not yourself when you're hungry. You should go eat a Snicker bar. You know what I mean? So like same thing that we're talking about with these gummies. I think more of those based off health, I think they're like, oh yeah, people will pop a sweet sugary thing in the morning. If you say it's got Lion's Mane in it, people will just be like, yeah, I don't care where it came from, what the quality is, how it was extracted.

1:04:31StephenIt says Lion's Mane. It tastes like watermelon. I'll eat three every morning.

1:04:35BubblemanYou got to read the fine print where it says extra ingredient, the diabetes.

1:04:42StephenYeah, or even like natural flavors, like all these synthetic flavors and dyes. They're like the gummies, you know, it's so good for you. And then you turn it around and you're like, oh man, it's a lot of red 40 in here.

1:04:55BubblemanYeah, it's kind of crazy that that is still in existence, although I think they're kind of finally realizing and kind of getting rid of it. I'm pretty sure we got rid of it a long time ago in Canada, and they definitely got rid of it a long time ago in Europe, but I'm pretty sure you guys still might have it down there, which is so fucked up.

1:05:13BubblemanIt's totally unnecessary. It's alive and well. Yeah.

1:05:17DrWell, if it's not Red 40, they'll replace it with Red 41 or Red 58. Exactly. I mean, they have a whole, you know, treasure trove of things. But it was interesting. I was talking with a woman down in Puerto Rico when I was down there this week. And she was telling me about there's a pretty big illicit market down there, too. And illicit market for psilocybin. And I guess they busted, I don't know if it was a store or just, you know, some guy who was selling these things.

1:05:51DrThey were chocolate bars and they were advertised as having psilocybin and lion's mane and, you know, like kind of like nutritional mushrooms and stuff like that. You know, the only thing that they found in there was hemp derived D9. There's no mushrooms in there at all. It was just completely, you know, mislabeled and, you know, we'll just put a bunch of THC in there and the consumer won't know the difference.

1:06:18DrWhat the fuck, you know?

1:06:21BubblemanSounds about right. Sounds about right. I mean, you know what? It speaks volumes to the medicinal components of cannabis because I remember when people were using like naphtha to make Rick Simpson oil and that naphtha has lead and rust inhibitor in it that if you distill the naphtha and you remove the rust and lead inhibitor, it is absolutely toxic waste. It looks like mercury. Thank you for watching.

1:07:02BubblemanYeah, it's pretty insane. What I was going to say about that is people were still killing cancers with that shit. So here you are using a poison to extract cannabinoids to use as a medicine, which for sure you're concentrating into the cannabinoids. It speaks volumes to the medicinal world. potency and vigor of cannabis that people were still like you know putting this naphtha oil on their face and shrinking skin cancer out of existence and that's that's pretty incredible

1:07:39DrYeah, naphtha is just a term for just garbage that the refinery farts out during its processing of petroleum. And yeah, it's a dog's breakfast of shit. Like you say, it's got corrosion inhibitors, has high boilers in there. And then yeah, Rick's original video, he basically used that shit and then went into his garage and boiled it away in a crock pot, you know? I mean... Thank you for watching.

1:08:20BubblemanYeah, it's not it's not what you want. It's like a whole various list of hydrocarbons like paraffins and cycloparaffins and alkyl benzenes and just like that's what naphtha is.

1:08:32DrIt's just it's like it's a great solvent for cannabinoids, you know, but yeah, it's a terrible solvent to do extractions for medical products.

1:08:42BubblemanYeah, it's an interesting world we live in with cannabis being recreational and medical. It's very unique in the sense that there's nothing else really like it where you just have like gas station D8 available in vape pens over here. And then you have like, you know, GW Pharmaceutical pumping out Epidiolex all across the UK. Stephen's got his hand up. Go ahead.

1:09:07StephenI was going to say my argument, just because anytime you go in a policy meeting, if you say recreational or medical, it kind of puts you on like one side of this argument. I've learned that the wellness conversation is kind of like cutting through the middle of that because most people who are like regularly consuming There's some of them that are consuming medically, but the word recreational has like this bad connotation to it now from certain people's viewpoint.

1:09:35StephenI realize most people are consuming this like for wellness, whether it's anti-anxiety or something like that, that fits in the same class as like, The other supplements that you can buy at a wellness store, there's stuff in like any of the supplement shops in the US that will kill you if you consume too much of them, whether it's synthetic pre-workout or whether it's natural plants that you can get in a supplement store.

1:09:59StephenSo in my mind, cannabis fits right in the middle of this. It doesn't fit like medicine because I live in a state where there's no medical access. There's also no recreational access. So to me, I'm like, this fits as a wellness supplement. It fits more there than it does in either one of the like alcohol is I feel like recreational medicine. I feel like you either need a medical license or go to a doctor.

1:10:23StephenMost of us are actually doing wellness, in my opinion, just from my background.

1:10:30BubblemanYeah, that's a good way to put it for sure. There's definitely a... The medical recreational thing, you know, and the hemp thing, like what we had to do with cannabis to get it to be allowed was we had to separate it into components and we had to say, well, hemp is a distant cousin of marijuana. And that's how we got hemp grown in the ground. And then we're like, well, this is medical marijuana, not recreational marijuana.

1:10:56BubblemanThey're very, very different. It's like, yeah, the medical products are way more fucking expensive, less accessible, and, you know, so there's definitely a bit of a disconnect in this Industry, because of all of these divisions, it would be nice to, I like the idea of just calling it wellness. You know, that leads back to all cannabis use is medicinal. It's wellness. You're just, you know, bettering yourself.

1:11:25BubblemanAnd generally, if you're trying to do wellness, you're probably not trying to consume, you know, 600 grams of white sugar on a daily basis. The number of what the average, like, American, North American, whatever our continent here consumes on an annual basis of sugar is shocking. If you Google it, you won't even believe it. It's really, really shocking. It's in everything. It's in your ketchup. It's in all your condiments.

1:11:52BubblemanIt's in your bread. It's in... It's just literally in everything. So you got to be conscious and be aware of it and go support the people like Craig who are willing to, you know, just create. It's such a nice little business. The farm stand, you know, go support some people. They're they're flipping eggs. They're flipping whatever it is they're flipping. You know, you can go meet them.

1:12:12BubblemanGenerally, they'll invite you in and you can tour their farm, which is very like, hey, like, let me. Let me kind of, you know, proverbial see under the skirt and see what's going on here. What are the practices? How happy do the animals look? Go ahead, Craig.

1:12:28SpeakerYeah, to that point, we just had a yoga retreat group, a traveling yoga retreat come from Florida. And, you know, we did what we usually do. They come for the cannabis. We sneak in the cultivation practices and how we're healing the earth and And how we're growing all these other things in the same ecosystem. And we had so many aha moments where their eyes lit up. And, you know, we've done quite a few tours over the years.

1:12:58SpeakerAnd this was a really special one because when you think of yogis and practicing, people practicing yoga, They're really about health, wellness, and mindfulness for the most part. So when you're explaining some of these interactions between plant and humans and the earth and how it's all one symbiotic relationship, you have these minds that are ready to accept that information. And it was just really, really amazing. And we've You know, we definitely made some lifelong friends in a two-hour tour.

1:13:36SpeakerAnd the folks, our friends that put on the tour were so excited because their group went back to Florida and said, We can't wait to plan the next one and we're going to have even more focus because they did everything while they were here. You know, they they did definitely a yoga session every day, but then they went rafting and and ocean and tide pooling and all these other things.

1:13:58SpeakerBut the cannabis farm is definitely going to be more of a highlight for them in the future. So, yeah, as people learn What we're doing on farms like ours, whether you're growing cannabis or if any of you guys follow the No-Till Growers, Farmer Jesse YouTube and that whole group, you know, it's just amazing how this information is spreading around the world on so many different levels. And, you know, it gives me hope to know that we've made a change.

1:14:30SpeakerLike my children were some of the first Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:15:00BubblemanYeah, Stephen mentioned in chat, the one thing to avoid while you're going down the wellness path is the wellness leeches or parasites. Like anyone, any situation, there's always just going to be people that kind of like look at it as like a mark. No, I was just going to say, when I was in Illinois and we first went recreationally legal, people who don't know

1:15:46StephenThree of the largest MSOs in the world are all headquartered in downtown Chicago. So something that was super interesting is These companies that nobody had ever heard of before just showed up in a new state. The West Coast tried to warn us. We didn't listen. These big companies showed up and they would have these big, oh, we're going to do yoga. Yeah, somebody knows exactly what I'm talking about.

1:16:09StephenBut they would have these big, oh, you know, if you have a corporate job and you're stressed out, come to these yoga events and you'd find out that these companies were pushing Some crappy sugary products and kind of like trying to take over the wellness community when there's already local organizations that have actually been doing this kind of like more underground, not as comfortable speaking publicly about it.

1:16:32StephenBut now you have these beverages showing up. And to me, beverages seem to be the thing that's taken over. I don't really know for better or for worse, but I live in a state with no medical, no recreational But there's cannabis beverages everywhere. Everywhere. And they consider that wellness and it's going crazy. And that's why I'm just like, I think wellness is a nice middle ground, but you always have to be aware of like leeches.

1:16:57StephenWhatever you build, the leeches will come. That's kind of my like.

1:17:02DrSteven, in that market, would you say that there's a fair mix of like low calorie options like seltzers and like fruit waters as well as the, you know, sugary soda? So like, like, you know, some like, like Coca-Cola, I think has 39 grams of sugar in it.

1:17:24DrIn a 12, I mean, could you, I mean, for those hash makers in the audience, you know what 39, a pile of 39 grams looks like on the scale, right? So when you take a Coca-Cola and 39 grams, I mean, that's so much more than like, I put two teaspoons of sugar Thank you for watching.

1:18:04StephenSo I'll tell you, I think Texas and North Carolina are the two biggest states with this issue right now. Somebody just said it. And the reason is because they're marketing it as an alcohol alternative. If you see even the top beer companies are now like they've been anti-seltzer, but now they realize seltzers are where people are drinking. I would say it's 90% to 10%. You almost don't see any sugary beverages, juices.

1:18:30StephenOh, really? You can't really find those, but the seltzers are interesting because Breweries are huge in the South. And the local breweries all have a THC option at the very bottom. And it's usually named something weird. I have no clue what connections they're using, but I've been to concert halls, sporting events, like public sporting events where there's a THC seltzer. And I'm like, how in the hell does a state with no recreational and no medical have THC seltzer everywhere?

1:19:00StephenAnd it's because all they're saying is that it's an alcohol alternative. That's it.

1:19:05DrYeah, so the way that they're averting risk, legal risk there, Stephen, is the fact that in those, so if you have like a, if you have a 12 ounce beverage and it's a 10 milligram drink, if you do the math on that, what you'll find is that it's 0.0028 weight percent.

1:19:26DrSo it's two orders of magnitude below that legal definition of hemp. You know, we talked a little bit about this at CanMed. That 0.3%, you know, threshold for industrial hemp or marijuana or whatever was never meant to be extrapolated onto formulated products. It was always meant just solely for plant material to distinguish it in the field from, you know, cannabis. I mean, You know, we're aligned on this.

1:19:56DrTo me, it's all one plant. It's all one plant. This arbitrary line at 0.3% is just the legal definition of what they removed from the Controlled Dangerous Substance Act. But I think that's why it's such a good play for big beverages. They've already made the investment in the canning lines. They have the distribution networks. You know, like when you see these, these, these, um, These displays at Total Wine in Minnesota.

1:20:24DrI mean, it's just amazing to me. Colors and brands and just everything. But you know what? You're giving me some good news because what you're telling me is that, did I hear this right from you, Steven? 90% of that, of what I see at Total Wine is seltzers and not sugared sodas. Is that right?

1:20:44StephenYeah. Yeah. It's all, it's almost all, almost all Celsius. I mean, to me, I thought it was more of a price thing. I mean, I didn't, I didn't think they were doing it for health reasons. I just felt like carbonated water is, I mean, I got a thing in my house that can put carbon in water and we call it sparkling water. So. To me, that's why I'm just like, I don't necessarily know.

1:21:04StephenI'm sure these are out-of-state products that are coming in-state. I doubt that they're being produced. Right.

1:21:09DrWell, that's one of the reasons why this is such an easy play for Big Beverage, right? Because they've already got, again, the canning lines already paid for. This has been capital that they've already spent. To them, Harold's Nano Emulsion is just another ingredient. It's kind of like a flavor. And they're like, oh, we could open up this sector by putting 10 milligrams of THC in there. And you know that most of that THC is chemically derived Thank you for watching.

1:21:55DrI love beverages. I mean, I was really kind of skeptical about them at first. I mean, I didn't think that a heavy THC user like myself, it would move my THC needle at all. But I'm telling you, man, halfway through a 10 milligram seltzer, Stephen, I could feel it. I really do feel it. I think it has something to do with the nano emulsion. And, you know, I just think it's going to be a super popular category.

1:22:25DrI'm all about increasing access to patients. And I love the fact that like, if you go to a liquor store, Like if you're stocking up for a party and you want to buy beer and you want to buy some hard spirits and some alcohol and shit. Now I could buy THC drinks right underneath the same roof and provide my party guests with, you know, an alcohol-free option.

1:22:48DrAnd I like that it's seltzers. That's really good news because I had assumed when I looked at all those bright cans, I'm like, oh man, they're just sugaring up the population again here.

1:23:00Collin PalmerI'm a Lamar though, man. I'll tell you, like, I've been studying it for a minute and, you know, I just had a meeting with a distribution or a guy who's heavily involved in distribution and You know, the thing is, Mark, is like, you can distribute these things from states that don't even allow it in their C stores, right? And that's, that's the other thing, like in Mass, Massachusetts, there's a guy that takes over the whole East Coast, right?

1:23:23Collin PalmerAnd he's not even allowed to sell it in Mass, but he's got a warehouse full of these things. And, you know, I've tasted every, like, dude, I have hundreds and thousands of cans in my possession in my garage of just other brands. And There's a lot of junk, man. You know, there's like maybe I can count on my hand the ones that are like really like thoughtful and really smart with the ingredient list and how they're incorporating it.

1:23:47Collin PalmerAnd then on top of that, what's the function? Is it reishi? Is it shaga? Is it L-theanine? Like what is the what's the active, you know, in terms of these these other plant medicines? And there's, you know, there's again, on that side, there's a lot of junk, right? Because there's not a lot of great ways to put, say, let's a mushroom extract into a drink yet still.

1:24:11Collin PalmerThere's still a lot of learnings there from an extraction point of view. Most of this stuff, as you said earlier in the conversation, is mainly done into alcohols and then burned off. And that's really hard to formulate with, man. You can't make a great product that has, you know, byproduct constituents and parts per million. Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler

1:24:50Collin PalmerThat I've tried that I believe check the box as like truly organic or sustainably sourced and then is using mother liquor and not using some weird, you know, chemically diverged version of THC. And then on top of that has like a good branding and good name behind it. So it's it's really interesting from what I've seen. I think there's, you know. Thank you for watching.

1:25:24Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us today.

1:25:50DrLike four or five years ago, well, let's just say, to make a cannabis-based emulsion that was stable, that maintained its potency in the can, was still something that people needed to figure out. They needed to figure out how to do that with an emulsion that basically had little to no flavor at all. You could emulsify using things like polysorbates, which are synthetic, Thank you for joining us today.

1:26:42DrAnd there's a Zucca and there's a company called Source, spelled S-O-A-R-S-E or something like that. So those are basically the ingredient suppliers that are providing the things to the licensed folks who are making these things. The interesting thing about Stevens Market up in Minnesota is that, again, the level of the THC in there falls way below that of the legally defined version of hemp. So I think a lot of that stuff comes Thank you for joining us.

1:27:28DrYou could have a building, a factory, right? And at the front end of that factory, you're bringing in CBD to the building, right? Then you do a chemical conversion of CBD so that high THC input never leaves the building. And then while it's in the building, you nano emulsify it, right? You put it into your bright tank, you fill your cans. Now, what went into the building was legal CBD.

1:27:51DrWhat's going out of the building Thank you for joining us.

1:28:23DrRight. And really, how how do you compete with that? If you're like a license holder and trying to introduce a beverage, you almost certainly need to partner with someone who's already made that investment into that canning line. Right. So that means you have to partner with some other beverage company. Kind of person.

1:28:43Collin PalmerSo yeah, there's there's a company called Monarch that makes a great emulsion. I'd also recommend those out there to check out. Mark, I can get them to send you some. I've been talking to them. They want to deploy some stuff into New York. But yeah, there's there's a lot of options. And then there's some pharmaceutical companies out there that make compounds that are far outside of our industry that are I've come across that have are actually even better than all these, you know, guys that have been making emulsions for specifically our industry.

1:29:14Collin PalmerSo there's a lot of things we've yet to discover, I think, as I've kind of uncovered. And it feels it feels pretty interesting. But I always give it gives me pause with the HD nine. I'm not going to lie. You know, the HD nine definitely gives me pause. Stephen has his hand up. Go ahead, Stephen.

1:29:32StephenOh, all I was going to say is, you know...

1:29:37StephenThe one thing that I've seen from all of this, especially having worked like for MSO and kind of seeing how they were just focused on mass production. I met the CEO of the company whose dispensary I was managing and he was like, oh man, you're not going to be here long. And I was like, why? He was like, bro, this is retail. Like when you go to Target, you don't ask the person like, hey, which lotion has less, you know, pair of beans and synthetic ingredients?

1:30:02StephenLike the person at Target's like, I use that one. I don't know about the quality of every product that we have. And that was the CEO of a massive company telling me that that wasn't the focus of the company. However, I do think that this is where like true craft comes in. And I'm not even talking about craft cannabis. If you look at what we're talking about, we've talked about burgers today and we've talked about beer.

1:30:27StephenMass-produced beer and mass-produced burgers have been king. No competition they've been dominating until the last like 10, 15 years. You could take a shitty beer that you brewed, call it an IPA, All right, so we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

1:31:06StephenDo you understand that maybe you got something synthetic put inside of a seltzer versus me? The first time I had a solventless gummy, I remember just standing there. I didn't even want to chew it. I just like let it sit in my mouth and I was like, What are these other gummies that we've been eating in? Like this is hot dog water, you know what I mean?

1:31:24StephenCompared to like some locally brewed good shit. So in my opinion, I think that the same way craft beer and craft burgers are now having like a significant impact against like McDonald's and Burger King, I think that like people are gonna learn as these mass produced THC seltzers come out, they're then gonna start having questions like, ah, I heard that this isn't as good for me. Maybe it doesn't have as organic ingredients.

1:31:49StephenLet me learn about the process because most people see THC and they only really think about the molecule. They're not thinking about the process of a plant producing it. They're not thinking about possible synthetic conversions from CBD. They just hear THC and they're almost thinking about it like an alcohol percentage. That's why education is such a big deal because this is when you can educate on all the other things that go into growing a craft product.

1:32:12StephenVersus a beer company who jumped in the game and said, Hey, now we produce it too. So that's my like whole as this mass production increases, I do think people are having more questions about like what craft means and how to learn, like how to meet craft growers that still exist.

1:32:32StephenYeah, well said, Steven.

1:32:33BubblemanWell said, for sure. I'm just playing with my Valenvera's unit right now. So I've been analyzing and testing hashes while we're here on the... I have about 10 to test. The first one I tested came back at 62.9%, this little bubble hash right here. So... Definitely shining like diamonds. I was expecting it to be over 60%, but yeah, enjoying the conversation and just doing a little testing while I listen.

1:33:06BubblemanLovely.

1:33:11BubblemanYeah.

1:33:12DrMarcus, I need to get me one of those little meters.

1:33:15BubblemanYeah, I want to hook you up with these guys.

1:33:17DrYeah, absolutely. I'd be interested. I met a guy down at CanMed this time around named Jeff Ross. And I don't know if any of our listeners know about Jeff Ross. And you know him, Steve. What an interesting dude that guy is. Oh, my God. Not only an extremely colorful personality, but he dresses the part, too. He wears like psychedelic like pants. Tie dye shit and all kinds.

1:33:44DrWell, he's using one of those orange boxes, which I guess is a small little kind of like micro chromatograph.

1:33:53BubblemanOrange photon, I believe.

1:33:54StephenOrange photonics. I use that for my master's thesis. Yeah.

1:33:58BubblemanIt has a solution though, correct? Yeah. Yeah. No solutions for this thing. It's nice and easy. It's it's the thing. The thing I like about this is I could literally get like my 10 year old son to run these samples for me if I if I needed to, it kind of takes out that That, you know, I guess the complexity of even just something as simple as using a solution, but they definitely work.

1:34:25DrYeah, so if I had access to any one of those devices, either that one, Marcus, or the photonics, what I would do is I would set up a study on my HPLC and I would get like, I tried to do a correlation, right? And see like how well that works at low concentrations. And then I would actually intentionally make, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:35:07DrSomething at point two and point two eight and point three and point three one, you know, right at that at that, you know, legal boundary of what defines hemp and marijuana, at least in the United States. I mean, how accurate is it at that level? Is it super accurate?

1:35:27BubblemanI found it to be pretty accurate. I mean, for accuracy wise, obviously, the only way I can really test its accuracy is by validating COAs that already exist. So a lot of the stuff in Canada, what I notice in Canada, I feel like this thing's very accurate in regards to active moisture. Our active water, moisture content, cannabinoid content, the macro and micronutrients is a mind blower. The terpenes always seem to come in low.

1:35:57BubblemanAnd I was talking to a gentleman from Holland who has an EU GMP lab and he also uses one of these units. And he's, you know, he validated it. He's validating his nutrients with it. He's breeding with it. He's doing all these different things. And he told me about a week ago that he prefers it over his GMP lab, the time, the energy, the person that he has to have present to operate the equipment.

1:36:20BubblemanThis thing he could just hammer out hundreds and hundreds. So Terpenes seem to be coming in low when it's cannabis, like 1, 1.5%. Every company in Canada has between like 2.5 and 4% terpenes in their flower, which I just don't believe. I think it's a lab increase. I think the labs are padding the numbers for terpenes. And yeah, you see it all the time. You see, I mean, shit, I've got some bubble right here that says it's 9% terpenes and it has like, barely any smell at all like it's just not loud it's just not i mean this is the one that is saying nine percent terpenes it's just like uh it's mediocre at best it's not it's not very good i saw that test result i just had come back and it was actually lower and i knew there was like there was there i knew there was 10 at least 10 in there and it came back at eight

1:37:18Collin PalmerAnd it was just really interesting because- How did you know there was 10% in there? Because I put 10% in there by volume.

1:37:29DrOh, okay.

1:37:32StephenI think, Dr. Markle, when we used orange photonics, we actually did it compared to desktop HPLC. So we got to compare the portable lab versus a desktop HPLC. And I mean, not only was it spot on, it had less deviation, like from test to test.

1:37:52DrOkay. And are you able to discern different potencies of different cannabinoids at that same level? Or are you just talking about potency of THC level?

1:38:04BubblemanWe do cannabinoids, CBG, CBD, there's a whole variety of them. It's all just about putting in the models. So he's working with a bunch of labs right now, these guys. I definitely want to link them up with you. We're going to have them come on and do a show where we talk about this unit. And, you know, I'm sure they can probably get you a unit for a month or something to get you, you know, being...

1:38:27DrYeah, I mean, I would do like an academic study, Marcus, that we would just publish the results and if anything, you know, publicize the use of their instruments. So they'd probably really like that. But I guess what would be really useful, again, for the testing labs, especially if like you're going out, you know, if you think about it, like how intense is it to have like a testing lab where you have, you know, samples coming in, All the time, you're basically just trying to turn that crank as fast as you could turn it because the profitability of a testing lab is nowhere near like a producer.

1:39:09DrProducers, those businesses, if you run the business correctly, could easily be a 10 to 50 to $100 million business. With testing labs, you're lucky if that business reaches, I mean, they reach profitability But the fact is, is that their operational costs to maintain those instruments and to be able to grow with their market size severely impacts their ability to be profitable. And so one of the reasons why testing labs Thank you so much for joining us.

1:40:13DrThank you so much for joining us.

1:40:22DrThank you for joining us today.

1:40:48DrThe phenomena we've talked about here on Hash Church before, lab shopping, right? When you go into a market where there's hundreds of testing labs, well, maybe not hundreds, but maybe dozens of testing labs, right? You'll send out your samples to a number of those labs and some labs you might fail. I'm not saying you particularly, but a grower might fail for microbials. But in other labs, they don't fail for microbial.

1:41:13DrSo we're like, wow, let's go with that COA because that shows our stuff to be clean, even though we know our shit's not really clean. And what you also see, so I'm pointing to the presentation that Yasha Khan from MC Labs made at CanMed, and he shows there's a clear correlation between labs that are inflating THC numbers and passing Thank you for watching.

1:41:53DrIn a state where there's say like dozens of labs and some labs, what's come out to be is that the labs that are honest, that are honestly reporting THC levels and honest reporting that stuff are failing, those labs are going out of business because they're not getting the business from the growers from the labs that are passing and inflating THC numbers. It's crazy. Yeah, that's bad.

1:42:20BubblemanAnd it's also part of a market where, you know, here in Canada, really quite basically, if you have something under 20% THC, it's probably not going to be accepted into the market anywhere. And so this is a real, real, this is part of why the numbers, at least here in Canada, are, you know, somewhat corrupted. You know, I can't say that they all are, and I don't want to call out any labs in particular, but It's nice to have an accurate tool where I can test and, you know, THC wise, I'm like within like if someone says this is 40%, I'll get like between 38.5 and 39.5 will come out on the machine.

1:43:03BubblemanIt's very accurate when I'm testing against cannabinoids. It seems less accurate when I'm testing for terpenes. And now this unit, of course, only allows me to test All of these companies do terpenes with cannabis. For extracts, it just does cannabinoid content, mainly THC.

1:43:28BubblemanBut what a fun little unit.

1:43:33StephenOne of the issues is that people don't understand what type of machines are doing what type of test. So like what the states require for you to use is not the same as what Dr. Mark is saying. Like an academic study, most of these labs, if you look at the variation, like you couldn't publish a study saying who has the most accurate test. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:44:12StephenThere's also HPLC and GCMS. One is better for Terps. One is better for cannabinoids. Who's going to pay for both of those tests? Not most people. They only pay for one. So like these are things that we don't necessarily understand. When I ran the dispensary in Chicago, I woke up one morning and they had added an addendum to recreational and anything over 35% THC had an additional 20% sales tax.

1:44:38StephenSo there was stuff overnight that went from like $30 an eighth, which is, you know, still crazy. But it went to like 50 something dollars because that additional sale tax was based on 35% THC.

1:44:51BubblemanDid you say $30 an eighth was crazy?

1:44:55StephenAt the time, yeah.

1:44:56BubblemanYou're not from California, are you?

1:44:59StephenWell, that's the thing. Every state is a totally different market. Like there's no national market.

1:45:04BubblemanI was walked through Chris, who has student glass and he has a dispensary in LA. I was walked through his dispensary yesterday. My friend walked by. I said, oh, what's that in the cover there? Oh, this is the wizard trees. I'm like, oh, the wizard trees. I heard about that. Real nice packaging. 75 US dollars for an eighth.

1:45:28StephenYeah, and that's why the state of Illinois added a 20% sales tax and then started making the THC percentage the thing that people shop for. Because then you just get into a bidding war of, hey, you have the strongest THC percentage. That's how you get on the shelf. Well, then the state is on the other side saying the higher the THC, the more we're going to tax you.

1:45:48BubblemanHow funny. How funny is it going to be when cannabis comes out with all these flavors, but super low THC so people can smoke more and enjoy it more and have all the flavor profiles. And then we realize that that's how the most amount of cannabis will be sold with very, very low THC. I mean, I could only imagine how many CBD cigarettes Shanti Baba sells in Switzerland in the grocery stores.

1:46:16BubblemanPeople love to smoke. They love flavors. I talk to people all the time. They're like, man, if it was lower THC, I'd be able to smoke way more. But I smoke like half a joint. And I'm like, you know, there's an actual relationship with the rolling of the joint and the smoking or vaporizing or whatever it is that people quite enjoy. And I suspect, you know, that not everyone is Skunk Man Sam who could just smash like 75 dabs of ridiculousness.

1:46:42BubblemanHow cool would it be to have dabs that, you know, to turn people on to that don't destroy you? Go ahead, Etienne.

1:46:52Etienne FontanOh, I was just wanting to follow up on the tax thing because unfortunately this week in California, our taxes, we were hoping to stay at 15%, but apparently that failed somewhere along the way and we're about to be at 19%. I got the notification yesterday from the CDFEA saying, prepare your business for a up to 19% tax now. So unfortunately, Californians, our hard work failed. And yeah, we're about to catch up to you, Steve.

1:47:28BubblemanDamn, Gavin Newsome, eh? Go ahead, Colin, you got your hand up there.

1:47:34Collin PalmerWell, I was going to talk about the lab shopping thing. And if you send, I mean, we've done it. We've sent five samples to five different labs and we got five different results. And I think that's, you know, a case in point to your point, Steve. It's like, it's unfortunate, but there is no standard and there's no governing body that checks up upon anyone, you know, literally state by state, let alone across the United States.

1:48:03Collin PalmerSo there's no consistency when that happens, you know, so you're, you're totally right. And, you know, instrumentations like instruments, like some people like a Fender, some people want the Epiphone and, you know, they just provide different tonality. Right. And that's, that's, you know, that's just the truth of it. So, um, you know, it's, it's been a fascinating learning curve for us because, you know, we, uh, You know, we just see a lot, you know, and it's it's like it's tough to to trust one lab over another, you know, most of the time.

1:48:41Collin PalmerBut we need consistency because I don't have time to think about much else other than what I'm doing. You know, we're not a big, you know, well-oiled machine. You know, we need we need to focus on what we do in the lab and Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:49:11Collin PalmerReally think that they've done well. So, but yeah, I think you brought up a really awesome point is like that instrumentation is like such a difference, you know, really. And then are they plating for Aspergillus, right? You know, like that's one thing most labs don't even know how to do. So they're just failing you. They're just saying, oh, you failed. And then you're like, well, did you plate it?

1:49:35Collin PalmerNo, why would we need to do that? It's like, well, Do you want to see if it actually like grows?

1:49:41BubblemanJust for shits and giggles, Craig's got his hand up. I'd love to hear from him.

1:49:49SpeakerOh, you're muted. There we go. It takes me a minute with my phone. And I had a bee. I don't know if you guys saw me get super startled. I had a bee just chilling out on my toe and I'm highly allergic. So it looked like I got shocked by electricity. I didn't get stung, but I was like freaked out for a minute. But, you know, I don't want to shift the conversation, but I also want to highlight Caleb for a minute.

1:50:10SpeakerAnd I don't know if anyone has acknowledged this yet, but Caleb just graduated with what, your master's in something, something, cannabis, something, maybe? Like, could you give us a little, like, We need more of you. Like, you are out there. You are doing it. You're tasting. You're experiencing cannabis with the palate you're developing and the education you have. And that's amazing. Thank you, Craig. Yeah, it was a master's in public sociology.

1:50:43SpeakerAnd because there are some masters in cannabis out around the world. But unfortunately, even Humboldt doesn't have one yet. All they have is that bachelor's in cannabis studies. And so I was lucky enough in the two years I was there to get to work with some of those undergraduate students like 17 and 18 year olds that just come up to Humboldt from different parts of the state and even from out of the state specifically because they wanted to learn more about cannabis culture and obviously they were already cannabis culture initiates and like that's the part that I really like didn't anticipate when I went to school like to work with Dominic and like that's the part that's that's really been the most fulfilling you've seen that there are still the younger generation that still cares about the culture versus the industry and you know like some of those students were at your farm right and like like that type of thing being able to happen is like the best part of it to me Yeah, and one of the lecturers, Dan Marr, who's an amazing human, him and Jesse Dodd started like the regenerative certification and they held down at the Emerald Cup the regenerative awards.

1:51:59SpeakerAnd now Dan is, you know, has a lecturer's position and he's the one that initiated the tour here. And Dan even had a side hustle of helping us do this whole grant of getting all our buildings connected with rain catchment to our pond. And all of this other amazing, you know, ecosystem build out, um, for an infrastructure build out to be more regenerative. And then, yeah, like you're saying, like the demographic of, of kids to me, like my, my daughters, like their age, um, they were from all over and some of them have never like, again, It was, we're going to this farm to see cannabis, but then we snuck in our practices again.

1:52:40SpeakerAnd it was really amazing. And we had one moment I'll share, like where we always started our tours out here and we're out by that picnic table. And we're just having a moment talking about like Tawar and Appalachian and where our proximity is on the mountain. And an eagle just drifted by like at eye level. And everyone just went quiet. And I just said, and there's an eagle.

1:53:05SpeakerAnd they were just all like, oh. So it's just this amazing experience. You can see how much I enjoy connecting with people and doing these tours. And we don't have, we don't do formal tours. Like, I shouldn't say formal. We're not open for a weekly tour. It's like someone reaches out and they want to do some sort of private tour. We figure out just some sort of basic experience Uh, set up and, uh, we make it happen, you know, like a coffee and tea service with a cannabis store.

1:53:36SpeakerAnd it's, it's fun and good, amazing conversations come from long time friends down the road.

1:53:44BubblemanThere's something to be said for seeing an Eagle at like eye level fly by. I, you know, I live in the mountains. We see them all the time. Very rarely do I see one fly like almost never. In fact, one time I had a penthouse apartment in downtown Vancouver. And I was standing in front of the window with a buddy who had just come over to look out at the view of Stanley Park and an eagle flew by the 26th floor of this apartment.

1:54:12BubblemanAnd it was probably five or six feet outside of the glass. I could see this, the eye of the eagle, like I had never experienced Thank you so much for joining us.

1:54:38BubblemanYou know, ospreys, like any type of immaculate massive bird in the sky has always just got me giddy and excited. And it kind of reconnects to the fact that, you know, my buddy Martin, again, to kind of talk about You know, when I became vegetarian, I'll never forget being super high on mushrooms with this guy back in the day. And we were talking about animals and he's like, yeah, animals are amazing.

1:55:05BubblemanI was in Costa Rica and I was this, this and that. And he's talking about all these experiences and I'm talking about my experiences. And after about an hour, he's like, he's like, you really love animals, don't you? And I was like, I really do, man. I was like just high on mushrooms, super vulnerable, super just open. And he goes, then why do you eat them? And fuck, if that stuck with me, man, I could not escape it.

1:55:31BubblemanI couldn't. It wasn't like some weird like, oh, I'm a vegan and you should be a vegan. He just hit me with this psychology that I was just like, he's like, why would you support such a system? Like, I don't understand. Like, you love animals, but yet you support the torture and mass destruction of them. And I was just like. Fuck, you're right, dude. I like, I eat tons of fast food.

1:55:52BubblemanI eat like low quality meats from fucking low quality stores. Like I'm just a Winnipegger, you know, like I didn't grow up with cash or like a quality, experiencing quality food like that. And that stuck with me so hard that that was really the inspiration for me to become a vegetarian. Because I just felt like it was this weird. I mean, of course I have hypocrisy. We all do.

1:56:18BubblemanI could find hypocrisy in each and every one of you. There's no doubt about it. But when I experienced my own hypocrisy on that level and was unable to put it back in the box and hide it and just be like, Oh, I'll just go back to, to ignorance or whatever. Like ignorance is so lovely, right? Like never attribute to malice what you can attribute to ignorance.

1:56:38SpeakerWell,

1:56:39BubblemanOkay, yeah, that's true, but it doesn't mean you can't learn and better yourself. And keep in mind, I'm talking about my own personal experience. I'm not judging anyone for anything they're doing. I'm talking about my hypocrisy that I was experiencing. And I think it's unique for all of us to go through those experiences in our life, not to necessarily be like, You know, to be mentored, to be told something by someone that you look up to that you're going to hear, it's not about like critiquing people and judging people.

1:57:10BubblemanI'm sure there's that side of it if you're insecure or maybe a bit of a narcissist, but there's a level of of of Thank you so much for joining us.

1:57:44BubblemanLike five grams of dried mushrooms and sit in a dark room. We went to the school of Terrence McKenna back in the day, which is, let me tell you, that's an intense way to do psychedelics. It's quite the opposite of going to a string cheese incident concert and gobbling half a gram and smoking some hash with your buddies. Great experience, but that's not the experience I'm talking about.

1:58:05BubblemanGo eat five grams of mushrooms and come face to face with your hypocrisy and see where it leads you.

1:58:13SpeakerMarcus, you know, you know, String Cheese is playing at Canny Fest. You got to come to Humboldt County.

1:58:19BubblemanDude, I'm telling you. When is that? Is that in August or September?

1:58:23SpeakerIt's Labor Day weekend. So it's like first, second of September or it's the last two days of August, something like that. That's possible.

1:58:31BubblemanThat's possible. I'm telling you, I could have my my I have not with this. I haven't hung out with the String Cheese incident or all those people in so many years. That that would be pretty fun. I ended up backstage at my first string cheese incident concert back. God, it must have been the 90s. They were obviously not a huge popular band by any means, but really nice guy.

1:58:56BubblemanI think the guitarist, what's his last name? Like Hershey, Dave, is that sound familiar? He was a big hash smoker.

1:59:01DrHershey, Hershey, Hershey.

1:59:03BubblemanYeah, yeah. That guy, his wife hit me up and was like, hey, I heard you have hash. I heard you're like the hash man. And my husband loves hash. It's all he smokes. I'm like, He sounds like my people. Let's go meet. But a great experience, wonderful band, super fun group of individuals, the audience, the people I made, the friends that I made at those shows. I still talk to today.

1:59:27BubblemanSo really, really love those guys. I'll try my best to do that, Craig. That would be pretty awesome. Go down to the US and see the incident. The incidence of string and cheese. So I've just been doing these tests.

1:59:46DrDairy derived, isn't it, Marcus?

1:59:49BubblemanCheese is dairy derived, yes, but I'm not a vegan, Dr. Marv.

1:59:54DrSo Marcus, help us understand, like, when you're an omnivore, like, and you're super hungry, it seems like You kind of crave like animal derived protein. Like, you know, I know just for myself, I mean, I'm a meat eater. I, I love like when I, uh, you know, like maybe have fasted for, you know, I don't know, most of the day. And then you sit down at dinner and there's a big pork chop there in New York strip steak.

2:00:25DrYou know, it feels like you're, you're, you're satisfying your hunger. So as a vegetarian, Like when you have that moment of hunger, like what is it for you in your diet that gives you that real, true, full feeling of, you know, satisfied? I know certain people for its legumes, other people it's, you know, they eat a lot of tofu and soy, but what is it for you?

2:00:50BubblemanI mean, I'm a big fan of food. I'm lucky my wife makes delicious vegetarian and vegan food. So she does all these wonderful potato leek soups and, you know, broccoli, potato, broccoli leek. She does, you know, shepherd's pie, done vegetarian. We do all sorts of chilies. We do, obviously, I love Italian food, big fan of pasta. Big fan of pizza and lasagna and all of those things done vegetarian.

2:01:16BubblemanLove ethnic cuisine. I mean, these people have been making vegetarian food since the beginning of time. So Indian food, Vietnamese food, Thai food, just so many one. I mean, I live in it's it's I live in, you know, the dragon's tail. So we have an an We have an enormous amount of Asian people, every variety with all of their cuisines right here in Vancouver. And they are awesome, like really amazing ramen spots.

2:01:46BubblemanAnd just, you know, so for me, I'm not a huge giant. I do eat some fish. So, you know, like seafood, shellfish. Not all of it. Not all of it. And it's not like I have any, you know, particular, you know, I don't do oysters and I don't really do like clams and stuff like that. But I'll do some fish, you know, salmon and halibuts, sablefish. We have a really beautiful restaurant.

2:02:11BubblemanClose by called the Salmon House on the Hill that I brought my partners who were in from Colorado recently.

2:02:16DrWhen you consume fish, which is animal protein, do you have a different feeling of being satisfied and full?

2:02:24BubblemanNo, no, you have to keep in mind the animals got their protein from the stuff I'm eating. So they just are producing their protein from the same thing I'm eating. You can just get, you know, my son, who's a perfect person to ask this question to, he's six foot five and 250 pounds and he's a vegetarian. And so when he was like 160 pounds and had to gain 90 pounds, he did it all vegetarian.

2:02:49BubblemanHe eats an enormous, like any, and he has an incredibly healthy diet, much healthier than even my diet. He weighs all his food. He understands his caloric intake. Thank you for joining us today.

2:03:22BubblemanAnd the other, you know, about six months ago, I was like, oh, I got to buy some more plates. And I was like, well, for what? He's like, well, I just, I've maxed out the weights. I'm like, it's 375 pounds. He's like, yeah, I'm maxing it out. I was like, okay, that's psychotic. Like I'm lifting like 120 pounds and my son's just, you know, actively emasculating me.

2:03:45BubblemanSo no, I get, I get the same kind of feeling when you sit down to eat the steak and And the same way I was, you know, here's the thing. Once I became conscious of like, I don't want to support this system that slaughters animals and tortures them and whatnot, which isn't to say that there's free range and there's a whole system that you can support and still eat meat.

2:04:05BubblemanSo whenever I talk about the system that I don't want to support, it's like the lowest, worst system. Caliber of system in the meat world, you know, the Purina dog chow and like the hot dog industry and like all of that stuff, right? Like everyone, even people that eat meat can all agree that that's bunk on the highest order. And so, yeah, I feel pretty good when I eat a nice, you know, bowl of fruit or a, You know, maybe my wife made me a breakfast.

2:04:34BubblemanI'll have like some hash browns. I'll eat eggs, you know, so that definitely is producing, you know.

2:04:42DrWell, remember that lyric from My Sweet One, right? The fish song, My Sweet One. Herbivores ate more because their food did never run.

2:04:52BubblemanDid never run. Yeah. The herbivores ate more because their food did never run. Exactly.

2:04:57SpeakerIn your restaurant, shout out. In your restaurant, shout out. We've got to shout out. East is East. Didn't we all go there a few years back? In Vancouver, that place was amazing. Yeah, Vancouver we were at. We went.

2:05:12BubblemanIn Vancouver, which one was it?

2:05:14SpeakerEast was East? East is East or something like that? Or East is West? Or West is East?

2:05:19BubblemanI'm trying to remember what that is. Because there's one it's there's one that I'm thinking you're thinking of. Yeah, but I can't remember the name of it. But it's close to that. It was like a class. It was open till 4am. They had all vegetarian like the miso fries. Like, why can I not remember the name of it? Man, next time you come up to Vancouver, please.

2:05:39BubblemanOh, yeah, I mean, I cannot wait. The other thing I was going to say is, you know, when I learned to not have like when I learned to be a little bit more conscious about meat, then I went down the super deep rabbit hole of trying to be more conscious with with food. And that became even more difficult because if you're going to be like, oh, I don't want to eat meat because it's being tortured.

2:06:00BubblemanWell, then it's like, well, I don't want to eat like seed oils and all the different variations of corn extracts. And I don't want to You know, consume all of these dyes and it's, yeah, it's a daily experience. Your diet, you have to make these decisions every day. And luckily cannabis, funny enough, keeps me away from the temptation of bad food. Whereas most people will eat and then they just want to smash like terrible food.

2:06:25BubblemanIf I get high and, you know, I start getting the munchies, I'll just go eat something like delicious, like half a watermelon or something that's just like where I, where I feel good. After, and I feel good about myself. I'm not like, oh, I'm such a piece of shit. Like I just ate like a tub of Nutella with a spoon. Like why did I do that? I don't do that.

2:06:47BubblemanSo then I don't feel like a piece of shit. I feel like a piece of shit about different things that I do, but I'm working on those things. So one at a time, one at a time. Anyway. Conversation, guys. Appreciate the food and the diet. We talk about cannabis so much in regards to cannabis as a medicine. But my goodness, if you're using cannabis as a medicine, but actively poisoning yourself with your diet, like if you just like the easiest thing to do, in my opinion, to have a good diet is like stop drinking pop.

2:07:20BubblemanJust don't like cold turkey. Don't drink pop. That shit is so poison. Stephen's had his hand up for a while, actually. Yeah, go ahead, Stephen.

2:07:28StephenNo, please. Like, you know, this is my jam. You know, before I got into the what we call now cannabis industry, I was a strength conditioning coach. So hearing you talk about your son and counting his macros, What you originally said about your consumption of mushrooms and how it kind of had some effect on your perception, I very strongly believe that the consumption of mind-altering substances, it makes you question your conscious consumption.

2:07:55StephenIt makes you think about everything you put in your body. It makes you think about how much you eat, how many times you eat. It makes you question where that came from. It didn't come from the grocery store. It came from somewhere before the grocery store. It makes you like... Trace this whole parallel from why are you putting this food inside of your body to your point?

2:08:13StephenActually, right after the first time I ever did LSD, I went vegan for a year. Don't can't tell you why, but my stomach had a different desire of what it wanted. I didn't want to eat the same stuff that I had been eating before. And that made me question that whole unconscious eating. Like I was a strength coach. I thought that you needed steak. I thought that you needed whey protein.

2:08:37StephenYou know, I thought that there was a difference in a lot of these things. And it was like, no, it's really your your palate. It's what you're telling yourself. There's a joke of this bodybuilder online. He says, man, you ain't eating for it to taste good. You're eating to stay alive. Stop eating for stuff to taste good. And to Marcus's point, if I ever find myself with the munchies, I make an orange juice, lemon, turmeric, black pepper shot.

2:09:03StephenSo that whatever flavor or sugar or crap I was looking for, I just try to like brainwash myself out of it as a reaction. If I know I have the munchies and it's going to send me down a bad path, that's your chance to grab the trail mix. That's your chance to like consciously overthrow your own habitual just eating bad stuff. And I feel like only cannabis and shrooms really like give you that type of perspective.

2:09:28BubblemanI would add to that that if you're kind of craving sugary foods, especially at night, there's a high likeliness that you have parasites because they wake up at night, they sleep in the day, and they love sugar. They absolutely love sugar. And most of us have parasites on some level or another. It's not a scary thing, but it's definitely like a good thing. If you're looking into practicing wellness, like look into parasite cleanses, look into, and they're not easy to get rid of.

2:09:57BubblemanThere's a whole, you know, there's a book by Halda Clark. Many people call her a quack. But she has a book called Cure for All Diseases and Cure for All Cancers. And she gets really deep into the fluke worm and the cycle of parasites. And when you kill these worms, they kind of, they hold on for a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. And then just at the end, they just disperse this like explosion of eggs and viruses and just shit to weaken and beat you down so that you can get sick so that one of those eggs can form And grow into another worm.

2:10:33BubblemanAnd in Hulda's book, she kind of connects and correlates that these fluke worms cannot live in your organs until they have a certain level of saturation of solvent. And then she gets into why there's solvents in all the shampoos and all the everything you touch has a bloody solvent in it. And what does isopropanol do when you drop it on your hand? Does it puddle and sit in your hand?

2:10:57BubblemanNo, it doesn't. It like absorbs right into your skin and goes into your bloodstream. So just an interesting, you know, something to look at if you want to go down that rabbit hole. But a parasite cleanse is a big one. And yeah, you want to starve them. You don't want to feed them.

2:11:16StephenBut to Marcus's exact point, you have more bacterial DNA than you have human DNA. You have to realize that you're like, oh, I'm a human. Everything that's in your gut is actually having an effect on your behavior and your habits. So if you know at nighttime, what Mark had just said, hey, at nighttime, I get this craving for bad foods. You have to realize like you as a larger organizm, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:11:42StephenWe'll be right back.

2:12:11StephenAny of those cravings, you have to like consciously put a fucking stake in the ground and make like a conscious decision to not feed these little like organizms that live inside of you essentially. And if you starve them, you will find long-term benefits. Almost everybody does.

2:12:27BubblemanYou got to think of it like cordyceps, you know, that fungus that takes over the insect's mind and controls its body. There are things that live inside of us that do the very same thing. And parasites in particular will have you craving all of the wrong things.

2:12:48StephenAnd Dr. Mark, isn't all of this related to your endocannabinoid system?

2:12:52DrWell, yeah, I mean, indirectly, I mean, the endocannabinoid system is the body's own pharmaceutical company. It's the regulatory mechanism or regulatory system that's in place to basically regulate all other systems. You know, your nervous system, your circulatory system.

2:13:14DrJust about everything in your body. I wanted to just change gears just for a second because I was reminded about this Canadian group. Marcus came and gave a talk at TechCon and it was super, super interesting because what they did was they developed a... I'll read the title of his talk was Cannabis Effect... Research driven by EEG technology and machine learning. And what it was, was the presenter is a fellow by name of Israel Gasparan, who is an engineer from Toronto.

2:13:54DrAnd he's at a company called Zentrella. I'll spell that. Z-E-N-T-R-E-L-A. And what it was, was a brainwave EKG sensor that they would put on Thank you for joining us.

2:14:23DrAnd he looked at a bunch of different brainwave patterns of people who just recently used cannabis. And it was really super, super interesting, right? Because you can certainly see this correlation between the onset of getting high, you know, he measured it, he used a term called PEL, which I think is just some type of measure of psychoactivity. And what you could see is that, yeah, this psychoactivity curve would go up, And so he looked at a variety of different patients.

2:14:58DrIt was super cool. His presentation is just very inspiring on like comparing like cannabis that tested for 23% and cannabis that tested for like 15%. And what he found is that the cannabis that tested for 15%, guess what? They had a bigger PEL curve than the stuff that tested for 23%. So I think that's a very profound scientific example of it's not all about THC content, right?

2:15:31DrBut I think that the interesting aspect, maybe sociologically is the right term, is that can you use this brainwave device to assess impairment, either behind the wheel of a car or in the workplace? Thank you so much for joining us.

2:16:06DrIt's difficult to correlate blood level activity of cannabinoid metabolites to impairment. But what I saw very clearly here is that this machine, or I wouldn't say it's machine, it's basically a cap that you wear. So it's just like a, I know it's like a big,

2:16:51Drcontroversial subject in our industry like oh yeah if i smoke weed today i'll still have metabolites in my body tomorrow it won't impair my driving at all but if someone were to you know if i were in a court of law to basically produce you know blood test results they'll say oh it's above Thank you for joining us.

2:17:26DrThank you. Thank you.

2:17:45DrAaron Ward, Someone's blood and basically correlate impairment. But I believe that this kind of device could be used in the field, right? Because basically what they do is they're measuring your brain activity. And like it or not, I guess when you are stoned, you have delayed response time, which could Thank you for joining us.

2:18:29DrThank you for watching.

2:18:48DrSuper, super interesting use of AI in cannabis that could potentially, you know, solve this issue of is someone when they're behind the wheel or in a workplace operating dangerous equipment, you know, under the influence.

2:19:05BubblemanI would only add to that, and I've said this many times, is that one of the unique things about cannabis is when you get too stoned, you don't want to operate heavy machinery or drive a car. The opposite of alcohol, which you convince yourself that you're totally safe and then you go wipe out an entire family on the I-5, It's different than when you're too stoned and I've told this story before of getting this girl super high at my house and she left and I left about an hour later and got in my car and I drove up to the stop sign at the end of my block and I'm behind a car and I'm honking and it's cars not moving I get out and I go over to the car and I'm like what the fuck is your and I realize it's her and she's sitting there and she's just like she's like I'm too stoned to drive and I said oh well let's just park your car and you can come back in the house we can hang out with the fish tank and You know, and I was young when that happened, but I realized, like, what drunk person would have done that?

2:20:00BubblemanLike, there isn't a drunk person that exists on the planet that would do that. We've got Stephen, Etienne, and Colin, all with their hands up. We're going to do it in that order. Go ahead, Stephen.

2:20:11StephenYeah, Dr. Mark. So I actually love what you're saying. That's actually one of the things that I want to incorporate into my Ph.D. However, I also counter it with that brain activity in a specific region doesn't always one to one translate to what somebody is actually doing. So while different phases of The Hertz or the frequency of different brain waves will show you kind of like, is this person more alert?

2:20:41StephenIs this person more relaxed? That's really all you're getting. You're not really. So my counter to that is in my field, we have something called optimal levels of arousal and every single person has a different level of arousal. So where one person may have like crazy anxiety when they're sober and then they consume something and now they feel more calm. In order to do these type of studies, every person is essentially their own control.

2:21:08StephenSo you can't compare one person to any other person. It's like metabolism. So that's the only thing like you can compare somebody when they're completely sober to when they consume. But technically, every single individual on this planet has a different gene expression in their cannabinoid receptors, metabolism and all of that. So it's really different to correlate EEG one to one to somebody's status. And I'm saying that from the IRB perspective.

2:21:33StephenYeah, the IRBs are like, hey, can you say that this is a one-to-one? And it's like,

2:21:39Dr100%. Stephen, I think that, you know, this guy Israel who gave the talk, I think he's one of the principals at the company, like that founded that company. But I think he's recognized that. And I think that, again, one of the questions from the audience did address kind of like exactly what you're addressing. And even in terms of like a variety of different hair, hair configurations, like hair.

2:22:03StephenDarker hair color that's curlier, it doesn't work as well on hair.

2:22:07DrRight, that's right. And so what somebody who was very perceptive in the audience noticed is that when Israel showed the pictures of the subjects that were undergoing this measurement, they all had very short hair. They're all men and they all had very short hair. But I think the point that you're bringing up is exactly why he's using AI and trying to build AI databases With patients from different demographic.

2:22:39DrI'm saying exactly what you said, Steven, is exactly the reason why this application, in order for it to really be robust, has to use some type of AI or Thank you for watching.

2:23:12DrHe'll take like a given product and they'll take like five puffs from a vape pen. And that'll be standard across his entire control group. So everyone's taking five puffs. And now he looks at the brainwave of each one of those patients and says, ah, okay. And maybe it's the machine learning and the AI that helps him kind of normalize that data into something that could be a little bit more general.

2:23:40DrI totally agree with what you're saying. And I think that this is, again, part of the just beginning of how you're going to use AI in cannabis to really, in this case, assess impairment. You know, again, I'm not thinking that Thank you for watching.

2:24:19DrAnd I think the power is to be, and Israel, I had a one-on-one conversation with him, really bright guy and very amenable. In fact, Mark, we could probably get him on Hash Church. I think he'd love to come on and talk about his technology and, you know, where it's going.

2:24:36BubblemanI was going to ask you, I was going to ask you to, you know, you probably met a ton of great people at the conference and you already mentioned a few of them. Caleb even put one of their emails into the chat.

2:24:48DrYeah, Harold.

2:24:48BubblemanSo yes, of course, Harold. Yeah, let's do it. Invite him on, man. We can set up shows all the time. I've talked to Caleb again recently. He has another idea for a show. We're always looking for ideas for shows. I have seven days every week to come up with an entire idea for the show. And as many of you can see, Thank you for watching.

2:25:25BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:25:43BubblemanYou know, I love meeting with all the, you know, all of you guys weekly, but it's also nice to infuse different energies. And, you know, that's why I love having Caleb and Steven on the show, just some new different energies that are, you know, kind of up and coming and just like nailing this new information. I love what Steven's doing with sports medicine and that whole concept of cannabis.

2:26:07BubblemanAnd I love the work that Caleb's doing as well. So let's find as many folks as we can, whether they're, You know, 70 year old people that have been rocking the, you know, their industry for 40 or 50 years or whether they're like 25 year old people and they just kind of graduated and are on their way to do great things. I think that Hash Church is an incredible platform for all.

2:26:32BubblemanWe're very inclusive here.

2:26:36BubblemanUnless you don't smoke dabs, then you can't come on the show. Sorry. We got to fucking draw the line somewhere.

2:26:46Etienne FontanOh my goodness.

2:26:47BubblemanI think it's time for a dab. Everyone ready for a little dab?

2:26:53Etienne FontanJust about ready. Hey, I have a hand up. Please, you're next. So our veterans group has been doing FOIA requests, Freedom of Information Act, which is something we do in America, which we can basically write our government and say, I want your data on this. And they go and they find your data and they bring it to you. So it's really kind of fucking cool. Of course, it does cost money and you have to pay for it depending on how much you're doing and what you're asking.

2:27:27Etienne FontanAnd we've been asking a lot of questions specifically about cannabis and specifically about cannabis regarding cannabis use disorder. So we kind of did a little deep dive on cannabis use disorder. And of course, cannabis use disorder first appeared in 2013 with DSM-5, which is the classification for doctors, for lay folk to understand if somebody is addicted to something, et cetera. It's the official guidelines that they put up.

2:28:01Etienne FontanSo what we have found is the terminology cannabis use disorder. Well, we've known that this terminology cannabis use disorder has become a kind of be all catch all. And in the Veterans Health Administration, if you basically discuss cannabis, which you have the right under Directive 1315 from our friend Michael Krawitz, who helped change that law back in 2010, It's modified every five years. And this is specifically regarding the most recent updates.

2:28:38Etienne FontanBut what we have seen through our most recent FOIA dump is that they're putting cannabis use disorder with anybody who just says they're using cannabis. So it's kind of become a catch-all. And what recently I've had major meetings with all the cannabis VSOs, which are veteran service organizations that are in the cannabis community. And one of the things that we agree on is that there is uh cannabis use disorder has become a catch-all uh which needs separation and separation has been done in the research uh nurse nick piche has done research she's trying to separate medical cannabis from cannabis use disorder because there are people using Thank you for joining us.

2:29:51Etienne FontanWe need to get this separation specifically because we need science to help us and we need researchers who are watching to do that research to help because science is also, I mean, doctors or nurses get lazy, so they're going to fall on whatever terminology is in Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:30:32Etienne FontanOnce she's ready to talk about that, because it's a very important issue that, you know, veterans are a snapshot of the whole of reality and of the rest of the medical system here in America. We're trying to have that positive influence so that you don't, when you go to your doctor, just get that cannabis use disorder just because you talked to your doctor and said you use cannabis, right?

2:30:58Etienne FontanHow does that, what does that do? Well, you can't lose your benefits. However, doctors can necessarily hold back your pain meds if you have a serious pain situation and you need that pain medication for that. People are getting their medicine withheld, honestly, because they're like, oh, well, you're using cannabis, so you have this use disorder, which is considered bad. And honestly, one of the other things we found was hallucinogen use disorder is the new terminology that is being coined in the medical.

2:31:34Etienne FontanSo if you come in and say you use or microdose hallucinogens, now you can be diagnosed with hallucinogen use disorder too now. Science is a double-edged sword. It gives us information, but at the same time, we're missing vast parts of information. So that's kind of a plea of understand, and we're still unraveling. And the latest FOIA dump, I'm going through 2,500 pages of research that's nutty and fun, but we'll uncover more stuff.

2:32:03Etienne FontanBut it's very interesting stuff.

2:32:08BubblemanAwesome. Thanks for sharing, brother. You had your hand up, Colin. You wanted to do some sharing, I think.

2:32:17DrIndeed, he does. Yep, that's it. That's it.

2:32:24DrCon, you're muted. You're very muted, sir.

2:32:32Collin PalmerYou're totally muted. Sorry, man. So I got an opportunity to work with Zentrella when I was developing products for Pax Labs. And the PhD side of Pax was really amazing team of people. So they were really adept to doing stuff like this. So they took the products and they did a study. And it was, you know, the research framework is, you know,

2:33:04Collin PalmerThere's 28 people, I believe.

2:33:09Collin PalmerAnd, you know, you saw the results of it. You know, I think, like Steve put it, I think there's a lot more to be desired here, but I think it's a neat snapshot of what's possible, as Mark highlighted. But it's a cool idea. I think it's a neat, it's just interesting, you know. So, and the AI-based technology, it's, you know, at the time, you know, in 2023, this was done, it was really new, you know?

2:33:45Collin PalmerSo, it's pretty interesting. I didn't really think much of it, to be honest, after we did it, other than it was an interesting snapshot into the time, that moment in time.

2:33:59DrWell, I think one of the ways he was trying to standardize it, Colin, and he mentioned the PAC study was dose, right? And so obviously, like, if you can meter, like a certain number of milligrams per puff, it would help him build his mathematical models to understand, okay, Thank you for watching.

2:34:38DrAnd you're 85% THC in the tank. How much are you actually getting in, right? Like, and trying to tighten things up.

2:34:47Collin PalmerHere I found the, here I'll share it one more time. So it was 28 studies, or 28 subjects, 14 participants inhaled two hits of eight milligrams of vapor.

2:35:00Collin PalmerAverage 85% potency to 90% total active cannabinoids. Exactly. And then 14 participants inhaled two hits, eight milligrams of vapor from the berry gelato. And that was a... So the interesting thing here is one line is cannabis-diverged terpene, the other line is botanical terpenes, right? And that was the other thing I was trying to prove was... Behind the scenes, I was really pushing that, hey, CDTs are actually way more important to us than botanicals will ever be.

2:35:36Collin PalmerAnd I know this for a fact from my olfactory and my own personal experience. I just don't have the data for it. So this really highlights that, to be honest. If you look at the chart down here, it's just the way that it interacts with your body is far more impactful.

2:36:00Collin PalmerSo it was really, I don't know, this is, you're really, you're looking at is botanical, real cannabis versus, I mean, not, real cannabis versus botanical terpenes, right? So, and you're really seeing that here through this data, which I thought was really compelling and really fascinating to me.

2:36:23DrYeah, this is so cool. So these are the so-called PEL curves. PEL is, again, his measure of, yeah, psycho, let's see, what does it say? Psychoactive effect level, so PEL. And so what you can see is that, yeah, that those numbers go up. And so, yeah, you know what, man, this is totally cool because this is not measuring driver impairment per se, but what it's measuring is that Thank you so much for joining us.

2:37:06DrThe ability to turn right as soon as you see a car coming from the left. All those things have to be done, but I think that this technology could be part of that needs to develop.

2:37:19BubblemanI love the idea of this technology being used to look for something good. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:37:35BubblemanA higher PEL for live rosin over high purity THC. It's just this elevated high. It's like that graph almost is like what it feels like to smoke rosin versus diamonds.

2:37:51DrHe had another comparison where he looked at, I think Colin, you may have mentioned this, where he added botanical terpenes to just vanilla distillate that wasn't very high grade. And you could totally see That the rosin one took off and the distillate one barely got up off the baseline.

2:38:10Collin PalmerSo that's what I wanted to say to like everyone out there just watching it. It's like the high purity line is a Delta 9. All of these are distillery product with botanical diverged terpenes that are, you know, bought from, insert here that name, I won't say. And then the live rosin is just live rosin. So you're seeing the difference in the segments, not only through what they are just as a product, but also just like how they interact with the body is far more impactful.

2:38:43Collin PalmerAnd it's really, it's amazing. I mean... Steve has his hand up. I haven't looked at this graph in a long time. Go ahead.

2:38:55StephenOh, all I was going to say was. It's actually interesting how cannabis is behind in a lot of things. And we believe it's novel because this is exactly what they do for LSD, for mescaline, for psilocybin. They look at them via EEG in order to know how the substances are affecting your brain. It's how they found out that LSD kind of shuts down the default network where your brain kind of functions in silos.

2:39:25StephenThank you for joining us.

2:39:45BubblemanYou'd think they would just sit in a room and get high. Like, what the hell? All these incredible machines and equipments and degrees. It's just like, we're going to start with a bioassay. That'll be our foundation. And then we'll sort of branch. That's why I have an appreciation for Dr. Mark. Because he's a firm believer in the bioassay.

2:40:04DrOh, absolutely. And if anything, so I think, Stephen, your comment is right on. I think this is, again, one of the reasons why they have to use machine learning and AI to put these models together. And you're absolutely right, Marcus. I love to get high. And what this data represents is... The scientific data that says, okay, when Mark is high, what is his brain doing? What's his brain doing?

2:40:34DrMy PEL is over here. But the fact that he had mentioned this rosin study versus distillate, I already knew what those curves were going to look like before he showed the slide. And then when he showed the slide, it's like, yeah. It's exactly what we would have predicted, which is that live quality rosin is going to win all the time. The wonderful thing was, I think if I remember correctly, if to remember the study, the distillate pen had more THC in it, had more THC than the live rosin pen, but the live rosin pen showed the PEL go through the roof and the distillate one never made it up off the baseline.

2:41:19DrThat's great, right? It's like science is like, yeah, it's the science that validates our own bioassay, which is, you know, I could have looked at that data and said, yeah, live rosin is going to get me higher. Even it's got a lower percentage of THC. But, you know, yeah.

2:41:37Collin PalmerI can tell you, Dr. Mark, there is there is a lot of debate behind the scenes about what the results were going to be before those results came out. And it was overwhelmingly the opposite way.

2:41:50Collin PalmerI was very pleased to have a little smile on my face. I saw those results. It just shows like the plant can do so much on its own. You know, we can design a lot of things and create, you know, a lot of great things in the lab, but

2:42:09DrNature's Chemist is... Well, it kind of validates the whole entourage effect. Like we know, I mean, those of us who consume high quality artisan products know it's not just about the THCA or THC concentration. It has to do with the terpenes and everything else that's in there. This is scientific data in a laboratory setting That actually validates that thinking. And it validates what Marcus was saying about our bioassay.

2:42:39DrYeah, we know when we feel high. Well, here's scientific data that says that this group was more higher than this group.

2:42:49Collin PalmerYeah, it's cool. I, you know, you could pair, you could get, you know, you could expand, I think the protocol a little bit. You could do, you know, I think as Steve was kind of alluding to just more and add more to get more from a particular study and incorporate this, um, this data to try to, um, have a broader conversation about how it affects the body and for how long.

2:43:16StephenSo, yeah, I think, Canada has honestly done some really good research on this. And as a scientist here in the U.S., it always kind of hurts to realize that I don't know if the broader audience knows this. Countries don't all agree on science, which is why there's a journal of something for there's an American journal of this. There's a British journal of this. There's an Australian and a Japanese journal of this.

2:43:42StephenThere are certain topics that make it to the international level that they all agree on. But Canada has plenty of evidence. If the US was actually to just look at it, just objectively, just look at the endocannabinoid system research that's already going on in labs, they would have plenty of evidence. Like, descheduling wouldn't have even been a question. But the truth is, because it's been done in Canada, the US scientists don't have to respect it at all.

2:44:07StephenThey don't have to acknowledge it. It's very unfortunate. It's not supposed to be like that, Dr. Mark, right? But the truth is these studies do exist and the U.S. could objectively look at those and deschedule. And that would change all the regulation that goes towards the research we can do. But as long as the U.S. in its position of influence and power chooses to not acknowledge those studies, Those type of research studies that are already being done, even the ones that are going on here in the US.

2:44:39StephenThere's researchers at universities where people are doing cannabis research that don't know they're at the same university. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:45:11StephenWe don't. So I'm glad that you guys are saying somebody is doing it as private because it's really hard to get universities to do that.

2:45:21Collin PalmerYeah, man, I mean, Dr. Mark, you remember Thomas Jefferson University's like Lambert School and how that was supposed to be, you know, the thing. And, you know, it's too bad that we don't. You know, those things don't follow through on the promise, you know, the way they, they, they say, you know, it's, it's a shame sometimes, but there are, you know, it feels like Steve, sometimes you have, you have people that are trying to get to the good, you know, but along the way, there's a lot of, a lot of things calling it back and it's tough, man.

2:45:50Collin PalmerIt's like there, you're right. There's like so much awesome research done around the world daily, um, You know, and I wonder, like, Dr. Mark, from your perspective, why wouldn't someone respect it country to country in your, you know, your opinion?

2:46:06DrYeah, well, you know, part of it is the whole, you know, lock up that NIDA's got. And, you know, right now our National Institute of Health has been shut down. So they're not issuing any more research dollars, which is really our tax dollars to go to researchers like myself and other people who want to do cannabis related research. Maybe it's the perfect time for private companies like Pax or like this company in Toronto to really, you know, pick up the ball because getting, you know, the precipice that the United States was on for many years, and I'll be pro-US here and say that we were the leaders in biomedical research for so many years.

2:46:58DrAnd if you look at the inventions of everything from Penicillin to glucose sensing to MRI imaging. A lot of that happened here in the continental US. I think the problem with cannabis has been always, it's been stigmatized as being something that if you want to get federal research dollars from, you have to be able to demonstrate, this is kind of like what we were talking about before, a negative aspect of cannabis, right?

2:47:24DrYou can't really... Thank you for joining us.

2:47:43DrThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:48:11Dris is a huge uh a funder of cannabis related research and from what i understand rfk shut that shit down so a big silo of funding research Thank you for joining us.

2:48:51DrThank you for watching.

2:49:09DrIf you combine cannabis and they were using, again, not smoked cannabis, but mostly tinctures. If you combine cannabis with chemotherapy, they almost get complete remission of all the patients in that cohort, where if you look at just chemotherapy alone, not even close. I mean, there's you could look at this data.

2:49:31Collin PalmerWhat was the delivery mechanism? Did they cite that? Like, was it inhalation or was it like?

2:49:37DrNo, I think she was just she was exclusively she's in South Africa. So she's somewhat limited on what she has access to. And I think she was just using whole plant extracts as tinctures. I talked to her a little bit about extraction and tinctures and whatnot. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:50:16DrIn terms of patient recovery to where they're in complete remission, completely cancer free. And what they found, which I think we're seeing more and more of this, is that the cannabinoids somehow are synergizing With the chemotherapy and anti-cancer drugs that they commonly prescribe, so they can prescribe these things at much lower doses. And if you know anybody who's been through chemotherapy, it is fucking just terrible. It's the most god-awful thing to ever have to go through.

2:50:52DrYou lose your hair, you lose your appetite, you just feel like shit, you don't even feel like, you know, it just... cannabis helps counter all of those negative effects of chemotherapy it should almost be used like they should almost make a a law or a rule where if you're going to give chemotherapy to a cancer patient you should also put them on cannabis the data is just completely overwhelming that the cohort of her patients Thank you so much for joining us.

2:51:46Collin PalmerI mean, I think of David, you know, in this moment, you know, how he chased the idea of replacing Marinol and he went to Amsterdam to do it. Right. Like that was his that was his whole dream. You know, at least that's my understanding of it. Maybe correct me if I'm wrong, Marcus, anyone. But it's it's fascinating to me. All these years later, we're still chasing the same thing.

2:52:09Collin PalmerYou know, it's it's. It's, it's amazing, but it's, you know, what a cool data set, you know, that's, that's, that's truth right there, you know, as you're, as you're, you're getting to, it's, it's what we need more of, you know.

2:52:23DrHer name is, is Shiksa Gallo, and she's a cannabis clinician at the Holistic Integrative Healing Institute. Which is down in South Africa where she is. Absolutely very dynamic speaker. She just gave a very, very over the top presentation showing medical efficacy of cannabis and prostate cancer. I mean, I was sitting in the audience just completely blown away by her data. Wow. That's cool. That's awesome.

2:53:00Collin PalmerWhat's the come of that? Like, is there more, more, is she doing more, is she releasing a white paper around it? Like what's, do you know what, what,

2:53:09DrWell, I think she's got a couple of pharmaceutical companies who are very interested because she's looking specifically at prostate cancer. I asked her about some of the analogs that we've made. I mean, we're showing activity against what are called your cat cells, which are leukemic cancer cells. So what we hope, or I'm sorry, leukemic T cells. So, so T cells that have been infected with leukemia and are now cancerous.

2:53:36DrWe're showing that our HHCA, which is hydrogenated THCA, and we've now done the separation of the 9R isomer from the 9S isomer. And it's really fascinating, Colin, what we're seeing is that the 9S isomer Thank you. Thank you.

2:54:22DrBut yeah, really cool stuff. I wanted to point out one other researcher who I was unaware of. His name was Mandeep. Hold on. I just pulled up his web page. Mandeep Satchdeva. And he is a, the title of his talk was Synergistic Anticancer Activity of Cannabinoids and Terpenes Overcoming Resistance in Triple Negative Breast Cancer. Oh my God, was his data so compelling. I mean, you look at this data, and again, even if you don't know medical science, even if you don't know chemistry or cannabinoid science, you would look at his data and say, why aren't we doing this?

2:55:06DrWhy aren't we prescribing cannabis? And he was looking at some of the more prevalent terpenes, Colin, so he looked at beta-caryophyllene, and he was looking at some of the minor cannabinoids. So this was the guy that looked at CBC, but he was also looking at CBDV, CBN, CBG, and a variety of the different terpenes, including bisalobal, myrcene, linalool, limonene, geraniol, nerolidyl, alpha-pinene. So he understands, again, that, yeah, there is this real entourage effect in whole plant medicine that we don't see with single active ingredients.

2:55:46DrThank you so much for joining us today.

2:56:13DrCollaborative work we could do. So for me and Harold, so Harold was the emulsion chemist. I was the active ingredient chemist. We're like literally kids in a candy store because now we have access to all these doctors who want to see new medicines. And yeah, so Harold was highly sought after at the conference. That was I. So it's just a great place to be when you're a chemist.

2:56:36BubblemanDid you get pulled over by anyone and say, hey, are you that guy from Hash Church?

2:56:42DrNo, I well, Marcus. So they did with all of the participants. They did kind of like a two minute little video thing. I forget who the woman was that was doing that, but they're going to post all that. And they said, where, how can we find you, Dr. Mark? Like, like where? And I was like, whoa, I'm on every Sunday. I mentioned Hash Church, mentioned you, Bubble Man.

2:57:08DrAnd yeah, so I think there's going to be some social media pushes that, you know, the McKernans use the year in between the CanMeds to really Talk about the presentations that were made at CanMed and really try to market next year's conference. This is not a cheap conference to go to. I think for an outsider, I think if you're not like a speaker or if you're not on their panel, I think it's somewhere around $2,500 to $2,800 for like a three-day conference.

2:57:41DrIt's like a thousand bucks a day, man. That's a lot of money. And certainly to be in a tropical location like Puerto Rico is absolutely beautiful. But what they're telling us is next year is going to be the 10th year and they want to bring it back here to New England. So I was pushing for Vermont. You know, all the ski towns up here could certainly accommodate those kinds of Thank you so much for joining us.

2:58:21DrI mean, Kevin's a pretty controversial guy. I know. I think he's an advisor to RFK. So I think that's a good thing, right? Maybe, you know, he'll get cannabis over the goal line. We've had Kevin on before, right, Marcus? Kevin's been on a couple of times.

2:58:38BubblemanOh, yeah, yeah. He's been on a few times. The last one we did was on Aspergillus, the testing, the lab testing.

2:58:45Collin PalmerYeah, Kevin's, Kevin's, uh, I like Kevin. I, I, I, he's, he's done a lot of fun stuff with me and trusted my plants that were super sick and had a lot of fun dispelling and understanding what, you know, hop late and viroid is or isn't. And I think he went off and that sparked him to do even more, which I thought was amazing. And You know, I think there he's, you know, yeah, he's, you know, everyone's opinionated, right?

2:59:16Collin PalmerBut I think that he's trying to do some good here. And I think there's, there's a lot of really cool things that they have done and they continue to do. They're really big believers in the plant and what its possibilities are. I mean, CanMed is an amazing, like, I wish more conferences would have You know, aspects of what even a fraction of what they bring to the table there for the presentations, you know, so.

2:59:41Collin PalmerBut Canopedia has been really amazing for me. So that's that's my, you know, that's how I view it. I think it's they're trying to do some good. That's how I see it.

2:59:53DrWell, they're interfacing with the community of doctors and I think they've built credibility with, you know, by having doctors like Dustin. For those of you who don't know Dustin Sulak, go look up thehealer.com and you can hear all about what Dustin's been doing. He's been doing medical cannabis for, oh, I think about, you know, a couple of decades now. They often have Bonnie couldn't attend because she had, I think, a family emergency or maybe one of her patients was slipping away and she couldn't she couldn't make it.

3:00:25DrBut she had some some of her data presented there. Deb Kimless, who's also a widely known medical doctor. I mean, these are the doctors. That can be used to convince more doctors that you know when a patient comes in to your office that you should think about cannabis not as a last resort but almost as a first resort and before prescribing FDA pharmaceuticals with the litany of side effects maybe try prescribing cannabis.

3:00:59DrSo I think they've tapped into that group of doctors, Colin, and that group of doctors could be like, you know, I don't know, I'll just get biblical for a second, could be like, you know, Jesus's disciples, right? So the disciples were there to spread the good word. So maybe these doctors could be there to spread the good word and say, hey, look at this data, right? When you look at Schick's data, you can't help but, geez, I have a A patient that has prostate cancer, I should be not just giving them chemotherapy.

3:01:31DrThey should be getting chemotherapy and cannabis. And here's the data that I can point to. You know, does the FDA approve of that? Well, fuck the FDA. They're behind the eight ball on this. Just a little.

3:01:43BubblemanI mean, think of how many people, how many people do you think die from chemotherapy annually versus die from cannabis? Just on like a... A guesstimation.

3:01:52DrThe hell with chemotherapy, Marcus. Peanuts. People die from peanut allergies, right? From peanuts and salt. Yeah, 25 deaths a year that's attributed to aflatoxins, which is the peanut, mycotoxin-infected peanuts. So peanuts... Are more dangerous than cannabis, right? Yeah, you can go to any of the major league baseball parks and you could get, you know, bags full of peanuts and people are eating peanuts as they're watching baseball.

3:02:23DrIt's a great American pastime. I like eating peanuts and drinking a beer at a ballpark just like anybody else. But the facts are and the statistics prove it is that cannabis is safer than cannabis is safer than peanuts, people.

3:02:38BubblemanAnd it's definitely safer than chemo. They put the retrospective audits worldwide say that the 30 day mortality after chemotherapy therapy is between 8.1 and 43%. Right. That's fucking insane.

3:02:59DrRight, but you know, when you get cancer, sometimes it's, you really need the chemo. It depends on how widespread the cancer is and whether or not you've had metathesis, whether it's something that could be removed by surgery itself. Often with many kinds of cancer, like prostate cancer, prostate cancer is highly, or undergoes metathesis, which is basically the spreading of those cancer cells or the tumor fragments all throughout the body.

3:03:27DrSo You have to get early detection is absolutely important. Please, all men, go get your prostate tested. Prostate cancer I think is the number two cancer killer of men. It's as prevalent as breast cancer is in women. So just as often as women Thank you for joining us.

3:04:08DrSo you want to make sure that you don't have elevated levels of PSA, but even that is pretty controversial in RFK's era here. So get your prostate check, man.

3:04:22Collin PalmerI try to check mine every day. That was like a Bob Weir. Get your breath check.

3:04:34BubblemanOh, and then throw Phil in there as well and make sure you give your organs away when you die on your license plate. Yeah, I meant Phil, not Bobby.

3:04:46DrHarold Hahn, our emulsion chemist at Virtosa, gave a really excellent talk and he talked about a textbook or a book that's out there So let's see if we can name them. What are the six beverages that changed human civilization? I bet you we could name a bunch of them, right? What do you think they were? Anybody? Caleb, what do you think? Apache.

3:05:25BubblemanCoca-Cola is definitely on the list, but beer, obviously. Beer is like old school. And then if beer is on the list, then wine has to be on the list. Wine is also on the list. And if it's beer and wine, it's also spirits. Beer, wine, and spirits. Yes.

3:05:43DrFucking coffee. Coffee is one, right?

3:05:47BubblemanAnd then I don't do coffee. I do tea. He was like, tea's gotta be on that. Tea's gotta be like, which one goes back the furthest out of those beverages?

3:05:58DrYeah, well, so it's really interesting. So yes, those are the six beverages, or I think it's called the six, if you look it up on Google, I think you look for the six glasses that changed civilization and you'll find those six beverages. But you know, as I was sitting in the audience thinking about this, I was for sure thinking that milk would be one of those, right?

3:06:23DrBecause milk is just this weird fucking thing, right? It comes from the udder of a cow, right? Or a goat. Yeah, or a goat. I don't know about you guys, but what I remember in elementary school, like when we went for lunch in the cafeteria and Everyone had a lunch tray and there was a carton of milk on everyone's lunch tray, right? So I thought for sure milk would be one of those beverages.

3:06:52DrAnd you have to almost think again back to the origins. Who was the first guy who drank cow's milk? And did he actually go up to the udder and suck it out of the cow?

3:07:06BubblemanAnd did he have breast milk from a woman first? And did that give him the idea? So

3:07:11DrMarcus, you bring up a great point. The first beverage that most of us get as a human being is breast milk. And you would think that again, yeah, breast milk.

3:07:23BubblemanIf you're lucky.

3:07:24Drmight be one of the and i don't know about you but i prefer mother's milk over over cow's milk it comes in the cutest containers right i love them right but you know and you think about like milk too like milk got converted into cheese and yogurt and ice cream i mean milk is actually i think should be on there but harold's whole point of bringing this up is he believes That THC infused beverages is going to be the seventh beverage that changes human civilization.

3:08:01DrWow.

3:08:02BubblemanWell, I mean, listen, we know that when we consume, we alter our biome, which alters our perspective and our consciousness. And so, you know, when you look back at. These different, I'm sure tea was very quite proper, you know, for many, many years. And then all of a sudden alcohol showed up and that was different. Maybe it was more working class and, you know, they're just so specifically different that, uh, It'll be interesting to see how much consumption of THC beverages change the way people think.

3:08:38BubblemanBecause that's really what it's all about, right? All of these beverages that were named had massive ramifications on how the population thinks. And I'm quite certain it's one of the reasons why they would want people to be afraid of cannabis and make it illegal and have all this propaganda out there because it definitely changes the way you think. There's no doubt about that. I mean, look at Etienne.

3:09:04BubblemanJesus Christ, this guy smokes so much. And because of it, he's out there saving the world. Like, I want to say that the smoking aspect of what Etienne has been doing most of his life is a very important factor in what drives him to do it.

3:09:21Etienne FontanWithout a doubt. I mean, it feeds me. Whereas, yeah, other people are like, I don't know how you can handle it.

3:09:30BubblemanI don't know how you can't.

3:09:32Etienne FontanExactly when I go into crisis control and I've had to deal with various crisis over almost 26 years doing you know dispensing and uh yeah get busted smoking a joint thinking about what I need to do next you know it grounds me keeps me you know puts me where I need to be whereas other people you know it doesn't work for them but uh yeah the term high functioning stone Thank you so much for joining us.

3:10:13Etienne FontanIt's why I've never been a fan of a lot of the stoner movies because a lot of the dumb stoner stuff, you know what I'm saying? It's really, it's offensive to me and, you know, my friends like Dennis Perrone and Jack Herrera and Dr. Todd McCurry and Michael Krawitz and others that, yeah, totally dispel that and, you know, you almost look at how those projections were

3:10:44Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

3:11:03Etienne FontanI've not found a demographic for me except people like all of you on Hash Church, you know what I'm saying? And others that I've met out and about on Hash Church that are people who do get it, that can function. And on top of that, they didn't forget their keys or what they're talking about or to do their research or to vote or do these things, which...

3:11:28Etienne FontanWe've been mocked in in the media, you know, time and time again for, you know, because that's the only pot shot they can take because the last thing they want to know is that Carl Sagan, one of their most respected scientists, was a huge proponent and user of cannabis and he had to hide it and hide behind it because of the stigma and the misinformation and myth, M-I-T-H, information as well.

3:11:56Etienne FontanThat is a stigma. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:12:28Etienne FontanThat's everything. Everything you know, everything you believe, every religion. Yeah, I could hear his voice. You know what I'm saying? He was just so prolific to my and our generation. You know what I'm saying? It's we look back with fondly and unfortunately.

3:12:44DrBillions and billions, right? And billions and billions.

3:12:48Etienne FontanYeah, it's yeah. And then, of course, our friend, you know, of the show, Lester Grinspoon was his best man. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's how literally tight, you know, it is at the cannabis community. He helped save his son. You know what I'm saying? So, you know.

3:13:08Etienne FontanIt's just, yeah, it's frustrating to be lumped into stupid and always be made to feel that way because of your choice of medicine. And it's unfair. It's unjust. And it's just one of those lumps you have to take. You know what I'm saying in life? Look at that. Look at that. Look at those suits, ladies and gentlemen. Look at that hair. Dude, Lester's a pimp.

3:13:32BubblemanRight?

3:13:38BubblemanI am very glad that Todd brought him on to Hash Church back in the day. I remember the first time he came on Hash Church, it was one of those rare days where I kind of couldn't be here. And I kind of had to like be away. And it was this sort of like, damn, like, I want to hang out with... Dr. Lester Grinspoon on Hash Church.

3:13:56BubblemanBut yeah, hearing him tell the story of Danny and smoking his first joint and, you know, which is of course the whole reason Marijuana Reconsidered was written. Very powerful stuff. Two incredible men. If you're young and you're hearing these names for the first time. Get Marijuana Reconsidered. Check out the pale blue dot. Google Carl Sagan. Google Dr. Lester Grinspoon. These are pretty incredible men. They had pretty vast lives and they made a dent in our perspective and our consciousness and they shall not be forgotten.

3:14:35Etienne FontanAnd Lester is not just a strain, pardon me, a genetic. Yeah, exactly.

3:14:41SpeakerAlthough it is a really good one.

3:14:44Etienne FontanIt is, yeah. It's just that it takes some time.

3:14:47BubblemanAbsolutely. Absolutely. No one's named a Sagan.

3:14:53Etienne FontanYou know what I'm saying? We've got Lester. We've got Jack. Somebody needs to create a Carl Sagan. You know what I'm saying? And what would that be? What would that terpene profile be, Dr. Mark? What would that what would be as unique and as, you know, out of this world of the most intelligent, not the right. What do you want of the most? What would encompass that breadth?

3:15:15DrYeah, it would be something out of this world, right? It would probably have some, yeah, some relevant to space or something like Carl Sagan Kush or something like that.

3:15:28BubblemanI'm thinking like a bluish anthocyanin producing cultivar that can produce blue rosin that can be made into dots and we can sell it as the pale blue dots. That's that.

3:15:45DrYeah, I don't know. Everyone always asks me, all the Breaking Bad fans out there, it's like, hey, Dr. Mark, can you really make blue meth, right? Is there such a thing as blue methamphetamine? I think it makes entertaining television, but... And remember for a while, I don't know if you remember this, Marcus, I think we talked about this on Hash Church, right? There was a couple people who were making colored dabs, I think they were, I'm not sure if they were diamonds or BHO, but they were...

3:16:14DrThank you for watching. I'll see you next time.

3:16:30DrYour hash blue and you know for purple you could probably use CBD hydroquinone which is intensely purple in color to make purple hash but I don't know if the world needs colored artificially colored hash.

3:16:47BubblemanI mean, I'm sure people would love it just like they love Froot Loops and Botanical Terps, you know, and I'm not saying that in a judgmental way. I'm honest. I think people would definitely love it. I wouldn't. It would frighten me and disturb me. I definitely like the idea of the points, you know, those little points that Bobby La Calada was doing in Barcelona. I don't know if he started it a year ago or if it was just this year, but like super cool and impressive and unique.

3:17:17BubblemanThank you.

3:17:35BubblemanThey call them points, which I was just like, oh my God, dude, that is hilarious. We saw them for the first time when I did Jar Check with Jolly Roger at the Eagle Clash in Barcelona this last March. And they're just like, I was trying to find the picture, but sometimes the internet lets me down and I have too many hard drives.

3:17:57BubblemanBut I'll try to find it one more time. They're just these perfect little points. They're like actually pretty cool looking. They call them points because it's one tenth of a gram each. I was like, I live in a city where hard drugs are a major problem. And I don't think points is going to go over well in my city or ATN city for that matter. But it was a very cool concept.

3:18:19BubblemanAnd when I saw it, I was like, dude, this is actually like super cool. You know, these perfect little rosin balls, basically like flat little discs that you could just pick out of the jar with your fingers. They weren't sticky. It was more of a sort of sugared out thing. Kind of product, but very cool. I like novelty. I like different things. Not so much like artificial colors.

3:18:49BubblemanThat being said, I definitely thought what Oli was doing, we had him on here, the guy that was doing all the holography. He sent me one recently, and I can show you this. This is THCA that he...

3:19:09BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:19:27BubblemanThank you for joining us.

3:19:43BubblemanIf it reaches a certain temperature, he can create holograms. This is why they don't work on chocolate because they haven't figured out a way to stabilize it. The chocolate shifts ever so slightly in its texture, whether it liquefies ever so microscopically and lightly, the hologram disappears because it's not anything added. It's just like a microscopic stamp that diffracts it in a way that it picks up and catches and shows these beautiful lights.

3:20:11BubblemanAnd these colors. And so I love the idea down in the future when we have a cold supply chain, when we have a cold supply chain. Oh, my God. When we have a cold supply chain and you can use these little discs as kind of, you know, how you go about showing that, yes, the cold supply chain was kept because when you open that jar and it would maybe have to be a baller jar, but a super thin disc of THCA just sitting right on top that has a little, maybe it has cold supply chain and a pattern or a logo in the middle.

3:20:45BubblemanAnd that just disappears when the cold supply chain is broken and the resin gets too warm. You get your jar, you open it, you have a disc of THCA on top, but there's no hologram on it. That tells you that the cold chain has been broken. Kind of cool for the future. I mean, right now we don't even have cold supply chain, but it is cool, right?

3:21:08DrReally, really cool. I mean, that diffraction, every time you look at a rainbow, right, that's basically what you're seeing, right, is that the sunlight is sort of being split, which is white light, into the individual, you know, spectrum of light, which is what you see when you see a rainbow, right? I mean, yeah, absolutely fantastic. Beautiful little physics lesson there on light diffraction. But yeah, really, that's such a cool idea, Marcus.

3:21:36DrI love that.

3:21:38BubblemanYeah, he's definitely doing cool things. There's no doubt about that. It's a lot of the stuff he's shown me I have never really seen before or even considered. I never considered it. I just was like, I never even thought of that. And that also excites me a great deal. When you've spent as much time, I think it's what drove Skunk Man Sam, to be honest. I really do.

3:22:04BubblemanHim, his... Interest in finding the new new and keeping his finger on the pulse was one of the things I admired about him in the industry and how willing he was. He knew everyone. Anyone that was doing anything of any substance, he would know you. He would just reach out to you like, hey, I'm Dave Watson. Like, we need to communicate because I like what you're doing.

3:22:28BubblemanAnd that's what it's all about, man. Innovation.

3:22:35Etienne FontanWell it's thinking outside the box right and then applying it right it's that ideation we're talking about right you have to think about it but to to be there to think about it you have to be in that right space and yeah for many conceptualists like that cannabis helps them get there so you know it doesn't surprise me that you know they're some of the most creative people as well and those that are also able to solve real world problems because You know, time and time again, we stoners have over and over again overcome obstacles.

3:23:09Etienne FontanAnd the easiest thing is to put stoners in a room with cannabis and no way to smoke it. And they will come up with something. They will find something.

3:23:17BubblemanWell, look at this guy. Have you ever considered this? This is how fucking deep this guy thinks. What if we made a THCA... Lens and we used it to do solar bowls. What if we use THCA and the sun to light our bowls and take a rip with? Just one more thing I've absolutely never considered or thought of. It's nice to think outside the box.

3:23:54BubblemanUnless the box has like a lot of really good flavorful dabs inside, then it's like it's good to spend some time in that box. Like that's a good box. I also like bento boxes. Those are good boxes. Bento boxes for the win. Hello. Teriyaki Salmon. Oh, we have like about... 38 minutes left. We didn't get to say goodbye to Steven. That's too bad. And Craig had to bounce and Colin had to bounce.

3:24:20BubblemanBut we got another 38 minutes. I don't know where you guys want to go with it or what you want to get into. But I'm sure something will arrive. Oh, I know. We got to give this spoon away. Holy shit. I forgot this a long time ago. 66 entries only right now. I'll go on to the giveaway so that people can see the transparency. Really straightforward. I will try to get it up to like 80 or 90, but this is one of the new collection spoons from the Press Club.

3:24:56BubblemanReally impressed with it. It's fucking awesome. And man, you won't even want to throw the box away. You'll almost want the spoon to live in this box. It's so just nice. But yeah, thanks to the Press Club for the sponsorship and giving away the spoon. We got 70 entries. I'll wait till about 80 and then we'll hit it. Then I need you to send me an email at bcbubbleman at icloud.com.

3:25:22BubblemanAnd I will have Bingo Lombardi post that into the chat right after the winner has been announced. So you'll see it in the chat. Send me an email as humanly possible because what I'm going to do is give you something to say in chat under the name that you won. And that confirms to me that you're just not some random person sending me an email. Thank you so much for watching.

3:26:03BubblemanYou have automatically been entered. So, yeah, we'll get your name. We'll connect you to your name with your email address. I'll forward it off to Jeffrey and the good folks at the Press Club, and they'll ship out your spoon for you. Well, they'll reach out to you and make sure, you know, that they got the right address and whatnot. But, all right, we got 92. Let's hit it.

3:26:23BubblemanI think that's good enough. Let's choose a winner. Chicken Dinner, HR Inc. You've won, HR Inc., So bingo. If you want to put that email up there, bcbubbleman at icloud.com. I'm just going to photograph that so I can remember. And then, yeah, sweet. HR Inc. just won. Do you know the first time I did one of these, the guy's name was Ben Inya, and I didn't even catch it, but it was like Ben Inya.

3:26:58BubblemanI think you might have pointed it out, Etienne. I can't remember. It was pretty funny, though. Like, fuck, dude, you just can't even make this shit up. The ridiculousness and the hilarity when everyone's being their authentic self. Yes way, HR Inc. You won the spoon, and if you don't make hash, maybe this spoon... We'll be an inspiration for you to get into making hash and get a little one gallon set of bags at bubblebag.com for like a hundred bucks.

3:27:23BubblemanAnd you could be using that spoon to hand mix up some medicine of goodness. So I need you to send me an email, HR. BC Bubble Man. There it is. Bingo Lombardi just put it up. Send me that email so I can give you the sentence of what you need to say in chat. Type in chat and we'll get that sent out to you. Thanks Press Club for making it fun.

3:27:48BubblemanSorry I waited till like 1230 to give it away. Thank you so much for watching.

3:28:07BubblemanI got a few of these from the press club. And I, so I was like, I always want to share with my wife. So I came out and showed her the box. She's like, what's this? I'm like, it's a spoon. And she looked at it and she picked it up and she was like, this is a nice spoon. I'm like, yeah. Like, do you want that for like the chilies or like any of the good meals that you make?

3:28:24BubblemanShe's like, yeah, I'd love it. I'm like, okay. So she was just excited to get the spoon for the kitchen. Thank you for watching. I'll see you next time.

3:28:52BubblemanJust, you know, what I always, whenever I'm making bubble and I can't even imagine how many times I've forgotten this. I'll just end up at someone's house. This is back in the day. Oh, do you have a spoon? And it's kind of like, you know, the spoon that you want, you want to have it a fairly thin edge so that you can scoop nice off the nylon screen and really kind of get it tight in there.

3:29:12BubblemanBut you also want a big spoon and that is a nice size spoon. So shout out to those guys.

3:29:22BubblemanTalk about a hash nerd when you're really passionate about a spoon. Like, what is wrong with me?

3:29:33BubblemanSomething for certain.

3:29:33Etienne FontanYou're a quality man who knows quality tools, so that goes to the territory.

3:29:39BubblemanYeah, I guess that is it. I'm going to check to see if I got the email from HR. Wouldn't that be awesome if he already sent it? Yep, I got it. So let me just give him something to say in the chat here. What should I get him to say? Oh, I know. Let me see.

3:30:06SpeakerAll right, let's see that in chat. And we wrote the form. This is you.

3:30:11BubblemanIt's too bad that I live in a world that I just can't trust that this is obviously the guy who won the spoon. But you never know. And I'd hate to like me drop the ball and then the wrong guy get the spoon and the right guy not get the spoon. So let's see if he writes what I told him to write. Here it comes. Clear Domes is Bingo Lombardi's guess.

3:30:39BubblemanThat's what his guess is. Let's see if that's what it is. Dave Chappelle's, no, Full Melt again. Okay, I'm lame. No, it's not that. Let's see where he is. Let's see if he got his email. Technology is wild, how fast we're able to communicate. If you think of how long it took to communicate, if you think of metaphorically the amount of data just traveling from here to here, From like 200 years ago and how exponentially there it is.

3:31:11BubblemanI love Dr. Mark HR Inc. That was what he was supposed to say. And that's what he said. And the bottom line is, it's true. I do love Dr. Mark. I appreciate you showing up all the time and being with us and fucking I could blow smoke up your ass all day long, dude, but we really do appreciate you here in the community.

3:31:33DrWell, thank you so much. Thank you. It's always a pleasure to join this discussion with my Hash Church brothers. And yeah, I talk about Hash Church all the time, Marcus. You know, when I was down there, CanMed dropped your name a bunch of times. And yeah, I mean. This is really special what we got going here right I mean you don't just snap your fingers and have 10 years worth of history on the internet you know I mean think about those who've you know left us like Sam and Wade recently uh you know I mean um we got to keep this thing going you know and um Let's be here 10 years from now to talk about 20 years of Hatch Church, right, Mark?

3:32:23BubblemanDude, I honestly couldn't believe it was that we were in the 11th year. I was kind of blown away. And I know I did like three years straight and then I took a little bit off and I did some and I took off and I did some. And I'm very happy in the 11th year for us to be consistently gathering every week that we can gather. And that consistency really does...

3:32:44BubblemanI mean, honestly, it's taken 10 years to cultivate this audience, this core group of two to 300 people that like watch every single week with us and the three to 5,000 people that watch within the first seven days is a really cool, I mean, you know, on the internet, sometimes you can get lost when you see, You know, a monkey farting or whatever, and it gets 400 million views.

3:33:10BubblemanYou can get lost in those numbers. That's an unfathomable number, obviously, the virality, the viralness of that. But if you think like 7,000 like-minded people, like if we had an event, a hash church event, which was just the equivalent of us one week of our hash church, all those people, 7,000 to 10,000 people just coming and hanging out and being like, oh, I've been... I got turned on to you.

3:33:34BubblemanThe stories and the ripple effect of all of those people into so many different walks of life. It's it's it's pretty cool to be a part of.

3:33:46DrWell, and, you know, again, I don't want to dwell on those who are no longer with us like Sam and Wade, and we can't forget Horatio, too. You know, in fact, if it wasn't for Horatio, Marcus, he was the one who introduced us, right? So you would know who I am. I wouldn't have been on Hash Church if it wasn't for Horatio.

3:34:08BubblemanWhich speaks volumes of Horatio because he was always one of the smartest guys in the room and he always loved to be the smartest guy in the room. But what he wanted more than anything was Thank you so much for joining us.

3:34:44DrThank you for joining us today.

3:35:14DrThank you. Thank you.

3:35:31DrThank you so much for joining us.

3:36:02DrThink about where things were 11 years ago and the progress that we've made to this point today, where things are going to be 11 years from now. And it's probably going to be on the collective of some of the people who watch Hash Church. And people have now, yeah, you're right, Marcus. People come up to me at airports, come up to me at fish shows, and they're like, hey, Dr. Mark, man.

3:36:28DrYou know, it's just it's just great community of people and bingo and QWERTY and all you guys in chat. We love you guys. I don't I couldn't pick bingo Lombardi out of a lineup. I have no idea what he looks like. I have no idea if he's red hair. I have no idea if he has a beard. You know what? That doesn't matter at all because I know he's going to be.

3:36:50DrIn chat on Sunday at Hash Church. And yeah, it's just it's so cool to be connected to this group in this community, which really, you know, we can't take for granted, Marcus. This doesn't happen overnight. This only happens. After you've been building this thing live in years. So thank you.

3:37:09BubblemanNo, I don't trust me. Well, when I first took our first break, I was kind of like, there's a huge community. There's tons of people doing all of this stuff. Like it'll just, the whole will be filled. And I was kind of surprised that it wasn't. And then, you know, did it for a little while longer, took another little break, still not filled, took another little break.

3:37:27BubblemanAnd when I finally came back recently, I saw clearly that we have a cool little niche thing here that won't be, I mean, here's the thing. If you are not afraid to be different and you are your authentic self, there's nothing more valuable and more More real than that authenticity. And that's what Hash Church is. Everyone is authentically themselves. It's a truth. The vibe is good. And we're just moving this forward.

3:37:58BubblemanAnd you're right. I mean, my goodness, with a hair. I think rosin was a big part of Hash Church's explosion. The fact that Soil Grown fell came on here and showed how to make the rosin for the first time. It had been on Instagram, but it wasn't him talking. It wasn't. It was the first time online that words were being spoken out of someone's mouth on how to do this process.

3:38:20BubblemanAnd it spread like wildfire. I mean, to the point where I know this much, 11 years ago, nobody was smoking rosin. I mean, really, it was just not, you know, maybe the odd person figured out a way to do it like Compassion did with the Double boiler and the milking of the heads around the stainless steel and collecting that oil. But you think of how many people are smoking rosin now.

3:38:48BubblemanI would say a lot of people that are watching right now have rosin in their stash. And that became, that's like a magic key that you get when you go to Walmart and buy a hair straightener. Like how insane is that?

3:39:05Etienne FontanYou know, we were talking about, Caleb and I yesterday were talking about, which was considered one of the lowest quality hashes, which was boiled hash. Caleb. Boiled. Boiled. Talk about it, Caleb.

3:39:20StephenYeah.

3:39:21SpeakerSo when we think of traditional hash in the current modern smoking lens, right, we think of dry sift, we think of hand rubbed. And, you know, before smoking was more widespread, Adam Wendel, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan, Dean of the University of Michigan.

3:39:54SpeakerYou know, it references boiled hash. And so everyone's heard that story of, you know, supposedly the best hand-rubbed hashish being collected from the bodies of naked virgins running through the fields, right? And so the first reference to that in English, like to the Western world is from this book from 1848, which was written based off of a Indian Materia Medica. And like in this book, that reference is the reference like the best quality hash is the hand rub hash.

3:40:30SpeakerAnd they also mentioned that the lowest quality hash is boiled hash. And I can definitely see like as smoking took off, boiled hash probably doesn't make the cut for smoking, especially, you know, it's got to be used probably pretty soon after and eaten pretty soon after. But, you know, eaten hash, boiled hash, something to think about.

3:40:57BubblemanThat was sumac, wasn't it? That was, yeah, okay. That was tasty. Sorry, ATN, go ahead.

3:41:08Etienne FontanNo, no, it's just, yeah, wouldn't it be, I mean, when you boil it, it would be decarboxylating. So if you're eating it, it's active, you know what I'm saying? So... That's, you know, yeah, it was the lowest quality. You wouldn't want to smoke it. However, you see its nutritional and its medicinal values have been probably why it was used, because I know it was used also to, as we were talking about getting rid of parasites earlier, it's also used to purge and get rid of some worms and things like that.

3:41:38BubblemanYeah, even nowadays. Plus the metabolite is so strong. You don't need the highest quality hash if you're eating it, especially if you have a lot, you can eat as much as you want. The quality to me is like, what is that? Maybe as a smoke or a vapor quality is, but if you just have a, you're looking for to consume THCA in abundance, eat a bunch of hash.

3:42:12SpeakerOr make a tincture.

3:42:14BubblemanOr make a tincture. You know, the tincture, I love the tincture because the tincture is what allowed us to get our laws changed in Canada. Because when cannabis first became legal in the medical world here, they had it defined as marijuana. That was like marijuana. And, but they didn't allow extracts. There was a 14 year, you know, potential jail sentence if you did processing. And so Kirk Toussade from The Great Gardener, he went in front of the judge and he just said, look, the way it's set up right now is I can grow, my grandma could grow cannabis at her house.

3:42:52BubblemanAnd, but the minute she takes that cannabis and takes those, the buds and puts them in like a little tea bag and soaks them in hot water, Now she has broken a federal law and could potentially serve 14 years in prison. And so the judge who was really smart, he was like, well, I can't change the law. But he's like, what I can do is I can change the definition of marijuana for British Columbia because it was a provincial case, not a federal case.

3:43:25BubblemanAnd so he changed the law, the definition, sorry, of marijuana to be all things marijuana. So if you had a license to have like 4,000 grams of marijuana, you get a 4,000 grams of seed, 4,000 grams of oil, 4,000 grams of hash, basically 4,000 grams of any component of that plant. As that now became the definition. And it was a pretty big deal. That was Owen who was busted at with VIX with Ted Smith from the Victoria...

3:43:58BubblemanUh, fame of, of the, the guy's been doing God's work for a long time over there. He's a really amazing guy. We should have Ted Smith on one day, cuz he is pretty awesome. But, uh, yeah, him and Owen Smith, they, Ted had a bakery or a whatever, a, a, a kitchen for doing, uh, medicinal edibles and Owen ran that kitchen and they were the ones that got busted for Kirk to get in front of that judge to say, look, Come on, it's not, it doesn't make any sense.

3:44:28BubblemanAnd the judge was just like, you're right. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's going to clog up our courts and it's problematic. So he just sealed it off by changing the definition of, of marijuana. I don't think I've said the word marijuana that many times in the last like 10 years of my life, but I just definitely said it like about 18 just now. And I didn't like the taste that it left in my mouth each time I said it.

3:44:49BubblemanI don't know why. Maybe it's because I have knowledge of how they use that word against us. That's probably it.

3:44:56Etienne FontanWe have to reclaim it. Marijuana. Right. How we reclaimed it. Right. That was the main thing we pushed. We're pushing in the 90s. We're like, no, no, we've got to stop the marijuana and call it cannabis. It's going to be L. And they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, marijuana. Fuck you. And now, you know, it's called cannabis use disorder, not marijuana use disorder. You know what I'm saying?

3:45:17Etienne FontanIt's now the cannabis control. Office, not the marijuana control office. So yeah, every time I hear that, I do feel a little bit of a victory because that started from, you know, a significant choice by a lot of grassroots activists to force that change by in the media, right? Every time you spoke in the media, it was to correct the media, right? And they did. They corrected it to the point where they then went at the legislator, the whoever, and then they started using cannabis.

3:45:49Etienne FontanSo, you know, We're part of the reason why it's back in the vernacular because it's scientifically correct which we always felt it should but I also I agree we're also reclaiming the racism that is inherent around cannabis and that cannabis is made because remember we're in the hundredth Thank you so much for joining us.

3:46:37Etienne FontanNomenclature matters, correct, Dr. Sheldon, especially in having a communication that's consistent across the board. By doing that, we've taken away that marijuana myth and reinstituted that cannabis professionalism that is always deserved. And science has brought our anecdotals right into present day. And I can't thank science enough. But, you know, thank you, scientists.

3:47:07DrYou're welcome. Yes, you're absolutely right. Nomenclature does matter. And it's one of the reasons why I'm a stickler online when I see people using wrong terms of art and wrong terms of our vernacular to basically describe cannabis. You know, people have often, you know, again, misconstrued ideas that then, you know, if you're an influencer or somebody who has a lot of followers and you say something that's wrong or incorrect, and now those followers repeat that and it gets repeated and repeated.

3:47:42DrIt's one of the reasons why, yes, we do need standardization of nomenclature. Absolutely, ATN. I'm totally on board with what you're saying.

3:47:57BubblemanWell, maybe one last dab before we head off onto our perspective days.

3:48:05Etienne FontanI think that's in order. Oh, no. Do we have to? Oh, no.

3:48:13BubblemanOh, is that what we're doing? We're hitting Shirley's?

3:48:15Etienne FontanHey, we're just, we're hitting puffs. Whatever's puff go. I, you know, the sponsor gives me love. I can't get a hold of them, but they still get it.

3:48:25BubblemanDude, I never liked the proxy for a very long time. I had this sitting for a very, very long time. And when they sent, because I have the glass pipe and all this other stuff, I didn't like it. But this terracotta pipe with this in it is fucking so cool, dude. Like, it's just so cool.

3:48:48BubblemanI'm a fan.

3:48:50Etienne FontanI'm a fan. Yep. Easy to clean, easy to use. That's just what people are looking for, right? You don't want complicated. You don't want a whole bunch of weird tools. You know, don't get me wrong. If you see to my right, all the tools that I have, I'm obnoxious, but, you know, because I've collected the different generations of tools. Right. Over the years, all these different dabbers, dab equipments, you know.

3:49:14Etienne FontanYou have it all, dude. Bottom caps, you know. Yeah. Because I tested like you for other people all the time. And I'm happy to test because I'm a regular everyday user. And one of the things that I think we all hate is because, again, we spend quality money, right, to buy equipment. Thank you for watching.

3:49:52BubblemanDude, are we not smart? Why does it take us 20 years to figure shit out?

3:49:58Etienne FontanWell, the technology. We didn't have technology access or legal markets where people could feel like Jolly Roger and them figured out, okay, this is what's needed. It needs... Thank you for watching.

3:50:31Etienne FontanAnd again, how we've gone from nails to e-nails, then to, you know, induction and, you know, all these different apparatus. But yeah, in the past, we've seen innovations in the last five to 10 years specifically because Thank you for joining us.

3:51:15Etienne FontanCorrect. Yeah. You know, or, you know, and so that was how, again, we've evolved and how quickly, I mean, we've literally gone from the caveman in my lifetime where we were scraping off a coal to where literally, you know, and then hot knifing it, right? You know, oops, why is my tips of my knives have these funny colors, rainbow colors? Oh, hmm. You know, and then now here we are sitting here with little electronic gadgets that can get as high.

3:51:43Etienne FontanYou know, anywhere, everywhere, and concentrates in containers as well as refrigeration to the point where absolutely we have access to some of the best, most quality products and the intakes as humanly possible. But somebody right now is in their... In their basement, making something better. You know, we were like, what? Somebody using hair straighteners? That's impossible. How are we going to use hair straighteners to get fucking high?

3:52:15Etienne FontanAnd then we came on and then we all got together in Barcelona. We're like, holy shit, this works. And then people figured out what they figured out big squishers and they figured out better squishers and they figured out better temperatures and better paper and better ways to, you know, so remember it used to taste kind of like almost burnt. Now you get that terpene expression, right? People are pushing that innovation, right?

3:52:40Etienne FontanYep.

3:52:41BubblemanI will add to that that there are also people in their basements, if you're not that person in your basement currently making some unique, better thing. There are a lot of people in basements like puffing out of Coke cans right now and puffing out of like carrot pipes and apple pipes. And we all started somewhere, you know, maybe you made a little bong with a couple of pieces of bolts and nuts and a mason jar and some tubing.

3:53:09BubblemanIt's all just a fun little journey that we take in the how to get stoned in different ways with cannabis. What a long, strange trip it's been. I want to thank everyone for coming out today. I want to thank our sponsors, the Press Club for hooking up that big ass spoon or big fucking spoon, whatever I called that. And to HR Inc. I'll send you that email.

3:53:34BubblemanWe'll get you hooked up with them direct so you can pass them your address so they can get that to you. Shout out to Puffco for supplying our Puffables and our devices and Kind of normalizing dabs and hash smoking worldwide. I really like think that that is, you know, a lot of people chime in on the negative aspects of these electronic devices, but There are as important as these beverages we spoke about today from the perspective of normalizing dabs with everyday people and being able to see like this, this isn't like a bong and it's not even kind of a vaporizer.

3:54:14BubblemanLike it doesn't look like that big... Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:54:36BubblemanThank you to Bingo Lombardi and all the good folks and moderators that are in the room holding it down. Thank you to all the people who spent their Sunday morning and afternoon watching with us today. We love and appreciate you, of course. And next week, fingers crossed, we are going to do this aromatic volatile compound show. We'll see how it goes. We'll see you next week, everybody.

3:55:01BubblemanMay the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. Let's make it sooner.

3:55:06SpeakerPeace out, everybody.