Skunk Man's Howdy and Wade's Memorial

0:32BubblemanWe're live. Okay, wonderful. I wasn't sure it was going to work today because it didn't want to work yesterday. I'm not going to lie. Probably going to have me stand in there and looking like a bit of an idiot for a few minutes. It doesn't show me. It's got this weird delay, but welcome everyone to Hash Church. Let me make sure I turn that extra volume off.

0:58BubblemanHoly Christ. There we go. Sorry. I had three YouTube pages open and it was all my voice going back through. So first of all, and foremost, welcome to Hash Church. Season 11, episode 28. I do have something I'm going to try to do today. You guys can let me know if this works.

1:18SpeakerOne more.

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4:06BubblemanTrust Adlusum to light the way. Contact us today at adlusumlaw.com. And he is truly one of the only lawyers that will take a dab bigger than yours. So there's got to be something there. Welcome, Etienne Fontaine. I want to give you a big shout out, brother. Thank you so much for... Just for doing everything you did. Yeah, just for doing everything you do all the time. But just, you know, it was nice to see you hold court yesterday with all those wonderful people.

4:37BubblemanI love seeing Forrest right next to you. And just hearing nice things about Wade. I sat for two hours and listened to everything. We had difficulty with the audio. It was very echoey. But myself and Brian and Colin, we sat in here puffing dabs and listening to the stories and listening to the positivity. It was so nice to see Cameron and his mother. Get up there and speak about Wade.

5:02BubblemanThat was heart-wrenching for sure. And just everyone, you know, the love that the man put out was really an inspiration. And, you know, the more you find out about his life and the more you learn about him, like he was just like the rest of us. He was learning. He really became Wade laughter, you know, through all of the choices that he made throughout his life. And I think his selflessness is part of the part That we appreciate the most here on Hash Church.

5:29BubblemanAnd I also think, because I've been saying this a lot lately, that I just believe that the highest value a human can offer is their authenticity. And it's also simultaneously the thing that we're all the most afraid of. No one wants to stand out. No one wants to be unique. No one wants to be different. Unique is like the positive side of different. I don't want to be different.

5:54BubblemanWell, don't you want to be unique? There is no better ATN Fontaine than the one sitting in front of me right now. There never will be. There never has been. You are here right now, dude. And I just feel blessed to be able to share the world with you. And I really think that you and I need to get together again sooner than later and spend time in person because I never got to with Wade.

6:18Etienne FontanYeah, it was...

6:22Etienne FontanFirst off to Monica, nothing but love and support. That's Wade's widow.

6:30Etienne FontanHundreds of people came out. It was absolutely beautiful to watch. It was hot. But it was an honor just to be part of it. It was a privilege to be asked by Monica to moderate his life. So I did the best I could given what I had. It was a wing it sort of situation. But yeah, the outpouring of love and support from everybody was stellar. You know, Caleb, I saw Caleb was there.

7:01Etienne FontanHe came out, Caleb Chen. He had, of course, he's one of the judges of the state fair. So he ended up going that direction. But it was great meeting him. And I got to meet his future wife, his fiancee, which was really fucking cool.

7:17Etienne FontanAnd, oh, of course, I brought some books that I exchanged with them. Rob's wife wrote a book on hemp. So I shared that with him and another book called Grasslands, which is a kind of a photo documentation of growing up in the Emerald Triangle. Beautiful. But it was, yeah, it was humbling. I got to meet all kind of people. I got to see all kind of people I haven't seen in years.

7:44Etienne FontanQuite a few people came out to represent, especially the whole Nevada City community really came out strong. To share their love and support because of how much Wade had an impact. And it was wonderful, as you all heard, you know, to hear the different impact statements from, you know, family, friends, and yeah, especially the patients. I got to finally meet Silas. You know what I'm saying? You know how fucking cool that was?

8:14Etienne FontanHe was, you know, indifferent to you. Hey, how's it going? You know. But you know I was like kid you have no idea how proud I am to just see you here and alive and of course Forrest was a little late because he was trying to get him out the door, you know, typical teenager stuff. And that made us all giggle, you know, because, you know, how wonderful that, you know, Forrest gets to deal with normal as opposed to sheer and utter fucking chaos that, you know, he's had to deal with while his son had it.

8:45Etienne FontanAnd then to see other patients and testimonials come forward, it's a humbling reminder of the work that you do Thank you so much for joining us.

9:10Etienne FontanWhen you see an outpouring of that, there's no doubt you go, wow, that would be nice to have something like that if that were to happen to me, you know. So it was beautiful to see some people I hadn't seen, of course, since David's funeral, unfortunately. But I did get to see people like AC, Moon and others. I also got to make another David delivery. So another little thing off of my chest to get more of his ashes out there.

9:37Etienne FontanSo. My duty continues and I'm almost done with that. But it's definitely stressful. You know, handling your friend's ashes and making sure they get to where they need to be. One of those things you're just never taught in life will be a struggle you're going to deal with along the way.

9:59Etienne FontanIt was humbling. It was beautiful. Got to then, you know, smoke and share pipes with the Swami and various other people, which was just very nice to do after, you know, celebrating somebody else's life and mourning so hard. Everybody, you know, it was hard for everybody. Everybody was struggling. You know what I'm saying? Wade had that type of impact on people's lives. And a lot of people did not You know, one, want to believe that he's gone.

10:30Etienne FontanTwo, because of how driven his spirit was to the change. And it was beautiful to see an outpouring from the community to say, yeah, this man stood up for all of us, and we stood up with him, and we're proud of that. I mean, that's fucking rare, people. And it's... Beyond fucking beautiful.

10:53BubblemanWell, you got to do the work. It's not that it's rare. You got to do the work.

10:59Etienne FontanWell, it's not just work.

11:00SpeakerIt's a lot of sacrifices.

11:02Etienne FontanYou got to be the guy. You know how many people, how many beautiful people were like Wade sat there and gave me space. He was there with me. He was present with me. Time after time again, people spoke to his humble, beautiful nature and how he personally impacted them time after time after time and you could see how special his soul was to everybody who touched him.

11:32Etienne Fontanwho was touched by it and they came forward to reflect it and to speak towards it and many people came up afterwards thanking us for you know what we did but you know we also thank them for what they've done to make this a reality for where they are so it was um reassuring it was um absolutely humbling and beautiful and um I was honored to be just a small part of it.

12:00Etienne FontanAnd right now, it was wonderful to see the outpouring of support for Monica. And the community is going to be there for her because her life's not over. She's got a lot of life still in her and things to do. So it was wonderful to see the community's support and help and move forward and offer support in the future. And also people reassuring because she told me, My biggest regret is that once this is over, I'll know he's gone.

12:30Etienne FontanI heard that. And that fucking hits your soul so fucking hard. And so it was wonderful to see the outpouring of emotion of the locals to say, yeah, she's not forgotten. We're not going to forget her. We're going to make sure that she's taken care of. And that was beyond wonderful to hear. So sorry to belabor the point, but it was... Yeah, I left at 8 o'clock last night to get there and I got back at 10 o'clock last night.

12:58Etienne FontanSo it was a lot of driving, but it was well worth it. And I thank my support human, Mike Davis, who came along with me. Our VAC members and Asaya Gonzalez and other VAC members, Veterans Action Council members were there to help share in the responsibility and the love load. So it was

13:22Etienne FontanSomething we all hated to see each other under those circumstances. But it's under these circumstances we need each other. So it was wonderful to be there for each other and support. So yeah, thank you once again for broadcasting it and letting the world and the hash community see. Sorry I couldn't check in with everybody. It was a hella emotional day and dealing with I was really in it.

13:48Etienne FontanAnd yeah, it was, you know, wonderful.

13:54BubblemanWell, I'm glad you pulled it off and definitely a huge, huge love send out to Monica. Obviously, the Hash Church community is going to be there to support you as well as the Veterans Action Council and all the other communities you have. Same to Diana in Amsterdam. Don't ever forget that you have this community. I know you're in the chat right now, but we love you dearly.

14:14BubblemanWe're here for you. We know that things aren't just suddenly hunky dory for you either. Sam's only been gone since January and I wasn't with him for 54 years and it left a pretty big hole in my life. So I can only imagine that Diana could obviously still use our support as can Monica. And there's been some incredible people, Ryan Lee from the community, Chimera just stepping up and really being there for her.

14:41BubblemanSo I know that that will be true as well for Monica and that anything either of you need or, you know, need help with, please don't ever hesitate to reach out to me directly, to anyone in the community that's interested. I can offer that help. I definitely want to welcome from the Yanking Roots, Paul and Calmer, who just popped into the room. Yanking Roots, how are you doing there, buddy?

15:08Collin PalmerI'm beautiful today, man. Just thinking about Wade this morning a lot. And yesterday was really touching in so many different ways. I was thinking about there was a... There's a quote that Wade, someone said that Wade had mentioned, I think very loudly throughout his whole life was that we've never legalized cannabis, we only commercialized it. And that kind of hit me like a ton of bricks because it's the truth.

15:40Collin PalmerI mean, it really, it was just such a profound drop the mic statement. And it just highlights how much work we all have to do to keep fighting cannabis. For what we believe in and what we know. And Wade was such a like a torch, just like Sam, you know, Sam to me was like this academic wizard that inspired me. And Wade on the flip side was this to the roots, bone to the roots, to the bone.

16:14Collin PalmerIn the same light, you know, so hardcore. Um, and it's, it's inspiring in the same ways, you know, and, and that's, that's, I think the unique part about Wade to me is that he really, um, he lifted people up when he had literally the last gram, right? He was like, you need to have this gram. And that's something, you know, you can live by through your own work is, is making sure that those around you have the last gram.

16:45Collin PalmerCause you know what, you're going to grow more. You know, and that's that's understanding yourself and the medicine in a really dynamic way. Most people would say, I need to roll that for myself, you know, but Wade was was the opposite. So I felt like I continued to kind of learn from through others, through him when that quote came up. And it reminded me that people are not gone.

17:14Collin PalmerThey're still here. And they're living through others. And that was a great example. I thought of that, you know, by being able to to share that so beautifully during that speech. Again, it just kind of struck me like like a like lightning. Because it was. I think we're all going through it with this this idea of cannabis being legal, you know, still all these years later. So but but yeah, I'm doing great.

17:45Collin PalmerI'm psyched for what I got going on and just blessed to be here and blessed to be able to share. Thanks for holding space, brother.

17:56BubblemanI'm not always happy to have you. Always happy to have you. We had Wade spoke. There was a couple of hash churches where Wade at the end would finish off. And it was really not coming through clear at all yesterday. So I am going to be editing that video into the end of the stream.

18:20SpeakerIt came through clear, brother.

18:22Etienne FontanFor those that were there, oh, absolutely. It was not a dry eye in the house.

18:28BubblemanI just mean audio-wise for the stream. It was very much like, remember Charlie Brown's Teacher?

18:34Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:37BubblemanSo what I'm going to do is on the video only, I'll go back and I'll just edit the video on YouTube and I'll cut the actual video that I supplied to them that they played live. I'll be putting that into that video yesterday. If you missed it, the stream was up. Colin, myself, and Best Friend Farms, Brian, were all there. You should send him a text, Colin, and get Brian in here.

19:00BubblemanI should, yeah. Yeah. For sure. It was nice for him to show up. It was one of those Zoom calls where none of us really spoke. We were obviously listening the whole time. We were typing a little bit, but mostly just listening. I also wanted to shout out Maggie for helping organize that whole thing yesterday. You did an incredible job. You're really helpful. Thank you so much for the little bit of support that you were able to give me in regards to getting that microphone working and everything and just...

19:30BubblemanYeah, everyone did a great job. It was really nice to see. And like Etienne said, what more could you ask for, you know, at the end of your experience, at the end of your life to have so many people just saying so many authentically nice things like that was not virtue signaling. That was the real deal. People were, you know, you could feel the love. You could legitimately feel love.

19:56BubblemanThe love.

19:58Etienne FontanDon't get funerals like that, right? You usually are very somber, etc. And don't get me wrong, it was. And people are and were. But yeah, Maggie, everybody stepped up, rose to the occasion. The support network around, you know, Kim, Swami, and everybody around Monica. Yeah, it was just an outpouring of nothing but support. And, you know... Colin, you're exactly right. Yesterday was a constant reminder, just as when Dave passed, that, you know, the torch is still there.

20:35Etienne FontanSomebody still has to hoist it. Somebody still has to lift it. And that's our jobs, right? Or has been our jobs. And that's why we talk about it is because you people who are watching this, you need to get involved. You need to get off your asses. You need to participate. You know, we raised this child of cannabis, right? And we did the best we could, but we were just a bunch of visionaries hoping to eventually be here.

21:00Etienne FontanWe never expected to catch the car, right? What I'm saying, if we were dog chasing the car, we never expected to catch the car. Well, goddamn, did we ever catch that fucking car and it ran us the fuck over, right? And all of us are not happy, as I've said before, with that child that we've raised. It's kind of it's an asshole. It's not what we envisioned.

21:20Etienne FontanYou know, we had this beautiful, smart, intelligent child that had a lot of good heart that was going to do everything properly. And fuck all if we didn't do that wrong. And, you know, we have our share of responsibility in it, but also eternal vigilance is a price of our liberty. And part of that participation is you getting off your ass and participating and getting active to the point where you're affecting change or helping people affect change.

21:50Etienne FontanOtherwise, if we continue to settle for what we have, we're going to continue to settle for what we have. This is where we have to, again, rise to the occasion, step up, go beyond just talk and put talk to action so that we can finally raise the child that we want to see, right? Otherwise, we're just going to continue with what we have. And right now, We're fucked in America for the next three plus years.

22:18Etienne FontanThere's nothing happening at the national level. Everything's going to be happening at the state levels. Okay. All the national organizations I've met with all of them within the past couple of months. Nobody believes anything is going to happen at the national level in the United States. Everybody is focusing inward in their own states and trying to make it and better it. Here in California, we're fucked. I just got another 5% tax in the city of Berkeley and I got another 4% tax due to the state of California.

22:48Etienne FontanSo now I'm dealing at 43% tax rate just in California alone.

22:55BubblemanWell, you're almost at the Canadian tax rate for just people.

22:59Etienne FontanI know, we're doing our best to catch your fucking asses.

23:02Collin PalmerI'm holding my end up. I got questions for you now. So as a retailer, what are you seeing from a consumer point of view? Is it less consumers?

23:15Etienne FontanOr yeah, oh yeah, less consumers because again, less buying, like when they come in, they're buying less. Like what is, or is it both? Like it's both. Well, not only are they buying less, they're also the price points have come down. Okay. So those, those larger margins and all those other things that have been in the past, Thank you for joining us.

23:48Etienne FontanWhat we started off with BPG, which was charitable giving, creating Americans for Safe Access, National Cannabis Industry, all these other organizations we have funded. Not only did we fund them, we funded their, you know, payrolls, their turning on the lights and paying electricity and buying the computers and all those things, right? Those are major ancillary things that donors did not have the monies for, so... companies like us when we had profits we put those profits into that well we no longer have those profits we no longer have that access but it doesn't stop our activism or engaging you know we were lobbying our city council this week for that change because i've been promised by my city council member that he was going to get it done and he as soon as he got elected he dropped it like a hot potato so what does that mean Going in and lobbying and working for that change locally, changing the taxation locally so I can remove that at least, right?

24:40Etienne FontanThere's things happening at the state level. So people are involved at state politics trying to change the system. The problem, Colin, and a major problem is, is that the products that were available in my dispensary are now available at BevMo. They're now available at Total Wines and More. So as opposed to paying, you know, $10 for that spritzers at my BPG, they'll rather go pay $5.99. At BevMo, right?

25:06Etienne FontanAnd they don't have to deal with having a card. They don't have to have with showing ID. They just do the regular things that they do. So the confusion of this current hemp bill has only confused the consumer, but it's also turned on the consumer to products and product lines that they would have never had the access because they never had the chance to get a card, go into a dispenser or to frayed, stigmatized, whichever.

25:30Etienne FontanSo we have a shift in the mentality of and people trying and wanting these products now to the point where the alcohol industry is now having to step up saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, they're taking too much of a hit. So Right now, currently, there is a bill in Congress, in the Senate, that just passed that is going to close the loophole so all these THC CBD drinks go away.

25:54Etienne FontanNow, the key part that's in that is they're giving it a one-year sunset. So that's the twist that we found out this week, is that they're going to give them a year to get all that stuff off the shelves, okay? They can't do it immediately because, of course, the DEA immediately wants to start kicking heads in because they've been Literally hand tied by the farm bill. And once that's released, the drug war is coming back and it's going to be fucking ugly.

26:20Etienne FontanExactly what we saw this week with Glasshouse, the type of intimidations and stuff that are going to happen. So you as a consumer get active, you know, do what we did back in the 90s and the aughts. Make signs, have signs ready. So when people get busted, you've got signs stashed all over the city so people can come out and bring those signs out. It's back to old school activism by participating locally.

26:44Etienne FontanWhen things happen, you have to react, right? So there's a lot of things you can do, but a lot of things, again, are outside of our control, like this hemp bill or the same hemp bill is pretty much being replicated at the state level. We've seen other states already shut down their CBD markets or THCA markets. And more of that's coming as the ramping up. So consumers, what can you do?

27:10Etienne FontanWell, if you like your drinks and other things like that, well, you need to call your Congress, you need to call your local state representatives and talk to them about what you're seeing. That you, i.e., like these things on your shelves, or i.e., I don't like these things on my shelf because I can't get them at my dispensary because they're only available at Total Wines and More.

27:27Etienne FontanThat's a total shift in dynamic and access that we never had. However, that's the normalization we all wanted. We never expected, let me just clarify people, we as dispensary people, we created this to be a temporary thing. We never expected this to be permanent. So we expected to eventually go away because we expected it to be normalized to the point where, where do you get your alcohol and your cigarettes?

27:51Etienne FontanLocal convenience stores even, right? So eventually it's going to be that way. It isn't going to be all hidden away. We wanted it normalized and it already kind of is. So we've seen that shift now, right? Pandora's out of her box. Now, how do we get that back in? A year of winding that down? You really think that's going to turn off the consumers to those drinks that made them switch that doesn't give them that hangover from alcohol that they had?

28:18Etienne FontanThey like the no hangovers. They're total, right? Everybody I know is like, you know, I like this stuff because the next day I can actually function and go about my day as opposed to, you know, how many days did it take to you to deal with a hangover? It can be one to two days depending on how severe it is to get back to normal, right? Whereas with cannabis, they don't have these problems and that Gen Z for sure loves that it doesn't have that problem because they can function and continue and do their jobs and works and lives.

28:48Etienne FontanWhereas alcohol debilitated to a point where they had to recover for literally a day hidden. You know, and calorie intakes and all that sort of stuff just to combine with, which is that whole binge situation that we do due to not responsible alcohol use, right? Whereas it's easily to have responsible cannabis use. What's the worst thing that's gonna happen? You're gonna fall asleep. You know, you're going to have a great night's sleep, things like that.

29:15Etienne FontanSo there's a lot to that, Colin. It's not a simple answer in the sense. However, there's a lot of places where people could plug in and get active and get involved. There's normal, there's local organizations within your state, there's cannabis organizations that you could join, belong to. Thank you for joining us today.

30:02Etienne FontanAnd how do we educate them to the point to where they feel the need to get active? And this is, I think we're at that tipping point.

30:09BubblemanWell, Pandora's box is certainly not getting closed up here in Canada. There's just no way it's happening. Federal legalization is secured. I will say that what I saw when federal legalization happened in 2017, you know, just like the people Everyone got a license to protect themselves from the law, which, you know, didn't really work out for patients. It convoluted patients. It diluted It left a bad taste in my mouth here in Canada.

30:42BubblemanDid I go get a license to protect myself? Of course I did. Am I a medical cannabis user? Of course I am. Did I sell my cannabis in the black market? No, I didn't. That was the one thing I didn't do because I felt like I would give some away, but I just kind of keep it for myself and make cash. I would say 99% of people who had licenses in Canada were growing for the black or gray market.

31:06BubblemanWhich is fine. I'm not, I'm all about access to all cannabis. But what I saw was the same thing when legal, when medical cannabis with Hillary kind of, you know, she started creating the Compassion Club and it built into what it built into. What I saw was every company wanted to serve patients. They all wanted to have the most patients. They all wanted to have the biggest, you know, like, oh, we've got a thousand, we've got 2000, we've got 5000 patients.

31:30BubblemanThe second legalization came through for recreationally, they dropped those patients like a hot potato because dealing with patients is so much more difficult than dealing with a recreational purchaser. Someone who's going to walk into a gas station and buy a vape pen versus someone like Forrest who has Silas, like it's just not the same. There's a more intense situation when you're a patient and you need to use cannabis.

31:58BubblemanThere's less You know, you're just not going to put up with the bullshit. You don't want to hear it. You're like, look, this is my life. This is this is super. This is my son's life. This is super important. So I just saw tons of companies just drop patients like a hot potato and just go recreational. Like all they were waiting for was recreation, but they were pumping the medical like they were a big medical, you know.

32:22BubblemanYou know, company that was going to take care of all these patients, even Shoppers Drug Mart, part of Loblaws, a $55 billion company dropped their medical cannabis program. You know, they they're not even doing it anymore. So it's kind of a sad situation up here in Canada. I will say this, Etienne, be careful fighting for legalization and for, you know, access the way we ended up getting it.

32:50BubblemanBecause yes, patients now can just go buy recreational cannabis everywhere. It's literally there's thousands of stores across Canada that have it. But, you know, they don't have that same white glove service. They're no longer being cared for in the same way. There's no, you know, it's very different. The work that you do, all of that invisible stuff, all of that research and the testing and the setting everything up for the safety of the patient is not as, I mean, look, we sell everything.

33:21BubblemanI had this conversation with Richard Rose the other day. He mentioned something about cannabis being in gas stations and not being safe and Delta aid and this, that, and the other thing. And I said, dude, I hear you. I hear you. But you have to understand this is in a country where they're selling alcohol as the number one recreational drug. It's the most dangerous drug. It kills more people than all illegal and legal drugs combined annually.

33:48BubblemanAnd it's available on every street corner and at every restaurant. So why the fuck would they care about making cannabis safe when you could just sell spice at the gas stations? And I swear they wouldn't care too much that and radioactive tobacco, radium 226 sprayed right on the tobacco that you're inhaling into your lungs, polonium and lead 210, also a recreational drug and for sure gives you cancer.

34:15BubblemanRecreational drugs are not safe. They're not secure. You know, that's what medical cannabis was supposed to be. You could surely grow cannabis in a non-regulated way and make it a dangerous product. There's all sorts of products. Here in Canada, they spray it with pylon. Like more pylon than you could possibly imagine getting sprayed onto these plants. I was in a 1500 lighter recently and I was just like, what is that smell?

34:42BubblemanAnd he's like, oh, they're spraying pylon. I left immediately and I thought all of those people who were working in that room, not just breathing it in, no, no air masks, no nothing, just getting exposed to pylon on a daily basis. And then, you know, trimming it all out so people could smoke it and inhale it into their lungs. You know, when I first started in with as cannabis became legal, there was this, you know, there was this sort of group of legal cannabis chads that would be like, oh, yeah, you have to buy legal cannabis.

35:14BubblemanIllegal cannabis is so dangerous. And I was like, well, I lived off illegal cannabis for 25 years. What are you talking about? It was so dangerous. And then I started realizing some of the chemicals that were being sprayed on these plants, fungicides, pesticides, systemic poisons, you know, Avid, Eagle 20, on and on and on the list goes, glyphosate, glyphosate, like on and on and on the list goes of the things that people will spray on this plant.

35:42BubblemanAnd yeah, it's, it's not good for sure. Welcome to Dr. David Allen, who's popped in for a little visit on Hash Church. How you doing today, buddy?

35:53SpeakerMorning, Marcus. How you doing, bud?

35:55BubblemanI'm doing okay, you know, we celebrated Wade Laughter's life yesterday in California, in Nevada City, and we streamed it here and spoke about that a little bit this morning and just, you know, just trying to be more like, I want to be more like Wade and I want to be more like Sam. And when Etienne tells you to get up off your ass and go out and do something and you question and you say, well, Etienne, what should I do?

36:19BubblemanI have the answer. Be like Wade, be like Sam. If you can't figure it out from there, I can't help you anymore, but if you can figure it out from there, be like Wade and be like Sam. If you can be a little bit like both of those giants whose shoulders we were lucky enough to stand on for all these years, I think you will find the way in a big way.

36:42BubblemanAnd yeah, be like Dr. David Allen as well, because he's fighting the good fight over there as well.

36:52BubblemanStrawberry lemonade on my fingers. That is some nice tasty goodness.

36:58Etienne FontanI think that's a great point because people are wondering, well, how do I get involved? How do I do what I do? Well, you know, just get active, you know, sometimes just getting on a mailing list, right? And then learning what events are out there and then going to those events and showing up, you know, volunteering, you know, that's what we all do. We all volunteer our time.

37:19Etienne FontanNone of us are paid activists, right? You know, of course, our jobs and things that we do are for sure doing that. But each one of us has chosen to step outside of our comfort zones, outside of necessarily, you know, where we would prefer to be, you know, because, yeah, nobody necessarily wanted to be here to do these sort of things. It was the Jacks, the Dennis's.

37:47Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us today.

38:04Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

38:23Etienne FontanAnd by being around them, you can find your motivation, find your voice and contribute accordingly. But it takes a little bit of brevity. You know, you're going to have to take that step. You're going to have to be uncomfortable. And just so you know, all of us, when we start off something new, we all suck at it. We all suck when we start. I sucked when I started speaking at rallies.

38:47Etienne FontanI sucked when I was out initially selling cannabis. But I got up every fucking day and did it again and again. And I got better at it by listening and learning from others to the point where next thing I know, I mastered it and was teaching others to do the same. So once you master it, It's just that kind of same thing I did in the army.

39:04Etienne FontanOnce I mastered artillery in war, I wanted to do something else. And the military is like, no, no, no, son, you don't understand. You know how to do this now better than anyone. So we need you to teach this. Right? And so that's what you do, right? I went to Oakstradam University and I taught people how to, you know, do the things regarding that because that's what teachers taught me to do.

39:25Etienne FontanSo, you know, I met somebody yesterday who's like, oh yeah, I teach at Oakstradam University now. I'm like, oh, that's great. I used to do that back in 08 and 09. That's a great tradition. You know what I'm saying? That's a great thing to have on your resume. That's stepping outside of your comfortability, contributing somewhere, educating countless others, Because I used to teach 50 to 100 people in a class.

39:48Etienne FontanAnd then I would get done right at lunch. And then I would spend the next hour hanging out with the class and answering their questions. Because why? I own an operated dispensary. And one of the things they wanted to do was own an operated dispensary. And you know what thing they couldn't do? Was ask somebody who was doing it how to do it. And that's what I did is I sat there and I gave my free time and explained how I did what I did.

40:12Etienne FontanAnd you know what? So those people that I taught are now running dispensaries and they contact me and say, you know what? Hey, thank you. I was, you know, you may not remember this, but I was in your class and this is what I'm doing now. And let me tell you, brothers and sisters, There's no money that they can pay you for that type of fucking satisfaction and that type of feeling.

40:32Etienne FontanWhen somebody comes to you and says, Bubble Man, I took your bags and look at this, what I made. I made the most amazing hash I ever made. And it's thanks to you. I mean, don't get me wrong. They did their work. But at the same time, you provided them the tool and the education. And what did they do? They took it and they listened. And then not only did they listen, they were able to achieve.

40:56Etienne FontanAnd I can't tell you, Marcus, how, you know, or maybe you can explain how absolutely satisfying it is when somebody takes your creation and makes something beautiful themselves from it that nobody else could have done except themselves. And that's amazing. That's amazing.

41:13BubblemanIt's amazing. It's the greatest thing ever. When you said you had learned about artillery and then you had to start teaching it and then you went right into teaching at Oakstradam, I thought you were going to be teaching artillery at Oakstradam. Boom, boom. Sure it is though, right? All right, today we're going to be learning about the F-17s. Oh my goodness. That's awesome.

41:37Collin PalmerGo ahead, Colin. Well, I think, you know, I remember being excited in like 1999, 2000. And I was just getting to know you around that time. And then once I got to know you, every time I had some proliferation, I was trying to reach out to you and be like, dude, I made this stuff. And it's because of you. And it's this exchange of excitement. That I, at least I got because I felt like I was learning from, from you, Marcus, at the time and asking questions.

42:14Collin PalmerI remember specifically asking, I like, it was snowing out and I decided to use snow and you're like, dude, don't use snow. You know what I mean? And it's like, and this is like 2002 or something. You know what I mean? And it's like, I got no yield. You know what I mean? I got no yield. And I couldn't figure out why. And now all these years later, we all know why.

42:35Collin PalmerYou know what I mean? But in that moment, it was like just really nice to have someone to look to and express my excitement to and in turn see Marcus's excitement. And then also his like, hey, do more of this, less of that. um that was at the time i still remember that those moments where i would be online and be like dude i grew this plan and you know at the time i was really infatuated with just growing the best resin and then it's over time it shifted to making the best resin in the lab for me and um you know it it it just was nice to have that camaraderie it felt you know it felt like a a A secret friend that understood me, you know, like understood what I was like really excited about.

43:24Collin PalmerAnd yeah, it just, you know, those are those are really unique things, I think, and special, you know, it's priceless motivation, right?

43:32Etienne FontanYeah, it really is reassurement, right? Because you're you're wondering, am I fucking this up? Am I doing it right? Because there's no book for what you're doing, right?

43:40Collin PalmerDude, especially at the time, there was no there wasn't even like really instructions. Like I remember. You remember Scott, Scott, Marcus, are you talking to him from PA? And I remember making hash with him one time and we like put the bags in all wrong. This is like 2000 or something. Like seriously, like just totally backwards. Sounds about right. I'm like pulling it and I'm like, well, there's like nothing in there.

44:04Collin PalmerLike what's up? And then you finally get, you know, you finally figure it out. You're like, I just did this in complete reverse. And then you redo it all. And, you know, it's just through this trial and error at the time. And these are just moments in time that I'll never forget because there was just no one to ask. There was no one, there was no information, you know?

44:24Collin PalmerSo having you and others on the forum like that around that were just as excited as we all were to learn about this, these techniques. Yeah, it just, I don't know. It's just really unique and special. I really, I cherish all of that really, really intimately, to be honest, I really do. Yeah. It's a, yeah, it's so nice. I mean, we never had this ability to talk like this, you know, we didn't show our faces, you know, we, we really didn't.

44:58Collin PalmerI remember being so scared. I know you did brother, but man, I, it was like, you had steel swinging between your legs brother.

45:09BubblemanPeople were like, Bubble Man has to be the DEA. There's no way. There's no way this fucking guy is doing what he's doing. And then people would be like, no, man, he's not the DEA. He's a Canadian. And then they'd be like, oh, oh, shit, he's a Canadian. Oh. I'm like, yeah, dude, because it's like, literally, I'll tell you, I don't know. And I'm not trying to throw the DEA under the bus here.

45:34BubblemanBut I don't know how bad you have to be at your job. I was a nobody Canadian who just started a company and ended up with thousands and thousands of growers and hash makers, addresses and phone numbers. You would not believe how often they would give me the... Thank you so much for joining us.

46:16BubblemanYou can deny this or agree with this, but to me, the DEA was always about one thing. They were all about destroying trust within whatever community they were in. It was to destroy trust. How would they do that? They would bust you and then threaten you with 40 years in prison. And then if you were a somewhat thinking human being, you'd be like, ooh. Well, I can't do 40 years in prison.

46:40BubblemanSo then you do the next thing, which was like tell on your partners, which countless people did. And then you get these people like, oh, fucking snitches, fucking rats. It's like, bro was faced with 40 years. He's got kids and a family. Like, what are you talking about? We're not gangsters. This isn't some like gang that we're all in. Nobody wants to serve 40 years in prison.

47:02BubblemanRick DeLisi's father served 40 32 years in prison. This is fucking insane. I mean, Dr. Allen, they probably wanted to put you in fucking prison for 30 years.

47:19SpeakerYeah. They were trying to give me 30, 35 years was the deal they offered me. That was Kamala? Yeah, with Kamala, the Drug Task Force said if I pled guilty, that they would only give me 35 years. I said, let's go to court.

47:39BubblemanFuck, I'm so glad you did, buddy. Holy shit. You're one of the few stories, you know, you took hits. There's no doubt about that you took hits. You are a drug war veteran. I won't deny that. But you also somehow managed to fucking evade and shield and like get out from under like the ultimate vampire attack. Yeah. That's crazy, man. You definitely have a crazy story. I met Dr. Allen, my goodness, it must be like maybe 15 years ago.

48:13BubblemanHe was sitting right here in this very chair.

48:18BubblemanWe did a video. Do you remember that with Mark Clokey? With Romeo. And Romeo, yes, you always had Romeo. I might have even met you at the Tokers Bowls. Did you go to the Tokers Bowls, Mark Emery's Tokers Bowls events?

48:33SpeakerI think so, yeah.

48:34BubblemanYeah, crazy, hey? I think so. This is what happens as you amass 50 to 60 to 70 years of life. It's hard to remember all the details. I'm definitely there. I barely remember the Tokers Bowls, but I do remember they were some of the funnest events I had ever been to, which, of course, lots of people don't want me to say because it's Mark Emery. But I'm like, man, Mark knew how to throw a party.

49:01BubblemanThere's no doubt about that.

49:06BubblemanDragonfly Earth Medicine in the house. I believe they have like a group of people over there right now. I think Chimera's over there. I think Natasha Reese is over there with her hubby. Oh, I see Josh puffing a fatty. I see a ball. I see a Chimera head. Hey, buddy.

49:25Etienne FontanHey, Caleb came in too. I want to shout out Caleb. Caleb!

49:30SpeakerHello, hello. How are you, man?

49:33BubblemanPuffing on a chillum? Is that what that is? You're puffing on? What is that? Electronic chillum? What is that?

49:38SpeakerIt's just a DynaVap with the induction heating wand.

49:41Collin PalmerOh, okay. Looks sick, man. Where'd you pick that up?

49:48SpeakerI've actually had the DynaVap for like five, six years, and then I just got this from Luna Stour.

49:55Collin PalmerOh, sick.

49:58BubblemanYeah, shout out to Luna. She's such a great person. I never met Luna. The last time I saw her, in fact, she gave me this.

50:10SpeakerThe wand. That's exactly what I'm using. And I just saw ATN with his yesterday.

50:15BubblemanSo I should crack this open, eh?

50:19Etienne FontanYeah, yeah. If you've got a DynaVap, it's excellent for it. You know, charge it up. I have a DynaVap. Set it to about 350, 320 and, you know, go for it. What temp do you do, Caleb? What do you like it at? Probably toward the hotter end or what?

50:33SpeakerI actually have it set to 250 so I can really not get burned.

50:39Etienne FontanSippy, sippy. Turpy sippies. Okay.

50:41BubblemanAnd what are you vaping on it?

50:43SpeakerIt is... Just flower right now. And I'm actually like going through a flight that Mojave gave me. So I've been trying like the original Sage, the parent to the Zeta, and it's been blowing my mind. It's amazing. Terpentoline in it. Yeah, not like anything that's out on the market.

51:07BubblemanI can't find my DynaVap, but I know I have one somewhere. He gave me a real nice one the last time I bumped into him in, I think, Barcelona. When you're not looking for it, that's when you'll find it. Yeah, dude, I have such a mess of shit. This is shit people have sent me.

51:28Collin PalmerLove it.

51:29BubblemanIt's just like a 10 foot or 10 foot shelf. Yeah, it gets it gets caught up in there. Holy shit. Welcome, Dragonfly Earth Medicine. How are you guys doing?

51:43SpeakerWe're saying you have a lot of stock there to give away.

51:46BubblemanI'm actually giving away a set of bubble bags today. Wow.

51:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNice.

51:50BubblemanYeah, they're just little ones. They're two gallons, but it is an eight bag kit. And I think bubble bags will always bring me happiness. The softness of the outer shell and the colors of the bags. It's funny when I think my manager made this. And someone was like, oh, wow, you're like, bubble bags is big for the LGBTQ community. And I was like, no, I didn't. I was like, I mean, maybe we are.

52:19BubblemanSure, yeah, sure. But really, we are, those are the bubble bags. So it's like blue, green, that's 220, 190, 160, 120, 90, 73, 45, and 25.

52:31Etienne FontanYeah, just so you know, people, there is no black line in the pride flag. So that's how you know.

52:38SpeakerYou know, I'm not getting paid to say this, but I do. The bubble bags are great. They're a great product. They always have been.

52:46Etienne FontanI had the first set of bags sewn up by Marcus's wife.

52:50SpeakerYou did. And I think I still have one of the bags of those somewhere.

52:54BubblemanI have my set as well sewn by her as well.

52:58SpeakerIt's been an incredible product. And they're the bags that I use. There you go.

53:03BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, you were a unique individual in the sense that not everyone that used bubble bags the first time got amazing material out of them. In fact, that wasn't the case at all. There was a hugely disproportionate amount of people who were getting... I get this question all the time. Hey, um... How do we get my hash to melt like yours? It's dry and sandy and it won't stick together no matter, no matter.

53:31BubblemanI'm like, oh my God, this guy's literally describing to me that he grew shitty resin. And now I have to tell him that he grew shitty resin, which was very awkward and difficult to kind of tell people. Like, I think at the time, BHO, Indra had just released the BHO as I was popularizing the bags because the bags came out with Mila in 98. Just a few months towards the end of 98 and then boom into Bubble Bags 99 of March.

53:57BubblemanIndra was February of 99 on uroa.org releasing the, nice Etienne, releasing the butane method. And what I noticed was that disproportionate group of people who were making hash with my bags that didn't get the hash they wanted, the melty gooey, Instead of going down the pathway that I was telling them was the ideal pathway, which was to learn about growing, learn about living soil, learn about all these relationships, learn about the fungi intelligence of the mycorrhizosphere, just like pointing them in the direction of basically a 20 to 30 year journey.

54:35BubblemanMost of them were like, ah, yeah, no, I'm just going to blast it. And then they blast it with like, you know, ethyl mercaptan rich fucking canned butane from the 7-Eleven. And, you know, now they had this beautiful, golden, super potent, like I can only imagine, I get it. Like, it's just, I get how much people loved it. It was just such a crazy bummer that, and so you were in that very small percentage of people who put your shit into the bags and got like full mount fire out.

55:07BubblemanSo everyone that was on your side of the fence, which was a much smaller side of the fence, they love bubble bags to this day. And then, you know, less of the other side, because those people eventually, you know, butane was popular, popular, popular. It was building and building and building. And then, you know, Johnny did that show called The Death of BHO, which was rosin. And it really was the death of BHO, because if you want a convenient, easy, and safe way to make dabs from your mediocre material, Well, Rosen is going to be the best that there is.

55:38BubblemanYou're not going to beat that. And you're not blowing up. So no more high school kids blowing their hands off or setting fire to the house or buddy blowing his pregnant girlfriend out the second story floor of his apartment in Surrey, blew the whole wall off of the fucking apartment and blew his pregnant girlfriend out of the apartment down. Yeah, yeah. So, and by no means am I saying that those of you who are doing the Chris Phillipses and the, you know, the people who are doing BHO extraction, of course I would fight for your right to do BHO extraction.

56:12BubblemanOf course it has a place in the cannabis industry. People have an affinity for it. It's a cheaper way to get quality resin into people. But, People shouldn't be doing it on their own, especially people that failed grade 10 chemistry with zero understanding that the plugs in your wall are sparking all the time. If you got a microscope into the plug, you'd see little sparks just arcing and sparking.

56:41BubblemanAnd if you don't know that, and then butane is a heavy gas. It sinks, it goes down, it pools around the ground, around, you know, like, 18 to 24 inches off the ground. It's just pooling. And so this is all just dangerous. And the rosin method was a way better way. I still to this day say that the majority of beautiful rosin is by no means pressed with six star bubble hash.

57:05BubblemanYou can press a four star and make something that most heads will be impressed with. If you're, you know, if you take a five star, well, a five and a six star, it's like making Piatella with it. It doesn't matter what you do with it. It's already at such a high caliber that you could twist it into a bow and call it Bowtech. And I'd be like, oh, dude, that Bowtech hash was fucking insane.

57:26BubblemanWell, because the hash itself was insane. Thank you so much for joining us.

57:50BubblemanI ever smoked. Well, yeah, guess what? Six star full mouth bubble hash or dry sift is the best hash that you'll ever smoke. It doesn't matter what you do afterwards to it. My two cents.

58:03Etienne FontanAnd then afterwards, you can take your bubble man bag and make it into an emergency toque.

58:08Collin PalmerYeah, but but I think what you just said, Marcus, is if if you if you make high enough quality, it's unmistakably. Amazing. And you have no reason to look at anything else. I know that that was what it was for me.

58:21SpeakerLike, I still have this kit here with, remember this bag set, Marcus? Yes. Yeah, yeah.

58:27Collin PalmerYeah, yeah. The sock. Yeah, the sock one. Like, this bag set to me changed my life. Like, that's why I still have it is because I learned how to make what, you know, the hash that I still make today.

58:39BubblemanThat's an O3 kit, I believe.

58:44Collin PalmerYeah, this is, it makes sense because when we were first making hash, sure, it was pretty good, but it wasn't until I started like, Doing it outside at night when it was cold and like it just became the caliber of hash became like that much better, you know, and the drying techniques were getting better, right? Anyway, it was just like a moment in time, you know, I just really respect it and forever we'll cherish that moment of looking.

59:16BubblemanIf you hold that bag up, that's a blue 25 micron sock. So my son, my son was born in 2003. And that was kind of Mark Rose's design. I never really liked it. I was always like, dude, stop changing the design. Just make it a normal bag. Yeah, that was the 25 bag, the sock that he designed years ago. So in 2001, that bag was pink.

59:43BubblemanWhich was to represent the birth of my daughter Trinity. And that one is 2003 to represent the birth of my son Tosh.

59:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNice. There you go. That's good. The story woven into the bags.

59:57BubblemanAnd yes, I'm giving these away in the next, let's say at 11 o'clock.

1:00:01Etienne FontanAnd people are asking, people are asking, how do I enter? So Marcus, how do they enter to win those bags?

1:00:08BubblemanYou can't. I'm not telling you how to enter. That's the whole trick. No, I'm totally joking. How you enter is by literally typing shit into the chat. So at 11, when I go live and I open up Nightbot, And I changed my screen to show all of you guys typing. You'll see that it'll say, right when I start it, we'll have 15 minutes to collect as many names as possible before they start getting wiped off the list.

1:00:32BubblemanIt only collects the names that are typing for 15 minutes. And then I can push choose a winner, and we'll give these bags away. I also think we're going to do a small Puff Co., Sorry, not Puffco, Press Club giveaway as well. I don't know what that'll be. It might be a sample of screens. It could be their really cool spoon that I have here somewhere. But I want to do those as two separate.

1:00:57BubblemanSo it won't be one winner for that. It'll be two separate winners. And that's fun to give stuff away. I mean, man, I could only imagine just being a random dude listening to Hash Church. Fuck, Bingo Lombardi is funny today, dude. I look over at the screen and he goes, fucking rookies. I don't know if you guys remember, but we had this amazing troll who trolled Hash Church.

1:01:20BubblemanHe was sending me emails and he was like, you guys are lightweights, lightweight amateurs. You don't even inject psilocybin into your veins. That was just a little piece. Of what he was saying. And at first it was kind of like, who the fuck is this guy? But then I started reading all of his emails on the show and they were so fucking brilliant. They were like comedic gold, like truly comedic gold.

1:01:45BubblemanSo wherever you are, dude, shout out to you. He'd just be like fucking amateurs.

1:01:52Etienne FontanThat's fine. So good. So good. I'm going to stay on the sidelines for a minute. You're injecting any psilocybin into my veins. Thanks.

1:02:01BubblemanYeah, well, I don't mind injecting it into my mouth. I'm a big fan. I'm not going to lie. Like, truly, you can read books and that will definitely increase your vocabulary and it should increase your understanding of vocabulary and language. But I'm telling you, if you eat mushrooms. There's a reason why Terrence used to call it the logos. You know, like it truly is like language embedded into a psychedelic experience.

1:02:32BubblemanEvery language, all languages, all how you how they all come out of one, how they disengage and All of these people have become unique individuals on their own. The whole Tower of Babel concept. You can learn a lot from eating mushrooms, I will say. And for me, it was the Terence McKenna insanity. First, it was Tim Leary who recorded the Book of the Dead. And then he would tell people in his book, hey, you should take these psychedelics and then listen to my narration of the Book of the Dead.

1:03:05BubblemanAmazing recipe for one of the worst psychedelic experiences you will ever have. Listening to Tim Leary's voice on a tape while you're high as a kite. That turned into Terrence McKenna. You got to take five dried grams in a dark room with just shadow. And so we went to that school, the five dried gram school. I will say that five dried grams anywhere else Thank you so much for joining us.

1:03:45BubblemanThat's an amazing one. I'm not a big psychedelic watch TV guy.

1:03:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh, no, it's funny, though.

1:03:54BubblemanIt's more than funny. It's definitely unique. We've done it. We definitely have done it. And the timing of it, I've seen an interview. I think it was David Gilmour, not Roger Waters. And they asked him and he was just like, no, like we never did. Did anything to make art? Could you imagine them being like, all right, guys, we're going to make this whole album tuned to this movie.

1:04:16BubblemanLike they're in the studio with the big screen watching Wizard of Oz, making sure, no, that's the wrong note. It's got to be D minor. All right, there we go.

1:04:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's not, it doesn't, it's not that it follows it like to a T or anything. It's, it's kind of a little more esoteric, I'd say than that. But, uh, And I agree that if you're going to do psychedelics, it probably should turn the programming off. That's the whole entire purpose of shutting propaganda and really just kind of going into the internal source, which is the ultimate media, you know, which is your imagination, your past life experiences, your connection to nature's spirits and the environment around you.

1:04:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd all too often in psychedelic legalization, it's almost like Super weird how they say, you know, a lot of times you have to be in a room and all that stuff to be like registered proper like psychedelic therapy.

1:05:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd even going as far as saying you can't have retreat centers and do psychedelic therapy. It has to be like in like a certain room. So I don't really, I don't obviously don't resonate with that. I really feel like being on the side of a river, water spirits, you know, whatever. If you're in a field, you're at fire. I mean... Who needs something more than a beautiful fire?

1:05:37BubblemanI couldn't do the hospital bed gurney. Like, like, are you fucking kidding me, bro? And to be honest, exactly what you just described. There is a TV show that my wife watches called Nine Perfect Strangers with Nicole Kidman. And it's literally about what you just said. She's like taking people on these psychedelic experiences out in this like I haven't watched it myself, but from the little bit that I gathered, the concept, it's always trippy when they put these concepts into TV and movies because that's where they are exporting the story.

1:06:10BubblemanThat's where they create the narrative, right? Like once that happens, I'll never forget when my bubble bags were on that show Weeds, the dude Silas had like a head shop, hydro shop or whatever, the son of the mom, the main character. And when you walked in the door, they had a 20 gallon set of bubble bags in a garbage can set up. And I remember seeing that.

1:06:36BubblemanAnd I remember having like so many people reach out to me and be like, dude, I saw your bags on weeds. It was like increased sales. It was like, whoa, these motherfuckers create the narrative. They really control everything. How we think at such a level that it's like, okay, you now have permission to think this because we've put it in a, I mean, remember what cannabis use was in all movies and shows forever?

1:07:01BubblemanYeah, dude, that's awesome, man. Like, let's do it, bro. That's what cannabis use was for like 35 to 40 years. It was just super derogatory, super insulting, super the opposite of what I know it to be.

1:07:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt kind of became one with Spicoli.

1:07:19BubblemanIt was Spicoli, absolutely. It was like as dumb as you could be.

1:07:25Etienne FontanYou know, and all that, which is interesting because I actually one time asked Tommy Chong. I was like, you know, as an activist, I have to ask you a question because your movies were so stereotypical and made us look bad. Many activists that I've been on the road with have accused you all of sabotaging, you know, us cannabis people. And he took a deep hit off of his joint and he says, kid, let me remind you, it was the dark days of, you know, the drug war and the only way that we could get through was with very silly humor.

1:08:03Etienne FontanAnd I was like, okay, I can accept that from you, all right? Because you were there, you did it, and you were accused of it. So I can buy that from your life and your experience. But the majority of the people, again, feel like you do. It's like we were made so bad. I don't like a lot of stoner movies. People are like, oh, you must love Half-Baked and all these other movies.

1:08:22Etienne FontanAnd There's some funny things in them, but I hate it because of how they portray stoners to be so lazy, stupid, and, you know, unmotivated. And look at all the people I'm around and all the people I work around and with are some of the most intelligent, highly motivated individuals who've literally changed their lives, people's lives around them and changed literally the world. You know, because, you know, they were also using cannabis.

1:08:54Etienne FontanAnd the society has taught us, I mean, let's go all the way back to the very successful marijuana assassin of youth, right? It was originally going to turn us loony and we were going to kill people, right? And that's what the movie taught us and showed us. And that was literally how people thought of us for, what, 40, almost 50 years, right? Because that's No representation in Hollywood normalized cannabis, so it was just like somebody smoking a cigarette.

1:09:25Etienne FontanIt always had to be the over-accentuated, you know, the two fingers and hitting it like, you know, a fiend. Remember, the guy was hiding it, an assassin from youth, like it was some, you know, devious thing, which we know that it isn't, and it doesn't reflect you, the viewer, because I've smoked with some of y'all, and y'all don't act like that. You aren't going out and killing people.

1:09:46Etienne FontanYou aren't Unproductive people, you're productive citizens, right? If we were unproductive and didn't do what we do, it would be much more prevalent in the world. And that's not the case. So again, you're correct, Marcus. Media has its full play because everybody does view it. You know, Dragonfly, I mean, I would prefer to also be out there. But, you know, the average person for recreational things, taking psychedelics and going to an amusement park is something to do.

1:10:17Etienne FontanAnd we know that that's something not to do.

1:10:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd we believe in the fractal of diversity. So it's just to say that you would like to be on the side of a river really doesn't discount the Disneyland LSD trip. It just says, hey, you know, the Riverside River fire experience can be really healing to the spirit, you know. Also, as far as the comedy goes and the breaking down of the walls, I mean, it's... You have to look at like vaudeville, you know, and the theater troops of historical, you know, which were always sort of the comic strip or whatever, saying the things that were really not allowed to be said in society to kind of create the conversation around it in order to create intelligence around it and then change laws, you know?

1:11:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo in a lot of ways, starting with comedy might be a good thing because you just sort of laugh about it and you're like, wait, Why is this so funny? But, you know, so I appreciate the theater. Life is theater, let's say, you know. But, you know, hey, everyone is going on a walk right now and we're going out into the gardens. We've had an amazing time and yet Natasha Ries is here and Dave Remy and Chimera and Kelly, we're just having a super good time, you know, showing them gardens and things that, you know, they've never seen before.

1:11:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's always a cool experience and they're really amazing people. We just wanted to share our love with you all today and hope that you are having a great day. It's super beautiful here. We're giving thanks for the middle of summer and just full abundance and fruits and foods coming, you know, so hope you all are doing well and hope you have a great day. Much love, Caleb, Marcus, ATN, Colin, the rest of everyone in there.

1:12:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineFrenchies Forest. Nice one. Yes, indeed. I like that.

1:12:22SpeakerQuick shout out. This was grown by Daniel Morford.

1:12:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGive thanks. So much love for Daniel. He just finished his new book. Love is... Oh, shit. I'm sorry that I forgot the name of it right now, but it's a brand new manuscript, and it's the second book that he's written. And Heart Rock Mountain, Daniel, Legacy Farmer. Wow. We talk to him all the time, and the family just came back. So... Excellent. Take care of yourselves and have a wonderful day.

1:12:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicinePeace out, Josh. A wonderful day.

1:12:56BubblemanI will say to go back to the comedy, like, man, when I first watched Cheech and Chong, I loved it. I got so much enjoyment out of it. I really did. I guess back then I was probably still of the mentality that, yeah, of course, smoking cannabis is bad for you. Yeah, it's like destroying brain cells. I just kind of was like, you know what? I like this.

1:13:19BubblemanI have I'm enjoying this. And I just kind of ignored all the negative propaganda. Now, it worked out really good for me because all of that propaganda happened to be bullshit, which is amazing. I mean, that couldn't have worked out any better because it doesn't always work out for people like that after they say drink for 25 years and then they're like, oh, the propaganda against alcohol is bullshit.

1:13:42BubblemanAnd then they get like cirrhosis of the liver and they're like, oh, shit, it wasn't bullshit. It was actually all factual truth. So I did believe a lot of the propaganda against cannabis. And I guess believing that propaganda allowed me to enjoy the humor All of these things, I saw less of the humor. Like I didn't when he when he ended up on that show, that 70s show, and he played like the same Chong stoner that I was like, no, dude, like, yes, 1976, of course.

1:14:24BubblemanBut now something better. You know, like I get it if he had already built that in, but when I saw him on that, I was like, I didn't think that was a good character. And that was because my ignorance had been lifted. So it's interesting how you can see the world differently if you just learn a little bit and you go down these rabbit holes and yeah, you can lift some of your ignorance.

1:14:47BubblemanI'm sure I'm still ignorant in many, many other aspects, but hey, I've got many years to learn new things. I agree.

1:14:59Etienne FontanJust for historical sake, I cut my teeth on Up and Smoke. I thought that shit was hilarious before I even knew what cannabis was or is, right? And I agree. I think it just comes with an education over time that you're just like, yeah, okay. You see through it, right? Okay. It's no longer, it no longer becomes funny. And so that's just, again, you're correct. I had that same perspective change.

1:15:26Etienne FontanToot Marcus, have you ever done a, you should do a run of bubble bag too, because this is very comfortable. It's actually, I have my Phrygian cap is made of the similar, the opposite side of my Phrygian cap, of course, is pot leaves.

1:15:43BubblemanYeah.

1:15:43Etienne FontanAnd it's the same material that this is made of. So you should, I would love, if you ever do, I'm going to request a custom one because I would love to have a little bubble bag logo on and rep it out at an event or something like that. You should do a little line of hats, man. This is a comfortable, you know, and it's warm. And, you know, just saying.

1:16:01Etienne FontanI know it's like, oh, Jesus, ATN, just what any other fucking skew in my life. However, you know, it's comfortable. And, you know, if you actually did an official one in that way, because otherwise the bubble bag logo is upside down on my head. Yes.

1:16:15BubblemanYes, I will get right on that. I do. I know Uplifted Meds. There's a group on Instagram who take my old bubble bags and they make hoodies. Josh has one of the hoodies and pants. Oh, they make hats.

1:16:28Etienne FontanThat's great.

1:16:29BubblemanYeah, they make all sorts. They make crazy like embroidered like cowboy hats with bubble bags like embedded in there. Like it's really crazy shit. Uplifted Meds with a Z, M-E-D-Z. And yeah, just.

1:16:49Etienne FontanSo, Caleb, yesterday you were with us, of course, at Wade's. It was wonderful to see you and meet your fiance. Absolutely beautiful. And I take it that you left and went to the California State Fair competition.

1:17:05SpeakerIndeed.

1:17:06Etienne FontanSince you were a judge, you were a so, you know, we don't get many judges from state competitions on Hash Church necessarily to talk to. So could you maybe explain what went down, how you got it, how what was testing like? Because I kind of give a behind the scenes view of what it's like to be an actual person who samples cannabis for a state fair in the United States.

1:17:33SpeakerSure. So this is the fourth year that the State Fair has had cannabis awards. In the first year, in the first two years, they worked just with SC Labs and awarded medals, gold and silver, or awarded golden bears to the top... Testers in categories like total cannabinoids, highest THC, highest CBD, and highest terpene content in, I think, like six of the eight terpene categories. And in the third year, the State Fair partnered with Buddist to add a human layer of judging on top of that lab testing layer.

1:18:29SpeakerAnd so all of the winners in the terpene categories were then assembled and then blinded by Embark, the dispensary partner, and those are given to the flower judges. And then from there, in each of the three flower categories, indoor, outdoor, and mixed light, The judges would choose just the best in class, which is the Golden Bear Award. And so at the award show, which happened yesterday, all of the medal winners had already been announced.

1:19:03SpeakerSo farmers came from all over the state to pick up their medals and then to sit at the award show to find out who won the best in class. And this year and last year, It's not just flour. So there's plenty of other categories. And last year, they hadn't separated solventless into like rosin and more traditional hash yet. But this year they did. And so there was like a proper melt category.

1:19:34SpeakerAnd it's interesting because the flower is the only category that is blinded, which is something that is typically thought of as a standard now in competitions. And for all the other stuff, like the concentrates, like the cartridges, like the wellness products, like the edibles, they still don't have a way to blind those for the competition. And we're seeing this in a lot of other places as well.

1:20:03SpeakerAnd so when the judges look at their pool of items, They're judging it on a hundred point scale and then all those scores are input into a spreadsheet and then they're averaged and then the judges then come together and based on their scores they'll have like what the group thinks is the best based on the numbers and then they can have a discussion um you know kind of talk to each other about oh maybe all five of the judges chose something for second place but they all had different ones for first place and you know that could be a discussion of which one is actually the group's favorite um that's a really specific example that kind of shows uh yeah that kind of group interaction that uh makes it so that you don't have one judge having an out you know outsized impact Which sometimes happens.

1:21:05SpeakerAnd I've now like through the research that we've been doing, heard so much about how ups can go wrong, like the various different ways that, you know, things have gone wrong in the past where certain companies have bought their way to awards. And it's very interesting to be able to see this event, since it's a state-sanctioned event, it's technically the only one that I know of, like period.

1:21:32SpeakerBecause the California State Fair is one of the only state fairs that's actually mandated by the constitution of the state. And so like the grounds that this event is on is like, you know, written into the constitution of the state. It's very much a different type of event in terms of the people that are showing up. Like when I was walking around as cannabis media and noticing that there's really not that many cannabis media there, it's because it's ABC walking around with like, The big ass camera and the people that are going in there are just lots of like that person is emailing amateurs, but also a lot of heady heads.

1:22:13SpeakerAnd throughout the event, it's The awards are really like just a small part of it. They've really separated out the cannabis awards from the California cannabis experience. And of like the hundred thousand plus people that attend the event over 17 days, the cannabis experience is becoming like a larger part and normalization and destigmatization are kind of like the top order of the hour. So it's a fun time.

1:22:41SpeakerI wish you were there, but There was a very long day.

1:22:47BubblemanSounds amazing. I love the idea of the heady heads with the amateurs. Like those are the very people that you're supposed to think about it. If it was an apple contest or if it was any type of food, agriculture, you know, something growing, pumpkins, whatever. Well, the amateurs are the newbies that are coming in that are inspired and they're trying to, you know, do the same thing.

1:23:08BubblemanAnd then they get to meet the people who have like 10, 20, 30, 40 years of experience and They get to get new genetics. They get to connect with people that are at this much higher level of the very same thing that, you know, the journey that they're on. That is the perfect, perfect place to create mentorship, to create relationships for mentorship. And people are always like, I don't know where I can find a mentor.

1:23:33BubblemanWell, California State Fair sounds like a good spot if you're into growing cannabis.

1:23:38SpeakerSo I forgot the coolest thing is that since the awards are working with the dispensary partner, all of the medal winners actually get guaranteed shelf space for the rest of the year. And so like that's something that I think more competitions are going to slowly work towards or that's always been like one of the underlying drives to enter competitions. And not only that, but there's onsite sales and onsite consumption at the State Fair in the designated area.

1:24:09SpeakerSo, you know, you can actually go buy your corn dog, go to the area, Buy some weed, smoke it and eat your corn dog. And you can experience the award-winning weed, like you were saying, and then talk to the farmer that grew it, right? Especially in California, where there are so many mandated middlemen that are literally placed there by the state to prevent the consumer, the medical patient, from being able to talk to the farmer, the breeder, to fully understand how to use the product, why the product is different, the plant, not the product.

1:24:44SpeakerIt really is an opportunity for mentorship, just like you're saying, at all levels, not just like two users or two growers, but that cross-pollination between them. It's awesome. Sounds incredible.

1:25:00Etienne FontanMaybe next year. Yeah, thank you for giving us a peel behind the veil because I've been an ambassador. And so we as ambassadors, you know, all we've been able to do is promote it. We haven't been able to sample it. Whereas you and I were, I was an Emerald Cup judge. And so What we were doing is exactly that, basing it off of a system and then having series of meetings together of the other judges.

1:25:29Etienne FontanSome were new users. Everybody was really experienced You know, a user for the most part, but not necessarily somewhere not at the competition level. So it was, you know, it can be, you know, intimidating because you're talking with other stoners. I did my best to relax people and, you know, add humor to it. But it's really integral to not only be able to sample the product, which was, I found a frustration those first couple of years there at the State Fair because there wasn't, Because there's something just, you know, having science test it, again, I have no issue with.

1:26:09Etienne FontanBut, you know, just because the numbers are what they are doesn't mean it's going to cross over to the human experience, right? So I think it's very important and I'm very thankful that Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:26:43Etienne FontanThat type of cross normalization is going and taking cannabis a step forward because it's going to allow hopefully county competitions, right, that can step up to be because California State Fair is kind of bypassing the system that most competition people at the State Fair are doing. They have one at the county level. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:27:26Etienne FontanAnd then the numbers are getting you into that first, second, and third, which is gold, silver, and bronze. And then Caleb and the group Buddhist are actually ingesting the cannabis and the different... How many different categories did y'all sample this year compared to... I know it was flowers and some concentrates, but I know this year you had carts and different types of concentrates. Can you explain that?

1:27:49SpeakerI think it was like 20 or 30... They had split up even the carts like solvent versus solventless. And even within the solvent, they split that into subcategories of terpenes added versus not terpenes added. And it's like a solvent cartridge won the entire thing. And because it was the only product on the entire market that featured those genetics from that breeder. And it wasn't a genetic that washes, unfortunately.

1:28:20SpeakerAnd so, you know, those are, there's very interesting things. And like the best in class for the flower went to a flower that only won a bronze for, so it wasn't the highest terpene count or when it wasn't the highest cannabinoid count that ended up being the judges favorites. So there's all these things that very much to me highlight that the competition is working as it should be.

1:28:48Etienne FontanAnd that's, I hope it can be replicated or at least y'all can go forth and educate other states so that it can, you know, go that way or even other countries, you know, because Canada doesn't have these types of competitions, you know what I'm saying? I know that, you know, a... I'm very proud of the state of California to be able to do that, but I know it's originally kind of started in Oregon.

1:29:12Etienne FontanOregon was really the first state to do a competition, but they haven't really taken it in this direction. So I commend California for at least moving it along quickly to where initially it was just to get the foot in the door to see how the reaction was, right? And the reaction from the public was overwhelmingly, you know, yes, to the point where, you know, they were selling originally CBD drinks on site, right?

1:29:37Etienne FontanAnd I think the fair saw quickly, okay, nobody went crazy from the CBD drinks. So, you know, they allowed THC. And then last year they allowed sales and consumption of actual, you know, THC products, not just the drinks. So they've kind of taken progressive steps And quicker than I anticipated progressive steps, which I think is encouraging, but I think is something that we may see replicated in other states, right?

1:30:08Etienne FontanThey may not be able to swallow what you're doing currently, right? But getting the testing And getting that, you know, the labs to do it, you know, is a easier entry point, right, for some of these states or competitions because, again, you're using science to make the decider because, again, we know how previous competitions had been, you know, tainted in one way, shape, or form. You giving us this view of what's happening inside of California's competition is a ray of hope for many people, of course, including Californians.

1:30:45SpeakerThanks. I hope that's a good way of both it. So the awards and that California cannabis experience, the people that put that together, James Lights and Lauren Carpenter, Fair Play Ventures, they actually like took that exhibit to a international like fair competition. And the California cannabis like experience was awarded as like the top, you know, like fair display on an international level. So And then the awards are an integral part of that whole experience.

1:31:19SpeakerSo very much I think the model is being seen on an international level and fingers crossed that this happens at a lot of places. And there are, like you were predicting, counties that are trying to get their qualifier status like they have with all the other agricultural commodities. And so in particular, Lake County and Trinity County, like really heavy historical cannabis counties, there are these types of competitions sprouting up at the county fairs too.

1:31:49SpeakerIt's awesome.

1:31:50Etienne FontanAnd so what Caleb and them are doing by testing, and then, so as I said earlier, the gold, silver, and bronze, the highest award is the golden bear. And so their human testing selects the golden bear. And that of course is the prestigious award, which is I believe given away yesterday. And that was happening at the awards, right? Any notables to speak of or towards who won golden bears?

1:32:17SpeakerSo, There was a new cultivar that won mixed light flower that was blueberry caviar from Ridgeline Farms. And that was bred by Jason Gelman's father. And so, you know, they accepted that golden bear. Jason was up there saying, you know, this is on behalf of all of Southern Humboldt. The indoor flower went to a cam for their super silver haze. So, you know, it was proper super silver haze.

1:32:51SpeakerAnd to have that grown indoors is, you know, the classic way, I guess. And for the outdoor flower, the golden bear winner was the same winner as last year, the pink goose goddess from Emerald Spirit Botanicals. And it was distinctly different than it was last year. And I've heard of other competitions.

1:33:14Etienne FontanCan you explain the differences or are they conveyable?

1:33:17SpeakerFrom what I heard, like the THCV percentage is noticeably different by like at least several percentage points. The amount of osamine in it ended up being like... The way different and yeah like there is that I'm always very curious to hear people who feel like the first year that you run a seed plant versus when you start running its clones in production or you know the second or third year like those types of changes that happen or maybe it's just the scaling up or but it was distinctly different in a good way.

1:33:56SpeakerAnd I've heard now like distinct stories of big competitions where, you know, all the judges judge the blind stuff. They come up with a winner and then the person who's organizing the cup will come down and say, oh, that farmer won last year. He can't win again. And, you know, like to know that that is for sure not happening here is is a good sign to me.

1:34:25BubblemanWas the White Thorn Rose entered in the fair? Did Huckleberry enter?

1:34:31SpeakerThat is a great question. So Huckleberry won a lot in like pre-rolls and whatnot, but because of the way this competition is set up, and this is something that Johnny and I have talked about, he's expressed to me, is that like technically White Thorn Rose There's always room for improvement, and that's something that

1:35:16SpeakerAs a judge and as someone who's, you know, getting closer to the competition, I'm pushing for that at all times. But really, like, because it is a selenodyne dominant plant and that isn't one of the terpene categories, you know, it doesn't end up on the list of blinded flower that we get to try.

1:35:39Etienne FontanWow, so how do we change that? What do we do to shed light on this injustice?

1:35:50SpeakerYou know, it's... It's, I do view it as an injustice, but I do understand from SC Labs and that there are limitations to the amount of testing that they can do. There are limitations to, you know, the vital facts that they have licensed. Like there are limitations there that frankly, I think that, uh, We should be able to push through. It would just take some, you know, like dedicated effort on SC Labs part to really catch up with the times.

1:36:25SpeakerLove Alex, saw him yesterday.

1:36:29Etienne FontanNo, but I mean, we should be able to criticize and as we are here and when we are met with boundaries, exactly that. How do we push through them? How do we level that levy so that it's no longer an obstacle for somebody? Because they should have been able to be in that competition and due to a technical... Shenanigan, right? It costs somebody an opportunity and that's unfair, right?

1:36:59Etienne FontanOr we view that as such.

1:37:02SpeakerYes, because if there's one thing that Canada's culture like really has in this life, but it's like a honor among thieves, that's not the right term, but like there is a moral code associated with being here that, yeah, fairness is part of it.

1:37:23BubblemanI just opened Nightbot, so I'm going to give these bags away in about 25 minutes. So if you type something in at or after 1045, you'll be entered. And at 11, I'll choose the winner for this set of two gallon, eight bag, eight bags. Let's see, we've got the 25 over here. We've got the 45, the 73, the 90, the 120, the 160, the 190, and the 220.

1:37:53BubblemanThey're all there. Wow. I guess I should make sure these are clean. Imagine that. Send a set of bags to someone and just have them be dirty. Here's the thing. My bags are never dirty. I'm so OCD that you would never know if my bags were used after I used them because I clean them so well. But I see people, wow, that really don't. It becomes just a catchment for like a microbial contamination.

1:38:27BubblemanIf you let the hash build up, sometimes hash gets into the piping on the bottom of these bags and it'll just get jammed in through this little tiny little hole. And I've seen people's bags where there's like literally a couple of grams of hash. And I'm like, man, like I would. Soak this in a solvent and get rid of all of that and then clean them. And then ideally use cold water to clean them without letting them get a buildup like that ever again.

1:38:53BubblemanBut welcome to Dr. Mark, who's in the house, sporting a very fine Jerry Garcia hand hat.

1:39:01SpeakerHe's got all the kind of swag, dude. What is worse than dirty bags, right? Yes.

1:39:08BubblemanWell, you know what? And people will be like, dude, I lent my bags to my buddy and they came back all fucked up. I'm like, oh, like when you lent him your tent? Dude, exactly. Should have learned, bro. You don't lend people bags just like you don't lend people tents.

1:39:23SpeakerIt's like lending somebody your swimsuit.

1:39:27BubblemanOh my God.

1:39:29SpeakerI mean, is it that personal? Right? I don't know. Could be.

1:39:34BubblemanPeople just don't seem to care for the bags if they haven't shelled out the money. They're just like, oh, they're just bags. It's like, oh, what do I got to do? It's like, well, you got to like clean them obsessively, like make sure that the resin in the water, which is like invisible, isn't drying and becoming sticky. You can really affect a set of bags in a negative way.

1:39:54BubblemanAnd honestly, it happens to a smaller group of people than often because if you're running swag through your bags, that stuff cleans off easy. But if you're running like the six star melt through your bags and you don't know and you let that shit like melt and like I've seen people take six star out of the bag and like start pressing it and then put it on a pressing screen and just like rolling it into a pressing screen and then they opened it up and it was just like bubble gum that someone chewed.

1:40:20BubblemanIt was in the screen. It was I was just like, oh my god.

1:40:25SpeakerYeah, Sam would say it. Cleanliness is next to godliness, right? He would.

1:40:29BubblemanSam would say that, right? Yeah. I got to find that quote, actually, because I need that. I have howdy howdy as my ringtone right now. Oh, really? Yeah. Anyone that wants the howdy howdy audio, let me know. I've got it in Wave and MP3, and it's a beautiful thing. It's nice to hear Sam say howdy howdy. Not going to lie.

1:40:53Etienne FontanYeah, send me a copy of that. I'd want that for a few things for sure. I need that.

1:40:57BubblemanRight? Don't you need that? That's our boy, man.

1:41:01SpeakerCaleb, we got to get that in the hands of some hip hop rapster who can sample us. Howdy, howdy. Right? Put it into some jams, right? Come on, let's go.

1:41:15BubblemanHere, this one's for you, Dr. Mark. Oh, wait, actually, I didn't do it right. First, you got to go share sound. I just learned how to share sound on Zoom.

1:41:27SpeakerHowdy, howdy. Howdy, howdy.

1:41:31BubblemanThere it is. A howdy howdy from the man himself. Can't wait to get a bunch of Wade as well.

1:41:37SpeakerSit down at the keyboard and find out what key that's in, right? Yeah, absolutely. Guitar over here or something. Hey, Caleb, good to see you again, man. How you been? Good to see you as well, Dr. Mark. Been well, been well. Awesome. Did you get a chance to go to Wade's thing? I did indeed. Awesome. Yeah, I wasn't able to attend, but I've been listening to the whole episode, so I heard what you guys said earlier.

1:42:12SpeakerI'll have to go check it out. Yeah, and I think what Colin said was particularly touching, right? Like how Dave, David, a.k.a. Sam, and Wade were so different, right? They were just very, very different people, but they were both... You know, those, those spirits, those people you meet in your life, maybe you're going to meet five of those people in your life, right? Maybe? I don't know.

1:42:42SpeakerIs your dad one? I'll bet, Bumble Man, your dad was one, right? Well, one of those five. My dad was definitely one of those five people. Think of those five people in your life. And right. So how many people, again, Do you meet in your life? Yeah. Alone. There's like five that really have this tremendous impact on, on your direction and are your inspiration.

1:43:04BubblemanThey were like tied different, right? Same, same, but different.

1:43:10SpeakerYeah. I mean, for me, it's not hard to imagine. Jerry was, was one of mine, you know, Jerry, Jerry, Well, following the Grateful Dead around taught me about adventure, and it taught me about sometimes you just have to, you know, all their songs about dice and playing cards, loser and deal and all that. It's all about a game of chance, right? There's a lot of things in life where it's just a random roll of the dice, you know?

1:43:35SpeakerLike, there's, you don't know how... You just don't know how your life's going to go. Like, there's different forks in the road where you choose one thing and you don't choose another. And your entire life is different from that point forward, right? And you don't know it at the time, right? Like, you can look back in retrospect and look at those times. And yeah, so I'm, you know, reminiscing, a little nostalgic.

1:44:01SpeakerYou know, July the 9th was the last time we saw Jerry alive at a Grateful Dead show. That was July 9th, 1995.

1:44:12BubblemanAnd I think he made it so close to 710. Yeah, he did. Right.

1:44:19SpeakerAnd I asked my wife to marry me the previous night at Soldier Field during Althea, you know? And it's just, I don't know. I mean, when you go back and you think about it, it's like, oh my God, that was 30 fucking years ago. I mean, that's a long time.

1:44:37BubblemanDid you get married that year? Did you get married in 95?

1:44:39SpeakerWe got married in 96. Okay, very cool. Yeah. I was married in 95.

1:44:46SpeakerOK, OK, but like just Marcus, God, that's that was a lifetime ago. I was before the millennium, right? It was just. It's just, I don't know. Think about it. We traversed the millennium, buddy. I mean, it's, it's crazy.

1:45:01BubblemanI remember Y2K, people freaking out.

1:45:03Etienne FontanI was like, planes are going to fall out of the sky.

1:45:07BubblemanThey're going to fall out of the sky. They're eating the cats and dogs.

1:45:12Etienne FontanThe computer's going to shit the bed. We don't know what's going to happen if the one's going to turn into a zero or we're going to lose our minds. Oh my God. And then 2012, remember? Remember the apocalypse in 2012 that was going to happen due to the Mayan calendar ending?

1:45:27SpeakerYeah, remember that one? I remember it. But do you remember growing up last century and thinking, gee, when it turns 2000... For me, I was born in 62, so I'm going to be 37 years old. I used to think, you know, that's such a line in the sand, right? Like, how old were you when the century turned, right? Like, that was like such a big thing when we were growing up.

1:45:53SpeakerI don't know. I was 27.

1:45:55BubblemanI was at that age that all the famous rock stars die at.

1:46:00SpeakerYeah, right. Exactly.

1:46:02BubblemanBut I wasn't a famous rock star, so I wasn't worried at all.

1:46:05SpeakerYeah, you weren't going to die.

1:46:09BubblemanI was going to keep it going, man. I was going to keep it going.

1:46:12SpeakerYeah, I mean, so Wade, yeah, definitely was, you know, the spirit of giving. His quote there was really cool about commercialized and not legalized. And there's a lot of truth to that, right, Marcus? I mean, and ATN, you know this better than anyone sitting here that, you know, the almighty dollar and, you know, what's going on in the hemp world. You know, with these beverages and everything that, you know, can cross state lines, this whole THCA game that everything's planned.

1:46:45SpeakerThere's a lot of deep pockets behind this. A lot of people making a lot of money. This beverage thing is these people who've gotten in are well-funded. They have huge factories and they have fleets of trucks. Dude, they run the beverage market for the world. They run the beverage market, right. How about that? Cannabis is just another flavor. It's like another thing. It's just another skew in the truck, right?

1:47:13SpeakerSo for them, it totally makes sense. Bolt this thing on. And ATN, what you were saying earlier was really, really interesting. You know, I was approached by this group of folks from the Maha movement. Again, not a big fan of Robert Kennedy myself, but I guess Robert Kennedy is, again, behind Getting data to show efficacy of cannabinoids and wants to fund research in this area. So we're keenly interested in, you know, getting funding for research.

1:47:47SpeakerBut I mean, is this part of like what you're hearing too, is that they want to kind of beeline cannabis in terms of making it therapeutically accessible? Not just veterans, but everybody.

1:48:01Etienne FontanThere's rumor behind, rumor control behind the scenes. There are talks. There is discussions. You know, there are, of course, these are attempted deflections of ongoing things politically. But yes, there are shapings behind the scenes, especially behind psychedelics. Yes, there are not the stigma nor the until recently there were not the schedule one, you know, cock blocking, so to say, for research and researchers until that roadblock was just reinstituted, I'm aware of.

1:48:38Etienne FontanSo We're going to see some things coming down the pike. Again, through our FOIA requests that we're doing at the Veterans Action Council, we're uncovering all kinds of interesting things that I'm going to be releasing various articles, you know, about especially how one of the main things we had was one study, which is, I guess, the ROC Thank you for joining us.

1:49:23Etienne FontanThis one study has been replicated 12 times in my four-year request from every senator, representative, etc. And we need to expose because they went through 10,000 studies, broke it down to two finally, and out of those two they realized one was compromised or at least ethically that they felt that it did not or it was too much metadata that they only had this one study. And it's just it's again another metadata study and we're going to expose it for that.

1:49:53Etienne FontanBut that's really been used as the really kind of a catch all around cannabis use disorder, which we're exposing as well, which, of course, Every veteran has been kind of painted with that swath again because it was added in DSM 5 in 2013. And we're seeing things that show we've seen an increased use in cannabis use disorder since 2012. Well, yeah, because you coined the phrase in 2013.

1:50:22Etienne FontanYou see what I'm saying? And now you're actually diagnosing it. So what was cannabis abuse or cannabis disorders? Now cannabis use disorder. And so now you're just using these semantics to justify withholding of that money. And so that's what we're helping Thank you for joining us.

1:51:03Etienne FontanYou know, the House passing a bill to help us veterans to get actual, and then it dies in the Senate, which is about to happen again, that hopefully we'll actually get it so that doctors can recommend it. But yeah, one of the things we did see, Dr. Sheldon, is outright is that there were only five human studies ongoing since 2017 regarding cannabis. That's it. And that's pathetic.

1:51:29Etienne FontanAnd that's small. And so out of these FOIA requests, we're getting these doctors. And so we're actually reaching out to these doctors who are in these studies. And we're actually trying to bring them in to have conversations with us so we can ask them the questions about why did you do this study? What was the metadata? Why this specific? You use these search points all using every word for cannabis, but only coming up with this.

1:51:53Etienne FontanWhy? And then, you know, just to kind of really kind of hold their feet to the fire and then help us point, because I have a younger generation of researchers who want to know where to take that direction, we can take their mistakes and put it into, you know, quicker succession so they don't have that, you know, stagnation, right? So that we can keep this potato hot, right?

1:52:16Etienne FontanAnd moving through research, or at least that's my hope, or that's what we're trying to do behind the scenes, but... I don't trust this administration like any politician, but hopefully there's some hope, but I don't trust them.

1:52:32SpeakerYeah, the guy I talked to was a representative of a veterans group, and he wanted to know, well, so I guess what they did, ATN, is they went through LinkedIn, and they went through the literature, and they found Thank you so much for joining us.

1:53:08Speakerefficacy work that they're actually it's it's interesting because they're going to repeat stuff that's already been done in the literature but they want to do it at a place you know again where it's funded by in this case the government not funded by a company or not funded by even when you're getting stuff funded by national institutes of health it can be pretty Thank you so much for joining us.

1:54:00SpeakerWhat do people, what do chemists do when they want to stabilize something? A lot of things that are stable are unsaturated. And what they do is they hydrogenate it. You hydrogenate the cannabinoids, you're going to make them more stable. So I was thinking again, just on an inkling that they might be interested. So we've, we have a patent on HHCA, which is hydrogenated THCA. And we have some really interesting data that shows that Thank you for joining us.

1:54:44SpeakerWhatever THCA can do, and THCA has got a wonderful profile in terms of its anti-analgesic, or as an analgesic, anti-inflammatory. This is an above and addition to what THC does at the cannabinoid 1 receptor. This is what THCA does. And if you remember, ATN, Mishulam's last work was showing that CBDA has almost a thousand times more efficacy at some of these targets in the body as does CBD itself.

1:55:21SpeakerThe problem with CBDA is it's extremely prone to decarboxylation. So the last thing Mishulam was working on is he made the methyl ester of CBDA. And so one of the things that my students are doing in my lab right now is they're making Esther's of HHCA. So it's our premise that whatever THCA can do, HHCA can do potentially better. But again, we need, that's just a hypothesis.

1:55:49SpeakerWe need funding and we need research done to basically prove this.

1:55:53Etienne FontanAnd then human data to do, right, to back that up.

1:55:56SpeakerAnd the other thing, and so because this guy was a veteran ATN, he was really keyed into this idea. So this is an idea we actually, we talked about this on Hash Church. It's so cool. Thank you so much.

1:56:31SpeakerAnd he was really cool. Down at CanMed, I spent time with Harold Hahn. I know, Caleb, you know Harold, right? Harold Hahn is the happy chemist from Virtosa. Oh, my God. Him and me were like two peas in a pot. Thank you for watching.

1:57:10SpeakerNanoemulsions increase the bioavailability of the cannabinoids. And they do so because they're able to penetrate through cell walls and they're able to basically deliver the cannabinoids to where they really are effective. And that's why even like myself, who's a THC user, if I drink half of a 10 milligram beverage, I could feel it because it's nanoemulsified. It's a different form of THC. It's fast acting.

1:57:39BubblemanSo Harold and I... Let's say though, not all nano is the same. It's all different. And I will also say that depending on what you've emulsified, whether it's, you know, distillate or live resin or live rosin, that also makes a very big difference.

1:58:01SpeakerEverything you're saying is absolutely true. Like what you put... In the cargo hold of these particles and emulsions are, yeah, extremely important. But like, I guess what we're interested in doing, so obviously what Harold and Vertosa is doing is they're applying this emulsification technology to cannabinoids Getting beverage companies started. So now you see this explosion literally of beverages across the country. Cool. Vertosa is again, one of the reasons why that's possible because they're providing this emulsification technology.

1:58:39SpeakerBut like, what can you do with that medically? And where is it important? So in traumatic brain injury, what we, our hypothesis is, is that cannabinoids CBD and other cannabinoids in part, maybe these cannabinoid acids, right, which right now can't be delivered across the blood-brain barrier unless they're inside a particle like a nanoparticle or a nanoemulsion. Or like you've talked about before, Marcus, I mean, liposomes, any type of way that you can take an oil formulation, an oil soluble thing like a cannabinoid and emulsify it so it's soluble in an aqueous format.

1:59:20SpeakerAnd now again, you deliver that transnasally right after Thank you.

1:59:40SpeakerATN, they were really interested in that. And again, I think it's like when you talk to a veteran about traumatic brain injury, they bring a completely different perspective to it. And this guy is like, oh, Mark, he's like, can you send me like a one page? So I sent him basically I have a one pager. That just basically describes the technology or describes the need that we have.

2:00:05SpeakerWe need this data to basically get this stuff into humans. And that's like a million dollar ask. And so, yeah, I sent it off to them. So we'll see what happens. That's amazing, man.

2:00:17BubblemanI got to get these bags away. Let me put you on hold for two minutes maximum because someone. Someone out there right now, there's 112 entries, is going to win these bubble bags. So that is a hat that you can wear, a pillow that you can sleep on, and some bags that you can hash with. Get your hash on. Get the hash out of here. I'm about to give away some bubble bags.

2:00:44BubblemanThis is happening. I'm going to throw this sticker in there too. You know what? Maybe I'll just throw this ounce of hash in too. No, I'm just joking. I can't do that. In a perfect world though, you know, in a perfect world, I'm pretty sure I can give an ounce of hash away in Canada. I think it's 28 grams that you can just give someone, which is, I think personally, the best part of our sort of regulatory framework, the four plants, the medical license, the recreational stores, all of the different things we got in Canada.

2:01:15BubblemanI think that one of the best things for sure is that. Let's give these bags away. 10.59. We've got 125 entries right now. You guys can see this on the screen, correct? I'm about to choose a winner for the two-gallon eight-bag bubble bag kit. Here we go. Good luck, everybody. Tigro. Following status is unknown, but Tigro, you are indeed the winner. You did win. So I'm going to take a picture of that.

2:01:48BubblemanPlease send me an email as soon as you can, Mr. Tigro. And then we're going to do a little press club giveaway as well. So we have 136 entries here. I'm just going to reshare the screen. And so Tigro, you won. You timed it right. Please send me an email immediately so that I can get you to say something in chat. Once I confirm that, I'll know that it's you and I will send you these bags personally.

2:02:22BubblemanAnd then the next one will be sent via the good folks at the Press Club. There he is. There he is. Tigro says yay. I see that. Awesome. Hopefully he's a subscriber too. If you're not, subscribe, unless you don't want to, and then definitely don't. I'm choosing a winner for the Press Club. This could be some rosin bags. This could be a spoon. Go check out the Press Club, thepressclub.co.

2:02:48BubblemanYou can get a discount if you don't win using the code hashchurch, but we're going to choose a winner right now for those guys as well. So, bam, OG Brick 420. Can you imagine?

2:03:03BubblemanOG Brick 420, dude. That's fucking awesome. Good for you. Good for you. All right. Sorry, ATN. You can get back to answering Dr. Mark, and I will focus on the chat where I'm going to try and get these emails sent in from... OG Brick is an OG in the chat.

2:03:23SpeakerHe's been in the chat forever. Oh, I know.

2:03:26Etienne FontanYeah, that's great stuff. All right. Well, to your point, Dr. Saldon, Stephen Philpott is actually doing studies right now with the Coast Guard and them regarding TBIs and anandamide levels because he's helping educate them specifically on why anandamide levels And the thing that he was, of course, telling us and teaching us about is even the dinghies and the boats that they're going out on are causing some of these veterans to have TBIs just from riding in the boats, unfortunately.

2:03:59Etienne FontanAnd so he's, you know, there are, you know, studies ongoing and I'm proud to know him as well as to hear what he's doing because he's also going to be working with the Navy SEALs and people like that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:04:40Etienne FontanPost 9-11 veterans have been suffering from a lot of traumatic brain injuries and of course due to the new battlefield and drones and drone explosions etc TBIs are not going away so we got wind of a particular THC nasal spray that is being used by our allies Thank you so much for joining us.

2:05:20Etienne FontanAnd that's what's currently in the medic pack. So we're trying to get access to the medic packs of our combat medics as well. Since our allies have it, we should be able to have that same thing because our veterans are suffering, unfortunately, predominantly from traumatic brain injuries. And they, of course, follow the veteran to the grave, unfortunately. So if we're able to stop that and stave that off, but also, Dr. Sheldon, if you can find out what that medication is and then we can find out what that pharmaceutical company is, then the way to then create that fully cannabinoid rich nanomolecule on top of THC and then see what that combination is.

2:06:03Etienne FontanDoes work because we saw Dr. Mishulin's work said a joint seems to within that golden hour seems to make the difference would, of course, give us right. I'm a lay scientist here, but it would tell me that the full spectrum, right, that full ensemble effect seems to would be better than just the THC alone or seems to have an effect that he thought was worthwhile. But THC has been the isolated molecule for now.

2:06:29Etienne FontanBut I agree with what you're talking about. And if there are other, you know, medications that are more sound that are found to come through it, like your hydroxination, then, you know, it should have already been in our medic packs yesterday. Sorry to be so long winded, but there's a lot of levels of where you're walking and talking about that. We're walking those steps. So I would be happy to call you in and assist on some of the things we'll be working on in the future.

2:06:54Etienne FontanBut The other thing I wanted to say was, regarding Wade, is that my group, Veterans Action Council, we've taken the decision to, we're going to host a side event at the United Nations for the, in March of next year, and it's going to be specifically on Wade. So I actually talked to

2:07:21Etienne FontanUm, Forrest about coming and finding other patients who have been touched by Wade and we're going to bring them to the, finance them to the United Nations and we're going to host a side event in Wade's honor at the United Nations by bringing forth the patients that he helped in helping world leaders understand the medication. That's the best way that we found that we could honor him besides, you know, social media posts, et cetera, was to actually take that To the United Nations and let the world know about Wade since he touched the world.

2:07:58SpeakerYeah, no, thanks for your comment. I mean, you know, yeah, I think that one of the things I just, you know, want to bring to the table there. I mean, I think that The fast acting aspect is really key, especially in traumatic brain injury. It's like it's got to act quickly and at risk to really be able to penetrate and Be able to maintain a certain concentration throughout the brain.

2:08:29SpeakerSo I think I had mentioned previously that we'd work with this group in Minnesota that are specialists in this internasal type delivery kind of technology for treating other brain disorders like Alzheimer's. And so like when we considered, you know, could we do this for TBI? They're like, oh, you know, the question really becomes is, you know, What is the right drug cocktail? Because think of like the nano emotions, sort of like the Trojan horse, right?

2:09:01SpeakerWe're slipping something into the brain, right? And what's inside could be a potent, you know, chemotherapeutic agent, could be a cannabinoid, could not be a cannabinoid. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:09:38SpeakerInjecting them into the brains of mice just yet, you're trying to identify before you get to that stage, what kind of compound would be efficacious at what level, and even combining those. So this group in Minnesota, like I said, had looked at transnasal delivery of insulin to treat Thank you.

2:10:34SpeakerDrugs and different agents into these emulsions and into these formulations and maybe cannabinoids are the trick. I don't know. I mean, I think what we do know is that they are neuroprotective and that they quench reactive oxygenated species. So in the inflammatory process, there's a variety of things that happen, including the release of these pro-inflammatory cytokines. And some very recent research shows that things like CBGA, I mean, this is really, again, just reaching into the cannabinoid You know, bag of tricks.

2:11:14SpeakerHere's CBGA, right? Non-psychoactive. It's in the acidic form. Completely shuts down something called store operated calcium entry. SOCE. And the reason why that's important is because that is an important flux of calcium into the cell to generate a pro-inflammatory response by releasing these pro-inflammatory cytokines. Like IL-2, interleukin-2 and tumor necrosis factor alpha. These are all things that the body is actually on immune system overdrive and is releasing to try to combat some type of what it perceives either as a virus or some type of invasion, right?

2:12:04SpeakerYou remember talking about cytokine storm, right? Thank you for joining us.

2:12:30SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:12:59SpeakerWe know that there's all kinds of GI health that CBG can help with and CBGA. And now, like I said, this group discovered that it shuts down this very important calcium current that's basically underpinning the inflammatory response. And this could potentially describe why cannabinoids themselves are anti-inflammatory. So really exciting stuff that's out there.

2:13:27BubblemanWe'd like to cover that paper if there is a paper. Dr. Allen and I are always looking for new things to cover and we've covered a lot. Oh yeah, absolutely. In regards to cytokine storms, in regards to just a whole bunch of impossible shit that you can't imagine that are all like patents and papers that are just right there for you to read. But the scientific jargon is so confusing for the majority of people that...

2:13:52BubblemanIt's like you just want someone like Dr. Allen to just be like, this is what this study is saying. This is what ended up happening. And it's not just for, you know, it does a lot of different things. Like the aspect of inhibiting access to the cell is an incredible one. The one that we did on scarring of the heart for stroke and heart attack victims and how much less scarring there was dead tissue on it was 66% less dead tissue on the heart than the one that didn't get given the CBD.

2:14:25BubblemanSo pretty, pretty profound shit. And then it also has something to do with regulating VEGIF. Which can be overabundant in the production of tumors and create like its own circulatory system within the tumor, like literally building little pathways to move blood back and forth faster to hyperize these cancers and to grow these tumors super quick. I don't have a full understanding of it, but I've listened to Dr. Allen talk about it enough times that it's, and he's breaking it down in a sort of simple Simon way, like, hey, like, okay, we're not all, you know, MDs or whatever, PhDs, like just break it down for people so they can understand it in a sort of easy way.

2:15:04BubblemanAnd that's, that's what we do on our show.

2:15:06SpeakerYeah, I mean, he's great. He, Marcus, as you know, I mean, you've connected me with him. And And he calls me up and like, you know, like an hour and a half later, I was like, oh my God, we've been on for an hour. Just, you can imagine just me and him going back and forth. He's telling me all about, and yeah, so he's really on this VGA.

2:15:29SpeakerSo VGF is vascular endothelial growth factor. And what this, so it's a, it's kind of like a hormone that's in the body that's, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:16:07SpeakerThank you.

2:16:24SpeakerYou know, hearts and arteries and genesis like new, right? So it's like new blood vessel formation. So cannabinoids have been shown to be anti-angiogenic. And you see, this is like what he knows and he's a heart surgeon. That guy was doing fucking heart surgery for how many years, Marcus? I mean, he operated on people. A long time.

2:16:48BubblemanHe saved a lot of people's lives, man. He told me intense stories. Holding like kids' hearts in his hand, like a kid that got shot. He saved a kid's life. Told me a lot of crazy stories, man.

2:17:01SpeakerHe's an incredible wealth of knowledge because he's actually a doctor who healed people, who did surgery, but he also has a vast understanding of the endocannabinoid system. Right. And so like, and he's a big, and always has been a really big proponent of, you know, why isn't the endocannabinoid system taught? He had this whole thing on cannabis hypermesis syndrome. And it's funny, Marcus, while I was down at CanMed, I'm like texting Dave Allen.

2:17:34SpeakerI'm like, oh man, hey, they're talking about CHS. And so then Dave's saying, well, ask this question. And, you know, we're like back and forth on our phones and I'm taking screenshots of the slides that are being produced. And I think he's a little bit at odds with where Ethan is on this. But I think he just came in.

2:17:54BubblemanAnd you know who came in right at the exact same time as Dr. David Allen? Remo came in puffing a big fatty at the exact time. You guys are on together, Dr. Allen and Remo.

2:18:04SpeakerHey, bubble band.

2:18:05BubblemanHow you doing, Remo?

2:18:06SpeakerOh, man, this is the last from the past.

2:18:11BubblemanDude. Oh, he's cutting out a little bit. How are you doing?

2:18:15SpeakerCan you hear me? You're cutting out on us.

2:18:22BubblemanHey, you're back, Dave.

2:18:26SpeakerHow's it going? All right. I missed you on earlier. I was just on briefly. I don't have a lot to add to the discussion.

2:18:39BubblemanWe were talking about VEGF and all these other great things. I thought, oh, this is your jam. Angiogenesis, right?

2:18:49SpeakerOkay, we're almost there. Oh, you came back, Remo. Oh, good, good. Hey, how's it going? Fine. I enjoyed your videos in Thailand.

2:19:03BubblemanShit. Did that just grow? I need to pin that shit. Pin.

2:19:12BubblemanWhere are you right now? Are you at home?

2:19:15SpeakerYes, my backyard.

2:19:18BubblemanOf course it is. Look at this.

2:19:22SpeakerBut that's nothing. You want to see something that's really crazy?

2:19:26BubblemanYeah. Look at this. Oh, dude, I got to come see that, bro.

2:19:35SpeakerOh, yeah, you're always welcome to come over. We should make some hash. Oh my God. Jesus. That's enough to bring tears to a glass eye. Good one.

2:19:48BubblemanIt really is.

2:19:48SpeakerWe got some auto flowers here. We got a little bit of everything. A little droopy.

2:19:52BubblemanHow long is that hoop house?

2:19:54SpeakerA hundred feet long. Oh shit. Yeah, it's actually, it's kind of funny. We got weed poking out the sides. I'll show you what I mean.

2:20:06SpeakerYou see that down there? That's where the bird is.

2:20:09BubblemanOh, yeah. Weeds poking out the side. Look how happy Remo is.

2:20:15SpeakerBut all these plants were in the greenhouse. And then we had to, like, drag all this out of the greenhouse because it was just starting to get big.

2:20:24BubblemanJesus. And now you're just going to finish those out on your lawn?

2:20:28SpeakerYeah, as much as we can. The autoflowers are going to be coming down real soon, which will give us a little bit of space so we can spread out. But it's like a four-hour adventure to water these things.

2:20:40BubblemanOh, I can only imagine. You're doing this by hand?

2:20:45SpeakerYeah, just hose and a pump.

2:20:47BubblemanDamn. Irrigation can be nice.

2:20:51SpeakerIt can be, but everything's in pots and we've been moving things around. Actually, I've taken to this. I put it on a skid. I can just move it with a forklift.

2:21:01BubblemanWell, you know, Howard Marks used to say there's two types of hash dealers, those that require forklifts and those that don't. But I think it should apply to growers as well. There's two types of growers, those that require forklifts and those that don't. And of course, Remo, you are one that requires a forklift.

2:21:20SpeakerGood thing I got one. Yeah, good thing you got one, dude. It's nice to see you, man. Good to see you. Yeah, we need to make some hash sometime, man.

2:21:30BubblemanI agree. That's always a good thing. I always enjoy our times of making hash and smoking hash. And why wouldn't we continue the journey?

2:21:40SpeakerNo doubt. Actually, when I was in Germany, I went to this booth that were called Ion Plus. And it was, they make hash, static hash, just heads. And the guy there, David, he had some of the winner from Spanibus, like his entry and he won and

2:22:02BubblemanWell, I wanted to hear about that entry.

2:22:03SpeakerI think that's going to be the next big thing. But you were on that a long time ago. Remember, you were making it up with the screens, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that was...

2:22:18BubblemanI was, and even before that, I didn't come up with the parchment paper. My situation was that I learned about carding from basically little, reading the book Hashish, paying attention to Dave and Rob. They weren't given anything out, but I was paying careful attention and I would card the resin, right? On a tight screen, I would card the resin back and forth. And I understood that if you could break up the contaminant, the capitate stalks and systolic hairs, everything that wasn't a gland, And get it to break through the screen.

2:22:49BubblemanThe heads themselves were so strong, they wouldn't go through the holes. And so, you know, that's what I showed John in 2012, where we took some of his hash and we carded it for 45 minutes. And we put that hash in a bowl that was left on the screen and it was just full melt. Well, some years later, Skunk Man Sam would show me his secret technique, which was this static sifting method with the hand.

2:23:12BubblemanNow, the static sifting method Before Sam didn't want any, he said, please don't share it. I'm not ready to share it. He had some ideas that he wanted to do, but he wasn't really able to execute them. And so what happened was I knew about it for probably 10 to 15 years. And, you know, I went to D420K's house in Prince George one time and I showed him carding and he was like, oh, I'm going to get a bigger card.

2:23:36BubblemanAnd he went and bought these iTunes cards that were these big plastic cards. And he started doing it and he goes, dude. I'm getting materials sticking on one side and heads on the other. And I was like, oh, cool. And so he did a little video of that on his channel. And then this guy, Mies, this guy, Mies, reached out and said, listen, you need a bigger surface and you should wrap that surface in like parchment.

2:24:00BubblemanAnd that became the DVD in the parchment where you go back across. And it was a very slow method, but it was sort of this introduction to the concept of static sifting and so eventually that would become you know sam's method would would just become known eventually it would be i would post about it and uh more and more people learned about it and then this guy charles from this company called sc filtration sambo filtration uh sambo creek They created an actual machine.

2:24:33BubblemanAnd the machine that you probably saw in Germany is that machine, but done by a Spanish group who saw their machine and then made their own. So that's kind of the history of the story. It's super cool technology. I just got a V2. So we could play with it, Raymond. Right now, it's not even in the facility. So if we wanted, I could roll that thing over to your house.

2:24:58BubblemanWe could set it all up and we could like run some like a kilo or two of dry sift through this thing. And then it collects on the positive and negative of the plates. Yeah, pretty fun video, man.

2:25:10SpeakerYeah, I agree. Actually, it'd be just fun to smoke it. Even without the video, it'd be fun.

2:25:16BubblemanListen, that's the best part. Trust me. Smoking of it by far is the best part, especially if you have something special and you make a nice farmer's grade sift. You take that sift, you can clean it with this machine in a very intense, super educational way. It's amazing how far they took Sam's You know, simple method of running his hand over a 200 micron screen and collecting the heads that were attached to it into this machine.

2:25:42BubblemanAnd they've been on Hash Church before. They have an old school, I guess, electricity, static, like engineer, expert guy. He was an older guy. He was really cool. He had deep knowledge. And he was a big part of how they came up with this plasmatic, you know, static sifter.

2:26:03SpeakerNice. Well, I like the end product and it was melty. It had flavor. You want to make any joint taste good, just crumble a little bit of that in and next level.

2:26:13BubblemanIt's the holy grail. It's the holy grail. It's what Skunk Man Sam was smoking for like decades and decades and decades. It's what when I first met him, it's what he put in my bowl, like six star full melt, pure glandular trichome heads, literally because I have it right here. So why wouldn't I show it? Literally this, this is what he put in my bowl all those years ago.

2:26:38BubblemanA blam. Like.

2:26:42SpeakerWow. Just looking at it. That looks great.

2:26:46BubblemanOh, it was so powerful and potent, Raymond. Super good to see you, man. I hope to see you in person here soon. Your place looks absolutely beautiful, like a Swiss chalet.

2:26:56SpeakerOh, thanks. Yeah, I've been growing vegetables.

2:27:00BubblemanAs you should.

2:27:01SpeakerWell, no, I never grew vegetables before because I figured, you know, why would you do that? You know, one pound of cannabis is worth like a year's worth of vegetables. It was a waste of time. But now vegetables are worth $3.99 a pound like tomatoes are. And so, you know, I tried growing a bunch of vegetables last year, just the tomatoes, and I had eight foot tall tomato plants.

2:27:22SpeakerAnd Well, it's starting again. Look at this one here. This one's bigger than me. It's like we're getting about six feet.

2:27:28BubblemanDude, they'll be so much better than anything you can buy at the grocery store. Are you kidding me? It's the same thing with, you know, I just want to smoke the hash instead of make the video. It's like you want to grow the veggies because you'll feed your family the best food that you can produce that you can't even really go and buy because that involves a level of trust that I'm not sure I'm willing to give.

2:27:52SpeakerWell, you know, I've never grown peppers before. This is my first year doing this. And check this out. I got peppers in here. You see that? Those are beauties. And I got like a bunch of hot peppers. I got like orange habaneros and jalapeno. Got some burning bush. We got some hot Portugal, some red cayenne. Growing the peppers.

2:28:15BubblemanThat's awesome, man. What a dream. What do you got? Some acres there?

2:28:20SpeakerEight and a half acres.

2:28:21BubblemanEight and a half acres. Damn, dude. Yeah.

2:28:26SpeakerJust come over and rip some ATVs around the yard. It's kind of fun.

2:28:29BubblemanOf course we will. Yeah.

2:28:31SpeakerOf course we will. Corn.

2:28:34BubblemanI see the corn.

2:28:35SpeakerYeah. And you know what? It's already developing. Like, you see the dreadlocks it's getting here? Yeah, dude. That was pollen coming down. It was raining pollen on me. Yeah, I'm actually producing corn. Everything in my garden here, I'm running on a 3C rainbow nutrients. Cucumbers. Lots of cucumbers. Oh, yeah. It's going wild. I just started getting tomatoes. None of them have ripened yet. Basil. I'm giving this like really strong plant food, like 3C to the basil and parsley.

2:29:10SpeakerI think my parsley looks like it's on steroids. Looks beautiful, man. Three strains of basil, which we just continuously pick off of.

2:29:19BubblemanBig fan of the basil. I think everyone should have basil grown around their place.

2:29:24SpeakerOh, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. And then the peppers, like I said, are just awesome. Except I bought this strawberry plant. Check it out. What do you use the parsley for? Chimichurri sauce. Sandy chops it up and puts like lemon juice and spices and stuff and makes this green sauce out of it. It's awesome.

2:29:46SpeakerHey, Remo. Yeah. You know what the difference between parsley and pussy? What? No one eats parsley. Okay. Okay. Oh, it's fun to grow anyway. But this is my only disappointing plant. Is this strawberry? I found out afterwards, it's growing these tiny little berries and they're white. And I'm like, what's going on? When do they turn red? Apparently they don't. This is these white mountain strawberries and they're not very sweet.

2:30:18SpeakerAnd I'm like, I just threw a bush of them. I'm not sure what to do with that. That's my only disappointing plant.

2:30:26BubblemanDude, that was an incredible, incredible soundbite, Dr. Allen.

2:30:31SpeakerThat's going to be a quote that will go down in history.

2:30:38Etienne FontanHoly shit. I think that's the first pussy joke we've had on Ash Church. 100%.

2:30:43SpeakerOh, it's good to be first. It's good to be first.

2:30:47BubblemanIt's good to be first. I'll tell you one thing. That was extremely funny. I'm not going to lie. And it's part of the funniness was almost like my initial immediate reaction, which I also think was Etienne Collins was like, Oh no, we're going to get canceled. Like it was this like, oh no.

2:31:07SpeakerYou can just rock on.

2:31:10BubblemanNo, it's not that. Not like that. Just this invisible pressure of like, you're just not allowed to be funny anymore. You're not allowed to make a joke. And the fact that it came from Dr. Allen, it just made it so much better than if anyone else said it. Dr. Mark hasn't even reacted yet. He still just did shit. He's in shock.

2:31:34SpeakerThat's awesome.

2:31:38Collin PalmerI was just thinking, Remo, over the years, I've tried to grow peppers in many different forms. It's very difficult to get pepper seeds to germinate. It really truly is. So kudos to you for doing it. I have a few tomato and pepper plants out, but for whatever reason, my pepper plants just take so much longer to sprout. So I don't know if that's something you found, but yeah, it was really interesting.

2:32:07SpeakerWell, you know what? My only secret is I indiscriminately feed everything out of the same barrel over here.

2:32:13BubblemanMm-hmm.

2:32:14SpeakerEverything gets the same food. So this all started with me having a few cannabis plants and just feeding that and going, well, what happens if I give it to tomato plant? And then we started getting like production. So it's like, okay.

2:32:25Etienne FontanSo this year, we went- So what's your PPMs or TDS then, Remo? What are you shooting for?

2:32:32SpeakerI'm running a 3EC. 3EC on everything. They said that you can't give that to herbs. Well, bullshit. These things look great. The peppers love it. Well, the parsley looks a little strange. It's big. It's green. I've never seen marigolds like this. I put a single marigold in here from the nursery, and each one turned into these multi-head creatures. I think Grandma's geranium's the same thing. Look how many heads there is on this.

2:33:03SpeakerThat's running three. The hanging basket. Look at this. This is a freak show.

2:33:11Collin PalmerIs that a maple behind you too? Japanese maple? Yeah.

2:33:15SpeakerYeah, right here. I love that.

2:33:16Collin PalmerThat's running on it too.

2:33:17SpeakerI gave some this morning too. I love those plants. And I got our beauties tree right here.

2:33:22Etienne FontanNice and healthy. Nice and beautiful, clean, green color right across the board.

2:33:27SpeakerYeah. Yeah. Everything's running on this stuff. You know, it's kind of like Frank's Red Hot Sauce. I put the shit on everything.

2:33:36BubblemanRemo's Hot Sauce. Put it on everything.

2:33:39SpeakerWell, that's going to be coming this fall when we harvest this row of peppers. We're going to

2:33:43Etienne FontanExperiment with this one.

2:33:46SpeakerRemo.

2:33:47Etienne FontanThere's some hot ones here.

2:33:48SpeakerHow is Remo Nutrients doing? We're doing great. We actually, this is the reason I'm using this. This is off our powdered line. We introduced a powdered feeding line about two years ago. And well, I've been torture testing myself and the results are great. It seems to work on everything. But we're going to be doing actually a living soil organic product hopefully next year and an algae product as well.

2:34:15SpeakerSo we're branching out. We're shifting gears.

2:34:19Collin PalmerThat's cool, man. Well, I've definitely tried your stuff over the years and it's worked well. I'm fully in living soil these days, but love to try your mix if I can ever get a hold of it here in the States.

2:34:33SpeakerHopefully coming soon. Yeah. You know what? This is what I realized is that after what's kind of happened in our industry, there's less growers. So I have to have more choices because there's less growers. So I have to have something for everybody. That's kind of why we're making the move into that. Cool. Remo, are you using compost tea brewers? At this point, no, but we have in the past.

2:34:58SpeakerJoel had a worm tea barrel going and we got some really nice microbial teas out of that. But everything you see here is just straight salt. Same with the field and the greenhouse. It's just salt. Just, you know, rainbow elements.

2:35:16Collin PalmerYou can grow great things with, you know, with the skills and the understanding of your inputs. You know, I think that's across the board, no matter what medium or discipline that you come from. And I think that's well highlighted with the nutrients you have. Thanks. So, yeah, it's cool.

2:35:40BubblemanMan, you definitely got me wanting to visit the garden and visit the property and see you and Sandra.

2:35:45SpeakerCome on down. Actually, it'd be good to come when we're harvesting some food so we can make like a Greek salad or something or, you know, eat some of the stuff. Tell Sandra my joke. Her sister's here and I have to wait till her sister's not around.

2:36:01BubblemanI don't want to, you know.

2:36:09SpeakerI can't do that.

2:36:11Collin PalmerWhat strains do you have in the garden down there? What do you got?

2:36:16SpeakerPardon me. I'm sorry.

2:36:17Collin PalmerWhat, what, what cannabis strains cultivars do you have?

2:36:20SpeakerOh, well over here we got, uh, Time Warp, uh, right there. Uh, and then we got the Sea Warp. These both came from Tuxedo Island. And then this one's Pressure. I got this one from, um, uh, those guys, Private Stock. They won that, uh, Winner Takes All Cup that Tim put on for the $10,000 prize. And then, uh, Actually, those are more of the same. Oh, there's some jealousy right there.

2:36:51SpeakerThen we had to cut back the Afghani Bull Rider. It's looking hurting now, but it was too big. It's a sad story. Jeff Tech stopped growing.

2:37:02BubblemanHe stopped growing?

2:37:03SpeakerYeah. Then he put his house up for sale. He wants to sell his house and go traveling. So he gave me his last plant. It's sitting here. I got cuttings. And he wants to go travel the world. I don't blame him. He's been growing for a long time and he wants to see the world.

2:37:22BubblemanWell, that's what's given you his cultivars out there enough. He'll always be able to get it back.

2:37:27SpeakerWell, I'll give it back to him. No problem. I got it right here.

2:37:30BubblemanExactly. Yeah, that's awesome.

2:37:34SpeakerActually, it's kind of funny. He just sold his CBR 600 because, I don't know, he wasn't comfortable on it. He bought one of those Honda Shadow 1100, you know, cruiser bikes. I went riding last weekend with him. He likes the cruiser bike better because you're not all hunched over. You're kind of laid back.

2:37:53BubblemanWell, the cruiser bike doesn't instill this, like, frequency of, like, let's go 260 kilometers an hour.

2:38:02SpeakerOh, yeah, his bike definitely did that. I rode it, and it sounded really nice. It had one of those 4-in-1 Yoshimura headers on it, so it just sounded like a race car. Amazing sound. Really cool bike. But he let it go cheap to $2,500. Like, it's almost free.

2:38:19BubblemanUnbelievable.

2:38:20SpeakerYeah. But he got the Jeep bike for a really good deal. He only paid $1,300 for it. Jesus. Yeah, I know.

2:38:28BubblemanThat's insane.

2:38:29SpeakerYeah, it's almost free.

2:38:31BubblemanIt is almost free. The insurance would cost like three times that.

2:38:36SpeakerProbably, yeah. It's unbelievable. But he's riding. That's the whole point. He's out having fun.

2:38:44BubblemanYeah, that is the whole point. I hope to get mine going here maybe this summer.

2:38:51SpeakerNice. Well, anytime you want to go for a ride, I'm here.

2:38:54BubblemanI always will.

2:38:57SpeakerOh, no. Yeah, I got to go. I got somebody here. But I'll come back in a bit.

2:39:02BubblemanAll right, brother.

2:39:02SpeakerAll right. Hey, thanks for having me on Hash Church.

2:39:06BubblemanDude, thanks for just popping in and sharing your vibes with us. That was fun.

2:39:11Etienne FontanAlways appreciated, Remo. Give our best to the missus. Much love.

2:39:15BubblemanI don't think there's ever been a funnier thing said on Hash Church either. So thanks for coming in and helping Dr. Allen out with that. I'm glad I was present for the funniest moment on Hash Church. Well, dude, had you not shown him the, what was it? Parsley?

2:39:31SpeakerYeah. Parsley.

2:39:33BubblemanYeah. I do not show them the parsley. That may have not erupted.

2:39:38SpeakerThank you, Brother Remo. My pleasure. It's been a blast. We will blaze again soon.

2:39:44BubblemanYes, we will.

2:39:46SpeakerCheers. Happy Sunday.

2:39:48BubblemanThanks, Remo.

2:39:49Etienne FontanBe safe out there.

2:39:50SpeakerGod bless everybody.

2:39:53BubblemanGreat character.

2:39:56SpeakerAnd I'll be seeing your Wranglers.

2:39:58BubblemanYou taking off, Dr. Allen?

2:39:59SpeakerYeah.

2:40:01BubblemanAll right, well, we'll see you soon. We'll film the Cannabis Journal Club this week for sure. Monday, Tuesday. I'd like to get an episode in the bag.

2:40:10SpeakerAll right, nice.

2:40:14BubblemanAll right. What a character. You guys are killing me today. Holy shit, that was fun.

2:40:21Etienne FontanI didn't see Remo this year in Barcelona. I usually run into him and Sandra. She's a hoot. I love hanging out with her. She is, you know, yeah, she's fearless, right? She is just a badass. Yeah, she's awesome. It's really funny because Remo's the mellow one in the relationship.

2:40:41BubblemanYeah, Remo's super mellow.

2:40:44Collin PalmerI remember we all went to dinner in Toronto, Marcus, on the thing that spins around with like Johnny B and I think Tony was there.

2:40:53BubblemanOh yeah. Did you go out on the thing with us? Like out on the top of the CN Tower or whatever?

2:40:58Collin PalmerI think so. I just remember playing piano before we got in there. There's like a piano and I just like hopped on it.

2:41:05BubblemanYeah, yeah, no, I remember that because that, I think that was the same trip that we had gone, me and Ramo and Sandra and four or five other people. We went outside the top of the tallest building in Canada and like leaned off of it with these like Attachments. I have pictures of it. We're all wearing these suits. I remember because they damn near strip searched us, checked us along every stop to make sure we had nothing with us because I guess the biggest worry is that someone brings something up there and it falls and then like, you know, hit someone and you could kill someone.

2:41:39BubblemanAnd so I ended up sneaking a vape pen up there and Ramo and I were like hitting this vape pen. Of course you did. And then, of course, he's smoking it and not, I'm like low key, not getting seen at all. Ramo's just like, just gets caught immediately, gets the pen taken away. And, you know, the guy's like, he starts telling us all these, he's telling us a story actually that, He catches people all the time.

2:42:08BubblemanHe's looking for it. And so I can't remember if it was Ramo or who it was. They said, well, what was the last thing you caught? And he said, well, honestly, just yesterday, a porn star came up here with her cameraman and she and I caught her with a dildo. And I took that away. I was just like, oh, my God. So in the end. We got it back because I said to him, I said, hey, just give us it back.

2:42:31BubblemanI mean, there's no reason for you to look bad. And he said, what do you mean? I said, well, we got it through all your searching, like three different levels of searching. You only found it when we were outside and we have film of us using it. So you should just like give it back. And he was like, here, just gave it back to us as we left, obviously, as we got off the roof.

2:42:51BubblemanBut yeah. Yeah, I've had some pretty funny experiences with Ramo over the years. He's into adventure. He's into doing fun stuff.

2:43:02Collin PalmerYeah, good guy. It was cool. It's good to meet him.

2:43:05BubblemanAbsolutely. And Dr. Allen is going to go down in history on Hash Church for that joke. 100%.

2:43:13Etienne FontanHighly inappropriate. We shouldn't say stuff like that. Just be the adult in the room for a second. God damn, that was hilarious.

2:43:20BubblemanWell, that's the thing with comedy, right? It's just, it's so crazy. And then, you know, I think laughter is the best medicine. I know laughter is the best medicine. I know that when he said that, I wasn't laughing at the expense of anyone. I wasn't like doing harm to anyone. It was just so honestly funny, the timing, the person whose mouth it was coming out of.

2:43:47Etienne FontanThis is priceless. You couldn't plan that. You couldn't bottle it. It's just one of those natural organic things that happens that we all, I mean, look at us. We all lost our shit. We all were like, oh my God, I cannot believe. He said that here, okay. And Dr. Mark's just like, oh shit, I need him in a boardroom because he was so reactionless. I'm like, oh man, all of us were literally like cherry fucking red.

2:44:18Etienne FontanWasn't that funny?

2:44:20BubblemanI thought it was pretty funny. It was only funny because of who its mouth it came out of and the timing. And yeah, Ramo, the fact that it was Ramo. He just came in super rare Ramo visit, like rarely comes into Ash Church. Oh, fuck. Well, it was nice to see his garden anyway. Nice to see his plants. Nice to know that I could go over there and get cuts of all those those moms.

2:44:46Collin PalmerThat bull rider, brother, you should grab that. That thing's...

2:44:51BubblemanI am. I will. I had it before. Great. I haven't grabbed that in years. Yeah. Is that the real... Well, okay, so yes and no. The bull rider you speak of is the San Diego family. They had... That's the one I had. That's the OG bull rider. So Raz... My old buddy Raz, who worked at Emory Seed Shop, and I made bubble with him a bunch of times.

2:45:17BubblemanHe was actually, I think, roommates with Jeff Tech. And so they had a whole scene together. I think they at one point in time were both married to the same woman, Michelle Rainey, not at the same time, obviously, but they have a very close relationship. Raz got, he knew the San Diego guys. He got the bull rider cut from them and he gave it to Jeff. Jeff crossed it with an Afghan.

2:45:43BubblemanAnd then it became what we know as the Bull Rider, which is the Afghani Bull Rider. And it's very candy. It's very just like unique. It's got a great taste. It kind of just makes you feel like you're eating a dessert. I haven't really seen it in a long time. I heard that he got the cut to someone in an LP and I saw the flower, but I really didn't think it was a good rubber.

2:46:06BubblemanI could smell that it was like a distant... You know, it was in there way, way back. But the thing about Afghan Bull Rider, especially when it was grown by Black Paw or Jeff Tech or Raz, it was just amazing. It was a great expression where you were like, even if you didn't like that cultivar, you would like it because it was grown so well and it just, you know, smelled so well, smelled so good.

2:46:32BubblemanGot it.

2:46:33Collin PalmerYeah. I remember the Afghan, the Blue, the Bull Rider being just super, super dank OG. Very different.

2:46:44BubblemanYeah. Golden Coast says Hogs Breath and Bull Rider are some of San Diego's best. I will buy that Bull Rider cut if you can get it. Well, how inappropriate would that be? Private message me after the show, bro. I'm just joking. I'm not doing that. I don't sell cats, but I do. I do support nurseries and tissue culture companies that do. I think that would be amazing if suddenly, you know, I think what Mojave said a while ago on Hash Church about drawing a line in the sand with groups like Phylos, where they say, look, we're not just going to take any representation of OG.

2:47:20BubblemanWe're going to go into the Into the families that we know, the groups of people that we know, we're going to stick with the OGs that have the deepest lore and the biggest stories and the longest history. And those are the ones that we'll draw the line at. And if that could be done, just to have a true representation of cultivars available in tissue culture, because they're tissue culture, you just order them from anywhere in the world, no cannabinoids, nothing illegal.

2:47:47BubblemanTo be able to do that would... Really propel the cannabis community in a very quick fashion. Because the majority of that open source stuff All of that is free to use, right? Unless you're doing some crazy university breeding project and protecting your genetics the way Sam had to. And I think there's a lot less of those people. The majority of people are just buying packs and trading seeds and selling seeds, which means it's all up for grabs.

2:48:20BubblemanYeah.

2:48:20Collin PalmerNo, well said. I think you're right. We need a suppository, so to speak, or depository, I should say.

2:48:28BubblemanI was going to say, damn, where's Colin going with this?

2:48:32Collin PalmerNo, in the spirit of Dr. Allen. But...

2:48:39Collin PalmerIn reality, I think the industry needs also differentiation too. Farms need someone to be able to hold that stock for them so they can develop their own voice and all of this as cultivators as well so they can bring unique things to the market that are grown specifically by certain farms. I think the White Thorn Rose is a good example of that. You know, there's a lot of great examples of in-house genetics that people are breeding for themselves to grow and learn about.

2:49:11Collin PalmerAnd I think something like that would be helpful, I think, as we move forward. You know, having that diversification and then individuality, it helps develop a voice, I think, as a cultivator, you know, and... You know, it just broadens the conversation a little bit. It's like a musician that doesn't play covers, right? Sure, it's nice to play the classics and be able to do that, but isn't it great to write new music and continue to contribute?

2:49:42Collin PalmerI think that's kind of the spirit of where I'm going with it. So, yeah.

2:49:49BubblemanAppreciate that a lot. Colin Calmer of the Yankin Riffs.

2:49:57Collin PalmerYeah, you can risk my reggae, late night reggae.

2:50:00BubblemanThat's your reggae band, man.

2:50:02SpeakerThat is your reggae band.

2:50:05BubblemanOh, my goodness. Well, it is a beautiful day here in British Columbia as well. It's nice to have summer here. I'm not going to lie. We had a long, cold winter. Not that we get a very cold temperature, but even zero, like Celsius, whatever that is, 32 or 36 Fahrenheit. It's brutal here on the West Coast. Where I come from, it was minus 38 Celsius. And that was brutal too.

2:50:31BubblemanThis is not as brutal, but you get spoiled after 28 years and then you feel like, yeah, this is cold as fuck. So once the nice weather comes in, it's like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get the boat in the water, do a little paddle boarding, enjoy summer, do some hikes. And of course, sprinkle a little bit of hash into all of that because a sprinkle, Goes a long way.

2:50:59BubblemanThat is the truth.

2:51:02Collin PalmerIt's beautiful right now.

2:51:04BubblemanAll the way across the board, hey, right over to New York, from Vancouver to New York.

2:51:08Collin PalmerI'm heading out to the beach after this, my man, for sure. Vermont's always beautiful, right, Dr. Mark?

2:51:14SpeakerYeah, it is. It's a beautiful day on the lake. It was a little bit of a chop out there earlier today, but it looks like it's settled down quite a bit. How big is that lake? Lake Champlain, it's big. Like it's inland sea. In fact, we live on Mallet's Bay, which is a bay that kind of is separated from the greater part of the lake. But out on the open lake today, they said there were between two and three foot swells.

2:51:45SpeakerSo yeah, I mean, it's probably... I guess just like any other big lake, I mean, it could be just as rough as an ocean out there. It seems like, right? So theoretically, Mark, I could get my kayak in here. I could put my kayak in here and I could kayak all the way to you.

2:52:06BubblemanYeah, well, it's a big lake for sure. It's like 172 kilometers. That is very big.

2:52:17SpeakerYeah, and it shares, there's quite a bit of, the lake is in Canada too. You could cross international border and still.

2:52:24BubblemanLike the Great Lakes. The Great Lakes are huge. Lake Champlain is about half the length of the shortest of the Great Lakes. Great Lakes are, and the surface area of the smallest Great Lake is almost 15 times that of Lake Champlain. Those Great Lakes are monstrous. How long and why? That's the one I wanted to find out. 120 miles long and 13 miles at its widest point.

2:52:52BubblemanThat's pretty cool. That's long.

2:52:55SpeakerYeah, but it's like, it's really nice because on the Vermont side, you can kind of see the Adirondacks. You can see Mount Marcy and Whiteface. And that's where they had the Lake Placid Olympics, you know, so there's a big mountain range there. I think they go as high as like 5,000 feet. And then when you're on the New York side, you're looking across the lake at Vermont and the spine of the Green Mountains go up through Vermont.

2:53:24SpeakerSo it's really... It's really pretty here. I mean, this is the most beautiful time of the year to be here, to be honest. More beautiful than fall? Well, fall's nice, too. Different, though, right? We get inundated with leaf watchers who like to see the leaves turn, but, you know, we need that tourism dollar, so I'm not going to poop on that, but... Yeah, it is beautiful. I'm telling you, it's beautiful up here every season, you know, even in the so-called stick season or the mud season, right?

2:53:59SpeakerWhich is in between winter when everything's white and when everything greens up in the springtime. So it's older season. Yeah, well, they call it mud season, right? Because it's just the back roads are super muddy and the roads get ruddy because they freeze. When it gets really cold and you have these, you know, basically soft roads that, you know, are easy to form big ruts. And so, yeah, I mean, there's kind of like, it's an unsaid thing.

2:54:32SpeakerYou know, Vermont, it just takes longer to get everywhere, longer to do everything. Just it's, it's difficult place to live, but it's really nice when you, when you can settle.

2:54:44BubblemanAs long as you're not type A, you'll be fine in Vermont. Is that what you're saying?

2:54:50SpeakerWell, even if you are type A, I mean, there's type A people in Vermont.

2:54:56BubblemanThey must be swearing at people in traffic with maniacs. Well, yeah, I mean. Yeah, yeah, they are. People from Boston and New York going up to Vermont and giving it a go. I'm going to live up in Vermont.

2:55:11SpeakerWell, I can tell you we get a fair number of people from Quebec. Even after the tariffs, it still seems like we get a fair number of Canadians who come down here for a variety of reasons. I think they like shopping at the Costco down here. I see Canadian plates in there, but, you know, whatever. It's all one fucking world, man. I don't... So what? There's a stupid border up here.

2:55:42SpeakerWhat does that mean exactly? I don't know what it means.

2:55:45BubblemanIt means I haven't been to America in 30 years. That's what it means. But may the gods rain a blessing down upon me and I will get my waiver next month. And if I do, I will be making the tour of America. I'll be heading down to all sorts of different folks visiting you guys in your different states, visiting all my brands, partners, my brand partners in different states.

2:56:12BubblemanI'm, I can't tell you how excited I am to actually get down there for the first time. Everyone's like, you shouldn't go to America, right?

2:56:18SpeakerBut you are, you should time it for during fish tour, right? We go ahead, some fish shows.

2:56:23BubblemanWell, I'll be honest. I'm so busy with it that there'll be no timing it. In August, if I get the waiver, I will have to go to Michigan. I'll have to go to Colorado. I'll have to go to New Mexico. I'll have to go to, there's a lot of states I have to go to. And even if I only go to them for like two or three days a piece, it still ends up being like, 30 days away from home.

2:56:44BubblemanThat's what you're saying last time. I'm not going to be able to get to them all, I don't think, in one trip, but definitely it's going to be on fast. So I suspect the fish part won't be difficult because it's been forever.

2:56:59SpeakerWell, there's some shows coming up in Hampton, right? There's kind of like a fall tour coming up. Colin, maybe me and you should... Figure out how we can wrangle Bubble Man to a show.

2:57:12Collin Palmer100. Yeah. And like, dude, MSG all day long. It got us like. Oh, yeah. MSG.

2:57:16SpeakerLet's go.

2:57:17Collin PalmerNew Year's Eve. 100%. Yeah. Let's go. Anytime. Just we're going to. We bring the wives.

2:57:27BubblemanDo you have New Year's plans yet?

2:57:28Collin PalmerBring whoever you want.

2:57:30BubblemanI just, as long as my wife's there, you know?

2:57:33Collin PalmerYeah, she's welcome. Come on, come on, come on, dude. Let's do it. I think it's, we need to do a Hash Church MSG for sure.

2:57:42BubblemanHash Church at MSG. We're here at MSG backstage with the band formerly known as The Fish.

2:57:51Etienne FontanAre you going to the SF Dead Show?

2:57:54SpeakerDNC. You know, we sat on the fence. We thought about it. Boy, those tickets are expensive. It's not a cheap show. Yeah, I mean, we're still on the fence, but maybe not. It depends. Now they're talking about broadcasting it, so maybe we would just at home or stay at home, but it's going to be a large shit show, right, ATN? I mean, a lot of people coming in for that, I imagine.

2:58:24Etienne FontanOh, absolutely. A friend of mine who was I went with to Wade yesterday was if you were going, he wanted to hook up with you. But yeah, that was why I was asking. But yeah, it's going to be crazy. I mean, dead shows here were already crazy enough. And so everybody and anybody who either missed that opportunity or of course, the real deadheads are going to want to be there and they will pay And can afford to necessarily pay those necessarily exorbitant prices for those tickets.

2:58:53Etienne FontanSo it's going to be crazy regardless, but that they're broadcasting.

2:58:57SpeakerIt's at the polo grounds? It's at the polo grounds?

2:59:01Etienne FontanI don't know. That's where they're doing it? If it's at the Polo Grounds, it's going to be huge.

2:59:08SpeakerIt's going to be huge. Yeah, so it's like where they have Outside Lands Festival and all that kind of stuff, right? It's basically the festival fairgrounds. Yeah, I mean, the greater part of the park is huge. I mean, you have the Panhandle and there's just going to be so many people. That place is going to be a fucking zoo, ATN. It's going to be completely overrun. I was at the thing 10 years ago that was in...

2:59:35SpeakerSoldier Field in Chicago, right? The fare thee well, 50 years. So what ATN is referring to is what they're calling GD60. It's the 60th year since the Grateful Dead started. Grateful Dead started in 1965. So here we are in 2025 celebrating 60 years of Grateful Dead music. Oh my God, when I think of that number, that just seems... So fucking long ago, right? I mean, the 60s was, oh, 60 years ago.

3:00:07SpeakerJesus Christ. So, yeah, I mean, it's going to be huge. Billy Strings is warming up the first night. I think the second night, it's a country guy. Who is it? Is it Jeff Church? I forget.

3:00:25BubblemanWho's got the Billy Strings links? He's coming to Vancouver in August.

3:00:29SpeakerYeah. Oh, go. I could set you up with Billy. So Billy's playing the first night, but then Trey Anastasio band from Fish. So Trey and his band playing the third night. So, yeah. So it's going to be three nights. I would love to be there. It's right around the beginning of school year, so it's kind of the timing isn't so great for us. But yeah, those people who can go if you're in the San Francisco area, I imagine you're going to be going, right, ATN?

3:01:01SpeakerNo, you're going to stay far away.

3:01:04Etienne FontanNo, no, no. I like the scene. I'm not into the music. Sorry. I mean, I appreciate it and the people and all that, but I never got into the dead music or fish. You know, I was kind of wondering, you know, how do you choose daily which one to listen to? You know what I'm saying? But, you know. I know it's a feel and people love it, but I have a lot of my friends and a lot of people I know are diehards who were part of the scene.

3:01:31Etienne FontanYou know, SEVA Foundation used to invite us to gather signatures, but we're not doing any of that, so there's no reason for me to be there.

3:01:40SpeakerYou're in Berkeley, which is like one of the mainstays, you know. I think Phil was from Berkeley originally, maybe. Yeah, I live at Daly. It's...

3:01:51Collin PalmerHe went to school. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. But I mean, they're all Marin County, really, the dead, really.

3:01:59SpeakerWell, traditionally, they were down on the peninsula, right? And then they moved to Marin as soon as they had money and they could move out of the hate, right? I mean, the Summer of Love, which was 1967, is when they lived in, you know, 710 Hate Street or 710 Ashbury, rather. And, yeah. Yeah, they recorded their first album with Warner Brothers and started getting a little notoriety.

3:02:28SpeakerAnd as soon as they got money, yeah, they moved up to Marin. I know Mickey had a ranch in Novato and Bob was near. Does he still have that ranch?

3:02:38Collin PalmerDoes he still have that ranch?

3:02:41SpeakerYeah, I think he might, you know, Jerry for a long time lived on Stinson Beach. So yeah, I mean, they all had kind of like, you know, when they achieved wealth and had a little bit of success, you know, were able to move off and into the... Well, Phil was definitely born in Berkeley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Jerry, I think was originally from San Francisco, but I think he kind of paled around with most people in Palo Alto down.

3:03:12SpeakerAnd Bob was originally from, God, what's that super uber wealthy community right there? In Palo Alto, right by the university, right by Stanford. Bob was actually adopted and he was from that area. But yeah, so anyway, GD 60, it's going to be a great celebration and I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun for the people who go, but I bet you it's going to be a fucking shit show.

3:03:42SpeakerLike just a lot of people, huge logistics, just people everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Like Phil last said, it was never meant to be a private party. So yeah, indeed, not a private party.

3:03:58BubblemanWell, I want to thank you guys for showing up and hanging out today and sharing in the conversation. I want to give a big shout out to Monica and in regards to Wade Laughter's celebration of life. Thank you, Etienne and Maggie and all of the people that made that happen. It was special. You can go on the channel and you can watch it if you like. You can hear some of the stories of people that Wade Laughter touched.

3:04:22BubblemanUh, deeply. Um, and, uh, yeah, thanks everyone for watching. Thank you. You know, Ty grow and, uh, the other gentlemen who won. The giveaways today, you'll be getting your Presco giveaway as well as bubble bag giveaway. Just send me your, actually, I've already got your address and I've already forwarded it to shipping. So your bag should go out early Monday morning. So expect those. We'll look forward to hearing from you.

3:04:51BubblemanWe will be back next week for Hash Church. I'll try to get my shit together and make the page like tonight with the Zoom and everything and send out the links to get everyone. Thank you for watching.