Canifest, Long-Flowering Sativas and Rosin

0:15BubblemanAll right, let's see if we're going live here. Let's see if we're going live here. Looks like it. Looks like it. All right, let's hit the record button.

0:30BubblemanThere we go. Welcome, everybody. Another Sunday morning, August 31st. We are in, let me just shut these audios off. We are in Hash Church season 11, episode 35 today. If you can imagine, shout out to everyone that's in the room. I see the Wooly Farmer and the Dirty the Grower and the Uterus Spaceship and John Maddox and James and Buddy Weeds and Vegaman66 and Boro Josh and Alex Techman.

1:01BubblemanI appreciate you guys for always being here. I meant to come in and chat with you guys this morning, but yeah, things got going here pretty quick. We'll see how we go today. I did send out the link very late. We'll see who shows up. We'll see who shows up. I got some beautiful flavors to puff on today while we are here. Welcome, Caleb. How are you doing, buddy?

1:31CalebI'm good. How are you?

1:33BubblemanDoing really good, man. I got 14 new flavors to smoke on today, so I'm pretty stoked. Nice.

1:44CalebI've got some new stuff to smoke on as well. I'm at Cannafest today. It's all nice and overcast here in Arcata.

1:54BubblemanOkay, Arcata Cannafest, hey?

1:56CalebYeah, string cheese is going on for four hours tonight.

2:00BubblemanSo that's the, I was going to ask you if this is the one. Damn, man, that's awesome.

2:07SpeakerYeah.

2:07BubblemanA little string cheese incident, man. I'll tell you, the first time I ever saw string cheese was in Vancouver and Whistler. It was kind of, they did a Vancouver show, they did a Whistler show. It must have been like, fuck, I want to say like the 90s. Like 90-something, where they played this small venue in Whistler. There's never been a concert since. It was so insane. People were dressed like chickens, for God's sakes.

2:34BubblemanHere, let me put it on gallery so they can see. We got a little foam out there.

2:38CalebOh, this right here is a test wash of the Band-Aid haze that Buddy Lero is giving out a little. Samples of you see it's just so glassy and sheeny. But if you really look at it, it looks like mostly stocks, you know, like all these long flowering things, just smaller heads and abysmal yield. But I'm so excited to smoke this.

3:04BubblemanDude, it is crazy how the haze is, you know, it's tough on the hash maker. But boy, it's always been my favorite, like since very, very long ago. You know, I've told the story many times when my wife was like, oh, we should name our son Hayes for his middle name. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, seriously? She's like, yeah, you know, you always got so excited about the Hayes.

3:28BubblemanYou'd be like, it's the Hayes, it's the Hayes. And so she wanted to attach that excitement to our firstborn son's name. So he became Tosh Hayes. That is the truth. I want to quickly shout out our sponsors because, you know, I just let you in and got right into conversation. So I want to give them their comeuppance as they are a big deal to Hash Church. So just give me a quick second here.

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7:01BubblemanMan, I'll tell you, that was nasty. It was really nasty, dude. Like, I'm quite certain it was about six or seven grams of reclaim that came out of that thing. Do you recycle your reclaim and you just toss it? Yes and no. I have in the past. I've given it to people. This came out and it was so disgusting. I tossed it. And, you know, I do a thing where, you know, I put a little extra water and I thought, if I'm lucky, this is all going to pour out.

7:30BubblemanAnd 99% of it poured out and one big glob got stuck in the neck. And then like... It was just like a nightmare. It looked like peanut butter that someone just like, you know, spread on the inside of the ship. And yeah, it made it a lot harder.

7:47Etienne FontanCotton mouth.

7:50BubblemanIt made it difficult, man. Let me tell you. I want to shout out the Fraser Valley Rosin group. These guys can be found at Fraser.Valley.Rosin3.0 on Instagram. And I got a ton of jars from these guys the other day. They got all sorts of fun little graphics. You know, funny enough, I posted a couple of these and someone actually got mad at the graphics. What kind of stupid fucking graphic?

8:15BubblemanI'm like, dude, it's just fun. I think it's I think it's all good. It's like, what a waste all that glass. It's like, well, it's a jar. You have to put the hash in it. Like, what should we put it in parchment again? Was that like a good idea? Let it all dry out.

8:29Etienne FontanI saw those. The only thing I saw was the copyright infringement stuff. That's the only thing that I see. It's all black market. It's all gray market. So they're not worried about any infringement whatsoever.

8:42BubblemanAlthough I will say that... With cartoons, copyright, how long does copyright last? It's like 30 years or something?

8:51Etienne FontanIt can last up to 100 years depending on the copyright. Some of Disney's are just coming available, right? That's why there's a Bambi horror movie and some of the others because it took 100 years for those, but those were refiled, so I'm not sure of the

9:07BubblemanBut South Park's been making fun of Mickey Mouse for a long time and they've got the best lawyers. They're the ones that know when a copyright is over. And if you go on South Park and look at some of the stuff, I think I've seen the Looney Tunes on there, Donald Duck, like all sorts of crazy shit.

9:22Etienne FontanThat spans from when Mickey Martin, rest in peace, he was a edibles person here in the United States. I remember him. You remember him. It's more explained for people who don't know who he is. And so he put out a line of edibles that basically mocked and After, you know, like the Hershey's, the Almond Joy and things like that. Those people are fucking litigious and they went after him and that.

9:49Etienne FontanSo that was that was the only thing that I could see that was a concern. But yeah, I mean, beautiful rosin is beautiful rosin. But, you know, how it's packaged. Yeah, it should be in jars and things like that. We're not going back to parchment and stuff.

10:03BubblemanOh, my God, dude.

10:05Etienne FontanBut there'll be another advancement, right? Somebody be like, oh, it can't touch a jar at the bottom and it'll come in suspended levitation so that it is, you know, refrigerated and kept in its, you know, cryogenic perfection.

10:20BubblemanNano bits of metal in the hash that allow it to magnetically float above the, yeah, I could see it getting as ridiculous as we're willing to take it. But I'm going to hit this money ball anyway for a morning rip.

10:35Etienne FontanI guess I should light this fatty then. I wrote this joint. I see. I see. Caleb, you went to Cannafest yesterday. Is that still going or is that only a one day thingy?

10:47CalebOh, he is still going. It's a two day thing. Yesterday was like the hip hop day. And then today is like the jamming day.

10:57Etienne FontanSo up in the Emerald Triangle, there's a there's a festival called Cannafest where there's music and hash and it's bumping. And yeah, Caleb kind of showed us on our science stuff yesterday what was going on there. And he and his crew of cannabis misfits were out in full force and puffing tough and showing everything that's going on. So What was what was the amazing thing about the day besides just all the great hashing music?

11:29CalebSo it's like the third year that they've been doing Cannifest. Today was one of the hotter days in Eureka Arcata in the coast here near Humboldt. It was like 70. And you could see who was the locals because they were wearing jackets, sweaters, and then the people that were coming into town We're very much enjoying weather. The coolest thing I think about Cannafest is honestly there's this glass blowing competition.

12:02CalebYou know, most people are used to the flower and hatch competition portion and they like remove the award show portion of Cannafest this year and extended it so they have one in October for the competition that they're running this year. And But the glass competition is interesting. It's called Glass Face. And last year, they did it as well. And there's like a functional piece competition, like a non-functional piece competition, I think.

12:38CalebAnd it's just really interesting because it's like a combination of all the culture, all the different cultures in cannabis kind of converge here. And it's like right on the waterfront in a public park. The other cool thing that's not cannabis related directly that happens is there's a yearly graffiti competition. So the entire walk along the waterfront walkway in Eureka, they have a whole section that they let 100 artists tag, and then whichever one has the best tag

13:15CalebAll of the artists have their art on display for the next year until another hundred artists get to come in. And, you know, Eureka and Arcata are definitely towns that have a lot more murals than the average town. And I guess the Emerald Triangle is a lot more artists than the average triangle.

13:37Etienne FontanNo, that's great because Thank you for joining us.

13:59Etienne FontanAnd it was just hard then to find venues, right, that will allow, you know, on-site consumption and glass blowing and all that's been really, really tough in California. So I'm very happy to hear that, you know, that's happening again because that is such, you know, a crucial piece of the, you know, the West Coast story is, you know, the glass, you know, on top of, you know, the graffiti and stuff like that.

14:23Etienne FontanSo it sounds like it's becoming more and more of a celebration of, you You know, the true culture than just another Slinger event, right? Yeah, I shout out the glass community too.

14:34BubblemanI'm sure D-Rec is a part of that in some way, shape or form. He definitely helps PuffCon do their glass thing. He definitely helped Doug back in the day doing that. And D-Rec was one of the first glassblowers I met way back in the day when I picked up Slinger. Hitchhiking on the way to the Gorge shows in 98. I ended up picking up Jason Lee as well.

14:57BubblemanDidn't know them for a hole in the head, but that's kind of how I ended up meeting those guys. And I had a bunch of trippy coincidences with Marbleslinger and his roommate, Zach, and this other guy who I had met all of them in 95, never seen them again till 98, and then met them all again within 30 days. Thank you so much for joining us today.

15:18BubblemanWe're going to get started in about a minute.

15:46BubblemanYou know, Contrabasso passed away recently. We're all getting older. Life is, you know, ending for some of us. So it would be great to get as many as, you know, Marcel Braun and all these epic guys, even Pedro Smiley from back in the day. You know, Zach, there was a lot of these, you know, when I met them hitchhiking, they were all living in Bellingham. And I'm telling you, there was an insane group of glassblowers living in Bellingham in the late 90s.

16:16BubblemanRight as bubble bags was being created and formed, those glassblowers were a huge part of the bags going down the West Coast and making their way through Portland and through California, Northern California. Jeff Church, who was one of our panelists here for many years, was huge for that. He would buy bubble bags in Vancouver off me and then drive them all the way down You know, the I-5 or whatever the road is there that goes all the way down.

16:45BubblemanAnd it was a pretty cool little, you know, that's how he linked up with the Bizarre Brothers and the star rating became a thing. So it's a fun little history to follow it back. And the glassblowers were completely intertwined the entire time. When I met those glassblowers, I smoked only joints. And they were like, oh, you know, Slinger was like, I got to get you smoking bongs.

17:06BubblemanI kind of... Like jumped over the bong, you know, the people that would just push a flower into a flower bowl and then rip bong rips a flower. I very rarely did that. I was kind of like, by the time Slinger got me into glass, it was stainless steel screens. A match and full melt bubble bubbling on the stainless steel screen. So, yeah, you can imagine. I mean, I met those guys in 98 before I started the bubble bag company.

17:37BubblemanAnd then they were with me the entire time as I started it. They would come up and hang out at my house a couple of doors down. It was pretty awesome. I'm not going to lie. So hopefully we can get a really good glass church with D-Rec helping curate. I'd love to get Slinger. I'd love to get Hops. I'd love to get Dizzle. I'd love to get Marcel Braun.

17:59BubblemanSo many, so many. I'd love to get Bach. You know, there's a lot of great glass blowers that we could do on glass church. So it's in the works and hopefully it comes to fruition here sooner than later. Welcome, Colin.

18:16Collin PalmerWhat's up? Nice. Yeah, this is a, what is this? This is a sourdough skittles mix. So I did a 50-50 blend on this.

18:31Etienne FontanHey, Caleb, I see you're in a garden. What's that plant you're sitting next to?

18:37CalebI grabbed the gardener to get an intro, but there's some little backyard boogie. Going on here.

18:45Etienne FontanI saw that. You're looking all incognito there. And I was like, that's pot plant. Mm-hmm. So I'm very excited about this glass church because, yeah, I met D-Wreck actually at the chalice and I have a little motherfucker from him, him and Toph. Nice. He's supposed to have a mothership. He made a motherfucker with upside down crosses and skulls all over it. It's great. And then when I won my case against the federal government, I had a bottle of Louis XIII, I saved when I originally got the court case and I bought it and saved it in case I won my case because my lawyers and everybody said, you're not winning this case, dude.

19:35Etienne FontanWon the case and then celebrated that bottle with my friends and then I sent that bottle to D-Wreck. And he etched it. And then I gave it to my business partner as a gift. And that's his decanter for his alcohol is a special Louis the 13th crystal carved done by D-Rec. That's awesome. Yeah. So D-Rec's solid, always just awesome cat. He he had his own addictions and kicked it.

20:03Etienne FontanHe's been clean for, you know, alcohol for years and he's been You know, shout out to him. And I've watched him on his journey as he, you know, it's hard being an underground artist and, you know, trying to keep life straight. And he went that hard road, cleaned himself up, and he's back at it stronger than ever. So mad respect and much love because climbing up that whole man is fucking hard.

20:29Etienne FontanAnd anybody who does it deserves respect.

20:32BubblemanAbsolutely. No, I've known D-Wreck for like 30 years. Like he was curly haired, young 20 something year old kid when I met him and just an awesome guy.

20:45Etienne FontanAnd his appreciation for the art as well as you know how he's done he's helped curate as you stated and that's that's key and and you know I come from the art world from going through college and I my world was printmaking and to watch the rise from working at the Galaxy Gallery back in the 90s right when Snotty would come in occasionally with Thank you so much for joining us.

21:37Etienne FontanThat whole crew there in Bellingham going back is just epic.

21:42BubblemanWell, you gotta shout out Eli and Ezra. Okay, Eli and Ezra are these two brothers. And I can't remember if it was Eli or Ezra. I feel like it might have been Ezra. Randomly one day bought like 10 or 12 Herbert Arnold torches from Germany. And I remember the GT torches were very small and had a couple of dials, but the Herbert Arnold torches were complex and none of them had any idea how to really dial them in or use them.

22:14BubblemanBut he just went and bought these Rolls Royce of torches. I really had no idea just how crazy they were until I took a trip to Amsterdam and met up with Nate Dizzle and Steve Hopps and then I put them in my friend's van who brought me his van to Amsterdam. He was supposed to be picking us up and driving us to Germany but he drops off his van and says I can't come with you and I'm like well What the fuck are you talking about, dude?

22:39BubblemanLike, you just want me to drive your van from Amsterdam to Germany? This is like years ago. He had GPS, but there was no phone GPS. And his GPS, within about five minutes, someone pushed a button and it went German. So it was now speaking to us in German. So we didn't really understand what it was saying. And it was an old GPS that wasn't, it wasn't as easy as you thought to follow it.

23:03BubblemanSo we're basically driving blind. To go meet up with Martin from Ruhr in Frankenthal, which is fucking butt fuck nowhere in Germany. Like this place is in the middle of fucking nowhere, dude. And if you go there, it's the most complicated, like the way the rivers and the canals. Oh my God. So that happened. And that's how I ended up bringing those guys. That's how those collaborations ended up happening with Ruhr and Dizzle and Ruhr and Hopps.

23:32BubblemanAnd I think one Ruhr, Hopps, Dizzle, which I believe Flav 421. Uh, bought most of those bongs, but yeah, shout out to Martin as well from Roar. He was, um, he was the European guy doing what the Bellingham guys were doing, but he was doing it in Frankenthal and he caught the eyes of, of, of skunk man, Sam and Dave always hit out of Roar bongs. Dave recognized that the rip you get out of a Roar bong just wasn't like the rip you get out of a gear bong or some of the other bongs and to the naked eye, it just looks like a bong, but, uh, lo and behold, uh, It is not.

24:08BubblemanIt was special.

24:24BubblemanI'm not exactly sure, but yeah, the history of that company is pretty wild to have that company, the headiest bong company come out of Frankenthal, Germany from a dude who's literally doesn't smoke bongs and just smokes like tobacco joints mixed with flour. It was super trippy that, uh, There's no way that it should be. There's just the way that it is. You don't have to be any particular way.

24:53BubblemanSo embrace your hypocrisy.

24:57Collin PalmerRemember Zong?

25:00Etienne FontanZong? Yeah.

25:01CalebRight?

25:02Etienne FontanRemember that? Yeah, my friend still has one. She loves smoking out of her Zong. She's had it since college, right? They used to be thicker, but now they're really thin. But that's happened to a lot of glass companies, right? They started off with a really nice, heavy borosilicate, and then it got thinner and thinner, and the bases get thinner and thinner, all that over time, unfortunately, which You know, it's just the reality.

25:31Collin PalmerI'm thinking of, I mean, Jerome is really stuck with the bomb. Like, out of all the blast blowers from that era, he's really kept...

25:44Etienne FontanHe had the first mothership, right? Which was his the headiest of all, which is all the heavy marbles. But yeah, I mean, he's been solid, you know, putting them out. I mean, they're not they haven't been the easiest to find. I was fortunate when I worked at the Galaxy used to drive by in his van and he just come in and just stack out a whole bunch of boxes and we go through and then figure out what was what.

26:09Etienne FontanAnd You know, he would produce en masse in Mexico and bring them on up to the United States. And yeah, I mean, it was really the first decorated bong, right, that had some sort of fuming in it, right in the base, a little bit of silver, a little bit of gold, whatever. That was a color changer, right? Whereas most of your regular glass stuff, graphics and stuff, was just straight glass.

26:33Etienne FontanSo they were really the first ones to put marbles in to really push that envelope. And the cannabis public responded. They liked that shit.

26:45Collin PalmerYeah. That's a rad guy. I spent time with him in Las Vegas, where he currently is, and You know, it's just, it's awesome to see someone so true to form still sticking to the vision that they initially came in with. And I always respect that because it's, you know, most people don't understand how hard it is to be consistent like that. You know, it's a very difficult thing to have that singular vision, keep going, not be influenced too much.

27:13Collin PalmerI mean, sure, yeah, he's done rigs and stuff, but It's very much in his own style, which I've always kind of appreciated of him.

27:20Etienne FontanAnd he survived five dreams, right? Which was, you know, how many people got lost in that fucking sweep, right? We saw a lot of good fucking manufacturers die on the vine quick, unfortunately. We saw Tommy go to fucking jail over his son's bongs, right? That his son was manufactured. Dumb shit.

27:40BubblemanYeah, it was pretty bad for sure. It was 95 was the year I met Slinger, but he wasn't a glassblower. He had just graduated from film school in Ithaca, and I met him near a cloner. And the only reason I know this is because I had a tape that I came home... After meeting him in 98, picking him up on fish tour hitchhiking, I just felt like I had met him before.

28:04BubblemanAnd I went through all my Amsterdam tapes and I found a tape where you can't see his face, but you can hear his voice as clear as a bell. Like, yeah, yeah, I just graduated from Ithaca, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he wasn't a glassblower yet. But that same year in 95 that I met Slinger, I went to, and I'd have to ask Adam if it was the cannabis in Amsterdam or the no good buds.

28:28BubblemanI can't remember which one it was that year in 95 in November, but I went there and I met Jay Harris. Jerome Baker was there blowing glass in the back. That was in 95.

28:44Collin PalmerHe's still like, I rolled up. I rolled up to his. He's like, yeah, man, come down. We're doing this thing. We're just kicking it. Dude, I roll in and he's got like full table and he's just behind the flame just spinning it. And I was just like, I love this. Like, yes, like you're just you're doing what I would do.

29:02BubblemanLike, I just want to be doing it, like making it, you know, and that's that's my hat always went off to the glass floors because I am not willing to. To stare at a flame, to burn glass and inhale the toxic. Like I was always like the first time Slinger showed it to me, I guess really Jay showed it to me. That was the first time I ever saw it.

29:25BubblemanI was kind of like in Amsterdam, all baked and just off a plane. I really got to absorb it more from Slinger a few years later. And it was just like, I was like, Everything about this is bad. This is like, this is like, you're going to get like sore arms. You're going to, your eyes are going to get pooched. You're breathing in random shit. And he was just like, you're not wrong, man.

29:48BubblemanYou're not wrong.

29:49Etienne FontanLike, holy shit, dude.

29:51BubblemanJust beaming silver and gold right off.

29:55Etienne FontanWith the little thing in their mouths, just puffing on it.

29:59BubblemanDude, shout out to the glassblowers. Honestly, I do believe there's a sacrifice that goes a little bit of, you know, and don't get me wrong, like this was also in the hillbilly days. Now these guys have the most incredible hoods. They've got it set up much better. The glasses, some of them are incredible. Like I've seen some pretty expensive like welder's goggle style that are just like, yeah, these are, this is what you need.

30:24BubblemanThe first time I wore the...

30:26Etienne FontanGo watch his team blow glass now and see how he does it. He does it actually. I bought a piece from him that they did at the Corning School of Glass. So, you know, they which if if you don't know, if you haven't, you should make if you're a glass person, Corning School of Glass in New York is fucking epic. And when I went through there, I actually saw he had two pieces and I ended up getting them both because they had a sale on.

30:54Etienne FontanWhen do you ever see a Yuxin? You know, you know, it was a combination between him. And another glassblower. But it's great that the Corning School of Glass is bringing in people like this to now teach and show and give demonstrations, right? Because not only are they doing it, they're teaching the other students and showing because, you know, those guys have really pushed the boundaries and are always pushing the boundaries.

31:27Etienne FontanI mean, it's amazing. And the collabs he does are on par with some of the best art in the world. As a collector, I love to collect collaborations myself because it's a creation between two artists, right? When do you get a Michelangelo and Leonardo collaboration? You know, together, you know, in a collaboration, right? And that's what you get in glass blowing, right? Which is unique combinations that you could not make or create or conceive otherwise, right?

32:05BubblemanWell, listen, when I first picked up Jason and Slinger, They would start sending me, and I think I have maybe four or five different ones from Jason Lee, prototypes of things that he was learning to make and hadn't been making yet. It hadn't been a thing yet. And so it was like, I mean, I got some of the first double bubblers when Jason learned that double bubbler seal and showed it to Slinger, who showed it to like they it just blew up and all the pipes suddenly just became these really lovely double bubblers for a short period of time there.

32:39BubblemanIt was I was incredible to be so close to these guys and not even really. You know, I mean, I realized it. It was and it just they coincidentally showed up right as Bubble was born. Like I met those guys before. Before I was Bubble Man.

32:58Etienne FontanYou need to document that stuff, take pictures of it, write stories about it, because that's part of glass history, especially those, because I've seen pieces, my friend Kenny from Trichome, he has one of the first motherships before they put mothership in the actual, you know, in the stem, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, those pieces and things like that, I mean, people hunt those, those early quaves and things like that.

33:24Etienne FontanYou know, collectors really appreciate, you know, those stepping stones that got us to where we are, to those percolators, to, you know, Swiss Perk, right? And what he did and the influence that has spread to others that, I mean, it's wonderful, the influence that the glasses had, but it's continuously evolving, right?

33:47Collin PalmerYeah. I think should be said is like Slinger really brought the Eugene culture to the east coast in a lot of respect in philadelphia for those that are listening here was a major hub for this idea of like one studio many many glass blowers in it and slinger I'd love to, you know, when we get him on, I'd love to have him talk about that time that he provided the space for all these other people.

34:16Collin PalmerLike Illidelf came out of this. There's like countless glass blowers that came from this collective mentality.

34:23Etienne FontanAnd I remember... Second Street Glass, all that, right?

34:25Collin PalmerTotally. I used to get on the Philly all the time to just like move stuff around. I'd go to the skate park, meet people at FDR. There was this one dude we used to call Hippie Wes. And Wes and I became super close. And There's just like this this culture of like-minded individuals that were on this like in that vernacular of like pushing the envelope but were really into high quality herb and just really um high quality water hash was like major in Philly for from like 90 really from like 2001 on like it was like this whole thing Marcus so you're right like I feel like Slinger was able to bring this kind of thing back and ignite this excitement.

35:05Collin PalmerAnd a lot of those heads that came from there, because I used to get onto the Philly drum circle all the time in the late 90s and the early 2000s. You know, that was a huge hub for all of us to kind of meet each other. And, you know, those that weren't on tour were off tour and You know, just it was a really unique time. So I'd love to hear him kind of talk a little bit more about that because it's it's totally part of his his world that he created, you know.

35:32Etienne FontanBut this all started from what Marcus and Mila and others created in hash. Yeah, because we needed new ways to smoke. And none of the big companies knew or were touched into the culture to understand what was needed, right? We saw, you know, the swing, right? The swing was the original titanium, right?

35:56BubblemanAnd then, you know, it's- I would take it back before the swing. For me, it was the mayor and it was made by the Holy Smokes, Paul DeFelice and Terry and rest in peace to Dustin Sunflower. They created this spoon that they bent and clamped to a blowtorch. So it was basically a spoon bent right over a torch. And then over the spoon, they had this like glass bell That went into a tube that went into a bong.

36:28BubblemanAnd these guys had this cherry oil and honey oil back in the day. So they called it the mayor of the mayor of Nelson. They would be we're going to have to sit down and consult the mayor. Let's talk to the mayor about this. And they they blast everyone out. And of course, back then it was like eleven hundred degree dabs. Glow is like the reason they use the spoon, in fact.

36:51BubblemanWas that the oil wouldn't like blow off because if it was flat, it would it would blow off. But that thing I'm telling you all naturally right in the spoon. It was the beginning of becoming higher than anyone had ever been on cannabis for our group. And it came out of the Kootenays. And those guys were the guys. They bring the mayor. I remember turning Breeder Steve on to the mayor and he was just like, oh, my God, I have to have one of these.

37:20BubblemanHis big honey jar full of oil and his mare that he'd go around just destroying people. It was something else. That was dabs before dabs. Then I would say... Maybe four or five years later, and you'd have to ask Hash Master Kut, who's on the island. I don't know his actual real name, but I would say that he would know whether or not his influence was, he might've seen the mare.

37:47BubblemanI have no idea, but I definitely know I saw the mare Before I saw the little titanium swing dish, which I thought was like an improved version of the mare because it also had the little bell over top of it to catch the smoke. It was like a portable mini mare because the actual mare was like... You know, like a borderline propane torch, like a giant blue canister with like the like full hillbilly redneck level 17, like hilarious shit.

38:22Etienne FontanWe had access to when in can this guy would come by with this hash oil. And the only way that we had back in the day before tools was going and buying those pucks of gunpowdered little pucks that you'd light and you'd light them and charcoal and you'd wait for the black to burn off and it would be gray and you'd scrape off the gray and then that red charcoal and you would drop the Thank you for joining us.

39:23Etienne FontanDab tools. There weren't all these specific types of implements that are now key components, but we had to implement, right? I guess even further than that, we all ruined our parents' knives by sticking them in the spiral heaters. And doing hot knives, right? That was the other aspect of ingesting, right? And why are the tips of my knives rainbow colored? I have no idea what happened. That's really weird.

39:53Etienne FontanAnybody have any idea how that happened?

39:56Collin PalmerDude, we used to take a soldering iron and put it on a block of wood and then take a ball jar, a wide mouth and drill a hole in the top and stick a tube on it and then weld a plate onto the, you know, the You know, the soldering iron and then put a little piece of herb on it and then put the glass over top of it and take pools of it.

40:18Collin PalmerAnd that was like our first version of like, you know, making a homemade, you know, vaporizers.

40:26Etienne FontanRemember how high you got off that shit too? And you're just like, holy shit, man, this is amazing.

40:33Collin PalmerWe used to roll after skate sessions into my buddy Pete, Luke's house. And yeah, we used to... Made that thing in the garage. I'll never forget it. It's so funny.

40:43Etienne FontanLet me guess, you made a band, right? No, we were just skateboarding.

40:47Collin PalmerJust being like, yo, what if we did this? And my buddy Luke was, I'll never forget it. Just like stuck it right in the block of like a two by four. And he's like, I drilled a hole, put the thing in there.

41:01BubblemanYeah, it's crazy. The making pipes thing, my roommate almost got us completely busted from making a bong, if you can imagine. And I'll never forget it. We had the Terence McKenna Syzygy mushrooms growing in my closet upstairs. We had the cannabis grow in his bedroom through a secret wall, just two 400 light OptiMark bulbs. This was like 90. And he goes out to go get, you know, the makings, if you will, of a bong.

41:42BubblemanHe's like, I'm going to make a mason jar bong. Got some mason jars. I'm going to set up two of them. Got some tubing. I'm going to use a big bolt as the bowl. I'm like, all right, dude. So I'm sitting with my buddy, John, and we're in my big living room. And by the way, I'm also just selling weed. I have another secret door, like a big, tall secret door that when you push, it pops open and there's like four shelves and it was like seven feet tall.

42:07BubblemanAnd I had everything in there, except there was all a bunch of weed bags on my living room table. And I hear this, and I just look over at my buddy and I'm like, That sounded like a cop knock. And we just moved my curtains ever so slightly. It was big. We were sitting in a bay window, like an old San Francisco style, right? There's a window, there's a window, there's a window, but you could pretty much fit a couch in there.

42:39BubblemanAnd we just moved the drapes a little bit. And we see these two big cops and my roommate with his hands cuffed behind his back and his head Edwin Lindo, Edwin Lindo,

43:08BubblemanSo I go out, by the way, the house reeks like weed, not just from us smoking it, but also from it being grown in the house. And this is Winnipeg, Manitoba, where they would put you in prison with psychopathic murderers if they caught you doing this in Winnipeg in the timeline that we were doing it in. It was very frowned upon, let's just say, like in like Louisiana, like really bad.

43:33BubblemanAnd so I... Oh, preface to the story. The day before, my roommate is fucking around with the light out on the foyer, out on the front deck, and he breaks it. And I remember that as I'm coming out, I'm like, oh, because I go to turn the light on right before I open the door and it won't go on. So I'm like, fuck, there's no light. Oh, OK.

43:58BubblemanSo I open the door and I like come out really fast and shut the door behind me. Well, cops don't like that. That's why I wanted to turn the light on. So they were kind of like, you know, a little bit reactive. And this is the magic of the privilege that I happen to exist in in this moment. In this moment where now there's only one thing left to do for this guy to arrest me, force his way into the house and uncover everything.

44:25BubblemanBut instead, I hear the voice of an angel. Echo Bravo One. What? I said, that's my mom. That's my mom. He's like, pardon me? Paulette Richardson. She's my mother. She's on your radio. My mom is the 911 lady, the head 911 lady in Winnipeg. And I hear her fucking voice on his walkie talkie. And he picks it up. He's like, you know, he says his cop shit, Paulette, blah, blah, blah.

44:56BubblemanI'm at 168 Lenore Street. Does do you have a son that lives here? I sure do. Are you with him now? Say hi to him for me. And I'm just like, holy fuck, this is super surreal. My roommate's like literally shitting bricks because he's convinced. Oh, yeah. By the way, what happened? My roommate stole a bolt from the handyman store down the street, got caught, got arrested, brought the cops to our grow.

45:19BubblemanThis is how this all happened. The bull for the bong, for the bull, right? Yes. Yeah, he didn't have money for it. He had money for everything else. He just was like a little short. He was like, I'll just take the bull. So that brings the police to my house. And basically they wanted him to prove who he was because he had no ID on him. So they needed him to go into the house.

45:39BubblemanAnd get a piece of mail as well as his ID to show that they're connected to this house. And all of that went out the window when they were like, does he have a roommate named Jason Noctigal? And she was like, yeah, he sure does. That's his roommate. Okay, well, you guys have a good night. Bye-bye. It was just like that fast and that amazing. I am telling you.

46:00BubblemanHoly shit. Yeah, that was good. She got me out of a lot of trouble in Winnipeg, but I think that was probably the biggest one she doesn't know about unless she watches this episode.

46:11Etienne FontanDoes that scare you straight, Marcus?

46:15BubblemanNo, no, not at all. It made me think we have to be smarter.

46:18Etienne FontanYou were more empowered, right?

46:19BubblemanYou were like, oh, I can't be touched. It made me realize I have to be smarter. So I will be honest. I did move that roommate. That was my one and only roommate I ever had. I literally went and got him a place, signed him a lease, Got a moving truck, put all his shit in the moving truck, physically put him in the moving truck, drove to his new place, moved all of his stuff into the place, put him in the place, and basically never saw him again.

46:46Etienne FontanThat totally reminds me of this gravity bong. So gravity bongs of people who aren't aware, gravity bongs are a thing. My roommate steals a... We're going to make this into a bomb.

47:21Etienne FontanI'm like, what are you talking about? It's like, we're gonna make it into a gravity bomb. I'm like, okay. So he goes out on the porch, takes a garbage can, fills it with water, right? We take the cone, which then it gets submerged and just the top, Like four inches is sticking out of the water. So of course, oh, we need to create a bowl. So of course, what do we do?

47:46Etienne FontanThis is college. So, oh, we'll just take some aluminum foil, right? Cause you know, don't do this kids. Just, that's just bad. Um made a bowl and then there we are on the porch and uh yeah then as we're on the porch some guy from the because we're in a not large town drives by and sees security cone and of course the cone has the stenciling on it and proceeds to get out and um confiscated a very now stinky cone so we we were able to do like three hits and then lost it in a he threatened to call the cops and but you know fortunately that didn't go down but uh yeah i i did not have my mother working as a dispatcher to get me out of that it's one of those situations you just have to take it on the chin and Oh, well, I guess we have to find another road town.

48:47Etienne FontanThat's hilarious.

48:49Bubblemanyeah i uh i'll tell you i got out like i i remember one time being pulled over by a cop on a bicycle in winnipeg and he's writing me up a ticket and i'm kind of like i gotta drop my mom's name so i'm like oh my mom's gonna be so upset and he's like yeah well everyone's mom gets upset about their kids getting tickets i'm like i'm like yeah but mine works for the police and no sooner had i said that that i hear him ripping up the ticket And I just hear him go, yeah, I don't give police people tickets.

49:17BubblemanAnd he got on his bike and like, and drove away. And I had my buddy Jan visiting from Paris and he was just like, like what just fucking happened? Another time I came out of the bar. With my buddy, Sammy and Sammy was kind of a big native dude. And he just, he, he definitely looked away that if you saw him at night in any sketchy situation and you were the police, you would definitely be talking to him and asking him questions.

49:43BubblemanSo we got harassed by the police a lot. And we come out to my car and it has a hole in the back window. Someone smashed the back window and stolen our backpacks out of the back of the car. So we're like, fuck it. I'll just drive you home. We get in the car, we're driving. And we get pulled over and he's just like, oh my God, dude, the broken window.

50:03BubblemanLike he is going to fucking, he's, he's putting it all together before the cop gets up to our door. He's like, this is what's going to happen, dude. Like he thinks we stole this car. This is going to be bad. And he comes up and he leans in and he's about to say something. He goes, he goes, Mark. Oh, Mark Richardson? And this guy, I didn't actually know him through my mom.

50:25BubblemanHe was our neighbor at the lake where my uncle now lives at the Big White Shell. This guy was our neighbor, and he was a cop. And he comes over, and he's like, oh, ha, ha, ha. And he's laughing. He's like, what happened? Someone break into your car? I'm like, yeah, they stole our backpacks. He's like, oh, you want to write a report or whatever? I'm like, no, not at all.

50:43BubblemanHe's like, oh, man. He's like, I was going to fuck with you guys so bad. And then like basically lets us go. And my buddy, the whole ride home is just like, I can't even fucking believe that just happened, dude. Like what the fuck? I'll tell you, man. Probably going to fuck with you because he thought you was a stolen car, right? He would have. He would have.

51:04BubblemanAnd he told us, he even admitted it, that he was going to fuck with us. He was like, man, I was going to fuck with you guys so bad. I was just like, oh my God, like fucking just dodging bullets out here. Thanks to moms.

51:16Etienne FontanDid you ever like thank your mom randomly? Just like, mom, I just want to thank you for things you have no idea.

51:23BubblemanYou know, funny, funny enough, yes and no. But the one cop that I thanked the most was the cop who arrested me with all the Compassion Club flower back in 98. Because that led me to start Fresh Heddies. And that was like this, I couldn't see the sacrifice or the value of losing that weed for those people. I just was like, this is all just bad. And then it turned into like, no, this is like a journey of transformation where you're going to go from one thing to another thing.

51:57BubblemanAnd that other thing that you're going to go to is important and it's going to be needed in the world. So yeah, I'm pretty stoked that I... Yeah, I got to tell him, I was like, man, there's people making hash all over the world thanks to you. Like, forget about the 16 pounds you took from me. There are metric tons of hashish being produced worldwide. Kind of thanks to you.

52:20BubblemanI got to thank him and be honestly thanking him. I was, I don't hate him. He's actually like, I think the chief of police in West Vancouver now, the guy that busted me, the constable that busted me almost 30 years ago.

52:36Etienne FontanNo, thanking people for your journey, I think is a key part of your own journey. Years ago, I got kicked out of Catholic school after being caught with cigarettes and alcohol, 16, just on a choral competition and got caught in our competition's hotel room with the son of the principal. And of course, his mother was one of the chaperones. So it was basically a death sentence. And when I remember sitting in the principal's office and him just reading me the riot act, kid, you're absolutely nothing.

53:16Etienne FontanYou're going to amount to nothing. You're your own worst enemy. You're not going to do shit with your life. And boy, let me tell you, if those didn't get tattooed on the inside of my fucking eyelids throughout my life, that in moments of strife or when my back was against the wall, I thought of Mr. Coleman. In those words, and they would just echo in my soul like, no, motherfucker, I am going to prove you wrong.

53:46Etienne FontanI am right. And he became that catalyst. And I wrote to him. I found he friended me on Facebook like a decade ago. And I was like, oh, I got to tell him because you got to understand I grew up in very rural Cajun country in Louisiana. Very conservative. Absolutely. No discussion of cannabis. It might as well have been a death sentence or something like that back in the day.

54:10Etienne FontanSo. I wrote him and told him, I was like, dude, when I was in the trenches and war and fucking shit was going down, your fucking, what you told me fucking changed my life and became that motivation that sparked that within me. And I run the, I now run the oldest, you know, medical cannabis in the country. This is what I do. And he was like, Cool.

54:40Etienne FontanSorry, kid. Did not know I said that. I apologize. Did not mean to say that because that's a really asshole thing to say to a kid.

54:50BubblemanBut is it?

54:51Etienne FontanIs it?

54:52BubblemanLike, here's the thing. Like, this is an important discussion. Like, why does it move you to move mountains, but it might move the next person to become depressed and commit suicide? And then we create a culture where we're like, oh, no, we don't hurt anyone's feelings. Like, I'll be honest. I was doing YouTube videos there for a while. And I was also eating lots of dinners and getting a little heavier than I've ever been in my life.

55:18BubblemanAnd I'll never forget some dude came on and go and went, Bubble Man's getting fat. And I took that shit, dude, to like, oh, yeah, motherfucker. Like started work. I haven't stopped. In fact, started working out, like stopped consuming sugar the way I was, like changed my entire life through the inspiration of something that could be construed as bullying. Or, you know, today where they're like, you can't say that you can't body shame someone.

55:44BubblemanIt's like, well, I'll tell you. Thank you to whoever said that to me, because guess what? I totally was getting fat. I was like growing out a second chin. I was like 200 pounds. I'm usually like a buck 75, buck 80. So I like weighed 20 more pounds than I normally did. And it's just interesting that we're trying to eliminate There's people who are inspired like myself and Etienne with maybe that, you know, not tough love, but just sort of really like, I don't know what I'm trying to say, but I'm trying to say that there's probably a value in that.

56:20BubblemanAnd we have to decipher who needs that versus coddling or a participation trophy or, you know what I mean? Because there are people on both sides and I'm not trying to say that there aren't, but... Yeah, I just, I know that the more comfort I create for myself, the softer I get. And when I travel through difficulty, the harder I get. And I like myself So it's a weird catch-22 that it's like you live a hard life, you work hard, you want to try and like get a soft life, but that is definitely not what you want.

57:05BubblemanThat soft life will kill you.

57:08Collin PalmerYeah. No, yeah. I mean, I had the same thing happen to me at TN when I was younger. I mean, my principal basically said I'd be nothing. I mean, for lack of better words. I mean, he It was, you know, yeah, I mean, it's perspective is a crazy thing when they don't have it.

57:26Etienne FontanSo you think it's that they see the gift in us and see us not Thank you so much for joining us.

58:00Collin PalmerYou know, but you are better for that.

58:03BubblemanYou know, you're inspired me, dude. I was just like, this motherfucker's right.

58:07Etienne FontanI am getting fat in those moments of doubt and frustration. That's what rings in your ears, right? I remember when my my lawyer said, you're not going to win this case against the government. And all I heard was in my ear, Mr. Coleman's voice. You're not going to amount to anything. You're not going to, you know, right? Same happened to you, right, Colin? It's just in those moments when you're really challenged and you have to stand up for who you are, they kind of gave us a cane or a pillar to rise ourselves off of, of a chip off of our shoulders, right?

58:44Etienne Fontan100%.

58:46Collin PalmerAnd it's interesting, like Marcus, something you said is trying to strike me because I think today, you know, people take kindness for weakness. And I think that's a misconstruation of what that is, you know, and I think being a strong minded person has nothing to do with feeling in a lot of respect. It has to do with development of your own emotions, right? Like how emotionally mature are you in learning these lessons through life?

59:11Collin PalmerI think All of the bad, I think, allows you to learn and navigate and put the thread through things that if you had the choice, you wouldn't go through, right? So therefore, you're forced to go through and kind of be the red thread for yourself. And I think that's what's valuable, you know, through these tough experiences that I know all of us here have collectively shared. I think it's part of what builds that character that you have, you know?

59:39Collin PalmerAnd I think... Ultimately, that's where, you know, if we could bring it back to hash making, like, it's a challenge, you know, and that's where you have to work through these challenges. You know, so.

59:49Etienne FontanWell, and hash makers will be call you out on your shit, right? If it's not good, they're not going to coddle you like when you were just the weed seller. People would coddle you because you were the weed seller and you only they didn't want to piss you off because you were the weed seller. Well, now you're creating something that has beauty in their eyes and you're expecting them Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:00:40BubblemanWell, it's about how well you get up after being punched in the face. How do you take things? Because some people can get punched in the face and think of the punch in the face as sort of metaphorical for any type of trauma that may have occurred to you in your life. How do you react to that trauma? How well, how well do you get back up, dust yourself off?

1:01:01BubblemanBecause, you know, certain things I just thought as I was growing up, the trauma had to be very specific, you know, like, oh, your trauma must have been so hard for this to have happened to you. And it's like, no, like, it's just how you take it. It might have been like you didn't get enough hugs, might not have been like beatings every day for seven days a week.

1:01:20BubblemanLike there's a variety of ways that humans can become Thank you for joining us.

1:01:38Etienne FontanWell, we're shaped by our traumas, right? I mean, I think I credit a lot of childhood traumas with tempering my glass table, right? Everybody seems to have a glass table before them of their sanity and their mind, right? For some reason, a little bit of weight, We watch people shatter, right? For some reason, we can take a lot more weight, and I think it's tempering through these experiences of life.

1:02:07Etienne FontanAnd then what you were saying, Colin, right? We find our own self-confidence in it and realize, oh, if I can do this, then I can do that. Oh, if I can do this, then I can do that. Because We're all trailblazers in our own right, right? There were no trails before us. We kind of had to create and walk our own trails and then look behind and see us being criticized for how we did what we did when there was really no You know, a vision, right?

1:02:39Etienne FontanI mean, Marcus, it was random sparks of inspiration that allowed you to create and then find the investors and then go out and make it happen, right? It's one thing to ideate it. It's another thing to create it and then walk that journey. And now, You're a pioneer in what you do. Colin, you're a pioneer in what you do. I've been fortunate. So it's very interesting that psychologically we've been able to take motivations from the outside, turn them inward and affect our own change that in turn allowed us to be strong enough to affect the change that we've been able to share with others.

1:03:27Collin PalmerYeah, you know, the one thing I, I was talking to a good friend of mine about this thought the other day, and it's like, I feel like all of us have learned to be more comfortable with the uncomfortable. And learn to make that our world in which we occupy. And that unknown is actually really exciting. You know, and that's a hard, I think, that's a hard place to fall into.

1:03:54Collin PalmerYou know, it's a learned thing to be able to navigate when there is nothing. You know, and to really trust your intuition and trust yourself. That takes time to develop that.

1:04:08Collin PalmerI know it did for me. I, I, there were, you know, a good decade where I was like, I don't know, you know, but now I'm like, I don't know, but that's okay. You know, and you know what I mean? And that's, that's where, you know, I think that's, I invite others out there that are thinking that way to, To learn to trust yourself because that's where it'll start to feel better.

1:04:39Etienne FontanWell, you're in moments where you have nothing but to trust yourself because you're pushed to those by, you know, disbelief or law, right? We've been challenged by laws, some of us harder than others. Looking at you, Marcus, you actually had to go through a full-on trial and all that. There's, you know... And still dealing with the repercussions this many years later, right? You're now waiting for your release to hopefully be able to come down and see us, you know, because of that.

1:05:09Etienne FontanAnd that's, you know, respect to you. That was balls to do to fight and do everything and to take it on the chin and to accept the, you know, the plea agreement and all that other shit that you had to deal with. That's all. Not easy shit to have to deal with. These are all life-changing decisions in moments in time that test your mettle. M-E-T-T-L-E. That is where you find out who you are and most importantly, who your friends and family really fucking are.

1:05:43BubblemanYeah. Absolutely. Yeah, it was definitely, it was something else. It's definitely, I remember asking John Conroy, my lawyer, what's the maximum that I could like, what's the absolute worst case scenario? And he goes, Well, the maximum for this fine, which is anything over three kilos, is 25 years in prison. And I was just like, what are you talking about? That gave me such a heart attack, even though I knew I wasn't in America, which is where we were always worried when we heard people that we knew got in trouble down there.

1:06:22BubblemanWe were like, oh, my God, like he did that. That's a sphincter, Parker.

1:06:26Etienne FontanThat will make your sphincter.

1:06:28Bubbleman25 years, dude. I was just like, what the fuck? That's why when legalization came in and they changed that 25 to 14, they made the worst case scenario 14 years, but nobody knew that it was 25 years. Trust me, unless you were in a court case, you had no idea. So when they announced that it was 14 years, people were like, 14 years, that's absolutely ridiculous. That's so long.

1:06:52BubblemanAnd it's just like, bro, they just changed it from 25. Thank you for watching.

1:07:19Collin PalmerWell, it's funny because like now that everything's kind of where it's at today, you would think they would like look at cases and be like, look, this is ridiculous. We're doing this right now. Like, why was this person here? Let's just expunge this. Let's just move on. Let's right the wrong. You know, because it's there's so many cases that are like that, especially in the States. You know, a lot of a lot of people in prison right now that should not.

1:07:49BubblemanAnd yeah, well, all you have to do is get to the judges, right? The judges have to be like they have to have the highest level of integrity. They have to be able to listen like how Kirk Tussaud got our Thank you for joining us.

1:08:21BubblemanAnd she doesn't want to smoke it. She wants to drink it in a tea and she puts it in a little bag and dunks it in hot water. She has now done an extraction and could face 14 years in prison. And in that moment, the judge was like, no, that's absolutely ridiculous. So he knew he couldn't change the law because he wasn't a federal judge. He was a provincial judge here in British Columbia.

1:08:44BubblemanSo what he did was he changed the definition of what marijuana is. And he made it so marijuana is any and every part of the plant. So if it says you're allowed to have a kilo of marijuana at home, you could have a kilo of honey oil, you could have a kilo of stock, you could have a kilo of flour, you could have a kilo of pure trichome heads, whatever.

1:09:06BubblemanIf it's a part of cannabis, his simple definition change, he didn't have to consult anyone. He didn't have to change the country's law, which involved Thank you for joining us.

1:09:34BubblemanIt was BC originally, and then it became the federal. So now it's across all provinces. Originally when it happened, and the reason it happened was because of Ted Smith from Victoria, who ran this incredible club for years over there still. And Owen Smith, his hash maker dash baker, they busted the bakery. And so it was all like these extracts. This extract thing came into being and they said, well, we have to be able to do these extracts.

1:10:03BubblemanSo yeah, Kirk Tussaud was a big proponent in making that happen here in Canada. And it was the Owen Smith case. I guess it would be Regina versus Smith if you wanted to... If you wanted to look it up and read about the history, but it's big history. We owe a lot to those guys in that moment. It's almost always language. Language can shift things so simply that if you think you're, if you're, you know, you're fighting this battle to get something changed, like look at language because it is magical.

1:10:38BubblemanAnd sometimes it just, It just shifts the entire thing and the platform of strength that your opposition thinks they have is suddenly dropped out from under them with just the simple change in language. So that's pretty cool. Like for example, in Canada, you're not allowed to do any type of processing or extracting, but if you called It milling, and you were just isolating the material down into sizes, which is what milling is defined at, you could potentially do a type of extraction on the field if you promoted it as we are milling.

1:11:20BubblemanWe're milling from 400 microns down to 50, and then we're collecting those materials, and then they go to the lab and we do our extractions. You're still doing an extraction on the field, but the language and those rule makers, I swear to God, they'll accept that language every time. There was another interesting one I saw in the German market where they couldn't get vape carts into the pharmacies.

1:11:44BubblemanIt was like impossible. And some lawyer was just like, well, why don't we stop calling them vape carts? What if we just called them containers? And he called it a container and got it accepted in the first application. So this is like a super hard staunch regulated like German regulators. It's just language. You can say a certain word and turn that giant locked metal door into like ash.

1:12:15BubblemanJust walk right through. Poof. Hey, I'm here.

1:12:18Collin PalmerSo it's true. You look at the hemp bill in the United States, you know, it's like. One line unlocked this whole world in which now people can use hemp to convert to DHC and Delta 9.

1:12:33BubblemanExactly. Look at cannabis. Just said that in the chat a few minutes ago. The language of the farm bill is a good example. Exactly. It's so important, the language that you use, that it can make your job, your activism much easier and much more effective.

1:12:55Collin PalmerYeah, 100. Yeah, man, it's, yeah. It's crazy. But the thing about the states is that we're so fragmented, you know, if we all just could agree on one thing, it'd be a little easier, I think, from market to market. But yeah, it's real fragmented.

1:13:16BubblemanBut it seems like, I mean, I guess Canada's a similar way right now. But I kind of think of both of our countries as unique countries in the world. And maybe the rest of the world is doing this a lot. I don't know. I'm just mostly living here. But we seem to be, our countries seem to be mostly people from other countries.

1:13:38Collin PalmerYeah.

1:13:39BubblemanSo we're like all these different people. So like, of course, we're fragmented. Like, what the fuck, dude?

1:13:47CalebIt's a good point.

1:13:49BubblemanBy design, yeah. Like, we're like, our value is in our multicultural aspect. But multicultural is like, it's like, oh, like, you're divided. It's like, yeah, yeah, we have different cultures. Just got to learn. I don't think the division is terrible. I think it's the level in which we enforce the division. If we could just be like, oh yeah, you're over there and I'm over here. Like you're into this and I'm into that.

1:14:16BubblemanIf it was more like that and not like you have to get the vaccine, you can't get the vaccine. Just let's just be a little bit more understanding of people's uh of the shit that people are going through in the world right now because there's it's a lot.

1:14:32Collin PalmerI think you're right and the the one thing I can thought I have to share on that is like I think trauma allowed us to kind of slip into this and that's what's it's a defense mechanism I think in a lot of respects for people like you have to believe this you have to believe that and um You know, it's a wild thing, you know? So I think it's, yeah, we've got to work through these things and these are challenges, you know, overall.

1:15:01Collin PalmerBut generally, I think, you know, I love other cultures. I love to learn. You know, that's why I love New York so much. It's like so much to learn on a daily basis.

1:15:13BubblemanI love it for the food myself.

1:15:16Collin PalmerYeah, that too. But I mean, just like cultures and the neighborhoods and I think there's so much to learn and take in and understand and at least try to understand. It's one thing I love about it. What's up, Mark? What's up, dude?

1:15:34SpeakerHey, Colin. What's up? Hey, Marcus, ATN. How are you?

1:15:38Collin PalmerWhat's up, brother?

1:15:41SpeakerI was out running errands. I've been listening the whole show, so I really dig the whole thing. Marvel Slinger Glass discussion. That was really cool. Yeah. How's everyone doing? Happy Labor Day weekend. It's Labor Day. Let's celebrate all of those who work for a living and those who have retired from working for a living.

1:16:05BubblemanAbsolutely. Happy to have one last long weekend before the kids are off to school on, I guess, September 2nd.

1:16:15SpeakerYeah, they've already started. Man, you know, I remember as a kid growing up, school starting after Labor Day. I mean, that was pretty, pretty universal. But I don't know, things have changed. Things have changed around here. Like, I think our school district started like a week or two ago. And I know my cousin who lives in Indiana, they start like right at the beginning of August. It's crazy.

1:16:42Collin PalmerWow. But they get, the kids get breaks now that they never, at least I never had the same breaks that I know my kids have. So.

1:16:53Etienne FontanYeah. Agreed. Yeah. We started in mid August, mid to late August in Louisiana. And then I graduated in May, you know, whereas in California, most, it starts in September and then they finish in June. So early part of June. So it depends on where you are in the country, apparently.

1:17:12CalebYeah.

1:17:12SpeakerYeah. It's just so interesting because you just, you see the buses back on the road. And, you know, I go by our elementary school and high school all the time. And it goes from one week, there's nobody in the parking lot to next week. It's just, you can't find a parking spot. So yeah, when school opens, it's like a whole different world.

1:17:40SpeakerCivilization. Right now, parents got to get their kids to school. And it's like, yeah, it's the whole world changes, I guess, when schools open. 100%. What grade is your kid in, Marcus? You have a young one still, right?

1:17:56BubblemanYeah, he's going into grade six. So his school goes up to grade seven. So he's got two more years at this school and he's getting higher and higher up in the, in the level of his, you know, like, I guess, you know, soon he'll be like at the top of this school. And then, then at grade eight, he'll go to this school called Rockridge and it's, then he'll be, you know, like, Adam Wendel, CEO Alphabet and Google Alphabet and Google Play.

1:18:21BubblemanAdam Wendel, CEO Alphabet and Google Play.

1:18:39BubblemanIt's like, these guys are going to school together? Yeah, what do their parents feed those kids? They keep these, everything, everything that is in the fridge. Whatever you put in there, that's what they consume. I have one, I know. He's actually right now doing the West Coast Trail. My son Tosh is walking a 75-kilometer trail with a backpack on Vancouver Island on the rugged West Coast. Google that West Coast Trail.

1:19:05BubblemanIt's... It's a pretty awesome little hike, seven days, 75 kilometers. Everything's pack in, pack out. You got to bring all your shit, including all your food for the whole time. You can clean water from the creeks and lakes.

1:19:23SpeakerYeah, I don't know what weather is like where you guys are at, but up here in Vermont, it's just an absolutely beautiful day out there. Low humidity, sun. I don't think there's a cloud in the sky. The lake is super calm. So we're going to do a little kayak expedition on the lake later on today. Nice. Get out there.

1:19:44BubblemanA little kayaking, eh?

1:19:47SpeakerYeah, yeah. Well, and the lake is really down this year, so it's like... I don't know. So it's weird. Like, yeah, it does actually rely on the rivers to basically bring up the lake level. And, you know, contrary to popular belief, it's not actually like there's locks in between here and the St. Lawrence. You know, like it needs the water, I think needs to go uphill in order to get to the St. Lawrence Seaway.

1:20:17SpeakerSo it's not like connected to this. Like if there's a rise in sea level, Lake Champlain doesn't go up. So we're like hydrologically disconnected from the ocean. So have you seen just increase in sea level where you're at, Marcus? Like, can you noticefully see it?

1:20:38BubblemanNot at all in any way, shape or form. In fact, it's almost as though they're all full of shit. Um, because our sea level is like, you can't hide it. It's like, it stains the rock and it's where the muscles and like it's, it creates an entire like ecosystem where that water level is. And, and you can see how long it's been there for by how dark it gets.

1:21:05BubblemanSo when the ocean goes down, You'll have this like black line of where it normally is. And then you can kind of, you can kind of check it out. It's been the same here since I've lived here for 30 years. And we do live in a fjord. This is like a, you know, a little fjord, like so that the, it goes out and then it's just, we have to go around Vancouver Island, which is a big island that's kind of protects us from the open ocean.

1:21:32BubblemanSo on the other side of Vancouver Island, it's open ocean. And that's why, of course, that's why people go there to surf and stuff because they got the big eight foot swells. We don't have that.

1:21:42SpeakerBut it is sea level. Like when you go there, if you look at the altitude, are you at sea level? If I go down to the water, I am. I'm above sea level right now.

1:21:54SpeakerYeah, super interesting.

1:21:56BubblemanYeah. I'll tell you for 15, well not 15, for like the first four years that I lived on the ocean, I could not figure out the tides for the life of me, dude. I'm like, these are the most insane patterns that make zero sense that are like, there's no reoccurring pattern here. Like this is just insane. But I saw some interesting things and I definitely found it It's different when you live on the water, when you live right in the tide and you watch it come and go.

1:22:30BubblemanIt is trippy, especially for such a big, the water out in front of my house is like 700 feet deep. Wow. I know. Jesus Christ. The feeling of being on a boat on that is kind of like, ooh, like, ooh. If I, like, you don't want to sing here. This is like, we're not going to get found. Like nobody's coming to get us. Although I did see recently, and I don't know if it's meters or feet, but I saw Jair from Dutch Horticultural Lighting, who was the Gavita gentleman before.

1:23:04BubblemanWe'll have to get him on Hash Church one day. Friend of mine in Holland, he posted pictures on his Facebook the other day of going down to either 600 meters or 600 feet on a submarine. And it was like, not like a Hilton submarine. Like this was like, so it's the real deal. You know what I mean? I would suspect this must be like a, I don't know, a $25,000 package or something to be able to do it.

1:23:31BubblemanBut he had pictures down there through this little window. I was just like, dude, that is cool shit. I don't want to be going down in the toy that operates with the Nintendo or the PlayStation. That freaked me out. When they even said that, I was like, oh, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, I'm sure he was using a video game console to operate it. And then when I saw he actually was that one that imploded and the people passed away on, I thought.

1:24:00BubblemanI mean, fuck, I don't know a lot about a lot, but I feel like the minute I saw if I got in that in that guy's submarine, the minute I saw him pull that remote control from the PlayStation up, I would be like, OK, my chances of dying on this have just gone up a thousand fold. No, and I'm not trying to make light or joke about people who perished in a horrific fucking accident.

1:24:25BubblemanSeriously, dude, a fucking PlayStation remote control. Like, what the fuck? We're living in crazy times. Someone said it perfect the other day. I was at a wedding anniversary and this girl was just, she kept saying it. She's like, We're living in a clown world. You know, people would start talking about what's going on in the world and then I just hear her chime in. Yep, we're living in a clown world.

1:24:52BubblemanI'm like, oh my God.

1:24:53Etienne FontanI thought we're living in a simulation. That's what I thought it was. It might be a clown simulation for all I know.

1:25:01BubblemanWith lots of mimes. With a whole lot of mine. So listen, I'm super excited. I am going to Quebec tomorrow to do a bunch of R&D for the week. I'm going to be spending a week in a beautiful lab, making hash and playing around and I can call in some of my calling up some of my hash buddies to help inspire a whole variety of of skews that I want to come up with.

1:25:28BubblemanAnd I have I have some pretty good ideas that I that I won't mention just yet. But yeah, there's definitely some things that still haven't been done that I think would be cool. There's still there's still new novelty to occur is what I'm saying. Wouldn't you agree, Colin?

1:25:48Collin PalmerOh, dude, so much. Like I, yeah, I think there's a whole world to unlock still that we're, we're, you know, I don't know what, what it is. I know like cold cure is great, but there's a whole world to explore, you know, with mechanical separation and, you know, decarbing and further deconstructing what, you know, the fractions and,

1:26:15BubblemanWell, listen, if you're so obsessed with producing more flavors, then you should be mirrored equally obsessed with preserving said flavors. And I don't mean in preserving them in the way of a cold supply chain that is between you getting it or making it and you consuming it, but more so How different mediums, different materials preserve volatile organic compounds differently when you inhale them, when you heat them.

1:26:51BubblemanI always found sapphire to be the most delicate in how it preserved. It tasted different than silicon carbide and it tasted different than quartz and it tasted different, you know, sapphire, all of them. Even Ruby was a little bit different, but I would like to see the world get back to that obsession where we're like, okay, there's gotta be some compounds that are like the most preserved The way it absorbs heat and the way it releases heat is how it will affect those super volatile organic compounds.

1:27:28BubblemanAnd it's weird. It's the same thing between, I guess, induction and convection or whatever, like the way the heat... Induction is a tricky one because it's so fucking powerful. And to be able to bring those fields down to that super delicate, like... Where you're not just blasting out all these aromatic volatile compounds. And I think Kylie did the best job with the index labs. I don't think there's another unit that can quite tweak things to that level.

1:27:58BubblemanMost of the other ones that I've tried and see are fairly intense and they usually, their bottom is usually too high for my liking. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

1:28:10Collin PalmerYeah, no, I have an index that I was super lucky to grab one when we did the New York Melting in the Heads. Big respect to Kylie and everything he's done. I really appreciate being in it, and I use it often. I'm so excited to be here with you today. I'm so excited to be here with you today.

1:28:47Collin PalmerThere's a world of delivery that I think people should be exploring. It's really important. It's one thing for us to make all these products, but You know, I said it the other day, when most people, it's like we're in the studio making music on the best equipment, and then they're listening in on earbuds that aren't even like, that they bought for like 20 bucks, you know what I mean?

1:29:11Collin PalmerAnd I think to your point, having the right tools to experience the terps or the volatile organic compounds, as they should really be called, that's from a consumer point of view, where people should be obsessive, not only just with the product, right?

1:29:25BubblemanYeah, well, that's what when I first met Jason Lee, he was obsessed with how smoke moves through water and how it filters and how it can change the way it tastes based on how it filters. And I was just like, well, this guy's like super deep in it. But then really hooking up with Brian from D-Nail, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:30:04BubblemanA lot of different flavors, but I'd hit the same flavor through these different, through silicone, through quartz, through sapphire. And you could just at the same temperature and you could absolutely unequivocally taste different tastes. And the sapphire always blew me away, especially because it was the most pain in the ass when you couldn't just clean it. Any liquid on it at all would crack it. It was super delicate, super expensive.

1:30:30BubblemanThey almost always cracked. And you could really only turn them up to clean them. You could turn the denail up and you could clean it and it would take a long time to clean. Would you break your slurper?

1:30:42Collin PalmerYeah, I just opened it up and I just saw this.

1:30:45BubblemanOh, dude.

1:30:46Collin PalmerIt's from Legends. Oh, man. Anybody out there that can fix this for me? I got all the pieces. Send it to JP. Oh, my God.

1:31:00SpeakerAll glass breaks.

1:31:04Collin PalmerYep, it has a life, but I've also had stuff from like the 90s that has not broken, you know?

1:31:12SpeakerIt will. Sometime out in the future, it just hasn't yet. I hope it doesn't break in a lifetime, right? Doesn't all glass break, right?

1:31:26BubblemanWell, you know what? I want to say yes, probably eventually, but I'll tell you, I've had glass for over 25 years that has not broken, and you can keep it unbroken for many decades.

1:31:42Collin PalmerI'm surprised it broke inside of that case.

1:31:45BubblemanMe too, actually. When you opened it, I thought you would already... Seeing that it was broken prior and you were just showing it to us, but we got to experience your, oh, that's dreadful.

1:31:58Collin PalmerYeah, I opened it and I was like, I just opened my eyes and I said, oh.

1:32:03CalebOh, I'll see what we can do.

1:32:07BubblemanWhat's going on in the, yeah, so I'm going to Quebec to make skews, to make hash here for the next week. So I'll be in the Quebec townships, busting it out and playing in the lab. So I'll try to share a little bit of that if I can while I'm away, but just excited to get in the lab. I can see Quebec from my window here. What's going on?

1:32:25BubblemanThat's awesome, dude. That's awesome. I wonder how far you are from where I'm going.

1:32:32SpeakerNot far enough. It's a big province, dude. Yeah, I know it is a big province. Where are you going to be?

1:32:40BubblemanI'll be in near Farnham, Quebec.

1:32:48BubblemanFarnham, Quebec. Okay, let's see how far away. I'm guessing eight hours.

1:32:57SpeakerWouldn't it be great if it was like two? One hour, 17 minutes. No. Is it? Come on, dude. It's one hour and 17 minutes? Yeah, let's meet at the border.

1:33:12BubblemanDude, that's crazy. What, you don't go over the border or what?

1:33:16SpeakerYeah. Right? I'll load a hit in the U.S. and pass it to you in Canada. And we'll both be arrested by each other's customs. Hey, we can make a video. Dr. Mark's being held in Canada. Yeah, we'll make a video, of course. Do you want to be worth the content?

1:33:34BubblemanMeta's new glasses. We'll be filming. Yeah, that's crazy.

1:33:37SpeakerNo, I'm... Yeah, Marcus, you're going to be close. Holy fuck, dude. What are we doing?

1:33:42BubblemanI'm telling you, man. Like, dude, you should come visit this place. They invited you. They're chemists, which was Dr. Justin Conway. Oh, this is that same group.

1:33:51SpeakerThat's right.

1:33:52BubblemanHe invited you to come see. He's like, dude, come on, man. Come check out the facility. So, and when are you going to be there? Are you going to be there this week? I'm going to be there tomorrow.

1:34:03SpeakerWell, let's make it happen, bro. I'll come up. I think I can cross the border, right? I'll be there for a week.

1:34:10BubblemanWow, dude, why wouldn't you? They'll definitely let me in. You'll get to the border, they'll be like, are you Dr. Mark Sheldon from Hash Church?

1:34:15SpeakerOr will they let me back? That's the question.

1:34:19Etienne FontanGuaranteed. They, yeah.

1:34:22SpeakerI'll play the professor card, right? To be like, oh, that guy's just a college professor. Let him back in.

1:34:28BubblemanYeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. That'd be super cool, man. That'd be really cool.

1:34:33SpeakerNo, seriously, Marcus, we should hook up offline and let's see if we can make it happen. We'll freak people out, right? For those of you who don't know, Marcus and I have never met in person, right? Yeah, that's nuts. It's always been an internet nightmare. Bromance. Yeah, that's so nuts, dude. Right? So let's make it happen, man.

1:34:58BubblemanYeah, well, I can't believe it's an hour and 17 minutes. I'll tell you, like, that makes me so happy because here's the thing. I'm hoping, we'll see how it goes, but I'm hoping to be returning often. And if that's the case, dude, like, you'll just be on my, like, dude, I'm renting a car. I'm going to go see Dr. Mark for a couple of days in Vermont.

1:35:18BubblemanYeah, come and stay with us.

1:35:19SpeakerAbsolutely. Oh, we'd love to have you here. Every time I hear about you talking about your partners in the state, I'm like, fuck, why don't we have partners in Vermont? You need to bring Bubble Man brand here to Vermont. Let's do it. What are we doing?

1:35:36Bubbleman100%. Well, those people that are watching right now that got the right consciousness and the right integrity and are growing the danks and have the living soils, hit us up.

1:35:46SpeakerWell, as you know, our mutual friend, Kind Bill, is working with the folks over in Zen Barn, so they're a licensed operator, and I'm sure they'd love to have your brand.

1:35:55BubblemanOh, I'd love to have a conversation with them.

1:35:57SpeakerYeah, let's get Kind Bill and Marcus together. Oh, my God. That'd be like...

1:36:03BubblemanHanging out in Vermont. Dude, Vermont, dude. Come on. It's awesome.

1:36:10SpeakerIt's the Humboldt of the East, I think. Right.

1:36:13BubblemanWell, I just I'm excited to be able to come legally. You know, one thing I never did was I never tried to enter America with my record. I never tried to enter illegally. You know, I did accidentally go last time without the without the waiver, but they explained to me that I needed it. And so that's what I did. So I'm trying to get that. So let's hope that it comes through here soon.

1:36:38BubblemanI was hoping this month. But when I called my lawyer, he said it would actually be more than closer to 12 months. So it was eight, which was August. Now it's 12. So that's kind of December. Hopefully by next year, I'm able to come. Because, yeah, I just want to come and enjoy America, man.

1:37:00SpeakerWell, and Colin, man, are you in New York? Get your ass up here. We'll go up and see Marcus, man. Come on, let's go. What are we waiting for?

1:37:07Collin PalmerLife is too short. But, because I'm going to California on Wednesday, flying out. I have to go there until next week. But, yeah, I mean... We all need to get up there. We should go to BC, man. Like that's, that's spot. I think Marcus will agree. BC is the place.

1:37:32BubblemanI like it.

1:37:34Collin PalmerYou just roll over there. Just fly in. Get around the place. Go see Marcus. We'll go up to the Whistler.

1:37:42BubblemanAll right, let's go. Do it in the winter. But before that, I'm going to see you, Dr. Mark, in the next few days, guaranteed. I'm extremely excited. I cannot believe you said an hour and 17 minutes. I was like, there's no fucking way that it's that close. That's awesome, dude.

1:37:59Collin PalmerYeah, that's really.

1:38:00SpeakerIs it Burlington? Are you in Burlington? I'm in Colchester, which is just outside of Burlington. But yeah, we're right. How outside of it? Like 20 minutes, 40 minutes? Like so Colchester is just north of Burlington and we're right on the lake. So I'm like about 40 minutes from the border. We could be in Montreal in like a little over an hour. Well, apparently I'm 20 minutes from the border when I'm over there.

1:38:32SpeakerYeah, I mean, well, I mean, let's see. Yeah, it's not that far at all. And it's a main highway to get there, too.

1:38:41Collin PalmerSo I remember being up in Bellingham and I just like called Marcus. I was like, dude, it just looks like your backyard up here, man. And you're like, yeah, I'm like, I don't know, like an hour.

1:38:53BubblemanThose guys used to come to my house in less than an hour, dude. They'd be like, in America, they'd be like, we're leaving Bellingham. And then like 45 minutes later, they'd be in my hot tub, just a couple of doors down. I'd be like, dude, this is, I'm like, you guys just went over the border. I'm like, how are they letting you guys over the border?

1:39:12BubblemanAnd I don't think it was anything to do with how they dressed. It was how we all looked. We were so young. You know, we're in our 20s and you look like you're 13 years old. 100%.

1:39:28SpeakerThe border is such a man-made illusion, though, if you think about it, right? I mean, it's just like, what the fuck is a border, right? Like, you know, was it John Lennon, right? No religion, no borders and all that, no possession.

1:39:42BubblemanWell, it's a three-dimensional boundary is what it is. So it's like borders, boundaries. Boundaries are good. I think we need them, right? Got to have some boundaries and then... the borders just took it to the next level they're like let's invent countries let's invent rules let's definitely invent borders and i'll tell you the law at a border is different than any law anywhere else you should know that you should look at what like when you're between canada and america whether you're american or canadian you are in no man's land right you are not in america and you're not in canada you're in this other little area that is like Very strict.

1:40:25SpeakerYep.

1:40:28SpeakerYeah, don't fuck around. Yes, those of us who've had to navigate in and around borders know that, yeah, it's a mind fuck when you go through there. And sometimes it's just, it's so smooth, right? Like, there's like, oh, yeah, you guys are coming up to Montreal? Sure, come on up with your US dollars and spend it up here in Montreal. Don't get your car stolen. That's a big thing in and around Montreal.

1:40:52SpeakerI don't know if you guys have this problem out west, but... Seems as though there's a lot of car theft. And in areas where there's tourists, like tourists will go out there, you know, and next thing you know, their car is stolen. And it turns a couple day vacation into this absolutely horrible thing that you have to deal with. But yeah, I mean, it's just, it's so great.

1:41:15SpeakerMontreal is just such a, it's like Paris, right? Or it's just, there's some kind of international flavor to it. Everyone's speaking French, you know? It's this whole other language, you know?

1:41:29BubblemanIt's a whole other place. Montreal is actually really fun and amazing. And it's probably one of, like Quebec is a beautiful province. You know, the townships, the Eastern townships, the old churches, you know, You know, the drum jam that happens. Listen, Montreal Jazz Festival is really like up there with Montreux in Switzerland and New Orleans Jazz Festival. Those three jazz festivals are like, I mean, obviously New Orleans.

1:41:56BubblemanAndrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

1:42:19BubblemanSo, you had to go up to an elevator and show a security guard that you had a hotel key before he would let you get up into the lobby. And so, I traveled with my Wyndham card because I'd go to the bar at the end of the night and be like, oh, there's like Ray Charles with like Charlie Hunter and And John Medesky. And, you know, like the most insane shit you could possibly imagine.

1:42:49BubblemanThese dudes were all just like at the end of their shows, they were like, let's go jam with whoever. Oh, there's Regina Carter. There's, and it's just the list went on and on and on of people that were just jamming together in this little bar that were all free shows and that would never occur again. I loved it. Absolutely.

1:43:12Collin PalmerIt's considered like the pinnacle to be able to play on those stages.

1:43:19SpeakerOh, it's just, it's so cool though. I mean, they block off the streets, right? So that downtown area down by McGill is just, there's just people everywhere. There's cafes, there's food. I said to my daughter, I'm like, man, I needed to come here as a young single man because my Lord, The women there, I mean, it was just, I mean, just beautiful people. And there's lots of weed being smoked.

1:43:45SpeakerI was surprised. We were last there at the Jazz Fest, I want to say like 2008, 2009. And we obviously, you know, you go over, you don't want to bring anything with you. So you just hope that you can connect over there. And we ended up, yeah, I think finding some hash in Montreal. Go figure, right? A lot of hash smokers in Montreal. There's no doubt about it.

1:44:10SpeakerYeah.

1:44:10BubblemanThat's too bad we didn't bump into you there.

1:44:12SpeakerThe tobacco joint, the tobacco has spliffs, right? Tons. So there's lots of that going on. You don't want to be grabbing a franchise. Yeah, the food and the culture there is so cool, and it's just such a cool city.

1:44:26BubblemanCharlie Hunter Trio with DJ Logic. Yes, I saw that show.

1:44:31SpeakerWe saw the James Carter Trio, I think. James Carter.

1:44:36BubblemanI saw James with his sister Regina, the violinist. Uh-huh. Incredible.

1:44:42SpeakerWe saw Joshua Redman. Yep. That's another great one. We saw a guy from upstate New York named Martin Sexton. I don't know if you know who Martin Sexton is. Yep, absolutely. Singer, songwriter kind of guy.

1:44:56Etienne FontanHave you seen Hiromi? She is an amazing piano player. She is just a gift. Yeah, she has her jazz trios and such. H-I-R-O-M-I. She is. She fucking rocks a piano like Hendrix rocks a guitar.

1:45:18Collin PalmerCool. Damn. Thank you for turning me on.

1:45:20Etienne FontanI highly recommend. She is on her own level and playing just... And the musicians she's playing with nowadays are all of their generational, because she is. And yeah, highly recommend. Happy to turn you on. She is...

1:45:41BubblemanMusic's endless. It's beauty, right? I remember being younger and being like, you know, thinking, yeah, I pretty much know all the bands. I know everyone that's out there. And, you know, getting to a point where I would get turned on to like huge new swaths of music, particularly with jazz. When I got into jazz, because I was into punk rock, which was a little bit of a smaller sort of genre.

1:46:04BubblemanAnd Got into reggae and got into jam bands, but jazz was this infinite hole of like, holy shit, are there a lot of jazz musicians? And they really, you know, jazz and that jamming is sort of goes hand in hand. A lot of good jazz bands that just jam the shit out of the music.

1:46:27Etienne FontanI got lucky growing up in New Orleans because you go down to the French Quarter. Yeah. Any time of day, night. In the street. In the street, right? And I guess right now they're celebrating, well, not celebrating, but they're remembering Katrina. Because right before Katrina, they were trying to push out the street musicians and all of that. And inadvertently, due to Katrina, the jazz and the music came back because they needed people back in the streets.

1:46:55Etienne FontanAnd what brought them back? Chess and jazz. Chess is also a big thing in New Orleans and a lot of the huge tournaments would happen in New Orleans. So yes, when the chess players returned to Bourbon Street and so did jazz music, it reshaped New Orleans and because, you know, it's, you know, it's part of That reality. But I mean, yeah, my father was a jazz musician.

1:47:23Etienne FontanI mean, I grew up around sitting and listening. And every time I go to New Orleans, there's certain jazz places I will go to just to listen. You can hear everything from the old, old school to, again, the most generational talent and You know, the Rebirth Brass Band, you go out and listen to them on a street corner, they will literally turn a quiet street corner into a full-on dance boogie.

1:47:54Etienne FontanAnd that is a whole other magic that is, you know, you gotta love about jazz. It brings people in, you get somebody pumping on a tuba, getting that bass going, next thing you know, You got your high brass dancing over it. Next thing you know, you got people out dancing. Hell, we got line dances, second line and all that stuff from it. So yeah, man, you gotta have music to move your life.

1:48:18Etienne FontanAnd that's just so key.

1:48:20BubblemanAnd I always record it. So all my shows that I saw in Montreal, I just recorded them all. Anytime I saw anyone prolific, Zakir Hussain, you know, what's his name there? The saxophone player, the absolute, like John Zorn and the Masada and all of the different bands that Zorn, I've seen Zorn probably like 25 different times with, Every different random person from, you know, just wild stuff.

1:48:49BubblemanI love seeing music that like moves you, you know, where you're like tearing up, which definitely happened the first time I saw Zakir Hussain play the tablas with, what else did he have with him on the sitar? Just all these incredible, and a flute player that was just like right out of another dimension. So it's incredible what music can do, especially with the help of good cannabis.

1:49:16BubblemanI've always thought that it goes, you know, just like peanut butter and jelly, good herb and good music, especially like if it's reggae, seeing that happen in Jamaica where it was born and puffing on Jamaican sun-grown resin with your feet in the sand, like listening to good reggae is incredible. Yeah, and Miles Davis.

1:49:41Etienne FontanMusicians listen to Turned On before, right? Because that helps us all get in the same mood. My band, we always practiced high because we played high, right? So it was that same situation, you know? You better, right? Right, Mark? Right? You better practice high because if you're going to play high, You better be prepared to hit those notes because they're not going to be. I was bass player, so you got to hold that route.

1:50:03Etienne FontanYou can't miss your route. You know, otherwise you fuck up the entire song really quick. You know, so, yeah, about having everybody on that same vibe. I used to watch musicians go out and then, you know, split a joint and then go back in and absolutely, you know, crush. Right. Get everybody getting on the same headspace.

1:50:23SpeakerYeah, it helps, I think, in, you know, lowering your, I don't know, is it connected? I think it is connected to your ego, but I mean, like, when you collaborate with other musicians, you have to be able to communicate with them, and there's a certain amount of trust that you have to build in that musical collaboration. And so you're increasing your vulnerability, right? You're And I think cannabis helps with that because it, yeah, everyone kind of like shares a joint before jamming.

1:51:00SpeakerEveryone's sort of like in the same mind space to be able to, you know, collaborate and make something that's just bigger than just the musicians that are there. You know, like if you're, if you're, some people, Thank you.

1:51:36SpeakerRight? You want to sort of free yourself and free your mind within the music. And what better way to do that than through cannabis? You know, that's a great thing. Like when you go to New Orleans and you go down to like Frenchman's or you go to, you know, Tipitina's, you know, like one of these storied places, you know the music's going to be good, right? Because you have to sort of, Thank you so much.

1:52:27SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:52:47SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:53:08SpeakerAnd, you know, police are pretty, you know, I mean, certainly tourist friendly, right? So I've never seen anybody be hassled in like on Bourbon Street or down on Frenchman's or down in a quarter for smoking weed. And usually, yeah, there's a lot of consumption that happens. In and around Jazz Fest. But yeah, the music and the food. Oh my God. Right, ATN? I mean, yeah, there's the music, which is great because that's definitely part of the culture.

1:53:38SpeakerBut when you go down there and you eat Cajun Creole food, it's like no other food. I'm not a big fan of oysters, not until I went down there and had barbecued oysters at Giacomo's, right? I mean, that's like... That's what that's how they make them. They barbecue and they just throw a bunch of butter and garlic on it. And yeah, you just slurp them down. But the music and the culture and the food, everything down there is just so absorbing.

1:54:06SpeakerI told my kids if I went down there as a young man. They wouldn't be around. I would have never made it out of New Orleans. I'd be a white guitar player playing in an all black review or something like that. I would have totally gotten assimilated into New Orleans culture if I were to went down there as a young man.

1:54:27Etienne FontanYeah, it does. It will call the soul, right? You know, and there's so many talented musicians. I mean, you can go out any time of the day or night, you know, and there's music playing, so... It's definitely the place, but yeah, places that you were talking about, like Tipitina and stuff like that, that's where you know you're going to see something special, right? Yeah. Jazz Fest, right, Jazz Fest like up in Montreal is that you get everybody coming together and then you get all these special jams that you'll never get.

1:54:59Etienne FontanSo the times to be in New Orleans, one, Mardi Gras, two, Jazz Fest. Those are the two mandatories if you're going to go to New Orleans and enjoy and see what it's all about.

1:55:12SpeakerWell, and the week before Mardi Gras, they have something called the French Quarter Festival, which is kind of like, it's kind of like, it's the pre-Mardi Gras festival, mostly for locals, right? ATN, it's kind of like... Yeah, it's the local celebration, right?

1:55:29Etienne FontanRight, right. Look at all the bands that are everywhere, right? It's almost as big as Jazz Fest.

1:55:36SpeakerBut yeah, you got to have beignets down at Cafe Du Monde. And what's that ham sandwich place? Oh, God.

1:55:48Etienne FontanOh, Muffalatas. Yeah, right. Muffalatas Capital. Right. Yeah.

1:55:53SpeakerBut yeah, great culture and great music and great food and just a great place to be. But I'm glad that whenever I go there, I'm glad when I leave because I'm like, man, I've gotten four hours of sleep in five days. I need to go home.

1:56:10Etienne FontanIt is definitely Vegas eyes when people are leaving. That's for sure. Two piss holes in the snow.

1:56:20Etienne FontanIt doesn't snow there. It's a metaphor. I know. It doesn't snow there. It snowed when I was four for like six hours and apparently in the 80s it snowed again. But yeah, it doesn't stick long. So what I mean, so where is the when is the jazz festival usually up in Montreal?

1:56:44BubblemanI believe it's the end. It used to be the end of June, start of July. We would go from like the 26th of June to like the 7th of July or something. Yes.

1:56:56SpeakerIt's in the summertime.

1:57:00BubblemanYeah, we haven't gone in years, though. But yeah, let's see. June 26 to July 5, the 45th anniversary took place this year, June 26 to July 5. Oh, what a fun festival, man. Like, holy shit. 2 million people in attendance. Wow. Yeah. Shout out to Alain Simard for founding the Montreal Jazz Festival. Holy Christ, 45 years ago, bro. You should look at who was at the first Montreal Jazz Festival.

1:57:34BubblemanIt's bonkers. It's insane. It's like every great jazz musician from the past. Pretty cool stuff. I have to try and make that happen next summer, maybe, Dr. Mark. We'll link up over there. Yeah. Get some jazz in. I need to go to a concert with you, dude. Maybe a couple.

1:57:58Etienne FontanWell, we got to go see Fish, Marcus. I know. Yeah, you come down here. We should all go to Jazz Fest together. I'll show you the places to eat. We'll have a grand time in New Orleans. Hell yeah. I couldn't go to New Orleans without Etienne.

1:58:17Etienne FontanOh, bring your appetite, Mark.

1:58:22Etienne FontanOh, we gon' eat good.

1:58:25BubblemanWe gon' eat good. Got a little Frenchie in there, Etienne?

1:58:31Etienne FontanI get down, I get down, I get my Cajun on, you know, I will slip into it. I have more of a universal accent because people are like, you don't sound like you're from Louisiana. Like, oh, I'm sorry. Should I sound like I'm from Georgia or something like that? Is that better for you? Does it sound better? Better, honey? Child? Sweetie? Yeah, I don't know. It's just one of those things, which is odd because people in New Orleans have a Brooklyn accent.

1:58:59Etienne FontanIf you actually sit and you listen around, it's very much a Brooklyn accent. You get out in Cajun country, you're squinting to hear, you know what I'm saying? What? You ever listen to Justin, what's his face? The old cook, you know, he always put wine in everything, the old Cajun cook, Justin Wilson or whatever the fuck his name is. Yeah, I grew up with him in Louisiana and you can barely understand him.

1:59:28Etienne FontanAnd he was on television speaking clearly. So, yeah. Nine out of 10 dentists do not understand. That's all I'm saying.

1:59:38BubblemanHow how are you guys? Do you have any plants growing you guys just on your own personal deck, not like grow rooms or anything, but just some plants out on out on the deck? Are you guys allowed to do that?

1:59:49Collin PalmerYeah, I do.

1:59:53Collin PalmerI've got, I'm only able to have 12 plants where I'm at. So we take advantage of that. So I have original diesel going, got a lemon G going. I've got a couple of males of OGKBZ times cherry pie.

2:00:19Collin PalmerAnd I've also got Blue Zushi, Grapes and Cream, Sour Diesel, and Super Booth going.

2:00:32BubblemanImagine being Colin's neighbor and watching him on Hash Church talk about how he has males out in his grove.

2:00:40CalebNo, it's way secluded.

2:00:44Collin PalmerI went out there this morning and I took all the pollen because it was just about to drop and I put it all in a bag. But nice. I also have a bunch of a bunch of stuff that I grew. I put in pots that I put into the ground around the males that just I let just kind of pollinate. So there's like original New York City, original New York City diesel times chem for BX.

2:01:11Collin PalmerAnd then there's a couple other ones out there. I can't remember. I'd have to go look at the text. But I like to do that kind of stuff to let it just kind of naturally happen. And they're like tiny, tiny plants just because I'm just experimenting with those. But yeah, what about you? Do you have anything on your deck?

2:01:31BubblemanI've got like maybe five or six. I got some Planet Bang Bangs from Exotic Genetics through my buddy Jay, who's been growing really nice. It's him and Hatch who were producing all the six star that I was puffing for a while. Now they're helping these guys with some really nice rosin. But yeah, I got some Planet Bang Bangs. And then I have some seeds that I got given to me from London.

2:01:58BubblemanFrom Future 4200. I don't know if you remember London Nero. He was like...

2:02:05BubblemanHe had his own podcast and he was pretty deep in it. Ended up moving to Italy and I think he now lives in Spain with his whole family. Kind of did the move away from Canada and buy like an inexpensive house and it didn't work out in Italy, but he bounced to Spain. So that's where he is now. And he gave me some seeds, these lemon diesel seeds, like I want to say four or five years ago.

2:02:27BubblemanAnd I planted all of those as well. And I called the few males that were there, and I've just got a couple of those planted directly into my garden. They're almost more ornamental than anything, but yeah, they're, you know, four or five feet tall now, starting to get bigger. They haven't really started flowering yet, but it's on my deck, so it should be fine. I did not get a hold of any hayseeds, Alex Techman, but I will.

2:02:54BubblemanDon't worry about me. I will. I got my Sam ashes and I want to put Sam's ashes into some proper haze genetics. So I was talking to Tom Hill and a few others.

2:03:06Collin PalmerI actually have some of the sand seeds for you, Marcus. I confirmed with Chimera that they're real. They're actually cultivar choice in the original packaging. I'll give them to you to do that with.

2:03:20BubblemanWhat are they? Just haze or haze price with haze?

2:03:24Collin PalmerThere's a bunch of stuff that I got a hold of because someone bought them and they ended up sending to my house first and then I sent them to them and they were like, why don't you take a couple For you to have. And so I think you'd be only proper to give those to you. So let's do that.

2:03:43BubblemanYeah, I mean, if they're legit, I just want it to be like the purest haze, you know, like that was Dave's favorite was the haze. Even though we bred the skunk, the haze was the favorite. And it definitely had to do with the fact that the haze was just a crippling high that he just adored. So too do I. So how nice would it be for Skunk Man Sam to just give me an anxiety attack and a big dab of like haze crossed with haze.

2:04:18BubblemanFucking, oh, let me tell you, man.

2:04:22Etienne FontanI'm doing the same. I do not have any plants, but I have his ashes, but it has to be something special. It can't be anything average or normal. And yeah, I would like to hold out for either NL5 or Haze for sure, because Haze is my favorite. But yeah, maybe South Africa, maybe I'll find some Swazi.

2:04:48BubblemanThere you go. Yeah, you're going soon, right?

2:04:50Etienne FontanIn a month or two months or something? Yeah, we'll be going and visiting, going to the competition in early October. And then I'm going to go out and do some photographing in the wild. But very much looking forward to seeing plants and gardens and South African hash.

2:05:13Etienne FontanWe had that wonderful hash church with them recently, so it made me quite excited to go and see. Thank you for joining us today.

2:05:44Etienne FontanHer Sam ashes in the ground. So shout out to Myrtle and them at the farm there in South Africa. And yeah, hope everything comes up well and wonderful. But yeah, I'm very much looking forward to it and excited to give a report on it when I get back. Yeah, dude, I'm excited for that as well.

2:06:11BubblemanLove to make it out there. I don't think it's going to be in the books for me. I got a lot of work ahead of me here, but I'll look forward to experiencing the journey through you and we'll make sure to do a hash church while you're there.

2:06:24Etienne FontanWe'll do our best. We will see what is possible. That would be awesome. Yeah, yeah, it really would be for sure.

2:06:33BubblemanIn the least, get some nice clips to share with us. I'm always trying to tell like hash makers that I want to invite or growers. It's like, Bring video of your work, you know, like while you're talking, you can be showing videos of your plants, of your hash making, of your final product. And those are, you know, quite enjoyable from the perspective of the viewer. So why don't I do that?

2:07:00BubblemanI could go through a few of the flavors that I'm ripping on right now. I don't have them all, unfortunately, opened, but I can definitely like Show these jars, starting with this Romulan. This Romulan. We got some rainbow marker.

2:07:29BubblemanSome Medi Kush and Mac One, the Medi Mac.

2:07:36Etienne FontanI like that they put the screens that they're using. Yeah. It's very helpful to understand because many people don't do that. And I would encourage more of that because microns matter. Microns matter. Microns matter.

2:07:58BubblemanThose are my photo. But yeah, that was just a couple that I've been puffing on. They're really nice. I puffed on the MediMac. I puffed on the Masterpiece and I puffed on the Moneyball and they're all just quite, quite lovely. Some are wetter, some are drier. They're all very loud and flavorful.

2:08:20CalebThat's nice to have some new flavors. Okay, here we go.

2:08:24BubblemanLook at this. Some of the skunk mans. I wonder which ones those are. Nice.

2:08:31Collin PalmerThere's a bunch of them. I got, we got a bunch. So there was a tie.

2:08:35BubblemanTy Hayes crossed with skunk number one.

2:08:38Collin PalmerDo you want that one? I have that and I have like original Hayes.

2:08:42BubblemanI'm going to need them all, Colin. No, I'm just joking. I don't in any way, shape or form. But anything that's great. That all looks amazing. I'll grab some of those and, uh, Get some ashes into some of them. That would be, I've been waiting to do this patiently, you know?

2:09:02Collin PalmerYeah, man. Well, these will be great. Yeah, it's cool.

2:09:08BubblemanYeah.

2:09:08Collin PalmerWhere's Brian? Brian should be on.

2:09:12BubblemanI know, I'm not sure. He's just here. Masonic Smoker's laughing at me. He's like, I'm going to need them all, LOL. You know it, Mace. I'm going to need all of them, everyone. I'm just going to keep one. That's unacceptable, Colin.

2:09:31Collin PalmerMace, I got that lemon G for you, brother.

2:09:34BubblemanLemon G. It's time to hit the money ball again. This money ball is pretty greasy.

2:09:39CalebOh, that looks good.

2:09:41BubblemanThat is very greasy. It's definitely like, these jars make it hard with the light, the way it shades, and I don't have really... A lot of light coming in. Plus, I've been in the garden. So we got like those dirty fingernails that, you know, you post a jar pick with a dirty fingernail on Instagram and you'll have someone like who's never grown a plant attacking you.

2:10:06SpeakerOh, yeah.

2:10:06BubblemanLook at your fucking nails. Look at your nails, you fucking bum. It's like, yeah, it's called gardening, bro. Look into it. What are you wearing? Fucking nitrile gloves the whole time you garden?

2:10:15Etienne FontanHow are your garden going? You planted those flowers you said the other week and some survived, some didn't. So how is that?

2:10:23BubblemanMy hydrangeas are about 75% survival rate right now growing behind my house. I did plant a bunch of other plants. I planted a sensitive plant, which is one of those fast moving plants. When you touch it, it like closes up. Like I got that plant from my son. He's blown away by a plant that moves that fast and that like noticeable. I got a beautiful fire stick, an Indian fire stick, which is, I don't know why they call it Indian because it's from Africa, but it's a crazy type of jade.

2:10:56BubblemanI've been planting plants. What else did we plant? I feel like we've been out of control. I did like 10 different transplants the other day. They were all different flowers. One was like a mint type flower. One was this beautiful, long trumpet shaped pink flower that the hummingbirds, it's really small. It's like the size of your pinky. And they bloom for one day and then they just like fall off and the plant is constantly blooming them.

2:11:21BubblemanWhat are you showing there, Colin?

2:11:23Collin PalmerThis is some lemon mints.

2:11:25BubblemanWell, that's the lemon mints?

2:11:26Collin PalmerYeah, it's living soil lemon mints. I just pulled it out of this pot back jar here.

2:11:31BubblemanGood technique of putting it in front of your face. You really, if you're going to have a background that's blurred or a picture, you have to put whatever you're showing in front of your face or body or it fucking disappears. Watch. Move it over to the left.

2:11:47Collin PalmerBoom. How's that?

2:11:48BubblemanNo, no, like move it away from your face. Boom, gone. Can't see it anymore. Like, fuck, that dragged me nuts, dude.

2:11:55Collin PalmerHere, I'm going to do the halfway.

2:11:57BubblemanThat looks really cool. It almost looks like your graphic behind you is the bud you're sharing.

2:12:02Collin PalmerLet's check it out. But this is really flavorful herb. I have it because I'm shooting photos of it. Okay. Stuff that we have for New York. And then my favorite is actually this. This year, which is, again, this is called Egg Roll. Egg Roll is just super gnarly. It's like a, it tastes like Moonbow with a deeper Chem D note to it. It's really good. It's a biscotti Chem D cross.

2:12:38Collin PalmerSo really, really good.

2:12:40Bubblemando you remember the fatty egg roll guy on fish tour on the east coast in the 90s because like i just want to shout out the fatty egg roll guy wherever he is in his journey no this guy was fatty egg roll guy he had like 20 sauces he was like the most professional food vendor i had ever seen at a fish show in the mid 90s right it was like 94 95 96 somewhere along there but he was on the east coast i seen him in a bunch of shows Shout out to the fatty egg roll guy.

2:13:10BubblemanIn a sea of grilled cheese sellers, the fatty egg roll guy was a blessing.

2:13:15Collin PalmerBad burritos and grilled cheese, man. That was a blessing.

2:13:23BubblemanI know. It was all the burritos and grilled cheeses. So when you could get a fucking huge egg roll with just like dumping sauce on it, all these different sauces, I was like, oh my God, dude, you're killing it.

2:13:36Collin PalmerIt was cleaner too, you know, somewhat.

2:13:40BubblemanAnd not softly. Killing it, but not softly. Well, I just finished like my son's birthday week. He turned 11 on the 27th. And then yesterday, we actually, he threw a, we had a birthday party for him where we went to this giant bouncy castle. It's just ridiculous, like an acre of bouncy castles. And man, they played for two hours straight, running nonstop. My wife and I were laughing.

2:14:07BubblemanThey looked so beat. When they came out of this thing, they were just like, it had been like they had been running an Ironman challenge. Like for real, that's what they looked like. They were just like.

2:14:20Etienne FontanExhausted.

2:14:21BubblemanExhausted, dude. Such a fun thing to watch. It's hard to exhaust 10 and 11 year old boys. Like, let me tell you, like they don't exhaust easily.

2:14:32Etienne FontanI celebrated my birthday on the 28th.

2:14:35BubblemanYes, happy birthday, dude. I saw that. Happy belated birthday to Etienne. Only 72 years old young this year.

2:14:48Etienne FontanSomebody said, oh, you're born in the 1900s.

2:14:50BubblemanYeah, the late 1900s.

2:14:55Etienne FontanGreat. That's how I'm referred to now. Born in the 1900s. No, it was... That's wonderful. Shout out to my mom-in-law and my sister-in-law for the birthday cards and just went out with my wife for a nice dinner in San Francisco. I had a nice... Thanks for watching.

2:15:39Etienne FontanWell, it's not known as the summer of happiness, that's for sure. No. Well, I wasn't born to summer. Everybody's no longer happy with the Hells Angels. I think that's what.

2:15:49BubblemanYeah, yeah, that was rough, rough action. The interview with Jerry getting on the helicopter and bouncing. It's like, this is a bad vibe, man.

2:15:58Etienne FontanIt's like, indeed, it's a bad vibe. It's got to be a bad vibe for Jerry to go. It's a bad vibe, man. You know what I'm saying? Because. Jerry is all about vibe and yeah, yeah.

2:16:13BubblemanBut yet look at his diet. Like that dude would like go to 7-Eleven at 3 a.m. and like just like crush like the dogs and the corn dogs and the fucking just getting everything he could like. That's not a good diet. I wish Jerry could have done chili dogs. Yes, chili dogs. Probably chili corn dogs too, I would say. I don't know. I wasn't there, but I...

2:16:38BubblemanI can imagine. Wash it down with a Slurpee? Come on. Fuck yeah, dude. Slurpees. And a pack of Paul Malls. And a pack of Paul Malls. Oh my God, Jerry, what were you doing? I needed you to stay healthy, dude. But maybe the tortured artist needs to be tortured. Who am I to fucking judge? He brought beautiful music. So however he did it, I am thankful and I enjoy it.

2:17:06BubblemanAs much as I do these dabs, so I think it's time for, yeah, maybe some Medimac.

2:17:14Etienne FontanWell, let's ask the question, what's everybody puffing on, right? We haven't asked that in a while, right? I guess, let's see, what am I actually puffing on? I'm popping on some of this Rosentic.

2:17:30Collin PalmerMark's got the isolate.

2:17:31Etienne FontanHardcore OG, so that's Mark. Phone only.

2:17:40Etienne FontanSee, this is 73 to 159U. Cold cure, live rosin.

2:17:45SpeakerNice. Ask a chemist a chemistry question, you're going to get a chemistry answer. Yeah, that's right. Is that your hydrogenated? This is not, no.

2:18:00SpeakerNope. Oh, hey, ATN. Speaking of South Africa, you know, I met her down at CanMed. Her name is Dr. Shiksa Gallo, and she's a research professor at University of Pretoria in South Africa. So she's just... Wonderful. And she has some really interesting results around prostate cancer. You know, I mean, again, like the more we look into it, the more we find that these cannabinoids are really more effective than some of the anti-cancer drugs that they're giving.

2:18:46SpeakerSo one of the things that she's looking at is how The influence of things like CBG and CBD, some of the non-THC cannabinoids are having on making cancer medication more effective. So, yeah, she's very, very delightful. So I met her for the first time at CanMed just this summer. And we're going to start collaborating because she's interested in looking at some of our new derivative compounds and she would do some testing for us.

2:19:21SpeakerBut looking at cancer, like prostate cancer in particular, which is one of her specialty areas. So, yeah.

2:19:31Etienne FontanYeah, largest killer of men. So, yeah, I mean, that's a yeah. Is that right?

2:19:36SpeakerIs prostate cancer the largest cancer?

2:19:38Etienne FontanIt's one of the largest. Yeah, it's huge because it goes unnoticed and, you know, it leads to a lot of problems. It's a very common problem in men because that's how nature kills us.

2:19:49SpeakerIt easily metastasizes, I think.

2:19:53Etienne FontanYeah, and well, and of course, it's in touch with everything that's important from your colon to your bladder. And, you know, it's all right within that region. And any of those will, you know, take you out pretty quickly. So, you know, it's something that, you know, men should always get their, you know, prostate check, especially over 50, you know, and yeah, but there's a great deal of advances in the science.

2:20:19Etienne FontanMy father, my biological father had to have his, I guess it's swelled up to the point where they have to go in and remove part of it. And it was a standard procedure. He lived, you know, for a decade plus after that. So, you know, it's, I'd love to, if you're able to share her information, I would love to meet her or introduce to see if we could maybe hook up in South Africa because that type of I love talking to researchers that are doing that type of stuff because yeah, I mean, medical cannabis is the types of testimonials we want at the United Nations, right?

2:20:56Etienne FontanWe want to show, you know, you know, the latest in advances as well as, you know, what is possible and what is happening, right? And there's more than enough world studies on cannabis, but the United States doesn't listen to that. But the United Nations and the other worlds do so. We're not the be all end all here in the United States. That's all I'm saying. So yeah, I just be advanced.

2:21:22Etienne FontanBut right now we had the entire CDC walk out this week in absolute disgust, which as scientists and as a lay scientist is fucking absolutely disconcerting beyond all measure. But I respect their decision and why they did what they did then necessarily kowtow to what they have to deal with, which is Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:22:13SpeakerNot only could cannabinoids be anti-cancer, like once you diagnose cancer, I think there are several mechanisms by which cannabinoids and cannabinoid type compounds can be used to basically fight cancer. But what I believe is that they're prophylactic in a way that cannabis users might be less prone to cancer because in the fatty tissues in their body they have deposited these cannabinoids which again have this prophylactic You know, I think you've heard this before that CBD is neuroprotective.

2:22:56SpeakerSo what does that mean? So that means what happens is that there's various things in the brain that could basically damage neurons. And what they know is that CBD protects neurons from that damage, right? So a neuroprotective, I mean, and again, that's, The government's own patent, right? US 6630507, right? So that patent, to me, demonstrates medical use and should make the whole plant You know, not schedule one, which is defined by no accepted medical use.

2:23:41SpeakerSo I guess that's, you know, you're finally dividing the English language there is saying, okay, it has to be accepted. So what does accepted mean? I guess some, you know, FDA approval process. Well, the U.S. Patent Board or the Patent and Trade Organization, the USPTO for short, Just looked at the data that they had generated. And this is, again, the government's own data. So this was from our taxpayer funded lab in Bethesda that basically generated this information.

2:24:20SpeakerAnd when the US Patent and Trade Organization looked at the information, I mean, they don't care about drug policy because And invention is an invention. And the question in that patent was, is it obvious that CBD and the other cannabinoids would have this neuroprotective activity? And the USPTO said, you know what? You couldn't predict that based on what was already known about the cannabinoids. Therefore, it's an invention.

2:24:50SpeakerTherefore, it's a patent. Therefore, the claim in the patent was the neuroprotective properties

2:24:59SpeakerAnd so right then and there, and that was in 2003, I think when that patent issued, right then and there, they should have removed cannabis from the CSA, right? Because there's demonstrated medical utility in that it's a neuroprotective. So, I mean, ultimately CBD became the active ingredient of Epidiolex, which is an FDA approved drug. So, right. So it's been evaluated for safety and, you know, it's metabolites and it's breakdown and everything.

2:25:33SpeakerAnd it's, yeah, definitely effective at controlling seizures in difficult to treat epileptic cases. But, you know, again, just going back to this notion of, The government knows that there is medical utility, yet it remains on Schedule 1, which is defined by no medical utility. Even THC, right? THC is in Marinol, which is an FDA-approved drug. So how can the plant from which this compound is derived be defined as having no medical utility?

2:26:17SpeakerWhen we know, and, you know, doctors like Chiksa and other people are showing that, you know, here it is, it's basically killing prostate tumor cancer cells, you know? And it's basically, it has all of the earmarks of, look, we know we can cure cancer, or at least, let's say not we can cure it, we can treat cancer. With cannabinoids and certainly like if you look at like all the different kinds of cancer whether it's glioblastoma, skin cancer, whether it's here we're talking about prostate cancer, cancer of the pancreas, we know that cannabinoids are effective on all these different kinds of cancer.

2:27:05SpeakerIt's the literature is ripe with this. So you know The great thing about Shiksa is that, you know, the kind of work that she's doing, it's almost like we know that this is going to work. We know that this is intuitively obvious. So what she was able to show at her presentation down at CanMed is that, yeah, when you're given like these really horrible things, like the things that they use in chemotherapy, Therapy like one of them is called cisplatin which is basically a platinum metal that's surrounded by this ligand and it's just super toxic but it's you know again part of the treatment that you have When you're going through stage four chemotherapy.

2:27:57SpeakerAnd so what her data was able to show is that you could use a whole lot less of it if you're treating with things like CBC. She was looking at all the odd cannabinoids. CBC, CBG, right? Just because all the other shit that's attached to THC. I think she could also look at THC, but she needs a special license and all that thing. But I mean, when we show that this plant has not just THC in it, but it's got all these other cannabinoids in it and are effective at basically treating cancer.

2:28:31SpeakerI mean, my God. If cannabis was just discovered today, it would be like deemed the miracle, like, oh my God, how could this one plant not only treat all these different kinds of cancers, but now you're talking about other diseases like immunodeficiency. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:29:05SpeakerYou're agonizing your CB1 receptor, which we know medically will have all kinds of effects. We were talking before about collaborating musically, right? So when you're agonizing your CB1 receptor and all the musicians in your band are getting high before they practice, Thank you. Thank you.

2:29:43SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:30:01SpeakerBecause it's like, oh, you're the lead guitar player. You got to be out in front. And every lead has got to be every note you've ever learned played in every measure, you know, as fast as you possibly can. You need to show the girls out there that you're Eddie Van Halen reincarnated, right? Or, you know, you're kind of like Going to where you're, I don't know, what Trey was saying in the Bittersweet Hotel movie, right?

2:30:26SpeakerHe's like, oh, I'm coming, I'm coming. I'm like, I'm playing that guitar solo and it's kind of like, it's going through me and it's not actually coming from me, but there's just like this musical feel that's kind of like just taking it through my fingers and taking it off the fretboard and washing it all over the audience and everything, right? And so that whole experience, I think, can be lubricated by cannabis, right?

2:30:52SpeakerAnd there's like a lot of, you know, lore about, again, jazz musicians going back to, you know, Satchmo and, you know, even the ones who got really You know, went over the deep end like Coltrane, where again, there was a sort of mental space that they needed to be in to be able to create that music and to create those sheets of sound. And there was something going through their brain at the time that again, you could never repeat this.

2:31:22SpeakerThat's what Garcia used to say all the time. I could never repeat that if I wanted to, because it was just in that moment and it was going through the guitar and through his fingers. And then once it's out there, it's gone. And that's why he encouraged the people to come and tape because once they play it that once, it's gone. It's in the hitherland.

2:31:47Etienne FontanBut going off that FDA and now HHS say that medical cannabis, it's real. And so we're just waiting on some semantics to confirm, but science has confirmed that it is medically effective. It's just to what extent has to be explored. And I think that's what you're pointing to is currently there is no floor. And there's a very, very high ceiling if researchers were allowed to get in and to actually prove, at least the United States, we have to reprove everything because what's been proven in Canada and other places in the world apparently isn't good enough for our science.

2:32:28Etienne FontanSo, you know, looking to use scientists who are watching to start doing and making things happen in the future. Because, you know, we need the science to be as harmonizing as the music you're talking about, Mark, right?

2:32:46SpeakerYeah, I mean, it's a nonlinear process. And the beautiful thing is, is that, you know, we're all standing on the shoulders, whether you're talking about science or you're talking about art, you're standing on the shoulders of all those who came before you, right? And kind of like what David Grissman says, it's like gumbo. The more you put into the pot, The more you get out. So the more influences you put in to your science thinking, the more literature you read.

2:33:18SpeakerI've been fascinated since that article came out a couple of weeks ago about this new type of chromatography that these researchers used to identify those flavalkaloids That are in the cannabis leaves. I'm sure you guys saw this paper that came out a couple weeks ago. It was really cool because, again, I've been doing chemistry for, oh my God, I've been in the lab since 1982. Someone tell me how many years that's been.

2:33:49SpeakerIt's been a long fucking time. So here it is, man. A Cannabis Journal article comes out just last week, and I'm learning about this new hydrophilic reverse phase chromatography, which I had never seen before. But I guess it's been out for some time and used in the food industry and flavor industry but i'd never i'm not familiar with this method so you know i'm learning something new after 40 years and again this is only made possible because we do have a crystal ball we have the scientific literature and we could look into the future ironically by looking into the past

2:34:33SpeakerSee what's going to happen by basically knowing where the current scientific frontier is. So I'm really excited. We're going to write a grant proposal and we're going to do some work again with Dr. Gallo out in South Africa. And yeah, there are other countries ATN that are embracing cannabis and cannabinoid research. And just, it's great that there's a whole new kind of mentality of looking at what we can learn From the plant and what we can learn in this post-Mishulam era of cannabinoid scientists, you know, Rafi took us so far.

2:35:17SpeakerHe got us to the point where he's like, okay, here's what the active ingredient is. OK, here's the receptors, the active ingredient axon. Oh, here's the molecule that your body makes that THC mimics. I mean, just think about that. I mean, that right there, he should have won the Nobel Prize for because not a pharmaceutical company on planet Earth did not look at compounds to impact THC.

2:35:44SpeakerThose cannabinoid receptors, as soon as they were discovered, and when you think about the wealth of other receptors like TRPV1, that's the capsaicin, PPAR2, and all these other unknown receptors that we still are... So why do you think that doesn't happen, right? Like if we want to get behind these people and their science, but then we see them ignore something like that or not acknowledge that this system even exists for so long.

2:36:29BubblemanWhat is that?

2:36:31SpeakerYeah. So, so Marcus, so the year before he died, there was, he was nominated for the, in the process that the Nobel Committee, which is a committee of academics in Sweden, right? Because the prize comes out of Stockholm, right? Because Nobel, Alfred Nobel was a Sweden candidate. Actually, like DuPont, he came up with explosives like TNT, right? So blowing people up, you know, merchants of war and all that kind of crap.

2:37:01SpeakerBut anyway, you know, Nobel's basically left their money to this prize, right? They give out the Nobel Peace Prize. There's a Nobel Prize in chemistry. There's Nobel Prize in medicine and in physics and economics and mathematics and whatnot. So yeah, why hasn't that... I would say that, yeah, there is a lot of bias, even in the scientific community against cannabinoids and cannabis. But there is. Here's a question though.

2:37:33BubblemanHere's a question. Let's talk about that bias because that's frightening. That bias blinds them to truth, but they're scientists who are telling us to trust the science because it's the truth.

2:37:48Collin PalmerIt's the dark side of it though, right? Like, you know, you have, you know, you have this, this wonderful set of minds out there, right? That are someone comes, a body, a group of people come over top of and they suppress, right? And it's

2:38:03SpeakerIt's, you know, it's, well, I, I think it's a, I think it's a, I think it's a continuum. I think it's an ongoing way. And I think what, um, this was in reference to the, the Trump administration and all that, but we were talking about the, um, What Dr. Martin Luther King used to say, which is that the moral arc of the universe does bend towards justice, right?

2:38:31SpeakerMeaning that it's kind of like a long play and you'd like to think it does with cannabis too, but Colin, it's amazing when you go to NIH. Reporter.gov. And you look at the millions of dollars that the NIH is now spending on cannabis and cannabinoid research. And it's no longer exclusive, just funded under NIDA, which is National Institute of Drug Abuse. But what I can even tell you, even within the NIDA, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:39:25SpeakerStroke and brain disorders. They're all funding cannabinoid stuff now. So I think like Shiksa and like other people who are out there in the world now studying, you don't necessarily need a schedule one license. And what you find, Colin, if you go to the... International Cannabinoid Research Society meeting is most of the work is not around phytocannabinoids. It's mostly around endocannabinoids, right? Mostly on derivatives of anandamide and 2-AG.

2:39:57SpeakerAnd there's a lot of people who are now looking at synergistic effects. So I think the one thing that the cannabis plant teaches us, that Meshulam teaches us, is that the activity isn't in a single compound. It's in multiple compounds, right? Right. And the FDA has even recognized we don't have a system to regulate multiple compound actives. That's just not what we do. We take a single active ingredient, right?

2:40:23SpeakerDouble blind placebo. You take it through and you look at. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:40:56SpeakerThey, they're alleviated by, you know, like what is the therapeutic index on some of these drugs? Again, if you talk to some of the doctors, you know, again, when they do these clinical trials, Colin, you have to like, look at like, Patients that have pre-existing conditions and overweight patients and patients who are on five different meds, patients who are on three different meds, two different meds, just run the gamut of everything because what they're putting into their body is going to affect whether or not that drug is effective.

2:41:30SpeakerAnd the other thing, and I'll shut up after this, I know I've been doing a lot of talking, is that like with cannabis, I think that like I'm always like a little reluctant when I talk to like folks in my parents' generation. So my dad just turned 89 years old. Knock on wood. My mom's 88. They're all still alive. But. You know, they take a lot of FDA meds and like how those FDA meds are going to react with like a gummy or something like that.

2:41:59SpeakerYou don't know. You really don't know. And like like when I give advice to older folks about using cannabis, you always say, yeah, start slow. You could always take more. You can't take or you could. Yeah, you could always take more. You can't take less. But like having doctors actually have cases to where, you know, you could say, okay, I could prescribe an opiate because that guy's got back pain, but you know what?

2:42:29SpeakerI'll encourage him to try cannabis first. So therefore, if cannabis works to treat their pain, hey, great. Now we don't have to worry about another opiate addict, right? So yeah, anyway, I'll shut up.

2:42:44Collin PalmerWell, no, there's like so much stuff that you drop that's should be unpacked for listeners. Like one is one is the and I'll break it down to this like simplistic analogy because I I worked with Thomas Jefferson University in the Lambert School a little bit and I tried to explain to them that you're used to a circle, a single monomolecular substance that you've run through trials. It's got all the things that Dr. Mark mentioned.

2:43:08Collin PalmerThere's There's people educating you on what the adverse effects are if you add other compounds. So it is very much a circle if we're going to break it down into a shape. And what cannabinoids are and all what comes along with it is really kind of a hexagon where there's a bunch of different touch points that when you put it in front of these types of regulatory bodies and individuals that don't understand those touch points of what Aaron Ward, Cannavenoids and the constituents around it can do it.

2:43:41Collin PalmerThey just immediately get lost and they get scared and they say it's scatterbrained or they're, you know, they just don't understand it. So I think the most important thing right now is like, it's, it's really, it's great that to hear that the funding is now being taking a little bit more seriously at this point. And they're actually looking at this in a more Serious way, but it's concerning at the same time that they're not looking at.

2:44:09Collin PalmerPhytocannabinoids, right?

2:44:14SpeakerYeah, well, there's there's there's opportunities there. Well, there's there's people like me. So I'm NIH funded and what we look at are derivatives. So we make so we take the phytocannabinoids. We do chemistry like hydrogenation. And it's like, oh my gosh. So now we've made new compounds. That doesn't mean that they should be in a vape pen or a gummy. That means we should study the impact that those chemical transformations have on like THC.

2:44:45SpeakerAnd so like with HHCA, for example, Colin, this is really cool. So what we found early on was hydrogenation of the cannabinoids improved their anti-tumor efficacies, right? That was just a one-off. We did that study just to basically get data for the patent. But when we hydrogenate, so check this out, this is really cool. So when we hydrogenate THCA, right, we make a new stereogenic center in the molecule, right?

2:45:15SpeakerIt could either be R or S. So we make the mixture of R and S H8CA, right? So we've now done chiral chromatography to separate those two. And what we find is that the S isomer is more active than the R isomer, right? It's totally fucking cool. I mean, no one's ever done this before. So it's like, and the cool thing is, is we have data to show that, first of all, hydrogenation improves the activity of killing...

2:45:48Collin PalmerExplain what the due differences are for the listener because I think that's really important.

2:45:55SpeakerYeah, so if you look at the chicken wire, the chemical structure of THCA, you'll see a double bond in that north ring, right? So what we've done is we've hydrogenated that double bond. So we've added hydrogen to that. And when we do that, we create a new stereogenic center at the ninth position. And so there's a 9R isomer of HHCA and there's a 9S isomer. And what's known with HH, so HHCA is like, THCA, that when you thermally heat it, it loses the carboxylic acid.

2:46:38SpeakerAnd so HHCA turns into HHC. And what's known for HHC, so Mishulam did this work and reported back in 1971 that the R isomer of HHC is more active at CB1 than is the S isomer. And actually, there's a new publication in the literature from Neil Garg at UCLA. This just came out like a couple of weeks ago. And the very famous calculation chemist, Ken Houck, who's also a professor at UCLA, is on it.

2:47:14SpeakerSo it's so cool. I mean, here's UCLA, right? A powerhouse university here in the United States. Very well-known legacy chemistry department there. And he's basically showing that, yes, computationally, these two isomers are different from one another. So where THCA has got a flat, basically no stereochemistry, hydrogenation now introduces stereochemistry there. So what we found is that, so we're looking at, so my colleague, is an immune cell T cell biologist.

2:47:49SpeakerAnd so she studies cells that are part of the immune system. And so one of the cells that she looks at is something called a jerk at T cell, which are basically leukemic T cells. They're T cells that have gone leukemic. And they're used to study variety of different cancers, but they're also used to study autoimmune disorders as well. So it's kind of like, well, we want to screen against those cells because we can get a lot of information.

2:48:18SpeakerSo Colin, check this out. What we find is that Our hydrogenation improves on the killing of those cells. So at 10 micromolar, we're seeing like 70% dead cells with our hydrogenated compounds, but at 10 micromolar, THCA is not active at all. What we found is that when we separate those two isomers, that the S isomer, which is one of the isomers, is more active than the R isomer.

2:48:46SpeakerWe wouldn't have known that until we did the test. So what we're interested in doing is like looking... So we're going to take those two separated isomers now and send those to Dr. Gallo out in South Africa. And she's going to look at... She's looking at a couple different... Types of prostate cancer cell type assays. And we're going to see again, does hydrogenation improve on the activity, any cancer activity?

2:49:17SpeakerI mean, that's what I'm interested in. I'm interested in the pharmaceutical application of these things, not Thank you for joining us.

2:49:50Collin PalmerEveryone understands what it is.

2:49:53SpeakerMaking new molecules. It's a lot of fun.

2:50:00Collin PalmerI got to go.

2:50:01BubblemanCaleb just popped back in. Oh, you're taking off, Colin?

2:50:04Collin PalmerYeah, I got to go to the beach here. Memorial Day thing. But love you all. Thanks for a great conversation, Mark. Thanks again, man. Marcus, always big love, man. ATN. Much love, man.

2:50:21SpeakerYeah, Colin, let's make a trip up to Canada when Marcus is in Quebec, right? Let's do that.

2:50:27Collin PalmerI'm not going to be able to do this because I'm going to California this week, but I'd love to come up anyway, see Adam, hang out with you guys.

2:50:35SpeakerYeah, definitely. You know, you got a place to stay here always. Cool.

2:50:39Collin PalmerAll right. Well, much love, everyone. Peace, everyone.

2:50:44SpeakerSee you, Colin.

2:50:45BubblemanPeace, brother. Thanks for popping in. Welcome back, Caleb.

2:50:49SpeakerHey, Caleb.

2:50:52CalebY'all want to see this art wall?

2:50:56Collin PalmerOf course.

2:50:57CalebThere's a string cheese incident sound check going on right now.

2:51:00Etienne FontanOh, really? String cheese is playing shit. So it starts over here.

2:51:09CalebYou see each...

2:51:17CalebPerson's got like 10, 15 feet to work with. All sorts of designs. The event is just getting started here.

2:51:38CalebWalking tour.

2:51:42SpeakerNice. Caleb's got a laminate. He just flashes that guy, right?

2:51:47BubblemanJust like I'm a VIP, I'm just bringing my Hash Church crew through.

2:51:51CalebThere's a cool map that shows where everyone's come from. I met this guy that's here all the way from Virginia Beach who flew in just for the event. Sick.

2:52:08BubblemanThat's awesome. I wish Todd was there, man. Craig was bugging me. He's like, come on, man. You got to make it. It's the end of August. I'm like, oh, fuck. If I get my waiver.

2:52:19CalebWhat I want to show y'all, though, is since this is like a DCC licensed event, what I'm showing you here is the area where alcohol isn't allowed, right? 21 plus zone. And then there's the stage. And then there's this fence between right in the middle of the 21 plus zone. The cannabis side is over there, and this is the alcohol-allowed side. And the fence goes right up to the middle of the stage here.

2:52:48CalebSo it's actually kind of interesting.

2:52:55BubblemanReally making you choose.

2:52:58SpeakerYeah.

2:52:59CalebAnd the thing about that is, on the side where alcohol is allowed... Just like every other Humboldt event, everybody's smoking. So you're actually choosing between smoking and drinking or just smoking. The only rule that's being enforced is people walking here into the 21 plus cannabis zone are not allowed to have alcohol.

2:53:26CalebSo as you can see, even this early before the music is playing, It's completely dead in the cannabis zone. And so all the people, all the licensees that have paid to be here are getting significantly less foot traffic because of the logistics of obeying the rules of having a public cannabis consumption event. This is just like a perfect example of the bureaucracy and the fact that the logistics are still being worked out.

2:53:58Collin PalmerLast night, an artist was up there and he was saying, I'm going to go out into the crowd. And then he looked at the two crowds and he said, I'm going out into that crowd.

2:54:07CalebAnd then everyone on the cannabis side fucking walked over to the other side.

2:54:13BubblemanWhy is this happening? That is hilarious.

2:54:19BubblemanSo they literally have a fence right down the middle.

2:54:24BubblemanI would be so happily staying on the cannabis side with nobody else.

2:54:31Etienne FontanYeah, I'd be bringing a crowd with me. Yeah, you can be right ups, right ups, you know.

2:54:40SpeakerThis looks much more pleasant than Burning Man does, right? Oh, absolutely.

2:54:45Etienne FontanThere's actual clouds. Yeah.

2:54:53CalebFun times.

2:54:55Collin PalmerSo, speaking of music...

2:54:58CalebDr. Mark, what you were talking about earlier about how, you know, there's all that literature about jazz musicians and, you know, that default of band players playing together. And, you know, I've read that they say specifically, like, they feel that there's more time between the notes, right? And I feel for sure that, like, there's certain types of cannabis that are more conducive to that than not.

2:55:24Collin PalmerAnd especially during the jazz era,

2:55:26CalebA lot of those imports of ganja would have been more equatorial flower right like I could even now without any testing of those samples just kind of guesstimate that they probably had more THCV in them than the standard weed that you'd find at a concert nowadays because of all the hybridization that's happened and you know like so the type of We need that musicians seem to like, especially for writing, let alone performing, maybe a little bit two different classes there.

2:55:56CalebBut I definitely feel like those more upper, longer flowering things seem to be correlated with musician preferences specifically for that creativity, flow state, all that sort of stuff. And, you know, THCV, CBG content, certain terpenes, certain other things that we haven't quantified yet might be the source of that whole plant high that we for sure aren't getting elsewhere.

2:56:20BubblemanTotally.

2:56:24BubblemanSo this is just the beginning right now. That's why there's not many people around, but this will pack up and fill up with folks.

2:56:33CalebYeah, it looks to be early on in the day. But this is officially open right now.

2:56:44Etienne FontanHow many people do you think were there yesterday?

2:56:49CalebYou know, I was able to, a lot of the students are volunteering. So the people that were literally checking people in, I'd say like a good three digit number.

2:57:03Collin PalmerNot as big as other concerts, but venue wise, it was so beautiful.

2:57:08CalebSo just right by the water here.

2:57:15CalebAnd it's also funny because there's this, uh, The smallest licensed bar in California apparently is on a boat as they keep arriving in the boat right down here. And then all the people drinking beer on the boat will wave at all the people here that are smoking. It's kind of funny.

2:57:38BubblemanInteresting. So you have kind of a gathering of a bonding of the alcohol and tobacco via the boat and land, but the stage has a clear division with a fence that goes right down the center, allowing no bonding between the cannabis and alcohol folks.

2:57:58BubblemanOh, he bounced. That was funny. I was having a hard time understanding that. Like, why would they do that down the middle of the stage? That's interesting. I mean, I get it like a three foot or a four foot, but like a 10 foot, like a giant, like right down the middle.

2:58:14Etienne FontanThat's a first. But hey, got to separate those alcohol people. They get violent. I've heard that before, actually. Well, Jack used to say that at things. You know, what happens when, you know, five drunks get together, right? They get into a fight. What happens when five stoners get together? They start a band.

2:58:36CalebYeah.

2:58:37Etienne FontanAnd order a pizza. Of course. You gotta eat. Can't be sad. I don't have the pizza.

2:58:42CalebI don't have the pizza. Caleb's back. He's back. I keep accidentally hitting a button that kicks me out.

2:58:51Etienne FontanI'll try that now.

2:58:54CalebIt might be the cannabis. It might be the cannabis. This is cool. So in the section that is all cannabis, so you can make purchases and all the licensees are doing like discounts because they don't have to pay one of the middlemen. And if you look at these menus, it's actually, this one's awesome. I want to show it off because it's plenty of CBD flour, can of tonic, Ringo's Gift, can of tonic, Ringo's Gift, the Harle-Sue.

2:59:25CalebAnd this is also where you can get half ounces of White Thorn Rose for $40, which is definitely the best price for that.

2:59:33Collin PalmerFrom Huckleberry Farms?

2:59:36CalebFrom one of their partners that has the exact same cut. Wow. So there's a picture of the White Thorn Rose growing.

2:59:48CalebAnd pretty much every booth, the farmers brought some fresh fruit from their farm to share as well. That's awesome.

2:59:56Etienne FontanIt's apple season.

2:59:58CalebIt is apple season.

3:00:00BubblemanThat's a nice touch. Some apples, some cucumbers, some whatevers. Something yummy. Humboldt County.

3:00:12CalebHumboldt County is Jerry Savage Farms. I'm on Hash Church right here, showing these people around the cool flower. These are all got minor cannabinoids in them. They're on the house church too.

3:00:28Collin PalmerTHCV.

3:00:29CalebCitrine Dream, the 1-2 THC CBD. This one right here, 2-1 CBG THC. Cool stuff is these right here. I think that one goes 10-12 weeks. This one 10-12 weeks. They have one that's 16 weeks. And right here, wanted to show everyone this.

3:00:54Etienne FontanThere you go.

3:00:55CalebThese are the pearls. The pearls.

3:01:00BubblemanYeah, that looks like some grin spoon or some 26 week haze. Yes. So unbelievable. Love me some haze. I'm getting cotton mouth just watching this. Jesus Christ. It's going to be so good. Just so many different booths you can boot around to. Man, and I actually like that there's not 10 million people around. Like, I would like to be at this event early.

3:01:35CalebYeah, you could talk with any of the farmers. And it's not just the farmers that are here. There's also a lot of breeders. And it's funny because the breeders can't be here in the legal cannabis zone because they're not technically licensed.

3:01:51SpeakerOh.

3:01:55CalebActually, there's one. Some of them, they have to decide which side they go on, yeah. But a lot of the breeders are actually out here in just the general zone. All right. Using some farms. Everyone's got their 10 by 10 booth. It's awesome.

3:02:20Etienne FontanIt's always one of these. Gotta get a shot with Willie.

3:02:26CalebI'm doing well, man. I just showed these people on Hash Church the pearls. These people? I'm just joking. Yeah, you can't hear right now, but this is Dave Perkins with Buddy Lero.

3:02:45BubblemanOh, swerve, swerve. That's what's up.

3:02:49CalebShit, I want to see some haze. Yeah, dude, love to see some haze. Yeah.

3:02:53Etienne FontanFor a funny hat? Yes, we want to see haze.

3:02:55CalebAbsolutely.

3:02:57BubblemanThe bear shit in the woods. Oh, band-aid.

3:02:59SpeakerAll right. Oh, man.

3:03:00BubblemanOh, shit.

3:03:09Etienne FontanYeah, that looks beautiful. Yes, please.

3:03:12BubblemanDude, you got to grab his number for me, dude. I want to invite him on Hash Church another time to come share hazes.

3:03:19CalebNo, absolutely. He needs to come on Hashers to talk to us. We'll make it happen.

3:03:24Collin PalmerI got Band-Aid Haze Hash too. You got Band-Aid Haze Hash too. That's right.

3:03:28CalebI showed that actually at the beginning of the episode. You did.

3:03:31BubblemanThat's the homie that was giving it away?

3:03:33CalebThat's the homie with the Band-Aid Haze Hash, yes.

3:03:35BubblemanYeah.

3:03:36CalebSo definitely the right crew. Righteous. For these people.

3:03:42BubblemanThat's awesome for these people. That's great.

3:03:45CalebThese connoisseurs, that's what these people that are listening are, you know? Absolutely.

3:03:50BubblemanThere's a couple hundred of us.

3:03:54CalebYes. Alpine. Alpine Sea Group. Y'all have seen this, you know? That's just beautiful. Happy Dream Genetics.

3:04:06Collin PalmerHappy Dream.

3:04:10CalebYes, they're a very popular span of this, I heard. And then here we've got Tamara, heal thyself, ask us about our bulk compliant hemp, CBD, CBD. Bulk compliant. We got that bulk compliant, yo. Bulk compliant. Trinity Alps. Lots of people bringing plants to show off because this is technically just hemp, right? Still. Yeah, right.

3:04:43CalebGhost Dance. Yeah. How you doing?

3:04:47Collin PalmerNice to see you. Chris, I don't know if you remember when you came and visited the Ghost Dance.

3:04:50CalebYeah, with Mojave and Rob. How you doing?

3:04:53Collin PalmerI'll be by later.

3:04:54CalebI'm good.

3:04:54BubblemanWhat's up, Chris? You're on Hash Church.

3:04:58CalebLet me see if I can remove my thing. I'm on Hash Church right now.

3:05:04Etienne FontanOh, you're on a call? Sorry about that. No, no, no, no, no.

3:05:10CalebAh. Here we go. The podcast.

3:05:18BubblemanCaleb's our man on the ground. He's boots on the ground. Caleb's hitting the events. He's fucking interviewing people.

3:05:23CalebWhat's up, dude?

3:05:28BubblemanWe can hear you. We can hear you. We can hear you. They just can't hear us.

3:05:37BubblemanBut we could hear you. I think the headphones only have the microphone on. That's okay. You're fine. We can hear you.

3:05:48BubblemanYeah, we're happy. You're just sharing, man. Now we can't hear you.

3:05:54BubblemanRight? Am I losing my mind at 10?

3:05:59Etienne FontanNo, no, I can't hear him. No, no, he's on mute now. Okay.

3:06:02BubblemanWe have an asset on the ground. Vermont Skunk just said in the chat, we got an asset on the ground. Uh, He's probably over by the Hayes hash. If you could track him down, just follow your nose. Terpene lean. It always knows. The nose always knows, man. Oh, the end of a long summer. You know, my son going back to school in a couple of days, me going away on a trip.

3:06:30BubblemanIt all just starts back up. And in like no time, it'll be colder. The snow will fall. Whistler will be a reality just like that. I'll be snowboarding as often as I possibly can this winter. So stoked and taking good care of my body and lifting weights three times a week, squats and bench presses and just building a little bit of strength so that snowboarding is a little bit easier instead of a little bit harder each year.

3:07:03BubblemanBecause it doesn't have to go in that direction. Ah, yes, the Celine Dion Terps. That's funny. It is bizarre that Selena dying is such a close. Right. Oh, I've got our last album, the Selena dying. Yeah. I only have her greatest hit.

3:07:27Etienne FontanHer greatest hit.

3:07:28BubblemanYeah, I took her greatest hit at the Emerald Cup with Johnny from the Huckleberry Farms. Are you there?

3:07:38BubblemanNice OG brick. Keep lifting. Take care of yourself. Get stronger, not weaker. They say leg strength and foot strength becomes very important as you get older. You know, the toes and the feet and the legs, if they can't hold you up, you fall down. And if you fall down, you break your hip. And if you break your hip, that's tough. Have to overcome that when you're older.

3:08:02BubblemanBy the way, Dr. Mark, incredible that your dad is 89. I was thinking about that. That is 44 years longer than my father lived. So you are blessed, my friend. I am. I'm really lucky to still have both my parents. I'm stoked for you. That's pretty incredible. What a cool experience to get your parents to grow old and you're still around and they get to, I mean, my goodness, when you live to that kind of an age as well, as long as you're not doing this new age, like don't have kids till you're 50.

3:08:37BubblemanGrandparents used to meet their like great grandkids and sometimes even their great great grandkids, which is wild. That's like nowadays you're lucky to meet your grandparents. It's like my mom had me when she was 52.

3:08:50Etienne FontanYeah, I met my great-grandmother, right? That was, you know, she was in her 90s. I remember she was in her bed, but that, you know, that was an earlier memory. But yeah, but yeah, I mean, Dr. Mark, your kids got to meet your grandparents, whereas Bubble Man, that was not to be in the cards for you.

3:09:11BubblemanWell, it half and half was. So my daughter and my son met my dad, but they were little, like three and two, you know what I mean? Like they were super young the last time.

3:09:25Etienne FontanNot enough to form any memories, right?

3:09:27BubblemanYeah, not enough to form any memories, but I got the memories and I got to be there. I got a picture with my dad, myself and my son, Tosh. So three generations. But Tanner never met any of them. He never met my wife's father. He never met my father. He never met my stepmother. But he has the two grandmas. So you just got to be appreciative to have what you have.

3:09:52BubblemanAnd Yeah, it's all about gratefulness. You know, if you're grateful, you win, you know, with whatever you have. If you're upset and ungrateful, well, then you lose.

3:10:09BubblemanDon't let someone steal your peace over simple things. I know it's hard sometimes, I'll tell you. I don't pretend to be the master of that, but one dab closer every time, just like, oh, yeah. Need another little dab. Little dry sift that I put in a little container that like took on the shape of the container. It was in here. Gonna put that back in there. Actually, it fits so good.

3:10:42BubblemanAnd maybe hit, I have so many other flavors, but none of them are here. I only grabbed three, but I have like 11 other different flavors in my freezer out there that, uh, I guess there's lots of time. No need to be insane, right? Not sure if I'll go all the way till one o'clock today. Might call it a little bit earlier today. We'll see how it goes.

3:11:06BubblemanBut yeah, I do have an interest in curating a couple of shows. It would be good to maybe curate a veteran show, Etienne. And it would be good to curate another science show, Dr. Mark. And it would be good to curate that glass show. I think those three shows could be well received. Yeah, I'm thinking like a doctor show.

3:11:33SpeakerI've met a couple doctors now, and maybe we could get Shiksa and a few other... Practicing physicians to come on and talk, you know? Sure.

3:11:45Etienne FontanI also want to bring on, I have kind of an interview of 200 questions I'd like to do of you, Marcus.

3:11:52BubblemanOh yes. I remember. That's right. You want to do that on hash church anytime really at 10, let's just pick the day and we'll hammer it out. Yeah.

3:12:00SpeakerAnd glass church. That, that idea is a great, that one very much looking forward to you.

3:12:06BubblemanYeah, I think, you know, it's a great story. It's intertwined with hash and dabs and consumption. And I think The same way it's important to focus on, oh, I learned about this and I learned about that and the growing aspect. I learned about genetics and how to hunt genetics and phenotypes. And I learned all these important aspects in order to preserve or sorry, in order to produce and express more volatile organic compounds.

3:12:37BubblemanWell, on the flip side, it's like how you consume them is like a big deal. It depends. It decides. So, you know, how those flavors are perceived, and I can definitely tell when you have as many different smoking devices as I have, and I probably have 20 of them just on my desk here. They're all different with the same resin. Even sometimes at the same temperatures, they just don't preserve or release these compounds the same.

3:13:05BubblemanThey do it super differently. When you when a certain heat is a little hotter in one type of surface and it blasts out some monoterpenes that creates a flavor profile that's underneath there that you don't taste when you taste like maybe the monoterpenes first or I don't really pretend to explain exactly what's happening. But as I read my scent book, thanks to Jeremy Plum for the secret of scent book.

3:13:31BubblemanThat is, there are some people nerding out in the world on scents. And they're not just cannabis people. I think that we can learn the most about the chemistry of cannabis through that pathway of sensory scientists, you know, scent specialists. Yeah. And that's your two cents. And that is my two cents. And it rhymes with sense because it is sense. It all makes sense.

3:14:03BubblemanHave another dab. And shout out to Puffco and the Press Club for sponsoring Hash Church as always. We appreciate you both. You guys have been awesome. Press Club's given away all sorts of amazing gifts. They must have given away at least eight to 10. Uh, packages that they've shipped to Hash Church listeners. So thank you guys for that. And thanks to Puffco. I know Puffco has like a new product coming out in September, I think.

3:14:32BubblemanNot sure what exactly it is, but we may do a little unveiling of that product here on Hash Church with the panelists. We'll see how that goes. So thank you guys. Yeah, I think, I think a little, a little early today. I'm going to take my son out. It's one of the last days before school, but I do want to thank everyone for showing up for another episode of Hash Church.

3:14:55BubblemanWe've got some special ones. If you guys have any ideas, You want to send them my way. I'm always down. If it's an idea that involves a person that's never been on Hash Church, you know, it's best if you can connect me with that person. You know, it's a little bit more work to have to track them down. But if you want to help and inspire a show or two, I know Caleb's got some good ideas as well.

3:15:19BubblemanWe're always down to help curate some new shows. So give me a shout at bcbubbleman at iCloud.com. In the meantime, yeah, may the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. May you be stoned as fuck as often as you can. Peace, everybody.