Bubble Hash History and Water Extraction Origins

0:14BubblemanAll right. A little commercial here first. We'll skip that out. All right, everybody. Welcome.

0:28BubblemanLet me just start recording. That way we don't have that problem. Welcome, everyone, to Hash Church. Sunday morning here, 9 a.m. on beautiful British Columbia's...

0:41BubblemanThere we go. That's not working on my ears, so I better fix that real quick. Got to disconnect that to get this connected, this, that, and the other thing. Just want to have these headphones or AirPods working, so apologies. Might have to put them away and put them back in my head so that they can reset. Apologies, everyone, for the technical difficulties. Let's see if I can't get that working now.

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5:47BubblemanSo there it is. Thanks to all of the sponsors. And, you know, usually by now I'll have three or four people kind of waiting to get into the chat room, but that is not the case. I am alone. It is a lonely day over here. So I say we started off with a little puppy pack. Yeah, pomatose, champagne. Oh, let's go for Romulan. Let's hit up some Romulan from the Fraser Valley Rosin Boys.

6:20BubblemanThat's Fraser.Rosin.Valley. No, Fraser.Valley.Rosin3.0. That is their Instagram. You can check them out and you can be puffing on what I'm puffing on, which is just some lovely, delicious, flavorful, live hash rosin. All right, and welcome everyone in the chat room. I appreciate that you guys show up so early every day. We have a Discord chat that if you want to request the link for and you're in the chat, you can get that no problem.

6:56BubblemanIf you're watching, I'll put it in the description at the end of today's Hash Church, and we can kind of go from there. In the meantime, I hope everyone had a good week. It's been a long one. Lots going on in the world, particularly in the world of cannabis, which is the world that I live in. Yes, Romulan is a favorite. Now, I can't say...

7:24BubblemanI mean... It's definitely very nice. I just don't know if it, I have not seen anything other than a Romulan cross from about 20 years ago. It was a guy, he was called Rabbit something on Overgrown. It was the first time I'd seen Romulan since I had, and I knew Romulan very, very intimately. I just don't, I haven't seen it in like 20 plus years. So there is that.

7:53BubblemanGear up, get your dab tools ready. If you guys are ready, I'm ready. I guess we should probably send out the odd invite if maybe Logan wants.

8:10BubblemanSee if Logan wants to pop in or maybe Dr. David Allen. You know, my bad. I didn't send out the link again till yesterday night, which is a very late amount of time to give people. I did talk to Jodi Emery, Jodi Ramgias, sorry, Jodi. And she's going to come on next week and she's going to come and share more information about her fair cannabis that she's doing.

8:36BubblemanOh yeah, Dabselvania, I did. That's you, eh? You're JK Rowling? Although I did find out that that was very unlikely her on the boat, that she rents it out for like, you know, 40 weeks of the year or something, and I believe it's a million dollars a week. He's harvesting Sam's seeds. Yeah, fuck, I'd love to have Robert on, man. Robert's tough to have on, though, because he doesn't have the...

9:03BubblemanKnow-how or knowledge. And he usually comes in on a phone and he usually comes in on a phone in a field that doesn't quite have connectivity. So I would love for Robert to get his connectivity organized and together because he is, yeah, he's awesome, man. He's a good homie. Aloha, Chiefs Nation. There we go. All right, well, my dabber is very hot for nine in the morning, but we're going to go for it.

9:32BubblemanI'm going to let it cool a little bit. And what's up, Press Club? We just shouted you out. Look at that. There you are right there. The Press Club. I guess I should just put those like right there, shouldn't I? Shouldn't that be? Have a little Press Club, a little support, although it did kind of work in our favor this way as well. Means I don't have a nail right now, but it still shows, eh?

9:59BubblemanJust gave you guys a new shout out today. I rewrote the shout out today. So we are ripping, bro. Let's get this party started. All right. Man, I'll tell you, five years ago, I would have absolutely lost my mind if I came into Hash Church and no one was here. Today I could do four hours by myself, no problem. Which is kind of crazy when you think about it.

10:25BubblemanAll right, here we go.

10:39Bubbleman540 for me, B-Rave.

10:50BubblemanHello, Tame.

10:58BubblemanYes, Diana, you are right. Robert's phone battery is always low. But that's okay, because we love him. We'd support him with low or high. Oh, there we go. Anyway, what can I say? What can I say? I mean... All sorts of things going on in the world of cannabis and hashish. I'm sure that we'll see from... Johnny B is traveling right now, actually. He is traveling. And as much as I love having Johnny B on, he's really dwelled deep, delved, sorry, extremely deep into AI.

11:41BubblemanAnd we don't have a lot of AI conversations on Hash Church. I am the king of low batteries. Yes, Robert, you are the king of low batteries. I'll tell you something, Robert. You should get one of these. I got one. It was awesome. It's called the dashed. So you can you got a little little button on the back here. You can put anything on top that is charged wirelessly and it'll charge wirelessly.

12:08BubblemanYou can see now it just turned on when you saw the green flash. So now this unit is charging, which you can see on the back here. And anything that charges wirelessly will charge wirelessly on this little bad boy. Also, it's a magnet. Which is pretty cool if you have to plug it into the wall. It's not a very strong magnet, but it is a magnet. It's got two cords, one for each type of phone, your iPhone or your Android.

12:34BubblemanAnd then it's got two spots to plug in. So you can charge five things at once with this thing and it lasts. It is my travel, like the best travel tool. If you want to have a plug for Amsterdam, Thank you for watching.

13:07BubblemanYes, safe travels to Johnny B. He was out in Germany. I saw he was doing one of the, maybe the CAPCH Expo in Dortmund, which is crazy. That's one of the first places I went to Germany back in like the 90s when I would go to the cannabis business in Germany. And that would be where he went. He went for an Anthony Robbins, Tony Robbins thing earlier in like, I'm not sure exactly where.

13:33BubblemanAnd then I saw like a couple of days later, he was at this, At this event. So yeah, hopefully he's back home. Oh, there he is right there. Johnny B. There he is right there doing his thing back from Germany. Funny enough, my daughter is also in Germany right now or is in Germany seeing as you're back home now. But yeah, I hope you had a good trip.

13:54BubblemanHope you got lots done in Dortmund. Always a good time in, well, that's not true. Dortmund is actually an industrial dump of a place. Not the best place that you would want to go and visit and hang out in, but nonetheless, pretty darn cool.

14:21BubblemanOh, maybe I'll invite my uncle in. I did one video with my uncle Gio some years ago. It was a live video at my mother's house. And unfortunately, that was one of the only videos I lost, if you can imagine, when I got my channel hacked and taken away for, I don't know how long it was. It must have been a couple of months that it was gone.

14:46BubblemanWelcome, Baked Stoner from Scotland. Welcome, Dale McCabe. Good morning to you as well. And good morning to everyone, really. I remember Uncle Gio. Yes, Berlin and then Dortmund. Berlin's a pretty fun city. I'm not going to lie. My daughter is in Munich right now. She's at a Oktoberfest event in Munich, Germany, traveling around, doing her thing. Let's see what we got here. Let's see what we got here.

15:24BubblemanJust going to send out a few more invitations. Although I'm sure if I just take a couple more rips, I'll be able to, I'll be able to get it going. Get the gift of gab, get the conversation going, laddies.

15:45BubblemanOh, good morning, Hash fam, Vapcap JB. I want a hash shirt, t-shirt, or hoodie. I agree, Super Relim. It is way past due that I create some merch for Hash Church. Not to try and make a bunch of money, but just for us to have some merch for Hash Church. Really, truly for the people who would actually want to wear it. And I think it's a small group of us.

16:08BubblemanI don't think we need to do a 10,000 hoodie batch by any means. But yeah, I think it'd be pretty cool to have a little hoodie or a t-shirt or something.

16:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think that would be pretty cool.

16:24BubblemanYeah, Katien, she was in London the day that the big crazy protest happened with all those people. And then she went to Amsterdam, which was cool because I was able to send her to all my favorite spots. And yeah, now she's in Munich and she's got a bunch more countries she's going to go visit too. So good for her. Have fun if you're watching Trinity.

16:52BubblemanAh, it's a wedding cake. I still got my Bubble Man five gallon bucket. Does that count as merch? Absolutely. It's got to. It's got to. Hash Church hoodie for the washroom. Yes, please. Yeah, exactly. That would be pretty good. Hash Church hat pins. Remember when people wore hat pins? That's something I haven't seen in a while. I probably have a bunch of them because at one point in time, people were sending me those.

17:18BubblemanYeah, there's a Karma Cup one. A little Karma Cup one. That's it, eh? We must have, like, put them all away. Because I remember having a lot of those pins. And I don't see any other than that one. Crazy. Oh, wait, wait. There's another one. Camino something.

17:42BubblemanThere it is. Zipper. Good morning, good morning.

17:48BubblemanYou have a hat pin on right now. Well, that tells us a lot about you, bingo. Totally joking.

17:56BubblemanI'm totally joking. Hash Church with one panelist, Bubble Man. Well, you know what? I got stories. I got stories. It would be great if my uncle came in. That would actually be pretty fucking cool.

18:16BubblemanOh, my garage never really worked out. Okay. So I have one rule. My wife has one rule that if I have a grow that I take care of it through and through and I just can't do it. I just always end up having to leave. I can take care of it. I leave. I come back. Thank you so much for joining us.

18:49BubblemanI currently have about six plants out on my deck. They do not look good. They probably look the worst out of all the plants I have on my deck. In their defense, I have not given them the same energy as I've given my plants that are my other plants, both in my house, which I have a lot, and outside of my house, which I have even more.

19:07BubblemanSo I've been taking the best kind of care that I can, but

19:12BubblemanOh, I haven't talked to Cuban in years, Isika. I doubt that he would come on. He was pretty upset. I kicked him out of chat years ago because he was being a bit of a bully. And I just kind of was like, put him in a timeout. And he got very, very upset about being put in. He said to someone, don't you know who I am? Which is the classic thing not to say.

19:34BubblemanNo matter where you are, yes, John, you absolutely have to feed them. I've been giving mine water and they're alive. They're blooming. I'll make hash out of them. We'll see if that hash is going to be as melty as I would like it to be. But with how much I travel around, especially with this new Canadian Quebec thing that I'm doing, I'm not really in a position to have a grow.

20:01BubblemanI will say also that the tents... All right. All right. All right.

20:35BubblemanTell us about your trip to Germany. Oh, three weeks, dude. Oh my God.

20:45BubblemanI told him to market it better, but he got mad. Now everyone copied him. Who's that, Dirty?

20:56BubblemanWho's SBN?

21:01BubblemanSBNV, Get Pinnacle Systems. I don't even know who SBN is. But apparently they don't like me and that's okay, you know, because I can see people not liking me. I can accept that. It happens. It's crazy, especially at events where you're trying to be so nice and you're trying to like be supportive. I just realized how red my chin is from shaving yesterday. Wow. It's not all full of blood.

21:28BubblemanSkunk Man Sam session story. Oh, my God. You know, the proudest I ever was smoking with Skunk Man Sam. We were in Jamaica. And at this point in time, Sam was at a point in his life where I didn't. Tell anyone I invented bubble. I said that I coined the term bubble hash. This is correct. This is not a lie. It doesn't mean that I invented bubble.

21:55BubblemanI myself have told the history of water extraction a thousand times. I play a part in it. I'm definitely a pioneer in popularizing it. But there were many, many, many people involved, including Acme, including Eldon, including Mila, including Reinhardt, including Neville, including Skunk Man Sam and Rob Clark and Including the Unknown American and probably many, many, many others. Yeah. Well, then show us the screen recording of it, Closet Grower, because what I say is that I coined the term bubble hash.

22:31BubblemanI don't say that I invented bubble. And if you have a screen recording of me saying that I invented bubble, I find that hard to believe. But if you do, I...

22:46BubblemanIt's not true. I did not invent bubble. I've been saying this for many, many, many years. And truly, oh, there you go. Bingo Lombardi created the bags before Eldon. Anyway. In fruitful Discord. Okay, well, post it in our Discord, Closet Grower. I can't tell if you're trying to stir the shit or what, but I'm, you know, I'm open to it. I definitely did not invent water extraction.

23:12BubblemanBubble bags, we, that was, yeah, I came up with the term bubble bags. I worked with Acme to manufacture the bags. He also manufactured the isolator bags, and he named the isolator bags, and Eldon invented the isolator bags, so... Yeah, I guess so, Joshua. It's just kind of crazy that people can't kind of get the story. It's really not hard to, oh yeah, stir in the hash water.

23:39BubblemanI like that. It's not that hard to figure out and understand. It's easy enough to sort of follow through. I mean, I get with stories, you can believe something that's not true accidentally, but it's... I sued, no, I didn't steal bubble bags. Wow, this guy's really got it wrong. At least I know how wrong he has. So Reinhardt and I ended up being quite well. So Reinhardt originally sued Mila and then Mila told Reinhardt, oh, listen, I'm barely selling any bags.

24:11BubblemanYou should go sue this kid in Canada. He's selling millions of dollars in bags. That's how Reinhart got on my radar, my radar, or he, yeah, how I got on his radar. Anyway, I did end up in a lawsuit with Reinhart, and this is how I found the true history, to be honest. Closet Growers. So if you would like to hear the true history, and I paid lawyers a lot of money to learn this history, it was called like it was a not disclosure, but it was basically the investigation that I did for the lawsuit.

24:42BubblemanAnd I will be honest, when Reinhart came at me, I didn't really know his part in all of this. It took me years and a lot of money to follow the story back to how water extraction happens. So How most people think it happened was that Mila just invented the bags and started selling them. That's how I myself was under the impression and I bought or traded or acquired Mila's bags very early on, probably in 98, the year she started selling them.

25:19BubblemanI had no idea about Mark Rose. I had no idea about Eldon. I had no idea about Reinhardt's machine. I had no idea about Skunk Man Sam's water extraction, Sadhu Sam's water extraction in the High Times Magazine in 1988. And I had no idea about Neville and the Unknown American. I managed to go through the whole history. So in 90, I must have met Mila in 95, maybe later.

25:53BubblemanDefinitely 97, 98. And

26:00BubblemanYes, exactly. Diana knows better than most that he suggested cold water instead of ice. This was a very important factor because Reinhardt's patent needed to, there's two ways to avoid, well, there's one major way to avoid a patent and that is if the patent has been previously published. But Sam and Rob didn't previously publish That information. What they did instead was they put an ad in High Time saying if you sent them 10 bucks, they would send you the instructions on how to make water hash.

26:35BubblemanSo then the argument became, is this previously published? Well, public people can acquire the information, but all we had was proof of the ad. We didn't have any letters with payment Thank you so much for joining us.

27:12BubblemanIE novelty is what they call it in the patent application process. If you have a high enough percentage of novelty, and I think it requires to be 20% different, you can get a patent on something that kind of already exists, but you've changed and made it better. And so this is where Reinhardt was coming in with the ice. Because using the ice was pretty important. Now he said with his ice extraction that it would be between 4 and 12 degrees Celsius or whatever it was in Fahrenheit.

27:46BubblemanAnd so that opened a little because you don't want to go too broad. You can't just go minus 80 to plus 80. Too broad also voids patents. So I ended up getting into this kind of thing and the lawyers, I had these crazy lawyers and I mean, listen, I was my business was doing super good. I worked super hard to build the business. And suddenly I felt like, wow, this guy's just trying to come take it away.

28:11BubblemanWho the fuck does he think he is? Well, as I spent my own money on lawyers and I went through the story, you know, first I learned through. ACME, happy 72nd birthday, ACME, that he told me this story. He's like, listen, and how I even met ACME was that he was trying to make bags for Mila. They were supposed to be partners. And he was suspicious that bags were being made outside of where he was, business that he wasn't getting.

28:39BubblemanAnd in fact, he was correct. And He ended up reaching out to me and that's how we linked up. He saw me online posting. And so I got, yes, exactly, Diana. Sam just wanted to spread information. He had his hands in everything in that sense. And Sam truly was one of the ultimate, you know, pioneers of all of these different things. Because had I not... You know, kind of been inspired.

29:05BubblemanWell, Sam was a big part of it. I never really spoke to Reinhardt about his influence from Sam or how he came up with it, which is kind of crazy that I never asked him that. But we became friends through the lawsuit. And once I had spent all this money on lawyers, I finally pushed the lawyers to the side and I started talking to Reinhardt. And Reinhardt also told me the story of going to Mila's apartment And setting up the machine at 97 at the Cannabis Cup and having her sign a little unit, a little NDA and say, okay, I'm going to show you this unit.

29:40BubblemanShe showed that unit, probably one of the first groups of people she showed that unit to was to Mark Rose and Eldon. They were sitting on her couch one day and they watched the process and Eldon nonchalantly says, two five-gallon shaped bags with screen bottoms in a five-gallon bucket and you've got the same thing. Mark Rose is sitting next to him. He's coming up with a cool name.

30:02BubblemanWow, we're isolating. We're isolating. It's the isolator. It's the isolator. He comes up with the name. He manufactures them. Eldon invents them. Mila sells them. So there it is. Those people all played an important role, as did Reinhardt. When I learned that Reinhardt's machine was how the bags got invented, I paid him six figures out of the lawsuit. We fired the lawyers and we finished it off and I paid him six figures.

30:34BubblemanAnd that is a fact. I was one of very few companies in the bag world that paid money. Jason from Payload paid, Lucy from Triple Extractor paid, no one else paid. Reinhardt, for all of you that are so upset That the bags, that the bubble bags ripped off the isolator bags, you should really look at the fact that the bags ripped off the Reinhardt machine. And that's what I paid for.

31:01BubblemanI paid him a fee indefinitely into the future and into the past, a number that he was happy with that saw him get paid. And You know, for 25 years, I've been taking scuff like in my own chat, people coming and telling me I stole shit and I ripped off. And it's like, yes, I absolutely played a part. In copying the isolator bags and making them better.

31:26BubblemanImagine the guitar gets invented. So no one's allowed to invent the electric guitar. She would have kept two bags indefinitely. She smoked hash with tobacco. I am a connoisseur of high-end hash. My pathway was just as important as hers and I didn't steal to get there. I have my integrity. I paid, um, He might have Diana, but not to me in person. And I spoke with all these people.

31:53BubblemanNow, I also spoke with Neville back some years ago, and I asked him about it as well. And he also told me that it was an unknown American from California, which is exactly what Sam told me, that had told him that resin was heavier and dense and sinks in water while everything else floats. That is what got Sam and Rob to do the Sadhu Sam's Water extraction, high times thing.

32:21BubblemanAnd you can just see that it's all about timing. It's all about timing. This is, listen, it's very important, no matter how much, listen, at one point in time, I did the wrong thing. There's no doubt about it. And I paid for that immensely. I paid for that immensely. And I think what I brought to the community was certainly not just about trying to make money from the community, but showing that this is my passion and I have a passion for the hash and anyone that's ever met me will tell you that.

32:48BubblemanAnd it's literally how I met Skunk Man Sam. I don't think he would have reached out to me had I not been the person that I have been. And you can ask Diana who's in the chat room right now. When Sam showed me that dry sift technique, I never showed a soul. I kept that to my chest because he asked me to. So I do have integrity.

33:13BubblemanAnd yeah, well, yeah, maybe. Yeah, it's very possible. I wasn't there. You definitely were. The stories that they both told me, though, that they talked to Neville in the mid 80s about it. And it was 1988 when they took the ad out in high times, like three or four years later. But. Yes, Delp did patent it. Delp had a patent. That was the bottom line. That's how this all came to be.

33:41BubblemanIf you want to do things correctly, you would not believe how many things in the world you're currently supporting that the person who's selling didn't invent. It's a guarantee. So Delp patented it. He was the one that protected it. And, you know, I'm really glad that it Thank you so much for joining us.

34:24BubblemanShow up in high times. Wouldn't that be cool if it answers us accurately, Diana? I could be mixing up my own. No, because mine was not. No. Oh, 87. 87. Sadhu Sam, also known as Skunk Man Sam, a pioneering California cannabis enthusiast, ran an advertisement in High Times Magazine in 1987 offering instructions for making cold water extracts at home. This ad introduced the ice water extraction method to a wider audience where trichome glands sink in cold water while plant debris floats, revolutionizing solventless hash production in the 80s underground scene.

35:02BubblemanDude, Sam is the man. I miss him. I really do. I miss. That's amazing, Diana. 1980. So there it is going back even further. I miss the stories and I miss hearing his voice and I miss Wade as well. Wade and Sam, you are both so greatly missed. Thank you. For making your mark on the world and leaving it with us because my goodness, you both touched me indefinitely forever.

35:34BubblemanI will never not be affected by having you both in my life and I feel blessed for it. I really do. Oh my goodness, you need to get Remo on and talk about the grow chamber that was wheeled into the courtroom. Oh, okay. Yeah, I do need to get Remo on. Maybe I've also been talking to Marbleslinger and he wants to come and do a kind of a one-on-one interview, but also do a curated glass church.

35:58BubblemanSo we'll see if we can make that happen here in the near future. So yeah, good little history on water extraction. I don't know if that, if he wanted to acknowledge that Yeah, I can only imagine how much stuff you have to go through there, Diana. My goodness, it's incredible. And my daughter was just in Amsterdam and had an amazing time, by the way. She was sending me some great pictures.

36:25BubblemanI sent her to all my favorite restaurants and, you know, coffee shops and whatnot. She went to some good museums and, yeah, just had a really good time. Yeah, I could get Remo. I mean, he's around. I don't know if I could get him like last minute. But you never know. You never know. Sometimes it can work out like that.

36:54BubblemanLet's see.

36:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere we go.

36:56BubblemanYou know what? I'm kind of enjoying this, though. I like the natural... You know, solo hash church. I mean, I'll welcome Colin for sure. But at the same time, it's been nice just talking to myself for the last 35 minutes, dude. I just told the whole water extraction history. I had someone come in and kind of like say that I said I invented bubble and say that I...

37:20BubblemanI don't know. It was just like that I went to some Reinhardt thing and stole. Yeah, I don't like when the history gets mixed because it's like, did I copy the isolator bags? 100%. 100%. No one's denying that. Did the isolator bags copy Reinhardt Delp's machine? 100%. Nobody's denying that. Does it go back before Reinhardt's machine? 100%. Absolutely it does. Did anyone else patent it? No. Yes, I was there too, James, many, many, many times.

37:53BubblemanBut I've been, listen, since day one.

37:56ColinYeah, in the YouTube, I can't see the conversation, but like, yeah, we gotta, all right, let's just, let's reel it back.

38:03BubblemanDid anyone else patent it?

38:05ColinLet's reel it back and let's talk for real.

38:07BubblemanYes, I was there too, James, many, many, many times.

38:10ColinIs that yours? I've been, listen. That's me, dude, sorry. I was, I had the lag from the YouTube. It was my fault, so. That's okay, brother. But look, James, whoever you are, let's talk about, let's talk real.

38:23BubblemanI was awesome. It wasn't James. James was the one that said he saw Mila stand up in front of a crowd in Amsterdam and say she invented the bags. So that we know is not true. What is true is that I did not say that I invented the bags. Although this guy says he has a video of me saying I did in some Discord.

38:42Etienne FontanI told him to post it in my Discord, but I didn't see it.

38:46BubblemanBut it is what it is. You know... I think I told the history pretty good. I've never tried to... Write my history in differently. You know, Mila played a hugely important part. I would never take that away from her. But so did I. I played an important part too. And it wasn't all about like ripping off Mila. In fact, I would say that the majority of my business that I've been doing has been with Mark Rose, who started his business with Mila.

39:16BubblemanSo it's kind of a very close family, the water extraction business. I mean, now we have all sorts of companies, right? You have all sorts of companies, including the Press Club that make these products and thank God for it. You know, you got to be able to shop with your dollars, support the companies that you want to and people that don't want to kind of focus or people that do want to focus on the division.

39:42BubblemanI mean, I sell bubble bags and every week I promote and read off the press club because they're a sponsor and promote Hash Church. Like, why would I say you guys can't sponsor Hash Church? You sell a product like me. It's like, yeah, they sell a great product. People love their products. Why wouldn't I want to collaborate with them? You know, we're doing the same things. So we've come a long way.

40:05BubblemanIt is a very strange things with bags, how people were like, There were these two sides that were so just like isolator, bubble bags. And all I was trying to do was make everything better. And then all they were trying to do was say, hey, this guy clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He needs eight bags to do what we're doing with two. I'll never forget that quote because that quote blew my mind.

40:26BubblemanThat quote made me feel like, oh my God, I'm actually doing important work here because, you know, and then Joe Petrie came out and wrote the skating article. That was before the Reinhardt Um, uh, lawsuit and how the Reinhardt lawsuit really happened was Joe Petrie started fanning the flames and writing those articles. And it was actually an honor because up until that point, only Sam was being called a CIA agent and a DEA agent and all these heinous lies.

40:54BubblemanBut in those articles, He called both me and Sam out. And in fact, I think one of his quotes was, and Bubble Man, a creation of Skunk Man Sam, which Sam and I laughed about for years afterwards. And you guys can hear Sam's sarcastic, dry humor saying, well, I created the Bubble Man. And we would laugh at that because it was just so ridiculous. And you can only imagine how amazing it is from the perspective of the people Who know the truth, how wild it is.

41:28BubblemanSome of the stories y'all come up with in this world. Cause it is, it kind of also makes you feel a little fearful of delusions. Cause people become like militant in their belief of like, this is what happened. I know it for a fact. And when I first met Diana over at Sam's, she started opening up slowly to me about some of the stories and, Just telling me things that only she could know.

41:53BubblemanAnd I was like, you know, and chuckling about how absolutely wrong they were getting it, you know, just absolutely beyond wrong, which is, you know, it is what it is. I always like Chimera. I always took great offense to it. More like of a protection, like I didn't like when people did that. But when Well, we got written about in the article. And after Marco Renda posted that article, Sam hired some girls to pie him in the face with plates full of whipped cream, which you can do in Europe without getting an assault charge.

42:30BubblemanI think if you throw like water or like wine or I think you can get in trouble for almost anything. But for whatever reason, if it's a plate full of whipped cream, you get there's I don't know if it's a pie law. I just remember him being very like, I'm doing this. And I believe Diana filmed it. And then I believe I filmed the back of her phone or camera, sorry, and posted that on Kik, which was a live streaming...

43:00BubblemanIt was a live streaming program, one of the first ones, QIK. And I remember that same year, if you're watching, Diana, I did a bunch of those live kicks. And I was sleeping that night at the Krasnopolsky Hotel. It was four in the morning. I had a big meeting the next day at 9am and my phone company called me and said, you have an outstanding phone bill of $6,143 and we're going to need a payment, otherwise it's going to have to get turned off.

43:33BubblemanAnd I said, what's the payment? And he was like 6,137. Like the payment was the exact amount of the phone bill. And they had let me roam. I didn't realize I was roaming on my home phone number while streaming live, dude.

43:53BubblemanIt was $6,000.

43:55ColinAnd then they'll hold you to that, right?

43:57BubblemanWell, I paid it. I paid it right there because I needed my phone. I was in Amsterdam and I had no other way of communicating with people. And so I paid it and then I came home and somehow some group found out about this. And you'll laugh at this, dude, because it's actually pretty fucking funny. It was a TV show and they were like, we heard you got this really bad cell phone bill.

44:20BubblemanHow much was it for? And I said, it was $6,000. And they said, oh, great. You can be our number two. And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, we have one guy whose kid was playing video games and buying coins and got his up to $25,000 in Mexico.

44:40BubblemanBut he said, but you're the second highest one. It went from 25,000 to 6,000 to like some other amount. And it was a show on most expensive cell phone bills in Canada. And so they sent me this email and I just copied and pasted it and sent it to Rogers. And I said, Look, I'm going to probably go on this TV show unless you guys want to figure this out.

45:06BubblemanAnd they gave me all that money back, 100% of it.

45:11ColinWow.

45:12BubblemanAnd then I didn't get to be on the show.

45:15ColinHey, man, at least you got it worked out, bro, you know, and you don't have to endure that cost. But yeah, dude, there's always going to be people with history that sort of mix things up. And I see this often specifically with with, you know, some of the things that you've been posting over the years. And I think people lose sight of what is real and what is kind of fabricated.

45:37ColinAnd I think that's where we have to, you know, you have to speak up like you are now. You have to say, look, I understand you have truth and you believe that X, Y, and Z happened, but there was a lot of things that you don't understand that weren't, you know, brought to light. So I think it's important, those that are listening, to understand that Marcus has put beyond time and time and time and time and time into this.

46:04ColinAnd It's as authentic as it's going to get. I mean, I'm just going to be real with everybody here. And I don't believe that coming in and bringing the negativity to a conversation like that is necessary. So just think about these things when you are told that, oh, he stole this from that because, guys, we're like 30 years into this.

46:27BubblemanIt did give me a nice opportunity to tell the story again. I will say that.

46:31ColinWe're 30 years in. Come on. I'll leave it there. Respect one another and we'll respect it too.

46:39BubblemanYeah. Hash Wars. It's true. It's just the way it is. It's just the way people are. I'm not trying to sweat it at all.

46:57BubblemanYou know, it's true. I feel where Colin's coming from in the sense of like, it is a weird thing, especially I'm in the room by myself. I'm now having to like, think about my own dialogue. In fact, fucking monologue that I'm going to have to do for however long. It's like, all right, Sunday morning, you know, I've been up for like 25 minutes. Let's do this. Let's just talk for 35 minutes.

47:17BubblemanAnd then I'm also, you know, you guys might not realize this, but Getting super baked, running a podcast and watching you guys chat and keeping an eye on everything that's said so I can get an idea of the vibe that's happening in the room. It's always weird when people post things, but you can't tell if they're passive aggressive or if it's like if it's dramatic or what it is.

47:40BubblemanAnd you don't want to, you know, kind of have the wrong, you know. Make the wrong judgment call and snap on someone, which I have done many, many times. Um, Oh, SBNV guy. All right. Well, geez, sorry, SBNV. If we, uh, hurt your feelings, got your panties in a twist, but, uh,

48:01BubblemanYeah, and Andrew says, it was good to hear the truth from you, Marcus, instead of someone else haphazardly spilling stuff on the internet. We all have our truths, and it is my truth, and I made sure that my truth was the court's truth. I made sure my truth came from the horse's mouth. All of the people that I mentioned, I spoke to personally, got it online. Like paper documented, right?

48:27BubblemanThis whole story cost me tens of thousands of dollars to write and find this history. And the history that I found cost me even more. So it's not like I was burying what I found, whatever I found, wherever I was led, you know, when I found out that the bags were made from Reinhardt's machine, regardless of how long it had existed before, I knew that for me, that's, I owed him, Money.

48:52BubblemanI needed to pay him money because, you know, we did a lot of bag sales and we wouldn't have had the bags if it wasn't for that machine.

49:00ColinNo doubt.

49:01BubblemanCash Wars, the bubble bag documentary. I like that. Who wants to do that?

49:06ColinI think we should do it. We should do a documentary on... Because, like, I was just thinking in my head as you were talking, I was like, you know, when we were doing Overgrow and it was all just that, I could really count the guys on my hands. Like, for real. In a real way. Like, yeah, there's people that had sets, but, like, those that really were in the hash, it was a real small crew.

49:32ColinAnd I just don't remember a lot of these names that are out there that say they were there. And that's okay. Because that's just my truth, right? And, you know, like, there's so many pockets is what I'm getting at, and you can't know it all.

49:47BubblemanWell, and there's value, as we know in the cannabis industry, right? Thank you so much for joining us.

50:14BubblemanHow it plays out. I know that I'm still doing what I've been doing for 28 years or whatever it's been so far. And I don't have any intention on stopping. You know, I love the idea of having my brand out there now in these different states and in Canada and I just love the idea of doing this pretty much for the rest of my life. It's my passion, right?

50:41BubblemanIt's what I'm kind of trying to teach my kids. You know, like sometimes if you don't know what your passion is, a really good way to find out what your passion is, which I've just been explaining to my eldest son, Is to work a bunch of shitty jobs. It's like, you know, don't don't think you're going to get the best job in the world. Go work some shitty jobs because those shitty jobs will direct you away from what you don't like.

51:04BubblemanAnd sometimes the only way to find what you do like is by being directed away from what you don't like. And so and what you don't like for whatever reason sometimes seems easier to find when you're young. So that's the advice I gave him.

51:22ColinI think that's such a great lesson because I know I learned that firsthand. I remember I was like 15. I was making sandwiches as a job. And dude, I just hated it. I was like, what am I doing? And then that same summer, I started growing cannabis. And then I had sold my first pound. And I was like, dude, what am I even doing over there? And it showed me just like you're saying, dude, what?

51:51ColinBecause you can spend the same amount of time doing pretty much anything. But what are you going to get out of that? Right? From your from a spiritual point of view and a universal point of view. So yeah, your point, it's about spending the time on the things that you are passionate about and finding those things. And it's sometimes it takes longer than others, you know, some are faster, some are slower, but As long as you work on it, because you're living proof of that, man, you know, and I also feel lucky enough to say that as well.

52:24ColinYou do what you love and, you know, it's always, it's something that takes a lot of time to focus on, but I think it's really important that those are out there that are like, I don't know what I want to do. Well, you're already doing it. You just have to figure out a way to monetize it. So, you know, so that's that's the kind of thing I think you're so right on about.

52:44ColinBut yeah, I mean, I was just building a greenhouse with my son. You know, I lost track of time. That's why I'm late. You know, I was just trying to like teach him about, you know, like, I don't want to do this, but they need this and these things need to go inside of this. And we just started, you know, just cranking bolts and it's like a bigger big Lego set, you know.

53:08BubblemanSo yeah, that's awesome, dude. I love that you're building a greenhouse. I'm jealous. I want to put a greenhouse behind my my place here really soon.

53:17ColinYeah, dude, I've been putting it off. I got it like months ago. And I just was like, I don't know.

53:22Dr Mark ScialdoneDo I want to set this thing? I was like, you know what?

53:25ColinIf I don't set it up, I'm going to be really mad I didn't.

53:29BubblemanRight.

53:30ColinSo I just wanted to start a super.

53:33BubblemanDude, I need a greenhouse just to propagate the plants that my property requires annually.

53:40ColinI bet, dude. I mean, you have such a unique environment up there. I mean, you know, it's you have a beautiful property. I mean, it's super cool. I'd love to see a greenhouse out back there, man. You know, me too. That would be sick.

53:58BubblemanI would be mucho happy with that. But you know what? I'm grateful to just have what I have. There's a lot of work back there. There's trees back there that are all kind of leaning off a cliff towards my house. And they're like 30 footers. They wouldn't, they would dent my eavesdrops at most because the tips are quite thin. But I guarantee you if I went and cut them, every one of them would hit my house.

54:21BubblemanAnd I'm not sure why that is. It's very hard to cut a tree that's, I mean, I've even taken my pole saw and like cut the branches that are facing my house because getting rid of that weight really like affects how the tree, but it's just got the slightest lean that even when I cut it the right way and I want it to fall the other way, it just eventually, I cut one and it hit my eavesdrop and dented it.

54:47ColinYou cut it on the angle it could slip down and just go you know yeah yeah but dude yeah no I'm I'm with you on that but uh but yeah you know it's it's um I've been growing I I this year I popped a bunch of stuff from counterculture that was a bunch of OZKB times Z crosses and Those that have grown counterculture stuff and it's kind of hard to get, but if you get it, it's the magic.

55:21ColinI mean, some really, really amazing hash making cultivars that I found throughout his lots. I mean, it's pretty impressive. Like every lot has some extreme gold in it. It's kind of awesome. It's really, really cool to see.

55:38BubblemanI like the sound of that.

55:40ColinYeah, usually you have to hunt like, I don't know, multiple packs to even find anything to even want to keep. So, it's pretty cool.

55:48BubblemanWell, I'm going to hit this rainbow marker.

55:52ColinOh yeah, I got to get my card cap. I'll be right back. I'm going to hit this, I have this really amazing sativa.

56:01BubblemanGet it. Get it, get it. Super mellow Sunday afternoon. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. It's been a little bit lazy. I got to get off my ass and curate these shows that I keep promising. So like I said, Jodi Emery will be on next week and we'll go in through her fair cannabis that she's doing. And I will have Slinger on as well, maybe next week or the week after.

56:33BubblemanSee how that goes.

56:35ColinThose that wanted the paper that I showed last week about using trichoderma, feel free to DM me or whatever. I did give it over to HeavyRx, Heavy Ice RX, and a couple other people. So if you're looking for it, let me know. It's definitely something everybody should be paying attention to. It should pretty much be a part of your IPM or your Scheduling at this point. All right, let's, uh, let's hit the puff cow.

57:37BubblemanOh, a little root shield.

57:43ColinWhat are you puffing on over there? So I got some, not the sour taffy. I've got some chocolate oranges, number 25 from 710 Labs left. This is like my last little bit left over from what they had given me when I went to Cali. And super good, like super good. I mentioned to them that this should be put into like a portable. It's made chocolate chip times Orange Valley OG, which is insane because it's just super terpene.

58:17ColinHas a little CBD in it, 1.59 milligrams, but really good water hash from, I mean, it's just, it's like oil. Yeah, it's just big clump.

58:33ColinNice. That's really, they're good guys. I like them. People are always surprised when I hit my puff coat without water.

58:45BubblemanI will say there are times that I want to hit it with water. There really are. I want that chug. I want that pull. But right now, after being like ripped off my actual rig, this is just nice flavors.

58:59BubblemanThat being said, my rig does have watering.

59:07BubblemanMan, I don't know how many puffs I am into this particular Peak Pro, but it has been flawless for me. And I travel with it a lot. I always find that the travel aspect of these pipes being electronics, it really like if they're not built properly, and I think Puffco had to learn that, you know, by just The R&D and the, it's such a hard, it's such a likely piece of electronics that the user themselves will break.

59:39BubblemanAnd it's kind of an integrity thing because, you know, they drop it and then they don't want to say anything. And it's like, then they forget about it. And then they're like, oh, it's weird. It's not working anymore. Piece of shit, fucking bad company. They're not, it's like, I can only imagine, guaranteed there's a percentage of these things from the factory that there's going to be a percentage that the battery fails, the whatever, there's an electronic failure.

59:59BubblemanI bet you it's a fraction of the personal error that people do.

1:00:13ColinI've beaten the thing down. I took the thing everywhere. I used it at Legends instead of bringing my rig. I mean, I said that. I remember getting the XL in the mail the night before I was flying out. Oh, nice. I was like, let me just try this thing. I'm interested before bed. And I was like, yo, this thing's hitting. And then I got into the temperature settings and I was like, damn, this is like...

1:00:39ColinI'm like looking at my Pelican case and I'm like, uh, it's went out with the Puffco and I'm happy I did. It was really helpful. And I just used a little battery bank to keep me charged and it was really nice. It was, it was really good. I mean, I, I'm not had a good luck with really any other brand, to be honest. Um, I'll be real.

1:00:59ColinLike I've tried like yourself, probably everything out there and not going to name names, but It's either actually had a real flaw or like the technology didn't work right or the atomizer didn't fire off or something. That was a big one for me on another device.

1:01:17ColinYou know, with Puffco, I didn't really experience that until I personally overuse the device and just there's probably so much reclaim in there right now. That it's probably, it's why it doesn't work right. And I think over time, I don't know what you can really do about something like that because it's in oil, but they are flawless machines. Like, yeah, I'm even having problems with the proxy, but like I reached out to them and they're just like, yeah, send it in, you know, like super easy.

1:01:48ColinYou know, I like that, but I do like my rigs, but you know, it's, it's definitely more convenient for me to have An electronic rig that I can just kind of like port around, you know.

1:02:04BubblemanIt has its place. They all have their place. I'm... I'm quite happy that the world of dabbing has been I mean, listen, it was 15 years ago, you'd have been hitting the full melt off the cigarette lighter in the car like there was, you know, or carrying pelican cases with blowtorches and like all of this shit. It just got so ridiculous. That it's actually like, it's too bad our industry isn't bigger because I would love to see the South Park rip on our culture.

1:02:39BubblemanBut we're such a minority niche. We're so tiny that we're not even almost really, you know, worth it. But man, would it be good, dude? They would do such a good rip on our entire scene. Especially like... You know, I just love to see them rip on legends, like rip on a legends of hash. Like who the fuck are these guys?

1:03:03ColinNo, a hundred percent. But I mean, I feel like that's, that's what, uh, South Park did a little of that with, uh, with Tegrity. They just didn't go all the way, you know, they've been, uh, they've been doing that, but, but yeah.

1:03:19BubblemanThey got Tegrity, Colin. They got Tegrity.

1:03:21ColinWe got Tegrity, but those guys also invest in cannabis brands. Like they're invested in a retail store in New York City. Right. You know, they're like, they are in the in the space.

1:03:33BubblemanOh, I suspect they're in many, many spaces.

1:03:36ColinYeah, for sure. But yeah, I mean, one thing I think, you know, The industry needs is like, is more, less competitions and more events that are celebrating the plant itself. I think we've really centered this thing around like, let's get together for a competition. And I think Legends is like a really, really amazing example of how that can work in tangent with one another. But it seems like it's most other events don't, because you had this like food of, you know, food and There's more than just, you know, just a contest.

1:04:19ColinSo I really think I'd love to see more more experiential stuff for music and art. And yeah, like, let's bring cannabis into it. But like, let's go have other things to do. You know, like, I think that's where I'd love to see another Legends come back. You know?

1:04:39BubblemanYeah, absolutely. Trust me. If there's another Legends, it'll be to celebrate Sam.

1:04:45ColinYeah, you should definitely do one.

1:04:51ColinMark.

1:04:52Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's up, Mark? Hey, guys. How are you? Good, man.

1:04:57BubblemanOh, are you out on the deck?

1:04:58Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Is this the 4th of July? No. It's definitely September, you know? Jesus. Here in Vermont, you can see here the Champlain Valley leaves haven't really turned. But up on the mountains, oh my God, it's like peak foliage. Not quite peak, maybe. Maybe a week before peak.

1:05:24BubblemanWhat's going on, buddy?

1:05:28Dr Mark ScialdoneDoing well. Hold on, I'm not here with the animals here.

1:05:32BubblemanOh, yes, the animals. The animals. And the cat you just got out. Cats and dogs, cats and dogs. It's good to have cats and dogs. They're both such different vibes. And it's funny how you see a lot of people are like, I'm a dog person. I'm a cat person. I'm like, really? I'm both. I want them both in the house. And I want to see them interact.

1:05:53BubblemanAnd I want to watch the cat dominate the dog.

1:06:00ColinIt's the best. It's the truth.

1:06:02BubblemanIt's so funny. It's so funny, dude. Dogs are amazing creatures, man. They know. They're just like, listen. They learn it. It's like, what do they call it? Like internal genetic memory. They're like, don't fuck with cats. Don't like fuck with cats.

1:06:20Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

1:06:22ColinNo, definitely don't.

1:06:25Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's going on in the world, guys?

1:06:28ColinWe're just kind of just shooting the shit, blowing around. But I had a question for you. Yes. In terms of extraction methods with solvents and, you know, in lipids, like, okay, so when we extract with ice and water, we bring the whole train, like everything comes, right? And with a solvent-based extraction, you have a selective process, right? You're selecting certain things that come and refining those out that, you know, you find undesirable, right?

1:07:09ColinIs there any point where in a solvent-based extraction where you would want to keep any of the fats?

1:07:17Dr Mark ScialdoneFor making a dab-able product?

1:07:20ColinFor just any, yeah. Like let's say dab-able or even vape-able.

1:07:25Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, fats don't vaporize cleanly like terps and cannabinoids, right? And so they thermally decompose, right? So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, why would you want fats in something that you're putting on a nail? No, it's just going to create crud on the nail. And yeah, I mean, it's just, if you want something that's going to be completely... Thank you for watching.

1:08:12Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that's like, it happens for fats at different temperatures. That's called the smoke point of the fat. And it really depends on how much unsaturation there is. There's quite a bit of unsaturated fats in cannabis extract. So those things will start thermally decomposing. And yeah, that'll give you just noxious chemicals in your, you know, vape, which is not good, right? Unless you're looking for that. For edibles, I mean, certainly.

1:08:46Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, like, Marcus, did we cover this on Hash Church? I can't remember if we did. I mean, there was a new set of compounds that were isolated from leaves. Did we talk about that? I don't think so. I don't think we have. Yeah, so I think I covered this on Hotline. News and, you know, excuse me for having a senior moment, you know, being on the internet talking about it.

1:09:12Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, so there's this paper that came out maybe about two or three weeks ago that isolated new compounds, a new class of compounds called flavalkaloids. So they look like flavonoids, but because they have a nitrogen in them, they become, you know, part of the broad class of compounds that we call alkaloids right like nitrogen containing compounds like what's in mescaline and cocaine and things like that those are typically termed Alkaloids, right?

1:09:46Dr Mark ScialdoneAlkaloids have a nitrogen in them. So what they found, Colin, it was really cool too, because I learned a whole lot by reading the paper, is they use this hydrophilic interactive chromatography, which is changing the polarity of your support to basically be more attractive for the hydrophilic as opposed to the hydrophobic. And so what they did is they took extracts of leaves. So they probably had trichomes to some extent, but this is mostly like what you would get out of juicing whole cannabis flower or leaves.

1:10:24Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd what they found again, just in very trace amounts. So this is, you know, Uh, something that they really know of in terms of like how much of the materials, but they identified these, these flavonoid kind of molecules that had a nitrogen in them. So they're kind of like new class of what they call flavo alkaloids. And they further demonstrated that they're, they're active. I think it was against some cancer cell line.

1:10:53Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm not sure. I'd have to go back and look at the paper. But, you know, there's, again, a benefit of juicing whole cannabis or consuming raw cannabis because you're going to get that if you. So these obviously these kinds of compounds are going to thermally degrade. So when you smoke flour, it's not like you're getting a dose of these compounds because they'll thermally degrade into some other shit.

1:11:18Dr Mark ScialdoneBut ultimately, if you're juicing cannabis and this, again, speaks to the. aspect that cannabis is a nutraceutical because it provides these compounds that are nutritious that can you know maybe prophylactically in a way kind of keep your body free of cancer the other thing i'll say just you know thinking about this is that man i mean like they tried to regulate cannabis through the dietary supplement mechanism that the food and drug administration has right so the folks Like Marcel Von Miller and those other folks basically generated enough clinical data to show the efficacy of CBD.

1:12:03Dr Mark ScialdoneI forget exactly what they're looking at. Probably epilepsy, I would assume. And it brought this to the FDA and said, okay, this is how you have to regulate cannabis. It's not a single active ingredient. There's multiple. Active ingredients and not the same preparations are going to be uniformly effective in certain patients. You've got to kind of like fish around for that right strain or that right ratio or whatever.

1:12:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, and the FDA turned it down because, again, you got to remember that there's this revolving door between FDA and big pharmaceuticals that the the government agency that's in place to basically regulate this industry. Is populated with people who used to work in that same industry. So no change in in regulation means that, you know, again, they could they could have listed cannabis as a nutritional supplement.

1:12:58Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd, you know, if you ever watch TV these days, you see this commercial for Prevagen, which is this supposedly this product that the active ingredient is this aquaporin protein which they isolate from jellyfish, right? They put it into a capsule and they could advertise it and it's making hundreds of millions of dollars for this company called Quincy Pharmaceuticals without any FDA Thank you for watching. See you next time.

1:13:47Dr Mark Scialdonelike the way that this drug Prevagen would be ingested it would go into your gut right your amino acids or the the acidic environment inside your gut would digest the protein into amino acids and it never gets to the brain like the commercial says it does even though they have a nice Graphic that shows neurons firing in three dimensions. So this stuff must work. It's like a, you know, a multimillion dollar, you know, placebo pill.

1:14:19Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd it sells as again in that wild west called nutritional supplements. So so the FDA allows that kind of crap. But, you know, we have this long history of showing cannabis effective in treating all kinds of medical conditions. And no, that's that's schedule one. There's no accepted medical value, you know, for cannabis when the government's own patent showed it to be neuroprotective. Right. And collected licensing revenue by, you know, selling that patent to a small company in Doylestown, Pennsylvania.

1:14:54Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, yeah, I mean, the hypocrisy is super thick and and everyone's like holding out to see who the farm bill or the farm bill they want to raise. From 0.3 to 1%, like that's going to do anything. You know, ultimately, they need to completely de-schedule and not reschedule the plant because, you know, rescheduling it to three is just a nightmare for so many different reasons that we've already talked about.

1:15:22Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I mean, anyway, sorry to get on that rant.

1:15:28ColinNo, I mean, just to bring the question full circle, the reason I ask is like, you know, there's always a debate of, you know, solventless carries all these fats and lipids and all this stuff. You know, like I make vape cards, you know, with solventless material and it tastes... Yeah, you don't want fats in that.

1:15:44Dr Mark ScialdoneYou'd like to have that completely... Things that will vaporize down to the last drop, just like what you put on the nail. And so, yeah, so cannabinoids, terpenes, maybe trace flavonoids. Remember that the flavonoids that sometimes come along for the ride, when they exist in the plant, there's two portions to that molecule. There's the aglycone, which is what we call the flavonoid, right? So like those don't have a sugar on it, but in the plant, right?

1:16:16Dr Mark ScialdoneLike the anthocyanins, there's kind of like a phenolic portion, which is the egg glycone, but then there's a sugar portion, right? And so those things, yeah, in either extraction or distillation will fall apart. So what we just get is the egg glycone. But yeah, I mean, you don't want any fats, waxes, or lipids in that because not only will it create off-taste, but it'll leave residue back in the nail.

1:16:43Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, it's not good.

1:16:45ColinYeah, I just, you know, when, when we make hash, you know, respectfully, there's, you know, in those, those waxy glands, there's things that are, you know, brought over. And I see certain varietals work better in a vape form than others in the center of those.

1:17:07Dr Mark Scialdoneoils that are created from those varietals right and that typically dictates the way that they can flow into an atomizer which is i find very interesting so well they build viscosity again like as you start to volatilize right the more the more volatile components are gonna you know the viscosity is gonna change inside the tank right I mean, it's got to, right?

1:17:32ColinYeah, for sure. The viscosity definitely does that. But, but I've also seen like certain decarbrates, you know, also affect how it can and can't work with an atomizer, right? So if you're not taking something far enough or trying to make a more thick Aaron Wiggins,

1:18:14ColinIt's like kind of a long-term, you know, study that I've been kind of working on is like decarb rates with different specific varietals and what micron ranges those are and how that affects the post-process.

1:18:31Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, the one thing you always have to remember is that like the decarb process is actually... Is actually accelerated when you concentrate. So like, I think that might be a phenomenon of the fact that the rate determining step in decarboxylation of the cannabinoid acids is the protonation of the aromatic ring, right? Which is an electron rich aromatic ring. And once that's deprotonated, that carboxyl group becomes a very labile leaving group.

1:19:06Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd it becomes, I think you could actually Thank you for joining us.

1:19:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYou actually see, I like 100 C. You could see, in fact, Colin, one thing I remember, this is kind of interesting. When we were doing hemp extractions, CBDA is a whole lot more prone to decarboxylation than THCA. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, 100%. I remember seeing hemp extract after ethanol recovery fizz like a Coca-Cola because when you concentrated that, there's something that basically promoted the decarboxylation of the CBDA.

1:20:13Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, it was literally fizzing like a Coke. Like you could see the CO2 bubbles.

1:20:18ColinYou see that in solveness too. You know, you see the CO2 fizz and if you've ever pulled a jar, we've tried it just to see what's up, like, you know, and you open it up, it'll fizz like soda, right? Yeah. And yeah, so I totally know what you mean, you know what I mean? And that's, that's, it's really interesting, but yeah. Yeah, see, you're right. At low temperatures, you can decarboxylate over time, right?

1:20:47ColinIt's just that point thing, right?

1:20:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then, I don't know if it's related, but when I think about that image, I always think about Dr. Dan Hayden. You guys all know Dr. Dan? He's one of the extractioneering dudes. I don't know if you know that guy.

1:21:04ColinNo.

1:21:05Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, he doesn't get a whole lot of love sometimes. I know he likes stirring up the shit. Super smart guy, part of the original Nectars crew. He actually adds CO2 in his carboxy... He's the guy who adds CO2 into his extracts. If you think about it, that's a totally... Um, classical chemistry move called Le Chatelier principle, right? So Le Chatelier principle says that you could pressure an equilibrium by basically putting one of the components on the equilibrium, which then pushes the reaction the other way.

1:21:43Dr Mark ScialdoneSo if you're supplementing CO2 into your extraction, right, you're kind of like pushing the decarboxylation method in the reverse, in the reverse way.

1:21:54ColinYeah, that's why it worked in solventless is because it produces, it self-generates CO2. You know, it really does, like inside a vessel. And it builds pressure, like 5 to 15 pounds is what I've seen, depending on the type of jar. You know, I've taken measurements of it. It's kind of amazing, you know, how it's this like self... These like little self extractors, you know, doing these. Right.

1:22:24ColinYou know what I mean? In a jar, you know, in a jar, so to speak. So.

1:22:27Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it's not super critical CO2, right? So it doesn't have the same type of, you know, it's super critical. You have to put under tremendous pressure and heat to get the properties. But I think what's happening somehow is, again, you're fucking with the pH because you're adding CO2. Thank you for joining us.

1:23:01Dr Mark ScialdoneIn the other direction. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going on there. It's kind of cool to think about.

1:23:06ColinYeah, no, it's, it's kind of, you know, it's backwards to what you're taught in a lot of ways, right? You know what I mean? So it's, it's kind of why it took, I think it took everybody so long to figure out how to do this well, you know, on the solid, on the solid side.

1:23:20Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Dan likes stirring up the shit storm, so I can see. But he's got, he's got some video images, I think, that shows kind of like, The bubbliness coming out of like a really heady oil and it just looks so pretty and so cool, almost like a sparkling champagne. It might just all be marketing bullshit, you know, but it might be doing something interesting. Who knows? Yeah, you never know.

1:23:46BubblemanWell, Caleb just shared an article. Is that about the carbonation of oil?

1:23:55Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's him. Extractioneering. That's the dude. Okay, okay, so there it is, right there. Yeah, so he's from the old Holy Water gang, you know? Oh, right. Holy Water, you know, Eric and Noel, and yeah, Dr. Dan was in that crew. Pinsky had introduced me to those guys early on. Yeah, look at this stuff. Like, what's with this, you know? Is there something to that?

1:24:28ColinI mean, that just looks like natural, you know, expression of like it's self-generating its own carbonate, like CO2, basically, you know?

1:24:41Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, what does he say there about this version?

1:24:43ColinThat must still be hot, though. Like, that has to be warm oil for it to be doing that like that.

1:24:50BubblemanWell, did you see the way it poured?

1:24:51ColinYeah.

1:24:51BubblemanIt didn't pour like it was cold oil, I'll tell you that much. It didn't even drip, you guys. Like, holy shit. That shit was probably like fucking hot. You think so? Yeah, I would say I'm almost at the I know so point, but I can't possibly know. But the way it poured, dude, are you kidding me?

1:25:12ColinThat has to be the way that I've never seen cool oil ever in my entire life. Oh, shit. That's awesome. Yeah, but that's cool, bro. That's cool.

1:25:25BubblemanWelcome to Etienne and Caleb for popping in on us this Sunday morning. Nice to see both of you.

1:25:32Etienne FontanWelcome. Well, people seem to forget that just a decade ago, we were still using Wix and PEG and all these other things. So people forget that, you know, vaping carts and all of this are still very fucking new. You know, those who are using them, they're used to going to their gas station and getting these sort of things, right? They're literally everywhere USA, you know, now, but people don't realize.

1:25:56Etienne FontanThese steps and technologies that it took for us to get there to finally remove the peg and using the actual extracted terps to actually reinsert back to make it viscous. That's not even a decade old, people. You know what I'm saying? I mean... Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:26:35Etienne FontanRight, so, right, oh no, and lots of it, right? So, you know, it's fascinating how, you know, I hear people bitching, complain about this, but, you know, how few people are actually contributing to the advancement of the sciences getting smaller and smaller because we're really starting to target these, you know, Products, product lines, because we've had now a decade to play with them and to understand them.

1:26:57Etienne FontanBut at the same time, you know, it's still a new process. And with these chemicals and volatilizing them and burning them off also comes with a whole other set of problems and, you know, issues that we didn't even consider a decade ago that are now, of course, the forefront of the realities that you're dealing with. Right, Dr. Sheldon?

1:27:17Dr Mark ScialdoneAbsolutely. No, I mean, like the point you bring up around Wix and And Peg and, you know, all that stuff. I mean, now labs are testing for that, making sure there's no vitamin E acetate. As it turns out, a lot of that shit, ATN was like, it was just from unsworthy players who were just cutting their distillate, you know, because guess what? Now you could turn three liters of distillate into 10 liters of distillate by adding a bunch of shit to it, right?

1:27:49Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd yeah, I mean, The market, I guess, has... Hey, time out.

1:27:55BubblemanCould you give us the recipe on that adding the shit? I'm going to need ratios. I'm going to need, you know, the names of the shit that I put in.

1:28:04Etienne FontanNot that I would ever do that. And can you get me the number of that cart company in China? I really need about 200,000 of those. It'd be great. Thanks.

1:28:13ColinThis is de-carved material. You know, this jar was full. And like, you know, it's...

1:28:22ColinIt's interesting because like, you know, finding the right temperature setting and the right cartridge to work with these types of extracts is still a journey. Like I'm still like calling everybody, trying all kinds of stuff, you know, because those that I was even thought was really good at one point, I've gone back to trying their units and I'm like, halfway through the cart, it stops saturating, right, Mark?

1:28:47ColinBecause maybe the, you know, Whatever, you know, you can't insert here whatever problem. But it's, you know, it's an issue because I feel like it's as if we're all musicians, like working in these like really amazing studios with all this amazing audio file. And then all of a sudden, like they're listeners listening to it on like the worst earbuds, you know, and not even listen to like all the work that you put into it.

1:29:12ColinYou know, it tastes like burnt whatever because that's just the more convenient, you know. So it's tough, you know, and I wish we could give this because some of these cards taste true to form. Like I've gotten like notes of haze and blueberry and really delicious experiences, but it doesn't last all the way through the actual cart.

1:29:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, you're not going to trace or taste the trace heavy metals that you might be breathing in along with that. So all that stuff that's manufactured over in China, just using their supply chains where they're recycling electronics in walks that are used to make the family's dinner later that night is just, you know, it's a dirty supply chain. There's nothing you could do about it. I don't know.

1:30:05Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, it I take my hat off to those companies, again, like Puffco and everything, who have to live or die based on a supply chain where they can't always control the homogeneity. So just anything shiny metal. And ceramics is not the... Dude, ceramics can be dirty too. Ceramics could be super dirty. So ceramics, if you understand the structure of ceramics, are porous materials and could absorb all kinds of shit.

1:30:35Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd are made in furnaces at huge fucking temperatures. So there's all kinds of shit that can go wrong in those supply chains. But like anything shiny metal. So if you just look at like the brass ring that's around the outside of the cartridge or anything metal in the cartridge stands to have contamination of lead, cadmium, mercury, arsenic. You know, and again, you could always have a really great relationship with a supply chain partner that says, oh, we have a guy on the ground in Shanghai and we're doing this and we're doing that.

1:31:12Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd you try to make sure that you de-risk that opportunity as much as you possibly can. But at the end of the day, what they send you a COA on and what you get from the back of the warehouse when you actually order, Thank you for joining us.

1:31:55Dr Mark ScialdoneSupply chain difficult, if not just impossible to possibly de-risk.

1:32:02BubblemanWell, don't forget the original pressure, the pressure of people blowing up because that was a whole thing that was happening for a while.

1:32:10ColinYep.

1:32:10Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Smoking on a cartridge? They were blowing up? Yeah, the batteries.

1:32:14BubblemanNo, making, yeah, well, the batteries, but no, I was talking about the process of making the oil, like people trying to make their own oil were blowing up from, well, from every process. People blew up with like, I've seen people do it with bloody alcohol.

1:32:31ColinYeah.

1:32:32BubblemanYeah. Set themselves on fire.

1:32:36ColinYeah, no, no, no. Yeah, but I mean, look, like, Mark, this was, like, amazing, and then it just, now it just doesn't even work.

1:32:44BubblemanYeah, you can't even put those batteries in a plane for that very reason, Mark, that they explode. Instead of tires.

1:32:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can't have them in your luggage, right?

1:32:54BubblemanYeah, you got to have them on your carry-on bag. They're popping and fizzing. It's not like they're going to blow up a plane.

1:33:01Dr Mark ScialdoneMarcus, you know, I was thinking about that because I flew with my Puffco and I didn't realize until I was sitting in the plane. I'm like, oh shit, my Puffco's got a battery on the inside of it and it's down in my luggage.

1:33:15BubblemanYou're lucky they didn't go through it. What's it called for you guys? TSA?

1:33:19Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, TSA. I can fly with it.

1:33:23BubblemanYeah, you can fly with it, but just not in your luggage. You got to have it in your carry-on bag.

1:33:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so you can take your Puffco battery out of your luggage. And bring it on your carry on. Is that what you normally do? Dude, you should see my carry on, bro.

1:33:37BubblemanMy carry on is so ridiculous. They're just like, what is all this? I'm like, these are all my hash smoking devices. And they're just looking at me like, what the fuck?

1:33:44Dr Mark ScialdoneI have an electric beard trimmer, right? And my electric beard trimmer, which is a real beard trimmer, right? It plugs into the wall and I could certainly like charge up my beard trimmer and now have like a charge on. So that's got a battery in it. Um, I have other things that have batteries on it that are in my luggage, you know?

1:34:03BubblemanYeah, they're very specific types of batteries.

1:34:06Etienne FontanLithium ion is what they're looking for specifically. And there's different types of manufacturing. But remember, people, all these carts and batteries are only coming from Count them, count them, ladies and gentlemen, all of two factories in China, okay? So, and they're not necessarily the best regulated, so nothing against, I mean, they make great products. However, we've also seen, you know, a lot of bad products. You go look at...

1:34:32Etienne FontanJust humans. Go look at children's toys out of China. I'm not trying to slag on China. I'm just talking about the manufacturing processes. And what have they found? Oh, they found toys that have mercury and lead in their actual paints and stuff because there's nobody overseeing or regulating. They're just like, I need the product in and out. The regulating processes for manufacture are and have not been safe or human tested.

1:34:59Etienne FontanWe've decided to try this on humans. You've decided to be the guinea pig, just so you know.

1:35:06BubblemanWhich is the case for our cell phones and all the other electromagnetic frequencies we live within and so many other, the food we eat, the fucking pipes that bring water into our house. It's, dude, we are in some crazy ass experiment. There's no doubt about it. Every once in a while, I think, I even said it earlier, Dr. Mark, when we're like, we've got to get all the fats and lipids out of the oil.

1:35:30BubblemanThis shit is dangerous as we're just hogging Honking on big fat doobies wrapped in paper and glue as we're like, you know, consuming toxic food. Like we just, fuck it's, I do appreciate cannabis for leading me in this direction of obsession that makes me want to obsess the same way about other aspects of my life, like my diet, my health, how often I'm working out or being active, all of these things.

1:35:58BubblemanLike I kind of just want a full melt experience for all of them. And it was hash and cannabis that taught me that. So thank you, hash.

1:36:11BubblemanThank you, hash.

1:36:15BubblemanYeah, let's have a puff. Let's just do it up here. I'm going to have a little rip out of the ripper, the sipper, sorry, not the ripper.

1:36:29Etienne FontanWhat's everybody sipping on?

1:36:32BubblemanI am going to sip on some, I've hit the Romulan. Oh, how about this? This is always a favorite. Some champagne.

1:36:43Etienne FontanChampagne, that's a Canadian genetic that came out of the BC region. It's one of those, when I was telling somebody the old school when I worked with Ed, it was one of those genetics that I got in the original clone exchange back when I had to be You know, you go to an undisclosed location. Here's the blindfold. Wait, first, here's, yeah, here's the blindfold. And then the hood's put over your head.

1:37:06Etienne FontanThen you're put into a vehicle. And then you're driven to an undisclosed location. You're led out, blindfolded, into a facility while holding your clones. And then you're allowed to take it and exchanging clones. And Champagne and Pineapple were the two locations. That I got and I love them both. But unfortunately, pineapple grew so dense here in the Bay Area that there was no transpiration of oxygen inside the buds and they completely cored with mold.

1:37:36Etienne FontanAnd then champagne worked for a couple of years here. And then white pottery mildew just fucking took it completely out of the run. Decimated it. It just decimated it as a genetic, at least here in California and the West Coast.

1:37:50BubblemanI mean, it needed to be grown a very specific way.

1:37:53Etienne FontanVery dry, very. But when it's done perfectly off.

1:37:58BubblemanListen, it was I saw a lot of champagne and I'll tell you that plant Was very protected for a lot of years. Like there's a reason why people didn't actively, openly give that plant away. If you just went online and bragged that you had that plant and started showing pictures, you could get a visit from someone saying, hey, where'd you get that plant? Because it really was that protected for a long time.

1:38:21BubblemanMy friend, when Gypsy Nirvana first came to Vancouver in like 2000, he stayed at my house just down the street. I was living on the water at the time. And... We went to the Sunshine Coast and visited a friend of mine who had a beautiful 10 lighter of that champagne. And he was getting like, back then it was like 24 pounds or something from these 10 lights.

1:38:44BubblemanThese buds, lower buds were like as big as Gypsy's head leaning into the room. Like he had never seen anything like it. He was like, holy shit, dude. And we posted that all over Overgrow and IC Mag, and I think we made some videos even. But yeah, it was an incredible cultivar because it was the first cultivar that I'd ever seen that grew these giant football-sized buds that when you trimmed them and dried it off, they were just like...

1:39:10BubblemanLike the perfect Los Angeles cannabis flower. We joked about it up here because we were like, it's got fake eyelashes and fake boobs and a fake bum and a fake, like it was just like, it was like the quintessentially like, here you go, look at this. This is what we called trips. Like before the silly word quad existed, it only went as high as three. They were trips.

1:39:34BubblemanThey were triple A's. And they were like, there was always a lineup of people who would pay cash for them. And the rest of the flower in the city, there was a long lineup of people cuffing that flower out. And that was really the difference, you know, the champagne, the true champagne, which was really just the highest caliber, the best grown hash plant. That's what the champagne was.

1:40:02BubblemanIt was like they called it the champagne hash plant because it was grown when it was grown so well. And also the bubble hash from it. Holy shit. It was probably the first time I saw like white hash. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:40:36BubblemanClear and extremely strong. And not sativa strong, indica strong. So indica strong that it was the one indica cultivar I did see give people anxiety attacks as often as like the crush and some of the other narrow leaf drug cultivars that we had back then. It was unique in that sense. But yeah, shit, I guess after that whole story, I better puff some.

1:41:07Dr Mark ScialdoneSo was that people who smoked hash or was it people who smoked the flower that it would happen to?

1:41:13BubblemanIt was the hash. The hash, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure the odd person had an anxiety attack from the flower. It was very strong. And if you were rolling the same size joint all the time, every person said the same thing. They were like, oh, I just rolled my normal joint. And I got like halfway through it and was like, Jesus Christ. It was very, very nice cannabis.

1:41:35Etienne FontanAll right, here we go. Yeah, but the resin, the resin was extremely strong.

1:41:44BubblemanDragonfly Earth Medicine's in the chat, but they're not hanging out with us.

1:41:48SpeakerI don't know. Not sure what's going on there. What are you puffing on, Caleb?

1:41:57SpeakerSome Amorello that I got in Hay Fork.

1:42:01BubblemanFuck yeah, dude. I always want to know what Caleb's puffing on.

1:42:07Etienne FontanIt's always worth puffing on. Anytime you see Caleb, I will exchange. I'm like, here's my latest mix. He's like, oh, check this out. Yes. Yeah. Caleb always has excellent stash worthy of imbibing.

1:42:22BubblemanMan, I want to have 90 micron pearl bubble hash. Oh, that would be so good.

1:42:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat was that that you smoked with me, Caleb, when we met?

1:42:42SpeakerThe Vietnamese land race, Red River Valley Vietnamese land race from First Cut Farms.

1:42:52Etienne FontanThat shit's fire always.

1:42:55Dr Mark ScialdoneWe destroyed ourselves outside of a conference. Which conference? Was that the BizCon?

1:43:04SpeakerIt was the BizCon.

1:43:05Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was the BizCon. And who was with us?

1:43:11Dr Mark ScialdoneWas Murphy Murray and Twinkle?

1:43:15SpeakerI forget now. We got too high. I was just a hash church watching fanboy coming up to Dr. Mark like happens at every event.

1:43:24Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, who's a fanboy of who? What are you kidding me? You know?

1:43:33Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, that was, that was great. Yeah. Murph gave a talk, you know, she gives a really, she gives a good, impressive talk. I mean, she's got data, she's got all kinds of like little videos in there and stuff like that. And, you know, he's got, you know, a good discussion around safety. And we were talking about that earlier, Mark, like fires and everything and, you know, how to prevent, Thank you so much.

1:44:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, if you put the similar investment, similar size rooms and equipment and teams, you know, you could just extract day and night. You're limited by solvent recovery and how quick you can get stuff through the ovens or, you know, whatever you use in the recovery.

1:44:44BubblemanWhich do you think that's why the price point on those products fell so dramatically?

1:44:50Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, most certainly, you know, extraction methods and machines and throughput have gotten a whole lot more optimized, you know, and, um, Where was I going? It's fucking high. I'm trying to remember. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's just it's so good to see so many companies, you know, it's because of the market, Marcus. It's because, you know, and probably because of Hash Church, you know, and just. Educating and sophisticating customers on solventless options and how solventless, even in like California, like Los Angeles, still commands a huge premium in the marketplace.

1:45:38Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd the products that are really good fly off the shelf and they get, you know, definitely a good return at the dispensary. I don't know what they do. For the producers, but you know, I know producers and it's like, it's always good to see that, yeah, we do have, we have a solventless line and a solventless product and that it's as popular as more now than it was say like five or 10 years ago, right?

1:46:06Dr Mark ScialdoneDon't you think? And rosin just technology and being able to scale rosin production, I think was always, you know, somewhat of a issue, but now I guess not.

1:46:18BubblemanI don't know why it's been an issue because no one can make, no one can sell what they can make. With their medium-sized machines, especially most solventless labs aren't running a 24-hour, three shifts a day. Most aren't even running two shifts a day. I know I've run enough of these labs. You can make so much hash that at that point in time, it's like you just, you won't be able to sell it.

1:46:46Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

1:46:47BubblemanSo it becomes like what you need to do is not just Get the highest throughputs and make the most amounts. That is kind of out the door right now. And it's more like, okay, what we really need to do is Grow slow, grow from small to medium to, you know, don't try to be big right away and kind of learn the flow of what it's like to, you know, have sources of plant material and SKUs and all of the things that you have to line up to go to market, which is an unbelievable amount when you really break it down, the amount of...

1:47:26BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:47:54BubblemanSome killer fire, you know, for like two grams for 40 bucks or something like that. So it just depends on the market that you're in. It does. How expensive the place you live is, you know, if everything's expensive, then probably everything is going to be expensive. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, for me, I'm I like the idea of rosin. Being affordable, but I also know that it has to make, most people have a hard time writing the cogs on their cost, on what it actually costs them to make a gram of hash.

1:48:33BubblemanSo until you can really figure out what that is, what that cog is of like how much your equipment costs, how much electricity you're using, the space, the rent, everything you're doing, your labor, All of your costs wrapped into, you know, the ROI. Obviously, you're not going to charge your equipment on the first gram, but there's an ROI that you figure out. And if you want to do a six month through a one year, you got to get this much paid off on every gram.

1:48:58BubblemanYou can figure it out pretty easily. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:49:24BubblemanPhil, the vaults with hash. That's like, and silly enough, if only they understood that, you know, the Canadian cannabis industry first had only cannabis. And what happened was it

1:49:42BubblemanThe packaging was terrible. And the pressure in the vessel of the active water would push on the packaging. And you've got terpenes and aromatic volatiles mixed in there. And whatever the glue was they were using, the terpenes would consume that glue in these micro fissures, micro fissures. But the pressure of the container would push Thank you for watching.

1:50:32BubblemanWe're understanding that hash was like weed. If it was six months old, RTV, send it back to vendor. We don't need to have that on the market. What they didn't understand is that hash gets better with age, depending on how you Seal it and cure it and allow it to exist. Cannabis is harder. Cannabis you would want to preserve. You don't want to like dry it out for too long in the market because it just becomes something that people aren't excited about to smoke.

1:51:03BubblemanWelcome to Josh and Kelly who are about to take a bong rep. I should have waited for you to get the bong rep right up to your mouth and then be like, hey, welcome, Josh.

1:51:12JoshGood morning, everybody. It's so nice to see everybody this morning. Yay.

1:51:17BubblemanDid your cup match your shirt?

1:51:20JoshI think it does.

1:51:22BubblemanIt does. Good colors. I got that.

1:51:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe got to shout out the Arcata Co-op in California.

1:51:27BubblemanThose are baller, dude.

1:51:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, come on. This is a court jar.

1:51:32JoshThis fits an entire court. And it's a beautiful and the mug is like the handle is as big as the mug so it like can be held and it stays warm because the clay is super thick. So Arcata Co-op, whoever is making these beautiful pottery, she's been doing it for probably like 20 years. I don't know who it is, but shout out. Thank you so much. Fucking hippies.

1:51:56JoshI love you guys.

1:51:57BubblemanThose are so awesome. I know.

1:52:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicinePeople see us come around the corner like this and we're like, what? What?

1:52:05BubblemanJust this giant. And it's not plastic. That's what I think is the best about it.

1:52:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI heard you say earlier that, yeah, look at that beautiful cat. You know, what a cutie. Who doesn't love it?

1:52:20BubblemanIf it weighed 150 pounds more, it would consume Dr. Mark. It would just eat him.

1:52:27BubblemanThat's what I love about cats.

1:52:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, we have the cats around here and the dogs. We've been hearing the wild wolves, the dogs and the coyotes. You always know there's coyotes and there's wolves out there, but it's like they're dogs, you know? And then there's big cats like lynx and...

1:52:49JoshYeah, you guys, we've been wondering why our fruit is staying on our trees for the last two years. It's been really wild. Like last year, the wasps got a bunch of it. And right now, like things are like the plums are becoming ripe. But normally the bears would get all of the plums year after year. They would get all of the apples. They would already be really pressuring us.

1:53:12JoshNormally we would walk outside and there would be four bears in the orchard at any given day. In the last two years, we've had absolutely no bears. Well, now we know why. So at nighttime, we've been hearing the wolves like in our field. And they're really big timber wolves. And we've never actually had timber wolves before. You know, really ever. They're called gray wolves, I guess. They're gray wolves.

1:53:41JoshLet's see if I can... It's sort of crazy. I've been... And they're not small.

1:53:46Etienne FontanThey're huge. They're big. People, when you see a dog next to a wolf, you're like, oh shit, that's a big wolf.

1:53:56BubblemanYeah. That's my meme. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe I'll get some food from those humans.

1:54:03SpeakerIt happened to cannabis too.

1:54:05Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicine30,000 years later. The weed, the dog, everything's changed when it gets into our hands.

1:54:10JoshCan you guys hear that?

1:54:11BubblemanDude, we fuck shit up. Can we hear what?

1:54:15JoshCan you hear this?

1:54:18BubblemanNo.

1:54:21JoshNo? No, can't hear it anyway. I had some wolves, I recorded some wolves in our field and it was like so haunting to have them. It almost feels like, you know, you have smells from like, you don't know where they come from, maybe a past life or you hear something and it reminds you of, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:55:03BubblemanBecause of the way they hunt the elk, the way they move.

1:55:05Etienne FontanThey change the rivers.

1:55:06BubblemanThey change the rivers, exactly. It has to do with hunting and keeping the animals off the edges so that the trees can grow up and create proper.

1:55:14Etienne FontanAnd then the beavers come back and start building their dams.

1:55:17BubblemanNo, no, the wolves change the geography. They are like, they're not just, well, someone just mentioned they balance the forest. Yes, absolutely. They balance the forest. It's not just about... Like eating other animals. It's the whole thing plays out on a level that is literally changing the structure of your geography, which is super cool. Like that's a thought. That's, yeah, that's, I think there's a documentary out or something.

1:55:45BubblemanWhere did you see all that stuff, Etienne?

1:55:48Etienne FontanThere's a video on it and it talks about, it's just how the wolves change the river flow in Yellowstone. Just go look it up and it talks about, yeah, how it is and how it changed how the elks and how all the different animals, now that they're being hunted, they're no longer in the fields eating all the grasses. So the grasses grow and they grow along, and the rivers move along with it yeah it's incredible man i mean nature really needs every level of itself to survive and if we do interrupt it as we have you know things will change but look you're even telling us right now how bears ain't coming because the wolves are out you know and that's real you know and that's across all nature because when you hear those howls i have i grew up in louisiana we had wild dogs and wild wolves And I'll take I'll take a wild pack of dogs over a wild pack of wolves any fucking day.

1:56:39Etienne FontanBoth suck. But, you know, because what happens, people don't realize this, but your dogs in rural areas run away and they will all pack up. And when they all pack up, they get feral and they're no longer friendly to humans. So, you know, whereas wolves, you can smell a wolf pack before you see a wolf pack. They are that significant. And they're they're just they're They're packed mentality.

1:57:05Etienne FontanI grew up in Manitoba. We had lots.

1:57:08BubblemanWow. Yeah, we had a lot. I would go to my dad's cabin in Woodridge and yeah, exactly, dude. Oh my God, these things. But here's what the search I did on the wolves. Wolves changed rivers through trophic cascade where their reintroduction in Yellowstone led to a reduction in elk overgrazing. This allowed vegetation to regenerate, stabilizing riverbanks, which in turn reduced erosion, narrowed river channels, and created more pools and rifles.

1:57:36BubblemanRiffles. Consequently, the rivers became less prone to meandering and more stable, creating better habitats for other wildlife, including beaver, fish, and aquatic insects. That's so cool. Come on.

1:57:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAbsolutely. And more dragonflies. And a lot of things that eat little bugs, you know, when you have more fish and stuff, you know, there's less...

1:58:01Etienne FontanI mean, you know, I was watching somebody talking about how they were farming this year with their cows and not trimming the grass and allowing the tall grasses to stay because the dragonflies land on the tall grasses to observe. And of course, if you've ever seen anything regarding a dragonfly, they are the master hunter in the wild. They literally like get 95 to 97 percent of their catches.

1:58:29Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

1:58:55BubblemanThey like you get pictures of dragonflies eating like I was getting pictures in Winnipeg at the fishing trip. They were eating horse flies, the big ones. And this dragonfly would just like open its mouth like the fucking predator. Grab this bug. And even just the iPhone shots, man, I was like, holy shit. Dragonflies are awesome little buddies, but they're murder machines. They are like, go kill all of these parasitic bastards.

1:59:27BubblemanDude, you like, honestly, it's like the shit that would be equivalent that we created to like a dragonfly would be like an Apache helicopter. Like that thing, it can stop on a dime. It can fly sideways. It can fly backwards. It can fly like, holy shit.

1:59:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAdd the whole component that they live in water before they fly. So they're a nymph in the water. They can only live in clean water. So it's a clean situation where they... Prosper.

1:59:59BubblemanWhat a creature.

2:00:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe've had these cool experiences where we've seen the nymph crawl out of the water onto the log beside us and then just crawl out of its skin, roll its wings out, and just fly away. And we're like, wow. We just watched the wings roll out from a crystal. It wasn't a chrysalis because it was a living creature.

2:00:22JoshA nymph.

2:00:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, that's what it's called.

2:00:24JoshYou know, another thing that is really amazing about dragonflies is that they are the highest flying migrating insects in the world. They fly way above the oxygen level and they go from continent to continent in these massive swarms. And they have like dragonfly migration and they go higher than any other bird. I guess bats go pretty high. They're another one.

2:00:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's dragonflies that go like 2,500 miles or something and like wind currents and stuff. I think from Africa to South America or something, you can look it up.

2:01:01JoshOh, you know, one thing I wanted to say too about the wolves that's been really interesting is that we're seeing some of their scat in the field and they're now eating the apples. So the bears have always eaten the apples and now the wolves are coming down and they're eating the apples. And I think that they're jumping up in the trees even. They're climbing the trees quite a bit to get these really delicious apples.

2:01:26JoshAnd that's just not anything that we've ever seen before. So I do believe what you're saying, ATN, that there's something about these cycles and when cycles come in and they Cleanse and they renew and they regenerate. And having the wolves here really truly has been like an incredible regeneration of our apple trees, of our cherry trees. It's allowed a lot of the berries in these zones to to really flourish.

2:01:53JoshSo I can see that the bears are pushed up higher into the mountains and they're probably becoming healthier by not being closer to us. So there's got to be something that You know, it was a beautiful trade-off. I really like what you were saying.

2:02:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey always break, like bears break the trees. Like they have bear pruning. They prune the tree a certain way. And honestly, like they sit in the tree and they pull branches to them. So after a while, like a tree becomes, like there's seats up there, you know, like I can sit up, it's like comfortable. You know, but after a while, like the tree can, it's nice for the tree to grow a couple years, you know, and we, and again, we try and keep the bears off the trees for sure.

2:02:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, we're trying to get our own fruit, but we have like 20 or The 21 trees on our property that are just planted by bear shit and wild and every single tree is different and some of them are good for applesauce, some are good for juicing, some are good for dehydrating or freeze drying.

2:02:59BubblemanApple butter, apple butter.

2:03:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe don't drink alcohol, but I think it'd be fun to check out hard cider or whatever. But yeah, it's... I didn't hear what you said, Colin. Here's an apple cider. The apple ciders, I mean. Like that.

2:03:19JoshYeah. I'm pressing it every day.

2:03:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's completely like liquid gold. Yeah. When you actually just press apples, you're just like, oh my God, this is. Yeah.

2:03:28JoshAnd it's fun when you don't give your grandchildren any kind of sugar and they really don't need sugar, but it's apple pressing time. Our granddaughter was running around in circles yesterday. And she was like, I just love this apple juice. I just love the way it makes me feel. I want more. It was so funny. So good sugar, but definitely gets her high.

2:03:50BubblemanOh, yeah. Wait until she's 13.

2:03:55Dr Mark ScialdoneI have an apple question. Reese Peanut Butter Cups. Related to living soil. So back in my fraternity days, my fraternity had a nice little plot of land that included an apple orchard. And just because we could, we grew in the apple orchard. You know, it had stippled sunlight because these trees were way overgrown and they weren't Thank you so much for joining us.

2:04:49Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I don't know, is there something about growing in an apple orchard with roots in the ground? I mean, is there a certain biome that sort of the apples, and I don't think this was ever commercially farmed. So the apples would just grow and fall off the tree and rot and certainly create some kind of plume of apple degradant in the soil. But is there something about growing in an orchard?

2:05:15JoshWell, I think that apples actually, when they decompose, they contain a tremendous amount of phosphorus. So, you know, apple peels, especially apple peels that are like keepers. So the pectin and the apple peel, and then as it rots into the earth, you know, the peel will sort of be one of the last things to go, which offers, you know, a lot of phosphorus. So you get all of that nitrogen from East Coast air.

2:05:41JoshEspecially in the summer times, you know, Midwest, yeah, Michigan.

2:05:45Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and it recruited a lot of animals. So there was constantly deer through there. There's constantly deer poop on the ground. I mean, that's got to, again, influence the biology of the soil. Don't you think?

2:05:55JoshA hundred percent. I think that it does. I think that if you go into orchards that are not sprayed or ones that are taken lightly and are regenerative orchards, I mean, That's some of the most intelligent, beautiful soil that you can find because it's coming from trees. It's not coming from plants that just have a season, you know, that seed up and then they die and they come down.

2:06:21JoshYou have this intelligence of a tree that's going very deep down in the ground to mine minerals. And I just think... Get water.

2:06:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo sometimes in Michigan, there's like a high water table, you know, in a lot of places in Michigan. So chances are, if it was a healthy old orchard or something, that the ganja would have tapped into a underwater water source, which would add to its health quite a bit because it would just be able to have that... That nourishment also, depending on the apple tree, I mean, some apple trees start losing their apples like first thing in August.

2:06:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineRight. And then any, you know, decomposite, I mean, a natural farming, you know, fermented fruit extracts, you know, peels, seeds, fruit, flowers, all those things, like Kelly said, not only contain phosphorus, but also potassium and all of the finishing minerals in there. Right.

2:07:21Dr Mark ScialdoneBut we used to, like, if you can imagine like a grid of like four trees, right in the apex in the middle, there'd be a spot that would get sunlight. So again, we just sort of, oh, that's where we want to grow. We want to grow right there and everything. And again, sometimes the deer would mow down the buds, but a lot of times, you know, for a bunch of fraternity guys who are eager to smoke weed, it was cheap, easy weed to grow.

2:07:49Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I just remember it being very flavorful. And I'm like, well, of course it's flavorful. We're growing in an apple orchard, okay? There's got to be some kind of continuity of the chemistry of the apples into the soil, into the weed plant, right? I mean, at some point. So anyway, I just thought I'd mention that.

2:08:11ColinWell, yeah, because the sugars, I mean, it makes a lot of sense from like metabolites, you know, like you're, you're, it's naturally providing, like I make a lot of pumpkin,

2:08:21Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it's acidic, right? It's going to create acidity in soil, right? So the degrading apples themselves, like Kelly said, it's got pectin in it. So pectin is great bug food. I mean, at some point, like on the food chain, like all the pseudomonad bacteria just start digesting all of that, Colin. It's like, oh my God, it's cheap, easy food. They don't have to like... It worked too much to get it so instantly like you could, you know, bury apples and they're gone within a matter of just days just because if you have active microbes in the soil, it's history.

2:09:03Dr Mark ScialdoneBut it feeds to the overall richness of the biome there. And I just think about, okay, like, who planted these apples? So this was on the property of a lumber baron. This was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And first of all, I wanted to also point out, because we were talking about the soil in general, there are natural springs in the Upper Peninsula that actually flow brown with tannins, because there's so much tannins in the soil.

2:09:34Dr Mark ScialdoneIt looks like... Thank you for joining us.

2:09:52Dr Mark ScialdoneThat was very, it was an important waterway for the logging industry back in the late 1800s. The entire area was logged. This is like the upper peninsula of Michigan on Portage Lake. Beautiful area of upper peninsula of Michigan. Absolutely beautiful, pristine. And this property was like about eight acres right on a place called Chastel Bay. And in that bay, Colin, they had like logged so much that there was so much like waterlogged timber like on the bottom of like the bay that it like just the complexion of the bay was like kind of like this brownish.

2:10:33Dr Mark ScialdoneThe water was blue. Like when you look at the water, you'd see a nice reflection of blue. But when you look at the lake itself, it's like, oh, there's some kind of like brownish kind of stuff on the bottom of the lake because all of this. Thank you for joining us.

2:11:02Dr Mark ScialdoneWe were just totally unaficionados, but we're like, oh, everyone likes smoking weed. Let's grow some in our apple orchard. So there's nothing special.

2:11:11ColinThe sugars though, man, that's why it probably tasted so good is like, honestly, like that natural ability for it to be there. Wow.

2:11:19Dr Mark ScialdoneAll the time, you know, like that's the plant, right? I mean, that's the so that the sugars that were in the apple recruited by microbes, right, that consumed all that, that sugar doesn't somehow magically transfer the sweetness of the herb, right? That's not it.

2:11:36ColinNo, it does. Actually, it does. Why a plant if you like, you know, there's studies on, you know, like, If you feed a plant more sugars at the end of its flower, towards the, in the middle of its flowering cycle, it will express more flavor.

2:11:56Dr Mark ScialdoneSo if you put apple mash into your soil, does your weed taste like apples? Is that right?

2:12:01ColinNo, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that it'll, it'll give the plant's ability to pull those sugars in and utilize those to produce the secondary metabolites. Right. And so it'll express what's there even more from the plant side, not from the apple. Right. Does that make sense?

2:12:24JoshWell, I think that also it's drawing like what you're saying, Colin, is it's drawing particular microbes and particular microbes are breaking down particular types of terpenes and particular types of esters and all of these things that draws certain types of microbes. So say that you have a microbe that Thank you so much for joining us.

2:13:04JoshUm, microbes, I truly believe are becoming much more available to the ganja plant. So we've always thought that we've always thought, well, let's plant a lot of apple fritter. I just think that you can do, you know, very aromatic plants. Not only is that going to help, you know, with pests, but it's also going to help with the breakdown and bring some higher intelligence. I think to your plants.

2:13:34JoshAnd I also feel that it's really important to drop those leaves, drop some of those little buds, anything onto the ground that you can. So then you're bringing, you know, more intelligence to break that down as well.

2:13:48ColinYeah, I think the influence of the environment is so true. Definitely. Right. And I think that's fair. Yeah. So yeah, Dr. Mark, I think that's really, you know, you guys just had like a magical spot. That's pretty awesome. I mean, you just like had this most honest, amazing thing you could ever have. And then you're like, wow, why does it taste so good?

2:14:12Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and we were totally carefree about it, too. I mean, like, we weren't upset. Like, we didn't go back there every day to water or anything. We just, like, throw seeds in the spring. Oh, let's go back. That's right. We grew some weed. Let's go look at those plants, you know. I think I maybe went back one time during the summertime. I'm like, ooh, we actually got some decent plants.

2:14:32Dr Mark ScialdoneLike, they're on their way. It's like, I'll come back in the fall, you know. I mean, just completely just not even thinking about it.

2:14:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo is it seated male and female then, obviously?

2:14:42Dr Mark ScialdoneI have, you know, I don't even remember. I just remember having free weed at the fraternity house, which made me very popular at the time.

2:14:52JoshYeah, for sure.

2:14:53Dr Mark ScialdoneMaybe the other thing, the other thing. So check this out. So obviously, like when you when you look at like, well, and again, I wouldn't think just increasing the acidity. So when you break down any kind of fruiting matter, I think even mushrooms do this, too. You're just increasing the amount of like phytic acid and all of these basically lignin components in the soil, even like degrading leaves.

2:15:23Dr Mark ScialdoneI guess this is like any kind of compost, right? The bugs that are going to come in that are going to degrade those are basically doing it. They're not doing it for the terpenes. They're doing it for the sugar because cellulose is basically polymers of sugar. And every basically polymer unit is a molecule of glucose. And that's glucose that their cells need, right? So you're looking at this almost from just like the survival.

2:15:54Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd again, this goes to the basis of living soil, right? All of these things are basically working off of each other to basically create this symbiotic relationship to create, quote unquote, a healthy soil. So I would think that like those trees which were dropping apples for probably, you know, 15, 20 years, like nobody seriously collected these apples. They were just there. The trees were there, they were dropping apples, increased the acidity, overall acidity of that soil, but also just created this wonderfully active living soil, right?

2:16:33Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, living soil that would have been fed on apples for years and, you know, attracting all the deer in that would eat the apples and poop and maybe even bear this area of upper Michigan. I imagine at one point there were wolves there.

2:16:49JoshYeah, you know, it's also good to So it's cool to think about the alcohols that are being released, you know, from that, from the apples and then it draws. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm thinking even like, you know, all of the different alcohols that it creates in the soil and the living soil, what that draws away from it. You know, we know that alcohol can get rid of a lot of different pathogens and I'm sure that that is, Is really related in there.

2:17:19JoshThe other thing that I was thinking about is maybe the cannabis and the alcohols go together because they can share their stories of persecution. They can share their stories where humans have cut them down and now they're living together freely by some fraternity guys. I've actually just been reading a lot about King Henry. And when, you know, the English were trying to become more pious and they were trying to become, this is in the mid 1500s.

2:17:53JoshThey were trying to become more one with the Vatican because King Henry had like pushed the Vatican away and tried to create his own church. And during that time, the French were just going absolutely insane. They were having orgies. They were drinking like crazy. They were just, so the English were doing everything they can to not be the French. And one of the largest things in not being the French They started to cut off alcohol and started to realize that alcohol made their people crazy.

2:18:26JoshSo they would only keep alcohol for the court. And they would make sure that the court was all drunk, which was their thousand people that watched over the king, but all the peasants and the people, they went and cut down all of their fruit So imagine, and then what's really interesting is then rickets came about. No, not rickets, so scurvy. And they couldn't figure out like, wait, how are people getting these scurvy and all of these odd diseases that they were, you know, maybe saying was some kind of a plague, but it was from cutting down all of the fruit.

2:19:03JoshAnd then the people weren't getting the ascorbic acid and the vitamin C from it.

2:19:07Etienne FontanWhich is really quite interesting at how much that often and even fresh wine is a lot like juice and probably has like a lot of vitamin C in it, which is, you know, you know, it's going to be fascinating, you know, dragonfly peoples is now that you've got your wolves eating your apples, it's going to be interesting to see where your apple trees now grow because they're going to be taking those seeds.

2:19:33Etienne FontanAnd you're going to randomly find in the woods now, apple trees. And so it'd be great if an arborist could follow the natural growth of your trees as they now continue to spread around BC, because that's just a natural propagation that's happening that the bears were doing, right? So where would the breads... you know bears were taking their shits and you know there's apple trees growing there so inadvertently you're spreading apples throughout bc that not sure if you knew that or not but it could be a very interesting study in trees

2:20:10JoshYeah, I really love that. And if you think about it, the bears, like Josh said, they make a nest up in the tree and then they consume. And honestly, it's almost impossible to get them out of the tree. You could light fireworks. You could spray bears.

2:20:26Etienne FontanYou could pull your car. So you've tried to scare them out of the trees and they're like, fuck off.

2:20:31JoshNo, they're just like, I'm here and I'm a little bit drunk because it's turned to alcohol and I've got this seat.

2:20:38Etienne FontanOh, they're fermenting.

2:20:40JoshYeah, they sit there and shit and shit and shit. So a lot of their poops stay in the orchard area. And what you're saying is these wolves are actually going to carry it very far. And I love that idea. So now they're going to be going up into the highlands, which they do all the time, even in just a day. Up and down from the high country to downtown.

2:21:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd luckily we live next to a wilderness area where you're not allowed to cut anything. So you're able to see small trees and plants grow up like in a world where everyone's fire smarting everything and managing the forest. I'm not saying don't, but, but, but like you're getting rid of all of this. carbon and a lot of people like when they're fire smart and they take it that you are taking years you'll you'll think that you're adding biodiversity to the forest but you're honestly mostly you're you don't know what you're cutting down like let's be honest you're not out there identifying every bush and being like whoa this is crazy this is the one bush that grows in this whole entire so and when you gather you know medicine out of the forest oregon grape you know different things and and you're and you're paying attention devil's club you know you're looking for different stuff you start realizing like the biodiversity of the forest is so important Plus we look for mushrooms a lot and you can't have mushrooms in a managed forest.

2:22:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLike there's nothing to eat. You're taking away future soil. So there's a balance towards having wild areas. In your property, on earth, in your forest, not to fear it because so much of those wild areas are actually damp in the summer where they have like in some cases green grass because There is, like Mark said, diffused light, and it's not just bare and exposed. Some weed farms are too bare and exposed, and there's nothing.

2:22:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll the biology on the top of the soil, the soil on the top should be the most active thing. But if there's just... 100 degree sun beating down on your soil. I mean, there's no biology there. I mean, you'd have to do like compost teas and all this stuff to just give the plant something living. And also the acidity component of like fruit falling like That is also cyclical.

2:23:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLike it's acidic in the fall and as it's breaking down, but often with grasses and tree branches, there's carbon in there. When there's more of a high carbon, there you go. Not only can you forage for mushrooms, but you can dab with merlin while you're doing it, which I think is a good option.

2:23:41BubblemanI just thought it went along with what you were saying. This was just a little mushroom forging trip I did. This is the woodlot B at Alice Lake on the way up to Whistler. And it's just some dude owns this whole lot for wood and he's just let it be wild. There's some trails that go through it and people ride horses and bicycles through it and stuff, but it is...

2:24:02BubblemanThe most diverse and mushroom-rich little square of land that I have ever been exposed to. And I go there often for winters, for the winter chanterelles.

2:24:16Etienne FontanWell, I want to bring this up then, okay? Because you're showing us you're out in the woods. And you talked, of course, Kelly, about education, right? And it's really a surprise. And I really got this after the war. I was working on a horse farm in rural Pennsylvania, and we would go to an Amish farm. I would actually have to put on long sleeves and we would go get sawdust.

2:24:46Etienne FontanHorse bedding. And we would walk through the lumber yard and I was with this guy. His name's Pappy. Pappy was 77 years old at the time. And we would walk through that lumber yard and he'd point, that's pine, that's this, that's this, that's it. And it's cut. It's already, you know, in lumber form. And it made me realize how absolutely ignorant we are in how our education system does not educate us about what's in our fucking yards, what's in our woods.

2:25:17Etienne FontanI saw a very fascinating research project on Brazil nuts. Recently, and did you know that the entire Amazon forest is full of Brazil nuts because ancient civilizations decided, hey, we're going to need these. So they planted them and they did a whole research to realize there's no way the randomness of how these Brazil nuts are all over the Amazon, that it was randomly done by nature. No, man selectively put them there because we knew it was going to be there.

2:25:49Etienne FontanAnd of course, Thank you for watching.

2:26:08Etienne FontanThank you for joining us today.

2:26:31Etienne Fontansettled for you know generations if not hundreds of years that's kind of what got me thinking about the apples and the trees and you know how far these will grow and how random it will grow based off the trails because we know they're very educated trails on how the wolves travel so it's going to be a and again a natural propagation of nature happening in its own way but Now with human manipulation to some resolve because where else has, you know, now they'll be saying, hey, wow, there's wolves eating apples.

2:27:05Etienne FontanI've not heard of wolves eating apples. You know, they eat wild and everything, but now it'll be interesting to see because now here's a new wolf sociology thing. They're now taking these and who's to say in the future, oh, they're going to teach their youngins, oh, see that tree over there that they randomly planted? Well, it's now sprouting fruit. Let's eat that fruit because you can eat that.

2:27:24JoshYeah, I love this conversation because actually it's going to bring in a very vital mineral. So when we test our body, we are almost 100% of us are selenium deficient. Selenium is a difficult mineral to get a hold of. Selenium occurs when you have forested areas in the tropical zones that are Thank you so much.

2:28:12JoshThank you so much for joining us.

2:28:25JoshEverything that you're talking about, but we can even tie in our very basic health systems happen when we leave the freaking forests alone. So I wanted to bring back this idea of managing forests. Really and truly, I feel like it's a It's a knee jerk reaction. Fire, get rid of fuel. Humans, fire, get rid of fuel. So go in the forest and cut down. And they call it fire smarting.

2:29:03JoshAnd I don't mean to be funny, but it's really true. It's actually making the fire smarter. That's exactly what you're doing. So all these people are fire smarting, fire smarting. But in reality if you look at how fast a fire can travel with you know low amounts of fuel and then you look at biodiversity and you look at different depths of soil that's created in a very diverse microbiotic We have a very rich environment.

2:29:38JoshIt's set for fire. Those have natural fire breaks and blocks. Talk about animals that set up zones. Animals set up all different types of fire blocks, all in the forest. But as humans, we're like, clear it out, clear it out. This is going to be the best way for us to be safe from the fire. But over planting, creating an environment that's incredibly damp, multi-diverse environment, microbiotic, bringing animals from all different zones and areas so they can drop seeds, so they can plant things from different zones and areas.

2:30:18JoshI really believe that we need to re-educate and rethink this idea of what we're doing when we're saying we're fire smarting or that we're creating zones that are going to keep us safe from fire. We're not looking at what nature has offered us. Thank you for joining us today.

2:30:57JoshWhen in actuality, these practices are not helping the forest and they're only helping fire. And dare I say that, but I really want people to educate themselves further about true biodiversity and how it creates health and wellness to us. And I love how selenium and Brazil nuts also just tie right in.

2:31:19Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, the other thing I think about in retrospect, I mean, not that I think about this a lot, but I think about like, again, the soil in an orchard and like this thing, which was an overgrown, unattended orchard, wasn't kept up at all. Not at all. The trees were overgrown. And obviously, you know, every year that fruit was created and that fruit dropped. It's amazing that the pits in the apples or the seeds rather didn't sprout little apple trees all around and kind of suffocate out the big tree.

2:31:59Dr Mark ScialdoneSo somehow the big trees were well enough established That maybe the root zone affects the germination rate of new seeds because year after year, apples were grown, apples were dumped. You know, again, critters would come in and eat them and God knows if, you know, again, taking seeds elsewhere, creating trees elsewhere, but there were no other like secondary trees growing from all the fruit that was dropped Over, you know, you know, again, decades and decades.

2:32:37Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, no one grew these trees for apples. And yeah, I'll just say the other thing is that, you know, like we go back there and again, not know if their weed, you know, was either stolen by some local kid who came through, you know, with his buddy. He was like, oh man, there's a weed plant here. Just go back there someday and just find your plants topped off.

2:33:00Dr Mark ScialdoneOr was it a deer? Did the deer come through and say, oh, here's some nugs here? We would know. Every once in a while, there would be plants left behind or sometimes not. And it was just always an interesting place to grow. But I'm wondering if somehow, like in an orchard, when trees get established, Do in their root zone, they somehow affect the germination from, you know, seeds that they would drop from fruit produced by that tree itself.

2:33:37Dr Mark ScialdoneDoes that make sense? Am I making sense? No.

2:33:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. That makes sense. There's a high activity of composting happening.

2:33:47Etienne FontanIn the fruit and then the fruit break down and then all the leaves fall on it like I said and then grass on the rind right that breaks down further and the nutrients break down right into the soil and the worms eat that and then the only filter that out into the levels and the layers which then Thank you so much for joining us.

2:34:32Etienne FontanOnly just recently has California realized that, you know, stopping fires is, you know, a bad thing. That they need to kind of let nature take its course, right? And if nature takes its course, you know, we do our best to protect humans, but when nature takes its course naturally, it's best for everything.

2:34:52Dr Mark ScialdoneMy thing, just to finish that thought on the fruit tree thing, and then we'll hang it up. I wanted to share this thought before it died of loneliness. So the tree influences the soil around itself because then it would basically create All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:35:36Dr Mark ScialdoneGenetic material in the gene pool, right? Am I articulating this the right way? So the tree couldn't do it itself. The tree needed someone like an animal to eat those apples, shit the seeds somewhere else so it could spread its genetics that way because in and around itself, it's not going to threaten its own viability by letting offspring compete with the sunlight for itself. Does that make sense?

2:36:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt does, and there's also a component where the acidity of the intestinal tract of the animal kind of inoculates the seed. It strips some of the membranes around on the outside of the seed to make it more viable for germination as well, so sometimes just going through the body. But also just the heat of the soil, the whole environment, what creates it, you know, because it'll go through a freezing period in the winter.

2:36:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt'll freeze. If another tree falls on the apple tree and breaks a branch, it'll add sunlight to that orchard and potentially another tree could grow there. So it's all in this like constant like think and feel, you know, like mostly in an intact orchard, like it won't grow there. But it's going away to another environment where you get like the right amount of heat in the soil to germinate, to crack the seed.

2:37:12JoshAnd I think we could super trip out too and think about trees that will only grow on health sides because there's a certain... Like steepness that has to happen that the seed has to fall a certain amount from a tree to be able to germinate or have to grow on the side of rivers because their seeds have to soak for a certain amount of time in order for them to come up or ones that are only around certain oases because they need, it's really, it's crazy because You know, trees create the environment that they need.

2:37:56JoshThey create the environment that they need. And if we give them enough time, you know, then they can create an entire community of what they need.

2:38:06Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so that's like when you see an overgrown orchard that hasn't been, you know, commercially producing for years, but the trees are still there. The orchard maintains its structure, right? You could still see where the trees are all planted in the line because the trees are all planted in the line. And yeah, you'll see overgrown other weeds, but you won't, again, I don't know if there is some I think it's a real effect that that tree dropping its fruit in that area, again, needed to be taken away before those seeds would germinate into other trees.

2:38:47Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, interesting thing to think about anyway.

2:38:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMost amazing thing I've seen with orchards and trees is to cover and get rid of all of the dirt underneath the tree and put a manure ring around the drip line of the tree. So like in a perfect orchard where you're giving the tree like passively like the best like when you read orchard books and stuff. You're trying to use like heavy mulch and all underneath the tree canopy.

2:39:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo you really want the roots of an orchard tree are really shallow. So you want to put in a perfect way, not have grass growing underneath the tree. And then you make a manure ring right at the drip line. And you'll see an incredible transformation of the trees. A lot of old fruit trees get anthrax and different, Thank you. Thank you.

2:40:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNice to think about orchards and I also really love the idea that trees live multiple years and so their intelligence grows like the information that they have like encoded into their genetics and then when you use that medicine is in a way you could think of it as like a higher frequency and When we're, a lot of times we're thinking about gardens like annual, you know, you go out, you plant like lettuce or you plant tomatoes and they're dead that year.

2:40:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd you're not really thinking like longevity, like a lot of the Brazil nuts in South America and the Amazon, like ATN was talking about,

2:40:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo there's like this whole thing of like the Amazon is like a garden, you know, and people had a different way of thinking about your gardens and that's why I like permaculture and biodynamics and Thank you so much for being here.

2:41:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineCreating future intelligence just on the fly right in front of you and then the roots break that down and then waters retain there and then more mushrooms grow and then it's like you have this within one year you've like Thank you for joining us today.

2:42:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll the teachings are there, you know, of carbon and nitrogen and that magical ratio and the whole breakdown of living and stuff. So I think succession forests and food farming and perennial fruits and a lot of the superfoods are indigenous foods around you, you know, and We've been always like, don't take out of the forest and repropagate it, which I don't think you should, but the forest is...

2:42:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineA garden that we live next to and there's ways of propagating it that are healthy. And when we interact with those foods, it does bring up our nutrient level and the density and the power of the nutrients. And I mean, like Marcus said, if you're in a wormhole, that's fun to think about. And that's why I like food forests. You're creating zones and environments. You're thinking about where the sun is and maybe you don't want to grow your trees on the south side and block all the sun for your garden.

2:43:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou might want to grow the trees on the north side because it's less shadow on the garden. I don't know. It's a lot of fun. And ganja and weed plays into that as part of the canopy, you know, and part of the breakdown. And that does add to the terpenes and it does add to the It's health because of all the natural balance that's happening in the environment and everything.

2:43:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo when given the opportunity, you can live in this magical world where you're kind of mimicking.

2:44:04Etienne FontanSo why do you think we're not taught about You know, you had to seek out science and biology and all that, Dr. Sheldon, right? It wasn't necessarily naturally taught in school. It was something that sparked a phase. Whereas, you know, what, what Kelly are experiencing all the time is something that used to be taught, you know, and it's now it's taught in. You know, places like UC Davis, which are, you know, agricultural schools, etc.

2:44:33Etienne FontanBut it should be something we all know and understand what's out, you know, what type of grass is growing in our yard, what type of trees are just in our neighborhood or in our backyard or going for a walk in the forest. And realizing, oh, yeah, that's, you know, we're all taught about, you know, poison ivy, right? And poison oak. Look out for those. But besides that, the rest of it's really kind of left to fuck off.

2:44:56Etienne FontanYou know, it's really kind of fucked up.

2:44:59Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I was taught in school. I mean, you know, I mean. Yeah. I mean, you could, could, could I know what I know today without going through my educational experience from everything from kindergarten to elementary school through high school and college, all those years in college. I spent 13 years in college. I think I, I, I don't know, I have to go back and add that up, right?

2:45:25Dr Mark ScialdoneBut yeah, I mean, it becomes, yeah, I mean, and I understand, you know, secondary education is under fire these days, ATN. I think for some of the reasons that exactly you bring up, I mean, people look at like what they need to do to make a living i think when you ask this generation now what they want to do i think the more uh comment or the most common response or the mo with the more most popular responses they want to be a social media influencer because these people just sit in front of their computers and phones and don't do anything creatively don't they aren't making anything they aren't doing anything but like You know, I teach at a small college here in Vermont and it's like I interact in the so-called STEM.

2:46:12Dr Mark ScialdoneSTEM is just an acronym for science, technology, engineering, and math. And, you know, I'm always amazed at like what, you know, the impact I mean, all the things about college, I agree. It's super expensive these days to send your kids to college. And then you'll send kids to college. They'll be in a ton of debt. And they'll have a degree that it's really difficult in this job environment to get a position in.

2:46:41Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so, yeah, I understand people's gripe from that point of view is that, you know, do you really need a college degree for some of these high paying jobs where it's just, I think what a college degree shows And employer, you know, ATN, you're an employer, you hire people, right? I mean, it shows me as an employer, someone who has a college degree can set their mind to something and complete a task.

2:47:08Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, I went to college, I got this degree in whatever, I don't know, business administration. I see kids who go to school for chemistry and for health sciences. And I just, you know, really having the impact On my students, my students are going to remember me for the rest of their life. They're going to be like, oh yeah, Dr. Mark at St. Michael's. They'll be like, oh yeah.

2:47:36Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's such a wonderful thing. Teaching in general is just so much more... Thank you so much for joining us.

2:48:03Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, the whole, you know, free enterprise market of, you know, the more you have and the more, the bigger your house is and the bigger your plane is or the bigger your car is and what you drive, a lot of what you attach to your status. I think the beautiful thing about cannabis is it's an equalizer. You know, it gets, you know, wealthy people as well as people who have no means whatsoever.

2:48:29Dr Mark ScialdoneUnited around this plant and around what we do and around how we conduct our lives. At the end of the day, we all need money. To, you know, pay our bills and to make the world go around. And does educating a swath of the population with the knowledge that we have, I mean, being a professor is really rewarding ATN because I know I'm having such a wonderful impact on these kids' lives.

2:49:01Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd like, You know, just even doing like cannabis related research. I mean, we're at the front end of, you know, this weed thing, stigma going away to where we could actually do legitimate research at the college and university levels. And it be supported by our National Institutes of Health. And, you know, it's like still to the point where money that was already allocated through National Institutes of Health funding has been stopped.

2:49:34Dr Mark ScialdoneWe heard back in late August that our grant for our Vermont Biomedical Research Network, through which I get funding, have received their notice of award. So thank you very much for all those that pressure that people put On RFK, as it turns out, this wasn't even money that wasn't, this was money that was already allocated and it was already, it was held up in the courts, but ultimately all those institutes and research hospitals and cancer studies that so desperately rely on all of this NIH funded funding were actually now awarded their contracts again.

2:50:14Dr Mark ScialdoneSo all that research has been turned on, which is just wonderful news. So thank you. Anybody in our audience reached out to their senators or representatives when I pleaded with you to do so a couple months ago. Thank you if you did that.

2:50:32JoshWell, I think I would like to... Go ahead, ATN.

2:50:37Etienne FontanIn a sense, you were talking about a few things. First off, originally in BPG when we were hiring, remember, we're turning 26 years old next month, right? So thank you very much. We didn't hire very educated people. We hired activists in the sense because early on, you know, we're all expecting to get arrested. And I could not take somebody who was a doctor and willfully, you know, put them through the paces with any chance of getting arrested, right?

2:51:10Etienne FontanEvery single day, right? Nobody really wanted to kind of take that risk, wanted to go that necessary extra mile. And that changed in 2009, right? When the Cole Memo, because that kind of gave normalization in the sense that we were allowed to be our little 10th Amendment realities. And that's when we hired and brought people in. And that's when I started teaching at Oaksterdam University, right? My friend, Richard Lee, rest in peace, saw the need because why?

2:51:43Etienne FontanThere was no, at the time, secondary education about cannabis. And because there was no secondary education on cannabis, it made our jobs as dispensary people harder because, I mean, when we hired you, you spent a week just getting educated before you even went to your job. That is how much history and information around laws and what you were gonna experience that we had to fill in people's heads before they even got To even deal with a patient before you start to look at the can of Bibles and the great book of buds, which were always kept in the break lounge.

2:52:24Etienne FontanSo at any time you're on your break, you could finger through and look through these genetics. But we were going through enough genetics and turnover at the time that people became quite educated on the genetics and genetics. And so now there's multiple schools. There's even universities that have and now the.

2:53:00Etienne FontanThere's the American Nursing Association now recognizes cannabis nursing as a specialty. So these are things, thankfully, due to our friends and other people who were like, hey, well, there are education manuals about Science and nursing. Oh, well, I have to write them. Oh, well, I know a hundred people do that. Well, I'll contribute chapters. And now we've got an entire compendium and multiple books now just on cannabis nursing as a specialty.

2:53:28Etienne FontanWhy? Because what we were doing as bud tenders and that anecdotal, as well as that feedback loop that we're getting from patients is now being used as a real science. Now there is specific understanding of medical uses and needs and expectations and now efficacious medicines available to them, right? And so it's a constant evolution of seeing what we were missing, right? Especially the education component. And now seeing it start to be where there are specialties now in cannabis science and research, right?

2:54:09Etienne FontanAnd even awards, right? You yourself, Dr. Sheldon, those types of things did not exist when you were an undergraduate or even as you became a doctor to a certain result for cannabis, right? They were all very hush-hush in research, but... Even you now have patents in a way and a form and businesses now that can really change the mindset through science, through direct science. It's no longer our anecdotal feedback loop.

2:54:37Etienne FontanIt's real, replicatable, duplicatable science. That is unfortunately still not 100% there because as we know, even the testing standards from state to state are its own thing. But we're getting there, right? It's still a step-by-step process, right? Colin, for you, right? For where we started even a decade ago from, you know, carts with wicks to now, you know, there's not a wick in a cart to save your life, right?

2:55:04Etienne FontanIt's a constant evolution that We are reliant to people and feedback loops as well as to people like, you know, Steven Pilpot, who just joined us, who is, you know, doing direct research on PTSD and, you know, the brains and helping just the science understand anandamide levels, right? Steven is helping science and TBIs understand why anandamide levels are important, aren't you, Steven?

2:55:36SpeakerWelcome. Yeah, I mean, I guess to the conversation that was being had, Dr. Mark and I have definitely talked about this. You have to meet people where they are. Hey, so like if I'm talking to a biologist, I'm not going to start talking to them about cannabis first. I'm going to talk to them about basic biology because I know that's their specialty. Now, if during that conversation, I can start explaining to them like, hey, you know how 35% of FDA medication is made to target G protein couple receptors?

2:56:12SpeakerOkay, CB1 and CB2 are G couple protein receptors. And they're like, oh, well, I already understand that class of receptors. So now I'm not teaching you anything new. It's just a new way of telling them. At the end of it, then you tell them, hey, cannabis actually interacts with the system. But if you don't lead with it and you lead with their specialty, you almost like walk people into their own education.

2:56:43JoshYou know, another thing that I wanted to mention in here is that You know, there's no doubt, Mark, that you're an extraordinary teacher and that's why people are left and your students are left with a feeling of learning something because you spark something in them that makes them want to learn. Now, I can't totally back the educational system right now as extraordinary. I think that there's extraordinary individuals In the education system, I do actually believe that, you know, unfortunately the whole NIH and the polling of funding and everything became so political, but in all honesty, I would really like for our education, ATN, you said it from the very beginning, people, children don't even know how to walk around in a field and know the difference between a plantain and a clover.

2:57:40JoshThese are very basic educational components Thank you so much for joining us today. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

2:58:15JoshI have the best surgeons from Vanderbilt and Harvard's very best doctors of biology and all of these things. But when they get down to Haiti and they're in our clinic, there is an unbelievable, dare I say, ignorance To understanding true health, you know, Monty Python does that funny thing about, you know, doctors always talk about the machines that go bing. Like these doctors that are the most renowned in their field can't even use very basic, you know, maybe touching a belly to understand where a baby is without an ultrasound, without all of these things.

2:59:02JoshThere's something that's happening in our basic educational systems that's leading us away from our Intelligence that will help drive us towards health and wellness. A lot of those funds that were taken away in NIH, I really want to know, like, are they going to be towards health and wellness? Like, okay, we're funding more and more science and we're funding more and more things and more educational programs, but are we healthier as a society?

2:59:35JoshWe are not. Are we getting better at dealing with nature in a way that's stopping fires? No, it's not. Are we using up all of our water? Yeah, we're still throwing terrible chemicals everywhere, but it's all in the name of education. So I'm really here to just really question that. And I feel like I can do that. I have several, I have all these degrees from several different universities, and I don't feel like I got my education until I left those.

3:00:12JoshOf course, there was amazing teachers that taught me and seeded something that made me want to go out and learn more. But wasn't until I left those walls that I actually became educated. So I'm believing that people can become educated outside of those walls, without those walls, without the debt, without coming back. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:00:55JoshOkay, great. You come out with a ton of debt and now you got to pay it off and thank God for cannabis because that's how I paid off my debts in university. You know, it was swinging in cannabis on debt tour. That's how I paid for university. And thank goodness that I had that as an outlet, but it's just bringing back this idea of what is it feeding?

3:01:16JoshI feel like the education is taking away more than what is giving at this time. So it's just an interesting topic. Thanks.

3:01:26ColinYeah, I mean, education, I think, is what you make of it, you know, and especially the years that you spend at that age. I think it's about what you put into it and what you get out of it. And some kids are adept to it and some aren't. And some are lucky and are able to find that career path and some can go in completely different directions.

3:01:50ColinYou know, to your point.

3:01:51BubblemanStephen's got his hand up after you, Colin.

3:01:54ColinYeah, sorry, go ahead.

3:01:56SpeakerI'm just going to say from somebody who's like in the education system, but also like I grew up in Chicago public schools. So like I'm very, as a kid, I was very aware that like your teachers will walk out and leave if they're not happy and go on strike. So as a kid, you're not in class like thinking about whimsical education. You're like, this is where my parents dropped me off when it's time for them to go to work.

3:02:24SpeakerSo like I had a 1.8 GPA in high school just because of stuff that was going on in my household. Didn't like school. The military was, to me, going to the Marines made more sense than going to college. So that's obviously what I did. However, once I went overseas and the world got bigger than it was when I just lived at home, then I had a shit ton of questions and I didn't know how to get those answers.

3:02:50SpeakerSo to your point, education provided a path for me specifically for me to go, hey, there's a ton of opinions that are public and they're only more opinions being thrown at you public. Most of our kids can't cipher through what's real and what's not. And the one thing, maybe not school as an institution does, but the scientific method makes you question things down to its fundamental We have to make sure that this is what's happening separate from a human's influence on the trial.

3:03:26SpeakerAnd I think you don't really get that curiosity in a lot of places outside of education. So I understand your point. The institutions themselves are very much different from the opportunity that they can provide. Like you said, certain people after having certain experiences will go through there and have like Hey, this is a topic in the world that I wanna focus on and I'm gonna make the world better doing that.

3:03:51SpeakerBut 90% of the students that are there are almost like robotic, I gotta get this degree because society said I gotta get this degree. And they don't really know it until they get a job. And somebody in the chat said, most people who got those degrees aren't even in that field anymore. I think that's both sides of like, yes, it's beneficial, but also they don't really tell people to like, I, whenever people ask me to be a mentor, I'm like, what's the problem in your community that you want to solve?

3:04:22SpeakerBecause that's what you should probably go research. Anything else you're going to burn out or you're going to look up one day and hate your research. You should probably look at something that you actually care about. I want to help veterans like ETN said. I'm a veteran. I know that that's something I can research where regardless of what happens with the funding and the federal government, if I can help one veteran at a time, that science is worth it, in my opinion.

3:04:48Etienne FontanWell, it's also affording that education, right? I joined the National Guard because I could not afford. I grew up poor. My parents could not afford, nor did they think enough of me to save money for me to have a secondary education. So I went, joined the military back in 1989.

3:05:11Etienne FontanRight when the Berlin Wall was falling, thinking, hey, I'm just going to do four years, because again, that really uncomfortable and fucked up time in society between 18 and 21 in the United States, right? You're legal to... You know, join the military, but not legal enough to drink, right? For me, I was. I'm very rare in that sense. I was the last one grandfather in. However, that 18 to 22 is a very dangerous time in life.

3:05:41Etienne FontanAnd where I grew up in southern Louisiana, there was no real apprenticeship besides, you know, welding and working offshore. And I literally got washed out of, you know, Thank you for watching.

3:06:10Etienne FontanYou know, through getting that, you know, through, you know, I inadvertently found myself in combat and in war, right? Because I just wanted a secondary education. And it was even mocked because I was like, hey, I just want a secondary education. I wanted the experience, wasn't expecting war. But wow, what an education and world traveling that was, right, Stephen? Into changing your perspective and understanding, you know, where you are in the world and what you're told.

3:06:39Etienne FontanAnd what your media and your friends have been told. And then what you see physically on the ground yourself in a combat zone, as well as come to understand. And just to give you some perspective, I'm going to rant here for a second. My war was Desert Storm. We were told that the big boogeyman of Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and so we needed to go free Kuwait.

3:07:05Etienne FontanAnd so we were like, oh, we're going to go liberate a democracy. That's what we were told, okay? And when my ass got over there and got on the ground, I found out that, oh, Kuwait's a monarchy. Not only is it a monarchy, they have on average of 19 Iraqi slaves per household. On average. Oh, shit. Mind blown. So then I was like, oh, well, you know, Saddam Hussein, bad guy.

3:07:33Etienne FontanHe invaded Kuwait. Well, why did he invade Kuwait? Well, inadvertently, not conspiracy theorists here, George Bush Sr. owned an oil company called Zapata Oil. And Zapata Oil did what's called slant drilling. Are you familiar with what slant drilling is, boys and girls? Well, if you've ever seen a movie, I Drink Your Milkshake, yeah, that's basically what they did. They slid into Iraq's milkshake and started sucking on it and got caught.

3:08:03Etienne FontanAnd Saddam's like, fuck you, and invaded. And of course, you know, George Bush Sr., It was like, oh, no, we can't have that. We have to go liberate them. Right. See how this works, people. Right. So things you learn on the ground that you necessarily weren't understanding. And then when I tell the people I even serve with that we fought in a war over oil, they get mad and angry and I get ostracized for speaking the truth.

3:08:33Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

3:08:51Etienne FontanThat's just one person's journey just to get a secondary education. And then while I was in my sophomore year of college, after I came back from war, ATN was using his medical marijuana. And on the day of him getting his promotion to Sergeant, I had a positive piss test for urinalysis for THC and was kicked out of the army. And then the next day when I went to go to college, my professors had to escort me off campus and say, oh, your GI Bill's been pulled.

3:09:22Etienne FontanYou don't get your secondary education anymore. So, you know, that's just my little bitter journey as a cannabis patient who would then go to the VA and say, hey, this medical marijuana is saving my life. I was wasting down. I have what's called Desert Storm Syndrome or Gulf War Illness. And I wasted away to 98 pounds and I was dying and nobody knew why and cannabis stimulated my appetite and saved my life.

3:09:49Etienne FontanAnd so I used it because it was saving my life and that became my journey inadvertently. So yeah, I'm a funny guy in a funny hat, but... We have in each one of us have fascinating stories on how we got here and why we chose cannabis as our medicines. And that's just my small journey of just wanting to get a secondary education. And that sparked my journey into now being, you know, cannabis pioneer.

3:10:18Etienne FontanSo you never know where your journey starts. How's that for fun? I love it. I appreciate it.

3:10:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI appreciate your journey.

3:10:28JoshThank you. Thank you for taking your hardships and turning it into a much easier path for so many thousands of people. You've really taken a lot of what has been difficult for you And you have paved paths for other people to make it easier for them. And it's very obvious in every breath that you take. And anyone who knows you knows that this will be, you know, what you will do until you take your last breath.

3:10:57JoshAnd people like you are rare on this planet Earth. Thank you so much.

3:11:10BubblemanIt's time for a big old dab.

3:11:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm really enjoying this forbidden banana. Look at that lime greenie. It's super crystal-y, super... What makes it verboten? Forbidden.

3:11:26BubblemanYes, verboten.

3:11:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's in German. That's true.

3:11:30JoshBecause it's cannabis. We were just talking about that.

3:11:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt does have a forbidden... It does have like a fruit, very much so a fruit punch. Flavor to it, you know, and it really comes through with a little gassy undertone. Like Colin, I also learned a lot about the VA through my father as well. And all of my dad, my dad and both of his brothers from Oakland, California, were all three drafted into the Vietnam War.

3:11:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll three brothers, like, wow. Okay, all three of them? Okay. Luckily, they didn't go to Vietnam. So, you know, my dad was stationed in Korea, you know, and he had this, like, sweet experience over there, you know, and they were shipping LSD in the mail back and forth and weed and opium and stuff, getting opium from Korea. So they ended up staying wild, if you will. And also my dad always really talked about his experience.

3:12:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLike he was, he had a rough childhood growing up in Oakland and then moving to Southern Oregon in high school, like as a California kid from the Bay Area, like 1967 moving into Southern Oregon, it was like, You know, greasers versus social kind of fights and cars and the whole thing. But, you know, and they, I, but I, and then I was, I was raised in that where every single one of my family members and men had always gone to war.

3:13:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think it's just the way it is. You know what I mean? And then my parents kind of became like, well, what happened over there in Vietnam? And they started going like, I like being like a hippie and like with weed and starting to be connected to the earth, you know what I mean? So that I'm born in Southern Oregon in this era of Well, you can be a revolutionary and live out in the woods and like grow medicine.

3:13:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know what I mean? Like we brought seeds back, you know, like we, we, we learned some shit over there. It wasn't just about war. You know, we learned about like medicine and bringing weed back. I think I got like inoculated into the concept, like I'm kind of like a front lines warrior type thing, but that, you know, that chose not to go to war, you know?

3:13:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd so I broke that one chain of like, okay, so, but I dedicated myself like almost like that same type of focus or like to just being on this path that we've lived And so it was, I feel like, you know, maybe that's luck or maybe it's whatever it is, you know, but, and just respecting all like paths in life and where you come from. Like, I didn't come from a lot either.

3:14:30Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, I came from like minimal. And then it was just like, oh, I'm just like.

3:14:35BubblemanWhen minimal was enough.

3:14:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt was just enough. It was just enough to grow a garden. We didn't, we didn't call it minimal. What's that?

3:14:46BubblemanWe didn't call it minimal. It's just minimal now. Yeah.

3:14:51SpeakerWell, that's the point of when we say like your world expanding. So I always joke with people, I'll be 35 in less than a month. As a millennial, I remember very much growing up without the internet. I remember when we got our first answering machine and that expanded communication with the outside world. Then we got cable television when I got older. That expanded communication with the outside world.

3:15:18SpeakerSo as you continue to expand, now your world is way bigger. So now you're comparing Something that you didn't know was minimal, drinking out of your neighbor's fire hose, you know, when you were outside playing. But now you can see the rest of the world and you have a comparison. So now your labeling is minimal. And I think that's one of the big issues with social media is that comparison of things you used to be okay with likely would be fine with if you didn't constantly have a measuring stick being like pointed in your face.

3:15:49ColinYeah.

3:15:52ColinDr. Mark, is that a ES-335 then? What's going on there?

3:16:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYou playing an acoustic though? Oh, me? No, that's the Epiphone, right?

3:16:09ColinIs that a 335?

3:16:10Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it's the Epiphone. It's the Casino, right? This is John Lennon's guitar from Revolver, right? Geez, what did you pay?

3:16:22BubblemanLike $17 million for that John Lennon guitar? Oh, no. It's not John Lennon.

3:16:28Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm just saying it's that same...

3:16:30BubblemanIt's John Lennon's. You know the one he played on Revolver? It's the same model. I know. I'm joking. It sounded awesome. Trust me. I was like, holy shit. Just come in with a $17 million guitar. Yeah, I bought this one at auction. Patents, hydrogenated cannabis patents are doing really well. I'm...

3:16:51BubblemanI'm crushing it. I love it.

3:16:54ColinThis is one of 10.

3:16:56BubblemanMan, I can feel, I can feel it. I can hear it and feel it.

3:17:09ColinCan you play something, buddy?

3:17:18Dr Mark ScialdoneI saw it that I couldn't play loud enough like it wouldn't come through. I don't know. Let me see. Did you hear that?

3:17:25ColinNot really. It's funny because the new microphone... Oh, we did this before, yeah.

3:17:31Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, we tried this. I even tried this with my brand new internet microphone. It just doesn't work.

3:17:37Etienne FontanYou need a flat mic. These new mics are... The worst part is, I think it is, Dr. Shallon, it's a Zoom setting. It is a Zoom setting. Yeah, it's a Zoom setting for the audio. And unfortunately, this isn't a very audio built platform. It's very much visual, unfortunately. And yeah, definitely spark it out. Yeah.

3:17:59Dr Mark ScialdoneNow, it's just really difficult, again, to even get it real time. Like, I was playing for someone and they were like, Oh, I could hear like every other note. And it's like, Oh, Even with their, you know, a really, well, I don't say it's a really good mic, but I got one of these, you know, like one of these official USB mics, you know. I mean, supposedly that was going to solve the problem and the delay and all that, but no.

3:18:26Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's no substitute to being in the room. That's basically what it comes down to.

3:18:35BubblemanTrue story.

3:18:40BubblemanWell, I'm looking forward to the winter coming here soon. We'll get a bit of fall to deal with, which is great because it's foraging season. I'll pick so many different kinds of mushrooms all around my property, left, right, in whatever direction I go. They'll be producing and then the snow will fall in November and I will begin my... Annual obsession with the snow and the mountains being outside.

3:19:07Dr Mark ScialdoneWhen are you back in Quebec next, Mark?

3:19:10BubblemanI'll probably go there in a couple of weeks. In about 14 days, I think I'll be back.

3:19:15Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, let's connect offline on that. We'll see if Brian could make it. But Colin, you know, let's get it dialed in. Road trip to Canada. What are we doing here?

3:19:25ColinLet's do it. I'll come over there, Brian. Yeah, get Brian.

3:19:30Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, we'll get like all four of us to come up or three of us, but get all four of us together and that'd be something else, right?

3:19:38BubblemanThat would be pretty cool, actually. That would be probably a Montreal thing. We would not want to be staying in the little village township that I was staying in at the same hotel. We'd probably want to go into Montreal and do it there.

3:19:55Dr Mark ScialdoneWhatever, it's like about an hour, hour and a half away, so.

3:19:57BubblemanYeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Montreal is, it's less than two hours, I think, for you to get to Montreal.

3:20:05Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's right, yeah. Some people actually, like, if they fly, like, you could fly from Burlington Airport here in Vermont, but typically, like, if you're flying, like, to L.A., that's easily $100 or $1,000 U.S. round trip. But flying round trip to Montreal... Is only like about half that price. So it's kind of like, you know, if you want to drive a little bit farther across the border and fly into Montreal, it's just got a lot more one way.

3:20:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, if you fly in and out of Burlington, you're going to connect somewhere probably. Yeah, of course. One way. And so I know a lot of people who do that.

3:20:49BubblemanI bet. Yeah. Probably a thing. Plus the value of your money in Canada is obviously, you know, you're gaining that 35 cents on every dollar.

3:21:01Dr Mark ScialdoneMight as well, you know. I know that the businesses on this side of the border, Marcus, are like really seeing a drop like this summer in particular. You know, we see them all the time. In fact, I was gassing up at the Costco today and behind me, in front of me, two Quebec license plates, you know.

3:21:21BubblemanSo I know they did destroy our economy here in the last few years. So it's Canada's been been hit pretty hard in the sense I know like it seems like there's less Canadians traveling in the world.

3:21:36Dr Mark ScialdoneYes. Yeah. Well, the border towns like in Vermont, there's St. Albans and and And Newport are, are definitely seeing like a downtick. Like a lot of their main street, you know, restaurants were, you know, like it or not, Canadians come over with money and they want to spend, you know, um, And those were important, you know, just waiter, waitress, you know, dishwasher jobs, cook jobs. I mean, those people need a tourism income and the border towns in particular get really hard because I think Canadians are pretty willing to come to the U.S. and spend their hard-earned dollars down there.

3:22:23BubblemanWell, it's just that they don't have any hard-earned dollars to spend. It's not even that. Like, if it worked the other way around, I promise you this. If Canadian dollars gave you $1.30 to $1.40 if you went to America, you would see so many Canadians down there. It would be absolutely... Like, it's all based on the value of our dollar more than anyone's politics or anything else.

3:22:49BubblemanThey're just... There's there's Canada's been utterly ripped a new one for our economy. It's pretty.

3:22:58Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. So can we assume that the Canadians that do come over in this environment are probably well to do and have.

3:23:05BubblemanI would say so they're ones not being affected by it. It's only probably, I don't know, maybe 70 or 80 percent of the country. I'm sure there's probably a solid 20 that are completely unaffected by, you know, by this. It mostly affects, you know, the middle class and the lower class. Those are the classes that are getting utterly, well, it's just like, I drove by a 49-year restaurant, one of my favorite restaurants in West Vancouver the other day, and it's gone.

3:23:37BubblemanNow, I can't say that they went bankrupt or anything, but they're definitely gone. They're not, you know, they're not doing it anymore. There's tons of restaurants in our city of Vancouver that have gone bankrupt, that have gone out of business from just the hurting economy.

3:23:55BubblemanSeems like it happened pretty consistently after, you know, like shutting down the whole world for a couple of years there was pretty intense. Nobody really knew how it was going to affect everybody and different people were affected differently by it. You know, young people that were in high school and they were affected a certain way. People who were working jobs were affected a different way, but definitely had a big effect here in Canada.

3:24:18BubblemanThere's no doubt about that.

3:24:19Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, and some restaurants, to be quite frank, Marcus, they just can't keep employees because who sees a future making minimum wage? It's like you can't say, hey, I could advance in this job or something like that. It's difficult for small mom and pop kind of restaurants and things to stay alive Thank you for watching.

3:25:08BubblemanThe Brooklyn crew there, BH Photo, right? That whole, like those motherfuckers are buying $100 million worth of shit at a time. They sell shit cheaper than Canon, cheaper than Nikon, cheaper than Sony. I'm like, what the fuck? So I end up buying my camera equipment from them because I didn't want to pay twice as much from the local guy just because he so I inadvertently helped put that guy out of business.

3:25:32BubblemanEvery time you shop on Amazon, you literally, it was kind of like, it's not always a bad thing taking out a good thing, you know, like I saw it with like, when I saw Hillary Black start the Compassion Club. She inadvertently had no idea how many mom and pop dealers she was putting out of business. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't her intention to put mom and pop dealers out of business.

3:25:55BubblemanBut when she opened that club and it became such a focal point and so many people were like, no, this is a good thing. It became like, this is who we're supporting. This is where we're going. And all the people around that that were kind of like paying their mortgage and doing a little bit of this on the side, that shit dried up. So that was kind of the first voice of people I heard that weren't stoked on the Compassion Club.

3:26:19BubblemanI was like, how could you not be stoked on the Compassion Club? It's like, well, yeah, but Hillary's not profiting. So she may have taken your profit, but she gave it back to the people who were suffering in the first place. So that's pretty righteous.

3:26:35Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, free enterprise always has that issue that it can It can be beneficial to the masses but often ends up being you know drained into someone's bank account and you know you don't you you can't quell the opportunity because certainly like even in cannabis a lot of people get in because they think that oh We're going to make money like my weed dealer always had a nice car or something like that.

3:27:07Dr Mark ScialdoneLike all of a sudden it's going to be the loaves and the fishes and I'm going to make a ton of money. Yet, I don't know if you've seen this, but every once in a while, the MJ Biz Daily will take a snapshot of, you know, all the publicly traded. These are obviously Canadian companies, right? And show their numbers and they're all in the red. Every single one of them.

3:27:31Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's only like one multi-state operator that's a public corporation in the cannabis industry today that's in the green. I think it's Green Thumb, GTI. I think every other company, they're all in the red. And it's like, oh my God, like is selling weed that much expensive? Unprofitable that these companies are running in the red constantly and basically taking money from shareholders and not delivering on, you know, what their business targets are in terms of profit.

3:28:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, I don't know. Just seems like it's these companies are are kind of like Ponzi schemes.

3:28:17BubblemanMaybe not. Maybe not. Maybe so. Maybe so. Maybe not.

3:28:22Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, let's write a song. Maybe so. Maybe not.

3:28:29BubblemanOh, my gosh. That one's been written. Yeah, it has been written.

3:28:33Dr Mark ScialdoneIt has. But am I the only one who thinks like this? I mean, Jesus Christ. It's like, how do you not make money selling wheat?

3:28:44Etienne FontanIt's prohibitionist dollar signs. They're all living off the idea that we're still making $6,000 a pound, and they forget that farming is a race to the bottom. In every other agronomic situation, it's a race to the bottom.

3:29:02ColinThe most expensive part about cannabis, Dr. Mark, is the cultivation aspect, right? And I think that's where... Most do not know the true cost per pound. They have a rough idea, but they may not nail it. And I think that's a trickle down that sometimes flows into the lab where they don't know because like whatever reason. But as I think Marcus said earlier, like, you know, you have to really understand the difference between just making hash for fun as a hobby and making it into a business.

3:29:40ColinAnd it becomes You know, a blend of different disciplines, you know what I mean? And because really, you know, that most sometimes don't have in their teams and some rise and some fall due to those things. You know, not everybody can be good at everything, you know?

3:29:58Dr Mark ScialdoneThanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.

3:30:19Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, having, you know, again, kind of, you know, the, the, the grown to a certain critical mass, Colin, where again, yeah, the most expensive piece of that, I think what were we just talking about? I forget, maybe it was ATN was mentioning it, is really is the human capital piece of it, right? And again, it goes back to the original premise of the conversation, which is that if you're only making 15 or $16 an hour, it's difficult to,

3:30:48Dr Mark ScialdoneTo commit yourself to, hey, you know what? I could do this for 30 years of my life and actually, you know, raise a family and buy a home and, you know, achieve the American dream. It's like there's so much. I don't know what. What do you have to say? I mean, like right now, I mean, when you go to the grocery store, shit, everything's expensive. You know, we just bought 91% alcohol.

3:31:18Dr Mark ScialdoneJust a bottle this big is like six bucks. Shit, just like two or three years ago, that same bottle was like $2. Now it's like six bucks. It's like there's just so much inflation and so much pressure, again, on every... Value chain and every supply chain. You know, I think ever since COVID, ever since those, you know, days when you go in and there'd be no toilet paper at the grocery store.

3:31:46Dr Mark ScialdoneNow I think, you know, everything is more expensive, right? I'm sure it's not just me. I mean, I did the grocery shopping for my household, and we're just two people, just myself and my wife. My daughter occasionally comes over for a meal or two. But even just like us, groceries for a week is like $200, $250. And I look at what I took away from the store, Colin, was like three or four bags of stuff.

3:32:14Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's like... Your dollar doesn't go as far as it does. And maybe, again, that's just a sign of the times. Again, someone was saying in the chat about tariffs. I don't know. Are tariffs really affecting grocery prices?

3:32:31ColinYeah, they think it affects everything. I mean, it affects like everything.

3:32:36BubblemanBut grocery prices like tripled before tariffs were even a thing, like at least here in Canada, for sure. Well, during COVID. Yeah, but it never went back down, dude. They just kept it up there. Right. They just say supply chain issues. That's what they call it. They said COVID for a while and then that changed to supply chain issues. It's the ultimate excuse. It's like, damn.

3:32:59ColinWell, that's what's like happening now. Like, you know, 12 bucks for a bar of packaging. It's like, oh, well, it's delayed. You know what I mean? Jars. I mean, but Dr. Mark, like something you said about GTI, like that guy, those guys that run that, it's like, It's the Hennessy family, basically. So they've been like positioning themselves since like the very beginning in ways that like a lot of people are just now starting to think, right?

3:33:27ColinBecause they have a brain trust and a deep knowledge of how to do CPG in a way that is just... So, you know, it's like, it's, it's insane. It's like they, they divested this thing out and then they positioned it to go on the stock market. So when it goes federal, they have a vehicle that doesn't touch the plant. It's like, It's just like when I, when someone sat down and explained all this to me, I just couldn't even believe, I was just like, oh my gosh, this is a game that none of us, it's so, it's so beyond us that we're playing a different, on a different playing field almost, if that makes sense.

3:34:17ColinAnd that's why he's so successful is because they have such a large team around them that knows how to move the pieces around.

3:34:29Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I think like if you think about businesses like MedMed, I think they're a convenient, you know, example of like everything that can possibly go wrong with people at the top that were basically just skimming, you know, beautiful, you know, lifestyles, right? Let's face it, you know, right? These guys like, you know, Beerman and company were basically just like robbing from shareholders Ponzi scheme, right? The self-enriching Ponzi scheme that again, you know, unfortunately kind of tarred cannabis in a negative way.

3:35:06Dr Mark ScialdoneBut like, if you just look at the overall profitability, just in terms of like What it costs to get a license, what it costs to hire a team to get genetics and basically from the ground up build a cannabis production business. You should be profitable in just a handful of years. And ultimately, you should be able to create even in a state regulated market, even a small market.

3:35:35Dr Mark ScialdoneHere in Vermont, you know, a 10 to $50 million business. Now I'm just talking about, you know, again, just doing like everything by the book and, you know, not needing to basically fluff things up for an acquisition where you're exiting by basically being acquired by some multi-state operator, just a regular standalone cannabis processing business. I know a few people who got into the Vermont market. We know some common people, right?

3:36:04Dr Mark ScialdoneDon't we, Colin? Um, and certainly like, if you look at like, like the California market, for example, I mean, there's just, it's so much different when you're producing and there's basically like, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:36:47Dr Mark ScialdoneAre you fucking kidding me? Don't kid yourself.

3:36:50ColinMost of them, it's all like, it's, you know, most of them have been just shut. It's not like it was. Really?

3:36:58Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Well, that's news. I'm looking forward, you know, we're, Fish is obviously playing in Manhattan, then Madison Square Garden, 28th, 29th, and My birthday the 29th and the 30th and 31st. So we'll be down in Manhattan again. I'll make sure to give a report back on Hash Church. I don't think that market's gone anywhere. You could still go to a local place, get a copy of the New York Times, get a ham, egg and cheese on a roll and get a half ounce of weed.

3:37:28Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm telling you, all you got to do is ask for it. They may not be a trap shop anymore, but there were like smoke shops that were selling everything from Delta A to HHC to, you know, nicotine products, Kratom, all kinds of shit, you know?

3:37:44ColinAnd, you know, there's always going to be the local corner guy doing, that's been forever, but like, it's not like it was where it's like Cush Bros, like big signs and It's really, yeah, it's a little different. It's a different world now. Okay. Spend a bit of time.

3:38:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll take your word for it. Yeah, I've been in the city in a year, so I'll report back. I go down there every week. Hey, come to the fish show. What are you doing New Year's Eve?

3:38:18ColinActually, we should link. There's a box that... Let's go.

3:38:22Dr Mark ScialdoneCome on now.

3:38:23ColinWe'll have to get linked up, but... I'd love to see you.

3:38:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, let's go. Come on.

3:38:29ColinBut yeah, like, I don't know. I think like I'd like to see this all go back to like what you're talking about to me is like a single operator, like guys like us that like we've done a lot of different things and we got some friends around us that are super talented and we could all bring it together and be like, you know, manage a simple canopy of like maybe, you know, 10,000, 12,000 square feet or something.

3:38:54ColinYou know, but like these other guys are running hundreds of thousands of square feet and you know what I mean? It's a different world. I'd like to see you go back to this, you know, smaller world where you could, many producers are producing different varieties and because this idea of this, like the large, large scale, I get why from a financial point of view you'd want to do that, but I just don't see it from a market point of view, how it like sustains itself as we see it on TV.

3:39:27ColinYeah. So, but, but yeah, you know, like each, each market, as Marcus said earlier, like you can get a gram in Michigan for 40, two grams for 40 bucks. In New York, it's like 90 bucks still, you know, and I can't even believe that, you know, so. It's a, you know, every market to market. And then Maine is a great market. There's a lot of shout out to the growers up there and producers, everybody up there.

3:39:59ColinIt's a, you know, self-contained thing.

3:40:03Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, so. Yeah, well, I mean, I think the good thing about, you know, this area, I mean, certainly like New York, Vermont, Maine, yeah, there's been good cannabis tradition here for a long, long, long, long time. And even if they try to go schedule three, there's nothing that's going to happen to these growers who've been growing up in these mountains forever. And yeah, it's the same thing probably in the Kootenays, same thing in the, you know, Triangle.

3:40:30Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I don't know how the weather's been out in the triangle. You know, we've had somewhat of a drought here. I mean, the lake level here, Lake Champlain is down to like 92.3 feet, which is super low. It hasn't been this low in more than 20 years.

3:40:48ColinReally dry. I mean, there's rain in the forecast here once in this next week.

3:40:53Dr Mark ScialdoneI'll walk out by the lake.

3:40:55ColinOther than that, it's really dry. So like this, there's people that are growing outside right now. I mean, It's an amazing year. I mean, what a great year on the East Coast. It's dry. Do you find it's been a little heavy? You know, like it's been like 26%, but like there are nights that it's like nine, you know? So you get that morning dew. That's a big heavy thing.

3:41:20ColinThat's where PM sets in.

3:41:22Dr Mark ScialdoneI love a good morning dew.

3:41:24ColinYeah, me too. Likewise.

3:41:28Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, can you see the lake?

3:41:30ColinYeah.

3:41:31Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, it's pretty beautiful. I can see it.

3:41:36Etienne FontanIt's awesome.

3:41:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, this is what I'm looking at every day.

3:41:41Etienne FontanOh, that's terrible.

3:41:43Dr Mark ScialdoneThere's some people fishing off the island.

3:41:45Etienne FontanTerribly motivating.

3:41:47Dr Mark ScialdoneI wonder what they're fishing for.

3:41:50Etienne FontanCompliments.

3:41:54ColinWe're going to lose him.

3:41:57Etienne FontanHe went too far away.

3:41:58ColinToo far away.

3:41:59Etienne FontanToo far away from the internet. The internet's like, no, no. There you are. That's gorgeous, Mark. Okay, now I'm coming back. eBay?

3:42:13Dr Mark ScialdoneI just painted it myself.

3:42:17Etienne FontanYou should paint that, actually, but... No, I mean, I found my place on Craigslist, oddly enough.

3:42:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, no, I think we did find this on Craigslist. Now that I think of it, I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Craigslist find.

3:42:37Etienne FontanIt's awesome. Anyway, that's what you look at while you're working. That's your motivational viewpoint.

3:42:45Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, this is my office. Basically.

3:42:47Etienne FontanYeah.

3:42:48Dr Mark ScialdoneI got my instruments over here. Got my guitars over there. You know, I got some good artwork here on the wall. I don't know if you can see the artwork. It's pretty inspiring. Let's see. We got dogs over here. These guys want to go out.

3:43:09Etienne FontanThey're like, you were just outside. Can we go outside now?

3:43:12Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Can we go outside?

3:43:14Etienne FontanExactly. We heard the door. P.S. Do you have snacks, dad?

3:43:25SpeakerSo good. Those two.

3:43:29BubblemanThey look pretty happy. Well, I somehow, while sitting on my phone trying to make sure my son wasn't going over his hour of screen time today, locked my own phone. And now can't use any of my own apps. But in my defense, because I am the administrator, I have an option that says ignore time limit. But I don't want to ignore the time limit. I want to turn it off completely because every single app on my phone is like, you've used all your time for today.

3:44:05BubblemanI'm like, damn, how did I, how did I do this? This is fucking hilarious. You dadded yourself out, huh? I dadded myself out, man. I got all dadded out, dude. I thought I was doing good, and apparently, I'm not.

3:44:24Etienne FontanSo these are the perils of the new technology of dealing with children. Must be. It must be. Manage plan. See, look what you're looking forward to there, Colin.

3:44:40ColinSpeaking of dadding, I got to roll in a minute. Um, but yeah, no, I know, man. It's like, what are you using? Like Opal or something? Like I have a friend, a bunch of my friends that play music, they use this app called Opal that'll just like lock them out of their apps to help them like focus.

3:44:59BubblemanOh yeah.

3:44:59ColinSo they don't like get sucked into whatever when they're doing whatever.

3:45:03BubblemanThe phone does it by itself. You can do it with the phone without an app.

3:45:08Etienne FontanReally? So creatives are using blocks for themselves so they don't affect their creative or focus their creative energies. Wow. I hadn't thought of that.

3:45:17ColinI used to do that all the time, but like I turned the internet off on my computer. Like if I was working on a workstation and then I would check my phone and put it in another room and turn it off.

3:45:29Etienne FontanRight.

3:45:29ColinIn that way, there's no excuse other than to be present. You know?

3:45:36Etienne FontanTotally.

3:45:38BubblemanWell, listen, you guys, I'm also going to cut it a little shy today, but I definitely want to thank you guys for popping in on me. I did a 35-minute monologue this morning. It was pretty fun. I got to talk about the history of Waterhash by myself in the room to Closet Grower, I believe it was. But yeah, I want to thank Puffco, who has released a new proxy.

3:46:03BubblemanHopefully, we'll have that in hand sooner than later, and we'll all be puffing on one of those, enjoying that. Shout out to the Press Club for all their support as well. Both of those groups have been wonderful sponsors for Hash Church as well as Bubble Bags, which Mark Rose did mention in the chat room, have been slashed. I think the prices are literally 50% of what they were.

3:46:24BubblemanSo go check those out. Everything is still the same in regards to the quality, just a little bit cheaper. And may the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. I'll say to everyone watching, I hope you have a wonderful rest of your Sunday. And we'll talk to everyone later. Peace out.