Nano Holograms, THCA Science and Microscopy

0:02Collin PalmerAll right.

0:16BubblemanWell, there we go. Look at that. I think we're live here. Let's just make sure. Yes, there we are. Welcome, everybody. I've just got to shut down about 10 different pages. There we go. Welcome, everybody, to Hash Church, Season 11, Episode 37. We are just chugging along. I feel like we're in the groove right now. It's quite lovely. And I'm going to get to shouting out our sponsors.

0:45BubblemanGive me a few seconds here and welcome everyone who's in the room. Nice and early, all the regulars who always hold it down. Oh, so wonderfully. And we appreciate you. So thanks for being here today on another Sunday morning. Just going to send out a couple of quick poppers here.

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4:16BubblemanSo we sort of missed the boat on that. But I'm sure you'll be able to check them out at puffco.com. And who knows, maybe we'll end up with one in our hands here at one point in time. Good morning, Caleb. How are you doing?

4:28SpeakerGood morning. I am doing well.

4:30BubblemanI don't hear you. So that must mean I'm not connected to my AirPods. But I do have my microphone going. I can hear you loud and clear. Beautiful. And I could just hear you say you could hear me loud and clear. How you doing, man?

4:46SpeakerGood. I've got going to be jumping off soon, driving out to Hay Fork for the Trinity County Fair later today.

4:54BubblemanDamn, you get to do all the fun stuff, hey?

4:57SpeakerYeah. Hay Fork is a very interesting place. It was my first time there on Thursday. They're actually, I think, the first county fair to have cannabis judging. So they did it like back when the state fair was first starting. I think this is their third year doing it. And it's just like every other fair competition. Like all the farmers are competing for $25 in a ribbon. And that's where the real competition for bragging rights.

5:29BubblemanI like that. I like that. Well, that's state fair style, right? Why wouldn't you stick with the sort of the historical context of what you've been doing for forever? That's so classic. I got the state fair badge for my pig.

5:44Stephen PhilpottIt was a big heifer.

5:45BubblemanIt was a big heifer. That's so cool, man. Man, I must be getting old to think that that's cool. I definitely am. I got some nice hash balls. That's a nice hash ball. Yeah, this one is a mix of CBD material and THC material. So it's very, very hard. I can bounce it.

6:13SpeakerLike a one-to-one?

6:15BubblemanIt is actually a little bit more. It was, I'd have to go and look at the final test, but I used 65% of the SIFT came from CBD, but it wasn't just CBD. It was a 16, it was a one-to-one CBD. It was 16% CBD, 16% THC. The other one I used 35% of, it was like a sativa, and it was actually about... 25% THC on the SIFT.

6:45BubblemanSo it was a 25 plus a 16 on THC and a 16. So it's more like a two and a bit to one, but very, very hard when you use THC with CBD. CBD is incredibly hard. Whereas this one I made with just, oh fuck, this one doesn't even want to come out, man.

7:11BubblemanI didn't get it. Oh, there we go. You can see a real nice sheen. Yeah. And you can also see how soft it is. I could just poke my fingers right into it and roll it back into a perfect ball. It is absolutely beautiful. Traditional style hashish. You know, look at that big bad boy.

7:39SpeakerOh, we're talking about these ratio things. Some friends that went to Spanibus, when they came back, I guess they magically had some hash that they purchased in Amsterdam. Oh, yeah. They had some Nepali hash and some Moroccan hash that actually had a COA on it. And the cannabinoid test showed that it was like both of them actually had the same terpene profile and cannabinoid profile that was like five to one THC to CBD.

8:11SpeakerWow. And always wondered, like, because some of the researchers say that, like, All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

8:46SpeakerAll right, so we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to go ahead

9:15SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

9:43BubblemanEveryone with the sheen just from the bag. And you can see how soft it is that even the harder hash, it flattens out while it's sitting.

9:52SpeakerUnder the force of gravity.

9:54BubblemanIt just flattens out under the force of gravity.

10:01BubblemanOopsie. Hey, how you doing, Jeff?

10:11SpeakerWhat up, bubble man? What up? How the hell are you? I am really fucking awesome.

10:21BubblemanAm I allowed to say that here? No, you have to be kicked off now. I'm sorry. That's fucking, un-fucking acceptable. Just fucking coming on here with your sailor mouth. Well, galdurn. Galdarney, Galdarney. Galdarney, I should have been more careful. I've been showing off these balls of hash that I made recently when I was visiting this new facility. So this is a stabilization test. I need to let these sit for a couple of months at room temperature and play with them every once in a while and make sure that I stabilize them properly because stabilizing hash As a chemist, you might understand this is not easy.

11:02BubblemanThis shit does not want to be stable. It just wants to be volatile. That's what it wants.

11:09SpeakerAh, that's interesting. Yeah, so you're trying to get like a good, it's basically like kind of a crust on it, right? Like, is it, or is it more complicated? Exactly.

11:17BubblemanNo, no, you kind of nailed it. And the reason I want the crust is I've been working with a good friend of mine who's a bloody genius and he works in holography. And I've probably shown my hologram before, but I can show it again real quick here. Just to kind of give you an idea, his family's been doing holography for 40 years. So these aren't like, this is real holographies, like in a serious way.

11:47BubblemanSo this is the sticker right here. The camera doesn't do it justice because you need two eyes for a hologram to work properly. That's how the brain translates. So you're just seeing kind of half the image and he's just moving the light.

12:00SpeakerBut I can see the complexity of it.

12:02BubblemanOh, dude, it's ridiculous how complex it is.

12:06SpeakerI'm already really impressed with it. And I can see as you move, I can see the way it's catching light. Really gives me a sense of the depth that you'll have in 2D. Okay, so then, so that is the sticker that he's done.

12:20BubblemanYeah, yeah, that's the sticker that he's done for the counterfeiting, you know, the labels that you would put on to avoid counterfeiting, because you absolutely will avoid counterfeiting with this particular technology. He already sells it. It's super advanced, bro. Like, he's already doing this on a super high level. Now, I'm trying, and it's a A bit of a tough one to find, but I want to show you this other one that he did for me.

12:44BubblemanAnd I think you guys will find it very, very interesting. It's mind blowing, really. But it's like the most like nondescript. Okay, there it is. Super easy to not find.

12:59BubblemanSo here we go. I want to show you this. So this is the same hologram. And I don't know if I've shared the sound. Can you hear my friend talking? Food grade silicon? Fucking lasts forever. How crazy that this image can be transmitted over and over again, thousands of times. So what you're looking at is a food grade silicone holographic stamp. It can be stamped into THCA, which it will stay there for a very long time because of the crystalline lattice.

13:34BubblemanNow, if you put it into hash that has a skin that you've aged, We should be able to have this image. And this is there's no ink on this for people that are confused. All it's doing is these tanny nanite structures are creating light and color from diffracting the light the same way you would see it, you know, on the Pink Floyd album where the light is going into the prism and then the clear light and then it's coming out as all the colors.

14:05BubblemanSo it took my brain a long time to wrap that there is no there's nothing there. It's just this nanoparticle structure.

14:13SpeakerIt's called a photonic effect. It comes from the fact that there are ordered periodic structures embedded in there that have dimensions that are similar to the dimensions and resonant with dimensions of particular wavelengths of visible light. So wavelengths of visible light are also expressed in nanometers and visible light is in the hundreds of nanometers wavelength. Exactly.

14:41BubblemanSo we had Ori on, my good buddy, who's the inventor of this, and he spoke to this a little bit. But, you know, we want to bring this to the cannabis world, both from, I'll tell you, he had a really good idea. That's cool.

14:55SpeakerYou know, some of those techniques were actually invented in my postdoc advisor's lab. The nano printing with silicone.

15:05BubblemanYeah. Yeah. So you can't do it really on chocolate because it disappears. The surface of chocolate is too volatile and it shifts and melts and the stamp just disappears in a second. But you can do it on THCA. We spoke about Thank you so much.

15:41BubblemanIt's temperature sensitive. So if it goes under a certain temperature and the surface of the THC melts, the hologram disappears. So you could know by opening your little jar of hash, maybe it would be a five gram baller jar, and you have this little quarter gram disc of THCA that just sits on top that tells you this hash has been at this temperature.

16:04SpeakerThat is so cool. Isn't that cool? That is literally like a white sides group research project. That's exactly what they would have done. Like, I love it. That's so cool.

16:16BubblemanYeah, man.

16:17SpeakerScience.

16:19BubblemanWell, look, I said science.

16:21SpeakerI said the word science and who needs kind of like, I believe it's more like engineering in a way, but it's science-ish. It's referring a lot to science. I mean, engineering is awesome too. Absolutely.

16:33BubblemanI think it's brilliant. Absolutely. I think they both are inventors.

16:37SpeakerYou're pioneers. You know, you know, got to get it done, man.

16:41BubblemanI think it's a cool thing. It's a cool thing to bring to the world a little a little. Yeah, it's it's it's it's unique because people will not be able to wrap their heads around it. They're going to be like, oh, You know, I, uh, yeah, that's, uh, there's ink on there. I wouldn't smoke that. It's like, there's no ink, but you have a hard time explaining to someone.

17:04SpeakerPhotonic color is when they're that bright. When you're just, there's no dye there. It's no, it's. There's really basically two mechanisms for giving color to something. One is a resonant mechanism with a dye in some way, and the other is a non-resonant mechanism, which is photonics. But there are birds' feathers that have their color from structures like that, and they don't have a dye.

17:35BubblemanYep, I've seen that.

17:36SpeakerThere are birds feathers that look kind of neat and iridescent metallic kind of shifting colors, right? And that's coming from the same kind of effect.

17:47BubblemanIt's incredible when you think of that these colors are just coming from the light out of the sky, that there's no printing on here. There's no, you know, and because of the way a hologram works, you really need both eyes to like click it in. You can see on the sheet here how the light.

18:05SpeakerOh, that's really great quality. I mean, you know, it's really hard to make that work.

18:11BubblemanListen, it's not even funny how hard it is to make it work. When he first posted it, people are like, oh, I can do that. I've done it on chocolate. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, this is not the same. He also thought, how fucking cool. By the way, welcome, Dr. Mark Sheldon. We're happy to have you here today. Hey, what's up?

18:31BubblemanWe're just talking holograms. And I think that it's very cool that yeah, just the concept of holography and how old school hash was always stamped with that sort of gold stamp. And now we have the new school way where it's like we could put a gold stamp on the middle of a fucking I got a nice thing recently. I got a day break. I went for it.

19:19BubblemanIt's such a nice unit, bro. Did you get the red one of these with it and all that?

19:24SpeakerYeah.

19:24BubblemanHell yeah, dude.

19:25SpeakerYeah, yeah. I got the Daybreak with all the Daybreak feet, you know, with all the Daybreak accessories. So I guess, yeah. I guess I'm turning it into a little bit like a sneaker head, but for rigs.

19:45BubblemanYeah, I'm with you, dude. I'm not going to lie. I fucking love them. I think it's great. I particularly love when I'm turning people on to dabs for the first time. What I like is the lack of... Thank you for joining us.

20:24BubblemanYou know, like, sure, the Puffco's not cheap. It's not a hundred dollar tool or whatever. You spend money on it for sure. But fuck if it's not such an incredible little unit, man. I'm telling you, from the mountain to the boat. This is a work of art. It really is. It's really beautiful. I see people bashing them still. Someone was like, oh, thank you to my friends who did an intervention and got me off Puffco.

20:47BubblemanI'm like, dude, I puff the Puffco not 24-7, but it's a convenience thing that fits into my schedule. If I'm out and about, I generally carry three of them, a Puffco, a Pivot, and a Proxy, because they're all a little different. They're all battery operated, so I'm not going to blame Puffco when I forget the fucking... Thank you for watching.

21:34BubblemanI've been sending me videos of what he's got going on in Maine and it's so fucking beautiful. And we've, I don't know why we've had such difficulty. I had to get them to send them through WeTransfer. I had to get them to send them through this fucking thing, through that fucking thing. Anyway, I have some of these, you know why? Tell me why.

21:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsI think it's the not getting along between the Android and the iPhone, perhaps. Yeah, for sure. I've done prepaid Android for like 20 years, pretty much not breaking that trend there.

22:07BubblemanThat's hilarious.

22:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou got the burner phone. Yeah, since I moved to Humble, I went burner and I haven't gone back. It's just easier. But I think they're not communicating well.

22:17BubblemanI think you're right. I think that's why a lot of people use WhatsApp because that sort of connects those two devices. You can send texts and all this sort of stuff. But I've got some of these anyway, dude. I don't know how many I have. I think I have quite a few actually. Why don't we go through some of these and you can kind of walk us through.

22:37BubblemanDude, they're so fucking beautiful, dude. It's absolutely beautiful. Thank you. What's that?

22:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you. Thanks for saying that. Yeah.

22:46BubblemanI'll tell you one thing. You can see that you put fucking labor into this. So let's start out with fucking rainbow baller. I call this one. I call this one rainbow baller because there's a beautiful rainbow and you're like, oh, look at the beautiful rainbow. But you don't fucking realize he's got these giant fucking plants at the bottom of the rainbow.

23:10SpeakerThose gotta be fucking five to ten counters, man. I mean, it doesn't take you that long to notice the gold at the bottom of the rainbow, but yeah. It doesn't.

23:16BubblemanBut look at that fucking full rainbow, bro.

23:17SpeakerIt's a spectacular photograph.

23:19BubblemanThank you for watching.

23:40Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd it was a fully.

23:42BubblemanI don't think you could have gone to a better thing either after the rainbow. This just beautiful line of fucking colorful sunflowers with like, what do you got? Like marigolds and poppies on the bottom there?

23:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsMan, thanks for noticing. Actually, this is like my third year doing this where I plant between the rock sets with. Yeah, I did. It looks really cool. I love the way that worked. I did Aster Marigold to Sunflower combo. And they mostly popped right now. They're all still popping. And I just geeked out on it literally like every single day. Not light, but every single day. And just having fun with it.

24:22Bryan Best Friend FarmsI enjoy it.

24:23BubblemanDude, it's so pretty, man. And the colors and the like. I'll be honest, like when you showed it to me, it was kind of like kind of like the way your Instagram account is. It just like it just checks the boxes. Like when you see a photo of a beautiful woman or a beautiful car or any type of like just beautiful line, the same as your hash, really, to be honest, I could see it in a in a picture of like a beautiful pizza that was like cooked to perfection.

24:50BubblemanYou know, like it's all of your shit. Is just on point. And I'm guessing it's all that extra work. I think it's actually your passion that I'm seeing because it's like it's the opposite of repellent. It's attractive. It pulls you in like a fucking am I wrong here, guys?

25:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsI just I'm happy that you enjoy it like this, Marcus. It was really like, you know, a special opportunity to share this because I don't actually like I'm a farm hermit more than ever. I doubled down this year ever, dude. Yeah, I double down, but I'm kind of like creeping into my nice little pocket of that and actually loving like the peace and the beautiful colors with the flowers and, you know, the cannabis.

25:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's so nice. It's really pleasant to live in the midst of it. And then again, it's good to share because farm hermit and not too many folks see it. You know, some of my family.

25:41BubblemanWell, it's inspiring for people to see, like even just this simple fucking food bed you have. It's like, Jesus Christ, bro. Can you hear your voice? Can you hear yourself talking? Can you hear yourself talking?

25:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsNot on this video, but I'm sure I'm yapping through all of them.

25:58BubblemanYeah, well, it's just when I share, and I'm going to start it over, I can go like this, and you can go share sound. And so now, let me know if you hear your voice. Yeah, you can hear it.

26:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsChard down the middle dude types of carrots dude like i don't know why but i'm just impressed with how you've planted all your veggies dude that takes time it takes people passing down knowledge and learning and mistakes and like everything looks so healthy bro like what where are the bugs um didn't really see many caterpillars i suppose but a lot of like the companion planting That seems to work out in some of the native weeds and flowers left kind of on the fringe.

26:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsBring in predator types that, you know, they bring in predators.

26:49BubblemanDo you think that's done through their through this language of terpenes and terpenoids?

26:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsI do. I do because that's an interesting thing you bring up because what I see it as is like smell and color. But I'm sure it goes deeper. But like where I hear something along the lines of, you know, hummingbirds will go after a certain terpene. I've heard like vanillin, which actually translates to a nectar that has an effect on them. So almost like they're after it getting nourished, but they're also catching a buzz kind of as a hummingbird, it seems like what they're saying.

27:25Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo then you have like these pretty colors and smells that attract the birds and insects in. But I think it goes, it must obviously go much deeper than just color or smell and tasting where they're even going deeper to get an effect from it. So they're coming in heavy on stuff. Certain things I've noticed pull in. I believe a lot of the birds with the color and the smells actually tames down the insect level.

27:49Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd they take care of a lot of it.

27:52BubblemanColor and smell, frequency and vibration.

27:56Bryan Best Friend FarmsYes. You know, like those things that I'm interested in and watching like a human but earthly kind of animal experiment going on and learning quite a lot with it. And it's handed down my locker. My mom's a big organic farmer, gardener at home. So I grew up with these things and, you know, she'd be proud. She is even so.

28:20BubblemanShe's definitely proud, dude. Are you kidding me?

28:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. Her gardens look great. She's actually still doing it. Loves it. Lives right in the middle of it. So.

28:28BubblemanAll right, let me see if I can get this right. I'm just fucking everything up here. I got pretty high off that Puffco rip, I'm not gonna lie. And then it's funny because when I do this share screen, I don't know if you guys can see it. There's like an annotate button in the bottom left corner. It's a circular green button and it's right where the play button is.

28:47BubblemanSo I can't physically push the play button and it won't let me open. Oh, there we go. There we go. So there we go.

28:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsAll right.

28:58BubblemanA volunteer sunflower. Brassica bed.

29:03Bryan Best Friend FarmsI get all my volunteers. That whole sunflower ring I showed with the rainbows, I call that the ring of fire. Yeah. And I get all the nursery sunnies mostly out of this bed.

29:16BubblemanBrussels sprouts from seed?

29:18Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. I went in early on them. That's from Great Lakes, Greece right there. Calabas?

29:24BubblemanCalabas cabbage?

29:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsYep. Yep.

29:28BubblemanGeez, look at the size of that Brussels sprout. What the hell?

29:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's almost five feet tall. Yeah, it even got bigger. They're just still raging.

29:37BubblemanDude, good on you for growing food like this. This is an inspiration, man. I'm going to fucking do some of this next year and get you to give me some advice.

29:46Bryan Best Friend FarmsI would happily help us, you know, not all just on showing, you know, here. So if there's anything I can do where I'm not, you know, super involved with messaging and stuff like that, you know, multi messaging, but I'm happy to answer questions or help with any of this with anyone with ideas, make it look beautiful. A lot of work in the soil. Thank you. Thank you.

30:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's a labor of love.

30:11BubblemanIt's a labor of love, bro. What do you got? Potatoes?

30:14Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. Lindsay put in some new potatoes. Those only planted like a month ago and the whole bed's full now.

30:21BubblemanLindsay tucking the potatoes in.

30:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know it.

30:25BubblemanLindsay's tucking potatoes into bed.

30:29Bryan Best Friend FarmsThey tucked well. Well done. They tuck well. Those are tomatoes? Those are my, that's my heirloom tomato bed. That was kind of, I'm yapping about it there, but I, it was, um, an effort to go back to the conversation. The first hash church I did where Sam and I talked and Sam asked what kind of heirlooms I had going. So, yeah, Sam, I had to do it.

30:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd Lindsay was sweet where she, you know, popped in the first three tomatoes were the pineapple by color, which was at the time, the one that I answered as my favorite, but, um,

31:02BubblemanDude, thanks for bringing Sam up, by the way. I feel like I never want to stop bringing Sam up or forgetting Sam. I think Sam would appreciate this next one more than anything. See if I can get it open. Let's see if I... Ah, there we go.

31:21Bryan Best Friend FarmsStrawberry Lane here on the left.

31:23BubblemanStrawberry Lane! Dude. Nice and big. The fuck, bro?

31:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, they're like eight or nine feet wide, eight to nine, and they're eight to nine high. It's the health, bro. It's the level of health. I really went down, doubled down on that this year. I watched four years of that Septoria crap around that's everywhere creeping and kind of had it and just applied the reading and the info that I had been picking up, you know, here and there, the algorithm of info.

31:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I applied, I can share a little that might even help. Thank you so much for joining us.

32:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I, mycorrhizae was actually something that I spent some money at the local organic store for some good source mycorrhizae. And I kicked up the population where it's not in nature and it's not receiving those, you know, that continuum. So after that, I used a lot of rot mulch that I bought from the neighbor right next door. So it's local and had mushrooms popping. And anyway, it seemed like the microbial kick up with the protein for them, you know, enough and the healthy top cover mulch seemed to really... With the height of the beds, you know, because that shit, that blight, septoria, it's a bouncer.

33:02BubblemanIt bounces off the ground and it hits the leaves and then it climbs up the fucking plant like the nightmare it fucking is. So really... Just how high you have it. And obviously the mulch is a big one too. Man, that shit is no joke, dude. It's a devastator.

33:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsNo, it is. We got hit really hard. I actually have run strain trials and seen results, but I've only seen about 5% of my progeny. You know, not a lot of plants, but say like, you know, 180 plants to 100 plants of females out of the population that show like a 5% or less type of resistance factor. And it's, it's, but with proper moves, I'm seeing multi strains go healthy.

33:45BubblemanSo how about these African strains, African haze?

33:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm so pumped about these. I wanted to share about like, if you can see it in here and it's continuing to go there for more health kickout and these equatorial strains, both Africans and even the Cuban African, all four have amazing genetic resistance to them where these are 25 gals. They were choked up in threes early with Excuse me, with all the other plants showing these signs actually here and there, I have some resistant ones, but for the most part, they got some attack in the binding, the root binding through the, you know, and these were, these were planted like a month ago and I'm seeing more health.

34:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I'm doing some breeding back just out of even that adaptive, excuse me, resistance factor that's just unquestionable for this equatorial type sativa. It's really amazing.

34:36BubblemanFuck yeah, dude. I gotta say, I love this kind of hash church, man. We gotta get more people to bring in the tasty videos. Even like a video of you, Dr. Mark, in the fucking lab, hydrogenating THC. Like how fucking cool would it be to watch you be able to do that after hearing you fucking talk about it for 10 fucking years?

34:59Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt would be cool. It's kind of boring. Everybody, what they're doing.

35:02BubblemanIt's not boring. No. It's kind of boring, actually, he says. That's fucking cool, man. No, it's cool. Trust me. It's boring to, you know, to maybe you think, but people were like, well, look at this. That's Dr. Mark in the lab. He's got a lab coat on. He's a real scientist.

35:17Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, but it sounds like you're next to an engine or a locomotive or something because there's this chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck. The par shaker, Jeff. So yeah, it's like just this glorified shaker that's shaking away. So yeah, there's some background noise.

35:31SpeakerLabs are noisy and also they tend to be cluttered. So it's a lot more effort than you expect to get good video in them. And I have a lot of experience. I made a whole series of lab videos to teach organic chemistry labs. And I had to do a lot of work cleaning up before I could even start. Because like, yeah, when you somehow like you don't notice when you're taking the picture how much other distracting shit is in the photograph.

36:01BubblemanYou need the 15 year old savant with the phone who just comes in and does all these weird like. And the next thing you know, you have the most epic video ever. There's barely any talking. He's gotten rid of all that bad sound and it's just Jerry 73, like just fucking...

36:20BubblemanYeah.

36:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, you should have seen. It works for something. Sasha Shogan's lab was really super cluttered. I've seen pictures of it. It was ridiculous. It's super, like, there's just flasks with, like, residue on it that's totally, like, not labeled, even, like, with a page number or anything, just some orange residue at the bottom of an unlabeled flask. And at one point, I picked it up and I asked Paul, I'm like...

36:49Dr Mark ScialdoneSo what do you think this is? And he goes, oh man, he goes, you should know what that, like, he knew exactly what, whatever was in that flask, some orange residue on the bottom of some flask, probably some 2CB derivative or stuff like that. But I was, I had a conversation with Jeff earlier this week, Marcus, where I reminisced how I was impacted. Yeah, there he is.

37:16Dr Mark ScialdoneLook at that lab. What a mess. He would get shut down by the safety people at DuPont. That's for sure. We can't have a messy lab like that.

37:25BubblemanDude, I bet you the safety people at DuPont are just some of the worst fucking people ever. They're like, we got fired from the IRS. That's how bad we are.

37:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, they're just people who can give... P.I. is a hard time whenever they get a new piece of equipment or doing something new. But I was I was saying I was I was reminiscing with Jeff on how both Raphael Mishulam and Sasha Shulgin's passing had this unanticipated impact on me. Like like I was like I wasn't really paying attention to. And, you know, then like when Sasha died, I think in 2014, I think I, um, I went out and visited his lab, like, like later that year, you know, I hooked up, I think I may have, I may have done that through Todd McCormick.

38:20Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know like who introduced me to Paul Daly, but Paul was, um, Sasha's assistant for his several last years while he was active in the laboratory. And yeah, we had a nice visit there. But what I was referring to is like when Michoulin died, in particular, it's totally had this like really interesting impact on me because I said to myself, you know, I'm a chemist. Just like Mishulam was, just like Shogun was, you know, it's like, and now that they've gone, now that they're no longer, I mean, they, like, you know, like if you, I've read all of Mishulam's papers, all of them, some of them I read multiple times, and you know the man after you read his scientific papers.

39:08Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Jeff, I was listening before I got on. I was hearing you talk about the Whitesides Lab. People, you ought to know that the guy that Jeff worked for at Harvard, George Whitesides, was just a huge pioneer. And Jeff is not overstating it. He did invent that type of photolithography, I believe, right? To make holographic images and those types of things at high resolution. With completely new materials and new techniques.

39:40Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

39:41SpeakerOn PDMS.

39:43Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Unbelievable what they did. And I know just not to throw DuPont under the bus, but there was a lot of work done at DuPont around the process by which those holograms are made into films and images that can be printed in magazines and whatnot. So, yeah, I mean, there's just this incredible... Body of literature. And I just recently commented on a LinkedIn thread this morning that was trying to give Dr.

40:13Dr Mark ScialdoneGuy, the guy who started GW Pharmaceuticals, all the credit for Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

40:48Dr Mark Scialdonefor david right i mean no way he created the genetics that basically exploited and atn their their breeder who actually i believe does not have a sense of smell isn't that correct that breeder that guy that was the lead breeder at um gw ATN did not have like an active sense of smell. So certainly they weren't doing. That's wild. Yeah, cannabis towards flavors. But anyway. How fucking insane is that?

41:21Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so just get back again. We're all standing on the shoulders of these giants, these huge people that came before us. And yet, did Guy do some interesting stuff? He did. I mean, to run clinical trials on CBD, which is a not patentable composition, and getting a drug approved through FDA clinical trials is huge, a huge undertaking. But Mishulam showed him the way. Michulam, he was standing clearly on Michulam's shoulders when he did that.

41:53Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd just to talk about Sasha, you know, Sasha often gets credited again for being like the father of ecstasy. But, you know, like they did structure activity relationship around the tryptamines and around the phenylethylamines that, you know, stands up today as a solid body of scientific literature. They were exploring Different substituents on these rings and how they were affecting the psychoactive effects. And yeah, I mean, it just, it was huge.

42:24Dr Mark ScialdoneSo yeah, I'll just stop by saying that. They use the old bioassay. When they passed, Marcus, I was like, oh man, I'm a chemist and I'm still here and I'm still on earth. So I have to start making more molecules, right? Make molecules. That's, you know... Make molecules, not war.

42:44BubblemanWell, after shouting out all these powerful dudes, we got to shout out Dennis Gabor, right? He's the Hungarian-British physicist who received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1971 for the invention of holography. Holography, there you go. So shout out to him. Where would we be without all these people playing their parts and creating their rung in the ladder of human history? It's very interesting. It's very cool.

43:14Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. But they needed lasers to create holography. And in order to create lasers, they had to have the right dyes. So everything is all kind of builds on one another, right? Yes. Like a ladder. You don't get, yeah. You don't even get to like where Mishulam is. Like Mishulam, We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

43:51SpeakerRight. One of the things that's hard to recognize now, yeah, is exactly that, that at the time that Mishulam used NMR to figure out the true structures of Delta 9 THC and Delta 8 THC, NMR was like, using NMR that way was still fairly new. I mean, it wasn't unprecedented, but it was a relatively adventuresome thing, you know?

44:15Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, it wasn't until Jack Roberts in the mid-50s and late 50s came along and figured out spin-spin coupling, and they could figure out chemical shifts, and they could really use... The phenomena of NMR was discovered right after World War II. They knew that basically... The way that the atom exists is that there's a magnetic field. And if we pulse a magnetic field and when there's a resonance, there's going to be an absorption.

44:43Dr Mark ScialdoneSo Stern and Gerlach had figured that out like in the 40s, right? But to apply it to where we use it, Jeff, in organic synthesis to elucidate the structures of organic molecules, what had confounded researchers back in the days of atoms was The liability of the Delta 9 configuration. So the plant makes Delta 9 THC acid, right? And what we know is that thermodynamically, if given the opportunity, Delta 9 will convert to Delta 8.

45:19Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so when these guys were beating on these molecules back in the day, they were seeing isomerization and they couldn't figure it out. And then when this NMR thing came around. NMR is so gentle. It's so gentle.

45:34SpeakerIt's just a magnetic field and radio wave radio frequency. It's like nothing to do.

45:39Dr Mark ScialdoneIt takes advantage of the nuance of chemical structure itself, right? Which is that a hydrogen on this end of the molecule is going to be different than the hydrogen on this end of the molecule. And it's just, it's like one of those things where it's like, yeah. And it's the, it's the, it's the microscopic.

45:58SpeakerMichelle, the microscopic magnetic environment around it that basically makes it.

46:03Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat you see is right, Jeff, you know what the structure looks like in Delta 9, that hydrogen is pointed over the top of an aromatic ring. And when you do that, you get a process called deshielding. And that deshielding shifts the chemical shift of that hydrogen down like a ppm down from where the delta eight one is and so he knew this and he knew that there was this ambiguity in the literature and so that's the magic of his 1964 paper people are like oh mishulam was the first to isolate thc no that's not true people had isolated thc before but they were confounded again by the isomerization of delta nine to delta eight

46:48SpeakerAnd the other thing is that many of the analytical techniques of the time weren't that gentle. And a lot of times, yeah, yeah, yeah. People weren't necessarily so careful with how keeping their molecules super cold all the time and protecting them from light.

47:03Dr Mark ScialdoneAbsolutely. So before there was analytical techniques, what chemists used is they took natural compounds and made derivatives of them and degraded them into the structure based on how the compound degraded.

47:23Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so actually this is really cool, Jeff. So actually the first people to isolate THC, they thought they isolated cannabinol, CBN, but actually it turns out they isolated THC. And the way you know this is that if you look, so they vacuumed, what they did is they, this was in, dude, this was in 1896, okay? Mm-hmm. That's, I mean, this, this is contemporary with, with, with Edison's light bulb.

47:54Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay. I mean, they were still doing candle lit chemistry in the laboratory at this time. This was 20 years before the discovery of the electron. Okay. These fucking Brits took charis. Thank you for watching.

48:26Dr Mark ScialdoneRemember the nomograph in the back of the Aldrich catalog, right? So the nomograph tells you what a measured boiling point should be based on the actual boiling point at a particular vacuum. And so when you look at those numbers, they didn't isolate CBN, they isolated THC back in the day. And the reason why I think they thought they isolated cannabinol Thank you for joining us today.

49:15SpeakerAnd so, yeah, it's like a calorimetry experiment. So it's a really, it's not, it's not combustion like burning it in a joint.

49:23Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, totally different.

49:24SpeakerLike when you burn it in a joint, it doesn't make much CBN at all. But like in that sort of a calorimetry experiment that's designed, I mean, you also, you often pressurize it with oxygen, right? So like, that's a very, it's a very different condition than like,

49:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, no, very different. But is that so actually, it turns out so Wood, Spivey and Easterfield in 1896 were the first to isolate THC. And I think we could, we know that for sure, just by looking at the boiling point. And the pressure at which they distilled, but they still didn't know the structure. Like they were still trying to figure out. And then it took this guy, Robert Sidney Kahn.

50:04Dr Mark ScialdoneSo he had four back-to-back papers in 1931, 32, 33, and 34. And in those papers, he figured out again, mostly from degradation studies, what the structure of THC looked like. And so by the time Adams came along in the 40s, There is Adams and there is this guy Todd Alexander over in the UK who are like the Almost like if you look at Adams's papers, you'll see things drawn like Delta 8 and Delta 7.

50:36Dr Mark ScialdoneThey didn't think about Delta 9 at all for some reason, but they had the framework of the structures down. So yeah, it's often misrepresented that Mishulam was the first to isolate. He wasn't the first to isolate THC. He was the first one to correctly elucidate the structure and did it using NMR, like you said.

50:57BubblemanWell, shout out to Isidore Rabbi, I guess. Isn't he the guy that first demonstrated it? That's what Google's saying. It could be wrong. Another Nobel Prize connected to it in 1952, because after he observed independently that Felix Bloch from Stanford and Edward Mills Purcell from Harvard were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in physics in 1952. For magnetic resonance. For their foundational work on it. Absolutely.

51:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYep. Right.

51:29BubblemanHey, welcome, Colin. I hear your little guy broke something today.

51:39BubblemanHello, Colin. He probably stepped away. Colin was sending me text messages that his little guy was skateboarding today and broke, I think, his arm or his elbow or something. First break. Welcome to the club, buddy. Sorry to hear, but I'm 17 deep and it doesn't get any easier. Just got to wait those six to eight weeks and then you'll be healed. Yeah, way too behind the wheel of a car, right?

52:11BubblemanYou know, so far, mine have been really good behind the wheel of a car. I have to admit, both my son and daughter just drive like not like me. I was a parent's nightmare when I drove my car when I was younger. First of all, my dad thought it was a good idea to get me this insane Nova hatchback 74 350 LT1 out of a Corvette with a hearse shifter.

52:36BubblemanAnd the fucking racing cam and like the whole the car was psychotic. I think my dad was like, I'm getting this for myself more than me getting it for myself. And it was very, very, very fast. And for a 16 year old boy to have such a thing is. Not super smart. I feel lucky that I didn't kill anyone. And I feel lucky that I didn't kill myself because I was truly, I was truly a danger.

53:05BubblemanI crashed so many cars, OG brick. I think I did not crash as many as my father crashed because he apparently crashed quite a few. But I mean, I could go, I could go through all my accidents and it is, doesn't even make any sense. I'm happy to be hopefully done that part of my life. I did write off a truck a couple of years ago, drove it into the mountain, trying to avoid a black bear on the highway.

53:32BubblemanAnd the insurance guy, I was like, oh, you never, you never try to avoid the animal. Always just drive right into it. And I was like, what? I said, did you just say that? Like, you want me to drive right into the... He says, yes, it's much safer. Just drive into the animal. Don't swerve. You know, you could... Get into a terrible accident. I was like, wow, that's not going to lie.

53:52BubblemanI didn't really see that one coming. Just drive into it. Just fucking give it gas. You know, you want them to ricochet as high up as possible off the top of your vehicle.

54:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I'm just saying this as a parent, as a parent, you worry about your kids and there's two phases of worry before they're behind the wheel and then after the behind the wheel, right? It's just a completely different level of worry when you realize that you yourself, you know, driving down the road can be plowed into by somebody on their cell phone or wheel or it's the most dangerous thing we all do every day.

54:30Dr Mark ScialdoneGet behind the wheel of a car and it's like, You know, I think a lot of us maybe take it for granted, but yeah, certainly it's the thing that I think I worry about the most when I think about both of my kids because, you know, my son lives in L.A. where traffic's super crazy and People are all over the place.

55:09BubblemanYeah, no, I feel, yeah, I've, my, my eldest is traveling Europe right now. She's in Europe for the next month. And so I have that sort of like, you know, just kind of like, all right, you know, I got all my buddies in all the different countries that she's going to. I'm just kind of letting them know, like, hey, talk to Lorenzo the other day. I'm like, hey, my daughter's coming to Amsterdam.

55:31BubblemanYou know, you got to look, keep an eye out for, look out for, she'll be coming by the shop Terps Army. Shout out to Lorenzo and Terps Army and the Terps Donuts. Fucking guy's a character, man. What a fucking character this guy is. Did a Legends with him a couple years ago in Barcelona. Hopefully we end up doing another one here in the near future. Been too long.

55:53BubblemanReally, the next Legends has to be in Amsterdam and it has to be for Skunk Man Sam. I think that's the real true story of that. Gotta celebrate, Sam. It still doesn't seem real that he's gone. And it's so wild to have the perspective of him being gone in all the conversations we're having. And I'm always like, oh, Sam would love this. Sam would love this. He'd love to just chime in.

56:18BubblemanAnd yeah, it's what we all had in common.

56:27BubblemanTime for a bowl. What are you guys all puffing on? I think I'm going to hit some of this champagne. This champagne kush.

56:37BubblemanWell, champagne kush going in the from the Fraser Valley Roslyn Company. Let's do it. I was transplanting plants last night at like midnight. You ever just do some late night gardening, Brian?

56:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsYes, I do.

56:56BubblemanYeah, it was like super weird just in the middle of kind of late, late at night. I was like, I want to transplant this sort of cactus plant I have that my friends, their version is flowering right now. And I was like, man, I haven't taken good care of this plant. I've left it in a small pot. It's, you know, it's, it's a weird cactus, but it's like flat leaves.

57:15BubblemanIt grows these flat leaves, but it's hard. And, um, Yeah, I'm looking forward to, you know, well, I put it in a beautiful pot yesterday and ended up finding a bunch of plant stands, like metal plant stands. Yeah, so now I have a lot of my plants in my house on these little plant stands and I gotta do this. I love it.

57:41Bryan Best Friend FarmsI think is that a Christmas cactus? I have a Christmas cactus, a little one that sounds like that I have to.

57:46BubblemanIt's similar to a Christmas cactus, but it's actually some rare type of exotic cactus that might. So here's the story about the majority of my plants that I have. My buddy is, he works in the city of Vancouver and he parks his vehicle right next to this greenhouse. And he learned that the greenhouse is the greenhouse that propagates plants for the Bloedel Conservatory. And every city has one of these conservatories that you can go to.

58:16BubblemanSo if you find out where the conservatory's greenhouse is, Where they throw away all their green waste and they create all their new cuttings and propagate all their plants. He was walking by one day and at the back of at the back of this building where there's just a kind of a gate that opens and closes. There was like a mountain of green waste and he didn't really, the first time he said he didn't really look, but he was like, I ended up going back another time because I was like, well, I want to, you know, I want to see what this is and what's going on here.

58:52BubblemanAnd I'll show you the picture he sent me. This was just out in behind the Bloedel Conservatory. In Vancouver, and this is like a good idea for anyone that wants to gain access to some pretty awesome plants. These are succulents that they were throwing away. They're like the size of a small plate, not a big plate, but definitely like four to five inch succulents. They're spectacularly beautiful, like just in great shape.

59:20BubblemanAnd so he was getting all sorts of plants. He just walked by at the end of his shift and be like, oh shit, look at this, look at that. Like he got... He got a hundred year old jade plant that I'm actually in the middle of trading him for right now. This thing is like four and a half feet long and it bends over like a crazy fucking bonsai tree.

59:40BubblemanIt is so spectacular, dude. I can't even tell you. It probably sell for like $3,000 or something. Like it is a high value plant. So I love this shit, dude.

59:56BubblemanAbsolutely love it. Oops, it's sticky as fuck.

1:00:05BubblemanWell, I guess I better do that when it's warmer. Trying to get the banger out of the universal heater, but I put it in there and then turned it off so it cooled. So it like tightened it up a little bit. So I'm like, I'm smart enough to know, especially because this is Hatch Hash's bong and I don't want to break his bong either. Smart enough to take care.

1:00:26BubblemanAre you back yet, Colin? Did we lose you? Are you caring for your young child who broke their limb today as we're talking about the dangers of like children getting hurt? I will say the day that my daughter arrived in London, there was like millions of people just like hit the street and started protesting shit. And I was like, fuck, like all the countries that my daughter could visit in the entire world.

1:00:49BubblemanIt was the only one that like took to the streets and protest with, with like hundreds of thousands or millions of like, it was the most insane amount of people. I was glad to her for her to be brave enough to tell me. We're not going into the city, Dad. We're hanging out like on the outskirts. It's like, yeah, hang out on the outskirts, puff some J's, have a glass of wine, enjoy some cheese.

1:01:11BubblemanBe safe, Trinity. I'm talking to you in case you're watching. Are you puffing on Dr. Mark?

1:01:21BubblemanWhat am I puffing on?

1:01:23Dr Mark ScialdoneThis is just some old headband. And it kind of dried out a little bit, but still tasty. You know, like, it was interesting when Jeff was talking to you earlier, like some of these things make a crust. And like, I first opened the jar, it didn't smell. But as soon as I broke the crust, this little bouquet of gas comes out, you know, soon as I broke through the crust.

1:01:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, yeah, yeah. So The crust is a good thing, you know?

1:01:59BubblemanWell, it's, you know, I think it's one of the things of why traditional hash has a nostalgia box and it's why it's special. And it's, when I was in Quebec recently, I got to do a test of all these hashes that we were going to test that were in the market. It's too bad you didn't come up for it, actually. You would have enjoyed it, Dr. Mark.

1:02:17BubblemanBut also testing the hashes that we made. Which I keep showing because I just love them. And it's, oh my God, just the sound of that, like taking this ball out of the...

1:02:33BubblemanIt's just such an incredible ball of hash. Can't tell, it's like speak highly enough about it. It is insane. Really great bouquet. But yeah, there's something to be said for the aging... I'm going to do some really nice, uh,

1:03:14BubblemanAdam Dizzle, Nick, Skully Vibes, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

1:03:33BubblemanWe ended up smoking all these hashes and I haven't smoked a lot of hash in decades. What I mostly do is vape, like gentle vaporization of like high end six star full melts of dry sift or wet wash or live hash rosin. And so the hash is different. It's warmer, it's hot, it's smoke. It's very, very different, but I will say that I really enjoyed being stoned versus being high because I'm constantly high.

1:04:04BubblemanIt's all I do is I get high. I get high, I get high, I get high. But let me tell you something, all you snobs out there that I unwittingly helped facilitate by being the ultra nerd and climbing to like, I only smoke 90 micron heads that are baked in the sun of Alaska. Anyway. Get off your high horse every once in a while and smoke something that may not be as good as you think.

1:04:29BubblemanThe things that I was judging were things that I could have been enjoying. And now I quite, I got to get myself another hash pipe. I haven't figured out my hash pipe scenario yet. I've actually been puffing out of one of my hash kits, which is just a ceramic bowl and a ceramic tip in a paper straw. And I've been smoking hash. With this little bad boy.

1:04:52BubblemanAnd it has actually been quite enjoyable. But I want to get myself a nice little hash pipe. Nice little small little hash pipe. It's nice. I'm enjoying it. And when you have all this hash, like sitting right next to you, Let me tell you, like, the other thing about hash is getting it out and wanting to touch it and hold it and smell it. This one has an incredible terpene lean smell.

1:05:16BubblemanIt's Cuban Lynx is the cultivar. And it's just also you can see the sheen that comes from the plastic. So you can see the quality of the hash. This is hash church after all, people. This is hash church. And hash is goddamn well going to represent at hash church. Side note, I want to shout out Six Star Printing. All right, if you haven't heard of these guys, they're on Instagram.

1:05:42BubblemanHe's got all these funny little cards that he does for his, you know, these are just little promotions that he does. This is my favorite one, simple, to the point, Six Star, right there. This one also was nice, kind of a little bit of a rosin press thing going on there. But he went, you know, I get a lot of companies, hey, can we make you slaps?

1:06:06BubblemanCan we make you stickers? This guy went out on a limb and was like, dude, I'd love to make you some stickers and no charge. And I'm definitely going to be ordering some. He did these ones for the Bubble Man brand. You can't really tell, but this, sorry about my gardening fingers. You guys are just going to have to deal with it. Fucking mud, bitches. Anyway, yeah, it's got this like the B is like bumpy.

1:06:28BubblemanIt's like it's off the picture. And then it's, you know, not quite holographic like Ori's holograms, but still very cool. And then he did my wizard, the wizard that Max over at Mothership did. Good for me. And I was so impressed with these, man. Like, holy shit. Did he do a good job on these stickers? Nylon stickers, also mildly holographic with some shimmering in there. And also, everything is a texture.

1:06:58BubblemanYou can see that the writing is all bumpy and textured. So is the wizard. You can see the hidden 73 micron in the smoke up here by the hat, right? Got to hide the Easter eggs in there. You got the bubble man with the ice cubes and the trichomes. Fuck yeah. Anyway, shout out to Six Star Printing. Go give those guys some support. I will say this much about them.

1:07:23BubblemanThe quality of their work is spectacular. And in a world where everyone claims they have the best, these are probably the best stickers I've seen so far. These little nylon stickers, really nice, super quality. Through and through. Vinyl stickers are the best. Absolutely. So hopefully I'll be somewhere in the near future. I'm just too lazy to start offering to mail these out to people. But by bump India, I've definitely got some stickers for you.

1:07:55BubblemanAnd hopefully the rest of my brand partners will get on making some orders with Mr. Six Star because God damn it, he does good work. This is actually one of my favorite ones of his for his printing. I thought this was a classy sticker. I was like, dude, that's just fucking proper. Six star printing with the ice cream cone on the side. Little sticker. I want to make a nice shirt.

1:08:19BubblemanWho's going to say that's not going to make a nice shirt right there? Colin. Jesus Christ, man.

1:08:27Collin PalmerJesus Christ, dude. A little six-year-old breaking his arm, you know.

1:08:33BubblemanYou know, you got to really try when you're six because that shit bends. Like you really have to fucking give yourself a whack at six years old to break your arm.

1:08:41Collin PalmerHe would drop in. So my son skateboards. So those that don't know, he's six. And he was dropping in and he learned to drop in extremely well. And He just went for it and he tried to go across the whole park and went down this like six foot like bank and just like at the end he got the death wobbles and he took his foot off the board and he extended his arm out and just boom.

1:09:11Collin PalmerSo, you know, he was having a fun, he was having fun, but it, when I got him, when I got to him, I was like, that's, that's a little sideways there. So I just was like, we're going to get in the car and we're going to go see the doctor. And it was like, what's wrong? My arm hurts, you know, and you know what I mean? And then we were in the hospital in the ER and they were really great.

1:09:38Collin PalmerHe's like, I don't want to stop skateboarding. I was like, that's great. You don't have to. It's this is just part of life.

1:09:44BubblemanYou have to skate with a cast.

1:09:47Collin PalmerTotally. Well, not really. But when you get stuff like that.

1:09:52BubblemanDid you know I broke my collarbone just 13 months ago in the skate park in Whistler on my son's birthday?

1:09:59Collin PalmerThat's incredible. Yeah. So I yeah, I feel for y'all. I mean, I've broken stuff to skating, so it's tough, man. But, you know. It's fresh for him. So it's like all new. So he's, you know, and it's funny because he was like running across the house and he like fell. And I was like, dude, you can't, you just can't run inside. You know, like it's pretty funny.

1:10:24Collin PalmerAwesome.

1:10:25BubblemanLittle boys, man. Little boys. They really do have their own, you know, when people like, oh, little boys are only little boys because you're programming them to be that way. It's like you clearly have never had a little boy and a little girl before. Because I'll tell you, man, when both Tosh and Tanner were little, I could not drive. Well, me, I could not. It was Char, not me.

1:10:47BubblemanI couldn't drive by a construction site without him making a stop and stare at the trucks and stuff. Like it was fucking insane. I don't know where the hell I did with my bank, my...

1:11:04Collin PalmerBut, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's, it was a really interesting time for Tim, but, uh, all good stuff, man. It was, uh, it's cool to see him get into stuff and mess around and find out, you know, it's good. Little scientists, you know, it's just exploring. That's awesome, dude.

1:11:25BubblemanHe suits his cast.

1:11:27Collin PalmerYeah, no, it's funny. I sent you that image. His sister wanted to sign it first. So it's good. But um but yeah no it's good it's good it's it's good it's good stuff you know it's uh it was like you know as a parent you're like ah shit but uh you just get through it you know it's good but i'm good man things are great um beautiful day here on the east coast um excited for some new flavors that we're we're washing and pressing and Um, I'm excited for my personal garden too, because I just have so much great flavors going right now, just for myself, like just really excited for.

1:12:06Collin PalmerSo it's that time of year where everything's just starting to kind of show its, its, its quality and potential. So I think the, uh, I'm talking about personal outdoor stuff for those that are wondering, um,

1:12:21BubblemanYeah, yeah, we showed Brian's earlier.

1:12:24Collin PalmerOh, nice. Great.

1:12:25BubblemanYeah, just like flower gardens and cannabis gardens and fruit, sorry, vegetable gardens. And that was totally inspirational, man.

1:12:34Collin PalmerYeah, it's awesome. It's always inspirational to go to Brian's property. He's got a great, great slice of heaven up there. So always... Fucking full sky rainbows. Totally. Yeah. On the... What's that? On the property, it's just beautiful there. It's like he's on this nice perch that overlooks and it's like this kind of look out, you know? It's a great piece of property you got, man.

1:13:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsI have to come out and thank you, Colin. You've been here quite a few times. I have to come see it here this year if you can. I know you're busy, but I was saying to Marcus, I doubled down this year on the flowers and the... Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:13:43Collin PalmerSo I got original diesel, um, which is just real early. It's just so good. Um, I've got super booth, um, this one called orange fire that we kind of bred, which is, uh, the Calio out cross to New York city, garlic, um, uh, um, the, the sour diesel as well. Um, got a couple of those and then blue sushi. I was going to say grape gas, but it's grapes and cream.

1:14:17Collin PalmerAnd then Grape Canyon Skittles actually is one that we're doing. And then Counterculture gave us seeds like a couple of years ago at a harvest party in California. And I... I just didn't even think about them and then I found them just like going through stuff and I saw this one pack labeled Z and another one labeled OZKB times Sherb times Z. So I popped a bunch of those and we found like in each lot we found like two or three that were one in the Z is like absolutely insane and I cloned it.

1:14:54Collin PalmerSo we've got that on the docket and the rest I'm just kind of like I don't know if I'll clone the rest. It's still kind of assessing but there's one that's like you have to clone this now. Just checks all the boxes with structure and and like the flavor notes off of it. And then the resin itself is so tacky and sandy that you can see it's going to be a really good one to keep.

1:15:20Collin PalmerSo excited to kind of pressure test it and see how what you can do with it in terms of like what what can you make with it and how well does it translate, you know? So that's kind of, that's kind of thing. Is there anything else I'm missing? I did have a hella jelly plant, but I gave it to a friend of mine. Just was like, I wasn't over the moon about that, but over the planet, like just the varietal.

1:15:44Collin PalmerSo I just was like, let's just give it to him to see and maybe I'll go take a look if it's worth something. But usually I use the outdoor season to just like pop things I'm interested in or try stuff that I haven't tried in a long time. The original Dizzle just reminded me why it's so important. Like it's just 8-grid amazing. Just like resin is so good on it.

1:16:08Collin PalmerSo...

1:16:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsDid you see that one come off kind of early? Would you say like a couple weeks earlier than other things maybe?

1:16:15Collin PalmerSurprisingly, yeah, but it's not like the Great Grape Canyon Skittles is like almost done. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm kind of like surprised, to be honest, because, you know, when you run it in a in a commercial setting, it's usually like 10, 10 weeks, you know, like right now, looking like it's going to finish faster than that. So that's great. Yeah. So but the original diesel, yeah, it does.

1:16:42Collin PalmerIt forms its structure and its its cola structure and and You know, it's, it's in flower. It looks like it's really far along, but you, it really goes like, they're really, um, just when you think it's like done, it keeps, it just keeps pushing out, you know, and pushing out. So I'm excited to see that one finished. I just, I love that profile. I've kind of, Thank you for joining us.

1:17:25Collin PalmerIt's a really unique one. Very different than the sours that we have. It's similar, but it's just different.

1:17:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsI think it's closely related to that headband cut that it seems like that I came into here with. I'm not sure if it's the same, but from what I'm hearing and stuff and gathering. So I've heard Day Wrecker, Original Diesel kind of both thrown out at it at this cut. Yep. So this one here, anything that that headband leans heavy on it, even in the genetic, you know, back crossing here, a few of them, the G band I'm working with even included to the GMO gas mask included to the headband.

1:18:04Bryan Best Friend FarmsThey all pop off early, like substantially two to three weeks, not early. So they're like mid flower, you know, mid to later term right now. But I'd say a couple of weeks earlier than other stuff where even for what would much different than what they do inside, outside in terms of that. That that line there kind of.

1:18:28Collin PalmerYeah, we also popped a bunch of Headbands, Skittles, crosses that Skunk Tech had given me. And there's some very good stuff in there that I've, that we, that I'm seeing. I just haven't, haven't had a chance to like lock it and clone it yet. Cause I just, I don't know. There's, there's a lot of great stuff in there. He's a great breeder too. I mean, he's just got good, good selection.

1:18:54Collin PalmerReally nice guy too. Big shout out to Skunk Tech.

1:18:57Etienne FontanSo, you know.

1:18:59Collin PalmerIt's funny, Marcus, like those seeds that I sent you of Sam's, those are actually his. And he had them sent to me. For those that don't know, maybe he's not psyched on me saying this, but he sent it to me and then I sent them to him. And during the process, he's like, why don't you keep some for yourself? And so I kept some, but I didn't really keep much.

1:19:19Collin PalmerI kept like a few. So... You know, he's got a bunch of sand stock that he's most likely, I think he's working through right now. So it's cool to see him, you know, have that kind of stable of just color, you know, let's call it that, you know, to be able to go into some of the older stuff and maybe bring some of the modern stuff together with it.

1:19:47Collin PalmerHopefully we'll see some stuff in there. I'll have to bug him and ask him about what he's doing with it. But yeah, no, the style tour season for me is more like play and exploratory and see what happens rather than, you know, when you're with a license and commercial, you're like, I got to grow this and this and this and that. And, you know, so it's been cool.

1:20:11Collin PalmerIt's, it's been a good, good season. And the season's been amazing. Like the late fall here has been pretty dry, you know? So it's,

1:20:21Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe're still going too. We're looking at like mid to high 70s up here it looks like next week and into the 50s so a little even warmer kick which will get the sugars going and everything once again and the swelling and the density and you know everything kind of like back into a little more heat and dry. It's been too dry but you know definitely too dry.

1:20:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe're in a super what a main consider you know super drought for here at this point still.

1:20:49Collin PalmerWe're out on the East Coast for sure. Slight drought, but it is a drought. You're calling it right. I was thinking the other day because I was just like thinking to myself how dry it's been. And I use, I just use water and, you know, amended that, you know.

1:21:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo if you give them a walk and keep the water to it, it actually, they obviously perform better. Very well, enough life, enough root run and enough water, you know, conscious volume of water on the daily pretty much or every other.

1:21:20Collin PalmerYeah, 100%. I've been mixing in. A bunch of back guano and just, you know, fish by meal and all kinds of stuff that that's local. So it's, you know, when we amended everything, it was like, it was really interesting to kind of use some of the local stuff that I had not like crab meal and crab or lobster shells and stuff for calcium and things like that.

1:21:46Collin PalmerThat was really new for myself to use and get access to. So it was cool. It's good to use that stuff. I mean, you're like literally in the heart of lobster land, right? So you might find even more luck up there.

1:22:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsI actually, I use a mix. So it's from Fedco up here, which is a great company. Yep. Even for like all New England, East Coast, they are, you know, really great selection types of their seeds, organic stamp, you know, picky. But I use their fish meal, which is what is like a crab, shrimp, You know, fish by fish product altogether. So there's definitely that component. Not sure lobster, but several definitely shrimp and crab in on it with the fish.

1:22:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsI mean, it works. That stuff is amazing when it's when it's right. And it's quite it's pretty fresh. It hasn't sat around. You can see the difference between like, you know, a bulk product shipped around the country versus a local fish meal product. It's like it's almost moist, but it's not rotten or anything, but it's like super pungent, almost a little sticky or dense with it. And it works like overnight.

1:22:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis part, it has a time release, but it's almost the next day or two. You're seeing the results. They love it.

1:23:04Collin PalmerWe're experimenting with adding some amended CalMag iron now, like right in flour. And also Trichoderma.

1:23:20Collin PalmerAnd a couple other things that we're adding in to help with mold resistance. And we're seeing a lot of success, man. I mean, given it's been, but it's, we do still have these wet mornings, you know? So, you know what I mean? We get that wet dew and then that sun casts over it, right? Which causes the PM and all the other stuff. I haven't seen any PM, which is really interesting.

1:23:45Collin PalmerSo I'll have to keep an eye on it, knock on wood, but yeah. It seems like there's, there's some, you know, there's a correlation between mold, botrytis, gray mold, you know, PM with trichoderma. And I think, you know, I, I know people use root shield and things like that, that have trichoderma and other, other, other things like that. But, um, I really encourage others to try to look at, there's a white paper that I looked at that was really about PM and it talked about using root shield and using trichoderma.

1:24:25Collin PalmerAnd it talked about day 14, day 21, day 36, and so on and so forth. And they didn't have any mold, any gray mold issues, which is really interesting to me.

1:24:40Bryan Best Friend FarmsWas that using, was that Root Shield and Trichoderma or one or the other?

1:24:45Collin PalmerRoot Shield has Trichoderma in it, right? So in other constituents as well. So I think, you know, we're testing, so like I've used Dragonfly Earth Medicines, not Fat Flowers, it's the National Mystic, which has an incredible panel if you actually look at that. It's sort of... Props for being so ahead of their themselves on that because they have pretty much a very comparable thing to what Trichoderma has developed.

1:25:16Collin PalmerI mean, I checked out what Ruchio just developed, sorry. And I think that, you know, I'm using them in two different beds and I'm trying to see like in the same plant, same clones, you know, in two different beds to see what comes of it. So more to come on that. But I'm trying to do some little controls to try to see what comes of it.

1:25:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsAre you soil drenching or top dressing in or? Yep.

1:25:44Collin PalmerSoil direction. Yeah. And natural mystic via a foliar feed. But I decided that a foliar feed for the intention that I have might not be the best use case. So I did instead of one tablespoon per gallon, I did two tablespoons and then did like a light mix and just dressed it on top, you know, to see how that would react. And the plants seem to really respond well to that.

1:26:13Collin PalmerThat's a really great product that I kind of overlooked. Like I didn't really use Natural Mystic all that much. Like I use it a few times, but I just, I thought flat, fat flowers and the, you know, the other stuff that they have was really more important, but yeah. Yeah, it's funny how it all kind of comes back full circle a little bit when you're looking at it from a different perspective.

1:26:36Collin PalmerSo I'm just looking at it from gray mold. Like, I don't want to get to the end of the season and be like, oh, my God, I can't harvest this, you know, because that's typically on the East Coast what happens, right? You get to this, like, last three weeks, two weeks, and you're like, no, I see it happening.

1:26:53BubblemanAnd it liquefies.

1:26:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsNo, it's true. It doesn't matter if you're undercover or out, typically. Sometimes better under, sometimes not. Yeah.

1:27:05BubblemanI'll tell you one thing. Growing cannabis outdoors, whether on the West Coast, the East Coast, or smack dab in the center of the country, will quickly teach you about what it's like to be a farmer.

1:27:18SpeakerYeah.

1:27:20BubblemanYou will know in a very short time.

1:27:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you so much for joining us.

1:27:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, start of the season, three-incher rain. And then the thing is, is it would, the plants weren't used to any moisture. This is kind of a thing I've noticed where out here, at least through the season, you have the familiarity of the plant with whatever cellular, you know, defenses or adaptation it has with the rain and the structure of the rain. And it's on, you know, a repeat.

1:28:04Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo the plants kind of get intelligent to work with it. And out there, they're like, whether outside or in, there's no dew because it's like perfect. The whole summer is perfect. No clouds, sun the whole time. And then that third week of September comes in and you get this crusher drencher and everything's just like not structured, can't hold up if it's not perfect. And then it's just rot city after because it always brightened right up into Thank you so much for joining us.

1:28:56Collin PalmerThere is best practices here.

1:28:58Bryan Best Friend FarmsWhen I was up on the mountain up there, there was this thing going around with an old timer, like an old head on the hill, up on the hill there in Southern Humboldt, Alder Point area. And he was drenching his plants top to bottom. It made perfect sense kind of coming from out here. It clicked like how they get adapted to the water on the East Coast.

1:29:18Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, we're used to the rains on our plants. But this guy was actually, I guess, was like heavy watering from early stages on the whole zone and the plants top to bottom and claimed that he was able to resist the late season attack of that, you know, the tidal wave that came in that crushed everybody. I mean, it was so bad not to go on and on, but it was like, I don't know what fraction of the market, you know, of that year that it crushed on every time it happened.

1:29:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo...

1:29:50BubblemanImagine that's the year that you're going to start your first outdoor crop, right? That's the year versus the people who somehow hit the lottery and the year they do it, everything's perfect. It's the driest year in 20 years. It goes till the end of October, start of November. It's just like, woo! And one group is like, whoa, this growing pot is hard. And the other's like, dude, growing pot, man, this is a breeze.

1:30:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, the easy part in a way.

1:30:23BubblemanWell, sometimes you get lucky. I remember friends of mine, the first time they ever put plants up, they just crushed it like beyond crushed and they never crushed it again that good.

1:30:32Collin PalmerSo this is, you know, I was doing some research and I came across this article and it was really, you know, it's always inspiring to see these kind of controlled studies. And it talks about, you know, The investigation of timing of the B. cinerea spore, if I'm saying that correctly for everyone, infected during the day 49 flower period FP and how environmental conditions host genotypical influence disease development, artificial spore inoculations made at 14, 21 or day 28 of FP resulted in the highest disease development compared to inoculations made at seven or 35 days.

1:31:16Collin PalmerSo what they're talking about is when they added this, you know, root shield into the actual medium. So I find this incredibly interesting because environmental, you know, environmental, just environment changes a lot of the protocols, I think, here and when you would do this and how. So it's just really interesting that, you know, root shield, On, you know, these specific days for this specific study resulted in the results that they got.

1:31:56Collin PalmerAnd they talk, you know, there's Regalia Max here and a couple other products that there's Lifeguard and they kind of pitted all these things against each other. And it seems like Root Shield HC really was the best use, you know, for products, it was the best use. So I don't know if anyone else is going through this type of stuff or does like, you know, likes to do this, but it's, it's a great, it's a great thing to kind of look into.

1:32:28Collin PalmerEspecially if you're growing out.

1:32:30BubblemanIt's so much work to grow for a whole season and then have like just rot come and eat your plants.

1:32:39Collin PalmerEven like, even if you're growing inside, it happens. I mean, I've seen it in indoor. I've seen it everywhere. And this is not just to outdoor either. But I do think that we're seeing some familiar names, some RK punja on this paper. So there's, you know, there's a lot here. So those that are looking to get, you know, to look more into this, this is a great paper to kind of read and study.

1:33:05Collin PalmerIt's something I'm doing in practice right now. And I'm seeing the results. So yeah.

1:33:19Collin PalmerThe one thing I think that's interesting about this is that they tried so many different products and it was really root shield that, you know, was the one that they found was most effective.

1:33:34Collin PalmerAnd then the pathogen inoculation, also super interesting, just how they, the final spore concentration, what was the range of spores in the ML, There's a lot of things here from a cultivation point of view, those that are really looking to be dialed in. There's some enlightenment here to really help you guys to solve these types of problems that will come about.

1:34:08BubblemanYeah, it's interesting. The more you know, right? As much as you can. It's just a depressor. I mean, oh, look at those pictures.

1:34:20Collin PalmerLike you work so hard and all of a sudden you just see, oh, right. And one day and you're like, oh, that's so good.

1:34:31BubblemanThat's like beyond no good. It's like cut that top off.

1:34:36Collin PalmerYeah. And then they talk about how you can't really just cut it off.

1:34:41BubblemanYou can't.

1:34:42Collin PalmerBut you do. But you do.

1:34:47Collin PalmerAnd the environment just gets worse and worse.

1:34:49BubblemanWell, yeah, because you're creating more and more vectors.

1:34:54Collin PalmerLook at this. This is great. Look at this. Artificial inoculant cancer, inflorescence OG with a spore suppression.

1:35:04Collin PalmerYou know, the stigmatic hairs appear dry due to the preparation procedure used, scanning electron micrograph. It's amazing that in 2026, 2025, 26, you know, going into 26, we're able to get this macro. It's awesome. Like we did not have this years ago, you know.

1:35:39BubblemanYeah, well, if you stuck it under the electron scan microscope, you would have it years ago. I remember in 95, fucking Youp Dumas was taking the most insane pictures of trichomes that were just like you couldn't. It opened my mind to what could be. I had seen it under a loop, but they didn't look the same under a loop as they looked blown up as a big picture.

1:36:03Collin PalmerYeah, yeah. Well, you can see the negative. This is probably interesting to you because, you know, looking at the negative control versus everything else, like you can see the data is like overwhelming. It's like, wow. It's like overwhelming. All right. Crazy. So I find it fascinating.

1:36:28Collin PalmerThe infection stages, just incredible stuff.

1:36:33BubblemanWhy don't you show us some videos of like your grow or something, something that's like looks beautiful instead of rotten and dying.

1:36:46BubblemanI know well this is important you know we got no no well but they have the name of the the thing and you they even have the website up there that it's on yes and they i think it is a good idea we'll put the link up as well in the description of the video so you can go and you know look into it and check it out because it definitely is interesting but uh no no i was uh i just also want to see because someone said your outdoor grow on ig was looking awesome it's like yeah you gotta throw a video up of that

1:37:15Collin PalmerIt's like, yeah, let me, I took some video the other day or the other morning. I can, I'll see if I can.

1:37:20BubblemanYeah, you did.

1:37:22Collin PalmerLet me see if I can find it on my phone. I went and visited Remo the other like a couple weeks ago and that was fucking awesome dude that guy is just dying your commentary was the funniest thing I loved it so much I was like dude you're like I don't know you're like you're like you looked at the plan you said something so ridiculous you're like it's it's uh I can't remember the word you use but I was just like dying when you

1:37:50BubblemanI like how the video starts. I said, hey, Remo, how many plants you got in here? And he just goes, no idea.

1:37:56Collin PalmerPsychotic was the word. Yes, that was just like psychotic.

1:38:00BubblemanIt was psychotic.

1:38:02Collin PalmerBut that's, you know, honestly, that's that's the joy of being so about the plant and just popping as many seeds as you can. And he legitimately is like, I don't know how many plants I have here. And I truly believe him when he says that. I think that's amazing. You know, like how incredible is that to be like, I just, I don't know, I popped all these seeds and I just, I don't have any count on them.

1:38:32Collin PalmerThat's one of the most incredible things, I think. And so honest and just from the heart kind of stuff, you know, what a joy.

1:38:41BubblemanYeah, totally. Dude's awesome.

1:38:45Collin PalmerYeah, incredible. Incredible.

1:38:49BubblemanAnd all this shit looked amazing. Like, you know, I haven't used his food, but I will say that he was growing all of his vegetables. He had corn in five gallon buckets that were like 10 feet tall with like big corn. All his peppers were like gigantic. He had plants that were only like maybe two feet tall, but had like six or four or five giant peppers hanging off them.

1:39:11BubblemanLike it looked, it almost looked ridiculous.

1:39:16Collin PalmerI was like, dude, it was ridiculous. Like I honestly looking, walking, having you walk through that greenhouse was like, like reminded me of me in like the late nineties where I just had this property where I just like ignite with just all these plants and be like, I actually don't even know how many I started, but they're all rocking and doing fine, you know? And, but it's, it's amazing.

1:39:40Collin PalmerI think that he is one of the, he's such a gem, man. Like, He really is. I found some, uh, some, if I'm going to,

1:39:51BubblemanWell, I've been going to his place for, I don't know, 20 or 25 plus years. And those indoor grows that he had where the plants were just like monsters in the, you know, 40 or 50 gallon buckets that he would plant them in, in the indoor room. I'd never seen anything like that shit before. Like that was on another level. I seen some shit before that, but not quite like that.

1:40:16BubblemanAnd what was crazy was, was how beautiful the resin was on all these big beefy like giant buds which just were it was so like kind of the 80s like look at my big buds but his big buds were covered in incredible resin and that was the thing that always got me with ramo when i took his material and made hash out of it it was spectacular hash like six star full melt dripping down the pipe um hash Not to mention making hash with Ramo in his house with his whole family around with his like bro that we're using them is a total and complete trip in its own right.

1:41:00BubblemanAwesome people. Seriously awesome people.

1:41:05Collin PalmerHis wife is amazing. I remember when we went to dinner on the in Toronto like 2016 or something. We were going around the what is that called? The The spaceship thing in Toronto that we had dinner there.

1:41:19BubblemanOh, yeah. What was that called? It was like.

1:41:24BubblemanOh, the space. No, the space needle. No.

1:41:28Collin PalmerYeah.

1:41:29BubblemanThe CN Tower.

1:41:30Collin PalmerSomething like that.

1:41:32BubblemanYeah. Space Needle Seattle, isn't it? It's the same idea. Seattle or Toronto might be substantially taller. I think it's the CN Tower. It's very tall. I stood on the outside of it. Were you there for that, Colin?

1:41:48Collin PalmerNo, but I remember you telling me about it and you're like, it was absolute madness. And you're like, it was like.

1:41:52BubblemanWell, because they took us outside and I was with Ramo and his whole crew and we like they strapped us to this rope and we all leaned off of the we leaned back, leaning off of the CN Tower. It was totally insane. I'm not sure what made us do it. And then Ramo and I, it was like sneaking. Like they had the craziest security because their liability of going up that high and dropping anything off the top of that.

1:42:23BubblemanSo they, that you went through like getting searched about three or four times as you put, first you had to put on this one piece unit that zipped up and had no pockets whatsoever and you couldn't access pockets. At that point in time, I had taken the vape pen that Raymond and I were sneaking up to get some dabs out of up my wrist. And I don't know how, but I somehow got it up there.

1:42:47BubblemanOr he got it up there. Someone got it up there. I can't even remember at this point in time. But I do remember hitting it up there. And it was quite an experience. This is your grow, Colin?

1:43:02Collin PalmerSo this is, I think this is the booth that we're growing.

1:43:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's such an...

1:43:09Collin PalmerI... I've grown this a few times, but there's something about it this time that's just very acrid.

1:43:17BubblemanIt looks super blown out to me with light.

1:43:20Collin PalmerWell, it's just the sunlight then.

1:43:24BubblemanYeah, but you sent me one that doesn't look like that. I thought maybe I'm wrong.

1:43:31Collin PalmerI sent you a couple. Here, let me see.

1:43:33BubblemanYeah, maybe the one. No, I think the one you just showed, it looked funny for me. Maybe it was just me. Because it was blown out. It was definitely not like here. Let me see if I can share mine. Is this the one you just shared?

1:43:48Collin PalmerIt is, yeah. Yeah.

1:43:50BubblemanSo they don't look the same at all. The one I saw was like super like saturated white bright light in the background. Like they turned all the way up to 10.

1:44:02Collin PalmerOpen this one up too. This one is the companion plants that we... Did with, yeah, it does look kind of blown out though, right? Does that look blown out to you? Yes, it's doing it again, totally.

1:44:15BubblemanDoes anyone else see that?

1:44:18Collin PalmerI can't remember the name of that particular companion plant, but it's a beneficial insect plant. We plant those seeds with everything. I mean, just, it's like a good host plant. For beneficial mites, even in outdoors, I know people think I'm nuts. I do sachets. I just don't want to spray. I'd rather just... That's crazy.

1:44:42BubblemanYeah, it's light soaked as fuck. Yeah, there's something wrong.

1:44:46Collin PalmerThat's weird. Sorry, everybody.

1:44:49BubblemanThat's okay. I had problems trying to share Brian's for quite a bit. I might be able to play that one that you were just playing. I think this is, yeah, this is the one that you were just playing, and I can play it unsaturated. I don't know why it's doing that, though. That is weird. I've never seen that on Zoom before. This is the one you were playing, right?

1:45:10Collin PalmerYeah, and then here, try this. This is the original D, Dizzle. So to Brian's point, sometimes original diesel, like I went around the garden, I was like, this isn't the real, this isn't the right cut. And I was like, went to each plant. I was like, why does this one smell like more diesel than the more sour? And then I went to another one. I was like, this one smells more sour.

1:45:33Collin PalmerAnd I think it's your olfactory gets kind of twisted sometimes when you're, you're going through gardens. Right. You know, but it, uh, But this one I just sent you, that one, that is super far along, but it's still got a long way to go. Like, a very long way to go. It's going to fill out a lot more.

1:46:04Collin PalmerBut the resin on it is really starting to show itself. It's really cool. So early.

1:46:14BubblemanYou know, when you said it's going to fill out, I pictured it as being like a Grateful Dead like statement, like we're going to fill out like, oh, shit, we're filling out. Boom, boom.

1:46:29Collin PalmerYes, we are. The fill zone, man. It's funny, I have a surfboard from like that was given from like one of my older brother's friends that has the fill zone sticker on the top. Like the old Philzone sticker. I love it. I cherish that a lot. I'm sure Mark remembers those stickers.

1:46:47Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, yeah. You know, like the Twilight Zone.

1:46:53Collin PalmerYeah, the Twilight Zone sticker. Yeah, exactly. It's a cool sticker, but it's, you know, when I, you know, I followed Fish a lot and, you know, I, We kind of adapted this idea of like Trey side or like Trey, or I'm going to be on Paige side or, you know, I'm going to be on, you know, Gordon side or whatever, you know, and we kind of, we kind of tried to, tried to borrow that.

1:47:19Collin PalmerBut, uh, I don't think it, it, uh, it sits as, as well as this fill zone, you know?

1:47:28Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Yeah. The fill zone was, uh, uh, a place where. you could actually feel it in your body cavity every time he hit a note right yeah like like you would feel it and not it wasn't necessarily loud neither right i mean just like maybe i don't know it was the frequency of the notes or the way he was playing it but he really did invent you know the the way to make I don't know.

1:48:22Dr Mark ScialdoneThis would have been on August 13th, 1975 in the Great American Music Hall, right? Very famous show, one from the vault, right? They previewed all of their... Blues for all the material, right? And so that Eyes of the World, many songs or just many versions of that song, I guess, Phil would play at the, after the third verse, right? There was no more verses. Phil would play kind of like a bass lead, right?

1:48:55Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that was kind of like unheard of back in the day, right? Bass player doesn't play a lead, right? Bass player is just... Holden down the pocket right with the bass drum right and the drummer. So really, I think going out and playing like the way he did. I think he was influenced a lot by Jack Cassidy from Jefferson Airplane, right? Because I think Jack played like that a lot.

1:49:22BubblemanAnd LSD.

1:49:24Dr Mark ScialdoneKind of like later on, the way like Jaco Pistorius and Stanley Jordan, so many other players now, right? I mean, the bass guitar kind of like matured during the evolution of rock and roll, right? During like the 40s and the 50s. I think it was like invented for like electrified music, right? Because in acoustic music, right? You have the bass fiddle, right? Like in bluegrass, right? The guy with the big thing that looks like a cello, only it's much bigger, right?

1:49:59Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd he's laying down the groove along with the, The drum kit came out of like,

1:50:32Dr Mark ScialdoneLike the big band era, right? And, and Buddy Rich and, um, Big prominent of it. Krupa. Again, when you go back and you listen to that like Benny Goodman type of big band era music and you hear the drummer, right? He's up on his rack a lot, right? Colin, like he's, you know, like there's like a lot of that. And yeah, I mean, the Grateful Dead 2 drummer thing when Mickey joined really became a different type of rhythm machine.

1:51:07Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd Garcia used to make fun of it because he said it sounded like a washing machine at times. It's just like this thing that kind of went round and around and around. But yeah, after Mickey joined the band and they started going primal in like 68 and 69, live dead air. You know, before they really went Americana with, you know, American Beauty and Working Man's Dead. It was just a whole new genre of music.

1:51:35Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd listen to Lil Phil play, like, on the live Dead album, right? The double album. Listen to that other one. Oh, my God. He's just a fucking monster.

1:51:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsI can hear it.

1:51:50Dr Mark ScialdoneLiterally my favorite. Yeah, totally. And who played the bass like that?

1:51:57Collin PalmerBut here's the thing. Nobody in pop culture, though. We have to call it as it is, though. Jazz informed his playing, right? And all the greats that came before him, he was very influenced off. And think about how the walking bass is, right? When you play jazz, you're walking with the bass and you're doing all this stuff and intonation and You're playing phrases, right? You're playing these phrases that that in rock music didn't really exist.

1:52:27Collin PalmerAnd I think what Phil did so well was he's able to take these different disciplines and ideologies and kind of bring them front and center and then, you know, express them really naturally. And he was he really you know, if you look at his playing, it's very jazz oriented. And, you know, the other thing I want to say is like, yo, in 1983, I don't think people understand this, that Phil was the first person to take MIDI and attach it to his bass in rock.

1:52:57Collin PalmerAnd use bass notes that were at sub-frequency levels so you could, like Mark, you just said it, you could actually feel that, right? And it was due to his ability to use sonic frequencies that he was really interested in from people like Herbie Hancock and the Headhunters and Miles Davis and Teo Marseilles and all these people that were producers that were using electronics to accentuate their musicality.

1:53:23BubblemanOn that note, I want to welcome Stephen Philpott because I'm not sure he wanted to come in. That conversation might be a little bit back, so we might have to pull this conversation back from Phil and go back to, I'm not sure what we were talking about. If it was Phil Lesh in The Grateful Dead, then please, Stephen, step right up to the plate. If it was something else, how's it going, dude?

1:53:51Stephen PhilpottMan, I was just, I was just rolling up listening to the good conversation, man. What's up, everybody? Yo, what's up?

1:53:59SpeakerHey, man, I haven't seen you in forever.

1:54:02Stephen PhilpottHey, man, I took this year to lock in. I'm good, though. I'm back.

1:54:07SpeakerLocked in. All right. That sounds the best. Tell us a little bit about it, man.

1:54:13Stephen PhilpottOh, nothing, man. I was jumping in because I saw in the chat, I heard Colin talking about electron microscopy. You know, that's my jam. Let me see if I can. Can I share? Can I share my screen?

1:54:30BubblemanAbsolutely.

1:54:31Stephen PhilpottLet me see.

1:54:32BubblemanOh, can I share? Can I share this hash?

1:54:38Collin PalmerOh, yeah. Push it through the screen for me a little bit and put it in my banger.

1:54:42Stephen PhilpottThere we go. My God, dude. So these were like, these were a bunch of the plants that I was working on for my master's. So what I did for my master's thesis was I compared the same plant, but I looked at the top. Halfway from the like apical meristem and then whatever the lowest flowering node was where I could actually collect enough to sample. So I needed like a gram at least.

1:55:15Stephen PhilpottAnd we took this plant and what we did with it was, oh, I got to actually share a different screen.

1:55:27Stephen PhilpottThere we go.

1:55:30Collin PalmerThere we go.

1:55:30Stephen PhilpottThese are my freaky, freaky images. I'm pretty sure this is a this is a leaf because you see mostly like non glandular trichomes. And then you see a couple of glandular trichomes that like their heads are busted. Sometimes that can come from handling, drying, whatever process. Say again.

1:55:53BubblemanMaybe bulbous heads. They're also just growing out of the leaf.

1:55:57Stephen PhilpottYeah, those are tiny ones. The good ones, however, though, are the ones that look like this.

1:56:10Stephen PhilpottSo this is probably one of my best images from my master's thesis. This is one individual calyx. I think it was like... Halfway, you can see the real small glandular trichomes. But if you look at those big heads, especially if you look at the blue arrow, you can actually see the disc in the head of the trichome where they're secreting these different metabolites. So this is my favorite picture because you got a non-glandular trichome with the green arrow, you got glandular trichome with the blue one, and then you even have a pistol in the background where that red arrow is pointing.

1:56:47Stephen PhilpottSo yeah, what we did was we compared the trichome density, which is like just how many trichomes, and we compared the CBD concentration because we weren't allowed to measure THC. And we looked at the difference between the same plant. So how much does the trichome coverage vary across one plant? The answer is vastly, significantly like... I think it's the craziest thing. I equate it to picking one apple off a tree and saying that that apple represents the entire apple tree, which is not the case just from looking in the store.

1:57:28BubblemanI had that same realization when I started doing macro photography that, you know, you could look in 10 different places and see 10 different sort of, you know, I could always find amber, cloudy and clear heads on almost any plant unless it had gone literally like a month over its time. Then it would all turn amber. Like there were plants that were so old You know, I remember leaving a guy's house one time and after doing macro photography of all these congos and he had this tiny little plant next to the door as I was walking out and it had flowered and it was only about four inches tall.

1:58:11BubblemanAnd I was like, oh, can I photograph that? And that plant ended up, it was a sweet skunk bud. And I ended up getting this beautiful leaf, similar to what you got going on there, not quite as close, with just like covered. And the way I shot it, because it was a long bract, I managed to snap the depth of field so most of it looked clear.

1:58:34BubblemanAs I don't do stacked photography, I just do single shots. And yeah, it ended up being a centerfold in Cannabis Culture Magazine. It's a really special image. You know, it really made me as a photographer to not always try to pick what I think is the best because sometimes that can hinder if I'm just open to my mind and my thoughts, which I was that day when we walked by.

1:59:03BubblemanSo what are we looking at here?

1:59:06Stephen PhilpottSo this is like a zoomed out image. So imagine that you walked up to a bud and you essentially just clipped off one flower, one individual flower. So in order to take those crazy close up pictures, this is actually, if you see this kind of vertical piece of metal over to the left, that's what clamps the bud down in order for you to put it in the machine.

1:59:28Stephen PhilpottSo that is... A couple flowers all pinched under and then we zoom in on one. So you can see the actual flower itself. You can see the trichomes that are covering it and then you can see obviously the style and the stigma running from left to right across the screen.

1:59:47Stephen PhilpottAnd it really, I mean, it's literally what you just said. It is an art because these images are extremely difficult to take. Also, I don't use solvents in my images. So these are all, Marcus would love this. These are all frozen. There's no like chemical fixatives. So because it's frozen, as soon as you put it in an electron microscope.

2:00:10SpeakerWhat's the temperature?

2:00:14Stephen PhilpottLiquid nitrogen, so cold. Great. You take your sample and you hook it to like a stub that's made out of brass. And you drop it straight in a bowl of liquid nitrogen. And then you're essentially on a countdown clock. You got to put it in the machine and image it. Because the machine is so powerful, it's blasting the image. It's literally blasting it to a pulp. And you have to record as fast as possible and try to get the perfect image.

2:00:41Stephen PhilpottBecause by the time you pull your sample out, it's been blasted to the electron. Yeah, it'll get totally cooked.

2:00:47SpeakerThis is 15 kV, man. There's nothing to fuck with. It's an electron beam.

2:00:53Stephen PhilpottYeah and how they do it it's a piece of like tungsten steel and they electrocute the tungsten on both sides and it shoots a fucking pure beam like a cosmic beam of electrons yeah yeah into the sample and this is what comes out so there's no light this isn't a light microscope this is all in a pitch black vacuum and they blast it with pure electrons and yeah it gives us an image

2:01:17BubblemanJust imagine the experience that cannabis is having in this world. Cannabis is the luckiest plant because I don't think all the plants get these cool experiences.

2:01:29Dr Mark ScialdoneSo the water that's present is obviously frozen. Doesn't that somehow like disrupt the cell structure?

2:01:37Stephen PhilpottThat's why we freeze it to, that's why we use liquid nitrogen. And that's why you will see, I'll be honest, I've tripped out looking at it under the microscope because I can actually see thawing of the individual cells. And I know when my time is up. When it's frozen, it's fine. The longer it stays under that beam and there's no zoom in an electron microscope, you actually increase the intensity of the beam.

2:02:01Stephen PhilpottSo the closer I get to the trichomes, I see it start thawing.

2:02:05Dr Mark ScialdoneWhen you freeze water and you make ice crystals, doesn't that somehow disrupt the integrity of the plant tissue? I would think it does the same thing with fish.

2:02:15SpeakerThe flash freezing, it does some damage and definitely as it thaws, it does more damage. But the flash freezing, if it's fast enough, the water doesn't have much time to reorganize into crystals.

2:02:33Stephen PhilpottYeah, I mean, you can just look at this picture.

2:02:35SpeakerSo, the things keep pretty much their structure. It's not necessarily perfect, but, like, things can pretty much keep their structure if you flash freeze it. The key is freezing it really fast. It's got to be, like, a really rapid, like, sudden process.

2:02:48Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, and it's the same thing with Birdseye's invention of frozen food, right? So he found that if he did flash freezing of things like meat, chicken, fish, and all that kind of stuff, right?

2:03:01SpeakerSlow motion freezing gives it more time to grow crystals and disrupt...

2:03:06Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, right, right. So there's something about the flash freezing process.

2:03:10Stephen PhilpottSo these samples are going from fresh, straight off of a plant, to dipped in liquid nitrogen. And they stay in that liquid nitrogen until they are the same temperature as the liquid nitrogen. And like Jeff just said, it's literally a process. To your point, Mark, we destroy the image. Like when you use this, you can't use the sample afterwards. It's destroyed. But for that time that it's at that super low temperature, I mean, if you look at this image I'm sharing there, that's some of the most best preserved images that you'll get on that on that level.

2:03:43Stephen PhilpottAnd that's because there's no cellular distortion. There's no warping. This would be like if we got in Miss Frizzle's little school bus and we shrunk down really small. This is probably one of the best images you're going to see of a cannabis plant, at least on this level. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:04:27SpeakerInstruments for electron microscopy. This is really like the most modern cutting edge.

2:04:34Collin PalmerYeah. Yeah, and like in photography, you know, I shoot everything in cold environments, like even the hash, right? So to be able to get the structural integrity. But those of you guys that are like looking at flash freezing as like a part of a process to make hash, do not do that because it's too cold for the VOCs. It may keep the instructional integrity of all of the compounds, but...

2:05:00Collin PalmerThe important things we're chasing are quickly released. So just keep that in mind. We've done a lot of studies and tests and it's insane, you know, because in early days we believed like, oh, maybe cryo is like the way to get things out of fields and into the production faster. And it's like, no, you know, but there are some interesting cryo things to be done with processing.

2:05:24Collin PalmerI'm not going to say that, but yeah. Just be careful. I don't want anyone assuming that they're going to go cryo their whole harvest. Yeah.

2:05:31Stephen PhilpottThank you. Thank you for that, Colin. And this is also like to Mark's point, this is what happens when you do cryo wrong. Look at the integrity of the heads of all these trichomes.

2:05:40Collin PalmerThat's what I'm talking about, brother. Like, cause it's, you know, there is a, there's a threshold, you know, between, um, cold and too cold and disruptive. Right. And, um, But you need the cold to get the image, right? Let's just call that out. Otherwise, you have a bunch of mush, right? So, yeah.

2:05:58SpeakerYeah. I feel like it's just worth pointing out because I've been in research. I never did that much of this electron microscopy myself, but I was in research groups with people who did a lot and focused on... One guy was imaging carbon nanotubes. I mean, freaking hard. It's a lot smaller than that. So it means it's even more intensity. Right. And but like and I've seen I've seen, you know, with people use it for all other kinds of nanostructures.

2:06:28SpeakerAnd the thing that always struck me was how much fucking time and work it was to get one good image. So like for every like for Stephen's best images, like you need to understand how hard that guy works. Has worked. It looks like, you know, it looks, it might look to you like he just took, snapped a photograph real quick one time. But you have to try a lot of times.

2:06:53SpeakerAnd you got to figure out all the little tricks. And it's one of those really hard things to do. I've definitely seen that.

2:07:01Collin PalmerYeah. And I think it's to be said that photography in general, even if you're not using this method, you have to worry about lighting and point to point perspective and how color theory and Thank you for joining us.

2:07:42Collin PalmerSo it's really to, you know, to what Jeff was saying, it's really important to note the amount of detail orientation that has to go into creating a sample prep like that is insane, you know, and then actually getting an image that's useful, you know, kudos to you, bud, you know, it's awesome.

2:08:02Stephen PhilpottI'm actually glad that you said the art theory behind it because I essentially had to learn about the origin of photography on a light level. Like I had to learn, I was using the light spectrum to grow my plants, but then I had to learn the light spectrum from like an image standpoint. And it was really interesting just hearing a lot of that stuff. Like I thought I would just put it, put the, put the sample on a stub, put it in the machine and hit capture.

2:08:31Stephen PhilpottAnd I can't, to Jeff's point, I've probably, I blew through probably 20,000 samples learning how to get images that good. And a lot of it was like freezing a sample, putting it in and just leaving the electron beam on it and just watching what the microscope does to the sample. Once you know how the microscope affects the sample, then you know, I got about five minutes when I put that sample in the machine and try to take a picture.

2:09:00Stephen PhilpottAnd that's pretty high stakes when you're like doing it for data capture. You've grown this plant for months and now you got five minutes to take a picture before you destroy it.

2:09:12Collin PalmerIt's kind of like your curing process. You spend all this time and you're going to go into a cure. You know how many times I've seen commercially just like big batches gone, like ruined. The same ideology, you know, you know, it's interesting because you're, you know, to relate to you, I came on it from the opposite point of view. I knew I studied photography and really understood, you know, the idea of photosynthesis and why images were created and how long and exposure and all this other stuff.

2:09:40Collin PalmerAnd then I applied that to plant. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:09Stephen PhilpottAbsolutely. If you knew how many people popped up once I started talking about my research, so they started seeing differences between trichome density. And again, to Marcus's point, people were like, hey, which cultivar in your study had the highest trichome density? What was the ratio of bulbous to sessile stocked trichomes? Now people are trying to look at it from a monetary standpoint of, hey, which one can we get more out of?

2:10:35Stephen PhilpottSo from my research, I actually anonymized the cultivars. I wouldn't do that. Or I'm just like, hey, cultivar A had this really high density. Cultivar D had, it's how I grew it. If you understand genetic expression, I grew mine in a greenhouse and in the Midwest during the winter with high pressure sodium light bulbs. Like that's a very specific type of environment that I chose to grow in.

2:11:01Stephen PhilpottAnd I didn't want to put the cultivars names out there. And then the public started saying, What are they doing? Research suggests that this cultivar, no, we're not doing that. Cultivar A versus cultivar B. That's all people know.

2:11:14SpeakerWow, that's great. What a great point, actually.

2:11:18Stephen PhilpottYeah. I got creepy phone calls, man. Like I tell people my first job in the industry, like I worked for an MSO for six months. And you know how flies land on your food and they start doing the hand rub? When people saw my research, I just started feeling that like hand rub of people like, oh, how can we use this to monetize? And I was like, nah, guys, we're not doing that.

2:11:46SpeakerWe're not jumping straight into this. This is different. Yeah. People a lot of times don't understand. They think that there's a business thing immediately to do with some research result. But a lot of times, actually, you're going to need to develop the research a lot before you're at the business idea. I've watched people try to start up companies, I think, before their idea was fully baked. And before their research was really fully baked and it doesn't pan out well.

2:12:18SpeakerLike you said, people draw wrong conclusions because they haven't done enough study to confirm what came from the cultivar versus your cultivation, right?

2:12:28Collin PalmerOr they'll get here and they'll say that they've learned enough from them and they can continue doing it themselves. And that's the biggest mistake that most companies make. You keep the people on that have been doing it and know how to do it. Can't recreate decades of experience.

2:12:48Etienne FontanNo, exactly.

2:12:51BubblemanOh my goodness. I woke up to a little bit of rain, which was well received. We're happy to have it, but it didn't rain really at all here, like all summer and barely at all in the spring. So it's nice to Nice to have that smell, that wonderful smell. Petrichora. Yeah, I love it. When you haven't had it in a long time, and you're like, whoa.

2:13:17Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, we need rain too. Lake Champlain is down to about 93 feet, which is really, really low. And it's not like they could just... Get more water from Canada. You think if you look on the map that there is actually a connection between the St. Lawrence Seaway and Lake Champlain, but I think it's like disconnected by locks. I think you need to go through locks to get there.

2:13:50Dr Mark ScialdoneSo like our lake is, yeah, we don't get water from the St. Lawrence Seaway. So I think like when we don't get a lot of rain, the rivers that feed the lake just don't put enough water down there. So yeah, the lake is super low. Anyway, we need to rain too. 93 feet is super low. I've been on the lake. Yeah, I guess it's 93 feet like above sea level.

2:14:21Dr Mark ScialdoneI guess that where we're at, that's low. They like to have it more like around 97 feet. or 98 because this is actually the dry season right we're not going to get a lot of precipitation between now and when the snow flies and when if the lake freezes up being this low too it's really it screws up a lot of a lot of habitats in the in the lake for all kinds of things it's difficult what do you guys think of this freaky dreams dude it looks amazing i have a bunch of these seas i've never popped them and i kind of next year i'm gonna do a whole freak show thing where i want to

2:14:57Collin PalmerPop them. Dude, I got to give a shout out to 710 Labs for putting out work like this. Chocolate Oranges 25. Yo, if you guys are in LA, this is phenomenal. Like this is like great jack turps, hazy turps that there's people out there that hate jack turps. I'm sorry for you. But this is fantastic work. Nice work, boys. Like, wow.

2:15:21BubblemanLook how crazy these leaves look on this plant. Freak show is so trippy.

2:15:27Collin PalmerSo rad. I love it. There's another one. Remember Duckfoot? Remember Wally Duck from an overgrowth?

2:15:33BubblemanOh, yeah. Yeah, it's the first one I ever saw. It's very different. This one's like quite beautiful.

2:15:40Collin PalmerYeah, no, it's really cool. I wonder what the resin is like on that. Has anyone ever grown it here?

2:15:46BubblemanWell, let's ask Hillbilly Herb who sent me that video.

2:15:50Collin PalmerVery terpenylene, but. That was the resin. Which I'm good with, but some people don't like.

2:15:57BubblemanWell, I've asked for the flavor profile. I've asked, he says, this is a freak show crossed with Dream Lotus F3.

2:16:07Stephen PhilpottSo there it is.

2:16:10Stephen PhilpottHave you all seen the female plants that exhibit male anatomy, but still have flowers?

2:16:20Dr Mark ScialdoneLike the pearls.

2:16:22Stephen PhilpottYeah, but they're, they're essentially mostly stem. And then there's individual flowers. There's no buds. There's no like group of budding.

2:16:30BubblemanYeah, those are the pearls.

2:16:31Stephen PhilpottYeah, I have, I have, I have a, we, we imaged a bunch of those just to look at the trichome coverage and they were actually frosted completely. Yeah, I bet.

2:16:41Etienne FontanWe saw a sample of that last year. They had a couple of samples in the field at the USDA field trials are up in Geneva. So we had a researcher. She's that's all she's doing is researching that particular genetic that's It has no pistols. It's exhibiting the male and the female. But, you know, it's it's a unique freak out in nature that I mean, we looked at it and you got to understand it's me, Rob, Mojave, Ali, all of us surrounding this researcher.

2:17:12Etienne FontanAnd she's just batting out. She's just focusing on that type of genetics. So they are interested in that at Cornell. Yeah.

2:17:22Collin PalmerI've always wondered if we could get to a place. I was I was talking with a A really smart biologist that's in his 80s or really late 70s over last weekend in California and he was asking me why hasn't someone bred in the the the markers for the plant to be able to grab its own nitrogen from the air and I was just like you know there's just so many things that I don't think many people have talked about but You know, it seems like there's a lot of different ways to go about looking at genomic research, but the pearls like this, this is like, this reminds me of Dr. Greenspoon's, you know, the, that varietal.

2:18:03Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt reminds me of a black Jack Hayes that I did back in the day, had the black domino.

2:18:10Collin PalmerI haven't heard that name in a while. Wow. Yeah, that was a while ago, right around.

2:18:17Stephen PhilpottI was just shocked at the coverage on these things. Like, I didn't think they were going to be covered in trichomes, but. Where did you get the seeds from? So this was actually part of the, so the cultivars I used for my research were USDA compliant floral hemp cultivars. So we were doing a program to see how hot they go in different climates. So they sent the same seeds essentially to five different Midwestern states and people grew them in different environments to see what type of expressions we could get naturally.

2:18:53Stephen PhilpottAnd the crazy thing is this isn't a greenhouse. Like this wasn't in a super, like it wasn't outside anywhere. These were seeds that they gave us. And this was just one plant that just showed up like this.

2:19:05Collin PalmerWhat temperatures did the greenhouse get to? Did it get to like, you know, 100 degrees or 80 degrees, 90 degrees?

2:19:13Stephen PhilpottSo this was one of the hottest summers in Chicago and our AC actually went out when it was like 110. And this was one of the only plants that actually survived that 110 degree like heat wave. Because I mean, I have an image of the full harvest of this thing. I mean, you can see these pictures like this is very abnormal.

2:19:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, it would look a lot different if it were cooler.

2:19:36BubblemanWe were looking at plants just like this, like last week with budularo and they, this is what they specialize in, dude. Like they probably, uh, what are these seeds that you got? Like, where are these particular, like, is this a African haze or a Colombian or a, do you know what the genetic lineage of the, of the particular seeds you cracked here are?

2:19:56Stephen PhilpottNo, I don't remember which cultivar this one was. I think it may be because this is a floral hemp. It's a cherry, cherry wine. Yeah, it's one of the cherry wine lineages. But again, I grew four plants like this, and this was the only one that expressed this stuff with this type of anatomy. So it was really interesting. And I mean, even the yield, I think I have maybe some better pictures here.

2:20:22Stephen PhilpottBut I mean, it grew a lot of little individual buds that weren't clustered.

2:20:29Collin PalmerSo in one hand, yes, it's abnormal in the setting, right? But on the other hand, this is all things we've seen before, right?

2:20:40Collin PalmerI think this is an outlier in its own right. I'd love to see this like the, you know, actually take a sample and sequence it so we can see if there's any, what relatability there is and, you know, if there's anything else in the other samples that have been submitted that are, you know, share this.

2:21:01Stephen PhilpottYeah, so I actually, I took advantage of this weird anatomy because a lot of the samples I tried to take, I wanted to get rid of as much stem as possible and just have floral material. So because of these, it was super easy to just literally pick an individual flower at a time. So we did like a random study where we compared, if you see this pile on the left, We removed every individual flower.

2:21:25Stephen PhilpottAnd then over here to the right, this is like a more realiztic sample where you still have some flowers, still have some stalk and stuff. And there's about a 15% difference in metabolite concentration, obviously, because you're going to have more biomass that's not trichome dense. But you can see behind me, like we harvested the whole thing and did a concentration analysis.

2:21:51Collin PalmerDid it express, like, what was the chemical makeup? Like, did you see more, you know, GHCA or, you know, what did you see in terms of the cannabinoid makeup? And then what was the smell like? Was it more hazy or was it more musky, skunky? You know, like what? It was fruity.

2:22:12Stephen PhilpottSuper, super fruity. The students who worked in the greenhouse, they compared it to, like, Froot Loops. Wow. I would say like a berry kind of more fruit than floral. But we had a lot of like, there was Hawaiian haze and we had a lot of other things. This was totally different than everything else. I don't remember what the exact metabolite concentration was. It was lower than the other ones, but it was still like, it was still double digits.

2:22:44BubblemanCool. Good old novelty. Who doesn't love it? I mean, back in the day, if I would have seen that, I would have been like, get rid of it, kill it, destroy it. But nowadays, it's like, no, let's check it out. Is that Mahalo and Rob? Caleb?

2:23:08Etienne FontanCaleb. You want to talk about a fun group to hang out with that fucking motley crew of fucking stoners right there. Jeez, you know, Mojave, Rob, Ali, Caleb and us last year. Let me tell you, it was epic. She was going over this plant. This is her research. She's actually doing full on research on this type of plant to understand the mutation, why it does what it does, why it has no pistols.

2:23:33Etienne FontanSo You know, it's good to know that, you know, research is on that, you know, and looking at these sort of freaks as you've showed us, you know, because, you know, even the freak, it grows different, you know, each time depending on, you know, how it's done. And it's something we don't really see in the commercial market. I definitely have tried it personally. It's definitely a nice genetic, but it would definitely be, you could see why it's not commercially viable.

2:24:00Collin PalmerSo are these things that they're studying at Cornell, are they seed lots that are consistently producing this trait? Or is this just something like they're growing a field and all of a sudden this trait shows up and they're studying it?

2:24:12Etienne FontanYeah, these are donated genetics. So last year they grew 517 different ascensions from 33 different countries. And yes, they had a homogenous field where they grew everything raw dogged. No staking, no anything. And they did this at six different places around the United States. They did it in Oregon, Washington, Alabama, LSU, and Geneva, New York, and California. And the homogenous one, they just are trying to see what's acclimate or what will acclimate in this part of the United States.

2:24:48Etienne FontanSo to see They grew males and females, three males of each ascension too, to see what it's going to react like. And so we got to see what it was like reacting in this sun and, you know, Geneva, New York. So they had that field, I guess it seems to be where they took those genetic freaks that they had and put them all in this one particular field.

2:25:12Etienne FontanAnd each student, I guess, seems to be assigned the type of Genetic anomaly that it is. I don't know if it's random, if they select what plant they're going to study, but what we know is they just growing from donated genetics currently to see what is viable, what isn't viable. They've got, you know, type ones, type twos, type threes. They found this one type two that was, you know, an old school, um, Genetic from upstate New York that grows straight, which is perfect for rope making.

2:25:49Etienne FontanAnd it was found after they moved a barn and these plants just shut the fuck up. And they're like, what? And they basically send scientists over. They did longitude latitude where these genetics are found. And then there are breeding trials. There didn't breed all 517. They had breed boxes set aside on a different part of They're growing over 30 different acres up in New York, so there's different areas where we got to see full fields of the two bear genetics that are growing, which are not susceptible to white pottery mildew, hemp pottery mildew, and septoria.

2:26:28Etienne FontanBecause a lot of what we saw in upstate New York was overridden with Septoria.

2:26:36Etienne FontanMuch worse than, you know, what I've seen in other states, but it was definitely something they had. But, you know, Bear, which is Monsanto, already had two fields of genetics, just two, you know, out there, and they looked great. I mean, honestly. But at the same time, they had all different field trials of also different types of hemp. They had density trials. As well as we saw with that woman there, she's just standing around and each day she's just annotating and logging that genetic.

2:27:07Etienne FontanSo it'd be great if Mojave or Rob were here because they questioned that poor girl for a solid 45 minutes because, you know, we love anomalies, right? We love Freaks. We've seen more than enough of your average cannabis, right? So that one literally, as you can see, we just all naturally drew in on it because of our natural curiosities about cannabis because we kill and cull these types of genetics.

2:27:33Etienne FontanWe don't really see them. And so that was also the fascinating thing about seeing... Thank you for joining us.

2:28:05Etienne FontanThey're just looking at every type of cannabis to see what potentially can do well. They're probably looking for genetic markers as well to figure out, you know, what are these illnesses that are not. I definitely, they're going to be studying those two bear genetics that are not susceptible to white powdery mildew, hemp powdery mildew, and septoria because, you know, there was definitely a light and day difference in that, but The septoria doesn't seem to do as bad.

2:28:31Etienne FontanI mean, it leaves the leaf spotting. I'm not sure what it does to the flowers itself. Has anybody done any research to see what that septoria does to... It's Satan. It's Satan. Ah, yes. Nobody wants Satan in their garden.

2:28:47BubblemanFucking Satan, dude. Blight. They call it blight.

2:28:56Collin PalmerBear, the chemical company bear?

2:28:59Etienne FontanYes. Yes, Bear, who bought Monsanto, who bought Blackwater. Yes, that bear. Yes. Yeah. Aspirin people. Yeah.

2:29:10Stephen PhilpottIt goes deep down the rabbit hole.

2:29:13Etienne FontanCareful how far you want to jump. You can get really pulled under by the toes.

2:29:19Collin PalmerSo, okay. So let's just ask some questions here. So like, all right. So you went to this field and they just show up with like, These genetics and they're like, yo, look, plant these. And they happen just to be the best performing plants in the whole lot. And apparently, is that what you're alluding to?

2:29:36Etienne FontanNo, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. It's just for a full field of hemp. It looked great. It looked healthy. They harvested in front of us. They brought out they had a hemp field day. So on another day, they actually brought out harvesters to show the machinery. And what the frustration of Rob and Mojave was, all we're doing is reinventing the wheel again. It was a bunch of, as Git would say, Rob's wife, it was a bunch of boys with toys.

2:30:06Etienne FontanThey didn't look to our history. There's a lot of decorticators and a lot of harvesting equipment that's already been existed. And all they're trying to do is reinvent the wheel all over again. And that's what turned a lot of us off is like, Guys, you're missing swaths of history and you're trying to reinvent the wheel. We're still 30 years behind and they showed us and our frustration is that we're still 30 years behind, you know, and they're playing with toys as their way of getting larger companies to come in because yes, Large companies made these things.

2:30:38Etienne FontanBut just to give you an example, they had a full 18-wheeler that had a decorticator on it. Well, I've got Encina patents from the 1910s and 20s that have 4x8 decorticators that you can pull behind a fucking tractor, right? So to make these obnoxious new things that they think are there just shows us how far we still have to go. These field trials, they continue this year.

2:31:06Etienne FontanThey're happening literally right now. We didn't make that trip this year just due to a lot of logistics and reality issues. They're continuing to grow more out of the donations. They're breeding to see what's strong there in the sun. But the same thing is happening at UC Davis. Same thing's happening at Alabama, LSU, up in Oregon and Washington. There's six different research facilities because not only doing that, they're going to start breeding hemp varietals so that they're actually acclimated genetics so that you can buy acclimated genetics.

2:31:39Etienne FontanAnd Why does that matter as a farmer? Well, if you don't know anything about it, if you take a bunch of non-acclimated genetics and you put them in a field, you're going to get a whole bunch of uneven and random growth, which is a huge problem in farming. What farmers want is universal, ready-to-go genetics that look and act the same. And that's what the University of Cornell and all of them are working on doing is creating Thank you for watching.

2:32:21Etienne FontanSo eventually they have a USDA catalog so you can order genetics currently that are 0.03 percent and they will send them to you. They have a whole catalog of things that are available of those hemp varieties, CBD varieties. Those exist. We also saw that ground creeper which was a plant that doesn't seem to have the lignin to stand but it gives enough to We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:32:50Etienne FontanWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about what we're going to talk about today.

2:33:16Stephen PhilpottFiber plants per acre, 300,000 floral plants across the entire state of North Carolina.

2:33:25Etienne FontanWere they specific genetics or random genetics? How did, or were these, you know, cultivated clones from seeds? What were the genetic material you were playing with?

2:33:35Stephen PhilpottYeah, so these were seeds to your point that we got directly from the companies who wanted to donate them to the cultivar trials. So we get gallon bags of different seeds and we would split them up and grow them at five different locations in the state. So we grow them not too far from the ocean where they're probably going to get exposed to some brackish waters. We grow them in the mountains where they're high altitude.

2:33:59Stephen PhilpottAnd then we grow them in like the orange clay that's across most of the state. And we would look at how they grow. Grew differently in different environments. Surprisingly, the ones that grew an orange clay that were exposed to drought grew the strongest. I thought that was like if I had a hypothesis, that would have been the opposite of what I said. I would have said orange clay sucks for these plants, and I would have said that the drought was going to kill them.

2:34:24Stephen PhilpottBut from what we had, like one natural rain every 30 days, all our plants were organic. We didn't use any fertilizers, although there were fertilizer trials. And to ETN's point, that's why I brought it up. The fertilizer trials are where a lot of the big companies get in. So we would do hairy fetch clover, use that as a cover crop. That clover sequesters a ton of nitrogen out of the air.

2:34:50Stephen PhilpottThat then goes straight into the ground. And we would plant straight over that clover, let the cannabis shade out the clover until it kills it, and it just feeds off that nitrogen. Right next to that, we will have a plot where we're doing the exact opposite, where some company came in and paid to have their fertilizer analyzed compared to that organic trial. What I can tell you is that the organic trials actually beat the fertilizer in pretty much every trial we had.

2:35:17Stephen PhilpottBecause of the amount of fertilizer you have to pump into the ground, To compare to what the clover can pull out of the air naturally, just free nitrogen. So that's what I wanted to support ETN's point. Like these companies are jumping in, trying to get their stuff compared, but if it's not lucrative and they're not growing more, they're like, oh, well, that's why you don't hear it publicly yet.

2:35:40Dr Mark ScialdoneI'd like to see the comparison of the carbon footprint there, Stephen. What can you comment to that? Because we know for making synthetic fertilizer, you need the Haber process, which requires a lot of energy. So if you use all of this fossil fuel energy, you know, yeah. What can you say about the carbon footprint in that comparison?

2:36:04SpeakerPlus the material inputs are from mining, right? Sure.

2:36:08Stephen PhilpottYeah, I mean, it's a pretty nasty process. If you don't know how fertilizer is made, like fertilizer and chicken nuggets are two things you don't want to know how they're made.

2:36:19Stephen PhilpottOr sausage. Yeah, sausage and chicken nuggets. But yeah, I mean, this is legitimately what it looks like. You have one, two, three, four, you have seven different cultivars, essentially all growing in a similar field. And as far as carbon footprint, we didn't actually analyze it, but that was the whole purpose of what we were doing. What's to explain to fiber clothing companies that if you want to reduce the cost of clothing and reduce the cost of the fibers you're getting for other countries, you should actually help invest into these farmers on the front end of their grows.

2:36:58Stephen PhilpottThey heard it, but I think they were like, so how much does fertilizer cost? We're like, the point is to get you to not have to do this to support these farmers growing organically. So, of course, there's a carbon footprint difference, but It's not hitting the dollars enough yet. It won't make a change in the industry until like people are like, oh, it costs too much to go to China and get these products or this fertilizer costs too much because you could easily grow organic.

2:37:24Stephen PhilpottLike when I say we put these clovers in the ground in early spring, that's the only source of nutrients that we used. So there's no reason for you to have to pump these fertilizers into the ground the way that we do.

2:37:39Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you so much for joining us.

2:37:59Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's kind of like, it's kind of like the perfect storm because again, there is no, there is no chemical that's actually registered for use on cannabis, right? Because all of that would basically cause, well, it's not only do you have to show an impact or your environmental impact of what applying that chemical to that field and that crop, Thank you for joining us today.

2:38:49Dr Mark ScialdoneSo that's what makes an ag chemical today, not just a chemical that kills weeds or fungus or insects. It's one that does so at a very low use rate and then, you know, breaks down into safe metabolites that can be consumed.

2:39:05Etienne FontanSo this is a field of I was talking about those bare genetics. Well, it was called Ursa Alta and Ursa Ultra. So, Alta and Ultra. This is a field of Ultra, I do believe, that has just been harvested. And there's Caleb with Rob, and that's McPartland, what came out. So, it was fascinating to hang out with Rob and Mr. McPartland, considering that they wrote, much less walk through these fields.

2:39:33Etienne FontanNow, they were showing us a Decorticator. And you can see where they're standing, how high up it cut the hemp. It's definitely, I would definitely be upset if my hemp was still knee high and, you know, still in the ground. But they were just trying to show us fields of what it would look like specifically. And so there it is after it's been, you know, harvested. And this harvester, as you can see from the left there, they've got four different blades.

2:39:59Etienne FontanSo they were cutting it at four different levels, which is Something we don't really do and was really kind of that, what are you doing guys? Sort of situation industrially, right?

2:40:11Dr Mark ScialdoneIs this September 18 when these plants are being cut? What week in September is this?

2:40:17Etienne FontanSeptember 11th and 13th of last year, right now.

2:40:22Dr Mark ScialdoneSo how many days in the ground would that represent?

2:40:27Etienne FontanThey were planting things in June, July, you know, some, most of it was back in May. But again, you got, they're spread over, you know, 30 acres. So they've got different fields and different field trials, depending on what and where from, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:08Etienne FontanSo they're just trying to see what works, what doesn't work, what's worth keeping around, what's worth breeding, what's worth, you know, there's a whole bunch of studies that are going to come out of that field that we haven't seen yet that's going to continue to come out and even is linked to this year's genetic studies as well as, you know, plant studies. So research is finally happening.

2:41:31Etienne FontanOn top of that, we have the USDA working on And, you know, and in time they're going to make a homogenous, you know, hemp varieties that you'll be able to get and grow. Their idea when we were talking to them is to create specific genetics where eventually they'll create a one genetic where depending on how you use it, We'll see you next time.

2:42:15Etienne Fontanthey also do the genetics for apples up there so we got to see a lot of apple orchards a lot of apple orchards were right next to the hemp and stuff so it's just fascinating to see you know the agricultural students working with such biodiversity but at the same time we had the peligro You know, warning, you know, sprayed apples right here, right next to a field of hemp.

2:42:39Etienne FontanSo, you know, I don't think the optimization of field trials of every genetic is necessarily properly perfect, but research is happening and ongoing, which I love to see.

2:42:53Collin PalmerSo, question, like, so, you know, when you're looking at this, were they harvesting that for flour or fiber? Like, what was the intention behind that? Because it's, I saw a bunch of stuff.

2:43:03Etienne FontanThey're testing it all. They're trying to see what's working. Most of it is, those are mostly fiber trials and things like that, but some of them are seed trials because, again, there's discussion about using, and it's just been approved for chicken feed. Because we know that, you know, so there was seed trials as well to see, you know, what's the most weighty plant? What has the most nutritious?

2:43:23Etienne FontanAll those things are behind the scenes, things that are ongoing that we don't have access to until those studies are released or unless we knew the students that were there. And we did get introduced to a lot of the students who were the student growers because they were the ones who gave their presentations on their fields, as you would expect them to do. And that was fascinating to see as well because I've never seen students give, this is my field of cannabis.

2:43:48Etienne FontanHere's my field of cannabis. And why? You know, fucking loved every goddamn minute of it.

2:43:54Collin PalmerSo are they are they feeding mainly whatever Bayer is giving them for nutrients? Hydroponic system.

2:44:03Etienne FontanThey did give us a they do do a soil prep, but they're doing it all on hydroponic and they're doing it off their own mix. I would assume they did not go into that. I would assume it's a large company supplying them the salts. And all that to make that happen because I took pictures because it's a very large industrial hydroponic system. It's not small. It's very seriously laid out as well as tarps laid out over it so that the students can go and gather and not worry about sinking into the fucking mud or, you know, clay, etc.

2:44:35Etienne FontanOn top of that, they have apiaries nearby. And I would love to see and test some of that honey from those apiaries to see, you know, because we know they can carry cannabis and into it. And, you know, I kind of pointed to one of the reasons, is anybody doing studies on those apiaries? That's a different department studying those. That's the insight. Well, I would kind of bring them in.

2:44:59Etienne FontanThey're kind of cross happening here. You know, it would be interesting to see the bioactivity of that honey, if there was any, between the pollen and the resin that they're carrying, etc.

2:45:16Dr Mark ScialdoneIs there commercial chicken production right now that's happening with hemp seed derived feed that is making a more healthier chicken?

2:45:25Etienne FontanNot yet, but we know that years ago there was a DEA competition for a barbecue and one of our friends took hemp seed and fed it to his chickens. And guess which chicken won the DEA's fucking barbecue contest? The hemp fed chicken. And that was years ago, okay? So we've known that it produces a very healthy feed for animals. Now it's just been approved, Mark. So now who has enough feed to produce to actually get that?

2:45:56Etienne FontanI don't think that people- There are studies. There are?

2:46:00Stephen PhilpottYeah, there's studies about, if you look at the omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid concentration in an egg, If you give them traditional like corn feed or whatever kind of feed they're giving them, compared to hemp feed, they have a higher ratio of omega-3s, which are the healthier ones. They have a higher ratio of omega-3s to omega-6s.

2:46:25Dr Mark ScialdoneAren't they doing that like Eglin's Best, that brand right now, Stephen? Aren't they doing that by just supplementing chicken feed with salmon oil, fish oil? I think that's how they do that, right?

2:46:37Stephen PhilpottYeah.

2:46:37Dr Mark ScialdoneBut krill, seaweed, fish oil.

2:46:40Stephen PhilpottRight.

2:46:42Dr Mark ScialdoneBut basically what it says is that chickens can be a vehicle for those omega acids into the human diet, right? Which is a healthier chicken.

2:46:53Stephen PhilpottYeah, massively. So, I mean, if you're thinking about this traditional feed versus this feed that has a, it's a healthier egg. I hate making it very like blanket statement, but higher ratio of omega-3s to omega-6s is a healthy, that's a healthier fat egg. So I think Texas, don't quote me, I think Texas was the first state to actually look into changing their feed laws and approving it for animal feed.

2:47:19Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I would also assume that it wouldn't just be restricted to the egg, but it would also be in the meat of the chicken, right? So if the chicken is on a hemp seed diet, that those omegas and polyunsaturated acids are making their way all throughout the tissues in the chicken, not just the embryo and the egg.

2:47:39Etienne FontanIt made it tasty enough to win the DEA's own barbecue contest.

2:47:43Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's weird because... That's weird because you know that these oils basically smell like fish, right? So it'd be like, oh, looks like chicken, but tastes like fish. I wouldn't think that that would be a winner at a barbecue, but who knows?

2:48:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI think actually, if I remember correctly, the fish, the omegas themselves are, Aren't the things that have the fishy flavor? I think what it is, and this totally makes sense, right? Those highly unsaturated acids are very prone to thermal oxidative degradation, right? Like when you smell stale peanuts or stale cooking oil or stale cookies, any air that gets to a baked good that has unsaturated fats in them, even if they're loaded with preservatives, Ultimately will degrade and you could smell kind of like that rotten peanut kind of smell or just old oil kind of smell and I think maybe that's where the fishy taste like turpentine yeah but it it's it's strange too because I know that like in some in some hemp extracts Where they were just getting it from bulk fields that probably had a bunch of males with seeds.

2:49:13Dr Mark ScialdoneGuess what? It tasted fishy. Even in the distillate, it tasted, it had like this fishy kind of, and we're like, where is that fish coming from? But it totally makes sense. It's coming from the seed oil.

2:49:27Stephen PhilpottWell, yeah. Sorry, Marcus. No, you go ahead. I was going to say, I hate to tell everybody again how the sausage is made, but the reason omega-3, the pills taste like fish is because fish are just like us. They don't naturally make their own omega-3s. Fish produce omega-3s because omega-3s are natural in seaweed. So that is the most abundant source of omega-3s. Naturally occurring seaweed is rich in omega-3s.

2:49:56Stephen PhilpottWe get most of our omega-3s from fish. Guess what they do? You think they extract the omega-3s? No, they grind every single part of the fish up. And what you're getting is legitimately leftover fish residue in that pill. And I'm saying this because I actually take seaweed omegas and there's zero fish smell, taste, no burp. When you burp and you taste fish, that's because they grind the entire fish down just to get the omega-3s.

2:50:26Stephen PhilpottNasty.

2:50:29BubblemanThat's just nasty.

2:50:33BubblemanWe're fucking vampires. I'm telling you, dude, some of the shit we do is like absolutely night.

2:50:39Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's like grinding an entire apple tree to make apple juice.

2:50:45BubblemanYeah, but it's less sadistic when it's like something that bleeds and has bones and eyeballs and shit.

2:50:53SpeakerYeah, but in the fish, yeah, you need to use the whole body because, yeah, all those Omega-3s, they're spread out and distributed.

2:51:01BubblemanWell, I love that they didn't decide to find someone who could extract them. You know, they're just like, listen, I think your best bet is just a commercial industrial grinder. We'll grind those puppies up and that'll be it right there.

2:51:13SpeakerWell, then they extract it from the solid material that's left. But yeah, yeah, it's... You're never going to get it all the way pure from that if you do it that way.

2:51:22Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, then we could do Omega Dabs.

2:51:25SpeakerOmega Dabs. Yeah, those fishy amines, they dissolve in that Omega-3, and it's just going to be really hard to remove it all.

2:51:36BubblemanYeah.

2:51:39Stephen PhilpottThat's why you got to get your hemp seeds in your diet.

2:51:43BubblemanYep, you do. It's very good to have. It's amazing how many people in the cannabis industry don't consume them.

2:51:50Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Well, to go back to what Brian was talking earlier, that's why fish meal makes such good fertilizer because it's so rich with nitrogen, right? Soluble nitrogen.

2:52:02BubblemanYeah, that is true. I think we got about 11 more minutes. I'm going to cut it short today as I have some responsibilities that I have to get done. And I wasn't anticipating rain today, although it's lovely and I'm going to enjoy it. But yeah, we got 11 minutes left to talk about what we shall talk about.

2:52:24Etienne FontanSeed meal for as of August of 2025, U.S. officials recognize hemp seed meal for chicken feed. So there you go. It's only as recent as last month. Yes.

2:52:40BubblemanAnd if you want to get that from your chicken, you can also get it from those same hemp seeds they're feeding the chicken. So you can just cut the chicken completely out of the... And get all the protein and all the oil, right?

2:52:54Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, exactly.

2:52:56BubblemanHowever you want to do it. You can also go the chicken route and feed the chickens the hemp seeds because that's pretty cool.

2:53:04Etienne FontanFor those who don't know, hemp seeds have more digestible protein than soybeans.

2:53:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsMm-hmm.

2:53:10Etienne FontanYeah. Nettier flavor. You can get hemp seed oil. You can buy expeller-pressed hemp seed oil. I use it all the time. And you can get it in pill form. You can get it in oil form. You can also get the cracked seed meat. The hulled seed, yeah. Hulled seeds. Bring them right on to your salads, et cetera.

2:53:30BubblemanI think that's your best source right there. Those de-hulled seeds, depending on how fresh the packaging date is, and as long as they don't have any type of ransom. Yummy, yummy, yummy, too, man. It's the goods, man. It's definitely, in my opinion, the way it's supposed to be packaged for you to get it without, although hemp seed is insane. When you extract it the right way. It can last a very, very long time.

2:53:55BubblemanWe did some extracting using Indra's processes there and it made the most golden oil. It made the whitest protein powder isolate that was like higher than most of the things that were on the market. It was quite spectacular. It's too bad we couldn't figure that out, but cool that it works.

2:54:14Collin PalmerI'd love to see roasted seeds that you could put on salads and, you know.

2:54:20BubblemanI think my buddy Paul Bobby was doing the roasted. He had roasters.

2:54:25Etienne FontanThere have been some roasted granolas I've seen where they actually roast the hemp seeds in them, but they're usually small batch and regional sort of things because, again, hemp seeds also can go rancid quick. So that's the other thing is you want to consume them quickly and depending on how you cook or You know, toast them. Or separate them. Yeah.

2:54:47BubblemanGet the protein powder and the oils away from one another. And then they both last like for an insanely amount of length of time before they go bad. Even at room temperature, not in a fridge. It's surprising.

2:55:01Etienne FontanYeah, Bad Hemp Seed. I've had it before. It will fuck you up. I highly do not recommend it. It's not a good sensation on the body and you will get the shits. Let's do a dab here.

2:55:13BubblemanYeah, do a dab. I was just going to say thank you to Hashish. Thank you to Hashish for being such a good friend over all these years. My goodness. There it is. Just a little ball of Hashish. I'm going to be smoking some of this hashish today, and I will let you guys know next week how it was. I want to smoke it at like two weeks cured, a month cured, two months cured, six months cured, and really create a nice little sort of Notebook of flavors.

2:55:47Etienne FontanYou got to get a refrigerator or a freezer and do like Kenny used to do. He would age them in years. So he would come out, okay, this one's six years. This one's five years. This one's four years. This is three years.

2:56:00BubblemanYes.

2:56:00Etienne FontanIt's a unique experience of aging because supposedly back in the day they used to take the Afghan keef, right, bury it in the ground for two years and then they would take it out and press it. Whereas, you know, we do everything and of course I guarantee you there was probably some hashishin in there But yeah, they stopped aging supposedly in the late 60s due to market demand.

2:56:31Etienne FontanWhy wait two years when they could adulterate it or spike it with wax or other types of situations, unfortunately. But traditionally, yeah, it was buried three feet deep for two years on average. Imagine that. Unbelievable.

2:56:46BubblemanWell, I want to shout out to Puffco and the Press Club for sponsoring today's show, as well as Bubble Bags. Check us out at bubblebag.com. I think we just cut the prices like literally in half on Bubble Bags. So go take advantage of that. And I'm hoping next week to actually have... I've been talking about this glass church. I don't know if I'll have anything prepared for the actual full glass church, but I was talking to Slinger and...

2:57:14BubblemanAnd I was like, would you want to do like a one-on-one kind of interview or like come on with a bunch of glassblowers? And he was like, let's do them both. So I think we will, yeah, bring Slinger on maybe next Sunday. So maybe get some questions prepared, Etienne, Colin, and... We'll see. I don't know. I'm not a thousand percent sure that he's going to be here next week, but he definitely was excited to come on and share some stories.

2:57:42Etienne FontanAnd I'm going to have to pull my slinger piece out of my closet.

2:57:45BubblemanThen definitely have to pull your slinger piece out of your closet. That is going to be essential. So we will be back next Sunday. I'm going to make the YouTube page like today for next Sunday's show, because lately I've been making it like like last night. I think I made this one last night and sent the link out. Sketchy Boo, but thank you, Stephen, for popping in as well as Jeff and Colin and Dr. Mark and Etienne and anyone that may have come and gone already as well as everyone that's watching.

2:58:18BubblemanWe appreciate you guys. Hillbilly Herb, thanks for sharing that plant. Thanks, Best Friend Farms, Brian, for sharing his beautiful videos of farm and grow and whatnot. Just always appreciate him as well. And yeah, go check out the Press Club at thepressclub.co. Go check out Puffco at puffco.com and go check out Bubble Bag at bubblebag.com. Yeah, .ca even maybe, I don't know. I don't know my own address.

2:58:54BubblemanGo look for it, you'll figure it out. Anyway, thanks everybody. I hope you enjoy the rest of your Sunday afternoon with loved ones, with friends, with great hashish. Let's may the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. In fact, maybe we'll change that up this week and say, may some incredibly wonderful traditional hash. Bless your bowl sooner than later, because my goodness, I'm telling you, there's a real sensory aspect of holding this hash and how much power it feels.

2:59:26BubblemanThis thing is strong. I wish I could shave each of you off a piece and you could each enjoy a nice little bowl, some wonderful hashish. Thanks, everybody. See you next week. Peace out.