Live from The Reserve, Denver (Episode 20)

0:01Archive SeedsAll right. All righty, all righty, all righty.

0:05SpeakerLet me see what we got there. Just getting started here, everyone. Waiting for the stream. Welcome, everybody. I want to make sure you guys can see me. Oh, yeah, there it is. There it is. All right, live and direct from Denver at The Reserve. I'm in the top VIP floor as there's a bit of a session down there. And I kind of thought this is going to be a little hard to start Hash Church with a lot of people puffing a lot of hash, but super stoked, had the most amazing trip.

0:39SpeakerWe're going to get into it. I want to obviously start out by welcoming everyone and announcing that this is Hash Church season 12, episode 20, episode 20. Jesus Christ, we're almost halfway through the year. This is incredible. I've got a bunch of guests in today. I got Scott from Puffco, the main rep down here, who's absolutely the most knowledgeable and amazing Puffco dude ever. His homie is here as well.

1:06SpeakerWe're going to bring them both up. At one point, Adam Dunn is going to be here. I did his show the other day. Kyle from the Reserve and Extract Cellar is here. We've got Sully Vibes in the house. And then we're going to have a conversation with Jen Doe about something she found in her. In her hash. So first of all, as always, let's shout out the people that make the difference.

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2:39SpeakerAnd also. There we go. I like that second logo that I just showed there. We're going to go over that again one time. So Puffco, Jesus Christ, these guys have been lacing me up. They're such good dudes. The whole company is just really, it's completely impressed me. And we're going to bring those guys up here soon. But in the meantime, at Hash Church, we do talk a lot about ritual, respect for the plant, elevating the experience, all those things.

3:05SpeakerAnd that's exactly why we're pretty proud to be supported by Puffco. Puffco continues to set the standard for modern consumption, obviously, with tools built for people who truly care about flavor, temperature, and intentional use from the Puffco Peak Pro with the 3D XL Bowl, delivering consistent heat, bigger hits, and unmatched terp expression to the proxy, redefining modular ritual-based consumption and the pivot, bringing true Puffco performance into a compact, everyday format.

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4:44SpeakerIf we can help you, we're happy to help you. So right on. Okay. So, okay, here we go. I got everything going. I just want to make sure I am on the last day of my trip here in Denver. I have been here. For about a week, and so that's pretty awesome. I did a week in Michigan with Papa Sift, which we talked about a little bit last week, just as I got here.

5:12SpeakerThat was an amazing event. Shout out to the whole team at Yield Distro, who's helping operate and run the Bubble Man brand. Shout out to Steve and Sarah and Papa Sift, Ryan Walls. For the amazing work and awesome, just awesome hanging out with Ryan for the week there in Michigan. That was my first trip. And I'm looking forward to doing one here soon to Illinois. My first trip to go meet those partners.

5:35SpeakerObviously, I know Dred smokes weed, but meeting up with Marshall and the team will be very good. And then I'm going to be back here at the Reserve for the Terps and Tallow dinner that Kyle and I are doing on June 6th. So you can check out that dinner. If you want to come hang out, it is not a cheap dinner. I won't lie. But what it really is, is it's going to be an incredible experience here at the Reserve.

5:59SpeakerIt's going to be around 7 p.m. till around 2 a.m. We've got four of the top 10 Masters of Rosens placements. So we've got Stu from Minor Melts who took second. We got Lulu Melts who took first. We got Nick from Portal Provisions. I believe he took eighth. And then I think it was Terps Over Yield who took forth. They were all over here the other day.

6:20SpeakerWe were smoking all their hash. It was absolutely wonderful and delicious. So their hash will be on display and you'll be able to puff their hash as you come by. They're going to have their own little kind of booths around the reserves. I saw that you're coming, Goat the Gardens. I look forward to hanging out with you, dude. I will be hosting the party with Kyle and it's going to be baller, dude.

6:41SpeakerThis place is so ridiculous. Like I can't even tell you. It's just really wonderful. I mean, check this out. We could walk outside right now from being inside and we could go be in downtown Denver. Just like that. Look at that. We're in downtown Denver. Baseball field is right there. Look at that. Look at the baseball. How fucking cool that is, dude. Are you setting vapor on smooth, bold, or intense?

7:09SpeakerThat is a good question, Young. Most of mine are set on extreme, but one of them is set on intense. And I got these settings from the Puffco rep, Scott, who's downstairs. Maybe I'll have him come up and he can talk about that a little bit. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. All right, so one sec. We're going to call Scott up here because it's time for him to come share with us.

7:36SpeakerLet's see if I can get his attention. We'll go ask him real quick. Hey, Scott, you want to pop up here? There's the boys. What's up? You bring some bagels?

7:53SpeakerDoes the bear shit in the woods?

7:57SpeakerActually, if you hang out in the woods, he actually shits on the trail more often than in the woods. Apparently. All right, come up when you get a chance, Scott.

8:14SpeakerPress Club. The workshop was awesome, dude. I was really stoked on the workshop. Obviously, low temper, awesome people. Shout out to Levi. Shout out to... Kenzie, Matt, Cliff, all of the above. It was really, really cool. It was a nice, not overly bit like full class. I think there was maybe 15 or 16, maybe 17 people in the room total. I think, you know, some of them were from Puffco.

8:46SpeakerSome of them were, I had a friend there and there were maybe like 12 or 13 people who took the class and it was great. I really, it was the most, Like totally like arcing overall. It was the most complete class I've ever put together. I wrote a 68 page document to go through the class. And then of course we, I did a presentation on the history of bubble hash.

9:12SpeakerThat's what I opened it up with. Then I did a photo essay of the 45 macro photos. See how well this will work if I take these AirPods off. See what kind of phone I have. And then if it's terrible, can you guys hear me okay?

9:29BubblemanMake sure I'm okay. I guess we don't really have anyone else talking to here right now other than ourselves. So maybe we could each just wear one of these.

9:42SpeakerHere, and you can put that in your right ear whenever you get a chance. Scott's just organizing his goods here. Here, you know what? You have so much stuff. Why don't I go here and we'll flip these to the other side and I'll give it to you, Stuart. I'll take that. I noticed something close. Oh, fair.

10:07SpeakerOkay.

10:10BubblemanIt's off in the house, dude. It's just off to that direction.

10:16BubblemanScott, really only a couple trips ago.

10:19SpeakerYeah, like maybe two months. We see a collection.

10:45SpeakerEvery piece. The rare tops, all the custom tops. Yeah.

11:11SpeakerI beg, somebody clip that and send that to my boss, please. So, like I was saying, the audio is cutting out.

11:29BubblemanWell, by computer, how about now? Let's see that. Your default microphone has changed to MacBook at microphone. Sound, check the chat. I'm reading the chat.

11:40SpeakerDo we have... It's down here. You can click on the audio.

11:42BubblemanDown sucks, right? Where? Right. I'll let you do this.

11:45SpeakerZoom thing. See here.

11:46BubblemanYeah, so audio settings. Just take out the... What is he saying? Just take out the what?

11:54SpeakerTake out the AirPods? Okay. Can you hear now? They said good, much better, better, better. Okay, so maybe this isn't the best way to do it.

12:01BubblemanOkay, dope.

12:03SpeakerAll right.

12:05BubblemanAll right. So I gave Scott his flowers and nobody heard, but it's recorded. So you can go back and listen to it. So someone asked a question. It was, oh, it was a good question. Oh, it was about the settings on the Puffco. And he asked my buddy Bingo, do you set yours on extreme intense? He went through the four options. Would you be able to explain that?

12:26BubblemanBecause I don't think a ton of people are doing that in the back end of their Puffcos.

12:30SpeakerSure, totally. So what those vapor control settings actually do is it's like whenever you guys torch a banger, right? Like if you just torch the bottom or like just torch it a little bit, it's not going to retain that heat and like maintain that super strong temperature. So those vapor modes can just increase your vapor without really increasing the overall temperature that the chamber is, right? So whenever I'm on like a lower temperature dab, I like to go intense mode because like I like clouds, right?

12:57SpeakerI like to get like a nice... You know, thick milky hit. So I generally go intense. Like my lower setting is probably around like 500, 510. And then you can even bump it up to like, like my highest setting. I'll go down to like bold or something like that to avoid chasing my chamber, especially when I'm smoking like full melt or like a really nice rosin. I don't want to go into like 560 on something like that anyway.

13:19SpeakerSo I think anytime you're north of like 560, I bump it down from intense to bold just to avoid any chasing complications you might have.

13:27BubblemanDude, that's good information. And I've been puffing Puffco's for like 10 years. And I have, I didn't know that even when you were like, let me set your settings up for Kyle the other day, I copied them all.

13:38SpeakerHey, you know, I need to figure it out. Totally. I mean, that's one cool thing in the app too, right? The app, you can actually share settings between people. There's like, you go into like your different settings that you have, you've got one, you're like, this is the best setting I've ever used. There's a share function. You can share it among your friends, like text message, discord.

13:54SpeakerInstagram DM, anything like that. So if you've got like, this is the setting that I know is like super dialed for me, you know, and I use a Pearl in mine. I use a PowerPack app in mine. So it's like with different air flows, you know, come different preferences, right? So the whole thing about Puffco is being able to dial in your experience and maintain a consistent experience, right?

14:13SpeakerSo like whenever you're torching a banger, right? You've got, you've got a very short peak where it's like right at, you know, 550, 540, whatever you're going in at, right? The advantage with the Puff Co is that you can dial it in and you can keep it there for up to two minutes, right? So it's really... We're trying to customize your experience as much as you can.

14:31SpeakerSo if you want to hit it down for a minute and 45 seconds, you can. If you want to hit it for 35, you can. And it'll maintain that temperature and maintain a consistent experience for you throughout. So I think it's great. We've got rigged apps downstairs, but it's on the go, especially with the link now too. I just really, really love what these devices can do and the different types of effects you can get.

14:56BubblemanHell yeah, dude. Town 5 Skunk. Happy birthday, dude. Go rip out that amaretto stour. Let's go. Hell yeah.

15:02SpeakerJames, can you ask when there will be a wireless charging cup for the proxy? I don't think the, so the proxy doesn't have the wireless charging capability in the base. So I don't think that there will be one. What I do recommend is like, you can get very affordable and very efficient power banks on Amazon or like other, I know these, the lights are weird. But yeah, like Amazon, like different places have like super good power banks that are like super fast, super safe, super efficient.

15:33SpeakerSo it's like, I'd recommend getting one of those. And also like with the new proxy, with the pivot, you can plug that into your phone and your phone will charge it. So it's like when I go to a concert, a baseball game, anything like that, I have my proxy plugged into my phone. It looks like a charger and then I'm able to consume hash wherever I want.

15:53BubblemanSo I discovered this by accident. I was on Whistler Mountain. Now Whistler Mountain has charge stations, but you have to leave it there, right? And then so I got my phone and my cable. And for whatever reason, I'm just like, I just plugged it into my pivot and it just started charging. And I thought, oh my God, this is the fucking all burned. I mean, I hit the core now, not the pivot, but when I was using the pivot, I'd kill it like three times over the course of a certain five plus hours.

16:21BubblemanTotally. Because I'm smashing it, dude. Yeah. Like taking fucking 10 dabs at a time or whatever.

16:26SpeakerBut when you're on the mountain, you're sharing, you know, other people are hitting two sometimes.

16:29BubblemanYeah, no, exactly. I feel like I missed another. Quartz beats ceramic, right? Okay. Yes, no, for sure. I mean, listen, quartz bangers, absolutely. I would say you're right, does beat a banger. But I have that unit you're talking about. And the first day that I opened it, and I pulled out one of those quartz inserts that you're talking about, and it shattered in my fingers. It was paper fucking thin.

16:53BubblemanSo personally, I don't think that is better than ceramic. Of course, banger, I love and prefer, but I honestly don't even know if that's more. I would love to start having Puffco blind taste tests on people like, you know, like testing the Puffco against other units, testing the Puffco at different temperatures, because I think people assume they know things to a certain level, but I think blind, it wouldn't be quite the same.

17:22BubblemanYou know, forever.

17:24SpeakerAnd I think also it doesn't have to be one or the other. I think it's tools in a tool belt. I have control towers, quave bangers, rigs at home, and I've got Puffco's as well and links and stuff. Like, I don't think you have to choose. For me, it's like tools in a tool belt and whatever, whatever the situation calls for.

17:41BubblemanI'm just trying to smoke hash with my friends as much as I can. No, fuck that. It's the cannabis industry. You have to choose. You have to choose and you have to be angry about it. Be angry. What's up, Kyle? Hey, Kyle. Hey, Kyle.

17:53Collin PalmerNothing, bro. And you know, you have to be right about everything.

17:57BubblemanYeah, exactly. Look into my eyes. Fucking vessel in the house.

18:04Collin PalmerNo, we all got to love each other more, man. And we got to understand that there's a big world out there that we may not be previewed to, you know, like everyone's so in their own world. And, uh, Yeah, man, it's like a big world of little pockets of people that are doing things that you're just not aware of. You know, I see it all the time with music and other mediums, if you will, out there.

18:29Collin PalmerAnd it's no different with cannabis, man. Phones that you thought were gone or not. And things that you thought may be, you know, out there in the wild that are lost or still here. So, you know. Love one another and respect one another. You know, it's too often we divide and, you know, this guy's better than that guy and life's too short for that stuff, man. You know, like, if that's your vibe, cool.

19:01SpeakerThere we go. Yeah. And it's like same team too, man. You know, we're all, we all, we all love the plant. You know, we all love the plant. We all love the community around it. And so like, you know, I just, I want to support everybody that's doing great work. I love Bullman's hash. I love all the buddies hash downstairs. It's like, we have such a great community.

19:18SpeakerWe have so much talent, so much artistry in the community. Thank you. I appreciate it.

19:25BubblemanThis guy bought me like six jars of fresh press today.

19:28Collin PalmerDude, some of my favorite stuff is Fresh Press, honestly. And I love seeing it transform through the different stages because you get different volatility, different profiles, you know.

19:41BubblemanAlso, the dude from Legends in L.A. a few years ago from Skunk OK who won. Oh, no shit. His brother came and he gave me seven jars yesterday. He took my course.

19:53Collin PalmerBig shout out to both those guys. I met them. I took third that year. Those guys were awesome people. And I just remember really connecting with them just because they were... He's like, I just showed up. I didn't really... Because I almost left, honestly. I almost was like, Addison, I'm out. I'm not winning. There's like... I'm here to just have fun. And he's like, no, like, I think you should stay.

20:15Collin PalmerAnd same with the same with that other cat. And I just remember his energy was so awesome. And he had he had many different types of resin with him that he's very talented. I mean, you know, and he has a he has a cool crew of people out there. So I hope wherever he's at today, he's expanding on his craft because he was he was on it, man.

20:35Collin PalmerLike that was a few years ago. So I'm sure he's gotten even better, you know.

20:41BubblemanYeah, we're going to go downstairs. For some reason, I keep getting this super loud sound up here. Sorry. Scott, got to carry all this shit. Check this out, Colin.

20:52Collin PalmerDude, that vent. Nice. Oh, no way.

20:58Collin PalmerThat's really cool. You got a baby grand hanging on.

21:02BubblemanCome to the reserve, Colin. You got to come.

21:05Collin PalmerI'm coming out. Yeah, I'll have to come out. That's rad. I want to get on those keys.

21:11BubblemanYeah, I would love for you to get on these keys, dude. Like you should come up for the Terps and Tallow dinner, bro. When's the date on it? June 6th. Yeah. Wow. They all left. This is amazing, dude. We could just sit right back down here. Look at our little spot here. I'll show you real quick. Look at this.

21:31Collin PalmerLook at the tables.

21:34BubblemanIt's awesome, dude. Not just brick walls like. It's all this. These are all Vincent Gordon.

21:42Collin PalmerOh, wow. Those are great. What was this venue? Was it like a restaurant or something? Like what? Dude, I have no idea.

21:48BubblemanSo it was like some art thing or something. You can take a massage chair in this in the super futuristic massage chair.

21:56Collin PalmerPlay the piano while I sit in that.

21:58BubblemanYeah, we'll put that up in the piano for you. And so you can sit on that. All right, here, I'll put this here.

22:03SpeakerWe'll get next to each other again.

22:05BubblemanPulling this off. It's interesting that I'm on your side and you're on this side.

22:10SpeakerI know.

22:11BubblemanThat's pretty trippy, actually. Right? There we go. There we go. So we're just having fun. Yeah, we got a bunch of people here. Oh, they're out on the back deck. We probably will have to move again when they come in here. Go to the pool table. It's all good.

22:25Collin PalmerWe could go to the pool table. Does the elevator go, is that the first floor or second floor, guys?

22:30BubblemanThis is the second floor. Actually, you know what? When they all come out here, me and him are going to jump in that elevator and we're going to go down to the pool table room and then we'll set up the computer and we'll do hash church while we play some pool. This place is so much fucking fun, dude. It's a good hangout.

22:45SpeakerGo to the gardens.

22:45BubblemanThat place looks expensive. No, dude. Super cheap, dude.

22:49SpeakerYeah.

22:50BubblemanWell, and he's like, it's great.

22:51SpeakerWe come here before Rocky's baseball games too, because the baseball stadium is just right outside. We're like right outside left field at Coors Field. And so come here, set up right before the game, then just walk across the street, catch a baseball game, come back. It's great. The location here is awesome.

23:06BubblemanThat's cool. It is. People from Colorado that come here, Colin, are literally blown away. They're like, what the fuck? You know, because last night, for instance, last night, it was like 1130 at night, maybe 12. And it's very busy here. The bars are kind of hopping and people are walking back and forth. Kyle's like, let's load up. Let's roll some cannons. And I'm going to bring my nice chairs outside.

23:30BubblemanAnd we're going to sit out on the front street because he has a private gated front street area. And we just sat out there puffing joints, which is illegal in Denver, unless you're in your house, which we were in Kyle's house. Like just, it was great. Yeah, it was one of the best vibes.

23:47Collin PalmerYeah, I was going to ask you, I remember talking to Adam Dunn about it and he was like, you know, Denver's dope, but I just, you know, I can't do these events like I'm used to, you know, and sounds like that's kind of shifting a little bit, right? Is that, does that sound, feels like there's now venues that you can do sessions at? Is that kind of changing over there now?

24:09Collin PalmerNow that the, you know, Things have evolved a little bit in the world.

24:15BubblemanI mean, he could speak to it better than me because I don't live here in regards to that. But I know that Kyle's created this as a private residence. So it's totally different. He's throwing like parties with his friends kind of thing. It's not like a public venue.

24:29Collin PalmerYeah, because like in New York, it's sort of like that where you can have as long as it's a private event, you can there's social consumption can can happen.

24:40SpeakerSure. And we've, we've, they've been a little more relaxed with like the cannabis, like lounge licenses here too. We've seen more of those popping up over like the past year or two. I still think it's like, it's technically illegal to like smoke a joint on the sidewalk walking through downtown or like in a public space where other people are. Um, but. When you do, I've never been stopped or questioned or anything.

25:04SpeakerIt's also like pretty common. So it's like, I think it's one of those kind of like look the other way. As long as you're not being like a nuisance, they'll kind of leave you alone.

25:12Collin PalmerGot it. Right on.

25:13SpeakerLet's have a dab. Have a dab, Colin.

25:16Collin PalmerI'm going to do that right now.

25:17BubblemanI'm giving you one, dude. Fucking take it, bro.

25:19Collin PalmerCan I just get in?

25:20BubblemanLet me. Yeah, there you go.

25:22Collin PalmerVirtually, you know, can AI get to the physical world yet?

25:27BubblemanI think so. All my friends are talking about it and driving me nuts. It seems pretty difficult. I know, right? Dude, you got to get on AI, bro. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to stick to this hash making thing. I've been doing it 30 years. I feel confident in it. I've betted on it time and time again. I'm happy to use anything as a tool like this, for instance.

25:48BubblemanYou know what I was going to mention is these dudes are on the level of like the highest connoisseur level, like the way it used to be with ships and torches and, you know, everyone's got all this great. It's amazing to see that that's happening with Puffco's now. Like literally, we were hitting the link last night through one of Kyle's glass pipes. We should actually probably pull out a link here in a bit.

26:10Archive SeedsOh my God, dude.

26:12BubblemanI was just thinking about the link. Let's go, dude.

26:15Archive SeedsOh, hell yeah.

26:17Collin PalmerSo who's who's works this? Oh, Robertson.

26:23SpeakerOh, this guy.

26:25Collin PalmerLook at this fucking back of the head. I like it. Hell yeah.

26:32BubblemanHe's so fucking talented.

26:35Collin PalmerI like the giraffes too. Those are cool.

26:39BubblemanOh, thank you.

26:41SpeakerWant a bagel?

26:42BubblemanNo, I'm totally joking. Busting your balls. I'll give you half if you want. Dude, I know. It's not funny if you just be nice.

26:59SpeakerAll right. Anyway, yeah.

27:02Collin PalmerI went to do some gardening today in the morning and I found like seven or eight volunteers just popping up.

27:09BubblemanVolunteers?

27:10Collin PalmerYeah, just like little seedlings that you, you know, you look down and you're like, oh, look at these guys.

27:15BubblemanHey, what are you doing down there? What are you doing here? Who put you here? I always think when I see a plant like that, You know, leave them.

27:25SpeakerI'm always thinking like, oh, I wonder if there's magic in there.

27:28BubblemanI remember my friend Felix. He was owl genetics back in the days in Switzerland. I can't remember exactly where in Switzerland he lived, but it was like north of Lugano. And I went to his little outdoor grow. We had a beautiful little cliffside outdoor grow in the semi-south of Italy or Switzerland near the Italian border. Thank you so much for joining us.

28:08BubblemanAnd I got there and there was like 150 plants growing out of it just in all directions. And I was just like, dude, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, that's my, he's like, that's my water hash crop. I smoke the flower and I make seeds and dry sift with this. And just this, he's like, the first time I ever did water hash, it grew me a whole crop.

28:29BubblemanAnd I turned it into water hash the next year. And that's what he does every year. His water hash grows out of his water hash crop. Graveyard where he makes essentially what this is.

28:39Collin PalmerThis is my water hash graveyard. Honestly, that's what it is straight up. That's literally where these seeds came from, which is funny because I was like, huh, I wonder which ones that these are. Like I started rifling through my head. I was like, oh, I watched this. I watched that. I'm like, it could be any one of these 14 varietals. I don't know. You know what I mean?

28:59BubblemanSo I like how you called them volunteers.

29:02Collin PalmerYeah, because they are, they just like volunteered to come up for some reason. And it's late too, brother. They're like, I washed those all winter. Like they've just been sitting there. That's awesome. That is awesome.

29:17BubblemanOh my goodness. I'm, what a whirlwind tour, man. That was really fun yesterday doing that class. Low temp had everything set up so good. Their tools are so nice. Everything's so nice.

29:27Collin PalmerWhat did you, so tell me about it. Like what did you... You know, how did you go through the class?

29:36BubblemanI opened the class with the history on water extraction. I wanted everyone to know about Ed Rosenthal, Neville, Skunk Man Sam, Reinhard Delp, Mila, myself, and anyone else who kind of played a part in the history of it. Because my history is just the history I learned. I'm not trying to manipulate it or put it in favor. It's just the story that we should know because it's cost me fucking hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn it, dude.

30:04BubblemanLike, holy Christ. Those lawyers were absolutely spectacularly expensive. So I opened up with the history of water hash, kind of how I fit into it, a little bit of my story. Then I did like a 50 to 60 photo, macro photo from seed to resin, you know, showing them the bitumen off the cotyledons, showing them all the first set of leaves, the trichomes on the epicotyl. Coming out of the caudal of dawn, like just kind of giving them all the terms.

30:32BubblemanAnd when you have the terms and you have the pictures and you have it in your mind, like for me at least, I could start searching for these things and understanding like, because before I knew the term glandular trichome, everyone called them trichromes. They were like, it's trichromes, bro. And if you search trichromes, like you'll never find anything. Right? Like when I started searching glandular trichomes, I found university papers doing mint extracts.

30:58BubblemanI found like 100 different cultivars or different types of species of plants that secrete essential oils in glandular trichomes. But, you know, not having the right language, trichromes, do you remember a single person calling it anything but trichromes?

31:16SpeakerThat's how old we are, bro. Dude, look at the trichromes, bro.

31:19BubblemanEvery once in a while, someone super intelligent that I know will say trichromes, and I'll be like, whoa, what are you saying, dude? There's no R. It's not chrome.

31:31Collin PalmerIt's not a chrome. We're not making rims here. We're not making rims. But I definitely remember saying trichrome for certain. 100%. I think we all did said and did a lot of things that were wrong. You know, like, I think the way Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, I never said that. You know, like, I don't know, I thought back about how I used to dry stuff. And it just evolves, you know, you learn and there was no one at the time to tell us no, or that's wrong.

32:01Collin PalmerYou kind of had to just figure it out. Yeah.

32:08Collin PalmerAnd I think that's the beauty of where we're at today is that there's so many people. I, you know, as I relate a lot to music, it reminds me of like beat making where like people are like, I figured out how to side chain, learn how to side chain this way. And there's all these different ways to do these different techniques together. Hell yeah. And there's, you know, it's nice today to see people sharing that work online and That's what I love about it is that we have a sense of community through creation and we get generally excited to when someone else makes something it gets you to go into your lab or your workspace and come out with something that you've made that's inspired by that.

32:49Collin PalmerWhich is such a cool call and response to you know to the to the work and the work ethic and You know, just being so into chasing that, you know, because it's we're all chasing sort of the same idea, but it's we're kind of how we get there slightly different, which I kind of love, man. It's like the tools. Everyone's got a different setup, you know, different RPMs.

33:16BubblemanWell, you know, that's interesting that you say that because in teaching the class yesterday, one of the things I really found the most difficult was, you know. There's so many ways to do it. And I said, I said, look, and part of what makes you guys passionate about this, which I would never want to take away, is how you change little things to make it yours. To connect to it even more, right?

33:39BubblemanThe hash making, whatever. Although I use a different technique. It's like, exactly. So when you're teaching a class like that, the other thing is, am I teaching the hash maker to Thank you so much for joining us.

34:13BubblemanYou know, like the most insanely low margin, high cost product. So I was simultaneously kind of teaching about trying to teach the hash maker like, look, when we were getting into freeze drying, I did a whole hour and a half on freeze drying yesterday, dude, I went super on the fucking, the direction of the pull of the vacuum, the temperature of the, you know, basically the three variables, pull, tampon, and time.

34:39BubblemanAnd how much hash you put in creates more pressure in the vessel. And we just went super deep on it. And it was like, Holy shit, dude. Like you can go deep down that rabbit hole. That was probably my favorite part of the course was the freeze drying component. I just made notes like a 68 page note document.

34:55SpeakerYeah.

34:56BubblemanIn the end, I was like, I'm going to give it to all. I told the students at the start of the class, I said, I'll just give this to you. And then you don't have to like worry about like taking notes. And you know what I mean? Like I'll just the whole thing point by point. Everything I spoke on is in a document. And yeah.

35:13Collin PalmerIt's a document. It's it's an amazing subject. It's it's such a cool subject because it's it's I always say that's in contemporary hash. That's kind of where defines your your marker, you know, and quality because you've done all this work up until this like very definitive moment.

35:31BubblemanDude, we're the dryers.

35:33Collin PalmerThat's you can either you can either over dry it, under dry it. You know, like there's all these, these, you know, there's, there's these choices.

35:40BubblemanWhich is the best way to learn where the sweet spot is. I was telling them, don't be afraid to make mistakes, but make sure if you're making your worst mistakes, it's not on someone else's dollar. And a lot of the hashtags were like, I have good ideas. You know, but my boss doesn't necessarily want to listen to me. And I said, I can get your boss to listen to you.

35:58BubblemanNo problem. He said, how? I said, tell your boss you have an incredible idea. You want to implement the idea. Give him $100,000. And if you lose him any money, he can take it out of the 100K. So then your idea is paid for by you instead of him. And he was like, oh, yeah, he's like, that's true. I get like, he didn't see it from the perspective.

36:17BubblemanSo what I want to do is I want to connect the hash maker to the owner mentality. So they're not doing this, right? They're kind of doing this.

36:25SpeakerYeah.

36:26BubblemanLike, so the other podium products, you just can't do it at a loss of a margin and in a non-economically viable way.

36:34Collin PalmerAnd here's another thing that I recommend, and I do this myself even to this day as an owner. I do it on my own time, outside of the company, outside of the thing, outside of the concept, whatever it might be. If you're a grower, you know, it's running plants on your time, on your dime, to then maybe one day bring into an end table, to then add a couple more plants to that to see how that does, to then maybe take over a half a table to then fully take over a room.

37:03Collin PalmerBut not many people are willing to do that type of work. So you have to select and keep selecting and do it on, as Marcus said, on your dollar, unless you want to give someone else the money. Because, yeah, that variability of loss is too great. So do the runs and then bring it in. And then you have the data, you have the, you know, call it the risk mitigation that owner is looking for.

37:30Collin PalmerAnd then you can actually bring new things. It's the only way. I wouldn't recommend just going for it because you're ultimately, like Marcus said, you're going to lose time and time again.

37:45Etienne FontanYeah.

37:45Collin PalmerSo, yeah, because it's your point, like freeze drying, you know, you can, length is not your enemy. It's how well do you understand when you're pulling, you know, the heater on off at what mTOR.

38:00BubblemanYou know, you can do a relationship between all three of them. Really, it's it's that that's that's the key. A lot of people don't understand it, which is fine because you can fake it till you make it by just getting settings from a post or a group. And once you get those settings, if you're like, ah, I don't know, I'm going to go even just it's just direction.

38:18BubblemanIt makes it a little harder when there's a third variable, because if there's just two, it's just going back and forth. Obviously, when there's that third one, it's also going up. And yeah, And then you got to really hit it right in the middle. As I get older, I realize everything has a sweet spot. And the only way to discover it is by being aware enough that you even recognize the variables.

38:41BubblemanAnd once you can recognize the variables, then you just tune them in to this, to that, play around for a while. Maybe it takes a year. Maybe it takes a week. What a fun journey.

38:54Collin PalmerYeah. I mean, We all failed until you don't fail anymore, you know, and then you fail differently, right? So that's kind of the gist of it. So you have to be willing to try things and be comfortable with that. I think you're nailing it. Because you can't build a business in hash making with that mentality that you and I both grew up on, basically, which was what we get is what we get.

39:23BubblemanThat's the thing. I know, dude.

39:25Collin PalmerYou know what I mean? Like, you remember when we were just like happy that we got something from the bags? Like it was, I think people realize like it's, it's evolved for, I think, I like this in such a different way. Not only did we get shitty yields, often it had no taste.

39:45BubblemanYes, because so much of the how much can we get and how fast can we get it, which is based on prohibition for like 100 years, that focus that created a focal point on how people bred and sold and used cannabis specifically, which led us into this. How much THC is there and how much does it cost? Right. It's been prohibition. Yeah. Has been responsible. Now we have something different, which I've been talking about a little bit since I've been here.

40:11BubblemanWe have all these young hash makers crossing plants and, you know, pheno stumbling as Chimera might call it. Right. And I get it like, yeah, those genetics, you put them in large grows. They're probably not going to produce, which is kind of an amazing thing that the hash makers who are growing these things in tents and on much smaller levels are almost protected from some of these flavor profiles getting into bigger companies because the genetics would I think when you breed specifically for flavor and wash amounts, then you are obviously dropping the ball on resistance to insects, resistance to powdery mildew, viruses, bacterias, fungi, right?

40:51BubblemanLike the plant, those are things that you have to strengthen and build in the plant through proper breeding. And no one in the hash making world is doing that. Just, you know, making these beautiful crosses of incredibly awesome flavors. And it kind of protects it from ever going to a larger scale because of the way these plants are just being crossed, right? It's not like it's a three year breeding project with 100,000 seeds and but they both have such value.

41:19BubblemanYou know what I mean? Like Skunk Man Sam could take his skunk number one and plant five acres of it and get the greatest fucking hash off that shit that any of us have ever smoked. It melted my brain the first time I asked him, where do you think the best weed in the world, like what conditions do you think the best weed in the world grow?

41:36BubblemanAnd he's like, oh, I could do it in the field. And I was like, a field? And even the word field, I was like, like field weed?

41:44Collin PalmerIt's like, yeah, with the right environment makes makes the most sense to me. Yeah, I hear I hear loud. Twenty five years ago when I asked. Yeah, no. And he knows because, you know, he's done the work with, you know, his lines and he's put it together. You know, but the thing I also often think about is it also goes both ways because some of the things that we cherish so much in our cultural circles like chems and sours and any of these offsprings of that are, as you said, things that we stumbled upon, right?

42:21Collin PalmerThese weren't intentional outcrosses that someone made. So I think, you know, a blend of, of, of kind of what Sam's school of thought is, and this kind of, you know, found object, if you will, of, of flavor, if you, you know, if you want to call it that, that we've kind of experienced from, I want to say like the late eighties to the, to the early two thousands, that, that moment of genetic kind of, um, There's just like this wonder years of genetics that we had between that decade.

42:57Collin PalmerAnd I think that's the thing that, you know, we're all kind of chasing still to this day is that 10 year, 10, 15 year period from late 80s to like 2003, if you will. So I just think that we have to We have to really kind of understand that there's a lot of work to do on the genetic side still, even with everyone doing all this work.

43:22BubblemanSo yeah, no, absolutely. I obviously both sides have to exist, especially when you think of, you know, on the large scale of getting product out to the world. I just love this very tight hash community. Everyone's kind of like simultaneously following these unsaid rules. You got to have these jars, you got to have them wrapped like this. And it's just like a nice part of the culture.

43:46BubblemanAnd it definitely feels like for sure. I don't think it could grow as fast without this because the rigs, I know a lot of us were willing to carry those around. It seems less and less people are willing to have torches, butane, isopropanol, dunk fucking tanks, dab rights, glass pipes, Pelican cases, like fuck dudes. It's like, it is a relief. Honestly, I will compare it to photography.

44:15BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

44:46BubblemanAs this is to the expensive glass rig. And you know what? They put out the link. They're like, hey, you know what? We'll give you the link. You can still do it and operate it with this. This is too fucking convenient.

44:57Collin PalmerThe link is the digital back, right?

44:59BubblemanDude, it's just too convenient and you get such, yeah, exactly. You get such killer, torches are awesome if you're at home and not an idiot. I haven't used a torch in like two years since I got a D-Nail universal heater. My banger sits in that 24-7.

45:12Collin PalmerI love a torch. But do you want to buy a box of gas?

45:16BubblemanNo, I hate torches. Why do you love a torch? It's fucking me. I mean, I have a box of gas, but I don't buy it. You turn it on at a party and there's always someone like, oh, you know, and you bring a whole group of people with torches and banger baskets and put them on beautiful wood tables like this. And then you spend $3,000 fixing said wood tables after Legends of Hash because of the damage that the alcohol and the fucking one girl litter litter whole banger basket on fire with their fucking torch.

45:47Collin PalmerI was going to say, I was going to, yeah, the point that was like, that's also a fire hazard.

45:52BubblemanSo listen, I told the story the other day.

45:54SpeakerRemember when I only smoked with Beeline?

45:57BubblemanI had the hemp twine with the beeswax and I was taking jabs off the ball and rips off the ball and I hit a rip out of my bong and then I'd shake it to put it out and then I'd put it down next to my desk. Well, dude, like four minutes or five minutes later, my wife walks into my office to bring me lunch and she goes, what?

46:20BubblemanWhy is your desk on fire? And I look over and that ball has like a two foot flame coming off of it. I was like, holy shit. This is like a dangerous. That was kind of the beginning of the end for me of using that. Don't.

46:39SpeakerYeah. I think another important thing aspect of that is like.

46:47SpeakerWhenever you go home for Thanksgiving, you've got like the aunties and your grandma and shit like that. It's like, if you are in the bathroom with a torch every like 15 or 20 minutes, some grandmas and aunties might be totally cool with that. But others might think it's a little weird and think like, for me, it's like this, instead of being like something that makes people worry about you, it can start a conversation.

47:08SpeakerIt could be for somebody that's not used to hash, not used to dabbing, not used to torches, not used to bangers, and are like, I think it's important for people who are kind of skeptical of that, I think it can break down that barrier and start a conversation with them to where they're more open to it and they see it as not a hard drug or not something that's scary or not something that they should be worried about and something that might be a gateway for somebody who might not have otherwise stepped through it.

47:32SpeakerAnd I think that's important for growing the space. I think taking down the fear and the wariness of people

47:43SpeakerThank you for watching.

48:05SpeakerEverybody hits rig dabs, right? But it's like, I can't hit them all the time. I can't hit them when I go with my wife and kid to a wedding and I don't want my mother-in-law and father-in-law seeing me go away with a torch all the time. It's like, I've got tools in my tool belt so that I can do what I want to do, which is smoke cash all the time with my friends.

48:21SpeakerSo I just saw some of the comments and I just wanted to like throw that out there. It's like, that's what I feel is important. It's like, it's starting conversations and it's breaking down barriers so that We can be more mainstream so that we can have, so that we can put more people on to our favorite hash makers. So we can put more people on to our favorite glass makers.

48:38SpeakerSo we can put people on to our favorite artists like Skully Vibes over here. It's like, that's what we want to do. We just want to put people on because we love it. Skully, say hi. Hi, how's it going? Sorry. I'm like trying to figure out my iPad. Yeah, that's what the reserve's about. Just trying to put people on to the dope shit that we love.

49:00BubblemanSo well said in regards to... And I've talked about this quite a bit. There were billions of dollars put into the propaganda against cannabis. And all of those things that got tied in there will always get the reaction of maybe creating worry in some of your loved ones rather than comfort and, you know... And the Volcano was one of the first companies to design something that was so radically different that it didn't fit into the prohibition of cannabis.

49:29BubblemanAnd they designed it for hospitals so people could have these bags in hospitals. And I think whether you guys tried or not, you designed these just enough that they don't stand out in public as a drug tool they don't fit into the prohibition of cannabis like people don't be like you know maybe this one but even really not but like the the core the pivot absolutely not even the proxy with the original pipe i'd hit that at like my kid's soccer game like all debonair and i just hit it like it was a pipe and no one looked or anything so i mean i'm in vancouver i'm in a very cannabis friendly spot but I think that these do not create that discomfort.

50:11BubblemanLike you said, they do create a conversation and a dialogue. And because it's so different and unique and futuristic, people, listen, in Canada, it's federally legal. So that fits the mindset. Like 80% of the people that are like, I won't ever do that. They just go, oh, I'll try that now. And you'd be like, what? Well, yeah, I was never against it. It was just illegal. It's like, fuck, I kind of could have, it seemed like you were against it.

50:35BubblemanWell, it's like I was because it was illegal.

50:37SpeakerYeah.

50:37BubblemanI'm like, okay, that's interesting. Like, I've never been so fervent in listening to a law before.

50:44SpeakerTotally. And that's like the weird and complicated part of the states, right? It's like we're in Colorado right here where cannabis is completely legal, but one state over in Kansas, it's completely not. And so you always have to be aware and cognizant of where you're going. But another part of the Puffco is like, you can fly with it. So like, that's nice. Dude, it makes travel easy.

51:03BubblemanListen, I like landing and having a tool that I can rip right away.

51:08SpeakerTotally.

51:09BubblemanThat's what I loved my first trip to Jamaica. We drove five minutes outside of the airport. Anyone that went to Jamaica in the 90s would know this. Probably still the same way. There was just a dude standing on the side of the road holding a big bud. And I was like, pull over. I want to see that. I looked and it was actually like a nice bud.

51:24BubblemanAnd I bought it off the guy.

51:25SpeakerAnd I was like, driving down the road five minutes later, like rolling this weed. This was in like 95.

51:31BubblemanI thought this is an amazing place. This is definitely a place I can get behind. How you doing, Fletch? Long time, brother.

51:39Archive SeedsHow's it going, guys?

51:40BubblemanIt's going good, dude. Are you back home now?

51:43Archive SeedsYep, for a minute. And then back to Hawaii? No, I've been all over Michigan.

51:51BubblemanDude, I was just in Michigan.

51:54Archive SeedsYeah.

51:56BubblemanWe should have linked up in Michigan.

51:58Archive SeedsYeah, well, I was there a couple weeks ago. I've just been all around. I've got a bunch of shit I'm moving around.

52:05BubblemanOkay, okay. Yeah, I was just there maybe 10 days ago, so it was very close. I went to the exchange there. It was good. I'd never been there. I do prefer Colorado, though, I will say.

52:17Archive SeedsYeah, I mean, it's... You know, Colorado's got the, was first to market, but it looks like Michigan's taken over the reign in terms of smaller states that, in terms of market share and, you know, continuing operations, I guess. You know, there's a lot of people.

52:36BubblemanI think we can thank Ohio for a big chunk of that. My lab is next to Exclusive, which I think is the biggest dispensary or the busiest or most sale dispensary in the state. My lab is literally right next to it. It's painted like a cookies building. It's all blue. And I guess they were going to do something with cookies. In Monroe, I'm guessing. In Monroe. Giant signs.

52:59BubblemanWelcome out of state. Hundreds of cars in the parking lot. All Ohio plates. And my buddy was like, yeah, dude, this is why we're so big in Michigan. Like it's, you know, it's like, why do you think Oklahoma has the most store dispensaries in all of the U.S.? Like thousands because of the bordering. States that aren't legal.

53:22Archive SeedsExactly. Yeah. I think that'll quickly change though. I mean, as we've seen, I mean, I always make this point. It's only been 10 years since like there was a lack of weed everywhere and, and very few legal spots. And now you've already got overproduction and everything else. Yeah. You know, quickly at everybody's heels. So it'll be interesting the next five years, I think, to see where it all ends up or what states end up with the best laws, cost of operations, et cetera, especially with Schedule 3 coming in, at least for medical operators.

54:01BubblemanYeah, it seems like a lot of, well, and some of the states like are only medical, right? So I guess they're going to, they got to get their DA export or whatever that license is, medical license. Yeah.

54:14Archive SeedsWell, I mean, theoretically, like Oklahoma is all medical. So it's like, you know, places like that may be able to take advantage of schedule three coming online and then be able to export product or whatever it may be. Sick. Yeah. Or import. Yeah.

54:31BubblemanThey always like to export more than import.

54:35Archive SeedsWell, I think that's true for any business. I mean, if you look at any industry, there's only two types of businesses that really work. There's local supply and then there's international distribution. Anything other than that, you kind of get eaten up in between because you're not accessing all the markets that want your product, but you're not really servicing your local people at whatever level they want. Yeah, true story.

55:01BubblemanWell, when are you going to get out to Colorado?

55:06Archive SeedsI'm not sure. You know, that high elevation, it's hard to live in a little bit.

55:13BubblemanReally? I think I spend so much time on top of Whistler Mountain that I don't feel affected by it at all.

55:19Archive SeedsYeah, for me, like when I lived in Colorado, just the elevation and stuff and the dryness, especially in the wintertime, man, it was just brutal.

55:29BubblemanThe dryness I feel. The dryness I feel. I'm definitely like the inside of my nose is like a little bit sore.

55:36Archive SeedsThat's my issue. And with weed allergies and then that kind of climate, oh man, it's... You know, I got the chapstick out rubbing my nose instead of my lips. 100%, man.

55:48BubblemanWell, we're going to just get you out for a couple of days for a visit one day. We'll do some fucking crazy shit if they're reserved here. Cool.

56:00BubblemanThere's a mad session going on here. It's actually pretty impressive. Like these guys are fucking smashing dabs right beside me. This dude has not stopped since we got here. What type is that actually?

56:11Etienne FontanThis is a lurk of the world.

56:13BubblemanLurk? Yep. Jesus Christ.

56:16Collin PalmerAnd a duck.

56:17Etienne FontanFrog alien sculpture.

56:19BubblemanIt's a frog alien sculpture, dude. Come on, you know better.

56:22SpeakerLook, Skully's over here just fucking drawing up a story.

56:30BubblemanWith the crew here, man. We got the crew. Nice and mellow. This is my last day after two weeks of traveling in the US. My longest trip here since I was able to come here 30 years ago. It was great fun. Colorado is awesome. I quite like it. I'm not affected by the I don't get the dizzy thing. I don't have the allergies, but I definitely feel the dry nose.

56:56BubblemanBut I can't let that stop me. It's fucking It's too much fun. So after my course yesterday, I did a course with Low Temp Fletch, still like a small little class at their facility, you know, going over washing and pressing and freeze drying and sort of lab and equipment set up and a couple other things, history and some photos, but it was pretty sick. Everyone's puffing the whole class through and then at the end of it, I hit my buddy Kyle up and I'm like, hey, man, I want to invite some of these dudes, you know, back to the back to the reserve.

57:31BubblemanAnd he's like, invite all of them, like all of them. So we had like a ton of them come back after the fucking the event last night and we just smashed dabs for my God. I think it was till midnight. It was really quite lovely. Reserve equals private Denver venue downtown for classy cannabis events. That is true, Kello Middy. That's true. That's Kello Middy.

57:54SpeakerYep.

57:54BubblemanThere's Katie. I pray you have safe travels home. Thank you, Katie. I guess I'm not going to see you again. I guess you're not coming over for Ash. I invited her. Did you? Yeah. Well, what the heck.

58:03SpeakerSorry, Katie. Katie. I don't know. She might have messaged me and I probably forgot.

58:12BubblemanJen Doe was going to come on today. I don't know if you guys saw her post of that weird shit she found in her hash.

58:18Collin PalmerOh, the reformed radiation? Yeah, I've seen that before.

58:22BubblemanI don't know exactly what it is. Everyone's guessing, I think.

58:26Collin PalmerIt looks like... I think it's stocks, but... Yeah.

58:30BubblemanAnyway, one guy said something that really resonated with me. He was like, I've seen that before when there were plants grown near the greenhouse that like release these little seedly things. And I remember seeing them one time to these just they look like systolic hairs, they kind of look like the same glass, except they're long and stretched out. But they don't have like that specific, like sections of their body the way powdery mildew does.

58:55Collin PalmerIt looks like Cicela hairs to me, but anyway, we should get it tested, man. I mean, why not?

59:00BubblemanYeah, she was going to come on and talk about it. She started quite a conversation online. There was definitely like, look, nobody knows what it is, right? You can guess, but there was a lot of good guesses. I was actually surprised as to the amount of guesses that people had.

59:15Archive SeedsYeah. Well, I think the real question is, is it part of the cannabis plan or is it something else?

59:21BubblemanExactly. That is the question.

59:23Collin PalmerIt's definitely the question.

59:25BubblemanThat is especially when the guy came in and said I've seen that with weeds growing next to my plants before they blew over in the wind and got attached and then we like you know they ended up in our in our head.

59:36Archive SeedsWell if you look at um if you look at powdery mildews um fruiting bodies uh um Under a microscope, the spores are set or it comes out of the leaf and it sends out like what looks like a hair and then there's a spore at the end of the hair. That would be my guess.

59:58Collin PalmerIt's a good guess. It's a solid guess. I mean, that's what the work at medicinal genomics that I saw resulted in. And it's like very surface level. Like anything you get off the surface level, it'll hook back in. And if you leave it for long enough, it'll just on that same site will grow back again. If you played it, you can watch it in time lapse.

1:00:23Archive SeedsYeah, yeah. I mean, like, just because, like, it's just like a mushroom, right? You'll never see a mushroom until you see the fruiting body. Totally. And so, you know, powdery mildew is invisible until you see the actual mushroom growing. And then even if you get rid of the mushroom, the mycelial network or the, you know, the anchor essentially in the case of powdery mildew is still there and it's, you haven't killed it.

1:00:49Archive SeedsAnd that's why you need translaminar pesticides to actually kill it or eradicate it, at least from that site.

1:00:56Collin PalmerYou can, I think you can use, you know, products like, like cease, you know, that has, you You know, a particular bacteria that will sit on the leaf area and surface area. It's just your application rate has to be quite often. You have to isolate something like that.

1:01:18Archive SeedsWell, you basically have to prevent spores from germinating on the leaf surface. Essentially, that's what you're doing. You're saying, hey, we're going to take up this real estate with this bacteria so that a fungus can't attach itself here.

1:01:32BubblemanYeah. Hey, Fletch, did you see what James and Bike did with the AGI intelligence and Hash Church recently?

1:01:41Archive SeedsNo, I just saw like your post maybe yesterday talking about it or something like, or a couple days ago talking about it.

1:01:47BubblemanYeah, they created.

1:01:48Archive SeedsNow it's like searchable or something like that.

1:01:50BubblemanIt's all searchable, dude. They created, like they made Hash Church, all of our words, a database. They transcribed everything and then they put it into this intelligent AGI thing. I don't understand exactly. It's not an LLM. It's not like. Thank you.

1:02:20BubblemanYeah, we could literally, like how many people have asked you over the years, what episode did you guys talk about this? I kind of would like to go back and it's like, all you have to do is search it and then it'll pop up links of every time we spoke about those things. And then you click the link and it takes you to that point on the video where, so that the answer is in the words of the person they're looking to get the answer from, right?

1:02:41BubblemanIf they were like, oh, Fletcher was talking about like, I can't remember. It was something about freeze dryers and screens and they punch in fletch freeze dryer screens. And then like every time you ever spoke about any of those things on Hash Church, a link comes up that is like, boop, click on it and listen to what you said. It's fucking super cool, dude.

1:03:00Archive SeedsYeah, it's it's pretty cool. Just having like a conglomerate conglomerating app, you know, where it takes all the information and actually is able to, you know, take a lot of human hours to do the same.

1:03:14BubblemanYeah, it's definitely, someone just said finally some useful AI. I have to say, I was super, super impressed with it. It's going to go live right away in a week, I think. It'll be at hashbible.org. And that'll be kind of, there's a little, they've created a nice little webpage and it sort of shows like the panelists and the people that are on more often than not. And then the search function, which lets you just, yeah, I mean, All of that information is so valuable, but it hasn't been valuable because you'd have to go back and listen to 2000 hours to find any one thing you wanted to hear.

1:03:50BubblemanAnd that's not really that's that's not reasonable. So sweet.

1:03:56Archive SeedsYeah, it's pretty cool. I'm always about anything that's You know, putting all the data information in a more readable format, especially if it's a verbal history, because like you said, there's no real way to collect that information without watching hours and hours and hours of content. Some of it, most of it probably isn't relevant to whatever the question you're actually asking is in that certain circumstance.

1:04:22BubblemanYeah, exactly. And I've just had literally like hundreds of people over the years ask me, do you remember when Skunk Man Sam talked about like flipping the plants, but only for like a couple hours or something to find the females and the males? And I was like, dude, seriously, like how the fuck could I possibly remember? Yes, I remember. Absolutely. It was at one hour and 47 minutes.

1:04:42BubblemanIt was episode blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I wish I could. But we've done too many shows, man. I just and talked for too many hours.

1:04:53Archive SeedsThe tism isn't strong enough.

1:04:55BubblemanDid you see that Hash Church peaked out in the top 100 church podcasts of Canada? We are number three in the top 100 church podcasts in Canada. Do you know that, Fletch?

1:05:11Archive SeedsThat sounds like a good thing for weed, but maybe bad for religion.

1:05:18Archive SeedsDude. If weed religion has become one of the top three religions, then, you know, we better get on the spaghetti monster and all the other ones too then.

1:05:27BubblemanAbsolutely. Oh my God, dude. Anyway, it was, it was hilarious. I'm thinking some guy. Who's like, I'm going to do an article. I'm going to hire a Claude agent to like scrape the internet and create a hunt. Cause like, as if there's even a hundred fucking church podcasts in Canada, like that seems like a lot.

1:05:45Archive SeedsIt's kind of hard to believe. Cause you think like there's those people, maybe in Canada, I guess, because you guys are kind of ahead on this curve, but at least in the U S we've got like, uh, Texas and all these places that have those mega churches where they make millions of dollars. You'd think they'd have a podcast with millions of viewers, but I guess nobody in Canada watches that shit.

1:06:08Archive SeedsI guess Dr. Joel or Joel Osmond or whatever the guy's name and all those scammers in Texas.

1:06:13BubblemanThey're not popular in Canada. Yeah, they don't even know we exist. They think we're like we live in igloos. I mean, at this point, it might be getting close. It's not far off, dude. Crushing the economy. Just crushing the economy.

1:06:31Archive SeedsIt's suicidal empathy. It's becoming a problem. That's for sure.

1:06:36BubblemanYeah, that is exactly the term. It is suicidal empathy. It's absolutely batshit bonkers. It's like, and it's strange. I don't even think it's suicidal empathy. I think it's weaponized nurturing and empathy. They're weaponizing the nurturing of a certain group who wants to nurture and care for the vulnerable. At the expense of everybody else. Of course.

1:07:06Archive SeedsOf course, dude. Everything's fine to pay for as long as you don't have to pay for it.

1:07:13BubblemanHey, hey, we don't say that out loud here on Hash Church. We're trying to maintain our third place Hash Church podcast, our church podcast. Oh my God. Kind of piping popping on there. Get a little. What are you hitting there, Fletch?

1:07:30Archive SeedsI've got some new diesel, 90 micron, first run.

1:07:34BubblemanFuck yeah, let's puff full melt.

1:07:36SpeakerFull melt.

1:07:37BubblemanLet's pop full melt, dude. We got some grease.

1:07:40Collin PalmerI'm going to go to my freezer to get it.

1:07:42BubblemanThis is a Bubble Man brand full melt here in Colorado. It's Lemonhead and it is a killer. It's such a nice high. Like it's the high is just so enjoyable. It's been a long time since I've been puffing so many varieties of like everyone has incredible hash. There's just so much. There's so much beautiful hash just on the table right now. But I hit this the other day for the first time when my partner Dan brought it over and I was like, dude, this is this is that high that I'm looking for.

1:08:12BubblemanSo.

1:08:13Archive SeedsYeah, that's a popular one in Colorado for sure. I think, you know, the lemon G has kind of always been a popular flavor in Colorado because it was one of the early flavors to kind of hit the market there. And BHO, lemon G is like really distinct in BHO form. And since Colorado was kind of the home of BHO there for many years, I think the local consumer there kind of really developed a palate for that flavor.

1:08:42Archive SeedsYeah, for that flavor profile and the effects of it because lemon G is definitely a unique plant. It's most useful probably in breeding, but just in and of itself, it's also got a lot of unique traits.

1:09:00Collin PalmerIt's a cool plant. It's like got these big long spears, you know, and so I have a bunch of clones of it behind me. I grew it last year again for the first time after growing it in 2019 commercially. It's not a great commercial plant, to your point. It's a terrible commercial plant, but the flavor is amazing. And to your point, in terms of breeding, I think it's Thank you for watching.

1:09:52Archive SeedsLet's call it land race type of plants. You know, not useful in any way. You get a lot of those, but I'd say it's probably about 5% is usable of the hybrids that are usable for the next generation. And then the other 95%, they just don't have the traits that make it a plant you can use all around.

1:10:16Collin PalmerBut that lemon smell, man, I think you would agree is so unmistakable from that particular plant. It's it's like there's nothing that produces that particular lemon that I've found at all.

1:10:28Archive SeedsWell, what's interesting about the lemon, especially when you hybridize it, is the 5% I'm talking about is the ones that have the lemony part of the flavor. And then all pretty much the rest of it is all a mixture of like pine wreath kind of Christmas wreath, um, You know, kind of like a land racy pine, not necessarily haze, but kind of in that direction. And they just, yeah, they're just not very desirable.

1:10:57Archive SeedsI call it the lemon tree terp, right? It's like that lemon tree and lemon G, they're similar, but they're also different. And lemon tree seems to produce a lot less lemony hybrids in general than the lemon G. You'll actually get that pure lemon out of it.

1:11:15Collin PalmerI agree 100%. No, I always say that to people that are like... Scott's pipe agrees as well. you know that are trying to work with lemon lines and they they go right to a lemon tree i'm like you should really be working with the lemon g because those traits are actually going to be passed on you know and yeah you're going to search through a bunch of stuff but that's the point to exactly a bunch of point a bunch of stuff and then point your nose in some sort of direction that you decide i'm not gonna you know can't make that up for you but um Yeah, I think people misconstrued to your point when they're going after breeding for flavor, how to arrive at that said flavor.

1:11:58Collin PalmerCause it's, it's, there is, yeah, it's, it's more than meets the eye, you know?

1:12:03Archive SeedsWell, and I think a lot of the time, a lot of people are, they're breeding with the intention of what the financial benefit is, not necessarily how much work they're going to have to put in to get where they're trying to go. Or it depends on what their goal is, I guess, where you're trying to go. But like, for example, with Lemon Tree, it produces a lot more manageable plants.

1:12:27Archive SeedsAnd they are better appealing from a bag appeal and everything standpoint as a percentage of the population. But the other parts... The other stuff of it's not as good, whereas the lemon G has all the ugly plants, but the better flavor. So, you know, what's your goal? Better plants or, you know, more unique flavor, I guess.

1:12:47Collin PalmerYeah. And then also, I would also argue the lack of male selection and leaning into the females to grab traits from, I think is an issue.

1:12:59Archive SeedsI think that's led to some of the diversity issue we have because you guys heard me say for years how I think that males, obviously they produce different results because you can't test the males, but then that there seems to be a genetic component that you get more variation with males and then you saw Kevin McKernan, you know, did the genome and there is more genes to be used, so.

1:13:24Collin PalmerYeah, I think you and I text back and forth or message back and forth. I think we both agree that reversing males is... Go do that, kids. You know?

1:13:36Archive SeedsYeah. Well, for the amount, like reversing males is useful, but it's still about the progeny at the end of the day. It's like the thing everybody wants to avoid is growing out a thousand plants. And that's really the most important part of the whole process, regardless of what parents you use or what the keeper male was or this or that. The real... The real part of breeding is growing out the seed plants and finding the combinations because one parent, you can be trying to make the same cross, but using two different parents produce two different results.

1:14:07Archive Seeds100.

1:14:07Collin PalmerWhat's up, Jen?

1:14:10Jenn DoeHi, guys. Good, how are you? Hey, Jen. Hi.

1:14:15BubblemanWelcome, welcome. Thank you. How was your class? It looks great. It was fun. You know, I really quite enjoyed it. The low temp guys are just awesome. Well, the low temp people, because Kenzie is certainly an amazing woman as well. Cliff and Scott and Matt and all of them. They're just they're just Levi. Really good folks. I can see why they're so supported here in Colorado and even around the US and North America.

1:14:44BubblemanLike they definitely have an incredible core group of people that are constantly going there. It seems like a super incredible hash hub that people are just kind of, I mean, you were talking about going there the other day and smoking a bunch of hash.

1:14:57SpeakerYeah, we were there like two or three times last week. Every time we go by and smoke with those guys, they're the best. Kenzie's the best, Hunter's the best, Matt's the best, all those dudes. Great equipment, take good care of us. Love them dearly. Yeah, absolutely.

1:15:09Jenn DoeLove it. The facility looked really nice too.

1:15:12BubblemanIt really is. And honestly, their equipment. So that new little mini washer, it's like the perfect replacement for like the plastic washing machine like that. Those should never be used in a commercial environment. Those things are like so fully contaminated. But this thing was easy to use, super chill. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:15:54BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:16:22SpeakerHi, Scott. Hello. How are you?

1:16:24Jenn DoeGood. Yeah, it sounds like a good time. Sorry, I missed it. Say hi to Jen.

1:16:31BubblemanHello. I'm Joey. Nice to meet you. Joey's with Puff Co as well.

1:16:36Jenn DoeOh, nice.

1:16:37BubblemanHi, Joey. The awesome hash dudes. Awesome. And then these guys are over on the other side of the camera. Skully's creating some super, yeah, he's got cactus over there. He's got herbs and mushrooms. He's drawing live again. We should, it's too bad we don't have like him in a box so people could be watching this. Yeah. We need him in the box. Put Skully in the box, man.

1:16:59BubblemanWhat are you doing?

1:17:02SpeakerYeah, yeah, exactly, next time.

1:17:04BubblemanSo, yeah, you had some weird shit show up in your hash.

1:17:08Jenn DoeYeah, so that was actually last year, and I'm a little disappointed that I don't have it so that we could plate it and see what it is, but the most interesting part was, was that, so I went over all the possibilities, you know, that's why I originally thought maybe it was PM, but I didn't see anything prior to like those couple swipes that it picked up, so it almost felt like It happened during the swipe, so it was like the phenomenon was like the fucking trichomes burst and then strung out, and then instead of just being oil that would happen, it was collecting statically on the scraper.

1:17:48Jenn DoeBut there was no visibility of anything prior to that, and it was after, I want to say, like the second or third pass all the way through all the screens. Yeah, I don't know. It was a mystery. But I definitely hit them up when that happened after doing all my research. I was like, what happened? This is not anything I've ever seen before. And I've ran enough hashed in so many different ways that I would think that I would come across something like that before.

1:18:14Jenn DoeBut that was the first. It looked like little strings of cotton candy. It was very interesting. So, you know, people have done different suggestions like, You know, maybe it's the systolic hairs or maybe it's this or that. And I just, I think that if it was anything like that, it would have potentially came up before. That's kind of why I posted that, to see if anybody else had seen that happen.

1:18:43Jenn DoeIt was definitely my first time ever running radiated material, but they didn't tell me that beforehand. Like, they told me nothing. Like, here you go. This is great. This is from a nice greenhouse in Long Island. And... When I processed it, I was like, what is happening right now? It was from a greenhouse. It was from a greenhouse. So the fact of like coming from like outdoor plants and, you know, things like that doesn't really track.

1:19:11Jenn DoeThey didn't use rock wool. So that doesn't really track. It didn't show up in the other two batches that I did, but I don't think those ones were radiated. This was the only one that this actually happened with. And again, like- Did the greenhouse open? No.

1:19:29BubblemanThe window, there was no like openings in the greenhouse?

1:19:32Jenn DoeNo, it was a closed greenhouse.

1:19:33BubblemanYeah. Interesting. Well, yeah, you can never know, I guess, if you can't test it.

1:19:40Jenn DoeYeah, that was the disappointing thing. But yeah, so made me kind of start questioning what is the radiation actually potentially doing to those heads? They could maybe have contributed to that because you would think if it was any of the other suggestions, then as I was scoping it through all of the different screenings, that I would have seen something but I didn't. And that's why I didn't think it was stocks either.

1:20:05Jenn DoeBecause I was not able to see any stocks, I was at the end process of refining that to 99% and it showed up and I was like, what in the hell is this?

1:20:16Archive SeedsWell, I think that it's irradiated is a good indicator that it was contaminated product.

1:20:22Jenn DoeYeah, and that's what I thought too.

1:20:24Archive SeedsIt sounds like somebody knew there was something wrong with that product because otherwise, why did it get irradiated?

1:20:31Jenn DoeYeah, exactly. So that's why I kind of leaned into the PM option on that. But again, when I was scoping any of the other material prior to that happening, it was not visible in there.

1:20:43Collin PalmerDid it look like this here, this figure that I have here at all?

1:20:48Jenn DoeSo it looks similar because I definitely looked all of that up when I was processing it to try and figure it out because I had to reach out to the company I was refining this for and have them reach out to the greenhouse and I was just like, what happened in the grow because this is not normal. So that's when they let me in on the fact that it was radiated, but they did not say what for.

1:21:13Jenn DoeSo I assumed it was PM. But not being able to see any of that prior to that very last refinement was the interesting part to me. And also the fact that I'm sure that I've ran material that people haven't told me has had PM and still I've never come across that. So I was kind of hoping somebody else would be able to be like, oh yes, I've had that happen.

1:21:38Jenn DoeBut a lot of it just seems like we're just going to have to speculate at this point. I would like a little more research into, you know, what those rad machines are actually doing to the trichome heads, because is it the heads that they are potentially destabilizing? And so then, you know, it's creating the ability for those heads to maybe be unstable and pop, but then potentially like solidify, which would explain the screens.

1:22:06Jenn DoeDon't know though.

1:22:07Archive SeedsWell, isn't a radiation basically just microwaving the weed?

1:22:12Jenn DoeI mean, you say that online and people get all technical with, no, it's gamma rays. And they're like, no, it's radiation. And it's not like a microwave. And I don't know.

1:22:21Archive SeedsWell, I've put hash in a microwave before and it doesn't do anything. So that's one thing I can tell you.

1:22:28Jenn DoeYeah, so I'm not totally sure. I have no idea. I just know there's a lot of companies pushing for that to happen on a large scale, that they're going to do that for cleanliness.

1:22:43Archive SeedsI think if they need to irradiate their weed, they need to go out of business.

1:22:47Jenn DoeYeah, they definitely shouldn't be passing it to me to refine it and expect that I'm not going to find that there's something happened. I mean, as hash makers, like, We're going to find it. We might not know what it is at the time, but we're going to find it and be like, this isn't, something happened.

1:23:03Archive SeedsSomething's in here. 95% of the hash makers are happy to just take the product, turn it into something and get paid for it. They don't care what they find.

1:23:11SpeakerYeah. Yeah, exactly.

1:23:13Jenn DoeNo, they actually tried to push this out under my brand and I actually had to call the dispensary after I told them, no, this is not up to my quality standards, especially after finding out that they put it through the rad machine. I actually had to call the dispensary and tell them they had to take that off the shelves and resticker it to their brand because I told them not to put it out and they wouldn't listen.

1:23:36Jenn DoeNeedless to say, that was the last job I ever did with that company, so.

1:23:40Collin PalmerYeah, that's too bad. So guys, those that are listening, they're watching and listening. The figure A is a micrograph of a condia and B is germinating, is a germinating condium. C is an aspirin indicated by the arrow right there. That's right at the kind of right there. It's what grows out of the actual main stem. And all of these things, as they're highlighted, are micron sizes that we collect.

1:24:14Collin PalmerSo if you're using material that has this type of bacteria and microorganisms on it, They're in those micron ranges, so you should be aware of that.

1:24:29Archive SeedsWell, the likelihood that you cleaned up product and ended up with this as your contaminant in the same micron ranges that you would be processing the material you're looking for, it's a good indicator that it was likely powdery mildew.

1:24:42Jenn DoeYeah, very likely. Which then brings us to the discussion of why are we allowing these rad machines when we're, if that is powdery mildew, it's clearly still present and should not be offered to medical patients.

1:24:56Archive SeedsI mean, if you made powdery mildew, Um, either contamination of it or contamination of the products that people use to prevent it. I'd guess that more than 70% of the product in the market would probably have to be destroyed. I mean, it would, it would absolutely destroy most of the large commercial grows if they had to pass, um, either sulfur testing or powdery mildew testing.

1:25:24Jenn DoeYeah.

1:25:24Archive SeedsYeah. And, and D for those, which I'd be fine with.

1:25:28Collin PalmerI think what you're saying is real. Fletcher, I think the reality that there's like a, you get a hall pass, so to speak, to basically kill bacteria and then sell it to people as killed dead bacteria on, you know, biomass or plant material that you're then wrapping a sticker around and marketing and spending dollars and cents on at a retail level is just absolutely insane to me.

1:25:57Collin PalmerYou know, it's just embarrassing. It's not why any of us when we were younger got involved in doing this at all. It was to have actually things that were clean and to learn from the mistakes that, yeah, you're going to have bad batches. That's going to happen. But how you handle it, I think, defines... Everything, you know, to your point, like, why would you just send it to a rad machine when you either could a send it to BHO or something, some other processing technique to get some sort of value out of it?

1:26:30Archive SeedsAnd they just it's it's just be crop failure. Like you fail with your crop and it needs to be destroyed. There's no remediating it. There's no turning it into something else. There's no making it better. You grew a fucked up product. You don't know how to do your job that well and you shouldn't be in business. And like that's just how it is. And it's like if you can't absorb the cost of doing business like that, then why are you in this business?

1:26:57Archive SeedsIt's just like if you can't build a safe car for people to drive in, why the hell would we let you build cars? Yeah, no, but the sad part is... Everything's going to be an AMC gremlin and going to catch on fire when you drive it. I think AMC needs to go out of business.

1:27:12Collin PalmerI think you're right. And I think that there's probably a handful of brands that you and I both know that actually should be in business and the rest should probably not be here. Agreed. And that's it.

1:27:27Jenn DoeIt'd be really great if instead of putting money towards the rad machine, these larger corporations that are usually the culprits of this for the most part. I mean, obviously we all have issues, but this is a systemic issue within these larger corporations. Maybe instead of putting extra money towards these rad machines in this situation, I don't know, maybe hire an experienced grower that can actually solve these problems instead of penny pinching and shortchanging every single Thank you for joining us today.

1:28:25Collin PalmerAnd it's the cycle, right? It's, it's that sexual reproduction that happens time and time again.

1:28:33Jenn DoeSo, yeah, just, just take any of that out. It's like, they're like, oh, it deactivates it. And it's like, okay, so that's going to stop it from actually like creating more. But when we put flame to it or heat from a vaporizer, we're deactivating it before it's in our lungs anyway. So that really is just doesn't make any sense to me.

1:28:55Archive SeedsYeah, it's literally just there to keep these big companies in business. That's all it is. And I mean, like you're saying, you know, they could try to pay more money to hire a good grower. Show me the good growers, because if you've got them, I would be hiring them. They're not out there. I've kind of made this point recently is like, look, there's basically no Come up for a good grower these days right if you're a 20 year old kid and wants to learn how to grow weed you can't grow four lights of whatever seeds you buy and expect to make any money you got to go buy clones of products that people actually want to buy and then you get powdery mildew on the clones and it's the same process these no one's really learning and most of the people that are my age or older that that had the financial benefit of illegal weed to Give them years of experience to teach them.

1:29:43Archive SeedsThey're either successful in doing it or they've retired. And there's really no educational system for anybody in between. So you got these people investing tens of millions of dollars into these big grows, expecting to be able to hire someone even four well into the six figures a year and expect to get results. And it's like, well, if that guy really knew how to grow $50 million a year worth of weed, why the hell are you paying him 150 grand a year to do it?

1:30:09Archive SeedsHe's clearly not that qualified because if he was that qualified, he wouldn't need your fucking job. So it's like it's an oxymoron for finding these people that can actually operate. Yeah. Yeah.

1:30:22Collin PalmerI used to say that all the time. It's like you could there was a time where you could sit on your couch and make a living. Right.

1:30:30Archive SeedsSo can.

1:30:31Collin PalmerYeah. No, it's you're not wrong.

1:30:34Archive SeedsIt's just I still I tell people I think it's important to tell a chat. Running four to 20 lights depending on your skill level and having a unique genetic and growing it exceptionally with no contamination at all. You'll make more money doing that if you do it right with way less work than you'd ever make working for a weed corporation for the most part. The only reason you'd want to work for a weed corporation is like The stability of it, but I would argue that most of these businesses are a couple months away from bankruptcy anyways, in most cases, especially the bigger they are.

1:31:08Archive SeedsI mean, look at the top 10 MSOs in America. Every single one of them would be insolvent if they paid their tax bill, except for True Leave and GTI. I think that's it.

1:31:20Collin PalmerYep. No, you're totally calling it right. It's why those that are in... You know, director and up positions should be demanding real salaries. You know, otherwise you should be doing exactly. You should also be doing exactly what Fletch just said, because it's, you know, it helps hone your skill sets. You know, it's also where you can learn a lot about, you You know how certain varietals work and how that scales and how that goes back into commercialization if you want that, if that's something you want to do.

1:31:55Collin PalmerLike you said, Clutch, not many people truly understand what commercialization is and how to do it well. There's I can't I can barely count. I can barely count them on my on my head. I remember when someone asked me to find them a grower at 16,000 square feet. And I was like, guys, do you understand that nobody's actually run that much square footage consistently ever like at all?

1:32:20Collin PalmerAnd they're like, what do you mean? I was like, guys, look, your concept of. Thank you for watching.

1:32:42Collin PalmerRight. So how do you get there is, you know, being extremely humble and extremely present, you know, because you're not going to just run 16,000 square feet with a 15 person team and bang it out time and time again every single time. That's a that takes a lot of teamwork. You know, it's a machine. So it's not what Fletch is talking about with four to 16 lights, you know, that you're not, it's a very different, you're talking about a sports team basically, you know, so.

1:33:15Archive SeedsYou're not going to win or be successful at that large scale because you're a good grower. That's maybe 25% of what succeeding at that level is. Everything else is people management, funds management, timing, employment. It's all the other things that it takes to run a business. And most people that are good at growing weed, Do not have that skill set like at all. Not only do they not have it, but most of them are terrible at it.

1:33:46Archive SeedsEven myself included. I'm actually okay at it, but I hate doing it more than anything. So by that definition, I'm terrible at it. Yeah.

1:33:56Collin PalmerWell, everyone has their At that certain scale, everyone has their kind of role. You know, I look at it like a band or like a some, you know, like I said, a sports, like everyone has a role. Like you're playing drums, you play drums. You know, you're playing guitar, you're playing guitar. And that's just your role. And that's what you should focus on and really hone in on.

1:34:17Collin PalmerYou know, if that's what you want to do is fertigation, that's your zone. You know, you've honed in on that only. You want to look at IPM management. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:34:46Collin PalmerGo get at it and start making mistakes and, you know, have the lights go off or something. You know what I mean? Like have your AC go out on you. Yeah.

1:34:54Archive SeedsYou can't make a good living with like a garage setup. There's no reason to be like, I should go run a thousand lights or 500 lights. I mean, what's the point there? You've already got a scaled size of something that you can make profitable if you're really as good as you say you are. So why... What's the point of going through the trouble and the risk for putting up 10 lights is less now than there ever was.

1:35:18Archive SeedsSo to me, it's like You know, I basically won't hire someone unless I see that they can run 20 lights on their own and crush it. You know, if you can't show me a 20 lighter, you're already running for your living and you just want to join a better team. There's no proof to me that you really have the skills required other than to do, like you said, individual jobs, fertigation, plant management, whatever it is in a large facility.

1:35:48Archive SeedsBut if you're going to be the like director of cultivation and where you have to, yeah, you got to like, you should 20, you should be able to do 20 lights and go to the beach every day and make a living. And if you can't, then you're probably not, you're not suited for a big grow.

1:36:04Collin PalmerI agree. Anytime I hire someone, I want to see, I always ask them what their portfolio looks like. And it's not just showing me bags and jars. I actually want to be invited. I want to see what you do and how you do it and how that translates to this jar that you gave me. And show me like, what's up? Like, you know.

1:36:25Archive SeedsI've seen great weed come out of a dirty grow and a dirty grow at scale doesn't work. So, you know, it's like, like you're saying, a jar is a good step, but I got to know how many cycles you're getting. I need to see your numbers. I need to see what, how you run your business. And if you don't run your 10 lighter like a business, you'll never do a thousand lights like anything other than a home grow.

1:36:51Collin PalmerYep. No, you're nailing it. So those out there that are looking to, you know, come work for, you know, brands or reach out to those of us out here, you know, just we want to see people that are doing it because you love to do it. And it's it's something that you're showing up for regardless of anything else. You know, like all of us, I think, here show up because we love it.

1:37:14Collin PalmerIt's not really anything else. It's just everything else is a byproduct of that, you know.

1:37:20Archive SeedsThe only scaled stuff that works like that is 90% of the time it's because it's an owner-operator, right? Yeah, 100%. Outside of that, it's going to be like the amount of big grows that have an investment group that are paying people to just work there that are succeeding right now is few and far between if not zero. I mean, if you actually made any of them pay their debts, the number would likely be zero.

1:37:49Collin PalmerYep. And as and as it to your point with just how everything's kind of changing, you know, it's not going to get really any easier because you will have to pay taxes, even with write offs. Like, go do the numbers, guys. Like it's it's the write offs don't help you all that much, you know. So, you know, you still got to run a business and that's something that a lot of people Operators out there are going to have to come to truth with it.

1:38:14Collin PalmerIt's why everything is the way it is, to your point, Fletcher. Exactly.

1:38:19Archive SeedsBecause in my opinion, this is as evident by the market conditions, right?

1:38:25Collin PalmerYou're right. It's the truth. And that's why I said that, because I don't want the viewers being like, Thank you for watching.

1:38:45Collin Palmeror yeah maybe show me a few i guess exits that have actually like done that for anyone everyone else here that's that i know that's been doing this is just here working as if it's a it's a gig you know it's not uh you're not selling your business to the highest bidder

1:39:03Archive SeedsYou know, the majority of those big monster grows. The only reason they're even surviving right now, even with all the debt they incur, is them just trapping all the weed to the black market. That's their only profit margin is just that at all.

1:39:18Archive SeedsYou know, that's the vast, especially in California, but that's the vast majority of producers in most scaled states. I mean, Washington, it's bad. Oregon, it's bad. California, it's bad. Michigan, it's bad. Maine, it's bad. The amount of export that's occurring from legal businesses is, you know, significant.

1:39:40Etienne FontanWell, there's also no apprenticeships, right? There used to be apprenticeships, you know, when we were growing up. And so you're allowed to have successes and failures, most importantly, failures, right? Because that's where we all learn. None of us learn from success. We all learn from when shit fucked up. And from then on, you know, but that's because we had guides. I mean, a lot of us, you know, from the illegal days, you had to work with a grower and, you know, or you tried it on your own.

1:40:11Etienne FontanI tried it on my own and failed quite successfully on my own, quite significantly with the help of my friends, right? Like my first grow, I had to leave. So I let my friend watch my grow. And I came back and he was like, hey man, I telepathically swore the cops were coming. So I cut down your plants and then I dried them in the microwave for you.

1:40:36Etienne FontanYeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So, you know, when you start out like that, you know, it's there's only one place to go but up. But, you know, with these large scale grows, I mean, we worked ourselves up to those to have the availability to do that. I mean, you literally have to have, you know, greenhouse management classes, courses. And, you know, there are legitimate courses. Real world, you know, business opportunities, but for cannabis growers to meet all those specific needs.

1:41:09Etienne FontanI think you were talking about that earlier, Fletch, and how they just don't exist anymore. You know, you have to literally create them or bring up somebody you feel is confident, but then you also be prepared for the fail. Look at that freak. Which no one can afford, right? You've got that many lights, that many systems. There is no room for failure, period, end of story. If you fail, the business is over.

1:41:33Etienne FontanExactly. So that's the biggest thing I think people are negotiating currently is there is no ability for failure allowed. And with apprenticeships or anything like that, that's an inevitable. So it makes it even harder for people coming up to want to step into those roles because those people overseeing those operations can't afford to put a half assery into a serious situation.

1:41:57Archive SeedsAll of these people are going to be able to make this work by doing internal training and having the right team and owner operators that are paying attention to everything. But it's such a small group that a small group of people that have that skill that they're simply not of it like they're in more demand to themselves than they could ever be available to you.

1:42:22Archive SeedsSo hiring these people is kind of a pipe dream. You're actually much better off from like a strategic standpoint to like start a school and start training people than you would be trying to find these non-existent people.

1:42:38Etienne FontanAnd that's where we've been guiding people for the past decade or so where people are like, well, I want to get into a legitimate business. How do I do that when there's no schools? Well, there are schools for greenhouse management and how to actually run grows. It's just not cannabis grows. And so your experiences are going to have to be found elsewhere. Otherwise, you were a closet grower along while you were doing it, right?

1:43:06Etienne FontanYeah. So how do you like Fletch, you know, you're, you grow on a scale and you at regular places around to make sure that you have, you know, acclimated genetics, etc. So how do you go about hiring? Or do you just have to end up doing it all yourself?

1:43:25Archive SeedsSame to you, Ken. Yeah, I have partnerships and then I kind of let them manage their things. But if it's my money and my place, I basically have to live there and run it myself because I've hired and had countless people that had degrees from FSU and whatever for greenhouse management or whatever plant related sciences and they just don't work out because at the end of the day, running these big facilities is much less about You know, knowing what chemical to use to clean out your irrigation lines than it is knowing what kind of Freon you have in your AC systems and how you can get the thing back online and whether or not the electrical system is where the breakers are and why this is tripped and walk into a room, why is the humidity up?

1:44:14Archive SeedsLike that's, you literally, that's what you really need. And it doesn't matter if it's 6 a.m. or midnight. You might be in there fucking with it. And most people just aren't willing to do that. And that's why I say. If you really are that passionate about it, good at growing, care about quality, and want to provide a product that's in high demand but low supply, a 20-liter, 10-liter, 4-liter that's crushing it with good genetics is really a much better place to put that energy and effort, in my opinion, than most large-scale facilities.

1:44:48Archive SeedsBecause at the end of the day, like I said, most of these big facilities, the ownership is not... The likelihood your job is going to be around long term is very low unless you know the owner operator and you know that they intend to stay in business. Most of the people that are investing in weed, they were looking for a quick in and a quick out. Some people got it and some people didn't.

1:45:14Etienne FontanSo there's a gap then, right? You've stated it quite clearly. There's a gap between the education and the real world applications. So, you know, I know there's places that try to, there's Cloverleaf, Oaksterdam, but those seem to not close that gap. So, I mean, Jen, I see you all the time. You're the one in your garden doing your shit because, you know, who else can you rely on at times, especially because of your knowledge base.

1:45:41Jenn DoeMm-hmm. Yeah, and everybody that I've had come in to help. Again, I haven't had anybody cut down my crop and microwave it because they thought the cops were coming. But with the exception of the two times that I had my mother come in and watch my personal grow while I had to go out of town, every single time I come back and it's one thing or another.

1:46:06Jenn DoeIt's either dead clones, it's dead plants, it's... I mean, gosh, I had this one guy that... was just supposed to keep an eye on my clones in the in the easy corner and i get a message like three days later when i'm like don't do anything like just literally eyes not hands um he was like i don't know what happened but the roots are all hot pink and everything's dead and i killed your mothers too and i was like What?

1:46:36Jenn DoeHow? Well, I thought I would change out the cloner water and then the pH pen was not calibrating correctly. And I'm like, why are you calibrating anything? And the only thing I could come up with was that he wasn't using the right solution. So instead of like calibration solution, He was using something else, but I think the pink roots came from the fact that I'm pretty sure that he used the buffer solution instead of a pH up or down because I've never seen anything like it.

1:47:08Jenn DoeHe sent me pictures. I wish I still had the pictures, but this was, you know, eight years ago.

1:47:12SpeakerThey're on a different phone that's probably in the phone graveyard. So they were hot pink?

1:47:17Jenn DoeThey were hot pink and they were like slimy like like it burned everything off of them but the roots were hot pink so through talking to everybody that I possibly could have you ever seen this and then I was looking through and I was like okay show me exactly what you did and he showed me this and I was like that's buffer solution that's not ph up or down like that's not Yeah, so I don't know, but yeah, you just, you can't rely on somebody else to take care of your, your stuff because they don't have that material loss or that passion that, you know, you walk in, your dreams are crushed all of a sudden because you've got hot pink roots and dead plants everywhere.

1:48:01Etienne FontanSo yeah, it's challenging. And the stress of the obligation, right? Because if you can't rely on people, I mean, I've been to one of your grows, you know, Fletch, and I've seen you're on it. You know, you're there. You have to be on it all the time. So there's a... Thank you for joining us.

1:48:36Etienne FontanYou only were meant to go in there for five minutes. Then you come out five hours later, the sun's gone down and, you know, everything's completely changed because you actively listened to your plants and had to do what had to be done. And you can't wait till tomorrow because these are high pressure and high reality situations with plants, especially where they grow, how they grow. You know, the humidity, but geez, can't even, pink, pink, I'm still stunned by the pink root situation.

1:49:03Jenn DoeI'm just blown away. Like, what did you do? Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, you call them time machines. I call them, I kind of relate them to a casino. You know, you don't know what time it is and you could win or you could lose, like.

1:49:20Collin PalmerYeah, same difference though.

1:49:23Jenn DoeYeah, pink roots. Has anybody else seen hot pink roots that has any input on that? I mean, again, this was many years ago, but the only thing I could come up with was that buffer solution.

1:49:35BubblemanBut yeah. These are the days I miss skunk man, Sam.

1:49:39Jenn DoeYeah, Sam, what was that, bro?

1:49:43BubblemanHe's like, well, in 1972...

1:49:47Etienne FontanAnd then what we had to do is we had to go find a goat from two hills over. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:49:58BubblemanMy computer was about to die. Luckily, my buddy has the same charging cable, but I think I left my charging cable yesterday at low temp. Oopsie. Masonic says Mills turns my roots pink. Wasn't using Mills, though. No, but if Mills turns his roots pink, it's possibly there's something in there that...

1:50:22Jenn DoeI did use Mills back in the day, though. I never had pink roots. I wonder if he could maybe expand on that a little bit more, because that's interesting.

1:50:30Collin PalmerA friend of mine just texted me and said, Fusarium can turn roots pink. Okay. I'll buy that. Makes sense. Fungal pathogen. Fungal.

1:50:47Jenn DoeI don't know that that would have been the case on this situation because it was a matter of three days I left.

1:50:52Etienne FontanYeah, that's way too fast. Yeah.

1:50:54Jenn DoeYeah. So it wasn't like a growth or anything, which was part of the confusing part. Like how in three days did you literally just wipe everything out?

1:51:02SpeakerLike, yeah.

1:51:05Jenn DoeInteresting, though.

1:51:07Etienne FontanWell, I mean, let's digress on what we were talking about earlier, the lack of a gap between school and real-world application, right? I knew, you know, back in the day there was no school for this, so I had to approach a grower and ask for apprenticeship, right? If you really wanted to grow, if you found somebody that was a really good grower, you know, you had to pass the vibe check, right?

1:51:32Etienne FontanYou know, all those things that, you know... People either success or fail on, right? Because people are strange, people are weird. But then you start dealing with plants and start dealing in plants and closed, you know, closed areas. You know, it comes with a whole other series of problems that can ascend quickly, right? In a matter of 24 hours, shit can really... Thank you for joining us.

1:52:22Etienne FontanThere's a lack there. So how do we close that gap? How do we help people who are watching who are like, I want to be there. I want to do that. But Fletch says that that didn't work. So how do I arrive there?

1:52:34Archive SeedsI think nowadays there's, there's not nearly the options that we have. Like when we started up a big part of it being the cost of operations, you know, just even getting a rental house that you can grow in is way more expensive than it was, you know, even 10 years ago, much less 20 or 30 years ago. So I think for most people, their, their best bet is to start out is to grow at home, you know, two lights, four lights.

1:53:04Archive SeedsAnd focus on that. And if you can run, it's just like anything. If you want to get good at basketball, you need to go shoot free throws. It's not about everything else. You need to dribble and shoot free throws. And then once you can start hitting free throws, now you can go try everything else. But until then, it's like you really have to just focus on the basics.

1:53:26Archive SeedsAnd Thank you for joining us.

1:53:52Archive SeedsAnd you have highly talented teachers and a really good curriculum. And you teach them the things that they really need to know and really none of the stuff that they don't need to know. It's, you know, growing at scale is not as complicated as a lot of people make it out. And it can be done. Like, I'm not saying nobody can do it. I'm just saying the reason why things look the way they are is there's way more people trying to do it than there is qualified people operating.

1:54:22Collin PalmerYeah, that's well said. My take on it is, you know, like you just said, man, my, you know, I'm like, you know, go skate, go play basketball, whatever, make whatever your analogy is, like go put the time in on the court. But also, if you can, and you actually are, some people aren't built for this, you know, like Fletch, some people don't, aren't built for college, right?

1:54:46Collin PalmerLet's be honest about that, right? They're better off Out there in the court throwing three throws and then playing pickup games, so to speak, rather than going to a college, joining the basketball team, showing up and training, right? Like, you know, UConn's a good example of that. They have a really good program for hemp. They have a cannabis program that's baked in with research and good professors that are pushing certain aspects of it.

1:55:14Collin PalmerBut not everyone's built for that, you know, and there's a lot of analogies that I could bring in. Like there's artists that I've hired for my in my career that never went to art school that are like some of the best illustrators and animators I've ever met in my life. But it's because they put the time into your point. And, you know, their skill sets evolved because of that, that passion that they have for it.

1:55:36Collin PalmerSo

1:55:37Archive SeedsI hear you. We're talking about operating at scale. It's not just your passion and your talent, right? It's your operational management. And like, it's really, really difficult to learn operational management without the structure of like an organization.

1:55:54Collin PalmerRight. Exactly. That back to my point of the basketball players. Right. Some people are players. Some people are built for management.

1:56:02Archive SeedsSome people are coaches. Right. But you all have to know how to play on a team. And that's what I'm getting. No. Right. That's the hard part. Yeah.

1:56:10Collin PalmerYou got to know your place. That's where I'm getting at. Right. So but there are all these different paths to end up at that same place. Right. Which is amazing. And there's no wrong in that. Like some people can trap their way to it. Some people need to go and get academia and go all the way to that. I don't know. There's no wrong. I agree.

1:56:31Archive SeedsResults are results.

1:56:32Collin PalmerYeah. 100%. Results are results. And the proof's in the pudding. Whatever you want to bring to the table is that. But I think you're right 100% that people need to put the time in and really eat, breathe, sleep it. And as a result, find your role. And try not to be... The grower that just started in an organization that wants to be the CEO, et cetera. You know what I mean?

1:56:59Collin PalmerLike learn, learn from everyone around you. And I think that's the other thing.

1:57:04Etienne FontanAnd be humble while doing it because there's a thing that happens with the same thing that happens with musicians, same thing that happens with artists. They sometimes will get an ego where they think they're too good for something. And that's one of the things about that large scale growing is there's no room for that. There's it's about flexibility. Thank you for joining us.

1:57:43Etienne FontanI agree. I put my time in failing as a grower, finally getting it right as a grower, but always being passionate about it, having to take the risks. You know what you were saying, Fletch? A lot of those things that you said before didn't exist. They're still underground grows. There's still people if you want to do it, but you got to still take those risks. And with those risks comes the anxiety, comes the fear, comes all those things that Each one of us have had to thicken our skins and our realities too because- But that's what made a good grower.

1:58:16Archive SeedsRight. Because like you just said, probably the most important trait, especially at scale, but even small scale, is looking for problems. And most people do everything they can to avoid problems. And so it takes a really special kind of person who every day they go to work and they are literally looking for problems so that they can go fix them. That's not what most people want to do.

1:58:44Archive SeedsMost people want to show up to work, do the same thing every day. That's relatively easy. Go take their lunch break and call it a day at 430. The good grower is the guy that's showing up at 5 a.m. because there was something wrong with the dehumidifier last night. And he already stopped at Home Depot to buy a couple parts to fix the drain line because it's like... And he gets in there and he's up in the attic of your space and he's up there until 10 p.m. fixing some other problem he came across, right?

1:59:15Archive SeedsIt's like that's what it really takes to do it at scale. And there's a small amount of people with that personality type.

1:59:27Collin PalmerYou're totally right, man. 100%. I feel like I've been lucky to have worked with a few that have that personality type, you know. It's tough though. You know, there's a lot of people you'll cycle through that say they have that until they, you know, until you're in it. Exactly. You know what I mean? I had a kid taking apart Venturi injectors one morning. I walked in. I was like, what are you doing, dude?

1:59:52Collin PalmerHe's like, it was clogged again. I had, I took them all apart and I was like, that's why you're here, man. This is, this is why I love you, man. You know, and that's the type of, to your point, this is the, that's the type of You know, intuition, if you will, that not many people are willing to like be like, shit, I got to take it all apart.

2:00:10Collin PalmerIt's not just this one. You know, that's right. You know, so that's. You know, that's all those that are out there looking to really step it up. Like, just know that's the mentality, man. And it's you got to take the complete ownership of it. You know, otherwise it's, you know, it's you're just again, you're just passing it through, you know.

2:00:32Archive SeedsSo, yeah, it's to run a large scale facility. It takes full accountability, which most people are allergic to. And it takes, you know, that that dedication that it's just it's You know, most people are so afraid of conflict and literally running a grow correctly is literally a conflict with either mechanical or people. One of the two at all times, you know, and not in some of us love it, but there's always some sort of problem that you're trying to fix.

2:01:01Archive SeedsThat's really what it is, you know. Problem solving, right? No, you're right. That's all you're doing all day. And if you don't, if you're not, if you don't like being a fireman, this isn't the job. And most of the fires aren't in the form of plants. They're in other, other forms.

2:01:17Collin PalmerUnfortunately. Yeah, man. It's like you, I wish they were in the form of plants. It'd be easier to put them out. You know, so it's, it's, you're right. And the other thing that comes to mind is really, you know, beyond dedication is just I think that's one thing I often, um,

2:01:53Collin PalmerI think it's missed sometimes.

2:01:56Etienne FontanYou know, I'm cool and collected in those situations is most important day in those times, right? Yeah, because you're a team.

2:02:03Collin PalmerYou're still a family. You know what I mean? And that's right. That's the thing.

2:02:06Etienne FontanI think you're just trying to problem solve, right? We all realize there's problems happen. Whatever that problem is, but we have to solve it. And you need to put those heads together sometimes because not everybody has that depth of understanding. So having those teams and that calmness and that free flow allows that flow state because you need that flow state in those chaos situations because the last, I mean, it's easy to panic.

2:02:34Etienne FontanWe've all been in those, oh shit, what the fuck, right? And then it's all about breathing through it, walking it back and True problem solvers are worth their weight in gold.

2:02:46Jenn DoeYeah, it's one thing to have that knee-jerk reaction. It's a whole other thing to perpetuate that throughout trying to solve the problem, just making everything very difficult.

2:02:55Collin PalmerYeah, 100%.

2:02:57Archive SeedsYou're looking for the guy that's picking up the tools, not complaining about the problem, you know?

2:03:02Etienne FontanMm-hmm.

2:03:03Collin PalmerIt's the best people.

2:03:05Etienne FontanYo, welcome, Caleb. I see he has shown up.

2:03:10SpeakerHello, hello. Late. I'm sorry, but great to see y'all.

2:03:16Etienne FontanYeah, I know you had an event yesterday. Sorry, I wasn't able to make it. I caught a virus on my way home. So I'm still getting over it. And I didn't want to be contagious to our wooks and be the bearer of wook cough. So I hope everything went well, but nothing but love and respect.

2:03:33SpeakerIt was a great fun time at the Chapel of Flowers. We talked about the Buddist Harvest Report. We could do a virtual version on here at some point. But it's kind of interesting looking at the actual DCC data and seeing how much California has fucked up cannabis for the counties that you think of when you think of California cannabis. So the seven counties that we featured in the Harvest Report were Trinity, Humboldt, Mendocino, Lake, Sonoma, Nevada, and Santa Cruz.

2:04:12SpeakerAnd especially those first three, the Emerald Triangle, Humboldt, Trinity, and Mendocino. Humboldt and Trinity actually lost share of their total California outdoor harvest. Since the last year, and that's something that most people might not know has happened. And the proof that there are other counties that maybe have more or less restrictive laws, and that has actually led to more licenses there and more, I guess, booth being grown in other counties as opposed to in the Emerald Triangle.

2:04:45SpeakerIt's definitely had impacts on lessening licenses and all that stuff. My goodness, that glass looks so good.

2:04:57Etienne FontanThat Robinson goat looked goat.

2:05:01Collin PalmerMarcus, since I've gotten this thing, this thing is a little ripper. I like this better than the...

2:05:06BubblemanIt's amazing.

2:05:09Etienne FontanIt is the best travel piece ever.

2:05:14Collin PalmerIt's very unsuspecting. Honestly, I didn't really... Mine doesn't pull as well with the pipe extension on it, but with that, it brings it...

2:05:24Etienne FontanYeah, the design with the open air on both sides and now adding the little bead inside really turns it into a serious little ripper that, yeah, nothing but respect for, I mean, I've dreamed of a A product that works that well. With that and a sploofy, you can go anywhere. I got to put the beads in mine, Marcus. I still haven't put them in. You got to put the beads in, dude.

2:05:51Etienne FontanTrust me. Just start off with one, but it turns to that. I just use one.

2:05:56Collin PalmerI haven't put them in. I got them right here. Check it out.

2:05:59BubblemanI got a low temp Skully Vibes t-shirt.

2:06:03Collin PalmerNice.

2:06:04BubblemanYou guys familiar with Skully Vibes?

2:06:07Collin PalmerMm-hmm. Yeah.

2:06:09BubblemanDude, he's fucking an awesome artist, dude. He's here right now painting and drawing or whatever it is he's doing. This is actually, I believe, a painting that he did. We just bought like 10 of these for the reserve the other day. So Kyle's got, this is one of my favorites right here. I feel like...

2:06:27Etienne FontanOh, yeah, I got the print that he did live on Hash Church. I just have to frame it now. But he is very talented. And he's, you know, he's got his finger on the pulse of, you know, how things are. And he shows that and represents it. There it is. Badass. Well framed. We got Homer. Blotter.

2:06:57Collin PalmerOh, I like the Homer. That's a lot. I miss Blotterite.

2:07:04Etienne FontanOh, that's great. There's blotter art shows. I used to do art shows back in the 90s where I was able to pick some up, you know, undosed blotter art because I have like the through the looking glass. I have the front and the back. And there they actually sold the little 45 etched with the same notches. So I have that framed as a one piece.

2:07:27Collin PalmerI had a friend growing up who collected blotter Pretty seriously, like he had like full, full pieces that were definitely, some of them were dosed, some of them were not.

2:07:40Jenn DoeI have a little blotter collection, right?

2:07:43Collin PalmerSome may, allegedly, I should say, allegedly, some are allegedly dosed, some are allegedly not. So, yeah.

2:07:53BubblemanIt's fun to show this art.

2:07:55Etienne FontanThat's great art, man. That's a nice collection of Skully's work, man.

2:08:00BubblemanOh, we have way more, dude. There's like, there's some up there on the wall. There's two of them. You can't really see the other one. It's hiding behind the thing, but there's, and then we're going to get him to do this wall right here. A whole series. Actually, if you really want to see some ridiculous art, I guess I would probably. Wait, no, no.

2:08:18Collin PalmerTake the elevator, Marcus. Take the elevator.

2:08:20BubblemanOh, the elevator. Yeah. Okay. What are you doing, dog?

2:08:22Collin PalmerCome on. Why are you using your feet when you could be using the elevator?

2:08:27BubblemanBecause the elevator wasn't here, I was like, oh, I gotta call it down. Come on over. Like, here it comes. We'll take the elevator. Show us the elevator. Dude, this place is so ridiculous. It is, okay, look at these fucking beanbag chairs.

2:08:46Collin PalmerThose are legit. Those are, those are, I used to have those types of beanbag chairs in my loft in New York. The Love Sacks. That's the company if you want to check them out.

2:08:55Jenn DoeI think those actually originated in Utah.

2:08:59BubblemanI believe it. Don't buy from the copycat fuckbags. Don't buy from those guys.

2:09:08Jenn DoeI think their main store was in down in Salt Lake and I used to work down there like 20 years ago and I would take a break and I would walk over to that store and they would just hang out and love sex.

2:09:22SpeakerI'd walk over to that store from West High School and yeah, sit in the sex.

2:09:28Jenn DoeYeah. Are you West High School, Utah?

2:09:32SpeakerI was an helper there when I was a little kid.

2:09:34Jenn DoeOh, shit. Yeah, West High is a trip. My school was a little rough. I don't know if it is still. I'm assuming it is.

2:09:47SpeakerIn the early 2000s, it definitely was.

2:09:49Jenn DoeOh, shit. That's awesome.

2:09:53SpeakerSee you, Jen.

2:09:55Jenn DoeI love it. Oh, Utah. You know what's funny? I've actually talked to a couple people in... Who was it? Straight Concentrates. He's from Utah. Murray Murphy. She's from Utah. Like, it's amazing. Yeah.

2:10:15Collin PalmerKyle from Heritage is also from Utah.

2:10:18Jenn DoeIs he?

2:10:18SpeakerYes, from Alpine Seed Group. I think Marcus, you know her. From Utah.

2:10:25Jenn DoeTass from Highly Educated. Chris Dreyer. Is Chris from here?

2:10:31Collin PalmerNo, no, no. We were just, he was just showing his work.

2:10:34Jenn DoeOh, I was like, he does amazing work though. Yeah. Yeah. No, Utah kind of put out a couple of really, really decent things, which is interesting because we just didn't have such access to things. But those of us that wanted to find it definitely did.

2:10:53SpeakerWell, it's like 10, 12 hours from the California border. It's still relatively close.

2:10:59Jenn DoeOh, yeah.

2:10:59SpeakerYeah, it's not that far out.

2:11:01Collin PalmerIt's true. It's geographically speaking, for sure.

2:11:04Jenn DoeYeah, definitely drivable.

2:11:07Collin PalmerYeah, no, 100%. And you can shoot right up to, you know, Colorado, too. You're right there. Essentially the same southern mountain range, right?

2:11:19Jenn DoeYep.

2:11:20Collin PalmerSo, yeah, it's a good part of the world.

2:11:23Jenn DoeYep. I mean, we're surrounded by really great states. It's just, it's a little better than it used to be, but.

2:11:33Collin PalmerI've had some amazing times riding snowboards in Utah. I mean, Honeycomb Bowl is pretty legendary out in Utah. I can't remember what mountain that, Solitude, I think that's where that, yeah, Honeycomb Bowl in Solitude. And then Brighton is super fun. Like it's small. Brighton's so fun though.

2:11:55Jenn DoeBrighton's the spot to go if you snowboard. A lot of the other places wouldn't even allow you to snowboard. It was not tolerated. So there was only a couple that we had options for.

2:12:04Collin PalmerBrighton's legendary though. It's like such a fun place to ride. The snow is so good there. Marcus, you would love Brighton. It's like a snow, it's like a snow, natural snowboard park of boulders and just like, it's so fun, man. You just like these little speed riding in powder and just launch off these rocks and float around on them. It sounds amazing. It's super cool.

2:12:29Jenn DoeSadly, we got no snow this year. It was the craziest winter. It snowed, I want to say, maybe a total of three times and the snow was gone within 48 hours. Until like, you know, mid-April, we finally got our first snowstorm in mid-April. It was crazy. It was like 68 degrees here on Christmas. Unheard of. Yeah.

2:12:54Collin PalmerI don't know. Think all out, you know, think. I know it's Trump's fault. Right?

2:13:02Jenn DoeWell, so think about this. So now, so Utah is always in a perpetual drought. Like, I don't think there's been a year that I've been alive that Utah has not been in a drought. And then with the winter that we just had that was literally non-existent, and now there's all this talk about this, what is it, 400,000 acre data center that they want to put here that's going to use something like 6 billion gallons of water daily in a state that is in a...

2:13:31Jenn DoeThe serious water crisis all the time. I'm just like, oh, we are living in idiocracy. This is insane.

2:13:39Collin PalmerIt's pretty seriously on point. Yes, we are.

2:13:41Jenn DoeYeah.

2:13:42Collin PalmerMarcus is in Starship Enterprise chair.

2:13:46Jenn DoeNice.

2:13:48BubblemanBridge calling to the medic bay. We're going to need some dabs up here on the bridge, please.

2:13:55Jenn DoeDude, this chair...

2:14:00BubblemanIt's so ridiculous. It is the most insane chair I've ever sat in in my life.

2:14:06Etienne FontanIs that one of those massage chairs? No, no, no. It's the massage chair.

2:14:10BubblemanIt's not one of those massage chairs. It is the massage chair. This thing's like 20 racks.

2:14:18Etienne FontanIt looks like a Mecca out. It looks like I'm getting ready to figure out. I know.

2:14:26BubblemanIt looks so ridiculous, dude. Oh my God.

2:14:30Jenn DoeCan you get a full shot of that, Marcus? I can't. I don't know if I can.

2:14:36BubblemanI don't know how well I can do a full shot of it. Oh shit, I'm going back, guys. I'm going back.

2:14:42Jenn DoeDoes it have the leg grabby things to get your calves and everything too?

2:14:47BubblemanAs well as feet inside. He's totally... Feet too? Oh, that's nice. I'm laid back. Oh, also it has these arm things that you fit your arms into.

2:15:00Jenn DoeThey have those at my gym and then yeah, you put your arms in there and you can feel these bags like fill up with air and like compress your arms like that.

2:15:08BubblemanIt massages you about in six different places at once.

2:15:11Collin PalmerThis is the massage chair episode now?

2:15:14BubblemanThis is the massage chair episode brought to you by Osaki. Osaki for me. Serious chairs for serious people.

2:15:25Jenn DoeSee if there's a little button on there that's got like a G and it'll actually lean you back to the point where you're. Oh, it has it. Yeah. So that'll like equalize your body so that you have equally distributed weight across the whole thing.

2:15:43Etienne FontanThat's right.

2:15:44Jenn DoeYeah. They have a version of those at the gym that I go to.

2:15:47Etienne FontanSo it's like buoyancy.

2:15:49Jenn DoeAwesome. Yeah, exactly.

2:15:53BubblemanThis thing is, it is going to pick me up soon, I think. And I'm going to walk around the reserve in this like mechanical body chair.

2:16:01Jenn DoeFlip it on.

2:16:05Etienne FontanSince you're in Denver, it doesn't have a little oxygen thing that comes over with a little bit of oxygen for.

2:16:12SpeakerNo, instead it has a small Starbucks dispenser.

2:16:18BubblemanHow pissed would you be if you got some reclaim on it? Oh, I think we'd be okay.

2:16:24Etienne FontanDoes it have a PEZ dispenser?

2:16:26BubblemanDude, hey Marcus, do you remember that one massage chair episode? Could you tell me the timestamp? Hashbible.org. Go check it out.

2:16:36Jenn DoeThat's hilarious.

2:16:38BubblemanYeah, some some very awesome community members, Jen, created some type of thing. I don't know what the hell it is. But it's some type of intelligence. And it's they transcribed all of the hash churches. And now it's all searchable. And so you can just search for something. And then it's like, The person who talked about it is in the link to answer you. It's from the episode.

2:17:00BubblemanSo it's like if you're like, oh, when did so-and-so talk about a cert? Boom, you punch that in. You'll get all the links. I did it the other day. It was on a test module. I just punched in Dr. Lester Grinspoon. And two episodes came up right away. With him in them. And then I was like, you know, I wanted to hear what he was talking about and see if I could search that and get that to a timestamp.

2:17:23BubblemanAnd that's basically what it is. It's really cool. It's coming very soon, if not in the next week. Oh, it's just intelligence. It's just intelligence.

2:17:33Collin PalmerYou gotta do a dab in the chair now.

2:17:35BubblemanI can't do a dab in the chair. My arms are locked into the chair. It's squeezing my feet. It's squeezing my head.

2:17:42Collin PalmerSounds like we've got to get the designer back to the table and put the headpiece back on. Oh, by the way, this thing has heaters.

2:17:49BubblemanIt has heaters. It has speakers. So I could have you guys coming out of my speakers right now on either side of my head. And it's got a wireless charger.

2:18:01Collin PalmerI could write a whole bit on this.

2:18:03BubblemanYeah, you should. You come here and I make a whole video of you in this chair.

2:18:10Collin PalmerSir, I said no to the helmet, but I'd like to reconsider my order.

2:18:14Jenn DoeI need glasses to go with it. I'd like to.

2:18:25Collin PalmerI would like the discount on the dab helmet after further thought.

2:18:30BubblemanThis is the couch lock chair. Actually, you know what? I think there's a pillow that I'm not using. Yes, there we go. Much better, much better. Although now this thing's trying to squeeze me out and I can't get in it because I moved my arm at the wrong time when it needed to squeeze my shoulders. This thing compresses you on the side like it's absolutely insane.

2:18:51Etienne FontanFirst world massage chair problems, ladies and gentlemen.

2:18:54Collin PalmerYeah, V2, it's going to be you move your arm slightly and it gives you a certain type of dab. You move it another way, it gives you another type of dab. Dude, get in the lab, Colin, get in the lab. I'm already, I'm taking notes right now.

2:19:07BubblemanAre you not coming over, Adam?

2:19:09Jenn DoeStretch mode, it like, it will pull you from one side here and up here. It'll literally like just see if there's a stretch mode on it.

2:19:17BubblemanOh, I've used all the modes and I have indeed used the stretch mode and the stretch mode on this thing is frightening. It is terrifying. It pulls your feet down. It bends the whole chair back. It bends your back. You're like, whoa, this is actually like borderline scary.

2:19:38BubblemanAnyway, enough about me. How are you guys doing?

2:19:41Jenn DoeVery good. So I actually have to hop off here. I just got a message that I got a surprise visit from my grandkids. So I'm going to go play with the grandbabies.

2:19:53BubblemanSo did your day just get so much better when you got that message?

2:19:58Jenn DoeYes, very much. That's so nice.

2:20:01BubblemanI can see it on your face.

2:20:02Jenn DoeYeah. How old are they now? We've got a three-year-old and an almost five-year-old.

2:20:09Etienne FontanOh my gosh. That's great age.

2:20:11Jenn DoeLittle boys. So I just had my three girls. So the whole small boy situation is so fun.

2:20:19BubblemanYeah, it's totally different for sure. That's pretty awesome. Well, you definitely enjoy your grandkids. I'm envious that you have grandkids, but I'm getting there. I'm sure eventually, maybe, I might be a grandpa.

2:20:34Jenn DoeI mean, I had a daughter at 17, so now I get to experience the grandkids before I am too terribly old.

2:20:42BubblemanYeah, exactly. Well, that's it, right? People are like, I'm not going to have my kids until I'm 50. It's like, oh, so you don't ever want to meet their kids.

2:20:50Jenn DoeYeah, you don't want the cool experience of like playing with these kids that kind of belong to you and then giving them back. So, you know, yeah.

2:20:58BubblemanOh, and you're you'll you'll most definitely be in line for great grandkids.

2:21:02Jenn DoeYeah.

2:21:03BubblemanWhich is pretty awesome, right? You'll have great grandkids when these other people are like, oh, I just had my first grandchild. It's like, Jesus Christ, dude, you're like 50 years old.

2:21:12Jenn DoeYeah, yeah, it's interesting to look at the difference between having children young versus having children old. It's like when you have them young, you have to have all these different experiences in life almost like after you raise them and then you have that freedom to go have these experiences. Whereas the opposite, if you wait till you have an old, you know, you're able to experience life in that different way.

2:21:38Jenn DoeBut yeah, I went from being a kid to having kids. So I didn't have the same freedoms, let's say, that other people did.

2:21:48BubblemanWell, you made sacrifices and you sacrificed all of those times and moments, but that's literally what parenting is. You just sacrifice for your children. And I think it's when it feels like a jail that you feel like you lose your freedom, but you don't lose your freedom because you exchanged it. You sacrificed it. It wasn't taken from you. You like happily brought up your kids.

2:22:17Jenn DoeYeah. Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't change it for the world. I don't know.

2:22:21BubblemanI don't need to go hang out with your grandsons right now. I know. It's awesome.

2:22:27Jenn DoeSo thank you for having me on. It was good to see you all.

2:22:31BubblemanYeah. Thanks for coming on, Jen. Appreciate you always and enjoy your family and enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Are you in Utah right now? I am in Utah. So we're not far from each other.

2:22:42Jenn DoeNo, honestly, if I would have seen your class a little bit sooner, I may have just taken a three-day drive up because it's only like seven hours maybe. To Denver? Yeah.

2:22:56BubblemanWow. Not too far.

2:22:58Jenn DoeThe gorgeous drive. Oh, I like that.

2:23:01BubblemanUtah is so beautiful.

2:23:02Jenn DoeYeah. And yeah, maybe next time I'll keep an eye out.

2:23:07BubblemanNext time you're in Denver, let me know and I'll... Yeah, I'll be here on June 6th for a party we're doing called Terps and Tallow. And then I might be here on 7-10 doing a thing with Puffco so that July there, July 10th.

2:23:22Jenn DoeOkay.

2:23:23BubblemanI like America now.

2:23:25Jenn DoeKeep me up to date. I would make the drive to come hang out with you.

2:23:29Collin PalmerI will. I'll be here. America.

2:23:32Jenn DoeYeah.

2:23:33Collin PalmerI love America. You're coming, Eddie Murphy every time.

2:23:37Jenn DoeI love that movie. That was such a good movie.

2:23:41Collin PalmerThat movie was such a good movie. It was beautiful. I also have to jump, everyone. I've had a lovely time with everybody here. Thank you.

2:23:50BubblemanListen, this is actually, we're going to call it a day here, actually, because I also have to jump. Because I got to go get my charger and then I got to fly home here in a little bit. But I'm glad I pulled off a couple hours. I got a big crew of people here too that I'm kind of keeping. I'm in the main room and they're all like downstairs because I'm up here on Hash Church.

2:24:11BubblemanSo appreciate you guys for doing that. I'm sure some of them are watching right now. It's time for us to get back to some dabs. I want to thank Puff Co. and the Press Club and Bubble Bags and Kyle from the Reserve. I want to thank you, buddy. Thank you for the last week. It's been amazing. Space is insane. There's definitely no better place to hang out and chill in Denver.

2:24:33BubblemanAbsolutely baller experience. Definitely worth it for those of you that are coming out to Terps and Tallow on June 6th. I will see you here. In the meantime, thanks everybody for watching. Thanks Etienne and Jen and Caleb and Colin and Archive, Fletcher Rooney. Appreciate everyone. Thanks Scott for coming on earlier from Puffco and Skully Vibes. And yeah, geez, I could go on and on and on and on and on, but I won't.

2:25:02BubblemanSo thank you everybody. We will see you next weekend where I should be, there's, I'm having a, A new group on, so it'll be a unique panel and it's going to be about these filters, these new joint smoking filters, which is neat that I even get to try anything new that has to do with joints because I smoke joints now. How about that? I love that. Isn't that crazy, Jen?

2:25:29Jenn DoeI love that for you. They're such an experience that you really just need to like,

2:25:35BubblemanThat's great. Listen, and even I've only been smoking normal joints lately, but a couple days ago, my partner was like, hey man, like try this. So I smoked this joint. It was like a 0.7, but I guess it had 0.1 of bubble hash in it. It was actually really nice. And I go to him, I'm like, what is that? And he's like, Oh, snap. He's like, they're bubble man infused joints.

2:26:00BubblemanI'm like, what are you? I'm like, dude, he's like, yeah, dude, you're smoking joints now, man. This is a skew we got to do. I'm like, I'd smoke the joint. My whole team smoked the joints. We all love them. We didn't know. And so it was kind of an easy like, fuck, I guess we're going to be releasing some infused joints into the Colorado market. All right, everybody.

2:26:22BubblemanThanks for coming out. Hash Church. We'll see you next time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

2:26:30SpeakerPeace.

2:26:34BubblemanI can't, I can't figure this out.

2:26:36Etienne FontanWe believe in you. I can't figure it out. Enjoy the day.