Father's Day and Thailand's Cannabis Scene

0:04BubblemanAll right. Not sure exactly what I've done here, but it looks like I've got two screens. Let me see if you guys are seeing. No, you're not. Okay, good. Interesting. Welcome, everybody. Welcome everybody to Past Church Season 12, Episode 25. My confusion was that I guess I've created, I clicked the link that now creates, not only does it create the full-size screen, but simultaneously on my Zoom box, I have a short screen as well.

0:38BubblemanAnd I guess this is to make shorts easier, some new thing YouTube's doing anyway. Number one dad here coming at you live. Thanks to my boy Tanner for giving me this shirt. Number one dad. It is Father's Day today. So I wish all of you fathers, fathers to be, fathers that were, fathers that are, a very happy Father's Day. You guys matter, believe it or not. It is...

1:04BubblemanMen's Mental Health Week Month. Sorry, I guess it's Men's Mental Health Month. I had no idea. I always just thought it was Pride Month. But apparently, while it is Pride Month, it is also simultaneously Men's Mental Health Month. So get your mental health in order. Hopefully you guys are doing well. And hopefully if you're having stress as a man, Not that many places to go sometimes. So maybe we can make this a place to go.

1:33BubblemanHash Church, if you're having a difficult time, hit us up in the chat today. We've got some pretty positive people in the chat that might be able to... To bring you to a positive place for the dads out there who are unable to see their kids. My hearts go out to you guys. I know that's got to be the most difficult thing. I'm blessed. I'm allowed to see my kids.

1:55BubblemanI live with my kids. So I don't take that for granted. But yeah, shout out to all the dads. Shout out to all the moms. Shout out to all the kids. Shout out to everybody. And welcome to Hash Church because we're here and we're doing it and we're going to go hard. So as always, I'd love to start off with giving love to my sponsors because, well, we couldn't do it without them, although we could probably do it without them.

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5:53BubblemanAnd we have all sorts of supportive communities from our groups on Facebook to our group here on Hash Church. So please come check us out. All right, so that's done. I know Dr. Mark's got a gentleman he's trying to bring on today. We'll see how that works out.

6:19BubblemanLet's see what Mr. Ramo is saying. Maybe he wants to come do a little visit. Now, Colin... So we're not sure we're going to see him today. He doesn't have any idea what time it is here versus what time it is there. And I know how that feels. Gosh, I've had it happen. Just being in Indiana recently on the Illinois border. I was in Illinois on the Indiana border, but the hour kept flipping on me.

6:46BubblemanAnd I literally, even by checking online, I could not figure out what timeline was. I was in. So, uh, yeah, let's, uh, I think let's have a puff. I have some beautiful Father's Day full melt bubble. I'm not going to lie. This is some spectacular bubble hash. Ooh, please wash me. I love the flavor profile on this. I'm not going to lie.

7:14BubblemanHappy Father's Day, brother. Happy Father's Day to Remo. Happy Father's Day to Dr. Mark because, well, we got all sorts of fathers in the house. Him being just one of them. Let's make sure we're all good here. Yes, we are good. Yes, yes. Very good. Bingo. We've got some beautiful. And thanks to Quav. Quav. Sorry, Quav. Thanks to Quav. No, thanks to the Quav Banger hooking me up in Colorado recently, the Quav Banger Club.

7:44BubblemanI think I'm going to call it co-op from now on. It makes me sound French and fancy. How's it going, Dr. Mark? Good. How are you, Marcus? It's going good, dude. I loved the picture of you and Dr. Mark. The Dr. Mark's photo is like I'm framing it and putting it on my wall.

8:01SpeakerYeah, so tell them what you're talking about.

8:05BubblemanWell, I was, of course, I missed the, oh, what was it? No, I'm going to make a mistake. What was the event called? It wasn't Medican. It was...

8:15SpeakerUh, it's, it's, it's CanMed. CanMed. Yes. So this was CanMed 2026. So this is, uh, you know, most people know that this is, uh, the folks at Medical Genomics, uh, which is the McKernan brothers. So there's Kevin McKernan and his brother. Brandon McKernan. And yeah, I mean, like many things in the industry, there's people who have opinions about them. And certainly I don't agree with everything. You know, Kevin's a really, really smart guy.

8:48SpeakerHe worked on the Human Genome Project and most of their products that relate to cannabis have to do with screening for pathogens. And Kevin is a really, really bright, very inspiring kind of guy. Yeah. And his brother... Brandon, who run the Medicinal Genomics Company. And yeah, so I'm really excited because, you know, it's it's just it's such a great group of people. You know, Marcus, you know, some of these folks like Ethan was there.

9:20SpeakerAnd we're of course, we're talking about Ethan Russo. Bonnie Goldstein, Dustin Sulak, Sue Sisley, you know, the front end doctors who use cannabis in their practices and are showing the rest of the world about how you can successfully treat All kinds of medical conditions with cannabis. And so Dustin Sulak, known as the healer, he's up here in Maine. Sue Sisley, who's very well known for her suing the government over cannabis.

9:54SpeakerFor the moldy weed that the University of Mississippi used to have to provide to do any kind of clinical work. She's now been successful in those lawsuits and now is using locally grown source cannabis in her clinical trials with veterans who have PTSD. So it's very exciting to To hear about Sue's research and what Sue's doing. Bonnie Goldstein, who's one of the, again, very well-known pediatric doctors who, again, has been treating kids with, oh, Marcus, these stories, I'm almost tearing up as I tell you this.

10:37SpeakerAnd again, being a father and being somebody who, again, when you have children who are sick, And you know that cannabis works and you know that the government has lied to us and they try to drug you with all of these FDA approved pharmaceuticals that are supposedly safe and they end up actually causing more damage than they do good. It's just so amazing that these doctors have basically put their own careers on the line to be those doctors that are using cannabis, not as a, oh, okay, you have chemotherapy now, so now you're going to die, so here, take some cannabis.

11:19SpeakerNo, they're using cannabis as a front-end medication. You know, and avoiding pharmaceuticals. And that's again, this is like Dustin Sulak up here in Maine, Bonnie Goldstein out in Los Angeles. Ethan, as we know, is just such a huge pioneer in this field. Ethan is by training a neurologist, but he still, I believe, sees patients and makes recommendations on cannabis. And Ethan's gone the next step, which is actually now involved in certain products.

11:55SpeakerAnd Ethan thinks the new cannabinoid that's really going to gain a lot of traction in the medical field is going to be CBG. And it's partly due to his work. So Professor Mandeep Satcheva, who spoke from Florida A&M, talked about combinations of CBC and CBG that are basically completely wiping out

12:26SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

12:45SpeakerThere was another fellow there named Luke Hodson from a company called Sensa down in Atlanta that's developed a CBD derivative that's much more bioavailable and is less metabolizable than CBD. CBD, even in Epidiolex, one of the reasons why the dose is so high, an effective dose, is because again there's a a metabolism of cbd in the body to an inactive metabolite this company has figured it out and they figured out a better molecule that was much more bioavailable and they're going to take that into inds ind is a acronym for investigational new drug so that's what you need to do to petition the fda to basically move something into clinical trials so lots of exciting stuff going on i travel there with my colleague Lindsay Avery, who showed some of the data that we've generated on some of the new derivatives that we've made.

13:41SpeakerWe've made a hydrofluorinated version of HHC that is completely killing all kinds of cancer cells. It is just amazing. It just lit up the screens down at the National Cancer Institute. So one of the meetings that I had was with an attendee who was from the National Institutes of Health, and he's tying us in with some researchers down there in Bethesda to make sure that my research is funded and to make sure that it continues to go forward because we're seeing some very fascinating data.

14:14SpeakerI'll be able to share some of that data coming up here on Hash Church. But hey, Marcus, I reached out to Israel Gasparin from a company in Toronto. He spoke last year at CanMed, but I had a lot of good FaceTime with him this year. In fact, we split an Uber coming back to the airport. He was going back to Toronto and I was coming back here to Vermont.

14:36SpeakerSo his company is called Zentrella. So Z-E-N-T-R-E-L-A. And he just texted me and said that he will be joining us. So his company has got this fascinating technology. And I'll tell the story that I told you earlier today, Marcus. Should we?

14:57BubblemanShould we? Should we preempt his story or should we just let it go? What do you think?

15:02SpeakerI'll tell you the story that I told you, which is that they were working with PAX, and I took a photo of one of his slides, and I sent it over to Colin. And I'm like, hey, look at this cool thing that this company is doing with PAX. And Colin got back to me immediately and said, that's my formulation.

15:23BubblemanYeah, but didn't they pay him for those formulations?

15:26SpeakerYes, yes, yes. So now they're theirs. Right, and I don't believe Colin's working with PAX, but while Colin was working with PAX, we should know that, again, this is, I guess, maybe their premier flagship. Oh, it's a live rosin pen or whatever Colin's formulation is. I don't pretend to know.

15:44BubblemanSo do you want to know the funniest thing about the live rosin pen? The first person they called about that was me in 2014, 2015. And it was because Tony and I were working on creating the Bubble Man Trinity pen. I don't know if you remember that pen. But we had one called the Trinity in 2014. And it was sold at here's the box right here. Oh, no, this is the Triton.

16:11BubblemanThis is the next one. The Triton. This is from 2014. If you can imagine. And I, they called me, they said, we want to do a live rosin pen with your company. And I said, we'll just call my partner. He runs my brand. And so I gave them Tony's number and they called Tony. And like, I didn't hear anything for like two or three weeks. And one day I just was like, hey, what's going on with that pack still?

16:37BubblemanHe goes, oh yeah, I meant to tell you, thank you. That's amazing. And I was like, what's amazing? Are we doing it? He's like, he's like, well, you know, we're doing a Blue River one. I figured that was made more sense than the Bubble Man one. And I'm like, but I gave you their number. Because they reached out to me to do a Bubble Man pen. So that's how close I got to do it.

16:56BubblemanThis was before Colin got involved. This was before Tony did his pen with them because he did a Blue River Pax pen. That's kind of how Blue River blew up. And that's also kind of how Tony and I blew up. That was sort of the beginning.

17:09SpeakerWhat year was that, Marcus? It had to be 2015. 2015. So that was really at the front end of... 100%.

17:19SpeakerWhen that whole thing was happening, I mean, so I remember very, very crude vape pens around 2011 where, you know, you had the load. The thing and the thing with the little globe. Remember the thing with the little globe? Oh, yeah. You'd have to fill the globe with smoke. I forget what version that was, but I want to say that was like 2011, 2012-ish. But yeah, 2015, I mean, you think about it, right?

17:49SpeakerEven like when you look at the devices today, oh my gosh. I mean, just the hardware has been so...

17:59SpeakerI guess the right word is developed and optimized. You know, to get away from, you know, cotton wicks, I guess there used to be a bunch of cotton in there, right? Now, I believe there are systems that are completely, you know, fiberless. There's no more cotton wick that's involved. Is that correct? I mean, it's all like ceramic. This one was from 2014, dude.

18:24BubblemanAnd this one was from my buddy Gary from Utopian. This is the guy that created the one that could pump kilos of oil. Every one of his components is completely like just high quality. Everything's just perfect. You can see this guy here and then you have five different sizes. We'll take the big guy. Which is the atomizer. 2015, if you can imagine this. Shout out to Gary Bay.

18:53BubblemanThat goes like that. Then that pumps into there. Then you've got your mouthpiece. And then, of course, this went on to the battery. I don't have the battery anymore, but it was a big fat... Oh, this is the same battery right here, actually. Yeah, I'm looking for my old... All right, let's move on to the next one. We're going to go to the next one.

19:15SpeakerWe're going to go to the next one.

19:35BubblemanHe discovered what was inside of them. He started breaking them open and finding the wick, the solder, you know, the coating on the wires that were being evaporated and vaporized out. So he kind of discovered all of this stuff. He was the savant. And I put him together with Tony because Tony was doing the brand down in California and we were doing a terpene rosin mixture. So Gary needed to be involved in regards to, you know, the fluidity of the oil was how he based the technology.

20:09BubblemanAnd so that was over 10 years ago.

20:14SpeakerYeah, I was like 10, 11 years ago. Yeah, so this is pre-Roger, right? This is pre-Pufco, because I know...

20:21BubblemanThis would be pre-Pufco. Pufco is 10 years now, so Pufco didn't come out much later. You know what I mean? Like, they came out... They just had their 10-year anniversary or whatever, so... Yeah, I met with them early on.

20:36SpeakerAvi, I think, is Roger's engineer or... I can't remember what his training was, but he's basically the wizard at Puffco. I think his name is Avi, right? A-V-I, I think.

20:51BubblemanThat's a good job title. I'm the wizard. What do you do over there? Just I'm the wizard.

20:57SpeakerThey knew that just putting oil onto, you know, nichrome wire, I mean, nichrome is the same thing you see in your hairdryer and your toaster oven, right? That thing that turns bright red in your toaster oven. Oh, yeah. So that's basically just nichrome, which is an alloy of nickel and chromium.

21:16BubblemanSpeaking of wizards.

21:18SpeakerWe have someone, oh, okay, there he is. So isn't it just so, I mean, we have, there is, you know, like any new industry or any new thing, there's like an S curve, right? And there's this innovation that happens early on, early on, early on. Now things have kind of plateaued, right? Would you agree, Marcus, that we've kind of gotten so far that how much further is there to go?

21:46SpeakerRight? I mean, man, I bet you further.

21:50BubblemanYou know what Terrence said, how come the deeper in you go, the bigger it gets?

21:56SpeakerYeah, you would think though, I mean, I'm just talking about vape pen and vaporization technology. I mean, when even you think the innovation in glass blowing and being able to make a quartz banger, you know, I mean, when did that start? What was the first I mean, who did that? When did that happen?

22:27BubblemanAt the top of my head, I have no idea, but I will say that that full melt bubble was delicious on a side note.

22:35SpeakerSo what I'm going to do here live on Hash Church is so Colin gave me one of these. So here it is. And you know what? Look what it says here, Mark. Rip here. Rip here. Like, where else are you going to rip? So, yeah.

22:51BubblemanWell, not everyone that buys that has a PhD mark, so.

22:55SpeakerOkay, so it says here, it says, on the other side, it says grip here. The other side, it says rip here. Grip and rip. So, and this is obviously our friend's, that's his, this is his label. How do you like that, Marcus? Yes. Yeah, very nice. Very nice. So what is that?

23:14BubblemanSo Vessel Life Sciences, New York.

23:18SpeakerOh, okay. Okay, so that's what that means. So let's rip this in real time and we'll look at Colin's pen. So yes, Colin was on his way to Thailand. He's going to come in soon, actually. He's in Thailand right now. He's in Thailand.

23:36BubblemanI guess he's like 11 o'clock tomorrow or something.

23:39SpeakerA bunch of clones and it's like, yeah.

23:44BubblemanDude, flying into Thailand with a bunch of clones is wild.

23:48SpeakerOkay, so here's Colin's hardware. Oh, yeah. You've seen these before, right? Hey, Marcus.

23:55BubblemanI think I have almost the exact same thing right here. Yeah. This is Kung Fu Vapes has been doing this version and then it plugs. You can take the things out, right?

24:07SpeakerUh, yeah, I've, yeah, I've never.

24:10BubblemanMaybe mine's different.

24:11SpeakerI don't want to break it. I don't know. Are these. Might be an all-in-one.

24:15BubblemanThat's a big all-in-one though. It's a big disposable if it is. Let's ask Colin. He's coming in right now. This is the same idea, but with just pods that replace.

24:27SpeakerOh yeah. It's proper.

24:32SpeakerOh yeah.

24:35BubblemanYeah. Delicious. Yo. Yo, dude. Did you come in from Thailand and you put a background on? You should be like it with the background. Thailand.

24:47Collin PalmerHold on. I'm in my hotel. Let me let me just tell you, it's but it's a Thai hotel. I know, but it's not. It's like, are you in Bangkok? Yeah, dude, I'm in Bangkok. Hold on a second. Let me fix the background.

25:00BubblemanListen, I hid some hash in 1998 on Khao San Road.

25:04Collin PalmerNo way. Really? The hash here is, you know, the hash scene is pretty cool. It's highly illegal for those that don't have medical.

25:14BubblemanYeah. What's highly illegal?

25:18Collin PalmerSo what I'm being told is it's a fine, but it's not a huge fine. I think like they, I'm being told it's like anywhere from $200 to $1,000, right? It's not highly illegal.

25:35Collin PalmerWell, then they, then the police, and then I was told the other day that the, you know, there's no gangs here because the police are the gang.

25:42SpeakerRight.

25:43Collin PalmerRight. And so you have to know the police and then you have to, you know, work with the right people and you don't have, you can't work with the low level individuals because if you do, then all the people above him come to you until you hit the top guy. Right. And it's this long convoluted thing that, um, I'm learning about. So it's super cool. The country is amazing.

26:10Collin PalmerThe people are incredible. Some of the hash is really quite old school, but some of it's pretty new school. It's a really nice spread of people with knowledge. We toured some grows, which are varying in sophistication, which is amazing to see. All the way from like the most high-tech indoor 100, you know, Two, 300, 400 lights, you know, like massive indoor proper facility with like properly grown genetics and, you know, some living soil gardens.

26:43Collin PalmerBut it's all changing quickly towards the end of medical. And that's why we're here because we're being we're putting together a lab or we've put together a lab for medical export. Thank you so much for joining us.

27:14Collin PalmerI'm just super impressed with just... Indoor or outdoor, Colin? So what we're doing is indoor and controlled greenhouse. Now there is all of the above though. I mean, I saw hoop houses, I saw...

27:28Collin PalmerAll of these are like just great straight up outdoor grows like, you know, acreage and whatnot. And that's that's Chiang Mai. That's a that's a that's an hour flight north of here. We go to Chiang Mai to go to the grows. It's where mainly a lot of the grows are. There's a few grows here in Bangkok that we've toured. We went to one yesterday, but they're much smaller.

27:49Collin PalmerYou know, like there's a couple of bigger ones here. So, um, with the laws changing, speaking to some of these, these cultivators just that are still hanging onto the old model, um, you know, they're not quite sure how it's going to go. So they're just waiting for guidance. So it's a big spread.

28:05SpeakerAre they washing and making hash right there where they're growing or did they have a separate facility for that?

28:11Collin PalmerSo that's the thing. You're actually not allowed to do this unless you have the license that I have. So there are people washing. Yes. And I won't name those people. And, you know, because.

28:22BubblemanDude, this is the crazy thing about Thailand. And I've been hearing this. I know. First, it blew up. And I was like, whoa, like they released so many clones. They did this. They did it in a way that I've never heard another country doing it in my life. They like blew past Amsterdam from zero to 100 miles an hour just overnight. Then. The king or whatever was like, no, we're going to pull this back.

28:48BubblemanIt's going to be, you know, this was when it started getting more serious. And this was because so many people were just bringing shit in from Cali. There were just Cali packs in Thailand, like crazy. And so they were like, okay, we got to, this will be embarrassed. Once it's outside of your country, then it becomes an embarrassment, right? So I think that's might've been what happened.

29:08BubblemanThen they were like, okay, we're going to do these licenses. That's when I started having conversations in Thailand. And the thing that weirded me out was every single person I talked to, and I only talked to maybe like eight or nine groups, said they had that license during a time when like four people had that license.

29:27Collin PalmerNo, there's one person with this license, bro. I'll tell you right now. There's actually only one. There's another.

29:32BubblemanI'd also heard this story as well. So how the fuck do you like protect yourself and know that it's real?

29:41Collin PalmerOur lawyers, and this has been worked on for three years. This is not just something that came out of the blue. This has been strategically been, we've been negotiating this for quite some time. This was going to be another company's project, but that certain company is in a heap of trouble. And we decided to do it ourselves.

30:01SpeakerYeah, so you don't get there for free without paying attorneys to do exactly what you did.

30:06Collin PalmerNo, not at all, dude. This is not by chance. This is not by luck. This is not because we were at the right place at the right times because we brought in our team. We were approached by a particular group that wanted a different group, actually, and that group totally blew themselves up. And we had an opportunity and our lawyers said that if you want this, you can do it.

30:32Collin PalmerIt is unique. So we're going to do it, you know, and we negotiated the deal for a long time. You know, this is not just like, hey, I'll sign paperwork and get off over here. I mean, I brought clones here, guys. Like I flew through China with clones. It was the most scary thing I've ever done. I'm not going to lie. I mean, I have a picture of me with all the suitcases when I landed in Thailand.

30:55Collin PalmerIt's hilarious. It's just me with all the clones and suitcases holding them. And I'm like, I look scared.

31:01BubblemanHere's a question. Did you just bring them or did you have paperwork that you brought?

31:07Collin PalmerI brought paperwork. Okay. That's the other thing.

31:09BubblemanAnd you showed that paperwork to customs while they were looking at the plants.

31:13Collin PalmerCorrect.

31:14BubblemanExactly. That's how you do it properly.

31:17Collin PalmerCorrect. Yeah, I want to tell the audience here, this is not, again, this is not by chance. This is not something that I had a hope and a dream and just got on a plane with clones. Don't try this at home.

31:26BubblemanWell, I will tell you, DEA or not, those papers would not have protected you in China.

31:32Collin PalmerI know, but this is connected to another license that's one of the DEA license in the States as well. So it's a bigger, it's a much bigger license than I'm alluding to here. This is not just a Thailand license. This is connected to the United States as well. And we did this because, again, Marcus, we've all been doing this our whole lives. We want to touch more people with our hash.

31:56Collin PalmerSo this is our conduit. So for Marcus, for Dr. Mark, for myself, for all the people that are close to us to have the ability to do what we do and touch many people. So that's what we've done. We set up a conduit. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so excited to be able to touch the rest of the world. We have an incredible team behind this.

32:15Collin PalmerI've been waiting a long time to talk about it. Omar Ortiz is in his hotel room upstairs. I told him to come down to talk about it, but you'll probably I'll try to get him on the show to kind of talk a little bit more about our cultivation partnership and who's behind that.

32:35Collin PalmerIt's cool. It's just a cool opportunity for us all. You know, I look at this as the water and it rises all the boats and everybody can be a part of this. It's not just one singular brand. Yes, I'll be doing some vessel stuff, but obviously, you know, the doors open for everybody that is close to us. You know, like we want that. We want to be able to bring people to the rest of the world.

32:59SpeakerSo will you be producing a tie stick? That's my biggest question. Will there be a wooden stick with weed with a little string?

33:08Collin PalmerNo, probably not.

33:09SpeakerFor us old school guys, we want that.

33:12Collin PalmerI don't know how that would get done, you know, because it's not a medical product, you know. But we obviously never say never.

33:21BubblemanYou just got to get medical sticks.

33:25SpeakerYou know, back in the day, you know, I was growing up in suburban New York City. So I was living in northern New Jersey. We used to come in Central Park and you could buy either a small manila envelope, which they used to call dime bags, right? Small manila envelope that you would usually get one or two joints out of the receipts and stems in there. Or you could buy a tie stick for $20.

33:49SpeakerAnd the tie stick literally was a wooden stick. with weed with just like a small little thread just kind of like wrapped around it almost like a like a brajol the way we wrap brajol when we make it when we make brajol in italian cooking right you wrap it with a string right so and i remember hearing that these were dipped that they would take they take the buds on the stick and dip it in something like oil or something like that

34:19Collin PalmerWhatever it is that we can make oil down here because there's no hydrocarbon in the country, right? There's no ethanol from what we understand because you're not allowed to make technically make extracts. It's not considered medical. It's considered drugs. And so, yeah, they don't do that kind of stuff. They don't do it. Like, for instance, I was looking for gummies and it was like really difficult to find them.

34:43Collin PalmerAnd then I found a couple shops that had them, you know, and but they were like really, really strong. They were like 50 milligrams per per gummy, you know, and I was like, you know, I'm not really looking for that kind of feel right now. But I broke them up. They're like, cut them in half. Cut them in half.

35:00BubblemanThat's what they said to me in Michigan. I was like, I don't want to cut them in half. I want a gummy that's just 10 milligrams. Totally.

35:08Collin PalmerThey were out of them. So the other thing is these people have to pay the police, which I thought was interesting on the medical side for the shops right now. Because as I said, I was explained to, you know, there's no gangs, right? It's, you know, you deal with it by block by block, kind of how New York used to deal with it. But yeah, learning, really cool learning experience.

35:32Collin PalmerThose of you that are out there listening, it's more to come as we come back here more and more. This is the first trip of many. And we're just kind of here doing a lot of, you know, kissing babies and shaking hands and making sure the equipment runs and You know, it's cool.

35:50SpeakerYou're the hash ambassador. I'm trying.

35:53Collin PalmerTrying to do it for us, boys.

35:55SpeakerThe hash ambassador.

35:55Collin PalmerI'm out here, you know.

35:59SpeakerHey, Colin, guess who I... Marcus let me send the link over to Israel Gasparin from Zentrella. So I think he's going to join us here in just a little bit.

36:10BubblemanAwesome. Hell yeah. When have I not let you? You're like, Marcus, let me. Like this strict fucking like hash church guy. Just keep the thing on lockdown. Listen, Dr. Mark, with all your fucking people you want to invite. I have never not allowed anyone you guys want to invite. I am down.

36:30SpeakerWell, there's the Canadian connection, which is really cool. And then like I was saying before, when I took a screenshot from CanMed last year and sent it over to Colin, Colin's like, That's my product.

36:47SpeakerHow's the new product, by the way, that I gave you on that?

36:49Collin PalmerThat new product is, I would say, probably four or five to ten steps above that last product that I put out for those guys.

36:56SpeakerYou're talking about the Superboost? Yes. Oh, my God. I don't even have that with me. I have it upstairs. How's the Gigi?

37:03Collin PalmerDid you get the Gigi?

37:04SpeakerThat's my Father's Day gift for later tonight. I can't wait to enjoy it. But I did unveil your pen right here on Hash Church.

37:15Collin PalmerEverybody saw it, right? Right?

37:18SpeakerSo represented. And it was so cool to introduce you to Israel the other night at dinner, right?

37:26Collin PalmerIt felt really cool to be there with you all. And, you know, it's a really different event than any of the events I've been to, you know, just in terms of you're looking and feeling all the knowledge and all of the just deep, deep seed, you Thank you so much for joining us.

38:01SpeakerWe saw the doctors. We saw Sue Sisley and Stacey Gruber and Bonnie Goldstein and Ethan Russo and Dustin Sulak. Dustin is fucking amazing, dude. He is the guru in our community. I had this vision the other night after Megan put a few drops on my hand of Dustin saying, You know, he's just, he, when he, he usually carries his hair in a ponytail and it's hard to tell that he's a long hair.

38:34SpeakerBut man, at, at CanMed, he just let that freak flag fly. And I had this vision of him being this guru because he was doing this yoga session. And it's like, yeah, it totally, it totally made full, full, full.

38:48Collin PalmerI was jealous of that, that, that session, man. I was walking out with my coffee to the, to like, just look at the beach and I saw him doing his yoga session. I was like, Damn, I should have linked with him last night and I didn't realize he was, this is that kind of party, you know?

39:01SpeakerHe's an amazing guy and when he speaks and he relates his patient case stories, you can't help but being in awe that this plant Thank you so much for joining us.

39:35SpeakerThey are the real pioneers. Sue Sisley is my freaking hero. I mean, she sued the government because of moldy weed from University of Mississippi. I mean, just huge. She came to the conference with a dog, a support dog, and the dog's name was JD, and it was a really cool dog. Thank you so much for joining us.

40:17Collin PalmerHe took basically Canopedia and his QPCR assay and had Claude design a AI backend that allows his QPCR to be run and stacked on top of itself. So it could be run and then stacked and then run and run and run and run. And it takes only two hours to get the results. Versus, you know, days, you know, and the cost of this is far greater as far less than anything that we've ever seen before.

40:49Collin PalmerSo what we're able to do is from a genetic genomic research point of view, we're able to skip steps that we were, we were skip steps essentially that were holding us back using LIDAR because the processing time was so long.

41:08BubblemanWell, there it is in a nutshell. Everything's going to be speeding up. It's like humanity's mission is to hack time or discover God, which must be the same thing.

41:20Collin PalmerI literally was in tears, guys. Sorry, I'm just going to grab something. I was honestly, because I've been working with Kevin on just sequencing a lot of the cuts that I have just because I'm trying to understand everything about them and When he unveiled this, man, I almost was in tears because it's, you know how long this shit takes? It's nuts.

41:40BubblemanDude, in six months to a year, he'll be unveiling something that is going to speed it up another 500x.

41:47Collin PalmerI yeah and it's it's so um just the way he presented it was so humble and like I was just like in the middle of it I just started clapping like and then the whole room started clapping because I just was like what do we does anyone understand what just happened like he just broke the world in half and then put it back together and found a faster way to do it you know and it's you know it's it's I couldn't believe it so I really think, you know, and then also...

42:16SpeakerSo is it a kit? Is it a... It's a part of a kit. Is it disposable? Is it usable?

42:22Collin PalmerSo what's... Let me go into my notes here and just so I can talk about it better. I'm like, forgive me, guys. It's like 11.37 p.m. at night here and I'm about to go out. So, yeah, it's about to get wild here. I'm going to go. I'm bringing a camera with me. I'm just going to start. I'm going to shoot. I'm going to shoot some wild, all kinds of stuff.

42:46Collin PalmerI brought a camera with me.

42:47Etienne FontanSo here, let me get my notes. Photos. Yeah, let me get the photos too.

42:52SpeakerDun, dun, dun, dun. So these are screenshots of Kevin's talk that he gave.

43:01Collin PalmerYeah, I just wanted to kind of go in and just kind of read some of the stuff that I felt like was really exciting. So LIDAR is longitudinal identification via dequenching of amplified reports. So the, a primer probe that turns five color QPCR. Okay, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop. Yep.

43:28SpeakerWhat's a primer? Our audience doesn't, I know what a primer is, but what's a primer?

43:31Collin PalmerYou're going to have to explain the primer.

43:33SpeakerOkay, so a primer is a sequence of DNA, right? That basically is at the front end of coding for a particular enzyme or protein. Okay. Correct.

43:44Collin PalmerSo what was, okay, so this, I'll go off that. So what was, what is unique to this is that before it was all one color. Okay. As you know, Dr. Mark, it's very difficult to differentiate what is there.

43:57SpeakerSo when you say one color, you're talking about what a technician would be reading. We'd be reading on a graph. Right. And that would determine whether or not there's a pathogen in plant material, right? Correct. Okay, just tie it back to the plant. Okay, go ahead.

44:12Collin PalmerYeah, I love that. Yeah, exactly. So why that's really important to the audience here, guys, and this is, you should really pay attention to what we're about to explain here. Because we basically been, essentially we've been looking in black and white the whole time. We've never had color, ever. Okay, we don't know from line to line what it may be. And that's why testing generalizes as well.

44:36Collin PalmerLike they don't know what strain of Aspergillus it is, right, due to that. What Kevin's done is took five color QPCR and he's hybridized that and turned it into five color QPCR. And now it's multi-dimensional in a multiplex platform. So now what that means is that everything can be color coded all the way down on the graph. And you can then differentiate line by line what it actually is.

45:03Collin PalmerThat's never been done before ever, from what I understand.

45:12Collin PalmerLIDAR unifies the two flavors of QPCR. Okay. There's SYBR.

45:18SpeakerOkay, hold on, hold on. Just make sure our audience is with us.

45:22Collin PalmerI want you to go in. This is your land, so I want you to go in.

45:25SpeakerYeah, this is a great one-two punch here, right? So I'll give this one. So QPCR is called Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reaction, which was a really revolutionary technology that enabled... From a DNA fragment to be able to, the polymerase chain reaction basically grows DNA. That basically is be able to construct a full DNA construct from just smaller fragments. So that's what PCR allows in a very quick nutshell.

45:56SpeakerI may not have gotten entirely right, but it's close to that, but go ahead.

46:00Collin PalmerYeah, so, and then I'm just going to go back to it. So, SYBR plus HRM. Interlacing dye, right? That's the melt curve identity, the TM, right? That's one color and dimmers counted, right? So it's just one color. What he's done is through hydrolysis probes, he's created a TACMAN, which is a multidimensional color system. It sequences specific multiplex, You know, problems. And it it's a it's a probe that is consumed and is not melted.

46:43Collin PalmerOK, so what that means is that it's not a blend of one color. It's a spread of many colors and it has a spread of of of. Just a ton of different colors that allows you to understand the different things that are in the graph, whether it might be microbes, right, whether it might be. You know, things in the rhizosphere. That's another thing that they've been doing over there and they unveiled is that you can now see, you know, what's going on in the root system, all the pathogens that might be there, what they are, and then line by line and color coding them as well.

47:20SpeakerYeah. So in the older technology, which is just monochromatic, you're just looking at whether or not it's either really dark or really light, right? So that's just sort of one dimensional analysis. This now takes us into a new dimension. Right, because now we can not only look at the color intensity, right, which by polymerase chain reaction basically tells you how much of the material is there, but now we could use different colors for different fragments of DNA or different species, right?

47:50SpeakerYeah. It gives you a way to speciate. It gives you a way to speciate. If that's really a word, I don't even know if it's a word.

47:57Collin PalmerBut what it allows you to do is it helps with the LIDAR. It helps with the genotyping, right? It also, you know what I mean? It allows us to understand. That's the other thing that is so exciting is like, You're now skipping and jumping and you're actually able to understand exactly what it is by using color, which is extremely useful. So I'm really thrilled with this thing.

48:22Collin PalmerI think it's super cool. Yeah, there you go. The AI Vibe Coding Primer. And he did this in 24 hours, man.

48:36Collin PalmerLike, look at this. This is just so cool.

48:44SpeakerSo, Colin, what are we looking at there? So, can you put that back up again?

48:47BubblemanYep. I love the timing. You want to put it up, Colin, or you want me to put it up?

48:52Collin PalmerI can't. I don't know. I was trying to put it up, so I sent it over to you, brother. Okay. I don't... Yeah, I can't. I just... I'm, like, on my phone trying to find... And then he also updated the...

49:07Collin PalmerThe Canopedia as well, which I thought was cool.

49:11SpeakerWhat does that read out with the different humps, the blue and the yellow humps mean? What does that mean? So those are...

49:20BubblemanPredicted HRM melt peaks. Melt peaks, bro. You don't recognize the melt peaks?

49:27Collin PalmerSo that's what the new melt peaks now look like that because you're now color coding them, right? And you can see the differentiation between them. Before you would never have been able to see that.

49:41Collin PalmerAnd that's the new Canopedia. He also, I took some video of him scrolling through it just because I thought it was just, you know, phyllos on steroids kind of thing.

49:53BubblemanRemember the drama that Philo's caused in the community? That was wild, dude. Yeah, and you know what?

50:00Collin PalmerAlicia did a great presentation on genetic markers for resin production. I thought that was a really cool... Um, presentation, you know, I, I tried to see it up for her to try to explain to the, the audience, like, why is it different than buying a 10 pack from like some random breeder? Um, because I think what the work that they're doing is interesting. I don't, I don't really know enough about it to really comment on about the genetic quality, like the quality of the work.

50:32Collin PalmerBut, um, I think what they're doing is interesting and I think it does push. The idea that we can maybe, much like, you know, Dr. Mark Lewis has identified the particular markers for high-tac, We're now doing that for glandular trichome development, which I think is really interesting and kind of something I know all of us have thought about, but it's kind of like that future science stuff that you don't know how you quite get to.

51:05Collin PalmerAnd I think that she's really... You know, giving her flowers here, you know, Alicia's really done the work. And, you know, regardless of what happened at Philos, I think that they've continued to be good stewards for the idea of science within, you know, a mess of confusion. And I kind of handed to them when they presented this. I was a little like, oh, no, another another solventless bandwagon person, you know, like I really did feel that.

51:31Collin PalmerBut I also felt I think it's important to understand what they're actually doing and respect it in a way that is just real. I think that they're doing work that most people are quite frankly afraid of doing. And I commend them for doing that. Well, it's definitely important work.

51:48BubblemanI mean, a lot of companies, a lot of solventless companies in particular will not survive because they don't find the right genetic to build their company around. yeah especially the ones that aren't into covering you know although i will say after the last You know, five plus years of talking about it. I see it more and more, but, you know, there's still a ton of solventless brands that stand alone on either live hash rosin, just, or maybe live hash rosin, all-in-ones, and bubble hash, which is very difficult to do when you're not going to cover that whole gamut of, you know, the traditional hashes and all those other hashes that are not the rocket ship to ride to the moon.

52:32BubblemanSo it's interesting.

52:35SpeakerLet me ask, so from what I think you just mentioned, but I just want to clarify this maybe for me and both the audience. So there are genetic markers for good varieties that wash? Is that what you're saying?

52:50Collin PalmerCorrect. Yeah, well, within the genome, I believe, you know, what she's done is she's identified the region of interest, and she's really been focusing on... On trying to exploit that, you know, for her work, you know, and she's got a few varietals that she's done it with that are showing promise in terms of yield. You know, the graphs she showed were pretty impressive.

53:17SpeakerYeah, I mean, that's really interesting. So what you're saying is that at the genetic level, they could basically determine perhaps maybe how brittle the head structure could be at the top of the trichome or maybe like... Or elongated stock, you know, is another... Elongated stock and now mechanically that trichome is very susceptible to basically hashing.

53:43Collin PalmerNot always, though. She brought up a great point. It's where the head meets the cuticle, like right at that point. I can't remember the technical term for what that is right now.

53:54SpeakerThe stipe cells are the cells right at the bottom of the trichome where a lot of this biochemistry is happening to release, to fill the trichome, right? Right.

54:04Collin PalmerSo exactly. So that area, if it... If not all plants, even with long stalks, will break off, right? And I think Marcus knows this. We all know this. The stalk will come with it. So it's not just identifying the things that make it grow large and get there and have it appear there. It's also going the step to understanding, do the heads break off or does the whole cuticle break off with it and why?

54:32Collin PalmerAnd I think that's where she's kind of honing in on. And I thought... I just thought it was super interesting because these are things I think about a lot. These are the macro thoughts in my brain that she's exploiting and doing research on, which I think is extremely cool because I don't know enough. I went over here and I was like, look, I don't know what you're doing because this is just so above me.

54:57Collin PalmerI'll be real with you. But these are things I think about a lot and I just don't understand it, but I just love that you do. And I think there's something here that you should be continuing to push on. And I told her, I was like, is there anything I can do to ever help you? Just please reach out because this is just so important, you know?

55:20BubblemanWe got to make sure though, and this is very important as well, the same way we kind of didn't during Prohibition when it was really all about like how much can I get and how fast can I get it? So what amount of biomass can I grow and in what amount of time, shorter the better, can I grow it in? And so whenever we're doing anything for choosing that's based on the economics more than, because this is kind of the split we have right now.

55:50BubblemanYou have, you know, and I think it's why guys like Mace are doing, you know, Edgar from Masonic is doing so well because he's, you know, he's not doing the work that Ryan Lee talks about doing when he comes on and does the breeding project. But that work, it takes so long. And it's built for MSOs. It's built for large scale. Whereas this smaller scale thing seems to allow flavors and profiles that maybe wouldn't exist if we only Thank you so much for joining us today.

56:48BubblemanI was just going to mention something that Tony Negg is saying in the chat.

56:57SpeakerAnd what he says is that stuff that washes well tends to have terpenes that are more solid at room temp. I've never heard that before. So I don't exactly know if that's true.

57:09Collin PalmerI don't know about that, but because, you know, again, we're talking about things that are volatile. Yes. And these are aromatics, things that are not solids, right? Yeah.

57:20BubblemanBut they definitely have different fluidities. Sesquiterpenes and monoterpenes, there are different levels of volatility. Well, there are different levels of fluidity in each of those compounds.

57:32SpeakerSo think of it like this, that those terpene solutions are saturated with THCA, right? THCA is the solid, and that is what changes the viscosity of the oil itself that's inside the trichome, right? And so the larger amount of THCA, the more syrupy it's going to be, the little bit less light it's going to be, right? Because When those terpenes are spending a lot of energy dissolving THCA, it is going to change the viscosity.

57:58BubblemanWell, and the different ones dissolve at different rates, right?

58:02SpeakerTony might have a point, but I think what he's referring to is the overall macro behavior of the oil as opposed to specifically- Well, Tony works with a good friend of mine, Anthony, and I had Anthony.

58:15BubblemanAnthony on years ago. Anthony was one of the first people to crystallize CBD and make it look like Superman crystals, like not little baby ones, like giant fucking quartz clear crystals. If you guys remember me posting those pictures back in the day and he he crushed the Colorado market with that CBD for a very long time. And I think they're still doing it to a degree or whatnot.

58:39BubblemanBut yeah, so Tony's legit for sure.

58:42SpeakerCheck this out. This is a CBD crystal here. It's obviously turned color. You can see it's a little dark and everything. But it's a single crystal. Look how big that is. I keep it just on my trophy cases.

58:57BubblemanI guess you can't get it out.

58:59SpeakerI can't get it out, right?

59:01Collin PalmerGotta break the glass, baby.

59:02SpeakerGotta break the glass, and I ain't doing that, so it becomes a Christmas ornament on my shelf.

59:07Collin PalmerWell, one thing I wanted to say is, you know, look, evolution is cruel, and you know, the way that things survive is pretty cruel. So I think, yeah, I think gene editing is, you're gonna get a bunch of weird things that happen. I think that's the truth of it. But, um... You know, I also think that you could take, in my mind, I just thought about like taking some of my stuff and furthering it.

59:30Collin PalmerI was like, damn, could we get the 13% with these like heady turps? You know, seriously, I was like thinking of that in my head. I was like, oh man, like, well, what if we took Lemon G? And she did something with that. Like all my favorite things that we can't really get yield from, maybe there's a, maybe there's a chance. I was like, in my head, at least, you know, there's a lot to dispel here.

59:54Collin PalmerAnd I think that there's a lot to learn. But it's exciting for I think, in general, but I do think, you know, as I mentioned, when I asked her, you know, I do think that selection is kind of the way still, you know, as excited as I am about this, I think that you still need to do the work.

1:00:13SpeakerYeah, it's just so cool to map that out versus like what, what genes could be responsible for those characteristics. And obviously, whenever you're growing, I mean, anything, you know, we've always heard about plant growth regulators, but there's just such a wider, uh, Thank you for joining us today.

1:00:52SpeakerJust by again, taking, knowing that pathway and knowing that, you know, what's responsible for that at the protein level, because so the central paradigm of biology is that genetic information codes, protein synthesis, and it's the proteins within the plants, which are the enzymes. And basically the machinery that makes cannabinoids, right? All those synthases that we talk about, those are all proteins, right? Those are all regulated by genetic mechanisms.

1:01:20SpeakerSo if we make the connection between the genes and the form and the function in the plant, we can really look to optimize for all kinds of properties, look to see what upregulates certain genes, look to see what downregulates other genes. That's just the wonder of biology, right?

1:01:38Collin PalmerYeah, no, it's super cool. I think that's honestly, you know, for the audience out there, why I get excited about this. I think it's really just what Dr. Mark said. It's the proteins and understanding the pathways that you could either knock out or keep or I mean, imagine getting so close to that perfect varietal and then being like, oh, I'm just going to edit a little bit here.

1:01:59Collin PalmerIt's like being in the studio for me and being like, you know, this loop could be better. Let's let's cut the tail end just like a little bit. And then it's just even tighter and even doper. So, you know, it even sounds better, you know. So it's like it's that sounds cool to me, but more to come. I'd love to see them kind of put this into practice.

1:02:17Collin PalmerI'd love to try some of the work and see what's up. You know, exciting stuff. I mean, I also thought that the room that, you know, I was honestly, Dr. Mark, I was slipping into the room that you guys were in the whole time.

1:02:29SpeakerLike, I wanted to go back and forth. I saw you.

1:02:31Collin PalmerYeah, I just because I wanted to learn about the delivery and like because, you know, from a product dev point of view, I'm interested in understanding Like, what is Bonnie thinking about? And I thought some of the stuff was pretty interesting about CBG. I thought that was really fascinating.

1:02:45SpeakerWell, one of the really interesting talks, and hey, ATN, how are you? We thought about you. In fact, your name came up several times when I was speaking with the folks who did represent vets there. And the Weed Maps guy was there. He was unannounced, but he was on the veterans panel. And man, he just had a ton of... Really good stuff to say. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was a vet who spoke on vet's behalf and talked about, you know, he's one of the founders of Weedmap, so I'm sure you might know who he is, ATN.

1:03:19SpeakerBut one of the more fascinating talks that I attended, in fact, I had the pleasure of hosting this session and introducing her, was Beth Wiese from, Dr. Beth Wiese from the Sidewalk Project, which is down in Los Angeles. And what they look to do is they look to serve the marginalized communities in Los Angeles, sex workers, LGBTQ, trans people, kind of like the lower end of society.

1:03:49SpeakerThey look to basically treat homeless people and people who are really in need of cannabinoids, especially with addicts. And one of the interesting things that she's developed is they have an app Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:04:27SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

1:04:57SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:05:17Speakerbrought me to tears because to know that again she's serving the the marginalized community of los angeles and she was saying during the altadena fire that their place was actually Kind of like a place where people could come and get food and get showered. They had lots of people donating stuff. All the local dispensaries in the area donated. I think they couldn't donate THC containing products, but had a lot of CBD products.

1:05:47SpeakerSo she had vape pens and she had... Other things that were donated, but I said to her, I was like, oh my gosh, this is such an important thing what you're doing here because no one is serving that marginalized community in this space like the way she is. And we need to take this from the sidewalks of Los Angeles and bring it to every street in the country because this is just so important work what she's doing.

1:06:11SpeakerAnd Marcus, I want to invite her on to a future Hash Church where maybe we talk about We talk about what's being done in the cannabis industry to use things that we already know can take people away from opiates. And maybe cannabis is not a replacement for opiates, but it's certainly part of the journey that I think a lot of people can make.

1:06:34BubblemanWell, it's a tough it's a tough one because the problem is and I live in a city where this is a massive problem as big of a problem as anywhere else in the world is here in Vancouver. Certainly not a flex or a brag. But the problem is, is what people think it is and what it is are two different things. So what they think it is, is the people on the street who are terminally ill All four of those sort of aces they're holding in their hands.

1:07:10BubblemanAnd so, but that's not what it is. What it also is, is it's the mom who got rear ended and then went to the doctor and got prescribed these painkillers and took these painkillers until. She wasn't going to get any more and but by then now she's addicted to them so now she's looking to find you know these and so we get all these stories of just random people to me when i was growing up like overdoses were almost exclusively people on the street and now in vancouver it's just regular people like it is not just people who are suffering on the street it is people everyday people so the problem is Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:08:19Collin PalmerYou know, in the United States, specifically speaking, but it's a shame, man, because you're right. And it's about understanding how patient access to a certain type of monomolecular substance leads to a whole world of unknown, you know, and addiction. You know, it's pretty fucked up.

1:08:41SpeakerBut it was interesting because when you talk to her and you hear her story, she was an addict herself, you know? And for someone like that to go through addiction and come out on the other side, she got her PhD and did a postdoctoral study at UCLA. I mean, she's super, super intelligent and very articulate. And when you hear her story and what she's doing, I just think that, yeah, again, there should be more people like Dr. Wiese in the world.

1:09:13SpeakerAnd I think things would be things would be a lot better. And addicts, you're right. It doesn't know zip code. It doesn't know bank account. You know, when you get hooked on those farmies, it can take you down a death spiral.

1:09:30BubblemanOh, it does take people down a death spiral. It's really quite a bummer when you think about it. You know, it's just a deeply sad. I just figure it's just one more extremely powerful path to possession, you know, where you're just in this demonic intelligence. Convincing you to that this is a good thing. I have been very, very blessed due to how sensitive I am to things, all things.

1:09:58BubblemanIt keeps me from having what I would call an addictive personality. Sugar by far is the biggest addiction I've ever had in my life, which is certainly not a light one. But it is the only one that I've been like, wow, I'm really eating a lot of this stuff. And I've quit it, cold turkey before for like years, just like I'm not going to do that anymore.

1:10:17BubblemanBut I was never addicted to tobacco. I never got addicted to pharma. I never got addicted to coke or meth or any of those addictive drugs. Most of the alcohol, alcohol never, like I just hated it from day one, which I saw tons of people that I knew get addicted to that drug. Which was very unique because society doesn't see alcohol addiction as alcohol addiction, or at least it didn't 35 years ago when I first started getting exposed to it.

1:10:44BubblemanIt was different. Boys, I got to jump. I love you all. Jump. I'm jumping. I'm going to go into the town. Come on, you got to jump. There you go.

1:10:57Collin PalmerI jumped. I'm jumping out of here.

1:10:59BubblemanThis guy's going out to pick up the toys. I know it.

1:11:04Collin PalmerOh, dude, I'm bringing my lens, dude. I'm going out to shoot the debaucherous aspects of what this place is. I can't wait.

1:11:11BubblemanAll right.

1:11:11Collin PalmerI'm just going to 100. I'm grabbing my 100 bell. I'm just going to be a sneaky, sneaky man out there and just shoot like crazy.

1:11:18BubblemanYou're going to hear a lot of, well, I won't say it, actually.

1:11:21Collin PalmerI'm going to hear all kinds of stuff, dude. Yo, some of these alleyways are wild, dude. I love going in there and just like,

1:11:29BubblemanDude, the strangest thing I heard walking by an alleyway on Khao San Road in Bangkok was this like faint voice from so far away. And it was like, why are you fuck me and forget me, mister? I was like, what? I was like, I did not know that person.

1:11:49Collin PalmerEveryone out there laughing about that, that's real. That's why I'm going out to be an observer and just bring my camera. That's all I do.

1:11:58BubblemanFull observer.

1:12:00Collin PalmerThe thing that you see is kind of like New York. I feel like that feeling. Yeah, it's very busy. Just like busy and like you never know what's going to happen when you take a left turn somewhere, right? And I love that.

1:12:15BubblemanIt's a beautiful country. They're beautiful people. They have amazing food. It's quite a culture that goes back a very, very long time. I can't imagine being there with cannabis being legal because when I was there, cannabis was very illegal. So I had to be very, very careful.

1:12:31Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, it's a trip, but it's, you know, it's weird because they're like, it's not, it's illegal. But then I go into the shop and I buy weed and it's like, well, how's it, how illegal is this? You know what I mean?

1:12:41SpeakerSo.

1:12:46SpeakerSo, yeah. But anyway. Colin, happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day to you.

1:12:52BubblemanHappy Father's Day.

1:12:53SpeakerAnd I know, you know, you recently lost your dad. So here's to Colin's dad. Thank you, man. Here's to all of us who still have dads who are here. Call your dad today if you can.

1:13:05Collin PalmerAnd big ups to Marcus's father too, man. You know, like.

1:13:09Speaker20 years.

1:13:09Collin PalmerYou know.

1:13:11SpeakerYeah. So you guys are both fathers.

1:13:13Collin PalmerI'm going out. I'll post some pictures that I shoot, boys. It's legendary over here. I'm having a lot of fun. So love you guys. Peace, everybody. Be safe out there.

1:13:28BubblemanPeace. Thanks, Colin. Enjoy Thailand. Love y'all. Have fun. Go drink some cobra blood.

1:13:37SpeakerSo one more thing, just to wrap this whole review of the CanMed thing, Tony Nag in the chat asked about alcohol consumption because we were talking about addiction. And certainly alcohol is probably the most potent of all things that people can get addicted to. And so Jennifer Antonito, Dr. Jennifer Antonito gave a really interesting talk about, you know, this rise in cannabis beverages and how basically maybe cannabis beverages, cannabinoid based beverages can be replacement for alcohol, you know, because again, people like to put things in their mouth and they like to hold a can and they like to work and they like to drink.

1:14:20SpeakerCould You know, this rise in beverages that we see in the cannabis marketplace be essentially replacement for alcohol. And I think what a wonderful study to be doing, right?

1:14:33Etienne FontanAbsolutely.

1:14:34SpeakerHello, ATN.

1:14:38Etienne FontanHello. I'm reading a fascinating article on cannabis and oncology nursing, reducing polypharmacy and managing symptoms. That just came out because cannabis nursing is its own specialty now. So to see that people are, you know, We're pushing the boundaries of what is possible. You need nurses and doctors who are going to be brave because it's been up to us patients, right, to come forward and do anything. Now that it is a specialty in nursing, now they get to ask questions and, you know, they're looking at seriously, you know, pain management and they're finding, you know, cannabis does.

1:15:25Etienne FontanAnd so, Thank you for joining us.

1:15:50Etienne FontanSo, you know, there's a lot of medication that just came out that is, you know, cannabis based. That is for specifically for lower back that comes out of Germany. So one of the things my group is working on is we were kind of given a breadcrumb by a friend of ours at the UN who referenced us to a particular

1:16:16Etienne FontanAnd we saw that there's no cannabis on there.

1:16:42Etienne FontanExcel B or whatever it's called. There are medications out there around the world, including, you know, natural medications of the flowers. So we're going to be working with Dr. Russo and other, Dr. Ethan Russo and others to, we have looked at the methodology to put things on the essentials medicine list for the world. So we're going to look at putting cannabis medicines there. Awesome. We're tired of the stupidness happening in our own country.

1:17:15Etienne FontanThat's why, again, we're working above the United States going to the world. And this is another way. If we get certain medicines put on that essentials list, the ripples will last forever. And, you know, needless to say, they'll go out for decades because it'll be, you know, availability of some of these medicines and natural medicines available. So. Again, just another way to chip at the system and use our voices and actions laid out from how this happened by us continually going to the UN and engaging some of these actors and actresses at the higher levels and they were seeing what we're doing and they led us to this breadcrumb.

1:18:01Etienne FontanTrail, you know what I'm saying? So this again, by just being there, talking to people, actively engaging, you know, people will point you, hey, there's a trail over there. You might explore. It could take you someplace pretty fucking interesting. So we're like, oh, you know, that's Veterans Action Council. Action's the middle name. So we're putting action to our words still. And yeah, big things happened this week in cannabis, right?

1:18:27Etienne FontanWell, at least in the United States, there was some Major ripples, one at the DEA level and one at the Supreme Court level, which of course, very interesting. But the DEA one of course is happening this week. What the fuck's happening, ATN? Well, the DEA is finally doing its rescheduling hearing. What's gonna happen is it's gonna get derailed in the 11th hour and 59th minute because Kevin Sabet and Project Sam and their cronies went to court and found a loophole.

1:19:03Etienne FontanOh shit, they found the loophole. And the loophole happens to be that, of course, this current administration fucked up And how did they fuck up this time? Well, they did it by executive order. And because they did this by executive order, they didn't follow protocol. And the court is going to basically say, hey! Stop. You didn't follow protocol. So everyone acts surprised when this actually happens this week.

1:19:36Etienne FontanOh, no. Oh, it's stopping all over again, which is 18.

1:19:42SpeakerI saw the published list of contributors into the hearing and they're all prohibitionists. They're all on the side. Exactly. Right. So this is basically shooting themselves in the foot because now they're not going to be able to parade and grandstand their lives in the government record, right?

1:20:00Etienne FontanWell, they're going to try it again. I mean, because, well, and that's how it initially was and how I look at it is, you know, it's one last speech before their collective execution. They're all been given the chance because we have applied and we're expecting to see our rejection letters probably in the mail and will arrive tomorrow. Each one of us got a rejection and it's different sizes depending on what our situation was.

1:20:27Etienne FontanHowever, they let all the prohibitionists go. And so when I saw that, we laughed automatically because The DEA is going to, the DEA judge, the administrative law judge, who we just got his name yesterday, is actually going to be defending Schedule 3. And so all these people are going to get up and yell and throw a temper tantrum. Schedule 1, Schedule 1, Schedule 2, we're going to be hurt by Schedule 3.

1:20:53Etienne FontanAnd he's going to go, okay, everybody leave. Schedule 3, thank you very much. Have a great day. You know, sure, they get up and get to have their last swing at us before they miss and fall collectively out of the door. And it's comically sad, but at the same time, it's ironic that, of course, that they're going to be side railed again. So basically what's going to happen is the process is going to go back to exactly what happened when Biden made the announcement.

1:21:24Etienne FontanWe have to go through that complete and administrative process where the DEA is going to have to do the same thing again. Put out an invitation. We're all going to send in our invitations. They're going to reject them and they're going to bring all the prohibitionists back in to have their final speech because again, HHS, FDA has already decided. It's Schedule 3. Regardless, even with the situation, it will immediately be taken back for a minute and it will go back to Schedule 1 until the actual hearings go down and there will be all the reflexive and the reactionary, oh noes, but the process is going to happen.

1:22:04Etienne FontanIt's just, again, if you all remember, said this back in 2023, it's going to take about a four-year process for this shit to happen. So again, we're already into the next administration.

1:22:16SpeakerOkay, so take your time, people. In Tom Angel's story yesterday in Marijuana Moment, he said something very interesting, and I'll read this. It says, under a separate order, the acting attorney general signed the upcoming hearing will consider a more comprehensively moving marijuana to Schedule 3 and ultimately delisting or descheduling. So is there a... Again, so like we have to kind of just go with the flow here because ultimately there is a momentum that's moving towards what we all want, which is de-scheduling.

1:22:59Etienne FontanAnd that's where we are, where our argument is. We're arguing for schedule five at the- Schedule five. Schedule five at the minimum and then deschedule. That's what we have to argue because there's no deschedule in the argument currently. So you have to follow the protocols, right? I have been doing over-the-counter cannabis sales for 27 years now. Okay, so I know and I've proven it to be safe and efficacious.

1:23:25Etienne FontanThe wheels of society haven't fallen off. It hasn't gone crazy. So... That's our argument in that sense. However, you know, the government will decide, and in the end, it will immediately move to Schedule 3. Now, once it moves to Schedule 3, the line in the sand has moved, and we can then have that further discussion of now five, because then all the prohibition and execution Schedule three only.

1:23:50Etienne FontanYou can't go past. You can't go four. You can't go five. So the argument is going to change. And this is, again, strictly in the United States. But what happens? The United States has ripples worldwide. So stay tuned. Due to the situation at the Supreme Court. We saw already a rewording of and the removing of medical cannabis from the form for filling out for Second Amendment for purchasing of a firearm in the United States, whereas this Supreme Court ruling has forced an outright language change, which will have to come forward.

1:24:26Etienne FontanSo it's not just medical. It could be adult or recreational use as well. The Supreme Court said you have the right as a American citizen if you use cannabis to have a Second Amendment. That is what they said. And they didn't say it lightly. They said it very loudly. Nine to zero. That's a perfect shot grouping.

1:24:48SpeakerBut but just to clarify, there's no differentiation between medical use and and recreational or adult use from the Supreme Court's viewpoint.

1:24:59Etienne FontanNo. So therefore, the form will have to change to reflect that, in my opinion, whether it does so or not, whether it has to go through the 90 or 100 day comment period. I don't think so, but it potentially will because that's how it goes with everything because that's what's happening currently. We're currently in the midst of an actual verbiage change by the removal of medical marijuana.

1:25:25Etienne FontanOkay, so that was already in the 90 to 100 day comment. Thank you for watching.

1:25:50Etienne FontanThe law has changed and everybody's asking that question and every gun dealer is asking that question right now too because that has been a major stickler for years. So I don't have the complete answer, but all signs point to, think of me as the magic eight ball, all signs point to.

1:26:11BubblemanWell, you heard the prophecy here. We'll see when will we find out this, when's the 11th hour and 45th minute gonna happen?

1:26:19Etienne FontanWell, the hearing's on the 26th next week. Okay, five days. So the other court case is going to be forced to flex, right? They're going to have to say, oh, that has to stop because we uncovered this problem. And then Sam and Kevin Sabet are going to go do their little victory lap like they actually did something, which they unfortunately have derailed the process, and they're going to be able to show that they were able to do so.

1:26:46Etienne FontanSo... Just prepare yourselves for that, ladies and gentlemen. And again, act surprised as usual.

1:26:53SpeakerBut I think manufacturers and license holders are banking, literally banking, on the 280E relief that Schedule 3 is supposed to deliver. Because, you know, these companies are, again... Really just some of them anyway are struggling to get to profitability and that 280e tax relief where they could start not writing off just cost of goods sold but you know all of business related expenses can really be a huge boon for them.

1:27:29BubblemanWell, it makes no sense to not be able to deduct. That's just like mean and hateful. It's just like, oh, we're just going to we're just going to. I had to deal with it. We'll make up a complete and total rule for this group of people, which is I'll be honest, it's kind of what Canada did instead of like lowering the drug schedule of cannabis. We just created an entirely separate federal framework and wrote the Cannabis Act.

1:27:58BubblemanAnd that's how we went about getting cannabis federally legalized. We didn't like low because it was like we were also locked into this fucking Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:28:34Etienne FontanWay too long. And that's when all the people we've talked to or constitutionalists feel that there's what would happen administratively beforehand. So that's why we never went there. But of course, that was five years ago. They said it would take 12 years and two constitutional lawyers and another six lawyers behind them and about, you know, a couple of million dollars at that time. Right. That's what it takes.

1:28:59Etienne FontanThat's only at 250 an hour. Right, right, right, right. Well, no, no. 225. They gave us the bro deal. Bro deal. You know.

1:29:09BubblemanYeah.

1:29:11Etienne FontanSo, you know, lawyers are your biggest expense. And these that 288 thing. I mean, I spent seven years fighting my my 288 case and I ended up winning. But I had to do that by, you know, settling and going through offering compromise and All kinds of things you don't want to have to learn about, ladies and gentlemen. And I spent millions on lawyers again, you know, because that's what it costs to fight the system.

1:29:38Etienne FontanEverybody says, fight, fight, fight. It costs money to fight. And every single one. And like I said, 22 of 26 years fighting legal fights. So your lawyers are always and have always been my biggest expense.

1:29:53BubblemanWell, we're the only group, too, that basically like took away our own funding. It's like we need to get cannabis legal. It's like, but that's how we fund everything.

1:30:03Etienne FontanOnce it's legal, we won't be able to make this will be fine. They never thought they'd tax us to death. Yeah. You know, 48% later, they just added a 24% tax to the Michigan 24% just on top of all the ruined a perfectly happy, smooth system, happily sabotaged it willfully, literally through the monkey wrench right in, which makes no sense to any of us.

1:30:27SpeakerNo sense. It's a bummer. It, it doesn't make any sense at all. And it discourages people from, from going to the dispensary because they know that they're getting fleeced on tack. It just, I don't get it. And it cuts into their, the margins of those businesses. And yeah, you know, I had it as it is.

1:30:47Etienne FontanYou know, when you pay all your benefits, you pay all the things, all the taxes that you legally have to pay and your margins are thin as it is. And then you tax them a few four percents. And then next thing you know, you're actively in the negative.

1:31:03SpeakerYou're out of business. You're out of business. You're out of business.

1:31:07Etienne FontanAnd watch the same thing. It's happened in California. And watch what's going to happen in Michigan because there were mom and pop stores that were able to really fine thread this situation. And that type of taxation automatically kicks them right the fuck out. And all the years and hard work that they've put in are just sabotaged by stupidity and greed.

1:31:28SpeakerSo ATN, help me, help me belay this fear to rest that somehow like, and I, you know, it's interesting if Colin would still be on, you know, Collins is again associated with one of those DEA licenses. Are those DEA licenses going to be basically a monopolistic kind of entry into basically control the market, control pricing, control, you know, what people are able to buy and what people are able to consume?

1:31:58Etienne FontanI've not dealt in, there's currently like 10 that are in that system. And of course that just grew exponentially. What we do know is once you do enter the system, you are then reliant only upon those suppliers and distributors within the system. You're not allowed to buy outside the system because you're now in the system. What that means is you're gonna have to, every single employee, you're gonna have to put in a background check on And actually present to the DEA every single employee you have's actual criminal record.

1:32:33Etienne FontanThat's just, this is just from the grow through the dispensary. Every employee you have. Then you're audited by the IRS. Oh yeah, they didn't tell you that one. People are now being audited by the IRS because guess what you just admitted to on a form? To admitting to a felony, right? Because you've been doing schedule one, okay? Is that every single person that's applied for the application?

1:32:59Etienne FontanThis is just going forward and all the questions that come with that.

1:33:03BubblemanThe only thing I will say to be the devil's advocate is we had the exact same people who are you over here, the longtime 35-year full-blown activists and the hardcore-est ones Would never go legal. They fought legal tooth and nail and legal steamrolled over all of them. And everything they said they were wrong about, it just pummeled them. Chris Bennett, listen to some of the stuff he said.

1:33:31BubblemanIt's like, dude, we all have licenses. We all have plants on our deck. We can all buy at thousands of stores. We can ship. Like literally Canada's medical is kind of a dream. Medical dash recreational. It's not... It's not perfect. We still have like we have activism that's going on that's still fighting for things. But I will say anywhere else I go in the world, when I come back here, I'm like, holy fuck, do we have a good dude?

1:33:58BubblemanLike, we have it good.

1:34:00Etienne FontanWe want to see what they're going to do. There's too many unanswered questions, exactly just as I stated. If I can no longer buy from my local supply and if all of my people are expected and are used to my local supply, I have to now get them used to a whole new supply and supply chain as well as gain the trust and the trust of products.

1:34:21Etienne FontanWell, that's done locally by having the vendor or the manufacturer come out and educate the person. Well, if I'm dealing with interstate commerce because my supplier is out of fucking Oklahoma, Now I have to educate them. I have to rely on the shipping. Now I have to trust that shipping is going to make it now because on top of that, I now have and people have already been inspected by the DEA.

1:34:46Etienne FontanOnce you've applied, they can come and check out your place and people have and they're saying it's cool. So again, I want to state for the caveat, we all want to be legal. Thank you for watching.

1:35:14Etienne FontanYou know, once we get those assurances and we can say, see, it's, oh, it's a paved road. It's solid on that mountain on a solid piece. Then we'll decide to roll there. But until we get those assurances and the DA is not giving us those assurances. And, you know, my lawyer started the International Cannabis Bar Association. So she's kind of knows what the fuck's going on. And even they're all left with more questions than answers and have asked for more clarification.

1:35:44Etienne FontanI have not gotten them. So once we get them, we'll evaluate those and move forward or decide where to go. But currently as it stands, that road is too destructive to take this little four-wheel drive on. It's not even off-roadable.

1:36:03BubblemanThe other thing I will mention is that when things did go legal here and then people broke the law within the legal system, People from the black market couldn't believe how relaxed the law was because they all went in with this same prohibition mentality that it was like, oh, if you get caught, they'll take your life. Everyone was like, you got to protect your license. You got to protect your license.

1:36:27BubblemanWell, they gave it a pretty onerous. And then companies just started growing full rooms that were non-licensed rooms next to facilities that were fully licensed. I think it was fucking CanTrust, Google CanTrust Canada, and find out about the unregistered, unlicensed, giant thousand square foot room they grew like multiple crops in. They got like a slap on the wrist. I don't think they even paid a fine in the end.

1:36:54BubblemanIf they did, it was like laughable. And so I started realizing, oh my God, like my, the same way when a QA comes to the Canadian regulatory system from the pharma industry and they do all this shit, they don't need to. So too do a lot of the people who came from cannabis prohibition from the gray or black market. And then got involved in this market. I watched them follow the rules so stringently while big companies were just like flying loose and goosey.

1:37:24BubblemanAnd I was like, how is this possible? Well, it's because your perception on the law has to change when you come from, which I can imagine from the DEA's perspective is very hard. You know, ours was Health Canada. Well, it's still the RCMP. They were still the federal police. They were still the ones kicking our doors in, putting my buddy Ron in prison for 11 years. You know, doing all this sort of heinous shit, smaller version of what you guys got going on down there.

1:37:50BubblemanBut then when it became legal, first it was licensing and people were like, whatever you do, don't get the license. Do not apply. Do not tell Health Canada. And it was the exact same thing. It was if you tell Health Canada where you live and that you grow cannabis, you will get audited by the CRA and guaranteed some people did. But man, 99% What is this CRA?

1:38:13BubblemanCanadian Revenue Agency. They're our IRS.

1:38:15SpeakerSo Marcus, let me ask a quick question.

1:38:18BubblemanAnd they're also our customs.

1:38:20SpeakerIt's CRA.

1:38:21BubblemanIt's Canada Customs and CRA. They're both like one entity.

1:38:25SpeakerOkay. Is there like a 280E provision in the Canadian Revenue Code? Is there the equivalent of 280E here in the States in our IRS system? Is there also that in Canada?

1:38:41BubblemanLet me find out real quick. I doubt it because it's federally legal. We're allowed to write everything off.

1:38:47Etienne FontanRight. Right. And we will be able to, too, again, once all of these things kind of flesh themselves out.

1:38:55SpeakerWe deduct normal business expenses. Again, I'm just throwing some spaghetti at the wall here. Could that be the 280E thing, which, again, could be people who have medical sales and it's a medical program, be a way to basically snuff out The IRS does not flex 280E to to rid businesses.

1:39:29Etienne FontanThey will work with you on a payment scale. They want your money. They don't want your closure. They are a huge tick and they want blood. Money is their blood. They made $9 billion last year, 4.9 with a B, billion dollars off a 280E. That's a lot of blood sucking that is going on and they do not want to lose it. And we are, again, the lowest hanging fruit.

1:39:54Etienne FontanWe went from, again, there were just seven of us To now over 10,000 of us. That's a lot of fucking blood. That's a lot of low-hanging fruit. You see what I'm saying?

1:40:07SpeakerSo they just want the money. The enhanced profitability that 280E relief provides to larger manufacturers be an unfair advantage to make a non-level... So this isn't going to end well.

1:40:25Etienne FontanIt is an unfair system because those MSOs can get away with things and those deductions are a lot larger and can lower the thing. I started off at, you know, around, you know, 5 million. You know, and had to whittle that down to what it finally settled with them on. And that was just for one year. That's just one year of auditing. And all they did was look at my, you know, my medicine and then just tax me directly off of that.

1:40:52Etienne FontanSo it's not hard for them to figure and calculate. And I mean, I've been audited. Audits are not painful if you do your paperwork. And I've been doing my paperwork from the beginning. So Of course, it's just uncomfortable to have an, you know, IRS agents, you know, going through your paperwork. It is a little unnerving just because, you know, it's, you're being tested and being in a test always is nerve wracking going back to grade school, high school, college, et cetera.

1:41:22Etienne FontanSo, you know, once you pass the test and you realize, okay, this is a situation, it's not that scary. So I'm not afraid of the IRS auditing me. I'm not afraid. Thank you for joining us.

1:42:01Etienne FontanWe don't see a clear road to the other side of the bridge. When we do, we'll all take that road. But right now some are taking that chance and are going that way. And those that are strictly medical and have that route have. California just decided a few weeks ago To split the licenses into an M for medicine and an A license and to have a certain way to protect the owners, et cetera, through that when you apply for the DEA, it's just a medical license.

1:42:36Etienne FontanSo again, this is the state looking at ways and trying to figure out how to thread this needle as they're trying to figure out What's going on? Because even them and people that I know in Canada and others have reached out to the DEA for clarification and they're not getting answers. And I believe that's because the DEA realized they bit off more than they can chew in the timeframe that they thought they could do it.

1:43:02Etienne FontanAnd our inherent PTSD from years of fighting the DEA to now, all of a sudden now they're friendly and we have to trust them. You know, we just need a little more assurances to arrive there. We want to, again, arrive there. We all want to be legal. I've spent decades trying to get us legal and arrive here collectively. So to be at the end of the race and now be here, I just want some assurances that there will be a tape, you know, at the end of the race.

1:43:31BubblemanI hear you. I just don't think it's an assurance that you're going to get. I think that like I don't either, but we didn't get it either. We didn't get it either. But what we did get was legal cannabis on a federal level. So we were kind of like, It pissed off a lot of activists that they saw it happening a very specific way. And I've had good friends on the show.

1:43:54BubblemanDragonfly Earth Medicine are two of those people that don't want to be a part of the legal, federally legal system that's actively the cannabis scene. And to me, i pivoted with it because i didn't want to be left behind now what i didn't do which 90 of people did do when when medical license came in in canada and everyone was like don't get that license don't get that license it literally did nothing people got licenses and suddenly they were literally not only did they feel protected but really at the same time all that funding that had been given To the police, even the DEA funding, it disappeared.

1:44:30BubblemanIt was gone. There was no more funding. There was no more money to do that. So the police were obviously not actively, like I've had a license on my wall since 2014, I think that license is, so 12 years. And I've never had anyone come and check my plant count. I've never had anyone. Now I am in a unique situation in the sense that when I got said medical license, I was probably one of like, Two people that I knew that was not actively growing, drying and selling all of their flour under their medical license into the black market.

1:45:03BubblemanSo these were the very people, the very activists, the very people that wanted it to be legal a very certain way were, in my opinion, doing a great disservice to the system because it was like, look, do not use patients as a shield. Thank you for joining us today.

1:45:43BubblemanI'm glad I didn't do it. A lot of my friends did it. And I was like, hey, you know what? You got to do what you got to do. Looking back, it didn't work out great for patients in the end. The whole medical system, you know, everyone uses medical right up until recreational blows the doors open. And when rec doors blow open, it's very, very hard for medical to survive.

1:46:02BubblemanIt really is. Even with the exorbitant taxes that we also pay, because we have like a 10% tax or a $1, they thought it would be $1. You know, it's always the one that's the highest. So if it's not 10%, if 10% only equals 70 cents tax, then it's the $1 like per gram. Well, they thought we were going to sell flour for $3 or $4 a gram.

1:46:25BubblemanWell, now we sell it for like less than a dollar. So it becomes a massive tax. It's not perfect up here by any means, but I will say that no matter how it happens, if people stop getting arrested and stop getting in trouble, then I am here for it. And Sam's words always resonate in my mind. He's like, I don't care who profits from it. I just don't want people to get in trouble for it, and I want them to have access.

1:46:53BubblemanSo Until I have access of going and buying full melt, dry sift, static, bubble, whatever, jars of haze, static sift, until that day is here, I will say we still have work to do. In Canada, at least, obviously, as long as people are being executed, we'll always have work to do in regards to the work that Etienne and his team is doing. And there's lots of different countries that are at lots of different angles.

1:47:20BubblemanI would just say that for those of you that are behind Canada in your legalization, look to how it played out and talk to real people because sure, there was all sorts of fuckery and mistakes and big business fuckery that occurred, but on the lowest level, People can just go buy gummies and beverages and vape pens and joints and flour and hash and extracts and fucking everything you can imagine at a store.

1:47:46BubblemanAnd even me who lives in the middle of nowhere, practically, I am like 10 minutes away From a cannabis store where I could go and purchase all of those products. And I know some of you will be like, oh yeah, but is any of it even? Dude, I guarantee you I could go buy flour today that is 100% smokable, enjoyable, and lovely. And the same thing with rosin.

1:48:07BubblemanI could go buy live hash rosin right now, 10 minutes from my house, and it would be on par with something that's in my stash. To me... That is a massive, massive, massive success. And I hope that it plays out the same way. You know, one of the reasons. Well, you know what? Just just to give you a point.

1:48:28Etienne FontanYeah, I can go to a gas station right now and buy some toxic fucking bathtub gin fucking THCA shit that isn't regulated and could harm me and kill me. But that's going to stop come November, unfortunately, because there's no... And then when that stops... And it's going to stop seeds too.

1:48:48BubblemanOnly everything else in the gas station could harm you or kill you.

1:48:53SpeakerYeah, do you think it's really going to stop the shot of unleaded? Well, I'm talking about the soda, the candy bars. I wonder if it's going to stop because I don't know, man.

1:49:03Etienne FontanIt's not going to stop. It's going to stop it being legal, but it's not going to stop. I'm not going to stop that.

1:49:11SpeakerBut kind of like the point that Mojave shared, I still quote Mojave on this, is that unlike previous prohibitions, there hasn't been a $50 billion industry that they're trying to snuff out. So those people, those hemp folks have deep, deep pockets. And I don't think we should underestimate them changing this in the 11th hour. Yeah, what do you mean?

1:49:41Etienne FontanI don't get it. Time is running out. Time's running out, right, right. We're halfway into June. November is staring. And everybody who has, again, I'm your political guy because I watch everything. Everybody who has tried to lift that ball off the ground has had it swatted out of their hands. And McConnell ain't running with it. And he was their champion prior. Well, I think, isn't there a bill?

1:50:05SpeakerIsn't there a bill right now? Because there was someone at the conference. There's a bill every week and it keeps getting dropped.

1:50:13Etienne FontanThat's the, I'm being real, Mark. Every other week, somebody is trying to launch something. That's what I mean by every time somebody picks up the ball, it gets swatted out of their hands. Right. That's that's exactly what I'm meaning is that people are trying and they're usually they're all obscure or, you know, side senators or representatives who are trying to do this and they're trying to build a momentum and nobody is leaning to grab the momentum, which means there is a there is an effort behind the scenes for it not to happen.

1:50:47Etienne FontanOr something, it will happen in the 11th hour, 59th minute, and we'll see that as it happens. But right now, there is no staying of the execution.

1:50:57SpeakerYeah, so there was a very interesting discussion the other day around this whole one plant discussion. You know, methodology, you know, that try to bring hemp, the hemp side together with with closing that farm bill.

1:51:12Etienne FontanThat farm bill has to come out every five years the same way with the directive of 1315. It has to be modified. And that modification is a year past. So that's what this whole thing is about.

1:51:25SpeakerRight. So I guess all that collateral damage that, you know, would result in driving things to the black market or underground. So like things that are available today that qualify as full spectrum products, I mean, even like tinctures, which are below the 0.3 threshold, but they won't Thank you for joining us.

1:52:10SpeakerLess than a percent. So it's like, yeah, it's like one of those things where it's like, I don't know. It becomes, yeah, like, so this notion that everything comes from the same plant, right? We all know it's cannabis, whether it's a type three cannabis, which has low CBD, I'm sorry, low THC or type one cannabis. It's all the same thing. I think that one of the things that's kind of Driving the other side is the industrial applications like the people who want to make laminated wood beams out of hemp fiber or hempcrete, you know, for more quote unquote industrial applications where you're not putting stuff into your body, right?

1:52:57SpeakerSo hemp, well, I guess hemp seed oil and hemp seed would be would be food. But, you know, again, kind of separated from growing For cannabinoid content. And I think that's again where when we go back to the 2018 Farm Bill, I think Congress, my own personal feeling, Congress was snookered on oil, soap, and not dope, right? And rope, I guess. You know, all the real industrial applications.

1:53:26SpeakerAnd that's, again, one thing that we have to take our hats off to Marcus and the folks up in Canada. They got it right, right? They knew what hemp was as opposed to drug variety cannabinoids or cannabis, which could either be type 1, type 2, type 3 cannabis. Regardless of cannabinoid content, it's a completely different plant. You grow it in a different way. You're optimizing for canopy space.

1:53:54SpeakerYou're not looking at planting those things right next to another like row crops would for like corn or any other grain production, right?

1:54:03BubblemanIt's true. Welcome, Caleb. Looking slick over there, buddy.

1:54:08SpeakerThanks. Good to be here with y'all. I love this conversation. Hey, Caleb.

1:54:13BubblemanAnd shout out to CNC Packaging in the room right now. I'm so stoked. I just got one of their grammars at my facility down in Southern Colorado. This thing, as far as I know, I think it's the only one that doesn't use heat. So I can put my rosin into this thing and it pumps out grams for me, like 8,000 to 10,000 a shift. Um, and it, uh, it does it with like forced air instead of like heat, which I fucking love.

1:54:44BubblemanI'm actually surprised. So we just started, we, we just got it. We're just gonna unbox it and I'll definitely let everyone know what I think about it. That's a game changer. It's a kind of a game changer, dude. I mean, right now people are, if you have a good employee, you're looking at 27 to 35 cents a gram cost to fill it. And this thing brings that down to like, like pennies.

1:55:07SpeakerHow does it actually work, Marcus? Does it pick up a little bit and automatically sense how much it weighed?

1:55:13BubblemanWell, it's based on volume. So it's no heat. So it has a fill capacity of down to 0.1 ml and upwards of 3.5 ml. So like 0.2, like 3.5 grams.

1:55:26SpeakerSo a milliliter is liquid, right? But it's no heat.

1:55:31Bubblemanright throughput so you're talking about dispensing liquid not not hat not solid right incorrect so rosin is in between a liquid and a solid and i'm talking about this rosin rosin it's not but i will say these guys put some pretty crazy in here that's pretty solid and the air is so forced that it can just punch out so like say uh one ml In liquid is also one gram in a solid.

1:56:02BubblemanSo they're the same weights.

1:56:03SpeakerThat would be a density of 1.0, just like water.

1:56:06BubblemanThat's right. So this accuracy is down to 0.02 on this thing. It's got a foot pedal for operation with a pneumatic cylinder, super high powered, sealed plunger system, and a vacuum lid system for extra thick concentrates. And it's literally like 10x on the speed of a person. It's a cool fucking unit. We'll make some videos. I'll come share it on Hash Church eventually.

1:56:31Etienne FontanAll it needs is a little pump of nitrogen and a fucking seal. And it'd be literally shelf stable for...

1:56:39BubblemanI think it might have the nitrogen thing. I could be wrong. He's in there right now. Does cold cure, butter, batter, VG, wax, et cetera. He's in the chat right now. Liquid and hash. They were doing like bubble hash, like Piatella they put in there because it's such a force. I know, dude, a lot of the other companies are using heat, which you would assume, but I'd rather not get it heated up if I don't have to.

1:57:04BubblemanYeah. Quote, Jesse Pinkman, that's science. He says, when you do 0.1s with the 1mm dispensing tip, it brings the fill tolerance down to 0.004ml.

1:57:18BubblemanFuck yeah. Masonic, what's going on, brother? Dude, I want to shout this fucking guy out too, man. He hooked us up recently with some genetics that I'm really excited to get going down in Colorado. We got his Starman, the OZK77 crossed with the Mango SB. We got the Pink Parm Mango. Dude, the Pink Parm Mango and the Barb Burst BX. So those four are coming to a Bubble Man brand near you in the near future.

1:57:58BubblemanThanks to, uh, thanks to Edgar and Masonic Seeds, man. Fucking guy didn't even, uh, I just hit him up. I was like, what's good? What's the washers? He's like, I got you. I'll send only the killers. So he sent, uh, You sent the killers at any rate. Caleb is the homie. Glad to see you kicking it with bubble man. Okay. We will be adding nitro backfill at some point.

1:58:22BubblemanOkay. So it's not in there yet, but it's coming. The nitro backfill. Very cool. Hey, it's a lot of time and energy when you're gramming up five or 6,000 grams of rosin. It's boring work. And it's like, to me, I'd rather have the, the people like doing something like better.

1:58:40SpeakerSomething that I asked how much one of those, one of those costs.

1:58:44BubblemanThat cost is around 27 Gs, 27, 28,000. Okay.

1:58:49SpeakerSo really if you- That's all in, that's with the pump and the everything?

1:58:53BubblemanYeah, that's the system. So if you went 27,000 and you say it was costing you 27 cents- All right, per gram for yourself, it would be 100,000 grams. So 100 kilos, right, or 220 pounds would be how much you need to run to get back the ROI on the machine. Now keep in mind when you have a piece of equipment like this not only are you running it for yourself to save yourself on grams you're offering it out to toll for people when you know if you're listen it's if you think if you're selling 10 000 grams a day then great use the machine to its max but it's highly doubtful that you will need this machine for more than a day Thank you so much for watching.

2:00:00BubblemanSo we'll see. I'm about to put this thing to the test. The next time I go to Colorado, I'll go down to the lab and they'll have already been using it for a while, but we're getting ready here really soon to use it. Tool processing costs between 50 cents to $1.20 depending on the market you were in. Wow, that's crazy. I was thinking like 25 cents, but 50 cents is now 50 kilos and $1.20 would be like,

2:00:29BubblemanI don't know. That would be like 20 or less than 20 kilos of product before you paid the ROI back on the machine. For filling and capping of jars, okay. Well, that's good. These are the things you got to do in business. You got to, you know, I remember I had some craft style guys who built an LP in Canada and there was a couple of them and they did great work.

2:00:55BubblemanThey were highly aware, but what they were afraid to do was hire people to do anything. And they were like, no, we have to do everything or it won't be, you know, it won't be us anymore. And I'm like, well, of course it'll be you. You just have to set the bar and then make sure people that you hire are at that bar. But trust me, like anything you know that you think can't be shared or taught to other people, like, of course it can.

2:01:16BubblemanYou just have to be willing. And I think that's a really good way to share that time and energy and sort of teach people. I taught some incredible people when I had Embark going. I had a couple of really great guys out of the whole group that were absolutely exceptional. There's always going to be people who shine, which is in my opinion why it's always a good idea I think it's important to have interns and try people out for a little while before you just hire people like and commit.

2:01:41BubblemanIt's a much better idea to get the interns, give them a week at a time, you know, run through cycles of four every month and handpick the ones that kind of stand out because the ones that stand out to me from a hash maker's perspective, and maybe this will be a gem, maybe it won't. Are people that, A, of course, I'm going to show you everything. And I'm going to want you to read my SOPs first.

2:02:02BubblemanAnd then before you go into my lab, I'm going to test you on my SOPs to see how well you read them. And then once we're in the lab, I'm going to probably allow you to do what you want to do within reason the first time. And I'll audit that and see what you listened to and what you didn't. And then after that, it'll be like direction for the next three or four batches.

2:02:22BubblemanAnd some people... are just so good at it that you're just like oh my god i want to hire a hundred of these people but unfortunately you only get one of those people out of about 10 or 20 uh people that you hire so definitely worth checking out i like people after a while that i don't have to tell what to do i like people that clean when they have nothing else to do because the hash lab is a very dirty place that is consistently requiring cleaning whether it's uh Getting down on your hands and knees and scrubbing the floor because people get lazy in the hash.

2:02:56BubblemanOnce the hash falls onto the floor and you step on it, it is a nightmare for real. Anyway, I don't know how I ended up on that. Oh yeah, we were talking about the CNC packaging unit. That's right. I'm super excited to play with this thing. I'm not going to lie. Like it's... Can I ask CNC a question? Of course, he's in the chat.

2:03:14SpeakerYeah, so this isn't specific for Ross and I mean, can we use this for... 100%. Sauce and diamonds for non-homogeneous extracts. You know, what we always used to like to see with good BHO product is, yeah, there's great to have solid in there with some diamonds, but a little bit of sauce. So how does it deal with like non-homogeneous mixtures?

2:03:39BubblemanI'm going to send them the link.

2:03:42SpeakerYeah. And Marcus, hey, I just heard from Israel. He's going to be joining us in a few minutes. Amazing. The fellow from Zentrala. So I'll put up the link in our chat.

2:03:52BubblemanYeah, so no diamonds, sorry, no diamonds. Okay, no diamonds. No non-homogenous products.

2:04:00SpeakerAh, okay. So if you, obviously, one of the things that Kind Bill was noted for was doing the whole whip thing, right? And so making kind of like a mousse or the sort of Piatella version of BHO.

2:04:13BubblemanSo I'm sure that would work. I would say yes, because it comes out looking like almost a moose. And the other thing, because it's forced air, the pressure of it seems to like naturally coat it in like terpenes on the outside of the, when it comes out, it just looks really nice. Like it's, there's something about it for sure. Yeah, the materials need to be a bit of a whip and must stay homogenous for the time in the machine.

2:04:43SpeakerYeah, so who's going to come on soon? He's just got a couple minutes. It's a fellow by the name of Israel Gasper, and I'll let him introduce himself when he comes on. But yeah, I think Bingo just put a thing in the chat about Zentrella. It's really fascinating stuff. Really, really cool.

2:05:01Etienne FontanYeah, I can't wait to hear him talk about it.

2:05:03SpeakerI can see he's stoked now. Absolutely. So back to the packaging, just for a question. So, you know, being able to inert with nitrogen is a really important thing. It's the reason why they put nitrogen back into bags of potato chips, right? Because the oil that potato chips are fried in will go rancid if it comes in contact with air. So yeah, it almost should be a standard protocol for whenever you're jarring anything.

2:05:32BubblemanYeah, I think that for preserving personally when it comes to cannabinoids and volatile organic compounds, it's cold supply chain all the way. Cold supply chain, cold supply chain, cold supply chain. And what I found myself in the middle of right now is this very unique tension of the preservation of live hash raws and full melt bubbles and full melt dry sifts.

2:06:05BubblemanAnd then on the other side, the curing of all of the different traditional hashes that I've been playing around with for the last couple of years. And they are so, so, so, so very different in the sense you have one that tends to be a very, very simple collection of volatile organic compounds in traditional hash. The majority of them are Thank you so much for joining us.

2:06:48BubblemanBecause of how just rank and it's also that peppery. It's that very well-known hashish peppery flavor. Whereas new age hashes, well, they have all of these super unique monoterpenes that we used to volatize out. We cure them out by leaving the flower out and allowing them to sort of dissipate. They're more caustic. They're a little more harsh on the throat. But when we preserve them, we get that full feeling that we expect from full melt bubble or live hash rosin.

2:07:18BubblemanWhen they start to cure out and they get that skin on the rosin, these are things that people are not really stoked on. Whereas when we get that skin on the traditional hash, this one's getting really thick now. This skin is amazing. Big. It's still very soft. You can like see how it just just cracked as I just pushed it a little bit. This is that eight month old neon sunshine traditional hash.

2:07:46BubblemanIt's got such an incredible smell to it. And I know when I cut this one open, I was waiting for a year. Oh, yeah. Put a little of that in your pipe at you. I was waiting to get to one year, maybe at the one year day, I believe it's in September. We could smoke some of this in a chillum and a whole variety of different ways.

2:08:03BubblemanSo very different things, these traditional hashes versus, you know, traditional hash, I like to leave at room temperature. I like it to age. And I like when I cut it open to see how well did the skin on the internal component, uh, How well did the skin on the outside preserve that nice gooey hash on the inside? Israel Gasparin entering the waiting room. Nice. Yes. Now, how would that hash do in the grammar?

2:08:35BubblemanThat hash, I don't know. It's pretty soft. I did see him spit out hash that looked about that hard, which blew my mind. I didn't even believe it. But we'd have to ask him in regards to that direct.

2:08:49SpeakerI'm excited that Israel can join us today. Hi, Israel. Can you hear us? Absolutely. Hello, Mark. Thank you so much for the unexpected but very nice invitation. Yes, well, introduce yourself, please, to this wonderful community of Hash Church. Absolutely. Hello, everyone. Israel Gasparin here. I am the founder and engineering scientist of a neurotech company. We basically do brain scans to objectively measure cannabis effects so we can more clearly and credibly show the effects that has on the consumer.

2:09:28SpeakerAnd in that way, help innovative brands showcase what they are designing for the market and Wow. An actual visual of how high you're getting.

2:09:46SpeakerExactly, exactly, Marcus. The EEG scans help us to understand how high you are getting, what type of high you are experiencing. Are you feeling more relaxed or energized? Is it inducing a positive mood effect? And if so, how much? Is it helping to reduce anxiety levels or is too strong or whatever that is making people feel more anxious? And in that way, we can measure multiple other mental states.

2:10:21SpeakerI have a quick presentation. Please.

2:10:24BubblemanBefore you start your presentation, though, I do want to ask you one question in regards to this. So are you guys, have you yet began to identify the types of highs or are you slowly aggregating that data as you run more people through the EEG and noticing, oh, this is a spot that keeps going, so we'll associate that with the anxiety, this one. Okay, so that's amazing.

2:10:47BubblemanWhen you nail that, You are going to change the face of cannabis competitions forever because we'll just hook up to the EEG and be like, all right, let's see who gets, let's see which one gets us the most.

2:11:01SpeakerShow us the data. Scientists need data. Israel, I hope you incorporate in your story the genesis of the company because I want to know how grateful we should all be to the government of Canada for funding your work.

2:11:19BubblemanFellow Canadians. See, I told you there's good shit going on here.

2:11:21SpeakerThank you, Canadians. We love Canadians. Go ahead, Israel, please. Can I make a quick presentation? Can I?

2:11:29BubblemanNo, only I can. No, I'm just joking. I let you. Okay.

2:11:35SpeakerOkay, perfect.

2:11:38BubblemanMan, I would have loved to have had this thing on my head when I first smoked Skunk Man Sam's hash because still to this day, I thought like, what is going on? How could something be so strong that you're worried about shitting your pants one second after smoking it? I wonder what that would do on the EEG.

2:11:58SpeakerThat'd be interesting.

2:12:00Etienne FontanEven better is when you put that then on him when you smoke your hash with him. Yes, of course.

2:12:09BubblemanOf course.

2:12:10Etienne FontanI would have loved to see what that would have come out with.

2:12:14BubblemanI see it's black, but it hasn't opened for me yet.

2:12:18Etienne FontanIt takes a second to propagate sometimes.

2:12:21BubblemanThat's a long second, though. Yeah. It should have worked. I said allow right away. So it should might have to stop and try again. Or you might have to go out of the room and come again. Sometimes people will restart their browser or something. So we'll get it going though. We are the ultimate at troubleshooting here on Hash Church.

2:12:48BubblemanWell, I cleaned the Quave Banger. I called it the Quave Banger today, Etienne. So I think I'm going to call it Quave from now on. It sounds French and fancy.

2:12:55SpeakerOh, I better quave of you. How about Quave? Oh, the Quave. Even worse.

2:13:01BubblemanYes, this is my Quave Banger, thanks to the Quave Bang Club.

2:13:06Etienne FontanPeople would call me Etienne, you know, because of the E on the end.

2:13:10BubblemanLike, oh God, stop. All right, Israel's back. Let's see what he's got. This is interesting. I really want to see this presentation. Ditto, man. Ditto. Welcome back, Israel.

2:13:25SpeakerThank you, guys.

2:13:26BubblemanSo you're in Toronto?

2:13:28SpeakerHamilton. Oh, Hamilton. Oh, he flew into Toronto. I'm sorry. Yes, he flew into Toronto, but he's from Hamilton. And boy, are his arms tired.

2:13:38BubblemanYeah, that's a big flight to be flapping your arms for that long. Yeah, it was a long trip. Now he's frozen.

2:13:46SpeakerWhat's going on?

2:13:47BubblemanYeah, it's frozen.

2:13:50SpeakerWhat's going on?

2:13:52BubblemanDon't worry. Did you restart your browser? You might have to come out, restart everything and come back in. We'll be here for you. We've got hours.

2:14:01Etienne FontanWe want to see. We want to see. Somebody put in the chat Rico Cuave.

2:14:07BubblemanOh, Rico Cuave. I'm going to smoke some Rico Cuave because I have full mouth on this wonderful Father's Day. I'm smashing out this this please wash me. I cannot tell you how good this tastes and smells. It is absurd. Tell me it doesn't make your water your mouth.

2:14:26Etienne FontanBut it was washed. So how I mean, it's a dichotomy in its name because it

2:14:32BubblemanIt was, it's, it's please wash me. And now it should be called, called thank you for washing me. Washed well.

2:14:40Etienne FontanYeah.

2:14:41BubblemanWashed right. Actually, I like well better. Oh, now we got two Israels. Perfect. Two is better than one. Yo, free Palestine. No, sorry.

2:14:56Etienne FontanThat's a different Israel. I know I'm being silly.

2:15:01BubblemanSomeone did indeed wash her. Yes, bingo. Someone did. Luke's Fugen Fire. It is Fugen Fire. I think this hash is soft enough that the grammar could gram this shit out.

2:15:15BubblemanBut you just have to whip it a little bit, I guess, first. Oh, give it a go. Give it a go. Come on, work. There's no reason for this not to work. Like, I have absolutely... Giving you permission.

2:15:30SpeakerIt's the gremlins.

2:15:32BubblemanNo, but we need we need this presentation, Dr. Mark. Double click. Israel Gaspin has started. Gaspin has started screen sharing. Double click to enter full screen mode. All right. So I double clicked it. See, shit just stays black. Do you guys see anything?

2:15:52Etienne FontanNegative. I got a black screen, too.

2:15:55SpeakerOh, my side.

2:15:56Etienne FontanThis has started to share. Double click to enter full screen mode. But yeah, no, but nothing happens. No black screen.

2:16:05SpeakerBut maybe I'll try a different browser. Maybe that's the issue.

2:16:08Etienne FontanYeah, yeah. Try a different browser. Yeah, try a different browser. Chrome seems to work fine.

2:16:15SpeakerI am in full screen mode, so that worked.

2:16:19BubblemanYeah, I went to full screen mode, but it's all black. All right. So, yeah, stop sharing that one if you can and go into a new one. And then I'm going to smash out another bowl of the fullest of the fullest melt. I love it because it doesn't Chaz bad. It's just liquid I can scoop up, which is really that's that six star, you know. Plus, it's nice to smoke flags.

2:16:45BubblemanAnd remember, don't fuck up new shit.

2:16:47Etienne FontanYou won't end up being named after what you do to something. Because when you said Chaz, I was like, oh, poor Chaz still has to live with the shame of actually being named after fucking up a banger. That's sometimes how you are in life. Sometimes you're an example of how not to be.

2:17:07BubblemanIt's true. I will say when Brett Maverick told that story on Ash Church, I laughed my ass off. That shit was hilarious. His roommate, right? Chaz.

2:17:19Etienne FontanYeah, what happened to Brett?

2:17:22BubblemanYou know, over and over and over and over again, and I hope it's wrong, I heard drug overdose.

2:17:31BubblemanHopefully it was not the case. I remember we thought Indra was gone, and then he came on Hash Church and said, stop telling people I'm dead, which was amazing. Because it was his son who told me that he had passed away. I'm like, dude, it was your son. I thought it was a pretty good source.

2:17:50Etienne FontanNine times out of 10 times coming from the sun, it's a source.

2:17:55BubblemanThat's what I thought. I didn't even go as far as nine.

2:17:57Etienne FontanApparently you hit that one out of 10 just because you're lucky like that.

2:18:01BubblemanWell, apparently it was the meth.

2:18:05SpeakerOkay, now we just see Israel.

2:18:09BubblemanI only see a black screen. I see the black screen still.

2:18:11Etienne FontanI see a black screen.

2:18:13BubblemanHe started it. So if you can stop screen sharing, try to start it again. Or I can stop you from... Oh, there you go. Perfect. I feel bad.

2:18:22SpeakerWell, the other thing is that I just texted him and said he could email me the presentation and I could share it on my screen and just click through it.

2:18:33BubblemanProblem with your screen is I think you still don't show up when you talk. Let me give that a test. Say something.

2:18:42SpeakerFour score and seven years ago, our forefathers...

2:18:53BubblemanI feel like a hash church or two ago, and I don't know if it was on my laptop or here. There he is. He showed up. Holy shit. Okay, so for the longest time, Dr. Mark, and I have no idea why I asked computer people this shit. When he spoke, he didn't show up on the screen. When I put it on speaker, which is me right now, and which was Etienne and Dr. Mark and anyone who speaks shows up as the main character and nobody else shows up.

2:19:22BubblemanDr. Mark, I swore to God for months wasn't showing up. I was having every time he spoke, I'd have to go pin and I'd have to go pin his box and then unpin his box. It was a listen, I'm already doing a lot while I'm running this show. Let me just tell you, I got conversations going on. I'm trying to stay super bait, which is not an easy task with fucking, you know, sometimes herding cats.

2:19:47BubblemanYes, that's you guys. You're the cats. It's a compliment.

2:19:52SpeakerOh, last week you smoked through the entire episode, didn't you? Or two weeks ago? Dude, until I killed my Puffco, I think. Yeah, until you killed the Puffco.

2:20:02BubblemanWhen you were in Denver, that's right. Yeah, dude, when I'm in Denver, I puffed off. We've got like four universal heaters out on the tables, like all these fancy pipes with different bangers, Puffcos with like insane, insane tops. Like I can't even believe the tops. Did I show you the top that my buddy Kyle bought from Matt Robertson last time I was there? I can't remember if I showed it, but I should show it anyway because it's ridiculous.

2:20:34BubblemanLet me find it. Sometimes the phone requires you to do things just a little differently. All right, so here we go. Yeah. We'll go yo to him. Start a conversation that I don't have time to deal with. Oh, it's going to show up. Oh, there we go.

2:20:53Etienne FontanThis is how I. OK, now I do notice some, well, at least in the chat, when you try to share something like a file in the chat, it will not allow you to share something from your computer.

2:21:04SpeakerWhy? I was.

2:21:05Etienne FontanI wonder if there's a setting in your. I can share stuff. Will not allow in chat for anybody else.

2:21:15BubblemanWell, that's super weird. Let me, this is the problem. It's easier when someone asks me if they can share, but let me see. Display and control share screen. Maintain current size. Enter into full screen. Share all windows from an application. Choose individual windows or share all windows. Show green border. Show my Zoom workplace share. It seems like it's all available.

2:21:46BubblemanLike I don't see where it says only for me. Yeah, I don't know.

2:21:58SpeakerAll right, guys. One last one last try. And if not, I just shared the presentation with with Mark.

2:22:06BubblemanYeah, for sure. We've never had it not work for someone. I will say that.

2:22:11SpeakerYeah, that is strange. I haven't used Zoom for a while, so I'm not sure if that's the reason why.

2:22:18BubblemanUsually it's as simple as click and share.

2:22:21SpeakerYeah.

2:22:22BubblemanAnd the first time you did it, offered me, it said, can he share? And I said, allow.

2:22:29SpeakerYeah.

2:22:30BubblemanMaybe I accidentally clicked decline. I don't think I did. I'm pretty baked.

2:22:36BubblemanOh, no.

2:22:38SpeakerNow it's working, right? Oh, beautiful. Perfect. All right, let's do it, guys.

2:22:44BubblemanOkay, I'm actually super excited for this presentation now, dude. You built this up brilliantly. You're a smart guy, aren't you?

2:22:50SpeakerI hope so. I've been trying to. This is all planned. Thank you, Marcus. So just very quick, this is the team. I'm not a scientist. I am an engineering scientist designing the solution. Dr. Bosniak is the neuroscientist behind all of this. And Pooja and John and Wei Kai are part of our team leading the creation of this AI for brain analysis. The whole idea has always been, you know, how can we objectively and reliably know our well-being state and how... Israel, can you turn your mic up a little bit?

2:23:33SpeakerI think I'm having difficulty hearing you. Can you hear me? Yeah, that's better. Much better. Thank you. Okay, great. Yeah, so that has been the idea. How can we objectively and more reliably know the state of being of a person and how cannabis in this case help us to improve our well-being before any medical or therapeutic claim or benefit? And I was sharing with Mark at CanMed last week that

2:24:11SpeakerThe market gap that we found was the application of brain scans outside of hospitals or medical settings in order to know all of these wellness, potential wellness effects that has on people. And the gap that I was talking about is that today we have questionnaires that are great in order to know what is the perception of product experiences. But given the subjectivity and other challenges, it's hard to accurately and reliably know the specific effects that a product is giving to a type of person.

2:24:59SpeakerAnd how much that changes from a strain to a strain or when you change the amount of consumption, et cetera. And then on the other side, you have the traditional body fluid analysis that has been used to quantify how much DHC or how much of a substance you have in your body. The original application of this technology that I'll show you was not going to be for cannabis effect research.

2:25:31SpeakerIt was going to be used for cannabis impaired driving detection. When the government of Canada was in the process of legalizing cannabis at a federal level for recreational use, they were looking for additional tools that could help them to improve the whole investigation of determining if people were driving while high or not. And we proposed this technology. We said, Why don't you, why don't we use brain scans?

2:26:06SpeakerIt's more objective and is more reliable because your problem is not detecting if a person consumed THC or not. Your problem is, and it's not necessarily safety because today you are detecting if someone has THC in your system, but you don't know if that person is impaired or was impaired. So your problem is not safety. Your problem is false potential accusations of being impaired just because people will have THC in their system without being active anymore.

2:26:44SpeakerAnd we propose this technology. Thanks to them, we raise about a million dollars in non-dilutive funds to build the technology. We published papers and close to the end of that project, we just realized that law enforcers were not super excited about the use of this technology for two main reasons. One, I guess it was too early for them to... You know, to appreciate the functionality of this technology, the lack of stronger scientific evidence about its use, but I also think that the challenge has been removing subjective assessments and now using an objective tool that will say whether you are high or not, and if you are not high, then you should not have any problem.

2:27:44SpeakerThank you very much.

2:28:04SpeakerObjective and more accurate analysis of people's states of being and how cannabis or specific formulations or strains impact those well-being states. And I guess in certain ways helps them to feel better or accomplish certain life objectives.

2:28:29BubblemanIf you can speak a little louder, the people are having a hard time hearing you. It's coming in really quiet. Oh, that's very better right there.

2:28:37SpeakerIs it better?

2:28:38BubblemanYeah, you have to speak loud. I think the mic is just only pulling in so much, but it's very interesting what you're saying. So I'll let you continue.

2:28:45SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Thank you, Marcus. Yeah, so this technology for the record is not invented by us. It is not new. It has been used for more than a century to do brain scans for medical and therapeutic applications. It has been used by other neurologists to study cannabis effects in this traditional way, which is doing basic or manual brain signal analysis. But this approach is so Lazy and costly and in the end you need brain experts to do it that it was not possible to do this kind of EEG scans for cannabis effect research outside exploring medical benefits.

2:29:43SpeakerAnd I think that something like this, Marcus, is what you were talking about. Yes. Right. What we have been doing for more than a decade today is to map the brain on their several states of being. How people feel when they are high or even not high, when they are in a state of serenity, anxiousness, when they are mentally clear or mentally confused, happy, sad, angry,

2:30:20SpeakerWith physical pain, feeling nervous, and so many other cognitive states, levels of cannabis high, their heart rate, their psychological profile, etc. We have been doing that for over a decade. And thanks to this unique database that we have built, which on average is about 27 times larger than existing or public EEG databases. And the reason why these databases didn't exist is because 10 years ago, nobody except, I guess, us and maybe other pioneers look at the opportunity of applying AI or machine learning To do this type of brainwave analysis in a systematized way.

2:31:16SpeakerOnce Elon Musk said basically anything that is digital will be systematized with AI. And this was the case of brainwave or is the case of brainwave data. And after many years of companies like us and many others around the world that are building their own databases now, AI is being created. And what we have done on our side is the training of different AI models that are scientifically trained, validated, and confirmed to identify complex brain signals that are associated to all of these states of being, your mood, Whether you're feeling in a positive mood or not, whether you're feeling relaxed or energized or sleepy or anxious or sad, but with mental clarity or mental confusion, angry or serene, with physical discomfort, are you feeling the munchies, the food craving and the THC psychoactive effect, which is the PEL metric that I'll show you in a second.

2:32:34SpeakerAnd yeah, so now thanks to these scientific approach that we use to train AI models to do EEG analysis, and thanks to these portable, non-invasive, easy to use, wearable device, we are collaborating with universities, with R&D labs, with cultivators in order to enable them to prove objectively How their products work and why they are different than others in the market. Collaborations with university is to more clinically study specific cannabinoids or specific products for clinical or therapeutic formulations or benefits.

2:33:22SpeakerNot necessarily, our technology, by the way, does not claim that it will treat anxiety as an example, but it can show that your well-being state is being stressed or less stressed after consuming certain product. So clinicians leverage this data on top of additional research tools that they use in order to determine Potential clinical or therapeutic benefits of cannabinoids or other natural products. We have, we have multiple papers that we have published that I'll be happy to talk about in greater detail.

2:34:03SpeakerAnd the part that I like to highlight is that through this 10 year trajectory, we have not only worked with industry, with the industry like Pax Labs, Emerald Bay Extracts, and many other licensed producers in Canada and United States and in Germany. But also, I really like to highlight the collaborations that we have established with the Washington State University, the Research Hospital of Montreal, and more importantly, Because Health Canada, which is the equivalent of the FDA, is the only health-related federal organization that has regulated the non-therapeutic cannabis research space We have their approval, which means that they reviewed our protocols, our research tools, everything, and they have approved this research model, which is very transcendental, even though it doesn't look, it's not super clear to show it, but it's very transcendental because The approval of these master research protocols and approach to quantify all these kinds of mental states, they have recognized that speaking about these is not making any type of medical or therapeutic claim and recognizing that there are wellness benefits that are non-therapeutic.

2:35:39SpeakerSo as long as you don't claim a product reduces stress, And you don't claim that it treats PTSD. This is perfectly compliant with scientific standards and with these regulatory research framework to do research and And in 2020, well, last year, we attended CanMed for the first time. And it was so well received, the presentation that I did and some study cases that I'll show you in a second, that we just got so inspired to open a research site in the United States.

2:36:19SpeakerSo the exact same research model that we created for the Canadian market, now it's also Thank you for joining us.

2:36:36SpeakerI have a couple of study cases that we have documented and got the approval of the licensed producers that were participating in these projects. I'll just stop right now here. Maybe if you guys have any questions or comments, I'll be happy to answer them, or we can wait until I show the study cases.

2:37:03BubblemanGo ahead.

2:37:04SpeakerOkay, cool. So, you know, Gene McCain, I think today he's no longer at Mellow Cannabis, but at that time, which was, I think, a couple of years ago, he was the CEO of this cultivator in Massachusetts. And he has a strain called the Purple Panther. And he was the very first one that was explaining to me the issue that exists with the THC percentage. Because right now, somehow, for many reasons that I don't know, probably, the consumer right now is driven to make product selections by the amount of DHC, you know, in a strain or in, you know, any type of cannabis product.

2:37:56SpeakerThen Gene McCain was telling me the problem he was facing with the Purple Panther because To him and to the people that have tried it, it's one of the best strengths in a sense that creates a strong high, but its THC percentage is only 14%. So what we did is to implement the technology in his lab in Massachusetts, and we invited nine, you know, nine consumers to try in different ways, but in the same conditions at the same time, same circumstances.

2:38:33SpeakerWe invited them to bring their products and try the Purple Panther and the Kosh. Well, we blinded the brand name just for fair play and highlight that it's not about shading the other strain, but just highlighting that, you know, THC levels or THC percentage alone is not enough information to reliably determine the quality of a product. So these nine subjects, went to their lab and then they used smoke whatever they just smoked the first time with for example the purple panda they came back and they smoked the kosh strain they took the the same number of puffs and this is the this is the psychoactive effect level that was measured on the brain From these nine subjects is a crossover study.

2:39:31SpeakerSo we aggregated the level of high of all the participants, the nine participants when they smoked the Purple Panther and when they smoked the other strain. And as we can appreciate, when we measure the high on the brain, it's completely different than the percentage of THC that the strains are showing. And thanks to this information, the The Mellow Cannabis team has been running educational campaigns at retail to show to the consumers, look, the fact that this product has 14% of THC doesn't mean that it's bad or lower quality.

2:40:19SpeakerAnd that has been helping them, or to the best of my knowledge, what they were going to try to do is now to reposition the product as a true premium product That can be priced similarly to a 30% THC product. And yeah, so this is one of the main study results that we presented at CanMed the last year. I can pass to the next one, or if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

2:40:50BubblemanSo the PEL is the potency arc.

2:40:55SpeakerExactly.

2:40:56BubblemanAnd the potency arc from the Purple Panther was double that of the Kush strain that was almost 30% THCA. Exactly.

2:41:06SpeakerYeah. Amazing, right, Marcus? This is amazing.

2:41:09Etienne FontanWell, that proves what we know, that the high, for some reason, there's a high that's a difference. And this is just science proving what we anecdotally know. And this is what we want to see. This is what we always kind of envisioned. And this is a very fascinating view. It's also, you know, cautionary to certain involvement because of you can see how something like this can be abused.

2:41:34Etienne FontanHowever, What we're learning about it from just a strictly high category is absolutely fascinating because this backs up that it doesn't matter what THC matters. That's right. This is scientific proof that shows us why and gives us a better understanding to communicate why.

2:41:56SpeakerAnd so the magic of this technology and what Israel has been able to demonstrate here is that the calculation of what he calls PEL, or it's on the Y axis here, we have psychoactive effect level. On the X axis, we have time, right? We all know what time is. So Israel, help us understand how the technology is able to basically compute The PEL, because that's the magic of this technology, right?

2:42:29SpeakerYeah, totally, Mark. In very simple terms, what this technology is doing is every dot that you see in this graph is an EEG scan that is about two minutes long. So we record the brainwaves of people for about two minutes. And the machine learning models were trained to identify EEG or brainwave patterns that are triggered when you are high. So for two minutes, the algorithms are quantifying how present is the high in your brainwaves.

2:43:20SpeakerSo the higher, the higher the percentage of the PEL is basically the higher the amount of time that your brain waves are experiencing the high. Somebody was describing to me being high like sometimes this is not something that is absolutely flat. It comes and goes like in waves. So when you are very, very high, You will likely get to 100% of your brainwaves being stoned. But when you are not super high, your brainwaves are like, oh, I'm high, but I'm not high.

2:43:58SpeakerIt's coming and going. So... This method is basically quantifying how much your brain is getting into that highest state. And in this case, what it is showing is that the GUSH strain was not that strong to create those brainwave stimulations or changes. In order to make people feel as high as they were with the PEL. I don't know, is that clear so far, Mark? Or I can try to paraphrase it.

2:44:32BubblemanOh, yeah. This is awesome, dude. I already am like, oh, I want to get one for each of the micron bubble hashes. So like smoking the 190, the 160, the 120, the 90, the 73, all the way through.

2:44:48SpeakerNow there's a scientific way that we can do side-by-side comparisons With different consumer demographics. But Marcus, we could also look at for early onset of activity with say fast acting edibles or beverages or this is so eye opening in so many different ways. Exactly.

2:45:09Etienne FontanYou can see immediately when onset is, which would be especially for pain and various others, you know, would give clear or give it a clearer picture specifically.

2:45:22SpeakerYeah. Or the reason why you might have to pay a little bit more for a quality rosin product versus some generic distillate, which I think the next example he's about to show is going to compare. Yeah, there we go. Go ahead, Israel. Exactly, Mark. One of the most successful collaborations that we have established with companies in the States is Pax Labs, which has always been a science driven, high tech company.

2:45:56SpeakerAnd at that time, Dr. Echo Ruffer and Ricardo Celedon and David were the scientists at Pax Labs that collaborated with us to conduct this study. So we brought our portable EEG technology and implemented it in their lab so they can do this type of research. We just teach them how to use it, which is very straightforward and how to follow scientific protocols, which they are even more scientists than us.

2:46:29SpeakerSo they immediately knew how to do it. And in this case, we recruited 14 study subjects. That took eight hits of their live rose in Blue Dream. And then in a different day, they came back at the same time, in the same place, same conditions. And then they took eight hits of the THC distillate Berry Gelato. You can appreciate both seem to have the same or very similar percentages of THC.

2:47:01SpeakerBut we observed the exact same pattern, the entourage effect of having the THC combined with all the majority or probably all the other cannabinoids and terpenes and anything else that were extracted through live rossing versus the THC distillate strain. It was the exact same pattern that we obtained in We conducted this study even before the collaboration with Mellow Cannabis. And when we presented this to the team, we were like, oh my God, they may be concerned that their high purity THC doesn't work, et cetera.

2:47:41SpeakerAnd they were like, no, this is fantastic because the live rossing, as Mark said, is a premium product, but it is not clear You know, to the consumer, why it is a premium product, or at least back in that time, because both seem to have the same percentage of THC, and that's the main, you know, the C, you know, parameter that the consumer is using to make decisions.

2:48:09SpeakerSo now there is objective brain-based data showing, well, the live processing will give you a higher high, basically.

2:48:21SpeakerYeah, this was the chart that I took a picture of and I sent it to my friend Colin. And then Colin's like, that's my formulation.

2:48:37SpeakerI was happy to introduce you to Colin the other night at dinner. Absolutely, Mark. Thank you so much, Bob. There are so many exciting opportunities to explore with his projects and innovations, and we'll find some time to connect in the next few days. So thank you, Mark. And there is just one more study case that I wanted to share with you guys and your audience. This one is not related to THC, but it's about a CBD product that is infused with terpenes.

2:49:15SpeakerAnd we can observe a similar pattern in a sense that The formulation matters. How the product is combined with other cannabinoids or ingredients or terpenes, the extraction method, the product format, et cetera, will completely impact the effectiveness of a product to deliver an effect. And in this case, we conducted a study with consumers of a CBD gummy that contains 50 milligrams of CBD and terpenes. I think, yeah.

2:49:53SpeakerAnd like a curated set of terpenes that this company found in order to boost the CBD effect. And it was a very similar case where they were telling us about their challenge of communicating to the consumers Why they include it? Why they infuse their product with terpenes? Why is this better? And why the product is a bit more premium?

2:50:20BubblemanIf Sam was alive, he would interrupt rudely right now and he would say, I invented that and damned if he didn't. Look at that. And patented it. Look at that. This would bring a tear to Skunk Man Sam's eye. I'm certain of it, Israel. It's awesome.

2:50:37SpeakerBut I'm sure... I'm sure when Ethan Russo was sitting in the audience and saw this, he'd be like, okay, that's the entourage effect. What we're seeing here is we're seeing a physical manifestation of the entourage effect. Now, it's interesting, Israel, because what we think of when we think of CBD is that it's not psychoactive, but what the brainwave information is telling us is, no, there is some psychoactivity if it's relaxation versus a high It's just a different level of psych or a different kind of psychoactivity.

2:51:10SpeakerIsn't that right? Yeah, Mark. Exactly. So this was something it's an interesting it's interesting this approach. So relaxation is a well-being state that we are in regardless of what we take. But in this case, the relaxation effect is psychoactive because it's coming from a cannabinoid, which we know that it creates a psychoactive effect. But we have observed that other natural ingredients You know, can also, you know, impact your relaxation state, but you are exactly right, Mark.

2:52:00SpeakerIn this case, this is showing that psychoactivity is not only about being high, it's also about maybe making you feel more relaxed or sleepy or more mentally active or more mentally clear, et cetera, right? So in this case, it's showing that CBD induce, And I think that was the last.

2:52:40SpeakerThat was the last study case that I quickly prepared for you guys, but happy to exchange thoughts or answer any questions that you have.

2:52:51BubblemanI have questions and thoughts. I want to exchange both questions and thoughts with you because this is awesome. It really is a very cool thing. So you're in Canada doing this work. And it's as simple as, and so are you, you have a special licensing to do like research and development or you work within like an LP to do this work with cannabis?

2:53:15SpeakerGood question, Marcus. So for human research, We don't need a license to produce cannabis or et cetera. What we need is ethical approvals to conduct our research.

2:53:37SpeakerWe can conduct research with any single product that is available in the market or that is classified as hemp that doesn't require FDA approvals and all of these complications to conduct studies and that the consumer can buy them And come to our labs in the States and participate in our studies. Here in Canada, we can run studies with any single product available in the market. Or if we want to get the product directly from the producer, there is where we apply this research license that we have established with Health Canada.

2:54:18SpeakerThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:54:47BubblemanOkay, you can take, you can pull it down. That was really awesome.

2:54:51SpeakerSo Marcus, you could obviously see the application of this in competitive marketing, right? I mean, you could test your competitors' products against your products and show that your products get the patient a higher PEL score, which means that you're going to get higher on this product versus this product.

2:55:11BubblemanNo, it's definitely super unique. I see it for, I mean, everyone sees it for all sorts of different applications that they can kind of come up with and imagine with. And it's definitely one of the cool things that, you know, this is the kind of thing people need to be focused on. They're all like, oh, it's going to take your job. It's like, well, or you could just like use AI as a tool to create a job that doesn't, you know, really maybe yet exists, you know, do something that other people aren't doing.

2:55:37BubblemanAnd so. That's what Israel's doing.

2:55:40SpeakerYeah, that's exactly right, Marcus. The application of AI here is just opening the possibility of doing brain research, not necessarily for medical applications, but to help prove all of these wellness and functional effects that, you know, that's the reason why people consume, many people consume cannabis for daily help.

2:56:09BubblemanListen, the medical as well is going to be out of the box because there's already so many people using AI to read their blood. You've read about all these people putting their blood up into the AI and how it's just giving like, listen, it makes sense that the AI will perceive things that human beings will miss. And the more intelligent and the wider the scope of the AI or AGI or whatever you want to call it gets, The more it's going to perceive into the future almost as if magically.

2:56:44BubblemanAnd so once we can aggregate that type of data, it changes the game on what we know. And it really changes the game on what we didn't know we didn't know.

2:56:56SpeakerI think the side-by-side statistically robust comparison between form factor, smoking the bud versus smoking the hash versus smoking maybe a concentrate. I mean, the possibilities here are endless. The fact that, again, we can look at The way different cannabinoids. I would love to see what THCV does here. You know, people say that THCV is not psychoactive, but what about when you take a cultivar that has THCV and THC?

2:57:29SpeakerWhere does that PAEL go there, right? And so there's this opens the the the the the the. Pandora's box, which is how cannabinoids act with the brain and not relative to some blood level content. As we know, you could have smoked a joint two weeks ago and still have THC in your bloodstream or traceable amounts of the metabolites. I guess the point is, is that you're directly making this connection with the brain, right?

2:57:58SpeakerThe central hard drive in all of us that That basically governs our behavior and governs our activity. And so, yeah, so Israel, I think that like when I think about the possibilities of this technology and being able to show the entourage effect in a very, very tractable way, I mean that cannabinoids plus terpenes creates a different high than just the cannabinoids by themselves is just amazing. We could see the data and scientists like me, we love data.

2:58:29BubblemanDude, that's like a side project for this technology. That was like a side quest to get the key under the palace. It's just one aspect of a cool thing that you could do with said technology. It's definitely very cool. You got to make it the voice of authority, first of all.

2:58:46SpeakerYou got to get people to really kind of... Caleb put an interesting question in the chat. Caleb, do you want to ask that? Yeah, does this can brave wave like technology? Can the data show when a person is having closed eye visuals versus using their mind's eye or when they're having like open eye visuals? And then separately, like, is there any data on how a fantastic people like people who can't visualize with their mind's eye and then when they take drugs, they can, you know, are you able to capture that and see which drugs do that or which strains do that?

2:59:21SpeakerSo those are anecdata that we have that did not have quantitative data to back it up, yes. Yeah, so very, I would say that we are working on that because right now it's a very general quantification of are you high or not. But we have also been documenting specific information about the type of high that, you know, the consumer has been experiencing while we do the EEG scans.

2:59:49SpeakerFor example, when are you feeling the body high or the head high? Are you visualizing certain things or not? Are you feeling less pain, et cetera? So there are so many other markers. The reason why we haven't trained the models to that point is because data. Data is so important to do the training and

3:00:20SpeakerWhen we train and release models is because they went through a very rigorous scientific approach to train them, test them, validate them, and then conduct the studies to show that they are consistent and reliable, et cetera. So long story short, we don't have them yet, but I believe that the databases are getting close to that state where we will be able to say, oh, this product is making you feel high, and this is the type of high that you are having, right?

3:00:48SpeakerAnd even going a little bit further with that concept Mark and I were talking about, for example, feeling drunk. Right. Sooner or later, we will also, we or other companies, I guess, it doesn't matter. We will be able to map the brain when you are drunk. And I think that that will also transform the way, you know, law enforcement, the government regulates alcohol consumption and alcohol impaired driving.

3:01:19SpeakerBecause if, you know, a daily alcohol consumer may have just one Sorry, two beers and it might test positive in the in the breathalyzer, but they might have already developed resistance. So they are not drunk with two drinks, but I don't drink at all. So one drink might make me feel dizzy enough to maybe be at that level of, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:02:15SpeakerLSD, ayahuasca, you know, with so many other substances that are, you know, stimulating the brain in very unique ways.

3:02:26BubblemanThe fingerprint of brain activity based on each substance.

3:02:30SpeakerExactly, exactly.

3:02:32BubblemanWell, I would love to see the difference personally, because this is something I've always felt very strongly of. And I've watched it. I had my mother and my sister both worked at 911 and got all the calls and was like, yeah, they're always alcohol related. Very rarely is it cannabis related. And so what I noticed in my own experience was when I got people, especially when bubble hash was brand new and fresh and I would get people very high, they would just choose not to drive if they had to go somewhere.

3:03:00BubblemanSo there was this part of the brain that wasn't being frozen like it was with alcohol, which was, A, not only does it impair you, which would be great to hone in on the Thank you for joining us.

3:03:30BubblemanThey just won't. They just won't. They just won't convince themselves that they're totally fine with full confidence and insanity like the person who is hammered on the booze will do. So it would be very cool to show those differences and it would be unique to show with cannabis especially. Because I have seen a lot of people and a lot of people that use medical cannabis. I mean, if they couldn't drive while having cannabis in their system, well, then they'd never be able to drive anywhere.

3:04:03BubblemanSo there's tons of medical people throughout Canada, guaranteed and non-medical, who use cannabis and who drive. And so it would be interesting to show that part of the brain to see, is it truly considered impairment? I always thought personally, coming from a police family, like impairment would be simple. It shouldn't matter what you're on. It should just be like if you are impaired, Then we got to get you off the road or whatever and take the chance that we're making a mistake or whatever from the police perspective.

3:04:35BubblemanImpaired is impaired. If you're impaired, like you get out of the car and you fall out of the car or you can't stand up straight or your eyes are weaving and wavering, whether you're tripping balls on something or whether you're hammered on booze, like if you're impaired, you're impaired. And to me, anytime anyone felt those effects from getting too high on cannabis, Uh, like 9.9 times out of 10 would just be like, I'm not driving right now.

3:05:04SpeakerA couple of points there, Marcus, because, um, uh, well, We have conducted internal feasibility studies where we have been measuring the performance of subjects while driving. And the way we did it was by building a driving simulator that was asking cannabis consumers like, I will show you randomly on the screen certain tasks or buttons that you need to press when you are driving and things like that.

3:05:39SpeakerAnd we did that type of assessment before consuming their cannabis products. And then after, I think at that time they were only smoking cannabis and they were pretty stoned. And their driving performance was even better, specifically about that type of assessment that we were doing. And I guess it makes total sense because in that specific case, because I think that when you are high, or the few times I have been, you see everything in a lower motion.

3:06:17SpeakerSo you can appreciate greater levels of details that maybe when you are sober, you don't appreciate. And people were reacting way faster and way better when they were high, basically. Now, I'm not saying that people should drive necessarily when they are high, but I totally agree with you. What is the definition of being impaired? And I think that down the road with this type of brain technology, Not necessarily ours, maybe there will be others.

3:06:50SpeakerYou know, that definition of being impaired will likely, I really believe that it will change.

3:06:56BubblemanWell, it should, because think of this. Are we really worried about people who are smoking a joint here or there? Or are we worried about people on like Ativan and, you know, benzodiazepines?

3:07:10SpeakerWash down with some tequila.

3:07:12BubblemanAll sorts of legal pharma drugs that people are on. Like there are zombies out in the world that are just... you know if you don't look close enough you won't notice them they're just driving just like oh 120 miles an hour down the highway through the red light wipe out a whole family it's like oh i don't know what happened it was on so many things so you got to be careful out there for sure but that that is the kind of impairment i always thought personally i was never a fan of road checks I got busted at a road check, an alcohol road check, and I had a bunch of cannabis for the BC Compassion Club.

3:07:47BubblemanI was one of the first Compassion Club cases in Canada that went to court. And it was at the time seemingly not a great experience, although it did lead to me starting my company, Fresh Headies, and doing the bubble bags. And so a whole everything that's happened since then has really happened because of that. So I can't really complain about it. It was one of those experiences where you manifest your reality, but you don't recognize it at first, because I didn't think I manifested myself getting arrested with 16 pounds and some...

3:08:21SpeakerCould you envision the way that they have that, you know, for people who are repeat offender drunk drivers or DWI, you have to blow into a breathalyzer to activate the ignition on your automobile. Could you envision the same kind of thing where you have to put on this hat and Thank you so much for joining us.

3:09:00BubblemanThank you for joining us.

3:09:15SpeakerAnd the other thing, to be honest, Marcus, is because it's been so widely looked at, there's definitely a correlation between blood alcohol content and driver impairment, right? Because they've done that analysis over a statistically significant swath of the population, heavy drinkers, light drinkers, medium drinkers, right? So they're able to basically be able to make that correlation. I think what Israel's technology will enable us in the future is really to assess actual impairment.

3:09:44SpeakerIt may almost be agnostic to the material that's impairing you, whether it's alcohol, cannabinoids, pills, right? Because it's affecting the brain, right? Is that right, Israel? And the actual application of this technology or the study case that we or the proposal that we made to the organization that funded those and the Ontario Provincial Police that somebody from that organization was evaluating this technology proposals, we said, look, this technology Thank you very much.

3:10:45SpeakerWhere this technology can help you is that once a person tests positive in a saliva test and you take them to the police station where you begin your whole investigational process through this DRE evaluation, the drug recognition expert evaluation, that takes for about 40 minutes or more. There is where you can do a quick EEG scan that may take you, let's say, 10 minutes. And you can objectively know if they are truly experiencing acute THC psychoactive effects on the brain or not.

3:11:25SpeakerIf it's not, then it means that people were just consumed recently cannabis, but they are not anymore impaired and you should let them go. If they test positive in this brainwave analysis, then of course, go ahead and continue your entire investigation so you can collect very robust evidence of an illegal activity, fair enough. But if not, Be aware that many people will test positive in a saliva test because you are allowing people to consume cannabis.

3:12:02SpeakerAnd the fact that they have more than five milligrams of THC in saliva or in the blood doesn't necessarily mean that they are impaired. And now you can do that kind of a screening test. Next on Cop Church. That's awesome.

3:12:33BubblemanVery cool. I mean, listen, I'm sure there's all sorts of different applications or different pathways that you guys will be able to go with this. I can definitely see all sorts of low-hanging fruit. And of course, the higher-hanging fruit is just as visible as well. It's just, I'm sure, more costly to operate under.

3:12:52SpeakerYeah, totally, Marcus. And, you know, one of the main reasons why we also chose this project You know, first low-hanging fruit, which is the application of this technology for research, is because the application of AI in brain technology is just about to boom. It's just about to explode because for a decade, companies have been building these databases, not only Centerlla. And building these databases is the most crucial part in order to maximize the full potential of machine learning in in this space so we can learn more and more about you know cannabinoids and other you know functional products and functional ingredients and how all of them impact our well-being so I am really, really excited and so happy for the decision that we made multiple years ago because thanks to that now we have like this more robust capability of quantifying other mental states.

3:14:10SpeakerYou know, the possibilities are just literally unimaginable at this point. I'm pretty sure we haven't even foreseen other applications and other ways of creating AI for brainwave analysis that will be, I would say, game changing in the space of wellness and health and In cannabis and other spaces that just are focused on helping us enjoy life more and be happier.

3:14:43BubblemanWell, speaking of health and brainwaves and cannabis, I want to give a shout out and a rest in peace, unfortunately, to my good friend, Dr. Brent Reynolds. Who worked at the University of Miami and who was responsible for really flipping the whole stem cell world on its head, unintended when his master's degree He promoted the idea that stem cells were to be found in the brain and really sort of rewrote that science.

3:15:17BubblemanHe passed away in April. I only found out recently, just at the end of May, I found out. And Dr. Brent Reynolds was the gentleman who helped formulate the prana that Tony was selling back in the day with River Rock. Dr. Brent Reynolds was part of our Jamaican company that we had, CRD, and I had even started a little mushroom company with him prior to him passing away.

3:15:44BubblemanSo just shout out to Dr. Brent Reynolds, who was always such a good human, and he is no longer with us as it goes sometimes. Dude looked like he was in his 40s. He was 63. Oh, my God.

3:16:04BubblemanThat's how old I am. Oh, really? Yes. Are you looking good, Dr. Mark?

3:16:12SpeakerI look good for 63, don't I? Yeah. I look a day over. You're in pretty good shape, Mark. Yeah, absolutely. I look a day over 62, right?

3:16:22Etienne FontanNot a day over.

3:16:23BubblemanYou know what? I don't know. I've only ever been 53 is the oldest I've really ever been. I don't really know what we're... I just remember being a kid. If you were like in your 50s or 60s, you were like old as fuck. Like that was old.

3:16:39SpeakerNow... You're only as old as you behave.

3:16:42BubblemanWell, I guess so, right? You know, and it's different. It's different. It is a mindset. Age is definitely a mindset. I think it was Prince who was like, he doesn't say he didn't celebrate. He's like, how many birthdays do you have? He's like, I've had 36. He's like, well, I, I would argue that you've only had one. And then you've celebrated it over and over and over again, which has enforced your aging.

3:17:04BubblemanHe's like, I do not celebrate my birthdays. And because of it, I look like this. And he did. And he did look pretty young in the interview. It's a Prince interview. Look up. Classic Prince. Don't celebrate your birthdays. It only enforces age upon you. I might have to put a small amount of belief into that. Then we'll get the EEG on my head and we'll be like, oh, there's something here, man.

3:17:27BubblemanThere's something here. Neuroplasticity is at an all-time high.

3:17:36SpeakerIt's funny you mention that. And when Ezra was talking about ayahuasca and whatnot, I wonder like for people who get off on religion, you know, like religion is like a drug, right? So if you were to look at like an atheist versus someone who's religious and you show them like an image of, I don't know, Donald Trump looking like Jesus or something, you know, some kind of religious vision.

3:18:09SpeakerI mean, does religion We'll see you next time.

3:18:35SpeakerYou know? Yeah, or like when I'm in a fish show and I want to see a good split open and melt or a good divided sky and what do they break into, Mark? Big black furry creatures. Oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. I want to see what happens to my PEL then, you know?

3:18:51BubblemanYeah, that's what I'm saying. There's the first time you see the Northern Lights. You know, the first time you hear a loon on the lake at 4 a.m. as you're getting up out of your tent to take a leak, there's all sorts of different unique aspects that would be amazing to map. And I'm sure like AI will do it right with the more people like Israel who are doing this work, the more, I guess, ability AI will have to aggregate it all and come up with things like he just mentioned that we don't even have any idea of.

3:19:22SpeakerYou know, it's this mental state when, I don't know, Catholics, Muslims, Christians. Oh, you're very quiet again.

3:19:34BubblemanSpeak louder. Can you hear me now?

3:19:36SpeakerCan you hear me better? A little bit, yeah. Speak like you're in the front of a room with no microphone. You must speak loud. Can you hear me better? Yes. Sure. Okay, I'll speak louder. But you know, it's like when people are praying, Catholics, Jewish, Muslims, all these religions are praying and they are building this spiritual connection with God. And people believing in the universe and the law of attraction.

3:20:16SpeakerI wonder if it's the exact same state of mind. Yes. I don't know, but maybe I will. Many people will want to murder me after saying this because. But I wonder if it's the exact same state of being of spirituality and connection with something else above us that we are not able to understand yet. And some people call it God, others, you know, the law of attraction, etc.

3:20:46SpeakerI think it's pretty related to what you guys were mentioning, like, Is it just because of how human race, you know, existed and has evolved in different parts of the world that we call it different religions? Or or not. And it's truly different.

3:21:05BubblemanThat's likely we're tapped into the very same. It's a frequency. If I were to say anything, I was feeling the law of attraction today because I was I was like, shit, I'm all out of flour. I need some flour. I was like, I don't smoke a ton of flour, but I was I need some flour as well. I apparently mixed up my manifestation slightly. But for Father's Day, my youngest son just brought me some flowers.

3:21:34BubblemanSo yeah, there it is. I got some flowers.

3:21:38SpeakerNow we can see Mark's PEL going up, right? It is. Israel, Caleb brought an interesting question out to chat. So what about experiences that harsh or high, right? So all of a sudden, if you see the police lights in your rearview mirror, now, oh, my God, that harsh or high. Or somebody showing up with a flashlight to bother you and your friends as you're smoking. So do you think...

3:22:06SpeakerLike if your high is decreased, you'd see that as a drop in PEL? I'm not sure, Mark. We haven't done specific research, like that type of research. That research would be a super bummer.

3:22:21BubblemanOkay, we're going to put you guys in a car once you get real high, and then maybe something's going to happen. But we can't tell you what, because we don't want to ruin the adrenaline spike you're going to get.

3:22:35SpeakerBut we know, right, that if you, I don't know, you are listening to music that you don't like or you are uncomfortable, you may experience paranoia or anxiety. So I don't know if that will trigger a higher PEL, but if we look at the anxiety levels, maybe they will go up for sure.

3:23:01BubblemanInteresting.

3:23:02SpeakerYeah. Once we conducted a study here in Canada with a flower, a very strong flower. So participants came to the lab and smoked their flower, but it was a group of 10 study subjects and they didn't know each other. And some of them were feeling paranoid and anxious just by being with strangers and asking them to do certain cognitive tests and memory tests, et cetera. Their anxiety levels just went up just by- Oh my God, you could do it with a picture of Trump.

3:23:47BubblemanYou could set people through the roof. You could prove TDS, in fact. You could put that to rest forever because that guy, honestly, The only thing I saw that enraged people more than him, and I accidentally, the first time I saw the Cybertruck, I was like, whoa, this thing's super weird. So I screenshotted it and I posted it on my Instagram and it got a massive, like, I think it got four or five hundred thousand views.

3:24:12BubblemanBut there was like 4,000 people like threatening my life, calling me a douche for buying it. I was like, I never said I bought it. Like people were so angered by the sight of this truck. I was like, whoa, like you could definitely measure that with an EEG, whatever that is. I bet you it's the anti-high. It's like the, whatever the high spike is, it's like the, it's the inverted one.

3:24:40BubblemanWow. This is exciting, man. I'm kind of excited for your science.

3:24:45SpeakerThank you, Marcus. Yeah, I connected both of you. I traded contact information with both of you so you guys could connect. Marcus, I would love for you and your companies up in Canada to forge a relationship with Israel and this company and to really push the limit of where this thing can go because, man, Thank you for joining us.

3:25:24SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

3:25:48SpeakerBecause yes, they fight cancer, they fight free radical mediated damage, and you know, what's wrong with feeling a little high every now and then? Absolutely. In fact, doesn't PEL, we can correlate probably PEL to drop in blood pressure, to other things You know, data points around the human condition that might be able to help us understand how we can use cannabinoids to affect disease. One of the things Israel and I were talking about poolside the other day was, you know, in some cases, you don't want psychoactive effect, especially if you're trying to treat either young children or say older population.

3:26:33SpeakerYou don't want a PEL.

3:26:35BubblemanKids like to get stoned too, man. Well, I'm joking.

3:26:39SpeakerPoint is, Marcus, is that like if you have a young child, you don't want them to be high. I mean, and certainly like I had a case with a friend of mine whose mom at 88 years old had a double mastectomy. And after all that pain and having to get rid of breast cancer, we tried her on a gummy. And, you know, even though the gummy was very, very low dose, she had never used THC before.

3:27:05SpeakerBeyond her teenage years and it made her feel very uncomfortable and very dizzy and and she she stopped using the gummy all together and she's she's passed on since but I guess the point is is that some people need the cannabinoids as medicine but don't necessarily want the psychoactivity well look at the utility of this tool to identify hey we can dial in a patient's

3:27:30BubblemanWe've got a lot of people who don't want the psychoactivity. Totally understand that. And do they want all the other side effects that all the other drugs give them? Like, no, but what? They have some like magical wand. I don't like anal leakage, so I'm not going to. It's like, dude, you're going to take this drug or you're going to die. How about that? People are just taking these drugs.

3:27:56BubblemanBut when it comes to cannabis, they're worried about getting high. This was the exact situation with my uncle. He was so afraid of getting high that he ended up passing away soon after sending me back Horatio's oil, whereas the person I sent that oil to took it all and is literally like, you know, been cancer free for like a decade or however long it's been. So it's definitely...

3:28:19BubblemanIt would definitely be unique if we could put up more data that's visual that could show people like, hey, this is what's happening in your brain. Like, it's like, it's not damaging you. You're not burning your brain cells. In fact, it's increasing neuroplasticity. We can show that here and here. We can, I have the greatest of confidence. Thank you.

3:28:52BubblemanSo I can only imagine the magic that you'll find in the brain. I mean, what you've already found. And in fact, yes, of course, Dr. Mark, I'm going to hook up with Israel. I've already been typing with my partner. For our new company, the Global Hash Collective. And he is friends with, what was it, Kinloch that did that study with you? Yeah, Kinloch. So he's friends with the owner of that company.

3:29:22BubblemanFlow Scientific as well, I think, or one of those. Yeah, so I'm going to hook you. He wants you to email me. I'll email you first, but he'd love to get some of these links. These are the results that you have. And we're definitely going to link up and have a conversation. So that has already begun. Because of course, while I'm moderating Hash Church and trying to pay attention to everything Israel says, but also chime in and have my own thoughts.

3:29:49BubblemanIn the background, I'm just, you know, messaging partners and setting up relationships. Thank you, Dr. Mark. Appreciate you.

3:29:55SpeakerYou're welcome. Hey, anything I could do to help? Hey, you know, again, I would love Israel if we could actually do a demonstration of this technology on an upcoming episode of Hash Church, you know, so we could actually see this in real time. Would that be a possibility where we could actually look at the PEL level of somebody who is consuming? Well, right now the technology is split into components.

3:30:23SpeakerOne component is the application of the headband and doing the brainwave recording, etc. Wait, did you call it a headband? Yeah, headband. Oh my God. Yeah. Headband. There it is. Um so and then so we do all of that data collection first and then we have the machine learning algorithms in the clouds to do the analysis and right now this version is not doing the analysis in real time so but but I was sharing with you, Mark, that we have a version that works in real time and maybe it's time to make it work because many years ago when we built it and we were telling people that we were able to detect if you were high or not with this You know, technology that reads your microvolts generated from your brain.

3:31:20SpeakerLiterally, I will never say names, but some neuroscientists were saying this is stupid. And, you know, when we were presenting this also to the government, We were just so frustrated that they didn't believe in this that we film it. And also we don't have the consent of the study subjects that were, that are part of that study so proudly wearing their Bob Marley shirt because they were going to be in a video getting high.

3:31:46SpeakerBut we have that version of the technology market and as soon as we have it up and running, I'll let you know guys, it will be fantastic to see that. It was so exciting to see it working with, what I can describe you is those real time demonstrations we were doing back in that time where we were asking, In one case, we were asking a consumer to smoke a CBD dominant strain.

3:32:16SpeakerAnd we were saying, okay, feel free to have a puff of your strain, and then EEG scan, and then measuring in real time the PEL, zero, have another puff, zero PEL. Third puff, fourth puff, okay, 10% of the PEL. And then that person was like, okay, let me try now this strain that has 21% of THC.

3:32:47SpeakerBoom, 70% PEL. Next recording, 100%, 100%. And it was so interesting, by the way, to see that, I guess, because of the high concentration of CBD in the first strain. I have a vision for the future here. And someday on Hash Church, we're all going to have a headband. All of us panelists, ATN, Marcus, we'll all have headbands. And then... When we hear the bong rip mother lovers, right?

3:33:19SpeakerThere's going to be a little score thing on the side, right? And they're going to watch us all consume and we'll see who's getting high and who's not. And maybe even ask our friends in the chat to join as well. So could you imagine if all of our friends in the chat and everybody watching Hash Church and all the panelists on Hash Church all had the headband, right?

3:33:42SpeakerAnd we were all networked into some, you know, Absolutely, Mark. That will be exciting to see. Bubble man, make it happen. I'm working on it already. Just give me a couple seconds here. It's being manifested, Mark. It's being manifested. It will happen. Yeah, it's kind of like the way Puffco is our sponsor. Maybe Zentrella can be our sponsor someday. And, you know, Puffco is very, very kind and sends us all the latest gadgets and everything.

3:34:11SpeakerSo maybe with Zentrella as a sponsor for Hash Church, we'll all get our headbands, you know. Exactly. Your EEG headset, Mark, for... Yes, exactly. Now, again, let's think out of the box here. Could there be a Zentrella-type device that tells you your endocannabinoid deficiency level and be coupled with something that immediately administers through some microchip embedded in your brain cannabinoids to make sure that your PEL level...

3:34:46SpeakerIs adjusted appropriately.

3:34:51BubblemanYeah, it would be the PEL regulator. Exactly. Exactly. It would sound like Darth Vader. Like, what was that? It's like, that was just my PEL regulator.

3:35:01SpeakerIs that the future of getting high? The future of getting high is having some bio feedback system based on EEG level that tells you, hey, it's time to re-up, you know?

3:35:13BubblemanNo, no, the future is having thoughts, right? Doing what the DMT elves told Terrence to do what they were doing, which was creating three-dimensional objects with their voices. So when we can create reality with the frequency of our voice from nothing to something, that will be the future.

3:35:35SpeakerAbsolutely.

3:35:40SpeakerIsrael, thank you so much for sharing your stuff today on Hash Church. This has just been wonderful. I'm looking at some of the comments in the chat. I think we've educated a whole lot of people today. Thank you so much, Mark, for the invitation. You told me that you were going to do it. And when I saw your text message, I was like, okay, everyone, I need to go back to my apartment because, you know, I would not miss the opportunity.

3:36:04SpeakerAnd thank you, Marcus and ATN for inviting me and listening to what we are doing.

3:36:12BubblemanAbsolutely, dude. Thank you for coming on. It was awesome. Like I said, we'll have to have you on again. And myself and my partner will definitely be reaching out to you here in the near future to see what kind of synergies we can sort of figure out. In the least, my partner's got questions and he would love to get an email with some of that, some of what you shared.

3:36:30SpeakerAnd certainly we should acknowledge, you know, Kevin and Brandon and the CanMed community for bringing me and Israel together. You know, I wouldn't have... I wouldn't know who Israel and his company is if I hadn't attended CanMed last year in Puerto Rico. So thank you for attending, Israel. And certainly, again, regardless of what you think about the McKernans, this conference brings people together and bridges gaps. And this is just another manifestation of that.

3:37:02SpeakerI like the McKernans. Yes. You are awesome. Not everybody does.

3:37:08BubblemanWell, you know what? Fuck those people. How about that? No, I'm just joking.

3:37:15SpeakerBut to have a venue where people that are coming up with new technology, like what Israel's company is, and then myself, who's just a chemist, who's looking to make new medicines from cannabis, to meet with people like Dustin and Bonnie and Ethan, the front end doctors. I mean, it really, it spans this, you know, what cannabinoids can do. And we do have a crystal ball. We can look in the crystal ball and see what the future can be like.

3:37:44SpeakerAnd I'm just so grateful to have met you, Israel. And we shared a ride back to the airport together. And I hope your flight back home yesterday was as smooth as mine.

3:37:57BubblemanI wish I could have been there. I really do. I had to be somewhere else.

3:38:01SpeakerNext year, Marcus. Next year.

3:38:04BubblemanYeah. Where will it be? Somewhere different.

3:38:07SpeakerI think they really like this resort. It's the Grand Hyatt.

3:38:10BubblemanI'd like to go back to Tahoe.

3:38:12SpeakerYeah, I think it's going to be back at Tahoe because I think they really liked it. And hopefully Israel will be there to show us some new data on what the wonderful things that this technology can bring. I am just awash with possibilities here. There's so many things you can do with this. Absolutely, Mark. Thank you very much, guys. Have a great rest of the show today.

3:38:36SpeakerAnd we're in touch, Marcus. Thank you, everyone.

3:38:40BubblemanThank you, Israel.

3:38:41SpeakerThank you, Israel. Thank you guys. Bye-bye.

3:38:44BubblemanWell, that was darn interesting.

3:38:47SpeakerWasn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

3:38:49BubblemanIt's almost like you just learn stuff on the hash church. It's weird.

3:38:52SpeakerI feel like one of Jesus' disciples, you know, like when you see something that's amazing like that and you can't wait to share it with your friends and associate, you know, bring together these different communities because he's not a doctor, right? He's not a chemist, right? He's a software and, you know, a computer guy. You know, it's like... So yeah.

3:39:18BubblemanI know Sam would have been asking them a thousand questions. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

3:39:24SpeakerSam would want to break the machine.

3:39:25BubblemanYeah, he's like, I'm going to break the house. What's the boundaries on this thing? What's a say?

3:39:31Etienne FontanSam would have been ordering it behind the scenes.

3:39:34BubblemanYou know, the machine and he to come on has church and he would have that thing on the doll. I was about to say it would be on the cat in the hat. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

3:39:46SpeakerSo when the cat gets high, right?

3:39:51BubblemanYes, exactly. That was good. Well, good day. A little bit left. Another 25 minutes of chit-chat. And I got some beautiful plants that I went and picked up the other day. So I have just like six or seven nice little bushies sitting out on the deck waiting for the sun to come out. I love having some cannabis plants. I think my wife and I are going to go to the garden store today and maybe...

3:40:13BubblemanDavid Vogelpohl, David Vogelpohl, David Vogelpohl, David Vogelpohl, David Vogelpohl,

3:40:34BubblemanIn the private chat now. I don't know if I shared it in. It doesn't want to let me share it in the chat box. I was shocked to hear about Dr. Brent Reynolds. I really was. Such a nice dude. Such a good guy.

3:40:57SpeakerYeah, so it's interesting, like when I had first gone over and talked to Tony when I was in Denver that one time, and he was showing me he had his patent application, which was, you know, he handed me over this big wad of paper, and I was like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I was like, Tony, how did you come up with all this? He never mentioned this guy's name at all.

3:41:20SpeakerI know. Tony wanted to take all the credit, I think.

3:41:25BubblemanYeah, I mean, Dr. Brent was doing his thing. He's, uh, he was a good dude. I definitely met him through Tony. I wouldn't have known him without those guys. Uh, I was glad I got to know him. It was, uh, he definitely has gone too soon. He had a property on Salt Spring or sorry, not Salt Springs, uh, Not savory either. He had on Laskiti Island, which is the island that like the hardcore sunk the barge, the BC Hydro barge, so that they never brought power to this island.

3:41:56BubblemanThis island is completely off grid. It's nicknamed The Rock. And he had a really nice property over on Laskiti Island that I was always hoping to get over to say hi to him. But I guess that's not having to do it.

3:42:20BubblemanAnyways, anyways, what are you guys up to for the rest of the day?

3:42:27SpeakerYeah, no, we go out for kayak just because I can.

3:42:30BubblemanI mean, I could do that too. But I think it's going to be nice out there. My son wants to go electric skateboarding instead. Guaranteed he does. I'm going to have to put my four-wheel drive wheels on.

3:42:45SpeakerWhat's the weather like up there, Marcus, today?

3:42:47BubblemanIt's hot and beautiful as it is every day from like the end of May to like the end of September. It'll just be like epically beautiful. We'll get very little rain. Steve Adubato, Ed.D.I.T.I.T.I.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.

3:43:19BubblemanI start feeling pretty excited that I'm going to be able to go snowboarding because it's still one of my favorite things to do. And out of all the things I do, snowboarding and dirt biking are kind of at the top of the list for things that I probably won't be able to do forever, forever if I if I really age even well. So I want to do it as much as possible.

3:43:38BubblemanI hope I have another like 20 or 30 years left. But let's see.

3:43:42SpeakerHow's the weather in the Bay Area, ATN?

3:43:46BubblemanSunny.

3:43:48Etienne FontanCool. I mean, I'm in a sweater.

3:43:50BubblemanATN and I are both in the bay, but we're in different bays.

3:43:56Etienne FontanYeah, so.

3:43:57SpeakerI'm on Mallet's Bay, so I'm on a bay too.

3:43:59BubblemanWe're all in the bay.

3:44:01Etienne FontanI'm going to do what I do every Father's Day, which is whatever I want, because I'm not a father. Not that you know of. No, no, no, no. I'm a cat daddy, so I'm a pet my cats. My mom-in-law is over at the house, so we're just kind of chilling with her. We're working on the backyard and then, yeah, working on some articles and all kinds of other things.

3:44:25Etienne FontanYou know me, I'm always doing nothing.

3:44:29SpeakerIs your dad still alive, ATN?

3:44:31Etienne FontanNo, my biological father died years ago and then my stepdad, he died at 93 peacefully in his bed after surviving World War II and all that shit, man. He survived the Battle of the Bulge. Yeah, so he's a badass. So he enjoyed his life. He had five kids and... Yeah, I mean, if you can make it to 90, your 90s, you're doing good in this world. And he had his faculties pretty much just about until the end, which is, again, all you could hope for.

3:45:07Etienne FontanAnd that's just taking care of yourself. But, you know, he smoked until his 50s, had a quadruple bypass surgery and, you know, lived a clean life since. And that got him from, you know, another 40 years in life. So, yeah. You know, quitting smoking cigarettes was a major part, you know. But I mean, all of our parents, right, were of that smoking generation.

3:45:29SpeakerDid your parents smoke, Mark? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. My dad smoked a pipe, my mom smoked a cigarette, and you can picture this, right? 64 Bonneville Station wagon, right? Three kids in the back, and all windows up. Both parents smoking cigarettes.

3:45:50SpeakerSo, I mean, back then, they just didn't know. They had no concept that this was as bad.

3:45:54BubblemanWell, they had a concept that Dr. Welby told him it was fine. He said, I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

3:46:00SpeakerMost doctors smoke camels, you bitches.

3:46:02BubblemanYeah, smoke camels, motherfuckers.

3:46:06SpeakerYeah, and I think they always looked at the Marlboro Man, right? Back when they used to be able to advertise for... Before he went through chemo. Right, right, before he went through chemo. Or they replaced him with another guy. The Marlboro Man was always a big, brawny... Hey, what keeps happening to the Marlboro Man? It's like, he keeps dying. Yeah, but isn't it true? I mean, again, like...

3:46:31SpeakerNot only were they told, they were actually told at one point that it was good for them, right? Yeah. Smoking was good. Palms to nerves, right?

3:46:39Etienne FontanIt was a nerve tonic. Yeah.

3:46:43SpeakerRight. Right. So it wasn't like standard issue back in World War II was like.

3:46:48Etienne FontanOh, it came in your, even in Vietnam, you would get a four pack of, you know. Yeah. So.

3:46:54SpeakerSo Hershey's chocolate, right? Hershey's chocolate, a can of Coca-Cola and some Marlboros, right? Jesus. America.

3:47:02BubblemanFor the hat. Do you stick them in the hat?

3:47:04SpeakerYeah. Well, the soldiers usually would put the cigarette box in the band that was around their helmet, right? Helmet, yeah.

3:47:13Etienne FontanWell, you don't do that now. It's a bright color at a long distance, just saying.

3:47:18BubblemanAll flashy, all shiny.

3:47:20Etienne FontanNot recommended to make yourself a reflective target, you know, just, you know, you learn that quite quickly, you know. The wisest words my stepdad ever told me, he said, son, remember in combat, You'll be amazed how much of your body you can fit into your helmet.

3:47:39SpeakerYou know, I forgot to mention this, but I met some very interesting people the other day who are investing in a company. And I believe it's either in South Africa or Australia that has genetically modified tobacco to now have the cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway in it. So they could basically now grow tobacco plants that produce cannabinoids, right?

3:48:06SpeakerI don't know what that's good for, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

3:48:12SpeakerI guess what they're thinking was, so I asked them, I said, well, what about nicotine? Is there still, and I think they've manipulated the genetic pathway to dial out the nicotine and produce cannabinoids. But then I scratched my head. I said, you know, the cannabis plant does really good at producing cannabinoids. I don't know why you need it. Yeah, Yeah, and its own natural ratio, not in a frankenform, right?

3:48:36SpeakerI guess just in the way that people consume tobacco, if you could put cannabinoids into tobacco, right, and it tastes like tobacco, maybe it smells like tobacco, but it don't work like tobacco, right?

3:48:51Etienne FontanWell, what would that entail? Well, CBG is the precursor, right? So getting CBG to take in the plant. CBGA, right. CBGA and how it dictates.

3:48:59SpeakerYeah, so... So they know now that we know all the genomics, we know the genes that code for those enzymes that basically create the cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway in cannabis. They could basically just take it from one plant and insert it into another. With all the, you know, trappings of, oh, it's genetically modified and, oh, this is going to create Franken, whatever, you know, maybe again, just to put, to dial out the toxicity of tobacco, since tobacco is still consumed on such a large volume and to put cannabinoids in there, you know, maybe there is something to that.

3:49:39Etienne FontanYeah, well, every time I go to Europe, I'm always amazed by how much cigarette smoking there is. Right. Hey, Caleb, what about your parents? Did your parents smoke cigarettes? I mean, you're a younger generation than us, and so ours were of that generation. So did your parents tobacco use?

3:49:58SpeakerNo, my mom did not, but my dad picked up the habit when he was in the Navy.

3:50:05Etienne FontanThat will happen.

3:50:07SpeakerYeah. But he stops whenever he's drunk. He loves to bum cigarettes off of people.

3:50:18BubblemanSounds about right. I only smoke when I drink, so I drink seven days a week. I don't buy it myself. I bum them. Yeah, I don't support that industry. Hey, could you could I get one of those off you? But you know, the smoke is hilarious.

3:50:36SpeakerIt's a pretty powerful drug, nicotine and tobacco. Absolutely. We were at an outdoor concert. And believe me, I don't like tobacco smoking at all, even in outdoor venues. It just bothers me when I smell that tobacco. And I watched this one tobacco guy. He was chain smoking. Literally.

3:51:00BubblemanTobacco guy.

3:51:02SpeakerAs he stuffed out one, he lit another. Snuffed out one, hit another. And it was just this nonstop. He must have smoked. So we were at a jazz fest, which was outdoors and everything. So it was nice that it was outdoors. I think it was indoors. I would have moved away from where this guy was. But just chain smoking one right after another. I mean, we don't smoke cannabis like that.

3:51:25SpeakerI don't know. Well, except for Marcus when he's on hash church in Denver. Right. But like, like, I don't know.

3:51:33Etienne FontanI mean, it must be more the more stress. I mean, I watch here's just kind of my kind of a view from when I went from I've smoked before I went to war. OK. And so when I went over, I would say about Less than 5% of us in my unit were smokers. When we were on the front line, I would say closer to 80%. We're smoking.

3:51:58Etienne FontanAnd there were a few of us and a few times when I was getting ready to go into combat, etc. We were doing that, literally taking the cherry from one cigarette and lighting the other just because of the the anxiety and the stress that comes with possibly dying today. Right. Shitty feeling. Highly do not recommend it. Not very good for your survival instincts, etc. But It was then fascinating then when everybody came back, then everybody who was under that great stress, of course, quit that tobacco.

3:52:32Etienne FontanWhen it went back to over time, that small percentage, you know, of actual smokers. So, you know, it depends on stress and, you know, environment, affordability. You know, over in Europe, you know, I was over there a few times this year and every time you can see tobacco, I mean, they put pictures on there of what it does to your body. Yeah. And I mean, some of the most vile pictures you're ever going to see people voluntarily purchase on their tobacco every single time.

3:53:03Etienne FontanBut it doesn't seem to have the effect because the amount of people I still see smoking is exponential. So what you're saying, the drug that is nicotine has to be one of the most addictive drugs. And for me, it was the hardest thing to quit. Now, I've never gotten heroin and all kinds of other shit, but Tobacco. It was a very hard thing for me to finally quit.

3:53:27Etienne FontanAnd it took years to finally say absolutely no.

3:53:31BubblemanFor me, it was an easy one not to start. Yes.

3:53:35Etienne FontanRight.

3:53:36BubblemanYeah. Lucky for you. I just fucking found it absolutely beyond disgusting.

3:53:40SpeakerBut your parents both smoked, right, Marcus?

3:53:42BubblemanKind of. My mom smoked when I was younger in the car type thing. My dad would like smoke a cigarillo or a cigar every once in a while. Like it was I wouldn't call him a smoker. Same with when I was probably like six or seven or maybe younger when my mom stopped smoking cigarettes. So for most of my life, my mom did not smoke cigarettes. And even my dad, I think he only picked up the cigar thing like years later when I was older and we weren't like in a car with the windows closed.

3:54:12BubblemanThat was the heinous shit right there. That's probably what made me so sensitive to it. I would just turn green and throw up. I remember the first time I had breakfast in Amsterdam in 95 and people were just like chuffing cigarettes. And I don't know what the Spanish people have gone through to cause them such trauma, but that's the only place that I also saw people lighting cigarettes off of their butts.

3:54:36BubblemanAnd Multiple times seeing a guy who accidentally lit two cigarettes before the other one was ready to be put out. So he was just smoking like both cigarettes. I was like, oh my God, this is fucking insane. Look, I don't mind if you smoke your thing over here, have a little, I just don't want to taste your addiction. You know what I mean? Like at a concert and stuff, like it's why I generally won't go to a concert and smoke like 10 big fat joints because guess what?

3:55:02BubblemanBelieve it or not, a lot of the people don't want to fucking smell it. Bring something strong and powerful that you can just rip in one little out the puff co blast out. This is great. Little mushroom gummy. Perfect. I just want to have a good time without affecting people in a negative way, the way I didn't care when I was younger and generally smoking ten like cigarettes in a row or smoking even ten joints in a row.

3:55:25BubblemanAlthough to me it smells much better. It's still a smoky kind of experience. It's like, well, hi.

3:55:34SpeakerAnd the history of our country is it's undeniable the influence that tobacco. So when explorers first came to the Virginia colonies and they first kind of discovered tobacco and then that got imported over to England as kind of like, ooh, see, this is why we have these colonies over in the new world because they're producing this tobacco. And I think most of the founding fathers, if not all of them, We're all tobacco farmers, right?

3:56:02SpeakerBecause it was a very important commodity in the 13 colonies to send back to Europe. Tobacco and hemp. That's right. It's interesting you mentioned that about Spain because again, remember Spain only was rivaled by England for casting its empire over in the new world, right? I mean, it was the Spanish who basically ran over Cortez, who ran over all the Aztecs and whatnot. But to go back to sort of like sensible regulation, so I think that's one of the reasons why tobacco kind of got the pass that it did In terms of regulation, because again, our country was founded by people who farm tobacco, right?

3:56:46SpeakerSo they didn't want to shoot themselves. And were drunk off their fucking ass the entire time. Thanks to Johnny Appleseed. They were also slave owners. So, you know, the guy Thomas Jefferson himself who penned, you know, in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal, right? But it's okay for me to have a bunch of indentured slaves, right? It just doesn't make any sense at all.

3:57:13SpeakerBut I think that's one of the reasons why tobacco And tobacco became a very powerful lobby against cannabis. I think people need to realize that, that every time they go to the 7-Eleven or wherever they go and buy their cigarettes, money are going to billion-dollar corporations that have a dog in the fight to keep cannabis good and prohibited. Think about that, cigarette smokers. They're relying on your habit to basically fill their coffers with billions of dollars.

3:57:42SpeakerThese are billion-dollar corporations, right? Billion-dollar corporations.

3:57:46Etienne FontanAnd they won't touch cannabis because their monopoly is on tobacco, and they are not going to mess up their reality, which is why they have focused on the international market since they've lost their focus. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

3:58:24SpeakerYeah, from talking to some manufacturers in our, in the cannabis industry, tobacco is on the sideline and they're waiting, I think, for regulation to kind of change a little bit to make this a little more hunky-dory. Because if you think about it, they have the production capacity. Oh, and we want to take a plant and make it into a plant. They got the distribution. But think about it.

3:58:49SpeakerThey have the grinders. They have the rollers. Yeah, everything.

3:58:53BubblemanMulti-million dollar rollers, dude.

3:58:56SpeakerEverything you need. All automated. Like the grammar that you showed early on. They probably have that thing in spades. They probably have the microgrammar, the multigrammar, the megagrammar, right? But you would think, again, that they would embrace this opportunity the same way kind of like alcohol would, but they don't, right?

3:59:19BubblemanThey will when it shifts.

3:59:21Etienne FontanThey don't want to waste the money and time. They'll let it take its own place.

3:59:25BubblemanBut once they lose enough market share in the things they're focused on, once they watch alcohol just continue to plummet in sales. Well, that's why they have a drink brand.

3:59:35Etienne FontanAlltria, which is the tobacco brand, they've got drinks and they've already been tasting the profits from that as they've watched the others dwindle. And they're getting, you know, I mean, those numbers are exponential in drinks and which is fascinating to watch the United States kind of fuck around with this, where you would think those types of lobbies would be flexing at the national level to make sure something happens by November.

4:00:05Etienne FontanI'm surprised to not see a more cohesive or they have a plan for their whole situation, which is to let the small people die out so that they can corner the market themselves with their, you know, their larger manipulations. I mean, literally St. Ides, I grew up on watching St. Ides, the malt liquor, which we used to buy at any convenience store is now no longer in malt liquor.

4:00:30Etienne FontanThey're exclusively in cannabis. They're an exclusive cannabis company now, St. Ives. I've never seen that.

4:00:38SpeakerI think what we're going to see in Dr. Jennifer Antonito's research, that was the person who's down in Florida who's looking at a study to say, can cannabis beverages be replacement for alcohol beverages? Because you're holding onto a cold can of stuff, you're pouring it into your body, and you're feeling some type of effect on it. I think the market, right, ATN has already shown that alcohol consumption is going down while these cannabis beverage consumption is going up.

4:01:12SpeakerI don't think that's a happy accident.

4:01:14Etienne FontanI think those two- And pharmaceuticals too. I mean, it's multiple large industries are feeling the pull of cannabis. It's literally in its own orbit and it's just pulling things in whether they want it or not. Sure.

4:01:30SpeakerBut I mean specifically to the beverage market sector. I'm sure you've seen this data too. They're showing that basically the popularity of cannabis or cannabinoid-based drinks is basically eating into the market share of big alcohol and big alcohol.

4:01:46BubblemanI would say all of cannabis is eating into the share of alcohol. Of which beverage are definitely a component.

4:01:54Etienne FontanA large chunk, yeah.

4:01:57BubblemanIt's definitely popular here in Canada.

4:01:58Etienne FontanBecause they have that, at least here in America, Marcus, which if you've seen, you know, I can get drinks down at BevMo up the street from me that I can't get in my own dispensary. Which is kind of crazy if you think about it. But that's the reality is there's so many diverse manufacturers, producers, regional producers, regional manufacturers. You know, now everybody that I know that is manufacturing and producing is now looking for their state to land in because if November comes and the law goes into effect, they have to be back in their 10th Amendment realities.

4:02:33Etienne FontanThere's no more interstate commerce. That shit's done. Thank you for joining us.

4:03:06Etienne FontanGeorgia, I don't know about Oklahoma. I know they're going to be shut out in Illinois. So you're already starting, you're going to see regional disappearance of products that the consumer has gotten used to. And what's unfortunate is you're going to see then that more of that, you know, bathtub gin type stuff start to make it and appear on its way. And our fear is, of course, harm done by people who are not good actors that are going to produce similar products.

4:03:39Etienne FontanAnd, you know, people will get hurt. We would prefer them all have these access, these legal products that are efficacious, safe, proven to be accessible. But now due to arbitrary ideas, numbers, and perceptions, the consumer doesn't really give a fuck about, they just want their product. But legality, DEA, and now... International law all get to combine and collide in a colossus way that affects the individual that they're going to be left wondering, well, I used to come and get this here in the refrigerator.

4:04:13Etienne FontanWhy is it no longer here?

4:04:16BubblemanYeah, well, hopefully that happens less. And what happens more is that the products that are on those shelves aren't like full of shit. They shouldn't be.

4:04:30Etienne FontanI want to be wrong.

4:04:31BubblemanIn the meantime, I have one minute left. I'm so excited to go potentially electric skateboarding with my son and then maybe take my wife to the gardening store, get some plants and some soil and some pots on Father's Day. Thank you for pot smoking. Yes, indeed. Thank you for pot smoking. Shout out to Skully Vibes for this mood mat. It's my all-time favorite. Low temp and Skully Vibes.

4:04:58BubblemanLike, look at that. That's sweet, dude. I like the dancing, the rosin star there.

4:05:04Etienne FontanHell yeah, dude. Nobody captures the scene like he does.

4:05:15BubblemanThanks to Puff Co. Thanks to the Press Club. Thank you guys for the support. Thank you guys for showing up. And we'll see you next week. Thank you, Israel, for coming in and laying down some heavy goodness for us on Hash Church. I feel like I learned shit today.

4:05:32Etienne FontanI've been thinking about that for a while, dog.

4:05:34BubblemanI'm going to be talking about it, dude. I'm going to go talk to people that don't even know about it in my neighborhood.

4:05:40Etienne FontanThe positives, the negatives. I mean, there's all kinds of interesting ethical quandaries that come with this, right? Absolutely.

4:05:48SpeakerI had to share it. I couldn't keep it for myself. No, no.

4:05:52BubblemanThank you. We need more good people at Hash Church. If you guys haven't noticed, anytime you can help out with that, it would be greatly appreciated. So thank you, Dr. Marcus.

4:06:01SpeakerMaybe one of the things I'd like to do maybe for a future episode is let's try to get a doctor's episode. You know, we have a network of cannabis doctors and clinicians who see. We just did Dr. Peter Grinspoon on our thing.

4:06:15Etienne FontanYeah, let's get some doctors on and let's hear about and some nurses, too, because sure, absolutely. Just did her study on cannabis use disorder and a nurse for each doctor. Isn't that how it works? You know, well, they're just all pushing different frontiers and using their expertise and their lineage to move the needle forward because these nurses and doctors are also writing books on the issue for other nurses and doctors, right?

4:06:44Etienne FontanFrontliners.

4:06:46BubblemanAll right, well, so that's in the queue. You heard it here first. May the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. I am out of here. Thanks for watching, everybody.

4:06:56SpeakerHappy Father's Day, everybody.

4:06:57BubblemanYes, happy Father's Day.

4:06:58SpeakerHappy Dad's Day, y'all. Call your dad.

4:07:02BubblemanI wish I could.

4:07:04SpeakerI wish I could, too. I wish you could, too. I love you guys both. Happy Father's Day. Be safe. Be safe.