Denver Trip, New Alkaloids and Cannabis Healing

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0:44BubblemanThere we go. There we go. So we're going to go back to record. All right. Okay, guys. Thanks, everyone, for showing up here today. Ads are starting. Deletions need to be happening. Welcome to Hash Church, everybody. Season 12, Episode 3. I am back from Denver, Colorado, and it is on. Hash Church. Yeah, here we go. Love to shout out the sponsors. If you notice for the first time, I have my sponsorships on the front avatar thumbnail photo.

1:19BubblemanI want to thank all you hardcores for showing up today and yeah, just being here nice and early. I'm going to shout out our sponsors here real quick. So bear with me as I do like to put up their logos. I feel that that's always got a certain level of professionalism. We're going to start with the Press Club because they're awesome. Let me just find this real quick because I have so many different ones.

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5:18BubblemanI see Chimera has popped into the room. Welcome brother. How are you doing this morning?

5:23Ryan Dank AfI'm good. I was just thinking as you're going over the sponsors, it's interesting. It is history now, right? Like this whole resin culture, not resin culture, but rosin culture has really developed over 15, 20 years. And yeah, all those guys are playing a role. I mean, we didn't have this stuff 20 years ago.

5:43BubblemanNo, it's wild, you know, how Chadwick came out with rosin back in like 08 or whenever it was initially, but it just wasn't the right way. The whole boiling the silver bowl and milking the resin by rubbing it around the warm metal bowl with the spoon until you're just left with a little ball of waxy membranes and the oil would sleep off onto the sides and then you could scrape it up with a, I mean, when we first saw that, Particularly the photos of the pile of rosin and he lit it in five different places with a lighter and got this incredible Clear domes all over it.

6:25BubblemanIt was a mind-numbing picture, but for whatever reason, and who can understand why, it never took off. It just never took off. Rosin was dormant for years, you know, like eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, six or seven years it was dormant for. And then Soil Grown. And it was kind of neat because I used to watch Nicotine slap the bubble hash in the parchment. And close the parchment and he'd hit it with a with a hair straightener.

6:53BubblemanHe'd open it up and he'd have flags. So he'd take his dabber and he'd kind of cut through the dabber kind of like in a tic tac toe way. And then you could just tap down with a dabber like this right on top, lift it up and you'd have what we called a flag. Right. A decent sized dab that would go on to the thing. And that's what Soil Grown had been inspired to do.

7:16BubblemanWelcome, Colin, to be pressing hash into flags. And he'd been doing it so much that he ran out of hash. And it was as simple as his brain just was like, you should put a bud And it's those things where if we can put aside feeling and looking like an idiot and do something that makes no sense whatsoever to the current situation we're living in,

7:47BubblemanYou can innovate and create something absolutely unbelievable. And this is why my mission and message has been consistent over the 12 years of Hash Church. Don't be afraid to make mistakes. The biggest value is not in shining and winning and being on the podium every two minutes and being the... The champion, the real value is being the fuck up and making mistakes. And in that, if your ego doesn't get too crushed, because it is crushing, there's real novelty to be discovered.

8:20Ryan Dank AfThere is. Well, that's the beauty part of the cannabis journey is finding those little parts that are unexplored. Right. And just it's a little bit of a discovery that nothing, you know, that maybe we didn't know about. And that little thing has grown into a whole culture. Right. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty cool to have watched it. And it's all about, you know, it's all about getting differently high or purifying or having some different kind of product.

8:52Ryan Dank AfYou know, when I was going through David's stuff over in Holland helping Diana clean things out, I found a hair straightener, right?

8:59BubblemanOh my God. And it's not Diana's.

9:03Ryan Dank AfNo, it wasn't. It was just an example of like, you know, anytime that he saw something new, he was like, I have to try that. Right. And yeah, there's points in time. I mean, he got to a certain point in time where he was running out of his high quality resins, right? Like the stuff that they'd been growing at Horta Farm. And he was always trying to find a way to refine the stuff that he had that maybe wasn't top grade or, you know, find that those top grade experiences when he didn't have it.

9:37Ryan Dank AfSo it's, it's funny how that stuff spreads. Yeah, absolutely.

9:44Collin PalmerI love what you're saying, Marcus, and same with you, Ryan. I think mistakes is sometimes where you do find the magic. And I think in the music world, we yearn for that. And many times in exploration of playing music with other humans, you will be out of sync for minutes on end. Like minutes on end. And then all of a sudden it just clicks. And I heard either Mike Gordon or somebody talking about this the other day.

10:16Collin PalmerAnd he was saying, you know, in the middle of the night, they'll be in the middle of a jam and there's everything's wrong. And they're all looking at each other like, dude, we're, you know, right. They're riding on the high hat of the drummer trying to figure it out in the middle of the night. And then it just clicks right. Three and a half minutes after they're like, fuck.

10:35Collin PalmerAnd that moment becomes the best moment of the night. And we all remember that moment because it just kind of set in perfectly.

10:44BubblemanIt falls into the pocket.

10:46Collin PalmerYeah. And they allow themselves to get out of their own way almost, right? And that's what you were talking about, that cognitive dissonance. It's relying on your instinct, right? Like Soil Grown, you said very beautifully with Soil Grown, you're just relying on instinct, right? Thank you for joining us.

11:26Collin PalmerAnd you allow yourself just to be and see what happens. And I know that I, through my life and my career, and I think all this year, have sort of found this. And sometimes when you can just get out of your own way, it just works. You know, and that's, I think, the best thing that anyone in this universe could ever take away is, you know, as much as you may know, you just don't know.

11:51Collin PalmerAnd you just have to go and try. And see what happens. And I think that's such a wonderful thing to be able to do and reflect on. And it's sometimes hard to recognize when you see other people doing all this amazing stuff, you sort of forget these things. And I think that's a wonderful thing to talk about here is persistence and believing in yourself and not overthinking all the stuff.

12:19Collin PalmerBecause there's a lot of stuff.

12:21BubblemanYou can't fail if you don't give up. That's what I've learned. Or if you don't try.

12:25Collin PalmerRight? Yeah. So, yeah. I'll just leave that there. But I love what you guys are talking about because it goes in so many ways throughout life. And it's not just about cannabis at some point. It does become about your everyday. You know, like every thought programs the next action kind of mentality, you know? So...

12:45Ryan Dank AfPeople follow too. Like they look at what other people are doing and they, they compares that whole thing. Like comparison is the theft of joy, right? It's like, oh, I don't have what that person has, but it's like, you know, there's a, there's, I don't know if you know the Robert Frost poem, two roads diverged into a woods and I took the path less traveled and that has made all the difference.

13:05Collin PalmerI do. Yeah. It's a great quote. And it's so true. I mean, you know, just a couple of things came into my mind, just as you said, that is like, you know, You have to recognize that survival bias is real. What worked for them may not actually work for you, even though you did the same thing. Like, they just don't know why, and that's okay, right? And it's based, like, it's sometimes advice I find is based off of survival bias.

13:33Collin PalmerIt's not really a system or something they can explain. And that happens a lot. I get asked all the time, like, what works? And it's, I have to remind them, you're going to have to build your own journey. And it's what worked for all of us repeated may not work at all. You know, and that's something that we all have to realize is like, it is a lot of things, a lot of opinions that are flawed, you know, and it's not because they're or we are so bad.

14:04Collin PalmerIt's just because it's just the universe. And it's such a deep conversation. I don't want to go off in the woods on it, but it's really important to highlight this because I get asked all the time, like, why did this work and why doesn't it work now? Whether it be hash making or business or growing or whatever. And, you know, I can't sit here and say that we're all magicians, right?

14:30Collin PalmerAnd it's part of what back to the point what you just said with Frost. It's like you got to try and you got to try things that are going to make you feel uncomfortable. And that's the beauty of hash making and growing cannabis. Like how uncomfortable do you get in the middle of the IPM pressure moment? Pretty uncomfortable. You know, but you got to try stuff to figure it out.

14:50Collin PalmerAnd, you know, because these strategies work for us and they don't work for you, you know, there's a lot to think about there. But it's such a cool, I don't know, I just really love what you guys were talking about.

15:01Ryan Dank AfSo we were talking about original thought a few episodes ago and Mark wasn't here. But, you know, to me, I think there is original thought. Right. And It comes back to that thing that David used to say, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, right? Like evolution and ideas are built upon other people's experience, right? It's like we learn from other people and then we iterate and we do something new.

15:29Ryan Dank AfAnd that's what I said was Dr. Mark's kind of quote, that's the aha moment, right? That's where you like synthesize two other pieces of information that somebody else doesn't. Thank you for joining us.

15:57Ryan Dank AfYou know that that has since evolved again, but that's the way that evolution happens. It's incremental. It's like little bits of ideas that we take from other things that we've seen, and we synthesize them together to come up with something new and different. And that's the stuff of life. Like that's the stuff that makes life worth living, right?

16:15BubblemanAbsolutely. We're all rungs in the ladder, you know, like I got to do something and kind of hit the timing a little bit better than everyone before me. But I believe every single person before me was equally as important in the journey to bring water hash and bubble hash and all these different sort of techniques and processes. I mean, would we have rosin if we didn't have bubble hash?

16:39BubblemanWould anyone have, you know, like... Rob, Bubble Hash led us to the door of Rawson twice. It led us to the door when Chadwick, aka Compassion, did it on ICMAG in 07-08. And then it led us to the door when Soil Grown decided that he was out of hash to make flags. And he just put a little bud right in the parchment and give it a little, you know, what's it?

17:03BubblemanSo it's incredible. It's our community. Sometimes people feel a little insecure. It's unfortunate. I think I've mentioned this before. The authenticity of your experience is the value that you bring to this world. So by diluting it, by rewriting it, by changing the history or the narrative, you do yourself a great injustice. And it's only the insecurity of your brain that thinks I didn't do enough. I'm not an important enough rung.

17:28BubblemanIt's like, well, are any of the ladder rungs more important than the other? Have you ever stood on one and been like, oh, this is the one. Those other five, you know, they were okay, but this one is amazing. It's like, no, we're all the same. We're a little stepping stone to go a little bit higher and a little bit higher. And I'll be honest, I got pretty lucky with my timing.

17:49BubblemanYou had Ed and Neville and Skunk Man Sam and Reinhard Delp and Mila and Elden and Mark Rose and all of these pretty dynamic, incredible, super freak people were all a part of it before I jumped on board. My timing was just a little more unique and I got lucky. And I think probably, you know, aside from maybe Reinhardt, I don't think any of the other people ahead of me had the passion burning like I did.

18:22BubblemanSo, you know, Sam, Sam was always already smoking Fomal Bubble. Like he told me when they learned the water hash thing, he was like, meh. You know what I mean? It wasn't like it rocked and changed his world. He liked it because it was different and he's always got his finger or thumb on the pulse of what's going on in our industry-dash community, but it didn't blow him away.

18:41BubblemanLike, so now I've got wet resin and I've got to dry it. In the meantime, I've got pure 99.9% heads sitting over here that I, you know... Thank you for watching.

19:10BubblemanWith passion to be like, I'm going to create this. And if you if you can understand the first one who brought passion to the table, Reinhard Delp, he created the ice cold extractor of which the bags were invented off of. That's how Eldon came up with the bag idea, how Mark named them, how Mila started selling them. And it's certainly what I saw my experience with the isolator bags led into the the the bubble bag.

19:38BubblemanSo. Yeah, it's a long journey that I could have gone the wrong way anytime. And I think the only reason I really did go the right way is because I was allowing the authenticity of my passion to shine. And I think that's kind of what we're all looking to do.

19:54Ryan Dank AfRight. You wanted to find out why some melted, some didn't. Can we fractionize it down? You were doing it online on Overgrow. I mean, you were quite active on Overgrow around that time. A lot of people bought the bags. They told you what were wrong with them. You reiterate, you iterated on them. Right. You made the work bag. We went from like, you know, hand mixing to kitchen blenders to washing machines.

20:20Ryan Dank AfAnd it was just like a slow iteration process. But every little step got us closer to bring to making full melts or high enough grade rosins or resins that can be made into rosins possible.

20:33BubblemanYeah. Well, before I even did the washing machines, that was Dave that called me up. He said, listen, Mila's doing these washing machines. You got to do them too. And I was like, what? So I looked up an advertisement and I saw her washing machine and it was the bubble later. I've told this story before. I'll make it cliff note style. And I was like, fuck, like that was the first time she kind of used the name bubble.

20:56BubblemanAnd the only reason I named it bubble was not to try and create my own thing. It wasn't to to be like, oh, my thing's different. And I just wanted to respect that isolator already existed. And anyone that knows me knows that's the truth. I didn't want to call it isolator. Could I have called it isolator because it was already a little bit known? Of course, could have been the total shit bag and just done that.

21:19BubblemanBut instead, I was like. I'll call it bubble. It'll be fine. And so when she took that name and called it the bubble later, just right away, I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to call mine the bubble now. And I'm going to say, why bubble later when you can bubble now? And I actually took out full page advertisements in High Times and Cannabis Culture and Red Eye Magazine and Weed World.

21:42BubblemanAnd it was just a picture of this yellow washer right there. That yellow washer, the bubble later. I just had a sticker on it. And it was funny. Like, it was like, you know, even the magazines were like, dude, that's so good. Like, I'm sorry. Like, we don't see a ton of the beefs kind of popping up in the ads of our, you know, it was a little bit of a, it was kind of a little bit of a hip hop beef that I was thinking when I saw it.

22:09BubblemanYou know, when I saw that name, I was like, fucking, she's going to use mine. bubble later but i thought you know what english isn't her first language and she's not looking at that as you know let's just bubble later so to me the bubble now just made total sense she helped me name it but i would have never done those washing machines without skunk man sam calling me up and saying you got to do the washing machines when he said that i was like okay great i'm on it right now i'll do it you know i didn't even know what the washing machines were i didn't know what they looked like It was quite funny.

22:43BubblemanPeople keep telling us that your mic is a little bit low, Ryan. If you can hold it a little closer, maybe just talk a little bit louder. I can hear you okay, but... You know what I'll do?

22:52Ryan Dank AfI'll pop off and I'll get my external mic. All right.

22:55BubblemanI'll come back soon. Shout out to Craig in the chat room from Alpenglow Farms. Can't wait to come down to California and smoke your Jack Herrera. Shout out to Caleb who turned me on to that Jack Herrera in rosin form in Las Vegas. Dude, I wish I would have seen you in Denver recently. I spent the last five days in Denver and it was awesome. Like, I am very impressed with Denver.

23:19SpeakerYou look like you had a blast.

23:21BubblemanI did, dude. Everyone's so nice and such an amazing group. I miss being around a dynamic group of cannabis aficionados like that. Vancouver used to be that. There were so many of us that were just like... At the top of the game, just rocking and rolling. We've dispersed incredibly and I haven't been in a city. It almost reminded me, you know, even a little bit of Amsterdam, even though it's nothing like Amsterdam, just in regards to how many people are operational in cannabis, how many stores, How many fucking hash makers, how many growers, how many real just lovers of the plant, the glass blowing community.

24:00BubblemanI've missed that. We used to have an incredibly large glass community here when Slinger and Brian and Hippo and all those amazing glass blowers were here. So seeing that I went to Evergreen Studios and I met up with Matt Robertson. I did his actually shout out to Matt Robertson, the magical menagerie. What an incredible glassblower. He's actually got a really cool podcast system. You know, he's kind of doing it real style where the person sits across from you.

24:30BubblemanIt's one on one. It's questions. He's got the microphones. He's got all the dabs and we smoked some hash hits and. Just really was impressed with Matt and his whole situation. The guy's crushing it. Such a good dude. Fellow Canadian. And then I went and visited Alex Ubatuba, who is just really quite an impressive glassblower. In fact, I will show a little bit of Matt and Alex's products because why not?

25:00BubblemanI mean... It's definitely worth checking out. I had removed all the photos and then I put them all back into my computer here, my iPhoto, because I had removed them all. But let's go through a little bit of Matt's work. For those of you that aren't familiar, he does the zebras and he does, I think that's an elbow right next to him there. He does the giraffes.

25:24BubblemanObviously, that's a big part of his work. I think that's an AK head that he's done a collab with on the cow. Another AK. Really just spectacularly unique glass pipes that you're just like, dude, what the fuck? How did you even think of doing that? Of course, I love the Rams, the Goats. I'm Aries, so that's kind of my symbol. This pipe was amazing. We didn't hit it, but if you watch his podcast, what's his name?

25:57BubblemanYOLO. He hit it. He smokes out of it on the podcast recently. This is a little vase. You can't understand how perfect the welds and the work is when you hold it. It just is so on point. The quality of the glass. This was another glass blower that he had collected, I believe from Australia, soft glass. Yeah, just super top notch work. Glass, that was a collaboration that he did.

26:27BubblemanI think that's him with Alchemist in the background. Cool to be able to hold them in your hands. You know, all of these incredible collaborations. And I really like that picture with the shadow in the background. He had some cordyceps on his counter as well. There's mushrooms everywhere in Colorado. Everyone is growing mushrooms. This was us playing dice. So Dante is his videographer in the far right there with the dreads.

26:53BubblemanMatt's got the Tafari shirt, my partner Ted next to him, and my partner Dan about to roll the dice with them in his hand. So really cool studio, artistically done, art everywhere, pool table, you know, the whole nine yards. And just, I mean, how fucking cool is this class? It's just so fucking cool. So yeah, this here's the podcast room. I thought it was really, really nice.

27:22BubblemanDenver, sorry, Evergreen in the background, you know, mountains and whatnot. And just, yeah, I had a great time. We really did. Oh, that's the new... All in one. I also wanted to share a little bit of Alex's work because we went and saw him as well. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Alex Ubatuba, but this guy is a consummate artist. He is a true artist.

27:46BubblemanAnd I'm not taking anything away from the glass blowers who are really focused on pipes because they are absolute artists. But This guy's just on a different level. He's pushing boundaries. When he pulled this pain pull out of his kiln, I held my breath. That's how long and delicate and glassy it was as he pulled it out of this like stone fucking kiln. You know, you touch glass anywhere and you've got damage.

28:14BubblemanYou've got a break. So it's not just the blowing of the glass. It's everything that he does in between. Is a complete and total danger. It's a total and complete risk of the artistic value of which he has blood, sweat and teared into this piece of glass. This is kind of a jellyfish that he was going to be doing. This is another piece that he showed us.

28:37BubblemanJust really cool non-pipe work that's just almost pleasing for the eye to look at. This piece blew my mind. It was about nine feet tall. You can see the quality of it. It's worked in with LED lights. Every piece is inserted into the base. He told me he moved this nine separate times. I believe he brought it to Burning Man. He can maybe one day I'll have him on and he can confirm or deny that.

29:04BubblemanImagine pulling all of these glass pieces out and putting them into cases to travel to another place to open them up and put them into. This is nine times he moved this, which is about. Thank you so much for joining us.

29:42BubblemanSteve Bates reminded me of Jason Lee, reminded me of Ham. These are glass blowers that are pushing boundaries. They're trying to do things that are beyond and above. And so he's got a bottom light that he puts onto this thing. And you can see it absolutely transforms it into a fully psychedelic experience. I mean, Dr. Mark, imagine halfway through a fish show, you walk out into the...

30:08BubblemanInto the area and you see this just sitting there. I feel like 100 people would be staring at it like zombies. Incredible glasswork. I loved this one. Really beautiful piece. I went up nice and close on this one because I thought it was so trippy. And the closer I got, the more it looked like a microscopic image of something just oh so cool. You can see the quality of the glass.

30:34BubblemanYou can see the absolute perfection in everything this guy's done. He of course does phytoplankton, right? These are the things that live in our ocean. These are the skeletons of phytoplankton that produce, I want to say 80% of the oxygen. You guys, Mark, Chimera, you're smarter than me. You probably know, but trees do not produce all the oxygen on planet earth. Phytoplankton produces the majority of the oxygen on earth.

31:00BubblemanAnd here he is creating the skeletons of phytoplankton out of glass, which of course, He's using uranium. So when he's got, this is with the light on it, and this is without the light on it. So the uranium glass, of course, glows under a black light. And yeah, just really super, super cool artistic designs. I was absolutely blown away by all of it. Even his little pendants, the Wook sign that he made, because he takes borosilicate and he makes actual, Thank you for joining us today.

31:57BubblemanAnd we may bring them on as well to New Mexico. These are fatty little hash pipes, weed pipes, actually. How about this, guys? I smoked out of a pipe like this five times at Alex's site. Packed with weed. I was smoking weed bowls. And not only did I smoke weed bowls, at one point in time I was at this place, Tetra, and a girl passed me a giant two-foot glass bong full of weed, which I didn't even smoke while I was smoking weed, and I smoked that too.

32:29Collin PalmerSo how'd it feel?

32:32BubblemanI will say the bowls of weed were great. I've enjoyed the joints. The bong rip, I really didn't enjoy. It was a bit sharp. It was a little bit too much. It was a little bit hot on my throat. I think I have many joints to smoke before I go back to bong reps. This is a good one that shows the difference between no lights. And the black light.

32:55BubblemanSo this is real uranium glowing. I mean, fuck it. That shit wasn't encased in glass. That is some serious, serious uranium green right there. And there's a better shot where he's got the light directly on. Go ahead. Oh, thought someone was going to say something. This one's super trippy. The one he's holding in his hand, the red one, it's basically a Tesla coil. So the one that's blue and yellow behind, he just puts this fucking thing near it.

33:28BubblemanWhen he takes it away, the light goes out. When he pushes it about six inches towards it, it picks up Tesla energy in the air And the light infuses the tube. This tube in his hand is not attached to the light. So we wanted to kind of show the value of Tesla energy and how it's all in the air by just putting one of those close. And I wish I would have done a video because as you look at the fucking look on Alex's face, first of all, is this not a fucking amazing childlike mind who is creating these experiences?

34:04BubblemanLike, look at the honesty and the just... All right, let's get into it.

34:26BubblemanJust completely blew my mind. And I visited first Matt. He's got his own space. I visited Alex. He has his own space. And then I went and visited kind of the evergreen studio where you Sheen and Nate Myers and WCG and Adam and all of these glassblowers Our blowing. So I didn't get as much photos of the last one when I when I hit Evergreen because we were puffing so hard.

34:53BubblemanHad really great experiences with these guys. But I will see if I can find a couple of pictures because I went back there later. So, yeah, here we go. This is a piece by you, Sheen. Oops, just let me share it. I almost turned the recording off. Here we go. Little piece by Yushin. Photos do not do it justice. It was absolutely fucking bonkers. This dude, there's Yushin right there.

35:21BubblemanThis is a 360 degree glass blowing table that they have in the middle of their studio. They have a bunch of stuff on the outside. You can see Homie in the background on the lathe. There's a bunch of people talking right at the entrance before Homie's on his lathe right there. But yeah, truly an incredible experience to head over to this spot. And you can kind of see this is one of the pieces that got pulled out.

35:46BubblemanI wish I knew all the glass blowers that were on this, but this was kind of one of the headier pieces that was pulled out during our session. And we hit a Nate Myers AK collab. That is like a six foot crystal piece. Amethyst Wall, that's got, you know, Jerry, and it's really their homage to all things Hashish. I should get a Bubble Man little sticker up there eventually.

36:12BubblemanThere's the classic photo of entering the studio, Evergreen Studio. You can see the hood that goes over this is just a fucking spaceship. And I can only imagine what it's like being in there when five or six or seven glass blowers are on every torch all the way around that unit. Just creating art. I don't know why, but I have always had this. I think glass and hash go together like peanut butter and jam.

36:42BubblemanAnd I'm surprised that more of the hash community doesn't link up and do things with the glass community while we were there. We found an absolutely incredible venue. I got to see my good buddy, Adam Dunn, who I hadn't seen in quite a while. Adam, that was my son taking hockey shots there. I went and saw Adam and I went and saw the most beautiful space. I'm not going to ruin it by showing it because I want it to be like shared.

37:11BubblemanBut if you saw my Instagram recently and you saw me come up the elevator with the Puffco, That's the elevator in his space. It looks like a chalet, ski chalet mansion. And it's in downtown Denver. Super nondescript green door. You walk in and it's just, it blew my mind. Adam was like, this is going to be the spot, like the spot, T-H-E, capital letters. I've known Adam for about 30 years and I thought, fuck, if he's saying it's the spot, like it's probably going to be pretty good.

37:42BubblemanI'm telling you, the place blew my mind. I could not believe how beautiful it was. All hardwood floors, wood beams, epic, perfect furniture. He bought massive tables for 40 person sessions, kitchen that's like 25 to 30 feet long with a huge island and seats and six burner stove. And he had He had four drawers that pulled out four separate ones that were refrigerators. Imagine that for a Legends of Hash.

38:08BubblemanEveryone keeping the hash cold, cold supply chain right there at Legends. So we're really looking at potentially doing a Legends of Hash, but I also talked to the glassblowers and I thought, how cool would it be if it was a Legends of Hash slash Legends of Glass? You know, we are not the legends of hash. I will say that in the first place. Sam and I were always celebrating Babacoo, the Garden of Kufur.

38:34BubblemanYou know, the next legends we will celebrate will probably be Skunk Man Sam, regardless of where it happens, because he is now a legend. But we never considered ourselves the legends. We had people like those guys are so full of themselves. That being said. I will say that if we do a Legends of Glass, the glassblowers will be the legends. You know, these guys are pretty legendary in what they've been doing and they live this very almost difficult artistic life.

39:01BubblemanAny artist out there knows that being an artist is not an easy thing. I think when the black market bottom fell out, Thank you so much for joining us.

39:35BubblemanBut they had a $50,000 piece and that was thanks to, you know, the black market pricing of cannabis and the trade value of said products. So pretty cool little, little trip. I'm sure we'll go back to some more pictures down the way, but bottom line, Denver is hella cool. I couldn't actually believe it. I got to see some of my own melt for the first time. So we've got Bubble Man Full Melt coming to the market in Denver here in the very near future.

40:03BubblemanThis was a little bit of the... Thank you so much for joining us.

40:30BubblemanYou know, like, I think you guys can attest that is a six star bubble hash. Like, look at that fucking grease. So that brought me great pride. Obviously, bringing melt to the market is not an easy feat. It's definitely fairly difficult. We've got some great partners down there, some great hashes, brick hash, all sorts of fun things. I got a little bit of the brick hash that we did here.

40:57BubblemanI'll show you guys just because why not? It's fun. This is a tiny little, I think it's a three or a four gram piece of brick hash. It was cool to get into the lab and show my partner in there. He'd been kind of, you know, in his defense, making hash in Denver is different. you know there's literally no moisture whatsoever so when you make dry sift when you make bubble hash drying it isn't going to be a problem moisture is not going to be causing you a problem i can't picture a lot of people in denver failing microbial i really just can't because the the dryness is absolutely next level and so when i made Some dry sift and then turned it into some traditional style hash.

41:42BubblemanI definitely noticed some different things. That being said, when I did my SOPs, specifically the ones that I had showed my partner who had changed them ever so slightly, You know, he changed them and his hash was a little bit harder. That was the picture of that hash you saw. I made a couple of kilos with him the other day and he hit me up yesterday and he said, that hash is so much softer than what I've been making.

42:05BubblemanAnd it's kind of an important factor when you're making traditional hash. A lot of people think you can just do the process and take bubble or whatever and press it. Well, you're going to end up with rocks. Like they're going to be as hard as a rock. And part of the the the attraction of traditional hash is making sure that it's soft. You don't want it to be hard at the end.

42:26BubblemanSo the real trick is getting it soft. And that's what I did when I was out there. So we've got our traditional hash in the market. We've got our hash hits. Which I must have given away 100 or 200, which felt amazing to see people crack them open, ask what they are, start smoking them and be like, that's super fucking cool. I haven't really gotten that feedback, you know, the way Denver gave it to me.

42:47BubblemanWe got all in one live hash rosin. We've got live hash rosin. We've got bubble hash and full melt bubble hash coming to market really soon. And we're about to do temple balls there as well. Traditional hash is almost non-existent in Denver. There's very few people doing it. So we are Thank you so much for joining us.

43:26BubblemanWe went, me and Dan went and had a beautiful, really beautiful meal. I mean, it was substantial. I guess I could probably share that as well because it's nice to share things. But I was amazed at how good the food was. It was all farm to table. It was all grass fed beef. You know, it was like Ian's super conscious. So he made sure that that's where he sort of found himself.

43:48BubblemanThis was my meal right here. And it was not a halibut. It was a mahi mahi tuna from Hawaii. And man, it was delicious. Anyway, we had to get out of there by 630 because Dion Saunders was coming to, to, I guess, promote college or high school football. So young kids were going there that he was going to try and, you know, hire to play high school football.

44:17BubblemanAnd Ian was kind of giving me the download that, you know, he rolls up and I didn't even know who Dion Saunders was just, just for your information. I had no idea. Apparently he's a famous football player and he teaches high school football and he gets paid $18 million to coach high school football. And he rolled up in the Lambo and he was making jokes. He's like, oh, Dion's probably in the back right now.

44:37BubblemanJust, you know, like chuffing one down. Super cool. All around just place as we're leaving all these college sort of high school football guys are coming in. And I just, I am, I can't reiterate how excited and how grateful I am to come to America. It is amazing to me. I guess I'm seeing that like grateful, you know, the person that immigrates to the US and they're just so fucking grateful.

45:02BubblemanAnd then the person that lives there is like, I got a shout out miners melts who brought some of the

45:29BubblemanBest fucking hash to our gatherings as well as his homie Jack, who had this fresh pressed honey bananas that was absolutely orgasmic. I can't even tell you how many amazing dabs I had. I probably gave away 10 or 15 grams when I got on the plane, as well as, you know, five or six packs of mushroom gummies, five or six mushroom chocolate bars. Shout out to Santi.

45:54BubblemanWho is my good friend, Ruben Valenveras, who does the NIR thing. He's got a partnership with a guy in Colorado who does psychedelic mushrooms. And so we went and visited him. I was so impressed with his chocolates that he did. These are his chocolates right here. This is like about 0.3 of a gram per square. It's an eighth of mushrooms in this chocolate. And his whole facility was just super on point, really clean.

46:24BubblemanThis is a lab that he's got all of his liquid cultures in. This was a couple of bags he pulled off the shelf to open for us. I think this one was White Hillbilly or White Billy and the other one was Hillbilly or something like that. But these were the two. They were massive, like beautiful flushes of mushrooms. So I really didn't realize just how legal psychedelics and mushrooms are, but The entire state of Colorado is definitely tripping on mushrooms.

46:55BubblemanEveryone has them and it's not... Like a ton of people are doing massive doses, although I did meet one guy who does 10 gram doses and then monitors the data and all of this stuff. But I was happy with the 0.2 mushrooms, 0.2 of a gram of mushrooms. That would give you a nice vibe for about 30 minutes. And I'd eat maybe two or three of those over the course of an evening and not really trip out on mushrooms.

47:22BubblemanIt was awesome. I really can't believe how on the ball Denver is, I will be back. I think I'm going to go back next month, actually. And there's just a lot of great stuff. I want to start planning a Legends of Hash there in the near future. And hopefully it would be a great place to meet a bunch of churchers, you know, to have this building, in fact, that I want to do the Legends in would be an incredible place for us to go a bunch, buy a bunch of mics and boards and Figure out doing a hash church with like five or six or seven of us in the same room.

47:58BubblemanI really was inspired by Matt Robertson's podcast. I said, man, dude, I'm really, you know, not envious, but inspired that you've got such a beautiful thing going on here. And he didn't even know about hash church. So I kind of was like, well, if I can check hash church out, dude, like we've been doing it for 12 years. He was like 12 years. Holy shit. I've just been doing it for six.

48:17BubblemanAnd I'm like, and you've been doing a very good job of it. He steps out a little bit from the cannabis industry compared to us. He had a guitar maker that sells $20,000 acoustic guitars on the other day. He's got well-known comedians. He's made pipes for Joe Rogan and Tony, Kill Tony and all those kind of wild comedian guys. All in all, two thumbs up on my trip to Denver.

48:41BubblemanI won't go on and on forever. Let's have a puff. But Denver was awesome.

48:46Collin PalmerIt's great to hear, man. Yeah, Denver is awesome. And I love it. I think it's a great place. Shout out to everybody out there. It's in Boulder too, man. I mean, you remember we were chatting, you're going to go, did you make it up to Boulder?

48:58Bubblemanyeah i went to boulder dude yeah i went to boulder to see these two growers and i wish i could remember their names these guys are growing they got busted during covid they had everything taken away they beat the case but all their kept gone so they had to start with nothing they went i went to their grow and these guys just grow fresh frozen they had about 40 deep freezers in the facility and every one of them they just Oh, check this out.

49:25BubblemanIt's Bubba Kush. Oh, check this one out. It's they had so many different cultivars, all fresh frozen. They smoked some of their fresh frozen pie. Paya was one of them. It was really delicious, really well expressed. These guys were young guys who are growing flour only for hash making. And I didn't meet a ton of guys like that in Denver. There's a lot of, you know, people like, oh, it's hard to get good trim because they put it into pre-rolled joints.

49:51BubblemanAnd I was like, No, like what? It's like, yeah, there's lots of people doing that sort of thing. So it was it was nice to meet people at that highest order that were just like, look, dude, we're just trying to make hash. And so we kind of linked up with them and we're going to be buying some fresh frozen from them for the Bubble Man brand. We're definitely intent on promoting the people who Who power the brand more than the brand itself?

50:15BubblemanI mean, everyone knows who I am. No big deal. We're doing it. But we want to kind of give back and really promote the idea that, you know, whether we're doing we even kind of hinted at some collaboration deals with black market guys that are not in the legal market. We thought, well, what if we got some clones from you, brought them to our greenhouse? Thanks for watching.

50:52BubblemanThey were really open to it, you know, and these are guys that do not operate in the legal market. So it was kind of a neat way to see like, well, maybe we can promote black market hash makers and we can promote the farms that are powering the resin in the first place. Because listen, making the hash, it's great and all, but growing the weed and finding the cultivars and doing the breeding is God's work.

51:16Collin PalmerYeah. And collaboration's the best, man. That's when the magic happens, as you know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

51:23BubblemanIt really does. Super stoked for now. I got back. I went and hit Whistler yesterday and now it's one day off. Actually, it isn't. There's a dinner tonight, a networking dinner tonight, pre-Grow Up. Tomorrow, my buddy Merlin is doing like a 27 person private five course dinner for Grow Up. So I'll be over there filming a little bit and getting some pictures for those of you that don't remember Merlin.

51:46BubblemanGetting baked with Merlin, getting cooked with Merlin. I had a show with him. He's an incredible friend, incredible hash maker, total fucking tabernacle, Quebecois, Frenchie, and just love him to bits. An amazing guy. And he's going to be making us a really nice meal. The next day, 2021, or sorry, 19, 2021. Yeah, that's actually today I have my dinner. Tomorrow is Merlin's dinner, which is also Grow Up.

52:12BubblemanAnd then Grow Up is for the next two days after that till the 21st. Which I'm excited. I'll be speaking there. Ryan will be speaking there. What are you speaking about? You're doing a presentation, aren't you, Ryan? Oh, you're muted.

52:28Ryan Dank AfI'm doing a breeding presentation. They asked me to speak. Kevin asked me to speak on the genetics day and do a half an hour, 35 minute kind of chat on breeding, how to do essentially breeding program and challenges.

52:42BubblemanThank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next time.

52:58BubblemanHow do you pick your cultivars to grow for hash? Like how do you, it's really more about growing than it is about hash, but I'll be able to hang no problem. And it's with good people. I'm on there with Chay from Rosebud. Gord is coming out from Saskatchewan. And I believe there's another gentleman coming out from Sauce Labs, Hugo's partner. I think it's Jordan. I haven't seen the list for a while, but it's definitely a good list of people that I'll be on the panel with.

53:27BubblemanSo what time is that?

53:28Ryan Dank AfWhat day and time is that?

53:29BubblemanYou know what? I don't have a fucking clue. It's on Tuesday, but I don't really ever know what time. It's so bad, dude. Like it's always been that way. I'll just be hanging out and I'll be puffing bowls at someone's booth. And then some person from the event will be like, oh my God, Bubble Man, like, please, we got to go. And then they'll like, you know, hold my hand and bring me to the spot.

53:47BubblemanBut I should try and figure it out because that's very unprofessional and a bit douchey of me. But it happens. It does happen. I get all high and I forget. And I don't even know.

53:57Ryan Dank AfI'm speaking Tuesday morning at 11.

54:00BubblemanOkay, good. I don't think that sounds like it interferes with me, but I honestly don't have a clue. Maybe 12? I should look. Is there a place to look?

54:09Ryan Dank AfYeah, if you Google grow up Vancouver schedule.

54:12BubblemanOh, dude, I can't do all that, man. That's fucking complicated.

54:19Collin PalmerYeah, my assistant. Have him come find me in the middle of the show. I'll be there. Exactly.

54:24BubblemanWell, I'm going to smoke a little of Chay's rosin.

54:26Ryan Dank AfJust look at the crowd of people all around me.

54:29BubblemanShout out to Rosebud Farms for keeping it real, just pushing out the absolute snot.

54:36Ryan Dank AfWell, it was good.

54:37BubblemanBeautiful.

54:38Collin PalmerThis is... Ryan, Marcus, I think you guys should go to CanMed. I know I'm going to be speaking at CanMed this year. Dr. Mark, you were there.

54:49BubblemanYep. Is that Kevin's thing?

54:53Collin PalmerYeah, that's Kevin's thing. It's going to be in Lake Tahoe. Oh, come on. When? I can't. I have to look at the dates.

55:00SpeakerJune 15th and 16th. Oh, I got to reach out to them. Yeah.

55:05Collin PalmerNo, it's, it's, I think it's the best event in cannabis. It's like, it just encompasses a lot of.

55:12SpeakerThe week of June 15th. Isn't that right?

55:15Collin PalmerI believe so. I, I got to look at my, I can do that now.

55:18BubblemanFuck yeah. Tahoe, man. I've got a really good buddy in Tahoe. He's been trying to get me there to go skiing. I bet you my friend's place is nicer.

55:27SpeakerIt probably is. You know the baller places.

55:48BubblemanDude, while I just bump into the baller people, actually, you met him, Caleb. Remember the guy in Vegas that had the cactus gummies?

55:58BubblemanYeah, he had the green cactus gummies. They were bitter, but they were intense, dude. They were mescaline gummies. And so, yeah, he's in Tahoe. Really good dude. And I've been talking to him a little bit since since I came back from Vegas. What a trip. Vegas in December. Fucking Denver in January. I think Denver, New Mexico in February. Michigan coming up here, Illinois. There's so many, I am just so grateful.

56:25BubblemanI can't even, dude, when the customs guy was like, He was talking to me and I just kind of fanboyed out on America. I was like, dude, I'm so just grateful to come here. Like, I will tell you that if I couldn't come to America suddenly now, it would absolutely crush me. Like, I truly need to be able to come to America. I need to visit. I need to hang out with my American brethren and sistren.

56:49BubblemanAnd I need to smoke American hash. I just do. And hazes. So that's my mission. So grateful.

56:58Collin PalmerJust so grateful. Yeah, it's June 15th through 18th. All right. Yeah. June, hey?

57:05BubblemanYeah, let's do it.

57:07SpeakerYeah, I think ATN might be there too as well.

57:11BubblemanI wonder where ATN is right now, actually. Is he still in Hawaii?

57:15Collin PalmerI was just thinking about him.

57:17BubblemanIn his defense, I did send this out like on Wednesday, and then I was like, I didn't hear from anyone. And so I went into my drafts. And I realized I didn't send it out. So I sent the invite out last night at like 11 o'clock at night, which is probably like one or two in the morning for East Coast people. So my apologies. It's all good.

57:38Collin PalmerI saw it in the morning when I got up. I was like, oh, there it is.

57:44SpeakerEtienne's back from Hawaii. We're going to carpool up to the Culture Cup. And it looked like Josh and Kelly wanted to carpool with you to the Culture Cup as well, Marcus.

57:56BubblemanOh, yeah. Where's that at?

57:59SpeakerIt's going to be in Hopland on the 22nd, 23rd. That gentleman from the East Coast was talking about it on last week's Sash Church.

58:07BubblemanHopland, California?

58:09Collin PalmerYeah. So, Marcus, we had... I hear an echo. I don't know why. It's Dr. Mark. He doesn't mute his mic. Oh, I'm sorry.

58:19BubblemanHere, I'll mute it. Don't worry. I usually mute it for you, brother. I feel like you're the PhD. I should serve you.

58:27SpeakerI just muted myself.

58:29Collin PalmerI appreciate it. So Hunter from Hidden Forest Farms, that was the younger guy that I know from the East Coast. He's also from Philadelphia. Really awesome kid. I love the passion that they have and what they're doing up in up in Maine. And Brian is also friends with him. We should shout out big shout out to Best Friend Farms. That's how I got introduced to Hunter is through him.

58:59Collin PalmerAnd honestly, he's throwing really great events, Marcus, that I think you would just really appreciate. He's like putting together some of the best makers in the country. It's a, you know, it's more of a table, you know, it's more of a, you know, call it, I guess like 10 grams on the table. Rather than individual jars, you know, like other events, you know, such as Legends or others that are out there.

59:23Collin PalmerSo it was it was really direct. But it's really he's bringing the grassroots community together in a way that I think is important. He's also bringing glass blowers together, much like Legends has done. But, you know, he's adding food into the mix that like he's doing cultural things from Maine, like lobster and, you know, oyster on the half shell.

59:45BubblemanYou mean lobster? Yeah.

59:47Collin PalmerYeah, lobster. But he's, he's, I think what he's, what I'm trying to illustrate is he's really putting together the culture in a, in a consistent way that's helping, um, Helping all of us to stay together in a way and in a time that's really putting the industry first. And I think that's what I appreciate what they're doing. And he's got a great farm and he's starting to do selections.

1:00:14Collin PalmerHe's starting to do some seed making. And his selections are actually really impressive. And I think he's got a great eye and a good nose. Yeah, he's just a good kid, man. So I think that's why I had to I wanted to bring him on and just have him share a little bit about what that event was, because I know people need to know about it. And he's just a good guy.

1:00:39Collin PalmerSo I think he's he's I'm excited to see how he he continues his career with with all this. It's really cool to see him do what he's doing. Reminds me of us.

1:00:52BubblemanWhere is Brian? I have not been able to get him the link lately. I miss him.

1:00:57Collin PalmerI can text him right now. I was just thinking about it.

1:01:00BubblemanYeah, send me his digits because he used to text me from like Signal or something and then I lost it. And I'm like, I just want his phone number so I can text him. I forgot Josh and Kelly. Go ahead, Dr. Mark.

1:01:13SpeakerI can share with you his contact information. I think he was having some Network difficulties.

1:01:18BubblemanThat's how it started. But I haven't sent him an invite out for so long. And I mean, I did the same thing with Josh and Kelly. I just I forget there's so much going on in the morning that I forget who wants to be a regular, who wants to show up. And then there's always this background of trying to plan shows that are specifically for, you know, like a special show like what you guys did last week, which I definitely want to thank Colin for.

1:01:43BubblemanFor just making all of that work, inviting Kev and inviting Hunter and just organizing and curating the show and then running it too. Because my wife, I got to shout her out as well. She kind of started the show. You know, she didn't really, it's, it is more complicated than you think. It's not just pushing a button. Like it is stressful to start Hash Church. There's, there's just a bunch of things.

1:02:05BubblemanEven this morning I started and I was like, fuck. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:02:31BubblemanI think you would have beat him because you're under him. He's at the top as the most recent. So you beat him by about half a second. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you go to school. Because if Colin had gotten a PhD, he would have beat Mark by 0.1 of a second.

1:02:47SpeakerThat has nothing to do with that at all.

1:02:50BubblemanI'm trying to promote the PhD, Mark. Come on, don't you want kids to go to school?

1:02:53SpeakerOh, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, yeah. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I want to go to college, get an education. The more education, the more educated people we have in the world, the better it'll be, right?

1:03:04BubblemanI mean, I feel that that's the case. Education is super important. Common sense should get mixed in there a little bit as well. And then the hardest thing is, I guess, the only thing that really affects my intelligence in a bad way is if I get emotional. I get emotional about something. I get sucked down a rabbit hole that I just, I don't make the best sense anymore.

1:03:26BubblemanSo work on all three of those things. You'll be a better person. You'll make the world a better place. And when we bump into you, we'll smoke great hash with you. That'll be your reward. Great hash. What's everyone puffing this morning?

1:03:44BubblemanWhat do we got here? Nothing. They're all like, I haven't puffed shit. ATN would have a giant gagger.

1:03:50Collin PalmerI got Kenji times TK right here times something.

1:03:55BubblemanPapaya frosting.

1:03:57Collin PalmerRubbed off the jar, but this is three years old.

1:03:59BubblemanWhat do you got, Caleb? Is that some like sativa?

1:04:03SpeakerNo, it's not. It's an ashram kush from Sunrise Mountain Farm.

1:04:07BubblemanJesus, Colin's got the baller jar.

1:04:11Collin PalmerDude, this is three years old, Marcus. I've been doing these experiments where I leave it and I've been curing this. I just opened this last week.

1:04:20BubblemanWhere are you leaving it? At room temperature? Well, it starts at room temperature and then I put it in the fridge, right? I always feel like the fridge is preservation more than curing. Although there's a mild cure that occurs in a fridge, but I definitely see things happen fast. At closer to room temperature.

1:04:40Collin PalmerThis was kept at 60 degrees for a very long time. And I wanted to see, you know, after a long, you know, cure, like meaning... Like you traditionally would, what would, what would happen? And it's a lot of interest. I got to send this out for testing, but.

1:05:00BubblemanWhat's the bioassay difference? Like from when you smoked it before you cured it?

1:05:03Collin PalmerI am ripped. I'll just be honest. Like I am super ripped. And it's, it's really interesting because it's, I don't, it's very strong. Like it's to the point where. Like stronger than it was? I don't know. Yeah, I feel like it was. Yeah, it's stronger than any other jars I have here, I'll tell you right now.

1:05:21BubblemanAnd what is that jar? Sorry, I missed it when you said it.

1:05:23Collin PalmerThis was Chem D, TK times something else. There's another. It's rubbed off. I have to go back to the... Oh, fuck the rub off, eh? But there's, it's documented. It's got, I got the, I have the hard sheet. It's in, it's in Excel. But if you can see the bottom here, you can see this like.

1:05:40BubblemanOh, it's a light color. I see it. The first thing I thought is I want to dig right to the bottom and pull that out. Okay, let's do it. We'll do it together. Let's do it. Along the glass, I think you should go. Yeah.

1:05:52Collin PalmerOh, fuck. Let's pull this up and just see what happens. I'm going to give it a big.

1:05:57SpeakerOh, fuck. Ooh.

1:05:59Collin PalmerThe thing is, is nothing comes up with it. You see this? It just looks that way. It's like honey. It's crazy. Well, it has these THC crystals in it. You can see these crystals in it. Was that grown outdoors? No, this was indoor. This is greenhouse. So maybe. Greenhouse, yeah, yeah, yeah. CBVA and all the other stuff. But it's really.

1:06:24Ryan Dank AfLike that or natural harvest?

1:06:27Collin PalmerThis was with curtains, but, you know, it's interesting.

1:06:35BubblemanIt's just... What were you saying about the difference, Ryan, between light and...

1:06:40Ryan Dank AfIt has to do with how intense the sun is at the time of flowering, right? Because dry cones are all light, right? They're all about light intensity. So there's a big difference between harvesting in the middle of the summer versus harvesting at the end of the year.

1:06:55BubblemanSure. Which is really kind of the whole purpose of Light Dep in the first place, isn't it?

1:06:59Ryan Dank Af100%. Well, especially for us up here.

1:07:01BubblemanWell, especially for us, but I think I appreciate Light Dep like I could take it longer, but I want it to peak at the peak of the sun.

1:07:10Ryan Dank Af100%.

1:07:11BubblemanYou know what I mean? Like, obviously, Light Dep is great for us because it's like, well, we won't even be able to finish without the fucking Light Dep sometimes.

1:07:20Ryan Dank AfThere's just little crystals in here. You trigger later. Thank you for watching.

1:07:47BubblemanLet's smoke it. Let's go. Dude, it's so crazy to not be able to fill bowls for you guys. What's that, Dr. Mark?

1:07:54Collin PalmerWell, dude, we got to get that Denver thing going. I love that concept.

1:07:59BubblemanIt's in the middle of the country, right?

1:08:00Collin PalmerYeah, dude, I could fly there today. Let's go.

1:08:03BubblemanBut like a couple hours? Is anyone further than a couple hours away from Denver? Two flights. Because it took me two hours to get there from Vancouver. I was like, fuck, that's wicked quick.

1:08:20Collin PalmerYeah, it's not that far for me. It's like maybe a three. It's an hour less than going to Cali.

1:08:25BubblemanIs it a three hour tour? So step right up. You have to be old to get the Gilligan's Island reference. I get it. Dr. Mark smiled.

1:08:35SpeakerI got it right away.

1:08:36BubblemanThat's nearly one. Dr. Mark smiled.

1:08:41SpeakerI was going to say, Colin, it's probably just waxes, right? Because waxes are lighter, right? They look so good, though.

1:08:50Collin PalmerLook, now it's all.

1:08:52SpeakerIs there Chaz left on the nail after you damage it?

1:08:55BubblemanYeah, you should do some experiment on hitting that lighter colored versus the darker color. Especially for, I think Chaz would be one way, but I think potency would be the big way. Because if that's wax. Chaz and smoke.

1:09:07Collin PalmerYeah, we're going to, I'll send this off for testing. It says there's 100 grams, 105 grams in this jar.

1:09:13BubblemanWhy don't you separate the lighter color and get that tested separately?

1:09:17Collin PalmerYou know what you should do, Colin? February 16th, 2024, this went into.

1:09:21Ryan Dank AfDo you have a setter for you? You know what you should do, Colin, is storage our upside down. And then when you turn it, when you take the lid off, then you'll have.

1:09:29Collin PalmerWell, I could fraction, I could, you know, I could pour it off, right? That's your point, right? We're going to test it.

1:09:35BubblemanBut it'll be right on top if you flip it upside down is what he's saying.

1:09:38Collin PalmerThat's what I'm going to tell you right now.

1:09:40BubblemanBioassay for the win, dude. I mean, listen, all those other machines are just trying to achieve what our bioassay can and does.

1:09:49SpeakerWell, and the polar surface of the glass itself actually creates, you know, a place for nucleation to start to occur, which is why you're seeing crystallization on the bottom of the jar, right? That's very, very common.

1:10:03Collin PalmerThroughout though, Mark, there's crystals throughout it. It's just clear. Yeah.

1:10:06SpeakerSo now, so, so the, the crystallization point is the point at which your, your crystals are no longer soluble and whatever terpene fat mix they're dissolved in. So yeah, it gets below that. But there's, there's nucleation and then there's crystallization. They're, they're, they're, they're related to, But, um, they're not necessarily...

1:10:32Collin PalmerOkay, we did. We disrupted. We disrupted, okay? Look at that.

1:10:37SpeakerWe're disruptors.

1:10:39Collin PalmerThen this side of the jar is...

1:10:40SpeakerDisrupt the shit out of that, please.

1:10:42Collin PalmerI will. I just did. My banger just disrupted the hell out of it.

1:10:48SpeakerCouldn't see Mark's shirt. Put that into a vial and send it to me. Yeah, exactly.

1:10:54BubblemanSo, hey, could you send me the report there, Dr. Mark? It's like, report? I just smoked that shit. Let me tell you about it.

1:11:03BubblemanNo, I saw only the arm on Dr. Mark's shirt and I was like, that's Jerry. Oh yeah, that's Jerry. That's Jerry. That's so good, dude.

1:11:12SpeakerDude, I need to get a Jerry shirt like that. You guys watched the Bob Weir Memorial thing yesterday? Oh yeah. That they had on? Yeah.

1:11:20BubblemanSaw John's segment. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It was nice, you know, for him to discuss the difference between 30 years to the fucking day age difference between those two. Same birthday. Trippy.

1:11:33SpeakerYeah, and the fact that, you know, the dead were only around for 30 years, you know, and then we were carried on for another 30.

1:11:41BubblemanHe got a bad rap for being so mainstream and successful. But when I saw the video of him watching Derek Trucks blow BB King away and how he was so happy to see it, not jealous, not envious, just like truly glowing for Derek and BB and himself to be able to witness it. I thought this guy's legit. Like he is just a lover of music and guitar.

1:12:02BubblemanLike that's he's a student.

1:12:04SpeakerWell, he was a lover of adventure, and he was always the foil to Garcia, right? I mean, Garcia was kind of like, for those of us who had the pleasure of seeing the man alive, he was the focal point of that band. Like, when you walked into the room... And the Grateful Dead were on stage. You looked at Jerry. He was the thing that he didn't want to be.

1:12:30SpeakerSo where is the other one, right? Where is classically he was the other guy. And yeah, I mean, their guitar playing was so different, right? Like we're... There's been a lot of discussion about this. I think Bruce Hornsby said it good. Weir used McCoy Tyner's phrasing of rhythm that was underneath all that great John Coltrane, you know, all that great music that John Coltrane played. And so Weir thought of himself the same way with Garcia.

1:13:03SpeakerAnd Garcia was definitely playing sheets of sound just like Coltrane. And Weir had to really put Really tasty shit in there. And even as, as like, uh, if you go back to Primal Dead, like 69, like February, uh, 28th, uh, 69. So the live dead sessions, right? Those, uh, those, uh, Saints, the Dark Star, St. Stephen, other one segues. You listen to some of Weir's playing like in the other one.

1:13:34SpeakerLike right after they do the high green chili wins and windy, all that stuff. And they go into that first jam. That's all fricking weird. And so weird. He had to make up just like Phil, his own fucking recipe for how he's going to flavor Garcia's playing. And I think both of them, Phil and we're, I mean, that was the deciding sound of the Grateful Dead, right?

1:14:01SpeakerThe Grateful Dead was basically Jerry's lead. With Bobby and Phil as kind of like the rhythm. And it was just, it was so cool. I mean, you know, yeah, Joan Baez, right? I mean, she came out and sang a little song, but yeah, to see John Mayer come out, I mean, truly, I think the one thing that John's learned that we've all learned from this music is humility, right?

1:14:25SpeakerIs that he's no different than, Thank you.

1:14:44BubblemanAxeling and musicians out in the... Dude, they're going to be touring hard in the near future.

1:14:49SpeakerYeah, absolutely. Well, and it's just, I think I've said this on Hash Church before. It's such a testament to how good the music was. The fact is, it was like 30, what, one years later after Jerry's gone, we're still talking about this. And it's still the phenomena that was the Grateful Dead. And it was a singular time in the universe that Thank you. You know, think about it.

1:15:16SpeakerWe lived during Miles Davis was alive. Jerry Garcia was alive. Frank Sinatra was alive. I mean, this music is going to live for 300 years. There's no question about it. Bobby is the most recorded artist ever in all of human history. If you consider just the bootleg tapes alone and how many copies of copies of copies of copies, there are more cassette tapes with Bob Weir playing guitar.

1:15:45SpeakerThank you.

1:16:02SpeakerAnd the impact that that's had in terms of just the legacy of cannabis that exists, right? Sour Diesel, you know, Chemdog and all that shit. That was all fucking dead tour weed, you know? And I was a kid that was spun out on dead tour smoking NorCal weed.

1:16:21BubblemanWell, for those of you questioning Dr. Mark saying that they are the most widely recorded artists in the world, punch it into chat GPT. The answer is clear. The Grateful Dead. Yeah.

1:16:34Collin PalmerYeah.

1:16:35BubblemanGrateful Dead is the most recorded artists in the world. If you if you include bootlegs, if you don't say they are factual.

1:16:44Collin PalmerAnd look, for the listeners out there, you know, to kind of help not even help solidify the arguments, not even arguments, just fact. Thank you for watching.

1:17:11SpeakerAll these venues were just totally inadequate to be able to project that sound to that many people. I mean, that's basically introduced to Grateful Dead. And Big Steve talks about it, how they started Alembic Studios, and Bear, who was the wizard that turned everybody on to LSD. It was also a wizard when it came to sound systems and microphones and the whole wall of sound genesis. The whole fact that they were just so fucking ahead of their time.

1:17:46SpeakerAnd the music was so fucking good, right? I mean, that's what kills me. I was on a thread the other day on Facebook where we were talking about 76 and the difference between the Grateful Dead sound in 1976 and

1:18:03SpeakerAnd one of the big differences, one of the big differences is in between 76 and 77, they were in the studio with Keith Olson recording Terrapin Station. And Jerry had used it once before on his solo record in 76 on Reflections.

1:18:23SpeakerOn Catfish John, right? The solo he plays with his envelope filter, right? And the envelope filter, think about the envelope filter. The first song that the Grateful Dead introduced with the envelope filter was Estimated Profit. On Terrapin Station. And that debut of Estimated Profit at the Swing Auditorium on February 26, 1977, was the first time that Jerry played the envelope filter live in front of a grateful audience.

1:18:58SpeakerAnd think about how that... All those songs that he's known for playing.

1:19:14SpeakerThe envelope filter. And yeah, that forever changed the band sound. And so that's a real defining point between 76 and 77.

1:19:22BubblemanI don't know why, but when Dr. Mark talks and if I have it on speaker, he doesn't show up. It'll be on like Colin or someone else. Like there's a weird and it's been happening for like a month. I have to try to pin you like when you talk. Otherwise, when you talk, I just put it on speaker. Like the group so that you can be seen.

1:19:46BubblemanI don't gallery.

1:19:47SpeakerIs it my microphone? It can't be your microphone.

1:19:50BubblemanIt has to be something to do with video. But like if Caleb's talking and I put it on speaker, he'll show up on the screen. Anyone in the room that's talking on speaker will show up in the screen except you. You don't show up. It'll stay on like Colin or ATN. Let me disconnect my microphone here. It can't be your microphone though. Like it has nothing to do with your microphone.

1:20:10BubblemanIt's your video and why you don't. I don't know. I'll just keep working it special for you.

1:20:16Collin PalmerIt's the Garcia Gremlins.

1:20:18BubblemanIt's the Garcia Gremlins, man. Jesus.

1:20:21Collin PalmerBobby learned, like, the most crazy part about Bobby is, like, he learned over 2,000 plus ways to get to 12 no's. To get to what? Get to 12 notes. Well, that's how many shows he played with Jerry. And the way he did that is to your point, and he even used to admit this, is he would listen to McCoy Tyner, right, as you said. And you're right, he was Jerry's McCoy Tyner as he was to Coltrane's rhythm section on the piano.

1:20:53Collin PalmerAnd his ability to play those notes in all these different formations is, I mean, I was listening to 73. There's, I think, the Pacific Northwest release they put out. And there's a Vancouver show that he demonstrates a lot of his ability there. And it's almost as if he's not even playing. It's just that perfect. Like, just the way it just, like, flushed through and all the notes just perfectly lay one after one another.

1:21:23Collin PalmerIt's almost like MIDI. Like, almost like someone just, like, quantized it. You know, and it just makes, it just works.

1:21:29SpeakerHe did. And anybody who has to try to play the way Weir plays, you need super long fingers because to do some of his chord voicings, like the intro to Jack Straw, the way he plays that extended... E in basically the C chord form. I mean, his fingering itself was very, very complex. And the other thing is that like Garcia used to say, he would come to the studio without a full crystallized version of how he wanted the song to go.

1:22:02SpeakerLike he just knew like little riffs or various statements. Like I think Feel Like a Stranger was one of them. And the other guys in the band were kind of like a little frustrated because they're like, come on, Bob, bring a fricking finished song to the studio. But I think that was one of Weir's magics. One of the stories that I was reading this weekend was recalling when he was at a, he was visiting his buddy, John Perry Barlow, who was his lyricist.

1:22:32SpeakerAnd I guess he had a ranch in Wyoming and Bob took a walk up a mountain. He was having a writer's block and was unable to finish. He was trying to write... Lost sailor in a circumstance. And apparently he got caught like in a lightning storm up on the mountain where he came down. He said he felt the static electricity on his arms and everything. And he almost got hit by lightning.

1:22:59SpeakerBut yeah, I guess that was part of his inspiration for that line. I sure don't know what I'm going for, but I'm going to go for it for sure. So that was, I think he was reciting that as he was coming down off the mountain hoping that he didn't get hit by lightning.

1:23:16BubblemanIt's pretty cool to like distill an amazing experience into a lyric that becomes like a song that becomes embedded in the culture. That is pretty fucking cool.

1:23:27SpeakerIt's amazing, right? I mean, you think about like, like, just like, just get away from weird for a second. Think about like the melody of Eleanor Rigby, right? When you think about like how good Paul McCartney was able to just pull those notes out of thin air. You know, I look at all the lonely people. I mean, it's just like, whoa, my God, where the fuck does that inspiration come from?

1:23:50SpeakerIt's just, it's unbelievable. Now you listen to Eleanor Rigby. Like it's just part of like your DNA. Like you couldn't imagine life without that melody. Right. So yeah, it's real.

1:24:03BubblemanIt's pretty awesome. I looked up who the most recorded artist was. If bootlegs weren't involved, I thought it was going to be the Beatles, but it was actually Elvis.

1:24:15BubblemanMan, the guy's been dead for a long time and he's still holding the crown. Like that is insane.

1:24:23SpeakerBecause he kept on doing like Christmas albums and stuff like that.

1:24:28Collin PalmerThe industry really got a hold of that one. But but you're not. But still, it's without, you know, we got to give someone their flowers where it's due. You know, that's the reality of it. But yeah, like, I don't know, I really enjoy 74. Like, I'm a huge fan of just on the drums. And, you know, Europe 72, I have the recordings of the summer before Europe 72.

1:24:57Collin PalmerAnd that's even a totally different band. Like, they don't even have, like, the choruses worked out or, like, the extended... Jam and Canada, China Cat Sunflower. They just didn't have a lot of this stuff worked out. It felt like that the summer of 71 was like preemptive, like, all right, guys, we're going to go back in 72 and we're going to go blow doors and we're going to go work on these songs and try to work out like all the transitions.

1:25:23SpeakerIt was just before Keith joined the band. Keith joined the band in late October. Totally, yeah, from that point.

1:25:30Collin PalmerIt was like they're on a mission, dude. You could listen to 71 and you're like, it inspires the hell out of me. I'm like, damn, it's like they really didn't have a lot of this worked out, but then they come back and you listen to Europe 72 as a record or just that tour. It's like...

1:25:45SpeakerFor a while in 71, they were back down to just a five-piece band because Mickey took off right after the Capitol Theater shows in February.

1:25:54Collin PalmerWell, his dad took all this money from the band, right? Remember all that?

1:25:59SpeakerYeah, that's the song, He's Gone, right? It's about Mickey's dad taking off with all their money.

1:26:03Collin PalmerIt was all kinds of that.

1:26:04SpeakerYeah, the summer of 71 was a great tour and Pigpen was just, you know, again, the front guy in the band and as he started getting sicker and sicker and Thank you for watching.

1:26:34Collin PalmerIt really is, man. Pigpen would be... Poison. Yeah.

1:26:37BubblemanJust poison, dude. Holy fuck. Just took him and Janice right out. Just like done. Renal failure the whole nine yards. Yellow, you're gone. He's gone.

1:26:47SpeakerYeah.

1:26:48BubblemanYeah. Fuck. Crazy to drink yourself to death. Like that is like another level, especially that young. To be that young and have killed your, like livers are strong, bro. Like they don't die easily. It's a very, you know, strong organ. It's too bad.

1:27:09Collin PalmerI'm trying to think like, I guess it's like the environment they're in was such stress because they're just like constantly moving around. Like we got to be here now, tomorrow. It just was like just a coping mechanism for a lot of these guys, you know?

1:27:28SpeakerYeah.

1:27:32SpeakerWell, in the world of cannabinoid chemistry, there is a pretty important paper published this week. You want me to share that? Yeah. So this is always cool. Whenever they find new cannabinoids or new products, Marcus, you want me to share my screen?

1:27:50BubblemanI do want you to share your screen. I want to make sure that it's going to pop up. Sure. Do you not have share settings right now?

1:27:56SpeakerSharing is not turned on.

1:27:59BubblemanSo let me figure this out. Oh, there we go. You just had to. I just want to make sure that you're going to show up because it's got me. Now it's got Colin. I pinned you. Oh, there's Caleb. Please show Dr. Mark. It is the weirdest thing that you just don't show up on the page. And now it's me again. So we're still waiting to see if you're going to show up.

1:28:20BubblemanSo just give me a minute or a half a minute. I'm kind of like fingers crossed. It's still me. This is so weird that it doesn't want to show your screen. It'll be very hard for screen sharing, let me tell you.

1:28:40SpeakerLet's see, let's see.

1:28:42BubblemanYeah, you shared it, but you're not showing up on YouTube. You understand? When you talk, your screen does not show up on YouTube. Someone's saying it might have to do with something to do with the setting of... Now it's just black. So yeah, if you want to share that, send it to me. I'll open it and then you can go through it and explain it. Oh, wait, no, it's on.

1:29:06BubblemanIt's on. You're good. You are good. Okay.

1:29:10SpeakerThank you for your patience. Maybe it's the Hillbilly Network up here in Vermont. Okay, so you can see this?

1:29:17BubblemanIt's on the screen, yes, absolutely. I can see it on both, but it's on YouTube, so they can see it as well. Awesome.

1:29:23SpeakerYeah, so this is...

1:29:27SpeakerPaper that came out this week titled Bioactive Compounds from Flowers of Cannabis Sativa Isolation and New Alkaloid. Wow, alkaloids, cool. This is like the second paper in six months that now reports a new alkaloid from cannabis. So it definitely caught my attention. Notice how many authors they have here. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. This was in Korea? This is from Korea. Yeah, South Korea.

1:30:00BubblemanThat's so cool. Dude, I think that, you know, getting all sorts of different people on cannabis science is going to be important. And I think like, man, Asia's got to have a lot of value in that. It would be so cool if China would do some of this work. There's brilliant people there.

1:30:19SpeakerYeah, well, you know, Korean chemistry and pharmaceutical chemistry has long been, you know, Korean labs have long been involved in isolation of natural products and products from marine sponges and all kinds of different substances. Very, very relevant work going on in Korea for pharmaceuticals over the years. So the Korean Bulletin of Pharmaceutical Sciences is something that I've been pulling references from since the early 80s. So anyway, so let's look at some of these compounds.

1:30:55SpeakerAnd you got to keep in mind that when they find these compounds, they're in exceedingly small amounts. And that'll be Uh, indicative when we look at like exactly what they did. So let's look at what they did. So cell viability assay. Okay. Extraction. Okay. So you see what they're starting with 3.2 kilograms. Okay, 3.2 kilograms, and here what you can see, compound number, okay, let's see, where is it?

1:31:28SpeakerWell, you can see they're isolating certain compounds, like here's 15 milligrams of one, 20 milligrams of another. Right. But if you go down to compound one, that's this compound here. They're isolating it in like a very, very small amount. Let's see. Here it is. One milligram inside? 25 milligrams. So, you know, for calculating yield, I mean, certainly look at 25 milligrams extracted from 3.2 kilograms, right? Not a lot of material in there.

1:31:59SpeakerHowever, when you look at the structure of one, here's one right here. It looks... Very unlike any cannabinoid I've ever seen before. So this two-membered ring, fused ring, is what we call a quinoline. So this is a spiroquinoline. It's spiro because you have this carbon here that's got basically another ring, basically tethered to another ring. So that's called a spirocenter when you get a, Thank you for watching.

1:32:56SpeakerSo the difference between cis and trans, in this case, this carbon comes out of the... I know the difference. I live in a liberal province. Yeah. Okay, so this is the trans and this is the cis. Okay, we'll leave it at that. But here's, these are, this is bisalobo, which is a commonly occurring terpenoid. You could see some of the terpenoids. This is bisabolol, I'm sorry, guaiol, guainol, cannabijerolic acid, right?

1:33:30SpeakerThat's, that's, That's this acid right here. So they see some, you know, common things that we find in cannabis, but they see this uncommon thing. And yeah, so this got me excited, even though it's only in there and 25 milligrams, it's a new compound. It's never been described before and something that's new that's in cannabis. So I'll stop screen sharing. So how's that? That's this week in cannabis chemistry brought to you by Dr. Mark here.

1:34:00BubblemanI think we should do it every week.

1:34:01SpeakerYeah. There's almost something new every week, actually. There was another paper that came out from this group from the University of Rochester that is already published on some of the contaminants that are found in Delta-8 vape pens. So that was another interesting. Yeah, we could review that article next week. But yeah, Mark, if you want me to do this every week.

1:34:23BubblemanYou know, I feel like you and Ryan could both do it. What's new in breeding? What's new in science? And sometimes they'll be cool crossovers. Yeah. What was the potency of that 3.2 kilos? I guess it doesn't matter, but... Well, let's see.

1:34:37SpeakerSo how much THC did they get?

1:34:39BubblemanWhere are they getting that from? Are they flying that in from Mississippi with DEA export licenses or is Korea producing their own cannabis?

1:34:45SpeakerThey just said dried flowers of cannabis sativa were extracted twice with ethanol. They extracted that 3.2 kilograms with 10 liters, so... You know, had a pretty big setup here. And to only get like 25 milligrams tells you that they were, you know, it's... Tells me I'm going to be able to sell that shit for 500 bucks a gram. Does it say they only got 19.1 milligrams of THC though?

1:35:14SpeakerSo like they're not looking at necessarily THC-A perhaps or they definitely have hemp grown in Korea. It's hard to say, Caleb, because I think in their process here, They do run a silica gel chromatography, so they're going to separate out just about everything that's in there. Here, I'll make sure I put this in the chat so you guys can see it too. And feel free to share it with our listeners on the chat.

1:35:41SpeakerI don't think I can put something in the YouTube chat. But yeah, so I think, yeah, the point of this is not that they're getting... Uh, this yield, the point is, is that they've isolated the new compound. And so I guess the question is, is how many other strains is this compound occurring? Is this something that's just common? Is it something that is, uh, an indigenous compound to the plant itself, or is this made in the trichomes?

1:36:13BubblemanWouldn't it be helpful to have all the rest of the testing just to see if there's a pattern that arises, like what the THC percentage is, what the things that they know, you know, what are kind of thing? Like, why is this just showing up? This is just something no one's ever tested for. How do they find it? Like when you don't know what you're testing for?

1:36:33SpeakerYeah, so they're fractionating the extract by column chromatography, which is running it down basically these columns that are separating out individual fractions and then running the NMR of those fractions to try to identify And most of the times those fractions are mixtures, so then they have to take those group of mixtures and then run them down more columns and more columns. That's why you need 10 authors on a paper like this, because this isn't just one guy that does one thing and finds this thing.

1:37:04SpeakerI mean, this took a lot of work to do to figure out.

1:37:09BubblemanPretty cool. A rabbit hole. I love it.

1:37:12SpeakerDefinitely a rabbit hole. I guess it'd be interesting to pontificate how this is biosynthesized. It looks kind of like a flavonoid. It has flavonoid-like features to it, but it's more, again, because it has the nitrogen in there, it becomes an alkaloid. So the other group that discovered flavonoids in cannabis that contain nitrogen, they called them, they turned a new term of technology, which is a flavoalkaloid. So I would also call this a flavalkaloid, even though it doesn't look specifically like a flavonoid.

1:37:48SpeakerI think it might have flavonoid biosynthetic precursors. Who knows? But cool shit nonetheless.

1:37:59BubblemanSuper cool. Welcome to Josh and Etienne, who just rolled in a little bit ago. Welcome, guys. Hope you're doing well.

1:38:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMuch love. Thank you. Yes, doing well. Just enjoying an interesting winter with no snow on the ground and washing bits of hash throughout the winter and getting wood and different things, you know, enjoying life and enjoying the conversation this morning. Much love to you all.

1:38:28BubblemanThere's no snow in Denver either. They were all freaking out, like none, like none on the ground, none, like just none. They were absolutely freaking out. We got another one here. Synthetic cannabinoid use is associated with higher systematic inflammatory indices that cannabis use in adolescence.

1:38:44Etienne FontanYeah, this one came out this week and they found indices in the body that shows a difference between normal and synthetic cannabinoids. You don't get these inflammations with normal natural cannabinoids, but there is indices now that show that there are actual Aaron Ward, MD, M.D. : Growing of inflammation in the body and it is they can find it now so, which is the first study that i'm aware of that actually compared synthetic cannabinoids to natural cannabinoids, so I think this is a fascinating new frontier of research because.

1:39:25Etienne FontanI've tried these synthetic cannabinoids and I feel weird. I don't know how to explain it. I can definitely tell the difference when I inhale, but I haven't seen science behind it. So this is kind of the first kind of little dangle. And in our science discussion yesterday, I think Caleb, you even stated, right, that this seemed to be your, you know, sort of reference to, you know, synthetic cannabinoids in your body.

1:39:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. Yeah. Is that the cannabinoids known as HHC or is HHC just an umbrella for all the synthetic cannabinoids or how does that work?

1:40:04SpeakerThey're just saying SC, synthetic cannabinoids. I think this is specifically talking about like the JW compounds. Oh, yeah. Like spice and whatnot.

1:40:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOkay, because in Europe, you know, there's synthetic cannabinoids, say in Czech Republic, and HHC is the term they often use. And then it's super weird. You can buy... Synthetic sprayed cannabinoids on CBD hemp, which they sell like in Prague. You can smoke that, feel whatever you feel, which is whatever, and then get pulled over by a cop 10 minutes later and they'll swab your mouth and you'll pass the test.

1:40:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's super weird. So you take it. Somehow you get high off some high, some type of high from it. Then you get pulled over, you swab, you pass the test. If you smoke regular weed, Like even, someone can clarify this, maybe Mark, but it takes a while for that to go out of your mouth to where if you got swabbed, you wouldn't get in trouble. And if you were in Germany or Czech Republic, if you got swabbed, like you'd lose your car right on spot on the side of the freeway.

1:41:11Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey take your car, lose your license for a month and it's all this stuff. So I find it amazing that those synthetic cannabinoids don't show up in the swab and the fact that swabs are even a thing for cops.

1:41:23BubblemanI look forward to the day when I heard ATN talk about that. I wasn't thinking about spice right away. I was thinking like drohibanol and other cannabinoids that are set up as medicines that could be potentially causing underlining problems. And it just made me believe like one of the things I personally am looking forward to in AI. Is that if AI can get a point where it can lift the veil on bullshit and explain the bullshit, explain the agenda, explain where it's coming, all this like everyone's belief systems and politics and all of these biases, I just would love to see the veil get lifted and it doesn't matter what you believe or what you think, this is truth and this is false.

1:42:03BubblemanI would love to get to a point, and I'm talking mostly in regards to data, social media, you know, studies, all of these things. Like imagine if AI went in and said, absolutely unequivocally, synthetic cannabinoids are causing a type of inflammation. We're going to explain exactly what type of inflammation that is. We'll explain it to the scientists in scientific lingo. We'll explain it to the philosophers and philosophically, like just being able to talk to you and explain it to you in exactly the way you hear it.

1:42:30BubblemanThere is so much bullshit in the world right now. And the bullshit is used to manipulate people. And it's just so fucking endless psyop after psyop that I really look forward to the veil getting lifted. And people understanding like this, this isn't even a company anymore. Like this AI has achieved singularity. No one's fucking controlling it. It's not a fucking Apple singularity or a Samsung singularity. It is just an intelligence that is equivalent to like all seven or eight billion people on the planet simultaneously and synergistically thinking as one.

1:43:09BubblemanI am looking forward to that.

1:43:11Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

1:43:33Etienne FontanAnd we're finally getting hold of the shit that was hurting and fucking up people over a decade ago, right? So this is the frustration where there's a lot of other science that needs to take place, but there's still a great deal in lack of science in our world of cannabis, medical cannabis. Thank you for watching.

1:44:21BubblemanSo are we to understand that the reason there's less of this information is because we've been trapped in Schedule 1 and once we move over to Schedule 3, quite possibly science will open up, more money will be invested. Is that a possibility here?

1:44:35Etienne FontanYeah, absolutely. Because, you know, the big onus is schedule one. That's why, of course, we don't listen to America. We've decided we're not listening to anybody else's journals. You up in Canada have done more than enough research for fucking everybody for decades, right, to really bring forward. But the United States is like, you know, I don't like it because it's not ours. And so we have to do ours.

1:44:58Etienne FontanSo there is that bias because of prohibition that has made this a reality is because, sure, it's schedule one, but it's also the willful ignorance of the FDA, et cetera, that are like, no, no, no, no, we can't look at those international studies. We have to decide on our own because those must be biased because they're not ours. So there's fucked up bullshit in science that is literally cock block any type of research and has for decades.

1:45:23Etienne FontanGo ahead, Colin. I can see you're still.

1:45:26Collin PalmerWell, no, you're like, you're just saying all the stuff I love because it just, you're speaking the truth of it all. And I think Dr. Markin agree, like the science has been there. It's just the gate has not been open to formalizing it in the structures in which the world's provided for us to work with it. And, you know, and I think that's the biggest issue right now is not necessarily Does this stuff work or, you know, that really is already by large been proven, but it's how does it fit within a system that they've built and does it work for them?

1:46:02Collin PalmerYou know, and I think Mark, maybe you can jump in, but it's like, there seems to be a whole, we need to kind of rethink where we're at and where we're going with it because it's, A lot of confusion, you know, and then we're bringing up the synthetic stuff, right? People, you know, I've been engaged on conversations online with people that are like promoting synthetic cannabinoids. And I just continue to ask hard questions and you just get irate with me, like to the point where they're like, I'm going to report you.

1:46:34Collin PalmerThis kind of stuff. And I'm like, well, I'm not here for, I'm here for facts. Like, can we just talk about that? And can we get to the bottom of this and have a real conversation? And it doesn't feel like those that are out there that are pushing it from a marketing point of view on the synthetic side want to hear anything other than, you know, keep going.

1:46:57Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us.

1:47:27Collin PalmerIn these these high level discussions, it's more or less how do we commercialize this and still sell it? It's good enough. Let's just sell it. Right. And it's it's like, well, you're playing with people's lives. Go ahead. Yeah.

1:47:40Etienne FontanWell, Caleb, I'm curious because you moderate a Reddit thing. that deals with this right because you're inundated with people trying to sell synthetic cannabinoids but you the moderators have made a conscious decision to really push that stuff out because you realize there is harm but you're also a research scientist so you've seen and talked with other people probably even sick people have been you know attacked by these chemicals or these um bathtub gin ingredients so how did y'all decide to navigate those waters and how do you continue to navigate them with so many synthetic sellers doing exactly what Colin said threatening extorting uh pushing their agenda because they're financially tied to it potentially

1:48:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd maybe if you wouldn't mind explaining what HHC is, like we talked about, and then what, you know, that whole thing, because that's very popular in Europe, and they make hash and flour, every different type of hash, and they sell it all over.

1:48:49SpeakerYeah, you should talk to me. I'm an expert on this, okay? HHC is hydrogenated THC, right? So when you take THC and you hydrogenate it, you make HHC. HHC was the first synthetic cannabinoid made by Roger Adams back in about 1938. And he patented it while the University of Illinois where he was at patented it with the claim of it being a compound with marijuana-like activity. So, you know, some poor sap in the labs like, okay, you got to try this and see if it gets you high like marijuana, right?

1:49:29SpeakerBut yeah, it was the first synthetic cannabinoid made. In fact, in the same paper, he talks about isolating CBD, chemically converting it into THC and then hydrogenating it because the position of that double bond confounded early cannabinoid chemists because it's so labile. It would move from Delta 9 to Delta 8 by just staring cross-eyed at it. So they were just like, well, let's just hydrogenate it. So yeah, HHC has been around for a long time.

1:50:00SpeakerAnd unlike what some people will tell you, it does not naturally occur in the cannabis plant. Now the hemp operators will say otherwise because they need to stick to that. This is naturally occurring and somehow their magic extraction process concentrates it. But no, it's made by hydrogenation of mostly Delta-8 made from hydrogenation From cyclization of CBD under acidic conditions. So totally synthetic.

1:50:33BubblemanBoom. Well, someone was like, Sam showed HHC before 2018 hemp. And then someone else was like, Dr. Mark and Skunk Man Sam showed THCP and HHC before anyone. So there.

1:50:47Etienne FontanYeah, so there. All right. Well, thank you, Dr. Mark. That was very concise. So, Caleb. Yes.

1:50:53SpeakerAnd to add one last thing, ATN, I'm the inventor of HHCA, which I think we talked about plenty of times here on Hatch. You have a patent. Right. We have a patent on hydrogenated THCA to make HHCA. And similar to THCA, when you heat up HHCA, it thermally decarboxylates And it's a white crystalline solid, just like THCA, just like the THCA from which it's derived. But, you know, I'm not interested in making products that get you high.

1:51:26SpeakerThere's plenty of products that get you high. We're interested in the Uh, pharmaceutical properties in particular cancer and autoimmune disorders, which is what we're looking at. We're also looking at traumatic brain injury, but that's a discussion for another day.

1:51:41BubblemanI would argue that none of that stuff would happen if you just focused on getting high. Yeah.

1:51:45SpeakerWell, I got the papaya frosting to get me high, right? Okay. I'm wrong. Yeah. Right. So I got trainer to help me keep, keep high, but yeah, I mean, so, um, The thing that you're bringing up, Josh, is that synthetic cannabinoids can be viewed as chemists trying to make new keys for the cannabinoid receptors, which are the locks, right? And so when Professor Howlett and Mishulam discovered the CB1 and CB2 receptors, they knew how important compounds that bind to those receptors are but they knew they couldn't patent the compounds in the plant so they either chemically modify the compounds in the plant to create new compounds or they just made completely new compounds by hook or crook that mimic THC or actually mimic anandamide right because anandamide is the natural compound for the CB1 receptor makes sense

1:52:53BubblemanVery much so, sir.

1:52:57SpeakerDr. Mark, how do you differentiate between like four of the words to use between the like synthetic, like that's not made from CBD distillate versus like synthetic that is made from the CBD? Yeah, so that's a great question, Caleb. So the distinction that some people use is they call them semi-synthetic. But I think... It's kind of like semi boneless ham, right? It's like, wait a second. Does it have a bone?

1:53:30SpeakerYeah, it has a bone. It's not semi boneless, right? So yeah, I mean, semi synthetic, it's like, okay, you're still doing a synthetic procedure that's happening in a reaction vessel. You're not extracting something from the plant. And extracting something from the plant, can you still do chemistry? Yeah, so Delta 8 and CBN are perfect examples of things that decarboxylated THCA could undergo in terms of a degradation.

1:54:03SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:54:22SpeakerAnd those secondary metabolite profiles can then undergo further chemical transformation after harvest by oxidation, isomerization. If given the opportunity, Delta 9 does isomerize over to Delta 8. And so everyone always says, well, Delta 8 occurs in cannabis, but a very, very small amount. It doesn't really occur in cannabis until humans touch it. And they cause the isomerization process. So Delta-8 is not made by the plant. But again, the hemp guys will say, oh, no, no, Delta-8 is made by the plant.

1:54:59SpeakerIt's there. Therefore, our process is some way of concentrating that Delta-8. All the Delta-8, without exception, is made by the chemical conversion of CBD. And yeah, so what was the question again? Nope, that answers it perfectly. Like between the 20 questions.

1:55:21BubblemanHe asked you how many fish shows you've seen. That was a weird answer, dude.

1:55:25Collin PalmerYeah, bro. I mean, too many. This guy is fucking out there, bro. 167 would have been enough.

1:55:36Collin PalmerYeah, dude.

1:55:36Etienne FontanDid you say 6'7"? Did you say 6'7"?

1:55:40SpeakerMaybe 467. I don't know. Jesus. You're old as fuck.

1:55:44Collin PalmerI am old as fuck. I heard two really cool things. Reactive cannabinoids and extractive cannabinoids. And that could be a really interesting baseline for defining what we believe this semi... Semi weird in between languages starting to come out and bubble the surface on because it's your point. We have to define things. And I think that's the biggest confusion for consumers moving forward is they don't actually know.

1:56:13Collin PalmerRight. Like they're drinking drinks that are totally converted synthetic and they have no idea whether or not they're using mother liquor or something else. We have no idea. They don't care.

1:56:24Etienne FontanThere's a lawsuit.

1:56:25SpeakerI don't know if you guys saw that.

1:56:26Etienne FontanThey're just looking for it, right? And this is where I was talking about Caleb.

1:56:32Etienne FontanYou know, because kids are looking for this now. And he has kids asking him and looking in these Reddits, right? Because Reddit's an open source thing. So kids are finding stuff online and that's kind of where they start, right? I mean, they find it, of course, all in different areas and deep webs and some just regular fake looking companies. But I'm curious how you all navigate those waters, given that it's very timely and you deal with it daily.

1:56:58SpeakerSo on Reddit, the trees subreddit, since it's, you know, about trees, is very much like limited to whole plant, right? So to Colin's delineation, the extractive cannabinoids, there's kind of a hard line there that the community takes that's not necessarily even in the like rules because, you know, people will accept CBD flower posts and stuff like that and people talk about hemp. But what that has led to is that there are whole other subreddits That are completely dedicated to the altnoids, to the frankenoids.

1:57:31SpeakerAnd, you know, they are generally even younger, you know, crowds, you know, maybe they don't have an 18 plus rule even the way that the tree subreddit does. So you end up with like these corners of the internet, whether they're on the clear web or the deep web where people can be, you know, it's the same thing as like experimental drugs, uh, Mojave was saying something very interesting yesterday of like, you know, what's really the difference between like the 708s that's available and the experimentation via commercialization that's happening versus, you know, back in the Shulgin days.

1:58:06SpeakerAnd, you know, there are definitely lots of comparisons that can be made and differences that can be highlighted. You know, what's wrong with experimentation, with commercialization, the way we have it now.

1:58:20BubblemanTotally. Yeah, there is there's always a way to make things better. That's the other thing I look forward to, like getting away from the manipulation that keeps things stunted because it's like, well, if it's stunted, you know, metaphorically, I can like steal more or embezzle more or make more. It's just this weird thing where whenever money gets involved, it just seems to slow things down. And sometimes when money is involved, which is always Money decides, it would be better if we kept this like this than moved on to the natural evolution of where it's going to eventually lead us.

1:58:57BubblemanI do feel that there are gatekeepers that sometimes, well, I mean, fuck, cannabis being on schedule one, that is the ultimate gatekeeping. That is the ultimate fucking gaslight from a government that itself has patents on the medicinal aspects of CBD and THCA and the whole- That have expired even.

1:59:16Etienne FontanThat have expired.

1:59:20Etienne FontanThat's the irony is that people then find out that, oh, it was patented. And then, too, they come out and they realize, oh, shit, the patent's expired? It's been going on that long. I think that's the light I see come on in their eyes is that they think this is some sort of recent development like legalization. When they find out the true history, I think they're more gobsmacked and shocked than anything else.

1:59:44Etienne FontanYeah, you're not wrong for sure. You are not wrong.

1:59:50BubblemanIt's going to be interesting. I'm here for the show. This whole week, this whole next four days is just a cannabis event. I'm already talking to Robert Laurie, the cannabis lawyer from Adlusum. He lives just across the way, super awesome guy, takes big dabs. I think he's going to stop by. He may end up on church for a little bit if we're still going.

2:00:12Etienne FontanSpeaking of birthdays, happy birthday to John Conyers, your very esteemed counsel up there.

2:00:18BubblemanOh, yes, Conroy, John Conroy, my lawyer. Your lawyer. That's awesome. Yeah, I didn't realize it was his birthday today. That's crazy. Right between my mom and my dad. Happy birthday to John Conroy. I forgot what I was talking about. Pretty high, actually. Feeling pretty good. What are you smoking on? I'm smoking on a whole bunch of stuff from Chay, from Rosebud. So I got this BC garlic papaya, which is...

2:00:48Etienne FontanGone. Garlic and papaya. That must be a kind of umami.

2:00:53BubblemanWell, I'll tell you what, to me, this one that he called Watermelon Gas is like total GMO. It is actually like almost looks like a BHO crumble. It's just a really dry, like flavorful, tasty, wonderful rosy. I also have the BC Guava Gas. And I also have, oh, it was this word I can't seem to read when he writes it down. Something sent or secret. It's 90U.

2:01:26BubblemanThis one is specifically 90U and it's that Just very beautiful looking.

2:01:31Etienne FontanI almost want to gift all my hash friends. Remember those old label makers? Because they all write so bad that at the end or my smudge and I'm like, oh shit, what is this? Oh, it's something. Look. The old stencil. Right, exactly. Right?

2:01:47BubblemanCan't you see it?

2:01:49Etienne FontanRight? You'd know it. It would have what it is. But hey, there's Ryan. And hey, Dragonfly. Welcome, beautifuls. All right, they're back.

2:01:59SpeakerI wanted to introduce you guys to one of my bestest friends now for over 20, almost 30 years.

2:02:08BubblemanSo you're our bestest friend too.

2:02:11SpeakerAnd this is Harvest. And Harvest has been diagnosed with stage 1072 cancer. And she's here with me. And she moved into the other property That are the other house that's here on the on the property. And she has decided to not go the allopathic route. She has decided even to not be getting a biopsy at this point. So we have been dealing with her cancer naturally. And we wanted to get on today and wanted to talk with Mark and wanted to get some as much information as we possibly could from you guys and maybe from some people that were in the chat as well.

2:03:05SpeakerThe amount of healing modalities that we're doing is insane. All the way to prayer and meditation, immense amounts of supplements, as well as a tremendous amount of cannabis. Um, and it really seems to be that the cannabis is the only thing that is really helping her in so many ways. Um, and Mark, I wanted to, uh, sort of pick your brain a little bit, thought this might be a good time to come on.

2:03:39SpeakerAnd, um, you know, we're doing rectal as well as, well, you are, she's doing suppositories as well as, um, you know, smoking it and doing internal. Also RSO and everything that we can possibly think of and just wanted to hear anybody's advice or anything that anybody has done in the past. Colin, I know you have a lot of experience with working with your dad and ATN, oh my gosh, immense amount of experience and Mark.

2:04:11SpeakerHere we are, my bestest friend and Caleb, you too. So I'm my bestest friend in the whole wide world. Yeah, we're doing this and we're, we talk about cannabis as a healing, but here we are really, really, really trying to make it work again. Cause I hear, I read and, you know, I've heard so many people talk about their experiences with the apoptosis that it generates. And, you know, which is supposed to, I guess, occur within, you know, 24 or 48 hours with cancer.

2:04:40SpeakerAnd I'm just, I want to ask somebody, like, how long does this process generally take? And what forms of cannabis should I, or cannabinoids should I be ingesting? And what frequency? I'm doing CBG every day. I'm taking CBD caps with all the mushrooms from these guys. I'm taking... A lot of THC suppositories at night. I mean, for me, I'm a lightweight, so I've been upping it, but right now I'm at about 200 milligrams.

2:05:11SpeakerAnd so, yeah, that's my form of cannabinoids. I'm plus doing the talk. So yeah, it's on my breast, my liver, my lungs, so they say. So yeah, I'm just, I'm really curious and I just woke up, so that's why I look great. And hi Marcus.

2:05:26BubblemanHey Harvest. Nice to see you. Nice to see you as well. I'm so like, wow, that was such a, like, we were just kind of in this really sort of light kind of talking science, getting into some stuff.

2:05:38SpeakerRight, I know, yes.

2:05:39BubblemanI was like, okay, you guys are showing up with the real, real. I was just texting Colin. I'm like, okay, we're going deep now, dude. This is how Hash Church is. Yeah, so perfect timing. We're happy to go deep with you.

2:05:51SpeakerI love cannabis. The cannabis is, you know, it's done everything for me. I'm a huge believer. I also take, you know, I've heard of other supplements. They're also supposed to create apoptosis or the autophagy. I've done long-term fasting. I do intermittent fasting. I'm doing, you know, I'm in ketosis all the time. You know, like I'm praying, I'm meditating, I'm sonning, I'm doing all the things. And I just, I just, I haven't really felt a palpable shift, but I'm also, you know, I'm a great believer in my plant allies, especially the cannabis.

2:06:23SpeakerSo yeah, I'm just here. I just want to ask the pros, the profesh, And people who actually have experience with what's going on. Yeah, and although we've had a light conversation, you know, this is what Hash Church is all about.

2:06:36BubblemanDude, this is exactly what Hash Church is all about. I'm ready for it. It's quality. It's healthy. Oh, go ahead, Colin.

2:06:44Collin PalmerI'm helping a patient now. I have a call with him at four. He's in his late 70s, and...

2:06:52Collin PalmerYou know, much like yourself, it's about how you can build a regimen for yourself and encompassing some sort of normality for you. And that's awesome that you have Kelly there and a resource around you to help you get through these. Um, milligrams are verving wise. I think, you know, as much as you can take, I think you should be taking as often as you can, um, to help, um, with your inflammation, with your ability to eat and, you know, take protein.

2:07:25Collin PalmerAnd I think protein is another thing through diet is really important in this time. Um, and topicals for yourself that you can use. Um, I, I truly believe in, um, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:08:01Collin PalmerIs not always what you're going to metabolize. And I've seen that with many different individuals that I've helped throughout my time of doing this. But that's my suggestion is trying to pair your diet with your intake and timing of that intake throughout the day.

2:08:19BubblemanThat's well said. I've helped a lot of people over the years, but really all I've done is kind of shared information, you know, that other people have really come up with. And for me, especially when it's like an advanced stage cancer, I had two people in my life about maybe 15 years ago Maybe 10 or 12. I lose track. But one was my uncle, and he got a very advanced form of cancer, esophageal.

2:08:44BubblemanAnd another was my friend, my partner, Martin, who we did the hemp thing together. His mother-in-law, Elsie, had metastatic bone, breast, and liver, I believe, were the ones that... It's bad, right? From the doctor's perspective, it's a death sentence. But Elsie just had eight grandchildren, way too much to live. I'm so excited to be here with you today. I'm so excited to be here with you today.

2:09:29BubblemanYou know, I originally sent 60 grams of LHO from Horatio. I asked Horatio to make me the best, cleanest product he could make. And he did an amazing job and gave me 60 syringes full of LHO. And he kind of suggested as well. He's like, listen, man, like if it's a Hail Mary, like if it's like stage. Thank you for joining us.

2:10:18BubblemanAnd passing away not too long after. Well, when I got the oil back, Martin reached out to me and he said, my mother-in-law, Elsie, is sick. She has these types of cancers. Would it be possible if you got some product for her? And I said, yeah, I'll send, I've got something right now. I'll send her. And I told her the same thing. And it was scary to tell her that because I don't know if I could consume a gram of cannabinoids orally a day like that is like she was in a coma for 36 hours.

2:10:45BubblemanJust to give you an idea, the first one she did, her daughter, who is also not a cannabis user and the mother of eight and also a grandmother. She also did it with Elsie one of the days, like took the dose so she could be there with her in it. And was just like, oh my God, like it is not like to do that for 60 days is like, I don't even know how to explain it.

2:11:10BubblemanAnyway, Elsie just celebrated her 80th birthday about three or four days ago. I think there really is something and I'm not a doctor. I'm not, you know, like, but I really think there's something. And I talked to this guy in Colorado recently who was talking about psychedelic mushrooms and he was getting into these four and 500 milligram doses, like 10 grams over five grams and saying different things happen when you approach the door differently.

2:11:35BubblemanAnd to get that just zooted off of cannabis, like this psychedelic level, I honestly think when you're in that state, that's a big part of the healing. I'm not, I'm like, yeah, put creams on, like have a dab and reduce your anxiety, like Make sure you're eating edibles so you can sleep really well. But like, there's something to be said. And it's almost what I've told, you know, every single person that I've ever, you know, I met another woman at Rethink Breast Cancer.

2:12:05BubblemanI went years ago to the Rethink Breast Cancer. And this was my dear friend, Alison Gordon, who started this with MJ Dakota. And they were like, breast cancer is the way they promote it and explain it and share it with women is for old women. And she's like, breast cancer isn't old women anymore. It's everyone. She's like, we need to be talking to women who are just about to have their first baby, who are just graduating from college, who are just.

2:12:29BubblemanAnd so they created this entire different platform to promote the education of breast cancer and the pathways just to build kind of a hub for women. I was invited to go to one of these events. And I remember how heavy it was because every woman in the audience had breast cancer so badly in advance that all their hair had already fallen out from chemo. And it was just heavy.

2:12:55BubblemanIt was fucking heavy. And I could see in the room that the women were looking for one thing. Every single one of them wanted the same thing. They wanted fucking hope. That's all they wanted. They just wanted some hope. Just give me some hope. I can do the rest. If you give me a little tiny bit of hope, I will do the rest. And the doctors were, there was like three medical doctors and I'm not a doctor.

2:13:16BubblemanI'm just sitting there with my mouth shut. And, you know, at one point the woman asks like, well, you know, but can cannabis, like can cannabis shrink cancer cells? And the doctors couldn't answer it. And they were like, well, we can't really say that because, you know, they're protecting their licenses. I get it. Well, I grabbed the mic finally. And I just said, listen, If you look up the University of Madrid, Andre Guzman and Dr. Christina Sanchez, they have done incredible work on showing how THC, cannabis, cannabinoids can indeed induce apoptosis in cancerous cells.

2:13:50BubblemanAnd they kind of explain, there's little videos on YouTube and I talked about it a little bit. Anyway, long story short, I ended up at the end, one woman in particular came up to me And she was like, where can I get this stuff? And like, I'm not really like my husband's a fireman and I do this. Like we're not in this world of cannabis. And so I was like, well, you know what?

2:14:09BubblemanCome out to my car and I'll give you everything I have. I have a big stash and I'll just give it to you. I ended up sending her some more stuff down the line. Her name was Judith. She had breast cancer. Alison, who had been doing this for a while, you know, she said, Mark, that's so sweet and amazing that you're doing that. But it's just it's so like so these women, so many of these women pass away and it's just so sad.

2:14:32BubblemanYou see, it was affecting her spiritually. It was like a weight of the thing she chose to do. There was a sacrifice for it. There was a weight that she was taking on for each and every one of these people she would sometimes lose. And so she was a bit pessimistic. And I said, no, I'm going to give Judith hope. I'm going to give Judith cannabinoids. And I still talk to Judith.

2:14:53BubblemanIt's been like 10 years. She totally beat her cancer. She's having a great life. That's all that we need to hear is about hope. Because I think hope is the spark. That allows these things to take place in the first place. You know, there's molecules, there's chemistry, there's science, and then there's the unperceivable. And I think they're both equally as important. And I know Kelly does too, because she talks about the unperceivable all the time.

2:15:22BubblemanShe comes from the unperceivable. Dr. Mark comes from the science. You put them both together. It's just like a beautiful peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Synergies, tastes good, sticks to the roof of your mouth. I mean, who doesn't love that?

2:15:37SpeakerThat's exactly what we need to hear because I also have a lot of experience in cannabis comas with friends and people who have just reached out because, you know, back in the day, we were the only holders of cannabis and definitely RSO and the strongest shit that you could get. So my suggestion would always be just if you're taking it, Take more. And if you think you've taken enough, take more.

2:16:09SpeakerAnd then if you think you've taken enough after that, take more. It's always been my suggestion.

2:16:14BubblemanWe know the demons are fear, right? And so what do they do? They try to fear you out of experience, this heavy experience of taking large doses of cannabinoids. Well, that's where the healing happens. So it's like, of course, the demon's going to be like, hey, don't do that. Like, that's kind of scary. I saw it with my uncle. Like, he just, I'm so sad that my uncle isn't here today.

2:16:35BubblemanYou know what I mean? He was a good dude, but he was so afraid that he chose fear. And you don't think Elsie was afraid to take a gram of cannabinoids a day like I think she was. I think it destroyed her for the first probably two weeks like she was a zombie. She couldn't do anything. But you're almost in this coma of healing. You're in this level of sleep that is so much for it's into the imperceivable.

2:17:01BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:17:29BubblemanTwo-year-old kids with tumors in their heads, THC. I've also seen moms be like, well, I'm just going to go with CBD because THC and the getting high. And it was Brandon Krenzler who first went on the Vice documentary called Stoned Kids with his daughter, Michaela. She had leukemia at eight years old. And they would interview her about what it was like to consume large doses of THC.

2:17:53BubblemanAnd one of the things she said that I thought was so amazing was she's like, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:18:22BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:18:38BubblemanFrom Schedule 1 to Schedule 3, when we can finally acknowledge that, oh, it's medicinal, that people will be less worried. Why can I throw the pharmaceutical sink at a child? I can give them any drug on the list to see if it's going to work on their disease, but I can't, like, give them cannabis with people judging? Like, that is absolutely insane.

2:18:56SpeakerYeah, but, you know, don't give them raw honey either.

2:18:58BubblemanNo, no, come on. Pasteurize that shit.

2:19:02SpeakerYeah, we can give them 16 vaccines, but no honey. I like what you're saying, Marcus, because I mean, just my relationship with cannabis, you know, like y'all is like, it's super special and intimate and personal. And I like what you said about hope being the spark, you know, hope is a spark, but I feel like courage is also the devil, you know, like for anybody who has like a diagnosis, I don't like the word, but a diagnosis that, you know, is fairly severe.

2:19:31SpeakerI mean, to the, oops, to the extent that My GP has offered me pain medication, whatever I want. I have a prescription for hydromorphone, like insanity. And I took it once. And it doesn't work for me. I'm opioid resistant. Either that or chemo or my third option is MAID. So that's how much, you know, encouragement my doctor is giving me. And they're ready to go for MAID now.

2:20:01SpeakerWe can kill you quickly or we can kill you slowly, basically, are my options. Can you explain MAID? But I also, oh, MAID, medical, whatever, where they basically assist suicide. Yeah, it's like slippery slope. I can do that. Yeah, right. It's ridiculous. So, I mean, I'm not letting that take my wind out of my sails because my distress of the medical system is, you know, it's a lifelong thing.

2:20:24SpeakerBut I mean, I love the cannabis coma idea and I started integrating it a little bit and I felt like, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:20:59SpeakerAnd but the cannabis coma thing is always really intrigued me. I do have a friend down in the US. God bless you, Debbie. And I remember her cannabis coma. I mean, she was definitely non-functional. And she said that it wasn't just the cannabis she felt like was working on her. It was her basically like come to Jesus moment that cannabis offered her where she, you know, basically just Rethought all of her life and forgave and asked forgiveness for all the people that she had heard or wronged or anything like that or had any kind of misunderstandings like it completely just altered her direction in her life and just made her so humble and the humility that she garnered from it was just, you know, and I think that also is a huge fundamental part of the healing process.

2:21:45SpeakerAbsolutely. So I'm game. I'm just, I just needed this encouragement. And this hope and just talking to people who actually know what they're talking about. I mean, this is just, this is absolutely priceless for me. Thank you guys.

2:22:01Etienne FontanAll right. Well, I'm going to step in and I'm going to be real, real here. So this comes from a pace of deep love and appreciation. First off, I'm not a doctor or a physician. Okay. This isn't medical advice, only general information from personal perspective. Okay. What works if you and I had the same cancers, what works for you won't work for me. OK, so this is all a personal journey of an individual.

2:22:27Etienne FontanOK, so that's one of the more frustrating things I have to convey early to patients. Is this may not work. Okay. Um, I, I am one who does, uh, I have a great deep distrust for the medical community and have, but there comes a time and a place where there are needed. So I do recommend both. I understand why you made your choice. So I'm just, I just wanna state that caveat just as itself.

2:22:56Etienne FontanI am a, uh, a combat veteran and my healthcare is the VA healthcare. And when I had my pinched nerve a couple months ago, I went there. There was no holistic praying or cannabis that could help me, unfortunately. So that being said. I'm not stealing any hope. I just want to be real because hope is the most important thing you need to have right now. You have to believe that there is a tomorrow, that there is a future, that there is everything that you want to live for.

2:23:27Etienne FontanSo with that being said, I highly recommend FICO, which people have known as Rick Simpson Oil. And high doses, I recommend broad spectrum. What Colin talked about earlier, proteins, topical, the highest dosages that you can find or make, and close to one-to-one as possible, meaning one CBD, one THC. There seems to be a symbiotic relationship across... A lot of people I have seen self heal by going that direction.

2:24:01Etienne FontanAnd you're going to be going through a lot of deep healing that is basically a shock your body is going to be going through while you're at those high dosages. But it's a wonderful sensation. So do your best to ride it out. You know, have comfortable things around you, things you love and appreciate, pictures that are part of you that are memory things. So when you're too high, you can see that and it's something that is comforting to you.

2:24:28Etienne FontanThat's also the same thing we find in psychedelics and psychedelic use because these high dosages can be and will be psychedelic to you and to people, right? Bone broth, deep healing foods, deep rich greens, you know, spinaches and collard greens and things like that. High pH water, apple cider vinegar. You know, high pH above nine really seems to, we've had a friend of ours that was on years ago who he has a full on high pH because he was able to heal himself through high pH water.

2:25:07Etienne FontanSo he has a full on water system attached to his municipal system. So he gets over nine pH when he turns on the taps. And by cooking with that and having that type of food and intake, those high alkaloids also help, right? You're looking for as much as you can natural one, two, while you're going through these high dosages, right? So that's why sometimes you don't feel hungry.

2:25:32Etienne FontanThat's why these deep nurturing, healing foods are really needed. Bone marrow, things like that. You know, if you're vegetarian, I know that it's hard to hear, but... Those are, and more for the audience if they're listening, not for y'all, I understand you're into that, but you need as deep healing of food that can sustain you because your body is going to self-deplete itself through trying to heal and fighting itself, right?

2:25:59Etienne FontanThat's true. So I just wanted to, you know, you're gonna, you can get through this, all right? Fight with everything that you can. And we believe in you. We're here for you. I just wanted to be the realizt. I'm all about cheerleading and rah, rah, rah. But after 27 years of being on the front lines or providing with patients, I've seen everything in between. And I hope for and wish for and will put out the best energy for the best possible outcome for you because you deserve it.

2:26:34Etienne FontanWe all deserve it. Nothing but love and respect.

2:26:38SpeakerOh, well, thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of experience with herbs. I have been a herbalist for like 30 years, and I have a huge trust and faith in my plant allies, which, you know, faith is such a huge part of healing. I am taking, as I said, a myriad of supplements. I mean, I am on a ketogenic diet solely. I do sleep a lot.

2:27:03SpeakerThat's just one thing. I'm tired, but I have pain, but it's intermittent. Do you want to go through what you're doing, like what kind of diet and stuff you're doing right now? Oh, I'm just on a ketogenic diet. I'm just eating lots of fats. At this point, I've been taking so many supplements. I was doing ivermectin and penbendazole, all the vitamins, vitamin B, vitamin E, vitamin A, doing the iodine, doing the molybdenum, doing the black seed oil, which I really love.

2:27:35SpeakerThe cannabis oil, the THC, the CBG, the CBD, iodine, Um, oh my gosh. And then all the binders, you know, the, the, the clay and the, um, chlorella, I'm taking lots of chlorophyll. I'm it's the list goes on, you know, I'm just taking all the things. And then sawing maybe every other night. Sawing, walking, you know, getting my lymphatic drainage happening for sure. Cause there's, you know, I've got lots of clogging.

2:28:02SpeakerUm, but yeah, I feel like I'm taking this from like a, a, a fairly educated, but also like you said, very, very personal. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:28:39Speakerum like every single aspect of it including how people treat you you know like now i'm not just like hey harvey the cute fun loving like now i'm like i'll be the lady with cancer you know it's just like you know he kind of kicks you down a little bit of a notch socially you know whatever um but and also the choices were made because you were also a medical professional And your work.

2:29:02SpeakerYeah, I mean, I've practiced midwifery for 25 years. I'm not doing that anymore. But yeah, so but I'm not opposed to integrating and incorporating other modalities. You know, like, like I said, I'm taking ivermectin and fenbendazole. You know, I might start looking at other, you know, pain relieving I'm not opposed to taking low dose chemo. I'm not opposed to doing other alternate therapies that aren't really offered here in Canada at all.

2:29:39SpeakerI am thinking of going to Turkey and working with like a cancer clinic there for a few weeks. So yeah, so I'm not opposed to doing, you know, Intermingling what I'm doing with the medical paradigm, but I want to do it from like a really focused and, you know, integrative and individual foundational perspective. So yeah, that's what I'm trying to do right now is find my way.

2:30:04SpeakerBut I also, I don't want to leave out the cannabis aspect of it. I really would love that to be a huge part of my healing. And at least if it doesn't And absolutely 100% eradicate what's going on with me. At least again, like I was talking about when Marcos was talking about giving, getting that alternate perspective on life as it does when you're in that coma, when you're just looking at everything from a whole different point of view, you know, everything's magical, sparkly, psychedelic, hard, you know, nausea inducing, or just Thank you so much for joining us.

2:31:05SpeakerWhat they give you in chemo and radiation is just across the board, three different things. It's all the same. You know, it's very unindividualistic. And so that's the journey that I'm going down right now. That's trying to individualize, you know, what I need, what would work for me, what resonates. Yeah. So we'll see. And I appreciate this. I appreciate this platform so much. You guys are all right.

2:31:30SpeakerMark, any thoughts? Why are you taking ivermectin?

2:31:41SpeakerBecause it's just another one of those medications that have been used quite successfully, you know, as far as I can tell, right? Because I'm from a DIY perspective over here. But what I've read in people's stories about how ivermectin and benzoin cure them, because the way that medication works is that it actually uses the same kind of metabolic pathways as cancer does. So Just because it's anti-parasitical doesn't mean that it's going to be effective in treating cancer.

2:32:13SpeakerAnd if anything, it's not going to. So there you go. That's why I'm taking it. I'm not aware of it being used to treat cancer at all. Oh, gosh, it's so much research. There is a lot of like PubMed articles, like hundreds and hundreds. Yeah, there's been a lot of studies.

2:32:32BubblemanThat doesn't mean it's approved.

2:32:34SpeakerNo, it's not approved.

2:32:36BubblemanBut remember, cannabis wasn't approved, Dr. Mark, and we've been using that for a while.

2:32:41SpeakerFor me, it was like, it's not approved. I'm actually a little bit more into it. Because those things seem to be more efficacious, or at least have been used for Potentially thousands and thousands of years.

2:32:53BubblemanOr you could think that the organizations who don't consider it properly, that's the National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, and European Medicines Agency. Aside from the European agency, the other agencies, the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society have higher numbers than they've ever had in the history of cancer. So whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working.

2:33:21BubblemanJust my two cents. I would think that. The numbers would go down if you figured something out. If you didn't figure something out, then you just have to look into whatever it is. The reason I've seen, I've only seen ivermectin used in parasites, but there's a whole host of people, including Dr. Hulda Clark, who wrote Cure for All Cancers and Cure for All Diseases, who believed that all disease was related to parasites in your organs.

2:33:50BubblemanSo her whole trip was like, your organ needs to be saturated with a solvent. And once it gets to that point, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:34:16BubblemanYeah, I mean, shit, at the end of your life, you have to take the pathway that you have to take, you know?

2:34:21SpeakerYeah, well, the ivermectin, fenbendazole, like, there's the Joe Tippins protocol, there's Dr. Mackis in Alberta, Dr. Joe Campbell in England, like, they've done tons of research, they have lots, they're medical oncologists, or maybe not as a specialty, but it's something that is in part of their practice. They have lots of protocols out there. Joe Tippins is probably the most, uh, So yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:34:50BubblemanWell, heavy stuff, man. That's life is crazy. You know, you have all sorts of problems in life, all sorts. You can have hundreds of problems right up until you get sick and then you only have one problem. You just have one problem now. It's like, okay, I got this one problem. I can focus on this and it's heavy. Bless you. Yeah.

2:35:10SpeakerBless you guys. Yeah, and I also think that it's very interesting to me that there can be 1.8 million cases of breast filaresis in India. Every quarterly, so maybe that's like every four years. I can't really say how many years that is, but it's quite astounding how much breast filarsis is prevalent. And that basically is nematodes inside of the breast tissue and inside of the lymphatic attached to the breast.

2:35:48SpeakerAnd they say that it's only found in tropical zones and areas, blah, blah, blah. But yet North America and extremely prevalent in Africa, extremely prevalent all over the world, as well as like heartworm. Heartworm also, you know, you find it in a lot of places and there's only certain Um, areas, certain countries, certain specialists that diagnose it that will even treat these, um, parasitical infections. Uh, but yet in North America, parasitical specialists are really nowhere to be found.

2:36:26SpeakerUm, parasitical, um, there is maybe like one, uh, specialist that you'll find within like maybe five hospitals that use this one Specialist that's a parasitologist and looks at things other than maybe just pinworms or something that's just totally typical. So I just think that it's very interesting that everywhere else in the world really addresses parasitical issues. Parasitical issues that often are misdiagnosed for cancer. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:37:22SpeakerIt is very important that we look at parasites as a very degrading form to our immune system overall and that if we aren't addressing parasites and if we aren't addressing Um, fungi, fungi, fungi is huge that we, um, you know, we can see fungi taking over cells just like cancer. In fact, there's a multitude of doctors that say that a lot of cancer is fungi. So who's to know we're at the very beginning stages of what we think.

2:38:00SpeakerYou know, cancer even is. And from each individual, there's such a broadcast synopsis of diagnostics that's like, oh, cancer. That's what it is. It's cancer. I mean, can they tell that even by looking at, you know, an X-ray or an MRI or a CT scan? You know, there's... And a lot of people that they'll say have cancer, then they take a blood test, but then there's no cancer markers.

2:38:30SpeakerThey're devoid of the cancer markers that they say, oh, you definitely have to have cancer. I just think that there's a lot of really interesting Miss information out there that it's incredibly important that we have to take health into our own hands, that we absolutely cannot go to one doctor and have one diagnostic or go to one modality. I say we need to go to the guy that throws the bones, the woman that throws the tarot cards, the guy that's going to get you into a CT scan, the guy that's going to order an MRI.

2:39:07SpeakerThe person that knows all about, you know, how to fix bones and the person who does parasite. And I personally know of three different people that have done very hardcore parasite cleanses that got rid of their stage four cancer within three months. So was it cancer? Or is cancer parasites or does it, does it, yeah, well, fungi is parasitical. You know, I don't want to just say parasitical in the, in the name of like just things that you can see, but you know, fungi, bacteria, anything that's parasitizing your body, which unfortunately we give fodder by eating tremendous amounts of sugar, I mean, glyphosate, all these different types of chemicals that really, what are they feeding?

2:40:02SpeakerAre they feeding good biology or are they feeding parasitical things within us? I would say the latter. And I know that when I'm treating people in other parts of the world at the clinics that I've run, The amount of parasites that I've seen there that people have been able to clear up immediately and then clear up not just, oh, well, we see pinworms, but this child has also been showing unbelievable mucus and the child has also been showing malaise and they've been tired.

2:40:34SpeakerAnd they've been, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, symptom, mast, symptom, symptom, symptom, symptom, get rid of the pinworms. Whoa, now the body has an immune system to be able to deal with all of these secondary symptomatic issues. So I'm a real big believer in anything Thank you for joining us today.

2:41:20BubblemanAbsolutely. Well said, Kelly. Appreciate the words. It's good. People get inspired, get the information out there. It's someone's pissed off in the chat. They're like, oh, this sound like Joe Rogan. He's all like kind of closed minded. He's not really open to the idea that that the imperceivable exists. And that's OK. You know, I have an appreciation for the science of health. I have an appreciation. Like if I I've said it before, if I tore off my arm today.

2:41:49BubblemanYou think I'd go to a homeopath? Like I would go right to the emergency room and they would like sew my arm back on and it would be amazing. They have very good numbers for like getting people's limbs back on their body and working. Where it scares me is the disease numbers. They have, they have less, there's just, they're almost compelled. They are compelled. I knew they were compelled when they couldn't, they couldn't give those women with breast cancer in the audience hope.

2:42:16BubblemanThey refused to do it because they were compelled by speech to protect their own licenses. And that's where the corruption happens. That's where it gets greasy. That's where it's just, it's not good, right? It's... Yeah, I don't even know how to put it into words more than that, but just that sort of gatekeeping and protecting and word of God. And it's like, look, of course, you went to school for many years.

2:42:39BubblemanYou're an MD. I'm totally impressed. I think it's amazing. You're a healer. A ton of people who go into healing are truly healers. Nurses are amazing people. They really believe about care. And believe it or not, there are good surgeons. There are good doctors that really are like, I want, these are the tools I got. But if you open your mind as a doctor and you realize, isn't it weird that I wasn't taught about the endocannabinoid signaling system when that is like a major part of the immune system and the central nervous system coalescing?

2:43:12BubblemanLike, how could we have a system That avoids this thing. And it's like, oh, weird how that thing is connected to this thing over here that they said had no medical use. So it's not just like a little white lie. It's like super complex organizational gas lighting to a massive percentage of the population. And I'm always kind of blown away. When people are like, wow, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, you sound like Joe Rogan.

2:43:38BubblemanIt's like, okay, well, that's no problem. I like, I like Joe Rogan, so I don't mind sounding like Joe. But on the flip side, don't you kind of see this other thing that's going on here? Like, if this was a movie, would you be rooting for the pharmaceuticals? Or companies like I don't think you would. You'd be sitting there going, you know, Aaron Brockovich, get him. Like, yeah, all these people have cancer and these fucking companies were responsible for it.

2:44:01BubblemanIt's never the other way around. You're never rooting for pharma. So I'm always wondering why people do it in a chat room on an alternative cannabis podcast. I mean, whatever. Free speech. Do your thing. Do your thing.

2:44:18BubblemanI need it.

2:44:19SpeakerAwesome. Oh my God. I love you so much, Marcus. It's good to see you. It's good to see you too. I hope to see you again. I'll see you somewhere down the line.

2:44:29BubblemanYou will.

2:44:30SpeakerYeah. God willing. Absolutely. I mean, the whole, you know, C chat is, is, is so complex. And like you said, I mean, The Cancer Society, how long have they been around? How many billions or hundreds of billions of dollars have been invested in them? They're still like, we're just, I don't know what causes cancer, you know, over proliferation of cells. I mean, this is very simplistic.

2:44:53BubblemanWell, just look at your side of it. Like you, you're afraid of it. You're like that, that scares the shit out of me, that whole, but you're still sitting here going, but you know what? I'm open to it. So it shows me which side is more open when the other side is like, you sound like fucking Joe Rogan. It's like, okay, so you're open to it at least.

2:45:10SpeakerYeah, well, I mean, in Canada, they want to give you chemo doses that that will either kill you or so they say heal you. But is it ever really healed? Because it seems like most people who not most, but a lot of people who go through chemo, they have a resurgence of cancer at some other point. You know, in their life. So they have to keep taking, you know, immunosuppressants or keep getting radiation or keep getting whatever without addressing the root cause.

2:45:35SpeakerI'm really into root cause. And I mean, like Kelly was saying, like inflammation, inflammation in the body. Like when I had my CT scan four months ago, like the way they diagnosed my diagnosis. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:46:17SpeakerYou know, that might be a provocation for this event, cascade event that's happening in my body. Right now, I'm just trying to like keep it at bay. So get on top of it. I don't want it to get worse. And then eventually, once there's stability there, that I'm able to really address it and slowly heal and heal and heal. And probably because my mindset's changed now, my priorities have changed, my friend systems have changed, like my location has changed.

2:46:46SpeakerLike I moved from my place where I've been living for 30 years to come live with these guys, which are kind of the best decision I've ever made in my life.

2:46:53Ryan Dank AfYou're in good hands.

2:46:56SpeakerSo, you know, it's like it's a big shake up that happens. And to me, like when I first got my diagnosis, I really embraced it and I wasn't afraid of it. And I really embraced it as a gift because it's truly a gift, you know, to have something happen to you that really shifts your mindset and shifts all your priorities around. It's an absolute gift. So that's the approach that I'm giving it as well.

2:47:24SpeakerI'm not giving it my fear. I'm not giving it my anxiety. I'm definitely not giving it my what ifs because in my midwifery practice, that's the killer. All the what ifs, but what if, but what if, you can kill yourself with what ifs.

2:47:37BubblemanYou know, so I'm... Because what ifs are projecting yourself into a worst case future scenario, which is like, ooh, that's not good.

2:47:47SpeakerExactly, exactly. Yeah, I'm trying to, you know, I'm 95% positive. Of course, I have my low points, especially when I'm in pain or, you know, I talk to my doctor because he, that always depresses the hell out of me. But yeah, I mean, full steam ahead. Anybody else is going through this. I'm sure there's people out there, if it's not themselves, it's their loved ones. But again, like you said, hope is the spark.

2:48:13SpeakerCourage is the fuel. You know, just like keep having courage. If you know anybody who has this diagnosis, you know, instead of giving them pity and like, oh, and oh, Please just give them courage. Like, I just wish you all the courage in the world, you know, stand by them instead of it being just like, oh God, you're going to die, you know, or, you know, everybody has a fear of death.

2:48:32SpeakerSo, you know, once they hear of this diagnosis, it kind of equates death. But yeah, courage, I think is, is just the biggest gift to be able to give to somebody in this situation. So, and yeah, I'm going to go into cannabis coma. I'm going to give myself 30 days. Yeah, I'll just guess like this one is kind of looking at like dosages, I guess it's just like titrate up, titrate up to, you know, if I can wake up, what, two hours out of the day, I'm doing good.

2:48:58SpeakerLike, I don't even know, like, what's my tops.

2:49:00BubblemanLike, I mean, it really depends on how you are reactive to it. Like I said, Elsie, who had never used cannabis in her life was didn't come around for 36 hours after consuming a gram. It was a long time. Kind of freaked them all out. I'm not going to lie. To me, it was a mind blower that she was like, all right, I'm going to keep like she obviously must have felt something.

2:49:23BubblemanYou know what I mean? When she came out of that, she must have been like there had to have been some type of a shift. And I've never really talked to her about this. I should to see what led her to being like, all right, I guess I got to do it again now. Like I'm already 12 hours late on my last dose. Well, holy shit.

2:49:42SpeakerOh, bless you. Hi, Ryan.

2:49:45Ryan Dank AfHow are you?

2:49:45SpeakerGood to see you. I'm good. Thank you. Nice to see you.

2:49:48Ryan Dank AfI'm glad that you're there full time.

2:49:50SpeakerYeah, I know. What a gift. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. You know.

2:49:56Ryan Dank AfEnvironment and people.

2:49:57SpeakerExactly. Yeah, I've got setting down. For whatever is ahead. So bless you guys. Okay, well, hopefully you guys will get some feedback of my experience. I think we're going to start documenting it because I think that documenting this is just really important. And I think that, you know, if anybody can give people with stage 4064 cancer hope, it's going to be Harvest. So we're going to start documenting and probably putting it up on Dragonfly Earth Medicine site or at least find a place to go with it.

2:50:40SpeakerAnd maybe we'll come in here every once in a while just to let everybody know. And thanks so much, guys. It was really great spending time with you all this morning. And really, anybody out there who's also dealing with stuff, just reach out to us.

2:51:00BubblemanHow would they do that? What's a good way to reach out?

2:51:05SpeakerYou can reach out to our, to our, my DM, which is Dragonfly Earth Medicine on Instagram. And then I'll get you straight over to Harvest on her Instagram. Do you want to talk, do you want to say your Instagram? Or we'll just go with her mind. We'll just go with her mind. Dragonfly Earth Medicine. And then, um, And they can talk to us there.

2:51:27BubblemanIt's a good idea. Good idea to have you as a buffer because you can filter out any like wankers that feel that they might want to tell you that you should be doing this instead of this. And we're just looking for hope more than critiques.

2:51:39SpeakerYeah. I'm going to kill your grandmother. Yeah.

2:51:47Etienne FontanBut sisters also document what works and what doesn't work, right? What seems to work for you is something we found when people were searching for their cannabis, right? Because there's so many thousands of, you know, varietals out there, right? So what works for you and what doesn't work for you? Also document what doesn't work for you because when you're high, you not necessarily won't remember when you're sober.

2:52:11Etienne FontanAnd so it's just a little helpful reminders by keeping a little diary of what you're taking daily. So, you know, is also helpful because it will also be helpful for others in the future.

2:52:23SpeakerExactly. Yeah. Yeah. I am documenting it. What I'm taking in my experiences and the, you know, the subtle and not so subtle physical shifts that are happening. Yeah, but yeah, excellent advice, you know, because it's easy to forget. You know, it's like, was that last week? Was that two months ago? So yeah, it's really important for whatever I choose to do moving forward that I have pretty accurate documentation.

2:52:45SpeakerI'd recommend that to anybody. Take five minutes, write it down. Yeah, I thought some nice headphones with Vaughn Benjamin is going to be pretty amazing too in that cannabis coma. Rigging? Yeah. She's trying to get me into rigging. It's beyond that.

2:53:02BubblemanReggae is the greatest thing ever. Are you kidding me? Trying to get you into it? Just get into it. The bass will heal you.

2:53:09SpeakerI'm not going to have any choice. I'm going to be in a coma. She's going to be curating my whole auditory experience. Oh, yeah. That's actually great. I love that. Thank you guys. You're a blessing. A blessing to the world. On that, I think let's have a quick smoke with everybody and again, reach out to me and then we'll go. And thanks again for taking the time.

2:53:37SpeakerAnd I don't mean you guys necessarily, of course, you guys taking the time, but people out there taking the time for people who they love, who are ill. taking the time to listen taking the time to sort of bring down your energy vibration for those that we love and to find out more to educate ourselves i don't think that we can just rely on you know hearsay i think that we need to get out and educate ourselves um and i encourage everybody to do that and I'm just really thankful because I think that what I see more than anything in this human race, we can go on and on and on and talk about, you know, how terrible it is and how there's the man pressing down and the press a man with his thumb on everybody.

2:54:28SpeakerAnd we can talk about all the laws and it's really difficult, but we can also talk about the magic of humanity. And Ryan, I know you and I had a long conversation even last week about Just the magic of humanity and how people reach out to each other. And it really is why we're here. And it's a really beautiful reminder that that's why we have the presser man on us is because we have so much magic is because that capability and I believe in healing on all different kinds of levels because we have each other.

2:55:05SpeakerSo Thanks to everybody out there and thanks to you guys for keeping on because I know that you've dedicated your life to healing people. I mean, that's what you're all here for. That's what you're doing.

2:55:22BubblemanAwesome. Well, I just took my dab and it was delicious. It was delicious. Denver got my tolerance up because I would sit and take like 30 or 40 dabs with people because it's like a big deal, right? Like, and I felt it like it was a big deal to me. It was, I was asking all these people if they would be willing to take a picture with me and then they'd be like, I was going to ask you to take a picture with me.

2:55:43BubblemanI was like, dude, I'm just so stoked. A, you have any idea who I am and B, that you drove here to share your lovely flowers. Like to me, That is the epitome of this community. It's why I started Bubble Bags. I just wanted everyone to have good hash so I didn't have to constantly smoke my good hash with everyone and that sometimes they could smoke their great hash with me as well.

2:56:03BubblemanI thought that was the situation I wanted and that is the situation I got. So yeah, Denver was amazing. Shout out to Denver. See you later. Be well.

2:56:17Ryan Dank AfBless you, Harvest.

2:56:22Etienne FontanYes. I got to show you guys this. You're not going to, well, take a deep breath. Hmm. This was interesting. This is available right now in Sacramento, California. Glass House 8th for $3. No. What?

2:56:44BubblemanDude, that's unbelievable. That's like, fuck, I'd be buying 100 of them right now.

2:56:50Etienne FontanYeah, you can only get up to two ounces in California illegally. Oh, it's a gram. Pardon me, it's a gram. I'm wrong. It's $3 a gram. Still, $3 a gram.

2:56:57Ryan Dank AfA gram is still nothing.

2:56:59Etienne FontanI mean... Dude, that bud looks like it's worth $3 a gram. Right? Yeah, they don't take good pictures with their cannabis. They just do a snapshot. They don't go find sexy bud anymore like we used to. You know, we used to do. I mean, no offense, Colin, we do right behind you, right? We wanted the, you know, the high time centerfold, you know, you want the sexy bud, right?

2:57:23Etienne FontanYou know, nobody wants to look at some dried prune.

2:57:28Ryan Dank AfWell, yeah, maybe you want a picture that looks like what you're buying. Right? Like, that was one of the things we did on the Phytofax lab report is you have a picture of the bud so that you know that you can match that bud to the COA.

2:57:43BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, that was a tough one with hash because we'd want this like golden powder. We'd put it in. We'd be trying to keep it cold. And then like the power would go out for three days at the OCS warehouse. And they would call my work and be like, hey, do you want us to send this hash back? It's like 34 degrees Celsius in the in the warehouse right now.

2:58:05BubblemanAnd the guy that works at my company is like, oh, no, it'll be fine. And so then people buy the hash, the bubble hash. It was nice. It was like a five star, but it was like almost black and popped out. And the guy, they would be like, I want my money back. And I'd be like, OK, well, you know, I'll give you your money back or whatever.

2:58:24BubblemanBut I was like, was did it get you high? And he's like, oh, the high was amazing. And I was like, well, did it taste good? He said, oh, yeah, it tasted really good. I'm like, okay, and was it priced too high? He's like, oh, no, no, the price was right. And I said, well, what the fuck was the problem? And he said, basically, it didn't look like the picture.

2:58:44BubblemanYeah. It's like, oh, it was kind of like a giant kick in the nuts. Welcome to the Canadian market, right? And he was a Reddit guy. So I was like, ooh, the Reddit guys. Everyone's terrified of the Reddit guys because the Reddit guys will destroy your brand and business. And the reason it will happen that way is because the people who work at the AGLC and the BCLDB and the OCS, which are the companies that bring in liquor and cannabis into the province and then distribute it to out all the stores that order what they want from them.

2:59:17BubblemanThose guys, oh, where was I going with this? What did I just say?

2:59:22Ryan Dank AfThey check Reddit, do they?

2:59:23BubblemanOh, right, the Reddit guys. So they all read Reddit. So check this out. I had the hash hit, the hash joint, the pure hash joint. And we had sold like, I want to say 20,000 for the first order, 20 kilos to Alberta, or sorry, to the OCS Ontario. Alberta bought 15,000 of them. So 15 kilos of pure hash joints. BC wouldn't buy any until we got glass tips.

2:59:50BubblemanAnd they asked us about four months into COVID. They said, well, we were reading on Reddit that someone said that if you suck the flame in, you would burn their mouth. So I go on Reddit and I find it. And someone says, hey, I've never tried those. But if you suck too hard, would you suck the flame into your mouth? So he was asking a question. And the answer is no, you would not.

3:00:11BubblemanBut I didn't get to answer the question because I... Because Reddit, the BCLDB girl saw it and said, you have to have a glass tip. And it took us 11 months to get glass tips, five or six months into COVID. So BC really lost out on this like year of having a super cool, unique product that nobody else in the market sold. Nobody else in the market sold.

3:00:37BubblemanAnd they didn't get to have it. It was a real bummer.

3:00:41Ryan Dank AfThat typifies the BCLDB. I mean, BC, surprisingly BC, not only at the LDB, but the government as well have totally screwed the pooch on BC weed.

3:00:53BubblemanYeah, well, they're not from BC weed. They're not weed culture, you know, and it's unfortunate that I think in a perfect world, it made sense for those people who came from liquor for sure, got those cannabis jobs, some of them. I think they should have gotten some of them, mostly the ones that were about the logistics, Of how you bring the product in and move it and focus on that.

3:01:15BubblemanAnd then also a new person to consult for them saying, okay, this isn't liquor, it's cannabis, or we're going to have to create a supply chain that is cold for most of it. That could have been involved. They could have worked together, right? Only one guy wouldn't have gotten that done. And that's why it didn't get done. And then more cannabis people that are like, you know, involved in the purchasing of the cannabis, involved in the communication with stores, what's selling, what they should be ordering, like, It's just all such a mess up here.

3:01:43BubblemanIt's unfortunate. I'm not pretending to say I could do it better. What's that?

3:01:47Ryan Dank AfThey went through the industry and cherry picked people that they thought had significance and gave them jobs. Right. And they weren't the most qualified people to be handling the job. Right. It was just that they were a personality, that they had a big shop or whatever. And they ended up in some important position in the LDB. And frankly, the government is so addicted to the money, like they're making millions and millions of dollars.

3:02:12Ryan Dank AfThey don't want to do anything for it. They're certainly not open to any discussion of them giving some of that money back to the industry, you know?

3:02:21BubblemanYeah, that sucks.

3:02:22Ryan Dank AfThey go to the Cannabis Secretariat of BC, they show up and they go to these events and they glad hand people and they tell them, oh, we're going to do all this stuff for you that's significant and it's totally irrelevant. It helps nobody in the business and they feel good about the job they're doing and it's just a joke.

3:02:37BubblemanI guess it's tricky to find the people who are relevant in an industry that you don't understand or know.

3:02:43Ryan Dank AfIt's more that their whole job is like, hey, look, we're doing something for you guys. Yeah, yeah. Right? And they're not. Right. Like Alberta, Alberta, Manitoba, for example, there's a dollar excise tax that goes on every gram of cannabis. And that number was can't come up with when the idea was that every gram was going to sell for ten bucks.

3:03:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah.

3:03:07Ryan Dank AfAnd so they don't scale it as a percentage. It's just like a dollar flat rate. Manitoba forgoes their seventy five cents of that federal dollar that comes to the province. They're like, we're not charging it. So for every gram of cannabis that's taxed in Manitoba is taxed at 25 cents.

3:03:24BubblemanYeah, because you know why that is? Because real cannabis people have embedded themselves into that government structure. I've met one of them. I talked about him on Astrid. He's a huge head. His whole fucking house was tents and 3D printing devices to monitor, you know, RID for plants and just every hash making, rosin, bubble hash, every bongs galore, like his puffing corner, electric emails and stuff. And he was the main buyer for the Manitoba.

3:03:57BubblemanI don't know what that one's called.

3:04:00Ryan Dank AfYeah, I'm not sure. Well, some of the government decided that they were not going to take the 75 cents per gram from industry.

3:04:08BubblemanThat's amazing.

3:04:09Ryan Dank AfYeah. And that dollar goes on at the beginning of the supply chain. Like that's embedded into the cost of the grower. So when it passes to the distributor and the retailer, they're both making a markup on that one dollar. Right. So it's like that all passes on to the consumer. And yeah, like B.C. could just as easily say, hey, we're going to cut it down to even 50 cents.

3:04:31Ryan Dank AfRight. But the government's so addicted to the cash. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:04:58Ryan Dank AfIt's just more money to put into the economy, right? It's like they're hiring people, they're expanding, they're not like people, most people aren't walking away with millions of dollars in profit, right? It's like you're paying salaries and keeping the community going. So I think Dax and that, the way that they do is ridiculous.

3:05:16BubblemanYeah, it's crazy. Mike West is in the chat room right now. I haven't talked to him in a long time. It's nice to see him, but he just reminded me something that one of our executives did, like just in regards to people involved in this industry that have no idea. He goes, remember the time the executive failed to remove the plastic packaging around the hash stick and smoked it with the plastic straw?

3:05:39SpeakerOh my God.

3:05:40BubblemanThey may know financing, but still learning how to smoke. Government. Oh, no. I swear to God he did it. He was the COO. He was the head of operations. Okay. And this guy didn't know how to take a plastic straw off. Because what we did was we took a straw and we sliced it lengthwise and wrapped it around the hash joint. And we did that twice.

3:06:05Etienne FontanI know what it is.

3:06:06BubblemanIt's just I protected it from getting destroyed.

3:06:13Ryan Dank AfThat's shocking.

3:06:14BubblemanDude, I asked him about it and he was like, yeah, I kept trying to smoke it and it was dripping and melting. And I was like, is this how we smoke this thing? And he was telling me this story. And I was just like, I swear to God, I just couldn't wrap my head around it. I was like, OK, this has nothing to do with knowing about cannabis.

3:06:33BubblemanOK, this is about understanding what you're putting into your body. Everyone knows if you had a burger and you opened it up to check and make sure it had mustard and ketchup and pickles and you saw like a plastic straw there, you wouldn't close it back up and eat it. And if you like someone gave you a cigarette, you're a cigarette smoker and it had a straw wrapped around it, like would you ever in your right mind just like light that thing up and...

3:07:00BubblemanLike, it makes no sense.

3:07:02Etienne FontanIt's almost like... A hamburger comes in a wrapper. You don't eat the wrapper. You don't eat the wrapper. Right? You don't eat the styrofoam out. No, no, no. You eat the... Oh, my fucking God. Yeah, it's true. I'm still processing this.

3:07:14BubblemanWell, I was the one that got told that story. I'm not sure if Mike independently heard that story or if I told him. I feel like I might have told him, but he also might have been standing right next to me when this guy told us this. I can't remember where he was, but it was just unbelievable. I actually had worries, and this was very early on with our company.

3:07:34BubblemanI thought, this is going to be tough to succeed.

3:07:39Etienne FontanYeah, if that's your COO, yeah, you got to wonder about how you assembled a brain trust. Did I really do that? What did I assemble? The Avengers? No, it's not like that.

3:07:49BubblemanI didn't assemble any of them in my defense. I only had to work with them. I assembled Mike. Mike West was like the only person I assembled.

3:07:59Collin PalmerYeah, we all got third degree burns. It's all over the place, but it's our live and learn.

3:08:06Ryan Dank AfYou know, through the bubble, I mean, that was an interesting time for the cannabis world.

3:08:11BubblemanWhat's that?

3:08:13Ryan Dank AfIt was an interesting time for the cannabis world. That whole thing was an interesting time.

3:08:17Etienne FontanIt must have been like, well, it is bubbling.

3:08:21Ryan Dank AfI just mean like legalization, like through like all these green rushers coming in that had money and were trying to be part of it. And yeah.

3:08:31BubblemanThere were so many of them. And there's so many new people trying cannabis, I'm sure. I mean, listen, I won't name him by name, but there was a very famous reggae artist in Jamaica. And the first time he hit the D nail, it had my straight fab, big glass pipe. And we had like super nice dabs. I was with Tony. We were in this hotel room in Kingston.

3:08:52BubblemanHe came by. And he was like, I was like, try this, man. It's super crazy. It had a silicone carbide bowl, that D-nail one that screwed to the metal or titanium base that went into a drop down. So you didn't fuck with the Bistabool on your actual mothership. Anyway, he came up to the pipe and he was about to hit it. And I could just see him kind of be like, cause the cords and shit and the coil, it just all kind of threw him off and he blew into it.

3:09:19BubblemanAnd then the water like came out like a fountain and was like, And like made a big kind of like vapor cloud. Steam volcano. A steam volcano thing. So we wiped it up. And honestly, it wasn't really a big deal. Like it was like really not a big deal. It was like I tapped a bit more water. I lifted the thing out and poured more water in, put it back down.

3:09:42BubblemanAnd I was like... The silicone carbide bowl was so, it was a dish. It was so warm that it just was dry. It was like back to temperature in like 20 seconds or 15 seconds or something. So I was like, oh no, you know what? I've seen that kind of before. I said, you just, it's just like a chalice. Just inhale. And so he did. And he got a beautiful rip and it was awesome and amazing.

3:10:08BubblemanBut I'll tell you before that, both Tony and I, if you could have photographed our faces in the moment that the water came out of the top of the pipe, I think you could have photoshopped us onto bodies on that wooden thing that comes down the water slide at the fair and splashes through the water. And you got your scared face on. I bet you our faces looked exactly like that.

3:10:33BubblemanTrue story.

3:10:34Ryan Dank AfIt happens. It happens.

3:10:37BubblemanAh, shit happens, man. Shit happens.

3:10:41Ryan Dank AfWhat smoking device do you blow on? That's a funny one. Remember the dome list?

3:10:48SpeakerA nail up to temperature if it hits cold water will crack.

3:10:52Etienne FontanNot a silicon carbide. No, not the silicon one. And honestly, not a...

3:10:57BubblemanI don't know. Quartz is extremely well...

3:10:59Etienne FontanRemember the old quartz denail, the really thick? I did that. I actually did get water and it shattered on me.

3:11:04BubblemanBecause the thing about quartz is that it has a very strong resistance to thermal shock. You can heat it up red hot and dump it into water and it won't shatter, generally, if it's really well-blown, pure quartz. This was silicon carbide, which was like, I think... Maybe a little less strong than titanium, maybe as strong, I can't remember. It was extremely high on that scale, their strength.

3:11:32SpeakerYeah, I mean, the issue with any material is not just its thermal conductivity, but as the temperature drops when it hits water, right, things that are cold contract, things that are heated expand, right? And so as, as the cold part gets cold and it contracts, it's, you know, mechanical integrity can easily be compromised. Glass can't do that. Yeah. Glass would shatter. Even, even the best of quartzes could still shatter if part of the quartz cools down very rapidly and the other part is still rapidly hot.

3:12:14SpeakerYou know what I mean? So, yeah, it has to do with the thermal conductivity, but also like the elasticity, I guess, or like how certain materials maybe could undergo that change in temperature without rapidly changing in size.

3:12:32Collin PalmerWell, I can tell you from bioassay, from dropping those things into cold ISO, they have not broken. So...

3:12:41BubblemanNo, I've done cold water, dude, but it's also good quartz, you know, it's or alcohol iso all day long.

3:12:46Collin PalmerIt's broken, but I've broken ones that don't have, that are not pure quartz.

3:12:52BubblemanI had a marble crack. My top marble cracked in half, which was like, that's okay. I got lots, lots to play with. This is my new one.

3:13:02SpeakerAny material with micro defects can crack.

3:13:06BubblemanAbsolutely. That's why you got to get Pukin Beagle to blow your quartz. When it's quartz, get the Beagle.

3:13:17Collin PalmerYeah, that looks great.

3:13:19BubblemanI haven't even tried it yet, which is crazy. I've just been smoking off this JP Terp Slurper. I love this thing. This thing's great. A little bit dirty on the neck, needs a little bit of a cleaning, but that's just from last night and tonight. I came home to a clean bong.

3:13:35Collin PalmerI got to get my Legends slurper made again from him. It broke. I have Legends slurpers.

3:13:41BubblemanI have Legends of Hash, Terps Army, Colab slurpers, like about six or seven of them left that I didn't sell from my last Legends in Barcelona that I did with Lorenzo. They're nice. I'll send you pictures.

3:13:56Collin PalmerI want mine back from the wind. We've got Terp slurpers.

3:14:01BubblemanSorry, judges, judge slurpers, I mean.

3:14:05Collin PalmerOh, nice. That's cool. Yeah.

3:14:09Collin PalmerYeah, send me a pic. Maybe I'll grab one of those too.

3:14:12BubblemanYeah, they're pretty cool. I have too many to turn them into paper.

3:14:20BubblemanWell, what else, guys? We've got about 47 minutes left. If we want to go for four hours, there's got to be some other shit that we haven't covered today. Maybe the chat has some ideas. Maybe you guys have some ideas. I could talk a little bit more about Colorado because it really was quite good. I landed. I ended up at a gallery. I wish I knew the name of the gallery.

3:14:43BubblemanIt was super psychedelic. There were psychedelic people, so many of them in this place wearing psychedelic clothes and shirts and just looking like definitely tripping out on psychedelics. It was a psychedelic art gallery where there was one guy and I wish I would have gotten his name. He was live painting in the corner. And then we had a booth set up for Bubble Man Brand. Which was great.

3:15:04BubblemanWe were giving away dabs and hash hits to this whole crew. And I got to hang out there for about an hour. I think it was in conjunction with Rocky Road, Aurora, Colorado, Rocky Road. They got a Thornton and these guys are super cool. And I got to actually show you this because no one else has gone quite this hardcore. Although there was a guy in Michigan that did Billboard.

3:15:28BubblemanThese guys, which I thought was super cool. And this is the entrance to their door. When you walk up to their door, this is like, I don't know, it's like nine feet tall or something. They put my wizard with their logo up top and my logo up top. So this is like the entrance to their dispensary. I believe it's in Aurora. I could be getting that wrong.

3:15:50BubblemanI visited a couple of them while I was there. But I thought that was super cool to do a wrap like that. And they're doing something else inside the store. So big rule in Colorado, you can't go on your phone for some reason to be on your phone while you're in the dispensary. So I can take a picture in the dispensary of like the, you know, the hash under glass or whatever.

3:16:13BubblemanBut you can't answer a phone call and be on the phone. I didn't really ever get the reason for that. But there it was. Yeah, I got to shout out Lakeshore Cannabis as well. These people were super kind and fans of Hash Church and fans of all of you guys on the panel. So we can shout them out. They were super cool. Going to go back and see them when I'm in Colorado for sure.

3:16:39BubblemanYou know what? I really think, Ryan, like we're missing so much of our cannabis culture that we used to have. And it's too bad that Vancouver couldn't get back to where it was at one point in time. And I know that delusion back then was really because Mark was funding like everything, like there was so much of his money funding. Plus, all the growers were actually making some money by growing cannabis because it was at a fairly significantly high enough price that your cost Uh, your, your, the sell, the sell price far exceeded your cost back then.

3:17:12BubblemanSo it was, uh, it was profitable.

3:17:16BubblemanI'd like to see it happen again though. Colorado was, I met, you could meet 200 people that were hardcore like all of us into weed, whether they're growing it or breeding it or processing it or they're artists that are painting it or making glass pipes or on and on and on the list went. And they were all just like, man, I want to be around these people like every day.

3:17:38BubblemanI want to be like, oh, I'm going to go see so-and-so and now I'm going to go... And I've, you know, don't get me wrong. Brian's in my neighborhood. I can go see him, which is awesome. It was just cool to see hundreds of new people that are so into this that have moved to Colorado. I did ask some local Coloradoans, however you say that. His name was Trent.

3:17:57BubblemanAnd I'm sorry, Trent, if you're watching, I don't remember your partner's name, but I asked them what they thought about everyone moving to Colorado. And they were, uh, They were not as into it. They were a little into it. They thought it was cool and this and that. But, you know, Colorado, Denver is not built for that traffic. So you end up in some pretty harsh traffic.

3:18:18BubblemanWhat do you got there, Ryan?

3:18:21Ryan Dank AfPaper from just after Christmas, which I think might be interesting for some people. It's an ACS first quantitation of key odor active files in flowers of different hemp cultivars using an HPLC-MS-MS technique. So that's cool. You know, the way these things work, it's like somebody opens the door and shows how to do the analysis and then now labs all over are going to be.

3:18:49BubblemanSo let's start with the first six words. This study introduces an HPLC-MS-MS method to quantify four key odor active compounds. Either you, Dr. Mark, whoever. Let's let's kind of talk about that a little bit. That is what Nick. uh was talking about back in the day that they did is that a similar thing where they jerry-rigged a couple of machines together to increase its perceivability yeah no nick was using gas chromatography this is but it wasn't just gas he said they had they had attached something else to it it was like a hybrid jerry-rigged thing that you couldn't just do with a gc right it was the volatile so it was something that allowed them to get down to the trillions

3:19:34SpeakerYeah, yeah, there's volatile sulfur detectors, same kind of apparatus that the folks at Abstracts has.

3:19:40BubblemanSo do you know what this is, MSMS?

3:19:43SpeakerYeah, so what MSMS is, so typically you would run this on an instrument called a quadrupole. And so the quadrupole means it has four basically poles, right? And so what you're doing, so in a mass spectrum, what you're doing is you're ionizing the compound. And then the compound is basically detected as a function of like what its molecular weight and all the different fragments that the molecular weight of the compound fragments into.

3:20:19SpeakerSo it's just, you know, lay speaking, it's a very sophisticated techniques that use, you Probably a quadrupole LCMS MS. And, you know, what this does is it basically just identifies the molecular weight of the compound. And then they can go back and look at all the different fragments and see what fragments make sense in terms of the structure. So the significance of this study, I wrote up the The synopsis that the ACS subdivision used when they featured this paper in their social media.

3:20:56SpeakerSo the importance of this is the identification of this new five carbon, it's called four methyl, four sulfonyl pentatone, right? So that's the first time that that's been identified as part of one of these sulfur containing compounds. Three methyl, butene, thiol. These are known. These are kind of like what we call the pre-nulated sulfides. So those are kind of like the compounds that Nick and the folks at Abstracts have identified as part of the You know, sulfur containing compounds.

3:21:36SpeakerAnd yeah, these are there at very, very trace amounts. So that's why you need this sophisticated MSMS method to basically identify them. And then when you identify them, it's even more difficult to quantify them, right? Because they're very fleeting. So yeah, very significant paper in that they were using sophisticated analytical chemistry to figure out that these compounds are in there. That doesn't mean that local cannabis testing labs could use this method because they probably are in a more high throughput mode and they're not doing most of their volatile profile analysis by HPLC.

3:22:18SpeakerSo to do it by HPLC, it's kind of like a dedicated instrument and yeah, not something that you can get from a routine testing lab.

3:22:26Ryan Dank AfMSMS is expensive, but it can be set up. And, you know, if you're, if you are, look, if you're breeding stuff, the only way to do it is to quantify it, right? Like you have to manage, you have to measure it to be able to manage it.

3:22:40SpeakerSo, um, well, you have to have an idea of what you're, so you don't just stumble into these new molecules. This group had an idea of like what the molecular weight was. And could look at a particular mass range to identify the compound. By the way, because it's a five carbon containing compound, this is of interest, right, Ryan? These are derived from isoprene. So these compounds here are technically terpenoids, right?

3:23:13SpeakerBecause they have the five carbon isoprene skeleton as part of their chemical structure. So that means they're derived from isoprenoid pathways, which is the same pathways that create the terpenes and terpenoids that we all know about again, Chris.

3:23:30Ryan Dank AfWell, you know my interest in this kind of analytical technology is to be able to use it to screen populations, right? Or to understand patterns of inheritance so that you can use these chemicals as flavorants when you're essentially breeding plants with a scent, right? Because if there's an enzyme that is catalyzing the reaction in the formation of these sulfur-containing compounds, From terpenes, then there's a protein that's involved in that, that is that enzyme, right?

3:24:07Ryan Dank AfAnd if there's a protein, there's a gene. So it's always about being able to understand the chemicals that are present so that you can figure out the biological switch that you can breed into the either true breeding nature or the hybrid nature of the...

3:24:24SpeakerThis is not a routine method though, Ryan. This is something that even the most advanced analytical lab would still have to go back and look at the supporting information from this paper because this method requires a derivatization, right? So you're actually derivatizing what you're putting into the machine. So there's all kinds of things that could go wrong between here and Sunday and trying to reproduce this. But yeah, I think this is really significant and I think it's a great research tool.

3:24:55SpeakerAnd I think like you said, Ryan, this could potentially be used in an R&D environment where you're scouting populations of varieties and looking for which ones have a spike in this particular odorant and which don't.

3:25:12Ryan Dank AfWell, that's the point. I mean, if you're running a research lab, you're not going to SC labs, right?

3:25:17SpeakerNo, you're not.

3:25:18Ryan Dank AfIt just ends up being way too expensive. But if you're not quantifying a given compound, you can't breed for it. The only thing you can do is detect the presence or absence.

3:25:33SpeakerSo now that you've scrolled down, look at the concentration that these things are in there. 97 nanograms per kilogram. Do you know how dilute that is? Holy fucking good night. So in a kilogram, you only have like 100 nanograms. That's, it's amazing that they were able to detect it.

3:25:54BubblemanSo there's not really economic viability there is what you're saying.

3:25:58SpeakerWell, Not to make it as a standalone product, but certainly- Let's build a company around it, you and I.

3:26:06Ryan Dank AfAgain, this type of work too, it's like we're at this point in time now with genomics that genomics are never going to identify the marker for this unless you have, like the GC is essentially what trains the genome, not the genome, the genetic analysis. Like you're looking for a marker that's associated with a scent. Right. And so you might you might have to set this lab up, this kind of instrument up to be able to quantify.

3:26:35Ryan Dank AfBut as soon as you have the genetic markers that are so that when you make the association between the chemical and that genetic marker, then you don't have to use this setup.

3:26:44Collin PalmerRight. So you have to build the model. Right. To your point, Ryan, you'd have to build all of it to be able to ingest into It's totally doable.

3:27:01Ryan Dank AfIt just takes a segregated generation and running however many samples until you get a population diagram of how often these things are showing up.

3:27:15SpeakerYeah, but you see like in the lower, what is that, the southeast quadrant of that diagram? You see what's happening there? So there's a derivatization there that, again, you're actually doing chemistry. Right, yeah. You're doing chemistry to basically identify this label, which they're able to pick up in the mass spectrum, you know? Dude, and they're picking up, what is it, three or four? Say that again? How many older active files are they looking at?

3:27:47SpeakerFour? Well, I think they identified one new one, right?

3:27:53BubblemanDude, imagine Nick Ziegler found 1,400 of them in hops. Yeah, exactly.

3:28:03SpeakerThat's insane. And the question for Nick is, does he view this method, this derivatization and identification method as a step change in the frontier?

3:28:15BubblemanWell, it makes me want to invite him back and have another conversation about it because we still were waiting the whole time, that long wait. We were waiting for his analytical chemists who jerry-rigged the machines together because he didn't want to come speak on their work. You know, he was like, I did work too, but it was like, I can speak on my work. He's like, I'll invite them in.

3:28:36BubblemanSo we never got them in. So we never found out how they were doing it. So it would be very interesting to get them in, find out how they're doing it and hear what all of them have to say about this particular derivative method.

3:28:50Ryan Dank AfYeah, they were also doing rosin, right? Like they were analyzing for all of the rosin. So they were making concentrates that had much more analyte than these ones do.

3:28:59BubblemanYeah, they were making CO2 or whatever. Yeah.

3:29:04SpeakerGuys were making rosin.

3:29:06Collin PalmerYeah. It's, you know, it's the best way from what I understand.

3:29:11BubblemanI mean, if you want to perceive it and it's like, I guess it's much harder to perceive in like a less concentration.

3:29:19Collin PalmerWell, it gets all the undesirables out of the way. That's that's really the intent.

3:29:23Ryan Dank AfThat's really the point there that, you know, one of the big points in this for people that don't do analytical chemistry, the MS is just the detector at the end of the slide. I think of it like, you know, those like the water park slides where you get like a bunch of people and they all go down on these like blue half open blue tubes filled with water, right?

3:29:42Ryan Dank AfThey go down the mountain. It's that's kind of like a gas chromatic or a the column in a gas chromatogram or a graph, right? And what it does is it separates Like you can kind of think of that column like a size and type separator for all the compounds that are in the extract. When you soak a bud in alcohol, there's hundreds of chemicals in there that would, you know, and some of the chemicals in there are in like really large amounts.

3:30:12Ryan Dank AfLike some of the terpenes, you know, terpenes can account for three to 5% of a total extract, right? So if you're looking for something that's present at like 130 nanograms per kilogram, Thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next time.

3:30:43BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:31:10Ryan Dank AfYou have an aversion of them, and we evolved the ability to detect these things at really low quantity.

3:31:16BubblemanOne butane thiol, it's like the skunk smell.

3:31:21SpeakerYeah, humanoids who couldn't smell shit died from eating shit. Damn.

3:31:29Ryan Dank AfThis one here, 3-methylbutyl-2-ene-1-thiol, they call it 3-2-1-MBT, but they also call it prenatal thiol. So that's the one that has that. That's the one that has that. It's in light-struck beer, right? It's got that real skunkiness to it. So, but yeah, anyway, it's just interesting because there's, you know, when you start doing these studies, like, look, they've identified five different hemp cultivars, right? And it's like, we're still rolling out new cannabinoids and, you know, these other molecules after hundreds, or not hundreds, but like, So we're still finding new stuff.

3:32:13Ryan Dank AfThis technique is like relatively new and they've got, you know, five compounds in these five plants or four compounds. But typically the way it happens when you're doing this kind of investigation across populations, like you keep stumbling across stuff, right? Like we keep stumbling across these unique Terpene cannabinoids are these dominant terpenes in cannabis varieties.

3:32:35SpeakerIt was an MSMS method that that Canadian researcher identified those flavalkaloids too. So it was very much the same analytical method.

3:32:47Ryan Dank AfAnd that's not a cheap piece of equipment, right? So are they literally stringing two of them together?

3:32:56SpeakerNo, so you have... In a quadrupole, right, you have four. You get four magnets. Yeah, so each one of those represents a mass spectrum experiment. So they're basically what they're doing, Ryan, is you're doing mass spec on the mass spectrum fragments, right? So that's how it's MSMS, right? So you do one initial mass spectrum. That gives you the fragments of the molecule. And then the second mass spec does fragmentation of those.

3:33:30SpeakerSo you're getting fragments on fragments. But yeah, you could use AI and algorithms to kind of figure out like what the molecular weight is based on the different patterns and different abundance of the different ions in your mass spectrum. But it really takes a seasoned analytical chemist who understands LCA to basically figure this out. These aren't slouches that are figuring this out.

3:33:55Ryan Dank AfHow much is, I wonder how much the MSMS?

3:33:58SpeakerYeah, like, so our, our, so we have a, we have a quadrupole at, at St. Michael's. That thing is probably like about $185,000 brand new out the door.

3:34:10SpeakerAnd I could tell you that you have to really get a three-year service plan with your company because there's always shit that breaks down. Whether it's the HPLC or whether it's the mass spec. Mass spec, the detectors on it are super, super sensitive. And so, yeah, you have to make sure that you're not putting, you know, a lot of crap in there. You got to make sure your samples are clean.

3:34:33SpeakerAnd yeah, you have to have it maintenance periodically.

3:34:36BubblemanWhat's the three-year warranty cost?

3:34:39SpeakerThree-year service plan on that $185,000 instrument is probably like about $30,000 to $40,000. And having a good...

3:34:49SpeakerIn cannabis, we say this all the time. We're in the relationship building business. It's really important if you make an investment to buy an instrument like that, that you have the best relationship you possibly can with the field service tech that comes by and fixes it for you. So yeah, having really good relationships with your field service tech people is absolutely crucial to keep these machines running.

3:35:16Ryan Dank AfWell, and they only, you know, that's where having a facility in the middle of the winter.

3:35:21SpeakerOh, and they're booked out several weeks. So you're lucky if your machine breaks this week, you're lucky to actually get a warm body at your facility this week because you're probably going to be, you know, booked into some traveling schedule for someone who's traveling all over the place to fix these things.

3:35:40BubblemanNightmare. For me, it's just the cold draft ice machine. The thing is finicky as a motherfucker. You got to call the guys. If someone tries to fix it, like, oh, I know ice makers. It's like, it's not like this. This one's not like the one you know. It's different. Just stay the fuck away from it and bring in the cold draft mechanic who costs more than you want to spend.

3:36:02BubblemanAnd then if you want, just watch what he does each time he comes. Record it if you have to. I did. I have recordings of my guy like doing like different fuse replacements and just figuring out different errors in the machine and recording them because it is expensive, but the machine is expensive in its own right and bringing the wrong person in can be much, much more expensive.

3:36:30BubblemanPeople fucking around with it. I can fix it. I'm a tinkerer. It's like, oh. Newt Tinker on something else. Everybody's an expert until it breaks more. Yeah. Everyone's an expert until they have to pay for the broken thing. Yeah.

3:36:50Ryan Dank AfYeah, this paper is kind of neat too.

3:36:55Ryan Dank AfGuys in Wagner and a researcher over in Wagner and they took a whole bunch of old cannabis varieties and looked at...

3:37:03Ryan Dank AfLooked at the cannabinoid acid synthase genes across a whole bunch of different varieties that didn't produce those compounds. So like, you know, even in like a THC predominant variety, the gene for CBC production is there. It's just dysfunctional. It's got some kind of mutation that stops it from working. And so by looking at like The change in the genetic residue is like the misspellings of the words over time across like tons of different varieties.

3:37:33Ryan Dank AfThey can figure out what the, what they call like the ancestral sequences are that were like the early versions of those genes. And so now they have an understanding of this. We can use these, all these things as genetic markers to kind of bring back plants or not necessarily plants, but like genotypes like that cannabichromine, CBC gene. You could breed that in the plants or you could take that thing and stick it in like a fungal or some kind of production system like a yeast production system and you can produce CBC in a vat rather than a plant.

3:38:11Ryan Dank AfSo it was a pretty neat study looking at kind of the history and the evolution of the cannabinoid synthase genes and where they came from.

3:38:20SpeakerI'll be honest, Brian, I was thinking of you when I read this paper and I covered this on High at Nine News a couple weeks ago. And so like, yeah, so my take on it is that there was a certain promiscuity in the ancient enzymes, right, that don't exist in the modern versions. Is that how you think about it?

3:38:47Ryan Dank AfI don't know. I didn't read that part that deeply. I was more interested in Yeah, so follow me on this for a second.

3:38:56SpeakerSo it was almost like the cannabis plant knew how to make CBGA, right? And so there's two synthetic biosynthetic pathways in the plant that come together, right? There's the isoprenoid that makes the geranium piece. And then there's the polyketide synthase that makes the levotolic acid. And when these come together, it makes CBGA. And it seemed like in the more ancient versions of the plant, The next synthases, which are THC synthase, CBDA synthase, and CBCA synthase, weren't fully developed in old varieties of cannabis.

3:39:38SpeakerSo it was almost like the cannabis plant was waiting for humanity to catch up to it and say, hey, we really like this THC molecule.

3:39:48Ryan Dank AfTHC synthase evolved from CBD synthase. It was a gene duplication. A lot of times what happens when these chromosomes are dividing and replicating, you kind of think of it like photocopying. I don't know if people saw that. It's an old Michael Keaton movie called Multiplicity. He figures out how to make a clone and then the clone decides that he needs his own clone so the clone clones himself.

3:40:18Ryan Dank AfThe analogy is like You know, a photocopy of a photocopy and the quality starts decreasing every time. But that kind of thing can actually happen as cells are dividing. You get like these gene duplications where it's like a piece of DNA is synthesized twice and then it just gets ordered in line in a chromosome. And so you might, that actually happened with the CBD acid synthase gene.

3:40:47Ryan Dank AfAt one point there was one and then it became two and then the second one mutated and became THC acid synthase. Like it just, through the change of the genetic lettering of the spelling of the word, It acquired this ability to make THC acid synthase or THC acid, right? And so, of course, we as humans, we ramp that throughout through different types of selection of, again, these ongoing mutations.

3:41:12Ryan Dank AfWe're always selecting for the ones that produce the most THC or the most active THC acid synthase enzyme, right? The most efficient enzyme. And that's just kind of how co-evolution happens, right? You've got these two biological forces Or maybe one is an environmental, and it's just constantly exerting a selection pressure on this ongoing DNA mutation that's always happening. I don't think we really even understood this even 25 years ago, or maybe 30 years ago, let's say.

3:41:42Ryan Dank AfBefore we were sequencing hundreds of genomes of different species, we didn't really understand the level of genetic variation that exists. Right. Like in every gene for every job and every byproduct that the plant produces, we're going to find variation. And cannabis, especially because of the way it breeds, it's an out crosser. And out crossers, they tend to preserve genetic diversity, whereas like selfing species, they purge genetic diversity because And the consequence of that is that a plant becomes incredibly adapted to one environment because the genome is so highly specialized to live in that environment.

3:42:24Ryan Dank AfBut the genetic plasticity that's built into the cannabis genome It gives this incredible environmental tolerance where like, you know, there's always some mutation that leads the plants to have a biological advantage against the rest of the population, right? So, yeah.

3:42:45SpeakerWell, and it could upregulate certain processes under stress, right? Like whether it's drought stress or light stress or water stress.

3:42:54Ryan Dank AfIt does, but it's, again, like that's not really as much of a selective pressure. That's an environmental response, but. Like, you know, the selective pressure is when the environment or people are literally deciding which plants get to leave their offspring because the plant has a trait that the other ones don't. Right. You know, and a good example of that is like root or Alice, like when root or Alice, Alice didn't like cannabis didn't independently.

3:43:23Ryan Dank AfAndrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman, Andrew Berman,

3:43:47Ryan Dank AfLeave their seed, right? And so the only plants that could leave their seed were the ones that had the autoflowering traits or the autoflowering genes. And then that becomes what we call a founder event where those plants that have that set of traits become overrepresented in future generations because they're the only ones that were able to leave their offspring. Right. And so like, that's one way, you know, that's an example of like the environment selecting on a trait, but we do the same thing.

3:44:14Ryan Dank AfLike, you know, we don't keep the ones that don't get you high. Right. But the ones that do get you high, we grow those a lot more and share them around. Right. So yeah, it's part of this great cannabis experiment that we're going on, but the genomics, And that cheap, cheaper, you know, next generation sequencing technology is allowing us to like sequence just like hundreds and hundreds of plants, hundreds of samples.

3:44:40Ryan Dank AfAnd we're seeing all this genetic structural variation within the genome. Right. Which is really just like pieces of chromosomes being left in at left inner doubled or like, you know, reversed and put on a different chromosome, like all that, all these kind of mismatch mistakes happen. Um, And the plant has enough plasticity that it's able to keep growing and you get new traits that pop out of it, right?

3:45:07Ryan Dank AfOr loss of traits, right? Like an example of a loss of traits is that susceptibility to powdery mildew, right? Like the plant is bred, it essentially has acquired this trait that makes it susceptible. Thank you for joining us.

3:45:54Ryan Dank AfBut what we see now, once we start looking at like thousands of individuals in a population, is that there's all this variation in all these different traits, right? And we can either induce or exploit that variation to a certain phenotype that we might like for whatever reason. So. I like the ones that get me high and taste delicious. I can't believe that we're this far ahead. Like, honestly, like when we started really getting into these molecular papers in like 1995 or the first, you know, David's Hortifarm paper in 2003 on the inheritance of cannabinoid of THC and CBD, I didn't picture that we'd be this, I didn't picture that technology would move us this far ahead.

3:46:42Ryan Dank AfSo it's really cool. It's really cool that we can start doing this stuff now.

3:46:46Etienne FontanWell, we also have science being us ahead, but we also have science keeping us behind. And I wanted to show this one. So this is from the notorious, now the CDC, and they have an understanding on your risk for cannabis use disorder. So here we have again, this, this fictitious name re-emerging, which is cannabis use disorder. So as we come down here, the first, first thing I wanted to show the public here is approximately three in 10 people use cannabis have cannabis use disorder.

3:47:17Etienne FontanAll right. So follow me on this little path as we go down to reference number one. And here it is. Has seen and Saha and carriage prevalence of marijuana use disorders in the United States between 2001, 2002 and 2012 and 2013.

3:47:38Etienne FontanWell, here's the problem, ladies and gentlemen. Cannabis use disorder was not coined until 2013 in the DSM-5. Then it was not coined in the military's DSM-10 until 2015.

3:47:55Etienne FontanSo I just wanted to point you out that even though people pretend to know what they're talking about about science, they're talking out their ass sometimes. And here is one where we have just use of a definition. Now, why does this matter? Because my group, Veterans Action Council, Did a large FOIA request. We got almost 3,000 pages. And in there, we found all this information about cannabis use disorder.

3:48:21Etienne FontanBut the one thing that we found is that the VA, if you have any positive urinalysis for THC, they're putting you under cannabis use disorder. So I just wanted to again point out the fallacy and then the misrepresentation that's happening because again, the DSM was combined with no explanation as to why in 2013, just combining the two cannabis abuse and cannabis disorder into case. Cannabis use disorder.

3:48:51Etienne FontanSo it's really kind of odd that even the CDC is leaning on this and it's the top of their page. So I just wanted to point that out again because it's not going to stop.

3:49:04BubblemanThey're talking out of their asses?

3:49:06Etienne FontanYes.

3:49:12Etienne FontanExactly. A lot of ass talking going on. So, you know, yeah, just thought y'all should know. Inquiring minds want to know.

3:49:23BubblemanThe more you know. The more you know. It's not, man, my wife brought me so much water and tea this morning that it's like for the first time ever, I'm like, damn, I could really like go to the bathroom. That'd be nice. But people are always asking me, you just sit there for four hours and don't like get up or move around or anything. I'm like, that goes by quick.

3:49:45Etienne FontanBut bathroom breaks are occasionally needed and required.

3:50:10Speaker18, when you were going through that list of cannabis use disorder that watches Hash Church regularly, down there on the list. Say again?

3:50:22SpeakerWhen you were going down the list of cannabis use disorder where there's a category for watching Hash Church regularly.

3:50:30Etienne FontanNo, no, no, that's not in the DSM-11. There's 11 criteria. It's the same that they use for heroin addiction and all the other addictions. You just have to fit in within two or three of those 11, and then they believe you now fall under cannabis use disorder, which of course has no real meaning in society, but it's really honestly stupefying to watch the alarmism Right. It's just there's no really alarmism.

3:51:03Etienne FontanIt's just this is the kind of shit that that who's going to grab onto this? Who's who? Who does this hook? Kevin Sabet. Oh, I love this. You know, and he's going to like, you know, he spread these lies and misinformation. So this is why we expose it is because he uses this to keep countries killing people for cannabis. That's why it matters to me. People are going to be executed this year because of his lies and the blood on his hands is going to continue to kill people.

3:51:33Etienne FontanIs it somebody you know? I hope not. But this is what, you know, all those other countries are using to use misinformation to continue to have these types of draconian laws which are killing people. And nobody deserves to die for a plant or for cannabis and lies kill here.

3:51:51Ryan Dank AfI was thinking about this when you were saying it and my mind went to, you know, how much of a difference does it make when Marcus is in Colorado? Like how much difference does it make in Colorado? There's mushrooms everywhere and dabs flowing and, you know, it's like, you know, it's like the dichotomy of what's being said by the Fed, whether it's like they're attacking Greenland or bombing Venezuela.

3:52:17Ryan Dank AfAnd I'm sure Marcus didn't even think a little, even the slightest bit about that. When he was down puffing away in Denver, right? And, and, but I think people like, especially from outside the US, all we hear is the shit that the administration's doing. That's the stuff that they, they talk about all the crap on the news. And you forget, and I haven't spent a lot of time down in the States.

3:52:41Ryan Dank AfLike I lived down there for three years. There is a lot of beautiful shit down there.

3:52:45BubblemanIt's awesome. You know what? Honestly, people were stoked about like time and time again, that gas was around $2 a gallon. They were just like, this is awesome. Like if it goes down more, it's going to be like, they'll be like, you could make money again in your business because a lot of businesses are hurting for sure.

3:53:05Ryan Dank AfWell, he's, yeah, Trump's done that by emptying the... Just stealing all the oil. No, they've got like the, they've got this national industrial or national oil reserve. Oh. And he's been tapping into that quite heavily since he's been president. And so the oil reserve, like numbers are down quite low, which, you know, might provide some context over Venezuela. But yeah, like he's got the ability to turn that tap on and keep the United States a little bit buffered from the world oil prices.

3:53:41Etienne FontanWell, I didn't. I didn't feel. It's actually going to take some retooling because we've been dealing with the tar sands up in Canada and to retool to the Venezuela is going to take time and money we have not been able to afford yet. So unfortunately, if things are going to continue, but they're moving financially in that direction, but Just so you're aware that's happening.

3:54:03BubblemanWell, we're up here making deals with China. Seven months ago, our prime minister said China is the most dangerous enemy we have. Seven days ago, he just made a big deal with them for canola and EVs in Canada. So I don't pretend to understand it all. It's all just ridiculous. But, uh, I was glad that the majority of the time I was in the US, no one spoke to me about politics and all of us got along.

3:54:29BubblemanNo one was getting upset or belittling anyone or really being like physically like abusive. We just didn't talk about that shit. And I think we should do the same thing for a bit. It is the end of Hash Church. So I want to thank everyone for coming out. I do want to thank Puffco and Bubble Bags and the Press Club right over my shoulder. Kind of cool, eh?

3:54:50BubblemanA little neon light. It's got a little A little remote control that I can change up the intensity and whatnot. Shout out to those guys. Go support them if you can. And thanks to the panelists who show up time and time and time again. Colin and Etienne and Ryan and Dr. Mark and Jerry. Thank you, Jerry. Like, holy shit. I'm going to go listen to some Jerry Garcia band after midnight.

3:55:15BubblemanThat's what I'm going to go seek out with Merle Saunders right after this. I'm going to listen to a little bit of that.

3:55:23BubblemanWhy not inspire yourself? Why not you? Why not you for what you're looking for, for the success, for the happiness, for the love? Why not you? I try to say it to myself every once in a while. Why not me? I can do it. Anyway, thanks for watching, everybody. We'll be back next Sunday with another episode. Yeah, may the full melt bless your bubble sooner than later.

3:55:45BubblemanPeace out, everybody.