Cannabis Cup Recap, Sapphire Inserts and Elevated Extracts

1:07SpeakerHey, we've got sound.

1:10BubblemanI love it. Thank you, guys. I couldn't do this without you guys. It wasn't about my speakers. I had plugged my mic, my camera back in, and when I plugged it in, I guess it muted the mic. So thank you, guys. That would have been a real bummer, just talking without sound. And welcome, Etienne. Thank you, God, Etienne, for coming in as early as you do. I don't think those other guys realize how hard it is to talk to yourself for five or ten minutes.

1:38Etienne FontanWell, good morning, sir. Good morning, everybody. And, woo-hoo, it's Hashtag Sunday. And it's a pretty exciting one. We've got some good people coming in.

1:48BubblemanOh, yeah. We've got some good folks coming in. I mean, all the regulars, I'm sure, will be making their way through. I know Jen Doe said she was going to be making another appearance. And she's back up in Oregon, I believe, with Marcel and Jessica. So that was always a nice treat to see those guys last time. I'm looking like Cottonmouth? That's because I shaved, man. That's because I shaved.

2:12BubblemanAll right. Let's have a bowl. Let's start this out proper. Wow, someone's having more technical difficulties than me. You like that? You, man, my rainbow friend. Is this gay pride weekend or what?

2:24SpeakerIt is. Yes, man. In Washington, it is always gay pride weekend.

2:29BubblemanNo, I'm just kidding. Good to see you, man. Good to see you. You've been MIA for a while, so it's nice to have you back in church.

2:36SpeakerThank you, Ben.

2:37BubblemanGood to see you, buddy.

2:39SpeakerNice to see you, too, man. I just needed a little break, and, you know, the sun is shining out here in Washington at 530 in the morning, so when you wake up, you get inspired to, like, go out and do stuff. I'm a guarded gnome in the end of the day, man. So that's nice.

2:55Etienne FontanHey, remind me later on when Mark Scaldone comes on. He asked me to put on the THCA onto my nail and see when it actually bubbled and then when it actually... Uh, started to melt, so it was at 374 degrees Fahrenheit and started to bubble at 380.

3:17BubblemanDo you have the white THCA or is yours a little bit yellow?

3:21Etienne FontanYes, very white.

3:22BubblemanOkay, that's exactly what it's supposed to look like. A few people were posting some yellow stuff and I was like, that cannot be.

3:29Etienne FontanThese are two things I got yesterday at the cup. There you are. Hey, Mark. Mark, I just did the THCA. It started to melt at 374 degrees Fahrenheit and then it started to bubble at 380.

3:46Etienne FontanSo there, I just did it on the start as you asked me to do.

3:50SpeakerOkay, great. We'll see how that compares to Horatio's material. That would be interesting to see.

3:55BubblemanYeah, I'll try to do that today. I sort of wish that I had done my homework like you asked me to, but maybe Horatio did. He's a lot more on the ball than I am when it comes to some of this stuff in particular, so I know we're going to see him probably at one point here today. Welcome, Nick.

4:15NickWelcome. How's it going, guys? Good morning.

4:19SpeakerYo, ATN, you're at the High Times?

4:24Etienne FontanNick's at the Cup. I was there yesterday. I spent all day yesterday. Me and Todd went out. Hey, by the way, thank you to everybody who watches Hash Church. There's a lot of people who watch Hash Church, apparently. And we've had a lot of... So, much love to everybody, and I got to meet Mark yesterday, which was awesome, so it was fun, and then we took Mark to, we went to Secret Sesh, and we Secret Seshed last night, and we had a good time, and we literally, we smoked hash till one o'clock this morning, so, much fun, Mark and Session.

4:56SpeakerYeah, Alberto's full melt was the best, best shit I had yesterday, I'm glad it didn't happen till the end of the day. Which one? Go ahead, ATN, tell them about Alberto's samples. They were just on fire. He had a rosin that was just, oh my God, so smooth and so delicious.

5:18NickYou see this cherries and cream rosin by Elevated Extracts. They actually have rosin-printed packaging, solvent-free rosin-printed packaging. Cool.

5:31BubblemanI'm going to print up added solvent rosin packages. I'm going to add solvent.

5:37SpeakerMake sure that the papers are bleached so you can sap in all that stuff into the oil.

5:44BubblemanNew solvent rosin. Ben, people are gripping about my face being fresh-shaven. Wow.

5:50SpeakerYeah, hey, you look like a businessman, bro.

5:53Etienne FontanHey, by the way, happy Father's Day to all the fathers, and especially you, Mr. Father there, Bubble Man, and Cuban.

5:59SpeakerThank you. Hey, did you get to check out my wife yesterday at the Cup? She had dry sift dabs for you guys, man.

6:07NickWhere's she going to be at today?

6:09SpeakerShe's at the Exotic Genetics booth. I sent her out there so she could rep, you know what I mean? Because the entries that we put into NorCal weren't even made by me. I taught my wife how to sift and I taught Exotic, so my students in the game are the ones that are competing this weekend.

6:24NickI will definitely go by and check them out today. I was looking for you yesterday. I didn't know you weren't in town, so...

6:31BubblemanYeah, I stayed back, and you know... Oh, my mom just came into the YouTube chat. No way.

6:39NickHey, Mom, how's it going?

6:41BubblemanYeah, my mom is in the chat. Someone's like, why is he shaven? And my mom was like, that's kind of funny. I'm like, why are you talking about my mom? She's like, Bubble Man is clean shaven because his mama likes it that way, and I'm here to wish him a happy Father's Day. Oh, that's cool. That's pretty cool. Bubble Mom.

6:59SpeakerHey, happy Father's Day to you and everybody else too.

7:02BubblemanHey, how cool is it of Bubble Mom to come in? Bubble Mom spent about 20 plus years working for the Winnipeg police. All the while, while I was promoting and loving cannabis, both illegally... And sometimes legally. So I've got to give my mom thumbs up for her support. While being in a position of really being kind of what you would call the other side, she did still support me and allow me to do the work that I've done.

7:31BubblemanSo thanks for that, mama. Big love, big love.

7:39NickAnd maybe... Yeah, so I took my dad to the Cannabis Cup yesterday for his first Cannabis Cup experience for Father's Day weekend as well, so... Nice, dude. It's been a great weekend for sure.

7:51SpeakerThat's very cool. Yeah, Nick, it was nice meeting you and your family yesterday.

7:57NickYeah, it was great to meet you as well, Mark. That was awesome.

8:00BubblemanYeah. Very cool, very cool. Well, we got 328 people chilling in the room at 9.07. That's pretty good.

8:09Etienne FontanThat's some hardcore stoning, man.

8:14BubblemanYes, exactly. When you're like waiting, when you're like, what are these motherfuckers going to do? Has Hashtag started yet? Refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. You do look baby fish, fresh, clean there, Mark. I do, don't I? Well, I'm going to have a bong rip in honor of my mom coming into the chat room. Word up.

8:36SpeakerYeah, and sorry that the dry sift sold out, man, at the cup. The price was substantially lower than what it was retail, so, you know, when you compare shelf price in your state compared to what we really slang it for, I think it moved in less than an hour. Everything that my wife brought out there, so, sorry guys.

8:54NickYou just broke my heart.

8:56SpeakerHey, we still got a couple grams for the homies though, you know what I mean, to smoke out and shit.

9:02NickI'll stop in and take a couple dabs today for sure.

9:06BubblemanThat is hilarious. Who said that? You just broke my heart.

9:11SpeakerThat was me. Great, dude. Yeah. My heart! And my love to everybody that dropped off samples for me to smoke out, you know what I mean? I love the samples. Every high times, man, I get so much gifted hash and water hashes and everything, but I don't smoke it at the cup, right? Because I bring my own hash and I save it so when I get back home and I'm chilling with my homeboys...

9:36SpeakerWe just rage on all that shit, bro. Like, all that hash gets smoked in like two, three days. Quick. Hell yeah, dude.

9:42BubblemanI'll tell you, the last trip I did to Spain was pretty unbelievable. I can't believe how much hash people were giving me. Now, not large amounts. No one was kicking me, you know, 10 gram patties. But the amount of people that gave me full melt dry sift, full melt hash, and how much rosin we ended up... It was just... I was impressed. I mean, four years ago, that was not happening in Spain.

10:06BubblemanYeah. Getting that quality of material, even to buy at 50 euros a gram, let alone to have someone just be like, hey man, like, I made this for you, I want you to have it, you know, go check it out, smoke it with your friends. Very cool aspect of these gatherings.

10:22SpeakerI love that. I can see how, you know, because on my first cup, I had hash and I remember giving Jib some hash and Nick a tea hash and I was excited just to like, Share my work with people that I looked up to in the industry that were available there at the time. So it's cool to see myself on the flip side, man. People get excited for me to try their hash in school.

10:43SpeakerBut off topic, man, I want to say happy birthday to our good friend Rick DeLisi. I saw him post it on Instagram. Happy Father's Day to you, G. Happy birthday. You turned 38 today. I got much love for you and your family, bro.

10:58BubblemanHell yeah, dude. Fucking A happy birthday to Rick. Free Delisi. And absolutely go check out his Facebook page. He's put up his link recently for the Free Delisi petition. And, you know, go give some attention to that page and let's get his fucking old man out of prison. That's insane. 27 years. Come on.

11:22SpeakerYeah, man. That's heartbreaking, bro.

11:24BubblemanOh, quick question for Tyler asking about when D-Nail's going to do the raffle for Zach. I might have mentioned this last Hash Church. Zach, a good friend of mine, a good friend of the glassblowing community from, you know, Back in the day in Bellingham, this guy was a big part of getting everyone together. He taught a lot of people. When I met Marvel Slinger and Jason Lee on Fish Tour, he was their roommate, but I had already met him prior.

11:49BubblemanI told the story. Anyway, we're doing an auction for him and we've sold most of the tickets, but there's still a few left. So people are asking when the auction's going to be. We're going to sell a few more tickets. Hopefully after today's Hash Church we'll sell the last few. Only 20 tickets sold, $100 a ticket, and it's about a $2,400 value, a pipe, a pendant, a D-Nail 2.0, a Peli case, the whole nine yards.

12:13BubblemanSo you can check that out at dnail.com backslash raffle, and there's a hyphen between D and nail. So that's all I'll say about that.

12:25NickI want to give a shout out to D-Nail as well. I got my new ninja nail in this week and they hooked it up with the sapphire insert. That sapphire insert is just hands down the best thing for keeping flavor on a titanium nail. So congrats guys, or props guys, thank you very much.

12:42BubblemanI agree. I think I also have my sapphire in my titanium, and it completely changes the game. I was using it in my silicone carbide for a while, this particular nail, but then I found that I liked the silicone carbide more on its own, though. I like the fact that these guys are coming out with so many different things. They're not really looking for anyone to like this one more than that one.

13:09BubblemanThey're just like, here's all of it. It's a quiver. Tell us, you know, what is the most efficient arrow in the particular situation that you're in. And believe it or not, we do get into different situations when it comes to, you know, blazing, dabbing, hooking up our nails.

13:27Etienne FontanSo, Mark, I got the new carb cap here, people. This is the carb cap from Day Nail. Nice. It's the new mini. And as you see, it seats perfect. Oh! Also this week, and this week it excited me, was HE came out with its new head and dabber tool. The dabber tool is hollow. Oh! And what I did is they made it the same threading as the OGD nail carb cap.

14:03Etienne FontanAnd what I did was I mounted this card cap onto this hollow D-nail. I mean, this hollow HE, and holy shit, people, this is pretty much the deal. I told the people at D-nail that they have to keep the version 1 in production. This version 2 is great, but with the addition of this new party nail, I guess, from HE. With the carve.

14:30BubblemanWith the carve, eh? With the little hole?

14:33Etienne FontanYep. And so you don't burn your fingers now because it's nice and tall.

14:38BubblemanExactly, because that other little piece, this piece right here, it gets too hot too fast on the nail. I pulled out my sublimator piece and I added it to this, but the only real thing missing is that it's not hollow. If this was hollow all the way through, it'd be pretty sweet. Oh, and a dabber, obviously. But...

15:01Etienne FontanYeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this or was it does gum up. Because when I talked to D-Nail, they said that they had not talked to H-E in just a sec, but they talked to each other, but they didn't realize that H-E went and used their old threading because They went and used HE's threading.

15:19BubblemanYeah, well, they were doing some work.

15:21Etienne FontanWell, maybe they have to go to the other two because, you know, it is interesting. So what I found is this does heat up faster, but it also cools off faster. The whole location is awesome. I also found that with the highly educated tool, it sits fine. If you use, like, Happy Daddy tools or... Thank you for watching.

16:10Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us today.

16:40BubblemanI've been in a two-handed sort of thing. Dino went and sent me this thing, and I fell in love with it. It's a hand car, like a little hand wood, it's a highly educated dabber that they jammed into a little piece of wood, a real nice piece in fact, and it just feels so nice in the hand, this little guy, but it has no carve. So I'm ending up with this on one hand and this on the other, but I have to say it's Dabbing is interesting because I've never really found any one thing that I stick with.

17:13BubblemanI continually seem to evolve in how I dab my resins. Can you imagine that we're spending this much time just talking about dabbing resin? This is what Hashtag is all about, my people, and I would like to welcome Jeff and Horatio to the room. Welcome, guys.

17:35BubblemanMorning, morning. Good morning. We had 400 people in the room before you got in here, Horatio.

17:43JeffHow did they beat you? I was taking care of abdominal business on a schedule.

17:53BubblemanAll right. West Coast Smokes tells me that it's a Kind Tray Dabber that did this. Kind Tray. I really like it, I got to say. Just feels nice in the hand, fits in the pocket. A little less than... I don't know why. I guess I'm really into wood actually because I like it more than metal. I have to admit.

18:14BubblemanNow will they build one with a carb cap on the other side? I do not know.

18:18Etienne FontanOr just with a screw in so you can actually put it into a carb cap.

18:22BubblemanI don't know how to do that. Sorry to cut you off, Etienne. Someone's asking me to unblock someone that got blocked in the YouTube chat and I honestly don't know how to do that.

18:37BubblemanAnd if you got blocked, you know what I'm saying, to begin with. Yeah, I only blocked people that people told me to block, like that were in chat, you know, writing their name in capital letters. Once I see four or five or six different people write that, I'm usually like, okay, I'll block that person or whatever. I'll have to figure it out after Hash Church, maybe not in the middle of Hash Church, but it will happen.

18:59BubblemanI promise I'll figure that out. So, is it the last day of the Cup today, Nick, I guess? Is the Cup in the U.S. a two-day event? Am I correct on that?

19:11SpeakerYes. It is a two-day event, okay.

19:15BubblemanSo, I've always thought of the Cup as like a five-day event. Yeah, it's quite short.

19:24Etienne FontanIf you're a vendor, you have to go set up and get everything all, usually going to the Cup. You had to go a day before over in Amsterdam, right, to acclimate, you know, before you set up, so.

19:36SpeakerI can't believe they're going to have a third cup in California. I went on High Times website and they have a Fresno cup. Like, damn, bro, three-in-one state is a lot of cups.

19:48NickThere's a lot of cannabis users in California.

19:50SpeakerIt's a lot of the same trophy, man. I mean, like, you know, when is that trophy just being given away left and right? That's a business right there.

19:59BubblemanThe dude making those trophies must be loving life.

20:05NickThe whole competition aspect is quite monetarily driven, I think, and that's why we're starting to see so many of these competitions popping up that are not just high times. And it's more, not saying high times specifically, but a lot of these events, I think, are exploiting the plant more than they are celebrating the plant, which we all like to do, so...

20:30BubblemanI think you're right, Nick, and I think it's why when we started Legends, when Skunkman and I were sitting around, and Rob, Rob Clark was there as well, and we were coming up with ideas of what we thought. These guys have been to every cup since the beginning, so I was like, you know, like, it's like there's great people. There's no denying there's great people. There's the good amount of information of that, like, cannabis-focused information.

20:53BubblemanAnd then there's people that bring great products and new things, glass pipes and hashes. Thank you for watching.

21:16BubblemanAnd so I've gone to a lot of cannabis cups and I've stood in the crowd and I've watched my friends win cannabis cups and have so much fun. So I also appreciate the pure joy of watching my friends just be like so fucking happy, like so elevated that that's a good thing. But at the same time, it's a lot of commercialism. It's a lot of like those spinning wheels and contests and like all this sort of like the cheese that goes along with it.

21:47SpeakerAnd all the goddamn hip-hop music. Goddamn it. Can we play some Grateful Dead in the parking lot of the Cow Palace for Christ's sakes? Holy shit. Hip-hop overload, man. Hip-hop overload. I can't stand it. It's gone from booths to stages. Everyone's putting up a goddamn stage. You can't even hear when you're talking to people. It's ridiculous. Sorry, I had to rant. That's okay.

22:11Etienne FontanThe thing yesterday, Mark, is that what happens in this outside area, it's outside at the Cannabis Cup, and what has now happened is... Booths are buying so many booths space, pardon me, vendors are buying like four to eight booths, enough to set up their own stage, full on portable stage, sound equipment, sound man, a whole nine yards. On top of that, then they also schedule their own performers.

22:38Etienne FontanThey had, I counted as I was talking to Mark and Nick, I think you can agree there was six stages throughout the event. On top of that, every vendor also has music and everyone's blasting and Their music is loud as possible, so it's actually rather uncomfortable. And as Mark said, we're at the Cow Palace, and there's nothing but rap, and usually a lot of bad rap, just boom, boom, booming all over the place.

23:04Etienne FontanIt was rather kind of sad, like I said, to be there at the Cow Palace, where his band, The Grateful Dead, had started, and we heard nothing other than boom, boom, boom.

23:16SpeakerI met Trixie Garcia for the first time, you know, one of Jerry's daughters, and I couldn't even have a cogent conversation with her over the boom, boom, boom of the hip-hop music that was coming from two adjacent stages that kept on trying to up the volume so they could be heard more. It's ridiculous. Sucked. We need a bluegrass cup is what we need.

23:38BubblemanSo what we're talking about really is integrity, and the problem with it for a business is that In order to remove all of those most annoying things, those will be where the most amount of sponsorship money came from. So it's like that's the money that makes the event almost possible. So we have to figure out somehow when you lower the, like I know this from having a shop.

24:09BubblemanI did a super high integrity gallery called The Melting Point. And when I added a restaurant, because I thought pot people, people that like to go and vaporize and smoke cannabis together, deserved more than Coca-Cola and chocolate bars, which was at every single place that I... Not that there were many places 12 years ago, but every single place that you could go and smoke herb, it was just about donuts and pop.

24:32BubblemanIt was like a super like, what? Like this is the lowest quality of the lowest quality and that's what we're worth? So I did it all, raw food, organic, vegan, macrobiotic, grown within 100 miles, like we did it proper. And the integrity was so high, the profit was literally non-existent. It cost me money all the time to do it because of the integrity. Now, in that defense, people loved it, Mark.

24:57BubblemanYou rarely heard people sort of bitching in the way that you were just, you know, kind of like, fucking hip hop, like, damn, dude, it's too loud. Well, yeah, and it's not that hip hop's bad. It's that both those guys that were pumping the hip hop, they both paid like $15,000 or $20,000 or $50,000 each for their booth.

25:17BubblemanAnd so they really want to squeeze every little bit of value that they can get out of that booth.

25:24SpeakerYou know where I feel you guys, man, when it comes to the annoying music because one, it's not even good rap. It's not even anything like you have a CD of. It's some like bougie rapper from like the streets of wherever the hell rapping about some random shit like lyrics that don't even make sense.

25:42Etienne FontanIt's their first record with a terrible mix. That's what it was.

25:46SpeakerOh, man, I hate that.

25:48Etienne FontanAnd I love rap music, but I hate cooking. I wanted to say hi to people, and the problem is it's so loud and booming in between, I have to yell at people. And I wanted to say hi, Mark. I wanted to say, how's it going?

26:00BubblemanInstead of saying, hi, Mark, how's it going? It's good to see you, buddy, and we'll say, you know.

26:06Etienne FontanYeah, and I agree, Mark, people do spend so much money to set up at these events on top of it. And there were so many booths outside. We were joking last night, if you were a non-medicated person, the High Times Cannabis Cup was a small blip because it was just a small inside where the art was and where all the activists and initiatives were, and then everything was the smoking section outside.

26:31Etienne FontanThere's no non-smoking section and smoking section, so... Not only was it smoking, and the impressive thing was, Mark, the amount of money that people were spending on their sets, set lists, and then rappers. They had known rappers, they were spending money, and they had t-shirt cannons, they are the whole time just selling, throwing swag, giving out hash candies and everything else to the point they draw a crowd through all the free swag and then they innovate you with so much shit.

27:05Etienne FontanIt's surprising. And they're all different companies. Some are doing it better than others. It's just very interesting to see the tactic from the small, you know, 10 by 10 booths or back in the cup when we were all, you know, in these small little 4 by 4 areas, tucked next to each other saying, hey, now there's more than enough space. Now there's more booths than people there.

27:33BubblemanYeah, it's kind of ridiculous. I say we start throwing the high-integrity cup. That's, you know, the high-integrity cup is like Shiva Ratri in Kathmandu. You know, when all they do is they gather for Shiva's birthday. These guys smoke tough. And when they gather, they don't, like, you know, all enter under a ballot or anything. They put their hash on the table on a plate. Maybe one table's got many, many different kinds of hash, and everyone maybe brought their own plate so that you know your plate.

28:02BubblemanAnd the first hash to go is the best hash. It got smoked. That was it. That's no need to judge or do any sort of anything. It got pulled off the plate first. If everyone focused on it in the room and kept pulling out of that plate until it was gone, well, that was the best hash. There it is.

28:27SpeakerSpeaking of the best hash, are we still on board for Legends in Jamaica?

28:33BubblemanDude, we've got to be on board for Legends for Jamaica. This is my worry for Jamaica is I really want, I mean, my worry for everyone is that if a lot of companies aren't allowed to legally plant herbs soon, it could affect the cup and it could affect Legends. I think the best way to make cash in Jamaica is with Jamaican herbs. So that involves kind of going down soon.

29:03BubblemanThat herb is in the ground. That's what I'm going to do personally. I couldn't imagine, not to enter legends or anything, but just to, for the hash that I want to have, I want to have hash that was grown in Jamaica and And processed in Jamaica. So it would be nice if they gave their permits and things were more legal. In a real dream world, Jamaica would go full reciprocal with all medical federal countries because you can't import like outside.

29:37BubblemanIt has to be federal. So because that would allow me in Canada to bring my medicine to Jamaica and back and forth. In which case, I bet you a lot of Americans would be flying up to Canada to fly to Jamaica.

29:57SpeakerI'm scared to go to Canada, bro.

30:00JeffWell, you came in the wrong way.

30:01SpeakerI like that. Man, we came in the right way, but with the wrong way. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

30:12BubblemanHey, I like the Jamaica poster.

30:16SpeakerYeah, and Reverend was scaring me with stories of anal cavity searches and shit.

30:22BubblemanLove their anal cavity searches at the border.

30:26JeffOh, man. Hey, man, that's how cannolis moved around the globe before we were able to press them out flat.

30:36SpeakerWell, my shit wasn't a cannoli, bro. I brought medicated scrubs. Remember, Jeff? My medicated joints grew up. Yeah, I never got to see it, but you told me about it. Yeah, that's what I told those fools. They were like, we found blah, blah, blah. And I was like, man, that's from my accident. You know, my joints are all fucked up, so I rubbed that with some water on my knees and everything.

31:00SpeakerYou want to see me do it? It's not what you think it is. Not sexy. Nah, man. They didn't care.

31:08JeffYou were betting on the melt. You're like, this will melt so good it'll look like lotion when I scrub it on.

31:14SpeakerI was like, man, if they're going to take this away from me, I'm about to rub 50 grams of dry sift on my body. Ooh, yeah, baby. Powder myself up. But nah. They didn't even want me to look at it, bro.

31:27BubblemanOh, my God. I almost forgot about that brutal experience. I stopped a long time ago. I really did. I, uh... I would just feel, I got the same thing on the other end. It was just ridiculous how harsh they, this was even before I had any type of record or anything. They just gave me a hard time at the border. Like they just thought I was trying to bring shit over and stuff and I never was.

31:48BubblemanAnd it's just like if you smoke a ton then probably and you have those guys go through your shit, they'll find shit you didn't even know was there. What about this?

31:58SpeakerYou'd be like, damn bro, I've been looking for that shit. Dude. They got this crazy-ass swipe that they pass on, like, on your phone in the backside and shit, and if you were smoking a joint and you touch your phone, they know.

32:09BubblemanYeah, because it goes purple. Yeah, that's some bullshit, dude. Yeah, they do it to your windows, too. They'll do it on the inside of your windows.

32:16Etienne FontanOh, man, they did it to everything. Yeah, there's a window swipe, yeah, that finds any THCA, et cetera. Down in Louisiana, you know what they would do if the cops pulled you over? They would ask to smell your fingers. And I didn't smoke back then, but I didn't know why. But they were trying to smell if you had just smoked a joint and flicked it out the window.

32:34BubblemanAnd you know, that's a very simple litmus test. It's the same litmus test actually the Ukrainians in Kiev at the Institute for Bast Fibers did. Goro Brodko was the head back in the 90s when I was dealing with them. But those guys were, you know, they were told by the DEA 20 to 30 plus years ago, maybe even more, 30, 30 plus, that they had to get rid of THC or get rid of their hemp and it sort of was a big part of their economy.

33:02BubblemanThey really used it. It was an important factor in their economy. You can see the history of Ukrainian hemp actually at Ben's Museum in Barcelona. There's really some beautiful photographs and There's thrashers and hand thrashers and the whole, all the different tools and stuff and it's really quite something. But anyway, this guy, Goro Brodko, he figured out that he could go into the field with this particular litmus test and I guess he was testing the pH or whatnot and These plants that would turn purplish color on the test, he would just pull.

33:38BubblemanAnd he did that for years, and maybe even more than a decade or two, and they got, in return, the Ukrainians are known for the lowest THC content on the planet. It's .01 for the Zolotinotia. I don't know what they're growing now. I'm talking from... 20 years ago. But the Zola Tenocha 11, 13, and 15, which was some of the original seed we imported into Canada, was all below 0.03% THC.

34:06Bubbleman0.0, not 0.3. 0.0. It was low. It's how we got hemp grown in Canada, to be honest, because when we approached our government, they were like, it has to be below 0.1 or 0.2, and we were like, well, it's 0.01, and they were just like, done.

34:22SpeakerDone.

34:26SpeakerYeah. I got a love for Sean May up in the chat, man. He's a good friend. Which guy? Sean May. Alright. He loves dry soot, man. He's a lover and connoisseur of fine resin. Local here in Washington. It's nice to see your name in the chat, man.

34:47SpeakerBut, um, yeah, luckily I haven't had any crazy experiences, man, getting pulled over and shit while smoking, and I'm a big Smoker in the car, and they got DUI laws and shit here, so I get paranoid, you know? Oh yeah.

35:01BubblemanI stopped puffing in the car so many years ago, I think going through a roadblock and getting busted with 16 and a half pounds and a bunch of cash back in the day was like... It scarred me. I was like, ooh. When you're in your car and you're rolling with the dank and you're like, yeah, dude, life is good. And then all of a sudden you're in a cage and cops are opening your dank and you're like, oh, this is not a good scene all of a sudden.

35:24BubblemanYou change the game. And in fact, there was not a more single event in my life that created bubble bags because that was the event that happened that led me to, I'll never forget my wife saying, Can you like do something else, like something still maybe pot related, but like something where we won't get arrested and thrown in jail? And so I requested, I had to do it, I had to listen.

35:55BubblemanAnd that's how, I actually learned it from my lawyer, okay, because when I would pay my lawyer money, I'm going in court and in the end it was great, I got the money, I got the no fine, no time. I wouldn't have gotten a record had Canada not had the most insane law. Anything over four kilos in Canada of herb holds a maximum fine sentence of 25 years in prison.

36:22BubblemanNow, no one's ever been given 25 years in prison, but it's on the books. And because it's on the books, it ties the judge's hands when throwing it out. So if it's over a certain amount of kilos, basically there was no getting around the fact that I had to get the record because of the way the law was written and the way it went through. The judge didn't want to.

36:43BubblemanHe had developed prostate cancer during my trial, so he was very interested. I had many, many, many people from the BC Compassion Club in my case. Every time I went to court, first it was 10, and then it was 20, and then it was like 40 people from the Compassion Club. I would rent school buses to bring them to and from the courts. It was quite an experience, I'll say that much.

37:09BubblemanI got pretty much off, but still got the record. The thing I found interesting about it was that The prosecutor just really wanted the cash. He knew he was going to... It's all decided in the hallways, right? It's not decided in the court. These guys know each other for 25 years. They're like, oh, hey, Bob, hey, John, what's going on? Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in fact, if you want to hear the most ridiculous thing, the prosecuting attorney in my case asked my lawyer during my case of being charged with trafficking and possession of cannabis...

37:41BubblemanHe asked my lawyer to ask me if I could get their mutual friend, who was a judge, who was dying in a hospital bed of cancer, if I could get him some cannabis. So the prosecutor who was prosecuting me for trafficking basically was trafficking cannabis while prosecuting me for it. It was quite a fucking insane thing. Anyway, of course I got the guy the bag of weed, and I would have gotten many, many, many more bags of weed And back to my main point, which was the prosecutor wanted the money.

38:16BubblemanHe called it proceeds of crime. That proceeds of crime, he said, it's cash. It's just in $20 bills. It's very suspicious. I'm like, how do you keep your money in a big paper bag all loose and rolling around? Anyway, all I knew was this. If I got pulled over with that money, it was proceeds of crime. But when my lawyer got pulled over with that money, it was a paycheck.

38:38BubblemanHe was on his way to the bank to put it in the bank. And that's really where I was like, so is there a way to access funds from cannabis without actually dealing in cannabis? And that was another big part of how bubble bags sort of, I just was trying to think of a business. I was trying to think of a way that I could Still be dealing with cannabis people, still be dealing with people that were getting, I knew this, the money they were going to spend with me was acquired through the profits of cannabis, but because the way I was acquiring it, it was impossible, it wasn't illegal, it was how they did it legally.

39:17BubblemanAnd that was a very important lesson I learned from John Conroy, so, thank you John.

39:28NickAll right, guys. I got to get going. I'm about to head up to San Francisco for day two, so if anybody's going to be around, make sure to stop in and take some dabs.

39:37SpeakerWord. Stay for the award show, man.

39:41BubblemanWe'll see you there because Tony's going to be live broadcasting from there in about an hour.

39:46NickYeah, I'm going to meet up with Tony, so we should be on probably right about 11. I know. Perfect, dude. We'll see you then. Perfect. All right. Have a good one, guys.

39:54SpeakerWord. Yep. They are awesome. Go ahead, Q. I sent my lady to go look for Tony to see if I can get her on video. He'll be at the Farmer's Site booth. Yeah, I told her. I'm thinking about starting up a tiny chat later on this afternoon or something like that where I can get mad people in to wait for the awards ceremony.

40:16BubblemanWell, dude, I'm going to eventually get the video chat aspect back on Full Melt Bubble, and that'll be a good spot for us to be able to use for things like that and for in-between Hash Church, really. I'm going to call it Hash Church Waiting Room, because people wait for seven days for Hash Church to restart and for things to get... To get back up and running and it would be a nice place to give them to have a place to chill and talk all throughout the week.

40:43BubblemanBecause, well, there's some great people out there that Hash Church has brought in.

40:52SpeakerWord. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm excited for my 20 gal set of bags. Can't wait for tomorrow. Man, I don't know why UPS doesn't ship on a Saturday. I would have had these things yesterday. But, yeah. Hey, can you stack garbage bags and separate, like, for example, put one 220, a 190, and a 160 on one garbage bag, and then put, like, a 120, 97, or whatever on the second one, and then the 45 on the third one?

41:21SpeakerCut, the first two cut, and the second one open with, like, a drain valve on the bottom? You could be able to do that? Or is it going to be, like, too heavy? You can definitely do that, but the 25 micron at the end is going to take a while to drain, and so you're not going to be able to just pour right through like you're thinking, I don't think.

41:38SpeakerOh, I don't use 25 micron. I hate that bike. I mean, you know, it's going to drain for sure, but... Even with the 45, you know, you got to do a little bit of shimmy and shake and when you get up to that 20 gallon size bag, it's not like, you know.

41:55BubblemanIf you want a real good idea though, you put like a big powerful air pump in the bottom of your bucket and so if you can crank that thing and blow the resin off the screen, you can lift the bag easy. It comes out. It's the resin that's on the screen that's slowing it down from dripping through.

42:15SpeakerBecause I'm going to try running three 20 gal machines through this 20 gal set. Now, I run all my 20 gal machines through a five gal set. So, you know, I call it the shake, shake, shake, Shenoro, bro. After like one machine, I'm there like trying to get through the whole process of the draining. So I'm hoping that the 20 gal set's a little more forgiving on the back.

42:39SpeakerRight. It'll be a lot easier for you to drain than those five gallons Cuban. Putting three machines through a five gallon, that's a lot of water to move through there, man. Whoa. Yeah. I don't know how people do it, bro. Matt Rice is like, yeah, man, I do it with a five gallon. I'm like, bro, no you don't, bro. You're lying to me. I'm going to use that 20 gallon set, bro.

43:01SpeakerYou stay with the fives. Fuck that. Yeah, we use multiple sets a lot of times and then just put the hashes together. You know, so the different screens, we'll just put them all together and pull them in one poll. But, yeah, once you get a lot of water moving around, it's a lot to deal with. Yeah. This guy, Shake, Shake, Shake. Man, if you've made water hash with 5-gal set, you know what Shake, Shake, Shake is, bro.

43:28SpeakerWith that 73, it gets clogged.

43:32SpeakerOh, yeah.

43:34BubblemanI know all about it. Yeah, I've run multiple 20-gallon kits. It's many times people have wanted me to build them or customize them large units. And I'm like, well, you can be pretty damn effective with like a 20-gallon machine mixing for three. One bubble now will mix three machines. Because you only mix for so long. And that thing can just be mixing and mixing and mixing. And if you're pulling bags, I mean, with me and one other person, we turned 40 pounds into, oh, what did we turn it into?

44:04BubblemanWas it two and a bit pounds of like, and it was trim, like not all the best trim either. It was literally like a big grower that had just been collecting everything. But we got two pounds of melt from that batch. And it was beautiful from the like 45 micron up to the 160 micron. So awesome.

44:25SpeakerYeah, I never pick out my bags. The reason I separate my bags into buckets is because I like to just like take the 220 side and all that out and just go right to my 73, take the patty out and just reassemble it. I take my 45s and all that out at the end. But it makes it hard, man. I just rosin everything. I keep the 73 and then I mix my 190s, 160s into my 45 and, you know,

44:52SpeakerYo, speaking of rosin, man, I've been wanting to show you guys this stuff. So there's a guy called Foundation Extracts. I brought him up before. He has like a really powerful press and these little plates and he makes like, you know, pretty nice rosin with very low temp. And he's designing these bags that are micron filtered and he calls it the APE Extractor. And dude sent me a few of them.

45:15SpeakerThey come in different microns, you know, 90, 220, and a 130 microns. So my biggest problem with my press is that no matter what I use, I tend to bust the teabag. You know what I mean? But these don't, man. And these are prototypes. He has like different stitchings and stuff on them. But big up to this guy, man. I made some real nice rosin yesterday thanks to him.

45:36SpeakerWicked. That's awesome.

45:37BubblemanWell, it's nice to see people forwarding the motion, you know? Yeah. Giving things to a better level. Hey, I got a shout out to this Earl Lax guy too. His website is errlax.com. And he wrote a cool little article called Why You Need to Watch Hash Church.

45:55SpeakerCool.

45:56BubblemanHe posted it just this month. I'll post it in the Google chat so you guys can check it out if you like. And I just wanted to give him a shout out. It was pretty well written and I appreciated it.

46:10SpeakerSome slap-a-dabs? Yeah. Here's mine. People hook me up with stickers, man, because they know I stick it onto my car or whatever, you know? Oh, that's nice. I don't know why it won't go clear, though.

46:26BubblemanYeah, it's a plastic card like a credit card.

46:31BubblemanI have stickers, too, but I have no idea where they ended up. I can't keep up with all this stuff. It's like I've been in business for, like, Almost 20 years, I figured it was time to like make some stickers. That was another thing, all these years of going to the cups and all I did at the cup was smoke people out. I just, that was my thing for like 20 years.

46:49BubblemanI get my booth, I got no free shit, I'm just puffing bowls with people and man, I watched people give away some unbelievable amounts of shit. Swag bags, they called them. I was like, they call them swag bags? I would rather have a dank rip than a swag bag.

47:08Etienne FontanAll day long.

47:11SpeakerYou work, Mr. Sheetal says he works with Foundation Extracts. Well, man, they're good peeps. And I only trust Fresh Hatties for the bubble bags, man. I don't fuck around with that no more.

47:20BubblemanYou know, Wicked, yeah, that is cool that he works at the place you just, at the guys you just shouted out.

47:25SpeakerYeah.

47:27BubblemanVery good, very good. Well, Tony says he's going to be a little bit, so we'll see him in about an hour. I'm not sure if Aaron's coming in today, but we've got Jen Doe and Marcel and Jessica coming in here in a little bit. Nice. And, yeah, Phil's going to try and source a PC. Someone asked how they could get in touch with Phil Pearson, my friend with the cluster migraine headaches that has come on a few times.

47:56BubblemanHe's... He's going to come in in a little bit and try to share what information he knows about that. That'll be good. I think it's almost time for a bowl. I don't see us puffing very tough here. I think the smoking is really the great facilitator of the logos, as you will, the language. So everyone just take a half gram dab.

48:22SpeakerGot my ass gooey rosin over here, fresh pressed.

48:25BubblemanI'm rocking some headband. Headband. Tasty. Who's knocking on me? Who's knocking on me?

48:34SpeakerI love Headband, bro.

48:39SpeakerBut if there's one thing I'm starting to love a lot, it's OG.

48:43Etienne FontanOkay, I'm going to ask the entire panel. If you could ban off the face of the earth one genetic, what genetic would you wipe off the face of the earth?

48:55SpeakerPlushberry. Plushberry. Fuck that shit. Oh jeez. Flushberry was the first thing I ever washed and I had like a nine sec because the weed was so pink and it was nice and all that aesthetic stuff. But bro, it didn't melt. And I'm there trying to learn how to make hash and my hash is like non-melt. Dude, I felt so bad for myself. I didn't know what was going on.

49:16SpeakerShit almost made me quit. No shit.

49:22BubblemanWell, that's just commercial swag. Yeah, I don't know if I could, you know, that's a hard question because when I really think of that, Etienne, I think that, you know, you start thinking like things like root or LS or like, but then it's like, but then that's a flowering issue and you might want that trait. Like, I wouldn't want to really get rid of any plants because they can potentially have that That trait in that plant, it could be in there.

49:46BubblemanIt could be a needle in a haystack, but the right breeder could find it and locate it and pull it to the surface. I remember the fact that the best thing about the gene pool is its size. We want the whole global gene pool, not like the trailer park gene pool where it's like, oh yeah, my sister is actually my mom and it's all fucked up. That was more of a hypothetical.

50:39Etienne FontanA hypothetical question. It wasn't really if you were banning it. It's just I've heard some people say they're just so sick of this genetic. They're so sick of this genetic. So if you could pull one, what would it be? Because it's a terrible yielder, terrible taster, too greasy to bubble.

50:57BubblemanYou know what? If I could pull one for a short period of time, like say six months, maybe a year, I I would pull Kush and just take it away from everyone and make them find something else. Just make them go. It's like fish when Trey was like, we're stopping because you guys need to get lives.

51:19SpeakerThat's exactly... That's exactly what I was going to say. You know, I've got a similar approach to it to both of them. I was sitting here thinking, hey, what would I ban? And I'm like, for like one second, hemp popped into my mind because I'm like, oh, that's not really the most useful thing. And then I'm like, well, wait a minute. It actually really is pretty useful and it's cannabis, so I wouldn't want to kick anything out.

51:40SpeakerBut if I could kick two things out for a temporary time, I love Kush and Dizzle. But they're bred into way too many things in our world. You know, everybody has cushioned diesel, cushioned diesel, cushioned diesel. And so I think that cushioned diesel are responsible for us losing a wide variety of genetics that people used to have. But then Kush and Diesel started being way popularized and you could get a little bit more for those strains when you were wholesaling them.

52:15SpeakerSo people just moved away from having a lot of their heirloom strains that didn't... Didn't do the same thing. Kush and Dizzle. Kush and Dizzle. So let me ask you a question. When you say Kush, are you talking about like the Afghan style Kush? Or are you talking about the OG? I'm talking like OG Kush. You know, I'm not saying I don't like it. I love OG.

52:41SpeakerI love Master Kush, right? You know, I love Pure Kush. Those are all really, really favorites of mine. And I love Sour Diesel. You know, all of those strains, they're fun for making hashish, but people really have used them and crossed them with so many things that it's just kind of, they pollute our gene pool now. And I'm not saying it's a completely bad thing. They're great, but yeah.

53:07SpeakerWell, I like the original. I don't like the crosses. That original clone only is what I want to smoke. Another one people are posting in the chat room that's funny is Blue Dream. Us living in Washington, you know about that Blue Dream. I don't like Blue Dream. I love Blue Dream. I'm a haze guy, you know. So it's got that really sweet kind of blueberry flavor but with like a lot of good haze turps to it as well.

53:35SpeakerSo Blue Dream, it's a winner for me. Word. It's just so overly grown. It's like always the cheapest pound and you know what I mean? Nobody really wants to buy it. It's overgrown. It's fire weed though, especially the Kaya's Blue Dream that be circulating around here. It's good. It's just everybody has that shit.

53:56JeffI think regionally there's oversaturation. So everyone regionally, it's like if I wish my region would take a break from Bubba Kush and, you know, the beginner strains. Like, I mean, I know they're great for pain, but it seems like there's no exploration. So that's the thing I want to say about Cali is I wish Cali could take a break from OG and experience something else than just it's almost turning into McDonald's.

54:23Etienne FontanI love it. I am noticing in chat that everything is regional, that people are, because they're like, California, they're tired of Girl Scout cookies, and there's a lot of representation of cookies out there and was at the cup, so as everything was back in the 80s, you know, it became everything was skunk, now today everything is cookies. So I agree, it definitely seems to be regionalism without a doubt.

54:51Etienne FontanPlaying out because, you know, that's how genetics go, you know. In the United States, we don't have seed companies. It's basically what you have access. So we put out clones all the time. So we see a lot what's out there. And so what people produce is what we actually see and bring back. So it's rather interesting regionally to see what's out there, what's being perpetuated because it's what people are getting turned on to.

55:19Etienne FontanAnd as you say, Horatio, Yeah, it's those beginner strains, and that's a frustration, but that's what we see here in California. That's what sells. That's what people are dealing with. So they go with what goes, and that's where we need to be the teachers to go out there with the hazes and those other genetics to constantly be refreshing the gene pool, so to say, because the big problem we have in California...

55:43Etienne FontanAs people would grow, I have a tattoo on my arm of a plant I grew 20 years ago. It was called the Flow and it was my favorite plant. But I grew it down south when I was living in L.A. and no one kept the mother or no one seeded to the point where I came back for my next batch, that plant was no longer available. So then I had to learn myself that I had to make my own mothers of these genetics to perpetuate them and then put them back out there because that's a frustration is Thank you for joining us today.

56:40JeffYou know, demand, which can just be something that can be created, but an actual, like, this strain is a level 10 difficulty, you need to respect this grower.

56:50SpeakerThat's how it is here in Washington. In Washington, if you grow that real, real, real good cooks, and it's really the right phenol, or the right clone, and you know what I mean, it comes out 10 out of 10, and you know cookies doesn't put out no 2, 3 pounds per life, you know, so you're getting some minimal yield. They'll pay up to $3,200 a pack even on a five pack.

57:11SpeakerThey don't care. But then the stuff that puts down three a lie, it goes for like the 18 and the two.

57:17Etienne FontanWell, the true OG Kush, it's kind of always been that way. 20 years ago, Horatio, when I was living in L.A., OG Kush was kept by minimum dealers, I mean minimum growers because it was the original maker at the time. It was only given to specific people with the understanding that this genetic didn't go out. So it always commanded a higher price, and it's a terrible yielder.

57:39Etienne FontanI knew people that grew it various ways. I had friends of mine that would take the plants, veg them for two months, and then flower them one per parabolic thousand. And white powdery mildew started to become a problem later on, but the yield was still terrible comparatively. And the price was always high. There was no change in price. There was no bro deal. It was fuck you, this much, all the time.

58:09Etienne FontanSo it's kind of always been reflective and indicative of where you are regionally. Whoever has the best weed, you're going to pay their price for it regardless. And it's something that we had to learn as dispensaries is that, hey, we actually could change that. We actually could demand lower prices, And on top of that, could pass the savings on to the patients. And that was not easy to do.

58:34Etienne FontanAnd then, you know, because people were like, hey, wait a second. And then we started to say, well, hey, can you then give it to us on credit? And that was a total game changer because you could either sit on your weed or you could let me sit on your weed and when I have that opening in my space, I could put it out there and get it out there to the people.

58:56Etienne FontanAnd so, Then you can come back seven days later and I have your money for you. Now that worked great if everything worked fine, you know. But that's just the reality of the things that we found from listening to the market because the market dictates itself. The dealer who's making all the money locally isn't going to be like, oh, you're broke, okay, here's less. They can command that price because of prohibition, et cetera, et cetera.

59:20Etienne FontanBut now when the retail market, as we saw with dispensaries here in California, Any agronomy, it's a race to the bottom now. It's no longer a race to the top. It's no longer 6,000 a pound. We got that down to 4,000. Somebody was telling me last night, I remember when he used to sell for 4,400 a pound. Now it gets down into the 2,600 a pound. So it's never going back up.

59:44Etienne FontanIt's always, you know, with agronomy, it's going down. So, again, it's access, what you have access to, and what you can, you know, grow, grow respectfully. And so we have to make it on ourselves that we have access to good product at a good price. And so I can demand now a lower price, respectively, because I can go to this guy who's coming in saying, I want this much for a pound and say, well, this is what I just paid for this.

1:00:12Etienne FontanSo either you can pay this for this or thank you, have a nice day. But they have choices of where they can go. When you're subjective to the local dealer, you've got no choice. Fuck you, one choice, that's it. It's amazing when people can come to my shop and there's over 200 different SKUs. Yeah, I've never went to my dealer and had one, more than one choice.

1:00:31Etienne FontanOkay, so that you can now go into stores in Colorado, Washington, here in a second, Oregon and Alaska. I mean, come on Cuban, you gotta tell me, the first time you actually went into a dispensary, you could actually have choice as opposed to just the one selection you were stuck with, end of story. For me, it was a game changer. And now to be able to provide those different varieties In these variety of price ranges, I have been through 15 years of market structure through the people telling me what they want and actively listening to our patient and patient base because they wanted this cannabis at this price.

1:01:09Etienne FontanAnd I could say, no, I can't and charge it higher all day long and that's just going to sit on the shelf and go through, you know, rot because it's just going to sit there. So, Dealing with an educated, already base of people who are educated about cannabis in general in California, there's not much of a learning curve which will be in some of these other states.

1:01:33Etienne FontanBut, you know, in the end, it's all about good cannabis at a good price. End of story. Otherwise, fuck you, they're going somewhere else.

1:01:40SpeakerNo doubt.

1:01:42Etienne FontanSorry to diatribe.

1:01:47SpeakerYeah, I think prices are regional. For example, here in In Washington, a pound of OG, no matter how fire it is, doesn't really go for very much, 24, maybe 25, while cookies are going for the 32, farmer's markets or dispensaries or whatever the case, you know. But then you take that same pound of cookies to California, nobody wants to smoke it. People don't really like cookies out there, but the OGs are going for the 3 plus, for the fire.

1:02:15SpeakerSo, I mean, what I grow now is just the flavors that I've seen the market geared towards In my area. And it also makes good hash, you know what I mean?

1:02:30BubblemanYeah, I just realized, I was sending out the link to people, and I guess I had copy and pasted that Earl Wax link that I put in here, why you need to watch Hash Church. So I was sending that link out to people instead of the actual Hash Church link.

1:02:47SpeakerMorning. Hi, John.

1:02:56BubblemanYes, it is a good morning. Here we are in beautiful British Columbia. At least here I am. I don't know where all you guys are. Actually, I do know where all you guys are for the most part. Where are you at right now, Mark?

1:03:12SpeakerPennsylvania? No, no, no. I'm at my hotel room here in San Francisco, close to the car.

1:03:19BubblemanOh, you're in San Francisco too. That's awesome. Fucking rights. Everyone's just down there.

1:03:25SpeakerYeah, so it was meeting Todd and ATN yesterday. It was, again, a wonderful experience. Ash Church people coming together at the Cannabis Cup is a beautiful thing. That's awesome.

1:03:46SpeakerYeah, and we had a chemistry question, Mark, remember? A chemistry question? Yeah, so somebody posted on the... Hash Church Facebook page yesterday, something about converting THC to CBN?

1:04:03BubblemanOh yeah, that was Mike, John's neighbor.

1:04:05SpeakerThat's my neighbor, yes.

1:04:07BubblemanSo yeah, he did ask that question.

1:04:10SpeakerSo why would you want to do that? Well, the newest, his wife has found out that he's been reading something. Articles about some people that have brain cancer and the doctors that are helping out these particular patients are saying that CBN is a real good fighter for this and so they want to give it a shot because Mike has done over 100 days of cannabis therapy. We've given him a lot of different formulas from ratios helped him out to I've helped him out to we've had him with Phoenix Tears.

1:04:43SpeakerAnd he just had surgery not yesterday before where they cut the tumors out of his cheek and cut them out of his leg. And then he's going for a major surgery on the 27th where they'll be cutting out part of his vertebrae and part of his rib and putting metal to get rid of the cancer that is still there. So it's, of course, a battle. But he's looking at every which way and this is just something new that they're reading about and they're kind of looking in on it and I guess probably because of the hype that's on the internet right now, it might be another thing.

1:05:17SpeakerI just recently found out about it yesterday that that's what we would like to try and do. And I was like, what's the hard thing? Throw it in the freezer for a year and convert? Yeah, my advice if you want to come up with a high CBN extract is extract the oldest weed that's been sitting on the shelf that you possibly can find. There's a background degradation that happens to THC.

1:05:44SpeakerOn curing, which is TAT does convert to CBN. And I have no data to point to this direction, but I do believe that that's a microbial mediated process. So I believe that microbes start decomposing TAT and converting it to new metabolites that were reported by the Yale Soil Lab recently. And that those metabolites are in route to CBN. So I think CBN Again, it's just a degradation product of THC.

1:06:15SpeakerIt actually competitively, like CBD, competes for the CB1 receptor. So actually, CBN sort of works against the psychotropic effects that you feel when THC binds to the CB1 receptor. So I think it's only a mild antagonist, so I think THC has a much higher affinity for that receptor. But I do believe, and again, I don't have any experimental evidence to point this way, that CBN might be responsible for that popcorn essence or flavor that people are reporting in, say, rosin or older weed.

1:07:00SpeakerI would say that if you could find a bag of old weed that's been sitting around For a couple years, try extracting that and send off the hash to see what the CBN level is because I do believe that this is just a background thing that happens on standing. Well, here we go, Mark. I got a bag of material I converted back in 2010. This is five years.

1:07:27SpeakerOf course. Yeah. It also, that degradation reaction also requires air. So it's helpful if that air comes in contact with the herb because if there's no air there, it's an oxidation process. And so when you convert THC to CBN, the oxygen in the air is actually required in that process. So it might be something that you wouldn't want to leave out like just on the shelf for some time, not worry about turf loss, but just try to see if you can age the weed In the presence of air because that will accelerate the formation of CBN.

1:08:06SpeakerWe saw that when we put it in the freezer and I tested it years ago and we saw a change over the period of six months to a year. We went from like 14% THC down to 8% and the CBN had then converted up. So we did see that degradation in the freezer and stuff. What was the level of CBN that was in there, John? I would dig out the test, but I remember in the beginning it started, you could see how it changed.

1:08:34SpeakerIt was almost like, I'm just really trying to remember what it was. Yeah, those changes should be concomitant with one another. So as you see THC drop, CBN should go up. CBN is kind of like the thermodynamic resting place for For the cannabinoids, because you fully aromatize the top, if you're looking at the structure of THC itself, you'll see that the top structure no longer is a methylcyclohexene ring, but it's now the full-on aromatic benzene ring.

1:09:10SpeakerThat's a much stabler, lower ground state energy than THC, which has the potential energy over to do that. So you always got to think of chemistry kind of like I described this analogy a few times, and I think people get it. It's kind of like a roller coaster. So the molecules start here, and then we excite them or we perturb them in some way, and that sort of sends them up an energy profile, and when they come down the backside of the roller coaster, they don't always land where they started, right?

1:09:42SpeakerAnd so Mother Nature likes to sort of expend energy, and the way that entropy works is that, again, with decarboxylation in particular, is that You're giving off a molecule of CO2 that can never recombine with the cannabinoids. So your acids start here, you heat them up on the nail, and then when they basically lose CO2, they end up becoming a lower energy state that can't reverse because you've already sent them up and over the hill of the roller coaster, so to speak.

1:10:11BubblemanGood metaphor, good metaphor. I like it. Everyone's loving it in chat, for sure. They're saying, preach, Mark, preach!

1:10:19SpeakerI'll say it again, I'm lucky to have such an attentive audience.

1:10:23BubblemanWell, you know, it's why we love having you in here. You're very articulate in the way you can explain the knowledge that you know, so it's nice to have that. They're appreciating it. They're appreciating everyone in chat and mentioning everyone, so yeah, we appreciate that. Thank you. It's fucking awesome. I know I couldn't have said it, so thanks.

1:10:44SpeakerOn a heat level, Mark, if someone wanted to speed up the process, what would be your advice on that? Yeah, so this I think was a little bit spelled out in the comments there, and it was kind of interesting, ATN's result, which is basically showing that, and you know, we need Horatio, you need to chime in with the same set of data for your crystalline THC, and that is that you could start with a cold nail, so a room temperature nail, put your crystalline THC on the nail, and then turn on your e-nail, And then look at the temperature where that white crystalline solid then, you know, melts.

1:11:28SpeakerAnd look to see if you see bubbles coming out of the melt. Now, I think what ATN said is that, I wrote these temperatures down, but I can't find a piece of paper I wrote it down on. ATN, what were those temperatures that you saw the melt of your pure THC and then the bubbles?

1:11:42Etienne Fontan374 to 376.

1:11:47Etienne FontanThat's when it just started to just descend on the sapphire, and then at 380 it started to, as you said, when it actually started to bubble bubble, and it started to bubble and boil like that.

1:12:00SpeakerYeah. So, again, what you're doing is by putting these molecules, these highly crystalline molecules on the nail,

1:12:11SpeakerWhat you're seeing is as they melt, they're basically starting to decarboxylate as well. And again, what you're doing, again, think about the rollercoaster analogy. You're starting with the molecules here. As you heat them up, they're landing in a different place because, again, you're basically decarboxylating, which is activating the THC so it can cross the blood-brain barrier. Okay. So I'd like to find out what the same data is for that crystal and CBD that we looked at last night, ATN.

1:12:46JeffI had a different question. Yeah, that was my next question for you because I noticed I saw some tests and the CBD was fully activated. And then I started wondering if it was some type of salt that was being used to form the crystalline structure that made it dry. Because I saw the activation and I'm like, I don't know if I can recrystallize my active LHO. And if I did, it would be weird.

1:13:12JeffThat kind of was my thing I wondered. I'm like, how can that CBD be fully activated but in a crystalline structure without... Horatio, this is what I got last night. Yeah. Yeah, no, I trace a lot of that on Instagram, so it's the stuff down in Cali, but yeah, I saw the price, and then the price turned out to be really low per gram, so I assumed, okay, it's made out of hemp, but I still couldn't piece together the structure if it was testing active.

1:13:50BubblemanWell, someone in chat's asking who thinks his wife isn't hot. I'm like, I don't even know what that means. I'm just going to stay away from that one.

1:14:02BubblemanStick with the dabs. Dabs, dabs, and more dabs. Nice Father's Day Sunday here. Happy Father's Day to all the fathers listening and all the fathers in the house. I know we have at least a few of them in here right now. What do we have? One, two, three, four, five fathers in the house?

1:14:20SpeakerI got two cats.

1:14:22BubblemanGrateful Dad. Grateful Dad. Did you see that thing I held up earlier, Mark? It was for you. I might have even pulled it off your website for that matter. I don't know. What was that, Mark? Hold it up again. Let me see. I didn't see it. I think you'll appreciate it if you haven't seen it, but you've probably seen it. Which one was that? One sec. Here we go.

1:14:46SpeakerOh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey Mark, are you going down to the Santa Clara Dead Shows? You know, I'm not. I've been offered tickets and certainly I'd love to, but you know, I'm out here for the Cup this week and actually this is the first Father's Day in 18 years that I've not spent with my children and my family and my wife, so I'm kind of, it actually brought me to tears earlier in the week to think that I wasn't going to be with my family on Father's Day, so that I'm a dedicated family guy, and it means a lot to me to be with my family.

1:15:25SpeakerBut no, I'm going to actually, we're going to Chicago. Actually, Chicago is the 20th anniversary of when I asked my wife to marry me. I asked her to marry me the first night of Soldier Field, not knowing that Mr. Garcia was going to check out shortly thereafter. So our life certainly had changed after Chicago 20 years ago. So we're going to go to Chicago and have a lot of fun and drop a bunch of LSD.

1:15:51SpeakerExcellent. I tried the Chicago tickets and I couldn't get them, man. They were just too hot to get them and so California it is.

1:16:00BubblemanHey Jeff, I can get you one for like $110,000 general admission.

1:16:04SpeakerHey Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, send me a message. I can probably set you up with tickets, my friend. And the powers of the past, church, once again.

1:16:16JeffI think Mark is making LSD for everyone. That's how he's getting the tickets.

1:16:21BubblemanHe's going to show up with a 55 gallon, no, a garbage bag like Owsley, like Bear used to do. Just roll up with the garbage bag and give a handful.

1:16:29Etienne FontanOne miracle, one miracle, one miracle.

1:16:34SpeakerI got to tell you, I got to tell everybody a Bear story now. And tell them who Bear is. Because a lot of people don't know who Bear is. Yeah, so Bear is Owsley Stanley who turned on most of the Bay Area generation, the Summer of Love people to LSD, to high potency LSD. He was a dropout, I believe, of Stanford University and I guess along with Robert Hunter, the Grateful Dead lyricist, was actually involved in some of the government testing of LSD That was done.

1:17:13SpeakerThey recruited students at Stanford University to go into this room. And don't tell anybody about this room. It's a special room that only you can go in. And they gave you a little cup of water and you drank this cup of water and then they filmed you for hours to see what kind of madness you would be lurched into. But anyway, so Stanley, Owsley Stanley actually was a manager of the Grateful Dead for a while.

1:17:41SpeakerHe was A recording engineer, he was the guy who really envisioned the wall of sound, which, by the way, was debuted on March 23, 1974, right down the road where the Cannabis Cup is at the Cal Palace here in Daly City, California. He designed the Steal Your Face logo. Yes, he designed the Steal Your Face logo. He also was the guy who recorded all of the old and in the way sessions.

1:18:09SpeakerAnd more. Those, I think. Grateful Dead historians, absolutely. He owns a lot of recordings. Yeah, and so my funny bear story is I knew his girlfriend quite well during the early 90s, and I defended my PhD dissertation on Wednesday, and that Friday we went to Hamilton, Ontario to the Grateful Dead shows. This was in March of 1992, and I was just completely... Out of my mind, in a psychedelic kind of way, and Sharon, my friend, came up to me and said, look, we're going to go meet Bear backstage.

1:18:51SpeakerI said, okay. So this was just before, those of you who know the format of a Grateful Dead show, there were two sets, typically, and during the second set, there was a part that they would call drum space, where the band would walk off stage and they'd let the drummers do a drum solo. And so this was just before that, and so Sharon walked me backstage, and there it was, the band walked right in front of me.

1:19:15SpeakerJerry Garcia walked as close as I am to my laptop computer, walked right in front of me. They all walked, and I was just completely out of my mind, just starstruck. I didn't want to, oh, hey, Jerry, like reach out and hug him, or anything. I was just kind of sort of standing there. And so then Bear walked up, and then Bear was actually, he has made these silver cast belt buckles that he sells for, you know, $5,000.

1:19:37SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:20:06SpeakerWe talked organic chemistry from drum space through the end of the show, through the end of almost loadout. I mean, it's almost like we stayed there for almost, I would say, three hours and talked about chemistry of LSD and psychedelics and mushrooms and all kinds. So my first PhD consultation as a PhD scientist was with Bear.

1:20:31Etienne FontanThat's awesome. Oh, dude, that is awesome. In 94, I was gathering signatures for Jack's initiative back in the day, and we were working the Dead Show here in Oakland, and he came right up to us, and he's like, really appreciate what you're doing. And he introduced himself, and I was immediately like, I know your stuff. I've tried your stuff. I had a friend of mine who actually had a time capsule who Check this out, Mark.

1:21:04Etienne FontanYou're not going to believe this. This cat moves into an abandoned house in Berkeley. It turns out to be the old Last Gats Press house.

1:21:12SpeakerThere's all the original plates.

1:21:17Etienne FontanSo he starts taking these plates and starts trading them for the original art. And along the way, of course, you know, it's a small community of these real holders of the original art. And he came across these two time capsules. And so he gave me some and I was able to try it. So I was able to then ask him, I was like, Mr. Stanley, I tried your acid.

1:21:42Etienne FontanWas this your acid? And I described it to him. He's like, to a T, that's it. What'd you think?

1:21:48SpeakerI was like, it was amazing.

1:21:49Etienne FontanIt was the best I've ever had. And it was true. And it was just an honor to meet him and just to talk to him. But what was so cool was how down to earth he was and how I was You know, he wasn't so caught up in himself. His ego was very checked to the point where he would engage you if he wanted to engage you.

1:22:08Etienne FontanBecause I could see when people recognized who he was, he then, you know, disappeared into where he needed to go to. But it was an amazing man.

1:22:19SpeakerYeah, I mean, I totally agree with what you're saying, ATN. He was looking for intellectual stimulation and he certainly found it in me in that state of mind. At a Grateful Dead show, I mean, they went into the drum space playing Dark Star. For those of you who know Grateful Dead music, it's one of the most improvisational pieces that they ever came up with. And so my mind was floating around in the universe, and so what better place to come down and talk to the guy who turned on half a generation to LLSD.

1:22:58SpeakerIt was great. I loved it.

1:23:00Etienne FontanMy PTSD and being a veteran after the war, I highly credit LSD therapy and cannabis greatly with helping me come back to society. One experience, the first event I did was the 50th anniversary of LSD at the Unitarian Church. He met me there originally. I worked the front door. I worked the front door So I took all the money. And you've got to understand, guys, back in 93, it was a one-day event, and it was a $100 ticket.

1:23:34Etienne FontanAnd so this was literally my first event we did with Cann. We pasted the whole Bay Area.

1:23:43Etienne FontanPeople showed up with just amazing. I literally sat there at the front desk with people saying, hey, you want to try my 50th anniversary batch of LSD? And I'm like, yes, I do. But I'm responsible here, so I spent half the day asking for, can I get that napkin? Here, would you put that drop on that napkin? And then looking for any cigarette smoker, say, hey, can I get that cellophane from your wrapper?

1:24:08Etienne FontanAnd I would take a pen, and I would take the paper and slide it into the cellophane not to touch it, because Lord knows if you touch that stuff, it's done, it's over, all done. And rolled it away, and tucked it away, and then came away with the most amazing balls collection of LSV that day. So, Huge fan.

1:24:30SpeakerYeah, I'm waiting for people to take things to the next level. I mean, let's start blasting some psychedelic plants along with our cannabis and see if we can put, you know, a little psychedelia into our dabs, you know. I mean, I think that that's just waiting to be happened. Someone out there's got to do it, please. Psychedablias? Psychedablias, yeah, there you go.

1:24:52BubblemanA little bit of that, of psychedablias, man, I'll tell you. These things will take you down.

1:24:58JeffWe don't want ninja dabs of psychedelics.

1:25:02Etienne FontanYeah, no sneaky dabs, man. And by the way, people, let's be responsible. You never dose anyone without their knowledge. That is not cool. Don't put anything on your cannabis and not tell anybody about it. You always be responsible. If you brought your shit, you're responsible for your shit as well. That's the reality of dealing with psychedelics in the most delicate world. You never, ever, ever dose anybody without their knowledge.

1:25:26Etienne FontanThat's fucking cool.

1:25:28SpeakerOkay, I got a story along those lines I just got to share. This goes back to my fraternity days. I'm doing a psychedelic gag here. Mushroom. Who remembers Microdot? Raise your hand. Microdots? Nobody remembers it?

1:25:44BubblemanCome on, we all remember Microdots.

1:25:46SpeakerYeah, so back in the early 80s, it was a very popular form of psychedelics. I think it was mostly mescaline, if I do remember correctly. They were these small little I don't know what they were, like sugar?

1:26:00BubblemanYou always got Microdots as acid. It was always like if you were taking Microdot.

1:26:06SpeakerI don't know because we never tested it, but all I know, Mark, is like we were out on Dead Tour, Summer Tour 82, and I think we were out in Pennsylvania or somewhere in the Midwest. And we got a big bag of micro dots. I mean, it's almost like a quarter ounce of weed worth of micro dots, just all these little dots and everything. And so we carried them in our pockets all that summer tour.

1:26:29SpeakerAnd when I got back to school that fall, all I had was just a bunch of dust on the bottom of the bag. I mean, they had all been pulverized, and I didn't even know how many were left in there. It was just a bunch of pink dust on the bottom of the bag. Well, my fraternity party has a Halloween party, and we used to make these Jell-O shots with vodka, vodka Jell-O shots, and me and my friend thought we'd get really interesting.

1:27:01SpeakerWe're like, hey, let's take that bag of micro-dot dust and dump it into one of the trays, right? So, yeah, so we had the Jell-O, which was hot. It totally dissolved all the micro-dot dust. Again, we don't know if there was 10, 50, 100 hits left. It was just a bunch of dust in the bottom of the bag. And so we put that in one of the trays of Jell-O and we kind of marked that tray to be separate and we wanted to make sure that we took the trays out for exactly the reason that ATN is saying.

1:27:30SpeakerWe didn't want to intentionally dose people that would never touch the stuff. Well, unfortunately, we were doing a session upstairs, you know, just ripping some flowers upstairs and all the hoo-hahs who weren't Weed smokers got into the vodka jello stash. They're like, oh, vodka jello. We love vodka jello. All these people who would never do psychedelics in the world. And my God, when we came downstairs and we saw that they had taken the vodka jello out of the fridge, we're like, holy shit, people.

1:28:02SpeakerYou don't know what's going to happen. And people who would never touch psychedelics ingested so much psychedelics that night. Let me tell you something. There wasn't a bitch of furniture left in the room That was intact. That whole place got turned upside down that night. The president of the fraternity, who was a pretty straight guy, I mean, he would drink beer but not smoke weed at all.

1:28:24SpeakerI walked into his room and he was stark naked on one knee, pissing on his carpeted floor, just looking at me, smiling and laughing. It was an amazing, amazing, amazing night. We never meant to intentionally dose people that didn't want to be dosed, but man, that was a crazy fucking night.

1:28:46BubblemanYeah, that sounds like some next level shit. You guys did a mop-up trip, really.

1:28:50SpeakerOh man, it was crazy. I don't think I would do that again if I had to do it all over again.

1:28:56BubblemanThis year in Spain we had, I don't know if you were at the booth, Jeff, at this time, but we had a guy come by the booth and he had some crazy stories. Remember he talked about biting the guy's finger off? I think it might have been like the prison guard. But he also was like, I'm a chemist and I make acid, but it's not acid because acid's illegal, so I make like acid.

1:29:15BubblemanAnd it's like really good and he's like I put it on, I was sending sheets into the prison and we were all tripping balls. He was telling amazing stories. Literally I told him within five minutes of meeting this guy I was like dude you are definitely by far the most fucking interesting person I've met today. I think he was like Thank you for watching.

1:29:54BubblemanLike, it was trippy. Anyway, they put it in the little plastic bag. It was a tiny little piece like this that would maybe have been four hits if it was acid. Well, dude, his girl and like, I don't know if it was eight or nine or ten other people tripped balls on that like acid. Said it was so strong and so good. I wish he was in the room and he could tell the story.

1:30:17BubblemanI sent him the link earlier, but...

1:30:19SpeakerCrazy, yeah. I remember the finger story, but I didn't see the little piece of paper. That's pretty crazy. And I remember him saying something like acid, and I was like, ah, you know, there's so many of these new concoctions out there that aren't LSD25, and they kind of scare me, I feel like, because I don't know exactly what it is. It's, you know, people can't get certain precursors, right?

1:30:46SpeakerYeah. So they start using other precursors or they decide, oh, well, this chemical's not regulated yet. And so they start doing that so they can ship it around.

1:30:57BubblemanWell, it's like even LSD. What did they tell him to do with LSD? They told him to shelf it. He went back on his own time to hit that molecule up. He was against the businesses that were paying him his orders.

1:31:13SpeakerMm-hmm.

1:31:14BubblemanIt's always that sort of like stepping out of the comfort zone that you can often discover the newest and latest and greatest thing. So it's like, I didn't take it either myself, dude. Are you kidding me? I was also in the same boat as you. I was like, I don't know what the fuck that shit is. I didn't even, Don from DNA was like, I'm not touching that shit.

1:31:37SpeakerYeah, so the starting material itself is a fungal metabolite that's made by a certain spores that infect certain grasses and whatnot. And so the key thing is to be able to get those spores. And once you get the spores, there's an isolation procedure to make the acid, which then has to be converted to the diethylamide, which is two chemical steps away.

1:32:03BubblemanMy friend Phil's listening right now, and he said he was a Bavarian chemist. Oh, yeah. From Bavaria. That's awesome, dude. That guy was awesome, truly. He had great stories, and I really liked his energy. He didn't have a bad vibe, I'll say that much about him.

1:32:24SpeakerSo yeah, I've never made acid, but I've heard tell that it's really hard to get that ergot fungus that you're talking about to have it in a pure enough quality to make pure acid. So I don't really know.

1:32:41SpeakerThat's absolutely right, Jeff, which is one of the reasons why actually, from what I understand, there's actually a shortage right now. There was never a shortage back in the day when Garcia and the boys were floating across the country and It always seemed like wherever that circus went, good ass to follow the Grateful Dead around the world. It was great. Oh yeah, that's for sure.

1:33:04BubblemanWe were lucky enough in Vancouver in the 90s to have Nicholas Sands open his lab here. He had a brilliant PhD assistant named Peter. They unfortunately both got busted, but they were producing... You know, I would guess kilos of Crystal LSD, they were producing kilos of DMT, they were producing all sorts of wonderful things that people needed and required and were able to get back. And you could literally buy grams of Crystal LSD, like grams of Crystal LSD.

1:33:38BubblemanWow!

1:33:40Etienne FontanThat's what I'm saying. Honestly, I'm not a deadhead. I love, I appreciate the Dead Show, but I only went to the Dead Shows for Shakedown Street. I only went for the lot to get because I was going to school in West Virginia and the only way to find anything bees back in the East Coast was to go to Dead Shows. And I cannot imagine without Dead Shows or Fish Show what happens to all that traveling circus.

1:34:05SpeakerYeah.

1:34:05BubblemanWell, you know what, those places are places that people are looking to connect with. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:34:30BubblemanTo go hit a show, to go bump into old friends.

1:34:34SpeakerTo bring this back to cannabis, I always used to find it remarkable that in the late 80s and early 90s, touring around with the Grateful Dead, that I can go to a Grateful Dead show and freely light up and smoke herb where I can't do that at an Allman Brothers show. I can't do that at a Neil Young show. I can't do that at any other rock and roll show.

1:34:57SpeakerI almost got thrown out of an Eric Clapton show for just taking a small little one-hitter just because the ushers saw the flash of the lighter. So it seemed like as soon as the Grateful Dead came into town, they're like, let those kids smoke their weed. It was epic.

1:35:15BubblemanYeah, Fish has the same sort of situation, at least for all the shows that I went to. But then, so does Vancouver. Because Vancouver as a city, for a very long time, even after the no smoking regulations came in for any smoking, because we don't really allow cigarettes in many places around the city at all.

1:35:36BubblemanPeople just puff at shows. It's like it's Vancouver and it's a reggae show or it's Vancouver and it's like, okay, when Ben Harper would come here and perform Burn One Down, I'm going to burn one down. I swear to fucking God, half the people in the audience lit a joint. In fact, the only place I've ever seen more joints lit than at those Ben Harper concerts, and there were three of them, was at any concert in Jamaica.

1:36:04BubblemanAny concert in Jamaica is the most joints I've ever seen lit. It's not even like for anything special. It's like if Capleton comes out on stage, a thousand joints get lit.

1:36:14SpeakerMark, I wasn't actually at the show, but the first time Phish played at Dick's in Denver or in Commerce City, Colorado after legalization, so this was I guess in 2013. And they covered Peter Tosh's Legalize It. Yeah. I talked to people who said you could have seen that place just light up and there was this huge ascension of this huge cloud on top of dicks that floated over the top of Denver.

1:36:45SpeakerThey said it was just amazing. I actually, I talked to this guy who was high on acid. He was so fucking high that he thought the band was out there throwing joints out into the crowd. Which I think would be a great thing for the band to do in Denver, right?

1:36:58BubblemanOh my god, yeah, that's wonderful. I love that that happened. I mean, come on. You know, being told not to smoke a joint or to enjoy cannabis at a concert, particularly like a reggae concert here in Vancouver, for instance, recently Health Canada, I think, might have been busted or maybe it was the city. They got mad at dispensaries for advertising in the Jazz Fest guide. Can you imagine a genre of music that had more people enjoying cannabis?

1:37:34BubblemanCannabis and jazz are very like kind of peanut butter and jelly.

1:37:41SpeakerWhen you walk out of any of the clubs down on Frenchman Street during Jazz Fest, which is for those of you who've never been down to New Orleans and if you love jazz and if you love the music and the food and culture of New Orleans, you should definitely make an homage down to Jazz Fest. And there's this little area called Frenchman Street and when you walk out on Frenchman Street from any of the clubs out there, you walk into this thick Thank you so much for joining us.

1:38:29BubblemanThere are two other jazz festivals that are definitely... The New Orleans is the top. It's the world's greatest. Now, right below that, though, in Montreux, Switzerland, you have the Montreux Jazz Festival. And you can experience a little bit about what Mark just said. And if you're in Canada, you can go to Montreal and check out the Montreal Jazz Festival, which is absolutely phenomenal. There's so many bands, so much music.

1:38:53SpeakerAlso, you're going to... A lot of cannabis is being consumed up in Montreal. I was amazed, Mark. I couldn't believe, first of all, we didn't bring anything because we were crossing the border. I didn't know how easy it was to get, number one, and my gosh, there's public consumption of cannabis all throughout Montreal. I don't even think during the festival, too, I mean, I think Montreal has a very open cannabis consumption policy, do they, Mark?

1:39:23BubblemanWell, during Jazz Festival, 100%, and during the summer at Tam Tam Sunday, when everyone goes to the park and plays drums, there's a very large gathering that happens. Jazz Festival in Montreal is a 12 to 14 day event. There's an enormous amount of free concerts. Sometimes the free concerts have people in close to excess of 100,000 people. It's amazing. I've seen some of the best shows I've ever seen in my life were at Montreal Jazz Festival because they put together things that are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities like Charlie Hunter playing with John Schofield and Medesky Martin and Wood.

1:40:00BubblemanYou'll see Schofield play with Medesky Martin and Wood, but Charlie Hunter's not going to be there.

1:40:05SpeakerCrazy collaborations, really great venues, the food. And for those of you who are single who need to find a beautiful woman, the women in Montreal are absolutely stunningly beautiful. It just blew me away how beautiful the women are up in Montreal. I was going to say here, also find the Jazz Festival of Vancouver, $5 million for that advertising. That's another big thing that happened here. So they find that Jazz Festival, $5 million for the advertising for those clubs.

1:40:40SpeakerObviously it was Weeds, Glass, and Giss was for the advertising.

1:40:43BubblemanSeems a little steep.

1:40:44SpeakerI know, it's $5 million steep, but that's what they find. Crazy.

1:40:50BubblemanYeah, Jason Cohen saying he's only an hour from Montreal. He had no idea. Man, I'll tell you, every... Well, it's coming up right away, actually. It'll be the last... Montreal Jazz Festival usually starts at the end of June and goes into July. So I haven't even looked at the lineup. It's been too many years since I've been, but nice festivals, those three jazz festivals, that's for sure.

1:41:14Etienne FontanAnd it's always awesome that jazz embraces cannabis and that cannabis embraces jazz.

1:41:26BubblemanStill getting fine, like it's just, are we not? I don't know. I'm having a hard time.

1:41:31Etienne FontanHey, so what's happening up in Canada, gentlemen? What's going on with the new changes, anything? Is it still status quo?

1:41:38BubblemanWell, it's just the change was instantaneous. It was effective immediately, so... Patients, MMAR and MMPR are allowed extracts. That one is big. Seven Supreme Court judges against zero, seven to zero, unanimous. The health minister outraged. Oh well, she's not stoked because I guess the pharmaceutical companies that are paying her wanted cannabis not to be allowed for a while longer for extracts. I don't know the logistics of it, but we're still fighting our, the coalition is still fighting the case and that's going to go for What I would suspect still sometime, even if a decision came either way, I suspect it'll be appealed.

1:42:23BubblemanSo we'll see what happens with that. One problem, Etienne, is that where are people now supposed to get their extracts? Sure, you can make them if you're patient, but that's a lot of work to buy expensive herb from a licensed producer. This is how you'd stay federally legal. Buy your herb from a licensed producer at a $8 to $12 a gram, and then take that herb and turn it into your own extracts.

1:42:47BubblemanSo, Johnny B, you're taking up two spots in the chatteroo.

1:42:52SpeakerYeah, I don't know my whole stock.

1:42:53BubblemanNope, you just dropped.

1:42:55SpeakerThere you go.

1:42:56BubblemanPerfect.

1:42:57SpeakerYou got there, Mark. I was just saying hi to my friend Steven. It's someone else who's from Toronto who's in the cannabis business who's listening and interested in all the Canada talk.

1:43:12SpeakerOkay, right on.

1:43:15BubblemanExcellent, excellent. Well, I hope we, yeah, I guess we're about 15 minutes away from hearing from Tony. I hope that Jen Doe wakes up at one point in time in the day, too. These people are partying on Saturdays. They're having a good time, and Hash Church is early. Nice little molecule there. Oh, that's your little dabber thing? I like that thing. Little trichome dabber? Thought it was a molecule when you held it real close.

1:43:43JeffOkay, so Mark, last drug question before we end it. Because, yeah, I saw a lot of, oh, it's become drug church in the chat. But in things I'll never do, but people ask me the question, and I already kind of know the answer, but I just put it on the never do list. It seems strange that people kept asking me, is limonene compatible with extracting the components in things like mushrooms to make an extract compared to the chemical version of mushroom extract?

1:44:12SpeakerYeah, so actually the compounds that are in mushrooms and most of the psychedelic compounds belong to a class of compounds called alkaloids. And those alkaloids like cocaine and mescaline and LSD all have nitrogen-containing compounds which are very unlike what we find in cannabis. And so typically the extraction procedures for those alkaloids I often involve precipitation of a salt. So like with cocaine, just for example, they precipitate out the hydrochloride salt after taking the coca paste and sort of putting it into some solvent.

1:44:55SpeakerTypically, it's like toluene or gasoline or something like that. They acidify that, and then what happens is the hydrochloride then precipitates out, and they could basically filter it.

1:45:09SpeakerCocaine, crystalline, solid is basically the hydrochloride salt, which then, again, you can freebase by treating with sodium bicarbonate. So the bicarbonate neutralizes the hydrochloric acid and makes sodium chloride, which is salt. And it makes CO2, which is the reason why crack sort of bubbles up because you're giving off that CO2 molecule from the neutralization of the acid with bicarbonate. Just like the acid or the vinegar baking soda volcano that you made when you were a kid.

1:45:47SpeakerSo when you take that acid and you neutralize it with bicarbonate, the bicarbonate makes bicarbonic acid, which then spontaneously gives off CO2. And that's why when you look at a crack, it kind of looks like a Rice Krispie. It kind of like it blows up because The CO2 that's being given off kind of leaves the organic free base behind. So yeah, you could do the same thing with mescaline or any other nitrogen-containing compound is basically you just take the vegetable matter and you could basically precipitate out the hydrochloride salt of some of these alkaloids that have basic nitrogens in them.

1:46:28JeffIs that it? Well, it answers the question. I was thinking, you know, I know we're never legally going to be in a space to look at that therapeutically, but I know that one of the questions... Don't say that. It was a question for Dr. Greenspoon because I remember reading in Orthomolecular Psychology them using a combination of LSD and mescaline and having like a 50% success rate in treating alcoholism.

1:46:55JeffAnd I'm like, well, what if one day I could extract, you know, the lower end mushrooms and salvia with limonene and get a similar product that could be used?

1:47:09SpeakerYeah, I'm not sure that limonene is a good extraction solvent for those compounds. I'm just...

1:47:17JeffI don't know. It's Arrowwood Forums. Every time you type in limonene, it throws you into a DMT forum and a guy named Swim doing something strange. It's not really readable, but people ask me the question now.

1:47:33SpeakerDMT is similar to these compounds. Again, it has a basic nitrogen. What you're doing when you have something with a basic nitrogen by making the hydrochloride salt is you make it insoluble in most solvents. A lot of these compounds, again, are going to have fat solubility just like the cannabinoids, and whether or not you can precipitate out them cleanly to make a highly crystalline purified solid depends on the purity, depends on what other components are present, probably depends on the solvent that you're using for extraction.

1:48:08SpeakerYeah, there's probably a lot of experimentation empirically that needs to be done there to figure out what works.

1:48:14JeffI'll leave it up to you.

1:48:19SpeakerWe'll do cannabinoids first and psychedelics will be phase two.

1:48:25BubblemanSo much more work to be done on the cannabinoid side of things, that's for sure. There's no shortage of focus to be put into that.

1:48:35SpeakerYeah, well, here's a great thing about Hash Church, Mark. I mean, I've been reached out to by a lot of different people and some folks who are thinking about getting into scientific careers based on some of the stuff they're hearing here. And so it's extremely gratifying to me knowing that, you know, people are taking their passion for cannabis to the next level. And getting that education that can help them be contributors to society in the future, it's a great thing.

1:49:06Etienne FontanAnd what would those be, like organic chemistry? What would be ones if somebody sat down, Mark, and said, do I see the future in cannabis? I want to go into science. Where do I go?

1:49:19SpeakerYeah, so I think there's a lot of career paths that you can take. I mean, I would lean towards chemistry myself, but I'm biased in that way. I would think that any degree in plant sciences, in particular agronomy, agronomy is the study of agricultural production or production agriculture, you know, taking agriculture and putting it to human use. That's sort of agronomy. Certainly plant breeding, molecular physiology of plants, Our friend Dan Hayden from the Nectars Collective Group has a Ph.D. in plant molecular physiology, so he understands the mechanisms by which plants assemble molecules.

1:50:10SpeakerMy background, again, as an organic chemist, has been really great to understand the organic chemistry that underpins the production of essential oils in the plant and how to process them and extract them. Having a good solid scientific background so you understand energetics and how things work. I had a very interesting interaction yesterday with a CBD snake oil salesman who was selling a bottle of water with an exceedingly small dose of CBD, 10 parts per million.

1:50:48SpeakerWhich is .0001 weight percent, which you would have to drink damn near a tanker load of that water to get even approaching one CBD dab. It's just ridiculous what people are parading as potential products. And here's this guy selling this bottle of water for $5 and people drinking it like it's the It's the fountain of youth. It's all bullshit. And the guy didn't know I was a chemist, right?

1:51:18SpeakerSo I just walked up to him and started asking him about his product. And he starts talking to me. And he started actually getting a little nasty with me at some point. And I basically told him that you're selling water and that the level of CBD in your water is not an effective dose. And a lot of people who were around me hearing this started questioning the guy around the same thing.

1:51:41SpeakerAnd then I just handed him my business card which says, you know, Mark Sheldon, PhD, and I said, let me know if you have any chemistry questions, and walked away, and so did half the other people who were standing around that table. So yeah, there's a lot of bullshit out there, man, and we need people who have good scientific backgrounds to get into this industry, so I'm not the only people calling these guys out on this shit.

1:52:04BubblemanSo you're calling out the snake oil salesman. I like that. And welcome.

1:52:09SpeakerHe's like, you know, this is nanotechnology and you don't understand this and you need a PhD to understand this. And he didn't know who he was talking to, you know. And I just kind of, I played his game. I acted dumb, which isn't easy for me to do. But, you know, I acted, you know, like just a typical face in the crowd and I think when I handed him my business card and he saw that I was a smart dude, he realized that he had been snookered.

1:52:37BubblemanHe pulled a Rick Santorum. Yeah. It's great.

1:52:44SpeakerI love it, man.

1:52:45BubblemanFor those of you that don't know about Rick Santorum, he's the guy that told Pope Francis to leave science to the scientists. And I guess he didn't realize that the Pope had, what does he have, a master's degree or a PhD or something? Yeah.

1:53:00BubblemanIn sciences, I thought that was pretty funny. Apparently, the Pope is a scientist. Anyway, welcome, Todd. How's it going, dude?

1:53:10ToddGood morning, everybody. It's going really good, and, you know, I think what Mark's saying is totally true. It's so sad to feel like I don't believe in a lot of the products that are being presented by a lot of the people, but I honestly don't believe in a lot of the products being presented by a lot of the people because I think there is such a rush to people make money And there's like, you know, the ethics bar is going lower and lower as more and more people are getting into this and trying to hustle some sort of cannabinoid product to other people.

1:53:40Etienne FontanWell, they're trying to establish, I think, a name for themselves in an era where there is no name. So they're trying to hopefully put their name in that void by selling their snake oil and we have to call them on their shit. That's reality.

1:53:56ToddWell, you know, I was in Europe You know, with the drunkards talking to them about what I thought about a lot of the CBD medicines coming out on the market, and this was pre the FDA doing the test, and finding that half of the products they tested did not even have cannabinoids in their product, which is just... It makes it harder on us that are trying to teach people that cannabinoids are good medicine when there's people out there saying, hey, I got medicine, and there's no cannabinoids in it.

1:54:22ToddSo if somebody uses it and then doesn't get the effect that all of us are talking about, all the wonders of cannabis, then they think cannabis is what the problem is. And when reality is it's just some guy hustling something, in this case water, you know, in other cases, you know, hemp oil that has nothing to do with hemp seeds and has really little to do with cannabinoid medicine.

1:54:44ToddAnd I think buyer beware is what's really going on right now in this industry to be really, really honest. I mean, even when it comes to stuff that's tested because the testing in some instances I would say isn't all that, not that much standard in the testing industry right now, you know.

1:55:02BubblemanYeah, well, I think there's a big flag that's raised for me, Todd, when people come to me, even I've had friends approach me and say, you know, they're looking to get into this hemp CBD thing. And it's like, why? It's like, well, THC isn't legal. It's like, yeah, but it's the thing we've been fighting for forever, so it's not like we're just going to be like, Stop now.

1:55:23BubblemanLike, let's just keep pushing right till we're allowed all of the cannabinoids, in particular THC, the one they seemingly are so strict to not want to have. Why do you think that is? Because there's a very important factor of its synergy and how it interacts with the rest of the profile, obviously.

1:55:40ToddRight. That's definitely true. I think there are even more and more. I mean, we're starting to realize that the other cannabinoids, not just THC, are just as important. And I mean, we're starting to see, you know, studies from epileptic children that are using medicines that are cannabinoid-based that have very little to no THC in it. And they're getting medical benefits. So it's starting to make me think that, you know, yeah, I think we pointed at THC for a long time, like it was the, you know, as we've heard others say, like the rock star in the cannabinoid community.

1:56:10ToddBut I don't think it really is, to be honest. I mean... You know, when it made its solo debut in the 80s, it really crashed its solo album when you think of Marinol and you think of the fact that no one ever created the generic equivalent of Marinol because there was really no market for single Marinol or single THC molecule drugs. And I think we're heading into the same thing now as people try to separate, separate, separate.

1:56:36ToddIt's not as interesting. I mean, you know, it's... You know, when someone steps to you and they got 90% THC, you know, as Kenny said, where'd the rest of it go? I think that's really where we're at now because unless you can capture the rest of the cannabinoids and the other terpenes, you don't really have a great example of the cannabis that you extracted from. You've got a snapshot of one of the chemicals that you grabbed a lot of.

1:57:01BubblemanI think it's interesting, though, for information and for knowledge, you know, to pull them all apart that way and to have everything available to you in the quiver for whatever it is that you need to access. I like having the pool be very large where it's like, yeah, you can have... You know, the Skunk Man Sams and the Ks and even the Todds and the Bubble Mans.

1:57:22BubblemanWe really appreciate that full spectrum pure plant profile. But at the same time, it's probably not a coincidence that Prohibition put THC on the pedestal as the rock star while literally, well, okay, go ahead.

1:57:39ToddI was going to say, Tim, when we prohibited cannabis, we didn't even know what THC was. We didn't know until 63. We prohibited it in 37. We were talking about something called the Adams 9 compound. It was very much misunderstood by science up until we got the discovery of THC in the 60s. And even then, when we kind of discovered which of the molecules were psychoactive, it didn't really clue us in on how it worked because we didn't know what the endocannabinoid system was for decades later.

1:58:05BubblemanSo technically when they outlawed this plant, they had no clue as to what... Yeah, not when they outlawed it, just when the majority of like, you know, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the majority of like the information age, when more information was being passed in a day than in the previous 10 years.

1:58:24ToddYou know, there's a really interesting segment...

1:58:27SpeakerI was going to say, they had every idea what this plant was doing back in their movie. It's like 1960 and stuff like that. Maybe exactly what they've been doing, trying to irradiate this plant and trying to make it illegal. Not 100 year wide, they've been pushing opiates on us for the last 100 years and they've

1:58:50ToddIt's just... You know, John, there's a really interesting passage in Sasha Shulgin's book, Alexander Shulgin's book, Pakal, which stands for Fennel Heflin Mines I Have Known and Loved, and he has an... Chapter in it called The Blackwood Arsenal, back when Sasha worked for Dole. And what he talks about is these, you know, basically government men showing up with a classified compound on, and they wanted to add nitrogen to the compound.

1:59:18ToddAnd he was this fan of the Adams 9 compound, and he thought it was funky that, you know, with some lichens and a little bit of chemicals, you could actually... Take some flecks off of a rock when you went camping and with some orange peels and a simple other chemical you could create this similar compound to what we thought was Adam's 9 compound which was psychoactive. When they put the classified compound on the wall, they basically put up the ADAMS9 compound because it was pre-THC.

1:59:48ToddAnd what he talks about is that when they wanted to add this nitrogen to it, it would make it effectively 500 times stronger because all the other psychoactives in the community, I should say, of psychoactive plants usually have a nitrogen molecule attached to their psychoactive compound. Cannabis does not. And it would make it, he said, 500 times stronger. But in a sense, he also asked, he wondered what the government's intention was in trying to do this.

2:00:13ToddBecause here you were all the way back into after Prohibition into the 40s and 50s where the government was doing very classified research into cannabis. As a truth serum, as a whole bunch of things. And what got Todd McCoria, the doctor that has since passed away, really into this was when he was working for the government, he realized a lot of the information on marijuana was actually classified.

2:00:36ToddAnd he thought that that was an ethical dilemma for him. And when he realized it was an ethical dilemma, that's when he actually left the government, broke up, put together the compendium on the Indian Hemp Drugs Report and tried to put together all this information we discuss as commonplace now because he felt like they were banning this from libraries and they were banning this from doctors and others being able to learn it, which is pretty deep shit.

2:01:01NickAbsolutely.

2:01:03BubblemanYeah, I was going to say as well when we were talking about all the different cannabinoids, I'm sure that prohibition at least how the modality of prohibition, you know, whether it's an energy or whether it was an agenda, we the people under that regime grew cannabis a specific way. In specific variables that probably got rid of quite a few cannabinoids that would maybe be present in strains that are no longer present in strains because we really like simplified the profile almost for this prohibition-based model, particularly because so many things got weaned out over the years.

2:01:44SpeakerI can't hear you. You know where I am, and you know I'm getting ready to leave here pretty soon, and you know I'm sitting here, and I was just hoping to ask something, but...

2:01:52BubblemanWhat's that? Sorry? I lost my train of thought there. I'm not sure what was going on.

2:02:01ToddI think John's mic wasn't muted and he was trying to communicate with someone at his house. Sorry. Oh, no worries.

2:02:08JeffAll right, well. I guess the only thing I wanted to say on the snake oil subject is it seems to be the new way to break the people's spirit towards cannabis where the old way was the prohibition model where, like you said, it broke us to almost... Breed the medicine out of the medicine and now we're going backwards. So now I see it's like you got these people, they have genuine inspiration and there's a whole subclass of people out to destroy it by giving cannabis a bad representation whether it's through their extraction or through their all the different ways snake holes can take its shape.

2:02:43JeffIt just has to take its shape in twisted medicine with a bad, you know, Thank you for joining us.

2:03:18Etienne FontanWe in the cannabis community have equated THC with a high number of alcohol, like a high ratio number of alcohol, like a 151 or a 190 Everclear. And what we started to see immediately after the testing of cannabis is people racing for the top number. It was all about the high number. And so now you saw people racing for the high THC number in the absence of any type of science or logic, just looking, in my opinion, to the alcohol model as, okay, well then let's go straight to 190.

2:04:02Etienne FontanAnd so everybody's been constantly trying to get there in the absence of regulation, in the absence of science. Again, due to the absence of science, we only believed in THC, so... When we started putting out numbers to people, we started to see reactions because what we were getting in different ratios of plants that we didn't understand from growers, people started rejecting cannabis that we'd been getting perfectly for years at a certain price range, started rejecting these cannabis because it didn't meet these high numbers.

2:04:39Etienne FontanAnd because it didn't meet these high numbers, they were rejected outright as it doesn't meet the standards. Whereas in the past it had been fine through all the organoleptic testing that we had done, but now due to having testing, I think it has pushed people to always go for that higher level. And THC has been the only thing. Remember, we only found CBD seven years ago that we're starting to play with it science-wise, and only in the last couple of years have we actually had it actually get to laboratories.

2:05:14Etienne FontanSo, Mark, would you agree with me on the kind of causation of the alcohol prohibition and the effect that alcohol, such as it's on the market, has in a causation to what we see in this race toward the high THC?

2:05:34Etienne FontanMe, Mark, or him, Mark? You, Mark. Scaldone, sorry.

2:05:39SpeakerOkay. Yeah, I mean, First of all, I'll share that analogy that we talked about last night. Vineyards don't sell grapes. Although they rely on grapes, they sell wine. The genetics of the grape influences the wine. I think what we're seeing now, playing back to the earlier conversation, is the commoditization that's happening in Colorado. When I was out there earlier in the week, I was hearing Thank you for joining us.

2:06:27SpeakerI'm seeing entire grows in Colorado that are now being converted to oil. They're oiling the entire room because the value is just exceedingly higher with the refined product. Again, think about the analogy that vineyards sell wine, not grapes. They rely on the grapes, and they rely on the grapes' genetics, but the grapes go so far, just like the genetics of the plant, it's where the human interaction comes in in making the oil.

2:06:56SpeakerAnd so there's different extractors, there's different extraction techniques, different ways of getting those cannabinoids off the plant that can provide different flavors and different highs and different perhaps therapeutic benefit as well. But just to speak to the prohibition model for a second, remember that, you know, again, one of the difficulties with cannabis is that You can't patent something that's obvious, right? I mean, you could file for a patent, whether you're going to get an issued patent.

2:07:34SpeakerAnd so I think the pharmaceutical model, again, of taking something through a clinical trial is not going to be played out in cannabis because those clinical trials to get the data to look at different formulations of cannabis and how effective it is against different illnesses and medical conditions We've got a lot of people that are interested in cannabis. We've got a lot of people that are interested in cannabis.

2:08:05SpeakerWe've got a lot of people that are interested

2:08:19SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:08:38SpeakerIt takes that knowledge and goes to their gardener or their dispensary or their grower to say, look, the data says this. I have an epileptic child. I would like a ratio or a tincture or an oil or an edible product based on those results. And so I'm not sure if that was...

2:08:55ToddI like to pick up what you're saying in a way because there's never been a time where a medicine was so available to the common person, where somebody, a big company could come out and say, we have an epileptic medicine, and then grandma could go, oh, I can grow something similar.

2:09:10BubblemanWell, that's the bottom line here, guys, and it's why cannabis should not be in the same vein of all these other like pharmaceutical drugs that have to go through all this efficacy and safety and everything. Cannabis has been used for millennia, and we already know it's safe.

2:09:25ToddDr. We've got to come back to demanding it be grandfathered in, just like Macaria used to say, who's really one of the original doctors, because Macaria came out even before my beloved friend Lester Grinspoon. Dr. Todd Macaria was on this trip in the mid-60s and was ostracized for it. He got picked on so bad for his stance on marijuana, it's not funny, but realiztically, I think he was right that this is something that we have to look at historically and in a historical perspective and with the safety margins that it has and really demand a different treatment of it.

2:10:01ToddWhen Joycelyn Elders in the 90s was saying this should be treated like any other drug, she was really feeding us a line of shit because really it should We shouldn't be treated like any other drug because it wasn't some drug that came up a couple of decades ago by some chemist. This is stuff that's been on this planet for so long that we've developed a synergistic relationship with its chemicals that benefits us as humans.

2:10:22ToddThis is a codependent evolutionary relationship that we have with cannabis, and we have to acknowledge it as such.

2:10:29SpeakerDr. 100%. Dr. You're absolutely right. 100% right. Dr. Great.

2:10:37SpeakerGo out and say that whenever human suffering or any medical condition can be alleviated with an herb that is naturally part of our environment, it should not only be allowed, it should actually be encouraged. And the government has no right whatsoever to deny something that naturally occurs in our biome To take this away from people. So, again, it can't be looked at as a drug. Cannabis isn't a drug.

2:11:11SpeakerCannabis is an herb. It's an oil-bearing herb just like basil, just like mints. I mean, these are part of our natural environment. And there is no play for large pharmaceutical companies in this because it's an herb. It's not a drug. I don't have a problem with my drug company. Drugs are made by drug companies, paid for by drug insurances, bought at drug stores. A drug is a synthetic thing that bypasses the endocannabinoid system and it makes billions of dollars for several industries who do not want to see cannabis coming to light.

2:11:51ToddBut I want to say this. Why not? I wouldn't be afraid of the word drug. We shouldn't play semantics to make ourselves feel comfortable. Reality is aspirin is derived from the tree bark of the willow tree. And realiztically, yes, drugs aren't necessarily bad. They can help us.

2:12:10SpeakerYeah, that's not necessarily true. Wait a second, Todd. So salicylic acid, it's true, is derived from the willow tree bark. And in the body, Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:12:47SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

2:13:16SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:13:38ToddRight, but what started off as an herbal remedy, because it came to a place that we synthesized, and first it was a herbal remedy, to be truthful. Right, so it's like Marinol. Marinol would be an example. Marinol is a fake version of cannabis in that sense.

2:13:56BubblemanRight. People aren't stoked on it.

2:14:01ToddNo, it has no street value. It was descheduled in 1999. It was the first molecule on the CSA to be descheduled, actually. And, you know, but this is when we get into this conversation about safety and effectivity and stuff. I just don't think we should be afraid of saying that cannabis has drug-like effects. You know, Rob was catching shit for saying narrow-leaf drug varieties, and people were saying, oh, don't call it a drug, you know, and it's like, well...

2:14:29ToddYeah, but you're looking for this narcotic type effect. You're looking for a high, you're looking for a low, you're looking for pain relief, you're looking for a mimic. So what do you want to call it? You know, narrow leaf herb variety? I mean, I think that it's not a bad thing to use the term drug or hemp depending on your desired use, if that makes sense.

2:14:50JeffWell, I mean, is it the terpenes that would make it the drug if... Thank you for joining us.

2:15:20JeffYou know, trying to influence the result. That's how it becomes a drug versus the natural product. It's when someone adds pesticides that weed goes out of being an organic medicine and goes back to being a drug.

2:15:32ToddWell, look, I say it like this. You know, as a kid who had cancer, I mean, if I was born in 1870 instead of 1970, I'd be fucking dead by 1872 if it wasn't for Western medicine and drugs, you know. I mean, in some respects, I say that don't be afraid of the science and the... I'm not afraid of quote drugs. I just think that cannabis, and nor do I have to compare apples to oranges in a sense respectively.

2:15:59ToddCannabis is cannabis. I mean the cannabis, the chemicals that come out of cannabis, the safety, it's really hard to just say, oh, it's drug-like. The reality is that it kind of is. When I have neck pain from my spinal fusion, I could take something that is a drug or I can take cannabis and have a similar effect, which is pain relief. You know, I don't have a problem with that.

2:16:24ToddI think I see the benefits of drugs and just because there was a drug war doesn't mean I'm mad at the drug store down the street from my house. You know, I'm not going to go wage war on the pharmaceutical store because truthfully it's helped me at times in my life. And, you know, I don't have to throw rocks at that. It's just it's shining a light on the safety and effectivity of cannabis.

2:16:44ToddI think what it's all about and comparing it to things that are opiate based or other medicines that are trying to mimic the things either anti-nausea, anti-epileptic, appetite stimulation, pain reduction, sleep, depression. There's an arsenal of drugs that are trying to mimic the benefits of cannabis. I meet so many people that don't take those drugs because they deal with their depression by smoking a joint when their kid goes to sleep, or they deal with their life or their lack of appetite by smoking a joint before they try to eat.

2:17:16ToddThey self-medicate, and they've been doing it. I think that's what we're all realizing now is that we're self-medicating. Twenty years ago, when I was a medical marijuana activist, I actually got shunned by groups like Thank you for watching.

2:17:44ToddThank you for watching.

2:18:17BubblemanOh my gosh. Yeah, well, you're right. I agree on pretty much every single thing you said there. It is what it is. You know? It is what it is. You have a different perspective and I appreciate that because it's true. I said it, I was talking to a woman the other day who's a, she was, she's from the Netherlands but she worked in the pharmaceutical industry. So she knew, she understood what they had to do and she kind of believed in all of that but at the same time she was open to listening to all of what I was telling her about the endocannabinoid system and the ability for You know, the ability by making it so you couldn't grow this one plant, they created a huge industry of drugs that were sort of replacement versions of the signalers of whatever particular biological function That you had problems with at that time.

2:19:12BubblemanI don't know what percentage of drugs that is. I guessed, and maybe I guessed high. You guys maybe have a better version, particularly your perspective, Todd. What percentage do you guys think of pharmaceutical drugs are really just shady halfway replacements with bad side effects for phytocannabinoid and healthier diet?

2:19:36Etienne FontanWell, hold on. The big problem here is that we're dealing with pharmaceutically We're dealing with the single cell convention treaty. And so nothing by the FDA and by the U.S. is anything that is approved except recently, unless it's a combination of two drugs, it's a single cell compound. And that's the big problem with cannabis.

2:19:56ToddIt does not have a single molecule. And it's a protocol. It's not a treat.

2:20:03Etienne FontanSo it's single. So that's all they approve. We're dealing with cannabis which has so many compounds and that works symbiotically. They already tried it. They tried it with Marinol. That's what we're talking about. It failed. I had a Marinol script. It sucks compared to cannabis in any way, shape, or form. So the system itself from the get-go is flawed because you can't get symbiotic relationships, Mark. You can't get any of that.

2:20:32Etienne FontanOr understanding of what these different compounds do or can do, because we've already shot the game out from the get-go, it has to be single cell. And so as much as we want to say the efficacy of cannabis coming into the United States, it's still got to get past that hurdle, and that's a big hurdle.

2:20:54BubblemanSativex is trying to... Well, because it's racing in the wrong race. They've got it in the wrong race. So it's, you know...

2:21:04Etienne FontanThat's really the problem. But their starting point for what your question is can't even be answered because we've already crippled it from the get-go unless Health Canada is doing something different than what the American health system is doing.

2:21:20BubblemanWell, I just mean what you think personally. How many of the pharmaceutical drugs that are available today to all the people that you know You know, even from a place like the patients group, the Berkeley's patient group, how many people come in and take cannabis or extracts or derivatives instead of pharmaceutical drugs? And how long is that list? Is it 50% of the drugs that are available?

2:21:42BubblemanIs it 25? Is it 80? What's that number? I think it might be high.

2:21:48ToddI think it's massive myself. I think that a lot of people are replacing common drugs with cannabis and finding more and more that they can. I mean, I honestly had a flat up experience with my pediatrician when I was a little kid because I got a motorcycle when I was all but 12. I got my second motorcycle when I was 12. And I was wearing a helmet and my neck was hurting because my first five vertebraes had fused.

2:22:09ToddAnd I was joking with my doctor, kind of, we had a good relationship, but when I asked him for something for my neck, he said, no, you've got to learn how to deal with it. And I said, why? And he said, because anything I give you is just going to become physically or psychologically addictive over time and your pain is not going to go away, your neck's fused.

2:22:27ToddAnd I was like, well, what am I going to do about it? And he joked and said, smoke some of your mom's pot. It's not your worst option. Because I had already been using cannabis for chemo and radiational therapy, like helping me buffer that. And when he said that to me, I thought he was just being ridiculous. But when I started doing it, I mean, honestly, I think his advice saved my life.

2:22:49ToddBecause if I had imagined being 12, 13, strung out on opiates because my spine was fused, I mean, they would have done it to me. It's simple if he wasn't clearly forward thinking and I know he was joking when he said that and I actually should try to contact him to this day and see what he thinks but the truth is that I think it saved my life because it took me away from all these pharmaceutical drugs.

2:23:13ToddI mean I don't even really take aspirin a day. I take Advil if I have a splitting headache and that's it and that happens maybe once a year and other than that it's cannabis and I know that sounds crazy but I think it's the best thing long term that I've done for myself because it doesn't have all the side effects of all the drugs. I remember the day I woke up and realized how important that word practicing was before medicine because I really think that they are practicing medicine.

2:23:43ToddYou don't bring your car to a practicing mechanic, some 16-year-old kid with a Craftsman tool set. You bring it to a master mechanic, but when your body breaks, Thank you for watching.

2:24:07ToddThat's the small print. That's all the little side effects, and that's what you've got to live with if it doesn't happen to work out. I mean, think of all the people they're handing SSRIs to for mild depression when we have weed. I mean, sometimes in your life you're supposed to be bummed out. It's absolutely natural, and people don't let themselves be bummed out because they take some drugs to buffer themselves from it, but then they never end up feeling good either.

2:24:33ToddSo, you know, this is why I think cannabis is so beneficial to so many because after decades of being literally saturated with synthetic solutions, people are starting to go, you know what, I think I'll just have a joint or an edible or a little bit of hash and I think I'm going to be okay.

2:24:48BubblemanRight, but at the same time, it's not to say that if you're in a car accident and both your arms are ripped off, you might have an appreciation for the drugs that will be available for you at the hospital.

2:25:01ToddYeah, and I say, you know, listen, I have a friend in Europe who's going through cancer and he doesn't want to go through chemo or radiational therapy. And it's really hard for me because I feel like if, you know, I'd be dead right now if it wasn't for those things. And, you know, and it wasn't fun to go through them as a child. But seriously, you know, being dead is not as much fun as being alive.

2:25:23ToddAnd I don't, you know... Science is where it's at, and we should respect it. I mean, in some applications, it's very appropriate to take some of these other drugs or some of these other medicines. I don't know. I don't think we should be afraid of it. You know, all the tools in our box, so to speak. It's just that now with cannabis, I think we've got to fight for equal rights.

2:25:42ToddWe've got to fight for human rights, and we've got to fight, you know, to actually grandfather it in because we should not accept the way they are trying to qualify this under their strict regimens because all it's doing is buying them time. And when I say them, it's all those huge companies that are lobbying our government to erode our civil rights because instead of backing our rights up, They're helping taking them down, which is really what we should see this as, a human rights, civil rights issue, and we should fight on that level at this point, not just the sake of marijuana, but saying, come on, get real.

2:26:18ToddNow that we can see what the effects are of things like alcohol and synthetic drugs and cannabis, we've got to start being realiztic about this. That's at least what I think.

2:26:31BubblemanFor sure, brother.

2:26:36BubblemanWell, a bunch of people in chat, chatting it up. We've got about 636 viewers. Probably going to hear from Mr. TV. Tony Verzura is going to be coming in if he can make it in with the Wi-Fi. Jendo doesn't look like her Wi-Fi is going to work, but we've got lots of hash here left, and we've got all sorts of different topics to discuss. I definitely think, yeah, the whole way it's happening, you know, it's...

2:27:02BubblemanI feel the exact same way. In a perfect world, it would just be available to anyone. If companies want to do it, let them do it. If people want to grow it themselves, let them grow it themselves. Make it available on as many different platforms as possible, but not in any way that's controlling people from not being able to do something they want to do with it.

2:27:25BubblemanIt really has to be opened. I think that... Just like any economy, that the companies that want to go big and do that, well, they're going to have to shine. Otherwise, people are going to just do the home-brewed method more often than not. I have to say, as a hash smoker, though, even myself, with the variety that I have, I love the idea of just being able to acquire...

2:27:51BubblemanMany different varieties of full melt dry sifts and wet washes and rosins and terp sifts and terp rosins and all of the varieties. I love the idea of people being able to get a quiver of that just by simply going and buying it, not having to grow 20 different strains and In different conditions and variables and this, that, and the other thing, and eventually one day when it opens up, I look forward to the way it was back in the day when people were enjoying different profiles from different locations in the world, like the Lebanese, and the Moroccan, and the Afghani, and the Indian, and the Nepali, and all these different areas have unique sun profiles, and I'm sure that we'll see one day when we can I love the idea of being able to get resins from around the world, from Australia, from India, from Parvati Valley, like some amazing strain grown up there and just processed to perfection.

2:28:54BubblemanIt used to be that you had to travel to do such a thing, but wouldn't that be an amazing thing if you could just order that shit right to your house?

2:29:04ToddGlobal Village, we're getting to that point, I think. I mean, you know, and as we share this understanding of what's happening all over the place, I think people will be demanding, you know, advances that are happening all over the place in their own hometown. It's the best, you know, outcome of us sharing all this information, I think, realiztically, is, you know, people demanding their equal rights in Iowa as like we have in California or Colorado.

2:29:28ToddObviously, California has a long way to go, but so does Colorado, in all honesty.

2:29:35SpeakerI wanted to mention something about Marinol for a second just to educate everybody out there. So organic compounds, the structures of the molecules themselves are three-dimensional structures. And there's certain asymmetry to these three-dimensional structures such that you can have a left-handed and a right-handed version of the molecules. So notice that your right and your left hand are mirror images of one another, so they're exactly the same, but they're what are called non-superimposable mirror images.

2:30:13SpeakerSo you have a right hand and you have a left hand, and while there's symmetry in that there's a plane of symmetry that reflects one hand into the other, they're not the same, they're not the same, like if the left hand grabs the receptor, the right hand is not able to grab the receptor in exactly the same Thank you so much for joining us.

2:31:00SpeakerAs it turns out, thalidomide inhibits a process called angiogenesis, which is the formation of new blood vessels. And during the development of the embryo, if you inhibit the formation of new blood vessels, you basically get the deformities that were found when these moms took thalidomide, which, again, was the one in antimer, the one-handed Thank you for watching.

2:31:52SpeakerThe plant, because the plant has its own biological mechanisms and ways that it makes the cannabinoids, only makes the right-hand copy. It doesn't make a mixture of both right and left. But when the synthetic chemist does it, he makes the mixture of right and left, and it's exceedingly difficult to separate out the left from the right. So Marinol just says, well, we'll just put the left and the right in there, knowing that 50% of that drug is completely inactive.

2:32:21SpeakerSo, I mean, this is, again, one of the reasons why, you know, cannabis has to be looked at as an herbal supplement because Mother Nature does all the heavy lifting in making those cannabinoids just the way human beings need them, not the way a pharmaceutical company would make them synthetically from non-phyto sources. So, you know, there's a whole lot to, again, the ensemble effect. Todd, I hit it right, right?

2:32:49SpeakerNo entourage. So the ensemble effect, which again, Mark, we a couple weeks ago posted something on the Facebook for Hash Church that showed a bunch of different articles that showed the influence that the ensemble effects has to attenuate the activity of cannabinoids in the human body. So I mean, you could look at just, if you wanted to look at one of those five papers, I would highly recommend reading Ethan Russo's article, which again, Taming the Entourage Effect.

2:33:26SpeakerLet's get beyond the entourage thing. But if you read Ethan's article called Taming the Entourage Effect, you'll see that there's several studies now that show that the terpenes that are in combination with the cannabinoids really do show A not only increase in efficacy, but a longer period of what's called pharmacokinetics. So the way that the molecules are interacting with our body, it lasts a lot longer, again, because of the ensemble effect.

2:34:01SpeakerAnd this is something that, again, is kind of against where the pharmaceutical industry lies, which is one active ingredient in a proprietary formulation that we have patented and It's not an herbal remedy. It's something that we've made synthetically. And that is just, again, against where we now know the endocannabinoid system, which regulates homeostasis in the body. What you're doing with a drug, a synthetic drug, whether it's backing up cholesterol biosynthesis in the liver or controlling gout or controlling pain or any other medical condition, Thank you for joining us.

2:34:56SpeakerOur society has been brainwashed to think that there's an orally active medicine to alleviate any symptom. Oh, your kid's acting up? Oh, he's got ADHD? Here, give him some Ritalin, and let's start him on a regimen of amphetamine so he becomes a meth head later on in life, right? So what you're doing when you take a drug and you take an orally active drug is it goes into your body, and depending on how our body chemistry interacts with that drug, It usually tears those molecules up.

2:35:42SpeakerSo an orally active CBD medication where the CBD goes into the stomach is not a CBD medication at all. I would highly recommend if someone needs CBD treatment to do it sublingually so you're bypassing digestion in the gut because the gut tears up these molecules. You have a vat of two normal hydrochloric acid in your stomach and in a highly oxidizing environment in your liver that is going to tear up most cannabinoids and also most pharmaceuticals.

2:36:10SpeakerSo a lot of the drugs that are approved today aren't necessarily drugs that cure those diseases. They're just drugs that have manageable side effect profiles. And just to end with this one story, everyone knows about that little blue pill called Viagra. Again, that came out of an effort to look at heart medications inhibiting an enzyme called angiotensin II converting enzyme, which is very important. We've got a couple of questions here.

2:36:40SpeakerWe've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here. We've got a couple of questions here.

2:37:08SpeakerIt's just a joke. What? It's just a joke.

2:37:11ToddJohnny B... What we're trying to describe is called the one pass, the first pass effect. And THC goes through the same thing when it actually hits the liver as well. Which ironically is more psychoactive than THC. So when people eat edible, often they get way more high than they expected because of that effect of the drug converting.

2:37:35SpeakerWhat's happening there, Todd, is that as it gets metabolized in our GI tract, it becomes so polar that it does not cross the blood-brain barrier, so you don't get the psychological effect, but what you've done is you've basically now created a high systemic concentration of cannabinoids in your blood that's not getting through the blood-brain barrier, but is titrating every other cannabinoid receptor in your body, and yeah, that's the guy who ate the brownie Who had to take off the next day at work because he was still high.

2:38:06SpeakerThe body high that you get.

2:38:09BubblemanI always call it the 11 hydroxy metabolite high, but... That is... That's chemically right on, Bubble Man.

2:38:18SpeakerThat is correct. Wake up in the morning and I'm still groggy for the next 24 hours.

2:38:27JeffYou got to hit a haze, one of those Viagra strains with the... Hi, I mean, you've got to get your blood going, so what are you smoking on? I mean, I have had strains that have, you know, miraculously activated, you know, blood vessels where they weren't supposed to when I didn't want it. So, I mean, I think you should find that strain and not have the side effects of Viagra.

2:38:50ToddI think that was purely psychological.

2:38:53JeffI think I've read, you know, it was one of those things where you read the trip report and then you start having the trip report and then you don't know anymore. It was in the early days, so I don't know, but there was definitely a couple of strains that would give abnormal hard-ons.

2:39:07Etienne FontanWell, there's a woman, somebody in Colorado selling a strain called Sex Pot, which is, I guess, some hash-laced bud and selling it to other women that it enhances their sex. So, I mean... Is that a reality that is not far from true?

2:39:26JeffNo, I was smoking MK Ultra. I think it was utter bullshit that the internet installed in my body and I produced the result, but...

2:39:38ToddI think pot's been an aphrodisiac for a long time, though, really. It definitely relaxes people, lowers inhibitions.

2:39:48SpeakerJust pot in general, thanks, Todd. I was like, can't figure this straight. I'm like, Don't they all work that way? Yeah, I would go with pot. Yeah, I'm going to go with pot.

2:39:58ToddIt's probably just all of it, really. I mean, isn't all pot good pot when you don't have any other pot, right? The best strain is the strain you've got.

2:40:08JeffI'd say it's an aphrodisiac when you're a cool guy. Pot seems to also produce a lot of sausage fest, so I guess it's not relaxing certain social aspects in some jocks.

2:40:20ToddNo, wait a minute. You're saying mostly guys are at a high times event? Hold on, let me write that down.

2:40:27JeffI'm just saying, the thing is, I know that relaxation that might produce a rerouting of blood, that cool people turn pot into an aphrodisiac. Other guys just turn it into a circle jerk, it seems.

2:40:39ToddWell, not that I'm married, but no wonder your wife's so comfortable with sending you off to cannabis events, because she knows you're not going to find another girl at any of them.

2:40:53BubblemanOh, fuck, eh? It's the World Cup Sausage Party, live from Negril, Jamaica. That'll go over well. Probably not.

2:41:05SpeakerOh, my God.

2:41:06ToddThat will be a horrible experience. That will be funny as shit, though.

2:41:10SpeakerWe'll have it.

2:41:11BubblemanWorst flyer ever. Lots of women will be there, I can attest. There will be women.

2:41:18SpeakerOh, there's lots of women at the cup. I tell you, if you need to find yourself a scantily clad woman who loves to dab, go to a cannabis cup and you will scoop a few up.

2:41:29JeffWell, you can't find a wife, but you can find a ratchet at a cup usually.

2:41:34BubblemanOh, and isn't there a song, you can't make a ratchet a housewife or something?

2:41:42ToddNow, now, guys, be nice.

2:41:44SpeakerI know, but these ratchets aren't very good as a tool, that's for sure. But not enough.

2:41:51BubblemanHey, welcome, Fletch.

2:41:54SpeakerYeah, my microphone was messed up.

2:41:55BubblemanI know, I saw your lips moving, but I couldn't hear anything coming out.

2:42:00SpeakerYeah, that's better. You know, and back to what Mark was saying about entourage effect and also what Jeff was saying about, you know, losing some of the varieties earlier. I mean, that, to me, is, you know, one of the big things and things like Hash Church and, you know, the modern acceptance of cannabis is bringing a lot of people out. I mean, just yesterday I had lunch with the guy that gave Jeff the Albert Walker up here and, you know, everybody that smoked the Albert Walker...

2:42:28SpeakerOver the last 10 or 15 years has always commented on the extremely unique protein and cannabinoid profile that it's like it has a very unique high. It's a very unique plant unlike Kush, Diesel, unlike pretty much everything I've ever grown. Closest thing I've seen is the skunk. It's probably closest to a skunk, right? I have no idea what it is, but the situation with it is preserving those type of heritage genetics and the possible things that we can learn from the tons of cannabinoids and terpenes that are in it that we've only studied a fraction of currently is extremely important, I think, and not losing those things to time and history and economics of cannabis.

2:43:24BubblemanWelcome, Tony and Jibs just came into the house. Got the internet working there.

2:43:33BubblemanWant me to unmute you, Tony? Is that what I need to do? Let's see where's mute mic and mic and mic. There we go. Point. Stop, Tony. Oh, I see. I see what's happening. He's putting on headphones. He's going for the headphones, but he's taking his time because Hash just came into the scene, so he's like, wait a second.

2:43:55JeffThey're playing that hip-hop, that California love I heard.

2:43:59BubblemanCalifornia.

2:44:02SpeakerAwesome. Hey, I wanted to take a second and let everybody know a little update about what's going on here in Washington. You know, in about a month here, we're going to lose all processing. It's just going to be flowers for the medical side. And, uh, So I just came across this this morning. Sensible Washington, who is Doug Hyatt, which is one of the lawyers, posted this right here.

2:44:30SpeakerAnd they've set up a GoFundMe. It's a GoFundMe Save Medical Washington, or WA, Save Medical Wah. And so basically there's three lawyers here in town, Jeffrey Steinborn, Doug Hyatt, and Aaron Pelley. They're all really good criminal defense attorneys. And they are bringing an injunction, actually three injunctions I believe. Thanks for watching.

2:45:18SpeakerI feel like the injunction is the last chance that we have to save medical for the next year. And I don't think it's going to save medical forever. But I think, you know, if we want to have it not be such an abrupt end like this, you know, it's our only hope. So, anyways.

2:45:39BubblemanAll right, dude. Thanks for sharing. Welcome, Tony and Jibs. You guys want to unmute your mic? Boom, I just did it for you. Not too happy with it either.

2:46:15SpeakerI think it's a shame.

2:46:17BubblemanYeah, it's not too bad. How are things at the Cannabis Cup in California?

2:46:24SpeakerThings in the Cannabis Cup, really, it's nice weather here. It's a little windy today, but it's pretty big, man. It's a nice layout. It's a huge, huge exercise. There's a lot of... Inside food is a pretty big event at this Cal Place, Cal Place Center. That's the Cal Palace, Cal Palace. And basically, I didn't know there was a lot of crazy advertisers on it, but there's a huge turnout.

2:46:59SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:47:22SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:47:36SpeakerI toughened up and I started using, I started taking the hype. This was a 75 to 2 CBD tincture and I started using this little topical that I made for my... Tony, can you definitely turn down the music that's near you? People are getting feedback and it's really... It's hilarious.

2:48:00SpeakerProbably not going to happen. That's pretty funny. I was worried about that. That's the one thing about the Cannabis Cup. I know you're getting a lot of feedback, but there's probably about 500 DJs and 200 boots, and everybody is blasting music from every direction, and that's honestly what made me sick yesterday. If Bubble Man was here, he'd be dead and sick like me with the most insane migraine ever.

2:48:29SpeakerI think there needs to be a sound ordinance when you come to these cups. It's out of control. It's like you hear five or four different songs at the same time from every direction.

2:48:41ToddSo literally, can I jump in? They literally have two competing stages within probably a thousand feet of each other, blasting as loud as they can, trying to compete with each other. It is unbelievable. You cannot talk to people at the booths anywhere within proximity of either stage. And I'm so glad that Dougie's doing it different with Chalice, and he's not going to allow DJs. He's going to have it so people can actually communicate and talk and socialize and not just have to be drowned out by it.

2:49:10ToddStreaming Rappers.

2:49:28SpeakerSame with a lot of other people in the cannabis community. And you have, I have a DJ behind me from this direction. And I can see one over here. This way. There's going to be one like this way over here. Two stages. You're trying to be nice and communicated with people and... You know, do your business and promote yourself. It gets a little complicated when all these loud, noisy things are around.

2:49:50SpeakerI've never been so... I feel it's back-taking weight from the events to some extent. It gets a little hard to pop into it with your friends and share your jars of passion. It's like actually screaming to the person next to you, like, it's this string and this mud rod! Check it out. You've got to try this. As soon as I pull a neck muscle, I'll be fine.

2:50:13SpeakerIt's all right. I'll just move more through it. And you can't make friends like that. You can't pull over and take a bite. He would have the same problem today, to where it's just super intense on the emotional scale of things, you know? Like, just serious, man. I've got, like, muscle spasms in my back. Yeah.

2:50:39SpeakerI'm going to go tell the guys, I'm like, hey, we're doing Hash Church here. Do you know what's going on? I mean, you should probably turn the music down. Yeah, so Todd, if you're going to do an event, just make sure that you have like special sound ordinances and like only one stage. We only need one DJ. We don't need 40.

2:51:08ToddI promise, I promise. And Dougie is doing it in Dallas, so everyone is going to go to Dallas. He's going to experience a noise-free environment where they can peaceably be high.

2:51:19BubblemanThat's awesome. Hey, I want to welcome Jen Doe.

2:51:22SpeakerHey, guys. The dude here is in the house. We made it. Finally. Are you guys staying out for the night?

2:51:36BubblemanThat took you a while. Same with Tony and Jibs. They just came in as well. That took them a while.

2:51:40SpeakerYeah, it's a little crazy.

2:51:46BubblemanThere's Nick. Nick's in the house.

2:51:51SpeakerYeah, there was a really, really, really cool image yesterday at the cup where these guys are at in this parking lot is right underneath this hill that basically overlooks the Pacific. And so right around, I would say, I don't know if I remember this correctly, maybe about 5 in the afternoon, there was this beautiful fog that came rolling in over the hill. It was like the Pacific was letting out its own dab.

2:52:17SpeakerIt was just this whole fog that came up and over the hill. And came down into the cannabis cup parking lot. It was just so fucking cool. Everyone was out there with their cameras and their cell phones taking pictures of this fog just coming down, rolling down the hill into the cannabis cup. It was totally fucking cool. You had to see it.

2:52:39BubblemanWere people asking what the Addy is and what version of vaporizer it was?

2:52:47SpeakerThe Pacific blowing out her own bong hit, right?

2:52:51BubblemanWhat's the mixture?

2:52:52ToddTechnically, it's an inversion layer. And from my house, when the sun sets, you can see it creep up from the Pacific over the mountains of San Francisco and engulf the city. I literally have photos of the city buildings sticking up out of it. And you can only see the tops of the bridges and the tops of the buildings because the inversion layer comes in and takes over.

2:53:13ToddIt's really a beautiful part of the geography of San Francisco and the Bay Area.

2:53:19BubblemanYeah, same with Vancouver and I have to admit Whistler. When Whistler gets inversions and you go to the top of the mountains and the peaks are sticking out of the clouds, and of course what a weather inversion is, is it means that it's hotter at a higher temperature and lower Thank you for watching.

2:53:56ToddIt's not so much temperature inversion, it's the dynamic pressure pushing down that moisture layer. So basically I wake up some mornings to a clear blue sky and the whole San Francisco Bay area has about a 900 foot cloud over it, which is like this inversion layer of fog which has just settled down and then there's I guess a higher pressure above it pushing it down. So I don't think it's so much temperature, it's the dynamic pressure differences.

2:54:24BubblemanWell, weather inversions usually do that, though, and that's all I know about them because we have them all over. I get them in Vancouver. I get them right off my deck where the clouds will come in and get pushed down, like you said, the fog, and literally just the peaks of the mountains. Sometimes the mountains are gone, but the sky doesn't have that level of clouds. It's clear.

2:54:44ToddNo, actually, you're right. Usually within the lower atmosphere, the troposphere, the air near the surface of the Earth is warmer than the air above, largely because the atmosphere is heated from below as solar radiation warms the Earth's surface.

2:54:56BubblemanIt's something we watch for avalanches, so we have to be really careful about it. It fucks with temperatures. And generally when you're like up in the mountains up there and you're just kind of hanging out and all of a sudden you look and the trees start dripping, that's definitely like a sign of like temperatures getting too warm up there.

2:55:17ToddIt was exceptionally beautiful yesterday.

2:55:20BubblemanWhat up, Mark? What's going on, Marcel? How you doing, dude? How's it going? I'm doing good. Happy Father's Day. Yes, happy Father's Day to you as well. I mentioned it a few times in the room today. Happy Father's Day to everyone, but happy Father's Day to Marcel and Jen, who just came in. Happy Father's Day to you, Jen. Thank you. Jessica's in the house.

2:55:45SpeakerI appreciate that. It's a single mom life, you know. This is actually, I heard Mark earlier while I was trying to log on saying this is the first time he's without his kids on Father's Day. This happens to be my first time without my kids on Father's Day too. So, I feel your pain, Mark. I believe that, you know, once you have children, they make your life so complete that it's just, it's something that you don't totally feel that absence anymore.

2:56:12SpeakerWhen things like this happen, you wouldn't think it's just another day. Oh, well, so what? It's Father's Day. That's just a hallmark holiday. No, you really do feel it down in your heart that, my gosh, this is the first day I haven't spent with my kids. It's kind of a big thing.

2:56:29SpeakerYeah, my kids got on a plane to go to Utah for the summer, so I'm without them all summer. I was bummed when I figured out it was a couple days before Father's Day, but... It's alright, I'll spend my time here with some good people and we're going to do a little barbecue or potluck or something.

2:56:45BubblemanThat's awesome. I'd love to be at that potluck, man. I hate that there's a border. That blows. It does blow. Borders suck. It even blew back in the day when you guys actually used to do it, like come up. Over and over you guys would come up and I'd always be like, How do these guys do it? Like, why do they not let me across the border, but they're letting them?

2:57:10SpeakerIt's not fair.

2:57:15BubblemanThey let anyone into Canada, unless you drink and drive. We're the weak link in the chain. Didn't they blame us for all the terrorisms, ever? It's Canada's fault. They let them in.

2:57:28SpeakerCanada? Canada?

2:57:30ToddLike, so polite.

2:57:31SpeakerCanada. Canada.

2:57:35ToddDid you all know that Rhode Island just, I just read this right now, by a 59-11 vote on Thursday, Rhode Island State House passed a bill that would authorize and regulate the growth and production of industrial hemp, effectively nullifying in practice the federal prohibition on the same. That's fantastic. 59-11. That's awesome. That's a good margin, too.

2:58:04BubblemanYeah, that is. I like good margins like that. Like our Supreme Court's 7 to nothing.

2:58:12ToddDude, 59-11 is really great. I mean, if this is the way it's going now, federal prohibition's over. Thank you for watching.

2:58:40BubblemanThe thing that will take that last leg of prohibition, there is still these sort of nut bar prohibitionists coming out of the woodwork. We have a few here in Canada that are just, you could not believe the things that they said. We had David Malmo Levine, we had Dana Larson, Mark Emery, and Kirk Toussaint all sort of spoke on the news recently about the derivatives case, and if you Google some of the CBC news articles, It's, you can't believe what this woman, what's her name, Horatio?

2:59:10BubblemanDo you remember what her name is? Rona Ambrose? No, not the health minister. This was the woman that's like, she's taken it upon herself for like smart access or some, she's got some weird cannabis name, but she's like not really about cannabis. She's all about, she's like, Dana Larson's breaking the law. These dispensaries are breaking the law. We are not in our own nation. And she has kids and no cannabis to go to.

2:59:35BubblemanRight, exactly. It's pretty hardcore, man. It's pretty hardcore to see here in Vancouver this level of prohibition. You know, she had kids literally walking at the event with anti-cannabis leaf shirts at all the cannabis gatherings we have in Vancouver. These young teenagers come with pot leaves wrapped in a red circle with a line through it. So are they no longer going to allow you guys to go to Vancouver smoking?

3:00:01Etienne FontanAre they just going to pull the permits? Are they no longer going to let you guys do that?

3:00:05SpeakerMark, are they no longer going to allow that to happen in Vancouver now? I don't pretend to know, but I will say that...

3:00:22BubblemanThey're making moves. They're trying to do things. Once the city said they might want to do dispensaries, now I hear they're saying that they might shut down vapor bars, that dispensaries will be one thing, but vapor bars will be another. Well, vapor bars are also an important part of The way people use their cannabis and it's like it would be terrible here in Vancouver to lose such a thing.

3:00:47BubblemanI would really, I mean in the end I never react because that's what they're hoping for. They hope enough people react with fear that fear topples the scales and they gain what they want. But I always have faith that we don't go backwards, we're going to go forwards. It might be a slow pace forwards but it's not going to be going backwards. So we'll have to see what happens.

3:01:11BubblemanPamela McCall. That's her name.

3:01:14Etienne FontanIt's frustrating for you guys to be so progressive and still get pushed back.

3:01:19BubblemanYeah, well, like I said, if these prohibitionists are standing up, I'm such a conspiracy person, I always just think, can a person be so crazy... To really try and fight the use of cannabis as a medicine when it clearly is beyond helpful, specifically for kids who are suffering, when you can take a seizure away from a child instantaneously by giving them the derivative or extract, that seems powerful enough to have a hard time arguing.

3:01:47BubblemanYet some of these new prohibitionists, they still, they're up and coming and they're They're saying that exact thing. They're basically taking it on head on, just saying that we have to do it safely and that it's a drug and that it's illegal.

3:02:02ToddI don't want to sound like a conspiracy, but to be blunt, there's a lot of money behind it. Being an adversity to the legalization and the progressiveness of cannabis because there's no question. I mean, when I first learned that a group of liquor distillers produced the film Reaper Madness, I learned that from the CNN International website back in 1994 when they had a marijuana quiz. And it stunned me because it really shows the overt oppression of That alcohol companies realized, hey, if we don't get on this, this is our biggest competitor.

3:02:39ToddWe have to do something about this. And just like alcohol companies, pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, you got to realize they all have a financial interest in keeping this illegal. And we're all fighting that right now because there's a lot of money behind the drug war because it's protecting profits of other industries. I mean, when we talk about glaucoma medicine or antidepressant medicine, you're biting into the pharmaceutical industry pocket at that point and they have a reason to Basically fight you.

3:03:09ToddAnd they are. I mean, we've been fighting it for decades, and we're still fighting it right now. I sometimes think all they're trying to do is buy time because it means they're still buying profits for just a little longer as we suffer, we go to jail, we pay for lawyers, and we get our asses handed to us. No, they safely still sell their drugs down the street to our teenage kids.

3:03:29ToddAnd that's the irony. You know, because they're saying, keep marijuana illegal to protect our children, and then when our kids are strung out on Coca-Colas and caffeine and sugar, we pop them full of fucking speed. But that's totally okay, and we're safe to do that. Even the people in the schools, we send them to administer the drugs. Well, that's great.

3:04:19JeffAbsolutely right.

3:04:20SpeakerDon't forget the very, very powerful tobacco lobby. Remind yourself that that product has been directly medically linked to causing lung cancer. So here's an industry whose product kills people, and I could buy it at the 7-Eleven right over here, right? It's a product that kills people, and I could buy it right here. Ridiculous. Also, don't underestimate the power of the for-profit products. Prison industry and also another big industry that's popping up that's making a lot of money is the drug testing industry.

3:04:57SpeakerDon't forget that all the employers that send off drug testing samples for urinalysis tests, the drug testing industry is now a billion dollar industry in the United States.

3:05:09ToddYou know, Colin Turner, the guy that was the head of the marijuana project before Muhammad Asoli, went to work directly from the government to the urine testing industry and made millions of dollars in the 80s and 90s.

3:05:21Etienne FontanAnd William Bennett, who was the first drug czar, also went into and put his money into piss testing and various other prohibitionists. You've got to remember, by the mid-80s, there was no such thing as piss testing except for when I worked offshore because it was for insurance purposes. And then it became for drug testing because of THC. And it skyrocketed, as we know, into what's become a multi-billion dollar industry now.

3:05:48Etienne FontanLittle yellow gold. And all these prohibitionists have their money in it. On top of that, as you were saying, it's not only prisons, it's for-profit prisons now, which is a big problem.

3:05:58SpeakerThat's right.

3:05:59Etienne FontanOn top of that, it's your Victoria's Secret, it's your Hanes, it's your... Fruit of the Loom and all these others that are being manufactured for pennies on the dollar. I had a friend of mine who went to federal prison in Colorado, and he was growing local, he was growing tilapia in the prison. And they were selling that fish to Whole Foods as natural farm-raised fish. Fish and selling it for pennies on the dollar in comparison to what any of the other fish producers in the area were.

3:06:39Etienne FontanSo the economic ties that prohibition go deeper than any of us realize. It goes to everyday things you buy. When I was in the Gulf War, my flak vest, my helmet were made in prisons. And trust me, it was not a very comfortable feeling when you're on the front lines.

3:06:59ToddI refuse to work at Unicor. I was in prison, actually. I flatly refuse to work at Unicor. It's literally slave wages. They bust these guys. They get them in on extraordinarily long sentences. Five, 10, and 20-year sentences in the federal system are not uncommon, and then they have no income coming in. And they get these 8 cent an hour, 20 cent an hour jobs where they're making specific things.

3:07:20ToddAnd what really became obnoxious was when the government allowed Unicor to start competing with regular companies in the marketplace because now you've really got unfair business practices being supported by the federal government because real companies that are employing people not in prison can't compete with a company that has a labor force that costs them pennies on the dollar in comparison. And that's exactly what's happening. And people listening should look up Unicor and the private prison industry because it's really a huge problem.

3:07:52ToddI mean, I lived in a prison for five years, so I fucking know firsthand what it's like. Where I was in Terminal Island, they made lockers because, don't you know, in the military and in prisons, they need a lot of lockers. So that was the product they made at Terminal Island. But unbelievable what they put these people through. And it shouldn't be legal.

3:08:12BubblemanYeah, the amount of money that that wage, if you think of a couple of million people in prison building products and working an eight to ten hour day and getting paid a few cents on the dollar, the profit margin that those companies are making on that slave wage is on the daily astronomical.

3:08:34Etienne FontanWell, it's completely subsidizing the economy. We have a complete false economy because of that. Because we, you know, everybody wants to buy cheap. They would rather buy a couple cents on something. So, you know, that's why it's been a race down. And the only way to do that was two ways. We shipped away all our mills. No one has any of those. So you have to either do an export and import or have prison labor.

3:09:00Etienne FontanThat's the only way to make affordable management.

3:09:02BubblemanThere is a third way. The third way is for us to have a starship. In every garage. A mothership?

3:09:16SpeakerI love you guys. Yes. I like that. Thank you, Bubble Man. You guys, I regretfully must inform you that I'm on my way to get my daughter. No regrets about that, but it's Father's Day and I'm heading out. And... Thank you guys so much, and I'm going to keep trying to make it on, and I want to love you guys. You're doing great things. I like this whole conversation in the morning.

3:09:49SpeakerAbsolutely. Have an amazing Father's Day with your daughter. We will talk again soon. Awesome. Ciao, everybody. Happy Father's Day, Marcel.

3:10:00Etienne FontanKeep up the great work.

3:10:02SpeakerI'm still hanging out, though, so continue. Oh, yeah.

3:10:06BubblemanYeah. We'll have to get him in here one day blowing glass. That guy does shit on a whole other level.

3:10:12SpeakerYeah, we got the laptop set up so that we'll be able to do that. They just had so many weird little projects going on that today was not the day.

3:10:23Etienne FontanThat's okay. That's okay. What you talking on there, Jen? What you talking on there, Jen? Oh, man.

3:10:29SpeakerI got some...

3:10:34SpeakerKimbo Dry Sift from Miss Cuban Hash Queen. So that has been fun. I've been kind of passing that out this weekend. And then a bunch of random flowers by the garden.

3:10:51BubblemanVery nice. Very nice. I'm just going to mute you when I'm talking so that we have a reverberation going through your mic. So just unmute yourself anytime you want to talk, Jen.

3:11:04Etienne FontanHey Tony, where are you going to speak up there?

3:11:09BubblemanYeah, I heard the music got turned down, but how can he hear us if he's got his headphones off of his ears?

3:11:18ToddHe's got a lot of distractions around him right now, no question. There's a circus over there. It was actually a really good time. You know, say what you will about High Times, man, they bring the industry together and it's a fantastic... Fantastic thing. It's hard to deny that.

3:11:39BubblemanThey've been doing it for a long time and maybe other people are going to pick up this concept and start doing more of these type of shows. We'll see what happens.

3:11:50ToddThey have. I mean, they have. When you look at the secret cup, it's a small microcosm of the cannabis cup. It almost brings me back to where we were 20 years ago when it was a small group. There was 40 competitors in this last event. They're all friends. They're all hanging out, getting each other high. You know, and you can tell that they're going to be friends forever.

3:12:09ToddYou know, it's like a lot of them, this is the seeds of the new industry still forming. And it is High Times. I mean, you ask Jeremy where did he get inspired by doing the Secret Cup, he said, I went to the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam. And I loved it, you know, because that's the experience we all had is that network, that community. The Secret Sesh last night, Mark, was awesome.

3:12:29ToddThey actually was the biggest one yet. You would have, it was probably 500 people.

3:12:37SpeakerThe table, the table.

3:12:40ToddWe got a nice room. They set aside a conference room for us to use, which had a very cool marble table, but we were having a good night. It was a great... After walking around the High Times Bend all damn day to have a nice cushiony leather seat to sit in at the end of the night was very appreciated. But the secret stuff was great, man.

3:13:00SpeakerThose guys... It was totally calm. We felt like we were the executives.

3:13:06ToddYes, yes. We can't really, I don't want to say where they did it, but they did it in a former cannabis corporation's building that is very cool and had a lot of space, and it was nice. I mean, as vendors were leaving, telling the people that put it on, you know, that they did better at the secret session five hours than they did at the Cannabis Cup all day.

3:13:29ToddThat's pretty incredible. The thing was only open from 9 to 1 and people were leaving super happy. It's a good, it's the community that's coming together is really beautiful and I'm thrilled to see it happening.

3:13:44Etienne FontanWell it was cool where we were set up because we were, where we were set up people just came through and just sampled their wares and Mark kept, Mark was fortunate at the end of the night he had a gentleman come through making some amazing hash that He just, every single hash mark hit, he was like, that's the best hash I've had all day. Oh, wait, that's the best hash I've had all day.

3:14:06Etienne FontanWait, wait, wait, it's now 1 a.m. This is the best hash I've had all day.

3:14:11SpeakerThat's our good friend Alberto from Barcelona, so shout out to Alberto if he's listening.

3:14:19ToddThat's cool, yeah. It was a really good experience. It's so cool to see it happening. The people from Urban Farmer and Cannabis Community, hats off to Tim and Nick and his wife Madison. They're all such cool people and the way they're doing it so fresh by giving away samples to people. It's really a celebratory event. I think it's super cool.

3:14:48Etienne FontanIt's all legal, so it's one of the great things about it. And you get to meet all kinds of people, all kinds of heads. It's been amazing.

3:15:00BubblemanCome on, Tony. Where are you? Come on, Tony. He's sitting with Steve D'Angelo.

3:15:14ToddIt looks like they're having a good time.

3:15:17BubblemanYeah, I bet you they're enjoying wonderful things.

3:15:22ToddYou know, Steve D'Angelo is actually getting awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award at this Cannabis Cup this weekend. People that don't know Steve D'Angelo, I met him at first in 1994 with Jack Carrow when we went to Washington, D.C. for National Medical Marijuana Day, and Steve was letting all us hippies crash on his floor, and he was a big supporter of normal and the hippies back then, and At the time he was really taking Jack's book to heart and he created an ecolution.

3:15:52ToddThe company was an environmental clothing company using 100% hemp that did not come from China. Back then C was taking this ethical stance that we should be supporting Eastern European hemp and not basically oppressive Chinese governments. So he was only importing Eastern European hemp and ecolution clothing were really cool in the 90s. As you know, ATN. And then Steve had his own run-ins with the law, and instead of letting it crush him, he turned it into moving west.

3:16:25ToddAnd following, really, the business model of Berkeley Patients Group, which had been around for years, he opened up Harborside and created what is easily now the world's largest, by sheer volume, cannabis dispensary in the world.

3:16:39Etienne FontanSteve D'Angelo is... Early on, people in the Cannabis Action Network, he supported Cann. When we went out on the dark days back in 93, 94, he helped support, actually, Jack when they came to my university back in 1989. So, Steve D'Angelo goes back to the yippy days. He's an old school activist from the 70s. And he put his money where his mouth is and quietly contributed to Normal, to Cann, to All these organizations, and when he started Ecolution, I got finished off of doing two years of hemp tour, and I was kind of burned out on the road, and he's like, hey, come work for me in D.C. And I was very fortunate to be under his wing for a couple years, and we took Ecolution and spread the word of hemp all the way around to where we were selling spools of hemp twine to Walmart.

3:17:37Etienne FontanAnd I'm very happy to have him here now in California. And he's done amazing things with Harborside, and I know he's got a book coming up, so hopefully he'll talk all about that. But quite an inspirational guy and a hell of a leader.

3:17:52ToddThat's really nice that we just had a meeting. Yeah, and he's done, his passion is obvious, and he's been at it for decades now, and he's one of the few people that's really stayed true to his word. Even when you guys were doing that collusion, was it you advertised 2% to charity?

3:18:08Etienne FontanYeah, we always gave to charity. I mean, it was always about giving back because we were always looking at ways to, with the name, it always gave us a way to think about doing better for all because we were dealing, you know, dealing back with the Compolte Institute and the Babilov Institute and buying the hemp seeds and dealing with everything to where we would go from the seed all the way to manufacturing the clothing in the Czech Republic and And then getting it to port and then importing it into the United States.

3:18:43Etienne FontanIt was quite an undertaking. And the problem was it was so expensive. By the time it got to the United States, the wholesale was so expensive. So it was almost a couture price. But we got all kinds of compliments for trying to push the envelope. And out of it, we had experts. We had the Fashion Institute of Technology reach out. You know, and Steve went there. Steve hung out and actually went to Eastern Europe.

3:19:09Etienne FontanHe hung out there for two years in Eastern Europe by himself, learning all about the hemp that was there, going to the mills, sourcing it properly, and putting everything together. And next thing you know, I have these tons of products out of hemp, and we were able to spread the word of hemp and really support it. Unfortunately, it just... Yeah, it changed in the end, but he's gone on to do quite an amazing thing.

3:19:36Etienne FontanSo, Tony, where are you, man? We want to hear from Steve.

3:19:41BubblemanRight.

3:19:44Etienne FontanTony. I was trying to do as best a set-up introduction as I could get.

3:19:50BubblemanI think you did. I think they're hitting rips and turps and enjoying. Tony's telling them all about everything. I can almost hear exactly what's coming out of Tony's mouth.

3:20:04SpeakerYou should interpret that for us. Let's just do like a Tony lip reading thing. Go ahead.

3:20:11JeffIn 10 seconds he'll take a prana drop. I bet. He'll reach for it and then he'll take a big glob of prana.

3:20:18SpeakerYeah, so just like watch his lips and Mark tell us exactly what he's saying.

3:20:26BubblemanWell, it's all about the profile, and it depends on where you hammer out that profile and how you access it. And then once you've bought it, and once you've added the terps, just a second, Tony, I need to think about this for a second. Okay, no problem. That's funny, I don't know what I'm laughing at. Anyway, what was I talking about? This shit's really strong. Okay, so I had this thing, and it's on this thing, and I put it over there, and you took some of it, right?

3:20:49BubblemanYeah, I remember. And it's strong, right? It made your head expand. You felt like your hat was going to blow right off the top of your head. Yeah, it's true. I did. So what do you think about that? That's all I got.

3:21:03Etienne FontanYou are killing me over here.

3:21:06SpeakerThat was perfect. I used to do that with the Spanish channel.

3:21:11BubblemanYeah, I've done that as well with TV shows, you know, with friends, just late at night, just being ridiculous and thinking what's up. Let's just make up the words for this show. It'll be funny. I'm sure what they're talking about is more interesting than what I made up, but hey, it was nice for you guys to give the lowdown on sort of a Wikipedia for Steve, both Todd and Etienne.

3:21:38BubblemanI didn't know that you were a part of the ecolution as well, Etienne. I supported that company back in the day and definitely had a bunch of those products in the 90s.

3:21:48Etienne FontanYeah, my ex-wife and I, we were the sales team for the company, and we were fortunate, we came off, it was actually very fortuitous of Steve, you know, we had just come off of two years of hemp tour, and so we knew every hemp store, every hempy, every stoner all around, so it was easy for us to then make the transition into dealing that, and then we went to the trade shows, and the products sold themselves, we just had the knowledge base to speak about it, because You know, Jack educated us all when, you know, and we all read Jack's book.

3:22:21Etienne FontanSo from that, we had a running knowledge about hemp, and then we started learning about all these different processes of, you know, manufacturing, weaving, putting things together, learning about stress points. I have an art degree. I had a crash course in, you know, fashion technology and learning how to properly weave hemp and the difference between long-spun hemp and cottonized hemp. And the whole education, it was fascinating when Steve reached out to the fashion news technology and all these experts started showing us how to actually take hemp and actually pick it apart and put it in your teeth and you can see how it unwinds counterclockwise so you could see if it was properly hemp.

3:23:02Etienne FontanBut at the same time, you were talking earlier about Ukrainian hemp. Somebody told us on to some Ukrainian hemp back in the 90s and it was so cheap that we

3:23:16Etienne FontanAll the radiation out of the ground from Chernobyl. So we're like, nope, not interested. So yeah, it's again amazing properties of cannabis and how it pulls things out of the soil. It needs to be what's happening in Japan. They need to be planting a lot of hemp around Fukushima and such to start pulling all that. In fact, some of the scientists over in Japan were talking about that because You can't use that hemp afterwards, unfortunately, but it pulls it out of the soil.

3:23:46Etienne FontanThere was a study done back in 97 or 96. It was a Polish metals mill, heavy metals mill, and they planted hemp on there. And it pulled all the heavy metals out of the soil and into the hemp. And it was amazing how fast the soil recovered from a series of hemp growing. And it was... Amazing the properties that the plant, one, distributes all in itself with its cellulostic, with its exterior, with its seeds, etc.

3:24:21Etienne FontanBut then to be able to have that type of industrial cleanup level as a batting up as cleanup on top of it.

3:24:31BubblemanYeah, that's, you know, and how we found that out in Canada was by Joe Strobel and Jeff Kime, who planted the first legal hemp field in 1994. They got the first license due to Jeff being a lawyer and Joe being a tobacco farmer. They grew on a plant or on a field that had been heavily sprayed with radium-226, which is a radioactive nucleotide they spray on tobacco that raises nicotine levels and is very, very nasty and bad and is truly a radioactive nucleotide.

3:25:02BubblemanIt's the real deal. They grew a field of hemp and I guess they tested the field because they have to test the field all the time. And the numbers had gone down so significantly that that's sort of how we first heard About the phytoremediated properties of cannabis. And there's other plants that have those properties for different metals. I know that sunflowers pulls nickel out of the earth.

3:25:30BubblemanYou can actually harvest sunflowers and smelt them down and acquire that nickel rather than doing like a harsh mining type method. So phytoremediation is definitely a powerful thing and it's real. But from when we learned that in 95, when we got our license, it probably wasn't much later, like maybe by 96 or 97, that our company, Consolidated Growers and Processors, brought the idea of the phytoremediation to Chernobyl and to start that project.

3:26:03BubblemanThat was actually like a big deal. It was one of the things I was the most stoked on to be a part of that.

3:26:14BubblemanGood old hemp. Are you talking, Todd? I thought you were talking. I see you smiling. You're on mute. That's why.

3:26:21ToddI was actually, you know, somebody asked me a question. You know, people now that your hashtag has become so popular and walking around Cannabis Cup, I have more people freaking ask me or say to me, I see all you on hashtags than I have on Culture High or the Union, which is a shift. And Somebody sent me a question asking me what my personal opinion is if people bring an open blasted hydrocarbon extract to secret sessions, cups, or high times events because they've seen a lot of it lately.

3:26:52ToddAnd I looked at his question and you know a lot of people are you know obviously concerned with the environmental concerns of releasing butane into the atmosphere and you know not just in You know, unsafe environments like, you know, their neighbor's apartment, but like in safe environments as the Colorado has a regulated industry around the extract industry. And that's a really tough thing, in my opinion, for me to say because, you know, every single can of butane that these people use was manufactured with the intent on going into your lighters and going into the app.

3:27:30ToddThat's fair. And, you know, and the fact that people are using these chemicals... In many honest ways, butane is an organic chemical to make very useful cannabis-based medicines I'm not sure if the harm is offset by the help that it does because, you know, I'm definitely, I feel like I'm more of an advocate for cannabinoids than I am for any type or single type of hash production because I think there's benefits and there's, you know, setbacks to all of them, if you will.

3:28:04ToddYou know, I love water hash, but you can have mold in water hash, you know, and, you You know, clear hydrocarbons, if you will, you know, or cannabinoids clear of hydrocarbons because I've had that, I have that. It's different, though, and I just think that safe practicing of how we manufacture, you know, I don't advocate moldy buds either, but that's a real reality when you're dealing with, you know, living vegetable matter.

3:28:31ToddI mean, mold and handling. It becomes an important aspect of responsible cannabis disbursement because people get their hands on some cannabis that hasn't been cured properly and it goes moldy while it's in their handling or storage and they have to either eat the money that they got because there's nowhere to go and bring it back. It's not like it's a legal commodity or they have to try to offer it to some poor schlep who doesn't know what moldy cannabis really is or looks like.

3:29:00ToddSo there's You know, there's buyer beware on all elements of this, and I just think that, you know, do the benefits outweigh the harms? You know, when it comes to cannabis, I think there's only going to be a short period that we're backstage or backyard moonshiners because look at how the cannabis industry, I mean the alcohol industry, went from being, you know, someone's backyard still or bathtub gin into being a clean, regulated industry that, you know, aside from abuse, you're not going to drink alcohol and go blind because it wasn't made correctly anymore.

3:29:37ToddYou're going to go, you know, You're going to lose it because you abused it. And that's a different conversation than safe manufacturing processes. And I think all of these unsafe, you know, from moldy water hash to hydrocarbon-laced, you know, shatter is going to go away with regulation and legalization and a better understanding of the manufacturing process, the handling process, and the responsibilities in both those fields.

3:30:05BubblemanAnd dare say some new hybridization of techniques and maybe even some new methods completely to come out of the future, particularly think cold. We're not blown away by rosin.

3:30:19ToddWe've all had weed for so long and we just started squishing it. I mean, this is killing me. You know what I mean? Oh, squish your buds. Everybody turns around and squishes their buds. I mean, we're really that naive about this, that we're pulling out hair straighteners and finding a new use for them and You know, we're still going to learn to innovate. And I got nothing against, you know, rosin.

3:30:39ToddIt's really cool, actually, you know. Dabs from a fresh bud with no solvents.

3:30:46BubblemanInstantly.

3:30:47SpeakerInstantly, right, you know.

3:30:49BubblemanHow long does it take, man? I don't know, about like five to eight seconds.

3:30:54ToddYou were making them faster than I could do them on my side of the table at the Secret Cups Awards thing at Ben's Museum. I mean, that's how fast Mark was making them and putting them on the table, and I felt backlogged in resin dabs.

3:31:09SpeakerAnd there were other people. We were also pressing for Mark and Jody Emery, Jeff Church over there.

3:31:15BubblemanThat was... There was no shortage of pressing going on in that building there, I'll tell you. Holy shit.

3:31:23ToddAnd this is the innovation that I think we're going to see by sharing information.

3:31:29BubblemanYeah, I agree. It's happening already. I agree as well earlier what you were mentioning about Hash Church. You know, all the work that I've done over the years, it's the most, the thing that people bring up with me the most is Hash Church. So we've definitely... We've definitely stumbled upon a really unique thing here and I just, I do hope in the future that we can just continue to raise the bar, continue to bring on guests that can share stories and just, you know, keep it going, keep it fresh, keep everyone inspired and, you know, even have great topics like...

3:32:10BubblemanA question that got asked a multitude of times, I'm sure even many of you, is if I want to do, younger people asking if they wanted to get into this, what would be an area that they could get into? So it's nice that we talk about things like that from the botany and the horticulture perspective. To the biochemistry, to the plant chemistry. What was the other one you had mentioned, Mark?

3:32:35SpeakerThree people, three individuals have reached out to me on a Facebook personal message and asked me for guidance on what type of career they ought to consider to get into the legal cannabis industry. A couple of them to, in fact, one of them I do believe is starting a graduate school at UC Riverside in chemistry on my suggestion. And that was through Hash Church.

3:33:03BubblemanThat merits a post in Hash Church of, you know, like maybe you could even make it or someone that says, you know, if you're considering a job to get into something for illegal cannabis industry, You know, here's a list of great options. And then people could add more because that would be nice to have compiled. I get that question all the time from people. So I'd love to just be able to send them a link and say, right here, there it is.

3:33:32BubblemanOkay, what's Jen asking there? Let me see what you just said, Jen. Can we touch more on the epilepsy and CBD and why the bullshit in Colorado isn't working for most of the patients? Have a friend dealing with this right now. All right, well, why don't you tell us what your friend's dealing with first?

3:33:47SpeakerWell, I can speak from Jessica and Naya's point of view. I mean, they've had very good success, Jen, with Elite Cannabis' product, Remedy, which I now think is available coast-to-coast through Mary's Medicinals. Or actually, Mary's Medicinals has now a new product line called Mary's Nutritionals based on their interpretation of the Farm Bill. I do believe that their CBD products, again, are organically grown from our friend Dave Bonvillain and the Elite Cannabis Group in Loveland, Colorado.

3:34:24SpeakerIt's a wonderful product. It's the only product that I know that has basically alleviated seizures in a child, a Dravez patient that I've had experience with. I recommend that product.

3:34:40SpeakerVery cool. Yeah, they were using some stuff from up here that had a THC and CBD, and they recently switched to getting stuff from Colorado that's just that main CBD base, and they went through about five different things, and none of them are working. So I'm just trying to get her more information, because I can give her as much information as I can, but it's great to hear it from other perspectives so that they can...

3:35:11SpeakerYou know, understand how to deal with that.

3:35:15SpeakerHere's the link, Jen. I don't know if anybody else has any other experiences. And again, I don't want to speak negative about any other products that I don't know of. This is one product that I personally know is very effective. And if you were on Church, when was it, Mark? Maybe about a month or so ago.

3:35:36SpeakerJessica Hawkins told her story about Her daughter, Naya, who's 10 years old, and this product has been very effective in not only controlling seizures, but also in the middle of a grand mal seizure where she's flailing and losing bowel movement and just completely in the middle of a seizure when she gets a drop of oil under the tongue, it stops. It stops the seizure dead. I mean, that's a miracle.

3:36:05Etienne FontanThe problem is it's still so subjective, and that's the thing, and that's what we've found. You have to find the right ratio that works, and this is still the frustration we're dealing with in California that you're dealing with there still, Jen. I get people all the time, they're like, hey, I heard about this, I read about this, can you get Charlotte's Web, what ratios do you have?

3:36:24Etienne FontanAnd I've given people the full ratios, CB ratios that I have available, and things still don't work. And that's an unfortunate thing is that these Sanjay Guptas are giving people some of these false hope, thinking that They're going to find it in cannabis and that cannabis is a cure-all. And then they realize, oh, wait, there's different ratios of cannabis. Oh, and wait, there's only availability of certain ratios of cannabis.

3:36:49Etienne FontanAnd, oh, shit, there's this many ratios. How do I break it all down? And as we all know, there isn't one bud that works for spasticity better than the other yet. The science is still out. We don't have any subjects. We can go on anecdotals. But unfortunately, the child and the family have to go through the investigation. Unfortunate trial and error process, and that's the frustrating thing that I'm always struggling with and frustrated with, is not only that, it's when I get it, and it works for somebody, and then it's gone for six more weeks, and then I can't get it for them anymore, and it kills me when they're like, but my child's having seizures, and I don't have access to it, and that's why I'm excited about Tony and their product, and hopefully availability of products that You know, more access to these products because it's frustrating when you see the success of people and you expect the same success of this other family.

3:37:46Etienne FontanAnd it doesn't come true. And this family is looking at you like, but it's supposed to help. What are you doing wrong? And it's like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're just trying to help you. This is the reality that we're in.

3:37:59SpeakerIn the evaluation of medicine under clinical trials, you have to take into account that... A lot of the way that medicine interacts with our body is very unique to our body and our body chemistry has a lot to do with how these medicines are metabolized and ultimately how effective they are. So when you do a clinical trial for the effectiveness of drugs, they have to take a very wide statistically robust swath of the population that covers People with hypertension, people with different medical conditions, people with diabetes, because all of those different medical conditions and all the medicines they might be taking to alleviate suffering from those medical conditions are all going to affect the efficacy of any herbal supplement that you take to alleviate some type of medical condition.

3:38:52SpeakerSo for example, again, you can take certain drugs that you cannot drink with grapefruit juice because the grapefruit juice and the acidity in the grapefruit juice will essentially annihilate the drugs in the gut. So there's all kinds of different factors that play into how efficacious a medicine is going to be for a particular patient. Sometimes you hit it right on the mark. I think like with Naya, her body was so starved for these cannabinoids that her body immediately responds.

3:39:30SpeakerAnd again, in the middle of a seizure, the fact that when she gets a drop on her tongue, that immediately it stops the seizure, which is happening in her central nervous system, in her brain, and all throughout her body, tells you how starved her system is for these molecules. And so... It's not going to be that way for every patient, but certainly the anecdotal evidence that can start to build that can look at different patients and different lifestyles or different body chemistries, ways that people interact with these things can help us understand and make the anecdotal evidence into something that we can actually understand and ultimately treat people who Perhaps aren't seeing efficacious treatment with some of these other treatments that are out there.

3:40:21BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, when people ask me what they should do and what kind of profile they need for this particular thing and that particular thing, I, of course, lead them in the directions of good places they can do research, but I often say to them to not to close the door on their own bioassay abilities. It's a very simple plant. It's a very simple herb in the sense that You know, you're not going to have some terrible, horrible experience with it.

3:40:46BubblemanYou're able to try a multitude of strains and not necessarily only try strains that people are telling you this is what you need to look at if you suffer from this because you never know, you might be completely outside of that, you know, group or versions of strains and find something that actually is even more efficient. So I just tell people, Try things, you know, try strains, try to keep a journal and just go through them and when you find ones that are, whether it might be a smell that they have in common, like figure out something that combines, and then even figure out using a multitude of strains.

3:41:23BubblemanWe know that stacking a variety of cannabinoid profiles can have a different effect over a single cannabinoid profile. So, I mean, that's just as simple as Hitting something, hitting two strains that you know really well, like two hashes that you smoke every day, and then hitting those two hashes together, not always, but often, sometimes you can produce this sort of synergy between the two that's just the best of both worlds, so to speak.

3:41:56Etienne FontanSo Jen does ask, can you explain why THC would be important to have in conjunction with the CBB to be more effective for seizures? She seems to react To the THC being incorporated, yes, we have found, you know, people have tried straight CBD and straight THC. Those don't work. What's found is we're finding with science is those in different ratios. What's the frustration is now to find the ratios that work proper.

3:42:27Etienne FontanRatio, do you want to go up on that?

3:42:30JeffWell, I mean, it leans back to what I asked Mark last week. I was asking that, you know, my next step is to start to try to get CBD to play with, not really play with ratios, but explore what knowledge has been put out there. And then my first panic attack is, wait, either I chase a mystery strain that, again, I find it and then it's gone for six weeks, or I look to hemp and seeing if there's anything that people have missed.

3:42:56JeffBecause All I do read is even Charlotte's Web doesn't work for everybody, even if it works for Charlotte Finney. And then I'm like, no, no, I can't go through this failure. I might as well just go back to looking to these strains that naturally produce the combination and seem to have a better success rate in the market than blanket CBD. But then Mark throws that anecdote that these people are using organic hemp that's different.

3:43:22JeffAnd therefore, not all hemp is the same, and we know nothing about the strains, and there's no... I can't say, oh, is that hemp Master Kush? I know something about Master Kush. It all starts from, can I get any hemp to potentially extract? You start at rock bottom, and it's not... I can see how that could potentially not work. At least the anecdote this week of, okay, seek organic hemp.

3:43:44JeffMaybe just like weed, it makes a difference. If you are going to explore that, it totally could explain why so many people fail. There's a lot of different things when you're looking at it from an apothecary standpoint to try to build the solution for somebody.

3:44:00SpeakerYes, so the receptor that THC acts on primarily is what's called the CB1 receptor, which is one of the most highly expressed receptors in the brain and in the central nervous system. So it's not at all surprising to me that THC does have a Thank you so much for joining us.

3:44:46SpeakerAll of these things are interacting in a very, very dynamic way, and how the body sees the dose of cannabinoids at any one particular time could influence the physiological effect that the patient is seeing.

3:45:06BubblemanJust answering a few people in chat right now.

3:45:09JeffWell, I wish Tony would step in and bring in some more of his knowledge of why he focuses on THCA in his Prana program and why he's literally, I mean, it's the same kind of, one of the reasons why I'm like, well, this THCA is more than just trying to get a limitless high. What if What if we could eat it the same way Tony's using it?

3:45:29JeffI'm paying deep enough attention that I almost feel like I'm repeating history where he went in that route, and now I'm like, well, there's more weed with THCA that I could isolate than I can get. Rather than chase CBD, it's my new dilemma of the week now. Should I go that route?

3:45:46SpeakerRemember that THCA, because it has that polar carboxylic acid group, I'm conjugates in plasma with other materials and ultimately does not cross the blood brain barrier. So while you can certainly get THCA in the body, it's not going to cross the blood brain. So not everything that's in your blood crosses what's called the blood brain barrier. And so typically psychotropic substances that act in the central nervous system and on the brain in particular Thank you for watching.

3:46:37JeffWell, I mean, that's the normal convention. And I'm like, well, with this anti-inflammatory capacity that seems to... Basically, I went back and looked at why are people juicing flowers? Why are people juicing veg plants? And then I started tracing people who juice flowers. And they kept saying anti-inflammatory, anti-inflammatory. And I'm like, what? Could it be being picked up in another way or being converted in the gut to something else that's not about psychotropic, you know, psychedelic effects?

3:47:08JeffBut it's the anti-inflammatory aspect that I'm scratching my head because people are saying it's working as well for them as CBD and obviously flowers you can juice. So instantly I'm like, well, I don't need to juice them and have them being in flux. I can stabilize it and we could potentially eat chalk.

3:47:27SpeakerSo remember that it's all a matter of dose. It's all a matter of concentration and equilibrium concentration in the blood. So it has to do with basically the fact that these are such powerful molecules for interacting on these ligands or at these receptors that sometimes even digestion in the gut Thank you for joining us.

3:48:09SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

3:48:30SpeakerThat's why, again, clinical trials has to look at a statistically robust swath of the population to be able to make dosing recommendations on a medicine based on the signal-to-noise ratio that you're going to get when you look at a population that has very, very different body chemistry where the molecules are going to react in very different ways.

3:48:53JeffIt's kind of why I'm disappointed when they get something stable enough to present to a large population is to oversimplify the plant just like a pharmaceutical person would. It's like, well, too many people are allergic to the weed itself. Too many people don't like chlorophyll. Could I get the THCA that some people get results out of into something that more people could potentially be available to? Because if I juice a flower, I'm going to barf, and I'll never know if it could potentially help me.

3:49:22JeffThat's kind of why I'm scratching my head because it's not financially viable, but I want to know if condensing things down and to a point simplifying them allows, you know, removing terpenes allows the gut not to have that variable thrown at it when it's digesting that THCA.

3:49:40SpeakerYeah, I mean, just to comment on that for a second, I mean, terpenes, again, are very chemically sensitive molecules and not just on the nail at Nail temperature. But also, that's my ride. I got to go to the cup, guys. When stuff gets into the body, the body chemistry and your blood chemistry, I mean, all this stuff affects things. Hey, Steve, I'll be down in just a second.

3:50:10SpeakerAll this is going to be affected by What's going on in your body and how your body metabolizes and how, if you're a cigarette smoker, I think what they find often too is that cigarette smokers can have a different high, again, because of the way that they've already insulted their lungs because Again, you've changed the hydrophobic balance of what's crossing the membranes and getting into your alveoli, which is the sensitive tissue that basically absorbs smoke when you bring it into your lungs.

3:50:44SpeakerHey, folks, I'm going to go run to the cup, so I'm going to go join Tony. Maybe he'll still be broadcasting when I'm there. Thanks for all the chemistry questions. We'll see everybody at the next Hash Church. Thank you. Thank you, Mark.

3:50:59BubblemanAlways a pleasure, dude. Enjoy the cup, and don't let Steve wait too long. Grateful dad. Awesome.

3:51:06SpeakerHappy Father's Day.

3:51:07BubblemanHappy Father's Day.

3:51:09SpeakerHappy Father's Day.

3:51:11BubblemanHappy Father's Day to all those fathers out there watching, for those of you that are with your kids, and for those of you that are unable to be with your kids. Cuddle of the children.

3:51:27JeffWhat do we do? Should we all wave and just keep waving until someone looks at the laptop non-stop and just blow out? Tony's got to look at some point.

3:51:38ToddWell, guys, I think I could actually drive over there and tap them on the shoulders might be just as effective. I should have left 40 minutes ago. I could have just broadcast on the line. I'm just kidding. But it was good to have. I'm going to go over there and enjoy it for a little while before it's already one o'clock here in California or close to it, so.

3:52:02ToddI think they have over-medicated for this hour and forgot they were doing a live podcast.

3:52:08BubblemanYeah, that's awesome. That's okay. We'll get them in another time. It might just be that... The technical difficulties of the sound just weren't working that he might just think, damn, you know, it might not be worth doing, I don't know.

3:52:22ToddHonestly, it was the most annoying place yesterday and really, I joked to tell my girlfriend to bring the earplugs because, you know, it's that bad. And I don't get it. You know, I really, I don't see how that can do to a good event and really it just doesn't, I mean, it's murder on the people trying to communicate in any realiztic level anywhere near these stages. I don't get it.

3:52:46ToddBut it's, I don't get it. Interesting.

3:52:52BubblemanWell, I'm looking forward to Father's Day. I have barely seen my family at all today. I just saw my one son. I haven't seen my other son or my daughter, so it Yeah, in a few minutes here I will be, maybe after another dab or two, we'll end up shutting her down for the day. That was a good solid, what did we do, four or five hours?

3:53:13BubblemanFour hours? Four hours. That's a reasonable church.

3:53:24Etienne FontanToo bad we can't get Tony in here to unmute.

3:53:30ToddI honestly think it's a sound issue because it supposedly started at 12 and they were trying to communicate with us while it was still at 1150 and the sound was incredible at that point and I'm sure it only got louder as more people walked in and the volumes got turned up. I think it was just an impossibility of doing it.

3:53:54ToddI'll ask them when I see them because I'm going to see them.

3:53:57BubblemanYeah, you're going to go down there in a bit?

3:54:00ToddYeah, I am. You know, it's beautiful weather and it's, you know, they're doing the whole event is really in the parking lot and you have to have a medical card to really appreciate 90% of it, 95% of it. But it's really cool. I mean, there's a lot of people there. Everybody's representing, you know, the community is the show and the community is pretty cool. So, you know, I just wish...

3:54:25ToddYou know, we all do that, you know, we could get better venues and more respectable spaces where we could be more relaxed, more places to sit, you know, not be out in the sun and, you know, getting blasted and just, you know. In the future, we will have these things just like every other industry has and we will be accepted and respected and welcomed and I think we'll be a demographic that's appreciated in our communities and not shunned.

3:54:51BubblemanHell yeah, we will be. I agree 100%.

3:54:56BubblemanShall we dab? Really just to exhale, I'm still like holding back the cough right now. Hitting the hit man.

3:55:15ToddThat's true, yep. The guys from Secret Cup gave me one of the extras that they had. And I like it. No matter how hard you pull on it, you'll never hit water. Which I really appreciate.

3:55:28JeffSo Todd, I've got a quick question. Do you, because you seem, do you have the most swag in the universe?

3:55:37JeffLike you just rolled in with my pipe and I'm like, damn, I paid and saved for that fucker and Todd rolls so tough that they just come sticking to him when he leaves an event.

3:55:49ToddNo, not, this, my friends, I help them out in other ways, you know, and they're just being nice. I mean, the week they did the secret cup here, they stayed at my house to save money because they tried to put all the money into the event, and, you know, instead of, that is literally Rob's dark phone, instead of, you know, just blowing it on first class hotels and stuff, and the experience that they provide to the people really shows, and You know, people just do nice things when you do nice things back, I think, is all that happens, you know.

3:56:26ToddYep. You know.

3:56:28BubblemanFor sure. Just hooking them up in Barcelona was large. I felt the same thing when you hooked me up to be able to do Hash Church from the museum.

3:56:39ToddYeah, next year I hope we do it again and do it even better, honestly. And, you know, I did. As things go forward, I'd love to do a Canvas Castle one Sunday, get you out there, or at least, we'll see. The future holds a lot, actually. True enough. True enough, dude. Yeah. So it's exciting times. I'm glad you're doing this, Mark. You know, all the good vibes and stuff I get back from people make it so worthwhile, and I think it's cool to see everybody excited about sharing information, in my opinion.

3:57:17JeffWell, I'm just teasing, dude. I just see the abundance that flows back to you. And sometimes I have to make fun. I'm like, oh, this week a bag full of top extracts. Oh, the week before, just a fistful of THCA, huh?

3:57:30ToddHonestly, Horatio, this week, where's the camera? They sent me home with every single one of the friggin' entries from the Secret Cup. So I photographed all of them. They're all up on my Instagram. They're layered photographs that represent between, like, you know, seven and sometimes thirty pictures, depending on how deep they are, per photo. And it's, you know, after shooting them, I get to dab them, so it's really a nice experience.

3:57:59ToddSo... Yeah, it was pretty cool. I'm happy to help them out. It exposes me to the wonders of the community and the innovations that are happening around me, and it's beautiful to be part of it.

3:58:13BubblemanWell, on that note, my family literally just came in and gave me a beautiful mug and a nice plate of food, and my Father's Day is going to start now. It's already 1 o'clock here, so... I had a great time again today and I thank everyone for coming and hanging out and watching. The 600 plus people all in the chat room hanging out. Remember if you guys want to do an after church show, you can go to my website fullmeltbubble.com and there will be a chat there that you should be able to click on.

3:58:45BubblemanIf it's not working this week, I will definitely have it working for next week and that's going to be the Hash Church waiting room for between episodes. That'll be a chat that's always there. People can go to. It might not be a video chat at first, but it very well may eventually turn into one. So thanks everyone for coming out to Hash Church. So many of you guys, but Etienne and Horatio, Jen Doe, Todd, and Tony, you guys are still in the room and it's easy to remember and see your names and faces.

3:59:15BubblemanSo thank you guys. I say till next week. Hash Church Episode 40. Peace, guys.