Owen Smith Trial, Rosin Pressing and Cannabis Taxonomy

0:02BubblemanGood morning everyone and welcome to Hash Church episode 40. Can you imagine that we've been at this for 40 weeks? I'm just going to send out the links real quick. Here, get the email sent off. Get the Facebook link sent off. I want to say hello to everyone and welcome. And thank you all for really just being pretty awesome. I think it's, there we go, a little get me up on the screen there.

0:31BubblemanIt's been a pretty cool thing. I'm going to start today's Hash Church with some coconut oil extract that D420K gave to me. Now, I hope D420K is going to be making it today. He said he was going to try to come down and check it out.

0:48BubblemanAnd hopefully this video is going to run okay. It looks a little bit choppy right now. Welcome, ATN.

0:57AtnGood morning, Bubble Man. How are you, sir?

1:00BubblemanI'm doing okay. It seems like my internet is a little sketchy right now. I hope I didn't make a crucial error.

1:09AtnYou are slightly choppy. You're moving just a little blocky.

1:14BubblemanYeah, and I wonder if it's going to record like that, or I wonder, because it hurts my brain to think that it could. It almost, I should have started my computer over. What a moron. Oh well, we'll do what we can.

1:28AtnYeah, you may want to do that, because I see a minicam thing on your screen. And do you think the minicam screen is what's mucking it up? Yes, most likely.

1:41BubblemanYeah, so let's see what we can do here. We can go exit. All right. And we can go to camera. There you go.

1:56BubblemanAll righty. Let's try that out for size. A little bit better. So how are you guys?

2:06AtnThat's better. I'm doing good. Doing excited. You know, a lot of things happening this week in the world, you know. People are very excited about what's happening up in Canada. People are excited about what transpired here in the United States for gay rights because it's also Pride weekend and people are going, ape shit. Hey, it only took us nearly 10 years to follow you, Canada. Once again.

2:29BubblemanThank you for watching.

2:51AtnWow. But we love you guys. On top of that, you know, we had the whole ruling regarding our health care. On top of that, you know, the whole flag thing, two different flags. It's really crazy with the whole Confederate flag thing going on. It's been a nutty week here in America, much less, you know, trying to push what we're already pushing for cannabis all over the place.

3:15AtnWhat's going on with Canada now with any news from the health department regarding the concentrate licenses?

3:23BubblemanYou know, not so much. I guess Health Canada is probably going to be moving as fast as they can. They're going to have to because with seven Supreme Court judges laying down the law as in immediately. So one of the cool things that I'm assuming, of course, but that I really like is that You know, because our MMAR license is held right now, it's like they ended, they all ended on the 31st of March, but they're sort of in limbo and we're still allowed to use them.

3:55BubblemanAll the rules that apply to that license are a little bit kind of in the air. For instance, Thank you so much for joining us.

4:22BubblemanWe were allowed that back in Canada or in BC, I should say, for the last couple of years thanks to the beginning of the Owen Smith trial. But now thanks to the Owen Smith trial going right to the Supreme Court, we're even in a better situation with extracts and derivatives being all across the board now federally. I can take a plane and I can go anywhere I want with my extracts.

4:45BubblemanThat's huge, man.

4:50AtnThat is epic. So I want to start this morning. I got some rosin actually in the store the other day that's coming in. And yeah, it's coming to market. Thank you, everybody. Finally, after much discussion, people have heard enough about it that the patients are actually benefiting from it. So hey, you made that, though. This is a Babakush rosin from French Laundry here in California. I saw that.

5:20BubblemanI saw you post that picture. I liked their little logo.

5:24AtnTheir graphic is classy. I can't deny it. It's very nice. But the product is also exceptional. It's going to retail, I think, between $30 to $70, I'm told, because it's a little expensive for the high-end stuff. But it comes together very nice, very... consistent throughout so very pleased to see a nice product you know they're different levels one is a little um A little darker in color.

5:54AtnThis one was nice and clear. And hey, to everything that's happened this week.

6:01BubblemanI will join you for that. I noticed that my rosin, you know, the hash rosin is obviously almost always going to be darker. Unless you're taking a really light colored sift or a fresh, fresh bubble hash, you'll get a much lighter product. But then you end up getting the product with potential water in there. So it's sort of a...

6:24BubblemanA judgment call on each hash maker's sort of what you want in your bowl, if you want it sizzling and hitting you in the face, or if you just want it to disappear. With water hash, it's always been like that. With water hash, for a while, my God, it must have been five years, everyone had wet water hash. It's why when I first saw Frenchie, when I first saw him putting all that hashtag, and I had not seen it in person, I was worried.

6:55BubblemanThat it could be potentially wet. Mostly because back in the day, that's what we all did. We took that bubble hash wet, and we pressed it all up into these cannolis, into these real sort of Frenchy style, and it looked amazing. You know, that little bit of water in there just made it look like glossy and insane. But then it would butter and take out after a couple of days, and then it would get a weird kind of funky smell like, ooh, juice, there's like a lot of water in there, so...

7:22BubblemanI didn't realize when I first saw Frenchy's pictures and stuff that he was really drying that hash out and getting it nice and dry before he was sort of pressing it all up into a ball. And it's important because a guy like that, he's obviously doing a lot to make that right. I would suggest that a lot of people that come in behind them and try to copy them, a lot of those people might make mistakes and press up that hash wet.

7:50BubblemanIt's the hardest thing to dry water hash, as you know.

7:53AtnWell, now with these dry vacs, you know, and as well as these, you know, these different layers of heat now that are available. That kicks it and changes the whole level a whole other notch because now you can make exactly what you want on top of that. You no longer get that mustiness that happens or that spoilage or you close it up and you open it up and you get a white fuzzy ball.

8:18AtnWorst thing ever.

8:21BubblemanAnd especially, welcome, welcome Tony. Hey Tony, welcome. How are you guys doing? Hey Horatio. Good morning. Good morning. Tony, coming in for the quickness, coming in for the quickness. I like the variety of hats that we have going on here. I mean, we got a whole sort of variety here. You guys are great. You guys are great. Well, I'm going to have a rip on that note, celebrate people everywhere being able to marry across the United States.

8:52BubblemanI think that it's just, you know, gays have the same rights as straight people when it comes to marriage, and why shouldn't gays be as miserable as straights? Let them be married. Oh, did I just say that?

9:04TonyYep.

9:07AtnI love marriage. A lot of people are hoping that, you know, people who are in the gay community will notice these people in the Medical and then the cannabis community to help us further our social justice issue a bit more because, yeah, we need some better representation out there, needless to say.

9:23BubblemanOkay, well, honestly, I'm stoked for them and this stabs for you, my LGBT community.

9:41BubblemanLittle early morning sigh from Tony V. Yo, I'm a scientist.

9:48TonyFrickin' A. Wow. The frickin' A. I still have this computer virus that I had last... I have a computer virus on a Mac, or an AdWare virus on a Mac, and I have my own virus. In my body.

10:14AtnDamn, dude, you've been hurt. I hope you feel better, Tony, and I hope your computer feels better too, man.

10:19TonyYeah, only when I go on Facebook to go on to Hash Church does it pop up and take control of my computer and don't allow me on the internet. Well, that's trippy.

10:30BubblemanThat's enough to drive a person insane, but we see you right now, loud and clear, and I can tell that you're at home.

10:36TonyI'm on my home computer, but the laptop is... That's what happened to me last week. I couldn't get it on because this little message pops up and says, warning, warning, you have some kind of like... You have to call this number. And then you call the number and you talk to an Indian guy. And the Indian guy says, hello, how can I help you? And you're like, well...

11:02TonyMy computer has this pop-up that won't go away that says I have to call you in order for it to go away. And he's like, yes, that's right. All I need is your DNS and full access to your computer so I can access your computer remotely and I'll remove it. And then I was like, well, who put it there? I was like, because if I'm calling you, And it's telling me to call your number, and that's the only pop-up.

11:29TonyIt's just like, warning, warning, call this number, call this number, otherwise it won't come off your computer. Wow. So we finally talked to the guy, and he says, yeah, I'm the one who put it on your computer. What? Yeah, no, the adware is from them. But are you on a Mac? I'm on a Mac.

11:48BubblemanOkay, so all it is is it's an add-on, and you can turn that off really easy by going into your add-ons. Macs don't get viruses, but they have created a unique one. John got this very same thing and sent his computer away, and I was like, dude, no, all you did was you clicked on a BitTorrent, you tried to download a program or something, or like half the people in the chat, they're like, oh, he's watching porn, he's watching porn, probably because they themselves watch too much porn, and this happened to them.

12:15BubblemanThank you for watching.

12:34BubblemanAnd there it was. I just disabled it and deleted it. And what it was doing to me, it was popping up. Like YouTube was all of a sudden just full of ads, like insane amount of ads. Every site that I went on, these motherfuckers would put ads into Firefox. And I finally got rid of it, thank God.

12:52TonyThis was, so, you know, I went deep on it. And basically you open up your system preferences and And where it has security, it has that little spot that has the add-on, and I disable it, I turn it off, and then I clear all my cookies, and you just wait less than 30 seconds, and all of a sudden, in the cookies, it's just 29 of them come up, and they're all jacks and hacks and trying to steal your identity, and all these crazy things.

13:25TonySo I mean, and it only happens, it was working fine for the entire week, but it only happens when I try to log into Hash Church.

13:36BubblemanYeah, someone in chat is saying, oh, you can get viruses on a Mac. It's like, yeah, you can get them, but they don't happen very often. Yeah, Adblock, Firefox, it's pretty easy to take care of.

13:50TonyWell, this guy's saying it's not a virus. The guy that put it on there, the company, they charge you $200 to take it off. And here, I'll go on to it now.

14:02BubblemanWhat a scam. Welcome, Todd. We're just talking about computer scams with the Macs. Tony's got some sort of a little faltovirus, like a little add-on type of thing that's fucking with his computer. So that's the discussion for the first week of the 40th.

14:20ToddOn a Mac.

14:22TonyOn a Mac.

14:24SpeakerHe talked to the virus maker.

14:26TonyIt's not a virus. It's the Indian guy that put it on there that wants full access to my computer and I have to pay him $200 to take it off. No.

14:36ToddI was like... How is this possible? The Indian guy called you up and said, I'm calling a computer, and you said, my computer? No. When I got that call, I said, what makes you think I got a computer? And he says... You do not have a computer? And I said, no. And he hung up on me.

14:59ToddBut what does your screen say, Mark? There's no way, Tony. This is not possible.

15:04BubblemanAdware Medic. Adware Medic, William Wunder says. We'll fix it. Absolutely fix it. Just figure it out.

15:11TonyAdware Medic? This thing is unbelievable. It's offline and it's still popping up cookies in this little back-end thing. This is...

15:20ToddIt might not really be offline. How did you, what were you doing? Looking at porn? What, you think you won the lottery? Somebody gave you a new iPad? How did this happen?

15:30TonyThis happened, I was hanging out at a friend's house in Santa Rosa, and I went to his house, and I was like, hey, let me pull up this, it's a friend business partner guy, and I said, hey, let me pull up this This purchase order on my computer, and we'll go over it, and he was like, okay, cool. So I said, what's your internet password? And literally, I type in his password, and as soon as I hit enter, it's like, warning, warning, warning, warning, and it's like nonstop, and I'll show you what it does.

16:06TonyHere, I'll show you what this thing does. This is insane.

16:08BubblemanGet Adware Medic right now, Tony, and just fix it.

16:12TonyYeah, I will. I just want to show you how insane this is, though.

16:17ToddOn an Apple. I got to tell you, Tony, you're shaking the whole Apple world because they're like, we can't get viruses.

16:23TonyIt's not a virus.

16:25ToddThe guy that had a virus said it's not a tumor.

16:30TonyIt's malware.

16:32ToddIt's a tumor, bro. It's a tumor. You didn't have to shoot the computer.

16:37TonyThis is not a virus. This is adware. We have completely jacked your computer, and for $200, I will take your entire identity. I will take all of your computer contents and I will fix it for you. And you will pay me $200. But ever since then, I tried to tell him, I was like, look, dude, you got some, you got like a, your connection is not that good.

17:00TonyHe's like, no, I've never had a problem. I'm like, well, maybe you don't go on the internet that much.

17:05BubblemanAll right, I'm doing a dab because this is.

17:09TonyIt's called Adware. It's called, what is it called again?

17:13BubblemanAdware Medic. Adware Medic. I believe. It's not a virus. It's a plug-in. I took it off my computer by myself, and it was pretty easy, I have to admit. Ad...ware...medic. Hack church. That's what we call it now. Hack church.

17:34ToddJeez. We could be hackers. It's been a while, but...

17:38BubblemanIt sounds like ransomware. It is ransomware.

17:43ToddIt kind of is.

17:44BubblemanRusty Shackleford says, I hope you have a system restore file.

17:49TonyWell, the guy goes, I go, well, how much is your service? And he's like, for $199? And I was like, $200? I was like, you guys are the ones that put it on my computer. He's like, oh, why would you say that? I was like, because it told me to call your number. Like, who else would have put it on my computer? Like, it doesn't make any sense.

18:11TonyLike, you're just randomly on there as this Computer geek in the world that, like, you're the only guys that can fix this problem.

18:18BubblemanAll right, I'm going to hijack this conversation and bring it over to Mark. Even though Todd was there as well, you both feel free to tell me about the Grateful Dead show last night, man. Come on.

18:32ToddI ran into Bob Snodgrass.

18:35BubblemanI saw the picture of you and Snoddy. I was like, fucking right.

18:39ToddOf course, as soon as I walk in, I look over, there's Bobby.

18:42BubblemanI was like, what?

18:44ToddWe gave each other hugs. I gave him weed. You're both gray now. Huh?

18:50SpeakerI said you're both gray now.

18:53ToddYeah, I should be a lot grayer considering my fucking life, but yeah, I'm on my way. I'm catching up. Rob told me I'm the new old guys. You are too, Mark, so ha ha. You too, ATN. Oh, you guys. You're the new old guys, I was told last night. How's that feel? You're at the beginning at the end of your life. Ha ha.

19:13BubblemanThat's cool. I can handle that. You know, from losing my father, I guess I was 33 or something, but he was 55 and he died quite suddenly in a motorcycle accident. And really what I learned from that, perspectively, is that getting old is a blessing and that anyone that sort of plays it off as anything other than a blessing can suck at something. I don't know what.

19:36BubblemanWhatever you want to suck. Just suck something because Love your life. Love that you're getting older. Appreciate it. So many people do not get to live into old age. So if you do, enjoy it, even if your liver's failing and you can't take a piss and you can't get a hard on, I don't know, whatever.

19:55ToddStill enjoy it. It's an accomplishment, really. I mean, if you start counting backwards on the clock and you realize not most of us even make it to 100, really we're just counting down to the end of our own party. We should all be celebrating, truthfully, and appreciating the fact that we're breathing.

20:10BubblemanStraight up. And I kind of feel that we are. Oxygen. Yeah.

20:15ToddNo, no, cannabinoids. Breathing in cannabinoids. Dude, the concert was great. It was really, really long, Mark. You would have loved it. And Rob surprised me with free ticket, brought me with him, and fucking we smoked delicious amounts of grass, and that was great.

20:29BubblemanDude, honestly, you lucked out, Todd, because to be at the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary with Trey and all those fucking amazing musicians, but to be there with Rob... Dude, that was Rob's choice.

20:42ToddRob dragged me along. I had to go all the way down to get him, but it was worth it. I had a great time, dude. It was so much fun. It was so much fun. Like, I started hanging out with Rob back in, really, I met him in 94, but we started being friends in 95, and that was the year Jerry died. And, obviously, we didn't have the opportunity to go hang out at any Great Dead shows and be stoners together, but at our first opportunity, we did.

21:04ToddIt was a great show, though. It was really fantastic.

21:08BubblemanI met him in 95 as well, but didn't really become friends with him until 96, when Hillary brought him to my house in Vancouver. And I don't know if he spent a night or two. I had some Nepali hash from back in the day. And it was quite a neat way to meet him. It really was.

21:27ToddThat would have been 97. Me and Hillary were in the whole year, all of 96. We didn't come back until the last week of December. And so we were there August to the very end of it. And then we were in Santa Barbara until January.

21:43BubblemanWell, he was back and forth because when I first moved to B.C. in 96, I saw her. And I remember her saying, should I go back to L.A. and stay with Todd?

21:53ToddThat was 97, bro. That was 97. I got to Castle in 97, February 2 or something like that, technically.

22:01BubblemanI guess because I'd always come back since 91 or 92. I'd only moved here in 96, so yeah, that would have been 97. I would have still seen her up. In 96 at the Cup, though, because I saw them 95, 96, and pretty much every Cup after.

22:17ToddYeah, the 96 Cup, we were there. We did the first Cannabis College at Positronics that year. I was his teacher's assistant. I organized it for Renard, and he was my teacher. Yeah, Dave was our heckler. It was a good time. How do you teach a weed class with Watson in the audience? It's pretty funny.

22:39AtnWell, and you had old Ed as well kind of chatting you as well, so it was a humorous amalgamation of iconoclast hashmakers and cannabis people, needless to say.

22:52ToddRight. No, that was a lot of fun, honestly. That was a long time ago, man, when you think about it. Almost 20 years ago. Doing cannabis classes. Gosh, Posse was so amazing. I wish there would be clones of that place everywhere at this point.

23:18BubblemanAlright, sorry about that guys. I am trying to fix this. I have a super laggy internet. I think I should have started it over before chat hashtags started. I kind of had a feeling that it was going to do this. Everyone's lagging, but hopefully it will record better than it is now. Streaming live right now, because I've shut everything, I've shut the chat room down, so if someone else wants to go into the YouTube chat room and keep an eye on everyone there and mention a few things that they say every once in a while, that would be helpful.

23:49BubblemanI've just got everything internet-wise shut off on this computer, because it's just not coming through very nice. Well, you're coming through clear, like you've never checked on it. Oh yeah, on my side, it's like all of the conversations are laughing. I can't click on, like if Todd goes to talk and I push on his camera, it doesn't happen fast enough. Just a little technical difficulties. I think what we need to do is have some coconut oil extract that D420K gave me.

24:20BubblemanYou guys have yours? Did he give you guys a jar? Everyone got it?

24:26BubblemanI find that the coconut oil is the best when taken... With some nuts. A little bit strong on its own.

24:37BubblemanReally delicious with some nuts. So I am feeding my endocannabinoid system. Smacking even. Saturating. Saturating my endocannabinoid system.

24:48TonyThank you for the adware medic, by the way it works.

24:53BubblemanBooyah! That's what we like to hear. So guys, 40 weeks. We've been gathering in church. I know not all of you were here in the early days. In fact, I went back and looked at some of the first hash churches and they were really like a random thing that I put forth and super random people used to come in for hash church. It'd be ten people. The first ten people to come in would fill it up.

25:20BubblemanAnd it was interesting. It was definitely good conversation. And at one point around between like I think Rob Clark came on at around five or six, episode five or six. And once Rob came on, I'll tell you, we had a panel. Literally. A little bit after that, the panel really sort of solidified. I hope to get Rob in again one day. I know he was probably partying hard at the Grateful Dead last night.

25:48ToddCan I surprise you? You can always surprise me, dude. Well, when he wakes up, I'm sure he's going to wander this way to do a dab, and we'll capture him for hashed dirt. I'm sure Rob will be loving that. I knew it was hard for him to set up a big net. Huh?

26:05BubblemanI think he's going to love that, the morning dab with his hair all up on the side and come out in his...

26:12AtnHe'll start off with a joint. You know it, Todd. Sure enough.

26:17TonyHow many people were at that Grateful Dead show, do you think?

26:20BubblemanGod, I thought 50,000. Was it less?

26:22ToddI'd say more. It was fucking packed.

26:25BubblemanOh, I'm not even talking about the lot. What was the lot like?

26:29ToddSupposedly, they sold 170,000 tickets to the California shows, and they sold 300,000 tickets to Chicago within a total of minutes, I think, minutes. Minutes. 300,000 tickets sold out as quickly as it could in Chicago, and that's what caused them to do this show. And this show was epic, dude. Now, I didn't know you could buy this, but they had a fucking rainbow above Levi's Stadium that looked organic, but I read somewhere that they threw down 50 grand for a rainbow.

27:01ToddI was like, I didn't even know you could buy a rainbow. Wait, what do you call a rainbow? Hi, I need a rainbow over Levi's Stadium. Oh, hold on a minute. What?

27:11SpeakerWhat they didn't pay is, it's two million for the unicorns, you know? Oh yeah, that's what I heard. Unicorns are mad expensive. Unicorns are only a half a million for the rainbow, you're right.

27:23ToddThat was really rad, man. I got to be frank. That was so cool. And you know what? It was a great show. I was afraid I was going to go there and have like a little mini fish concert, which I wasn't looking forward to. And it was not. Trey was great. He's a fantastic musician and he played great and it sounded great. And it's a little weird watching Bob and Phil lead the band, so to speak.

27:42ToddYou know, you kind of do miss Jerry, but... I agree. They're fantastic at it. To think that Bob Weir has attended every single Grateful Dead show that's ever been is pretty astounding when you think about it.

27:54AtnHow was Shakedown Street? Was there a Shakedown Street?

27:57ToddEverywhere, bro. They did tailgating from 2 o'clock in the afternoon until the start of the show at 7, and there were people everywhere. There was a decent cop presence, but truthfully, I didn't see anybody getting harassed or anything like that. And then You know, they want you to put all your stuff in this plastic clear bag like you're in fucking prison to go through customs, you know, to get into the stadium.

28:20ToddAnd all these people are standing there with plastic bags with all this shit in it, like weed, joints, bags of pot, and it's like, and it's okay. It's California. It's cool. It's the weapons, man.

28:33BubblemanIt sort of tripped me out that when I saw the stage, I listened to a lot of the show through Mixolar, which is a new app like Periscope that lets you stream audio sound, and it's fucking killer. What I was surprised at when I saw Trey and where they positioned him on the stage, I thought... Man, this guy's playing Jerry's licks. You've got to put him in the middle of the fucking stage.

28:57BubblemanLike, you've got him over on the side? And I know he's humble. Don't get me wrong. Trey probably wanted to stand on the side like, look, I'm not trying to fill Jerry's shoes in any way, shape, or form. But I didn't hear what I thought I'd hear in the earlier songs. I think that has to do with the fact that they played a lot of these sort of late 60s.

29:15ToddThey played all old songs, Mark. Almost all, they've been playing Steven. That's like the first time I think they've played him forever.

29:21BubblemanSteven was amazing.

29:22ToddThat shit was good. That was really good. See, I thought that putting Trey over to the right of Phil was totally appropriate. And not to be weird, but like, it would have been weird in a way to have him standing in the spot where I think Jerry used to stand and pretend that he was, you know, really being Jerry. I mean, he was just there. playing lead guitar and background vocals and he did sing a couple like leads but you know it was not the Trey show it was totally a dead show and it was really I mean Trey's I'm not the biggest Phish fan, to be really blunt, but he's a fantastic musician and he did a great job.

30:05ToddI mean, he gets, I think, you know, I think he did. I can't, it has to be the ultimate Deadhead fantasy to be a kid that used to go to the concerts, to becoming a great musician and amassing your own band and your own following, to being invited by the band you used to adore to come stand in for the guitarist that you used to emulate. It's pretty incredible.

30:24BubblemanWell, and you know that Trey stopped listening to Jerry because he didn't want to sound like him anymore and he wanted to create his own sound and that was a big sacrifice for him to stop.

30:33ToddSupposedly it was because people were criticizing him that he sounded so much like Jerry. His style was so much like Jerry. So supposedly he stopped listening to Jerry to try to, you know, find his own voice but he obviously had to revert back to this when he played because, dude, they played for a long time until midnight. They took an hour break but he killed it.

30:54BubblemanFish has done seven hour sets, bro. Like, Trey can rock for a long time. Like, who the fuck plays seven hour?

31:00ToddBut he's playing his own music. But he's playing his own music and he's jamming jazz with his friends.

31:07BubblemanHis own music is over a thousand songs and they play anything. This was in Seminole, Florida when they played from Midnight to Sunrise. I think it was about 7 in the morning. 7 out set. And that wasn't, that was just one set.

31:21ToddThe difference is this. Is if I go to watch Trey play Fish, I'm not going to make any comments about what he does. He can bend notes and play with things and fucking do whatever he wants. It's his songs. He wrote them. But when he goes to play the Dead Show, he's kind of expected to play it correctly. Like he's kind of expected to make it sound like he's not there and it's the guy we all miss.

31:41ToddAnd he pulled it off. He did. He did. He was precise. I figured he would.

31:46BubblemanI had no... I mean, honestly, who else could have? Who else could do that?

31:51ToddWarren Haynes. Other than him, I don't know.

31:55TonyWarren Haynes could have pulled it off.

31:58BubblemanYeah, maybe Warren Haynes. Warren Haynes is an incredible guitar, but he's also, like, he's got this, like, Warren sound, you know? Like, I guarantee you, you let people listen to that St. Stephen in those opening notes, and they hit... You know, and you just say, hey, who's that? I mean, personally, I laugh hard, Todd, because when Trey was first invited to play with Phil and friends at the Warfield, and they played those three nights, and they fucking slaughtered it, I used to put that bootleg on for hardcore deadheads.

32:31BubblemanI mean hardcore. And they would just be sitting there going, oh my god, Jerry is fucking like... Those fucking, I'm like, dude, this is not Jerry. Should have seen their face, bro. And not one or two, but like half a dozen of my good friends that toured, did 100 plus shows, you know, are hardened fucking edits. They didn't know. And that's how beautiful those shows were if you listen to those Warfield shows with, I think Mike might have been too, to be honest.

32:59ToddI gotta tell you what struck the fuck out of me, bro, is all the 70-year-old hippies at this thing.

33:04AtnI bet.

33:05ToddThere were so many walkers and so many strollers and, like, old people were enforced, man. And, like, some of these grandmas that you see, you don't just look at her and think, oh, yeah, deadhead, but I guess you'd have to have been if you were into them in the 70s or 60s or whatever. It's pretty funny. It was cool, though. I mean, good vibe. Everybody was friendly.

33:32ToddFifty years of playing music is amazing, and to have that kind of an audience show up after you've been doing it for five decades... Yeah, that's amazing.

33:42BubblemanI got a lesser experience with the Rolling Stones. I saw their 50th anniversary concert last... I guess last year. And it was also... Quite a thing to just see these old fucking dudes just laying it down so hard. I was kind of like, wow, they're still rocking hard. I went and saw Sabbath, Black Sabbath. Ozzy's voice fell off. Geezer and Tony Iommi, they held it the whole time.

34:09BubblemanThey had this young drummer behind them that was inspirational. But when you watch these concerts and the people are getting older, our worst nightmare is to see it lackluster, is to see it not be exactly what you want it to be, to have it be anything less than that, that one weird moment where you're like, oh dude, that was, I'm not sure that was good. That's always difficult for me.

34:33BubblemanDo you mean like Fat Elvis? Like that experience? Yeah, you know, Fat Elvis is one good way to put it. I mean, I guess, you know, anyone that's ever seen Bob Dylan play an amazing concert and then gone the next time and seen him be really drunk and play like the worst concert ever. It's kind of like that, where you're just like so disappointed. You're like, really, bro?

34:55BubblemanLike, legend status? And you're just going to come out here all pissed drunk and fucking flail around and not give us a great concert?

35:02ToddWait a minute, though. Not to be rude, man. You know, they're not robots. They're human. And we can't have this expectation of rockers fucking having a good life and partying and chicks and hotel parties and all this shit if they're not going to have off days. I mean, you know, I saw The Dylan and the Dead a long time ago, and I fucking loved it. Two people complained about that show, but it was like, you know, what do you expect?

35:25ToddI mean, you know. Expect a great show. It's a great show.

35:29BubblemanThat's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Someone like Zakir Hussain, he can play a concert after the death of his father and play the most beautiful fucking heart-wrenching emotional thing, have everyone in the audience crying. Big surprise. He's a professional musician who's not fucking laying into the coke and into the booze and into the partying. He's a professional and when he gets on the stage... He plays beautiful music each and every time.

35:51BubblemanZakir Hussain, check him out, tabla player. Played with Ravi Shankar and all these other fucking great legendary Indian musicians. They take that shit a little differently. It's a spiritual experience and it really doesn't matter how they feel. When they get out on that stage, they're going to transcend how they feel. They're going to give us a great experience. I do expect a lot from my musicians, I must say.

36:13BubblemanBut I don't go and see a hundred shows in a row. You know, I'm going to go see one show. I want it to be a good one. It doesn't have to be the best, but put your heart into it, boys. Don't be drunk. That's a shame. Damn shame.

36:26ToddI don't know. I'm pretty forgiving. I don't know if I would have liked a straight Jerry the whole fucking time, dude, to be honest with you.

36:32BubblemanI don't mind. Yeah, not out on heroin. It's just the booze one. Booze seems to have the worst effect. I'm not saying don't drink drugs. Don't be inspired. By all means.

36:45ToddI don't want all the fucking kids in the world to start off sounding like Justin Bieber. I would like a little fucking, a little life in there.

36:52TonyI was going to say, coming from the music side of everything, because I played guitar my whole life.

36:57ToddI don't want bankers becoming rock stars.

37:03TonyI was just going to say that when you're talking about American rock and roll in any format from the 60s on forward, Fortunately and unfortunately, drugs are a big part of it.

37:21ToddBill Hicks talked about, if you're against drugs, go home and throw away all your old albums.

37:31BubblemanThat was actually about cannabis, not drugs.

37:35ToddNo, he talks about drugs. Drugs and music.

37:38BubblemanThey were on weed or were they... I can't remember the... Yeah, I'm mixing up my Bill Hicks, but he definitely has some brilliant fucking... Bill Hicks was one of my favorites by far.

37:47ToddOh, dude, Pot Should Be Mandatory is awesome. Awesome.

37:52BubblemanSon of a Preacher, you know? That can only come from the son of a preacher.

37:57TonyI mean, the thing is, though, like, you know, you look at the 60s, that's some of my favorite times of music and things, but, you know, music's a product of its time and environment, and it's not to say that You know, heavy use of heroin and acid is a long, sustainable thing. That's what a rocker is. He's going to rock it to the bone, and he's going to live what it is at that moment.

38:22TonyAnd, yeah, we know now doing, you know, large amounts of heroin and acid, you're not going to live past probably 30 years old.

38:31ToddAnd don't talk about acid, man.

38:33TonyDon't talk about acid. Heroin. Yeah, I'm talking about the 60s. I mean, they did everything all at the same time.

38:39SpeakerYeah, Dr. Huffman was old. Yeah, Keith has to do a demo. Where's the LSD problem with aging?

38:50TonyNo, there's no problem with the aging. I was just saying that it's just all kinds of drugs have influenced music throughout the time. So in the 60s, they combined a lot of things in. People didn't really know what those effects would be, but when you combine, especially the heroin, you know, and that shaped a lot of music. People don't want to talk about it, but it did.

39:12TonyYou know, and it's one of those things that's... Yeah, absolutely.

39:16SpeakerYou could see market decline in Jerry's health as heroin became more his drug of choice, and so if you look at A snapshot between 1980s, say, the Radio City run where he's just sort of salt and pepper gray and maybe a little bit of a paunch, I mean not really overweight by any imagination, and follow him year by year from 1980 to 81 to 82 to 83 until he gets to 85, you can just see his weight increasing exponentially.

39:53SpeakerAlong with the sort of high-pitched squeal that was in his voice, his guitar playing, you know, for somebody who cut his teeth during the 80s, I saw hundreds of grateful dead shows in the 1980s, and I mean, his guitar playing was just amazing. He was ripping during those years. But yeah, you saw him literally decline in health, and that was a direct impact of, Thank you for watching.

40:49SpeakerBack in 1991, and it's like watching fish grow up, certainly, and seeing them sort of be in the shadow of sort of where Grateful Dead and some of the other jam bands started to become, which was that after Jerry died, it seemed like a torch needed to be passed, not only musically, but just this whole culture of people who follow bands around and You know, make their living by selling trinkets and parking lots and occasionally swinging in, you know, illegal activities, but certainly all kinds of legal activities that benefited the communities of wherever this traveling circus went.

41:34SpeakerAnd, you know, one of the things that Phish does and that emulates the Grateful Dead is they create this sense of family and, you know, it came from being able to tape the band early on to The band's connection to the audience. And, you know, I think that Trey emulates what Carlos Santana refers to as the hose. So the hose is the energy that flows through the musician.

42:04SpeakerAnd it doesn't originate with the musician. It comes from the crowd and all the energy that's around him flows through the musician. And the music and the notes is kind of like the water and you're just kind of like spraying the crowds And so Trey, I think, is one of the masters of being able to channel that energy that comes from all around him into his playing and certainly listening to him play St. Stephen.

42:32SpeakerEven the notes just before St. Stephen, Mark, if you listen like the five minutes before it led into St. Stephen, I'm not liking the vocals, what happened last night. I think they needed to give Trey a little bit more room I think playing Born Cross-Eyed, albeit very bold, is just not appropriate for that venue. They have such a rich Collection of wonderful music that's simple and easy to play.

43:01SpeakerFor them to play something like Born Cross-Eyed, which is a very atonal, arhythmic song that you have to be high on acid to understand. It was just very bold. The What's Become of the Baby rap that Phil did, I thought it was his donor rap. It sounded like he was having a stroke or something. It just didn't sound very entertaining. I could see somebody Say, oh, these guys are all washed up, they're all on drugs or whatever.

43:28SpeakerBut I think Trey shined. I think Trey, the musicianship that he brought last night was just absolutely superb. His rendering of the Cream Puff War, which I don't think the Grateful Dead ever played live, or if they only did, they only did a handful of times. Watch, that will be coming to the Fish Catalog. I know that they're going to bust that out later on this summer on Fish Tour.

43:52SpeakerBut I know a lot of people after hearing last night who don't want to go to Chicago now because they thought they completely flailed that it was a lifeless performance that was only rescued by the fact that Trey was up there being the musician that he was. Mickey's drum set was weird. It had no symbols. There were no symbols at all on Mickey's drum set. It was kind of like strange.

44:15SpeakerAnd it almost seems like Hornsby wasn't there at all. I didn't hear Hornsby's piano in the mix. He's got the best voice on that stage, and it was silent until Casey Jones at the very end. So I think that there could have been a more better plan that that group of players could have executed last night. Again, What's Become of the Baby and Born Cross-Eyed, I think just completely inappropriate.

44:44SpeakerThey should have played Bertha, Franklin's Tower. They should have played tunes where people were... It should have been a celebration of just the goodness of the Grateful Dead and not the weirdness that it's become in the absence of what truly is a band led by Jerry Garcia. And now the egos of Phil and Bobby just seem to kind of get in the way. I watched a whole set of Fish this morning and said, God damn, I just love Trey Anastasio.

45:17SpeakerI love fish. It makes me appreciate fish even more after watching that performance last night. I'm going to buy the performance again tonight, and I'll watch the YouTube thing. And I got expensive hotel rooms in Chicago and expensive flights, and I could probably just spend that money out on fish tour and have a better time. But those shows are historic. For me, I'll just sum up by saying I asked my wife to marry me 20 years ago at Soldier Field, so we're going back.

45:47SpeakerFor the celebration of our 20 year anniversary of that reunion, but it's kind of like 20 years ago, what did we have? We had Samba in the Rain, Jerry forgetting a lot of lyrics, Jerry doing too much heroin, Riots at the Gate. 1995 was a horrible year for Grateful Dead. I'd like to think of it as not The 20-year anniversary of 1995, but the 30-year anniversary of 1985, when we were fucking smoking the best weed in the country, doing the best acid, and a fucking dead tour in 1985, now that's something to fucking celebrate.

46:30Speaker30 years so far, baby.

46:32BubblemanWe're at mid-lap.

46:34SpeakerMy rant.

46:36BubblemanLittle Brent Midland. I appreciate that, Mark. I had no idea you were as big of a fish head as that. I'm also a very big fish fan. I have not seen them in many, many, many years, but I was lucky enough to see them in the early 90s as well. I saw Baby Gramps open up for them here at the Commodore Ballroom in 93. And pretty much from there on, I've cruised around.

46:57BubblemanI caught their Halloween show in 94 where they played the entire White Album just for their second set. They also played a first set and a third set. It was a five and a half to six hour long concert. I'd never really experienced anything like it before.

47:12SpeakerTrey is so artistic and he collaborates so well. And if anyone ever gets a chance to see him play His symphonic shows, I saw him first play with the Portland Symphony Orchestra just last fall. Absolutely amazing. He is an amazing musician. He's a genius when it comes to writing. I love his musicality. I think right now, after basically filling Garcia's shoes like no one else can, a lot of people don't like Fish on the Grateful Dead scene, and I get that.

47:46SpeakerWe've heard that all throughout the years, but You know, there's nothing that could speak against his musicality and what he brings to any musical collaboration that he's ever done has always been really good, top notch, at least in my musical taste. And when there's so much good music today in the world, people, I mean, don't just consume yourself with all these has-been, you know, Grateful Dead, you know, I don't know, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, all these, you know, Rolling Stones, Reunion Band, Go see people like the people at Delfest.

48:22SpeakerThere's great bluegrass music happening. Go see Trombone Shorty. Trombone Shorty is an incredible entertainer. He is a little bit of Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, Ray Charles, and Stevie Wonder all rolled up into one. He's one of the most incredible entertainers that are out there today. So I totally support everyone going to see live music because there's nothing like live music that will move you. Totally agree.

48:49AtnTodd, what are we all smoking at the Dead Show? Let's get some, you know, what are we all tasting on?

48:59ToddWe're smelling weed.

49:02ToddWe smoked hash. We smoked a ton of shit. Actually, we had a ridiculous amount of stuff. It would be like a laundry list of fucking stash. But it was cool. They let us in. Oh, my God. But it was a lot of fun. We smoked mostly joints, and we had a dab stick. And everybody was smoking everywhere, I bet. Yeah, dude, it was everywhere. It was a big, it was, yeah, it was a huge smoke-out.

49:35BubblemanWelcome, Cuban. Boom! Hey, got cups? Got cups?

49:43TonyIt's the hash king and the hash queen. Yeah, they are. The king and queen right there.

49:49SpeakerAnd I'm missing one of the cups that my boy Exotic has at his cream.

49:54BubblemanCongratulations.

49:56SpeakerI am retiring after the next cup and after Legends of Hash. I'm not competing anymore. I don't think I have anything left to prove.

50:06BubblemanWell, that's what happened.

50:09SpeakerDry Sift is number one, baby.

50:13BubblemanYeah, it's hard to deny. Dry Sift is number one. That's pretty much what Skunkman Sam's been saying for about 35 years.

50:22BubblemanNumber one.

50:24TonyJJ did the same thing. He won Legends three times in a row and then he doesn't compete anymore.

50:29SpeakerYeah. I'm happy in particular for NorCal's results because I didn't make any of the hash. I taught my wife how to make hash in December. I bought her a kit of screens for Christmas and I wrote on them, I wrote future award winner. And I taught Exotic how to make hash and he made the cookies and cream entry. And it was cool to see both of my friends up there.

50:55SpeakerMy wife getting first place and my friend Mike getting second place. It really made me excited, but it also made me a little hungry. So for Portland, I'm going to make all the entries and I want to see myself up there again, you know what I mean, as the final hoorah. The final hoorah, huh? Yeah.

51:17BubblemanTake all three. Just take them all, dude.

51:21SpeakerI'm putting in six entries, and I'm letting people know this is the last time to go at the Cuban grower. I'm putting in three dry sieves, and I'm putting in three fire-ass water hash. And I posted some pictures of some water hash yesterday, but they're all full plant, fresh frozen, very, very, very greasy. Nice to see you making water hash. Yeah, man. I almost felt like I didn't know how to make water hash anymore until I got those 32-gallon bags, boy.

51:48SpeakerThey're nice.

51:50BubblemanI like them. They'll get the job done for certain. They will extract those resin headies.

51:57SpeakerYeah. You know, at first I had the three-quarter inch fitting on the bottom, and then I started thinking about it. It was draining so slow. I'm like, man, why even have like a drain line? So I just cut a giant circle under the bottom first trash can, and brother, I'm able to pump three 20-gallon washers through my bags. Thank you for watching.

52:39BubblemanYou can do a lot with bubble bags and machines. And I mean, people that were asking me like, oh yeah, we need a special industrial machine. I'm like, really? Or do you just need like a couple bubble nows and like six 20-gallon kits with like four dudes and you could just run through? I don't care if you have 900 pounds or 500 pounds. Like you just, that is doable.

53:01BubblemanYou just turn it into kilos. Each wash is a kilo and get her done.

53:06SpeakerCan you imagine if you end up fucking up the wash and you have like 20 pounds, 30 pounds and you do that pour and it just doesn't come out as gentle as it would have through a 20 gallon machine? That's what goes through my head. It's like I have control with my 20 gallons but what if I stick a whole nine set of full plants in a Thank you for watching.

53:37BubblemanWho run 1 and 200 gallon mixers and use special paddle drills on certain... They understand thrashing and they understand the amounts of material that are in the water versus the ice versus the... They have a very good understanding of those relationships and how the resin comes down and how much can fall before you need to pull. These are super important things that are all variables that 99% of people would fuck up Beyond fucking up.

54:08BubblemanAnd those are expensive fuck-ups. Like you're saying, right? Dude, I think I'd rather just, maybe for the beginning, just run these 20s. And then, you know, because they're just relationships. All they are is a relationship of how much water, how much ice, how much material, how much space, and how much force to mix all of that within that space. And then it's about understanding the resin and how it falls.

54:33BubblemanAnd how it can be, you know, caught up on itself. What's the best way to filter that through those screens? So I don't pretend to think bags are going to be the future of water extraction. I think that we will get to the industrial process. Hey, welcome guys. Good timing on that one.

54:51SpeakerHey, how's it going?

54:53BubblemanTalking about the future of water hash, you know, and seeing that Cuban was sort of saying how he likes the idea of the 32 gallons, he can control it. The idea of going too big and over-mixing or under-mixing or putting not too much ice in or too much water, the hole's too small, whatever, and fucking that up on a, say, 25-pound to 40-pound run.

55:16SpeakerYeah, that's a scary thing.

55:19BubblemanIt's a scary thing. That is a scary thing.

55:22SpeakerWe have a lot of money in one machine at that point in time. I mean, I know we don't necessarily like to talk about resin and weed as far as like, I don't know, as far as money terms, but just even the amount of labor, that time that people have spent growing it, it's just, there's a lot of things that have happened up to that point for us to have the fresh frozen whole plants in that amount or the dry pounds in that amount.

55:46SpeakerSo to put that much in one machine... As of right now, where it hasn't been done many times, it's still a scary thought. Absolutely.

55:58BubblemanYeah. It is indeed. I mean, I do know some people that are doing it, and they do it well, and they produce incredible product, and there are... I think really where I was going with this is I think that the future... We'll be guys like these hash makers like Trichome Heavy Extracts and Cuban and the Bizarre Brothers, Bubble Man, the Mickey Keys, all of these different hash makers who are constantly making hash.

56:27BubblemanThey've got a facility, hash is being made. To get a brilliant engineer or two to come into that room and hang out and sit and watch and learn the process, I don't think it's going to come from the mind of an extractor. I think it's going to come from the mind of a person like an engineer who thinks in those terms, who can come in and industrialize the process, but only after fully understanding every little variable about the resin and how it changes and how warmth and heat And coolness and the shape of the ice and the quality of the water and all of these little variables, until they can understand those variables, it'll be hard to industrialize this process in a proper way.

57:14SpeakerMy opinion. Word. And big ups to Essential Extracts too, man. We start talking about water hash and everybody comes out of the woodwork at the same time.

57:24BubblemanYeah, that's fucking awesome.

57:26SpeakerYeah. You know, another thing I did as an experiment The temperatures here are reaching close to the hundreds, so my water temperatures and things like that are suffering. So I bought 20 pounds of dry ice, and what I would do is I'd fill my washer, throw some dry ice in it to get the water temperature to go from like 70 to 40 or so, and then throw my ice in there, let the water get really cold, and then put my material in the washer.

57:54SpeakerAnd it was pretty cool. I didn't notice anything negative. Definitely wouldn't use dry ice solely as a form of

58:01TonyHave you tried nitrogen injection into the water yet?

58:06SpeakerNo, but if I can do something as opposed to just wasting ice, that would be great. Actually, next week, because of this summer shit, I had to set up an appointment with an ice company and they're going to install a 400 pound ice machine in my lab. That will alleviate my problems.

58:25ToddNice, yeah, yeah. We got an 800-pound machine. It saved our lives, man. It was awesome.

58:31SpeakerYo, Ken. It's nice to meet you, bro.

58:35ToddHey, I missed you this weekend, man. How you been?

58:38SpeakerI'm good, man. You know, I kicked it with the jitterbug. I didn't really have anybody to watch him, and it was Father's Day, so I stayed back with the pup and my kid. But, you know, I had to give my lady the opportunity to have a good time. No, for sure, man. For sure. She brought me this.

58:54ToddI was up on family vacation myself.

58:57SpeakerLook at my Father's Day gift.

59:00ToddThat's awesome, man. Congrats, dude.

59:03BubblemanThanks, brother. Hey, welcome back, Jeff.

59:10BubblemanI'm dropping some compressed nitrogen.

59:14SpeakerYou're not huffing that or, you know, nitrogen injecting your bong water? Have you tried that yet? We tried carbon water once. It was different. Hey, look, the real champ, by the way. Are you guys on video that don't know this is the Cuban Hash Queen? Cuban Hash Queen, congratulations. Cup winner.

59:41BubblemanSo I just had my friend send me a message. It's a video of what looks to be a humpback whale that just surfaced out in front of my house. Everyone's running to their boats to go hang out with this whale. Oops. I love living near the ocean, man. So crazy. The world is getting better, not just worse. I can tell you from first-hand experience, not everywhere, but I can tell you in this little part of the world, this little chunk of ocean used to be sicker, and we never had dolphins, and the whales never came in here, and the salmon runs were small, and then, you know, one day they figured out this guy up north who was trying to breed herring, He had put these big logs into the back side of the sound, tons of them, like hundreds of them, and they were soaked in like creosote.

1:00:29BubblemanAnd it was killing the membranes of the eggs of the herring, and the herring population died in the house sound, and the herring population fed the sea lions, the seals, the dolphins, the whales. And so it just sort of like, when I moved here, the house sound wasn't very alive, and in the last... Five to ten years since they pulled these things out and since they closed a pulp factory, a paper and pulp factory in the back of Gambier Island, basically we now have like three to four varieties of whales, we have schools of dolphins numbering in the hundreds, we have sea lions and seals, we have like healthy, we have a, two years ago we had a world, our record for salmon, it was 26 million salmon spawned Up into all these little areas.

1:01:16BubblemanIt was quite something. Salmon just jumping everywhere. You could literally just cast a rod and pull a 10 to 15 pound salmon out of the water. It was beautiful. For those of you that appreciate salmon. For those of you that don't, well, take a dab.

1:01:32SpeakerYo, is it still, not is it still, is it hot where you're at? Because it's so hot here.

1:01:37BubblemanAre you killing me, bro? It's so hot, it's ridiculous.

1:01:41SpeakerIt's so hot, dude. My lab, I have two tons of AC in this like 300 square foot area and the sun hits it for about, you know, 70% of the day and it stays at like 69, 70 degrees when I'm usually able to get it down into the 40s, man. Horrible. The summer is not good for making hash. No.

1:02:08BubblemanYou've got to chase winter.

1:02:12BubblemanHashmakers, unite. We'll all head down to Chile. Or just build beautiful giant walk-in freezers. I mean, that's just my dream right there. My walk-in freezer hash room.

1:02:30AtnSo hey, we've got to give a shout out to Shona Banda, that lady who was in Kansas who was arrested or had her children taken away. She's actually in jail right now. Jesus. So unfortunately she had to surrender and as far as I know she's still in jail unless anybody has heard otherwise. So please be aware that, you know, as much as we love our freedom, there's still those out there that unfortunately still, Suffering by not having theirs, and including a mother who medicated and lost her child due to it now.

1:03:08AtnFace is up to 30 years, so it's hard to be a downer. Shona Bander is her name, S-H-O-N-B-A-N-D-A. There's Facebooks, and she's been quietly making through the news, but there's been so much in the news with... Health care and the gay marriage and everything else that she unfortunately has been kind of lost in the news.

1:03:36BubblemanSo is her story that she had Crohn's and she started using cannabis and then her 11-year-old son was listening to a drug dare type person at school and kind of said, hey, you know, I don't think that's true. You know, my mom uses it and heals herself with it and then they kind of kept questioning him and then eventually took the kid away. Is this the same story?

1:03:58AtnCorrect. The one, the exact story. And it's only sadly escalated and gotten worse and more horrific. So, you know, we have to raise some awareness if we can. Todd just posted a link. It's just really sad what can happen to an individual in this day and age. On top of that, there is a veteran in Kansas as well. A Marine, a combat veteran who grew six plants is also in jail right now.

1:04:31AtnI posted that also on my Facebook during the week. Hold on, let me get that.

1:04:36BubblemanNow this is all just ridiculous. We've got to figure something out in a way that we can at least offer some help or guidance to expose these sort of unnecessary... Experiences, I mean, why?

1:04:52AtnOkay, this is the war veteran. I face the life sentence. Christopher with a K, Lewandowski, the husband and father of three former war veteran is facing life in prison for growing six marijuana plants in Oklahoma. Six plants, people. I mean, think about that. We have that somewhere, potentially.

1:05:17ToddWhat happened to that freedom he was fighting for? How many tours of duty fighting for the freedom in America and he can't grow six fucking flowers? Arrested him in front of an elementary school? Yeah, really classy. Overflowers, everybody. Seriously, when will it friggin' end? I'm really happy about gay marriage and stuff, but seriously, when are we going to be allowed to be green? I mean, you know, you've got to go to these concerts and watch them serve beer and alcohol hand over fist like it's fucking candy, and they're going to take people down like this?

1:05:51ToddIt's just, I'm so disgusted, just to be honest.

1:05:57AtnWell, just a reminder, we still have work to do. We still have awareness, and if you people are out there, Both of these people have petitions out there. Do Google searches for Shona Banda and Christopher Lewandowski. Sign their petitions. Spread the word. Make people aware. You want to do something, this is your way that you can actually contribute and get involved all throughout the week. Call people.

1:06:20AtnMake them aware. Make them know. You know, let the media know what's going on. Don't let these people have to rot away in prison unjustly. We have a voice. You have a voice. So use it.

1:06:33BubblemanYeah, I would only add that if we could get those links posted in the Hash Church group, it's a private closed group, so you can post in there and it won't show up on your Facebook. But please join because it gives us all kind of a place to interact outside of Hash Church as well as the FullMeltBubble.com chat room which I have opened up now for people that want to come in for a Hash Church chat between Hash Church.

1:07:00AtnI'll post it on Facebook now.

1:07:03BubblemanExcellent. Yeah, put them in Hash Church there.

1:07:09BubblemanForty weeks of getting together and talking about the endocannabinoid system and talking about phytocannabinoids, talking about the different abilities that those cannabinoids have through the endocannabinoid system and the regulation of biological functions.

1:07:27ToddHey, Mark. What's up? I'm going to jump off for a minute and come back with a special guest.

1:07:32BubblemanOkay, buddy. We'll see you soon, brother.

1:07:34ToddI'll be back in like five, ten minutes.

1:07:37BubblemanOkay. Well, that'll be nice for Todd to come back with a special guest. We always appreciate special guests. Very much. 622 people watching. I haven't been able to watch the chat. If any of you guys are able to, please do. Just so we're not leaving them out completely out of the loop. There might be people asking questions in there. There might be people trying to get our attention.

1:08:02BubblemanThere might be someone in there causing all sorts of ruckus by being a troll. I don't know. I hope someone's watching it. Someone's paying attention. You're talking, Cuban, but you're mute.

1:08:12SpeakerOh, my bad. Yeah, I got these new headset, or this new headset, bro, and it's not as nice as my old one. I can't, like, mute myself, so I'm having a hard time. But yeah, I like the chat, man. There's a lot of people in there. Sometimes they talk about interesting topics, man, so I jump in, you know what I mean? You got to show love to them.

1:08:29SpeakerYou got 600 plus people there. John's in the chat.

1:08:32BubblemanYeah, John's holding it down for us in chat, and D420K is on his way down here. We should see him soon. Yeah, you know, I've been doing Periscope a lot lately, and one of the things I found about Periscope is that the people who watch, they really create the quality of the Periscope and the quality of what I end up saying based on little things that they just ask, simple questions.

1:08:56BubblemanProbably one of my best Periscopes was when a guy was just being really anti-kind of herb and asking all these like, oh, so weed helps your brain questions. Weed helps it. And I was just able to answer him each time. Man, I'll tell you, after about 40 minutes, I think he was a convert. 40 minutes. And he didn't really troll full. He was just kind of like being a little bit pessimistic, so.

1:09:20BubblemanNot sure if you guys have been checking out Periscope, but check it out if you have not. It's a good, fun little app. You can check me out on there at bcbubbleman. Ooh. Taking a shit already, huh?

1:09:38BubblemanYou're putting the pumps right in below the bags?

1:09:41SpeakerNo. One of my 20-gallon machines I'm noticing is not draining all the way anymore. It drains about two, three inches from the base of the washer.

1:09:54BubblemanCall my office because that is guaranteed something super simple like the belt needing tightened or some little screw. And if it's necessary, they'll just send you a whole new pump. Like boom. But they won't need to. It's usually 9 out of 10 times just a little thing that from the shaking of the unit might have gotten loose or whatever. If it's the pump, they'll just send you a new one and it's really easy to change.

1:10:19BubblemanCool.

1:10:19SpeakerYeah, I was going to try to stick a mag drive in there or something similar, but if it's a simple solution, then I'm down.

1:10:28BubblemanIt should be. You let me know, but call them and let them know. They go through all the troubleshooting for those things, so they've heard it all. You just tell them exactly what it's doing, and they'll be like, okay, it's either this, this, or this, and here's your new pump, or fucking tighten this, or pull this back a little.

1:10:43SpeakerWord. Yo, Tony, and I don't know if you guys keep it confidential, but I saw a video on Jib's page, and he has a washer that has such a unique motion in the way it spins. It spins really fast to the left, and then really fast to the right, and then really fast to the left, and it doesn't look like my washer. So I'm just curious what model washer that is, because it looks dope.

1:11:09TonyUm... I'm not sure if you want that. I'm not sure what that... I put my liberty to say.

1:11:17SpeakerI see. Because it just looks like it throws down the yields, man, by the way it spins.

1:11:24TonyYeah, he's got... Chip spent, like, that's all... Chip spent a long time and, like, concluded on this particular washer, and I thought it was pretty cool, and it's, like, kind of all him, so you know what I mean?

1:11:41SpeakerI'll ask him next time I'm able to talk to him. But I definitely noticed that he has a really nice washing, so if he put in time into it, then yeah, I can tell.

1:11:50TonyHe's just, let me ask him. He could say no.

1:11:54BubblemanThey were just in here. What happened to them? They went away for a bit? Went to make hash?

1:12:00TonyNo, they said Windows updates kicked me off.

1:12:04BubblemanOh, shit.

1:12:06TonyWell, damn. Hold on, let me ask him. Cuban wants to know, What washer do you guys use?

1:12:18BubblemanI love the idea of a washer in the future having an ice maker and a chiller to keep the water at like 3 to 4 degrees Celsius all the time, with or without ice.

1:12:29SpeakerSo if you were able to put in some cold ass water into the washer...

1:12:34TonyYeah.

1:12:34SpeakerYou would not need ice, period, right? No. Just the agitation of the washer and the cold enough water will create the effect?

1:12:44BubblemanBut ice is definitely a good idea to actually bash back and forth and break those heads off.

1:12:50TonyThe shape of the ice is important, too, as you know. Of course. The type of ice and how clean the ice is is important.

1:13:00SpeakerIce is hard to make, bro. Just to be real with you, even with RO water, to get it clear, you've got to freeze it a certain way. If you freeze it too fast, it doesn't come out right, too many bubbles. My friend's been playing with these giant round ice cubes, slow freezing them. I have an old man down the street from me. He owns this little corner store.

1:13:25SpeakerHe's a big outdoor grower. He has a nice ice fishing and RO system, so he hooks it up. As long as I run his outdoor, you know.

1:13:34TonyI just ordered 500 pound half cube RO system with ice.

1:13:45SpeakerNice. Ice machines are pricey, bro.

1:13:48TonyYeah, they're pricey, but they're pricey. There's no, I mean, it's, you gotta have that. Like, that's important.

1:13:59TonyI think Bubble Man's filtration system on his water was more expensive than the commercial ice machine system.

1:14:11TonyThe system that you posted, Bubble Man, a while ago, it might have been, I don't know, a year or so. I mean, it was like this crazy water filtration system. Yep, yep. How much was that today, like 7 Gs?

1:14:26BubblemanOh, more than that. Brand new?

1:14:28TonyYeah.

1:14:29BubblemanThat thing was about 12K.

1:14:35TonyYeah, the ice machines, they run about like four grand, like the good ones. Like just the water filtration. Now, those machines, you're right, are finicky because they have a computer. And if you get your water too pure, like zero, zero, zero, and it's hard for the machine to recognize and make ice. It's strange. So you have to like kind of like understand how the machine works and manipulate it sometimes.

1:15:00SpeakerWord. Yeah, I found on Craigslist a deal for, I think it was $150 a month with a 600 pound bin and a 400 pound a day ice maker. And it's like $200 to install. And I'm about to wash my whole crop, so it seems like a no-brainer. I definitely spend a lot more than $150 a month on ice.

1:15:26TonyYeah.

1:15:27BubblemanWe have... A factory in Vancouver that you can buy pallets for 300 Canadian. It's about 1,500 pounds of ice. Pills the back of your pickup truck up.

1:15:38SpeakerWow. By the winter, that would be dope. But when I stick the ice in the back of my wife's Prius, and it's like, you know, a hell of pounds. By the time I get home, I have to spend... 8 hours deep freezing it again because it's kind of, you know, not as cold as it should be.

1:15:55BubblemanWell, that's the beautiful thing of getting a pallet. When you get a pallet, there's a thermocline that's created from that amount of ice and it protects itself from melting. I've watched it under a tarp outside in the summer and not fucking melt. Like, it's almost unbelievable how fucking... You can feel it like 4 feet away. As you get close to it, you can be like... Fuck, this thing is like actually controlling the temperature around it right now.

1:16:24SpeakerThat would be sick, especially since with the Amman I plan on washing.

1:16:31BubblemanOh, sounds like 420k is here. Nice. Yeah, I just heard his motorcycle drive up the driveway. Better make some room for the guy. My dog's going to bark at him. Do we need to read more Green Buds and Hash, or should we smoke some Green Buds and Hash?

1:16:47SpeakerSmoke the green bugs and ash.

1:16:51BubblemanI'm not going to smoke green hash, though.

1:16:57SpeakerOh, yeah, bro. What is that, some water hash?

1:17:01BubblemanThat's a little bit of rosin. Yesterday on Periscope, I took a hit of this rosin and Horatio's LHO distillate dipped into Horatio's THCA.

1:17:18BubblemanAnd then I took that and I dipped it into Horatio's fucking terpenes. Holy shit, it was the hit that hit the floor. I jokingly went outside and then laid down on my floor and the camera angle, it was pretty funny, honestly.

1:17:34AtnPeople enjoyed it, I say that much. What is the flavor of your rosin?

1:17:39BubblemanThe flavor of my rosin is some OG kush with a slight bit of nebula, a quite lemony flavor in fact. Good shit.

1:17:49SpeakerYou know what? You have me wanting to make rosin, man. I'm going to go load up one of these little teabags real quick and make some forum cut rosin to dabble with you.

1:18:02BubblemanI'll be right back. I'm going to play a joke on D here. Let's see if I can pull it off. Let's see if I can pull it off. Here he comes. And I don't know, that D420 is just fucking bossy.

1:18:14SpeakerOh, hey dude. Give me a bone rip.

1:18:19BubblemanGood to see you. Pull up a sheet. We're on hash church. Just blast it out here.

1:18:26AtnMarks, stick to your bubble bags. Your acting's terrible.

1:18:30BubblemanI know. I'm not a good actor, man. I can only be me. Boy, I thought we were two screens for a second. Hey, D. Welcome. Hey, buddy.

1:18:39SpeakerHow you doing?

1:18:41BubblemanDoing good. How do I pronounce? Happy to be alive. Etienne. Etienne. Okay, how are you doing? He's got the accent, what is it called again? I'm French and I can't remember. Accent aigu. The little piece on your... Did you play? The little thing on your E, the name for the French symbol. Little boom lot. Yeah. Little boom lot. Accent aigu, I believe they call it.

1:19:06AtnOui, oui.

1:19:08BubblemanOui.

1:19:08AtnYeah, yeah. Thank you for watching.

1:19:23AtnYeah, I've been, before ATMs, it was AT&T, so, or B12, so, with the little umlaut, people get Etienne, and that's how it's pronounced, Etienne, and it makes me very happy when you pronounce it, because Americans murder it, and all, as I grew up in Louisiana, they just destroyed it, so it's always a pleasure to hear you say it.

1:19:46BubblemanHe murdered it pretty good, I missed it, but I can't, what did you say?

1:19:50AtnI don't know.

1:19:50BubblemanI don't even remember now, but it was a good one. We'll have to go back and watch it. But I'm French, so it's easy for me to say ATN.

1:19:57SpeakerI'm a newbie. Fucking Scottish, Irish, I can't pronounce. Fuck off.

1:20:04BubblemanIt's the way it is, buddy. Whoa, why didn't I mute him? That was an accident. I just muted him. Looks like everybody's muted. Really? Oh, there it goes.

1:20:16AtnI said you, root you.

1:20:19SpeakerNice with the tangy. What's Tony got on his head there? Tony's wearing a hat. Oh, nice hat, Tony.

1:20:28BubblemanHe's doing his thing. It's been a pretty chill hash church. We talked a little bit about the Grateful Dead shows, the show last night in California. Todd was in here earlier. We had the Trichome Heavy Extract guys in here earlier.

1:20:44SpeakerI've got a story. Tell us. I was at my buddy's. Coffee shop this morning, grabbing my normal breakfast sandwich and espresso. And this guy, he's an actor, he's been in Kickboxer, co-starring with Jean-Claude Van Damme and a whole bunch of stuff. He was in Flesh Gordon, that cult classic movie sort of thing. Not Flash Gordon, but Flesh Gordon. He's the star in that. He's one of my good buddies.

1:21:12SpeakerAnd he was telling me about, I was telling him about Hash Church and how we have a thinking tank. Everybody gets baited. And has a think tank and has thoughts and shares and, you know, creates and all that stuff. It's not like sitting around getting baked and just looking at a TV and playing video games. And he says, well, you know what? He says he smoked weed with Dennis Hopper when he was alive and all this kind of stuff.

1:21:33SpeakerAnd he says he met the guy that invented the cat scam. Fucking tool for the hospitals. And he ended up sitting back smoking a joint one day and Vince asked him, he says, how did you guys invent this? And the guy says, well, we were all sitting around in the physics lab, we got stoned, and we popped some acid. And that's what we fucking came up with afterwards.

1:21:56SpeakerSo that think tank, acid and weed, created the CAT scan machine in the fucking hospitals. He's the man that did that. And that's how it Came about. Acid and fucking weed.

1:22:07BubblemanThat's pretty awesome. We've been talking about acid and weed today in regards to its influence on music as well as some other drugs like heroin and some other more speedy things I'm sure that musicians have been taking for decades if not forever. Tony's just been mowing down. It's Tony's table here at Hash Church today. Looks like he's eating cake or something. I want some cake. I brought you some.

1:22:35BubblemanYou didn't. Dude, this guy. I brought you some of those little fucking cookies and all that shit. I don't know. I can't even tell. I had you on the small box. Ooh, heritage blend. Non-GMO. Nice. Non-GMO. Knowing poor Tony and the way people constantly fucking mispronounce Represent or misplace things that he says. They'll be like, I saw Tony hold up GMO veggie chips on Hash Church. No, it said non-GMO.

1:23:08BubblemanI didn't see the non. I just saw GMO. You can't fucking win, dude. You can't fucking win.

1:23:16TonyI've been talking with Horatio secretly on another chat. That's what I've been doing.

1:23:21SpeakerOh, yeah?

1:23:22TonyYeah. We've been talking Terps.

1:23:25SpeakerI texted in my potential engineered bubble machine and I'm like, I've been sitting on the fence because, you know, this is what I got on my brain, but, you know, if I say anything, it's the end of me. You know, you guys proceed on with, basically, you know, I can't just do anything. I have to see if there's an opposite direction I can go in and see if it'll break my face or not.

1:23:48SpeakerBut I'm getting inspired closer and closer.

1:23:53TonyHe's showing me his, and I'm showing him mine here in a second. So this is the first of its kind.

1:24:02BubblemanVery exciting. Very exciting. These are the things that happen on Hash Church, sometimes just in the background.

1:24:08TonyI'll show you the bubble, man. I'll share with you what the new VO2 extract machine looks like.

1:24:20BubblemanI never doubted for a second.

1:24:22TonyI'm going to try to be able to do like 15,000 grams wet per hour to two hours out of 400 to 500 milliliters of turps an hour. Fifteen kilos.

1:24:39TonyYep. Fucking awesome. So you can imagine what my Fourth of July is going to be like. It's going to be raining turps.

1:24:50BubblemanNice. That's what I like to hear. Raining Terps. Well, you know what? Just keep showing fucking Horatio and so will mine.

1:24:57TonyKeep showing Horatio. No, actually I could probably build one for you guys up in Canada.

1:25:05BubblemanWell, we want that, don't we, Horatio? I have a feeling that there will be a lab in Canada in the near future and I keep picturing myself having these hilarious lab conversations in the future with Horatio.

1:25:20SpeakerI'm just thinking, I'm like, wait a minute, I don't know, 15 kilos, I can't do nothing like that by no fourth of July, but...

1:25:30SpeakerBut put a good effort on anyways. There you go.

1:25:33TonyWell, it's for a project in California, you know, like I, now that I have this done, it's the project we've been talking about that you see me doing with the subcritical CO2, and...

1:25:47TonyYou know, they have their different collectives and guilds out there. It's just a different level in California. People have been freezing material to be able to gather a large amount of terpenes so that we can actually start doing this on a real level. You know? And so I had to figure out a way to do it in the most non-abrasive way, but in a larger scale.

1:26:17AtnHey Tony, what happened last weekend? We weren't able to get you, Mike, to hear you and Steve. Did they kick you back up again and get obnoxious?

1:26:31TonyYeah, so one thing, the Melts did share, they said that I could share what the model was. If you're ready, and then I'll address the last week's show.

1:26:45SpeakerSure, you can say it, and if you can type it on the chat, I'll just copy and paste it. Sorry, I'm making rosin right now.

1:26:59BubblemanIf you can say it, say it to the audience. There are 64 people, and they're all going to be asking that same question if you just type it in the chat. And guess who they'll ask?

1:27:14TonyOh yeah, absolutely.

1:27:16BubblemanSo check this out.

1:27:18SpeakerOkay. First press. Bam. Pretty fat.

1:27:23BubblemanPut a couple eyes on that and you got like a picture of a girl.

1:27:28SpeakerYeah, you probably, I see it now. I see it now. Bam, bam, and a happy face. All right, Tony, sorry.

1:27:37TonyNo, that's okay. I'm typing it out for you. Cool. And I can say it, um, he said, I guess we, uh, I guess we ordered the, uh, we just ordered a full cube machine, not a half cube.

1:27:50BubblemanGoing full, hey? Mm-hmm. You never go full cube.

1:27:58TonyThat's, that's the washer.

1:28:03TonyIf you want to say that, Cuban.

1:28:05SpeakerSays Manny Tawik, Medea Washing Japanese.

1:28:11BubblemanAh, Baba Rob.

1:28:18SpeakerThat sounds like that Alibaba washer.

1:28:22TonyWe wanted to know.

1:28:25SpeakerYeah, Alibaba is where all the washers come from, man. I'm excited. Thank you.

1:28:31TonyAlibaba is Indian and this is Japanese.

1:28:36BubblemanYou would want to buy the original model of that from Japan, not the Alibaba version.

1:28:41SpeakerOh, okay, I see.

1:28:43TonyYeah, two different ethnicities there.

1:28:47SpeakerAh, well thank you. Both in Asia though.

1:28:52TonyBoth in Asia.

1:28:55SpeakerYeah, but one spot in Asia has made the best of everything for a long time.

1:29:05BubblemanNice. Nice pack there, Cuban.

1:29:11SpeakerYeah, you know, fresh squeezed for a morning.

1:29:15BubblemanYou should totally put that in your pocket and come up over the border and pop that with me.

1:29:20SpeakerYeah, this time they'll give me a better treatment, I'm sure.

1:29:26BubblemanYou know what, one day we'll have reciprocal laws, and we'll be federal, and if you want to talk, Todd and Rob, I will stop talking and mute my mic. You guys have a terrible echo.

1:29:39ToddGo ahead and say hi, Rob. Hi, Rob.

1:29:50ToddCan you hear us?

1:29:53SpeakerYes, loud and clear, Todd.

1:29:54AtnHi, Rob. Yes, loud and clear, Todd. Hi, Rob.

1:29:58SpeakerHi, AJ. What's going on, Rob? Hi, Rachel. What's going on, Rob? Hi, Cuban. We've never met, but how do you do? Hey, there's Tony.

1:30:06TonyWhat's going on, buddy?

1:30:09SpeakerWhat's going on, buddy? Well, I'm crazy. Yeah, peace, love, and rainbows. Here we are in the Bay Area. Yeah. The gay area, the gray area, getting blasted, all good.

1:30:23TonyHow'd you enjoy that show?

1:30:28SpeakerHow'd you enjoy that show? Absolutely awesome. Yeah, incredible. I'm going again tonight, but I don't know how it could be any better. Too much.

1:30:42BubblemanWell, there we have it. Conflicting views on the... Perhaps they will go head to head.

1:30:55TonyPerhaps Mark isn't a deadhead enough. I don't know. Maybe he's more into fish.

1:31:03SpeakerAre you kidding me? I saw over 250... I've been around the block...

1:31:12SpeakerMany, many errors.

1:31:17TonyI'm just trying to stay.

1:31:18SpeakerIt's only my opinion. It's like in wine. Some people like different kinds of wine. It's totally within the realm of possibilities that people who love this music could fall on either side of this performance last night.

1:31:36BubblemanWell, I sure loved hearing St. Stephen. I'll tell you that much.

1:31:40TonyMm-hmm. What do you guys think, now that Rob's in the room, just to shift gears, on that whole article that came out about how Indica, Sativa, Brutal Walls was all mislabeled. Indica C should have been Afghanistan, Afghani C. Did you see that whole thing that just came out, Rob?

1:32:08AtnThe Afghanica article.

1:32:12SpeakerNo, didn't see it. Where was that?

1:32:18TonyLet me post it for you. I'll find it. I'll post it for you right now. I'll give it to Todd so he can show it to you.

1:32:28BubblemanAll right. I saw that article as well. It seemed like it was definitely written based on information that they had read through Rob's theories and the new book with Mark.

1:32:53BubblemanSo Rob, I noticed the other day that the hash church that you came into was probably about 33 hash churches ago. So you've been traveling, you've been out and about, and we're definitely happy to have you back for a little visit.

1:33:08NickGood to be here.

1:33:10BubblemanGood to be here.

1:33:13SpeakerLet me Harmony.

1:33:22BubblemanWell, I'll have to keep it muted until you unmute it, Todd. It's got a terrible echo on the microphone there, but anytime you guys want to say anything, just unmute, and we will mute.

1:33:36TonyI just posted the article for Rob to look at it, because I wanted him to see it and get his thoughts, because I think that... He has more experience on this subject matter than anyone I know on the planet.

1:33:51TonyAnd I thought it was an interesting article, but definitely I thought there was a lot of stuff they were pulling from your head.

1:34:02ToddIt's always good when the phone's dropping.

1:34:13SpeakerAll right, Cuban, I pressed out some rosin, but mine came out like this. I don't know. It doesn't look too good.

1:34:21ToddOkay, guys, can you hear us?

1:34:25SpeakerPut a beard on it. Someone will say it like God Jesus. Or Garcia.

1:34:35BubblemanHey, Mark, how's the sound now? That is awesome. It sounds really good now, dude.

1:34:40SpeakerAll right. Go ahead, ask some questions. So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to look at something here? Yeah, I want to smoke some dry sift with you, Rob. Sounds good.

1:34:52ToddOh, there is the link.

1:34:53AtnYeah, in the chat, Rob, there's a link that has a link to the article itself.

1:34:59BubblemanI want to give a quick shout out to Matt Armstrong for pressing 60 grams of hash and coming up with basically Nicotine's essential oil extract logo in rosin with a bubble bag screen in the middle. Shout out, Matt. That's proper.

1:35:22BubblemanOh, well, thank you, sir.

1:35:24TonyI'm going to be seeing Matt next week. He's going to be seeing the demo for this turf extractor, too, because I'm trying to find good people up in the Northwest to work with on stuff, too. So I'm looking forward to seeing him.

1:35:46SpeakerWe don't really have any of those, do we? We can just roll them in the car. We can just roll them in the car.

1:35:56BubblemanAll right, I guess it's more hits of rosin for us. Just hit the Harmony, about to hit the Diesel.

1:36:04ToddApparently, you can really taste the Diesel.

1:36:07SpeakerApparently.

1:36:08TonyIt's pretty dumb. Earlier, I took a little of this kosher, this kosher rosin. And then you'll remember these from 2014. This is Lemon G 13 Terps that's been cured out. It's like a little yellow jelly now.

1:36:28ToddDamn.

1:36:33TonyIt's pretty crazy.

1:36:34SpeakerThat wasn't the old diesel. That was the old G. Oh, was it? Yeah. I thought you said it was the diesel. One's Dizzle, OG Cross, one's OG. Ah, okay, okay.

1:36:46TonyThere it is. Now, I wanted to go back to last week because I was asked about the cup. And while Rob's reading that, this is like what we were doing, Steve D'Angelo and I were hitting turp rosin, dipping the rosin directly into the turps.

1:37:09BubblemanThat's a good way to do it.

1:37:13TonyPretty powerful that way.

1:37:15BubblemanThat's what I did with the LHO, the Rosin, the THCA. I dipped all that into the Terps yesterday on my Periscope and hit that bowl and, man, was it a beautiful rip.

1:37:28BubblemanThroat grabber.

1:37:29TonyYeah, really, I'm not sure if Rob's going to be out in Oakland for another week or so, but I'm going to be there from the 2nd. On for like the 4th of July and we'd love to share some with Todd and Rob. Todd's actually tried some but not of the latest and greatest.

1:37:53SpeakerBut he definitely tried the first runs.

1:37:57TonyBut Jay, I'm sorry last week I didn't want to turn on the microphone because it was pretty grueling with all of the different music going on. And you would have just hated it. But I wish you guys would have heard the conversation. It was mostly about, I asked D'Angelo what he thought about the next, the future of California, not if it goes, but when it does, and it finally gets its opportunity to join the rest of the nation.

1:38:36TonyJust like wine being 90% of the country's

1:38:42TonyYou know, it sells 90% of our wine comes from, you know, California, and it's a big agricultural state, lots of orange juice, fruits, vegetables, different kinds of things like that. It becomes the next kind of ag crop, which allows for tremendous growth over, like, the next, you know, decade or so. And I was, we were talking about, like, What that vision would look like and, you know, what people were, what each market would look like.

1:39:17TonyAnd I think, you know, ultimately California is probably two-thirds of the country's market, you know.

1:39:24ToddCalifornia has 38 million people, man. We have more people than Washington, Oregon, Colorado combined. I mean, it's just... John McPartland is the guy who wrote Hemp Diseases and Pests.

1:40:04SpeakerThe Dave Watson and I helped him do, but it was his baby. And this information dates back to that time. And John's still just going on with that same old idea, which more recent evidence by Hillig's work in Indiana and things has shown us that this isn't quite true anymore. I saw this in O'Shaughnessy's. And as it says at the bottom here, John gave it at an ICRS meeting in 2014.

1:40:32SpeakerSo that means he gave it just a year ago because they usually have summer meetings. But what this first of all doesn't take into account is the part of the cannabis genome that's fiber and seed up but doesn't have any drug content to speak of. And that's not what Cuban is waving in front of the screen there. That's the Indica model. But this doesn't take into account the real sativa, which is European hemp that's now escaped in North America, ditch weed in Kansas or whatever.

1:41:10SpeakerAnd all you see in front of you here, well, it kind of does. If he says formerly root or Alice, then the sativa he's referring to could be wild hemp, okay, or escaped hemp. But Indica that he's saying formerly sativa, okay, fine. That's true to a degree. We all call drug, narrow leaf drug varieties sativas. That's not correct. They're indicas, the original indicas, the real indicas, the tall skinny ones like his little picture.

1:41:40SpeakerAnd then Afghanica is another indica. That's what he doesn't show here. But it's a subspecies of indica. So all the terms are here. They're just mixed up into... From what we now, five years later or more, would think is correct. Fifteen years later, really, since Carl did his research, but not many people read it. Mark and I are the first ones who really put it in a book and made it accessible.

1:42:09TonyWhat I think is fascinating is, can you put it into a generic, can you put it into the perspective now? Because I think it's a good subject. A lot of people, breeders, and everybody's talking about Indica sativa. But let's... Let's get a recap on that real quick, where it's at today. I think it's good information.

1:42:29SpeakerYeah, I'll go over this again, and then I'll go over it a zillion more times, I'm sure. People hate to change the way they do things. And they particularly hate to change the way they do things because the same guy, Rob Clark, keeps telling them there's different ways to look at science, okay? So there is. Science is a constantly evolving field of discipline. You learn more, and then you make different hypotheses.

1:42:55SpeakerSo the way we look at cannabis evolution now, which after we do a lot of DNA work in the next five or ten years, we may not see it the same way. Undoubtedly we won't. But the way we look at it now is that 90%, let's say, of the world's cannabis is cannabis indica. All right? Two species, sativa and indica. Forget ruderalis for now. Nice idea, but it probably doesn't even exist.

1:43:22SpeakerThat sativa... That species sativa is European hemp. After the Ice Ages, it evolved in a different place than Indica. It evolved near Europe, Caucasus Mountains possibly. We don't really know. And it spread across Europe very quickly and became the fiber, seed, and ritual plant of a cannabis plant of Europe. But it doesn't contain the genetic possibility to make Enough THC to make a difference, okay? Health plants produce a tiny amount of THC.

1:43:54SpeakerThey predominantly produce CBD. And not very much of that either. They're just not resin producers, even particularly big terpene producers. And that's sativa, okay? So we wear sativas, we eat sativas. We don't smoke sativas because they don't get as high. So we should stop using the word sativa for drugs, all right? That's my lecture for the day. Now, we'll talk about the interesting part of the cannabis genome, the indica part, the other 90%.

1:44:24SpeakerThat's divided basically into three subspecies that matter to us. And that's subspecies indica. The original indica, named by Lamarck from a Frenchman because he saw Indian samples of cannabis that were different from European cannabis and probably even at that time knew they had medicinal value. And he named them cannabis indica, the cannabis from Indica. India. Okay? So that's what narrow leaf drug varieties are that everyone is calling, erroneously calling, sativa.

1:44:58SpeakerAnd they started in India, they spread all around Africa, at least East Africa, and then eventually to the New World. That's what gave us Mexican and Colombian and Jamaican and all these things. And then We have two others. That's the biggest subspecies of cannabis, indica. That's the very biggest one. Then there was this tiny, geographically limited Afghan subspecies. That's the broadleaf drug ones we have, the ones that everybody calls indica.

1:45:32SpeakerQuite correctly, they are one of the indicas, but they are not the indica. And that very limited gene pool is what was spread in the late 70s to North America. That's what gives us the broadleaf drug ones that we see today. Well, the hybrids of that we see today. We also don't really see very many of the old narrowleaf drug hybrids, the Mexican Thais or the Colombian Thais or the Jamaican South Africans.

1:46:01SpeakerThose things are pretty much gone. They're around, but they've almost all been crossed a long time ago with Afghan varieties. So those are actually Indica hybrids. There are two subspecies of indica. They're not indica sativa hybrids. They're the narrow leaf drug hybridized with the broad leaf drug. The cannabis indica subspecies indica hybridized with cannabis indica subspecies afghanica. So there really aren't any, the way we look at it now, taxonomically, there aren't any indica sativa hybrids, except for some odd hemp varieties from Hungary, say, because they incorporated Chinese hemp.

1:46:43SpeakerChinese hemp is the third indica. It's found all over China, Korea, Japan. It has the potential to make THC, and it does in certain places, but it's predominantly used because of cultural limitations for fiber and seed. They haven't had a drug tradition or a drug ritual tradition there for a couple thousand years. But that's the third species of indica that's found today and important to us. And so one of those varieties you mentioned, would that be like Compolti?

1:47:16SpeakerYeah, Kenai Unisex was something, Kenai is China and Hungarian, and that's one that was used to breed Compolti TC, Compolti Triple Cross. So that has Chinese in it. And that's crossed, that's done with, Compolti was a local land race that was developed into a variety. So yeah, that would be an Indica Sativa Hybrid in the new system. But yeah, we... All we deal with, guys, is indicas, unless you're in the hemp business.

1:47:46ToddBut explain, you know, and this is the thing that I think people are missing, is that I feel as if that they're using words of descriptions of use in order to describe descriptions of growth. And this is where we screwed up because people think that sativa means long flowering, trippy, you know, narrow leaf drug variety, so to speak, and they think indica means short, fat, fast flowering, thick leaves.

1:48:09ToddAnd it really isn't what it means. Really, indica can be anything, if I'm right, from, you know, northern Afghans, All the way south to Doha where it becomes truly a tropical plant. And then if what you're saying is all of these are just tropical varieties that escaped India and went around the world, so Thai, Michoacan, Acapulco Gold, this is all stuff that would have been southern Indian?

1:48:34SpeakerNo, more likely they were northern Indian varieties because cannabis is a temperate plant. It's not a tropical plant. Okay, so... More likely, they were temperate varieties that slowly moved their way south. And slowly acclimated. And then slowly acclimated and then down the coast of Africa, same way, maybe simultaneously.

1:48:55ToddWhat year did cannabis get into Africa?

1:48:58SpeakerEast Africa, probably with Muslim traders in the first century or something, end of the first century, thousands.

1:49:05ToddBut unlike humans.

1:49:06SpeakerMaybe much earlier, but certainly by then.

1:49:09ToddNot indigenous to the continent.

1:49:11SpeakerNah. Cannabis is only indigenous to Eurasia. It had to get everywhere else with the hand of man.

1:49:17ToddWhat is the area that you guys believe that it survived the Ice Age?

1:49:22SpeakerSativa, we believe, survived the Ice Age in the Caucasus Mountain.

1:49:26ToddWas it Sativa then, or was it just Cannabis?

1:49:29SpeakerNo, it's Sativa. By then, you would have already, what we hypothesize is by then, you already had speciation. Cannabis began in Central Asia millions of years ago, and Through varying ice ages got shoved back and forth all over the place. And at some point, probably the end of the last ice age, we were left with two distinct populations that were so far apart from each other, they were no longer interbreeding until humans came along and started spreading as the whole scene began.

1:49:55Speaker12,000 years ago, Earth thawed, humans started wandering around and colonizing new areas as they opened up, as they warmed up, and they took cannabis with them. But cannabis indica would have originated in... Southwest China now, politically, the Hengduan Mountain Range.

1:50:14ToddWow. How long?

1:50:15SpeakerYunnan Province in China.

1:50:17ToddWhat do you date that at?

1:50:19SpeakerWell, when it got there, we have no idea because we don't have evidence from the Ice Ages. But when it started spreading from there, it would have been 10,000, 12,000 years ago. Wow. As humans began to move through the area, we would have found it and spread it across China in the first place.

1:50:34ToddYou know, you've obviously been somebody I've been reading and studying your work for as long as I've been into cannabis. And, you know, when cannabis evolution and that's no botany came out, I was blown away. What, in putting it together in the 17 years you and Mark spent writing it, was there points that really blew you away in connection with humanity or our evolution?

1:50:58SpeakerReally, just the depth, both the Time-wise, and just how many ways humans use cannabis. And that's just amazing to me. That's one reason it took so long to publish the book. Archaeologists keep digging stuff up. Scientists keep inventing new protocols to analyze plants and all this new DNA stuff. The wealth of information is overwhelming, too. There's just so much known about this plant. And considering that it's a plant that's been prohibited, that Real scientific effort hasn't been put into this plant or precious little.

1:51:35SpeakerAnd now we're getting to an era where people are throwing real money for real reasons to make more money, not throwing money at things to find out if it's bad for us or things like that. So we're going to see only more knowledge coming our way in the next decade. And that's exciting to me too. Mother Cannabis has not finished feeding us information. She's only getting started.

1:52:00ToddYou know, speaking of that, a lot of people have been asking about the origin of species that we smell currently, the varieties, OG Kush, or that it's not a Kush, and the misnomers in our own community we're trying to figure out. But you wrote a piece in the first Canna Bible Thank you so much for joining us.

1:52:41ToddI like it like this. I guess my question is, you know, in music, there's really only 12 notes. And every music sound we've ever heard, from jazz to heavy metal, is, you know, these 12 notes mixed together. And when I read your piece, it kind of made me think about this 12-note philosophy with music, that there was only a handful of strains that have now been shuffled and reshuffled.

1:53:02ToddAnd that's really my question. You know, what were those original strains?

1:53:07SpeakerWell, certainly... A few things have been added. Let's say we had half the dozen notes back then, but why I wrote the piece, it came out in 2000, and I wrote it based on information up through 98, 99. I realized then that people were, I lived in the Netherlands, and I was involved with seed companies, and I realized then that there were really only a few seed companies up until that point that were serious players, but at that point, around the end of the 20th century, the

1:53:39SpeakerThe number of people who entered the field was huge. People were starting to just create seed companies and they'd buy two varieties and blend them together and cross them and call it a new variety. And that was obviously where it was going to go forever. So at that time, I realized that David Watson had a collection of, still has a collection of all the seed company catalogs up to that point published in the Netherlands and a couple from other places.

1:54:06SpeakerAnd back in the day, people started with land races. So largely when somebody had a variety, they said, oh, this is our Afghan Mexican. And you went, oh, cool. They started with an Afghan and a Mexican. That's the building blocks. You know right there what was going on. Then you started seeing clones coming to the Netherlands. Not seed varieties, but clones coming and being made into seed varieties.

1:54:31SpeakerNorthern Lights, Big Bud, these things. They came as clones, not as seeds. Everything else before that came as seeds. Okay, all California stuff, things that came from Florida and other places. And when you started looking at these seed catalogs, you realize that certain varieties have been incorporated over and over again. The two main ones are skunk number one, three main ones, skunk number one, original haze, and northern lights.

1:54:59SpeakerOkay, they're the first ones that get into many of these varieties. And I would wager it would be difficult to find any hybrid variety today, any indica hybrid variety today, that didn't contain not only genes from both cannabis indica, subspecies indica, narrow leaf drug, but also from the afghanicas, from the broad leaf drug. There are no pures of anything anymore. So this idea of a sativa entry in a contest, an indica entry, is ridiculous.

1:55:32SpeakerBalderdash. It's ridiculous. It's various weights of narrow leaf drug and broad leaf drug in a hybrid. They're all hybrids. Nobody enters a land race in any of these competitions anymore. Too bad. Should have worked more with the land races. We threw a lot of stuff away and we really blew it. But there's still things to do and things to work on. And hybrids, by definition, are genetically modified.

1:55:56SpeakerNo, they're not. Your genes have been modified because in the hybridization process, you're basically by definition modifying the gene. No, you're absolutely not. That's the whole point of this. If you were modifying genes, you'd see new things arising in the cannabis world. What you're seeing is more and more of a homogenization. You're reshuffling the deck of cards. But you started with the six notes. You added six more notes to have a whole suite because other people added other things over the day.

1:56:26SpeakerOther than Skunk and Northern Lights and, you know, these things that came in really early. But it's absolutely not causing any mutagenate, it's not causing mutations, it's not causing anything odd to happen. You're simply taking a series of information units and reshuffling them. And we've reshuffled them ad infifuckingitem now to where the DNA studies we're doing just give this big cloud of, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:56:57SpeakerThank you. Thank you.

1:57:25SpeakerIt hasn't mattered that what I'm saying is going on. For what's really important right now, which is getting strong varieties that are good agronomic characteristics, they make people money, they taste good, smell good, get people high, what they want is a cut. They don't want to breed. They don't want sex in their house. They want vegetation, you know, vegetative reproduction. And that's all it runs on at the moment.

1:57:49SpeakerWhich for the future bodes horribly, but for the present it's exactly what everybody wants. So how do we break out of this? How do seed companies become seed companies again instead of purveyors of beans that pop cuttings? Where are varieties? Where did all this go over the last 10, 15 years? So that to me is an issue. Where do we go from here? When we get a virus or something that runs through our grow rooms, You guys trade cuttings.

1:58:20SpeakerAnybody's disease is everybody's disease at this point. We're going to have problems in the future. All monocrop agriculture does. There's history in all crops. I'll show you what's going to go on with us. And there's a lot to be done with taking the last good land-raised genetics we have and putting them to use, at least popping them so that they're alive and make cuttings from them. Then you can use them for further breeding.

1:58:48SpeakerThis phyllos genome project we're involved with, we're trying to get seeds from people, and there are a lot of dead seeds out there we can get DNA from. What I tell people is try to pop your seeds. You should have already. If any of them are viable, get a plant out of it. If you want to give us a leaf later for DNA, great. We'd prefer that anyway.

1:59:08SpeakerBut get the seeds going. Get the genes living again before reproducing again before they're all gone. If the seeds are dead, they don't pop after a week in paper towels, dry them off real nice and we can get the DNA out of them, maybe. But, yeah, the impetus here is to get land-raised varieties growing again and to do a lot of the work we did, but not so haphazardly as before.

1:59:32SpeakerAnd, yeah, create for the future.

1:59:34ToddCan you talk a little more about the Genome Project? How can people participate? Is there an address they can send seeds? Will there be a website, things like that?

1:59:42SpeakerYeah. I tried to set up a website or an email address just to do this through. But the best way to do this is probably to contact the International Hemp Association because we're receiving samples from Europe at least. And via that you'll get a hold of either David Watson or me. And depending on where you are, figure out a way for you to get samples to us.

2:00:12SpeakerWe've made a plea through International Canagraphic, David has, and he's had a lot of really good responses, and some fascinating things have come our way. And it'll be interesting to see slowly over the future how these weigh into figuring out the evolution of the plant. We want to get these land races and figure out what happened between now and 20 years ago.

2:00:35BubblemanWell, I hope to crack my Mullumbimby Madness originals from back in the day. I remember my friend Paul writing me about his dad who got to be a part of that, and they said they just bred every epic old school landrace strain they could find into this mishmash of what they called the Mullumbimby Madness, and I still have those seeds from original overgrow days, and very, very soon I will crack those seeds and see if we can't have that genetic alive again.

2:01:02SpeakerThat would be really interesting. That's sort of the steps between having the original land races and what we have today. Because there were, there was Mullumbimby Madness, there's Skunk, and there's Haze. These are already combinations of land races. The gene work we do should reflect the stories that we know to be true, the simple stories, but it should also give us insights into figuring out the more complicated stories of where things came from.

2:01:31SpeakerLike, these guys don't remember what exactly went into Mullen, did he, Madness? And maybe if one of the original guys is still around, he could tell us, but he'd probably say something like, ooh, it'd have Thai in it, and probably some Mexican, and maybe some Indian, too, and then... Wow, that's exactly what the story sounds like, and it changed over the course of...

2:01:50BubblemanYou know, three to five years or whatever when they just kept adding, you know, something new came from Southeast Asia and they slapped that in there.

2:01:58SpeakerAnd that immediately becomes half of what the next generation is. Where the previous year, it's each only a quarter. So that's how Haze was developed, if you will, also. Before David got a hold of it and really polished it up a lot more, it was something that remained fairly consistent Thank you for joining us.

2:02:44SpeakerFar out, they weren't really breeding it, they were just combining really different gene pools, ones that have been isolated for a long time. Both narrow leaf drug varieties, let's say, but a Swazi South African with a Mexican. They parted ways hundreds of years ago, a thousand years ago. Put them back together and you get all this vigor and you tend to get the better prospects from both.

2:03:08SpeakerThen you cross those others, you get better and worse, but that doesn't matter anymore. People only take the cream and make cuts. So that's all we're seeing.

2:03:20SpeakerAnyway, a lot of work to do.

2:03:25BubblemanVery interesting stuff, though. I love the idea of tracking down, like you say, the genome work should reflect the stories that we know. That's really some of the most exciting things. Work that could be done, in my opinion, at this time where we really start getting beyond a little, not a little, a lot deeper than a simple name and a story, but getting into these specific profiles, terpenes and cannabinoids, as well as even deeper with the genome, which is going to tell you even more about that plant.

2:03:58BubblemanPretty interesting to me.

2:04:01TonyI think it's fascinating, and that's part of, I mean, you've been a big inspiration for To myself, so I really appreciate you going in depth about that explanation. I think a lot of people need to understand it. And the whole reason why I got into terpenes was utilizing them as medicinal modulators with cannabis. I applied the same music theory to the prana categories as you did with the 12 notes.

2:04:28TonyThat's how I explained that. The program of utilizing phytocannabinoids and cannabinoids All music is created with 12 chromatic notes. Here's your notes that you can utilize these cannabinoids for sequencing, and you can create whatever combination. And that's why I pushed forward for the terpene extraction machine. I think getting those genomics, if you will, on the plant's important, but also having the pure essence of the plant in a bottle As an analog data, I think is also essential.

2:05:09TonyI'm excited to do that for different kinds of plants. And I'll be like one of those guys that's like, I think, where they collect wine or things like that. I'll be like, okay, this one was from 2016. You'll never believe this. This one right here is the blueberry. And this is the one kept on in a nitrogen stage. And this is what it's like. If it wasn't exposed to long cures or whatever, you know, I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens when they finally pull the gates down, you know, and we can.

2:05:45TonyAnd you could walk in California and walk into a facility or a university and not have any restrictions, no hold bars where people are raising billions of dollars for research instead of hiding behind the doors saying, well, how do we get that money into them?

2:06:01SpeakerRight.

2:06:02TonyYou know?

2:06:05SpeakerIt's really true. You used to have to have any cannabis research approved by the Institute of Health and all these other things. Still, if you want to work directly with the plant for medicine, it's a bit of a hurdle. But there's a lot of other stuff that's going on without having to ask the government for money. That's key to progress.

2:06:26BubblemanI want to quickly welcome Nick into the room from Harborside and also... This Hillary Black is here.

2:06:33NickNo way.

2:06:35BubblemanWho's in the room, Rob?

2:06:37SpeakerHillary!

2:06:39NickHi, Rob. I couldn't resist.

2:06:41SpeakerHi, Hillary. You got me and Todd in the same room. How could you stay offline?

2:06:45NickExactly. Good morning. I've got several of my favorite guys in the world all having a hangout. I had to join. Welcome. Hi. Very good.

2:07:00SpeakerGood morning, everybody. I want to say good morning as well. I just got done golfing with my father this morning, so I wanted to stop in and say hello and bless everybody with some hash.

2:07:12BubblemanGive thanks. Well, that's awesome. Good to see you in Hash Church, Hillary. This is the first time, and it's Hash Church 40 today.

2:07:20NickWow. Excellent. Congratulations.

2:07:24BubblemanThis is our 40th week. So for those of you that don't know Hillary, Hillary is a long time friend of mine since I guess sometime in the early 90s we met when she was working at Hemp BC involved with Mark Emery in the original days of him coming to BC. And she, actually we were talking about you today, Todd and I, and what year you had left California and come and started the Compassion Club, because the Compassion Club did get started in 96, correct?

2:07:51Nick97.

2:07:52BubblemanIt was 97, okay, so 97.

2:07:55Nick97 was officially when we started the club, but before I went to Amsterdam and California, we were doing sort of an informal delivery service. Right. Really, it started in 94. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Rob was just breaking down some beautiful info for us.

2:08:10BubblemanHe was giving us the lowdown on...

2:08:31BubblemanReally some incredible information that I can only imagine how much research and traveling and involvement Rob had to do with this plant to have an understanding or an overstanding like he does today with all of the different concepts that him and his crew have put together. It does blow my mind, Rob. I have to say it's pretty awesome. Thank you for sharing all of that with us.

2:08:58BubblemanIt's recorded so anyone can go back and watch it whenever they want.

2:09:03SpeakerYeah, this information will have to be put out a bunch more times, but people get their heads around it. Just about in time for us to change our minds again. But that's science, y'all. That's what we do.

2:09:16ToddThat is science. That is what we do.

2:09:20BubblemanThis is so exciting. I've never had so many familiars in the Hash Church. Now we've got Jeff back, who was at the Grateful Dead yesterday, posting pictures. Welcome, Jeff Church.

2:09:33BubblemanWe've been joined by a couple of new people. How's it going, guys? Oh, it's going really good, man. Beautiful day, you know. I just had a friend send me a video of a humpback whale surfacing out in front of my house, so after Hash Church, I'm jumping in the boat and going to hang out with whales.

2:09:53Jeff ChurchNice. I've been wandering around the city here in San Jose trying to find a signal that'll work for me to get on Hash Church, and I lost my rosin.

2:10:05BubblemanNo! And then the bus you were on yesterday broke down.

2:10:10Jeff ChurchYeah, but you know what, man? It was an epic show. That was on the top, man. You know, it was an amazing, amazing show. Just so good to hear the boys playing, and Trey is a great compliment for sure. So, yeah.

2:10:26BubblemanWicked. Yeah, I enjoyed it myself. It was very nice to... I wasn't there, but I got to couch tour out, and... Parts of it I was a little less into. Some of the older songs in the beginning sounded a little bit shaky, but that was quickly made up for in the later set.

2:10:45SpeakerThat was a typical Dead show. Yeah, right? The first set, to be honest with you, technically and things sucked. I mean, I was sitting in a bad place, but the Dead don't do bad sound. Even if you're in the worst place in the stadium, which I was, nosebleed seats, Stage right, end of the stage, zero view. And I'm just sitting there going, well, these guys should get their shit together.

2:11:08SpeakerAnd then they cut it off. The first set was really short. And I thought, okay, okay, go get it together. The break was really long. They come back on and the sound system was brilliant. You know, I didn't move. I sat in the same place. It was all good again. So that really helped. But the first set was one of those, oh, my God, first set through who?

2:11:29SpeakerHow's this going to go? But it came out, as you say, quintessentially superb. It was a really good show.

2:11:37Jeff ChurchYeah, when that double rainbow popped up, it really kind of changed the mood of the entire stadium. People were kind of jamming and grooving, and then all of a sudden it was like this moment of unity that everybody shared in the stadium. It was epic. Yeah, it was good.

2:11:55BubblemanAnd that was because it was only 50 G's, right? Because the unicorns were 2 million and they didn't want to blow the whole lot or something? What was going on there?

2:12:02Jeff ChurchMan, you know, I read something about that being the case that it was artificial, but I don't know, man. It was right at sunset. It was what it should have looked like, I feel like, and it rained right afterwards, so who knows?

2:12:19SpeakerThey either seeded a cloud in just the right spot or it was natural, one or the other. I mean, Todd's... 50 times the size of this. How do you order a rainbow? I'm sitting here trying to figure out how do we get a rainbow?

2:12:32BubblemanYeah, and when you order a rainbow, do you have the option of getting, Rob's going to like this, a pot of gold? Yes, a capulco gold at both ends. The pog, the old pot of gold.

2:12:51BubblemanWow, I just hit some beautiful tasty rosin that Darren brought. It's like... It's like Soma's New York City Diesel or something. It's super orangey flavor, like super just delicious flavor on that one right there. Very nice.

2:13:06SpeakerSo this rosin thing is cool, huh? I haven't met Cuban yet, but I hung out with a couple of his buddies in Amsterdam a couple weeks ago. I saw a little bit of the videos. I was overseas, and I thought, oh, that's interesting. Novel. Another novel thing about cannabis. And then I got to try it out, and then I came to SoCal and did it with a big press.

2:13:30SpeakerNow I got the idea. This is obviously here to stay. Oh, yeah. It's really cool. To do it solvable is essentially the same thing but better. Come on. It's here to stay.

2:13:40AtnRob, I even got some stuff coming into the dispensary now because of what's been talked about. It's coming in in bulk now, and so the patients are trying it, and they like it. So it's going to be interesting to see the new things that are accessible. Yeah. All right.

2:13:57SpeakerYep. Power to the solventless quiver.

2:14:00TonyHow long are you going to be there, Rob?

2:14:03SpeakerI'm going to go down. I'm going to see the dead tonight, and then I'm coming back in two or three days. I'm going to be here when you're here, Tony.

2:14:09TonyOkay.

2:14:10SpeakerTodd and I are here until the 6th, and then we're driving down to the Inland Empire thing. What are you doing for the 4th? 4th, I'll be here doing nothing that I thought of. I'm a catriot. I'll figure something out.

2:14:25TonyMaybe we should get together for the fourth. We could do that.

2:14:28SpeakerWe could do that. We'll go to Todd's place or something. Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, I'll certainly be here. There's a heap of stuff I need to talk to you about anyway. Yeah. Let's do it.

2:14:41NickOh, my goodness.

2:14:44BubblemanSuch a beautiful day out. It's been a heat wave here in Vancouver for us anyway, not overly hot for people that are down in the south or whatever, but... Definitely in the high 80s, getting into the 90s, pretty hot for us. Even over 100, I think, in the interior of BC.

2:15:04SpeakerYeah, some pretty cooking down here, too. We're still in full drought in California. Everything's dry and brown and catching on fire already, and it's only June.

2:15:15BubblemanYeah, we've had the same thing. There's been three fires just by my house. In one of the videos, I drove the bike by a bunch of fire trucks putting a fire out under the highway.

2:15:29SpeakerSomebody must have pitched a butt.

2:15:32BubblemanYeah, something lame like that, you know, sort of unconscious.

2:15:40AtnSo, Rob, what have you been working on lately out of curiosity, my friend?

2:15:44SpeakerI've actually been doing something that I'm sure most people would think is incredibly boring, and it's been very time-consuming, but I've been going through the world's herbaria, the pressed plant libraries around the world, looking for cannabis samples for this DNA project. I should mention one more thing. If people are interested in getting involved in this, providing samples for the phyllos thing, I would suggest you get on International Cannagraphic and look for the threads about it that are on it.

2:16:14SpeakerThat's the best way. And then you'll find what's going on already, and you'll find out how David has a little questionnaire, because we like to have as much info as we can get about each one. Usually not much, but everything we can get. And yeah, that's the way to do it. Go to Canagraphic and just find the thread on there. You'll get it.

2:16:31BubblemanI'll find a couple of those threads, or the thread, and I'll link it into HashChurch under... That'd be good. Oh, no. What's this Hillary saying? You should tell us on camera, Hillary. I was just about to ask you what's going on. Threatening to close the club due to new city regulations. Oh yeah, what's happening in the world of Hillary? I did see that Bedrocan and Tweed, I guess Tweed acquired Bedrocan.

2:17:01BubblemanIs that what happened? And if that happened, is that Bedrocan Canada or is that also Bedrocan like in Europe? Is it all one company? Bill, how does that work?

2:17:10NickUm... So you'll have to bear with me because it's Sunday morning and I'm so tired, but I'll do my best. It's been a lot of talking this week. So two really different things are happening in my world. I'm pretty much the only person in the country that has one foot in the licensed producer world and one foot in the dispensary world. And so this week on the same day, the Vancouver City Council announced its regulations for regulating dispensaries in Vancouver.

2:17:38NickAnd they've made some very progressive, amazing regulations where they're essentially regulating recreational cannabis, and they pretty much flipped the bird to the feds and said, we're doing this anyway, and it could get very interesting politically because our federal government is not happy with that. And although the city tried to make regulations that bend over backwards to take care of our organization because we're not like any other dispensary in the country, All of the proceeds get poured into our wellness center where we provide basically a half million dollars a year worth of alternative health care services.

2:18:12NickSo they made a whole other classification for us in their regulations. But the one thing they're not budging on is you can't be within 300 feet of the school. And we have had a school next to us for 18 years. They bring the class in for a tour. We go in and teach them about cannabinoids. We're like a... Thank you. Thank you.

2:18:35SpeakerThank you.

2:18:58NickThose of us that have started these kinds of organizations, we have a huge responsibility to not interrupt healthcare services. And on the same day that that happened, Bedrocan Canada, which is a company that I work with and love, was acquired by Tweed, which is a much bigger LP, and they have kind of become the...

2:19:23NickI want to say the 800-pound gorilla, but it's not a very politically correct thing for me to say if this is going to be recorded and potentially listened to. They've become the industry leader. And so it's just very big changes on both of those fronts for me. And honestly, I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to be able to keep one foot in each world for very long.

2:19:42NickSo, lots happening, and it's intense, and I'm really curious to see how the feds are going to react to what the city council has done in Vancouver, because it's very political, and in some ways it feels like medical cannabis and the dispensaries in Vancouver are just becoming a flashpoint issue of resistance against our conservative government. And once again, we're in the eye of the storm. So, yeah.

2:20:08NickThat's my update from this week.

2:20:11Bubbleman18 years strong, the Compassion Club.

2:20:14NickYep. Yep.

2:20:17BubblemanIncredible. Well, I mean, you know what? You're always in these positions for a specific reason, because you're the one that's sort of strong enough to keep that tear or the fabric from tearing open too big. Like, I'm certain that If the Compassion Club does have to move, which I can't imagine because it's been there for so many years in that particular location. I mean, how many years has the club been in that location for?

2:20:43BubblemanIs it over 10?

2:20:44NickNo, we've been in that location for 17 and a half years.

2:20:48BubblemanThat location?

2:20:49NickYeah, that location. Yeah.

2:20:53BubblemanWow. That's insane. Two decades strong. And so what is the issue? The issue is there's a school nearby?

2:21:01NickThe issue is that there's a school nearby and the city is worried about getting sued if they make special accommodations for us. So I'm hoping that they couldn't regulate exceptions, they couldn't build exceptions into the regulations, but that we will find a way to get an exemption. If we were a regular legal business, there are statutes that apply that if you're functioning and operating your business and then a bylaw comes along, You automatically get grandfathered in, but none of that applies because we're not actually legal businesses, even though we're a registered non-profit.

2:21:36NickSo, it's all, we're all just kind of pioneering it and finding our way, same as what the city's doing. It's all brand new territory, so, you know, we've got to call in the big guns. We're going to go meet with the city next week with John Conroy.

2:21:50SpeakerCan you show us a picture of the school nearby at

2:21:58SpeakerGo ahead, Hillary.

2:22:00NickWell, you know, when things get serious, you need John Conroy on your side, and we have found our way through other frightening times in the past when it felt like the sky was going to fall, and I have faith we'll find our way through this, too.

2:22:16BubblemanAbsolutely. You know, I wanted to see if I could take you back 18 to 20 years and ask you just a quick little recap in regards to some of your big inspirations for deciding to start the BC Compassion Club, you know, so long ago, really before it was on the lips of anyone, at least up here. How did that sort of come together for you to make that a reality?

2:22:44NickWell, the First person who I ever heard utter the words Compassion Club was Todd.

2:22:53NickAnd Dennis Perrone had started the Buyers Club in San Francisco. And I learned about Todd when he was in jail for transporting some cannabis across the country to start a club in Rhode Island. And we became pen pals while he was in jail. And that was when the seed was sort of first planted with me. And then I had an opportunity to move to Amsterdam and study, I would call it, with some of the greats of which one is on this call, Mr. Robert Connell Clark.

2:23:30NickHad some more adventures in California and it was time to come home and start the club in Vancouver.

2:23:38NickIt's funny, the roots are kind of all in this room.

2:23:42BubblemanThat's awesome.

2:23:43NickAnd you know the role that you played.

2:23:46BubblemanI definitely know the role that I played.

2:23:49AtnWell, Hillary, you were also an inspiration to us at BPG, and what happened to you is, unfortunately it happened to us in 2012. We were within a thousand feet of a school, a French school, oddly enough, And if we actually walked there, it was 1,000 feet, but the government went as the crow flies, and it was 984 feet.

2:24:13NickOh, my God.

2:24:15AtnNot kidding you. And they threatened my bank, who owns the property, and my landlord that they were going to take the bank if they didn't kick us out. So we were forcibly evicted, but we found a new location that, And, you know, we opened up quietly as a delivery service in that meantime while we built our new facility. And then we reopened in December of 2012 and have been open since.

2:24:44AtnSo we're still, and now we're actually taking the federal government to court right now. So, you know, you were the example to us, so let us be an example to you now. Whatever happens, don't forget, you can always fight.

2:24:59SpeakerThank you.

2:25:08ToddWow. It's a trip just listening to you talk about it, Hillary. I mean, it seems like it wasn't that long ago, but when we talk about, you know, all the years that have passed, it's hard for me to believe that it was literally 20 years ago that I started the San Diego Compassion Club. And I always thought that there wasn't enough compassion in the conversation, and I felt like The industry wasn't really ready for capitalism at the time and I couldn't explain selling pot to somebody but I could explain giving it to somebody because no parent would cause their child to go without cannabis if they could help them alleviate suffering.

2:25:48ToddAnd people seemed to understand that so I started using the word compassion And everything I did. And I think you may remember when we got to Peter's house and Peter said his book was named A Question of Compassion. And I asked him where he got that title. And he blatantly says, oh, I stole it from an interview I read. I thought it was brilliant. I said, oh, yeah, who was being interviewed?

2:26:10ToddAnd he said, oh, I think some guy in San Diego. And he brought it up on his supercomputer.

2:26:16AtnAnd he was actually quoting me.

2:26:20ToddAnd I thought it was pretty funny.

2:26:22NickI do remember that.

2:26:24ToddYeah, and I think that's what cinched it for Peter when he was like, okay, you're the person. You know, you were right there, so when a lot of this happened and you were literally in the room, in the bank, you were literally there the whole time. You know, we didn't expect to go back to California and have the opportunities to write books and make movies and be around such a An incredible genius who was so successful in his own right on so many levels.

2:26:54ToddI mean, just being in Peter's presence to me was, you know, even though we were so different, it was so inspiring because, I mean, this is somebody who hit the bestseller list on five different subjects, five different times in the New York Times. It's really unthinkable to an author to have such diversity in their writing that they could ever achieve such a feat. And You know, Peter was so passionately into it, as you and I and so many around us were, and it's amazing the way that things worked out, but I always believed what you did by going back and creating the Compassion Club in Canada was just this incredibly pivotal moment in the medical marijuana movement for Canada, and You know, when you were hanging out with me, I kind of felt like I stole a national treasure, I won't lie, because I felt like what you needed to do over there was so important.

2:27:48ToddAnd, you know, it goes back to blow me away that a lot of the stuff we were doing back then seemed like just the right thing to do to us. But, yeah, there was not really anyone else. In the whole country, I mean, when I got involved in this 21 years ago, I could count the activists in North America on two hands practically, and they were mostly doctors and a few lawyers, you know, Dr. John Morgan, Todd McArea, Lester Grinspoon.

2:28:13ToddI mean, it wasn't a lot of people that was in the know, and now it's like a tsunami wave of intelligence coming at us, and I think it's great, and I think it's, you know, from the work of people like you, and it's The information Mark brought with making hash and it's, you know, then the courageous people along the way that have pushed this message that has really got it to where it is now.

2:28:37ToddAnd I'm glad that you're still doing it. And my message would be with the Vancouver Club is don't be afraid of change. I mean, to be truthful, the next place might be bigger and better and more beautiful and, you know, just flow with it because, you know, don't hold on to yesterday so much because we're changing that so much. So, You know, embrace tomorrow. If tomorrow means a bigger, better club, shit, move into a hospital or something.

2:29:03ToddI mean, you know, turn it up a notch. You know, only like you guys can up there.

2:29:08SpeakerNow the government gives you something. Right.

2:29:11NickTake over. That's our plan B strategy is if they're going to make us move, then they have to subsidize a space for us. Part of what's happened with the real estate up here is that People who want to open little for-profit pot shops in Vancouver are now going to be able to. And so all of the leases for every location in Vancouver, there are bidding wars and people are selling them and there's a whole side market happening on leases for dispensaries and they're all tiny and really expensive.

2:29:40ToddYou know what, though? This is all changing so rapidly, and we're going to see adult use. We're going to see the facts that people have rights. I mean, I went to a Grateful Dead concert where they were kind of, you know, somebody talked to me about, I had my vaporizer out, I was trying to fix it, because I clogged it up, imagine that. And the guy was like, you can't use that here.

2:29:59ToddAnd I was thinking... I was polite to him, but I'm thinking, right, because I would hate to fuck up you pouring booze behind me for everyone that's here, because aren't we going to get to a place where we have rights like that too, where I don't have to drink Budweiser, I can smoke Bud. And this is where I think that, you know, don't... Don't fear what comes next because what comes next is as amazing as what just came in the after.

2:30:25ToddYou know back when I started this Canada couldn't have fucking magazines that were high times and now you guys have everything you have. Medical cannabis and now you're going to have most likely adult use in not too long because you're a liberal and you're an intelligent country. Thank you for watching.

2:30:57ToddThank you for watching.

2:31:14ToddYou know, corporate cronies and their billions of dollars in lobbying efforts and that's what keeps this at bay. And we can't forget what we're really doing right now because really that's what we're still, we're still focusing on the future. We're not crying about yesterday. We're really trying to make tomorrow even better because now we're communicating at the speed of light so now we should start thinking as quickly.

2:31:33ToddAnd I think really once people do, you're going to be in a situation where the absurd is what's going to happen because think of slavery right now. Who the fuck would justify somebody owning another person right now in North America? It would be un... Thank you for watching.

2:32:11ToddGay pride and we're all getting married now and it's fucking, you know, awesome. But the truth is, when are we going to have the simple right to grow a flower? ATN is talking about a soldier coming home and after all these tours of duty fighting for bullshit freedom, the guy tries to grow six pot plants to alleviate his depression and PTSD and they fucking hunt him down when he doesn't go to court.

2:32:33ToddAnd bust him in an elementary school in front of a bunch of kids, which doesn't just traumatize the guy. What the fuck is it like for the kids to see the soldiers show up and pull down one of the dads? That's fucked up on any level, too. It's just a show of force, and we shouldn't put up with any of this shit. I say let's fucking, I'm not saying give up the compassion club, but I'm saying don't forget that you have a whole bunch of other rights other than fucking healing and putting band-aids on yourself when you fall down and get hurt.

2:33:01ToddBut when you're healthy and when you're thinking straight and when you really want your freedom and your sovereignty and the fucking rights that should be afforded to us, I think it's a bigger picture. So, you know, just flow with it is what I say, you know. Fucking, we're taking over. And, you know, I joke that Tim Larry only had a two-thirds right. He used to say, turn on, tune in, and drop out.

2:33:22ToddWell, I think dropping out is the stupidest thing ever because when we do that, a bunch of fucking no-good, fucking right-wing, fucking conservative people that shouldn't be in charge get in charge. So really it should be turn on, tune in, and take over because that's really what we should do because we have to reorganize this and make everything better because our kids are going to inherit this stupidity.

2:33:42ToddAnd when you still have people being hunted down for growing flowers, you don't have a whole lot of freedom. So, and you don't have it in Canada either. And you know, don't lose sight of that freedom that you want too because you should want it everywhere. This should be really a natural right that we have to grow flowers and be happy and use them for our benefit.

2:34:02ToddJust like we do lettuce and tomatoes and apples and oranges and all the other things that we are here with naturally on the planet. You know what I mean? So, fuck. Let's all get high and change the world. That's what I say.

2:34:18AtnIf not us, whom? If not when? Now is more the message now more than ever. We still have to be active. We can't sit there and get all pretentious and Pretend like we can sit back. I mean, there's so much.

2:34:33ToddThere's no resting on our laurels. You know, great that the club's been open 18 years. Now fucking turn it into something even bigger. That shit would be cool as a high rise. I'm just saying. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that could use it. I think we all need to think bigger. I think we need to have equal rights.

2:34:50AtnGet a drive-thru, Hillary. Get a drive-thru. Fuck yeah. Why not? Remember getting pulled over in Amsterdam and they let us go, Hillary, at a drug stop?

2:35:01ToddMe and Hillary are driving in Amsterdam in our friend's borrowed van. Smoking a joint, because it turns out that it was perfectly legal at the time. We get stopped at a drug stop where the joint won't go out, and they start asking me all these questions in Dutch if I'd been drinking. Of course I hadn't. So they make me blow remember zeros, and then we leave, and we ask them, is it okay to smoke?

2:35:25ToddThe lady says, hashish? I said, yes, the hashish. She said, it's very strong, but there are cars behind you now, so you must go.

2:35:34NickHa ha! Do you remember that? I remember that. You know, Todd, this is the first time you and I have ever talked publicly about me being in Amsterdam and California with you. For a long time, I was worried about how connected I was to things in California, but the lawyers assure me that enough time has passed.

2:35:55AtnNo statute of limitations.

2:35:58ToddThat's hilarious. I'm not radioactive anymore. In a sense, it's true. I mean, you know, Alana, what we went through was so weird because on my side of the fence, I had some really good people. Renee and Alex wouldn't cooperate. You, everything was quiet. You know, I had other friends straight just split. And then, you know, there was the other ones that just, you know... I'm not gonna lie, I was hoping.

2:36:51ToddHold on, I'm going to call Kenny back.

2:36:55BubblemanOkay. Sorry. Sorry.

2:36:57ToddSorry. Sorry. Thanks, buddy. That was a good rip. You're most welcome.

2:37:09SpeakerI got a quick question for Hillary. I didn't see anywhere in the framework that was actually stipulating, you know like how there was a boom in dispensaries when basically nobody cared about even getting a doctor's recommendation and people started illegally amassing membership and then when the pressure would go on they would flip and act normal again. Is it more like Vancouver is saying if you pay the $30,000 weed is almost recreational in Vancouver or is it still...

2:37:39SpeakerFollowing any sort of guidelines once you pay that big money fee.

2:37:43NickIf you pay the $30,000 licensing fee, there are no restrictions around eligibility at all, which is a pretty wild move that they made. The Coastal Health Authority is a really powerful medical and political organization on the West Coast. They're the ones that champion the safe injection site and are championing heroin by prescription, and they fight the feds on all kinds of really amazing progressive health issues. And they were very clear that in the recommendations that they gave to the city, they were not And so after all of our presentations and submissions, the city realized that they needed to make a separate classification for an organization like ours.

2:38:23NickSo now there is a second tier in the regulations where you have a $1,000 licensing fee instead of a $30,000 licensing fee.

2:38:31NickBut you have to be a nonprofit. You have to have a proper full voting membership. You have to provide a certain amount of health care services. They really have sort of legislated our model. And if you are trying to get the Compassion Club designation, One of the things that you have to do is be a member of CAMCD. CAMCD, the Canadian Association of Medical Cannabis Dispensaries, is the governing body that we created to create standard operating procedures for the dispensaries across the country.

2:39:00NickAnd the criteria for becoming certified is quite stringent. And there are strict eligibility requirements and processes to go through. So both exist. I don't know how many people are going to bother to try to Become Compassion Clubs and get that designation. Frankly it's going to cost more than $30,000 a year to run a wellness center in the way that they have mandated it. But hopefully there will be more people that have their heart in the right place and actually want to take some of the profits from distributing cannabis and pour it back into supporting services for real critically and chronically ill patients.

2:39:41NickAnd there will be a lot of people who are opening up little recreational cannabis cash cows.

2:39:47ToddWell, I got a question, and it's this. And have they socialized liquor stores in Canada?

2:39:55NickI don't think so.

2:39:57ToddNo? And are they all non-profits?

2:40:00SpeakerLiquor stores?

2:40:01NickYeah. No, certainly not. There are government-run liquor stores and then private liquor stores.

2:40:06ToddThere are government-run liquor stores and then private liquor stores. So I got a stupid question, and it's how come we can't be like them? Why do we have to have all this baloney? Why is forced socialization being placed on cannabis dispensaries? Why is suddenly like, you know, dentists aren't non-profit. I mean doctors aren't non-profit that I know of in America at least. I mean why the hell does pot clubs have to be and why are we tolerating such a lack of inequality in the marketplace?

2:40:37ToddI don't get that at all and I think that that's really what has to change because we have safety and effectivity on our side and we really have to look at science rather than look at You know, old school paranoia, the base for the rules for tomorrow. And I think it's screwed up that, you know, the pot clubs are the ones that have to jump all through the loops and be non-profit and, you know, when the liquor store down the street doesn't have to be.

2:41:02ToddWhat's up with that?

2:41:03NickYou don't have to be non-profit and jump through the loops. You can just pay the $30,000 licensing fee and then go about your business. But, you know, Casinos have an $11,000 business fee and pharmacies have a $2,500 fee and liquor stores is even less than that.

2:41:21ToddYou know what's annoying though is that you've got to really educate the politicians that they are just like the drug dealers that are trying to cash in on prohibitionary pricing when that's going to go away when you have legalization and legitimization of this plant. I mean because when we can start selling it for what it really costs to produce instead of what some blown up hyper price is, we're going to actually see the true cost of cannabis.

2:41:45ToddAnd that's going to be significantly lower and the tax revenues are not going to be as sexy, but that's going to be just like any other commodity on the planet. Tomatoes, oranges, what have you. I mean, that's what a competitive environment is going to do.

2:41:58NickI agree. One place where I disagree a little bit with what you just said is I think that the city, including a classification of... More of a socialized model and requiring some provision of other healthcare services. The fact that they legislated our model. Some people really don't like it and frankly, I don't care. I think that there are so many people that are making a lot of money as they have the right to out of distributing cannabis.

2:42:29NickAnd if we can motivate somebody somewhere to maybe repeat our model a little bit and provide more of the extra healthcare services to subsidize support of your community, I think that's a great thing. It's not mandatory. You have the option of which classification you want to apply to. We have year and a half long waiting lists. You know, like the need is significant. And when people start using cannabis in conjunction with other holistic therapies, that's where we see really tremendous healing happen.

2:42:57NickThat's where viral loads drop and tumors shrink and addictions are managed. And I don't mind that they made a classification that mandates more of a socialized model at But it's optional, right?

2:43:13BubblemanYep, there it is. I think I was really stoked when I saw that they mandated basically what you guys had set up over the years. That if you wanted to be a compassion club and if you didn't want to pay the 30k, then you wanted to be non-for-profit, that it was going to be more than just registering as a non-for-profit, but you were going to be forced to maintain a certain amount of healers in-house to give those therapies away with I mean, I always loved that about the Compassion Club.

2:43:44BubblemanHillary just always insisted on never taking profits from the club. She was always about flipping it inside of itself and creating that, you know, if there was profit to be produced, that profit should be paid back to take care of the people that were barely You know, able to afford this in the first place, that little bit of profit, it was like it wasn't capped. It was taken and used for, you know, quite a large variety of different holistic healings.

2:44:16BubblemanI mean, how many different healers has the Compassion Club had over the years?

2:44:24NickI don't know how many there's been over the years, but I can tell you that there's 13 modalities right now. But last year we provided 3,300 healthcare appointments. Wow.

2:44:34BubblemanThat's amazing. That is quite something. I remember sending Gordon Barnholden down there for a day.

2:44:42NickI remember.

2:44:44BubblemanHe's got the power. I think you might have turned me on to him.

2:44:50NickMy mom did, actually.

2:44:52BubblemanYour mom did. Well, it was through you, though, so thank you, both of you, for that. And welcome to Josh, and probably Space is in the house as well somewhere.

2:45:02BubblemanHave a dab.

2:45:07Bubbleman700 people watching Hatch Church live today, and we had a slow start. We were just chilling out, talking about the dead and some other things. It's been great to have Rob come in and to, as always, have Todd lay down the knowledge and have Hillary visit us. Jen Doe is going to share at least some words with us eventually. I know she says she's got a sore throat, but eventually she'll say hi and be like, what's up?

2:45:32BubblemanI got strep.

2:45:34SpeakerI do have strep. It's horrible.

2:45:37BubblemanOh, man. Sorry to hear. You're not still over with Marcel and Jessica?

2:45:42SpeakerNo. I came home, and then I had to make a trip up to Seattle yesterday. Yeah, so I haven't really had much rest, even though I've got serious cases strep, but I've got antibiotics in me, so at least I'm not running around infecting everybody like the asshole that probably got me sick. Consume phytocannabinoids. Oh, yeah. I've been saturating all of my everything.

2:46:07BubblemanYes, the old schmeck. Saturating my endocannabinoid system. Schmecking. That's what all the kids are saying now, Rob. Schmeck.

2:46:21SpeakerI've been schmecking. I haven't heard that one before. Excellent. That's good to hear. Schmecking. Yes. We'll have to get the Oxford English Dictionary on this. Absolutely. You know, they added vaping and bud tender this year.

2:46:44BubblemanThat's awesome. Welcome, Joshua.

2:46:50BubblemanYou're frozen up. Bizarre Brothers, half the Bizarre Brothers in the house, that's just the Bizarre Brother.

2:46:59SpeakerWhat's up with the brain taffy? Indeed. What is up with the brain taffy? I'm trying to smoke some. I just woke up from the Killer Dead show last night, and here I am trying to get saturating my cannabinoid system.

2:47:13BubblemanHell yeah, dude. Todd and Rob need to come by and check you guys out and come smoke some hash with you guys down in Oakland.

2:47:23BubblemanThey got the nice little zone. They got the killer hash, too. I'd be down there for sure, Tony. Jeff's rocking the dead crew, the crew from the Chicago shows. They're in the room now. Excellent. His internet is like Nepal internet, like showing us one photo every like three seconds.

2:47:51ToddGood to see you guys nonetheless.

2:47:57Jeff ChurchYou need a bong rip, Darren? Yeah, Rancho Relaxo just came over, got a nice dab here, lost my rosin earlier and I got one again now.

2:48:08BubblemanVery good, very good. Sorry for your lost rosin, but you know, happy for the guy that finds it and knows what it is.

2:48:19Jeff ChurchI found 20 bucks on the floor last night after the show, and then again right after I lost my rosin. So at least I'm up 40 bucks, but I found half of my rosin.

2:48:37SpeakerI got a question for Rob since I waited, what, how many, 30 hash churches to get this question off? So while he's still here before he disappears. Now Rob, I've had the fortune to look at the THC experience and kind of try to see how much of the plant I can come out of it. It seems to produce one high. So you could say our Afghani type experiences versus our up high experiences of other narrow leaf drug types, is it all in the terpenes?

2:49:13SpeakerBecause it seems like if I had 100,000 tons of straight THCA, it would only be the terpenes that make the experience.

2:49:24BubblemanOh, I think we're muted. Let me unmute you real quick, Rob. Sorry. I think you're missing that shit. There we go, Todd. I'm looking for Rob. It's Todd. There you go, Rob.

2:49:36SpeakerOkay. Yeah, the other cannabinoids are important, predominantly CBD. And back in the day, we had so much for pure THC varieties. Those cannabinoids might have been more important in the subtle variations in highs in imported varieties, in the Landreus varieties. But now most of those are bred out of what we have. We're really down to THC, or more recently, the higher CBD varieties. As far as getting high and what you're talking about with THC, it is the terpenes, absolutely.

2:50:12SpeakerI've been looking at this a lot lately. I have a white paper on the subject that we're trying to figure out what to do with it. It is the big difference. One way you can see this is if you look at hemp essential oils from Europe that are made from cannabis sativa. Thank you for joining us.

2:51:01SpeakerThis all links in with, especially medicinally, it's hard to start separating things because people relate to a certain variety because it gives them a nice high or it gives them good medical effect. But the way they identify that variety is by how it tastes and smells, particularly how it smells. Then you're back to the terpenes, predominantly the terpenes again, they're the major aromatic And obviously they have a, this is the future.

2:51:37SpeakerI mean, Tony's way into this. He's not, he's in line right now. But this really is the future for figuring it out. When you have pure THC, which we tried years ago, reagent grade THC, we got a hold of it. It was just boring as ditch water. It was really, I realized right away that if All we were given as kids was pure THC. There would be no phenomenon of getting high.

2:52:03SpeakerIt would just be another thing to get stoned on. It really wouldn't be much better than Reds or bottled barbiturates of some sort or just something that gave you a stone. It's all kinds of stuff from the pharmaceutical company. Cannabis makes you high, and that's really the big difference. I'm 90% sure that terpenes have the majority of The fact of making that the case. Yeah. I guess the reason why it comes up so strongly is because the only stability in me being able to produce a product that seems to be having more pharmaceutical-like, you could say, satisfaction.

2:52:45SpeakerIt's working for everybody because I took out all of the different spikes that make people high, and it seems to be boiling down to raw pain relief. And I, in the last two days, I'm getting responses from people who seem to, they have on dead nerves or a car accident shot their arm and the first thing they experience is tingling. And I'm like, okay, well this is not related to the high because the terpenes are gone, but also the contaminants seem to Thank you for joining us.

2:53:36SpeakerI look at, okay, well, if I really want to make a sedative terpene profile, it's about emulating a certain condition, like Afghanistan. And then if I want to create a pharmaceutical product that's for depression, I create a lighting program that emulates the tropics, but really... I just see THC, a medical product, and terpenes, hard to grow, always being lost, as two different fields, and they're disproportionate in their availability.

2:54:06SpeakerBasically, by isolating them and putting them back together, we can produce something that's consistent. It will always smell like your nighttime medicine. It won't be an up or down, ooh, this bag smells less like it's going to work. That's kind of why. It's a circle. You can't separate. It gets to be psychosomatic. Somebody will smell a bag of weed and go, this won't work. Well, it might work perfectly well, but you've already found one that works.

2:54:33SpeakerIt smells like haze or whatever. So down the road, whenever you get things that have that haze, you go, that should work. And it does, because you figure it's going to. This is not clinical science. This is part of the confusion. We're not isolating clinical science. One compound and doing double-blind trials and all the stuff they do to figure this out. We're given a small suite of cannabinoids, which we used to think was responsible for all these differences, until we took a look and realized that basically all we had was THC, and combining it with this much bigger suite of terpenes that cause a myriad of effects, some really good for certain things and some really bad for certain things, I would think.

2:55:18SpeakerOne of the rules in terpenes is not all terpenes are good. You know, some of them are going to make effects that certain people at least don't like. Some of them probably are the ones that make us cough our guts out and lose a perfectly good hit that you could have held in. I mean, for instance, is that a good one? You know.

2:55:38BubblemanThat was awesome, Rob. We had this conversation, Rob, in Amsterdam over the last two or three weeks. I remember you talking about the different degradation of terpenes and how certain hashes could cure out over time and lose sometimes a terpene that you might want it to lose. Exactly. Thank you for watching.

2:56:23BubblemanAnd gets you red in the face when you hit a rip of it. It's interesting to see the difference between those two things. A fresh, fresh frozen as opposed to a properly dried and made full melt dry sieve.

2:56:39SpeakerI think it's healthier for you too. We used to smoke a lot of weed and even freshly made ash, but you notice it more with cannabis. You harvest it, you dry it not quite enough, and you start smoking it. It's autumn. It's time to get high. It was more important back in the days when it was all outdoors. But every year you get a wheezy, nasty, gurgly cough.

2:57:00SpeakerAnd it's partly from smoking wet weed, but it's majoritably from smoking all these fresh, even a couple weeks later, gone. The Afghan people aged their hash for years before they smoked it. Not because they were waiting for shortages or because the Russians were coming or anything. They just preferred to do it that way. They kept it in a cold, dark place, and as a raw product, pretty much, and then did the final cleanup of the farmer's hash before they smoked it.

2:57:30SpeakerAnd it's easier to make hash with something bloody sticky.

2:57:35AtnThey stopped making that type of hash in the late 60s, correct?

2:57:40SpeakerNo. Soon hash was made up, and still probably is still made in Afghanistan, but the good Stuff made by themselves, for themselves, like all good craft in the world, whether it's needlepoint or hash making, gave out in the 70s when the Russians showed up. And the rules were changed and everything. So 71, 72, 73 was the last time you could really get the killer stuff. It was kind of the beginning of people going there, which is a bummer, but what's been made since then has mostly gone through Pakistan and international trade and just been mixed up with all the Stuff that feeds coffee shops and people who don't know any better in Europe.

2:58:24SpeakerIn Canada, we've got a bunch of it up there too, or you used to.

2:58:30SpeakerI think you guys have gone pretty green in Canada now.

2:58:34BubblemanIndeed it has. When are you going to come visit us up in Canada?

2:58:37SpeakerI don't know. I was thinking about coming up to BC in August.

2:58:45BubblemanThe salmon will be fully running like ridiculous. You can pull them out of the ocean with a net. It won't be what I would consider what I would call the best fishing, but you'll catch fish.

2:58:57SpeakerI could eat lots of fresh fish.

2:59:00BubblemanYeah, salmon too. Real nice.

2:59:05SpeakerNow, I was thinking of coming up for the Seattle Hemp Fest and come and seeing you guys and maybe going and seeing John Conroe. That was kind of I hadn't really put anything together yet. I hadn't even told Hill or anybody else, but John said come on up, so I thought I might do that.

2:59:21BubblemanExcellent. Well, you know, that would be nice to get together for a meal with John and Hillary and yourself.

2:59:30SpeakerYeah, yeah. That would be nice.

2:59:36BubblemanYeah, good fun. Good fun.

2:59:40SpeakerThat was a good one.

2:59:41BubblemanIt's 12 o'clock, we've been doing Hash Church for what, 9, 10, 11, 12, 3 hours. We've got 700 people, just under 700 people who have been watching pretty consistently from the beginning. Appreciating Hash Church XL, which is our 40th week doing Hash Church in a row. I haven't missed it. I even drove through a fucking blizzard in Northern Ontario, or sorry, Southern Ontario, to get to God knows where to do the Hash Church that only lasted what, like 20 minutes?

3:00:11BubblemanThe one when I was in Ontario on my way to Jamaica between flights and I left the airport to go do a hash church at my friend's house and we got into like a snowstorm and a fucking like, you know, traffic everywhere and I was just like, man, this is like, hash church should not be this stressful.

3:00:28SpeakerAnd what, can you tell us a little bit on what you, what your, just overall take on it?

3:00:38SpeakerSo,

3:00:40BubblemanI missed that. The overall take on what?

3:00:42SpeakerWhat's going on in Jamaica? What's your synopsis of what's going on? There seems to be a lot of different things.

3:00:50BubblemanThere was a multitude of things that went on. First it was about will they pass the law? Will they be able to get past that treaty? Will they be able to do their own thing? So that was the big thing. And then that happened. Before that happened, they did the decriminalization of two ounces where you couldn't be arrested or jailed for a simple possession of two ounces or less.

3:01:13BubblemanThen it was a bigger thing where it was like, okay, we're going to change the law, but the law is like so crazy in Jamaica. How many different things that It goes from this group and then that group and they sign it and then it goes up to upper senate and lower senate and down to this guy. The governor general sends it to the queen. She sends it back with a stamp.

3:01:30BubblemanLike the most insane amount of shit you could ever fucking possibly imagine, Rob. So once all of that got done, which it has, then those ministers that were in charge of, I'm guessing it's like four ministries. There's many, many ministers in Jamaica. There's probably at least four of them that are having their hand in Creating through the hiring, this is all now not what I would call fact, but mostly what I've read in articles and what's been publicly released knowledge, that they have hired a group of 14 to 16 people.

3:02:06BubblemanI could be wrong. And these are the people that are going to write up the actual legislation of the, whether, I don't know if it's a permit, I don't know if it's a license, I don't know if they're going to come up with a new wording for it. I have no idea. It's Jamaica. I'm just a businessman who's actively involved, waiting with many other companies at this point, because none have been permitted or licensed.

3:02:30BubblemanAll we've heard so far is that UWE and two other schools, UTEC and another one maybe, I think Case has shown interest, have acquired R&D licenses to plant plants. Now, does that mean that there's big research and stuff going on? I don't think so. I think everyone's in the same boat, currently waiting. For permits or licensing or whatever you want to call it, and then I would just let Tony recap on that.

3:03:00TonyI mean, you kind of hit it on the head, but it's really basically like this. They pass their laws, and just like Colorado or Oregon or if California passed their laws, you can't just start going down and getting a license like it's a fishing license, where Oh, okay, it's good to fish now. I'm going to go get my fishing license and I can fish unlimited and I can unlimitedly catch as much fish.

3:03:27TonyWell, that doesn't exist. You have environment issues and, you know, you're allowed to catch certain fish at a certain size, weigh it, certain count when you fish, and there's regulations to every industry. So you can't just have a free-for-all. So they initiate, in my opinion, it's like any other state in how it would work. They initiate Those licenses for research and science first, just like you would see in probably California.

3:03:58TonyYou know, if they went, you would see the universities and the research side kick in right away. And so now they have to create regulations. And because there's, I think, seven ministries, creating regulations within those bodies is going to take some time. I would imagine, I mean, that process, In the United States, it takes six months plus. So that's where they're at. They need to create a body of regulation of how that's going to look, what the limiting is, how much you can grow, or whatever their mechanism is that fits inside their laws.

3:04:35TonyAnd that's just going to take time. So I'm sure you'll see movement in Jamaica.

3:04:47TonyIt's Jamaica. As you know, it takes time. I mean, we'd all love to say you might see something in the next four to six months, but it could take longer.

3:04:57BubblemanKeep in mind, guys, what we're waiting for is something that has never before existed. So even part of your mind is like, could this really even be true? And I think Jamaica is very serious in their intentions of not wanting to fuck it up. They want to make sure everything they do is proper, so it's a legacy instead of some nightmare that they, oh, we did it wrong, now we've got these problems.

3:05:27BubblemanThey really seem to be proceeding with caution. And once again, that's mostly from articles that I've read in the Gleamer and the Observer from Jamaica. They press releases often in regards to this subject.

3:05:44TonyThey even had the mayor from Kingston, the mayor from Kingston even came out to Denver and you know I'm sure they're getting a lot of insight from Colorado and different places that have regulations in play and they have to articulate that and translate in that back into their country to their people because their spirituality Rastafarian There's different layers of things that transcend or translate into their country.

3:06:12TonyLike we have caregivers in Colorado. Well, they're spiritual rights, which there are no spiritual rights in Colorado. So you have to take that into consideration. That was in their laws. And the Rastafarian community. And then there's the commodities community. Like right now, hemp, growing hemp under 1%, To their definition, it's a commodity. And you can grow that as much as you want right now. No license necessary.

3:06:44BubblemanI've got macaroons, too. Everyone's eating macaroons. Are you rocking macaroons there, Tony?

3:06:51TonyNo. This is making my throat feel so good so I can talk. I'd say, you know the mochi balls? The Japanese... Like ice cream, rice.

3:07:06BubblemanOh, nice. You need to pass some of those Jen Doe's way.

3:07:12TonyOh, look at that little macaroon, yeah. Yeah, that would scratch up my throat. I've unfortunately had a, I guess an ear infection and a problem with my equilibrium and taste buds and a cold since last week, Friday.

3:07:28BubblemanTraveling is tough on the body that way, all the planes and stuff. How do you stay, avoid sickness traveling as much as you do, Rob?

3:07:39BubblemanYou got some special methods traveling.

3:07:42SpeakerTake hemp seed oil every day.

3:07:45ToddI don't think you can say that.

3:07:46SpeakerAnd a handful of other basic food supplements, sort of vitamin things. You don't eat as regularly as you should. The older I get, the peakier and eater I am, too. So, yeah. I always make sure I got the basic things in me, all my essential fatty acids, and go from there.

3:08:08TonyI think it was, to be honest with you, it's something that started on Wednesday, and I took, I was sampling some CBD concentrates and some different types of entries and things, and there was one particular one that had a Two types of chemicals in it. I think people are like washing their, they're like doing some kind of extract, whether it's BHO or CO2, and then they're washing it with something else.

3:08:38TonyI'm not really sure what it is, but it's definitely not coming out. And when I hit it, you know, normal vape, but then when, on this nail, I mean, it's known to pool, but at 800 degrees when you have to pour out Whatever chemical was in the concentrate off your nail, then there's definitely something else in there. And I remember hitting that. And ever since I hit that, my throat, my sinuses, and my ears have been extremely inflamed and almost like an allergic reaction.

3:09:16TonyAnd I didn't realize what was going on until it was too late. Because I was trying to smoke through it. And I had to continue And then I got on the plane and that changed. That was probably one of the most painful things is having like that kind of infection in your head and having a head cold and having a migraine and muscle spasms all while going up and down where I thought I had a direct flight from Oakland to Denver, but no, it went to L.A. first.

3:09:45TonySo it was like it went up and down and like literally felt like somebody was putting all kinds of pins and needles in the back of my head It was horrible.

3:09:56BubblemanI've had that before. Coming home from Amsterdam, I had to leave the cup one year early because I got so sick. And my head felt like it was bursting. I came home and when it landed, man, it was at the back of my head. It was all in my eyebrows. And it felt like pins, a thousand of them. I could not believe the pressure and how horrible that was.

3:10:18BubblemanI can't believe you did that multiple times.

3:10:21TonyNo, the second...

3:10:24BubblemanGo ahead.

3:10:25SpeakerI was just going to say, it brings up, you're talking about crap being in some sample you smoked, but have you guys gotten into, I think it's called the Cannabis Safety Institute? The Cannabis Safety Project, or Google it on there, you'll find it on my laptop here, but it's really interesting, they've published four white papers so far, one about fungicides and stuff, and one about different, yeah, all kinds of stuff, but it's basically about trying to To present information that eventually will be used for making legislation to protect consumers.

3:11:00SpeakerIt's good stuff. I just turned on it the other day. I haven't read them all even, but I took a brief look at them, and it's all pretty well thought out good stuff. Cannabis safety. I think that's what it's called.

3:11:12BubblemanWhat do you think about predator bugs and bugs pissing and shitting all over the resin and then having that be extracted? Is that the best idea? Could we do better?

3:11:23SpeakerWell, yeah, I mean, we steer manure, touch our vegetables, do we? Even us organic groovy growers, it's sort of like to wash the cow shit off of our tubers before we eat them raw.

3:11:39BubblemanI guess that's the nice thing about washing resin, you can wash it off.

3:11:44SpeakerYeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, with the water process, you lose some other good things while you're at it, but I've even seen people do this in really dusty, arid places when plants get dust on them. You can see it's there, mineral dust. It's dense and it sinks. You can take a plant or a branch from a plant and slowly dunk it in a barrel of water, something that's deeper than the branches long.

3:12:15SpeakerJust put it in there carefully and move it up and down a little bit. You pull it out very slowly so you don't wash the glands off, hang the sucker up and dry it. And what you get after you're all done is you dump that barrel out, there's a layer of mud in the bottom. So, and not very many resin glands. Yeah.

3:12:38BubblemanPre-wash is essential. Cleaning your material before you wash it and making sure that you understand the thin membrane that separates a pre-wash from you just fucking lost a lot of your good resin in what you were just trying to do a gentle wash with. I'm sure you guys pre-wash over there, Josh?

3:13:01SpeakerOh yeah, definitely. We got the idea from Rob in his book.

3:13:05BubblemanThere you go.

3:13:06SpeakerClean it off. Every time, no matter what, I mean, unless there's a chance that you could just clip it and hang it without touching it at all and it falls right into your bubble bags maybe, but if it's been bagged up or cut or touched or anything in any fashion, broken stuff, there's something that can be rinsed off and sometimes it's really little, sometimes there's more, you know, it's pretty interesting to see the end product because you wash this stuff off, it looks like pretty good stuff, but When you actually do your ice rinse and you see the quality come out, you're like, oh, wow, that would have been in there.

3:13:46SpeakerIf I had to wash it off, it would have made it that much worse.

3:13:51BubblemanWhat size pre-washes are you guys rocking? What do you mean? Are you pre-washing half pounds, pounds, five packs, ten packs? How much do you pre-wash at a time to be gentle and make sure you're not actually washing the resin?

3:14:06SpeakerI've It depends between an ounce to 20 pounds at once.

3:14:14BubblemanNice. 20 pounds at once is a nice pre-wash. Yeah.

3:14:21SpeakerIt's not so much the pre-wash that's nice. It's the wash that comes off of it that's really nice.

3:14:26BubblemanBut it's the pre-wash that makes that wash come off. People used to be like, I don't need a 190 bag, man. That bag sucks. And I'd be like, listen, dude, it's not about, even though you were just puffing 190, which is awesome, you know you did your shit proper when the 190's melting, let me tell you. But people would say, I don't want the 190 bag. Before they really understood the part of that all the bags weren't for collecting resin, but some of them were for separating and cleaning out contaminants that would otherwise get into the resin.

3:14:57BubblemanAnd so that was fun to try and sort of explain to people over the years. No, no, you do want the 190 bag.

3:15:06SpeakerDefinitely. And they're all work bags, if you ask me. You have to work them. You have to get that stuff to wash off. The advantage of the bags is that you can lift them and move them in any kind of way that makes the resin stay and makes the other stuff flow through. You can't just pull them up and let them drain through. They're all work bags.

3:15:32BubblemanYeah, well put. That is well put.

3:15:35SpeakerI just wanted to add one thing. You guys were talking before about trace pesticide contaminants. A lot of the fungicides or insecticides that are often used are tested for food crops, are tested for, again, safety in terms of oral consumption or human contact and not necessarily

3:16:03SpeakerSo as I've said many times before, when you heat up either the raw cannabis flower or extract, you change the chemistry in what's in the trichome. I mean, everything changes as soon as it sees a hot nail or the burning ember of a joint. So you always got to remember that, again, some of these countries where hemp oil was being grown, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:16:55SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

3:17:22SpeakerWhen they're thermally decomposed, make noxious materials that doesn't surprise me can cause severe irritation in the airway. There's no question about it. You know, it's far out that even, it's kind of echoes what goes on in the tobacco industry. This is over 400 compounds that for the last 20 years, there's a list, I mean, get them on the internet, that are allowed to be in American cigarettes.

3:17:50SpeakerOkay, a lot of these things seem to be relatively benign. I mean, bergamot. Okay, bergamot oil. We have that in our Earl Gray tea. Fine. But has anybody ever looked at burning bergamot oil? You know? Right, right. Exactly. And it's insane. They don't even get to shoot it at their own. That's such a bundle of snakes. They didn't even want to go there. They just said, oh, these things are probably okay to eat so you can burn them.

3:18:13SpeakerBut Yeah, and a lot of those compounds that have a lot of nitrogen in them, like a lot of those heterocycles like the nicotines, which has a pyrrolidine ring nitrogen and a purity nitrogen, when those things decompose oxidatively, they make toxic compounds. They make stuff that you shouldn't be coming in contact, let alone breathing deep into your lungs. It's amazing, again, when you look at the essential oil profile of tobacco.

3:18:42SpeakerThat smokers don't drop dead after just a couple years of smoking because the plethora of nitrogen-containing compounds in there that when, again, consumed at elevated temperature completely degrades those into some of the most cancer-causing compounds that we know.

3:19:02BubblemanLike radium-226, which breaks down into polonium-210 and lead-210. Radioactive nucleotides sprayed onto tobacco.

3:19:12ToddThat's bad stuff. Well, can I ask you, Rob, what do you think of, like, D-limonene, which is sold by the gallon on, you know, over the internet as a degreasing solvent used as a taste agent in CO2 oil pens, for instance?

3:19:29SpeakerI think that's dangerous territory. I mean, limonene is not... It's intrinsically bad for us or else pot smokers by now would be showing signs of limonene problems, okay? But we're talking about micro quantities of limonene and other terpenes together. It's never just smoking limonene alone in cannabis. Maybe there's an entourage effect that one helps protect the others.

3:19:56ToddDr. Can I ask what's the difference between limonene and D-limonene technically?

3:20:00SpeakerDr. D-limonene is one isomer They're enantiomers of one another, they're mirroring images of one another, so you have the D and you have the L. One rotates optically active light in the dextrorotatory way, that's the D isomer, and the other in the levorotatory way, which is the L isomer. Limonene itself is the naturally occurring form is D, but when you can make it synthetically, you can make a mixture of both D and L, which are both enantiomers.

3:20:34ToddWhy is it so effective as a degreaser? Why is it sold online in the gallon jug?

3:20:42SpeakerMy own professional opinion is one of the reasons why is it's just all marketing. It's just this orange cleaner bullshit. It's a little bit of smell, a little bit of fragrance. One of the things you have to remember is it takes a whole lot of surfactant to make a limonene water-soluble. So therefore, of course, this shit's going to be a great cleaner. You've got a lot of surfactant in there, which is soap.

3:21:06SpeakerSo it's the soap that's used to basically emulsify limonene that makes it orange cleaner.

3:21:13ToddWhat's the pH of limonene?

3:21:15SpeakerIt's all marketed. It's like antimicrobial soap. There's no reason to put antimicrobial agents in soap. Soap is antimicrobial. It's like throwing sand down at the beach. It's ridiculous. It's all just bullshit marketing. You don't need antimicrobial in soap, right? When's the last time you saw soap attacked by mold? It doesn't. I mean, soap itself denatures membrane itself.

3:21:42ToddBut this is where the CO2 industry is deriving the delineation.

3:21:47SpeakerD-Limonene is just a byproduct of the orange juice industry. That's all. It's a solvent that's extracted from orange peels on shit-ton scale of places like California and Florida just to basically squeeze more product out of their fruit. They could sell it. It's an industrial solvent, and it is a synthetic precursor to some other proprietary flavors and fragrances that are made at very large scale. And used in both food and flavors and fragrance products.

3:22:20ToddNow, just because a terpene is naturally occurring in cannabis, it does not mean that if we... that it isn't going to interact with our bodies the same, is it?

3:22:31SpeakerWell, I mean, that's just it. So if you make a synthetic terpene and it's the same molecule, and in this case the same stereochemical configuration, which is the deconfiguration, there's no way to tell that that D-limonene came from... Thank you for joining us today. We're going to talk a little bit about the different types of terpenes that you can get from orange peels or from cannabis because it's the same molecule.

3:22:53ToddIt's the same identical molecule. So a terpene is a terpene is a terpene no matter if the terpene jumped off.

3:22:57SpeakerAgain, Todd, one distinction we should make is the variety of them are actually terpenoids. Terpenes have a unique formula that means that they don't have an oxygen, but most of them contain an oxygen. Those are what we call Terpenoids, so like linalool and most of what we call terpenes, we're actually referring to a greater class of molecule called terpenoids. And again, all these molecules, like especially the terpenes themselves that don't have oxygen, when you heat them up on a nail in the presence of air, chemistry happens.

3:23:37ToddAnd you're going to convert some of those into other... My next dumb question then is... So a terpene's a terpene and it doesn't matter if the cannabis plant's making it or if a lily's making it or a lilac or a rose, it's a terpene. And now my next dumb question will be does the cannabis plant have unique terpenes that we know of or are we in a situation where there's not enough research to show us what terpenes really exist on the cannabis plant because there's Like, cannabinoids do not occur in any other plants.

3:24:11ToddIs there really nothing to base our comparison to because of the uniqueness of cannabis?

3:24:17SpeakerDr. No. I believe that all plants, my own two cents, and I'll let you speak after that, is just that Mother Nature conserves her chemicals from plant to plant, and each individual species of plant is an individual manifestation of a different spectra or a different flavor. That's there for, again, evolutionary pressure. We can talk about that, why these tastes and smells and fragrances evolve on the fragrant herbs like rosemary and basil and cannabis.

3:24:49SpeakerI continue to look at that whole continuum as just being, again, Mother Nature's Pharmacopeia that provides interesting different aspects to her Thank you for joining us today.

3:25:33SpeakerAnd we're looking at those. And every terpene we talk about, we talk about it because it has a name. And most of those named ones derive their names from the first plant they were isolated from. And they are the most common ones, and they're the ones used in industry. Are there unique ones in cannabis? Likely so. Are they important? A, they haven't been shown to have At least environmentally they wouldn't be so important, we wouldn't think, because they're not showing up in other plants, so they're not doing what Mark is talking about, which would be conservatively using these biosynthetic powers that they have among all kinds of plants.

3:26:17SpeakerThey're pathways that have to evolve, take some energy. So could there be unique ones? Quite possibly. They would be the ones in tiny amounts that are out. In longer GC runs that are more expensive, where people are maybe losing more volatile ones or along the way, something like that, a little bit harder looking. And you'd find peaks that you might find commonly between different varieties that are in very tiny amounts.

3:26:44SpeakerWe don't have an aim for them yet. But whether they'd really be important or not, I kind of doubt it. I'd like to think so. I'd like to think that there's something unique terpene to Chay is the main, Chay is the special thing it is, but I kind of doubt it, because there wouldn't be enough of it in there to really make that much of a difference, you know?

3:27:04ToddHave we identified the terpenes? We do. We're getting close to that sweet, you know, that Cali mousse. Not really.

3:27:10SpeakerI mean, you can read all the taste and aroma things on the internet that we put together for that article I did, but let me give you some hints. Sure. And let's just sit down and do the organoleptic assay yourself of all the different terpenes that you can buy, terpene samples, and get some idea how each one tastes. You can do a wine tasting kind of thing with it.

3:27:32SpeakerWine tasters, in fact, have these cool, people are learning wine tasting. This is so we should remember. I gave this to David years ago, and it was not because he's a wine drinker, he's not, but because it was different aroma bottles. In a set, I only saw this once in a wine shop, and it was maybe 30 different aromas that are aromas that people say they detect in wines.

3:27:56SpeakerSo train your nose to this palette of things. So you could say, oh, that's a bit bramblish, or oh, I get a bit of chocolate from that, or whatever. I'm making fun, but I've never really been a very good wine taster. This gave you ways of classifying the different aromas. The primary dozen most commonly found terpenes in cannabis would be the starter. You could have an expanded one of every terpene that's ever been found in cannabis.

3:28:28SpeakerTiny amounts that people could experiment with. But that said, overdoing it, as I said to you, Mark and Tony, both in the past, putting too much terpenes back on your weed, Dr. I worked in a non-cannabis terpene lab for almost 15 years. As I was looking at different terpenes and everything, and I looked at different essential oils, and we ran NMRs exclusively. We would look at

3:29:10SpeakerAt the mixtures of compound in the NMR because, again, when you put something into a GC, everything changes because when you heat it up in the injection port of the GC at 250, thermodynamics happen. The way I likened it last week on Hash Church is That the molecules start here, and as you heat them up, you push them up a roller coaster, and where they land isn't necessarily where they started.

3:29:33SpeakerYou have just a different set of molecules, and so what we find in the NMR, again, this is really peculiar, is that you can look at certain regions, like the fingerprint region, particularly the fingerprint region, where a lot of the unsaturated terpenes have resonances, and what you can see is from strain to strain, very, very different All of these terpene profiles, what we see is, again, certain hazes have a lot of myrcene in it.

3:30:03SpeakerIt's interesting because myrcene is one of those thermolabile terpenes. In fact, I think when you heat up limonene, it converts to myrcene or vice versa. I can't remember which one. But when you look at the tanges, by definition, there's that limonene peak. You see limonene in all of the tanges. That we've ever looked at. So, again, there is some sort of recognition on the molecules in the mix by what our, you know, nose and, you know, what we're able to sense in terms of the smell and how it tastes to us.

3:30:38SpeakerAbsolutely. It'll be interesting to see how the laboratory data from the good labs that are really trying to do good terpene research and maybe trying to find more than just the basic dozen, to compare that research to what The DNA research comes up with, because you can build a taxonomy on the aromas, just like you can build it on any other secondary products. We used to do it with cannabinoids, and it's kind of blunt.

3:31:05SpeakerThere's not enough cannabinoids. There's enough herpes to get a picture. Dr. I had this conversation with Scott Reach when I was in Colorado last week, and what I said to him is I said, you know, plant variety type patent is a very difficult Thank you for joining us.

3:31:41SpeakerAnd you could look at, you know, the genetics and say, well, the genetics are one thing. What does the oil look like? What is the profile of terpenes? And I could show you a fingerprint match on here's skunk number one, and what you guys are selling is not skunk number one. It's something else. Or if it is genetically, it was grown in a way or something done to it in the preparation that took out what gives it the medicinal value of skunk number one that you're looking for.

3:32:07SpeakerSo it could genetically be the same, like you're saying, but just for Dr. Pompa, Dr. Pompa, Dr. Pompa, Dr. Pompa, Dr. Pompa, Dr. Pompa,

3:32:25ToddI do want to add, I want to add. Can I ask a question then about breeding and it's are we watering down these varieties that we have been, if we're just shuffling the same cards since the 80s so to speak, since skunk one took over indoor growing and we had big bud and afghan and haze and all this stuff hit. If we're just reshuffling the deck, are we watering down the deck, is my question, by mixing these complex hybrids together again and again?

3:32:55SpeakerSure.

3:32:59SpeakerThat's why we made it so dilute. Plants get populations that are a bell curve. All anybody wants for a cut is one end of that bell curve. That's how it all works. It's not consistent breeding largely. It's not individual things coming through with strong traits. We're lucky, really lucky that we still have varieties that taste a little bit like the original Hindu Kush or a little bit like the Haze when it was first its own variety.

3:33:36SpeakerThose Come through in flavors very well, but they're so dilute by now. They're an eighth or a sixteenth or something of a lot of these varieties. The rest of the things are just masked. They're just lost. It's a big mishmash. On the average, we have a mishmash, but then you can still go through and pick out a unique cut that produces well indoors, has the agronomic characters, and also makes you high the way you want it.

3:33:59SpeakerIt tastes attractive. It smells attractive.

3:34:03ToddOne of the things I walked away from with

3:34:07ToddWhen I started getting basically schooled on the uniqueness of genetics was just that, because after coming from Northern California and learning how to grow outdoor greenhouse with guys like Richard Davis, who sadly are now deceased, but was doing it for 20 years back in the early 90s when I met him. And it was that they would grow these seed crops year after year. And in my eyes, those beautiful mother plants that were so unique.

3:34:33ToddIn Holland, we would get into a place where you guys would do a sex and selection, and that mother plant would go on to become this heralded and kept lady, if you will, that had a breeding and an offspring and the whole side of it. And I think now... In this all, what we're trying to express to people is that each plant is unique, like a brother or a sister.

3:34:57ToddYou can put the parents together again and again, you're only going to get one Einstein. I think that picking out that Albert Einstein and mothering it and keeping it alive and sharing it with your friends, that's really it. The other thing I also got when I walked away from you guys was all these people Thank you for watching.

3:35:35ToddWell, the truth of the matter was, is I was just trying to understand all these different strains. At the time, I was trying to collect what would have been from eight weeks or earlier to 16 weeks and longer, if I could have got my hands on it, and trying to just identify these different weeks like colors, if you will. And I feel right now, I don't know if you'd agree, but like some Like picture a box of Crayola crayons with 16 crayons.

3:36:00ToddWell, we've only been playing with the first 8, if you will, or 9, or 10, in the first 10 weeks of color. No one really colors with the 13, 14, 15, 16-week plants right now. So we don't know these terpenes. We don't know these cannabinoid profiles, and until people start growing longer gardens and And really taking the time to mother more plants, because that's when they're going to find these unique plants.

3:36:31AtnTodd, when we ran our initial testing, when we started to do lab testing, exactly what Rob said, we found that say 90 to 95% of the tests that we ran on UVH PLC came out to be very similar spikes. And so I agree, there's some sort of homogenization because we're finding it in the spikes, but I think the diversity is then in the terpenes through these bastardizations, these back crosses, these crazy happy accidents that we now see and that we're now plethorized with.

3:37:04AtnBut still, I agree, when we actually run the actual tests and see the spikes, the spikes are very similar. So then it's to Now we can use science to look for that 8%, that 5%, those things that are unique because now we can look for something that is unique. That's how we're finding these CBD spikes that are unique because of how high the CBD spike was. And so we're able then to identify that and then we put a name to it, Harlequin, then there became Charlotte's Web and these others.

3:37:36AtnSo it's continuing to isolate but Would you agree, Rob, that just due to the bastardization, these profiles are very similar all in all?

3:37:46SpeakerYeah, absolutely. The only thing that's causing any medical or recreational differences in these six really is the terpenes. Back to that.

3:37:58ToddDo you think it's also the combination of the cannabinoids present?

3:38:01SpeakerSure. They're all synergistic with each cannabinoid, but basically what we're looking at is one cannabinoid, THC.

3:38:09ToddBut are we anymore? Because now that CBD is into the mix, I know that THC was, you know, the important kid on the block for a minute, but now we're seeing this non-psychoactive cannabinoid standing on its own in some instances, having anti-epileptic and other medical usefulness. So now are we going to start looking at the cannabinoids kind of with a broader mindset and maybe, you know... Not to discredit THC and all we've understood about it, but is it a possibility we might have another 1963 and start understanding the uniqueness of the nine psychoactive compounds?

3:38:44SpeakerI think we are. I mean, it's got five indications that THC is good for and 15 indications that CBD is good for, and about probably all of them overlap with THC. So, okay, people are taunting CBD a lot these days. They're touting it because it's the legal cannabinoid, in theory. So they're really looking for things that's good for them. But people already really look pretty hard for things THC was good for.

3:39:15SpeakerSo it's no miracle drug, but there's a hell of a lot of research to be done, and there's no restrictions on it. So I expect to see CBD work with a lot. What I also expect to see is the medical community saying...

3:39:30SpeakerWe've told you all along and we still continue to tell you that in America we find no medical value for marijuana. And we're saying we still don't because it isn't marijuana. It really isn't. Marijuana is the stuff to get your eye. This is CBD. It's from hemp. So we're fine with that. So we're going to medicate with hemp. And you pot smokers can go off and do what you've always done and fine.

3:39:52SpeakerThey might even use CBD as the same excuse they've used marijuana. You guys have got your cannabis medicine. It's called Marinol. Go get a script. Go take it. What do you guys need marijuana for? Use modern medicine. There you go. There's one right there. Does everybody use it? No, because it sucks.

3:40:13ToddIt's still there.

3:40:17SpeakerWe're dealing with major problems here to come.

3:40:24ToddWell, the fight's not over. The effort to teach people what's really going on is still the biggest struggle that we face right now because there's a lack of understanding by painting THC as the, you know, scapegoat or bad person or bad molecule, we should say. It's wrong. And, you know, and I think that things should be judged on the merit of their safety and not on the paranoia of the people that don't understand them.

3:40:47TonyWell, I wanted to chime in on some stuff.

3:40:49ToddI listed in our little chat here a bunch of...

3:40:53TonyBasic understanding in terms of the different terpenoids that are found in plants and phytochemicals within living organizms and the isoprene chemical channels for terpenes and terpenoids and how those can be, those are all going to sequence out in different variable forms. So when we're talking about having, I actually disagree with Mark in the sense that When you say I can identify somebody's trademark in an extract, unless that extract, and I'm not trying to knock on what you said, but unless that extract is performed in a certain type of environmental process, meaning I know for a fact from the last time I saw Rob, the way that I'm extracting terpenes is completely different than that time, because temperatures And pressure and time changes that configuration and that sequence of terpenes and monoterpenes and these different types of combinations.

3:42:02TonySo the tangy in its flower stage has layers of terpenoids and the aroma that's coming off of that tangy has a different impact in when you're going to extract it if you extracted it with, say, a hydrocarbon or water extraction. Or in the terpene extraction or if you're steam distillations, depending on what you're doing to that profile, unless you're able to just completely take it out in a cold press process, even in that stage, even with pressure, I've found that those things change.

3:42:42TonySo it's really hard to duplicate the DNA profile in any type of extract. Unless it's everyone's doing the exact same type of extract in this controlled extraction process. So some of them are hydrophobic, some of them are hydrophilic, whether they like water, don't like water, they're attracted to oxygen or not, all these things matter. So, you know, you could get a tangerine haze from the flower to smell and taste a lot and mimic a lot like that flower, but...

3:43:18TonyYou know, I think you're on point with the proton NMRs being the way to go, being able to see things on the atomic level. That's really when you're getting into it, and you're like, here's the flower, and then every one of these tests moving forward, we're going to have this type of extract. It may not even be what people are smoking, but this type of extract, so we can get a pure plant profile unadulterated.

3:43:43TonyIn multiple levels of that extract, because we have different trichomes, different essential oils, different terpenoids, different type of mediums that we have to pull from that. And then you have to study the flower itself. You have to study the flower on the plant, study the flower dead, study it cured a certain way. There's like every which way parameter that you have to study it. I don't think the GC and the HPLC is a go-to single unit source.

3:44:08TonyI think it's a combination of using the proton NMR, a mass spec, HPLC has its place, but I think that it's hard for us to put our finger on something without the proper tools. And so HPLCs, they're heating up, they're changing things, and then they're making it seem like, oh, we're converting this terpene into this unknown terpene, and it consists of 50%. It might be because of that machine.

3:44:38TonyBecause at 250 degrees, when you put beta-chlorophyllene in there or myosine in there, that's what you get at 250 degrees every time. And so it's giving gray data, if you will. You know?

3:44:55SpeakerYeah, the gas chromatograph is the profile of what's volatile at that temperature under those conditions. And again, there's no question about it that at those conditions, which typically I think the AHP method, the injection port temperature, there's a hold actually on that method. So the sample actually stays at that temperature. I think it's 250 degrees centigrade, so you can convert it to Fahrenheit to see how hot that is in Fahrenheit.

3:45:28SpeakerBut I have practical experience where you can look at the NMR, which is at room temperature, which has had no thermal history at all, take that same sample, shoot it into the GC, and you see something just completely different because, again, on the GC and at that temperature, especially in the presence of air, you're going to start to see reaction. And you should. I mean, you should not expect these things to sort of be inert.

3:45:56ToddBut the other thing, Tony... Well, can I bring this up? Can I interrupt for one little thought? You know, Kenny brings this up all the time. He feels that all of the old terpene results are very suspect because they were done with gas chromatography, which is not an effective means of measuring them. And all these terpene conversations that he's read in research papers are... Thanks for watching.

3:46:40ToddRealiztically, we kind of have to take all these old research papers with a grain of salt because we can see the hole in the bucket in which, so to speak, in which they were done with. Do you agree with that, Rob?

3:46:52SpeakerYeah, sure. Every time you develop new technologies, you get new data sets that, in theory, give you more information and you make new conclusions. Now you have NMR, the proton NMR. Who knows what they'll have next time around?

3:47:08AtnWell, I have that. Hey, Rob, have you heard of evaporative light scattering, ELSD? Yes. What I found is that what they're doing with edibles is they're taking edibles to get equal sample testing. They're taking diatomaceous earth. Freeze drying the sample, mixing in equally the diatomaceous earth, getting a stable sample throughout, and then putting that through the ELSD and getting sampling and getting spikes that are more consistent than with UV or MS detection.

3:47:50SpeakerDr. See, there you go. More scientists developing new protocols. Great stuff. Dr. The ELSD, is that like 2C-B?

3:47:59AtnNo, I wish. No, it's a new company. I was part of the, a long time ago, we started the Medical Cannabis Safety Council, and it was wound into Americans for Safe Access into their patient's first certification program. And this week, they had a webinar where they talked about the Revelaris CREP Purification System, an EL, S D and how effective it is and actually finding what they're able to find including CBC, CBN, THC, CBD, CBG, THCV along with the acids.

3:48:44AtnSo that's what they're doing and they're able to test edibles because prior there was a problem with Testing edibles, or we found when we were dealing with edibles is that I could have a cookie like this, but depending on how the oil is saturated, the concentration could be over in this side of the cookie, etc., etc. So it still has to be worked out to how we put things into edibles and how they're actually transferred, but when we started to test them, all we had was GS and UVH PLC, and we were having problems with that.

3:49:17AtnSo I was excited to hear about a new testing method for edibles with this new ELSD machine and the diatomaceous earth. I thought, wow, that's just an interesting combination. But supposedly through the centrifugation and the freezing it at the liquid nitrogen, it actually makes an even sample that can be tested properly and consistently. So we have a new set of series of testing that we can go by.

3:49:44TonyNow you're talking my language. I'm looking at it. It's negative 80 Celsius, negative 40 Celsius, and the highest temp is 40 Celsius in this single mode. I just posted the links in the chat room on the unit.

3:49:59BubblemanWhat about in Hash Church? Why don't we post it in Hash Church so it's, you know, each time we discuss a certain group of discussions, we can get that. I mean, I'll do it right now, but it doesn't always have to be one person by any means. You know, simply put, the best parts of the conversation should get posted into a thread in the Hash Church group.

3:50:22BubblemanYou mean there's another group? Yeah, it's called Hash Church.

3:50:26TonyOkay. I thought this was just you guys and us this whole time. What do you mean?

3:50:38BubblemanThere's 153 of our buddies.

3:50:41ToddHey guys, we're going to jump. I have to bring Rob back to the Direct to Die concert, which I'm not attending tonight, which he was so sweet and brought me to. It was really nice hanging out with everybody today.

3:50:50SpeakerYeah, good to see you guys.

3:50:52BubblemanThanks for coming out, guys. Good to see you, Rob. Good to see you, Todd, as always. You guys made Hash Church episode 40 a special one. Thank you so much.

3:51:03TonyLots of love, everybody. Yeah, great.

3:51:05AtnHey, Todd, hop down to my house on your way out. I have a gift for Rob.

3:51:10ToddYes, sir.

3:51:10AtnOkay.

3:51:11ToddAll right. See you in a little bit. A gift for Rob. All right, everybody. All right. Peace and love.

3:51:19SpeakerAll right, y'all.

3:51:19ToddBye.

3:51:20SpeakerStay strong, huh? Thanks. Very nice. I want a gift for Rob, man. Where's my gift for Rob?

3:51:28BubblemanWhere's your gift for Rob?

3:51:30SpeakerI'm only kidding.

3:51:35SpeakerMy gift was hanging out with Todd and ATN at Secret Sesh. That was a lot of fun. Absolutely.

3:51:42BubblemanWell, hopefully we can all make it to Jamaica for the World Cannabis Cup, and we will potentially have our Hash Church booth there. See what happens. I think it's going to happen. I actually had some people donate in the course of about 150 US dollars so far through the little button on the YouTube channel there that's on the banner of Bubble Man's World. It just says PayPal donation.

3:52:07BubblemanAnd that is a hash church booth at the Cannabis Cup in Jamaica. I want to have a place where people don't have to miss people but have all one place to hang out. Of course we're all friends with everyone in the industry and we could easily all be hanging out at a booth. But I sure love the idea of having a booth that gives us a spot to all hang out at, a good sort of central place for everyone who's been on the panel and all the people who have watched.

3:52:34BubblemanIt really gives the people who have watched and are chatting a place to kind of come and hang out and bring up past church conversations. Some people really want to get in on this stuff conversation-wise.

3:52:49AtnHow was your nap, Darren?

3:52:52SpeakerPerfect, man.

3:52:53BubblemanDTFO.

3:52:55SpeakerIs that what happened to him?

3:52:57BubblemanNo, he was just like, I'm going to go hang out on the couch for a bit. I was like, all right. Yeah, me and Oreo, hanging out. He was hanging out with O. Eating some cookies. Eating cookies. Not a bad thing. Would you like a bong wrap? Yeah, of course I would. Now that you're back on church, we're almost over. It's almost 1 o'clock. We've done. A four solid hours of hash church goodness.

3:53:24BubblemanIt's been a nice one.

3:53:27AtnAnd an all-star one at that. Holy shit. It looks so good.

3:53:33SpeakerOh, man. Perfect. There you go. Gooey.

3:53:40BubblemanYou got any stories you want to share with us, Jen, before we take off? Any little things? Any little sort of hellos and goodbyes? Tell us a story, Jen.

3:53:49SpeakerOh, man.

3:53:52SpeakerI have a story that's totally irrelevant to Hash Church. Perfect! Yeah, so I purchased some ducks for a friend. A couple ducks and a couple geese. They actually need to go outside, so as soon as I'm done, we're going to go walk the ducks. There's one! Oh my goodness! Let's see. Alright, so this one right here is actually kind of handicapped.

3:54:23SpeakerWhen I bought it, the lady said, this one kind of walks in circles and doesn't really know what's going on and, you know, like, I'm not sure what's up with it. You don't have to buy it if you don't want it because it's basically a defective duck. And I was like, oh my God, I'm taking it. So I let them hang out outside in the yard and I've got this little pool for them.

3:54:45SpeakerYou know, it's like this big because they're this big. So, I keep going out to check on them. Well, this little one just kind of gets left behind all the time. Like, they kind of stay near it, but the other four will be here, and the little one's over here walking in circles. No joke. And so, apparently, through the period of about half an hour, I went outside and did my head count on all the ducks and was like, oh no, the little special one's missing.

3:55:16SpeakerSo I felt like a terrible mother and I'm searching everywhere for this duck and I was listening and I could hear it screaming and I was like, is that the duck? No fucking way, that sounds so far away. There's no way it could have gotten clear over there. So I walk clear down to the bottom of my property following this duck just screaming away and I get about three feet away from my back fence that's all barbed wire to the next property.

3:55:44SpeakerNo getting over that. And I hear this duck in there, and I see it kind of run. Well, the fucked up thing is, is that whole part of the property is blackberry bushes. And so I'm in flip flops and a dress and no sleeves, and all I can think is, oh baby, come here! So I go running through this fucking blackberry bush. And sure as shit, there's that poor little duck just sitting there screaming like, oh my god!

3:56:11SpeakerSo it did too many circles and managed to wander, like, close to a fucking acre. And somehow, I was able to find this little duck. Like, literally, if it would have went under my fence, I wouldn't have been able to get to it because the barbed wire is, like, here and the blackberry bush is enough. So, anyway, moral of the story is I found the duck and she's awesome and, uh, Yeah, I only got, you know, minor abrasions.

3:56:46TonyDamn.

3:56:47SpeakerSo, I mean, all up and down my legs are pretty bad, but I didn't feel the blackberry bush until I had the duck in my hand.

3:56:56BubblemanHave you thought about giving phytocannabinoids?

3:56:59SpeakerYes, absolutely.

3:57:02BubblemanIncreases brain function, maybe.

3:57:04SpeakerYes. I need to get my hands on some CBDs. I don't have any that will be finished for a moment, so... Yeah, I'm going to give the rest of the ducks to my friend that I got them for, but I'm going to keep this one duck. The other funny story is we're going to keep this one duck because I have this naked neck chicken that is an outcast.

3:57:25SpeakerThe other chickens killed its little naked neck friend, and so I have to keep this one chicken separate. So this chicken has been looking out for this duck. And they've been hanging out in their little group together. All the other chickens are over here being dicks. This one chicken's like, what's up, ducks? So that one kind of needs a friend. So we're going to keep the special duck to be friends with the chicken.

3:57:54TonySpecial duck. Oh, yeah.

3:57:58SpeakerThat's the highlight of the farm. So I don't know. That's about all the stories that I really have right now.

3:58:05BubblemanWell, I'm glad you shared them with us. That's a great way to take us out of past church today. Maybe a couple of duck stories and throw in a chicken for good measure. And as long as it doesn't involve a turducken, I'm down, always.

3:58:20SpeakerIt looks like a turducken, I've been told. Have you seen the naked neck chickens? No. Turducken. The whole neck is naked except for this one little poof of feathers right here that looks like a little, like, It's got like a feather pendant right here. It's got like a bowler on its head and from there down to its body is totally bare. I'll shoot you guys pictures. I'll post some pictures because it's the fucking cutest damn thing I've ever seen.

3:58:52SpeakerI'm going to entertain myself some way.

3:58:55BubblemanAbsolutely. I think it's valiant of you to keep that duck. You never know. They might have offed him.

3:59:04SpeakerThey would have offed him. Baby duck soup.

3:59:08BubblemanBaby duck soup. Well, glad that they didn't and that he's alive. And thank you everyone for coming out to Hash Church 40. That was four solid hours of awesomeness. It's 1 p.m. and I'm always excited to say adios. Have a great day, everyone, and thanks for coming in. I really do appreciate it. Past Church 41 coming up next week. You guys there. Play us out, Mark. Play us out.

3:59:34SpeakerI was doing Turkey in the Straw since we were talking about turducken, right? Turkey in the Straw

3:59:46SpeakerThank you.