Trichome Technologies, Dr. David Allen and The Endocannabinoid System

0:02BubblemanAll right, looks like we are live, guys. Welcome to Hash Church. We are here today with a good variety of people. We've got Todd McCormick and Kay from Tricomic Technologies that's going to be stopping by down in California. We've got Tony Verzura who's going to be stopping by from California. Colorado, River Rock, and United Cannabis. The reason I sound a little sketchy while I'm talking is because I'm trying to remember all the names of the people that I'm going to invite into Hash Church today.

0:38BubblemanAnd there's a ton of new people. So I got to make sure that we get all the right folks in. And I have an expectation that it's going to be an amazing Hash Church today. I'm here in Whistler, BC at my good buddy Devin's place, Devin and Ethan. And there's Devin. What's up? Woo! All right.

0:58SpeakerLooks like we are live, guys. Welcome to... Look at that. Little delay. Welcome to Flash Church. Little delay there. Oh, really? Puts it right on the air.

1:05BubblemanGood morning. Yeah, there's a bunch of people in chat right now. We've got Mike Alcorda, Danny Artco, Brian Church, Joe Ross, Kev from Norfolk, Neil Faril, Dab Nabbit, I'm High Riot Now, Zanuis, Alex Cortez, Ripper Joe, The Pure THC, Awesome. Glad to see you guys all. Let me see. I also need to send this link out to... Oh, Matt Barron. Matt Barron, the great gardener's coming in today.

1:35BubblemanSee, I'm forgetting all sorts of different people that want to come into Hash Church today. I spoke briefly with True from True Cannabis Bliss Genetics. He's going to be coming in today. Send the link out to Mr. Tony Verzura. And I'm sure we'll get some people coming into Hash Church here sooner than later. I've got my D-Nail all lit up and ready to go. Yeah, we could get Soma in here one time.

1:59BubblemanThat's probably not completely impossible. We've already got 134 people watching Hash Church, and we've been online for one minute. Awesome, guys. Good to see. You guys are going to like Hash Church this week. Trust me. Let me go into my Facebook profile really quick and check my post from yesterday because I wrote down all the different people that I was going to be having in. Robert Connell, Matt Barron, Jen Doe, David Allen, Robert Clark.

2:28BubblemanAll right, they are all sent the link. Excellent, excellent, excellent. And I guess it's time for a little... All right, here we go. I should chime in from the seed desk. You could chime in from the Seed Desk if you like Brian Perdue, Mr. Cookie. Always welcome. Hash Hash Church to all the Reshin Hashishins. Ganjika Steam. Give thanks is right. It was a little bit of a crazy day for me today, getting in here, but I managed to do it.

3:01BubblemanWe got Horatio in the room, and we got True Canna Genetics, and I think I see Ramon over there!

3:10SpeakerOCD!

3:11BubblemanI'm a little OCD myself and in fact Horatio is definitely, definitely OCD. So you might want to do a delimiting section of your OCD labs. You and Horatio should get together and rock it out. I don't know if you guys even know each other but Horatio does the delimiting extracts and OCD, well they do it all dude. They're like you too Horatio. They got the dry sift on lock, they got the water hash on lock, they got the sealed hydrocarbon Extractions on lock, and they're my good friends.

3:45SpeakerYeah, we'll be aware of Horatio as well. We should know each other. Say something so I can hear you talk.

3:51BubblemanYou're on mute. I can't hear you, Casey. Can you talk, Horatio? Yeah, I can hear Casey. Ooh, I can't hear Horatio either.

3:58SpeakerI don't know. We should be good, no?

4:02BubblemanI just can't. Can these guys hear each other but not me? I've got to figure this out because this is a potential. Yes, they can hear each other. But I can't hear them.

4:11SpeakerWe haven't got time for audio. Now I hear you.

4:18BubblemanIt might be the internet that's coming in so shitty that we're not catching it. This will be a bummer for me if I can't hear people talk. This will be a little bit of a hash church. I just heard you talk, True. Can you talk again?

4:30SpeakerYep, yep, I can talk again. I've been thinking, Horatio, I've been thinking...

4:35BubblemanI think that it has to be the internet. I can't hear a word they're saying. I heard him talk briefly.

4:41SpeakerYeah, but it doesn't make sense. You're moving quick and everyone else is like... It would be fucking stalling out if it was the internet.

4:48BubblemanYeah. Well, we're going to have a bit of a rough church today if I don't have... If I don't have sound, boys. Horatio can hear us both talking at the same time. Yeah, let's try that then. Let's try the speaker. I can just tell it's not working.

5:10SpeakerOh my God.

5:11BubblemanI might have to come back, boys. Make another little, or change, close all these other pages I have open right now.

5:19SpeakerCan you hear anything on the internet?

5:21BubblemanHoratio doesn't see the chat. Okay, Marley, Horatio, do you know why your camera is always so yellow? It's actually cool. Yeah, he uses a special light. Man, we've got to figure this out, boys. I need to be able to hear you talk or this is going to be rough.

5:35SpeakerWe thought he consumed so much limonene oil that he actually had a yellow tinge.

5:41BubblemanIt's true. The yellow tinge does come from the D-limonene oil extraction. Horatio was a very nice color of light or medium to dark brown. And after all of the orange peels and all of the D-limonene extracts, okay, I'm just being silly. He is not. He's a lighting guy. He always comes in with the coolest lighting.

6:03SpeakerSome second.

6:06BubblemanSay something Horatio, I want to hear you.

6:08SpeakerI'm frozen by the... I can't hear him. No, he's gone quiet on us too. He's frozen. You can't hear me either? Okay, well at least we can hear him.

6:17BubblemanOkay, exactly. At least we can hear True, and at least people can hear me, and we'll figure out Horatio. A little bit of technical difficulties today here in Hash Church, guys. Like I said, I'm at a new place. I've never done Hash Church from here before. Samantha Elvey. Okay, I do want you in Hash Church, Samantha. So let's see if you can send me a message on my Facebook, because I'm not sure if I have you, Samantha.

6:41BubblemanLet's see, Samantha Elvey. I do not have you in my Facebook, Samantha. I could try to send you the link via... Let me see what I got here, because I remember your email. There you are, Samantha Elvey. Okay, I'll send you the email out real quick. Samantha is a... Well, you know what? I'm not even going to tell you anything about Samantha. I'm going to let you guys tell...

7:07BubblemanI'm going to let her tell her story. And she's a medical cannabis user, and she's got a pretty powerful story in regards to how cannabis has helped her.

7:18BubblemanSo I just sent you the link, Samantha.

7:24BubblemanThey can hear... I still can't hear Horatio, but he's on mute.

7:29SpeakerDo you see him doing the head thing?

7:35BubblemanWow, that's awesome. We'll call him Max Horatio.

7:43BubblemanSo how's Amsterdam, my friends?

7:45SpeakerYeah, it's cold. Cold and wet lately, but good. Can't complain. Life's always good in Amsterdam. Even the worst day in Amsterdam always puts a smile on my face.

7:56BubblemanI feel the same way about Whistler. I don't know if you met my good buddy Devin, but I ride backcountry and snowboard with him all the time. Super, super chill dude up here in Whistler, and he's letting me do hash church from his house today.

8:07SpeakerAwesome. Yeah, Whistler looks incredible. As far as paradises go, that is an incredible looking place. Everyone who's there seems to be happy and in love with life, so it's definitely got something special about it.

8:21BubblemanYep. Yeah, no, it's super good. Super good. Let's get full melt stew in here. I always have a little bit of technical difficulties that I have to do in the mornings here because I'm getting a lot of messages from different people. So I can see and hear you guys, but how do I talk? I'm on my phone. Maybe better on a computer. Yeah, go on the computer.

8:43BubblemanHe says he can see us, but I don't see him in the chat myself, so we'll see if he makes it a different chat window. Horatio's having a little bit of a problem too.

8:53SpeakerI'm excited to talk to Horatio about his extractions, the waters and oils.

9:05BubblemanYeah, you guys can trip out on his stuff. He's definitely a knowledgeable dude that knows what he's doing and it's interesting, you know. It's the first oil that I smoked in, my God, like 15, 20 years. Welcome Full Melt Stew, Bubble Ambassador from Saskatchewan and And Rockstar.

9:24SpeakerI've been to Saskatchewan. What is your name again? Saskatoon. Oh, really? Saskatoon, yeah? So I'm in Regina, the city that rhymes with fun.

9:38BubblemanYes, Stu is from Vagina, which these guys in Amsterdam know quite well. They have whole sections of Vagina.

9:45SpeakerVagina. I've seen it many times. Not the actual vagina, but I've seen it behind glass. You've never seen an actual vagina, Stu? Not in Amsterdam, no, unfortunately.

9:54BubblemanHey, welcome, Dr. David Allen, to the chat room. Oh, I'll hold the coil, yes. Nice. My buddy just took a giant rip out of the mothership, and he's like, can you hold the coil while I go put some fucking water in the bong?

10:10SpeakerUh, if you haven't done that, you don't dive enough.

10:16BubblemanHey listen, I did a whole show with John at Mega Ale Pizza about eight months ago. We puffed. It wasn't until the last puff I was like, holy shit, the bone doesn't have any water.

10:27SpeakerThat's when you know you've got good quality, when you can hit it and it doesn't rip the stuff out of your throat and there's no water in there. That's where it happens.

10:37BubblemanWe're going to get some audio working on MS Bluesman, Mr. David Allen. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Dr. David Allen, but he's somewhat of an endocannabinoid specialist, and he's kind of really inspirational on the level of in-depth information that he can get into while explaining all these little things that we kind of know the surface of. He's able to go a little bit deeper due to his training as a medical doctor.

11:02SpeakerI agree with you there. Certain things I feel I have an instinct about, but I don't really have the book knowledge. It does help hugely when you hear someone like this break it down. You feel yourself worn towards that kind of information and what it's saying until it's broken down and given scientific evidence. We've got a lot of information. We wonder if we're just in the wrong direction altogether.

11:26SpeakerSo it's wonderful to get people that have got the passion and the scientific knowledge to combine the two and really give us all that next level of knowledge that we kind of need to take things forward.

11:38BubblemanExactly. And the way I see it too is that if we're so interested in building a hash quiver, oh, I've got this technique and that technique, I'm dry sifting, I'm chemical extracting, I'm wet washing, well then why wouldn't we build A hash team quiver, a quiver of people that are like those techniques that bring specific information and knowledge. We're not all going to be able to be experts on all the different areas, but if we build ourselves a quiver, you know, with the Horatios and the Trues and the OCDs and the Full Melt Stews and the Dr. David Allens, well then we get this really cool thing like Hash Church.

12:13BubblemanWe've been on for five minutes. We've got 207 people watching right now. They're interested to see literally what we're going to come up with. It's very chill. We're just going to puff bowls and talk. Inevitably, these really cool doors get opened through Hash Church. It would be neat one day if someone went through the Hash Churches and they edited out the gems, made like a two-hour long video.

12:37BubblemanThat would be cool. Holy shit, would that be cool.

12:41SpeakerIs your mic working, David?

12:45BubblemanNo, he's having mic problems again. We'll get them talking. Keep trying. We want you in here. We know what you have to say is of value.

12:55SpeakerI've got to be honest, what you were saying is like sometimes I find the ideas I've got myself bouncing around my head and there's only so far they get, but the way past church has been working recently, I'll pick up on little bits and watch them through the week and sometimes have it repeated in the background and then what I find is that other seeds are planted in my head and I go away and I'm thinking not only about the ideas and directions that I've been going in, but then I'm thinking about all the other little seeds that have been planted by everyone else and I'm finding my own thought pattern a lot more productive.

13:25SpeakerI'm coming up with a lot more theories to try out and a lot more direction in what I want to figure out and where I'm going with it. Awesome. It's definitely working. The whole community bounce ideas around.

13:42BubblemanThat's the way to do it. That's the way to do it.

13:44SpeakerI'm going to be in and out today, but I'm going to be running some critical mass today.

13:49BubblemanAwesome, dude. Tell us a little bit about it.

13:52SpeakerWell, it was growing, it just got given to me by the Green Canvas here in Regina. Again, it was some material that I've been holding on to for a couple of weeks, about three weeks now actually. It was a plant that in the room they went out to a trade show and in the room their heater went on them and because of the cold we had, this one section of the room before plants completely froze.

14:15SpeakerSo what happened was they've given it to me just to run. It was about two weeks away from harvest. So I'm going to run it and see what we can do with it today.

14:25BubblemanAwesome, dude. I was just pulling out all my hash while you were saying that. I brought a little bit of a stash today to smoke during hash church. So we're going to get it on.

14:34SpeakerNice. So yeah, I'll be dropping in and out. And I'll show you, hopefully, if we're still kicking in a couple hours here, I'll bring out some globs.

14:41BubblemanAnd what about green canvas, did you say? Yes, sir. Can you tell us a little bit about those guys and what they're up to?

14:47SpeakerWell, those guys, they're a collective, more of a cooperative here in Regina. They aren't a dispensary per se, but they have a facility that they can facilitate patients with. The cooperative is really good. We've got about, they have about 10 growers now working for them. All different strains helping for all their different patients' needs. So they're just getting into the full melt bubble now. So I'm just trying to, I think I was talking to you, Mark, about it, and it's kind of difficult to sell organic to Safeway shoppers.

15:19SpeakerYou know what I mean? So it's a beginner thing right now. We're trying to get it to them. It's such a new thing here. It's really, because everyone's into BHO. Everyone's into Dabin. Yeah.

15:31BubblemanBut that's prohibition driven too, right? It always goes down to the profit margin, but we always know that for medicinal reasons, and I'm not trying to slam on BHO, but we know that the majority of people that are making it are making it incorrectly. And in which case, when you try to promote something as a medicine, and it actually becomes more harmful if you're, say, inhaling mercaptines, which are accumulative in the body, they affect the central nervous system.

15:57BubblemanThis is definitely not going to be something that we would consider medicinal. On a side note, I just looked at my friend's little ashtray and I was like, what do you have, like a piece of shit in there? And he's like, no dude, that's finger hash. So he just got this rocking fucking chunk of finger hash. I can't even believe it. When I picked it up, I literally thought, I literally thought, I literally thought, I literally Hey, beautiful.

16:23BubblemanI think Johnny's coming through. I'll just mute him real quick. There we go. Welcome, Johnny. And welcome, Samantha Elvey and her boyfriend. Welcome, guys.

16:36JohnnyHello.

16:37BubblemanAwesome.

16:38SpeakerCan you hear us?

16:40BubblemanYes, I can hear you guys great. If you guys want to give yourselves a little introduction and maybe I haven't told anyone anything about your story, Samantha, but I'm sure everyone would love to hear about it.

16:50SpeakerRight on.

16:51JohnnyDo you want me to just go in now? Yeah, cool. Well, I've been using marijuana medicinally since I was about 13, 14 years old. Basically, I was born with a very rare genetic condition. When I say rare, I mean there's only two people in the whole world that have it, me being one and my dad being the other.

17:17JohnnyBasically what it meant when I was born, all my fingers were fused together. I don't actually have any opposable thumbs. When I was two years old, they unjoined all of my fingers, just to give me the hands that I've got today. All my joints deformed. I've got really big bones, really dense bones. I don't have an ankle joint in my right foot. It's just a solid bone.

17:46JohnnyAnd when I was born, my right foot was basically joined straight underneath my knee. I didn't really have a tibia fibula or sort of basically a right leg there. So when I was four years old, they started lengthening my leg, so I had an illusory frame Thank you so much for joining us.

18:33JohnnyYeah, I've had to learn to walk, I think it was about a total of five times. I spent most of my childhood in a wheelchair or on crutches, unable to use my legs. And it was during the final lot of surgeries I was having, they were actually the toughest, and I think it was just my body was so worn out by that point, it was really sort of struggling and I had terrible back pain and...

18:56JohnnyI was on morphine, diazepam, tramadol, really strong painkillers. And I've been on all these pharmaceuticals ever since being like three years old, basically. And by the time I was sort of 13, 14, they just weren't effective. They just really just weren't having any effect on me. And I saw... One of my friends, and she sort of noticed how sort of rubbish I was looking, and I said, you know, I haven't sort of slept properly since I can't remember when, you know, I'm in so much pain.

19:27JohnnyAnd she said, I've got something that might help, come round and try it. So I did, and basically she made me comfortable, made me a massive mug of tea, rolled me a massive joint, and said, drink that, smoke that, that will help. And it was just... Like, I can't explain, like, the feeling, like, when I think about it now, like, it takes me back to, like, just the amazing feeling I had because it was just, it's kind of like, it's too, it's too beautiful to, like, try and explain with words because up until that point, like, all I'd known was pharmaceutical drugs and not sleeping and pain and I suddenly had this, you know, thing and I sort of smoked half a joint and suddenly my body was relaxed and my mind was calm and, like, it was just, It was amazing.

20:15JohnnyIt was just, it was truly amazing. And, you know, but at the time we didn't tell anyone because she was early 20s, but obviously with me being sort of 13 years old, if anyone had found out, you know, we were very scared. In fact, she was given drugs to a minor, you know, so, but she helped me whenever she could, you know, she'd get me round and dope me up basically and help me out.

20:38JohnnyAnd since then I've, you know, I started using marijuana medicinally and at the start I was still using a lot of pharmaceutical drugs and it was only about a year ago. I just started to feel less and less like I wanted to take them. They were less and less effective. As I got older, the pain got worse and the drugs got stronger, but they were less effective and I didn't like how they were making me feel mentally, like it just wasn't natural to me.

21:10JohnnyI didn't feel like me when I was taking them. And that's when I sort of thought, right, let's give marijuana a really good go at this. You know, see if I can solely medicate with that, which is what I'm on a journey on at the moment, really.

21:28SpeakerSo yeah, for the past year, you've been completely pharma-free.

21:32JohnnyYeah.

21:32SpeakerNot a single painkiller, not a single tablet, not a single injection, nothing. 100% cannabis-only medication. Unbelievable. You've gone over the earmark, actually. You're a warrior.

21:48BubblemanYou've just shared the most inspirational story on Hash Church ever. I don't even know why. Very, very inspirational. And I'm just glad you came in here to share your story with us. I mean, holy moly.

22:03SpeakerYou're tougher than most fighters out there, man. I'm telling you. You're a toughie. Wow, that's amazing.

22:11BubblemanYeah, tough with a beautiful, huge, wonderful smile emanating. Yeah, like... I'm really, really thankful you guys came in here to share your story. I think we all needed that.

22:23SpeakerYeah, the people that are listening.

22:24BubblemanYeah, right on.

22:27SpeakerWhat a story.

22:27BubblemanSorry, Johnny, you're going to have to keep your mic muted, bud. You're coming in with a real bad reverberation, so maybe just type if you have something to say. It's a really inspirational story. There's a bunch of people in the YouTube chat right now that are just, they're saying, you rock, Samantha. This hits for you, girl. I mean, it's just one thing after another. She's amazing. What an amazing story.

22:52BubblemanIt's really nice to see that you could come out of that. And because of the hand that you were dealt with, you know, I don't think the hand that you were dealt with was so terrible. I think the hand that you were dealt with plus Western medicine was absolutely terrible. And once you were able to get rid of the Western medicine, and I'm not dissing on Western medicine because it has its place, and I'm sure that some of the things like separating your fingers was very key, and that was wonderful of Western medicine to do and give you hands and remove your foot from the back.

23:23BubblemanThat's awesome. But when it comes to the pharmaceutical drugs, I like to call them harmaceutical drugs because the word's right there when you drop the P. You have an amazing story that's such a powerful story because... That's all you knew. It's all you knew your whole life. When you smoked the joint, I pictured Dave Chappelle hugging the Abba Zabba bar from the movie Half-Baked and saying, Mary Jane, you my only friend.

23:52SpeakerYeah, too right. Yeah, too right.

23:55BubblemanWicked. It must have been a revelation for sure. I can't even imagine. And then after you tell that story, you say that the girl who gave you the cannabis was 20 years old and we were worried because she was giving drugs to a minor. That is what's wrong with prohibition right there. Yeah, she's right. But we could equate that that was giving drugs to a minor instead of giving you your life back.

24:20JohnnyYeah, it was the only thing that helped. It's crazy. This is something why I kind of want to come out and speak now because the more I use cannabis, the more I'm just getting so frustrated with the system. I've been using cannabis medicinally for over 10 years now and it is just shocking in this country. Just how it is, you know, and it's a real problem for me at the moment.

24:47JohnnyYou know, I want to medicate, you know, solely with cannabis because it's the best thing and it's the most natural thing, but trying to get hold of good quality product.

24:57SpeakerAt a fair price.

24:58JohnnyYeah, at a fair price.

25:00SpeakerIn quantity that you need it.

25:02BubblemanWell, I'm going to tell you right now, I know people probably where you live and I'm going to try and help you get the quantity and the quality and the price that you need because, man, your story seriously inspired me. Thank you.

25:16SpeakerThere you go. B-Man steps up.

25:18BubblemanYeah, you know, come on. I know a ton of people. I mean, these guys in the room right here, Casey, OCD and True Cannibalist, these guys are going to be warriors right here.

25:28SpeakerI feel that we're going to be able to help you very, very quickly.

25:32BubblemanWe are going to be able to help her very, very quickly. What a story! My goodness, what a great way to start.

25:37JohnnyI'll put a link up to my blog because it goes in a bit more in depth about the different surgeries and stuff that I've been through. I really want to blog as well about cannabis. I just really want to be an activist for it really because it is such a wonderful thing. It is truly wonderful and like People need to be using it, and it's shocking as well.

26:01JohnnyEven when we hang out with our friends here that are stoners, there's still this attitude that's like, Oh, are you sure you're not using that as an excuse? Medical marijuana, poof.

26:12SpeakerWhy didn't you just grow up?

26:14JohnnyYeah, it's that kind of like, and I'm like, no, like, I really need that amount. Like, and the fact that you still have that old mindset is terrible.

26:23SpeakerBut yet they have a brew kit in their basement where they're brewing beer and wine, right? You know?

26:29BubblemanYeah, yeah, precisely. Precisely. Well, listen, Samantha, what my suggestion is to you, which is my suggestion to all my friends... Is that you start a YouTube channel. There's about 250 people watching right now. I want to welcome Tony Verzura into the room as well. I wish Tony would have heard your story because he would love to hear your story as well. It's very powerful. You start yourself a YouTube channel.

26:51BubblemanYou guys start vlogging. I'll post as much as I can and promote your page and you guys can come into Hash Church and you can promote your page. And I guarantee you with the traction that Hash Church and Bubble Man's world has, that we'll be able to build your site up to get you 2,000 or 3,000 subscribers. And then you'll be on your way. You'll have your own platform.

27:10BubblemanAnd just from your guys' vibes and the way you kind of glow and tell your story, I have a feeling that you guys are going to have a very popular YouTube channel.

27:21SpeakerRight on, brother.

27:23BubblemanYeah. And I'm going to take a bong rip on that note.

27:26SpeakerAnd hello to you that I woke up to. How's it going? Good to see you. Hash Church.

27:34BubblemanIn the house. What a great place Whistler is. The only place you can knock on your buddy's door at 8am and go, dude, I need to use your internet. It's Hash Church in an hour and I need to set this shit up. And they're all like, huh? Oh yeah, yeah, come on in, come on in. Let's do it. Hopefully we get Dr. David Allen back. He wasn't able to get his microphone working.

27:55BubblemanAlways love to hear from him. Wow, Tony, is that all prana that you have in front of you there?

27:59SpeakerIt is.

28:06BubblemanWe'll have to mute ourselves when Tony talks because he's got the same thing John's got going on with his mic. So when he starts telling us about the prana, you're going to want to hear about this stuff, Samantha. Because this is another way of saturating your endocannabinoid system, not through smoking or vaporizing, but through sublingual drops that he does. He's showing them right now up on the camera, and these are the prana.

28:28BubblemanThe prana drops, his P1, P2, P3, and P4. Then I believe he's showing some pure terpenes. And he's got a salve that I'm not even sure exactly what it is. I don't know if it's a butter or an extract. But Tony always has amazing things. To share on Hash Church if you've watched before. So he's just gearing up the show for us here. Let me see if I can get, there we go.

28:56BubblemanI took my friend's tip. All right, we're all good. Stu's hitting the bowl. Tony's coming over to mute. I'll unmute myself. And there you go.

29:10SpeakerThanks, buddy. I was going to say, you could be the controller. Anytime you want me to talk, you can just unmute me, and I'll talk. Okay. So I'm going to sit back down. Just unmute me when you want me to talk, anytime. Perfect.

29:30SpeakerI've got to have my ritual big.

29:35BubblemanWell, you know what they say. You can say it's habitual, but every day it's a ritual. So on that note... Let us, let us smoke a bowl. That's what I'm saying. What do we got, like five, six times the cash here? Yeah, we got the works. I wish you would have heard Samantha's story, Tony. It was hugely inspirational. You would not believe the experience that she's gone through.

30:01BubblemanShe was on pharmaceutical drugs for the first 12 to 13 years of her life. She's had over 40 operations. I don't even know how to explain the genetic disorder she has because it's so rare. Only her and her father have it on the entire planet. And it has something to do with her bones and her fingers were all fused. And she's been through, let's just say, more than most.

30:21BubblemanShe started using cannabis medicinally when she was 13. And man, if she didn't tell the story with the biggest smile on her face while all of us were like welling up and tearing up in the room. So it was a good one. We're going to hear more from Samantha for sure. She's... She's not going anywhere.

30:41SpeakerNot going anywhere. That's it.

30:43JohnnySo where are you guys at? We're in England, in the UK.

30:49BubblemanBut whereabouts? Down south.

30:52JohnnyOn the south coast.

30:53BubblemanOn the south? Okay, good. So now at least I know that I'm going to have to find some friends down in the south. I'm sure I know some. There's got to be some bubble ambassadors down there. Worst case scenario, you guys take a little trip down to Amsterdam and go visit True and Ramon. Cannabis Warriors. Yeah, exactly.

31:10SpeakerWorst case. We've got lots of friends in England that would be more than willing to help, so within a few days we'll figure something out and we'll get some friends to get in touch with you guys.

31:22JohnnyAwesome. Cheers, guys.

31:23SpeakerAwesome.

31:24BubblemanAnd I wish, I wish in this life, because it is really terrible. Awesome, Stu. I think that it's amazing that when there's a story like yours, Samantha, that we just don't care and we'll help no matter what, I just want to get to the point where we can offer that same thing to everyone, even if you don't have a story of 40 operations.

31:44JohnnyThat's what we want, like, yeah.

31:46SpeakerThat's probably our biggest passion, is that this needs to be for everyone, not just for the few who are in the know.

31:55BubblemanYou have a strong voice in that sense because, you know, you come from that place that people are really going to pay attention and a lot of people are going to have a hard time disregarding your story. You know, the prohibitionist mentality will have a very, very hard time not sort of being affected by your story because it's a very true story and it's emotional.

32:19SpeakerYeah, yeah, too hard.

32:20BubblemanYou know what I'm saying? So awesome. Thumbs up to you guys. We got 268 people watching Hash Church around the world right now. How cool is that? Hell yeah. Hello, everybody. I just dropped my son off for ski school about half an hour ago, so I wasn't sure if I was going to make it on time for Hash Church. Oh, we got more. You are great, Samantha's.

32:42BubblemanAwesome, Samantha. Thank you, Samantha. I don't know if you're in the YouTube chat, but a lot of people are saying some really nice things about you guys, and if you feel like reading them, I'm sure it's only going to put a smile on your face.

32:55JohnnyI tried putting the link up to my blog if people wanted to read that, but I think it did come up, but it wouldn't come up as a link because I think it thought I was advertising, but I think it's there somewhere. It's samanthalv.blogspot.com, I think, if people want to check that out.

33:13BubblemanYeah, if you want to say that again, you cut out a little bit. What was your blog?

33:18JohnnyIt's samanthalv.blogspot.co.uk, I think, or .com.

33:26BubblemanAwesome. Welcome, Rick. I hope you appreciated those 280 signatures I helped put on your father's paper the other day. I didn't realize I had such good traction, but wow, my email blew up, dude.

33:43BubblemanYes, General.

33:46SpeakerSpeak up, everybody. Good morning, man. Peace. Hey, hey, Rick D. What up?

33:59BubblemanDr. David Allen is back in the room. Let's hope that we can get some audio out of Mr. Allen at this point. How are you doing, David? Good morning. Can you hear me? I can hear you. What did you think of that story?

34:16SpeakerI've been struggling for 30 minutes to get this Bluetooth device to work and finally got it to work. I had to restart my computer. So I missed a part of the story. I heard part of the story where the lady's fingers had to be fixed because of the webbing. That's very interesting. You know, it truly, surgery helps more people than medicine does. And surgeons have a disrespect for For medicine doctors, they refer to medicine doctors as medicine turds.

34:56SpeakerAnd surgeons know nothing and do everything, and medicine doctors know everything and do nothing. Heal with steel, that kind of thing, you know? Yep. And it's true, really, more people are helped by surgery than are helped by... These medicines, I mean, you know, antibiotics are real important and there's a few other things, but for instance, these statins are basically poisons. And there's minimal evidence that any statins help you long term.

35:38SpeakerAnd so the pharmaceutical companies are just trying to sell more and more chemicals. And these chemicals that they're selling, Nate, They may help some things, but they affect more than just one thing. And they have a lot of side effects. And cannabis has much fewer side effects than any pharmaceutical medicine.

36:06BubblemanAbsolutely. That we all know pretty much firsthand on that one. One of the coolest things about cannabis is that one of its main side effects is Is a feeling of euphoria, which really is the one main side effect that to me, I didn't go to school to learn anything I know about cannabis. It seems as though the euphoric side effects were the things that led me to learn about cannabis.

36:28BubblemanIsn't that interesting? Yeah, it is. I saw Paul Stamets when he spoke at a psychedelics conference up here in Whistler in the late 90s. He spoke after Jonathan Ott and Sasha Shulgin. And some real brilliant men that went to some very prestigious schools. And they would get up there and they would say, I have a degree from this school and that school and Harvard and all the best schools.

36:53BubblemanAnd everyone was very impressed. And then Paul Stamets gets up and he's like, everything I learned, I learned from the mushroom. And then proceeded to blow everyone off of their chairs, standing ovation, save the world type shit. So they both have their place for sure.

37:09SpeakerWelcome back, Casey. Yeah, the euphoria is what's attracted the man to cannabis. We probably wouldn't even bother cannabis because it tastes nasty. So we probably wouldn't even mess with cannabis if it didn't have the euphoria. But fortunately the euphoria is attached with a lot of physiologic reactions that help people. So it's an antioxidant and it stops heart attacks and strokes and diabetes and it's the wave of the future.

37:52SpeakerPeople, you know, this is going to change our life like no other discovery in the world. This is more important than the discovery of sterile surgical technique and will save more people's lives than are currently saved by surgery. And We're going to go probably to a marijuana economy because marijuana is the universal commodity. I remember back in Texas, back when I was in the Army in San Antonio, You could get $10 for a four-finger lid anywhere in the world, really, anywhere in the United States for sure.

38:43SpeakerAnd so it's a consumable commodity. It's the bottom line because everybody's going to need this. Once people find out that it stops the aging process, it's all over. I believe this as well.

39:34BubblemanI do believe this as well, Dr. David Allen. I feel that it's really an essential food source, and by convincing people that it was a drug, they were able to make it illegal. Today, if they tried to make essential amino acids illegal, well, we would say, but they're essential. We require them.

39:53SpeakerRight. Well, this is the oil that eases the friction of life. This is the key to physiology. It's the key to life itself and people don't realize the importance of this. You can't have, the sperm will not implant into the ovum unless you have a functioning endocannabinoid system. So if you block that system, conception doesn't happen. So you need a functioning endocannabinoid system for everything from your birth to your death.

40:37SpeakerAnd it controls everything. So if your doctor doesn't know that he can give you cannabis and decrease the incidence of diabetes, if he doesn't know that, then he's not really a true physician. And in the future, you're going to have to know this science intimately and be able to manipulate the endocannabinoid system. Otherwise, you won't be able to call yourself a physician. And so a couple of years ago, I did a study where we called all the medical schools in the United States.

41:14SpeakerWe called 157 medical schools. And we asked the directors of the curriculum The people that decide what the students are going to study. We asked the director if they had an endocannabinoid department, if they had a director of the department, if they taught the endocannabinoid signaling system as a unified course, or if they even mentioned it in any ancillary courses like pathophysiology, neuroanatomy, or pharmacology. And the answer was only 13% of the medical schools even mention it in classes.

41:58SpeakerNobody has organized classes and nobody has a department. And this all has to do with these chemicals, these endogenous chemicals that your body makes, these endocannabinoids. They float around in your blood system like hormones. And they're called ligands. Anything that floats around in your system that acts like a hormone is called a ligand. And the reason it's called a ligand is because it binds onto chemical receptors.

42:31SpeakerSo ligates, it ties onto a receptor. So insulin binds onto insulin receptors. Testosterone binds onto testosterone receptors. ACTH binds onto ACTH receptors. Opiates bind on to opiate receptors. Cannabinoids bind on to cannabinoid receptors. And so either endogenous cannabinoids or exogenous cannabinoids, plant-based cannabinoids or phytocannabinoids lock onto these receptors, and it's like a lock and key. So the chemical is shaped a certain way, and it has charges on this protein, actually.

43:19SpeakerAnd so the protein is shaped in a certain way and has certain charges and it binds on to a receptor because the charges match perfectly. If they don't match, it doesn't bind. And when it binds on to the receptor, it causes physiologic changes into the cell. So estrogen causes estrogen stuff to happen. Testosterone causes testosterone stuff to happen. And cannabinoids cause a bunch of things to happen that we're just Learning about.

43:50SpeakerSo this is a completely new science. It's more complex than rocket science. And it's going to dominate our future. And if you want to study something, if you want to make the most money that you could possibly make in your lifetime, what you will do is you will devote your studies to this endocannabinoid signaling system because it is the future of the world. And if you don't notice, you're going to be left behind.

44:24SpeakerI got to say, man, I just love hearing you speak. I really do. Thank you. It's really like a breath of fresh air. Well, these doctors don't know how ignorant they are. You know, a long time ago, we didn't know what nerves were. We didn't know what the heart muscle was. And so they started doing autopsies on people and they They would dissect the nerve out and they'd say, what the hell is this?

44:52SpeakerAnd then they'd figure out what it was. And so they knew, after a while, they knew what it was. But this endocannabinoid signaling system, you can't see it even with a microscope. It's sub-microscopic. So people don't believe what they can't see. And so it's kind of like the same thing that happened with bacteria. People didn't believe bacteria because they couldn't see it. And then you had to prove to them that bacteria existed.

45:18SpeakerAnd then finally they got on board and they said, yeah. And so they knew about bacteria and then they developed a sterile surgical technique from this. But you had to convince a lot of people that something they couldn't see could actually impact their life.

45:38BubblemanYou know, Dr. David, that reminds me of a thought I had while you were talking. Right now, a lot of people are considering this phytocannabinoids, cannabis oil, whatever you want to call it. It has a bunch of different names. It's this miracle that it's such an amazing, a miracle thing and I try to explain it metaphorically to people. Just imagine that everyone out there driving their car is just, they're getting pushed by a couple of friends and one guy's in the driver's seat and he's steering the car but no power steering, no power, nothing's working because they don't understand the concept of putting gas into the car.

46:13BubblemanAnd then we show up with just a liter of gas and everyone's like, what's that? And it's like, oh, you just put it in this weird little door that you had no idea what that was and we put that in there and then we start the ignition. Well, when you drive off in that car, everyone else pushing their car, their jaws are on the floor. They think a miracle has just occurred.

46:29BubblemanWell, no, the system is designed to run on a certain fuel and when you put the fuel in, then the system runs properly. And I really think of that as that phyto and endocannabinoids are essential to us. They can't keep essential amino acids from us because we require them to produce endocannabinoids. And they shouldn't be allowed to keep phyto cannabinoids from us. It's like the president of Nestle trying to keep water from people.

46:57SpeakerYeah. People are eating these fish oils and things for memory. And... The fish oils that these people are eating actually are metabolized into cannabinoids. The help that you get from eating a lot of your foods is because it ends up making endocannabinoids. Even aspirin and Motrin work by inhibiting the enzymes that degrade your own natural endocannabinoids. Thank you for watching.

47:52BubblemanInteresting. I wanted to welcome Todd McCormick and Kay from Tricom Technologies. They just came in. I muted you, Todd. You also have a mic like Tony where a lot of people will reverberate through it. So when you guys are speaking, and you're welcome to start speaking right away, we'll all mute our mics so that we don't come through. Good to see you, Kay. Hey, good to see you.

48:17BubblemanHow are you?

48:18Todd MccormickHonored to be here. Thank you very much.

48:20BubblemanDude, it's an honor to have both of you guys here. It's really an honor to have everyone here. I'm not sure if you guys heard Samantha's story, but she just really blew us all away this morning with her powerful story. And if you guys didn't hear it, I urge her to give us another five-minute recap. It's worth hearing.

48:37SpeakerAwesome.

48:37JohnnyYeah, yeah, I'm glad to do that. Basically, I was born with a very rare genetic condition. I'm one of only two people in the whole world that have it, my dad being the other one. Basically, when I was born, all my fingers were conjoined. I have deformed joints, so really big bones. I had extra toes on each foot as well, which were removed. My foot was basically right underneath my knee.

49:14JohnnyI didn't actually have a tibia or fibula. There's basically no right leg there. So when I was four years old, they started leg lengthening. So I had a big metal cage around my leg, which then lengthened the leg. And I had four lots of leg lengthening surgeries and plastic surgery on my hands and feet to... Get those back and had about 40 operations in total and when I was having my last little leg lengthening done was when I found cannabis and basically all my life I've been on pharmaceutical drugs, all the real strong stuff, morphine, diazepam, tramadol, everything.

50:05JohnnyAnd as I was getting older, they just, they weren't effective for me. They just weren't working and I didn't like how they were making me feel in my head. Like it just, they just made me feel like disgusting. I just didn't like taking them. And that's when my friend said she had something that would help. And I went around hers and she made me a big spliff and a big mug of tea and said, drink that, smoke that, you'll feel a lot better.

50:29JohnnyAnd I did. It was amazing. The best feeling of my life I think up to that point because it was, you know, it was the first time I properly slept, it was the first time my body actually felt relaxed, it was an amazing feeling and I've sort of been using it ever since really and it's just been the last, well since I've met my partner really that I've really kind of got into using cannabis solely and have ditched all the pharmaceutical drugs.

50:58BubblemanYou were also 13 years old when you smoked that first spliff, weren't you?

51:02JohnnyYeah, yeah. And I would say, like, I don't think it's had any, you know, I'm completely eccentric, I will admit that, but, like, I'm totally together in my mind, you know. Marijuana has had no, like, ill effects, even from using it at such a young age, you know. It was better, it improved my life tenfold. It didn't have any adverse effects at all. Unlike all the other really strong painkillers I was on.

51:32BubblemanFor sure. I'm not sure if you know of Todd McCormick and Kay from Trichome Technologies, but both are long, long time cannabis warriors in the industry, so we're happy to have them here.

51:44Todd MccormickFirst of all, I'm very blown away by her plight, by the things she's gone through as a youth, but what a bubbly individual she's turned out to be. I mean, her doctor should be blown away at what good spirit she has. Lady, you're incredible.

51:59JohnnyThank you.

51:59Todd MccormickIt's a pleasure to meet you. Amazing, Andy.

52:03JohnnyThank you.

52:06SpeakerThat is amazing. Well, it's nice to be here myself today, too. I said it last week. I think what you do and, Mark, bringing people together from all over the world is fantastic. Absolutely.

52:16Todd MccormickAnd like I said, it's an honor to be here, and thank you very much for including me, Mark.

52:22Todd MccormickHe's doing a bong hit.

52:26BubblemanYou know, I... Let me just get you real quick here. I can mute you so I don't come through your mic.

52:36BubblemanI think I can.

52:37SpeakerYeah, let me mute. I'll mute Mark.

52:40BubblemanOkay, great. Yeah, you know, it's just sort of come together. Thank you so much for joining us.

53:02BubblemanDoing their own thing and we're in this little scene and I think what's happening is that the scene's getting bigger and we're able all to start working together now and you know for myself, I worked by myself for a long time, 15 plus years. I didn't really understand. I came from a team that left me a bit sour. I didn't like the way it all worked out and I was very independent for the last 15 years, not really understanding the concept of a team and I got to say, it was probably meeting Tony a few years ago in Amsterdam where I was just kind of like, man, like, fuck, this guy's awesome.

53:36BubblemanLike, I just feel like he's a brother from another mother. I get along with him super well. We're on the same wavelength. And slowly what that turned into was, I mean, he was already in the middle of creating his United Cannabis team, but it was just sort of like this thing that came together where it's like, oh, yeah, we're all going to start working together, right? Thank you for joining us.

54:09BubblemanThank you for watching.

54:30BubblemanThey really are interested in this mostly because we're not shamelessly promoting ourselves or our products or our companies. We're just here sharing information and sharing things that we do and kind of opening each other's minds. And that's what Hash Church is all about.

54:50Todd MccormickVery nice. Yeah, like yourself, you know me, we've both shared the same fight for many, many years with Red Eye Magazine, going back to UK and Nick and everything else. So yeah, being in the shadows has been my specialty for 35 years, and that's how I survived to get where I am today, like yourself. So yeah, it is amazing to be able to show your face and hold your chin up high and be proud of your accomplishments as you should.

55:17Bubbleman100%. You'll just have to mute it again, Todd. I watched the 60 Minutes video the other day, and it was so neat, the 15-minute clip. I actually sent a message to Wernard because I was like, man, that was like the year I met you, dude, 1995. And I told him a little story about where we met and stuff. He was like, oh, thanks for the memories. And then...

55:37BubblemanI see Todd up on stage and Rob looks like he's friggin' 20 talking about the skunk and you're there blacked out like, oh no, I hold my head up high and I'm like, yeah, okay. I was there too but my booth was right next to Eagle Bills and Jack Herrera so I watched the whole video and I've seen a couple of my Canadian friends but I am elusive in the 1995 60 Minutes episode.

56:06SpeakerYou know, that's hilarious. You know, I showed Morley Schaefer around all of Holland that time, because if you remember, I wasn't doing so good in the shadows. I had just got busted in Ohio, and they wanted me to show 60 Minutes around because of Dr. Trussell giving me my prescription 20 years ago. And, you know, he gave a great interview. They didn't use any of it because the 60 Minutes team came away and said to me, you know, Todd, we feel that what you're doing is so different From what High Times is doing, it'll kind of discredit the sincerity of your story and the legitimacy of Dr. Trussell and Rotterdam if we run the stories together.

56:45SpeakerSo they separate it out, and the only place you see me is honestly giving away a cannabis cup, or I'm actually best man at ATN's wedding. Remember ATN got married on stage at the cannabis cup? Yeah, but... That was some great times. We were really pioneers. We didn't even realize it, you know? I mean, back then, we were just doing our thing, and 20 years later, I realized the weight of our thing being what everybody's doing now, you know?

57:14Todd MccormickIt was fun to show that video to Mila. She was like, it's nice to see us all young again. Mila was so young. She was. It was incredible. Talking about the original, you know, showing off her handbook of the original, like how to make water, or no, dry sieve, how to press, how to store, all that kind of stuff. Really neat. And like you said, Rob looking like a young man, huh?

57:37BubblemanRob was deaf.

57:38Todd MccormickCome on.

57:38SpeakerThat's what we call resin pollen. Remember that? The pollinator. Yep. Little misnomer. They called it scuff, right? Holm. Holm. You're killing me, man.

57:55BubblemanAh, memories of that.

57:57SpeakerBut this is where it all started, though, us coming together and having a place to have community. We all had to travel to Amsterdam to do it, but it was the pressure point. It's where we came together. It's where we learned and shared so much information together. And it's where the industry really started to explode.

58:13Todd MccormickA thousand points of light, as the man said.

58:16BubblemanAbsolutely. And you know, it's still happening. The pioneering is still happening. You know, Kay, I don't know how long ago it was we had the conversation and you told me, listen, you've got to figure out how to get those turps out of the water. This will be very important for your company. Well, I told that conversation to two people. They're both in this chat room right now.

58:37BubblemanHoratio, who's under the yellow light. And Tony, who's sitting in front of his prana drops and his terpenes. And now, you know, they've both acquired something. I can't say that they're there or not, but Tony had some incredible terpenes in Amsterdam and Jamaica. Really, just pure essence of plants. Not fractions to single terpenes, but a terpene profile. And the last time I saw Horatio, he had the hydrosol, the water terps, and the purer terps.

59:08BubblemanSo that came, I mean, I would say that came from you, bro.

59:14Todd MccormickThanks very much. I really appreciate that. I worked really hard on that project. It's incredible. I'm so glad that Tony and other people are picking up the torch because that's how we're going to get where we want to go. Todd was nice enough to show me an interview with one of your other shows and the gentleman was talking about the future of the endocannabinoid system and these products.

59:34Todd MccormickIt is amazing, and I believe everything he said. I mean, you know, yeah. Right now we're just in the infancy. I mean, you know, people still think of marijuana. They don't think of the, you know, the isolated compounds. I mean, you know, just, you know, they think of, you know, even some people today think of just like, you know, THC and CBD. And it's like, well, there's an undecarboxylated form of that and a carboxylated form of that.

59:56Todd MccormickSo you're dealing with four compounds, not two compounds. And then, as Dave Watson did, with Don and Aaron, way back in the day, they did single terpene application testing with THC. And he did it in a clinical study. I mean, everybody would have a sheet to fill out every morning. They would take pure THC, add linalool, pinene, this, that, the other thing, day by day by day by day.

1:00:19Todd MccormickI mean, that was revolutionary. That man did that 30 years ago, 20 years ago, excuse me. I mean... We're just, you know, I mean, right now, I mean, Tony and the other gentleman, sorry, the name escapes me, but, I mean, it's unfortunate that us three can't even go get a 100% quantitative analysis of our compound. We don't know what's in those bottles. You know, it's been said by many that there's between 130 and 160 terpenes in cannabis.

1:00:47Todd MccormickWell, I've got to say that I believe those figures could be completely wrong. Those studies were done 40 years ago, Meshulam, El Soli, etc. First of all, they started with the dry plant material. If you dry that plant material, you lose 90% of the terpenes. First and foremost, you end up with 0.1% of a product. Where do I get those numbers from? I get those numbers from the Handbook of Essential Oils.

1:01:10Todd MccormickIt gives you so much information right there from sassafras, from lavender, many essential oils. I highly encourage people to study all essential oils, not just Thank you for joining us.

1:01:46Todd MccormickThank you for joining us.

1:02:09Todd MccormickQuantify what you had. And even at GCMS, it works on the principle of heat. So you're going to destroy some of those compositions. So I can hypothesize that there's 300 terpenoids, terpenes, if you will, in cannabis. But we can't even get to the bottom of it right now. So, I mean, we are in the infancy. These gentlemen on your panel are just complete pioneers in this industry.

1:02:30Todd MccormickThey are the ones that are going to provide those products and methodologies to those pharmaceutical companies. Not that they're going to sell out, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're, People say Big Pharma's going to come in and control this industry. I don't believe it. I believe people like you, people like Tony, people, you know, like the groups that you're creating right now are the people that are going to not control the methodologies, but control who doesn't have the methodologies kind of sort of thing, you know?

1:02:56Todd MccormickYou know, in the end, medical marijuana will be taken over by those individuals, you know what I mean? It just, you know, they want pure isolated compounds. They don't want Raw compounds, so to speak. And from that, they can, you know, figure out the interactions, synergistic effect, if you will, of those terpenes with cannabinoids, et cetera, et cetera. We're just not really qualified to do those or get a million dollar study going or this, that, and the other thing right now.

1:03:21Todd MccormickBut, you know, as Colorado, you know, allocates money for Dr. Sue Sisley or, you know, as we start expanding, I mean, it only makes sense that the industry is going to go into terpene research. It has to. I mean, the cannabinoids have been studied and studied and studied and I liken it to like, you know, I kind of liked it for a minute because everybody wanted to go for the gold, for the California gold rush.

1:03:42Todd MccormickThey were going to go or the Yukon, if you will, or whatever. And they wanted CBD. Everybody went CBD crazy. Mickey Martin wrote an article called What the Fuck Are We Thinking? And I like that article. You might want to check it out. And it kind of, you know, we're putting all our eggs in one basket just to claim legitimacy. And the backlash is that I see some states going for CBD only oils.

1:04:06Todd MccormickThat's the only Thank you for joining us.

1:04:34BubblemanAllowed me to take the modulating effects of THC along with single terpenes. And I remember telling people, THC and these other cannabinoids are modulated through the effects or through the profiles of these terpenes. And people are just like, dude, you're completely fucking nuts, bro. And now it just kind of seems to be common knowledge. More and more people use the very word modulating, which is the exact word Dave used 10 years ago when he told me this.

1:05:00BubblemanAnd I'm just like, Man, this guy is just like 10 to 20 years ahead of everyone at all times.

1:05:09SpeakerI would honestly argue that he's 30 years ahead. I mean, you've got to think that David moved. If it wasn't for the breeding he did with Skunk, it's argued that we wouldn't even have an indoor growing, seeing the way we have it in Holland and what erupted all around the world. I mean, love it or hate it, Skunk 1 was... Very influential in all of the complex hybrids that we enjoy today.

1:05:34SpeakerAnd it was Dave behind all of that. I mean, those guys had seen a market potential before most people even realized there was a market.

1:05:45BubblemanYeah, and I mean, if you're hating skunk, then you do not have the B67. I'm sorry.

1:05:52Todd MccormickYeah, it's amazing that most people in our community don't even know who David Watson is. And he would prefer it that way, whether it's Sadu Sam, Sam the Skunk Man, or anything else. But, you know, those are our forefathers. We must give respect back to where we came from. I mean, that man brought us to where we are today. And that's why I shout his name from the rooftops.

1:06:11Todd MccormickHe was an amazing man. And you're fortunate enough to know him many years. I just met him. Three months ago for the first time and just, I mean, I love him like a brother and always have. I've known of his work and everything else and very good friends with Rob Clark and stuff, but yeah, to me, Dave was very, very much a highlight of my life.

1:06:30BubblemanOh yeah, I would agree as well. I was very happy when it happened that Dave and I, because I met him and he was a mentor to me, but then throughout that experience we became friends and we were able to travel and go on vacations together and actually have like a real true friendship with the guy and I just, It's amazing. I shout his name every time I speak.

1:06:48BubblemanI give full props to the fact that he is the grandfather in much of what I do. I tell people all the time a lot of the information that I speak has already been written in Rob's wonderful book, Hashif, and that definitely don't be putting me up on any pedestal because those are the guys that really did all the work.

1:07:09Todd MccormickAbsolutely, 100%. I'm a product of all them. You know, I tell people, you know, people think I'm just a concentrate expert, if you will. I come from 35 years of large-scale horticultural background. I mean, large-scale cultivation and, you know, my past history and I've contributed a lot and done a lot of things and contributions and stuff like that. But, I mean, the things that those individuals have done are really, really incredible.

1:07:33Todd MccormickIt wasn't so many years ago both of us would get yelled at if we even mentioned Dave's name. So... That's so true. I remember the day when if you tried to take a picture of him, you'll get whacked. And in that, Tony will even attest to this. It was kind of funny. Knowing that photo thing, it was funny because Mel Frank came up. And so it was me, Tony, Mel Frank, and Dave in the same room.

1:08:01Todd MccormickAnd Just for fun, I said, hey, Dave, let's meet you and Jim get a photo real quick, or Mel Frank get a photo real quick, and he started into his tirade. You know, I don't do photos. I knew it before I even said it, but it was funny to poke the bear, so to speak.

1:08:15BubblemanAbsolutely.

1:08:19BubblemanLet's hear from Tony. He's got a mic like you guys, so I'm going to unmute him, and we can mute ourselves, and we'll hear what Tony has to say on all these subjects. I might be able to unmute you.

1:08:33BubblemanIt's not letting me unmute you, Tony. I'm sorry. The control's not working, so. You unmute yourself.

1:08:41SpeakerThere you go, buddy. Tony's going to talk for a few minutes. Here we go.

1:08:50SpeakerOh, shit. I can't hear you at all. He's like, oh, my God.

1:08:54BubblemanCan you guys hear him?

1:08:58BubblemanNo? Yes? You can.

1:09:01SpeakerYeah. Okay.

1:09:15SpeakerI wish I could hear Tony talk. I don't know. It's just our computer phone.

1:10:17SpeakerI just know that I can't.

1:11:21SpeakerThank you.

1:12:40SpeakerEveryone is there. Yeah. Hold on a second. Dude, you know what? How can you do this? I always got behind it. I know. I always got behind it.

1:13:30SpeakerTony, they can't hear you on YouTube. Some of us can't hear you. I can't hear you. But YouTube, you're not. I can't hear you. Play it back. I heard them.

1:13:47SpeakerThat's what's strange. I can hear.

1:13:55SpeakerYou're fine, Tony.

1:13:56BubblemanThey keep talking. It's recording. They may have internet problems. They make it a It's fine. You just keep talking.

1:17:11SpeakerHey Tony, sorry to interrupt. I think we're having problems. No one is hearing it on YouTube anymore. So I'm not sure what we got going on here.

1:17:34SpeakerIt's not recording on YouTube. Well this is, oh, this is live. You know what? It says it's live.

1:17:42BubblemanI have the feeling it's recording. So just continue to talk. And unfortunately, the people listening in chat right now aren't... The only other option is potentially logging out and logging back in. Mike West says he's heard me and a bit from Horatio, but not much else. Most of the people that watch it watch it after it's recorded. And it, to me, looks like it's recording. So just...

1:18:08BubblemanJust keep going and it'll be unfortunate for the YouTube gathers. They'll have to watch it later. They just don't hear.

1:18:15SpeakerYeah, they all hear me.

1:18:18BubblemanThey just don't hear. Yeah, it is driving me crazy. I wish we could hear Tony. Todd McCormick. Yeah, keep talking, Tony. Sorry to interrupt.

1:18:35BubblemanWell, now he's totally muted again. What the hell? This is driving me nuts. Technical difficulties. We can't even hear Tony now. I know. Maybe log in and log out.

1:18:49SpeakerCan you guys hear Todd McCormick when he talks? Testing, two, three, one, testing. Can you guys hear me? THC Expo. Smoke weed every day.

1:19:13BubblemanJesus, there's some real haters in the chat right now. I'm going to have to get rid of them.

1:19:19BubblemanGoodbye.

1:19:23SpeakerAlright, sorry about that guys. Let's see what we got going on here.

1:19:29BubblemanI think when it died on us we had a problem.

1:19:38BubblemanAlright, can we hear, can everyone hear you? I guess we better dab while Tony's trying to figure out his thing. I'm pretty sure you guys can hear me, correct? Correct? Can I hear Horatio when he speaks?

1:19:51SpeakerI'm always pretty good over here, aren't I? I think we're pretty reliable on film.

1:20:07BubblemanYeah, poor people. They're all like bumming out that they couldn't hear Tony and what he was saying. And now Todd and Kay have a new friend in the middle. Hello, new friend.

1:20:16SpeakerHello, this is Lauren. Hi. Mark, this is Lauren. Mark, this is Laura. Nice to meet you. Welcome to HashChurch.

1:20:25BubblemanWelcome to HashChurch.

1:20:26SpeakerThank you. Did you want to tell your story?

1:20:33BubblemanDid you want to tell your story now?

1:20:41Todd MccormickWho did you direct that to, Mark? The gentleman in yellow, I believe.

1:20:44BubblemanDr. David Allen. He's wearing the head film, the endocannabinoid specialist. Am I on?

1:20:53SpeakerCan you guys hear me? Yes. All right. I want to tell you about an epiphany that happened to me about extractions. And Todd, what you said is exactly right. You're way ahead of most extraction artists in knowing some of this. And, you know, we put information together kind of, it's interesting how we may know something, but we don't really understand what we know. So, for instance, you take a plant that's fresh and you dry it out, And it loses a bunch of weight.

1:21:35SpeakerBut people assume basically that's water weight that it's losing. But it's not water weight, is it? It's mostly terpenes, and Todd mentioned that drying loses 90% of the terpenes. Hold on, let me correct something. Just for the sake of this conversation, Todd is over here. And I'm the editor of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and The Culture High and things like that. This is Kenny, owner of Trichrome Technologies to my left.

1:22:07SpeakerThis is Kenny. Kenny is the one who you're referring to. And so the people listening doesn't start thinking Tom McCormick owns Trichrome Technologies. They'll lock me up for that for sure. Let me tell you what happened to me. This friend of mine does extractions and he He won't tell anybody how he does things. And I've known that he's had some expertise in this for many years. And so about a year ago, he came to my office, and he showed me this sample that he had made.

1:22:48SpeakerAnd it was lime green, and it was translucent. And it looked kind of like a lime green gummy bear. Okay? And it smelled like no product that I ever smelled before. Smelled better than any flower. Smelled better than any hash product that I ever smelled before. And I've been around for a while. And when you smoke it, it had a two-phase effect. What happened is when you hit it, it would like, Give you an initial rush when you exhale.

1:23:28SpeakerAnd then about five seconds later, you could feel this go through the blood-brain barrier and you had, I swear on my mother's grave, your brain could taste this chemical. Not your tongue, your brain.

1:23:50SpeakerAre you guys hearing me?

1:23:54SpeakerYes, we can hear you. Yes, we are hearing you.

1:23:58Todd MccormickFirst of all, the thing that kind of disheartens me about the beginning of your story is that the gentleman will not share the technology. Right. I'm going to tell you something that's going to blow you away.

1:24:09SpeakerSo what happened was epiphany came to me. And what I did was I took this sample and I put it in my pocket and I'd let everybody try it. Everybody loved it. And then I went hiking on a riverbed, and it was about, I don't know, 70 degrees outside. And it was like a four-hour hike. And it was in my pocket and unprotected. And when I got back home, the sample is no longer translucent.

1:24:51SpeakerIt's contracted, it's brownish, it's obviously oxidized, and it doesn't have the same smell. So the epiphany happened. So what happened, I was thinking, at what temperature in my pocket did this oxidize at? So I'm thinking 70 degrees outside, I'm hot walking around. It could probably be somewhere between 80 to 90 degrees. That's my guess. Certainly no more than 90 degrees.

1:25:34SpeakerAnd so I thought, well, this guy has an extraction technique that gets herbs and spices out of the plant matter and it apparently evaporates Between 80 and 90 degrees. So what does that mean? So my friend came over to my office again, and I tell him this story. And I said, apparently the technique that you use to extract is getting some chemicals, some herbs and spices out of this plant material that nobody else seems to be able to capture.

1:26:21SpeakerAnd Apparently it's volatile and it oxidizes between 80 and 90 degrees. He says, you're right, Dr. Allen. He says, do you know what my wall temperature is in my grow room? And I said, no. He says, it's 57 degrees at the wall. Now the plants are exposed to a little bit higher temperatures than that. Because they're under the lights. But the Walt, what that means is he's growing, I said, well, nobody's growing at that temperature.

1:27:01SpeakerHe says, yeah, that's right, Dr. Allen. Nobody's growing at that temperature, is there? So apparently, when you drive by your marijuana field and it's 80 to 90 degrees, that smell, that beautiful smell that you smell is apparently some of these herbs and spices that That nobody's capturing. And that's the epiphany. So we're in the infancy of our extraction techniques too. And it all has to do with the chemical properties of solvents, both polar solvents, water, and non-polar solvents like hydrocarbons.

1:27:49SpeakerAnd they extract different things. And they extract different things at different temperatures. So if you raise the temperature of alcohol, it will hold a lot more solvent or solute in the solvent. The higher the temperature of the solvent, the more it extracts. And so you always have a balance of extracting the stuff you want and leaving the stuff that you don't want behind, leaving the chlorophylls and other water soluble stuff And so there's water-soluble terpenes too.

1:28:25SpeakerAnd so what I'm saying is in the future, people are going to be extracting more terpenes and they're going to be augmenting terpenes too. And this is a double-edged sword just like anything else. And I wrote an article about augmented oils. And what's happening is people are taking different terpenes and they're adding them to the oils and it changes the viscosity of the oil and makes it flow better.

1:29:04SpeakerAnd they all have beautiful smells to them. Some of them have beautiful smells to them. But the problem with this is they're safe to eat in fairly large quantities, but no one knows... What effect it has on your pulmonary vasculature long term. So the question is, does limelene, when you inhale it, does it cause pulmonary hypertension if you inhale it for five years or something over a period of time?

1:29:44SpeakerSo nobody's done these medical studies yet. And because it costs money to do it. And it's illegal to do some of this stuff. But I suspect that some of the augmented oils may be useful to people.

1:30:13SpeakerAny comments?

1:30:16SpeakerDid you want to take that, Kit?

1:30:20SpeakerGo ahead, go ahead. I can hear you. So, I agree with what you're saying. What did you think about it? What I just said about extractions and growing temperatures.

1:30:42Todd MccormickThe cultivation temperature, I mean, those terms... Can you hear me, Mark?

1:30:45SpeakerCan you hear me, Mark?

1:30:48Todd MccormickGo ahead, Kenny. Yeah, those terpenes start volatizing, you know, especially the sulfur-based compounds start volatizing at like 65 degrees, and that's why we smell terpenes, why we smell the marijuana when we enter our grow room, even at lower temperatures. But lower temperature growth is kind of non-conducive to plant growth, you know what I mean? So, you know, and even though the wall temperature would be, say, I don't know what you said, 65 degrees, you're going to get your radiant heat right under those lights is going to be, you know, A hundred degrees and that's when you start getting those terpenes to volatilize and start evaporating basically.

1:31:24Todd MccormickAnd after that any kind of heat application in your extraction process, in your terpene isolation process is going to either convert or destroy some of those terpenes. So, I mean, you know, what you're saying is very, very correct. As I was saying in the beginning of your conversation, it's disheartening to hear that people monopolize their technologies and things. I was one of the first to write the, I wrote the Rick Simpson article, How to Extract Raw Extractions, 15 years before the Phoenix Tears article, so to speak.

1:31:57Todd MccormickYou know, I was doing one of the first to pioneer large-scale cultivation, so that led me to Dr. Alexander Sumac's Treasury of Hashish and later on Rob Clark's book Hashish and basically pioneered a lot of the dry seed stuff that we're doing now along with Mila and Mark and everybody else, you know, and then from there it went to water hash and then I wrote the first butane extraction article for Red Eye Magazine 15 years ago.

1:32:19Todd MccormickSo I've been doing this for a very, very long time, polar, non-polar extractions, et cetera, et cetera. And as soon as I refined a technique, I always disseminated it. I wrote it for High Times Magazine. I wrote it for Red Eye Magazine. I tried to disseminate that information as soon as I possibly could so that my brethren could get a hold of it and perfect everything that I did.

1:32:41Todd MccormickAnd that's how I moved my industry forward. I never monopolize technologies or informations. I try to disseminate them and get to the public as soon as possible because I can't wait to see what they do with it. Every time I go to a cup and I see, you know, 50 entries and they're just all incredible. I mean, that really makes me proud as well as it should Mark and Tony and everybody else, Todd, Rob Clark, Dave Watson.

1:33:04Todd MccormickThere's so many people responsible for this. So, yeah, I would encourage your friend to disseminate that information so we can all move it forward.

1:33:14BubblemanI would only add that in regards to Indra, who was the original guy who did the, he was the first one to put butane extraction online at eroid.org back in, I don't know if it was May of 1999. I ended up meeting Indra through the internet and got to know him under his true name, which I won't drop here because I'm not sure he wants the two names associated, but he was a real brilliant guy and had this real sort of intense knowledge of extractions and of essential oils and so he eventually came up with a cryogenic process that allowed him to extract a hundred percent of what was there which is like impossible in science and with while leaving no footprint which was also impossible in science if you ever like do GC analysis is you can usually find a footprint it's Depends on how deep you have to go in, but it's there.

1:34:10BubblemanAnd so he, I was never able to see his actual hash because he was down in the U.S. and I'm up in Canada, but what I did was because I get a lot of people telling me that they've got this extraction process and that extraction process and they can do this and they can do that, but I I felt different about this guy because I had a connection to him through a very quality product I had tried a few years ago.

1:34:33BubblemanAnd so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and what I did was I sent him some hemp seed, de-hulled hemp seed embryos, you know, the stuff they sell at the grocery store. And it was actually from my ex-partners in Manitoba, Manitoba Harvest and Fresh Hemp Foods. And I asked him if he's got this process, then he should have no problem de-fatting Thank you for watching.

1:35:15BubblemanAnd so then the oil that he gave me, which was in one of those scientific, you know, those real nice metal containers for essential oils that they never open or it's never open to the air. It like fits into a nozzle to fill and then the cap seals itself. So right away I was like, okay, this guy definitely has access to a lab because you can't fucking buy these at Walmart.

1:35:35BubblemanAnd when I opened it, the oil is the most beautiful golden hemp seed oil you've ever seen in your life. And I'm tripping balls on this. I sent it to my partners in Manitoba and they didn't even reply because we had the protein powder isolate tested. It was 62% protein powder. Which is about 11 to 12% higher than the people who have the highest protein powder isolate on the market today.

1:36:01BubblemanWhich were my friends in Manitoba. So they were like, oh my god, this guy just blew us out of the water. Because he's not doing cold pressing, which he says is a misnomer and archaic, but he's doing a cryogenic process. And so when he told me about, this is, the story comes around to terpenes. He was telling me about super terpenes and how he captures them with his cryo process and which are lost in almost every other process.

1:36:24BubblemanAnd I just wonder if you want to sort of touch on that in regards to what are super terpenes? Do super terpenes exist? Is that what a sesquiterpenoid is? Are they more volatile? Are we losing them at lower temperatures?

1:36:38Todd MccormickYeah, what we're dealing with is monoterpenes, diterpenes, and sesquiterpenes. Just three categories. First of all, I also want to say let's not forget about the awesome Butter King. The Butter King did some very revolutionary things very, very early. So must not forget the Butter King. Shout out to Steve. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So yeah, I mean, you know, just like any other essential oil, those three categories, mono, dye, and sesquiterpenes.

1:37:07Todd MccormickAnd, you know, some have obviously different boiling temperatures, boiling points, if you will, or evaporation temperatures. I mean, some of the lighter oils, the ones that are, again, sulfur-based, they're going to evaporate first. I've read started volatizing at 65 degrees Fahrenheit. Interesting. So pretty amazing there. And then trying to get those fractions and things. We're in our infancy, and yeah, I'm getting three different fractions right now, but I think I can separate those further, but I've got to go to, I'm getting ready to go do a nuclear magnetic resonance test on this stuff, even, you know, because I can't do GCMS, I can't do thin layer, I can't do this, that, the other thing, because they've all, they apply heat and stuff, so they're going to destroy those lighter compounds that you would never, ever even measure, so I think nuclear magnetic resonance might be a step forward, so that's where I'm going next.

1:38:06BubblemanWell, that sounds pretty incredible. I should get back to Mr. Tony, who we had muted. I can't unmute you, Tony, so I don't know. I can mute Todd and unmute... Oh, no, I see. I can only mute people, but I can't unmute them. There it is. So we'll let him unmute himself and continue his... Can anyone hear Tony? Yes. I hear him.

1:38:32SpeakerOkay, well, let's find out in chat if they can hear him. I can't hear him.

1:38:42SpeakerI can hear you, Tony.

1:38:46BubblemanI don't know why I can't. Let's just hope, as long as the YouTube audience can, it'll be fine. People say nothing from Tony. Jesus. No, it's all no in the chat room, so I'm not sure why it's doing that. Probably because I can't hear him, that's why they can't hear him in the chat. I wonder if that's the case. Little technical difficulties here in Hash Church. It's not a volume thing.

1:39:18BubblemanNo, and I have a little control thing, but I can't, it doesn't really, like, if I try to mute or unmute, okay, there we go, it let me mute them, and now I unmuted them. So let's see if that works.

1:39:30SpeakerOh, I see. Dude. Dude. Can you hear me? You are live. Oh my God, finally. That was all me. All right. All right, let me go back. So everyone, I think, brought up really valid points about the terpenes, the augmentation, the modulating, and I also subscribe to the same philosophies of having all of those different variables, being able to capture those different variables and extraction techniques Whatever it would be, whether it's a polar or non-solvent, or a polar or a polar or non-polar, or even semi-polar extraction technique, or like beyond what we're even talking about today.

1:40:25SpeakerEither way, I think there's such a vast undiscovered area in terpene extractions as well as cannabinoid development in extractions. It's going to get super scientific. And extremely deep. And what I was talking about earlier was tying it back up, how I started as a patient, but really talking about, I explained it like a guitar, where there's only 12 chromatic notes on your guitar. So every chord that you hear, every note, every single note and every chord you've ever heard of music, It's made from 12 notes.

1:41:08SpeakerEvery symphony, country music, rap, everything you listen to. A saxophone is only 12 chromatic notes. And so that's what I've tried to focus on trying to classify categories of cannabinoids and terpenes into different components or different categories of use. And so when we were talking about prana and people were like still maybe kind of confused about it, There's a, there's why, the reason why I have one, two, three, four is because in this extraction process, this is using, we talked about combinations of extractions, whether they're polar or non-polar, but capturing the full essence of terpenes from an array of particular strains.

1:41:56SpeakerSo, if there was a P2, this would have the development of five, five or ten particular strains that were high in CBD and low in THC. And there's a particular source of terpenes that are derived from those particular types of strains. And so that's what's captured in the draw flow. And then the reason why I was excited about this and talking to you about this at the end of the day was because they're boil-proof and you can actually put them in boiling water and it's 229.

1:42:26SpeakerAnd so if you keep the lid on, which has a special type of lid that's also child-proof, it allows you to semi-activate those particular categories From the full essence and concentrated raw corn into these little elevated semi-activation points. So you could do it in 30 minute increments and slowly increase it. And so what I did was experiment with these as subliminal drops, also capsules. This I put in foods, fruits, beverages, whatever your diet would be.

1:42:58SpeakerSo it's a biolutrient. And so that's where those categories are developed. One, two, three, four. One's a THC. And then there's a four that's activated CBD and activated CBN without THC. So it's degraded THC all the way down. And so how I felt about that was trying to create today's first type of chromatic scale

1:43:33SpeakerFor strains into cannabinoids and terpene profiles, if that makes any sense. Yep, yep. So, okay, so in the extraction, when we were talking about that, using a polar or a non-polar, these were water, so this is derived polar, and it would start, like Kay said, as low as negative 10.

1:44:03SpeakerAll the way through, I would say, you know, in the hundreds but not past like 200 degrees because then you're getting into an active state and you're getting into different types of things. But I think that turkey engine has a certain augmentation in a certain place as well as light spectrum and anything else. So I think as Each individual kind of inspires each other to get to the next level.

1:44:37SpeakerI think we'll discover those combinations with those types of cannabinoids that could precisely dial in different kinds of combinations. So if you could have inactive formulation combining with inactive formulation, there's different effects. So all the programs that I've designed are designed off of non-active or active All of these programs, because they actually do help different cases. So with autism, you want an active two. With epilepsy and seizures, you don't want an active two.

1:45:12SpeakerSo there's conditions that we've discovered that have efficiencies that are higher on the scale based on those particular observational points. And so what I see in the future is finding out a test So that we can find out someone's endocannabinoid deficiency rating. Then we can find out whether those pins and needles that I was talking about, some of us heard that, where you have 100 needles on a block and 100 holes on this block.

1:45:45SpeakerAnd when they match here, the cannabinoid system is working, like our signaling system, our traffic signaling system outside. And so if an individual has an 80% deficiency, being able to have that map and being able to look at that deficiency allows them Thank you. Awesome, dude.

1:46:30BubblemanYou know what, I can do it. I bet you. Yeah, I can. I can mute you. Well, awesome. Thanks for sharing. Always a pleasure. We got Jen Doe, we got Mike West, and a few others who are, you know, we're going to try and get in in the next hour. So if anyone's just hanging out and doesn't have anything to share... And, uh,

1:47:22SpeakerThis came out of UCAN lab. Very nice. Very nice. This is a natural transdermal bomb.

1:47:36SpeakerDr. David just wrote two types of cannabis.

1:47:42BubblemanYou stimulate... Tony, unmute real quick again. Go back to the chat. When you stimulate CB1 receptors, you get anabolism. When you stimulate CB2, you get catabolism. You want to talk about that a little bit, David?

1:47:59SpeakerLet me unmute you.

1:48:01BubblemanI think I have that ability now.

1:48:05BubblemanNo, you're going to have to unmute. There you go.

1:48:10SpeakerHi guys. There's, we're trying, we're still don't understand exactly what all the cannabinoid receptors do. And there may be more than two. We know for sure there are CB1s and CB2s. There may be some others too.

1:48:31SpeakerAnd Dr. Bob Melamede thinks that when you stimulate CB1 receptors that you get, you know, You change your fatty metabolism to where you build up. And when you stimulate your CB2 receptors, you stimulate your fatty metabolism to tear down. So catabolism is a tearing down and anabolism is a building up. So anabolic steroids build up and...

1:49:10SpeakerAnd so we're not sure exactly what all this means, but there is room for different musical notes, if you will, of chemical combinations that will produce different functions. And truly, the bodies, our endocannabinoid system is a complex system of enzymes that produce the cannabinoids, they transport the cannabinoids, Thank you for joining us today.

1:50:10SpeakerA name of this is this enzyme deficiency in the endocannabinoid signaling system. And so that's coming down the road. And another thing that's real important that I wanted to talk to people about is cannabis has always been hard to study because it's an oil. It's not water soluble. It's non-poor soluble, not water soluble. Uh, polar soluble. So, you can't inject it into the vein. Because if you inject oil into somebody's vein, it's going to kill them.

1:50:48SpeakerSo, the future of the, of, of medicine is to make a water soluble cannabinoid. And, um, so, in the future, there will have water soluble cannabinoids And you can make cannabinoids water soluble by making them like a THC ester. So when you make it, then there's a US patent on how to make cannabinoids into esters. And that's crucial because the future of cannabis in medicine is this.

1:51:28SpeakerWhen the ambulance picks you up, no matter what kind of disease you have, if you're having a baby, If you just had a gunshot wound, if you broke your spine, if you had a heart attack or stroke, it doesn't matter what you have, when the ambulance picks you up, they will start an IV and they will give you water-soluble cannabinoids and they will decrease oxidative metabolism and help you survive strokes and help you survive all these other things.

1:52:06SpeakerAnybody that's listening to this, what you should concentrate your efforts on is making water-soluble cannabinoids.

1:52:19SpeakerHow about that? Well, I've got a question for you, Dr. Allen. I remember when I was researching THC acetate, I wasn't looking for whether that qualified as water-soluble. Back in those days, I was mainly looking it up when I was looking for something that was equivalent to something you could spray on someone's tongue and have immediate effects, but in a subliminal style. So would a THC acetate format qualify?

1:52:50SpeakerBecause my only real issue is the chemicals involved in production. I'm not that familiar with the chemistry. I do know that THC acetate is like... I don't know, 10 or 100 times stronger than THC. It may be water soluble, I don't know. But the future of heart surgery is, the reason I know all about this is because in heart surgery, when you stop the heart, what you do is you put a cross clamp on, you put the patient on bypass, and then you put a cross clamp on the aorta, And you suck out all the blood and then you give potassium to the heart and you put topical ice on the heart and that cools it down.

1:53:43SpeakerAnd then you do your operation. And then after the operation's over, that's when the danger comes. What you do is you open up the cross clamp and the warm blood from the body rushes back into the heart. And what happens is you get what's called a reperfusion injury. And this happens in strokes, too. The same process happens in strokes. And what happens is the blood goes into the area that was previously ischemic, low blood flow, and the oxygen in the blood disassociates and becomes oxygen-free radicals.

1:54:26SpeakerSo it's just like hydrogen peroxide or something you can think of. And so the heart is exposed to all these Oxygen-free radicals, and the secret to heart surgery is to control reperfusion injury. And so I predict in the future that heart surgeons will be given water-soluble cannabinoids to their patients before they put the cross clamp on, and when they take the cross clamp off, they'll have less reperfusion injury and better mortality, morbidity because of that.

1:55:02SpeakerThat's the key to heart surgery right there is reperfusion injury.

1:55:08BubblemanAnd once again, cannabis saves the day. Cannabis, 8,573,000, prohibition zero.

1:55:15MikeWe've actually had a few conversations with Michelle Sexton about CBD infused plasma because like you said, we could either do an acetate or an ester to actually be able to inject a CBD plasma after a stroke. And that'll actually help reduce a lot of this post-stroke injury and kind of help the body heal as well.

1:55:44BubblemanWelcome, Mike. Mike West in the house. Tony just mentioned by regenerative medicine, the balm he has is water-soluble cannabinoids and terpene plasma as well.

1:55:59BubblemanAnd then there we go. Good hashtags today.

1:56:05BubblemanWe'll say hi to your friend too, Mike. He's on camera. What's up, Mike's friend?

1:56:09MikeSo this is James Irby, MJ Cannasore. So I was actually going to say, we've been working with a couple different types of bombs because there was a, you know, one of the things that the state of Washington is going to be looking at is actually requiring medication. So, you know, different types of balms, whether they're going to have to be liquid in nature or more of a solid in nature.

1:56:34MikeWe've worked with some homeopaths as well to create essentially a muscle balm. And that's this one. It's going to be kind of more of your consistency, right, Tony? Oh, it's not in right now?

1:56:49BubblemanHe's in, I think. He's just a... I'd have to give you the thumbs up.

1:56:54MikeSo that's going to be Something that has trans-thermal applications.

1:56:59SpeakerI think if he's doing the water-based ones, that's going to be the closest.

1:57:03MikeAnd then it's just a simple infusion with a trans-thermal oil. We've also been working with pairing different oils. So something like cinnamon would be better for muscle relaxation, or lavender, pairing lavender or mint. And those will actually... You can actually pair the different strains, the different terpenes in those strains, as well as the different carrier oils to synergistically create products that can be designed for specific application, whether it's specifically for skin cancer or muscle regeneration or relaxation.

1:57:46BubblemanI had a friend in Manitoba watching. He's helping someone right now with skin cancer. I can't remember the name. It's some terrible long, long name that's just terrible. But he wanted to know a little bit about it if anyone wants to touch upon the different applications for skin cancer. I can open him up real quick in my Facebook. He had asked me a specific question. There he is.

1:58:09BubblemanYeah, he wants to talk about skin cancer and then I know Dr. David Allen knows a lot about the diabetes. He also had a question about diabetes as well. In regards to potentially, I guess, what the best way would be to go about, you know, like, okay, if he's going to use a balm, what would be the best type of balm? How do you control the concentration of it?

1:58:29BubblemanAre people making those balms strong enough right now for skin cancer?

1:58:39MikeYes and no. Obviously, with treating skin cancer, you want to try and get as much of the Phytocannabinoids, both THC as well as CBD. THC is going to increase the apoptosis. CBD is going to increase the spread of the cancer. Myrcene also helps. What I've seen a lot of help with, work with, is using a concentrated alcohol extraction applied topically and then in the local area applied with a balm.

1:59:13SpeakerCan you use a balm?

1:59:16MikeWith the one-to-one ratio, along with some mercine in the lotions, just to reduce the inflammation. Obviously, there's no silver bullet, but a lot of the balms, it's hard to get a concentration that's relatively high.

1:59:40BubblemanAre you using your CO2 extracts for your balm, Mike?

1:59:44MikeWe do CO2 extracts. We also have a couple that are dry sieved as well as dry ice sieved. It kind of depends on the dry sieved takes a little bit longer to heal the effects, but actually it has a little bit longer duration. We've gotten a little bit faster efficacy shown when we're using the CO2 extract, but the duration is dependent on our carrier oils.

2:00:21BubblemanAnd have you met Kay before from Trichome Technologies or heard about him? He's in the room right now. I think you guys would have an interesting conversation. You want to say something?

2:00:29MikeYeah, we briefly had a good talk, a few talks. So yeah, it's very interesting. I mean, we're We're lucky because it's, you know, that's one of the things that, you know, in all reality I think that the biggest benefit from cannabis will come from the full plant extractions. You know, there will be the research that needs to be done to identify the benefits of individual phytocannabinoids or terpenes as well as the synergistic effects, but for us that will go up.

2:01:09MikeWe've developed whole plant extractions to being able to take specific strains pairing that have the phytocannabinoid ratios we're looking for and pairing them with the terpene ratios. That's where we can actually start creating the development of the different profiles.

2:01:27BubblemanVery cool, very cool. I want to say welcome to Jen. Do we want to just come into the room?

2:01:32SpeakerGood morning.

2:01:36BubblemanGood morning from Whistler. Having a good little hash church here. I invited Jen in today actually because she always seems to start the most insane Facebook posts that just like 8,000 people comment on and it's just like... And I'm always most impressed because Jen, it's not of you with like a selfie in your underwear. It's not the standard how the girl gets a ton of comments on her page.

2:01:59BubblemanIt's just you showing a beautiful melt shot on a pipe and talking about the crystallization process which... I guess I wanted to talk a little bit about it with you guys. We've got some kind of experts, semi-experts, lots of hash makers in the room, but we know that when we make water hashing properly, when we don't break it up properly and get that surface area exposed to a desiccant or at least a very dry, non-humid air, that we end up with a moist wax membrane in the trichome head that holds that moisture.

2:02:30BubblemanWe know that it exists. I've photographed it enough to see when it's bulbous and brand new and live. As opposed to when it's three months cured and looks more like a raisin with ridges throughout the glandular trichome head. So if you make water hashing properly and you press it with water in it that it degrades, the water breaks down the membranes and it creates this sort of whiting out that Skunk Man Sam and Rob Clark have always used that term for many years.

2:02:59BubblemanI didn't really understand it fully until I started making Dry Sift. And then one day I made some dry sift with Matt the Great Gardener's barb, and I noticed that it did this buttering out process, which meant that buttering out, whiting out, could not only be from a moist trichome head or trapped water, because I had photographed this resin. It had been cured for multiple months, hung on the stalk, cured for multiple months on the plant, processed, cleaned, and cured for more months.

2:03:31BubblemanIt was completely bone dry resin. But in some way it rehydrated itself. I don't know if it acted as a desiccant and pulled moisture out of the air. I don't know if terpenes leaked out the bottom cuticle and wrapped itself around the gland head and broke the gland head down or maybe the glands were ruptured at one point in time. I sort of wanted to start that conversation out, throw that out to everyone.

2:03:54BubblemanWhat do you guys think about this crystallization? We know that it exists when you do it improperly.

2:04:01SpeakerWhy is it happening improperly?

2:04:05Todd MccormickWell, if I could, Mark, I'd like to address two things, one for the doctor and also for the gentleman making the balms and things. I like to disseminate information, and one thing I've found is those mono and sesquiterpenes are very water-soluble. It's kind of an incredible thing. I've seen on your post you had three bottles of fractions. Two of them are more of an alcohol-water composition, and one is more of a greasy, oilier composition, and To first sight, you wouldn't think those things would absorb into water, but they jump into water.

2:04:35Todd MccormickIt's really incredible. So I agree with what the doctor says. Someday, a saline solution with those terpenes will be brought into your system. And I can only hypothesize what they'll do for plaque situations, be it in the internal arteries or for something like Alzheimer's or something like that. I believe that those things are going to really do incredible things as far as that goes. Now, to the gentleman making the balms, it's incredible that it's an absorbent.

2:05:02Todd MccormickI mean, when you mix those pure terpenes with cannabinoids, I mean, you really don't need like DMSO or any of those other carriers. I mean, those terpenes absorb right into your skin and will stay with you for quite a while. They're really complex and really incredible. As far as the resin head, I mean, I still want to know why... Thank you for joining us.

2:05:43BubblemanAbsolutely. I sometimes think it has to do with where the head is broken. And when you look up, I've photographed it enough times, it's different there. The membrane is different. And I wouldn't even be surprised if that's where the smells are escaping as well. Because I'm not sure those smells are escaping out of that wax membrane.

2:06:05SpeakerWell, if you think about, like, when people blow glass, okay, and you blow a ball, where you break it off, you've got that That area that's compromised that they have to go through and fix. So it seems like it makes sense that you have that separation there. That's where it's coming from.

2:06:32Todd MccormickHold on. Go ahead. I completely agree with that. That's what I hypothesized for many, many years. But again, it's just a hypothesis, but it is the logical answer. But it is interesting to me that, again, that you do have water-soluble terpenes that just leap out of that water that are so responsible for flavor, smell, everything else. So, you know, that's why the difference between dry sieve and water hash.

2:06:55Todd MccormickBut as that conversation came up with Mark, it's like, Thank you for joining us today.

2:07:20Todd MccormickThank you for joining us today.

2:07:47Todd MccormickThank you for watching.

2:08:06Todd MccormickYou know, to withhold information and technology for profit, I just don't see, that's going to slow down our process. At the end of the process, we'll end up so much further ahead, and everybody will benefit, not just a single few, you know? Beautifully put. Beautifully put, Kay.

2:08:24BubblemanAnyone else have anything they want to mention on that particular topic? I guess we lost, oh, Tony Scott, something he wants to say. Let's unmute the team man.

2:08:31SpeakerCan you hear me? Can you hear me?

2:08:39BubblemanI can hear you, buddy.

2:08:42SpeakerWell, hopefully, Kay, I have mad respect for you. I hope you know. And I want to say publicly congratulations on your patents, on your terpene extraction. And I read over them and everything. And I surely hope that you don't think I'm holding out for the proper reasons. When you first came on, the sentence that you said about holding on to certain things right now To kind of protect the wrong hands from getting them is really the aspect.

2:09:15SpeakerAnd also completing enough research on certain things. Like the doctor said earlier about, I don't know what the negative side effects of smoking pure concentrated terpene drops are or vaporizing them. We smoke them in flowers. We smoke little concentrates of them in hash and different things, but we don't know that stuff. So sometimes that's also what I'm, in my mind, what I'm trying to do is finish this whole extraction process and system in its completion and not in its early stages.

2:09:50SpeakerAnd then obviously that information will eventually be public. But it's not for the reasons of that. So I hope the audience and people understand that because sometimes there's, every time we do something, we try to progress. Now the industry is advancing so much that there's vultures and there's different type of big pharmaceutical companies that they just want, want, want, want. And at the end of the day, they've single-handedly prevented our human race and systems from functioning properly.

2:10:28SpeakerI'm not a believer in pharmaceutical drugs. I don't even take over-the-counter Tylenol. I'm all plant-based, all plants and organizms in what I eat and what I preach. So hopefully everybody understands that. That's all I wanted to say.

2:10:52Todd MccormickSo, Tony, first and foremost, I have to say that if you and I don't control this industry, some nefarious character is going to. So, I read, you know, some character jumped in and said something to the effect of, patents are stupid, fuck patents. And I've seen your response, and your response is, it was very, very eloquent. I mean, you know, much respect to all the work you're doing and, you know...

2:11:19Todd MccormickYeah, many people know of your work and I respect your work and everything else. If we don't control our industry, somebody else is going to. So as far as patenting technologies and stuff like that, I mean, we have to to protect our industry. If we don't, pharmaceutical companies are going to. I mean, you can already see where you and I can go into our lab. We can create a very, very, very healthy tincture for $10, $12.

2:11:44Todd MccormickBut somebody else wants to throw patents on it, and they want to shove it down the, I believe, Sativex is going for 72 pounds. In England. And it's like, this is a gouge. And the only way that we're going to keep that from happening, the only way that we're going to control our industry, me and you own patents. We can give them to our people. They're going to control them.

2:12:06Todd MccormickSo I mean, if it's not for people like you and I and other people that think like us, we can protect our industry. And if we don't, nobody else is going to. So, I mean, much respect to everything you're doing. Every patent that you can file, file. You must, because if you don't, somebody else is going to, and they're going to control our industry, and we never will again.

2:12:24Todd MccormickAnd the second it's rescheduled, There will be no medical marijuana in our community anymore. No cookie, no cake, no treat, no candy, no sublingual drop. They're going to take control of this. And for the better, they're going to spend $20 billion on research and things like that. So they're going to figure out that Alzheimer's stuff where I never could or how to reduce plaque in the circulatory system and things like that.

2:12:48Todd MccormickSo they do have a place. But They're not just going to take control of our industry and sell it back to us at super inflated prices. So much respect to all the work you're doing. I love the concept of what you're doing, being able to keep that at certain increments and change profiles, give different ratios within the same products. Dude, that's revolutionary. That's really, really incredible products, and I love to see the things you do.

2:13:11SpeakerI appreciate those words. Sometimes I feel like We get a strange audience where it's like, you know, as DNA put it in Amsterdam, it's unity in the community. You know, it's like the stronger our community can stand together against that opposing force, the better chance we actually have to kind of put our elbows out and research it. And that's really what United Cannabis and what I'm doing with Public Man and CRD is about, is that we're not accepted in Canada.

2:13:48SpeakerWe're not accepted in our own country, so we have to seek out other avenues for us to be able to put our elbows out and say, okay, let's research these things in the way that we want to and try to find these combinations and parallel them with actual patients and make real results and then be able to perform We've been trying to do it for

2:14:38SpeakerFucking 70 years. So it's time that we all come together and rise as a unit.

2:14:47BubblemanThat's one of the reasons I love the name you chose for the United Cannabis Company. It's nice to unite. Unity in the community. Every time I heard Don or Aaron or Tony or quite a few other people that I heard say that, it just put a smile on my face and In particular, it seemed like this year at the Cup, I don't know why, but it was really like, it felt like, it felt like True and Ramon had been like hammered down, like they were like, boom, and then boom, boom, boom, and then oh, two more for you, and everyone was just like, oh, this is just, I just really want to see things work out for those guys, they're fucking such good guys, they're trying so hard, they got great, and then it happened, you know, it just blew up for them that they ended up up on every stage, everywhere I was actually, it was just like, Oh, there's those guys up again.

2:15:32BubblemanI remember calling out Ramon's name at the Legends of Hash. Number 17, Jurassic.

2:15:40SpeakerSeven females. We've got the container, the same container, number 17. Yeah, number 17.

2:15:49BubblemanYou know, you've got to get a t-shirt just with a number 17 on it. People will be like, what's up with that? And I'll be just like, man, if you don't know, you don't know. I can't explain it.

2:16:00SpeakerYeah, I was really happy for you guys when I saw you up on stage. I was like, hey, I met those guys. They're rad. I was really rooting for you. So, yeah, congratulations. Bye. Bye. I haven't seen you in a while. Sorry?

2:16:16SpeakerSorry, I didn't want to talk to her.

2:16:25SpeakerAwesome.

2:16:25BubblemanYou made it back. Welcome.

2:16:27SpeakerAll right. Hey, look. Fifty washes. Still looking good. Still looking good.

2:16:32BubblemanPeople send me those and they look like a lawnmower drove over it.

2:16:38SpeakerMine is only just slightly, slightly green. That's it. Just slightly. I got to get back to this. I'll see you guys in a bit.

2:16:47BubblemanRight on, Stu. Awesome. It's always good when someone's making hash. Can I talk about hemp seed oil? Well, yeah. We'd love to hear about hemp seed oil. Are you kidding me?

2:16:57SpeakerYou know, yeah, I'm on. You know, I just want to say something because it's beautiful listening to so many people talk about oil from cannabis or CBD oil or BHO oil or any of these oils that we're smoking and vaporizing for cannabinoid content. My comment, in a way, is that Rick Simpson... As good as his intentions were, it did us a disservice when he talked about it as hemp seed oil because hemp seed oil as a cold pressed derived product that all of us right now can go down to our Whole Foods or our natural supermarket and pick up cold pressed hemp seed oil and it is an anti-cancer.

2:17:38SpeakerIt is a transdermal. It is a whole different element of oils with EFAs, rich proteins, aminos. We need to consume what I want to call almost right now the other cannabis oil, which is the seed oil, because really this is where it's going. And back when I was doing edibles in the 90s, I was taking my resin glands that I was sieving with my particle separation sieves, And I was actually simmering it in hemp seed oil until it would disappear.

2:18:09SpeakerAnd then I was using that to make my edibles because I always thought, wouldn't it be amazing if nature gave us the ultimate extraction tool for our cannabinoids in the seed oil of the same plant? And right now a lot of people are losing the fact that hemp seed oil is anti-cancerous when you look at the preventive medicine that perfect nutrition can provide to our bodies because that's how our immune systems actually operate.

2:18:41SpeakerBut so many of us are operating in a malnourished state because our food is pasteurized, homogenized, heated, otherwise created to be stored. And when they do that, we're understanding this now with, say, terpenes and flavonoids That they disappear. Well, with hemp seed oil with food, our essential fatty acids disappear. And all of us are getting degenerative diseases. We're getting problems with our thinking. We're getting dementia. We're on antidepressants as a whole in society.

2:19:10SpeakerWhen we really have a lack of essential fatty acids in our diet just due to the way our food's processed. So everybody watching this could benefit from the other oil in cannabis, which is totally legal. You can't smoke it, but it's an edible. You can go out, you can ingest it, you can pick it up. You will think faster. Your thoughts will be connected more easily. Literally the area in your mind that is in between your receptors and your synapses is a pie electron cloud of essential fatty acids.

2:19:43SpeakerAnd when our diets are depleted, In these EFAs, our whole body, our whole immune system suffers. So when we're talking about hemp oil, really it should be hemp seed oil from cannabis seeds and then hemp oil derived from the resins of the flowers. And right now we're seeing massive confusion in the market where people are trying to say that hemp seed oil and high CBD oil are medicine.

2:20:11SpeakerAnd not to be rude, but there is no cannabinoids in hemp seed oil unless that hemp seed oil is contaminated. When we're talking about alcohol-extracted cannabinoid-based oils, we're really not talking about hemp seed oil. And right now there are Canadian... There are European companies that are trying to legitimize their CBD extractions, which are really just CO2 extractions, but they're trying to call it hemp seed oil. And there is no hemp seed oil in their oil.

2:20:44SpeakerIt's CO2 extracted CBD. And to me, there's a lot of confusion coming into this market right now because people want to confuse the market because they know that hemp seed oil is legal down at Whole Foods. But they want to pretend that their CBD extracted CO2 oil is hemp seed oil too, and it's not. But we could all benefit if we went out, picked up hemp seed oil, started putting it on our skin, started putting it in our food.

2:21:12SpeakerIt is what we need, the building blocks of our health. And I just wanted to lay that out because so many people are talking about hemp seed oil, hemp oil, and oil as a cannabinoid derivative. And I believe it's bringing a lot of confusion into the nutritional situation.

2:21:29BubblemanI agree with everything you said, Todd. And the only thing I would really add is that how we know the importance of essential amino acids is that when we're babies and our moms are breastfeeding us, that breast milk is basically endocannabinoids and essential amino acids. And we know that essential amino acids are the building blocks of endocannabinoids. That's what we do with them inside our bodies. We produce endocannabinoids with essential amino acids to help our endocannabinoid signaling system to regulate all these biological functions.

2:22:05BubblemanI don't think it's coincidence that cannabis, this incredible plant that produces phytocannabinoids for us, also produces the highest percentage in the perfect ratio for humans of essential amino acids, all eight that humans require, including the three for children. Boom!

2:22:24SpeakerThank you. Hey, everybody, go read Dr. Udo Erasmus' great book. He's a Canadian doctor. It's called Facts That Heal, Facts That Kill. And it's actually got an entire chapter on hemp seed oil and the nutritional benefits of EFAs and balanced aminos and essentially digestible proteins, which is what hemp has. And of course, go read Jack Carrey's book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, because it has a whole chapter on hemp seed nutrition too.

2:22:51SpeakerSo back to the oil that gets us high, but honestly, being healthy gives you a natural high. And if everybody can get healthy, honestly, I think everybody would be a lot happier. Mike, two cents. Did you have something? Yeah, actually I agree 100% with everything he said. And I think it needs to be out there a lot more because it's confusing the shit out of everyone. But I also think that the idea of the Whole Foods thing, like what he was talking about, I started picking this up.

2:23:25SpeakerIt was pretty funny. I walked in one day and I walked by and it caught my eye. Hemp tofu, right? So this is a hemp tofu. This is vegan, gluten-free, allergen-free, soy-free, and it says right on here, all source of omega-3 plus 6 plus all essential amino acids and fatty acids, like right on the package. Non-GMO product, and it has 30 grams of protein in what looks like a chicken breast.

2:23:53SpeakerIt even comes all organically ready for you to go eat raw or just mix it in. But I think you got it. I got this at Whole Foods. Oh, nice. For like five bucks. Does it taste good?

2:24:20BubblemanSorry, I've got to be quick on the mics. If everyone can be really quick to mute their mics, I can operate Tony's forum, but I can't operate everyone's. So when you're done talking, just mute your mic right away in that way, because I guess we've got Tony and Todd both have mics that are really reverberating. So you've just got to be muted up when you're not talking.

2:24:44SpeakerI feel like that's what, when I used to be in the construction business, that we all had two-way radios, and everybody had to learn to hit the button, speak, and let go of the button, and speak, and that's what the beauty of a two-way is, you only get, you know, one person really talking there.

2:25:01BubblemanOver.

2:25:01SpeakerOver. You know, I could just add, I could just add, I could just add, I could just add.

2:25:12SpeakerAll I want to say is I think it's all about cannabis consciousness for us. This is a bigger path than just about getting high or medicating our illnesses. It's about healing the planet, changing society for the better, freeing our friends and our brothers and sisters. To me, there's been no victory in Colorado and no victory in Washington and no victory in Oregon until the people sitting in jail are let out of jail for crimes that are no longer crimes.

2:25:38SpeakerAnd we can't forget that this is the whole point of our freedom. And I believe this issue is going to become a human rights issue at some point because people will see the fundamental rights we have to simply growing flowers and making our own medicine and healing our own bodies. And being able to talk about this whole, the whole cannabis world and not just focus on these minute little parts but really the bigger element of it is I really think the gift of the internet and the gift of what you're doing right now because it's really about our freedom, our fundamental freedoms.

2:26:10SpeakerAnd as much as I love being healthy, I've had cancer 10 times as a kid, it's about adult rights, adult use. I never say recreational use out loud anymore when I'm talking to people because a 14-year-old can have recreational use of cannabis. I know I did it. But when you talk about adult use, I mean, we send our kids into stores every day. There's gas they can't buy for cars they can't drive.

2:26:33SpeakerThere's knives they can't play with, guns they can't buy, ammunition they can't use, porn they can't jerk off to, liquor they can't drink. And we don't think twice about sending them into those stores and explaining to them that when they grow up, they can use these things. Why can't cannabis be one of those things, too? And I believe that's where we've really got to go with this.

2:26:53SpeakerAnd don't just medicalize the conversation, but don't forget that as an adult, we should have... Inalienable human rights to our own bodies. And I believe that's a part of this conversation really needs to get brought up because freedom's important. And really, freedom isn't free. We all know who's going to prison. I spent five years in a federal prison. And you know what? It was worth it because when I got out, I'm still back to being free.

2:27:17SpeakerAnd I highly recommend it to everybody because freedom feels good.

2:27:24SpeakerNow when I moved to Washington from Utah, like it was the most amazing thing. I was like, holy shit, I can talk about weed all I want. And so I've kind of like just made that my goal. Like that's my mission in life is to just scream it to the world because I fucking can. That's why. Like to hell with people telling me that I have to be quiet and I have to hide and I have to pull my children aside before kindergarten so that they You can learn about the actual DARE program, you know, which is just a big trap.

2:28:00SpeakerIt's like...

2:28:02BubblemanIt's the rat on your mom.

2:28:04SpeakerIt's the rat on your mom. It's the, do your parents smoke out of pipes and does it smell funny? And yeah, like I had to pull my children aside and teach them. And I was like, okay girls, so mommy uses this medicine. And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, well, do you love your mommy? They're like, yeah? And I'm like, do I take good care of you?

2:28:26SpeakerAnd they're like, yeah? And I'm like, okay, well, if anybody knows about my medicine, they're going to take you away from me. And, you know, like, I had to train them so that that didn't happen. And it was amazing. You almost have to do a counter-education to your children, almost like a counter-education to the prohibitionist education that's out there, for sure. That's interesting, for sure. Yeah, that's exactly it, especially in Utah.

2:28:51SpeakerIt's very... No, no, no, like you're a criminal. You know, but by teaching them, like moving to Washington was, oh my God, like my kids advocate for cannabis now. They will see somebody get on and be like, cannabis causes cancer if you smoke it. And they're like, uh, no, actually it doesn't. You know, and they're like 12 and 15 years old. And I'm like, yay. So yeah, absolutely.

2:29:16SpeakerLike everybody that can advocate has to because if everybody's screaming about it, They can't say shit to us. Well, that's it.

2:29:25BubblemanIt's people that, it's that, it's no longer the spaced out, doped up, you know, super stoned looking guy that's like, yeah, man, you know, we got it. You know, like, don't get me wrong, I loved Cheech and Chong and that. They were hilarious in the time, but I'm so happy to see Tommy become more than Cheech and Chong and become, you know, go on TV and say, I got cancer and I'm going to cure it with cannabis.

2:29:47BubblemanAnd then boom, and then do that. It was like that was an inspirational, to me, he took his legacy and he removed it from that stereotypical super stoner, like I don't know what I'm talking about to actually we're intelligent, we have the ability to articulate, we have the ability to learn and share our knowledge and this is really important information and the more and more people that listen to it, the more and more people That it's going to expand into their groups.

2:30:13BubblemanAnd I say it every week in Hash Church. We've got 343 people in here right now watching all over the world. And make sure that you have these conversations with your parents and with your friends and your co-workers because everyone knows someone that's sick. And I'll tell you, the first thing when I tell someone that's kind of really outside of the cannabis industry, but I tell them the amazing sort of, the importance of phytocannabinoids to the endocannabinoid signaling system, Right away they're like, oh, you know, my buddy's got stage 3 cancer.

2:30:46BubblemanIt's like, well, now don't you feel better that you have some incredible information that you're going to be able to share with your buddy that could actually potentially save his life as well as increase the quality of his life. So it's hard to say how great it is.

2:31:01SpeakerWell, let me just add, everybody, you know, I was looked down on, obviously. They're like, you use cannabis? No, no, no. If your kids are going to be retarded, you're going to have nothing but problems. My children get 4.0s in school. They've never touched a drug in their life. They've never even looked at one sideways because they're like, no, that's medicine and we have goals in life.

2:31:25SpeakerThey're nailing 4.0s. Cannabis doesn't seem that bad, does it? I did something. You call me a drug dealer and a drug user and a drug addict and yet Where are your kids at, sweetheart? Like, take your antidepressants and kiss my ass. So, yeah, I mean, it's really important to educate your children because these are the kids that, you know, like my daughter just turned 16. Guess who's going to be able to vote in two years?

2:31:55SpeakerAnd guess who has a shit ton of friends? Like, this is what we have to do in order to help progress this movement. So, I mean, I personally would like to encourage more people to do that, you know.

2:32:08BubblemanAbsolutely. I agree. Samantha agrees too. I can see her waving her head up and down.

2:32:15JohnnyI really agree. It's great you're bringing up about being a mother and raising kids and the prejudice around that because obviously being a mother is something I really want to do but cannabis is my medicine that I need daily and it is a real controversial issue when you start talking about using cannabis and having children, being pregnant, bringing up kids and I think that's why a lot of You know, there are many women cannabis users out there and I think that's the main reason why they don't speak up because if you do, there's the risk of, oh, they'll take my kids away because I'm using this drug, you know, and it's absolutely insane, you know, and it shouldn't be like that at all, you know, and like I said, if everyone starts standing up and speaking up for it, you know, then it will change, you know.

2:33:05SpeakerAbsolutely. Yeah, we take a lot of risks, you know, but... I believe in it and just education keeps you out of trouble, keeps everybody in the what's going on and people need it. But yeah, I caught your story and I just want to say amazing, like such an inspiration. Thank you.

2:33:30JohnnyThank you. I do. I want to, like, I want to spread the story because I know it will, like, inspire people and I want, you know, I want to turn people on to using cannabis and, you know, showing the good that it can do, you know.

2:33:42SpeakerAbsolutely. Well, I would love to help you so I'll have to get your information and we'll definitely connect.

2:33:47JohnnyThank you.

2:33:48BubblemanYeah. And Samantha, I got a message, Samantha, from a gentleman on Facebook and he also wants to help you. I don't know him. He just says, I can help Samantha out with her medicine. I live in Southampton on the south coast of England.

2:34:06JohnnyAwesome.

2:34:07BubblemanHe said it just like that. Just joking. There's his email in the box for you. Brogan.

2:34:14JohnnyCool. Cheers. Thank you.

2:34:16BubblemanYeah. There you go. Good old hash church. Linking people up, inspiring people, putting smiles on people's faces, and... You know, geez, this has been a real serious hash church in the sense that I haven't seen as much puffing going on. D420K was in here. I missed saying hi to him. He was puffing like a chimney. I guess we better, yeah, I think it's time. Are you dabbing?

2:34:42BubblemanNo, you go for it, dude. My buddy's sitting here near Chris.

2:34:47SpeakerWe've been perpetually smoking the whole time. Well, you guys have. That's true. You guys are holding it down. He's in the repair shop because it got broken. What did? My rig, my little rig. Your little guy? No, my little guy is fine, but somebody stole my 10 mil mail while I was in Amsterdam, so I can't even use him.

2:35:13BubblemanCome on. You got Amsterdam?

2:35:15SpeakerI won't name names. I won't name names, but Jonah from Dab Stars.

2:35:22BubblemanLook, I'll give it back already.

2:35:25SpeakerWas he you?

2:35:27BubblemanNo.

2:35:27SpeakerYeah. I didn't get to use him like three quarters of the time I was there because we threw my nail on him.

2:35:35BubblemanSomeone left this in my hotel room in Amsterdam and this is, this is, I fired it up and brought it home so I don't know whose this is but I have it and I paid, what did we pay for this Tony? About 800,000 dabs? Is that how many dabs we went through this year in Amsterdam? You're live.

2:35:54SpeakerOh. You know, I just want to first talk about Ramon and the crew out there, since I didn't get a chance to earlier, and say that I really had a good time hanging out with you guys. Much respect. I do apologize for the many, many times that I only hung out with you for about 15 minutes and then had to pass out. So hopefully the next time we hang out, I'll be a little bit more prepared And try not to pass out at the moment we start hanging out.

2:36:28SpeakerPeople need to be happy about it. Next time someone tries to feed you something, just let them know you can't handle them. He can't say no. He has to if he wants to.

2:36:45SpeakerI'm wishing it was my first time.

2:36:54SpeakerYeah, it's just... But, I don't know, can you still hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.

2:37:09BubblemanYes, nobody can... Mike is live. We all go... Talking, you just have to... And then mute yourself.

2:37:18SpeakerI'll figure out why that's the issue next time. But yeah, no, I had a really good time hanging out with you guys. And, you know, it wasn't like we were hitting, like the hash that we had, it wasn't like it was soft by any means. It was like your first place winner here, your legends of hash. I mean, it was like Bubba Wind had some sun, some dry scents that like sat out open the whole time, like little rock babies, that skunk haze or whatever it was.

2:37:52SpeakerRemember that? Sweet Skunk. Sweet Skunk. We had Turp, Sweet Skunk, Turp Melt, Dry Sip Ramones, you know, all at the same time. That's serious shit. Serious shit. Incredible. Incredible.

2:38:16SpeakerFor us, it's a real treat because, like I say, we're kind of living like savages out here in Europe. We don't really get to compare with a lot of people with a lot of the things we're doing. So we don't really get to even find out how well we're doing until people come over for cup time and then we get to kind of gauge things so when it comes to people like yourself and Jibs and all those guys and people we really respect what you're doing and the quality of products that you're putting out and the passion you've got when we then get that respect from you and get that good feedback and you get a kind of tip of the hat to say that we're doing well it does give us that encouragement so

2:38:57BubblemanEspecially when you know we don't blow smoke up people's asses. Like if I have to, I'll give it a full Gordon Ramsay. And I gave it quite a few times to people that were like, hey, what do you think of my hash? And I was like, well, do you want the Gordon Ramsay? Yeah, yeah, that's it. You want me to tell you which one you want?

2:39:14SpeakerBye. Yeah. You want honesty or you want me to lie to you? Well, that's it, right?

2:39:21BubblemanEveryone just calls that guy a dick, but he's just like so sick of being honest with people he comes across as angry because he has to say the same thing every day like 8,000 times to 10,000 different people. It's like, okay, I'll give you the Gordon Ramsay. This is ridiculous, Hash. You didn't even dry it properly. There's still moisture in it. It's soft. It doesn't make the click sound.

2:39:38BubblemanIt doesn't burn properly. It's not melting. You didn't grow it properly.

2:39:41SpeakerThat's really important though because like you have these people out there that are getting their little egos just like stroked by their buddies and they're like, your shit is So bomb, dude. It's so good. And then you see these horrible fucking hashes, and they're proud of it. And you can't help but feel bad for them because they don't know because everybody else is lying to them. And I've had to be that girl numerous times that's like, so it was a really good try, but it sucks.

2:40:15SpeakerI'm sorry. We just have to be honest here. And I have to be that bitch sometimes, you know? And I'm like, that's why I tell people, yeah, do you want me to be honest or do you want me to lie? Like, do you want to feel good about yourself or do you want to improve yourself? Because you've got to pick one. Sometimes a good way to deal with people is show them something.

2:40:39SpeakerThat's superior. And if they haven't got the intelligence to put together what's going on and that there is another level to what's being done, then they haven't got the passion and the know-how to go forward, then they're not the person who's going to get that next level. If you show people who have really got the passion and they're in it to get to the best level, if you show them something better than what they've got, then they're interested to ask you, why is that?

2:41:04SpeakerAnd then they want to know. And then they're intrigued. Rather than just having smoke blowing up their ass and thinking, oh, mine's the best. And don't think anyone says they don't really like you. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:41:29SpeakerWho had his own organic bud grown by himself back in the day. When I saw that, it made me go back to the drawing room and realize I had to do more in my growth. And that's the same with everything. You just got to kind of show people the next level and hope that they then take that cue and want to seek more information and ask the right questions.

2:41:49SpeakerWell, people respect you a lot as well when you tell them the truth. Because as much as honesty hurts sometimes, they're like, Wow, thank you, because I feel like an ass, because I've been parading around this bullshit, thinking that it was gold, and like, thank you for helping me, you know, like, people are really respected. Honestly, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, totally.

2:42:19BubblemanJust reading the chat, I guess we haven't been paying too much attention to the chat, but there's a bunch of people still in there chatting away in the YouTube aspect, uh, People are talking about... What are they talking about? Passion for the Hashin, movie release tomorrow. That's with Nicky T and I guess some fire red beard guy or something. Where's Rob Clark? Well, Todd McCormick just asked me if Todd was coming in and I'm not sure...

2:42:47BubblemanWhat happened with that? I sent Rob the link earlier. Bong Ripty, 420k. I'm not sure about Steve Cubby. I've known Steve for quite a long time, but I had a weird experience with him the last time I interacted with him, and I just think that I'll probably be taking a Steve Cubby fast for the next little bit. But we'll definitely invite Rob Clark and a few other good folks in.

2:43:16BubblemanWhat is Jen's YouTube? Do you have a YouTube, Jen?

2:43:21SpeakerNo, but I will be setting one up soon.

2:43:24BubblemanI think it's a good idea for people that come in here regularly that you have yourself a YouTube channel. The traction you'll get here will be much bigger than any traction you'll see on Instagram or Facebook or Twitter or any of those social media sites even really combined. And I told that to Samantha earlier. She had an inspirational story. Johnny B I turned on. He's got himself a channel.

2:43:45BubblemanD420K's got a channel. I've told Horatio to get one. All of you guys that are doing these things, it's a good thing.

2:43:53SpeakerYeah, but my list of things to do is about this long right now. And so it's kind of like right about here. So I'll get that. I have an Instagram account.

2:44:04BubblemanI guess what I'm saying is the amount of time that you spend on Facebook posting, you'll touch a fractional amount of people with your information than if you just get a YouTube channel and build your traction from this platform, the platform of Hash Church. People are going to want to talk to you guys. Different things that you say are going to inspire them and they're going to want to get in touch with you.

2:44:24BubblemanI just think why not have yourself, if you can, that channel where they can reach you. YouTube is... is much bigger than a lot of people think. I worked for a YouTube monetization company for a few years, and when I found out that YouTube pulls in $14 billion a month, $14 billion a month they pull in on this channel, YouTube, every month for ad revenue, so it's...

2:44:51BubblemanIt's a pretty incredible thing. There's a lot of people that watch YouTube now almost the way they watch television and it's different from Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. I really see YouTube as being a key feature when you even hear Todd saying it's great what you're doing, it's great to have all this happening. It's really happening here on YouTube. This is where it's happening.

2:45:13SpeakerSo you want to know the truth? I'm just a little bit shy. Like I'm kind of using Hash Church to like There's moms in Utah that need to hear what you have to say because the situation you were going through

2:45:49BubblemanThere's tons of people still going through it and they don't have the strength to figure out a way out of it on their own. But if they were to say, you know, come across the Jen Doe Hendricks YouTube channel, all of a sudden they're like, well, have you seen this chick? She's super like on the ball, like intelligent and healthy and has healthy, smart daughters and has a successful life and is doing well.

2:46:10BubblemanAnd it's like she smokes weed. Lots of it.

2:46:13SpeakerHoly shit. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you a tip.

2:46:18BubblemanIt's the same thing with Samantha's story, and it's the same thing with Todd McCormick's story, and it's the same thing with Tony's story, John Burfellow's story. Everyone has these incredible stories. If you don't tell them, if you don't share them, then it's hard for people to be inspired by them.

2:46:33SpeakerYeah. All right, all right. I'm on it. You're on it. Hey, Mark. Yes. Yes. So tomorrow I'm driving to L.A. and you're really, this is the first way I'm going to say it, to go rent the L.A. Coliseum for a June THC Expo.

2:46:52BubblemanThe Coliseum?

2:46:55SpeakerYes, the Coliseum. Yes, the Coliseum. Because last time I filled up the L.A. Convention Center and... I think that the market's even bigger now. Honestly, I think my opportunity to bring together more people is greater than it was. For those of us, for those of you who were with me in 2009, thank you, but You know, it started off when I got out of prison, I had the opportunity to start throwing parties with Marijuana Policy Project at the Playboy Mansion.

2:47:28SpeakerAnd for those of you watching who don't know, Hugh Hefner financially founded NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, with Keith Stroh back in 1970. So it's really been a... Thank you for joining us.

2:47:56SpeakerAttorneys defended me, but I was thinking like we aren't Nike. We can't afford to go get Michael Jordan. So what we have to do is get people like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who used medical cannabis for his headaches to kind of come forward on their own and support us because we couldn't afford to pay them to. So I started throwing parties at the Playboy Mansion and actually went to MPP in 2008 and asked them if I could do a second party.

2:48:23SpeakerThis industry and trying to get everybody in the industry, people exactly like you, Mark, who was running a business and making money and professionalizing their message. And MPP said, no, we don't want to get in the business of throwing parties at the Playboy Mansion and we don't think the industry is important. So I went, okay, thanks, and I went and rented the L.A. Convention Center, and instead of having 1,000 people in Hefner's backyard, the fire marshals told me I had between 40,000 and 50,000 people in 98,000 square feet, and I was almost closed multiple times, but they said it as a compliment because they were so blown away that the cannabis industry was able to pull so many people down to the L.A. Convention Center for an industry that they thought didn't even exist.

2:49:11SpeakerAnd I don't think there's a better way we can make a point other than coming together and showing who we really are, how professional our products are, how sincere our message is, and really how passionate we are to see the world change for the better. And so now I'm trying to do this again on a grander scale because I really think that the European industry and the North American industry have a lot That they could share with one another because I mean even the technology we joke about, we learned in Holland.

2:49:41SpeakerI mean, you know, we joke the pollinator was incorrectly named but it was a revolutionary tumbler when I first experienced it and look where we are now with our hashish extraction. And I think that if we come together as a whole, the cannabis industry can evolve much faster. The Coliseum, brother. I think it's the next step. I think it's the only thing that's really big enough for what the point is we're trying to make.

2:50:10BubblemanYou're fish. You know, fish left Madison Square Garden this year and went down to Miami for a bigger venue. Ha ha!

2:50:18SpeakerWell, wait till you hear who's going to play, and I've got to chill on that, but a huge artist, I met him last year with the guys from Greenhouse, and he is coming out with a pro-cannabis song this year called Smokescreen. And I think you're going to see a lot more people coming out that are really not the people you would expect were stoners the whole time.

2:50:41SpeakerBut, you know, people like Hugh Hefner, stoner. He's been eating cookies since the beatniks turned him on to marijuana in the 50s. And that was a joke. Dude, his stealth move was eating cookies right under the noses of the guys there selling him or buying advertisements for their alcohol. You know, I think it's hilarious. You know, so many stealth stoners. And my message is that we're not the counterculture.

2:51:08SpeakerIf you like the Beatles, if you like the Stones, if you like Led Zeppelin or Oliver Stone movies or Steven Spielberg, these are fucking stoners. And the truth of the matter is if you took marijuana out of the culture, the culture would suck. You know? And if anybody here has ever sung along to the song Got to Get You Into My Life by Paul McCartney, they were singing a marijuana love song.

2:51:32SpeakerYou know? And I mean, we are the culture, and I think it's just time that we can come forward and say, stop oppressing us. We're who you admire. We're the artists. We're the creative people. We're the ones that write books. We're the ones doing the stuff that actually the rest of society gets inspired from. I agree 100%.

2:51:52BubblemanWhat do you have to say about that D420K?

2:52:01Todd MccormickThank you for this opportunity because I'm technically challenged. I don't really do computers or anything else. So instead of me having a YouTube channel, I'm just proud to be on yours, you know. I could never put that together. And you mentioned last night, hey, hit me back on Facebook. I've got a Tricom Technologies Facebook page, but I don't run it. I only get people relay messages. I do have the Tricom Technologies Instagram, and I personally run that, and I enjoy that a lot.

2:52:24Todd MccormickBut the Facebook thing, like I said, it doesn't have enough reach, and I kind of, I don't really run that one site. Sorry I didn't get back to you last night. I was on a plane from Denver to California or Denver to Phoenix to California so I couldn't get back to your message on Facebook.

2:52:39BubblemanNo problem. You know someone sent me a link yesterday about your page on Facebook and they sent me a link saying they were like you have massive pull with your Facebook page and I was like what are you talking about and then they sent me some like metric or analytic from your page and And it showed that I had like raised the people that looked at your page by 1,015%.

2:53:00BubblemanAnd there was like a bunch of hundreds of new likes. Here, I'll have to unmute you because I got you muted. But yeah, because I posted that you might come in. So I bet we could get you some exposure on that page with a little bit of help from our friends.

2:53:14Todd MccormickThat's epic. Thank you very much, Mark. I don't know where they come from. I just like when they do because it's fascinating to me to be able to push a button and disseminate information very, very rapidly. So any help you give me and have given me, I thank you very much.

2:53:28BubblemanWell, this is what blew me away about YouTube, Kay. When I went into my analytics and I started looking and I was like, I wonder where people are watching me. And so it's a lot of America and some Canada and some Europe and then there's all these other countries where, Just a few people have watched, and I go through the list, and it's 208 countries.

2:53:46Todd MccormickWow, that's incredible. That is really incredible. I mean, you see them pop up for money. You wonder where they find this stuff out. I mean, you know, you get someone from the UAE or someone in Saudi Arabia or something. It's like, where do they even hear about the Bubble Man? It's just incredible. I'm telling you. Like Bhutan, China, Nepal. Yeah. And I got to say probably my best reply on Instagram was a, obviously a person in high school said that they can't wait to finish high school so they can go to school for botany.

2:54:18Todd MccormickAnd I was like, yes, that is the coolest, coolest response I ever got. You know, so I inspired some youngster to go to college instead of fuck off. I'm stoked.

2:54:28BubblemanMore than one for sure. And when you really look back when we're all old and kids are going to have such an incredible advantage because they're going to be able to go and study these things.

2:54:39Todd MccormickOnly if we provide that information to them, you know, and that's kind of the fun thing about you, me, Tony, everything else. I mean, it's the next generation. We're going to stand back and marvel at what they do with what we've done. I believe it. Sharing is sharing.

2:54:59SpeakerI said sharing is sharing.

2:55:03Todd MccormickBig up, big up. But yeah, so, you know. Yes, I agree about the social media. It's incredible that you've created something where people from all over the world can now get hyper-educated and talk to really good people like Todd or the doctor. You know, consumers like this young lady here, I mean, that's incredible. I mean, for her to be on your show and someone to chime in and say, hey, I got something for you, I'd like to help you out, that's a beautiful fucking thing.

2:55:28Todd MccormickI mean, what a wonderful community it is.

2:55:30BubblemanI mean, really, if it didn't go past just that, which we know it's going to, that was just the epicoddle and the caudalodon coming out of the seed, but still, that in itself is amazing. She's going to get help for today.

2:55:44Todd MccormickAnd it's incredible, like Todd said, that we've got notable, notoriety individuals that are able to come out of the shadows now. It's not something to be ashamed of. I mean, you know, we've And people like Todd have set the framework for people. It's become socially acceptable at this point. You know, it's really a fascinating thing.

2:56:05BubblemanIt is quite something. And you know, although Rob didn't make it today, we know that he's blowing smoke towards the Vatican as he does on every Sunday for the last 20 plus years. Oh, and I want to welcome my good friend Maurice, who just came in from Kingston, Jamaica.

2:56:20SpeakerWelcome.

2:56:28BubblemanI just got you muted real quick until you mute your YouTube video Maurice. Now Maurice, I'll give you a quick background on Maurice. Maurice kept, I don't even know who introduced us, but he came to the, I guess it was at the Ganja Conference that SRC put on. I might have even met him before that. But he seemed to know a lot of similar people, and he would bring well-known growers to meet me that are known in Jamaica as really well-known growers.

2:56:54BubblemanAnd to try and put it into perspective, you can buy a pound of herb in Jamaica for $5 or $10, or from these guys you can pay $10 for a gram. So these guys actually grow the uber-duber bomb in Jamaica. And he's introduced me to a few of them. And often when he would introduce me to them, we would already know each other. Wouldn't we, Maurice? Just telling a little story about some of the people that you introduced to me and Tony this last trip to Kingston.

2:57:26BubblemanSome great growers in Jamaica. Not only outdoor growers, but indoor growers, if you can imagine. And very, very good indoor growers. So welcome from Kingston, Jamaica, Maurice.

2:57:43BubblemanYou got your mic muted? Let me see if I can unmute you so you can say hi.

2:57:50BubblemanI found a herb in Jamaica for $5 or $10.

2:57:55SpeakerOr from these guys you can pay $10 for a gram. So these guys actually grow the

2:58:01BubblemanI'm going to mute you until you mute that. You mute your YouTube channel because we're coming. You're now in two chats. You're in the YouTube chat and the Google Plus chat. So there we are. I think it's time for me to take a bong rip. Now you got it, Maurice. Now you got it. Can I unmute you and see if you've turned that off by now? Outdoor growers, but indoor growers, if you can imagine.

2:58:26BubblemanCan you hear me, Maurice? Very, very good indoor growers.

2:58:29SpeakerSo welcome from Kingston, Georgia.

2:58:32BubblemanYou need to mute the YouTube video. I'm playing in the YouTube chat, so mute it. Turn the audio off. It's coming through your speakers on a delay, and then when you unmute your speaker in here, you'll be able to talk to the peeps. Tell us a little bit about what's going on in Jamaica.

2:58:55SpeakerI'm going to mute you until you mute that. You mute your YouTube channel because we're coming... All right, we're going to get back to Maurice when he figures that out.

2:59:05BubblemanWe'll get back to him. Damn computers. YouTube. The YouTube chat. That's where the video is playing. I'd even close it. Just close the YouTube chat completely and leave just... Yeah, you guys can hear me now?

2:59:20SpeakerPerfect.

2:59:22BubblemanYes, man.

2:59:25SpeakerI can't hear anything.

2:59:27BubblemanOh, I can hear you. Yep, yep, you're good. We can hear you. But you can't hear us, so you need to unmute your speakers.

2:59:39SpeakerIt's not muted.

2:59:43SpeakerCan't hear anything. But can you guys hear me? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I can hear you. Oh.

2:59:55SpeakerWell, I muted the YouTube chat, but if you guys can hear me, well, you know, Mark and I and Tony met at the SRC conference that was held in Kingston at the Pegasus Hotel. And, you know, I was listening to Tony and Mark talk and, you know, these guys really knew everything and it blew me out of the water, right? So I really had to, you know, get some of the best guys in to introduce them to.

3:00:34SpeakerSo first I called up Archie, you know, because Archie is like one of the best, best growers in Kingston. So I brought him in and we went up to the hotel room and it turned out that Bobby Man knew Archie like, You know, way back when, and I was like, what? And then, you know, I was like talking about, you know, Ching Kwee and some other guys, Gideon and those guys, and Bubbleman was like, yeah, I know those guys too.

3:01:08SpeakerI was like, what? So, you know, I brought in Ching Kwee, and it was like, you know, it was like, you know, instant chemistry. You know, I brought in another friend of mine from Mobile. He does Some good indoor stuff. He has a lot of popular brands, you know, like OG Kush and Amchoke and all that jazz, right? So, you know, these guys here, they really want to start growing stuff to make hash, good hash, right?

3:01:46SpeakerAnd I believe with Tony and Mark, you know, coming in, we should be able to do Thank you. Thank you.

3:02:22SpeakerWe're looking to be, you know, the first company that would be able to produce and export, you know, ganja and ganja-related products for medicinal and research purposes. You know, so, you know, that's it in a nutshell.

3:02:42BubblemanAwesome, dude. Well, thanks for sharing. I know you can't hear me, but... Hang on, I'm not hearing you. I know. Maybe someone can write in the chat to...

3:02:56SpeakerI'm going to go back to the chat.

3:03:00BubblemanI'll mute you for now. So yeah, Maurice is an interesting fellow, introduced us to some great folks while we were in Jamaica, and we'll definitely be seeing him again. He told me recently about another conference happening in Jamaica at the end of the month, so I'm hoping on being out there with United Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research and Development, our Jamaica company, CRD. Always looking forward to getting back to Jamaica.

3:03:27BubblemanI'll hit a bong rip with you, D. A bong rip. Hey, where's your camera?

3:03:37BubblemanAll right. What shall we hit? I've got a...

3:03:43BubblemanI've got something I'm going to hit here. I do not know what. Something melty and wonderful. So what do you guys think about the other cannabinoids? You know, the other cannabinoids, like the other 78 or more cannabinoids? We talk a lot about CBD. We talk a lot about THC. And personally, a lot of the people I know talk a lot about their acetate versions as well, which is THCA and CBDA.

3:04:08BubblemanA little bit about CBN, and of course you've got to know about CBG because that's the one that sort of produces all the cannabinoids. But there are so many other ones. Even while we were in Jamaica the last time, I believe it was Hawthorne Watson, I believe from the Scientific Review Council, who said in 1967 he isolated a cannabinoid and named it CBT.

3:04:30SpeakerWow, Todd just must have got a wicked rip.

3:04:35BubblemanI look over and Todd's having like literally a small seizure.

3:04:44BubblemanOh, fuck. Love ya, buddy.

3:04:47SpeakerWell, I have a question for Rob if he came in, because he's, I mean, maybe Todd knows some about this as well, but it was a panel on testing, and in testing, and they were talking about rare cannabinoids that are starting to show up or show up more often in a particular group, and CBDV, which is... It seemed to be super for convulsions they were talking about and it being really, really rare, but some of the CBD people who are beving for that purpose are now that marker starting to show up where they're getting, you know, half a percent to one percent CBDV and which THCV already means pain holy grail.

3:05:32SpeakerI wanted to know if anybody else from... Has anybody heard about that? Tony, have you come across that in any of your testing of your CBD strains? Has CBDV shown up in randomness? And have you held on to any of that genetics?

3:05:54SpeakerI think he was saying CBDV as in victory, right? Yeah, CBDV. So, I can speak to CP. Can you guys hear me without Nick back there? No. You there? Mark?

3:06:15BubblemanI have to put Tony. Yeah, yeah, Tony was just talking, but go ahead and he'll come in right behind you. He's taking a rip anyway. Okay.

3:06:22SpeakerWell, THCV, CBDV, these other cannabinoids are just a shorter chain. THCV is a three-carbon chain instead of a five-carbon chain of THC. This is a really weird little thing. Back in the 90s when the government was prosecuting me, they sent my urine to Muhammad Asoli, and as funny as it is, Mark, He tested my urine for THCV because I was supposedly only using Marinol. So if THCV was in my system, it was indicative that I was using cannabis.

3:06:54SpeakerAnd I walk into the courtroom and I see Muhammad Asoli who knew me from ICRS meetings and I walk up to him and he says, wow, Todd, are you here covering this? I looked at him and I said, Musa, I'm the defendant.

3:07:10MikeAnd he was like, oh, I might have a conflict of interest.

3:07:13SpeakerAnd I was like, they sent you my urine? And he says, yeah, to look for THCV. And this was in 1998. And the problem with, not the problem with his test is that according to the government's own research, THCV isn't even in all strains. So John Morgan, if you remember him from Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts, he actually was my, Forensic toxicologist against the government, because John's great, and he was there to point out that according to the government's own data, THCV isn't even in all these different strains.

3:07:44SpeakerAnd now when we start talking about all these subtle different cannabinoids, there's so much discovery that's going to take place that it's astounding. And I have a hard time with people that are trying to solely say that something works for something else because humans are so diverse. An example would be aspirin. I could have a headache, and you could have a headache, and you could take an aspirin.

3:08:10SpeakerI could take an aspirin. One headache would go away. One wouldn't. It wouldn't mean either that it worked or it didn't. It meant that humans are different when it comes to our biochemistry. I think that really when we're talking about cannabinoids, it's all about what we don't know in this To me, in my opinion of where we're at right now, because this is all about discovery, and it's all about where we're going with this information, and not necessarily trying to frame things and say this is black and white, because I really think that there's a lot more going on with all of these different cannabinoids, especially in what Lester Grinspoon calls The ensemble effect.

3:08:51SpeakerAnd it's interesting because he takes, Dr. Lester Grinspoon takes umbrage at the ones that call it an entourage effect because entourage is just a group of people around a famous person. It's its only definition. But an ensemble, Dr. Grinspoon explains... It's like an orchestra, and together you have tubas and cellos and the horn sections, and they make a beautiful symphony, but alone a tuba does not make a symphony, and it's this ensemble effect that the cannabinoids do that really is where the magic, if you will, or the medicine or the therapeutic content really lies, because as we saw with Marinol in the 80s, We had a single analog THC, which was Marinol, which was Dranominol, a synthetic version of THC suspended in sesame oil and encapsulated in a gelatin cap.

3:09:42SpeakerIt never took off on market value. There's never been a generic equivalent of Marinol made. One would argue we didn't need it because we have marijuana, but realiztically, single molecules aren't really Where it's at, I think that it's that ensemble effect that we really should be looking at and that's a much difficult, more difficult Thank you so much for joining us.

3:10:30SpeakerThat are really bringing us this full on effect. So I'm encouraging people to look at this as a whole and not singularly because science does that and they will do that and they failed at that and really it's us coming together with these beautiful Thank you for watching.

3:11:04SpeakerYou would really not like it that much. It wouldn't be a pizza. It wouldn't have the sauce. It wouldn't have the dough. It wouldn't have the spices that made it special. So you really don't want 92% cheese on your pizza. You really want more cannabinoids on your plate. So now these lower profile percentages of THC really means there's more room on the plate for more terpenes, flavonoids, and other cannabinoids so that we can have a greater effect of them.

3:11:33BubblemanListen, when I went to Jamaica with Sam and Rob Clark back in 03, we spent about a month there in Negril, rented a nice house on the cliffs. And one of the things that Sam was really like going into was that very concept that you just mentioned. Getting lost here in my thoughts. One second, I'm getting a message.

3:11:59SpeakerWhere was I going with that? Where was I going with that? Thank you for watching.

3:12:21BubblemanAnd back then, when I made some beautiful water hash, and this is back in the early 2000s when Skunk Man Sam wouldn't even consider smoking anyone else's product. His shit was so good, it was just greenhouse grown to perfection, like isolated, mechanically separated, like literally, it blew people away. He knocked people out with it everywhere he went. And I'll tell you, really, he knocked people out with it.

3:12:46BubblemanPeople weren't ready for it. When we made some stuff in Jamaica and I showed it to him and he was kind of like, whoa, that's pretty impressive actually. This was sun-grown Orange Hill, Westmoreland, like bomb herb. And I don't think he really thought that it was going to be like that. And when we made it and I asked him like, well, what do you think? You know, the guy's seen thousands of GC analysis on THC percentages.

3:13:10BubblemanHe can literally pick out his own terpene spikes from his skunk number one that he bred and others. And so he's got a wide vast of knowledge and he looks at it and he says, honestly, it's probably between 60 and 70% THC, which to me at the time was like, holy shit, like 70%. And that's when he went into the conversation and the topic that, you know, for him, He was fine with 60%.

3:13:35BubblemanHe found often when he got into the 7% range that certain things were lowered in the profile that affected the strength and the potency of the hit, the way it affected him, and he just preferred a 60%. He said this years before. Thank you for joining us.

3:14:16Todd MccormickIt was interesting in that in 1996 when Proposition 215 passed, I ended up sending through Normal, through Dale Geringer, California Normal, sending samples to a laboratory in Sacramento, California called Drug Detection Laboratories, and they had acquired their standards from University of Mississippi, Muhammad Al-Soli, and they took, I think, 20 samples I sent them and tested them. The numbers came out very unusual, like 27.2 and things, and Very, very high.

3:14:46Todd MccormickSo we kind of questioned those figures. So because it was such a gray area in the law at the time, we didn't know if marijuana was legal. So those samples actually got sent back to the university. So I was the first private individual to have things even tested. So that gave me at least pieces of paper to reflect on and form my opinions and basis from a very, very long time ago and You know, very quickly I realized that pure THC does not taste good and does not have the effect that you really want it to.

3:15:16Todd MccormickAnd then if you start fractionating the CBDs, THC-Bs, this, that, and the other thing, it just made sense that, you know, I'd much prefer a 60% THC than an 80% THC because, as Todd said, it allows for so much more of a total composition, for so much more flavor, smell, the actual compositions and connoisseur aspects that we're really looking for. Pure THC is... Just clinical, very boring, very flat.

3:15:41BubblemanI think as well the 60% THC level really sort of suggests a deeper understanding of these profiles. People that are more attuned to wanting something between a 50 and a 70% range rather than being like, I need something in the 80. And then keep in mind too, I don't even know how long people were using terrible plates as standards for their testing. So the plates they were using were like, They were like terrible versions of like maybe, you know what I mean?

3:16:11BubblemanLike they were not the same ones that Horta Farm was using in Amsterdam, that's for sure, with Dr. David Pate there. David Pate? Is it Dave Pate?

3:16:19Todd MccormickYeah, Dave Pate did most of the research and things like that. And yeah, I have to agree with you. And that's what was interesting is there was no other labs at that point. You know, I mean, I sent it to Soli who did the standards, who created the only standard at that point. So that gave me my benchmark. I mean, You know, from there, right now you can send, you know, they don't use the same standards.

3:16:42Todd MccormickYou can send 10 different samples to 10 different labs and get 10 different results back, you know. And that really does nothing for us except give us a baseline, you know. Yep. Yep.

3:16:55BubblemanI bet you Tony wants to say something on that. I see his hand up. There we go, Tony.

3:17:00SpeakerYeah, to bring it back a little bit, when he was talking about people trying to test everything, In my research, it's just like chasing the wind right now. No offense to any labs in Colorado or California. I think they're doing a better job each year progressing towards getting us better results and answers. But if you look into like an NMR machine, which is a cross between a mass spec and an MRI machine, it will break down every component down to the billionth, 16 billionths, you know, This is extremely expensive gear that's accessible to universities now that weren't there back when you were trying to get that done.

3:17:48SpeakerAnd so that's the shame in our country, in the U.S., that they won't allow us to use the equipment and the gear that we have to seek out into other countries and such. But if you were able to have the right gear, and the labs were able to test for THCV. I did want to bring it back to Horatio's question about THCV. This is a good source.

3:18:17SpeakerThis book right here.

3:18:21SpeakerAnd if you turn to page 220. It's the Hash Church book. Nice. Page 220. If you turn to page 220, you will see that these The people that we were talking about, like Robert Clark and Dave Watson, they spent many, many, many years traveling and growing in different countries and meeting with different resident farmers and people with pipes and just culture and all kinds of stuff. Well, they set a foundation, and you can kind of see a foundation in this book, and there's a reference in here all the way back to 1980.

3:19:06SpeakerSo imagine if we were able to conduct and use the equipment that's in these universities or in these private, in the sectors that we can access and be able to redo this. But this talks about Afghanistan, Burma, Colombia, India, Ghana, Jamaica, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Morocco, Nepal, Nigeria, Pakistan, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, and it gives you THC, CBD, The ratio content in the THC be found in the marijuana and in the hash, which is very important, because then you have two lines of data there.

3:19:45SpeakerIn Burma, there's only marijuana, but let's just use our friends in Jamaica as an example, what they would have for THC B. So THC CBD percent would be very high, and THC CBD may be almost absent. Low THC B. THC is low and THCV would be bigger than the CBG percent and CBC percent. Now this is in 1985 before also other types of genetics entered the island and changed that type of gene pool of plants.

3:20:25SpeakerBut like in Afghanistan you would see THC and CBD two to one and they're hashed in their Cannabis had a high THCV. So what this tells you is that the types of land races and environmental conditions and certain sun cycles and certain sun distances and intensities and these particular environmental conditions along with those genetical land races and traits that develop in those areas over long periods of time produce those variables.

3:21:00SpeakerSo this is the kind of work that

3:21:05SpeakerI think this is also some of the type of work that needs to be explored because it all comes down to the resin. We can talk about extracts and transdermals and hash, but it really comes down to the genetic profile that you start with, the environment in which it grows in, and the desired need and what you're looking for with it. You know, I just want to point out that as much as I love Rob's book and I have it in front of me, The citation goes back to Turner in 73, which is University of Mississippi, which means all that's very suspect, in all honesty, as much as we, like you said, don't trust the labs in Cali, Colorado, and many other places, because you could take the same sample over and over.

3:21:50SpeakerThat's what we were dealing with back then, too. So now, what do you guys think of peak

3:22:02SpeakerDr. What do you think of that? Do you think these cannabinoids peak and go down? Because what I'm basically putting forward is that instead of these snapshot photos of tests of plants dead and dry, what we really need is tests done every single day during a flowering cycle so we can actually map a carbolic acid profile curve If there is one in certain plants, because I think different strains are going to do different things anyway.

3:22:31SpeakerSo even if we did this with one strain, it wouldn't be what cannabis does. It would be what that strain does. But I really, I feel that now that we're doing so much more harvesting of terpenes and cannabinoids and the oils, that harvesting at peak, what was once peak and, you know, Thank you for joining us.

3:23:14SpeakerI agree 100% with what he's saying. Everything that I've done since we were able to do greenhouses and full plant extractions was utilize the plant. You've seen the chart. It's raw, heated, and aged. So I stayed all the way on the raw side, utilizing the plant at that stage. So that's where there's raws coming from their leaves. And then taking the whole plant, and nothing that we do with our lines is with All the aged plants, it's all taken immediately and sealed and flash frozen and preserved at critical temperatures.

3:23:52SpeakerAnd so I believe in there's a process to aging terpenes while they're on the plant and allowing water to evaporate during the cure. But I also believe on the medicinal side as well, and that's for invading or smoking, that's important. But on the medicinal side, I believe in trying to capture more of the raw spectrum. This would be like sprouting in life and raw foods in our world of cannabis, you know?

3:24:26Todd MccormickWell, I mean, you know, first of all, we're talking about concentrates here. Let's get back to the basics. We're talking about what comes from the plant. We still don't really know the real botanical aspects of how to produce cannabis properly. Very few people do plant sap analysis, water analysis, ash analysis to figure out exactly what this plant wants, when it wants it. And what we're going to be doing in the future is we're going to be growing plants for accentuated levels of a particular chemical, be it for beneficial or be it for financial, whatever Thank you so much for joining us.

3:25:16Todd MccormickWe know so little about the actual production of the plant at this point. It's the most studied plant, but the most understudied plant. I mean, we don't know exactly what it wants, when it wants it. We're a complete unregulated industry. Snake Oil Salesman selling you little bottles of stuff that says that it'll double your yield and all this other stuff. I mean, we just don't know about the actual cultivation aspects.

3:25:40Todd MccormickBut, you know, we're talking about isolates and chemicals and stuff. And I agree with Tony, the nuclear magnetic resonance will give us a little bit more information as we get access to these pieces of equipment. But, I mean, I see in the future where, you know, hectares and hectares and hectares of materials Four-foot marijuana plants are produced in fields, and their only purpose is certain compositions, certain compounds, chemicals, if you will, and that a harvester goes and harvests those and takes them to a factory, they strip all the, they separate the cannabinoids from the terpenoids, they fraction it however the manufacturer wants it, and it goes to make those pharmaceutical products that the good doctor was talking about.

3:26:21Todd MccormickSo, I mean, that's where I really strategically see the industry going, but We're still in our infancy. We know so little about the extract, but I still say we still know very little about the botanical aspects. I've seen plants produce three times what they normally would, only one time. I got to suspect that plant got exactly what it wanted when it wanted it. Now, how do we do that?

3:26:44Todd MccormickHow do we replicate that? It's very difficult. I mean, we're still in the speculative side. We've never really had a clinical setting. You know, GW Pharmaceuticals has a magnificent garden that was set up by Dave Watson and Robert Clark. But other than that setting, I've never seen a really, really just incredible production facility that had, and what I mean, replicable results from each and every harvest. You know, there was no diversity.

3:27:09Todd MccormickThere was nothing. So you could really get 30 harvests. And, you know, I've seen labs like Halent, Steep Hill, and they're there with Kim Ron De Sears and Dr. Donald Land. They're doing terpene profiles, if you will. Like, so, for instance, if you were to bring in a sour diesel and say, hey, I've got the sour diesel, they would throw it up against every 3,000 samples of sour diesel.

3:27:34Todd MccormickAnd they would tell you, no, no, no, no, that terpene profile does not fit what you're saying it is. That's more akin to a blue dream or something like that. So, you know, between the genetic mapping that will come in the future as well as the terpene diversity and trying to get that all figured out, you know, from strain to strain to strain. I mean, you know, we're still in an industry where, you know, genetics are being passed around willy-nilly and things like that.

3:28:00Todd MccormickSo, you know. I completely agree with Todd that in the future it's all about chemicals and their composition.

3:28:09BubblemanYeah, well I was touching a little bit about that. Oh, sorry to cut you off, Todd. Go ahead.

3:28:13SpeakerYou know, back in 1994, the Federation of American Scientists took a position paper That if anyone's watching, it would be really cool for them to find it online. It's called Whole Raw Cannabis. And really, when I think of that now, just that term, Whole Raw Cannabis, it was put forward because Carl Sagan's wife at the time, Ann Doreen, who is a board member of National Normal, is also a member of the Federation of American Scientists.

3:28:41SpeakerAnd it was her, after Carl passed away, pushing this towards them because she was trying to get the Federation of American Scientists to take a lead in this because she felt like it was the new science when it came to biodiversity in medicine. And here we are two decades later, and yeah, it was November 1994, released in Washington, D.C. I wonder if it's still online.

3:29:05Todd MccormickI don't know, but I'd like to recommend an out-of-print book. It's by a gentleman that was part of Hortifarm. And GW Pharmaceuticals named ATN DeMoura, and his book is called Diversities in Cannabis. Unfortunately, it's out of print, but you can find them, you know, by searching, you know, used books and stuff like that. It's a very thin book, but I can't even tell you how much information is in there.

3:29:29Todd MccormickIt's really, really incredible. That book is way ahead of its time. So anybody that cares to get a really, really heady book, Diversities in Cannabis by ATN DeMoura.

3:29:39BubblemanThe price of that book just went up. I just touch upon in regards to the terpenes and in regards to what Kay was saying about how we're going to be feeding plants specific things and how right now we're in the prohibition market. They've got us off the resin itself and they've got us on the vegetative yield and the flowering periods. How much can I get and how fast can I get it?

3:30:03BubblemanIt's that prohibition model. And I'm looking more at like how do we produce like a healthier, happier trichome head. And from the minimal science that I know about, you know, we know that these are organelles in the disc cell, plastids and vacuoles. They're two separate sacs. One creates phenols, that's the vacuoles, and the plastids creates terpenes. And then from the disc cell, they push those up into the secretory cavity.

3:30:30BubblemanAnd that's where cooked cannabinoids get sort of cooked into existence through UVB rays and all these other things that we don't even understand completely. But imagine if we were able to feed the plant that thing that it needs in order to produce the healthiest plastids and the healthiest vacuoles. So the original things that produce the cannabinoid profile that we love so much, those terpenes and those phenols, They're in abundance of the nutrients or of the molecules or of whatever it is they need, it's there for them.

3:31:03BubblemanHow's that for a thought, hey? Oh, Tony's got his hand up.

3:31:06SpeakerYeah, I agree with Kay and you in the fact that coming out of a prohibition model, as well as Colorado, most people when they tour our facility or tour places, they don't realize we were actually all first in a basement in 2009. There were no really any centers. And so it's an evolution of the basement into semi-commercial and commercial size into greenhouses. And that's why sometimes I'm more excited to start in new territories for new states that are just getting licensed because you get to start from scratch.

3:31:46SpeakerAnd the key is like what you both said. It's trying to figure out the science behind the strings that you're using. What you're using them for and then trying to really analyze them and cross that with results or responses of what you're trying to get out of it. And we're probably at like, I don't know, one or two percent of where this is all probably going. I think we're really barely starting to crawl and once we do get fully out of the prohibition model and to let people study this on all levels, And I think we'll start to see, like, huge leaps in what this moment actually does for humanity.

3:32:34BubblemanThanks for sharing, Tony. I've got to be on it with the microphone. All right. Anyone else have anything they want to say on these matters? It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon.

3:32:45SpeakerI just had one question for Kenny before, just in case we lose him. And it was my question about the alcohol portion. And has he looked into the terpenes that are alcohol? Because that's the one that people don't factor in. They're like, I know what nonpolar is doing. For the most part, they don't mix with water. And I know what the water solubles do. But most people don't factor in what the alcohol polar compound will do to the wax.

3:33:13SpeakerAnd how they interact, the polar versus the non-polar. The alcohols seem to be really powerful on their own, even when I isolate them in water. There's way more bite, there's way more kick. Have you tried anything or have any knowledge about those? I know from Mimineen how many non... Thank you for watching.

3:33:53Todd MccormickSo, I mean, they're alcohol-based and they're oil-based. They're both. I mean, some of the fractions that we're getting are separated into three different parts. I mean, I just put together a vapor pen for an internet show that they're putting together and literally put the monos and sesquiterpenes together with a pure CBD fraction. And it's interesting that they separate it into three different compositions. They would not mix.

3:34:19Todd MccormickThey'll never mix. But with a slight shake, they do. So... That was, you know, I entered some of the pure terpenes in a competition, but I had to go back to the lab that created those tests and ask them if the five alcohols, hypothesized five alcohols that make up some of these terpenes would set up a false residual test, meaning that I would be disqualified because I had alcohol in my sample when I didn't have alcohol.

3:34:47Todd MccormickIt was actually a natural composition. So there's oil composition and there's alcohol compositions. I mean, there's hypothetically five different alcohols in that terpene fraction.

3:35:02Todd MccormickVery interesting.

3:35:03SpeakerGood answer. Kate?

3:35:05Todd MccormickNuclear magnetic resonance will tell me exactly what's in it, but, you know... As Tony said, getting access to some of these pieces of equipment is slowly becoming easier, but it's not that easy. But I do have an appointment with the nuclear magnetic resonance, but I've got two different compounds Even then, they've never done this before, so I'm going to go into a company and have them run two different separate fractions, but then I've got to pay them to try to interpret that information back to me.

3:35:34Todd MccormickAre they going to give me 100% quantitative analysis? At the end, I gave them a gram. Are they going to tell me exactly 100%? Every fraction.

3:35:43Todd MccormickThank you so much for joining us today.

3:36:13SpeakerLike the sulfur-based compounds that evaporate at like 65 degrees, not causing the smell in cannabis. So one thing that brings me back to kind of that whole crystallization thing is, you know, I feel like it's those acids in the plants and whatever, but could it also be that, you know, these are the terpenes that are escaping and that like some people are actually confusing moisture content for, Terpene content, you know, because to someone that's not thinking to that extent, they may be thinking, oh, this is moisture, when really it's not.

3:36:54SpeakerIt's those terpenes that are going to escape. So, you know, I just kind of wanted to see if anybody else had opinions on that, because I'm not a chemist, but I'm pretty smart, and I'm just seeing different correlations in different things, and I'd really like a little more information on that.

3:37:12Todd MccormickOh, I'll unmute you. There you go, Kay. Let's see, one thing I'm kind of interested in, and maybe Tony can get to this, is It's interesting that, you know, I come from the West Coast and, you know, never really more than 20 miles from the ocean. So the drying and curing techniques that we have here versus Arizona versus high altitude in Colorado, I notice the composition of the final product being different.

3:37:36Todd MccormickWhen I go to Colorado, I notice most of the marijuana is very brittle, very dry. It definitely has a different characteristic and flavor to it as opposed to something that was You know, dried and cured in a different environment. So, you know, I'm kind of fascinated by that myself. You know, if I was to dry and cure in Colorado, I would create something akin to a humidor, something that gave and take both a dehumidifier and a humidifier, just so it didn't dry too fast.

3:38:08Todd MccormickI don't know. I find that if you, you know, definitely... With moisture is going to go, if you smell cannabis, you're losing turkeys, bottom line, whether it's growing or drying or anything else. You don't want to over dry it, lock in anything, you know, so there's a chemical process that takes place. But yeah, if you're over, you know, whether, even if it's freeze drying, you're going to lose the turkeys.

3:38:36SpeakerYeah, because a lot of, a lot of, I see that people are like, well, this doesn't wax up. It's like, well, that's cool, but it doesn't really smell much either, and it doesn't really taste as good either. You know? So there comes a certain point where it's like, where are you losing moisture, and where are you losing all of those terpenes that are creating this consistency and this amazing flavor and smell, and where's that line between the moisture and The actual terpenes, you know, and honestly, like, we can debate this issue until we're blue in the face, but until all of this research that you're speaking of is actually done on the terpenes and evaporation and, you know, like, some of them are going to evaporate at a faster pace than others, like, and then does that change the chemical composition of your hash and is that what's causing this?

3:39:32SpeakerYou know, until all of this research is actually done, like, it's all just speculation. And intelligent conversation. I mean, it's really nice. I've got some terpenes right here.

3:39:44BubblemanI had a good conversation with Rob in Amsterdam about this very thing in regards to why some well-cured hashes can have this incredible smooth taste but still have a really nice smell that is a strong smell that wasn't there when it was fresh because the terpenes that were blocking those terpenes They weren't as strong, but they were holding those terpenes back, and in their validity, as they lost through their volatility, evaporated out, they unveiled these other terpenes that come out and smell so strong.

3:40:17BubblemanWhat Jen's really talking about, Kay, is she's talking about this process of the hash no longer being like the way we think of hash as it should be, which is like should be hard at room temperature but soft and pliable to play with and melt into a liquid. But some of these hashes, what we're finding, it's very similar to hash that hasn't been dried well where it just butters out.

3:40:41BubblemanAnd now I would have never thought in the water hash world that that was the case. I was more like, oh, if it's buttering out, it's wet. Thank you for watching.

3:41:12BubblemanThe majority of the times, I mean I've bumped into these people who are just like if they see hash that looks wet, they're going to argue until they're blue in the face that it's wet because they have not yet learned that you can actually have bone dry dry sift that has never been exposed to water and never be exposed to water and still produce the white out effect.

3:41:38BubblemanSorry, Jen, I'll let you talk there. I just wanted to finish that last sentence. There you go.

3:41:44SpeakerI was just saying it goes back to what David Allen was saying the other week about that amygdala response where you see something and you automatically just assume that's what it is without opening your mind to the different possibilities.

3:41:57BubblemanYeah, it's like all I know is most everything I know right now could potentially be wrong and I'm pretty open to that. I'm not really like, Hash Church isn't about like proving yourself right or wrong. It's about us discussing things and learning and sharing and that's kind of why I find it a bit of a breath of fresh air from the sort of Facebook mentality where it's just there's teams and there's this team and there's that team and everyone's just going to, This team's person's going to cut down the people over here, and then these people are going to be like, why are you attacking me, bro?

3:42:25BubblemanLike, I'm just trying to... No, no, your shit is... So it's like, hash church, we can alleviate that by controlling who we allow to come in and make sure that the conversation stays on point. So, yeah. I think that's a good topic to cover.

3:42:40SpeakerAnother thing I'd like to bring up, because one of the things that kind of, like, stuck out to me, which is why I made such a big deal out of this issue, is that You know, with the crystallization effect, it reminds me a lot of sugar and candy making. When I was younger, I learned how to make fine chocolates and fudge and different consistencies of candy that these fine candy makers have these different processes that they use.

3:43:09SpeakerWell, if you get even the smallest amount of sugar into your fudge that you're making, If you scrape the side of the pan, there is sugar that is crystallizing as it's cooking on the sides. Well, if a single, single tiny piece of that gets in your fudge, your fudge will absolutely crystallize. And that's where you get this fudge that has that grainy, that sugary consistency. Or you can get this fudge that has that just cream melt in your mouth, like amazing, soft, silky.

3:43:44SpeakerAnd so... But it's this whole transformation that happens and all it takes is one very small variation in order for that to happen. Well, it kind of seems like Hash is, you know, reacting the same way in that matter. So, I'm curious if anybody has...

3:44:05Todd MccormickYou know, Mark, what's fascinating, we started the show off talking about that 60 Minutes interview, and 20 years later, how fascinating it was, what was going on then and what's going on now. I suspect in 20 years, we're all going to be looking back at this going, oh my God, look at that. We know so little. We've already talked about, we don't know anything about cultivation. We don't know anything about the concentration, the effects, or anything else.

3:44:29Todd MccormickI mean, we're in our infancy, and that's kind of the beauty is there's so much to learn.

3:44:35SpeakerYeah, I've been doing a lot of research, especially in the last couple days. One thing that I found, which, like I said, I don't know science very well. I have the Someone said it earlier, I have like the knowledge, but I don't have the words to put it into. So, you know, if anybody has opinions on this stuff, I would love to hear it. I'm not saying I'm right or I've figured it out.

3:45:01SpeakerIt's just stuff I like to put out there because I'm not sure how it fits in. But somebody out there might. So one of the other things I looked up is glycine, not glycerin, glycine, G-L-Y-C-I-N-E. It's actually... It is one of the amino acids. It's one of the 20 amino acids that's commonly found in proteins. And it's the smallest. And what it is, it's colorless, it's sweet tasting, and it's a crystalline solid.

3:45:33SpeakerIt's able to fit into the hydrophobic as well as hydrophobic atmospheres because of, let's see, the chain only has one hydrogen atom. So, I mean, when I read that, I'm thinking, okay, so as these different terpenes are possibly evaporating off, like, could this amino acid have something to do with that? Like, is it bonding in a certain way that it's attaching its crystalline substance to this? Like, does anybody know if glycine is even one of the amino acids in cannabis?

3:46:06SpeakerBecause from what I read, it's pretty much in all of plant life, but... You know, just different things like this. Like, I'm really excited for the science to come out on it because there's so many possibilities. So, I mean, if anybody has any information or opinions on that, I'm open to everything. I just would love to see us, you know, progress this and find out how and why.

3:46:36BubblemanYou want to grab that Horatio or Kay or Tony's got his hand up. There we go. Tony's.

3:46:40SpeakerTony's. So I like where your head's at. I like the direction where you're going. We had some small conversations about this. So let me see if I can tie it from your actual question to Ken, Kenny's cure. And I think they actually do correlate and have parallels in the sense that I think that terpenes and certain terpenes like the identification that we just went through on glycine are hydrophobic and it means they will attract water.

3:47:17SpeakerAnd so there could be a certain type of strain that you run and you're like I've done everything perfectly and there's a portion of those terpenes and that profile is hydrophobic and they're pulling water out of the atmosphere. And so I've seen that happen before. And like Bubbleman said, you get astonished, you go through the whole process, and you see that happen. And so I think what it also comes down to is those terpenes and how they're preserved and how they're cured, how they're released from the plant from its raw and rye stages and its fresh frozen stages and its dry form.

3:47:57SpeakerAnd so the cure itself has an extremely important aspect to it. Colorado, as he pointed out, is extremely dry. When you take a bud and put it on the counter, it'll turn to dust very quickly. My lips turn to dust. My throat turns to dust. My hair's turned to dust. It's so dry here. It's like being almost in the desert at some point. And it's also high up.

3:48:20SpeakerSo something like California is where people, even when they run a water hazard, fresh cure is what is out there now versus fresh frozen. That humidity, the way that you're able to capture the essence of the water and how it releases out is a really, really hard thing to master in any environment. And every quarter, every year, we try to upgrade it. And this year, it's coming down to finally building, like you said, a giant type of wooden humidor in which can allow something to breathe in And so that curing process, I feel, has that same symbiotic relationship to the terpenes, the extraction, and the medicine which is being produced.

3:49:17SpeakerAnd the fact that we can't control and know all those parameters of the growing, curing, and that process down all the way even puts us further behind, but at the same time very excited overall as we should

3:49:34SpeakerWe've been able to do what we wanted to do from the beginning. And so now there's a future that we actually look for. Yeah, it's all pretty exciting. Now we're willing to do the normal.

3:49:58BubblemanHitting some of that freshies there, Stu? Yeah.

3:50:02SpeakerYes, do what you got there. It's 9 o'clock, dude. What time is it? I'm just blazing online. Can't hear you, bud. It's actually pretty... Got your shit on mute. Dude, yeah, sorry I'm in and out, man, but I'm doing that. I made a mistake. It's not the critical mass. I'm running the pineapple chunk right now, and I just took a fresh hit. I did a true 73 on this one, so I got rid of the 90 bag.

3:50:26SpeakerSo, because I pulled the 90 bag on the first, I wasn't getting much, so I'm just going to do a true 73 on this stuff. It's fresh frozen. Oh, my God.

3:50:34BubblemanThe real, the real 73.

3:50:37SpeakerThe real 73. It's so tasty, man. I mean, it was crackling the shit, like I could hear it, but I just had to hit a little bit here. And now I've got some 45 here, but I've got another run here. I've got to go grab it, okay, guys? But keep talking.

3:50:51BubblemanPlease, go make cash. It's very important. Very, very important to make hash. We all know that it's hard to have hash if you don't make it.

3:51:02BubblemanAs Samantha and her boyfriend are waving their heads up and down, you are correct, Bubble Man. If you don't make hash, it is hard to have.

3:51:11JohnnyWe found in England that there just isn't a big hash market. Not anymore. Yeah, not anymore. People just don't seem to be as into it. I don't know if it's just the people we know.

3:51:25SpeakerAnd people hit the full melt and they're like, oh yeah, wow, the flavor's amazing. But why would you do that when you could sell your herb for Yadier and whatever? It's a terrible attitude that everyone has.

3:51:41BubblemanWell, you are in Babylon's beat.

3:51:44SpeakerDon't worry, we'll introduce you to some good people that aren't like that.

3:51:51BubblemanYeah, yeah, you gotta sort them out with something melty, man. They can't be like... That is imperative. Well, I hope that one day we can produce... What's that, Samantha?

3:52:14JohnnyI don't know, I think it was just the internet had a little moment.

3:52:22BubblemanThe internet does that. Welcome back, Mike West in the house, Green Lion Labs. Mr. Labs. And Maurice, we haven't heard much from you. Did you get your microphone working? Can you hear us now? I don't think Maurice can hear us still. He's watching us on YouTube. Well, we'll get his stuff worked out next time as well. There's always a little bit of technical difficulties to be had when we're doing a Hash Church.

3:52:52BubblemanGreat group of people, though. I'll tell you guys, we've been doing this for four hours. We've been at Hash Church today. Four hours. Listen, I'm about to sign off as well. It was so good to have everyone here. From Mr. Verzura, Tony, always a pleasure, dude. Thank you so much. Todd and Kay and their friend, I'm sorry I've spaced on your name. We've got to have you guys back for sure.

3:53:19BubblemanStu, you're gone making hash, but we appreciate it. I'm back. I heard you. We're just closing her down. Samantha, unbelievable story, totally inspirational. I know everyone in this hash church is going to tell that story 20 times, and next week when we have you back, you're going to be able to tell everyone what your YouTube channel is, and we're going to start you with your traction so you can become like a well-known activist in the UK, which in my opinion, you have the perfect face.

3:53:44BubblemanFor a UK cannabis activist to give them an argument they don't have a leg to stand on against. So you're going to do that and I'm really, I'm going to be happy. Exactly. Mike, thanks for coming back, but we're heading out here. Maurice from Jamaica, Jen Doe, Horatio, and of course, True and Ramon. And their bro in the background that I've been able to see kind of photobombing them the whole time.

3:54:12BubblemanThanks everyone for coming out to Hash Church. Thanks Devin for letting us come to Hash Church at his house here in Whistler.

3:54:18SpeakerThanks for having us man. Always a pleasure and an inspiration. Can't wait for the next one. Right on guys. Bless.