Cannabis and Personal Perspectives

0:02BubblemanHey everybody, welcome to Hash Church episode 79. Man, do I feel much better. Let me tell you, today we're going to have a good church. Not that we didn't have a great church in the last couple of days, but I felt a little bit under the weather the last couple of weeks, sorry, and I felt like I took... I took a little bit of hash church out with me in my negative six sort of feelings.

0:27BubblemanI was a little bit ornery, but I'm back to normal. I'm happy to say I got the positive outlook. I'm just going to send out the link to our good friends out in internet land. Send these all out to everybody. It's always kind of tricky to get that one sort of, there we go. Send that off to Chimera because I forgot them last week.

0:52SpeakerI know everyone's doing great today.

0:54BubblemanWelcome, Etienne. How are you doing? Welcome, Todd.

0:57Etienne FontanGood, sir. Hello, Todd. Glad to hear you're feeling better. That's best of everything.

1:02BubblemanDude, I was some Spanish plague going on there, I'm telling you. I got a lot of friends that were very sick. Still sick.

1:10SpeakerSpanish plague. That's funny. It's not to tobacco, bro. It's to additivity.

1:18Etienne FontanBut it's also, you know... You know, everybody's smoking after each other, which is the problem we've had since the cannabis cups back in the 90s, right? You know, everybody getting together from all around the world, and you smoke after each other, and hey, everybody's sick!

1:31BubblemanYeah, it only takes one or two guys with a real serious sickness to roll into town and just get everyone absolutely destroyed, so it happens. Welcome, Skunk Man, Sam, and your... Funny little Easter Dr. Zeus type character you got going on there today. That's Sam I am. Oh, Sam I am. Of course it is. Welcome, Johnny B. Good morning, guys. Is he having eggs and ham?

1:59SpeakerWow, John, you're looking better every damn week, I got to tell you. You know what? I think it's the shakes I have every morning with weed in it, of course. Positive outlook, like Mark said, when he woke up this morning. It just... Yeah, you look great too, Todd. Etienne, the bunny in the corner, Mark, you look fantastic. It's great to see everybody this morning.

2:23BubblemanYeah, great to be here. Great to not be super sick. I'm telling you, I'm going to pop. Let's blow smoke towards the Vatican. It's already been two minutes.

2:34Etienne FontanAnd it's a good day to blow smoke at the Vatican too.

2:39SpeakerExactly. Well, I'm going to... I managed to mount the D-nail behind the computer over here. It's really nice. I'm really happy with it, actually.

2:48Etienne FontanWoo! Yeah, John, it's so great to see you just looking so relaxed and happy and saying, man, good to see you feeling better because nothing makes you appreciate feeling healthy like being sick or being hurt in your case.

3:01BubblemanOh, I'll tell you, ATN, you nailed that one, man. And there's a lot of people out there that are sick, you know. It's almost a mentality, too, when you get into it. You can really flow into this sort of, oh, I'm sick, I'm sick, and Just kind of take it deeper and deeper and deeper. So it's nice to see that there is a way to stop it and reverse it and to get better.

3:23BubblemanAnd a lot of times it's just perspective for people. I think that cannabis is quite incredible in the sense that it is a perspective changer. And, you know, it seems to take away the negative perspective to just sort of a tiny little twist over to this side to a more positive perspective. So that's nice to see. Welcome, Mr. Caldwell.

3:43SpeakerI agree with that so much, dude. It puts you in a much different head space. I mean, when I had cancer, you get depressed. There's no two ways around it. And cannabis really lifts you out of that negative head space and, like, lets you see things in a more positive light. Mm-hmm. It's awesome. It's no small feat. You know, one thing I can really say that I realize now is there's a lot of plays, and I was talking with some people last night that live in a lot of pain, is I'm able to look at people, and when you live in a lot of pain, you can see it in their eyes and their body language and how they react.

4:15SpeakerSo a lot of people who live in a lot of pain, they can't communicate properly because we get misread because of our pain, because of our body language, and because of how we react to trying to hold pain back inside of us. And I think... Now that I'm not in as much pain as what I used to be, I'm really noticing that I'm able to take a better look at people and understand how people misread me because of my pain.

4:38SpeakerSo it's really interesting learning two ends of it, actually. That's great, John. Good perspective. Bubble Man Rosin. Whoa, let me click on that.

4:49BubblemanThis is Bubble Hash Rosin from Concentrated X. Oh, Bubble Hash.

4:53SpeakerOh, sorry. It was harder to read when you were just a little square. Looks great. That was great.

4:58BubblemanBeautiful, beautiful hash. He does a lot of DNA genetics, so it's always just extremely ripe in the terp varieties.

5:09Etienne FontanProps! Hell yeah. But going back to what we were talking about, it's all about perspectives when you're sick. Many of us here have been very, very sick, myself included, from my Gulf War Syndrome.

5:23SpeakerYou mean Sick of Prohibition?

5:25Etienne FontanYeah, and, well, of course, that, but just dealing with your illness, it causes a lot of things, as you were saying. It causes people to become withdrawn because you have a hard time communicating, because you're in pain. You know, you don't want to be around your friends and family because you know that when you are in pain, that does happen, and, you know, you don't wish to inflict it on anybody else, so I understand the personal mentality of But it's really good to always reach out when you're in pain if it's possible for you to do so.

5:56Etienne FontanYou know, it's so key as everyone's coughing like madmen right now.

6:01BubblemanSorry, trying to mute my mic in time for the mad coughing.

6:08SpeakerClear out those lungs. I found it amusing, honestly, Mark.

6:14Etienne FontanI'm trying desperately to find the mute button.

6:19Etienne FontanSo Sam, what are you smoking on this morning, or this afternoon slash evening?

6:27Etienne FontanWho's that that you were asking? Sorry. I was asking Sam, what is he puffing on today?

6:33SpeakerI'm smoking on about a zillion different samples of Dry Sift that somehow ended up with me in Barcelona from So Many People's Kind Gifts.

6:49BubblemanJust somehow ended up with you. Well deserved. Well deserved. I told you you were going home with hash, Sam.

6:57SpeakerShh. Not so loud.

7:00BubblemanAh. Point taken.

7:03ChimeraWhoa. I just dropped hash.

7:06BubblemanI hate that. Nobody dropping hash, for God's sakes.

7:10SpeakerJust let it go.

7:12Etienne FontanSo, John, what are you smoking on?

7:14SpeakerWell, right now I actually did a little bit of sifting, so I got some little... Some gland heads here. I got some distillate with some rosin and some bubble.

7:27BubblemanWell, I just got, when I got home, my most recent little batch of Terps. These are 12 new flavors from the 18 that I currently have.

7:43BubblemanStoked on the blue ribs.

7:46Etienne FontanWe got some... What's your favorite flavor so far?

7:49BubblemanYou know, I'm really partial to Jack Frost. It's just an incredible... I dropped a drop into a gram and a half of some West Coast concentrate today, or yesterday, sorry. And it's just unreal how loud it is. It is loud. Oh my God.

8:07SpeakerYou know what? I think I'm going to just pull my car and come over and smoke them. I'll be there in about 45 minutes.

8:14BubblemanTurp dip. I haven't even done a terp dip. That last rip that I took of this bubble hash rosin was like it was terp dipped. It was great color on that. Beautiful. Nice color. Very nice. Very nice.

8:30Etienne FontanYou know what temperature it was pressed at?

8:33BubblemanI'm not too sure, but I could find out easy enough. Here's this bubble hash right here if you really want to see something.

8:38Etienne FontanThat becomes the number one question people then ask. It's like, ooh, what pressure did you use? What heat didn't you know?

8:44BubblemanYep. There we go. That's sexy. Yeah, really, really nice. I took some macro photographs of it yesterday, and it just... Whenever I squeal like a little piggy when I'm making macro photographs, I know it's a good shot. If I'm like... That's a good picture.

9:04SpeakerThat looks very tasty.

9:07Etienne FontanSo you squeal like a pig when you get the right shot, right?

9:10BubblemanWhen you get the right shot, it used to be cha-ching, and now it's like...

9:17BubblemanIt happens. All right, we've got a nice group of people in here, 620 folks. The chat's rocking. We've got Jeff from Aqualab Technologies just rolling in. Brad Richardson is in there.

9:32BubblemanAll the regulars. It's nice to see them waiting for Hash Church for hours before it starts. I mean, man, I thought 9 a.m. was early enough, but...

9:41Etienne FontanWhat's interesting, I checked in like the night before for the link just to get it all set and all re-uploaded. It's interesting how people are already commenting on chat and they're like, can't wait, waiting eight hours. Hour later, waiting nine hours. It's rather fascinating the excitement and response people get. Yeah, it's pretty wild for sure. It's nice to see you.

10:02SpeakerThat's good. What's that, Johnny? I said I normally get in at the four hour and 20 minute mark.

10:09BubblemanMorning. Ah, the 4 hour and 20 minute mark. Well, we've got all sorts of fun stuff coming up here. We're almost in April, so we're going to be doing 420 gatherings across Canada and the U.S. and all around the world, I'm sure.

10:26Etienne FontanAnd it's planting season.

10:28SpeakerAnd it's planting season.

10:30Etienne FontanI hope everybody's getting their mamas ready and their girls ready to go into the ground, because it's that time.

10:37SpeakerAnd the federal government of Canada did not appeal our decision, and they have five months to write legislation now. So it's kind of instant home. Ill patients in Canada can grow their own medicine, and that's a done deal. That's really, really good news. That happened all Thursday. Nice.

10:58Etienne FontanHere in America, we've got New Orleans actually decriminalized cannabis.

11:04BubblemanNo, I like decriminalized.

11:08Etienne FontanIt's very awesome what it is. They didn't really decriminalize it, but they made New Orleans okay, but the rest of the state, fuck you, unfortunately. I'm from Louisiana, so I love Louisiana, and I hate to see such ass-backwardness as such a prison-industrialized state that it is, you know. Go with these minor paper cut incrementations of change which really do no one any good. Even the decriminalization in New Orleans is left up to the discretion of the officers.

11:36Etienne FontanSo if you happen to be a prick to the officer, welcome to the industrial prison complex. So we're taking one step forward and two steps back all the time apparently.

11:46SpeakerHey, that's a great place to read books. Don't knock it. Just joking.

11:53Dr Mark ScialdoneGreat place to smoke weed.

11:55SpeakerUnfortunately... Marijuana polls report 61% in favor for legalization, highest ever. It's fucking awesome. Yeah, good, good.

12:06Etienne FontanFucking awesome. So with that change now, John and Marcus, what's going to... Can you guys have any influence or effect or talk to your people regarding the changes you want to see with the new law that is being actually written?

12:24BubblemanLet's say it'll go probably how it always goes. They'll rewrite the law. It'll be fairly insanely written. We'll complain and we'll use our charter, as we have in the past, to corral and direct them into the bottleneck that we want them to go into. And so they've been fighting it. They're bouncing off this wall and bouncing off that wall. They do not want to go down that little bottleneck.

12:48BubblemanBut Judge Phelan pretty much created the ultimate bottleneck in this last ruling. Using the charter breaches as points to direct the program into a more, you know, Canadian-friendly, citizen, patient-friendly program. And it's been a long time, man. We've been doing this for 20 years. This did not just start like a couple of weeks ago. Canada's had a federal program, I believe, at least 16 to 18 years now, maybe even longer with Exemption 56.

13:23BubblemanBut MMAR certainly for quite some time now, well over a decade. And it's just a matter of creating that bottleneck. We're not going to stop. It's just a continual sort of flow pushing. We did the exact same thing with hemp when we applied for our license for hemp. It was very, well, there was no license to apply for. There was no application. We actually had to create our own application.

13:45BubblemanAnd so we would send it in, and then they would send it back and be like, oh, well, we need all these things. And it would be like, well, it would be great if you put those things on your website and Going back and forth with them really was how the Canadian Hemp Program got created with, you know, our group in Manitoba, Jeff Keim and Joe Strobel in Ontario, and some other groups also in Ontario, Quebec, and Saskatchewan.

14:06BubblemanOver a few years, really, between those groups, pushing back with the applications, they created the application that is today. Back then, the Health Canada hemp arm of the government was one guy. His name was Ross Hossie. And he ran the entire thing with just a secretary. And now I'm sure they have many, many, many employees with all the licensing for hemp farmers. So in that sense, we've very rarely stepped backwards.

14:35BubblemanI guess MMPR could be looked at as a step backwards. But for the most part, with hemp and cannabis in Canada, although the steps have been very small going forward, they rarely, rarely, rarely have gone backwards. So I see there's another win.

14:54Etienne FontanWell, it's interesting because I watch people in the hash church comments and things like that say, oh, leave the politics at home, stop talking the politics. But just because you don't take an interest in politics does not mean that politics hasn't taken an interest in you. And the reality is we're all still suffering under this prohibition, and we're still, you know, I've been an activist and still active trying to do something about it in any way, shape, or form that I can.

15:20Etienne FontanSo... I find it frustrating to watch people go, oh, so you guys shouldn't talk politics, but the reality is that the prohibition is still surrounded and has its place in, so I think it's still always a valid discussion, in my opinion.

15:34SpeakerI think cannabis is pretty, it's hard to talk about cannabis and not talk about the oppression politically. I mean, wouldn't we all be in a much different situation if it wasn't for the laws? It's irresponsible not to talk about it, I think.

15:49BubblemanWell, I mean, I'm guessing right off the bat, Todd, that you and I wouldn't be felons and we'd be able to come visit each other in our countries.

15:57SpeakerSo hashtags would have been us sitting with each other. It's true, though.

16:01BubblemanI've hung out with you in more countries, but never my own.

16:05SpeakerNever my own either. Right. We all have time together. It's been in Europe. That's great. Well, I've enjoyed every minute, bro. Travel with you anytime. Absolutely.

16:13BubblemanHey, welcome, Chimera. I didn't see you sneaking in there. How you doing, bud? You ready to get ornery?

16:21ChimeraYeah, always.

16:23SpeakerWicked, wicked. Ryan, did you do any reading about the CBD and the antidepressant stuff that came out of neuropharmacology? That report they just came out with?

16:35ChimeraYeah, I didn't read the most recent report, but CBD is... A partial 5-HT agonist, so it acts on the serotonin receptor, so that's not surprising. Actually, just, you know, we had a friend who's a patient, and she just started taking CBD, and she's actually feeling a huge benefit from it. That's awesome.

16:56SpeakerThey do mention the 5-HT, 1-A receptors, you know,

17:02Etienne FontanWell, it's become predominant with patients. That's why we're always trying to stock CBD products because patients have now found it and accessed it and find it works because I believe, yeah, because of the attachment and the work on the serotonin levels, it helps people even out because they don't like that anxiety as high that can come with those broad leaf drug varietals. And I find many patients specifically are asking for it by name and they're looking for specific ratios all the time and the problem still is consistently having the different ones available.

17:36Etienne FontanWe wish it were a magic widget machine we could stamp them out, unfortunately, but as we all know, it's still a plant.

17:42SpeakerWell, you know, one of the things that caught my eye about this is they talk about how the rapid onset of the CBD to treat depression, because most antidepressants have to be taken for a while for them to build up and kick in. And CBD, they're showing, is actually kicking in almost relatively, not immediately, but In a rapid amount of time, comparatively to weeks and weeks of taking an SSRI.

18:10SpeakerPretty fantastic. I mean, you know, I think a lot of people use cannabis to deal with their depression. You know, how many people pop Prozac? Sure, but how many people just smoke a joint at the end of the day and go deal with their life, you know? And I think now more than ever, this type of research really shows that that's not just a placebo or a band-aid.

18:30SpeakerIt's actually really working.

18:32BubblemanAbsolutely.

18:33Etienne FontanAnd you only need a little bit too, you know. That's the thing we find with a lot of patients with the CBD. They just need one to two puffs and they're titrated to where they need to be.

18:44ChimeraYeah, and whether that's psychosomatic or it's actually doing something still needs to be shown.

18:48SpeakerAgreed.

18:49ChimeraI think as more and more people start using it, we get more Information, I'd really like to see some double blind trials. You know, CBD is definitely a lot better for you than these SSRIs like floxetine and, you know, Welbutrin and Slexa, all that kind of shit. A lot of people have really bad side effects.

19:08Etienne FontanThe problem with this is side effects, right? You have more side effects than the actual symptom you're dealing with. I found, when I was put on them, You know, and then that leads into other situations. Then you're like, okay, well, then the doctor says, then take this pill. The next thing you know, you're on a 15-pill regimen for that one problem.

19:25BubblemanWell, imagine their agenda is that they know and understand how cannabinoids regulate the end of cannabinoid system, and then they thus must come at it from a 100% different perspective. They can't come at it from that cannabinoid perspective. So they come at it from this weird pharmaceutical-like invented idea Thank you for watching.

20:00BubblemanEveryone knows that the pharmaceutical drug side effects are almost laughable. It's like comedy. It looks like you're watching a Saturday Night Live skit, but you're actually watching the things that could kill you with this drug that you're trying to take just so you can go to the bathroom or fall asleep. It's like anal bleeding and like renal failure and like holy shit, man, like It's pretty frightening when you think that there's such an incredible alternative, not even an alternative, the original.

20:32BubblemanThose shitty drugs are the alternatives and they are not doing a very good job.

20:38SpeakerIn all honesty, it's why I think that cannabis should not be listed at all. When everybody jokes, where should you list cannabis on the CSA, I always joke you should list it with alcohol and tobacco. And the truth is, is that really the safety margins alone of cannabis, it separates it from almost all other drugs we have on the pharmaceutical shelf today because all those drugs have killed somebody at least once.

21:03ChimeraAnd they also, I mean, it's also well separated from the safety margins of alcohol and tobacco.

21:09SpeakerOh, absolutely. You know, and I'm not comparing it to the, in a sense, Look, I rarely drink and I don't smoke tobacco, but when you look at the fact that those two obvious drugs are not listed in the controlled substances, cannabis should not be listed either in my opinion at all. It should have been grandfathered in just like tobacco was long ago.

21:31ChimeraI agree with you on that and I think it probably does have to be So that a specific age, I think when Pierre Nolan did the Senate report in Canada, they recommended age 16 as the age of consent.

21:46SpeakerYou know, it was that when I moved to Holland, it was 16. You know, you could literally legally go into a coffee shop as a 16-year-old Dutchman or Dutch girl, And buy your cash or grass, go to school, leave school, smoke your shit, and you are totally legal. And I think that we should demand more from our children. I mean, one of the things that was striking to me about being in the Netherlands was, Being around my friends' teenage children and how mature they were and how they expected so much more on the level of maturity from their children and they got it.

22:20SpeakerAnd here in America, dare I say, that we have extended adolescence pretty regularly because I think that the age of consent is ridiculously high and people act like kids well into their 20s. Yeah.

22:33ChimeraYeah. Well, and they educate people about cannabis use in Holland.

22:40SpeakerYeah, their high school use in teenage use, statistically, was much lower than America's, even considering the fact that they had, you know, access. And now they recently bumped, recently, within the last decade or so, Sam would probably know, the minimum age in coffee shops from 16 to 18. Sam, when did that happen? When did that age change in Amsterdam? Gee whiz, I'm not sure, maybe five years ago.

23:06SpeakerBut it is 18 now, and... The cannabis use here is a quarter of what it is like in America, Germany, or the UK per capita I'm talking about. And the pregnancy rate is 120th per capita of the United States.

23:25Etienne FontanWe only talk abstinence in the United States. We don't talk actually sex.

23:31ChimeraYeah, well, and that's the problem with cannabis, too. As long as you don't talk about it, then nobody knows how to use it. None of the dangers are avoided.

23:38SpeakerAnd the trouble is, of course, abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. Or hotter. Or something. You're looking a little pale there, Sam. Straight into the red light, right? Straight into the red light.

23:53ChimeraYou're looking a little pale there, Sam.

23:54SpeakerYou feeling alright? Sam, I am, I am, I am.

24:00Etienne FontanIndeed. Next, you need a plate of eggs and ham in front of him.

24:06BubblemanAre we going to have to pull out Dana Larson's book, Green Herbs and Hash?

24:12SpeakerTechnically, still one of my favorite parts of Hash Charge was you reading that book.

24:16BubblemanDude, I'd be reading it again if I ever knew where it was. It just disappeared, bro.

24:21SpeakerYou have these things called children.

24:23BubblemanI do. They run around, they have little hands, and they grab my shit.

24:28Etienne FontanAnd you have a pack of children.

24:30Dr Mark ScialdoneI have a brood, actually. When do your kids start grabbing your hash?

24:35SpeakerOh, they get a little older, they're going to be like, I'm so glad my dad is Bubble Man.

24:42Etienne FontanNext thing you know, Bubble Man will have this amazing day from the ground.

24:51BubblemanYeah, that could be interesting for sure.

24:53SpeakerSo what's their age of consent there, Dad? What's that? What's going to be the age of consent for the Bubble Man's children?

25:01BubblemanYou know, it's just like this with cannabis that I'm sure Sam could probably attest that the more you're into it, generally, most likely the less your kids will be into it. My kids have almost zero interest in it whatsoever. My kids are almost exactly the same. Can I be honest though?

25:19SpeakerYou've made it really uncool. What's that, Sam? My kids are the same. I mean, the oldest one has tried it, but she's not interested. She likes a good wine, and the youngest one has tried it also, but I think she'd rather go to Burning Man.

25:38BubblemanNice. Yeah, well, my kids are still quite young. My daughter's going to be 15 soon, and she seemingly has no interest in it. She knows that some of her friends do it and whatnot, and my son, who's 12... For sure, him and his buddies are completely not on that level at all. They're jumping on trampolines and playing chess and video games.

26:00Etienne FontanSo that brings a question then, just curious, and I'd kind of like to ask the whole panel here. At what age were you first turned on? Fifteen.

26:10BubblemanYeah, fifteen here also. I was fourteen myself. I was like eight. John gets younger every time he answers this question.

26:22SpeakerI was young. I was really young. I was like grade 6.

26:28SpeakerI got it from John because I didn't know any 15-year-olds, but I knew an 8-year-old.

26:35Etienne FontanWow, look at the discussion. A lot of 14, a lot of mid-teen, honestly. Very interesting.

26:41BubblemanI was 11 in grade 6 and turned 12. Was it hash your first experience or was it cannabis? No, my first experience was cannabis. I'll never forget rolling our first joint behind the BFI can behind the store near my house. We rolled up a joint, me and Steve McAvoy. We puffed that thing down and man, if we didn't just absolutely 100% totally like it was right out of the half-baked movie where I recognized my relationship with Mary Jane.

27:12BubblemanInstantly. There was no, I don't feel it. Do you feel it?

27:16SpeakerI'm like, I feel it. I bought three joints. I paid 25 cents each.

27:28SpeakerThis was in the 1965. But I got totally ripped. I smoked them one after another. And it was like bright colors and psychedelic. It was great.

27:42Etienne FontanThat's awesome. Yeah, we were very sheltered in Louisiana. We didn't have really access, although I do recall when I was like 14, some kids up the street asked me, have you ever heard of pot? And I was like, oh, you mean that stuff my mom cooks in? And they're like, no, a joint. I'm like, that thing in between my knee? And they're like, never mind, kid.

28:01BubblemanWell, here's a good one. This was pre-me puffing herb. I was about 11 or 12 years old. And I figured out that if I hooked up a couple of, like, wires to a little six-volt battery, which I had from one of my, like, little toys or whatever, and then if I started holding either end, the positive and the negative, on something metal, and I started with pins, because that's what I had, I burned all these pins to shit.

28:30BubblemanAnd then my mom finds these pins and she like comes into my room with my dad and she's talking about hash. She's talking about, I'm like, I'm like, what is this stuff she's talking about? I'm literally like completely clueless to the fact that people back then would put hash on pins and light it on fire and then inhale the smoke from it. I had no idea. She just figured she found these burnt pins.

28:53BubblemanAnd that I was smoking hash, and I was literally, I'm about 100% sure it was the first time I ever heard the term. So, it definitely set me kind of on my little path. Thanks, Mom.

29:08Etienne FontanYeah, the first time I did hash, you did it on the pen with the glass over it to catch the smoke, and you slide over it.

29:16SpeakerYeah, that's how my mom showed me how to smoke hash, actually. That's hilarious. What year was that, Todd? Oh, my mom and I were smoking hash, and I guess 82, I was 12, because I had my second motorcycle by then, and I brought home hash, and she was like, what the fuck? And one of my friends had gotten it that I went motorcycle riding with. And I used to bring shit home and ask my mom if it was real or not.

29:46SpeakerBecause she was really open with me and allowed me to be honest with her. So I wouldn't take stuff until I showed my mom. And I knew she wouldn't give me shit. Because she just was like, look, I'd rather you come home and be real with me than take something that's fucked up and I've got to bring you to an emergency room and it screws up your whole life.

30:06SpeakerYou know? I was like, okay, fair enough. I saw Red Lebanese in 1965 or 66, and yeah, it was really expensive, but I lived in Hollywood, so I had access to it, and we tried it. Yeah, after that, it was, what I would look normally for was Simpsonia. It's starting at the late 60s.

30:38Etienne FontanSo Sam, that first three joints you bought for 25 cents a piece, did you have any idea what it was now or any clue?

30:45SpeakerNo, I strongly suspect the gal who was a Russian gal at Hollywood High School was probably stealing it or snitching it from her mom and dad.

30:59BubblemanAh, the old stealing. Stealing jot herbs, eh?

31:04Etienne FontanNever. Never. So, Bubble Man, your parents never imbibed or were never smokers?

31:12BubblemanI heard later that my dad was quite the hash smoker as a young man. My dad became very sort of mainstream. He became, you know, he was a fireman when he was very young, like just out of his teen years. Freshly after having me, actually, the day I was born, my father was in his first fire. And he went all the way through that. He became the youngest fire chief in Canada by going and getting his GED and then going and getting his Bachelor of Science and then going and getting his Master's Degree in Business Administration.

31:42BubblemanAnd he did all that in like a two-year period while he was like raising two families because he had left my mom and hooked up with my stepmother Marie. So we had her kids. Eddie, my stepbrother, ended up getting cancer during that time and passing away in a very short period of time at the age of 23. So he was also dealing with that. My dad was like the ultimate multitasker.

32:04BubblemanSo the path that he took just happened to be the path of extreme straightness. He drank a little beer and some rum but didn't really smoke in his later years. I think that it was more like the responsibility of showing his kids that. Which is quite funny because that's usually how it works out that we end up getting interested in these things. If our parents aren't into them at all, we seem to be trying to find out as much as possible about it.

32:34BubblemanBut either way, if you're lucky enough to find cannabis in your life as a guiding light, then good job.

32:43Etienne FontanAny of the other panel here, were their parents stoners at all or not?

32:46SpeakerMine, they're completely not. I grew up to hash and weed in my fridge when I was a kid, so my dad kind of did smoke it when I was younger, but as I got older, he did not smoke anymore. It was very much, yeah, I guess it was part of my life as I was younger, didn't really realize it, and as I got older... I started smoking by stuffing dried leaves that we dried because our friend's dad was growing it outside, so we had plucked some of it, dried it underneath the heat lamps because that's where we had the rabbit farm because we didn't have rabbits.

33:28SpeakerWe had the red heat lamps, dried it, and we stuffed it in dried bamboo, and we used it as a pipe, and I think it was found in a little box when we were out back and had trouble for it. Yeah. I was caught hot knife and hash when I was 14 years old by my dad here right beside me. Nice. We were hot knife and hash.

33:52SpeakerI took the first hook. We had about 100 hot knife hoots busted out on the plate. Hoots. He was supposed to be hunting out at my grandpa's place, but he stayed at home. My mom was at bingo, so the house was empty. Walked in, turned the stereo on, cranked up the Ozzy Osbourne with three of my buddies and started giving her. First toke I took, I took, take a toke, I look over and there's my dad standing there looking at me going, are you having fun, Mr. Massey?

34:19SpeakerI was like, oh, fuck, we were busted hard, man. So what do we do? What do you do, Mr. Massey? This is my dad, everybody in the world. This is my pop that put up with me for a lot of fucking years, man.

34:35BubblemanThat's awesome. Welcome, dude. Welcome, pops. I was going to give a little shout out to my pop.

34:39SpeakerThat's awesome.

34:41BubblemanShow my pops on there as well.

34:43SpeakerNice. Nice. That's the bike you ride now, right? Right, Mark? Yeah, yeah, that's the one I ride around with you, dude. Yep, we'll be riding when I get back down. I got my bike ready. I'm going to trailer it down there because it's still too fucking cold up here.

34:59BubblemanDude, I was going to say when you said you were coming down with your bike, I was like, Jesus Christ, dude, that's a bit hardcore.

35:06SpeakerI've rode it these times of year, but it's because I've rode it during these times of year like that that I don't want to.

35:12BubblemanI worry about it every time, dude, because every time you come back, you're like, I saw an entire family in a minivan killed. I saw this thing trailer flip over on top. It's like, holy shit, dude. That means you're so close each time.

35:26SpeakerOh, it's fucking, you know what? You know this just as well. Every single day you ride on your motorbike, There's somebody that would have wiped you out if you weren't paying attention. Every time.

35:37BubblemanYeah, it's a good metaphor for life, actually.

35:39SpeakerYeah. Anyways, we should do a bong rip, shouldn't we?

35:43BubblemanYeah, let's welcome Horatio to the room as well, and Adam from West Coast Concentrates just rolled in. Adam!

35:51SpeakerMorning, guys. What's up?

35:53BubblemanWhat's going on, doggy? You ready? Bong rip. I'm going to hit some West Coast Concentrates.

36:00SpeakerRight here.

36:02BubblemanLet's see what we go, what we go. I guess we'll go with this one. It has no label. What was this one again?

36:07Etienne FontanAll right, Darren's dad, Mr. Massey, when you walked in on Darren actually doing hash hits, what the hell were you thinking of what to do? I was a very ravished, quick parent at that point. I had zero tolerance for it, so.

36:25SpeakerGet out of here, kid. You're out of here.

36:27Etienne FontanI said it's time for you to leave. Yes.

36:31SpeakerBut it's taking many... Yeah, we've got a good... We've got a good thing going these days. Good relationship. But before, we clashed every fucking day.

36:45Etienne FontanYeah.

36:46SpeakerIn every way. I could picture it. Oh, Mark, you know me, man, and just imagine me worse when I was younger, because I was. Trust me.

36:58BubblemanYeah, well, you know what? I know. I know you were, dude.

37:04BubblemanI was no stranger to it myself.

37:06SpeakerI know. The problem with parents is sooner or later they come home to you and you're cleaning a kilo on a newspaper totally naked with your 16-year-old girlfriend.

37:22Etienne FontanProblems.

37:25SpeakerHash problems. It's time to get your own place, dude.

37:32SpeakerThat's all.

37:34Etienne FontanSam, did you ever catch your kids smoking pot without your knowledge?

37:40SpeakerNo, I never did, but I know they did try it, but they are really not interested.

37:52SpeakerI've actually got my dad eating coconut oil infused with the THC, and it's something he never would have never, like he didn't smoke weed or any of that stuff ever. No drinking, no nothing. Very strict discipline.

38:04BubblemanThere's nothing wrong with feeding your endocannabinoid system. They just tried to convince you that there was.

38:11SpeakerYep. All you have to do is get some sort of benefit from it. That's all.

38:18BubblemanNowadays, the amount of benefits are sort of hard not to see when you have Sanjay Gupta and CNN and all these major television networks Sort of promoting this concept and this idea that cannabis is medicinal. Cannabis can help people suffering. And, you know, even on the extreme, they're starting to release the knowledge that cannabis can turn off certain diseases and actually save lives. So, incredible. And not only can, it does.

38:53SpeakerJust saying.

38:57SpeakerI love squishing, especially on that. How's church Sunday? Easter?

39:04BubblemanWe'll squish it up, dude. What's going on over by the West Coast crew?

39:08SpeakerOh, man, I'm just feeling like garbage lately, but I appreciate the length this morning, but I won't be puffing too tough, I would say. Oh, you're sick, buddy? Yeah, I think it's just something that's going around. In the West End, there's a lot of people walking around, bumping into each other, and you know how it is. Everyone's got a little bit of something. Mark's brought it back from Spain, the plague.

39:27SpeakerI brought it back. The Spanish Fly or whatever that stuff's called. It's a rough time. But it's all good. We're feeling better. I spent most of the day in bed yesterday, but today I'm definitely feeling a lot better. But actually going on what you guys were just talking about, I recently had a friend of mine who approached me with just, you know, his friend's uncle. He's an older guy.

39:49SpeakerHe's 67, 70 years old. And he...

39:53SpeakerHe was really, he just got hit hard with cancer. It's, I don't honestly remember exactly where it is, but he was saying it's in a few different spots, and he's actually super anti-using anything, just like your dad, Darren, no alcohol, no cannabis. He doesn't even really like to take painkillers or anything like that when they do give it to him. So I was like, hey man, just try it out.

40:19SpeakerIt's definitely not going to hurt you. So we gave him some small dose, just like infused capsules with MCT and he's actually starting to notice that his pain is going away, his appetite is back and this is all before chemo as well. It's just, it's really amazing just to see what this plant can do for us. You know, you always hear people saying, oh, it's great, it can help you and everything.

40:43SpeakerAnd as somebody like myself who is really mostly a recreational user, it's really good to see people benefiting from it that are terminally sick. And like Todd and, you know, like Darren and All the other guys on the panel that have used it to help them, not necessarily just with cancer, but with accidents and pain and things like that. It's just a beautiful thing, man. I just really feel blessed to be a part of this industry.

41:11SpeakerAmen, brother. Fucking right. I'm doing the same thing with an individual up here. I got a text message from my friend that showed me a picture of a girl on Facebook. Reaching out that her dad had colon cancer and he's got it in his bones now and she didn't know anything about the THC and if there's anyone that did know that they could contact her. Well, we donated a lot of doses to that guy.

41:35SpeakerI seen him the day before yesterday. The daughters come over to my house. We all sat and had a cry because they were so happy that their dad is not taking the painkillers he had to. He's eating twice, three times as much as he was. And because he's not on painkillers and just literally fucking unable to speak, they can have conversations. They're laughing and joking and they're having good times at the worst times.

42:03SpeakerSo it is amazing. I feel blessed as well to be a part of this industry in a huge way that way. I'm a recreational user and for pain and all that too because of the stuff that has happened to me, but I really like seeing that happen to people when it really changes Their life and their life for their family and everything. It's a fucking feel-good feeling, man.

42:24Speaker100%, man. I definitely agree. And also, it's just like you're saying, tears. There's always going to be those tears in people's lives, but if you can bring them the tears of joy, I mean, it's worth every bit of anything.

42:38Etienne FontanHelping people out becomes very addictive. Once you help somebody out and you've changed your life and you see somebody else, you're like, hey. There's somebody else in pain. How can I help? And I give a lot of praise to all of you on this panel for that, as reaching out beyond yourselves and trying to help many others along the way who can or could benefit from this.

42:57Etienne FontanAnd thank you all for taking that chance and reaching out when you do.

43:02SpeakerSo all the inspiration from everybody else, too, started somewhere, you know?

43:07ChimeraYeah, cannabis is plentiful. If anybody, you know, everybody out there has cannabis and you can teach one person, show them the benefits, the medical benefits, and that's really a great thing.

43:18SpeakerGuys, I've got to head out. I'm just quick on the panel for the morning here. I'm cooking my dad Easter breakfast and we're going to hang out a bit. I will jump back on near the end when we're done and I will farewell with a ball rip. Happy Easter, everybody. Happy Easter, Darren. You too, Darren. Enjoy the day. Nice meeting you, Dad.

43:39Etienne FontanAnd nice meeting you, Senior Massey.

43:45SpeakerThank you.

43:50SpeakerPeace, guys.

43:50BubblemanSee you later, Darren. Take it easy, pops.

43:55SpeakerThat was an awesome squish. I got a really, really, really good squish from that. Anyways, now I got to dab. Squishing it up. I really do love my Revlon hair straightener. I haven't really upgraded.

44:11Etienne FontanIs that your favorite one? What model Revlon is it? People will want to know.

44:15SpeakerSorry, the Revlon finally broke. It's in the museum of my stuff that I have. I've moved on to a Conair. I grabbed that one at a Saskatoon when I went for the Prairie Harvest Cup last year. I had to buy one. I didn't have one with me. I was like, I've got to swish. So... I'm hoping there'll be this like really, really killer little handheld squisher for people because it's just that's convenient where I can just take it everywhere, right?

44:43BubblemanIsn't that what you're holding in your hand?

44:46SpeakerNo, this is, I got all these cool tools.

44:49BubblemanNo, your hair straightener, John. Your hair straightener. Isn't that exactly what you just said? A little cool thing that you could bring around?

44:57SpeakerYeah, just a little bit. It should keep, they're almost... Yeah, I think it's going to break sooner or later, so it's got to be a little reinforced. I saw a pretty cool little, it was maybe the size of like an old Discman, you know, like from the mid-90s, and it was similar to what you're talking about, John. It was a small, honestly, I wish I could remember the name of the... Green?

45:21SpeakerIt was green, yeah, green and black, and it had a really big, it looked like a scale, like it had a really big... We've gone through about 25 hair straighteners probably this year until we bought our good press, but the salons are definitely loving us for that.

45:58SpeakerYeah, no, I tried to put some pressure on it, and as you can see, it's got this big crack in the bottom. I was like, snap. I was like, really?

46:05Etienne FontanTalk about pressing issues.

46:08SpeakerIt's like pens. I got, like, 20 of them broken. I'm sure Mark does, too.

46:13BubblemanI got no broken pens, dude. I don't collect shit like that.

46:16SpeakerOh, I, well, yeah, I have my, I have a museum. I just tend to throw them away if they break. I got my first grow, like, in a jar from downstairs, like, 15, 20.

46:27Etienne FontanThe only pen I found that's really working consistently is I got one of those Omicrons, and that one's the only one consistently, but even I kind of upgraded my travel.

46:37BubblemanOh, yeah, I saw that. That's nice.

46:40SpeakerBut even with the walls and going on, you figure someone would have a nice little handheld unit by now. I really would think so, but, you know, like...

46:48Etienne FontanIt's coming well in time, but, again, it's, you know, it's new quality products. You need a quality product, and the thing is, is a lot of these hair straighteners, and like you saw, that circular thing, it's cheaply made, so it's not made for quality.

47:00SpeakerYes, we need one specifically made for squishing. But no, there's 937 people watching, I'm sure somebody out there has got an idea.

47:10ChimeraSomeone needs to make one of those, there's money there for you, and you know how to do it.

47:14SpeakerIs that what you want, John, like a little, somehow like two tons, but in the palm of your hand, it'll, like it'll have to be like... Like I'm thinking of it, I'm like, well, they have tiny, tiny, tiny vices you can heat up really, really, really hot, but it makes a weird bulge in your pants. It's going to have to have this type of a clamp on here so when you put it on here you can just go ch-ch-ch.

47:35SpeakerI don't know, I'm not, I'm sure you can figure these two together and handle them a little bit wider. Just enough so you can squish like a gram.

47:50SpeakerFor the small guys. I'm squishing. I'm dabbing.

47:58BubblemanWell, all right. Feeling pretty iry myself here. Might be ready for a terp dip. He just texted and said he was going to be in in a little bit. He's also feeling a little under the weather.

48:10SpeakerIP6. I love this stuff. I take immune mushroom builders every day. And I'm doing pretty good because everybody's sick around me and I'm holding strong.

48:28BubblemanOoh, knock on wood, dude. Just in case. You'll end up coming down with the plague if you don't.

48:38BubblemanYou don't want that plague. Down the book, by the way. Green Buds and Hash. Green Buds and Hash. I invited Dana in, but he's very busy with his Million Seed giveaway.

48:50BubblemanHe's looking for seed donations. He's giving away a million seeds. And yeah, it's Dana Larson doing his thing, always doing something cool.

49:02Etienne FontanThat's a lot of counting.

49:05BubblemanA lot of seed, man.

49:07SpeakerIt's a lot of mailing. I was there. It's got like literally five gallon buckets full of seeds. And they just put them in bags. So we have to donate. If you want seeds, he asks for a donation. And then you start, you know, pay for shipping, stuff like that. And he'll get you seeds. That's, you know, a pretty good deal. Pay for shipping.

49:34BubblemanNot too shabby at all.

49:37SpeakerAnd we'll see what happens with the government and them stopping a million plants growing outside everywhere. I like that.

49:46ChimeraI'm a little more skeptical about that whole... Rewrite of the MMPR. Yeah. They're going to try and limit it as much as they can and, you know, I don't know if you heard, if you heard Filippo when she was out making her announcement the other day, damn, I mean, she didn't say home cultivation once, you know, so I think they're going to try and pull some shit and it's going to be a whole other court case and,

50:14SpeakerIt would be interesting because they really put, and when they did a little article on me, they wanted to make sure that I grew 144 plants when they've been in my garden on several occasions. They've only counted maybe 35, 40. I've never had 144 plants in my garden ever. But they want to make that point that that's what my license was and stuff like that. So I think they're going to really be attacking plant numbers.

50:35SpeakerThey're going to be attacking probably HPS bulbs in residential areas. There's going to be interesting because being at that court case and paying attention to what they were looking at was fire and all kinds of issues around security and stuff like that. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what they do, Camara. In the next five months, they're going to write legislation for us to continue to grow.

51:02SpeakerI don't think they can take it away from us.

51:04ChimeraI don't think they're going to be able to move the law off. That's kind of ridiculous.

51:13ChimeraAnd I don't know about them being able to restrict plant numbers. I mean, they might try to do something to square footage, but people that have high dosages, you know, there's people out there that have high dosages.

51:25BubblemanThe plant count number argument's easy to beat.

51:28ChimeraIf your doctor says that you're allowed to have this much, the court's already ruled that that's constitutionally allowed. But you know the way this has always gone. We win an ancient court and then they set it back ten feet and we've got to start all over again. And I don't think that there'll be any difference this time.

51:49SpeakerCome on, where did our formula come from? Like, where did our plant count formula, like, I've seen the ones that, the ones that are actually harsh, the ones that go for canopy, so if you can't fill your canopy, you're fucked, but, like, you see the ones where it's like six plants per person, you know, some of them for all populations, some of them for just medical patients, but where did our math come from?

52:09SpeakerLike, where did they get that from? Is it American, or did they just make it up?

52:12ChimeraNo, no, our system was more regulated in that sense first, and, um, At some point in time, I think they decided that one plant was worth 30 grams. And that was it. They had calculated like a growing cycle and everything. And, you know, when people started lighting up these warehouses with 200, 300 lights, it was, you know, it was never, ever intended to be the way the system was run.

52:35ChimeraYou know, you see clips all over YouTube of huge gardens and, I don't know, like it's not really the way it was written into the law.

52:45SpeakerWell, that's kind of why I was confused about our things. I remember when I got mine and it was like, well, you need 30 grams a day for what you're doing. And I'm like, what does that mean? And I looked down and I'm like, 29 plants. And then they're like, oh, that's outdoor. I'm like, how does that make me grow better? And then it was like 110 indoor.

53:03SpeakerAnd I'm like, at the same time or not at the same time, it seemed thought out. But then as soon as you had to answer, how do I go from veg to flower outdoor in the summer? I called Health Canada like, yeah, you can't do that. You have to either move them all out on the same day, and then I'm like, you guys are morons. But I seemed to have a nice plant count.

53:23SpeakerI didn't really know where they based it on or what they based people's success rates. It just seemed to, like, I was the last guy in the MMAR pretty much.

53:33ChimeraYeah, I mean, they had to allow, like, I mean, if people wanted to try growing outside, there was nowhere in the regulations that said you had to grow inside. So it just had to be a secure area. And then people started applying all these different growing techniques and lighting up, you know, instead of putting 100 plants under 10 lights, they'd put 100 plants under 100 lights. So, I mean, you've probably seen some of these big grows out your way.

53:57ChimeraI've seen some huge shows out in the valley, out in the Fraser Valley. And they're all licensed up and they're growing one plant per light. Vertical bulbs hung, six-foot plants, you know.

54:10SpeakerWell, that was what I kind of, like, when I kind of tried to figure out why, when I'd go on YouTube, there were successful-looking people, but they all grew different. And then I realized, oh, I see, one of these guys is meeting, like, our MMAR rules, and it became, yeah. I started to believe, like, what? I need a plant per bulb. I'm going to have to be a millionaire to grow 100 plants.

54:29SpeakerLike, that seems to be the way to grow. And then I'd go to another channel where a guy would have 40 plants under a light, and I'm like... That seems more logical, but how the fuck do I do that with my plant count? Which one of these guys are right? And they were all just coming out of different systems of math formulas, it seems. The plant laws are absolutely absurd due to the fact that you can grow these things into bushes and turn them into 12 and 20 foot plants like we're seeing in Northern California.

54:58SpeakerAnd it's more efficient to do the... Thank you for joining us.

55:27SpeakerTo me, it just underlines how stupid the politicians are when they're talking about this subject.

55:35ChimeraI like how Washington did it. They regulated the square footage. I think that makes the most sense.

55:40SpeakerRight. That would make more sense because you can only grow so much in so much space. It doesn't matter how many root balls there are. If there's one in a big bush, we've all seen the screen of green. Pretty cool. It just takes a long time to veg.

55:53Etienne FontanYeah, and in Oakland, it's 72 plants in a 4x8 area, or it used to be, you know, so that was going off the sea of green method, and I think some of the, because the only methodology that was being published at the time caused politicians to be reactive to numbers because of the sea of green, because they're not botanists, as you're stating, and they don't understand that it's a plant and that There's different ways we can actually grow this plant by either putting it straight from veg into flower in the Sea of Green methodology or, you know, vegging it for one month to two months and putting it outdoors and watching it grow exponentially.

56:27ChimeraYeah, indoors it's insane to be putting it out, or, sorry, indoors it's insane to be vegging it. It's a waste of energy. It's not necessary, but it's simply a factor of legality, right? Right. There's equal big plants. If you don't have plant numbers, then, you know... You grow small plants.

56:45SpeakerLots more small plants is much more efficient, especially if you're doing it in turnovers. I mean, the way that the Dutch grow flowers is pretty much industry standard on a lot of levels, and all they did was take other applications of how they did things in other areas of flowers and move it into cannabis, and it works great. You can predict your harvest really easy.

57:07Etienne FontanThe plants also grow.

57:12ChimeraPlants also aren't subjected to disease pressure for that extra month or two, right? So there's just a whole bunch of reasons I think it's better, you know? Even outdoors in California it would be blackout. The mid-season crop in blackout will be, you know, the top, top.

57:27Etienne FontanWell, that's a problem we found in Oregon is people were growing these bushy plants and all they were making is these white powdery mildew factories. And, you know, not having good circulation and having these very thick bushes, Not having good transpiration of air in the rooms themselves just because of the humidity and everything seems to be just a breeding ground. So because they were limited to six plants, people, that's what I'm talking regarding Oregon.

57:53Etienne FontanSo they would take these plants, put them in an ungodly amount of soil and let them veg out a couple of months and then flower them inside. And that's where the problem is because they couldn't grow it outside because it was through the winter, etc. And it just causes a whole host of issues. It doesn't mean you can't grow it very well. I've seen it done. But it takes a lot, a greater deal of understanding of transpiration of air, your humidity control, etc.,

58:21ChimeraYeah, it's numbers. I mean, the longer it's out there, the more opportunity it has to get infected or, you know, pick up some kind of bug or mold. So I really like that short seed green method, but unfortunately with today's regulations, you can't really do that, at least in Canada.

58:36SpeakerYou can if you want to, but we chose to pack rooms with lots of lights and as many plant numbers as we can to get the biggest yields because we're looking at growing for the wrong reasons. But, you know, the valley, I live out here and I see 18 20 lights under, you know, 15 plants. And they grow them as big as they can. And really, in reality, these plants are just not, they're not healthy plants.

59:02SpeakerAnd when you want to grow real good medicine, you just got to take a look at what's going to work. And for me, it's one gallon per foot. So if you're going to grow, if people put these things in 20-gallon pots, I don't see 20-foot trees anywhere. They try to veg these things for three months, and there's just so much dirt, soil on the bottom of those plants, and they're not healthy, so...

59:22Etienne FontanWe also follow the seed of grain method for our growers to be a more consistent medicine, especially across the pound slash kilo. You don't get as much sprinkles of the smaller things that you would be making bubble hash or other ancillary products from. Don't get me wrong, there's still some sprinkles, but it's not in comparison to when you're growing those two, three-month butchers.

59:46SpeakerBut with the plant limits, like you said, I mean, we're kind of limited in what they're going to do about plant limits in Canada. I mean, the licenses came into play, which was one to three grounds, and that was for the first ten years of the system. It wasn't until the last, like, six, seven years that the numbers just were increased and extractions came into play, and, I mean, it just went ballistic with all these big numbers of... That's why we're having the flux in the system, because...

1:00:12ChimeraPeople figured out the loopholes, you know, instead of playing the angles, which they're always going to do. I mean, the real problem here is the legality of cannabis in society. You can't have a group that does have access and then a group that doesn't have access and not expect that there's going to be, you know.

1:00:31SpeakerAnd let's look at, we have mandatory sentencing for six months or more. I believe with legislation over the next six months with a legalized platform, Everybody will be able to grow five plants. And they'll do something for medical patients. We'll get more plants because of their condition. And with the licensed producers that are being put into play over time, it's just going to get hopefully cheaper. That's what we're seeing.

1:00:54SpeakerWe want to have better access. And if I can't grow it myself, if I can buy it cheaper, that would be awesome. But I mean, I really enjoy getting out of bed and growing my own medicine. It's something that It gives me a quality of life, but some people just can't do that, right? So, I mean, we're caught in this system, and sooner or later we're just going to be able to get access everywhere, and that's just a matter of time before the governments have to give in, and we're going to all be able to smoke everywhere, and I'll be coming down to see Utah, for sure.

1:01:24SpeakerWe look forward to that day. Yeah, for sure, change is imminent. It is. It's going to happen. And we're seeing it worldwide. We're seeing governments push. We're seeing what's going to happen on April 20th when the United Nations meet in New York. I mean, we're at that time of history that this plant is really going to change the world. And it's great to see that we're all here a part of it and we're all passionate about it.

1:01:52SpeakerYeah, and I'm glad that cannabis is so flexible that people have been able to innovate under the extreme pressures of plant limits and such, and it's kind of cool to see people stepping up, vegging more, and putting a plant under a light in order to compensate for the stupidity they're dealing with.

1:02:08Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, look how much innovation has happened in the light of prohibition against these very strong headwinds. Imagine what happens when prohibition is dropped and there can actually be Research done in earnest at the university level. Everyone who needs to apply for a Schedule I license, it takes over a year to get a Schedule I license because it has to go through an institutional review board process that's actually governed by NIDA.

1:02:46Dr Mark ScialdoneThe National Institutes of Drug Abuse actually holds a stranglehold on that.

1:02:51Etienne FontanWell, Mark, you're in a very interesting position because you're watching your state now struggle with the change. You've been watching it politically. Now you're going to see it change into implementation. So what's the next step happening there, and what are you doing with any type of research regarding what's transpiring there at all?

1:03:09Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so what's going on in Pennsylvania is that the House passed the bill that passed the Senate overwhelmingly last spring, And they made so many amendments and provisions to the bill that it's changed so substantially that it actually has to be re-voted on by the Senate, which we know that it'll pass. And the governor is already committed to signing the legislation as soon as the Senate passes it.

1:03:36Dr Mark ScialdoneSo we know it's going to go forward here in Pennsylvania, which is a good thing. The law is much less restrictive than of neighboring states like New York. But still smoking is not allowed. Home cultivation is not allowed. But the one major step that I think is notable about the Pennsylvania law is autism is now added as a qualifying condition. I think that that's the first medical state where autism has been added as a qualifying condition.

1:04:05Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, Pennsylvania is also one of those states that already has state regulated liquor Um, commission and liquor stores like to go to buy alcohol in Pennsylvania. You have to go to a, you know, to a state run liquor store. So they already have sort of an infrastructure in place and that they have states run stores that can easily sort of front the dispensary and that it could be, again, a state run thing that you need to have ID to get into and everything.

1:04:33Dr Mark ScialdoneBut, um, the law seems to be quite progressive. There's a lot of, um, champions in the state. And also stealing the thunder of the medical bill was the hemp bill, which again was passed unanimously through the House, and that's an industrial hemp bill. And so there's a lot of weight here on the agricultural side of things to really move that thing forward. And so both those bills are moving forward now, and the governor said that he would sign that one too as well.

1:05:07Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it looks like hemp and medical cannabis are coming to Pennsylvania, which is a great thing.

1:05:14Etienne FontanGo, Pennsylvania.

1:05:18Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. Let's hope it becomes, again, more of an open access law. One of the problems, say, with New York is to access not only the medicine, but also to access doctors. I guess that seems to be the pinch point in New York is to find a doctor that will actually Prescribe it and I guess there's many doctors again who are reluctant to either take the training or get the certification that's required for them to be able to make prescriptions on medical cannabis.

1:05:47Dr Mark ScialdoneSo that's quite frustrating again to a lot of patients that are just unable to get access to the medicine. So hopefully those things will work itself out. That's true.

1:05:59SpeakerThat's actually true worldwide, Mark. Even here in the Netherlands, it's relatively difficult to find a doctor who will give you a prescription for cannabis, which is available in the Apotex.

1:06:12Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I don't know if the motivation again is that they're sort of just arms of the medical insurance industry that Thank you so much for joining us.

1:06:45Dr Mark ScialdoneThank you for joining us today.

1:07:11Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, fiction, you realize that, again, that, you know, the government isn't in a place to regulate where they couldn't keep a herbal remedy from taking the place or, you know, being used in advance to being prescribed one of these FDA-approved drugs with all these terrible side effects. And it's interesting, just to go back to the previous discussion where Marcus was talking, I think, primarily about television commercials, it's just so interesting in the society now where, You really can't turn on a television these days and not hear about being marketed to directly by pharmaceutical companies or marketing directly to patients.

1:07:52Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, this has just been happening more and more and more. And the evening news and the football games and the baseball games are all just ruled with Cialis, Viagra, Exalta, I mean all of these commercials that are just these huge billion dollar pharmaceutical pills. So I mean again, this is part of the mainstream that brings entertainment and television to the gross of the American public. So this is what people are watching as they're sitting down in their homes is they're Hearing that, again, I can take a pill to get rid of my opium-induced constipation.

1:08:33Dr Mark ScialdoneI could just take another pill. We just need to completely get away from that notion that there's a pill for this. I think Johnny is a shining example. Here's a guy who took no pills and went through reconstructive neck surgery and is healthy, brought to you by the plant cannabis. Thank you very much.

1:08:55SpeakerIt'd be really cool to see those commercials come out for cannabis. I mean they probably have them in the states, in your legal states, but at least in Canada you don't see those. So when you finally have one of those commercials and there isn't a 25 minute at the end of the commercial little blurb of all the side effects and things that this pill might do to you and suicide and pain and loss of appetite, no sleep and all this stuff, it's just going to say hungry, happy, sleepy.

1:09:22SpeakerYou know, I just want to point out in a way, it's really hard to compare a medical patient in Canada who is basically protected from this invasive pharmaceutical advertising that causes Americans to self-diagnose their own medical conditions routinely and go in and ask doctors for specific brand name drugs because in Canada they don't allow that. And in Canada they actually have a socialized medicine platform where people can go in and get treated.

1:09:51SpeakerAnd in America, it's a for-profit platform where people actually can't afford the medical care they really need. So they sit there looking through magazines and tripping out on pretty advertisements and pretending they think they have that exact need for that drug, and that's going to fix whatever ailment they got. And it's a really screwed up space to be in.

1:10:11Dr Mark ScialdoneBecause they heard it on television in living color, and so they believe it.

1:10:16SpeakerDude, America, there is probably less than half a dozen countries, I think I read, that actually allow pharmaceutical companies to direct market to their citizens. I mean, we're not making educated decisions in America. We're not doctors. Unless you're a doctor, you shouldn't really be sitting there considering which drugs you need to take for what condition you think you have. That point's, like, huge. Like, I just realized, I'm like, holy shit.

1:10:42SpeakerWe all did learn it from watching what American TV we do access. I'm like, yeah, I get it. Like, I want Viagra, but I don't know how to tell my doctor I want Viagra. The doctor's going to offer me generic pill 1, 2, Z, but unfortunately, American TV reaches around the world with a powerful grip. So that logic of self-diagnosis is really the worst because people literally go in like, I want you to sell me this.

1:11:10SpeakerJust make it safe. That's your job, right?

1:11:12Dr Mark ScialdoneTry explaining to your pre-adolescent children what a four-hour lasting long erection is all about. In the middle of watching not some late night program, but just some program on in the middle of the day. You've got a Cialis commercial in, and it brings up an interesting, we were talking about kids before, brings up an interesting dynamic with your kids because you'd have maybe not Discussed four-hour lasting erections had you not seen this.

1:11:43SpeakerThe biggest problem, the kids realize you're using it.

1:11:46Dr Mark ScialdoneHe asked a really compelling commercial. He said, well, if those two people are in love, why aren't they in separate bathtubs?

1:11:58Etienne FontanIt's one of the biggest disservice we ever did was allowing pharmaceutical companies a few years ago, along with Hard Liquor, to start advertising again and And it has only become more pervasive as stated. It is on every channel, on everything. And the amount of money and the budgets that those have, I can outspend any small company who actually wants to get their foot in the door. And I can't watch the news, national news, go to CNN or anything without seeing some sort of pharmaceutical advertisement with More than half of it is nothing but the side effects.

1:12:36Etienne FontanAnd that's fucked up when all you're hearing is anal bleeding, your eyes are popping out, you can't breathe, sudden death, you know. What the fuck, people?

1:12:45SpeakerWe really tolerate this shit?

1:12:46Etienne FontanYeah.

1:12:47SpeakerGive me more. It's like Mark was saying, Scaldone was saying, it's a pill for a pill for a pill for a pill. You know, it's just a never-ending... It's like having a car. It's just a money pit. You always got to put money back in. You got to put gas in it. You got to fucking fix the tires. You got to do all these things.

1:13:03Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's kind of like Bubble Man was saying. It's like we're living inside an SNL skit or something. It's like is this really fucking for real? It's a sad joke. Right. Is this a joke? I can't tell if this commercial is an SNL rerun or not because it's so fucking ridiculous.

1:13:22SpeakerYou know what? They had me on 32 pills a day. I had still softeners so I could shit. I had antidepressants. I had painkillers. I had so many different pills.

1:13:33Etienne FontanHow many different antidepressants?

1:13:36SpeakerWell, I was on Amitripoline. I was on Ativan. I was on a still softener. I had Ziprocon. I had I had Superdolls. I had fast-acting morphine. I also had Oxycontins 80s, fast-acting Superdolls 5s and 10s for breakthrough pain. I literally walked around with a pharmaceutical kit. I was nicknamed Dr. John, and I gave away pills. I didn't care. We were like, hey, can I have one? I'm like, here.

1:13:58SpeakerThey had me high as hell. That's how they dealt with pain, and that was a system, and doctors didn't know anything else, and that was the biggest thing. It's They don't know how to deal with someone who's suffered severe pain or who are dealing with cancer or dealing with HIV and they have these neopathic pain symptoms because they don't know how to deal with it. There's no way of dealing with it.

1:14:21Dr Mark ScialdoneThere are some medical conditions that need pharmaceuticals. There's no question about it. There are life-saving pharmaceuticals out there that if they weren't invented or they weren't supplied, there'd be a lot less people on the planet because Again, there's medical afflictions that only pharmaceuticals can help. But again, in most cases, and I think that, you know, again, Johnny, you're just a shining example of, here it is, it's like, it's pain we're talking about, and we're talking about opiates, which we all know is a big problem, a big problem.

1:14:56Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can't turn on the nightly news and not hear a story about some, you know, overdose or some meth lab or some, it's just, it's horrible. You have to certainly address it from the point of view that, look, where cannabis is being used, opiate use is down. And now here's Johnny's example of you don't need to go through a regimen of opiates to go through reconstructive neck surgery.

1:15:23Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can use cannabis and cannabis-derived terpenes. And we got a guy. Look at him. He's a living, shining example of what this medicine can do. You know? It's beautiful.

1:15:37SpeakerIt's completely changed my life since my fall and learning how to come off the pharmaceutical drugs and what the system put me on. Don't forget, a key role in my recovery was amino acids and the natural supplements with converted forms of THC. I learned how the oral forms of THC is what helps people with most conditions with MS, cancer, chronic pain, epilepsy, and that's what we're seeing.

1:16:00SpeakerThat's what really gave me that way of dealing with pain. Of course, the concentrates and the hashes and learning that extreme pain is where I had to start taking more and more for it. But you know what? I mean, everybody's going to find what works for them. But overall, yeah, cannabis is what completely saved my life and saves a lot of people. My neighbor, look at Mike right beside me.

1:16:23SpeakerEverybody knows Michael. I mean, diagnosed with bone cancer two years ago like yourself, Todd. Sent home basically to die and And three days before Christmas, he's in remission, cancer free. He's got, they can't find it in them anymore. So we're seeing more and more of this plant saving more and more people. Why? Because people are believing in the plant. Whereas before, no one was given the chance.

1:16:46SpeakerIt was like, it's just a drug. It's going to harm you, hurt you. So I think overall that alone, just that mindset, people wouldn't want to try it. Oh, it's just going to hurt me or it's just a drug, but now people realize it is a medicine and when you take medicine and you take it as a medicine, I think it affects you differently because your mind allows it to do its work.

1:17:08SpeakerI think Todd's a great example of the pharmaceuticals can help as well because like he was saying in a few, I don't know how many churches ago it was, but just with the chemo, you know, if there was no chemo, yeah, it definitely does a shitty thing to your body, but it also does a shitty thing to cancer, you know, and without that, you're not going to, you know, there's a big chance that you may not make it through that.

1:17:30SpeakerSo the cannabis is there to help you with the side effects of those things. And in my opinion, you know, it's definitely, we do need western medicine. We need lots of things that they have that necessarily aren't the greatest thing, you know, as far as the cannabis community is generally looking at it. But I think that the cannabis is there to help, but I also think that the pharmacy can definitely do better.

1:17:54SpeakerThank you for watching.

1:18:10SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:18:37Dr Mark ScialdoneBasically turns them into vegetables and basically cuts off their ability to develop and to concentrate and focus and even coming down off those opiates as you wean them over to cannabis medicines, the way that the body crashes off those are just horrible and the long-term side effects are, again, there's dependency issues with any opiates and You know, whether or not cannabis makes you dependent on it or anything like the way opiates do, I mean, there are receptors in our bodies that are hardwired for the molecules in the plant, and so you can argue that, yeah, we can certainly become chemically dependent, I guess, in a matter of speaking.

1:19:25SpeakerI always like to explain the difference between opiates and cannabis with the metaphoric visualization of, The endocannabinoid system working kind of like a block with 100 pins and a block with 100 holes. Now this represented your central nervous system and the block of holes represented your immune system. We go to put it together. If I removed 2 to 10% of those pins, put the blocks together, we still have electricity.

1:19:56SpeakerBut what happens is we have a deficiency in the way that we're signaling in our systems. And so opiates, if we turned it on a cut section and we looked at those pins that were missing, the visual that I always give is opiates go in there and tell the brain that those pathways or those holes at 2 to 10 percent, if you will, is missing, is not there to the brain.

1:20:24SpeakerLiterally blocks the communication where cannabinoids would go in. Thank you for joining us today.

1:21:03ChimeraOpioids have their own receptor system. Opioids have their own receptor system. Endorphins, when you go out and exercise and you get high, or you get high, you have the runner's high. You know, part of that's associated with opioids. Because endorphins bind to the opioid receptor.

1:21:20SpeakerWhich we call an atomine. Yeah, so when we get into... Shit, I know so much about... Oh, uh... The bindings of how cannabis works on the central nervous system is awesome and it works pre and post synapse. So the best thing about how cannabis is, like Tony's saying, I always say it's a master regulator to the central nervous system. It helps balance serotonin and dopamine, which is our pain and pleasure center.

1:21:44SpeakerSo I've always found that when I'm in my worst moods, cannabis brings me to that homeostasis where it gives me a balance. It doesn't get me high. It stabilizes me and I'm able to think properly and stuff like that. That's a lot of things I learned with Paul and dealing with Dr. Hornby. Where cannabis, most drugs like alcohol and opiates and stuff like that, they come with a nitrogen atom attached to it where cannabis attaches to that once it's in the central nervous system, once it hits the binding sites, what I kind of recall.

1:22:17SpeakerSo it's different in how it doesn't work as an addictive or as more maybe a dependent. You get used to it, but I've had to go without weed on several occasions. I don't go through withdrawals and I consume a lot. It's not something that I get sweaty from like I have coming off opiates or alcohol or off of other drugs. So I don't find that cannabis has any really addictive personalities as of coming off of withdrawal type symptoms.

1:22:44SpeakerWe've used it to come off of methadone. I've used it to come off of heavy opiates. I've used it to come off of all different things but I've never had to use, I've never had to Goal team withdrawals coming off of cannabis is per se of what I've gone through in my past and stuff like that. I've never had those symptoms. I went to Mexico and I went for nine days and when I left I had no weed and I had none there.

1:23:06SpeakerI didn't go through any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. It's not like I was like getting sick, sweating or puking or anything like that. So I find that there's no real tendency to cannabis other than that we like it. That's my opinion. Tony, I think it's a strong... Go ahead, dude. I was just going to say, I think it's more of a mental thing rather than a physical thing with cannabis.

1:23:29SpeakerI mean, myself, like you were saying, going on vacations and things like that, there was never like a, oh, you know, I'm fiending for it or anything like that. You know, I wasn't sick. There was no sweating. There was no vomiting. There was no anything like that. But there is definitely still a want there to consume cannabis. And that, you know, Thank you for watching.

1:24:09SpeakerGet such a strong positive response from cannabis that they don't believe it. They go off it and they crash so hard that it mimics a drug, basically like a drug crash that, like I've seen people like, what do you mean you went off it for two days? Like, oh, I'm shitting myself, this, this, and that, and I'm like... You know, if I was your parent, I would say that's because of the cannabis, but it's only because I'm educated.

1:24:32SpeakerI know it's, you gave your body a solution and then you pulled the rug out from under your feet. No wonder you feel flipped and tossed, but that's a bit different than when heroin is missing from your body and now it cannot complete the links without it.

1:24:48Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, yeah, I think that that is exactly the point. That's like one of the reasons why the molecule has such a prolonged half-life in your system, which is actually, I think we said this before, it's an evolved trait in humans. The fact that it readily deposits in oedipus tissue, even as the oxidized form, it's still active as a cannabinoid. You would think, again, it's pharmacokinetic profile being prolonged by continuous consumption.

1:25:23Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're continuously providing that intake of cannabinoids into your system, into your liver, into your adrenal function, which is what your kidneys do, which is basically clean out your blood. In the metabolism and absorption of the cannabinoids, That are happening in your system, yeah, when you say take the rug out from under you, you mean stop using or not consuming that particular formulation anymore to maintain that certain level of cannabinoids that are therapeutically effective for whatever the patient is taking it for, right?

1:26:01Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I would only assume that, again, if you're taking this orally, you've got to remember that in the gut, things are totally digested. In the liver, Then oxidized, so they're going to two chemical factories before they end up in your... I mean, they're absorbed all throughout in your bloodstream, all throughout that process, but certainly at the end, you're talking about oxidized versions of what you put into your body and that those do have a half-life in fat, which is the reason why it stays in the blood level for so long.

1:26:39SpeakerWell, Horatio, I think there's two things to that that you're saying. Let's use an example of a patient that has epilepsy that uses microdosing, three-to-one, non-active, whole plant medicine, sublingual, like one of our P2s, you know, that we talked about before. And let's say they found that using 20 to 25 milligrams gave them a 90% effectiveness.

1:27:08SpeakerAnd then they just decided to go off of it. So if we look at like we were fine-tuning and repairing the way the central nervous system was communicating and responding to that condition, and it was almost as if it was regenerating or filling it in as a supplement and you take it away, and we see the condition come back, that is common among a lot of patients.

1:27:35SpeakerAnd then there's the other condition that I've personally seen before with some patients when I was in Colorado, actually. And I think Cuban had brought this up with his wife before, which is Cannabis Hypermesis Syndrome. And that is a really strange one. And that is, I've seen that happen to two different people that were younger and You started to smoke high levels of concentrates, you know, half a gram a day, a gram a day or more, and then decided to stop smoking.

1:28:15SpeakerAnd that, I don't like to use the word dependency, but what I see that as is your system, if you have an endocannabinoid system that's functioning healthy and it's not clinically deficient, But it's a healthy functioning endocannabinoid system. And you pump yourself full of concentrates constantly, then your body adapts just like it adapts to pain and other types of drugs that you're taking. It says to yourself, oh, why am I producing these levels when you're giving me such high levels?

1:28:49SpeakerAnd then that starts to shut down. And so the endocannabinoid system almost goes like on vacation. Oh, well, if you're going to smoke a half a gram to a gram a day, I'm just going to go on vacation because you're already supplying so much to me. And then you pull that away and you see people that have really strange responses. I call it like the mermaid syndrome where all of a sudden you constantly feel like you have to be in water, you have to bathe.

1:29:20SpeakerThese are signs of what People would consider withdrawal or dependency, but it's really a shutdown of that system and your body looking to replace that. And it could take a month, it could take six months, but it's a serious thing. People need to know about it. I think if people don't understand how it works on a medical level and how it can work on a heavy recreational level, then they're just like turning a blind eye.

1:29:49SpeakerBut, you know, it could be like a 1%, maybe 2%. You know, it's not like everyone's going to experience that. You know, Tony, I don't know if there's any real science that points to the measurement of our endocannabinoid systems activity with supplementing cannabinoids into our system. I mean, I don't know of anything that actually measures that. I get where you're coming from, but I mean, after prison, man, I've sat around, watched a lot of people detox from a lot of different chemicals.

1:30:23SpeakerYou know, guys couldn't get soda. They would freak out over sugar. And I don't know, cannabis just, I think our endocannabinoid system, if it does suffer from us smoking weed, it rebounds real fast. I mean, because we don't suffer real withdrawals from it at all. I mean, we miss it. Todd, I kind of guess it mixes when I don't have recreational draw. People are like, do you want a dab?

1:30:49SpeakerI'm like, I don't care. But there's like, I've developed this problem in my sciatica where between three and five o'clock, I'll just think I'm getting tired. And then at a certain point, I'll fall on the floor and I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, what the fuck's happening? And if I don't put my transdermal balm on my back, I'm not getting up for the day. I can either get up in 20 minutes and go help my wife chop a whole tree down when I put the bomb on, or I don't, and I look at that compared to when I have the same magnesium deficiency, and I'm just going along and all of a sudden I'm like, oh my god, my head, holy shit, oh my god, I need magnesium, I'll kill you if you don't help me find magnesium.

1:31:26SpeakerI particularly run out of those nutrients very, very fast. I can see how certain deficiencies, just like alcoholism, They become such a chemical need to fulfill the pain that I experience in my back. is so extreme and so sudden that I won't run out of my bomb now and I never took patients that were like I need this I need more seriously I'm like you need a bomb like life or death are you serious like there's so many other ways until I realize I don't have to eat it I don't have to wait an hour and a half it's a 20 minute I have to compete with naproxen which is what someone might want to shove in your face if this happened in a department store so I've started to take You know, kind of like, it's not withdrawal, but...

1:32:12SpeakerIt's like when you find hope, when hope goes missing, you freak the fuck out in whatever way that manifests, and it looks just like the drugs that force you into that state. And I guess that's kind of like when Tony takes it to the extreme of that hypermesis, I'm like, oh yeah, I totally get it. If I didn't wait until I ran out of certain nutrients, I wouldn't know how my diet is doing.

1:32:33SpeakerIf I just kept taking vitamin pills and never actually adjusting my nutrition, so people can blow it. Well, you know, what if this? You know, like the way Mark was saying that when he had his first moment with cannabis, it wasn't like he had to think of it if it worked. It was an epiphany almost. Physical, emotional, spiritual, it all clicked. And, you know, what if we, the people that are most drawn to cannabis, Are the ones that maybe have problems with our endocannabinoid system working as well for us because there are people around me that don't smoke cannabis and they're happy and balanced and they're running great lives and they're artists and they're doing their thing.

1:33:08SpeakerThey don't smoke weed and I still love them. And the reality is maybe it could be just what we're dealing with is maybe when we can measure our endocannabinoid system we'll see that us potheads were the ones that kind of needed it like a vitamin our body didn't make. Tamara, what do you think of that?

1:33:27ChimeraI'm sorry, dude. I wasn't listening. I was reading something.

1:33:30SpeakerThat's honest.

1:33:31ChimeraSorry, dude.

1:33:31SpeakerMy point was is that maybe we have endocrinology. There's always no clinical. Sorry. Sorry about that. Go ahead. Go ahead, Tony. I was just saying, you said there was no clinical. I just provided the clinical evidence in what we were talking about in the NCBI. The measurement of our endocannabinoid system, there's no real way to measure our endocannabinoid system in the way that it responds right now.

1:33:54SpeakerThere's not like a voltage meter, hypothetically, we can plug in and go, look at our endocannabinoid system now shutting down because he's doing a bong hit. Yeah, that's not what I was saying. What it was is exactly what you were actually saying. We're saying the same thing. If you have one of those... Those people that are functioning happy and fine and there's nothing wrong. And imagine you put them on a gram a day and now their system, let's say over a six month period, and that system now, and it's something new.

1:34:23SpeakerThey were exposed to cannabis, something went recreational, they got into tabbing, they start smoking a gram a day. I'm not saying this happens to like 95% of the people. This is like a very, It's a very small, very rare situation, and it generally is over within 48 hours. But what happens is that you saturate that system. That system kind of goes on vacation. If you immediately stop dabbing, just decided to detox right away, in that 1% to 3% of that population that you're studying, that could happen.

1:35:01SpeakerAnd it's cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. And I didn't know about it. I didn't really understand it until I saw it happen to a few people and a friend of mine, and it happened to Cuban's wife, too. So that's all I was saying. It's not like we don't have a way to measure that, but that's what the evidence I see points to of why that would happen. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of factors and stuff that can make people sick and have bad reactions to things, too.

1:35:30SpeakerYou know, it's... You know, as a kid who was sick, I mean, I think that sometimes it's hard to, you know, people, why'd you get cancer? You know, it's really not that easy to point to why sometimes things happen to us when, you know, you factor in food and other, you know, pollutants that we're dealing with, breathing in, being around. You know, there's so many reasons that we can have, and until we can really measure what cannabinoids are doing,

1:35:56BubblemanWell, I mean, I call it a bioassay, and I think it's pretty real when you're having seizures and then you stop having seizures. And I think that the cannabis hypermesis is also very specific things that occur that are so strange. That I can't imagine that the connection with cannabis that seems to always be there when these people are having like 20 showers a day and vomiting for like hours on end.

1:36:30BubblemanIt's very, just very strange that those same sort of side effects seem to occur each and every time that you hear one of these cases. I also have a firm belief that it is a reality. Anything amazing, anything that's You know, regulating your entire system could definitely, for the same example, be incredible and amazing for 99% of the population. You've got to think that it's well within the realm of possibility that for this very small percentage of people that it might not be their thing.

1:37:04SpeakerTrue to that, and you know, now that we're able to consume cannabinoids, In such high doses, you know, it does take it into a different conversational plateau. And I mean, I've said over and over again that I personally believe that extracts have showed us safety and effectivity. I mean, effectivity in ways if you have chronic pain, you could change smoke joints or you could do a few dabs.

1:37:26SpeakerAnd then safety that, you know, we are flooding our bodies with cannabinoids and it seems to be having a relatively positive effect on everybody who does. So far, very few people are actually checking into the ER, and I know of no people overdosing or dying because they are over-dabbing. No.

1:37:46BubblemanI've only heard of the weird, like, bath and vomit thing.

1:37:50SpeakerYeah, that's, like I said, this is, and I saw, as a bud tender, I'd see, you know, 10,000 patients five years ago, and I hung out with everybody, so this is, we're talking... One, two people out of, say, 100,000 people. I would also like to know what they inhaled, too, because I'm not a big fan of glycerin, and I'm not a big fan of artificial terpenes, if we're going to talk about it.

1:38:17SpeakerPeople that are coming in and dousing their CO2 oil with shit that makes it smell and taste different. I'm not a fan of that, and we don't know the effects that could be having on a small population of our community members. The three people that I know that had it, two of them, And it's a good point. Two of them, and this was years ago, so two of them happened to have that when I would say it probably wasn't the greatest BHO.

1:38:44SpeakerYou know, when there was still open blasting and it was just, in my opinion, a little dirtier. These chemical sensitivities are real. People could be running into it. They could also be running into mold and pathogens that are causing them to trip. What about Cuban's wife, though? She's puffing on 99.999% super clean. That's why I said mold, bro, because it doesn't have to be hydrocarbons. Mold can make you sicker than hydrocarbons.

1:39:10SpeakerI ride motorcycles after you. You get behind buses. We breathe in a lot of stuff that I'd prefer not to breathe in. And we make it through. I mean, but you don't want to get in an exhaust tube of mold going into your lungs. You know, it's way more helpful.

1:39:25BubblemanYou've been hashed. I smoked it. I photographed it with my macro lens as well. No, no, no, no, no. Don't generalize everything a brother does because, I'm not generalizing. I'm just saying that, And you don't know what else.

1:39:36SpeakerShe could have had somebody else's stuff and picked up something. It's not like you turn everything down of every nice person that hands you stuff. Well, you have 99.99% you do, actually. She was,

1:39:50SpeakerOkay, and you know, man, you've done a lot of people just to be polite to them. I mean, we've smoked in social settings where you've been very considerate of other people that were trying to be nice to you, so it happens.

1:40:03BubblemanYeah, I mean, I just smoke people's nice hash, and if it's anything less, I just say no, and I've been doing it for decades.

1:40:10SpeakerAnd Todd, the situation, like, there's very specific things that happen to those particular people, and she was smoking a gram and a half of 99% a day, by the way. Big, big, big number. And so there's things that are very specific, like they constantly bathe. The person I knew, I was like, are you going to turn into a mermaid? People are going to think you're a mermaid, you know, because it's like the person wanted to be in water the whole time, constantly dry heaving, yakking, And like I said, this is a 48-hour experience.

1:40:51SpeakerVery, very, very rare would it go to like months, six months. But it is a clinical condition that's been reviewed. I value your opinion if you feel that maybe it is wrong as well. I have those reactions sometimes to things that are presented to me. Mark presented some. I don't mean it. I don't mean it. Listen, I just don't, I don't, we're always right with medicine, Tony.

1:41:15SpeakerYou know, they call it practicing medicine. You know, they treated my disease really aggressively for 16 years of my life, and then medicine had an epiphany. Ooh, we're screwing up. And I've lived with this. And I get that they're just learning all the time. And it's not to be rude about things. It's just that that's the way medicine works. We're adaptive technology at best. And I think it's hard when something's so rare to come to such solid conclusions that XYZ caused this when it's happening in so few people.

1:41:45SpeakerThere's no real studies that are going on. This is what I mean. I mean, I don't doubt. In a sense, it's possible. I just, you know, until we know cause and effect, it's hard to make these, you know, this is what it is.

1:41:59Etienne FontanRight. I had a roommate I lived with, and she had cyclical vomiting syndrome because she was pregnant, or even sometimes when she wasn't pregnant. And the only thing that would work would be dabbing or doing high-level concentrates to help. So it's different people, different folks, different situations, so. I've seen cyclical vomiting, but I've not heard of it being triggered by cannabis. People have allergic reactions to cannabis, period.

1:42:31Etienne FontanThis is where we still need research and studies, and I know the doctors on the panel will absolutely agree. We need to, especially those that are having these type of reactions, we need to study them, study the adverse reaction. That's why, again, we have adverse reaction forums, because we want to know if you have an adverse reaction to cannabis and some sort of other medication, we want to understand that so that we can communicate that to the other patient base.

1:42:53Etienne FontanThis is where I think we have a responsibility as, you know, I'm not A real scientist, but I play one on TV.

1:43:02Dr Mark ScialdoneSo many processes in biology are governed by these switches. Think of it like a switch. It either turns on and turns off, and there's various chemical signals that are responsible for turning those switches on and off. For example, something that I know a little bit about, which is angiogenesis, which is the formation of new blood vessels from existing blood vessels. The way this happens biologically is the switch is turned on, and that's because biologically there's a buildup of pro-angiogenic factors that outweigh the anti-angiogenic factors.

1:43:43Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so I think what happens with cannabinoids is that certain switches that cannabinoids control It's different for different people whether or not it's a deficiency or whether or not perhaps they have some other kind of secondary response with the cannabinoids or, again, synergized by whatever interaction that the terpenes may or may not have. That certainly can give you different effects with different people where, again, one thing could be used to control nausea and you know from, you know, Mishulam's work with pediatric cases and certainly a lot of anecdotal information is that for most people, cannabis and cannabis treatments are used to control nausea, but this whole hypermesis thing, again, might play to this fact that There's a subtle switch in the body and sometimes the switch can be turned on and sometimes it could be turned off.

1:44:41Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd how you weight it with cannabinoids is going to be different for different people. And just because it's like weighted one way for one individual may not be weighted another way for another individual because of these subtle switches that sometimes exist in the body and particularly in biology.

1:45:00SpeakerSo we could all be overdosing on our own vitamin D or vitamin C in a way and You know, even though we're enjoying it, we could be giving our body technically more than we need of a specific cannabinoid in all reality. I have a friend who has, she's over here quite a bit, Tony talked to her, and what really works for her is really is the clear.

1:45:24SpeakerThat seems to be what's helping her, and she gets into, she gets sick, she gets sick for five days, and she gets so dehydrated. I've witnessed it, I've been there, and I've seen what helps her I use Reclaim, it seems to work, High CBM, and the Clear, but other things. It's interesting what's going to help, but I'm actually helping someone who has this particular condition, and I'm really trying to find out what's going to work, and I'm finding that these are some key things that work for her, is the Reclaim from all of my concentrates, what's going to be Rosin or Bubble Hash, and the Clear.

1:45:59SpeakerThose are two things that are working for her. And that are helping her like the last couple times she wasn't sick for like five days, she was only sick for two days. Stuff like that. So it is interesting that just one of them making mention of that and what's helping her right now.

1:46:15Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean the immediate binding and very large dose that you can get like in a dab of the CB1 receptors, I mean is going to cause immediately that high that we feel, the high you feel when you dab, Certainly has all kinds of sort of prophylactic effects throughout the body. You would imagine, again, by lowering blood pressure, by being able to make sure that the body's maintaining homeostasis.

1:46:44Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd maybe that euphoric feeling that we feel is just like that happy side effect. So the body is letting us know that you're protected.

1:46:54ChimeraYeah, but that's just CB1. The endocannabinoid system is an incredibly complex system with multiple receptor subtypes and ligands. It's not just CB1. It's much, much more complicated than that. So, you also got to keep in mind too that all these things are proteins and they're regulated by genes. Right. And different people have different genes. So, you might have a mutation in one part of a gene in a cannabinoid receptor or, for example, the TRPV receptors, which are the vanilloid receptors.

1:47:28ChimeraWhich are also bound by cannabinoids. So, you know, there's going to be a small subset of people in the population that have deficiencies in the system. And, you know, tweaking it or driving it either with dabs or with CBD even or, you know, any cannabinoid. We don't really, we don't understand all the effects of all this stuff. So, you know, there's a lot of science to be done.

1:47:52BubblemanI can definitely say this, and I'd only experienced it once in my life, and it was my one and only roommate, but he was very quiet, he was very like just introverted, and when he moved in with me and he started smoking like a fiend the way I smoked like insane amounts all day every day, It seemed to mentally unravel him.

1:48:15ChimeraYeah, and I've had a friend the same way.

1:48:18BubblemanHe just went down and down and down and down and down. It wasn't until years later that he got off all, like he ended up on all sorts of really bad drugs. Cannabis just seemed to take him into a dark place that he then would go forth and do all these other things. I saw him years later and he wasn't using cannabis or anything at that point and it just seemed like...

1:48:40BubblemanHe was one of those anomalies that maybe that was best for him, because I'll tell you, I witnessed it firsthand. Just the negative thought patterns that seemed to be the complete and total opposite of what I got from it, and I was just like, I couldn't get enough of it, and then here's him next to me doing the same thing, but like...

1:49:00SpeakerThere seems to be people that were like, I have friends that I'm like, dude, you don't understand. I want to share this with you. I'm really good at what I do. And he's like, you don't understand. I'm like, what happened to when you were 16? Did you become the weed kids that listen to the bad music and just head downwards into other drugs? He's like, yeah. I'm like, Thank you for watching.

1:49:52SpeakerNow you're talking about people that are in a different situation. I mean, if you're dealing with mental difficulties and such, I mean, just like cancer, it wasn't my choice as a two-year-old to be sick. You know what I'm saying? People are dealing with stuff that you can't see, and cannabis may not be the right path for everybody, but it seems to help a lot of us. That's for sure.

1:50:16SpeakerThe majority, I would say. Yeah, and I don't, and you know, Tony, totally, I appreciate you sharing the links and stuff, and I was reading stuff. And I totally think that there could be environmental variables that you can't take in. They were doing one thing in common, but they could have all bumped into something else that caused this to happen. And I don't know, with the millions and millions of people smoking weed, it surely seems like there's not that many people bumping into this.

1:50:43ChimeraNo, it's not a stretch that it does happen, though. I mean, man, cannabis doesn't just regulate... A few systems in the body, it's a huge global regulator. So, you know, when people have deficiencies in other parts of their, you know, biochemical makeup, it doesn't always act the same way on everybody. So, you know, I know we all love to talk about the great effects of cannabis and they're true, but it's also not great for everyone.

1:51:06ChimeraAnd I've definitely also seen people that really, you know, really fell apart when using heavy amounts of cannabis too. So... It's just a reality. We've got to talk about these things honestly, and it doesn't always have to be a search for something else that did it.

1:51:21SpeakerWell, I think Mark and Todd said it well. It's like if you are new to cannabis and you're a patient, you start with micro-dabbing or micro-dosing or capsules or whatever it is that you have, edibles or even, like John was saying, the clear, and you find something that works, There's a little indicator in your body that's like, yeah, I feel good. It's working. So it's telling you.

1:51:46SpeakerYour body is responding, saying, yeah, this is great. And for the majority of the people that I run into, and there's probably not, I couldn't find four people, by the way, Mark, that don't, that I know that don't, that have never tried cannabis or used cannabis. Never. So we're talking about a population that exists outside my world, but there's somebody out there, and there's people out there that don't use cannabis for a reason, and I've met them too, like Horatio said, oh, you must have just had a bad edible, and they're like, no, dude, I can't smoke with you.

1:52:24SpeakerI go insane. And I'm like, what do you mean you go insane? And I'll smoke with them or I'll dab with them, and they will go insane. It will fish out. And I'm like, okay, maybe cannabis isn't your thing. And so there's people that are out there. So I think you've got to listen to your body. And if you feel good and you feel happy and you're a person in the recreational world for the first time trying cannabis and it makes you feel good in your If you're excited and you're creative and you're hungry and you pick up the guitar and you're more friendlier and you're not as mean of a person, cannabis is probably for you.

1:53:07SpeakerIf you smoke cannabis and you get mean or your reality changes or something makes you pissed off, it's probably not for you.

1:53:18BubblemanI go with the bioassay myself. You know, there may not be a machine out there that monitors our endocannabinoid system, but I'll tell you, my bioassay is pretty fucking damn well on point.

1:53:30SpeakerMy bioassay tells me quite the opposite. If I don't consume large amounts of cannabinoids and different delivery methods, then I become an asshole. And that's just a fact. Like, I am not a good person, and And I don't feel normal. I just don't feel normal. I have to start my day off every day with cannabis. Otherwise, I'm not a good or happy person. You're totally killing me right now.

1:53:59SpeakerIt's like, how many children in their whole childhoods are just little pricks because they have an endocannabinoid deficiency? You know, what parents really need is cannabinoid infants relief all the way through until adulthood, right? All the kids would be happy, sharing their lunch, eating their food. They should just fog the entire playground where all those kids are hitting each other in the head with toys. Just a guy comes through with a big fogger and settle down you little shits and learn to love.

1:54:25SpeakerThey prescribe Adderall.

1:54:36Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's what they do. The only other active ingredient is methamphetamine. They can hook that amphetamines to be getting them hooked on meth. Dr. See how that makes, Dr.

1:54:47SpeakerInstead of giving the kids all that other stuff, let them have little cannabis brownies for recess. Dr. Yeah, I would say this. If you had a bunch of kids, and you exposed them to, say, a sublingual of cannabis, and you had one out of the school that wanted to be a mermaid, You single that one out and you say, look, cannabis isn't for you. You're going to turn into a mermaid.

1:55:11SpeakerAnd the rest of the kids, you seem to be doing all right. Hey, it might be one out of 100 schools, too, that goes the mermaid route, too, by the way. Yeah, you know, it might be like that. But what Mark's saying is absolutely right, which I never understood. If I have attention deficit conditions or I'm hyper, why would I take some kind of small dose of methamphetamine?

1:55:33SpeakerI mean, I would think that that would... It focuses you.

1:55:37ChimeraIt's the same reason they give it to pilots. They give it to the military pilots, right? It focuses them, stops them from getting tired.

1:55:44BubblemanMy heart surgeons and brain surgeons do clinical speed.

1:55:48SpeakerThat's what cannabis does for me. It actually focuses me. They gave it to us on the front lines. I would take it on the front lines. I would take a lot of it on the front lines.

1:55:59BubblemanTony on math on the front lines.

1:56:02ChimeraI would fucking venture to say that's probably what's contributing to PTSD. Give a bunch of people fucking time and put them in an insane environment like that.

1:56:10Etienne FontanOh my god. Oh yeah, 18 hours out, 18 hours awake, and then 6 hours of guard duty. Trust me, you needed that shit.

1:56:18SpeakerYeah. I'm not sure if anyone saw the link I put up in the chat there about, we were just talking about the negative effects of cannabis, but there seems to be, and I read this maybe I don't know, it must have been a couple of months ago, but there's apparently a hormone in the brain called, sorry for my pronunciation, Pregnalone?

1:56:40ChimeraPregnalone, yeah.

1:56:42SpeakerAnd it's supposed to actually stop the overdose of cannabis. So maybe the people that are having these adverse effects and are going a little bit, you know, crazy as they would say, could that be possibly something is their brain isn't producing that hormone as much and they're not getting the same benefits as we are?

1:56:58ChimeraWe're looking at a system with a thousand targets and we're talking about three. You know, like, and everybody is different in every single biological pathway. You know, you and your ancestors have one genetic predisposition, and everybody else on the panel has a different one. When you start looking at any organizm and genes, you see variation in the genes, and this is one thing medicinal genomics is starting to do.

1:57:24ChimeraThey're sequencing the Cannabinoid related genes and they've got a panel of like 50 or 60 genes that they're looking at and looking for variations in these genes and how they can impact, you know, or they can be correlated to different things. And as we start to get way, way, way more data on all this kinds of shit, we're going to find all these correlations that we just can't see now because we're not, you know, we don't have the information.

1:57:52SpeakerI guess because you guys brought up a couple of freaky points, does anybody know, like, I live in an area where I moved to this coast and I'm like, what is this crystal meth thing? Why are people, what's with the zombie town? Are there any drugs that went out in the 80s that were really popular for children that then leave those people with a craving that I don't know about because I wasn't on drugs, but like, were there any...

1:58:17SpeakerLike, it was the rise of ADHD and when we first started psychoanalyzing our kids. Is there anything that was prevalent that created this generation of meth addicts?

1:58:26Dr Mark ScialdoneRiddle it. Lemon 714s from Roar Pharmaceutical, right? Boy, those things were great. Who remembers Quaaludes? Raise your hand.

1:58:40SpeakerI'm not the Bill Cosby generation.

1:58:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI must be old. Hi, Mary. I'm Mark.

1:58:47SpeakerHow old are you? That's my mom's shit, dude. I know what it is because I remember Tommy Chong with the 714 shirt, but, dude, no way.

1:58:57Dr Mark ScialdoneHow old are you? You look like 100. I guess I'm old. Well, Sam's got me by a few years, so I know he's definitely the old guy on the panel, or Sam dropped off. I don't know. I mean, it was interesting because if you drank on those were downers, and if you drank on them, I do know one guy who went too far in that direction and checked out in that kind of way.

1:59:22Dr Mark ScialdoneHe had drank a few beers, or I think they were actually drinking hard alcohol, ended up drinking or doing a couple Quaaludes, and then he checked out. He never came back. So yeah, it was one of those things where it was around for maybe like the late 70s and early 80s, but I think they came back generically. The active ingredient is still out there. That was an interesting ride.

1:59:48Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's kind of like you took this pill and then the next thing you know it's 24 hours later. You don't recall anything like what just transpired for the last 24 hours.

1:59:58SpeakerIt's kind of an interesting... Did people just take that to control their cocaine high?

2:00:06Dr Mark ScialdoneQuaaludes, I don't recall actually what they were actually brought out to do. There's kind of like a barbiturate of

2:00:15SpeakerI grew up with lingo like, you know, if you need to calm down, Papa Quaalude. And I'm like, why would you calm down? I just hear the words and I'm like, why is he saying it so cool? No concept, but I remember the word Quaalude because it's weird. And I remember it just being like, chill man, Papa Quaalude, casually, but you don't hear the part where the guy's going crazy on coke.

2:00:37SpeakerThat's from the Jordan Belford story there. You see him going down with the ship there and he drives back in only to get the Quaaludes. He doesn't get any of his other shit, no money, nothing. He just gets the bag of Ludes, get the Ludes. Crazy, man.

2:00:53Dr Mark ScialdoneExactly.

2:00:55SpeakerIt must be highly addictive, that's all I can say.

2:00:57Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, they were, people loved it. It was a good party drug for sure.

2:01:03Etienne FontanThey no longer exist, correct?

2:01:04Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't think so. I think they exist generically. I don't think the company that used to make them was up here in Pennsylvania somewhere, Rohr Pharmaceuticals. Rohr, R-O-H-R-E-R, I think, or something like that. Rohr Pharmaceuticals. And yeah, Lemon 714s. They were a legendary drug. It was a fun one to have around, that's for sure.

2:01:29BubblemanNot in the legends I was reading.

2:01:32SpeakerYeah, I met the guy that one time had walked when we were in Denver in our facility. He was walking and we had given a lot of tours, but this one guy was the guy responsible for the Quaid Lude and was in the generic business now. But it's definitely a barbiturate and it's not one you want to mix with alcohol or other drugs.

2:01:59ChimeraIt's not a barbiturate, it's a sedative hypnotic.

2:02:04Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I think it's a benzo, isn't it?

2:02:06ChimeraNo, it's a faculone, it's a totally different drug. It was a sedative hypnotic. So it's not a benzo? I think it acts on GABA, so it's like, yeah, benzos also act on GABA, but this is, I don't... No, that's right, I think that I remember, it does fuck with the GABA receptors. Yeah.

2:02:29SpeakerI don't even notice what the preludes are.

2:02:33Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, it is not a benzo. Yeah, it's just some... Yeah, that doesn't work.

2:02:40ChimeraRemember the quinazoline? Yeah. Quinazolinone, yeah, that's what it is.

2:02:45Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's time to hit some fucking bowls. It doesn't look very... No longer legally acceptable. It doesn't look like something you want to dab, does it? It's a scheduled one. Yeah.

2:02:55SpeakerIt's a Schedule 1. It's no longer available. No longer legal.

2:03:03ChimeraIt suppresses breathing and all this shit. I mean, they used to have a whole bunch of drugs like that.

2:03:08SpeakerHere's their stuff here on thedrugs.com. This is why they originally thought it was a sedative. Here's like a little description. It says, Quaaludes promotes relaxation. Sleepiness is sometimes a feeling of euphoria. Causes drop in blood pressure and slows the pulse rate. These properties are the reason why it was initially thought to be useful, sedative, and it's electric.

2:03:34ChimeraAnzealytic. Anzealytic. That means it relieves anxiety.

2:03:38SpeakerYeah. So I guess the new age version of that is all these people popping Xanaxes like it's a fucking candy.

2:03:46Dr Mark ScialdoneXani bars. Those are awesome.

2:03:49SpeakerYeah, I like, those are like one of my favorites. Rule number one is I don't ever date anyone that's into Xanax. No shit. Dude.

2:04:02BubblemanTrying to avoid a charge, huh? She's a great girl. It's just that she eats the bars.

2:04:08SpeakerYeah. You know, she had a half a bar. She had a couple drinks, and she fucking lost it. She fucking tore everything up. She shadowed my dad.

2:04:19BubblemanShe doesn't remember shit. Damn. That's scary shit.

2:04:26SpeakerFor all the people who are like, how did this turn into drug church, you have to realize all of these drugs are just the whacked out, you know, gross versions of the side effects from common drugs, because I'm seeing how many people are questioning what they're on as they hear side effects, like they're like, wait a minute, I need water, I need lots of water, but And then they name their drug, and I don't know what the drug is, but there is even learning in getting the side effects of these major drugs.

2:04:55SpeakerThen that's why I asked, I'm like, wait a minute, so children are on the same thing that the soldiers were on, but in a different way for a different reason. Oh, that will cause some problems. Maybe that explains this generation's, because I don't understand pill addiction. It's not, it's like a middle country thing in my mind. It's not an East Coast thing. I don't understand lean, I don't understand scissor, that's all a southern thing.

2:05:18SpeakerIt's not a choice I guess people make. People just choose alcoholism like where I'm from. So when I see these crazy pill addictions, it gets really heart-wrenching because even when you hear it from your cannabis people like, yeah, I love cannabis but I still haven't found a solution for this or this or like all the things John could have chosen but he's a stronger person so they haven't found that yet.

2:05:45SpeakerIt gets daunting. Like, I start to feel more compassion for drug users because if they were given something as a child that's made them prone to this shit when they're a teenager and desperate for it, they really, it's out of their hands. Well, and us being from Canada too, Horatio, you gotta think as well. It's probably a lot easier for people to get liquor I didn't see LSD until I was 27 years old.

2:06:06SpeakerI'm like, that's that thing, huh? Those tabs? Don't touch me! Yeah.

2:06:35BubblemanDamn, I don't know about that. I saw that shit way before that, and man, I'll tell you, thanks to Peter and Nick Sands there, they built a beautiful lab up here in Vancouver, and they rocked the shit out of that lab for a decade plus, pumping kilos of DMT and pure crystal LSD and all sorts of other compounds like 2C-B and MDMA and

2:07:04SpeakerDid they produce liquid LSD in maybe 2007, 2006?

2:07:10BubblemanThey were crystal and from crystal you could take it and make it into liquid so it was always crystal.

2:07:18SpeakerThe only time I've ever used that was from a liquid and it was by accident. My friend at the time had an old Visine bottle that he would drip onto candy or onto rolling papers or something like that. I was just a young guy. I was like 16 years old. My mom called me. She's like, oh, you know, dinner's ready. Everyone's coming over. And sure enough, I was like, hey, you guys got some Visine because I was all stoned.

2:07:45SpeakerDripped a couple drips in there and it was quite the night. Oh my God, dude. It was a wrap. So you did the LSD to the eyes? Yeah, two drops in each eye. It was a scary, scary, scary experience, I have to say.

2:08:01BubblemanThat's how you do it in your eyes though, you know. I've seen guys do both paper and micro dot and you can just see their eyes all red because they put this object in their eye. This is growing up in Winnipeg for you. So, you know, I'll say one more quick story. A friend of mine, when I bought my house about six years ago, he was over at my house and he showed up with another friend and He's kind of like, he pulls this thing out of his pocket, this fucking, man, I'm talking like, you know, like a big giant bottle, basically.

2:08:30BubblemanAnd he was like, oh, did you want to do some acid tonight? And I'm like, yeah, right. And I grab it from him and I pretend to take the cap off and drink it and he just turns white. And man, I have to say I got pretty mad at him for bringing that much LSD into my house. It was like thousands of fucking grams of liquid LSD, like thousands upon thousands.

2:08:49BubblemanI think it was like two grams. I'm glad I didn't actually get to lit it off and spray it all over my face because that was the night I took control of this house that I bought and it was also Halloween and we also had a 200 person plus party with like the DJ on one area and the live band on the other area and like people serving and it was off the chain.

2:09:16BubblemanI'm very glad I didn't end up super dosed for that party.

2:09:20SpeakerSo you shouldn't have been mad at him. You should have been thankfully trying to bring enough for everybody. He brought enough for everybody, bro. My whole neighborhood.

2:09:28BubblemanI was kind of like, dude, like, what the fuck are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm just doing a friend a favor. I'm like, bro, you are too old to be doing favors like that.

2:09:39SpeakerAll right.

2:09:40BubblemanBomb rip.

2:09:42SpeakerBomb rip.

2:09:43BubblemanI can do that.

2:09:47SpeakerYou know what, guys? I mean, I did well coming off all those pharmaceutical drugs, but I did a lot of research, and this is some stuff I found back in 2008. And I did research on the central nervous system, everything to deal with, we were talking about receptors, cannabis works off the Villanova receptor. These are all the different things that I researched and how it was helping me.

2:10:07SpeakerI learned more about dopamine, learned more about the 5-HTP receptor, and just all the information I kept researching and understanding how cannabis helped me. I learned about nicotine receptors and all the different neurotransmitters and stuff like that. So there's lots of things. It wasn't just me smoking weed or anything. I did a lot of research behind it and learned how the pharmaceutical drugs were affecting me, and then I learned

2:10:36Etienne FontanYou're lying, John. You're just kidding.

2:10:38SpeakerYou said you had started with just smoking weed. Oh, I definitely started with smoking weed, you know, but after I got hurt, then I really had to find out more about it.

2:10:49BubblemanHow old were you when you got hurt? I was 33. I fell in 2005. So you'd already been puffing for like 25 years.

2:10:57SpeakerYeah, well before that I was using it because I had a dump truck come on in 1991. So I've been using candles for pain for a long time. I've been using it my whole life. You know, my friends are on other pharmaceutical drugs like all of these SSRIs and Ritalins and stuff like that. And I was puffing herb young probably. Best thing I ever did was use cannabis.

2:11:21BubblemanBut you still ended up using pharmaceutical drugs and you kind of got heavily addicted to oxygen.

2:11:28Speaker100%. I mean, there was different times in my life that, I mean, I didn't really realize how cannabis was truly a medicine until after my accident. So before that, I just, I kind of just got through and smoked it and always used it as a recreational drug. But as I got older, I realized it was more medicinal for me my whole life, right? For sure.

2:11:46BubblemanIt's great, dude. It's good to be... The understanding earlier than later, that's for sure.

2:11:52SpeakerBut, you know, it's all that research that everybody else is watching. Google is such an awesome place. Just type in cannabinoids and start clicking on all the different links and see how it works with your condition. Research what you're going through and seeing what drugs they put you on and then do more research on what those drugs are doing to you and take a look how Cannabis can work in the same kind of pathways.

2:12:17SpeakerThat's kind of basically where my education came from, was learning how to deal with my own condition.

2:12:30Etienne FontanBack when I first was diagnosed with Belforcin, my doctor recommended cannabis. There was no way to find any information at all whatsoever. It was beyond frustrating. And if you went to a library, if you looked for any books, all the cannabis books were already stolen from the library. So, you know, I'm very thankful that there's places of technology accessible like Google and Arrowhead and all kinds of other accessible, you know, access databases, including, you know, from PubMed now for you doctors out there so that you can look at, you know, latest studies and You know, as laymen can also go out and learn and educate ourselves as well because we've all had to self-educate ourselves because we, I mean, for myself, like Todd, I mean, it was not much reading except for that Woman's Day article back in the day, Todd.

2:13:20Etienne FontanSo we knew from our experience that this was helping us. You know, it was causing us to be motivated. So I'm so thankful that there's access and information because it was... It was very dark and depressing for me to, one, deal with my condition, then find a medicine that worked, then to try to find anything besides high times, you know, regarding cannabis information was, you know, frustrating.

2:13:54BubblemanWe've got to give it up for being the ones that were pushing the NFL above some of the information. Nonetheless, you know, it's easy to hate on high times, but man, back in the day, you When they were the only game in town, it was definitely nice to just have that one magazine for us.

2:14:11SpeakerI was going to say, when you guys are talking, I'm like, holy shit, I feel like I didn't use the internet until three years ago sometimes because I just didn't learn in that direction, but... Yeah, High Times was like the Bible. It was all that was possible. Like I remember when I came into science class and I ripped off the cover of my High Times like, check this out, dude.

2:14:35SpeakerThis is High Times. And the guy said, I've never seen that much weed in my life and I'm a drug dealer. And I don't know, I must have been 14. And it was like this crazy book of possibilities, like Thank you for watching.

2:15:03SpeakerThey really, really, really, I guess, for the average person, were everything. But now I'm scared, like with extracts and all those things, I'm like, oh my God, if I was reading this again, the amount of things I could now try because I read High Times versus just wish for and look like magic, times have really changed. My friends and I used to read High Times because the weed where we lived was so shitty we just wanted to smoke and pretend like we were smoking all the cool looking weed that was in the pictures in High Times and the centerfolds and everything because we were just smoking bunk as kids.

2:15:36SpeakerIt was garbage.

2:15:37Etienne FontanI would always look for the THMQ to see what it costs in my region. What does weed cost right now? Oh, look, it's running this price. Okay.

2:15:47BubblemanWhat are we showing our children when we're giving them the worst weed?

2:15:52SpeakerI can just think about the fact that there was no such thing as the weed price. You had $10, you had $10, you had $10, and whatever came in the crumpled up tinfoil back is what we're going to smoke tonight at the party for all of us. When I think back, and now I look at what he handed back, I'm like, oh my god, what did we buy a fucking nug for $50?

2:16:14SpeakerYeah, and then Bud Mail came around and everyone was getting these crazy flavors and the lemon cushion, all these things that just weren't around, at least where I was living. And that really changed the game for us was the people that were taking those risks and shipping cannabis to just random people. And it was messed up. You'd open up your box and there'd be like two or three teddy bears in there and there'd be like a zipper in the back of the teddy bear and in the zipper there'd be a little Like a little capsule with a nug in it and you get literally one nug in the mail in this giant package with all this other crap.

2:16:47SpeakerIt was like, these guys are really, really trying hard here to get this going.

2:16:52BubblemanI jumped my shit up quick and fast by meeting Ron. That was like a game changer for my whole shit. Like that was just, it went from getting like meeting the sketchiest, most fucking craziest people that would deal herb when I was a kid in Winnipeg. Just the most like the one dude who had his cheekbones were all like crushed in because someone beat him up with a two by four, smashed his whole face in and his surgery didn't go well so he had a real weird like pushed in face.

2:17:21BubblemanThis is like the guy I had to buy weed off of and he was sketchy as fuck. One of the guys. Until I met Ron and then everything changed and the quality just went literally through the roof because I suddenly tapped into this 25 years of this guy being on the same mission I was just beginning. So it's quite nice to be able to stand on the shoulders of giants.

2:17:42BubblemanI'll say that about Mr. Ron Hickey.

2:17:45SpeakerShout out to Ron.

2:17:47BubblemanYeah, shout out to Ron for sure. I'll puff to Ron. Let's puff to Ron. For being brave and for refusing to talk about tomatoes in his hydroponic store and for literally facing the beast multiple times and doing, you know, double years in federal penitentiary And instead of like suffering in prison, he just made prison a better place with herb as well. They just can't fucking stop this guy.

2:18:14BubblemanHe loves the herb and he has to share it with everyone, his love of the herb. I think it's great.

2:18:25SpeakerSo I actually found this binder like yesterday and I just came across this one piece of paper and it was synthetic compound HU210. Check this out. This is... A synthetic cannabinoid that was synthesized around 1988 by Raphael and the Hebe University is 100 to 800 times more potent than natural THC cannabis and has extended duration action. I don't know if you guys have heard of it before, but I was looking at this years ago.

2:18:57SpeakerI just wanted to make mention of that. There were lots of research on cannabis. I've seen a lot of stories about synthetic cannabis or whatever they're calling it, herb or spice or whatever that shit is. In the States with pro athletes and college athletes, it's been a big thing. People jumping out of windows and doing all kinds of crazy shit. It's like, don't you see that you're trying to make something That we already have and it's failing miserably because people are clearly not taking it well and they're not, at least their bodies aren't taking it well and now they're doing all this crazy shit and it's like why don't we just let people use the original stuff, you know, it's a lot easier.

2:19:40SpeakerA lot of cases people are using those because they get test tested for cannabis. That's what I mean. That's the messed up thing. It's like you're giving these people the only alternative they have now to try and seek that same feeling and it's not the same feeling at all and now they're going and putting their lives and other people's lives in danger because their bodies are just having the worst possible adverse effects that you could think of.

2:20:00SpeakerLike people jumping out of windows, pro athletes jumping out of windows because they're not allowed to smoke cannabis.

2:20:05ChimeraMake no mistake, they're not giving that to anybody. People are choosing to take these drugs.

2:20:09SpeakerThese drugs are over.

2:20:10ChimeraFor research purposes, they never intended for these drugs to end up sprayed on herbs and mixed with terpenes and sold to cannabis users. They're doing it all over Europe, too. They're selling this shit. They're taking... CBD hash made in Romania and adding essential oils and these synthetic cannabinoid analogs and man, it's a really bad scene. It's really bad.

2:20:36SpeakerI used to work at a head shop in Vancouver and we'd get a lot of people that moved, I guess, out to the oil sands in Alberta to go and work and of course they're getting piss tested and all that stuff and they're coming in, yo, you got the spice? You guys got spice? I'm like, what the fuck is spice? Then everyone's trying to tell me what it is, and it's like, what are you guys doing?

2:20:55SpeakerGo get a different job. If this is really how far you're willing to go to get high still, it's like, I don't know. I wouldn't take a job where I couldn't do what I wanted.

2:21:07BubblemanIt's pretty fucked up for sure to direct people down that sort of bottleneck where they're going to end up either choosing abstinence of all or choosing the most fucked up. The ones that they don't test for, the ones that are considered legal.

2:21:23SpeakerPretty fucked up. It's scary, and especially for young kids now because, you know, maybe it's, especially in Vancouver now we sort of have shops and things that you can go and purchase cannabis from and it's a little bit more of a An adult market, I guess you could say, as opposed to other places where there are shops you can go and just shop at. Now they're kind of, it's almost forcing them in that direction because they're going to want to try it.

2:21:46SpeakerThey're going to want to try something that is similar to what they think that they're getting. And it's just, I don't know, it's just a sad, sad thing. It is.

2:21:56ChimeraI'm amazed that people are buying Spice in Canada with the availability of herb. I mean, it's really, it's quite insane. Yeah.

2:22:03SpeakerWell, it's like you said, it's for the drug testing type of thing, right? They're worried about getting piss tested or whatever it is, and so they're just like, well, they're not testing for whatever weird chemicals in this herb.

2:22:14ChimeraI know they were shipping it by the crate load from Europe to Russia many years ago or a few years ago, like literally by the pallet, tons at a time and making millions and millions of dollars. Yeah, that's scary.

2:22:28BubblemanYeah, well, before that, it was just the fake bud. They used to sell out of High Times and stuff.

2:22:33SpeakerThose guys were... Wasn't this stuff called Mojo or something?

2:22:38BubblemanYeah, it had all sorts of weird names.

2:22:41SpeakerYeah, I had run into a group one time, and I can't remember if it was in Europe or where it was. I was pretty stoned and went into this party. It was a house party, and there was a group, a small room in this house, and it was a bunch of dudes and some people, maybe a few girlfriends sitting around, And they were passing around what I thought was a joint.

2:23:01SpeakerAnd the guys were like, no, we're firefighters or athletes or something. And they were like smoking mojo. And I was like, because I asked them, why are you smoking fake weed? What is wrong with you? And they were just like, oh, yeah. They were passing it to hit it to me like, why would I want to smoke it with you? What is the point? Like, at all.

2:23:25SpeakerYou know, and it was like, oh, we're firefighters or we're athletes or something. I was like, wow, that's so weird. I was like, just to think that people are smoking some other thing that represents cannabis that just doesn't do anything for you.

2:23:38ChimeraWell, it does do shit for you. It fucks you right up. You know what I mean? It fucks you right up. I don't know. I think it's insane. Again, it's one of these insanities of prohibition, right? Created these fucking stigmas in society where people can't use a safe herb that we've been using for, I don't know, 10,000 years probably or 5,000 at least. And...

2:24:03ChimeraYeah, it's just really fucked up. It's got a known safety window, you know, like really, really low toxicity, and instead they're ingesting research chemicals.

2:24:14SpeakerI'd much rather be sober and a bit of a prick than... Smoking some weird herb that came out of some guy's bathtub or whatever the hell this stuff is. I don't know what it is, but it's scary. It doesn't smell good. It doesn't look good. It's like this is like the McDonald's. This is worse than the McDonald's. This is the crap that the people are eating out of the dumpster from McDonald's of cannabis.

2:24:33SpeakerIt's like 3D printed herb. Yeah, it's scary. They're printing fibers and carbohydrates and like. Lookalike leaf material with like lookalike hairs. It's like a very strange thing. Like it's as if somebody painted it, like airbrushed something.

2:24:54BubblemanAnd they just dip it in some turps and you're good to fucking go.

2:24:58SpeakerYeah. That's the scary thing about turps, you know. It's like that's why I never wanted to really release it. I was worried about people like that. Oh, let me just put it on this and make it better. Let me just do this today.

2:25:15BubblemanYou guys been spinning up a bunch of hash lately, Adam?

2:25:20SpeakerYeah, we have, man. It's been a crazy couple of weeks here. Actually, we were at your shop the other day and picked up another bubble now. We're definitely hoping to upgrade to a bigger unit here so we can stop breaking our backs. But as of right now, really space is our issue at the moment here. We can't seem to make enough. You know, they make the ones bigger than his two foot by two foot machine.

2:25:47SpeakerYeah, we use the 20 gals, but I mean, they definitely, we've got about three or four of them going right now, you know, most days of the week, so it's a good time. No, I've seen all your posts, I was just playing with you. Oh no, no, it's all good, man, I know. It would be funny though if you were running like 15 of those. Yeah, we've got like 35 guys in a row just hand-stirring one gals.

2:26:13SpeakerLet's get it going, boys!

2:26:14BubblemanSpeed her up! I'll tell you though, one of those 20-gallon machines will easily run three sets of bags.

2:26:20SpeakerOh, for sure. But like I said, we can't seem to make enough these days, man. It's great. And I mean, coming from where I'm coming from, the solventless quiver is almost null. Most people in my hometown still don't even know about it. I try and tell them, and it's like, yo, I just smoked this herb, or I'll smoke poppers, which is the cigarette in the herb, and it's just like, it's a sad thing.

2:26:45SpeakerBut it's slowly starting to... Slowly starting to turn over and even a lot of my friends that are smoking BHO on the regular, which I'm honestly, I'm not against any of the hydrocarbon extraction methods as long as it's done right, but they're really starting to, they're starting to notice the difference between, you know, a full melt bubble and rosin from full melt bubble or rosin from flour as opposed to, you know, just dabbing even live resins or nice shatters and it's, That's why I started doing this is because I really wanted to, I just wanted to be able to get it for myself and it wasn't around.

2:27:24SpeakerSo now, luckily, you know, some people are starting to do it and there's a few people in the city that I see with nice dry sift and nice hashes and it's, you know, it's, we're starting, we're starting, it's getting there and it's a really, it's a beautiful thing to see the market changing the way it is. Hmm.

2:27:44BubblemanYeah, I mean, anytime people are paying attention to quality, regardless of how they're doing their process, it is a great thing to see.

2:27:55SpeakerWho doesn't love great quality? Exactly, and quality in everything, you know, quality in food, quality in, you know, your clothing, quality in the vehicle you choose to drive or not drive, quality in everything. If you live a life with quality, it'll be a much better life. Do we not have the best restaurants going on or what? Oh, man. And you showed me a few of those, if I can say so myself.

2:28:18SpeakerI definitely don't eat the greatest, but I'm working on it.

2:28:21BubblemanYeah, dude. It's nice to be close to the city where the good restaurants are. The Full Mount, as I call it.

2:28:27SpeakerExactly. The six-star everything. Yeah. Yep, absolutely.

2:28:35SpeakerAnybody know anything special that's going to happen in Vancouver for 420? I've heard that they've moved it to the beach now. I personally like that idea better than being right downtown, but I haven't heard if there's anyone coming or bands or anything.

2:28:52BubblemanYeah, I'm not sure of that myself, but it's definitely always a huge gathering. I guess it'll be interesting to see how they go about this year with it at the beach, if they're going to allow the big sort of flea market, cannabis market that pops up each year. It does seem to be what's fueled the growth of the event each year. More and more people show up and sell different forms of edibles and cannabis and hashes and joints and this, that, and the other thing.

2:29:22BubblemanIt's quite a thing to witness, actually.

2:29:25SpeakerWell, I do know that they've sold a lot of booths for the event down at Sunset Beach, and they do have a stage going in, and they do have bands coming in. There'll be some announcements in the near future of some bands coming, hopefully. We'll see how that's going to happen, but very much involved with a little bit of the 420, of course. I have a booth there for Matt Taylor, and Everybody else has got booze there.

2:29:49SpeakerBut the city has made it quite clear that they're fencing and they have. Everybody sees Vancouver. They're working around the art gallery right now. So it was already pre-planned with the city and everything to move the event because of the size it has been. And last year it was getting a little scary. And the year before we made mention of the push and the amount of people in that downtown core area.

2:30:12SpeakerIt was... So it has been moved and there's, I think there might be a few views left, but of course Crop King Seeds is a platinum sponsor down there and there's a lot of people going to be a really good event and hope to see a lot of people come out.

2:30:27BubblemanWell, I'm going to be down there with a little booth just on the beach and maybe we'll see Tony out here too with the Blue Rivers. There you go. See?

2:30:38SpeakerI've got a nice little suite over there. I think I'm going to switch in the... Switching the 420 celebration this year to Canada. I don't know, the last four or five years, it's been Denver or some other place, but we just did, I don't know, there's not really a lot going on on the 420. I don't really want to go back to San Leandro for 420. Nothing wrong with San Leandro or anything.

2:31:08SpeakerSan Bernardino. All right. Sam Bernardino. Been smoking all day.

2:31:15BubblemanI was like, what the fuck is he talking about, Sam?

2:31:18SpeakerWe'll take care of you if you come down this way, or come up this way, I guess, anyways, Tony. We'll make sure you've got a nice plate of things. It's just a lot of work, you know? And I'd rather just go have fun for once. It's been a good seven years since I've just been able to not have a booth, not Have to do anything and just actually enjoy 420.

2:31:44SpeakerIt'd be fun. Yeah, I'm going to do it. You should definitely do it.

2:31:53SpeakerDo it. Do it. Turt party. Can't wait to do that. I said I got a really nice panto suite overlooking there, so you can definitely come and hang out. 420. Yeah, I rented a place just to make my life easy because it is on a Wednesday, and I do have a booth there and a few people working, so if you're going to muzzle, stay down there for a week.

2:32:17SpeakerNice. I heard some rumor about Richie Spice. Is that true? There could be some rumor around that. We're working towards that, actually. Yeah, so... It might be, throwing that out there, I've had some meetings around it, and I can definitely accommodate everything, and now it's just, you know, talking with some people, and yeah, you're kind of like throwing that out there. Just on a friend level, it would be nice to see.

2:32:48SpeakerIt would be great to see, so I'm trying to line up some stuff with Fortune, and maybe, because Snoop Dogg will be here on the 17th, And I'm in the midst of finding out some more information. So, yeah, we could have Richie Spice here for 420 from Vancouver 420. Working on it.

2:33:11SpeakerThe vibe looked good last year, I can tell you that. Huh? The vibe from Canada looked pretty good last year. I saw an overhead view. I guess somebody had a drone or it was a helicopter or something and they were doing a view over top of the actual event itself. It was ridiculous. Like, there was literally the main core, the city's not a big place, like it's maybe a two and a half, three kilometer square, and there was literally like 40 to 50,000 people packed, like packed in the center of the city.

2:33:42SpeakerAnd it doesn't, it's crazy when you're on the ground, but when you see it from above, it's just like, it looks like an ant, like an anthill or something. People are just everywhere.

2:33:50BubblemanI took some good photos and video up from the hotel room across the street there, and it, uh, big, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:34:15Speaker2013. And it was pretty big. You know, it was the biggest celebration of cannabis that I had ever been to at least. And, you know, in the two or three years since then, it's just tenfold. It's crazy. They definitely need to move it to a bigger spot. And hopefully one day we'll be able to rent a place out like the convention center or like, you know, one of the football stadiums or something like that because that's the kind of numbers we're talking about now.

2:34:41BubblemanI remember the first one I went to was at Gassy Jack in Gastown and we all used to meet there and sit around this statue and puff and eventually it got moved to the art gallery and I remember a few times with Romulan Joe rolling up with like full plants and passing them out to all these different people in wheelchairs so they could roll around with a big pot plant and it must have been like the late 90s.

2:35:06BubblemanIt's pretty neat how long it's been going on for.

2:35:10SpeakerYeah, like 25, over 25 years in Vancouver. I remember that. I remember the Canada Days and all the events. It's always been a good vibe down there. We've never really been harassed by cops except for last year on the Canada Day. But it's always been a good event and lots of good people from all around the world.

2:35:36BubblemanWell, I think last year was the first year we didn't listen to them. They just asked nicely, like, please don't show up and do what you're going to do every year. And then everyone was like, oh, we're fucking showing up and doing exactly that. And it was right after the mayor announced that he was going to allow dispensaries and give licenses to the dispensaries. And I thought, what a strange way to, like, you know, you get this sort of gift.

2:35:59BubblemanYou're allowed to have dispensaries. That's pretty big. That's a mechanism that didn't exist before because of our federal program. And suddenly the provincial government standing up and saying, oh, we're going to do this and create a new mechanism. I was like, sweet. I was very surprised that we still decided that it was like, oh, yeah, let's go down to the art gallery and set up shop and sell weed.

2:36:21BubblemanIt seemed to be in a bit of poor taste from what we had just been given.

2:36:31BubblemanBut I guess that's how it goes sometimes.

2:36:33SpeakerCannabis Day. We've been celebrating Cannabis Day for years.

2:36:37BubblemanIt's just cannabis. Yeah. But listen, this year now, John, we've listened and we've moved to the beach. That's a good thing. I thought it was a good move myself. Well, you know what?

2:36:51SpeakerIt's working with the city, working with the police, working with the fire, and working with everybody there. That's what everybody got involved with. I kind of know, paying attention, Dan and everybody's been... Working hard.

2:37:05BubblemanAs they always are.

2:37:07SpeakerAs they always are. They've got a good volunteer team. And, of course, they're looking for more. So you can always go down to Cannabis Culture Headquarters. If you want to volunteer for 420, please go down there and talk to Jeremiah and Jody. But it's definitely, you know, when you've got 20,000, 30,000 people coming down to celebrate 420, it's an amazing vibe to be around. And the open market is really cool, too, so.

2:37:32BubblemanYeah, it's very cool. It'll be interesting to see. I guess they've rented out booth space.

2:37:37SpeakerYou don't actually get a booth, but you have like no table, no chairs, no nothing, but just a 10 by 10 space or something that they've... Yeah, you know, the old spaces and then there's free areas and there's all kinds of different ways because some people want a certain space and they come with huge platforms. They put on like big booths and stuff like that with tents, so...

2:37:58SpeakerAnd they kind of try to pre-reserve areas for that. And then there's a whole free area on two different places. So, I mean, there's access for everybody, really.

2:38:07BubblemanAwesome. Well, I'll be down there for sure. Yeah, well, we'll definitely be down there.

2:38:13SpeakerWell, and if they can fit 200,000 people down there for the fireworks, I'm sure they can fit the 50,000 or 60,000 of us that will be there for 420. No problem.

2:38:20BubblemanAbsolutely. And maybe even a few more this year. You never know. Oh, yeah. The more the merrier.

2:38:28SpeakerIt'll be definitely a really good event, you know, that's looking forward to it. Like I was always like last year, I think I missed one year. Weren't we somewhere one year?

2:38:37BubblemanI don't know. It's possible for sure. Maybe Toronto or something. 2014 we were somewhere. I've been somewhere every year since I've been born.

2:38:53BubblemanDamn. Somewhere right now.

2:38:59BubblemanPoor little guy crying in the background.

2:39:02SpeakerPoor little guy crying in the background. Is everybody here doing anything for Easter or anti-religious here? What's the deal on Hash Church with the panelists? Smoking hash, going to make some dry sifts, you know. You're not doing an Easter egg hunt, John?

2:39:25SpeakerThe cat was out with the Easter bunnies I had in the backyard on Friday. I found them in the stash. They had a couple joints going. Put that on my Facebook. Otherwise than that, you know, it's just I'm working, I guess. I'm doing my stuff.

2:39:41Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm doing my taxes.

2:39:45Dr Mark ScialdoneThat stresses me out. It stresses me out, too. So I figured I'd do it during church when I'm least stressed.

2:39:54BubblemanI make a point on paying my taxes monthly.

2:39:57Etienne FontanThe only egg I'm hunting on this Easter is my Fabergé egg.

2:40:04ChimeraI got my ball rig, it looks like an egg. There you go.

2:40:08SpeakerI'm not a religious person myself, but we did a little Easter over at one of the team members' houses last week. I don't know, I just... I like the celebration of things, but I don't necessarily agree with why we're celebrating them, I guess. So for me, it's more about just getting together with friends and family and being able to enjoy each other's company. And also, if I can eat a nice big turkey and some ham, I'll take any opportunity they want to throw at me for that.

2:40:40BubblemanWell, look up Ishtar.

2:40:44SpeakerI'll do that. Is that a Tofurky or is that, what is it? I rock the Tofurky. Oh no, we had a definite once living turkey. And I know a lot of people don't eat meat, but I'll be honest, 90% of my diet.

2:41:04SpeakerI'm part of the problem, I know.

2:41:08SpeakerI remember when I was vegetarian, I was like, I don't want to do this Tofurky thing. I said, no meat. But then I would go and have paneer, like a big brick of that Indian pressed cheese, and just eat paneer burgers until I was fucking dizzy. That was the style back in the vegetarian days, but today I'm going to go collect some duck eggs, eat them, and then I remembered I haven't slept tonight, so I'll probably try to make phone calls to family for all the birthdays I miss and then black out.

2:41:41Etienne FontanAll right, so Lent officially ends today, right, since it's Easter, or was that on Good Friday? I'm not really sure, but so anybody give up anything for Lent?

2:41:52Dr Mark ScialdoneI gave up shitty dabs. Donald Trump.

2:42:00SpeakerI actually stopped drinking coffee and beer a few weeks ago, but it had nothing to do with any religious holidays or anything like that. I just felt like I was doing it a little bit too much. Once I get that feeling, it's pretty easy to just stop it in its tracks.

2:42:17Etienne FontanYeah, I pretty much gave up religion for many, many, many years ago. Many moons ago and galaxies far, far away.

2:42:27SpeakerI think there is a place for all that stuff though, you know, religion and things like that. If it helps people be, you know, a better person or if you need to have the fear of, you know, something bad happening to you for you to do good, then, you know, by all means, believe in whatever you like. I really have no discrimination against it at all.

2:42:48Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, no, no, no, no. Don't rule people by guilt. That's wrong, man. You shouldn't like, you know, guilt people into behaving well. They should behave well to begin with.

2:43:00SpeakerThey should, but they don't. So you have to guilt them into it and then it happens, right?

2:43:04Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, no. Dude, the guilt trip is just, that's all what's wrong about the oppressiveness of religion. Oh, man, he dropped off.

2:43:13Etienne FontanAnyone has the right to believe in whatever they want. I don't judge you by whatever religion, color, creed you are. I judge you by the person you are and how you act.

2:43:22Dr Mark ScialdoneAnybody who's ever raised children knows that you can't guilt people into doing things. That's not how you get people to behave properly. You don't guilt them into it. That's not the way of doing it.

2:43:34Etienne FontanHey, there's over 5,000 known gods. Yours is right, remember?

2:43:40SpeakerNo, mine is... Let's cheers to the cannabis god.

2:43:45Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, there you go.

2:43:45Etienne FontanWouldn't it be goddess? I have people who would say that's a goddess, not a god.

2:43:52Dr Mark ScialdoneDefinitely.

2:43:52SpeakerWe are in Ash Church, guys, so... Mother Nature.

2:43:57BubblemanWrong rep. Hashtar. Happy Hashtar.

2:44:13Etienne FontanWhat about you, Tony? What are you doing for the Easter?

2:44:17ChimeraYes, Mark.

2:44:19SpeakerWell, to be honest with you, I am going to be pressing some orange critical bubble hash and maybe some rosin or next week's drop or bubble band.

2:44:43SpeakerWhat do you prefer, Tony? The bubble or the rosin?

2:44:52SpeakerFor personal, not for necessarily, you know, the community, but for you. I would say, you know, making like a, that's a tough one. It's tough because they're two different products. One of them, you know, the orange creamsicle rosin butter, like turp rosin butter, is really easy and manageable to work with and dab, and it's super, super, super, super tasty. But in full melt, and it's almost like it's got a, you know, Bubble Man and I talk about this all the time, it's oil versus hash.

2:45:31SpeakerThat's what it is. So the rosin, it acts like oil, and it hits strong, and it, And it tastes more like oil than it does hash. And then the full melt is, I feel it's a lot stronger, a lot stronger taste and a lot stronger hit to the dome, you know? Yeah, I personally find that the, at least from our products, the melt is, It seems to be more of like a true product in my opinion.

2:46:07SpeakerAnd maybe not true is not the right word to say, but it's more of a, I don't know, a full experience as opposed to the rosin where I just feel like it's not, it doesn't do me the same. But for somebody like myself, I have a, like my chest blows up when I smoke bubble or when I smoke dry sift and it's really hard for me to smoke a lot of it.

2:46:25SpeakerWhereas if I really want to get stoned and sit down, I do smoke more rosin because I can, I actually can, Yeah, well, that's also why the reason why I like to do what I call full spectrum rosin is take your 45, your 73, the 90, and the 120, press those all out, combine them all, then you're going to get like what I call the, you know, and then I add the terps.

2:46:53SpeakerSo then it's like more of a true full spectrum rosin. That is the way, that's the only way I found it compares to like that anything that would have an advantage over the full mount because you're usually going to isolate a 73 or a 90 or a 120 and you get that experience, you know, and each one of those screens to me has its own unique preservation in the heads and experience.

2:47:20SpeakerSo, and then which run you're doing, first run, second run, you know, all that matters too. So, it's tough to beat a first run 92 Macron, you know. Very true. It's like the cream of the crop, you know. The 120 as well. I mean, obviously, depending on the cultivar you're choosing, but we just ran some OG. The 120 came out just... Honestly, it was ridiculous. It was sparkling.

2:47:48SpeakerIt looked like someone poured a bunch of sugar or diamonds or something onto the parchment and it was just glistening in even a low light area that we were working in. For me, I was always about the 73 and the true 73s and now I'm starting to understand these other bags and the 90s and the 120s, they're definitely more of a connoisseur grade type of experience in my opinion because they're I think the way I always explain to people is the 73 seems to pack the most punch, not the greasiest, and not the most flavorful in comparison to, say, that same run.

2:48:25SpeakerThe 90, maybe not as high in THC as the 73, but definitely probably packs the most flavor out of the three, and also very greasy and melty. The 120, very, very greasy. Um, probably the lowest, sometimes can be the lowest on the THC portion, but, and the melt is ridiculous, you know?

2:48:48Etienne FontanSo Tony, you're pressing each individual micron separately and then combining them, or you're just taking those microns and then pressing them together, and if so, why don't you, if they are separate, then why don't you combine them originally as opposed to separately?

2:49:05SpeakerWell, I guess it's a matter of manufacturing processing to keep everything straight because we would take like each one of them separately, freeze dry them or rack dry them and then weigh them just I guess out of habit. But I guess you're right. You could just take them all. But a lot of the time why we do that is you can look at the heads and then you can see which one is the best cream of the crop for full milk.

2:49:37SpeakerSo, like, say, out of 400 grams, we may pull 83 grams only of two screen sizes that we felt represented the full milk the best. Tony, do you think if you mix them all at once, you might actually, like, I can see where if you put, if you get, let's say, 10 grams of beautiful gold stuff, and then you get one gram of darker material, you can, Spread out that darker material thinly and spread it evenly.

2:50:06SpeakerBut it seems like sometimes contaminant could, like if you would add, press, that would, like it would be counterintuitive to mix it all into one. I'm sorry, like my brain literally just watched myself dry sift it, but you would be doing bubble, so there'd be way less shit in your way. Then like if I tried to do that with 45U and like a 25U like dry sift, Like, trying to do that in dry sift seems, it's been way harder.

2:50:33SpeakerLike, if I didn't do it separately, I wouldn't realize, oh shit, I got zero out of that, um, that fourth, um, grade. Imagine if I had mixed that with my A grade, it would have never made it out of the pouch. Like, so is that really the reason to keep them separate? Or is that just for dry sift?

2:50:50BubblemanI don't keep them separate because you can control putting them back together in different ratios. But you can't do that if you've put them all into one bag. I've always had the appreciation of being able to separate, see them, understand them.

2:51:10Etienne FontanI appreciate that because my original bubble thing was the cylinder with that one screen, so you're only left with whatever would go through and settle, and then seeing bubble bag and seeing the different varieties and separation, it was definitely a huge stepping stone in Understanding ourselves at the different size, because we already kind of knew different size crystals depending on varietals. But now, seeing now different levels have different effects, definitely eye-opening.

2:51:41SpeakerSo I would say to answer that more appropriately would be this. You separate all the different washes and all the different runs, because each cultivar is going to produce a different spread. And in that spread, we analyze that. And we say, okay, what is the best full-milk solution? We were 100 bands to work with, and I wanted to make some turp milk, I wanted to make some turp rosin, and I wanted to make some full milk that was available from that.

2:52:09SpeakerThen I would have an ability to look at every element of it first. We had pressed out some 25 micron, I believe it was purple candy, it might have been green crack, god bud as well. And that stuff came out like almost clear and the effect was much different than any of our full specs that we had done in the past. It was a much different, it was a different head that you got from it.

2:52:38SpeakerIt gave you kind of a, oh yeah, there you go. He's got some right there. Yeah, that's another key thing because like you might press a 25 out and a 90 out. The 90 butters, the 25 is shatter like and exactly. And so now, look at that. That's gorgeous. Yeah, that's the 25, I believe. Yeah. So it just, it really, it gives you a spread, and also from a data standpoint, if you're running like, you know, the same orange cream, if you're running orange creamsicle over and over, and we're running those from seed, so that's MTG growing from seed and Sun Grown, so we know, like, say, the number two, as an example, that 90 and that 120 and that 73 is, like,

2:53:24SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

2:53:51BubblemanThis incredible 45 micron or there's just little variations that are subtle and I think I've always sort of told people that it's a good way to learn, you know, selections of plants and to go down this, you know, this, it's a new way to focus more on the resin than the actual vegetative yields and the bud structure of the plant when you can actually separate the heads out and you can see them and you can gather all that new data.

2:54:20BubblemanYep.

2:54:23ChimeraFrom a production standpoint, it's way easier to separate the gland heads. The different sized screens really help the whole sifting process. You have it all in one screen set, it just kind of clogs up and doesn't really flow as well.

2:54:36SpeakerYeah, there's definitely a reason why you get a few different screens for dry sift. I can say that first hand. Tony, do you get to see much dry sift frozen? Because I pretty much... I typically always do dry sift if I want to do anything. And because of that, I saw where I'm like, holy shit, all the red stuff is on this level. And then I press the rosin and I can see the contaminant.

2:55:02SpeakerThere's something fucking wavy in my oil. But if I press the higher level, it's not there. And neither is the color or that type of contaminant. And then I start to get a question of, if I could test this and figure out whatever's the distortion in the rosin, I could figure out where in the plant it's storing the negative aspect, whether that be neem or whatever, God knows what went through it.

2:55:24SpeakerBut I noticed when I, because I go through that rosin process and I don't have, it's not, all the layers aren't automatically as cleanly as bubble, it seems like I run through more impedances that remind me where I guess the problems are in the plant. That's kind of why I guess I would always agree in separating them because without that it would just, basically the whole thing would be ruined.

2:55:46SpeakerAnd I wouldn't literally know just toss this layer and I can still rebuild. Like it drove me nuts knowing the smallest pressed clean, the highest pressed clean, but the middle pressed dirty. And not knowing where in the process that actually comes from. Do you ever see that in Bubble? Where like a certain layer will screw up or is it because you're all fire in, fire out that it just never produces...

2:56:09SpeakerI think in industrial areas, like if I have a company that's going to take shit from dispensaries, somebody's going to fuck me. So I'm always trying to figure out ways to be able to say, like, look, just give them that back and give them this gold and let's not destroy our reputation. Do you come across those type of situations? There's really cultivar dependence. Like I have, you know, like I'll use one that's really good in terpenes and one that's not really good in water.

2:56:38SpeakerAnd like the strawberry mind warp, when I was running that one, we were running that one in comparison to say Orange Creamsicle or T-Bomb, those were the first four we ran MTG. The strawberry mind warp was like nothing. It was just like nothing there. And I was just like, oh my God, three pounds turned into like four or five grams. You know, and... That's also because each cultivar is like, how does it thrash?

2:57:11SpeakerDoes it need to stay in the water longer? The way the genetics are, the way it was growing. But then with running it in another system for terpenes, let's say, it was like a porn star. It was like... It makes you crazy. It makes you fucking crazy. Dry Sip exhausted me because I'm smelling it and I'm like, it's somewhere. It's everywhere. I have the vial. I know this is going to yield.

2:57:42SpeakerAnd then I'm just... Because I guess... It's not like you, like where you have a situation where you're like, can I process it longer? I'm like, I'll just keep beating this shit to shit to keep checking it for resin that's not coming loose until I get tired in a cold room. I can like keep going back over the starting material because it's bone dry. I still find nothing.

2:58:02SpeakerThat's why I'm always interested in those stem terpenes because I'm like, this must be what's feeding my vial because it's not feeding my screen. Dr. Well, and the other thing is like that particular strain is a beast outside. It's like a lion in a jungle that's like impervious to water or something. You know, it's like it goes into the water and it's like beads off the plant.

2:58:22SpeakerIt's like maybe there's something, you know, genetically speaking that like it's created a survival trait for the outside that, you know, I don't know, like maybe more Chimera would be able to chime in on that. But what I did get though from it was crazy fire, you know, just not a huge yield. So it's like what do you do in a situation like that? And that's a lot of the times where I think, you know, when hash makers, and I'm not trying to make excuses for different prices or things, but when you're, you know, running a lot of things, sometimes you get a good one that's like 12% or 15% and you're like, Running around, you're super excited, you're like, oh my God, I wish I had like truckloads of that because it's melty, it tastes good, it produced a lot.

2:59:10SpeakerAnd then sometimes you just have ones that you don't get a big yield, but maybe it's like exceptional quality and then you don't know how to price that because everyone's like stuck in these like ranges. And sometimes you take a hit, like with the strawberry mine work, it's going to be a hit. But the people that do get it, they'll be like, okay, there's 10 grams of it and it's phenomenal, but that was like off of one pound.

2:59:34SpeakerAnd you sell it, you take a hit, and that's what it is about, unfortunately, being on the hash manufacturing until you can control your greenhouse, your genetics, and you can replicate it over and over and over. If you're just trying to gather material from From one source or random places, you're never going to be able to get that fine-tuned. You're just going to be chasing it all the time.

3:00:02SpeakerWell, that's kind of one of those dynamics where the first rain I tried, I got 22% Thank you for watching.

3:00:37SpeakerIt just created more anger than satisfaction, because even when I found what I liked, it would go out of circulation. Because in my case, literally... Always seeking the stuff from the 90s I never got to experience. I'm always looking through the genetic pool because I'm afraid of hitting, like, yeah, I'll just run that strain forever and become the five-strain guy when I'm still looking for medical solutions to explore because I don't smoke anybody's shit and I don't see anybody's shit.

3:01:07SpeakerI'm pretty isolated. So I always try to see the world through changing my weed constantly. Yeah, and you, like, I started doing this, man. It's, like, grade... We've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, you know, we've got a lot of people out there that are like, Thank you for joining us.

3:02:16SpeakerThe grower could be fucking me. I can't take that responsibility and say, I ran 10 pounds, it all gave nothing, this is the yield for sweet skunk, live with it, if you want it, this is what it costs, because I'm constantly encountering how Pretty much unstandardized growers are to a degree where I'm like, I don't understand. Maybe one of these plants has turned backwards half its life and they're not reaching for it because it keeps changing within the same strain to the point where I'm like, this is the grower and I can't base it.

3:02:47SpeakerI feel guilty because I could be wrong. Here's the thing though. We don't have a hash union. There's a fish market. Everyone that's in the salmon world, You know, there's farm-raised, and then there's wild-caught salmon, and price per pound. And there's a coalition of people that are fishermen, and they come together, and like, this is what salmon costs, you know? So, like sweet skunk, as you said, as an example.

3:03:15SpeakerIf there's two, three countries, and 50 hash makers, and 50 growers all running sweet skunk, you kind of know, like, what you should be getting and what should be priced. But what we've done is we've kind of stuck into, oh, well, it should be $30 a gram or it should be $50 a gram or it can't be more than $100 a gram. How dare you charge $200 a gram?

3:03:36SpeakerYou know, it really depends on the market of that cultivar and then you have to get enough of that information out there and you can kind of set the bar for what it is. We haven't done that yet. So I think that's where, you know, consumers come into play is, When we're talking about this on a recreational side, it's like, what are they willing to pay? Yeah, that's the thing, is not everybody can drive a Ferrari or a Bugatti.

3:04:02SpeakerThere's a reason why they only make so many of those, because they're very expensive, they're very, very, very high quality machines, and that's just the way it is. There are people out there that are going to drive Hondas, and there's people out there that are going to drive whatever it is, but it just is what it is. There's things that we can't produce in such a mass amount that it can be the same price as...

3:04:26SpeakerWe can grow them on agricultural levels.

3:04:56BubblemanAnd that will change the game once we're growing in fields like we do the rest of the world's sort of food supply and all these agricultural products. Once we start doing that, I think you'll see the price of hash drop drastically.

3:05:13SpeakerI'll even take a union because I'm going to play devil's advocate now. Now you've got, let's say, And now you've got a guy like, well, here's the problem. They've created a consumer demand greater than their ability to produce, and I'll fill the void with what I got and talk their language and use their lingo and move my product and If you've never been around the melt system and it's just something you've heard on the internet, just like the internet becomes the new high times.

3:05:44SpeakerSomeone goes, this is six star and you don't know and you buy it because you're stoked for the one opportunity you have to come across it. A lot of people get ravaged in the middle. It just seems like it is a factor of needing, we have to get to the point of the agricultural level in the union before... The middle, pretty much, basically everything gets diluted. People go, I tried terpenes, why do yours cost so much?

3:06:07SpeakerAnd I'm like, what did you try? Describe it to me. Is it creamy? Is it muted? What color is it? And then I'm like, dude, you bought some hot mash, and I don't know how to tell you I'm supposed to replace a vial full of that. I don't even know if it's real. The people who make fake Terps, they're gouging and they're coming in and they use the names and the language.

3:06:27SpeakerLike, Tony, what do you see with that? Like, everyone else is going to say, well, our Terps are the same thing. It's rare. We don't have them. They're going to fuck them. My world? My world sucks. What I see, what I actually see is every single day, three times a day, a copycat company pop up or just jump out of nowhere every day. And I've gone through every situation you could possibly imagine just trying to provide terpenes to people.

3:07:00SpeakerGone through FedEx, gone through USPS, seizing packages and being able to get them to release, which I think was a pretty good significant move in our world. But I've gone through a lot of shit for it. But I see like two companies in particular that just like pop up, copy your name, literally copy your mission statement, your content, everything that you put together, try to just copy you in every single situation, and then says, oh, I have what you have for less.

3:07:42SpeakerAnd they don't have nothing. They don't have, you know, and... It's frustrating, bro. It's definitely frustrating. I think people, I don't mind people that, you know, get your own, get your tech on, do your thing. We're here to share terpenes and more people, more power to you. You know, I've got friends that do it. Ramon does it. You do it. Friends with Gemstone. I don't even mind Baker.

3:08:10SpeakerI mean, there's Cali Sif's doing it. There's a bunch of different groups doing it. And it's totally cool, but it'd be like, I'm not going to go do it and then just create a brand called LHO. I have just as much questions. How do we know we're doing it the same? I get into these situations where I'm like, wait a second, there's no clue that anybody's doing what I'm doing.

3:08:34SpeakerNobody's doing it the same. It's just like when we were all underground growers and we got to meet for the first time and everyone's like, how do you stake your plants? Where do you set your lights? What are you growing? No one grows exactly the same. No one makes terpenes exactly the same. Well, that's kind of why I look at it and I'm like, well, look, if people are just going to fucking, like, blender a bunch of bubble, put it in the rotovapin, hot steam it, like, oh, my God, I'm underselling myself like crazy because that guy's shit is selling out and he can produce ten times more than me.

3:09:04SpeakerWhat the fuck is going on with this world? Yes, therefore, I mean, on my website, I put out information, you know, bro? Like, if you're using ethanol, if your shit's yellow... If your stuff smells rancid, if it tastes and is volatile and lights on fire, if it's just boiled through or if it's this way or that way, then it's probably something you and I wouldn't want to promote.

3:09:32SpeakerAnd so the people that I named from what I can tell and from what I see seem to be okay. They're on the right path and there's nothing wrong with that. But The fake terps is annoying as shit. Like people that are just taking, oh, I got some limonene, and I got some hemolyne, and I got some Lidlol, and I made myself a strawberry banana smoothie this morning of some terpenes.

3:10:02SpeakerThat's just like, that's ridiculous. If you think that's ridiculous, just one-up it. And, hey man, I went out and I got myself some fortune flavor and some premium e-juice 72. Basically, because the thing is with e-juice, it's not like it's an uneducated field. You have people racing and racing to try to create a new level of experience and make it worth more than pennies. And when they go for that shit, it becomes like wild chemistry.

3:10:34SpeakerThank you for watching.

3:10:57SpeakerThen something like a vital medicine like distillate, which is still in its complete rarity when it comes to the proportions of black syringes that go out in this world. People then make it valuable. They're like, oh, I want terpenes and I just want a shit ton. I don't give a fuck. I'm already vaping key lime. So I want more and I really don't care about the price because I'm a rec user.

3:11:21SpeakerAnd they literally draw medicine out of medicine and put it into rec. I think people should look at it this way. It's like food. I want to eat the healthiest, most organic, best food I can. For me, I may not care about what that costs for my health and the food. That's the same way in the way I source resin and herb. I'm looking for the best possible resin, the best possible herb.

3:11:48SpeakerIs it sun-grown? Is it chemical-free, pesticide-free? What does it look like when I smoke it? Is it big, gnarly, is it big buds that have amazing smell? You know, what does it look like? What is the quality of the product I'm running? That's what it looks like. It costs money. And that's the kind of stuff that it takes to make a good quality product. So, you know, and then there's like an A16 certified.

3:12:19Etienne FontanThe Golden Arch.

3:12:20SpeakerYeah, wait, there's McDonald's and there's McDowell's. There's the Golden, they got the Golden Arches, we got the Golden Arch. We've all been to expensive restaurants that are utter shit. When you look at the fake Terps, the fucking bottles are sexier than wine. I'm like, I got a bottle of important shit. You don't care about the bottle, you care about what's inside. But people deliver it in a fucking diamond ring box and have gone to making luxury crap before we can get any actual work done.

3:12:53SpeakerThere's got to be a way to create a union. Well, Mark showed us a video the other day when we went up to see him, and it was this, like, funny Australian guy. I don't know if you have the link still, Mark, but it was, like, this funny Australian guy acting like the crocodile hunter, and he's just talking about the fake turps and everything. It was a pretty funny video.

3:13:12SpeakerYou should put it in the link there or up on Facebook. It read in hydrosols. That shit was hilarious to me, man. I was dying. Well, and something that we want to keep in mind, you know, and I had an interview that I did for someone recently, And I responded in this question, and I'm sure Mark will chime in on this one, but I think I've got my facts right when I say this.

3:13:35SpeakerBut when you look at a plant that's fresh, let's say a flower that's 1% terpenes when it's still alive and wet, about 80% to 90% is monoterpenes. Then when it's dried and cured, what you have is about 0.1% of available terpenes in which That in which I hunt and go after. And so it's the same thing when we're looking at it in resin, when we're pulling resin off a plant that's fresh or alive versus a little bit cured.

3:14:08SpeakerIt dries. So terpids, you've got to look at what are people doing. Are they taking it from sifted bud? Are they taking it from $50 pounds of trim? Are they taking it from leaf? How are you squeezing your orange juice? Or are you not even Do you not even know that there's freshly squeezed organic orange juice? You know, are you a concentrated man? So there's, if you look at the different orange juices and foods and restaurants, that's the same thing we're talking about.

3:14:39SpeakerAnd that's the price you pay for putting quality first versus anything else. You know, you're going to get ridiculed, man. And so what I could tell you is that You're a medicine maker and you're reliant on other people's product and you have to source out your best buddies and friends that are awesome cultivators and growers and have good genetics so that way when you set your price of your medicine, hopefully, you know, eight out of ten times, you're getting what you can get out of the product and you can get it to the people without it costing you money.

3:15:25SpeakerAnd sometimes it does cost you money. But if you can do it, you know, 80% of the time, then you've got a good circle. So I would tell you is find, you know, a consistent database of people around you that can get you what you need so that your medicine is as standardized as you can until you have cultivation standards behind you. This is, I guess, where America always having ten times more people than Canada in any situation, whether you want to sell a t-shirt on the side of the road.

3:16:01SpeakerI conditionally, like, even when I find I'm like, okay, that's your strain, that's what you dedicate your life to, that's what you're good at, okay, well then I've got you for that. Every time I come across X amount of complaints for this medicine, for this type of pain, I'm going to come to you and I'm going to produce X amount of batches. Because only one of that guy appears in 10 and then even he is prone to not really being, you could say, a professional grower, he is just the luckiest of the lucky, it's constantly fluctuating because I'm a professional at a different level that everybody can be the best grower and the worst grower within a three month span and Those are the best of the best people who I can count on that haven't poisoned the plant to achieve success.

3:16:48SpeakerBecause every time I come across people that produce fire, limonene tells me something is wrong. And it's because they survived PM they shouldn't have. Yeah, well also it's experience, you know. Like, you know, I know you ask a lot of questions about growing and that's where I started. You know, I was growing herb since 96 and As an example, this is the fourth crop I've seen of the Neville's Haze.

3:17:15SpeakerYou know, really nice Neville's Haze. And I was asking that question I think last week about how long should this strain actually go because these people were growing it like 14 weeks. And Bubble Man was like, oh, grow it out 16 weeks, grow it out longer. Because they actually were, you know, it's a long process plant. From looking at it, it looks like it could probably get another couple weeks out of it.

3:17:39SpeakerEven though it's a 14-week strain. But even when you have that tight circle of friends and you've got people that are growing it the same way, say they've been growing that strain for 5 years or 10 years, there's little tiny nuances in the crops because we're unfortunately still living in a fucking prohibition model and we're all trying to get to the point where we don't have to run around with these secret agent men anymore to fucking help people.

3:18:08SpeakerAnd different shit happens. You know, power goes out, somebody breaks in, the AC broke down. You've got different things that you're forced to deal with. And so you get little inconsistencies even in every single harvest. And so, you know, that is where you have to be good at evaluating that particular starting material and say, well, you know, do a test batch. See what you get on a small scale and say, well, I'm kind of suspicious of this one this time.

3:18:40SpeakerAnd you do a small batch and you test it out and you're like, wow, my yield was really low. And then you do some other things and you say, okay, well, this is what it's really worth to me. And that's a normal conversation and that's like what I would suggest to you is what you would do. And I'm sure you do that. I don't know why every test batch proves positive.

3:18:59SpeakerIt's like, I'm like, this grower is not smart enough to actually be able to deceive me at the plant level. I just, I know he can't read his plants. He's giving me what he thinks is his best. And every time a test batch is like, this is a go, this medicinally feels strong and unique, let's go. It's over time. That's kind of why I'm literally trying to solve growers' problems as I look at their growers and I'm like, hmm, do you ever have problems where the temperature goes over to 92?

3:19:27SpeakerAnd then I ask, hey, what happens when a plant goes too close to a light? Is that where my terps went? Did he give me too many colas this time but in the test batch he gave me mids and mids worked? Should I ask for mids? Like I literally go through the spectrum of behaviors to... Debunk growers because I'm a factory designer by trait. So whether I have a coalition of master growers and they all run four greenhouses, I'm going to be dealing with these human tendencies to deviate and fuck up even when it's intentional or non-intentional.

3:19:57SpeakerSo I'm always looking for that how can I program this out of the system because I do seek unrealistic consistency.

3:20:09SpeakerIt sounds like you do seek unrealistic consistencies, and this stuff's called Kind Bud, and it's kind to you, and you should be lucky enough to have it in your life, so I would just suck it up and make the medicine for the people and try to make friends with people that don't lie to you about what their grow's like. For real. Do you know how sad it is when, like every time this happens, I'll get connected to people who talk to me and I'm like, wait a minute, where are you?

3:20:41SpeakerAnd they're like, I'm in Portland. And I'm like, what the fuck? Stop. I was ready to fucking get in my car, dude. Why do people do this to me? Basically, it seems like the people, we are here, we're just not here in large enough numbers yet. Because I meet them, I see them, I know who they are. And then in, I'm sorry, my region is literally the biggest marijuana producing city in the country.

3:21:04SpeakerAnd it seems to be all fuckera. And to find a good guy, I've literally got to go through three checkpoints and possibly go to jail. It never works out.

3:21:16SpeakerWell, you're right. I'm blessed to have really good people around me. And the growers around us are really, really, really fucking good. And I kept saying that ever since I came out to California. Really good herbs. I don't really smoke a lot of cannabis. But let me tell you, man, it's good out here. So I could see that would be a struggle in Canada. Absolutely. But I've never been there long enough...

3:21:44SpeakerTo give it my full opinion of what's going on out there, so I'll be making the journey. The two times that I've gone out there, I've been sent through the ringer. You know, I must look suspicious or whatever to the Canadian guards, but I always go in the special line, and they take their special time with me. So, you know, I can't imagine how it would be to even want to grow there.

3:22:09SpeakerI don't know. You know, I don't know what it's like there, what the temperature's like. But I definitely don't like your security. I don't like your airport. At all. I've looked over the course of my life and coming home has always been worse than going to. And I always want what I want now and I'm willing to drive to America for next day shipping so I can have it versus wait for it to take, you know, 18 years through Canada.

3:22:38SpeakerSo I've like, I just... People always talk certain things, and every time someone says, oh, you're like breaking bad, I'm like, I remember the time I went through the border with my steam distillation set, and they took apart my car because they thought I was breaking bad, and like, on a sunny, and then I forgot my passport.

3:22:59SpeakerYeah, that's one of those moments. We were just watching that with Sam Kenison last night. We were watching a Sam Kenison stand-up, funny as hell. But he was like saying that he was dating a girl and for a couple years and he cheated on her like eight different times. And then he just decided to come clean and said, you know what, baby? I cheated on you like eight different times.

3:23:22SpeakerAnd she was crying and crying and crying. And she said, don't go anywhere. Don't go anywhere. And he's like, wow, she loves me. She's going to accept me. She's going to take me back. And he goes, I'm going to be a new man. And for the next two months, he was loyal and he was loving and new and everything. And one day he was coming back from a show and he was ripped out of his mind and he was super stoned and he's going through, he puts his bag through and he's trying to find his way through and he's standing there.

3:23:52SpeakerAnd all of a sudden all these sirens go all over the place. The cops surround everybody. And he's like, man, this guy is totally fucked. And he's like looking around. And he goes to grab his bag and then he goes, sir, what the fuck are you doing? Stop. Get away from the bag. And he's like, what? He goes, me. And he goes, yeah, the bitch put a gun in my bag.

3:24:12SpeakerLoaded .38 in my bag. So it's one of those moments for you when you don't have your passport and you're going across borders with the breaking bad gear. You know what's worse? They're like, did you ever do drugs? And I'm like, I tried marijuana once in high school. It wasn't for me. This is luckily before phones and pictures. And the lady was not having it. And I'm like, look, don't break my glass set.

3:24:37SpeakerAnd the thing is, I'm truly going home stoked. My wife bought some oregano. I'm going to make oil. This is going to be amazing. And they took apart everything. They're like, where's your shit? And I'm like, you don't need a passport to go to America. I cross with my driver's license. They're like, well, you're coming home undocumented and all this shit. And I'm like, look... I'm a fucking nutcase who loves buying commercial shit for personal use so it can end up in a box for 10 years.

3:25:02SpeakerAnd I've given that story so many fucking times that one of the guys, like I was getting fucking ravaged for some huge piece of equipment, like it's commercial, it's stainless steel, we know you lied and this time I'm going to fucking bust you because you're the tobacco guy. And this fucking old guy walks over and goes, leave him alone. He's just a fucking nutcase. Look through his file.

3:25:25SpeakerNothing fucking lines up. You can't fucking go from tobacco to steam distillation to fucking a jackhammer. He doesn't make any sense. Just leave him the fuck alone.

3:25:39SpeakerHey Tony, how are you liking the vape exhale? I got to try one of those maybe Maybe a year ago and the water piece you have on it, it looks a little bit different. Yeah, so here's the deal. I have the quartz rods and that's number one. So if you got the glass one, I think it would make a significant difference. So I'm using these little quartz rods.

3:26:03SpeakerI can tell you from somebody that's trying to conserve their medicine, it's, man, I get a lot out of it. Like this little tiny bud, that same bud I was showing you, I was just packing it in here. For flowers, it kind of brings me back. I really enjoy it for flowers. You have a nice little temperature control thing here. And what they recommended was much higher than what I use.

3:26:31SpeakerI like to get it warm, and then I like to downtemp it while I'm hitting it. So instead of something vaping and then constantly getting warmer through the convection tube that it has, I like... Get it to a temperature and just as I'm tasting it, kind of bring it back down. I do that with the terpenes. I don't use any of the water. I leave it like a third of the temperature, not halfway.

3:26:57SpeakerWith flowers, I use water. And with concentrates, I mean, I could show you like how little you need. That's the thing. You know, you got this little quartz cylinder. I'm going to send Bubble Man one of these because I think he's really going to like it. So this is like, this is like a little tiny dab. If you would hit this on the D now, you get a nice little rip from it.

3:27:28SpeakerI just want you to see like how much I got out of this thing. Yeah, the first time I tried one I noticed the same thing as what you're saying is it was really just, it was just like endless vapor it seemed like. Endless, endless vapor.

3:27:53SpeakerSo if you were to compare that to a denail, and I mean obviously it's hard to with just a dial that has no readout on it, it's just lines, what would you say that temp is that you're vaping at now? Like in the 400s, in the 500s? Oh God, 280s, maybe lowest 275 into the 3s. Wow. Super tasty. Look how many hits I'm getting out of it.

3:28:18SpeakerOh I know, and it just milked right up too. It looks crazy. I notice with that you're able to inhale. It's not like regular vape pens where you feel like you're just sucking on this ridiculous straw. Is that because of what you're putting on top of it? Or is that the way it actually flows? Because you see the way I vape, I tend to feel like I'm choking if I can't actually breathe like a normal rig.

3:28:41SpeakerStill hitting.

3:28:46SpeakerThis is off a little tidy down. So... I think for those that want things to go for a long ways, it's unbelievable. It's kind of a costly unit, but think about how much I'm getting out of this. And I put in a lot. For Terps, you're going to really like it. That's the main reason Bubble Man needs to have this as soon as possible. I feel like if I brought this into Canada, somebody would Arrest me.

3:29:22SpeakerSo, boom, we'll have one before I get there for 420.

3:29:29Dr Mark ScialdoneBut then they'll arrest him. That's not good.

3:29:32SpeakerNo, no, no. Just getting in, Mark. Just getting into Canada is fun. So, what are you doing here? Oh, I'm visiting a buddy. Yeah, what's his name? Oh, Mark Richardson. It's like, yeah? Where's he live? It's like... Oh, outside of Vancouver? Oh, up in the hills, does he? Uh-huh. Where'd you meet him from? I was like, where did I meet him? Well, I met him online as a photographer, and I'm in the media world, and I film different projects around the world, and I met Mr. Richardson on set in Spain.

3:30:09SpeakerOh, what kind of set was it? Are you fucking kidding me? All day.

3:30:14Dr Mark ScialdoneAll day. I work in film. All day. So you're visiting Horatio then. So I'm going to visit my friend Horatio.

3:30:21SpeakerThen he goes, then he finds out everything about my connection and how we met and the story of our bromance. And then he goes, so what are you doing here? And it's like, well, I'm coming to visit him. I've never been to Canada. I'd like to see what this hype is about. And I said, I heard it's a nice place to drink, you know, have food, things to do, right?

3:30:46SpeakerIt's a country. And then he goes, you're not working on any sets, are you? And I'm like, I'm not working on any sets. He's like, we'll probably chase a few beers, chase a few women, you know, what's wrong with that? And he goes, okay. And he marks my paper and he sends me on my way. That little mark on the paper meant you're not leaving the airport.

3:31:07SpeakerYou're going into another line and you'll wait two hours where they'll, they searched two people in front of me from like some place in Asia that was bringing back, they were bringing back like ancestral like powders and like wrapped like fruits and vegetables and sacks of rice and like this couple in front of me had like every single thing you could imagine that the airport would pull you over for.

3:31:36SpeakerAnd they were like couldn't speak the language and they were talking and they had different translators for them and literally went through all of their like banana wrap foods and different things and they got to this one funky weird shit. And like everyone that was in line, all the people that were investigating what it was, everyone was like I don't know what that is but it probably shouldn't go into the country.

3:32:02SpeakerAnd it wasn't because it was explosives. It was some unknown rank material, organic material that definitely had some kind of different thing going on where it was like, this doesn't seem right. And they were like, nope, not this stuff. They ziplocked it and they took whatever that was away from that family and let them go. But they went through everything. Give me your left shoe. What about this left shoe?

3:32:30SpeakerWhat size is it? Why is your left shoe an 11th? Why are you not a 12? Oh, your both shoes are 11, are they? Well, do you think you could be a 12? My whole life, all around the world, and check it out, I can feel, like, all your weed stories of, like, actually having that issue, I worked in computer graphics and had that issue. Like, where are you going?

3:32:52SpeakerHow do you know Vinny? Oh, we met online? You're not working on any shows, are you? I'm like, no, no, just going to work on my book. They're like, what's in the bag? You're not running away, are you? I was always accused of running away because I was so gung ho about the next job that it looked like I was running away. But, um, fuck, man. The thing, like I remember I went into the airport, I told the police, look, tell them they're going to need to take my shoes and do the bomb swab because look at me.

3:33:19SpeakerAnd they put me on the golf cart so that I would actually make the plane in time. They're like, there's only two and a half hours left, dude, you got a motor. They're going to rip you to pieces. It's so common that that's kind of why the Canadian border, even when I brought back some stupid sledgehammers and they're like, I'm like, oh, I went to an award show.

3:33:36SpeakerAnd they're like, what award show? And I'm like, oh, an industry award show. They're like, what kind of industry award show? And I'm like, herbal medicine. And they're like, what kind? I'm like, cannabis award show. And then it's like, oh, I brought back some awards from my buddy. What buddy? And I'm like, fuck, last time they went through my phone. It's a good thing they scrolled past all my pictures of hash looking for a steam distillation set.

3:33:57SpeakerBut even I had to answer that Mark Richardson question and it's hairy and borders are no fun.

3:34:06BubblemanI don't want to be bringing my name up at the border, dude.

3:34:08SpeakerWell, the thing is I just kept saying buddy and I didn't know what to do next. I actually didn't bring up your name. I used my buddy's name as John and I didn't know his last name right away. So I was like John Richardson. He was just like, John Richardson? I was like, John Richardson. He's like, you met John Richardson. I'm like, yep, John Richardson. Next time, just tell him you're up here for some fries and gravy, bro.

3:34:40SpeakerYeah. It's weird. I've had friends come up. If you tell him you're going to pretty much spend all your money in Gorge... They will pass you through, like I've had friends come up and it's because they didn't say they were coming to go to a weed convention and smoke up a bunch of weed that they were like, just don't lie to us. But if you, as soon as they were like, look, we're coming to smoke weed and eat.

3:35:01SpeakerYou can go through fucking crazy. He's right. Fries and gravy. He's like, what are you doing? I'm coming into town. I'm going to see my buddy's penthouse. I'm going to the beach to see Bubble Man. I'm going to smoke as much urban hash as I possibly can and spend as much as I possibly can while I'm in your country. For some reason, it got four guys that were wooks in a car through.

3:35:25SpeakerAll right.

3:35:30SpeakerSomehow I don't think it's going to play out as well for me.

3:35:35SpeakerOh, really? Do you really need fries and gravy? Yeah. What do you know about fries and gravy? I heard it was the thing to do. I just got to try it. You know, I'm making the trip. Meet him at this place where there's fries and gravy. It's called Poo-Poo? Cheese curds. I was going to say that, Bubble Man. They're going to be like, do you know what poutine is?

3:35:57SpeakerAnd he's going to be like, no, and they're going to cuff him.

3:36:01BubblemanI'm here for the poutine.

3:36:05SpeakerConfiscate the curds. And the bone rips. Bone rips. Poutine and the poutine tang.

3:36:17SpeakerThat's just ridiculous. That was a serious rip. I'm dumping sift on my face right now.

3:36:23Etienne FontanHey, we even have a poutinerie here in Oakland, by the way.

3:36:25BubblemanAh, the poutinerie. Ah, yes.

3:36:33SpeakerPoutine-ery. Who haven't we heard much from today? It looks like Darren finally chimed in, huh? Yeah. I was almost napping a couple times. What were you doing for Easter? Did you party all the way through Saturday into Sunday, watch the sun come up? I processed probably about 10 pounds of bubble hash. Wow. 10 pounds of bud into... The little buds in the bubble house, me and a buddy, all the late night.

3:37:07SpeakerDoing a big dinner tonight, cooked my dad breakfast this morning. Good night, man. Yeah. Yeah, I don't party much. I get high and ride, but partying's been hard. You remember that one time that you came on with your sunglasses? Yeah. We had that, like, animal in the background. You looked like you had been partying, though, that time. I probably was. It does happen at the odd time.

3:37:32SpeakerIt's not like it's abolished out of my life, that's for sure.

3:37:41SpeakerBall rip. Ball rip, turp dip.

3:37:47ChimeraNo turps.

3:37:50ChimeraI'm lacking turps.

3:37:53SpeakerYou're lacking turps. I've got no turps. I can drive now. Mark's not sick anymore.

3:38:00BubblemanYou're probably not sick, Mark? Yeah, I mean, I'm still coming out of the back end of it. My family's all sick now, so I'm... Oh, well, so are we, pretty much. The sickness of the family, for sure.

3:38:12SpeakerThe sickness to me, which then gave it to my friend, which then gave it to about 300 other people I know. It's almost... I think that's an epidemic of some kind, but literally everyone I know, I was like, please stay away. Please stay away from me. You're like, what do you mean? I was like, don't even come near me. They're like, what? I thought we were friends.

3:38:36SpeakerNot today. They're just like, what's wrong with him? People die left and right. They're catching Richardson's. Richardson's.

3:38:47BubblemanIt's a Spanish plague, man.

3:38:52SpeakerIt started in Spain. It did.

3:38:58BubblemanIt did start in Spain. It started the night of the Advanced Nutrients World Party.

3:39:05SpeakerYeah. Actually, it was. When you first got there, you're like, hey, what's up, man? Jamaica was crazy, blah, blah, blah. It was like the next day, you're like, hey, what's up? It was like the next day, you're like, ah, ah. Then it was like the third day, you're like, I'm not doing so good. I imagine you're like, ah, ah.

3:39:29SpeakerYou were like this completely different person. I was like, whoa, dude, are you all right? You're like, yeah, I'm fine. Everything just hurts. You were going on and on. I was like, oh, okay, man. You just really truly don't know until like 24 hours later. I was like, man, I'm just not feeling that good. It falls on your feet, and everything starts hurting and racking, and then there's this pain everywhere, and it feels like you're eating it with sticks.

3:39:58SpeakerThe fever. I'm still sick. The pressure has moved from every location in my brain, under my jaw, behind my ears, like everywhere. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I had to give up pretty much smoking anything. I really went light, man, because just the slightest agitation, I would just get like crazy dry heaving.

3:40:29BubblemanYeah, I basically coughed so much that I irritated my lungs and then they filled up with phlegm because that's what your lungs do when they're irritated. So I had gotten over the cold itself aspect of it, but now I had like wheezy coffee phlegm filled lungs. Definitely don't be wishing it on anyone. It's nasty shit. Yeah, I may have caught it at Gatwick Airport. You never know.

3:40:59SpeakerI was going to say, do they still allow cigarette smoking inside of Gatwick in those, like, vacuum booths? Yeah. Is that the last airport on the planet? Like, I haven't been to Europe in probably seven years. Is it like that everywhere?

3:41:14BubblemanNo, they have them in Germany, I think, too. I mean, I'm sure they're all over the place. The ones that are sealed rooms.

3:41:22SpeakerOkay, because yeah, I remember when I was back when I smoked and I went to one of those and I was like, this has got to be the filthiest place I could fucking ever catch a smoke. I'll probably die touching anything here and I left the entire building to have a cigarette rather than going to one of those booths with everybody else. Yeah. I'm sure those people are infective.

3:41:44BubblemanYeah, that's for sure. Fuck, I'll tell you man, one day it's, flying is a bummer. Flying is the one bummer of traveling around the world where you just end up around such an insane amount of people and they're all traveling from all different places and there's many, many, many of them are sick, coughing and just contagioning the whole place. I was one of them.

3:42:14BubblemanOh well, this time flying back from Spain I was sick as a dog. Last time I was super healthy, got the first class upgrade. And that plane flew into the mountain with all those people that left the airport just after us. So I think I'm happy to take the sickness this time around rather than the thought of 300 people perishing in a plane crash that left from the same airport to go to the same country.

3:42:41Dr Mark ScialdoneThe guy was clinically depressed and on medications that made him clinically depressed. He should have been on cannabinoids. Cannabinoids could have prevented that accident from happening.

3:42:51Etienne FontanDamn, that's terrible.

3:42:54BubblemanTerrible. Well, I'm going to call it a day on HashChurch79 here for Ishtar Easter. I hope everyone has a great rest of their day and spends it with family and loved ones. Awesome. Yeah, thanks for everything, guys, coming out, sharing your time. Much appreciated, D420K. Yes! Horatio, Johnny B, Mr. Scaldone. Tony and Adam from West Coast Concentrate. I'll talk to you guys later, and thanks everybody for watching.

3:43:28BubblemanWe'll see you next week when it is Hash Church 8080. I'm going to smoke a lot of hash at that Hash Church, I think. See you then.