Cannabis Events and Industry Growth

0:02BubblemanAlright, hey everybody, welcome, welcome to Hash Church episode 102. I am going to invite our panelists, and of course thanks everyone for tuning in here with Hash Church 102. We always appreciate, we always appreciate having an audience, that is for sure. So I'm just going to send out the emails, and I'm going to send out the invitations via Facebook, which I can go ding, and I'll send that out.

0:31BubblemanInvitation for Mr. Brett Maverick, who said he was going to be joining us today. Boom. And I think, oh, well, I got to give Chimera an invitation as well through Skype. And then I think we've covered all the bases. And we'll see if that doesn't about cover it right there.

0:51Etienne FontanThere we go. There we go.

0:53Bubbleman258 viewers already. Well, welcome everybody to Hash Church 102. And there's Etienne right on time. Almost maybe a couple seconds late.

1:03Etienne FontanOh, I'm sorry. Time just catches up with me so fast.

1:08BubblemanDude, well, I do appreciate you spending your Sunday mornings with us and taking the time out. It's always appreciated. Welcome, Johnny B.

1:16Etienne FontanIt's always a pleasure and an honor. Hello, Johnny. Hey, congratulations, Johnny, on the new awards there. Oh, and look at them. Nicely displayed, bud.

1:28SpeakerGotta have them displayed. Thank you, guys. Pretty awesome to be able to enter into the CBD category. That was the one plant that I couldn't be in without the LED. It took second place. It was awesome. The first place was for a CBD concentrate, which was the X-Data Time Warp where the Haley's Comet grown outside, and then we did an extraction with it to help some people with cancer.

1:55SpeakerIt took first place, so that was like... Who's we...

2:00SpeakerWell, that wouldn't be my buddy. I'm not going to say names because they probably don't want their names said, but I had a friend who took the strain. We put it outside, and then another friend of ours did an extraction for our other friend, and it was just a great thing. So they grew it, and they processed it, and you won the award? I didn't win the award.

2:19SpeakerI brought it down there.

2:20BubblemanOh, okay. I thought those were your awards. Well, that one is mine 100%.

2:26SpeakerThe other one is kind of an Irish set on stage. It's a collab. It's a joint effort between all of us trying to help somebody.

2:32BubblemanAll right, all right. I was confused. I was confused. Well, great. Good job, guys. Wonderful. I hear Darren took first place as well, but his trophy got stolen. That's unfortunate for Darren. I know he was very excited about killing it with his dry sift and getting a first place award, but we'll give him a... We'll give him a props when he comes in as well.

2:52Etienne FontanSomeone stole his award?

2:54SpeakerWell, no. There's a lot of, there's nothing to do with that. So I was told that Dry Sift won, and I called Darren, and the next day we were trying to figure everything out, and there's just some awards got taken off of the main stage, some first place trophies that were left on there. Oh. So they're actually, they're wood trophies, as you can see behind me. They're pretty damn cool.

3:17SpeakerAnd, I should just grab one to show you guys. But they're going to be replaced, so.

3:28BubblemanWell, that's great. That's great. Hopefully we get some of these guys in here.

3:31SpeakerOh, laser art, so it's pretty kind of cool.

3:34BubblemanYeah, I saw Rocky had a bunch of them, and I think Remo had a stack. It was nice to see that everyone was winning trophies. I think Beard Brothers won like 27, no? 17. 17. Well...

3:48BubblemanThat's pretty good. That's pretty awesome.

3:52SpeakerIt was a fantastic event. You know, we had probably the largest event that I've been to here in Canada where upwards of 8,000, 10,000 people were there on a Saturday watching the Sublime Live and the events and then behind the vendors and stuff like that. It was fantastic. They had two stages. It was just an epic weekend and looking forward to next year. We're even going to have like a seed lane and stuff like that.

4:16SpeakerWe already got done new sponsors jumping on board, so it's going to be a really good event next year for sure.

4:22Etienne FontanVery cool, very cool. So are more Canadian businesses coming out to these things nowadays? 100%.

4:28SpeakerWe're seeing a lot more people getting involved in the industry. We're seeing so many events happening. It's not where it was like one a year, now we're getting one a week.

4:38BubblemanWell, it's also a major business thing here at ATN in the sense, much like it is there with High Times Throwing Cups. There are so many events that if you tried to go to all of them, you would bankrupt your business. You would bankrupt your business. It's like, it's 1,000 here, it's 2,000 here, it's 3,000 there. We've got We've got the Lift Cup coming up. We've got the ICBL.

5:01BubblemanWe've got the Karma Cup. We just had the Kush Cup. We just had the Bio Cup. There are so many different events happening that it's really kind of like as a business person, I'll admit that it's hard for me to choose where I'm going to go to be able to do the best business. In Toronto at the Lift Conference, I did incredible business. I came back and did the Vancouver conference and I did literally like $100 in business as opposed to almost $20,000 in business in Toronto.

5:29BubblemanSo it's a bit of a crap shoot in regards to when John says, you know, epic event and There's epic party and then there's epic business and ideally these events become both where you have this epic party, you get the big concert and there's tons of people but you also do enough business that you're able to pay for yourself to be there and pay for your booth and whatnot.

5:52BubblemanSo that's That's the tough, tough thing that's happening here in Canada like it's happening everywhere. You just got to pick the right ones.

6:01Etienne FontanThat's a problem we have here in California now. There's an event every weekend nowadays and it is so challenging to figure out exactly what, who, what, where. And they're coming out of the woodworks. There are all kinds of new names and new people and new challenges and There's so many competitions now, exactly. How do you even decide what to enter into? So, for us, like, we stick with the, you know, the big ones, the basics, you know, the Emerald Cups and the things like that, that we know for sure are large draws.

6:30SpeakerWe've got an Emerald Cup happening here on September 25th. They're doing an Emerald Cup up in Kelowna. And at the same time, they're doing the Prairie Medicinal Harvest Cup up in Saskatchewan. So, once again, they're getting cups after cups after cups and It's great to see, but like you said, Mark, as owners and people in the business, it's getting to a point where you have to pick and choose, and it's like some people get butt hurt because your friends are like, I just can't do it.

6:57SpeakerThere's one every week right now.

6:59Etienne FontanYeah, how do you be kind enough to say, hey, I'm just doing too many things, and there's too many of them out there. That's reality, people. There's one going on this weekend. I know there's something going on next week. It's now in the harvest time now. It's now fall, September, November. You know, that time, so everything's coming in. So the normal ones are, you know, continuing, needless to say.

7:24Etienne FontanBut would you think these, John, with all the businesses that are starting to come out, is that due to the new breakdown of your new LP law that individuals can grow now, so more companies feel empowered, at least the regular growing companies feel empowered to come out to the individual now? Because... Bubble Man and Joan, did they come to you as LPs to ask you that sort of question or did you just roll with it?

7:55BubblemanI'm not sure I really understand the question, Etienne.

7:59Etienne FontanYeah, I was trying to form that. It was... Did the companies go after you LP's such as Remo's and other companies up there? Would they concentrate going after the LP's as opposed to the individual grower marketing wise?

8:14BubblemanYou mean the bio events or some of these events? Yes. Okay, well there's still a great division in these two worlds, so if you go to one event and you see a ton of dispensaries, you probably won't see a ton of LPs, although we have had a little bit of that, like at Lyft in Vancouver, we had some dispensaries and some LPs. The LPs are definitely wanting to be a part of things that are a part of the legal mechanism, they want to be as legal as possible.

8:43BubblemanSo going to an event where people might be selling cannabis illegally or doing, you know, things outside of the mechanism that allows them to actually run their business, which, you know, a lot of people bash on LPs constantly, but they have rules to follow and they have millions of dollars invested in growing pot that makes it accessible for people. Whenever I talk good about LPs, people think I'm against the other side.

9:06BubblemanI fight till the death for home grows. I fight for dispensaries. I fight for all access that we could possibly get. But part of that access is LPs, and yeah, of course I would fight for them as well. It's access. I mean, I don't think a lot of these people that have jumped on the bandwagon were around 20 years ago when we were getting arrested and put in jail.

9:24BubblemanI'm really not quite sure. Same with people that are like, say no on OMA. It's like, maybe you should read it and just check it out. It's a foot in the door. It's not like this is what we're going to, this is the thing that's going to be the save all, that's going to be the thing that we use for the end of time. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

9:38BubblemanIt's like a foot in the door. You need a foot in the door. And that's how it happened here in Canada. And we've just continually made it better. And we will continue to make it better. As the government shits on us, we just shit right back and tell them, guess what? We've got good lawyers and we know our shit. And when we get you on the stand, it will be very, very aware that you do not know your shit.

10:00BubblemanAnd that's what's happened time and time and time again here in Canada when Conroy just gets one of these Health Canada guys up on the stand and just Utterly destroys him because they don't even know. I mean, remember when the guy called it Oog or Oog Kush, John, when he was, the guy's like, dude, even the judge was like, man, you don't even know the terms, bro.

10:22BubblemanLike, you're supposed to be the expert?

10:24SpeakerIt's scary. I know. It was quite funny, actually. But that's the whole thing is we have a system of corporates. I would say, well, you've got different ends of corporate. You've got the ones that want to help, the ones that are involved in the system that are definitely about the patients and about access, and then you've got the ones like in any business that are in it for the money and don't know nothing but just want to do, you know, make everything work for their stock to go up or down or whatever.

10:49SpeakerSo it's just that type of a world. Absolutely. Welcome, John. Morning, John.

10:58BubblemanGood morning, John. He's probably got his mic still muted and doesn't realize it. What are we going to do? Nice to have you in the room nonetheless, Indra. Nice slow start to Hash Church 102. A little bit of a coolness in the air waking up this morning. Felt like I had to put the hoodie on. Definitely summer is on its way out here in Canada.

11:22SpeakerGood morning, everyone. Good morning. My mic was muted. I did say good morning.

11:28BubblemanI called it.

11:30SpeakerYou nailed it, Velvoman.

11:31BubblemanI could picture it and be like, good morning, everyone. How are you all? All nice and polite and then realizing shit. I don't think my mic is on.

11:41Etienne FontanWell, I'm going to start with a bomber.

11:43BubblemanOh, I'll join you, John.

11:45Etienne FontanOh, let me make a three.

11:47BubblemanYes, yes, yes. Let's do that. I've got a little bit of something, something here somewhere.

11:54Etienne FontanI took, let's see, I took some of your OG Kush cleaner and I did it with my own mix of hash, which is about 530, I think I'm somewhere around those. I take all my hashes and I put them in an oven at about 120 degrees and I mix them all together and I stir them all together. I like the full cannabinoid spectrum. And then I just took some of the Guild Extracts, CBDA and THCA and sprinkled it on top here.

12:27Etienne FontanSo I've got a little smorgasbord to burn toward the Vatican this morning. So much love.

12:33BubblemanAh yes, ah yes. We always love to burn towards the Vatican. What's up there fellow friend with a PH on both fellow and friend? Good morning, Mark. I live vicariously through you, Mark. I live vicariously through you.

12:49SpeakerYeah, well, it's been a great, it was like an entire second set, Mark, last night. It was like they started with Slave, which was a great, I don't think they've opened with Slave since like 88. It's just a very unusual song for them to open up with, so it was just a complete second set show. It was awesome. It was great.

13:11Etienne FontanWas it The Grateful Fish? Was it The Grateful Fish?

13:15SpeakerThe fish from Vermont with a PH. So, yeah, it was great. But, you know, we're here in Colorado, and I brought Dave Malone from Green Dot. He's probably one of the top live resin producers in the city of Boulder. If anyone's ever in Boulder and you're around in those dispensaries, those boys are killing it. His genetics are great, and... Michelle, the one who's doing the extraction now, is just really great.

13:46SpeakerShe's going to be taking my class in a couple weeks. Yeah, it was really great to see everybody out in force last night because, man, there's just like an overall haze to the entire place. I think it's more vapor than it is fatties. I mean, I see a lot of fatties being smoked, but certainly, Lots of pens, lots of little blue and red lights. Wow.

14:12BubblemanMan, I'll never forget tripping so hard at Fish 94 Bangor where they actually did that 37-minute long tweezer that ended up on the double live album. Yeah, the tweezer was fascinating. They just killed it so hard, but I remember people just smoking like Marlboros, like Marlboros everywhere. And I was so high that it looked like all of the smoke was coming off their cigarettes. Coalescing into these like funnels and going right into both of my eyes.

14:42BubblemanI would love to go to a fish show where people weren't fucking smoking cigarettes. Dude, that to me would be...

14:47SpeakerI had to tell three people last night to put their cigarette out because it was just... Yeah, they light a cigarette and then they're dancing next to you and wherever you go, wherever your head is, that's where the fucking smoke goes. It's some kind of energy vortex or something. Maybe it's my air and static electricity. I seem to attract... Mollyed out chicks and cigarettes. It's definitely the hair.

15:13BubblemanNo, believe it or not, it's fish. They're the ones attracting these things and you just happen to be there.

15:21SpeakerI think every time I go to a show without my wife, my wife is usually with me. We go to shows all the time together, but whenever I go to a show and I'm not with a woman, I always seem to attract that mollied out chick with the pacifier and the trying to take cell phone video while she's balancing a big tall boy, spilling it all over the place with a cigarette in one hand.

15:45SpeakerYeah, obnoxious concert goers. Face it, you are flypaper for weirdos.

15:53BubblemanHey John, how you doing? Flypaper for weirdos, that's pretty awesome. Hey, welcome Brett Maverick to the room, a new panelist for us. Young kid out there in the cannabis social media world that's been killing it for the last couple of years at least for sure. Welcome Brett. Welcome Brett.

16:11Etienne FontanWelcome Brett.

16:15BubblemanHe might be dealing with some technical difficulties. He's at his grandpa's house and this is the first time.

16:20Etienne FontanThere he is, just like that.

16:22BubblemanWelcome, Brett. What's going on, homie? Can't hear you, though. We've got to get that mic going. We've got the Jungle Boys hat, though. Jungle Boys be killing it.

16:36Etienne FontanWho are the Jungle Boys?

16:38BubblemanThe Jungle Boys are, I believe they're in Cali, are they not? He's going to tell us. When he gets his mic working. You might have to reboot your browser. I've had to do that before.

16:53Etienne FontanYeah, make sure you have the latest. If you're using Chrome, make sure you've got the latest update. It updated last night, SFYI.

17:00BubblemanOh.

17:01Etienne FontanYeah, it's always best, always fine to, right before that is go boom boom.

17:05BubblemanLA, that's where the Jungle Boys are from. As Excelsior and Roji and Meds in Them Hills and Rand Corp. All. And Moxie. Yeah, everyone's telling us where they're from. They're in Cali! Yeah, I've been seeing some really beautiful things from them posted. You know, they grow pretty killer herb. I saw something today, it was like cookie pie or something. It was just completely, as a hash maker, it made me smile, actually.

17:36Etienne FontanHey, speaking of, did you notice this week a new Weedikit video? Season started on Vice Channel. I don't know if you get that there in Canada, but there's a show called Weed-A-Kit that basically is their reporter following different situations on cannabis, and this season started off about parents on cannabis. It started, I think, last season with kids on cannabis.

18:00BubblemanOkay.

18:01Etienne FontanIt was dealing with parents' issues, and yeah, I like the show. It's only a half hour, but it Thank you for joining us.

18:28Etienne FontanWith his own vigor. Jesus Christ, Mark, what is that crazy lime green goop?

18:34SpeakerSo, yeah, I gave David a ticket to the show last night, and I said, your money's no good with me, but you know what a great thing to trade for ticks is, you know, the best live resin in Boulder, Colorado, coming from Greed Dot. This stuff is killing it. His genetics are unbelievable. When you smell these live resins, you feel like you're walking through the grow.

18:56TonyIt's great.

18:56SpeakerI love it. Beautiful. You don't even have to vape them to get nice on. You can just open them up. What's the flavor? I think this here is a thing called papaya. It's really fruity. And he's got another one called, this is some kind of cake. I'll post the genetics later maybe on the And it's got like a sugar frosting kind of, I don't know how to describe it, almost like a pastry.

19:32SpeakerI don't know what that terp is. I've never smelled that terp, but it smells like a Danish that you'd eat for breakfast.

19:38BubblemanHas he done terpene analysis on these?

19:41SpeakerNo. Actually, if I don't dab it all, I'm going to try. Save a sample enough so we can shoot them on the GC, and we'll try to post a follow-up with some data later on. But Dave's really killing it. He's just a local guy here. He doesn't get a lot of write-ups in high times, but they don't enter any cups, but man, they are just killing it.

20:05Etienne FontanHey, Brett. It looks like you tried back again. Let's see if you got your voice.

20:12BubblemanIt's like the mic isn't working. Might have to go into the preferences and grab the mic. I'm not too sure. It sucks because we really want to hear from you. That is for certain. We've got 776 people that probably want to hear from you as well, which isn't too bad for 9.20 on a Sunday morning. I've got to give it up to you guys. I mean, I'm sure some of you guys are in Europe, so it makes it a little bit easier, but...

20:34BubblemanStill, definitely.

20:36SpeakerIt is a long weekend too, so I mean.

20:39BubblemanIt is, it is.

20:40Etienne FontanYeah, in America it's Labor Day weekend, so we celebrate by taking the day off.

20:47BubblemanIt's a great day. It's a great way to celebrate right there.

20:52Etienne FontanI'm surprised. And it's the end of summer too. That's the signal here for end. Everybody's back in school and fall. We'll have officially get ready to start here in a sec.

21:02BubblemanWell. That's pretty frightening to think, but I'm at the same time happy as a parent. You know, I was going to mention something about how far we've come and how far we still yet have to come with cannabis. I was at the grocery store the other day with my wife wearing this very hoodie, and I had my little son with me, and we ended up bumping into a woman who found him to be very cute, and she ended up being a teacher at the local high school that both my kids go to.

21:25BubblemanShe's starting this year. And there's no problem, we're just having a conversation, but when I walk away... I've got this on my back. Which is the DNA hot box party in 2004 or something. Most epic, ridiculous party with... Dilated people in the couch on the stage, hanging with Don and Aaron, puffing full melt, watching the band from the back. So good. It was amazing, really. One of the greatest parties I've ever been to.

21:53BubblemanAnd I'm not even thinking twice about it, but then we walk down the next aisle and my wife kind of comes over. She's like, oh, you had that shirt on. I think she was looking right at it. And there's kind of this nervous energy. And where is she stopping me to tell me this? Is right in front of the cereal and I look over and I look at the cereal and it's got a giant pot leaf on it.

22:13BubblemanThere's like pot leaf, hemp cereal in the grocery store. Literally one line over. I'm like look it's okay. Look it's okay. It's here. It's here in the grocery store so it's okay. So we still have a little bit of that. You know, like, I feel it with my family. They're not cannabis, you know, lovers the way I am. They have no connection to it in the same way I do.

22:34BubblemanAnd therefore, it's not that they don't like it. They're just, it's not their mission to be very vocal about it. And they definitely can get a little bit embarrassed when dad has the pot leaf shirt or the pot leaf hat on.

22:46Etienne FontanDo your kids get grief because dad's bubble man?

22:49BubblemanNo, no, I think that they feel that they could. They don't like the idea of, you know, they're navigating in a world of bullyism where anything that stands out you can be made fun of. So it can be a stutter, it can be like something your dad or mother does, it can be like clothes that you wear, it can be literally anything and everything. So I think that They're just trying to navigate this world that can be quite scary if you let the wrong people get a hold of the information.

23:18BubblemanThey can make your life hell. So I think it's really a worry that's not necessarily, you know, it doesn't really have any foundations in my reality, but I think it has a very, very strong foundation in the reality of kids that go to high school and junior high right now.

23:32SpeakerThere's an unspoken thing going on on earth that nobody really talks about too much. And that is that kids learn all their behavior at home. They're homeschooled in behavior. And nobody wants to buy that. The kid does something wrong, they're like, I don't understand why my kid did that. The kids watch every move you make, every word out of your mouth, every thought that you come up with, and that's how they navigate the world.

24:03SpeakerAnd so when you have a situation like that, you have to You have to think back and realize that, you know, she's also a product of her parents and they were a product of their parents. And I think the behavior thing is always a generation or two behind reality. You know, you still have people looking at a potluck from there going, oh, you're a druggie.

24:32Etienne FontanYeah, exactly. This reminds me, I have a little story. I got high with Tommy Chong once. We did an interview back in the 90s in Los Angeles. And as we're sitting there getting high, he says, I'm going to tell you a story. He's like, my daughter, Rae Dawn Chong, came to me. She was about 15, 16, he said. He said, Dad, can I get some pot from you?

24:58Etienne FontanAnd he was like, um... Okay, this time and this one time only I will give you some pot. Because you're my daughter, I don't want you to score it off of a dealer, etc., etc. But realize, this is the only time I'm ever going to give you pot. I'm never going to give you pot again, so don't come asking in any way, shape, or form. And so he rolled her a couple of joints, put a couple of buds in a bag, and sent her on her way.

25:31Etienne FontanNext day. She shows up. Hey, Daddy, can I get some pot? And he's like, Ray, I told you yesterday, one time, one time only, and I gave you a lot of pot. What the hell happened to it? And she goes, well, Dad, you wouldn't believe how much money I can get for Tommy Chong's pot at school.

26:04BubblemanOh my God, dude. Just the worst thing ever as a parent. It's like, no, you don't understand. You can't. That's the last thing. Listen, I'm happy with my kids. I understand that because they grew up in this environment that they have less of an interest To be focused on the cannabis world now. But I could see a day when they get a little bit older where they actually have a real interest, when they understand more about what's going on in the world and that this is really an incredible plant and no matter what your interests are, you can almost always pick a road with cannabis, whether you want to be a biologist or a chemist, whether you want to be a botanist or work in agriculture, whether you want to There's so many different aspects of cannabis is basically what I'm saying.

26:53BubblemanLots of options. Welcome, Tony. Brett's still trying to get his microphone working. He's working on it. He's going to get it happening.

27:00TonyMorning, Tony. Morning, guys. How's everyone doing? Morning, Tony. Did you make that yet? I went to the place to get the liquid nitrogen, and they have these different doers that you can get. And they have a new series of doers that, of course, takes a week to get. But it's the one that I wanted to get. It's a special one that's like, I don't know, they build like an in-core.

27:31TonyAnd it can be like boiling on the outside, but it still remains negative 300 on the inside.

27:39BubblemanHow long can it hold the liquid nitrogen, that one? Because the regular ones only really hold it for about a week.

27:48TonyThat's a good question. I'll ask the guy, but this one seemed to be a little bit different than the older series because they have like a tube that goes inside the dweller that keeps it insulated and keeps it Keeps it sealed. I don't know.

28:08SpeakerThe tube is used to use gaseous nitrogen at room temperature to push liquid nitrogen into your receiver doer. So if you're talking about a storage doer that you're going to put several gallons of liquid nitrogen, that's where you're going to keep it for, like Mark says, a week. It depends. They have to be vented because you can't put it under a closed thing because you're So the thing is, you're slowly going to lose it, but the tube that you're putting in there is basically grabbing the liquid nitrogen when you use, we used to have just this little plug, you sit on the top of the doer, you turn on your gaseous nitrogen flow, and automatically it starts the liquid nitrogen flow into your laboratory size doer, which you take down the lab.

28:51TonyExactly. That's the setup I'm trying to get. So that takes a minute. It's not like you go down and buy a CO2 tank. First, you've got to get the right gear, and then know what the hell you're doing next.

29:02SpeakerBut it's totally standard laboratory equipment. There's nothing that's unusual about that at all. And the bad news is, it's only going to last a week unless you buy a giant container. It takes a bigger container to make it last longer. It just, it's venting 24-7 as the nitrogen is coming off. You know, I had a room in Switzerland where the whole building burnt down around it, but I had a 300 And 50 liter door container of liquid nitrogen in the room.

29:35SpeakerAnd the room itself got so hot that the gas bottles that were in the room, in Switzerland they put a plastic web-like thing over the bottle so they don't clank together if you have a bunch of them. And those all melted down on the floor, but nothing in the room started on fire because as the room heated up, The cylinder gave off more nitrogen and that kept the fire from coming in my room at all.

30:00SpeakerBut it burnt the rest of the textile factory down to the ground and melted the girders that were holding the roof up.

30:06BubblemanJesus Christ.

30:08SpeakerBut that was, I mean, we were making a lot of certain method, material anyway.

30:18BubblemanI always know when John talks, it's going to be something like, You've got quite the stories, John. I've got to say I appreciate them.

30:30SpeakerWell, listen, the guys in Switzerland had a warehouse. That was around 800 feet long and 300 feet wide. And the whole inside of the thing had these 6 foot by 6 foot boxes that were filled up with pot from a previous year that they grew. But they couldn't process it fast enough and mice got in it all and built nests and pissed on everything.

30:54BubblemanYou told us about this piss. This is interesting actually because you said you extracted it and got the smell out of it.

31:01SpeakerWell what I did was... First off, we got all the trichromes out of it and by a method which I'll describe sometime later on. But then after we did that, the trichromes, we treated them with liquid nitrogen and they just, it got, all mouse pelt smell went away and they were very fresh. We made about 880 kilos of that particular hash from that. And then the rest of the stuff, the oil extracted, of course, Pristine because, you know, mouse piss doesn't have any oils or anything in it.

31:39SpeakerAnd so, yeah, it was famous all over Switzerland. They called it Nupella. I know I told you that before. I hate repeating myself.

31:47BubblemanWhat year was that? Like 2002, 2003? No, it was starting it right at 1999 and 2000.

31:51SpeakerThen it went on. I mean, we made it for...

32:01SpeakerQuite a while because in Switzerland it got very popular and these guys, like I said, they had this building. And eventually, a year on when I moved to a new spot, that place caught on fire. Boy, what a fire that was. They had fire trucks from all over Switzerland come there and you could smell pot in the air for about four days afterwards.

32:24BubblemanJesus Christ.

32:25SpeakerJohn, can I ask a question? So, anything about the mouse piss remediation technique, so you just use, you use dry ice. Now, you know, piss, one of the major... Did not use dry ice, don't get confused. Oh, I'm sorry, liquid nitrogen? Liquid nitrogen, put the trichromes in a barrel and poured in liquid nitrogen, stirred it up for a while. When the liquid nitrogen went off, I suppose it took the piss with it because everything smelled fresh and nice after that.

32:59SpeakerSo uric acid is not volatile though, right? So uric acid is a major component in the urine. Where do you think that went? I don't know. I'm just saying that this is, I tried that to see if it would work, to see if it would freshen it up, and it did. The chemistry behind it, I don't know. Could be that the uric acid and whatever urines were in there were frozen and Thank you so much for joining us.

33:57SpeakerType of fractionation, you think, to remediate contaminated material? I mean, not just urine contaminated, but other types of contaminated material? Well, Tony was right on to the trail. That's exactly what I was doing, Tony. I was, at the time, searching high and low for a way to get rid of mold and stuff like that out of hash and plus the smell of the mouse piss. I mean, Literally it was, you know, these guys were just, they had all this and it was either throw it away or find some way to put it to use.

34:36SpeakerJohn, if you get rid of the mold, you're not getting rid of the toxins that the mold may have caused though, correct? Well... I tell you the truth, I'm not sure about any of that because afterwards they took the hash to the laboratory and the laboratory tested it and they said clean and pure. This was a mold test and everything test pretty much because they didn't want to start giving it out unless they were sure it was okay.

35:11SpeakerAnd they came up with a clean bill of health. So, John, could this just be a fractionation process by which whatever contamination you're dealing with, you're basically just purifying THCA. You know, if THCA is basically what the lab analyzed and it said that the hash was clean or it worked or whatever like that, is this just, again, a purification of a highly crystalline compound because you're cryogenically cooling it in an environment where, again, You know, the crystal and lattice energy is a very powerful thing when those crystals start finding each other or the molecules start finding each other and they drop into the crystal and lattice.

35:53SpeakerIt's a low energy form that is certainly something to take advantage of. And if you're saying that this is a method that could be generally used, it might be really, really useful. Well, I used it for a number of years, so I like it a lot. In the last couple of days, I have To develop a very simple catalyst that if you have oil that was extracted cryogenically, like the process does when it's done right, and then you treat it with this very simple organic catalyst, all of the THA starts falling out in crystalline form and just fills up the bottom of the glass.

36:36SpeakerI sent Mark a video of the THCA just pissing out of Out of an oil solution with this catalyst in it, and it just pours out and fills up the glass, and it's very, very, very pure. It's crystalline. In fact, even on top of the thing, there you go, Mark's holding it up right there, and I sent him a time lapse of it where you can actually watch the thing as they're born, as they're pouring into it.

37:09SpeakerYeah, Mark in the purple shirt. We'll talk about this sometime. Is this a homogeneous or a heterogeneous catalyst? This is neither. This is a much simpler catalyst. Listen, let us first back this truck up a little bit. Catalyst can be a lot of things. It doesn't necessarily need to be a heterogeneous or a homogeneous catalyst. Known catalyst. There's a lot of unknown catalyst things that you add this to that and boom, you get something new.

37:37SpeakerYou know what I'm saying? I'm listening. I'm not going to say what it was right now because it's not ready to be released. But if you look at that picture, if Mark shows you that again sometime or if you see it closer, the It's a time lapse over a two minute period that I took of this PHCA just falling out of solution in oil. What happened to the catalyst?

38:12SpeakerDoes it stay in the oil? The catalyst is removed under vacuum. It takes about a minute and it's gone and it leaves no footprint whatsoever. I'm not going to say the name of it right now. I'm not asking for the name. I'm just asking if the catalyst is still in the oil. That's all I ask. No, no, it's not, and it doesn't stay in it, and it's a volatile thing, and it comes off in 100%.

38:41SpeakerI ran it. On my CG and mass spectrophotometer after, and it's very, very, very extremely nothing in it that I can see. You know, I had the original stuff, ran that, and I ran this, and it came pretty much identical, as identical as CGs get anyway. But it works really good. I mean, anybody could be, you'd be happy to do this and watch it, watch it go into action.

39:12SpeakerI mean, it's just crazy. I was getting all set to buy a thin film scraping, yeah, rotovap. Thin film evaporator? Yeah, thin film evaporator. And this idea popped in my head and I thought, gee, I just wonder if, and maybe now I don't need a thin film evaporator because it just, it presents itself differently.

39:46BubblemanI love the look on the faces of the panelists that are just like, please just tell me what you're talking about.

39:53TonyWell, at the word catalyst, I realized that this red Congolese flower rosin that I smoked is an extreme catalyst for the THC that just entered my body.

40:08SpeakerWell, exactly. The word catalyst, I mean, is it a verb? Is it an adjective? No, it's not. A catalyst is a thing. It's an entity, something. Yeah, well, it's something that catalyzes something else. That's correct. It catalyzes it by lowering something called an activation energy, which is basically the gate between a reactant and a product. And so if you lower the roller coaster, the car can get over the hill.

40:41SpeakerEasier. And where it lands is not necessarily where it began. And that's what catalysis is all about. Right. Well, when it happened, I was just tickled pink. And afterwards, I dried some out. It dries out into these really nice little crystals. And I think it's that marker picture from those. But I hardly see them at this point in time because it was my very first effort. Now I've got a great big glass with a significant amount of it in it.

41:10SpeakerAnd I'm playing with it to see the best way to get the rest of the liquid off of them. But I'll tell you, a puff on those is a puff in the cerebral direction of life for sure. But that's terpene-free, correct? Well, I'm sure it is. The terpenes are still in the glass. What does the catalyst do to the terpenes? It didn't do anything to them. So this is a catalyst that just basically you add to enhance the likelihood of THCA crystallization.

41:58SpeakerWell, there's more to it than that. First off, it's got to be extracted using my method. And then it has to be put into a deep freeze and frozen really hard. Then after setting the deep freeze for a while, take it out and put it in the glass and add the catalyst. And as it thaws out, you can see the process starting. And it just starts pissing off and pissing off.

42:23SpeakerAnd it takes a couple of two, three hours to complete because the thing thaws out. As it thaws out, it's just constant activity. And at the end, you see the crystals that you can see in that glass forming. And they form on top of the water, or water, I'm sorry, they form on top of the liquid that's in the glass as white crystals, and they start crystallizing out little three-pronged ones.

42:51SpeakerAnd when they get heavy enough, they sink down and more come up. It's interesting.

42:59BubblemanIt looks pretty trippy. I would like... A higher quality video, as always. I'm always down with the higher quality photos and videos of these things happening, but maybe I'll... Go ahead, John.

43:13SpeakerI've been making time lapses of it since last night, trying to get a really good one, and I'll send you one today. I did get a few good ones last night.

43:26TonyNice. There are also a lot of things that could be happening with the interactions with those terpenes. We've been, we found that like when we use the, specifically the ACDC terpenes in the CBD crystalline that was being done with Gold Drop, it takes a lot longer time than that, like weeks and weeks and weeks, but using just terpenes in heavy concentration, 30-40%, we started doing that with other ones and noticed that Certain ones were like catalysts for speeding that up.

44:01TonyThe strawberry banana goo would literally go from a sap to a crystal in front of your eyes like within an hour or so. But other ones wouldn't do that. So I always found that interesting. It's definitely like kind of the gray zone, like what's happening there chemically, you know? But I mean, I don't know. I just noticed that like I've done say 20 different ones And they all crystallize out.

44:30TonyNow I'm doing like CBD terp crystals. So I'm seeing different ones do different things and affect different way the process works.

44:40SpeakerTony, are the crystals pure CBD or are they pure CBD crystals with terpenes in the crystal?

44:50TonySo it starts as a 99.9% CBD crystal.

44:57TonyThen that gets pulverized into a powder, and then that raw gets like soaked in those terpenes, and then they recrystallize on their own.

45:11SpeakerAnd so when they recrystallize, is there liquid left over, or are the terpenes incorporated into the CBD?

45:18TonyTerpenes are incorporated in my process.

45:22SpeakerBy the way, Tony, this is... Red Congolese also. So I've got the same catalyst, dude. This is not terpenes. This is Red Congolese. This is Red Congolese too. Actually, no. I was quite literally giving kilos of it away this afternoon.

45:46BubblemanOh, that's great.

45:50SpeakerI'll be right there.

45:51BubblemanI heard you come in, Brett. Are you there?

45:56BubblemanDamn, that's crazy. He's having the hardest time getting this mic working.

45:59TonyYeah, because he's writing in the chat over here, he's saying that he's using Explorer, and I was like, what's that? I didn't even know people still use it, like Explorer, because Explorer has so many issues with so many things. Dude, he's at his grandpa's.

46:12Etienne FontanWell, that's why I suggested him using Chrome, because all we're using is YouTube and Google technology, which that's why Chrome seems to be the best gateway I've found.

46:22TonyYeah. Yeah.

46:24BubblemanI use Safari personally, but I have used Chrome. Both Safari and Chrome work good.

46:30TonyWell, let's test him out. He's writing us. Can you hear us? Give us a thumbs up if you can hear us. Okay, he can hear us. Is your microphone turned up in your computer?

46:41BubblemanOh, he's been at this for 20 minutes. He must have. Could you imagine the mute buttons on? Well, it happens, man.

46:48SpeakerWell, he might have a loose wire or something, because when he was bending over and doing it, the mic was activating, bringing his picture up, and you could hear the microphone plug or something. Exactly. So I think he's got a loose wire or something's not quite right. Take the headphones off, see if you can work through the laptop or whatever. There, I heard it again. There's your picture.

47:13BubblemanYeah, it might just be where it's fitting into the computer. You might have to move it around a little bit. Yeah, the headphone jack. Yeah, it could be the headphone jacks. Or unplug your headphones and see if you can get it to work without headphones.

47:28Etienne FontanOr try another pair of headphones. Sometimes these wires go bad, too.

47:32TonyAnd if you have a pair of headphones that doesn't have a mic, then all you're going to be able to do is listen. Like this one has a mic on it.

47:38BubblemanAlright, it's time for a Congolese rip for those of you that have it.

47:42TonyPlease.

47:44BubblemanCongo Bongo. I'm dunking.

47:47SpeakerHey Tony, you have Congolese down there? I'm going to take my red Congolese and dip it in red Congolese turps.

48:00TonyIt's a... It gets you, it's really strong. It's a high concentration of mercine. The terpene profile is in the 90s of purity and the mercine is at like 75, 78 percent of that. So it's really heavy behind the eyes.

48:24BubblemanIt's absolutely strong. It is absolutely a strong, strong cultivar.

48:31SpeakerWell, you know, the stuff that's heavy behind the eyes seems to be really good for people who are suffering with eye problems like glaucoma. You know, it makes a big difference in the pressure, the interocular pressure.

48:47TonyYep.

48:48SpeakerIt's quite incredible. Anonymide analogs work better than any cannabinoid or terpene or glaucoma.

48:58SpeakerWell, I'm 70 and I don't have it yet, so I'm just going to keep on keeping on.

49:03TonyWell, the Temple Balls that I'm talking about, though, John, is going to be the Red Congolese Full Melt with the Red Congolese Flower Rosin and my terpenes in that mix, too.

49:18BubblemanNow that's a Bubble Man brand right there.

49:21SpeakerYeah, it is, baby. Take a look. Tony, do I get some stash out of this? Of course. Yeah. Of course. Yeah, all you can smoke in five minutes. Oh, careful. Yeah, I've had that before, and give me five minutes to prepare, and then I can do a lot of damage in five minutes, believe me. Yesterday I had two. To yourself or somebody else? Both of us.

49:54SpeakerI still remember Rob Clark smoking like a gram or two of my dry sip that was super cleaned up. After he took a big giant hit, he couldn't take a breath. He couldn't breathe. He was going...

50:12BubblemanI'll never forget the story of you telling me that while he laid on his back on your living room floor trying to catch a breath and you sat on your couch laughing at him.

50:21SpeakerYeah, I did. I'm glad he didn't die, though. I would have hated to have been the first one to kill somebody with marijuana. Yeah. Man. What a distinction.

50:32BubblemanThat's an insane amount of dry sift to hit in one rip. Full melt, 99% heads. Like, even the tiniest, like a tenth of a gram.

50:39SpeakerWould destroy most people. It just coated his lungs, and when he tried to get fresh air into his lungs, they couldn't reach it. They were coated with resin. Should have taken the precaution that I always take when I take a huge hit of something, is I sit and hyperventilate for a couple of minutes against the eventuality that the hit might cause me to pass out, because I have had that happen.

51:06SpeakerWell, if you pass out, you breathe. He just couldn't breathe because his lungs were coated.

51:12BubblemanI have a question for the panel. Who here has been knocked out from taking a rip?

51:22TonyI have. Really? Yeah, you were there, I think, in Amsterdam. I mean, it was like a consecutive of...

51:34BubblemanI don't remember you getting knocked out.

51:37TonyWell, I just got tired because I just lost of oxygen.

51:41BubblemanYeah, but falling asleep doesn't count. You fall asleep all the time. You eat edibles. You'll puff tough, capture like a half hour nap. You're awake again.

51:49SpeakerI'm talking about knocked out.

51:52TonyI did get my bell ringed at the Legends party when Skunk Man Sam made me. Yeah, that was actually the first time I've actually had my bell rung where it was like, And like literally, listen.

52:11Etienne FontanThe first time you hear a bell ring, yeah, actually the first time I had a bell ring, honestly, I would have to say, Sam, it was with you back with Ed Holloway in Netherlands. You had just come back in and you came and visited him and you clocked off a little chunk of this stuff. And that's the first time I had ever... I've never been knocked out by a hit from Cannabis ever.

52:34Etienne FontanI'd love to try it. I mean, but I'll never forget that. That was definitely, I would say, at the Legends, what happened was everybody put their hash into that big

53:00TonyHubbly Bubbly.

53:01SpeakerYeah. Shout out to Sid and the Hubbly Bubblies. That knocks down everybody. You can try, but that's all you're doing, trying.

53:12TonyBut you were like a coach, though. Anyone that came up to this thing, you were like, go, go, puff.

53:18BubblemanOh, yeah, no. No, even more than that, he'd be like, okay, this is what you're going to have to do. I want you to get a good seal. I want you to really like sort of hyperventilate in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out. It's like, dude.

53:29SpeakerHyperventilate with smoke each time.

53:32TonyYeah. And expect four to six different types of pits, minimum. He's going to push you. Yeah, huge, like full on. And there's an air thing. Remember to start this thing, the accordion thing that you have to let.

53:48Etienne FontanThat sounds worse than the gray areas gram challenge or whatever.

53:51BubblemanHey, Sam, do you want to tell the people watching a little bit about what the hubbly bubbly is?

53:58SpeakerWell, a hubbly bubbly is basically a water pipe. But instead of being the way it is in Egypt or in Turkey, Istanbul, it's got a bowl, or excuse me, a pipe where the smoking arm coming off of it is not a flexible pipe. It's a stiff pipe. A piece of wood that you hit on. So what you do is you lift up the bowl and the stem and there's a clock that's going around it that fits into the glass hubbly-bubbly.

54:40SpeakerAnd you lift that up and you blow down the, in reverse, the stick and you blow out all the smoke from the chamber of the water pipe. Thank you for watching.

55:22BubblemanThe highest I have ever been was standing out in front of that Lebanese restaurant.

55:29TonyYeah, I was sitting in that restaurant the highest I've ever been.

55:33SpeakerEven when I wasn't hitting on it, when I was just making other people's pipes and getting secondhand smoke, I would get so fucking high, I'd have to go out in front of the restaurant and breathe fresh air for a few minutes and then go back in.

55:46BubblemanWell, even the wives eventually would leave early.

55:51SpeakerI remember it was like just hard to see at the end of the video. It was beautiful in the back. It was like a haze in the back.

55:58TonyI felt like somebody took a bath at one point and it was like, and it was like then there was just and I was like sitting against the wall and I couldn't even like, I had no, like the visual wasn't there. I was like inside my audio world, but I was like seeing visuals in the audio. It was like this crazy, like Experience and I remember Buddha, Big Buddha came up to me and he was trying to talk to me and he was like pushing me and he was like, how am I?

56:29TonyHey! And I couldn't like understand anything he was saying and it was like my reality started to slowly come back as he was talking and then I could actually understand the words that he was saying.

56:39SpeakerHe was probably speaking Bhutanese.

56:44SpeakerHave you guys ever been to the damp cring? Yes, I have. Oh, yeah. I used to love to go to the Damkring. Of course, yeah. Well, if you love that. I live here in Amsterdam. I hardly go to coffee shops ever, except to see people or an event or something.

57:05Etienne FontanAll right, all right. I've got to ask you this question then, Sam. If you did go to a shop or two, what shops would you go to?

57:15SpeakerI really wouldn't. I mean, I've got better stash than they do.

57:20Etienne FontanI was just saying in case you didn't have your own stash, and I know you would always make sure, I was just wondering what would you pick, because I know locals like myself, I thought like Katsu.

57:29SpeakerLet me think, 30 years to go, where would I have gone? Probably to Rustland, because that's when I didn't have stash. Right. Sounds like you should open a coffee shop up, Sam.

57:46BubblemanI always liked the damp crane. I always liked, you know, Arian's Greenhouse off the dam rack there is really nice, right on the canal, right in the heart of the red light and lots of action going on and lots of people. I usually would go for the same reason, to meet friends, definitely not to go purchase stuff off the menu because I always felt like my stash was better than any of the coffee shop stashes.

58:11BubblemanI was often getting stashed from people who supplied the coffee stash Coffee Houses, so yeah, I also felt that way.

58:17SpeakerWhat was that other place where Neville used to hang out? Because we used to get stashed there once in a while.

58:24BubblemanWell, he used to hang out a little bit at the greenhouse, obviously, when he was partnered up with Arian. I'm not sure where before that. I met Neville at Arian's apartment above that greenhouse, and actually it's the same time I met Howard Marks. I met Howard Marks and Neville at the same time. Even though I had spoken with Neville prior on the phone and stuff, I had never actually met him, but I was super bummed out and disappointed when they all rolled up tobacco with hash.

58:54SpeakerBreeders Steve was there too, and he was like, when in Rome, you know, I can do that. I was just like, damn, like this is the... Howard Marks did not smoke quality hash. It got him too high on two stones. He didn't like it.

59:06BubblemanThis was quality though, I have to say. It was finger rubbed from super silver haze and it was about like a 30 gram ball and Arian was bragging that he could sell it for like $200 a gram to the Rolling Stones or whatever, but I was just like, Me and Steve smoked a good solid gram each of that shit just sitting there.

59:23SpeakerI had to leave eventually because the tobacco... Was Howard smoking that or was he smoking something else? He rolled it up into his spliff for sure. It was like melty finger rub. Maybe that's when he decided he didn't like stronger hash.

59:39BubblemanIt might have been. It for sure was that sort of... It was the kind of hash that caused certain people major anxiety. You know, like that narrow leaf drug cultivar.

59:52SpeakerVarieties like that definitely cause me anxiety. My anxiety is I want them.

59:57BubblemanYeah, I like them as well. And that's when I think Arian was saying like, oh, you know, see how much you can do of this. And Steve and I just looked at each other and we were like, all right, we'll see how much we can do of that.

1:00:10SpeakerMy anxiety from that is, am I going to run out?

1:00:13BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Dude, I'm telling you. I got so high that day. Here's a great story. We went to one of Arian's grows, and he had all these different narrow-leaf drug cultivars going. I think it was actually the beginning of Arian's Haze, Arian's Haze 1, Arian's Haze 2, because I remember those were the names of the cultivars. But I had gotten so high on that hash, and it was really a great hash, for finger rub especially, collected off scissors and stuff.

1:00:43BubblemanI had a Marcel Braun pipe that was probably worth about $2,500 US dollars at the time and the year was probably like 2000, 2001. And so I had this pipe in a big silver like briefcase that looked like it would be full of money. And I left it on my bicycle, tied up on the back of the bike, right out in front of that greenhouse coffee shop, which is really fucking insane if you know the area and how, like, people will steal shit, like, you can't even imagine how transient and how many people from all over the world are just flowing through this little...

1:01:22SpeakerI know what happened. A junk came and stole the bike and left the silver... Dude, that...

1:01:27BubblemanThe bike was there, the pipe was there, everything was there, and I... I was at Arian's... Grow when I realized, holy shit! I couldn't remember if I, I was like, I'm pretty sure I took it out and tied it to the bike because I was going to go somewhere else and then they were like, no, jump in the car and we'll go to this grow and I just...

1:01:47BubblemanI was so happy when that pipe was still there when I got back.

1:01:51TonyI can see that happening with you because I've hung out with you and sometimes you have serious sessions and you get somewhere and you go, oh my God, oh my God, my camera. And I'm like, no, it's around your shoulder. Because you're like holding so many things. But I can see how you would just place that pipe on the bike.

1:02:11SpeakerI can beat that one. I one time was in Amsterdam and I was going to visit a friend in Rotterdam. So I took a whole bunch of seeds, like I don't know, four or five kilos of seeds, a whole bunch of different kinds. And I put them in a cardboard box to take with me. And I sat them on the roof of the car, I got in the car, and I drove away.

1:02:37SpeakerI came back like a half an hour later and the seeds were sitting there in my parking spot.

1:02:45BubblemanOh my God. Okay, that's just ridiculous.

1:02:51SpeakerAnd at that point, I was practically in tears, screaming and yelling. Jesus. Check it out. I was in India. We went to Manali. We went to the villages up above Manali, and we got this unbelievably soft brown finger hash that was just incredible. And it was in fingers, too. It was rolled up. You know, that's the way they roll it. And... We got some, headed back down, went to the airport in Bombay to get on the plane to fly back to Bangalore to South India, which was like a $30 flight in those days, so it was real easy to go north, back and forth, and fly all around the country.

1:03:30SpeakerWhen I got to the airport, I had one of these carbon fiber knives with a Damascus blade And the carbon fiber was roughened in big triangles for the grip. There was a lot of these triangles all over it. And I had put two pieces of finger hash, one on either side on that knife when we left because I wanted to have something smoke along the way. So there we are in the airport going through the security.

1:03:59SpeakerMetal detector guy says, oh, you've got something in your pocket, sir. And I reached in and pulled it out and there was this knife with these two giant pieces of finger hash on either side of it. So the guy holds an envelope up to me and says, please put it in the envelope. It'll give it to you at the end other side. I dropped it in the envelope.

1:04:19SpeakerWe got on the plane. My friend John was with me. Well, I'm sweating bullets on the plane for about two hours because I know on the other end there's the local cop is going to get the security envelope and give it back to me or open it up or whatever. So we get off the plane. We're staying in the airport getting ready with our stories, of course, because, you know, you have to have some kind of a story before you bribe the police in India.

1:04:43SpeakerBut I knew it would be expensive. The cop walks up to me and he says, he says, my name, he says, are you so-and-so? And I said, yes, I am. He hands me the envelope and he says, here's your envelope from the other side and thank you very much. And he walks away. And we went out and got in the cab and we're driving away in the cab.

1:05:03SpeakerAnd the cab driver looks back, he sees us looking at the hash, and he passes us a pipe back over the seat, and we pulled over. And that was probably the highest, I think, or very close to one of the highest highs I ever had in my life because of the relief of not being busted in India.

1:05:22BubblemanYeah, and the potential adrenaline. Who knows? Maybe adrenaline activates the endocannabinoid system.

1:05:28SpeakerIt's clearly, what do they call all the other stuff that goes along with it? A suitcase, our traveler, you know, it's part of the thing. And I think the adrenaline definitely provided an amazing rush at that moment anyway.

1:05:43BubblemanYeah, that's unbelievable. Those stories, you know, we can definitely, I'm sure we all have some pretty good ones in regards to narrow escapes in the cannabis world.

1:05:54TonyBrett's going to have a good story for this Hash Church 102 because he's literally been texting, he's going back and forth in our private chat here, but he's tried every single thing. He's gone from Explorer to Chrome. He's got Google Plus. He's started two accounts. He's got two sets of headsets. He's tried it all. The mic might be pooched.

1:06:18SpeakerYeah. You keep hearing him when he plugs in and, you know, You know, another recent, last year, my son and I were driving from north down to the Santa Rosa area. And in the seat behind us, we had several k's of little bottles of golden oil. And we were on the coast highway. There was a bunch of motorhomes in front of us. And there was the bicycle race that they have every year up.

1:06:49SpeakerIn Northern California, it's a complete pain in the ass. A bunch of fucking bicyclers ride in the middle of the road, and you've got to go very slow to avoid hitting them. Anyway, after all the bikes went by, they were about to let the motorhomes go by, and State Tripper looked back, and he saw me sitting there, and he said, Doc, come on up. Come on up.

1:07:07SpeakerI'll let you out first, and you won't have to be behind the motorhomes. So I pulled up, and he says, I'll tell you when to go. My windows, of course, were all rolled up. And he says, could you hear me? And I said, yeah, I hear you fine. And he said, well, roll your window down. And I'm like, oh, shit. So Johnny rolls his window down. I roll my window down.

1:07:26SpeakerHe looks at me. And he goes, sir, he says, your car smells like marijuana. And I said, well, my son, who's sitting in the seat next to me here, has his paperwork with him. And he's the smoker. And he's the one that it smells like all the time, and he's got his paper. He says, can I see it? And Johnny hands me his mother's note from the doctor.

1:07:48SpeakerI hand it to him. He looks at it, hands it back, and he says, okay, drive carefully. He goes, by the way, because he has a car, it doesn't mean that you should smoke. And I said, what would you even think I was for? I'm busy taking him to the doctor. And we drove off. Jesus. With gallons of oil.

1:08:04BubblemanGallons.

1:08:07Etienne FontanI have a fun story. Gallons. We weren't traveling gallons, but we were on Hemp Tour. No, we were on Horde Tour in 94. And it was a crew of me and a couple of guys and a woman. And we were the legalization booth on the tour. They would allow us to come along. We'd set up booth and we'd sell Jack's books and all the grow books and hemp stuff.

1:08:38Etienne FontanAnd it's the New York State Fair. So remember this is the 90s so we didn't have internet so we couldn't search anything. So as you approach the State Fair there's a signal. They put an AM station which is the station for the actual State Fair. Switch the station and it's Welcome, it's Grandparents Day at the New York State Fair. We brought in over 1,400 state troopers from around the state of New York to guide you in with ease.

1:09:11Etienne FontanAnd we are blowing the big fatty of the most tastiest, delicious cannabis we had scored up in the Northeast. And we had a little bit with us as our stash. As we're on the road, because you know, you couldn't keep too much. We weren't keeping gallons and gallons of stuff, but this is the fun escape story. So I tell the driver, because I'm riding shotgun, I was like, whatever you do.

1:09:40Etienne FontanWe're just pulling off the exit and I'm like, you know, we just force down the windows and let the whole chimney, you know, go out of the vehicle. I say to him, whatever you do, do not stop and ask a trooper for directions of where we go for our setup for Horde Tour. He's like, no problem, man. We're cruising along, first state trooper. He pulls right over too and says, hey man, can you tell us where the Horde Tour setup is?

1:10:10Etienne FontanAnd he steps forward to us and says, okay, it's right.

1:10:17Etienne FontanOh, I smell marijuana. You pull over right now. And he goes into his little microphone. He's like, I've got a situation over here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we're pulling over and as we're pulling over, the guy who's driving reaches into his pocket and now pulls out his stash and pipe and has now shoved it over to me into my hand, which of course I immediately shove it into my pocket and we pull over and this state trooper is immediately in our window.

1:10:46Etienne FontanHe's like, okay, look, it's just a misdemeanor here in New York, just tell me where the pot is and it's all over with. And The guy driving is absolutely silent, and I'm in the passenger. I put my hands up. I'm like, officer, it's not marijuana you're smelling. There's no way we would do that. He's like, absolutely not. I smell marijuana. I know the smell of marijuana. Absolutely, this is pot.

1:11:10Etienne FontanI was like, look, we're on hemp tour. We're at the legalization booth. There's no way we're stupid enough to be carrying marijuana with us. He's like, I smell marijuana. I know it's marijuana. And at that time, I used to smoke cigarettes. And as I quit cigarettes, I was smoking BDs. Now, BDs are a clove-wrapped leaf that I got turned on to when I went to war in Saudi Arabia.

1:11:35Etienne FontanSo they would sell these BDs for like $50 with a string around them. And it's nasty, but it does smell like marijuana.

1:11:45SpeakerAnd so I immediately realized... Tobacco and cloves wrapped in a tobacco leaf.

1:11:51Etienne FontanWell, these were wrapped in a... These weren't a tobacco leaf, unfortunately. These were really kind of an odd clove they were wrapped in. But it had a smell kind of like marijuana. So... I realized I had those in my back pocket, and I pull them out of my back pocket, and I'm like, oh, officer, you must be smelling these. And he's like, what is that? I was like, oh, those are BDs.

1:12:13Etienne FontanIt's a type of cigarette, and I hand it to him. I said, it does smell like marijuana. I just burned one of those. That's probably what you're smelling. And he takes it, puts it in his hand, and he smells it. He's like, oh, okay. Hands it, I take it, and he goes, okay, so the entrance is, you're going to go up to the two streets, and you'll take a right, and you'll go sit up there.

1:12:37Etienne FontanI'm like, okay, officer, thank you very much, you have a great day.

1:12:40SpeakerI was in Goa and I had a bunch of Thai weed and a bunch of really good Afghan hash. And I crumbled it all up and made something that could be rolled up. And I took it to a beady guy and he rolled me a couple hundred beadies with Thai weed and Afghan in it. And that's what I used to smoke everywhere I went in India on public transportation or whatever.

1:13:06SpeakerNobody looked at me twice ever. Brilliant. I did the very same thing when I was in India. I had BDs rolled up out of really good material. And people in the north, if you rode third class on the train, you probably never did that. But I was trying to lose somebody who was following me all the time, who was in an interview room with me and asked this guru a question about me for some reason or other.

1:13:33SpeakerAnd after that, he asked this guy, is John going to get realization in this life? And the guy said, yes. So he followed me all over India. It was like a fucking disease. But anyway, in the north, when you lit up those biddies with pot in them and hash in them, people would just come sit by you. The people in third class, because the third class train rider, it's a bench in a box car, okay?

1:13:56SpeakerIt's a wooden bench. But the people in third class are very friendly. Well, people would often be sniffing around when I was smoking them, but they see me smoking a BD and that was it. They just knew that couldn't be it.

1:14:11BubblemanYeah, those third class trains have very friendly people, but they also just have a hole in the train to go to the bathroom.

1:14:23SpeakerWell, that's the same hole that you find out in first class, except for it's painted nicer and so forth and so on. Actually, in third class, they don't have a bathroom at all. You piss out the door. It's a boxcar. It's literally a boxcar. It's got straw on the floor for kids that piss and stuff, and it's got wooden bench seats, and that's it. Most of the people don't even ride inside.

1:14:46SpeakerThey climb up on top and ride on top until they come to a tunnel. When you come to the tunnels, you want to get off the top. Otherwise, you come out with blackface.

1:14:54BubblemanYou get a little carboned out. Hey, welcome, Todd McCormick.

1:15:03SpeakerOne time I could not get on. I had a ticket for the train ride, but there just was no space. I mean, impossible. And my wife was in the women's train on this train, in the women's car, so I had to get in it. And I could either stand the whole way. What I finally did was I went up to the front to the engineer of the train.

1:15:26SpeakerAnd I said, by any chance can I sit up here? There's no room inside. He said, are you a Christian? I said, I'm from America. And he said, come on in.

1:15:40SpeakerCrazy. So we haven't read in for a minute, it looked like.

1:15:46BubblemanYeah, he's been trying to get his mic going.

1:15:48Etienne FontanYeah, mic issues. Either his mic's dead or his jack's dead, one of the three half-dozens of the others. But he's been trying all morning, poor guy.

1:15:55SpeakerI like that he's on actually. It's interesting to have him and Indra on at the same time because you have two people that did the same thing on the internet in very different manners, you know. They're both just dropping knowledge and I think it's really cool.

1:16:10BubblemanYeah, I hope he gets his mic figured out and comes back. I hope if he doesn't get his mic figured out, he runs to the store right now and just buys one to plug in that works with an inexpensive headset.

1:16:21SpeakerIt'd be great. I'm sure he'll work it out. He's made more than one YouTube videos from what I've seen.

1:16:33BubblemanWe've almost got a thousand people watching live right now. It's nice to see.

1:16:38SpeakerIt's nice to have him in. I think there's people, Mark, like you and him, that have really kind of taken the new wave of... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:17:07SpeakerI think it's great. But...

1:17:34BubblemanWell, it might be time to blow smoke towards the Vatican as we hear a nice subtle silence approaching. A nice big puff and a new conversation to erupt the minds of the masses. Oh, what will we talk about on Hash Church 102?

1:17:50SpeakerYou know, it seems like more and more people are coming around for Prop 64 here in California.

1:17:58BubblemanYeah?

1:17:59SpeakerYeah, I had a long conversation with Dan Harrod, Jack Harris' son. And, you know, more and more people, I think, are looking at this for the bigger picture and not the smaller problems. And, I mean, when you think about 215 in California, Jack Harrow was adamantly opposed to it because it didn't go far enough. It was only medical. It didn't release prisoners. It didn't give us the rights we needed back.

1:18:24SpeakerIt didn't address hemp. And he hated it. And then after it passed, he saw that it helped and he loved it. He apologized for being against it. You know, and I think that this is where a lot of people need to get the bigger picture of. I mean, when you look all the way out and you see what's happening in the Philippines to people that are being fucking murdered because they're not high on nicotine or wine or alcohol, it's fucking wrong and there's no way we're going to change this on a global scale if we don't just start changing the laws on a local scale.

1:18:54SpeakerAnd I really liked what BPG did. BPG put out a position paper on Proposition 64 just last week, and I thought it was fantastic. So congratulations, ATN, for spearheading that. I know you did.

1:19:07Etienne FontanIt's, I've, and I supported 19. This is all about, you know, it's all about getting people out of jail. And as much as people go, no, none of you dispensaries will support, you know, legalization, et cetera, et cetera, I've always been one to buck the general thought of things because we all have to contribute. I mean, it's great to hear they've got 11 million in their coffers, but there's still people need to volunteer.

1:19:31Etienne FontanThere's still time to get the word out there. So, you know, BPG officially, We were the first ones to sponsor the support of the initiative. We helped them with their situation with their sponsoring over here at the Oakland Museum, which you were able to attend. Hey, Brett, are we hearing you? Oh, yeah.

1:19:53SpeakerOh, yeah. Oh, there we are. Wow. There we go. Nice job. Yeah, it only took an hour and 21 minutes. That's not bad. Next time you could do it in just 20 minutes.

1:20:08SpeakerNext time call me at home.

1:20:10BubblemanI'm mine.

1:20:11SpeakerWait a minute.

1:20:12BubblemanThat's awesome. Hey, you know what? We got four hours. We chill. It's only an hour and 20 minutes. We got many more hours left to chat it up. I'm sure you had some interest in throwing down on some of the conversation that's already happened.

1:20:26SpeakerOh, yeah. I was thinking about that and then thinking about where the hell is this mic jack. Welcome to Hash Shards, Brett. Nick, I appreciate it. And I admire your documentaries and whatnot. Thanks, man. You know, just like you, it's all been about educating people. I mean, when I first started working with Jack, I loved The Info Wears No Clothes, and most of the people on this panel have read it cover to cover, but...

1:20:54SpeakerYou know, getting people to read a book is a months long process at best. And you can just sit them down in front of something like the union and two hours later you can see a change in their, the way they're thinking about cannabis. That's pretty darn true. He actually passed away on my grandpa's birthday. I remember getting the magazine that he had passed away on April 15th, I think 2011.

1:21:21Speaker2010. 2010, 2010, yeah. After Jack passed away, I re-edited the Emperor Wears No Clothes and I inserted memorials in it to Jack and we released the 12th edition of his book and we pulled out the appendix so that the 12th edition looks to be smaller but it's really not. What it is is it just doesn't include a lot of the clips that we put in it because we Back when it was put together, there was no internet.

1:21:47SpeakerAnd now that there's an internet, you can go online and watch Hemp for Victory. You can look up, you know, the Department of Agriculture has more information on hemp than the emperor does now. It's really quite astonishing. So I actually trimmed it down so that if people read the 12th edition of his book, it is just Jax telling the story of the emperor wears no clothes. And I think more people need to kind of see his side of it because I think they got a little lost in the scrapbook at the end of it sometimes.

1:22:13SpeakerSo... I urge everybody to check out the 12th edition of Jack's Boat the Emperor. Well, I'll definitely have to grab that. I've only heard him, like, speak. Back when Comcast first had Comcast On Demand, they had a High Times documentary video, and I remember him yelling about, we need to get the people out of the prisons that are talking, and then later on, like 10 years later, I'm watching, I'm like, I remember that guy with the beard.

1:22:41SpeakerThat was a trip. Yeah, he was a great warrior. He saw the big picture in this. You know, he wanted full legalization. He wanted everybody out of prison. You know, but I think as he got older, he realized, you know, change doesn't happen fast. You know, it took Thank you so much for joining us.

1:23:20SpeakerThe ability for vets to ask about using pot for PTSD off the table. They keep pulling it off the table and pulling it out of bills all the time. Just these seven guys. And by the way, they're war hawks. These very same seven guys constantly vote for war and for more appropriation for weapons and more aircraft carrier money. If we just didn't build one fucking aircraft carrier, we could use the money to take everybody out of jail, buy them a house, Send them to school and put them back to work because, listen, we're talking about human resource that is being pissed away in favor of building weapons.

1:23:58SpeakerAnd I'm getting sick and tired of it. You know, I entered a DARPA competition a few months ago and I offered an advanced design for a plow, which I think is, you know, more important than a new fucking gun. I'm sick and tired of guns. I got shot in Vietnam. And let me tell you, it sucks a hairy banana. It's nothing to experience. You don't want to fucking do it.

1:24:23SpeakerNo matter what anybody says. And I'm just lucky that I was able to survive it and I'm still here. I fucking got blown up off of an armored personnel carrier going through rice paddies, fortunately landed in a tree. So trees are good, right? Trees are good. It's all how you look at everything. All I can say is I'm not going to look to Google hairy banana. No.

1:24:49SpeakerWell, sounds like you already got a picture in your mind. You frightened me, honestly, John. I was like, no, no visuals, sir. Well, you've been to jail, so Harry Banana probably is closer to your heart than us. But you want to know something, man? Just like at Catholic school, I didn't get hit on by one priest. I didn't get hit on by one prisoner. I didn't even get to turn someone down, for Christ's sakes.

1:25:11SpeakerCouldn't believe it. I know that, but you hear about it and you see it. No, you don't see it. You know what? Prison, in my experience, was the most homophobic place I've ever experienced. The guys don't even touch each other. They fucking fist bump when they say hello. It's, it's, yeah.

1:25:28TonyYeah.

1:25:29SpeakerI once, in Washington, was passing underneath the bridge and took a hit off a duber. And it was one of those scenarios where you pass out from it because it was so strong and good. And I woke up a few seconds later. Katie Corner to the bridge abutment that I had just hit while I was out of it. And right about then, State Trooper came along, so I got to spend a couple of nights in the can.

1:25:56SpeakerAnd I guess it was a local can, but they didn't have any of those taboos there. The place was, you know, it was very strange. Weird place, and when I got out two days later, I went outside and kissed the ground and said, that's it. Never, ever going into one of those places ever again. No, it was completely fucked. I applaud you that you survived it and nothing happened to you.

1:26:19SpeakerNo, it was just boring. It was just boring. Tommy Chung called it camp boredom. I think he nailed it. I was in there for weed and weed crosses all racial borders, barriers. I had friends that were black, friends that were Mexican, friends that were white. It didn't matter. We were all down with the weed. Federal or state? Well, you know, unfortunately you go to jail now. It becomes a combination of these things because I was sentenced to the feds, but, you know, in order to send you down to Terminal Island, they send you for three weeks in San Bernardino in a facility that's so evil you don't even fucking see daylight, you know.

1:26:53SpeakerSo I spent three days in county jail and then went to Terminal Island, and then when they decided to ship me again, I went back to San Bernardino and then up to Victorville and then back to San Bernardino and then out to Phoenix. So you get the tour. Little did you know it was going to be a travel vacation. Travel vacation. Well, it was with great gaps between three years at Terminal Island, you know, three weeks every time I was in San Bernardino, half a year in Victorville, another over half a year in fucking Phoenix.

1:27:28SpeakerIt was not, they make it not fun. So you got to see the state by bus. Only some of it, none of which unfortunately I hadn't seen by truck in my own car and motorcycle, but good times. But you know, I wanted to ask Brett, you know, hey Brett, what got you into trying to disseminate information on YouTube?

1:27:50SpeakerDo we, can you hear us, Brett?

1:27:52BubblemanNo, he's muted. He can hear you, he just has to unmute his mic real quick.

1:27:57SpeakerPeople would like to not give, instead of saying they don't know, They would give false information. I don't know why. I guess it's just an ego thing. So I tried to tell as much as I could and then learn and then eventually other people, I guess they feel obligated to share with me that they normally don't share information to because that's just what I do. So then I share that and If people tell me not to share something, I don't share it, but that's pretty, that don't happen too much.

1:28:38BubblemanSo basically, hearing people online talk bullshit about a process that you felt you knew more about kind of inspired you to learn more and go online and sort of share this information and call out the people that were maybe not sharing accurate information, is that what you're saying?

1:28:58SpeakerWell, I actually started with it growing and then I got into making the oil right around the time that people started vacuum purging. So I made this one video like it was just jank with a jar as a chamber that could implode easily as hell and a mason jar and it ended up going like I don't know how many views, but that's pretty much where everyone knows me from.

1:29:27SpeakerThe jar boy, purging in the jar. But it went from there to sharing where I am now. Interesting. That's one of the things that really upset me after I released the BHO. People were doing things that were dangerous with it, and... That was the big heartbreak for me. It still is. I still see people on YouTube doing ignorant shit with it. Especially one guy I saw last night who I tried to message but couldn't get through to him.

1:30:02SpeakerHe was purging and then he had a plate out on a table outside and he said, and watch this, and he threw a match in it. And there was a good maybe three foot ball of flame and And right next to the table was a case of cans. And it just keeps going on like this. And sometimes I wish I would have never opened my big mouth in the first place.

1:30:29SpeakerBut anyway, that's too bad, isn't it? I did it. That was some time ago. But there's people who are doing good with it, though. I'm speaking with Indra, right? Say again? Is this a guy that goes by Indra? Indra, yes, that's me. Oh, dude. Oh, I appreciate you putting that out there. And since 2012, I haven't, or, no, sorry, 2013, I haven't, I stopped sharing any info as far as not sealed, closed loop, not even opening the system until it's like at least at negative 15 inches in mercury or What do you call that?

1:31:15SpeakerAbout 350 TOR. So that way you know you're not going to let gas out. Other people open their systems where they're at positive pressure and let gas out. They're pretty much open blasting when they do that. Yeah, I've seen people do all sorts of shit. Well, anyway, those closed loop systems are all a joke. I think I spoke with Mark about What's going on is I'm in touch with my original guys who made my original system, and they're busy making up a quote for me right now.

1:31:51SpeakerWe're making a 10 kg, a 50 kg, a 100 kg, and a 500 kg systems, which we'll make available. It'll be complete. It'll be a push-button operation, and the cylinders are shaped correctly, and the technology is there from the patents. And along with the systems, you'll be getting a license for the PET, and then you'll attend a class learning how to run it properly. It's basically a two-button system.

1:32:18SpeakerYou put one button, starts it, and the second button finishes it. And we don't open the chambers until they're 25. Uh, inches of vacuum in there, by the way, Brett. There's still a lot of volatiles in it. True. You still could be setting yourself up for an accident.

1:32:39Etienne FontanRight.

1:32:39SpeakerAnd I hope you're doing it in a room that is the air in the room could be changed every 30 seconds. Or you should be outside with big fans blowing on you from the direction that the wind is blowing on. Never get downwind from This thing, when you're working with it, if you're doing it outside. Down draft, class one, division two, explosion proof room, where it comes in from the top and then exhausts from the floor.

1:33:09SpeakerWell, it goes out to the floor, you know what you did? Yeah. Yeah, that's the proper way to do it. Actually, the room that I have, I had the concrete floor with a minus two degree grate From the four corners of the building. And in the middle of the floor is a huge drain that's hooked up to some very powerful fans outside that empty the building out every one minute.

1:33:33SpeakerAnd that's a good way to do it. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Up here, the law, it's so funny. Some stuff, they really go overboard as far as regulating stuff. But then when it comes to the labs, They say all you need is a 220 CFM fan no matter how big the room is. It could be a 4x4x8 or it could be a 30x30x12 and they say the same fan.

1:34:03SpeakerIt doesn't matter. It's fucking crazy. That's totally bogus and totally not safe at all. For real, I use a 750 CFM fan and an 8x8x8.

1:34:16SpeakerIf you're using a fan to evacuate a room that can send basically a plume of butane over an armature that's sparking on a motor, you have a problem. These fans have to be shielded in such a way that the effluent could not flow over the motor. And so shielded motors, it's like a $2 piece of plastic that basically goes over the motor. And these are the kinds of motors that are used For exhaust hoods where you're evacuating flammable materials.

1:34:48SpeakerRight. Actually, you should have an explosion-proof motor with a squirrel cage fan. The motor should be in no way able to ignite anything, and the switch for the motor should be on the outside somewhere else. It should be turned off and turned on before you go in the room and not turned off until you leave. The last place that I did, I actually had the fan pushing the air in from the top and then passively exhausting at the floor.

1:35:18SpeakerThat's not good. That's not good? No, that's not good. Because every time you open the door? No, because when you're blowing the air in from the top, you're blowing the gas all around the room and you're making the whole room a ticking time bomb. That's definitely a no-no. That was one of the most dangerous stories I've ever heard. Well, I'll take that video down. Yeah. You always want to suck the room from the floor, from the lowest place in the room, and that's the place where you want to have that 750 or better CFM fan sucking it out.

1:35:50SpeakerYou do want to have some opening somewhere in the room up high so that the air can come in, but you do not want to blow air into the room and then depend on passive.

1:36:01TonyWhat's approved in Colorado?

1:36:06SpeakerRight. Once I found out that the explosion-proof, static-proof fans were not $15,000. They were more like $800 to $1,200. Now I'm feeling stupid for even doing it that way. I was under the impression that the explosion-proof fans were really expensive. Someone told me that they even create static from spinning. I don't know if he was just a quack or what. I usually take stuff with a grain of salt, but maybe you don't.

1:36:41SpeakerIf you've got an explosion-proof motor, it'll be sealed, and so you don't need to do anything else to the motor. And the squirrel cage fan is usually coated and chemical-proof, and it won't create static from spinning. And the whole thing should be grounded properly, of course. You always have to make sure of that. Remember when you were a kid and you shuffled on a wool carpet and wango bango you made sparks?

1:37:09SpeakerOh, totally, totally. Oh yeah, well that's another thing. You should definitely wear a grounding strap in a room where you're messing with the gas. Even if you're evacuating it properly, you should have a grounding strap on your body because just... That goes to the ground in the breaker box. That's right. Because if you don't have the grounding strap on, and like he just said, you build up static.

1:37:34SpeakerIt's like the people who get out of their car a second time and go mess with the gas pump, and all of a sudden there's an explosion and the gas is on fire. It's very, very, very easy to set this stuff on fire. Oh, yes. You've got to treat it like cobra venom. The place where I'm about to start working at actually has what kills all the power is If you get to a certain, I forgot the PPM, but it's a fourth of what can ignite, the fourth of the concentrations that can ignite.

1:38:03SpeakerIt actually, like, if you open the system at, like, let's say you're at, you're in, it's the oil is 95 degrees, and you're at negative five, you open up the system, bam, all the power goes off. So you have to, like, really, like, get down to where you're taking out a muffin and To not make that kill the power. So that's a cool piece of equipment. That's nice, but you shouldn't need that piece of equipment if you're venting the room properly.

1:38:38SpeakerRight. If you've got the right stuff set up and you're drawing it from the right place in the room, you don't want to depend on a fucking spark arrestor saving you because that thing might be the thing that sets the gas off. Oh. Just take care. Good point. Yeah, that's more for like training new employees and stuff. And there's an engineer up here, and you might, I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

1:39:04SpeakerHe is telling everybody that, and he's writing off these labs, that where you can have, like I like to have the vacuum pump that draws the vacuum on the system outside of the room and have a hose where I have a valve so it's not even in there. But he's saying that if anything's above 48 inches, that it's fine. And I'm thinking that sounds a little sketchy.

1:39:30SpeakerI'd rather have, like, bump anything electrical out and then run hoses in. That's totally bogus. That's totally bogus. You look up the Class 1 room. The Class 1 Div 1, yeah. Yeah. The 48-inch thing is talking about an explosion-proof plug can be put in the room above 48 inches, I think is what the regs say. But that's about it. You don't want to have any, there's, you know, 48 inches might be a standard or something where they're at, but class one, zone one, explosion proof room shouldn't have any of that nonsense in it.

1:40:12SpeakerYou built it that way because you're afraid of blowing your ass up and burning yourself to death. And so why, you know, why alter anything from there? Why add anything that could possibly hurt you? Exactly, exactly. And where we're at, our farm are sure only wants Class 1 Div 2. But at the same time, I don't want to screw up my six-year, 100%, like, no accidents. I want to continue to be safer and safer every step I go.

1:40:44SpeakerSo going an extra step and going Class 1 Div 1 would be my choice. And that's probably what I'm going to talk to you about on Wednesday. I just... Class 1, Zone 1, and that's it. There is no backing off from that. If you're doing it less safe than that, then you're taking your life in your hands. These are idiots. These people are alcohol experts, and they failed at our old communist alcohol system.

1:41:16SpeakerThey recently privatized the sale of liquor, so the liquor control board had no job, so they gave them... The cannabis job, and they don't know shit. I mean, there's so many, if you read these rules, it's dumb. Like, they treat rosin like bubble hash as far as testing, and there's just so many dumb things. Like, I told you about the fan and the 48 inches, and people are getting labs approved that are, I wouldn't even want to be anywhere near.

1:41:48SpeakerWhere are you at? In Washington. Uh-huh. And it's I-502.

1:41:55SpeakerThe, what do you call it, the shit, I can't remember what someone called it, but I loved it. It was funny. It's like retarded. They keep amending it and fixing it, making it a little bit better every few months, but I'd say it'd be at least 10 years before they actually have someone that knows what the fuck they're doing actually making rules. I mean, they make the stupidest, make no sense type of rules.

1:42:23SpeakerWell, listen, the state of Washington sent my patent lawyers a letter asking me to spec out what I think such a room should look like and what should be going on there. And they sent me a copy of the current regulations. And I haven't answered it yet, but I think I will because It's fucked up, huh? The regulations they sent me, they don't seem to be connected in any way to anything.

1:42:58SpeakerThey're helter-skelter, to quote a Charles Manson. It's more local life. They make you go through your local fire marshal, and then if they approve it, and then, of course, L&I and whatever approves the building, then the liquid control board comes out and goes, okay, and signs off. So it's more about having an engineer tell the fire marshal, yes, this is safe, and that's it. Well, the fire marshal's going to be feeling it's safe when it's a class one, zone one.

1:43:32SpeakerRight. Well, what's actually funny is on the medical side, we had a very, very sketchy lab. Actually, that's where my videos are. And the fire marshal came out there. The, he just was like, all the, all the tanks need to be strapped to the wall, and all your extension cords need to be those long ass, you know, the power strips had to be those long ass yellow ones, and that's all he said, because we had our explosion proof lamp above, the one for painting cars, and showed him the downdraft, and then even brought other firefighters so we could show him a run, and I showed him a tube, and All, like, what to look for, for, like, if they see a fire, if they're at a fire, to see if it was a, which that's, I don't know, some people might get mad at me for doing that, but I showed them, like, what to look for if a fire was started by open blasting, but I did a run for them and showed them what's up, and Yeah, well that's the part of the problem going on up there and elsewhere.

1:45:05SpeakerEverybody's got different regulations because not very many people really understand how to work with it. It's scary stuff. I've been working with it for 20 some years. Never had an accident, never had a fire. But I respect it. I respect it like it was like I was studying martial arts and it was my master. And you don't say no to your master. You always listen and Do what the best thing is to do.

1:45:35SpeakerAnd so that's how I created over the years. And knock on wood, we've never even had anything close to an accident.

1:45:42Etienne FontanWell, you guys are the experts. Have you thought about starting your own safety organizations to cross all these different state boundaries? You know, so that there's, you know, you have to understand that the government doesn't regulate things like ERs, but they have organizations that are non-profits that have set apart creating the rules and the regulations that then the government adopts as the rules and regulations. So because of the cross-stepping of these different states, You're all talking the same language, Brett and Indra, about the need for safety.

1:46:13Etienne FontanSo there's a need for a safety organization out there.

1:46:17SpeakerWell, I think we talked about this a little bit before, Atene, and I want to see a national thing. I would like to see a bunch of us get together, everybody add to the pot, come up with a reasonable set of rules and operation hints about how to work it, Publish them and then try getting the government to pay attention to the fact that here's some rules that are even better than the stuff you proposed and this will be even safer.

1:46:51SpeakerAnd I'd like to work on that but I don't want to do it alone. I mean, you know, I can't, I've got so many irons in the fire right now and I've discovered that at 70 it's harder and harder to work in parallel.

1:47:04Etienne FontanI'm not saying you need to run it, but I mean, you guys could be contributors to it. I mean, there's how many, almost a thousand people watching. I mean, there could be somebody who wants to draw on the national level, who has the time to dedicate to actually push this issue and lock it in so it's an actual professional representative organization. I've been wanting to partner up with...

1:47:50SpeakerThanks. Well, I was thinking about that engineer, but now with the 48-inch thing, I'm starting to question that. But at least a fire marshal and another extraction technician and just people that are smart and I don't know what we would do. Just teach people. I did a consulting gig yesterday and had to show a couple people. They weren't even recovering to below zero PSI. They like to pour that 90% butane, 10% oil so they don't have to scrape laziness, pretty much.

1:48:31SpeakerThat's all I call it. I actually was raised by the old battalion chief for this fire department. I'm actually Like scared of fire and he actually kind of like taught me a little, not gases and stuff. He has a degree in fire science, but he made me as growing up scared of fire. So it took me a while before I even messed with that shit. I went and bought a little four bag, one gallon kit from our buddy Mark and messed with that for a little while.

1:49:03SpeakerAnd with my little 400 watt grow, I couldn't really produce much, but yeah. Yeah, it took me at least a year and a half before I wanted to actually go that route. And that was back when the yellow honeybee extractors were selling on, remember that? The yellow plastic fucking poison tubes? I showed that guy. I remember it well. Oh, God. I saw one downstairs. I think everybody grabbed one of those.

1:49:32BubblemanPatent pending.

1:49:34SpeakerSay again?

1:49:36BubblemanHe had a patent pending on that thing. I remember always seeing patent pending and I was like...

1:49:41SpeakerHe didn't get a patent. Obviously. You know what he did? He wrote me a letter and said, I'm going to have your patent shut down and then I'm going to write this patent up. So I gave that to my lawyers and after that he wrote a very apologetic letter and he kind of disappeared off the scene. But yeah, you know, I don't mind Ma and Pa. But the guys who are making money off of it, they all owe me a little something.

1:50:10SpeakerIt's my work. They're reproducing it, which is a nice word for copycat. But I understand that there's some people that are not using it as a mainstay. But if you're making a living from it, I mean, gee whiz, how about some kickback to the guy who released it in the first place? I'm just sorry I didn't get enough people's Pay attention to the safety issues back then.

1:50:38SpeakerAnd believe you me, I just didn't know that it was going to be that big of a deal. And then all these fires started. Jesus Christ. Well, I can tell that you feel bad about that. But as you're doing now, you're totally like, what do you say, like make it up for it by doing all the Like, like, just like the conversation we were having, like, now your main focus is safety, as far as I can understand, at least this conversation goes.

1:51:08SpeakerSo, I mean, that's great. I mean, at least you didn't, like, write that article and then disappear or, God forbid, pass away or whatever and then not be able to, like, show people how to be safe about it. I have no plans on passing away, at least for 20 more years, so... My great-grandmother lived to be 115. She was the oldest woman in Savannah, Georgia. Great-grandfather lived to be 111.

1:51:35SpeakerMy aunt, who was my grandmother's sister, lived to be 114. And I've been fearing all my life that that might happen to me because I was planning on exiting at 42. Damn. Damn. That's crazy. I'm only 28, so I don't know. That's a good statement. You're an old dude. You're an old dude, John. That's a good statement. You're an old dude. I knew I would never make it to be 30.

1:52:03SpeakerI'm 67 now. Yeah, listen, I used to think 42, if I make it to 42, it'll be a fucking miracle. Because I was in Vietnam numerous times because they kept sending me their fucking TDY to train medics. And then when I complained enough, then they gave me a year's tour there. And so I think I used up Three or maybe four of my lives around that time.

1:52:32SpeakerYou have more than one life? Well, apparently. He's a cat. Well, you know, parallel universes, what I do is the living one, I keep switching to a parallel universe where things are better for me. I tell myself every night when I go to sleep, tomorrow I'm going to wake up in the best possible. You don't need to, John. Everything is perfect everywhere. Well, it's perfect because I can let myself be part of it.

1:52:59SpeakerI'm giving myself permission to be part of the best part that is available for me. And I know everything is good and it's happening the way it should. You'll get the strongest argument from me that that's the case. I've seen it. After a while, hanging out in an ashram in India, you see and hear every fucking thing. You know, we used to have 50,000 people a day come and go there.

1:53:25SpeakerAnd I can tell you, I have seen every single possible scenario that you can imagine. Ones I never thought possible. And I spent 31 months in Vietnam and grew up overseas. My dad was in the Army. I grew up in Okinawa and Japan and Philippines. You can see a lot of shit, but living in the ashram was one amazing thing. Dude, that's, I remember probably a year and a half ago, Mark was talking about how, he was talking about you being over there and how someone had told you that there's something that you have to do and you have to go back and you have to do this thing that's going to be great or whatever and ended up being what you're doing.

1:54:14SpeakerOr if that's, maybe I didn't say it. Oh, okay, so that's, So the ashrams in Nepal? You mean where I learned the old temple ball technique? No, I guess it was, I don't know if you were the guy.

1:54:32BubblemanHe's telling the story that you told me years ago about how you were told by the dude at the ashram that you had to go back to the U.S. You were going to do some incredible work extracting whales.

1:54:44SpeakerThat's how he got me out of India. I was there for years and years and years. One morning at the Darshan he called me in the room and I was sitting there looking up at him and he made some Vibhuti which is this ash and he put it on my forehead and he said, go back to USA, I have work for you there. I said, Swami, I don't want to leave, I'm happy right here, I can stay right here, that's my life.

1:55:10SpeakerHe said, no, no, that's not it. You're not going to do that. You're going to go back to the States and you're going to do something. And I'm going to fulfill your every wish and desire in this life while you're there. And so that's how I got here. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, that sounds about, you pretty much nailed that, Mark. That's pretty much what Mark said.

1:55:35BubblemanWelcome back, Todd.

1:55:39SpeakerI'm using a roach clip for a dabber.

1:55:44SpeakerWhatever works.

1:55:47BubblemanSometimes I use my truck key.

1:55:50SpeakerOh, I do that too, but sometimes if I let it stay on the nail too long, I get this fucked up taste. That's probably not good.

1:55:58BubblemanYeah, you want to stretch that out and not touch it to the nail, that's for sure.

1:56:03SpeakerOh, geez. Stretch out the dab. So my grandpa just said, okay, you can smoke dope in my house. Kudos. Kudos, gramps. That's awesome. Kudos, gramps. He almost didn't let me spend the night because he was like, no, I came home from working at that facility, and I mean, we were grinding at kilos, so. I came home and all my clothes just reeked and he quit smoking cigarettes 10 years ago so now he can smell really good again.

1:56:39SpeakerOh man, he was pissed. He goes, go outside, take off all your clothes out there and leave them out there all night. Yeah, he was pissed. He don't like to smell the weed which is weird because it smells so good. Well, that's the funny thing about terpenes. You know, one man's terpene is another man's skunk. He likes frankincense and spearmint, so I don't know why he don't like, I don't know why he don't like these blends.

1:57:12Etienne FontanYeah, well, it's unfamiliar to him. You know, it's also, he's dealt with the fear and the prohibition where if you've, of course, thrown that to the wind. You know, a while back, you know, they still deal with that with my family members who are still very fearful. They still believe all the hype and prohibition. And, of course, when they're told that's what marijuana smells like, then it's that negative connotation that goes with it that is associated with all the bullshit of the drug war.

1:57:37Etienne FontanSo you can't blame him for following along his indoctrination, just expose him to more sense that maybe he can find one that he likes to smell it.

1:57:46SpeakerHey, you know, speaking of that, I've been working on making perfume that smells like pot so that we could take away from the... Which kind of pot, though? It doesn't matter because what I've narrowed it down to is it just has to have no THC in it. And so the terpenes look like they're going to play a significant role in making a men's cologne and a woman's perfume.

1:58:11SpeakerAnd we'll have to go through the different ones to see. And plus, I know, Mark, exactly what you're thinking about saying while you're sitting there in your purple shirt. And that's the last thing I'll say on it, on the subject.

1:58:26BubblemanI'll say that the terpenes that Tony has produced are very perfume-like. And the first time I offered them to Muta Baruka, an old reggae artist from Jamaica who also has his own show on IREFM, He immediately smelled it and then literally like flipped it upside down on his finger and went like this. And within about 30 seconds, the two women beside him on either side both leaned in to smell him.

1:58:55BubblemanAnd he looked at me and he was like, it's working already, man. And it was just such a funny little experience. I personally, what's that?

1:59:04SpeakerOh, I was going to say you should talk to Tony about that because when we went out there, that's when Tony was getting into the, Right before the actual Pure Terps, he was making this cannabis perfume. So that would probably be a cool meeting of the minds as far as that project goes. Shout out to Hash Mastaket. In 1997, Jovedon Rouge, who's one of the largest scent and smell companies in the world, They came to my laboratory and got a little machine which drew air in from the plastic bag filled with skunk buds and another plastic bag filled with a kilo of resin.

1:59:55SpeakerAnd they captured the smell with a fixative in... And activated charcoal crystals inside this tube that they were sucking air through for about half an hour. And then they took it off and gave me the terpene analysis results back. But they had a private company that wanted to make a cannabis perfume. I thought they were going to buy my materials as raw materials to make the perfume.

2:00:24SpeakerBut it turned out, in fact, what they wanted to do was see what the terpene profile was and then imitate it with terpenes from other sources. I don't think the perfume was ever released in the end anyway.

2:00:39BubblemanWhat year was that, Sam?

2:00:41Speaker1997.

2:00:43BubblemanOkay, so it was a couple years later that I was in Switzerland in Bellinzona at Shantibaba's facility down there. And they had a couple of liters in their crazy freezer that were some perfume extraction that was not just terpenes. It was like a greenish liquid, but it smelted pretty incredible. That was one of the first times I saw it.

2:01:07SpeakerSee, I hear some of you guys talk about how you go, like especially Sam. Well, he'll get like the hundred or so terpenes, like his profile will have that many terpenes in it. And then these guys that do these blends, they blend off these labs that test for like nine, ten, or twenty-six of the hundred and something or two hundred whatever terpenes. And they think they're matching the profile when they're only using three or four when they're not using any of the ones that were tested for So I'm wondering if...

2:01:45SpeakerThere's 150 known terpenes found in cannabis. And of that, the average cannabis will have, you know, dozens or a hundred terpenes. But some of them are in extremely, extremely small amounts. But they are probably modifying the overall smell, just like an orchestra with three instruments sounds a lot different than an orchestra with a hundred instruments. Bingo. That's a good analogy. I don't like the idea of it because they can do all of the weird candy-like hazes and they can do all the lemon skunks and stuff like that, but they can't get an OG or a sour for shit.

2:02:33SpeakerI guess there's some terp that isn't being tested that they... I guarantee you that if they make an exact duplicate of all of the 60 terpenes, I don't think you and I could tell the difference. Oh, if they went that far, yeah, definitely. When they're doing like two or three, it's kind of funny. The one they train the dogs with is caryophylline. That's the dogs are actually.

2:03:08SpeakerIt's the oxide actually. It's the oxide. Oh, I didn't even know that it wasn't the caryophylline. Yeah, I think it's caryophylline oxide. Oh, one time Rob and I walked through the airports in Italy and we purposely dripped caryophylline liquid on the bottoms of our shoes and walked all through the airport just to be mischievous. That's fine.

2:03:33BubblemanThat's mischievous. Get some dogs on your ass doing that.

2:03:37SpeakerDon't do that with any nitrobenzene. That'll definitely set the mat off.

2:03:48BubblemanYeah, probably a good idea to avoid that, Mark.

2:03:52SpeakerOr step on some firecrackers or something before you walk through. That'd be even worse.

2:04:01BubblemanWell, I think it's time to blow smoke towards the Vatican. I'm sorry. How are you doing, Todd? You doing okay?

2:04:08SpeakerYeah, I'm doing okay. Sorry I'm a little distant. I found out my little brother who has Down syndrome is in intensive care, and he's always had respiratory problems. And when I was nine and going through cancer, he had open-heart surgery. And he's always had a hard time with things, but I just found out when I was in the middle of doing hash chart, so it threw me.

2:04:31SpeakerOh, man. I've always wondered how cannabinoids would help with a kid that has downs. We never gave him pot, you know, and I always wondered if I should have, if it would have helped him out. Still might.

2:04:46SpeakerWell, Let's take this hit for him.

2:04:49Etienne FontanWell, he has respiratory issues there, Indra, so I'm not sure that, I mean, depending on... Edibles, edibles, I don't know.

2:04:55SpeakerYeah, I didn't say anything about smoking. You know, and honestly, Indra, my thought was always to give him edibles too, you know, see if it would calm him down or chill him out or, you know, help him. What you need is some CBD that was made cryogenically. And that cryogenic CBD is some potent stuff. Yeah, I don't disagree. You know, CBD on its own is interesting. I mean, I still am more of a student of Dr. Grinspoon, you know, who doesn't use the word entourage.

2:05:25SpeakerHe uses the word ensemble because he feels like it is an ensemble of the cannabinoids and terpenes working together that have been causing these, you know, medical breakthroughs, if you will. And in varying degrees, they're working for, you know, various conditions, in his opinion. Yeah, he's probably right. He's been at it for quite a while. He has. And he watched Maranol. Everybody trumpeted THC. They thought it was going to be the silver bullet.

2:05:52SpeakerAnd, you know, as a single molecule, it wasn't very exciting. I mean, in the pharmaceutical market, it had, you know, no resale value on the street. It had no use of abuse. It's one of the reasons they, you know, downscheduled it. So, you know, I think the molecules together is where the party's at, if that makes sense. I bought one. When I didn't smoke weed and I didn't really care for the feeling that that gave me.

2:06:19SpeakerIt was like a little paintball. Yeah, I actually had them prescribed to me by Dr. Todd McCorea in the 90s, and I took them a lot of times, honestly. They're actually just dronabinol. It's a synthetic version of THC. It's not natural. It's suspended in sesame oil in a gelatin cap is specifically what it is. So, you know, asking you guys, dronabinol-9 is automatically activated because it's a synthetic equivalent of THC, delta-9-THC, right, Mark?

2:06:49SpeakerYeah. There is no acid version of dronabinol 9. No, that's correct. That's what I thought. Someone told me that it was half acidic and half active, so that's bullshit because, so it's all active. It's all active. Yeah, dronabinol 9 is all active because it's not a natural organic molecule. It's synthetic. And, you know, I got really high off Maranol, man. I took 10 milligrams once, and I got fucking high as hell.

2:07:22SpeakerI'm sorry, Todd. It is a natural organic molecule. It's just made synthetically. And, Sam, we talked about this, right? It's not a racemic mixture. No, Dranabinol 9 is not an organic molecule. But Dranabinol is not an organic molecule. It's a synthetic molecule, correct? Correct. It's made synthetically, but THC is a naturally occurring molecule. No, no, no. I understand that, but there's nowhere in nature that makes dronabinol.

2:07:51SpeakerNature makes tetrahydrocannabinol, and that's what they're mimicking. Yeah, nature makes tetrahydrocannabinol acid. Right. Acid, correct. Right, and the scientists are mimicking the decarboxylated version of that with dronabinol. Can I ask you, what's Win512 then, guys? Win512 is actually a synthetic analog that is not naturally occurring, but it looks like it has the cannabinoid structure itself, but it has structural modifications, and it's not made by the plant, and it's made synthetically.

2:08:27SpeakerAnd I think dronabinol is, again, made synthetically, but from biological precursors. So you know how in the cannabinoid... Yeah, the cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway, really the key step begins when you pre-nulate all the acid, right? And so you can do that enzymatically in the plant, but you could also do that with a catalyst in a flask. So that's basically what they're doing, is they're making the molecules synthetically, but it's essentially a naturally occurring molecule.

2:09:06SpeakerYou know, can I ask the panel something? And ATN, you were there with me, I think. We were sitting separately, but we were at the same place. It was the Institute of Medicine's hearings in Long Beach, and it was when one of the professors was talking. He brought up the fact that he was giving his subjects I've taken CBN.

2:09:50SpeakerI've taken CBN with THC. It definitely seems to make it stronger. It's also cloudy and fuzzy. It's, yeah, so, I mean, it's not what I want. It's that nice, it's that nice I just woke up feeling.

2:10:05Etienne FontanWas the onset the same or was it delayed or...

2:10:09SpeakerTo be honest, I don't remember at this point if CBN comes on faster than THC. It's nowhere near as strong and the effects are like old beat-ups THC. Three years ago when we went to Tony's in Denver, he had some pure CBN oil. It was like 70% CBN and it was all dark and gooey and He ended up giving it to our friend who had anxiety, but I took a fat glob of that, and we were supposed to go out to a show after that, and I had to go back to the hotel and go to sleep, because it wasn't anything that, like, it wasn't THC, it was...

2:10:58SpeakerIt was CBN! Exactly, so I want to try to mix it with something else, but that was the only time I ever had something that didn't have Like more than like a percent of any other cannabinoid.

2:11:11BubblemanSounds like Tony though.

2:11:15SpeakerI had a good vape that had a lot of both things in it. But the THC seemed to be somehow in the background from the CBD. And as I was sitting there, I was getting colors and that was all nice. And then I went in the kitchen and my son had a bag of chips open and I ate one chip and that was the end of it.

2:11:47SpeakerYou know, ate everything in the fucking kitchen and sent out for more food.

2:11:53SpeakerYou see, I think Lester is completely right. We're going to figure out what are causing these happy, horny, hungry vibes when we learn the way the interactions are happening between the cannabinoids and the terpenes. I mean, we just need... Thanks for watching.

2:12:28SpeakerThat there are so many varieties of cannabinoids and terpene profiles available that it's hard to put your finger on, you know, which one exactly helped the little girl with epilepsy or, you know, me with nausea and chemotherapy or chronic pain or what have you.

2:12:43BubblemanEspecially when the people that they were helping are as different as there are many different cultivars and profiles, so it's complicated.

2:12:53SpeakerWell, the IBM computer, Big Blue... They fucking took a little girl with a rare kind of leukemia that nobody could diagnose, fed in all the information, and 30 minutes later it correctly diagnosed and gave the proper treatment. So, to me, you know, we need to line up a little bit of time on Big Blue, enter in all this anecdotal information, and see what that thing has to say to me.

2:13:19SpeakerYou know, a lot of the work that I did was serendipity. I was wanting to, like I said, when I first started out on how to separate the trichromes, I was looking for a way to get rid of mold and spores. And so, you know, maybe a machine like that, if we could ever talk them into it or ever get an hour on it, we could answer a lot of questions for ourselves and save ourselves a lot of time.

2:13:48SpeakerI know everybody's different.

2:13:50BubblemanJust imagine the think tanks that they have around the world that if they were asking the right questions, there's some brilliant people on planet Earth. And when they sit and they talk and they discuss, you can manifest incredible things. I don't doubt that the people on this planet could come up with many of the answers to the problems that we ourselves have created in the first place.

2:14:13Etienne FontanWell, think tanks and all those things require money, you know, lots and lots of money. I was very fortunate to, when the largest think tank in California reached out to us a couple months ago, they realized that, this is Public Policy Institute of California, so these guys have literally hundreds of million dollars in grants that they get from Hewlett Packard and various other companies. And they decided that they already saw that legalization was going to pass in California.

2:14:46Etienne FontanIt's already a done deal. So they want to actually start a policy center so that they can actually start the analysis of the data here in California because they realize that this is a completely ignored... Aspect of society and they basically took our information from a lunch and took those leads and have run with it and they put out a policy paper regarding cannabis and California and they're actually actively soliciting now people if you're any millionaires out there watching and you want your name on a A building or a wing, they're looking to do an actual policy center at the Public Policy Institute of California for cannabis.

2:15:38Etienne FontanSo it's going to happen. So they have to raise their own money. And what they basically do is they have doctorates that sit around and look at the data and research and call this data and information regarding cannabis. So we're going to be doing this here in California. So hopefully some of these other states where it's legal, their actual think tanks will start putting their mouth where their money is so that we can actually start compiling some of this data.

2:16:06Etienne FontanWe won't be able to get all this information, but it's definitely a good step in the right direction that You know, these are major mental players in policy change. They're the actual people where they have all access to the data for education as well as the prison system. And they publish all the data for the water district and all that water data that you're hearing. Anything regarding data in California comes from this institute.

2:16:34Etienne FontanSo it just shows you that we are crossing that barrier and the researchers are starting to look in our direction. But it's, as we know, this is just a drop in the bucket of what we actually need to see.

2:16:46SpeakerYeah, you know, researchers, you remember when Dr. Natasha was on, most of your researchers have the same problem no matter what they're studying, getting money to study it and then surviving the study and coming up with answers that they find that are true rather than the answers that the people who gave them the money for the research would like to see. So it's kind of a scam about it, which is why I said we should enter as much anecdotal information into a database ourselves.

2:17:21SpeakerI wrote IBM a letter and asked them how would I possibly use some time on Big Blue. And they sent me back a fucking book that I've been looking through and reading. And they have all sorts of parameters and rules and stuff that you have to meet. And it has to be, the database has to be in a format that Big Blue can take in and our convert and understand.

2:17:46SpeakerSo it's not like nobody's working on it or a group or anything. I'm doing my best to see how it could happen because I know, yes, Sam, I know there's a ton of information that, like Sam knows a lot of things. What happens if something happens to him? Everything he knew and was bringing to the game is gone. No, that's not true because Rob Clark was sitting next to me during it all.

2:18:16SpeakerOkay.

2:18:19SpeakerThat is a great answer right there, Sam. That was fantastic. Hey, what I'm showing is CBN, CBD, CBG. THCV, and they're all off-white, amorphous white powders.

2:18:36Etienne FontanSo they're all pure isolates.

2:18:38SpeakerYes, except for this one. This is THCV, and when I got it, he told me it wasn't 100% pure, and it was a dark, and it was very, very stiff. It was almost like a BHO extract type, but it was almost pure THCV.

2:18:57Etienne FontanWhat was the effect of the straight THCV?

2:19:00SpeakerIt doesn't get you high at all. It modifies THC a little bit. It delays onset. It reduces peak experiences. It makes it last longer.

2:19:11BubblemanHey, I just want to give a shout out to the Benson Elvis crew that just sent me this picture. These guys are doing it right.

2:19:23SpeakerOh, man. Is that in Jamaica? Yeah.

2:19:26BubblemanThat is not in Jamaica, but once again, shout out to the Benson Elvis crew who watch church every Sunday and are clearly doing well with the information that they have compiled over the years. Those plants look freaking great. I love cannabis.

2:19:42SpeakerCan I just throw this out there too? That makes the idea of six plants in every yard much different. Yeah, dude. Exactly, exactly. Those original pictures that I gave you that you put up, if you saw someone standing next to them, it's the same as the one you just showed us there. I want to point out to people that honestly this kind of thing has been very, very common for the past 15, 20 years in Northern California.

2:20:08SpeakerYeah. I walked into a greenhouse where I saw plants this size back in 1994. They were Richard Davis, may he rest in peace. This is a technique that through genetics and manipulation and pre-veg anybody can accomplish. These are monster plants and if you look at some of the pictures, I have a picture in the back of my old magazine and it was of a person looking through a fence and up above the fence and looking like nine feet over than the person.

2:20:38SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:21:08SpeakerIf it's Blue Dream, not that much. Right.

2:21:12BubblemanWouldn't you say around three to four months, Todd, is what they vet? I mean, I'm going also with guys like the Mendo Dope Crew, who also post photos just like this.

2:21:22SpeakerA lot of them start them in greenhouses or under lights and get them six feet tall before they move them out. That's absolutely correct. That's what Richard was doing. He was starting them under fluorescent lights and doors, getting them to be three, four feet high, and then they would start their life already selected, already going in. You know, it's hard to generalize though because if you're trying to generalize plants, you know, Sam, you know better than anybody, different varieties grow very differently, you know, and we used to do this cool room at Positronics that had four 600s and we would put two of every cutting we sold out and we would pop them all simultaneously and over the weeks you would watch the little B52s get two foot tall and make four inch round buds and you would see NL5s They were pushing into the ceiling, and they had been growing for the same amount of time in the same amount of conditions, getting the same nutrients, same water, same everything.

2:22:15SpeakerYou could see the genetics differently expressing themselves. It was fantastic. That's true, but each plant also reacts to how it's treated and how it's grown. We used to grow exactly what he said before, five foot tall in the greenhouse. Take them back outside, strip all the leaves off of them, cover them with root tone, and bury them five feet in the ground. And then when that all changed to a root, the plant would shoot up like those ones you're seeing there.

2:22:44SpeakerIn fact, we have had 26 and 27 foot tall plants at the time we did it in Southern California. We had camo nets over everything. It was on the side of a hill. And these plants grew up and pushed through the camo nets because the San Diego Sheriff's Department, Astria, used to fly the area we were in every day looking for people who were growing pot because it was a place in Southern California that was known for pot growers.

2:23:14SpeakerIt was out, you know, between high desert. Fallbrook. Well, up by Witch Creek, actually.

2:23:25SpeakerVery small little place just before you get on the tent. And it's in the middle of the high desert and it's covered with scrub oak. Can you guys see this photo? Yeah. See how absolutely huge that plant is? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, you know, so we put it, keeping Tom's got it all wrong. But, you know, this is a cannabis plant expressing itself in a natural setting. This, I believe, is in Jamaica, by the way.

2:23:51SpeakerWhat year? Well, I published this magazine in November of 96. Oh, wow. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. The first time I saw really, really tall plants was in Kathmandu, and they were growing next to the American Embassy on a vacant lot, and they were 20, maybe 25 feet tall. But slim buds, not big giant walker buds. Yeah, all the way from Rishikesh up, you see these 20, 25 foot tall plants on both sides of the road.

2:24:29SpeakerAnd if you slow down and look back a little farther, you'll see a bunch of Indian guys rubbing the stems with their hands and collecting the ash because there's a big business up there at the right time of the year. But you can drive several hundred miles through 20 foot tall marijuana plants there. About two, or no, sorry, three or four years ago, I used to do, right when they started Google+, I used to do something similar, just not scheduled with as many awesome heads, but I just let random people come and I'd post a link, and this one guy came in, an Indian guy, and he wanted to send me some seeds and said that weed just grows randomly there, like blackberries.

2:25:14SpeakerAnd like how Blackberry was growing the PNW or wherever. And that they get really high and it made me think, what the fuck? Indica? And then I learned later after Hasher started with Rob and his book and whatnot. But I'm thinking, Indica? Fucking 20 feet? Big ass? Or I can't remember how many meters or whatever the hell he said. But yeah, he said those fuckers were really tall, so I didn't want to see them in Washington.

2:25:48SpeakerWe don't have, we, our season is shorter because we get, our days are longer and then we're at like the 49th parallel, so we don't trigger until almost the end of August and then by the time October comes, like the first October, it's shit weather.

2:26:06BubblemanYeah, it can be a bummer growing in the Pacific Northwest outdoors, that's for sure.

2:26:13SpeakerI'm at the 53rd parallel.

2:26:16BubblemanGreenhouse.

2:26:18SpeakerExactly. And when you can control the environment in those and put lights, like make the environment controlled like the, you guys talk about it a lot, but like an indoor grow and then have lights that come on whenever the foot, the foot, candle foot Thank you for watching.

2:27:06SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:27:30SpeakerRethink how you're doing that. If you're having six dehumidifiers, you're introducing too much liquid into the room in the first place. Maybe the plant doesn't need as much water as you're giving it. This is 10,000 square feet. Well, one square feet are 10,000 square feet. It's the same story. If the plant and the room is getting more moisture than it can handle, you're putting more and more dehumidifiers in it.

2:27:59SpeakerCool. Don't grow it in a greenhouse or just don't grow mildew susceptible varieties. Right. We're in Washington where the ambient humidity can get up into the 90s. So it's like regular flange is open and it pulls in that any time the humidity gets too high or whatever, which is stupid because sometimes it's higher outside. It pulls that in. I wish there was a way to put a setting like if they put a probe outside and say if the humidity is higher outside, don't fucking do that.

2:28:38SpeakerBut those open for heat and humidity. But yeah, the Quest, I like those because they blow the humidity out these ducts instead of draining out of a hose. It would flush a lot of plants too. So there's a lot of saturated pots. There's always a couple tables that are Have really saturated pots, even if we flush them, like, let's say noon. I mean, we could flush them at the beginning of the day.

2:29:06SpeakerThat would probably be the best thing to do. So they could, you know, take some of that up. But yeah, anyways, it doesn't get above 65% in there. And my roommate that has a head grower, and he's been into that vapor pressure deficit thing. So he's been trying to keep it in that. He has this little chart where the highest number is like 10, and you want to be above like 8.5, so he tries to keep it in that.

2:29:37SpeakerSo if the humidity is at a certain point, he has to up the temperature. It's to make the stomata not sweat so much. That's the idea behind that, I guess.

2:29:53SpeakerGee, Darren, I wish I could take a hit that big and not even cough once. Awesome D420K.

2:29:59BubblemanHow you doing, buddy?

2:30:03SpeakerBong rip, mother lovers. He's a different species, that's why. I'm ready to do a bong rip. Same here. And I got this fucking...

2:30:19SpeakerI seen your post on Instagram, buddy. Oh, yeah. I had to go to my dad's fucking... Weird little work on his truck tent thing out in the woods to get a torch because I didn't know I was staying and I didn't plan on bringing anything. And then my friend gives me this gram of six star 90 micron, what's it called, cement cookies, which is one of my favorites.

2:30:50SpeakerBut I don't have anything with the carb cap. I only have this HMK, Hashmaster Cut Curve. So I can't get any milky ass hits. I gotta wait till I get back to Seattle tonight before I can actually get a good rip of this stuff. I'm bummed seeing like Mark right there with the fucking hive carb cap. Here I am with the damn curve where there's no possible way to carve it.

2:31:12SpeakerIf there is, please let me know. Someone let me know. At least you're doing it, brother. At least you're burning. You're improvising. Exactly. You look like your house is on fire though. Yeah. All of it. Yeah, the sun shines in this window. Not at the right angle though. No, I mean Darren. Oh, Darren. It looks like his house is on fire. He's just sitting there in the middle of the fire breathing smoke.

2:31:40SpeakerHe's hot boxing, man. I'm sitting here with a buddy of mine, Patzo from Twitter.

2:31:48SpeakerWe're bong ripping and burning joints steady.

2:31:51BubblemanNice.

2:31:52SpeakerWell, welcome guys. It's a full burn session here. I've been really listening to the whole conversation and enjoying it. I like the way Andrew was talking about getting everybody together and unify, unity type thing. I notice a lot of separation in the industry among the weed smokers and makers and everything that I think it's starting to gap a little too much and I would really like to influence and like to see a proper union and unity among everybody that we should be able to put aside some of the things that are That are out there that we can just fucking let's sit down and smoke a whole bunch of hash and do whatever we got to do to work it out.

2:32:44SpeakerYou got to remember though, a lot of people will agree with what you're saying. A lot of people will just say, fuck that man, I want the money. I understand that too and I see that but what I'm seeing is people really wanting to get together too more. I want to influence it more as I can and the people that are saying Fuck you, I want the money.

2:33:08SpeakerMaybe they're not going to be able to. All the power to them, if they can, they can. If they want to play fair and play nice, I don't know. To be honest, a lot of people in the big corporate world today, that is their basic attitude. Fuck you, I want the money. I know, and it's sad. It hurts my feeling. Can I tell this now, guys? How many of you would be offended to pay more than $10 or $20 a pound for tomatoes?

2:33:37SpeakerWould you do it? I mean, right now it costs three to four bucks a pound for organic tomatoes. I don't understand why the cost of cannabis won't drop down to the cost of tomatoes, organic tomatoes. Just upping the size that we produce really, really drops the production of... Now the most expensive cost for production is actually paying the trimmers. I mean, it's not the power bill. Well, no, you know, and I think that people, we're going to be moving into a different space where just like any business person, they're going to move into the market and they're going to just want a reasonable return on their investment.

2:34:19SpeakerThey're going to look at their cost of production, they're going to take double that and feel good about it like most people do, and we're going to see the cost of cannabis, I think, fall all the way down to the cost of organic fruits and vegetables and other flowers. I mean, we can't lose sight of the fact that Thank you so much for joining us.

2:35:00BubblemanThen they're going to collect THC and gland heads accidentally, and yes, that will be found in the honey. It can happen.

2:35:08SpeakerOne thing that we've got to do, everybody that's allowed to grow, everybody should be allowed to grow a certain amount of shit, just like we can do the garden and everything, and if everybody's doing that, it's going to allow the people in the big industry that are making the big, the money tycoons, Unable to make that kind of money because everybody's doing it and has a farmer's market in every little metropolis and center and just like they do at every other place for vegetables and so on.

2:35:37SpeakerA fucking roadside vet. Fruit stand has roadside sativa, indica, butters, tinctures, everything else along with their fruits and vegetables that they grew on that farm too. Everybody can put it out there. Then there's going to be no profits for people like that and we'll definitely be able to do it. You know, I know guys that have turned their crops from weed into tomatoes just like you were talking, Todd.

2:36:01SpeakerThey're putting one single dollar profit on fronting their customers. The produce, and they're taking it to another province. They're making a dollar per pound, and they're doing about $5,000 to $7,000 profit a month on top of paying everybody, their workers, everything, just on tomatoes. Just think of everybody doing that with proper fucking grown meds, proper terpen profiles, grown in suns, everything like that. I think we need a union.

2:36:31SpeakerA union might even be better than what I was originally talking about because a union would have some funding and would be strong enough to go to state governments and maybe even the federal government because we would have a lot of people. Imagine how many people would join a union in the state. Absolutely. They buy marijuana coins, like Bitcoin style for weed to Organize. And the Marcel thing.

2:37:02SpeakerSo they joined a weed union. Hell yeah. Well, that's what I'd like to see. A weed union. Not just a weed union, but we'd have to come up with a better name for it because the word weed brings a lot of negative energy to it. And we need to find a beautiful word for it. And I think marijuana is not too far above weed. And so we need to figure out another way to say what it is that the idea that we're putting forth.

2:37:38SpeakerCan I say this, John? Dare I say that the union that we're in is cannabis. I mean, she's really the dictator of this. We're all doing her work. And I mean, it's, you know... How about Cannabliss? It is Cannabliss for us. Isn't it, though? I already have the name Cannabliss copyrighted. Damn you, Skunk Man! Shit! Give it up, then. We need it for the union. Every time you say it, I just need hundreds.

2:38:06SpeakerShit! Let's do this. Don't think it worldwide. What's really going to be the key is just that they stop criminalizing us. That's going to bring it all out. That's going to change it all. When cannabis can grow like the photo I posted in the Hash Church group on Facebook, just over the fence, proud, free. Nobody's ripping off their bloods because they got their own. We have to be strong enough to overcome what they're afraid of, and what they're afraid of is That we will get together and there will be enough money for us to start acting politically to shut those assholes down, remove them out of government, vote them out of their seats, and put somebody back in who's paying attention to our desires and wants and needs instead of big pharmacy and other people who have nefarious interests.

2:38:56SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:39:17SpeakerEverybody has to enter a lottery and you get picked out. You're going to be, for the next two years, you're going to be a policeman. You are going to be a judge. You're going to be a vice president. I ain't going to vote for you. To serve the fucking country. And they're only there for a couple of years so you don't have these fucking people who are loggered in to a spot and they've been selling influence for so long that they're filthy fucking rich and they got bank accounts in the Bahamas and they just want to get to the end of their term and get out and get away with the money.

2:39:52SpeakerThey sell America. I'm sure they sell Canada down the fucking tube all the goddamn time. If it was up to me, I would put those, get those people out of there, put them in front of a wall and increase the lead in their diet. Yes, yes. And how about the empathetic people that are willing to have all the compassion and all that type of stuff that are willing to stand up against those types of bullies and are unable to be pushed back.

2:40:21SpeakerI happen to know a few of those types of people that are very empathetic and are unable to be pushed. Yeah, listen, I know home motorcycle gangs that are unable to be pushed. Yes, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about a whole bunch of empathy. Well, them included, too. Some of them have a lot of empathy. We're talking about the idea of uniting enough people that are of like mind to bring about a change.

2:40:48SpeakerI mean, that's how the fucking Constitution got there. And we have the ability, the right to petition the government to change. Mark was just saying they change the rules in Canada all the time because enough people get together and cause a rule change. Well, we need that here. We got all these fucking people in jail and that is costing us an arm and a fucking leg to keep them there.

2:41:12SpeakerAnd then you've got the people who are running the jail are a bunch of abusive bastards who are sneaking drugs in and phones and And pulling all kinds of horse shit because they're playing, any time, the unfortunate thing is that there's a thing in people's souls that has to do with greed. And that's the old Indian story where the kid asks the grandfather, you know, how do you know what to do when you grow up?

2:41:38SpeakerAnd the grandfather says, there's two wolves inside of you. One is evil and one is good. And he says, well, how do I deal with that? And he says, whichever one you feed is how you're going to turn out. So you've got to feed the good one. And so I did my life. I volunteered and went to India and worked in a free hospital. I fucking volunteered.

2:41:58SpeakerI joined the Army when Vietnam came up because I grew up on an Army base and I didn't know any better. Now I would have fucking gone to Canada and be sitting right next to Mark over there in the chair. But that didn't happen. And I spent a lot of Time in India learning about myself when I was put in a spot to take care of people in the middle of nowhere and they became dependent and needed the help.

2:42:27SpeakerAnd so I learned about myself there and I think that everybody needs some kind of period that they go through where they mature. And we don't do that. Our culture doesn't do that. That's why a lot of guys are like, hey, I'm going to be a biker, because everybody wants to fucking do something and be remembered for something. And the footprint you leave in the world says all about you and who you are and how you'll be remembered.

2:42:58SpeakerI agree with you, but the trouble is, how do you think the Trumps want to be remembered? Well, I mean, the Trumps and the Clintons and all those people who are busy building fucking mountains of cash and hiding it away. You know, guess what? When they die, everybody gets together and divides up all their shit. And so, if you kind of look at that attitude, you know, when I die, I want my fucking last check to bounce.

2:43:28SpeakerAnd then they can talk about who's going to pay it.

2:43:34SpeakerI've left enough behind in this world. I've given out enough. You know, trimming. Here's a freebie. Take a fucking bucket of liquid nitrogen down below a screen that you can tilt, like a 20 degree tilt, right? You cut your buds so that they're long. And you have the liquid nitrogen below, so then you get this phenomenon called overhead because the liquid nitrogen is spitting out the, is changing back to a gas and pouring up.

2:44:04SpeakerAnd you just roll your buds down there and what will happen is the overhead is so cold that it will freeze the leaves and the leaves will break right off and bang, there you go, you got a trimmed bud.

2:44:15BubblemanHa, gem.

2:44:18SpeakerIt's a very easy scenario to do. You could do it in a rolling drum as well using the overhead. Nitrogen is such a wonderful thing. My nickname when I was in Switzerland was Dr. Nitrogen.

2:44:36SpeakerDr. N. Dr. N. It played a big role in everything. I like nitrogen. As long as you don't get... Yourself in a room where you start breathing it and you'll be fine. Just keep that in mind. It's more dangerous than butane in that way because you talk about ringing your bell, it'll be the last fucking bell you hear.

2:45:00BubblemanWelcome back, Mark Scaldone.

2:45:03SpeakerYeah, I don't know. Yes, did I miss a question?

2:45:09BubblemanYeah, you missed the question. It was a heavy duty, super crazy deep chemistry question.

2:45:14SpeakerIt was really good.

2:45:15BubblemanWe're past it. Well, you'll have to grab that another time.

2:45:20SpeakerI'm a victim of hotel internet.

2:45:23BubblemanSorry about that. Oh, hotel internet. Don't try to download anything. I'll tell you that much.

2:45:29SpeakerGeez, you got to go and get a room so you can do hash charge? He's traveling right now.

2:45:35BubblemanHe's on a fish tour.

2:45:36SpeakerOh, okay. Never mind. Hey, not to backtrack a little bit, but this is the third time I've heard about this weed honey. Is that for real? No, none of the honey has ever been tested and found to contain THC. Bees absolutely do collect male pollen, but do they collect resin? If they did, they would probably use it to make, what is it called, propolis or propolis? I forget.

2:46:13BubblemanIt would be hard to imagine if they were collecting pollen or whatever from a cannabis plant that they would probably end up getting some of it on them because it's sticky as fuck.

2:46:22SpeakerYou did not get high from it. I mean, there's a guy 10 miles from here by the side of the road who has a big setup selling bee honey guaranteed made from marijuana pollen. And I bought a bottle and, you know, we put it on the toast and zero results except for it was really good honey and really had it to the toast.

2:46:46BubblemanMy friend Mr. Cookie makes like a medicated honey. I mean he's infusing it, not using bees, but actually taking the hash and putting it in the honey. And it gets you quite nicely high. Yeah.

2:47:01SpeakerI was accused of using either bees or ants to make my 99.9 years ago. I think it was ants because I remember that.

2:47:11Etienne FontanYou can also do it with mushrooms. Put mushroom in honey and it will leak into the honey. Oh, smart.

2:47:19BubblemanThat's a good way to preserve. Honey's a great preservative.

2:47:24SpeakerWell, I actually have to get going, guys, so I'm happy I finally made it in here, and I'm sure there's people that are in the chat that are glad I made it here, and some that aren't, so that's awesome. You guys have a good one, and hopefully I get a good internet connection to your computer to where I can do this more.

2:47:46BubblemanYeah, thanks for coming in, Brett.

2:47:48SpeakerNice to meet you, Brett. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it was nice talking with all you guys. Nice meeting you.

2:47:54Etienne FontanIt was a pleasure, Brett.

2:47:55SpeakerYeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Look forward to the next time.

2:47:59BubblemanSolid audience today. I think we had close to 1,000 at one point. We're still above 900. Love to see that. It's always nice to know.

2:48:06SpeakerWhere do you go to see Brett's videos? He's got a handle?

2:48:11BubblemanHe's on YouTube. If you Google Brett Maverick, I'm certain that it would come up, his pages and whatnot.

2:48:20SpeakerI'd like to hear more on how... Who you calling a moron? I'd like to hear more on John's view on how we're going to unite and get the people that are in power and money out of the way and get people united in the proper ways. I'm very curious. You know, you can have a few guys with a lot of money who run things, and then you can have a whole bunch of people, nobody's got a lot of money, but they're all together and pull what they have, and they knock the guy with a lot of money out of the seat.

2:48:55SpeakerAnd so what we've got to do is probably have some kind of an internet meeting where we can discuss and nominate people who would be interested anyway, like Mark maybe, into being the administrator. And we need to have a, it should function a bit like a public owned company. We should call membership. People pay so much for membership and this gives us money to go after people in the political process and hire the right intellectual people to do that with like we're going to need an attorney.

2:49:40SpeakerWe're going to take advantage of all people who are sitting in here and other people who come who have expertise and know what they're talking and doing and put it all together so that we can present a package When we go to the state governments or the local governments and say, here is the deal. We're connected. There's 2.7 million of us. We're going to register ourselves as a union and be union members because unions are a clear thing that the government understands and knows about.

2:50:17SpeakerA lot of people who are tied together who aren't going to flip-flop about it. And once we decide on what we need and what we want, whoever is going to be that administrator and the rest of the people that will be connected with it have to take over and start doing their job. But definitely, like you said, we need people who aren't quitters, you know, and that's probably the most important thing, you know, people who won't lay down on the job or who won't give up so easy.

2:50:50SpeakerBecause I've not been a quitter all my life. I'm 70. I just had an argument with a guy the other day. He says, hey, I'm 27. He said, I'm 55, but I retired at 27. And I said, really? We don't have anything to say to each other then. He said, what do you mean? And I said, so you said on your ass at age 27, and now you're 55, and you think you have enough money?

2:51:12SpeakerYou know, fuck you. You know, I'm 70 and I still haven't fucking slowed down. And I don't want to hear something from someone who quit at 27. Thanks. World experience. I'm in favor of people quitting when they feel like it. I mean, why should everybody have to work forever? There's no law that says you have to. If you have enough money and you'd rather spend time fishing or learning how to dry sift better, more power to you.

2:51:42SpeakerI support that too. I'm all for that too, but I didn't want to have somebody throw in my face. You know, they were talking about the poor, and I said, you know, you got to do the best you can under the circumstances to help the poor out. You know, people sometimes are poor by circumstance, you know, and you don't always have to give them something. It's the old story, give a guy a fish or teach him how to fish for himself.

2:52:05SpeakerAnd, uh, The guy says, okay, well, I challenge you to dump 200 bucks a week into a food thing. And I'm like, dude, you don't even know me. I spent 14 years in India in a free hospital and I didn't take a fucking penny for it. When you can stand up to even any of the small things that I've pulled off in my life in favor of the rest of the fucking planet, then come and start telling me about how much money you're dumping in a food thing every other week.

2:52:32SpeakerIt's just, you know, okay, you can stop at 27%. And you can concentrate. But you didn't just stop at 20. You're doing something. You learned your dry sift technique. I'm 70. I don't go to a job every day, but believe you me, there's still goals to be accomplished in the pot. There's things to understand about it. And I intend to learn and understand as much about it as I can up until the day I toke my last joint, if that even ever happens.

2:53:02SpeakerWell, at 65, I can honestly say I pretty much retired working. That said, I still continue doing anything I like, but that's not work. Work is what you're doing usually partially against your will for profit. I suppose that that's how you look at it, and that's what most people do. I never worked for anybody else in my entire life. Neither did I, but my boss was a bastard.

2:53:38SpeakerI'd like to add that if you do what you love for work, you never actually work another day in your life. And 99 or whatever percent, that is what I was doing, of course. My dad told me that when I was 10 years old, and... You know, I've been living by that one. I have only been doing things that I want to do. I've had people offer me jobs to do things that I thought were, once a guy wanted me to run a whole big thing where they were extracting corn oil, and I'm like, no, no, I'm not going to stand around and extract corn oil all fucking day long, are you nuts?

2:54:24SpeakerAnd he goes, yeah, but you've got your own lab and you can analyze it every day, and I said, And how many times do you think I can analyze corn oil before I fucking put a gun to somebody's head? If not my own. I mean, I'm not interested in doing things like that. So I always found something else to do. If you feel like killing somebody, you just need to go to an ashram and chill out.

2:54:50SpeakerI did that. I was talking about myself, by the way, because I was, you know, I know, I'm just pulling on your leg, John. I know, I've got one leg longer than the other, so grab the left one, will you? You have a bong rip. Whoa. The fuck is up? There's his phone.

2:55:14BubblemanThat's awesome. He's like, what the fuck?

2:55:22SpeakerI looked at mine, I'm like, It's not mine. I don't got a cell phone. That's amazing. I change mine all the time. You guys are wild.

2:55:35BubblemanNo cell phone. No cell phone. My two-year-old's got a cell phone. Well, I got a cell phone.

2:55:41SpeakerThat's right, because it doesn't have a private secretary.

2:55:44BubblemanMy two-year-old doesn't have a cell phone.

2:55:49SpeakerIt just sounded good. There's two kinds of cell phones. There's the incriminating evidence cell phone where all your info is on. And then there's those Kmart cell phones for $29 and a talk card on them, which you don't have to give them any information. You buy it cash and when you're done, you drop it out of the window on the freeway in front of a truck.

2:56:10BubblemanI remember back in the day when those first came out and the commercial was this orangutan and he like walks into the store and he grabs one of these phones and he puts money on the table and he splits. And then my friend went to buy a bunch of them and he's up at the counter and the lady's like, can I see your ID? And he's like, what do you mean can you see my ID?

2:56:31BubblemanYou don't need to see my ID. And she's like, no, I'm going to need to see your ID. And he's like, You have a fucking orangutan buying these on the commercial. Where was his ID? It was basically a funny experience, buying burner phones. He's buying too many.

2:56:48SpeakerWell, if you bought them back before they started asking for the ID, I mean, some crooks got a hold of them first right off the bat.

2:56:54BubblemanWow, that's who it was designed for.

2:56:58SpeakerRight?

2:56:59BubblemanOf course. That changed the cell phone game when they came out with those prepays. What are those, little Terp Rips?

2:57:07Etienne FontanYeah, have you seen these? These turp caps?

2:57:09BubblemanYeah, I have seen the turp caps.

2:57:11Etienne FontanYeah, out of BC, I actually scored one off an auction this week to try. For people who don't know, the latest in BC technology there is because we now have turps, they're making these turp caps, which are like carb caps, but it has an area where you can put your turps into. So as opposed to putting your turps directly onto your rig or onto your nail, you're slowly evaporating them right out of the cup.

2:57:38BubblemanIt's a great idea. What's the name of the account?

2:57:42Etienne FontanGlass by Jesse underscore Evans. Exactly. Perfect.

2:57:47SpeakerAnd then what's up? Does the smoke or vape from the resin below, does that get drawn through the liquid turps or just in the same vessel?

2:58:00Etienne FontanI'm going to find out. I just got one, so I'm waiting to, when it comes from Canada, I'll know. But from what it looks like, it looks like it is inhaling air through, so you're actually sucking through, and it adds the terpenes directly to the smoke.

2:58:15BubblemanI love that you brought that up, Etienne. I was over at Corey Cottenham's glass studio yesterday on the Sunshine Coast, and he's an extremely talented glassblower. I got to watch him a little bit and see some beautiful headpieces. He had like 20 Beautiful headpieces, which was not something you see every day from an artist. But I mentioned to him the innovation that's happening in carb cap technology and how the glassblowers are on this very fine line of trying to maintain individuality and innovate while not trying to bite on someone's style, which is Which is hard because really isn't that what innovation is where you take something that someone did and you increase the quality or the benefit of the efficiency of it.

2:58:59BubblemanThat's to me often innovation can be that. It doesn't always have to be coming up with the craziest, newest, greatest thing that no one really thought of. But these carb caps I've been really stoked on and for me I saw those only recently at ATN, the one that you showed. But this one from J&S Glass. I did a little video on not too long ago and you can't see it but the little nipple at the bottom of the carb cap is at an angle so when you spin this thing around your banger it moves the oil and keeps the oil moving rather than let it sit and cool one piece of your quartz or whatever the nail is that you're hitting and it also has two levels so it fits a smaller banger and it fits a bigger banger that's why it's got the two Rich is there that you see that are a darker glass.

2:59:47BubblemanAnd he goes by the name J underscore S Glass.

2:59:52Etienne FontanNot sure why it's not being... Have you seen the Wisdom Apparatus by Hitman Glass? They're a banger that actually has a tube in it with three directionals, so it actually pushes the air directly down. For inhalation, so it actually evaporates directly off of the nail base. It's called Wisdom Apparatus, and I know that's by Hitman Glass.

3:00:15BubblemanI did see that, and another one to mention is Puking Beagle, Puking Beagle, however you want to pronounce the beagle. Yeah, the Puking Beagle. It's definitely how it's spelled. He's got an Instagram account. I wish I could find it, because they did an incredible rip with three bangers. Oh, here it is right here. And he's got these pretty awesome round, here goes the carb caps. And they've got a tube of glass that come out at the bottom of the carb caps.

3:00:47BubblemanSo they're basically a tube with a big bubble in the middle that carbs. So he's moving it around as well. And there's something really to be said for moving the direction around while you're hitting it. Because from the standpoint of milking a rip, It is absolutely more efficient. So props to these Canadian artists and to Puking Beagle and all these other artists that are constantly trying to innovate something while not trying to bite on anyone in particular style.

3:01:16BubblemanI think it's pretty sweet.

3:01:17Etienne FontanIt's neat to see that people are taking this newer access of technology and figuring out different ways to uptake it. I like the innovation that the glass blowers are really trying to Take a different way of, now that we have these terms, how are different ways we can ingest it. And we've just described how many different methodologies and what will become the predominant one will be interesting to see over time.

3:01:43BubblemanYeah, I like that. SW just said you hit the hash on the nail. And with that said, why don't we hit some hash on the nail?

3:01:50SpeakerHey, has anybody else tried putting some really good material in with a little DMSO and staking it on the palm of your hand?

3:02:04SpeakerCome on, Mark.

3:02:05Etienne FontanReally? Yeah. That sounds interesting. That would be a pretty quick onset, right?

3:02:11SpeakerWell, it slams you, let me tell you that. MSO is really overpowering. It doesn't solve it by itself. I find it very noxious or distasteful, right? It tastes kind of garlicky. Yeah, garlicky, oniony, but overpowering. Well, if you put it on the palm of your hand with a couple dabs of oil in it, it's pretty interesting. If you put it on your palm, you can taste it.

3:02:38SpeakerYes, you can taste it. And if you take your shoe off and let someone smell your feet, they'll smell it there, too. That's the subliminal absorption quality that our body has. Anything you put on your tongue or palm of your hands or soles of your feet, it's instantly available in the rest of your body. No surprise, the body's full of cannabinoid receptors, right? What also works is DMSO, Vaseline, and lysergic acid.

3:03:03SpeakerOh, my God.

3:03:05Etienne FontanWhoa. What the hell? Holy. Yeah.

3:03:11SpeakerYeah, you guys don't do that? You guys aren't doing that? You better make sure... You completely strip nude and you lube yourself up completely.

3:03:21Etienne FontanAnd you better be someplace where you want to be because you're not going far.

3:03:25BubblemanIt's like Amsterdam Queens Day, man. What are you talking about?

3:03:33BubblemanI think I've seen that guy, actually.

3:03:36SpeakerStaring at the wall. Are you wearing Gould LeMay briefs with roller skates?

3:03:44BubblemanOh, that's frightening. Yeah, basically.

3:03:46Etienne FontanI think it was a dragon floating through the sky. My God.

3:03:51BubblemanWelcome back, Todd. Damn, future's so bright, Darren's got to wear shades. Clouds. Probably protecting his eyes from the clouds.

3:04:02SpeakerHis eyes are probably too tiny to... Red dots right about now. Hey, Todd, speaking of lysergic acid, what did you think of the deadhead getting out of jail this week? Yes. Kind of cool, right? Made me happy. Yeah. Yeah, I think that that was a demographic that was really targeted. Like, in a really pathetic way, like an easy group of people to go after, and they did, and Operation Dead End, it was called, was a fucking horrible time in our culture, you know, when alcoholics and tobacco smokers were chasing marijuana smokers and LSD eaters and criminalizing them because their drugs were legal and their drugs were not.

3:04:50SpeakerSo I hated the hypocrisy and seeing these people get out to me is a long time overdue and way underdone. And I'm glad to see Obama. Thank you for joining us.

3:05:21SpeakerWe have locked up so many people for profit and not for principle that this whole country is screwed up. I was left with something from, of all people, one of the prison guards, but he said to me when he started his job in the 70s it was about rehabilitating human beings, but in the 90s it just became about warehousing human bodies. And he was so crushed by it because he thought he was doing good helping people be able to rehabilitate their lives.

3:05:54SpeakerWell, it's sad that this country's got more people in prison than the whole fucking rest of the world combined. And what's worse is 82% of the people that we got locked up in prison are there for a stupid crime to deal, doing with marijuana one way or another. Smoking it, selling it, receiving it, growing it, something. That's what they're all in jail for. And we're all paying for that.

3:06:17SpeakerAnd that gets back to the idea of unionizing and changing things because those people are actually a human resource and we're pissing it away down the stream. How many people, I mean, how many people did you meet in jail when you were there who were intelligent, smart people, had something to say or maybe they kept their mouth shut because they were in jail but you could tell those that were More human-like than the people who've got the idea of putting all these people in jail.

3:06:50SpeakerI mean, this was one of the biggest backfire. We've got more people in jail than we've got in the fucking army. I mean, no wonder China and the rest of the countries around the world go, what do you mean human rights, motherfucker? You guys got... To me, the drug war, John, really was about easy targets. These people went after the culture that protested their, you know, adventures in war.

3:07:14SpeakerI mean, when you look at Nixon and you look at the war on drugs and you look at the DEA, you look at his direct hatred of protesters because they were inhibiting the government's ability to make more and more money by working in collusion with the arms and weapons manufacturers to go invade everything and everywhere without question. And when you hippies started questioning the moves and the government's actions, they went after the culture and the drugs that were being used by the people that were basically objecting to them.

3:07:46SpeakerWell, but you've got to remember, these are people who, at the end of the day, would start having cocktails. By the time the evening was over, they were blasted out of their mind on alcohol. They didn't sleep well. They woke up in the morning. The old lady wouldn't give them a blowjob because she's got a hangover too. And then they go in looking for somebody to take their frustrations out on.

3:08:07SpeakerAnd they get involved in these programs and it's a vicious circle. It's like they tell cops it's okay to lie. This is a for instance. And cops use that and they lie all the time. But if you take a look at what that causes is once you start telling lies about one thing, it proliferates like a fucking nasty root through your whole entire existence. And these guys who've been forced or been in a situation where they had to lie to people also lied to their families and everybody else they know.

3:08:40SpeakerSome stuff is insidious and it sneaks in. And that's why you've got to live a right life and right behavior. Because at the end, when you get ready to dump your body, whatever it is you're thinking about in that moment is going to affect how you come back. And really, this has been going on since forever. And it's going to keep going on forever. The universe is unending.

3:09:02SpeakerIt changes all the time. But it's always the same story. And that is light versus dark. And that's what's going on. You can see it. If you open your mind up to it, you can see it in the cosmic play about the way the planets are created and everything is done. Everything here is a fucking circle. Why are the planets all around? They're always going in a circle.

3:09:25SpeakerAnd this universe is full circle. And so, shit that you do here on the causal plane in your dense body... I'm going to come back to you. And so you have to decide. Now, those people who are doing that don't have any clue about that. They'll die on their bed. You know, at the last minute when those people are dying, they're like, call my son in so I can apologize to him before I die.

3:09:47SpeakerAnd instead of living a life of love with them in the first place. And that's how jails came about. And we don't understand and we don't respect each other. And we need to bring that forth. And if we get the right kind of union going where education extends further than what does pot do to you, but how you live your life and we're for that. And pot is a thing that will make you turn around and look inside yourself.

3:10:14SpeakerIt'll make you look back. It'll give you that idea of intra-inspection. And that's the first step towards realization. If you're not asking that question of yourself, you're not really going anywhere. All right, I'm sorry. I'm preaching now. I don't think most people are going anywhere. And I myself, I do not believe in reincarnation in the slightest. Well, that's okay. You don't have to believe in it. Science doesn't care what you think about that.

3:10:48SpeakerReincarnation doesn't care what you think about it. You know, I'm sure under the right circumstances, you know, reincarnation, that's a trigger word and I think it triggered you a bit. I think what's happening is there's multiple universes and pretty much the same things going on in all these parallel universes and you can find the most ideal existence in those universes and be in that one. I've already done that and I'm here.

3:11:21SpeakerThat's right. You're here now experiencing it. But how many people could you say that you know who feel that way, who have that level of understanding? Nobody. Most people are ruled by fear and the need to believe there is a plan, maybe a god. They're going to be reincarnated as gods. Their egos last scream going, how can there be existence if I'm not there? Well, the I is a very important part of that sentence that you just explained.

3:11:57SpeakerAnd that's the part of the sentence that confuses mankind. You know, I sat by my dad's bed a couple of years ago when he was passing away from bone and lung cancer. And he was scared to death about dying. And... That was his main fear. I went there every day. He would talk about that. And finally I said to him, Dad, you never believed in reincarnation, right?

3:12:22SpeakerBut I brought my daughter, Vrindavan, here and I would like you to meet her. And Vrindavan came in the room and my dad took one look at her and realized that there's something about reincarnation because my sister Rosemary died and she was a dead ringer for Vrindavan, my daughter. And my dad finally opened his mind up And we talked and talked and talked. I sat by his bedside for 16 weeks.

3:12:47SpeakerI lived in the hospital. I moved in right next to Dad because I didn't want him to feel like he was deserted at the end. And everybody else in the family would come for an hour and leave. And I said, fuck that. Give me a cot. And I moved in right next to him. And so finally he had a dream one night that angels came and told him he had a few weeks left.

3:13:06SpeakerAnd he totally and wholly accepted that idea. And it freed him from his fear of death. And a few weeks later at 3 a.m. in the morning, he squeezed my hand and woke me up. And I said, what's up, Dad? And he said, the angels are here to take me now. And I said, I can say goodbye to you. And he said, tell me, tell your brothers and your sisters and your mother that I loved them as best I could.

3:13:29SpeakerAnd then he looked at me with a very sweet look in his eye, which Dad was an alcoholic all his life. He never had those kinds of looks. But his face was sweet and innocent. He took a big breath in and let it out. And you could hear a whoosh. And kind of a thunder effect in the room and dad was gone. I could tell it was just his shell left.

3:13:48SpeakerAnd I sat there and I could feel his presence in the room for the next few hours that I just sat there with him in the room. And he had a little smile on his face. And finally I got up and went out and I knew that the life force doesn't dissipate. The body might, but the life force is still present. You can feel it. You know when it's around you.

3:14:09SpeakerI could feel my dad when he left. And I don't think that it's just the horrible black ending where you die. There's a part of you... That's not a horrible black ending, really, John. That's the way it is. Well, okay. That's the way it is for you. And I hope when you do pass, Sam, that you... You find out that that's not the truth. Can I interject something that's being not spoken is there's all this fascination with after death because we have a life and then we worry about what happens later.

3:14:42SpeakerNo one's talking about pre-birth and you know what and what the fuck were you before you were born? You don't give a shit because right now you're partying. You're only worried about what happens later. And to me, you can't have hell without the heaven or heaven without the hell. To me, it's all a big cycle. And humanity goes on, and we may be just little nerve endings on the fingertip of life, experiencing things and feeding back when we dream.

3:15:07SpeakerAnd the whole thing grows and now we have, you know, we've gone from fires, you know, to nuclear fusion because of collective experience together and trying to keep that ego in place. I feel like sometimes you speak in contradictions because you seem so enlightened and then you go back to this ego being important that it's going to reincarnate when really humanity is the big ego that is going to reincarnate without us being exactly what we think we were or worried about what we were before we were born.

3:15:37SpeakerTodd, I never said the ego reincarnates and I don't think the ego does. Don't let ego be a trigger word for you. Ego is healthy. Ego is healthy when you're in a body and it's part of the process on the dense plane. I don't be macho when I say ego. You know, knowing and understanding yourself in martial arts is a big tenet of balancing your mind, your body, and your spirit.

3:16:00SpeakerAnd this is like a goal in it. And, you know, accepting life, accepting that I don't know what happened prior, I may not know what happens later, to me is just accepting the path that you're on. It's the beauty of it. Okay, but ego and spirit are two different things. Life is like a flower, and when the flower flowers, the perfume dissipates into the air. If you have a soul or a consciousness when you're alive, when you die, it dissipates into the wind.

3:16:37SpeakerWell, does it not become the collective body of humanity? Isn't it beautiful? And aren't your experiences going to reinterpret in the experiences of others that don't even realize they were influenced by you? I surely believe that. And there is my reincarnation story, if you will.

3:16:55BubblemanWe all get to find out eventually, and that's the beautiful thing. Like John said to Sam, and it applies to everything we've all said to one another... Which is that whatever does happen probably doesn't require our belief or our understanding. So it should be interesting. I'm not in a rush.

3:17:18SpeakerIt doesn't require it, but it is a lesson. And what you can make from it is the part that you can put inside yourself and enrich yourself with. And believe me, Sam, I'm not hung up on What's going to happen next life because I'm too busy doing this life right here and now. I'm not worried about the past except for I know that a lot of people I've run into on earth, there's no way that I could have felt so close and near to them if I hadn't been with them before.

3:17:52SpeakerIn another time. Dare I say this, John? If you really eat enough acid like I have, we're all interconnected, brother. You're just recognizing it. We're all breathing the same air. We're all absorbing the same molecules. We're all eating the same foods. We're all full of the same blood in a way. You are having the same experience. It's a collective shared consciousness. Well, that's true enough, but there's some people that you were standing closer to in the collective crowd that you recognize better when you come back in this life.

3:18:24SpeakerMaybe somebody on the other side. You know, I've seen plenty of people who are just people. I go around and I see them. I have compassion for everybody, but I have met some people that we... That we just got off instantly within the first minute of conversation. We were close friends and by a few days later we were best of buddies. And how do you understand that, that you really ring...

3:18:50SpeakerThank you for joining us.

3:19:05SpeakerI don't even see them, but nature brings them together. And I think that in a way that there is this kind of cosmic attraction that we all deal with where we do find the people, the souls, the energies, the ideas that attract us. I mean, I could say it's funny, but like when I first met Mark, me and Mark clicked. We were just friends. Bam. Oh, wow.

3:19:26SpeakerHey, what's up? Bam. Started talking. It's been the same ever since. And there's a lot of ATN again. ATN's another one. We met each other. Instant friends for life.

3:19:35BubblemanBrothers from another mother.

3:19:37SpeakerYeah, but I wouldn't say this is a reason of reincarnation. It's just that we're humans having human experiences, and when we bump into each other, we see the similarities of ourselves in one another. We appreciate, hey, you're an honest person, not trying to screw anybody over. Let's be friends. Next thing you know, two decades go by. Well, I mean, okay, Todd, haven't you ever met someone who the first two seconds you wanted to slap them?

3:20:04SpeakerOf course, you know what though, it's not a product of their behavior. It's not a product of their behavior, the way they were acting when you experienced them. You're taking a snapshot of who they are at that instant and wanting to, of course, like you said, slap them. But there's people I've met and I've experienced for two seconds and wanted to hug them because what I experienced them doing was very positive.

3:20:26SpeakerSo it goes both ways. Well, I'm still not trying to connect any of that to reincarnation. My dad was dying, and when someone's dying, my teacher in India told me long ago, at the hospital, and he says, listen, never, ever, ever tell a patient anything. That they're dying. He said, when they ask you how everything's going, you must always say, everything's fine, you're going to be okay, don't worry about anything.

3:20:52SpeakerCan I say something, John? Dare I say this? I was given less than nine months to live, three times before I was nine years old as a child, and the last two times I remember my mom's emotional breakdowns and dealing with it myself. I disagree. I think that by focusing on the fact that I'm going to die, it has liberated my life. It has caused me to lead an honest life that was brave, full of passion and not fear because I know that someday this part is over.

3:21:21SpeakerAnd you deserve the truth, Todd. You deserve the truth, Todd. Everybody deserves the truth, but you have to sometimes mix truth and compassion together. But the truth unlocks my life. Telling a child they're going to die to me is about You might as well put turds in the milk and start up. You don't tell kids they're going to die. Okay, two things, John. I've got to be honest.

3:21:47SpeakerLife is a little more than coddling a child. When I had cancer, I had it nine times in eight years. So from the years between two and ten, I was sick perpetually. Radiation, chemotherapy, and nine surgeries. So if you think that I was bluffing myself that this life was short, you're wrong. Thank you for watching.

3:22:26SpeakerAnd the morality that they would have if they knew that every second was sacred, life was short, they should respect all life, and they should enjoy themselves. And really, this is the only chance they get to do it because the Grim Reaper's coming from you. I don't care about the Santa Claus stories, but shielding people from the truth is always a negative, never a positive. Well, Todd, let me say this about that.

3:22:51SpeakerI can see that you're pretty... I'm excited about that and it's obviously played a big part in your life and you hate disappointment and you think you'd rather hear bad news so that you could deal with it better. But I worked in the pediatric ward in India in a hospital for about 11 years and the parents of the children We're always, already scared to death of morality.

3:23:22SpeakerThe kids were there to have open heart surgery. The kids were scared to death about mortality. And after having the operation, a lot of them would have a lot of serious things happen. A lot of times because they open up the chest on the left side and go in, little particles or things might get stuck in the spinal column and affect them like they can't breathe and they put them on a respirator.

3:23:49SpeakerAnd if you don't offer them hope while they're in these situations, then you're remiss and you haven't learned anything about life. These kids needed to have hope to get off of the respirator. I would work on them, manipulate them. Their parents needed hope to understand that the kid was going to be okay because mortality in India is different than it is in this country. And offering them that kind of hope was a good thing, even though you think maybe it might have been a bad thing.

3:24:20SpeakerIt was a very good thing because these kids would recover faster and better. They would get off the respirator sooner because they would ask me every day, how am I doing, doctor? And I would say, you're doing fine. And you're going to be okay. You're going to recover from this. And I used to tell them that all the time. And I would do it again a million times.

3:24:42SpeakerAnd I don't think it was a bad thing at all. And yeah, that's how I feel about it. I guess everybody, you know, one man's meat is another man's poison, so. Yeah, and you know what, as a young child, I'll be honest, I made my own conclusion about disappointment, that it was attached to my expectations, and when I would lose my expectations, I would also lose my disappointment.

3:25:05SpeakerAnd to me, what my expectations was, is I would be a healthy little boy that was cancer-free, and instead what I had to shift to was the appreciation that I was a little boy that could breathe. And I could love my mom and love my little brother and love my little sister and enjoy the life that I was given instead of being disappointed about the life that I expected I should have been given.

3:25:26SpeakerAnd I think once I reached that place, I found a lot to motivate me to enjoy my life and to make the most out of every moment. And honestly, I think that a lot of times, and I know you're not one of them, but the Catholic, which is what I was raised, faith, wants you to fear death and And I think that needs a lot of people to live really corrupt lives because they don't realize that this is the only, you know, every second is fleeting.

3:25:53SpeakerThis is the only show. There's no take twos here. Well, you know, I'm glad you brought up the church. I didn't want to bring it up, but I could feel it lurking in the background there. This idea, this lesson that you got about expectations always, if you have expectations, that always leads to a cliff or some kind of bad shit's going to happen. But that's not necessarily always true.

3:26:16SpeakerAnd creating expectations in somebody, it could be the actual thing that you're talking about, I think, rather than what I was talking about. And creating a false expectation in somebody and then encouraging them Could be disrupted and I'll agree with you on that. But if you don't give people some kind of positive energy who are in a situation like that, being ill or needing an operation or just having had one, you're remiss really.

3:26:47SpeakerThey need, the one thing they need that aids the whole thing to go along is hope. It's the same thing that everybody on the fucking planet needs. It's what we need in the union that we're talking about. Hope is If it's not driven by dollars, it needs to be driven by hope and human emotions because that's the thing that will make it strong enough to stand up and survive and wade through the manipulators of money.

3:27:12SpeakerYou've got to use this hope thing. The Russians have a saying. They say, hope will be the last thing to die. I would say hope is irrational and reality is, you know, among us. And I don't mean to say that that sounds cute, but all those kids are going to die someday. All the adults are going to die someday. Well, that's a given. The reality is, is we got one life to live and I mean, I get it, but I'm glad I didn't have that kind of fairy tale influence around me as a child.

3:27:44SpeakerI'm glad that my motivation became, you know, living my life, exploring the planet, making friends, and cherishing those moments because that's really what life is all about. Listen, there's 11 kids in my family and my dad could not only, not feed me, much less send me to fucking school. I used, when I was going pre-med and med school, I worked three jobs a day. I worked at a fucking hot dog stand on weekends selling hot dogs to have enough money to stay in school.

3:28:12SpeakerAnd during the night I washed dishes and in the morning I got up and rode a garbage truck to dump the garbage to stay in school. I did that. I worked seven days a week as many hours as I could possibly. And the thing that kept me going was watching some weird little black tail walk around behind you. The thing that kept me going was hope. I kept That foremost, and I don't think it was a fantasy because I had to get down and do it.

3:28:38SpeakerI had to work. And I, listen, I didn't sleep for about five years. You know, I slept bits and pieces here and there. I slept in between garbage cans and stuffs on the back of the truck, you know. I slept every chance I could get because it was a tough scenario, but hope always was there for me. If I would have felt hopeless, or the situation you described, I don't think I ever would have graduated med school.

3:29:06SpeakerI never would have gone back and became an osteopath. I never would have gone to India. I never would have had any of the experiences that led me up to understanding and doing the BHO because all those things We're me doing the experimental part of life that you described, but always doing it with joy and hope that it was going to lead me to something really good.

3:29:30SpeakerI never stopped following that. I think that there's maybe a difference in the definition of hope. I knew I was going to do those things. I've been all over the planet myself. I'm far from where I was born right now, bro. Far, far from where I was born. So life has been an adventure that we can define ourselves. That's more dreams than hope. Yeah, and it was determination.

3:29:55SpeakerIt was fascination. It was me reading books and looking at maps. You know, I didn't hope myself to Europe. You know, I planned myself to Europe, and maybe that's the difference. But I love the life you've led. The things you say to me are great. And you know what? Maybe when I'm talking about death and I don't hope people don't take this negative, I think that it's a liberating thing.

3:30:17SpeakerI believe that to be truthful... You have to focus on the fact that life is only so long for us all, and we have to make the most of it. And if everybody used their time to do good things, this planet would be a lot better. Well, you said we're a little tiny thing on the tip of the finger. I think we need to get in touch with the rest of the hand, and we can get things done.

3:30:39SpeakerOne finger can't actually do much, except for bend. Can't really get much going. But if we translate all that into the hand and get... Get everybody involved with the same idea of let's take this forward on the most positive note possible. I think we can all do something. It doesn't matter about next life. What matters is right here, right now. My teacher, one day he said to me, hey, you want to know how to be immortal?

3:31:10SpeakerAnd I said, sure. And he said, when you live in the past, when you're thinking about the past, you age. I don't think anyone's worrying about it. Yeah.

3:31:46BubblemanWell, maybe some people are. I don't know. I'm not saying that nobody's worrying about it. All of a sudden we'll have a huge argument of, yes, there are some people there. I'm just joking around. Bubble time, I see.

3:31:59SpeakerI love where you're coming from, John, though. I want to say that. We may have differences in small opinions, but making the most of your life is something you most obviously did, and I've admired you from the second I started reading the things you started posting. Party on, my brother, please. Can I say something here? I hate to interrupt, but this is exactly the conversations that I like to show people that if there's alcohol involved, there'd be a lot different turnout than smoking weed and hash and disgusting like this and the difference in the turnout.

3:32:36SpeakerThis is fucking beautiful. You mean I'd be saying you want to wrestle? Yeah.

3:32:44BubblemanFuck, don't even start with that shit.

3:32:47Etienne FontanThumb wrestling everyone. Everybody thumb wrestle.

3:32:49SpeakerWe'll have a... No, I'm sure if John and I were together right now, we would just smoke a joint, hug each other, sit down and laugh and talk around. That's what I love about this movement, this plant. Look what it does. I love it, man. I love it. It lets you love outside of yourself. Go ahead, John. It lets you love outside of yourself. You know, everybody is very much for themselves all the time, but you smoke with a bunch of people and get high, and then you start looking around the room and seeing what nice energy that all these people are radiating, and you want to be part of it, and you want to know.

3:33:28SpeakerThe big question for me after I got high the first time was, how do I get this feeling about everybody all the time without anything other than life and breathing in some life? Turned out it was, you have to mix it with a little marijuana smoke. And breathe in life.

3:33:48Etienne FontanThat's what, yeah, and exhale. Let in the good, let out the bad.

3:33:53SpeakerYou know, it's interesting because Bernard over at Positronics used to always talk about cannabis being an entheogen drug that causes you to find the God in yourself, to find the good in humanity, and to find a path of spiritual contentment, but just by smoking a joint. Well, you know, Lord Shiva smoked and he doesn't, he kind of calls for his devotees as the stories go to smoke.

3:34:18SpeakerHis earrings are made of pot seeds and he was one of the, he's supposedly the creator and the destroyer and I think pot is a key. You know, there was a lot of locks here that weren't being opened for a long time and when people started smoking pot, The key started opening more and more minds.

3:34:42Etienne FontanIt's a tree of knowledge, right?

3:34:45SpeakerYes. Well, obviously, it's the tree of... Are you sure that Shiva smoked? What year was that? If you read the Mahabharata, you'll find about 12 pages in there where it talks about how... Eating cannabis. Eating cannabis. Right. Okay. Okay. Well, not many people have, so I only referenced it because of your question. But anyway, that's been going on for a long time. Mankind's been smoking pot for a long time.

3:35:19SpeakerThe thing that hasn't been going on for a long time is jailing people for it. And pot, the thing they're afraid of is it does wake people up. And they don't want too many woken up people. They need people to go to work, work in factories, and do bookkeeping and be bean counters and We're polished cars and work at restaurants that they like to go to. It's about control.

3:35:45SpeakerIt's about control. And pot is like it's a pressure release valve off of that. You know, all of a sudden, you know, I remember the first time I smoked, the next day I didn't go to work on Monday. It was one of the few jobs I had in my life as a kid. And God, I felt so fucking guilty. I couldn't figure it out. Why am I...

3:36:06SpeakerWhy do I feel bad on Monday, you know? And why do I feel like I didn't go do something? And I finally realized, man, this is conditioning. And I felt it and I'm getting over it. And televisions, they call it, hey, what's the programming? That's kind of a joke, isn't it? Because exactly what that fucking little box does is program you. Whatever they tell you on there, people buy into it.

3:36:32SpeakerYou see them reacting to it all the time. Instead, we should use television as a teaching tool. And that's something else. If we were organized properly, we could have big centers where people could come in and sit down and watch presentations and talk about it and smoke. And once it proliferated around, maybe we wouldn't be interested in war anymore. And I think... It's pretty useless.

3:37:00BubblemanThat's like the opposite of what we have right now. People go together and drink mad beer and go to like sporting events.

3:37:07SpeakerOr fight each other in the alley.

3:37:11BubblemanOr fight each other, yeah. Yeah, that usually happens after the mad beers. It is a strange society that we built ourselves, built on alcohol being the main sort of, Socially accepted substance that is used for people to engage. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan myself. Go ahead, Etienne.

3:37:32Etienne FontanIn the military, they would make you go together because you'd get drunk together. In case anything happened, you'd go get home together drunk. You know what I'm saying? So it's so indoctrinated. It's taught how to handle being inebriated all the time. John, it got so bad that when I was in the military that guys would get so smashed over the weekend and they would all sneak into the medic's office by 6 or 7 a.m. to get a quart put in them and then they'd be rehydrated and off they would go.

3:38:10Etienne FontanThat was such an accepted norm, it surprised the living hell out of me.

3:38:15SpeakerListen, all the Army bases have an enlisted man's club, an NCO club, and an officer's club for those very reasons. The booze is cheaper in those places than anywhere else.

3:38:25Etienne FontanIt's not taxed. There's no tax on it. It's usually within walking distance from your barracks, right?

3:38:32SpeakerYeah, but it's to keep everybody...

3:38:37TonyWhen I remember being in the Army...

3:38:39SpeakerBy the time I was 10, my dad had poured some gin and vodka in my throat and made me sick, and so I never even wanted to go anywhere near it. But everybody else in the fucking barracks when I was in basic training were complete sods. They were drunk every night, and the next day they all had fat heads and You know, I went in the Army at a time in 1964.

3:39:00SpeakerI think it was kind of a tough deal. We used to have to, every morning before we even got breakfast, we had to do 30 runs on an overhead ladder in front of the mess hall and run two miles before we did that. And now I think they're like, what would you like for breakfast? And, you know.

3:39:16Etienne FontanOh no, we always had to do PT before breakfast, stand at 5.30, do the running and all that, but yeah, that's back when I was in, I was still in the World War II barracks and those were destroying, as soon as I was getting done, now they're going with these places called Hollywood, which are very coddled, they now have the no yell basic training now, which I can't believe, you know, it's just different.

3:39:38Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, yeah.

3:39:39SpeakerExactly. I went to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, and in the half of the summer, you're so fucking hot, you can sit in front of a fan and sweat naked. In the winter, all we had was these coal-fired World War II barracks, and somebody had to watch at night, and someone had to go down and shovel the coal in order to keep everybody... And you'd wake up in the morning, and you'd have two big black circles around your nostrils.

3:40:04SpeakerAnd yeah, I don't know if they do that anymore. Now they're like, you know, thermostat and are you comfortable and all that.

3:40:15Etienne FontanYeah, it's a different thing, but you know, that's the industrial military complex, and I don't see how that thing gets dismantled so easily. I know we talk about it so willingly, but if you actually look at the budget and the control and the lobby and all the new toys... It's the weapons, guys. Absolutely, it's the brand new weapons. I mean, even when I, in my war, I got to play with new weapons that I had never seen before.

3:40:36Etienne FontanThat they whipped out all these things that they were ungodly expensive. I could not imagine the actual cost of these were called copperhead rounds but actually had a glass on the front which was an actual lens on the front and they would have somebody in the forward ops that would sit there with a gun with a laser on the end and where it would point that laser that artillery piece would adjust to after traveling 12 some odd miles and go right in and put steel on steel.

3:41:03SpeakerYeah, you painted it with a laser. They had a little bit of that kind of thing going on in Vietnam. But the most vicious, I once sat up in a Quad 50, my friend let me, in a free fire zone on the thing, and I pulled the trigger for probably microseconds. Because the response from that fucking Quad 50 going off scared the living dog shit out of me.

3:41:28SpeakerI didn't know what was going on.

3:41:29Etienne FontanHow could it not rattle your entire world? I stole one of those from the Iraqis. It was a Russian one. I ended up going through a minefield for it. I was an acquisition specialist, so whenever a water buffalo or anything, my commanding officer would be like, Fontan, we need you to find us something. So that was my specialty, was to acquire what was ever needed. And so out of that, I ended up finding a...

3:41:59Etienne FontanA quad machine gun in the middle of what turned out to be a minefield. I didn't realize until after the demo. I was like, you didn't go in that field, did you? I'm like, no, I wouldn't go in that field. I'm like, oh, good, because it's completely mined to hell. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm not smart.

3:42:14SpeakerHave you ever tried to eat water buffalo? No. Oh, yeah, okay. I did it. No, it's impossible. I mean, my friend had buck knives in Vietnam. They shot a war buffalo. He's like, let's cut some steaks off this motherfucking thing. I am sick and tired of sea rations. Oh, sea rats, yeah. You couldn't. He managed to cut a couple of steaks off, and they cooked them. But, I mean, the best application I could come up with was tie it to the bottom of your shoe, and it makes your shoes quiet at night when you walk, because you could not eat that shit.

3:42:47SpeakerI mean, no one has that kind of teeth.

3:42:52Etienne FontanWe had some guys snap. We had camels out there, so somebody blew up a camel with a .203 grenade launcher, and they ended up being sent back to the States.

3:43:02SpeakerCamels, good. Camel's good. I was in the market in Bangalore and I saw four camel feet standing behind this curtain and I wanted to see the fucking camel and I walked around the other side and it was just the legs and the feet and they had the rest of it hanging on hooks there.

3:43:19TonyJesus.

3:43:21SpeakerIt's not a bad flavor though.

3:43:23TonyOh, you guys are killing me.

3:43:27BubblemanIt tastes like lamb. It kind of tastes like lamb, you know. Man, all the animals on Animal Church are like, we need to start a union, these motherfuckers are eating us at accelerated rates, they don't respect us.

3:43:40SpeakerDude, that was 30 years ago. I mean, 30 years ago, it was a whole different scenario. I didn't eat, after that, I didn't eat meat for 38 years. Okay? So, to all you vegetarians out there who might be listening, cut me some slack. I don't kill animals anymore. I'm a bean eater now.

3:44:01Etienne FontanYou just kill vegetables by the thousands.

3:44:03BubblemanThose poor vegetables.

3:44:06SpeakerLook, in the base thing, we're all made of electrons spinning around. We made these bodies dense so that we could learn what it's like to have bad expectations and all this stuff.

3:44:17BubblemanWell, who would have thought where raspberry flavoring came from?

3:44:23SpeakerYou know, the behind of a beaver, obviously.

3:44:26BubblemanAnd on that note, on that note right there, I would like to thank everyone for coming in to Hash Church 102 today. D420K, Etienne, Skunkman Sam, Indra, Mark Scaldone, Todd McCormick, and of course all those that came and left, Johnny B and Tony V. Thank you guys. Episode 102 is in the bag and I think it's time to dab off camera for the rest of the day.

3:44:57BubblemanHave a good one everybody. Thanks for watching and thanks for coming on and being on the panel as always guys.

3:45:04SpeakerBye everybody. Thank you. Nice meeting you guys again.