Hash Church 420 Special: Vaporizers and Terpenes

0:01BubblemanHello everybody and welcome to Hash Church episode 82. If you can imagine, we are at 82 weeks of doing Hash Church every single week. Not a single episode missed, not even on the episode where I flew into Toronto, drove through a snowstorm with my Rasta friends from Jamaica, and still made it. Although only for 17 minutes, we still did make it, so... We're going to continue on.

0:29BubblemanWe're going to continue pumping it out here on Hash Church and we're just glad that you guys are also eager to pop in. We've got already 200 people in the first minute and that's just fucking awesome. So I'm going to go out and send the links out to our regulars here. Let's see if we can't get Mr. Scaldone in there. Excellent, excellent. And yeah, looking forward to a nice Hash Church today.

0:54BubblemanI guess it's kind of a 420 episode of Hash Church today. We've got 420 coming up just around the corner actually. I believe it's on Wednesday. So we are the 17th today, which I think in Vancouver Snoop Dogg's having a concert tonight and some sort of a pre-420 event. You're in Vancouver. You can go check that out and see how enjoyable it is. And no matter what city you're in, I'm pretty darn sure.

1:22BubblemanHey, welcome, Etienne. Good morning, sir. I'm pretty sure no matter what city people are in, there's going to be some type of a 420 celebration, even if worst case scenario, it's in your friend's basement while his mom is upstairs making lunch and you guys aren't allowed to puff, but you're puffing anyway. But you're burning incense at such an accelerated rate that you think your mom or his mom isn't smelling the incense.

1:45BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today. We're going to be talking about the Smokers Bowl.

1:49Etienne FontanWe're going to be talking about the Smokers Bowl.

1:52BubblemanWe're going to be talking about the Smokers Bowl.

2:13SpeakerI just want to say good morning and I'm going to get to work here.

2:17BubblemanWell, welcome. I would only ask you, beg you, please, while you're squishing to have your mic on mute just for the parchment paper sounds. We definitely want to see the beautiful oil, but definitely mute while you're squishing. Welcome. Oh, I was just about to welcome Mr. Scaldone into the room, but he is also gone. Nice DNA shirt. Thank you very much, sir. Rocking it out.

2:40Etienne FontanI'm rocking the Bill Hicks quote today. I love Bill. Bill was the man. It's just a ride. It's just a ride. Hi, Sam. Hey, congratulations to Victoria, Australia, to become the first state in Australia to legalize medical marijuana. I just got the IACM news this morning, which is pretty big, as well as Pennsylvania. Another big victory this week is Lynette Shaw won her Appeal against the federal government here in the United States, which had an injunction shutting down her medical cannabis dispensary that had opened in 1997.

3:14Etienne FontanSo what this really means is she'll be able to reopen. It was basically the United States government. It was decided because of their new Rohrabacher-Vorhabacher amendment. That no states, the federal government can't spend money in states where legal cannabis is happening and so that was the ruling decided by the judge. Now this could affect many cases including Berkeley Patients Group case as well as Harborside's case. It could mean for further dismissals.

3:47Etienne FontanWe don't know but we're still going around and of course as well there's the Hi Time's Cannabis Cup going down in L.A. and various events going all around the United States and Canada, as you were saying, currently. Morning, Sam. Morning. Morning, Mark.

4:05BubblemanMorning, Kymera.

4:06SpeakerMorning, Kyle.

4:06BubblemanHow are you doing?

4:07SpeakerMorning, everybody. Good morning, Sam. Morning, Sam.

4:11BubblemanI like that someone wrote, Sam is looking particularly sassy this morning.

4:16SpeakerMorning, all.

4:20BubblemanWow, that's some early churchage for Tony. This has got to be the earliest Tony's come into church in a long time.

4:28Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd for Ryan, too. Oh, and he's cognitive.

4:31BubblemanHe's not even at home. He's like at work.

4:35SpeakerNo, I'm actually getting ready to drive down to San Bernardino. I said I wasn't going to go, but decided to drive down the coast.

4:48BubblemanAll the way? All the way? Oh yeah, it's the cup today, isn't it? For the next three days or something?

4:54SpeakerThis is the last day.

4:55BubblemanOh, it's the last. And was it one day?

4:59SpeakerNo, it was Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I just decided to come for the last day.

5:05BubblemanExcellent. Well, you'll have to let us know how it goes. Yeah.

5:09SpeakerCan you guys see my video or no?

5:12BubblemanYou just cut out, but I could see you before you were in a room with yellow walls. I could see the cup on the shelf behind you.

5:19SpeakerNow I can see the picture.

5:20BubblemanOh, there you are again.

5:21SpeakerOkay, it only shows me like an old picture that I posted up.

5:27BubblemanYeah, it's probably because you're on the phone, but we can see you now.

5:31SpeakerWell, I've got, I'll be quick today a little bit, but I've got some, can you see this? I can see that. And this little dropper? Yes. Ninja Dabs, my friend, Ninja Dabs. Everybody asked me what Ninja Dabs was. I was like, you know, get in there, no tools, no residual, in and out without a trace.

5:58BubblemanIn and out without a trace. I'll tell you, the Ninja Dab that I got one day, I went over to the West Coast Concentrate guy's house, and I did not look inside his dabber, but in his dabber he had like a big chunk of hash sitting in there. So I took a dab and then I grabbed the dabber and I put it down on the nail and I was just like, what the fuck?

6:18BubblemanI'm trying to clear this hit and it was just completely ridiculous. It was by far the best ninja dab I'd ever been ninja'd.

6:32SpeakerYeah, there's a, somebody tried to tell me that they thought this was too much terps. I said, there's no such thing as too much terps. So, no tool. This is how liquid it is.

6:45BubblemanAnd what is that, rosin turps?

6:47SpeakerYeah, so this is the Cheese Bomb Never Touch that I crunched out. And I got a couple grams of that, maybe a little more. And then there's like about a little over two mils of the Jack Frost turps. So that's like, oh, I don't know, like...

7:09Speaker80 to 100 drops to 2 grams.

7:15Bubbleman80?

7:17SpeakerYeah, 80. Holy shit. Yeah, but let me tell you, man. Little drop, little drop on this thing. One drop. It's like basically 600 milliliters in the vial. Or milligrams.

7:43BubblemanThat's over the top. For the people that were getting upset when we were dabbing a quarter drop at a time and saying that terpenes are too caustic at that level, you're going to have a field day with this one. 80 to 100 drops. I also do believe the...

8:09SpeakerI know, you've got to try it yourself, you know, and it depends on the terpenes and how you're doing it, if it's caustic or not, you know. Tony, I've always believed that less was more with terpenes, but you've turned it on its head. Now what you're doing is you're basically adding a tiny bit of rosin with your terps. Well, it's two and a half grams, so you're talking 1,500 milligrams of THC.

8:39BubblemanBut I have your drops of Terps.

8:42SpeakerYeah. I just did a drop of the Afgui Terps. Wow. All right. Well, I guess. Think about this, Mark. You know how I am. I like to show up and share. This time there's no booth or anything, so how do you dab out everyone you know at the cup?

9:02BubblemanYep.

9:03SpeakerRight here. That's definitely. That's how you do it.

9:06BubblemanYep. Agreed, agreed.

9:08SpeakerThat's definitely. It's all in one. It's the, it's the blue, it's the, uh, it's all in one. It's Blue River and Bubble Man in one vial. Got us all viled up, eh? Oh yeah. It's so tasty, it's ridiculous.

9:23BubblemanHey, welcome Todd McCormick into the room. I've just seen you sneak in there.

9:29SpeakerThere he is.

9:32SpeakerHe doesn't have much to say early in the morning, huh? I've never been on church this early.

9:36BubblemanHe rolls his joint. He lights it up with his little torch. He gets a couple of puffs in there. It's his morning coffee. Yeah, he's got his morning coffee. Ten, fifteen minutes later, someone will say something, and you'll see his eye kind of like... His eye will twitch, and all of a sudden he'll go, all right, listen.

9:53Etienne FontanAnd then, boom, knowledge.

9:54BubblemanThe mute button will unmute, and it'll just be...

10:00SpeakerSo I'm not a morning person, and we can see that Todd, I get it. Now, we see Todd's morning routine. He still gets up. He goes through his morning routine. I just sleep it away and then try to come on. John looks very vibrant. He's a morning person. So is Camaria. He's a morning person. You're a morning person. At the end of morning person, here comes Mark.

10:27SpeakerYep, he's got his coffee. Is that a Michigan mug? All I can say about that is pure mornings, man.

10:34Dr Mark ScialdoneActually.

10:35SpeakerSonas are meant to sleep till noon.

10:37Dr Mark ScialdoneMorning.

10:38SpeakerWhatever happened to sleeping till noon? Staying up all night. Whatever happened, Mark? Children. Morning, Kate, and having children. Children. Conjuring us up on Sunday mornings to talk about the same shit we talk about all week long. Todd, marijuana farmers get up before the sun. Yeah. Not the indoor ones, Dave. Not the indoor ones.

11:03BubblemanThose are marijuana growers. He's talking about marijuana farmers.

11:07SpeakerYeah, we're farming indoors too, guys. Hate to break it to you. It's 5 a.m., so.

11:16BubblemanFarmers and growers. Growers and farmers.

11:19SpeakerYeah, there's not enough hours in the day to get it all done sometimes, so.

11:23Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's afternoon on the East Coast.

11:25SpeakerHell yeah, it is.

11:28Dr Mark ScialdoneHold on, that makes me feel great.

11:29SpeakerYou're three hours ahead. That's a big advantage. That's a big advantage to the East Toasters. Three hours. I mean, you get a whole morning to do something.

11:40Etienne FontanTrust us, Tony. We've been aware of it for a while. Welcome to morning.

11:45SpeakerI would be so much more on time if we were starting in October. I'm surprised that you're not moving to New York, Tony.

11:52BubblemanGive it time. Give it time.

11:54SpeakerJust so I can get on Hash Church later? Yeah. It did throw me for a good nine months when I moved to California from Colorado. I kept getting up an hour later for Hashtag because my phone was programd. So I got a new phone and I programd Hashtag right in the right time.

12:14Etienne FontanSo how is that tool there, Bubble Man? I've seen your review of it, but of course not everybody here has seen it. So what is it you're using and what do you think of it?

12:27BubblemanWell, this is the vapex hail that Tony shared on Hash Church a few months ago, maybe seven weeks ago, I can't remember. And it's a pretty cool little unit, I've got to say. I guess originally it was just like a little unit similar to the vapier and the volcano models that are this sort of unit that the heat goes up through. This is not forced air. You're pulling.

12:50BubblemanThere's a hole right in the bottom, so when you pull, you're pulling the air from the bottom. It's why a lot of these units whistle.

13:00BubblemanGet a good whistle going on that. You load up these little cartridges. They're quartz nails. They've got a slot inside of them. I've got a little video that I did with Brett from West Coast Concentrate. But mostly we hit pure terps. And the thing I was most excited about this was to actually hit terpenes pure. And for whatever reason, and I've already even thought about telling this to some nail companies.

13:21BubblemanMaybe they're watching. The concept of dropping the quartz into the chamber and allowing the heat to heat up the way it's heating up as opposed to say dropping on a hot surface like onto a nail, there's truly something to be said for it and it has obviously everything to do with the way the terpenes react to the heat. When you put this little guy in and it's cold and you drop it into the heat, the terpenes seem to have this ability to Thank you for watching.

14:20BubblemanI don't know where they get them blown, but it does not seem like an inexpensive Chinese glass pipe. It seems like something that a North American glass blower produced. Really high end. It's got the little bottom piece that fits right over top. Yeah, I mean, so far it's been pretty cool. I did a review on it as a noob, meaning I had never used it before. Obviously the one that Tony brought to Spain that we were going to use got muckled up based on our own stupidity, but...

14:47BubblemanYeah, I did a review as a total noob, and it came out pretty good. I'm going to use it for a couple of months and, you know, find out the cons and the pros, and then share it.

14:57Etienne FontanWhat cons are you aware of at this time, or of any?

15:00BubblemanThe whistle. Yeah, well, the whistle's not a major con to me. It was a major one for Sam.

15:05Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's fucking cool, man. Fuck it. A bong that makes music? That's fucking beautiful, dude. Maybe put out the time and sing, though.

15:15SpeakerThere was a time in Spain where we were smoking and we were by a window and Sam was like, man, this thing's awesome, this is great, except it will blow the whistle on you. And we looked at each other and we started laughing because it's like, what kind of a bong blows the whistle on you? Literally it's like... Everywhere you turn around and people are looking at you.

15:38SpeakerSo... But that one, that one that we had in Spain was exceptionally loud and blowing the whistle.

15:45Etienne FontanRight. I like that people are saying it's a dab flute.

15:49SpeakerIt's a dab flute. I like mine. Servio gave me one almost a year ago, and I've enjoyed the hell out of it. It tastes so good, especially with the cleanest of clean. Yeah, it's clean for sure.

16:00BubblemanI think that one way it could be mildly improved is if these weren't so small. Thank you for watching.

16:20BubblemanI think that would be pretty killer. And then also, cut a little window into the side of the unit. Because today, with the way people share and the way they puff, it's not just about sharing and passing a joint anymore. It's about showing people your melt factor. Watching it bubble and boil and drip. And people love that. They love watching their oil just explode into a nice big quartz banger or their bubble hash bubbling and melting.

16:46BubblemanIt's a part of... The experience that I would say is not going away. It's not a fad. It's part of it. And so make it visible for people. I also think that D-Nail should come up with something where you've got a unit like this. You've got a big quartz tube that this heats up. And then you have nails like the Vapex Hail that slide right in. There's really something to be said for the way that heat hits those terpenes and cannabinoids.

17:17BubblemanIt's... I wouldn't choose it over anything else all the time, but it is a beautiful addition to my quiver.

17:26Etienne FontanBecause of the way that it evaporates, I guess it would be the most logical since it's a slow evaporation of those terpenes, so everything else would be a flash. That means what we got. I mean, I noticed when Tony gave me a dab of the terpenes that was 100 degrees higher, totally different taste, flavor, and effect than 100 degrees lower altogether. So there's something to be said for temperature factor with terpenes in activation, or at least onset activation.

17:54BubblemanAnd not only temperature activation, but the actual... Material that it's evaporating off of because the sapphire to me is untouchable. I love sapphire. Maybe these guys will do sapphire inserts one day. Quartz is enjoyable. Silicon carbide, ceramic, titanium, they're all different surfaces and it doesn't take much to do some bioassaying with three or four nails all hooked up to different pipes to different denails all set at the exact same temperature hitting the same things Pretty much any connoisseur and maybe even not a connoisseur could tell these differences because they're not so subtle.

18:32BubblemanThey're substantial.

18:35SpeakerYeah, it's got a better taste and it also, I think, produces a slightly higher volume of vapor.

18:45BubblemanTrue. I just took the tiniest, tiniest little bit of water in my mouth for the first time and I remember how enjoyable it is when you're vaporizing and not burning because, man, taking bong water in your mouth back in the day, that was like the worst thing possible.

19:02Etienne FontanNo way to get that out of your mouth either. I mean, the flavor just lingers. That's the worst.

19:07SpeakerLinger. That was like definitely, I would say...

19:13SpeakerIn the 90s, late 90s, was the, I remember moments where you would get like bomb water in your fucking mouth. Or you would spill it. Like that was the second worst thing. One was getting it in your mouth.

19:29BubblemanOn your bed. On your bed. Because you're a kid and you have nowhere else to puff but in your fucking room. You don't have a couch in your room because you're a fucking kid.

19:39Etienne FontanYou can't get that smell out either. I don't care if Febreze, whatever, it stinks. That's a mattress flipper.

19:45SpeakerIf you're a kid, there's one thing worse. That is a mattress flipper. You put it on your mom and dad's bed. How do you do that on your mom and dad's bed? No, I never did, but similar things.

20:01BubblemanDamn, I'll tell you. Yeah, you do not want to pour the bong. Out on your bed. Well, you know what? Times have changed. Even in my bong that I puff with the D-Nail, the Dabinator, I find that the water never gets funky the way, obviously, not even like one-tenth of what burning herb or hash turns water into.

20:23Dr Mark ScialdoneWe pimped out an RA's room. You know, an RA is a resident assistant at the dorm, and this guy got some kids down the hall from me in trouble for smoking weed. In the dorm. And so what we did is we tilted up a container full of bong water next to his door and knocked on his door and so when he opened the door, that bong water just spilled on his nice Penn State carpet and totally soaked it with bong water so it was a nice little bong water pimp out for the RA who ratted on some friends of mine.

20:55BubblemanAnd can you confirm the color of the plastic bong that was used and was it a Chills or was it...

21:02Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was 1981, man. It was a long time ago.

21:06BubblemanOh, it might have been pre-plastic bongs. Yeah, I was going to say.

21:10Dr Mark ScialdoneIt was a little blue plastic bong now that you mentioned.

21:15SpeakerYeah, it only had three colors then. It was like blue, green, and then like almost clear.

21:22BubblemanAnd they're like, how can we make this plastic bong worse? And the guy sitting at the table at the end was like, I'm thinking an aluminum bowl and downstem.

21:31SpeakerFuck! Yeah, they had that. They definitely had the aluminum balls, for sure.

21:41BubblemanYeah, and I'm thinking not the good aluminum. It was the kind you could like scratch with your fucking nail.

21:48SpeakerOh yeah, it was like aluminum coated.

21:50Etienne FontanYeah, at best. I mean, that stuff had to be toxic as shit because there was no thought at all. I mean, the seal was the cheapest rubber, you know, grommet possible. The funny one was that little rubber piece that went around the top of the bong that stayed for a minute and then disappeared and then what the fuck happened to it?

22:11SpeakerYeah. Well, and then you remember they had, there was a time And I don't even know if it's rumor, I mean, but it was like at a time it was like somehow I remember as we were like early on smoking those bongs, something happened and it was like Jerome Baker and some other people started popping up, Bob Snodgrass, and there was like glass pipes that started to hit the market, they were expensive, but what happened was it was like the selling pitch was really simple.

22:42SpeakerOh man, you're using aluminum bowls? Yeah, it causes Alzheimer's. And then everybody was like, oh yeah, aluminum, Alzheimer's, fuck yeah. And then it was just gone, bro. Like that was the selling pitch. And then they took a drink out of their Coca-Cola and lamented. Yeah.

23:01BubblemanWe thought those aluminum bowls were a step up from smoking out of Coke cans and then probably later on we figured out they were just recycled Coke cans.

23:11SpeakerYeah.

23:13Etienne FontanNothing worse than being reduced to just the Coke can and then trying to figure out how to carve it just right. You can't make the hole too big. Otherwise, oh shit, I need another can.

23:23BubblemanI'm not sure high school would have been high school without... You know, we only did it in grade 10 at the beginning. I graduated very quickly in the puffing world. I got a Volkswagen van with a stove and I would park in the teacher's parking, literally right in the corner where the opening of the, where you could get out of the school field. And we'd sit there with hot knives on the stove with hash hits all lined out.

23:48BubblemanAnd people could come by and just be like, lift up the curtain and be like, take a rip. Ooh, see you later. Like we sat there for hours every day just puffing tough.

23:59SpeakerOne of the most nicest pipes I saw out of glass, an artistic pipe, was at the melting point and it was a Coca-Cola can made out of glass. You know what, that's awesome. Just like the Coca-Cola can can be bent to use to smoke ash.

24:17BubblemanThat's amazing that you saw that, Sam. I really didn't know that that was there when you guys were there.

24:24SpeakerThat was too cool.

24:25BubblemanYeah, that was Brian Ratcliffe who did that. He goes by Rat Dog and Cool Liquid, a couple other names online. He had, if you remember as well, and you will remember, I guarantee you when I say it, he had another series of pipes that was right. Now, one thing Sam didn't mention, and I'll try to find the picture and put it in the Hash Church group, it was a perfect Coca-Cola can that was like scrunched up, but it was glass.

24:51BubblemanAnd he put it on a piece of grass, sod, with a little bit of chain link fence in the background because he was like, I want it to look like it did in high school after we were done with it and we threw it down beside the fence because they would go back and use it or whatnot. So it was on grass with chain link fence going up behind it with a broken, you know, the crunched up coke can.

25:16BubblemanBut next to that he had a bowl, a glass bowl that he made, Thank you for watching.

25:36BubblemanYou know, to this day, one of the sickest glass-on-glass vaporizers. That wand is a simple soldering iron, and what he did was he created a double-sleeved glass piece that fit over it that he was able to... He created this at the melting point, in fact. Him and his brother, based on some concepts and ideas... I knew how powerful that thing was when Mark McCoy from Vrip Tech, for those of you that don't know Mark McCoy, he came up with the Vrip Tech, you need a Vrip, and that was the big heat gun, the Steinel heat gun, that he would blow heated air with the ceramic core into the bowl, and you'd get these crazy vapor rips.

26:14BubblemanLike really, he called them Vrips, and I think it's pretty accurate because they're not just like taking a normal vapor rip, they're like, they're shoved down your throat.

26:23Etienne FontanThat was a two-piece system, and that was a great system. It introduced a lot of patients. It was a standard bong piece that could fit on any standard bong. And super quality. Exactly. I mean, it was high quality. I used to roll to parties when I was living in Los Angeles and just Thank you so much for joining us.

27:05BubblemanAnd it's also the way we created, that thing fits in, I have one in my drawer here as well. It goes into a bowl, it's at a certain temperature and it just gives the most impeccable tasting vapor hits that you could ever imagine. The cool thing about it was it was so much smaller and silent that it blew the heat gun away. Like it just, the heat gun was like, okay, put that away forever.

27:25BubblemanThat's a power tool and I don't need to be carrying that around with me. But it was just a small little wand that you could fit into a pipe, and then I had that same glass blower blow a pipe that was welded together, two pipes. One of them fit that vapor wand, and one of them fit a stainless steel screen that you could hit with a match or a beeline.

27:46BubblemanSo I would take these rips, a perfectly vaporized Rene, with bubbling 73 micron Rene hash simultaneously. And they only mixed at the mouthpiece, meaning they didn't touch one another, their vapor or their smoke, in the pipe. You got them both in your mouth and you could feel the mixing in your mouth. If anyone's listening out there, it's still, in my opinion, an incredible idea that has never been maximized or used.

28:16BubblemanNo one's ever thought to run with it. It's simple. Weld two pipes together that are nice bubblers that give you a vapor wand hit and a full melt bubble hit. Man, I'm telling you, that's a winning hit. How many have ever done it? The pure vapor rip with the pure full melt or oil dab. I'm telling you, it's worth it.

28:39SpeakerYou could also run them at slightly different temperatures.

28:43BubblemanYeah. Well, they are for sure because I was still puffing like you were puffing back then, Sam. So I was using like a match, puffing the hash, burning it, but the vaporizer was like a very nice light, you know, 380, 400 degree temp where I was just getting really nice taste rips.

29:02SpeakerYeah, I was using that particular heat gun with what they call the vape lock from Illusion Glass in Denver. They had a glass cylinder with a glass, like, you know, 100 holes in a glass kind of screen. And I remember putting, like, you know, loading with some flowers, loading it with some, Full melt and different things and it was like literally anyone that tried it was like that is the tastiest hit.

29:31SpeakerSo if I ever have like a house party, you'll see me like pull that whole apparatus out. It's like super intense and it usually intimidates people when you have like a big rig, you have this big digital gun, you got everything plugged in and people are like, whoa, dude, I just want to get a puff. Like I thought we'd smoke a joint or something. I'm like, no, no, no.

29:50SpeakerNo, no, no. We're going deep. Yeah.

29:53Etienne FontanIt goes back to remember Wild Bill used to have that big huge glass bong and that huge bowl and then just wreck everyone at the Cannabis Cup. Where did he keep that thing when he was not at the Cannabis Cup? Because I know he was doing that all the time. Cannabis College.

30:11SpeakerThe big one? Cannabis College. He ran it at both Cincy Seeds and Cannabis College sometimes.

30:20BubblemanI think back in 95 or 96 though, didn't he have it at Lucky Mothers or something for, or maybe that was just during the Cup?

30:29Etienne FontanI miss him. He was a great spirit.

30:32BubblemanGood vaporizer. He definitely was like the OG vaporizer, only because, I mean the real OG vaporizer was my friend Red, this Rasta elder who still lives in Negril. He had been vaporizing since he was young. Showed me the unit and told me that it was from Africa. And it was the steam pipe. And I'll tell you, I don't know of any vaporizer that goes back.

30:59SpeakerYou think the first vaporizer steam pipe was from Africa rather than Jamaican? I thought it was Jamaican, but I don't really know. The first electric one was maybe 83, 84 in Santa Cruz, California by Jack Card. And I bet you it was based on a steam pipe. Yeah, it was, because I knew about Jamaican steam pipes, and I'd even tried them, but I wanted it without the coals.

31:31BubblemanI didn't personally think it was from Africa, but I'm not like my friend, he's in his 80s, he told me that it was, so I'm just like, okay, that's fine. I believe more of the ganja culture came from indentured slaves from India, and Just my own personal opinion from the historical context.

31:48SpeakerThere definitely seems to be a hybrid when you're talking about the steam pipes that we use because if you think about it, the ones I saw were basically coconut shells that were created their steamed ash, you know? And then the ones I think that you might, maybe you've seen, maybe in Africa they had like coal. I don't, or there was a different thing because it looked like, it looked like India, it looked like concept of what you just said, India and Africa came together in Jamaica and it created a unique device.

32:26SpeakerI didn't know if it was earlier than that, but the one with the coconut and the bamboo with the whole, the whole setup that we saw, I thought it was Jamaican, but I could, I mean, I don't know.

32:39BubblemanWell, I did an article on it about 20 years ago, maybe a little less, and my friend read this Rasta Elder. He created it. I took all the photos. He showed me the whole process. It was an older school version, not as nice as the ones you were seeing in Kingston and also at the Negril Cup. Those are like nice coochies that are clay and like formed.

33:02BubblemanWhat he was doing was he'd create a bamboo bong, With a big bowl and a down stem, he'd seal it all with candle wax, which was an important factor. He let me know later that most people don't do, but where he learned from got passed on the right knowledge. And then he took like an old piece of metal, like a little piece of metal. It could be like a lid for something, you know, and he'd fire it so it was just clean.

33:28BubblemanAnd then he would poke holes through it with a nail, and then that would be his pan, his dish, and that would sit on top of this big bamboo bowl. Right on top it would sit. And then he created tongs with a piece of bamboo. He broke it and created tongs. And then he would burn the coconut husks because they burn clean. There's like nothing, no taste, no smoke.

33:52Dr Mark ScialdoneNothing.

33:53BubblemanThey're the cleanest fucking source that you could ever imagine. It's kind of incredible, actually. First time I saw it, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not going to suck that shit. It's going to be fucking brutal. And he was like, you won't taste it. And I'm like, dude, I have a super sensitive palate. I'm for sure going to taste it. And then I hit it, and I was like, whoa, I didn't taste it.

34:15BubblemanSo learn something every day. Listen to your gut.

34:20SpeakerThe first time we talked about that story, the first time I'd seen that was when you unfortunately didn't come to that party with us. And I pressed out almost a gram in a perfect patty. And I met the guy that was making those. And he said the same thing to me. No, it's clean. It's clean, man. He was talking about the husks and everything. I said, oh, okay.

34:41SpeakerWell, if it's clean, then you should be able to taste this. And that's when I dropped that patty right on top.

34:48BubblemanThat was Kevin, not Caleb. Caleb makes them. Okay, just to give a backstory to what Tony's saying. This is like 12 o'clock at night to 1 a.m. downtown Kingston, Jamaica. We're hanging out with Kiddus and maybe the Nomads, and we're at Dubwise, which is Yardcore. He's the selector. He's got great music. He plays music, and then he also has really great, well-known artists. Sing and say things over the mic, so type of live poetry and live emceeing.

35:21BubblemanReally fucking awesome. And Tony's in the back at the steam chalice station. Trying to get a chalice, a steam piper to burn. That's why you had a hard time convincing that guy because he only, when you put it on top, he was probably a little freaked out at first.

35:43SpeakerYeah, he was totally freaked out. He was like, whoa! And he was like looking at it. But then what brought us together in this loud environment was, I'm not kidding you, bro. There was like as if you take one of those old school little rings when you make bubbles as a kid and you come out and you go real slow and you make a big bubble. This thing went, and it bubbled up, clear dome.

36:07SpeakerAnd he saw that. And as soon as he saw that, He knew exactly what that meant. And he went, and he started taking monster rips. And let me tell you, bro, I could feel that hit through his entire body. He was like, and he like hung on to me with all his might on his shoulder. And it was like, it hit him so strong. And I thought maybe it was harsh.

36:31SpeakerAnd I go, are you okay? And he says, yeah, man. And he handed it to me right away. As if, like, this stuff's so good, you don't want to miss one second of this.

36:43BubblemanYou should also give a small rundown on the pipe that Tony's talking about is about three feet long. It's got a huge bamboo mouthpiece. Like, you can't, I don't think you can light it yourself or, like, put anything in it. Well, there is no lighting it. It's fired up. So that's the pipe that Tony's talking about. It gives a wallop. Not quite an Afghani Hubble bubble pipe, but I'll tell you, those steam pipes with that red... Those were the two moments in my life that my bell was rung.

37:14SpeakerWhen I truly heard the ring, the ringing in my ears, like... That was that particular moment, and the other one was at Legends on that other Hubbly Bubbly.

37:26BubblemanYeah, I agree. And you know, it's interesting because the steam pipe A is much smaller than the hubbly bubbly. Like the chamber of those bubblies can be like what I would consider, what would you say, Sam, like a gallon or more?

37:44BubblemanNot around, but I would say at least a gallon. I'd say a gallon. Thank you so much for joining us.

38:14SpeakerLike direct inject where the bubbly was like you had to pull like six hits and it was a good gallon of air. Like everything you had and then blow it out and then you did it again and then by the sixth time like I mean. My bell was rung. I couldn't. I mean, that's the highest I've ever been in my life.

38:35BubblemanWell, I think it would be safe to say that if anyone watching or listening wants to go to an impeccable place to have an amazing session, I'd say that Kingston, whether it's the Dub Club up on the hill or Dub Wise, which happens at a few different places, would probably be one of my favorite places to puff.

38:57BubblemanIt's not said lightly. I truly, I've never really thought of that before until just now. But it really would have to be one of my favorite places to puff. There's amazing juices and food and just like great people and the music is awesome and the vibes and the temperature and I don't know, it's just all pretty good.

39:16SpeakerI agree. It's a good box. Absolutely.

39:28Bubbleman33 people watching live, live and direct in the first 39 minutes of Hash Church. That's pretty good. People getting up. I guess there's lots in Europe and other places as well. East Coast. You guys have it easy.

39:43SpeakerWell, I've squished five samples from this toker's bowl.

39:47BubblemanHow's it turning out, Johnny? You know what?

39:49SpeakerI'm having some fun here, guys. I'm actually squishing it, saving a little piece, putting it in there. I'm really enjoying it. The last squish is coming up pretty nice. They're all not too shabby, so I'm getting through this. It's nice to see.

40:05Etienne FontanHey, let's have some fun with our studio audience. Where are you guys watching from today? Where are you from? Yeah, where are you right now in the world, sitting here watching us getting high or not?

40:19Etienne FontanIt's always fun to see.

40:24BubblemanI just literally just asked a question. I guess I won't probably see the answer. I'm asking the question as I hear ATN ask the crew where they are. I'm like, oh shit, don't push enter, don't push enter. Yeah, enter.

40:49Etienne FontanAll over America and Canada.

40:52BubblemanAmerica's always well represented, there's no doubt about it. You guys got a fair chunk of people down there with your 300 plus milli.

41:04SpeakerAnd we got what, about 32 million up here in Canada? 35?

41:10BubblemanYeah, I mean, it's hard. Yeah, probably around there. 36 or 37 now. Jeez, all these people are having babies. That's what happens. New people just keep popping up.

41:21SpeakerAll of Canada is so appealing that you have less people than all of California.

41:27BubblemanNot that it's so appealing. It's that it's kept empty purposefully by wealthy Chinese so they can have the water and the air.

41:39SpeakerI actually bleed you for two seconds.

41:42BubblemanNo, it's just a funny thing. There's all these people. This is our, like, you know how you have the weird, like, people are all, like, they're, like, mad at Mexicans even though they sustain your country by doing all the labor that they do, like, just probably in California?

41:54SpeakerIs that why you don't like Americans?

41:56BubblemanNo, I love all people.

41:58SpeakerI don't think of, like, Mark, you are a diplomat, sir. I was making a Canadian joke, eh? No jokes. Too early. No jokes. I'm back to be quiet.

42:08BubblemanWe had, I think they said 36,000 Chinese millionaires move here in the last, like, eight years or something, seven years. It's raised the housing prices and people are bummed out about it. I'm like, just earn more money.

42:22SpeakerHey, after global warming, Canada will be hugely popular.

42:27BubblemanYeah, we might get, like, maybe we'll even get too warm when Cali is like 150 degrees every day.

42:33SpeakerMoving on up, bro.

42:34BubblemanNot only that, we got lots of water, so...

42:37Etienne FontanYeah.

42:38BubblemanYou know what? I have faith in the youth. There's all these young people that are incredibly intelligent and they're coming out thinking outside the box on how to clean the ocean and how to clean air and how to do shit that a lot of people aren't even really thinking about.

42:51SpeakerReally, when you contemplate it, isn't it just to clean up after their parents? Yeah. That's all we're doing.

42:57BubblemanYeah.

42:58SpeakerFixing prohibition, fixing the environment. Thanks, pops. Y'all were brilliant. We'll probably leave our own mess.

43:06BubblemanI'm almost certain of it.

43:08SpeakerI think we're heading in a better direction though. You know, somebody was talking about, you know, zero pollution out of China and the fact that, you know, you have countries striving to get to a point where they're that, you know, environmentally responsible. I think it could be a great thing. Imagine what Manhattan will be like when it's all electric cars rolling around you and you can actually talk without screaming over a bus or a Harley.

43:31BubblemanDude, the last time I landed in Amsterdam and saw all the Teslas, like they got rid of all the gas Mercedes and it was all Teslas, I was like, holy cow, this is nice.

43:45SpeakerYeah, Europe is so much more advanced than we are here in North America. It is nice over there.

43:52BubblemanHey, we all have our moments, you know, we're all doing our things. I mean, in the meantime, the Chinese are learning how to 3D print cities.

44:03BubblemanIt's like, we're just going to 3D. I saw them 3D printing full buildings. Did you guys see that one? That was pretty impressive, I have to say. Like, that's some next level shit.

44:15Bubbleman3D printing buildings. Who's got their vacuum on?

44:21SpeakerOh, is that on my thing?

44:23BubblemanI don't know. If your vacuum's on, it is. Oh, yeah.

44:26Etienne FontanAnd if your mic's open, yes.

44:29BubblemanAny sounds that you can hear, we can hear. Jesus Christ.

44:33SpeakerWell, when they can start 3D printing seeds or clones, then I'm going to sit up and take the notice. Hey, wait a minute. Is that what Mother Nature's really doing? Yeah, we got a plant that does exactly that.

44:53BubblemanYeah. Well, if you read Eric K. Drexler's Radical Abundance, he talks about the nanotechnology aspect and how 3D printers are really very archaic compared to what we'll very soon be doing. It's basically like just creating reality with

45:10Etienne FontanWell, you saw the hemp one that came out the other week. There's an actual, you know, automatic hemp producer that you can make and sculpt, you know, hemp plastic.

45:19BubblemanI saw Noel Van Schyck posting about that. Was that Noel's thing or was he just posting about it?

45:25Etienne FontanI saw that you can actually buy those.

45:28BubblemanNice. Yeah, I don't know. I think for some reason that Noel is a part of it and that he's like, I think he's a part of that project for some reason. You can buy the little balls of hemp material that go Or that go into the machine and that it prints with. Yeah. It's definitely pretty cool shit. But definitely archaic compared to the nanotechnology version of 3D printing.

45:55BubblemanWhich is basically, I guess, what's going on here on our planet anyway right now. Some form of 3D reality based.

46:05Dr Mark ScialdoneWell they can use it. They can use it basically to do tissue engineering, which is really exciting because if you could spatially address the growth of biological tissue, you could essentially grow back limbs or do some kind of prosthetic work. I mean, it's really exciting.

46:23BubblemanNot even a prosthetic. Like, imagine to the point where you could produce a limb, your limb, the one that used to be there.

46:33SpeakerYeah, it's like... Like, figure out how lizards grow back their tails and program that into our DNA?

46:42Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, then, in the gross sense of it, the plant itself is a 3D printing machine, right? Because the plant is constantly growing new tissue and replicating itself in a way that it's creating, you know, certain cells that have certain function and other cells that have other functions. So it's basically a programd 3D printer in and of itself.

47:07Dr Mark ScialdoneWe kind of are too. Yeah, some of us are low on ink too.

47:15BubblemanSome of us are low on ink.

47:16Etienne FontanI still got plenty of ink. Some of us don't belong in the gene pool, that's for sure. Oh my goodness.

47:26BubblemanIt's quite something to look at your children, little trippy versions of you and your wife and all the people that came before you. Definitely trippy.

47:39SpeakerYou know you're high as fuck when you're sitting there contemplating humanity's wonders. Well, no. It's a good thing to meditate on. Humanity is awesome. Yes. I was crossing the Golden Gate Bridge the other day, and I was thinking, aren't humans neat? You know, I mean, it's like 300 feet deep at the Golden Gate Bridge, and to think they built this thing in like the 20s and 30s, it's unbelievable.

48:07SpeakerWhat they accomplished when you consider the tools they had at the time.

48:12BubblemanAnd was that bridge built like just by regular old Americans or was that like also migrant laborers that built that bridge?

48:21SpeakerI think aliens came down just painted it red. It was beautiful.

48:26BubblemanNo, I mean, I honestly don't even know.

48:27SpeakerLike, I'm not sure if that was too... A lot of people died building it, man. I mean, just the engineering alone. You know, I don't know who got up there and pounded the rivets in, but, I mean, the fact of the matter is, when you drive along the California coast, all those bridges came out of the Great Depression, because, you know, the federal government put all this money into infrastructure, and you can drive down the coast of this country...

48:50SpeakerAnd, you know, if you cross a hundred bridges in a hundred miles, it feels like it's all unbelievable. That you're just, the engineering is stupendous. I'm really glad that we came here when we did it.

49:06SpeakerRight after the Spanish.

49:07BubblemanRight after the Spanish.

49:12SpeakerYou know it? It's hard to deny that every town in Cali, you can see the impact. I mean, it's Los Angeles, San Diego, Los Altos, everything. All the names of all the towns are Spanish. Sacramento, like everything. Santa Cruz.

49:28Etienne FontanYeah, but they were different names before the Conquerors came along, so they stole it from someone.

49:33BubblemanSure. But those ones are still being used.

49:39Etienne FontanThey stuck. They have a bell on them going all the way up in Southern California, you know, every, what, mile or two miles or something like that, to signal the old trail that they used to do for the church back in the day, because that was all church-related and funded by, you know, back then.

50:02SpeakerYeah, I'm not as impressed with the churches as I am with the bridges. The bridges are really cool. I still use the bridges. The churches, not so much. Yeah. I agree. But the bridges are cool. The Spanish grew hemp in California like in 1810 or 1820 or something like that. You know what though, Sam, I've been trying to do is really drill this into the people's heads that they didn't just grow it.

50:32SpeakerYou know, they had to have it. I mean, I made the comment that the evolutionary... Cultural of humanity is relying on cannabis because, you know, was not paper very important to our evolution? Was not clothing? Was not the ship's ropes and the ship's sails and the paint and the varnishes that we all made out of cannabis hugely important to our evolution beyond almost any other measurable item on the planet you can point to?

51:02SpeakerLike, what else have we picked up, farmed, I mean, trees are great, but we've used them in a more limited way. I mean, cannabis, I believe, is more responsible for humanity's evolution than any other single item on the planet. Panel? Bamboo might be number two. Which one? I'm going to agree.

51:32BubblemanBamboo? I was thinking silica and mushrooms.

51:36SpeakerI was going to say corn. Corn is really important.

51:39BubblemanI'm going to go with mushrooms. Don't forget the evolution of the mind.

51:43SpeakerMycelium and look at how that grows and what it does.

51:48Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm for the mushroom.

51:49SpeakerWell, I'm not so much number two, guys. I'm really in a serious way. I mean, you know, cannabis, you can't say. I mean, aren't we all sitting here having a contemplative discussion? So it has shaped the mind much more or like mushrooms in a way because more people have got access to it than psilocybin. But that said, just look at normal items because when, you know, When Sam's saying that the Spanish missions grew hemp, which they absolutely did, I mean, what a lot of people don't really seem to get is that when Columbus landed here, he found tobacco and couldn't find cannabis.

52:21SpeakerCannabis was what was responsible for his sails, his ropes, his clothes, his paper, and if it wasn't for cannabis... He wouldn't have been able to build any of those things. We didn't have a fucking cotton gin for another 200, 300 years after Columbus arrived here. 1790s, we got a cotton gin. And even then, there's never been cotton sales. They were cannabis sales. Canvas was from cannabis. So I don't know.

52:48SpeakerI think cannabis really doesn't get credit for really the gift that it's given us in the terms of being able to evolve on this planet.

52:58Etienne FontanWell, what do you think we've been educating and doing all these different things for? I mean, it was why Jack created the Emperor Wears No Clothes. It's why, again, we know each other and have spread the knowledge, and it caused our own investigations to go further, because just from the anecdotals, we then found realities, then playing with the hemp, then we started to see all kinds of things.

53:18Etienne FontanWhen we started researching hemp, which, you know, I did, a friend of mine by the name of John Lupien, Went to 50 different research facilities around the United States and got all this information regarding hemp that was through Freedom of Information Act and found, you know, patents back in the 20s and the teens all from hemp plastics and cellulosic plastic, how to make cellophane from it and all these different, you know, decorticators and how to actually strip the hemp without, you know, Then Lignostics have removed the lignin, you know, because there's lignostic plastics, there's cellulostic plastics.

53:56Etienne FontanThat they were making before they were ever playing with plastic together. So, I mean, hemp had proven its beneficialness. The reality is that we're trying to still educate people that that stuff actually exists. That they were making this stuff because everybody else for generations growing up thinking, oh, it's just all made from plastic, which is made from petroleum. And they don't realize that it was made from You know, agronomy prior to the reality that we are now, you know, dealing with.

54:25Etienne FontanAnd there's fortunately, you know, Hemp Works and other companies in Europe that have actually been playing with, you know, back in the 20 years ago, I was working with Steve D'Angelo and we were doing ecolution hemp genes. We were growing hemp in Eastern Europe, producing the first viable gene that people could wear. Now, it wasn't to the standard of what you expected from a Levi Strauss, but It was a step in the direction to educate people that, hey, you can make this from hemp.

54:52Etienne FontanAnd then we'd get testimonials from people saying, hey, I jump out of perfectly good airplanes, and I'm on my 20th jump in your hemp jeans, whereas my Levi Strauss jeans disintegrate within three to four jumps out of a plane because of the flapping. And that's because of the tensile strength of the hemp. And as you wash it and wear it, it became softer and more suppler. And why it was also great for sales is because it turned out to be salt resistant to the sea salt.

55:18Etienne FontanSo whereas cotton, that's why you couldn't make cotton sales because that stuff would absolutely degrade due to the salt water. Whereas the hemp, for some reason, just completely withstood it. And that's why you've got rope and cordage and all those things that In time, we only now know them to be made from plastic, except for large hemp ropes, which are consistently made from hemp and have been for generations.

55:43Etienne FontanBut besides the nautical world, the rest of the world has been completely stripped of its reality. So, I mean... There's no production plants. There's no processing plants. None of that stuff where we used to have it in the United States that we have destroyed all that, melted it down, and sold it to other countries. So not only does there have to be a revival of information, there has to be a revival of technology because we found when we had to put it through conventional machinery or cottonized machinery, it would destroy conventional machinery because the tensile strength of the steel is not comparable.

56:19Etienne FontanIt was not to the standards of back in the 20s and teens when it was dealing with very long, strong, hard fiber. So our complete access of technology and how we produce even our shirts and everything has been completely taken away from every aspect of our reality. And now where there's no trace of the mills, there's no trace of those fields. So everything that we've had to do, we've pretty much had to create the wheel all over again from.

56:48Etienne FontanWe're there and actually doing agronomy genetics, which is huge because we needed acclimated genetics. So when we were saying, hey, I'm growing over in Hungary and I'm growing in the Czech Republic, I need genetics that will grow at this longitude and latitude and I can get, you know, as 300, 400 seed per square meter, I can acclimate and get, you know, find genetics as quick as possible.

57:16Etienne FontanBut the machinery we were dealing with was 50 years old and 80 years old. So we could only process what the technology that was available. Whereas in China, they were taking that hemp and cottonizing it by stripping it and causing it to be a small fiber. Over in Eastern Europe, we were dealing with a long, strong fiber. And one of Steve D'Angelo's things was to prove is the reality of hemp was that long, strong fiber was one of those realities Thank you for joining us.

58:17Etienne FontanWe would find bolts of hemp fiber, import them, and then dye them, and then have these huge streaks through them from where they actually put fillers and plastics into the hemp so that you got shoddy hemp. And that was the reality of no standards, no one holding anyone to standards, and mills over in other parts of the world getting away with whatever they can get away with.

58:43Etienne FontanHere in the United States and in Canada, I hope that with Canada, you'd see more production facilities coming online like large decorticators, potential fiber. But even then, all we've seen is hemp seeds. I know that Ben, who had to make his money, was using the herd for animal bedding. So it's all these different people along the way have been trying to educate all of us here But at the same time, it's been very limited on what people can produce or what consumers will actually buy.

59:18Etienne FontanWe produced hemp jeans, but by the time we got them into the United States, the wholesale was $90 to almost $100. So it was a couture price by the time it got here. And then it retailed for near $200. It was just not really affordable for the everyday person, again, because of the limitation of hemp, the import-export. But the biggest thing was because we were producing in Eastern Europe, The cost of diesel to get it to port from all the different productions and then finally get it into the United States, be it from the hemp twine to the finished fiber product.

59:53Etienne FontanMy history lesson here is to implore people in the United States and Canada with this burgeoning market opening up, there's a depth of the reality that we are missing. We need large scale investors, not people with a couple million. We need billions in the stands of You know, technology accessibility or production of large-scale machinery that can actually manufacture and produce hemp products that you, the consumer, will want to buy.

1:00:22Etienne FontanYou know, we had to find with the hemp that we had to use enzyme washes and things like that to soften the fiber so that the American consumer or the Canadian consumer would be like, oh, I like this, this feels good, as opposed to initially touching hemp and going, ah, this is rough, this isn't so much what I expect, which is What they've come to expect as consumers.

1:00:43Etienne FontanWhereas if they had washed it and used that hemp a couple of times, they would realize, oh wow, how soft and how supple it actually becomes. So still education not only from that even hemp exists, but even once you've got produced products and getting them to market, it was a frustration because we were being excited as being ecological with products, still couldn't get something that was too Affordable, relatable, or accessible because it was only available in small stores.

1:01:16Etienne FontanIt wasn't available to large-scale consumers. So the reality became when, I do believe, in the mid-'90s, Ralph Lauren put in for an order for 2 million meters of fiber to China, and he couldn't get... The Chinese said, we can't do it, and... He pulled out of the hemp market and so did a whole bunch of people that were considering it because there's not enough production, there's not enough consistency of production out there to get the consumer excited, much less the manufacturer excited to take it forward.

1:01:51Etienne FontanThose are our foibles and our mistakes along the way.

1:01:54SpeakerSo hopefully people will bring this up because I feel like all the talk about legalizing cannabis is about legalizing marijuana and we're so short-sighted in the usefulness of it that we're not even having a full spectrum conversation about legalization in this country or in Canada because we're so focused on individuals' right to fucking have three or four grams of butt in his pocket and we're not looking at the overall You know, gifts that cannabis could provide society, you know, cleaner environment, you know, energy independence, I could go on and on.

1:02:30Etienne FontanThat was Jack Mayer's thing, 50,000 different products that you could make from, you know, from cannabis.

1:02:37SpeakerThe reality is... Technically, that was not Jack Kerr. That was Popular Mechanics in the article that they created called The Billion Dollar Crop. And at the time, they didn't use billion dollars for any other crop in the world. And people should go back and re-read that Popular Mechanics article because it's mind-blowing when you see the type of assert... how they assert hemp is going to be such a huge new crop in the future.

1:03:04SpeakerAnd that's right exactly when... I point the fingers at crony capitalism and the military-industrial complex quashed it.

1:03:14Etienne FontanHey, Bubble Man, have you heard of the American Hemp Company and what happened to them in Carbondale, Illinois back in the mid-1930s?

1:03:22BubblemanNo. Well, maybe, but refresh my memory.

1:03:25Etienne FontanSo back in the 30s, there was a company called the American Hemp Company, and it was in Carbondale, Illinois. I think today it's the factory is the Now the Ford factory, I do believe. But basically, in the mid-1930s, they started to play with ammonium nitrate. And when they were starting to grow ammonium nitrate with cannabis, I have farmers that were 90 years old that have audio tape that my friend John Lupien had gotten.

1:03:53Etienne FontanAnd they were basically saying when they applied the ammonium nitrate to the hemp in the fields, they could literally watch those fields grow before their very eyes. They were getting crops that were growing 30 to 40 feet in height. So what they started to do is they realized that they could not afford, Amahemco could not afford all the hemp that was growing around them. And as it was starting to harvest and come in, he realized that he had just gotten a plastics-making machinery, a paper-making machine, And a fiber making machine all at this one plant in Carbondale, Illinois.

1:04:39Etienne FontanAnd these were all the highest quality. So he was going to be producing the highest quality paper, the highest quality fiber. And then he was also playing with plastics and looking at all aspects of hemp. And realized when the harvest started to come in that there was way too much hemp. And so he realized that He was offered the farmer, the individual farmer, I'm going to buy your hemp for you and from you, but I cannot afford it now.

1:05:11Etienne FontanSo what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you 10% of the finished product that I produce from your hemp as penalty to you so that You realize that I understand that you have grown more hemp than I can actually manufacture and produce in the time needed and have the money timely. Because back then, you have to understand, they were getting $90 an acre in the mid-1930s per acre of hemp that they were growing because they were growing so much hemp.

1:05:41Etienne FontanSo the hemp started to come in. The farmers were like, absolutely. You have to understand this completely shifted the way that agronomy is today because the farmer was in control of not only producing, they would have been also receiver of the finished product. So the hemp starts to stack up all around Amahemco and it's in full scale production. And December 7th, I think it's 1935, they have a board meeting and at the board meeting A fire was started mysteriously in seven different places.

1:06:17Etienne FontanThis is all part of history. This is all notated. The fire, of course, if you know, once tons of hemp are stacked together and it catches fire, there's no water or anything will put that out. And the factory was completely surrounded and melted to the ground. And he went bankrupt. And he was actually put in jail because he defaulted on all the loans for the decorticators, the production machinery, all of that, from the plastics, making the paper, making everything, completely melted to the ground, destroyed.

1:06:52Etienne FontanAnd along with it, basically a lot of the American hemp industry was destroyed. And... That's a fact, and hopefully my friend John Lukin will be publishing this very shortly because there's a lot of names and factors. In fact, the family of the owner of the factory wants to clear the family name because they were absolutely devastated. They were going to be changing what would now known as the corn belt would be known as the hemp belt in America today because being able to produce the plastics, the paper, and the fiber...

1:07:27Etienne FontanAnd then secondly, the farmer is no longer just in the production business. They're also receiving on the once their product is taken to market and produced. It would have completely changed the idea that we know or understand of as agronomy today, which is completely not what it could have been.

1:07:48SpeakerRight, but you know, I want to point something out. You know, I think that we just have a limited history memory because I think that as people were going west, I'm sure it was hemp fields because those were canvas-covered wagons, not corn-covered wagons. And I'm sure they were eating, you know, whatever they could find and hunt along the way, you know, and having to grow essentials that they couldn't find, which was ropes and canvas for their clothing, And their horses and their wagons because it was the one thing that wasn't there.

1:08:27SpeakerThe thing they had to grow. Well think of how devastating it would be if you're on a ship and your ship is mostly made out of this plant that you then land on a huge continent and can't find the plant anywhere. So you can't make more ropes, you can't make more sails, you can't make more clothes. What do you do? I heard that the sailors back then used to travel with hemp seed.

1:08:51Etienne FontanBarrels and barrels and barrels. Just in case, you know, as well as seeds of a certain pine tree that would grow the mast of the ships as well. They're throughout Hawaii and stuff like that. They're a very straight tree. So they would carry both the hemp as well as then they would plant these trees wherever they would land in case others came along and had the same issue or They would just do that as a tip of the nod to anyone because it was a respect thing that was done back in the day.

1:09:21SpeakerThink about it. It was the toolbox they had to have with them because if they land on an island and they don't have the plants that they need to grow available, they're screwed. They're screwed forever. Columbus and them were lucky they found tobacco because that became their income, right? We were just a drug-selling country.

1:09:43BubblemanPeople like to alter their consciousness.

1:09:46SpeakerRight, and no one in the world had seen tobacco before Columbus had landed in the new India.

1:09:53BubblemanWell, I'm ready to hit some dry sift from D420K. He hooked me up with some pretty ridiculous... Are you going to do a long rip? I'm not, I'm not. Only D420K can say that. He actually patented and trademarked it. In fact, he's going to be charging you Sueing you later for saying that.

1:10:14Etienne FontanAwesome. I look forward to my lawyers receiving it.

1:10:18SpeakerThey left up the big Buddha Cheese patent that they were talking about. That's complete bullshit. He did try to file a patent at one point in time, but it wasn't on the use of cheese for the name. So if he is trying to do it, it hasn't been published yet.

1:10:33BubblemanYeah, because people posted like, pick, like, Cease and desist letters, I think that's what they posted.

1:10:39SpeakerYeah, but if you actually look for the patent, well, anyway, I searched his company name and patent and cheese and found a few things, but there was one patent that he applied for for the word cheese on, like, jars or containers. Right. But he abandoned the patent. He didn't submit some documents that they wanted. Maybe it's just copyrighted. Yeah, who knows? Who knows?

1:11:06Dr Mark ScialdoneI'd like to see the cease and desist order. You can't patent something that's not an invention. There has to be an invention, right?

1:11:14SpeakerYeah, yeah. Well, I mean, they could try to trademark it or something like that. Yeah, trademark it. Yeah, exactly.

1:11:20Etienne FontanAnd one part is to actually intimidate people because there's no traction to that reality. And so, you know, you have somebody going around. He's not a small individual intimidating people. And then using letters to scare people. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've gotten bullshit letters from different people saying all kinds of different things regarding cannabis.

1:11:40SpeakerSo, you know, you've got to take it with its own grain of salt, but it's... Well, to make sure we weren't breaking anybody's copyright, Mark and I, when we were down in Barcelona, what were we calling it? Garganzola? We were calling it the Emmental. Okay.

1:12:00Etienne FontanSo basically what's happening is he's trying to say you can't use the word cheese with cannabis. Is that the reality that he's trying to enforce with people?

1:12:09SpeakerNo, he's actually, if you say the word cheese on Hash Church, you're going to be charged.

1:12:17Etienne FontanYou're going to be charged.

1:12:18SpeakerFromage? That's what I'm for.

1:12:22BubblemanFromage. Cheese church. French is covered in the trademark. Say cheese. Say cheese. Cost, cost, is cost, cost? Yeah, cost, cost with one A and cost with two A's, both trademarked.

1:12:38Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's such bullshit.

1:12:40SpeakerWell, there's always the American version, Velveeta.

1:12:47BubblemanAmerican? We have our own cheese called American. What about just Wiz?

1:12:53Etienne FontanOh, Cheese Whiz. Mmm. I want a Trisket.

1:12:56Dr Mark ScialdoneRemember, real cheese has to go in the refrigerator. If it ain't in the refrigerator, it ain't cheese.

1:13:02SpeakerI think the Italians would disagree with you. There's lots of French cheeses that should not be refrigerated. Yeah, my Italian friends freaked out when I put a special cheese in the fridge. They lost their mind because it made the cheese too hard. There's a whole bunch of cheeses that you don't put in the fridge.

1:13:23Etienne FontanI guess we go with Queso here as well, you know, it's Queso patented.

1:13:27BubblemanI might call next episode Cheese Church.

1:13:35Etienne FontanEverybody, all our names are different cheese names.

1:13:42SpeakerSo ATN, did you see Arno's publication this week or the one that was in the news? I don't think it's been accepted through the journal yet, but it's...

1:13:50Etienne FontanI don't think it's been accepted yet, but I did read it. What did you think?

1:13:54SpeakerI think it's great, but I mean, essentially for everybody that doesn't know what it is, it's an evaluation of terpene and cannabinoid content on cannabis that has been gamut irradiated. So in...

1:14:07Etienne FontanSince the Dutch actually irradiate other cannabis and Arno is the actual tester and actually does and has dealt with, I mean, he was telling us this back in 2011 when I was there, when probably even when you went through the Dutch program that he was putting on, I mean, he already had that information out there because that was one of the first things I asked. I was like, okay, since this is irradiated, what are the effects?

1:14:29Etienne FontanAnd he says, I've looked it under the scope and everything seems to, you know, be kosher, except there is some You know, evaporation, which, you know, takes place, but everything seems to... Of terpenes, of terpenes specifically. Right.

1:14:43SpeakerRight. So that, yeah, so in Holland, they gamma irradiate the cannabis, and Medrocan and some of the other companies, I believe, also in Canada actually irradiate the weed so that they can bring it in under the biological allowable limits, right? Microbials. And they've actually shown that there's, although the cannabinoids don't change when you gamma radiate the weed, you actually have some loss of terpenes. Either through evaporations, and this paper claimed that there wasn't any conversion, but I did notice that pinene went up in one of the samples too, so.

1:15:26SpeakerAnyway, it's an interesting paper.

1:15:27BubblemanDoesn't art terpenes always lost? Aren't they continually being lost and that's why we can smell them?

1:15:36SpeakerThey are continually being lost, but the point was that you're doing a process on them and And they measured, you know, terpene loss before and after. They measured terpene content before and after and showed that there was, you know, in some cases, pretty significant loss, right? Thirty-eight percent. We put a whole bunch of effort into producing plants that make a lot of oil, right, that have really high amounts of terpene.

1:16:01SpeakerSo you want to preserve that.

1:16:04BubblemanAbsolutely. Well, that's a nice point. People have always said they don't like the irradiation thing, but it's nice to know why we don't like it. If there's terpene loss, that's one good thing.

1:16:19SpeakerArnaud clearly states that the important thing in medical cannabis is THC and CBD. He doesn't include terpenes in anything that's important.

1:16:33Etienne FontanHe considers them non-essential and that's why he was more concerned if the cannabinoids were staying in place for the consistency of the bedroom can material as opposed to what we're just finding.

1:16:44SpeakerThey do. They stay in place. That seems pretty stable. If you use up to 38% of your terpenes, that's way too high.

1:16:56Dr Mark ScialdoneDon't you think that process produces that Hashishine molecule, which is a light-mediated reaction? I have no idea.

1:17:06SpeakerThey definitely didn't look at it in the study, and there's no peaks for that in the... That would be a different study, a different peak look, yeah. Yeah, they decided that it was evaporation, but then again, that doesn't account for that pining spike thing.

1:17:20Etienne FontanWell, there you go, Scaldone. There's something you can do some research on. Let us know the results.

1:17:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, I think it was myrcene, and it's a light-mediated reaction, so the question is not why won't it or why will it make hashishine. The question is why won't it if this other group observed it. That's all. Right, well, it didn't show up in the analysis, right? Yeah, but maybe they weren't looking for it, or maybe, again, that molecular weight can correspond to several different isomers, and they may not be, you know...

1:17:55Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know, looking at the same fragmentation pattern that that other group found or whatever in their mass spec.

1:18:01SpeakerI don't know that... Have you seen this paper we're talking about or no? Yeah, yep, I've seen it, yep. You got it, okay, cool.

1:18:09BubblemanSomeone sent it to me recently. I don't know if it was Chimera or Sam. I definitely have that paper.

1:18:16SpeakerCool. I really like the paper, but I also am offended the way he ignores terpenes as being medically important. You've got to remember the context. Arno is the head of science for Medrocan, and they're trying to sell a product, so they have to justify the process that goes on.

1:18:40Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, but those things are just THC-producing machines, and their thing is based on A specification, a product specification has to do with cannabinoid measurements and has nothing to do with terpenes, and so that's, I think, what underpins that statement, right? No, they were measured terpenes in the study.

1:18:58SpeakerNo, no, no, but the point, I think what Sam is trying to say is that his... No, I think what Sam was saying is that he was offended that Arno doesn't believe that terpenes are important medical compounds.

1:19:10Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, and that's what I'm saying, that the way that the company views this is that these things are just...

1:19:16SpeakerI don't think that's an accurate statement to say that. But they're definitely trying to justify the fact that the process that goes on in the herb is worth the tradeoff. It might even be true that THC is most important. Maybe even CBD next. Yeah, you have to remember there's very little scientific evidence that shows the terpenes do anything. Exactly. That's the difference.

1:19:47BubblemanThat's where the value of the bioassay comes in that you can't just go to school for. Your own bioassay is a pretty valuable thing when you know

1:19:56Etienne FontanYeah, but we have to take that bio-essay and we have to do studies on it. We have to have real science behind it. I mean, that's the reality that we have to finance and we have to get behind and do. We got to get past this hearsay and conjecture and actually put it into papers and submit it for peer review. I mean, that's the end of it.

1:20:12BubblemanIt's inevitable. It's going to happen for sure.

1:20:18BubblemanI'd be blown away if they never found scientific proof in some form or another.

1:20:23SpeakerIt took years for that to happen with the major and minor cannabinoids. There was another interesting thing that was released this week I saw tweeted about. I didn't actually see the presentation. But Medicinal Genomics had a conference at Harvard called CanMed or Canamed.

1:20:44BubblemanYeah.

1:20:44SpeakerAnd, yeah, I'm sure some of you saw that, but SC posted a little thing, and, you know, one of the things that Kevin McKernan and SC did together with the Emerald Cup this year is they took the winning samples and they sequenced them out and they tested them all and everything. And the one thing that really made those samples stand out from the average of the samples is that they all had higher terpene contents.

1:21:12SpeakerSo it's interesting that the winning samples all actually just, you know, selected by people as which were the best all naturally had high terpene content. So it kind of really goes against the opinion that Arno was putting forth in the paper.

1:21:27BubblemanWell, you've got to think that the terpenes are super important in the way we react to the smelling even of the plant before we're inhaling them and getting the effects. The finding that good smell, the olfactory experience has always been high up on the list of how we find things that we like, and I'm sure with cannabis it's...

1:21:48SpeakerThe latest thing is that patients are reporting to me that they're getting benefits from terpenes or sweets of terpenes found in cannabis. And they're not smoking THC or CBD with it. They're just vaping terpenes, and they're getting benefit for different medical indications. So, yeah, the world will learn. Yeah. Well, I just think that the cup thing is actually an interesting metric because the people are essentially choosing it, not even thinking about the terpenes or any of that stuff.

1:22:24SpeakerThey're just smoking the herb and telling us what's best. If they have a choice, I don't blame them. Right, but then when the analysis comes back on the samples that people are smoking, it turns out that the ones that actually got chosen were actually, all of them were higher in terps than the average, right? And that's, so, it's like they're not actually, people aren't actually trying to choose the most terpy ones, they just are choosing, they're choosing the best ones, and those happen to be the most terpy ones, which is kind of cool.

1:22:53SpeakerWell, it's the calls though, right? It's like with me, like certain strains that I always picked up on always worked well for my pain. And then when Mark brought those terpenes into the hospital, just those, those, those, those fragrances helped me modulate my pain and stuff. So, I mean, it's a no brainer, right? Like, We all see it and I feel it and seeing this with myself for so long and now being able to really understand it and seeing these separations with the different terpenes.

1:23:19SpeakerI mean, I have the ones that work for me and these are the ones that I'm liking right now. It's a whole new thing. It's great to see it. It's definitely something that we're all looking closely at more and more.

1:23:34BubblemanIt's nice to have access to them anyway. I just like the fact, you know, I don't think that people are necessarily missing out if they don't have the access.

1:23:45SpeakerIt's in the butt. It's still there. You can still use the terpenes from the cannabis. You don't have to have them extracted. You can still smell that. Like when you wake up in the morning and crack that jar, you're going to get that uplifting. So it's always there when you open up a new jar or a new bag. I'm really looking forward to when Tony gets analysis of his herb and then the terpenes that he makes from that specific herb also tested.

1:24:17SpeakerAnd we'll have side by side. I think that would be really, really interesting. He says he's going to do it at SC Labs this time.

1:24:24BubblemanIt'll become a new standard, Sam, honestly. If you want to make terps, we want to see your terpene profile from the herb, and we want to see the terpene profile from the terps. Absolutely. That's ideal. Yeah. I mean, it's a good start anyway. I don't think it'll be the end of the journey, but that's definitely like a good place to start to see what's been changed or altered, you know, and to try to create a method that creates the least amount of change and alteration.

1:24:57SpeakerThere's a guy named Tree Terps, I think he's on Instagram. I found a couple of his photos and he had uploaded some photos from three varieties that he put through SC Labs of both the Terps and the varieties and you could see what was... Thank you for watching.

1:25:34SpeakerThat's interesting.

1:25:36Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't think it really matters that it has to be identical. When you say changes, what do you mean? Changes in levels? Yeah, let me see if I can, you know what I should do?

1:25:46SpeakerLet me see if I can find it and I'll screen share. That way you can see.

1:25:55Dr Mark ScialdoneHey, Mr. Sheldon. Dr. Sheldon, what the fuck?

1:26:00Etienne FontanDoctor. Alright, doctor. All right, I had before, I had the hive top. This is the hive bottom. This is the sick top from D-Nail. Good job, Brian and everybody over there. They have a modified top that goes in and on your hive, which is absolutely awesome. The first head, the heat destroyed it, needless to say, but I have to say the SIC head on this Primo for torches, without a doubt, the retention of heat and flavor.

1:26:33Etienne FontanI hope you guys do something with these guys because it's solid.

1:26:38Dr Mark ScialdoneFor the record, ATN, I'm not with Hive. I'm not with Vape. I thought you were. Sorry, my mistake. No, no, no, no, no. That's a relationship that ended with last year.

1:26:50Etienne FontanMy apologies. Then give them shit.

1:26:54Dr Mark ScialdoneNow that's okay, that's okay. I know those cats though, and I think it's a high quality product, and I love the silicon carbide nail. I mean, I think it, like Mark was saying, he likes the sapphire the best. I think I like the silicon carbide. I haven't tried a sapphire yet, but I think the silicon carbide is my favorite. How do you compare silicon carbide to sapphire, Mark?

1:27:18BubblemanI just, you know, the Sapphire is gentle and it seems to preserve the flavors and the tastes in the way that I enjoy them the most. It cleans the easiest by simply turning the unit up. It cleans like to brand new. There's no, it doesn't fog over or get weird the way Quartz does. It's just, it's rare. It's the hardest one to get. I think you produce 300 of them a year or something.

1:27:44BubblemanIt's like a low end. How do you like Kinect and Carbide? Have you tried that? Well, I have quite a few of the Silicon Carbods, and I quite enjoyed it. I think of it as my travel unit. It's a nice travel unit. It's very small. And it's a nice big still halo dish because I'm not really, I can't puff off of these, you know, these little type of nails.

1:28:05Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm just like... Yeah, I meant like flavor-wise. Like can you tell a flavor difference between the Sapphire and the Silicon Carbide? Oh, yeah. Is that pretty close?

1:28:15BubblemanYeah, no, you can definitely tell the difference on all of them. I don't think even a connoisseur is necessarily needed. If you just did it with people's eyes closed and let them hit the same thing like four times in a row off, Quartz, titanium, silicon carbide, and sapphire. They would all find a sweet spot that they enjoyed based on the way they created all the pathways in their brain.

1:28:39BubblemanAnd I wouldn't think that everyone would be the same. Some people preferred a titanium. Some people prefer a quartz. But for me, for whatever reason, just the way it preserves the flavors, for me, I like it the best.

1:28:57BubblemanVery much a personal choice. I really don't think that if there was ten of us in a room, we would all choose Sapphire. I highly doubt it, in fact.

1:29:05Etienne FontanIt all comes down to preference, and both are really good. I do enjoy, for my home unit, the Sapphire, without a doubt. It's definitely most flavorful, but the stick is much easier to clean, in my opinion. The silicon carbide.

1:29:22BubblemanYeah, it cleans nice for sure. Todd looks like he's in front of a green screen from a distance. So can you guys see the screen or what do you...

1:29:30SpeakerI can't tell because I...

1:29:31Etienne FontanYes, perfect. Perfect. Put that up there, Bubble Man.

1:29:35SpeakerYeah, it's up.

1:29:36Etienne FontanWow, what are we looking at?

1:29:38SpeakerSo this is obviously somebody on Instagram named Tree Terps and I came across these and it was a copy of... On the right is an SC Labs lab report from... The flower on the right here, and on the left it's the oil, so this is Blue Dream.

1:29:59Etienne FontanSo that's the oil extracted from that flower.

1:30:02SpeakerI guess so, yeah.

1:30:04BubblemanThat's pretty damn close, dude. Aside from the alpha bisabolol and the caryophylline oxide.

1:30:12SpeakerYeah, so caryophylline oxide is one that's a byproduct of, it's not really found in the plant. It's kind of a bit...

1:30:20Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. It's a byproduct of caryophylline oxidation.

1:30:23SpeakerYeah. So you can see that it goes up. So there's something in the process that's causing it to go from 0.24 in the flour to 6.27, okay?

1:30:33BubblemanWell, but it's a concentrated version, so that's why all the numbers, for instance, alpha-pinene...

1:30:39SpeakerThe ratios change those, is what I'm saying. So if you look at the flour... There's roughly equal amounts of beta-pinene and myrcene, okay? The black and the blue. But look at it in the oil. There's way more blue than there is myrcene, and there's way more pinene than there is myrcene.

1:31:01BubblemanOh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We lost myrcene for sure. Do you attribute that to extraction process?

1:31:11SpeakerI mean, it could be a whole bunch of things. It could be volatile.

1:31:16Dr Mark ScialdoneIt could be evaporating. Again, myrcene does have photolytic chemistry, and if the stuff is exposed to light, you can't keep it from happening. It's going to happen.

1:31:30SpeakerYeah. So that's one, okay? But look at linoleol. In the flour, there's almost no linoleol, okay? But in the oil, there's like 4.21 milligrams. And so we're talking like 0.04%. It's a pretty low amount of the total extract, but still, it's like it is happening, right?

1:31:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so there's a terpenyl carbocation that you could make, again, from myrcene that can essentially rearrange to linalool if it's trapped by water. If water reacts with that carbonium ion, that's linalool. Right. Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, there's fundamental chemical mechanisms that you could plot to each one of these changes, but you're right, the process does appear to be changing it. What about valencein?

1:32:16SpeakerValencein and vial at the bottom are both, they're both huge increases, right? Right, yeah.

1:32:26BubblemanI wonder if myrcene can translate and change into valencene.

1:32:31Dr Mark ScialdoneNo, because valencene is a sesquiterp, right? Valencene is a 15-carbon one. Humulene or probably caryophylene could rearrange into the valencene thing, but yeah, I'm not sure that that chemistry is known.

1:32:45Etienne FontanDidn't lose my humulene.

1:32:48Dr Mark ScialdoneRight, that comes from a 15 carbon thing as opposed to a 10 carbon one.

1:32:52BubblemanWell, they don't put, oh, there's humulin, yeah, okay. I'm still pretty surprised at how similar the majority of the peaks are. I mean, the myrcene is a substantial loss, but pinene, limonene.

1:33:05SpeakerBut one of the other things that's really important in scent is the ratios between the two, or between the individual terps. And when we say fingerprint, like, that's what we mean, and You know, there was a presentation a couple weeks ago, and next week I'll be able to really share it with you guys, but there's some pretty cool stuff on flavor classes that you're finally going to be able to see.

1:33:25Dr Mark ScialdoneI wonder, Ryan, like how many times when they run this GC analysis, like how reproducible... Are these fingerprints? Like when we look at these, what are the error bars in these measurements, you know?

1:33:37SpeakerUnfortunately, you don't get that because these are single runs for one client. Like this is a client's lab report, right? Right. And you can't, but what you're getting at is coming soon. Coming soon to a theater near you. That's a major Carrie Offline jump. Yeah, you can see that this variety is myrcene dominant, right? Yeah. There's actually not much in this one. Like, it's myrcene and osamine and then a bunch of little blips.

1:34:10SpeakerRight. But then again, in the extract, look, you went from zero linalool to like 12 milligrams. And even limonene also increased as a ratio.

1:34:21BubblemanYeah, terpenes are so strong, though, those little blips can sure affect and change things up.

1:34:26Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, osamine is another one that's very labile. It'll start doing chemistry just, you know, by heating it up or exposing it to air.

1:34:34SpeakerYeah, well, osamine and myrcene are both acyclic monoterps, right? Right. Yep, yep, yep, sure.

1:34:41Dr Mark ScialdoneThey can kind of jump around in anything. Yeah, and if they're heated up in the presence of air, I mean, you're going to start forming Thank you for joining us.

1:35:02SpeakerBut he's got a couple more on here.

1:35:04Dr Mark ScialdoneLet me go and find another one. Do they know what happened to the cannabinoids in this process? Have they changed at all? It's the cheese! These are terps. These are terps. This is a terp extract. Oh, this is just a terp extract, so cannabinoid free. Of bud and of oil. Yes, but in this process, is the cannabinoid ratio the same?

1:35:28SpeakerIt's a terpene extract. It's only terpenes.

1:35:31Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, only terpenes. Okay, I'm sorry.

1:35:33SpeakerNot yet. So it goes from whatever the cannabinoids are to zero. Borneol, gone. Yeah, but terpeneol is produced.

1:35:45BubblemanProduced, yeah, like a substantial amount.

1:35:48SpeakerYeah, and even a little bit of osamine, but like Mark was saying, that probably came from the myrcene. But you can see, the point is that you can see that the fingerprint is the same. Oh. You can kind of tell it's got all the same terpenes in it, plus or minus, with a little bit of variation, but all the major spikes are still there. It's just the ratios between them changes a little bit, right?

1:36:12SpeakerSo it might be that we look at the... The ratio of the fingerprint of the flower and the fingerprint of the oil, if they're similar, then that's maybe a high quality extract. But in the end, to me, it doesn't really matter that much because all that really matters is what's in the extract. That's what you're consuming.

1:36:36SpeakerIf you're consuming it. Assuming people are consuming it. Anyway, he's got one more on here and let's just look at one more.

1:36:41BubblemanOh, we're consuming it.

1:36:43SpeakerYeah.

1:36:46SpeakerHere's Whitaker Blues from... What is a genetic Whitaker Blue?

1:36:51Etienne FontanI'm not familiar with it.

1:36:53SpeakerIt's a hybrid or something from DJ Short. I think his son made this one.

1:36:57BubblemanDo you think that Tree Terps is about to get some new followers?

1:37:00SpeakerYeah, probably. The Tree Terps hash church bump.

1:37:06BubblemanIt's like 34 likes next week, 3,400 likes.

1:37:09SpeakerLook, he's got the hash church tag already in his thing.

1:37:16BubblemanNice.

1:37:18SpeakerThat's what I'm talking about.

1:37:19BubblemanI love seeing you side by side.

1:37:23SpeakerIt's really similar with just a little bit of Borneol produce. I guess Benchol goes up a relative amount too.

1:37:32BubblemanBut for the most part... Bolol, Alphabisa Bolol is almost gone. Not that there was a lot there.

1:37:37SpeakerYeah.

1:37:39BubblemanIt shows different on the... Wow.

1:37:46BubblemanPretty interesting. I like to see them side by side like that for sure.

1:37:50SpeakerLook again, Valensine was produced in this one.

1:37:54BubblemanYeah, right at the bottom there. And look how much. Vital is almost.

1:38:05BubblemanOpalpinine, Myrcine.

1:38:07Etienne FontanWhoa.

1:38:08BubblemanWhoa. Anyhow, I'm going to slap screen for you.

1:38:13Etienne FontanWow, we kind of went inception there.

1:38:16BubblemanThanks for sharing that, dude. That was pretty cool.

1:38:19Etienne FontanYeah, no worries. Yeah, thank you, Chimera. That's good. Love seeing that stuff.

1:38:24Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, again, you've got to put a caveat on how reproducible those results are time and time again. And certainly, like in different cultivation practices and different other parameters can certainly affect terpenes, how the plant's cured. Everything is going to affect the terpene content. Terpene content is going to be very susceptible to environmental conditions.

1:38:54BubblemanIs anyone else not seeing Mark Scaldone and his camera? I just see a picture. I thought it was a new Mark.

1:39:04SpeakerCan you guys not hear me? Oh, we can hear you. We hear you fine, Mark. We just can't see you. Okay, how about now? Is it black?

1:39:15Etienne FontanCan you hear me now?

1:39:16SpeakerThere's a photograph of you. We can hear you, but when you go to your camera, it's black.

1:39:23Dr Mark ScialdoneOh, that's not good.

1:39:24SpeakerOkay, let me... Like right now, it's black.

1:39:28Dr Mark ScialdoneOkay, let me go out and come back. I'll be back.

1:39:32SpeakerI'll be back.

1:39:36BubblemanWell, yeah, that was interesting. It's nice to see... These things becoming more than a name, but becoming, like you said a week or two ago on Hash Church Chimera, the constituents that make up what it is. What a better way to describe something.

1:39:55SpeakerYeah. Yeah, I mean, it really is. I think that's going to shift to be the way that cannabis is categorized in the future, because they definitely do have distinct entourage effects and Flavors, you know, that kind of vary with the terpene class, and then there's minor differences between varietals, but really there's only so many archetypes of terpene flavors.

1:40:22BubblemanWell, people are ripe for this information, too. People love to learn things about cannabis, and it seems right now the thing that most people seem to be peaking on is to learn more about The terpenes, to learn what they're doing and how they're doing it and ways of, obviously, it'll be interesting to see once people start making the processing of terpenes more, you know, like videos and photo essays and the things that everything's been about on the internet since we got to this point.

1:40:54BubblemanIt'll be interesting to see once people start sharing these different methods of what they're doing.

1:41:00SpeakerI'm really looking forward to see what comes out of your work with the The Flash Frozen and whatever else you guys are going to do. It's going to be really cool.

1:41:11BubblemanYeah, there's some definitely exciting things on the horizon. I think a lot of people right now too are actively working on different things to better the cannabis movement whether people realize it or not. I think a lot of people are studying this plant right now. Yeah.

1:41:30Etienne FontanAnd a lot more will as more of these states come online and if Canada and whatever happens again, this is all happening.

1:41:37SpeakerNow it's working, Mark. Hey, United Nations.

1:41:40Etienne FontanGreat. Great to be back.

1:41:44BubblemanYes, yes. I didn't think you just got like, like I was just like, oh, maybe it's just take this camera off while he like chain smokes bong rips.

1:41:53Dr Mark ScialdoneBlack zone. I don't know what's going on. The Pennsylvania law is about to be signed, so I've been watching the, The progress on my phone here, so I didn't know if I was somehow like... Is it actually going to sign it? Yes, it's being signed right now. In fact, our friend Jessica Hawkins, Naya's mom, is actually there. She's one of the people standing right there behind the governor, and they're about to sign right now, so this is great.

1:42:21Dr Mark ScialdoneAgain, we were talking about hemp in Pennsylvania. We have a really strong hemp bill, too. We hope to have the industrial hemp thing signed real soon, and... Pennsylvania played a real key role in the, you know, development of the hemp industry during the 13 colonies. And I think if I remember correctly, in William Penn's Pennsylvania, you were taxed if you did not grow hemp.

1:42:45Etienne FontanSo... What are y'all going to now work on once this is signed into? Is there an effort in line to allow for individual cultivation, or are they just going to... Home Grow, I think, is out.

1:42:56Dr Mark ScialdoneI think it's going to be a little bit more... Restrictive, not as restrictive, say, as the New York law. I think they're not going to allow smoking of flour, unfortunately. But they are going to allow extracts and concentrates and vaping.

1:43:13Etienne FontanSo let me get this straight. You've got no growing and no smoking. So what do you have?

1:43:18Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, here. Let me go through. So I had a little thing.

1:43:21Etienne FontanIt's more for everyone else. I understand what's going on, but there's almost 1,000 people.

1:43:25Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, there's going to be 25 grower licenses, 50 dispensary licenses. I guess for a total of like 150 storefronts.

1:43:35Etienne FontanAnd that should be distributed throughout the state or is there going to be like by county or?

1:43:40Dr Mark ScialdoneThroughout the state and yeah I think distributed like mostly around population areas because I think in the plan of your application you have to be able to address a certain number of patients in a given geographical area. And so, yeah, here's Governor Wolf. There's his bald head right there. I don't know if you can see it, but he's signing it right there.

1:44:02Etienne FontanAre you all going to create the Jedediah OG out there?

1:44:06Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, I mean, again, there's a lot of history, hemp history in Pennsylvania. Most of the large hemp processing equipment is made over in New Holland, Pennsylvania, which is just New York County and next county over. And... Again, our Amish growers here are all ready to grow, start growing hemp as soon as there's an infrastructure within the state that can crush seed and process it into oil and seed protein, which will then create the fiber that can be... And so I'll give props out to my friend Adam Thompson, who again is On the governor's, the steps behind the governor here, Adam Thompson owns the Pennsylvania Hemp Company, and they are already crushing imported hemp seeds to make a hemp seed oil product for use in foods.

1:45:05Dr Mark ScialdoneWhere are they importing seed from? I'm not sure where, and I know that there was some sort of legality issues that were addressed in that, but basically we're selling... A legal hemp oil product here in Pennsylvania, and it's got a lot of traction because it's all organic and whatnot. Is it seed or de-hulled seed? Yes, it's de-hulled. It's what is non-Schedule 1, right, the mold, sterilized, blah, blah, blah.

1:45:38SpeakerYeah, yeah, yeah.

1:45:39Dr Mark ScialdoneIt has to do with being able to do it within the confines of the Schedule 1 listing, which again is challenged every day. In the CBD marketplace, I mean, there's all kinds of folks now selling CBD and CBD oil, supposedly extracted from hemp, you know, below the THC cutoff and that being, I guess, allowed in some way, shape, or form under some type of exclusion. But, yeah, I mean, it's about to take off and go really big out here, out east, Maryland and D.C., I know one licensee in D.C. who's getting ready to do a build out of his grow and getting ready to make high quality extracts right there in the nation's capital.

1:46:27Dr Mark ScialdoneSo you'll be able to buy really high quality extracts here in just a handful of months in Washington, D.C., which is really good.

1:46:36SpeakerThere's some pretty impressive stuff going on in D.C. right now, that's for sure.

1:46:41BubblemanYeah, it's happening like crazy over there. I have conversations with a few different groups out there every other day and it seems to be moving fast.

1:46:50Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, hey Mark, on that, let's not forget to hook up on the Pennsylvania thing. You know, we should definitely put our heads together. It can certainly... Imagine a very fruitful opportunity to work together here.

1:47:02BubblemanI'm telling people that are in your neighborhood that a good idea would be to come to the Lyft conference in May, which is in Toronto, not very far away from where you guys are. And that's May 28th and 29th and quite a few people from like that area are going to be coming and we're going to try and do some brainstorming and stuff and see if we can't figure out some way to put a project together.

1:47:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, let's connect outside church and have a discussion on that. Absolutely.

1:47:33BubblemanYeah, I'm all about moving things forward in any way, shape, or form that's like involves me processing resin.

1:47:44Etienne FontanWell, I mean, if you think that, you know, you've got what, the Hemfield Township there in... Pennsylvania, you know, there's multiple towns in Pennsylvania that are named.

1:47:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, and the hemp seed pretzels too, the hemp seeds pretzels, right? Those are still going?

1:48:06BubblemanDid we lose Mark again? No?

1:48:09Etienne FontanI'm here. Are those hemp seeds still going?

1:48:12Dr Mark ScialdoneI think so, yeah. Yeah, I think so. They were one of the companies that was named in that 2004 lawsuit that, you know, there was a ruling in the 9th District Court on, you know, defining sort of the non-psychoactive components of cannabis as being falling outside of the definition of the Schedule I listing in the Controlled Dangerous Substance Act. So I think that's the That's the real stick in the sand that, you know, I think a lot of the CBD and people who are, again, looking at, again, big investment trying to get into this market and people who are trying to play this thing as straight down the middle as they possibly can because, again, the whole Schedule 1 listing right now makes it very, very problematic if you're investing other people's money.

1:49:08SpeakerAlso, too, if you want to make hemp seed oil, you don't really want to use denatured seeds that can't grow. It's a lot better to use live seeds.

1:49:18BubblemanOh, man. The whole cannabis food health thing was built on a fallacy because all of the original seed was steam sterilized from China, and there was no real value in it at all. So we were eating these crazy steamed out, like, and eating the hull. It's not an enjoyable experience.

1:49:39Dr Mark ScialdoneIf you could imagine the effort that we've made in just the growing and cultivation of artisan cannabis, if that same innovation can be applied to the seed oil and really the seed protein, because again, the amount of protein per acre, at the end of the day, if it If it's better than soybeans, it's going to basically replace soybeans as being the way of getting protein into cows and hogs.

1:50:15Etienne FontanThe problem, doctor, is your state has the same French EU limit seed strain, so you're not going to be able to benefit from manufacturing or any type of gene play because you're always limited to that 0.03% seed. So you're already kind of starting with your back against the wall, so to say, because you're dealing with an inferior product all the way around that has been bred that way just because of the scare tactics of THC.

1:50:46Etienne FontanWe know that those that are higher over, just slightly over, perform much better hemp-wise because of the lignostics and all the herd, how high it is, seed production, all that.

1:51:01Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, but if the Schedule 1 listing goes away, so if it does get knocked off the schedule, and this now becomes a protein machine, forget about a trichome machine, this becomes a protein machine to feed hogs and cow, end of story, right? How about the world? Well, yes, okay, right. The people are going to eat the big ones.

1:51:25BubblemanI'm not against hogs and cows. They can have some too.

1:51:28Dr Mark ScialdoneRight. Mark, this must be terrible for a vegetarian to hear, right?

1:51:33BubblemanWell, I'm just thinking of all the people that are offset by the grain that we currently feed to that just need food, just water and food.

1:51:42Etienne FontanWell, it's not only the protein. It's the omega-3, 6, and 9 also inside of it, which you can't get from any other Thank you so much for joining us.

1:52:11SpeakerYeah, it's not just the linoleic and the linoleic acid, it's the ratio between the two. The three to one. Yeah, that is so essential for the human diet.

1:52:19BubblemanThat's the big one. You nailed it for sure because the flax is the opposite. It has a one to three ratio. It's like you take enough of that throughout your whole life and become iron deficient. The ratios are super important.

1:52:32SpeakerYeah. You know, that's exactly what... Dr. Udo Erasmus pointed out in his book, Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, he said it took him about a year of using flax oil exclusively to develop paper thin skin that dried out easily and cracked. And it was before he had discovered hemp seed oil. And before he discovered hemp seed oil, he was set out to make his own perfectly balanced oil because of his experience with flax oil.

1:53:01SpeakerAnd before he could, the fatty acid composition had arrived in the mail. And in the 1994 or 5 version of his book, he wrote, there was my perfectly balanced oil. Mother Nature had beat me to it by a few hundred million years. And then though, In more amusement, I liked his books so much I would give them away to people and in further printings after his own balanced oil blend, Dr. Udo's came out, he actually went back into the hemp chapter and edited out the part that said basically Mother Nature beat him to the market by a few hundred million years.

1:53:39SpeakerYeah, right? Yeah, he didn't need that competition from cannabis getting in his way of an oil sale. And the best hemp seed oil for human nutrition is actually phenola because it has a higher STS. So it has an additional essential fatty acid. Yeah, it's stearidonic acid. Isn't that one of those? Yes, absolutely.

1:54:04Etienne FontanBut that strain is also above the .03 French EU, correct?

1:54:10SpeakerNo, it's legally registered in the EU as a low THC industrial hemp variety. Good to know, good to know.

1:54:22SpeakerVery cool, very cool. We love the plant. Not only that, but it will yield two tons per hectare. That's more than double the yield of any other hemp seed variety. That oil is dense and heavy. So I'm just in the letter. Did I hear that right? Two tons per hectare, up to. In Finland they get that. I don't know about in Canada. And Sam, is that a de-hulled seed?

1:54:57SpeakerIs it what? Is that de-hulled seed?

1:55:02SpeakerThat's seed. No, no, no, that's whole seed.

1:55:08Dr Mark ScialdoneWhole Seed, okay.

1:55:12SpeakerSo I just wanted to share this, and the entry P is a 20 to 1 CBD strain, and the producer has intentionally included seeds to be shared and enjoyed at Harvest Moon Cup, so that's pretty cool. There's seeds in this little bag, and all the 100 entries, so I guess it'll be kind of interesting to have to take a look at it, so that's kind of cool.

1:55:32Bubbleman20 to 1 CBD, it'll be like local Canadian hemp. Yeah. I just...

1:55:38SpeakerYeah, they're saying 2,000 plus per acre for Fanola in Canada. 2,000? Yeah, that's the highest yielding variety on record. 2,000 plus pounds per acre.

1:55:49BubblemanWow, so a ton an acre.

1:55:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that's right, per acre, yeah. So it's just a matter of time, isn't it?

1:55:59SpeakerBefore this replaces soybean as the way to... No, soy is still cheaper to produce by the ton than hemp seed is. So, yeah, I mean, you could still produce protein a little bit cheaper by soy, but maybe the hemp protein might be better because you've got these other essential fatty acids that you don't get in soy. Well, it's just pretty nice smelling. It looks nice and crispy.

1:56:27SpeakerI don't know if you guys can see it or not.

1:56:30BubblemanTake a picture and throw it up in Hash Church group. I'm going to post a bunch of things that we talked about in the Hash Church group today as well. It would be great to post a link to those terpene pages as well in the Hash Church group. It's nice to be able to keep the conversation going and it wouldn't be bad to just get a person.

1:56:49BubblemanI'm sure I could find one person to just kind of post the things that we're talking about as we talk about them throughout the show because it sure would make for a nice one particular... Little zone in the group that has all these, all the things that we spoke about. It's nice to be able to research them and go back.

1:57:08SpeakerI don't even know what a Facebook page looks like.

1:57:12BubblemanOh, it's just a group. You punch into Facebook, Hash Church, and it's just basically a little spot for us to post information and if people want certain things discussed, they can post in there. Mostly it's just a place where people gather and join during the week when When there's no Hash Church. There's a little, the chat starts up on YouTube as well sometimes, well, whenever I start it, so some days it's five, four, five, six days before, and other days it's the night before, but I think this one I did just last night.

1:57:48BubblemanAnd that hit was so strong tasting, it's still just completely, completely covering my throat and mouth and lips. It was the Red Congolese.

1:57:58Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it has now been signed into law, raise your glass and pull a bond rip for those medical patients here in PA that now have access to medical cannabis. Thank you very much. It's a start. Raise your head in glass.

1:58:15Etienne FontanWe don't get too often. We get to post some actual history happening on Hash Church, so congratulations.

1:58:21Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm drinking some CBD infused vodka that I got from my friend Marty yesterday and it tastes great.

1:58:29BubblemanAll right. I think vodka tastes like windshield washer fluid myself.

1:58:36SpeakerTo me it tastes like lighter fluid.

1:58:38Etienne FontanYeah, more like lighter fluid to me too, yeah.

1:58:42BubblemanI'll put some CBD in it.

1:58:47SpeakerMaybe some THC. I understand a lot of people out there either like CBD or they get medical benefit. I think you understand. I cross my fingers when I hear the word CBD.

1:59:05BubblemanSam consumes CBD almost as often as he consumes vodka.

1:59:12SpeakerNever.

1:59:15Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, but the exposure over the years to CBD, Sam, has probably led to some of the health benefits that you're exposing.

1:59:24SpeakerI mean, again, when you're exposed to... You've got to remember that the last couple of decades I've been smoking skunk resin, basically. It turns out that skunk doesn't have the... CBD synthase is disabled. It's non-functional. So I've been getting very little CBD.

1:59:54BubblemanVery little. Why don't you explain to people what that means, Sam?

1:59:59SpeakerWhat that means is that the way THC is produced in the plant is by having a THC synthase gene. And the same thing for CBD. It has to have a CBD synthase gene. And skunk number one, it just so happened, I didn't breed it like that, but at least not consciously, the CBD synthase gene is disabled. It's non-functional. It doesn't work. So it can't really produce CBD.

2:00:36SpeakerOr if it does, maybe there's an alternative synthase that I'm not familiar with and it can produce it in, you know, really tiny amounts. But, yeah, so what I was getting mostly was THC and terpenes.

2:00:51BubblemanTHC and terpenes. I can attest.

2:01:00Dr Mark ScialdoneSo, Sam, is it safe to say that if I ever see an analysis and it Claims to be skunk and there's CBD in there, that it's probably not skunk?

2:01:10SpeakerNo, it's not that simple because there's a lot of hybrids. There's a lot of other people making skunk seeds. Also, too, I don't believe that it's impossible for skunk to produce CBD. It's just that they did find a disabled CBD synthase gene. It was the Osele group working with, wasn't it Paige, I think, Chimera? No, it was McKernan, Mark, and this guy, Dr. Mark, or Marks, and what was the other guy's name?

2:01:51SpeakerI'll have to look up the paper.

2:01:55SpeakerWell, I thought it was really cool that when I first heard about it, I immediately told them, you know, well, of course I put the disabled CBD gene in there. Which is, you know, I was just totally joking.

2:02:11Dr Mark ScialdoneI didn't even know it. That's what you should name the skunk, or you should name the strain, the disabled CBD strain. George Weeblen, that's who it was.

2:02:23SpeakerOh, that's right, yeah. He used to be from the, in Maryland. Yeah, I think he still is. Okay, yeah. Marks, yeah.

2:02:38BubblemanI don't know how many of you have John and Mark right beside each other in the boxes, but they almost look like they're sitting just really close to each other, and like they're in the same room. It's kind of trippy. Me, Mark? At one point, John and Mark, you were looking at each other even, and I was kind of like, whoa, what the fuck? I was like, how did Mark get to John's?

2:03:01BubblemanLike, totally tripped me out.

2:03:03Etienne FontanIt was totally one of those, here's a story of a lovely lady. You're like, what? How'd that happen?

2:03:09BubblemanI think it was the bong rips. Could have been the turp dips, although...

2:03:15Etienne FontanWhere is D? Where is he? He's supposed to step in here and do his coin phrase. Where is he?

2:03:21BubblemanI definitely sent the link to him. I mean, sometimes I forget, but he did not get forgotten today, so I'm not sure where he is.

2:03:28Etienne FontanAnd where's Horatio? Horatio?

2:03:30BubblemanHoratio? I'll bet you he's sleeping. Horatio never sleeps.

2:03:40Dr Mark ScialdoneThat's just it. The body needs sleep at some point.

2:03:46BubblemanThen he's passed out. That's different.

2:03:52SpeakerAll that residual limonene.

2:03:57BubblemanOh, and then it's the cup, too, so I guess lots of people at the cup right now.

2:04:04BubblemanNot these people here, but a few.

2:04:07SpeakerWhere's the cup?

2:04:11Dr Mark ScialdoneBong ribs.

2:04:12SpeakerBernardino, I think, Sam. Tony's got a good drive ahead of him today. That'll be nice down the 101. Yeah?

2:04:23Etienne FontanIt's a bitching good drive on a Sunday. Everybody's out driving on a Sunday.

2:04:29SpeakerSam Barnadino, is he going to go over the grapevine, or I guess he'll come in down through Venture?

2:04:36Etienne FontanIt is different ways, but no, it's not the grapevine. It's a different way, I'm pretty sure.

2:04:42SpeakerNo, because it's southeast of that way. Right, so he's got to go all the way through L.A. too. What a pain in the ass. Wow.

2:04:52Etienne FontanYeah, I lived in L.A. for three years and stuff with Todd and everything, and yeah, it's fucking hell. I don't care what day of the week it is.

2:05:03SpeakerI was thinking Santa or Barbara, so I thought he'd go down through Paso Robles and then you get down towards the coast. It's really a beautiful drive.

2:05:10Etienne FontanThanks for that time. Because that's really a leisurely drive. It's something you want to speed through because, again, as I said, everybody's out driving on Sunday and Sunday driving. Yeah.

2:05:20SpeakerWe said he was taking the coast, so, you know.

2:05:26Etienne FontanHe'll make it there tomorrow.

2:05:33BubblemanKeep up with the chat here.

2:05:35Etienne FontanI wanted to give a shout-out. I wanted to give a thanks to... William Esperanza there from Grow Room for sending me a Grow Room hat. So, whoop whoop.

2:05:46BubblemanThanks. Very nice, very nice. I've worn that hat on a few Hash Church episodes. Seems to be the hat that I just like the way it fits my head. He's passed on a few over the years and needs to be the one I pick more often just to wear just because I like the way it feels.

2:06:05Etienne FontanSo how's the new hair? We see you're rocking the hair again this week as opposed to head on. Are you liking it?

2:06:10BubblemanI don't think about it too much, you know. It's just up there on the top of my head and it's, uh, it is what it is. The wife likes it.

2:06:18SpeakerThat's what's important. That is exactly what's important.

2:06:23Etienne FontanHey, has anybody said happy 420? It's happy 420 week, so happy 420. Happy 420.

2:06:29BubblemanWe did a little bit, but God, happy 420. I guess we should, uh, You can definitely rest in peace R.I.P. Howard Marks, Mr. Nice, who passed away in the last... Yeah.

2:06:41SpeakerR.I.P. Howard.

2:06:44Etienne FontanR.I.P. Howard. He was the original smuggler of the man for Europe. He led a way for a lot of people, so he's quite a legend. Not many hash makers or hash smugglers get movies and books made out of him.

2:07:02SpeakerI really enjoyed it, even though I've heard there's some questionable truth to some parts of it, but he's an excellent writer, and I suggest anybody read it.

2:07:12BubblemanYeah, Mr. Nice is definitely worth reading. I was lucky enough to get turned on to it. I'd been looking for it for a couple of years, just in used bookstores and stuff, and I was waiting for a ferry in the southeast of Asia. I think I was on an island called Koh Lanta Yai. And we were waiting for this boat to come, and this Australian guy came up to me and he said, he was like, hey, mate, I got this book I think you might like to read.

2:07:40BubblemanAnd he pulls it out of his backpack. It's like a patterned version of Mr. Nice, a seriously traveled version of Mr. Nice.

2:07:49SpeakerAnd so I was like super stoked.

2:07:51BubblemanI gave him a little piece of some Nepali finger hash that I had. He was super stoked. It was nice to be able to trade Nepali hash for, Mr. Nice, the book, and reading the book while traveling in Asia, having been in India and Korea and Thailand, it was, and recently having been in Europe in Lugano, it was like very cool to read about all these different places.

2:08:16BubblemanI actually stayed in a bunch of the different high-end hotels that he would mention in that book, and I'd be in Zurich or whatever. I'm like, oh, I'm going to stay at the Schweizer Haas.

2:08:25Etienne FontanThat's what you do when you're in Zurich or whatever.

2:08:28BubblemanIt was kind of a cool way to read that book, and yeah, it was definitely, I enjoyed it for sure. Definitely, like Chimera said, if you haven't read that book, it's for sure an entertaining story, if nothing else.

2:08:44SpeakerYeah, I like the part where he's on the boat and he finds the bug, and then what he does, what he decides to do with the bug, I think, whether it's true or not, it's a brilliant story. Yeah, it's funny. The best thing about Howard Marks is when he did get popped for being one of the largest slugglers in the world with cannabis, he kept his fucking mouth shut.

2:09:09SpeakerHe did his time, you know, and you got to respect people who, you know, keep their fucking mouth shut.

2:09:19Etienne FontanWell, I think that's why he's so respected and lauded in our community is because he did it right, as we call it. As we learn on the playground, as the cops learn, as they protect each other, you know, you don't rat on each other, end of story. And he carried that through, and I think that's, if he had ratted, we wouldn't even be speaking, we would never speak his name or even know his name.

2:09:41Etienne FontanBut because he is like, okay, I'm doing my time. Thank you for watching.

2:10:07SpeakerKing of Lies. No, that's hilarious. I always wondered how an anonymous guy could show up with the DEA to debate me at the University of Miami. How are you both an expert and anonymous, I asked him.

2:10:23SpeakerYou're a known expert, but nobody knows who you are. This is very interesting.

2:10:33SpeakerMaybe he was an expert at servicing the DEA. That is who he showed up with.

2:10:42BubblemanThat is definitely not the people to roll into the party with, let me tell you.

2:10:46Etienne FontanYou want to give everybody kind of a background, Todd? Because you're kind of being vague. I know what it is.

2:10:51SpeakerWell, all right. A background is back in way back in March of 1995, LV Musica, who at the time was like one of eight. Now she's one of two that gets medical cannabis from the federal government from their compassionate Yeah, I think they're down a two.

2:11:11SpeakerSay that again, Ryan? Say that again? That's just a, it's kind of a sad kind of statement of that, you know? Well, sadly, when, you know, 20 years ago, there were a, some of the patients have passed away, others have lost the doctors that were prescribing it to them and thus were, fell out of the program, but LV stayed with it and And Ivan Rosenfield, who we all know.

2:11:39SpeakerHe's a great guy. We can have him on sometime. He'd love this. But, well, anyhow, Elvie is based out of Florida, so she was invited by the Normal of Florida to come and debate basically the DEA as to why everybody should get the medicine she gets. And she brought me along because I had just recently gotten the So I wanted to go and, you know, see what the Southeast Quadrant leader of the DEA had to say about this.

2:12:12SpeakerSo I went, and someone else showed up. There was this impartial doctor who was anything but, and then there was this strange guy named Konsupsa who didn't give his real name, and he sat to the left of the DEA agent, and He just, it was weird. He was a real, he gave a real radical speech, but then later, I got to Holland, and I was showing the tape of the debate, because I recorded it on Hi8, to Adam Dunn, and Adam had the same equipment as me, and he had a remote control of cannabis in Amsterdam, and he caught, he noticed that when this guy Consupsa started talking, that The DEA agent, Wayne Rokes, literally, literally stopped him, put his hand on the guy's arm and said no.

2:13:06SpeakerI don't want to do that tonight. And then Consupsa says, no, you don't want to do that tonight, okay. And then goes into an entirely different, or whatever the fuck he was going to say. I was sitting two people over. I was sitting to the right of LV Musico, who was sitting to the right of the DEA, and I was at the end of the table. And I didn't really see that interaction until I saw it on the videotape.

2:13:32SpeakerAnd it tripped me out because, I mean, if you go into a debate and you control the thesis and the antithesis, you basically control the debate, if that makes sense. And by bringing in this radical, it can make the agent look to be very rational. And it's really an interesting thing. I mean, it's a very manipulative way of controlling the room.

2:13:56BubblemanI've seen the video of it. It's definitely trippy.

2:13:59SpeakerWell, I'd say, don't you have a video of it, Todd, that people can see? The video is up on my YouTube page at just Todd737. The thing is, I mean, you know, I didn't know who he was, and years and years later, I received a book in the mail while I was in prison, no less, and they didn't allow the book, but they allowed, like, they photocopied a little bit of it for me, which was creepy, too.

2:14:21SpeakerAnd they, they, really what it was was Consupsa was Joe Petrie, and he wrote the book, King of Nepal, and, and Finally, it kind of all came together for me that the guy that was there with the DEA wrote this basically tell-all confession book about his days in smuggling, and I mean, shit, he, when I got out of prison, I took a look at the book, and he basically lays out a very clear story of the people he interacted with, the things he did, and he does it in a bolsterous way, but to me, It's just telling on everybody that ever fucking touched his life.

2:14:58SpeakerI don't know how else to put it. From what I understand from his history, he didn't do any time in prison. He didn't self-surrender and fucking get out five years later. He was looking like he was doing the fucking debate circuit with the Southeast Quadrant leader of the DEA because they looked like they had it worked out. Todd, read page 53. He clearly states that he cooperated with American agents to get people busted with the 500 kilo load of Pashish to get out of jail himself.

2:15:29SpeakerWell, it makes sense. I mean, you know, I honestly don't have the book anymore. I was just grossed out by the whole guy experience. But, you know, it's not the first. I mean, how many people are in this movement that have been compromised, to be honest? I mean, not a lot of people show up stoned and smiling to self-surrender to prison, you know? No.

2:15:51BubblemanThat's for sure.

2:15:54Etienne FontanAnd that's why we don't talk about that rat in his book and all that other shit because, you know, he won't be ended up lauded like Howard was. And this all started with Howard who unfortunately passed away. But, you know, you were fortunate to give him an award, weren't you, Todd?

2:16:09SpeakerNo, no, no, no. Ben presented him with a Cannabis Culture Award before he passed away. It was a really beautiful experience because he had ran into a lot of problems and, you

2:16:25SpeakerAnd health-wise, and he had had, he ran into problems getting to Amsterdam from London, and we literally held up, you remember, Mark, we held up the whole event and waited for him to arrive, and when he arrived, he was in such frail health, and I think it shocked all of us, you know, and, you know, people were getting impatient and such, because it was a good 90 minutes to almost two hours we waited, seated, trying to kill time, waiting for him to come, and I'm When he came, it was a magical moment.

2:16:54SpeakerYou know, Mark did a great job of capturing it on video, as he often does, and Ben did a little video that's like a tribute video and, you know, got to thank him for being in the Culture High. I mean, if you look at the Culture High and realize that was filmed just 24 months before Mark's video in Amsterdam when he got the award, you can see how rapidly his health declined.

2:17:15SpeakerAnd he was still such a brave soul throughout it. You know, such a beaming, smiling face. And his energy was just so positive. And anyone that met him, I think, felt touched. He really did go down quickly. That was sad. But again, that's what happens. You smoke cigarettes for that long, dude. Well, life catches up to us on any level. You know, we can look at, you know, being...

2:17:43SpeakerYou know, a raw food vegan or something like Paul McCartney's wife was and you can still not escape the Grim Reaper, you know. So we all just have to treasure the moments we get no matter how we get them. Yeah. Because they're special. Yeah. That's very wise. Amen. Anyway, RIP Howard. Thanks for the memories.

2:18:03BubblemanYeah, let's have a puff.

2:18:06BubblemanA little pufferoo, a little dry sift, a little bubble, a little rosin. Shit, I'm going in deep. I'm going in deep.

2:18:18SpeakerThanks, West Coast Concentrate. I'm going to turn dip, too. I'm going to do the West Coast Concentrate 120. It's amazing. It really is.

2:18:30Etienne FontanWhat are you puffing on out there? What are you puffing on, Don, man?

2:18:40BubblemanWell, I am about to puff on some of D420K's 95% plus heads. I haven't microscoped it yet, but you said it should be at least 95. Dry sift, it's really nice. It's called ice cream. It's got a real nice flavor and smell to it. I put in a little PK90 Micron from West Coast Concentrate, super greasy, full melt, six star. I put in a little rosin that is extremely stable shatter that I also got from the West Coast Concentrate.

2:19:12BubblemanAnd I guess I'm going to dip it into a terp. I'm not quite sure which one.

2:19:20BubblemanMaybe the Kush Cleaner.

2:19:22SpeakerOkay, so I'm going to laugh because that's what I have in my hand right now. I'm going to try it, and I also have the West Coast concentrate. You guys are, they hooked it up, man. Actually, he hooked it up. Oh, and Morpheus just came in to say hello.

2:19:42BubblemanAll right. Well, we're having a puff in Howard's honor.

2:19:48Etienne FontanI can't believe I'm Oakland X-Facts.

2:19:55Etienne FontanThat's Morpheus.

2:20:01Etienne FontanI thought that was you.

2:20:09Etienne FontanWhat are you puffing on, Chimera?

2:20:14SpeakerMental floss, 15 minute spin. It hasn't even been cleaned up or anything. Here's a cannabis label from one of Howard's loads. Nice. A 1022.

2:20:32BubblemanThat's ridiculous that you have that, Sam. You are on another level right now. Like, that is just ridiculous.

2:20:39SpeakerYeah, Sam's collection always goes on and on and on, doesn't it? There's so many different aspects of different parts of cannabis culture, from books to labels to patches.

2:20:51Etienne FontanI was about to say the patches.

2:20:54SpeakerSeeds. I mean, hell.

2:20:59BubblemanFucking epic. A multi-ton load. He's just got the fucking... Yeah, this is a label from one of Howard's loads. People are like, what?

2:21:08Etienne FontanSo, Sam, I'm not trying to be morbid here, but do you have somebody who is a successor to your collection so that it won't be lost or scattered to the world?

2:21:18SpeakerI was going to put it on eBay to the highest bidder. Why? You want to bid? No, I'm just fucking with you.

2:21:28Etienne FontanI just don't want to see that lost. You have such a great collection of various different things. I just want to make sure that they're not lost to history.

2:21:36SpeakerYeah, well, one thing I haven't done is I have not collected marijuana labels from the last, say, decade or so. So all the current ones are Colorado or anything. I don't have any of it. I wish I did, but... It just got impossible to keep... Others, I believe, have that collection.

2:22:01Etienne FontanYou have that collection that is much more worthwhile. The old ones from the 80s and, you know, 90s, I mean, 70s, I mean, come on, those are prime labels. I've seen pictures that Todd has taken, but, I mean, that is fucking epic. If anything, those should be made into books. Yeah. Published.

2:22:19BubblemanHands down, you should... Sophisticated skunk, that's your buddy. Yep, it is.

2:22:25Etienne FontanHe was probably the best. Have you thought about doing that there, Sam? Of actually publishing those?

2:22:32SpeakerWell, I thought about it, but I don't know if I'll ever do it.

2:22:37Etienne FontanFair enough. Well, that's why I want to make sure that, you know, your collection is left to somebody who will appreciate it and document it accordingly. So, it doesn't throw in the, you know... Blueberry hills.

2:22:49SpeakerIt never would be, but it's, I mean, dude, it's so extensive. Like, I don't even know how you'd find one person that could actually... I mean, who's going to pay what that's actually worth? There's very few people that collect like that. But it is an incredible... Originally, I was thinking in opening a museum. But I've been down and I saw the Benz Museum in Barcelona. And wow, what an amazing place.

2:23:15SpeakerI mean, it's as good as I could imagine. You know, it really, really is top quality. Yeah, Benz is pretty cool, but your stuff is pretty cool too. I think Ben has created a gift for the whole world of cannabis lovers with his Barcelona Museum. To think that it took him 12 years to put it together and I mean it's just got love in every detail. It's absolutely so beautiful.

2:23:47SpeakerReally incredible. Everyone that loves cannabis should make it a point to go and visit this place because it really You know, one thing that's really odd, Todd, is he actually gets a higher head count in the Amsterdam one than in the Barcelona one. At this time, yes. I mean, the thing is the red light district has a lot more traffic walking through it on that street that is, you know, hundreds of years old and populated.

2:24:20SpeakerThen that old palace does at the edge of the, really at the edge of the Rambla by the Marina. So it's a really a huge difference, you know. I think it's a tourist population. A high percentage of the youth that come to Amsterdam are here for cannabis related issues. Yeah, I mean you also got over two decades of marketing with Amsterdam and Barcelona not so much. Yeah.

2:24:49SpeakerWe've got to get more people aware of it, and as more people go to Barcelona as the new cannabis center of Europe, whereas I believe Amsterdam is the old center of cannabis energy in Europe, not to diss my friends in Amsterdam, it's just, hey, even they have moved down there. And with me it was as simple as the Barcelona collection is easily four, five, six times as good.

2:25:16SpeakerBut they have a higher population coming into the Amsterdam one just because I guess it's location, location, location. Yeah, I think the location that he's got in Spain and Barcelona is going to be, I mean that will develop over five, ten years and be a bumping area. It's a pretty nice area. You know? Oh, I agree. The building itself is nothing less than incredible. Yeah, yeah. It shows Ben the visionary in Ben because look, you know, to think he bought the building in 2000 long before a lot of that was happening down there.

2:25:55SpeakerIt's awesome. Yeah. It's really cool. When we opened it in 2012, there was not that many smokers clubs even out there yet. You know, I think there wasn't very many at all actually.

2:26:10BubblemanThey're on point with what they're producing these days, man, I'll tell you. I like going to Barcelona for the hash.

2:26:17SpeakerAbsolutely. You know, a lot of the seed producers moved down there because it was, you know, the Southern California experience and they could grow and they could do greenhouses and then as Spain became more economically depressed, there was less of a chance you were going to get busted unless you pissed off some locals that knew somebody. So there was lots of opportunity to go down there and that's basically what they did, you know, so.

2:26:39SpeakerYou know, it's kind of cool. But as that changed too, you know, and people became bolder with the social clubs, now it's become a new scene. I think culture is the new commodity in cannabis, if that makes sense. Because can you bring together people? Because that's really what I think the cannabis consumer wants now. They want the experience of You know, what bars have, which is go out and have a drink with your friends or a coffee.

2:27:04SpeakerGo have a coffee and a morning chat on, you know, this is something that's kind of been denied us.

2:27:10Etienne FontanAnd that's what I've seen to see as well when I was in Barcelona and makes me want to go back is to see the cultural scene coming around it where people are going out as groups and getting cannabis together and are sitting together and having, you know, having great times. I mean, we went to what, four different Facilities in every place was kicking in one way, shape, or form.

2:27:30Etienne FontanSo the scene is definitely taking off. It's just more people have to be aware of what's happening. But it seems along the local Barcelonians, it's definitely understood and happening.

2:27:45BubblemanYeah, and I think people are stoked from all over Europe to go to Barcelona for these events, you know, to, you know, why Spanibus is such a big event because it's like, man, it's a win-win. Of course I want to go down to Barcelona and be around a ton of, you know, cannabis-focused people, go to a bunch of different parties, eat great food, and be in nice weather because Barcelona in March is pretty choice.

2:28:10SpeakerYou know, what's funny, Mark, is you have to like the way that Spannabiz does their Spannabiz Award. It takes about 20 minutes or a half an hour, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am, and it's over.

2:28:26BubblemanYeah, it's true. It's true. It's the most unbelievable thing ever.

2:28:36BubblemanJust reading the chat as it gets quiet. I'm always reading the chat when everyone decides not to talk anymore. That's funny. I've been trying to pay attention more to the chat. We need a cricket button, you know, like a little like, wing, wing.

2:28:48SpeakerI was going to say I squished the whole 18 samples in two hours and six minutes. Nice, nice. So that wasn't bad. I got a couple favorites. That's about it. That's about all I can say about that right now. What's your favorite one, John? Well, you know what? I'm tossed up out of the three there. I'm going to give you my top three. It's going to be O, Q, and E. They squished the nicest.

2:29:20SpeakerThey had the nicest fragrance. They all had different flavors. One stood out more than the other two.

2:29:32SpeakerYeah. I'm happy. It wasn't that bad. You know what? There wasn't anything in there that was totally awful, so it was all pretty good. So pretty good sample pack.

2:29:46BubblemanAnd what do you do? Do you go tonight to do that at a concert with Snoop or something?

2:29:51SpeakerYeah, it's at 420 Sound Club, and I think it opens, I don't know, vendors are there between 5 and 6 for setup. Nice. And then from then it's for the rest of the night. Snoop comes on probably later. He's on for a two-hour set. There's a couple of openings.

2:30:05BubblemanThey'll buy in at like 10.30.

2:30:07SpeakerYeah, he'll probably get on stage at midnight and close out one. People will show up at 11. For the last event, he showed up around 10.30 and it was really good. He was on the stage for quite some time. He was in and out, but it was a good event, so expecting more. He's got 25 special were put inside. If you had a sticker on one of the meditators and it had actually their logo on it, Yeah.

2:30:32SpeakerFor the event. And then if it had the Smoker's Bowl little sticker on it, you get one of 25 people get to meet Snoop Dogg. So it's pretty up close and personal with it being that fortunate it's a small event. So it's going to be pretty cool. I'm looking really forward to it. It'll be a fun night.

2:30:49BubblemanExcellent, dude. Well, I'm sure we'll see all sorts of pictures on your social media of it once it's done.

2:30:56SpeakerOh, probably for sure. Smoke weed every day.

2:31:02BubblemanIndeed. I try to smoke cannabis resin every day.

2:31:08SpeakerI'm smoking resin. Oh, Morpheus just agreed with you.

2:31:20SpeakerI'm doing a bone read. That's a good idea.

2:31:26BubblemanWhat's going on in the world of cannabis around the world these days? There's so many things going on. It's hard to pinpoint epic forward motions in the scene. I guess Pennsylvania will be today's big one. Getting that signed in is a pretty big deal. Not just for, you know, it always happens the same way. It's always like, well, we need it right away for these people that are like extremely, extremely, of course those people should have it yesterday, but then let's let everyone have it today.

2:32:02SpeakerWell, 420 is a big day, you know, the United Nations is meeting us. It's going to be, see what's going to outcome from that. It's going to be definitely some kind of big change.

2:32:13BubblemanIt would be historic if they just squashed that stupid fucking treaty.

2:32:17SpeakerYeah. I'd be really interested in what's going to happen. Of course, 420 around the world, you know. It's got to be a good one. Sunset Beach for Vancouver is going to be awesome. Got a huge screen, big beach. It's going to be really epic, and the weather's going to be 20 degrees. I just looked at it. It's sunny. It's going to be just a perfect day to be on the beach and for a big 420 event.

2:32:39BubblemanDid you see the lady from the Aquatic Center, what she said? Yeah, I did see that.

2:32:45SpeakerI hope it pours. Well, it's going to be gorgeous sunny day.

2:32:51BubblemanMan, I couldn't believe she said that.

2:32:53SpeakerNo, they cancelled the, didn't they close the Aquatic Center today?

2:32:57BubblemanOh, they're closing the Aquatic Center, absolutely.

2:32:59SpeakerYeah, they're absolutely closing that off the side. They're afraid it's going to be a big hot box for all of us.

2:33:05BubblemanYou know what, I have to say realiztically, because of the size of the fans they have that are sucking air from outside into that place,

2:33:13SpeakerProbably would.

2:33:14BubblemanThey would have probably filled that place up with smoke more than any other place could possibly fill up with smoke in the near vicinity. Because one thing for sure is when the joints do get lit, it's borderline ridiculous. It is ridiculous. When it was in the city... It would travel for blocks and be like on the seventh floor up a staircase of a building. Like it was just unbelievable how much that smell could travel.

2:33:43SpeakerOh yeah, you can Google, I mean just Google 420 Vancouver, you'll see videos of the smoke rising up. That would be a good one to have your drone at actually.

2:33:53BubblemanYeah, exactly. I think Addison had his drone at 420 this year or last year. Last year or the year before, sorry. Because he's got some footage of the thing going straight up. I got a pretty epic panoramic shot from John's hotel room on the fifth or sixth floor across the street of the whole crowd. I also have video of the joints getting lit and the smoke becoming just a cloud of people.

2:34:20BubblemanIt looks pretty fucking insane. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff.

2:34:25SpeakerWell, this year we got the penthouse suite overlooking the whole thing, so it'll be some really good video coverage and stuff like that. What penthouse?

2:34:38BubblemanVancouver's also got all sorts of different penthouses. What penthouse do you think, Johnny B?

2:34:42SpeakerRight on the corner, just overlooking the beach house, so if you look right down on 420, right on the corner on there, we're overlooking... Is it like an Airbnb?

2:34:50BubblemanYeah, it's an Airbnb. They're awesome. Nice. I was thinking it was like a hotel or something. So right on.

2:34:58SpeakerIt was, I got some, I got Medtender US coming up for a few days, stuff like that, so some good meetings and stuff, and of course having a place downtown for all the events just made more sense because it was cheaper than running a hotel. That does make sense. We did that back in like January, so it was like a smart thing to do. And it's really going to be good for everybody because we're going to have some good coverage from filming out of the corner of the suite.

2:35:23SpeakerAnd it'll be really good. It'll be cool. Awesome.

2:35:29BubblemanAirbnb for the win. Except when you Airbnb your place for more than two couples or two people, i.e. bedrooms. Then the third bedroom for sure, if you're in Spain, is going to be like for a child and you're going to end up sleeping on like a cardboard mattress with a... I'm just saying, it happens.

2:35:53BubblemanCrickets. Crickets, I tell you.

2:36:01SpeakerNo, but now I'm painting stairs and getting things ready and busy, busy, and I'm going to like...

2:36:08BubblemanYeah, when do you go to downtown to your hotel? On the 20th or the 19th? Oh, in three hours. Oh, in three hours, dude. You're starting today.

2:36:18SpeakerYeah, everything because of Snoop Dogg tonight, and I've got to start setting up there, and it's kind of involved with that, so I'm there all night, so I might as well check in for tonight, and then there's tomorrow, and then there's Tuesday, got people flying in, and of course, 420th parking was really a smart thing about everything, so it was just kind of Oh, it's needed. It was, yeah, I got a vacation in town doing, hanging out with 420.

2:36:47BubblemanVery good. I'm going to do 420 in Toronto and Vancouver as I fly home on 420.

2:36:53SpeakerThat's, yeah, you're going to do that awesome little speech there and stuff like that at that conference. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. We'll check it out. Well, you'll probably make it to the same, you'll get down to R420 and you'll be filming out of my place again this year, maybe, taking your shots like you did last year.

2:37:14BubblemanI'll definitely, if I'm down there, I will definitely get in touch and come see you guys wherever you may be. I'm sure you'll probably open an apartment that I want to be down in the thick of it.

2:37:26SpeakerYeah, it's going to be fun. Hopefully it's going to, the weather's going to hold, it looks like it's going to, so definitely looking forward to everybody coming on down, lots of people coming from out of town, lots of people flying in, so it's definitely going to be a really, really cool event. They've got this huge stage, got some good acts going on, and of course the sun's going to be shining, so what a place to be is on the beach.

2:37:50SpeakerSunset Beach.

2:37:51BubblemanAgainst that woman's wishes from the Aquatic Center, who, when she said that quote, I swear they should have quoted her the Grinch. You know, it's like, I hope it pours. People who use cannabis are gathering on a beach, and she hopes it pours. This is the problem with the world. As long as you hope it pours when cannabis users want to gather... You are a part of the problem.

2:38:21BubblemanThe sun will shine.

2:38:24SpeakerShe's hoping it'll pour. That's kind of like hoping it'll squish.

2:38:30BubblemanThat's what she's saying. She's hoping the raws will pour. You're right, dude. She's ahead.

2:38:37SpeakerThey know that there's absolutely nothing they can do on that day. I mean, there's what, 25,000 people show up out there? Oh, I hope more than 25,000 show up.

2:38:46BubblemanWe're going to pull more.

2:38:49SpeakerI mean, that's pretty major. That's pretty amazing.

2:38:53BubblemanHow many people go down for the fireworks to that same area? 50,000. 50,000?

2:39:00SpeakerYeah, I think it's like 50,000. Damn, fireworks pulling in more people than ganja? Well, they line both sides of the river. It's whoever can get the best site, right? Well, there's a lot of boats that are being rented. I know that through a lot of other different organizations, through some big companies, they've rented boats to be on the water. And so I guarantee you it'll be full of boats too.

2:39:22SpeakerSo there'll be more. That's where we're going to get excessive, where there's going to be a lot of people on boats on the water too. So it's going to be really cool. A lot of private parties going on. I've been invited to a few. I'm just going to be hanging out with the peeps and having some fun.

2:39:39BubblemanSounds like a good time. 420 happening all over the world. People gathering April 20th.

2:39:46Dr Mark ScialdoneNo matter where you are. This is going to be a real special 420 because I think the genie is more out of the bottle on this 420 than it's been on previous 420s. It's gotten to where, again, I don't know if you guys saw this, but this... Totino's Pizza Rolls, which is made by the multinational food conglomerate, $18 billion company, General Mills, has got a big advertisement on Colfax Avenue saying that 420 is better with pizza rolls or something like that.

2:40:28Dr Mark ScialdoneI saw it.

2:40:28BubblemanIt said something even weirder. It was more like... What did it say? Because I saw the way it was written. It was slick.

2:40:37Dr Mark ScialdoneIt says 420 is better on pizza rolls. I'm looking at the… Is that what it said?

2:40:43SpeakerThey did it in a way that it was deniable, but it was cannabis. They were just being cute. The notion that, again, you have the invention of General Mills.

2:40:54Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, this is a huge company. Well, that was it.

2:40:58BubblemanStock up before 20.

2:41:02Etienne FontanB4, 420, see if it's not playing.

2:41:05BubblemanThat's the one I saw. Stock up, B4, backslash 20, and then it's these pizza roll things.

2:41:13Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, the one that I'm going to have here is 420 is better on pizza rolls. Here, I'll post the link here in the chat, but this is the kind of thing, again, where you can only acknowledge this market doesn't exist for so long. Before businesses are just going to be like, holy shit, there's a huge opportunity for us to get in here and to play in a big way.

2:41:40Dr Mark ScialdoneI don't know, I think that this 420 is going to be even, it's going to just keep getting better. Every 420 in the future is just going to get better and better, I think.

2:41:52SpeakerWe are a huge emerging demographic and they see us financially now more than they've ever seen us before. There's no question about it.

2:42:03Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, and I think, you know, Hash Church has actually played a role in getting the message out. I mean, we reach a lot of people and

2:42:12SpeakerThe message that we're getting out to folks is... Well, I mean, not to, you know, I think this is groovy, but I was saying the same message in 2009 when I was doing promos with NPR for my THC Expo at the Convention Center in Los Angeles because I felt that it was true back then. You know, we were seeing more people getting involved and into the industry, you know, 10 years ago because, you know, the...

2:42:36SpeakerWhen SB 420 here in California passed and it basically somewhat regulated cannabis clubs is when you started seeing a lot of bravery with the dispensaries starting to pop up. And it was amazing living in LA and seeing upwards of a thousand pot shops open up in a couple year period it felt like. They were everywhere. And I just think that that was attributed to people feeling like there was no real threat of conviction like there used to be.

2:43:03SpeakerAnd this is something where I feel like, you know, they can put all the restrictions on the laws they want and we can sit here and cry over the details and fight over the details. But the truth is the details matter very little. And I think that, you know, there's this psychological and sociological way we all think in a community that You can try to herd kittens all you want, but I think we're a bunch of idealistic kittens in a way, doing what we want, playing how we want, making what we want, and, you know, prohibition didn't work for shit for them coming along and telling us what to do, and stupid, stringent regulations when they know Thanks for watching.

2:44:05SpeakerYou know, the details are great, but look at how it really happens in the real world. And when people feel like there's an opportunity, they take it because, you know, hey, we're all going to die someday. So if we legalize our activities, I don't know. I think the details will work themselves out in the end all over the place, if that makes sense. You know, just stop arresting people for cannabis is really, I think, my first mission.

2:44:30Dr Mark ScialdoneA waste of resources, a waste of valuable resources when they Should be using those resources to treat addicts of opiates, which are the legalized drugs, which are the real problems in society today, not cannabis.

2:44:44SpeakerYeah. There's so many things we could be spending our resources on other than chasing around people with a pocket full of flowers. It's not even funny. I mean, they should be counting guns and stockpiling of weapons more than they should be in my basement worrying about how many fucking flowers are under my light. It's silly.

2:45:04Dr Mark ScialdoneAgreed.

2:45:06SpeakerBut isn't that where it's all going? It's all changing. We're getting our freedoms little by little, and I think we shouldn't lose sight of that. That's really what we're after. Don't lock us up anymore.

2:45:21BubblemanWell, I'm looking forward to our part two, to our Canadian little project here with the MMAR. It'll be interesting to see if all Canadians are now able to be able to grow plants, if there's plant number limitations or if it's a weight limitation. The limitations we have had have always been fairly reasonable in the sense that you could have kilos and kilos of product, even extracts, and hopefully it stays that way.

2:45:49SpeakerWell, can I just point something out? Cannabis is hard in that way because it's such a productive plant. And, you know, you can tell Mother Nature to back off, but have you ever stood next to a redwood tree? She does what she wants. And the truth is, is everybody has the freedom to grow pot. There's a whole lot of it everywhere because she is, like, not withholding when it comes to growers.

2:46:12SpeakerAnd once you get into it, yeah. You'll have more of it than you know what to do. I think that's what's going to happen with cannabis. You're easily going to get to a place where more people have more of it and have no one to sell it to because everyone has it.

2:46:33SpeakerIn the not too different future.

2:46:36Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd that will be a good day.

2:46:37SpeakerYeah, it ain't going to be worth shit. And I love it. Everybody can make their dry sift and throw away 90% of their harvest because they won't give a fuck. They'll just harvest more.

2:46:47BubblemanOr plant more.

2:46:51SpeakerNobody will be ripping off their plants because they got their own garden to tend. It'll be a totally different. Mainly the same reason there aren't tomato thieves. I don't know anybody that gets jacked for their tomato gardens. Think of that.

2:47:08Etienne FontanJust birds.

2:47:10SpeakerBirds, yeah. Animals, yeah. Okay. So now the only thing I have to worry about is little four-legged creatures stealing my crops. That'd be great.

2:47:20Etienne FontanYeah, but this is what we're all working for. We're all working for that utopia. We're all trying to strive to finally arrive there. We were told 20 years ago that it would never happen in our lifetime, and here we are