Legal Victory and Hemp in Turkey

0:02BubblemanHello, hello, hello. Welcome everybody to episode 110 of Hash Church. Just got caught up a little bit in the chat room there, thus we're starting about a minute off time as we normally do. Let me just get everything going, get the invites in, get the chat muted right off the bat, which is always... Send that out over to Chimera. Send this one out to the Facebook crew.

0:34BubblemanSend this one over to Mr. Jean, Mr. Indra. I think that's about it right there. That should bring some people into the room. Got a good amount of people chatting in the old chat room today. Yeah.

0:53BubblemanYeah, we started it out a little funny. Someone was asking a question on how much money we will make more money if opposition 64 passes, if OMA, the bill passes. And I just said, I said, if you honestly think that the people who spend their four hours a day coming for nothing, not to be paid, not to make any money, to come and share their time and energy with you, if you honestly think that our mission is to manipulate laws so that we're making more money, Thank you to stop watching Hash Church right now.

1:25BubblemanJust turn it off and go jump into a pool or something. I don't know, but that's definitely not the issue at hand here. Welcome, Etienne, to the room.

1:35Etienne FontanYou mean we're not doing this for the money, man? Come on. I mean, I thought, you know, all that sponsorship money that we're getting and all these tons of money that we're making doing this, volunteering every Sunday. I mean, my bankroll's just deep, dog. It's crazy. I can't believe how much...

1:52BubblemanMoney I wish I'd make. That's pretty insulting, actually. I'm not going to lie. Like, holy shit. Like, hey, look at that crew. We got a big crew coming in today. Not only a Sam in the house, we brought the Chimera Duck and Robert Mouse with him. Howdy, howdy.

2:11Etienne FontanWell, hi, gang.

2:14BubblemanYou got a whole gang with you?

2:15SpeakerYeah. The myth and the rumor is, but we'll see what happens. The myth and the rumor.

2:23Etienne FontanThe Rotten Toe Gang. Oh man, look at that crew. I mean, Sam, you get to save a lot on smoke if those are your actual guests.

2:34SpeakerThat would be true if either one of them had any smoke.

2:39Etienne FontanOf course, you're the provider and blessings for providing. It's official. I officially beat the government. It happened officially. They've signed it. So, I'm here celebrating. They actually tried to screw me last minute, people. The government changed the language in the settlement to without prejudice, which means they could have come at me from another angle or from 280E or through another case, but... I had to go into court on Monday and say, throw that out and challenge the government again.

3:12Etienne FontanAnd they were pissed. And then next thing I know, Tuesday, they sent across the paperwork with prejudice language, which means not only can they not come after me, I have immunity. Wow. Big victory.

3:27BubblemanAnd you were promised that because of your pro-OMA 64?

3:32Etienne FontanOh yeah, only because I'm pro-64, man.

3:34SpeakerOtherwise, if I was against 64... No, no, it was because he agreed to testify against every other dispensary in California.

3:41Etienne FontanOh, you caught me.

3:42BubblemanGosh darn it. I heard it on Hash Church. I know it's true.

3:49Etienne FontanYeah, yeah, that's how we make all that money, man. But no, I have to give major thanks to my lawyers, Lara and Henry Wykowski. They've been with me for five years fighting this, and to actually get that signature from the government and have it filed is beyond humbling, and now I can move on with my life.

4:11SpeakerWelcome, John. Thanks.

4:14Etienne FontanCongratulations. Thank you very much, Indra. Humbled and honored. Hi, Mark. Welcome. Dr. Scaldone. Hey, guys. How are you? Hold on. Someone's at the door.

4:27SpeakerSomeone's at the door.

4:30Etienne FontanWell, I just want to say is whenever you get challenged in life, sometimes you have to believe in yourself when no one else believes in you. And you have to believe in this plant and your patience when no one else does. So, Just a further reminder to stay true to yourself and believe in the plant that you love and anything is possible if you believe hard enough and actually have the right legal team.

4:54Etienne FontanBut just want to say thank you all.

4:57SpeakerThat's the way you have to do that every single day, ATN. You have to take that same mindset every single day. Otherwise, somebody will toss a banana peel in front of you when you're not looking.

5:10Etienne FontanI completely agree and stay humble through it and just trudge, trudge.

5:14SpeakerThere is a reason why bankers and lawyers end up with mostly everything.

5:21Etienne FontanThat's a fact, man. It costs definitely over a million dollars to fight this thing. I mean, it costs a lot of money. So if you think we're sitting here profiting, that's kind of rich. But, you know, you have to do what's right sometimes, and sometimes it takes fighting. Long time. And it cost me everything, including my private life, you know, along the way. So it's not easy.

5:44Etienne FontanBut at the same time, if you believe in it, anything is possible. And now we move on to 64. I know all these anti-people are like, how could you guys actually be supporting this crazy-ass law? But... Too many of us have watched too many of our brothers and sisters go to jail, and I want to see my friend Todd get his court case get tossed and other people stop going to jail for this plant.

6:06Etienne FontanSo, yeah, we're going to continue to say yes on 64 as much as you hate it. We've got another one more Sunday before Election Day here, America.

6:15SpeakerI agree with you. I say yes on 64. And recently somebody posted in one of my threads that I'm posting in, That Tom Alexander from Sims Media Tips was voting no on Prop 64. So I contacted him. He contacted me back. He says, well, whoever it is doesn't know me. I'm voting yes.

6:37Etienne FontanYeah, Tom's been one of the earlier supporters of it, you know, and I've been very fortunate to, you know, see him constantly put out more information. And, you know, this is the problem that we're having with these prohibitionists who want to see prohibition continue is they're just making up lies, direct lies and misinformation, trying to confuse people with no, you know, thought of the truth in any way, shape, or form, because most of them wouldn't, I haven't even read 64.

7:07Etienne FontanThey're just believing what people are telling them and trying to stave off with lies and misinformation.

7:13SpeakerI thought the government did that sort of stuff.

7:16Etienne FontanBaba Rob.

7:18BubblemanWell, that and churches. That and churches, yeah. Oh, shit. Are we a church?

7:25Etienne FontanWelcome, Rob. How are you, sir?

7:26SpeakerAlive and well, thanks.

7:30Etienne FontanAlive and well. That's good. How was Turkey? You were a very diligent man.

7:35SpeakerYeah, I did a lot of time in Turkey this summer and this autumn. I just got back, really, and it was good. It was good. I got along well with everybody. We got a lot of work done. It was nice.

7:49Etienne FontanAnd how was the crop there in Turkey coming along?

7:52SpeakerIt was all peace and love, so very good.

7:55Etienne FontanHow was the crop in Turkey coming along?

7:58SpeakerEverybody got what they wanted, I guess. Their seeds, that's farming, you know. Seeds get eaten by birds and... Sometimes your fiber plants get gray. You know that stuff that happens when they get little gray mold spots. There's nothing you can do about that. We can bleach it later, I suppose, but that's not the point. It's value as a crop is knocked down. And, yeah, farmers have to suffer with these sorts of things.

8:24BubblemanThe weather. They weather the weather.

8:26SpeakerThey weather the weather. Some do better than others. Well, I saw some of the photographs that Robert took of the harvest and of them, Preparing the fiber, was that from last year or this year? That's this year. This year? Well, let me tell you, it was beautiful golden. It was really, really, really quite nice.

8:47Etienne FontanIs it field-readed or is it soak-readed?

8:50SpeakerThey were pond-reading it. Maybe they do it in the field first to dry it and free the leaves and stuff, but then they were pond-reading it. Yeah, it's definitely pond-readed, all of it.

9:03BubblemanThose of you that don't know what pond dreading is, they lay the hemp down in water and it just, it removes the, it eventually, I guess it creates bowing, is that what it does? The fibers release from the cellulose? Yeah, it softens.

9:18SpeakerThat's a bow string is a test for whether it's dreaded long enough. Yeah, basically it lies in the water. Bundles of dry hemp stalks get put down.

9:38SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

10:05SpeakerThey all do it a little bit different. The whole rope trip is far out. Cultivations, where it's still done is the way it's been done for a long time. I don't think it has changed much at all. And the rope making is the same. But each area has different ways of making rope. Not surprising.

10:23Etienne FontanSo by soaking it in these large pools, people, the lignin, which is a natural glue, tends to soften and it's able to actually, you peel the fiber directly off of the hemp herd.

10:35SpeakerIt swells the fiber is what it does. Water does not dissolve lignin. Lignin is very insoluble in water. So what it's doing is it's swelling the fiber. And as the fiber swells, the fibers will tend to separate.

10:50BubblemanVery nice. Well, luckily hemp has a much smaller lignin concentrations than say tree trees. Right.

10:56SpeakerA whole lot lower. And so as much lignin is in trees, they need to add chemicals to stoichiometrically remove it. So it takes about, it's so nasty. Yeah. It takes about 10 times the amount of, Thank you for joining us.

11:34SpeakerNot in this particular circumstance. No, it's for sowing seed. And the only other production I've heard about that's sort of for food use is for bird seed. People basically didn't eat it there. They may have a long time ago, but recent historically, the last hundred years, you do read about linseed oil presses, but yeah, more common probably than hemp seed oil. Do they even bother collecting the seeds?

12:04SpeakerYeah, sure, nothing goes to waste. I mean, of course they would.

12:08Etienne FontanI was going to say, what do they do with the flowering tops?

12:10SpeakerIf they have excess, they would do something with them, I suppose. Feed them to the chickens. It's a threatened land-raised variety, too, so it needs to be saved and repropagated. Yeah, I mean, they can't go buy seeds at the market. They need their own seeds. Would that be a variety that would do well here in the U.S., Rob? Maybe, depending on where you are and what your regulations are, but yeah, maybe.

12:36SpeakerIt's not EU certified or anything like that.

12:39Etienne FontanSo do they have processing equipment there or are they sending it to another country for processing?

12:44SpeakerNo, they do everything they need to do right there. By hand, the old fashioned way.

12:50Etienne FontanSo fields are close to the manufacturing facilities or is it just all going to be done by hand mostly?

12:56SpeakerAs close as possible and everything, almost everything is done by hand these days. So, yeah, there's never been any big mechanized farming in this area. Even, you know, even 40, 50 years ago when it was big business. Now all these areas were, what, 19 provinces where hemp was grown not that long ago. It's just less and less every year, really. But it's all legal and legitimate businesses, so come back, make a comeback, I suppose.

13:28SpeakerThat'd be great. That'd be excellent. But in most places, like in most places in Eastern Europe, it's just on the decline. There's no big areas that are growing and it's not even as much going on as Eastern Europe.

13:43Etienne FontanWas this French EUC that you were using?

13:46BubblemanNo, no, this is a land race.

13:48SpeakerIt's growing there forever.

13:50Etienne FontanOkay, it's just perpetuated by local farmers and so you're able to get enough stock to do the fields?

13:55SpeakerYep, exactly. Hey, we lost Bubble Man. How did he get bumped from his own church? This is a rare situation. I don't know, but Bubble Man's gone, and I want to bring out a brand new part of the church. Oh, well. Depose the bubbles. There's all kinds of theories in the chat that he was stolen by the Russians. Rule number one is we can't talk about bubbles ever again.

14:24SpeakerYep.

14:26Etienne FontanSo first rule of bubble church, no bubbles.

14:30BubblemanOops, here he comes. There he be. I don't know what happened. I really don't know what happened there. I got completely bounced. I thought it was over. I was like talking to the chat people. They're like, no, no, I'd still go and you just got to get back in there. I was like, okay.

14:48Etienne FontanEasier said than done.

14:50BubblemanYeah, I bounced out of my own church. I felt like I had some good shit to say there too. So you missed it.

14:56SpeakerSam decreed a new rule, Mark. Oh, great. Go ahead, Sam. Okay. We can never talk about bubbles again.

15:07BubblemanLike tiny bubbles or?

15:09SpeakerAny kind of bubble. You just roll. You're out.

15:13BubblemanOh, man. All right. I'll see you guys later.

15:21BubblemanThat was scary. Anyway, what I was saying was that we don't have the traditions here in Canada, so when we started growing hemp, there was really no tradition to fall back on, and I think they really focused on the economics of profit margins, and that's why all that we've done in Canada really has been producing the food, which seems to be the most profitable, which has gotten into grocery stores and all these different things, which is...

15:44BubblemanKind of cool because it hurts me to hear of a country that has traditional farming of hemp but doesn't benefit from the essential amino acid rich seed oil that they're producing. The birds know.

15:58Etienne FontanIt's frustrating that I have to buy Canadian hemp.

16:03BubblemanYou don't want to support Canada? You don't want to support Canada? Is that your problem? I have no reason not to support Canada.

16:10Etienne FontanHowever, there's a bad echo.

16:14Etienne FontanProbably me. But I just want my full protein oil and I get it directly from hemp seed oil. It's Manitoba hemp that I can get directly from my, you know, my store. So fortunately, at least, you know, you're growing hemp and we have access here in North America. Prior to that, the only hemp seed oil I could get was German. I was paying a lot more for it, needless to say.

16:39Etienne FontanAnd I'm very thankful to have, you know,

16:43SpeakerI believe the food aspect is ultimately the economic driver for taking back the earth that's being used to grow soybean, and it's going to be switched over to hemp because if you have to grow protein per acre, it's hands down the winner. Life cycle analyzes have been done. Thank you so much for joining us.

17:29Etienne FontanThe best thing about 64 is that it's also going to allow for hemp production in California, which means the Central Valley can grow this and we can actually have a high protein vegetation that people can start looking as an alternative to beef, pork, etc. Because the reality is we're spending way too much money in methane using cows and chickens and pork that are massive.

18:04SpeakerWell, a lot of that protein is going to end up into animal feed to feed those animals, truth be told.

18:10Etienne FontanCorrect. And did you see also that they found that if they add a small percentage of seaweed to their animal feed, it reduces their methane almost by 90%.

18:20BubblemanI would only mention that when you plant for seed, you're not really growing like really great fiber. Planting for fiber is quite different from planting for seed. You plant it much tighter and it grows differently. The fiber, and maybe Rob obviously will know a lot more about this than me, but you get more of a woody fiber when you're growing for seed. Is that not correct, Rob?

18:43BubblemanMaybe Rob's not there now. Either way, in Manitoba, when we planted for seed, the plants were very spaced out compared to when we planted for fiber, and the fiber was much nicer, at least from what we grew back in the 90s. So and the only other thing I would add is that you know hemp is going to be superior in so many different ways but there's an infrastructure that still needs to be put in place for hemp to be processed you know on the level that say soy is being processed and right now we don't have that infrastructure so although you might save and it might be better the amount of money that people are actually going to have to put out initially is going to be like very big like an enormous amount of money.

19:27Etienne FontanAnd you're not going to see a lot of these manufacturing companies start like John Deere and International Harvester until you've got a million acres growing. So that's going to take some time before, I mean, that's what they told us back in the nineties. They wouldn't even look at that type of equipment until that type of Average was, you know, in consideration. So, you know, having California past 64 and having hemp growing would be a step toward that direction.

19:50Etienne FontanThere's no way we would have a million acres, but there would be a industry that would show other states that how viable it could be. Right.

20:02Etienne FontanAnd that's it. That's all about showing viability because you have to show something that the farmers want to grow. Otherwise, it's just, you know, fluff and bunnies. It has to be economically viable and sustainable for them over the years for them to grow it. Otherwise, they're just going to grow other crops that are economically more beneficial.

20:19SpeakerImagine that, those dirty bastards. Hey, ATN, if you send me five pounds of hulled seeds, I'll separate it into oil and little round popcorn things for you and send it back to you.

20:34SpeakerDo it.

20:37BubblemanYeah, you won't believe that shit. That is some next level stuff, which was hilarious because there's nothing on the market currently. Thank you so much for joining us.

21:14SpeakerStart hammering them, Mark. I'm all for it.

21:17BubblemanYeah, I mean, I contacted the Compass Group who was the, they bought my friend's company there, the Manitoba Harvest. And then they said, oh, well, we'll hook you up with your friend. He still works with us. And, you know, he just has not... He has not wanted to contact me, let's just say. And I think it's amazing because this is something that could increase the quality of his product.

21:42BubblemanAnd I think he's afraid, to be honest.

21:46SpeakerHe's ashamed because he fucked you.

21:48BubblemanYeah, yeah, something like that.

21:51Etienne FontanYeah. Something like that. Hey, Rob, I'm reading here Turkey has just got the IACM bulletin says the government is going to promote controlled cannabis production in 19 provinces in Turkey. Great job, Rob.

22:07BubblemanWow. Oh, is that what's going on?

22:12Etienne FontanYeah, Rob's muted apparently, Rob and Scott. Yeah, there's a lot of echo.

22:16BubblemanWell, I put my headphones on so I shouldn't be the echo anymore.

22:20Etienne FontanYeah, you were in, you know, it's better. It's much, much more gooder.

22:23BubblemanAnd then just muting the mic when we're not talking and unmuting it when we are, which is I'm sure they can do if they need to talk.

22:33Etienne FontanWell, I was wondering if that was his test crop. Rob, did your test crop lead to these 19 provinces in Turkey now allowing?

22:41SpeakerCan you hear this now?

22:42Etienne FontanYes.

22:44SpeakerNo, this has nothing to do with me at all. This is what the law has been since they started the hemp growing licensing program in 1981. Wow. There really has not been any major change to it since then. I'm not quite sure why it made the September news. But yeah, now just everybody knows about it and before people didn't, which was in a way hampered it from being quite as large as it might have been also.

23:17SpeakerHemp has not been grown there very much over the last 40 years, just like everybody else, everywhere else for the same reasons. It's basically economic. There are other crops you can grow and make more money with that are less work, and they can buy the products that formerly they had to make. Now they can go out and buy plastic grade sacks, and plastic ropes, and plastic ropes.

23:42SpeakerWith the money they make, they're growing other crops. So that's the economics of it. That's the economics of China and Russia and every other country that are traditional hemp growers or state supported hemp growers or whatever. There's no difference. That's basically the crude economics. So that's why it's come down to what it is. It's awesome that all those stayed, and there's still some heavy things going on, like rope making there, even if there isn't very much being grown.

24:19SpeakerSo, yeah, there's little bits going on here and there. That's why I like to go do these things and record them before they disappear completely. So, that's part of that.

24:27Etienne FontanWell, thank you very much. I was rather surprised to hear that they've been doing it since 81, which means 25 years of...

24:36Etienne FontanThe research that they've been doing, has the government doing the research there in Turkey?

24:39SpeakerThere's no research.

24:40Etienne FontanNone at all?

24:41SpeakerThe licensing system that the farmers can apply for very easily when they want to grow hemp. That's what that rules are saying. The government hasn't changed anything else. There's no research implied in anything you've read. The government has done various other things, but there's not been a lot of hemp research going on in Turkey. Let's just leave it at that.

25:08Etienne FontanDo you think this type of news would bring economic interest to Turkey now or not?

25:14SpeakerNo, it would make people learn what I just said.

25:19Etienne FontanNow, you've been on boots on the ground there, so you know, well, we've been only aware that there was an attempted coup there in Turkey. How was it on the ground there with the people, with the uncertainty going on around you, or the purging that seemed to be going on by the government after the fact?

25:39SpeakerWell, the people are really nice. The people I work with all the time, they're the same people, and countryside people are generally really nice also, so... Yeah, as long as you let people know what you're doing, the forces that be are fine with everything. It's all good.

25:57BubblemanI don't know a ton of people from Turkey, but I'll tell you, if Amir is any, you know, if he is to be compared, he's one of the nicest people I've ever met from anywhere.

26:09SpeakerThat's absolutely true, and there are lots of, Really nice people there. The search situation doesn't really change that. The one thing that's really changed is there aren't any cars there. So anybody who's ever thinking of going, there's no better time. You don't have to wait in line for anything. Prices are better for hotels than ever. And you don't have to wait. Once again, you don't have to wait in line for anything.

26:32SpeakerYou don't have to wait for planes or trains or museums or anything. So. And the food's great. So it's really a perfect time to go. That's my plug for the Turkish tourism agency.

26:49Etienne FontanWhat's your favorite food in Turkey, Rob? What do you eat usually?

26:53SpeakerI don't know. I'm a lamb eater, so I eat various forms of lamb. But I guess my favorite ones are ones that get stewed for a long time. But I like kebabs. I like barbecues. So I like all that sort of stuff. Yeah, that's good. And the breads are really good there because they're different pretty much everywhere you go. There's a regionally different bread, not pretty much everywhere you go.

27:16SpeakerIt's just how fine are the differences. Is it by province, basically, or by county, or by neighboring village? They're all unleavened, yes. Yeah, they're almost all unleavened breads, but they're nice and stretchy and very nice. They're fantastic. Variations on non-breads, essentially, but. Yeah. Wonderful. It's really good. Really fresh. It's close to the farm. It's what I like. It's a big country, but they grow stuff all over the place, and they ship things quickly around their own country.

27:49SpeakerI mean, if peaches come from one place and apricots come from another and grapes from another, yeah, sure, they get them all over the country, the people. But they're still really fresh. They're not compared to what we get all the way up the road here in Hollywood. So, yeah, it's really good quality food. I really like it. Friendly people, good quality food. Not too many tourists.

28:14Etienne FontanHard to beat that. Yeah, really. Did you notice a lower in tourism due to the destabilization there, or is it just normal as usual?

28:25SpeakerNo. Tourism is not just lowered there. It's almost dead. Almost dead. Now half the employees in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul, this is one of the great shopping destinations on the planet and has been for decades.

28:46SpeakerThey had at the peak there not long ago, 2,500 employees, excuse me, excuse me, 25,000 employees in there. And so far they've had to lay off half of them. And about a third, not that many yet, about a quarter, 20% to a quarter of the shops have closed or are about to close. So that's all supported by tourism. That's just a direct indication of the economic blow right there.

29:25SpeakerBut they're not the only merchants, of course, dealing with tourists. How would you pay a million dollars to have a shop there?

29:34Etienne FontanHow are the locals dealing with the collapse economically without the tourism?

29:40SpeakerSo far, they're still waiting for it to all sink in. Next year's tourism is going to be increasing, but it's not going to be anywhere near what it used to be. Big tour companies are, in my opinion, okay, I'm not in the tourism business, let that be said, but It seems to me that big tour companies would have booked things by now, and there's been no prediction of a big upturn in tours and things next year, which are economic indicators in the business, I'm sure.

30:11SpeakerSo I would imagine next year independent tourism, like me, that'll be up again and continuing to rise. It has been a little bit recently. And tourists from East Asia, you know, Japanese, Chinese, Korean tourists, so they're... Are the ones who are there, of the few who are there, and Arabian nations, Arabic nations.

30:34Etienne FontanSam, what are you coughing on? Because it's got you coughing.

30:37SpeakerIt's not me. I don't cough. Even when I spoke 1,000% pure hashish.

30:46Etienne FontanWell, then who's coughing?

30:49SpeakerIt's Mr. Ryan. I am going to go now, so I'll talk to you guys later. I might chime in from home, but we'll see, but I'm going to walk off.

30:58Etienne FontanMuch love, Rob. Thank you. Thanks, Rob. I'll cough with Chimera.

31:08Etienne FontanSo it's cough-mira.

31:09BubblemanIt's cough-mira, yeah.

31:12Etienne FontanWell, what is cough-mira actually toking on, coughing on? Uh...

31:24SpeakerHe's got some resin with a bunch of added Lilliloo and Mercy. He calls it Mary Lou. Is Chimera Pinocchio or Donald Duck?

31:39BubblemanPinocchio. Pinocchio.

31:42SpeakerOkay, so Donald Duck is Rob? Yes. Absolutely correct.

31:50Etienne FontanBecause he's duckin' awesome. Duckin' awesome.

31:56BubblemanAnd when he gets really high, he tends to talk like Donald Duck.

32:00SpeakerAlso true. As long as it's not Donald Trump, we're okay with that.

32:07BubblemanOh, he who shall not be named was named.

32:10Etienne FontanYeah, you got to mention Voldemort, didn't you?

32:12SpeakerI'm sorry, was I not supposed to say that?

32:15BubblemanRemember, everybody. It's just a ride.

32:20SpeakerAnd at least we're enjoying it, right, Mark? God bless Bill Hicks. If there's a God, God bless Bill Hicks. Hey, Mark, have you been watching the fish shows?

32:29BubblemanYeah, I actually impressed all my friends when they were playing. I watched the couch tour when I was in Toronto last week. I think they were in Georgia or something and they played the whole concert and then they left and my friend was like, oh, that's it? And I'm like, no, no, they're going to come out and play like Loving Cup or something. She's like, what do you mean?

32:49BubblemanI'm like, well, we're going to get an encore or two and I think it'll be Loving Cup. She's like, well, how could you know that? And I'm like, well, I don't. I just have a feeling. And then they came out and played it.

32:59SpeakerI was like, yeah. Alpharetta last week. Yeah, Alpharetta was a great show. Yeah, it was really good. They play Loving Cup better than the Rolling Stones play it. I'm telling you. Yeah, they kill it. They're on fire.

33:12Etienne FontanSo you're there at the shows, aren't you there, doctor?

33:14SpeakerYeah, I'm here in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand. Nice. We've got two more nights of fishing. So how's it been? Word on the street is they're doing Ziggy Stardust. That's going to be the album that they're covering for Halloween. So, you know, a throw out to the Thin White Duke who left.

33:32BubblemanThat makes sense. That makes sense.

33:34SpeakerIncredible musician that had an incredible impact on everything that came after David Bowie was different. And it's a great throw out to them.

33:44BubblemanNobody could do it like Phish. I will honestly say, having seen them play the double white album just for a second set in Glens Falls, New York in 1994 for Halloween, which was their first real sort of like, let's wear an album as our costume.

34:01SpeakerYeah, so in 94 it was the white album, in 95 it was Quadrophenia, who's Quadrophenia? In 96, it was the public underground loaded, right? That's right, yeah. They did Remaining in the Light in 98. And then they did the Rolling Stones album, Exile on Main Street in 2009. Right. Waiting for Columbus in 2010. And...

34:29SpeakerIn 2014, last time we were here two years ago, they did the Thrills and Chills album, which was a Walt Disney produced album of nothing but narration and spook. There wasn't a note of music on the album, and so they just laid down a whole new track of music for this narrated album that had no music on it whatsoever. Yeah.

34:58BubblemanAnd then don't forget 98 in Vegas when they just played that set was like Dark Side of the Moon or something.

35:04SpeakerDidn't they play like... Yeah, yeah, they've done the Dark Side of the Moon. I thought that was in the middle of a Harpua.

35:12BubblemanIt was, yeah, it was like exactly. It was just like start of the set Harpua went right into like just let's keep playing this whole thing.

35:21SpeakerThey played the whole album. Yeah, it was great.

35:23BubblemanGood old Harpua. You know what they teased Harpua in 94 at Glen Falls with? It was Black Sabbath.

35:34SpeakerOh, really?

35:34BubblemanOkay. It was wonderful. Anyway, Mark and I have now had our fish reminders.

35:39SpeakerYeah, we can turn the fish switch.

35:43BubblemanHey, welcome to Johnny B driving in his truck here at Hash Church. Johnny! Or maybe he's frozen, I don't know. But welcome to Johnny B because we never welcomed him earlier.

35:57Etienne FontanYeah, I saw he was over at Niagara Falls. Or he was over at Niagara Falls. Is he on a little Canadian excursion trip?

36:08BubblemanSomething like that.

36:11BubblemanSorry, I'm trying to talk quieter because for some reason now my mic is super sensitive. I'm way far away from it. I have no idea how to turn it down. But I'm going to troubleshoot while you guys are talking and see if I can't get my mic. You sound fine right now.

36:25Etienne FontanWell, I'm really talking quiet too. Yeah, for some reason your mic sensitivity today is ultra sensitive.

36:32BubblemanHow about now?

36:34Etienne FontanIt's better.

36:36BubblemanReally? How about now?

36:40Etienne FontanYou sounded smaller there for sure.

36:41BubblemanHuh.

36:43Etienne FontanIt was more of when a skunk and them were speaking, for some reason it caused an echo into your mic, which I'm not sure if you have another window open or something with something on, but for some reason it was just a direct echo, and I thought it odd because you have your headphones plugged in, so it shouldn't do that, so that's an odd little... Are you on a Windows or a Mac?

37:12BubblemanI'm on a Mac. Same as every week. But I do know that Sam and Rob and Chimera have a new mic that they've set up. So it could be that. I'm just going to mute them and then they can talk. They can unmute it when they come back.

37:31Etienne FontanWell you sound much better now.

37:32BubblemanThank you for your adjustments. Yes, just trying my best. I hate to be... I'm so OCD about sound or any type of technical difficulty that when I see people having them in the chat room I literally have an anxiety attack because I just want it to stop. I want to be able to fix it. I want it to be... I don't know. Maybe I learned this taping fish because, you know, fish concerts started out as let's eat a bunch of mushrooms.

37:56BubblemanIt'll be fun. And it turned into this. If you make a sound, I swear I will stab you in the eyeball with this pen. So and because I was in the taper section very early on, I went from my first 10 or 15 shows was in the front row. I was obsessed with being in the front row. I always had to be in the front row. And then that turned into back in the taper section and not making any noise, which I'll tell you, not making any noise is hard, especially if you're puffing tough.

38:25BubblemanYou know, the sound of even like the flicking of a lighter or the sound of like trying to suppress a cough. Many a times that I have to run out of the area just to cough. Because these people take this shit seriously. Taping that show. Sure, you want some audience, but you want your audience to be a natural audience, not like overbearing so close to your mics and making more sound than the band.

38:49BubblemanThis is the life of a taper. I'm just telling you.

38:53Etienne FontanAnd it depends on if you're next to the stage or if you're by the soundboard, man.

38:59SpeakerYeah, we call it the shut the fuck up zone. And when you're in the shut the fuck up zone, you're not allowed to talk while the band's playing. And if you talk, you'll be quietly escorted from the area.

39:10BubblemanI'm telling you, not only that, but this shit, this shit right here would never fly in the taper section. This whole like getting your, oh yeah, I'm just going to open this up and like, yeah, you'd be fucking gone. Sorry.

39:25SpeakerNo, but they're constantly roasting logs. I saw big, big fatties going back and forth. So somehow they're lighting them and they're lighting them very quietly.

39:33BubblemanOh yeah, no, there's definitely mad puffing. I can honestly say I managed to puff like dabs at a, you know, back in the 90s before dabs were really a thing at fish shows. And we would just bring, we would bring those coals and get them lit with a torch and then bring them to the zone because you couldn't even turn the torch on, forget about that. And the torch wasn't like a nice looking torch.

39:57BubblemanIt was like a giant fucking canister of propane with a big head on it for like welding or something. It was ridiculous. But I can definitely remember doing dabs at fish shows in the taper section.

40:12Etienne FontanYeah, we were doing coals when we were originally getting the oil. That was the only way that we could learn to do that. And you had to let the burn off. So all the gunpowder burned off in it and didn't give that funky smell and then scrape off the white dust. And yeah, that was the next step up from hot knifing it, which I posted a picture of this week of the hot knives in the in the.

40:32Etienne FontanCoils heating up and I couldn't believe all the responses that people were giving to it because that was the original use of hash oil back in the day was, you know, using hot knives. And the next step up that we had was due to hookahs, you had access to the coals that would burn evenly and consistently. And yeah, you had to be careful what you put it on because it could shatter a plate.

40:57SpeakerYou missed the folded up piece of aluminum method. Yeah, the piece of wood with the hollowed out big pen and the lighter underneath it.

41:08Etienne FontanYeah. Or the glass with the pen on the hash and putting the drop of oil on the hash and lighting it and capturing it in the glass and sliding it to the edge and going.

41:18SpeakerYeah, that's hash under glass. We used to do that, but I remember specifically… Smoking hash oil by taking a drop of it, like John was saying, put it in an aluminum foil thing, and then you'd hold a lighter underneath, and when it bubbled, you would use like a Bic pen or a straw that was hollowed out.

41:34BubblemanThat's opium method right there. That's the old school. That's a straight opium method. That's hardcore, dude.

41:41SpeakerAll right. Well, something good came out of opium for a change.

41:45BubblemanYeah, right? That's what I'm saying. I'll tell you. Stay away from that shit, boy. Woo-wee. That shit will grab you by the nuts and steal your soul. Just saying.

41:56SpeakerMost people that start on that and enjoy it have already lost that shake of the dice before they ever... I think you're right. Because it takes a special kind of personality to do something that is self-deleterious. And part of it is complete 100% lack of love for yourself. Because all you got to do is take a look in the mirror after a little while. If nothing else shakes you loose from it.

42:25SpeakerThank you for joining us.

42:48BubblemanSmoking opium and thinking it was fine because he never ran out of it and then once it ran out he was like on points of heroin and from there it was quickly to the streets. Crack, meth, heroin, full-blown street person like within six months or so of just being like no it's just it's just opium dude it's like there's you can it's fine trust me. I was like, man.

43:12SpeakerListen, I watched a lot of guys in Vietnam start off with, hey, want to smoke some opium? Or let's mix some opium with the weed because it'll give you a real sliver. And a lot of those guys went AWOL. And when they were found, they weighed about 98 pounds. And they were in an opium den laying there smoking a pipe and going off to dreamland because they couldn't shake loose from it.

43:37SpeakerAnd I tried it once. I woke up the next morning laying on the floor and my hair was stuck to the floor somehow. When I finally got pulled loose from the floor and went and looked in the mirror, I had thrown up during the night and my hair had dried in my puddle of my own puke and that was an effective deterrent for me for the rest of my life.

44:01BubblemanYeah, for me, it was as simple as the fact that I felt like opium was very much like the alcohol vibe of the dizziness and the not in control, which is why I just never liked alcohol, which not so much not in control because I was willing to take heroic doses of psychedelics and very much so not be in control. But the way that that demon that alcohols tended to feed, I felt like was the same energy that this that opium was feeding.

44:26BubblemanI tried it once. Thank you for watching.

44:42BubblemanAnd I just, my body has always been good to me in the sense of very much disliking all the things that would really do great harm to me like tobacco and I can't even drink coffee, like I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink alcohol, I don't really do any of those hard drugs. And that's not because I didn't, you know, think about them or when I was younger, just because like my body just immediately said, no, loudly.

45:12SpeakerWell, you know, Bubble Man, everybody comes to Earth through a different set of circumstances. And when you come here, this place has some of everything here. You could consider this place the full range, full spectrum from hell to heaven. Those who come here with brown sunglasses see life one way, and those who come with pink sunglasses see it another way. And everybody, it turns out, comes with a slant on when they come here, on how they handle things.

45:41SpeakerThank you for joining us.

45:47SpeakerThank you for joining us today.

46:16SpeakerThat's why people do those things.

46:18Etienne FontanThat is very succinct. And one, I agree, I tried it once and I could feel that this thing could get a hold of me. I could just feel like, oh, this feels way too good. And it was one of those, I don't know, definitely conscious decisions to say there's something about this that... We have to stay away from.

46:39BubblemanSee, to me, it never felt good. I don't know. I like how John just put it. That was pretty awesome. But yeah, truly, my sensitivities are through the roof. And those substances, they don't, it's almost bizarre, but I almost feel more comfort. Thank you for watching.

47:10SpeakerThat's because you want to enjoy the champagnes of life. You want to enjoy the real effervescence, the best part of life. So you're always wanting to connect to that. And it turns out you can't really connect to that part of life and be attracted to the downers. You know, there's a line in the middle and when you're on one side, everything looks like shit. And when you're on the other side, everything looks bright and cheery.

47:36SpeakerAnd you've been on the bright and cheery side, except for that piece of paper that you're unfolding next to your microphone there. But you're attracted to that kind of existence. How many people are? I would wager that most of the people who are listening to Hash Church err on that side of it. But you don't get a bunch of junkies joining up Hash Church because they're not interested in improving their mind.

48:03SpeakerThey're interested in avoiding anything to do with being awake and having to notice their mind.

48:10Etienne FontanI could tell it was out of vibration. It just wasn't on my frequency. That's the best way I could put it. And again, I agree. Psychedelics were something I graduated to and I was very fortunate. Again, the first event I did was the 50th anniversary of LSD. So to be there and be around people that When I worked the front door, everybody was like, hey, you want to try my 50th anniversary of LSD?

48:34Etienne FontanAnd I was like, absolutely. However, I'm working the front door and I'm responsible because back then you got to realize it was 93 and it was $100 for one day for a ticket. So it was hella expensive at the time to get in. But everybody and anybody was there. Alex Gray brought his art and set it up in the, it was at the Unitarian Church in San Francisco.

48:57Etienne FontanAnd he set it up in the chapel and his paintings in real life are huge and are beautifully psychedelic. And yeah, I spent half the day trying to get napkins from people and then I would have people just drop their doses on the napkins and I would take a pen and And I would take the pen and I'd bum people's wrappers off their cigarette wrappers and I would take it and just kind of scoot it into the wrapper without touching it and rolling it up and putting it in my pocket so I could save that LSD for another day because...

49:32Etienne FontanNeedless to say, this was Bear and everybody's 50th anniversary edition of LSD. So the next couple weeks was probably some of the most beautiful experiences I've ever experienced in the Bay. I took some to Stinson Beach, went up in the hills, just hung out the house, just a little lap puppy, just of happiness. And psychedelics, I credit greatly for dealing with a lot of my war traumas.

50:02Etienne FontanWell, I asked all that.

50:04BubblemanWhenever I speak about psychedelics, I always have to shout out Terrence McKenna because he was definitely one of my earliest and brightest and biggest inspirations, not only from the fact that he had a company where you could buy spores and grow the mushrooms and learn about the mushrooms, but the OTT and OS Eric, the mushroom growers guide from the 70s that him and his brother put out under pen name, the whole figuring it out in Central America when they Cleared the area for the cows to create a pasture and those mushrooms popping up.

50:36BubblemanAll of those experiences, listening to all his lectures at the SLM Institute and other areas throughout California, definitely, definitely like chiseled me into the person that I am because while everyone was just, you know, drinking mad amounts of alcohol and snorting cocaine, I was eating heroic doses of mushrooms and learning So much about myself and about the universe and the way things, or at least they appeared to be working.

51:04BubblemanMaybe not the way they work exactly, but how they appeared to work in those states of mind where I just look at them as so valuable. I can't believe there's not something in our society set up where people can go and have those experiences if they so desire.

51:20SpeakerIt is. It's called life. And what you were experiencing, Bubble Man, was... The phenomena of being in the giant bowl where both the Kurds and the Kurds pop up. And there you are in a bunch of Kurds and you were a Kurd. And you popped up and you were busy having the Kurd existence even though all those Kurds were around you. You know, people come here for the thing that they get caught up in.

51:45SpeakerAnd when, when you're, you got, you were right in the midst of all that, but you didn't get caught up in it. And that's because your body and your vibration weren't willing to devolve into that. You already came here for another experience. So why should, so when you tried that stuff or when you were even around it, you could take a quick look at it and go, no, no, thanks Ninja.

52:07SpeakerThat's not for me. I'm going to pass on that. And that was the same way I did. I never, my dad poured, Thank you for joining us.

52:38SpeakerThank you for watching.

52:58SpeakerAnd at that moment, when I explained that to him, he was happy at the same time because he realized that he'd done something good without even realizing it. And so you were doing something good. You were there in this whole load of people doing cocaine and alcohol, and you were busy taking the mother mushroom.

53:18BubblemanI'll never forget actually in my hometown city of Winnipeg being at the Pink Floyd concert of 1994, the Division Bell. I got floor tickets. I went there and ate way too many mushrooms as most of the people I knew did. But a big difference was that people were also smuggling like boxes of alcohol into this venue. And I was, I remember being surrounded By, you know, it's kind of trippy too for any of you that saw the division bell because this is before bubble man days and really before a lot of the glandular trichome learning that I went through and before the cannabis cups that I had been to and so it was kind of this early moment but where I was sitting on the floor was right next to this giant, it looked like a trichome, it was a giant stock and it had a big round top and if you went to the concert you'll remember this thing opened up like a flower and Thank you for watching.

54:39BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

55:07SpeakerAnd so those people that are being the assholes are playing that part out. Like I said, my dad, he played a hard guy for 30 years. I mean, he dropped me off in front of the recruiting station on my 17th birthday, took me out of high school early in the middle of the day, gave me a small bag of clothes and a $20 bill and dropped me off.

55:26SpeakerBut all those years later, when I held his hand in the hospital, when he was passing, Thank you for joining us.

55:53SpeakerAll the things that are done in your life will present to you sooner or later. And my dad at the end was lucky enough to have come to the understanding that that's what he lived, but it was for a good purpose. And so he found purpose in life and he was relieved and relaxed and he was able to let go.

56:14BubblemanThat's heavy for sure, John.

56:18SpeakerThat's beautiful, man. Finding purpose is the key to existence here, man. To find purpose, there's a few steps you've got to take. One is you've got to completely learn to love yourself. Only then, when you love yourself fully, will you be able to transmit that to all the people around you. And even at that, it's a school here. And so there's going to be people who are going to come in who are first graders and people who are going to be graduating PhDs when they leave here.

56:48SpeakerAnd it's just the way things are. I mean, it's a big school. Just do the best you can. Try not to hurt anybody. Don't ever take revenge and try to get along.

57:01BubblemanWell, I sure appreciate your perspective, man. I mean, that's to me...

57:08BubblemanIt resonates with me very, very strongly that it's just a universal truth. It's like it's what your grandma would say to you in different words. Just be nice. Be nice to people. Don't take revenge. That's definitely... I'll tell you, the few times that I've been snappy online with people, those people have gone the most out of their way to destroy me. So it's like this weird, like, you just put, you're like, snap!

57:35BubblemanAnd then all of a sudden it's like, the energy that comes back to you is like a thousandfold. Best to not snap. I do apologize to anyone out there that I've snapped at. It's tough sometimes, this social media thing. But that doesn't mean I can't be kind and be nice and not be snappy. So I'll take John's advice. Today.

57:53SpeakerYou're the only human. And I was going to say good morning to everybody. I haven't had a chance to say hi. I'm just at the airport and driving around like I always did.

58:02BubblemanSunshiny John. Hi, John.

58:06SpeakerIt's beautiful out here. You know, look at that.

58:09BubblemanWhat airport are you at?

58:11SpeakerI was at VGH, Vancouver, you know, the one in Vancouver. I had to drop off Helena. Then I made my way to the North Shore. Now I'm probably about 20 minutes from your house.

58:21BubblemanNice.

58:22SpeakerSunday, I'm going to come over and smoke some hash with you.

58:24BubblemanWhy does it look so nice where you are? It looks like it's all blue sky.

58:28SpeakerIt's beautiful. I'm just on the other side of the Lionsgate Bridge here. And I came over the bridge and pulled over.

58:33BubblemanShit, man. Yeah, I have blue sky too.

58:36SpeakerYou got some blue sky. I'm bringing some blue sky to you. I just had to come over and say good morning. I don't have headphones. So I was like, I just have to drive to your house.

58:45BubblemanAll right, dude. Well, I'm here. I'm here. I'm on my way.

58:49SpeakerI'll see you soon.

58:50BubblemanYou're always welcome, John.

58:52SpeakerI love listening to you guys talk and stuff. It's always great to be a part of House Church, and it's always great to be able to, you know, John, you're amazing. Thanks for your kind words and wisdom, as always. I'm going to put you guys on mute, and I'm going to drive, and then I'm going to talk to you guys more.

59:09Etienne FontanYeah, Andrea, thank you. Your words are very humbling and are always a constant reminder. And your sage experience and humility is always enlightening and appreciated. So thank you very much for sharing your wisdom because I know it's always on point and succinct.

59:30SpeakerATN, I got to tell you, I had the hardest head of all to get this stuff pounded into. I went to India and it took me 12 years of giving of myself and living in an ashram and walking around barefooted and eating the simplest of all simple foods and getting no money and only surviving off the smiles of the people I treated to pound this into my hard head.

59:57SpeakerIt took that much Thank you for joining us.

1:00:16SpeakerAnd I used to go to those places to treat people all the time. And one of the things I used to notice was I might be going in a mud hut and it might have a stick roof, but the floor was just freshly cleaned. Their clothes were clean. They had bright smiles. They were beautiful people. They had positive attitudes.

1:00:35SpeakerI used to see a guy in India working every day at a motorcycle shop and it was in a kind of a depression and he had flip-flops on and his feet were always in a combination of mud, oil, and water. And I would walk by him on the way to the bus stop And I would say hi. And he always had the biggest cheese-eating smile you ever saw in your life.

1:00:58SpeakerHe would look back at me and smile and say, good morning, good morning. So nice that I felt wonderful by it. And I used to think to myself, he's in a puddle of mud and water and oil, and he's smiling at me. What does it, John, is the flip-flops. I've been wearing flip-flops every day for 50 years, and that's why I smile so much. Yeah, but you wear them on your head, though.

1:01:26SpeakerNo, no. Ask Bubble, man.

1:01:28BubblemanIt's true. You know, that's the thing about Sam's twisted humor. It always has a level of truth to it, and there's no doubt about it that Sam has been wearing flip-flops, like, way before since I met him, and including through the winter months.

1:01:46SpeakerIn the snow. For real. You probably found a cure for athlete's foot, so. I've never had athlete's foot, but my feet never get cold. Well, you've never had athlete's foot because you're wearing flip-flops everywhere. You go in drugstores in India, you don't see five different kinds of athlete's foot cure pills on the shelf. In fact, you hardly see anything on the shelf, but... But Athlete's Foot is not a problem because everybody there is barefoot all the time.

1:02:19SpeakerAll the years that I was there and I walked around barefoot, I never had Athlete's Foot. I came back to the States, took a shower in a motel, two weeks later had Athlete's Foot because the stinking lousy bums who had that place didn't clean their shower really good and I guess there was Athlete's Foot on the floor. Who would have thunk it, right? But there it is.

1:02:41BubblemanThere it is right at the end of your leg on your foot. So did you end up offering this guy a foot massage or something with the dirty feet?

1:02:49SpeakerNo, I didn't offer him a foot massage. When I left India, I had a really cherry three-cylinder motorcycle that had about 51 horsepower, which is a lot in India considering you can't go very fast there. Was it an Enfield? No, it wasn't an infield. It was a two-cycle one. It was a Czechoslovakian motorcycle. Oh, yeah. I can't remember the name of it offhand. But when I left India, I gave it to him as a present.

1:03:18SpeakerAnd he was all beside himself. He's like, you want me fixed? You want me paid? He had all kinds of ideas about why I brought it there. He couldn't get into the idea that I was giving it to him. But I gave it to him. And yeah. I gave it to him because of the smile, because he never really did anything else for me. But that smile, sometimes when I would walk by him in the day, I had one period in time where the local sheriff kidnapped one of my kids for a few months and wanted money.

1:03:53SpeakerAnd he was smiling at me every day when I'd walk by him, I would be deep in the Not feeling very good about anything that was going on and I would see him and he would smile and it would make me smile. And so anyway, I thought that was valuable enough so that when I left India, of all the people I knew there, he deserved to have that motorcycle.

1:04:11SpeakerBesides that, it was a crazy fast motorcycle. It wasn't something you wanted to give to the orphanage or something.

1:04:17BubblemanRight. Well, there goes a smile can indeed pay off. Not that you want to give it out for the payoff, but just... Smile. Give people the smiles they deserve. It's a nice thing to do.

1:04:30SpeakerWell, he was happy, and his happiness infected me and made me allow for my happiness. You know, you look inside yourself to find smiles.

1:04:43BubblemanHey, welcome, Archive. Fletcher in the house. I waited for him to put his bong in his mouth and take a dab before I welcome him to the room. How's that? I like the color, though. I also chose yellow today. And black. Rocking the same colors. Bumblebee colors.

1:05:02Archive SeedsYeah, you know. Yeah, I like the orange, yellow, reds a lot. I used to be a green person, but morphed into the orange, yellow, red.

1:05:13BubblemanAnd what about flower to concentrates? Were you a flower person that's morphed into concentrates? Are you still in both of those worlds?

1:05:21Archive SeedsIf my allergies weren't as bad as they are with flowers, I'd be more into flowers still. But like even flower rosin seems to have more of an allergic effect than like bubble hash because it's been washed in water, seems to have the least allergens on it.

1:05:41BubblemanAnd you get the whole closing of the throat and the stuffed up thing?

1:05:44Archive SeedsMine's mostly like nose, you know, stuffed up nose and stuff like that. I don't get too much… Thank you for watching.

1:06:01Archive SeedsMakes my job hard trying to smell weed and use mails and, you know, being completely stuffed up makes it tough.

1:06:09SpeakerYou know, when your nose is stuffed up like that, all you got to do is go to your left nipple, measure down four fingers and right directly under the left nipple. You'll find a sore spot on your rib cage. Rub that counterclockwise and your nose will come up unstuffed within two minutes.

1:06:26BubblemanQuite a few people did that last week when you mentioned it. I saw people writing in going, I can't believe that worked.

1:06:33Archive SeedsI have a big knot on my ribs from an old cracked rib injury many years ago in that exact same spot and hasn't cured it yet.

1:06:43SpeakerYou mentioned that male pollen upsets you. So female pollen is okay?

1:06:53Archive SeedsWell, the resin from certain female varieties definitely has an impact, but a lot of my, like I have a lot of regular allergies too, and a lot of airborne pollen in general, grass pollens and things like that, I'm pretty allergic to as well.

1:07:09SpeakerNow, I've met a few people who've had problems with male problems and a few that also who even if they touch the living plant leaves of a maturing female, they have problems also.

1:07:22Archive SeedsI have that problem as well. I get hives and rashes and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I have to wear like a beanie, a hooded sweatshirt, gloves, long sleeve shirt to work in the garden and stuff.

1:07:35BubblemanHmm.

1:07:36Archive SeedsYep.

1:07:37BubblemanYeah, I have a friend that even has to wear the mask, the big like breathing mask as well as the full.

1:07:43Archive SeedsI can't be in a trim room or anything like that. I mean I can't even walk in there without the full respirator on, not just like a doctor's mask but an actual respirator.

1:07:55SpeakerIt's funny because, I mean, I could quite literally pour a gallon of male pollen all over my skin, my face, my, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, I find it cooling, kind of like baby talc.

1:08:13Archive SeedsBathing in pollen.

1:08:16SpeakerAre you coming out of the closet, Sam, or something? No, but I will come out if there was a bigger room for me to go into because this closet is getting really small.

1:08:30Archive SeedsGay for cannabis.

1:08:33BubblemanMan, of course Sam can bathe in male pollen. And not have any allergies whatsoever. That'd be an interesting thing to figure out where that comes from, though, you know, those allergies. What is it? Is it in the resin? Is it in the flat matter?

1:08:53SpeakerIt's a hypersensitivity of the immune system. It's an immune response that the immune system thinks that the body's under attack. And so a lot of just it's an innate immune response. It's a truly an allergic reaction. Well, when you're having an allergic reaction, it's because your system has already got all of that that it can handle. And now when you put in one drop, one drop comes out.

1:09:17SpeakerAnd so it's a simple mechanism that's going on there. They've had enough exposure to that, can't stand any more of it. Every little new bit of exposure causes an irritation at the other end. Well, it's such a complex mechanism that a lot of people have diseases where there's fundamentals of that, of the way it works in our body is broken down or compromised due to other health conditions.

1:09:41SpeakerSo immunology is a very, very complex set of things that happens in the body and you can't universally, you know, go from one patient to another and see the same type of symptoms or homology in the disease. So it's No, you can't. But the thing they've missed on with that is that we all do have a body that's just like all the rest of the bodies. However, the time between you were born and when you started registering the symptoms, a lot of other things happened to you.

1:10:13SpeakerAnd so, therefore, you're diverse and you're different. It's not going to be easy to find somebody else that's had the exact same things happen to them.

1:10:21Archive SeedsYeah. Well, I've had allergies. You know, since I was basically a teenager, and I didn't have cannabis allergies until I had overexposure, essentially. It was developed over time. And having talked with my doctors and stuff, and, you know, people that are familiar with allergies know about immunotherapy and stuff like that. And what they're saying is that I've also developed an allergy to apples, basically stone fruits, you know, apples, plums, pears, apricots.

1:10:54Archive SeedsThey're saying that those allergies are actually somewhat related even having a response to them. I'm seeing that now that there's a lot, there's actually a cannabis industry and there's other people in Colorado that work in the industry and have gone to their doctors and they're doing more research now into immunotherapy for cannabis specifically.

1:11:16SpeakerWell, listen, I had all my life after I went to Vietnam, got sprayed with Asian orange. After that, I couldn't eat apples, pears, prunes, all the same things that you're talking about. And I was completely allergic. I'd bite into an apple, my tongue and lips would swell up. My gums would swell up and get sore. But as the years went by and I started processing some of that out of my system and I spent 38 years as a complete vegetarian, lactose, didn't eat any meat, didn't eat any.

1:11:46SpeakerThank you for joining us.

1:12:04SpeakerAnd nowadays I can eat apples and pears and all the stone fruits and I don't have those reactions anymore. So I was actually able to detox my body to the point when I, and at that time, at that point in time, I really thought it was because of the defoliants that were hooked up and were in your body from the Asian orange that made me sensitive to those fruits.

1:12:26SpeakerBut here you've got a completely different story about it. You weren't in Vietnam. You didn't get sprayed and you were allergic to them as well.

1:12:34Archive SeedsYeah, but all the food I could have been eating for the last 30 years could have been sprayed with Roundup just as much. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to eventually end up basically, you know, living in sandals all the time as Sam has already proven leads to a long life.

1:12:54SpeakerAt least it leads to feats that don't stink.

1:12:57Archive SeedsThat too. I haven't had, I've never had athlete's foot either and I'm barefoot a lot, so. Even in cold Washington.

1:13:08SpeakerThere's a couple of guys around where I live who absolutely don't wear shoes at all. And dead of winter, I've seen them walking around. I mean, if you're up a little higher up the road another half mile from where I live, it snows fairly regularly, even in Northern California. And this guy is famous for going around barefoot for the last 40 years. And when I first met him and found out he was 80 years old, he was unloading six by sixes off the back of a pickup truck by himself.

1:13:37SpeakerAnd then I said, wow, man, that guy's in good shape. I wonder how old he is. My friend said, yeah, he's 80. He's walking around on bare feet for the last 40 years. Unbelievable.

1:13:50Archive SeedsYeah, you never know what the difference is between people's body and how things can affect it. That's for sure.

1:13:57SpeakerWell, walking around on bare feet is really good for you because all of the points on the bottom of your feet that are reflex points are being pushed all the time by little stones and rocks that you step on. And this is very good for the body. It's like getting a foot massage every day. But let's face it, John, there's certainly occupations where it's just better to have foot protection than not to have foot protection.

1:14:23SpeakerOh, I wasn't advocating you go barefoot in an acid plant or where they're making car parts or welding. You know, I'm just saying maybe on your way to the welding shop you walk barefoot and then put your shoes on after you get there.

1:14:39BubblemanThis is all comedy. I love it. I love the natural, organic way the conversation unfolds on Hash Church. I'm not going to lie. It does make me smile. Maybe it's time to blow smoke towards the Vatican. Does anyone agree upon that, perhaps? Always.

1:14:58SpeakerI could blow smoke towards the Bellagio here. Hey, there's a Trump Tower here in Vegas. I can't believe it. Or the Treasure Island. Give us a shot out the window, Mark. You know, I tried to before, but let's see. I'll try this again. It seems to be really bright outside. The sun is shining. Let's see. I'm right off the Vegas Strip. Let's see. It's pretty bright. You're locked up in a purple room and the sun is shining?

1:15:26BubblemanThat's pretty bright. I'm not going to lie. That right there is pretty bright. Total white out.

1:15:30SpeakerCan you see anything that's total white out?

1:15:33BubblemanI see snow.

1:15:34SpeakerYeah. All I got is my laptop camera, so it's not that great.

1:15:40Etienne FontanAnd I'm the only one with absolute gray skies and rain here in Oakland.

1:15:46SpeakerOh no, it's raining up here on the west coast like nobody's, it's pissing down like a horse on a flat rock.

1:15:53Etienne FontanPretty much.

1:15:55BubblemanIt's pissing down like a horse on a flat rock. The gems that Indra gives us during Hash Church are just, someone should write a book.

1:16:05Etienne FontanHey, it looks like Chimera's trying to put something up.

1:16:08BubblemanChimera, what's going on? Should we be looking at that or? Do you want us to look at that?

1:16:17SpeakerThe interview that was done on the Journal of the International Hep Association many years ago, the doctor named... Shoyama. Shoyama, yeah. And he discovered a compound in cannabis pollen that causes allergic reaction. Really? Yeah, so this is a super old article. You can probably see it, actually. Yeah, I think you can see it off the screen, so anybody can just get the link off of there. What's the compound, Ryan?

1:16:50SpeakerDoes it say what the compound is? I'm not sure. It was just something that went through the trigger. I can't remember. It's a long time ago that I read it. It triggered an immunoresponse, like immunoglobulin E, I think it was.

1:17:16SpeakerAnyway, old little cue from the literature. There's definitely something going on. There's some compounds in the plant, whether they're in the pollen or wherever else they're expressed. It's probably more than one pollen, more than one compound that people are allergic to. Hmm. Yeah, wouldn't you think, again, that would be something that could either be bred out or we could understand that, you know, what pathway makes that compound and try to, again, select for breeds that don't have it to address the issue?

1:17:48SpeakerAnything from which there's variability in the population, you can push towards either end of the extreme of that variability, right? That's what breeding is. You pick traits and you push them in one direction or the other. Make more of a compound or less of a compound? Well, wouldn't it be great to know if that compound is the same compound that's in other plant materials that also elicits allergic reactions?

1:18:11SpeakerI think if I remember correctly, Ryan, I might be wrong on this, but I think it was the isoflavonoids and flavones that are in soy that sometimes elicit an allergic reaction to soy-based products. And so they could actually, again, either extract those or make a soy product that's isoflavone-free And it doesn't have the same type of allergic reaction. So yeah, it would be cool to know what compound it is.

1:18:42BubblemanYeah, very interesting.

1:18:45SpeakerYeah, you guys did some interesting work. I think they were involved, they did the early work involved in the biosynthesis. They showed that THC was synthesized through CBG, not through CBD.

1:19:00BubblemanAll right.

1:19:03BubblemanI remember reading about that.

1:19:05SpeakerYeah, this is an old warrior.

1:19:09Bubbleman97.

1:19:15BubblemanInteresting, interesting, interesting. Well, I'm not sure where Todd went today. I know he had plans to come in.

1:19:24SpeakerMaybe having some technical difficulties. Hey, John, can you give us an update on what's going on with the extractor? You know, a lot of people interested in, a lot of people talking about it. People are starting to email me. Ah, that sounds fun. Yeah.

1:19:42SpeakerSo what can you tell us?

1:19:48SpeakerCrickets.

1:19:50BubblemanOkay. I guess that's what you can tell us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

1:19:59Etienne FontanCrickets.

1:20:02BubblemanSo how are things going down in Washington?

1:20:09Archive SeedsI mean, I just live here, but I work in Oregon, so I think Washington's scene is... Just fell apart. Yeah, it fell apart. They killed it, basically. I mean, you know, and... I know everybody's on the Alma 64 stuff, and I'm not trying to get into that, but I'm just saying Washington's a very poor example of the extreme version of legalization and what it does to a cottage industry.

1:20:37Archive SeedsRight. I was actually just talking to someone the other day that was picking up some genetics. He was telling me about three facilities that he's working on. He kind of consults and does stuff. He was commenting that he was working on three facilities right now that were failed businesses that new people are taking over for round two to see who can shake it out, right? And it's kind of indicative of what's happening up here is they've pinned the retailers against the growers.

1:21:07Archive SeedsAnd just like any other agricultural crop, the retailers get the good end of the stick. They have all the purchasing power. And the growers, because they're not unionized, which is what happens to most agricultural products or agricultural commodities, especially perishable ones, they're really taking a big hit. Their only saving grace is the tax difference. But for the amount of work they're doing, they're getting definitely the... The raw end.

1:21:39BubblemanYeah, I don't know exactly what's going on down there, but I definitely, I remember when many people just were like, oh, it's ending. We have to stop doing what we're doing. I can't do this anymore. I can't do that anymore. Seems like a bum deal for sure.

1:21:55SpeakerFarmers don't always get the shaft anymore, you know. A thousand years ago in Japan, farmers were the top of society. They were the most revered people in the country. And now a thousand years later, farmers are, you know, catching it in the behind in Japan and everywhere else.

1:22:14Archive SeedsIt really happened with the industrialization of agriculture. You know, when everything in the early 1900s when we started getting machinery and mechanization that could really, you know, that's, you know, we got rid of slaves and got machines instead, right? That's kind of, you know, and it's, I'm not saying that slavery was good, but I'm saying that in a free society, that's a lot of jobs regardless of who's doing them.

1:22:41Archive SeedsAnd when you mechanize it and commercialize it and centralize it where all the production happens in one place, there's really not a whole lot of jobs left. It's just irrigation controls and some machines that go out there and maintain, and that's it. So it's farmer, there's, the small farmer barely exists anymore.

1:23:04SpeakerYeah, you can go buy greenhouse tomatoes or you can go to the local supermarket and buy Not supermarket, but the local farmer's market and great big fat delicious tomatoes. Or you can go in Safeway and get those tomatoes that taste just like the lettuce does. Like nothing.

1:23:21Archive SeedsExactly. And I mean, I think there is a movement, especially in our food industry to move towards better produce and things of that nature and small and And helping smaller farms. But it's just a fact of economics. It's hard to be competitive doing things by hand and not being centralized and commercialized like that. And it's tough to be competitive as the small guy in that situation. And Washington's kind of indicative of how that would go.

1:23:53Archive SeedsBecause here in like very different from Colorado, in Colorado they had 70-30 rule where every medical marijuana center in Colorado for the first four years of operation until recreational hit, you had to produce 70% of the product of the flowers that was sold at your store. There wasn't a big farmers versus retailers thing. The farmer was the retailer in the case for every shop that was in Colorado for the initial years of the foundation.

1:24:22Archive SeedsThey did the exact opposite here where they straight went into an agricultural model and we're seeing the effects of it.

1:24:35SpeakerYeah, I was in Colorado when that was happening and the people there were complaining at the time that just because they had a dispensary didn't mean that they wanted to grow. And so it formed a lot of people. Partnered up and it's made a lot of strange bedfellows.

1:24:56Archive SeedsDefinitely. I mean, it did that, but it also, um, it's, it's secured a more sustainable supply of product. It's very easy to grow too much of anything in general. And, um, you know, once you let everybody grow as much as you can basically pay the government to do, um, We're going to see overproduction, and that's what's happening here in Washington, and that's why we're seeing these turnover rates.

1:25:25Archive SeedsI mean, there's thousands of pounds in backlog in Washington State currently to be sold, and they're harvesting outdoor right now, and there's nowhere to sell it necessarily. People are paying for shelf space to have your products in stores. You know what I mean? Thank you for joining us.

1:25:59Archive SeedsAbsolutely. And that's just strictly agricultural export and import laws, regulations, and what we have done to basically do that with food. But the problem is that once you start having interstate commerce, it becomes a federal...

1:26:17Archive SeedsThere's legislation in the Constitution and in our Bill of Rights, I believe, that regulates interstate commerce will be somewhat regulated by the federal government.

1:26:27SpeakerIt's not in the Constitution.

1:26:29Archive SeedsNot the Constitution.

1:26:31SpeakerIt's a law, but it's not in the Constitution. It's not in the Bill of Rights. It's not in any of those things. It's a law that Congress passed at one point in time when they thought, for instance, in the South and in the East, they were growing a lot of cotton and so forth. And shipping it around created this idea of, well, gee, if we're going to sell our cotton somewhere else, we need to get tax money.

1:26:56SpeakerAnd then the people where I was going to, well, hey, if you're going to ship your cotton here, we want to. You know, it was a good old boy deal. Everybody wants to get their finger in the pie.

1:27:05Archive SeedsWell, I'm just looking it up here briefly. And it's the Commerce Clause describes an enumerated power listed in the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3. So, I mean, it is in the Constitution that...

1:27:18SpeakerIt's in the Constitution that they can make the law, but the law...

1:27:21Archive SeedsCorrect. That's all that I meant. And all it does is that if the federal government opens up interstate commerce, it opens up a whole lot of stuff in terms of regulation and what they should be doing with that.

1:27:35SpeakerAll right. Who's killing the dog in the background?

1:27:41BubblemanThat's my dog. I think Johnny B's here.

1:27:45Etienne FontanWhat's your dog's name?

1:27:47BubblemanWell, my dog's name is Oreo. He came with that name when we got him as a little puppy. We tried to give him a different name, but for God's sakes, he really was an Oreo.

1:27:59BubblemanI guarantee you Johnny B will walk through that door in the next couple of minutes. He doesn't bark very often unless someone comes over, so then he's on it. Oh, there's John right there driving.

1:28:10SpeakerHe's parking.

1:28:12BubblemanOh, yeah. Interesting. Very interesting. What do I have the concentration face? Yes, the concentration face.

1:28:25Etienne FontanHey, I have a question of the panel. I have a patient who reached out to me and they have a friend who has Parkinson's disease and looking for any cannabis expertise having to do with Parkinson's. So if anybody has any insight, names, or numbers, I would be greatly appreciated to try and help this gentleman to get information.

1:28:55SpeakerOkay, well, don't smoke joints that you have to light with a cigarette lighter.

1:28:58Etienne FontanThat's for sure. Well, I think he's looking for a little deeper advice than that. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

1:29:07BubblemanAnd he consumes cannabis orally, I suspect?

1:29:11Etienne FontanDoesn't know about cannabis in any way, shape, or form.

1:29:14BubblemanOh, wow.

1:29:15Etienne FontanJust starting into, just found out and as heard about cannabis and Parkinson and was just wondering what was out there and accessible. So I'm just trying to get access to information so that he can educate himself so that he can take his steps appropriately.

1:29:32BubblemanSo if we could start a thread in the Hash Church group and then anyone watching, which is 736 plus people, You guys have any information, a link, a story, whatever, you can put it in that thread that's going to be started over in the Hash Church group, maybe by ATN here in the near future. So that would be a great way to involve more people than just the panel and let those who are also watching that may have advice pass that on.

1:30:00BubblemanI will go and start that right now. Sweet, sweet. Sounds like a plan.

1:30:09BubblemanOh, well, I bet you we're going to see Johnny B here really soon. I think he's walking through my house. Sort of looks like my ceiling.

1:30:15SpeakerLooks like it. My ceiling. Hey, you see that picture that I have up this week?

1:30:21BubblemanYes, the little hummingbird.

1:30:24SpeakerThat's a painting I made of a hummingbird in my wife's hand. It's the first painting I ever painted with acrylics ever.

1:30:33BubblemanIt's pretty awesome, dude. I got to say, I thought it was just like a kind of a cool, like old school photo.

1:30:39SpeakerVery old. Paintbrush, acrylics.

1:30:42BubblemanWhat's up, Johnny B?

1:30:46BubblemanJohnny B in the house. This guy. This guy. I don't know how you're going to hear. You might have to plug your phone in to a headphone so you can hear it.

1:31:02SpeakerYeah, that was my problem. My headphone was stuck there.

1:31:05BubblemanOh, no, no, no. Well, we might be able to find you another pair of headphones. I don't know if I have a pair myself.

1:31:13Etienne FontanJohnny V didn't bring his own headphones?

1:31:17BubblemanI don't want to unplug because I think it'll be loud right away. So what I'll do is I will go find a pair of headphones for Johnny V. One second.

1:31:28SpeakerHe was listening.

1:31:29BubblemanAll right. He's now leaving Hash Church to go find you.

1:31:32SpeakerNo, you need to hear, brother. I want to hear. No.

1:31:45SpeakerThank you guys. Just jump in here and just get it going. So, you know, it's a beautiful morning driving to the airport.

1:31:55Etienne FontanGo directly to the source. Why not?

1:31:57SpeakerYou know what? I don't have any headphones. I left them in Toronto. Just got back from Toronto. That was a great little event. We had a great time there. Why not just stop by here? It's a little bit closer.

1:32:10Etienne FontanWhat was going on in Toronto?

1:32:11SpeakerWe did the Karma Cup, so it was a really great event. I did miss half church that day. That's when I went to go meet Mark, and he happened to not, I screwed up. And then I got a little busy. Now he wants his headphones back.

1:32:26BubblemanI do, I do. I figured I can't spend the next 20 minutes looking for headphones for Johnny B.

1:32:31Etienne FontanHe'll have to turn on his own phone and listen.

1:32:33BubblemanIt'll be fine. It'll all work out. But we will puff a bowl. That's for certain.

1:32:38SpeakerJust twist one of the ear things off of yours and hand it to him.

1:32:42BubblemanYeah.

1:32:43SpeakerYeah. I'll get it right on that.

1:32:47BubblemanHere, Johnny B. Have a dab. It's been a while, and I don't have water in my pipe. I'm not using water right now. No, I don't. I don't. I want to hit it without water. I've been hitting it waterless. It's actually quite lovely. There you go. Dabberoo had it right on the dabber for you. Turp dipped in everything. All right. Sorry about that, Yoles. I'm just going to run it around.

1:33:18BubblemanExcellent.

1:33:20SpeakerI wish I could afford a camera.

1:33:22BubblemanAfford a camera?

1:33:26BubblemanWell, I had one, but now it's broken. That's what happens.

1:33:30SpeakerOkay, so open that lower drawer. Not that I'd show my face, but... All right, so let's mute Mark.

1:33:48BubblemanHe probably doesn't want us on his conversation. Wow, the lag is real today. There's like a half a minute to a minute lag today, whereas opposed, I think it's usually like 8 to 10 seconds maximum.

1:34:02SpeakerI got to dial home for a second and help my daughter find a football jersey. I'll be back momentarily, folks. Sounds good. Sounds good.

1:34:11BubblemanOh, we're 1034. I think in the next half hour, we may have our next conversation start up here. We'll see how it goes. Kind of interested in hearing about the Philo's project. Johnny B leaving the extremely hot metal carb cap on top of the bowl. Classic. Burnt my fingers real good, but that's okay. Nothing like yesterday. The tips of my fingers, man. Oh, there we go. There's Johnny B.

1:34:44BubblemanAnd now you've got your headphones. See, that's all you needed was your headphones.

1:34:50BubblemanThat's it, man. That's real hot when you leave it on the bowl. Get some aloe for your finger. You know what? Burning the inside of your fingers is nothing compared to the outsides. That was one of the worst burns I've done in a while. I feel really bad for people who burn themselves. That is no joke. I can't believe the pain I had just from burning three of my knuckles with second degree burns.

1:35:24BubblemanPain is real.

1:35:26SpeakerWell, imagine if you would have burnt four of them.

1:35:33SpeakerHow did you manage to burn three of your knuckles, by the way, knucklehead?

1:35:36BubblemanHow did I manage to burn three of my knuckles? Well, this is how I did it, knucklehead, from a knucklehead. My son decided it was a good idea to take all the cushions off the couch and pile them up against the fireplace while we had a roaring fire. My wife had of course closed the gate for safety purposes so logs don't roll out on him and whatnot.

1:36:02BubblemanBut I ran out, I heard her scream and then I ran out because my office is right there and I saw these pillows so I grabbed one of the pillows and I went like this and this whole side of the pillow was like liquefying and on fire. So I went like this and it splashed all over the top of my fingers and basically...

1:36:23Etienne FontanI got burned pretty bad.

1:36:25BubblemanI threw a lot of, yeah, they were full melt pillows, Chili. They were full melt pillows. Can you believe that shit? Fuck, Chili, that's awesome. Full melt pillows. Dude, that burnt my hand so bad though. Like I thought it was going to be way worse. I got to say the power of lavender because I should have last night just these mild red marks here, here, here, here, and here were all bubbles.

1:36:53BubblemanThey had bubbled up quite badly and I thought, oh man, these are going to be bad. And I just kept pouring lavender oil just like all over it and then keeping ice on it for like honestly about 10 to 12 hours. I kept replacing the ice on my hand. And today, I have to admit, it's like 80% better. It doesn't hurt near, like it was so painful, like the nerves just got burnt.

1:37:18BubblemanAnd the feeling that that is, I couldn't believe such small little burns could hurt that bad. I have a whole new... Um, uh, compassion and empathy for glass blowers that post their burns on their hands and they, you know, they don't look that bad, but they look bad enough that I will forever feel bad for people burning their fingers. That shit is hurting.

1:37:41SpeakerWell, you got bubbles on your fingers and you're a bubble man, so.

1:37:45BubblemanDude, I'm, I'm not that kind of bubble man. This kind of bubble man.

1:37:50SpeakerYeah, I see it.

1:37:54BubblemanLittle six star for the pipe. I think, yeah. I think that's probably a good idea. Burns are really susceptible to infection. Great. Now I got that to deal with. Vanilla extracts for burns. Yeah, not the fake vanilla. You don't want to be putting beaver turps on your burns.

1:38:19SpeakerYeah, you could just have a pet beaver at home and stick your finger in whenever you burn it. Yeah, beavers aren't going to let you do that. Well, you got to put them in a very small cage, right?

1:38:33BubblemanOh, God. You are hilarious, dude.

1:38:39SpeakerIt really depends on the beaver.

1:38:40Bubbleman90U butter. No, wait. No, it is 73. That is the 73 SFB.

1:38:48Etienne FontanIs that from a 15-pound beaver or from a 16-pound beaver?

1:38:55BubblemanLet me just tell you, this beaver, beavers don't mess around. You probably have never been attacked by one. But if a beaver bites you, you're fucked. I don't just mean a little fucked. I mean bleeding out fucked.

1:39:09Etienne FontanHave you heard of people being bitten by beavers?

1:39:12BubblemanDude, punch it into the internet. Yeah, they're dangerous. You definitely don't want to be bit by a beaver. They take down trees. They fall trees with their teeth. And fast too. That's what I'm saying.

1:39:30SpeakerOnce a beaver starts on a tree, it doesn't take very long to knock a pretty good sized tree down. They have some serious incisors on them.

1:39:39Etienne FontanI didn't know they were that aggro. I thought they were pretty afraid. I didn't realize. Because Nutria rats are where I'm from in Louisiana. They're similar to beavers. And they'll go after you with these big orange teeth. Yeah, you could swat at them with a broom and they'll take a chunk out of a broom like this.

1:39:55BubblemanThat's psychotic.

1:39:58SpeakerYeah, well, beavers are not known to be a good animal to keep as a pet, you know. Now, beavers are extremely important in making entire ecosystems. They're called beaver ponds, and the beaver pond creates a whole ecosystem for filtering water and for all kinds of other, you know, aquatic life. And when they fall trees, they do that in areas where there's waterways, and it creates a dam, and the dam basically creates a whole ecosystem for a whole variety of life.

1:40:30SpeakerWe haven't... Yeah, I've heard farmers call them damn beavers. Beaver dams, I mean.

1:40:36Etienne FontanWe have at least one beaver attack on a human is known to have been fatal. A 60-year-old fisherman in Belarus. So a beaver bites a Belarus man is the only known.

1:40:47BubblemanSo beavers kill more people than cannabis.

1:40:50Etienne FontanCorrect.

1:40:52SpeakerWell, more Belarusians at least.

1:40:54BubblemanBelarusians. I like that you want to get accurate with it.

1:40:57Etienne FontanSo Belarusian beavers is what we're really talking about.

1:41:02SpeakerBelarusian beavers bite bad.

1:41:06BubblemanBelarusian beavers bite bad. You're just in time, Todd.

1:41:13Etienne FontanWe were just talking beavers?

1:41:16BubblemanJust in time for Belarusian beaver dabs.

1:41:21SpeakerDon't ask. What's up, Todd? Howdy, Todd. Good morning, everybody. Hello, Todd. Morning, Todd.

1:41:28Etienne FontanHello, Todd. Good morning, Todd. We were talking about a Belarusian beaver death where an actual beaver attacked somebody and killed them as the only known on the internets. We were talking about beavers and then I was clowning about beavers and then they said something about a beaver death and then look up beaver death and I looked up beaver death and it's actually a Belarusian man. And so that's what we were talking about, the excitingness of Belarusian beavers.

1:41:59Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

1:42:23SpeakerMy question is, was the Belarusian guy in Canada when he got bit, or was he actually in Belarus and got bit by a Belarusian beaver?

1:42:33Etienne FontanIt's a Belarusian beaver story, that's what it says on the internet.

1:42:36SpeakerWell, it's a Belarusian guy who got killed, but, I mean, you know, he might have been in Toronto. It's very possible. You know, though, if they're calling it the Belarusian beaver, maybe it was the beaver that was at home when he killed the foreigner.

1:42:52Etienne FontanFrom Wikipedia, a beaver attack is an attack on a human or domestic pet by a beaver. Beavers have been known to be extremely aggressive in defending their territory against perceived encroachment. At least one beaver attack on a human is known to have been fatal. A 60-year-old fisherman in Belarus died in 2013 after a beaver pit A beaver bit open an artery in his leg. The incident was described to the media as the latest in a series of beaver attacks on humans in the country, where a burgeoning beaver population has led to increased aggressive interactions with humans.

1:43:29Etienne FontanSo it seems to be Belarusian.

1:43:31SpeakerThere you go, commie. I knew it. They're commie beavers.

1:43:38Etienne FontanCommie zombie beavers. There you go. From Belarus. Oh, that's so funny. There you go. There's costume for Halloween, people.

1:43:47BubblemanOh, no. Look at Donald Duck is gone. He ducking left? He ducking left. Yeah, when Rob left, Donald Duck left. We get it. We get it. I like how the scientist always explains everything. It's awesome. It's like beaver dams, beaver ponds are entire ecosystems. I love you, Mark. It's pretty awesome that you're .

1:44:11SpeakerI used to go trout fishing. I used to actually look out for beaver dams because the beaver dams basically create a real deep pool that trout love.

1:44:21BubblemanIf you find a beaver dam- Yeah, fish in a barrel.

1:44:23SpeakerYeah, it's really like fish in a barrel, exactly.

1:44:26BubblemanI know all about the old fish in a barrel.

1:44:31BubblemanDonald didn't like the beaver talk, huh? What's your favorite lavender? Well, that would be French lavender.

1:44:43SpeakerSo, lavender is 50%, little of all.

1:44:48BubblemanThank you.

1:44:49SpeakerIt's an interesting terpene.

1:44:53SpeakerSamara back there. Yeah. Good morning, bro. How are you, dude? I am good. Happily, I'm not getting killed by a beaver.

1:45:07BubblemanYou know, the beaver talk is just to keep it a little bit, you know, rooted in its Canadian roots. Past church, beaver talk.

1:45:18Archive SeedsSo, is, like, purple urkel, is that smell, is that linalool?

1:45:24SpeakerNo, purple, well, I guess it would depend on which cutting you had, but I found that most of the purples We're in that same flavor class with Blue Dream and Granddaddy Perks. They're all pinene and myrcene plants.

1:45:38Archive SeedsOkay.

1:45:40SpeakerLittle Oil is more, you see it in some blueberries, and I've heard you see it in some of those lavender, but I haven't actually seen it up there.

1:45:49Archive SeedsI've got the... The purple indica, which is like an old purple variety here in the Northwest. And that's very, it gets described as lavender often, but I was just curious if like it was, it's different than, it smells different than Urkel, but Urkel is like real sweet, kind of like what you're saying, like a blue dream smell, but with a slight hint of purple. Whereas like the PI or what's also known as the ultraviolet or like UW perps, that is like, Pretty purpley lavender kind of smell.

1:46:25SpeakerI know we extracted 1,500 kilos of lavender for our company. And when I opened up the chamber and drained the stuff into a drum, my son and I both, at first we thought, wow, overpowering smell. And then a little while, a few minutes later, he said something and we started giggling. And then we couldn't stop giggling. We were really, really, really high. We had to go outside and sit on the ground for a while and stay out of the room.

1:46:52SpeakerBecause everything was funny. You know, you'd scratch your nose and you were laughing. You'd touch your fingers together and it was funny. And we were cracking each other up with the stupidest stuff. And it was all because we were exposed to that, those pure lavender terpenes. And it had a really strong effect on us. We had about 50 gallons of it at the time, which is why, probably.

1:47:16SpeakerThat's really interesting. Yeah, I've got some myrce and some little mixed up here. Not from cannabis, they're synthetic terps from an analytical lab. And dabbing those on some extract and it really puts a nice flavor on it. And it for sure has an effect too. No such thing as synthetic terps, just not cannabis derived terps. Well, I don't know if they're synthetically derived or they're extracted or what they are.

1:47:43SpeakerNo, they're just extracted from another plant source, that's all. Yeah.

1:47:48Archive SeedsWhat, what, uh... A mix of those two terps, what cannabis varieties would you say are similar?

1:47:59SpeakerWe found one variety down in California that was supposedly a blueberry, but it didn't have any blueberry that I'd ever seen before. It was a different terpene profile, and the top two terpenes were Myrcene and then Linalool was the second one. And it's quite rare to see Linalool in large amounts. You know, you see it in the OGs and the cookies, but it's usually the fourth or fifth terpene in order of prevalence, right?

1:48:27SpeakerRight. So it's really quite rare to see it as the top one or two terpene. It's the second clarinet in the orchestra.

1:48:40SpeakerEverybody needs a solo now and then, don't they, I guess? It's not the bass drum and it's not the first trumpet and not first violin. Yeah, but in some variety somewhere, it's going to come out in front, right? And so, I don't know, I think they're all, they all have their beauty. Ryan, remember that paper that you shared with me? I mean, Linalool is a terpenoid, right?

1:49:07SpeakerIt's an example of a... Yeah, it's a terpene alcohol. Yeah, terpene alcohol, so a terpene that's been oxidized, so it's a terpenoid because it has the oxygen on it. So there seems to be a prevalence of the oxygenated terpenoids in certain strains, doesn't there? That's according to some of the work that's been done recently. I'd like to see that tested outside of the lab. What the implication was in that paper is that that might be a genetic factor that you could select, right?

1:49:40SpeakerSomething that is actually oxidizing terpenes. Right. And so if that were the case, that would, you know, have, it would be interesting if you could move that genetic factor into different terpene profiles and see how it altered the profile.

1:49:55Archive SeedsI've got another question. So do you guys think that, because, I mean, how many cannabinoids are there potentially in cannabis? Hundreds, right? Or at least 150 or something, right?

1:50:05SpeakerNo, I think there's more like 90 or something.

1:50:09Archive SeedsOkay, 90. Do you guys think that some of the presence or some of those cannabinoids even have a flavor?

1:50:20SpeakerNone of the cannabinoids that I have tried have had a flavor. Or much more than the very slightest of slight smell. They're coming from the terpenes.

1:50:32Archive SeedsOkay, now I was just curious if, you know, because we don't ever test for the other 90 plus cannabinoids and, you know, what is too high molecular weight to have the effect on the flavor when you smoke it was just, you know, what you're saying.

1:50:46SpeakerAll I've tried is the top 12 cannabinoids. Most of the cannabinoids are really found in quite small amounts. You don't see them in, you know, you might see... We've got five or six present in significant amounts, not including both the neutral and acid forms, but even CBC and CBG are mostly found in pretty small quantities, and then any of the really rare stuff is just stuff that they've detected.

1:51:13SpeakerIt doesn't mean that they've got a plant that's producing 15% of that compound. Or even 1%. Yeah.

1:51:19Archive SeedsRight. I was just curious if they could even have a flavor.

1:51:24SpeakerToo high molecular weight, they're not volatile, so they won't be the same type of profile that you would get from squeezing a lemon, squeezing a grapefruit, or sticking your hand into a bunch of pine needles. You're just going to get the volatile essence of what's coming off, which is the terpene.

1:51:47SpeakerYeah, I would definitely suggest getting your weird smelling stuff. Archive there into the lab, into the, have it terpenoid tested. Get a GCF ID run.

1:52:01SpeakerAnd then see what you got. See what different smells you got.

1:52:04Archive SeedsYeah, no, I mean, I will. It's just a matter of finding labs that it's worth taking it to and spending the money with at this point.

1:52:13SpeakerAre you testing in Oregon?

1:52:15Archive SeedsYeah, but I mean, the labs down there are pretty much a joke at this point. I mean, I took in material, and they tested the flower and the hash from it, and one of them came up with pesticides. The hash came up with pesticides, but the flower didn't. Got it retested at a different lab. No presence, right? So it's just a matter of like pesticides that I've never even used before.

1:52:36Archive SeedsOne was like rat poison or something. You know, it's like I'm not making hash in my fucking garage on the floor, you know?

1:52:45SpeakerDoes that stuff get reported back to… Some regulatory body if you have failures?

1:52:53Archive SeedsIf it fails twice, then you have to destroy the product.

1:52:57SpeakerYou know, the problem with the labs is it's not the equipment they're using, but it's the know-how of the person running the equipment. And you can take 10 different lab samples to 10 different labs and come back and come up with 10 different results. Right.

1:53:13Archive SeedsAnd that's my problem with just, you know, I'm not going to spend money for scientific data unless I know it's going to be valuable data.

1:53:23SpeakerGo buy yourself a GC with an FID or a GC with a mass spec on the end. Take the time to learn how to run it for what you need to understand and then start turning out your own paperwork on it.

1:53:36Archive SeedsYeah, it's just a matter of investing the time, the energy, the space into it. I pretty much do everything else. We don't outsource making hash or growing or any of our processes. I mean, testing's kind of, I need to hire someone at this point.

1:53:55SpeakerAbsolutely. The person that runs that equipment is more important than the equipment itself. I don't think I should be running it. It's not that I'm incapable. You need to hire a bachelor chemist who knows, understands the precision and the accuracy of the measurements that are being made. No, that's not true. You get a bud, you shove it in the front of the GC, and it tells you everything.

1:54:20SpeakerI think Pinocchio's nose is starting to grow. I see it growing. There it is. It's got bigger. Pinocchio, you're spinning bullshit. You just can't do that on camera because your nose is going to get bigger. You're just jealous because we can shove a bud into any GC any which way upside down and we get better results in NMR. What is the... A method of determining whether the buds upside down or downside up.

1:54:54SpeakerYou have to feel the vibes. We just rotate the GC.

1:55:04SpeakerAnyway, this conversation is getting silly.

1:55:08BubblemanI got bounced so I don't even know what it's about.

1:55:12SpeakerWe're just talking about the reliability of testing labs and making sure that we can establish a standard set of methods and good, highly trained people. I think John hit the nail on the head. You've got to have someone who knows what they're doing, and yet a lot of this pesticide contamination isn't coming from the gardens. It's coming from the labs themselves. Well, hold on a second now.

1:55:37SpeakerI don't think you can actually say, like, can you say that there's been one documented case where that's been the actual happening? You know, like there might be sample switching or something like that, but sample labs now are contaminating the sample, labs are contaminating the samples?

1:55:54Archive SeedsWell, it could be a dirty sample, then contaminate samples after that due to using a similar equipment, the same space or whatever.

1:56:05SpeakerWell, without cleaning the equipment between tests, that's a high likability to happen in any case.

1:56:10Archive SeedsWell, that or they just tested something that was really, really dirty and everything that it touched, the table, everything is dirty now, right? And now they've got to clean everything, every piece of equipment that they have.

1:56:25SpeakerWell, that should be protocol though.

1:56:31Archive SeedsWhen they're trying to sell you on 24-hour turnarounds because the state's doing that, you know, they're doing so many samples and they're trying to do it quickly because people need the product. People can't be waiting a month for a test to come back, right?

1:56:47SpeakerYeah, I think that's probably very specific.

1:56:53Etienne FontanThis is the reality that we're facing, especially here in Berkeley, is that we're told that we have to conform to these standards, but necessarily we're finding that the standards are changing because now these laboratories are able to test for more and more pesticides, and we're actually finding products that was passing before is actually popping up. So I don't think there's any validity to that there would be enough of a contamination on a table to give a high enough spike on a residue.

1:57:25Etienne FontanIt was a 1 ppm or something like that. These are significant spikes when we're talking, when we're dealing with pesticides.

1:57:31Archive SeedsNo, but I'm saying that my product that was contaminated at their lab or got a contaminated result from them because they test for like 28 pesticides up here in Oregon, and we have been testing since I opened my store.

1:57:43SpeakerSo it's not, it's not, like, I know what products I use, exactly, and I know... For one, you should find out what their lab testing method is. You know, John said you can use a GC, and I guess you can, but... GC mass spec for... The preferred method now is LCMS. Yeah. I know...

1:58:06SpeakerSC Labs just invested in some LCMSs. And I believe that John Page at Anandia is also doing the same thing. But that's really the preferred way. So what they're doing is they're blowing it into an electrospray mass spec where they're ionizing everything in the thing. And obviously with electrospray mass spec, you have sensitivity down to the sub part per million regime. So now you're in the part per billion regime, okay?

1:58:32SpeakerAnd when you look at the part per billion regime in anything, including food that you buy at the store today, you're going to find everything in there, dude. It's like taking a lint brush to a New York City sidewalk. When you look at the part per billion regime, you're going to find everything. And yeah, I can't speak. What you were asking about before, Ryan, I can't speak to specific examples because I'm under confidentiality, but I can tell you that it's all fucked up.

1:59:01SpeakerAnd when you take a GC mass spec, you know that when you inject that into the injection port, it heats it up to 200 or 250 degrees. And so, like Fletch said, these labs are in the business of grinding out samples on a 24-hour turnaround They don't have time to clean out their injection ports as often as they should, so there's all kinds of residual shit in the injection port from previous samples if they're not constantly cleaning it out and running controls to show that in between samples, you get baseline.

1:59:38SpeakerYou don't see anything, anything from the residual samples before. But when you start looking at the part per billion regime, okay, think of this. Part per million is one in a million, right? When you go from one in a million to one in a billion, dude, that's fucking three orders of magnitude, man. I mean, you could see things that are airborne. You could see all kinds of shit at that level.

2:00:07SpeakerIt's a whole different ballgame, man. So if they want to say zero, meaning zero part per billion, yeah, I mean, if you use that same scrutiny, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:00:36SpeakerIn agricultural-based products, so you can't buy a foliar application spray or anything for agricultural use that contains this active ingredient. This active ingredient is used for topical infections like athlete's foot and yeast infection and stuff like that. So obviously someone either, you know, got Thank you for joining us.

2:01:20SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:01:47SpeakerOn it, it'll find cocaine on bills. That's how sensitive these techniques are. So, again, I think, yeah. Your characterization of that, starting with the yeast infection of a dog and then carrying on to Viagra is disturbing. Okay.

2:02:11SpeakerDogs stole things they never had, you know.

2:02:16Archive SeedsIt just sounds like some busy dogs.

2:02:20SpeakerEvery dog needs a bone, John. Just the fact that a dog with a yeast infection makes a bad picture in my brain. No, dogs get staph infection. I'm just saying, we found that we looked for the preventments of this particular fungicide. We found it in no agricultural-based products. It's only used in topical creams, and typically, this one's not used for… It's used for dogs and horses that get infections.

2:02:50SpeakerClearly, somebody used some and then it got it on their glove or their hand.

2:02:55Archive SeedsThat was exactly what happened though with our test. It came back with a product that I've never even seen it before, never even purchased it before. There's no way it got on my product. It was like a rat poison or something. I don't remember exactly what it was. It's like some kind of shit you'd find in a barn.

2:03:15Archive SeedsYou know.

2:03:17SpeakerSo you're growing your stuff in a barn or what? What's that? You're growing your stuff in a barn or?

2:03:23Archive SeedsDefinitely not. But the point is that it's just that you're testing positive for things that aren't even in your list of ingredients, much less, you know. I don't understand how it could become contaminated. And then you take it to another lab and it tests clean, right? So not to mention that same lab, right, tested the flower and the hash. The hash tested positive. The flower that it was made from didn't test positive for any of the pesticides.

2:03:51Archive SeedsSo what? The hash picked it up from the water?

2:03:55SpeakerWell, no, probably what happened in that case was hash is more concentrated form of the flower, and so there wasn't enough in the flower for the thing to pick up on, but maybe when it was in the hash, there was enough for it to pick up on. It's a matter of concentration sometimes.

2:04:11Archive SeedsI mean, but the hash went to another lab and didn't test positive, so what's...

2:04:16SpeakerWell, I mean, every lab's going to come up with a different story. Like I said, it's the operators of the labs that are important.

2:04:22Archive SeedsWell, and that's the only point that I'm making is that the lab that was doing the 24-hour turnaround and all that stuff had the contamination issues. The people that it took three or five days or whatever did it. So what does that say? Did I contaminate the product or did the lab? I think it's pretty obvious who did.

2:04:40SpeakerWhat does that say? The 24-hour turnaround, those guys are just banging out samples, sending out data, banging out samples. They don't break down their instruments. They don't clean them. They don't run standards. You don't know how valuable those results are. None of those labs are running a constant baseline test in between tests because they can't afford to do that money-wise or time-wise, so they just keep putting one test in after another.

2:05:07SpeakerIf they were forced into cleaning the equipment between tests like they should... That wouldn't be an issue. Some of the labs are in the process of getting ISO certified, so...

2:05:20Archive SeedsI'm not willing to spend my money until there's a lab that can actually show me that they're running a legitimate business here and actually providing me data that I can actually make theories and stuff from, not just a bunch of bullshit. That's whatever they'll turn around so that you can sell the product.

2:05:41Etienne FontanYou can demand calibration sheets. They should be calibrated before each test, and you should demand to see that.

2:05:48Archive SeedsIt should probably be tested in triplicate. I mean, that's how almost everything else is done.

2:05:52SpeakerNo, you're not paying the price to have it tested in triplicate.

2:05:56Archive SeedsI'm just saying if the state wants you to sell the product to the consumer, I'm just saying they make you do it for pills. Why wouldn't it be any different for cannabis?

2:06:06SpeakerWell, they manufacture pills. They manufacture millions of pills. Nobody manufactures millions of cannabis yet. Well, not only that.

2:06:15Archive SeedsMillions of grams happens every day. I mean, you should see some of these farms in Oregon. There's huge 20,000, 40,000 square foot farms. That's canopy size, too.

2:06:24SpeakerYeah, but that's nothing compared to how many pills they turn out every day.

2:06:29Archive SeedsI'm sure you can't just do it carte blanche, one test for a billion pills. There's certain volumes I'm sure they have to test every 100,000, every million.

2:06:39SpeakerIt's not a good comparison, though. I mean, cannabis is a natural product that has Variation within the plant, you know, even from branch to branch.

2:06:47Archive SeedsI'm just pointing out the standards that are in other industries. I'm not arguing what it should or shouldn't be. I'm just pointing out what it is elsewhere.

2:06:55SpeakerWell, you can't have the same standards for ketchup that you can for grapefruit juice. It's just, you know, it just doesn't work out that way.

2:07:05Archive SeedsI mean, if you're determining whether it's safe for someone to consume, I don't see how it's very different.

2:07:15SpeakerWell, look.

2:07:16Archive SeedsI mean, analyzing it for what it is, yeah, sure, but like analyzing it for whether it's safe about pesticides, which is what we're talking about, I would ask for some more things.

2:07:26SpeakerIf they start looking at apples in a parts per billion, you're going to find out that there's a lot of arsenic in it and, you know, that's going to throw a scare into people and they're going to say, oh, apples have got arsenic in them and, you know, they'll poison you. And so it's a level that they're choosing to test on. No need to test for parts per billion because a parts per billion laboratory is a special place.

2:07:50SpeakerYou know, it has standards that... Thank you for joining us.

2:08:22SpeakerSo, you know, I want to bring something up, though, is, you know, all of our piss testing is done at nanograms or parts per billion. And the reality is, is that these labs are everywhere and they've been using them to convict us for decades. And the other side of it is, is we have cutoff levels and the cutoff levels are really what we use to determine if a sample is contaminated or if a sample is positive.

2:08:47SpeakerLook, even police laboratories are busted all the time fucking up on looking at stuff by not cleaning the equipment up before or after or having bad operators. So it's not like it's not something that goes across the board. You know, all laboratories are subject to it. Hey, Todd, you know how they determine those numbers? Those numbers are basically determined by the sensitivity of the machine. They went as low as they possibly could.

2:09:15SpeakerNine nanograms per liter, bam. That's what we could determine reliably. That will be the cutoff, therefore, you know?

2:09:25SpeakerYeah. Anyway, crickets. Crickets. Crickets. Yep. That's the same way you pretty much do everything. This engine will turn out 400 horsepower. That means you probably can't make it turn out more than that without breaking it. So could be.

2:09:44Archive SeedsI just think the case is with most of these labs is they're in the business of selling tests, not an analysis. And that's the case for most of these labs, especially in states like Oregon where in like especially recently because I mean the state had like this October 1st cutoff line for bringing in medical products. So they were literally slamming out tests as fast as they could do it because every store was getting product tested, right?

2:10:14SpeakerSo what will go along with ISO certification will be quarterly audits of those labs. And so those labs will be audited by an independent third party. And to maintain ISO certification, they'll have to show their records and their log books that show routine maintenance of the machine, continued training of the operators. And calibration sheets. Yes. And calibration, exactly. So when ISO certification happens in this industry, the labs that are not ISO certified, that are not able to show those kinds of records and results will just be out of business.

2:10:53Archive SeedsRight, I can't wait for those days because then I'll actually feel confident purchasing analysis and be able to actually come to conclusions about what I actually have.

2:11:05SpeakerYeah, I agree. I think the stake that you have right now, I mean, I would venture to say that making an investment in in-house analytics for you in particular would be a really smart decision up until that point comes because then you'll have your own Right. I agree. You've got to find someone to do it.

2:11:35SpeakerYou find yourself a third or fourth year PhD chemistry student who's looking for extra work. He'll know a few other guys who are looking as well. You buy yourself an older GC with mass spec on the end of it.

2:11:50Archive SeedsI'll buy a new GC, please. Well, I'm going to consult on you guys to get it set up.

2:11:58SpeakerHit me up. This is what I do, man.

2:12:00Archive SeedsYeah.

2:12:02SpeakerBut I would recommend buying a new GC just because you don't know the crap that was run in that GC before. I mean, they might be able to show you a set of curves that say, hey, this is clean and this is operating. But again, remember that those injection ports is basically like a frying pan. And a lot of the compounds, and this is, again, part of the reason why I like NMR is because it's at a room temperature analysis as opposed to GC, which heats the stuff up to 200, 250 degrees, which causes all kinds of chemistry to happen.

2:12:35SpeakerWell, I have the SRI 8106C from SRI and that machine for a year showed me and taught me a lot. And really it was, it's, they're like 10 grand US here in the area. I'm pretty sure you can find one used. But that machine for a year taught me so much and I was able to look at things. I mean, a lot of the stuff I kept to myself, but I was able to take a look at how I was able to grow different ways with hash and stuff.

2:12:58SpeakerThat's where you're going to learn your best is just kind of understanding it and learning it and Thank you for watching.

2:13:18SpeakerSo John, what was your reason for looking at in-house analytics? I mean, you were like with Fletch, like looking to do pesticide analysis, but what was your reason for wanting to buy that to have for yourself? Well, I worked with the Green Cross and Dr. Hornby for years in the beginning from 2006 to 2009 and understanding enabled, for me it was about standardizing and being able to have the same medicine over and over and being able to test and seeing how the plant was growing and where I was seeing the peaks and stuff like that in the beginning.

2:13:54SpeakerI didn't get to learn about the extractions. I was only able to use the machine. Paul was doing the initial analysis, but I was prepping and understanding it and learning all the works. So once I was able to have the opportunity to actually obtain and be able to use one for a year, of course I took that and was able to start taking a look at the hashes, take a look at the 73, 90, 120 microns.

2:14:18SpeakerI learned a lot. I learned a lot from when heat extraction to a non-heat extraction where we saw different terpenes and the fats. I've learned a lot. And that was probably the best thing for me is understanding more about what I'm taking every day for my medicine. So for me, extractions came a really key point in understanding my pain. So that was the next step in me understanding what was going on with me, I guess.

2:14:41SpeakerJust how things worked. But this machine that you were talking about for 10,000 US, this is not looking at part per billion, you know, trace contaminants like pesticides we're talking about. But what you're looking at is, you know, the... Cannabinoid profiles, right? Cannabinoid profiles, right. And you can see if there's like butanes or anything like that. You can put different things into the GC, of course, so you can take a look at different...

2:15:05SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:15:24SpeakerPeople know me. I'd hide out in the garage for like a day and a half because you start chasing peaks. You start really understanding and taking a look at how things are developing for your medicine and how things, just even how the plant grows, seeing when your THC spikes, understanding heat fluctuations in my room due to that fluctuation of THC. It's just interesting in how you were able to, how I've learned over the years, because it's just being something I've wanted to learn.

2:15:47SpeakerIt's just being like, I just kind of got to know, right? And that's what you're into. You kind of got to know for yourself. Instead of taking it to somebody else, really you'll find so much more in understanding and learning yourself. Like I said, the SRI team, I called them like so much on holidays, on Saturdays. I really, they got, he would laugh. He goes, okay, John, you're becoming an expert at this now because I asked them so many questions.

2:16:11SpeakerSo it's really, I know you don't have the time, but you'll make time because it's what you want to learn. And John, this was in between that you did the ceramic metal halide study on? Yeah, and the Endomax, and I saw the different, you know, it's all the research that I did on taking a look at even power rating with lighting and stuff like that where I saw where I was getting more TAC, where the resins, yeah, that was all that whole thing I needed to know, and it was just kind of something that I did, and it was releasing a lot of the videos I was doing, but a lot of the testing because I am not a chemist, and I didn't want to get like hit with all these kind of different things, you know what Thank you for watching.

2:17:09SpeakerA whole nother level, right? So, I mean, we're always scratching the surface. So that's kind of the next step. And that's, you know, even with the Turpin of the Blue River and all these things that are happening, it's really understanding. And I think that's what you need to do is you just got to understand more and learn it for yourself. And it just opens up more doors for your research and what you want to kind of, what you're doing.

2:17:28SpeakerI don't know. John, you know what you discovered? You discovered the magic key. And that is, instead of asking why, you decided to ask how. Pretty much. That's pretty much. You know, people who ask why all the time never really get the other part of it. And you pushed yourself to the other side because you needed to understand. So you asked yourself how, and that's the most important question.

2:17:56SpeakerYeah, exactly. That's awesome. Thumbs up. I like asking why. I like trying to figure out why. Oh, we all try to figure out why. It's why, how. But you know what? For me, I needed to know and understand how that plant was working so well for me, and it all started back to when I fell, right? So back in 2005, and that's when everything changed dramatically. Thank you so much for being here.

2:18:49SpeakerIt's kind of a lifestyle, I guess, eh? I mean, everybody here, it's kind of what we do. We love it. It's a plant. It's healing of the nation, like Richie Spice says.

2:19:00SpeakerCrickets. Hey, Johnny. Let's have a bong rip, brother, and every other mother lovers out there. Let's bong rip. I'm ahead of you. Beat you to it. I got in first. I just didn't announce it, I don't think. Hey, D, how is the Slayers going?

2:19:29Etienne FontanYour videos are incredible.

2:19:30SpeakerFucking absolutely incredible. There's not a word I can say to describe how fucking awesome it was. Because, wow. Wow. It was, Slayers was my all-time favorite. Heavy metal band that I grew up listening to since 1983 when they released their Show No Mercy album. So tell us about your rhythm. Pardon me? Tell us about the whole rhythm. Well, you know, it's awesome how the universe works on my side with me because we were sitting back here thinking, you know, we're waiting for a call from someone to hook up with people and, and, And help some people out and make some people happy with medication.

2:20:19SpeakerAnd I was thinking to myself, well, are we waiting in van? Are we waiting out there? And it just kind of turned into, okay, well, you know what? Maybe we'll just head out there and we'll be early and we can hang out at Johnny B's and we'll just be prepared and ready to go when they need us. And then literally we sit down at Cactus Club to have lunch.

2:20:40SpeakerWe ordered lunch. And the road crew guy phoned me up and said, are you guys part of the sound check party? And we said, yeah, because we had the VIP stuff and everything. And he says, well, it starts in 20 minutes. And we happened to be five minutes away from the Coliseum where it was being played at. So the universe pushed us out there without us realizing when we were supposed to be there or anything at all.

2:21:04SpeakerAnd we got to do the sound check with them and watched them. I talked with Kerry King for a minute. We talked about goatees. I told him I had my starter kit going. And we just kind of laughed a little bit. And we talked for about a minute and a half, two minutes. It was pretty fucking, pretty cool. And then, you know, that was the meet and greet.

2:21:23SpeakerAnd we didn't get to get any pictures or anything like that with anybody. But then we got beside the stage, the side stage, and watched them there. And I got some videos up on that and some pictures on Instagram and Facebook. And, uh, And then the guy that I helped out there, like I don't want to really say too much because I don't want to, I don't know if I should, right?

2:21:47SpeakerBut just put your fucking minds together and figure it out, everybody out there. But that guy, I said, I'd like a picture of these guys. That's all I kind of want from this situation. He was like, oh, these guys don't take pictures and they don't do that stuff. But, you know, we'll see what I can do. So they gave me, gave us after show party stickers to put on the chest here and then Thank you for watching.

2:22:36SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:23:00SpeakerAnd we hung out and we talked for a few minutes like fucking just man to man. And it was like, fuck, it was like I was literally a fangirl at a Beatles concert that just got touched by fucking one of them on the fucking head or something. I could have fucking fainted or something. Inside I was a little girl screaming and squealing and fucking stamping my feet and fucking losing it.

2:23:24SpeakerBut I maintained my cool and I shook his hand and we got a picture together. And the one guy that I was talking with, that I believe you helped us, hooked us up together with Mark, was messaged me and told me that that is a very rare occurrence. Tom never ever does that type of thing. And I felt really fucking honored that he did that and come into the room and took a picture with us and talked with us and You know, just conferred with us.

2:23:57SpeakerIt was fucking awesome. Dude, you'll never, never, ever forget that, right? Ever. This is like one of the highest, besides my children and my grandchildren, this is it. That is the next fucking thing that hit, that's on my list, man, of absolute amazing, awesome, fucking the coolest things I could have ever done. And he also said that the road crew said that they had burned the best they had ever burned all tour.

2:24:25SpeakerFrom D420K. So, that is just fucking amazing, man. Like, that's the other part that just fucking pops my fucking head off, man. I'm telling you. Thanks for the hookup, Mark and Mark. No problem, man. Awesome. It was amazing. It was amazing. That's all I can say. You're so animated. Very cool.

2:24:49BubblemanVery cool, dude. That's fucking awesome. We are going to have to mute both your mics. Because as I'm talking, it is creating a wicked echo. There we go. It was just D420K. I guess we've sent the link out to Mowgli Holmes, and hopefully he's going to be coming in here in the near future. I think, is that correct, Chimera? We sent that link out? Perhaps, perhaps.

2:25:19SpeakerThey're muted. Remember, they're muted.

2:25:21BubblemanYeah, but they must know they're muted, no?

2:25:23SpeakerYes, we're muted. Oh, I'm muted? Oh, I didn't even know I was muted. Yes, the link was sent. Yes, we sent Mowgli the link, and I'm hoping he'll be here.

2:25:37BubblemanAll right, well, great. That's wonderful. It's pretty awesome to hear that the D420K was the best Slayer puffed all tour. That's where it's at right there for sure. That beats any photo, but then getting the photo too was pretty awesome. I also was surprised to see that photo. I was like, damn, look at that. Those guys got in. Good for you guys. Well-deserved. Well-deserved by two good dudes.

2:26:05SpeakerIsn't it great how music brings these great, happy events to people? I witnessed it last night in the arena, Mark, and I was looking around, and everybody was just all synced up, man, and the music just brought everyone together, and here it is, everyone's having this collective vibe, and very different music than Slayer, certainly, but music is where it's at, I think.

2:26:32BubblemanYep, and then of course cannabis, you know, cannabis and music because music and cannabis is like peanut butter and jelly. They just go well together. There's no doubt about it. Hell yeah. How many people smoke their first doobie at a concert? I mean, come on. I'm sure there's a few of you out there or at least their first great doobie at a concert.

2:26:56SpeakerNo, I was having a machine gun concert across the road shooting it.

2:27:01BubblemanI know. I also wasn't at a concert, but I'm just saying for those of you that were, there's got to be a few.

2:27:08SpeakerMy first concert was, I went to Woodstock when I came back from Vietnam and got on some kind of acid from someone there that was, it was very, very, very amazing. The brown acid. I don't remember what it was. I just remember that I could sit in the pond. There was a bunch of people in the pond. And then the last day I was there, when they were cleaning the place up, the farmer came over and he was hauling a huge alligator turtle out of the pond.

2:27:46SpeakerNobody got bit by it the whole time. I mean, there was at times 35, 40 people completely stoned. I mean, really high in the pond. So I'm pretty sure that the turtle was just grooving with everybody.

2:28:01Etienne FontanThose are not turtles to fuck with, man.

2:28:04SpeakerNobody fucked with it because he didn't bite anyone. I mean, you know, Jesus. It was a good size one. He was the size of a garbage can. He said, come on, my lord, who cares?

2:28:15BubblemanAlright, now we're going to mute you guys again. Boom.

2:28:18Etienne FontanThere you go. I see Rob popped in, but he's been quiet.

2:28:25BubblemanYes, I think he did pop in. I tried to welcome both him and D420K, but then I always feel bad interrupting people too, so. I think I just best to welcome people through the chat aspect when they come in and I'm unable to say, I always feel bad not being able to say, welcome D420K, welcome Rob Clark, welcome whoever else.

2:28:48SpeakerThank you very much, Mark. It's so nice of you to welcome.

2:28:52BubblemanYes, well, you are always welcome, that's for sure. But I guess it's nice to be welcomed as well.

2:28:58SpeakerI'm just hanging out. I was kind of waiting for Magli to come on.

2:29:01BubblemanAwesome, yes. Well, we'll hope that he comes on here in the next little bit. I'm sure he's a busy guy, but it'll be interesting to hear the conversation that ensues, the strong finish to today's Hash Church. I think it's going to be a good conversation.

2:29:14SpeakerI shall be here.

2:29:16Etienne FontanExcellent.

2:29:17SpeakerTalk to you guys. Bye.

2:29:20Etienne FontanHe will be here.

2:29:21BubblemanWe've got 721 people watching live right now on Hash Church, wondering what's up. I know one of the things that's up, which is for next week, we have potentially, I spoke with Dr. Natasha, and she was talking with Colton Turner and his mother, Wendy, and it's been a while since they've been on Hash Church, so they were thinking about maybe making another appearance, letting us know how things are going.

2:29:46BubblemanHe's obviously a big activist now, and he's really quite involved. Which is wonderful to see. It'll be nice to share the channel with him for the episode and let him tell us exactly what's going on and the things that he's learned and how his health is. I think that... Dr. Tasha will be here for that conversation as well.

2:30:07Etienne FontanHe has been an amazing advocate and so has his mother. They have really embraced the opportunity they have for Colton's healing and have really spread the message to people and they've been going around. They're not resting on their laurels. They're Going around and making people aware of the benefits of Colton's medicine and nothing but mad respect for them both. One, for the patient to come out and be an advocate is challenging in itself because a lot of us know what it's like to not have family support you, but then to have your mother become as strong an advocate and making sure that you get out there to get your voice there is beautiful and mad respect.

2:30:50BubblemanYeah, it's pretty cool. I will agree as well that it's nice to see. I've always had, my family has always been fairly quiet about it due to the nature of the work they do, but recently my own mother posted like one of my interviews on her Facebook page and it kind of brought me a little teary-eyed thinking that finally, all these years later, she's able to support me in a very like Outwardly way of sharing a link with any, you know, and mentioning my son is a cannabis activist or whatever.

2:31:19BubblemanAnd these are some of the things he does. So it was nice to see, nice to see my mom post that. That's for me quite a level. It's nowhere near where Colton's mom is at with her level of activism, which is very commendable. But it's nice to see my mom coming out of her shell nonetheless and allowing a little bit more because it's the sharing, right? It's when you choose not to share the information.

2:31:42BubblemanThat you damn up that knowledge with all the people that you know that you could share that information with. So it's nice to just let it flow freely. Don't damn up the knowledge, especially when it's good cannabis knowledge.

2:31:56SpeakerOne of these days she's going to blow your mind and roll up a duber.

2:32:01BubblemanRoll up a duber. Indeed.

2:32:06SpeakerMy mom and dad, I was able to talk them into smoking one with me when I came back to Vietnam. My dad and I were in Vietnam together, but he came back before I did. And when I came back, I was able to talk them both into smoking. They smoked the whole thing through with me, and they sat there staring at me for a long time. Dad got up, got something to eat, went to the bedroom.

2:32:32SpeakerMom followed him in. There was quite a bit of banging coming from the room all night, and then the next day my mother said, we're never going to smoke that again. So, I don't know what happened. Well, you got an idea. Yeah, I did. I have ten brothers and sisters, so, yeah. Jeez.

2:32:59SpeakerYeah, my dad told me as soon as they discovered what was causing it, they quit, you know, but It took a while though, eh? 11 kids later. Jeez.

2:33:09BubblemanThat's a serious amount of children right there. I grew up with one sister.

2:33:16SpeakerYeah, I grew up with four sisters. And, uh, We grew up in military housing areas and so there was this, they would open up two sides to a duplex to us, but still that meant two bathrooms and two bathrooms for 13 people can be a struggle.

2:33:36Etienne FontanYeah, I'm the youngest of 13 and I can attest it sucks.

2:33:41SpeakerYeah, big time. My sister used to, my dad would bring home enough chicken to like two fried chickens. And there was 13 of us. And then my sister would always invite her boyfriend over. And man, the forks would fly after my dad got done saying grace. But the three pieces I had were very, very good.

2:34:05BubblemanYeah, that's insane. That's a serious amount of people you got. Like, just if Etienne and Indra got together with their families, it would be like 30 plus people.

2:34:16Etienne FontanNo, just coordinating that would be hell. Nope. Oh my God. Plus, majority of my family are Mormons or Catholic. We don't get along as it is, and I guarantee I don't think we'd all vibe together with Indra. Damn.

2:34:31BubblemanWell, let's set it up. Let's set it up.

2:34:35SpeakerListen, my mother is Jewish and my dad's Catholic. So how did that even happen? I think my dad and my mom eloped and my dad used to have a picture of a 1944 with about nine holes in the back of it. And I said, what are those from, dad? And he said, that was the shotgun your mother's father fired at us when I was driving off with her in New Jersey from the chicken farm.

2:35:05SpeakerShots fired. Shots fired. But anyway, they stayed together. And so now we got a bunch of really strange kids and brothers and sisters. And I don't even know what they all do. I mean, it's...

2:35:19Etienne FontanThey're so badly abounded of nieces and nephews, right?

2:35:23SpeakerWell, when I went to Vietnam, my youngest sister was three years old. And so there was quite a spread between us.

2:35:32SpeakerRight. The people just don't have Thank you so much for joining us.

2:36:01Etienne FontanI grew up in Louisiana. There was a family who took up an entire pew. They had 10 of them and they were all homeschooled. We're all scared of them.

2:36:10SpeakerIt's an economic dynamic. You know, when in the older days you had more kids to make sure that somebody was there to take care of you when you were older. And nowadays you got the government taking care of your ass and sending cheese over and everything. And so,

2:36:28Etienne FontanNo, they stopped the cheese. They stopped making the cheese, unfortunately.

2:36:31SpeakerDamn.

2:36:34Etienne FontanI used to make the best grilled cheese sandwiches with that, man. I tell you what.

2:36:42SpeakerWas that one of those ready to eat meals, grilled cheese sandwiches?

2:36:45Etienne FontanNo, it was that gelatinous log that they provided you and you had to somehow hack into depending on temperature of the ambient room temperature that you could hack into and then depending on the quality of bread.

2:37:03SpeakerYeah. I missed out on the government cheese thing. I think I was somewhere else. I was probably in India.

2:37:10Etienne FontanYeah, you really didn't miss it. It probably was absolutely bad for me. But as a kid, it made, like I said, the best grilled cheese sandwiches in the world.

2:37:19SpeakerI love a grilled cheese sandwich. In India, the favorite way to make a grilled cheese sandwich is a big slice of onion and a tomato and then the cheese. And then they grill it after it's put together that way. And that's very popular. You can find that nearly any restaurant in India. The onion on it, huh? Yeah. A big thick slice of onion, big thick slice of tomato, cheese, and then they toast it for you.

2:37:46BubblemanWith a side of Hep C or?

2:37:49SpeakerWell, you can always get that in an Indian restaurant. You didn't have to order anything special. It came with the same cook that made the cheese sandwich, made the tossed salad. Oh my God.

2:38:03Etienne FontanAnd stirred it with his left hand, right? That's just wrong.

2:38:08SpeakerThe strangest thing in India was when Colonel Sanders went there. Right. And actually established Kentucky Fried Chicken stores there. And then the next thing you know, you saw an ad on TV, and this was amazing, of Indian people eating fried chicken with their left hand and going, wow, it's finger licking good. Such a dichotomy because in India everybody wipes their ass with their left hand, right? And so that shows how powerful Colonel Sanders was that they were able to get Indian people on TV licking their fingers of their left hand after eating chicken.

2:38:44SpeakerAnd that was corporate power for you that was just unbelievable.

2:38:50BubblemanYeah, that's next level disgustingness for sure.

2:38:54SpeakerWell, then in India, you also had the thing where the Brahmins weren't supposed to be eating chicken anyway, so they would send Muslims that worked for them down to Colonel Sanders to stand in line and get two buckets of chicken and bring it home, and then the Brahmins would eat it as well. The same guys, you know, the Indians, I rode on planes with them from India where everything was, you know, oh yes, and da, da, da, and then they got off the plane in Singapore and ordered a steak.

2:39:19SpeakerSo, you know. Suppression is suppression. I don't care what color it is.

2:39:25BubblemanYeah. Indeed.

2:39:30Etienne FontanIndeed.

2:39:31BubblemanIndeed. Indeed. Well played, Etienne. Well played.

2:39:39BubblemanOh, Johnny B, anything good going on over there?

2:39:46SpeakerLots of great things going on over here.

2:39:50SpeakerWow, that's amazing. I bet y'all can almost pass a bong. I mean, this is like, you're passing that bong over. This is what's happening right now. This is the great thing that's happening. Look at the head on you. Bong rip, mother. I mean, I just landed yesterday. Let's do this. Wait, I want to see y'all take a bong hit at the same time. Let's do it. I feel fantastic.

2:40:23SpeakerBones up.

2:40:29BubblemanJohnny B's got the bong.

2:40:34Etienne FontanHey, Johnny, what are you puffing on today? What fine flour flavor?

2:40:41SpeakerOkay, so I'm just building up some dry sift that I made before I went to Toronto. And it's a full milk. So I need a scooper.

2:40:51Etienne FontanDo you have a scooper by any chance?

2:40:55SpeakerI can do a pour. Okay, so I'm just doing sift.

2:41:03SpeakerI can just grab it with my fingers. I can press it out anyways right away. And just, you know, just some stuff that I made, of course, static, and had some stuff that came out of a trim bin that a friend gave me. He's like, here, can you clean this? I'm like, yep. So he gave it to me, and it's tasty.

2:41:20Etienne FontanA quick public service announcement. Please realize that next weekend is Daylight Savings Time, at least here in the U.S., so we'll be in spring forward, fall back, so we'll be back an hour apparently. Ooh.

2:41:37Etienne FontanIt's become that time of year.

2:41:54Etienne FontanI just don't understand the logic of it and why we continue it in this day. I mean, I know it has to do with supposed conservative of conserving of natural resources, etc. But it seemed like back in the day it was really set up for farming and for farmers. We're no longer the agrarian society that we are today. It seems pretty, I don't know, obstructive.

2:42:21SpeakerWell, maybe you can't say we're an agrarian society, but somehow we can't manage to continue on without the benefits of an agrarian output somewhere along the line. And we can't keep depending on these corporate farms.

2:42:38Etienne FontanOh, I agree. But I mean, if we look at just basic science, you know, we... 50 years ago, we used to grow at least 10% of what we use in a daily basis. How many here are growing anything that they use in a daily basis besides their flower or flower ingestion or hash ingestion or even that?

2:42:57SpeakerI often do, and I would say that, yeah, maybe you're right for most people.

2:43:13SpeakerYeah, I have a garden every summer, but I can't say that that's any significant portion of what I eat. Most of my good stuff I get from the farmer's market because even though I like gardening, I found out that the local farmer market has better stuff than what I can grow, so. Yeah, that's the reality that I came to. I support my local Amish farmer because he relies on my income or on my business for his income.

2:43:46SpeakerAnd I need him to be going because I get really good deals on organic, freshly grown Amish produce for about eight months out of the year. And it's wonderful to support your local farmers.

2:43:59Etienne FontanYeah, I do the same thing here in California. We have different farmers markets and we're pretty blessed to have them pretty much every day depending on where you are or go around. So you can find, you know, anything you pretty much want or need. We're pretty fortunate that way. But that's, we're fortunate to, again, so go out and support your local organic farms if you're able to people or local farming because they rely, as he states, on you.

2:44:26Etienne FontanThey rely on us. So if you're not there to buy it, It spoils or goes somewhere else. I also read a study that the US throws away about 50% of its produce in the end. And that's minimum, which means probably even more than that if we consider it. So yeah, keep it local if you can and support your local people. And another cool trick is if you're having allergies or if you're having...

2:44:51Etienne FontanRunny Nose and stuff like that. Go find your local farmers market and go buy some honey, local bee honey. And it helps build up your immune system to your local flora and fauna.

2:45:04SpeakerSo good on the throat too. Yeah, you know the food that they throw away in vast quantities is usually corporate farm food. You don't see the local farmers markets passing the food away very often. I always stop at the roadside ones around here. Thank you for watching.

2:45:39SpeakerThank you for watching.

2:46:03SpeakerAnd also aesthetically pleasing, a lot of fruit and vegetables that are wasted are just wasted because it's a bifurcated carrot, so it doesn't look pretty in the bag. So a lot of food is just not used just because it doesn't look normal, I guess. Yeah, we're going down a crazy road. When I was a kid, you ate everything that mom and dad brought home, you know? The only way I could get out of eating a meal is when my mom would cook liver and onions and I'd leave the house the day before and not come back until the day after.

2:46:35SpeakerYeah, I can understand that for sure. Burnt liver turps. Oh, boy. The scatter means are the only worse thing than smelling liver.

2:46:51SpeakerYeah, those are putrid smelling compounds, right? Putrescine and other ones like that? Yeah, the ones that are in poop that give it its, you know, its trademark smell.

2:47:05BubblemanIts air.

2:47:09SpeakerNasty, we can all agree, nasty. I remember there was, the guy in France was experimenting with some of those very powerful odors, trying to process them in such a way so that they could attach, you Some of the stuff from like roses are another smell to them because they were so, they put out so much free radicals. I mean, you could smell, you know, a pile of crap from a block away, right?

2:47:37SpeakerYou can't necessarily smell a rose from that far. So he was busy trying to combine that and I don't know what he ever... John, did you ever hear of the product called Poo-Pourri? Poop, yeah, poop, poopery is a, is a, is a spray of essential oils that you spray on the, in, on a toilet water bowl before you go. And then when you go, I guess it falls through the film of, of essential oils that smell like linalool and roses and flowers and everything and it keeps the poop smell kind of contained in the water.

2:48:17SpeakerSupposedly it works. Poopery, check it out.

2:48:20Etienne FontanI use it. I've been using it for over a year and I can say without a fact it works. I travel with it. It's a great thing to keep your shit tight.

2:48:29SpeakerYeah, like if you have to go poo in like your girlfriend's, you know, small little apartment and you don't want to blow it out, yeah, you whip out your poo-pourri, you spray the bowl. I mean, if you think about it, it's an ingenious product. Anything that you flush down the toilet that you have to buy is an ingenious product like that.

2:48:46Etienne FontanAnd it's just natural oils that suspend on the top that, you know, like it says, cause the film so that It's a film barrier for the scent.

2:48:54SpeakerThe video on YouTube is absolutely fucking hilarious. It's like a five minute video and they show this very prim and proper young little beautiful woman talking about birthing bohemian size logs from her cavernous bowels.

2:49:17Etienne FontanIt's fucking... I have not seen this. Oh my God. I guess I...

2:49:20SpeakerOkay, I'll find it and post it on the Hash Church because it's too funny to not watch.

2:49:26Etienne FontanShit just got real.

2:49:28BubblemanAlways back to Ash Church, hey? At least we didn't go back to beavers. Oh, we're not done yet.

2:49:37SpeakerYeah, we still haven't finished talking about putting beavers in small cages so you can control them.

2:49:44Etienne FontanOr especially Belarusian Beavers. Yeah. It's possible either way.

2:49:52BubblemanWell, we've rocked almost three hours on this Sunday afternoon. What, were we high? I think we must have been. We've had some hilarious conversations, that's for sure.

2:50:06Etienne FontanI guess our guests didn't come through in the end.

2:50:10BubblemanWell, I don't know if he did. I think if he did come in the next 10 minutes, I'd gladly give him an hour. But if he doesn't come in the next 10 minutes, I might have to make it for another week. We will see what happens.

2:50:27Etienne FontanTired. What's going on this week in the week of Johnny B?

2:50:32BubblemanJohnny B. Johnny B. What is going on, Johnny B.?

2:50:39SpeakerRelax.

2:50:39BubblemanFood.

2:50:40SpeakerFood. Hanging out with Darren. We're going to eat something fucking meaty. Halloween tomorrow, so of course we've got to do that. And, you know, Christmas is coming. There's all kinds of great things happening. There's no events going on right now, but I'm really coming upon in Canada that everybody's kind of taking a break for Christmas by the looks of it, which is nice. Maybe, maybe not. I hope, I hope, you know, it's just like, it's good getting out there and talking and talking to people and seeing exactly what's happening here in Canada.

2:51:15SpeakerIt's just amazing to see, well, you were at Karma Cup, Mark. Like I said, I missed house trips that day because I got caught up in going there and you weren't there and then I just got caught up in the people and all the people that were just great to be there. It was a really cool event. It was nice to be a part of, for sure.

2:51:31BubblemanAre you good?

2:51:34SpeakerI'm good.

2:51:38BubblemanWell, I was only going to add that in December, I think I have now decided I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to go to the Cup in Jamaica, the Roots Rastafari Festival in Negril on December 9th till 11th, maybe? Does that sound about right?

2:51:59Etienne FontanI was hoping you were going to say you were coming to the Emerald Cup, same weekend.

2:52:03BubblemanWell, I wish I could, but Jamaica seems more realiztic. I'm going to try and get down there and see what's going on. Check out the event. Like John said, there's nothing else really going on here in December. The next thing I go to will probably not be until March in Spain. Hopefully, we'll see a bunch of you guys out in Spain for Spanibus. That's always a good time.

2:52:27BubblemanI'm going to try and make it for Spanibus for sure. Yeah, that's where we first met, isn't it? Yes, it is. See?

2:52:35SpeakerDon't forget to put me down for Jamaica.

2:52:38BubblemanDude, you want to come to Jamaica?

2:52:39SpeakerYeah, I'm 99% sure.

2:52:43BubblemanAll right, sweet. Well, let me figure it out, and we'll let you know.

2:52:48SpeakerJamaica just got busy.

2:52:51BubblemanJamaica could get busy. I think I looked at the website. These guys seem to have it fairly well organized.

2:52:57Etienne FontanSo what's the status there of the laws there in Jamaica? Has there been any change or is it still status quo?

2:53:04BubblemanWell, right away they sort of decriminalized the two ounces, which is like the police aren't harassing people for that. That was a pretty big deal in the sense that the smell was really what gave them the right to look in the first place. And once you've given people the right to have that smell, you can't really use that same smell as the right to look for amounts.

2:53:26BubblemanSo a lot of people are safely traveling with larger amounts than two ounces. Thanks to, it's a perfect example of when a law can be passed, which was by no means the greatest version of the law. It's only allowing two ounces, which isn't a lot for Jamaican smokers.

2:53:45SpeakerWait a minute, Mark. Unless I'm mistaken, in Jamaica, they can take that two ounces from you and give you an infraction ticket.

2:53:56BubblemanYeah, I've never, no, not for under two ounces. Two ounces.

2:54:00SpeakerAre you sure?

2:54:02BubblemanYeah, I'm pretty sure that's what the whole purpose of the law was.

2:54:04SpeakerI read the law and it said that they can seize the cannabis and give you a ticket for 100 Jamaican dollars, which if you don't fine, goes on your permanent, if you don't pay it, goes on your permanent record. If you pay it, there's no permanent record. How much is 100 Jamaican dollars? About a dollar or two. So you just give the money directly to the cop and go away with your two ounces.

2:54:29SpeakerI mean...

2:54:30BubblemanYeah, they're not, I haven't heard anyone get busted with two ounces of bud since that law has passed at all.

2:54:36SpeakerBesides that, two ounces in Jamaica is what, four joints?

2:54:40BubblemanA couple joints if you're smoking heavy.

2:54:43SpeakerYeah.

2:54:47BubblemanMaybe four or five if you're light.

2:54:51SpeakerI can't imagine a cop in Jamaica not taking the $100 and sticking it in his pocket. The $100 Jamaican dollars.

2:54:59Bubbleman$100 Jamaican dollars is nothing to a Jamaican cop. Like even at a roadblock, they'd want to squeeze you for at least $1,000 Jamaican dollars, maybe two. That'll buy them like a breakfast. So what's that, $20? Something like that. Okay. Well, gee. My friend got pulled over right after the law got passed. We had Mad Herb in the car and Hash. He had a joint behind his ear and he didn't have his license.

2:55:27BubblemanWe go through this roadblock. I'm like, oh, what's going on? He's like, oh, no, no, it's all good. It's all good. So he gets out. We've been puffing nonstop.

2:56:02BubblemanBut yeah, Jamaica's reasonable. They're reasonable.

2:56:08SpeakerYeah, I know in India you can actually run over somebody with your car for 5,000 rupees and drive away.

2:56:14BubblemanLike, is that an accident payment or do you prepay that?

2:56:18SpeakerNo, you don't prepay it. You pay it per incident.

2:56:21BubblemanOkay, so it's an accident thing. So they probably charge more if you wanted to prepay.

2:56:26SpeakerOh, and they charge more for us if you hit a cow. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Movicide is a serious crime in India. You know, they don't kill cows. I mean, they do kill cows in India, but they do it at night so that you can't hear it or see it. And it's the Muslims that do it. The Hindus don't.

2:56:51Etienne FontanSo what happens if somebody kills a cow? What happens to the cow? I'm not caring what happens to the cow. Do they actually eat the cow or do they burn it or what?

2:57:01SpeakerWell, it depends. They do this very strange thing. If you hit a cow and you kill it, first you've got to pay for the cow. And but then you can take the cow with you. It's your cow. And I had a friend who was driving and he was from Switzerland. He hit a cow and he hit it. I mean, the cow fucked him up and he had to spend some time recovering.

2:57:32SpeakerIt was out in the middle of nowhere when it happened. And he showed up at another friend of mine's place. With this car totally wrecked, my friend's like, well, what happened to the car? And he said, well, I hit a cow. And my other friend's a native guy, and he says, well, where's the cow? Because he just expected him to have it with him because, you know, different world.

2:57:54SpeakerYou hit a cow here, and you're, you know, you got a whole new set of problems. Holy cow.

2:58:03SpeakerIn California, they're kind of protected. If you hit a cow at one of the crossings or something like that, you know, you end up paying for the cow, the damage, you know, everything. They're pro-cow here. What's the beef? Yeah, well, you know, usually when a car hits a cow, it breaks one of their legs, and so that's what ends up being the beef. But it can cost you $2,500.

2:58:30BubblemanThat's an expensive hamburger.

2:58:33SpeakerYeah, no shit.

2:58:35Etienne FontanOr the stakes are high.

2:58:39SpeakerWe digress. Yes, we do. You get to make a leather coat out of the pelt?

2:58:46BubblemanSomething along those lines. Well, I'm feeling this Jamaica one anyway. If any of you guys want to come, hit me up in private or hit me up through my social medias. I can send out the links. I'm going to maybe head down there and... Have a week in the sun in Jamaica. December, not a bad time to be in Jamaica. Go swimming in the sea.

2:59:07SpeakerWhen are you going to make it down to the States, buddy?

2:59:11BubblemanI don't know. I've got my friend Robert Laurie who's going to help me with my waiver. He's a lawyer and he's good at these sorts of things. So I'm going to have him look into the waiver and figure out the best way for me to get down there. And then I'll be coming down there. And that'll be that. Be nice. I see Remo doing it all the time and he gets down constantly.

2:59:33BubblemanWent to Michigan recently when we were in Toronto and he goes down to California and Oregon and he's hitting all the spots. So I need to make it happen sooner than later. That's for sure. What do you guys think there, Sam and Chimera? Do you think we should do this another week with Mowgli?

2:59:51SpeakerAbsolutely, we'll try again, and we'll try to get him to make a stronger commitment than this time. He was at a biotechnology conference in Colorado, and I'm sure he's just gotten tied up with people, you know?

3:00:07BubblemanAbsolutely, yeah, no worries whatsoever. It absolutely happens.

3:00:10SpeakerHe was at a conference, and he thought he would have time after the conference, but yeah, maybe not.

3:00:17BubblemanWell, we'll make sure we invite him in another week, and... In the meantime, thank you everyone for coming out for episode 110 of Hash Church, D420K, and Etienne, Hemp Guy, which is Skunk Man Sam, and Chimera today. Thanks Rob Clark for making an appearance, and Indra, Johnny B in the house, Mark Scaldone, Todd McCormick, who came and left. And anyone else that I'm forgetting about? All of you watching Archive.

3:00:47BubblemanArchive was in the house. We've got to thank Archive. Thanks everyone for watching Hash Church. We will see you next week for episode 111. That is a palindrome episode. If you don't know what it means, look it up. Peace out, everybody.