Clubhouse and Cannabis Conversations

0:00SpeakerWe'll record onto this computer because it's always it's always nice to do the podcast afterwards. So that just waiting for YouTube to open up. We'll do our little welcome and then I'll have to share the link in the YouTube. The new YouTube link will get shared to the old YouTube link because this is how this is how this is working now. So let's just do that real quick.

0:24SpeakerWelcome, everyone. Hash Church 3.0 Episode 16. Just adding the link to the YouTube link so you guys can all pop over to the proper chat. And I will also quickly head over to the Discord hash church links that I have up as well. And we will add it up into there as well if anyone wants to watch YouTube over there. Okay. There we are. Welcome, gentlemen. Welcome, Wade Laster.

0:56SpeakerWelcome, Etienne Fontaine. How are you guys doing this morning?

1:00Wade LasterGroovy and good. Not the same. Groovy and good.

1:04SpeakerExcellent. Excellent. Well, we got a small group in here today, but I'm sure eventually we'll end up with a few more peeps. I never know if the email send properly or if the, you know, sometimes I think I've sent out invitations to people and they haven't actually been sent out. So I'll just in case go back to my microscope, micro, sorry, not micro, Outlook. Yeah, well, I guess it's Microsoft Outlook.

1:29SpeakerAnd make sure that I resend that email so that everyone is indeed going to be here.

1:36Etienne FontanSo pretty excited for a couple of reasons today. One, we're supposed to get our Emerald Cup samples today. So I'm judging cartridges. So I'm really excited to see everything and what's there this year. And the other reason I'm excited is my Aaron Wiggins, A.D.: My business, as well as cannabis, was deemed not only essential, it was put to the top of the list for COVID-19. And so I just called Kaiser, and Friday I was able to go down and get my first vaccine shot from Pfizer for COVID-19.

2:17Etienne FontanAaron Ward, I was pretty stoked and excited and more than excited for my people and anyone in the cannabis industry, especially dispensaries, frontline workers can actually go get your vaccines now. So you can actually call and make it happen. So call your provider. Mine was Kaiser. You can call Blue Cross, whoever and You don't have to show your ID card. You don't have to pay for anything.

2:42Etienne FontanAll you do is show up, fill out your card, fill out the form, and they get you in, set up your appointment for three weeks from now, give you your shot. You sit for 15 minutes, see if you have any side effects, and then they send you on your way. So I'm pretty excited. I got my first vaccination shot and my people can get more protection. And yeah, that we get the actual Emerald Cup samples today was...

3:08Etienne FontanWe'll be exciting to say the least. I'm not excited about Super Bowl Sunday, but I am about judging my cannabis Sunday. So that's more exciting for me, needless to say. How about you, Wade?

3:25Etienne FontanSay again, Marcus.

3:26SpeakerI was just wondering, today is the Super Bowl?

3:30Etienne FontanYeah, rumor control that, yeah, that today is, or as I call it, a good commercial day. So there's apparently a game in between all the commercials.

3:40SpeakerWhy don't we all pack Super Bowls?

3:43Collin PalmerWell, there you go. I like that. It's a great idea, Marcus.

3:48SpeakerI'm not sure why the new chat is not working. I haven't seen a single... Oh, apparently I have to comment first. Comments first. There we go. Isn't that funny? If I don't comment first, the chat doesn't open up for the rest.

4:04Johnny BReally?

4:06SpeakerThat's so funny. Well, it's working out.

4:08Wade LasterI have a question for you. Is that a... Is that a statewide mandate for cannabis workers or is that something that's happening just in the county?

4:17Etienne FontanYes. One of my Veterans Action Council, Brian Buckley with the Helmand Valley Growers Association, he told me last week that he showed up to do that. And you get a shot. And when he did, they were like, you're too young. And he said, well, I'm an essential worker in the cannabis industry. And they checked with their supervisor and they said yes. And so they actually put out a breakdown.

4:42Etienne FontanSo I then got that breakdown, sent it to my governor of affairs person, Sabrina Fendrick, who is on the board of the UCBA, the United Cannabis Business Association. They then contacted the state and then the state gave authorization as of Friday morning. So there is an actual full on mandate I actually published on my Facebook. I published it in the California City and County Watch as well and the East Bay.

5:15Etienne FontanThere's a full breakdown. We're considered 1A, 1B. And all you have to do is make your phone call. And they ask if you're emergency. You are. You say yes. And then they make your appointment and you can go down and get your first of your two shots.

5:32Wade LasterThank you. Excellent news.

5:36SpeakerWell, I'm glad you're all shot up and you look healthy. You don't look sick. So no adverse reactions for you.

5:42Etienne FontanNo extra arms, no extra appendages, no weird feelings, nothing. The shot was, you know, she did the old one, two, three, you know, right into the arm. It was quick and painless. You know, it was just a little sore, like right around, you know, where you usually get a shot. But I sat down for the 15 minutes, had no adverse reactions, and I was allowed to go home and I came home and ate because I was so nervous.

6:07Etienne FontanI didn't eat much beforehand. And then when I got home, I was just ravenous. So, yeah, it was, yeah, just a good feeling. And then the night's sleep was fine. Woke up yesterday, no soreness in the arm. And yeah, as stated, I'm just excited to get my people protected and that we're deemed essential. And if we're deemed essential this high up in the state, we need to definitely capitalize this on the national and the state level for sure, because, you know, We've never been this high or considered in society before.

6:45Etienne FontanSo this gives us a platform to stand upon and kind of a unique position we've never had before. So we have to figure out how to properly capitalize on that. We had, of course, Schumer come out this week and say, Here in the United States, they want to pass some sort of cannabis decriminalization reform this year, which is rather surprising because a lot of the brain think we're thinking closer to two years from now And to think that they actually want to get something through is one concerning because they rushed through the Moore Act and then they added all kinds of things, including removing of social equity, which is a huge problem because felons, veterans, and people of color across the board that have been hurt by this drug war, especially those that have been arrested, should have access to this industry because they're also some of the most experienced.

7:43Etienne FontanYou know, people in this industry, if they know the risks, took the risks, and you know, everybody who takes the risks, it's possible to threaten 100% of the time, there's going to be things that happen. So, you know, they shouldn't be penalized or hurt from that. In Canada, do you have any such disbarment for felons into the industry?

8:07Etienne FontanJohnny Marcus?

8:10Johnny BSorry, I'm like super stoned right now. I was like.

8:15Etienne FontanDoes your country bar people who have previous felonies in cannabis from being in the industry?

8:21Johnny BThat's why I'm not in the industry.

8:23SpeakerOh, really? Because I am in the industry and I have previous felonies. So I have a very different answer from John. People with felonies can get into the industry if you try. So.

8:36Johnny BDepending on charges and your felony charges. So if you really want to get into it, depending on where you lie, where you are in an industry and what you've done. So if you have an extensive record. Exactly.

8:46SpeakerIf you have felony cannabis charges, if you have felony cannabis charges, you're okay. If you've robbed a bank, you are not so okay. Johnny's got the bank charges. I don't.

9:01Johnny BThank you for the clarification. Clarification. I have a charge and a slight of a stupid little thing that is now dealt with. Actually, it was I'm not going to get into it here on House Chair. So it's funny.

9:20SpeakerIt's definitely not what you think. It's totally Johnny Burfellow and it's totally innocent.

9:25Etienne FontanBut yes, he did end up seemingly with a fairly serious thing on his jacket. Don't do that in the future. Just all I'm saying.

9:38SpeakerYeah. Johnny's packing up a Super Bowl. I think the rest of us probably also.

9:45Johnny BIt's Super Bowl Sunday with Johnny B. I am definitely loading up. It's... One of those days where actually I was just talking with some other people this morning and they actually have it all set up like it is like a Super Bowl Sunday. They're partying, doing the same thing, they're treating it like a Super Bowl Sunday. But it's just the family. It's everybody in the living room and everybody's setting up all their treats and stuff like that.

10:08Johnny BSo, you know, a lot of people are just having a great day today and just living it up. And, you know, at Gen, we've got, everybody's got, I'm doing the first bounce, you know, the goodness.

10:21Etienne FontanRob Frasca, Yeah, got to show off what you got. I'm doing some Oakland extracts, garlotto, some mango candy. How about Clubhouse? Wow, that place is so addicting. It's ridiculous. It's fun. I enjoy it. I've been listening and learning more than anything. It's fun to get pulled up to speak on things. But yeah, I've been listening to all of us a week on Clubhouse. Colin dropping knowledge. Marcus, definitely.

10:48Etienne FontanDoctor over here. Dr. Mark dropping all kinds of fucking knowledge. Telling people, shut up. I'm not done talking yet.

10:55SpeakerYeah.

10:59Johnny BAnd Colin, dude. What's up? Mad respect. You're just like so dropping the knowledge and everything that you've done and what you're doing and everything.

11:10Collin PalmerThank you. You know, it's funny. I take Marcus as a friend very seriously. And I love you, Marcus, very much. And I think there's a lot of things that are being said on that platform that we... We shouldn't regulate, but there needs to be truth to a lot of this stuff. And I think it's important that we share the truth that we've been taught and just continue to be truthful to the individuals and the other people that are interested in this plant and also learn from the other individuals that are on the platform that we've never interacted with before.

11:48Collin PalmerThere's a lot of people that I probably would never speak to in any other Aaron Ward- instance, and it brings us all together so it's really special in that respect. Aaron Ward- And Johnny thanks thanks for saying those kind words that you know i'm just trying to. Aaron Ward- Just trying to do my part, you know.

12:06SpeakerJon Miller- teach what I was taught I really enjoyed it, I found that it wasn't until. A particular person ended up on there and just, I could, I suddenly started looking at Clubhouse like, oh, I want to go in that room, but that person's in there right now. I would be in the room and that person would come in and I'd be like, oh, I gotta, just like the absolute bullshit that was coming out of this guy's mouth and the, just the plate, just the slander, just the full-blown slander.

12:34SpeakerI personally chose to avoid it. Colin chose to take it on head on. And literally, you know, go to war with this guy and crush them, really. I wasn't in the room at the time because I didn't want to be. And I won't even mention his name because he doesn't even deserve the exposure here on House Church. But what I would express to people that are using Clubhouse and enjoying it, you know, as far as I know, I don't think there's a block feature.

13:02SpeakerSo when you go into a room, is there?

13:04Etienne FontanThere is a block feature. Yeah, I have blocked.

13:06SpeakerAnd if you go into a room with a blocked person, does that mean you can't hear them?

13:11Etienne FontanI have not gone into a blocked room to listen to that person. So I have yet to actually do that. But I get pinged all the time for this person who I consider one of the most unethical people in our industry. And for some reason, people ping me and I had to write them on the side and say, look, don't call me into a room with this person because here's why, you know, because I will not be kind.

13:39Etienne FontanAnd we have to be in there. We have to be talking to people because these people are dropping all kinds of misinformation, lies, half truths. And, you know, they're trying to name dropping so bad that it's just absolutely obnoxious. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

14:13Etienne FontanBrandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler

14:31Etienne FontanOh, and let our Discord people know if you have access to Discord, hash to hash church people, if you have extra invites for your clubhouse, there's people in that Discord looking for invites so that they can come and listen to you all during the week.

14:47SpeakerSo people are looking for invites still to access clubhouse because it's still- I've got five or six and I've offered for anyone to send me an email, bcbubbleman at iCloud. If you give me your full name and your phone number, I'll add you to my contacts, which is how you send an invite out for Clubhouse. And yeah, the only thing I would ask is that the two invites that you get that you use for other people from the hash church group.

15:14SpeakerSo I'll forward you a couple of people's numbers. If people aren't comfortable sharing their names and numbers, that's fine too. Dirty thinks it's a dirty, what's his name? 42.star north thinks that it's all the CIA, but I mean, at that point, isn't YouTube all the CIA? Isn't Samsung your smartphone? Isn't everyone the CIA? Like, aren't you just completely being listened to at all times through your plants and birds aren't real and the earth is flat and COVID-19 is fake and I can't even keep up with all of it, really, but...

15:42Etienne FontanYour phone tracks you absolutely everywhere and anywhere you go and what, you know, so... For me, it's a great tool. It's just like anything else. It can be abused, but it can be used. And if anything, what has it done? Oh, we've all been together multiple times this week on a social media platform talking and discussing and, you know, listening and learning. Oh, that's so terrible. How cruel and evil.

16:07Etienne FontanYou, you, information sharers, you, how dare you, doctors.

16:12Collin PalmerAnd Dr. Mark, man, dropping the knowledge on the chemistry side, just so awesome. I really appreciate it.

16:20Etienne FontanI mean, from zero to absolute confused in just a snap of a finger.

16:24Collin PalmerI love it. It's good. It's just so, such a good, I don't know. I like the conversation, Mark.

16:30SpeakerWe've done like 15 hours this week on Clubhouse. We were doing like four hour after work. I would started at three and ended around seven or eight o'clock. And we did that at least three times last week.

16:43Johnny BI did 15 hours a day, I think, for a few days in a row. I was from one room to another, jumping on people who were just talking about the randomest things in the world. Not even some of them are cannabis related. I'm just like, hey, let's check out this room. It's pretty cool. It really is. If you just want to soak in some knowledge, it's awesome.

17:04Etienne FontanYeah, I've been in like six or seven rooms with you alone, Johnny B. Oh, yeah, I'm calling.

17:10Johnny BI see all of you guys in all these rooms. And I'm like, OK, it's like going to a trade show right now. And it's like going to like I used to go to all these shows. They have all these different rooms and you just walk by. Hey, dude. Thank you so much for joining us.

17:46SpeakerI had a great conversation with some Jamaicans the other day on Bob Marley's Earth Strong, February 6th. That was yesterday. I invited Wade in. I thought it was a trip. These guys were getting into it like clubhouse style instead of blowing smoke up the Marley Foundation. But they were celebrating Bob. But at the same time, they were like, you know, Bob did this and Bob did that.

18:08SpeakerAnd he didn't do this. And he kind of fucked this guy over. And, you know, the Marley Foundation wanted to create this image of a god like Bob Marley. But in truth, he was really quite a real person who had, you know, his own disagreements and his own arguments and prior to becoming Rastafarian was for sure, you know, a gunman, like a pretty serious guy in Jamaica.

18:28SpeakerAnd it was just neat to hear these guys talking about everything in the realest of realest of ways and talking about the guys, you know, who brought Bob Marley and Peter Tosh and Bunny Whaler to see Joe Higgs and how They kind of screwed Joe over and ended up going over to Caxton. Caxton was this full-blown like control mafia, the radio, any singer. It was neat conversation.

18:51SpeakerIt was not soft. It had a sharp edge to it as Jamaican conversation often does. And I just really enjoyed it. They were also this guy by the name of, oh, it was Johnny Pepperseed. And he was a white guy, but he definitely had the voice of living in the Caribbean. I believe he's like, you know, a well-known kind of radio DJ guy. And he was playing all original songs from the Whalers from way back in the day.

19:20SpeakerAnd I just thought, you know, if you want to go on Clubhouse and stick with cannabis conversations, you certainly can. But if you want to break out of that, there's literally conversations about everything you can possibly imagine. I ended up meeting, I got to look up his name real quick. Because I caught this cat in there, I guess three days ago. Corvain was his name. He just got out.

19:45SpeakerHe just got like, he just got released from Trump. Like he was serving a life sentence for cannabis. And he just got released. His name is Corvain Cooper. And I invited him on to Hash Church. I sent a link out. Well, I didn't send the link out. I sent an email out to his guy. I thought it would be a good idea to offer Corvain Cooper, especially if he had to go fund me to promote him through Hash Church to raise some money for him to create a little nest egg for him to for reentry because I'm not exactly sure of the entire story.

20:19SpeakerAnd I don't want to share it here anyway. I want him to share it when he finally comes on. But that was one of the things that Clubhouse sort of exposed me to. I also met a woman by the name of Carrie, who has a really powerful story about, you know, birthing a child while using cannabis as a medicine. And I think we're going to end up seeing, you know, probably in the next two to three weeks, some fairly cool folks that are going to kind of come over from Clubhouse.

20:45SpeakerSo I'm really hoping for, you know, more diversity in just getting some more females up here, getting some more black and brown people up here, getting some more Latinos up here, just getting some more diversity, which I have to admit, there's a ton of it on Clubhouse.

21:03SpeakerHey, welcome, Ames Institute. Good morning. Dr. Allison in the house?

21:11Etienne FontanTalk about somebody we've seen on Clubhouse all week.

21:14Dr AllisonHey, I've seen all of your faces on Clubhouse too. I'm in good company. I know, but your face is moving now.

21:24SpeakerWell, so is yours. I know, but we don't get that on Clubhouse. We just get this. Yeah.

21:32Dr Mark ScialdoneIt's the psychedelics. Blame the psychedelics.

21:36Dr AllisonHey, I want to let you guys know that I got Dr. Sagerwald to do a room on Monday morning, Monday at 2 Pacific Standard to discuss cannabis and psychedelic medicine.

21:53Dr AllisonATN, that would be a great time for you to ask about your hyperemesis.

21:58Etienne FontanThat would be, you know, because that's something for, you know, people have been contacting me about just out of curiosity because of my friend's daughter who has been dealing with it. You know, it's still fascinating and there needs to be definitely more science and understanding for sure.

22:17Dr AllisonYeah. Yeah. So if you're around at two on Monday, um, come check it out. We're doing it under the cannabis and science group, just because I wanted to be able to make sure that I got a wide audience. Um, we're hoping at some point to have our own like aims Institute club where, um, all of the different clinicians at the office, um, have a chance to do like a room once a week.

22:44Etienne FontanI won't be able to make it, doctor, because I have my Veterans Action Council we have. Our working group is on Mondays at 2, so I'm sorry.

22:52Dr AllisonWe will miss you.

22:54Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd I will definitely be there.

22:58Dr AllisonYou know, our plan is to do it for an hour, but if it goes longer, then it goes longer.

23:06SpeakerHey, Allison, do you know if you can invite people on iPads with an email to Clubhouse? You can.

23:12Dr AllisonI haven't figured out how to do it, but I did.

23:16Etienne FontanI just uploaded it on to when you download it on your iPhone or whatever, it automatically downloads it onto your iPad. Then all you have to do is go put in your phone number and it pops up. And I actually did it on my iPad. So if you don't have an iPhone, you can do it on iPad.

23:33SpeakerEven if you don't have an iPhone number, an iOS number, like you can use a Samsung number.

23:40Etienne FontanUnsure. It just asks for your phone number that you registered with on the clubhouse.

23:45SpeakerSo it makes me nervous because invites are so rare. I don't get enough of them. It's like and I've already I think I pooched the first three invites I got by a I somehow sent Matt Stang one. I just opened it up and Matt's name was there and I clicked it accidentally. I was like, fuck.

24:01Etienne FontanOh my God.

24:03SpeakerI did the same thing.

24:04Etienne FontanYeah, I've got 11 that haven't been able to be open because people either don't have access or they don't have an iPhone. So if you have an iPad, you can do it that way.

24:14SpeakerDude, I make sure I ask each person.

24:18Dr AllisonI do too. I ask each person. I do, I have like eight or 10. So if you need a couple of them for people who have iPhones or iPads, Marcus, I'm happy to, like I gave one to you.

24:29SpeakerI'm going to hit you up for sure.

24:31Dr AllisonGavin, one of our listeners here on Hash Church hit me up and I hooked him up with an invite.

24:39SpeakerWell, I'm going to give all my invites out to hash church people. And then I'm also asking that they give their invites out to hash church people. So that should make it a solid 20 plus people. And it is a bit of a trust. You got to give your number and your name. And I have to add the person to my contacts. I haven't been able to figure out how to add someone to Clubhouse without having their phone number and their name in my phone.

25:03Dr AllisonThere is no other way. You have to send them a text.

25:07SpeakerExactly. So for those of you that trust me, no problem. If you don't trust having your number and name given to someone who's a part of Hash Church and you don't want that, no problem.

25:17Dr Mark ScialdoneWe can, you know, wait until I get more invites. And if you trust me, I'll give you some.

25:21SpeakerAnd if you trust the people on the panel, I'm sure they'll link you up as well.

25:25Dr AllisonBelieve me, I'm not crank calling anyone. So I don't.

25:29SpeakerI think nowadays you can just block people even on your phone, so it doesn't even matter if someone got your phone number.

25:34Dr AllisonYou know, I just deleted it after I finished it because it's just, there's just, you know, I love you, Gavin, if you're out there, but, you know, I don't really need your phone number. Someone, if, you know, people want to connect back again, they can always DM on Instagram. I kind of like that's how Clubhouse is.

25:56Etienne FontanYeah, it ties directly in your clubhouse, in your bio, it links your Twitter and your Instagram. So if people like are interested, then they can go in and directly follow you on social media and ping you that way, as opposed to there's doesn't seem to be an instant messenger on clubhouse, which is kind of cool because we can't always go behind the scenes and see it's completely rando and live.

26:20Etienne FontanSo, you know, that's kind of the fun of it too. And I, uh, The pain in the ass sometimes when you're dealing with people who aren't very good at communicating their thoughts in a very professional manner. How's that for nice?

26:34Dr AllisonNo, that was really good, Tian. I agree with you. I do sometimes find that like certain people in a room will back message me, especially if some shit's going down. There was some shit going down in a room this week with Brett Vogue. Do you guys know Brett Bogue? You were there, Marcus.

26:57SpeakerI leave quickly once Brett Bogue enters the picture. I've known him for so long and he's just like, and listen, I have a full appreciation for off the wall crazy, but when it just, when it goes beyond the wall, I just, I just, I just remove myself rather than, I don't want to ruin anyone's good time on Clubhouse. And I, I can get into it. Like I could easily get into it with Brett Bogue and that it could be the whole conversation that's focused.

27:27SpeakerAnd I don't want to turn my clubhouse experience into that. So, you know, I just leave.

27:34Dr AllisonI actually have blocked certain people that create a negative experience for me so that when I, then I can see them when I scroll down, if they're in a room and I can choose not to go in that room.

27:46SpeakerYeah. Yeah. That's exactly kind of the way I've been playing it. And I really only have the one person who I feel that way. Otherwise, the, you know, Clubhouse has been amazing. I also find I should thank him in a sense because he's literally in every cannabis room every minute of every day. Like he's not doing anything else. I'm not sure where he's raising these hundreds of millions of dollars that he's talking about, but he's definitely sitting on his ass on Clubhouse a lot.

28:11SpeakerAnd so when I see him in the room, I choose to go somewhere else. And often he's in the main cannabis room. So I end up finding these really random small rooms with magical people. And in that sense, I should probably thank him for that.

28:27Etienne FontanSome people are just positive examples of how you shouldn't be.

28:32Johnny BYeah, I woke up this morning at 6 a.m. I couldn't believe it. I looked at my phone. I was like, really?

28:37Dr Mark ScialdoneWhere not to go, right? It's almost important where to go. You know, I have to bring this up, Marcus, because this was your room and you had left the room at this time, right? So it was like me and Colin and I don't know if Johnny B was still in the room at that point. I don't know if you were in there either, Allison, but boy, that woman got really nasty with Colin.

29:07Dr Mark ScialdoneFor really no reason at all. And like was saying negative things that, you know, I think from what I understand from follow up with Colin, we're just completely off base.

29:19Dr AllisonAnd so did you move her back down to the audience?

29:22Collin PalmerSo I tried to give her a chance to like, you know, like I'm trying to give everybody a voice. And I knew what she was saying was was she was thinking I was someone else. And she just didn't. Her context was so off. Right. And I just had to let her finish. And then I had to be like, hey, I just want to let you know, I'm not this person.

29:41Collin PalmerYou know that you think and you know and then it like she ended up getting my number from a grower friend of ours that used to work for me and he was she was like I'm so sorry I can't believe I did that and like it's okay you know what I mean it that's just human nature you're gonna get information and wires get crossed and You know, we live in a world of that right now of wires crossing.

30:03Collin PalmerSo I try to be accepting of that and know that I'm not going to go below that because it's just not necessary. And I think to Mark's point, it was really out of hand. And I think someone did end up Thank you so much for joining us today.

30:44Dr Mark ScialdoneBut Marcus bestowed a moderator on me and I just click on it and is like, you know, remove her from room. Yes, this is unproductive. This isn't what this is supposed to do. I usually do wrong. So what I've done is I don't know if you recall the conversation leading up to that, Colin. She was like, oh, why do I need an HPLC? It's like, right. Why do I need an HPLC?

31:12Dr Mark ScialdoneAre you kidding me? You know what's really funny, Colin? The next night, she came into our room and I was talking about what? HPLC, right? And I was talking, right, about my little extraction method to try to break the emulsion. And you're like, hey, Mark, what'd you do today at the lab? Okay, there's what I did at the lab today. And she was in there listening. But yeah, that's just completely uncalled for.

31:37Dr Mark ScialdoneI mean, she... So she thought you were somebody else, but even if you were that individual, this isn't the venue to tear somebody down. You don't do that.

31:47Collin PalmerRight. And she, look, she apologized. She wrote me messages and she even went into another room and apologized in front of Swerve and everyone. But again, it's, I think you're right. And it was an honest mistake and If it was really true, then fine, but it wasn't, and we move on, and we're just going to move on. She's not a bad woman, that's the thing. I think she's very passionate, and I could feel that, and misinformation along with passion turns into confrontation, right?

32:18Collin PalmerI mean, it just...

32:20Dr AllisonI like that she came back around to you, Colin, and apologized. That means volumes.

32:25Collin PalmerYeah, she's nice about it. And, you know, look, she's a great, she's actually a nice woman. So I will say that out loud to everyone. She's really nice. Jenny, if you're listening, big love. Don't worry about it. It's all good. You did the right thing. And I appreciate you and what you do for the community around you. So thank you. And she brought up some great questions about HPLC, I thought.

32:50Collin PalmerI think what we were trying to get after, Mark, in the conversation was, and I want to turn this into a positive here, is when's the right application for HPLC, right? And can you get the same service fast enough from another lab? And how does that move forward in terms of product development and the products that you're making or end or growing? You know, and I thought you had a really good explanation for that.

33:16Collin PalmerYou know, Dr. Mark, you really, you know, broke it down. So.

33:21Dr AllisonSo can I ask a question here? I've always been, I mean, in my, whenever I tested edibles or flour or concentrates, I always turned to an HPLC over gas chromatography. Is there ever a time when, like, you feel that you can get a high standard of measurement from gas chromatography?

33:41Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, yeah, you can get the actually gas chromatography for the cannabinoids is actually more sensitive with a mass spec detector than HPLC can even dream to come. So, I mean, the sensitivity of the detector has a lot to do with how well the method works. But I think the question was, it's like, it was more around, do I need internal testing? Steve Brown, When I'm spending all of this money at the third party lab and third party lab is giving me a really good rate and they're giving me a really good turnaround time.

34:18Dr Mark ScialdoneSo do I need to have that capability in-house? And I guess the question or the discussion that we had with Colin was, well, If you do, if time is money and I can basically run like a distillation and make a distillate or make a product and then an hour later have the information that would take a 48 turnaround time, a 48 hour turnaround time at another lab.

34:45Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, then I'm going to get product out the door quicker because I'm not waiting that 48 hours. And the other thing is that like when you test stuff at third party labs, you have to use third party lab testing. That's just kind of like the validation that your stuff is okay and safe and you're doing testing at a lab that hopefully your results agree with, right? And if your results agree with that, then you're really confident when you send those products out for your third party testing that you're going to hit exactly where you think it's going to be.

35:16Dr Mark ScialdoneIf you don't have that internal testing, It's like flying a plane with no instruments. The runway is there. Maybe you're going to hit it. Maybe you're not. I don't know. And to me, time is money. If we think that there's 62 milligrams per gram of total cannabinoids in that product, John Seigenthaler, Thinking is not good enough. We need to actually measure it and show that it's good enough.

35:39Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd then I don't mind spending that money at the third party lab because I've already tested it internally. So that was the nature of the discussion. And she, I think she said that she came from UCAN because she talked about working with Tony at UCAN. And I'm not sure exactly what facility she's at, but I think that, again, a lot of facilities debate this issue. Do I need internal analytics or don't I?

36:04Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd she was just in the camp where I don't because I have a really good relationship with my third party lab. And that's totally, I guess, a valid thing to be. I was in the other camp, but that's just for the... You were in the other camp, the non-bankrupt camp.

36:19SpeakerIs that the camp you were in, Mark?

36:21Dr Mark ScialdoneNo. You can't bankrupt? I just want to make a point that that's not what got her booted from the room, which the discussion back and forth with the HPLC, that's where it started. What got her booted from the room was the fact that she was really nasty to our friend, and our and the expert colin and that's just not going to be you know i think that's part of the hash church brotherhood we sort of have to look out for each other marcus you know i i could even tell you that i've had people say negative things about you to me and i'm like No, sorry, that doesn't compute with me.

36:53Dr Mark ScialdoneMarcus, I know more. I, even though we've never met, you know, because we've been connected on Hash Church all this time, I feel like I know you. I feel like I know ATN. ATN and I have actually met. We've had the luxury of actually being at a cannabis cup together. But, you know, I think that we have to kind of look out for each other. And so I think that a transition over to Clubhouse, I think there has to be some kind of rules where, again, there's a lot of negativity and a lot of nastiness for no reason whatsoever other than people have to feel like they have to take somebody down.

37:31Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd to me, I'm just not going to tolerate that. And thank you for making me a moderator there that I could do something about it because our friend was unfairly attacked in an unfair way for no reason whatsoever. And that just goes to show that, you know, the kind of people that we are, we look out for each other.

37:50Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI think we should have a bell on Clubhouse where we ding a bell when someone's going off and then it's just like bong hit time. You know, just a little readjust, just a little readjust. That's all. We might be able to come at this from another angle.

38:05SpeakerIt could even be a D420K bell. It could be like his voice going bong rips, mother lovers.

38:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, I mean, and Colin, you're the bestest guy in the world. Who can get mad at you? I mean, they have to have a really bad day to get mad at you, Colin.

38:20Collin PalmerIt was just, it was false. And I don't want to get into it anymore, but I will say I did the same thing for Marcus. You know, Allison, you brought up Brett and I just couldn't take it. And he was talking about Sam and Robert and all these people that I feel just, you can't, you just gotta, you gotta respect the history and respect the groundwork. And it just didn't make any sense.

38:44Collin PalmerAnd I just stuck to very simple things like, hey, man, if you have proof of this, I'd love to see it. But, you know, I just want to keep this neutral. These guys are mentors and friends and people I look up to. And they want to make sure that what you're saying, because there's a lot of people that don't know the history of this in this room that, you know, I just said it.

39:04Collin PalmerThere's two sides to every story, my man. And please make sure that what you're saying is true. All of that is number one, not coming from a negative place. And number two has truth to it.

39:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, there was one guy who popped in just because he saw the word hash. He had no concept that What we've done here on hash church like he all he knows is like hey man there's a room talking about hash i'm gonna get myself in that room and he got in the room and he talked and he was just so funny because again he had no concept of who marcus was no concept of bubble bags all he knew is that he loves hash and it brought him in the room you know and that's cool you know that's

39:45Dr AllisonWe wanna talk to people who just love hash. And then that's how you educate them about all the other things that like we have experienced in our time within the cannabis community. So it's cool, but you know, I have not run in, there's been very, I can't even count like even on one hand, how many people that have gone awry in a room. I find that most of the moderators seem to handle it really well.

40:16Dr AllisonAnd you know, you can always put someone back down in the audience and then kind of like address the situation All of those are in vivo and really kind of like smooth it out without having to engage in like a negative back and forth interaction.

40:37Collin PalmerTotally. Speaking of that, why don't we ask everybody what they're smoking?

40:42Etienne FontanI'd love to have a little... Yeah, you said bong mother lovers, so let's get a bong going, everybody.

40:49Collin PalmerGet me all enticed here.

40:52Etienne FontanWhat is everybody smoking on? I'm doing some Garlotto from Oakland Extracts right now.

40:57Collin PalmerI have some Strong Nana here that I cold cured that I'm dying to try.

41:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineGot some really good Subsidium Extracts here from Ontario, some cookie dough. And some Cannabinerd. We got some bubble gum. I'm really enjoying this sunny dough light, which is a Dosey Dough by Sour Tangy. And I have to say the Sour Tangy is one of the sweetest clones out there.

41:29Dr Mark ScialdoneLove Sour Tangy. My favorite.

41:31Collin PalmerTangy reminds me of Calio a lot with like a little bit extra gas and a little bit stronger of a...

41:38SpeakerI love a cannabinoid profile, but I... Dude, Tom, Tom Shirley has not, he's smoking nothing right now. So why don't we pour a little out for Tom right now? We're sorry, Tom. That sucks. I wish that you had something. And let's hope that you have something for next past church because my goodness, everyone needs something.

41:58Dr AllisonI'm going to hit on some of this Lemon Peel Dog Walker 90U from Archive.

42:09Collin PalmerThe Dog Walker, so Marcus, the bubble, last time I had Dog Walker was the Bubble Man brand terp sauce that was made. And that Dog Walker has always left a lasting impression on me from that batch that was done.

42:22SpeakerDog Walker does that.

42:23Collin PalmerSuch a unique variety. Does anyone know the lineage behind Dog Walker? I know it's like Walker from Oregon.

42:29Dr AllisonIt's Albert Walker. It's Albert, I think.

42:32Collin PalmerAlbert Walker by Chem 91.

42:33Dr AllisonOh, I thought it was Albert Walker crossed with dog shit.

42:37SpeakerHmm.

42:42Dr Mark ScialdoneI thought it was Chem 91 here.

42:44Collin PalmerIt hits all my notes, you know.

42:47Dr AllisonI know it's Albert Walker. Well, let's figure out whether it's Dog Shit or Chem 91.

42:53SpeakerThat was another one Jeff always had access to. He was always rocking the walker. He was always rocking the hamster. He was always rocking these like unique things from back in the day. Cat piss. We had that up here too.

43:06Collin PalmerYeah, well, it reminds me of Sour Diesel a lot, actually.

43:09Dr AllisonAnd then, you know, if Jeff gets it, then you know that Fletch is going to get it. It's kind of how that works. Or back and forth.

43:17Dr Mark ScialdoneDog Walker by Chem 91. There you go. There you go. Shout out to my bro in Portland, Oregon. I know the guy who made that.

43:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo do we. We've been smoking the Chem Dog since day one. I mean, the dog shit.

43:34Dr Mark ScialdoneDog shit or Dog Walker?

43:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, not Dog Walker, the dog shit. I mean, does anyone smoke the dog shit? I mean, it's a classic Oregon strain for sure.

43:45SpeakerDepends on what kind of dog you have, really.

43:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDefinitely. What about the Trinity strain? Or does anyone remember the Trinity strain from the early 90s? I remember it.

43:57SpeakerI have a daughter named Trinity, so obviously I remember it.

44:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI mean, what we used to get in Eugene was like a big... Crystal leaf wrapped bud. It wasn't like the traditional bud that you'd see before. It was like the leaves were left and they were just, there was so much crystal on it. And then there was a variety called the White Witch, which came into Eugene for a long time. And that was hands down, everyone's like, if when the White Witch came to town, everyone was just like, oh shit, you know, we got to get some of that.

44:33Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, Richard, in the chat, you are correct. That's Rich Cromlin, who bred Dog Walker, which is, yes, the Albert Walker cross with Chem 91. So, yes. I want to throw a topic out.

44:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe chemdog origins are in Oregon, too, as well, with the Oregon, the dragon, or the, what is it, the dog bud. Which came that where they were saying was crossed and to create the Chemdog to begin with.

45:05Dr Mark ScialdoneDog Bud was out of Oregon. I mean, those cats were from Crested Butte, Colorado, but I thought that they had said that that lineage actually came from NorCal. But that, you know, P Bud, well, Dog Bud, which I guess, again, was the precursor in that lineage, I think was out of Crested Butte, I believe.

45:29Collin PalmerI think that's accurate from my knowledge, Dr. Mark. And it's fun that, you know, a lot of those lot seeds, you know, I certainly have a jar that's halfway full of lot seeds that I'm going to start going through this year. So I'm excited to see what that looks like. But there is so much amazing stuff. I mean, Mark, you lived it, so you know. That just, you know, I'm excited to see what, if anything comes of it, but all that stuff is so memorable from all the chems and then of course the sour and it's just a big part of, you know, me as a younger self.

46:09Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, when we were talking in the clubhouse the other day to Rachel, who's from University of Amherst, I don't know if you remember that, Marcus and Colin, remember that woman, Rachel, who was in the room? Yeah. I was almost going to mention to her that, you know, um, So Chem is now working with Canna Provisions. So Canna Provisions is Meg Sanders' business. Meg used to be the owner of Mindful in Denver.

46:33Dr Mark ScialdoneWe were talking with Mohegan Richmond. We were talking about walking out of that weed grow and the Denver police station is right there. That's Mindful, right? And so Meg Sanders, she was on 60 Minutes. I mean, she was definitely one of the women CEOs early on recognized in the Denver cannabis industry. Anyway, she's out in Massachusetts now. Working in a place called Canna Provisions along with her significant other, Eric.

47:03Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd they have hired Chem, you know, Greg.

47:07Collin PalmerGreg, yeah.

47:08Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah. So Greg is working with those guys now. I think it just is a great consultant. So that's a shout out to Chem, man.

47:16Collin PalmerYeah, that's a, I've definitely, I've wholesaled to those guys a bunch. They're, they're a good outfit. I think they're doing a lot of good things in the state and I can't wait to see what they kind of, you know, we're working with Greg. I can't wait to see what they do.

47:28Dr Mark ScialdoneCause I know that Greg's awesome. Meg, Meg has just always been a leader in the industry and she just, she knows nonsense and everything she's done has been really, really great. I mean, it, you know, I was so happy to see. You know, Greg Land there because he definitely deserves a role in the industry. So P-Bud, I think, is down in Florida now. But we were talking about P-Bud because I guess.

47:52Collin PalmerOne plant, right?

47:55Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, that guy that was in the room was talking about Mike.

48:00Collin PalmerRight, yeah, he was actually a processor for OnePlanet. He was talking about how they were switching from, because I've been watching their evolution. I mean, they were first doing greenhouse, now they're back indoor. I mean, I can see why they're doing it from a commercial setting point of view. It's just, you know, there's a lot more security in your environment down in that particular part of the world for, you know, versus greenhouse.

48:21Collin PalmerBut I'm sure VPD must have been crazy to deal with down there. You know, like walking one day, you're like, oh my God, it's like, you know, 90% humidity or whatever. But yeah, they're doing a fantastic job. I think he's, you know, he's really, he's expanded a lot with them. I thought, I actually thought Greg was working with one plant as well. I wasn't sure.

48:41Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I don't know. Skunk Man, your name comes up all the time. I mean, it's so funny, right, Marcus?

48:50SpeakerWe were talking about, well, I want to send him an iPhone just so we can get on Clubhouse.

48:56Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, I mean, Clubhouse is waiting for you, Sam. I mean, you kind of, you come up in conversation on a regular basis, almost like every other hour.

49:07Johnny BYeah, but he can, like, we can barely hear you.

49:13Etienne FontanBarely hear you there, Sam. You need to get closer to your mic.

49:20SpeakerI love that I know this guy so well that I can actually picture. No, we still can't hear you. I can actually picture exactly what he's doing in his house, going from his chair over to where he keeps his computer like 12 to 15 feet away. Fix it. We need to hear you, Sam.

49:41SpeakerAnd Clubhouse also would like to hear you. Like Dr. Mark says, your name definitely comes up a schwack. And I think you'd probably spend, oof, Maybe the first hundred hours just sort of correcting what people are talking about in regards to breeding and what is the land race and what is a hybrid and sort of all that stuff. I don't pretend to know that information well enough, so I just listen and cringe.

50:06SpeakerBut I think, man, I got it.

50:08Johnny BTo the strands.

50:11SpeakerOh, man, that one, that one was like prevalent. That one I can swallow, you know, it's just like, okay, it's just a funny lingo or whatever, but it does seem to connect with the not knowing. And the not knowing is the very thing that you're kind of trying to get out of when you're trying to learn, right?

50:29Etienne FontanBut the CBDs, the CBDs, people, the THCs.

50:35Dr AllisonStop, stop, stop, CBDs.

50:39Dr Mark ScialdoneI like that guy, Big Grease.

50:42SpeakerThe Strands.

50:43Dr Mark ScialdoneBig, big grease. And we were talking about the, the joint, you know, we're talking about ash, you know, and everything like that. And he was talking about the ring of oil in the joint. And he called it the Roo ring of oil. I'm like, nice. That was awesome.

51:01SpeakerShout out to big grease for sure. Because I like that, dude. We got to get him on.

51:05Dr Mark ScialdoneDude, I was about to say, he needs to be in here. Right, Marcus? He seems cool. He seems like he's dialed in, that guy. He speaks my language 100%.

51:13SpeakerLet's just say he has a level of awareness that we're looking for.

51:19Etienne FontanExactly.

51:20Dr AllisonFor sure, for sure.

51:21Etienne FontanYeah, he has a seat at this table for sure, just from the knowledge he's dropping. He's correcting people properly, and it's good to hear.

51:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI was having a conversation about Wade the other day, and maybe you could make sure that I was saying the right thing. And it was about, maybe it wasn't, I don't forget, maybe it was on Tarly Live. But it was about when you discovered the harlequin. And I guess I'll just ask the question just in case anyone hasn't heard it. Were you grounding pots when you found the harlequin or the high CBD?

51:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWere they THC varieties? And what lab were you using at the time?

52:02Wade LasterYeah, you didn't have that quite right. Yes, I was grounding pots at that point. It was an experiment that I was trying because... I was doing everything indoors in those days. And yeah, I had just sprouted the seeds that came from Switzerland. But I was sitting in the flowering room and I meditating about what was going on, why I could feel that the plants were not all the way there to happy.

52:30Wade LasterAnd so I just said, you know, I ran down the list of all the things I was doing to make sure everything was perfect for the plants that I was growing at that point. And what I heard was that they were lonely. And I couldn't quite grok what that was about until I realized that plants evolved in the earth. And the earth has a natural frequency of its own.

52:51Wade LasterI think it's six or seven hertz. And so I, yeah, I figured out a way by putting a grounding bar on a copper pipe in the grow room and ran some, I think it was 10-3 Romex. So I had four fat number 10 wires. I hooked one end of each of those wires up to the copper water pipe that went to ground because I had put it in myself.

53:20Wade LasterAnd then the other end of it, I stuck into four plants. And those four plants at that point, yeah, what ended up being named Harlequin was those four plants. And I had I had seven total that I had grown out. It was the second batch of cuts I'd taken from the original seedling that I was so interested in. And the grounded plants grew so dramatically quicker. I mean, one of the first things I noticed in addition to how much taller they were than their three sisters was when they started setting flowers, I was used to seeing flowers about two weeks into their flowering cycle that were about the size of a pencil eraser.

54:04Wade LasterAnd this is on things like Bubba Kush or Great Bay that I was growing in those days. And the ones that were hooked, the three plants that weren't hooked to ground, the flowers at two weeks were more about the size of my little fingernail as versus a pencil eraser. And the ones that were on ground, that were hooked up to ground, We're already starting to be changing colors.

54:36Wade LasterThey weren't just green all of a sudden, like everything else in the room that was green. They were starting to show other colors. And the flowers at two weeks were as big as my index fingernail. So it kind of blew my mind what was happening with that. And part of why... Part of why it was so memorable is at this time, Nico Escondido was in San Francisco at a trade show.

55:07Wade LasterAnd One of the people I did business with had asked me for some flowers to give out at the show for folks who were coming in from out of town. And Nico ended up with a handful of those flowers. And we had a label in those days and nice little package. And so he was interested and wanted to see what was going on when he came over to the shop.

55:31Wade LasterOne of the first questions he asked me once we were in the flowering room was, what the hell is up with these wires going over here to the plants? And so I explained to him what was going on. And yeah, by the time those four plants finished flowering, the colas on them were as big as my calf. I mean, they were just huge. And the three...

55:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWade, you just got muted on accident.

55:59Wade LasterOh, sorry. And sorry for the long story, fellas. But no, take your time.

56:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThis may be the most important story on Hash Church.

56:09Wade LasterI doubt that, but it's a fascinating story. And part of why I love the story is it's how I learn. You think of things that might be going on with your plants or your growing situation or your extraction process, whatever. And then you set up a little experiment to try and verify what's going on, if this idea is real. And yeah, the grounding thing was impressive enough to Nico That about six months after he was in my flowering room, there was a All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

56:48Wade LasterWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

57:09Wade LasterThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

57:13Wade LasterThe quality of your water, the diversity in your soil, all of those things are sorted out. You've got the right lighting, everything else. If you then provide ground to just a few of those plants, I think you'll be astounded at the difference because plants evolved in the earth. And this is, you know, Sam has talked about how important genetics are in how well plants do in the environment that they are growing in.

57:42Wade LasterAnd if you're working indoors, you can shape that environment. If you're in a greenhouse, you can shape it to some extent. But if you're outdoors in the sun and in the earth, you really need to look for and find the genetics that work in the spot you're in if you're going to see the best results of what the cannabis genetics can provide for you in terms of cannabis chemistry.

58:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you. That is so beautiful. Also, what about the testing component? I may have had that part wrong. So please. And I was saying, as I was saying it, that I may not have it right. So I really wanted to clarify. So thank you.

58:17Wade LasterWell, in that batch of seeds that we got from Switzerland, there were at least two different phenotypes in the things we sprouted. And again, Harlequin really stood out. It was one of the phenotypes, and it was just one seed. But it was so different than the other phenotypes that I was looking at that I kind of went crazy. Follow your passion is the message there. But the other phenotype that we tested, the one that was worthy of growing out because in an indoor environment, we had fairly limited space and had to be fairly selective about eliminating things that we weren't that interested in.

58:59Wade LasterThe other phenotype that we tested was a high THC variety. And the testing that we were doing at that point, Harborside was one of the vendors that I was that our product was going to. And and they had just opened up Steep Hill Labs. And so, yeah, I went in and talked to them about it because I was a vendor. They were willing to do it. They hadn't started testing all their flowers at this point.

59:32Wade LasterAnd yeah, they I think it was $100 a pop for cannabinoids. And so that's how I knew the one was high THC. And then the other one, like I said, it came back, it was, I think it was eight and a half percent CBD and five and a half percent THC at eight weeks of flower. And And yeah, they were pretty excited. They pointed me towards Fred Gardner, the publisher of O'Shaughnessy's.

1:00:03Wade LasterAnd I spent some time learning a little bit more about him before I gave him a call. And... Out of meeting him and a couple of other people who had found some CBD cultivars, we started what's now known as Project CBD. And it was quite a project sorting out what were we going to do with these plants? Because one of the folks that had this high CBD thing going on was me.

1:00:31Wade LasterAnd I was already giving it away fast and furious because I was learning more and more about what CBD could do for folks. One of the other people was kind of, eh, I don't know. Maybe we should hold on to this. This might be worth money. And the third fellow was like, dude, this is a fucking goldmine. What are you doing giving it away? And I'm still good friends with both of those fellows.

1:00:59Wade LasterAnd there were other folks involved in the conversation, including Fred and Martin Lee. But I really, and I still feel like, you know, when you find something that's unique and special and offers benefit to folks.

1:01:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHow was Ringo Lawrence involved in that time period? Was Ringo Lawrence using Purian?

1:01:20Wade LasterLawrence, yeah, Lawrence Ringo. Ringo was the name he went by. Lawrence was his first name. Right. And no, he was not involved at the beginning with Project CBD. I met him through... Fred and Samantha Miller of Pure Analytics. And Samantha was working with Lawrence quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Samantha is a brilliant chemist and analytical chemist and doing really good work in the compassion realm for years.

1:01:56Wade LasterAnd yeah, Lawrence, one of the first conversations we had, he said he had gotten some harlequin cuttings and was going to cross it with a sour tsunami. And how did I feel about that? And I just thought that was a great thing. So, yeah, we became good friends and I've done quite a bit of work with Harley Sue, the cross that he made there, Sour Tsunami, Cana Sue.

1:02:22Wade LasterAll of the cultivars that have CBD in them that end in TSU are from Lawrence Ringo's work. Ringo's Gift is another beautiful cultivar that does quite well in Northern California. And Lawrence died suddenly a few years ago. It was kind of a heartbreaking thing because he was, he was such a beautiful guy and he did, yeah, he did a lot of great work in the compassion realm.

1:02:49Wade LasterI just got to say much love out there, Ringo. I hear you and feel you in the room with us. Yeah.

1:03:00SpeakerThanks for sharing, Wade. That's awesome. And yeah, huge shout out to Ringo, well-known cannabis warrior, doing the good work. And man, if anyone else has Ringo stories, let's keep his vibes alive.

1:03:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineA lot of the DEM Pure farmers in Northern California have been growing out a lot of the Ringo's Gifts, a lot of the Harle Sue's, a lot of those CBD varieties over the years. So big up to the DEM Pure family and keeping that alive. Also we grew, the harlases that we grew this year were just twice the size of everything else in the greenhouse and really large, large style buds.

1:03:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI just wanna point out, I think it's really phenomenal that you were on your second cloning grow When you then grounded it and it really changed the plant, I think that's just a really important teaching and a really beautiful teaching on how you can affect your plant with such a simple, you know, action. And anyone could plug a wire into a ground and make that happen. And I think that's really great.

1:04:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut yeah, the CBD also with the CBD, we were in Colorado. Welcome, Cal.

1:04:19SpeakerHi, everybody. I was doing some things this morning. It's so lovely to see you. And I've been listening in the background. I had some work to do. Good morning. Happy Sunday. It's so lovely to be here. Good morning. Good morning, lovely dear.

1:04:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSuper quick story again about CBD. We can move on whenever. But we were in Colorado, you know, I don't know, five or six years ago and visiting Centennial Seeds and the CBD seed company out in Denver and

1:04:52SpeakerIs it Ben? Ben.

1:04:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, and he had a GL gas chromatography machine in his warehouse and in his grill, along with record players, which I like the record players. So I think the vinyl is an important component. And probably the synthesizers too, Colin, if we're real. Anyway, it was a long time ago. It was in the beginning of the whole entire, you know, movement in Colorado with CBD. And it was really cool to go through his.

1:05:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it was just what you were talking about. You know, he was able to look at all of his plants through his own home gas chromatography cannabinoid machine, and he was keeping all of his own notes. And he was really progressing at the time. And it was really cool to see, you know, to see it go from sort of what Wade and Ringo and the families out in California were doing to then like to a more commercial scale out in Colorado and then come back now to Oregon and see what Oregon has done with it.

1:05:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's just pretty amazing.

1:05:48SpeakerAnd Ben is sort of like one of the unsung heroes, just like Bodie out there in Colorado as well. You know, those guys were searching for CBD and hemp well long before it was even sort of the end thing to talk about. And to go into Ben's laboratory is like hilarious. He's got like his gas chromatography in the corner and then Stacks of records, like more records than you've ever seen in your entire life.

1:06:15SpeakerAnd he just sits in there and just runs sample after sample after sample, you know.

1:06:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWith the storefront in front of it, you know, where you can sell the seeds. It's sweet. I don't know what's happening at the moment because we haven't been there.

1:06:29Dr Mark ScialdoneI have a question in this story and I've been asked. This question before, and Wade, maybe you could give me some color or, you know, certainly anybody on the panel that knows how does, how exactly does the Stanley brothers, Charlotte Webb, Charlotte's Webb fit into that lineage or does it not fit into the lineage or was that something completely different or.

1:06:53Johnny BCompletely different.

1:06:55Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

1:06:57Collin PalmerI remember, wasn't it the R4 cut, guys? I don't know.

1:07:01Johnny BAt the same time. That's when, even up here in BC, when we tested a sample that was named Haley's Comet, that came from Franklin from Nanaimo, it was like 13% CBD, 5% THC. It was that two to one. Same kind of like it was all around that same time as a Harlequin as the Stanley Brothers came out with Charlotte's Web and there's that big craze. I think Haley's Comet was around 2008 though.

1:07:25Johnny BOne was Harlequin Quaid. What year was that?

1:07:27Wade LasterAbout 2008 as well.

1:07:29Johnny BYeah, but remember that it's around the same time because I mean and same with Charlotte's Web. Was it around that same time too?

1:07:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also the Cannatonics and it's important to note that Spain was doing a lot of work as well at the time and still does. So big shout out. We've met a lot of those breeders at Emerald Cup over the years. And if they're listening, we appreciate you.

1:07:52SpeakerSo how about a shout out to Skunk Man Sam, who might have been doing his work 20 years prior to anyone we just mentioned. Yeah.

1:08:01Collin PalmerAnd also Shanti with the CBD crew. What's the, I don't know much about When they started, does anyone know what the story with that is?

1:08:10Wade LasterBack in 2013, I think it was, in the spring, I got a handful of seeds, about seven different packets that ended up coming from Jamie at Rosin Seeds, which is the Spanish, I'm not sure about the corporate structure there, but it's my understanding, Jaime, sorry. I've never met the man nor spoken to him in person, but... Oh, you'd like... Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I've been told that.

1:08:40Wade LasterBut in the meantime, yeah, I was asked to beta test a bunch of seeds and... There were seven different things there. And one of those today I learned was named Medi-Haze. And there was a cut, a specific version of one of those Medi-Haze seeds that caught my eye just like Harlequin. We made cuts of that and got it out here in Northern California. I always point to CBD Crew as the source of those seeds, but part of why I wanted to mention Medihey specifically is Forrest and his son Silas, who was on Hash Church with us at one point.

1:09:23Wade LasterThey're still struggling with epilepsy and Forrest has really had to withdraw from his cannabis advocacy trying to keep Silas alive. This is really what it boils down to. But Mehdi Hayes was the cultivar, the specific cultivar from Jaime and the folks in Spain that gave that Silas went from having 100 seizures a day over a period of months. And they were going back and forth on trying to keep him alive, basically.

1:09:57Wade LasterAnd he got some Mehdi Hayes oil on a Friday night. Didn't have any seizures Friday night. And then as they kept giving him this oil, he went four months before he had another seizure. It was insane. The change.

1:10:13Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's the ratio of cannabinoids in that?

1:10:17Wade LasterAgain, similar to Harlequin, different terpenes and probably different cannabinoids. But it was a it's a two to one as well. So another two to one. Yeah. Now, the Medicaid is two to one. I mean, Wade, do you think that there's something to that? I mean, oh, I'm utterly convinced. Yes. Right. It's why hemp is not the answer. I'm sorry. You know, I love hemp. It's the cannabis plant.

1:10:40Wade LasterIt's the same thing. But I think the real magic, at least in my experience working with the people I've worked with over the years, the real magic happens when you've got CBD and THC and a bunch of the other cannabinoids all together. There's that ensemble thing. It's a real phenomenon in patient experience. That's what I've seen again and again.

1:11:01Dr Mark ScialdoneJust to be clear, it's two CBD for every one THC, right?

1:11:07Wade LasterWell, Harlequin and Medi-Haze were both that, what you just said. Like some people say Harlequin can be a three to one. And I think that depends on when it's harvested. I think there's a change that happens in ratio depending on harvest date with these cultivars. But I'm pretty convinced that more important than the ratio in terms of what benefit is happening for a person is it really has to do with How much THC can a person tolerate in terms of using a cannabis product over a period of time?

1:11:42Wade LasterIf they enjoy THC, then they might want something that has more THC than CBD. But I'm pretty convinced that the best benefit in terms of your health and your well-being and your feeling good is going to have some CBD mixed into the THC. Sorry, Sam, but I feel that strong.

1:12:01Etienne FontanThat's one thing I recommend to a lot of my cancer patients and my business partner. He actually had cancer and I put him on that regimen and it got rid of his cancer along with conventional treatments. And I just want to also clarify is, You're going to be heartfelt to find any CBD prior to 2008 in the United States domestically because it wasn't until we started testing then in 2007 and 2008 for THC that we found that secondary spike that we're like, what the fuck is this?

1:12:33Etienne FontanAnd we were able to find that in Mishulam's. Now, I know, of course, Sam has been doing this for a long time, but You know, I was part of that team here in America that were actually trying to test that. So that's when those secondary spikes were mostly found. So most of your CBD is from 2008 forward domestically that I'm aware of.

1:12:53Dr AllisonI'm going to add something. I want to add something really quick. So this is what we see in our office. We work with a lot of oncology patients and the ones who are using CBD with THC tend to have better results. Then those who are just using like something from Rite Aid, that's a hemp derived CBD. And, you know, I would love to hear more of what Sam has to say about that, but that's just what we see.

1:13:25SpeakerWell, can you hear me now?

1:13:31SpeakerYes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, I just wanted to say that we started our CBD work in the mid and late 80s. That's when we started. And we had a CBD plant by 1990 that was about 10% CBD with less than a point Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:14:27SpeakerThe bottom line is we started in the late 80s and we told Fred Gardner about our work and that helped kick off the whole CBD quest because they heard it existed. We told him we had it, but we licensed it to a pharmaceutical company. To pay for our research and development. And yeah, I think CBD is amazing. And all the time people are making fun of me because I say I don't like it, you know, because I don't need it for medical benefit.

1:15:14SpeakerIf I needed it for medical benefit, I would like it. And we did stick our necks out on the limb, you know, in the late 80s and developed a CBD only variety. And we were able to do that with gas chromatography and high pressure liquid chromatography. And, oh, I want to say something else too. Dr. Allison asked, what is the GC useful for?

1:15:43Dr AllisonWell, another thing- No, the CBD, no, I meant like hemp-derived CBD versus cannabis-derived CBD.

1:15:53SpeakerNo, I was talking, you asked about a GC chromatography, what was it useful for? Oh, yes, sir, yes, sir. Okay, and- They're very useful for determining terpenes. We always use GCFID for the last 30 years. And that was a state of the art. Maybe there's some more sophisticated ones that I'm not as aware of today. But GCFID for terpenes is the answer. Quick question, Sam, from Hermesha Elucens.

1:16:32SpeakerYou had HPLC and analytical standards for THC and CBD by 1990? Oh, earlier, yes. And how did you do that?

1:16:45SpeakerWell, first of all, the only cannabinoid that's controlled in the Netherlands, which we didn't possess until the very early 90s when we were licensed, but the only cannabinoids that are controlled is Delta 9 and Delta 8. All the other cannabinoids are not controlled in the Netherlands if you can find them or isolate them yourself or whatever. Did you get testing standards like from SEGRA and stuff like that?

1:17:18SpeakerAbsolutely, but we made ones ourselves that were actually purer and better than SEGRA.

1:17:26Etienne FontanYeah, that's what we did. We had to bring in, you know, Dr. Hoskop to actually make the solution since he was making the solutions for the Dutch. It was easy for him to, once we had him in a lab here domestically, then he was actually able to do gas chromatograph and UVH PLC so that we had both online to actually quantify just again, just THC.

1:17:48SpeakerYeah, well, our problem was when we got SAGRA standards, one of the first sources we got, they said they were 98% pure. When we tested them, they were 86% pure THC. So, you know, if you have numbers that screwed up from the beginning, all of your work will be screwed up because it's built on that foundation.

1:18:19Etienne FontanRight, that screws your ring testing in every way, shape, or form.

1:18:23SpeakerYes, except for I was doing ring testing with Dr. El Soleil and Bren Eisen in Switzerland, and the three of us were getting identical results. I knew we were doing something right.

1:18:41Etienne FontanThat's how we do it, ladies and gentlemen.

1:18:46SpeakerUm, Wade, I wanted to just back up really quick and just talk about how you're really finding, you know, those one-to-ones or, you know, where THC is heavily present as well. I feel like, you know, we've been treating patients for 25 years and as the information All of that, you know, comes to light. There was a lot more THC. We didn't have testing back at that time, but we were using a lot of old varietals.

1:19:14SpeakerSo my guess is that there was a lot of CBD in those sort of land-raised-ish And I noticed that when we were making medicine, say like in the early 90s, the late 80s, it seemed like it was helping people more, more quickly. And then as the varietals started to change, they were becoming more hybridized, more higher THC, the same medicine that we were making, I was finding that we were needing more like heroic doses of it.

1:19:49SpeakerAll of these people were really sort of like, you know, out. They were only waking up to go to shower, to eat, to go to the bathroom. It was healing them, but they weren't having, you know, they were just having to take more. And as we

1:20:09SpeakerI was seeing that healing again with the same medicine that we were making, except even more exorbitant. And the patients were having to use even less. And now the next step to that is, and I just wanted to introduce here, is utilizing hemp Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:20:55SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

1:21:20SpeakerYou're having to take maybe even less of that medicine to get to the same results. This is totally ongoing observation. It's a lifelong experiment of medicine, but also as much as we're talking about compounding cannabinoids, also compounding plant medicine with cannabis, I feel like is equally as important as compounding all of the cannabinoids for the medicine. So sorry, I went off on a rant on that, but like mushrooms and like kava kava and I could go on and on and different types of Chinese herbs and roots and Josh said astragalus, you know, I could go on and on with important compounding and looking at different symptoms like CBD and THC are wonderful symptomatic healers and they can be total curatives.

1:22:13SpeakerBut when we add different compounds of other types of medicines and we bring in other plant intelligence into it, then we're compounding the cannabinoids, the terpenes, and all of the other alkaloids and other plant compounds that can go hand in hand. Sorry for the long wind there.

1:22:35Wade LasterWell, I would say Sam would probably have a better opinion on what sort of cannabinoids were in the early land races that came to North America. But I remember reading at one point some information from the Drug Enforcement Administration where they were We've got a lot of people running analytical testing for cannabinoids on cannabis that had been seized coming into the United States as part of law enforcement action.

1:23:07Wade LasterAnd yeah, a lot of the cannabis that was coming in from Mexico

1:23:13Wade LasterJames Cagney, Dean of the University of New York, Dean of the University of New York, Dean of the University of New York, Dean of the University of New York. James Cagney, Dean of the University of New York, Dean of the University of New York. James Cagney, Dean of the University of New York. James Cagney, Dean of the University of New York. James Cagney, Dean of the University of New York.

1:23:34Wade LasterAll of us were breeding for psychoactivity. So we were breeding out CBD without really understanding that that's what was going on. We were just trying to optimize the get high experience. And flavor too, right?

1:23:53Dr Mark ScialdoneFlavor too.

1:23:55Wade LasterFlavor and get high. So terpenes and

1:24:00Wade LasterAll of that. And yeah, I love the diversity of the cannabis plant because all of these different experiences that we are mostly talking about on Hash Church associated with cannabinoids, we're primarily talking about THC. And THC is a wonderful cannabinoid, but there's all of the other things that are going on in the plant are part of what makes the difference between something like headband and cannabinoid. Thank you for joining us.

1:24:44Wade LasterIt's astounding and beautiful, the majesty of this plant and what she can create for us. And yeah, to circle back to ratios and CBD and THC, I'm pretty sure that if you took pure THC and pure CBD and put them into a product at whatever ratio Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:25:32Wade LasterAnd again, I'm not really the expert on this. Mark, you could speak more about it, or Sam could speak more about it. But my experience has been that much what you were saying, Kelly, at lower doses, we see much better benefit when there's whole plant versions of CBD, THC, minor cannabinoids, flavonoids. And I, for one, am utterly convinced that other herbal and fungal allies Will be a benefit to us in conjunction with cannabis, particularly the psychedelic realm.

1:26:11Wade LasterBut because I don't have much experience or practice with it myself, I don't speak much about it here. But I do use all kinds of herbs in my own care for working with other people. I just offer cannabis. And that's kind of where I'm at with that. Yeah, I'm utterly convinced. Whole plant, CBD and THC and whatever ratio works for the end user, you'll see much better results at much lower doses.

1:26:39Dr AllisonI'm trying to like turn my microphone on.

1:26:48Etienne FontanCutting out. Cutting out. You're in a car.

1:26:53Etienne FontanYou're on mute now. You're on mute, dog.

1:26:56Collin PalmerCan you explain that time, Marcus, where you had to cut me off because I was getting on a conference call? I didn't remember that.

1:27:05SpeakerYeah, you were starting a Zoom call. It was good. I think there was another one that happened like that the other day that we were like, oh, it was the Pop Brothers at Law. They came into a room and those guys are already kind of like, you know, they're these kind of loud lawyer-like guys that are like, hey, you don't keep your fucking mouth shut. They're hilarious.

1:27:25SpeakerI like them. But he was he was on like a call in his office. Like, I'll mute you. Nice to be able to mute people when they forget to be muted. Johnny B's trained me like I'm I have a black belt in muting people at this point in time. Over five years of hash church. Where are you, Johnny B? Come on, unmute your mic for me and crinkle some parchment.

1:27:53SpeakerAnd shout out to Brian from Best Friend Farms. Dude, how the hell are you doing? You're laughing over there.

1:28:00Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm doing well. Nice to see you guys. Just having a good old time.

1:28:04SpeakerDude, a lot of people asked me if the picture of rosin on the front page of this hash church was yours. So many people asked me that. And I have to shout out whose it was because that rosin belongs to good buds. I believe it was Snow God, but it might have been Time Warp. And it was this young kid. I think he's like 19 years old.

1:28:26Dr Mark ScialdoneHe works over at Good Buds on Salt Spring Island.

1:28:29SpeakerHis name is Tristan Kolombin, C-O-L-L-O-M-B-I-N. Tristan with an A, C-R-I-S-T-A-N. I wanted to shout him out because he made that bubble. He made that rosin. He took that picture. And although I knew he would be stoked when I used it on the front of Hash Church, there was no I couldn't figure out a way to shout him out. So I'll put a little shout out for him in the comment section once the YouTube video is actually up.

1:28:57SpeakerAnd I have also just shouted him out now. And man, it's a lot of people know your resin. When resin looks like your resin, they think it's your resin.

1:29:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, nice work to homie there. Definitely shout him out. We've been getting some good results though lately.

1:29:18SpeakerYou guys get great results, man. I'm always blown away at what you guys are pulling off over there. It's like East Coast Cali over there.

1:29:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, man, brought a little bit of that back, actually. And yeah, but definitely started with the whole bubble hash thing. Oh, geez. Almost 20 years ago on the East Coast, you know. So nice to be back here doing it. We've been getting a lot of good results with the cured resin dry flower hole plant bubble runs. And showing some of that work lately. But yeah, I'm loving the conversation about the CBD medicine and full spectrum medicine with other plants.

1:29:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsDefinitely with the THC. Done some breeding of my own with some trying to go terp forward, put some terps on that CBD THC stuff. I introduced a little bit of pineapple fields actually. And a few other different hoping for terpy types. We work with one actually out here called Purple Orange, which is a Calio back cross, a Calio diesel back cross that I think came from Dynafem overseas in Europe.

1:30:25Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd that one's really loud, terp forward, super bright. So I just want to throw that out there. Definitely use a lot of CBD medicine and recommend it, especially for us, you know, heavy THC consumers seems to kind of, Uh, flatten out the roller coaster with that. So yeah. Hey everyone.

1:30:47Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat are you with the whole plant dried resin runs? Are you, what bags are you using, um, to catch the whole plant? Is it down to 40? Oh, that's fine.

1:30:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo we're, we're actually, well, we're using the full bag set. So we do six bag and then we do a three wash series on the full bag. We do what I've been calling kind of a micro macro. So we're like small batch. We're kind of excited about it. We've been doing this for a couple of years just for our own rhythm and it works really well. We've kind of dialed in for our, I think a primary five, 10, 15 minute wash consecutively with the clean out between and, you know, fresh water, ice input up to the last run, then kind of a clean out dump.

1:31:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd we've been focusing on definitely for the whole, for the kind of broad spectrum, 73 to 160. And that's been our best trap for the whole plant dried stuff. But I'm finding that for the rosin press, the 120 to 160 for the dry, you know, versus fresh frozen, always love the black bag, the 90 to 120 black bag is like, you know, the baby, but gooey, terpy and the resin both together.

1:31:59Bryan Best Friend FarmsBut I'm finding for like the pristine lighter nature that maybe the market demands a little bit in the new day. For like the lighter look rosin that you can still get from an air dry cured resin comes from that 120 to 160 locked in for sure.

1:32:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI love it. I love it. And yeah, I mean, and also have you are you pressing? Have you pressed or made any hash from hemp or any kind of CBD stuff? I know nicotine and essential extracts was doing some cool stuff a long time ago. And I remember when I first smoked my first hemp, like Hash, I was kind of like trippy. And it was weird when Smokable Hemp took off too.

1:32:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou were like, whoa, like Smokable Hemp is one of the number one products for hemp farms, you know, originally. You know, not maybe now, but you know, but still Smokable Hemp was big. But any experience with making Hash out of hemp?

1:32:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, making some bubble hash out of hemp. We made some full spectrum from dried plant, dried flower like a couple years ago. Just found kind of on repeat. The yields were a little lower and such, but they did make a really goopy, black, tarry substance. I can't remember if it was at the bottom, lower micron or higher set, but it was not your average, you know, 73 to 160 even.

1:33:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt was almost on the other side of that. And with some, I think the 73 to 90, maybe that was kind of, you know, it was very black tarry. It was tan and rich, but had a tacky glue quality that just dense stuck together, very heavy, small, dense, you know, black, dark right away. And it had a bubble, had a melt quality to it, even, you know, with heat, but it was not, not full melt.

1:33:44Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt was perhaps not the best tasting, had a good heavy CBD effect. Um, yeah, but always on the search for new stuff. I talked to the ancient green friends last week that said they have something like a peach tree or some other work from, uh, I think from a moon gazer or somebody, any, it's a peach tree or something with some peach terps. And I'm always kind of looking for the, like I said, very terp forward kind of CBD work.

1:34:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe've been doing otherwise like a super haze cut last year for the full, just went full plant. Like you guys are talking about into the, Extraction loop there for the FICO, for the, you know, for the ancient grains processing. And getting amazing healing results for a couple of years between elders in the community solving their pain to my dog showed my younger dog has Lyme disease. And I don't know, I can't say that this is what helped or did it, but we put her on the antibiotic because her platelet count was so high at like a 171 where she originally showed a 29, which was flagging for the Lyme at a young age, six months.

1:34:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsA year later, she was 171. We did the regimen and I stuck her on this, you know, some other medicine here and there too, a little bit for about a month at the end before testing. And she showed at about, I think it was a 19 count, like not even on the chart after a year of regimen, every single day with that CBD formula, you know, pretty heavy dosing, honestly, daily, didn't skip a day.

1:35:13Bryan Best Friend FarmsMy old dog with us lives by it too and has the most high quality of life with it. And anyway, I wanted to throw that in. The pets are absolutely amazing. I saw Lyme disease, I believe, is what kind of kicked its butt, you know.

1:35:26Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat was the dose that you were giving it daily?

1:35:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, I'd say about a dropper full. I don't know what that equivalents to. What is that, like a two mil dropper?

1:35:39Dr Mark ScialdoneIs that neat oil or is that oil that's been diluted?

1:35:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I went with an MCT oil with what I would say about a 2,500 mil is what I make at home for us. You know, honestly, 25 to 3,000 mil, we kind of go strong. It tastes, it's rough, you know, but what I would do is, you know, a full drop or full two to three mil.

1:36:01Dr Mark ScialdoneYou mean milligram, not mil, right? Just so I know.

1:36:05Bryan Best Friend FarmsMilligram. Milligram, yeah, excuse me. Yeah. So like what, a 2,500 to 3,000 milligram?

1:36:12Dr Mark ScialdoneUm, type of bottle size, two ounce bottle in a one ounce.

1:36:16Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. One ounce, I guess, suspension is at an MCT. Yeah.

1:36:20Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd a one ounce bottle.

1:36:21Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou're asking kind of the wrong person was, um, a 31 ounce bottle.

1:36:27Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know, I'm trying to get as much information on this because people do this all the time. I've never heard it for Lyme's disease. So like, um, I, I think that that's, uh, You know, I mean, again, more things to look into. I mean, my gosh. So like, what do you notice?

1:36:47Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo like three gram, like, like three grams of crude oil, carbon dioxide, you know, crude FECO into one ounce of MCT oil.

1:36:58Wade LasterThat gives you 100 milligrams per milliliter. Okay. Okay.

1:37:02Dr Mark ScialdoneThat gives you 100 milligrams per milliliter. Yeah, that's pretty concentrated, right? Yes.

1:37:08Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe go pretty strong. I've went from about half of that up, and I definitely make it pretty strong, no question. It's very crude even on the taste.

1:37:18Dr Mark ScialdoneAre you mixing this?

1:37:19Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo what I do for my doggies with my doggies at dinner time for them, I will mix it up on their food and I give them a special gravy from our own chicken bone stock at home that we make, you know, from the neighbor's chicken. So we do it pretty right. And a local protein source. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:38:05Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you so much for joining us.

1:38:27SpeakerOur dogs have been our patients, like our dogs have been and our cats and our animals and then the neighbors horses and the neighbors goats. I've been using cannabis for 30 years to see

1:38:43SpeakerYou know how we can take them either out of a death situation or out of acute different types of symptoms. And that super high concentrated CBD, like you're talking about, like 100 milligrams per gram is what we're making here. So each capsule is worth about a gram, give or take just a little bit in the way that we make it. So it's about 90 to 100 milligrams per capsule.

1:39:12SpeakerAnd our dogs will get a heaping tablespoon in their food per day. So they're eating about probably 2000 milligrams of CBD per day. And

1:39:27SpeakerI think it's, it's amazing. The changes.

1:39:32Dr Mark ScialdoneHave you guys ever found where it makes the dog restless at night? And like they sometimes will be panting at night. I mean, I think that again, that's one of our things about giving superheroic doses. We don't know if we're just Over stimulating their cannabinoid system. I'm always worried about giving the dog too much cannabinoids. So now they're just all.

1:39:55SpeakerI think it depends on the age of the dogs and what the dogs have as far as symptoms, because I never had a young dog that amount. What I'm talking about is our older dog. I'm looking at him right here. He's got tumors. He's over 14. I think he's 15 now. Sweetest thing, but just, you know, keeping his, you know, zest for life is all that's important.

1:40:22SpeakerAnd I just, what I wanted to say in here was that you can use, yeah, and the THC needs to be incredibly low. So that's why those high concentrations of the hemp, because I noticed that the high THC, they're affected. Oh yeah.

1:40:42Wade LasterI know a veterinarian here in Northern California that's had a couple of dogs die from consuming edibles that were high THC. Dogs have an insane number of cannabinoid receptors in their cerebellum and that will, so THC affects them very strongly. Really be careful giving your dog cannabis that has THC in it.

1:41:07Etienne FontanHey, speaking of California, hold on one second. There is an actual Assembly Bill 384, which would prohibit the Board from disciplining veterinarians who recommend cannabis on an animal for medical purposes. So in California, AB 384 is the one you should be calling your representative and your local people to make them aware so that, you know, because we can't carry products currently for animals because of this, it is very much a challenge.

1:41:39Etienne FontanSo this will be a step toward normalization here in the state of California. So AB 384, call your people now. Thank you. Thank you.

1:41:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYou can't carry pet products, ATN?

1:41:54Etienne FontanIt is a gray area. I mean, people can choose to, but the SBOE, I mean, not the SBOE, BCC currently is, yeah, they're kind of, it's one of those areas where we need a bill like SB 384 for that type of protection. Again, remember, I can't carry CBD from hemp. I can carry CBD from THC plants. So I can carry it from indica, but not from sativa.

1:42:17Etienne FontanSo CBD is CBD is CBD, but the law here is ignorant and dumb. And we still have to educate the ignorant and dumb because we've got ignorant and dumb laws like this. So, you know, I hear you.

1:42:31Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat processors are doing, I think, is that they can take metrics

1:42:38Dr Mark ScialdoneI think there's a there's an organization that that was set up for Massachusetts. So you can get it in as an ingredient. There's like a weird gray area there.

1:43:03Collin PalmerSo that's the best that the state's really done. So it's kind of weird, but it's just, you know, cause it's a cannabinoid, you know? And I want to say, you know, Josh, Kelly, I've made some three to one here, rosin from fresh rose and hemp that, well, really a drug cultivar, but I've also been working with Lifter and

1:43:29Collin PalmerI'm trying to get some better understanding of like how it reacts to different processes. So I'll let you guys know how I get as I get deeper into it. I've got quite a bit to play with. So that's awesome.

1:43:41Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd those are generally plants. I mean, yeah, those I mean, they smell good.

1:43:47Collin PalmerYeah, lifters super sour, really kind of like got that nice, like, you know, I have some here, you know, it's nice. It's a, all you guys know, I mean, it's, it's really sappy, but this is, this was really beautiful. I mean, the color is really nice on it. You know, it's just, it's nice. It's a nice floral, you know, that one's from Electra. So, but it's, but each varietal is like, is all over the place.

1:44:14Collin PalmerYou know, I've had varieties that, I would love to dig into why this group thinks different cultivars work differently.

1:44:39Wade LasterIn the extraction process. And part of what's driving this in my mind is in making FECO Full extract oil of different cultivars. One of the things I've come to realize is things that are predominantly THC in FECO don't flow well at all at room temperature. Whereas things that are more rich in CBD and low in THC do flow pretty readily at room temperature. And I know that terpenes probably play a part in that, but when I I think cannabinoids have something to do with it, but even if you're talking about like what's the difference between, I remember Bubba Kush was a cultivar that never worked into hash very well.

1:45:49Wade LasterSo what's the difference there? It can't be just cannabinoids. There's something else going on with the trichomes that gives us this different response, whether we're pressing or... Yeah, you guys get the gist of my question? I'm wondering. I'd love to hear.

1:46:13Dr Mark ScialdoneI would say it's a terpene. He wants to be a solid, right? Are these in liquid? Are you talking about liquid extract?

1:46:21Etienne FontanSam, speak up. You were a little low there.

1:46:23SpeakerI heard you. I said, I presume it's mostly the terpenes.

1:46:33Collin PalmerYeah, I concur with that. I've seen, and I'm sure maybe Marcus could share some of his experiences, but... I think certain varietals like a Jack Herrera is just like historically a low yielding varietal because of the type of terpenes it actually produces. But also, you know, I think we could even get more granular in terms of the type of trichome heads that it grows as well. But I'm leaning towards.

1:47:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineColin is the trichome heads here. Whenever you touch most of the hemp flowers, they're really greasy. You know, they're that same kind of Jack Herrera greasy thing. So there's something in the terpenes and the cannabinoid makeup. And maybe that's why it flows better. It makes sense, right? Like when you touch it, it just greases out in your hands. That would make the the fico that you make more viscous and flow a little bit better.

1:47:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I think the THC varietal Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:47:57SpeakerAnd how different temperatures crease out at different, you know, volatile oils. Yeah, that's it.

1:48:04Dr Mark ScialdoneSorry. I was just going to add that different cultivars all have different terpenes and different terpenes have different saturation points for THCA and THCA, which is the predominant cannabinoid that's in these kinds of varieties, is going to want to Chris crystallize out above its saturation point, but just before its saturation point, if it's a super saturated solution, it's going to be viscous. Yeah. And the thing with, with it's, I found an interesting way with, with CBD.

1:48:43Dr Mark ScialdoneSo again, we're talking about TCA, which wants to be a solid, right? THC is a, is a, is a liquid. It's just a very, very, very viscous liquid. It's not quite a solid. I mean, you can freeze. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:49:28Wade LasterWe try to do the extraction. We do the extractions in cold ethanol, and we don't decarboxylate before we do it. Because again, if you're looking for psychoactivity, you would decarboxylate. But if you're trying to make medicine, particularly for people who are sensitive to THC, you try and keep it decarboxylated or carboxylated. You still want it.

1:49:50Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat we found is, and I don't know if you see this too, Colin, in alcohol recovery from an alcohol extraction, That you get spontaneous decarboxylation of CBDA and CBDA in solution, CBDA in solution is not stable and it readily decarboxylates. And so what we find is just that letting the crude sit, we'll measure it and we'll see no CBDA at all. However, all the CO2 that's been, that's been, We're going to talk a little bit more about what we're going to talk about today.

1:50:30Dr Mark ScialdoneWe're going to talk a little bit more about what we're going to talk about today.

1:50:53Dr Mark ScialdoneFor a high CBD crude than you do for a high THC crude. And I would just attribute that again, I think Sam's right, absolutely for the terpenes that's in there. But ultimately, I mean, those two compounds just have very different characteristics altogether. I mean, THC is just viscous, viscous, viscous, honey-like syrupy oil that again, you can freeze into a solid below root temperature, but For the most part of room temperature, it's just a viscous oil.

1:51:26Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd the last other thing I was just going to mention is that sometimes with THCA, when you get a saturated THCA solution, it does get very, very, very viscous. So I've seen some saps that are almost solid, but they're just still a runny liquid. And it's because the terpenes are doing a good job at keeping all that THC in solution. And it's not kind of gone above the THC saturation point.

1:51:58Dr Mark ScialdoneBut the fact that each individual strain is going to have a different saturation point, like what we had found is like with headband in particular, it makes a really good, you know, diamonds, really good sauce. But for some reason, some of those hazes, and again, this has to do, I guess, with the fact that they're high in the sesquiterpenes, Dr. Michael Diller, M.D. : Sesquiterpians don't necessarily volatilize away, but they're still liquids, and they solubilize all the cannabinoids.

1:52:27Dr Mark ScialdoneThose strains tend to be more sauce-like, tend to make a lot of sauces, and you could still get diamonds to partition John MacDonald, Out of those saturated solutions, but it might take a little bit longer on the shelf. John MacDonald, And also what you might find is that if you're filling vape pen cartridges with those types of sauces early on, you might find after a few weeks, you got a little crystals in your vape pen tank because John MacDonald, Yeah, the saturation has not fully or the crystallization hasn't hasn't fully happened.

1:52:59Dr Mark ScialdoneBut from my experimental results, I think we have measured this actually on three or four different ones. It appears as though the THCA saturation point in things like I think we did for headband, and I want to say we did for lemon diesel, was right around 86 or 87%. So if you exceed that,

1:53:20Dr Mark ScialdoneIn terms of the amount of cannabinoids in there and you have less terpenes in there, you're going to start crashing things out. But that's going to be very specific to the cultivar and probably very specific to the way that that cultivar was grown and probably more specific to how it was extracted and, you know, put into the jar.

1:53:43Collin PalmerYeah, I agree with you, Mark.

1:53:44Bryan Best Friend FarmsGood thing you were staying there. Hey, Colin. Yeah. Have you been washing any hazes at all?

1:53:53Collin PalmerSo, yeah. So I've, you know, I've washed a lot of hazes in general just because I like them. I mean, I really enjoy them. And commercially, they just don't make sense. Like I've, you know, on hill haze, you know, over 16 weeks. It's hard, but yeah. I think the closest thing commercially viable just to like think, you know, that grows really well is like some of the Jack's Cleaner lines.

1:54:24Collin PalmerThat if you can find a good phenotype and chemotype there, it'll it definitely dumps and it makes six star like a beauty. Um, but I think, um, I'm trying to think of the name of the variety that I ran this past year that was like super amazing, but it just yielded like 2%. And it was just like for the game head stash at that point. Um, but we did like, yeah, that's maybe like a hundred pounds.

1:54:54Collin PalmerIt was really good though. Um, but yeah, I think, you know, for hazes for me, um, I try to look towards things like that have been worked a lot, you know, like, like that, you know, like the Jack's cleaner or, or any of those types of variety, or even the, the, um, Jack Frost from Lupa. That was one that I've, I've ran that had like a pretty good yield if I don't have my notes around me, but I think that was another one that was good.

1:55:21Collin PalmerUm, But yeah, you know, also Brothers Grimm, you know, Rosetta Stone was actually one that I put out in Massachusetts and people loved it because it just embodied the Jack Herrera but had this like floral, Ecuadorial vibe to it that was very different for the Northeast here. Like people just weren't next to, you know, They just weren't next to these varietals, so to speak. They really didn't get into this floral thing out here very much.

1:55:52Collin PalmerThey look at what California is going through in terms of what their favorite songs of the week, if you will. And it's like a lot of those gelatos and the sherbs and a lot of that stuff. And out here, as you know, it's just traditionally been sours and chems and You know, and I really appreciate a lot of that. The Rosetta specifically from Rick was actually really great.

1:56:16Collin PalmerUptown Funk was really great on the plant, but didn't translate so well through the process. C99 was another one that I felt like had that grapefruit funk to it that kind of had Ecuadorial, a little bit of that... Yeah, the super silver haze is one that I used to grow a ton of, man. That was like my classic.

1:56:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's another one historically.

1:56:39Collin PalmerI don't know, Sam, maybe Sam has some more, you know, maybe from the perspective.

1:56:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe super silver haze around here, you know, finishes pretty early. Like people grow it outdoors here in British Columbia. So I'm imagining it's some hybrid version of it. I don't know if there's any thoughts on that, but I'll also say Arzelli's gift is, Was, you know, has the Jack Carrere mother clone from Eugene, which is the Jack Carrere's got haze in it, right?

1:57:07SpeakerI mean, that's this one right here.

1:57:09Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineJack Carrere's got haze and skunk.

1:57:11SpeakerI wish I could share this with you guys. It's unbelievable.

1:57:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then the Zellies gift has super lemon haze that we got from Hawaii, from the North Shore of Kauai. So the Zellies gift has a nice batch of super lemon haze and original haze from Jack and then also the lemons and the terpenylenes and stuff. But it is a greasy... Plants still.

1:57:35SpeakerBut a bunch of people are washing it down in San Francisco and they're saying that it's their most favorite sort of creamy.

1:57:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd also it's mixed with the af goo. So now we've got the goo in there. I mean, not now. It's been forever. It's our oldest one. But anyway, I just like how the goo mixed with the lemony hazes and it makes really good hash. You got to get you some seeds.

1:58:02Etienne FontanWe're seeing a popularity here in the Bay Area of the cake varieties and cereal milks, apparently. Those are apparently really popular between the wedding cake, birthday cake. We're still seeing the hazes, lemon jack, gelatos. You know, those are still, you know, the prevalence, the kush, the diesels. But yeah, the cereal, the cereal milk and the cake varietals seem to be the latest flavor du jours.

1:58:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat about the orangeade and the those kind of there's some pretty good cream circles and stuff going on still.

1:58:43Etienne FontanOh, yeah, they're coming through as well. But I'm just again, the popularity with the consumers, they seem to be what they seem to be gravitating toward. It's always fascinating as a cannabis social, you know, sociologists have always been fascinated by the trends as they've come through. And as you know, such as when we won the cannabis cup for, you know, you know, Girl Scout cookies, you know, then everything was cookies.

1:59:10Etienne FontanSo it's just always fascinating to watch the different flows of Thank you for joining us.

1:59:45Etienne FontanYou know, so now we have actually dispensaries and, you know, varietals that are going out via metric. But, you know, metrics, one thing is another thing to see what the trends people are going by, what's getting them high, what phenotypes are, you know, actually triggering people right now through the populace. It's I don't know. Do you all find it as fascinating as me? I just, you know, always find it kind of neat.

2:00:09Dr Mark ScialdoneUniquely human, right?

2:00:11SpeakerHalf of it is genetics and the other half is just names. In other words, if you don't have any Jack Harar because that's what you want, well, some unscrupulous dealers have been known to call whatever they got Jack Harar.

2:00:31Etienne FontanOh, that's a thing. And that's the also the very interesting thing about this year's Emerald Cup is that they're doing it by terpene profile, not by names, because we've got terroir, you know, depending on the name of the genetic, et cetera, et cetera. So by actually going with these profiles, I think it's going to be a new dimension, a new dementia. But I think it's rather fascinating than just, you know, the standard names that are out there.

2:00:58SpeakerYep, now I guess we just have to worry about varieties from seed that have multiple phenotypes in them with different terpene profiles.

2:01:08Collin PalmerThat's true, man. There's a lot of that going on.

2:01:14SpeakerIt's really awesome that, you know, people have The knowing of the general public and those different flavors, I find it totally fascinating, ATN. And it's really different than the legacy market or the traditional market, you know, where you were just selling pounds and it was just decided upon, you know, the buyer and the buyer maybe and his or her likes and maybe that was it or what they felt like if they could sell to their next big buyer.

2:01:40SpeakerSo it wasn't at all about consumers. So I just am so fascinated with what consumers are interested in. And it's interesting too, if you study terpenes, which I do in Ayurvedic medicine and sort of ancient essences and flower essences, sort of the signs of the time. And maybe what's going on in the world or even seasonally, what people are more drawn to, you know, are they drawn to more brighter, you know, terpene notes in the wintertime and more earthy tones when it's super hot and sunny out.

2:02:15SpeakerI just think that that's just like incredibly fascinating. And I think it would be really fun to track in a wider experiment at some time.

2:02:26Collin PalmerHey, Josh, one thing I wanted to add on the haze that you mentioned AFGUI is, Brian, I had really good luck with the AFGUI times old Mendo haze. I got a bunch of stuff from GUI breeders that he released, I guess, last year or something like that, or maybe a year before. And I had really good luck with that particular variety. I think it really leaned on both the mom and dad there and gave, you know, a nice yield and really gave that, you know, that Hayes vibe.

2:02:58Collin PalmerBut I'm not really, I don't really know where old Mendo Hayes comes from. I don't know if Josh, Kelly, or even Sam, if you know what that is. But it seemed to actually produce well. And then Blackjack has been historically one that not the best yield, but it peters on, you know, it's so it can be so great if you grow it really well that I really think, you know, the Black Domina in that one and the Jack Herrera really kind of equally kind of throw out the parent stock.

2:03:27Collin PalmerIt's kind of cool.

2:03:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe black part of that Blackberry Kush.

2:03:33Collin PalmerNo, so I think Black Jack is the Black Domina. Oh, the Black Jack. And then it's times to the Jack Herrera. I don't know which way it was. It was created. I'm not sure.

2:03:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOur biggest excitement this year with Jack is the Rainbow Jack that we got from Heart Rock Mountain. So big up Daniel to Heart Rock Mountain and all the We've got a lot of work that they're doing on breeding as well as everyone else. But the Rainbow Jack was really beautiful. It was a...

2:04:03SpeakerIncredible.

2:04:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicinePurple Urkel, I believe, and I could be corrected on this. I think it's a granddaddy purple Urkel Jack. And it was a really just a vigorous plant. It had like the... Crazy thick leaves and the purple stock, but with red stripes up it. So it's like purple with red. And then when the leaves came out, it was like, you know, where the leaf hits the stem, there's like a hand, you know, where the veins pop out.

2:04:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAll of those were bright red. Bright red underneath with a totally green leaf. Really beautiful. Really beautiful. We had a lot of cross. We did a lot of crosses with that this year.

2:04:49Collin PalmerThat's amazing. Talking about the blackberry, I do remember when blackberry came out kind of like a pop culture phenomenon. It was just so unbelievable. I'd never seen that electric purple. I'd seen some purple, but that was a very special purple at the time.

2:05:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I'm pretty sure the pinkelberry from Green Source Gardens has some of the blackberry cush in there. And it's an early finisher, right? So a lot of people use the blackberry cush as their early part of their genetics. And we were just working with some here from Jordan of the Islands. They had a, what was it, the... Black Dosey Dough. So it was a Blackberry Kush Dosey Dough.

2:05:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBlack Dough Lotto. It was a Black Dosey Dough Gelato. That's what it was. Anyway, it was really beautiful. And it kind of did have that bready, Sort of not cake because a cake is its own thing, but it had that kind of sweet, I guess it's like a dessert ganja, you know, you'd almost say.

2:05:55SpeakerI can definitely say that back in the day, the Blackberry Kush was the most sought after varietal. So I'm going back to maybe 92.

2:06:10SpeakerNo, a little bit later than that, 95 maybe. And the Blackberry Kush, it was like the most sought after, the highest price per pound, the one that had like all of the different colors and all of the different smells. And it was really cool because oddly enough, we would get a whole crop of that from an all-women... Thank you so much.

2:06:52SpeakerIt's pretty exciting.

2:06:53Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI would also say that there's a lot of success out there with our lemon meringue homesteader, our lemon homesteader that we've been doing. Tara Lee, big up to you. She's been out there making some really beautiful hashes with our lemon meringue homesteader as well. And also this tire fire. So, I mean, the skunks are amazing. You know, Duke Diamond, incredible with the Dominion Seed Company and all of the The fire, I don't, I don't think the tire fire is from Duke, but we've just gotten so much, the CIS skunk and the SSC skunk, the SSC skunk, a lot of masks.

2:07:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDo you have the mass super skunk going on out there at all or?

2:07:36Collin PalmerYeah, so I have, so I have what's known as the mass super skunk and there's a lot of controversy behind where that came from, how that came about. You know, I've had that one for a while and I know Bodie was working with it and he's kind of feeling the same way where it's a beautiful variety, but there's it feels like just a really great selection of super skunk to me that maybe has just been passed around the region of New England, New York and Pennsylvania and the DMV area as well, because I know Duke Diamond's worked with it a bit.

2:08:13Collin PalmerBut it's that's what it feels like to me. It's very garlicky, but very skunky, has a very skunky vibe to it. It's really great. I mean, I don't want to just take anything away from it, but there is a lot of I'm sure there's people in the chat that are probably want to chime in on where it came from. But it's it's a really great variety and it's the backbone of a lot of things that we know of.

2:08:36Collin PalmerIt's said to be You know, one of the pieces of sour diesel, you know, it's definitely a unique one, you know, and it is a little unstable at times. You have to be very careful.

2:08:52SpeakerI just wanted to let everyone know I'm actually stepping away. Can you guys hear me?

2:08:59Etienne FontanWe can.

2:09:00SpeakerOkay, great. Yeah. Colin said he was going to help run the show, so you guys can go for however long the flow takes you, but My son Tanner has been like anxiously awaiting me so patiently for the last what seems like about two or three hours now. So I got to go hang out. I can hear him at my door. He's coming. You ready to hang out, buddy?

2:09:20SpeakerYeah, buddy. Go be dad.

2:09:23Etienne FontanWe love you. We appreciate you. And thank you for giving us this platform.

2:09:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat was a really nice show in Whistler, Marcus, that you showed us in the trees. So have fun with it.

2:09:32Collin PalmerHave fun. Yeah, that's important.

2:09:35SpeakerThanks, everybody.

2:09:37Collin PalmerYeah, thank you, Marcus. So, yeah, we'll keep calling.

2:09:40SpeakerJust text me when you want it turned off, Colin. Peace out.

2:09:43Collin PalmerAll right, I will. Thank you, Marcus. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, brother. So, yeah, I have a question for you guys. Maybe Josh and Kelly can answer it. What are you guys finding in your region that really is... Little effort with, you know, pest management and, you know, just, you know, general environmental things. Are you guys finding some certain varieties or things that you're gravitating more towards over the years?

2:10:12Collin PalmerOr are you guys still fresh on like we're still trying stuff? Or you guys have any kind of things that you guys look for?

2:10:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I wanted to invite Kaya on here maybe next time, you know, from Pacific Northwest Roots. His Alien OG crosses that he made with the coffee. The coffee's been really good to us. Green Source has done really good with it down in Southern Oregon. And it was one of, One of the varieties that I can think of just right off the top of my head that did really unbelievable and just zero issues and incredible flavors, really bright alien flavors.

2:10:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, maybe it's an alien thing. Some of the other alien varieties we've had.

2:10:58SpeakerI think it might be an alien thing for sure. And I think what Josh is talking about too is what we notice is that it's our varietals that do like totally amazing things. You know, year after year. So we'll bring in a certain percentage of other varietals, you know, and it really only may be only two to 3% of those ones that we bring will be vigorous that will carry on and maybe bring into our lineage and breed.

2:11:24SpeakerAnd I think that those alien We're definitely really good. But for us, I think what is the most vigorous are those is our mothership AFGU. What Josh was saying before is sort of that original. It's a real Afghan sort of father. It's super rich. It's incredibly vigorous. It has Candy cane stripes of purple up it and the leaf pattern is specific, you know, to what we know and what we're looking for.

2:12:05SpeakerIt seems to do well. Anything that we crawl into, it's more resistant things, and it has just a lot of co-counts. So that's another thing.

2:12:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSorry, we're on a liquid lens, so we've got to go to the bathroom. Add the glazed cherries that we've brought into our world. It's been really amazing.

2:12:27SpeakerYeah. So resistant. Totally amazing. And what I can say is that the terpene profiles that don't work with us are definitely any of the oranges or the tangy or, you know, we've got a gorgeous African orange. Well, it's a gorgeous flower, but I'm working so hard at it for any type of pest management because For some reason, we're in a non-agricultural area. We only grow by seeds.

2:12:59SpeakerThere's nothing around us, but we have, you know, hemp aphids. We have bong aphids that continue to come back and we're really watching closely and have been for many, many years on what terpene profiles that they're most interested in. And so we're really trying to stay away from those terpene profiles, even though They're really amazing. And we grow them anyway. And, you know, we just work at it.

2:13:26SpeakerSo that was long winded.

2:13:30Collin PalmerNo, that's awesome. That's super cool. So Skunk Man, you know, you've grown more cannabis than anyone in this room combined. What over the years have you seen From your experience for Dry Sift, that's like something that you'd be, you know, I know Skunk One's been the main squeeze as it's proven to be for a lot of the things that I've made. I've come to found out that there's Skunk One in everything that I've done.

2:13:59Collin PalmerYou know, is there, is that, you know, Skunk One to me is really interesting because it embodies such a hybrid, you know, what do you think, you know, attributes to that stuff?

2:14:13SpeakerWell, probably what I liked best about skunk number one for dry sifting is once you dried and aged and cured the buds for a couple of months, so that the resin is more like a raisin rather than a wet, gooey grape.

2:14:45SpeakerSkunk is very easy to work with. Because I mean, what you need is number one, a lot of dried plant material for dry sifting I'm talking about. And then number two, what you need is you have to have a lot of it so that you can experiment and understand All the different techniques and what it means to do it. It's kind of like Johnny does. He sits up there and tries to find new cool things to do constantly.

2:15:23SpeakerBut I don't have true favorites. I mean, probably Haze and Skunk is two that I love the best. But I mean, whatever appeals to any one individual is good for them. And any terpene profile can be appealing to different people.

2:15:52SpeakerI've seen stuff that made me gag, but other people thought it had sort of an appealing smell. So what is reality?

2:16:04Etienne FontanSam, you mentioned skunk and haze. Did you ever breed those together?

2:16:08SpeakerOh, yeah. All the time. And, uh, I made Skunk x Haze and Haze x Skunk. I made them both. They're both very similar and very wonderful. You can get ones that are almost hazy looking and smelling and tasting and effects but with a lot more muscle to them, meaning A bigger plant with bigger buds, more skunky rather than hazy. But also too, I did varieties with like some Thais that I had brought back from Thailand and they were times, it was called funk.

2:16:55SpeakerIt was Thai Hay Skunk. And let me tell you, I've seen people who still have those other plants and just swear by them. So, I mean, I've created hundreds of varieties and I just hope that somebody enjoyed them because my focus was primarily recreational. Even though we did a lot of medical work first, We were really trying to understand cannabis as deep as possible so that we could make better herb and resin for the folks.

2:17:37SpeakerOr allow them to make their own.

2:17:41Collin PalmerYeah, and you definitely touched everyone with all your work. I mean, I love the contrast with Josh and Kelly. You guys are selecting for your region for what works for you guys. And Sam, you've been in a lot of different regions and different scenarios as well. It's cool. I'm in a situation where I'm in all these different environments and I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

2:18:08Collin PalmerBecause it's like, you know, we have the regulated side, then we have the personal side. And, you know, they're sometimes very separate spaces, you know, when you want to breed towards selective things that don't really, aren't towards the end of like a, you know, an eight table room, that's 2,500 square feet or a field, you know, that's gonna end up in someone's bowl. So, you know, it's cool to hear the contrast.

2:18:36SpeakerI remember growing imported seeds from Afghanistan. I did this many different times from many different imports of seeds from Afghanistan. Because after I went there when I was very young, it wasn't really possible to go to Afghanistan safely. Maybe a few people have done it recently, but yeah, I mean, if they want to kidnap a foreigner, And Holden for Ransom or something. That's not a vacation.

2:19:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's some good traveling going on. Ear Razzing online on IG has been doing some incredible travels. You know, a good amount of people involved in their Himalayan connection online. Just been doing some really, you know, amazing travels and collecting a lot of strains. I forget, Baba. There's a woman, Hemphati, Hemphati, she's been- Josh, did you know that-

2:19:41SpeakerTechnically, it's illegal to go to a third world country and collect their genetics and bring them back to America. You have to now do it. There's United Nations biodiversity laws against doing that now.

2:19:59Etienne FontanSam, we have a question from the group. Do you have any information about the mid-late 70s Fallbrook redhair?

2:20:10SpeakerNo, I mean, but I don't know who's growing in Fallbrook in the 70s. That was out near the avocado growers. I imagine a lot of different people. And I'm not sure what the red hair was. I wasn't down there in the 70s. I was up in Central California on the coast. But Yeah, Fallbrook was one of the first places where they were able to successfully grow later season sativas outdoor.

2:20:49Etienne FontanThe other question is, did you work with the SSSC seed bank?

2:20:54SpeakerI gave them most of my, well, they bought most of my varieties. You know, around the same time as Neville. So that was to been like 85, 86, 87. They got skunk haze and a dozen other varieties that I had.

2:21:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDid Greg McAllister have strains in there too at the time?

2:21:20SpeakerWell, Greg had his strains being sold by...

2:21:27SpeakerNeville at Cannabis Castle, but I'm not so sure about SSLC. I never saw his strange sunset in there, but maybe he did, and I just wasn't paying attention.

2:21:41Johnny BHey, Sam, I'm curious, who did the Northern Light number five, Skunk Haze 91? Okay, but what about it? I don't know where it came from. It's just a bag seed that I had marked on a bag. And I actually got my mail from that 12 years ago that I played with. And I'm just curious. I'm just trying to find where that seed bank came from or who actually created that line.

2:22:08SpeakerSay it again.

2:22:09Johnny BNorthern Light No. 5 Skunk Haze, I think.

2:22:14SpeakerYeah, well, I was behind most of the skunk hazes. I didn't, I didn't hardly work with Northern Lights at all. So, but somebody probably got a skunk haze, either me or via via me, and then CrossFit Times Northern Lights himself. And what he got would have been something a bit like Silver Haze.

2:22:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Mr. Bob Heb Hill in Northern California and Darcy there, that family, crickets and cicada seeds, amazing family. They've got a lot of those original, probably one of the largest collections of original mother clones and mother plants and stuff. One of the interesting varieties I got from them on this thread is the 88 crazy red-haired interesting variety. And it made a flower that was probably unlike any other flower that we've had on our property before, which was super fat.

2:23:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAri, no like sun leaves to trim off or anything. Weird orange long hairs and really kind of airy, dense with crystals, but not solid. So it was like, it was hard to explain, but that.

2:23:40SpeakerAll crystals, no carbon.

2:23:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOh yeah, Kelly's saying all crystal, no carbon. So anyway, the ADH G13 hash plant, super good. Crickets and cicada seeds, Mr. Bob Hemp, he'll check them out.

2:23:54Etienne FontanDid you have anything to do with the Friesland, F-R-I-E-S-L-A-N-D, Sam?

2:24:01SpeakerWell, Friesland was one of the varieties along with Purple Pars, which was popular here in the Netherlands when I first visited in 1984. And it's still grown a little bit, but it wasn't...

2:24:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSorry, we do still, actually, from Maine. We got it at the regenerative conference. It's a GG4 Friesland Cross, and we also have a Friesland Cross, and I forget the breeder's name.

2:24:35SpeakerWait, wait, you're saying it's GG4 times Friesland Cross, so that's Gorilla Glue, yes?

2:24:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDefinitely is. I'm saying we have more than one seed like packet of it. One of them is all Friesland. The other one is him trying to work it into the GG4 and make it finish early. So am I right to say the Friesland finishes early?

2:24:57SpeakerYeah, Friesland finishes fairly early. It's just not really high in THC or crystals. But, you know, it's what people were using here in Holland outdoors. All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:25:39SpeakerI really, really wanted plants that were, you know, the elite version of whatever archetype they are, if it was Mexican or Colombian or Thai or whatever. And the Friesland, to me, yeah, it was what I used to call rope-a-dope. Yeah, it had THC, but it wasn't screaming high. Now, I'm not saying that all Frieslands are that way, but the vast majority, because I got them from many different Dutch sources, and I took samples from their plants, and none of them were screaming high in THC.

2:26:29SpeakerI'm not sure if I ever saw one more than 10%, but whatever. And I didn't particularly like the taste or the smell or the aroma or the effects screaming high. So yeah, it just felt a bit of a wayside for me.

2:26:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo is Friesland part of Ukraine? Is that a Ukraine region?

2:26:52SpeakerNo, Friesland is in the Netherlands. It's up in the North. In the Netherlands? Yes.

2:26:59Collin PalmerYou can still get some Friesland seeds from the Real Seed Co.

2:27:02SpeakerThey're still offering. There you go. If it's anything like it was, I have no idea.

2:27:09Collin PalmerI have some of the seeds. I haven't had a chance to go through them.

2:27:13SpeakerThey were also sold by Lowland Seed Company, one of the early Dutch ones, and Dr. Veed, the...

2:27:26SpeakerA woman who sold seeds in the Netherlands in the mid 80s.

2:27:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I remember the name of the seed bank was the Clone Only Seed Bank. And that was his big, like funny name.

2:27:43SpeakerI don't get it. Will you explain it to me?

2:27:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'll let him explain it to you. But the clone only seed bank is in Maine and he's a really awesome guy. So we got those Friesland. We really liked the cross with the GG for this time. So it was something that we were going to continue with and we got seeds from it and it did add a nice flavor to it. And maybe on its own, the Friesland like F2 or whatever that we got the double Friesland cross with.

2:28:17SpeakerYou're freezing up.

2:28:19Collin PalmerI think we lost him.

2:28:21SpeakerI have another question for Sam.

2:28:24Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, you know, obviously we go for the turf.

2:28:34Etienne FontanHey, Sam, I have a question from, again, from the chat. I'm going to say this probably terribly wrong. Have you grown the Zihuatanejo purple while in California in the 70s? Z-I-H-U-A-T. Zihuatanejo. There you go.

2:28:52SpeakerYeah, yeah, I'm familiar with Zuatanejo Purple, yes. It's a Mexican variety, which I think is gone now because all the Mexican land races got hybridized with Northern American varieties that smugglers and do-gooders took down there to where there are no pure Mexican land races anymore, including Zuatanejo Purple. Purple or Acapulco gold is probably now, probably got Thai blood in it or Lao blood, who knows?

2:29:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe really enjoyed our Acapulco gold that we grew out from Bodhi seeds. It was definitely, you know, looked a lot like a wild, you know, varietal. And I do understand totally what you're saying. You know, it's hard. Hard to get that. We just recently got given seeds from Columbia in the 70s. Or was it early 70s? Yeah, we got like super old seeds. So we're waiting on how to propagate those proper and we might do that this spring.

2:29:59Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut Yeah, every once in a while a person comes out of the woodworks with old seeds and stuff from Afghanistan and even out of Mexico. But it is extremely rare. But I do like the Acapulco gold flavor and that lemony flavor. And we just smoked some Congo. You know, there's a lot of, you know, the interesting Congo strains that are going around. And that's also got a nice, I felt like a similar flavor to the Acapulco gold.

2:30:26Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut I don't know if anyone has any thoughts on that. We have to duck out. Our internet's going out and it's, you know, just a beautiful day. So I thank you so much for your time, everyone. We love you. See you guys. Keep growing.

2:30:40Wade LasterBlessings.

2:30:42Collin PalmerBye, Josh.

2:30:44Johnny BBye, Kelly. Hash strains, isn't that what we're all chasing? Those strains that make that epic hash?

2:30:53SpeakerSo, it's... What we have to do is we have to breed hashish varieties that have resin the size of grapes. So you can just freeze it so it's rock hard, shake it, and, you know, a single resin will fill... Many pipes.

2:31:20Etienne FontanI want it. I crave it. Come on, you botanists, you crazy botanists out there.

2:31:27Dr Mark ScialdoneI'm going to jump too, folks. Have a great Super Bowl. Keep smiling. We'll see you next week.

2:31:33Etienne FontanYou mean the superb owl, right?

2:31:35Dr Mark ScialdoneJoin us on Clubhouse. Talk to you next week.

2:31:43Collin PalmerYeah, I find, you know, the varietals that work for me have obviously the largest heads, but it also depends on what you're trying to do with the material. If you're trying to get full melt heads, then, you know, you're going to want to be really gentle and you need those larger heads. If you're going to try to make, you know, an edible or a tincture, you could probably wash for a really long time and get a much larger yield and knock some of those heads that otherwise would never come off.

2:32:12Etienne FontanI was just imagining what those actual plants would look like that actually have great size. Can you imagine the size of an actual plant?

2:32:22Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, come on, Sam, we got to get you out of retirement, man.

2:32:28SpeakerWell, I have the vision. I just don't have the willpower anymore.

2:32:35Etienne FontanI was told that one of those old wives tales you hear in your smoking circles is that you can accomplish that if there's a particular growth cycle during the plant and you graft them together at this particular day in the growth cycle, then you could actually double the THC of your plant. I was like, good luck with that.

2:32:58SpeakerI wish them all the best. They're going to need help, though.

2:33:03Collin PalmerYeah, a lot.

2:33:08Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, Oregon CBD is doing things at scale. I'd love to see what they do with drug cultivars if they start doing more with that.

2:33:19Collin PalmerThey've had some breakthroughs in terms of the things that they've been breeding, at least on the hemp side. Basically, a lot of the work you've been doing, Sam, I mean, single cannabinoid

2:33:33SpeakerYou know, CVT, bridal. Seth is a friend. He invited me several times up to visit them up in Oregon. But the whole COVID thing is sort of, I would have already been up there to see what they're up to. But yeah, no, I think it's great that people are picking up ideas that I first exploited 20 years ago and running further with them. I think it's wonderful.

2:34:06SpeakerI stood on the back of giants and if they want to put one foot up on one of my shoulders, I'm happy that they're doing it.

2:34:17Etienne FontanHey, Sam. So, you know, you've made more than your share of mistakes going through and doing this and as well as your successes. What would you tell these people to avoid doing so that they could save themselves a little bit of time and mistakes along the way?

2:34:36SpeakerWell, it might be as simple as don't do things that don't feel right in your heart. I mean, really go after your dreams. Don't, you know, do stuff you don't want to do. It's really almost that simple. Do what feels right. I know that you've had to listen to that. And I'm sure you've had many offers of nefarious individuals trying to suck you into their black hole.

2:35:11SpeakerBut, you know, it's just because it's an easy way to make money doesn't mean it's a good thing.

2:35:21Etienne FontanOh, yeah. And being that litmus of integrity as well as honesty is why we have to educate ourselves as best as possible so that we can know the bullshit so we can see through it so we can call it out, which I know you do so effectively because you know from the experience that you've been through and done so.

2:35:49SpeakerI hardly have an answer. Yeah, I mean, anybody who's been in this business very long has seen double dealing, bullshit talking, you know, people. It's the nature of the game. It's kind of like a candle and all the moths are drawn to it, both good and bad moths. But there's lots of moths out there.

2:36:17Etienne FontanOh yeah, I have had the DEA actually serve me a warrant at my dispensary.

2:36:24Etienne FontanDon't recommend it. It's not very fun, but you know, that's, you know, when you're, when you're doing this, it's going to, you're going to get all kinds.

2:36:35Collin PalmerYeah, true story. Well said, Sam.

2:36:39Johnny BVery well said.

2:36:44Johnny BI think my plants are calling for me and, uh, I'd love to talk to you, Sam, about light, about LEDs, about HPS lighting and just the new technology that is really changing the game in the gardens that we're seeing. And any thoughts on that?

2:37:05SpeakerI have a question. People who use LED lights. Do they find that they're better for veg? Because I've seen veg use and I agree, they're dynamite. But for flowering, do people think that they're truly the best source or just cheaper or better light lumens or not lumens, wavelengths? Who really thinks that LEDs are better than other systems and they have the experience to know the difference?

2:37:48Etienne FontanI will raise my hand here because my company is using fluent LEDs in Nevada. I have grown in various lights, et cetera. It is definitely cheaper. It was definitely, it had its own overall cost. But due to heat issues that you have being in Nevada, especially during the spring to fall, heat's a huge issue for us. So we've been able to supply our demand and we've been in action for a few years, but we're not huge, we're not large, and it works for us.

2:38:29Etienne FontanThe initial thought was to be able to stack And have more lights inside, which is why we went LEDs there. But again, just due to availability of size, we can't grow outdoors in Nevada in the desert. It's just impossible. Whereas here in Central Valley in California, that's different. For us, it was a it was multiple decisions in arriving at that. And I've went and I also toured multiple facilities, including up in Alaska.

2:39:02Etienne FontanI saw multiple growers and I've been in multiple gardens and they use fluent lights, which is why I decided to go with them. In the end, they seem to to work as well as I have not, I don't have a facility built out currently in Nevada, Sam, so I can say, you know, here's, you know, Metal Highlight or HPS versus MyFluence. I started there because I had to make a decision because of the factory that's there, and it has been beneficial and has been working for us.

2:39:36SpeakerDo you see any differences in yield or quality?

2:39:42Etienne FontanI could probably get a better yield and a little better quality is my assumption if I had different lights, but we've been very pleased and happy with the product and the flowers that have been coming forward. But again, that's just my own previous growing experience from working with Ed Rosenthal and others because I All of those grew under various lights in very different experimental situations from growing in socks to growing in soilless to growing in soil to living soil versus potted soil.

2:40:13Etienne FontanSo I have a bit of experience, but again, here it was hydroponic and Mark Benthien, CFO Alphabet and Google, CFO Alphabet and Google

2:40:42SpeakerAll of those settings. I actually had a facility where we had LED in two rooms.

2:40:49Collin PalmerWe had a mixed spectrum in a room and then the rest were all, all

2:41:04Collin PalmerAaron Ward, HPS. And I've found that certain varieties performed better under certain light light spectrums and certain light intensities and also daily light intervals. But, you know, I was getting, you know, in terms of sheer yield, like I was still hitting, we like, we ended up hitting around three pounds per light on LEDs, so. It performs, you know, and the resin's really good because you can really dial it in.

2:41:31Collin PalmerBut I think it goes back to what type of light you're using and how well that's built and All right, thanks for joining us today.

2:41:58Collin PalmerAll right. Thank you. Thank you.

2:42:18Collin PalmerIt has a lot to do with your growing style. It has a lot to do with the varietal that you're growing with. And then, of course, your environmental controls. But they're really awesome, Sam. I think the resin is impressive.

2:42:33Johnny BYeah, I was going to say, I've been looking at the LED lights now for over a year. I started growing with LED lights with Spectrum King LED in the very beginning, and I saw that difference right away with resin for first bounce. That's why I really like LEDs was just specifically for the resin. But as I really started looking at all the different spectrums, and like I say now, it's kind of like, what car do you want to drive and where are you going to park it?

2:42:55Johnny BBecause there's 256 LED companies that are DLC listed as of last week. So this is like the next green rush for the cannabis industry. Really, it is LEDs. A for one, they're more efficient. They're growing better resin. We're getting better air control because we're not dumping with AC units and And all this, but there is definitely a big rush with LEDs and I'm kind of looking more towards those, you know, those 16, 18 weeks of Tevas and what spectrum they're growing under and seeing what they can do with that with LEDs.

2:43:28Johnny BBut with the far red, that's what I've been testing with the alias LED. I think everybody's been seeing my Instagram, what I've been doing. I've seen such a, it's probably the best crop I've ever grown right now is growing with LEDs and really learning VPD, PPFD, DLI, dialing in those numbers. And wow, I'm just seeing. Johnny, do you ever grow with sunshine? I have, but you know what?

2:43:59Johnny BBack in the days, I used to do a lot of little gardening because that's how we used to do everything was out in the bushes, like, oh, sir, here and there, like where I used to live. And those are always like the blueberries. Or a greenhouse with sunshine. Not a greenhouse, me specifically. I've been growing indoors for 15, 20 years, probably 15 years.

2:44:23SpeakerThe sun is an amazing source of light.

2:44:29Johnny BYeah, but nothing finishes here in my backyard that well just because of the Pacific Northwest. I've always had problems with the outdoors. Definitely seeing the difference between going from HPS to LEDs was a difference. And recently, I was at a place where someone was vegging with a Gevita Dual-N, and beside that, they had an LED light. And directly underneath the plants, directly underneath the Dual-N Gevita were actually stretching towards the LED light.

2:44:56Johnny BSo I was just smiling because I was like, that's just, that's the difference that we're seeing right now. And outdoor resin I like, but indoor resin has always been my go-to just because of where I am in the world.

2:45:12SpeakerBut the way you can use a greenhouse in Canada is with a darkening system. That way you use the sun, but you darken it and you can finish your crop before it gets too cold.

2:45:27Johnny BYeah, I was just recently was just at a greenhouse in Roberts Creek that was state of the art and I was out testing their lights and they had these lights from NASA.

2:45:36SpeakerDid it have a darkening system?

2:45:38Johnny BIt had a whole darkening system on the inside.

2:45:40SpeakerOh, that's what you need. You try one of those and you might really like it.

2:45:46Johnny BYeah, I'm definitely going up there and looking at this over the next like year. Like I'm, I mean, I'll be going up every month, every couple of weeks to look at this greenhouse, all living soils. I stepped on the Betty Freak. I was like, what are you doing? That's all living. So I can't wait to see what they're growing there and they're going to be growing sativas.

2:46:04Johnny BSo I'm really looking forward to seeing outdoor grown, properly run strains.

2:46:12Etienne FontanYeah, I've seen amazing stuff here in Northern California. I've grown outdoors in Southern California and Northern California. Both great environments. Phenomenal, of course. Southern California, I got hit with those damn moths that lay these little caterpillars way at the base of your plant. And I was sitting on my deck one day and I was like, why is my top bud moving around? And all of a sudden, out pops a little caterpillar head.

2:46:39Etienne FontanI was like, oh, yeah, right. That's the problem with outdoors. Damn it.

2:46:45Collin PalmerYeah, I think the light depth's come a long way, man. I'm working on a hybrid greenhouse that incorporates pretty much everything for a year-round setting and some really tight air exchanges for going through HEPA filters. And I really love where things are headed with greenhouse in the capabilities for what we're trying to do, at least. It's a, it feels like it's come a long way. And I mean, Sam, I don't, you know, at the same time, it feels like not much has changed, but, you know, I think the systems themselves are amazing.

2:47:20Collin PalmerLike it's, it's pretty incredible what's out there right now between GGS and next, next systems.

2:47:25SpeakerAnd I, I, I go to the agricultural greenhouse show here in the Netherlands every year. It's the world's biggest. Yeah. And, uh, But this year they canceled it because of COVID. But I see all the latest state of the art stuff and cannabis growers openly sell and advertise there now because it's accepted, it's legal for medical uses, at least in most countries. So the world is changing step by step.

2:48:03Collin PalmerYeah, yeah, we just need fertigation to catch up so we can get away from the cut flower industry. Still stuck on Venturi systems. So it just drives me crazy because we want to be efficient, but we also want to use inputs that go beyond the capabilities of these systems. And it becomes difficult, especially when you want to use organic inputs. It's like nearly impossible. And sometimes, especially drip irrigation, it becomes a battle.

2:48:32Collin PalmerAnd then, you know, malnutrition happens and you're just trying to, you know, it's just the mechanics, you know, it has nothing to do with your skill sets.

2:48:43SpeakerYou can focus on the problems or you can focus on the solutions because I've never seen a problem that, John Lumpkin, John Lumpkin, John Lumpkin, John Lumpkin, John Lumpkin

2:49:14Collin PalmerA very simple setup that's based on pumps that are not these venturias. I think it's a very simple fix. It's just doing it, which I'm in the middle of. So I'll let you know when I get there.

2:49:27Etienne FontanI was about to say, if you don't know what it is, then create it. So then create it. No doubt.

2:49:36Collin PalmerWade, what are you up to with all the things that you're doing? Are you using drip irrigation? How are you guys managing a lot of your stuff?

2:49:46Wade LasterWell, because of the way the California market works, I don't have commercial cannabis activity allowed on my farm. So I have personal use grow, which I'm in the ground and I give them water when they need it. We have abundant, beautiful water here on the property. And I always found when I was working indoors that, yeah, irrigation was an interesting problem to sort out with organic nutrients.

2:50:16Wade LasterIt's really a challenge. It's part of why I really enjoy working outdoors in the sun. And yeah, Sam is totally right. The best light you can get is the sun and it's free. But all of that being said, yeah, I'm still doing what I think of as compassion work. I just last night had a pretty depressing conversation with actually the very first family that I contacted We're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

2:50:47Wade LasterWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about what we're going to talk about today.

2:51:13Wade LasterThat we would try and find some CBG and some, and I'm going to see about getting her set up to be able to juice some fresh cannabis plants to see if that doesn't help him stabilize because of the acid forms that are found in fresh juice. But the real focus of my time these days is about education. I've I've also been involved in a number of other programs.

2:51:40Wade LasterI've also been involved in a number of other programs. I've entered into a contract with a local dispensary and have created an education program for their wellness associates, as I call them, and a whole other line of classes, if you will, for the public.

2:51:58Wade LasterThank you for joining us today.

2:52:23Wade LasterYou've heard me say it before, you know, we talk about legalization here in California. Really what we have is heavily regulated commercialization versus legalization.

2:52:33Etienne FontanOver-regulated.

2:52:35Wade LasterOver-regulated. Thank you, Atjan, of course. Anyway, one of the few benefits of what's happened is the products that are available in dispensaries right now are among the cleanest products. All of these products are free of any contaminants. They are exactly what they say they are in the packaging. Too much packaging. Don't even get me started. But yeah, there's products that are actually really what they say they are available on the shelf for a price.

2:53:01Wade LasterAnd so that's a benefit. And yet most people, most consumers don't really understand how those products work in their bodies and how to use them. How to find the dose that works for them, how to find the product or the way of getting that chemistry into their bodies. So that's, you know, two minutes of.

2:53:23Wade LasterSo far, we've created about 20 hours of video content of conversation, me doing presentations, and just yesterday we had our first live class with we did a Zoom with I think some people showed up. And yeah, it was on the basics of cannabis and a little bit of the history of cannabis use and how it came to be recognized as medicine. And then a little bit of a skim through the endocannabinoid system and how cannabis relates to the ECS.

2:54:00Wade LasterAnd then something about how products work in the body, you know, all of that in 40 minutes.

2:54:09Wade LasterSo there's more to come and I'm really excited about it because our agreement with the dispensary is House of Harlequin owns all this content. And I'm looking forward to the opportunity to create more content and share it with a wider range of folks, because I think there's a real need for people I mean, there's all kinds of information out there about how to grow your own. There's information about how to do extractions and whatnot.

2:54:38Wade LasterAnd there's lots of information for healthcare professionals. You know, if you if you talk the language of research and science, there's a bunch of good information coming increasingly about cannabis. But there's not really much for the consumer, the person who actually doesn't know much about cannabis and would like to maybe explore the potential benefit. So that's what I've been doing lately. And yeah, I'm going to be putting out Once we get this program with the dispenser we're working with now, 2477 in Nevada City is the folks doing that.

2:55:11Wade LasterDaniel Batchelor, good friend. And he came, he's one of the first folks, he was first recommended cannabis by his doctor at the age of 15 up here in Dr. Todd, I think was the first guy who was willing to recommend cannabis for his ADHD. And I'm probably revealing more under HIPAA than I should. But that being said, yeah, Daniel's a great guy. And yeah, he was open to the idea of me continuing to own the content that we're creating.

2:55:42Wade LasterAnd I'm really looking forward to how this is going to play out over the next year or two. Because yeah, there'll be a lot of opportunity there. So that's what I've been up to. And I'm excited about it. You can probably tell.

2:55:59Collin PalmerAmazing. That's awesome. Wade, you've been doing this a long time and I think what you're touching on is what everyone always asks at the retail level at least. They just need to know more from a consumer point of view and You know, there's got to be people like yourselves and all everyone here as well that needs to share this information. It's really cool that you're bringing it to a centralized place.

2:56:28Collin PalmerAnd, you know, it allows people to actually have a place to go and say, hey, I can reference this thing that Wade said and keep going back to it. Because I think sometimes information gets lost in the ether as you get new information. And there's so much new information today that doesn't really have a place, that it sits on these social forums or these social platforms that gets lost.

2:56:50Collin PalmerAnd you really have to dig for them. And providing that home for it's going to be really cool. That's a really noble thing you're doing.

2:56:59Wade LasterWell, you know, we've been talking about Clubhouse here a bit. It's one of the things that my team is asking me to do, and I'm still trying to get my head around it is creating a room to chat about cannabis and the consumer products that are available and how the cannabis chemistry, how it affects our bodies, how it works in our bodies. And one of my

2:57:26Wade LasterOne of my taglines, if you will, is in the context of this conversation, psychoactivity is a side effect of cannabis medicine. It's one that I enjoy very much. And for many people, it's the only reason they use cannabis. But in the fact, in the effects that cannabis can have in our bodies, THC and the, not THC, excuse me, psychoactivity, which isn't one of the effects of THC, is a side effect that can be mitigated by dose, by a method of getting that chemistry into your body, by how frequently you take that preparation, and what the needs of your body are.

2:58:06Wade LasterEtienne pointed out, I think in one of the chat rooms or maybe it was here on HESH Church that every person is unique. Their needs are unique and their response to the cannabis chemistry is unique. So part of it is educating people so they can find the sweet spot for their needs. And the sweet spot for me is where you're finding the benefit you want without it while still being able to go about doing what you want to do in your life.

2:58:33Wade LasterSo. And on that note, yeah, I think I got to be the next person to jump out of this beautiful conversation. I am stunned to have the opportunity to sit with this particular group of people. I, yeah, much respect, much, much respect to each of you. Thank you. So, yeah, that's what I'm doing. Much love to you guys.

2:59:01Collin PalmerIt was a pleasure. Well, I think it is. It's almost three o'clock Eastern Standard Time. I think we should maybe close it down. Appreciate everyone that came out today. ATN, Johnny, Gunkman, of course. Gunkman, thank you. Marcus, thank you for letting me keep it going. Everyone out in... Chat Land. Tune in next week. Keep growing. This has been Bubble Man's Hash Church. Peace. Peace. Thank you, everybody.

2:59:40Wade LasterMay the full melt bless your bowl.

2:59:41Collin PalmerI think we should finish off. Peace, y'all.

2:59:55SpeakerPeace.