Environmental Activism and Cannabis Cultivation

0:01BubblemanAll right, look at that. Here we are going live on YouTube. I'm gonna push the record button. Okay, so there's a few things I'm gonna have to do. I'm gonna have to turn the volume down real quick on this new one. Do a quick copy and paste over to this old one. Get them all organized into the chat and then we'll start this episode. Thanks for your patience, everybody.

0:29BubblemanLet's see if I can fit that in there.

0:32SpeakerAll alone today. Usually there's a few people that agree.

0:51BubblemanLet's see how we do here. Johnny B's texting me, which is perfectly on time. All right, we'll just wait for the friends. I did send out the link yesterday fairly late, so I don't exactly know who is going to be involved. Looks like things are a little, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good. What's up, Magma Seeds, Hermano, Jason S, Boulder. The Underhill. Yes, everyone was in the wrong room as I, for whatever reason, I'm not quite sure how to set it up.

1:23BubblemanSo when I go, when I create the YouTube live video, that it goes live with the actual Zoom video, it creates a new YouTube video. But welcome, Wade. How are you doing this morning? I'm good, Marcus. Oh, good. I don't hear you so far. How about you? I need to put these on. Probably have. See if I can't get these on. Does everyone hear Wade or is it just me?

1:49BubblemanI'm going to go real quick here.

2:07BubblemanNow we're good, Wade. I bet you I can hear you now. I had my speaker set up as my microphone.

2:13WadeYes, I was going to say I couldn't hear you, but I can hear you great now. Thank you.

2:23WadeI had a great time at the Patients Out of Time conference this past week, and Colton Turner was one of the presenters. Remember Colton? Yeah. Yeah.

2:38BubblemanHow was that? Tell me more.

2:41WadeIt was excellent. It was Thursday through Saturday. Thursday was on regulations and obstacles to research. Friday was the latest research. Some pretty amazing papers were presented. And then Saturday was the clinicians. And one of the case presentations was done by Colton about himself.

3:07SpeakerThat's so awesome.

3:08WadeIt was. It was great. Especially at the end, they had this Q&A thing for the faculty that presented. And you got all of these distinguished clinicians, many of whom I know, on the Zoom call. And then there's Colton. It was just really far out, man. I think he'll probably be in that crew one of these days. Good morning, Mark. Of course. Yes.

3:30SpeakerHey, guys. How are you? Mark, it was really weird when I just joined, there was this automated recording that came on saying that this is being recorded. Did you hear that too, Wade? Okay.

3:42BubblemanWell, the reason that is, is because usually, yeah, I, I, usually you guys have been showing up lately and then I go live on YouTube and go recording, but I, I went live and I started recording earlier. I guess that's a legal message to let you know that, Hey, if you don't want to be recorded, don't come into the chat room.

4:02SpeakerYeah, the last little window before you go live says, do you consent to be recorded or something like that? Okay.

4:12WadeWelcome to the big time, Mark.

4:15SpeakerYeah, well, it's like, you know, it can be intimidating for people like Sam, right? Maybe that's why he's not here yet.

4:22WadeHe's like, fuck that, I'm not going to be recorded. I hadn't even thought of that. Wow. Yeah.

4:30SpeakerHow are you guys doing?

4:32WadeI'm really, really well.

4:33BubblemanI'm still farting around with my I just want to make sure that I sound better. They're all bummed out. They're saying it's grainy. This I'm listening to the chat room. Yeah, I just changed my microphone from these ones to to my actual microphone. So that should be better. It won't be quite as bad. Hopefully the connection comes in. I'm actually trying out a new Internet service today.

4:59BubblemanI just set up my Starlink yesterday on the roof there. So it's brand new. It's in beta. So I'm just I do have another Internet to back it up in case I have problems. But for now, this is this is what we're doing. And no, this is not a recording. This is. Yeah, this is live, live with Dr. Mark and with Wade Laughter. We're here in Hash Church.

5:24BubblemanI set the link out really late last night as I've been putting my son to bed for the last month, trying to give my wife a little bit of a break of every single night having to do the same thing. And, you know, sometimes when you work all day, you know, your wife is like, oh, I feel bad. You worked all day. Well, so did you. You also worked all day with kids, which is even harder than working all day at a job.

5:48BubblemanSo for the last 23 days, I've been putting my son to bed and I generally fall asleep with him at around nine o'clock. I can't stay awake when I put him to bed. So, yeah, if it was a little bit of.

6:01SpeakerBut that gets you up at like four in the morning, right?

6:04BubblemanWell, we definitely get up pretty early. I'm not going to lie. I've been up for hours right now. Not quite four, but probably, you know, a little bit, just a little bit after 6 a.m.

6:15SpeakerOnce the birds start singing, especially here in the springtime, it becomes difficult because it's such a great thing to hear birds in the morning. I mean, I love it. But I know with some people who sleep with their windows open, it's just so loud that there's no way you can get back.

6:37BubblemanIt's true. Both in the morning and at dusk. The birds are so loud here at dusk. It's incredible. They're flying around from tree to tree.

6:46SpeakerI'm really right smack in a... Yeah, not that we should propagate conspiracy theories, but there is one that people, I've heard about this from my daughter, who believe that birds aren't real. They believe birds aren't real.

7:08Bryan Best Friend FarmsI've heard, I've heard of this.

7:09SpeakerThere's some kind of alien robots that fly around. Well, this one looks really real.

7:15BubblemanYeah, right. It looks real though. I'm telling you, I know they're not real and all. I don't want to be laughed at or whatnot, but where did that come from? How did we get into that? How did it, I understand all these wild conspiracies, but when did we like, who was like, birds aren't real? Like, where did that one come from?

7:35SpeakerNot an ornithologist for sure. Josh? Hey guys, how's it going? Josh? Can you hear me?

7:45BubblemanI can hear you. It's just we got double Josh there for a quick second.

7:49SpeakerAh, nice. Double Josh Rutherford, nonetheless.

7:54BubblemanAll right. Well, we got Josh Rutherford and then we got Dragonfly Earth Medicines.

7:59SpeakerOh, I thought there's the other one coming too. So we got three Joshes.

8:03BubblemanOh, snap. You guys are the minorities here in the room. How's it going, man? How are you guys doing? A couple of live living soil guys in the house.

8:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm doing really, really good. The farm's looking amazing. We're about ready to get a week of rain and all the plants now that we're in a waxing moon phase are, there's enough heat at night and enough, you know, warmth during the day that the plants are kind of doing their Fibonacci doubling process. So we're getting a lot of growth right now and it's a lot of fun to watch.

8:42BubblemanYeah, I you know, John brought me these monster plants, just just a couple of them, you know, two or three of them the other day. And they've only been on my deck for a couple of days. But I'm saying I'm thinking they've grown about a foot to a foot and a half. These bushes, they were just big round bushes. And now they've got these, you know, these pieces, these giant just coming all off the top.

9:03BubblemanAnd it's I haven't grown in so long. You know, I'm so I envy what you guys do. And I love growing and I love getting my fingers dirty. And I love the whole concept and idea. I just personally have not had a lot of time to do it. So good old Johnny B shows up with some plants and I'm back in the game. And it's fun, right?

9:22BubblemanThere's like this, the nervousness of wanting the plants to be healthy and happy and give them everything they need while just being like, oh, my God, I got to give these plants attention and love and focus. And even three monsters, I'm I really have to make time for it because they, you know, they drink 15 to 20 gallons of water every day. They're thirsty. It's like your son, they have needs.

9:49BubblemanThey have needs. They have needs and their needs must come before my needs.

9:54SpeakerSometimes you fall asleep with them, don't you?

9:57BubblemanAbsolutely, absolutely. I was on my roof yesterday and I was happy to see them poking up above the second roof. I could see them, you know, they've got to be over 10 feet tall right now. So only Johnny B would just bring me three 10 foot tall plants in the back of his truck. And I'm in the meantime, I'm like, please tell me you didn't put those into the truck yourself because he's He's got a disc thing going on right now.

10:22BubblemanHe's got some pretty major pain. He was in and out of the hospital. And I just the last thing I want John to do is destroy himself through kindness. So luckily, he got his neighbors, Mike and Hedy, to put the plants in the In the back of the truck. And I got my 17 year old son, he Tosh, as we call him, to to lift out the to lift out these plants.

10:46BubblemanYou know, Johnny B style. He didn't wait for them to get like dry. He he moved them like fully, fully like 80 plus pounds per per plant. But that's what's great about having a 17-year-old son. For any of you whose son has not reached that age yet, man, you can't imagine how amazing it is when your son just can lift and carry everything. No wonder people back in the day on farms just put their kids to work.

11:14BubblemanI mean, it's funny that we got all into this thing like, oh, they're making kids make shoes and it's like child labor. It's like, have you ever grown up on a farm? Because child labor is how that shit operates.

11:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd in some cases in Ontario, and I've heard this story many times, there's like, you know, women who have 20 kids. I'm sure you've heard that, Marcus. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 20 and 23 children on the farm and stuff. And it's just, it's a true mind blower. Definitely.

11:42BubblemanIt's your crew, right? It's your crew.

11:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI can definitely say Skye's 24 now and he's a complete and total force of nature. And we joke around about being strong because we're really into being strong. But then we have this inner Sasquatch strength that you can like tap into when you really need to go farther than your actual strength. We have a reservoir for that. So just saying, you know, yeah, it's amazing watching your child become stronger than you, better than you, amazing.

12:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd now hit with his, with Sierra on the farm, you know, and Kendall. I mean, we have this amazing, you know, early 20s. We have amazing, you know, small crew that really is amazing the work they can do. So yeah, it's.

12:36BubblemanThat's awesome. I don't doubt that whatsoever that Sky is a force to be reckoned with. 24 years old now too. Hey, that's unbelievable. My daughter just turned 20 and my son will turn 18 in September and my other son will turn seven in August.

12:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's so awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. And, you know, I just feel really blessed. I just feel really blessed to have them around and have them be so charged up about our lifestyle and everything that we're doing. And, you know, it's obviously their calling in life as well. Yeah, so. One thing I just wanted to bring up on the show today, which is not about cannabis, but it is about environments, is I'd love to bring attention to the Ferry Creek watershed and the forestry that's going on over there.

13:34Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's only 2% old growth left in British Columbia, virgin old growth forest left at all. It's on occupied lands, First Nations lands, Ferry Creek Watershed outside of Port Renfro on Vancouver Island. The local government here in BC is the NDP, and they are... We're raising the cutting by 43% of old growth forests, and there's only 2.3% old growth even left in BC. So they're basically out to attack and murder the rest of our intact environment in America, in the United States.

14:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMost all of the old growth is already in protected forests. There's really no old growth to protect in Oregon, California, Washington, or in the rest of America. That's not already in national parks. So in British Columbia, there's still places like the Ferry Creek Watershed and The RCMP are targeting First Nations people, targeting queer First Nations people, targeting elders before their white counterparts, before their white people. And they are putting them in jail.

15:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey're separating them in jail.

15:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's tree sitters. They're the first tree sitters of people that are sitting in trees for over 30 years. There's activist people sitting in trees trying to stop. Loggers are laughing at them. They're stealing their stuff. They're taking down their camps. The RCMP are basically private mercenaries for this For this land occupation and for this type of big business, they're out cutting 1500 year old trees right next to people sitting in trees.

15:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThey're taking Chainsaws to, I don't know if anyone's ever smelt a yellow cedar, but a yellow cedar doesn't actually, doesn't grow in Oregon. It doesn't grow in California, Washington. It's like a Alaska and British Columbia thing. The smell, the incense, like the odor, there's something totally otherworldly about the yellow cedar. And I just really want to activate people to make phone calls to John Horgan's office and to Katrine Conroy and to the BC RCMP and to all other people that they find in their own network, the Teal Jones Group who's doing the cutting and let the people know We're not okay with losing our last intact environments.

16:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOnce these trees are logged, they'll never be replaced. These environments will never be replaced. They're 14 and 18 feet across, which are really, really big for cedars, where Craig is down in the Redwoods and over in the Sierra Nevadas with the sequoias. There's trees up here that rival those redwoods. There's 300 foot tall cedars in this forest that's being ready to get cut, which are among the tallest trees in the world like the redwoods.

17:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo it's all I can think about right now. I feel extremely passionate as well as my family. Right now in British Columbia, Wood prices are through the roof. So everywhere you go in the forest right now, you're hearing chainsaws and trees falling. It's like a genocide on cedar trees. The cedar trees are so valuable right now that All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

17:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're going to talk a little bit about what we're going to talk about today.

18:02Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicine230 million cubic feet of raw log exports a year coming out of British Columbia. We're talking about massive ships with just raw logs thrown on them. So am I talking about no logging?

18:14SpeakerNo, that's not what I'm talking about.

18:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI understand that there's a place for logging and sustainable harvesting, and I know that, and I understand living in wooden houses, and I get that. What we're talking about is logging an intact environment that'll never be replaced. When you talk about beautiful, when you talk about British Columbia, it's beautiful British Columbia or supernatural British Columbia, but the government is sanctioning the destruction of our environment, and it's not okay with us.

18:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I just really want to encourage people to step up and to call, look at our story and make phone calls if you can. If you feel like you have time to make those phone calls, to let the people know that our voices have been heard. Thank you so much for letting me say that. It's really important to me and I appreciate Hash Church. I appreciate the family.

19:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicinePart of our activism is in cannabis. Part of our activism is in psychedelics. And another part of our activism is in saving our lands, because without our lands, there's no health. And just one more time, the RCMP are targeting Indigenous people on their lands.

19:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's the work. It's everything that you read in your history books happening right now in the forest. It's not history. It's present day occupation. Thank you so much.

19:44BubblemanThanks for sharing that, Josh. Definitely pretty fucked up to be thinking about these trees just that take hundreds of years to be produced, to grow into the magnificent I'm a, I've lived on my property for 11 years and I've never cut a tree. I live in a neighborhood where people are obsessed with cutting trees because they want to have a view. And I like trees in my view.

20:18BubblemanI wonder if these people, when they're done with getting rid of all the trees in their view, if we'll also drain the ocean so we can see the bottom better. I don't know. I hope not. But it does seem a little bit mental in my neighborhood today. And I'm happy to say I only noticed this a couple Sundays ago, and it's really not probably that big of a deal.

20:36BubblemanBut every Sunday I hear chainsaws in my neighborhood every single Sunday. So I guess You know, some lady got onto the Lions Bay board and she passed a little ordinance and now it's Sundays, our quiet Sundays. So you can't go like blow, you can't turn on your chainsaw. The noise was the least of my worry. It was, and for any of you that have ever watched my videos and I have over a thousand of them on YouTube, you'll remember random chainsaw guy that I used to always mention because anytime I went out onto my deck to make a video, anytime,

21:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLooks like Marcus is intent.

21:21SpeakerLike what the fuck?

21:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah. We missed that, but it was kind of perfect, I think.

21:27Johnny BYeah, perfect.

21:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, I spurned that a little bit. I'll just, you know, some of these native women, like these elders that are getting arrested right now, they've had to deal with laws where no more than four indigenous people could gather together. These native elders have lived through laws where they could not gather. We're not talking about COVID. No, we're talking about you can't be with more than four native people at once or you're against the law.

22:03Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhat? And also residential schools where they're taken out of their lands. And to made speak English and to disconnect them from the land. These are the people getting arrested today and yesterday for protecting the last remaining old growth in British Columbia.

22:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, it's pretty fucked up.

22:29BubblemanWe should welcome Colin and Craig from Alpenglow into the room. They just showed up. How are you guys doing?

22:41Collin PalmerDoing really well, man. Thanks for having us. And thanks for sharing that. Josh, it's always important to voice as much as we can to all communities so they can join and be a larger voice together. Nice to see you, Craig. Always a big fan of your work out there. Thanks for being on with us.

23:09SpeakerYes. Good morning. And thank you, Josh, for rolling that out. I've been following along in the stories and doing a small share of reposting and trying to bring some awareness. And this is so real and it happens here in our our community as well. Those of you that have driven the 101 through the Humboldt-Mendos state line, we're battling Caltrans there because they want to widen the road so bigger trucks can travel through there and faster.

23:43SpeakerAnd right now it's like we call it the Redwood Curtain because they have to, a certain length of semi needs to unhook and get put on by a little tractor semi to pull it through there. But it also slows everyone down to 40 miles an hour. And it's like, it's almost like going to church for a minute. Like we go 65 forever. And then it's like, just slow down and appreciate what we have.

24:10SpeakerBut Yeah, Josh, you brought up a lot of valid points. Like you're seeing, I live in a wooden house and these fur beams in my house came from my land and I cut those down. We have, our land personally was pretty hammered by the loggers and grew up all at one time. There's a couple seed trees left here or there. So we are taking the chainsaws out and doing a bunch of management because what's grown back has grown back as Mother Nature didn't really plan.

24:44SpeakerAnd in time, it would correct itself. You know, it's choking out some of the smaller species and they're falling and we have this dead and dying thing happening and, you know, bringing back the carbon sequestered carbon back into its own ecosystem. But with the fire danger we have right now, we can't wait for mother nature. So we do have to step in and do some of our own management practices just in our little footprint here.

25:12SpeakerWhat we are doing, we're chipping it and we're using that to build soil and so forth. But I think those of you that are listening that are hearing the talk about trees, I think you really have to have critical thinking. And so much of that critical thinking has gone out the window these days. It's with Corona and all these other things. Folks have just thrown the critical thinking out and it's platforms like this that help us bring these minds together and share our thoughts.

25:45SpeakerAnd thank you, Marcus, time and time again for holding space for all this community and everyone here. We appreciate you for what you're doing. Thank you.

25:59BubblemanAppreciate the kind words. Very nice to start it off with some realness this morning, you know, like I personally absolutely love visiting old growth forests. I have a cedar forest, a standing cedar forest that's just up the road, just up past Whistler. We have an ancient cedar forest and they're pretty big trees, 20 to 25 feet in diameter. They're impressive. They take your breath away. Of course, Tofino, Mears Island, some really beautiful trees out that way as well.

26:30BubblemanAnd it's just such a shame to see them be cut down. And even for people that were here, you know, back in the day when logging was happening in the 50s and the 60s, it was really just one tree that would hit the truck at a time. Now you see these logging trucks. Yeah, like one tree for multiple trucks even. Oh, look at that. Nice little treats, Sharon.

26:53BubblemanOh, yeah. You know, I hope Brian shows up from Best Friend Farms because he's been doing these incredible like cookies and like donuts and like just kind of like they look really like a treat that you would eat. And I meant to mention it last week, but we got sucked so far down the rabbit hole of sensory science that by the time I went to go see if he was in the room, he had bounced.

27:17BubblemanHe had some problems with his With his internet. So hopefully he comes back in. I'm about to puff a little dab of some 120 micron strawberry banana shit. This is definitely what dreams are made of right here. Let me tell you, if this right here, this is literally how we could stop these motherfuckers from cutting down trees, because I'm telling you a couple of heroic dabs of this.

27:44BubblemanAnd there's just no way that those people are going to decide that. Yeah, this is in my best interest. And wow. So as humans, we get caught up like you could you could just feel the polarity, the tension between a logger and an activist. You can you can just the way we just have these different mentalities and I can't help but feel that the compelling of speech is getting us into a very dangerous Adam Dizzle, Nick, Skully Vibes, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

28:36BubblemanAnd we are now getting into a level of compelling, of compelled speech that maybe we've never seen before in the history of our species. I hope one day that it doesn't become, you know, insane to talk about saving trees. I hope one day that they don't decide to ostracize us and make us look like conspiracy freaks because we think that trees produce oxygen and that we want some of them to be alive because I see a lot of things getting cast into that sort of, well, we can just disregard that because we have this argument against that.

29:12BubblemanPlus, we've compelled speech, so they're not really allowed to talk about that anymore anyway. Freaks me out a little bit. In the meantime, I'm going to have a little dab.

29:22SpeakerMarcus, I kind of resemble that remark that you just made about if we had a few more light depths of strawberry banana. Just planted one. I don't know if you guys can see it up there on my big flat. We planted it into native soils. I've been starting to utilize this technique of trenching with a trencher. Making just a little cut because we have Where we have clay and shale, it is so compacted.

29:54SpeakerLike it's ridiculous from some of these logging sites. So I've tried this technique where I'm trenching down and then putting the wood chip and inoculated straw and building soils that way. And then putting a little bit of locally sourced nursery stock soil just around the plant itself so it can go out and give it itself a minute. And it's coming along nicely. And I'm excited to see how this one comes out.

30:23SpeakerIt's the first time I've done it as a light depth. I've done it as full term, where you have more time for those roots to get established and tap into the biology. Light depth is an interesting one to do in native soils. As some of you know, it takes just an extra minute. You have to be a little more patient. But once it kicks in, it's phenomenal.

30:47SpeakerCheers.

30:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDoes your trench drain water or does it hold water when you make it, Craig?

30:55SpeakerYeah, so, Josh, you've been here and down at our Huckleberry flat place, the lower place that we actually sold, that was more of a shale finger of the of the mountain. And there it actually functioned really nicely. And that's where we went a bit deeper and we put a lot of wood chip in the bottom of that one. So it would be a sponge and capture the water before it just drained down through the shale.

31:20SpeakerIn this one, I had a problem even with a trencher getting through the hard pan clay. Like it was just like bouncing. So this one, I really feel it's going to hold water And we are being super, so it's the opposite now. So instead of trying to create a sponge at the bottom and hold water that was passing through, this one will be using just minute water.

31:44SpeakerAnd then a bunch of this wood chip that we've recently made, we've put in the pathways and along the edges. And actually part of the technique is prepping the flat before we even operate the trencher. So sometimes if we have the time, we would put down a loose fill straw, kind of the Ruth Stout method. So loose fill straw and then two inches or so of raw manure.

32:11SpeakerLet that sit over the winter, then trench. And then you're bringing the native over it like a lasagna layer. And, you know, I'm not one for using mechanized tools, but sometimes when you're on the mountain, you don't have a choice and you bring them in one time and then you're good. But The tailings of the trencher are really nice. It's really nice structure to it. And it makes it a really nice lasagna layer.

32:38SpeakerNow up here, We didn't have the time, so we did the straw, wood chips, and then we let the chickens out on it for two weeks. And the chickens went through and got all the hay seeds out and inoculated with their manure. And then we trench. And then when we bring that native soil on top, it keeps that clay tailing from becoming anaerobic. And that's also really important with the manures as well.

33:07SpeakerSo now we have that. Aaron Wiggins, On top, and then we will come through and probably put a really light layer of wood chip. And then I also picked up some spawn blocks from Mushroom Mike, and I'll be inoculating that. The pathways first, and then with a pathway being like that thick with wood chip, We will inoculate that and then we'll come in with some compost tea and just dump it and dump it and dump it and let that be the biology bank and then they can spread out into the growing spaces.

33:44SpeakerSo we'll keep you all posted as to how that goes. Just super excited.

33:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo the aisles become your IMO. Yeah. And if you ever go out to a place that you appreciate, that you think has good soil and different that on there, you can spread that on your aisles, you know, little seed of some biology from different places. And over the year, your aisle is creating the indigenous microorganisms because When you use rice to create indigenous microorganisms, you're going to get a lot of trichoderma.

34:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, the green molds that come on under heavy and trichodermas and no one's actually testing the species on the rice. So when you use more locally sourced raw materials to build your indigenous microorganisms, then you're going to get more diverse biology from your region. Because rice doesn't grow in your region. So how is biology going to have the intelligence to propagate itself? Only certain things will propagate itself.

34:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo really by using wild grasses and leaves and your indigenous soils coming up, manures, mushroom blocks, these are all things that grow in the region and have a more complex carbohydrate. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

35:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou are amazing. Thank you for your passion and your completion of your education. That's really a really big deal. We all love you so much and you know that.

35:47SpeakerThank you, Josh. I appreciate it. It's quite an accomplishment and it feels amazing to be done. And it's amazing just to want to keep going too. It's going to be really neat to see what the future holds for all of us. And thank you to my husband for the support. Oh, thank you. Have a good time. Bye.

36:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd of course, the two beautiful girls.

36:09SpeakerOf course, yeah. You know, one thing that Melanie is going to be going on and teaching is public speaking. And all of us realize what an important tool that is. You know, we can have these regenerative tools. We can have these political views. We can have this activism. But without being able to speak and deliver it properly and accurately, we'd be lost. So I sure appreciate her.

36:34SpeakerAnd more so just encouraging people that are interested in finding their authentic voice and expressing it in a way that resonates with them. A lot of times we look at other people and we try to emulate what they're doing. And then we miss an incredible opportunity to find what's inside of ourselves. And be able to express that authentically in our way. So me expressing myself the way that Melanie does is different than the way that you would or that Josh would.

37:02SpeakerIt's just encouraging people to trust who they are and trust that they can express themselves in a way that is like them and that resonates with them. So it's gonna be really neat and really fun. I'm really nervous though. Okay, bye. Have fun.

37:16Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOriginal thought is that, bye, Melanie. original thought is lacking these days. So that's why it's important to turn off your electronics every once in a while and go experience yourself. Go experience your surroundings. Go experience your cannabis. Go touch your soil. Go be in tune. With intuition, because intuition and feelings, it's learned. It's a muscle. It's something that you have to teach yourself. I mean, people that are remote viewers or people that are intuitives, they work on it.

37:58Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, so, you know, let's work on using our voice. Let's work on our original thought. What's authentic to us. It's important to be part of a group too, because community is part of our, our, our importance, but, you know, bringing original thought to it is extremely important. Johnny B's in the house.

38:20BubblemanJohnny B in the house. I would say what Josh was just saying is to spend time with the sublime because the sublime is humbling and you will all be a little bit... The way I put it the other day to a friend is, you know what, we'll be a lot less dicks if we're just, we'll be a lot nicer if we can just share time with this humility.

38:44BubblemanAnd that is to stare the sublime in the face, go jump off a mountain, go snowboard down a mountain, go spend time in a garden, go out in the middle of the ocean and feel how insignificant you are. Because, yeah, it's okay to be humbled. The world could use more of it.

39:05Johnny BGood morning, everybody.

39:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe're growing hemp right now from Daryl Hudson and in planta. And it's Vavilov and Chinese hybrids. And, you know, the Vavilov, just everyone who Nikolai Vavilov is. Just curious. But anyway, in the 1920s, Nikolai Vavilov traveled the world collecting cannabis seeds and also other seeds and created the Vavilov Institute. Now, he was one of the foremost genetic seed collectors of the world at the time. But over the course of the years, he became ostracized by the community and eventually jailed and then eventually starved to death in jail.

39:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineNow, the Vavilov Institute still exists and has lots of seeds. Also, you know, that combined with the historical hemp of China, we're looking at hemp in a different way right now because, yeah, high CBD is super important. It's an obvious medicine. But food and fiber coming out of hemp is going to be what saves us from the forest industry or potentially Bill Gates, you know, whole I'm so excited to be here.

40:32Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm so excited to be here.

40:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI don't know the number four to five times, you know, that way outproduced timber sales when it comes to biomass and when it comes to say pellet fuel or cap creates the stuff. So We are putting our best foot forward to continue these genetics outside of CBD, outside of medicinal and continuing the work of food and fiber hemp, you know, because this is part of what makes cannabis the master plant that it is.

41:21Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, you don't become a master plant in evolution without having, you know, thousands of uses. And that's what this plant offers. And we know that. So I feel really blessed right now to be able to stand in the presence of thousands of years and hundreds. I think every cannabis plant is a There's a thousand year old, you know, multi-generational creation, whether it's a hybrid or from an ancient stock.

41:51Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBut being able to reinvigorate that ancient stock is pretty phenomenal. And I'm going to go grab the seeds real quick so you can see the size of them. I did do a post of them and some people saw them, but.

42:06Johnny BI like that.

42:07BubblemanCheck that out.

42:08Johnny BI love that. That's what that plant is.

42:13BubblemanI feel like Sam showed me the biggest and the smallest seeds I've ever seen in my life. And he did it like all within the same like 30 seconds span of time.

42:22SpeakerAnd the smallest ones I got from Kashmir and the biggest ones from Yunnan. But I did work with Avalon for five, six years. And I had access to every seed they had.

42:42BubblemanBut did they have access to every seed you had?

42:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDid you have access to seeds? Let's see that. Let me get this in my hand.

42:53BubblemanAre these the walnut seeds?

42:56Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah.

42:56SpeakerLet me see if I could. How many seeds to one gram?

43:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineShould I get a scale?

43:10SpeakerYeah, I'm curious. The biggest I've ever had were 12 to 1 gram.

43:21BubblemanI love that Sam has a reference point. Like, just think of that for one second, okay? He's going to weigh these monster seeds and Sam says to him, oh, the biggest ones I ever had were 12 to 1 gram. Who fucking knows that?

43:42SpeakerYou know, I, I don't, I don't know how many, how much my seeds weigh particularly, but I know how many fit on a teaspoon of my legacy genetic, you know? So I know I can take a teaspoon and that's about a hundred.

43:57BubblemanThat's like a lid. That's an Alpenglow lid. Is that what you're saying?

44:00SpeakerYeah. A spoon.

44:05BubblemanThat's awesome. Very cool. I can't wait to see how much these seeds weigh. I want to see how many he gets in a gram. The ones Sam put in my hand literally were like small walnuts. I remember laughing when I first saw them. I was like, this is ridiculous. And those were not the most insane seeds Sam ever put in my hand because the most insane seeds he ever put in my hand were like from some burial from like 2000 plus years ago.

44:28BubblemanHe was like, check these out. And I was kind of like, what? What are these? They look really old.

44:33SpeakerThis is from the Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

45:06BubblemanYou know, Sam just throws them at me like they're nothing.

45:09SpeakerVavilov Institute folks took me over to the Hermitage Museum where the seeds were from the, it was from the Roshinko burial tomb Where he, Roshinko's the one who dug it up and they found these, you know, 1700, 2000 year old seeds. And they gave me eight of them that they found in a little leather pouch buried under the ground with all kinds of other cool treasures from the Scythians.

45:48WadeDid you try and germinate them, Sam? Oh yeah, so I've got them growing right now in my backyard.

45:59SpeakerThey were completely dried out and there was no oil in them at all anymore. They were beneath them. Maybe they were okay when they dug them up because the whole tomb was buried in ice for all this time. But what happened was they started the museum for 20, 30 years before they came to me.

46:29SpeakerAnd they were almost 2,000 years old.

46:34BubblemanI want to see these seeds, Josh. Are you weighing those seeds over there?

46:38SpeakerI think we just realized Josh still lives in the days of paranoia and his scale is out in an olive barrel like in the back 40. I got to go dig it up. It's funny. We've been doing this brush clearing and we're deep in the outer boundary of our homestead and And the guys are like, hey, there's a barrel. And I was like, oh, what's in it?

47:04SpeakerThere was an old triple beam. It was pretty funny.

47:10SpeakerIf these hills could talk.

47:12Collin PalmerYeah, man, that's awesome.

47:20Collin PalmerSo, Dr. Mark, what's going on, man? How did the test go with the, I believe you were telling me you had THCV or CBDV? I can't remember what novel cannabinoid you got a new line on that you're trying to work with. What company was that and what cannabinoid?

47:45SpeakerYeah, so it was a company that was selling THCV isolate. And the company is called Snapdragon CBD and they're out of Tennessee. And they were on the Adam Dunn show and Adam or Adam's guy called me up and had me come on the show real quickly a couple Fridays ago and they just happened to be on and they're like, hey, we got THCV isolate. I was like, whoo, really?

48:15SpeakerWow. Let's get some of that. See what that's like. So yeah, I ordered some of that. Yeah, so it is pretty pure, but it's totally Delta 8 configured, right? So it's not Delta 9 THCV, it's Delta 8. So it makes me think that they're just converting it from CBDV. So CBDV like CBD makes an isolate and you could, All right, so we're going to go ahead and get started.

48:48SpeakerSo we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to go ahead and get started.

49:15SpeakerI guess, I mean, where else does it come from? I mean, the other thing is that, I don't know if you guys are on Future 4200, but there's this fella, Ion Trap there, who's actually testing a lot of Delta 8 products and finding a whole soup of really nasty chemicals in there. Not only the Starting materials. And what happens when they, so what they do is they, they take CBD and they treat it with acid and that converts it over to THC.

49:52SpeakerBut it also unzips the molecule and, and rips the, the terpene portion of CBD off the ring and makes this compound called olivitol. And you'll know olivitolic acid is the precursor to all the cannabinoids in the plant. And Olivetol is not something that you want to be consuming. And and so this guy is out buying samples of Delta A, whatever he can get and testing it and just finding all kinds of real nasty crap in there.

50:29SpeakerSo that's really disheartening that I guess a lot of times, I guess when you're making these things and if they're less pure, you'd think that, you know, they would just throw that away, but they end up John MacDonald, In things like gummies where you know yeah the consumer is going to be tasting the gummy but they're not known that the crap that's in there is only like about.

50:51SpeakerJohn MacDonald, 50 or 60% pure, meaning that there's 40% other crap in there and he's finding things like phthalates in one sample he actually found dioxins and dioxins is a really toxic class of molecules and to make dioxins my gosh. They must have just a toxic soup of stuff in there. And these folks are just hemp processors. They're not chemists like me. They don't understand that what they're making is they're making a chemical mixture and then thinking that it's OK to put into and safe to put in the product.

51:34SpeakerIt's clearly not.

51:40WadeMark, I want to thank you for pointing that out because no chemical reaction done by humans is going to be clean and pure is my take on it.

51:49SpeakerWell, it could be done clean and pure. There's ways that you can make that reaction really clean.

51:58BubblemanOf course, but when that's not your focus, when your focus is just to find the exploit to make money, these are the repercussions.

52:06SpeakerRight. And you see that they banned it in Colorado. And I think one of the reasons why they banned it in Colorado is because the Delta 9 lobby is so strong in Colorado. And certainly the Colorado is one of the leading states of, you know, regulating the industry here in the US. But I guess the real disappointing thing is that like when you go to these Delta 8 markets, they're in all the cannabis unfriendly states.

52:31SpeakerLike Mississippi and Tennessee and Alabama. And none of those states have cannabis programs because they sell Delta 8 cartridges down at the gas station. So why do they need cannabis, right? And again, Marcus, when you look at the guy who's on Future 4200, if the watchers or the hash church people Need to know there's a guy named Ion Trap. That's the guy you want to look for.

53:02SpeakerAnd he's a couple threads in there that talks about him analyzing commercial products. And he's actually looking for producers to say, hey, if you guys think you have a clean product, send it to me. I'll test it for you, tell you what's in there. And I guess some people, again, that's where the interaction goes bad. He'll tell them, you got all this crap in there. You better change.

53:27SpeakerAnd they're just like, fuck you, you know? And that's where it ends. So listen, you should invite him on to Hashtag to get a chance. Well, you know, the way 4200 works, no one really knows who the guy is. Now I can tell you.

53:43BubblemanHe can come on like Sam, though.

53:45SpeakerYeah, he's kind of like Sam. So Sam, you probably know this guy. He says he's been working in. Give me his phone number and address so everybody. He says he's been working in cannabinoid science for 30 or 40 years. And when you look at the content of his posts, you realize this guy is no joke, right, Colin? He is no joke. Yeah, no doubt. He totally knows.

54:09Collin PalmerHe really knows the stuff.

54:11SpeakerThere's a lot of haters on 4200, so it's a very interesting forum.

54:15Collin PalmerScience is like the art community, though. There's tons of haters, you know? Are you talking about Future 4200?

54:24SpeakerIt's called Future 4200. It's a website, and you can go there and look. And just look at, like, I think the thread that I'm thinking of is something like there's a safe, compliant way to make Delta 8. And I think most of this chatter happened back in March. And after that, there was a lot of edicts that came out about Delta 8, including this ban in Colorado.

54:48SpeakerSo who knows if, again, him going out and testing some of these products that are in this unregulated marketplace All of these things help the FDA and DEA actually sort out, okay, well, what are we going to do here, you know? And I think very clearly, it seems like there's like about more than, what, two dozen states now, Colin, that have banned Delta A?

55:09Collin PalmerYeah, so that's kind of my next question. All right, so because of this chemistry and this toxicologist that's really, you know, looking into this, the, you know, do you believe that's kind of, you know, Mark Benthien, MD, You know the reasoning behind the the the regulation of delta eight and do you believe that this is going to continue and and do you believe it should continue.

55:32SpeakerMark Benthien, MD, Well he's he's really getting down on on producers that don't have in house analytics to basically put some type of quality control mechanism on what they're making. So to convert CBD to THC, you have to treat it with acid. But that same acid, I mean, think about acid like a hammer. You could use a hammer to knock in a little tack, or you could use a big freaking sledgehammer.

55:55SpeakerSo I think a lot of these people are using a big freaking sledgehammer and they're busting the molecule apart back into a livitol and some other degradation species. I think parasymin comes out of that. And there's a few other James Meeker, Things but it's interesting because again he's just looking for stuff that's in the marketplace. James Meeker, And, and all the producers are like scared of this guy because he's got the sophistication and the analytical instrumentation.

56:23SpeakerJames Meeker, And Sam I bet you $1 to a donut that you know who this dude is he's totally anonymous in this forum. But he's been in cannabinoid science for a real long time. And I can tell you that everything that he posts, I read it almost, it took me about two days worth of reading just to get through March 21st of that single post because you're selling it.

56:48SpeakerAnybody who sends me 9.95, nine euros and 95 cents, I'll send you his address, his phone number, social security number, his bank account number. Yeah. Well, the other thing that made him quite unpopular is he said that he's putting a binder together and he's going to send it to the DEA. And the feds. And, you know, that just is an instant hot button, you know, with a lot of people.

57:16SpeakerThis guy's a douche. He's a snitch. You know, fuck this guy. If he could find things that are wrong with the substances being sold to consumers, then a whistle needs to be blown, period. Yes. And he's the guy that's doing it. And he says he's doing it because, A, his friends are being poisoned. People like that he knows are bringing things to him and saying, Steve Sorenson, Hey, can you look at this?

57:41SpeakerHe looks at it and says, there's poison in here. So that's one thing. And the other thing is he claims that there's a safe and efficient process to make this, and you need internal analytics to tell the quality of your products. Look, Marcus, I ask you all the time, Marcus will show a nice Steve Adubato, CFO Alphabet and Google

58:26SpeakerAlso too, Mark, to be honest, I think one of the main impetus behind banning it in many states is the fact that it is not a natural cannabinoid. It is synthesized by man from natural cannabinoids. Right. And Sam, you won't believe how many people and they so-called cannabis experts who are like, oh no, Delta-8 is naturally occurring in a plant. It's like, What fucking, what textbook did you read?

58:54SpeakerGo read Paul Malberg. Go read the people who actually figured out cannabinoid biosynthesis. It ends at Delta 8 THC, okay? Or I'm sorry, Delta 9. It doesn't go to Delta 8, right? So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people on record who say that Delta 8 is found in trace amounts in the plant. And I laugh at that. I think that's funny.

59:17Collin PalmerI've never seen it. Not true.

59:19BubblemanHey, I wanted to cut to Josh. I wanted to cut to Josh because I saw he had 13 seeds to a gram, but then he went off camera and he found some bigger ones and came back with 12 per gram. Here it is, family.

59:34SpeakerHere it is. It's a tie. Are those from Yunnan?

59:40Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, it's a combination. It's a combination of the Vavilov and the Chinese. Yeah, it is. I think it is from Yunnan, which has the most biodiversity in all of China.

59:55SpeakerI've been everywhere around the world looking at Canada seeds. Yunnan were the biggest I found.

1:00:02Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLook at 12 seeds. 102. Come on now. I'll find more. I'll make it 11. I'm beating Sam.

1:00:14Collin PalmerI want to see it.

1:00:15SpeakerWait a second. Did he spit on those seeds?

1:00:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI am in Canada, so you'd have to ask about that. You know, you'd have to ask.

1:00:30SpeakerYeah, let's just see if there's pine tar on his back. Okay. Now, my small seeds were 800 plus to the gram.

1:00:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWow. That's insane. What was that from? Was that tropical?

1:00:48SpeakerI collected it in Kashmir at over 9,000 feet in a city called Pelgam.

1:00:54Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's my next picture. So smaller.

1:01:07Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, those seeds, I think, are the answer to saving the forest, I believe, you know, so that's what I'm excited about. I know that when I walk...

1:01:16SpeakerWhich ones are for saving the forest? That one.

1:01:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's what's for saving the forest.

1:01:28SpeakerThe big ones or the small ones?

1:01:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThe big ones. What I'm saying is the big ones are because in this case, And maybe the small ones make giant trees too. I just don't know. I just know that these particular seeds are very large and they also produce some of the largest hemp plants ever, you know, that you'll see. They're, they're, they're not a big flower plant. It's a fiber and food seed thing. So I believe that's going to be saving the forest industry because when you, walk in an old growth forest you're walking on four to five feet of trees that have been down for a thousand years there's no man-made forest that'll ever ever make it to that especially in a fire zone i mean if you wanted to create a nice forest in a fire zone you would have to cut the trees down Which I don't agree with, but you'd have to cut them down.

1:02:29Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThen you'd have to buck them up and then you'd have to cut them, slice them in half and then put them on the forest floor. Otherwise you're just stealing soil. So like when you walk into an old growth forest, the purpose of the trees growing really close to themselves is so they fall. And if you want to speed up that process and you have to fall them, put them on the ground and not take them out.

1:02:55Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineOtherwise, there'll never be another large forest there. There's only so much dirt. There's only so many needles that can fall. So that's what's really important. When you walk in a thousand-year-old forest, you're walking on four to five feet of moss and humus. And that's what makes us a humus being. You know, we're humus beings when we're from the earth, when we believe in natural immunity.

1:03:19SpeakerThat's when we're a human.

1:03:22Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you. Yes. That's what makes us carbon-based microbial humus beings.

1:03:27SpeakerAnd what makes that responsible? What makes that really happen, Josh? It's fungi, right? It's the wood decay fungi that decay. So there's stuff called white rot and brown rot. And when it hits white rot, it leaves brown behind. And when it hits brown rot, it leaves the white behind. But Yeah, those fungi have figured out ways to completely mineralize the content of the rotten wood. It starts with bacteria.

1:04:01SpeakerBacteria lead the way, but then fungi come in after that. And all those rotten trees that you find are, yeah, just the tops of what you're talking about, that layer of humus that goes back For centuries of fallen wood.

1:04:19Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd that fungi is here to save humanity. When I go to Oregon, Washington, or California, it's very difficult to find polypores. It's very difficult to find polypores because there's no trees rotting. Everything's managed. There's no branch to rot. You've robbed the forest of fungi And you've robbed the humanity of the fungi. Amazingly so. It takes those dead and dying forests, those nasty fire forests are what saves our life.

1:05:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt might be that they want to cut down the old growth forest because when someone walks into an old growth forest, their life is changed forever. They will, oh my God. What's happening? Oh my God, the resonance. Oh my God, everything's intact. Oh my God, owls. Did you hear that? Honey, ravens, what's going on?

1:05:17Johnny BWhat's happening? I've never seen life like this.

1:05:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYeah, we're losing the diversity. So it's very important that we put branches on the ground and let them rot. It makes greenery. It makes greenery. You take the branches away, you lose the greenery. I've seen forests green in the summer. You know, it's possible.

1:05:38SpeakerThe only way it's possible is mulch love. You got to over mulch the system and that's three branches.

1:05:44Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I think that's mulch love.

1:05:48SpeakerYeah, Josh. And one thing I want to add to what he was talking about when we're when we're cutting our firewood for the for the season, we'll leave behind a little stack as an offering back along the roadways or along wherever in the forest we were cutting. And then now when we do our walks back through the forest, that's Thank you for joining us.

1:06:23SpeakerYou see all that. And I was talking earlier about selling off part of our farm. And we sold it to some amazing, amazing human beings. And he was walking the road and he said, Hey, I saw some on both sides of our road that we share, because I saw some old firewood that I want to use for my Google beds. Can I take that? I said, Oh, that's Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:07:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThere's so much material left over, so much raw material left over by the loggers. And all they're going to do is put it in the air. So really, like if you have a truck and a trailer, like an incredible amount of raw materials can be gathered out of clear cuts. And you should do it because you're not stealing future soil from the clear cut, because all they're going to do is stack it up and burn it, which is just mind blowing.

1:07:39Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd then they try and replant a forest. Yeah, it's so frustrating, but yeah, so yeah, you know, like you said, Craig, there's this balance, you know, like we're taking some, we're leaving some, but we're the mindset of, I think we need to rewild I think we need to rewild our cannabis garden. I think we need to rewild our genealogy. I think we need to have viruses because without viruses, our immune system cannot evolve.

1:08:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineBy stopping ourselves from getting sick, we're stopping our body, another muscle, the immune system, from working properly.

1:08:22SpeakerJosh, before we do any of this, to be honest, We need to lower the world population because the world cannot support the amount of people we have. If we had one tenth of the amount of people we have, maybe the world could be okay. But in a sustainable way, we got too many and it's only going to be more.

1:08:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWell, we live in a scarcity environment. So yeah, based off the style of life that we live as 8 billion people on the planet, based off that style, based off what's been handed to us, we live in scarcity. It's not necessary. We can live in abundance if everyone participated in the concept that we're all trying to better ourselves and make more food. If everyone grew a little bit in their yard, on their roof, on their terrace, somewhere, something, it's possible for us to live in abundance, even with 8 billion people on the earth.

1:09:31SpeakerYeah, we have an abundance of scarcity and it is driving the market, literally. They make us feel a shortage and then it just drives and drives and drives.

1:09:45Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd without regenerative agriculture and regenerative soils, you can talk about soil science all day long. You can talk about terpenes, you can talk about sensory stuff, but 95% of the beers out there are coated in glyphosate. You know, most of the wine is so great. You've got all the sensory down, but the base of the sensory is tarnished. It's toxic. So really like the first thing is how do we put health back into the system?

1:10:18Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHow do we put health back in? Now we can talk about terpenes. Now we can talk about sensory and what the But if we're analyzing sensory while we're getting poisoned by glyphosate, then it's just not a system that's recognizable. It's a broken system. So I constantly will continuously promote regenerative lifestyle and soils and regenerative style cultivation and polyculture and permaculture because I want to survive. I want to be one of those people that survive.

1:10:56SpeakerMarcus, I have a question for you. Did you hear from Max Monrose about the other type of terpenes he discovered? I mean, the other trichomes, excuse me.

1:11:10BubblemanNo, I didn't. I only sent my message late last night, so I didn't hear back from him. But yeah, he did say that he was going to come back and share that with us as well. There was something else too, I forget. He said he grafted hops and cannabis together. Oh, that's right.

1:11:25SpeakerNo, he didn't graft it. He bred it. He crossed it. Right, right.

1:11:32BubblemanI was quite skeptical, but if somebody did it, I want to see it. Well, you're the doubting Thomas, and that's why you got to touch the incorporeal body of Christ.

1:11:45SpeakerWell, I'm very interested also if he thinks he has a different kind of a trichome. I'm very interested.

1:11:56BubblemanWell, there have been quite a few posts and even Ed Rosenthal picked up on this recently. There is a guy who posts and I don't know if they're just mutants, but he posted a picture of a trichome the other day that had like six little heads on top of it. I wish I could remember his name because he's posting all sorts of very, very high level.

1:12:16SpeakerIs that in a variety? I have no idea.

1:12:20BubblemanI have no idea. I just know that it's cannabis. It could be a one-off. It could be a mutant. It could be a variety. I just don't know enough about it. But it's definitely unique. And I wish I could kind of find one to share. But the only one person I know really is Ed that posted it. And he, whoever's running his account. Oh yeah, here we go.

1:12:44BubblemanThis, this is it right here.

1:12:53SpeakerOdd looking, looks like opium poppy. Yeah. And funny enough, the six.

1:12:59WadeHold it up and say something. Hold it up and say something. So your screen is, yeah. Thank you. Beautiful. Okay. Yeah.

1:13:08WadeThat's insane. Love the color of it.

1:13:15WadeOr is that a function of backlighting?

1:13:20BubblemanLet me let me shout this guy out. His name is zoom underscore gardens. Go check him out on Instagram. He's here. I'll punch it into the chat too. So it's zooms underscore gardens. Doing some great work.

1:13:37Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's the best friend in the house. Lots of love to you out in Maine. Hey, I got to take off family and get some stuff done preparing for the rain that's coming this week and everything. So Josh, Craig, Ray, Sam, Johnny, Colin, Mark, Bubba Man, many blessings to you. Lots of love.

1:13:56SpeakerThanks for coming in, brother. Keep growing those seeds bigger and bigger, Josh.

1:14:05Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLooks beautiful. Sam, good job. Nice to see. Or wait, that's Joshua's plants. Yeah, sorry.

1:14:15SpeakerI've been watering all morning. So I thought I'd just pop on. And I always think I can hop on with a joint and a coffee and water and talk. And that is just not possible. I'm like, what am I doing? I'm trying to talk with people here. So I finally finished my watering. And if you guys follow my Instagram at all, you saw how I Pretty much almost killed this whole entire greenhouse about four weeks ago.

1:14:39SpeakerI, uh, I overheated the baby and fried everything here. You can see the damages here. Some of these plants were like almost were gone. Look at this.

1:14:53SpeakerBut I lost the whole top 12, six to 12 inches and, um, had a lot of work, big mistake. And I'm just so impressed with these plants. Um, big thanks to Josh and Kelly. I used, uh, The Lush Roots and the Gaia Green to kind of help push through some of this. But I'm just really impressed, man. Look at these tops. I'm going to have a beautiful yield.

1:15:16SpeakerLook at all these tops. I messed up my depth this morning.

1:15:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI just put this depth on a couple of weeks ago and I was kind of working on timing it and I broke my shear pin. So I got to run to the hardware store and get a new shear pin.

1:15:32SpeakerSo that's why I've got my depth on half of it.

1:15:37SpeakerLook at this one. This is one I selected out of 800 this summer. The Black Wap Gold. Look at these tops. My little fuck up is going to give me a nice yield. I'm excited.

1:15:51BubblemanThat plant looks straight up like a fucking canopy.

1:15:55SpeakerYeah, dude. Look at this big one back here. Can you see that big girl? I'll walk over on one of these planks. Oh, I see her back there in the shade. Yeah, in the shade. This big black vine. I'm Kevin Jodry. So I'm, this is six feet right here. She's seven, eight feet tall. We just started flower about three days ago. She's going to get way up there, up into the light.

1:16:21BubblemanYou use light meters to figure out what kind of light your plants are getting there. Cause Johnny B came over here the other day with this like utterly ridiculous multi-thousand dollar light meter. Um, maybe he can tell us a little bit about that later, but do you, do you use anything like that, Josh?

1:16:36SpeakerI don't, I can't afford one, but, um, kind of the way, so in the greenhouses, we build the light system to be a supplement, not to be a full on lighting deal. So. Even when I like flip all these lights on, there's a ton of them. I'm only putting in about 20% of what the plants need, 20, 30%. If I had like the depth on, I wouldn't be able to grow a good crop with just these lights.

1:17:00Johnny BAre you in BC?

1:17:02SpeakerI'm just below. I'm on the border in Blaine, Birch Bay.

1:17:06Johnny BDamn, maybe I can meet you. I could just pass the meter across.

1:17:09SpeakerYeah, toss it over.

1:17:10Johnny BI'll just leave it sitting on the side of the corner, you know, and you can pick it up and leave it down in there and we'll meet the next day.

1:17:18SpeakerThis one's the Congo though from up there, the Roberts Creek. Oh shit, Congo Bongo.

1:17:25Johnny BSeeing the shade and I'm looking at, I've been doing this around my own yard by putting plants in solo cups in different parts of different spectrums underneath the different trees and looking at different reds and stuff. So I'm having a lot of fun with this right now. Just a heads up. What? In two minutes, it's going to be 420 in Cape Verdu. So I have a 420 clock right beside me.

1:17:44Johnny BSo I'm kind of like, but we'll just keep going here. Sorry.

1:17:47SpeakerI was just on the light kick. So I'm putting on this depth and I built this greenhouse oriented east to west, right? Not north to south. Because, you know, my version of regenerative is that I grow year round. And I only support people within 100 miles of me. And that's kind of how I've quantified this whole thing. So I built this whole system to be a year-round greenhouse and to produce in the cold part of the year.

1:18:14SpeakerAnd I had another local flower guy come over and he's like, what's up with that big tube? If you can look up here, I have a big, I call it the light, the dong of life. But it's a big 36-inch tube that just distributes the air from the top of the greenhouse into the whole system. And then I, and I, and I was just like, no, man, I'm not, it's never been a problem.

1:18:35SpeakerI've been running this dog for five years and, and I start talking to them real confidently about, uh, the understory and where plant cannabis is in succession and how it's kind of an understory plant and, and the diffusion. And I start talking about rattling all this stuff and, and, you know, just to describe it better, I have a two layers of poly here. And when you blow them up, it creates a light diffusion and it reduces the brightness in the greenhouse, but it also spreads it out.

1:19:02SpeakerAnd you can see it on the plant canopy. If you go, you know, if I walk from one greenhouse with double layer poly into another one with a single layer poly, you can totally go in and then outside, you can totally see the sharp light. You can see how it affects the foliage. And I've also kind of fucked around with putting some plants in the edge of my forest and kind of watched in stages and watch the ones that maybe were a little bit farther back how they did and I'm fully convinced that the plants do like a little bit less light, a little bit more diffused light.

1:19:35SpeakerBut then I got this dep on here and it creates some serious shadows. And so now I'm like, oh man, what have I done? I kind of just say a lot just to bring up the topic about lighting and diffusion. And since you were talking about it, you know, I don't know what anybody else has dug in there and, you know, working on the diffused and less bright, Aaron Ward, World you know and indoors is it's a much different idea you're kind of just trying to hit a specific target, you know and maintain that for an amount of time.

1:20:05Bryan Best Friend FarmsTony Verzura, I just had some. Tony Verzura, I had some results with some indoor back of the room changes with a strain my gas mask excuse me actually seem to have done better kind of even. Mossier, stinkier, even a little bigger on the flowers in the back end of the room where it's the last row of lights instead of hugged between lights. And yeah, so I've seen a little bit of that change indoor, even in different spots.

1:20:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I like the light depths, even being able to drop the tarp. If you've got a hot time during planting, you can drop down halfway and kind of Use it for your own like shade transitional shading at the peak heat of the day. And it's because it's been kind of hot in Maine even the last week over 80. So, yeah.

1:20:55SpeakerI have a question I'll ask the farmers here. Do you guys think or suspect that there's... Anything to do with climate change that has impacted the atmosphere, which has caused lighting to be different for us growing cannabis now in this time period versus what the cannabis plant might have been typically used to working with on Earth prior to humanity doing what we've done up until this point.

1:21:36SpeakerWell, quickly, the first thing that came on my head was the fires. You know, two weeks in August with no sun when you're making flowers into September, that's a big deal. That's a real crucial transition time, and the West Coast folks feel that pretty hard. The other thing I was thinking on the back end was almost a positive effect. If you look at it from a really humanistic perspective, They were able to cultivate in places where we weren't able to cultivate before.

1:22:12SpeakerIt's a really big, interesting question on my mind. I've had a hard go of it here on my farm, in large part with my neighbors and neighbor conflicts that have made it really miserable. For many times, I've been wanting to give up and dreamt about moving away to another place and thought, where would I do it? And then I start kind of looking into what the future looks like in different places.

1:22:33SpeakerAnd I'm like, God damn, I'm in a One of the best spots to really be going forward. I don't know, just kind of the thoughts that I have when I'm thinking about how these things, things are going to be in the future. And water is a big fear for me, even though I'm in an abundant water place. I think that the whole thing is going to be a real big issue coming, going forward with what companies are getting into charging and et cetera.

1:23:01SpeakerSorry, I cut someone else off. I'll let whoever else was going to hop in though.

1:23:08Bryan Best Friend FarmsAll good. I was just kind of agreeing with you. I'm definitely seeing some changes and I'm seeing hotter sun back into Maine here than I thought I would see coming from the West Coast. And I got a big open up property here. So I'm full spread of sun rise to sunset mostly here, you know, but I see a bigger yields and the earth seems drier this year here really dry compared.

1:23:32Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's not fire dry like the West Coast, but It's kicking up dust. My ponds are dropping like a foot and a half already, and it's been a hot May. One of the big things I've seen that's kind of like driving the dogs nuts, driving us nuts are the bugs have kicked up, the black flies, early mosquitoes. Luckily, the dragonflies came in about a month earlier because, you know, the change in climate.

1:23:58Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I don't know if that's just a two year blip that we're seeing, but here as an outdoor farmer in Maine, It's definitely hotter, drier kind of drought conditions coming in and I'm seeing a kick up of bugs that seem to bring in the insect environment pretty hard. You know, they haven't been plaguing us, but there's definitely waves of bugs. We've gotten a bunch of the corn borers in the last few years that seem to have come in and, you know, anyway, that's what I'm seeing some stuff here.

1:24:29WadeYeah, I would lean in and offer this thought to your question, Max. I don't think the cannabis plant itself is going to have any trouble with what we're doing to the environment because it's dealt with all kinds of crazy shit in the 20 million years it's been here. Your real question is what's gonna be the effect on humans and the cannabis industry, if you will. The opportunity for folks to work with this plant, create product and live a life that we all enjoy.

1:25:04WadeAnd I think that's a really different question. And I think that Josh and Kelly with the Dragonfly Earth Medicine concepts around regenerative practices certainly point to one of many Different things that we as humans are going to have to do in order to preserve something like the life we currently enjoy going forward over the next few generations of humans. I have grandchildren and I think this is the real issue of our time.

1:25:34WadeI've been a fervent cannabis advocate for many years, I still am, but I really think what we're doing to the environment Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:26:14SpeakerThat the quality of the air that we're going to produce, we're going to have to, you know, grow, to grow healthy food, we're going to have to possibly grow in greenhouses, filter the air and have cleaned air, you know, places to grow our healthy food and our medicines is a fear that I have.

1:26:30WadeYeah, and I'll just throw one last thing in. I know that some of the farmers that are in this group here, as well as listening to the Hash Church broadcast, may have come to recognize that it's actually more of a challenge to grow food than it is to grow cannabis, especially if you're trying to grow at scale. That's been my experience at least. Just talk about germinating seeds of food crops as compared to germinating cannabis seeds.

1:27:01WadeAnd I'll leave it there. Thank you.

1:27:05SpeakerSame with producing seeds. Celery and other seeds take two years to produce a crop of. So it's, you know, it's more work for sure.

1:27:20SpeakerBy the way, here's one, another one I got from Russia. It's Master Breeder.

1:27:34WadeCongratulations, Sam. You are known all over the world.

1:27:40BubblemanMaster breeder, that's what everyone calls themselves at LPs now. They've turned that into a bad word. Well, master growers. Sometimes I think it should be master baiters, but that's really cool.

1:27:53SpeakerI guess here's another good question on the lighting perspective for a room of intelligent growers is,

1:28:04SpeakerI've heard some people say before that there are varieties that have spent so much time growing indoors that they are indoor varieties, meaning transferring them outdoors, they either don't do as well or can't handle the intensity of the outdoor environment because they've All of these plants have more or less evolved over a 10 year period to be in the environment of an indoor space. Do you guys think there's any amount of truth to that?

1:28:46SpeakerDo you think that there are some plants that after spending too much time indoors has a change in the plant's life and cycle that's noticeable when you were to put it outside? Not from a single year of selection, but if you grew a big crop and selected the most leaning towards indoor performance, and you did that for 10 generations in a row, then you would have made one small step in that direction.

1:29:22WadeI kind of see it, Craig.

1:29:26SpeakerHow's that? There we go. Um, yeah, I, I resonate with what Sam was saying. And I've witnessed it when I've been giving been given some indoor seeds specifically from from that side of things. And sure, they'll, they'll grow. Uh, here are no worries and they'll put out a decent flower, but they might need more structure. They, they might be more airy or more bushy than my liking.

1:29:54SpeakerAnd the plant cannabis plant specifically, I feel is a really quick learner. One, one season, uh, breeding the next year, boom, the, the structure has changed. It can support itself. And then, you know, what Sam was saying, we do that a couple of years in a row. And the phenotypic knowledge starts being passed down and it learns so quickly. And that's a really good thing to talk about.

1:30:22SpeakerI witnessed it probably five years ago. I forget what the cultivar was, but folks that would even tour my garden would go, what is that? It smells amazing. But it didn't have the structure to stand where it was in the garden. It needed to be inside. And it took one season to unlearn that or to learn the new process. This winter. Excuse me. Go ahead. Max, what is the new type of trichome And do you have photos of the hot pie bread with cannabis?

1:31:08SpeakerI do. I do have photos of that stuff.

1:31:15SpeakerI didn't prepare them because I didn't know that that's what we were doing. So I guess I could see if I could quickly open a few files. I also don't know how much I should share before my new book comes out. What about the new trichome? Can you give it its name? Yeah, I can. Well, I can tell you what I want to name it. And apparently I have the opportunity to name it.

1:31:46SpeakerThe, uh, what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to name it after myself. Um, what I thought would be appropriate from a naming perspective though, was something in alignment, um, that, uh, Mashulam, uh, Chris Brown, Where he came up with anandamide, the Sanskrit word for bliss, which also has Hebrew translations and iterations and has some biblical essence and nature in some senses. I am Jewish and I also study the esoteric world.

1:32:30SpeakerI love Kabbalah, Torah, all that kind of stuff. And so with that thought process, I asked what would the seventh Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:33:10SpeakerAnd so this would be the seven. And so this from a name perspective in Hebrew, there's the name in Hebrew that means seven and seven from a miracle perspective is Nessia. And this trichome is also capitate stocked. It has a very long stock and it has a head. But instead of a mushroom shaped head, it's an upside down teardrop shaped head. And all of those trichomes They're a teardrop shaped head.

1:33:44SpeakerSo it's got a really interesting roundness to it with kind of like a point in a dew drop that comes off of it. And then the stock itself is a third of the width of a capitate stocked trichome. So there are these really thin, long stocks with these dew drop shaped heads off the end of them. And so I would name it capitate stocked Nessia. The seventh, the seventh trichome.

1:34:15SpeakerAnd to me, it's a miracle that no one else has scientifically, you know, put the, put a white paper on this yet. And Max, did you find it in all varieties of cannabis or just particularly lean towards a particular white leaf, skinny leaf, equatorial, northern leaf? So I'm not sure of the origin of the geography of the plants at all. I can confirm that I found them in both hemp types and marijuana types.

1:34:53SpeakerAnd

1:35:00SpeakerThe I can show you a picture if you want. I'll find a picture of one. I'll show it to you right now since I'm talking about it. The thing is, is they are very, very, very, very rare. You just rarely see them. And so if you have Instagram and follow these incredible artists that do incredible trichome photography, you see hundreds, if not thousands of microscopic shots of trichomes on a weekly or monthly basis.

1:35:40SpeakerAnd at least I do. And when you look at these trichomes and very, very up close, these images are just incredible. I'm always hunting for these special trichomes that pop up rarely. And when I do find one, And then I have an opportunity to acquire the flower, and I'm able to really look at it myself. You do find those other trichomes within it, and it's extremely exciting.

1:36:13SpeakerAnd then apart from that, I have found multiple new types of trichomes, some of which are trichomes that are non-glandular, that are All of these trichomes are four to five times longer than most of the other trichomes. So these very long curly Q trichomes that are, they're just kind of outrageous. And then I've also found trichomes where the glandular head is in the center of the stock.

1:36:44SpeakerSo instead of the head being on the end of the stock, there's a stock, then there's a glandular head and then the rest of the stock will continue. And apparently that is also a novel trichome as well. And then you, I think a lot of viewers would want to ask, well, who's verifying that all of these crazy trichomes Max is finding are actually novel trichomes? Who's the judge over here when it comes to this kind of stuff?

1:37:13SpeakerAnd that would be a good question to ask. If you know the work of Paul Mulberg, he's a scientist that has done cannabis, cannabinoid, and trichome research for the United States federal government for over 30 years. And his younger lab techs and lab assistants, one of which his name is Dr. Kim from South Korea. And so Dr. Kim is currently in South Korea doing trichome cannabis research.

1:37:44SpeakerAnd is partnered with a team of scientists out here in Colorado, which is CSU University's Cannabis Research Department. And showing images of these trichomes to the scientists. All of those who are very familiar with cannabis trichomes at this level, they are the ones who have verified that what I believe to be is novel is most definitely novel to them in all of their research that they've done.

1:38:16SpeakerAnd so my job is to bring them one of these cannabis plants that is in flower and alive. And so bringing them an alive plant Aaron Wiggins, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:38:50SpeakerIt's not a biop. What's it called? When you take apart a dead body and you like lay it out on the table. You're doing cellular pathology is what you're doing. Thank you, Mark.

1:39:04SpeakerI love how like whenever I'm like this close to like looking like I know what I'm talking about, Mark always steps in and he's like, let me help you out here. Well, yeah, Max, we've talked about Paul Malberg before. I think actually, Sam, don't you know Dr. Kim? I know I've met Dr. Kim. I know Dr. Malberg. I financed their lab for five years of work with cannabis with Carl Hillig.

1:39:34SpeakerThere you go. Your comments are just right on, Dylan.

1:39:40SpeakerChad Cooley, Center for Behavioral Health and Well-Being Health and Well-Being Health and Well-Being Health.

1:40:02SpeakerIt's fun and it's cool when you can share information like this. Well, we stand on the shoulders of giants, including Sam. So, you know, where we are today and what we can do with the plant and cannabinoid science in general are really due to a handful of individuals that walk the face of the earth. One of them who graces our panel today, but others like Paul Mauburg and Raphael Mishum and Roger Adams.

1:40:30SpeakerAnd, and those guys, Ernie Small. I always think of those, those Brits who first made distillate back in the 1890s and called it, yeah, no, this was way before Adams. This was, um, Easterwood, Easterfield, Spivey and Wood, Wood, Spivey and Easterfield, the first people to isolate THC. So, yeah, man, I mean, we stand on the shoulders of all these people, Max, and it's just like when you read and through open access, you could read most of Malberg's research.

1:41:09SpeakerIn fact, there's a website that actually has a list of all Paul Malberg's papers, and there's like 30 of them. I mean, it's amazing. Go ahead. Thank you. And I was just going to ask Bubble Man, if you can grace me with the ability to share my screen, I can show some of these trichomes I'm talking about. Wow, that's amazing. It is showing your screen. That's not my screen.

1:41:36SpeakerWhose photos are those?

1:41:39BubblemanThat's Zoom Gardens and I'll share them afterwards. He has the most incredible, insane mutant macro photographs of cannabis. So while Max was talking about this, I was going, I mean, that last one I just showed was like a trichome that literally had stalks all inside the stalk, but they're also trichomes growing off the stalk. So I just figured it suited the conversation, but I will figure out going in right now and gracing you with the ability To share the screen.

1:42:07BubblemanI don't know why it sets it up so only the host can share, but you should be good to go now, Max.

1:42:13SpeakerAll right. So this is in my book, Interpreting. And if you look on the upper right hand screen, this was the first time I actually ever saw the seventh trichome type. All right, let's move on to the next one. This one is from a friend of mine.

1:42:55SpeakerIt wasn't until after I actually bought this photograph from him and I brought it home and I was looking at it again and I saw the it was really the stock that stood out to me more than anything else. And you can't see the it's little unicorn horn that kind of pulls off the end as well on this photo. But this was the first image that I ever had of these.

1:43:19SpeakerAnd I have many more images of them. And, you know, we used to we were the contract for dope magazine when we judged all of their Uh, cannabis competitions. And I mean, my team of seven sifting through hundreds of types of cannabis microscopically at competitions for years on end in multiple different states. Uh, we found one of these, uh, while we were judging and it was cool to have a team of us guys who know this stuff real well.

1:43:57SpeakerT. All be able to look through a microscope and turn a flower around and continue to see this this one rare trichome that very rarely sticks its head out. T. show up and we could all definitely see it with our own eyes and verify that it was there take pictures of it.

1:44:17SpeakerDo you think this is genetically or environmentally controlled? Do you have any idea of why it has a different shape? Is the waxy cuticle emitted different? Or you understand what I'm getting at? Yeah, and that's the...

1:44:37SpeakerThat's the area that I need a lot of help with, right? Because I'm not a scientist at this level. Well, it would be interesting, Max, if you could find a particular clone or variety where most of the trichomes were this bulbous type, or I forget the name you gave it, but I'll just call it, you know, not round, not oval, but... Tear-shaped upside down. Yeah, I think, you know, this, you know, to me, science is a community.

1:45:17SpeakerThat would show it was genetically controlled. You know, science to me is a community effort. And my role in this has been to be the one to observe it and spend five years trying to find it. Jordan Hale, And getting my hands on the genetic that consistently produces this trichome. Jordan Hale, And, and then growing it out, bringing that to a scientist, a team of scientists at a university, and then letting them officially officiate the fact that this is a new novel trichome.

1:45:54SpeakerAnd then from there, When I have a genetic and I've got the clones, I've got the mothers and I've got a white paper and this is something novel and important, I would definitely be willing to give this plant to someone who would be able to do the type of research that you were just mentioning, Sam. Well, the head shape is important, but it's the stem that is really, really unique, to be honest.

1:46:22SpeakerYeah. Well, and a cannabinoid content. I mean, let's face it, if these things are being grown for cannabinoid content, what is the impact on cannabinoid profile and yield from these? I mean, when I see the more bulbous trichome, I always think conventionally, like, you know, and from reading Malberg's work, where they actually micro catheterize these things to actually suck the juice out of these trichomes. I mean, that the more bulbous the trichome, the more oil that's there, the higher the yield would be, the more mature the cannabis profile would be.

1:47:03SpeakerAlso Mark, does it have a different number of cells inside the resin head that are emitting the cannabinoids and terpenes? That would be, I'm quite curious. Right, like the terpene, so are we referring to the, to the like the lower left-hand side The one where it just looks like it has a head that shriveled up. No, no, no. The upper right-hand side. Yeah, the upper right hand, the top side, unfortunately, in this photograph, the trichome that's centered is the middle trichome, which is a beautiful image of a, what I would consider a perfect capitate stock trichome, if we were judging trichomes.

1:47:49SpeakerRight. But if you go to the farthest trichome on the very right, The stock of the teardrop. I see now my Zoom speaker panel was covering that, Max. I could see it now. Oh, well, welcome to the party, Mark. Checking the trichomes. No, I can see it. So it comes to a point at the very end. Okay, I see. And the stem is a quarter the thickness of the big fat stems of the other trichomes.

1:48:18SpeakerYeah, so wouldn't you worry that that would make these trichomes brittle? Yes. Okay. So that'd be a real drag if you tried to make cash and the trichomes stems were brittle and that resin fell off really easy when you wanted it to. Real bummer. Well, you know what I was hearing and I've heard this now twice in like as many weeks, Sam, is that these high CBG varieties, especially the white, there's a variety called the white that's a very high variety in CBG.

1:48:53SpeakerIt's, it's, um, We're on here in North America and it's like anywhere between 13 to 18% CBG, hardly any THC at all. And they said, that's what they said. The issue with that is that, you know, harvesting and getting the material to the lab is very, very crucial because the trichomes are so brittle. You get a lot of loss and just handling plant material.

1:49:16Collin PalmerHey, Mark, this is some CBG right here that I'm holding up. If you can see that, that's some, some sift. Nice. Yeah, I'd have to.

1:49:26SpeakerWhat percentage CBT?

1:49:27Collin PalmerWhat's it analyzed for? So it's on the flower was, I think, 12 to 15 percent, depending on the batch. And then the hash came in around or the sift, I should say, came around and, you know, anywhere from 60 to 70.

1:49:48SpeakerReally? 70% CBG.

1:49:51Collin PalmerYep.

1:49:52SpeakerI'm surprised it was green.

1:49:54Collin PalmerCBGA.

1:49:55BubblemanThere he is. I was waiting, Mark.

1:49:58Collin PalmerCBGA. So yeah, Sam, this is just tipped. It's quite nice, actually. I like the effects from CBG. It's really interesting. Very uplifting.

1:50:11SpeakerAnd the turf profile and those isolates are pretty... I mean, it's nice. It's like a good product, right?

1:50:17Collin PalmerIt's okay. I mean, it just depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for a more hempy profile, then it's right up your alley. If you're looking for a drug cultivar, really terpy, you know, it's not really that.

1:50:33SpeakerIs it background Yugoslavian?

1:50:38Collin PalmerIn terms of the CBG, the lineage of it? Yes. So I got this stuff. This is Oregon CBG, CBD, CBG. So wherever, I don't know what, I don't know the background on the white, to be honest.

1:50:53SpeakerI came in from Switzerland. Those guys brought those, those genetics in from Switzerland. I saw it happen like two years over a period of like two years, Sam. They had this variety over in Europe last year. Then the next thing I know, those guys all formed LLCs in Oregon. And the next year, I guess my question is, where did the Swiss get it from? From the Italians?

1:51:22SpeakerAnd the Italians, I know where they got it from, from the Ukrainians.

1:51:26BubblemanYou know what? I want to add something in real quick. The picture he has up there now, I have seen, I have pictures of these for sure, Max, that I can go through and send you. I always thought it was a systolic hair that, because I'd seen trichomes break off and land on other components that weren't necessarily growing there. So have I, Marcus. What's that?

1:51:49SpeakerSo have I seen what you've seen. But heads can fly around and be stuck on things that didn't produce them.

1:51:58BubblemanYeah, I always thought of this as like, but then again, it is such a like, it's too long of a hair. It's too straight.

1:52:07SpeakerYeah. And so the I like like you guys, I've also seen trichomes that the head has broken off and now it's Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:52:46SpeakerExactly. And I want people to look into this. I want. Justin Delacruz, Jr.: University scientists to say I want them to be the ones to say this is scientifically real and novel because. Justin Delacruz, Jr.: i'm the passionate. Justin Delacruz, Jr.: You know cannabis enthusiast interpreter expert. Justin Delacruz, Jr.: i'm just the one who says, I think this is novel and i'll bring this to you and so that that's what i've but it's also taken me five years.

1:53:16SpeakerAaron Wiggins, To find the variety and confirm that it is what it is and then get seed from it. Aaron Wiggins, And it's it's it's been you could write a novel on. Aaron Wiggins, How crazy this has been. Aaron Wiggins, These trichomes here, you know there's.

1:53:39SpeakerIt's also really interesting how mushroom-like trichomes appear. And what's really interesting is the fruiting body of LSD is also extremely phallic and mushroom-like. I don't know if you guys have ever seen the fruiting body of ergot fungus that produces... Aspergillus clovatus. Yeah, I have that tattooed to my kneecap. But it looks just so mushroomy. And so yeah, you see this cluster of mushroom looking trichomes here. And it appears like that almost maybe that brittle factor where you said the trichome heads might have fallen off those two trichomes right here.

1:54:24SpeakerIt's either this has a very tiny head with a point coming out of it. And the one behind it looks like its head fell off. But these are the trichomes that have a stem that is a third the width of a typical capitate stocked trichome width. You can see the capitate stocked trichome down to the lower right right there. And yeah, this is that bizarre bulbous shaped head, which is not your classic capitate stocked shaped head.

1:54:59SpeakerAnd then the rest of the trichome continuing off from that head. That is not a mutation, I don't think. And I also don't think that's a trichome that broke off and fell somewhere else. I really do believe that between this image and the other images that you have, we're seeing varieties of this type of trichome. Well, that was my first question, Max. I'm not an expert on plant trichomes.

1:55:34SpeakerI do know a couple, though. But what's to say that this just isn't some sort of phenotype mutation that is just kind of like a blur, you know what I mean? Like it's just either induced by some type of environmental factor or some other anomaly that's producing that. Well, there's one variety that

1:56:05SpeakerWhen I found it had this trichome on it, we said, OK, it's this variety. And I secured some of that variety that was grown in the East Coast. I secured some that was grown in the Midwest. I secured some that was grown up north, and I'm growing it right now in Colorado.

1:56:33SpeakerAnd so. Different environments in different geographies are seemingly to produce the same trichome based off of the genetic that it is. And so I don't think it's an environmental stress factor that's causing these trichomes to abruptly change their shape. I think this is a type of cannabis plant that is growing a new type of trichome that is I think that's what it is. And that's why I've been dedicated to securing the genetic, growing it out, making a relationship with university scientists to confirm that.

1:57:20SpeakerRight? So I'm not... Just to be clear, the cannabis that you're finding these different trichomes It's not exclusively those that you're finding those intermingled with regular looking trichomes and trichomes that we've always seen. Yes. So these are just sort of like a minor, you know, type of trichome that you're finding the more you're looking at these close up images of trichomes. Do we know if they've been there all along, Sam?

1:57:54SpeakerAnd maybe, you know, Max's discovery here is just... Anything is possible. But what I'd like to say is that if you can find a variety where the majority of the trichomes are of this phenotype or genotype, whatever they are, then it's probably genetically controlled. If you can find one out of a thousand or one out of a million, and you can only find it on some plants and not other plants, then yeah, maybe the environment should be looked at more.

1:58:30SpeakerI really don't know if it could be environmental or not. But if it's real, we want to know and we want to track down and if it's genetically controlled, you can create a variety that all of the resin heads are like that or 99% of them. That's what I was going to say. Have you tried to breed with any of it and make those observations? I mean, I know it's early and it would take a ton of... What you need to do is sell it to find individuals that have more, a higher incidence.

1:59:08SpeakerHere's some jar rot trichomes for you.

1:59:13SpeakerI think this was the white. I was looking for when you, one of you, yeah, this is the white, I'm pretty sure. Because the white produces just the most bizarre trichomes that there are. They are capitate stocked trichomes. Are these the high CBG varieties, Max? Yes, yes, yes, they are. And, you know, they call the plant the white. Here it is. This is the white. They call it the white because the white, white, white as white could be in.

1:59:48SpeakerAnd what's so interesting is it's a different kind of white. Then ripe trichomes, when they emanate fullness, when their glandular heads are full of chemistry and they're at a ripening point prior to degradation, it's different. Because that type of white is almost this creamy white, this mother of pearl white. And what this high CBG variety produces is trichomes that are glowing, bright white. Okay, so let's just say that there's like, you know, in the paint store, there's a difference between like eggshell white and bright white that is almost like So, you know, there's, there's a difference in brightness.

2:00:40SpeakerThis, this high CBG grows these trichomes that are glowing bright white in all of the glandular heads are white and the stocks of the heads are white too. And that's what makes this variety striking. It really, it's striking. And so, How does that work? Why is that happening? Why is the white producing trichomes that are just this unique? Well, you stopped the cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway at not its endpoint, at its penultimate endpoint, right?

2:01:21SpeakerBut I don't know if the physiological characteristics of the trichome itself Is related to the fact that these things are CBGA factories and not making THCA or CBDA or the other miners. Have you seen the chemical profile on these? If you rub these white resins from a fresh plant that looks like that, is it just as sticky as a normal THC high plant? I, from a, from an aroma perspective.

2:02:06SpeakerNo, rub your fingers on the resin. Is it as sticky and oily as a THC variety? So, unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure to grow this plant out myself. Yeah, I can answer the question. Yes, Sam. Oh, okay. Well, I'm just trying to get to a reason that makes logical sense. I took a couple tops off of plants that an Amish farmer had down in Maryland down the road, took it back to my lab, did an alcohol extraction, and got like a 99.8% pure CBGA extract from these things.

2:02:53SpeakerSo these things are CBGA factories, man, and hardly any THC in that variety at all. But here's an interesting thing is that, you know, a couple of weeks later, that same variety had about one or 2% THC. So there's a lot of timing that needs to go into harvesting if you're harvesting for CBG. And Mark, maybe you can talk about this as well, but this variety, the people who, All of these people who sell this variety in seed in the United States have made this a seedless variety.

2:03:30SpeakerAnd for all of the viewers out there who might not know what we're talking about, you know how you can go to the grocery store and buy a watermelon that is just natural and it comes packed full of seed? And then you can buy a genetically modified watermelon that is just seedless or grapes that are seedless or apples that are seedless. This variety, I think if you go online and possibly buy Oregon seed, they might be the ones that sell this, but you can buy this plant and grow a field of it.

2:04:03SpeakerBut if you wanted to grow a field of it again, I guess if you, I'm sure you can clone it. But I just found it really interesting that this is a seedless variety. And I've got my hands on pounds of this stuff in a variety of different ways. And every time I've come in contact with it, just to answer Sam's question, from my perspective, is The plant was extraordinarily dehydrated.

2:04:35SpeakerIt had no aroma profile whatsoever. It had no stickiness whatsoever. It was a very dry texture and smell aroma experience. And it almost was disappointing, like it didn't have a lot to offer other than the fact that it looked nutty with its crazy white trichomes. And it's pretty crazy to find a plant with this much biomass with that amount of cannabigerol that late in the flowering cycle.

2:05:09SpeakerBecause I'm pretty sure we all know that CBG is the mother cannabinoid that starts building the others and that that process happens really early on in flower. And that's why you don't typically find a lot of CBG when you harvest your plant at the end of the cycle. The fact that this plant is being harvested at the end of its cycle and the damn thing is packed full of CBG, it's crazy.

2:05:33SpeakerBut from us like marijuana lovers, it's not a ooey, gooey, sticky, funky, skunky herb. It's just not. At least what I came in contact with. And then I was sifting through pounds of this stuff looking for a seed desperately. And you just, not even the remnants of a seed, not even a hollow bract casing that would hold a seed, no seed whatsoever. This is a seedless variety from the producers who produce it.

2:06:08SpeakerOf course, I'm sure you can find this variety that does produce seed. I'm just saying in the marketplace, currently in the largest amount, this is a seedless variety.

2:06:21SpeakerHey, Max. Could you show us the Pinkelberry photo?

2:06:27SpeakerYeah, you know who I got these from? Jesse. No, no, no, Certified Dank. Yep. Yeah, I think I'm going to use one of these in my new book if I can squeeze it in. I think this is the one, and I just posted this on the Tricom Institute Instagram page, but I'm just...

2:06:52SpeakerAlways in awe when you see style stigma that is just that striking. It's just, when you talk about weed porn, that is just unreal. Yeah, it's beautiful. We're actually growing the Pinkle Berry by Coffee, Kai's Coffee, this year. It's a collaboration those guys did. So we're super excited to have it here in Southern Humboldt and see how it looks and does.

2:07:24SpeakerRight on. I've seen Afghan plants that would produce those colors of hairs. For gee whiz, the first ones I saw was in the 70s.

2:07:36BubblemanYeah, I'll never forget the first time I photographed pink hairs under the macro. And it just, I mean, even just one or two of them were so striking and so incredible that I remember giggling.

2:07:53SpeakerYeah, Coyote Blue does that as well. And every once in a while, you can dry it, cure it and revisit it. And you can still see some of that color that doesn't always happen. It's a very special, special thing when you when you go revisit it and you you see the color variations. It's beautiful. Hey, Craig, does that coffee that you're working with, does it have a distinct and noticeable coffee aroma to it, or is it just called coffee?

2:08:36SpeakerThis is my first time working with it. It came from, the seeds came from Green Source, and they worked with Kai's Coffee. So I'm just, I'm going on. Does, in fact, have a coffee. It's an Afghani. I was actually just texting with Kaya himself just now. Yeah, so it's an out of Afghani stock that he made and it definitely has a chocolatey coffee. I almost, I've only had it a couple of times, so I'm going off memory, but it's almost reminiscent of Gorilla Glue, but different, you know, where Gorilla Glue to me is more chocolate.

2:09:16SpeakerI was at Justin Calvino's place in Mendocino. And he was showing me this coffee. And I was just doing backflips. I was over the moon excited. Because coffee is my second favorite drug. And I love coffee and cannabis together. I have mugs that have coffee and cannabis together. I mean, they just it's just, they just love it. But the in cannabis is just I mean, what other thing in the world smells like blueberry or cat piss?

2:09:52SpeakerSmells like skunk or like lemonade punch. Smells like tangerines or dog shit. Smells exactly like coffee. I mean, this plant can mimic the identical aroma profiles of beverages, food, and fecal matter Like a pro. And you just think that like coffee would be like, oh, this guy is stoned and just imagines this smells like coffee. It's like, no, smell it. This smells like coffee. This cannabis plant smells like coffee.

2:10:33SpeakerI got so excited and Calvino was like, yeah, I just rescued this one little clone. And it like looked like sad and sickly on the side. And he's like, there's no more of this anywhere left. He's like, this is the last of the coffee. And I was terrified that we were going to lose this like amazing plant. And I've always wanted to do a pairing. Um, at a, uh, with, uh, coffee cuppers.

2:10:57SpeakerI don't know if you guys know that like a wine sommelier, sommelier, uh, cannabis interpreter, interpreting, um, you know, you're a beer Cicerone, you're a cheese monger, uh, you're a tobaccoist, but you are a coffee cupper. And if you guys haven't seen the 30 minute documentary on coffee experts, some of which is actually shown in California where these crazy Californians are growing coffee as a vine horizontally instead of letting the tree grow up vertically.

2:11:32SpeakerI think you can find that on Vice. I think it's called something like Coffee Land to Mecca, Coffee Land Mecca. But if you look that up, you will see these people that are just so enthralled with coffee. But I'm sorry for that rant. I just got excited that you have this variety, Craig. So I would love to do something with that, a coffee pairing with coffee. They also do it with tea.

2:12:02SpeakerWith cigars, I mean, cheese, just on and on and on.

2:12:11SpeakerAnd only in Japan are you considered a tea master.

2:12:16SpeakerWell, I think China produces more tea and some really fancy ones. From a product perspective, I'm sure China does. But from a hospitality perspective, I don't think anybody serves tea the way that a Japanese formal tea party is done. It's a pretty elaborate ceremony, if you will. I've got to say good day to everybody.

2:12:51SpeakerWe've got lots and lots of nursery stock out there that needs to be up potted and implanted and cared for. So I want to thank everyone today for this time and space. I appreciate y'all.

2:13:07Johnny BGood to see you, buddy.

2:13:14BubblemanGood luck. Never get the farmers for more than a couple hours. Take care, Joshua.

2:13:20Johnny BYou got to work on plants.

2:13:25SpeakerI have some mycology projects today I need to get to and a couple hundred cacti I need to move.

2:13:37SpeakerMax, are you showing the hops? cannabis or are you saving that till next week yeah thanks for getting on what uh what uh thanks for getting onto that i want to hear about that man i'm i my top three are hops or our beer coffee and cannabis so when you're talking about coffee i light up and then i totally spaced on that but i i wanted to get to that big time yeah all right let me see okay you guys

2:14:13SpeakerYou pull all my, all these secrets out of me. Cause I'm trying to like, you know, do the science on these trichomes before other people do. I'm trying, I would never, you know, go on something as big as hash church with as many. You've got some of the world's experts. Let me tell you. Yeah. Well, and you know what, and that's why I appreciate when you guys confirm that what I think I've discovered might actually be Uh, something worth, worth sharing.

2:14:47SpeakerUh, these are all cannabis and hops, uh, hybrids.

2:15:00SpeakerAnd so this, this is a vine that is producing hop cones and the hot, right. And the hop cone will grow downward, kind of like a little, uh, Right, it's a little hop, it's a hop cone. These hop cones are covered in glandular trichomes that are producing 17% THC, 8% CBD. And so you can grow a wall of these hops up the side of your house in vine-like ways and pull the mature cones off of the plants.

2:15:35SpeakerIs that based on dried weighted plant material, those percentages? Yes. So can you repeat that again, Max? Yeah, so you're looking right now, you're actually looking at microscopic trichomes pictures of this hybrid of humulus and cannabis. And you can, these are the glandular trichomes that are producing anywhere between, I think, 12 to 17% THC and upwards of 5 to 8% CBD.

2:16:10SpeakerAnd the cones are smokable. This is a great image of the plant. You can definitely tell that this is not anything like duck foot or any of the other webbed foot varieties because of the rest of the shape of the leaf. Notice how there's no ridges in the leaf. Right, like if this was duck foot, you would see leaf ridging. And look at the trichome matter coming out of this hop plant.

2:16:43SpeakerI mean, that is really quite cannabis indicative. This is the plant, this is a cannabis hop plant. And this one is growing, this one took on more of the form of the cannabis plant and less hop wine. So this is really like a bushy kind of cannabis plant, but it is not 100% cannabis. This one is another great example, but this one does have the leaf ridging.

2:17:15SpeakerAnd the reason why is because this is not the same genetic as the last one. What I can tell you about this genetic is this was actually ruteralis that was crossbred with the type of hop plant that receives the cannabis genetics as a cross. Max, is he producing corn, corms, like from what a hop root is, or is it producing seeds? It is producing seeds. The hop plant and cannabis both produce seed.

2:17:59SpeakerWhat's the terpene profile like? Hasn't been tested yet. Does it also have rhizomes? Reproduce that way? Yeah, that's what I was referring to by crops. I don't know the proper term. I am not growing this plant. And the gentleman who created the first variety that actually took and turned into an F7 humulus cannabis is in Europe.

2:18:32SpeakerThis is a friend of mine who got ahold of the genetic in the United States and crossed it with some marijuana types that he was hybridizing indoors in his basement. And so this is a cannabis leaf That took on the shape of that hop plant I was showing you that has the duck foot, but without the leaf ridging. And so here you have a cannabis leaf that actually took on the smooth leaf edge instead of the ridged edging.

2:19:08SpeakerAnd that's carried down from that hop line and that hop genetic. And so these genetics are, they're brand spanking new in the world of Aaron Wiggins, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students, Dean of Students,

2:19:43SpeakerYou know, cannabis genetics. And I think that's what you're seeing here with other cannabis farmers breeding into the genetic or breeding the genetic into cannabis. And really, this just produces a thousand more questions than it does answers, right? What is this? What's the terpene profile? What's the trichomes look like? I think these are passionate farmers and breeders T. John McCormick, Jr.: Doing what they do best, which is just growing this stuff out and seeing what they get, but these guys aren't putting this stuff under microscopes.

2:20:18SpeakerT. John McCormick, Jr.: Nor are they bringing this stuff to universities to study. T. John McCormick, Jr.: The genome profile with in that way. And so I, I hope to just assist these passionate breeders. Um, and, uh, by, by helping them bring some of these genetics to universities and other places to produce some white papers on this stuff, because without question, this is new stuff. This is brand new stuff, um, in cannabis for sure.

2:20:52SpeakerIt's no longer in Canada. It's no longer cannabis, exactly. Yeah, now we're getting into new territory.

2:20:59BubblemanWell, very trippy, dude. Thanks for sharing. That was... Yeah, totally.

2:21:03SpeakerThank you. You're welcome. I mean, it's an honor, right? Like, this is... Well, it'd be interesting to dab those concentrates. Like, what would it concentrate from those, right? I mean, I go right to that, right? It would be, yeah, of course you go, right? Citra Kush, Citra Kush, man, all day. If it's got THC and CBD in it, why wouldn't they get you high? I guess that's the question.

2:21:31SpeakerIt does get you high, yeah. And so this is like, how cool is it? Like we're now growing, and like, and you know, because I'm writing about this stuff in the new interpreting book, I did get the breeder of this hop. Um, cannabis hybrid on the phone. And I did interview him about this. I got the whole backstory, all the different genetics, what went down, where it went down, how it happened.

2:21:53SpeakerUm, so I'm writing about all of that in my new book. Um, are you going to drop, uh, his name? Yeah, yeah, in locations and all those things. So you got to get the book. So, but he confirmed that the purpose of this, right, like he wasn't trying to produce a new species of plant, you know, to get on the cover of National Geographic. But I think that could be that could This could be, that could be one of those things.

2:22:26SpeakerHis goal was to try to do something similar to the ABC genetic, right? Can you produce a cannabis plant that produces cannabis incognito so that Becky next door and the sheriff across the street don't notice that you've got ganja growing in your yard, right? That's kind of, And that was his goal, right? What could I produce hops that could grow as a hops plant that just so happened to be cannabinoid rich in a way in which I could smoke it?

2:23:01SpeakerSo could I just grow a big hop vine on the side of my house And just not have to deal with plant counts or if it's medical, is it legal? Do I have a license for it? It's like, fuck it. Fuck everything. I'm just going to grow a vine up the side of my house. And if it gets me high, well, then you can come over for my backyard barbecue and try some of my hops vine.

2:23:27SpeakerSo that's, I've confirmed that that was the purpose. Do they also function like hops? Like, can you make beer from them? You know what? I have no idea why you wouldn't be able to. And I need to get my hands on this genetic and work with it because I need to explore a lot of these things. But it there. It's weird. My understanding of it is, you know, the.

2:24:00SpeakerThe plant that produces gin, juniper, Jesus. You know that juniper is either a tree or a bush. And like when you're out in the mountains of Colorado, you see juniper bushes, and then you also see juniper trees. It's really interesting. I think half of these hybrids are more hop like. And they grow more vines that produce cones that have trichomes on them that are cannabinoid rich. And I think the others produce bushes that are more like cannabis plants that grow more bud.

2:24:39SpeakerAnd so the ones that are more like hot plants that grow more like vines, I would have to imagine you could brew as Cannabrew, which is a name that I federally trademarked in 2009 when I thought I was going to Produce cannabis beer instead of starting a cannabis education company, which sometimes I still wonder which I should have done.

2:25:07BubblemanThat's cool, man. Very, very cool. I like it. I'll be checking out the book when it comes out and we'll see. We'll go deeper into this. I'm sure Nick Ziegler would have been very interested to hear this today. I'll have to send them the link later. I did want to share a couple of your shots, Best Friend Farmer, and maybe you could tell us a little bit about these shots, dude, because I've really been enjoying these shots.

2:25:33BubblemanYou're making these like dessert-like shots that you're taking on your Instagram. What's going on here?

2:25:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh, that one, I can look at it. That's a 120 micron gas mask, indoor, air dried. Ash Rosin Cake on that one with a beehive stamp.

2:25:56BubblemanDude, it's just lovely. This one also, I was just...

2:26:00Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you. Yeah, I like that one a lot. That's kind of like, I was on this comfort food kind of tip, you know, where I was even going back to the foods that my mom made growing up with. It's kind of eerie almost how closely connected and personal the hash is to me and those type of foods, which I don't really eat anymore, but I'm gluten-free for five years, so I'd have to go GF, but that one is actually...

2:26:27SpeakerApparently Colin likes this too.

2:26:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt looks like an apple cider donut. Yeah, Colin actually I think was the one that said it looked like an apple cider donut with maple glazing on it. That one is... On the outside? What's that?

2:26:48BubblemanRoss and all along the outside. It's all just so well done.

2:26:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you. You know, I did that by just personal. Sorry, go ahead.

2:27:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsI just I had fun with that one right there, man. That was like all of these I actually did by hand. A couple of them on a Sunday even and just kind of like escape from all the industry stuff, which is so. And I, you know, to kind of go back to some artistic touch on it, stuff I like to do. And I just kind of had fun with the smear and, and yeah, I remember doing it kind of just like drawing almost and, and just had fun with it.

2:27:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I have it with me here. I can show you the actual scale size.

2:27:33BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Show us the actual scale size, but also like, what do you got? You got like a rosin splotch along the bottom and then you got like a bubble donut with some like diamonds and sauce poured over it or something like what?

2:27:44Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh man, so that's a 90 micron air dried whole plant cured flour indoor bubble hash for the actual donut. And then that's a 90 micron air dried whole plant fresh frozen. That's some air dried fresh frozen. I get a lot of the tannin richness on my air dry, but it's just as saucy. It'll never go stable. It's just sauce. And then it's all in line gas mask, all three.

2:28:11Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd then I got a 120 micron Again, air dried whole plant cured flower crumble on the sieve portion. So that's just like some chunk that we didn't press and kind of the cool thing is with air dried is we're seeing some different texture and tan and richness differences that you don't really get when you have just fresh frozen or freeze dried. So Kind of fun. We're actually applying some of the darker tan and stuff and it's none of it's BS though.

2:28:42Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's all melty. I'd like to melt the whole donut sometime. Let's try to share the video.

2:28:46BubblemanLet's see the size of it.

2:28:49Bryan Best Friend FarmsAll right. I got it ready to go. The donut's actually pretty small.

2:29:01BubblemanPulls out a Bundt cake.

2:29:06Bryan Best Friend FarmsLook at this thing.

2:29:12Bryan Best Friend FarmsSorry for my dirty farmer hands. I definitely have my dirty farmer hands. It's all good.

2:29:17Johnny BI'm just going to imagine I'm going to do it right now.

2:29:23BubblemanThat is absolutely awesome. I want to do just the last one.

2:29:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's my cookie though, guys. That's a one-ouncer right there.

2:29:33BubblemanOh, I haven't... I'm just about to hit your cookie right now, so let's look at it on the screen. What the hell?

2:29:38Johnny BLike, how come you're not my neighbor? I just actually added you to my Instagram. What about this one before?

2:29:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsJesus. That's the whoopie pie. That's like some comfort food from home for mom. Let's do the scale. I got to dig it up. It's tiny. I did a couple micros, kind of like making micro models type thing, you know, too. It's so fun, like art. And then... This guy's fun.

2:30:09BubblemanOh, wow.

2:30:14BubblemanI just have to say, if you talk, you talk, then it'll go on you, but it was on me first and then it went on to John. So show that again, but also talk.

2:30:29Bryan Best Friend FarmsAll right. So this one here. Oops, I'm having a hard time showing it. I'm trying to get it down. There it is. That's your guy. It's been kind of pressed up in the parchment. I just tried to preserve them. I might auction them off at a local dispensary friend's shop for benefit or something.

2:30:49SpeakerI'm going to make more.

2:30:52Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's a whoopie pie. I don't know what they call them down there, but that's what we call them up here, whoopie pies.

2:31:00SpeakerWhoopie pie, yeah.

2:31:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, that one is actually gas mask in the middle for a rosin. I think that's a 120 micron air dried indoor. And then those were some has cap, which was Sunday is Sunday brunch by great pie on some broad spectrum air dried stuff, you know, kind of wider broad spectrum. And that's the cookie. That's the scale. And I can show you guys again. The cookie amazes me how much it looks like an unbaked cookie.

2:31:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's kind of crazy.

2:31:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsThere's that guy.

2:31:41SpeakerWhat are the chocolate chips made out of?

2:31:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsChocolate chips are broad spectrum also, kind of like a wider broad spectrum from trim hash, bubble hash, all air dried and kind of long air dry on that stuff, maybe even up to like three weeks. So it's got the tannin richness to it. And then I'll just check myself real quick to make sure because it's been a minute.

2:32:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo the chips are two grams. They're a quarter gram each and it's gas mask actually, broad spectrum air dried. From the trim and the littles. And then the cookie was a 26 gram gas mass, 90 micron air dried. And it was just this bubble hash that on the gas mass cultivar is one of those that speaks to the real blonde, creamy, greasy hash. And I've talked about it before.

2:32:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's just one of those special hash plants. And it kind of retains its creaminess and greasy feel even later on. It still has, the cookie still has it right now, so.

2:32:43SpeakerIt sounded like when you were like describing what these different things were. I was just laughing because it just sounded like such. I don't know. I love it. That was great. It's fun.

2:32:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I've had a lot of fun.

2:32:57SpeakerYou're an artist.

2:32:59Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I really appreciate it.

2:33:00BubblemanSomeone should do a book.

2:33:05BubblemanThank you so much for joining us today. We're going to get started in about a minute or so. We're going to get started.

2:33:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd I'd love to share show more of them for sure. That's one from way back and I was going to bring that up to mention that one of the things that motivated me besides the comfort food connection art thing and love for hash was that people just kept dropping bombs for comments on the Instagram when it came to these type of hash things from the air dried that we were doing that we make and kind of just Really struck me to where why not make these food items specifically in design towards, you know, looking like that, that food and hash connection.

2:34:08Bryan Best Friend FarmsThere's definitely something there just like with the, with the terpene talk that we're doing with the close connection to the human that these, these terpene profiles, I believe are speaking out to humans to connect with us and have them, well, that for them, they survive by doing that longer.

2:34:32SpeakerThat's wild.

2:34:34Johnny BLast night I was eating some chocolate and as I grabbed up a piece of, I thought it was chocolate, it was hash, I started eating it and I realized that, wow, so when you're saying that and looking at the chocolate chips, I'm like, I got a chocolate chip. Just, it's awesome.

2:34:49Bryan Best Friend FarmsI've almost eaten a few of the pieces. They just look tasty.

2:34:54Johnny BWell, they are. You can just like break off a little like chocolate chip. That looks like creme brulee.

2:35:00Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's what I've heard before on that. That's some bubble cream right there. A recent gas mask again.

2:35:06SpeakerThese are concentrate confections.

2:35:14Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's wild. It's wild. The connection, it just seems to be there already. That's some good classic kind of broad spectrum stuff right there too, I think.

2:35:30SpeakerGentlemen, I've got some mycology to attend to. I'm going to go bake some horse shit in my oven before the fiance gets home. It's her favorite.

2:35:40BubblemanGood call. Good call.

2:35:43SpeakerBut you guys rock. Thanks so much for having me back. I appreciate it.

2:35:46BubblemanYeah, thanks, Max. Always a pleasure, man. Enjoy your Sunday afternoon. See you guys.

2:35:52SpeakerSee you, Max. Thanks for the learning. Yeah, bye, guys.

2:35:56BubblemanYeah, that was mad fun. I should get going here soon as well. I really did enjoy the hash confectuary quarterly that we just did. Let's inspire more of you to take a book out of a page out of Best Friend Farms book and produce some really cool dessert looking hashes. I'm telling you, like I don't do books, but there's...

2:36:19SpeakerI'm down.

2:36:21BubblemanYeah, someone do a book, man. I want that book. And the photos need to be high quality so you can put them on a very nice size, very high quality paper, you know, coffee table book, hash dabbing book.

2:36:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh, man. I'm way down. Hit me up on it. I'm going to make more hash food in the meanwhile. Still sweets, but I got a few ideas.

2:36:43SpeakerBut also make nice postcards. And you don't say what they really are. You just give them some

2:36:53SpeakerFood name. Totally.

2:36:57BubblemanYeah, it's true. It's all true. Well, listen, everybody. Thanks for coming out for Hash Church episode 23 today. I superly appreciate each and every one of you. Let's try and do it again next week. I'll try to give people more forewarning than a couple of hours. So thanks, everybody. Peace out.

2:37:17Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you. Thank you, Marcus.

2:37:19BubblemanThanks, everyone.

2:37:19SpeakerThanks, Marcus. The recording has stopped.

2:37:25BubblemanAll right, peace everybody.