Cannabis Activism and Medical Science

0:13BubblemanAll right, everybody. Looks like we're a go here. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Sunday morning at 9am. Hash Church 5.0 episode 21. Episode 21. Holy shit. How did we get to episode 21 already? Last episode of 2024. I will say we are here fastly approaching the new year. So... I'm hoping we get some folks in today as Diana just reminded me that Hemp Guy, Skunk Man Sam did not have the link for the show today.

0:47BubblemanI usually send the show out every week in an email and it sounds like I forgot to do that, which is probably why we do not have too many people in the chat or in the panel room just yet. I also can't see your cameras, guys, both Hemp Guy and I'm guessing that's you, Dr. David. Start up the machine. Start up the machine. I hear you nicely, though.

1:12BubblemanGood morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. There's Mr. Skunk Man Sam. Oh, I saw a little bit of your beard. It's always a little treat when we get a little peek, a little tiny peek of the mysterious Skunk Man Sam. How are you feeling this week, Sam? I'm alive. Well, that's I'm in the same boat, bro.

1:36BubblemanI'm not going to complain. I quite like it. Oh, we got another iPhone coming in. Hey, Dr. David Allen, dude. How you doing? Good morning. Good morning. It's good to see you.

1:48SpeakerI'm proud to be here.

1:50BubblemanThat's awesome. Well, you should be. You're an honored guest for sure. Johnny B coming in on the sideways with the tilted camera. What's going on there, Johnny B? And you're muted. Oh, my goodness. Etienne Fontaine. Good morning, John.

2:07SpeakerGood morning. How you doing, brother? Man, there you are. Right here.

2:15BubblemanThere he is.

2:21BubblemanOh, that was you, Johnny B. You what?

2:23SpeakerYou what? I said, I'm just driving now. I was just talking with Brian. And he's like, oh, there's the link. I'm like, perfect timing. So here we are. I'll be at home in like 20 minutes. And I figured, hey, it's a quick click, you know, with the car. Just hit a button.

2:38BubblemanAbsolutely. Dr. David Allen, remember I was going to introduce you to Etienne? There's Etienne. Good morning. Good morning. Etienne is, you guys know a lot of the same people. He's been doing the California activism thing for a very long time. And you're both good friends with Elvie.

3:00SpeakerOh, nice.

3:01Etienne FontanWell, Elvie was my teacher. She was my mamacita on the tour. Back in 93 and 94, I got to go through 40 different, well, actually 47 different states with Elvie.

3:15SpeakerOh, nice.

3:16Etienne FontanDoing rallies, teach-ins and tours. And I was a very young cannabis activist. I had just gotten out of service in the military and I'd served in Desert Storm and sustained some injuries and found myself as a medical cannabis patient before Proposition 215 passed. And so Elvie was kind of my guide because, you know, she had sued the government. Yeah. For cannabis. So she was teaching me what I could say, what I can't say, you know, because I was just a young activist on the road.

3:54Etienne FontanSo I was a little more looser than I probably should have been with my language and everything else. So she kind of taught me to be better in my speaking as well as how to confront the police, you know, because she was always a curiosity.

4:12BubblemanConfronting the police.

4:14Etienne FontanYou know, she was a curiosity because 99.99% of the police that we ran into had no idea there was such a thing as legal weed. What an education. Say again?

4:29SpeakerWhat an education you got.

4:32Etienne FontanOh, it was, yeah, OJT, right? On the job training all the time. So, you know, we would go to a rally and the police were like, I smell marijuana. And they'd come over and like, what are you doing? And she's like, I'm illegal. Whips out her tin, whips out her note. And their eyes are always like, what? You know, they've never been debriefed on how to handle a federal medical marijuana person anything, right?

5:02Etienne FontanThis is the mid 90s, you know, early to mid 90s. So I mean, there was no understanding of what it was. So she was constantly having to whip out her paperwork and say, No, I sued the government and this is the tin and this is what it looks like. And it just turned into a kind of a gawk fest for people because, you know, she wasn't really known in the media, right?

5:27Etienne FontanShe wasn't, there wasn't a whole bunch of, you know, whiz bang about medical cannabis back then. So it caught all the reporters in the, you know, the curious line of what is going on here? Yeah, it was just always a constant struggle for people to realize the realities that they were existing in. And she challenged the dominant paradigm everywhere we went. And that as a tool was amazing because there's not many women who were parents who had gone blind that had been busted in their home that had their entire community rally behind them and then when she sued the government and then eventually won her cannabis um i mean she became a um A minor celebrity in the sense that people just didn't know how to handle cannabis in any way, shape, or form besides just let it go away.

6:34Etienne FontanYou know, they didn't know how to consider that

6:39Etienne FontanThere was a potential legal reality to it. And the biggest thing was fascinating to watch them struggle with was they had always gone into automatic arrest mode. I mean, they would come over hands on their handcuffs all ready to whip them out. And then to watch them not have that ability literally taken from them was absolutely fascinating to watch. Wow. Go into, you know, play and watch them try to struggle with the legalities because you can watch the brain spinning like, okay, I'm gonna arrest her, but I can't arrest her.

7:21Etienne FontanI can't arrest her. I can't arrest her. And to watch those series of emotions flow through their face. Was worth the price of admission. I mean, granted, it was free, but it was still to see the challenge going down. And last week we even talked about we went to Canada and she got kicked out of Canada because of her legal marijuana she brought with her. Thank you for watching.

8:01Etienne FontanYou know, again, they didn't know how to handle her, so they let her go too. And, you know, they seized her marijuana at the border, but she got the rest of her stuff back when we went back to America. So she has been just an amazing woman. in the sense that she's forced to educate people every single day of her existence practically at least early on because of the illegalities of cannabis so she challenged the local paradigm the state paradigm of course she already run the federal one and no cop knows how to handle an actual dea exception letter it's got everything on it that they don't want to read you know i have to let you go We lost your guy.

8:47Etienne FontanWe lost.

8:50BubblemanOh, he'll come back. He'll come back. It's perfect, actually, your storytelling, because it'll give a nice intro into sort of who David is, what he's been up to, what he's doing, because he's also very much an activist. He was one of the first doctors to be an activist and put his license on the line, which back when he was doing that, there was literally... There were doctors that were becoming sort of pro, but not at the same level as Dr. David Allen, which he's back now.

9:17BubblemanSo I'll maybe get him to, I was just talking about your, a little bit about your story, Dr. David Allen. And so what I was thinking of is now that you could potentially kind of give a little background as to A, who you are, where you come Come from your history and then what led into cannabis and some of the key things that you did in regards to, you know, looking at cannabis prohibition, like calling all the med schools and finding out how many taught the endocannabinoid system, et cetera.

9:49BubblemanSo I will give it up to you, sir.

9:54SpeakerWell, I'm a retired cardiovascular and thoracic surgeon. I'm double boarded in general surgery and Cardiovascular science. And I used to do bypasses on people and cut them open and put them on bypass pump and do operations on their heart. And I had to protect the heart from what's called reperfusion injury. And that's when whenever you block a So, you know, when you restore the blood flow to a certain organ and then for a period of time and then restore the blood flow to that organ, what happens is a bunch of free radicals are produced, which actually makes the heart attack or stroke worse.

10:51SpeakerSo, my job was to prevent reperfusion injury and In 2003, there was a patent produced by the Department of Health and Human Sciences called Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants. The patent number is 6,630,507.

11:20SpeakerThere's a couple versions of it. They had an updated version of it. But basically, in that patent, they proved that CBD decreases reperfusion injury on a brain infarct. And what they did was they ligated a middle cerebral artery of rats and created a stroke. And then opened the vessel and then did vivisections of the rats afterwards and found out that the stroke size was 50% smaller, half the size, if they had CBD on board before they ligated the artery.

12:08SpeakerAnd so this is like a miracle that any medicine would decrease the size of a stroke By any percentage at all, and since this patent proves that it decreases the size of a stroke by half, it's a miracle. Now, there's a lot of science produced, both in patents and journal articles and stuff, but the patent office is the keeper of the truth, because when you apply for a patent, you have to Write out your patent and every comma in the patent has to be exactly correct.

12:52SpeakerThey will give you a patent number if anything in the patent is incorrect and therefore the patent office is the keeper of the truth. You can't argue with something that's in a patent. So that's the basis to start because, you know, The anti-cannabis thing is strong and they try to refute any kind of information you have that says cannabis is good for you. And so if you want the truth, you want to look in patents.

13:30SpeakerAnd so the internet's hard to use now. It's much harder to use than it was 15 years ago.

13:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd you can hide stuff on the internet.

13:44SpeakerAnd a lot of the cannabis science is hidden in the internet because these patents are extremely hard to read and the majority of people don't have the educational background to understand what they're reading. And so many of the implications of what these patents tell us are hidden from the public. And so If you go on YouTube, there's a lot of people producing cannabis stuff, and almost none of it has to do with scientific articles or patents.

14:26SpeakerSo if you look up on YouTube, cannabis as antioxidants and neuroprotectants, you won't find anything at all.

14:37SpeakerAnd nowhere on YouTube will you find out the information that It's proven by a patent that it decreases the size of a stroke by 50% if you have CBD on board prior to ligating the artery on the rats. Now, this study has never been done in humans, which is a crime because this patent came out in 2003. And as soon as I read it, as a heart surgeon, I knew the implications meant that at some point in the future, when you were doing heart surgery, you would turn to the anesthesiologist and right before you came off a bypass, you would tell the anesthesiologist, give the CBD and go off bypass to prevent reperfusion injury after your heart...

15:37SpeakerProcedure that you just did.

15:38BubblemanSo here's a question, Dr. David. Is this the sort of beginning of you going, I don't want to say rogue on the medical system, but there was a point where you sort of jumped off the tracks and you realized the importance of cannabis and you basically were willing to put everything on the line for it. Can you tell a little bit of that story, the sort of history of your history with the DEA and all of the shit that went down with you in how...

16:08BubblemanBecause one day you're a heart surgeon and you're respected and you're doing surgeries on people and then the next you're a cannabis maniac activist that is being arrested and having his home taken and all of that. Can you give the audience a little bit of a background on that story?

16:26SpeakerIt's a complex story and someday I'm going to have a movie or book written about this. But if you have money, everybody's trying to get your money. That's the bottom line. And so we had a heart surgery program here and we were doing about 125 cases a year at just one heart hospital, okay? And one of the heart surgeons left and I was there by myself and doing heart surgery.

16:55SpeakerAnd I had the best mortality morbidity in the state of Mississippi. And so the hospital was trying to steal money from the retirements things for hospital employees. And they wanted to confuse the issue and they obfuscated by stealing that money and starting a unnecessary second heart program at our sister hospital, which was about 45 minutes away. And I knew this was bad news. And I and to do that, they wanted to close the cardiac surgical ICU, which was expensive.

17:39SpeakerAnd they wanted me to to Thank you so much for joining us.

18:01SpeakerSpecial equipment that we used for heart patients, swan gas catheters, swan gas catheters and balloon pumps and a bunch of other stuff. And so we objected to that. And so I was in the way of them closing the ICU at Singer River Hospital and opening an unneeded heart program at At Ocean Springs, and I actually did the first heart surgeries done at Ocean Springs. So I opened that heart program, but they had to get rid of me because I was opposing the closure of this other ICU and they were busy stealing employees' retirement money.

18:43SpeakerAnd so they decided to Thank you for joining us.

19:13SpeakerWell-established places and they were run out of town. And I knew about hospitals running surgeons out of town. And it's hard to get a heart position.

19:32SpeakerAnyway, so I figured that it would be almost impossible to start another heart. Uh, program somewhere else. So I decided I needed, I had some extra money. So I bought a bunch of books on cannabis and a bunch of videos and stuff. And I started teaching myself about this science, about the endocannabinoid system. And I like to call it the endocannabinoid signaling system because that actually hints at the function of this because it's a communication system that cells have that is used to regulate all of physiology.

20:17SpeakerAnd so I started learning about this and I thought, well, I got to do something else. I can't do operations here in Pascagoula, Mississippi. So I need to pick a different path. So I got a California medical license and I went out to California. I started doing cannabis exams and I

20:40SpeakerWhile I had my practice in Sacramento, I called 157 medical schools in the United States. And at first I called them and I'd say, hey, I'd like to speak to the director of the curriculum. And they'd say, who's this? And I'd say, this is Dr. Allen. And they'd say, well, what do you want? And I would say, well, I want to ask if they teach this science.

21:02SpeakerAnd then they would like stonewall me. So I had some people working for me. So we changed our Our tax a little bit and I had them act like they were medical students looking for a medical school to go to and they would and um they would take notes on on their conversations and stuff and they would call up and and and um

21:35SpeakerAnd they would say all kinds of really racist and ignorant comments about, well, why would you want to study that? We don't do that here. You don't need to come to our school if you want to study that kind of results. And anyway, so I found out we called 157 medical schools and found out that only 13% of them actually even mention

22:01SpeakerThe endocannabinoid signaling or endocannabinoid system. And nobody has organized courses or a department or anything. And so only 13 percent even mention it in ancillary courses like pharmacology, neuroanatomy or or any other science. And so we prove basically that doctors are not taught this Regulatory system that regulates all of metabolism. And so.

22:40SpeakerI don't know. One of my epiphanies was.

22:45SpeakerThat. You know, I know metabolism and. I noticed that the brain and nervous tissue has the highest concentration of CB1 receptors. And most cannabis activists, if you ask them that, where are CB1 and CB2 receptors, they'll tell you. But if you ask them why are CB1 receptors located in the nervous tissue, they won't know. And I think I know because I have some dictums in my life and one of Dr. Allen's dictums is there's no such thing as a coincidence.

23:26SpeakerAnd so why is CB1 receptors located in nervous tissue and the brain Basically burns sugar as a primary metabolite. So if your glucose drops below 60, you pass out because you can't maintain consciousness if your glucose is less than a certain number. So now all the other tissues in the body, the heart, the lungs, the muscles, they burn glucose a little bit, but they mostly burn fatty metabolites, ketones.

24:06SpeakerAnd glucagon and a bunch of other stuff. But, but the brain burns glucose and there's CB1 receptors or more CB1 receptors in the brain tissue than anywhere else. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the CB1 receptors are in the brain tissue and it burns sugar. Now CB1 receptors are also located on the mitochondrial membrane. And the nuclear membrane as well as the cytoplasm membrane. So CB1 receptors are more numerous than any other receptors.

24:44SpeakerSo this is a new science that they have actually banned by law. And so this is one of the only sciences that has actually been banned by law. And we should be way ahead of ourselves right now, but we're not because of this. And So a lot of this information is hidden on the internet by scientific jargon that most people can't comprehend. And so what we need to do is we need an interpreter that can interpret scientific jargon into everyday language that most people can understand and Let people know the implications of what this scientific literature means.

25:35SpeakerAnd so by doing that, we will expand the knowledge of the cannabis sciences. And so once a person learns that there's a patent that you can make cannabis oil Water soluble. So you can make an oil water soluble, which means now currently you can't stick a needle in somebody's vein and inject cannabis oil because it would cause a stroke. Right. So if you made it water soluble, you could put it in an IV bag when the.

26:22SpeakerAnd when. The ambulance came to pick up a patient. They could start an IV or CBD for a number of different troubles. I'm getting a phone call.

26:39BubblemanI was wondering why your phone was flickering. I was like, whoa, that was like flickering.

26:45SpeakerI tried to turn it off last time and it cut me off from this. So I just left it. But anyway. So. Oh, here's what I want to do. And this will be a money making business. And here's what I learned. If you want to be successful, surround yourself by knowledgeable people. So hang out with LV Musica, hang out with Robert Melamed and other people. Marcus Gary Richardson and other people that know what's going on and you can be successful.

27:27SpeakerAnd so here's, here's the idea. We want to, I want to start a group of people that can bring their talents together and produce a business for YouTube. Okay. Now YouTube is currently making a lot of money. All of that stuff is going to be available for a bunch of different people doing content. And the more content you can produce, the more money you can make.

27:58Bubbleman14 billion a month, Dr. David. 14 billion a month is what YouTube brings in for monetization on ad revenue right now.

28:07SpeakerSo I could do this myself, but I don't have the technical expertise.

28:15SpeakerSo I want other, and I don't have the money to do this. So here's my proposition. I want to get a group of dedicated people that know about this science. And what we want to do is start a YouTube channel, Cannabis Journal Club. And what we will do is we will review scientific articles in journals and patents and give A super short condensed evaluation of a patent or an article and let people know the implications.

29:00SpeakerSo we would want to shoot for short titles of these subjects and straight, no nonsense, direct Directly talk about exactly what the title is and explain its significance and, you know, short attention span kind of stuff. So, um, and I have a couple of big binders of cannabis, scientific articles and patents, and this stuff is all 15 years old. And so, What we would do is we would go through, for instance, the U.S. patent cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants.

29:52SpeakerPatent number 6,630,507. And in this patent, hidden in the writing is...

30:08SpeakerIt talks about the mechanism of action of how CBD stops reperfusion injury. And on and under in vivo rat studies, example seven, it says it goes through the procedure how they ligated the the middle cerebral artery and let it go and then they Did sections of the brains and it says in here, the data shows the infarct size was approximately half in the animals treated with cannabidiol.

30:53SpeakerNow, you go on YouTube, there's nothing about that on YouTube anywhere. And this is a miracle. 50% reduction in a stroke size is the difference between whether your grandma can wipe her ass or not after the stroke. And it's hard to, you know, I have personal experience. Donna Corby had a stroke and was in Oroville Hospital. And we would go visit her. And she would be all lethargic and I was tilted off to one side and not communicative at all.

31:34SpeakerAnd one day I snuck her two-tenths of one cc of cannabis oil under her tongue in a syringe. And actually they caught me. And I got out of the situation and they put a sitter in there to watch to make sure the family didn't give the patient any kind of stuff. It didn't matter to me because I was bold and I knew what I was doing. And I would just insinuate myself between the person that was watching the patient and the patient.

32:11SpeakerAnd I would just put my body in between her and quickly give her two tenths of a cc of cannabis oil. And every single time I did it, within five minutes, she would be alert. She would talk to us and she would eat. Every single time.

32:31SpeakerAnd I know cannabis oil, I feel it in my bones, has great efficacy against all kinds of diseases because cannabis controls what you metabolize, whether you're metabolizing glucose or fats. And so all cancers have to have to basically use glucose as a primary source because when they're fat, when they're dividing cells fast, they have to use sugar because it provides the most energy fastest. And so and that's the basis of a PET scan.

33:18SpeakerI don't know if you guys are familiar with PET scans. So they take glucose and they tag it with radioactive tags. And they inject it in your veins and it goes all around your body. And if any tissue burns glucose, what happened is it'll leave the radioactive tag wherever it's burning the glucose the most. And what happens is the tumors that are burning glucose light up with radioactive hot spots on the PET scan.

33:49SpeakerIt's a...

33:53SpeakerAnyway, so that's the basis of metabolism of cancer. So all cancers have to have to use glucose. They also use glutamine. So don't use monosodium glutamate, MSG, on your food because it can feed cancers. And

34:19SpeakerSo anyway, that's my idea about Cannabis Journal Club. And so we would need to hire somebody that knows How to manipulate YouTube and TikTok and get the most money.

34:33BubblemanWell, I think we have that organized. I think we don't need to start a channel. We're going to do it on my channel because the problem with monetizing on YouTube is you have to earn it and it can take years. And so I've done that. I've gotten the hundred thousand followers and the five million views and the this, that and the other thing. So we can do it.

34:52BubblemanI've already created a membership for the Cannabis Journal Club. It's $5 per show, four shows a week. We'll start in the new year. I've got a nice list of people that we made together, you and myself, Dr. David Allen. And we haven't reached out to these people. We're hoping. That some of them are going to be down to obviously Skunk Man Sam and Ryan Lee. You guys will be at the top of that list.

35:15BubblemanWe've got Donald Abrams and Dr. Ethan Russo and Dr. Amanda Ryman. I put Dr. Christina Sanchez on there and Dr. Guzman. You've got El Soli's number that you put down, Dr. Philip Denny. There's a whole variety of people. I just love the idea of the concept being simple, not overly long, you know, your expertise in actual experience. By the way, while you were talking, there's people in the chat special, special to the D said he's a hemorrhagic stroke survivor.

35:50BubblemanHe has never heard this information. And then we had some other folks mentioning, you know, my mom had a stroke and she was basically recovered from her first stroke before the ambulance got there after giving her extra dose of FECO. Another person said that after they had their stroke, it was cannabis oil that managed to get them walking again. So there's all sorts of experiences. I had a stroke at 47 years old.

36:14BubblemanCannabis oil is what got me walking again. That was from Kit Russell. So there's lots of people relating to what you're saying right now.

36:20SpeakerWe're going to save human lives by doing this.

36:24BubblemanYou know, I didn't I didn't understand the implications. I will be honest when you first asked me if we could do this together. And I was kind of like, you know, I love your information and you as a person. And I've always gotten I've always looked up to you in a sense that I like what you're about. And I like that you've taken this knowledge and you put it on the line and you just you know, there wasn't that many people.

36:45Bubblemanfrom the medical establishment who was on the other side of the activism with us and you were one of the very few that that was literally putting their money where their mouth was and um yeah i just think it's a really cool idea i'm i'm excited to get it going with you and like i said you know i've seen hash church from the conversations we've had about you know when we did the rosin episode and all of a sudden it was like machine start i've seen hash church I mean, I should have because it's what we've all been doing.

37:27BubblemanThere's not a person on this panel that hasn't helped someone with their cancer or their somewhat terminal disease with the use of cannabis. Yet at the same time, the medical establishment has always been created to make us feel inferior in the knowledge that we hold. Yeah, we just, who wants to listen to us? Are you a doctor is always the first thing out of their mouth.

37:48SpeakerThat's right. Well, I wanted to, I had a couple other things I wanted to talk to you about these past stuff. So, so this is a patent that says therapeutic uses of cannabidiol compounds. And in this, it proves you can't, you can't argue with this. It proves 66% reduction in infarct size of the heart.

38:20SpeakerAnd this patent proves decrease the size of an infarct, a myocardial infarction by 66%. And that's not national news. Okay. Here's one antibacterial cannabinoids from cannabis sativa.

38:44SpeakerHere's one. All right.

38:56SpeakerI have an article here where they feed cows hemp and they harvest the meat and the milk with CBD in it.

39:12SpeakerI have a A patent on how to intentionally pollinate indoor marijuana crops. There's a U.S. patent on that.

39:28BubblemanYou know, like people can see these patents. I mean, I've seen some of them myself and I'm not afraid to, you know, say that there's a lack of understanding. You know what I mean? When you see something that suggests a 50% reduction in stroke after a special type of ligation, I don't even know what that means. But from your perspective, you're thinking, holy shit, this is like a miracle.

39:53BubblemanAnd you want to scream it from the mountaintops, but other people are just like dismissing it.

40:00Ryan Dank AfThey cause a stroke is what they do. They cut off the blood supply to the brain and they cause a stroke. And if they've pre-treated the animals with CBD, they have less damage to the brain. I think that there's a pathway that actually works through glutamate, if I'm not mistaken. I remember looking into this when I was in university. I think the stroke causes like, doesn't it cause some kind of cascade of glutamic acid?

40:26Ryan Dank AfI think so. Yeah. Yeah.

40:29SpeakerWell, there's patterns on how it decreases the incidence of diabetes by 66%. Now, here's a really good one. CBD inhibits vascular endothelial growth factor. Now, people don't know what that means. Vascular endothelial growth factor, VEGF. Okay, VEGF is a signaling protein which your body makes whenever there's a low blood flow in your foot or your brain or anywhere. The tissues secrete this signaling protein which causes capillaries to grow into the area of low oxygen concentration.

41:18SpeakerThis VEGF causes The in-growth of blood vessels and actually brain tumors, especially gliomas, secrete VEGF and it causes blood vessels to grow into the brain tumor and the brain tumor steals blood from the human and gets bigger on its own because it's got its own blood supply now. So VEGF is a really important signaling hormone. And I wrote an article years ago about the potential of keeping stents open because there is a U.S. patent on coating stents with CBD.

42:20SpeakerPutting CBD on the stents. And what happens is the CBD inhibits vascular endothelial growth factor, which would inhibit blood flow into the area where the stent is. And stents, what happens is over time, a stent loses its lumen because The endothelium expands and occludes the inside of the stent. And so if you inhibit VEGF, my article predicted that cannabis, CBD, would inhibit instant restenosis and make stents last longer.

43:19SpeakerI wrote that article about 15 years ago. And there's, and there's, so there's all kinds of uses of cannabis. Now, Dr. Guzman, here's a new idea I came up with. Now, this is a cockamamie idea that has never been talked about ever before this time right now. And Dr. Guzman, I injected cannabis CBD in the middle of glioma tumors inside the brain. And to do this, you got to do an operation where you drill holes in the skull.

43:58SpeakerAnd under imaging, you put a needle right in the center of the tumor and injected CBD. And he found out that tumors that were injected with CBD went away.

44:15SpeakerSo now, here's the problem. To do that, you have to have expensive, Imaging equipment that the hospital controls and they're not just going to let any cockamamie guy with a crazy idea injecting oil into patients because oil is not water soluble and so here's my crazy idea and it's never been done before so if the problem is You can't use imaging equipment to put cannabis oil in the center of a tumor.

45:03SpeakerWhat's the next best thing that you can do? And so I would say probably oral ingestion and stuff. So I have a friend that has a tumor on the side of his neck the size of a baseball. It's a squamous cell carcinoma. And they did a PET scan on him and it lights up on his neck. And it also lights up on the base of his tongue.

45:31SpeakerSo the cancer is eroded into his tongue and it's a big thing. And it's real close to the carotid artery and jugular vein. And so you wouldn't want to willy-nilly stick cannabis oil in this thing in the side of his neck because you might inject it. The vein caused a stroke or something. And then nobody knows what happens. Nobody has ever done. Intradermal injections of oil. And so I think it would be pretty easy to test this for safety because you could take the first thing would be figure out what size needle you need to That oil can go through easily and what temperature the oil should be so it would flow properly into through the needle.

46:33SpeakerAnd then so my suggestion is to like try it on your arm and inject the smallest aliquot of CBD oil under your skin

46:51SpeakerAnd and watch for the results. So cannabis oil should be sterile, shouldn't have any bacteria, viruses or or fungus in it. And if you just did it on your forearm, you could watch it for complications. And so I don't think you. You know, it could start an immune reaction, but since it's not a protein, it's not going to be cellular immunity. And so you could watch this and see what kind of adverse effect you could have of injecting oil under the skin.

47:33SpeakerAnd so in this, my friend's desperate situation, I think that if it was me, I would consider injecting oil CBD oil under the skin in the periphery around the tumor and photograph the results. So I've never discussed this with anybody else. And this is like a cockamamie idea. I understand. But what else are you going to do if you got a squamous cell carcinoma sitting on your carotid artery?

48:13SpeakerI have a question. When you shoot it into the brain, can you use a hemisucate to deliver the CBD without a problem? Well, you can't treat it in the vein because oil doesn't mix with, is not soluble in water. Well, we use that to deliver it into the eye because it acts as a Little micro, the CBD goes inside of the protective little semi-succate delivery system. All right, so you're talking about liposomes, basically.

49:00SpeakerSo I have some experience with that, and I was a biochemistry major, and we made liposomes With Demerol inside them and injected it in rats. And what happens is if you take oil and mix it with water and shake it up, the oil forms a bilayer with water inside and water on the outside because the oil has polar heads and nonpolar tails. And so the nonpolar tails hide on the inside in a bubble, basically.

49:38SpeakerMicrosphere or liposome. And so you could put, say, if you wanted to have a cancer drug that you wanted to deliver to cancer, what you do is this. You could take some oil and take take the

50:00SpeakerThe medicine that you're going to deliver and shake it up and form these microspheres or liposomes that would have the chemical that you want to deliver to a particular cell. So you could take a cancer, grind it up, make antibodies against the cancer, attach it to the liposomes and inject it into the body and the liposomes would Float around. And if the antibodies attached to the antigen, they would attach the liposome to the cancer cells preferentially.

50:43SpeakerAnd then the cancer, the liposomes would bind with the cell membrane of the cancer cells and deliver the medicine directly to the cancer cells individually. Dr. Osole used it to deliver, uh,

51:04SpeakerAnd we used it to deliver an anandamide analog that we delivered inside the eye to control glaucoma. Wow.

51:21SpeakerSo we're going to see of this science and it's going to expand from here dramatically. And they won't be able to say that, oh, you're just smoking pot because you want to get high. Because there will be proof positive that cannabis does help. And it helps with a multitude of diseases because it's kind of like It's the key that goes to the ignition and the radio doesn't work in the car unless you got the key to the ignition.

52:00SpeakerAnother question. Did you ever talk to Raphael Meshulam at Jerusalem University? I know of him, of course, but I never spoke with him. Because he was doing quite similar things. With children and with all kinds of patients with CBD and CBD analogs also.

52:28BubblemanI've mentioned this once on church before, but I was working for a while with Dr. Brent Reynolds. He was involved in our Jamaican project. And then I was working on another project with him. He was working at the University of Miami in the neurosurgery department. And Dr. Brent's claim to fame is that he discovered stem cells in the brain in the late 80s. In his thesis prior to that, stem cells hadn't been sort of, he changed stem cell science completely.

52:58BubblemanAfter 30 plus years of that, he started working on something called exosomes, which are basically extracellular vesicles that are released by all cells. And they carry like proteins and lipids and DNA and RNA and other components. And he found, which blew my mind, when he created exosomes from hemp, that the exosomes contained cannabinoids. And so they started using these exosomes at the university to figure out if they could deliver drugs to the brain.

53:34BubblemanUh, because obviously the, that barrier between the brain, um, is, is hard to get things delivered into the brain. And so they were using, um, I can't remember what they loaded up the first exosomes with, but it was for, um, When you get a, uh, when you bang your head really hard and, you know, like on the football field or on the, you know, you get a concussion, it was for the reduction of inflammation in the brain for concussions.

54:01BubblemanAnd it was, it was insane. It reduced it by 90%. And the payload to the brain was a 45 X from anything they've ever seen. A 45 time payload was delivered to the brain through these exosomes. Cause they're just like 40. I don't know how, I think they can go up to 110. Thank you for watching.

54:29BubblemanThey can travel through this brain barrier and deliver this massive payload. And I'm just wondering if what you're talking about in particular for tumors, you know, rather than go the injection route, but you go the sort of newer, sort of less evasive method, which is to load these exosomes up with cannabinoids and deliver them directly to the brain. Might be a good, interesting conversation for the Cannabis Journal Club in the future.

54:57BubblemanWe can invite Dr. Brent Reynolds and you guys can have a discussion about it.

55:02SpeakerLove to. Also discuss with Dr. El Sole, his delivery of cannabinoids with sugars to deliver it into the body.

55:17BubblemanRight.

55:18SpeakerAs a suppository.

55:20BubblemanRight. He's on the list.

55:26BubblemanHe's absolutely on the list. Well, that's a nice light way to start Hash Church off for our first hour. 9 a.m. People are like, holy fuck, I feel like I'm at university right now.

55:38Ryan Dank AfThis is the before the dabs section of church.

55:42BubblemanYeah, I haven't even had a dab. You're right, dude. Fuck, this is definitely like pay attention to level stuff. I know you love it, Ryan. And I'm not sure if Ryan and Dr. David Allen have met before, but... You're both brilliant and you guys should definitely both know each other. Ryan's a scientist as well. Dr. David Allen and a breeder and a student of Skunk Man Sam and just an all around super knowledgeable guy.

56:07BubblemanSo there'll be another great person to link you up with.

56:12SpeakerNice to meet you. So we want to let the public know that there's a patent treating or preventing diabetes with cannabidiol. Nobody knows that there's a patent on treating diabetes with cannabidiol. And it proves in there, it decreases incidence of diabetes by 64%.

56:40BubblemanThat's huge. I don't think people even realize the ramifications of diabetes on the medical system. And even now they're finding, I mean, I don't know if it was Huberman or who, or maybe it was the guy that Dana White from the UFC goes to, Brecka, Gary Brecka. I think he was the one that mentioned that most of the world calls dementia and Alzheimer's Type 3 diabetes. It's only in North America that they call it dementia and Alzheimer's, but the rest of the world just calls it type 3 diabetes, which is crazy when you think of the implications that diabetes can have on your body if left unchecked.

57:25SpeakerDr. Allen, is that for type 1 or type 2 diabetes? Probably for type 2. Okay, that's what I would suspect. Yeah, because I'm diabetic and my body produces zero insulin. And yeah. And so people don't know why that is either. And another dictum of Dr. Allen is everything you hear and read is a lie. And if you just follow the money, that's to tell you where part of the lie is.

58:03SpeakerAnd I think I understand why I caught a virus. My immune system destroyed the virus and then it attacked my aisles of Langham on my pancreas and destroyed all of them. Destroyed the beta cells. That's right. So one big lie that we're living through is seed oils. I believe are causing diabetes. And they also cause macular degeneration. So they're causing blindness. And so these seed oils are unstable even when you don't heat them.

58:45SpeakerBut they're really unstable when you heat them. Does that include hemp seed oil? I don't know. I can't say.

58:56BubblemanSo I can say this about hemp seed oil compared to most of the seed oils. It does have a much higher smoke rate. So when it like the temperature that you have to bring it up to is much, much higher than like olive oil.

59:12SpeakerAnd so about that is, is there linoleic acid in hemp seed oil? Yes. So linoleic acid is how they make linoleum. So when you heat this oil, it turns into a plastic. So when you eat French fries and corn chips and all the other stuff, you're actually eating plastic because it's not real food.

59:49BubblemanWell, it seems like the world is waking up to the dangers of seed oils, that's for sure. Right.

59:53SpeakerWell, I've taken hemp seed oil an awful lot, and as long as it's fresh, I don't see a problem with it. But it does go off very fast and turns basically into varnish. Right. Turpentine. So you just got to be careful because any company that makes a product, they're interested in selling the product. And after it's sold, they could care less what happens to it. So all the people are making perfumes and colognes and stuff.

1:00:29SpeakerThey make it because it smells good and they don't test it to see if it causes leukemia or something else because that's not in their interest. And so any company selling any product, you got to be careful because they have one motive and it's not your health.

1:00:49Ryan Dank AfLinoleic acid is omega-6, right? I don't know for sure. It is. It definitely is.

1:00:58BubblemanYeah, linoleic and what's the omega-3 is?

1:01:01Ryan Dank AfLinoleic and linoleic. Linoleic, yeah. But yeah, so it's all products. I think those things are also critically important. So it's having the right balance of them, right? Right. And then how they're treated and processing. That's a big one.

1:01:21SpeakerIt actually, some of these oils, the plastics that they perform, they actually push out other oils that are in your brain that your brain needs. So they displace... Uh, normal functioning cellular stuff. So it's like having a bunch of trash inside yourself.

1:01:45BubblemanWell, you can see it in the health of the people in today's day and age, right? Like health is crumbling for a lot of people.

1:01:55Ryan Dank AfYeah, we're, we're absorbing so much plastics. I mean, people are saying, oh, it's something in the environment. It's like, now we're doing all these studies of microplastics and finding it in everywhere. It's a study saying that every testicle that they've looked for, every human testicle they've looked for plastic in it, they found it. Microplastics.

1:02:17SpeakerMicroplastics in it.

1:02:18Ryan Dank AfI don't know. I always think of that when it's like you're unwrapping a package or a food, you know, some kind of food. We used to have, I remember like when I was a kid, you go to the grocery store, there was nothing came in plastic, right? Like produce came in these big boxes that they had unloaded onto the counter. And now, especially in Holland, I remember being in Holland this year and going to the grocery store with Sam and It's like every single individual, you know, piece of fruit or vegetables wrapped in its own plastic layer and all that stuff.

1:02:49SpeakerThe first thing I remember was cellophane.

1:02:52Ryan Dank AfYeah.

1:02:53SpeakerAnd that I think is pretty innocuous.

1:02:58Ryan Dank AfYeah. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. We got to stop you. Yeah, I actually saw there's a Japanese group that's just developed a type of plastic that as soon as it hits seawater, it starts to dissolve. Oh, nice. It's nice that we're making some progress, but man, yeah, we're in what we call the Anthropocene right now, right? Like the geological time period that's You know, denoted by the existence of man and the way that we know that the existence of, you know, in the future, they'll be able to, when we're long gone, they'll be able to see that layer of plastic that's in the earth.

1:03:33SpeakerBrian, they've also found, uh,

1:03:40SpeakerWays to dissolve plastic, it acts as a feed source for certain microbes.

1:03:48Ryan Dank AfYeah, they're engineering microbes now to do that, right? Yeah, it's amazing.

1:03:55BubblemanI wouldn't be surprised if there was natural fungi on the planet that could do it quite efficiently as well. It's just a matter of discovering it.

1:04:02SpeakerHere's an article I wanted to touch on briefly that has pretty good importance. It's called Sexual Differences in the Effects of Marijuana on Stimulated Driving Performance. This is an NIH study. And what they did was they took men and women and they let them smoke pot and they put them on a driving simulator and they would have like dogs run out in front of them and they would test their reactions and their crash avoidance and this and that.

1:04:35SpeakerAnd they would test them Before they used cannabis and after they used cannabis and measured the results. And women, it actually didn't matter. It didn't change any statistics, which is actually interesting in itself. But men had 1.1 seconds faster reaction time and three times better crash avoidance. And this is a government study, NIH study, because one of the arguments that the pot haters do is, oh, well, you can't have people smoke pot because they'll be crashing everywhere, right?

1:05:15SpeakerWell, now this is just one study and it's not all encompassing, but this study seems to prove that if you smoke pot, you're actually a safer driver after you smoke than before. And

1:05:32SpeakerThe argument is, well, cannabis causes schizophrenia too, right? Well, the incidence of schizophrenia has been stable over 150 years. And it's about one-tenth of 1% of all populations, all races. And cannabis use has dramatically increased since the 30s. And if that was the cause of schizophrenia, then there should be a lot more schizophrenics after cannabis use increase and there hasn't been. It's bullshit that cannabis causes schizophrenia.

1:06:17SpeakerIt's bullshit that cannabis makes you a worse driver.

1:06:20Ryan Dank AfThat's true. That is definitely true. But there is a correlation between schizophrenia and cannabis use. I mean, even like people, even I studied neuroscience in my undergrad and there was like, if they do spinal taps, they analyze the spinal fluid of people that have schizophrenia. They have a higher turnover of endocannabinoids. So there is something going on In people with schizophrenia or maybe people that are predisposed to schizophrenia with cannabis use, you know, some kind of comorbidity there.

1:06:53SpeakerIs that correlation or causality?

1:06:55Ryan Dank AfWell, it's not causality. 100% it's not causality. That's why I started off with saying it's 100% true what you said. But there is some interesting link there between the two. And I've seen it. I've seen friends that used a lot of cannabis and actually went to a very not good place. You know, believing that there was, like, they were covering the walls with, or the light switches with tinfoil and, like, all sorts of bizarre behavior.

1:07:21Ryan Dank AfPeople were coming in the windows.

1:07:23BubblemanI had a roommate, only one roommate in my entire life. We called him Microwave. And we called him Microwave because... Years ago when he was on acid and he was with my friend Dave Esaw and they were like they decided they would climb the electric pole so they could see further. They were waiting for friends to show up even though it was the prairies and you can see for 100 miles just standing on the ground.

1:07:47BubblemanThey decided in their acid rich minds that they would climb the pole. And so Dave climbed up the pole and then it arced into his leg and was just like firing like, I don't know, like five times the amount that they give the people in the electric chair for the death penalty. And so Microwave, Jason, was watching this happen while he was tripping on acid and was like, I got to go save him.

1:08:08BubblemanSo he climbed up the pole, burnt all the skin off of his arms and face, put Dave over his shoulder, came back down and saved Dave's life and got the nickname Microwave. He was definitely bipolar, schizophrenic. He had something going on. He was my roommate that ordered the spores from From Terrence McKenna's wife back in the day, Kat, the Syzygy, and we grew mushrooms together and we had psychedelic experiences together.

1:08:34BubblemanAnd he was the first person I ever saw who cannabis was truly not good for. His abuse of cannabis just took him down a darker and darker and darker path to the point where it was so... Thank you so much for joining us.

1:09:08BubblemanHe smoked cannabis in a similar way as my buddy Jason did. Just like, it's super intense. Now with John, it wasn't schizophrenia, it was intense pain. Like a pain that I didn't ever, I had no idea that people could be in pain like that. I had no idea that you could get to a point like that. But John was one of the first people for pain. I mean, this guy was smoking hot dabs like crack.

1:09:33BubblemanThank you for watching.

1:09:53BubblemanThe extra hundred pounds that you had on you, John, was helpful for your health in regards to the pain that you were in. But all of those things, eating better, taking better care of yourself and regulating even the way you smoke cannabis, you seem so much healthier today than you did when I met you, you know, about 10 or 12 years ago.

1:10:14SpeakerOh, it's been, yeah, it's over 12 years, about 12 years, so... I mean, it's definitely been an impact in my life. And I was just looking back and it's great to see you, David Allen and Dr. Allen. Like we were talking back in 2014, I was looking at some of our old messages and learning this whole system and understanding it and understanding how cannabis was just more than just a medicine.

1:10:37SpeakerIt was, it was, it was, It helped me every day. It gave me functions and learning how to use. CBD was huge for me. And dabbing at 710 got rid of the pain and understanding all of that. And then my health was huge too. I mean, that's a big thing, right? It's like, I mean, it comes down to your health. It's those daily routines. It's holistic health, natural healing, cannabinoid therapy.

1:11:01SpeakerThat's what this is all about. I can see it in your face. I, I, I, it's so great to see you. It's so good. I mean, I was just, you made me such a big smile. Like it's, it's really from Farmer to Freedom. That's why I put the book back up. It's from Farmer to Freedom and understanding that there's a lot of things there with cannabis that you can use in so many different ways.

1:11:18SpeakerAnd it's not about the heavy dosing. And sometimes I used to eat a thousand milligrams. Now I'm gummies at 25. They're fine. Depending on where you are, my pain has dramatically changed though from when I was first in a lot of pain to where I am now because I'm able to control it by understanding that it's something that you have to understand and deal with and you can use cannabis in order to alleviate certain symptoms and stuff like that.

1:11:41SpeakerAnd there's different ways of utilizing it now today. We have creams. There's so much stuff in the Canadian industry, legal industry right now. It's like you can get whatever you want. Whatever you want. We talked about this. I can't believe it actually happened now. We're actually living it now. And then seeing where we are today and where this whole system's going and with the education that we're putting together, all of us putting things together to actually try to educate the world on the endocannabinoid system, like you keep saying.

1:12:11SpeakerIt's a signaling system that is needed and we're seeing it more and more and they've been hiding it. We talked about this years ago. They keep hiding it. Now we can start bringing it more and more to light. This has been there for years and years and bringing it more to light is what we all get to do here today. So keep sharing this. Make sure you hit share on this today, right?

1:12:28SpeakerYou got to get the information on. Yes, if there's a link to this discussion, please send it to us. Oh, 100%. I mean, I was at the meeting. In Quebec, back in, I was around 96 or 97, when Alwyn Hewitt announced the discovery of the endocannabinoid system.

1:12:59Ryan Dank AfYeah, or the receptor, yeah.

1:13:01SpeakerThat's epic. A lot of people in the chat are asking. So it's all about physiology. It's about state and change and that focus. And that's what we do here. So I do 20 push-ups every two hours. I started with two. Right. Wow. Right. So that's what I do. I, I, I, every morning at the top of the stairs, I would do 33 pushups this morning. I do morning walks every, every morning.

1:13:21SpeakerThe first thing I do when I get out of bed, they say, oh, be outstanding, taste me successfully. I'm going to learn something new. And I go on a morning walk, come back. I do my rep. Right here. Right. Because that gets me going so I can focus because I need that at that point. Right. And then I do my push ups every two hours. And I'm constantly surrounded by pipes.

1:13:40SpeakerThis is what helps me. And I expect, you know, my businesses and everything. And I just do little dabs. Thank you, Ryan, for the little torch and the little, little things. And now it's even easier to kind of alleviate certain things to keep me focused. Cannabis keeps me focused.

1:13:56BubblemanI'm coming to your house and cleaning your bong. That is what I'm doing, dude. I will do that for you, Johnny B. No judgment whatsoever, but I am coming to your house to clean your bong. I'm going to clean that fucking bong. There's going to be a before and after picture, and it is going to be nothing shy of epic. Yeah, show that bad boy.

1:14:15SpeakerAs you can see, I'm not the cleanest dog in town.

1:14:21BubblemanDude, yours looks like a hospital compared to Johnny B's.

1:14:25Ryan Dank AfWhat the fuck are you talking about? It's surprising to see Sam's like that because one of his sayings is that cleanliness is, what is it? Next to godliness. No, no, isn't it? Stoneliness is next to godliness.

1:14:38SpeakerThis information and that's been hiding and being there because it's been around for such a long time. It's really is getting it out there now. Like it's going to be like a hundred billion dollar industry by 2030. It's tremendously changing and they're trying to make it as as a recreational drug. The education on the end of cannabinoid system and what it can do for the medical system is like we got to get out of the wrecking ball.

1:15:00SpeakerWell, let me ask, does anybody have any opinions or suggestions about subdermal injection of cannabis oil?

1:15:11Ryan Dank AfYeah, I mean, I think the first problem is they, we have done testing of oils and they are contaminated. They're not sterile, right? So it would be, or a lot of them are. So it would be, you'd want to be finding an actual, a sterilized dose. And maybe that would even be something that was like e-beamed. I think it would be really interesting if you shared, if you were able to share that patent on the water solubility, because that's actually really, you know, that could actually help in that kind of thing.

1:15:46Ryan Dank AfBut yeah, you'd want to have like little E-beam Daliquats or something like that before people start injecting that stuff in.

1:15:54BubblemanYeah, they found some pretty nasty stuff in oils over the years for sure. I remember the BHO E. coli outbreak there where they were just finding E. coli in some labs BHO and I guess the fucking guy who was making it was just going to the bathroom and not washing his hands or something. It's microscopic, right? It's the tiniest amount. It's like you don't want to be injecting yourself with that.

1:16:16Ryan Dank AfWell, that's the thing.

1:16:20Ryan Dank AfWe're recommending that people go and do this. I think it's really important to make sure that people are injecting a sterile, right?

1:16:27SpeakerI can't put my finger on it, but you can look it up as cannabinoids, as esters. So whenever you make an oil into an ester, it makes it water soluble.

1:16:43Ryan Dank AfIs this SA Ahmed cannabinoid ester constituents from high potency cannabis?

1:16:49SpeakerI don't understand.

1:16:50Ryan Dank AfWhat was the name of the paper? Was it SA Ahmed 2008? That's the one I have.

1:16:59SpeakerI don't remember, but it's Cannabrand as Esther's.

1:17:04BubblemanThe only one that I can find is the one that Ryan just cited by S.A. Ahmed from 2008. 11 new cannabinoid esters together with three known cannabinoid acids in Delta 9.

1:17:15Ryan Dank AfOh, it's a patent. It's a patent, sorry.

1:17:16BubblemanOh, I found the patent. I found it. Yeah, CA277. CA277.

1:17:20Ryan Dank AfYeah, that's the one. That's probably it.

1:17:25Ryan Dank AfThis one right here.

1:17:26SpeakerUnlimited amount of content. We could start our own university by start publishing this stuff.

1:17:35Ryan Dank AfThat's the plant prairie systems patent, but it looks like it's expired. It was 2003. It was filed. Oh, yeah. What do you get?

1:17:45Bubbleman20 years?

1:17:48Ryan Dank AfIt's depending on the 17 to 21, depending on a whole bunch of different things.

1:17:54BubblemanRight. You can extend your claims though, right?

1:17:57Ryan Dank AfYeah. If you alter the formulation or the delivery method, there's ways to extend it. Okay.

1:18:07SpeakerJust for your information, Dr. Allen, I was the first one to develop a high CBD variety of cannabis. This is Sam. Hey, Sam. Yes, it's me. I'm Sam. All right. God bless you. Sam, I am. I use medical applications. And... And at the time, pure CBD cost $20,000 a kilo. Now it's like $500 a kilo.

1:18:42BubblemanYeah, well, when it was released in like 08 in Colorado, my buddy was getting $60,000 a kilo for it. And he watched it go from $60,000 to below $600.

1:19:01BubblemanAnd that, my friends, is why sometimes regulation isn't a bad thing.

1:19:07Ryan Dank AfMy friend was talking with the GW folks about producing the cannabidiol down in Sicily and then just bringing it up by boat. Because it was, you know, in England, they were having all these problems with mold in the crop and, you know, all sorts of production problems because it was essentially a hemp crop growing outside at the time. And GW was absolutely convinced that nobody else was ever going to have CBD.

1:19:36Ryan Dank AfA couple of years later, of course, like they found it in resin seeds and people started crossing in with hemp and all these other things. And now, of course...

1:19:46SpeakerYeah. I'm the one who licensed the variety that they use to produce CBD. And I had it before I met the folks that own GW Pharmaceuticals. I had already developed it, predicting that if I built the baseball field, somebody would come to play.

1:20:08Ryan Dank AfYeah. Well, and you even gave them the idea to do the one-to-one, right?

1:20:15SpeakerYeah. Yes, but I also suggested that it was a lot easier to create a variety that was almost pure CBD and then separate one that was almost pure THC because then they could just mix it and achieve any ratio they wanted. Right. Yeah.

1:20:37Ryan Dank AfBut the ratio I meant for sad effects as opposed to just doing a pure THC medicine.

1:20:45SpeakerYes. Well, both me and Robert had suggested to them that it would change the effects and not cause so much paranoia. And naive users. Hmm.

1:21:04BubblemanIt's never a bad thing. Oh, paranoia. Hey, I wanted to give a shout out to Arkansas Sam who passed away on December 16th. Sam Wayne Smith. He was in Peru when he passed away. He was from Devil's Bluff in Arkansas. And he had a couple of kids. He was definitely a unique individual. Donnie Worshafter posted... His passing just the other day. So I wanted to shout him out.

1:21:31BubblemanI also wanted to shout out our panelists, Colin, who lost his father recently. He's been, you know, really dealing with that for the last three weeks. So he hasn't really been able to come and share with us. But we're thinking of your brother. And I know you went through hell and high water with your father, you know, slowly losing his faculties and his mind over the last couple of years.

1:21:52BubblemanAnd Colin's just been dealing, dealing with that like a champ. And now he's still in it dealing with funerals and all of that. So we're thinking about you, brother. And on a positive note, I would also like to wish Dr. Mark Sheldon, who is on his way to three Fish New Year's shows right now, a very happy birthday. So we're celebrating your birthday. While also recognizing the passing of a couple of unique original men.

1:22:18BubblemanI'm sure there's many more who have been born and passed since that, but those were a couple that came to mind that I thought would be, you know, nice to give a mention.

1:22:27Ryan Dank AfYeah, I've been thinking of Colin's dad too. I guess he passed yesterday. So, you know, we're thinking of you, dude, and sorry you're going through this stage right now. It's unfortunately something we all have to go through in life, losing our parents, but it's never easy when you do. As I know, Mark, you've been there. And also I wanted to wish a happy birthday to Dr. Riz.

1:22:48Ryan Dank AfIt's also her birthday today. She shares that birthday with Mark. Awesome. Lewis. So happy birthday, Natasha. Very cool. She's also an incredible cannabinoid scientist doing some great skincare nowadays. So very cool.

1:23:06Etienne FontanI wanted to go back there when we were talking schizophrenia and separation. My uncle was paranoid schizophrenic and he ended up an untimely horrible death due to it. But because of that, I've always followed schizophrenia and cannabis and being one of the oldest providers in the United States and having on-site consumption. We have had multiple incidents with people with multiple personalities.

1:23:42Etienne FontanFrom what I can read and from my understanding, it allows those people with multiple personality disorders to slip more lucidly in and out of their personalities. I've read multiple research on this over the years, just again out of my curiosity after my uncle being diagnosed. He was a U.S. Navy veteran and he was on the USS Scorpion. And he was starting to have mental breaks and was committed and pulled off the USS Scorpion.

1:24:21Etienne FontanAnd people may know the USS Scorpion because it's at the bottom of the Marianas Trench right now. Right after he was pulled off of it, it went to max depth and imploded. And that's when he lost his mind because all the men he served with, his friends, all died. And that's when his break with reality never went back. So for me, the curiosity has always been around and especially The instance we had at Berkeley Patients Group were around people who had multiple personality disorders that decided to stop taking their medication because they felt fine that day.

1:25:01Etienne FontanAnd then they came and self-medicated and then slipped into their more dangerous personalities. And in Berkeley, we have a psychological unit that we can call and they come and evaluate. And if they have to call in the rubber room, et cetera, they do so. And that has happened a few times. And specifically due to people who had multiple personality disorders, who had a negative reaction. Thank you for watching.

1:25:47Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

1:26:05Etienne FontanWhich is, I just got in yesterday, which is from the, now the teaching from the American Nurses Association because cannabis nursing is now a specialty. And so there's a book now. There's not only, there's a book on the subject here. Let's see if I can get, so you can actually scan the, there's an actual scan. There's a QR code. Right? So you can actually learn more. And this is put out by the American Cannabis Nurses Association.

1:26:36Etienne FontanMy group Veterans Action Council has interviewed Rachel Parmalee, who's one of the nursing teachers who, you know, now has contributed to this book. So not only has there been advances thanks to many other brave doctors, but now, you know, The American Nursing Association is not only recognized, it is recognized as a specialization in nursing. So I just got this. It's a scope and practices. So I have yet to absorb it, but I'm looking forward to absorbing this in the coming weeks.

1:27:10Etienne FontanSo Thank you for joining us.

1:27:38Etienne FontanI know, crazy, huh? But now the accreditation gets better, right? Because Dr. David Allen, that's been a problem that we've had. And one reason why I had a whole bunch of pulmonologists reach out to me years ago and ask us to give them the teaching lesson on cannabis because there's no Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:28:24Etienne FontanAll right, well,

1:28:51SpeakerMy first day of residency, my chief resident said, remember, the pioneers get the arrows. And if we want to know your opinion, we'll tell it to you.

1:29:10Etienne FontanAin't that the truth.

1:29:14Etienne FontanSo when did you find that abarcation, right? What was the first ascent, Dr. Allen, where you realized that cannabis was medicine? It had to be pretty early on. And of course, you've gone through conventional medicine and now finding that cannabis actually fits in there somewhere, but the conventional medicine doesn't know how to fit that puzzle in. How was it navigating those waters?

1:29:39SpeakerWell, I started smoking when I was 17. I'm 72 now. And I immediately knew there was something about it that made me feel better. I didn't know. I just knew there was something about it. And, you know, there's been such a pile of money spent demonizing cannabis. I have a hard time believing anything the anti-cannabis people talk about. So when I first talked about schizophrenia, Link, You know, then I went to the causality and, you know, is it really causality or is it just association or what, you know?

1:30:26SpeakerSo I just don't believe anything they say negative about cannabis because there's so much information that they're lying.

1:30:39SpeakerSo it's hard to believe the science nowadays, but if we start with Reviewing patents, they can't argue with us.

1:30:51Etienne FontanAnd we have. We used that in 2022 when my veterans group was lobbying on Capitol Hill. We were talking specifically with representatives and senators and making them aware of that specific patent and patent number. And I would say 99% of them had no idea that even existed.

1:31:08SpeakerYeah. Who would even suspect that CBD may be the treatment or cure of diabetes? So the real studies are just with smoking cannabis. Proving decreasing incidence of diabetes by 66% over a 20-year period, but nobody's done any studies. What happens if you eat cannabis every day or hemp every day? What does that do to diabetes? And that may be actually the cure of diabetes because it protects the oxidation of your beta cells, which produce the insulin.

1:31:58Etienne FontanCan you explain that further for the layman like myself, what that means?

1:32:03SpeakerWell, the pancreas, the beta cells in the pancreas are actually the ones that produce insulin. And they can do studies on beta cells by exposing the pancreas to oxidizing substances. And they can detect it, you know, if there's CBD on board before they give the substance that kills the cells, that 94% of the cells that are unprotected with CBD die. And the majority of cells live, 100% of them live if there's CBD on board.

1:32:49SpeakerSo it protects the cells from being killed by oxidative metabolisms.

1:32:59SpeakerSo take your CBD every day. It should be, it's a nutraceutical. It should be in the diets of all humans and animals because animals have the ECS as well.

1:33:24BubblemanSorry, guys, I'm just doing some side stuff here in the chat. Might be time for a dab. I've got some Full Melt Dry Sift. God, it's been a long time since I've had some Full Melt Dry Sift, I'm not going to lie.

1:33:37SpeakerMan.

1:33:38BubblemanCleaned this up the other day on the screens using the old Skunk Man Sam tech, and this is just a six-star melt into nothing. Oh, my God. Everyone should have this all the time. I'm so jealous. Dude, you're like down in like fricking, are you in Arkansas or where are you at right now?

1:33:59SpeakerMississippi. Mississippi. South Mississippi. You in the South, boy. Man. You a heap trouble, boy. That's deep South.

1:34:08Etienne FontanYeah, I'm from Southern Louisiana. My sister lives in Jackson, so I understand exactly where you are and how challenging it is for cannabis, even with the new system that they have going. You know, Mississippi is still Mississippi. So, I mean, I've grown up with that understanding and challenging. But Mississippi currently has a better system than Louisiana, which has a very monopolistic closed loop sort of situation. With limited access and availability.

1:34:41Etienne FontanAnd the quality of their cannabis is definitely low compared to others. And they're gouging people. And a friend of mine, Council Member Tony Landry, is currently going after a company called Good Day Farms for unfair practices where they're gouging people in Louisiana for what they're growing and charging less in other states where they go. So this is a problem we're finding with multi-state operators. You know, navigating these laws of these little 10th Amendment realities that exist and none, no two are the same.

1:35:16SpeakerAll right, well, here's an epiphany for you. You heard it here first. Cannabis and hemp are, in fact, money. And if you legalize cannabis or hemp in your state, money will come to your state in one of two fashions. If the citizens can grow, then the money will come to the citizens and they will spend it inside the state and everybody will prosper. If the citizens can't grow, then out of state cannabis cartel carpetbagger companies will come and grow and they will extort the money from the people and they will take it out of state.

1:36:02SpeakerThat's an epiphany.

1:36:05Etienne FontanThat's more of a fact. But yes, that's a reality. And I think you succinctly put it into a reality that most people can understand. And that's why we're always fighting for people to have that ability to grow. Not only to have that ability, but of course, we also know the joys that come with growing Growing and taking something while you're going through a very tough, hard time.

1:36:33Etienne FontanThere's a growth therapy that happens that becomes enriching to the soul of the person who's going through the illness, but also creating life while also suffering. And that dichotomy has seemed to enrich people's lives when they have that availability. So that's one reason we definitely fight for patients access and especially their ability to grow.

1:36:58SpeakerYeah, and you can't put it in your food if it costs $20 a gram, but if you can grow it in your backyard, you can put it in your food.

1:37:10Etienne FontanWe need to have you on more, Dr. Allen. You're right up our alley and can speak a language that we can't, but also educate others on a level that needs to be ascended. I am a humble servant.

1:37:26BubblemanA humble servant of jaw. I say that all the time, man. I love it. Now, do you want to tell a little bit about your past? You don't have to if you don't want to, but I'd love for you to talk about some of the crazy shit that went down, dude. This was insane.

1:37:41SpeakerWell, man, I don't even know where to start.

1:37:47BubblemanWhen did the shit hit the fan for Dr. David Asimov?

1:37:55SpeakerWell, it actually happened with my divorce. And, you know, if you have, if you're in the cannabis industry at all, never tell your girlfriend what you're doing. Because it will come back on you. And anyway, so when I got divorced, my wife was trying to do whatever she could to nail me from afar. And She called the drug task force and set them on me. And I left Mississippi and left my property in the care of my sister.

1:38:38SpeakerIt's a 48-acre lake estate. It's worth lots of money. And it's close to the town. And the drug task force wanted it. And... So anyway, she called the drug task force and sent them in to investigate me. And so I left and went to California to start a cannabis practice as a doctor. And I left here and about nine months later, they raided my property with my sister here.

1:39:25SpeakerAnd they found like four grams of marijuana and 14 grams of hash. And they charged her with it. But they also charged me. I was living in California. They charged me with possession and sales and a bunch of stuff. And so... What's the charge for that?

1:39:47BubblemanWhat do you get? Like 10 years mandatory minimum down there for something like that?

1:39:53SpeakerI don't know exactly, but yeah, they originally wanted to give me like 35 years in prison. Jesus Christ. That was the negotiation, that if I accepted that, they would only give me 35, otherwise I had to go to court. So I went to court after 14 months in prison, pre-trial, and I was found I had six felonies and the judge threw out four of them as having no evidence and the other two came back 11 to 1 and 7 to 5 on the other two charges and the judge declared a mistrial and so basically I was saved by jury nullification and every cannabis activist should Thank you for joining us.

1:41:20SpeakerGet get slaves out of the South. And after a while, people realized that helping slave escapes slavery was not a crime and they they would Thank you for joining us.

1:41:55SpeakerSo you say not guilty, and they can't find a jury of 12 people that will say guilty. So after a while, the judges can't find 12 people to prosecute a crime. And also, prosecutors don't like to prosecute a case they can't win. Exactly. That is true.

1:42:18BubblemanYou can see what you're saying is true, because look at how they've done that. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:42:43BubblemanThis is a new concept to me and thank you for teaching me that. Yeah, it's a wild one anyway.

1:43:08BubblemanIt is a wild one. So yeah, continue on about your story. So you're, you're, they came for you. They wanted to give you 35 years. You're like, I'm going to court.

1:43:18SpeakerYeah. So I spent 14 months pre-trial in George County Correctional Facility here in Mississippi and had to fight my way with the The inmates and all kinds of crazy shit happened.

1:43:37BubblemanHow fucking crazy is it that you trying to like just be just having cannabis in your life? Get you a doctor. Like, kind of like, don't we look up to doctors? Like, they're like, oh, it's the doctor. He's saving lives. He saved my grandpa. He saved my mother. Like, he operated on her heart. If you were like some criminal doctor ripping off the system and fucking just prescribing oxys and just doing all the heinous shit, you'd be celebrated and win awards.

1:44:07SpeakerRight. I had doctors back here in Mississippi talk bad about me because I was into cannabis. But these same doctors were giving prescriptions for Xanax and opioids and stuff like that. They were the ones that were doing harm and I wasn't.

1:44:29BubblemanIt's scary that the system is built like that. It's scary that all of the systems are built like that. It's not just health. It's justice. It's every system that seems to be in place right now is like bizarro land. It's like flipped upside down. It's like what it's saying it is, it's the opposite of.

1:44:48SpeakerWell, exactly. So the medical board came after me in California. Kamala Harris was the... The law changes the reality.

1:45:24SpeakerBy changing the verbiage, they change the language, which changes the reality. So they say, they make up words. And so really, when you go to trial, they don't try you in English. They try you in legal jargon that you have to hire an interpreter, they call a lawyer, to interpret the language that they're charging you with so you can defend yourself. So it's changing the language changes the reality.

1:46:07SpeakerDo you think that Pamela Harris has changed her mind about cannabis? Well, she was smoking cannabis before she went after me anyway, so yeah. I know that.

1:46:20Etienne FontanYeah, we educated her, Sam. Various people, while she was the California Attorney General, made her aware because there was a lot of test cases and situations. So she is very educated and would have been much friendlier than the administration we're going to be existing under.

1:46:40BubblemanWe'll see. Wow.

1:46:45SpeakerI'm just glad she didn't become president because I didn't want the president to be the one that took my medical license away.

1:46:51BubblemanYou know what, the way I look at it, and I don't know a ton about American politics, but I have yet to see an administration say actively that they're going to go after the FDA and the pharmaceutical corporations. I've never seen that said before. And it seems almost believable, like you're like, fuck, like, obviously, everything out of a politician's mouth is a huge lie. And I totally understand that.

1:47:16BubblemanBut when I saw that, I was like, whoa, am I like, that's crazy, right? Like, I'm looking to my left, I'm looking to my right. I'm like, I wish someone in Canada would get into power and say those things like, holy shit, because those things seem to be the biggest protectors of prohibition of cannabis. I wonder if an administration who goes after the pharmaceutical cartels is more likely to allow a drug or a plant like cannabis to exist and be legal than an administration that does not.

1:47:48SpeakerWorst thing about prosecutors is that they sometimes conceal evidence that's beneficial to a patient and they don't get prosecuted for it.

1:48:01BubblemanRight. Well, that's all the corruption that I was kind of talking about in all of these systems. It seems to be like a very human trait, temptation, right? When temptation is just too high, people buckle. And when you think of what these companies are protecting and why we've been banging our heads against the walls for 40 plus years to look at cannabis and why even Canada that allows it as a medicine still makes statements Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:48:53BubblemanAlthough that could be made argument towards the preventative aspect of cannabis and which become then then becomes, you know, Brownie Mary's logo of there's no such thing as recreational cannabis. It all becomes medical at that point in time.

1:49:08Etienne FontanRight.

1:49:11Etienne FontanAnyway, that was that was Dennis Perrone, although Dennis Perrone, OK, they work tightly together and were joined at the hip many a time.

1:49:19BubblemanI always saw it as a Brownie Marie quote. See, one time someone gets it wrong and then the rest of us pass it on. It's definitely Dennis.

1:49:25SpeakerAnd when I would talk with Dennis, I would say, does that include the industrial hemp? Because all cannabis use is medical. And I would say, even when you're growing hemp for fiber.

1:49:38Etienne FontanThose were therapeutic genes I was selling, Sam.

1:49:41BubblemanOf course, it's medical for the planet. Think of how much better it is to not spray. The guy over spraying cotton compared to the guy growing hemp, not to mention the phytoremediative properties. It is medicinal for the soil to grow hemp. Yeah.

1:49:59Etienne FontanWell, not only that, it is just an example. When we grew a golden compote in Eastern Europe, by growing that color, we no longer had to bleach the fiber. And so when you no longer have to bleach something, remember fiber, I mean, fiber doused with bleach, the bleach stays in there forever. It doesn't go away.

1:50:19SpeakerThat variety was bred by my good friend, Dr. Ivan Boska, correct?

1:50:26Etienne FontanCorrect. And that varietal helped us once it was water-redded. Since it was a lighter color, we no longer had to bleach it, and so therefore it saved a whole series of properties that would have gone through that are detrimental. So, you know, it's even grown correctly, and the right varietal can save multiple steps that conventional machinery and production doesn't live by.

1:50:54SpeakerWell, I knew Dennis Perrone, and I'd like to add the caveat to his statement that all cannabis use is medicine. And my caveat is, even if you don't understand the complex science of the endocannabinoid signaling system.

1:51:13SpeakerTrue. True story.

1:51:16BubblemanWell, it'll be interesting to see how the show is received. We're hoping on starting it in early January. And like Dr. Allen said, probably 10 to 15 minute episodes, maybe one a week. And that this show will be for members only of the channel. We're looking at... Not a lot, four or five bucks per episode. So we'll see how that goes for the start. I've already had some people sign up.

1:51:47BubblemanNice. That's going to go directly to help Dr. Allen and also to pay some of the guests that we have on who will take their time to break down the science simplistically. And I think another important part is really going to be in the title. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:52:32BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:52:51SpeakerWell, for some reason, every time I talk, my volume keeps going down to nothing. So I was trying to say a few different things, a few different. I don't know why, which is pretty cool. As you've been doing this for the last like hour and about two hours, I created something for you, Dr. Allen, and for everybody here. It's a cannabinoid research assistant for patents and insights.

1:53:10SpeakerIt's called Cairo. So what are the latest patents on cannabinoids? How do I categorize patents and patients? A bunch of stuff. So I just kind of built this. This is something I'm pretty good at now. And this might be able to aid in along. There's things we can take a look at that can help along with this way. This is great where we can start looking at this.

1:53:28SpeakerAnd this just gave me a great idea. And I threw it in the chat here for you. And you take a look at it. And I've been kind of working heavy on this and how we can actually get this information out there. And this is just one more way of being able to use a super intelligence to gather that data, track it, categorize it so we can actually utilize it.

1:53:44SpeakerSo this is pretty awesome. So just wanted to chuck that in there. Awesome, Johnny B. I'm signing in right now. Yeah, take a look at that. I'm like giving myself a pat on the back. Oops, we ran into an issue. Uh-oh. So many awesome ways. So this is just something that we can start playing with. So I want you guys to utilize this right now and see if it got any in there.

1:54:04SpeakerAnd then we can kind of work together on this and then really get this to the mainstream like now.

1:54:09BubblemanI'm just signing in right now. Go ahead.

1:54:15Etienne FontanSince we were talking Dennis Perrone, Dennis Perrone was also a veteran. I'm also a combat veteran. And I received this award from MVETS, which is one of the oldest American veterans organizations. It has my name in it. But when you open it up, It's the Dennis Perrone Award. And inside reads the inscription. Dennis Robert Perrone, April 8th, 1945, January 27th, 2018, was an American activist and businessman who became a leader in the movement for legalization of cannabis throughout the 90s.

1:54:51Etienne FontanDennis is considered the quote-unquote father of marijuana. He influenced many in California and thus changed the political debate on marijuana in the United States. He served in the United States Air Force in Vietnam, and he was there during the Tet Offensive.

1:55:10SpeakerSo there, that's... Show you guys something here if I can.

1:55:13BubblemanPlease do.

1:55:19SpeakerOh, I don't know. Oh, here it is. All right. This is something I created.

1:55:27SpeakerI had patches and bumper stickers. Drug War Veteran. That's heavy, dude. I've got that patch. I've got that pin, too, and that patch. All right. Yeah, I made this. Thank you. Thank you for your service. I'm a Drug War Veteran. Yeah, you are. Holy shit. Man. Okay. I'm having trouble controlling this thing, but.

1:56:01BubblemanWell, you have to push those arrows the same way. There we go.

1:56:03SpeakerI got it. So anyway, I'm a drug war veteran. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

1:56:12BubblemanI can't believe Kamala Harris was like on the top of the document against you.

1:56:17SpeakerMan. Yeah, I'm glad she didn't become president, man. I'd be in trouble for sure.

1:56:22BubblemanYeah, I guess you might not forget, hey?

1:56:26Etienne FontanYeah. But that's why we educated her after you were attacked, Dr. Allen and others, because we realized that we can continue to, you know, chastise these people or we can own up and actually educate them. So unfortunately, you were one of, like me, those pioneers who got the arrows. And they hurt. They really hurt.

1:56:48BubblemanToo bad they couldn't recognize their education and be like, you know what? Like, instead of today destroying a bunch of sort of basically innocent people's lives, what we could do is send out a bunch of letters with our name on the top, apologizing and explaining, we now have a better understanding of this subject and we're no longer going to be trying to, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:57:40Etienne FontanThat they would hear patients every time the business name was read so that they would eventually get, oh, this is a group of Berkeley patients. And that's the extent it took. And many of us took that type of foresight because there was no defenses. And over time we were able to navigate those, create organizations like Thank you so much for joining us.

1:58:26Etienne FontanThey were immediately gone after by the Clinton administration. General McCaffrey put their names up on in press releases and on television and actively went after the Americans right to have that doctor patient confidentiality. And they had to test those waters and won that. But that's the extent the doctors had to because I'm sorry as much as we'd love that kumbaya, Marcus, they were not going to admit all of a sudden that cannabis had medical properties.

1:58:57Etienne FontanWe just now have shows.

1:58:59BubblemanIt shows. Hold on.

1:59:00Etienne FontanThey're pulling right now just for schedule five to talk about schedule three. Right. We've only after 50 plus years got it out or we're finally moving it out of schedule one. And that's taken multiple lawsuits, multiple failures to finally arrive where we currently are, which is in a new space altogether.

1:59:23BubblemanI'm just like, shit or get off the pot, guys. Like, holy fucking shit. This is like, as long as that mentality exists that we can't let a crack in the wall happen, we're being governed by the wrong people. And when that crack finally explodes and that wall collapses, then we can look at whoever's in power and be like, okay, you know what? Everything's not perfect, but this is the direction we should be going.

1:59:48BubblemanIt's fuck, we're not asking for a lot. Just be human and let people have access to a plant.

1:59:55Etienne FontanWell, that's what we had to do. We had to use our humanness to get Proposition 215 passed to show and, you know, and then each way, right, medical has led to that acceptance. But even though the changes of that many states, Marcus, didn't lead the FDA to go for its change. It had to take the president and the treaty change that my friend Michael Krawitz and the group actually affected that is having this ripple effect currently that we're going through rescheduling.

2:00:28Etienne FontanSo if Michael Krawitz and our international group of Kenzie and our wonderful people at Fields of Green for All in South Africa, Myrtle Clark and them, hadn't have actually gone to the UN and changed it in 2020, We would not currently be where we are. So that's why we have to continue fighting currently for adult use that we're shooting for by 2030 because we can't wait for America.

2:00:56Etienne FontanAmerica has shown us firsthand and the doctor's experience firsthand has taught us Thank you for watching.

2:01:23Etienne FontanThank you for watching.

2:01:41BubblemanSomething's got to change in a big way anyway. It's crazy to just keep asking these same people permission to fucking let us do all the things we want to do, which really are very simple.

2:01:50Etienne FontanBut look what it took for you to do it in Canada. You had to have how many different citizens petition your actual court to change that they combined, what, 300 plus cases into, you know.

2:02:02BubblemanI swear, I don't even think it was that as much as Trudeau wanted to be elected and that's how he was going to do it. And since then, he's just...

2:02:12Etienne FontanSo you think it was Trudeau's political... Oh, yeah.

2:02:15BubblemanYeah, well, it was. It was. He's known for it in Canada. That's the one thing that he did. Not that he did a good job at it. He's... Dude, this guy can't walk the streets of Canada without being, like, heckled and yelled at and swore at and, like, verbally abused. There's a video right now of him. He went to a ski hill and shut the whole thing down and was cutting in front of families and...

2:02:37BubblemanAnd he had a woman come up to him at his car. And she was like, Mr. Prime Minister. And he turns around all smiley. He's putting his hand out to shake her hand. And she shakes his hand and she says, get the fuck out of BC. Seriously. And then walks away. And it's just like, we've never had that in the history of our country. And don't get me wrong.

2:02:57BubblemanLike people disliked Harper and Brian Mulroney was disliked. And like John Chrétien. There have been prime ministers. Every prime minister has been disliked.

2:03:06Speakeri don't know of any prime minister within my life that was as hated as this particular one he is yeah he's super smarmy he's just a total douchebag yeah it's weird whether you like that party or not he's just he's not a good leader and he's he's so he's got so much hatred like i can't imagine why he hasn't passed the torch down to somebody else in the party I think political parties are ridiculous myself.

2:03:34SpeakerThey're all absurd on a different level. But I think the legalization was a little bit more complicated than that. We had this patient program that grew up. Completely out of control. The MMR system, it just, it was, they were handing out licenses and they still do. They're handing out licenses willy nilly to anybody that wants to grow a few plants. And along with the possession, sorry, along with the license to cultivate, you would get a license to possess in public.

2:04:08SpeakerAnd people had, Very high licenses. Like there was a lawyer in Canada, for example, that had a license for 1,500 plants, right? And many kilos of flour that he could pull around. And so the cops would pull these people over and they'd be clearly trafficking cannabis, you know, moving it from their grow to a dispensary and nothing could be done about it. Like the cops essentially were...

2:04:34SpeakerYou know, they had no power to regulate the law. And so we had two parties. The Stephen Harper's party tried to shut it down using this court case that became the Allard case that Marcus and any other Canadian knows about. And Trudeau took the opposite tact, which was to finally regulate and open the market up to everyone. And legalize the sale. Because it was, these dispensaries were operating with impunity in many Canadian cities.

2:05:07SpeakerThere were shops on every corner in every neighborhood. And it was unregulated and uncontrolled. And It was really about, to me at least, my opinion was it was really about like how do we wrangle this thing that has already gotten out of the cage, right? How do we put some kind of regulation around it? Is this the worst Canadian, Emily Murphy?

2:05:36Etienne FontanI thought it was the geese. Those geese that are the international ambassadors, I thought those were the rudest Canadians ever.

2:05:44BubblemanIf you give them their space and you don't fuck with them, they're pretty cool, man. But if you get in their shit, they'll let you know.

2:05:50Etienne FontanI do not like your cobra chickens. Yeah, they're dinosaurs.

2:05:56BubblemanYeah, they are. Dude, they can fly as far as a 747. They're insane.

2:06:03SpeakerEmily Murphy was like the Anne Slinger of Canada. Yeah, she was, she was, she was a total racist. I remember.

2:06:14BubblemanBut how many, how many times did she get caught doing blackface in photograph, Ryan?

2:06:20SpeakerEmily Murphy, well, it was so long ago. I mean, we're talking 100 years ago now, aren't we? I know, but Trudeau got caught twice doing that. I know. Yeah. Well, he's a goofball. I mean, he's got to go. He really absolutely has to go. And I can't believe he's not stepping down. But whatever. It is what it is. It's funny. I was at a rally on Parliament Hill, one of our federal marijuana party legalization rallies.

2:06:47SpeakerAnd it wasn't very many people. There must have been only a couple of hundred people there, if that. And Boris, do you remember Mark Boris?

2:06:55Ryan Dank AfOh, yeah.

2:06:56SpeakerYeah, from Grimmskunk, and he later became a politician. He actually later became a liberal politician. Yeah, he did. And he went to pie, like a whipped cream, put a whipped cream pie on the face of the statue of Emily Murphy that is on Parliament Hill. And so he made this announcement using a megaphone when he was going to go and do this thing. And so everybody walked over to the statue and two RCMP8 police officers decided that they were going to get in between him and the statue and prevent him from throwing this whipped cream pie on the face of the statue.

2:07:37SpeakerAnd Boris tried to dance around them and in the process got some whipped cream on one of the jackets of the RCP officer and they charged him with assault. Right? Really?

2:07:50BubblemanCan you get charged for assault with that? Or is that only in Europe you're allowed to do that? Because they do it to politicians and they do it specifically because you can't be charged with assault.

2:07:59SpeakerWell, they charged him with assault of a peace officer. And yeah, he ended up coming down and staying with me. I, you know, cause I lived not too, too far from the courthouse in a little town or a little neighborhood called Sandy Hill, just outside of the University of Ottawa. And so Boris would come down and stay with me and, you know, he'd go to court. And I remember he showed up once and he was like, Yeah, I got court tomorrow and my roommate had just been caught with possession for the purpose of trafficking.

2:08:30SpeakerAnd he was like, oh yeah, I've got court tomorrow as well. We'll go down together.

2:08:35Ryan Dank AfRight.

2:08:36SpeakerBut yeah, they, I think they eventually dropped the charges against him, but it was so absurd. I mean, that was the level of stupidity in Canada is that they're like, you know, like you're having the police get in between, you Someone trying to throw a pie at a statue, right?

2:08:51BubblemanBut think of the billable hours. Like, what did they pull out of that? 100, 200 Gs by getting him to court all those times and locking up paperwork and just making things super inefficient. Like, I bet you it was at least 50 grand. That they build and took in while he was just like to him. It was just like, this is so weird. It's such a waste of time.

2:09:10BubblemanI don't even understand it. In the meantime, they're just like pulling money in left, right and center from all of these people that they're doing this to on the constant. It's definitely a part of the corruption. You know, keep the group.

2:09:23SpeakerIt was some stupid cop like wanting to be like insert his like how like what would What damage would whipped cream do to a bronze statue, right? I mean, these things are out in the rain and the snow and the ice like for years, for decades, right? And you're concerned about a little bit of whipped cream getting put on the statue? Like, it's just so absurd. It was a symbolic protest.

2:09:48SpeakerRight.

2:09:48BubblemanBut I mean, if he wanted to bring the right symbology to the party, he should have brought like 10 or 15 pigeons and just put like bread up on that fucking statue. And they would have covered that thing in shit in the first hour of being there. Then that's like a real sort of protest.

2:10:06SpeakerLook, look, I've got the birds doing it for me and there's nothing you can do. I just remember us being down there and it was like, again, this is pre this must have been. What year would this have been early 2000s and you know they had like five RCMP with cameras rolling the entire time to to film everybody in the protest and you know they're they're doing intel they're collecting intel and it was just like you know we were an official registered political party

2:10:38BubblemanIt's always the same mentality, though. They did it here like crazy. There was always cops with video cameras, like, filming at the protests.

2:10:47SpeakerEverywhere they were, like, on top of the buildings, on top of the...

2:10:50BubblemanThis is such a weird flex when you think of all the money wasted. I always felt like, aren't there, like, missing children you could be looking for? Like, isn't there just something... That's like super important that you could be spending your time on right now because here's the thing. We're already filming this. We'll film it. And if you gave us a site to post it, we'd even do that too.

2:11:16BubblemanWe'll create the video for you. Like you don't have to waste your money. Go do something important for society.

2:11:24BubblemanAnd now we do. We literally post everything. We get together on Sundays for four hours and just talk turkey. And smoke weed. And Smokash.

2:11:39SpeakerIn Amsterdam, I tied the publisher of Treating Yourself magazine, Marco.

2:11:49Etienne FontanYeah, Marco Rondo.

2:11:51SpeakerYes, because he was publishing stories about me that were just false. And I tried to straighten him out. He refused. So when he was in Amsterdam at the High Times Cannabis Cup, I actually, what I did was I paid two girls who were like models at one of the cannabis seed companies. And they walked up to him and tied him. I was right there.

2:12:22BubblemanYou were there? Well, not only was I there, but your wife told me it was going to happen and said, can you film it? And I filmed it and put it live on the internet. And so how everyone saw it, because otherwise like 25 people or 50 people would have seen it. I put it on the internet and got thousands of views. And then Marco hit me up and was like, dude, what the fuck?

2:12:44BubblemanI was like, I was like, I didn't, I, I, I, I.

2:12:49SpeakerWell, I was actually funny enough. I was telling the story to Johnny, Johnny B two days ago or 48 hours ago, maybe. Yeah, but because again, same, same thing. He, Johnny, or not Johnny, sorry. Marco had posted a story from Joe Pietri. I knew it. I knew it was Pietri. Yeah. And, and Pietri was more than one. Yeah, well, and, and, you know, when, when, when you become an editor of a, a magazine and you allow people to put libel into print, you're, you're, you're actually liable for that, for the damages.

2:13:30SpeakerAnd, uh, I remember saying to Mark, I ripped Marco apart about it online and saying, you've allowed this guy to post these stories that are completely fabricated as if they're fact and you're contributing to the smear campaign. And I later confronted him about the same thing in Barcelona at one of those associations. But yeah, like Marco was just, he was really about doing it for the publicity, right?

2:13:56SpeakerAnd he claimed that he was, well, it's not me. It's not me. It's I'm just giving a place for the story to be written. Right. And, you know, as you know, like, you know, you, you, Marcus, know, I mean, we take these slights against Sam quite, quite personally.

2:14:13BubblemanWell, I took this one even more personally because it wasn't just a slight against Sam. It was a massive bashing of me as well. And connecting the two of us, it said in the article that Sam or no, Bubble Man, a production or a creation of Skunk Man, Sam, I was he created me. He like created me to go out and do what I was doing.

2:14:34SpeakerAnd you never thanked me, Marcus.

2:14:37BubblemanDude, I thank you every day, brother. What are you talking about? Yeah, Joe Petrie, you have to understand that whole thing with Joe Petrie and really even the reason he went after Sam for sure was because of me. Because how I met Joe Petrie I was at a Tokers Bowl that Mark Emery was throwing. It might have been the first Tokers Bowl. And I was sharing a booth with Chris Bennett.

2:15:04BubblemanWhich is our cannabis historian, written a lot of great books, too many to name. And so I was sharing my booth with Chris and because he didn't have a booth and I was like, oh, dude, just here, you know, I got a little booth here. Put your stuff on it. I was doing the bubble bags. It was like 2000 or 2001.

2:15:23BubblemanAnd Chris came up to me at one point and he said, hey, there's this guy, he wrote a really cool book called King of Nepal, and he doesn't have anywhere to put it down. Do you think you'd be willing to put it on your booth? So how I started all of this with Joe Petrie just hating my guts to the tune of like, still to this day, the sound of my voice is probably like...

2:15:45BubblemanAnd so this fucking guy, I offer him to come and spend time at my booth and sell his book. I'm not asking for money. I probably paid a thousand bucks. It was like, no problem. So it started as a gift from me to him, happily out of respect for Chris Bennett, because I have such respect for him. He's such a good dude. And these authors aren't always like super wealthy.

2:16:07BubblemanThey're struggling. They're trying to sell books and stuff. I was happy to help. And we had a great weekend, honestly. Joe told stories and he seemed like a serious guy, but a fun guy. And we, you know, smoked everywhere, boat cruises. I think the police tried to pull us over on the boat at one point in time. It was a total Mark Emery event. He rented out this restaurant, which like at the time was absolutely unheard of.

2:16:31BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:16:54BubblemanAnd then at the end, like a couple weeks after it ended, Joe Petrie hit me up and he's like, hey, blah, blah, blah. Thanks for sharing my booth. And I just, yeah, I wanted to get you that money. And I was like, oh, you don't owe me any money, dude. And he's like, no, well, for the bags. And I'm like, for the bags? He's like, yeah, yeah, I grabbed some of those bags from you.

2:17:12BubblemanI'm like, the bags, like the bubble bags? He's like, yeah, I grabbed a set of bubble bags. I'm like, time out. You grabbed a set of bubble bags and for whatever reason I just couldn't get had I just maybe just been like oh okay cool dude well whatever yeah you can send a little bit of cash but I was just like time out you took a set of bubble bags and I kind of just couldn't get over it I was pointing it out and in a very short time our conversation just did a 180 And then what did he say to me at the end?

2:17:42BubblemanHe said, I will do everything in my power to destroy you. And then he hung up on me. And I was like, wow, that was pretty serious. Also, Marcus, he was a giant supporter of Reinhardt. Well, he, listen, that was also because of me. The whole reason he was a Reinhardt supporter was because of me. And also why I ended up getting sued by Reinhardt was also because of me.

2:18:09BubblemanSo I can't, I'm not blaming Joe Petrie for anything. I became friends with Reinhardt. I paid him six figures for his performance. Patents that was truly his patent and the bags were absolutely created from. There was no doubt about it after I went through the long lawsuit. But bottom line is for inviting Joe Petrie into my life, but not letting that one second go when he was telling me he had the money for the bags.

2:18:31BubblemanIt caused me. Years and years of pain and anguish. Like it is incredible how much a person can fuck with you. And so I can laugh about it now because really I learned from it. I learned that, you know, the bags, even though Eldon had kind of invented them and Mila had been the first to bring them to market, they were really based on his patented machine at the time that Mila had signed the contract with him in 99.

2:18:59BubblemanI went through and learned all of this all because of this inviting of this gentleman onto my booth.

2:19:15SpeakerYou know my personal feelings about it, that he didn't deserve that patent because it was nearly, it was not new or novel when I had instructions in High Times Magazine how to do much the same thing.

2:19:32BubblemanBut you didn't have the instructions in High Times Magazine. I went through this with very good lawyers and the problem was, had you published those instructions, it would have been a done deal. Although the novelty of ICE... Which I don't believe was in your. No, I just mentioned cold water.

2:20:07BubblemanAnd had the original instructions, that would have put it into the category of previously published art.

2:20:16SpeakerBut I could not make that final connection. And so did Tycoon Technologies, Kenny Merrill.

2:20:25BubblemanThey didn't have them. They couldn't produce them. So that was the problem. Yeah, in the end, I felt fine paying Reinhart. It was well-deserved. He truly did get a patent on something that changed the game, and I was happy to be a part of it. And it felt like after being bashed for 10 years by people saying I was a thief, it felt amazing to be on the right side of whatever that was, was like, no, I wasn't a thief.

2:20:54BubblemanI paid my well-dos to the actual guy who owned the patent. In the meantime, the people calling me a thief, Did not.

2:21:02SpeakerWhat year was the patent filed?

2:21:06BubblemanOh, the patent was filed in like maybe 98.

2:21:14BubblemanOr 97, 97. It would have to been before 98 because it was 97. That's when he went to Amsterdam and signed the deal with Mila. He wasn't showing that machine due to his understanding of how to file a patent to anyone until it was patent pending.

2:21:30SpeakerI should have filed the patent in 88 when Neville showed me how to do that. What year was Rob's hashish book patented or published? 98. Hmm.

2:21:44BubblemanYeah. No, I went through this in court. Trust me. I took like the publishing date of Rob's book was a big thing. The publishing of the instructions, like it was all like so close. And then the more and more I tried to like, like basically not pay Reinhardt, the more and more. It was just didn't make sense. And when I finally met Reinhardt and we spoke and we didn't have lawyers around us anymore.

2:22:11BubblemanAnd I wouldn't say my lawyer was a bad lawyer. He was good. He was on my side. But their interest is to keep things going. And our interest was to shut it down right away.

2:22:20SpeakerWas this in Europe, Mark? Where was the case? Where was the case done?

2:22:23BubblemanThe case was here in Canada. Yeah, it was here in Canada. And so I had to I invited two other Canadian lawyers. Companies that were doing water extraction, Jason from Payload Bags and Lucy from the Triple Extractor Bags out in Quebec. She was a single mom and I thought she could probably use the help not paying for a lawsuit on her own because he was suing all of us.

2:22:47BubblemanIt was easy for us to combine our forces and use one lawyer. So that saved us like 66% off each of the cost of the lawsuit. So we had all these strategies, but in the end, sometimes the strategy isn't really to destroy the person on the other side. It's opening up your mind and ears long enough to hear that maybe you were at fault. And if you were, this is an opportunity for you to make it right.

2:23:14SpeakerYeah, or pay the least amount of money. I mean, whether you pay a lot. He also threatened to sue Mila, but he never did.

2:23:22BubblemanYeah, he definitely served her papers on a few occasions or threatened, but you're right. Yeah, in Europe, Reinhardt had a lot of other things going on. One included him, very personal matter with his grandchild. And it was a very important personal matter that was like fascinating. Thank you for joining us today.

2:24:01BubblemanFor eternity, I can make bubble bags and I'm not going to be sued. And I'm okay with that. You know, I'm okay with when I found out how it came to be that really that the bags themselves specifically weren't from Sadhu Sam's water extraction secret. And like it came directly from looking at that machine. And that's why I felt fine with paying him that fee.

2:24:32SpeakerThe patent number on that is 9899-895-394B2. Is that correct?

2:24:43Ryan Dank AfPut it, link it in the chat so everybody can see it.

2:24:48SpeakerThe reason Marco Renda quit working with Joe Petrie was because... I sent him a copy of Joe's book where he admitted helping the DEA bust a 500 kilo load to New York City.

2:25:07BubblemanYeah, it's in his book. That's crazy.

2:25:10SpeakerMarco Rendo did?

2:25:12BubblemanNo.

2:25:13SpeakerMarco Rendo, when I sent him that quote from his book, refused to have anything to do with Joe Petrie anymore. I'm just looking up, this patent was filed in 1998, U.S. patent. I'm just, I created that little thing there, so it's kind of cool.

2:25:35BubblemanYeah, but I think it was pending in 97 or something. There was definitely a 97 attached to it.

2:25:40SpeakerOkay, there you go, you know that then.

2:25:42BubblemanWell, I spent like $100,000 going to court over the course of five years with this particular... And there's two patents. He had both method and apparatus patents, right? And then you can see...

2:25:56SpeakerI never tried to file a patent because I did not create the method that I used. It was told to me by Neville and... I didn't think it was mine, so of course I wouldn't try to patent it, but I wish I would have just to save you guys money.

2:26:14BubblemanI was okay with it. In the end, I was okay. I felt quite happy paying the patent fee.

2:26:20SpeakerThere's one here right now. It says for international patent on applications detailed on water-based extractions and purification process for cannabinoid acids utilizing citizens bearing pH levels insoluble. Yeah, there's all kinds of different ones here coming up on now. Attach different ones onto that. Pat, I think by using, yeah, there's a few different ones in here now. When I did experiments with the water extraction method, I tried it with sugar.

2:26:53SpeakerI tried it with salt. I tried it with everything you could think of, hot water, cold water. I tried it with boiling hot water. And it made the resin that was extracted in it into a lava lamp. It was really cool. And yeah, it also kind of ruined the hash. Here's a new one. I don't know, maybe not new, but old. A U.S. patent 10-717-717-B1. This patent describes the process of producing refined and decarboxylated cannabis extractions from freshly harvested Pre-Frozen Cannabis by Using Cold Ethanol Extractions Emphasized in Unappointments of Pre-Treatment Extraction.

2:27:35SpeakerYeah, so this is kind of cool to kind of look this up now and bring all these patents out of there and be able to dig into that now. This is a great episode, guys. I just want to thank you for helping me find more tools to help you guys. This is fun.

2:27:52BubblemanWelcome back, Dr. Allen. We lost you there for a bit. And welcome to Stephen. He just showed up as well.

2:28:03DrHey, hey, everybody.

2:28:03Etienne FontanWhat's going, dude? I'd like to introduce, this is Steven Philpott. He is a cannabis expert, former Marine, and a researcher working on...

2:28:22Etienne FontanHead Traumas, and he's a part of my science group and probably one of the newer brilliant minds working in cannabis. So I wanted to introduce him to y'all in the group. And since you had Dr. Allen on, I call him Dr. Phil Pott because his knowledge is on that level and he was working on that until he stepped into the real world. So introduce yourself, Stephen, to Hash Church.

2:28:54DrI'm not myself an expert, but I'm a Marine Corps veteran. When I came back from deployment, my leg was shattered in a bunch of pieces. Same story as you hear a bunch of veterans. They gave me 90 percocet and said, take them as you need them. And that stuff was screwing with my head. Like it wasn't good. And one of my buddies was like, hey man, hit this dab rig.

2:29:19DrI got a six foot bong. I got a gas mask. And I didn't take my opioids for like a week. And my only question was just, you know, how can a plant replace these pharmaceutical drugs? And that was a decade of a rabbit hole. Yeah, so I spent my time actually coaching in the NCAA

2:29:42DrCollecting data on human stress and performance and different things like that. What I realized is these athletes, they go through some of the same PTSD and stuff as Navy SEALs and Marines. And during COVID, when a bunch of states were legalizing, I got a dispensary job in Illinois, working for Pharmacan, which at the time, I didn't know what the hell a Pharmacan was. And after eight months of working for the largest privately owned cannabis company in the U.S., I was like, if these are the companies who are leading the way, we're going to be screwed because they don't know what they're doing.

2:30:17DrSo, yeah, I got my master's degree in trichome morphology and actually looking at the density of trichomes across the same plant, but at different locations. Oh, I have a question for you then. Yeah.

2:30:30SpeakerI've been looking at cannabis under the microscope since 1972. And a long time ago, I noticed that when we had cannabis that had red hairs on it, it seemed to have a different effect on us, had a more sedating effect. And when I started looking at the red hairs, the pistols, I guess, they had I've never seen anybody name these. So you have capitated stalks and hair trichomes and all of that, but no one has ever

2:31:29SpeakerName these a separate name and they're definitely different size as they're a different composition. Yeah, they're not, they're more like papillae on the lung. So they actually increase the surface area of the stigma. It's actually not the pistol, it's the stigma or the style. In cannabis, it's actually a fused stigma style as one unit, but it's part of the pistol. And what they do is they actually trap pollen grains.

2:32:00SpeakerSo it's like they're essentially, it increases the surface area of the stigmatic surface and allows the pollen grain kind of a little nook at which to kind of catch within. You can kind of think of it like a... Like a ball cat, like a baseball kind of thing. Do they contain different cannabinoids than the other trichromes that are obviously much larger? No, these aren't. I don't think these are.

2:32:25SpeakerRemember, trichomes are all, there's all sorts of trichomes on plants and they're not all, not all of them are glandular or produce oils. I can say that I've actually collected, you know, like a couple grams of just red hairs and I tried to get high from them and It didn't work. Yeah, these are more designed to help increase the surface area and catch the pollen grains. And there's a liquid that flows from the trichome and the stigmatic surface into the pollen grain that causes the pollen grain to hydrate and germinate like a seed does.

2:33:03SpeakerAnd when the pollen grain germinate, it sends a pollen tube down into the ovary within the pistil. So... And you get a seed.

2:33:14Etienne FontanSteven, what you got here? What are these picks? That's sexy.

2:33:19DrYeah, so it's funny. I don't know who was just describing it, but everything they said was pretty spot on. I'm actually glad Marcus is on here, too, because I follow some of your work. So what got me interested in doing tricone work is when I was at the dispensary, they would slap a label on a product, you know, as soon as it's harvested. And then that shit would sit on the shelf for up to a year.

2:33:40DrAnd in my mind, I was like, if you put an apple or any fresh fruit or vegetable on the shelf or any herb, after a year, it's going to have changes that happen. It won't even be the same fruit. So these pictures are exactly what you were talking about. Your original question was about the stigma. You'll see that at the top of these images kind of sticking out of a plant.

2:34:00DrJust so you know, this is one single individual bud, like one female reproductive section. A brat.

2:34:08SpeakerYep, one bract. One single calyx. One pistol. It's really the whole pistol of the style, the stigma, and the ovary and the bract is one pistol.

2:34:19DrYeah, so this is one. Kind of like your picture on Chimera's profile picture where that's a whole cluster, a whole inflorescence. This is one individual reproductive section, like where one seed would grow. Yeah, it's one flower.

2:34:33Ryan Dank AfYeah, so one flower.

2:34:35DrBut all those different types of flowers you're talking about,

2:34:39SpeakerThis is great news. Yeah.

2:34:42DrYeah. So this is just one individual flower, but you can see the different types of trichomes. This is all from the same plant. One is at the top of the plant. One is at the middle of the plant. One is at the bottom. The trichome densities are totally different. The types of trichomes are totally different. And even the metabolite profiles are statistically different.

2:35:02SpeakerExcuse me. You read the papers by Malberg and Kim?

2:35:11SpeakerBy who? Malberg, Dr. Malberg at Bloomington Indiana University and Dr. Kim, his graduate student. They wrote more papers on trichomes than just about anybody else.

2:35:27DrNo, I hadn't read that one. So I actually got this idea from a Canadian guy, Sam Livingston. So to answer whoever had the original question, Sam Livingston was the first person to look at the differences in trichomes on a physical level, but also on like a genetic level. So are they genetically different or are they the same? And he found out that the bulbous ones, the small ones on the surface, see if I can zoom in.

2:35:52DrThe ones that don't have a stalk are actually precursors to the ones that have stalks. And he knows that because they have a different transcriptome. So they're genetically coded to do different things. So they have different metabolites. They look different, but one is actually the precursor to the other one. So the little bulbs that start on the surface, as they grow and produce more cells, those cells essentially become like a platform to raise them off the surface.

2:36:19DrAnd that's when we get the stalk trichomes. So it was pretty interesting going through some of this and realizing like when we see the changes in the plant over the course of its life, you know, it's like an apple tree. If you looked at an apple tree, you wouldn't expect every apple across the tree to mature at the same time. So I just thought it was funny that You know, this inflorescence with tens of thousands of flowers is considered like one product.

2:36:43DrAnd that's why, like ETN said, I got the hell out of the recreational industry and did my research. But I'm back in human performance now working with athletes to try to get them into something other than just high THC products because they don't know any different. They follow what they're told.

2:37:00SpeakerAnd Ryan, can you post one of the Malberg and Kim papers? Because there's a whole series of them. And I think you'd find it very interesting.

2:37:12Etienne FontanStephen, can you talk about the research you're working on now? Or is that under wraps?

2:37:18DrNo, I mean, I could talk about it now. We're just building off of the NFL funding the cannabis and concussion research. The NFL gave a Canadian lab half a million dollars, which isn't a lot of money in research. And now they're looking at cannabinoids and their neuroprotective benefits that have been documented for what, ETN, 20 plus years now? But the NFL is getting on the same page with the PTSD, TBIs, any head injuries, they're now looking at the endocannabinoid system.

2:37:49DrBut the NFL is not moving forward with the research. They gave this lab $500,000 and then the NFL said, hey, you can't say we didn't give you any money to do it. So now my lab and a bunch of other labs are interested in Thank you so much for joining us.

2:38:24DrThank you so much for joining us.

2:38:53Etienne FontanCan you explain why it matters?

2:38:55DrYeah, so our lab isn't directly looking at anandamide, but what we are looking at is we actually have people, we put on VR, we record data on their brain and we have them do a task. We'll say something very simple like, hey, use your eyes to track this dot around a virtual room. They do it and then they go out and do their job, whether they're exposed to explosions, whether they're hitting their head, and then they come back and we have them do the same task they just did an hour ago.

2:39:23DrAnd we can detect how poorly they're doing at the task, but we can also see how their brain patterns are actually changing. What's interesting is if you combine that with other data that's coming out of other labs, there are benefits saying that, I think CBD is one of them. The CBD may have protective benefits prior to a concussion. I think that's a big deal if you're in one of these sports leagues.

2:39:45DrSo yeah, our lab is just interested in looking at the stress before and after an event. And then obviously some type of intervention to prevent that, you know, lack of, a loss of function is what we call it. And that's huge for veterans and sports.

2:40:03Etienne FontanAnd it's something that we're exposed to exponentially, especially in GWAT veterans, a lot of CTEs due to explosions. And Dr. Mishulin had his own research where he figured if what's called the golden hour, ladies and gentlemen, for those who don't know, when you're hit with a concussion or some sort of serious injury,

2:40:31Etienne FontanAs Dr. Mishulam stated, within that hour, you're able to stop that TBI almost intact. It basically stops the brain from swelling has been found to be the issue. So certain countries have developed an actual nasal spray. That is THC dominant that is actually currently being issued in Israel and the Czech Republic and to other militaries. And I am trying to get that name and that maker actually from our...

2:41:08Etienne FontanState Department currently so that we can understand because currently there's a nasal spray that's available to our international friendlies that we need to have in our medic packs currently, especially due to the concussive nature of the current realities of the conflicts that we're involved in. Excellent information.

2:41:31SpeakerYeah, I would really like to know the name of that product.

2:41:35BubblemanWell, you know what? It sounds like very much like what Dr. Brent's lab was working on at the University of Miami there with the exosomes and delivering that 45x payload to the brain. And it was literally four concussions. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:42:20SpeakerIt'd be like a heart patient carrying nitroglycerin pills. Well, for me, when I fell 20 feet in the concrete and suffered a severe concussion and, you know, broke my neck in four places. When I came to, I ate hash and I was eating hash. And even the doctor said it's probably what's seeing me for why I'm today because, I mean... I fractured my skull, broke my neck four places.

2:42:41SpeakerMy head was like this, right? So it was a cannabis, I believe, that saved my life 100%. I'm being a vegetable right now. I'm not thinking properly. As you talk about that, it's a big thing from when I fell in 2005 is me eating hash coming to, I'll never forget that my friends around me and my friend Richie was there and I ate his hash. I just ate it because I couldn't smoke it.

2:43:01SpeakerSo I was just eating the hash. And I mean, I'm here today and I'm a firm believer that is the reason why I don't have, well they said I had a concussion for two years.

2:43:13Etienne FontanSo, yeah, if it stops the brain swelling, right?

2:43:17SpeakerYou literally, it's really, yeah, I truly believe that's why I am who I am is because cannabis saved my life. I keep saying it every day, right? It's the biggest part of these things that have happened to me. It's, it's always these things that have been helping me, right? So, I mean, just resonating and talking about that is understanding that this is needed, that when someone suffers a severe head injury or any kind of severe trauma, they need cannabinoids into their system.

2:43:39SpeakerYeah, it should be on, It should be the emergency department and all ambulances. Like having airbags, right, in a car. There should be airbags related to this so the CNS is protected while that trauma is happening, right?

2:43:56DrJohn, I think exactly what you're saying is right. I think what's interesting is the fields of like cell biology are changing. Right, because now they're looking at this system. And what's interesting is while we're fighting one battle to try to get veterans and people with, you know, illnesses, there's people in cell biology who are like, hey, this system is 600 million years old, which means so that, see what I'm saying?

2:44:21DrNow the sciences are going back to where they used to be, where sciences used to work together to make one strong story. Before they became physicists, they're over here. Chemists are over here. Biologists are over here. That evolutionary story of, for some reason, 600 million years worth of living things have this system and a lot of oomph behind. It's not just helping these systems. Systems have evolved.

2:44:47DrTo use these molecules. So I think that that is helping kind of merge these conversations forward. There's obviously still stigma, but like you said about your head injury, like there's so many people with those stories that say the same thing. And even if they don't know how to explain it, they're like, it helped me.

2:45:03SpeakerThat's why I was screaming. Everything is what we do here, right? From farmer to freedom. And understand that there's so many different applications, so many different strains, different strains from different pains and how we're utilizing this in ways needed at that trauma level now. And we're not giving you those options. And that's why we're all here preaching this. And to my heart, to you guys and everybody out there, this is why we do this, because the information is there and they're hiding it from you.

2:45:31SpeakerAnd we're able to actually show you. And there's so many living cases of it around us. It's like... They hide it. They want to push you down or anything. You won't get this or that because it's what we're breaking down the walls. I say within the next few years, it's going to be the biggest industry AI in cannabis. Look out. That's it.

2:45:52Etienne FontanSo Stephen, with the work that you're doing, you've come through the academic world. If somebody were watching and they were just getting into science, were interested in what you were doing, what would you recommend they study in school if they went to secondary education?

2:46:11DrI think that's the best part. I think all the work that's been done since the 60s, whatever industry you're in right now, I meet people who can essentially not pave their own path, but Somebody who's into extraction specifically, I know people who've been doing extractions with other plants for 20 years. And when I told them where cannabis was, they were like, I didn't even know these were opportunities.

2:46:32DrI talked to people who work in pharmaceutical industry and I'm just like, hey, you know, there's other things that exist. I talked to biologists and they're like, I didn't realize I could research this plant. And I'm like, if you tell your university that it's a plant and you don't lead with I want to study marijuana. Tell them it's cannabis. Tell them you want to study hemp. Get your foot in wherever you can.

2:46:52DrAsk questions at your school until somebody says, no, we can't do that. In order for me to do my master's research, I got $10,000 from a company to do my work. My chemistry advisor took my money. And left me with no advisor. I had to go to another department. See what I'm saying? Like there is no linear path to what you want to build. But there is a path no matter what your experience is.

2:47:16DrBecause we're still building this. Like that's why I don't like the word expert or guru or any of those kind of words. I'm a student. That's what I am.

2:47:25SpeakerYeah. Or master grower.

2:47:27DrHey, Steven, can you tell us what school you're at and what's your program you're in? Yeah, so my master's work was at Chicago State University. I was also part of the first legal grow in the city of Chicago when we went recreationally legal. So part of the community college vocational program was that seven community colleges in the state of Illinois became licensed to grow, manufacture, distribute, and transport marijuana The day that we went recreationally illegal.

2:48:00DrI went to the meeting and said, you all should not do that because you'll lose your FAFSA, but you all can definitely use hemp as a proxy. So I spent a couple of years in Illinois helping set that up. I was co-authored on a paper with Cornell University. What ETN was saying, I started my master's work, my PhD work at NC State.

2:48:18SpeakerThat's where I've seen your name. Yeah, that's right. Okay, cool. And you were on that paper with Seth Crawford, were you?

2:48:27DrNo, I don't think, I don't think Seth called. This one was, um,

2:48:33DrZach was on it. Larry Smart was on it.

2:48:37SpeakerMaybe you can put the link to it in our chat or in the in the hashtag chat.

2:48:40DrYeah, absolutely. Yeah. So we were and the paper that we all collaborated on was just talking about how if we're using different words in research and industry, then the research papers can't be applied to an industry specific conversation. So if I'm going to a politician and I'm debating them on industry, And I cite some science. Well, guess what? If the science says bracts and the industry says calyx, a good politician or lawyer can be like, well, no, your argument is void because the science doesn't exactly line up.

2:49:14SpeakerThis is why I keep harping on the word strain, right? I mean, Johnny just said different strains for different pains. But the truth is, it's like these are all just plants from within a population and they have traits that vary along a continuum. Right. And so I think that that's like a really interesting way to look at cannabis to consider that all traits exist on a continuum, be it flower size, internode length, trichome gland size, or, you know, the materials that they're made of these, these, all these traits are just existing on a continuum that we can select for through breeding.

2:49:49SpeakerRight. And so we can change these traits and, and, and modify them over generations just through selection.

2:49:57DrAll right. So interesting seeing THC being bred to be so high right now. And I know everybody, you know, they're like, oh, minor cannabinoids or whatever word we want to use for any cannabinoid that's not THC. Just knowing that, I mean, there's 10 to 12,000 years of a traceable relationship between humans and cultivating this plant. You're talking about near the last ice age humans. That's how long humans have had this involvement with this plant.

2:50:26DrSo knowing this high THC kind of breeding that's going on now, What I find anecdotally, the veterans that I talk to, they prefer something that's 15 to 20% that smells familiar. Something that's so potent, they go, that smells like apple pie. That smells like dog shit. That smell, whatever it smells like, they prefer 15 to 20 with this very potent smell. And when you learn about the human body, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:51:10DrDo you have some? Let me get some from a guy and it's good. Like the entourage effect.

2:51:27SpeakerWell, listen, I was just saying this the other day. We didn't have THC testing until 2007, right? And Terps came even after that. But, you know, everything up until that point in time, I mean, how we judged weed was like you stuck your nose in a bag and that's how you knew if it was good or not. Well, actually, I had THC and other cannabinoid testing facility in the very early 1990s.

2:51:56SpeakerYeah, well, we're not, I know. Maybe you're Sam. Yeah, you're Sam. We're talking about the rest of us.

2:52:02BubblemanWe're talking about checkers, Mr. Chess.

2:52:06DrAnd look, here's the other thing. When I went, the reason I was like, I want to have respect when I speak publicly on this because there are people that have done work for so long. So I'm like, what machines do they use to actually test these chemicals? Then you find out not everybody's using the right machines. Then you find out some people are using different solvents and you're like some papers that people were using to kind of discredit credible people.

2:52:32DrYou look at the machines they were using, you're like, yo, these methods aren't even credible. Like strong, strong science should have come out and swatted a lot of those old papers, you know, from NIDA and stuff like that. But they didn't because they were well funded. So now we can go back and say, hey, if you're measuring, you know, terpenes with the wrong type of machine, you're going to burn them off.

2:52:54DrAnd the number you get on the back end isn't even valid. So what are you saying? Yeah.

2:52:57SpeakerWell, even all the, that's why all the numbers from all the old, I mean, when Arno started doing his work around the, AJ and I both did a course with Bedrock and And Arno Hasekamp, who was the researcher that was kind of leading the work there. And he did all this work where they were trying to purify standards. And they showed that the standards that are supposed to be 99.9% THC were themselves not actually 99% THC.

2:53:24SpeakerSo like the molecules with which they were calibrating the machines weren't pure, right? Or they weren't at the same purity that they were supposed to be. So all the research that was done Really pre, call it 2005, you can't take those numbers as absolute, right? You have to consider that it's a range, it's a hint at a story, but what the research showed is definitely not the word of God, right?

2:53:55SpeakerLike government numbers. The first thing we did was we tested all of our standards and And we double checked with Dr. Bernheisen and Dr. Mishulam and Dr. El Soleil. And we found out really quickly that, like you mentioned, you know, pure THC sold by Sigma and the United Nations anti-drug effort, they were listed as 99 point whatever, and they were actually 85. Yeah.

2:54:33Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, you guys did the... Essentially a ring test, right, on the standards.

2:54:38SpeakerAbsolutely.

2:54:41Ryan Dank AfYeah, most people didn't even realize. They just took the number on the label and they decided that was correct. Come here and tell them what a ring test is for the layman. A ring test is where you take a standardized sample and you run it through multiple labs. And... What inevitably happens is that the labs most often come back with different results for the same sample. And so what you're doing is you're using a single sample to kind of challenge all the different labs to determine how accurate or it really tests interlaboratory reliability is what you're doing.

2:55:20SpeakerI just pulled out one of these standards that I have in my fridge and it fell out of the fridge and broke on the ground actually. So I've got a lot of terpenes on my ground right now. This has been sitting in the public for like 15 years.

2:55:33Ryan Dank AfWhat standard is that one that you're, what does your house smell like, Johnny?

2:55:37SpeakerOh, it smells fucking divine. I've never smelled it before. It's fucking, oh well. So, uh, yeah. And it's sent to my house in like 2012. I also have the TTC standards and the Delta 9s and stuff like that. That was what we were running on the GC in the garage. And Steven, are you on LinkedIn?

2:56:06DrAbsolutely. Yeah, that's why I share most of my stuff on LinkedIn. Yeah, I've seen it a bunch of times. Here, I want to share one other thing with you all, especially because we got Boba Man on here. So something I was interested in was the quality of the trichomes in the current product that I was consuming. So traditionally, when people look at trichomes under any plant that you look at under a microscope, you usually use ethanol or one of the aldehydes, formaldehydes, so that you can actually take the living organizm, the plant, and freeze it in time.

2:56:44DrThe issue is, guess what happens if you soak a plant in formaldehyde or if you soak it in ethanol? You essentially just did an extraction, so you disturbed what you wanted to see in its natural shape. My research, what I decided to do was instead of soaking it in ethanol, I compared that to what happens if you take a fresh plant and drop it straight in liquid nitrogen, and then you look at the trichomes.

2:57:08DrSo I compared the same plant, the same Location on the plant and I'll share these images with you all. So this top image is what happens if you soak trichomes in ethanol, formaldehyde, any of the traditional things you use to look at trichomes. This picture right here was my picture in liquid nitrogen. So what you can do is you can essentially see like this is the closest you're going to see to a living plant, trichomes.

2:57:42DrBut the truth is most of the time when we're consuming the plant, it's been dried or cured or soaked and the trichomes look like this by the time you actually go to consume it. So what people don't realize is nature is making this picture. Right? This picture on the bottom that's nice and organized, looks like a Dr. Seuss kind of acid trip. This picture up here is what happens when humans are processing and curing and touching, doing different things to the plant.

2:58:10DrSo that was, I mean, one of the aims of my research, but it was one of the most impactful because You got to be able to conceptualize that with your mind whenever you're assessing any product that's given to you. How long has it been dried? How dry is it? Was it dried and cured or just dried? Was it fresh bubble hash? It's a perishable commodity. Right.

2:58:32BubblemanYeah. Was there a cold chain?

2:58:34SpeakerYou know, was there a cold chain? Dr. Dr. Malberg and Kim actually took miniature little like needle syringes. And took out the living material while the plant was alive and tested each different, you know, after two weeks, after four weeks, after eight weeks.

2:59:00SpeakerIn 2008, I went to the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam with High Times and I took this handheld microscope That I found online and I became a distributor for these microscopes and I called it the Black Betty. And you could you could look at the trichromes and you could look at the underside leaf for spider mites and, you know, and look at their feces on. So you could look for it in eggs.

2:59:38SpeakerSo you could do a survey for for spider mite eggs and find out how how your indoor grow was doing.

2:59:50SpeakerAnd was that a video camera? Could you hook it up to a screen? Yeah, you hooked it up to your computer by USB, and you could take video and photographs. And actually, if you look on YouTube, look up spider mite urinates. And it's under... It's under... MS Bluesman, I think. And so you can see it shows the spider mite crawling across the bottom of a cannabis leaf.

3:00:28SpeakerAnd they have a cloaca, actually. And he deposits this clear looking fluid behind them.

3:00:37BubblemanSo it's kind of utter and complete disrespect. Not only is he going to fuck up your whole crop, but

3:00:44SpeakerBut he's also just pissing and shitting on it. Oh, that's fucking awesome.

3:00:51BubblemanWelcome, Brian. And Wade, laughter. I see he's off camera, so he might not be here right now, but I wanted to welcome those guys that didn't say hello yet.

3:01:01Bryan Best Friend FarmsHello. Nice to see you.

3:01:04Etienne FontanYeah, dude. Nice to be seen. So, Steven, the shots, you dip the plants in liquid nitrogen and put them under an electron microscope. How was that done?

3:01:14DrYeah, so you take a bud from the exact same place. You take one and soak it in ethanol for 30 minutes. Then you soak it in methanol for 30 minutes and then you soak it in ethanol. So it's an hour and a half. That's a genius epiphany that you did that.

3:01:29SpeakerIt's genius and an epiphany that you did that.

3:01:33DrSo to be honest, what I was interested in was how do we look at normal plants and treat cannabis the same way that we treat every other plant? And when I found out that we couldn't, Because when you look at those plants, you essentially are, you suck the life out of them when you soak them in methanol and ethanol. So I was like, I want to cut the plant down and look at it within 60 seconds.

3:01:53DrLike I want it to be alive. I dropped it. You just said it.

3:01:57BubblemanGo ahead. Sorry. Keep going. I'll get back to it. Well, just that that's what alcohol does when you consume it. It does an extraction on your soul and it sucks the life out of you.

3:02:08DrSo that literally, I mean, those images show like when you leave the plants in that alcohol the same amount of time, like it's distorted. It is not how it was. It's not how nature made it is the most objective way I can say. So my goal was to see what nature does with trichomes. So I cut the plants. I put them in liquid nitrogen into a bowl.

3:02:29DrI essentially let them the temperature drop as low as it can go. Put them in a brass stub and put them in an electron microscope. What the microscope does exactly, imagine this can is like a beam. It electrocutes this can on both sides and shoots like a cosmic ray straight into the sample that I'm looking at. And it doesn't use lights. It's called an electron microscope because that image that I showed you is not made from lights.

3:02:56DrIt's made from electrons. So it's essentially the closest atomic picture you can get to what nature would make. So if you look at that versus that extraction, we're not consuming what nature has made. We're consuming something that humans have gone through and manipulated.

3:03:12BubblemanWell, ones that don't understand the cold chain, right? I knew you were going to say liquid nitrogen before you said it, because that's the thing. That's the only thing that you could do to flash freeze that and maintain its integrity. And not only maintain its integrity, instead of leaving... I mean, it's still guaranteed. It still leaves some type of a footprint. I not maybe one that we can perceive just yet, but it certainly preserves the aromatic volatiles as well as the integrity of the structure of all these trichomes.

3:03:47BubblemanIt's awesome, dude. Awesome work.

3:03:49DrI think one of the coolest things about it is when you use those ethanol and methanol like chemicals, you can actually keep the leaf forever. It never changes anymore. People think that's a good thing. When I'm looking at it under the microscope, the beam that I'm hitting it with is actually thawing it out as I'm looking at it. So I can actually see it as it starts degrading.

3:04:11DrAnd I'm like, oh, I just broke the surface of the trichome. Now the trichome head is split. So you can see all that on an atomic level. You can essentially see the degradation process. And I'm like, I don't think we understand like that beautiful plant, you know, versus these end products. I'm like, how much, how much are we processing this and how much are we blaming the plant for like stuff that we don't understand when products have too much CBN in them or there's all these different, you know, compounds that people don't understand.

3:04:38DrSo I think the fresh plant itself, the work that you're doing, like that message still has to reign supreme as we kind of put our own fingerprints on it.

3:04:49BubblemanAbsolutely. And a cold supply chain is super important from start to finish. You know, it's what's the purpose in the processing lab if you're doing and that's the thing, you know, you're right. Like a lot of stuff is like over processed and over. I created a hashtag years ago called hashtag never touched. It was like my that's that's what I want my hash I want hashtag never touched you know don't be touching the plants and I learned that as a macro photographer the the nightmarish hell that is touching or bumping into plants the releasing and shedding of materials from clothing like whether it's synthetic fibers or cotton fibers or whatever it is when you see it under a microscope it's like Oh my God, it's like a murder scene.

3:05:33BubblemanIt's just, it's hard to explain until you spend time in those little areas. But it just, it, I'll tell you one thing, contamination sticks out like a sore thumb. When you get into those super, super close environments that I don't know, it's like you're, you're breaching a wall of perception that you weren't built to perceive. You know, you need some type of prosthetic.

3:05:58Ryan Dank AfYeah, even just a light microscope. I mean, when I was working down at Napro, we did intake for, we did, we used to go and do intake days at the dispensaries and you'd have like a hundred growers would show up and they'd roll into the back room and I'd have the light microscope set up and, you know, they'd be going on about organic living soil and this and that and the other thing.

3:06:16Ryan Dank AfAnd I'd put their butt underneath the microscope and I'd say, do you have a black dog? Right?

3:06:25Ryan Dank AfOh, that's the worst. You know, you can see it, but we had this thing we called, Mark used to call MPMH, which was essentially minimally processed, minimally handled, which is what you're talking about, Mark. It's the never touched. Yeah, but it's, yeah, it's a philosophy. And I really, you know, someone asked me the other day, I prefer fresh cannabis to cured cannabis. Right, like I just do, like I find it has more flavor.

3:06:50Ryan Dank AfSure, there's certain varieties that are like, you know, these 7% high terpenylene varieties that you might want to mellow them a little bit out with curing. But typically, I prefer fresh. I think fresh is best.

3:07:05SpeakerI prefer cured.

3:07:08Etienne FontanIt's rather surprising that the industries currently don't understand the cold chain of custody, which is a real reality, especially in processed cannabis, which is really bizarre because, i.e., It comes from the ABC, the Alcohol Bureau. Basically, we're the ones who regulate it here in California. And they have a cold chain of custody for their beer all the way through to when you buy it at the store.

3:07:41BubblemanThat's a high profit item. They have this for fucking spinach and lettuce, bro, that they make pennies on.

3:07:48Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

3:08:10BubblemanYou know, the OCS or the AGLC, the provincial distributors in the different provinces, they weren't required to have a cold chain. So at that point in time, we'd have to get our the stores that wanted to buy this stuff. Look, the delivery just happened today. Now, if they decided to it, it was a weekend. It could sit in the in the warehouse at 30 degrees Celsius over the course of the weekend or long weekend, which happened to me with some of my hash.

3:08:37BubblemanThe picture of my hash Looked in the, on the OCS, it literally looked like this, which here I'll actually change the speaker area so we can. So it looked like white powder, just like that. Pure heads. And by the time people got it, it was just like a traditional, very fully oxidized. And I told like my buddy, not my buddy, but the guy who hit me up for his money back, one of the first people was like, yeah, you know, it just didn't look like the picture.

3:09:07BubblemanAnd I said, well, Did it have good flavor? Oh yeah, it was incredible. And did it get you stoned? Oh my God, it was super strong. I'm like, okay. And you dabbed it good and it didn't leave a lot of Chaz behind. He's like, no, no, no, it was great. I said, okay. So it's just, he's like, yeah, man, I mean, I bought one thing and got the other.

3:09:22BubblemanAnd I said, all right, well, I'll give you your money back. But it is incredible that you just told me that nothing else changed other than the fact that it looked different. Okay.

3:09:33Ryan Dank AfYeah, I did. We made a bunch of fresh fro, you know, lyophilized resin, like, you know, water hash that we freeze dried. And I had to, it was fine if you kept it in the freezer, but I had to move the stash across. When I moved back east, I had to move it back east and it all self-pressed. Just, just right under its own weight. When it's that quality, it just...

3:09:57BubblemanYou need to get you a baller fridge, also known as a makeup fridge on Amazon. Two layers of nice 32 degree Fahrenheit temperature for my hashish. Do they have a big one? They have bigger ones and they have smaller ones. Absolutely. If you want to roll with some kgs, they got your back for sure. You can get upright ones that look like fridges. They have all sorts of them.

3:10:18BubblemanBut It's a great idea. I like it. You plug it in wherever you get to where you're going. So you're not like just going through batteries like crazy. I think the battery is like a three hour battery, which is fine. I have it plugged in in my vehicle. I have it plugged in wherever I get to. So it's really the short stints of from A to B that I need the battery to work.

3:10:39BubblemanAnd it hasn't let me down yet. Yeah, it's cool.

3:10:43Etienne FontanThe old makeup fridge. But this is what you need to have to have fresh product, right?

3:10:50BubblemanWell, every time I walk into a dispensary and it smells like cannabis, I say to them, I say, wow, it smells great in here. And they're like, yeah, it does. I said, that would be nice if it was on the plant matter that people were purchasing instead of in the air. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, right.

3:11:06Etienne FontanYeah, they don't realize it's evaporated and that's what they're smelling.

3:11:10BubblemanThe best cannabis dispensary has a zero cannabis smell. It's like unless you had a room. I mean, ideally for me, I always think it would be great to be able to smell product and look at product. I think that's a huge part of cannabis. I always loved it about Amsterdam. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:11:49DrWorking in health and wellness, I look at the nutrition and supplement section and like GNC and vitamin shop and how loosely that is and how dangerous some of that stuff is. And then I look at our fruits and vegetables in the grocery store and the fact that any of us can just walk up to them exposed and then you get in a dispensary and it's just like, how dare you ask to look at this plant?

3:12:15DrYou know, like, how dare you want to smell that? You want to smell this product? You know what I mean? I can go on Vitamin Shop and make your heart explode right now, pretty much unregulated.

3:12:26BubblemanSo that's, I'm just like... Dude, you could go buy a 55-gallon barrel of Jack Daniels at the liquor store right now. That's the truth of the matter. Enough to kill all of us here in chat.

3:12:36DrNo questions asked.

3:12:37Ryan Dank AfYou go ahead and have a great day. It's two sides of the same coin. I mean, Arno, again, that was another study that Arno did. They went to all these dispensaries, not dispensaries, coffee shops all over Holland and sent flowers they acquired there to the lab and There was all sorts of nasty stuff on the flower, including E. coli. Oh, yeah. People sticking their nose in the jars.

3:12:59Ryan Dank AfYou should be able to smell the jar. You should be able to smell a sample of the jar. But you don't need to stick your, like, you know, your influenza nose in the entire supply for the next day. It's definitely true.

3:13:11BubblemanNo, like I said, there's...

3:13:13DrThey have one perfume bottle that's open and the rest are all closed.

3:13:16BubblemanJust give me one bottle. Honestly, some of the over-regulation of cannabis, some of it, I wouldn't mind seeing applied to our air, water, and food. I really wouldn't.

3:13:28Ryan Dank AfWell, in that sense, cannabis is leading the charge. You know, what other crop do we do? We know that that level of breakdown of what's on the on the product, right? Right.

3:13:39BubblemanWell, I hope it could inspire us to release the unnecessary regulations that are bogging it down, but also to have the parts that are necessary be contagious to water and air and food. You know, probably the three most important vectors for disease and, you know, the the The perishability of a human being.

3:14:02SpeakerWhat you're saying is the plant is teaching the human. Absolutely.

3:14:11Etienne FontanYeah, in a way. Well, and now we know how to listen, right?

3:14:15Ryan Dank AfListen, I picked up some cilantro the other day, yesterday, and it was like in perfect shape and it had been flown in from Mexico, right? Like, why can't we have- First class. I don't know if it was first class, but it was definitely under cold chain, right? And yeah, it's weird. It's like there's so much still that we haven't developed within this industry. And like you're saying, these other industries could also develop from what we're learning in cannabis and the regulations that were, not the regulations, but what those testing is teaching us about the products, right?

3:14:54Ryan Dank AfYeah.

3:14:55SpeakerWell, the cannabis plant has changed medicine because there were several things that I was taught in medicine that the plant has refudiated. We were taught that nerve conduction only goes from the brain out to the periphery. And except for the sensory nerves, does not go backwards. And the plant has The science of the cannabis plant has proven that there's retrograde transmission or inhibition of synaptic impulses. So, so, The science of THC has told us that there's messages going backwards to the brain that we didn't know before.

3:15:46SpeakerWe always thought it was anti-grade conduction of nervous impulses, but there's retrograde conduction of nerve impulses. Uh, of nervous impulses. So for instance, when, when you have a seizure and your brain is telling your arm or leg to jump up and down and the cannabis has a way to quiet those sensations that, so wait a minute, we're getting too much information here. We can inhibit this transmission and quiet the seizure activity.

3:16:32DrI think that's the coolest part about this. Somebody was like, why did I go from learning about the human body to researching the plant back to the human body? And I said, all the top researchers essentially did that exact thing. Because for some reason, the plants make a similar molecule to what our body makes. And that just so happens that that class of molecules, 35% of all the FDA approved drugs work the same way.

3:17:01DrSo a lot of times when people are like, oh, we don't understand THC and CB1 receptors. I'm like, CB1 and CB2 receptors are the same class of receptors that 35% of our drugs target.

3:17:13SpeakerSo what you said is really super important because

3:17:20SpeakerCannabis is going to replace a large amount of the pharmaceutical drugs that they currently use. And it's going to do it with such with much better mortality morbidity. That's, that's the drug companies can't produce drugs that don't produce mortality morbidity. And cannabis is going to replace these drugs, which will replace their earnings.

3:17:50BubblemanWhich I guess is what they've been fighting for the last, this is literally like.

3:17:55Etienne FontanWell, they haven't had to fight it. They've had the laws casually on their side. Now they're actively lobbying. Those are their tools. Yeah, because we are now have demonstrated in their studies, Dr. Philpott and others will also agree that show that there are, and they're coming out monthly that show that where cannabis is legalized medicinally or recreationally, pharma goes down, pharma use goes down across the board and alcohol use also goes down across the board.

3:18:26Etienne FontanAnd not by significant numbers. We're talking 30%. And a third is a huge number that they have never had to lobby for in the past. It is a gifted to them. Now they have to fight.

3:18:39SpeakerFor 2030, it's like they say, it's $100 billion industry, the cannabis industry. So it's about ready to kind of flip. We already know that what's happening in the world and what the information that's coming forward. It's a fuel, it's a fiber, it's a medicine, it's everything, right? It's a fuel, it's a food, it's a fiber, and it's a medicine. It makes cars. Look at the use of cannabis and hemp and everything.

3:19:03SpeakerThe plant is going to change the world 100% and it's happening now. I always said it was a 100 year lie with the pharmaceutical industry and stuff like that, with the opioid system. Everybody hooked on pharma, where we put everybody through all of the fentanyl patches and everything, and then we're starting to realize this isn't needed. That was just a big money grab. It's a metabolic essential and nutraceutical.

3:19:26Speaker100%. I always say it's holistic health, natural healing, and cannabinoid therapy. Cannabinoid therapy is what we need. It's not all the other pharmaceutical drugs we've been pumping down our throats. And what they did, they didn't legalize cannabis in Canada. They taxed THC. That's what happened here. Right? So we have to understand that it's the high THC is what we're looking for. We're looking for those profiles, those terpene profiles.

3:19:48SpeakerI just broke cannabinoid terpene on the ground there and I was like, you know what? I can tell you, I can't wait to show this. That's it. That vibrations and stuff, I can tell how this, that's why I'm doing this. This is what helps me.

3:20:03BubblemanJust blowing out your olfactory with the pure terps, eh? I'm more of a wafter, a little bit of a kind of like...

3:20:12SpeakerI remember.

3:20:13BubblemanDude, you're a different breed. I respect our differences. The things that you do are not things that I can do.

3:20:22DrYou know what's interesting about, you saying the olfactory nerves, you realize the reason our smell is so strong is because every smell has one neuron, essentially. So think about everything you've ever smelled in your life. Olfactory, yeah. Your olfactory nerves are the only ones that can work in both directions like Dr. Allen just said at the same time. So this is why I said humans have superpowers, we just don't quite understand how to explain them.

3:20:51DrI had a patient. I could be blind and there could be a rose outside of my house. And if it's just warm enough and the rose is releasing just enough volatile compounds, I could be blind, but in my nose, I've triggered this whole pathway in my brain to go, you just got the chemicals of a rose in your nose. That's pretty crazy. And we kind of downplay that, but other animals use that to survive better than their eyes and ears.

3:21:19SpeakerI had a patient that told me that he just smelled marijuana and it It fixed his back pain, just smelling it. He didn't have to smoke it. All he had to do was smell it and it would cure his back pain. That's what happened with me in the hospital when Mark came with the 15 terpenes when I'm sitting here like this.

3:21:40DrAnd the thing is, as a scientist, right, I go, oh, that's just anecdotal. But then objectively, you go, you know what they do in Japan? They actually tell people to go to the pine forest where there's high concentrations of alpha-pinene in the air. And they have this deep breathing technique. And alpha-pinene helps with vasodilation and other different things. And they found out that... Yeah, these people that have depression, they go hiking, A, exercise, but B, they go and do these baths in these pine trees.

3:22:10DrSo it's like somebody might say, oh, smelling something is anecdotal. But then that's objective. These doctors in Japan are saying, go to the mountains and do this deep breathing because we know it's beneficial.

3:22:22SpeakerI did a lot of research on this because, of course, it took away my pain so dramatically with the purple punch. And what I'm doing here right now is I'm getting certain things. It's like a 3D overrider. It rides the brain so nothing else gets through. It gives you a vision and nothing gets through that, right? And that's why it's so important to standardize cannabis by looking at, I would say, water activity, terpene profile, To give patients that true effect.

3:22:45SpeakerThat's all it means. I'll be screaming this, you know, Dr. Allen, we've been talking about this for the last decade and I was going through all the old chats and stuff like that. I appreciate you. Yes. We're still in the infancy of this science. We're still scratching the surface and we get to do this together as we get to move forward. And it's just this one thing that happened today as we're talking about this and that happened, the universe gave me this again.

3:23:05SpeakerIt's like,

3:23:09SpeakerBeautiful. And when we start looking at how cannabis and holistic health, natural healing, ice bath, daily morning walks, incantations, looking at how we can heal ourselves, it's not pharma. Just saying. Maybe it's a little bit.

3:23:27BubblemanWhat's that, Dr. Allen?

3:23:28SpeakerSend us all a link to this recording.

3:23:32BubblemanOh, yeah, absolutely. This will go on my YouTube channel. There's 335 people watching this recording right now.

3:23:39Speaker335 people just sharing it. Wow.

3:23:43BubblemanYeah, they're out in the world of Bubble Man's world. And yeah, they're just... They're enjoying the conversation. People have been absolutely enjoying the conversation. It's always nice to go deep and get into the science of some of these conversations.

3:23:59SpeakerWe started talking about all those old patents and stuff like that. And I created that little GTP. And I've been kind of digging into that. Wow. I can't believe just the amount of stuff that I had no idea. It's so hard. That's...

3:24:11BubblemanThat's what this show is going to be all about, Johnny B, that Dr. Allen and I are going to be doing. We'll have to get a contact for you, Stephen, as well, and get back to you and see if you want to be a part of the Cannabis Journal Club. We'll start creating, if you have people that you think would be brilliant for such a thing, hook me up with them, bcbubbleman at icloud.com.

3:24:33BubblemanAnd hopefully we're going to film our first episode here with Dr. Allen and myself. In the very, very near future, I want to release it in early new year and do one a week consistently. We'll probably be able to use Hash Church as a way to expand on the Cannabis Journal conversations that we have when we want to go deep for hours. Because these topics, you certainly can go deep on them for a long period of time.

3:25:02BubblemanThat being said, You know, my own instincts were a little against it when he first said, let's keep it short and concise. And then I thought, no, listen to the, to the good doctor. Like he has an understanding of this. If you make it too long, you know, people will get lost in it. And there's always going to be the hard cores on hash church, three, 400 people, 500 people that want to watch and go deep.

3:25:23BubblemanBut if you want to hit the sort of masses with this information, which is exactly what we want to do, you have to make it very clear and fairly short. Easy to understand. Short. Yeah. Hey, I want to say hi to Wade. We haven't heard from Wade yet today. How are you doing, Wade? It's always nice to see you show up on Sunday.

3:25:52BubblemanHe's just turning his headphones off. There he is. Hey, y'all hear me okay? All right, Marcus. God bless you guys. Oh, you should stick around for two minutes. Wade always has golden knowledge. And you should meet Wade. Dr. Allen, Wade Laughter, Wade Laughter, Dr. Allen.

3:26:10SpeakerHello, Dr. Allen. I've been enjoying the conversation. Good morning, yeah. And feeling very distracted.

3:26:22SpeakerThe uh for me personally uh in my family and in our circle of animals uh the probability of oncoming death or death that has happened uh is very present for me uh for example my uh My brother, whom I love very much, his stepson died on Christmas of an apparent drug overdose. And I'm really heartbroken for my brother and his family, because now every Christmas going forward will be colored by this event.

3:27:06SpeakerIn the meantime, in our circle of animals,

3:27:13SpeakerThere's Lucas. We used to have three large dogs at the beginning of this year, whom we love very much. We now have one dog left, and he's been going through some seizures and challenges today. That's why I've been popping in and out of our conversation this morning.

3:27:37SpeakerSo I'm just putting it out there. I know that certainly in the veterans circle, as well as persons who are dealing with health issues, this time of year seems to bring forth person's desire to leave this plane and go to another place. And I just think it's worth taking the time to recognize the gift that life is And how every person, every animal, every creature at some point will come to the end of their life.

3:28:11SpeakerAnd what that is like for that person or that being is a lot what Hash Church is about for me. I feel like what we are doing, what Dr. Allen is pointing towards, what Dr. Philpott is pointing towards is recognizing the part this plant can play in caring for the well-being of humans and the animals that we interact with. And so I guess that's all I have at the moment.

3:28:39SpeakerI'm just gonna go back to listening. I'm really loving the willingness to share expertise and insight that a lot of us have a feeling for, but can't really describe or know what it is we're feeling. I love that idea of a person Literally feeling their pain receding at the smell of cannabis. There's a thing there that's very real. So thank you, every one of you, for contributing to the conversation today.

3:29:13SpeakerAnd yeah, I'm going to go back to listening and enjoying the life that's being offered here today. Thank you.

3:29:24DrYes, doing God's work. Appreciate you as always, Lee.

3:29:31SpeakerIt's really nice to see you again. And yeah, please do drop in on us occasionally with the Veterans Action Council. Appreciate your input and your thoughts. Definitely support the veterans. Yeah. So do you guys know what God says about cannabis? I hope he likes it. I learned this in prison. I read the Bible. I read the Bible nine times skin to skin. In the first page of the Bible, in Genesis 1.29, it says, And God said, I've created every green plant bearing seeds for you, and it shall be for meat.

3:30:17SpeakerAnd Romans 14.2 says, Some may eat all things, others who are weak eat herbs. And Romans 14.3 says, Let those that eat herbs, Not despise those that don't. And let those that don't eat herbs not judge those that do. I learned that in prison. Damn.

3:30:44BubblemanJust reading the Bible, eh?

3:30:46SpeakerYeah. Fuck.

3:30:48BubblemanHell yeah.

3:30:48DrSome decent stuff in there.

3:30:51BubblemanYep, there definitely is. That's amazing. What was that last one? Those that eat herbs should not despise those that do. That's a killer one.

3:30:59SpeakerThose that eat herbs should not despise those that don't. And those that don't eat herbs should not judge those that do.

3:31:09BubblemanAnd what is the title of that?

3:31:12SpeakerIt's Romans 14.2 and 14.3.

3:31:16SpeakerAnd you have to look at in the King James version because the NIV version changes the word herbs to vegetables. And so they changed the, it's not, it doesn't make sense if you put the word vegetables in it, but it does make sense if you put the word herbs in it.

3:31:42BubblemanThat's incredible when you think 14-4, Romans 14-4. 14-2 and 14-3. I just opened up the Bible totally. And Genesis 129. Yes, I got the Genesis one. I knew that one. That was like a Jack Harer. Yeah, we said that on shirts. Yes, exactly.

3:32:01SpeakerI just want to say one thing. I just opened up the Bible to that exact page. Awesome. I just opened it up. I just went like that. And I'm just like, that kind of was kind of, yeah, well, Roman 14 too. Thank you.

3:32:15Bubbleman14.2 and 14.3.

3:32:16SpeakerI guess I'm supposed to read this because I just picked it up and I opened it up to the Bible, right? So, I mean, I just opened up to the exact page as you said.

3:32:22BubblemanAnd thanks to Dr. Allen, you did not have to go to prison to learn that.

3:32:26SpeakerNo, I got to learn that right here, right now. So, I appreciate that.

3:32:30BubblemanDude, prison. Oh, shit. Well, that's a nice gift from dad. So, were you in prison down south? And yeah, about 45 minutes north of where I live now. Shit.

3:32:44SpeakerAnd yeah. In Losedale, Mississippi.

3:32:48Etienne FontanDo you ever just drive by and shoot at the finger?

3:32:58SpeakerI'm afraid they would get me if I did.

3:33:00BubblemanNo shit, dude. That is for real. It is Mississippi. No matter how few of days, exactly, dude. No matter how few days you spent there. Listen, my buddy Pedro did time in, where was it? I think it was in Deer Creek, Indiana. And it was like the go three, go free for three thing where he got caught by someone, I guess, that got caught and then had to go catch three people.

3:33:22BubblemanAnd then he got offered the same thing, but just didn't. He went to jail there. He went back home to Oregon and while he was back home, they called him back and said, oh, hey, we made a mistake. We need you to come back. He also found out that the judge and the prosecutor owned the private prison. That they send everyone to. So the prosecutor asks for maximum time and the judge just delivers it every time.

3:33:46BubblemanAnd these fucking guys are getting rich off sending people to prison. And my buddy got caught up in it at a fish show. I'm sure they did it for many decades prior on the Grateful Dead tour. Deer Creek, Indiana. I freaked at the creek for all those deadheads out there.

3:34:05Ryan Dank AfActually, there used to be a prison company called Wackenhut. Yeah. They, I can't remember what the name is there now. They're a public company and they've rolled into some other public ticker company, but they actually own all three parts of all three aspects of the industrial prison complex, which is the prison system itself. And then they do the policing in, in what are they called? These gated communities.

3:34:31Ryan Dank AfSo they have a service that essentially does the policing in the gated communities and And just like you said, Marcus, they're involved on more aspects. So they're involved in essentially in trapping people. And then they profit off of imprisoning them as well.

3:34:44BubblemanBig profits too. It's not small. They get these guys to do labor for like 20 cents an hour or 50 cents an hour. And they pimp out. If you do the math, it's like 100 million or 200 million hours a day of labor that the US pushes into the labor world. And they pay them nothing. It's basically slave labor. And it's the reason why tons of these products are somewhat affordable to be able to make.

3:35:11Etienne FontanVictoria's Secret, Old Navy, Fruit of the Loop. The list is long, man. It's very long and getting longer.

3:35:18BubblemanIt's free labor. Think of being able to charge for 200 million hours at $10 an hour instead of $20. That is an insane amount of money.

3:35:29Ryan Dank AfI went to an equipment auction, a tissue culture auction. There was a company on Vancouver Island called Cellfor, and they were dissolving the company. And they had like, you know, well over $100 million was put into this company and they were liquidating all these tissue culture assets. So I went down and I bought a bunch of stuff from them. And as when we were decommissioning the facility, I was learning about their business plan.

3:35:54Ryan Dank AfAnd they were doing the tissue culture, a process called somatic embryogenesis, where they take callus cells and they coax them into little embryos. And they plate them out on these like clamshell cases and they'd ship them down by the box to prisons in the States. And they were paying inmates to go through and pull out what they called the PGs or the plantable germinates, right? That they would take out and put into little cubes and put them into, they would become, they would become...

3:36:27Ryan Dank AfSeedlings for pine tree planting down in the States. But yeah, you'd be surprised at how many different industries tap into that. I mean, forced labor pool. Yeah. For lack of a better word. But yeah, there's all sorts of businesses that couldn't work any other way. So they, you know, they trap the so-called undesirables in society and turn them into slaves really is what they're doing.

3:36:53Etienne FontanYeah. Yeah, my friend grew tilapia fish in Colorado prisons, and they were selling them to Whole Foods for penny on the dollars as organic fish. Mouth breeders. Crazy.

3:37:10Etienne FontanSo it's not just clothing, people. You know, trees and food, too.

3:37:16BubblemanOh, yeah. No, it's it's it's a it's a massive crime against humanity to open that can of worms is is a big one. It's let's stick with our cannabis prohibition for now and eventually. Well, thank God for people like the Delisis, you know, fighting for prison reform and people like Steve and his brother there and the Last Prisoners Project and many, many other groups that are just.

3:37:41SpeakerOh, yeah.

3:37:43BubblemanDude, it's like the worst thing you could do is send an innocent person to prison. That is so fucked up. That's like you have to have the highest level, the highest bar set to create a system that doesn't allow that or allows the least amount of it to happen that's possible instead of the current one that is the opposite.

3:38:05Etienne FontanRight.

3:38:07BubblemanFucked up, man.

3:38:10SpeakerVery, very fucked up.

3:38:12BubblemanWell, listen, we got about 20 minutes left, 22 minutes left. I love to do four hour hash church. So anything you guys want to talk about is on the table. I appreciate everyone for coming out today and spending time with us. And yeah, we still got over 300 people watching. We started over three hours ago. We're just just about at the three and point four five mark of the show.

3:38:34BubblemanSo it's been a good one. Great conversations with Dr. David Allen. A little tease on what the show is going to be like in the near future. I'm really stoked that you came on, Stephen. That was awesome, Etienne. Always happy. Listen, Etienne, you can suggest people the week or two weeks prior. And like I can plan a show around this shit. I love your last minute shit.

3:38:56BubblemanDon't get me wrong. Jesus, I'm like my wife right now.

3:38:59SpeakerBut I also like to make a plan.

3:39:01BubblemanAnd so I'm always down with making plans. And that is, it's hard for me to plan Hash Church every week when I don't actually have a plan. I do have this traditional Hash Church, Hash show I want to do on with some Afghani, Moroccan, Lebanese influence. I do want to do the aromatic volatiles with Nick Ziegler and Jeremy Plum and the people who created his equipment there over at Uh, Yakima Chief Hopps, uh, as well as a whole bunch more.

3:39:30BubblemanUh, and then I had another show. I think it was the PhD show with, uh, Maya Bell and a couple others that I've been speaking with over on Instagram. So I've got some ideas, but anytime you on the panels, uh, anyone on the panel has an idea for a show. I mean, listen, this is what Hash Church is for. This is your space to do so as you would wish.

3:39:51BubblemanIt's always hard because you just want to, you want to produce magic. You want it to just be, you know, it's hard to tap into the most passionate people that also have the ability to articulate what they're passionate about. So I appreciate each and every one of you for checking all those boxes.

3:40:10SpeakerAll right, nice.

3:40:11BubblemanIt's not an easy variety of boxes to get checked. And there's a lot of people that want those boxes to be checked where they aren't checked. And I'll kind of invite them and have a little pre-conversation, but it doesn't always work out. But I'm always looking for new people to come out on Hash Church and blow our minds with new information and education. I think what I would love, if you're willing to, Brian, is we finish this episode off With, with the Pietella, with you talking about your Pietella method, in fact, if you're willing to do that.

3:40:44Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh, I'm happy to. Oh, dude.

3:40:46BubblemanThank you so much. I'm going to put you on speaker. So it's you, the main guy. So many people are looking for this information. It's not even funny. And Brian does have some what I would call novel information in regards to helping speed up the cold curing process. For those of you that don't know what Piatella is, this is like a cold cured full melt bubble that Brian has been definitely leading the charge on.

3:41:15BubblemanHopefully I could actually play some of your videos while you're I know we did this last week or a week before, but go ahead. Tell us about the process for doing Piatella.

3:41:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsWell, you want to kind of go like right from the beginning, excuse me. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because when you and I spoke, I kind of, we spoke on the, what I would call the first whip or the pre-whip. I think that's pretty important to get the melt moving around. I guess to really start off, it would be to mention that this is, excuse me,

3:41:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is going to be your most per C batch or a fraction of your hash pull. So this will be for me typically a first or second pull 90 or first or second pull 120. So, you know, a good reason to separate the micron sets if you're trying to make this type of hash. I like those separate two sets in particular.

3:42:16BubblemanBut basically, that's a hugely important thing that you just mentioned. For those of you that are, first of all, you have to grow even starting before where Brian mentioned. First of all, you have to have an incredible understanding of growing cannabis and the understanding of how you can push or allow, facilitate, whatever you want to call it, cannabis to express itself. Thank you for joining us.

3:42:58BubblemanYour first pulls, the micron sizes make a point on writing that down because that is hugely important. And if you don't do that, your magic could get locked into, you know, some not so magic. Go ahead, Brian.

3:43:13Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, just very important. We have four different pulls off each wash is where we're at at this point. And the timing can vary a little bit. But basically, to go back to it, you want to use your very best fraction of your wash to go in into this style. So What I would suggest then is basically where I've only been using a freeze dryer over here myself and over here with us for just over a year, like a year and a half.

3:43:44Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd at this point going freeze dry instead of air dry, but straight out of the freeze dryer basically goes right to the jar. And get that melt your, you know, your Perseus fraction warmed up. And if you did need like a little bit of a boost to warm it up, if you're in a cold environment, I would suggest like right on top. We're small batch, so I'll do some small batch quick applications for things or trying things out.

3:44:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsA seed mat is a good idea where you could control the heat, I guess, you know, from 80 to 100. I wouldn't go too much warmer than, Thank you for joining us.

3:44:47Bryan Best Friend FarmsTo where the point where the melt goes from a white powder form into a melted down form substance where I'll try to feed in some stuff to Marcus also as we talk about it more for like the different phases I was thinking and where we could point things out and say like this is what I'm actually talking about. But basically white powder melts down to your kind of hash goo, your melted looking hash.

3:45:14Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd at that point when you get the melt on off of the Thank you for joining us.

3:45:39Bryan Best Friend FarmsBy nature, meaning like by genetic nature. So I don't really see where you could push a stiff grainy resin by genetic nature necessarily into this kind of greasy whip up. But then that's because I'm low technology and more high technique. So with the technique based, you know, movement or formations, I'm actually going for a Like no BS back to the genetics to where the genetics with the proper cultivation organically, you know, really for the speaking of the terpenes all the way brought to full finish.

3:46:16Bryan Best Friend FarmsJust some other aspects in where it's just not as easy just with the hash. You know, it's got to be a greasy type. It's got to be the Percy fraction. The technique behind it with that kind of genetic lineage and knowledge of that. Thank you for watching.

3:46:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsWhat would you say? Viscous or turning easily, whipping easily. That's when I would lid the jar, vac seal lid the jar if you have that capability to make these devices now. But either way, tight seal, tight close on the jar. And I like to bring it to about anywhere from a 60 to 70. Thank you.

3:47:30Bryan Best Friend FarmsThe really greasy ones are these strains that want to make hash. Well, this one does this actually from the addition of the gas mass side onto the GMO where GMO is kind of grainy. The gas mass that I've been kind of playing with for five or six years, did a back cross four this last summer, getting it to a point where, you know, I can even have the male side out in kind of a stable hash breeder line for my own purposes.

3:47:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsTo where I can add that gas mask sign on into a grainy resin, you know, grainy plant type and in the right phenol get a result where after I do the first whip, it might only take a few days at that temperature setting. Or often I'll even ride it out for about two weeks. It could be ready at about the week and stiffen up off that shiny Thank you for joining us.

3:48:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsBetween, you know, the resin and the terpenes and how you've actually touched them with your hand or with a tool, using a tool. But the human input side of it in that chemistry basically will, you know, push it forward to a point with that little bit of warmth, softening it up to where you're going to bring it to a stiffened up state.

3:49:07BubblemanAnd so at what point do you wrap in cellophane? Because most people are creating their patella in a cellophane. You're doing yours in jars.

3:49:16Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat was, it was kind of like interesting. And in a way I found it like super interesting where when I was posting any of these Piatella things and the comments would often be one of the first hits would be, or several would be about the plastic. Like what kind of, what is that you're using? What kind of plastic? When, you know, so I think it's a thing where, The plastic's important.

3:49:38Bryan Best Friend FarmsI myself, we just cut turkey bag, like, you know, high quality food grade turkey bag cut to size right there. You can see it. And I'm not even putting the plastic on myself until the very last step, which would be the formation of these little slabs. Right.

3:49:57BubblemanOK. Yeah. But yet still, because one of the things that always kind of crushed my soul about Piatella was that You had basically... What you were doing is you were sealing all the volatile aromatics. They're trying to get out. They're boiling out of the hash. They foam the hash up, right? Even if you don't do the whipping process that you did. I noticed that before it was water, when we'd leave water in water hash, water hash that was wet looked very similar to Piatella back in the day.

3:50:30BubblemanWe'd call it like, oh, it's kind of buttered out. It's wet. It's got moisture in it. The water would try to get out and it would foam up the hash. I see that happening with aromatic products. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:51:06BubblemanAnd that's a lot of aromatic volatiles that have been removed from that hash. And I get from the smoker's perspective, they're opening it and they're smelling it like it's the strongest smell they've ever had because now they figured out a way to like almost extract these aromatics and concentrate them into a way where let's just be honest, most of the time you don't see droplets of liquid on your hash.

3:51:30BubblemanSo I like the idea. I've never said no to Piatella, but boy, am I ever about scraping that cellophane at the end of the session, man. I am not leaving that behind. That is important to me. So thank you for sharing that with us. I think it's pretty darn important that people, the bottom line is it's like the skunk man, Sam static technique, unless you have the fire.

3:51:52BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:52:09BubblemanThat opens up questions. And if those questions take you down deep pathways, that is how you learn. So don't be afraid of these long, you know, if you're going to want to get into wanting to know how to do stuff like that. To me, that's a multi-decade journey. Doesn't mean you can't hit it. I mean, shit, when I started selling bubble bags, some people would send me pictures.

3:52:27BubblemanSome people would send me little bits of their hash. I'd be like, hey, is this good? Like, did I do a good job? And I'd be like, dude, you literally just made some of the best hash in the entire world. And you're just a fucking random dude. In Baltimore or wherever, right? It was always just random places, mostly Americans in the early days that would just, I'd be like, dude, you're in like a super short list of like, and who were these people?

3:52:51BubblemanWell, they were just people who knew how to grow good cannabis. They either had good access to genetics and maybe a good mentor that was teaching them some things. For whatever reason, they put one and one and one together and came up with like 18 instead of three. And that's how you get. For those of you that just watched that, that is no small feat. And I would personally like to give Brian a standing ovation.

3:53:16BubblemanFor that hash. From me, the bold man, to you. That's a standing ovation on Hash Church right there, dude. Holy shit. My mouth was watering the whole time. And who's to say that smelling cannabis can't be healing? I know when I'm starving, like hangry, and I smell great home-cooked food. I swear I can smell the love that my wife puts into cooking that food. My hunger dissipates just a little bit when I smell food.

3:53:42BubblemanSo if my hunger can dissipate a little when I smell food... So too can my pain. Go ahead, Etienne.

3:53:49Etienne FontanOh, oh, my brain. Oh, sorry, brother. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. I stepped on you. What were you saying?

3:53:59BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:54:17BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:54:46BubblemanSo yeah, you got to kind of navigate that when you have a very powerful olfactory. Like I've said on the show before, when I landed in New Delhi, India, I almost passed out unconscious. I had never smelt anything. And this is not an insult, first of all, to India. I loved India. It was an amazing place. I found it. I would go back and spend many, many months there.

3:55:08BubblemanBut it was the most unbelievably foul smell I had ever smelt in my life. And it was every bad smell I had ever smelt in my life, all combined into one bad smell. It was pretty intense.

3:55:25BubblemanNo doubt about it.

3:55:27SpeakerI personally find Bombay a worse smell than Delhi.

3:55:32BubblemanI was in Bombay, but I didn't really leave and go out in. I just was it was short. I was in Calcutta very short as well. And I've also heard that that is the fact of the matter. But Delhi is still a close second.

3:55:48BubblemanFor absolute destruction of the olfactory.

3:55:50SpeakerI think I've mentioned before, I had friends who flew in from California, landed in Bombay, got in a taxi, made it about a mile or two away from the airport, went back to the airport and left.

3:56:07BubblemanDamn. Well, that wasn't me. I got on a train and went to Haridwar and spent a month at the Maha Kumbh Mela smoking Nepalese hash with sadhu babas on the banks of the Ganges. And let me tell you, it was pretty fun. I am not going to lie. Shout out to Pashupati, the homie that I smoked almost all my hash with while I was there. Here we are in a Shivite temple just north of Haridwar.

3:56:35BubblemanAnd good dude. Good dude. He spoke like 50 languages. And in this picture, he's looking very bereft because I'm taking a picture with an actual film camera. But it was the year they came out with these little remote controls that would slide off the side of the camera. And so I was taking a picture with a remote control. So you can see it in his eyes. He's like, what fucking madness is this?

3:57:01BubblemanWhat is going on? Anyway, I smoked a ton of hash with that guy. Really good, dude. Quite enjoyable. Boom. Well. I want to thank everyone for coming out. If anyone has anything they want to finish it off with, they're welcome to speak now or at least till Sunday. Hold your peace. We'll be back again next year. I'll see you all in about a year. We'll get back on the horn and next year we'll have Cannabis Journal Club coming out on the channel.

3:57:32BubblemanThat'll be a membership only show. We have like 80 members now, so I'm pretty stoked on that. We will make the information available after a certain amount of time. It won't stay member locked forever. We want people to be exposed to it. But for those that want to pay a small price, they'll be able to get that information right away. In the meantime, thank everyone for watching today.

3:57:55BubblemanI think we still have over 300 people. Yeah, 314 people watching. I want to thank Lord Sav and John Maddox and Bubble Magic and Monkey and Carol LEDs, Robert down in Spain, who said he's been feeding his cows kilos of skunk number one trim. For quite some time. So for anyone that wants to go down to Spain and get the proper dairy products from Robert, who knows, maybe even eventually, I don't know if your cows are your friends, if you're slaughtering them and eating them.

3:58:25BubblemanDo we slaughter and eat our friends? I don't know. This is another conversation for another Hash Church. Thanks everyone for coming out. May the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. And we'll see you next year.