Reflections on Life, Loss, and the Cannabis Industry

0:00BubblemanGive me love. Look at that.

0:05BubblemanAll right.

0:10BubblemanWe are recording. We have not quite gone live, but it's happening soon. Here we go. Here we go. Interesting that it would start with a commercial. All right, everybody. I'm going to let Mr. Chimera into the room. We are recording. We're custom live on YouTube. I guess what I would say is welcome, everybody, to Past Church 5.0, Episode 20. I actually didn't even set up my earphones, so I won't be hearing anything that Chimera is saying right now.

0:46BubblemanHow about now? Are you there? I got it. I got it too. Beautiful brother. Nice to see you. You as well. Can you hear me all right? I can hear you perfectly.

0:58Ryan Dank AfLovely. Yes. How was your weekend going?

1:03BubblemanMy weekend was pretty good, pretty, you know, we've kind of been going through this whole landslide in Lions Bay where I live and it's been pretty heavy. Just today they lowered the mass of the flag and announced the name of the couple that were perished in the landslide. I guess it's such a crazy story. They're an older couple. They were at the hospital all night because the man wasn't feeling well.

1:29BubblemanAnd so they were in Squamish at the hospital all night. They come home for eight in the morning. Their bedroom is on the side of their house. They go and get in bed just to catch a couple more hours of sleep. And within an hour, a landslide takes out their house and kills them both. So this is life. This is, you know, your decisions. Matter. All your decisions matter.

1:51BubblemanAnd it's there truly is like when my father passed away the way he passed away, I truly believed in fate, you know, where people would be like, oh, my God, that's devastating. And I'm sitting there with my psychedelic mind thinking every single choice he made in his entire life led him to that moment. How could that be a mistake?

2:11Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, there's that whole thing, live by the sword, die by the sword, right? That's it. You know, yeah. Yeah, that was a tragedy when that happened. But we have to go on with life. And it's like, you know, it's like you're kind of saying, the choices that you make in life matter, the things that you do matter. You know, when you lose someone that's close to you, you realize how fleeting it all is.

2:38Ryan Dank AfAnd what other choice is there to just try to be a good person and be Enjoy life, right? Enjoy life, like find the good out of life because there's always, always going to be tragedy around us all. And I mean, Johnny, you're a great example of that. Look at you, get up and get it done. Don't let the difficult challenges that you face in life be your limiting factors.

3:06BubblemanWell, he's also he also shows that when it's not your time, it's not your time because this fucking guy has like, holy shit, falling off a 30 foot scissor lift. How many car accidents? Honestly, John, like.

3:21SpeakerHow many perishable? I was hit on by a dump truck. I hit a telephone pole of a hundred K, cut me in half. You know, I've been in some pretty, some pretty lessons and life is about moments. Don't wait for them, create them and create the moment you want to create. And everything that's happened to me, life's been happening for me because I really realized that all of these traumas that happened to me helped me build to who I am today because I wasn't going to lay down and take it.

3:46SpeakerIt built me up. Like we all learn from our problems and Experience comes with making mistakes. Mistakes gives us experience, right?

3:55BubblemanWell, it built you up, but it also took, like, I don't even know what the words to say. I just remember that you were much more when I met you, dude. You must have been 240 pounds when I met you.

4:07Speaker33. Yeah, 240.

4:09Bubbleman33, all right. So you're like a much, like, dude, you lost 100 pounds. You're like the most active person I know. You're on it, dude.

4:18SpeakerIt's from farming freedom. That's why, you know, that's what happened right there, you know? I mean, it was really, really understanding. It was the farmers, everything else that was driving me. It was the cannabis community. It was everybody. And it was, of course, myself, too, for pushing forward. We all have that ability. You have it. I have it. Everybody here can do that. It's just called discipline.

4:39SpeakerIt's getting out of bed. It's what got me out of the wheelchair. It's what pushed me through everything. Constant, never-ending improvement every day. Right? You only got one choice in life. That's your emotional mind. You can control one thing, how you take it here. So that's one thing, right? Who is your team? You. Rule number two, accept it's all on you right there. What you perceive, your emotional mind drives you every day.

5:03SpeakerSo identify how you want to feel. And it's my bond groups and it's the community and it's the emotion that we get here every day. And great morning, Wade. You know what? It's great to see everybody here. That's what we're here to do is to celebrate how far we've come and what we can do and how we can kind of see where we're going. My dad was here yesterday and he goes, he goes, Yeah, he goes, yeah, you're talking about crazy stuff.

5:26SpeakerI said, yeah, I said that at 16 too. And here I am with that crazy stuff, right? So don't live your life. Don't dream your life. Live your dreams. I say it every morning.

5:36Ryan Dank AfHave an expensive time with Johnny. I mean, there really are a few people in the world that have that verve and positive outlook and just go get it done every day. So it's nice to see.

5:48BubblemanDude, I remember when he was doing it, when he was completely sick, completely destroyed, completely like just everything was not the way he wanted it to be. I met him at the Cannabis Cup. He was selling maintainers for this other company. And he was like, their booth was across from mine. It was one of the last booths that was in that shipyard, in that building that was for ships.

6:10BubblemanI don't know if you remember that one, Chimera. It was one of the last ones. And...

6:14Ryan Dank AfNo, I didn't go to the ones after the Milk Vague. Milk Vague was my era, yeah.

6:20BubblemanThat's good. Milk Vague was the good era. Anyway, Johnny B's in the middle, and he's like, you know, he stood there for probably 14 hours. Yeah, waterproof, airproof, airtight. And I'm just looking at this guy like I know the shape I'm in and I know how I feel at the end of a 15 to 18 hour cannabis cup day because I would do like 10 to 12 hours at the at the at the PAX party house or wherever the main event was.

6:45BubblemanThen I would go get a booth at the milk vague and stay there till two or three in the morning. So I was doing like 18 hour days. And I was crushed at the end of it. My feet hurt, like my back was crushed. And then I'm, and I'm not even like destroyed. John was rocking like 80 extra pounds. He had like had multiple operations on his neck and spine.

7:09BubblemanLike he was, it was insane. And I remember actually taking the guy aside, the big, the big, big guy was that Kurt, Kirk, right? Kurt. And I was like, listen, dude, whatever you do, don't ever let this fucking guy go. I've never seen anyone work harder in my life. And he is like disadvantaged for the other people who he was working way harder than like young, healthy people.

7:34BubblemanAnd that's kind of what caught my eye about John. And then, you know, as as luck would have it, we would bump into each other on the plane ride home sitting actually right next to each other.

7:47SpeakerThat's how I met you, honey bee. The whole trip back was like, you were like a brother I had never talked to. And since then, we became best friends. We hung out. I love you. You're like a brother from another mother. And it's like, Ryan, you came over here, brother from another mother. We all have this passion. A passion creates creation. And that's all it was. I was so passionate about it.

8:10SpeakerI loved it. I love it. I love it. I mean, it's what we love to do here. And that's what we get to show up here. And all the other people showing up here today saying, good morning, good morning. You're here because of passion. And you're seeing and you love it. And we get to thrive with that together and create what we're going through and see the new era we're about ready to embark on 2025.

8:34Ryan Dank AfI really like and admire that you say that we get to, right? It's like the way you approach every day is like we get to do this. And it's true. Like we live a pretty privileged, you know, life getting to do this work. And, you know, we put the effort in, we put the work in, and anybody in the chat that wants to do it too, all you have to do is put the work in, put the effort in.

8:58BubblemanDiscipline. Yeah. I think the biggest thing in life, and I tell this to young people all the time when I get asked for advice, and I said this to some children, actually. I was at my son's school the other day, and they were all building gingerbread houses in this classroom. There was like 25, 10-year-old little boys and little girls with maybe three or four adults helping. And I'm telling you, the vibe in this room was so good.

9:22BubblemanAnd you could clearly see the different personalities, you know, the ones that were just... So focused on like making their gingerbread house, you know, like the way they wanted to make it. And then there were a few kids that were, they were a little standoffish. And I told those kids, I said, listen, the only reason you're standoffish right now is because you're afraid to make a mistake.

9:44BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

9:59BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

10:27BubblemanTo our mistakes and to our losses.

10:29Ryan Dank AfWell, it's this whole humility thing and ego thing. We don't want to acknowledge our losses.

10:34BubblemanWell, as Mike Tyson said after he licked the toad, if you are not humble in this world, this world will dress humility upon you. So remember that.

10:45Ryan Dank AfWell, and that, you know, I mean, look at the fucking Jake Paul fight. That was some humility for everybody that we were embarrassed to have to watch that and call it a fight. So, yeah. We all, you know, it's again, it's social media. It's what it's, it became this, like, let's pretend a life, right? Not what real life is.

11:07SpeakerIt's true. The biggest thing in life, problems make us grow. We're not unique. We're not unique. We all run patterns, right? So problems are what makes you grow. And once you realize that problems make you grow and you learn from your problems, you can then look at everything as a lesson. And I look at life as I get to learn, right?

11:27Ryan Dank AfAnd not yet. Yeah, life. Again, social media, everybody talks about the good stuff, but it's like life is full of challenges. That's how you deal with those challenges and keep on going. That defines you, right? Yeah.

11:40BubblemanDon't be afraid to have a piece of humble pie. It's tasty. It's actually really good. And if you don't eat humble pie, you'll be eating a giant plate of shit somewhere down the line. So just eat the humble pie. It might be a little sour. It might be a little this, that, but it won't be a giant plate of shit. I can promise you that.

12:01BubblemanOh my goodness, Bingo's mentioning something. I got to give, I got to give shouts out to my good friend, Martin Brizle, who is closing his doors of his absolutely epic and legendary bong shop, Roor. The name Roor, for those of you that don't know, came from microorganism. Ruhr is in the middle of the word microorganism right at the end of pro and at the beginning of org.

12:29BubblemanThat's how he came up with the name. You know, I, I'm not even sure. Where my Ruhr connection came with Martin, it must be 25 years, I would think. I shared many a booth with him at the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam, Ruhr and Bubble Man and Bubble Bags. We shared many, many booths together. I was lucky enough to drive to Frankenthal, Germany years ago and visit the factory, visit the...

12:58BubblemanWhere they made all the beautiful pipes and bring a couple of US glassblowers with me. I brought Steve Hopps and Nate Dizzle. Dizzle's known for the Swiss perk and Steve is known for the inline, which is the pipe that has that little kind of, instead of the piece going like this, he turned it sideways and put it right on the bottom of the front of the pipe.

13:18BubblemanSo that was really quite incredible. I've been good friends with Martin for so many years and shared so much of his journey and he shared so much of my journey. I was always just happy to promote and support Ruhr. They were such incredibly built. You know, they just had this real German engineering behind them that I always loved. Skunk Man Sam, if he was here right now, would absolutely be saying it was one of the few bongs I ever broke.

13:44BubblemanSkunk Man Sam broke like every bong he ever had. So when he got turned on to roars, the big thick eight mil millimeter ones.

13:52Ryan Dank AfWe were talking about it last night. He was talking. Yeah, we were having this exact conversation last night about the thick. I mean, these things weren't cheap. He'd buy like three or four of them at a time. And, you know, he was telling me a story about going out and buying every conversion. I just brought home a bowl, an 18-8 bowl, and I didn't realize that the downstem on my, you know, Chinese knockoff ruler, which is the reason that those things are, he's going out of business, right?

14:21Ryan Dank AfBut the, I was, the downstem was a 18-14 conversion. And so I couldn't put the new bowl on it. And yeah, he was telling me a story about going out and buying literally every conversion that they had. Because as you said, I'm like Sam, like I'm a glass breaker. So yeah, like, you know, I have an extra backup bong in a box, right? Just so that when this one gets eventually broken, the next one just comes out.

14:50Ryan Dank AfAnd that's something I learned from Sam. You've got the beautiful pieces, though. I can't afford to have the... With how much I break pieces, I can't afford to go stupid on glass. Same with Johnny. I feel like a bull in a china shop at his house.

15:04BubblemanI just... It was always trying to show my support. And I gotta say, I understand Martin. Listen, I was on one of my Hashmakers groups the other day, and someone posted up their... I don't know, Zen Bags or something. And the bags, they had the bags and then they had this little trifold out on how to use the bags. And I'm looking at this and I'm like, That trifold is my trifold.

15:28BubblemanThose are my bags and my trifold. So I asked the guy, I said, tell me you didn't get that with those bags. And he's like, oh yeah, I got them with my bags. And then another guy's like, yeah, I got them with my bags too. Bubble Bag Dude sends those out. And I'm just sitting there like, so I go onto the website to look at these competitors' bags.

15:43BubblemanThey're $6.76 for a five bag kit on Amazon. And I'm like,

15:53BubblemanWell, how the fuck am I going to keep my business in business? It's such a weird thing because A, we don't want people to spend more money than they should have to spend on things. Obviously, we don't want to be wasting money and spending. And there's a whole mentality of like Gucci and Chanel and they're just like random products that are ridiculous. Thank you so much for joining us.

16:37BubblemanSo I feel for Martin, you know, and it's a tough, what are you going to do? You know, it is what it is where there's a whole.

16:42Ryan Dank AfIt's the same thing in the seed business. It's the same thing in the seed business.

16:46Etienne FontanThe seed business has always been pretty rough.

16:49Ryan Dank AfIt's yeah and it's become race to the bottom and it's all it's like serving the home grower. I it was funny I have I've you know I've got friends in this in this business and someone was telling me another big name in the business and he was like I can't do I can't make a profit if I don't do six drops a year and it's like yeah but you're not breeding like you're taking clones and whacking them up and throwing them out and Thank you for watching.

17:22Ryan Dank AfRight, like even short breeding projects.

17:24BubblemanBreeding projects are only respected by like these, you know, like, okay, we're going to grow 8 billion apples. It's like, well, you better make sure you have the right apple because if there hasn't been some serious breeding gone into that apple and you just plant any old apple, you're going to go bankrupt. And there's so few, there's so many just... Trap Labs and Trap Shops that they, they're like, oh, I'll just buy my shit for inexpensive.

17:49BubblemanWhat value could there possibly be to pay a breeder all that money to work with a cultivar for 10 years? That's ridiculous. It's like, it's not actually, it's essential. And it's, it's a world of difference. I feel for you more than I feel for me or Martin because the seed business is, Seeds all look the same. They all look the same.

18:11Ryan Dank AfWell, I was saying it the other day, like a lot of people envision it as the seed is the product. The seed isn't the product. The consistent flower at the end is the product. Right. But with most seed guys, it's like as soon as they get your money, that's the deal is done. Right. And we've seen this. I mean, this isn't a direct criticism of anybody particular in the industry.

18:30Ryan Dank AfWe've seen this since the beginning. I mean, You know, Sam used to wholesale seeds to all sorts of different people and there were certain people that would buy a kilo of skunk and then they would have 20 different seed varieties on the market with different names and different packages with different pictures. But they had one bag that supplied them all. And these are pretty big names in the seed business.

18:53Ryan Dank AfLike people, like I remember when I first went to Amsterdam and got to know the inside of the seed business and met Sam and met some other folks and saw how things were done. It was very, it was actually kind of heartbreaking for me because it was like... Would that have been in early 2000? Yeah, yeah. And it was... Yeah, it was kind of hard to see that it was like, oh my God, this whole thing's a fugazi.

19:18Ryan Dank AfIt's like, it's this fake thing. And nobody's actually really doing the work. And really what it is, is they were selling, it's the same thing as selling wooden clogs to tourists. The seed was just a tourist item that somebody could pick up a little curio from their trip and take it back home and, you know, stick some seeds in the garden. And because cannabis of what it was was a prohibition and where we were at that time, You know, there was no industry.

19:47Ryan Dank AfAnd now there is an industry. But those same seeds are like, they founded the, you know, and people have improved them and some people are doing some work. Like, it's not like there's nothing going on. There is stuff going on. But inevitably, those people end up feeding... Thank you for watching.

20:28Ryan Dank AfSo the costs end up going up pretty damn quick. So, you know, you have to find other sources of income to be essentially paying for it because just the actual seed business itself just doesn't work anymore. And then, I mean, look at it in Canada, you know, You know, as you know, Marcus and Canada, we've got like these different product categories. You got the resin, the edible, the flower, pre-rolls, and then there's the seed category.

20:52Ryan Dank AfAnd I was looking at the government website the other day and breakdowns of sales between categories. And seed is listed on the bottom as like one of the potential five categories, but on the graphs, there's only four. There's only things that show up, right? There is no seed business. And it's because, you know, it costs you, it's a dollar. We have the stupid rule in Canada where it's like they consider one cannabis seed as one gram of flour.

21:18Ryan Dank AfAnd there's a minimum $1 excise tax on one gram of flour on the retail side before you even send it off to the wholesaler. So before you put the seed in the back, if you're selling 10 seeds, you have to give the government 10 bucks. Thanks for watching.

21:52Ryan Dank AfSo, you know, the taxes on just the dollar a seat, it ends up being, that's a $3 plus product and you haven't even added in your own margin. So it's like, it's the way that they set up the regulation is so stupid. And I'm in talks now with Johnny, you're muted. I'm in talks now with someone in Europe and the way that their country is legalized, seed is not part of the drug, right?

22:18Ryan Dank AfThe DEA has finally come around. The seed is hemp seed. It's not, there's no drug in it, so it's not a regulated product that can be sold. And, you know, we're in this legal system. It's like you can't do business here because of the way that they set up the regulations. So... It's tough. Like, it's tough to do R&D and find a way to make it all work.

22:43Ryan Dank AfAnd, you know, it just makes it happen that we can't do business out of Canada.

22:48BubblemanI mean, that's the situation I found myself in. I obviously my whole thing was to do Canada and I spent four plus years just dedicating all my time and energy into Canada, swallowing a lot of shit that I didn't like because it was this new corporate entity. And even though like, you know, Bruce Dawson Scully, who was the guy that brought me in and started the company, he was the founder of WeedMD.

23:11BubblemanI cannot say enough good about Bruce. He was so real. He never fucked me over. He always had my back. But unfortunately, the people that he put in charge of the company were real corporate chads, and they just were unable to They were just unable to release the block that was put up by, I guess, prohibition, where you have this judgment on what you think the other side is.

23:38BubblemanAnd I see it on both sides. I see the other side, our side of like the roots and the legacy, you know, hating on the suits and the chads, even though there was some value there, just like there was value on the other side. But getting those two teams to work together I mean just little things you know I'd be like hey you know how how my social media works is consistency so as long as I'm taking shots and making little videos every day I'm good to go while the girl who was in charge of media said well that's never going to happen you're going to take pictures you're going to send them to me in a week or so later I'll give you the edited versions with the words that I want you to post and I said that's not going to translate people are going to here's the thing and I've said it the last few weeks and I guess it's really a new lesson that I've learned nothing Thank you so much.

24:38BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

25:08BubblemanThis one after another, one after another, one after another until, you know, until the company is no more. It was just such a sad thing to be a part of that I had to remove myself from Canada, even though I, of course, I want to take care of the Canadian market and I want to have my products represented in the Canadian market and I want to make sure people have access to awesome hash.

25:27BubblemanBut the government and the excise and the partnerships were just so difficult that, you know, I sort of was pushed down to the US and my US partners have just been wonderful. They don't have the same regulations, even though there is still a weird, you know, from the cannabis people, they look at the hemp people like, oh, we're doing, we're following all the regulations and you guys are cutting the corners and it's making it so much.

25:52BubblemanSo they also have this sort of like Thank you for joining us.

26:16BubblemanThey're allowed to advertise and they don't have limits and this is just killing us. This isn't fair and fuck them and fuck this. And I was just like, listen, dude, first of all, you killed all the buffalo. We killed, we gave them smallpox infested blankets. We murdered their children and buried them behind schools. I think they can have this. I think you supporting them would be a better thing than you bashing them because think of it this way.

26:43BubblemanAll the activists that used to exist in Canada, well, they all have licenses now. A lot of it happened like that in Cali too. And those licenses are so protected that no one wants to do activism anymore. So really, who are the last activists? Well, they're the indigenous folks. They're the ones like, hey, we're putting up a container on our property. We're going to sell 100 milligram edibles.

27:02BubblemanWe're going to do advertising. We're going to put signs on the highway. We're going to do all the things that you guys are not allowed to do in the Canadian market. For me, I see this as a huge bonus. Excellent. You guys set the tone, make it so the government has to change the rules, not for you to follow our rules, but for us to follow your rules.

27:22BubblemanThat is what I would see as a success in Canada. And I urge anyone in the Canadian industry to Thank you so much.

27:46BubblemanWell, yeah, it was...

28:09Ryan Dank AfIt all came out of Trudeau like creating the spending all this political capital to get the system in and then he had to cater to the other side in terms of making it look like he was doing something to be proactive about you know not getting into the hands of the children and being highly regulated and it's just absolutely overboard at this point in time it's still a mess The whole thing was created from a mess.

28:33Ryan Dank AfI mean, Harper's government created the MMPR system because of the Allard license and the Allard, not the Allard ruling, sorry, but the medical license that existed that led up to the Allard ruling, right? And it was so wholesale out of control, as you remember. I mean, there was shops on every corner In certain cities and all the MMR licenses.

28:56SpeakerIn Canada, that was what was happening before legalization. There was a massive amount of shops. There was one on every corner like a Starbucks just before 28 October.

29:07Ryan Dank AfRight, but it was fed from the MMR licenses, right? Like that's what it was, is the people that had the medical homegirl licenses. The courts started awarding these licenses and the system blew up. Thank you for watching.

29:42Ryan Dank AfThank you for watching. See you next time.

30:00Ryan Dank AfMarcus, you've tried to go through the whole thing and you've had, you've seen all sides of the story and it's, that Pubco thing is, or the public company thing, the large money getting in behind there, I call it cannabis by committee. Right? And it's like, it's like you said, like having to submit, you're the expert. You've got like a hundred thousand plus social media followers and you got to like get some approval from some lady that worked at Canada Post or whatever.

30:27BubblemanDude, 575,000 social media followers. And she would not listen to a single thing I said. By the way, how the fuck did Etienne get into the room? I didn't push the button. Did someone let Etienne into the room? He snuck right in. He's got his own internet access. He's got the link. He's just sneaky. He's in the UN. He's like sneaking under the DEA. He's just like, that guy will get in.

30:55BubblemanDon't try to keep him out. He's tenacious. He just shows up.

31:01Etienne FontanYou gave me the link. I just, it let me in. I don't know.

31:04BubblemanWell, I usually have to, usually I'll see Chimera is trying to get into the room and then I just go, okay. Or no, admit. I had to do it for Wade and Johnny. I've had to do it for every single person that's ever come into this room. And unless I did it subconsciously for you, I'm mildly tripping out right now. Actually, I have a good story for all of you right now.

31:23BubblemanFor the first time in almost 30 years, I think it was yesterday. I was in America.

31:32Ryan Dank AfOh, how did that go? Yeah, I want to hear this story. I was wondering about that.

31:35BubblemanHoly shit. So I've been working on this waiver for a long time. Oh, Etienne's got his hand up already. Did you have something to say, brother?

31:44Etienne FontanNo, no, no. If you do your hand, it does the motions thing. It actually automatically did. No, I don't. No, no. I'm just too excited to hear this now. I'm like, you made it to America.

31:54BubblemanI was in America. So first, I want to welcome my homie Spartan Grown. I work with him at Grandmaster LEDs. I've done some great trips with this homie. Awesome, amazing dude. Welcome to the room, brother. I'm going to tell a little story about how I went to America yesterday for the first time. In 30 years. Yeah, fuck, tripping, tripping, tripping. So I've been working on this waiver for probably, I would say two and a half months, maybe three.

32:18BubblemanIt's a long drawn out procedure that required me because I have a pardon here in Canada. My record shows up in the US, but it doesn't show up. So it shows up as like a little blip, but they don't know what it is. And at the US Customs, if they ask you, you have to answer. If you lie to them, you're fucked. So when I tried to go down for Legends of Hash recently, I was at the airport in Vancouver.

32:45BubblemanI tried to go down to Portland for Legends of Hash, and I got there, and the guy opened it up, and I guess right away it showed the little thing, and he was like, oh, can I see your waiver? And I'm like, oh, I don't have a waiver. He's like, oh. He's like, oh man, okay. Like he literally seems feeling bad for me. This was a very unique experience.

33:03BubblemanThen he sent me into the back room, which I'm very familiar with. And they were super kind. This was like in August of this year. And they told me, look, you know, you got, you got a thing that pops up. So I told them about my thing with the BC Compassion Club. And, you know, and for those of you that don't know the story, you know, someone drove their car through the front window of the BC Compassion Club on Commercial Drive.

33:26BubblemanAnd my good dear friend, Hillary Black called me up and she was like, Oh my God, someone tried to steal like 30 pounds. And They got the safe all the way out to the front street or maybe it wasn't quite on the front street. Maybe it was just near the front door, but it was like a hundred feet from where it was. They also had like shimmied the corner.

33:43BubblemanI have no idea how they did this because this safe was like a old, like hundred year old, like bank safe, like with a door this thick, but they somehow cracked the The, the, the, they got a corner of the safe opened up and it was releasing the smell and the, and the safe was full of Renee, which is like the stinkiest, most just ridiculously styles, bro.

34:05BubblemanI'm telling you, like I always called it pot to get you busted. I had no idea that was files. I just called it pot to get you busted. Cause it's, Thank you for watching.

34:31BubblemanThank you for watching.

34:51BubblemanWith this flower. I suspect I had been ratted on because the cop had a build a little clipboard and he was letting the cars in front of me go through. But when he saw me, he looked at his clipboard. He looked at my the front of my plate. He looked again. He looked again. And then he stopped me. And there goes the 16 and a half Compassion Club pounds.

35:10BubblemanBeautiful, organic, just unbelievably wonderful. I remember sitting in the jail that day and the cops, when it was shift change, would come in and I could hear them going, ho, ho, ho, whoa, does that ever smell? And I'm sitting in jail just smelling rank flour. Even the other guy who was in the jail who had been there several times was like, This jail has never fucking smelled this good, dude.

35:37BubblemanThank you for real. Seriously, thank you. And I was just kind of like pretty bummed out because the, you know, sick and dying people weren't going to be using that cannabis. So I can tell the story with shits and giggles today, but it was painful to my soul and heart. And I was not laughing that day in any way, shape or form. And I wasn't not laughing for me sitting in a cage.

35:55BubblemanI was laughing. For the patients who were so vulnerable and so sick and so at the end of their life that it just seemed just sick and twisted that there would be a group of soldiers with guns that would try to take this away from them. Anyway, I went through the whole court case. I ended up getting no fine, no time. The judge ordered my money be given back.

36:16BubblemanThe prosecuting attorney tried to traffic in cannabis with me and my lawyer. For his sick and dying friend that was in prison, in the hospital dying of cancer, yes, of course, we got him his medicine. The judge's name was Paradis, which is paradise in French, and he had developed prostate cancer during my case. So he was listening very, very intently to all of the patient stories, to all of the...

36:44BubblemanHe just, he had never heard any of it, right? This is like... 98. The internet existed, but it was low. It was low. I hadn't been on the internet yet. Bubble Man didn't exist yet, just to give you an idea how long ago it was. And so I went through that. I got this, you know, this charge and my lawyer, John Conroy, uh, told me, uh, You can't go to America and you can't go to Japan.

37:06BubblemanThose are the two countries that won't have you. Don't even bother trying. And after about 10 years, maybe more, I decided to get a pardon. I had no idea what the difference between a waiver and a pardon. The pardon everyone told me was the one you want to get. It's the one that makes it disappear. So I spent years trying to get this pardon, thousands of dollars.

37:25BubblemanI finally get the pardon. I'm super excited. I'm like, I'm going to America. And they're like, you can't go to America with a pardon. I'm like, what? They're like, no, dude, you need a waiver to go to America. I'm like, no, no, I got a pardon, dude. It's disappeared. I don't have to worry about that. I got a pardon. Yeah, I know, dude, I'm telling you, you're going to need a waiver.

37:42BubblemanI'm like, motherfucker. So I find this all out.

37:46Ryan Dank AfI think you need both. I think you need both.

37:49BubblemanIn the end, you do need both. It's true. So I ended up getting the waiver. No, that's not true. You can get a waiver if you have a criminal charge. All sorts of people do it with felony DUIs, which is no different than a felony trafficking charge. They're all just felonies. If you've got a felony, you need to get the waiver. So I work on that process of getting the waiver.

38:08BubblemanAnd this takes me also a fair amount of time, like about three months. I hired the lawyer. It's very expensive, $4,000 or $5,000. You can do it yourself for about $600 US on that side. And I think on the American side, like if Etienne had something and he wanted to come up here, it would be about 1,000 Canadian. if you think of like a million americans needing to come up to canada over the course of a year and spending a thousand bucks it's a billion dollars of generated revenue uh it's insane how much money they make off of this but it is what it is even the border guard yesterday was saying the same thing he was just like yeah it is what it is dude you just gotta jump through the hoops but so yesterday after getting All of my documents, I got to get my pardon from Ottawa.

38:50BubblemanI got to get my original criminal record from the court. And because it was 98, it was pre-computer. So I get my records unsealed. The lady's like, you have to be down at court. No one's allowed to unseal this because of the pardon seal. So I go down there. They open this envelope from 1998 in front of me, pull out these documents, and they're all handwritten, which is wild to see because I haven't seen a handwritten document in a very long time.

39:15BubblemanAnd yeah, I end up... Collecting that, I collect, oh, I have to prove proof of articles for my self-employment. So I have to send my articles in corporation. I have to get letters of reference from a couple of people. Thank you both, Cheryl Wozniak and Sharon. Wonderful of both of them to write me up such beautiful letters of reference. And then my favorite, which I feel like I should put it on gallery view so all of you can, I can see your expressions.

39:44BubblemanI did have to write a letter of remorse

39:50BubblemanYeah.

39:51SpeakerWas it a letter of sarcasm or was it a letter of remorse, which wasn't?

39:55BubblemanIt was a real letter of remorse. I was so, so sorry that I got caught.

40:01Ryan Dank AfAnyway, I want to see that letter.

40:04BubblemanI'll send you the letter. I'm so sorry. I'll send you all the letter. It's a good one. Anyway, I wrote the letter of remorse. Listen, the bottom line is I am literally the perfect person for America to let down in there. I'm not a criminal. I'm not going to cause problems. I'm not going to cause drama. I'm not going to break a single law. I'm going to spend money.

40:22BubblemanI'm literally the people they're looking for. And I know that. I'm going to improve the hash game.

40:28SpeakerAll positives, man.

40:28BubblemanI mean, dude, come on. I'm making it work. So I meet the lawyer. He's like, OK, I want to meet you down at the border. So he sends me down to this place called the Peace Arch, which is kind of where Surrey ends and Blaine, Washington begins. And I go down there and he's giving me directions. He's like, okay, drive down 99. You're going to turn right on Beach Avenue.

40:51BubblemanIt's exit one. Do not miss that exit. He says, as you pull in, there's a big parking lot on your left. That's the duty free shop in all capital letters. Do not pull into the duty free shop. I guess if you're at the duty free shop, customs can still talk to you. So behind the duty-free shop, if you drive by it and then take the second left, there's a long all chain link fence driveway that goes into another big parking lot that is behind the duty-free, closer to the border, so totally confusing, and it's the Peace Arch Park parking lot.

41:26BubblemanSo I park my vehicle, I've got all my documents, my lawyer pulls up, it's totally like some random drug deal in this parking lot, he gets out, he I give him 1400 bucks to pay his last.

41:35SpeakerThat's what I thought you were describing for a minute there.

41:38BubblemanExactly. I give him all the documents. He puts them in order. He puts a little thing on there. He goes, okay, I want you to go across. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, just a second. You're not coming. He's like, no, I'm not. I'm not coming. I'm like, whoa, dude, you have to understand when I tried to go to Portland, the whole reason I flew there and went to the airport was that I was still in Vancouver and I just was afraid to be in America because I didn't know what, how they looked at me kind of thing.

42:02BubblemanAnd So now he's sending me by myself to America. And I'm like, holy shit. He's like, I want you to, he walked me to the end of the, of the sidewalk and we're like past the Canadian Customs building and we're halfway, we're past the Peace Arch. And we're standing at this sidewalk that just sort of creepily ends on the boulevard. And then you cross the street and another sidewalk begins.

42:24BubblemanHe's like, you see where that customs agent is standing? Because there was a guy standing there on his phone. I was like, yeah. He's like, I want you to follow him because he had just turned around and started walking down the sidewalk. I want you to follow the wall, turn left, turn left, go in, jump in line at line B. And so I'm super freaked out and kind of afraid and maybe I didn't need to, but it's been 30 years since I've been to America and I was mildly freaked out.

42:48BubblemanAnd so I walk along, I'm following this guy. Here's the other thing. Right before... We got to the end of the sidewalk. The lawyer goes, holy shit, do you walk fast? I thought I walked fast. I'm like, bro, my wife is always mad at me because I walk so fast. He's like, mine too, but you're walking like twice as fast as me. And I say to him, I said, listen, honestly, I walk four times faster than this.

43:08BubblemanI've slowed it down for you. How fast do I walk, Spartan?

43:11SpeakerDude, I have fucking witnessed that firsthand. I'm a tall guy and I was using my full strides to keep up, man. Yeah, you were. And poor Thomas.

43:21BubblemanAnd Thomas, he was just like, bro, can you please fucking stop running? So I walk really fast. So what do you think happens when I get behind this guard, this border guard that's walking about 30 feet in front of me? Well, I catch up to them right away. And I'm and I'm, you know what, I guess I look aggressive. So a customs agent from the Russian the US border, straight up Russian the US border, bro.

43:45BubblemanSo the sidewalk is right next to where all the cars pull in where all the cameras and the lanes and the big kiosks are. And so the kiosk on the farthest lookers left He gets out and he goes, Bill, Bill, there's someone behind you. And I'm like, oh, hey, yeah, I'm behind you, Bill. And he kind of, he's still on his phone. He looks and he's like, he doesn't give a fuck.

44:08BubblemanBut the other agent was, he was concerned. I could tell. And so he says, he says, where are you going, dude? He used the word dude. He's got tattoos on his hands, on his neck. I'm like, okay, maybe this guy's like a cool guy or whatever. I'm like, oh, I'm just, uh, I'm going to go to the end of the sidewalk, turn left. I'm going to walk to the front doors, turn left.

44:25BubblemanAnd then I'm jumping in in row B. And he goes, oh, you know exactly where you're fucking going, dude. Have a good one. And he goes back to his kiosk. And I'm kind of like, OK, that was that was kind of weird. I walk in and I get in line and I'm standing in line and I'm waiting for probably 45 minutes. And there's all these different, you know, when you're waiting in line at a customs and you kind of like.

44:47BubblemanThank you for watching.

45:08BubblemanAnd I get him.

45:10SpeakerOh, dude.

45:11BubblemanHe's the guy. He's the guy I get. So I go up to him. You know, all in all, he was a pretty cool dude. He asked me like, hey, what? You know what? Why are you doing a waiver? I'm like, well, you know. I got caught doing something I probably shouldn't have been doing. I thought I was doing the right thing. He's like, you thought you were doing the right thing.

45:27BubblemanI'm intrigued. Tell me more. I said, well, my friend started this BC Compassion Club thing and she was selling, giving away weed and selling weed at a super low price to like vulnerable, homeless, drug addicted, mentally ill people. And she asked me to take some cannabis home one day because someone robbed her place. And I thought, well, I'm doing the right thing. I'm on the right side of this.

45:49BubblemanAnd I got caught immediately and got arrested and charged criminally. And he was like, oh, man. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. So he's like, you weren't even making profit. I'm like, I wasn't even making profit, dude. It is what it is. He's like, he's like, okay, well, that's all right. Yeah, it is like that was before it was legal. Then I'm like, that was before it was legal.

46:08BubblemanAnd that's how it became legal in Canada. If you look at the story, it was Hillary Black and her BC Compassion Club that really pushed it over the end to getting this sort of medical thing that we have in Canada here. And He was really super chill. He signed all my documents. He took my fingerprints. He took pictures of me. He had to take my fingerprints for the biometric requirements of the waiver, but he also had to take those to give me a document to take back to Canada because now I'm in America and when I go back to Canada, I have to deal with that customs as well, which I'll tell you about in a second here.

46:40BubblemanAnd so I was in America at the U.S. border in America, not like on the edge. I was in America for the first time in almost 30 years. And I got to say, it felt good. I looked at the border guards as they were just people. They're just people. When I was younger, they didn't look like people to me. They looked terrifying. I was scared shitless of them.

47:00BubblemanI had a real mental block with with customs and I crossed borders. Thank you for joining us.

47:27BubblemanSo and I didn't take my phone. I would not take my phone to the US border. So I got to sit at the US border for about 90 minutes and not look at my phone, not read anything, just sit there in an almost meditative state, which I would urge any one of you. Thank you for joining us.

48:04BubblemanYou could get a one year, you could get a three year, you could get a five year. It really depends on the group in Virginia that's going to be going over your waiver and all your documents. And so I thanked them profusely. Thank you so much. And as I'm walking back to Canada, I see a sign that says, no cannabis allowed. Make sure you declare your cannabis.

48:26BubblemanAnd I'm like, what kind of sign is that? Why would you declare something that's not allowed? And then I go past another sign and it said, no weapons allowed. Make sure you declare your weapons. And I'm like, OK, I'm going to have to. Part of me is like, don't ask him questions. Just give him the documents and continue to walk through. So I get up to a door.

48:45BubblemanThat's right next to the cars that are in a line. You walk into this door once he lets you in and it's his kiosk has two windows, one for the cars and one for you walking through this little area into Canada. So he says he comes around. He says, I'll be with you in a second. Helps a couple of cars. Then he comes over and lets me in and I open the door.

49:04BubblemanHe says, hey, how are you? I said, oh, I was just doing a waiver in America. Here's my document. He said, oh, OK, great. I said, listen, I got to ask you. You got signs asking people to declare their weapons in cannabis. Are people that stupid that they declare things that are completely illegal? He's like, oh, my God, it happens daily. We have it happens almost every day now.

49:21BubblemanBut he says now what those signs are there for is that, you know, say you have like a knife or something that's completely legal in your country, but maybe the blade is too long. We want you or maybe it isn't. We want you to declare that as a weapon so we can look at it and make sure it's OK to go into the country. Worst case scenario, we're not going to charge you if you declare things.

49:40BubblemanI said, well, what about the weed, man? Like people are declaring weed. He said, listen, it's legal over there and it's legal over there and it's only illegal right here. So if someone has three or four or five grams, he says, honestly, anything under 10 grams they find in their car on the way to the border and they declare it, we just take it and throw it away.

49:58BubblemanWe don't charge them at all. And I was kind of like, you know, part of me was like, you throw their weed away, motherfucker. But the other part of me was kind of like, Cool for what it used to be. Zero tolerance. Like you're getting criminally charged. You're getting a felt. I'm thinking of all the shit I have to go through. Still, 30 years later, this thing's following me around.

50:20BubblemanAnd I thought, wow, that's pretty cool that they can offer and do that. And anyway, it was the most amazing feeling to walk out of the Canadian border and just be like, and know in my heart that in six to eight months, I'm going to be in America. I'm going to be knocking on Wade's door. I'm going to be knocking on Etienne's door. I'm going to be knocking on Spartan's door.

50:41BubblemanI'm going to go to Michigan and Oklahoma. I'm going to Illinois. I'm going to Colorado and Montana and New Mexico. Everywhere my brand operates and beyond, all these amazing people that I've met over the years. California, I have never been to California. How the fuck have I never been to California, dude?

51:06SpeakerHoly shit. The first time I was west of the Mississippi River was, and we missed you so bad at MJ BizCon, brother. Hopefully next year we can get you down there. But me driving the lights filled up in the truck, driving them down to MJ BizCon, man, road tripping it. And it was so cool to drive out there and see the country and just, I wanted so bad to like, say, give me one more day so I can just drive one more state over, get to Cali and say, I've been there, you know, but it wasn't.

51:37BubblemanThen we go to Cali together, Spartan.

51:41Ryan Dank AfI'm coming for the Cali link so I can show you some stuff down there.

51:45BubblemanOh my God. Hell yeah, dude. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I know it was long and drawn out. Jeez, I must've talked for half an hour. That's the longest I've talked on Hash Church in probably like eight years. So apologies.

52:00Ryan Dank AfThat's a big moment. It's a big moment.

52:03BubblemanIt was a big moment for me, man. It was a big moment. And I just want to kind of like, Give props to U.S. Customs, dude. They were humans. They were nice. They were kind. They made jokes. While the guy was helping me, he literally said hello to every new customs officer that arrived. One guy, it was his birthday, he fist pounded him. One guy, he got up and hugged.

52:23BubblemanHe was like, Oh, dude, it's so good to see you. Gave him a hug and sat back down. And I was just like, these are people. These are just people. You know, he's talking about his ears. And because I told him, I said, man, I'm telling you, like, I'm a little bit disturbed standing here for all this time. I could only read the titles on the side.

52:41BubblemanYou know, they got the smuggling one and the agriculture one. And they're so far back. I could my 51 year old eyes. It was just blurry. And I said, man, that was disconcerting. I couldn't. I can only read the titles of your warnings. And he said, oh, yeah, man, I know I have the same thing with my ears. And I'm like, oh, dude, like, take care of your ears, dude.

53:00BubblemanHe's like, oh, I just I was a stereo guy for a long time. I was, you know, doing the stereo thing and sitting in the cars with it super, super loud. And and I, you know, I now they're damaged. I'm I'm only, I don't know how old he was. He looked like he was in his late 30s, early 40s, and he's already mucked up his years. So we got to have that kind of human conversation.

53:21BubblemanI remember when I was younger, there was no human conversations allowed. It was kind of like when they take your picture for your passport and they say, don't smile. That's how the whole U.S. Customs experience was for me. And not just U.S. Customs, my American friends that came up to Canadian Customs And I totally understand and get as an adult now that The border is a pretty important thing.

53:46BubblemanAnd like when you don't protect it, you know, you end up with mountains of fentanyl, which we have here in Canada, mountains of fentanyl and other sort of things that are going on. So I don't wish that job upon anyone. That would be a very big responsibility. Like you let the wrong person in and all of a sudden there's a terrorist attack and it's on you. Like I get it.

54:07BubblemanBut at the same time, I'm just happy to not be In the negative with America, I just want to be looked at as someone who can come in, enjoy my time with my friends, break no laws and just see the beautiful country, man. I've never, I mean, I've been to, you know, certain states. I've been to New York State. I've been to Massachusetts and I've been to Washington and I've been to Montana and, you know, Minnesota and a couple of other states, but just not the ones I really wanted to go to.

54:39Etienne FontanDid I ever tell you the story of how we got kicked out of Canada because of LV Muzica, the medical marijuana patient in the United States brought her marijuana into Canada and we got caught at the border?

54:54BubblemanThat is a classic. I can only imagine being at the border with LV Muzica. Was it her federal cannabis or was it when she was already doing bags?

55:04Etienne FontanSo Dana and them invited us up to, this is 93. This is how old this is. Okay. So it's 31 years ago. Jesus.

55:17Etienne FontanSo it's my first hemp tour on Cannabis Action Network. We're in an old... 79 Chevy van, no air conditioning. A bottle of patchouli had been broken in it and spilled and stained it in the back. So there was no air conditioning. It was the summer heat and the stinky smell of rotten patchouli, right? And then the inside of the van, I'm just setting this up for you.

55:48Etienne FontanThe inside of the van has nothing but pot stickers on the inside from all the rallies that it's been to, right? So I'm junior on this trip. We had just done Oregon. We went up to Seattle and we did with Vivian who would end up going on to do this Seattle Hemp Fest. We did a rock and roll rally with them. Which was just hilarious because we get there to Seattle and on the marquee it says the Cannabis Action Network and LV Muzica.

56:28Etienne FontanBut right above it in large letters it says Lesbian Muff Divers with Cannabis Action Network and LV Muzica. Apparently Lesbian Muff Divers was a band at the time in Seattle. And so LV's like, Jesus fucking Christ. uh anyway we survived hey that's marketing that's the bigger draw man right oh boy did it ever draw so we we get up to bellingham we do a rally in bellingham and then they send us off to canada so we get to the border and i'm in the back so my my mentor is running the show at the border and they asked do you have anything to declare Nope.

57:12Etienne FontanDo you have any money? Nope. Okay. Pull over there. And of course, as soon as the customs person comes in and just looks in the van and all he sees are pot stickers. And he's like, everyone out. So. When we had stopped in Seattle, Elvie had given, she basically took her tin and gave it to a lawyer. So it was sitting with counsel. I guess that's a procedure she has to do that the DEA has for her marijuana that she gets from the University of Mississippi.

57:48Etienne FontanSo she goes to her lawyer and then she takes like 10 joints with her loose, puts it in a Ziploc bag. Give her a letter because she already has a letter, her get out of jail free that says, hi, this is DEA marijuana. Let me go. And the lawyer gives her then a letter that says. All of my marijuana is back in Seattle. OK, so we.

58:19Etienne FontanGet pulled out and then I go through the most politest search I've ever been through in my entire existence. The Canadian Border Patrol is absolutely the nicest. Oh, sir. Hello, sir. Yes. Would you please take off your left shoe, sir? Thank you very much, sir. Would you please lift your left foot, sir? Thank you very much, sir. That's like first class service.

58:43SpeakerThat's nice.

58:44Etienne FontanOh, I was just blown away by just the courtesy because, you know, I'm ex-military. I'm used to, you know, I'm from the South. I'm used to police like, look, motherfucker, take your shit off and show me what the fuck you got, right? I'm not used to, hello, sir. How's it going, sir? I was just overwhelmed by the politeness and it was taken aback by it, but... So, go through my search, and as I come out, my mentor's there, and I'm about to sit down, and he's like, don't sit down.

59:12Etienne FontanI'm like, don't sit down. He's like, you can't sit down. The queen, we don't sit before a queen. And I look up, and there's a picture of Queen Elizabeth there, because it's Canada. And I was like, oh, oh, all right. I'm kind of like, I'm ex-military. I'm a combat vet. I'm in my head. I'm like, what? We can't sit before a queen? I don't remember that. Okay, whatever.

59:31Etienne FontanI'm just going to ride this one out. And then LV gets taken in for her search. And then my magic family is like, oh, this should be interesting. And this whole time you're just standing there because you can't just standing there in in a in a room random seats just me and him standing in the middle of the two seats standing in front of two seats just just kind of standing there just kind of like well all right well nothing we can really do here and I guarantee you I've got a hemp or a pot leaf t-shirt on because we're going to a rally right in Vancouver right from there straight to a rally so I'm rally prepared so We're resigned because we had all of our grow books, our hemp shirts and twine that we didn't declare.

1:00:20Etienne FontanSo we knew we were in some trouble. But then within a moment, this woman comes out holding a piece of paper and she is walking like Marcus.

1:00:36Etienne FontanShe has a pep in her step and that's when I watch my mentor's head go, oh shit. The oh shit head drop. And that's when I realized that it was going to be a day. And so what happened, as opposed to LV handing her the, this is my marijuana from the DEA, she hands her the other letter from the lawyer that says, the rest of my marijuana is back in Seattle.

1:01:04Etienne FontanAnd basically we get... We get kicked out of Canada. They seize the van. They then charge us with $5,000. So we go back to the United States. And you have to understand, and let me paint this picture for you. The Canadians look like, if you've ever seen Star Trek The Next Generation, they had a onesie at the time with just a little badge. They look so slim and professional.

1:01:33Etienne FontanThat's at the time. They all look like Star Trek The Next Generation folk. No different color. They're all the same color. They all have a nice little gold badge. Wow. So, they basically give us a fine. They say, we're taking your van and You may now go back to America. So we go back to America. Yes, we're walking. We have to walk. We've got no vehicle. So we walk back to America.

1:02:04Etienne FontanAnd of course, in America, they're like, why are you here? And why are you walking? Well, we got kicked out of Canada. Well, why did you get kicked out of Canada? Her marijuana? Her what? And then, of course, she has the proper paperwork out this time. Hands in the paper like, holy shit, you can have marijuana? And she's like, I'd show it to you, but they took my marijuana.

1:02:26Etienne FontanLike, they took your American marijuana? And I'm like, oh, Jesus fucking Christ, what the fuck is going on here? I am literally a week into my first hemp tour, and here I am, and you gotta understand, folks, now the Americans... All are fat, have huge pot bellies. They have guns on each hip with speed loaders, multiple speed loaders on their hips like you Canadians are coming across firing live rounds.

1:02:54Etienne FontanYou know, I was just like, what the? And so it's just the whole dichotomy of just Canadians, not a fucking weapon on them, all looking very slim and very nice and, you know, proper and looking like the future. And you come back to America and there's fucking Billy Joe Bob and his fucking speed loaders. It was just like, what the fuck? And then they're like, you're here because of your marijuana?

1:03:18Etienne FontanWhat the fuck? And so they're like, okay, well, welcome back to America. And they sent us to the Burger King. So there's a Burger King course right in America. We got Burger King. So, of course, we used to pay.

1:03:29SpeakerThat's so America right there.

1:03:31Etienne FontanThat's essential America.

1:03:33SpeakerThey come to a fast food joint.

1:03:36Etienne FontanSo we called Dana and then they were like, you're not going to believe this. We got fucking kicked out of the border because of LV's marijuana. And they're like dictating it live to the fucking rally there at the at the, you know, in Vancouver. And they're like, hold on, we're going to send a guy from the Vancouver Sundown. We're like, well, we're not going anywhere. We got nowhere to go because we then had to call our friends in Bellingham to say, hey, we're high and dry, literally.

1:04:07Etienne FontanCan you come get us? And they're like, on our way. Well, on their way, as we're sitting out and outside, you know, waiting. The Burger King of all places. Burger King, right? The Vancouver Sun comes and they literally interview Elvie right there. There's a picture, I actually have the clipping, I have to look for it real quick, of Elvie with her hands up and me behind her kind of like, oh my God.

1:04:34Etienne FontanAnd

1:04:37Etienne FontanWhat happens, we get picked up. We go back to Bellingham. We kind of hold a press conference. We have the fine that says we're owed 5,000 something.

1:04:52Etienne FontanThen it comes out the next day in the front page of the Vancouver Sun. A woman gets denied marijuana at Canadian border. Huge fucking, you know, headline. And there's a picture of LV with her hands up and me behind going... And... All of a sudden, we get the money wired up from, well, this is what we use... The Wire Money Western Union. So they wire us, apparently a friend of ours who was a grower, basically threw the $5,000 or whatever we owed, put it in a fucking Western Union.

1:05:29Etienne FontanWe got it. And then these guys are like, okay, here's what we're going to do. We're going to give you guys a vehicle. A guy's going to drive you up there and we're going to, you know, you're going to go get your vehicle. So as we're going on the way up, we're listening to the radio and on the radio. It's now the Canadian Broadcasting Network. And the head of every hour is, well, ladies and gentlemen, a woman was actually denied at the border her medical marijuana and she was a 94 year old woman.

1:06:10Etienne FontanAnd of course, my mentor and I are like, oh, Jesus Christ, if LV ever hears that she's a 94-year-old woman, she's going to lose her shit because she's in her 50s at the time. So, you know, any woman in her age is like, don't fuck with my age, right? And of course... We get to the border, same spot, same location you're talking about, the peace transfer area.

1:06:33Etienne FontanI totally remember that, Marcus, because they told us don't park at the same thing. We go in, and of course, the line is all the way to the door. I have a copy of the Vancouver Sun tucked under my arm. I'm wearing a Live Free or Die cannabis shirt with the hemp facts on the back, and my mentor's wearing a huge tie-dye pot leaf. We immediately disappear into the line, right?

1:07:01Etienne FontanWe're just in line. And immediately in front of us are these two older women.

1:07:06GmlAnd first things out of their mouths are, oh, did you hear about that 90-year-old woman from America who got kicked out for her marijuana?

1:07:15Etienne FontanAnd I just kind of elbow my man to her. And we're just kind of like giggling to ourselves like, Jesus Christ, I cannot believe this is actually happening. And so we, like you said, Marcus, about an hour to work through the line to get to the front and we get to the front and we get right up there and The guy's like, okay, how may I help you?

1:07:40Etienne FontanAnd my mentor basically takes the newspaper from under my arm and slams it on and says, we're here for our van. And immediately the crowd behind us, because now the line that was in front of us is now completely behind us. And now everybody's just kind of peeking their head along like, what the fuck? And we're like, we're here for our van. You guys see this and this is illegal.

1:08:03Etienne FontanAnd All of a sudden, the guys and the women and men behind the counter all of a sudden just kind of just go into oh shit mode and they all kind of all go to the back and congregate in a circle. They all look around and then the big guy comes in and he starts talking and then peeks out, looks, and so he now takes his badge off.

1:08:28Etienne FontanAnd so he comes over just in the jumpsuit. Okay, so very polite Canadian in jumpsuit.

1:08:35SpeakerHe's like, this is off the record.

1:08:37Etienne FontanWell, that's what we're like. What the fuck's going on here? And he's like, okay, man. Here's the deal. We assessed your fine and it's actually like $7,000. It's not 5,000. We looked at it and everything else and that's not the deal. And at this point, I'm just kind of just standing there and like, what the fuck's going on? My mentor's like, no way, bullshit. This is not gonna fly.

1:09:07Etienne FontanYou said it's this, it's in the Vancouver Sun saying this, you're gonna give us our van and we're gonna pay for it and it's gonna be done. No, sir, this is not how it's going to be. And then Matt goes, go to the phone. And I'm like, what? He's like, go to the phone. And so I sprint from the front of the line all the way practically to the back of the line to where the pay phones are.

1:09:29Etienne FontanRemember, this is 93. And I get there. I'm like, what's the phone number? The Vancouver Sun. And he just slams open the paper. He's like, well, and he starts rallying it off. And I'm just going in and they're like, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Because now the entire crowd's cheering.

1:09:45SpeakerThey're like, yeah, yeah.

1:09:48Etienne FontanGet the Vancouver Sun in here. And they're like, oh, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. And so he goes back and they all kind of confer. And then we're kind of standing there. I got my arms full and people are like, yeah, get in the van, get in the van. Now people are cheering behind us in the thing, right? And we're just like, oh, wow, this is kind of crazy.

1:10:07Etienne FontanThen the big guy comes forward and he says, all right, gentlemen, all right, all right, all right, we need to stop this now. Okay, we've decided that we will honor the original number.

1:10:19SpeakerWe've decided, no, I think everyone here have decided, bro.

1:10:23BubblemanDude, dude, dude, that is right up there with the Canadians. Right after the truckers decided to do the rally in Ottawa and like not leave, like a few days later they wrote, The mandates are over. And then they wrote in parentheses, this was on the front page of the paper, but not because of the truck rally. Right.

1:10:45Etienne FontanSo, you know, yeah, it's basically we were, we paid the fine. Everybody, then everybody cheered. They're like, okay, you can have that. And Mac turns around with the receipt. We got the van.

1:11:03GmlAnd everybody's like, we got the van.

1:11:06Etienne FontanAnd so they're like, stand over here. A guy is going to come and get you. He has to escort you into the lot for you to get your van. And so we we walk. The guy gets us and he's like, oh, man, what you guys did in there was really cool. I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, we ain't never seen nothing like that before. And he's like, and so we get to our van and he's like, just, we just wanted to say a howdy, goodbye and a safe travel back to America.

1:11:35Etienne FontanAnd he just kind of just kind of gave a little tip of the hat to us. We're like, well, thank you very much. And I get in the van, we get in the van and we get back and we get back into America. And so we're driving back. We're kind of, we got the music blasting. We're feeling good. And all of a sudden I'm like, hey, Matt, Do you smell that?

1:11:54Etienne FontanAnd he's like, that smells like weed. I'm like, yeah. And so I reached under my seat and there was a fresh Canadian bud. Someone don't know who had placed And we got to the spot where we had actually pulled off. We had put our pipe, right? Remember, you'd pull up to a place on the side of the road. You put your pipe and stuff there. So you go across the board and you come back.

1:12:23Etienne FontanSo we went to the spot where we had our pipe and our stash. And then we smoked whatever that Canadian was and made it back to Bellingham. We had a celebratory, you know, welcome back. But we were not allowed back into Canada at the time. And this is all pre-digital. So, you know, I've never had issues, but yeah, that's how LV got kicked out of Canada with her legal marijuana and faced no repercussions, except that we were not allowed to go to the rally.

1:12:51Etienne FontanSo, and I ended up with a random Canadian.

1:12:55Etienne FontanAnd it was delicious. I mean, it was the most victorious bud I've ever really inhaled. And I don't know what it was, but it was probably one of the sweetest tasting pot I've ever had in my life.

1:13:09BubblemanYeah, that's quite a story, dude. I honestly thought you were going to say that Elvie's pot was put back in the van. I was like, do not tell me that you got Elvie's weed back. No, no, no, no.

1:13:20Etienne FontanIt doesn't smell good. No, no. It smells like Mexican grade because that's what it is. It's a varietal about four to five percent. And when you smell it and it has seeds and stems in it. So it's it smells horrible. So as soon as you smell it, you're like, no, no, no, you smoke this. So I won't even let her smoke that stuff in my presence. Most of the time she would get to spots on tour and then she would bake it into cookies.

1:13:46Etienne FontanAnd that was what she would do with that as opposed to smoking that as much. So. Yep, the Canadians, extremely polite, extremely wonderful. But yeah, yeah. So I'm glad to hear that you are US bound. And I look forward to you coming and sharing and being around so we can actually go see our spot together in San Francisco.

1:14:08Ryan Dank AfI thought you were going to say that the Canadian border guards looked like South Park. That's what I thought you were going over a second.

1:14:16Etienne Fontanhey buddy no no they were so absolutely like i said they looked like star trek the next generation back then you know they were just so professional put together i mean so slim i mean compared to the americans like i said that all looked like you know they all were obese you know and or had double speed loaders on each hip you know like you canadians are just so violent you know it's like you guys got it wrong It's the opposite side.

1:14:42Ryan Dank AfThe Canadians should be against us. I have noticed going across the American border, the way it works at the Vancouver airport is there's a separate, it's a separate end of the international terminal. So if you're going to the States, like it's separate from all the rest of the travel. And as soon as you get past behind the, what you do is you go up to the counter, the airline counter, and you check in and then you walk past them.

1:15:04Ryan Dank AfAnd then behind that, it all funnels down into one area. Thank you. Thank you.

1:15:37Ryan Dank AfAnd it's all about like, it doesn't matter what preparation you do beforehand, the decision is up to the guy that you land in front of, right? So for Marcus, like that was a real thing ending up with that one guy because it literally is like, you know, what the personal feelings of the person that you end up with and what ends up happening. So, which is weird.

1:16:00Ryan Dank AfIt's like, you know, like I had my whole TN visa application done by an immigration lawyer and And it was all set up to go a specific way, but it really depends on who you end up in front of.

1:16:13BubblemanYou're not wrong. You are not wrong. It definitely does.

1:16:16SpeakerIt depends on what you're wearing and you look like, too. That's for sure.

1:16:21BubblemanI thought that. I thought that.

1:16:23SpeakerAnd then I cut off all my hair and the dreadies.

1:16:27BubblemanI think it's in my eyes that they could see. I swear. I was like, oh, they're looking at my eyes again. They can see it. It's there.

1:16:34Ryan Dank AfYeah, it was funny. Like when I went down to the States that time, I did, I dressed up in a suit and got a nice suit jacket and crossed the border, like looking like a professional. And they were very skeptical of me. And then I ended up going down to, I think ATN, it was one of the first times I met you. There was a, there was an event in DC at this fancy hotel in DC.

1:16:58Ryan Dank AfI think it was American for Safe Access thing. And I remember walking to that event from my conference. And, you know, the way we, in Canada, you walk by someone, you just kind of like acknowledge them and like, you know, raise your head. And there's these African dudes sitting in front of a McDonald's, like kind of nodded to them. And they looked at me and they said, we know you 5-0, motherfucker.

1:17:20Ryan Dank AfYou keep on walking, right? I just thought to myself, dude, I just crossed the border to come down and lead the most sophisticated cannabis breeding project that's ever happened in this country. Couldn't be more wrong. Right. But it was, it was pretty funny.

1:17:37BubblemanThat is so good. What a great, like, if only I would have been like, incorrect.

1:17:47Ryan Dank AfYou are wrong, sir. I see you, 5-0. Keep walking, motherfucker.

1:17:52Etienne FontanTalk about missing. I've been shaving my head for nearly, you know, since I was 18. So when I would go to Shakedown Street early on, they'd be like, fuck you, dude, you're a cop. I'm like, no, no, no, not a cop. Just bald dreadlock. It's okay. It's all right, guy.

1:18:13BubblemanIt's scary when people think they know. No, I know. I know I've had it happen with like even good friends where business partners and you know even with you know I won't go into it too much but with Legends of Hash like my falling out with Addison he just he just didn't believe me and like literally thought I was lying about all the he didn't believe I went to the border he didn't believe I was denied by customs he didn't I had to prove all of these things to him and even after I did he was still kind of like You know, it's weird when you're not like when you're being honest and someone doesn't believe you.

1:18:47BubblemanIt is the weirdest feeling where you're just like, how the fuck do I convince this person that I'm not like when someone really believes you're a liar, you start like, no, but I'm not like, yes, of course, I've lied in my life. I'm not lying right now. This is not a lie. It's it's it's a tough one, man.

1:19:06Ryan Dank AfWell, you've lived it, and that's a thing. It's like those dudes saying I was a cop. It's like it wasn't about me. It was about what was in their head, right? That's it. It didn't matter what I did or what I said. They knew I was a cop 100%. Where were we in Barcelona?

1:19:21SpeakerI wasn't even Canadian. I wasn't even American. Marcus, was it in Barcelona where we met those guys who thought we were a rock band walking around?

1:19:32BubblemanWell, they thought you guys were a rock band because you looked like metalheads. You and fucking... Who was it? It was you, Thomas... Was it Heston?

1:19:40SpeakerYeah, I think Heston.

1:19:41BubblemanI guess he was all four. Yeah, they were like... They were like, yeah, we thought you were, well, it was funny because we meet, we're at, we're in Germany at the Estrell Hotel in Berlin and we're, it was in Berlin, not Barcelona. And we're trying to get a seat at this pizzeria and it's full. And the guys in front of me are kind of like, you know, they're kind of these like pretty cool dudes from, I can't remember, Sweden actually, I think they were from.

1:20:04SpeakerYeah.

1:20:05BubblemanAnd they said, the one guy was like, hey, you know, if you don't get a seat, you're welcome to sit with us. We have an extra seat at our, because at that point, Spartan and Thomas and Heston had gone next door to the steak place. I'm not going to have a steak. I'm going to just eat some pizza or whatever. So I went and sat with these guys and met them and they were, yeah, they were like, oh yeah, you know, funny enough, like we're big metal heads and we totally thought you guys were a metal band because we all had the same, like, Stuff on like this sort of stuff.

1:20:37BubblemanAnd yeah, it was just a hilarious. Those guys were really cool, man. I ended up befriending those guys and hanging out with them, blaze them down later on in the inside the Estrell Hotel in my secret spot upstairs.

1:20:48SpeakerSaw them several times walking past and they'd always be like, hey.

1:20:53BubblemanDude, I reached out to them not too long ago. I'll never be able to find it because I get like 300 messages a day on my Instagram. But literally less than a week ago, I saw their name come up and I reached out to them because they had this crazy pipe. That they're developing this insane, I can't even picture it in my mind, but it's all like electronic and small and cool and they're still working on it.

1:21:15BubblemanBut yeah, they definitely thought we were a metal band. That was pretty funny that we thought you were a metal band. I feel like we should do a metal video now just for those guys.

1:21:26SpeakerOh, no, man, we have to. That'd be great.

1:21:30BubblemanIt's a lot of fun traveling around the world with cannabis. I'm not going to lie. I had some amazing times. It's been unique because it's so illegal at borders, but so kind of allowed in certain places that we go. I can't help but feel all of those years of pushing those boundaries and You know, puffing on the streets where you're maybe not supposed to and bringing the pipe across the border into Germany.

1:21:58BubblemanAnd, you know, when the customs agents opens it and says, well, what is this? I'm like, well, it's a pipe. Well, for what? I'm like, well, for smoking. Well, for smoking what? I'm like, well, for smoking hash. And I can't remember who was with me when I said that, but I remember them looking at me and going. I can't believe you said that, dude. I'm like, bro, I'm a medical patient in Canada.

1:22:16BubblemanThat's what that pipe is for. I use it to smoke hash. Why would I tell him anything different? Germany's not zero tolerance. He's not going to not let me into the country because I told him this pipe is for smoking hash. If he finds hash, he might, but I have no hash. So just that sort of truthfulness that we all had to sort of subject ourselves to and that sort of like, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:23:03BubblemanIn the end, I'm asking for permission to go into their country. So whatever the rules are, I'll follow them. And if the rules are that I have to be remorseful at the U.S. border for smoking cannabis, that's the one place in the world I'll be remorseful.

1:23:16SpeakerI'll get my clone right now to talk to them. I'll just, you know, here's my, I'll write a letter of remorse that way.

1:23:26BubblemanWhat's that, Tony? I missed it.

1:23:27SpeakerI'll get my clone to write a letter of remorse so you can talk to him.

1:23:33BubblemanYeah, they will definitely not accept that. You want to follow the rules at U.S. Customs, whatever they are. And I would say the same thing to anyone coming into Canada Customs. They're very much the same way. They are just people. But if you step out of line and you don't follow the rules, although I will say when I got denied into the border going to Portland, there was an American guy right ahead of me and he got caught with like some Xanax bars and some weeds and pre-rolled joints and gummies.

1:24:00BubblemanMaybe some psychedelic mushrooms. And they just let him through. He sat for an hour and they kind of, and then they were like, we're just going to let, I heard him like, we're just going to let you go today. You know, it wasn't that much stuff. And I'm like, it wasn't that much stuff. I'm sitting here for 0.20 of a gram of a roach that I got caught with in 97.

1:24:16BubblemanThis motherfucker. So I had to ask the customs guy. I'm like, dude, how could you have let that guy in? And he just looks at me and he's like, He's American. There's no reason. He said the zero tolerance is just for... That's right. That's right, dude. And not only can they not keep you out, he had no interest in even harassing them. Guy was there for less than an hour.

1:24:38BubblemanXanax bars, pre-rolled joints, gummies, and a small bag of weed, and quite possibly a small bag of psychedelic mushrooms. I was like, holy shit. This guy's walking into America and I'm denied.

1:24:52Ryan Dank AfDid he look like a head? Like crazy.

1:24:54BubblemanNo, he looked like a totally normal, like 35-year-old guy, like just like a guy you'd see like in a mall or on the street, no?

1:25:02SpeakerThat's just an average American, man. That's what we walk around with.

1:25:07BubblemanWell, I'm guessing no one knows that better than U.S. Customs. What an average American walks around with. Like I'm sure there's been millions of times they've popped a woman's purse open and been like, You're not allowed to bring these like Xanax bars across the border. Like, are you, what are you doing? Oh, oh, I didn't realize I, I eat them every day like popcorn.

1:25:32Ryan Dank AfI remember coming back across the border when I moved back from the States and coming back into Canada. I had like a small U-Haul because I had, you know, all my stuff that I'd collected and lived with down there. And I had a gas chromatograph in the back. And I pulled up to the customs thing, knowing full well that they were going to, you know, open the whole thing up and go through it.

1:25:50Ryan Dank AfAnd dude didn't even want to check. He didn't even want to look. He was like, okay, go ahead, drive through. I said, you don't even want to look into the back? He's like, I don't know what a gas chromatograph looks like. Right? I was just like, Jesus, man. You think you're going to get this big, like, you know. Well, full anal fucking probing and they just let you right through.

1:26:12Ryan Dank AfIt's such a bizarre thing, the border.

1:26:15BubblemanWell, because the reason you think you're going to get the big anal probing is because the first time you went across laissez faire with no worries in the world, thinking everything was on the up and up and good to go, you got the anal probing.

1:26:27Ryan Dank AfYeah, I've never, you know, I've actually never had problems at a border. The most friction I had was trying to get that TN visa.

1:26:36BubblemanI have definitely had to bend over and spread my cheeks and show them my butthole. They never touched it. But I will say that when I did it, and I don't know why I said this, I said, this is amazing. I would be arrested if I did this anywhere else in the world but this room to you. And he was pissed.

1:26:55SpeakerSee, I think I would have had to do it. But I think if I had to, I would try to go the funny route and say, I hope you're taking me out to dinner after this or something.

1:27:06BubblemanI thought I was being funny. I thought I was being funny. Like, it's hilarious, dude. I'm mooning the customs officer with my cheeks spread open. Legitimately what you would want to do when you're being harassed by anyone. And yeah, cough hard twice, foul Bundy. That's correct. Cough hard twice.

1:27:24Ryan Dank AfImagine that was your job that you had to inspect assholes. I mean, I feel bad for those guys. Bummer. Really? Yeah, it is a bummer. I mean, literally.

1:27:34Etienne FontanOh, no, no, no. There's this in the military. When you go through your, it's called the ASVAB. When you got, you can take your test and you go through the actual stuff. There's a guy that all he does is, you know, drop them, lift each testicle, then bend over and spread them. That's his entire job. Five days a week. That's his workday. So imagine that, people. That's your workday.

1:27:58Etienne FontanDrop him, spread him, cough twice, bend over. Okay, next. And then the room clears out.

1:28:04BubblemanRoom clears in. He'd probably really know the difference between a good-looking asshole and a bad-looking asshole. He would really understand the difference between good hygiene and bad hygiene. He'd have an understanding that I have no interest in having an understanding.

1:28:20Etienne FontanThink they're professionals is what you're saying. A gold star is

1:28:25SpeakerI'm interested in his reject rate. Like, does he just does everybody pass or is he or is he really into his job? And he's getting like one out of 100. Yeah, I don't know. You'd have to ask.

1:28:37Etienne FontanI guess it would be a hemorrhoidal fail, right? I guess or something like that. Yeah, I guess.

1:28:43BubblemanI guess on a good day, something pops out on a good day. Something pops out and you're like, yeah, I knew it's an exciting day.

1:28:55Etienne FontanHey, honey, you're not going to believe this. That's rough. Marijuana actually fell out of his anus.

1:29:03SpeakerIt was... We caught him. Oh, fuck.

1:29:13BubblemanThis is a rough-ass church, I'm not going to lie.

1:29:20Ryan Dank AfWhat a discussion. What's Chad saying about anything else?

1:29:23BubblemanYou never know what you're going to get. You never know what you're going to get.

1:29:26SpeakerThat's what happens when you agree to cover all corners. You got to get everywhere.

1:29:33Etienne FontanSo Marcus, I take it at this point, they've received your paperwork and then they're going to process it and then they'll let you know that the people in Virginia, I guess, will say you're a thumbs up and then you're given the go ahead.

1:29:48BubblemanThat's the whole, that's a six to nine month wait. So it's, you know, they're obviously backed up. They're not rushing to do any of this stuff. So it'll be, well, I mean, eight months is August, nine months is September, which is harvest in Michigan. So it would be pretty cool to head down to Michigan while my partners are harvesting their 17 acres. Of organic cannabis, I absolutely have been mesmerized by it in the past.

1:30:12Etienne FontanMarcus, I want you to put it on. If you come to America, I want you to join us in New York for the USDA's show and tell mid-September. It will be their eighth. And as Rob Clark said, it is the most diverse field of cannabis ever planted on the earth he's ever seen or heard of. And they're going to be doing it again.

1:30:36BubblemanI'd be honored, man. I'd be honored. Let's hope that everything works out and that they look at me as someone that is welcome in the country and not someone that isn't. I would be mildly devastated if they told me I wasn't welcome, but it was very expensive to apply for a waiver, so I guess you could probably apply for another one at one point in time. I'm not sure, but no, that would be amazing, dude.

1:31:01BubblemanLike I said, I want to see everyone, man. I want to...

1:31:04SpeakerSo the waiver is limited? It doesn't last like forever kind of a thing?

1:31:08BubblemanNo, usually they give you a one year and then the next time they give you a three and then the next time they give you a five. That being said, the American customs agent who denied me into Portland at the Vancouver airport, he told me based on his knowledge that looking at my numbers, my age, how long it's been since I've been to the U.S., my lack of criminal records since then, he suspects they give me a five.

1:31:31BubblemanHe was like, you're going to get a five, dude. I would be very surprised. So they can bump you up. You don't have to. Yeah, because it was so, they don't, they can do, it's up to them. It's their, they're in charge. They get to do it however they want to do it. And so we'll just hope for, hope for the best, man. I just want to come down to America and enjoy the country and enjoy the people and eat good food and smoke.

1:31:51BubblemanOh, I mean.

1:31:55SpeakerAnd act like an American.

1:31:56Etienne FontanDo legal things in those states where they are. Oh my God.

1:32:04SpeakerI'm watching this right now.

1:32:08SpeakerWell, I will say, man, there are a lot of people stopped by the booth, a lot of familiar faces, a lot of new faces, and a lot of people asking, where's Bubble Man? Where's Bubble Man? And I was like, oh, he's cleaning up a little bit of records.

1:32:23BubblemanDid you meet my crew from Michigan? Did you meet the Michigan crew? I didn't. Jason, Ryan, and...

1:32:28SpeakerI didn't see them come through, man. I must have missed them. I did get to escape the booth a few times. I wish I'd have been able to escape the booth more because that place was so massive. I mean, this was the first one that I've ever been to, so I don't know what to compare it to. Everyone there past vendors said that it's getting smaller and smaller, but I was just like...

1:32:48SpeakerWe were in a room that was bigger than any of the convention we went to. It was just massive. And then that was only one of like three or four rooms of booths. But I did get to, we were in the cultivation side, but I did get over to where they had a section for like seed breeders and things like that. And that's really all I got to see.

1:33:10SpeakerAnd then I walked back to the booth because it was just so pretty much busy. There's always people there wanting to talk.

1:33:16BubblemanWell, I got to get up there for sure. We're down there one of these days for sure. Hopefully it'll still be. I mean, listen, I want to go to a biz conference, but it's definitely not at the top of my list. I just want to see so many amazing people in person, you know, in their states that I've never been able to visit in all of these years.

1:33:36BubblemanI mean, someone just said in the chat. Cake in a cup. B-Man's going to need a tour bus in about six months when he gets to the USA. For real. Like, I could literally do a tour of the USA in a tour bus. I got so many amazing places to go and invites and grows and hash makers and activists and just friends, all around amazing folks. I mean, I'm telling you, it's... You do it.

1:34:02SpeakerYou have to do a hash church, a mobile hash church, man. You're going to be on the bus.

1:34:08BubblemanAlways mobile hash church.

1:34:10Etienne FontanOh yeah. Do a different stop every weekend at a different space.

1:34:15BubblemanWell, listen, we're 20 weeks in right now to do past church every single week without a miss. And this is, you know, for people that think that's not a thing. It's a thing. Trust me. It's not an easy thing to get people to gather every Sunday morning. It's not an easy thing for me to not be busy or for me to not. I say no to things almost every Sunday morning.

1:34:37BubblemanI missed. All of my 10-year-old son's skating lessons, something I absolutely adore doing and hate missing. I missed every single one of them these 20 weeks. Every week that we did a Hash Church, I missed one of his skating lessons. So don't think that there aren't sacrifices being made. For us to gather and share these dialogues and conversations. And that's just me. I guarantee you every single person on this panel has similar stories in order to make it.

1:35:03BubblemanSo thanks everyone. First of all, you guys all for showing up on the regular and for the three to 400 people who watch us. Every week live for the 5,000 plus people that watch us as recording within the first week. We do appreciate you guys. There's no doubt about that.

1:35:25SpeakerAll the hash makers out there, we appreciate you, man. People that are caring about quality and not the people that are remediation artists. The hash makers, that's what I'm talking about.

1:35:38BubblemanI was talking to a remediation guy the other day, a CRC, he's a media, he sells the media and he's like, oh, it's tough, you know, because like we want to, what we sell our stuff for is for people who need it in a certain, like say you're growing, you know, I don't know what the situation could be with, for instance, RadSource that does the irradiation. It's a double-edged sword because you have a group of people that are, you know, say it's your first grow and you're in the seriously regulated, like maybe you're in like Illinois where I think microbials is like 100.

1:36:11BubblemanLike 100, dude. That is absolutely insane. That means everyone fails everything all the time, okay? You're always failing. So imagine you don't really understand that. You're kind of like, I think Michigan's 100,000. I could be wrong. If it's not, it's 10,000. Yes, the rec side is 100,000.

1:36:26SpeakerI think it's 10,000.

1:36:26BubblemanOkay, so 100,000. So imagine, and I could be wrong. Don't quote me if I'm wrong. It might be 1,000 in Illinois, but it is super fucking low, which means you spend, say you're a small guy. You're not even a rich guy. You build a small spot. You grow up the cannabis. It takes you months, almost a year to get it done. And that's if you're lucky. Otherwise, it's two to three years.

1:36:47BubblemanYou get your first crop out. It's exceptional. It's beautiful. You send it in for testing. They send it back. You failed microbials. You have two choices. You can irradiate or you can toss that crop. Or I guess there's a third choice. You can turn it into distillate and get like nothing for it. So those are your options. So, you know, and then you got like a whole group of people going, oh, if you irradiate, you're a piece of shit.

1:37:11BubblemanYou're just a Chad irradiator. It's like, but on the flip side. You have people, the Chads, who now grow moldy weed. They absolutely don't try to not grow moldy weed. They're happy to grow a whole crop moldy as can be because they know they're going to rad source it. So, and I talked to the owner of rad source and I said, that's the problem with your company, dude.

1:37:28BubblemanIt's like, yes, you're there for people who really need you. But what happens is Thank you for watching.

1:37:49BubblemanIt's not as cut and dry as, oh, we should never have a radiation. Well, I can promise you that radiation has saved a few mom and pops from going out of business off their first crop in the regulated legal market here in Canada. So it's a hard kind of look at being like, no one should be able to use this because it's so bad. Or let's let everyone just grow moldy weed because we have rad source to save us at the end of the day.

1:38:16BubblemanIt's tough when you try to make these black and white decisions.

1:38:19SpeakerYeah, I think a happy medium there, and they're talking about it here in Michigan. In fact, CRA, which is the Cannabis Regulatory Agency here in Michigan, they've actually put out, like, these are our new proposed rules for this upcoming year. Let's talk about it kind of a thing. We're going to have meetings. And one of the things in there was that if remediation is used, it'd be added to the label.

1:38:41SpeakerSo I think that's great. So if we're going to have this and we're saying, okay, this is okay to have in the market, at least let's label it so that we can tell it apart from other items that don't have remediation. So if it's something that the consumer doesn't want in the end product, they'll at least know to look on the label. So I thought that was kind of a happy mitigation tool.

1:39:03SpeakerI don't know what the words are for that, but I thought that that was a pretty good idea coming from a government agency, which you don't usually see good ideas coming from.

1:39:13BubblemanWell, I mean, listen, once again, I'm pretty stoked on the whole IPM light that Thomas came out with. We try not to shamelessly plug things here on Hash Church, but both Spartan and I work with Grandmaster LEDs, and they've come out with this UVC light that is making some waves, I will say, in the least. Do you want to talk about it a little bit, Spartan?

1:39:38SpeakerYeah, it's the, it's a tarantula predator and it's just, it's not a new idea either. I don't like to come out and pretend like it's, we're the first, you know, company to, to use UPC light, man. We, we found Thomas, the, the CEO, he found an abandoned patent on it to give us an idea. And then we started looking into it and, you know, the Dutch have been using it quite extensively for long periods of time in the, in their greenhouse operations when they were looking for fungicidal applications.

1:40:08SpeakerWe were looking more for pesticidal applications. So it took us a long time after we developed the light to... Get it through. We had to register in the United States through the EPA because it's pesticidal. And it's kind of writing the rules on how do you get a light through a pesticidal registration, right? So that was really the longest, hardest thing for us to do. Thank you for watching.

1:41:00SpeakerWith enough exposure time, it's going to damage the DNA of humans.

1:41:04Ryan Dank AfAnd DNA of the plants as well. And DNA of the plants as well. Absolutely. UVC causes all sorts of DNA hecticness.

1:41:13SpeakerYeah, it's all about exposure. And for humans, you want zero exposure. So, you know, run them in the night cycle when there's no other lights on and run them when nobody, no people are present. And the exposure time is five minutes. We run it five minutes during the night cycle for IPM reasons. If you saw pest pressure, like I'm going to my room, I see some trip damage on a leaf or something like that.

1:41:38SpeakerThen I would pump that up to 15 minutes and do a 15 minute treatment rather than the five minute treatment every night during the night cycle. The night cycle is kind of too... Two reasons. One, it kind of makes sure there's no humans in the room because usually in a grove, you don't have, during the night cycle, you don't have people in there because you don't want to bring light into the room, even green light.

1:42:02SpeakerGreen light, I mean, that's a whole other debate, so I won't get into it. And then... Thank you for watching. See you next time.

1:42:23SpeakerSo if there are bugs up and active, they're going to be attracted towards that light source, which just gives them a bigger exposure, we found. And we like to hang them. They have kind of a floating hanging system that hangs off these cables that you can slide up and down your poles. But... We like to hang them under the plant rather than above, over top. Either will work, but the bugs tend to crawl under the leaves to hide.

1:42:49SpeakerThey tend to lay their eggs under the leaves. There's just so much more of an advantage and they're way more effective if you hang them under the canopy facing them up. And they kind of swivel and you can swivel them back and forth and you can even swivel them all the way down towards the soil level if you wanted to try to go, well, like maybe thrips because they have part of their life cycle down in the soil, maybe fungus, gnats, things like that.

1:43:13SpeakerThat's what I really like about them is they're kind of versatile and if it doesn't eliminate having to spray, it reduces it by 90%. And that's the least favorite thing for me as a gardener to mess with is spraying. I know I sound like a salesman, but this is why I really love them. It's like, especially at the commercial.

1:43:33BubblemanListen, it blew me away, dude. When I went and saw Thomas and he was like, oh, come see my UVC lights. Well, first he told me about his LED lights. And I was like, dude, I have like 12 LED lights in my garage. Every company and their dog sends me these lights and wants me to promote them. And I just, I don't know anything about them. So I'm not really concerned.

1:43:50BubblemanWell, I got this other thing and it's, yeah, it's this UVC light. And So he started sending me information about that. He started sending me pictures of his absolutely devastated crop from this rip damage. Then he showed me that he brought in all these spider mites and aphids. And I was like, this guy is fucking insane. Because A, this isn't just, this is his medical garden. It's not like some extra garden he has just to destroy.

1:44:15BubblemanIt's all the resin from that garden is his resin. If he ruins it, he doesn't get any resin. And so I was like, okay, that's kind of crazy. And I went and photographed his death bubble crop that was devastated by thrips. And he had given it this UVC light for like... Five minutes, no more than five minutes at night on a timer that it would come on for.

1:44:36BubblemanAnd, you know, we pulled off some of the damage leaves and whatnot. So it wasn't so damaged looking. I went in with my macro lens. I want to say two and a half weeks later. And I couldn't find a thrip or an egg or almost any damage anywhere on the plant. It was very surreal. And it was the same way with the spider mites ones. Like he showed me how much, how many spider mites, like he didn't put a spider mite on his plant.

1:45:03BubblemanFirst of all, he put like, I don't know, 20,000 of them on there or something like some insane amount of spider mites on his plant. And just a couple of plants in a tent, same, you know, with the aphids in the background on another plant. And he's photographing video in these things. And After 36 hours, it was insane how many there were. Like it must have been hundreds of thousands of them, if not millions.

1:45:27BubblemanAnd then within like 12 days, there was no webbing. There was no spider mite damage on the on the fresh new leaves that were coming up. I just personally had never seen anything like it. I thought the exact same thing. Chimera immediately. I was like, well, it has to be if it can damage my DNA, if it can damage bug DNA, it has to obviously be able to damage plant DNA.

1:45:46BubblemanI didn't do any science on it. What I did do is I photographed his plants with a very high potency macro lens, which I've shared before. There's no bugs or bug poop or bug damage anywhere to be seen on the plant. I feel like I went to all the places where you would find it. It's not like I took three tops and just photographed three tops. I was underneath and in deep.

1:46:08BubblemanThen I had him come to my house with the flower after he cut it. And unfortunately, he had dried it. If we had used it fresh frozen, I have no doubts the star rating would have gone up a little bit, but it was a solid five star. And we got over 20%. It was a 22% yield from dry flour to hash. And so from my perspective, it seemed like the plants looked healthy they looked good after the infestation the resin was great it was strong it wasn't lacking any flavor profile the yield seemed to be there i mean who knows maybe he would have gotten a 28 return had he not Thank you for joining us.

1:47:08BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:47:29BubblemanI haven't gotten any bugs, but I would love to get those lights in even for, you know, and I haven't gotten any powdery mildew yet either, but I know it's coming. I know it's inevitable. I mean, John, you can tell us all about powdery mildew and bugs. I've seen them at your house before. How much would you not love just another tool that doesn't involve changing? I just...

1:47:50SpeakerAnd I had something. I had a wizard wand, which is similar. I have put on my big memory. I put on this mask and the welding gloves. Yeah, everybody's laughing. Everybody saw I was doing this, right? So I've tried all different ways. So this is just that other way that's giving it more effective, and I love it. So do I want to try it 1,000%? Why? Because it's called a garden.

1:48:12SpeakerI've been growing in there for like 15 years. Do you think like I've cleaned it, it's blue skinned, everything like that. So another tool to add into your garden is essential for you to help to continue with your growth. Right. I mean, I got a plan at the bottom of my stairs right now growing outside. Right. So I keep moving it around. It's compatriot. I'm just fucking around with it.

1:48:36SpeakerI don't know what I'm doing with it. The other one's gone. So another one to another place. So I'm kind of getting my strains out there so people have them and then I'm getting rewarded. It's coming back. Right. So that's that's the rewards. And we got one plant that went outside and it's kind of like, remember like what Ryan said. I mean, these are beading projects that go for years and years.

1:48:57SpeakerWe keep running different parts of it. Like I had 126 seeds. We pulled like one or two out of it. It's been years now that we need to see how it's going to perform over the next little bit and see what comes out in five years. I love that because it's not something that everything takes time to see what's going to be best suited for what you're looking for.

1:49:16SpeakerAnd if you're not going to put it through the test and understand it and learn from the tools that we got so we can continue doing what we're doing, it's fucking awesome. I'm excited to get 50% of the time.

1:49:27Ryan Dank AfI mean, you'll see what those things if you do some sequencing experiments, you'll see. You don't want to use that stuff on mother plants. It's one thing to be putting it on production plants that are going through a system, but if you care about your genetics, you definitely want to do everything you can to minimize mutations.

1:49:45BubblemanWe'd love to do that if we can set that up. If you can help us, point us in the right direction or even be involved.

1:49:52Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, you want to, I mean, if he really wants to be serious about it, we could probably even put the light in an academic institution and then... Of course, we have it in one already, but we would absolutely love to have it in more.

1:50:03BubblemanAbsolutely, we would love to.

1:50:05Ryan Dank AfWe'd put it in a licensed lab that does sequencing and then they'd just run some trials with it and do a paper. So he'll have to pay for the use of the lab or whatever, but that's the kind of data that you want, right? Absolutely, yeah. Because it's, you know, like for plants that don't, you know, that aren't destined to become a cell line, right? That's what we're doing with mother plants is those plants are, they're cell lines, right?

1:50:31Ryan Dank AfSo as the cells divide, Thank you so much for joining us.

1:50:50SpeakerBut what you don't want to do is be mutating important genes in the cell line so that future... Yeah, and it'd be nice to have that information because then you could write an SOP that says, all right, use the predators in your production outfit, but in your mother room, use your traditional IPM practice.

1:51:06Ryan Dank AfYeah. And they do... I've seen these things like this, you know, in Austria... The, the law is vegetative plants are legal. Flowering plants are not legal. So there's clone shops and they, these guys have set up early grows and warehouse. He kind of grows with probably not the best environments and they roll out those UVC. They have like them on like not brooms, but like broomsticks. And that way you can read.

1:51:34Ryan Dank AfYeah. And they, they move it by hand. And then there's some that have these like You know, it's kind of like a bot robot with arms that fold out and they can go over the canopy and that kind of stuff. So, yeah. That's a bit of a pain in the ass. And if you ask me, I think stationary probably.

1:51:53SpeakerYeah, right. Yeah. Just hanging them and leave them and put it on a timer is kind of how we recommend doing it. And they're also IP 66 rated too. So it's not like it, it doesn't have to replace, it doesn't take away your ability to spray. If you had like a giant outbreak, obviously spray, get the knockdown, but then use the UVC as another tool.

1:52:13Ryan Dank AfDid you put a picture of one up on the screen, Marcus?

1:52:15SpeakerDo you, do you have one?

1:52:17BubblemanYeah, I can put one up. They're very, like five Watts. They're Yeah, it's only powerful.

1:52:22SpeakerWell, it's five watts per bar, two bars per like five by five. So up to five by five.

1:52:26BubblemanAre you going to put it up there, Spartan, or do you want me to?

1:52:29SpeakerI can pull it up if you'd like.

1:52:31BubblemanLet me do that. ATN had just requested that everyone can share. So I believe everyone can share.

1:52:38Ryan Dank AfThank you for watching.

1:52:56SpeakerIt's such a great design. I was so impressed with the design when I saw it for the first time. How it's kind of modular in a way.

1:53:04BubblemanWhile you're looking, I found it.

1:53:07Etienne FontanThis is the actual newspaper article from 93. And there I am behind Elvie with my Saints hat on backwards. That is awesome, dude.

1:53:21Etienne FontanYeah, a woman who legally was allowed to smoke marijuana for medical reasons was refused entry to Canada Wednesday after she tried to cross BC's Pacific Highway border crossing with her two-day supply of her quote-unquote medicine. Yeah, so there it is.

1:53:37BubblemanThey got her age right there. They got her age, 48.

1:53:40Etienne FontanThey got her right there, but for some reason, the Canadian Broadcasting Network on the radio was saying she was 90. You know, and she was pissed. So just so people are aware, this is what a legal tin, this is one of LV's legal tins. That's what it looks like, that they would ship 300 joints in. Well, that's just stuff in there. But that's what that comes in.

1:54:04Etienne FontanBut For posterity's sake, this one is the, this one goes in the museum. This is Robert Randall's tin number one from October of 1976. I was able to get this from his widow. And so initially this was to Robert Randall, who was patient zero, who sued the government. And it was given to his doctor, see, 10-776.

1:54:34Ryan Dank AfWas that one tarnished as well like the other one or is that one painted?

1:54:38Etienne FontanThis one is just, it's just, it's just, one, check it out. The original tin is smaller.

1:54:46Ryan Dank AfOkay.

1:54:48Etienne FontanSo they rolled it. I got this from Alice O'Leary Randall, his widow, and she told me that initially the doctor took the cannabis out of the tin. It comes with a...

1:55:04Ryan Dank AfIt's too bad David's not here because he's got this whole set of information about the rolling machine that made the joints.

1:55:11Etienne FontanAll-mall rolling machine. So, yeah, this was... She said initially the tin was given to the doctor and the doctor took the cannabis out of the tins and put them into a pill bottle. And then when he was down to the last hundred, he was given this tin. So this is... Pin number one. And so whenever there's a museum in the North America for cannabis, this one is definitely going in that museum because that is a historical object.

1:55:42SpeakerSomeone needs to market a tin. The pre-roll is back in tins. We'll go to the historic roll. We can do it better than the government. Come on, guys. Let's do it.

1:55:54Etienne FontanOh, the cannabis inside of it's terrible, but the austerity of the cannabis, the tin itself, this is significant because you have to understand people, he had to sue the government to win that right for them to have that terrible cannabis.

1:56:09BubblemanWe'll get back to it, but Dave said it's a Bonzac rolling machine. He's in the chat, actually. He's not feeling good right now, so he's in bed, but he is in the YouTube chat if you want to talk to him there. Oh, and Thomas is coming in, too. He probably wants to share some stuff on the UBC Live.

1:56:27SpeakerAre you able to see the tarantula predator right now? Yes, we can see it clearly. Okay, because it wasn't showing for me. That's weird. But this is the predator light in a nutshell, what it looks like. And there's these little five watt bars. You hang two of these and you space them however you like underneath to cover your up to five by five area. And see these little clips underneath these little plastic.

1:56:48SpeakerCan I blow that up? I can. Where'd it go? Here it is. See these little plastic clips underneath? So there's these metal bars that hang off of the aircraft cable that click into that. So that allows this whole thing to just swivel on it. So you can swivel 360 degrees with it. And if you wanted to, you could go in there and make micro adjustments every day if you really wanted to go to that level of...

1:57:13SpeakerLike targeting a certain area under canopy or something like that.

1:57:19Ryan Dank AfIt would be cool if that was motorized and you could actually just, it could turn itself.

1:57:24SpeakerOh, dude, that would be cool as hell. We'll get to tell Thomas. We'll get him on it.

1:57:28BubblemanNot impossible. Oh, now Sam's making his way. Oh, it's actually totally very doable.

1:57:34Ryan Dank AfHow's it going, guys?

1:57:35GmlOh, my God, dude, is that your yard? Yeah, these are my raspberry beds that we're decommissioning. I didn't have any experience growing raspberries and you do not want to grow them in beds because they'll take up every last square inch. And we have like, we have 23 varieties with thousands of canes of every single variety. So we're going to, we're decommissioning some of these beds.

1:58:00BubblemanI was going to say, where's your machine? There it is.

1:58:04GmlThere it is. Yeah, I'm having a lot of fun. I just haven't been on a 135 in a bit. But yeah, so one thing I just wanted to touch, I heard you guys talking about thrips and the first thing, About thrips is, yeah, they do go into the soil, but for whatever reason, when using the predators for 15 minutes at a time, they just can't withstand it.

1:58:23GmlAnd in like, I'm going to say 99% of cases within seven days, they're completely gone. Like the adults just leave. I thought at first it was making them so that they can't reproduce. But for whatever reason, the pressure will obviously in time All of these people have the science behind it, but they just can't, they just can't withstand it. And the other thing I wanted to talk about, well, UVC goes from 100 to 280 nanometers.

1:58:46GmlSo there's a huge, that's a huge difference then. Well, there's a lot of different wavelengths and definitely UVC in the, like just above a hundred can be, you know, it could break down anything. I could break down the plastic of anything basically, or anything. We have people using them with mothers and their clones are totally fine and they haven't had anything Negative in any of their COAs.

1:59:10Ryan Dank AfYou can't measure that DNA mutation by saying that they're fine and looking at the plants. That has to be measured by sequencing.

1:59:15GmlNo, I'm just going by the COAs of the clones that have grown underneath it, that there's nothing negative noticed. If anything, it's been positive because people have been using them to also enhance THC. UVC has a way higher efficacy than UVB or UVA for stressing out a plant. And that's what like what people use supplemental UVA, et cetera. But I agree. Well, there's lots of.

1:59:40BubblemanTamara was mentioning. Go ahead, Thomas.

1:59:44GmlOh, I was just going to say, like, like I said, we I think that there's a lot of really bad information about there. And a lot of like I said, we went I found an abandoned patent. And went down the path and found that people faked research and lied about everything. And it put us down. It really slowed us down like almost half a year because we were afraid to use the UVC light longer than five minutes.

2:00:05GmlIt was only until that we tried to THC that this actually happened. And we accidentally got rid of thrips and realized, oh, that they can handle a lot more. And also that different types of cultivars can take different amounts of UVC. And also different cultivars also, yeah, like obviously the more roots that they have, the more that they can take, but it was weird how some are way more sensitive than others.

2:00:33GmlBut I believe that there's a lot of bad data on it. I think in a couple of years, every single commercial grow will be using it because it just gives you such an advantage over spraying pesticides, even to be like for spider mites, even to be able to weaken them and slow their spread by over 90% and making it, you know, 10 times easier to beat. It's life-changing.

2:00:54GmlLike the three biggest pests are probably fungus gnats, spider mites, and thrips. And it's extremely effective on all three of them.

2:01:01Ryan Dank AfYeah. I'm not saying you're wrong about any of that stuff. But what I'm saying is something completely different. And it's that UVC is known to cause, it's a DNA mutagen. So... It causes mutations in cells when they divide. That's what's happening. Like all plant material, all human material, all like Thrip material, it's just cells dividing, right? And so if you're bombarding the information system that controls that cellular division, which is what DNA is, I agree with you, Ryan.

2:02:01GmlCould anything positive happen from it mutating in testing either? Dude, just curious.

2:02:05Ryan Dank AfYeah, like mutation is evolution, right? So absolutely, it leads to potential. However, like it's also a technique that we use like... It depends on the species usually. Like there's some species that are incredibly true breeding and they don't have a lot of homozygosity and genetic variability like cannabis does. So like there's sometimes where you actually do want to try to induce mutation, but we already know that cannabis has tons of genetic variability and there's some science that even shows that the plants are mutating anyway.

2:02:39Ryan Dank AfSo... You know, it becomes a matter of, or at least my opinion is that with materials that are becoming mother plants and donors to, you know, your production plants, I think that we probably, it's safe to say we want to minimize DNA mutation as much as possible.

2:02:55SpeakerI agree with you, Ryan.

2:02:56Ryan Dank AfYeah, especially for breeding.

2:03:00BubblemanYou were talking about doing a potential white paper at a university where you just do gene sequencing on the plants that you're exposing to the UVC. Someone else, Sam Seth, mentioned plants have lived under natural light Which has plenty of UV. Why is such a concern that UV is going to cause genetic mutation when they've adapted to those lengths?

2:03:20Ryan Dank AfThey haven't adapted and that's one of the drivers of DNA mutation, right? We know that this is not a controversial opinion. We know that UV causes DNA damage. That's why they tell you to put on sunscreen when you go out in the sun. Right, because these things are causing mutations in the cells in your skin that are constantly dividing and giving birth to new cells. And when a mutation randomly happens in a gene that is important, then, you know, that's irreversible, right?

2:03:53SpeakerAnd the accumulative effects is much worse. Well, in a production standpoint, also, is you're trying to get uniformity. You're not trying to get changes. You're trying to say, this is my selected cultivar. I just want to keep a mile amount of it. And I want to get that same result every time. Well, if you want that.

2:04:10Ryan Dank AfBut what Thomas is saying, and there may be some truth to this, because I've actually heard this from other groups that are using UVC as well, is that it alters cannabinoid expression. And that, again, you'd want to really test in a controlled scientific environment before you start making product claims about it.

2:04:25SpeakerRight, but you could be really safe by continuing to use your traditional IPM in your mother room, take clones off of those markers, and then use the UVC to push that cannabinoid result.

2:04:36Ryan Dank AfYeah, 100%. Like, don't take it like I'm giving you shit about the lamp. I'm not. Like, if they have that use and they're... No, I'm appreciating the conversation, man.

2:04:46SpeakerI'm not taking it that way at all.

2:04:47Ryan Dank AfYou know, I just wanted to be clear for Thomas and everyone. But yeah, you know, these are... It's the difference between production and genetic conservation. I mean, these clones that we keep alive, I mean, sour diesel, oh gee, how old are these plants? How old would they have been in one year of nature, right? Like these plants don't usually live longer than a year. And so like, you know, these important plants that are passed around and multiplied through thousands and thousands and thousands of cell divisions, right?

2:05:18Ryan Dank AfStuff starts accumulating mutations, right? And if they hit important genes, then it's, you know.

2:05:26BubblemanOh shit, I think Thomas's battery died. He just said that's why he bumped out of the room. He's going to try to come back in. I personally think what you're saying is the main concern I had when I first thought about it. I thought the exact same thing. Keep it away from genetics you're trying to preserve until you've done papers that show that Through gene sequencing that there is no damage whatsoever at those, because it's all about a threshold, right?

2:05:50BubblemanIt's like, well, where's the threshold? Is it at two minutes? Is it at five minutes? Is it at 27 minutes? I guarantee you, if you put these lights on for hours, they would kill your, they would almost kill your plants. You would notice your plants were being affected by them.

2:06:04Ryan Dank AfWell, you have to establish a baseline rate of mutation anyway for cannabis without the UVC, right? So like you really need to do a real study to figure it out. Yeah. So, but you've guaranteed it would.

2:06:16SpeakerI mean, that's what you'd be doing. And that's, you know, we're excited for those studies. We're working with a couple of universities right now that have our lights. But I guess we'll say the frustrating thing about studies is you have to wait for them, you know? And you know what I mean? That takes time to do those things. And it takes time to then write the results and then interpret the results.

2:06:34SpeakerAnd then if you want peer review, You know, it's another step. And we're hoping for all of that. Absolutely. But right now, we definitely don't have that. But we have, in testing ourselves, gotten such exciting results from it. I see that. Let's just share it. You know, let's get it out to people. And the science will catch up, hopefully. And it's not like... That's even a bad way of saying it because the science is already there about the effectiveness of UVC on pests if we're talking about pesticides.

2:07:04SpeakerWhat we're questioning is what is this effect on the plant now at these exposure rates at the five minutes of night?

2:07:10BubblemanYou know what, from my perspective, you also have to imagine like chimera is not like the majority of these people that are just like crossing seeds. The amount of time and energy and money that guys like Sam and chimera have put into their genetics, their seed growth, That material in an actual dollar value is like borderline priceless, but really worth millions of dollars. And you can't just go back and if you alter it in a drastic way, you can't just go back and fix that so easily.

2:07:40BubblemanSo he's coming from a very unique perspective. On the flip side, when you think of the amount of people that are spraying poisons on their plants and then selling it to people and those people are smoking Pylon and Avid and all these other fucking cancer causing things. There's no way that on the flip side, I can't see it as a really great thing. I hear Ryan so loud and clear.

2:07:59BubblemanAnd I got to admit, like from my protective mother batch, that genetic lineage, I might not mess around until I saw the science. But in the meantime, my crops, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:08:28BubblemanLearning Skunk Man, Sam, Static Tech, and Rosin. Those were the two things that I would compare to this light in regards to how much it could help the, I mean, I get that, you know, yes, it could help the big guy, the big commercial growers, it can help them, but how much it can help the little guy, the little guy who's just trying to grow some plants in a tent, but then bugs come along and devastate everything or You know, that's another sort of flip side to the, yes, you want to wait for the science for certain aspects.

2:08:57BubblemanIn the meantime, I'm not even thinking twice and throwing a couple of those into my tents.

2:09:02Ryan Dank AfAbsolutely. And I'm not saying not to do that. No, but you're not. But if they, you know, it seems to me that the argument is, and I hope, I would assume that this is actually how it is, that the dose of UV is strong enough that the bugs aren't just bugging out, they're dying. Right? They're like, they're not able to, because they're getting accumulated mutations.

2:09:25BubblemanHe's got a video of aphids jumping for their lives off of this plant.

2:09:30Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, they're probably like, get the fuck out of here.

2:09:33GmlIt's lethal, right? I agree with what Ryan is saying, actually. And like, I do think that there obviously needs to be some testing. It also has the potential to take genetics further. Like I said, mutation is evolution. So like being able to test things like that, I think are also... It'd be interesting to see.

2:09:50Ryan Dank AfYeah.

2:09:51SpeakerWell, there's basically a big difference between using it on material that you're producing to sell or make hash with and mother clones that you're then going to use this on, copy them, use it again on the copies, then keep doing that for years and the cumulative effects could be disastrous.

2:10:21GmlYeah. I think having them in like an entrance of a building, like wherever you're built, like say you have an entrance and that being running in the middle of night. So if any insects do get in, you have the potential to really affect the reproducing capabilities is another really big edge. There's a lot of different things. And obviously people implemented in all different types of HVAC systems already for killing mold.

2:10:43GmlSo just having them in your room on is obviously going to help with microbials and mold.

2:10:48Ryan Dank AfRight. But how about the customer that hadn't seen... Just to say, like, the reason that those things are unsealed, you know, like, I think that's probably what you'll have an issue with is in getting it licensed for public release is exposure, right? Because we have to remember, it's like, unfortunately, when you release products, you have to make them safe for the stupidest among us, right? Some people will plug those fucking things in and just leave them going.

2:11:11Ryan Dank AfBut the reason that they work... Yeah. It's because the dose of the UV is high enough that it's causing mutations. And if it's causing mutations in those other organizms, guaranteed it's happening in the plant state.

2:11:24GmlYeah. Well, the second you get above like a couple of watts, It's not safe for humans and pets by like, even though it technically is as long as you're like a certain distance away, but people treat it real, you know, well, like in Canada, like in the United States, we're allowed to sell it in Canada. We're not, we're having to develop new technology. That's really stupid. Like sticking your hand in a blender can be dangerous too.

2:11:47GmlYou know what I mean? But it's like just sticking your hand in a blender is just equally just as dangerous. Like if you can't follow that directions, then like you can't.

2:11:55BubblemanBlender will definitely fuck up your hand.

2:11:58Ryan Dank AfYeah, how many people don't make a product, instructions of a product?

2:12:04GmlWe had some pretty serious guidelines with the EPA just on how we had to, like we had to follow all the guidelines on just how we made the label and what we've had to say with it and everything. And yeah, we understand we have I understand the liability and I agree there's definitely a lot of stuff to be pushed forward. It's definitely on the higher side of the wavelength.

2:12:26BubblemanThere's so much interesting science that could be done with this. Someone in the chat just mentioned, let's try the light on bee parasites. Imagine if you could find a frequency or a layer of, so it was not so intense to affect the bee, but it destroyed those fucking parasites that feed off of them that are killing colonies all around the world. It's just neat that the different, yeah, the mites, exactly.

2:12:52BubblemanMore mites. It's always fucking mites, isn't it?

2:12:55SpeakerDamn mites.

2:12:58SpeakerEither that or it'll make the mic stronger. Yeah, well, shit. That would be the first organizm the UVC made stronger, though, I think. So, but they would be the ones, those little bastards.

2:13:12GmlYou know, I, we're really careful how, how effective we say it is on everything else. Like I, I like to say that it's the care for thrips. It truly is. Like, and I know thrips aren't a big issue for a lot of people, but some people, like I've seen people's facilities that are plagued when they have these cycles and they just, you know what I mean? They're really hard to beat when you're constantly have something going and it's, it's been life-changing for people like that.

2:13:34GmlI've,

2:13:35BubblemanWhat about the exposure to those poisons, Thomas? You and I went to a monster fucking grow recently and they were spraying lots of pylon. I could smell it in the air and I felt like the people working in those plants. What about the exposure to those toxic chemicals that they're just in the room with like 24-7?

2:13:52SpeakerThat's why you use IPM. Use IPM.

2:13:58BubblemanRight.

2:13:59GmlYeah, like I said, the only real... Predator bugs that I think if you're using like our actual UVC is like hypoacus or like rogue beetles. Both of them are almost indestructible and they protect your soil. Even though it's like extremely effective against root aphids and it draws flying ones, like root aphids can stay in your soil the whole time and never even come out. And so they are like the cancer, like they're one of the toughest things to beat in my opinion.

2:14:27GmlLike there isn't really that great of a solution for them or they're just really tough. Once you get them, you're pretty much screwed.

2:14:35GmlI'm able to get rid of thrips easy.

2:14:39BubblemanYou're Skunk Man Sam.

2:14:42GmlSo am I. Do you know what? With Neem, like when I was allowed to use like Neem and stuff like that, like back in the day when I used Asimax, obviously I haven't used that stuff in years. To be quite honest, like as long as I was doing thorough sprays, like I was able to wipe them out pretty effectively. And it's like, do you know what kind of got me down?

2:14:59GmlLike we got into experimenting with all different types of predator bugs and Like I started getting, like I'm trying to beat thrips and I was getting, I was using, what are they called? Well, a Swirsky and there's another one. And I was also using that pirate bug. I forget what the official name is, but, and I was using four times the amount that they were telling me the rec that I needed and I still couldn't beat them.

2:15:20GmlAnd it's like frustrating for me, not being able to use so many and not be able to beat them.

2:15:25SpeakerThe only pest I was unable to get rid of was spider mites. Every other pest I could prevent and eliminate once I had them.

2:15:38Ryan Dank AfYeah, thrips are really easy to knock down. I mean, pretty much even like potassium salts will take care of the adults. The problem is that they... They breed on the plant and then they pupate in the soil. So if you don't target most stages of their life cycle at the same time, then you can't.

2:16:01SpeakerThe other thing they do is if you have a greenhouse facility that has open windows, they come in to there. Unless they're screened really, really, really tightly.

2:16:13Ryan Dank AfYeah. And the other, the other real pain in the ass thing about thrips is that they're called parthenogenic, which means that by the time that the babies are born, they're already carrying the next generation. They can enter this phase of life where they clone themselves. So you don't even need to find, yeah, you don't even need like a male and a female to find each other. Every one is like a cyborg program to just.

2:16:37SpeakerThey're more like parenagdaline.

2:16:40Ryan Dank AfYeah, right.

2:16:42GmlIt's confusing how we can beat them so easily without having to target the soil or the medium. Because like that, so many people have come back to me and saying, scope the soil, scope the soil. And I have. And it doesn't seem to matter for whatever reason. After seven days of using these things for a certain amount of time, it's like it knocks out every stage of them and we just can't find them.

2:17:02GmlIt's like they leave the room.

2:17:04BubblemanWell, it also seems to attract them, which is definitely like a lot of like I read a bunch of the stuff on the UVC. And one of the things that it said was that it doesn't have the ability to penetrate the canopy, that it has a weak penetration. And I was like, well, that's fuck. I saw this on like three foot tall plants over at Thomas's and they were killing plants from the top or bugs from the top to the bottom.

2:17:30BubblemanWell, yeah, these things, no matter how short the period that they're on for, they seem to attract the bugs when they are on.

2:17:37GmlFive minutes. Oh, sorry. I was going to say when we're using them for five minutes, like we had 97 to 98% protection and I was afraid to use them anymore because of other people's data and research. And it's like, but even at five minutes, like it was giving them what I would consider immunity, but we could still find them. What was crazy is I have this one video where I found 12 adult thrips on one leaf.

2:18:02GmlI've never seen that in my life. And they were all like, they were just sitting there confused. And it's like, uh, It was weird because at five minutes it was putting them almost in like I would say like a zombie state where they're still alive and kicking but confused and not doing what they should normally be doing and then it's like we accidentally beat them by trying to stress the plant out and then it's from that point on it's like it's been we I think it's been about 20 months now where it's like uh like we can conclusively just beat them

2:18:33BubblemanI do like that you always put them from the underside up. I just thought like UVC-ing the fresh growth sites was like pushing it. I wasn't sure, like I just, my mind was like, no, no, just like when you told me, no, no, we're putting them underneath and I can turn them and move them. And I thought, okay, that seems pretty sensible.

2:18:53SpeakerI want to talk about how you mentioned that you say that you have, like, hypothesizers say that it might anticipate creating more THC or you're getting more resin. Is that what you're saying about this light? What I want to comment on is I use something that's called the wizard wand. So it's the UVC and I used to go over my plants with it all the time. I used to say it used to give me more, more THC.

2:19:16SpeakerI used to always get more resin off of the plants that you see use this light on. I used to do this for a while. So it's, it's, it's, it's like you said, it's been around and I love how you have it on a canopy underneath now and stuff like that. So I'm just thinking outside right now is, is that, is there any research on that?

2:19:35GmlWell, that is something that we're working with the university where we're going to be pushing the limits because when we had a timer actually fail, this is when we discovered, oh shit, like we could kill our plants by this because it goes, like it literally goes into the stem and will go through the whole damn plant. And I definitely believe that there's a threshold. Like right now, people like to use supplemental UVB is like, in my opinion, the biggest gain to hit a higher THC and higher terpenes.

2:20:00GmlAnd people use it from like one hour to two hour. And when they're usually using 30 watts supplemental and they're using this for usually the last three or four weeks, I've seen multiple side by sides where it's UVA. versus UVB and there's just no question about it the efficacy is so much higher with UVB well UVC is going to have a much higher efficacy so it's just about finding that special number as do we have to put it on with you with UVB it's not the entire wavelength it's only partial part of the wavelength that's effective

2:20:32SpeakerSo really looking at different light recipes, even with bugs are in all different ways. It's really narrowing on these light recipes and intervals of time. It's really, we're seeing that. That's cool. Cool. So it's, you know, it's new research. And I love this as we're talking, like now thinking, of what I'm seeing and what you're talking about and then really getting down at the different light recipes even maybe even for thrips or for for for mugs is there a sort of like a recipe or are you just targeting like within certain you know is it 250 what what's the well we don't actually disclose the actual wavelength

2:21:06GmlThank you so much for joining us today.

2:21:35GmlIt's going to enhance the THC in terpenes. There's just no question about it. Like UVB, I highly recommend people to use it.

2:21:45SpeakerIf you use UVB, you don't want to use the entire wavelength because it doesn't help. What you have to use is, if I remember correctly, was 360, right in that range. That was extremely helpful, whereas the other ones, you know, you could use 10 times as much and it didn't help hardly at all.

2:22:10BubblemanDidn't Dutch Innovation just do a white paper on UVB? I thought I saw Jer post that recently about terpene increase or something.

2:22:20SpeakerHe was talking about it. And also, too, where I saw this was a presentation at Green Tech about five years ago. I don't remember the name of the guy. I can look it up and find it. I've got it in my bibliography. And He absolutely was increasing even more than the THC was the terpene productions. And berry growers in the United States are also finding the same thing, results.

2:22:55SpeakerThey're using either plastic hoop casas, which transmit the UVB that was beneficial, I'm pretty sure that it does. It does end at 315 and then it goes from 315 to 400 is the UVA.

2:23:20GmlBut yeah, there's all different types of diodes.

2:23:24SpeakerI don't remember the exact wavelengths. I just remember that only about 10, 20% of the UBV wavelength was causing the benefits. All the rest of it was just a waste of time.

2:23:40GmlTwo years ago, when we started, we started to develop, like actually out of anything that we ever did, we spent more time developing it under canopy light. And besides that was a UVB, UVA fluorescent bar, because we were trying to get it certified and we were just struggling to do it. And it was too, like the cost of UVB diodes was just so expensive that it didn't make sense.

2:24:00GmlIt wasn't really possible for us to do. And then, but in the last two years, the price has come down and technology changes. And now it's totally doable to do with diodes. Where you could like, cause they just put out like a lot of people had made them with diodes, but it's like super deceiving. If you say I've got a UVB UVA light, but really only two and a half percent or 3% of the output is UVB.

2:24:21GmlYeah.

2:24:22SpeakerThe name of the researcher was Peter Barber. Okay. Here we go.

2:24:29BubblemanI don't know about everyone else in hash church, but I want a copy of Sam's bibliography. Holy shit.

2:24:38SpeakerIf you send me an email, which you can't do because I don't want to give it out publicly, then I'm happy to send it to anybody that wants it. It was a paper. I wish I could remember. It was... By Peter Barber, and it was called The Next Evolution in Horticulture Lighting, The Impact of Using Supplemental UVB. And it was June the 12th, 2018 at the Green Tech in the Rye in Amsterdam.

2:25:24SpeakerYou might be able to find, I'm pretty sure it's on the internet also.

2:25:30BubblemanBeautiful. Give thanks. Thanks for showing up, by the way. I know you're not feeling that good right now, so I appreciate you making time and showing. I was thinking, if he's listening, he's not going to be able to help himself. He's going to have to come in and chime in and tell us stuff.

2:25:45SpeakerWell, what really attracted me was all the asshole talk. You know, I just had to see it.

2:25:51BubblemanI knew it. I knew it.

2:25:57BubblemanOh, my God. That's funny. Oh my goodness.

2:26:01Ryan Dank AfNext week on Hash Church.

2:26:04BubblemanYes, next week on Hash Church. Exactly. I have a few shows planned. I've been trying to get some peep together, but Christmas and holidays and everything, it's been slow going. Still want to do the aromatic volatile one where we're going to invite Jeremy Plum and Nick Ziegler and the two colleagues of his that put the equipment together to be able to sniff at one trillionth, all of these sorts of things.

2:26:30BubblemanWho else was going to be on that show? I'm forgetting a lot of people. Anyway, there's two or three. There's a traditional hash show that I'm working on right now. There's like a PhD show that I'm working on right now with a bunch of brilliant people. And hopefully all those shows will come to fruition and we'll be able to get out in the new year. I definitely have plans on doing Hash Church every single week of next year.

2:26:53BubblemanSo we've done 20 weeks so far this year in a row and we'll keep doing it. In the new year, in 2025.

2:27:03SpeakerI just want to, for one, thank you for that, Bubba, man. Man, I've watched you from the early days of my growing until and still watching you today and then being able to meet you and hang out with you. I just want to thank you for always putting the knowledge out there for free. That was the biggest thing that made you stand out. There were others doing it, but not like you, man.

2:27:20SpeakerNot like the top tier knowledge and making it free for the little guy, man. That was awesome. So thank you for that.

2:27:29BubblemanYeah, happy to be a part of your journey, bro. Happy to be a part of your journey. Yeah, it's just a nice community we have.

2:27:38SpeakerI put in this Luma type grow GTP I created and it's asked, what is the best UV rating for killing bugs? It went right down the rabbit hole, of course. It told you the DNA while testing targeting bugs, rating at 254 nanometers is used commercially for these applications, intensify exposure bugs for UVC effectively. So I just put that into the chat and you guys can ask us some questions and really go down the rabbit hole and ask it about different Different UV ratings and stuff like that.

2:28:06SpeakerWhat these can do and really we can start educating and learning all this cool stuff.

2:28:13BubblemanI was talking to Dr. David Allen the other day and I asked it to write like a kind of a, not a resume, but like a breakdown on who he is and the work that he's done. And he was pretty tripped out. I mean, it said that he was born in British Columbia, which was totally false. And it had maybe about 10 or 11 other complete and total absolute mistakes.

2:28:34BubblemanBut in like, you know, this long page, he was like, it knew about his research. It knew about what hospitals he worked at. It knew about like he was a thoracic cardiac heart surgeon. It knew it knew quite a bit of stuff, but there are still mistakes. So make sure when you do ask chat GPT things that you research the results that you get and don't think that it's the word of God.

2:28:56BubblemanThat's what I would say about the AI right now. It's amazing.

2:29:00SpeakerDon't get me wrong, but it makes mistakes. It 100% makes mistakes and that's how it actually learns. And you have to learn how to use chat GTP.

2:29:08BubblemanThat's how I learned too.

2:29:10SpeakerRight? That's how we all learn. Making mistakes.

2:29:12BubblemanMaking mistakes.

2:29:13SpeakerAnd really understanding how to use the super intelligence. And that's what it really is. It just reflects and helps you. So it's like I always say, it's learning how to use a tool. We all had to learn how to grow. We all learn different things, learning different lights, everything like that. This is all we're doing. We're learning these new tools. So there's just some new cool tools helping us learn the new tools that we'll be learning together and be able to take it to that next level.

2:29:37SpeakerSo it's super cool, guys. I just, you know, like. Now I have my clone talking to other clones and now it's getting like, wow. It's like, yeah, I know. It's just like, my clone talking with another clone, like James and all these different clones that are being created right now. And it's like, now you're like, shit, I would never thought, whoa. Now you're like, it's using- Have your clones talk to each other and decide who wants to breed with who instead of you making the decision.

2:30:01SpeakerHow cool would that be?

2:30:03BubblemanHe's talking about his chat GPT clone, which is like himself. That's not himself. That's talking to the same way you would ask chat GPT. Yes, he is the clone self. Exactly. So he's not quite talking about his cuttings.

2:30:19SpeakerI thought you were talking about clones.

2:30:21BubblemanI know you did. That was awesome.

2:30:22SpeakerI know you did.

2:30:24GmlHe could assign each chat GDP to a clone and all the characteristics and get them talking about who do you like that. He could do that in a way. It's kind of funny. That was funny though.

2:30:37BubblemanIt's called the Mike Risesphere.

2:30:41SpeakerWe had Mike Clone and Ryan Clone talking about these subjects and it went really down. It was really cool because when you get a super intelligence and then actually when they're talking back and forth, it's kind of like... It's going to be the next level, really. 2025 is going to be really mind-blowing for the industry to really grow forward. It's going to be exciting to see how we're able to take it to that, into the future where we're going, right?

2:31:07SpeakerThat's what we're all doing here. It's going to be a lot of fun. We can create what we'll see.

2:31:11BubblemanWait until we figure out that there is no future or past and that there's only the moment that we're in right now. That's when anxiety and stress is going to relieve us all. Tomorrow never comes. It turns into today.

2:31:26SpeakerIt's always today. It's we live in the now, right? That's it, brother. Speaking of that, leaving the now, I got to go hang out with the girlfriend and we're going to have some good holiday times. So thank you so much for the invitation. It was a great time and it's awesome hanging with all you guys.

2:31:47Ryan Dank AfKeep up the heavy metal, man.

2:31:49SpeakerHell yeah. Rock on, everybody. Keep growing.

2:31:54BubblemanPeace. Thanks for coming out, brother. Appreciate it.

2:31:59BubblemanThomas with the dual devil's horns. I had to rock on.

2:32:04GmlI had to give him the rock on, man.

2:32:07BubblemanHey, your dog's licking your other dog's ass. Just pointing that out. It's been hash church, ash church, so. That other dog's really there for it too.

2:32:16Ryan Dank AfHe's like, I'm going to stick around for this.

2:32:19BubblemanYeah, absolutely. Two females. Dogs are awesome. Dogs are awesome. Oh, lesbian muff divers. We were talking about them earlier. Right? Yep, we were. The band. You missed it, Thomas. It was a funny story, but it involved lesbian moth divers and Elvie Musica with her federally legal DEA-approved cannabis at the Canadian border. That's the kind of shit we talk about here on Hash Church.

2:32:45Ryan Dank AfThat sounds appropriate. Welcome to all those joining late today.

2:32:52Etienne FontanAnd we also talked about Marcus showing his bum to his bung. Pardon me.

2:32:56GmlI actually caught that. I caught that. I caught that story. The guard got mad. You know, it's about the only way you can get away with doing that. That was funny.

2:33:08GmlThat's awesome.

2:33:10BubblemanSorry, I'm just trying to reply to people who have just now heard about the, some of my family members have just now heard about the mudslide that killed two people here at Lions Bay. And they're asking me if I'm okay. They're like, isn't that where you live? And I'm like, yes, that is absolutely where I live. And sometimes life is dangerous.

2:33:29SpeakerWhat are you going to do? Well, you know, walking out the door can be dangerous.

2:33:37BubblemanAnd in this instance, not walking out the door can be dangerous because they were killed in their home in a landslide. So both sides.

2:33:49SpeakerThat's crazy. Different parts of the world where there's wars and there's bombs being dropped on people. So, I mean, we don't even know what's going to happen in life, right? So it's really, it's being grateful what we have and where we are and living in the grace of what's being created for us at this moment. And that's what we get to do here every day is really look towards what our future is, what we can see.

2:34:10Speakerand appreciate how far we've come as a group and as a community it's pretty awesome how we meet here and be doing this very it feels like decades mark really does you know well it's been one decade so that it is a decade that quality and it and once we get into the second decade We're in the second day. It's happening. You know, it's going to be, it's going to be, uh, you know, it's, it's really with, with me and I would be created as a community and the community keeps growing forward and with new people and with new, um, new voices, new governments, new changes, world legalization.

2:34:47SpeakerA hundred percent. You're going down to the U S and be able to promote your brand. And awesome. I mean, and then the world's opening up and what we're able to do is, um,

2:34:59SpeakerSomething we're creating as a community. So go out there and do it. You know, just plant your seed because only you can plant your own seed. And that's what we'll be doing is everybody's planting seeds and going back and finding these new technologies that are old technologies that are being revisited and then revamped. And that's what we can do. And it's the future is pretty fucking awesome.

2:35:25SpeakerI don't know, I'm playing with GTPs right now and just the research that I'm finding and I'm able to actually really get into its next level for us. So really embrace it and have fun with it. I look forward to seeing what everybody's going to start doing in 2025.

2:35:41BubblemanWell, I hope, I hope what people start to do more in 2025, not to take away from chat GPT and AI and social media. I hope people connect more with real people and just have a conversation with someone. I was so happy when, when Ryan went over and was hanging out with Johnny B. I was Thank you so much for joining us.

2:36:20BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:36:40BubblemanOffer your support to people. I know Johnny B does it endlessly. He's one of the people that inspired me to do it endlessly. He's very good at helping people. He was with a guy the other day that I have I am not able. I couldn't even be on the phone with John while this guy was talking in the background. That's how obnoxious I found him to be.

2:37:00BubblemanAnd then John phones me back. He's like, oh, sorry about that. You know, he's a good guy. And I just want to just give him love. And I'm just like, I'm like, dude, once again, Johnny B teaching me lessons on my own inability to sometimes be empathetic. And I appreciate you for that, John. You've always been the one to show me the way of empathy.

2:37:20SpeakerWell, I appreciate everybody here. And that's what we get to do is just live our journey because everybody's on their own journey. Right? Who's who? It's everybody has their own team. Right? We're not bosses. We're not managers. We're leaders, leading leaders. I say it every day, right? Lead your life and then support the ones that are leading their journey. And you can be a part of that journey.

2:37:39SpeakerChoose your team. Right?

2:37:42BubblemanYou do, you know, I will say that you get to be, you know, You can help people in their life or you can choose to not be a help. And for me, that came in the form of a friend of mine who had started taking macro photography and I really wanted to learn about it, but it was unattainable for me. I couldn't catch it. So this guy, his name was Jason King.

2:38:07BubblemanHe wrote a book called The Cannabible and I hit him up and he had been a friend. He'd stayed at my house and I helped shout him out as many times. And I was kind of like, you know, I was like, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:38:46BubblemanInsane. The machine was a million or two million dollars or something. But he had taken these amazing trichome shots and I had purchased one of those shots for one of my original ads. I bought the shot. The whole picture was mine. It was 800 guilders, I believe I paid him. And so that was kind of my first inspiration. It was. I felt like it was, you know, it was the one that I had the guys crawling up the trichome with the bubble bags on their back and they were ice picking the head and filling the bags and sending them down the trichome.

2:39:15BubblemanThat was the first bubble bag ad back in like 2000 or 99 in cannabis culture. And so, you know, he, you was my first inspiration, but it was clearly unattainable. Next was Jason. The shots weren't quite on the same level, but it gave me hope. So I hit Jason up and I say, Hey, can you show me how to take macro photography? I'd be, I'd be forever grateful.

2:39:37BubblemanAnd he said to me, Yeah, as soon as you show me how to manufacture bubble bags in Nepal and sell them worldwide through the web. And he said it kind of just like that. And I was like, huh?

2:39:52SpeakerWhat?

2:39:52BubblemanI thought he was joking. I didn't understand. But then he like said it more aggressively and more mean and more nasty. And I was like, oh. Okay. Sorry, dude. Fuck. I wasn't even thinking that that would be somehow taking, I guess, food off of your plate. I apologize. So then another gentleman who went by the name, perhaps your giddy aunt, as well as another guy by the name of Monkey.

2:40:19BubblemanMonkey was the guy on IC Mag that would order all the eggs of the praying mantises. And then he'd take these amazing macro photographs of these different insects. And he got into taking macro cannabis shots. And it was perhaps who helped tell me what lens to buy. And it was Monkey who literally was like, oh, dude, let me tell you all of the settings from your f-stop to your ISO.

2:40:42BubblemanI'll tell you every setting you want to put that camera on. That'll be a nice middle ground for you. And then you can kind of go back and forth in each setting and find your sweet spot. And I was just like, whoa. So to this day, when I tell that story, out of those three people, perhaps your giddy aunt, Monkey, and Jason King, How do you think they feel when I tell this story?

2:41:03BubblemanThey made their choices on how, because I became a fairly prolific macro photographer. I sold images to National Geographic. I was published in most cannabis magazines that existed. And for a short period of time, I existed in a world of my own when it came to macro photography. And because of those two guys, in fact, no, because of those three guys, probably Jason more than the two that helped me, I always helped anyone that reached out to me in regards to macro photography.

2:41:30BubblemanI told them the settings. I told them the lens to buy. I told them about billows. I told them about reversals. I told them everything that I knew and that I learned because and what happened? Well, now I'm at the bottom of the macro photography quality photographers and these younger guys. Thank you so much for joining us today.

2:42:16BubblemanMy two cents.

2:42:18SpeakerThat's how we've gotten everything around us was created out of someone else's thought. That's it.

2:42:25Ryan Dank AfWell, Sam, you've been saying this for years. We stand on the shoulders of giants, right?

2:42:31BubblemanThat's it. Don't be afraid to be a giant and let someone stand on your shoulders. If you're a giant, you should be so stoked. Please, giant, speak.

2:42:40SpeakerMarcus, I just sent you to your email the copy of Peter Barber's. I tried to post it, share it with you guys, but I'm an idiot. So, but I sent it to your email, Bubble Man.

2:42:55BubblemanYou're not an idiot. You're a giant doing giant things. And you just showed the room that you're doing giant things. So thank you. Thank you for being a giant. And thank you for having such shoulders because there's a lot of us on the shoulders.

2:43:09SpeakerAnd if you want to share it with everybody else, please do.

2:43:13BubblemanI will. Absolutely. Anyone that emails me at bcbubbleman at icloud.com, I will send you the document that Sam is speaking of.

2:43:22SpeakerPeter Barber. It's a PXT file or I forget what it's.

2:43:32BubblemanAppreciate you. Thank you. Sorry, I was just replying to someone in chat. I try desperately to do my replies and all my extracurricular activities during moderation of Hash Church to do it when someone is talking because I know when someone stops talking, it's often up to me to make sure there's no awkward silences in the room.

2:43:54SpeakerYeah, it's a PTTX file or PPTX file.

2:44:01Ryan Dank AfOkay.

2:44:03BubblemanWow, Robert from Carol LEDs said, I have never missed a hash church ever. And I totally believe him. That's amazing, dude. Missed hanging out with you, dude. I miss hanging out with you. I'm going to be heading to your farm and hanging out with you and your cows one of these days in the very near future. No doubt about that.

2:44:26SpeakerRobert named one of his cows after me. He called him Sammy.

2:44:30BubblemanI know he did. I know he did. He's so happy that I linked him up with you guys, dude. Like, you don't even know. Robert is such a good guy. Such a real... When I first met Robert, he looked like he was like David Lee Roth. He was like David Lee Roth. And then he even had the clothes on. And then it took me a while of meeting him that I learned that the clothes he was wearing...

2:44:52BubblemanWe're actually David Lee Roth's clothes, that they were actual like Van Halen outfits that he had acquired. And I was just like, I'm fucking with this guy on every level.

2:45:03SpeakerWhen we rented the villa in Spain a few years ago, he came and spent Christmas with us.

2:45:11BubblemanOh, nice. Oh, my God. That's amazing, dude. That's so awesome. I remember I, man, I wanted to come for that. Trust me, I was really bummed that I couldn't make it out there. I was just talking to Rick not too long ago, who's also not feeling good and just got out of a very rough night of tossing and turning and being sick, Delisi, and he was mentioning that as well, just wanting to spend more time getting back to Amsterdam, seeing you guys more often.

2:45:40BubblemanSo who knows, one of these days soon, maybe Rick and I will just roll up and knock on your door and be like, what's up?

2:45:47SpeakerI have an empty bedroom for you, Marcus, if you show up. Just like I stayed with you when I tried to fly into Vancouver. They kicked me out and I went to the Seattle airport, rented a car, and was back at your place 24 hours later.

2:46:09BubblemanFuckin' A you did. That was amazing. I remember being... More excited than ever that you said you were going to come and hang out. I was like, this is amazing. And then I was like more bummed than ever when you were like, yeah, they won't let me into your country from something from 1968. And then more stoked than ever again to see you roll up in your rental car and just be like, yeah, I just went and rented a car.

2:46:31BubblemanI just, you know, I'm like, holy shit.

2:46:34SpeakerIt's like a roller coaster. I rented it from a car rental place at the Seattle airport, but it had Canadian plates on it. So when I drove up to the Canadian border, they just waved me through.

2:46:47BubblemanUnbelievable. Who's saying that? Someone said it in the room earlier. It's who you get. Nothing else matters. I think it was Ryan. It's who you get. Ain't that the truth.

2:47:01Etienne FontanSo this week is Christmas. So what's everybody smoking on this Christmas? Got anything special saved for the stash for Christmas? Anything special happened in the Bubble Man household? I think with the kids, y'all still do the Christmas, the whole thing, yes?

2:47:21BubblemanYeah, it'll be one of the rare times in the year that I'll have all three of my children in the room. The two older ones, they don't, Thank you so much.

2:47:49BubblemanThe least greedy kid you could possibly imagine. Like his Christmas list is like almost like laughable. His buddy, I saw his buddy's Christmas list because his dad showed it to me and it was like front row tickets to the Lakers. It was like a GoPro and a drone. It was like an iPhone 14. It was so ridiculous. It was like $30,000. And then I looked at my son's and it was like he wanted like a stuffy, you know, like a little bear stuffy.

2:48:22BubblemanAnd he wanted like a little science project thing that you can You know, you have like 10 different science experiments that you can do. Like less than $100 is what his Christmas list was. And it's been like that every year. Still to this day at 10 years old, it's still like that. His buddy, who two years ago had a $30,000 Christmas list, I'm sure it was a $50,000 Christmas list this year, which is just unbelievable.

2:48:49BubblemanNow, don't get me wrong, that guy's dad, I know him. Well, he's certainly not buying some $30,000 worth of Christmas stuff, but the kid wants that. And I think that that is the greatest thing you could avoid with your child. If you can somehow miraculously do it is to just not have them Get sucked into the shallowness of neediness or wantiness, I guess, you know, it's not neediness, it's wantiness.

2:49:18Ryan Dank AfYeah, at that age to have such a huge consumer demand, it's like, man, the kids are going to run.

2:49:24BubblemanDude, to want Lakers tickets when you live in British Columbia, first of all, is like a big ask, but to put front row on the front of that?

2:49:33Etienne FontanYeah, but Marcus, you're missing something. It also shows how the parents raise their child. You know, your child is respectful and understands what is important and what isn't important. And that is priceless. And that's something that you and your wife instilled in them. Well, my wife probably the most.

2:49:54SpeakerIt's still priceless. My granddaughter's birthday is on Christmas. So she gets a double whammy.

2:50:05BubblemanEasy. Imagine your birthday on Christmas. I had a friend of mine.

2:50:11Ryan Dank AfJesus had to deal with it too, Mark.

2:50:14Etienne FontanHe hated it because it was having Christmas and birthday together so close. You know, everybody celebrates the one on the other. So he was not happy them being so close together.

2:50:25BubblemanSo just marry into a culture that doesn't celebrate Christmas. There you go. Fixed it for you.

2:50:32SpeakerWe celebrate both and we give her at least a couple thousand presents. I'm joking.

2:50:43BubblemanI know who you are. That's so funny. Well, I mean, listen, you got to think, I know it goes back much further, but it seems like Coca-Cola had a big hand in inventing what we know today as Christmas. Wade has his hand up, so we're going to go straight to Wade.

2:51:02SpeakerThank you, Marcus. I've been sitting here trying to sort out in my head how, well, let me back up a minute. This week, I've had a bug going in my head, in addition to a cold, but a bug going in my head about what is the nature of giving? What's involved when a person chooses to gift someone something, be it an act or object or whatever? And yes, there's certainly a huge consumer culture around this time of year.

2:51:46SpeakerFor me, it's about the return of light. Each day gets longer from here on into summer. And I think that's important for farmers and anybody who's paying attention to nature. But I want to come back to giving and specifically early on in our conversation today, we were talking about what I think of as brand loyalty. And Marcus, you shared about some folks who are producing an imitation of your bags and offering it as substantial discount, literally using your paperwork and information.

2:52:23SpeakerSo persons who have issues with it end up contacting you. And to my thinking, I'm realizing I want to make sense here. This feels important to me, at least.

2:52:41SpeakerIn business, I'll start there in business because it's more cut and dried. In business, when someone takes their resources, their money, and buys your product, that is in a certain way a gift to you in respect to your product. Now, do most of those folks actually do that as a conscious thing? I don't know. But there's an exchange there. And to me, the What I'm trying to get to is in business, those relationships are pretty straightforward.

2:53:17SpeakerAlthough of course, if you're in business, they're not straightforward at all. It's very complicated and hard to keep a business going, particularly where what you're selling is in effect an idea. And a set of tools around that idea of in specifically with bubble bags. It's, hey, these trichomes are really beautiful. Let's figure out a way to harvest them and make them available to as many people as possible.

2:53:43SpeakerAnd I like that. So yeah, the business part of this is to me pretty straightforward, although it's complicated. But when it comes to personal relationships, Be it a marriage or a friendship or a sibling relationship, a parent-child relationship, usually gifting comes with an expectation of reciprocity, if you will, some sense that because I've done this, they're going to do that, and There's a certain transactional thing going on there.

2:54:31SpeakerAnd I don't know that it's wrong. It's an observable thing. And something John Berfelow said earlier in the conversation is the one thing you can really have control over is your emotional state about how you perceive the world. And I thought that was a very profound statement that you made, John, because that is my experience as well. No matter what your situation is, one of the things you do have to some extent, you do have some control over is how you deal with the world and the things that it presents you.

2:55:07SpeakerAnd so at this time of year, in this season, in this season where giving is so heavily emphasized, I really wanted to hear from some of the most giving people I know. The people I'm looking at on this screen, like what is gifting to you? How do you sit with the relationships in your life around not just objects, but your time, your involvement, And Marcus, I know you've spoken about missing classes and not being happy about it, but wanting to do church each Sunday morning, which I'm really grateful for.

2:55:54SpeakerAnd there's an exchange. You make the offer, which is a gift, and those of us that you extend that gift to choose to accept it or not, and I like to think that in this group, there's really little expectation of reciprocity or finding some gold mine or whatever as a result of being here. To me, this is very much about the free exchange of information from people who care passionately about this plant and the potential benefits to humans and animals and You know, if you get into regenerative practices of the planet.

2:56:42SpeakerOkay, I think I'm done now. I hope that made sense. And yeah, I really would love to hear anybody who has any thoughts about what I just said and what giving and receiving means to you.

2:56:59SpeakerI patented giving.

2:57:05Etienne FontanThank you, Sam. That's such a perfect statement. Who patented taking, right? Yeah, exactly.

2:57:14BubblemanI have a trademark. No, Wade, that was beautiful. That was beautiful, Wade, really. Even before you started it, I said, this is going to be magic. I know it's going to be magic. I'm waiting for it. Yeah, to me, you know, it's all about just, I guess what it is for me when I give, whether it's my time, whether it's an object, whatever it is, it's usually, and I think I've been like this since I was little, it's empathy.

2:57:44BubblemanI'm excited for the person that's going to receive, whether it's my time, whether it's my, I'm legitimately like, this is going to be good. We're going to make this good. This is going to be a great thing. And I'm excited for the, I'm always really excited for the receiver. I always have been excited for receivers in my whole life from being a little kid and someone, I'm contest and someone else wins.

2:58:06BubblemanI'm happy. I'm so happy that they won. It's like, Yeah, that's amazing. You won that. That's crazy. And, you know, with time, with the person of time versus an object, I do think it's even more important. As I get older, I've learned to really understand, you know, and I don't know if it's me giving as much as it's me taking, but the more I give to my elders, the more I give of my time.

2:58:31BubblemanThe more I get of their experience and of stories and of these priceless, valuable moments in time that, you know, we have some elders here in Lions Bay. We have this gentleman named Wolf who's in his eighties now, and he's just the most amazing dude. And he's, he's all about conspiracies and he was a minor back in the day. So he's a real man's man, real, you know, testosterone guy.

2:58:53BubblemanAnd I just love to listen to this guy's stories and look through his pictures with him. And then we have this other woman named Heather. And she's also in her 80s and she's very like, it's just like Marcus, everything is just the light. She's this cool Scottish woman that lives down the street from me. And she's just really like, she sees things that people don't see. And most people just don't give them the time of day.

2:59:14BubblemanAnd I've been giving my time to the both of them. As long as I can remember because you know I really do get so much out of that time and I'm not giving that time just for that but it seems that when I make the decision to give that time it just clicks and it turns into this synergistic exchange of energies where they're also getting this younger perspective of this exposed to things that they maybe wouldn't be exposed to.

2:59:41BubblemanI hold nothing back when I speak to these two particular people. They get to know All of my stories where some of the people in the neighborhood because of my kids get more of a filtered, censored version of said story. So that's what it means to me. It makes me feel good to give. It makes me feel good to receive, but it makes me feel best to give.

3:00:02BubblemanWhen I'm giving, I always feel the best and I'm pretty sure it's why. I feel so good after every episode of Hash Church because I feel like, you know, I'm not the only one that gave, but I'd certainly felt good with my share of the giving today on Hash Church and every day. So thanks for that question. I'll pass it on to the next one.

3:00:23SpeakerEverybody would buy Christmas cards and send them to their friends and colleagues and etc. And what I always tried to do is I would make my own Christmas card from scratch and try to send that to the people I cared about and loved because I felt that was real. Whereas, you know, anybody can take a dollar and buy a Christmas card or five dollars, whatever they cost nowadays.

3:00:53BubblemanThey're $29, Sam. Okay, go ahead.

3:00:59SpeakerBut to sit down and make your own Christmas card, you know, even if you're not the greatest artist in the world, that shows that you really care.

3:01:12BubblemanPush up, Tommy. Yeah, because it saves you time. You shared your time, and that is definitely part of caring. Anyone else in the room want to answer?

3:01:23SpeakerI'd like to say something in response to Wade. As you were talking about that, I was sort of flooded with thoughts, so I'll try to put them into some more sort of cohesive form for you. The first one is, you know, you're talking about, I was picturing the giving, you know, cannabis giving now, at least in the United States and the cannabis reform movement has become a thing.

3:01:48SpeakerYou know, it's a gate out of the industrial complex that we had to build to get past the Republican controlled legislatures to legalize weed, in short. And we've had to actually pass laws. I mean, we had to fight against governors, the governor of California to to get charitable giving to be a thing. So you could actually just give away cannabis without paying taxes on it. That was like actually a project in and of itself.

3:02:20SpeakerBut what I was thinking of as you were talking was I pictured the little globe. I don't know if you've ever seen one, but one of the coolest objects I think I've ever seen in my life was this little glass globe that you can purchase. And inside the sealed ball of glass is everything that is needed for life except for light. It's got a little brine shrimp and it's got water and it's got some little plants and stuff in there and just everything that you would need.

3:02:46SpeakerYou put it in the light and the light activates the system essentially. And you have little brine shrimp eating the little grass, which is producing the oxygen for the little brine shrimp, et cetera. And inside of that glass ball, there's no gifting. There's no receiving of gifts. There's just your role that you play in a sustainable, You know, sort of a system of life, of love, of light.

3:03:15SpeakerAnd to me, when we give cannabis to each other in movement, that's what we're trying to do. That's the balance we're trying to create.

3:03:32BubblemanMike, well, go ahead.

3:03:36Etienne FontanI... I view it as work every day is those moments that we get to celebrate is when we appreciate what we've done, right? In the sense that, you know, my gift of giving is my time in contributing to change. I do the same thing like Sam when it comes to You know, people very close to me. I tend to just do art and it's usually my wife.

3:03:59Etienne FontanSo I tend to make a handmade card or something that is unique as opposed to that is just, you know, specialized. The holidays have been weird for me. You know, I burned my house down a week before Christmas when I was a kid. And that was the only Christmas I ever got what I wanted because I was the youngest of 13. Most of them were step and brothers.

3:04:21Etienne FontanAnd so, you know, it's usually you got socks, you got underwear, right? You know, the unexciting but yet important things that you got. But the thing that always stuck with me is just sharing your time with people you care about. We were poor, right? So if anything, it's to be there for each other. Everybody made a dish since everybody couldn't afford to make the whole splash. So everybody contributed something and everybody showed up together and contributed to that something.

3:04:56Etienne FontanSo we had something to celebrate in the end. With my new family that I married into, we actually get together and pose each year for an actual Christmas card that's sent out every year to, you know, the family, you know, that they have. And I sent it to my sister and... My nieces and nephews, but, you know, it's the, you know, it's what you create. I'm a religious.

3:05:26Etienne FontanI don't believe in any type of God, yet I will adopt any and every religious celebration you've got going. Oh, this year it's Christmas and Hanukkah together. Let's party. You know what I'm saying? It's let's co-opt it. Let's enjoy it. Let's share the time together. And then when it's done, let's get back to work so that when that next celebration, you know, happens, we can celebrate the work of change that we've aspired to do.

3:05:55Etienne FontanYou know, Mike Wade and I are currently involved in a fight against the DEA. And, you know. That's the work that we're doing every day so that hopefully the rescheduling happens and the change that happens becomes a gift for everybody so that we no longer have to live with the oppression that we're living under and the work that we're doing at the international level is trying to then free the rest of the world so that there can not only be an availability of cannabis but we can freely share it And Marcus, you can cross the borders without worrying about it.

3:06:34Etienne FontanAnd so to us, the work that we put in now is the celebration we'll enjoy later. But right now we'll take a brief celebration, but then we got to get back to work because currently the courts we've got until January 10th or else.

3:06:49SpeakerJust to be clear, did you personally burn the house down?

3:06:54Etienne Fontanuh yes it was my uh i told the story it was my first confession candle and i lied about it and burned the house down with my first confession candle oddly enough from the catholic church yes i i went into a closet and i i played in the dark with the candle and I moved it and it went over by my sister's rubber raincoat and it shrunk.

3:07:22Etienne FontanAnd it was the first time I'd ever seen a tracer or, you know, sort of a shrink. And I kept doing it. And my sister's green, velveteen, very polyester dress was on the other side. And And it caught fire. And of course, I'm a seven-year-old child, right? So my idea is, okay, I'll run to the kitchen. I run to the kitchen, I grab a glass of water, and I throw it on it, and all it does is spread.

3:07:48Etienne FontanSo I'm like, oh, I'll get a pot of water. That'll be even better. And I get that, and I try throwing it on the fire, and then it spread worse. And that's when I realized, you know, my brother was blind, so I had to get him out of the house, threw him out of the window. And I went and told mom... The house is on fire and got my sister and they all ran out of the house.

3:08:06Etienne FontanNobody asked how the fire started, but. Mom's like, where's the fire? I was like, it's in the closet. She's like, okay, well go move the clothes, right? And so I go into the room and of course it's 1970s clothing. So it's just dripping, melting plastic, right?

3:08:20SpeakerWell, at least you got a zilch out of it. Right?

3:08:24Etienne FontanYou know, but I did get, I did get my, I got the Lone Ranger doll. That was the big thing that I got that Christmas. So, you know, house for Lone Ranger doll, terrible exchange.

3:08:35BubblemanHouse with like 15 people in it?

3:08:38Etienne FontanNo, no, it was only like four of us. It was only my brother, my sister and my mom. And unfortunately, when we all ran out of the house, my mom left the doors open. I left the window open. And of course, all the Christmas presents were in the attic. And yeah, the house immediately went up. And I remember standing there across the street. And as I can hear the sirens off in the distance, I'm complete and utter shock.

3:09:07Etienne FontanNext thing I know, there's the Red Cross person putting a blanket around me. And then I look to my right and there's my father who's blind. My mom, my grandmother, I guess, had dropped him off from where he was two blocks away. And he comes over to me and puts his hands on my shoulders. And the first question I was asked was, ATN, did you have anything to do with the house burning down?

3:09:32Etienne FontanI was like, no, sir. And so, yeah, the first confession after my confession was a lie. So there you go.

3:09:44BubblemanAnd here's the irony is... You were built for the Catholic Church, bro.

3:09:48Etienne FontanOh, not only was I built for it, so then the only person I told was my sister, right? And so she then proceeded to blackmail me for the next five years that if you don't do the dishes, I'm going to tell mom and dad, you burned the house down, et cetera, et cetera. And so I'm like, oh, you fucking asshole. So one day I'm like 12 and I'm like, fuck it.

3:10:11Etienne FontanI'm going to actually tell. And at the table, I'm like, mom, dad, I burned the house down and my sister shoots me, you know, the look of death. And of course, then my mom starts breaking down crying and my stepdad's patting my mom on the back. It's OK. It's OK. I think we can tell them now. And my sister and I look at them like, what the fuck do you mean you can tell us now?

3:10:36Etienne FontanAnd yeah, they're like, oh, the fire department, when they did the fire survey, said the fire started at the Christmas tree. So we didn't say anything about the closet. So the insurance company ended up paying out for the house. We were able to rebuild the house and move out of the ghetto in New Orleans. And that's where I learned that a family that lies together stays together.

3:11:03Etienne FontanSo there you go.

3:11:05BubblemanLiar, liar, pants on fire, as Bingo Lombardi just said. That's an unbelievable twist to your story, Etienne.

3:11:13Etienne FontanThat's that. That's that. That was the kind of the little the twist in history is I was always getting expected to be getting in trouble. But instead, you know, I got thanks because we were too poor. And by having the house rebuilt into a new house, we were able to sell it for good money and move out into deep into Cajun country. So there you go. Merry Christmas.

3:11:37BubblemanYou're awesome. See, there you go. That's a different kind of giving.

3:11:44Etienne FontanSo now I just fired joints, which is funny. Before my mom died years ago, I sent her a picture of me holding a candle going like this. Yeah, you know, you got to have some humor with it, right?

3:11:59BubblemanSo any other epic Christmas stories, folks?

3:12:12BubblemanNot like that, I hope. My goodness. I burnt the whole house down, kept my mouth shut, served my family. We got the whole house insured. That's pretty amazing.

3:12:24Ryan Dank AfYeah, not that it's an epic Christmas tale or anything, but I'm going to comment on what Wade said. You know, you touched on the whole rebirth and the days getting longer thing. I mean, this is, we're post-solstice now. Which has been, you know, the traditionally the shortest day of the year, or not traditionally, has been the shortest day of the year. And that takes a toll, I think, on people's emotions.

3:12:44Ryan Dank AfAnd it's also a time of rebirth, right? Rebirth of the sun, rebirth of the days getting longer and the seasons that to come. And I think it's just a nice time to share with, obviously be with your family, but, you know, to share things with people that you care about and helping them set themselves up for the next year. Right? So... I think it's probably a tragedy if things, gifts come to feel as transactional.

3:13:13Ryan Dank AfI think sales is more about, or it has traditionally been about, I value your time and the things that you bring to the world. Right. And I want to support you in your work.

3:13:25Ryan Dank AfWhich is also a kindness. I see it as a kindness. But. You know, giving a gift to people or the people that you care about, I try to choose gifts that are thoughtful for them and that are going to change their life for some way and the better to help them, you know, move forward. And I don't always save it for Christmas. You know, I've been in the position more recently that I've been able to give more to people and help more people.

3:13:54Ryan Dank AfAnd it's like you were saying, Marcus, there's something, there's almost a selfishness to it. Right, because of the joy that you get back from giving, right? And helping other people set themselves up for their future or their year to come. So, yeah.

3:14:12SpeakerI was pretty cynical. I always considered the whole Christmas thing sort of like everybody was just running lackey dogs of the imperialist toy mongers.

3:14:26Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, there can't be that, right? And it does lead to this insane consumerism. But, you know, like Mark's son has realized that it's not necessarily what it's all about. It's the biggest, baddest, best gift. It's just they're little symbols of, hey, I see you and I care about you. And, you know, maybe like long ago it was. You know, it was a cold time of year.

3:14:50Ryan Dank AfIt was a dark time of year. People's moods are probably generally not good. And it's a way to help people feel better, right? So giving a little something of yourself, especially like you said, David, if you make it. And a lot of people make gifts starting way in the middle of the year, right? Like they prepare these things well in advance.

3:15:10BubblemanIt's more than just feeling good, too. I mean, it's like if you have someone who is deeply depressed, deeply down the rabbit hole of darkness and sadness and anguish and pain and misery, probably the simplest, easiest way to get them out of that mindset is get them into servicing others. If you can service others with whatever energy you have left and offer yourself up to service others.

3:15:36BubblemanThe joy you get from that is people just can't, they can't understand it. They can't believe it.

3:15:44SpeakerPeople need it, Marcus, because you got to remember that depression and suicide often runs highest at Christmas time.

3:15:55BubblemanAbsolutely. Absolutely. And I also know that the SSRIs that people get prescribed for suicidal ideation, the number one side effect for those drugs is suicidal ideation. So when you think how absolutely batshit crazy that is to give people a drug that this number one side effect is suicidal ideation, but you're giving it to them for suicidal ideation. That is definitely like partially part of the problem. So I'm not a psychiatrist.

3:16:25BubblemanI'm not a doctor. I don't prescribe medicine. But I know that when I'm kind of feeling down on myself, I don't get feeling better by like winning, but I get feeling better by by offering my time to people who need it. It's just like put yourself in a situation. If you're feeling bad and you're not, oh, whatever your situation is, well, then go to the Children's Cancer Ward and tell me that you still feel bad about what you're going through.

3:16:50BubblemanOr go to, you know, there's a variety of places and people that you can go visit who are, I promise you, having a harder time than you are right now. And so when you feel that, you feel empathy. And then when you start feeling empathy instead of sadness and anguish and pain, you start feeling like, what could I do for them? What could I do? I can't even do anything for myself.

3:17:11BubblemanBut you'll have a voice in your head going, yeah, but I could do something for them because that pain and that depression and that anguish, it won't keep you from trying to do something nice for someone else. It'll just keep you from doing something nice for yourself. And in truth, when you do something nice for someone else, That is doing something nice for your own self as well.

3:17:30BubblemanThere's no better feeling than being in service to others. I'm convinced that 51 years of age, that's the number one lesson I've learned. And thank God I have the next part of my life to put that into reality.

3:17:47Ryan Dank AfWell, think about what perhaps your giddy aunt, the joy that he got out of watching you Do micro photography meters. I mean, he sent me he was a really kind, loving guy. I mean, we sent him seeds years and years ago and he made the same. He did the same thing. He made those hash picture pictures out of the per variety. Right. And he sent some to Kip and he sent a bunch to myself.

3:18:07Ryan Dank AfAnd yeah, it was pretty, pretty good to meet him.

3:18:11BubblemanWhen I arrived in London in 2004 at the first and only cannabis event that ever happened at Wembley Stadium, I had a booth there and he showed up and he gave me his original clear dome photo of the clear dome framed. And then he also had hash for me. Now this is London. So this is in like 2004. It's priceless. And he gave me like a half a gram to three quarters of a gram each day that I was there.

3:18:40BubblemanHe would show up in the morning and be like, today I've got such and such a cultivar for you. Here you go. Full melt, six star bubble. And he did that every day that I was there. And I was just like, Big Buddha also did some very generous things for me at that event. But yeah, he was absolutely thrilled. I have pictures of him with like Subcool and Big Buddha and Tricomb Farmer all in my booth, like hanging out with the bags 2004.

3:19:05BubblemanLike those were good days, man. You're not wrong. He was absolutely thrilled to do that. And You know, I don't know if that's part of it, but I've never forgotten it. It's that authenticity that I was talking about. At 51 years old, you realize you cannot remember most of your life. You can remember very specific, amazing things. And I feel that a lot of the things that are remembered are authentic.

3:19:33BubblemanThose are the things that get remembered when you have authentic experiences and you meet authentic people and they, you know, you just have these authentic experiences together. It's hard. It's hard to forget them.

3:19:46Etienne FontanWell, what you were talking about earlier about the SSRIs is the reality that a lot of our veterans, especially our GWAT veterans, have experienced is that the VA will give them copious amounts of pills. And if you try to just discuss cannabis, then you become a cannabis use disorder has become the U.S. The U.S. is at least kind of a catch-all phrase that the science is using, or at least the doctors, because there's no classification otherwise for doctors to have currently given the methodology, which is what a DSM-5.

3:20:28Etienne FontanWhich is the psychological classifications for, you know, somebody who is under under drugs in there, per se. And so this is a real frustration that we have fought and why we have had such success in communicating to not only other veterans, but first responders. Right. Police and, you know. Firemen also experience great deals of post-traumatic stress. It's not exclusive to war. People experience it, sexual traumas, et cetera, both male and female alone.

3:21:02Etienne FontanSo it's just unfortunate that the first thing that's prescribed is a medication that does produce suicidal ideation. So this is where communication, talking, reaching out. We as veterans, we're taught to... We're assigned a battle buddy whenever, which is somebody, basically your assigned friend in the military, right? Well, once you get out, we check in with each other to make sure, you know, because those deep thoughts can drive people down fast and hard.

3:21:35Etienne FontanSo this time of year, check in with those people you love. Check in with people who you haven't checked in with a while and see how they are. And, you know, it can literally save a life. I've inadvertently got a call one time at 12 o'clock at midnight. And I was going to ignore it because I was going to bed, but something told me to listen to it.

3:21:56Etienne FontanAnd I did and I picked it up and it was somebody who was ready to drive right off a cliff. And if I hadn't have actually picked up that phone call and spoken to him at that particular time, you know, he would have left his son. He would have never gotten his property in Alaska and a whole bunch of other things that have transpired in his life that have impacted and made his life better.

3:22:23Etienne FontanSo don't just be there. Be there for someone because it can literally be a lifesaver. And sometime when you're down, reach out to somebody for that when you're down. Don't go that final route. I'd rather talk to you about your problems than read your obituary or read your eulogy out to others, right? So, suicide hotline, share it with others. This is a time of year where it's really hot and hard for people and nothing but love and respect and sharing.

3:22:59Etienne FontanIt means it could really save a life.

3:23:02BubblemanIt could be months before someone gets there that you can offer kindness and help them, prevent them to even getting there in the first place. So, although when they're right at the end and they're at the edge of the cliff, that is an amazing time to step in. But being kind at any time, it doesn't cost anything. It's totally free and it feels good. So try it.

3:23:25SpeakerI actually patented feeling good.

3:23:29BubblemanI pay you each time I feel good, Sam.

3:23:32SpeakerJust a little bit. Just a little bit. So yeah, I love the focus on the benefit of... Helping others and how that gives back to you. I think that's a beautiful visual. I think it also goes back to what I was trying to say with my, you know, a little bit less poetic version earlier. I was talking with one of our mentors, a great friend of ours in the cannabis activist community, Dr. Agarwal, Sunil Agarwal from Washington State.

3:24:06SpeakerAnd I was just talking to him as a friend, you know, for a while about activism and stuff. And he just stopped for a minute, paused, and he said, you know, from what you're telling me, it sounds like you actually might be getting a medicinal effect from helping others. And I think that's what ATN is talking about. And I think that's what we've actually found in our Veterans Action Council.

3:24:25SpeakerIt's not just that you feel good. I mean, it's like a true positive in your life. You know, it really, it does go back to what I was trying to talk about, that larger system, that somehow if we could find our role in it, that we each have a place in it and have a place of belonging and love that is very strong. It's what people seem to be searching for indeed.

3:24:53SpeakerWell, that's definitely the reason why I'm here. It's the reason why I do this every day. All right. It's 42 years. I don't think I'm not going away. Right. I mean, it's it's it meets my six human needs. I love I love the passion. I love the giving. I look forward to it. Morpheus is here meowing. And it's it's it's And so I've been doing my whole life in a sense, right?

3:25:18SpeakerAlways helping the person to get that next breakthrough, what I've gone through. Or the people have helped me and want to give back in my serving by helping them. Because I've gone through some pretty major life-changing moments and people have helped me get through that moment. So I, in return, give back to the same. Every day, I get to live this life because I choose to. So my purpose driven.

3:25:40SpeakerAnd like Tony says, the people around me, I'm here because this is my purpose. Hunting to your mission, right? Cannabis, cucumbers, peppers, and tomatoes going on 100, flowing 100 years. It's all about biology being self-sufficient, being able to grow our own, have our own medicine, have our own food, have our own right to do what we're allowed to do, to choose what we put in our own bodies.

3:26:00SpeakerAnd as I look at everything around me, it's like 42 quotes I wrote, you know, because they're 42 of my favorite people that helped inspire me to get to where I am today. And that's what we do. We're growing by giving back. I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't the mentors behind me, like Dr. Hornby, like Horatio. Like, like, like Greg Williams, like Michelle Ray. These are all of our friends, right?

3:26:22SpeakerAll these great Jason and Randy. I mean, I look at the giants that got us to where we are today. And how do we move forward by giving to the next generation, like you said, right? That's what we're all doing here. Why? Because we wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the generations that helped us to get to where we are. And once you start realizing healing positive forward and giving gives back, that's the true essence of healing.

3:26:47SpeakerThat's the medicine, the medical effects you get. There you go. You got Horatio. I know he's always here, right here. Anybody knows, right? So I got to make sure I get you one of these. We got to make sure like I want to get some of your email.

3:27:00Etienne FontanI have one. You gave me one. I have it. It's in the other room.

3:27:03SpeakerGood. Yeah. I always want to make sure, you know what I mean?

3:27:05BubblemanI never, I never got one. Yes, you did.

3:27:08SpeakerWhat do you mean you didn't have one?

3:27:09BubblemanI didn't. I've heard you say you gave me one like five times and I never wanted to correct you, but I thought, you know what? Today I'll correct him. I have never been given one of those.

3:27:17SpeakerI would love to get one. And then we take one freeze off the freeze dryer from where it came from and you're going to grab one. You know what? And that's, that's what we get to do. Oh, I'm blown away. I feel, I thought for sure I gave you one.

3:27:35BubblemanNo, you said it a couple weeks ago when you pulled one out and I was like, oh, I don't have the heart to tell him. And I thought, no, of course I can tell Johnny. I'm like, I got, listen, I got Horatio locked in my mind forever. I got to do the Inner Sanctum video. The Inner Sanctuary video on YouTube. And so I'll never forget him. I'm happy.

3:27:54BubblemanThe way I can remember all these amazing people is just maintaining these videos on YouTube forever. You know, people will be able to meet Horatio 10 years from now on that video. And it's amazing because he almost didn't do that video. And he was even kind of when I went there, he was like, dude, I'm kind of freaked out. No one's ever been in my lab, ever.

3:28:14BubblemanNobody. I don't let people in my lab. I don't share this information with people. And I'm like, well... It's up to you if you want to do it or not. And he said, well, I'll just, and he moved a bunch of things and hit some things and did talk about everything. But the things that he spoke about is now a gift to everyone that wants to continue to get that gift from Horatio.

3:28:33BubblemanYou know, the things he chose not to speak about, those things are forever with Horatio.

3:28:41SpeakerThat's where we get to kind of share and give back.

3:28:45Ryan Dank AfWell, and that's the other part of this Christmas season too. I mean, you know, last year was my first Christmas season without my mom, but this one's, you know, this one's my second. And, you know, I think that this is a, that death is a lot, it's part of the rebirth. And it's a lot of the reason I think a lot of people have a hard time Aaron Weiss, Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris Brown,

3:29:29SpeakerYou know, and as a community, we look how far we've grown together. And I think that's what I've seen over the last 42 years, really. And I mean, smoked my first joint.

3:29:39Ryan Dank AfYeah, you know, it was... Well, what you were saying about Horatio, I mean, the things that you don't share, they do go to the grave with you, you know? And, you know, I have a saying, a way I say it is like, when people die, the songs that they sing, they go with them or the songs that they play. They go with them, right? Because there's every organizm, every individual has these unique things about them.

3:30:05Ryan Dank AfAnd when we lose those people, they move on. So you got to try to share the moments and the songs that you have while you can, right?

3:30:16Etienne FontanAnd you hold that light up as long as you can, and then you pass it on.

3:30:22BubblemanWell, the Grateful Dead said it perfectly. Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.

3:30:30Etienne FontanAnd all we're doing is walking each other home. So exactly what Wade and others have said, be kind, share that love, you know, because none of us get out of here alive. You know, what I'm holding in my hand was once his and he is no longer with him. And I would much rather have him than this. But because of my grief and because of that love, this object holds a permanence for me and a respect that I hold dear and that I can visually see.

3:31:00Etienne FontanLike sometimes we see the faces of the dead and those of the living and makes us double take like, whoa, whoa, that person looks just like, wow. And then that memory comes back. So Don't forget to be there with that memory of that person and of those experiences because that's what makes us human. That's the price. That's what we get is our memories and the love. And what we leave behind is what others can pick up and carry forward.

3:31:29Etienne FontanSo do something so that you can leave something so that others can pick it up.

3:31:39BubblemanI do feel that one day we should celebrate Horatio. I don't know if it's the day that he first came on Hash Church or the day of his passing, but we could all get those weird kind of yellow-hued lights so that we came into Hash Church all kind of yellow. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:32:20SpeakerRight? And this is what we get to do here is we get to share, we get to give back. And like you're saying, it's these little moments in time that, you know, everything was created out of motion. It's all created out of thought. It's all created out of the formless, which is inside of what's in front of us. And these little moments moments we can create something from this thought at this time and start creating your next future what you want to become and that's what we get to do here we get to see what we've done and we get to look forward to what will be coming and i come here because i get to see all the breakthroughs with all of you right Every day we see a little bit a little bit more in the chat or something this person got that that person got helped here or this strain did this or this did that we did this kind of this strained up this much hash or and and this is helping with this person and and hearing that and how far we'd be able to kind of fight for our right to be able to use cannabis as a medicine as a food uh as for recreational for whatever purpose it is it all gets created by What we do here every day, which is giving back, right?

3:33:28SpeakerGiving back the tools that you were given because this was given to you. Everything was given to you. It's a creation and we can appreciate everything that we have and how we can go forward. We're leaders, leading leaders. Remember that, right? And all you can control is that emotional mind that you have. And you can do that by looking towards the future and always sharing your love.

3:33:51SpeakerAnd that's what we do here. It's beautiful.

3:33:55BubblemanKevin Love. We've got about 28 minutes left of Hash Church for this Sunday, December 22nd before Christmas, just fresh after solstice and geez, like nine days or something away from 10 days away from a new year here.

3:34:15Ryan Dank AfAnd the first day after you went back to the United States.

3:34:19BubblemanAnd the first day after I went back to the United States, that was such a trip. I know for most that was probably like, who cares, dude? But for me, it was gigantic.

3:34:29Ryan Dank AfOh, we've been on the journey for a long time. I woke up this morning and I thought to myself, hey, I never followed up with Marcus about what happened. So I'm glad that you told the story today on church.

3:34:41Etienne FontanThat's a huge step, man. We've been following this journey for years and, you know, we've been wanting, I mean, I've been on this show for what, nine years or so? So, you know, we finally got to meet in Barcelona, right? Where we were doing the whole Rosin episode. We were doing the whole Rosin. Yeah. I'd love to show you around and take you to some spots and to take you out to dinner and just share energy again.

3:35:08Etienne FontanI love sharing this time here.

3:35:09BubblemanDude, I want to go to the Berkeley Patients Group. I want to like see all your shit, dude. Like, are you kidding me?

3:35:16Etienne FontanCome on down. You're the next contestant. You got it all.

3:35:20BubblemanI'm stoked to be the next contestant on the Deb is Right.

3:35:25Ryan Dank AfI'm definitely coming on the California leg of the tour because I got stuff to do too.

3:35:33Ryan Dank AfThat'll be fun.

3:35:34SpeakerAnd Wade, just so you know, I will be in California the end of January.

3:35:47Etienne FontanI look forward to hugging you and Diana in person.

3:35:51BubblemanAgain.

3:35:55Ryan Dank AfYeah, we were talking about, I was going to pick up, uh, David at their prior commitment and possibly come over and see Wade if he's amenable, if he's available. So we'll do that.

3:36:09BubblemanA legendary meeting.

3:36:13SpeakerYes.

3:36:16BubblemanHarlequin and Skunk number one.

3:36:22BubblemanThat is what's up.

3:36:26SpeakerBoth with their oxygen masks on.

3:36:30BubblemanHowever you got to do it, man. However you got to do it.

3:36:37BubblemanMaybe I'll create a new cartridge that fits into oxygen tanks and releases cannabinoids and aromatic volatiles into the oxygen simultaneously. So you're just getting a nice little like.

3:36:52SpeakerAll I do is I just lift my mask up for a moment.

3:36:56BubblemanI bet you do. That's what I would do too. That's what I would do too. Oxygen is life. So Marcus, what would you like to thank? Oh, one second, sorry. JH would like to thank Wade for steering the conversation in such a beautiful direction. Amazing conversation. You always bring such a great perspective. I wanted Wade to hear that. Go ahead, it's here.

3:37:19Etienne FontanSo what are you and what is everybody else smoking on?

3:37:24BubblemanI just smoked the last, almost the last, of some lovely bubble that I made with a friend's backyard crop in Deep Cove, North Vancouver. Buddy Merlin, who I had a show with him called Get Cooked with Merlin. He's an incredible chef. He's Quebecois, so he's always got the joint, and he's cooking and dabbing. He's dabbing with the joint in his mouth. Just fucking classic dude, makes amazing food.

3:37:51BubblemanHe grew a couple plants in his backyard, invited me over, and for whatever reason, because I usually get about 50 of these invites every year, hey, bubble man, you should come over to my house and turn my crop into bullhash. It'll be fun. I don't generally think of that as fun. I hate to say because it's my job and I do it so much. It's like inviting a carpenter over to fix your deck because it'll be fun.

3:38:14BubblemanBut with Merlin, for whatever reason, I did it. And I got to say, It was fun. It was awesome. He gave me a huge jar of hash. I'm just down to kind of the last little bits now. But it was like a solid five star. You know, it leaves Chaz on the banger, but it's very potent, cushy. I can't remember the name of the cultivars as we never wrote them down.

3:38:35BubblemanIt was really just go over to his house, bring my equipment, run a few batches. And then I said, you can keep the equipment to run the rest of it because I wasn't about to run them. You know, the whole amount. But it was actually fun. And I got to figure out more often that how appreciative people are when I go and do that and stop thinking a bit more like I'm a carpenter going to do.

3:38:58BubblemanYou know, it's like the guy that is the landscaper. You ever go to the guy's house who's a landscaper and his yard's in terrible condition? Because he doesn't want to do landscaping for him.

3:39:09Ryan Dank AfIt's the cobbler's shoes.

3:39:11Etienne FontanHey, Marcus, I have a question.

3:39:13Ryan Dank AfI remember the first time I went to Jorge Cervantes' place in Barcelona and he's got this Attico with like a little bit of a I don't know, kind of like a landscape patio, not landscape, but like a patio on the roof of his place in Barcelona. And he had a haze plant there that was the worst, the worst looking haze plant I've ever seen in my life.

3:39:36Ryan Dank AfFlowers were all messed up and they were, it was properly and improperly trained. So I was like, Jorge, what the fuck are you doing? So I had to sit down and clean off. I couldn't leave the plant like that. I had to clean off this haze plant and restake it and take all the dead leaf off and Give it a semblance. But it's cobbler's shoes is what it is, right?

3:39:58Ryan Dank AfThey spend all day doing that. It's the last thing you want to do on the weekend.

3:40:02Etienne FontanSo, Marcus, I have a question. Years ago, you coined the phrase Chaz Banger because of a friend, Chaz, who Chaz Banger.

3:40:12BubblemanNo, that was Brett Maverick. He coined the term. Yeah, it was Brett Maverick, and his roommate was named Chaz. You can't make this shit up. And this guy, I would just, I, I, listen, if I coined the term, we'd be calling it fucking Johnny B, not fucking Chaz, because Johnny B has Chaz'd more bangers. In his defense, he's like, it's not even, I'm not even talking down on him.

3:40:38BubblemanJohnny B gets more out of cannabis and cannabis resin. He's not a taste it to a waste it to taste it guy. He's a extreme pain killer. 9.8. I was on 450 milligrams or whatever of Oxycut. He needs a big hit and he needs a hot hit. And because of it, he chases bangers like nobody I know. So if had I, yeah, show your Chaz banger, Johnny.

3:41:03BubblemanOh, that's not bad, dude. What are you talking about? Show the real one. What's that?

3:41:11SpeakerThere's a whole bunch of them over there. Yeah, so there's a reason for your Chaz though. I got five grand worth of Chaz bangers, okay? Like, give me a break. So, I mean, there's no difference. And I loved it. And yeah, hot dab does goes a long way. And I can tell you that.

3:41:29BubblemanIt gives you a better rip. It takes your pain away. I've watched it since I've known you, dude. And all the Instagram fuckboys that want to laugh and be like, oh, you got to hit it at 420 and this, that. It's like, great. Listen, for you, that's great. Let's respect. What works for other people? I'll never forget when Irv was in Hash Church talking about his joints.

3:41:48BubblemanAnd he was like, yeah, they grind the whole plant. They're like 6% THC. I have to smoke like 12 of them a day. They're a gram each. And Todd was here at the time. And you, Etienne, myself, and Skunk Man said, we're all doing the same thing. Irv, we're going to hook you up. There's no reason for you to smoke that bullshit anymore. We're going to dial you in, bro.

3:42:07BubblemanDon't worry about it. And he's like, guys, guys, stop talking for one second. I like this weed. It's perfect for me. It works. It's great. I like this. And we're like. You know, glitching out, like trying to not understanding, but I really had a unique and different perspective after that conversation. It was the second time it had happened on Hatch Church because the first time it was Debbie.

3:42:33BubblemanIt was Debbie Goldsberry. And she came on Hatch Church and we were all talking about terpenes and we just got to educate everyone and they'll figure it out. And everyone will want what we want because we want the best. And she's like, guys, I love you all. I do. I really love you. But nobody gives a fuck about any of this. All they care about is price and THC percentage.

3:42:54BubblemanI've been selling weed for 25 years. I can promise you this is what they get. And she said that on Hash Church and it opened my mind to like, It's good to have the perspective that you want to help everyone and that you want everyone to have the best. But there is a level that it becomes narcissistic and you have to listen to people in what they actually like and enjoy and want.

3:43:14BubblemanAnd those two times that happened for me on Hash Church, it was Debbie and Irv that sort of just flipped the conversation right on its head, but made sense to me later.

3:43:26Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, when I was little, Connie, he had all his bangers and stuff set up the way he wanted to hit it. And I was like, no, can I have, I want one of these pipes, right? And some nice tight screens and some bubble and, you know, torch lighter. And that was, Way better than ripping. I don't like dabs, especially not huge dabs. You know, like one of my rules with the dabs is everybody should control their own dab stick.

3:43:51Ryan Dank AfNever let somebody sit up for you. Because that's how you get your lungs blown out and people just don't end up enjoying it.

3:43:58BubblemanI will say there is one group of people that you can allow to give you dabs. And I feel like I really helped pioneer the micro dab because I, you know, first of all, I knocked so many people out of consciousness over the years with just bubble hash, not even trying, just not understanding, just giving them too much and watching them like timber, like literally dozens and dozens.

3:44:19BubblemanI can't even count how many people I knocked unconscious at the Cannabis Cup, at concerts. And it was, I just didn't like it at all. I just thought it was like, this is a fucking bad vibe. Like, we got to figure this out. It took me literally almost two decades. But I learned to give people micro dabs.

3:44:36Etienne FontanOkay, Mary, I gave you, I want to say it was like 2015. We were at the Emerald Cup and I gave you a dab and you got vapor lock, right?

3:44:43Ryan Dank AfBecause of, you know,

3:44:45Etienne FontanJust how it was and that happens where you know it just your lungs and the vapor lock up and for some reason oxygen and transfer decides to your brain forgets how to breathe and it just you kind of just go err so yeah it is always best if you're able to control that uh because I felt bad you know and you feel bad when that happens and it's not necessarily the size of the joint it's just not necessarily how you do it in the exhale and the inhale

3:45:13Ryan Dank AfExactly. I did it to my friend the other day with a, I just got a V2 Carta, the Focus Carta dab or, you know, vape thing. And I had it upstairs with my friend and he took a big hole on it, like, you know, a big deep one and it got him too right away. So it's just, it's just what you're used to, the way that you inhale, right?

3:45:37BubblemanBut I have, I've given these micro dabs to like, like elderly people that have never used cannabis before. And I think there's only a small percentage of people that can understand in order to give a micro dab, You basically need a pin. Anything that's thicker, even a toothpick will pull too much and give like literally four or five times too much to the person. But if you can somehow control that dab, And I suspect that if there was a piece of equipment that existed where it was just a little handheld thing, watch, it'll be less than two years before this is out.

3:46:09BubblemanThis is happening right now on Ash Church. I guarantee it. But a little dispenser that had two different chambers, maybe a chamber that, you know, held material and then a lower chamber that Thank you for joining us.

3:46:37BubblemanSo I tell people all the time, look, I can give you 10 mini micro tiny dabs, but I can't take back half of one too big dab.

3:46:52Etienne FontanCan you explain what vapor lock is? Because people are talking about in the chat like, oh, that's what it's called. Can you explain what that is? Because you coined that phrase when that happened to you. After you were able to catch your breath and I've carried that lingo with me.

3:47:06Ryan Dank AfSo probably just so high. That's what I said. But it was yeah, it's essentially when you do such a huge amount of dab like What's happening is, look, you've got the inside of your lungs, right? You can kind of think of it like a windshield, right? And when you take a sticky substance and you just splatter it all across the windshield, especially if there's, you know, even on the micro, micro level that you get with the vapor, it's still a mist, right?

3:47:37Ryan Dank AfIt's still like essentially a condensate. And so when you inhale it, it coats the inside of your lungs, at least for the moment before there's, You know, you start having transfer of the THC across the membrane, right? And if, you know, you're not that you're coating the whole windshield, but like you're taking up a significant amount of the surface area. So for a moment you have less oxygen transfer, right?

3:48:05Ryan Dank AfSo if you're really, if you're really taking large, large doses, which often happens when other people are controlling the size of the dose, Yeah, you can...

3:48:14BubblemanEspecially if it's Sam controlling the size of the dose.

3:48:18Ryan Dank AfYeah, well, and that, this has also happened, you know? Like, you were just saying it right now, it's the easiest thing to titrate, but it's the hardest thing to dispense. And that's one of the things that's kept it so, made cannabis, I mean, Ari used to talk about this a long time ago. But it's one of the things that has kept cannabis out of the pharmacopoeia, is that it's fat-soluble and alcohol-soluble and not water-soluble.

3:48:42Ryan Dank AfAnd temperature, and especially with refined oils and stuff, I mean, it's so temperature dependent on how it flows and the thickness and the viscosity of the oil and how you can put it through a syringe or a dosing device.

3:48:55BubblemanAnd how that changes depend on the THCA content and the content of aromatics like that. Nothing stays the same. It's all ever changing variables.

3:49:07Ryan Dank AfYeah. So I question whether somebody will have the device in two years, right? It's like maybe you have the device for rosin or for wax or for something else. But as you know, too, like even, you know, I like those new little blade. I haven't got one yet. But those little blade tools where you heat it, you dab into the. Yeah, there you go. It's essentially a mini soldering iron really is what it is with a carbon tip or, you know, whatever the material is.

3:49:31BubblemanBut a flashlight for down in the dark.

3:49:35Ryan Dank AfThere you go. Can't get caught in the dark. But like even that, you know, when you're putting it in the tool and you're heating it up, The surface now changes for the next time that it gets heat up and heated up, right? And so there's always this, and it's the Chaz. It's essentially the Chaz of the banger. It's like, there's always some little remnants of the cannabinoid mixture and the, you know, the plant mixture, the hash mixture that we're not dealing with.

3:50:02Ryan Dank AfWe can't totally clean off.

3:50:04SpeakerAnd then what you want is you want the equivalent of a micro pipette.

3:50:12Ryan Dank AfYeah, but how do you keep it flowing? How do you keep it flowing through that? Especially like Marcus is saying, when the solvent... You have to feed and cobalt and have a small area that heats up.

3:50:24BubblemanI don't know how you would do it in a way. Maybe it's a very small device. It's definitely... Who knows? It's going to be a big one because it's easy to do 10 and 20 milligrams. It's harder to do like 0.05 milligram. Like something just so tiny that when I show it to people who puff, they're just like, oh my God, I can do like 300 of those for sure.

3:50:47SpeakerYeah.

3:50:48BubblemanAnd it's like in the meantime, the person who I'm giving it to, well, most people aren't perfect on a dab that size. They usually take two to three of them. But there has been the odd person that said, and I see in them right away, they relieved that they got over this obstacle, this thing that was kind of scary, that was just like unknown. And they got to taste it.

3:51:09BubblemanNo matter what, that's really what I'm kind of going for with a microdose. I'm like, did you taste it? And I always tell them the same thing and none of them listen. I always say blow it out right away. Inhale it and then blow it out right away. You would not believe that 100% of people do not blow it out right away. They hold it in. And that is why it's even more difficult to give the proper microdose because if you give them one that's a little too big and they blow it out right away, they'll be fine.

3:51:33BubblemanBut if it's a little bit too big and they don't blow it out right away, they're going to be like overly high for 45 minutes.

3:51:39SpeakerI prefer smaller dabs, absolutely. But that said, I can remember the time Rob Clark took...

3:51:52BubblemanThanks for telling this story. I was going to ask you to tell this story, by the way.

3:51:57SpeakerOkay. What it was, it was what was called a honey oil pipe, which is like a ball at the end with a long stem coming off of it with a little tiny hole at the top of the round ball so that you don't have to actually put the flame to it at all. You heat the glass underneath. And just for the fuck of it. Half of the story is the look on Sam's face when he does the... Yeah, but what we did was we weighed one gram of 99.9 dry seed, put it in the bowl, and so that was, yeah, a really lot of THC.

3:52:51SpeakerAnd we took it.

3:52:56SpeakerAnd I lit it for him, and he exhaled up first and took basically the whole hit in one draw, which was probably in the low 80% THC, a full gram of it. And then he tried to take a breath, and he couldn't. He went, beep, beep.

3:53:21Ryan Dank AfYeah, it's vapor lock.

3:53:24SpeakerIt was like that for more than a minute. And I thought I was going to be remembered as the guy who killed the first guy with cannabis.

3:53:39BubblemanWell, you could have been. If you could have done it, you definitely would have been that guy, dude.

3:53:45SpeakerYes, but luckily, just before he passed out, he was able to start taking little tiny breaths of air because I think he coated the entire surface of all his lungs with, you know, a film of THC. Yeah.

3:54:10BubblemanYou knock people unconscious with just small bowls, little tiny pipefuls on a screen with a match. Unconscious, dude.

3:54:20SpeakerPeople just like... Oh no, I saw it all the time, but my goal was never to knock people out, to be honest.

3:54:30BubblemanNor was mine, but I bet you knocked more people out than I did. Thank you for watching.

3:54:51BubblemanI felt like the black move in on either side and I felt everything's getting like tighter and I was just like, oh, dude, all of it. While it was happening, I look up at you and you've got the bong in your hand loaded and you're like, have another. Oh, my God. And I took another bong rip while I was feeling that way. And I'll be honest, it totally brought me back.

3:55:21BubblemanIt saved me, I think, from from becoming unconscious because that was I just never been that high in my life.

3:55:28SpeakerI know I've told the stories many times, but it was I myself personally, like smaller hits, but lots of them.

3:55:38BubblemanYes, totally. Yes, yes.

3:55:41Etienne FontanAll but extremely potent. Yeah, the first time I smoked with you and old Ed at Positronics, I had the same sensation. I got the wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, and the very tightening. Yeah, I can also agree with you 100%, Marcus.

3:56:01Ryan Dank AfI remember having that moment at the party house with Sam and Marcus. And yeah, we were up on the third floor. No, second floor. It was the second floor. And just that little star blue pipe.

3:56:22SpeakerWhen I was younger, my motto used to be always too much. But I still kind of agree with that, but in small doses.

3:56:34Ryan Dank AfYeah. Well, I remember that having that same moment, just being so high and looking up and you're like right in my face going, are you still smoking? Oh my God, dude.

3:56:44BubblemanThose were the good old days. Who would have known that those were the good old days, man? Yeah.

3:56:55Ryan Dank AfYeah.

3:56:56SpeakerI like the package party house because the cannabis cups there, the rest of the building was a police station.

3:57:05Ryan Dank AfRight. I remember that underneath. That's right. Yeah, those were the those were the days that I went to the cannabis cup. Really? It was good. Good set of years.

3:57:19BubblemanYou know, I kept going. I kept going. They were busting people at years and then it was changing. I went to the Cambodia Cup, the one where it was across from the milk bag and it was on like the third floor. But there was like holes in the concrete that you could fall through multiple floors that they had just like kind of put boxes around. And there was one elevator and like the elevator was like.

3:57:43Bubbleman800 kilos or something, some stupid low number. And every American dude that was there was 300 pounds. There's like hundreds of us. And going up was no problem. But when we all tried to go down, holy fuck, it took hours to get everyone down this fucking elevator because there was no staircase. It was just an elevator. And it was like six people or something or five people that could go on it at once.

3:58:10BubblemanIt was insane.

3:58:10Ryan Dank AfJesus Christ.

3:58:12BubblemanThat was one of the last years. It was a guy who owns the mailbag. He couldn't do it there anymore, but he was like, I have a warehouse that I store things across the street. And I'll never forget it because the floors were like a foot and a half thick of concrete and there was holes in them that were like four feet by two feet or three feet.

3:58:31BubblemanLike you'd die if you fell in this hole. And I'm just like, I'm like, this isn't a good, like, Lining up of like people getting, people are passing out on stable ground at the Cannabis Cup. You don't want to put like holes that go down multiple floors. That just seemed like an, now luckily no one ever perished, but I did hear that it took them like, like some godly, like three hours plus to get everyone that was upstairs.

3:58:59BubblemanThat's how many people they took that went up there to get them down. Super slow elevator too. Not even an elevator, a lift. One of those them there Dutch lifts. Fit like three Canadians.

3:59:17Etienne FontanThose are the Schindler's. Those are the Schindler's lifts. Schindler's lifts.

3:59:25BubblemanInteresting. I watched your video where you had like 30 bags you pressed Marcus. Yes, that sounds like the video where I pressed a half pound of Where Is My Bike into 60 grams of flour rosin. And that video to this day is the most watched video on my channel. 4.7 million views on that video. Had they allowed me, had they allowed me to monetize my channel back then, That one video would be worth $79,900.

4:00:05BubblemanThat's what I would have paid for that video had they allowed cannabis to be monetized. My channel's views currently, which are 20 something million, Would be $360,000 of monetization that I never gave. Not only did they not give me that, they never gave me my button that you get when you get to 100,000 subscribers. They were like, no, we're not sending that. You're a cannabis account. And Remo's the same way, obviously.

4:00:33BubblemanYou're supposed to get these at all your different milestones. So just one more thing. They're taken away from the cannabis market. Influencer or whatever you call us.

4:00:43Ryan Dank AfWe're going to have to buy one off of eBay and send you one.

4:00:47BubblemanI'll get Mr. Beast to send me one. He's got like 8,000 of them.

4:00:53Ryan Dank AfSomebody's got to be selling one.

4:00:54BubblemanI bet you they are. Yeah, you know how you want it. You want to get the one that you earned. No, you want to get the one that you earned.

4:01:01Ryan Dank AfNo, you cannot have. You are cannabis. No, not for you.

4:01:04BubblemanYou are not allowed to have it. Listen, I want to thank everyone for coming out today. 300 people still watching live in the room. Chat and Bingo Lombardi holding it down. Camden Fragman, Full Melt Phil, John Maddox, Diana Amsterdam. Much love to everyone for spending the last part of the year with us here. We've got maybe one or two more hash church, maybe one actually for this year.

4:01:28BubblemanAnd then the next one will be, I'm trying to figure out whether I'm going to do 6.0 or if I'm just going to leave that behind and call the next one season 11. Which is the 11th year that we've been doing it for. So it might jump to season 11. Don't be confused if it does. But yeah, just thank everyone for coming and sharing their time with us.

4:01:47BubblemanAppreciate each and every one of you. Wade, as always, thank you so much for really bringing up the right parts of the conversation. Sometimes we need guidance and you're always here for us. Skunk Man Sam, I know you're not feeling good, brother, but I'm really glad that you can. I was super sad when Diana said you might not make it today. I'm glad you came, man. I hope you're feeling better.

4:02:09BubblemanYeah, much love to everybody.

4:02:12SpeakerI'm laying in bed and I'm getting by.

4:02:15BubblemanGood. Well, that's better than laying in bed and not getting by. So we'll be sending our thoughts and prayers and blowing smoke signals towards you throughout the week. Hopefully we'll see everyone again next week. I don't know if there'll be a planned show or not for the end of the year. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, may the full melt bless your bowls sooner than later.