New Year's Church

0:22BubblemanHey, everybody. Happy New Year 2025. Welcome to Hash Church Season 11, Episode 1. We did a little jump. I'm not going to lie. We were at 5.0 and we went to 11. 5.0, 4.0, 3.0, 2.0. These were...

0:42BubblemanYou know, they weren't, the first Hash Church went for, I think, four or five years. I took a break. I did Hash Point 2.0. I took a little break again. We did 3.0. So anyway, just so you're not confused, we're now in season 11. I'm going to let in some of the folks that are sitting and waiting in the room. But yeah, Happy New Year and welcome, everybody.

1:00BubblemanOh, we got a bunch of people here already available this morning. Welcome, everybody. Welcome, Nickity.

1:07Nikka TGreetings, Brett.

1:10BubblemanPuffing on that doobie.

1:12Nikka TNo, Blessed Rising.

1:15BubblemanYes, yes. Welcome to Caitlin from High Fidelity. Representing with the feminine energy in the hash making world. We appreciate you. We appreciate you, Caitlin. Get yourself in there. She's trying to get her connection and make the audio work. I know it well. Welcome, Hemp Guy, Mr. Skunk Man Sam in the house early on a Sunday morning. Really? Probably 6 p.m. in Amsterdam. Yabba yabba is right. And we've got Steven Philpot Jr. back in the house.

1:53BubblemanHe's connecting to audio. He was a wonderful guest the other day. I remember ATN introducing him as studying trichomorphology. And I was like, wow, what can you really study? But wow, Steven, let us know what you can really study. He had amazing photos from the electron scan microscope. And we went into that a little bit. So that was really fun. We got about 50 people live right now.

2:17BubblemanI'm sure that'll climb pretty good in the chat. Hello to Persephone Lux and Buddy Weeds and Lord Sav, John Maddox and Sam Seth, Arne, Arne Casper Samuelson. Welcome, brethren. And of course, Bingo Lombardi holding it down in the chat room. I guess we got Wolverine Dabs and Etienne Fontaine. Today's church, I invited a ton of you guys. There's about 30 of us that I invited. I'm not sure if we'll get all of that or if we'll get a fraction of that or what.

2:48BubblemanBut I thought kind of a fun New Year's church would be to just have everyone come in, talk about what they did for New Year's, talk about the hash that they're smoking, and most importantly, talk about the... The vision for 2025. And I think, you know, we make up a big chunk of the hash community. Wow, you can always tell when Etienne is in a different place than his normal hash church place.

3:16BubblemanI can tell, dude, you look fresh. You look like you're somewhere different. Are you somewhere different?

3:22Etienne FontanI am somewhere different. I'm away for the new year and just relaxing and enjoying. But yeah, it's good to be here. It's good to see a lot of familiar faces and welcome to 2025.

3:36BubblemanHell yeah. Welcome, welcome as well. Welcome to you, Belle. Nice to see you. Hi.

3:42SpeakerHow's it going? Thanks for having me.

3:45BubblemanDude, awesome. Representing too. I like, you know, low key repping the jujitsu constantly. Good for you.

3:52SpeakerYeah. Oh yeah. That's always been a, that was part of my life before it was part of hash making. So it's not going anywhere.

4:01BubblemanI'm sure you've taken the discipline that you learned in jujitsu and transferred it over into the hash making world.

4:09SpeakerDefinitely. And I'll tell you what, Marcus tells you not to give up. Really? It, Like our industry is really hard. It can be very defeating. You know, it can be, you can go through your torch and pitchforks on both sides, you know, and it can be discouraging.

4:26BubblemanWe've all tapped out. Trust me.

4:28SpeakerYeah. Yeah. Yeah. I come close a lot. And that's the thing. You just can't give up. You can't let people grind you down. And it's the hardest of hardest situations, man, when you're getting like manhandled or womanhandled. I was like, oh my God, that woman just handled me. She picked me up and handled me. It really humbles you. It humbles you a lot. It's hot in the room.

4:55SpeakerSomebody's pushing on you. You're under a lot of pressure. Sometimes you can't even breathe. You're in a lot of pain, but you got to push through and persevere. And just keep going. And sometimes you it's unbelievable what the human spirit can can achieve. Like you think you're just done for. And then all of a sudden, your tiny little opening. And that's the same for hash making is like, dude, I'm just done.

5:20SpeakerI don't even know why the fuck I do this anymore. But like, you know, there's somebody that comes up to you like this girl one time was like, you know, you're the reason I make hash bill. I was like, okay. You know, like that's why we do it. We do it so we can pass on the knowledge so we can keep on going, you know?

5:39BubblemanAbsolutely. There's something very, there's something very important about the humility aspect of life. And it seems like the more we practice humility, I guess the, I don't know, it's just easier when you practice humility. I think it was a Mike Tyson quote, which obviously came after he licked the butane, the frog, the MEO frog, the buphotine frog, calling it a butane frog, that's pretty funny. That's cool.

6:10BubblemanBut he said, if you are not humble in this world, this world will dress humility upon you. And I was like, damn. I mean, before that, before he, he licked the, the B-14 frog, it was, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. That was like the original Mike Tyson quote. And then it like got all, got all deep, right? Right. That was like old school Mike, but then it got deep and it got psychedelic and it got like, you know, out of the shallows.

6:39BubblemanAnd it's, it's very true. If you are not humble in this world, this world will dress humility upon you. So, um, It's not a bad thing to practice. Have some humble pie. And if you eat humble pie, you might not have to eat big plate loads of shit. That's my advice to the world for 2025. Yeah.

7:01SpeakerI actually copyrighted Humility.

7:05BubblemanOf course you did. Of course you did, Sam. We appreciate that. Oh, what's everyone smoking today? I got some beautiful things. First, I got this like, I guess this would be considered an elite back from the day, the old mothership ball rig. I had a little buddy. He's got like seven of these things. They're just not quite where I'm sure this thing must have cost like $25,000 when it was originally purchased.

7:28BubblemanIt's probably worth like five or 6,000 now. But I have to say it has been a beauty for puffing out of. I've got a ton of full melt bubble. I've got some 90 micron death bubba. I've got some 90 micron event horizon, which that event horizon is quite lovely. I believe it's from Exotic Genetics. And then I've got some Masterpiece 90 Micron, and then I got a couple of Yeezy OGs and an MK Ultra, all sieved, air dried, you know, six star, melt into nothing.

8:04BubblemanI just haven't had a ton of melty bubble in my life lately, and it's so good to have it back. I just want everyone to have Melty Hash all the time. That is my dream. Everyone needs it. Even if you still want to smoke Spliffs and BHO and whatever else you're enjoying in your life, at least have some Full Melt Dry Sift or some Full Melt Bubble in the quiver.

8:33BubblemanThat's what I would say to that. I also want to welcome Logan into the room, Wolverine Dabs, one of our young hash makers who's, you know, making waves and making us think and showing us different things. He had those amazing photos you showed with the crystallized gland heads. I love that in all the years that I've been doing this, and certainly it's a fraction of the years that Sam's been doing this, There's just still new things to see.

8:58BubblemanThere's new things to be unveiled. And I really have an appreciation for you for doing that, Logan.

9:07LoganYeah, and I've scheduled to go back to Oregon as well to go get my hands on that same strain so we can get some data, we can test it, all of that.

9:17BubblemanOh, nice. That's the one that sort of just crystallized the heads and turned them into dust.

9:22LoganYeah, the Tropsantos.

9:24BubblemanI wonder if there was like a particular pH of water that was used to wash that and whether or not that pH had anything to do with that process.

9:34LoganWell, it was all dry sifted.

9:36BubblemanIt was dry sifted. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, wild. Wow, very cool.

9:40LoganYeah, so I'm excited to go back down there, get my hands on the same pheno and see if it replicates it. Otherwise, if it doesn't replicate it, then it had something to do with the grow environment or the age of the trichomes as well.

9:52BubblemanOr just one of the other 10,000 variables.

9:55LoganYeah, exactly.

9:57BubblemanNick is laughing because it's like, holy shit, it's true. You start when you're young, you're just so like, yeah, man. And then you start realizing, oh, my God, how many variables could there possibly be? Oh, geez, man, it really could be. Hey, I wanted to welcome Dr. Mark Sheldon and to say a heartwarming happy birthday to the Hash Church alumni. Dude, four nights at Madison Square Garden with fish.

10:24BubblemanSend it. Sending me videos, dude. Thank you. You know how many friends I have at Fish and there's only one who sends me perfectly like filmed multi-minute videos, no shaking, no, you know he's tripping, you know he's stoned out of his gourd and he's just filming these perfect videos and I'm like, Thank you, Mark. Happy birthday.

10:46DrNo problem. No problem. Yeah. Views from Section 109, man. You know, as you call it, the most incredible arena in the world, the most famous arena in the world. I don't know. Madison Square Garden is just an incredible room. And man, they killed it, Marcus. They kill it every time in there. They really do. It's just so much fun. And shout out to I met some hash makers there.

11:14DrWho I introduced Hash Church to. So Rob, who works at the mid station at Stratton Mountain here in Vermont. Hey, Rob, I hope you're watching. Hope you're learning all kinds of cool stuff. But yeah, Marcus, it's so cool, man. I can't wait till I look in the seat next to me and see you.

11:37DrSo let's make it happen in 2025, bro.

11:41BubblemanI won't be in the seat. I'll actually be on the ground in front of the seat doing a psychedelic seizure.

11:49DrYou'll be floating in midair, right?

11:52BubblemanOh my God. Listen, it's been a very long time. And for those of you that don't know, I'm a huge fish head. Fish is a huge part of my life. I made it happen in the early or mid 90s, late 90s, and it just sort of petered out. It's literally been I don't know, 20 to 25 years since I saw a fish show, which is, I feel like out of all the things I got robbed from this record, from having a record and not being allowed into the US, I feel like the Grateful Dead and Fish were some, I mean that and obviously my community, all of you guys that I could be visiting and go and make cash with Bell down in California and go see Nick at Tea and go see, I just, I can't, Aaron Weissman, Ed.D.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.S.

12:58DrAsh Church, you know, it's like, oh, there's Dr. Mark, man. And people would like lay stuff on me, even like Sam, who's in the chat right here. He's like, oh, I saw him at BizCon, you know, and whenever I see people, they're always so gracious about, you know, well, it's, you know, we've had a tremendous reach in this program. You know what? We're 10, 11 years old now.

13:24DrThis is incredible, right? And I'll go back to our late departed friend, Horatio, who first introduced me to you and invited me into the room and said, Tony Verzura is talking shit on terpenes. You need to come in here and clean this conversation up. But yeah, man, it's been a long, strange trip. But Marcus, now that you're back and you're able to come to the United States, dude, let's seriously put some plans together to to go on fish tour this year.

14:00DrAnd maybe we could even do it over a weekend where we could do a hash church episode from like a hotel room in between shows or something. You know, let's see if we can do that, buddy. I would be the thrill of my lifetime.

14:13BubblemanI'm so in. I'm so in. Now, there will be about half of Toronto's Jewish community with us on that tour. I've promised all of them already. My dear friend, Alison Gordon and Amy Weinstein and all those just absolute awesome tripper. I mean, it was Alison Gordon who got me on. She got me to try and go down to Portland for the The Legends of Hash that I did with Addison down there.

14:38BubblemanSo that's when I actually, I was at the border. I was at US Customs. Allison was like already went through. You have to know Allison, but it was like her will is so strong. She has this incredible will that when she wants to do something, it always gets done. So when US Customs started to deny me, her head literally started to explode. She's walking back and forth.

15:00BubblemanShe's kind of already cleared Customs and... Amanda needs to bugger off, but she doesn't. And she stands there for the entire hour and a half that I'm delayed, staring through the glass at me. You know, the customs are kind of like, hey, you got to go. And she's like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm waiting for my friend. And then finally, when they deny me, she's like, well, I'm not getting on my plane.

15:20BubblemanAnd they're like, well, you're already in the US, basically. Like, you can't, you can't come back. It's not allowed. Well... They had not met Alison Gordon. She absolutely came back. She did not get on that flight. And she ended up driving me home later that day. So we were going to go see Dead & Co at the Sphere. She had tickets for us at the Sphere right after Portland.

15:40BubblemanSo she's going to be with us on that little tour. I should welcome Davis Allen, another young dude who's doing some good things here in British Columbia. He's been on Hash Church at least one or two times with us. How are you doing, Davis?

15:56Davis AllenDoing pretty good. Doing pretty good. It's been an amazing start to the year for sure.

16:00BubblemanWhere are you at right now?

16:02Davis AllenI'm just finishing up one of the projects at UBC. And then again, just at the family's property right now.

16:08BubblemanOh, like on Bowen?

16:09Davis AllenYeah, yeah.

16:10BubblemanBowen Island, yeah. Davis is on the most amazing little island that's like just outside of Vancouver. It's just across the ocean from my little place in Lions Bay. He's on a little island called Bowen Island and it's surrounded by like whales and dolphins and it's just one of the special, and he grew up there, which is kind of like, An anomaly. You know, you meet a ton of people that live on Bowen Island, but they could literally be from anywhere else in the world other than British Columbia.

16:40BubblemanBut Davis is one of the lucky ones. He got to grow up there. So you're doing the UBC project still?

16:46Davis AllenYeah, so we're finishing up the fertility project currently. We're just starting to measure all the plants, check how many seeds are developed from different varieties and crosses. And then we're going to be starting some new projects, hopefully in the next few months here.

17:01BubblemanI think that you and Stephen Philpott should exchange numbers and link up. I think you guys would really have some great synergies. You're both brilliant. You're both uber focused. And I think what he's doing and what you're doing, There'll somehow be some synergies in there. So make sure that I put you guys together. I only met Stephen recently through Etienne, who brought him in, who also brought in Caleb Chen today.

17:27BubblemanSo I want to welcome Caleb. How are you doing, Caleb? I don't think we've ever met, but welcome to Hash Church.

17:35CalebIt's great to be here. Thank you very much for the invite. Happy New Year, everybody.

17:41DrHow are you?

17:41CalebHow are you doing, Mark?

17:43DrAll right. Good to see you, Caleb. I'll let you tell the story, Caleb. Again, we were just talking about this, getting called out at meetings and public events for being on Hash Church. But go ahead, Caleb.

17:55CalebYeah, at MJ BizCon last month, I ran into Dr. Scaldone there and was able to share some of the Vietnamese hash from First Cut Farms with him.

18:05DrSo good.

18:07CalebIt's a very, very fun time.

18:10DrWe stunk up the joint, man. Remember that? Was it a joint that you smoked with me? Right. Yeah, we rolled some hash holes. Hash hole, okay, yeah.

18:21SpeakerJust a shout out to First Cut Farms there. Thank you for shouting him out. That guy's a legend. Jerry, just shout out to you, man. That was Dennis Perrone's, one of Dennis Perrone's growers. So, yeah. Thank you for always keeping it medicinal, Jerry. If you're watching, I appreciate you guys very much. Sorry to cut you guys off.

18:44CalebOkay.

18:46Etienne FontanYeah, Caleb's part of our science group, and he's one of the young, another one of the young brilliant scientists, social scientists around cannabis. He's been doing a fascinating research, his own personal research on music, genetics, and how they have intertwined. Do you want to explain a little bit of that, Caleb, for the public?

19:10CalebSure. So I'm sitting here at Cal Poly Humboldt in the cannabis studies lab. And I'm a master's in public sociology student. And this is, you know, it's not a wet lab. It's not like a hash lab, like, Bell gets to work with Down at Heritage. It's not like a lab where we can touch cannabis or do any breeding like Davis Allen can do up at UBC. And so, you know, in the sociology department, this is, though, the very first cannabis studies program in the whole world.

19:40CalebAnd so there's, you know, there's cohorts of cannabis studies bachelors. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

20:12CalebDefinitely, there's a connection there that you can straight up track which cultivars have been popular where, where they first popped up. All this sort of stuff is just sitting there on the internet archives in lyric databases. And there's all sorts of insights into our cannabis culture that can be shared with that, you know, not just in hip hop or through fish or the Grateful Dead or there's Literally anything and everything y'all can think of, including I've learned about some like hash music from Greece.

20:45CalebYeah.

20:47BubblemanI was playing some at IT actually.

20:52BubblemanThat's really cool. This must be right up your alley, Nickity, because you've been doing music for so long. What a cool concept. So what exactly is it that you're connecting? Is it like frequencies and vibrations, or is it like, oh, certain areas have certain cultivars, and they also have certain music? Are you putting these sort of underlining connections that other people haven't made so far? What's the sort of thesis of the work?

21:18CalebYeah, so one... Presentation I'm going to be making in March at the Pacific Sociological Association Conference in San Francisco is titled How Caliweed Became a World Star. A lyrical analysis of hip hop songs from 1980s to 2020s. And basically by searching on lyrical databases for the words Callie Weed, I found 240 source songs that mentioned Callie Weed in the lyrics directly. And if I were to ask everyone here, like, you know, what country you think those songs are from, the majority of them, what would people guess?

21:58SpeakerUSA.

22:02CalebSo for the last 10 years, most songs mentioned in Calliweed are actually coming out of Germany.

22:08BubblemanOh shit. That's hilarious. Really interesting. And how that's like German hip hop and German reggae and stuff like Seed, the band Seed with three E's. Yeah. Those guys are great.

22:21CalebYeah, and those are just like the explicit mentions of Cali weed, you know, and that is, as many people here know, it's kind of an older slang term now. On hash shirts, people might know about Cali plates, which is, you know, where things are moving to, and there's lyrical references to that too.

22:40BubblemanLove it, love it. That's so cool, dude. I'm just going to rip a dab here.

22:46DrI just wanted to finish up the story when Caleb came and got me high at BizCon. OK, here is the three people or the four of us that were sitting at the bench. It was Murphy Murray. Right. Was Mayabi there? No, it was Twinkle. Twinkle, right? Twinkle from Abstracts, myself and Caleb, right? So we're sitting, we're sitting out on this bench and it's basically known, well, it's a weed conference, so people are probably going to just step outside the door and start smoking and everything.

23:18DrBut there was this kind of maintenance crew that was sitting on a fork truck that was just across the way from us. And I think we didn't have a lighter. Did we, Caleb? Did we have to ask those gentlemen for a lighter?

23:30CalebAnd they had one.

23:32DrAnd they had one because they were all smoking cigarettes, right? We light up this this this torch and it just it just was stinky to all hell but yeah it was great weed it got me totally high and yeah i want to appreciate you caleb for reaching out to me and that was a a fun little interaction that we had there and i think i took a bunch of photos from it So if you reach back out to me, I could send you some of the photos.

23:59DrSo I think, yeah, there was a photo of me, you, Mary and Twinkle sitting there getting high outside BizCon right after my talk, I think. Was that after? Yeah, it was just after. Yeah. So I gave a talk there, Marcus, on... Thank you for watching.

24:36DrThanks for watching. We'll see you next time.

24:54DrYeah, I mean, it's as, you know, many people would say, it's the proverbial race to the bottom, you know, and what the cannabis industry has turned into. I'm thinking about JJ's post on Facebook from a Steve, Brett Maverick, Brian Schroeder, Brownie Mary, Chemdog, Cherry Blossom, Cheryl T Rose, Chip, Chris Bennett. Steve, Brett Maverick, Brian Schroeder, Brownie Mary, Chemdog, Cheryl T Rose, Chip, Chris Bennett.

25:30DrAgain, I think I had reported back on BizCon this year being kind of like pre-roll con. Everything was about pre-rolls. Everything was about pre-rolls. There's like every three booths or every like third booth was either selling tubes or custom papers or pre-roll machines or all about pre-rolls. And I think the majority of those companies are using the cheapest machines. Thank you for watching.

26:15BubblemanYou know, I got into this pretty hardcore, not quite right away. I smoked my first joint at 14, but by 17, I was definitely like both feet in, like flipping pounds and like just going as deep as I possibly could. And I think that now, because it's not illegal, people can get into it, but they can stay shallow. They don't have to go so deep and be like, oh, wow, this isn't allowed.

26:38BubblemanWhat else am I not allowed to know about this, right? They're just like, and so it's going to take a while. I feel for you because I can hear your heart breaking when you say what you just said. And I know all of our hearts break for that too, but we just have to remain resilient and stay true to our path and continue with quality and purity and the education because I just, I can't believe that And personally, I'm good with a smaller percentage of the market.

27:05BubblemanIf I can just feed a small group of people who are really happy to receive what I'm putting out there, then that's good enough for me. And the world is so big, Mark. It's so big. Like Canada did like 3.5 billion in cannabis. We're not even a big cannabis market. Michigan alone did like 200 million. More than the Canadian cannabis market in an entire year. And that's just Canada and Michigan.

27:30BubblemanYou got like all these other states and countries and it's just going to grow and grow and grow. And unfortunately, if you just want to make a ton of money and you want to, I mean, fuck, it's almost sick. But if you were like a hurting scene and you wanted to start an amazing brand and you really believed in it, You should almost start a brand that sells floor sweepings, distillate, and botanical terpenes in pre-rolled joints with the thickest, nastiest paper you could possibly imagine.

27:59BubblemanMake it real ugly, gaudy packaging. You'll have the number one brand in the country.

28:03Nikka TAnd genetics, because they don't track seeds still. They don't really track pollen.

28:08Etienne FontanAnd stop, please, everybody. Can we stop with the cone pre-rolls? They royally suck. And about a half inch to an inch above it, it gets so clogged. Can we just go back to the, if you're gonna, if you have to do pre-rolls, you son of a bitches, can you at least make it regular and even like how they do with cigarettes so that people can get an even at least hit if you have to fucking go there?

28:32Etienne FontanI'd prefer you fucking not, but can you stop with the fucking cones, you motherfuckers? I hate you all.

28:37BubblemanI, I, I think of the pre-rolls as like fishing lures, right? You're just out there looking to like get people into weed. Like, check this out. It's just like, I'm not overly confident smoking full mouth bubble with people that have never smoked cannabis. I've done it. Thank you for watching.

29:11BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

29:36BubblemanI can't ungive it to you. You're going to be high for like at least 45 minutes to an hour. And I just although for whatever reason, I think I thought it was hilarious in my 20s. I'm just like offended by it in my 50s. I'm just like this is knocking people out and making people uncomfortable is the worst thing you could do for the extracts world. Now, if you're begging for it and you're saying, hey, I want to be uncomfortably high.

30:04BubblemanOh, my God. Deliver that guy. A half gram hot dab. You know, he just asked for it. Give it to him. But otherwise.

30:13DrWell, pull back, Mello. Another another trend that's happening down here, and even though it's still a small market sector, it's growing exponentially is is beverage and beverage doesn't give a shit about strain. All they need is 10 milligrams of THC and they don't care where that THC came from, whether it came from a Thank you for watching.

30:50DrThe nano emulsification of THC now gives them just another ingredient to drop in to their big production, right?

30:59BubblemanIt also state, well, I wouldn't say it completely stabilizes. It's the most stable cannabis product. It's like they want to stabilize flour and hash and oils, but you can't. You can slow it down and put it in a cold chain, but it's not stable. It's literally volatile. That's the word used to describe it. It's not stable. It's the opposite.

31:22DrBut where they have considerable tailwinds pushing them into this market is they have these huge distribution channels, Marcus, and they're outside needing, you know, a cannabis license. So I can, in Minnesota, and I think now in Texas and a few other states, you can sell these things at the liquor stores, you know, 10 milligram drinks. And, you know... More, more than 10 milligrams, 1,500. But I mean, like, so...

31:52DrHow do you compete with that? You can't compete with that, right? Like, ATN, do you sell beverages at your store? I mean, do people come in and buy beverages there?

32:04Etienne FontanYeah. They do, but they can go up the street to BevMo and, you know, at the end of the aisle buy, you know, the same... Thanks for watching. See you next time.

32:38BubblemanYeah. One can, $8. Now listen to this. If you want to hear how fucked the Canadian cannabis regulatory framework is, was, whatever, it just shows you everything's topsy-turvy, like the same way, unfortunately, the police flip the law upside down, lawyers flip the law upside down, doctors flip health upside down. We're living in a topsy-turvy world. And so when cannabis became legal in Canada, the first thing to become a part of the cold chain where like you go into a store and there'd be like a little fridge and you'd be like, oh, they're keeping it cold.

33:11BubblemanThe only thing in the fridge was beverages with 10 milligrams of distillate. So no volatile organic compounds, no aromatic compounds, just distillate. And that's the only thing in the store that's cold. Everything else In on the shelves in the in the back is all at room temperature and the whole store of course reeks like weed and I'm like oh that smells so good and then the person behind the counter is like yeah doesn't it and then I'm like it's too bad it's not still in the product I was gonna buy and then they're like oh It's like that's one way of looking at it.

33:49BubblemanIt's like cold chain. I'd be in like the center of Canada in Saskatchewan and the guy would be like, well, that's expensive to keep it cold. And I'm like, bro, you live in Saskatchewan. It's like minus 40 degrees eight months of the year here. Just put a hole in your roof and pull the air from outside. Like it's the cold chain. If anything else, I pray that the cannabis industry figures out the cold supply chain because that's got to be That's a pretty difficult thing to work.

34:18BubblemanLike when you've done everything right from growing the cannabis to harvesting it, to processing it, to getting it packaged and ready for market. And then someone leaves that shit in a warehouse that's like 96 degrees in the shade for the weekend. And it's a long weekend. Go ahead.

34:38Nikka TIn Canada, you guys have like a central distro and I did some consulting for them on what temperatures they should be keeping their products at actually, you know, fairly recently. So hopefully that does change soon.

34:48BubblemanWell, they're all provincial too. So it's like you've got the AGCL and the ALG, that's the Alberta one. There's the OCS in Ontario. There's the BCLDB in British Columbia. Each province has their own one. And I know they're going to figure it out eventually. And I know it has to work because I know they do it for like spinach and cucumbers and tomatoes and shit. They don't just send that stuff at room temperature.

35:14BubblemanAnd there's very small margins on that product. Compared to the margins that are available on our product. So it has to be an affordable option. I mean, Caitlin, don't you want your shit to be preserved right to the day someone cracks it open and takes a rip?

35:30SpeakerSo bad. It drives me nuts. Somehow we ended up the lucky one in BC and the BC provincial board is the body that sells our product across the country. And for some reason they've chosen us as the ones that they're going to keep cold. Thank you so much for joining us.

36:10BubblemanIt would be a pretty crazy product if someone invented the stay cold jar that was some sort of like advanced technology, wasn't wasteful and detrimental to the environment because I can already see the comments in the YouTube page. But wow, wouldn't that just be a dream? You just had a jar and you could like just set the temperature on it. And whenever you opened it, it was just like a cool.

36:33BubblemanOh, that's honey bananas. That's nice.

36:37SpeakerWe're like, we have to do a significant amount of secondary packaging so I can send you my jar, but I can send it. It has to go in this because of all these warning labels. But maybe if this package could keep the jar cold, that would be pretty sweet.

36:49BubblemanIt'd be so sweet. Somehow, some way, it would be amazing.

36:55Nikka TDirect to consumer. I feel like it's the only way to really control. I teach my clients not to launch with melt or fresh press unless they have a direct to consumer model, just because there's no control over it unless you have that control. And as a hash maker, we need that control. So I feel like certain direct consumer models are the only way to go with those unstable products.

37:21BubblemanI will say that the Piatella, if you do have a six star and you want to stabilize it somewhat, if you turn it into Piatella, I mean, that's basically buttered out sugary resin.

37:33Etienne FontanIt's shippable, right?

37:36BubblemanI think it would be interesting. I had some on my counter here for months and it pretty much stayed. It dried out a little over time and became a little less turpy. But for the most part, it kept its sort of foamy, hashy look that...

37:51Nikka TWhich goes back to, you know, Temple Balls and a lot of the other technology in our history of being able to, you know, import, export, transport that material. That's why they were doing it that way. I feel like it just kind of is a nice throwback. I love that Piatella has kind of brought it back to the forefront.

38:12SpeakerThis might be my rose-tinted glasses, but I just miss that deli style. This is coming from someone who has a bunch of packaging like you guys. It's crazy. I miss...

38:27SpeakerHaving the relationship with the bud tender and they like you, so they'll give you the fat nug. They're like, I got you. I see that fat nug in that jar. Or, you know, like back in the day, you know, back in the day, people used to just cut our hash up for us. You know, you bring the ball. You sell the ball as is.

38:42Nikka TI miss doing that too, yeah.

38:44SpeakerYeah, I just want to sell the ball as is. And that is up to you how you store that. And if you fuck it up, that's not my problem.

38:52BubblemanYep. I have people all the time. Oh, how do you, you know, cure your hash? Like, do you cure it in the fridge? And I'll be like, well, that's more of a preserve in the fridge. But yeah, it depends on what you want to do. Like, do you want to off gas some of your volatile organic compounds because you think the ones underneath might be better? Or are you of the school that you want every last one?

39:15BubblemanI'm not wasting a single one of those. And those are very different schools and they're They're very stubborn, each side, like you can't convince one side of the other. They both, I'm kind of in the middle. I appreciate both sides. I do appreciate a very nice cured full mount or dry sift, but at the same time, I'll smash something that was freshly made and has all the caustic monoterps in there too, grabbing me by the back of my throat.

39:42BubblemanHey, what do y'all think about Argonne?

39:45Nikka TI know, you know, this is a solventless group, but I've been seeing a lot of really cool results from utilizing argon to remove oxygen in the environment and stop oxidization.

39:58Etienne FontanIt was originally a mix. People were talking 80% nitrogen, 20% CO2, but when they found

40:06Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

40:35Etienne FontanWe had cold chain and that 80-20 mix would stabilize.

40:41DrArgon is heavier than air, right? It'll push out the oxygen. Yeah, argon pushes out. So air is 79% nitrogen, right? So it's mostly nitrogen, what we're breathing. There's a little bit of oxygen in there, but... So argon in a container, like if you're flushing out a container, people like to blanket, you know, any product with, yeah, even flour. Hey, Nicka, it's good to see you again, buddy.

41:15SpeakerSo good to see you when you're up here in Vermont.

41:17DrIt's good to see your bearded face here on camera. Yeah, so argon, which is more expensive than nitrogen, is heavier. And so it'll actually volumetrically displace everything that's underneath it in a closed container. So it's just more efficient.

41:38Nikka TI've been using a lot of my cold cure in my parts. It's just... I don't know. I think for shelf stability, it's been a fun little new toy. Newer for me anyways.

41:49DrAbsolutely.

41:50BubblemanI used it 25 years ago in my dry suit for scuba diving in the Pacific Ocean in the winter. And so when you regulate with argon, because it's heavier, and this is weird because you're warmer with argon gas regulating your buoyancy compensator, which basically is your dry suit when you're dry suit diving. So yeah, I used argon. The ocean's really cold. Like it's cold on top, but when you go down like 20 or 30 feet, oof, it gets wicked, wicked cold.

42:27BubblemanSo yeah, dry suit, little argon in there. And I guess the heavier aspect of it just makes the air or the space between your body and the dry suit warmer than colder.

42:40DrYes. Nick, I have a question. One thing you have to be careful about, and we should make sure everyone knows about this, Thank you for joining us.

43:03DrAnd now it's going to take several breathing cycles for you to completely clean that room. So yes.

43:08Nikka TThis is why our dry sins are sealed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:13DrDo not breathe it.

43:14SpeakerNick, did you notice the people? I've seen lots of people knock themselves out with nitrous oxide from breathing it straight without taking a pause with oxygen. Yeah.

43:29BubblemanThat's a fish fished a lot.

43:32DrYeah, but they could have not only died from asphyxiation, you know, when you had trauma nitrous in your system, it starts affecting main brainstem function like your pulmonary function and your ability to breathe and your ability to.

43:49BubblemanSo here's here's a weird thing, Dr. Mark, when I broke my when I broke my collarbone about four months ago, I went to the hospital in Whistler. And she was like, oh, let me get you some pain meds. And I was like, oh, I don't I don't take those. And she's like, oh, she's like, this is a really painful break. I'm like, I know I did it on this side already.

44:08BubblemanAnd you guys told me the same thing. And we got our animals. I'm good or whatever. And she's like, OK, well, what about like, do you want some nitrous oxide? She's like, there's no amount you can do of that. That's too much. And she like wheels this nitrous oxide tank into my... And I've never used nitrous oxide as a pain relief, but holy shit, dude, this shit was...

44:33BubblemanI wasn't laughing. It just melted the shock. I was in total shock. It had happened like 20 minutes prior. So I was just like in shock. It melted the shock away. I just thought it was the strangest thing. She was like, here's the nitrous. And then she was like, and remember, there's no amount you can do that can kill you or something like that. Or I was just like, that's a weird thing.

44:53BubblemanAnd it's likely a blend.

44:55DrYou have some oxygen in there to make sure that you're not going to die. Maybe, probably. When it's medically administered. They don't kill people at hospitals.

45:06SpeakerIn America, dentists have used it for years.

45:10DrOh, yeah, absolutely. You got to also remember this just on the chemistry side of thing that any other combination. So nitrous oxide is N2O, but any other combination of nitrogen and oxygen is toxic. So NO2 is toxic. N2O2, toxic. All the other possible compounds you could make between nitrogen and oxygen are really bad for you. And the reason why it works on pain, Mark, is it does have some action at the...

45:44DrThank you so much for joining us.

46:03BubblemanI was hitting it. They were laughing because every time you hit it, it has a regulator mouthpiece that goes, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. So you can hear it throughout the whole. I'm like in a closed room and it started really like buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. And then at the end, it was like buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh

46:28BubblemanBubble Man getting down. Hey, I want to talk more about the Cali weed and music thing. I will tell you, Caleb, the most excited I ever was. I have a huge connection to reggae music. It's like my favorite music of all time. And so to have to be to be sung about in a reggae song was kind of like, OK, like when, who, who's going to drop it?

46:49BubblemanRight, Etienne? Right. So, yeah, I think I can't remember.

46:53Nikka TWell, I play that tune, isn't it? Loot and Fire, somebody from that camp.

46:58BubblemanLuton Fire did one. I think he did one called Sweet Trichome. Richie Spice did one called Dabbin, which is amazing because Richie Spice, the first time he ever went up to my rig in Kingston, it was the straight fab that actually this friend. He has that straight fab that I dabbed Richie out with in Jamaica. So the first time he ever saw it, he was, you know, Richie's kind of a quiet dude.

47:21BubblemanHe's just like kind of in the background, quiet. And we brought him up to the pipe and he didn't really know what to do. So he blew on it and the water came up out of the denail. It was a denail sick dish. So it was like it was no like if it was a sapphire. Thank you for watching.

47:52BubblemanWhich is definitely, I actually got to in Jamaica at a concert, go on stage with him and dab while he was singing that song. He's like, he's like, bubble man, come dab, dab up on stage. You know, while I sing the song, I was just like, this is fucking surreal. So how many different things like that did you look at, Caleb? Is it just Cali weed right now, sort of on the surface?

48:16BubblemanOr are you going a little deeper into sort of these certain terms that catch on? And Germany, of all places, that's interesting, which also has probably, I don't know what you would say, Nick, it's outside of California, one of the largest reggae followings on the planet. They got to be up there.

48:34Nikka TAnd Japan. I mean, Japan loves Bob Marley, but yeah, Germany is huge. Germany is huge for reggae. Like the pressings that I get from Germany, the seven inch pressings are always way more high quality than any U.S. pressing, any Jamaican pressing. German vinyl is of another level. They're real audio files that come out of, you know, German production, I feel. Yeah.

48:58BubblemanGerman audio files. German audio files.

49:01Nikka TFor real.

49:03BubblemanThat's what's up.

49:05SpeakerThe culture is pretty popular in Japan, actually. When I was a kid, I used to go shopping at these little Rasta stores in Japan. And it kind of, you wouldn't think, but yeah, to your point, Nick, like they really do love their reggae music and they're really good at it too. They have some really great groups that come out of Japan and Korea. I think at Sierra Nevada, I don't know if you were there, Nick, but one year at Sierra Nevada, there was this Korean, Reggae band.

49:34SpeakerAnd they, they just, they, they killed it. That was one of the best shows I've, I've seen, but I wish I can remember their name, but that was fun. Sierra Nevada is a really fun reggae festival that used to happen out here in Mendocino County.

49:50Nikka TWe've gone for two decades or some shit. It's really sad that it's not going to be happening anymore. But yes, here in Nevada was like my stomping grounds. I feel like that's probably where we met initially.

50:04SpeakerYeah, probably, probably.

50:06Nikka TWhen you were like little, little.

50:08SpeakerYeah, I was really young, you know, man, I, you know, like I was, I was, you know, I was really like in my early twenties when, when you saw me walking around with Frenchie everywhere.

50:19Nikka TNo, I think even before that, I think I'm talking well before the Frenchie time. I'm talking like when I would, you know, see your brother in the dance when we were teenagers.

50:29SpeakerOh, oh, okay. I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, yeah.

50:32Nikka TI think that's probably when I first met you. You were probably like real young. When did you first start going to Sestera? No, actually...

50:40SpeakerNo, well, you might be confusing me for somebody else just because I get that a lot in my town. Don't get me wrong. I get that a ton. There is somebody out here that looks like me. But no, no, I lived in Japan when I was a teenager. I grew up overseas. Yeah, I actually moved to the United States when I was 19 years old. All right.

51:01Nikka TSo maybe that was the first times I was seen.

51:03SpeakerYeah, but my brother was here. My brother was, you know, my brother was very young and here and You know, those were his stomping grounds.

51:09Nikka TDefinitely know your brothers from back then.

51:13SpeakerYeah, so that's cool though. And what a great show. And God, that Korean band was, that was off the charts. I was like, my jaw dropped to the ground. They were so good. Best reggae ever.

51:24CalebNeed to find that band's name.

51:27SpeakerYeah, yes, yes. You know what? I'll put it in the comments later once I find it.

51:34SpeakerI like the reggae music that includes songs like Skunk and Haze and, you know...

51:42BubblemanDude, your mark that you put on the, I'm sure, is uncomparable. Like when I first went to Amsterdam, everything was skunk number one. In like 95, it was every coffee shop was like skunk, haze, Northern Lights. It was like those were the standards. Those were the OGs. Caleb, you were about to answer before you missed it. So why don't you go ahead now?

52:10CalebGot it this time. So with reggae specifically, you know, when they are singing about Cali weed, there's a portion of time when it's not about California, it's Cali with a K, right? Or it's C-O-L-L-I-E. And that transition itself can be viewed as well. And that's very intense. So for people that don't know, Cali with a K is referring to a Indian deity that is, you know, patch related.

52:41CalebAnd so like there are certain cultivars, right? Like Calimus with a K that you might see people selling with a C and they're just getting the story wrong, arguably. But there are also artists where, you know, like, for instance, Kali Buds, who right there between reggae and hip hop, where you can see like when early on in his career, he mentions Kali Weed with a K, later on, it's Kali Weed with a C. And you can see the context of the mentions changing and everything like that across reggae artists and hip hop artists, even hip hop artists originally might have been mentioning it with the K before, you know, Kali really became online.

53:22CalebAnd It's very, to go off what Sam the Skunk Man was saying, I have been looking a lot also on like specific cultivar mentions. So I sent him a very funny song about skunk from the UK that I'd love to send to everyone else as well. The chorus basically goes, you know, he didn't sell me weed, he sold me skunk. And the whole song was about how skunk got him way too high.

53:46CalebAnd it's just hysterical that this kind of stuff happens and it's totally part of the cannabis culture. And so this Callie Weed analysis I did just during this past summer. And, you know, there's like the small list of a few hundred songs that have the explicit Callie Weed mentioned. But I've got other lists of like, you know, I found like a hundred songs that are just about gelato.

54:07CalebThere's dozens of songs with the title gelato, let alone, you know, talking about smoking.

54:12Nikka TBro, send me that list. I got you. I got you. That's so good. And then like, so Hayes Skunk, you can see is very much more popular out in Europe than for instance, there are other cultivars that get rapped about in America that then, you know, you kind of see where the waves start.

54:42CalebYou know, like OGs, the perps. And there's also certain terms that go beyond like the cultivar specific mentions where when you talk about smoking on blank nowadays, you know, that could be beyond talking about weed. You know, there's All sorts of martial implications there as well. If you say that you're smoking on perhaps some ops or something, there's all sorts of interesting slang. And slang, music, the youth, cannabis, it's all part of this culture developing and being able to see it ongoing has really been something.

55:19DrHey, Kayla, have you seen Billy String's video, California Sober?

55:25Nikka TAbsolutely. Oh, yeah.

55:27DrEpic, right? Yes. He basically shows up at Willie Nelson's tour bus, goes in there and smokes a couple of fatties and writes a song called California Sober with Willie Nelson. How cool is that? Yeah, Billy's a big smoker. Billy smokes during the middle of his shows. It's so great. I mean, the guy is just probably the most phenomenal guitar player on planet Earth today and smokes huge fatties during the middle of his shows.

55:53DrIt's great. Good to promote.

55:56Etienne FontanI remember lots of, and reggae, I mean, Kali, C-O-L-L-I-E, I mean, I heard that for years. Caleb, is that only referenced in Jamaican music, the Kaliweed, before it became Kaliweed? Because to my knowledge, I only heard it through, you know, reggae or dub style, you know.

56:15CalebYeah, and so... Go ahead.

56:19Nikka TSorry, probably like a patois version of Cali, which came from the Indian culture because there's so much Indian culture in Jamaica. There's just, you know, there's that Indo-Caribbean

56:31CalebThe coolies. Yeah. Yep. The coolies. Everywhere they went, they brought their ganja. And that is the beginning of smoking culture in a lot of disparate places around the world.

56:40BubblemanThey also went where they went at their own accord, right? Like becoming indentured slaves in Jamaica, but they still got on the boats and packed their luggage. They did not do that in Africa. Africans weren't grabbing cannabis seeds and like, So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

57:17BubblemanThe whole like all the like the when you meet a dread in Jamaica that has like nine or ten foot long dreadlocks, for sure he comes from India. His family is of Indian lineage. Those guys grow dreadlocks like nobody's business.

57:36Nikka TBut then they can't grow facial hair either. You know, it's like reddish tinted skin. And, you know, yeah, like, I mean, shit, like Richie Spice, I'd say is from that cultural push.

57:51SpeakerAlso in Suriname, same story.

57:57CalebYep. And there were Indian indentured servants that went to Cambodia as well and a lot of other places.

58:08Etienne FontanWhat's the earliest song that you have found that has a reference to cannabis?

58:14CalebSo when I first started looking, you know, it was just what I could find on YouTube. So it is limited also to like English language stuff. So, you know, I got to like some early jazz songs, maybe the 1920s. And then once I talked with Skunk Man Sam through you at TN, I learned about other older music that's not even in English that's about passion cannabis. So really, there's always stuff to learn.

58:38CalebSo you're deep diving on that now, gotcha.

58:41SpeakerPakistan, India, yeah, they all have old cannabis music.

58:47Etienne FontanWell then, Sam, what's the oldest reference of music that you have found that has cannabis?

58:52SpeakerYou know, I don't know the true history and dates of a lot of this music, and a lot of it I can't understand because it's in Hindi or a different language, but... I did turn Caleb onto the Greek stuff I was familiar with, which is some of it's pretty old.

59:24CalebThe Rebetiko.

59:26SpeakerI've got a huge collection of that.

59:32Nikka TI downloaded a bunch of them for this high tea event because I felt like it was very fitting.

59:39CalebYeah, it's trippy. Medico, hashish and music. The high tea event was a perfect place for that music to be playing.

59:51SpeakerPeople don't understand that Greece used to be the major exporter of hashish in Europe. Long, long before, I mean, they were making hash in linen bags like Lebanon does today. How long ago? Oh, like a hundred years ago or longer. Hmm. Interesting.

1:00:20BubblemanLinen, yeah, that's, I'll tell you. Use your head and you can come up with some pretty good ways. I saw a video in Afghanistan the other day where they were doing the linen and it was just the sea, but it was a real nice one. He had broken up weed on top and it was just raining dry sift down. It actually had a nice looking color, even though it's always done in the darkest, dingiest kind of basement without window room.

1:00:49BubblemanSome great videos on YouTube of traditional hash making in Afghanistan. If you search for it, I think Charisi is one of them that has just the pressing, the heating, the whole process from like harvesting all the way to the end. And it's very, very traditional and authentic. It's pretty cool.

1:01:11Etienne FontanIt's absolutely fascinating how, you know, cannabis was made, you know, oppressed in various different cultures. So we hit it in song, right? In Egypt, they even changed the name of hashish, right? So that, you know, when the Napoleonic people were trying to make it illegal. So it's fascinating how we still find ways to hide it in plain sight, right? That we did, right? We saw, you know, it really emerged sociologically through song, right?

1:01:42Etienne FontanIt was Cypress Hill was a really big push in the hip hop community that really broke that door open, right? Remember the high times where they had the showing how to roll a blunt? I mean, that was culturally huge in the sense that those ripples then felt safer for other musicians to, well, If they can do it, then maybe I can. Because, you know, they go out on stage and smoke and have smoked on stage every fucking show since the beginning, you know?

1:02:13Etienne FontanSo, I mean, be real and then have nothing but keep it real, but also open that door so others can do the same, right?

1:02:25SpeakerYou gotta remember that the Egyptians were pulling the heat Out of hashish consumers because they weren't smoking it back then. They were eating it and they would pull your teeth out. But what they would do is give you rotten milk to drink, make you throw up. And if it came up green, they pulled your teeth out.

1:02:49BubblemanYeah. And and those guys kept eating hash, proving that even 400 years ago, prohibition didn't work. Yeah, they destroyed the Garden of Kapoor, which was a center of hashish. We celebrated the Garden of Kapoor at one of the legends of hashish years ago. I have the card in one of these. Absolutely correct. Yeah, that was awesome. The Garden of Kapoor. I was looking for the Garden of Kapoor and instead I think I found like a Simpsons sticker of Big Buddha eating a burger.

1:03:29BubblemanThe shit you find, man. The shit you find.

1:03:34BubblemanIt's everywhere. It's all around me. It's ridiculous. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. 2025. I'm pretty excited for this year. I gotta say, it seems like things are picking up. And the further away we get away from that whole COVID disaster is better. I feel every year that we get past that is just like another better year. And Feel pretty positive. I started the year off by jumping in the Pacific Ocean.

1:04:04BubblemanIt was cold, let me tell you. But I did it with my whole community. I don't know, there was probably 200 of us or 100 of us. I don't know how many of us. It's a small community here. There's only about 1,100 people that live in my little village. I love that I live in a village. I live in the village of Lions Bay, a small seaside shanty.

1:04:26BubblemanIt's quite lovely. Just across from Bowen Island, Davis, just across from Bowen Island.

1:04:33Davis AllenLions Bay is definitely a really special spot for sure. I've been going there since I was like pretty young. Amazing, amazing out there. Yeah, there's something really distinct about like the small communities around in BC. It's really, the people are really pleasant. There's really that sense of community too that I really like. That I feel like you maybe don't necessarily get as much these days in smaller towns.

1:04:55Davis AllenIt's kind of becoming more decentralized the way like people do things. But I can't speak for Lions Bay, but I feel over here there's still a lot of that, which is fantastic.

1:05:05BubblemanWell, you have your hall, right? Your town hall that everyone goes to for parties and stuff. And when you go to those parties in a place like Salt Spring Island or Bowen Island or even Lions Bay, you'll see people of all ages at those parties from like three years old up to like 85 or 90 years old. Our elder was 103 years old. She just passed away last year, Bernice.

1:05:28BubblemanBut yeah, it was just kind of like you get together with your community. You didn't have to like, there's definitely a price you pay when you isolate yourself towards like people that are only like like-minded people. And there's a total value. I mean, that's why I love Hash Church so much of having your community of your tribe who vibrate at your frequency. But there's also a real value in hanging out with people who are in your community regardless of their frequency and learning things that you would otherwise completely not be exposed to.

1:06:00BubblemanI have a real appreciation for that small village mentality and that's why we raised our kids here, not in a big city.

1:06:10Davis AllenThere's all that diversity, right? Like what's really interesting over here is that whether it's politics or just individual, let's say like ideology, there's a really diverse set and For me, at least, I found I was really fortunate to grow up with people who had very different perspectives. And maybe I don't necessarily agree with everything they say, but I can see the logic and points and arguments that they have that maybe I disagree with, but I see where their logic's coming from.

1:06:37Davis AllenAnd I feel that these days, you kind of tend to stay more in your group. And then when there's that, you don't really necessarily open up to the ideas that aren't yours or aren't what people around you would have. I think also it was pretty unique here is that it's such a diverse set of what people's professions are. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of construction here, but I mean, there's a lot of artists.

1:07:01Davis AllenI mean, I came from a family of artists and a lot of people around me are. And then on top of that too, I mean, we have researchers like Wade Davis who live on Bowen Island. So it's pretty mind blowing and fascinating. People aren't aware of his work. It's he's done a lot of work on a psychoactive drug research, which is pretty fascinating, ranging from all different continents.

1:07:25Etienne FontanYeah, Wade's amazing for sure. No doubt about it.

1:07:28BubblemanYeah, there's a real value in that. Maintaining access to people that don't necessarily think like you. I think what happens when you hang out with people in a village like that, you become less polarized and you all tend to live metaphorically kind of in the body of the bird when it comes to your belief systems. You're mostly in agreeance. And it's only in the isolation when you isolate yourself into these particular groups and really isolate that you get pushed further and further into the extreme left or the extreme right.

1:08:01BubblemanBut it's like those wings can't fly without the bird. And one of those wings can't fly without the other wing. So it's like the bird needs to be whole. Figure it out.

1:08:14Davis AllenNo, definitely. I just wanted to say to what Caleb's been talking about, about the history of music and its connection with cannabis, like American culture in terms of the development from like jazz in the 20s to then blues to then rock. All the way up to hip hop and the current age, like, it's amazing how many references and how entangled, I guess I'd say, both are. I mean, like, the jazz community would not have been what it was through the 20s to the 60s if it wasn't for the connections it had to the cannabis industry, even all the way back then.

1:08:50Davis AllenAnd same, I'd say the same would apply to blues and rock as well and hip hop.

1:08:55BubblemanAnd glassblowing.

1:08:56Davis AllenYeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:09:00SpeakerIf you think about it, that just lifts your soul. You just get I you know, when I was a kid, it's almost like I had like two left feet. I did dance. You know, I did all that. And when I started smoking weed, I could dance. I could feel rhythm like music was like. I don't know. There's just another level that I just wish I wasn't shamed on as a kid for wanting to smoke weed because there was something where not only was dance and rhythm so much more easier, but math was easier.

1:09:34SpeakerI was like, oh, I can do math really quick in my head now. I don't know what it is, but there's something about making music While you're high and you're just on this level and you're, and especially like you're saying Davis, the jazz, like everybody is playing a different instrument, but they're all on the same vibration.

1:09:57Davis AllenYeah.

1:09:57SpeakerAnd like, and weed is like, and it happens with a lot of things, you know, you can be like we are now, we're all high and we're all having a really deep and, you know, in depth conversation where we're on the vibration. But, um, It's crazy that weed has influenced through time. And I mean, that's just talking about jazz. I mean, who knows what the tribal music drum circles were like when everybody was high.

1:10:20SpeakerThat must have been lit. They must have had so much fun.

1:10:26Etienne FontanWell, it's also not just the names in music now. I mean, the names of bands have gone cannabis, right? Which has been a significant shift, right? It's one thing to hide that, right, within a song. It's another thing to really out yourself. The early 90s I traveled with another band out of San Francisco called Total Devastation and they were totally about cannabis from the top to the bottom and you know the reactions we got when we were in New Mexico versus Arizona early on I mean people were like what the The flying fuck are you guys talking about?

1:11:05Etienne FontanHow dare you come to Texas and talk about marijuana, you know, and be not not even white and saying that sort of shit. It was really challenging, Stephen.

1:11:19SpeakerNo, I was going to piggyback on what Laura said. Like, ETN and I are both veterans. A lot of the work that I do is with athletes. I know you were talking about your jujitsu. I think it's funny that we want our musicians to be high. But then we ridicule our athletes for being high. And it's just like that performance that you were just talking about, that flow state, which is like the focus of my whole work, that flow state does go back to indigenous cultures across every continent.

1:11:48SpeakerLike you said, drum circles and different things like that. And I think it's funny that we do want our artists, like if there's an artist who you know smokes and they didn't smoke before that performance, you're going to be like, oh man, this isn't, This isn't going to be as good as it could be. But if you find out that your best athlete broke some record and they had cannabis in their system, then we're just like, that's actually penalized.

1:12:10SpeakerWe don't want that. But it's all flow states. It's all performance. That's a good way of putting it. The flow state. Yeah, I like that. And how it really does help achieve the flow state. Even in, yeah, you're right, in my martial arts, if I'm on a vibe, and not only on weed too, sometimes mushrooms, you know, sometimes a little acid. I'm like, I'm real about it, but not a lot, you know, but there's a point where it's just like, I achieved this flow state, like the music's going, you're just going with your partner, like nothing else matters in the world.

1:12:43SpeakerAnd you're just like, it's amazing. It feels really good. And it feels good to achieve that with instruments too.

1:12:51Etienne FontanLaura, did you also feel that, you know, when you were also, you know, doing your, you know, your, your martial arts, that it helped center you, you know, because when I was a kid, I remember, you know, when I would go for my taekwondo, we would sit and we'd have to center ourselves and get ourselves there. I would have the hardest time doing that. But if I smoked a little bit of pot, I was there and ready.

1:13:14Etienne FontanDid you find that preparation?

1:13:17SpeakerYes. Yeah, I, I, I like doing both. Like I like doing it just through breathing and like finding self-acceptance and like accepting myself, accepting my choices, like loving myself, you know, like trying it through the yogi style too, like breathing. But every now and then, like I find myself more of the not because I have to check out through a busy day. I have to switch hats.

1:13:44SpeakerIt's like I have to take production hat off and put a martial arts hat on and weed helps achieve that flow state and helps me get into that moment and like really just have a good time like like and that's what i love because it you know i like you know i like laughing i spend a lot of my time laughing and i i i like having a good time and sometimes especially after a long hard day as we all have like That cannabis and like you said, Etienne, just getting into that state and just like, and being like just one with yourself and one with your partner and just kind of not having to think about anything else outside of just like what you guys are doing.

1:14:31SpeakerLike dancing, it's very much like dancing too. And it gets you kind of in the mood for dancing.

1:14:38BubblemanI get it on my snowboard when I'm ripping down the backside of Whistler Bowl and I've got like Metallica disposable heroes blaring in my ears. That sounds amazing.

1:14:50SpeakerOh my God.

1:14:52BubblemanProbably going around 80 kilometers an hour. What's that?

1:14:57SpeakerNow I'm saying that's superhero stuff right there. Like that's my job because people now know like music can put you in this heightened state. And then if you're, you have cannabis in your system, you're in this flow state. So you're almost in this balance of like the energy of the music is like surging through me. I can feel my body. But I'm also very calm and focused.

1:15:18SpeakerI can see everything right before it happens. And I think that's what all of us are looking for. Like when people think everybody's getting blitzed, a lot of us are so stressed out. This does bring us to that like very natural flow state of balance. I told somebody the best way I can explain mushrooms to people. Imagine you bought like a million dollar hat and you walked outside and a bird shit on it.

1:15:41SpeakerYour natural reaction is to freak out and panic. But you consume mushrooms, you buy a million dollar hat and walk outside and you go, why would I spend a million dollars on a hat? It literally changes your perspective and it buffers that rage and it gives you a second to process.

1:15:55BubblemanThat perspective is so important because first, my heart broke when Bell said, I wish I hadn't been shamed for my cannabis use. And then I thought, on the flip side of that, A, that's terrible. Shame on them. But... It's not the shame that brings us down. It's how we react to it. It's our perspective that can either destroy us or it can build us. And so for any people out there that are feeling shame in regards to their cannabis use or really anything, just realize that you don't have to let it set in.

1:16:33BubblemanYou know, the way it can and does sometimes, depending on your perspective and how you look at it, you don't have to let it in quite as, you know, there's a Simpsons that was done recently. It was Marge and Lisa and Marge says something to Lisa and she that she means it with love, but it's really like terrible. I can't remember what it was, but the word in big thick font goes into Lisa's ear and it just like settles into her being and it's such a heavy episode.

1:17:06BubblemanI can see how people would.

1:17:31SpeakerYou know, it's a it's a it's a fear of like, will they have self-control? Because I do have friends that, you know, they don't do anything, man. They play video games all day and just smoke all day. And and I mean, if that brings them peace and happiness, then by all means, do you. But like. Thank you so much.

1:18:05SpeakerThey weren't so hard on teen, you know, we weren't so hard on teenagers being able to access cannabis. Because if I were to able, if I were to have that access as a teenager, I'm pretty sure I probably would have done a lot better. Because there is something when I just started smoking weed, like my mathematics, you know, my writing skills, like everything just skyrocketed, like everything just clicked.

1:18:30SpeakerBut not, I mean, it's not that it was hard for me necessarily, but it's just like, I feel like it would have just helped me a lot.

1:18:38Nikka TAnd I know that. Coming from a dad with a teenager, I feel like if they start too, too young, you know, it'll fuck them up in school. Their focus isn't where it should be.

1:18:49SpeakerYeah.

1:18:50Nikka TBut I don't know. I try to find that balance still right now. So. Yeah.

1:18:54SpeakerSo I think that's the art, right? Of finding that balance. Cause that's very interesting. And, you know, and a lot of the parents here and here in the Emerald Triangle do the same thing. I had a friend, you know, we were driving her kid to school. He took a huge bong rip, put his bong back in his, that cushion bong bag and got out, you know, while he was still blowing out the smoke.

1:19:12SpeakerI'm like, dude, you are the luckiest person. Thank you for joining us.

1:19:41SpeakerThere's a lot of difference in kids too. I mean, some of them, cannabis can be such a reward to them that it's hard for them to want to seek other things to find reward, like hard work or doing math or doing physical exercise, whatever it is. And the trouble is cannabis is just too good.

1:20:12BubblemanI like it.

1:20:13SpeakerI think my favorite thing, you know, me and my business do a ton of work with athletes. We're trying to tell athletes, like, it's not cannabis. It's your system that cannabis is helping you balance, right? You're consuming so that you can help balance your own system that's essentially dysregulated or dysfunctional. As veterans, I always have to tell people nobody wakes up and like, I want to throw my life away or do a bad drug.

1:20:39SpeakerBut people do wake up looking for relief. And I think if we acknowledge children also feel trauma and they do feel relief, if you don't educate them on the right pathways, that's how you end up consuming something that's maybe more dangerous. So to your point, I think there is balance. Because if there's a kid at your school that has epilepsy and you know he's got a medical permit to consume cannabis, You can't be the parent that just says cannabis is bad.

1:21:06SpeakerThere's different forms and ways and reasons that people consume it. That's why education is so important because the kids know about it like they listen to the music. They know all this stuff. But to your point, balance for all of us. I had a 1.8 GPA coming out of high school. I started consuming cannabis after the Marines and I got Ivy League offers to do a PhD.

1:21:29SpeakerAnd I couldn't, the stress levels I had growing up on the south side of Chicago, I couldn't focus on school. Once I started consuming cannabis as an adult, like Laura said, school became like a video game almost. It's just like, if I focus on it, I bet you I can do it. Just give me some time.

1:21:47BubblemanGod, I stunk like weed all the way through high school. It was just like total potentiator of my stereotype, selling weed to everyone. It allowed me to meet every group, right? Like there was guys who were like metalheads that smoked weed while I was friends with those guys. There were like sporto guys that played like football or basketball or hockey. I could sell weed to those guys.

1:22:11BubblemanYou know, there was just every group in the school, but they all had something in common. They all had weed smokers in each of their groups, which kind of gave a nice in to that group. And I just, my goodness, did I potentiate that stereotype. Driving an orange Volkswagen van, 74 Westphalia. I'd park it in the teacher's parking lot because it was right where the kids all came out of this long concrete pathway.

1:22:39BubblemanAnd I would sit in the back with my little 90 degree window open. And I would I had a stove with like blades on the stove and I would sell hash hits for like, I can't remember if it was two for five or whatever.

1:22:53Etienne FontanWe're doing hot knives at school.

1:22:56BubblemanAt school in the teacher's parking lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And heat score. Super heat score. It was low key. No one was like taking anything with them. Do you know what I mean? Like when they walked away from the van, they just exhaled.

1:23:14Etienne FontanHot, hot knives too. Oof.

1:23:17BubblemanGlowies, right? Well, not quite glowies. I always like to let it not glow, but I bet you it was still like 850 to 900 degrees. Oh God, I'm sorry to all of you who paid for that actually. Oh my goodness. This is insane.

1:23:37BubblemanBonkers. Bonkers.

1:23:42SpeakerYes, Steven, I wanted to comment on, you know, you must have a lot of experience of athletes having, you know, athletes and the cannabis world kind of coming together. I know that we were talking about how it's like we expect our music artists to To it's okay like they get a pass for being all high because it makes good music but it's not okay for an athlete who's in a lot of pain to use cannabis no no no you'll get kicked out of the UFC or no no no you know you'll get kicked off of the football team um so i found that like you know i hope that can change for for our society i'm just curious to see like what you know the athletes that you are curious to hear like the athletes that you work with and like how they go about Um, advocating for cannabis usage for other athletes.

1:24:36SpeakerYeah. I mean, my consulting company as each consulting, we do a bunch of work with Ricky Williams and other pro athletes. People kind of know those stories, but now we're trying to get like deeper into those stories where we realize where it's, it's 75% of some of these pro sports leagues. I heard somebody recently say in the NBA, they had a second bus on the team drives.

1:24:59SpeakerFor all the guys who smoke weed, because that's how many people on one team actually consume cannabis. And most people's eyebrows will raise until you've had the experience of pain relief from cannabis, until you've had the experience of I wasn't sleeping well, cannabis helped me sleep. Then it makes sense why these people who are on the road their whole lives, the most athletic people we've ever seen, whose bodies are breaking down, Right?

1:25:26SpeakerThey have a very low range of how they... We say your best asset is your availability. If you're hurt and not available, your assets drop exponentially. So cannabis keeps most of them going secretly, and it has for decades and decades and decades. They've been friends, like Boba Man said. They've been friends with the same people who are artists. They've been friends with the people who sell. In college, I know a lot of people who sold weed said their best clients were athletes.

1:25:56SpeakerSo it's just like, this is something that's always been known. If we can stop like hiding, when I hear guys in the NFL say 85% of their team smokes weed, I'm like, at this point, we might as well actually talk about it. So yeah, I mean, it is something that they are advocating for, but you have to realize there's organizational structures that those millions and millions of dollars you make, like Ricky Williams was such a visionary because he did walk away at the top of the game.

1:26:22SpeakerUnreal. Leaving millions behind, but that's what makes him a visionary to this day.

1:26:26BubblemanDude, Ricky is unbelievable, man. That is the... Talk about putting your... Your money where your mouth is. Holy shit. Yeah, I gave up on the money. I'm like, why'd you do that? He's like, so I could have weed. I'm like, damn, dude, that is like one of the most powerful statements. He told me that in Barcelona many, many years ago. He walked by my booth and I didn't know him at all.

1:26:50BubblemanI don't know football, actually. Tony V was next to me and he was all starstruck because he was a big football fan. I had no idea who the dude was, but I was like, that dude was prolific in what he said.

1:27:02Etienne FontanI got the best Ricky Williams story. So this is back when he was still playing for Miami. I'm at Berkeley Patients Group. One of my employees comes in and he was running up the stairs and he is hyperventilating. His name's Dr. Tom. He's actually a doctor now. And he is just hyperventilating because as you can see, I've been a New Orleans Saint fan all my life. I'm from New Orleans, right?

1:27:29Etienne FontanSo I followed Ricky's whole path from when he was drafted. So my guy is, he can't breathe. He's like, I just can't make it out. And eventually he says, Ricky Williams downstairs. And I'm like, bullshit. And he's like, no, look outside. And I go and I look outside because we're in a second story window and I see a orange flaked Hummer One. With, you know, Florida plates.

1:28:04Etienne FontanI'm like, oh shit, he's here. So I casually go downstairs and I see him and he's registering. And I'm like, all right. This is cool. Ricky Williams. He's actually still playing in the NFL at this time. So and he's here. So I'm like, OK, I go around. This is back when we had before we got evicted from the federal government. So we had onside consumption. And not only did we have on-site consumption, we had comedy and various other live events.

1:28:39Etienne FontanSo we had a female comedian randomly that particular day. It was a Friday and Ricky, he registers and he comes in and he sits down in a table next to me. And so I'm just kind of casually just smoking a joint that I had rolled and I had gotten some weed and I was actually rolling a joint because I was going to ask him to smoke a joint, which he did.

1:29:05Etienne FontanBut as I was doing casually and watching him, this comedian on stage is like, so has anybody ever been to Texas? And nobody raises a hand. And so he kind of raises his hand. And she's like, all right, has anybody ever been to the university of Texas? And of course, that's where I went to school. So he raises his hand and she goes, well, who the hell are you?

1:29:34Etienne FontanRicky Williams? And he goes, yes, ma'am. And then the entire room just stopped and turned around and we're like, oh shit. Cause he had just shaved his head. He was very clean shaven, but he still had the beard. So you could recognize who he was. And the comedian's just like, oh, shit. Uh, well, welcome, Ricky. And of course, nobody's facing her at all. They're all just like, ah, what?

1:30:03Etienne FontanAnd that's when I took the moment and I kind of went over to her and was like, hey, Ricky, I know you. I sewed in my tattoo. I'm like, followed your career your whole life. Can I smoke a joint with you and just shoot the shit? This is my establishment. He's like, oh, yeah, sure. And he was the most down-to-earth, recognized guy. I called my friend Jeff Jones.

1:30:20Etienne FontanHe rushed over with a vaporizer to give him because he's like, you should have a healthier version. And he gave him a volcano vaporizer, and we sent him on his way. So that was my Ricky Williams story, which is absolutely hilarious just because I felt bad for the poor comedian. She's just trying to do her thing, and she's got a joke, and she unfortunately never was able to recover from it.

1:30:42Etienne FontanBut it was just one of those epic moments. Ask Steven. If you see him next time, ask him. He remembers that.

1:30:49SpeakerYeah, I'm going to ask him. Yeah, Rick is very down to earth. He's always made himself very accessible to the community. I think I actually met Rick on a Ganji Air call where we were. I was there as a Tricom Institute-like person. He was there as a Ganji Air person. And we were there with a bunch of people just talking about the quality of product. He was explaining how athletes are some of the best people as an audience to explain quality to.

1:31:17SpeakerYou could tell the whole country right now about the difference between craft and mass produced cannabis. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:31:47BubblemanThese companies actually figured it out. All the NBA, all the NFL, right? These massive multi-billion dollar teams. This would be like the dream job too. You get set up. Oh, what are you doing? It's like, oh, I'm the grower for the Kansas City Chiefs. I grow all the flour that all of those players use. And I'm the extract maker. I make the hash for, and they have a state-of-the-art facility.

1:32:11BubblemanIt's all living soil. It's all like there's Agronomists, there's all these scientists that work and collect data. We're like developing cultivars for specific athletes like that shit. Who has money to burn like those companies? Could you imagine the grows and the hash making facilities? Thank you for watching.

1:32:47Etienne FontanWell, Stephen, to say what you were saying about the athletes and back when I worked at the Galaxy Gallery, the head shop in the 90s in Los Angeles, the Portland Trailblazers came in, bought a rack of bongs and pipes, all the down stems, all the rubber pieces, cleaning equipment, And the team equipment guys, the guy who came in and picked it all up and it actually traveled with the actual basketball and all of their training equipment.

1:33:20Etienne FontanSo it's been part, I mean, trust me, we were all, we were all like, yeah, you never saw us here, you know, sort of shit. And this is way back in, like I said, 90, you know, 97, 98. So that was really mind blowing to me to see how not only integrated It was within the system. This system adapted, modified itself illegally because I know the commissioner and all them were like, we never saw this sort of shit, but it still went on.

1:33:49Etienne FontanSo how does, I mean, the NBA is relaxed as policies, right? And the NFL is in the midst of going through that. What's taking the NFL so long? Because the NBA and the others have seen the direct effects cannabis has had positively on their athletes, especially because of the, you know, the more games and rushing them, the Thursday night games and things like that, that are, you know, really forcing quick recovery that was unheard of back in, you know, the 80s and 90s, but now they're forced to live.

1:34:22Etienne FontanHow do they negotiate that reality versus, you know, that corporate reality versus taking care of their bodies?

1:34:33SpeakerThey see them as assets, right? Your team is good if your best player is available. If your player is constantly getting hurt every year and you're like, we fired everybody, we changed players, what's something? If there was this one tool that could keep our players healthy so that we can make a bunch of money off of our players, if there was something that could help with concussions and pain and it's just like, they've been secretly trying to tell you that they already found something that works for them, but your policy is why so many of them either secretly use it or avoid it.

1:35:03BubblemanThey just want to deny CTE even exists. So this is the mentality. Like when Etienne was wondering, I wonder why the NFL hasn't figured this out. It's like, I think it has to do with their close, intimate relationship with Satan.

1:35:17DrI think the market, I think there could be, I totally agree with you. And like three or four years ago, when the NFL first mentioned that they were going to spend a billion dollars in research, Thank you for joining us.

1:35:43DrThe movie Concussion came out, right? Where if you're a football player or if you played football or you're a fan, football fan, watch the movie Concussion. Will Smith. Yeah, that's slapping the face. Will Smith. I think he's a douche for that. But anyway, make a long story short, it's a really good movie. And I don't believe you'll ever watch a football game in the same way again after watching that movie.

1:36:08DrBut if you look at the way the NFL spent their dollars so their first projects that they funded in academia to look at health related issues had nothing to do with CTE. It had to do strictly with pain. How do we deal with pain so we can shoot the players with something on the sideline and send those multi-million dollar people back out onto the field to generate billions of dollars for these corporates that are basically got their fingers in the pie.

1:36:41DrAnd that's the key. Just like Deep Throat said, follow the money. The reason why this hasn't been brought to the forefront is because the right amount of Ben Franklin's have not exchanged hands. It's all having to do with money. Because now, if you look at their portfolio, and I think ATN, I think you had mentioned this previously on an episode of Hash Church, and I think, did we have the Canadian researcher on?

1:37:09DrI've met her, but I know...

1:37:11SpeakerHer name is Liz, Liz Thompson.

1:37:14DrRight. I know they're now shifting their portfolio to focus on CTE. So I think they're recognizing that, yes, the human brain inside the skull, inside a football helmet was never meant to handle this level of trauma. And if you play football from your peewee years, completely through high school, completely through college, You've experienced a lifetime of brain trauma. It's amazing it's not more prevalent, Steven, right? If you think about it.

1:37:46DrAnd the other thing, I guess, is that think about the football NFL's business model. When those players are being paid millions of dollars and they're on that field, they're generating advertising revenues for all of the sponsors and all the players. When they're retired, The NFL could give a shit about them, right? And those are the people who come down with CTE after they leave the game. And there's certainly players who leave the game either on their own accord like Ricky and other people, but there's also people who end up leaving the game not realizing they have CTE and then later on end up killing themselves like Junior Seau who shot himself in the gut knowing that they can study his brain.

1:38:31DrRight. And so the whole notion is, is that, yes, we need to come up with ways of intervening the thing that leads to chronic conditions like CTE in players after they retire from the game, after they retire from the game. Thank you for watching.

1:39:03DrBut I think again, I'll just say this is that it looks like the NFL has recognized that CTE is an issue because now they're funding research, not just on pain, but they're funding research on concussion. And we all know from, and ATN, we've talked about this before, that cannabinoids reduce neuroinflammation. And in the golden hour of trauma, which is right after a concussion occurs, they need a shot of cannabinoids into their brains to reduce neuroinflammation.

1:39:39DrBecause often what happens is that it's the neuroinflammation and the fact that the cranium basically keeps the brain in place. There's no place for it to expand. You often get hemorrhaging and you often have incidents that happen later on. You know, the other thing that I would just say is that it's not just smoking cannabis. I mean, there could be other ways that they can use the endocannabinoid system.

1:40:04DrAnd there's so much research that's being done on how to deliver compounds across the blood brain barrier, how to use not just Thank you so much for joining us.

1:40:42DrThank you for joining us.

1:41:10DrTo treat head injury, right? In military.

1:41:14Etienne FontanThey already are.

1:41:15DrYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, so so there's there's so many different things that they ought to do that would actually be kind of like the way everyone's like, well, why did we pay NASA to put people on the moon? It was all the technology that was developed around the moon landing that that benefited society.

1:41:37BubblemanWell, this is something that all the technology they lost.

1:41:42DrNFL should pay for because it's directly affecting the people who are generating the money every Sunday when people tune in and watch NFL football games. There's probably a fair number of those people who are playing in that game who are going to suffer from CTE later on in life. And I think that cannabinoids could be part of the solution. Hockey too. Stephen, I actually reached out to you by text.

1:42:08DrThat's exactly what I want to talk to you about. So let's reconnect after this episode if we could.

1:42:14Etienne FontanYeah, the realities of, I'm actually trying to bridge the State Department, trying to actually get that name of that nasal medication that is in the military packs currently in Germany and Israel. That is exactly what it is. As long as you can hit them within that golden hour. Dr. Mushulam found this back in the 60s, that if you were, well, he said they smoked a joint within, you know, that golden hour, it can stop the, you know, That is brain swelling from happening.

1:42:44Etienne FontanAnd so I'm rather surprised even that the NFL wouldn't be interested in something that could, you know, help prolong and especially the teams, right? I saw, you know, they're trying every type of recovery method. I saw they had no hand coolers that go over the wrists, you know, to cool down the athletes. It's rather surprising they won't look at Thank you for watching.

1:43:20SpeakerI don't understand. It's just marketing dollars. I wish there was some Dr. Evil on the moon rubbing his little grubby hands together. It really is marketing dollars. The NFL only makes money if we watch. The teams that make the most money sell the most tickets. This is all about attention. So if they can get your viewing dollars, then they also can slip in an advertisement. They can say, hey, we have the most viewers.

1:43:46SpeakerAnheuser-Busch gets an advertising spot and they pay a ton of money for it. If Anheuser-Busch is their lead marketer, they're not going to do something that's directly competitive That they know Anheuser-Busch is probably on the back end trying to find its way into cannabis, right? So it's like when you get behind closed doors, this is when you find out like GTI just signed a deal with Barstool Sports.

1:44:10SpeakerWhen you find out Cookie signed a deal with USC called a CBD and wellness deal. The marketing dollars are actually finally meeting cannabis. The issue is there's no education or guidance into it. They're going for the biggest players in the industry, the biggest names. They don't know who built the industry. And they're like, why aren't we making any money? So that's why the education of athletes is huge right now, because they don't want to just sell Gatorade if there's a better alternative to Gatorade.

1:44:38SpeakerThey don't want to sell some bad supplement if there's a better alternative to supplements. So they're like cannabis is the first time athletes can say for themselves, this is what helps me. This, you know, this flower helped me. This hash helped me through my career. But you're still up against big marketing. And that's why you can't get a cannabis Super Bowl commercial, even if it's about sick kids or veterans, because people have applied for the last three years and those commercials have been denied.

1:45:06SpeakerI'm curious, are any of these organizations thinking about cannabis in terms of the mental health of their athletes or their anxiety or performance anxiety? Yeah, but you can't say that on the forefront as long as it's so WADA regulates the globe's doping recommendations and rules. WADA follows the DEA scheduling of a no medical use. So it creates a gridlock. People ask me as a researcher, like, what's the way through?

1:45:32SpeakerAnd I'm like, well, there's a gridlock. As long as the DEA says no medical use. The World Anti-Doping Agency says no medical use and the sports agencies have to follow WADA. Like Sha'Carri Richardson technically didn't violate any rules. She didn't even violate, you know, as far as like the NCAA would be now. She violated WADA, which is the World Anti-Doping Agency, and everybody has to follow that.

1:45:58Davis AllenYeah, with the change in the scheduling, I ultimately think that there will be a change in the perception that people have on it. Like really what it comes down to is like, it's a combination of changes with an understanding coming from the government end. And then on the other hand, like private industry that has enough capital to really push it forward. And the reality is there hasn't been that yet on either side.

1:46:19Davis AllenAnd I mean, like, To give a few examples up here in Canada, like the majority of politicians don't understand any of it. Like I'm in communication with the co-chair of the cannabis caucus for the federal liberals. I also have a contact with the conservative party as well. And I'm mind blown, like how little information is there. It's not like I expect them to be experts, just like I don't expect them to know everything about like alcohol or alcohol production, for example, but there isn't really even the base, you know, basics that are there.

1:46:50Davis AllenAnd so like the thing that's happening in the States is when there's like a change in terms of the scheduling. As long as the right information is getting through and as strange as this is to say, but like corporations that maybe have malintent, but at the same time, at least they're doing it right. I really have an optimistic stance that we're going to see changes like that because I mean, up here in Canada, I know a lot of

1:47:16Davis AllenI mean, I know one guy that was in the WHL, one guy that was in the WFL that grew up in North Vancouver pretty close to me, and both of them use lots of cannabis. But ultimately, even with legalization, they're not. This is the other side of it, too, is there's still that kind of discriminatory type stance on it. They're not really comfortable going around being the endorser of cannabis or having their name attached to it.

1:47:39Davis AllenLike, sure, they use it. It's a part of their lives. It's really important to them. But they feel they'll be maybe stigmatized, maybe discriminated against, maybe not taken as seriously because of it. And, you know, like someone like myself, I was fortunate. I never really had that kind of circumstance. I've been a medical patient since I was young. I never had people like I went to high school in West Vancouver.

1:48:03Davis AllenFor those who don't know, it's one of the wealthiest areas in Canada. There's a lot of Let's say more like conservative or anti-drug type mentalities from people there. I never found that when I communicated it or when I explained my use or explained things about cannabis that they're unaware of. But it doesn't change the fact that until there's those changes that are created, it's kind of going to be the stalemate of just waiting until something happens realiztically.

1:48:33DrYeah, indeed, indeed. Go ahead. This is going to show this product. I picked up this product at a cannabis show a couple of years ago, and it's a CBD transnasal mist. So I don't know. It's probably I don't think it's a nano emulsion, but you'd imagine that just something like this. You know, just giving a couple shots up the nose after concussion.

1:48:55BubblemanNano emulsion isn't as effective as exosomes. They load exosomes and that's what gives the payload to the brain.

1:49:05DrYeah, I mean, I think that I, so the research really is, I mean, a lot of the pieces are out there. People have shown that they could deliver drugs using these types of nano emulsions and, you know, or other types of formulations. I think the key thing is that can you deliver it in a concentration that's effective and To reduce neuroinflammation to create a better outcome for the patient.

1:49:36BubblemanThe University of Miami has a patent on it. I'm almost certain they definitely have the knowledge on how they were the ones that discovered using exosome because it was my business partner, Dr. Brent Reynolds, who I met through Tony and those guys and continued to work with him after Jamaica. That was working at the university. We were actually going to load up psychedelics into the exosomes and deliver them right to the brain.

1:49:59BubblemanBut no, we spoke about this. It was a 45 times payload to the brain that they had ever seen. 45 times more.

1:50:07DrSo why doesn't the NFL, I mean, it seems like this is just an obvious low-lying fruit for them to go after. I think it would be a thing that the NFL wouldn't even have to pay attention to.

1:50:24BubblemanJust the doctors that work for them would have it in their bags.

1:50:27SpeakerYeah, I mean, again, when it comes to sports marketing, Pfizer is like a big... If you ever watch sports, you'll see Pfizer advertised, right? Pfizer is very much into the synthetic cannabinoid field. They spent a couple billion dollars to acquire Arena Pharmaceutical. Arena Pharmaceutical, if you don't know, they specialize in irritable bowel syndrome drugs, which I don't know if you know, but cannabis helps irritable bowel syndrome.

1:50:54SpeakerPretty much most of the time.

1:50:56DrAre they phyto cannabinoid like or are they completely synthetic or what are their active ingredients look like, Stephen?

1:51:02SpeakerI don't know exactly because when the merger went through, everything went quiet, but they let people know what the intent was behind it. But what it tells me is if Pfizer, as big a company as it is, spent billions of dollars to acquire a company that specializes in cannabinoid development, the NFL on the back end, knowing that Pfizer is one of their partners, these people are all talking, it's corporate money.

1:51:25SpeakerThey're just moving money around the same plate. So that then lets me know the NFL is funding cannabis and concussion research. Pfizer is doing some stuff over here with irritable bowel syndrome. To me, to the people on this call, like, I don't always want that to be the forefront of the conversation. I think that is the corporate model. But I think just like craft beer and just like craft burgers, I think this is going to push craft cannabis exactly where we want it to be.

1:51:51SpeakerThere's going to be so much mass produced, big, just stuff on Walgreens shelves. I think that you will get that other person who I don't want a 50 cent beer. I don't, I don't want a dollar burger. What I want is a dollar that maybe cost a burger that costs 15 bucks, but I know it's all locally raised. I know where my, you know, I know where all the ingredients came from and I know where the money goes back to, but we didn't care about that type of quality and food until we started getting educated as a public.

1:52:19SpeakerHey, McDonald's burgers are not good for you. If you're gonna eat a burger, maybe look towards these type of raised, you know, this is how your beef was raised. I think cannabis is about to go the same way because of the model that these big corporations are taking.

1:52:33BubblemanTalk about having blinders on though, where it's like it takes you to gain 200 pounds before you realize, I don't think this burger is good for me. It's changing me a little bit. I don't know what's going on here. I don't feel good.

1:52:48DrYeah, well, I don't know if you saw this thing that was in the news this week, Marcus, but there was a...

1:52:55DrThank you so much for joining us.

1:53:15DrThank you for joining us.

1:53:43DrRight? I mean, so it's like... Well, it's kind of like, you know, cancer is a multi-billion dollar industry. And just like Stephen said, you know, you got companies like Pfizer and other huge multinational public corporations that, again, are all about return to the shareholders. So they're looking to make as much money as they possibly can. And we've said it here on Hash Church before, the mantra of the pharmaceutical companies is not to cure disease.

1:54:15DrThank you for watching.

1:54:32DrThank you for joining us.

1:54:56DrThank you for watching.

1:55:17DrHow do you fix that? Can cannabis help?

1:55:21BubblemanIt definitely goes to show you that for sure evil exists, regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs. You have to know that evil exists. I've said it before, it's got to be a part of free will, right? Without it, free will isn't free will. It's like when Elon Musk says that Censorship or free speech is only really free speech when someone says something you don't like. Because it's easy when people are saying the things that you do like.

1:55:52BubblemanIt's when they say things you don't like that it becomes free speech that you have to like, well, people should be allowed to say what they want. And if they're saying stupid, heinous shit, well, most likely society will get on that and kind of create boundaries around those people. But it's hard to have free speech when you're censoring any side.

1:56:13Etienne FontanYeah, I saw a friend of mine. She's a political cartoonist. She had to resign from Washington Post and Telnes because of a political cartoon she did of Jeff Bezos bowing and giving money to fucking the Trump campaign. Whoa, she got fired.

1:56:32BubblemanAnd her job is to make social commentary through cartoon jokes.

1:56:36Etienne FontanYep, except against the oligarchy. Then that's an issue. Jesus Christ. Fuck censorship.

1:56:45BubblemanYeah, I'd say so. But it's, you know, that does have a very sharp ended sword on the other side. It's very much, it can't, put it this way, a lack of censorship in that, on that level cannot exist in a world where if you can hurt someone's feelings, you've broken a law.

1:57:06Etienne FontanWell, they will think that, you know, people are getting an oligarchy, but I think the oligarchy via Luigi found that it's 1735 in France and we're not going to tolerate it. We'd rather have guillotines than live with this bullshit.

1:57:20DrYeah, and they're talking about taking over Canada and Greenland for Christ's sakes. I mean, what world do we live in today? Oh my God.

1:57:29BubblemanWell, we live in a world that has already done exactly what you just said. The whole world is a cut up board of countries and how that happened. Was all these different groups took those countries and put up borders and said, this is ours. And they fought for it. So this has been happening. If you look at a map and it just doesn't say Earth, but it has all these different countries names, then exactly what you just said is exactly what's been happening since the beginning of time.

1:57:58BubblemanPeople are taking that shit.

1:58:01SpeakerI think that's what's interesting. Something that Laura said earlier about people being on the same page. Something in the military and something in sports that we notice is during times of trauma, people who are on the same page hit these unified flow states, which is when shit gets really crazy. It's one thing to see Steph Curry shooting threes and you're like, yo, Steph Curry's in flow state.

1:58:25SpeakerIt's another thing to watch all his teammates moving at the exact same time. And you're just like, how much training did it take for you all's brains to synchronize? On the road, hostile crowd, people screaming, and you all are pretty much like doing a synchronized dance right now. Like I think we've shown that our bodies can do it with performance. And I think now one of the things I love about being a researcher, every time civilization hits some crazy major breaking point, researchers across the planet Before Wi-Fi all came up with like similar discoveries because they were going through similar types of stress.

1:59:02SpeakerI think that's why hash church is so important because you find out the more people that you reach out to, you're like, you're doing something a little different than what we're doing, but everybody's trying to move their little bit forward. And I think that's a unified flow state that we're all in. Like you get to a certain point of trauma and I can say this as a veteran where you're just like, I'm not afraid of my fear anymore.

1:59:23SpeakerI'm not afraid of trauma, those different things. And what Laura said earlier is you actually start building a self resiliency. You're like, I can actually move this thing forward. And I think everybody on this call is moving their local group forward as much as possible. I think when the whatever rescheduling happens, it's going to benefit big ass companies. Everybody here pretty much agrees on that. But like my work with athleticism, the work with veterans, everything that everybody's doing on here, there's going to be more opportunities to pop up one way or another.

1:59:54SpeakerIt's not just going to big companies can't benefit if there's no consumers, but consumers are also now investors and business owners themselves. So that's what makes this kind of domestic circular economy so interesting right now.

2:00:08BubblemanThey want the masses. They want the botanical terps with floor sweepings and distillate sprayed on them. And they can have that market. Most of the people in here are more specialized in accessing a certain part of the market. And there's, as my Jamaican friends always told me, John made enough for everyone. So just focus on what you're doing and we should be good. And who wants that anyway?

2:00:37BubblemanI don't really want to sell floor sweepings and distillate and botanical turps and pre-rolled joints with thick paper. I don't want to do that yet. There's millions of people who want to smoke that. And so who am I to say that they shouldn't? I'm definitely going to do my best on the other side of the market to try and like send in little lures over to that side of the camp to Thank you so much for joining us.

2:01:31BubblemanA lot of the aspects of the market that we in this room seem to be focused on feed into that. So it's okay if it's not the... Yeah, Chimera says, say no to floor sweeping, say yes to abundance. Yeah, no shit, dude. I feel that.

2:01:48SpeakerUnfortunately, a lot of people out there are focusing on the money and saying there's a sucker born every minute.

2:01:57BubblemanWell, they're not wrong. There is a sucker born every minute, but my goodness, be nicer. You don't have to like take people down. Like just go do something good with your life and put some sort of better frequency into the world. The world can use it. It's all frequency. We're all putting these vibrations out into the world. And I think that's what the Indians called karma because that stuff comes around.

2:02:26SpeakerThe world could be such a better place if everybody smoked the quality of hash that we were smoking.

2:02:31BubblemanI feel that too, Caitlin. I do feel that. Then on the flip side, sometimes I feel like, oh my God, I don't know if that's the case, even though I need it to be the case. I want it to be the case.

2:02:44SpeakerThat's funny that Caitlin said that because I was just about to say the same thing. I was about to be like, man, I wish this was... I wish hash was available in Japan and Southeast Asia, places in Southeast Asia where they could really use it. You know, there's a lot of drinking. Japanese people love to, man, they love to drink. They can drink. And I think they could really use cannabis.

2:03:10SpeakerYeah, yeah. And not that I have anything against drinking or beer. I personally really, really love beer myself. But I just noticed that, you know, there's a lot of people that could really benefit from it internationally, just smoking some really good hash and being one with their cells and achieving flow states. Totally. And connecting with that universe energy around them, right? There's so many people that just get lost in this world and are just not paying attention to the things happening that a little bit of cannabis can just quiet that noise and sort of bring That attention back to what's in front of you and what's around you.

2:03:48SpeakerAnd I think people forget that cannabis can tune us in that way and that we can really connect with others and ourselves and everything happening around us. For me, as a young person, when I first tried cannabis, I was a very scared of life person. And when I first tried cannabis with my friends, it quieted all that noise and all of that fear and all of that anxiousness.

2:04:10SpeakerAnd it really let me Actually pay attention to what was happening around me instead of me just being afraid of what happened around me. It let me connect with new people. It let me walk up to strangers and say, Hey, do you want to spend some time together and smoke this joint and get to know each other? And it really opened up a whole world for me that I didn't have access to prior to cannabis.

2:04:29SpeakerAnd so for me, I love to see a world where everybody doesn't have that stigma to try and see what sort of mental health relief they could get from that, from that experience. To me, it was massive. And I think the world underestimates the mental health relief from cannabis.

2:04:48BubblemanAbsolutely. I think the world underestimates the mental health relief from living in the Kootenays.

2:04:54SpeakerYes, that too. This place is magical.

2:04:57BubblemanIt is absolutely magical. It's like a bunch of like dudes that didn't want to go fight in the war from California were like, let's go start another one of these up in Canada.

2:05:08SpeakerYeah, it's been fantastic.

2:05:10BubblemanIt's pretty wild. It's definitely our Humboldt. It's amazing. What's that?

2:05:18SpeakerWe're nestled in the mountains. I'm looking at two mountains out my window right now. There's snow covered everything and just everybody here. All of our leaders who take mushrooms and smoke weed.

2:05:43SpeakerYes.

2:05:44BubblemanYes. I think Terrence McKenna said that quite some years ago, saying that if they just, you know, if all the people stopped consuming alcohol for like a week and were consuming psychedelics or cannabis, the entire world would have like a monstrous... It is crazy how much... How people don't really realize how they were like funneled towards alcohol. You know, you get funneled towards alcohol, particularly depending on the level of prohibition that your country has.

2:06:17BubblemanYou know, I grew up in a police family and of course cannabis was illegal and so all of the cops I knew were alcoholics, which was like scary when you think about it. It was kind of like, ooh, that seems like a, you got a gun.

2:06:30Etienne FontanAnd how old were you, right? It was sociologically okay for your parents to say, okay, you can have a sip of alcohol with your huh, right? And how old were you when you had your first taste of alcohol, Marcus, from your parents?

2:06:41BubblemanI would probably have been like eight or nine years old, but I was also that age when I saw the police come visit my house in full uniform. And the guy was big. His name was Rick. He was like 6'8 and 280 pounds. He would drink like a couple of Miller Killers, which I think were two or three cans of beer. I don't know if you're... I don't know what level of white trash you had to be to know about the Miller Killers, but I was at that level.

2:07:07BubblemanAnd so we... We had them in our fridge. They were these giant fucking cans, like supersized cans of beer. And he would come crush two of them and then jump in his police car and, hey, what's up, buddy?

2:07:22BubblemanSorry, my son was just saying goodbye to me for the day he's going to play with his little buddy Jude. So I had to say goodbye to him. But yeah, it was a weird thing to just kind of and then get kind of get older. And as I got older, I remember the entire vice squad would would have would come to my mom's house. She had a pool and there would be like a pool party in my backyard with the entire vice Winnipeg vice squad.

2:07:46BubblemanThey'd all have these like sort of black. I was like, okay, that's like, these are not my people. I was like, just swimming in my, I was a bit of a, it was a bit of the black sheep in my family. How awesome is that? I feel like this is a whole. Thank you for watching.

2:08:32BubblemanAnd they just pull it out and put it right in front of you. I can't wait for my kids. Well, my kids have already done it, but they'll do it more and I'll be better for it. So try not to...

2:08:45Etienne FontanAnybody who's, I ended up, you know, years ago, well, right out of high school, I had a, I ended up working for a con man and he ended up coming over the house and saying, I'm going to get your mom to smoke marijuana. And I remember him saying that to my mom and my stepdad. And they're like, yeah, not a chance in hell, dude. And no, he didn't.

2:09:04Etienne FontanBut years later, after I went through the hemp industry and then I was in cannabis industry, then my mom was like, so I'm losing my memory. Can I try this marijuana? And, you know, it worked. I was able to have teas. I start off with the teas. That was a very easy entry point for because she had smoked earlier in her life, but she didn't want to smoke anything.

2:09:25Etienne FontanRight. She was worried about coughing. She was in her, you know, 70s. So, you know, it was not something that was there. So to, you know, to actually then have her use cannabis and then decide, you know, this works for me. Thank you for watching. See you next time.

2:09:59BubblemanMy mom's the same way. My mom worked for the police for 35 years, was never going to use cannabis, never used it in her entire life. Then it was like she started using it. She started going to bed with it. Then she got a grow and a license. And then she was cutting clones and sharing them with other people. And it was just like this, like. Pretty awesome growth of just being involved with the plant.

2:10:21BubblemanShe got right into it, you know, planting it in her backyard, having a little indoor grow, getting cuts for her brother. So did you show her how to grow? Yeah, I mean, my friend Al, this guy Reggie the Roddy from back in the day, Al was really helpful. He was really like, he would bring her, you know, edibles and Clones and all sorts of things. So I wasn't there.

2:10:44BubblemanSo it was really him more than me in regards to that. But I had shown my uncle how to make hash. So they were also making, well, I showed her how to make hash too. She made hash with me years ago before she even tried it. And I remember because she was, I don't know how old she was at the time, probably 60 years old. She made full melt hash.

2:11:03BubblemanThe first time she ever made it. I just was like, and that was with a cake mixer. Remember when we used to make six star full melt bubble hash with a cake mixer? Like, come on. I know that we're all professionals now and we use professional equipment and we all have very high levels of skill. But I do remember those days where I would just put the little Walmart cake mixer.

2:11:23BubblemanI'd go buy like four or five of those things before I went to Jamaica. I'd be like, yeah, dude, I'm going to bring all these little, you know, and then giving away bubble bags with one of those little, those little cake mixers was just, I'm happy to have been a part of that point in time where I got to go to Jamaica, a group of people who just have so much biomass available.

2:11:47BubblemanThis was even before they were planting plants just to extract. They just had so much trim or mash, as they would call it, That it was a no-brainer to go there and make hash. Anyone to this day, if you're going to Jamaica, bring a set of bubble bags, find a cool dude that has access to a field, make some fresh frozen bubble hash, and when you leave, just leave the bags behind because it's a really like...

2:12:12BubblemanLife changing thing to leave a grower with those bags. Suddenly they can, I mean, personally, I wish I could just go to Jamaica and buy the hash. I don't want to have to make the hash every time. It was a whole, it was a whole thing. It took days of my time to be like, just to try and buy like a 32 gallon bucket in Jamaica. First of all, that's going to cost you like 150 US dollars.

2:12:34BubblemanLike, and it's going to be square and all weird and fucked up and not fit your bags. And just, I don't know, you know, Nickity, you've been there.

2:12:44BubblemanIt's tough times.

2:12:45Nikka TI've dealt with that. Yeah. Finding, finding the right barrels. Yeah. How about ice? We end up finding these blue ones, these blue ones, these like, you know, I think they're like from the fucking government or some shit, these blue barrels that we ended up using and they're the right size, you know, and they're food grade too.

2:13:05BubblemanThose are the ones, yep.

2:13:08Nikka TTook some time though.

2:13:09BubblemanYeah, it takes time and you don't realize everything is so slow in Jamaica that it's like when you get there, like if I wasn't me and imposing my will and just nonstop working at making this happen, I'd eat ice. Dude, you have to be fucking militant. And then even still, it takes two and a half days. Luckily, I just started going to Jamaica for like 20, 30 days at a time.

2:13:31BubblemanBut if you're on like a five or a six day trip and it takes you two or three days before you even make your hash... I would be happy to just arrive and pay someone like a good fee for some nice bubble hash.

2:13:43Nikka TNow we've got, you know, fully temp controlled labs and fucking the hills of Negril and Orange Hill and shit fucking built over the years.

2:13:52BubblemanIt's unbelievable, dude. It's so good. I haven't been back in too long. I don't know how many years.

2:13:57Nikka TI know, me too. I really got to get back there, man. I need to go back yard.

2:14:02BubblemanYeah, get to the yard, hang out and smoke some. Some beautiful bubble hash. I love putting it on top of the steam pipes. I remember freaking the steam pipe guys out because they'd be like, no, you don't put it on the coals, like moving the pipe away. I'm like, dude, trust me, like, just let me put this on top of the coals. And after that, you know, it was like, hey, you got more for the coals?

2:14:25Davis AllenYou got more for the coals?

2:14:26BubblemanJust dropping six star right on top of the coals while vaping herb underneath. I've talked about this before, but if you have an amazing cultivar and you're vaping the flower, right, the hash off of the flower while simultaneously taking a dab of full melt hash or live hash rosin or something along those lines, that is like the tastiest. Fuck, I need to hit a rip right now.

2:14:51BubblemanWhat are we hitting?

2:14:52Nikka TYou're going to make me want to break out the steam chalice and take a hot tub. Dude, I'm telling you.

2:14:57BubblemanThere's something to be said, man. When I first kind of discovered that, my own minor realization, certainly many people knew before I did, but that was kind of like, you know, one of the first vaporizers that I couldn't really figure out a vaporizer that existed before that and how powerful and strong it was.

2:15:17SpeakerOpium pipe is a vaporizer.

2:15:19BubblemanRight, yeah. It is. I just didn't see it like in India or Jamaica or sort of any of those spots.

2:15:27Etienne FontanHey, Nick and T, what are you smoking on, Nick?

2:15:32Nikka TRight now, this is some of my triangle. I'm smoking a lot of a lot of OGs. I still have gone back to like. Smoking my Ghost OG, my Triangle. And then like I've got, I started this morning, I think I started this thing, I'm on split four right now, but I think I started it with some spritzer. It's real like, it's Brunt candy type of vibe, but it has this extra little citrus from the Mac lineage and the Great Pie lineage and stuff.

2:16:02BubblemanDude, I saw your interview at Terp's Basil. The girl's like, what? What do you rather have, cookies or OG? Dude, that's why when you said OG, I had to laugh. It's a thousand percent OG. She's like, okay, fuck, I guess you like the OG.

2:16:18Nikka TAnd like, it's real. Like, you know, you ask me right now, I'm like, I got ghost OG right here, you know, I got the triangle, fucking... Right next to her, fucking... She's like, why? Why do you like the OG? It's, I don't know, it's fucking fire? It hits the right receptor site for me, you know? For my pain in my lower back, my sciatic nerve issue, it helps with that, but I can still function.

2:16:43Nikka TIt's clear-headed, it's creative, it's just... And then the flavor on top of it, the tennis ball... You know, gasoline, lemon, fuel type of vibe is just up my alley, I guess, forever. Once I found OG Kush for the first time in my homie Jorge's shed, he opens up this bag, you know, turkey bags. We were doing a bunch of work back then. And I was like, oh my God, I have to have that.

2:17:12Nikka TI only want that. That's different than the diesel or whatever it was, you know? Yeah, I needed it. And since that day, over 20 years ago, I can't have enough.

2:17:26CalebI still grow it.

2:17:27Nikka TI'm having an issue right now, though. I'm almost like it's genetic drift. Some might say that it's like that HLVD thing going around. It could be something like that. But fuck, I've been growing these OG cuts, this, you know, Ghost and the SFE and Triangle and stuff for, you know, 20 years or some shit. And they're just now starting to have some issues. And I don't know if I can work my way out of it or not.

2:17:50Nikka TI'm hearing that I can like cut from just the tops and kind of work my way out of it.

2:17:55BubblemanYeah, like tissue culture style or whatever.

2:17:58Nikka TYeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely want to TC them and clean them up, I guess, is the goal now. Because I've had these things for so long.

2:18:07BubblemanThat's scary when that happens to like special genetics.

2:18:09Nikka TI think it's garden hands too. Yeah. People that have been in my garden that aren't as crazy as I. I use a different razor blade for every plant and I've got 30 moms right now. I'm a little crazy and I'm OCD. I'm super clean. Not everyone's like that. Um, and I think it takes being like that for years, but then, you know, I just went on tour.

2:18:27Nikka TI'm traveling so much. I can't be the only one to have my hands on these OGs. Um, Yeah, anyways.

2:18:36BubblemanWell, we wish your OGs the best. OG to the world. May they be null and void of HLVD virus not exist in them. And maybe, or HL, yeah, just, that shit's terrible. It's scary. I'm pretty sure, I had seeds from a champagne hash plant that were 25 years old. And when I pop those seeds, at first I thought it was like that bitumen membrane that was stuck on the cotyledon when the seedling first popped up.

2:19:07BubblemanI didn't take it off fast enough. So sometimes that can like, you know, damage the cotyledon. And then if the first set of leaves come out, the epicotyl, they can kind of even be damaged by it. And I kind of thought it was that, but I was cutting it and cloning it. And it was just growing like... Like it had some fucked up virus. And after 25 years, I just I let it go.

2:19:30BubblemanI did not have the tools available to me to keep that particular one alive. I also cracked a lamb's bread. Around that same time, which Caleb, that's another interesting thing that happened in history. The lamb's bread, the cultivar in Jamaica, I think a lot of people mispronounced it or couldn't understand the Jamaican patois. So they turned it into breath. And a lot of people for a long time thought that it was the lamb's breath.

2:20:20BubblemanIt's definitely the lamb's bread, not the lamb's breath. And I never saw a single cultivar that they called lamb's bread. Lamb's bread just seemed to be like a kind of land racy, long flowering, narrow leaf drug cultivar, aka sativa. I saw lots of different plants that they called lamb's bread that were all nice in their own right, but certainly not the same population.

2:20:45Nikka TMy first time to Jamaica, you know, I started talking about the OG and stuff. Oh yeah, I'm on the most wanted. They called it the most wanted, but then you start seeing what they call OG and it's, You know, Jamaicans have a tendency to want to breed in general. It's how the island has survived is from breeding. So, you know, you can't blame them. But anytime I brought in a clone only cultivar to Jamaica, they're like, oh, yeah, man, we're going to breed it.

2:21:13Nikka TAnd I'm like, no, no, no, no. Keep this one. It's like, you know, that special one. No, man, we often breed. So anyways.

2:21:23BubblemanAnd then so many people bringing genetics there over the years. There was probably some really special. I would guess that anything that was even close to a land race would have come from India or that sort of side of things that would have ended up there in those earlier days. But what do you think, Sam? You spent some time in Jamaica.

2:21:45SpeakerI can remember the time that Some guys were on the street trying to sell herb, and they said, they walked up to me and said, hey, man, you want the pineapple skunk? And I says, well, I know a little bit about skunk.

2:22:10SpeakerI tried to explain to them that I bred the first skunk, but they didn't want to hear it. They wanted to sell me pineapple skunk, which was nothing to do with skunk, but whatever.

2:22:22BubblemanThose were like street dealers. Since then, many of the actual growers know who you are. And so that's like a very different, yeah, those guys that used to stand out on the side of the road and you just drive by from the airport, that was kind of wild times for as illegal as it was, that they were standing there holding like big spears in their hands. I love Jamaica.

2:22:46BubblemanOh, 420 people watching right now. That's kind of a nice number. It's been, I do, like I have mentioned before, I plan on doing 52 episodes of Hash Church this year. So we will be very consistent. If anyone has any ideas or wants to sort of, you know, have a little think tank in regards to ideas and concept, it does take a lot of time and energy.

2:23:11BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

2:23:29BubblemanWhatever happens to come up in conversation or in regards to what they're doing or what they're looking up to, what they're going to be up to here in 2025, I'm happy to hear from any of you that are on the panel right now in regards to what your kind of 2025 plans are, what you kind of... What you're thinking of doing a little differently this year than maybe you did last year.

2:23:51BubblemanI like to try and grow a little bit each year because humans, we do tend to grow slowly. It's not a quick thing with us. I'd love to hear from you, Stephen.

2:24:04SpeakerYeah, I was going to say my pivot has kind of been crazy from 2020 when I managed a dispensary and was getting my degree to going back to working with athletes and stuff now. My 2025 has been focused on the people who are going to smoke. They're already here. Like we already have their attention. And I think that community knows that we exist. My 2025 is trying to find a meeting place for the people who will not listen to anything once you say the word cannabis.

2:24:34SpeakerThere's a group of people who once you say cannabis, they hear all the negativity. So my goal this year is to talk about the endocannabinoid system, the fact that there's human and animal endocannabinoids, there's plant cannabinoids, and then there's synthetic cannabinoids. So my company has created a course that we're marketing to the NCAA, Major League Baseball, all the pro sports leagues. And we're using athletes as like the target audience to teach about the endocannabinoid system because it relates to their performance.

2:25:05SpeakerIt relates to their diet and it relates to meditation and mind body stuff. I think if we can get all of the pro athletes, this is why we're working with Ricky Williams doing this type of stuff. Our goal is essentially to shoot this off like a flare. If these scheduling like happens, it could be like a mountain that crumbles. And I don't want everybody to feel like we have no way out.

2:25:26SpeakerTo me, the endocannabinoid system is why we like the shit that we like. So why not educate people on that as a way that we'll always have out, you know, it'll always be our kind of anchor. So that's my initiative in 2025. And to be honest, like, I think people get it. I think people are surprised when, you know, they're ready to talk anti-cannabis and you tell them that bears, you know, hibernate using endocannabinoids.

2:25:53SpeakerWhen you tell them those different things, it takes them on like a totally different journey. And I, you know, I would invite anybody to join us on this journey because it's not just athletes, it's fitness, it's wellness, it's mind, body. And I think that's kind of like the whole essence of, you know, Hash Church. Like Hash is our gateway, but it's a gateway to a more holistic approach as, you know, civilized people, as we call ourselves.

2:26:18SpeakerSo yeah, I'd love to have an episode where maybe we bring in some athletes. We talk about the course. I think people would like that. It also applies to first responders and veterans too. So this is, I mean, this is everybody. Like this is our people who need it most. So yeah, that's my 2025 pitch. I think that would be a dope episode.

2:26:38BubblemanOh, I'm in for sure, dude. I'm putting it at the top of the list.

2:26:41SpeakerGo ahead, Seth. I absolutely agree with you. And yeah, For the last four or five, well, at least four decades, I've tried to reach out because it's no use talking to the converted, reaching to the converted. It's really a waste of time. What you want to do is you want to reach the unconverted, whether they're prison guards or sheriffs or preachers or whatever. Whoever is the anti-cannabis people should be the people we're trying to reach.

2:27:17BubblemanLike that. I like that too. So we got to start finding a lot of those people and inviting them on Hash Church. And they want to know.

2:27:27SpeakerThey got questions. They want to know where the people are. Because what I realize is science doesn't change policy. As a researcher, I wish it did. You know what changes policy? A bunch of people all knowing some information that the politician doesn't know. And they're like, what are these people talking about? You should come to this meeting and hear what's going on. And then they'll be now they'll be swayed to do something.

2:27:49SpeakerSo, yeah, I think like those people who are anti are always, you know, the people who make the biggest difference if we teach them just a little bit of what we know.

2:27:58BubblemanAbsolutely. Wade has his hand up and welcome, Wade, and Happy New Year.

2:28:04WadeThank you, Marcus, and great conversation this morning. I'm sorry I missed the first part of the show.

2:28:13WadeI've been thinking, I'll back up for a second. My goal for 2025 is to learn how to ask for help. I'm really good at giving help to other people. But I am spectacularly bad at asking for help. And it occurs to me that an excellent topic for one of our shows would be the whole area of compassion. I mean, we've managed to change the laws around cannabis because of its effects on the endocannabinoid system.

2:28:57WadeAnd for most people, that means its effect on my health or my child's health. And I think it can't hurt to remind everybody that it's the needs of patients that got us where we are. And in too many places, the adult use slash recreational part of the market has overrun patient access. And it's particularly an issue if you don't have money. If you have money, you can usually find in a legal state, you can find product and buy it and maybe it's what you need and works for you.

2:29:40WadeBut it's typically not cheap. And what we really need is, I think I've heard Sam say, cut...

2:29:53WadeI think we could carry that through to the medical products that we know can be made from this plant.

2:30:03WadeI'll just stop there for the moment. I certainly can think of a number of folks that would welcome the opportunity to talk about their work of providing cannabis products to folks who need it at no cost. That's always been one of my things. And I think it's a topic worth taking up. So I'll go back to listening. I probably have more to say today. But right now, that's all I got.

2:30:29WadeThank you.

2:30:31BubblemanAppreciate it, Wade. And those are all great ideas from Stephen's sport medicine endocannabinoid athlete episode to Sam talking about inviting the other side of the argument instead of preaching to the choir. That would be a rather intense, some good episodes of Hash Church. And I welcome that. And then Wade, of course, with a beautiful idea for a show with the basis on passion, that sort of thing that seemed to be The thing that pushed cannabis over the federal legalization here in Canada and certainly statewide legalization down in the US.

2:31:09BubblemanIt's so crazy that the guy who prosecuted Mark Emery in Seattle, Washington was the same guy who like spearheaded like legalization in that state. Like what a strange, strange world.

2:31:29SpeakerCompassion is really important. I can remember about 20 or 25 years ago when the attorney general, excuse me, the surgeon general in America was about to be Submitted for appointment by, it was from the, I guess it was from Clinton because it was from Arkansas. And they invited me to come and talk to her before she was taken in front of the Senate and the Congress for approval.

2:32:17SpeakerBecause they were worried she had come out for teaching children masturbation instead of having sex. And she had come out in favor of teaching, allowing cannabis to be used in American medicine. And they were worried that she didn't have the science strong enough. So I went and talked to her. Because at the time I was really at the top of the pyramid when it came to medical cannabis.

2:32:55SpeakerAnd I went and talked to her and I started to explain why they had sent me, the Democratic Party had sent me from Europe. She's, and I says, what is it that you were going to say when they question you? And I gave her a couple of hard questions and she goes, oh, I don't care about the science anywhere in the earth as much as compassion. If it helps people, we have to be compassionate to ill people.

2:33:29SpeakerAnd it was hard for me to disagree with her. And I says, you know what? That is the best approach.

2:33:37Etienne FontanThat was Jocelyn Elders.

2:33:39SpeakerYeah, correct. Jocelyn Elders, who was a really nice, sweet lady. And yeah, I went and met her at her office in Arkansas.

2:33:52BubblemanOh, shit, eh?

2:33:55DrWho's it going to be now? RFK?

2:34:00DrDr. Oz? Dr. Oz? Some other TV celebrity that this guy is going to appoint to basically be a human hand grenade inside our government? I mean, yeah, I'm very concerned about the direction that our country is taking.

2:34:19BubblemanDoes the U.S. government not need a hand grenade inside their government right now? Just out of curiosity.

2:34:25DrWe got a fellow who's about to get the keys to the White House.

2:34:29BubblemanEveryone just got a vaccine from a company that are serial felons.

2:34:35DrYeah, well, the most powerful person in the world should not be a puppet to dictators.

2:34:46BubblemanI think it's always been that way, though, scarily enough. No, no, no. You don't think that the past, however many governments there have been in both of our countries have not been like puppets to a dictatorship?

2:34:58DrNo, this is a completely different situation than any other person that's taken the realm at the White House. You know.

2:35:10WadeWell, I'm lying up here, Dave.

2:35:12DrYeah, yeah. I mean, I don't want to turn this into a political conversation, but, you know, this is the reality that we're living in. But, Marcus, let's talk about Hash Church episodes. So, You know, one of the things that you and I have been have bannered about is perhaps doing a solvent. You know, we had a solventless episode, right? With nicotine and all the, you know, masters of the solvent, solventless realm.

2:35:36DrYou know, why not do a solvent based? Thank you so much for joining us.

2:36:02DrI, you know, just don't know, like the busy bee people, maybe. I mean, there's a lot of innovations going on in solvent extraction. And, you know, it's... Bring on Murphy. Yeah, Murphy, absolutely. Murphy.

2:36:16Nikka TI'm so proud of Murphy. You know, I met her across the street from one of our first dispensaries. She was in the salon. And so to see how far she's come from bud tending for our shop after I pulled her from the salon to like just running the hydrocarbon world, I'm just, she's like one of my most pride, you know, proud moments.

2:36:36DrYeah. Absolutely. You should be, Nick, because she doesn't have a chemistry degree at all, but I can tell you I've sat in many of an audience and listened to her speak. Everything she says is just right on time. I mean, she does her homework. She's very thorough and, you know, the quality of the work speaks for itself, doesn't it? I mean, you could be the worst hash maker in the world and know all about it, not be able to translate it to somebody.

2:37:12DrBut when you went in her wake, you have basically labs that are producing high quality diamonds and getting The most productivity out of their machines and doing so safely without blowing themselves up.

2:37:27Nikka TI mean, yeah, I'd be you should be right now, you know, just some more fun, different things utilizing centrifuges instead of heat and pressure, if you will.

2:37:42DrYeah, so Nick, who else would be good for a solvent? You know, I was thinking like trying to get the Incredibles crew, you know, maybe reaching out to Derek. I'm pretty good in with Max and Telly, but who would...

2:37:54Nikka TEither way, Max, if you get a hold of Max, let him know to... He still owes me.

2:38:02Nikka TWait, no, sorry, it wasn't Max. It was Telly, Telly, Telly, Telly.

2:38:04DrOkay, yeah. I love them all. I probably wouldn't go there, but who would be good to get on a hash church panel and talk about solvents?

2:38:16BubblemanThere was a girl by the name of, I think her name was Jacqueline. She made her own reactors. She flew up and met me at my facility here.

2:38:27DrShe had a diamond miner.

2:38:30BubblemanI believe she has a degree in chemistry.

2:38:33Nikka TThere's a lot of good ones out there that I can think of. Teaching classes and stuff. You, you'd mentioned the Busy B guys. He, you know, he's a good guy, Boris and them. And, um, you could bring on, you know, even the, the solvent guys, like, you know, the, the guys that are distributing it, like solvent direct, you could get them to sponsor it and bring them on.

2:38:58Nikka TAnd, you know, some of the, uh, some of the equipment side of things like Alex at C1D1 Labs and, you know, I don't know. I work with all of those guys very, very closely still to this day. There's no division between a lot of us hydrocarbon and solventless guys, even though I got it on my sleeve.

2:39:19DrI was thinking about like JD Garrick from Illuminated. I mean, I think their rigs are just about the best that are out there. Right, Nick? I mean, I I don't know.

2:39:32Nikka TPeople are talking really good about the illuminated crew and they've been doing a lot of rounds lately. So, yeah, that's right.

2:39:39DrAnd Chemtech centrifuges, you know, for separating sauce from diamonds. You know, they have the explosion proof. Thank you for joining us.

2:40:15SpeakerSeveral decades ago with ultrasonics and alcohol and just doing a ultrasonic shake for less than one minute. And what we got was just pure gold. I mean, it was amazing.

2:40:33Nikka TThe yield was only about 85%. Yeah, the cool thing we realized with using a centrifuge rather than pressing is under vacuum, you know, you can basically utilize a lot lower temperatures and control temperature under vacuum utilizing the centrifuge and strains like Oreos that like to me are one of the blandest strains out there. Some crazy terpenes came out of pressing via centrifuge cultivars like that. So there's some cool, you know, retaining volatile compounds, if you will.

2:41:07Nikka TWith that technology, I'm intrigued by it. I haven't really seen it be viable yet. But always future playing is what I love to do.

2:41:18DrYeah, so I think that would be a great episode on Hash Church, right? If we could get like Murphy and get a few of these other folks on there to talk about solvents. You know, it's solventless and solvent is like the yin and the yang, right? I mean, it's, you know.

2:41:35Nikka TIt wouldn't be one without the other, you know, like we copied a lot of what they did. For sure, you know, in the beginning, it's where the term even came from, where the term solveness was. I was just basically copying what I was seeing in the hydrocarbon world and being like, well, I want to replicate that. I want to copy that. I want to make something that dabs with zero residue.

2:41:57DrYeah. And Marcus, we have basically, we put on hold the episode about the abstracts guys getting them on with Nick, right? We wanted to have the volatile sulfur kind of expert.

2:42:12BubblemanYeah, I want to have that show. I guess that show, I think Nick is the gatekeeper to that because it's a matter of everyone. His availability, right? Well, not his necessarily. It's his two colleagues. Who put the equipment together that was perceiving the one trillionth, right? Like every time I asked him to speak about that when he worked at Yakima Chief Hops and they were like finding files, that's when they found the 1400 files in the hops.

2:42:41BubblemanIt was because of this piece of equipment, or it was really multiple pieces of equipment kind of jerry-rigged together. I don't know. I could be completely wrong. But anyway, these two people are the people that can speak to that piece of equipment. They're the ones that did it, and they ran it. So he just doesn't want to... Thank you for joining us.

2:43:23DrYou know, she gives a really good talk. So yeah, I mean, this is, I think, like, the cutting edge frontier of cannabis chemistry today is these thiols. It's like, we know about the terpenes, we know about the cannabinoids, the thiols, I think, are like some of the last nuts to crack here. And the other thing that's really cool about it is that You know they're they're approaching this I love the the word that they use they call them flavorants you know so I mean these are flavorants and yeah would they be different in different you know plants or different fruits or different vegetables no mother nature has the same chemistry set in all of her plants and all of her fruits and vegetables so You know, they find similarities between hops and cannabis, but they also find some of the dankness that you find in certain other vegetables and some of the citrus notes and some of the fruity notes.

2:44:25DrI mean, again, there's lots of commonalities in those chemistries. And I think the Hash Church audience would love that because I think it would be a great discussion to understand, again, Part of the artisan nature of small artisan cannabis is the preservation of those volatile compounds. Maybe they're not necessarily terpenes. Maybe they're these sulfur compounds or esters or aldehydes. We don't know. But these groups are basically at that frontier cracking that nut.

2:45:00DrAnd that's, to me, the most exciting stuff going on in cannabis today.

2:45:05SpeakerGo ahead, Laura. Especially if they're contributing to modulating or potentiating the cannabinoids. Yeah, we're going to find that out.

2:45:27DrWe're going to find that out.

2:45:29SpeakerYeah, that's really, really interesting to me.

2:45:32DrYeah, we're going to find that out. That's going to be, I think, so I'm actually going to speak with Ian this week, and I don't know, but he's got a couple of projects in mind. And I think, yeah, how they potentiate and modulate is going to be part of that discussion, Sam. So I'll keep you posted. Maybe I'll reach out to you between now and next week.

2:45:52SpeakerVery interesting. Yeah, very interesting. I want to keep that rolling, but I just wanted to comment on the episodes. Steven, just three quick things. Steven talked about the one with the athletes. I would love that. I would love to see an array, like, you know, the kind of spread of a boxer with an X game athlete, with a tennis player, with a soccer player, you know, it would be cool to see the spectrum of athletes and their perspective to see them connect on that.

2:46:26SpeakerAnd then the one with service people, I would love for a Cal Fire person to be on there talking about their grow, because there's a couple Cal Fire guys out here that have their own garden. There's a couple people who were former cops, you know, former deputies in the area of sheriffs, you know, that have their own grows. It's like a different world here. The cops kind of approach it differently.

2:46:51SpeakerSo it'd be interesting to hear that side of it.

2:46:56SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

2:47:08SpeakerThey work the Busy Bee system, you know, their whole, I can't speak much to it. I know that their building is basically a closed loop. You know, they were responsible last year, they made 3 million grams of, you know, just in their hydrocarbon department alone. Like they've been doing it for a long time. And there's some big producers, you know, big shout out to Gary and Micah and those guys who run the lab up there.

2:47:34SpeakerSo those would be some great guys to hear from. I remember Frenchie, you know, he schooled me. Frenchie schooled me on, you know, he was talking to this group of hydrocarbon guys and, you know, I thought Frenchie was just going to do the old, you know, solventless is somehow superior, you know, but he was like, you don't even know. You know, he was saying how that technology is precious.

2:47:58SpeakerYou know, it actually comes from France, Nice, France, you know, terpene extraction is a really old, ancient, precious art. It's a very, it's a precious art to his place from Nice. And he, I can't say it as eloquently as this gentleman did, but he really schooled these, made their jaws drop to the ground, just like, I was not expecting Frenchie to say that, but that was, that was excellent.

2:48:22SpeakerYou know, just kind of hearing his perspective of how deep of a connection he has to that side of terpene extraction coming from the perfume industry from so, for so long ago.

2:48:35BubblemanYeah, the understanding of preserving those aromatic volatiles the best that we can. It's definitely a big part of the hash world. Yeah, I think it's why I just love hash over rosin every time. The way the glands hold in everything just seems to be more preserving. It just it seems to be well, it's the delivery system that the plant decided to produce it out of. So it's like to just have it in that little casing, that little gland head.

2:49:09BubblemanI'm just, I'm always the most excited about it. I like rosin and whipped and greasy and sugary and all the different ways.

2:49:17DrMarcus, you know, it dawned on me too, as I was looking through some previous episodes of Hash Church from years ago, that maybe we should have Jessica back on and maybe even like a patience episode, you know, where we can get Wendy and Colton and And, you know, see how they're doing. See how these patients are doing. You know, we're all patients in a way, I guess.

2:49:50BubblemanYeah. Wendy and Colton. I'm just taking notes while we do this.

2:49:53DrYeah.

2:49:53LoganSo I was going to mention maybe maybe doing an analytics episode where we do an episode comparing analytics and yields. From different strains, whether it be solventless or solvent-based. Dry sift versus water hash versus hydrocarbon per se. I think it'd be cool to bring everyone together.

2:50:15BubblemanVery cool conversation. Rebecca, you said, right?

2:50:24DrWe're talking about the patients one again?

2:50:27BubblemanYeah.

2:50:29DrSo Jessica and Jessica from Pittsburgh and Antonia, her daughter. And I was thinking of Forrest, right?

2:50:41BubblemanForrest, yeah.

2:50:43DrYeah, we haven't heard from him in a while. I mean, Wade, is there an update on those folks?

2:50:49SpeakerA pyramid, but he came to medical campus. And I went and talked to her and I started to...

2:51:00BubblemanSorry, I had to mute Dr. David's mic. And welcome, Dr. David Allen. He came in, I think he had a TV on in the background. It was coming through loud, but welcome to the show, good buddy.

2:51:17DrSo, Wade, I had asked if you'd heard from Forrest lately?

2:51:21WadeYes.

2:51:26WadeUh, the short version is Silas has been free of seizures, uh, going on four years now. Wow. Um, he's in high school, um, still has some challenges health wise, for example, uh, The type of diabetes that's inherited from the genes is now a new threat in Silas's life. And that's a whole nother dimension about getting food into it. A boy that Yeah, anyway, he's doing well enough that he's as big as Forrest is.

2:52:07WadeAnd I don't really know if any of you met Forrest in person, but he's a large human being. And so, yeah, Silas, his physical body is doing quite well, other than the diabetes. There is a challenge that the specific version of a plant that was named Medihaze,

2:52:33WadeLong story short, yeah, that particular version of it, we seem to be out of it and we're getting low on the oil. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:53:07WadeThank you for joining us today.

2:53:35SpeakerThe MediHaze oil that you're talking about, was it analyzed for terpene and cannabinoid content?

2:53:44WadeYes, we do have test results from different farmers of that plant. I don't have any of it in front of me, Sam, but yeah, I assure you Forrest is working on it and I will get up to speed with him on what he sees as a potential benefit for Silas.

2:54:11WadeAnd yeah, I would love to share that information with you, Sam.

2:54:19BubblemanWell, it's another great idea and I have it in the notes here. So I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight good idea for shows, which just as I looked up and saw Dr. Allen on the screen, I was like, well, there's like probably a couple more we could throw in there. So it's good. The more good ideas we come up with for shows, the better, less stress on me, and I can make sure we deliver something positive.

2:54:44BubblemanEvery week for, geez, you know, the three to 400 or 500 people that seem to want to hang out with us for three or four hours on a Sunday afternoon.

2:55:01BubblemanHow are you doing, Dr. Allen? Oh, go ahead, Caleb.

2:55:04CalebJust some quick more, I guess, episode ideas. Perhaps like a more music one. There are like rappers now that specifically rap about dabbing and hash. I bet they'd be an interesting talk. And also more on what Wolverine Dabs was talking about earlier. There are like a handful of people who are going to wash and make rosin or hash from whatever their favorite cultivar is no matter what the yields are and so like highlighting i guess like the people who are doing that with the terpenylene dominant stuff the haze hashes like the vietnamese hash like jerry with first cut farms or someone on the east coast that also has a vietnamese hash and they're the only two people i know like in the whole world that do And, um, that type of, um, guest episode would be interesting, I think.

2:55:54CalebAnd then also, uh, hash and food pairings, which is definitely like a bleeding edge, um, with like the, the chef at the Gangier campus, Alex, or the hash sommelier and, um, The food and hash fruit pairings, rare fruits and rare hash pairings that she does. There's a lot that goes there to like breaking the stigma of hash for flower users or the completely uninitiated.

2:56:22BubblemanExcellent ideas. And I have them all down. I particularly like the hash and food pairing once. I did an interview years ago with my friend Merlin. And it was kind of in that vein. And it was this guy, Pete Evans. And he seemed to be a pretty cool dude. He was like, I guess he was pretty mainstream back home. But just right when I met him, he just was like, blah, and just like took a right turn in his career and became this like, he was like the enemy on TV in Australia.

2:56:49BubblemanHe was just like, yeah, I'll tell you when mainstream comes after you and wants to decimate you, watch out. Because I think it might have happened to him, at least for his career. But he was a cool guy. And it was all he was a chef. He had sold like, I don't know, 20 or 30 cookbooks. And he was quite well known. He was a very mainstream chef in Australia.

2:57:12BubblemanVery well known, like on their cable TV and stuff and very well known. So he suddenly became very popular. He definitely would have been speaking against the COVID-19 vaccine vocally right when it was happening. So that's who Pete was. God bless him. How you doing, Dr. Allen? I muted you. So now you have to unmute yourself. I can push this button that says ask to unmute. And it might bring up a button on your screen.

2:57:43BubblemanIt is trickier to find the mute and unmute button when you're on this Zoom on a phone.

2:57:47SpeakerAll right. I think I got it. There you are.

2:57:49BubblemanThere you are, dude. How you doing? Happy New Year.

2:57:52SpeakerHappy New Year, Marcus. So happy to be here. I got a couple things I would like to say about this conversation. And the first thing is growing cannabis is a human right. Here's why. Because if You can't put it in your food if it costs $10 a gram. So if you can't grow cannabis, it prevents you from using it as a nutraceutical. And everybody should know that cannabis is a nutraceutical and metabolic essential.

2:58:32SpeakerAnd the reason it's a metabolic essential is because if you block the CB1 receptors, Sperm cannot enter the ovum, so it's necessary for you have an intact endocannabinoid signaling system for conception to occur. And I call it the endocannabinoid signaling system because, as you know, many of the scientists that studied cannabis were affected by the society That hated cannabis. And they didn't know the word cannabis. And so they named it the cannabinoid system.

2:59:19SpeakerAnd it's not cannabis. It's cannabis. And that always irritated me. The endo and even Rashulam called it the endo cannabinoid system. It's the I call it the endo cannabinoid Thank you. Appreciate you as always, Dr. Allen. Appreciate you as always.

3:00:08BubblemanVery cool. Very cool. I think that you should definitely be in touch with Stephen Philpott and with what he's doing with his course and stuff. I think he would be of good value to Stephen to put you guys... Hook us up.

3:00:25SpeakerI'd love to talk to anybody to collaborate with. Love it.

3:00:32BubblemanLove it.

3:00:33DrElaborate, not collaborate.

3:00:36BubblemanIt's not collaborate, it's collaborate. It's the endo-colliberate. That was good, Dr. Mark. That was good. I thought about it in my head, but you did it.

3:00:45Etienne FontanYou did it, you sneaky Pete.

3:00:49BubblemanThat's great. Those are some good ideas for shows. Can I suggest one more show, Marcus? Of course. I got 52 to fulfill, so. Perfect.

3:01:01SpeakerOne thing I'd like to suggest we talk about is cannabis and mental health, because I don't think that that's discussed enough. And I think for some people, it's been such a massive tool and key for them to access their life and their community that I think this would be a great platform To just have one more place where we can talk about this, where people are actually listening.

3:01:20BubblemanYeah, I think that's pretty good as well. I think it's a very tricky one in the sense that do you go the way... Where you only show people who had good mental health experiences from it, or do you also add the other side of the scope, which I only know about this because I had a roommate who definitely was not better off smoking cannabis, at least to the levels that he was doing it at.

3:01:46BubblemanAnd so there's some people who are affected negatively by their mental health. From cannabis, whether it's overusing it, whether it's like taking high concentration dabs. I've only met a few of them in my life, but I happen to live with one and knew him very, very, very well. So I certainly wasn't mixing it up and I was certainly not biased to be painting that picture. I tried to sort of deny that picture for a long time as I was quite younger, but as it was undeniable at one point, I sort of, I could see it that, yeah, maybe not for everyone.

3:02:23BubblemanWade, you've got your hand up. Go ahead.

3:02:26WadeYeah, I want to jump in because one of the things that I think Hash Church... You hit your mute again, Wade.

3:02:40Etienne FontanYou started into that and you said Hash Church, then you hit your... There you go.

3:02:44WadeSorry, shaky hands.

3:02:49WadeWhere was I? Oh, I think it's one of the challenges that we on Hash Church need to address. We routinely glorify heroic doses. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:03:24WadeThank you for joining us.

3:03:43WadeThank you for joining us.

3:04:03WadeI love getting high. I'll leave it at that. That's so good.

3:04:08SpeakerI can't tell you how proud I am that you call it the endocannabinoid signaling system. We should spread this worldwide.

3:04:19BubblemanWell, you know, you're not the only one that thinks it's important to have the proper language. Chimera, who's not here today, he is in the YouTube chat or he was earlier. Oh, no, he's there. He's very much about like making sure that we share the same language, that it's an accurate language, that it's the properly agreed upon language.

3:04:41DrTerminology is very correct. So, Mark, two other ideas for episodes.

3:04:47BubblemanLove it.

3:04:48DrYeah, so we did this once before. We had the all-woman panel.

3:04:54BubblemanYep.

3:04:55DrAnd then did we ever pull this off Spouse Church? Did we ever do that?

3:04:59BubblemanWe never did. We never did Spouse Church.

3:05:03DrBut we were, if I remember correctly, weren't you and I thinking about this and we weren't going to tell anybody. And then all of a sudden, there it is.

3:05:13BubblemanYeah.

3:05:13DrYour wife was going to start it. My wife was going to get on. We were going to have spouse church. Let's see. I think that would be hilarious.

3:05:21Etienne FontanI'll get my wife. She'll join in. Yeah.

3:05:23DrYeah. But we can't tell anyone it's going to happen, right? We can't. We can't telegraph. It's kind of like told like four naked spontaneous spouse church. Anyway, two crazy ideas. I like it. That's great.

3:05:37BubblemanI think I have a dozen ideas now just from that. So that's pretty great. Now I will be reaching out to each and every one of you that offered me an idea because you will be helping me organize and co host that episode. So throwing all these great ideas, Dr. Mark, but well, Caleb as well dropped three and Yes. Yeah. Should be good. Should be fun.

3:06:01SpeakerTo Caitlin's idea of mental health, you know, I think somebody good to have on that idea like panel would be Dr. Miyabi Shields. And I think also Dr. Ethan Russo as well. That would be an amazing, you know, that's just two to start, you know, that'd be amazing.

3:06:26BubblemanYeah, this this month, we should be hearing from Dr. Miyabi, as well as her colleague, Riley, Dr. Riley, I think.

3:06:35SpeakerYes, Dr. Riley.

3:06:37BubblemanSo I've been in touch with both of them. They're planning on coming on and letting us know all about their new podcast. And I've also spoke to them about potentially being a part of Dr. Allen and I's new show, The Cannabis Journal Club. So it's all coming together. So yeah, I wrote that down for Caitlin's show on mental health. So you'll have to, well, what I would suggest that everyone that gave an idea like Steven, who talked about sports medicine and the endocannabinoid signaling system and the athletes, Sam, who talked about inviting the other side of the argument for some rather intense episodes, Wade with his idea for a show on compassion, Dr. Mark came in with the solvent episode.

3:07:20BubblemanWell, I've already been a little bit on that. We're creating. This is how it's easiest for me. We create a list. We create the phone numbers, the email contacts. And then once I have multiple ways of getting a hold of them, I can track them down and it becomes fairly easy. I think we should do a solvent less show, i.e. a full mouth bubble hash episode. Also, Dr. Mark, which was, I just have it as Nick Ziegler, The Abstract, Twinkle, Nick Ziegler, his two colleagues, you, Jeremy Plum, Chimera, Skunk Man, Sam.

3:07:54BubblemanThe Patient Show with Wendy and Colton and Jessica and Forrest and other folks. I guess that ties into possibly similar to Wade's idea for a compassion show. episode wolverine buds mentioned an analytics episode uh caleb had a bunch of ideas music rappers who sing about cannabis the uh highlighting the people who are washing terpene terpenylene dominant materials like the real small percentage of the small percentage and then hash and food pairings um I have a doctor show with you, Dr. Allen.

3:08:30BubblemanCaitlin mentioned cannabis and mental health, both positive and negative sides of cannabis use. I added Dr. Mia Bee and Dr. Ethan Russo there as well. Dr. Mark mentioned the all-woman panel, and Dr. Mark also mentioned Spouse Church, which is pretty hilarious. So there's a bunch of ideas that those of you that are watching right now, the 400- All right, Mark, I have an idea.

3:08:53SpeakerPlease, please. Uh, many anti-cannabis people come up to me and one of the first thing they say is, uh, cannabis is associated with schizophrenia. And, um, you know, there's no studies that proved a direct correlation, but, but here's some information for people. People have been smoking cannabis for hundreds of years. And the incidence of schizophrenia is the same in every country all over the world. And the incidence of cannabis use has skyrocketed since the 50s.

3:09:42SpeakerAnd if schizophrenia was directly associated with cannabis use, Then there should be a massive increase in schizophrenia since the 1950s, which has not occurred. Now, does that mean that's delineative, that there's no correlation at all? No, it doesn't. But people that are in mental trouble use cannabis because it calms them down. And so you would expect schizophrenia people to be using cannabis at a little bit higher rate than the average person, but there should be schizophrenics everywhere.

3:10:29SpeakerAnd the same thing about driving. They associate cannabis with bad driving habits, but there's a U.S. patent on, or there's a study on this. It's called...

3:10:50SpeakerDriving habits under the influence or it's called sexual differences in the driving performance of people are using cannabis. And what they did was this was an NIH study, National Institute of Health. And what they did was they took people and they put them on driving simulators. And they would put like animals driving out in front of them and they would test their reaction times and their amount of crash avoidance.

3:11:27SpeakerAnd you have to kind of look through the whole study to really delineate what's really going on because the summary is a government summary and they're not going to say, okay, it's safe to use cannabis. But if you read the tables, Especially table two, it proves that women, what they did was they'd give them cannabis and examine them and then they would, or they'd let them do it first without cannabis and then they would let them do it after smoking cannabis.

3:12:02SpeakerAnd women had no difference in reaction time or crash avoidance. But men had 1.1 seconds faster reaction time and three times better crash avoidance. So now this isn't a definitive study that shows everything, but on some studies, apparently, even government studies, it shows that you are no worse a driver when you're smoking and maybe even safer driver when you're smoking cannabis. But you can't just look at the summary.

3:12:43SpeakerYou have to look at the charts to determine what I just said.

3:12:47BubblemanI love it. Just coming out of left field constantly with all the most random, awesome shit. Thank you, Dr. Allen, for sharing. You're welcome. That's pretty cool.

3:12:59Etienne FontanThere's a lot of studies in the last five years regarding safety and travel and vehicles.

3:13:08Etienne Fontanof course the ntsb and others have buried these studies because they don't necessarily want this information out but if you actually do do a google search on it you will find quite a few different studies in different countries regarding cannabis use and driving uh we of course uh here in america we are dealing with you know the insurance institutes are still trying to find a pathology or a way to test for how high you are right because there is actually no test to figure out if you are intoxicated regarding cannabis there is tests regarding right how alcohol is done but currently the only way to know you know you can do a blood test until there's cannabis in your system but that can stay up to 40 plus days depending on your usage etc but there is no Thank you so much for joining us.

3:14:17Etienne FontanYou know, some of those studies regarding in countries because there's European countries in the EU have done these studies as well. And they have proven exactly what Dr. Allen has stated is that the cannabis drivers are sometimes safer than non-cannabis users.

3:14:35SpeakerThe same person not using cannabis. Correct. In addition, There's probably a major difference between chronic users who are experienced and new users.

3:14:54Etienne FontanSo, Stephen, you just said that we all metabolize cannabinoids differently, so they'll never be able to find a test that will be able to single shot is what your science is telling us.

3:15:11SpeakerIf you understand why the blood alcohol content work, it's because we understand how alcohol is metabolized by the liver. We know that consistently enough to go, if you have this much alcohol in your blood, we're going to consider that impaired or intoxicated. It doesn't exist for cannabis. And to me, you would be trying to like shoot a moving target, you know, that's like in space trying to do something crazy like that.

3:15:39SpeakerAnd the officer would have to ask you, are you a chronic user or a newbie?

3:15:45SpeakerYeah, there's just so many factors that play into it. And then like, even the medical use, you know, I'm like, hey, what about the person who has Parkinson's who consumes cannabis to actually stop their tremors? Are they then safer when their system is now being regulated, but they have it in there? See what I'm saying? The cannabinoids don't actually equal impairment all the time. Sometimes there's a net increase in function.

3:16:11Davis AllenI think Dr. Zachary Walsh, who's based out of UBCO, he did... I remember back in 2018 I want to say that he was doing some research into cannabis use and driving and just like you guys are saying back then he was communicating exactly the same point that it's very individualistic as well as someone who's new to it versus someone who's experienced with cannabis would have different you know potential levels of impairment and so ultimately it's problematic to try to Create like a standard protocol, whereas with alcohol, you know, blood alcohol content is relative to how much alcohol is in you.

3:16:49Davis AllenI mean, if you're big or small, maybe if you're a bigger person, you can have a bit more alcohol. If you're smaller, you could you less would put you over the limit. But with cannabis, it doesn't really work in the same way.

3:17:01BubblemanThey're missing the point. This is how they should be doing the study. It doesn't matter what you think, how well someone reacts or doesn't react. The study should be about this. You give keys to a person who hasn't consumed cannabis and they jump in the car and they drive away. Then you get that same person high on cannabis, maybe uncomfortably high. And guess what? None of them will take those keys and get in a car and drive.

3:17:28BubblemanThat's the difference it has from alcohol right away. That's the study. Because alcohol inhibits, you know, you're like, oh, oh, yeah, like I can do it. It's like Dunning-Kruger. Alcohol is like Dunning-Kruger on crack. It's like steroid Dunning-Kruger. You're just like, oh, I'm so fucking good. I'll be okay to drive. Cannabis is like humble pie. I just got higher than I want to be. And 100% of people would be like, I don't want to drive right now.

3:17:58SpeakerThat's an excellent point. It's a good point. Cannabis has its own governor. Especially, you know, if you smoke cannabis, I don't want to drive. I'll find something else to do. And so it's actually... It's own governor. It prevents you from going out and being crazy. Correct.

3:18:21BubblemanI saw it time and time again, mainly because I guess I was experimenting with these super high percentage and quality and purity extracts. So everyone I was around me was kind of getting exposed to this stuff, sometimes unwittingly, where they would just be like, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:18:57BubblemanYou can't be sitting out in front of my house, man. That's a heat score, right? Get in my house. So I'd bring them in the house and then just be like, wow, like that's so interesting. If they left my house hammered, like beyond drunk, like barely able to make it to their car, they would for sure drive, like for sure. They would think that is an absolutely great idea.

3:19:18BubblemanSo Dunning Kruger should do some alcohol tests because there's something to be said for that. You know, that weird mentality where you think you're better at something or more capable of something in a mindset that you absolutely are not.

3:19:35SpeakerBrave and crazy. Yeah, brave and crazy, I'll tell you.

3:19:39BubblemanThat's liquid courage.

3:19:44SpeakerShe might be right about the Dunning-Kruger thing, though, because it's a knowledge-to-confidence curve. And the less knowledge you have, the higher your confidence is. But the moment you get 1% more piece of information, your confidence drops. So the less information you have, the more confident you will remain. That's terrifying. And there's no such thing as an expert in the endocannabinoid signaling system. Because we're in the infancy of this science because this science has been repressed by law for 40 years or more.

3:20:28SpeakerAnd no one knows everything. And my advice to you is if anybody says I'm an expert grower, be careful because they may not be.

3:20:44BubblemanYeah, it's a dangerous. Well, it was like the great debate of LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never, ever, ever in the days called himself like the greatest to ever play the game. It's other people do that. If you have other people saying that for you, then great. You know, they can they can do that if they like. But if you're saying it yourself, like I remember when when Sam and I started Legends of Hash, And people would like, I can't remember where I first saw it, but it were these attacks.

3:21:14BubblemanLike those guys are so full of themselves. They think they're legends of hash. And Sam and I were like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Like we're, we celebrate. They're master baiters. They, uh, they, we were selling the idea of like, Appreciate being a hash aficionado. That was really what Legends was about. And then we would we would sort of promote for the evening a legend.

3:21:42BubblemanLike one year, it was the Gardens of Kafur, which Sam was talking about earlier. But it was also different, like sort of characters in hashish cultures over the years that we would celebrate Legends. City Hitty, that's right. We celebrated him one year. There was a whole variety of them that we did over the 13 years that we did it in Amsterdam. Baba Koo. Baba Koo was another one, absolutely.

3:22:11BubblemanThese are great. And when you came and sat down at the Legends of Hash dinner, there'd be a little folded out piece of paper for you that would have this storyline on who we were celebrating that year at the Legends of Hash. So no... We never were celebrating ourselves.

3:22:30Nikka TBring back the real legends.

3:22:32BubblemanThat's right, dude. Bring it back.

3:22:35SpeakerThe original gangsters. Bring it back.

3:22:39BubblemanIt was a small, special little event. It would be fun to get a lot of those people in a room together again one day because that was quite an experience, those old Amsterdam days. Who would have known that those would have been the days? I would have never guessed. That Amsterdam would change so drastically in regards to how it viewed cannabis. Surprised me. Not surprised you, Sam.

3:23:11SpeakerDid you just ask me a question?

3:23:13BubblemanYeah, I was wondering if it surprised you at how Holland, the Netherlands perspective on cannabis changed.

3:23:20SpeakerI moved to the Netherlands after visiting it in 84 and 85. I moved here. Today, it's completely changed. For example, we were driving down the freeway And my friend Rob was smoking a big giant Reaper. And we pulled, a cop pulled up next to us and pointed his finger at Rob when we were driving. And he freaked out. He was going to eat the joint or do something stupid.

3:24:07SpeakerAnd the cop said, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:24:38SpeakerDrive you while intoxicated and take your license away for a period of time. It's a real, you don't want to be pulled over or smoked while you're driving or under the intoxication.

3:24:56BubblemanYeah, it's easy enough for me to avoid. I love puffing, but I don't have to be puffing the entire time I'm driving in a car. It's like you could just have a giant session way before and get whatever you need to get out of the plant, but... Yeah, that's that's not one we're going to be changing the minds of many on anytime soon. I think personally, I don't think there should really have to be a test.

3:25:21BubblemanIt's like if it's an intoxication, whether it's a pharmaceutical or alcohol or even someone that for whatever reason was legitimately unable to drive properly on cannabis. If you're like a police officer, you should be trained at least to recognize what being intoxicated looks like. It doesn't mean you have to identify What they're intoxicated on, you just have to be like, I don't feel comfortable letting this person drive.

3:25:46SpeakerIn Australia, I saw police pulling over cars and testing the passengers for cannabis.

3:25:56BubblemanWas that on the way to Mullumbimby or Nimbin?

3:26:00SpeakerIt was on the way to Nimbin.

3:26:01BubblemanCalled it.

3:26:05BubblemanYeah, that's crazy, dude. That's like some Kootenay shit. They did stuff in the Kootenays like that back in the day where if you were like pulled over during like the season where it was time to plant your plants and you had like any type of gardening gear like shovels or pots or soil or tarps, like it could really lead you to be like be under an investigation just from getting pulled over at a roadblock with like gardening supplies in the back of your truck.

3:26:31SpeakerRight.

3:26:33BubblemanPretty brutal. Totally called that though. Nimbin. That's weak sauce. It's like, wow, like you really don't just dislike this. You fucking hate it.

3:26:45BubblemanLike they hate it. It's like a very strange, it's almost disconcerting how much they hate it.

3:26:51SpeakerThey hate it because they can't use it.

3:26:55BubblemanWow. Sometimes I think that's a good part of it, but there's got to be a reason why they hated it in the first place instead of appreciated the using of it. There's some other value they get out of it by hating on it, by keeping it illegal, by making it unaccessible. There's a huge value that they get for doing that. And that's... Yeah, that's another show. So too is freaking out.

3:27:21BubblemanWho said earlier, and then they freaked out. I think it was Sam. Yeah, Rob, freaking out. There's a whole show right there. Freaking out. Let's go into the depths of what it is that is freaking out. Because it is the worst feeling ever. It happens in an instant. Often it happens from a thought. And it's the worst reaction where I don't know if it's just like, I always think of it as like, Pumping a giant shot of adrenaline into my body, into my brain.

3:27:52BubblemanBut who knows what exactly is happening in the chemistry of the infamous freak out. And can any good come from freaking out? Next on Hash Church.

3:28:06SpeakerUsually not. Like looking in your mirror and seeing a police car.

3:28:13BubblemanExactly, dude. That's one level of it. It doesn't all have to be I got high and had a bad experience. It's literally the same experience that you just said.

3:28:22Etienne FontanRight, or realizing that you have to do the Jedi mind trick in the moment, right? Because, no, this is not the marijuana you were smelling, officer. No, no, this is not the situation that you believe it to be. Yeah. Oh my God, dude. You ever had those situations? I got stories.

3:28:38SpeakerI had too many. I remember with Pride when I was busted about 15 years ago in a hotel room, I was set up and there was like five police in the hotel room and I'm sitting there in handcuffs and I told the police, you guys don't have the educational level That's pretty crazy.

3:29:32BubblemanIt's pretty crazy when they start arresting the surgeons. It's like, it really goes to show you that like, all you have to do is speak out in promotion. It's why for so long, so many people hid their cannabis use because it was just like, it just kind of wasn't worth the potential life altering problems that came with it. I'm talking to all of you residents of the state of Texas.

3:30:01SpeakerOkay, I got something to say about that. That's a really important point. So as a heart surgeon, I was a specialist in protecting the heart from what's called reperfusion injury. And I read the cannabinoid patent, cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. And in that patent, it actually says That CBD will be used for open heart surgery during coronary artery bypass. And I immediately recognized, holy shit, this has great potential.

3:30:45SpeakerBut I couldn't tell any of my colleagues anything about this because if I said anything about these cannabinoids can protect the heart and brain during surgery, It would immediately out me as a cannabis user and I couldn't say anything to my fellow colleagues.

3:31:11SpeakerI want to mention one thing you were talking about, cannabis and driving. The first studies that showed that cannabis was likely making drivers safer was done in 1994 in the Netherlands. It was a study by Dr. H. W. J. Robe, R. O. BBE in 1994. And they had to do it in the Netherlands because they could not get permission at the time to do the actual driving studies in America.

3:31:55SpeakerSo they came, worked with the university here and did the studies. And it was absolutely true that the Driving was safer because people had a tendency to slow down rather than, you know, the way a drunk will speed up because he's invincible. I would love a copy of that. I've got bunches of them because I used to sell them from the International Hemp Association. This could be reviewed on Cannabis Journal Club for sure.

3:32:32SpeakerYeah, okay. Absolutely. I'll try and find you a copy. It's tucked away with all the rest of my cannabis 10,000 freaking items that I've got.

3:32:47BubblemanI would say it's more than 10,000, but I could just be completely wrong.

3:32:52SpeakerI wouldn't be surprised at all.

3:32:57BubblemanThat's awesome. Well, I'll make sure you guys get in touch and help out in any way. We just need a digital copy.

3:33:02SpeakerI do have a stack of those books. They're just not here at my house. But I might have a single copy here, which I can share with you. But at the very least, I can connect you with the book. Right.

3:33:21SpeakerDr. Robert Melamed had the biggest collection that I know of of cannabis scientific articles. I've got 4,000 or 5,000 PDFs, and I've got more than 2,000 books on the subject. Well, you need to be involved in Cannabis Journal Club.

3:33:45BubblemanHe's on the list for certain. He's one of the few MDs. Go ahead, Etienne. Sorry.

3:33:51Etienne FontanAfter Alan, do we have any way to figure out or find out what happened to Dr. Malamed's work? He passed away, I know, the other year. So do we have any idea if he left his his work somewhere?

3:34:03SpeakerI have a number to one of his close friends, but that's all I have.

3:34:12SpeakerBut he was a genius.

3:34:17BubblemanI loved listening to him talk. He had a real great way of speaking. You could definitely feel and see how intelligent he was, but he was also like a tripper and a, you know, like a real just lover of getting high.

3:34:32SpeakerRight.

3:34:35BubblemanI appreciate that. Yeah.

3:34:40DrHe made connections between nonlinear thermodynamics and the way the body has evolved. Which is really a very insightful way of looking at it. Because if you think about it, ever since Big Bang, the universe has become more random, right? Entropy is increasing. And he was able to kind of pull it together into understand why Certain biological phenomena are underpinned on defeating thermodynamics. And coming from someone like myself, who, you know, I'm a PhD chemist, I had to learn thermodynamics.

3:35:20DrEvery part of it, you know, I mean, I can really appreciate his thinking. He was definitely a very unique person in the way he thought about solving problems. Totally. I miss him. And I never met him.

3:35:38BubblemanPast Church misses him. I think he only made it on to a couple of episodes.

3:35:42DrHe was on a couple episodes, right? And he was super confrontational when he got on, right? I mean, I remember him coming to blows. I forget with who, maybe with Todd. Didn't they have a little bit of a... It's possible.

3:35:58BubblemanThere was something. I always got a kick out of that when it happens on Hash Church because it's funny. I think it was with Todd. Sounds about right.

3:36:08DrYeah. But yeah, he he has a couple interesting YouTube videos up that are definitely worthwhile watching. But you know, you know, you guys talk about your literature club and everything. That's really awesome. I'd love to participate too as well.

3:36:27BubblemanI have you on the list.

3:36:28DrYeah, I'm one of those people who believes that we do have a crystal ball. We can see into the future by ironically looking into the past. And so when the scientists look at the scientific literature, we're all standing on the shoulders of giants, even Mashula, Roger Adams. They're all standing on the people who came before them and the collective body of of peer reviewed research dealing with cannabis.

3:37:02DrIs now tremendous. There's a lifetime's worth of literature out there on just about every aspect of the endocannabinoid signaling system. David, did I get it right? Okay. On the plant, on genetics, on every aspect of just about every type of medical condition and how people have Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:37:59DrIs that cannabinoids are more like the phytocannabinoids in particular are more like vitamins.

3:38:10SpeakerIt's not cannabinoids, it's cannabinoids.

3:38:13DrCannabinoids. I'll get it right. One of these days I'll get it right.

3:38:19SpeakerSo we're documenting history. Right. The true history. And there's going to be a lot of propaganda, false history about this. And we got the true history.

3:38:31DrBut the nourishment of humans with the phytocannabinoids, I hope I said it right. Cannabinoids. Cannabinoids is nurturing a system that in your body can suffer from what people have termed endocannabinoid deficiencies that our body-

3:38:59SpeakerSo they had to alter it cannabinoid.

3:39:02DrRight. But if our body is able to make its own level of 2-AG and anandamide, people don't need phytocannabinoid supplementation? Is that basically what the theory says? Is that endocannabinoid deficiency is why humans use cannabis?

3:39:28SpeakerWell, it's a complex system. So it's not just a system of what makes the cannabinoids. It's a system that transfers the cannabinoids and a system that degrades the cannabinoids after they've been used enough and you don't want their use to continue working and you degrade the cannabinoids so they don't stay around long term. So here's something that happened to me. I fed my little Chihuahua a little bit of a cookie, cannabis cookie.

3:40:03SpeakerAnd he was out for three days. He couldn't walk, couldn't stand for three days. And what I got from that is the system that removes the cannabinoids in Chihuahuas wasn't as robust As the system in humans. So different humans, different animals have different abilities to metabolize the cannabinoids once they're there.

3:40:33DrBut David, isn't it also true? I mean, so the fact that cannabinoids or the metabolic products of these are fat soluble, so they're stored in fat. And as you burn fat, those compounds are then released. That's sort of an evolutionary mechanism to hold on to these beneficial compounds as long as our bodies can, right? So the fact that you can smoke a joint today and still have Right.

3:41:03DrRight. Right.

3:41:19DrWell, I think again, that's what sort of hampers the law enforcement aspect of being able to do a blood level alcohol measurement. Well, like they do with alcohol to say, okay, you have so much THC in your blood. Therefore, regardless of how you behaved, regardless of how you were able to pass a field sobriety test, this number from this biological assay tells us that There's enough THC or 11 hydroxy THC or whatever is in your blood to make you intoxicated.

3:41:55SpeakerThey want to change the reality. It's not how dangerous you are. We got a number that says you're automatically dangerous.

3:42:04DrRight, right.

3:42:05SpeakerSo they're not saying that you're dangerous and you hit something. They're saying we got a number that says we can put you in jail.

3:42:13DrRight.

3:42:17BubblemanThat seems extreme. I hope in the future one day people will be like, back in the day, if you smoked this one flower and drove a car, you could go to jail. And if you grew the flower, you could like, they could kick your door down, shoot your dog, take your kids and put you in jail. And I hope people are like, no, that never happened. That couldn't happen.

3:42:43DrWell, in a free market economy, when people make money off of those activities, they want things to stay as good and fucked up so they can keep on making their money. Think about people who sell breathalyzers. The drug testing industry, Marcus, is a billion-dollar industry. Billion dollar industry. They don't want people, our companies to not drug test their employees because their livelihood is derived from that revenue stream and they don't want that revenue stream to go away.

3:43:18DrThat company has got a big yacht in some harbor somewhere and he needs to make sure that he keeps that yacht. And so, yeah, there's tip top shape. I'm sure it is.

3:43:32SpeakerWell, if you also think about what communities and civilizations of the past would have to say, if you told them what we did and no more hemp, they would be like, you guys did what? Why? Like, they would be so confused. You know, at that point when it was in everything, it was baskets, like everything, people, sales, people. I mean, if you told them like, oh, yeah, that's not going to be allowed anymore, they would be like, what?

3:44:02BubblemanAnd that's impossible.

3:44:05DrLaura, do you know back in William Penn's colonial Pennsylvania and you were a farmer, you were taxed if you did not grow up. That's true. You'd get taxed if you did not. Because what did Her Majesty, the Queen of England, need to conquer the world back in the day of, you know, the British Empire? She needed ships. And what do you do? Ships across the sea, sails and ropes.

3:44:30SpeakerThat's exactly right. Yeah. Sales and ropes. Wouldn't have found the new world without him.

3:44:35DrHey, Chimera.

3:44:36SpeakerIt's the only natural fiber that can withstand seawater in that way. That's why they used it for ropes.

3:44:42BubblemanAnd the Dutch, because who was building ships better than those motherfuckers?

3:44:48DrAs they mowed down the old growth, whenever they found a tree that was like straight for like 80 feet, that was immediately cut down and sent to England or sent to the Netherlands to make mats out of because they need long strains or long straight trees to make masts, right?

3:45:10SpeakerCrazy. Listen, here's an important thing to remember for people on the church discussion. That was actual cannabis sativa. So think of the time frame. This is like, you know, this is free the use of and discovery really by the new world of cannabis indica, which is the drug THC producing cannabis. So all that fiber back then was hemp, right? It's none of that was we're not what we use today to describe sativa, right?

3:45:38Speakeris is an equatorial drug plant but cannabis the the word the the name was given to the to european hemp or northern european hemp which is cannabis sativa so that's why like you know we went through that period where we started calling it like narrow leaf hemp and broad leaf hemp but really like i think it's i think people using the word sativa so this the word sativa means useful or cultivated like that's the latin trans translation I didn't know that.

3:46:08SpeakerAnd so, yeah, we're really talking about a fiber plant and a seed plant, not a drug plant when we say sativa. Okay. Another Dr. Allen epiphany that I would like to spread to these people is cannabis and hemp are in fact money. And if you legalize cannabis or hemp in your state, money will come to your state in one of two fashions. If the people can grow cannabis and hemp, they will get the money and they will spend the money inside the state and the whole state will prosper.

3:46:49SpeakerIf the people are not allowed to grow cannabis outside cannabis cartel I'd like to call them carpetbagger companies. I don't know if you guys understand what that word means, carpetbagger companies. So carpetbaggers were the people from the north that came to the south after the Civil War and they would extort money from the south and they were called carpetbaggers. So if the people can't grow... Carpetbaggers will come to your state and they will extract the money from the state and they will spend it outside the state.

3:47:30SpeakerAnd you can't argue with that statement.

3:47:35BubblemanI wouldn't even try.

3:47:37SpeakerDr. Allen, I supplied the name of the book and the full name and the DOI of the book.

3:47:51SpeakerI forget the name. I just wrote it.

3:47:55DrDriving Study. The Driving Study from Netherlands. Yes, correct. It's in the chat, David, if you want to see it.

3:48:04SpeakerI'll definitely look that up.

3:48:10SpeakerHey, I wanted to jump in on one other quick little note. We were talking about the pronunciation of cannabinoids or cannabinoids. And I always thought it was cannabinoids too, but the more I traveled and got involved with international, like the neuroscience side, the researchers that work in the field of discovering everything that's going on in the brain and how the endocannabinoid system works, they all use the term cannabinoid, not cannabinoid.

3:48:39SpeakerYeah, won't they be surprised when they find out they were tricked by the society to call it cannabis? No, that's not it at all. It's an American-centric idea that cannabis is pronounced that way. There's other countries pronounce it cannabis, right, or cannabis. Oh, really? I didn't know that. It really is. Yeah, yeah, or cannabis. Like, so it's, it is in the way that we pronounce it in North America.

3:49:09SpeakerThat makes us. I'm a victim of that.

3:49:19SpeakerYeah, it's a tomato, tomato thing.

3:49:27BubblemanPronounced, yeah, how it's pronounced, eh?

3:49:34SpeakerSo I just wanted to add to the idea of the music artist by Caleb. Oh, Caleb, too. When you were talking about Jerry and that Vietnamese hash, I'm actually smoking that. That's actually been what I'm smoking. I just put two and two together. I was like, oh, nice. I'm actually smoking Jerry's hash. That's so funny. I just realized that. But it's really beautiful. There's nothing left, but it was...

3:50:04SpeakerOh, his Vietnamese land race strain that he has is really incredible. But I wanted to add to Caleb's music artists. I know this is changing the topic. I just didn't want to forget is I really like this group out here local to Mendocino called the Mendo Dope Boys. They are a music group. They're a rap music group, but they've also been growing for a long, long time and they've Definitely been reprimanded many, many times, been raided many, many times, but they're known really for their big-ass plants because here in, you know, here in, you know, they were like, okay, well, we can't grow a lot of them, so we'll just grow them really fucking big.

3:50:45SpeakerSo they were known for huge plants, but they were one of the first music groups that I've ever seen personally that, man, they took the biggest pot you could find, the biggest smart pot you could find, maybe 500 gallons, but They planted one of the biggest genetics they have in their library and they tamed it to go around a platform that eventually housed their recording studio. So the plant became their recording studio and they would step up into their cannabis plant and record their album.

3:51:18SpeakerAnd they did it all for the recording of their album. And, you know, Old E, he actually, the lead singer, The lead of the group and Bleezy Oldie and Bleezy have a mic stand and it's really cool. It's one of the biggest cannabis stocks and you'll see them on stage with a huge cannabis stock. So I think it would be really interesting to get a perspective from growers who are also music artists.

3:51:47BubblemanYeah, those guys are awesome. I don't know if both of them have ever been on Hash Church, maybe once, but I've definitely reached out to them in the last couple of months and been like, gotta get you guys on. Be sweet to have you on. That would be a good episode for that. Absolutely.

3:52:01SpeakerYeah.

3:52:04BubblemanI'm sure I could get quite a few artists. I was going to ask this question earlier and we only have about 10 minutes left. So maybe I'll ask it now. I was going to see what everyone's favorite cannabis based song was. It'll be nice to for the people watching, they can kind of go check out these different songs. For me, my all time favorite cannabis song is Got It Right Here by Sizzla.

3:52:29BubblemanSo I don't know if anyone's ever heard that track, but check it out. Got it right here. Sizzla Kalungy.

3:52:34Nikka TI have a dub in that tune. I got a dub in that tune.

3:52:38BubblemanOh, it's such a good tune, man.

3:52:40Nikka TIt's like such a, like, just arms in the air, like, yeah, this is such a tough tune. Smoke marijuana like we just don't care.

3:52:48BubblemanLike we just don't care, man. That's, that sums it up quite beautifully. Anyone else? Favorite cannabis tune? There's so many.

3:52:59WadeSmoke two joints? Before you smoke two joints. And then you smoke two joints.

3:53:06SpeakerThere's so many. I'd have to go with like 30 days. That's the toys. The toys did the smoke two joints. Billy Boyo.

3:53:18SpeakerI'd have to go with like 30 days in a hole or tool the pot or man, there's just so many of them. The one I always associate with Sam is I've Got Five on it. Oh, yeah.

3:53:34Nikka TCaleb's got the list. Billy Boya, One Spliff a Day, because he did that tune when he was like 12 years old. I think he cut that tune when he was like 12 in Jamaica. That's insane.

3:53:46DrNobody feels like working when Panama Red is back in town. Panama Red?

3:53:51SpeakerPanama Red. Panama Red.

3:53:55DrYou steal your woman, they don't rob your head. On his way to Nescolito, he comes strolling into town. Nobody feels like working when Panama Red is back in town.

3:54:07Etienne FontanCome on, Reefer Man. Yeah, it was from the 20s, but Murphy's Law did it back in the 90s. So yeah, I've always, I come from the punk hardcore side. So they were the true stoners over on that side. But yeah, I mean, but I mean, back in the 90s, when I used to go to all my dealers, you'd always hear, you know, legalize it, you know, which was always, you know, you got to give it up for, you know, Tosh, you know, For really putting it out there and laying it out there and it took his own life in the end, you know what I'm saying, by speaking truth to power.

3:54:43Etienne FontanSo he has always been an inspiration in the music, even though it is mellow, it's fucking hard.

3:54:50BubblemanYeah, his music's super good. There's no doubt about it. I was just going to say Marlon Asher, The Ganja Farmer. That's super classic. Dr. Drip, 710, just dropped that in the Info Warrior, Jello by Afra, Grow More Pot. That's pretty good.

3:55:07DrI don't snort the coke. I only smoke the sense of media. That's awesome. There's a super funny video on YouTube. Pato Bantan.

3:55:17SpeakerPato Bantan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a little known camera fact. I used to play in a band that we were quite heavily into cannabis, of course, as I always have been. I don't believe it. The name of the album was Green, Fat, and Tasty. You can actually find that on YouTube. There's a song in particular called The Leaf. So we were very, very pro-cannabis.

3:55:44Etienne FontanI had a band too. It was called Northern Lights No. 5 back in 1991 because we were growers as well as dealers in West Virginia. And yeah, we wanted to just do something that would call out to other stoners. And we got that from high times, right? Of course, I would come to meet and know and grow and smoke it. But yeah, it was surprising how many people knew what the band name, but then people were like, What does this Aurora Borealis number five mean?

3:56:16Etienne FontanIs that five times the intensity of the Borealis?

3:56:21Etienne FontanNo, it's just a fifth seed selection, thanks.

3:56:28BubblemanProps to that Northern Lights number two, the Closet Queen. I picked that up in Holland back in the day. That was one of our first grows in the mid-90s, 90, 95, I guess.

3:56:40SpeakerSo you guys would know this. Who did the police and helicopter song? You know, is that Eco Mouse? I don't know. I don't actually know.

3:56:51Nikka TJohn Holt was the original. John Holt was the original. Yeah.

3:56:55SpeakerOkay. Yeah. Yeah. John Holt.

3:56:57Nikka TEveryone remixed it. I mean, Marlon was on it. Marlon did a version of it. But the original, I believe, was John Holt. You're definitely correct.

3:57:08SpeakerNice. Very nice.

3:57:11Nikka TThis is history. I've run all, I run all of those. I have all the originals on seven inch still. Nice. That's what's up.

3:57:19Etienne FontanNobody mentioned Cypress Hill. I want to get high.

3:57:26BubblemanWell, maybe in church because they're still like busting out songs as we talk.

3:57:31Nikka TThere's so many good.

3:57:34BubblemanEveryone's got their favorites.

3:57:35Nikka TI have a ganja tune like folder for when I DJ cannabis events. And I think today there's probably 20,000 songs in that folder. It's pretty ridiculous. All different genres, you know, and started as just reggae ganja tunes.

3:57:52SpeakerCaleb, do you remember the name of the song? What have I told you that mentioned haze and skunk?

3:58:01CalebI'll look it up right quick.

3:58:03SpeakerOkay. I'm afraid I'm so spaced out that I honestly can't remember the name of the artist or the name of the song, but it's a great one. You're getting all high on that oxygen. And Cheech and Chong did a song that says, My mama and my papa try to tell me how to live. But I don't listen to them because my head is like a sieve.

3:58:28BubblemanNa, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.

3:58:33DrEarache my eye.

3:58:35BubblemanEarache my eye. Dude, that's some classic shit.

3:58:38DrDon't forget Little Feet's classic, Don't Bug Art That Joint, right?

3:58:42CalebYes, please.

3:58:43DrOh, hell yeah.

3:58:45SpeakerA little bit different.

3:58:46CalebThe song was Positive Herb, sorry.

3:58:48SpeakerNo, go ahead. Positive Herb, that sounds cool.

3:58:51CalebYep, that was the name of the song. By who? N-I-Y-O-R-A-H. I don't want to mispronounce it.

3:58:59Nikka TN-I-Y-O-R-A-H. N-I-Y-O-R-A-H. I don't want to mispronounce it.

3:59:09BubblemanWhat were you saying, Caitlin? I missed that.

3:59:11SpeakerI love Bob Dylan's Everybody Must Get Stoned.

3:59:16BubblemanOh, yeah. Listen, I can't believe I didn't say this, but Puff Puff Pass by Prophecy, which I had on my channel for years and years and years. Prophecy was the homie.

3:59:27Etienne FontanPass the touchy-pondy left-hand side. Right? Bunch of kids singing that one.

3:59:35SpeakerWhen I was in Cuba, I was paying the local great bands, the Cuban bands, to play Cucaracha. And they wouldn't play it correct. What they would play was the cockroach couldn't dance anymore because he had lost his... Vigor for Revolution.

4:00:08SpeakerNow that was the original Cannabis song, like Oogaracha. No, there was earlier ones. Absolutely. Oh yeah, in India and places like that. Absolutely. Man, this is history nobody knows.

4:00:28BubblemanWell, I'm telling you. This is history that's literally sitting in Sam's closet in a box. Hundreds of boxes. Rooms. It's not even a closet. It's an entire room and probably more. But that is something else.

4:00:46BubblemanStuff. Mendo Dope, Richie Spice, Dabin. Yeah, yeah. That's good to have in heavy rotation. No doubt about it. Well, 1259, we pulled off a full four hours. I want to thank everyone for coming out. We had 400 people watching live for most of the stream, so that's pretty awesome. Thanks for everyone that's watching Hash Church Season 11, Episode 1. We're going to have a lot more ideas.

4:01:09BubblemanAnyone that's on the panel, anyone that's watching, if you have an idea that you want to put forth, I'm super stoked to just get good people into good conversations and dialogues. And I feel like every once in a while we knock it out of the park in our conversations Our words are important and they mean stuff to other people that are watching. So that's no better reason to do something than that.

4:01:30BubblemanAnd like I said, all of the panelists, I won't go through everyone because there were so many here today. I just want to thank you guys for all showing up. And I hope that you're smoking full mouth, if not today, certainly tomorrow. So I will leave it at that. May the full mouth bless your bowl sooner than later. Peace out, everyone.