Music and Cannabis

0:16Bubblemanrecording in progress well you know what that means everybody it means welcome to hash church season 11 episode 2. yes today is episode 2. i've got a room full of people that i'm gonna let in here today we got a bit of a special episode today we're doing a one of the suggestions from caleb one of our newest panelists who was uh studying music and cannabis and he thought wouldn't it be cool to do a music and cannabis episode so look no further we're here to do a music and cannabis episode uh caleb's invited a bunch of different people from the water boys to mendo dope to a bunch of other really cool folks i invited only a few myself but um For this particular conversation, I really wanted to invite some of my Jamaican brethren.

1:07BubblemanAnd so Kazam Davis, who's in the room right now, reached out to me. Now, Kazam hasn't really been playing music a lot for the last few years, but he was deeply involved for a very long time at a time when I was spending a lot of time in Jamaica. I feel like I met Kazam through the Lickle Joe crew, which there was this guy Joe and he was just amazing.

1:31BubblemanHe was kind of taken off. His music was blowing up. It's really powerful music, you know, hair on the back of the neck standing up and Joe unfortunately had Brain aneurysm and he passed away. I believe he was 26 or 27 years old. And there was this whole crew of amazing musicians that I met through Joe's brother, Selah.

1:56BubblemanAnd Kazam, you would remember his other brother's name, Gideon, Gideon and Sila. So those were the two brothers. I went to their house. That's where I met. As well as Rebel Salute, I met a ton of amazing people from, geez, like going through the whole name. I have a video that I'll show maybe a little bit later on, but that's who Kazam Davis is. So I want to welcome Christopher Carr into the room as well.

2:20BubblemanAnd Dan, who just showed up as well as Caleb Chen. How are you doing this morning, Caleb?

2:27Christopher CarrWell, excited for today. Shout out to Kazam and Chris and Dan for showing up.

2:35BubblemanGreetings, greetings to family. Just fix my Bluetooth here. I'm having a little bit of technical difficulties.

2:45SpeakerBless and love from Santa Cruz. Giving thanks and praises every time.

2:48BubblemanOh, thanks and praises, man.

2:52SpeakerAlways.

2:56SpeakerHash Church, we're coming correct on a very special day.

3:01BubblemanYeah, absolutely, man. And shout out to everyone in LA going through this crazy fire. Is that you, Kazam? You speaking?

3:12SpeakerWhat's up, brethren? What's up, brethren? Greetings, everyone. Caleb. Yeah, man. Nice, nice, nice meeting everyone, you know?

3:23BubblemanYeah, man. Nice to meet you as well. Jeez, it's got to be 10 or 15 years since I met you. I feel like I met you through that whole Rebel Salute. I feel like I met your wife before I met you, actually. Yes, you did. There she is. Yes. Lorraine, how are you doing?

3:41SpeakerHow are you? Oh, you remember my name.

3:44BubblemanOf course. I remember. Listen, I feel like I met you before you were mummy. Yeah, I met you before you were mummy. So that's amazing. I hope you guys are doing wonderful. And it's nice to have you guys on the show today and sharing. This was, yeah, just, you know, a little music, a little cannabis, a little conversation. I felt like to have a conversation about music and cannabis, it would be difficult not to have someone representing from Jamaica.

4:16SpeakerThanks so much.

4:17BubblemanYeah, you know, Caleb has done some cool little, you know, deep dives on cannabis. We were talking last week about Caliweed and how he started looking for this, you know, term Caliweed in music and how he found so many different people using it in songs and titles. And he ended up saying that it was, you know, It was a lot had come from Germany, if I'm not mistaken, Caleb, that you found the most songs were coming out of Germany with that term.

4:48BubblemanAnd I thought the most songs that the most songs that use ganja have to come out of Jamaica. There's just no I don't even have to do the work. I just know that the most songs have to be coming out of Jamaica. I have been so blessed, so blessed with my experience in Jamaica over the years. Years ago, a good friend of mine by the name of Jose Toku, He took over this YouTube site called On Air FM and he said, listen, I've got this site.

5:21BubblemanThese two guys are from the Czech Republic. They wrote all the code. And this was about helping musicians monetize their music on YouTube. You can obviously do it yourself, which I monetize my YouTube and it's done by myself, but there's companies that can do it and they can kind of bring you in And help monetize your music. So my buddy was like, hey, do you think you could help me?

5:44BubblemanI'm going to go to Central and South America. I've got some other friends that are going to be going to Europe. I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind going to Jamaica. And so we ended up renting a booth. I brought a Rasta friend of mine from California with me to do the interviews. And we went to Rebel Salute in Jamaica, in Mo Bay. And I'm telling you, we met everyone.

6:07BubblemanIt really started... It started with the nomads, with Shepi and Evie and Bert and Bert. These were the first. These are the first guys. And they were different. You know, they were not like they were just different. They stood out. They had these crazy suits on. They had these real pointy shoes. And I would learn later that they were really like an they were like an acting troupe.

6:31BubblemanThis group of guys more. They were they were musicians, but also actors.

6:36SpeakerRight. Because I'm. Yes, we went to Edna Mall, the same Performing Arts School, not Edna Mall, but I went to Ex-Ed Performing Arts School for Music and Performing Arts, and they would often come there to get a couple of their... There are programs done at Edna, at ExEd. Yes. ExEd and Edna.

6:59BubblemanThey took me to Edna Manley School, the acting school. We went and saw Protégé when he performed his album from start to finish and he brought all the artists out and it was pretty cool to be at the school with the nomads and they're introducing me to all the teachers and all the different people so Really incredible experience. And then, of course, to meet up with all of you guys through that whole Lickle Joe group.

7:24BubblemanAnd there was so many of you guys when we brought these guys all over to the penthouse bar at this hotel in Kingston, Jamaica. Yeah, in New Kingston. So they all came over and the video's on YouTube. I'll have to put it in the chat so people can see. Dude, it was so good, man. Like Dexter Malawi. I mean, can you, Hempress, Hempress Sativa was there, you know, Kazant, Micaiah was there, Micaiah Shaman was there.

7:55Mendo DopesMicaiah Shaman, yeah.

7:57BubblemanYeah, so, so many amazing musicians and they just performed and they performed from their soul and it was so powerful. I remember actually like tearing up at that performance of this juxtaposition of these real Yard folks, you know, Jamaican yardies, like real local, you know, roots reggae people. And then we're at this hotel that's like where all the business people stay in Kingston, like the suits, you know, but we're all the roots representing.

8:31BubblemanAnd it was just, I'll tell you, man, I think about that moment in time a lot. It was, it was special to me, man. That was a real special time.

8:40SpeakerTrust me, my brother. It was really, I haven't sent vibes, you know, and trust me, all you guys, because even when you talk about luring at Rebbe Salute, how we went into Rebbe Salute that year was by, with a camera. None of us paid. We just snuck in with a camera and let in about 15 of us. I love it, dude. We just take over backstage. We just take over backstage like so.

9:07SpeakerWe are the main artists performing.

9:10BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, I saw Chronix that year and he really did kind of become the main act that year. That was the year, that was really the year Chronix blew up. It really blew up. I remember meeting him there. He had that little tiny backpack on and he was so young. I don't know how old he was, but he was young. So special. And then to be able to go over to Billy's place, the surfing place over in Kingston there.

9:40BubblemanYeah, Billy Mystic. And there was like the nomads brought me to some places there. That's where I met Kabaka Pyramid and Abashe and all of those brethrens.

9:49Etienne FontanJust amazing, awesome people, man.

9:52BubblemanHoly shit. I'll tell you, anyone that sings about cannabis and is into music absolutely needs to spend some time in Jamaica. It is, musically, I have never, I mean, one time I was, I was filming with Callie P. Do you know this, brethren, Callie P? Sort of in Europe. Yeah. Yeah, Callie P. Exactly. So I was filming with Callie P. And we were in some little studio in Kingston, you know, one of 10,000 studios in Kingston, Jamaica.

10:23BubblemanAnd he's spitting. And then, you know, another guy standing there is like, Oh, hey, could I do could I spit something and then this other guy spits and he was amazing. And then there's another guy sitting in the shadows in the corner of this, you know, kind of outside inside studio, just this guy was like invisible. And then he was like, Hey man, can I spit something?

10:44BubblemanAnd then he popped up and just, it was like more talent, more talent, more talent. The level of talent that you guys have in Jamaica, and I'm certain it's connected to the suffering and it's connected to the perspective of love and abundance instead of fear and scarcity. It's... Dude, I can't say enough about it, man. I love you guys.

11:07SpeakerCircumstances make us who we are, you know, and the reality is that, you know, Jamaica is like an open portal for creativity. It's like everybody in Jamaica is an artist. It's so true.

11:23BubblemanLook at it that way. It's so true. It's the first country I ever went to when I was standing at the bus stop. I went in 1995 and I was standing on the bus stop waiting to get on the bus, which was an amazing experience in its own. I remember the guy next to me had a little piece of wood in his hand and I was like, I was like, I wonder what he's going to do with that.

11:41BubblemanLike, why is he just carrying a little piece of wood around with him? But he was put he put it between two seats and made himself a seat. on this bus that we you know we put like 30 people on this little bus that fits like 11. but before we got on the bus you would think that we were at a sizzler concert this guy had his his boom box going and sizzler was pounding and he's singing every lyric and he's dancing almost violently like and my wife was like what is going on and i i was like i think we're in jamaica I think we're in Jamaica, sweetie.

12:17BubblemanThat's what's up. I just love the energy. In North America, sometimes we don't even want to look at each other in the eye when we walk by each other. We don't want to express our love and our joy. We're sometimes easier to express dismay and pain and anguish. But in Jamaica, once again, this place where clearly You know, people have less more than more.

12:46SpeakerLike Peter said, some live in big, but most live in small. Is that what Peter said? Yes, sir. Virgin Costa living is crazy here in Jamaica, but we somehow as a people don't seem to make it but us. I don't know how we do it. When the rest of the world will rebel if the prices of gas gone up by one cent. Jamaica, we say, yeah, man, we're, you know, but we'll make one nice, but trust me.

13:18BubblemanTrust me. You chopping up wood, weed right now? Right, Norwegian, I can't have my weed catch and go on the herb.

13:25SpeakerI wish I had some real good herbs, yo.

13:28BubblemanOh, dude, we should have gotten some.

13:30SpeakerThere's a shortage here in Jamaica. No.

13:33BubblemanThere's a shortage.

13:35SpeakerThat is crazy, bro.

13:38BubblemanThat is zero sense.

13:40SpeakerGood urban is like Jamaica in the past 10 years now has been into into Cush, like, you know, indoor herbs and, oh, you know. Yeah, of course. Like, where is it now? More than ever.

13:55BubblemanYeah. Well, guys like Charlie or Archie, guys like Archie making it work.

13:59SpeakerArchie, yeah, man, Archie.

14:02BubblemanFor those of you that don't know Archie, Archie is one of the best indoor growers in Jamaica. He's, he's, he's the man.

14:10SpeakerHe's the first person to give me a point of weed to sell, bro.

14:14BubblemanHell yeah, dude. He's such a good person, man. Listen, when I met Archie years, listen, I don't know why I meet everyone, but I always meet everyone. And I met Archie. And then maybe a year later, I met Jacques Cure. And Cure was like, oh, you got to meet my brethren. Nobody knows him. I keep him hidden. And he brings this guy to the table. And I'm like, that's Archie, man.

14:35BubblemanWe know him for five years.

14:36SpeakerAnd he was like, how do you know this guy, dude? When everybody else was dealing with, I think that Archie was actually learning about this right now, Kushan. He was ahead of the game.

14:51BubblemanWay ahead of the game. Listen, he was the first person I ever went into a grow in Jamaica, inside the house, where he was just growing weed inside his house. And it was like beautiful, like OG Kush. Like he had beautiful plants growing inside. And it was, it might've been the weirdest thing I've ever seen in Jamaica, to be honest. It just seemed so like strange and off the charts.

15:16BubblemanAnd I just remember his little daughter walking around and this, you know, these bright lights. I was like, wow, man, this guy is like ahead of his time. Very cool.

15:27SpeakerBecause I check him a couple months ago. I was with him. When I linked you a couple months ago and tell you that I wanted to start doing, getting, you know, being educated about the herb and I went to Archie.

15:42BubblemanOf course you did.

15:43SpeakerI'd love to get link ups with Archie again. I lost his number.

15:46BubblemanGive him mine. Yeah, or just give him mine. I think he likes that better. Give him mine so he can reach out to me. But this is important too. So Kazam, one of the reasons I brought Kazam on here today was that he's looking to do some interns, some mentorships. He's looking to learn more about Caliweed and plugging in and gaining more access. And I thought, well, you know what?

16:05BubblemanThis is a great panel of people.

16:07SpeakerSanta Cruz, come by. Yeah, dudes. Yeah, we'll build a bridge.

16:11BubblemanI'm going to link you guys up. I'm going to link you guys up. So you all, Chris and Kazam and Dan and DJ and Caleb, I want you guys to have access to Kazam. He's really, really good people and anything we can do to, you know, help facilitate his inspiration. Yeah, dude, there you go. There you go. Welcome. Welcome, DJ Hard. How you doing, my brothers?

16:37Dj HardHow y'all doing, man? Coming to you live from Houston, Texas. Oh, shit. Representing from Houston. That's what's up. I'm getting my roles up all right now. I'm glad to be here in the hands of you.

16:52BubblemanThey know how to puff in Houston, let me tell you.

16:55Christopher CarrIt's the largest city in America that's still under the prohibition, you know?

17:00BubblemanYeah, well, listen to this. I'll tell you something about Texas. For years, people would hit me up and they'd be like, oh man, like there's no good hash. Like I'm in Texas. And I'd be like, listen, There's so much good hash in Texas. The problem is these motherfuckers protect that shit. They're not exposing themselves like maniacs from California. They're still living under the thumb of the man.

17:23BubblemanSo you can't be like bragging and showing pounds of hash and big, you gotta be low key, you know, even though you gotta be a little low key. So I will say this about Texas. They are probably tied with New York State for the state that I sent the most bubble bags to. So obviously California is number one for hash bags, but the second most bags that I ever sent anywhere is like a tie between Texas and New York.

17:54BubblemanAnd so Texas is certainly representing, it's just... Yeah, they don't fuck around in Texas. I remember when it was really bad years ago. It was like Alabama. It was like 10-year mandatory minimums if you got caught with anything in Texas. It was just like, whabam, 10 years in prison. Holy shit, 10 years. Like, what a fucking crime to put habitual florists. Go ahead, DJ.

18:20Dj HardWell, check it out. Well, this is what you got to understand. In the state of Texas, it's been like this for years because I got caught with some weed before.

18:37Dj HardThey're just personal use. So they might initially charge you with possession of marijuana with the intent to distribute, which is a felony. But if it's under 50 pounds, They'll take the intent off and it's just simple possession, which is a misdemeanor.

18:55BubblemanDamn, that's amazing. That's like the best news I've heard in a long time, no doubt. Listen, in Canada, when I got arrested with 16 pounds, this was in 1998, my maximum sentence

19:10BubblemanThank you for joining us.

19:40BubblemanListen, if you think I'm white now, you should have seen how fucking white I was when he told me that. I am talking every drop of color fell from my... I was just like 25 years, but I thought we were in Canada. So it took him about a week to talk me off the ledge. He was like, listen, in the meantime, Mark Emery's facing the death penalty in America.

20:03BubblemanAnd he's just like, this is how worried Mark was. He's like, I'll go down there. I'll sort this out. I'll figure it out. I'll just go down and face the music. And I was just like, dude, listen, I would run for the rest of my life before I went down to America and let them put me in prison for like my entire life. So props to Texas for changing that.

20:23BubblemanThat's amazing. Up to 50 pounds can be ruled simple possession.

20:29Dj HardYeah, personal use. It's been like that for quite a while.

20:34BubblemanWow, that is really crazy.

20:37SpeakerIt's crazy. Go ahead, Kazem, sorry. Jamaica, it's two owns. You can't travel with just two owns. No, no, 50 pounds? I wish. I wish, but like what I have now, I have a Sacramento license that allows me to grow ganja for five years, distribute it, Whatever I want to do. Yeah, but I'm affiliated with a bridging called Raga. And, you know, so whatever I do, I, you know, we communicate in a sense.

21:17BubblemanOK, OK, that's good. And so when you talk about the sacramental use of cannabis, like maybe we'll get into this conversation a little bit here. You know how important and I mean, I know the answer, but I kind of like to have your words. How important is the musical component of the sacramental use of cannabis? Because it seems like no group of people has more You know, music than Jamaica to sort of represent and sing about the absolute love of cannabis.

21:53BubblemanIt seems like it goes even deeper than a love of cannabis. It's a true spiritual connection.

21:59SpeakerYeah, it is. It is, Bertrand. It's a deep-rooted thing within. You know, it's like... Jamaicans not having herb is like not having life, Virgin. And with music, it just goes hand in hand, herb, food, and music. Same as a Virgin, it's way spiritual, it's way... I mean, you know, bro. You see what I mean? You know. Come in here in Jamaica and see, you have said it.

22:36SpeakerYou know, and every household, every, every year, 95% of Jamaica smoke.

22:44BubblemanYeah, true.

22:45SpeakerYou know, that's so true. That's a fact. Whether you're uptown, you're downtown, rich, poor, you know.

22:55BubblemanHey, Monkey, Monkey in the chat room is asking if you were in the Humboldt Jamaica Sativa Unicorn video.

23:03SpeakerI think that's by Dub Club. Well, it might be.

23:07BubblemanI'll have to ask them. You're like, I don't know. I've been in a hundred.

23:11SpeakerI mean, it's a team, but it's family, you know, so yeah.

23:14BubblemanWell, that was the cool thing that you guys always did. When I linked up with you guys and that whole Chronix and Kabaka and Protege and Dexter Malawi and Kazam and all of these people, what I really thought was cool was every time you guys filmed a video, You'd put it out into Kingston and be like, we're going to film a video. We're going to be here doing the new protege video.

23:37BubblemanAnd everyone, you remember those old days where Kabaka and Pronix and everyone's in the protege video? I thought that was pretty cool, man. Hold it together. Someone's asking, what's the dude's name with the blue hole in Jamaica? Well, that would be my good friend Waba. Waba. That's who you're thinking. You know Waba, Kazam? Portland? Yeah, in Westmoreland. Westmoreland. No, no, no. Yeah, Portland. I think that's Brother Esau who has that one.

24:11BubblemanOh, the Blue Hole. But you got to know, we got to link you up with Waba because Waba has the fire herb and he's very linked and connected. And I'm definitely going to link you up with Waba. He is good people. And you want to go see the Blue Hole. Take your family and go hang out at this Blue Hole. It's so good, man. This is in Westmoreland?

24:31BubblemanYeah, it's in Westmoreland, man. It's close to Orange Hill.

24:34SpeakerI didn't know about that.

24:36BubblemanI know, I'm telling you, dude. It's crazy. Wab has been in my videos. He's linked up with, geez, with most people. I'm hoping, Kiddus is at a birthday party today in Kingston, I believe. He's with Chinna. And I'm hoping they might come in just for a short period of time. For those of you that don't know Kiddus, I and Chinna, Earl Chinna Smith, these guys are legendary.

25:01BubblemanChinna is probably on like... Like 500 to a thousand albums with his guitar. He's literally from another planet, this guy. And then Kiddus is just Kiddus. I couldn't say enough good about Kiddus. He's just one of my favorite people to hang out with in Jamaica. And shout out to Jeff Ifree for linking me up with Kiddus so many years ago. And I'd love to hear from some of the other folks in the room, man.

25:25BubblemanMaybe an introduction from Christopher Carr. Oh, and Stunkman Sam has something to say real quick.

25:30SpeakerWell, I just wanted to say that Everybody knows Wabba.

25:35BubblemanYeah, everybody knows Wabba. Christopher?

25:40SpeakerYeah, yeah, give thanks. I was just thinking to what Kazam was saying about like, urban music is like mother's milk for the soul and feeding your soul good nutrients, you know, good herb, good music, and being muse worthy. I think that's something that's been connected throughout here in Santa Cruz. I play with a roots group called Ancestree, tree, tree, tree growing roots here in Rasta Cruz. And Yeah, I play bass.

26:06SpeakerAnd so getting in the pocket and playing with the rhythm section and get into the drums and the bass, that's something that's really important to me and locking in the drummer and the heartbeat. I think ganja is one of the ways I can build that connection, even if it's jamming with just new players, new rhythms. It's like a place you can go with herb and you could truly transport your consciousness.

26:31SpeakerAnd that's something I feel like we need to not only feed our bodies, Like I love what you said, food, herb, and music. That for me is like mind, body, spirit. And yeah, music and herb, that's kind of that spirit piece. But herb is also body and mind. And to continue to create and be an instrument of creation, I think it takes really good herb and music.

26:55SpeakerAnd so we definitely feel that connection here in Santa Cruz. We've been Performing on the West Coast since 2010. We started on Bob Marley's birthday in 2010 and eight studio albums. And we love to facilitate our brethren and sistren from Jamaica. We had Yardcore come through during the pandemic through a big, big, big party. And every harvest, it's, you know, we just give thanks to have another year with the with the seasons.

27:25SpeakerWith the seeds and the flowers here, home of the haze here in Santa Cruz and Skunk. Awesome to see Skunk Man Sam on the call. But yeah, I'm just honored to not only perform and create music, but to be tied to the community of music and working with Mozali and different nightclubs here in the... In Santa Cruz, it's a big honor to continue to facilitate. And same with ganja.

27:49SpeakerI think it's the inner interwoven piece to the ongoing evolution of the human community is urban music. Yeah. Scene.

28:03Dj HardI come at it from a different aspect. You know, I'm a DJ. So, so when I smoke weed, it just puts me in a different realm. My song selection just becomes so much greater. It's like, it's like it enhances the mood for me. And a lot of the party goes, a lot of the times I won't even take the gig if I can't smoke in it, you know, but I went, however, weed is, You know, when you, when you, when you, when you smoke good weed, you know, good weed, it takes the edge off.

28:42Dj HardIt puts you in a euphoric state. And I could just go on playing music for hours and hours and hours.

28:50SpeakerYes, sir. That is so true. That's so true, bro. That is so true, my virgin. Especially the definition of good herbs. You know?

29:02Dj HardIf it's bunk, then my city's wet. I can't do it.

29:08SpeakerOh my God. That is why I really had to reach out to Boba Man because I know he really had some knowledge. And over the years, I've been thinking about doing this, getting myself involved in herb and cannabis. But musically, I was thinking and trying a different path musically. But I always in my back of my mind say, oh, I wanted to deal with, I want to deal with herbs.

29:36SpeakerI want to find way how to, you know, get it out there and plant it and everything that I can learn and get it done, you know, so we can meet myself and have others and do what we're doing. There's a lot to learn about it. I'll tell you that much. I have a question for you. What was the first Wild leaf herb that you saw in Jamaica.

30:02SpeakerIn other words, a Hindu Kush or Afghan or skunk or whatever. Oh, definitely skunk. Yeah. Oh, I gave skunk seeds to Ajaman's crew pretty early. Whoa.

30:20BubblemanIjaman. Remember Ijaman?

30:22SpeakerDamn.

30:25BubblemanListen, when I met Skunk Man Sam Kazam, who bred the skunk number one, who you're talking to right now, he had the most insane reggae collection. Actually, we rented a house and went to Jamaica and spent some time there and, you know, enjoyed all the concerts, went and saw like tons of great concerts, made great hash, just had these wonderful experiences. But yeah, people at first, You know, of all the people in Jamaica, like Skunk Man Sam, like what cultivar, what strain have you heard people say the name of more in Jamaica than skunk?

31:00BubblemanIt's like...

31:02SpeakerIt's crazy. Maybe Hayes, because when I used to give skunk to the Adjaman crew, I did it a couple years in a row, they used to tell me that they called it...

31:17SpeakerChina's weed because it was sort of yellow and short. Most wanted or something like that.

31:29BubblemanMost wanted, exactly.

31:31SpeakerI grew up on skunk, skunk, skunk. I see my father's rolling, like literally having weed in him room and man a wrap up bag and bridging. I've been there. I've seen all of it. So, you know, and as Cockman is saying now, really and truly, what I see people asking for now is runts.

32:01BubblemanRunts, yeah. Runts has quite a strong flavor profile. Everybody's asking for runts. It is a hash producer. The last runts I ran...

32:15BubblemanI got a 30% return dry. You hear that, Dr. Mark? 30% without the use of solvents. Even when I get that yield, I feel like I'm lying to myself.

32:28SpeakerIs that dry chip?

32:30BubblemanIt was, no, this was Waterhash. Kevin from Royal Harvest came over to my house. He brought this red velvet runts was the cultivar. And he brought a bunch of ones. And I would have never picked this one to be the one that gave, I ran a hundred grams of his flower. And in fact, I actually got a little over 30%. But when we weighed it, and I always said there was a little bit that we smoked that we didn't weigh, but we weighed it and had 30 full grams.

33:00BubblemanThat was after it was dried. After the hash was dried, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

33:05SpeakerI always like to make sure that my... That is truly amazing. Whereas with dry shift, with skunk number one, I got 2% if I wanted to clean it up to 99.9%. That's low.

33:23Etienne FontanThat's really low.

33:25SpeakerIt's really low, but it's worth it, especially if you've got, you know, unlimited supply of herb and you want hash.

33:35BubblemanYeah, exactly. Caleb, I want to sort of bring it over to you. I know that we just sort of kind of got into a long conversation. I hadn't seen Kazam in a while, but we caught up a little bit. And if there's any sort of direction you had or some questions you had, maybe for some of the panelists, or maybe we want to do more introductions, whatever you guys want.

33:54BubblemanI'm super chill. I'm loving the vibes.

33:56Christopher CarrYeah, I think introductions would be good. We haven't heard from Dan from Rebel Grown yet. I saw people shouting out the double OG chem in the chat and also haven't heard from Dr. Mark yet. I think it'd be cool if everyone kind of introduced like when they came to form a relationship with the plant and, you know, maybe what music they may have been listening to, what genre of music at that time.

34:19Christopher CarrI think we have a pretty wide range. A variety here of people really dedicated to different genres, and we can find some commonality with the weed here. So yeah, Dan, could you give a little intro?

34:34SpeakerYeah, just wanted to say I appreciate the invite. So my first time getting to participate on Hash Church. And yeah, I mean, I've been very passionate about music since I was really young. Thank you, I'm so excited to come. I started getting into music when I was probably five or six years old. Michael Jackson was the first big influence in my life. So when I was a kid, I used to dress up as Michael Jackson and dance around and shit.

34:58SpeakerBut what I think about the connection between cannabis and music is that I really look at cannabis as an amplifier. It amplifies everything that's happening internally, emotionally, spiritually. And so with music, which is already so important to us, you know, when you're using good cannabis, it just amplifies that experience. It makes it such a profound connection. And so when I was a kid, I wanted to be like a rock star.

35:23SpeakerAnd then when I was eight years old, I heard Easy Eat. And so like my big musical influences when I was a kid was Michael Jackson, Axl Rose, and Eazy-E. And then I discovered reggae music and Bob Marley. And especially, you know, my early, you know, before I was a teenager, teenage, you know, mid-20s, you know, Jamaican culture was really inspiring to me. So yeah, I've had a long history of music and cannabis since I was like 12, 13 years old.

35:53SpeakerAnd that's really what I've committed a lot of my life to. I don't have a lot of other things in my life, normal things like, you know, vacations or other things, but, you know, I don't go around saying that I'm good at a lot of things, but the two things that I think that I can contribute is cannabis and music. I do hip hop. I write and I rap.

36:15SpeakerI've been doing that 29 years. Just put out some new music. So first debut was put out in August. It's on Bandcamp if anybody wants to check out my music. There's like a five song EP, but I've got over 25 years worth of recordings. And so I'm actually in my studio right here. The studio in 2015, 2014, when I was in Humboldt still. And this was rented out.

36:40SpeakerThe space here was rented out to record labels, different independent labels. This is on a 200-acre off-grid property in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. And so it was meant to be an artist retreat where people from Brooklyn and the city Thank you for joining us.

37:21SpeakerWhen he died and his studio was broken down. So apparently that's what I heard. But anyway, yeah. So I appreciate being, you know, invited to join the conversation. I love to smoke good herb. I've been searching for the best herb I can find my whole life and have been making seeds and breeding the last 15 years and have some cool stuff and some great accolades like to smoke good, strong herb.

37:44SpeakerMy brand used to be called Ganja Rebel because ganja to me was such a powerful word. I just felt like the attachment and connection between everything that ganja and the herb represented was really important. I took the ganja out, you know, when weed was becoming legal and just made it rebel grown. So like this is how you know us. If you see this leaf, you know it's rebel grown.

38:06BubblemanNice, dude. I liked everything that you said. I was like, dude, this guy's like my friend and I haven't met him yet.

38:11SpeakerWe haven't met, no, but I'm sure we have several, you know, acquaintances, mutual acquaintances and happy to be in the conversation with you guys and looking forward to smoking some herb and having a nice relaxing Sunday. Very cool, man. Very cool. Welcome. Very cool.

38:28BubblemanDr. Mark. What about you, Mr. Mark Sheldon? Hey, what's up? I know how important music is in your life. Yeah, well, it's...

38:44SpeakerI've said this before on Hash Church, I think, you know, music is my religion. And, you know, I was a kid who grew up following the Grateful Dead around. And, you know, when I first started smoking weed, yeah, it was, you know, I knew some... Some of my friends who had older siblings and they knew, you know, the so-called weed dealers. And it was mostly like, yeah, brown Mexican weed.

39:15SpeakerOr we rarely had really, you know, rarely we had sensimilia. But, you know, at the Dead Show, I would smell a different kind of weed being smoked. And it was all that dank bud from Northern California that came out of our Grateful Dead tour. That I think spread kind bud across the country. You know, I really do think that the Grateful Dead was just this traveling circus that we went to in the late 70s and 80s.

39:46SpeakerIt was so fucking cool, man. I was like, I graduated high school in 1981 and I lived in suburban New York City in northern New Jersey. And it was just so easy to go and see the Grateful Dead. They would play in New York City. They'd play in like Syracuse and New Haven, Connecticut and Binghamton, New York and down in Philly at the Spectrum. So it was just so easy to make a two hour ride.

40:16SpeakerAnd this is before cell phones and before, you know, so many things that, you know, we take for granted now. But yeah, we would. Really just not even have tickets and just show up at the shows and somehow scramble, get tickets at the last minute and go see the shows. And, you know, for those of us who were alive to see Jerry Garcia perform, it was just a real amazing, almost religious experience because every person... Because you were on acid.

40:49SpeakerNo, I don't think so. A lot of people who were there who were straight and there were a lot of people there who were just smoking weed and not doing psychedelics, but there's just, yeah, an incredible appetite.

41:00BubblemanBut the psychedelic aspect of it was unbelievable. Would you not say that that was like,

41:05SpeakerYeah, but like, I don't think I've seen it since. I mean, the way Trey describes it is like, he remembers when he first saw Bruce Springsteen in 1978 at the Spectrum in Philly. And every person in that concert was locked on to that one guy on stage. And that's the same way it was with The Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia. He had everyone's attention in that room.

41:31SpeakerAnd I think The Grateful Dead changed the way live music is played. And yeah, I think cannabis and psychedelics Thank you for joining us.

42:01SpeakerHe was the dropout chemist who basically turned on a whole generation on LSD. I think they're still doing some of the stash from Owsley's lab. I mean, to make a long story short, Marcus, I don't think we... I mean, like, like, when I think about it, like, even like hash, even like good, high quality nugget. I mean, when you are living in suburban New York, you can go more easily buy an eight ball of Coke by some dealer just on the street, you know, in Manhattan and come back to your party in suburban New Jersey and I don't think there's any question about it.

43:08SpeakerThere would not be the appetite for diesel. I mean, Chemdog has a Grateful Dead genesis, right? So P-Bud and G first met at a Grateful Dead show in 1991 in Deer Creek. They exchanged numbers. They exchanged weed. Next thing you know, you know, Greg out in Massachusetts pops these beans that end up becoming Chemdog. So, I mean, that's that's a Grateful Dead thing. I mean, they connected at a Grateful Dead show.

43:38SpeakerSo, yeah, I mean, I so so that's my story. I mean, I think, yeah, there's probably a lot of people with the same story, but you'd be able to go to a dead show, Marcus, and hook up with acid and hook up with good weed and then bring that back to your town. And they'll be like, holy shit, where did you get all these good drugs? And it's like, oh, at the parking lot at the Grateful Dead show, you can get anything right there.

44:04SpeakerShakedown Street, right? So yeah, it was responsible for some of the best cannabis connections, you know, some of the best genetic lines were as a result of people having good times at Shakedown Street for the whole country. It is that's a really positive connection with weed and music is how music brings people together. And same with ganja, right? Like you always have that circle, the international herb.

44:31SpeakerYeah, I mean, for me, it was just like, I couldn't believe, first of all, that this incredible weed existed. And it seemed as though, again, there was like this cultural aspect tied to, well, it's cultivated in Humboldt or in Mendocino. You got to be out there. And so I had a lot of friends who grew up in the East Coast in the Midwest. Who migrated to Oregon and Northern California because they wanted to grow the weed that they smoked on Great Dead Tour.

45:02SpeakerAnd I have a backseat story from Summer Tour in 1991. I hooked up with my friend Ron the Pizza Man from Shasta. And he hooked me up with a bag of Big Sur Holy Nug. And it was just these incredible buds, man. They were so, so dense. And out of that came two seeds, which we popped like two years later at a grow that I first started growing weed in the summer of 1992, Marcus, right after Fish Tour.

45:31SpeakerWe were growing some weed in Fort Collins. And yeah, we popped those seeds and And yeah, it was, you know, Grateful Dead tour was just a cultural phenomenon. We knew each other. It was through the music, but it was through our appreciation of psychedelic experiences and good weed and good food. So all those elements that you guys were just talking about, you know, the food, the music, the weed, it was just intersected in this lifestyle that, you know, basically lived to the soundtrack of the Grateful Dead.

46:05SpeakerI don't know how else to describe it. Hey, what's up, Dr. Mark? By the way, do you remember me? Do you remember meeting me? Yes, Dan, Dan. So we're kind of like at a Vermont connection. So, well, you could, are you back in Vermont or, you know, you were in Vermont, but you're out? Are you in or you're out? I go back and forth quite a bit, but I'm here now.

46:26SpeakerAnd then I'll be headed back to California in February, but come get some herb. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So Dan's a producer here in our little economy of Vermont here. So how's it going, Dan? I know it's stressed a lot of other people out of the business. What's that? Just the Vermont market. How's it going here? I think it's getting it's getting better, man. You know, we're you know, I only want to be judged by the quality of my herb and the character of my my person, you know.

46:56SpeakerAnd so I think it's going good. We have really good, exciting herb to share. And yeah. Awesome. Well, good to reconnect with you. Definitely.

47:09BubblemanAnd good to share great weed.

47:13Dj HardDefinitely, definitely.

47:16Christopher CarrI want to dive in there on like, so Dr. Mark, you were talking about how the Grateful Dead, Shakedown Street kind of spread the knowledge of kind bud around the country. And like, fast forward to like my first time smoking in 2010. And, you know, in Virginia, kind bud was like the top tier, but so what was very common was we'd be receiving the BC bud, you know, the kind that was already sifted, had no trikes on it, and then people would sell it as kind bud.

47:48Christopher CarrAnd the beasters, exactly. Beasters were being sold as kind bud, even though they clearly weren't, but no one really knew the difference. And there's been a lot of, I guess, um, You know, name switches that could happen. And I guess different tiers of weed that kind of the information about the different tiers of weed gets out through music. So Kind Bud is a great example. Perhaps some of the more perhaps people would like to talk about, like, how did the reputation of Indo All of these things become like as a higher tier item because over time, right, there was a point in time when everyone was smoking outdoor and then there becomes a point in time when now, I guess, depending on which camp you're in, indoor might be considered the higher tier versus outdoor.

48:36Christopher CarrLove to get people's thoughts on that and how music may or may not have influenced that.

48:41Dj HardOkay, I'll start. You know, my first time smoking weed, It was like in 1994. I think I was about 15 years old. And Snoop Doggy Dog and Dr. Dre came out with the chronic. Nothing but a G thing. And I'm telling you, everybody wanted to sip gin and juice and smoke a blunt. And then they came out with a song called Rolling Down.

49:20BubblemanI listened to it yesterday.

49:22Dj HardHey, I'm telling you, music influences culture. And that definitely influenced our culture down here in Houston. Because, you know, it seemed like everybody wanted to know somebody from Texas so they could get cheap weed or something like that, or other drugs, you know. But for us, you know, I think like...

49:48Dj HardActual draw, the actual Kelly Cush. Yeah, I think it hit Houston last. I think it hit us about 2004, 2005. However, we had this stuff called Red Hair Sesame and Acapulco Gold. And to get that down here in Houston was like, like something like, like it was a very rare thing. A very rare set of buds that you could get. And we would get, and if you were able to get a hold of that and jam Snoop Doggy Dog, Doggy Style, or Dr. Dre's The Chronic, you know.

50:32Dj HardYeah, a little bit of that too. But it was the Snoop Doggy Dog, man. It was him. He did it. He transcended that one for us. That's true.

50:48BubblemanYeah, it's velour. Even as you started to hum the song, I could hear the lyrics so perfectly. I was turning on my 10-year-old son yesterday to that very song, in fact, because he had never heard it before. But I did want to mention to Caleb, before he went into his kind bud speech, he mentioned the BC bud that they were getting from BC. And then he actually mentioned a part of the history that a lot of people miss.

51:16BubblemanThey just blame the shoddy BC growers, the low integrity BC growers. But he did mention that it sifted, that that flower was sifted. Those buyers who were buying it, who were the American folks, were bouncing the flower, like hundreds of pounds of it and just collecting the sift and then selling the weed. Into like prohibition rich states, you know, like Virginia and North Carolina and Florida and Alabama, different places.

51:50SpeakerYeah, so I came up on Canadian herb. You know, I'm about 30 miles from the border right here where I sit. And, you know, we used to get small batch stuff. I grew up in the Boston area. We got imported brickweed, you know, until we started getting small batch kind bud. But when Canadian herb started coming in, Yeah, I mean, those were, that was all organized crime running that shit.

52:13SpeakerAnd I think, I think we can talk about it now. It's, it's, it's been a long time. But when it first started coming, because it was so dense and compact, we thought it was the kind, but, you know, and in the beginning, the quality I think was okay. But over time as it was more and more mass produced, it was obvious that it was, you know, harvested earlier, you know, not dried, right?

52:31SpeakerProbably, you know, had been tossed or keefed or something. All of the above. Yeah. All of the above. I don't think I've ever honestly experienced the quality stuff that you guys have up there. I write for some weed magazines and I write a column called the Breeder Diaries for Skunk. And I did this interview with Breeder Steve a couple years ago. Incredible story that he told. But, you know, he gave me a lot of the background and history of the evolution of all the Canadian genetics.

53:00SpeakerSo I don't think us Americans have had a fair share of your stuff unless you're buying seeds in the mid to late 90s.

53:06BubblemanYeah, for sure. Well, I met Steve right when I moved here from Manitoba in like 96. I would have met Steve. And let me tell you, in 96, Steve was all in, like both feet in, just like going 100 miles an hour. It was wild. To be around, actually.

53:25SpeakerI did his whole life story in the article. I spent like 100 hours on that article from like a three, four hour interview with him. So I was blown away by how cool his story was. There's a lot more cool stuff in there.

53:38BubblemanDid he talk about sending like three or four doctors to the ER room on the day of his wedding from weed brownies?

53:47SpeakerHe did not talk about that, but I got the whole background story from the very beginning of his first plants and, you know, his experience with Northern Lights to how he ended up in BC and Vancouver to how the sweet pink grapefruit was named to how he got connected with Mark Emery and how all that went down to, you know, everything in Switzerland. So I went pretty deep.

54:11BubblemanNice. Yeah, I spent a lot of time in Switzerland with him as well in Lugano.

54:16SpeakerSo did I.

54:18BubblemanYeah, you were definitely around there. I went and spent like a month with him just when he first moved there. Did you stay at the tennis resort, Sam, at the Cadro Panoramica?

54:30SpeakerNo, I stayed at, I think it was Hotel Splendid on Lake Lugano.

54:37BubblemanOoh, fancy.

54:39SpeakerYeah, no, it was the best hotel around, and I was with my wife, so...

54:47BubblemanI bet you she would have liked the Hotel Cadro Panoramica more.

54:52SpeakerHe told me the whole story how he had originally had this other farm and had made the arrangements to move there, sold his vehicle, his hydro shop, and right before he headed out to the airport was told the place fell apart. And then at the last minute, they ended up finding a much better place with a more Mediterranean climate towards Italy, and it ended up being a way better grow climate.

55:15SpeakerSo it's a cool story to hear about. Very cool. Lake Lugano has excellent weather.

55:25Christopher CarrYeah.

55:31Christopher CarrAnother thing that Dr. Mark mentioned was, I guess, The people listening to the music that weren't living in California, Oregon at the time, you know, might be inspired to then move out. And, you know, I personally, I guess, feel like around 2013, when I moved to California, you know, I was following a similar exodus, but, you know, not because of Grateful Dead music, but because of hip hop.

55:57Christopher CarrAnd, you know, it came up a little bit earlier when the Heart Hidden Kazam were talking, but You know, I think in certain parts of the country, right, like they said it there, Wu Tang's influence wasn't as hard as, for instance, Snoop Dogg or Dr. Dre or Cypress Hill. And really, depending on where you are in the country, you know, for whatever reasons there's going to be, Different music artists that are more popular.

56:23Christopher CarrAnd, you know, that could have an influence on what particular artist is smoking what particular cultivar and what are they bringing into town? What does their crew bring into town come concert time or come something else? And I guess, does anyone have any stories about specific cultivars associated with specific artists in that way?

56:43Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, in New York, I mean, you're talking about Wu-Tang. I mean, Wu-Tang, And that whole breadth of culture from Tribe really spawned The Bedroom Producer. And being in New York for me, artists like Travis Stewart, Machine Drum, and Flying Lotus, and all these people that I was connected to, we were all just making beats trying to figure out how to blend ourselves back into this culture we were so inspired by.

57:11Collin PalmerAnd I think through that, Strains like sour diesel came up a lot, especially in New York. There's definitely a lot of chems, a lot of super skunks at the time. A lot of just really gassy phenos. C99 was really around a lot in the early, early days because a lot of influence from Boston. There's a lot of great growers that were circling that whole New England area.

57:39Collin PalmerThen, you know, New York was the spot to drop it. You know, Dan knows that well. And I think that... What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. Good to see everyone, by the way. I've been absent. We'll get into that later. But I think the music scene for me, it even spawned into the jazz, downtown jazz scene in New York for me because I was around people like Modesty Martin Wood and John Zorn.

58:02Collin PalmerAnd I was always selling these people herb, to be honest with everyone. And I, you know, it was very much... A collective of individuals that were all Looking for something for an inspiring session that they were trying to go into. Most of these people I knew weren't daily or even hourly users. They were looking for something that would inspire them to further their creative outlets. And it wasn't the main event.

58:34Collin PalmerIt was a part of the room, much like a new guitar or a new synthesizer rolls in and it's like got this expression and you're now writing a new song as a result. And I think that's what I saw from a young age and being around these sessions and studios of other artists. And I think if Jay from Happy Monkey was here, he could tell a great story too about His studio and how that became a speakeasy and through that and the Wu-Tang and all these people were coming through his studio spawned a birth of a new revelation in New York.

59:09Collin PalmerAnd I think that's, for me, those are the varietals that spoke the loudest and was on the tip of everyone's tongue. It was always a gas. And then you either had a jack Thank you for joining us.

59:39Collin PalmerYou know, didn't have the greatest herbs, so they sold what they had, right? And I think that's the blend that I was associated with as a young kid growing up around it. And my cousins in Staten Island and my extended family in Staten Island, that was what they always had around from New York. So that's my piece on association with that realm in Brooklyn and the five boroughs.

1:00:06SpeakerWell, yo, can I tell a cool Wu-Tang story?

1:00:10Collin PalmerYeah, dude, of course.

1:00:12SpeakerFirst, I'll say the two most influential songs in terms of the herb that you smoked for me when I was a kid was Cypress Hill, because hits from the bong, just like everyone that I knew, we were obsessed with bongs. We were building bongs out of everything. We were trying to get bongs. So big ups to bong hits. And then, you know, the whole album of Kaya and Bob Marley was also the biggest to this.

1:00:36SpeakerThat's the most influential weed smoking music of my life is the whole album of Kaya. I've smoked so much weed to that album. But anyway, cool Wu-Tang story. In Vermont, we got to throw a New Year's party. With one of the dispensaries that we work with that has a music venue. And so we did a show with Capadonna and Inspect the Deck, who are arguably my two favorite Wu-Tang artists.

1:01:00SpeakerIt's a hard thing. So anyway, we sponsored the show. Go ahead. Shout them out. Hey, Noah. Noah. Right? Yeah, this place. So, yeah, we did a little, it was a little cheesy, but it was cool. We did a pre-roll with my double OG cam and put the flyer for the show on the thing and they came and signed autographs. I didn't bother them with autographs, but when I got to meet them, you know, the first time I ever rapped in my life, I was listening to 36 Chambers and people in a room were freestyling.

1:01:26SpeakerSo that's the very first thing that really got me into rapping. And so I meet Inspector Deck and Capadonna and I give them my herb and I show them this weed with the leaf on it. And I go to Inspector Deck and I go, yes, this is my shit, Rebel Grown. And he's like, you know, I'm the rebel, right? Rebel INS. I go, yeah, I know, me too.

1:01:43SpeakerAnd so the whole night, they were just chief and blunts of my herb. And to this day, it was one of the most amazing, you know, rap performances I saw live. And I got to open up for them. So I did a set and opened up for them. It was, it was a cool night. But the cool story is, I have a couple producers in LA. And one of them is this dude, Salaam Rec, who is Warren G's DJ.

1:02:04SpeakerAnd he's real tight with the dog pound. And Several other people. So I send Salam my California weed and I sent him a box of jars. And I told him, you know, if you're around artists like, you know, Daz and Corrupt and Easy E Sun, I would really love it if you could give them my herb and try to get them turned on to it. So he calls me about a month after the Wu-Tang show.

1:02:25SpeakerHe's like, you'll never believe who was in my studio last night. Capadonna and and Kill a Priest. And I was like, yo, did you have the Rebel Herb? He's like, oh, he saw it right away and was like, oh, I was just chilling with White Boy in Vermont. So, you know, Wu-Tang's really inspirational and it's been cool to connect with those guys through Herb and get to share Herb on both coasts with Capadonna.

1:02:47SpeakerAnd my hope is to pursue, you know, finding some natural organic way of getting to collab with them more.

1:02:55BubblemanHell yeah. Shouts to the Wu. Witty, unpredictable. I didn't ever really meet them, but I was in Amsterdam one year at my hotel and it took me years to find this hotel. It was the Krasnopolsky. It was this big fancy Russian hotel in Dam Square in the city center of Amsterdam. And What I had learned, and I can't even remember who told me, but it was like a long time ago, 25 years ago now, was that they had another building attached to their hotel that was like apartments.

1:03:29BubblemanSo they weren't rooms. Because the first time I went to this hotel, it was just like... This too fancy red velvet carpets and stuff and like you're in this tiny little room that just has a little bed and it's like 500 guilders. This was before the euros. But I found these apartments eventually and it was like the sickest deal. They were like 250 bucks a night and it had a kitchen and an upstairs with a bed and it was just on the back end of the I'm not sure if you've heard of the Krasnopolsky, but it was their apartments.

1:03:56BubblemanBut they would never tell you that they had apartments. So I'm standing there. I've been going there for probably three or four years at this point. And I'm at the desk. And this dude is like kind of flipping out. He's like, look, I got all these rooms. They're way too small. My guys can't fit in these rooms. Like, do you have anything bigger? And of course, she couldn't just say, oh, actually, sir, yes, we have these apartments.

1:04:21BubblemanRight? They just don't do that in Holland for whatever reason. And so this guy's losing his mind. And I'm like, listen, dude, like, let me give you a tip. You just need to ask for the apartments. And if you say that, she'll say yes. And she'll probably rent you like four or five apartments. Anyway, it ended up being the Wu Tang clan. This dude was their manager.

1:04:40BubblemanAnd yeah, they were staying. It was a small apartment where it was just like each floor had like two of these apartments. So it was basically me staying in one of them. With like, you know, eight or nine of the Wu-Tang members staying in the other ones. It was pretty cool. Pretty cool experience. Shouts to the Wu.

1:05:04SpeakerI got a quick, yeah, just one cultivar that comes to mind with music is Purple Haze. Like I remember the first time I heard Jimi Hendrix on vinyl sitting down like a toddler and my dad pulled out a vinyl record and he said, son, I want you to hear something and put on it's the first time I heard that riff. It kind of changed something in my head and it kind of reminds me the first time I tried Herb.

1:05:30SpeakerThey call me Smiley from Santa Cruz. And the first time I tried my first puff was actually Purple Haze. So it was prophetic what happened. And, you know, something changed in my brain when I took a puff of Purple Haze and we listened to that song. It was in an orchard in El Dorado County during a snowstorm. I skipped fourth period when I was 14. But that's actually pretty profound because like these are key moments in my life, you know, over over your decades as you grow.

1:05:57SpeakerYou remember key moments. Great moments, great moments in your history. And so that one cultivar, that one song and that beginning riff by Jimi Hendrix is something that I'll never forget. And it is amazing that cannabis connection to music specifically. And it kind of set me on that path of like, I want to, you know, I want to jam. And that specific cultivar and living in Santa Cruz full circle is kind of cool.

1:06:24SpeakerHome of the haze. You know, since I was like a toddler to high school to now being, you know, I got my own toddlers. I'll turn them on to some Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix after the show. What year did you smoke Purple Haze? 2001, 2000.

1:06:43SpeakerIt was early. It was like maybe 25 years ago. Okay, because it was not the Hayes brothers growing that purple Hayes. No, it wasn't that long ago. I wish. I really wish it was. They stopped growing. The two different Hayes brothers were my neighbors. And one of them lived on one side of me. The other one lived on the other side of me. Of course. And they both quit growing the original Hayes, which I thought was the finest weed in the world.

1:07:17SpeakerIncluding Purple Haze. By, I don't know, maybe 1980 or the mid 80s, they had quit growing haze and they both grew skunk because it was so much faster and easier.

1:07:39BubblemanHow crazy is it that Hayes, Skunk Hayes, like you had two Hayes brothers living next door to you on either side of your house and you're Skunk Man Sam.

1:07:50SpeakerIt was South County Santa Cruz, right? Skunk Man Sam? It was South County? Well, that's where I lived in South County when I developed Skunk Number One. But the Hayes was grown in both Santa Cruz, just outside the city limit. And also in Aptos and also in Aromas. And I was growing it in Watsonville. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. When I was growing for Wham! for Val Corral, I was kind of feeling the vibes of, oh, I think this is where things went down, you know.

1:08:30SpeakerYeah, well, Wham! Valerie and Michael are still good friends of mine. It's a pleasure to connect with you. It's beautiful that music and cannabis brings us together, man. You're one of my heroes. I'll give a short story and that was the first, it's kind of music related, the first seed I ever planted was in 1965 in Hollywood at Sunset and Vine in Wallach's Music City's flower box outside I don't know if anybody knows of Wallach's Music City.

1:09:07SpeakerIt used to be, before Tower Records, the coolest place to buy music, at least in California. And yeah, I just grew Mexican seeds. I mean, they weren't nothing super special, but they got a foot or two tall before either the gardener cut them down or One of the people that were hanging out on Sunset Boulevard spotted them and harvested them for the revolution. And then after that, the music I was actually listening to at that time was people like Buffalo Springfield, Jefferson Airplane.

1:09:56SpeakerThat's the music that I liked back then. But when I moved to Santa Cruz in 1972, a few years later, we were able to see Bob Marley played at the Santa Cruz Civic twice. And we went and saw him both times. Second time, we had our daughter with us. She was only... Two or three years old, I mean, she was, but it was fantastic. And the Santa Cruz Civic used to be my favorite place to go see music because it was small, maybe at the most one or 2,000 people fit in it.

1:10:46SpeakerAnd man, I saw so much good music there. You know, a lot of reggae and it's the, The first two times I saw Bob Marley were there also, which was pretty nice. I have a bootleg copy of that 1972 show in the Santa Cruz Civic. There's a local guy here on the west side. It wasn't 72. I think it was 78 in July and 79 for the end of the year.

1:11:23SpeakerAnd when I saw him the second time, he was... He did not have the energy left, and you could tell something was wrong.

1:11:36SpeakerIt's legend, a place of legend. Yeah, the Civic, I saw Willie Nelson there. To this day, it's still going, but I don't know if it was, it's not quite where it used to be in the late 70s. That said, though, there's a lot of good energy in that space, for sure. I love Santa Cruz. It was... The only reason I left was because the state and federal government were flying airplanes and looking for people and I got out of Dodge.

1:12:12SpeakerI understand, yeah. Babylon sucks. 1985, it was getting pretty bad.

1:12:23BubblemanYeah, for sure. Is that the year that they were doing all those, what was it called? The Beaverland Dam patches or artwork was done? Like too damn close. Wasn't that like 84, 85, 86?

1:12:38SpeakerYes, that was. You're talking about, yeah, Beaver brand. Beaver brand, yeah. Yeah. Beaverland brand. He did it like four, five, six years in a row. And the first one was damn good. And the last one was damn close.

1:13:01BubblemanI remember damn close. Sam has the just most epic collection of shit you don't even know exists. That's like will be artifacts in the cannabis world one day. Like they are already like they're just epic. Like at first when you look at it, you're kind of like, oh, what is this? And then as it hits you, you're like, oh, wow. Oh my God, like you just have these like...

1:13:24SpeakerIt's illegal underground cannabis labels for ounces and pounds. And it's the equivalent of orange crate art or vegetable crate art. But it was for illegal cannabis.

1:13:39BubblemanYeah, but you had like the bags for the Lebanese hash and you had the tie stick.

1:13:47SpeakerYes, I've got them all.

1:13:49BubblemanThat's what I'm saying. You have, it's, it's a part of history, you guys, for, for most of us that have only heard stories, to be able to touch the sort of like actual, like, oh, these are the little bags that the hash was wrapped in. This is the tie stick, like, it's just pretty cool.

1:14:08SpeakerAnd the labels, I knew all of the people who made them. And I, I also made labels for my seeds. And so it was the We were all using the same artists. From Pat Ryan in the north down to local artists in Santa Cruz that were actually quite great. I'll shout them out. That's awesome. I can barely remember the names of everybody, but I'll make a list next time.

1:14:46SpeakerYeah.

1:14:48Collin PalmerExactly. It'd be cool to get a, it'd be cool to make a book of some of that stuff.

1:14:55SpeakerYeah. Except for, I really collected it for myself. It would be nice to share them. And I've considered putting them online on the website, but yeah, it's a lot of work and I've got hundreds of them. Yeah, you do. There's a Grateful Dead archive at the Henry Miller or the library at UCSC. And I could see like a Skunk Man, Sam archive, little museum thing, you know, giving some homage to the young slugs going to school.

1:15:29SpeakerI think it's important to document and have a little exhibit. I don't know if you know this, but the Hatch Museum in Amsterdam was actually started by me and Bob Warren. Ben drunkards bought the building and took over the museum. And actually he ended up putting a lot more money in it than I had. And then he built that one in Barcelona, which is amazing.

1:16:00BubblemanIt's insane. It's bonkers actually. That one in Barcelona is bonkers. So beautiful.

1:16:09SpeakerI think we broadcast something from there together.

1:16:12BubblemanWe did. We did for sure. I think it might have been a hash church, actually. But yeah, it's a 16th century building. And instead of restoring it, he, I don't know what the hell.

1:16:26SpeakerWell, he spent a few million dollars and four years restoring it, first of all.

1:16:32BubblemanYeah, no, exactly. But it was like the way he explained it, it was like he dug, he lifted all the dirt off and like exposed what was there. And just, yeah, it was just incredible, incredible building. If you're in Barcelona, it's definitely worth whatever, even if it's 20 or 30 euros, it's well worth walking through it. The collection is ridiculous. I mean, yeah, it's ridiculous. It's worth seeing anyway.

1:17:01BubblemanIn person.

1:17:06SpeakerThat and the Gotti buildings in Barcelona. Both of those. I really like Barcelona.

1:17:16BubblemanThat's a pretty cool city. I like to rent a motorcycle when I'm in Barcelona and boot around on a motorcycle. It's like the quickest way to get around. And it seems like they have more of a motorcycle culture where the cars aren't running them over.

1:17:33SpeakerWell, a lot of people in Barcelona use metros too, underground. For sure.

1:17:39BubblemanYeah, perfect. Do it up. I had some other questions that I had created here.

1:17:52BubblemanOh, we still didn't see, there's a couple of people that never ended up showing up.

1:17:59Christopher CarrYeah, there's a few. Nick said he's going to hop on in 15 or so minutes. Nice.

1:18:07BubblemanYeah, there's no rush. Oh, I sent you the link, my friend, but I will send it again.

1:18:12Collin PalmerApologies for my tardiness. I've had my father passed away December 17th, so I've been kind of dealing with all the posts of that. Sorry to hear about that. Just been in the rest yesterday. So it's been a been a whirlwind. I bet.

1:18:36BubblemanThat's I think I'll be back. I'm back. That might have been the hardest time of my life when my father died.

1:18:45Collin PalmerYeah, I don't want to turn the show into that, but I just want to, you know. Keep it organic. Keep it light.

1:18:51BubblemanThat's what it is. We definitely wanted to, uh, you know, we've been thinking about you anyway, each week that we, that you've been going through all this stuff and haven't been here and we're glad to have you back, dude.

1:19:03Collin PalmerThanks, man. Yeah. It's good to be here.

1:19:06Christopher CarrGood to be with y'all.

1:19:08Collin PalmerI was actually thinking, yeah, I was thinking about, you know, um,

1:19:15Collin PalmerAs you were saying, like, what artists like what varietals? And I've, as the older self coming up through all that, I don't think anyone could really call it out because it took individuals like us to come in the room to be like, yo, this is this, this is that. Try this, try that. Because musicians are largely, their headspace are occupying sonic territories. And Thank you so much for joining us.

1:19:59Collin PalmerAnd I think when you bring that into the room, it lifts up the room. And then and only then can they call those things out. Like Dan gave them the jar. Right. And then they were in the studio and he cracks it open. And that's a to me, that's an artist discovering Something, something, the magic and the mundane in a sense. Like they're just like, it's in a jar and I open it and then there's the magic, right?

1:20:24Collin PalmerYeah, there's a name, but I always find that that comes after. And I think from an artist's point of view, I don't think they're searching as much, at least back then. Maybe today it's more because there's more information and we all know more. But I don't remember someone being like, can you give me this? It was never... I don't remember going in as a delivery being like, only after time was that relationship developed.

1:20:52Collin PalmerAnd then can I see what else you have? But largely it was, what do you think I should have? Very, very similar to today in a lot of respects, but with a different twist to it, you know? So.

1:21:07Christopher CarrWould you characterize that as kind of like a relationship between the artist and a specific grower or, or, you know, breeder? And then like, there's a trust there and then really whatever varietals.

1:21:19Collin PalmerWell, we, yeah, well, we had this kid that was in with all the hip hop guys and he would take our work and bring it in with them. And he'd be like, yo, Raul likes this. This guy likes that. This guy like, you know, and, and we would then arm him with other stuff like that. Um, And he was a part of a management team and, and, you know, there was, it was, you know, he had the authority and there's always someone with an authority within a circle.

1:21:44Collin PalmerAnd I found that largely how I got through to people was utilizing The, not only the assistants, but the managers and then the assistant managers and all these people that got us into the circles. And then, and then you, at least back, this is talking like early 2000s or way back in the early days of this for me. And that's how our, you know, it kind of moved, you know, you weren't just like invited into a room with all these guys, right.

1:22:09Collin PalmerIt took time to develop that relationship, you know, and then the trust was born from that. And then there was this like creature habit, like call the, call the guy. So I think that's a lot, largely a lot of my experience, at least personal experience with it. I don't know what anyone else has had, but, you know, I said sour and then I was like, that was only after I was like, guys, you should try this and try that and try this, you know, and it was more influencing them to try stuff.

1:22:41Collin PalmerAnd they then, you know, it's like music, you listen to it, you're like, I want more of that. Can I listen to more of that? So I think that was, if I'm very honest about it, I think that's really how a lot of this was done. I don't know if anyone could really call things by name because we didn't really, we had like four-way and like, you know, skunk and hydro, you know, it wasn't like it is now.

1:23:04Collin PalmerLike these names came in and really the 2000s for us as, you know, brokers and stuff, you know, it was just, we didn't really have this vernacular like we have today, if I'm really, really honest. I mean, I don't know, Mark, you know, even growing up in the 80s, like what were the terms? Like were people really calling things by varietal names? Like I don't really remember that.

1:23:30SpeakerI remember certain varieties. I remember things like Matanuska Thunderfuck and Monkey Paw and Peabud. And yeah, things just sort of had like a slang in the vernacular, right? I mean, Kind Bud was sort of recognized as being just dense, sensimedia, could be fruity, could be gassy. I don't think it was. It was strange, specific until like the 90s on Fish Tour. The first time I heard the word bubble hash.

1:24:13Speakerwas right around the time Marcus, you started going to shows.

1:24:17BubblemanSo I think bubble hash entered the vernacular during the fish, at least during my know what, you know what, funny enough, all of my fish activity, like almost all of it was pre bubble, bubble would have hit like I started going to see fish in 93. Well, 99 was when I coined the term bubble hash, but that's an interesting thing because you were talking about the Grateful Dead earlier and we've been talking about, you know, Colin's talking about like how you can influence musicians with your herb and then if you can get those cultivars liked by those musicians and then they sing it.

1:24:53BubblemanI mean, listen, I wasn't a huge Ludacris fan, but when I heard that Blueberry Yum Yum song when it first came out, I was just like cranking that thing. I was like, dude, I wanted blueberry. I was like trying to reach out to DJ Short and be like, well, I got to get the blueberry again, like this blueberry. And then, then my friend Kayla started a company here in Canada and has a cultivar called Blueberry Yum Yum.

1:25:16BubblemanAnd I don't know if she's growing it like aquaponically or what it is, but it, it literally looks like the weed from the video. Like it's just fluffy, big, round, coated, crystally lovely buds. And here's the thing. I don't even smoke. Flower. Like, flower is next to useless for me unless I can somehow bounce the resin off of it or if I can, you know, I can vaporize it and get that flavor profile that way.

1:25:39BubblemanBut I kind of went about things a little differently because, you know, of course I hooked up a gazillion musicians over the years that had inspired me that I was going to then re-inspire by saying, hey, listen, if you're somewhere you need... I still to this day have musicians literally like, hey, I'm in Frankfurt, Germany, can you... Can you help me out? I'm just like, oh yeah, I'll introduce you to so-and-so.

1:26:01BubblemanLike there's good people now around the world helping people out with the good herbs. But yeah, starting Bubble Bags was a little different because, you know, the way Colin was like, you had to earn that trust. For me, I sold bags, I was transparent, I taught people how to do the process, and then that was it. I had earned their trust. Like in a very short period of time, at a time where it was very, very illegal, Many, many, many people would invite me right into their home where they were making hash, like, like completely expose themselves in a way that like I had earned a very deep trust and everywhere I went, like every country, every city, wherever I went, I'd always meet someone that was like, wanted to just show me all their shit.

1:26:48BubblemanAnd it was really like wrap your head around it during a time where you could get in a lot of trouble. So I somehow Thank you so much for joining us.

1:27:21BubblemanAnd it created this incredible community where I just suddenly knew everywhere in the world where the best hash was. Like I was the conduit for that. I knew, I know where all the best hash in the world is from all of these incredible people ordering bubble bags over the years and just making hash. So it's... That's been my journey, and it's been an honor to walk these steps and just travel around the world, Johnny Appleseed style, but Johnny, Johnny Hashpipe style, just making hash and showing people how to do it.

1:27:56SpeakerWhen reggae artists would come into Amsterdam, they would, people like Uroy and Ajaman, the first thing they would do when they landed would give me a call. And I'd whip over and give giant handfuls of skunk number one to every one of the band members and seeds to them.

1:28:19SpeakerI had really a lot of herb at that time.

1:28:23BubblemanAm I incorrect to say that Joseph Culture Hill was like in Amsterdam? Maybe you guys were hanging out and then he drove to Germany and passed away like the next day?

1:28:35SpeakerYes, that was true. And probably the one I was closest to, I had known actually Ajaman's crew longer, but Uroy. I mean, you really was very, very special and close to us.

1:28:57BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, I have a few songs with my name in it from all pretty much reggae artists. There's Richie Spice wrote one called Dabbin'. That mentions me a few times in there about vaporizing some full melt with them. Luton Fire did one called Sweet Trichome. John Mason did one called, oh, what was his called? I can't even remember all that. I think there's about five or six of them now.

1:29:30BubblemanSo I don't have hundreds, but I'm still working on it. Well, don't forget on Hash Church, right? Oh, on Hash Church. That's right, dude. That's a classic song. There it is. There it is.

1:29:42Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, Marcus, you earned my trust like almost immediately. And thinking about that, because... And then summer 90, like that whole summer 99 after I, or that year I'd gotten the bags, really. And I think, I don't, when did you put the bags out? December of 99 or spring of 99? I can't remember. It was March. So March. So March of 99. Yeah. I remember. I remember 99.

1:30:18Collin PalmerI went a lot with like these fucked up wet balls of hash, basically like wrong, like just wrong. You know what I mean? And I was like, bubble hash, you know, trying to move, you know, move, move and shake. And, um,

1:30:33BubblemanThat was my fault.

1:30:33Collin PalmerYou know, I mean, it was, it was our, everyone, you know, you can't put it on you, man.

1:30:38BubblemanWell, I sold you the bags. I sold you the bags and then showed you how to dry it incorrectly. That's true. You did. Yeah. And then, well, I kept, I remember I kept on like hitting you.

1:30:50Collin PalmerI can own it. I remember. Yeah, well, I remember hitting you up one time and I remember I used snow. I like washed with snow and you're like, dude, don't do that. All the trichomes are going to get stuck in it. You know what I mean? Because I was like, just trying, you know, it's cold out after I'd gone through the first few months of having it.

1:31:08Collin PalmerAnd, uh, It took a while, man, to really get it, you know, again, no one to talk to except, you know, a message that you would send and hopefully you'd be on Overgrow and answer it through PM, you know. Free DM, which is funny to say. When the word DM came out, I was like, what is DM? What happened to PM? Private message, you know what I mean?

1:31:31Collin PalmerBut that's, you know, the journey of that. I think I remember utilizing that and going to on tour with it with my girlfriend at the time. And, you know, it was it was an interesting time. And I think everyone's lives at that point in that band's career and our own lives, because it was mainly, you know, there was some hash, but it was it was very few and far between.

1:31:57Collin PalmerAnd it wasn't very good when you found it. It was usually imported. But it's, yeah, I think, Mark, you know, the timeline is maybe a little bit into the 2000s when the bubble hash really, truly hit. Because I don't, I think maybe 2000, 2001, 2003, that's really when it started to really blow through the lot, down shakedown and stuff. And then from there, it just grew. First ladder hash.

1:32:28SpeakerBut I made was 1988.

1:32:32Collin PalmerWow. So Sam, with that said, like, were you pulling, were you, how, what screens were you using? Like, I'm always curious.

1:32:38SpeakerI was not using screens. We would use, we would get dry buds, grind it up with like a coffee bean grinder and dump it in big, tall, like several liter glass jars. And the resin would sink down to the bottom and you'd wash it once or twice to get rid of the floating crap and make the water cleaner. And then you treated it like water hash. But the yield wasn't quite as good as with multiple bag system like Marcus came up with a decade later.

1:33:24SpeakerBut it It absolutely did work, but to be honest, I didn't make a whole lot of it because even though the yield of dry shift was much lower, I preferred dry shift. To me, it was the gold standard, and so that's what I made.

1:33:45Collin PalmerYeah, it makes sense because the one thing, I was hanging out with Mojave and Rob Clark, and one thing he said that you would always say is that Gold sinks and shit floats. And I just thought it was the funniest thing that we were just like sitting there and he just says that all of a sudden. I'm like, that's really funny you say that, but how would you get to that?

1:34:05Collin PalmerAnd then you just, you just saying what you just said made it all make sense to me because you're using jars and the gold would sink and the shit would float.

1:34:14SpeakerYeah. Rob took a lot of pictures of the processing and it was actually showed to me in 1988 when By Neville at Cannabis Castle. And some American guy, I think his name was Mike. I don't actually remember at the moment. He had showed him. And a week later, me and Rob went over and visited Neville. And he showed us. And I thought it was really interesting. But I didn't do it a whole super lot because I like dry shit better.

1:34:55Collin PalmerWas that because of the turf preservation? You know, because when it gets...

1:35:00SpeakerI invented static tech and I could clean up dry sept to 99.9. Now the yield was incredibly low, but when you make water hash, depending on the variety you're using, You will lose some of the terps, etc. I mean, that's why the water, you know, smells so terpy.

1:35:29BubblemanRight, right. And did it matter that the yield was so low when you had access to a fair bit?

1:35:36SpeakerYeah, I mean, I never, never, never, never ran out of herbal cannabis. I mean, I had, you know, massive amounts.

1:35:46BubblemanTrust me, dude. I saw it. I saw the wall of 55-gallon barrel drums, blue ones, filled.

1:35:53SpeakerAs far as the bubble bags go, I was thinking about, you know, rejogging my memory. These were the first bags that I got. I dug up an old picture for you, but I got my local hydro stores in Vermont to order these from you probably in 2005 or 2006.

1:36:11SpeakerAnd so that was my early hash making journey. That's awesome. With your bubble bags right here back in the day. And then my buddy and I, who were, my other buddy was really more passionate about hash than I was. And he made us a custom press and brought some gold leaf. And so we just, you know, would take some nice stuff. And I also messed up drying it the first couple of times, but we were smart enough to put it in the freezer.

1:36:34SpeakerBut so that's how long I've been going back with those bags would be probably 2006. That's awesome, man.

1:36:42BubblemanThat's early days, dude. That's very early days. That's only, you know, six or seven years in. And it did take really realiztically like around three, three and a bit to pop and take off.

1:36:53Collin PalmerRight. When did the eight bag kit come in? Like around 2005? Right. I remember that.

1:36:59BubblemanNo, I think he had a six or a seven there. He just said seven.

1:37:04SpeakerIt said made in Nepal and it took over here to convince my local hydro store owner to get it because they were so bugged out to even order bubble bags. You know, like that was it was different times. I know. Yeah, it was. Greetings, everyone. Yes. It's changed the world, Marcus, because most people weren't using my dry set method, even though I publicized it.

1:37:30BubblemanKazam's got to go to work, Sam. Just give me one second. Kazam's just going to say goodbye and then you can finish.

1:37:35SpeakerYes, sir. I will rule to just cut out like that, you know. So it's nice meeting everyone. I'm sorry not to have to leave this important conversation right now. This is so interesting. Like I can't, I can't process all that I'm hearing. I know. So I'm talking to some legends right now. And so it's really, it's really great to invite me. I'm Bobby Mann. I'm really looking forward to linking with each and every one of you and see how best I can learn and grow, grow the best thing in Jamaica here.

1:38:10SpeakerOr you know what I mean? 100%. Yeah, it's really great. You know, trust me. I mean, for me, I started music by climbing trees and smoking ganja. That's my inspiration. When I started smoking herbs and to a group called Orthodox Music. There are a group in an organization in 12 tribes of Israel in Jamaica here. So growing up in a Rasta family. Growing up with herbs every day, 24 seven a yard in a space.

1:38:43SpeakerIt was only evident that, you know, I ended up starting smoking weed. I started smoking herb, as I said, climbing the ackee trees and finding inspiration. And eventually I started to write notes, which turned out to be music. So that is how my journey started 21 years ago, 22 years ago, musically.

1:39:08SpeakerAnd just Herba Music has never, have never departed since.

1:39:15BubblemanListen, I'm just impressed with your pre-work joint. Like he's on his way to work right now. Look at that. Hold up your fatty.

1:39:25SpeakerI love that. I'm going to have three more, but I don't know. Those are for my wife. It's really fun. It's really nice linking you guys and it's really awesome. Trust me. So hoping to link up soon again. As I said, I got to go to make that paper version. All right. All right. Good work.

1:39:53BubblemanEnjoy your day, brother. Talk soon, Kazam. Bye-bye, Lorraine.

1:39:56SpeakerBye-bye. Blessings, everyone.

1:39:59BubblemanBlessings.

1:40:00SpeakerYeah, man. Respect.

1:40:04BubblemanThat's so good.

1:40:07Christopher CarrOne leaves and one comes. We have Nick Riley here.

1:40:12SpeakerWe want the best. It's got to be fire in and fire out. Yeah.

1:40:21NickAgreed.

1:40:22BubblemanWelcome, Nick. Where are you at, Nick?

1:40:26NickThanks for having me. I am in Humboldt County. I'm outside Redway in Sohum.

1:40:33BubblemanOh, yeah. That's what's up. Humboldt representin'.

1:40:38NickYeah, yeah, just off-grid in the mountains here, so. Oh my God, dude, that's what's up.

1:40:44BubblemanWell, give us a little introduction to you, man, for the people who are watching that might not know you or what you're up to.

1:40:51NickWell, I'm sure no one does know me.

1:40:56NickMy name's Nick. I run media and marketing and a million other hats for Reggae on the River. And I work with the Mateel Community Center, who's the nonprofit that puts Reggae on the River on. My wife is actually vice president of the board. My partner on the farm is also on the board. You know, I'm involved in growing weed and cannabis on every level you could think of.

1:41:21NickAnd Yeah, we just, as a community, Mateel Community Center has kind of been like the beacon of both music and cannabis culture, honestly. And Reggae on the River was always that pinnacle. And so for me, it was, you know, kind of coming in. I'm from Cleveland, Ohio, originally moved out to Humboldt, like, 13 years ago now. And I just, I didn't plan on staying. And it sucked me in, you know, the cannabis was great.

1:41:50NickBut really, what sucked me in was the culture. You know, I come from kind of like an underground punk rock anarchist world. And, you know, the hippies that I knew in the city were totally different. And so I came out here and it was like, Oh, wow, this is this is a world I can get, you know, into and really kind of live in. And after a couple years, just realized, like, You know, the material is kind of everything I've ever been looking for.

1:42:17NickAnd so my wife and I just dived head in. Uh, we've been trying to help keep it alive. You know, I hate that kind of story of like, oh, this thing's dying, gotta keep it alive, but. That really is what we're dealing with here. And then through that, you know, spent a couple of years trying to bring back Reggae on the River with some of the key people that originally did it, some new blood, a little bit of everything.

1:42:40NickAnd last year, by the skin of our teeth, we did it. So, yeah, it's all about how to keep that tradition going, I guess. So I'm more here representing the Mateel and Reggae on the River for the little bit that I can. But to me, it's more about You know, the homage to that legacy that I didn't have a part of, but now I'm so blessed to be able to continue.

1:43:02SpeakerHey, Nick, I just wanted to say big ups and appreciate what you do for the Mateel. I've got a property east of Garberville. I'm not currently a full-time Humboldt resident, but I get up there when I can. And that's, you know, a big part of my heart in that community. So, you know, I understand the challenges. Haven't met you before, but would love to find ways to support, you know, when and where I can.

1:43:27SpeakerI worked with Chris and Redwood Roots and a lot of those guys. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know Chris. My neighborhood is the Palo Verde, you know, New Harris Island Mountain is where my spot is, which is got a lot of old history in Southern Humboldt. So it's a pleasure to meet you.

1:43:41NickThanks, man. Same. Yeah, right back at you. And you're Rebel Grown, right? That was the... Yeah. So actually, I just remember you were my favorite person and booth to talk to at the... I can't even remember if it was the Golden Tar Boards or not. It was some real early Mateel thing that happened. And, you know, I came down out of the hills. Like I used to work for an old timer who was super paranoid.

1:44:05NickSo to me, even going to the Mateel and seeing stuff like out on tables, I was like, what the hell? But it's funny. I just found one of your little burlap sacks that you had your seeds in the Rebel Grown on the floor of my house like three days ago. So, yeah, nice to meet you this way. Yeah. Yeah, definitely let me know if you're back in town.

1:44:22NickI'd love to catch up. Absolutely, for sure.

1:44:29BubblemanYeah, that's cool, man. Reggae on the River. I've never been myself, but I've been to some of the big ones in Jamaica, and it's just magical vibes. It's definitely worth keeping that alive and keeping it going. It's too bad you just missed Kazam.

1:44:44NickHe was going, I kind of wanted to be like, just come to Reggae on the River. We'll take care of you, you know.

1:44:50Bubblemanum but uh he could he can link you up with an enormous amount of people uh artists from that kind of younger i don't know if you were familiar with this guy joe He's got a, he passed away some years ago, but he was, if you ever, if you, I mean, anyone that listens to reggae, if you've ever heard them say ja, ova, evil, which Chronix was quite well known for it, but Protege said it and Kabaka said it and kind of all these different artists that were a part of this uprising through Joe, Lickle Joe is what they call them.

1:45:23BubblemanHe ended up having a brain aneurysm and passing away. So they pay homage to him in the songs through Ja Ova Evil, which is J-O-E, which is his name. So yeah, I wish I could put my video onto the screen. I mean, I can, but there'd be no sound. But this right here, it's called Ja Ova Evil Part One. And that's Kazam in the tam on the right with the with the green, gold and red shirt playing the acoustic guitar.

1:45:58BubblemanThere's Micaiah Shaman next to him and Hempress Sativa's there and Joe's brothers in the blue shirt way over on the left. They just came and performed for me and my buddy one year when we were working for an online YouTube platform that monetized views. And man, And what an experience, dude, like I can't, I probably have 150 studio phone numbers for Kingston and at least maybe 200 artists from like the old school roots guys to like from Luciano and Tony Rebel and all those guys all and you know, Israel vibes and all these guys and then all the way back to like the Chronixes and the Kabakas and I've just had a huge passion for reggae music, a big part of my life.

1:46:44BubblemanAlthough funny enough, you know, for me, it started with rock and roll. My dad gave me the old Beatles and Stones albums and CCR. And I was just like, this is fucking awesome. And then it kind of went into punk rock for me because I was a skateboarder and I was living in Winnipeg. This kind of pretty, pretty awesome shithole that, you know, a shithole sucks if you don't make best of it.

1:47:05BubblemanBut if you're living in a shithole, like, I guess kind of out of rock before.

1:47:09NickCleveland's kind of a shithole too. Your story sounds very familiar. Very similar.

1:47:14BubblemanVery similar. We just had all the great bands. And so just like Cleveland, prior to the punk rock bands, we had all the metal bands. So first I saw all the metal bands, you know, from Glam Rock Kisses to like Hardcore Sabbath and just the real rootsy metal shit, even like Venom and like, you know, some obviously Slayer. That kind of turned into punk rock. We had this dive bar called the Albert that just had like every punk rock band, every punk rock band.

1:47:44BubblemanLike they were all just there. And I was buying vinyl at the time. So I still have all these punk rock records on vinyl. And that kind of grew for me. I don't know how it happened. It must have been psychedelics. It must have been psychedelics because somehow for me, and I don't think I'm missing anything. I went from Thank you so much for watching.

1:48:20BubblemanLike a crackhead. Like I would just listen to Peter Tosh all and he had so many albums. It was just like pounding Peter Tosh religiously into my head. And then and then really jam bands, jam bands, reggae, and now more eclectic from hip hop. Obviously, there was hip hop in there a bit too in 95 when Biggie and Tupac were kind of taken off in the woo and You know, obviously KRS-One and some of the classics that I like.

1:48:49BubblemanSo I feel like I'm pretty eclectic in my music. I guess if there's any genre, I've certainly paid attention to world music. I was a huge Fela Anikulapo Kuti fan, massive Fela fan, listened to so much of that music for so long with Egypt 80 and all his other different iterations. Even his son, Femi Kuti, I got to meet with those guys. Yeah.

1:49:12Collin PalmerDude, his son is incredible, dude. I saw him at the Central Park. Same energy.

1:49:18BubblemanI mean, I never got to see Fela, but Femi I've seen many times and his energy was incredible, dude. And they speak French. So I'm bilingual being a good old Canadian. So I was able to meet them in Amsterdam. There was really not a lot of people at the show that were speaking French, funny enough, but I could. So they spent lots of time Hanging out with me.

1:49:39BubblemanSo always happy to spend time with musicians who are so exceptional at the execution of their vision or tapping into this just incredible, I guess, as Dan would say, amplifier. Well, he was calling cannabis an amplifier, but music too can be amplified, as we know from Bob Dylan. I guess it was what, 1965 or 67? What year did Bob Dylan do his... Or even, yeah, Newport, was it earlier?

1:50:08NickYeah, I think it was 65.

1:50:09Bubbleman65, yeah, so that was a big thing when he just like, I think he was getting booed there, wasn't he, when he came out with the electric guitar? It goes to show you how much humans fear change, because I bet you 99% of the people that booed at Dylan when he came out with the electric guitar at Newport are huge electric guitar fans today, if they're still alive.

1:50:34SpeakerYeah.

1:50:35NickYeah, new is scary.

1:50:37Collin PalmerSame thing happened to Miles, man. When you made Bitches Brew, they were like, what are you doing, bro? And you changed the world. I mean, I had a conversation last night where they're like, Miles is underrated. I was like, actually, he created drum loops. So I'm not quite sure I'm on board with that.

1:50:52BubblemanActually, he just doesn't give a fuck about that.

1:50:57SpeakerOn the West Coast, it was the Monterey Pop Festival.

1:51:02Collin PalmerRight. That was, was that the most important like open air festival in California, Sam?

1:51:09SpeakerIs that like the biggest? Yes. Yeah.

1:51:11Collin PalmerYeah, because I remember listening to Hendrix or studying Hendrix as a young musician and That performance always came up because of him lighting his guitar on, you know, all the stuff, all the sensationalism that happened during that. And no one had ever seen that. It's incredible. Well, I don't know. He was definitely influenced. I was thinking about that where he was definitely influenced by like The Who and others like that because they were already doing crazy stuff like that.

1:51:44Collin PalmerAnd then he was like, what am I going to do to up this? And he was like, I'm going to lay my shit on fire.

1:51:49SpeakerWell, yeah, it's kind of a guitar kind of good.

1:51:54Collin PalmerYeah, it was decent. Just kind of good.

1:51:56BubblemanHe inspired some people. I remember seeing Dweezil Zappa and him telling the story of like finding like bits and pieces of a guitar under his dad's stairs and his dad being like, oh, that was Jimmy's. That's the one he burnt at the Monterey Pop Festival. And Then I think he restored it. He might have even been playing it the night that he told the story. I can't imagine why he would tell the story if he wasn't.

1:52:17BubblemanBut I don't remember exactly. Dweezil Zappa definitely has that guitar, though, the one that Jimmy set on fire.

1:52:25SpeakerFrank was... One block away, a neighbor of mine in Lowell Canyon. And his babysitter was Miss Christine, who was kind of a girlfriend of mine at the time.

1:52:43BubblemanAh, the Skunk Man Sam history. Frank's a block away. The Hayes brothers are even closer. Frank's probably telling his band, stay the fuck away from those Hayes brothers and that skunk guy.

1:52:54SpeakerWell, I hadn't run into the haze when I was living in Laurel Canyon. That was in the late 60s. So it was a different time.

1:53:06Collin PalmerDown near LA, not Santa Cruz. Well, hold on. There's like, Sam, just let me, can I ask you a really important question? Because that scene, that music scene, Laurel Canyon scene at the time you were there was the most important music scene in the world. Like it was the center of... I mean, all, you know, pretty much most of the greatest songs we've written.

1:53:27SpeakerWell, it wasn't the center of the Jefferson Airplane and Big Brother, you know, so I mean, there was other important areas too.

1:53:41Collin PalmerTrue, but it felt, at least it felt like Fleetwood Mac and... You know, the beach, I mean, so much American history has been written in that canyon. It's kind of, for me, at least as a nerd about music historical moments, I look at that as a very unique time, almost like the Lower East Side in the mid to late 60s kind of had its own vision too.

1:54:05SpeakerThey're within five miles of the current fire line of the Palisades Fire. Palisades Fire is right on Mandeville Canyon, which is just above Glenwood, which is just above Mulholland. Mulholland actually, the old Mulholland Road is the current boundary of the upper level of that fire. So that fire is getting up, going north towards Encino, which is crazy.

1:54:32Collin PalmerIt's terrible. I mean, I have two friends that are, I had a bandmate that actually Marcus met in Amsterdam, Ross. He lost his whole home. He lost his studio, his music equipment, all his memories, everything is just gone. He sent me an image and it's nine blocks this way, nine blocks that way, just gone. And, you know, for those that are out there that can help, Just to say this really fast to everybody, please help.

1:55:04Collin PalmerDon't go into a corny narrative about politics that's corny, that's ridiculous. Stop. Go help people. Talk about all that later. Just go help. Be actionable because right now is the time. And if you have N95 masks, please ship them out to people. Please help because they're breathing in super toxic, like very toxic air. And that's another issue that'll be later discussed.

1:55:30SpeakerA good example was two houses away from Frank Zappa's house was Joni Mitchell's house.

1:55:46BubblemanHey, welcome to Morning Glory, who just popped in. Looks like he's enjoying some outdoor action, getting the fresh air.

1:55:54Collin PalmerYes, sir. Good morning, guys. Good morning. Over here in Mendocino. Where are you from, brother?

1:55:59SpeakerI'm in Mendocino County.

1:56:00Collin PalmerIt has this East Coast look to it with those trees poking out your back left side over there.

1:56:06SpeakerCan you hear me? Absolutely. Awesome. I'm here in Mendocino County in NorCal. Welcome. Awesome. And I jumped in at a pretty sensitive time talking about the fires because actually in 2020, I myself became victim to the Oak Fire and I actually lost everything.

1:56:26Collin PalmerI'm sorry, man. Sorry to hear about that. You know firsthand what it means. But yeah, you know, it really is. I'm hoping and I'm hoping they can contain the fire. It's at 11% or I think 11% and you know, maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but it's not looking great. So yeah, it's not for sure.

1:56:58SpeakerCan I share your story? Please do. All right. So in 2008, I moved to Santa Cruz next to a green room on Beach Hill. And my roommates at the time were the Moon Germs. So kind of punk rock, surf rock. It kind of ties into all this bubble bags, everything. And they were like, I was 18, didn't know anyone. I actually took a musician's room because he went on tour.

1:57:23SpeakerAnd I'm like, now I'm living in Santa Cruz. And they take me to this band practice in Monterey. So there's a Monterey Pops there. And they jam hard. And I'm trying to keep up with all these college kids. And I'm 18. So I'm puffing tough. And And fall asleep on the couch and I wake up and they're dumping black and yellow bins and they said it's time to chop your way to the top.

1:57:45SpeakerAnd so the whole the whole house was trimming weed in Monterey and we would get someone to trim and make hash out of it. And that's how we like built our studio, our little jam shack. Our first records were paid for from crops. Later on, I started Ancestry, which is a Santa Cruz roots band. So Nick, it's a pleasure to meet you. And our goal was to tour a circuit from Seattle to San Diego.

1:58:11SpeakerAnd that's what we did. We would chop our way to the top. It was all funded from cannabis and we would make the hash and sell that at shows. And one cool thing about Weed and Music is it was the growers in Oregon and NorCal that would take us in. We would play a show Like the Jolly Roger or something, some, you know, dive. And we had nowhere to stay.

1:58:33SpeakerWe were sleeping in a little LAX short bus and there's 11 of us. And it was always like a grower, some iry head would be like, yo, where do you guys stay? And like, we had no idea, like in our car, you know, in the bus. And so that's another cool thing is not only was it the amplifier, cannabis was like the muse. But it was the cannabis community that always took in players and bands and acts in my experience as a performing touring musician.

1:58:59SpeakerFrom Seattle to San Diego, we always got love. So it's something that I think, you know, times have changed when it comes to like, you know, depending on a crop to pay for an album or a tour. But hey, it really was the foundation that built our group, Ancestry, and one of our ways, one of the stops on the way was Reggae on the River, circa like 2010, 2012.

1:59:24SpeakerIt was 2010 to 2014, that was our circuit. Yeah.

1:59:30NickYou nailed something though, like just being a musician and stuff myself. I mean, whatever, just the traveling around in a van with like some level of like weed, or I used to ship finger hash back to myself and hide it in the, you know, guitar pedals. And that would be like smoking out of an apple on the back of the van. But you nailed it every single time, no matter where you were, if it was like a shitty ass sports bar we ended up at, if it was like the randomest hardcore crusty house, Thank you for joining us.

2:00:20Nicktype of music you just described you're like oh it's all over it's eclectic it's all weed like that's the one kind of like you know it it really is like and out here in Humboldt first thing I realized when I moved that was all the hills too it was like if you can imagine a type of person into a type of music smoking a kind of weed they had their own little hill or like part of a hill or like they'd bring their little crew up and that kind of thing and and everyone still had that one common denominator it's like oh man everyone's so different around here weed Yeah, the traveling in a van and just being out there with that as the common denominator.

2:00:55NickI couldn't agree with you more, man. You just touched my heart on that one. So and yeah, come back up to Reggae on the River. Say hey, you know. Will do, man.

2:01:05BubblemanDude, imagine the level of kindness you gotta have to be like, oh, how many are there of you? Uh, just like 11. Oh yeah, no problem, dude. Come hang out. I got like a studio apartment just above the hardware store. We should be able to fit if we all lay head to toe, head to toe. And the LES dudes too.

2:01:26SpeakerYeah. Missoula, Montana. Some punk group let us in just to a co-op. I can't tell you how many like punk anarchist co-ops we as like crusty, you know, Santa Cruz heads would come through and it was all weed. We came through with that bubble hash. We were chopping our way to the top. And but it was also just that the compassion, you know, head knows ahead by the look of the eye.

2:01:50SpeakerAnd, you know, you see someone smoking, you're like, OK, let's let's go. Let's go hang out with them and contribute to the circle. And it always worked out. We always had a place to stay, even in the cold, wet places. It was always it was always important piece to keep the music and the weed together.

2:02:07BubblemanListen, back then, Bubble Hash was like this like elevated version of Kind Bud. It opened all locked doors if there was a puffer on the other side. Yes. What did I tell you?

2:02:21Collin PalmerYour story actually reminds me of like when I'm we I met Marcus in Amsterdam with my band when we just got off tour and we just went there by chance to just like they're like what do you want to do go to like Belgium or France or I was like let's go to Amsterdam and go fucking hang and they're like all right let's go and then I get there and I walk into this shop and I see see the bubble bags on the wall and I'm like oh dude that's my friend's bags And the guy literally goes, oh yeah, Marcus.

2:02:50Collin PalmerAnd he calls Marcus on his phone. And he's like, hands me the phone to like test if I actually knew Marcus. I was like, Marcus, it's Lemon Cake. He's like, dude. He's like, come to this address. And we all end up rolling over there. And we had an incredible time.

2:03:04BubblemanI feel like that was at Adam's place. Weren't you in Amsterdam at Hemp Works? I think so. Yeah. I was at Adam's.

2:03:13Collin PalmerYeah.

2:03:13BubblemanAt Hemp Works. Exactly. It was Hemp Works.

2:03:16Collin PalmerI saw this. I saw your stuff in the window. I was like, Oh my God, I'm going in. Like I went in, I was, I was like, dude, this, I felt connected. I was like, Oh, it's connected here. And, uh, Yeah, my, you know, and then we ended up meeting you and then meeting Sama. And then we were asked to play the showcase with Cypress and all that Cypress Hill and all those guys.

2:03:37Collin PalmerAnd we ended up opening up for all them. It was cool.

2:03:40BubblemanI think it was Doug, Adam's partner, Adam Dunn from TH Seeds that him and Doug had a place called Hemp Works. It was Doug that called me.

2:03:49Collin PalmerYeah, I remember it was like it was. Yeah, it was definitely Doug for sure.

2:03:53BubblemanThat's the best day when you're actually like I remember being backstage at a string cheese incident concert once and this dude was dropping a name to me. He's like, oh, yeah, I know the bubble man. And I was like, what? And he said, yeah, that hash guy. And no one, first of all, nobody, like I'm not a person. Like I have a very small niche of people.

2:04:16BubblemanYou're looking into his eyes. Yeah, he's looking right at me. In the end, he did know my friend Kyle who helped me with one of my earlier logos. So it was kind of an honest mistake type of thing. But hey, I wanted to welcome Mendo Dopes in the house. I just saw him pop.

2:04:34Mendo DopesWhat's up, my brother?

2:04:36BubblemanHow's it going, dude?

2:04:37SpeakerGood.

2:04:38BubblemanHow you guys doing? Doing it, man. What up, brother? Good to see you, bro. Telling stories. Everyone's like everywhere right now. My bottom row is awesome. Got Mendo Dope in the car. Kazam Davis in the middle. He's in the car on his way to work smoking fat tans. And then Morning Glory is my bottom left corner. So right on, guys.

2:05:00SpeakerHow many people are in here right now? I'm still trying to figure it out. 12, there's 12 of us.

2:05:05BubblemanI think on a phone you have to like swipe to another page, I think, on a phone.

2:05:12SpeakerOkay, I'm on my laptop, but... Oh, you're on your laptop. In the corner and I can go down and up and down through the list of people.

2:05:18BubblemanYou can also go up to the top right, it should say view, and you can go to like gallery if you want to see everyone at once, or you can go to speaker and then only the one person. I see 12.

2:05:30SpeakerOkay, awesome. Yeah, there's a double stack in here.

2:05:35BubblemanBut how stoned are you, Sam? Me? Are you talking to me? I am.

2:05:41SpeakerOh, well, I'm sitting here smoking my... I'll give you a demonstration. A demonstration?

2:05:51Dj HardI'm trying to.

2:05:54BubblemanA Skunkman Sam demonstration.

2:05:55Dj HardHe's focusing hard. Focus, brother. Focus. On the Focus V. Look at that. It is the Focus.

2:06:03Collin PalmerI knew it. Dude, did you know that?

2:06:07Dj HardDid you know that, DJ Hart, before you said that? Hey, check it out. Check it out.

2:06:11Christopher CarrI gave Hitta one of those several years ago.

2:06:13Dj HardOkay, okay. Hey, so check it, check it. I just got to say this. I think every important relationship that I've ever made in my life has come from marijuana. I'm talking about, I've smoked weed everywhere. I'm talking about when they started legalizing it state by state, I used to jump on the plane and just fly there. Like, that's my vacation. Solo. I even DJed at the first annual Cannabis Cup.

2:06:43Dj HardThe first, second, and third high times ain't Now, I'm going to tell you something. As far as, you know, hash, I hit hash. I'll do some dabs. I like to roll up myself personally. However, I went to Amsterdam. I was disappointed. I think that the Kelly weed is the strongest weed. Now, I'm from Texas, so I think that the Kelly weed is very strong. You know, uh, Oregon, I don't like it.

2:07:18Dj HardWashington, I don't like it. Denver, I don't like it. Oklahoma, I damn sure don't like it. But Michigan, Michigan.

2:07:29BubblemanHell yeah, Michigan.

2:07:30Dj HardMichigan is very- You fuck with Michigan? Michigan is very, very underrated. Those Chaldeans up there, Those are like Arab Christians. So you know how you have Arab Muslims. So you got Arab Christians. So they call themselves Chaldeans. And those Chaldean people up there, they grow some good damn wheat.

2:07:57BubblemanListen, that weed, believe it or not, is all around the world. And sometimes if you're just looking for the weed itself, it's hard to find. But if you hunt the hash and you find the six star full melt, like you just found the weed you're looking for. 100%.

2:08:18Collin PalmerWell, peace, everybody. I got to roll. Marcus, I'll be back next week. Full force, people. I love you all. Thank you. Thanks for including me. It was really lovely to talk with everyone. I love all of you very much. Take care. Have a great day.

2:08:31SpeakerPeace, everybody.

2:08:33Collin PalmerYeah, dude, Dan, we'll link. Peace, brother.

2:08:37Dj HardYeah, but I want to try some Vermont weed. What's up with that Vermont weed you talking about?

2:08:43SpeakerDan knows. So here in front of me, you know, I've got, this is the California version. And then I've got the Vermont version here and I got them both rolled up. So I've been smoking back and forth. This is the California, this is the Vermont. And then I've got some indoor too, but yeah, Yeah, you know, it really depends, in my opinion, on how it's stored. There's things about my California weed that I like better, that I think it has a deeper flavor, and it's probably a bit stronger in certain ways.

2:09:15SpeakerThe Vermont weed is easier to preserve the terpenes, so it's really terpy and it's easier to keep it fresh, I think. I'm high, so I like both.

2:09:27Dj HardWhat would you prefer though? Like if you had a preference, would it be the California or would it be the Vermont?

2:09:33SpeakerI'm in love with growing weed in both of these places, so I would never do that.

2:09:37Dj HardOkay, okay, okay. Don't make him choose.

2:09:40Christopher CarrDon't make him choose.

2:09:45SpeakerThat's awesome. What I will say is that Humboldt County and the Emerald Triangle is probably the ultimate in terms of potential climate, history, culture. If someone put a gun to my head and said you could only grow weed in Humboldt or Vermont, I'd probably go back to Humboldt, but it's a very tough call.

2:10:09BubblemanHave you been up to the Kootenays in Canada? I haven't. You should come check out the Kootenays. I'm like 99% sure it was like Draft Dodgers from Humboldt who bounced to the Kootenays and started the culture there. So it's very much like our version of Humboldt. It's big, it's forested, and it's just like maniac fucking characters living on acreages just everywhere growing weed.

2:10:40SpeakerIs that where Black Bear was living?

2:10:46BubblemanBlack Bear was actually in the Okanagan. He wasn't quite, but he would have like, he would have been the king of the Kootenays. Fuck, he would have been the king of Humboldt for that matter. That guy was quite a character.

2:11:00SpeakerSo my first year in Humboldt, the farm that I was at had a bunch of Vancouver Island purple crosses and a bunch of Kootenay crosses. So we actually had a bunch of You know, Vancouver Island, early finishing purples crossed into some like old school neighborhood northern lights crosses. So that was actually the first stuff I grew in California was, you know, Canadian, you know, stuff and did great.

2:11:23SpeakerIt's beautiful. That wasn't from legends, was it? It was some people who had come and worked on farms and they brought genetics with them that they had been working on in the Kootenays and in Vancouver Island. And then those just made an impact. You know, it's like they were living in the neighborhood and brought genetics and combined them with the old school neighborhood stuff. And some people still had it.

2:11:46BubblemanYeah, that's awesome. Go ahead, Caleb. We'll cut you off there.

2:11:51Christopher CarrNo worries. Yeah, let's... We get some intros from our two newest guests here. Lazy from Mendo Dope and also Morning Glory, our Mendocino representatives today. Yeah.

2:12:08SpeakerGood morning. Good morning. Good morning, Morning Glory. Morning, brother. I guess I'll start it off. Oh, lost you a little bit. There you go. Yep, I'm Morning Glory. As I mentioned, I'm here in Mendocino County. Wow, where to begin? I have a passion for the hashen. I also love to DJ on the side. And lately, starting last year, I decided what happens if I wanted to combine both passions, both DJing and hash making, by which...

2:12:39SpeakerHonestly, I put me and a good homie of mine who's been kind of doing this thing for a while now, put our talents together, and we've been on this little bit of a quest this last few years, myself, I should say, along with him within this last year of finding the right frequencies, vibrations, hertz, and honestly, DJing and using bass as the agitation process. I was just going to say, are you doing that already right now?

2:13:07SpeakerYes. We've been talking about that for a while too. It's the coolest thing ever to make some Keef with some bass. Yeah. Actually, I remember Subcool Rest in Peace was using a bass agitated Keef. And then I remember seeing that. And honestly, before I started doing hash making, Back in the day, I was, I remember watching documentaries about hash making in Morocco, in which you would see the sticks and beat sift process happening.

2:13:35SpeakerSo I'm like, all right, if they're beating the plant material, they're using a vibration. So what happens if I, as a little R&D, what happens if I took a bunch of my grinders, put them on my subs and DJ to see what would happen? And little success, had great success. And then, all right, not just dry sifting, but what about ice water sifting? Savage. And yep, it's been real positive results.

2:14:02SpeakerYou know what else works really good is ultrasonics. Yes. When you use ultrasonics, either with alcohol, for example, you can put ground up buds and just do it for like, 30, 45 seconds and what you get is gold. The green doesn't come out fast enough. Beautiful. It's incredible. Awesome. Actually, in terms of ultrasonics, I've been using ultrasonic as a way of cleaning the resin once it's sifted through the microns.

2:14:47SpeakerSo I'll be honest, like in terms of cleaning that resin, I'll be real. In this little R&D process, I have not used a hose or a fan setting on the hose to clean the resin at all. It's only been ultrasonics and it's been working. And how clean does it get? Pretty honestly, the market I have with people interested, it's that old school hashish quality and it's a good melt, full melt bubble style.

2:15:14SpeakerIf it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble and it's been never trouble so far. I made that up.

2:15:20BubblemanYes, sir. Honored to be in your presence.

2:15:28NickI just wanted to jump in. I actually just got back from Morocco not that long ago. And what you mentioned morning, like I took note right away where everyone was talking about like who was beating the best hash. And it was all about what rhythm they had. And so like in the family that I was like hanging out with, it was like the different sons all had different rhythms and they'd all argue, no, mine's the best, mine's the best.

2:15:51NickAnd it'd be like, oh, listen to the pattern and then smoke the hash. And it was like you could tell the difference because it was how long they did it, you know, what kind of thing. I never thought about the science behind it as much as you, but immediately that clicked in my head is like, ah, that's that's where it's at. Being a drummer myself.

2:16:08SpeakerThe only trouble with Moroccan hash is Yeah, but I tell you what though, I was out there in Casablanca for three days and I was hot as fuck.

2:16:44BubblemanThat's what's up. Well, you know what you do? You listen, I've had to smoke things of a much lower caliber in my days, depending on to me, it's always what you have. Whenever someone says, what's what's your favorite hash? I'm like, well, the one that was grown Like perfectly. I care less about the aromatic profile than I do care about how well has it expressed itself. Because at that point in time, I can lean towards any flavor profile.

2:17:16BubblemanSure, I love the haze. That's kind of my all-time favorites. And I have an appreciation for fruity and the gassy and all these different varieties, garlic and funk. But... I really would choose the one that was grown the best every time. There's no flavor profile that would have me choose something that was a little bit below something else just because I preferred that flavor profile. That's how much my focus is on the caliber, the purity, and the quality.

2:17:47SpeakerMy focus has always been on effects. So that's for sure. Up, clear, high, speedy. I don't really like couch rock weed, although I understand how medical users do like couch rock because they're in physical pain.

2:18:10Dj HardI like the couch back and it ain't because of physical pain. I like the full effect.

2:18:20Christopher CarrGot it. Full effect. So speaking of very efficacious cultivars, congrats to Mendo Dope on the recent Emerald Cup win. Yes.

2:18:36SpeakerThank you, my brother. Yeah, that Heddy's is a very special strain. We've been liking for quite a few years now. We've been growing more and more of it throughout the last couple of years since we found it from the From the ReVeg, you know, I don't know if you see the story from the Emerald Triangle thing. They did a little cartoon even about the little story. It's pretty funny.

2:18:56SpeakerBut yeah, I was found at our homie's garden and I was already in full flower. My homie passed away that year, so we were going to his garden to go check out what his plants look like to help his dad kind of put strains together because he had a lot of seed start stuff. So he's trying to pack things to sell and what can mix together. And we found that one right there and cut the clone.

2:19:16SpeakerThat's already, you know, Deep October. So full of eight, nine weeks on the flower of it. And then slowly brought it back the next year, had a couple of clones, tested it indoors. Next year was perfect to do an outside test. It did pretty good. And then we did a big outside garden of it at the, at the farm we had with Cody. And, um, So yeah, that one is, it's just like a straight old school gas, but there's a little something hiding in there too.

2:19:41SpeakerIt's like a 90, I'd say like 95% old school gas. And it's a little bit of every gas. It's hard to even say which OG it is. It's like a, it's just like a really good OG of, A little combo from like the best OGs that we used to have, like not even ones that we ever grew because we never really got a really good OG to grow before.

2:20:01SpeakerWe always would get cuts from clubs and get something that's not what we wanted. We're always trying to find these couple of different OGs that we would get eighths of, you know, and be like, man, if we could get this cut, but we never could find it. So then after finding this one, it's like the gassiest one we've ever had. Our favorite, like just cush strain in our mother room and our like selection.

2:20:20SpeakerAnd, um, It's a super, super nice strain. Just super cool and grows really badass. And it's really cool that the judges all liked it. It was funny, too, because like, you know, gas has been a little bit on the back burner now after all the exotic candy gas things that people are on and all of the new hype stuff. So for it to be like catch the judges for like a just nice, pretty close to all traditional OG kind of profile was really cool to see how People like Emerald Cup people are a little different too than other people too.

2:20:53SpeakerThey're more old school and they're very smart and they're not like a normal other cups, you know, like they could be tricked by the hype stuff. So it's cool to see like people that really took the time to like it, liked it like as much as we liked it. So it was really cool to see.

2:21:05BubblemanCool story too.

2:21:13SpeakerIt's very strange to us. Yeah, it's like, well, we're going to have to keep this forever. You know, like this isn't us. We we we keep strains probably for like we've had we had a vanilla strain we had for like 11 years as long as we ever had one strain for. And then that strain kind of got maybe sick or sad or have Latin virus or something.

2:21:34SpeakerIt stopped growing to grow really vigorously and we just got rid of it. But besides that one strain, we kind of keep strains for a few years, maybe three, four years, and then we'll move on again and kind of switch things in the mother room around. But that Heddy's strain in general will be like a forever strain for us. And we've been crossing strains to that now for a little bit.

2:21:53SpeakerSo you have all kinds of strains with that lineage from it. So it's really cool to see. New stuff that's backdates to that also. If you keep your clones clean, you can keep, I've had them for more than 30 years and they were just as good as they were 30 years ago. But I used extreme measures to keep them clean, including not taking any new plant into my facilities until I had field trialed it for six months or so.

2:22:27SpeakerYeah, I bet that's probably how you have to be real serious these days with everything going on and all the strains that have, you know, all the strains you can get that are disease-ridden and whatever. And really, for our mother room, our whole life since we started keeping that vanilla strain, we kept in like 2012 or 2011 when we first kept like mothers and that was the first clone we kept as like a...

2:22:49SpeakerForever like all year long we keep it and all the next year we have it and we have it and and our mother's sex like a lot of our mother rooms we would just let them barely live like sometimes during the winter they're just like very dormant like in uh um like uh i forget what the word would be right now but it's like they're like in limbo they're not really happy they're not vigorous because we don't have a lot of space to have like vigorous plants the whole all winter and all year and the amount of moms that we do have so we For a long time, we keep our moms in the wintertime really slow growing, kind of sad, and then we'll boost them back up in the season.

2:23:23SpeakerI had a cold grow refrigerator, so I kept the temperature at four or five degrees, and you hardly had to water it at all, and it had grow lights fluorescence inside the refrigerator. That's just super smart. Yeah, that's it seems like keeping them in that dormant, slow motion grow is not a problem to slow down things and be able to maintain. But with us, like we, that vanilla mom, we almost lost it like 10 different times throughout the 11 years we had it.

2:23:57SpeakerLike it just, it got, it would get sick. And then when Russets hit that year, Russets hit hard out here, it got Russets bad and we barely kept it alive that year. And then it's like that thing went through hell. And so it's like not far fetched that it would catch something. And it probably, maybe someone could have cleaned it. We liked it a lot, but we also, you know, it was cool to have it for as long as we had it.

2:24:17SpeakerWe didn't need to. To force, force. At one time, I had 360 mothers and a few fathers. Damn. And yeah, my employees sort of rebelled against me. So I knocked it down to 120. So I've had it happen a lot. I've had people rebel against my collections, you know, like I've had whole years where we've, you know, cloned, you know, 750 plants and went through multiple rounds of testing only for someone in the winter to let stuff go without permission because it's challenging to manage with a You know, when you're limited with space or electricity, especially growing off-grid a lot in Northern California.

2:25:00SpeakerSo I feel that. What's funny is as long as I've been growing weed, there's such a small percentage of time that I had actual control of a year-round mom room where someone wouldn't make mistakes. You know, and now I, you know, even in Humboldt, you know, we play musical grow rooms in the winter. We use our cloning room, which is, you know, small. We have to, you know, You know, burn fuel, which is very wasteful to do that.

2:25:22SpeakerAnd we fire up the greenhouse and put a bunch of propane in it at a certain point. But it's it's a year round evolving thing that's a challenge and not efficient with with cost or anything when you're off grid and super rural. And then here on the East Coast, we bank all my stuff. So I have my stuff banked here and have a pretty decent collection. And some of the mails that we use, we can recreate, not have to read.

2:25:45SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

2:26:04SpeakerYou know, lab testing that they're pathogen and viroid free. It's a big challenge and a big challenge in cultivating that didn't exist when you go back 15 years ago. That's absolutely true. I've found 29 different viruses in cannabis. Damn.

2:26:29SpeakerYeah, whatever that vanilla kush had, it would like, the vanilla kush was always a bitch to root too. It was so hard to root. It would take longer than any strain we've ever had our whole life. They'll always be sad by the time they're rooted. So that was a problem. But that was like, we would get them to root though. And then they would grow kind of good in beds.

2:26:47SpeakerAnd we put them outside, they look happy. But as soon as they start to get a little bit of a teen mode and a little bit where everything's starting to rip, that would just be dormant and slow down. And then as they went to flower, it started, Just dying like yellowing out and not putting out the smallest buds ever. It was like a trick for like two or three years.

2:27:05SpeakerWe thought we could like save it and the mom would be good and we get clones and they'd start to look good and we'd be like, nice, it's maybe it's back. But then, no, I just go to shit right by the time I really need to start doing something. That's why I always try to give stuff to other people I trust. You know, it's hard to trust people, but every year before the winter, I'd always try to get the most important things to at least a few people.

2:27:26SpeakerSo hopefully if, you know, if everybody made a mistake, one person would still have it, you know? Very smart. Yeah. That's how we have our headies now. We have a couple people with the headies because we cannot lose that fucking strain. So we had to make sure it's not on just one person. I mean, even when the fires came through, you know, a couple of years ago, those three years of fires straight, that was also a crazy hurdle and pain in the ass to keep mothers going.

2:27:51SpeakerIt was like very dangerous, you know, just having one of a kind plant, one unicorn in the world. If we could have it somewhere, like sometimes we have our homie now in Minnesota have some cuts for that Minnesota nice hold some things for us. We're going to start having him have like a couple of various range. It's like way the fuck away from California's fires. First off, fires would be probably the one of the top 10 ways you could lose your fucking shit nowadays.

2:28:18SpeakerI would grow one or two big plants in the ground. That would be 15 feet tall. And I would grow maybe five of them in like a five, 10 liter pot. And then I would grow a couple of them in a refrigerated cold refrigerated with grow lights. And I never lost one. That's, that's badass. That was over a 30 year period. That's like with our mothers we have we have a big like a 60 by 40 like metal shop for the last like quite a few years now where our grandpa's house was that we took over and that's like where our moms are in our studio is and we have our little hut for like our our moms we don't have we only have we can't we keep we've always we never gone hard like you guys we keep like 31 like Maskin Robbins has always been like something we like 31 flavors like if we have 31's, I don't know how, why we would need more.

2:29:20SpeakerI know it's so fucking easy to hoard and keep everything, but we would try to, once we get past that, we try to weed it back down so we can fit like our moms in the dormant state in our little hut upstairs in the, in the machine shop. So it's fucking freezing in there too. Like you're not like your fridge technique. And that is how, like, it's been helpful for us to not have just full-time vigorous plants all year round, constantly transplanting and keeping them fed and happy and Cutting them, cutting and cutting them.

2:29:50SpeakerAnd we've always done a lot smaller gardens too than a lot of people throughout the years. Once we got rated in 2013 or whatever, we just started filming our personal gardens, you know, like everyone's known, like our YouTube stuff is like, it's always like six plants and 12 plants. Like we got rated with the 25 because they're too big. And then instead of just going in the hills and Teaming up with people are going to get in a property where we were just going to blow it up.

2:30:14SpeakerWe were so focused in music. We wanted to do music so much, not disappear. And then then that kind of made us like get into the end. Subcool made us get into filming the garden at the same time. So we're filming music stuff, filming the garden stuff at the same time, but growing so much smaller gardens than so many people are doing. It's only the last couple of years we've been doing these bigger gardens where it's thousands of plants and

2:30:37BubblemanShout out to Subcool and uh what a what a great dude man like just knew the guy for so long such a character such a lover of of cannabis a true bubble ambassador truly turned so many people onto bubble hash and uh created or helped create some very well-known names in the hash world from supplying such great cannabis and if you had sub cool in your life you were like if and and you were paying attention you also had great weed oh yeah for sure he gained he laced our game up for sure a lot with the indoor stuff and with hash and solventless and

2:31:19SpeakerClean, clean weed in general, just like watering with just water and super soil and not liquid feeding every single watering and all the stuff we were told like tricked by in the beginning of the times. Yeah. And he lost his place in a fire. Wasn't that right? Yeah. Yeah. That fire was like the 2017 fire, I think, or something. That's right. He was on Hash Church, I think, the following week.

2:31:43SpeakerYeah, exactly. And he got out with nothing more than his backpack, a baseball hat, and like a small little bong and a small stash of weed.

2:31:52BubblemanWell, I was talking to him while it was happening, and he was trying to get back in his truck to get back to his property. And that's why I invited him on to Hash Church the next week. That was, yeah, that was shocking, man.

2:32:06SpeakerYeah, it was the fire that just wiped out Santa Rosa, right? It wiped out like a lion through Santa Rosa. Like it came over the mountain right where Sub's house was kind of in towards the start of that fire. And he was way up in the mountains compared to the down low Santa Rosa area. Turned over the hill, wiped his house down, almost like a fucking fire waterfall or a river or some shit.

2:32:28SpeakerStraight line through his property, through the people down him, straight to the bottom of where Santa Rosa town is. Took out like a big hotel and a couple other trailer parks, crossed the fucking freeway, went through a skinny neighborhood down to this block at the end that took out the entire fucking residential block. That was like... It was a crazy, crazy fire for sure. It was one of the biggest ones that's ever been out here that burnt Sub's house down.

2:32:55SpeakerThat shit was was like probably like very similar to what's going on in L.A., like full tornadoes, a fire full like when Sub would just explain it, he said it came over the hill and exploded trees on the way down. Like when it hit, the fire would come like a waterfall, he said. And then as it hit the next tree, the tree would explode and go down to the next one.

2:33:16SpeakerIt wasn't like the fire was Thank you for watching.

2:33:29SpeakerThat's fucking mental. Yeah, I was in Santa Rosa when that one went down. And that was a crazy experience, you know, because I used to stay at those hotels on the Fountain Grove when I used to come into town. Those were like my spots. And I had actually just moved to Santa Rosa and rented a house. And it was my first night in the rental house. Shut up.

2:33:49SpeakerNobody knew that I was there and I'd moved for a business deal or whatever. And I was about to move my family out. They were going to be there, like, you know, whatever. But I woke up at six in the morning. I went to bed and I could smell smoke and I could hear what I thought was gunshots. And I was like, who'd be stupid enough to burn a wood stove right now, you know, with the wind and how dry it was.

2:34:11SpeakerWhen I woke up in the morning, I found out that what I thought was gunshots was the propane tanks exploding in people's homes, like a mile and a half down the road from where I was. So I went to go check on my other friend's house and set up sprinklers on people's houses in downtown Santa Rosa. And yeah, I mean, the ones in LA I think are a lot even crazier and worse, but yeah.

2:34:32SpeakerHonestly, that's one of the reasons I chose to leave California part-time was like, you know, full-time was because my kids kept being exposed to so much smoke from so many fires so many weeks out of the year. And it was so intense, you know what I'm saying? And it's a really unfortunate, difficult situation for people out there. Yeah, it's really bad. It sucks so bad because Subcool, like we we mess up through the cannabis cups like early on, right when he was moving out of Oregon and he was finding a place in California.

2:35:02SpeakerThen he found the Santa Rosa house and he was so close to us. It was it was right as we were starting to become like super fans of his when we met him and he moved closer to us. Then we just clicked and he was able to drive to our house and we could drive to his house anytime. And his house was super sick. And he was just starting to grow outdoor.

2:35:20SpeakerLike it was like a second or third year doing like the mental dope style outdoor at his house. And it was so fucking cool. And as soon as that happened, it all went to shit. Like he was already going through so much shit with his health and with Jill and stuff. And then that just fucked the rest of his life up. That fire fucked it up so bad.

2:35:37SpeakerIt's so sad how many people have to go through some things similar to like how Sub did. But Sub had so much on top of his plate already at the fire. It was fucking... We'll be right back.

2:36:04SpeakerWhere the seed vault was like on his bottom downstairs of his house or whatever, like all that shit fucking gone. We went up there to his house like a month or so after the fires and walked around and looked at it and we grabbed one of the stocks that was left like they all burnt one of his trees that he had. There was a nice stock we kept and we have it in our in like our house and stuff just like for a memory.

2:36:26SpeakerBut it's fucking. So sad, dude. So sad. But Sub was, he was, yeah, he had fire so long ago. So many phenos could have been kept as one, name it, whatever the fuck you want to name. He probably had a lemon cherry gelato, similar variety in his fucking pheno mixes and shit he made. You know what I mean? He had so many cool strains. So with the people he was working with too, like in his circle, if he was making stuff with him.

2:36:52BubblemanAnd I'll say this about Sub, like his cultivars, Obviously who grew it was fairly important, but it seemed like it was, they were somewhat more generous for some people that maybe if you weren't, had never grown full melt resin before, you might have the best chance doing it with some of his cultivars. They were just like everyone I ever tried was just slamming, like so good, so tasty, so strong.

2:37:22BubblemanHe always just had great hash. And I listen, I go back with I don't even know what year it would have been, whatever year he met Jill, because I was on like like chat rooms in the 90s with her, Jill and this guy, Jack. They were like Jack and Jill. That's what they went under. This was her original like boyfriend or husband or whatever he was to her.

2:37:45BubblemanSoon after Jack disappeared and then Sub popped in and that's how I met Sub was through Jill. So really, I feel like I met him before he made any, I feel like we were both really working on making our marks simultaneously. And, you know, he was, he was a character. He had that, certain people were like, whoa, this guy's too much. And I was just like, no man, I'm from Winnipeg.

2:38:09BubblemanLike he's, he's a perfect amount for me.

2:38:13SpeakerYep, there would be times, it was the first dude that I remember we went to, after we got raided, he took us to a nice dinner and stuff. And we had a big talk about everything that happened. And he would be like going to like nice fancy restaurants and telling the waiters like, he's like, you know who we are? We're cannabis celebrities. We're like famous cannabis. Like he was the only, he was like back a long time ago, dude.

2:38:34SpeakerHe's like, Telling random people like I'm a cannabis celebrity like I am this is who the fuck I am you don't know who I am here take some weed here's a hat pin or whatever I was laughing so hard like damn that savage just just be that ballsy dude he's so ballsy to tell people and then be filming like you're saying too like the homie Nick uh box who we got the headies from um he's the one who introduced us to sub cool and he was following I think he was also following you too I remember him talking about you years ago I think Now that you say that, he was on the forums and he was on the shit before we ever were on YouTube and these chats that you guys were doing.

2:39:10SpeakerNick was on that shit. Right. That's awesome.

2:39:14BubblemanVery cool. We had Zach G come in. We had Mojave come in and we've yeah. So welcome to those two. Welcome, Zach. Welcome. How's it going? I like that both you and Mojave at least appear to be standing outside.

2:39:31Mendo DopesI'm waiting for my kids' flag football game to start, so I'm kind of tucked off in the side of this school.

2:39:37BubblemanDude, that's what's up. On Hash Church, waiting for a flag football to start. I like it. I like the shot.

2:39:46SpeakerThis is real outside. It's a, it's fricking cold and wet and it's super weird to be up here. I'm in Oregon. I like drove out of LA, watched all the smoke and shit and left my family and moved into a bunch of, came up here to a bunch of rain and moisture. So hello everyone. Cold.

2:40:07BubblemanI couldn't tell if you had a green screen going and you were just really trying to sell that shit. So you had the hoodlum and the fucking toque on.

2:40:15SpeakerHayes Valley. Yo.

2:40:17BubblemanHayes Valley, eh?

2:40:19SpeakerYeah. Santa Cruz. Hayes Valley. Really good genetics. That's it, man. It's Green Valley Road. You know it, man. It's on. It's all about bring the haze back. Blue Halo. That flavor was so good. When I was growing the lamb garden, that was Ryan would come through with some genetics and we put them in the lamb field. So a lot of love for Hayes Valley. Beautiful. I had some stuff in the field as well.

2:40:53BubblemanGo ahead, Caleb.

2:40:55Christopher CarrSo Zach runs a brand out in Sacramento called Amplified Farms. And we've gone to some shows together. And I know one of my favorite cultivars from Amplified is called Cypress OG. And I was wondering, perhaps you could share the story of how y'all got that.

2:41:19Mendo DopesThat was just basically gifted around our circle of friends that grew and it went by a few different names over the years. And supposedly our one buddy that got it first got it from, I think, DJ Mugs or something. So when we wanted to like name it for the brand, we just kind of called it Cypress OG just to give a nod to those guys. But yeah, It's one of my favorite cuts still to this day.

2:41:43Mendo DopesJust hits every time. And it's kind of like listening to you guys earlier about like keeping moms alive for a long time. And that was the one that the group of friends was always making sure somebody had alive. So yeah, I was people called it the Tahoe G for a while. And I think it went under a few different names over the years. But yeah, great, great strain.

2:42:05Mendo DopesJust great effects. Probably still my favorite thing we grow.

2:42:10SpeakerIs that also known as that Ricky's Brothers Kush or whatever?

2:42:13Mendo DopesI'm not sure. I mean, I'm sure it's known as a few things, but I can't speak to that. I don't know about that. But, you know, it grows. It gets big, you know, when it's healthy. It does really well. But, yeah, just a solid OG. It's got the nose. It's got the effect. Love that strain.

2:42:34SpeakerRBK is just old school OG. It's the same cut. Same cut, right? It's all the same cut? Most of them are the same cut. It's so badass. I've heard a lot about that story on whatever podcast I was listening to also on the first month of the day. I got a little more info from that. We've listened to CyberSeal so much and there's like... I got a Cypress Hill story that's kind of relevant to keeping strains and all that shit.

2:43:02SpeakerIn 93, when I moved to Amsterdam, Adam, Adam Dunn had just gotten his gotten the bubblegum seats.

2:43:22SpeakerYeah, I think 13 Finos or so that came out. And this is like summer of 93. And Cypress Hill had just come into town. You know, they were just new. I mean, they were just guys, right? Like they're just a new band. And it was Cypress Hill, House of Pain, and Funk Dubious. They're doing this tour. And we're hanging out with them at Cincy Seeds and stuff.

2:43:41SpeakerAnd they're doing all their... All of that promotional stuff there. And anyway, I think it was maybe the first, I'm not sure if it was the first time we met. Yeah, it was the first time we met him and Adam had just harvested this bubble gum. And he had like one plant that was yielded really low. I mean, it was like, and this is like Amsterdam closet grow.

2:43:59SpeakerImagine a closet in Amsterdam, right? It's like... It's like the size of this chair, right? And there was like, these are the magic beans from his homie back east, back in Rhode Island, who got them from the guy and, you know, the whole story. Anyway, he pops the beans and one of them was just like the most, to this day, I know everyone's got the stories of the memories because it's a weird sense memory, but to this day, it was just one of those, holy shit, that's not really, that's, weed can't taste like that.

2:44:30SpeakerIt's just like crazy. Like your mouth, you kept chewing and just like while you were smoking it, it was just like, and the high wasn't that great. It wasn't that, it wasn't that insane, but the taste was just like nuts. So we went after the show, I think it was at the Paradiso. We went back to the hotel room with, with, with Cypress Hill. I think Muggs wasn't there.

2:44:52SpeakerI guess it was just be real. And yeah. Anyway, we smoked them out. They were blown away. They were just like, dude, I've never tried it like that. And we gave them all the wheat, right? Just like, take it, whatever. Gave them like the 10 of the 13 grams that there was or something like that, you know, that was left. And then, so we had all of those set up at Adam's Place.

2:45:15SpeakerAnd then Adam's Place got robbed. Someone who had smelled what was going on in town did not like what was going on. And they came in there and they stole all the cuts and they went, it was creepy, man. They went and broke all the moms. They just snapped all their backs and left them there, like in the apartment, like walk in in a crime scene, just like a bunch of dead plants.

2:45:41SpeakerAnd only one of all the moms was able to get Reveged out of all those dead plants or dying plants, a clone, sorry, a clone that got off of those dying plants. And it wasn't Cypress Hill cut though. It was not. And that bubble gum became the parent to all the bubble gum of today. From that, that's what went to serious seeds. And that's what went to, you know, Saga Mather and all that.

2:46:07SpeakerSo the real bubble gum, the Cypress Hill cut, Which was just fucking insane. Just insane. So, and it was the only one that was, and the one that survived was, yeah, it was bubble gum. And it tastes like bubble gum. It was a good cut. It was actually a good like medium version to get a lot. But the real, the Cypress Hill cut, shit. And that's when the few times I've ever seen like, you know, that kind of weird jealousy kind of thing where someone was like, your genetics need to die.

2:46:41SpeakerLike, and then the weird part is like they took them and we knew right away. It's like, well, you can never reuse it. You can only breed with it because you can't grow it. Amsterdam's a small town. You can't like start pulling out bubble gum. It's just like, where did you get it? So it's such a weird like history in the cannabis genetics of how intense it can be when something new pops up and who has it and who can have it and who's jealous and who, you know.

2:47:08Dj HardWell, the hate is real, ain't it? The hate is real.

2:47:13BubblemanIt's fear and scarcity, man. People start getting insecure with fear and scarcity. They can do some silly things. I prefer love and abundance.

2:47:28Christopher CarrMakes me a happier person. I have a interesting, I keep seeing DJ Morning Glory there hitting his three hole hash pipe. And I'm reminded of the time that I met him at Black Oak Ranch at an event called the Kind Bud Campout. And, you know, he taught me how to use that three hole. Does anyone have any stories about kind of that story? Correlation between glass and cannabis and music and all these events that may have seen each other at.

2:47:59Mendo DopesI got a good story. My buddy Jamie from Heavy Glass Bong, he's up in in Oregon now, but Thank you for joining us.

2:48:26Mendo DopesUm, got popped and then all of a sudden he was like the biggest, biggest fish in the pond. So then I think he, he got rid of his company, but he used to go on tour with our band and, and, uh, we never had any money, but he, he would always just make sure we had a killer time and was just, just an awesome, awesome, like inspirational dude that just lived life his own way.

2:48:48Mendo DopesJust a total savage. And, um, yeah, it was, it was really good. I remember taking a guitar and, Thank you for joining us.

2:49:12Mendo DopesAnd, and just like, uh, just the way he ran his whole operation, he'd have a couple nondescript vans where he'd do his runs to supply his, uh, you know, head shops and he'd book some of it around some of our tours. So we'd always have someone fun to hang out with at the end of the night. But yeah, that was, uh, that was pretty, pretty cool scene back then.

2:49:31Mendo DopesI don't know if anybody knows Jamie.

2:49:39BubblemanI'm trying to think if I do. I, for whatever reason, always had a very strong connection to the glassblowing world from pretty early on. I would say my first pipe was, I want to say 94. I think I bought

2:49:58BubblemanA Hugh Grass. He was one of Snodgrass's like students. I got a little Hugh Grass pipe and I went to Amsterdam that year or no, the next year. And I ended up selling it because someone apparently needed it more than I needed it. But I ended up meeting Marble Slinger. Before he was Marble Slinger at that cannabis cup, it was super weird because years later, I actually met him by picking him up hitchhiking on the way to a fish show at the Gorge.

2:50:28BubblemanBut he was living in, I'm guessing, close to where Dan is right now. He said he was 30 minutes from the border if he's on the West Coast anyway, because he was in Bellingham. I'm close to Quebec. Oh, Quebec. OK, on the East Coast. Right. Awesome. Vermont. Right. Yeah. So these guys all lived in Bellingham and there was a lot of them. There was Marcel Braun, who's this just incredible glassblower, like top of his game.

2:50:57BubblemanHe was he was like creating and building tools to do things that no one had done with glass yet. So he was really going down the R&D hole. Plus, he was just beyond incredible. Jason Lee was a part of that group. So they had this huge contingency of these glassblowers. I'll be honest, this was really

2:51:31BubblemanPre-Bubble Man, pre-Bubble Hash. So for me, I was just chain smoking joints, like huge, giant joints, smoking insane amounts of them. I didn't really smoke with pipes. These guys fucking put, like took buds and like smashed them into their bowl of their pipe and then just hit it. And I was like, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:52:22BubblemanThe art form of it, the awesomeness. For flour, I miss the boat, but for smoking hash purely, like having like the stainless steel screen with the match or even better, like the beeline wick and just like fading the flame over the hash and boiling it. And even though there was no carb cap and it was probably not the most efficient way to do things, it was still an incredible experience.

2:52:49BubblemanThank you for joining us.

2:53:05SpeakerHe had a little spot right next to Adam's CIA spot in Amsterdam where he would blow. And it was a trip because I'd never seen anyone, you know, I'd never seen anyone blowing glass before, you know, other than like a fair or making little trinkets and stuff. And here's this kid, you know, he's long hair, young kid, and he's over there and he's just in this old building, like in the middle of this kind of old warehouse that looks like it's an old, like, Just old ship or something.

2:53:31SpeakerAnd me and Rob are puffing. And, you know, most of the bowls that you'd get, pool bowls you'd get were like graphics pool bowls that were like a serious deep angle. And we're puffing bubbling hash, you know, and we're like, dude, this just clogs the bowl every time. And even to put a screen in there, you have to fucking push it in. So Jason was like, yeah, he's like, oh, how would you, what do you, I'm like, can you make it a little more U-shaped and a little flatter?

2:53:59SpeakerAnd he's like, yeah, I'll be right back. And he runs over and he's like, literally like 20 minutes later, he comes back and gives us the bowl and we start puffing. It's just like, What just happened? Did that just happen right now? And it's a trip because, you know, Jason Harris, everyone calls him Jerome Baker because Jerome Baker is company. And I didn't even know for like a couple of years that I used to sell their stuff at a shop I used to run.

2:54:27SpeakerAnd I asked him one time, I was like, why is it Jerome Baker? He's like, this is J.P. Garcia. Yeah, man. He's like, J.P. Garcia. Cause it's like, you know, the glass and glass and the dead and music are just like, it's just like, it wouldn't have happened.

2:54:43BubblemanIt's just, that was the first glass blowing. I also saw, and I met Jay in 95 when that, I believe it was 95 that they, that he had that studio and Adam still had the CIA. Cause I think he closed it soon after and then opened the KGB. 94. It would have been by 95.

2:55:03SpeakerI think 94. Steve was open. Yeah. So by, I think it was just from like mid, mid, late 93, all the way through 94. And that would have been it. Yeah. It was cool. Yeah. Good times. Can I actually, I got a role, man, but I just, cause it's the music thing. I'll give you a, can I give you a quick story on my cannabis music relationship?

2:55:23SpeakerPlease. That's what we want. Right on. So I grew up, you know, with a lot of musicians around and stuff and music was always a part of it and obviously cannabis and music. So I actually moved to Amsterdam to do music. One of my family friends was a guitar player for Nina Simone and he lived in France and he said, like, come on out and I'll mentor you and you do music, you know, learn jazz guitar.

2:55:49SpeakerI wanted to take it to the next level. I was like, yeah, cool, man. I basically came out there, got a one-way ticket and partied in Amsterdam for a few months and hitchhiked to France. And like some dumb kid with like a big bag of hash and a guitar and a backpack, I realized that my mentor had moved back to the US like four weeks earlier. Because we were communicating on like postcards and fucking pay phones and shit, right?

2:56:14SpeakerAnd I literally stranded in Paris with no money and nothing but hash, which was better than money because whatever you found people who needed hash, right? Got you. That's how I survived. Got like a place to stay and food. Anyway, and I called up Amsterdam and called up and got Monica at Cincy Seeds on the phone. And Monica's like, why don't you, you know, come back up here?

2:56:38SpeakerAnd we became a couple and I ended up living with Monica and I started growing and breeding. And while I was in Amsterdam, this band and I fell in love with cannabis, you know, with the whole culture in Amsterdam. And there was this band that was an L.A. band that was local band, you know, playing around and they got signed and they were doing they needed their guitar player quit.

2:57:02SpeakerAnd they needed another guitar player. And I was like, well, I play guitar because I can't remember how I knew these guys. And they're like, and I'm from L.A. Like, perfect. It's like, oh, yeah, dude. And so we're rehearsing and starting to do some recording. And then actually, yeah, that's they got signed afterwards. And they had like this five record deal and a tour and all this shit.

2:57:22SpeakerAnd they're like, all right, we're going to go. We're start touring in Germany. We're going to go around the world, blah, blah, blah. And I said, you know what? I. I think I'm just going to stay in Amsterdam and grow weed. It's just I couldn't feel it. It was just weird. I was like, the plant was so like, dude, I'm here. It's like right here. It's like if you can play music and be with me, then that'll work.

2:57:45SpeakerBut if you're going to go off in the world, then we're definitely going to part ways. You know what I mean? Because traveling in the early 90s and cannabis was always such a challenge. So I decided just to stay with the plant. And, you know, and that band went off and their lives went crazy and they all had all this crazy drama on their world tour and, you know, following your passion is like definitely important.

2:58:11SpeakerBut for me, it was definitely sticking with weed. It was the sage. It was the sage, dude. I couldn't, couldn't, it was, it's like part of my, uh, part of my DNA, you know?

2:58:22BubblemanSage needed to exist.

2:58:26Mendo DopesI got to jump in. My game's about ready to start, but I really appreciate you having me on.

2:58:32BubblemanThanks, Zach. Take it easy, guys.

2:58:35Mendo DopesI will. Have a good day, you guys. Thanks, Zach.

2:58:40SpeakerMojave, I seem to remember your story having an exposure to the Grateful Dead at an early, early age, right? Isn't there a story there? Oh, yeah, no, my dad's best friend was the road manager for the Grateful Dead before they were the dead. He was an old friend of Jerry's, and he was more than my uncle. He was like another dad to me, someone I grew up with my whole life.

2:59:11SpeakerAnd he was a total character. We had lots of musicians. And, you know, in the scene in Big Sur. And yet we were very my dad was a smuggler at one point and him and his best buddy had all kinds of strange relationships with the dead around, you know, cannabis. And but.

2:59:37SpeakerBut yeah, it goes way back. And his family, his kids are still good friends. And I never really appreciated growing up like what that meant, like being like, you know, it's like just the Grateful Dead was just a kind of a fixture, you know, of our family. You know, Hell's Angels, like my mom tells stories about like, you know, Hell's Angels showing up on a dirt road and Big Sur on like Harley's like 13 weeks later.

3:00:03SpeakerBring in food for us because, you know, they found out that a bunch of hippies living on this out in the woods didn't have food. And so we have this weird Bay Area connection. We live. My family lived in Moran, too, before we moved to Big Sur. So, yeah, it goes way back with the dead. But then later in life, as a teenager, when they reemerged in, you know, I guess, you know, in the 80s when it became a big thing, then I started going to shows again.

3:00:32SpeakerAnd, you know, by then my uncle was no longer involved because he got way whacked out and drugs and all that stuff. But he kind of reintroduced me to that scene and his kids as well got reintroduced to the scene and started going to shows, backstage passes, going there and hanging out with the dead in the back there, you know, just like a trip, just like a little kid on acid there while the wives are making them sandwiches.

3:00:57SpeakerAnd I'm just like, wow, sandwiches look really good. Could I have a sandwich? Like, what the fuck? I'm just, I'm just here. I've got this pass and people say I can go places. Are you amazed? Are you amazed like me? Like when you look back now, like here we are in 2025 and it was just kind of like a flash in the pan that they existed for the 30 years that they did.

3:01:20SpeakerHere we are and Thank you so much for joining us.

3:01:41SpeakerThank you so much for joining us. We'll be right back.

3:02:08SpeakerI think it has to do with the taping. They allowed taping at their shows, and that was a really smart move. It didn't seem like a smart move at the time, but if you think about it, there's more recordings of the Grateful Dead than any other band on the planet. If you think about all the tapes and everyone's collections and the way it was traded, to me, it's phenomenal just to think about it.

3:02:37SpeakerI think the music, well, I think the music is important and the music is beautiful and that is definitely 100% true, Mark. But I think more than the, to me, the real reason the dead is still relevant and people listen to the music and the cover bands and all the similar bands and jam bands is because the spirit of what the dead was and that connective tissue that they were for humanity.

3:02:59SpeakerThank you for joining us.

3:03:30SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

3:03:46SpeakerWhat happened in and around that scene, especially as it relates to cannabis and psychedelics, and I guess having a good time in general, is, you know, like if you go to a Billy Strings, so Billy Strings, again, just like incredible musician. and he's got a scene outside of his shows the proverbial shakedown street right where there's people who are vending all kinds of you know wares and you could get good glass pipes you could probably get good weed i mean the thing is is that that that business model of having a culture kind of develop around your music i think the dead were the first to do that right because like you the great bands that you mentioned and i i grew up listening to prog rock elp yes you know genesis great music and such a You know, period of time when, you know, when you got records, you had to go to the record store the day the album was released.

3:04:50SpeakerAnd then you brought that album home and you clean your weed on it and you put the headphones on and you got lost in Pink Floyd Animals or, you know, remember all that music that kind of like It created and this goes back to this episode right Caleb a connection between the human experience of music and like getting high like when you got home with that Talking Heads album that was just released and you're getting high and you're listening to that album for the first time like maybe you've heard a couple of the songs on the radio but like It's not like it is today.

3:05:28SpeakerI mean, you heard that song on the radio. You had to wait till the radio station plays it again to hear it again. I remember listening to to wrapped up like a douche, another runner in the night. I'm like, oh, my God, did they just say douche? Holy shit. I had to go back and listen. I didn't even know that that was a Bruce Springsteen song. Right.

3:05:49SpeakerAnd we were fucking high as hell inside. My friends, sister's car. We couldn't even finish the joint that we started smoking. But I mean, the connection that we had back in the FM music days between, you know, getting a record for the first time at the record store and then going home and smoking some weed and putting it on. I remember, you know, brothers and sisters, the Allman brothers.

3:06:16SpeakerI remember the day that Terrapin Station came out, the day that Shake Down Street came out. Yeah, you went to the record store, got the record, went home, rolled a joint, got high, put the headphones on, and listened to that music for the first time. It was a magical experience.

3:06:33BubblemanRolled the joint on the record.

3:06:37Dj HardIt was the same way, but I had some difficulties.

3:06:44Dj HardYou know what I'm saying? Some Snoop Dogg, some Dr. Dre, Chronic 2001, Explosives, baby. You know what I'm saying?

3:06:54SpeakerWell, I was a white kid living in the suburbs growing up in the 70s, so I was just, I was listening to WNEW in New York, and whatever they played, if I first heard Elvis Costello, first heard the Talking Heads, first heard Squeeze, All those great bands. And it doesn't seem like music is that way anymore, right? Like the music that's today is just doesn't have the substance that, you know, that music of the 60s and the 70s.

3:07:24SpeakerI don't know, Mark, I think the music is great, even better in some respects, because it's everywhere in performance. It's just the ability, the record companies can't present the art the way they used to. And so now record companies can only present the most commercial fast food version of it, because it's been taken away from them, right? Music is now in the hands of the internet. So it's like, there is no, like, it's sad for kids not to have that collective experience of The way we did.

3:07:56SpeakerBut I think the music part's alive. It's just not the product the way. The music is weed, right? There's too many people trying to go grow weed. They're not all deserving to be growing weed. And there's too many people trying to be artists. And maybe they're not all talented. And because the record labels no longer invest heavily in artist development and creative the same way, The stories aren't being told.

3:08:19SpeakerThere's just a lot of there's just a lot. But of course, I'm sure there's the same amount of talent percentage wise in the world. It's just harder to dig through it and find it. You know, I just think about me searching on the Internet from something now compared to 10, 15. I can't find anything. I don't know where shit is. I don't know how you find out about stuff, but I.

3:08:37SpeakerI think that's what it is. It is all about the internet and so many people trying to do it similar to weed. There's just so many people who go, oh, weed's cool and I want to be down with weed. And that's what makes it hard. Consumers have to weed through all that themselves to find out who the real weed people are.

3:08:55BubblemanYeah, well, back then, too, it was, you know, more like this, like, main component of where the music was coming out from. And they were all listening to similar records. They were all inspired by similar bands. And they were all being inspired in very similar... They were moving to the same places and going to each other's concerts. And so it was kind of like now... That's not how music is chosen.

3:09:18BubblemanLike now music is chosen through the infinite hyphae of the mycelium network. It can come from a billion different ways. It certainly does not need to be limited through like the record label, which was pretty much the way music was fed to us back in the day. If the label didn't get behind it, it would have been very hard for you to have been turned on to Led Zeppelin.

3:09:43SpeakerRight. I saw some artists talking about what they would do to fix it. And they go super simple. Put CD players in cars, start selling CDs, put CD players back in cars and get rid of all this digital stuff. I don't even have any music on my phone. I don't know how to download anything but my own music. So I listen to music on YouTube because I don't know how to use Spotify, but put CD players back in cars, sell the CDs in physical stores and no more streaming.

3:10:11SpeakerI think that's, again, just going back to like what the jam band scene is now and like nuggs.net, you know, all the couch tour stuff and all the broadcasts of live performances. I think the Grateful Dead changed the way live music is presented. And like, yeah, now anyone with an Instagram or a YouTube channel can be an artist. And back then you needed to be picked up by a major record label to be distributed or else people wouldn't know who you were.

3:10:43SpeakerBut I think what the dead did quietly all during the 80s Thank you for joining us.

3:11:09SpeakerIt was like an obsession. You know, they thought that we were obsessed and I had to kind of like rationalize the Grateful Dead like baseball. I'm like, well, yeah, it's different every time. You know, it's like every night was different. And I don't think every band was like that at the time. And so now I think, again, there's this whole scene of bands who can exist without having mass popularity and not being, you know, a band like Mo, for example.

3:11:39SpeakerI think Mo is a great example. They have achieved a certain level of success. Their, you know, band admin office is all family members. So they kind of keep it in the family and they play small little venues. Daniel liked this. They just played Stowe Cider the other night. And, you know, like small venues, kind of like Zen Bar and like things that are nice in Vermont that has, you know, cultural significance in that when you go there, you're supporting a local venue.

3:12:10SpeakerSo the money you're spending behind the bar isn't going to some live nation, big venue. It's going to a small venue owner here in the state. And so things kind of stay And I think there's certain levels of success that you can achieve now without being, you know, Ariana Grande or some, you know, big blown up act these days. There's still a lot of great music going on today, but I don't think that it's, I don't think it'll ever be like it was in the 60s and 70s.

3:12:44SpeakerThey don't sell records to Dan's point because that, but they make their money So if you're a good band and you can perform, people do appreciate live music. And there is amazing music. I just, lately, like a couple months ago, Spotify took me on a thread that I wouldn't have gone down.

3:13:12SpeakerAnd I've been like listening to some really cool music that I never would have selected. And I got, but I got lucky because 90% of the time I ever tried that before, it took me down this commercial avenue that I didn't like. So I'd always just play the music that I wanted to listen to. And then I started letting it go. And I was like, wow, there's, wow, you guys took me to like 70s Ethiopian jazz funk.

3:13:36SpeakerAnd I'm like, this really fucking cool. And now I'm like obsessed with Ethiopian jazz funk.

3:13:43Etienne FontanWell, as long as there's people smoking marijuana, right? I mean, as we used to say, you know, you get five guys together, you get them to drink alcohol, they get into a fight. You get five people, you get them a joint. Thanks for watching.

3:14:15Etienne FontanIt's creativity and perception. What people were doing on a fretboard, they started doing with turntables and sounds and really experimenting and taking things. So it's always going to be an ebb and flow. You remember, you know, rock and roll was going to be the devil's music, but jazz was the devil's music. Then hip hop was the devil's music. So Just make music. You're always going to be accused of being on the side of the devil because you're being creative.

3:14:43Etienne FontanSo, you know, just do it. And whatever happens, it's just as everybody's talking, how I did it, which was making a mixtape and, you know, then, you know, 45, then to, you know, going to wax and stuff like that. That went away, but now it's back. You know what I'm saying? So, because when I grew up, I was only buying seven inches, right? My first seven inch was a lay freak, you know, freak out, you know, back in the seventies, right?

3:15:15Etienne FontanRight? But that was, again, what was it? It was an affordable medium, right? A 45 was, you know, less than a buck back then, right? And it was two songs, right? You got one song and then you got one song you never heard on the other side, right? Or that you occasionally listened to, right? But then that, what, changed into, right? How many of us belong to a music service, but like the old school where you get 10 tapes and, you know, then you have to buy them over a series of time, right?

3:15:43Etienne FontanThen it became CDs.

3:15:45SpeakerAnd then it's just... K-Tel.

3:15:48Etienne FontanRight? K-Tel for sure. And then we all destroyed our computers with LimeWire, right? Or our friends' or our parents' computers, right? I used Kazaa. Kazaa, right? Because then we had way too... Thank you for joining us.

3:16:28Etienne FontanYou know, you have to be really good, talented, but you've got to also have some luck and love and a way to get that music out. So, you know, cannabis spreads still by smoking circles and the music will continue to spread just in different ways, shapes and forms. And something's going to evolve from, you know, the turntables to something else eventually that's currently being made right now that people are scoffing at and laughing at will soon eventually become the dominant paradigm in music.

3:16:58Etienne FontanThat's just how it goes because Generation Alpha, right? The new generation will reject our conventional music and find something and create something else. And that's the beauty of music, right?

3:17:07BubblemanWhatever they do create, I do hope to see a world where you can go to a musical experience and have cannabis be the drug of choice that's set up to support your intake of cannabis. It's not all booze. It's not all you come in, you're like, oh, welcome, Mr. DJ Hardhitter. We've got your table right over here with your pre-rolled blunts as you pre-requested. That's the VIP service.

3:17:36Dj HardThat's what I'm looking for. I need that on the pull-up, on command, on demand. Always have my goddamn Wii.

3:17:47SpeakerIs that in your rider? I mean, put it in your rider. Others have. We also what I do when I do shows is I have somebody go around the crowd, hand out a bunch of weed. And so I usually get bags of lighters and pre-rolls and stickers. And I'm not in California. It's easier, but I'll just pop a whole bunch of pre-rolls and get everybody smoking our herbs.

3:18:06SpeakerI'll get the people performing that I'm opening for smoking the herb. Then I get everybody in there smoking the herb and then I throw more off stage. But yeah, I'm excited to talk music. I've been working on my music for a long time and have kept it pretty private and personal. And like I mentioned earlier, I just debuted my first release back in August. And what's cool is I've got decades worth of songs that I'm going to all start putting out.

3:18:32SpeakerAnd so my plan is to start a label and have a whole strategy Thank you so much for joining us.

3:18:58SpeakerYou know, I need to free up the time to shoot the music videos and write the blogs and do the fucking, you know, other things to get it out there. But I appreciate an opportunity to come on and speak about it and be interesting if people check it out.

3:19:15BubblemanAbsolutely. Well, I definitely want to get links for everyone that has, whether it's your Spotify set list that you like to listen to, whether it's your own music, links to what you're doing. I spoke with Caleb earlier at the end of the show. I definitely want to have all of your contacts and, you know, links to in the description of the video soon after we're done. So, yeah.

3:19:40BubblemanIf Caleb doesn't have those already, make sure you send him an email with those so that the minute the show's done, because the show will get like, you know, 5,000 views in the next five or six days, but it'll be like, we want those links to be up right away. You know, it might go up another 5,000 views in the next, Month or two. So in a very short period of time, we'll get a lot of eyes on it.

3:20:05BubblemanSo it would be nice to give everyone the proper exposure to what they're doing, especially with music.

3:20:13Dj HardHell yeah. Hell yeah. Oh yeah, Tupac made me smoke a lot of weed too, though. I ain't gonna lie. Tupac was a good one.

3:20:24BubblemanYeah, absolutely. I, you know what, once again, through this bubble bag thing, like even something, someone was mentioning Bear. I was like, I met Bear. Like I met Bear because he saw bubble bag. I met Skunk Man Sam because he saw bubble bags online. He reached out to me. He's like, he's like, if it don't bubble, ain't it worth the trouble? Do you know who first said that?

3:20:43BubblemanAnd I could even hear the like aggression in his voice when he asked me on the email. And I was just like, Thank you for watching.

3:21:03BubblemanHe's like, I think butter is better than bubble. And I was like, what? Who the fuck is this character? He was in his like eating like butter, infused butter towards the end of Owsley Stanley's life. He was all about the infused butter. It's probably how he flipped his tracker. Honestly, he was eating a lot of this butter. Anyway, yeah, it was a super pro meat guy, dude.

3:21:26BubblemanLike, forget about it. Like he was all his consumption of cannabis at the end was was through butter, which is fine. I'm I'm pro all cannabis consumption, use whatever it is. But yeah, so met lots of characters over the years with the with the bubble bags, a lot of different characters that even we've mentioned today here. But oh, the Tupac one, I was going to say. Didn't meet Tupac, obviously, but I met Mike Dean, who I guess produced... Mike Dean, that's my homeboy.

3:21:59BubblemanYeah, dude, Mike Dean, dude. Mike Dean reached out to me years ago. I had no idea who he was, but he's like a... He's the man, dude. He does a lot of work with a lot of artists. He's had a lot of successes.

3:22:12Dj HardHe does a lot of work with these people.

3:22:15BubblemanYeah. Dude, he used to send, he would send me unreleased Scarface music that was like, that no one had heard yet.

3:22:24Dj HardThat's right. He worked on all the Scarface music. Him, N.O. Joe, Scarface, him still. Actually, they did the Tiny Dizz. Y'all should really check that out. The Scarface with the Tiny Dizz with Mike Dean. Oh, I've seen it. Now, this guy here, he's He's an incredible musician. He should get an invite today.

3:22:48BubblemanTotally, totally. We'd do a whole show around Mike Dean. But yeah, he was another one that reached out about bubble bags and I ended up getting him a set of bags and just kind of a heady dude. I was kind of, when Mike first reached out to me, I was like, this is it. This is where bubble bags are going to get their first mention. We're going to get like a bubble hash something.

3:23:07BubblemanWe're going to get a mention in some hip hop song. I know Mike, but it just, you know what? It leaned into the reggae and it was the reggae that got a hold of it. It's like, no, no, we got this. We got this.

3:23:23Dj HardHe even works with Travis Scott and all of those guys.

3:23:26BubblemanOh, yeah. Kanye. Kanye West. He was like posting pictures of him up with Madonna like not too long ago.

3:23:35Etienne FontanI was going to say, you know, it's not just being in musicians to get involved in cannabis. I was with the Cannabis Action Network back in the early 90s and the Lollapalooza and the Horde Tour liked that we were grassroots cannabis people and we went out on tour. And then Primus and Fishbone and various others were like, we like what y'all are doing, come out with us and educate people on tours.

3:24:02Etienne FontanSo, you know, you can, this, you don't have to be a musician to necessarily plug into the scene because what we found is when we were doing these tours, the musicians were all coming to us I met various musicians scoring, you know, on the buses from the bass tech, right? It was the actual seller on the tour, right? So everybody went and visited and... You know, it's just the reality is cannabis and music are tied at the hip.

3:24:32Etienne FontanCannabis doesn't travel without music and music doesn't travel without cannabis. That's what I learned from the inside scene. So again, you don't have to necessarily be musically inclined to tap into the culture. If you're active, And you're genuinely working towards as we were, they will respond. Not only that, they'll invite you on the tour. We weren't paid to be on the tour. We had to pay our way through and sell our own T-shirts and do that sort of thing.

3:25:01Etienne FontanBut those are ways that you can just plug in if you're not. Or if you want to get along for the scene, become a roadie, you know, learn how to plug in and play and do all that stuff. Those are real jobs. I've done that myself, and you can get around and see a lot of the world in music just being behind the scenes. It's a tight-knit family that way.

3:25:20Etienne FontanRight, musicians?

3:25:23SpeakerYou guys want to say, DJ Hardhead or whatever, man, I just want to say Scarface is really inspirational to me. I'm a big, big Scarface fan.

3:25:31Dj HardWell, big brother, I should say. Yeah, um... See, I work in the general manager's office at Rap-A-Lot. Actually, my boss just passed away, the legendary Mike Mack. But he was over with Rap-A-Lot for everything having to do with all of the music, the catalog, everything except for accounts payable and receivable because starting at Rap-A-Lot.

3:26:09Dj HardManagement, marketing, getting the video shot, everything. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, Scarface, man, that's like my favorite artist of all time. And I know him. And I don't know him, you know what I'm saying?

3:26:28SpeakerYeah, most people think of Scarface as, you know, and they hear his stuff that kind of took off when he became more mainstream. But Scarface's early music is, he's considered your favorite rapper's favorite rapper because the way that he wrote and the way he did storytelling, it's on par with like a Slick Rick. I mean, it's a very, you know, unique, you know, standout artist that was really inspirational to me.

3:26:53Dj HardYeah, especially the song. Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary. You know what I'm saying? So good, man.

3:27:01BubblemanListen, imagine he's sending me his shit unreleased. Like it hasn't even gotten out yet. And he said, he's like, here, check this one out. And I'd, I'd see it. It would say Scarface MP4. I'm like, yes, crack this thing open and listen to it like 25 times in a row, man. I was like, how did I somehow hit the jackpot where this dude reached out to me to buy my bags is now sending me unreleased music.

3:27:28BubblemanBless you, Mike Dean. I appreciate you, dude. Hell yeah.

3:27:33Dj HardHell yeah.

3:27:35BubblemanYeah, he's an incredible rapper, dude. That guy is amazing narrative skills and vivid. Often dark tales of life in Houston, right? Struggles of the streets. Introspection. What's unique about Scarface?

3:27:55SpeakerHe was probably one of the first rappers to talk about struggles with mental health. You know, like hip hop is so masculine. Most people are trying to feel hard, but his early music, he would talk about the own battles that he was having in his mind and some pretty dark stuff for sure. But, you know, really, really deep. He's an interesting dude just watching interviews of him, you know.

3:28:17BubblemanIt kind of plays to today where you see, I don't know how many of you guys have been exposed to Ren recently. But Ren was going to be, Ren was kind of going to be like some big, big thing in the UK. So I don't know if it was, he was supposed to be a pop star or something, but he had major, major mental health breakdown. And then just inwardly converted his mental health breakdown into a focus on executing authentic music, his authentic music.

3:28:50BubblemanAnd if you don't know who he is, I would definitely implore you to go check it out. He's got some cool concepts. For the longest time, all the videos I'd seen of Ren were him busking out in the streets of whatever city. I think there's some Amsterdam ones and some London ones, but he'd just be busking and really, really crushing it and doing a wide variety of music.

3:29:13BubblemanBut yeah, Some of his more non-covers, his own authentic music. He's basically having a conversation with his dark passenger, right? His mental illness is like the voice in his head. And he's wearing just a like hospital gown and he's sitting in this sort of dark and dingy room on an acoustic guitar. And it's It's really fucking powerful. If you haven't seen it, I would check it out.

3:29:42BubblemanHe's worth looking into. Just, you know, from what Dan mentioned about Scarface, speaking about mental health, Ren is definitely picking up that baton and going deep with it. Really exposing the... That nitty gritty dark side of mental health that really everyone has suffered from at one point in time, some worse than others for sure, but everyone's tasted it.

3:30:19BubblemanWell, we've got about a half an hour left today on the show. If there's anything... I know I was going to end it. I had a concept that I was going to ask you guys about. I'll have to remember that. I did have kind of the last 10 or 15 minutes of a question I was going to ask everyone. But in the meantime, we have about a half an hour if anyone wants to...

3:30:41BubblemanSpeak to anything in particular or talk about projects that they're up to that maybe the people who are listening would like to know about. I think we have three or 400 people watching live right now. Yeah, still with 325, 326.

3:30:59SpeakerWell, I'm always happy to talk about stuff if there's any topic you guys would like to discuss, you know, from genetics and ongoing stuff with You know, breeding, cultivation, music.

3:31:15SpeakerOne thing that came to mind earlier that kind of resonated was like cultivating and giving space for the grow. And I feel like in creating music or the creative process, it's good sometimes to be out in nature. And that disconnect, I think that's a connection with cannabis and music. And we'd love to speak to that maybe a little bit because I know in NorCal Emerald Triangle in the Santa Cruz Mountains or where I grew up in...

3:31:43SpeakerGold Country, that connection to getting to the roots and creation, I think is best paired cannabis and music together, but also taking that time on the hill and taking that time in the wild, the wild element to cannabis and music. I feel that I, um, there's no human beings within a half a mile of me in any direction. And, um, I, I like it that way. Um, I really like my privacy and I think that's because, you know, I've been trying not to get busted for weed a lot of my life.

3:32:21SpeakerUm, and so, you know, both here in Vermont and in California, both, both properties are off grid solar and battery. And so, uh, You know, I like to visit cities and more populated areas to kick it and do cool stuff and experience culture and visit people. But I definitely prefer to be, you know, more, you know, in natural surroundings and try to preserve them as much as possible.

3:32:48SpeakerAnd that's where I like to grow weed. And that's where I like to write and do music.

3:32:55SpeakerVery cool, man.

3:32:57BubblemanI definitely have a massive affinity for music. Not necessarily. much of a creator of it you know played drums and always enjoyed drum circles and have a lovely collection of drums and got an acoustic guitar eventually i play left-handed so there was never it just was never convenient for me to learn from anyone if someone knew guitar and had a guitar it was strapped the wrong way for me i was just i didn't i didn't fit into that unfortunately um but that's okay because i was directed into creating nice hash so i was happy with my pathway and i can always still pick up my guitar today and start playing it again which is a beautiful thing about music but it's definitely played an important role in just my life and i can see it in my kids too my daughter in particular how important music is to her Just that connection.

3:33:50BubblemanIt's nice to have a track to your different experiences of your life, you know, where you hear music and you can remember specific times. That's pretty cool.

3:34:04Etienne FontanYeah, music has, I think, got us all through times of no pot, right? Than anything else, right? You know, from this, you know. When I went to combat, when I was in the army, I made my own mixtapes. I brought an Outback, Sony Outback fucking tape player, right? Because I needed something heavy duty to survive. And yeah, I mean, all the toughest, most hardest times in my life, the only thing that's pulled me out is music, right?

3:34:37Etienne FontanThat has always been my lifeline. Is that the same for everybody else?

3:34:42SpeakerAbsolutely. Through hard times and as mentioned when I first jumped on that losing everything in the fire, one thing I was blessed about in the community here in the Emerald Triangle was that not only did farmers see what happened to me and bless me with trusting, getting their trust to make hash for them, but also I got to DJ harvest parties. I DJed a lot of parties out in the hills that helped me rebuild myself.

3:35:15SpeakerThat's awesome. Beauty of community here. I just want to learn to grow the weed from scratch to everything. Everything that I can learn about growing. Everything. And I'm willing to learn.

3:35:36BubblemanWell, there's no shortage, man. And let me tell you, there's a lot of good people sharing information about such a thing. Plus, you live in a place where when you plant seeds, they grow so beautifully.

3:35:58SpeakerI think if some of these legends could drop some of the links so, you know, where we can read up or learn a couple of things, a couple of videos. I hear some of them are talking about some YouTube links.

3:36:11BubblemanI can link you up with all sorts of information, Kazam, including people and even people in Jamaica. Like I said, the best way to learn, in my opinion, in Jamaica, you could go intern. You know, you have to have time to be able to give to it, but you could go donate and volunteer your time at different grows where you know someone has a vast array of knowledge that's sort of the person running it, right?

3:36:37BubblemanYou want to work with someone who's exceptional and who There's definitely certainly incredible growers on Hash Church that have been dropping really good information for the last like 10 years on here. But I don't know where would you guys that are on the panel suggest getting really good information? You know, growing cannabis knowledge. Like, where does one find such a thing at this point in time? I remember there used to be key websites, but now there just must be a billion and one different sources for this.

3:37:13SpeakerIt's a lot to sort through these days. Plant some seeds, man. Hit me up if you want. I'll give you some seeds.

3:37:23SpeakerPlant seeds and gain experience and find the best people you know who are growing weed and try to look over their shoulder and ask questions. Give me some seeds if you want some seeds. Yeah, I'd love to keep connected. I think it's good to build relationships. A lot of interviews, a lot of talk, a lot of like podcasts are a wonderful way. I feel like that's a there's a lot of knowledge there and an actual.

3:37:55SpeakerGrowing is a rite of passage. You have to be humbled sometimes and keep growing and learn from your mistakes. That's definitely something that I've been humbled by this plant so much, but I also get so fired up when it's time to germinate and get the soil ready and get back into it. Every season is, every seed is a prayer. Every breath is a blessing. Every year is an honor to walk with this plant.

3:38:21SpeakerSo stay connected.

3:38:27BubblemanWell said. Appreciate that. You're outside again, Kazam. I thought you were at work.

3:38:34SpeakerYes, I'm outside again. I'm at the gas station. I'm in and out of the office. I'm short on time, so I have to be all over the place right now.

3:38:45BubblemanAll right, all right. Well, cool. I'm definitely going to link you guys all up. Make sure on the email that I sent out that everyone like replies back with their contact information or I can get it all from Caleb. I just want to make sure you guys all have access to each other. Because that is always convenient.

3:39:10SpeakerYeah, give thanks, man. I did send an email.

3:39:16BubblemanOh, wonderful. Awesome. Yeah, we'll make that happen for sure. Just beautiful. You'll compile some as well, Caleb.

3:39:25Christopher CarrYep. Get you that list by the end of the show.

3:39:29SpeakerThat's great. We sat here and smoked weed for a long time. It's fun.

3:39:34BubblemanYeah, it's, you know, every Sunday we do this for about four hours. We go into different levels of conversation. It was nice to have a kind of a different panel today with some of the regulars as well. And So to have this conversation, I think this conversation definitely has the capability of going deeper. It's just a little bit of a harder one to crack, you know, that, that cannabis music relationship and how absolutely in depth, like how important it was in so many different genres of music that came out.

3:40:05BubblemanIf you follow cannabis use back to really like old jazz music. So cool.

3:40:15SpeakerI have a really hard time doing music and making music without weed. There's one time in my life where I was challenged where, you know, I was in a position where I couldn't smoke and I wanted to write. And so I had to really challenge myself as a writer to see what I was made of. And I was able to write some stuff that I thought was really special.

3:40:34SpeakerBut like I said about the amplifier, when I write, I just, I start smoking. And what it does is it, you know, I believe that it connects people You know, it's also a conduit, a connector. And so, you know, they talk about your consciousness and when you use, you know, weed, it can open up a lot of things that otherwise you wouldn't have access to. And I think that's where, when I work on music, whatever is coming from, you know, is largely, you know, coming from the influence that the herb has when I smoke.

3:41:03SpeakerAnd then it's kind of like a wave that you're trying to ride because like, if you hit it the right way, all this shit is bursting out and all this creative stuff. Thank you for joining us today.

3:41:23SpeakerThat's what it's kind of like for me as I use, you know, or when I write and stuff from my own experience.

3:41:29Etienne FontanIt's the key to your door of creativity, right? It unlocks your door, right? We all have individual doors of creativity that we don't know how to unlock. It just unlocks. And when it's there, you best bathe in that shit. Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:42:12Etienne FontanYou better be ready for it because it's coming and it's inside you.

3:42:16SpeakerIt's exactly how I feel. So a lot of the times I'll be driving and I'm supposed to have phone calls and I'll smoke, I'll get really high and I'll hear a beat and all of a sudden that's what I have to do. And I'll just write while I drive. A lot of my songs are actually written on notes on my phone, hitting the just repeat over again on the instrumental on long drives and stuff.

3:42:36SpeakerBut you can't lose the opportunity if you get that intense energy of creation coming. Especially if you're, you know, if you're in a musical collaboration, like I've always said that you can't, you can't make music with people that you can't communicate with. And like, like think about just the sort of like the situation where like if a guy is screwing your woman, you can't make music with that guy, right?

3:43:05SpeakerBecause you have to be in a place where you're, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:43:31SpeakerWith other people in a collaboration and that's where the gestalt thing comes into play because what you're doing now is bigger than just the individual players themselves, right? And so there's this communication that happens Among musicians, when you're playing in a small group and everyone's kind of on that same kind of wavelength, it's really exciting when that happens. And I think everyone in the ensemble recognizes it and it doesn't always happen, right?

3:44:04SpeakerBut I think cannabis can help you get there.

3:44:08BubblemanAbsolutely. It can also help you recognize it while you're watching and it's happening.

3:44:13Etienne FontanWell, it also can get you together to synchronize, right? My band used to practice high. I used to have a band called Northern Lights No. 5, so that when we played high, we were ready for it, right? You can't practice and then go play high. No. If you're playing and you're doing it right... You're hitting a level sometimes, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, musicians, who has not astral projected while they're playing live, literally left their body, left their being, and you're just holding some spiritual ground to be there, but that connection is so solid.

3:44:47Etienne FontanAnybody else? If you study for the test.

3:44:49SpeakerYeah. Not everyone understands music. It's a spiritual thing. Yeah. Well, closing my eyes, that is powerful. That's well said. If you study for the test stone, you better take the test high, right?

3:45:05NickYes. Very true.

3:45:08BubblemanIt's very true. I don't know what happened, man. I really blew that taste. Well, did you get, did you, did you get super high before you took it? Oh, that was the problem. I have to admit, I did take tests very high and did fine on them, but maybe not for everyone.

3:45:28SpeakerThat's important.

3:45:31Etienne FontanThey told us exactly what Mark said. If you study high, you better take the test high. And that was my TA in my English 101. I was like, oh, this is a life hack. I had no idea how much it was a life hack I was learning. Probably the most, the best lesson I ever learned in college.

3:45:53BubblemanShit, eh? I like that, dude. I like that a lot.

3:46:01Etienne FontanWell, I can't tell you how many times, but we would be like, drummer would be off, bass player would be off, then let's get, take a break, smoke a joint, and next thing you know, you're back all in sync. Have that happen?

3:46:13SpeakerRecording, when you're in the studio trying to record your music, you guys gotta be, it's like taking a test high. You jam high, you create high, you find your verses and your choruses, you find the structure sometimes high because you're open in that realm, that space that cannabis can help take you. And playing long enough, you eventually can communicate telepathically. I've also experienced this with With other, you know, other teachers.

3:46:44SpeakerAnd that's really important when you build that rapport. Our group has been playing every week and weekend since 2010. So going on 15 years and you get to a point where there's such a relationship. You know, cannabis kind of keeps that new. And listening to music, too, I was thinking about that, too, with the DJs on the panel. You know, ganja can get you to this place where you can hear different things almost every time.

3:47:12SpeakerYou can listen to the same album, same record, and there's still something kind of new there sometimes. And it's like there's that beautiful, you know, infinity of possibilities and novelty that...

3:47:27BubblemanConja helps with. Well, I'm sure as appreciators of music, lovers of music and cannabis, each and every one of you have had the experience where you've wanted to, you've been turning someone on to a song and you want them to focus on it as much as you're focusing on it and really hear what that song is. So what I would ask each and every one of you will go through the list.

3:47:48BubblemanIs to what is that song that you would like to turn on the people that are listening to the podcast today for you? And I don't mind going first. Something that you just, it's like an exciting jam or it's an incredible guitar riff or it's an amazing bass or drum beat or... You know, it could be vocals. It could be whatever it is that you would just love for our audience to hear.

3:48:16BubblemanIf you had your one song, I'm going to say for me, I'm going to go. And this is mainly because these are the most recent sort of musical experiences I've been happening. I've gone down this Harry Mack rabbit hole, this freestyle rapper guy that's just mind bending on every level. And I think I was going to say Omegle 18, but what I will say is Rap Coltrane.

3:48:43BubblemanI think it's his rap soliloquies. It's called Rap Coltrane. And the two songs are called, well, one is Rap Coltrane and the other is Snake Eyes. And it's just a YouTube video. Go watch that after you take a big rip. Maybe put the closed captions on, even though he's very clear. You'll want to read the words while he's saying them. And let me know what you think in the comment sections of the video.

3:49:08BubblemanI'm going to pass it on to Dan, and he's going to let you know what song does it for him and that he'd really love you to listen to with intent focus. Go ahead, Dan.

3:49:18SpeakerHey, wow. Well, there's a lot of stuff. I'm weird with music. When I hear something I like, I like to listen to it on repeat a lot because you do get a different expression of it every time. But honestly, I'm going to say I would like for you to listen to my music. You know, everything that I that I put out is it's a true story. It's all autobiographical and it's pretty deep.

3:49:40SpeakerAnd, you know, I've only shared it just recently. So if you wanted to check it out, you go to, you know, Bandcamp and just search Rebel Grown, Danny Hustle, Mixtape Volume One by Rebel Grown. It's produced by my friend Tasso, who's an incredible guitarist. DJ and international DJ and producers toured all over the world in six continents, tours half, two thirds out of the year. He's really influential in the development of juke or footwork, which is a whole kind of subgenre of electronic music and hip hop that comes out of Chicago, the whole tech life thing.

3:50:15SpeakerAnd so it's dope. What song would I would say is the illest one would probably be The fourth song. But that would be dope if anybody wants to check it out. And I'm curious to see what people think of it. Awesome, dude. Thank you.

3:50:32BubblemanHow about Christopher Carr?

3:50:36SpeakerHey, yeah, give thanks. This is my first time on Hash Church. It's a pleasure to connect with all of you, especially on such an intimate and inspiring topic. Dan, I like that you set the tone, bro, because I think, yeah, we're here to big ups the fresh originals. Thanks and praises by Ancestry, T-R-E-E. It's the name of the album, 2024 release. We have Natalie Rise on Wise, Humble, and Strong.

3:51:01SpeakerThat's a unique track. And then the title track, Thanks and Praises, is an homage to Ganja, Ganja Ma. So always, always a pleasure to connect with like minds and like spirits and big ups, big ups. I love Sensimia with Black Uhuru. That's another track that fires me up. So thank you all.

3:51:25BubblemanSkunk Man, Sam, how about you, buddy?

3:51:30SpeakerWell, I think one of my favorite one is Positive Herb by Nairola. I'm floating high. Can't you see my eyes? I'm red, red, red. Tapping design. I'm narrowing high in my head, head, head. Homie skunk herb hit my brain. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But people listen to it. It's pretty cool.

3:52:02BubblemanI like it. I think from now on, everyone else is going to also have to perform their favorite song. So I think Sam just set the tone there. Thank you, Sam, for being you.

3:52:12SpeakerNext time I'll try and rap it.

3:52:16BubblemanNo problem, man. We'll take it from you. Dr. Mark, I know you've got a whole schwack of songs, but there's got to be one that's just like, is it like a standing on the moon? Is it some old blues? What is it? Some bluegrass?

3:52:32SpeakerWell, since this is Hash Church and it's all about pain smoking, our favorite thing, why don't we use... Blaze on, right? So climb that hill, stay on your feet, scramble from your footing when it gets too steep. You're on the highway now with higher hopes. While all around are rolling eggs with living yolks. You never get too sad. You never get too blue. It must be all those chemtrails raining down on you.

3:52:59SpeakerThe justice of the peace won't have it anymore. They just took the covers off the justice of war. You got your night shades on and your first days gone. Now the band plays on. You got more light. Blaze on. So blaze on.

3:53:15BubblemanNice, dude. Fish. That's awesome, dude. I was just joking, but fuck, way to set the bar even higher, Dr. Mark. How about Nick Riley?

3:53:27NickYeah, I don't know if I can live up to that bar. I'm the drummer in all the musical projects I'm in, so I don't know if you'll get some singing out of me, but... You're the drummer. The... I don't know. I'm trying to think about one, but just a song that's really hit me, you know, kind of out of nowhere is a song called Change by Big Thief.

3:53:52NickI don't know. It's one of those like every year I go back to it. You're talking about like marking moments in time and things like that. And I'm a real big fan of that. Same as Dan, too. Just like listening to something over and over and over. I used to pick a record of the year and every morning doing tarps, I would listen to that same record over and over every morning.

3:54:11NickI kind of like set this little moment in time for the year. So but yeah, that song has become almost like a yearly mark for me to listen to on repeat for a while.

3:54:21BubblemanSo beautiful. Well, thanks for sharing, man. I'm going to check it out for sure. How about Morning Glory?

3:54:28SpeakerOh, boy. As a DJ with ADHD, I have so many songs on my mind right now. Well, I'm going to have to, I've been thinking about it as well as been hearing everyone's inputs. It's not going to have any bars because it's a little more modern, but I'm going to say a song that I'm probably choosing because I've been playing it every time I've been agitating the biomass to make hash with this track.

3:54:50SpeakerIt's called Love Rocket by L.S. Dream.

3:54:57BubblemanExcellent. I just wrote that down. I'm going to check that out for sure. A little hash making music, hey?

3:55:03SpeakerYes.

3:55:05BubblemanAbsolutely. Okay. So, but as a DJ, do you have, are you playing songs as a DJ? Like, I guess it's really, I'm not a musician or a DJ, but I imagine there's times where you're playing music for yourself and that there's times where you're playing music for your audience.

3:55:22SpeakerExactly. One thing I love about when I DJ a lot of like quote unquote underground scenes is personally one of my favorite genres to mix is house music. But I also realize that not everyone loves that type of music. So one thing I've been doing is on my quest to find new tracks. I love finding like these Bay Area deep house style tracks that have like covers of 90 lyrics.

3:55:52Speaker90s hip hop lyrics are kind of like it's getting the vibe of modern, but bringing you back when you hear these voices. Nostalgic vibes.

3:56:03BubblemanRight, right. Okay, cool. Awesome. Well, I love it. How about are you? Are you? Can you talk Kazan? In the middle of you got a tune for us one that's special one that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Special tune you want to share with everyone? Could be a tune that you wrote, could be a tune that you just like.

3:56:28SpeakerThere's one particular song I always go back to. It's called In the Picture on the Wall.

3:56:36Mendo DopesIn my house. There's a picture on the wall, Rastafari sit upon his throne.

3:56:46SpeakerYeah, man, by Visionaries, that is, that is, I always go back to that tune, you know? So that's a straight up...

3:56:55BubblemanThanks for sharing. I'm going to try to find all of these tunes and then put them in a link in the description so that at the end of this video, the people that made it all the way through can be like, all right, now you get to hear kind of everyone's little, I'm going to create a little playlist of this group of songs that we have here.

3:57:12BubblemanWe still have Etienne Fontaine and Caleb Chen to go through. So Etienne, if you want to go next, tell us a song.

3:57:22Etienne FontanWell, I like the instrumental muggles. I'm from New Orleans, so it's from Louis Armstrong back in the 20s. But if I had to choose one that always gets me up and going, Cab Calloway's Reefer Man.

3:57:37SpeakerHave you ever met that funny reefer man?

3:57:41Etienne FontanYeah, I love that song. It's just it's I've always loved upbeat songs. And it was one of those earlier jazz songs. I was like, they're talking about weed. You know, I understood what reefer meant. You know what I'm saying? So that one where when you're feeling up and bumping. Yeah, that one is is definitely one to put on the party.

3:58:01BubblemanLove it, man. Well, last but certainly not least, Caleb Chen, what is your song that you would love for people to listen to here to finalize? I guess we missed Mojave. Mojave's in the chat, so I'll get him to give his just through the chat and anyone else, Colin, and anyone else that may have left already. But in the meantime, Caleb, hit us with your song.

3:58:24SpeakerReally quick, Caleb, sorry for interrupting. I want to change my answer. My favorite song would be We Are the World.

3:58:38BubblemanAll the world already added it. I'll put them both up, Dan. Go ahead, Caleb.

3:58:46Christopher CarrSong I want to share with everyone is called Haze by Jackie Chan. One of my favorite songs about a specific cultivar. Fun listen, you know, musically, some people might not find it off the par, but, you know, listen to the lyrics.

3:59:03BubblemanYeah, dude, that's what we'll be doing. We'll be listening to the lyrics. So I may reach out to each and every one of you depending on how well I did with the spelling of your band's name or the song's name or the artist's name. Sometimes if you make a mistake, suddenly you can't find... Maybe, Dr. Mark, you will want a specific version of Blaze up on because it's Phish and I don't know if you want the album version or if you want some ridiculous like...

3:59:34Bubbleman2023. I kind of figured you would. So and anyone else that has a very specific version of the track that they just mentioned, I should also mention Stevie Ray Vaughan, Texas Floodin is just absolutely insane. If you just don't want to, if you want your brain to explode and and Watch this man play the guitar on a live version. Find a live version. But in the meantime, I want to thank everyone for coming out as far as Jamaica to Humboldt to Vermont to British Columbia, where I am right now.

4:00:15BubblemanI appreciate everyone that's been watching all morning. We've had a big group of people with us, over 300 people that have watched for the last four hours as we've been hanging out and shooting the shit and talking about music and cannabis and the sort of connection between those two things, which is the sort of theme for this week's show. All of us have a deep appreciation for both cannabis and music.

4:00:37BubblemanAnd I liked how there was sort of reggae and there was DJ music and there was, you know, Grateful Dead. I want to shout out DJ Hard Hitta too. He bounced, but we'll get a track from him as well. I feel like it might be a Scarface track, but we'll see what happens. I'll throw one in there anyway, because we talked about it. And yeah, hopefully we can do this again one of these days soon.

4:01:00BubblemanCatch up with all of you. I want to thank you for coming out and Caleb for helping me organize the show. The show was his idea. He is the co-host today and we'll definitely get him back as well. In the meantime, what I would say, as I always say, may the full melt bless your bowls.